[0:02] >>> good evening.

[0:05] this is the march

[0:06] 19th meeting of the planning and zoning

[0:07] commission. The time is 6:00. Our

[0:11] first order of business is to

[0:13] recess into work session while we

[0:14] review

[0:17] the cases and then we'll come out

[0:20] before you as a reconveneience of

[0:23] the general session at 6:30. So

[0:24] with that, I'll adjourn into the work session.

[1:50] >>> the

[1:53] time is

[1:55] 04, and we are convening into the

[1:56] work session. We'll

[1:59] start with chairman edmund

[2:02] haas and vice chair sue

[2:04] blankenship.

[2:05] >> present. >> ed maurer

[2:06] will

[2:08] be away today.

[2:11] john dobmeier, and

[2:14] kent hafemann.

[2:16] did I get it right?

[2:17] >> present. ?

[2:18] samit patel is not here. I understand

[2:20] he's on the way, but

[2:23] he's not here yet and cindy bishop.

[2:25] is she on the line?

[2:26] >> she'll be joining

[2:28] us virtually. Okay, mary, if you would

[2:29] introduce staff and then we'll

[2:32] read the

[2:35] cases? ? Sure. Senior

[2:38] planner, matt

[2:41] steer services administrator. [ inaudible ]

[2:47] she's a

[2:49] full engineer. He's graduated. Yeah.

[2:56] city attorney

[2:57] bob hager and miss katie mcgee, our secretary.

[3:02] >> all right.

[3:05] >> what do we have tonight?

[3:11] >> sure. So I'll

[3:14] let matt start.

[3:15] >> okay.

[3:17] yeah. Item number 6 is

[3:20] the benge legacy addition. They're

[3:23] basically demoing residents on southwestern

[3:25] slated for light industrial, zoned

[3:26] for light industrial. They're coming

[3:30] in with a light

[3:31] industrial style building. It's an

[3:34] office warehouse. 4900 square feet and

[3:35] they're meeting all of the requirements

[3:37] and it's straight site plan approval.

[3:39] so not much to.

[3:40] >> wow. >> okay. >> that's weird.

[3:43] >> is this one of those that used to

[3:44] be residential and it's just been

[3:48] hanging out there

[3:51] for a long time?

[3:52] >> correct. And the next case is the minor

[3:53] plat for that property, and in order

[3:54] to

[3:56] get a building permit they need to

[3:57] know

[3:59] it's platted. [ inaudible ]

[4:00] >> that

[4:01] was a very --

[4:03] no.

[4:04] >> just checking. >>

[4:05] and then mary's got the next.

[4:06] >> saving

[4:07] that

[4:09] for me. So

[4:12] item number 8 is --

[4:14] takes place at 145 west town center.

[4:15] it

[4:18] used to be a children's

[4:20] courtyard. So it's one lot, two buildings

[4:21] and two

[4:24] children's courtyards. One is there still.

[4:27] the one on the west end is proposed

[4:30] to convert to a doggie

[4:34] daycare center essentially and we'll

[4:36] convert it to play grounds and convert

[4:39] the inside to play areas,

[4:41] grooming areas as well as kennelling

[4:42] for

[4:45] overnight stays. So

[4:48] we'll have up

[4:51] to 71.

[4:52] >>

[4:54] any comparison

[4:57] with what camp bow wow had? No?

[5:00] >> I don't know. I'm sorry. >>

[5:03] that's all right. So we are

[5:06] asking them to --there are chain

[5:07] link fences right now like on the

[5:09] north and

[5:11] south sides. So we're asking them

[5:12] to --

[5:13] because they were just going to keep

[5:15] it and then replace,

[5:18] like, the vinyl or the fabric mesh

[5:19] stuff that goes on there. We told

[5:21] them

[5:24] we want to see more fence. So I think

[5:26] they'll keep the chain link, but put

[5:27] a board on

[5:28] board fence on the south side, and on

[5:30] the west end there is

[5:32] an existing break wall. So that will

[5:33] remain and

[5:35] the building will act as the other

[5:36] screen on the east.

[5:41] so they share a parking lot. They share

[5:42] a

[5:45] parking. There are about 57 --

[5:48] 55 parking spaces. They're

[5:51] going to share a dumpster,

[5:53] the proposal assigned which complies.

[5:56] landscaping, no real changes other than

[5:57] we ask

[6:00] them to go through and show them the

[6:02] original landscape plan just to go

[6:03] through and see if,

[6:06] you know, over time stuff dies to

[6:07] go

[6:09] back in other places and

[6:12] that is the condition. This one is

[6:14] one of the itemsitems where we did get

[6:18] a petition from neighbors

[6:21] who are in opposition of it.

[6:22] >> do

[6:23] you

[6:24] want me to pass these down?

[6:25] >> yeah.

[6:27] so

[6:29] I've made, like, a summary of the names

[6:30] and

[6:33] their concerns.

[6:36] essentially it's noise, traffic,

[6:38] odor, sanitation, quality of life,

[6:39] decrease in

[6:42] property values, and I have the actual

[6:44] ones here if you guys want to take

[6:45] a look

[6:48] at that.

[6:51] >> so traffic --their concern

[6:53] is more traffic over a day care?

[6:54] >> yeah.

[7:03] >> that's yours.

[7:09] [ inaudible ]

[7:15] >> these

[7:18] addressesaddresses within the

[7:21] 200 beats. So there should

[7:23] be a checklist there that show you

[7:24] between the 200

[7:26] feet or the 800 feet. So the orange,

[7:27] if they sign

[7:30] a petition and then the red

[7:33] is if they're within

[7:36] 200 feet. Sorry.

[7:39] but a 200-foot column

[7:42] and they signed the petition and sent

[7:44] him a letter and I tried toto check of

[7:48] the boxes there. There

[7:51] were some additional petitions, but

[7:54] they just sent me, like, you

[7:57] know when

[8:00] they send someone an email and it's

[8:06] expand it and it's pixelated

[8:08] and that's what I got. I got a hold

[8:09] of someone who will send me the

[8:12] actual papers because

[8:15] I couldn't read.

[8:16] >> someone copy/pasted

[8:17] something. That's usually what happens when

[8:18] it gets pixelated like

[8:21] that.

[8:22] >> yeah. >> between platforms.

[8:24] >> so in terms

[8:27] of

[8:29] conditions, the only condition was

[8:30] landscaping

[8:33] on our side.

[8:36] one thing you may want to ask is

[8:39] in terms

[8:42] of time --

[8:44] operation time and time when you have

[8:46] the dogs outside

[8:49] so they don't go --you know, up

[8:51] to midnight. And how they deal with waste.

[8:54] so there is a dumpster and they plan

[8:55] to

[8:57] empty it.

[8:58] >> double bag it. If double

[8:59] bag it.

[9:01] >> just like

[9:03] diapers, right? I know camp bow wow,

[9:04] I

[9:05] think they're open until 7:00 and

[9:10] then

[9:13] dogtopia is open until 10:00.

[9:16] >> I

[9:19] said I --[ inaudible ]

[9:20] >>

[9:21] there's another one right up here.

[9:22] >> they close

[9:25] at 7:00. That might be this. Dog day out.

[9:27] dog's day out? Something like that.

[9:28] it's

[9:31] right up here by all

[9:33] the liquor stores. [ laughter ]

[9:34] >>

[9:35] right next

[9:36] door to the liquor store? You know

[9:37] that area well.

[9:40] >> I do, indeed. >> he's got a dog

[9:41] in there.

[9:42] >> they're the only ones

[9:43] that can cut my

[9:45] dog's nails. I won't do it.

[9:46] >> what's

[9:47] going

[9:49] on behind? There's a

[9:52] residential neighborhood. Right

[9:54] behind it, what is that in is that

[9:55] an

[9:57] oversized garage? Is that part of

[9:58] that same lot?

[10:00] >> the montessori academy? >> no,

[10:03] no, no. Behind it. To the west.

[10:04] >>

[10:05] oh, to

[10:07] that tied to that one

[10:09] residential lot? I couldn't tell if it

[10:10] was or not

[10:13] when I

[10:16] drove it. It would be right over

[10:17] here. It would be right this structure

[10:19] right

[10:21] there because this is the house. At

[10:22] first I thought it

[10:25] was some

[10:27] kind of lift station or something.

[10:28] >>

[10:31] think it's just a big wall for

[10:34] a house because on the --

[10:36] >> I'll pull it up. You guys move

[10:37] on or

[10:40] go on.

[10:41] >> it's just a house.

[10:43] a big lot.

[10:44] >> yeah. There's a house

[10:45] and an oversized garage there or something.

[10:46] okay.

[10:49] >> okay. So I'm going to keep

[10:52] trucking along here.

[10:55] next item is item 9,

[10:56] samaritan's purse.

[10:57] >> on the last

[10:58] one, did you guys want to

[11:00] do that one first or no?

[11:01] >> okay.

[11:04] >> gotcha. >> so item 9

[11:07] is samaritan's purse, back in 2018,

[11:10] if you recall, they bought

[11:13] a piece of

[11:16] land from fellowship church and

[11:18] constructed an office warehouse building.

[11:19] so essentially

[11:22] they use that their main --like

[11:24] in november when they have people

[11:25] come in and they

[11:28] do the boxes that they hand out and distribute.

[11:31] so since then, they've

[11:34] been looking for an

[11:37] areaarea build for their I.t.

[11:40] people. So we've been working

[11:42] withwith and what they're proposing

[11:43] is they're going to

[11:45] take out a piece of the parking lot

[11:46] that's to the

[11:49] north, build a three-story building

[11:50] and

[11:52] then they're buying a portion of

[11:54] land to the south that's just in front of

[11:55] the

[11:57] gas wall and make up for the parking

[11:58] that

[12:01] they're taking out. So it will

[12:04] be a

[12:07] three-story, first floor

[12:10] for, like,

[12:13] for staff. The large break room, staff

[12:15] devotions, guest training and second

[12:16] floor for their

[12:18] I.t. People and the third floor is

[12:19] for

[12:22] future growth. So the building will

[12:23] be

[12:25] mainly brick. Two different

[12:28] types with some stucco.

[12:29] they're showing a sign on the building,

[12:31] but that's

[12:34] for illustrative purposes.

[12:35] >> stucco --

[12:37] 20%?

[12:38] >> that's

[12:39] an old --[ inaudible ] [ laughter ]

[12:40] >> we used

[12:43] to do that. Efis?

[12:46] we're not doing efis here.

[12:48] >> like I said they're taking trees

[12:49] out for the south

[12:51] and they are asking for a waiver of

[12:52] the

[12:54] tree fees and that will be going to

[12:55] city council

[12:58] as

[13:01] part of their

[13:02] dus correction. Discussion.

[13:03] >> based

[13:04] on what?

[13:05] >> because they're

[13:07] good samaritans. Because they're

[13:09] nonprofit. I've done the christmas boxes.

[13:10] we've

[13:12] been doing it for the last five years.

[13:13] it is an

[13:16] incredible event. It really is.

[13:17] >> there

[13:18] are people from all

[13:19] over the country.

[13:20] >> it

[13:21] doesn't mean they can't comply with

[13:22] our

[13:24] requirements.

[13:25] >> that's something council can

[13:26] look at. Council

[13:28] did not approve the permit the last

[13:29] time when they

[13:31] built the

[13:33] building.

[13:34] >> how much are their fees?

[13:35] we are

[13:36] still working on that and somewhere in the

[13:37] range of

[13:40] 200,000. Somewhere

[13:42] around there. We're still finalizing

[13:43] numbers. So the

[13:44] building --they're building the new

[13:46] building and they'll have a

[13:48] little outdoor area with a pergola and that's

[13:49] what they're planning on doing.

[13:55] there were no letters

[13:58] in opposition. So it's pretty standard

[14:01] comments, additional

[14:04] comments

[14:07] for review.

[14:10] these

[14:13] the project plant --we are

[14:16] requesting for staff to administratively

[14:18] approve any change in landscaping,

[14:19] because there is

[14:22] a big 30-foot gas easement that

[14:25] runs along the creek view, just if

[14:26] we need

[14:28] to maneuver and get the trees on the

[14:29] outside

[14:31] of that easement. One other thing is

[14:33] they did turn in some information for

[14:34] the

[14:37] downstream drainage.

[14:38] so they're still working with coal

[14:43] on finalizing those documents.

[14:46] >> is there a concern? [ inaudible ]

[14:59] >> okay.

[15:05] >> the outside is related

[15:08] to how the calculations were

[15:10] for --not related to this project

[15:14] and it's related to another

[15:17] one. There is a

[15:20] required percentage of site for

[15:22] green space, but then the required

[15:26] number of trees they've

[15:29] calculated based on what

[15:31] is required of the site not of what

[15:33] they've actually provided and I've

[15:35] always

[15:38] understood that it's

[15:41] 10% --or 1x% of

[15:43] whatever is provided and not necessarily what

[15:44] is

[15:45] originally required of this site if

[15:47] that

[15:49] makes sense? So the site required,

[15:50] and

[15:51] I'm just pulling numbers, 400 square

[15:54] feet of green space.

[15:55] >> is that non-

[15:56] vehicular landscaping?

[15:58] >> non-vehicular landscaping. >> okay.

[15:59] and only

[16:02] two trees were required

[16:05] based on that 4 00, but

[16:08] they've actually provided

[16:11] 2400 square feet, falling

[16:14] back to only two were

[16:17] required because that's

[16:20] what's required of the 4 00, but I

[16:22] forget what the percentage is and it's

[16:23] not calculated from

[16:26] the 24.

[16:27] >> what case are you

[16:32] referring to?

[16:33] >>

[16:35] the

[16:38] samaritan's purse --

[16:41] >> sorry.

[16:42] >> sorry I'm late, but a procedural

[16:44] question, and again,

[16:46] I don't know if I should ask it in here

[16:47] or out there

[16:50] how it's calculated. I've

[16:53] always done it that if I'm

[16:55] provided 2400 --

[16:56] >> we can double-

[16:57] check any just make sure,

[16:59] you know? I'll pull up the

[17:01] landscape summary table and they were

[17:02] willing to

[17:04] add some additional landscaping right next to

[17:05] the building

[17:08] which qualifies non-vehicular

[17:09] landscaping, and they were still working

[17:11] through whether or not to pave that

[17:12] area where the generator was going to

[17:14] be

[17:16] located.

[17:17] >> yeah. >> so I think that's

[17:18] where they can provide that.

[17:19] >> yeah. We'll take another look.

[17:20] >> yeah. No worries.

[17:23] so

[17:25] item 10 is essentially the plat for

[17:26] that

[17:29] where they're

[17:30] taking that bit to the south adding to

[17:32] the existing lot and

[17:33] then platting the rest of it as a separate lot.

[17:41] and then

[17:44] item 11?

[17:45] >> okay. So that's the

[17:46] 767 west main. That's the mixed use

[17:47] development down

[17:50] in old town right across the

[17:52] street from the old town plaza, the

[17:53] open

[17:56] space down there.

[17:59] so

[18:02] in august 2022 we approved

[18:04] the mixed-use project that had residential on the

[18:07] second floor and then retail on the

[18:11] first floor. They came

[18:14] back in 2023. You guys remember the

[18:17] dumpster case where it was too close?

[18:20] >> yeah. >> well, so they

[18:22] added restaurant uses to be allowed on

[18:23] the

[18:24] first floor. So what they're doing

[18:26] this time is they're coming

[18:29] back and they haven't been

[18:31] successful marketing to a restaurant

[18:32] or retail users

[18:34] and they're proposing professional

[18:35] office or medical office

[18:38] uses, and

[18:41] so in order to

[18:44] create an active, old town

[18:47] main street area down there we

[18:50] need retail or restaurant uses that

[18:51] are

[18:53] open in the evenings and on the weekends,

[18:54] and

[18:56] this, if they do medical office

[18:59] or professional office probably wouldn't

[19:02] be, and so --you know,

[19:05] our recommendation is

[19:08] for denial. So --

[19:11] that's what it is.

[19:14] >> is there a requirement around the

[19:15] retail to

[19:17] be open? Like the farmers market is

[19:18] open

[19:20] saturday

[19:23] morning

[19:26] and --

[19:29] we've not stipulated hours

[19:31] of operation for those businesses.

[19:32] >> it seems like

[19:35] a missed opportunity.

[19:36] >> here's the letter requesting the rezoning.

[19:44] so,

[19:46] anyway, that's what it is. You don't have

[19:50] to

[19:53] approve it. So --

[19:54] >>

[19:55] question, though. If a professional

[19:56] office or medical

[19:59] office were allowed to

[20:02] go in, the parking requirement is stricter.

[20:03] >>

[20:05] no, it's not stricter because

[20:08] it's already platted for

[20:11] restaurant.

[20:12] >> one to one for medical

[20:14] office.

[20:15] >> okay. >> so, yeah, we did

[20:16] look

[20:17] through that. It's just the argument's

[20:18] going to be is

[20:20] the other

[20:22] uses around this property are changing,

[20:23] right?

[20:26] so we've had summer which changed

[20:29] to dodi's which was restaurant use

[20:32] which then changed to tangerine salon which

[20:33] is a

[20:36] personal service or kind of

[20:39] a retail type --but

[20:40] then the property to the south of

[20:42] her is just a professional

[20:44] office that is probably only open on

[20:45] the

[20:48] weekdays from 8:00 to 5:00 and it's

[20:51] an investment --money

[20:52] matters, I think, is the name of it.

[20:54] then there's

[20:56] another business on that same size

[20:57] are side.

[21:00] >> a cupcake place -->> cupcake

[21:03] is in her --

[21:04] >> space.

[21:06] >> the arts and

[21:09] cakery and

[21:10] then shine directly in the building

[21:12] north and that's

[21:13] a mixed-use development so that's

[21:15] retail and them north of that

[21:17] is another financial place which is

[21:19] a professional office. So I think

[21:21] the argument's going

[21:23] to be these other people are changing,

[21:24] why

[21:27] won't you let me? And so, specifically,

[21:29] when we wrote this mixed use development

[21:30] we wanted

[21:33] to activate the area. So we

[21:35] wrote retail on the first floor. So

[21:38] that's why we can't support. We as in staff.

[21:45] that concludes my

[21:51] remarks. [ laughter ] is it a

[21:53] zoning request change. So it's just

[21:54] to add those

[21:56] two additional uses. She would still

[21:57] market it

[21:59] as retail or restaurant, but she would

[22:02] also be available to market it as to those other

[22:03] folks.

[22:12] item number 12 is the shops

[22:14] at sandy lake. So this is the piece

[22:15] that

[22:18] is on sandy

[22:21] lake just

[22:24] north upon

[22:26] manor and express. So this was part

[22:30] of an original 29-

[22:31] acre development where everything kind

[22:33] of along sandy lake

[22:36] was some kind of

[22:38] commercial owe retail and then in

[22:39] from

[22:42] that was arbor

[22:45] manor's 73-year --whatever,

[22:47] residential lot. So this is essentially

[22:48] the last

[22:51] commercial piece to be

[22:54] developed. So originally,

[22:57] the plan showed

[23:00] two buildings on sandy lake with

[23:03] parking in the back backing up

[23:05] to the residential. What they're proposing

[23:06] is

[23:08] the building towards the back with

[23:09] the

[23:11] majority of the parking out front.

[23:15] so trying to take that parking lot to the

[23:18] front towards the

[23:20] street versus back where the residential

[23:21] stuff is.

[23:23] in addition, kind of the differences

[23:24] I'm going

[23:27] to point out on screen is that

[23:30] the original p.d. Showed not only

[23:32] an entrance off of sandy lake, but

[23:33] also a

[23:36] drive out to the

[23:39] hoa lot. Arbor manor has

[23:41] an entrance or exit out there. So

[23:42] what they're proposing

[23:45] is they're going

[23:47] to share the drive that exists like on

[23:48] the

[23:50] verizon building next door, and then

[23:54] have another entrance/exit out

[23:57] front on sandy lake with no connection to

[24:00] the hoa lot. So those are

[24:02] kind of, like, the bigger differences.

[24:03] and

[24:06] there's an

[24:08] existing brick wall that arbor manor

[24:09] has for

[24:12] those houses in that area. One of the other

[24:13] things

[24:15] when we

[24:17] talked to them because originally they

[24:18] had their trash

[24:20] cans at the back, right? So we're

[24:21] told no,

[24:24] you need to move them off

[24:27] further into the parking lot

[24:30] or something, but like, off of the

[24:31] residential because we know that will

[24:33] be an issue. So this one is one

[24:36] building with a patio. They're looking

[24:39] at retail, medical and restaurant uses.

[24:40] one of

[24:42] the conditions is like the patio

[24:45] is only 555 square feet, but that

[24:46] we

[24:48] include that as part of their

[24:50] parking as we've done with other restaurants.

[24:51] so

[24:53] we're hoping to change that in an

[24:54] ordinance where we

[24:57] don't have to ask it as a condition

[25:00] anymore, but anything over 500

[25:03] you have to park.

[25:06] one of the other things that we're

[25:07] looking at with

[25:09] this one is we

[25:12] ask them

[25:15] to put

[25:17] additional screening or vegetation in

[25:18] the

[25:21] back.

[25:24] so they're planting trees, shrubs,

[25:26] whatever they may be, really closer

[25:27] to where the parking lot

[25:30] hit the --the

[25:33] back end of the lot to act

[25:35] as an additional screening device

[25:36] and along with the

[25:39] screening while it's there. They're trying

[25:40] to

[25:42] save trees along

[25:45] the eastern side where it kind of

[25:46] lines with

[25:48] the entryway,

[25:50] but essentially, you know, they'll

[25:51] be planting other

[25:54] trees within the site and

[25:57] the majority of trees that are

[26:00] there will be gone.

[26:03] this one also had a

[26:06] lot of people

[26:09] sending notices. So we sent out

[26:12] 26 within 200 feet and we got ten

[26:13] back

[26:15] in opposition and another

[26:18] 120 courtesy notices and we got five

[26:19] back

[26:21] in

[26:24] opposition. Essentially,

[26:27] here's the other one.

[26:30] the concernsconcerns traffic and

[26:33] they're saying that it's hard to turn in and

[26:36] out of

[26:40] sandy lake. Loss of green space.

[26:43] quality of life, noise.

[26:46] >>

[26:49] one more?

[26:50] >> sorry.

[26:51] lots of paper tonight, and if you

[26:52] want to

[26:55] see the actual notices, I've got

[26:58] them here. We can hand

[27:00] them out. Essentially the conditions

[27:04] that we're looking for

[27:07] is for the 500

[27:09] square feet patio area that they'll have to update the

[27:13] drainage analysis toto

[27:15] staff comments. Any signage that they're

[27:17] proposing, they just have a monument

[27:19] sign, but any

[27:22] wall sign would have to do with

[27:25] city requirements and

[27:28] they have to

[27:31] make a --[ inaudible ]

[27:32] >> so

[27:33] it's already going in the p.d. As a

[27:34] commercial lot.

[27:36] >> right. Originally, they had two

[27:37] buildings and they're going

[27:38] with one building and kind of doing

[27:40] a flip-flop of

[27:41] what's there and it's the restaurant --

[27:43] >> the

[27:45] argument, the loss of green space, they

[27:48] can build it in green space anyway.

[27:49] >>

[27:52] they're already entitled.

[27:53] >>

[27:54] they're already entitled.

[27:55] >> yes.

[27:56] how long will it affect the

[27:58] quality of life?

[28:01] it's zoned or any nuances

[28:04] to their request.

[28:06] >> right. So --you understand that.

[28:09] I understand understand that, but

[28:10] when you

[28:11] see green space that's there and you

[28:13] move in,

[28:15] and you've been living there and now

[28:16] all of

[28:19] a suddensudden sign goes up --

[28:20] >>

[28:22] and the hoa is proposing to buy

[28:25] it so they can keep the green space?

[28:28] >> not

[28:31] to my knowledge.

[28:34] [ laughter ]

[28:35] >> this is fairly common,

[28:36] so --

[28:37] >> I'm just verifying. >> yeah.

[28:40] if you read some of the

[28:43] stuff it's spot zoning. It's not

[28:45] spot zoning. It's already been planned

[28:46] for

[28:48] that. [ inaudible ]

[28:49] >> so they're

[28:50] just coming in

[28:51] with a detailed plan to show you what

[28:52] they want to do.

[28:53] >> right.

[28:55] >> and they're adding restaurant use,

[28:58] what they want to do. So --

[29:01] >> when 151 came in --

[29:03] >> no drive through. >> there were

[29:04] the

[29:05] same arguments about the removal of

[29:07] the trees. Earn seems to

[29:10] forget that the removal of the trees for

[29:11] the

[29:13] development itself.

[29:14] >> right. >> the

[29:15] whole

[29:16] thing was --

[29:17] >> green space. >> it was heavily wooded.

[29:18] yeah.

[29:22] >> allall right. I do have a concern

[29:25] about

[29:27] increased traffic. We want to avoid

[29:28] cars making left turns.

[29:31] >> there's a

[29:33] left-turn bay.

[29:34] >> I'm around there

[29:37] all of the time

[29:39] because sprouts is on the other side.

[29:40] I

[29:42] appreciate them coming over to the

[29:43] verizon

[29:44] bank because that's where the curb

[29:46] cut is, and you'll

[29:48] be able to make a left turn.

[29:49] >> yeah.

[29:50] >> I know it

[29:52] can be a lot --

[29:53] >> increased. >> there

[29:54] will be a lot of people trying to go

[29:55] all of the

[29:56] way across into the turn lane to make a u-turn.

[30:01] >> yeah. Yeah. >>

[30:04] so

[30:06] that's goinggoing fall within the

[30:07] purview of

[30:08] the potential signal.

[30:09] >> everyone will go

[30:10] right out here to hit the

[30:12] turn lane right away and make the

[30:13] u-turn.

[30:14] >>

[30:15] or they will come out here.

[30:16] >> that's what

[30:17] the smart

[30:19] people would do. [ laughter ]

[30:20] >> I

[30:21] mean,

[30:22] it happens in every direction.

[30:23] >> yeah.

[30:24] >>

[30:25] because we're so close to the

[30:28] intersection to

[30:30] come around that way.

[30:31] >> once they

[30:32] go out the wrong way the

[30:33] first time then the next time they'll get

[30:34] it figured out, right?

[30:35] >> yeah.

[30:40] >> you know --

[30:43] typically, you know, I would think

[30:46] if you're having restaurants or office

[30:49] or

[30:52] retail,

[30:54] whatever, later in the not later in

[30:55] the

[30:58] day, but 9:00 or whatever, I think

[31:00] most people if you're going to work

[31:01] you leave

[31:04] at 7:00, 8:00?

[31:05] >> you're talking if

[31:07] it conflicts with our manor?

[31:10] >> I'm just saying, you know -->>

[31:13] are they going to wall that on arbor manor?

[31:16] >> it's already walled. >> oh,

[31:17] it's already walled.

[31:18] >> on the south

[31:19] side of this property.

[31:22] >> no. I'm talking about on the east

[31:23] side.

[31:25] >> there's kind of, like,

[31:26] something there. It's commercial.

[31:28] it's zoned commercial.

[31:31] >> trees, because's no

[31:33] actual correction to that drive.

[31:34] >> correct.

[31:35] >> I

[31:37] wonder if it would be better for

[31:40] sani lake if they don't come out of

[31:41] the other end

[31:43] of the property and you won't have

[31:44] to

[31:46] worry about

[31:48] this traffic thing.

[31:49] >> this is arbor

[31:50] manor's

[31:52] ho allot. So they don't own that.

[31:55] >> oh! >> it's on the other side.

[31:56] >> on

[31:58] the east side of the property is arbor

[32:02] manor's ho allot.

[32:03] >> okay. Okay.

[32:04] it's not their lot.

[32:05] >> we don't want

[32:06] a connection to their --

[32:08] >> yeah. Because they don't want

[32:11] people driving through

[32:14] their neighborhood.

[32:17] >> what? >> driving

[32:20] 28 feet.

[32:21] >> item number 12 or --

[32:22] I'm sorry, number 13 is essentially

[32:23] the plat

[32:25] for it basically showing the water

[32:28] easement, drainage easement and fire lane.

[32:35] and let's

[32:37] see, very quickly, I'll tell you about cases --

[32:41] >> really --are they actually

[32:43] requesting a zoning change or amending

[32:46] the plan of record? ? Just a site

[32:47] plan approval.

[32:50] >> no, it is a

[32:53] zoning --

[32:54] >>

[32:56] it was --[ inaudible ]

[32:57] >> pd

[32:58] to pd.

[32:59] >> conceptual pd to detailed

[33:00] pd

[33:02] and they're adding the restaurant use.

[33:05] okay.

[33:06] >> yeah. City

[33:08] council, march 10th, we had the

[33:11] multi-family,

[33:14] 55+ coppell was denied

[33:17] by city council

[33:20] 3-4 or 4-3. It was close.

[33:21] >> one vote.

[33:22] >> what was the main reason there?

[33:26] >> they didn't think it

[33:29] was a good use for that area.

[33:30] >> too

[33:31] tall?

[33:32] >> wow. >> too tall was part of it.

[33:33] density.

[33:38] >> natera, the

[33:39] detailed pd was approved. The true

[33:41] hotel was approved and

[33:44] the str removal at k

[33:45] street was approved and the batch

[33:47] plat was continued to april

[33:50] 28th.

[33:51] >> chris collins' deal was

[33:53] approved, too.

[33:54] >> oh, sorry. >> which

[33:56] one was that one?

[33:57] >> the work.

[33:59] the home-based business.

[34:00] >> the

[34:01] concrete plat, did the applicant request

[34:02] a

[34:03] continuation or did council want that?

[34:08] >>

[34:09] council, they said go back and work on

[34:11] your plans

[34:14] and get something that is --is acceptable

[34:15] for

[34:16] staff for review and then bring it

[34:17] back to us and

[34:20] so I think it was april 24th --

[34:26] 28th.

[34:27] >> I was

[34:29] just wondering if they pulled the

[34:31] december application, and then they

[34:35] reapplied.

[34:36] >> they got

[34:38] a lecture.

[34:39] >>

[34:41] was

[34:43] there any --[ inaudible ]

[34:44] >> I think

[34:45] I'll let --[ inaudible ]

[35:05] >>

[35:06] december, january --[ inaudible ]

[35:11] >> all right. Hey. >> so what

[35:13] was your answer? Did you have a question?

[35:14] >> I

[35:17] asked cole if there was traffic analysis for

[35:18] the

[35:19] site, and he said no, there wasn't

[35:20] because

[35:22] it didn't meet thresholds for an analysis,

[35:23] and then

[35:25] I commented that it was huge that

[35:28] verizon allowed to process the easement

[35:29] to connect on the back

[35:31] end of that site, but I did have a

[35:32] question back

[35:35] on the old town. So that was previously

[35:38] a pd, and it will stay as a pd.

[35:39] >>

[35:41] are you talking the town --

[35:42] >>

[35:44] no, the

[35:46] professional.

[35:47] >> yeah. >> so you're --

[35:48] you're

[35:49] looking at it the from the big picture

[35:50] plan.

[35:52] could there be a challengechallenge

[35:53] a basis for

[35:56] a taking

[35:59] if it's not allowed?

[36:00] >> no. Not at

[36:02] all. They have two

[36:05] apartments rented upstairs

[36:08] and 750.

[36:09] >> if

[36:11] it were to go south,

[36:14] and they still have their existing

[36:15] ability.

[36:16] >> that type of question, I think

[36:17] needs to be in

[36:20] executive session.

[36:21] >> okay.

[36:23] >>

[36:29] consultation --

[36:31] >> we have to say no reasonable use

[36:32] of property and there

[36:35] are restaurants

[36:38] in the area. And they would

[36:41] have a very tough time

[36:43] convincing the judge that they don't

[36:44] have reasonable use.

[36:47] >> okay. Okay. >> all of

[36:50] the units in that line

[36:53] capable of a restaurant?

[36:56] >>

[36:59] I think --

[37:02] >> yeah. Dodi

[37:04] is still capable --

[37:05] >> they have three

[37:06] new buildings.

[37:08] south of

[37:11] dodi is where the financial --

[37:14] >> right. >> they have not been planned

[37:16] for a restaurant so they have to come

[37:17] back through

[37:20] the process. The pad

[37:22] site is next to twisted route is also

[37:23] slated

[37:26] for a restaurant with

[37:29] the city-owned property.

[37:32] >> and any restaurant coming in. >>

[37:35] is that the tamale place?

[37:36] >> no.

[37:38] that's the vacant pad site next to that.

[37:41] >> there are some synergies for those kind

[37:42] of

[37:45] uses out there now.

[37:46] >> yeah.

[37:48] >> so they may have a hard time

[37:51] convincing the council and

[37:52] they're just sitting there watching.

[37:54] >> yeah.

[37:57] and I know

[37:59] it's our vision to create an active

[38:02] old town. So we can't take away the

[38:06] evening and weekend traffic.

[38:09] >> it's come a long way since

[38:12] the

[38:13] carter track. [ laughter ]

[38:14] >> and it

[38:15] was a very

[38:17] bad feel.

[38:18] >> it was. I remember being

[38:19] out there

[38:20] with soccer and baseball. Any other

[38:21] questions

[38:23] of staff on cases? Okay. With that,

[38:24] I'll

[38:26] adjourn the work session at 6:30.

[38:27] a five-minute break before we start?

[38:30] >> yes.

[45:22] >>> okay.

[45:25] good evening. The time is 6:47

[45:27] and the planning and zoning commission

[45:28] is now

[45:30] reconvening into general session.

[45:31] prayer to coming out before you

[45:34] we were in work session reviewing

[45:37] the cases, and we

[45:39] had some audio technical and we are

[45:40] all

[45:43] squared away and ready to go. So with

[45:44] that,

[45:46] item 4 on the agenda is the

[45:48] citizens appearance. Is there anybody

[45:49] here that wants

[45:51] to speak on an item that's not on

[45:55] the

[46:01] agenda? Okay. Seeing none.

[46:03] for the record, we have all of the

[46:04] commission members

[46:06] present and we have cindy bishop virtually tonight.

[46:07] so --

[46:10] [ inaudible ]

[46:11] >> oh,

[46:13] you're right.

[46:16] ed maurer. All right.

[46:19] item 5 on the agenda is for approval of

[46:20] the february

[46:22] 19th meeting. Any comments by the

[46:23] commission

[46:24] or is there a motion by the commission?

[46:28] >> I'll make a motion to approve the --

[46:29] what was

[46:31] the date?

[46:32] >> february 19th?

[46:33] >> february 19th meeting minutes.

[46:34] >> I'll second. >> we

[46:37] have a motion by commissioner

[46:40] dobmeier and a second by

[46:43] commissioner patel. Tammy, would you call

[46:44] the

[46:46] roll, please?

[46:47] >> commissioner dobmeier.

[46:49] >> aye. >> commissioner haas. >> aye.

[46:52] >> commissioner bishop?

[46:55] her

[46:58] audio is not working. I apologize.

[47:01] all approved, none opposed, motion

[47:04] carries.

[47:05] >> before we move on,

[47:07] cindy, can you hear us? Okay. I

[47:09] see you're nodding. Okay. We don't

[47:10] hear you unless you're muted.

[47:22] okay. Yeah.

[47:24] if you give us a thumb's up when we

[47:25] call the roll for

[47:27] the vote then we'll know, but hopefully

[47:28] we'll get things

[47:31] fixed before then, okay?

[47:34] all right.

[47:35] >> item 6 is to

[47:37] consider approval of

[47:40] the benge

[47:43] legacy addition lot 1 block a site

[47:44] plan

[47:47] to allow for the development

[47:50] of a 4,900 square foot

[47:51] office/warehouse located at 428 southwestern

[47:53] blood at the request

[47:55] of jason benge being represented by

[47:59] greg frnka of

[48:02] gpf architects. We have a

[48:04] presentation by chairman matt steer.

[48:08] >> it currently has a single-

[48:10] family house on itit has plans to

[48:14] be demolished. The property

[48:16] is proposed to be cleared and redeveloped

[48:20] with a 4900 square foot

[48:22] office warehouse and this is acceptable

[48:23] within the

[48:26] light industrial district. They are

[48:29] planning to have 2100 square

[48:31] feet of office space, 2800 square

[48:32] feet

[48:34] of warehouse space. They are proposing

[48:37] ten parking spaces where nine parking

[48:38] spaces

[48:41] are required.

[48:43] there's five pecan trees which are

[48:44] proposed to be

[48:47] removed and replaced with

[48:50] 15 over story trees.

[48:53] there are pour

[48:55] pen oaks andand texas red oaks. The

[48:56] tree

[48:59] removal permit will be required prior to

[49:01] the removal of any trees and as designed

[49:04] the landscape plan is compliant with

[49:05] the

[49:06] landscape ordinance and given that

[49:08] this property is less than

[49:11] two acres in size, the

[49:14] required landscaping is --

[49:17] is 30% and they are providing

[49:23] 41%. The building is 28-

[49:25] foot in height and they have a combination

[49:26] of

[49:29] white austin stone and the

[49:32] fiberboard and

[49:35] dark bronze, metal panels

[49:38] and the dark bronze

[49:40] canopies. The staff is recommending

[49:41] approval for

[49:44] the benge legacy

[49:46] site plan, subject to the following

[49:47] condition and

[49:49] the detailed engineering and building

[49:50] permit review

[49:53] and prior to

[49:55] the removal of any trees and it shall

[49:56] comply with the sign

[49:58] ordinance and the formation of the type of

[49:59] the lighting

[50:02] facilities and security lighting,

[50:03] screening and

[50:04] glare shades will be required at the

[50:05] time of building permit

[50:08] to ensure compliance with the

[50:09] lighting ordinance. That concludes

[50:11] my presentation.

[50:13] the applicant's in the audience as

[50:14] well, and I'd

[50:15] be happy to answer any questions.

[50:19] >> okay. Matt, any concern? >> looks

[50:22] like a residential property on the

[50:23] outside?

[50:25] >> no, sir, that's zone light industrial.

[50:26] >> okay. Any questions of the applicant?

[50:29] I'm sorry --

[50:31] of the staff? Of the commission? Okay.

[50:32] is the applicant here to present the case?

[50:41] >> greg, if you

[50:44] can hold on a second. Can we combine

[50:47] the two?

[50:49] we'll com bin bine these two just

[50:50] to

[50:52] save a little time. If you can load up item

[50:53] 7.

[50:54] >>

[50:55] item 7 is the minor plat.

[50:56] >> okay.

[50:57] so

[50:59] item 7 is considering

[51:02] approval of the minor plat to

[51:08] allow for the office

[51:11] warehouse and jason benge being

[51:14] represented by greg frnka

[51:17] of

[51:19] gpf architects.

[51:20] >> this plot has never

[51:21] been

[51:22] platted. The property must be legally

[51:23] defined as a lot

[51:26] and block. The

[51:28] only easement required is for the water connection

[51:29] and

[51:32] the proposed 10' water easement is

[51:33] acceptable and staff

[51:34] is recommending approval subject to

[51:35] the

[51:38] following conditions there will

[51:41] be a dditional comments and the

[51:43] tree removal permit is required prior to

[51:44] the removal of

[51:46] any trees and three, the detector

[51:47] check is

[51:50] not required and the 10 by 10

[51:52] easement at the the property line

[51:53] is

[51:55] redundant.

[51:56] >> any questions of staff by

[51:57] the

[51:58] commission? Okay. You get the applicant

[51:59] to present the case.

[52:02] >> good evening. Mr. Haas,

[52:05] commissioners, mr. Steer, greg

[52:08] frnka gpf architect,

[52:11] coppell, texas. We agree with all of the

[52:12] staff

[52:13] recommendations and I would be glad to answer

[52:14] any questions.

[52:17] >> any questions of the

[52:19] applicant.

[52:20] >> -- back here, too. >> any questions of the

[52:21] applicant?

[52:23] I see cindy nodding no.

[52:26] okay.

[52:27] >> thank you very much. >> any

[52:28] final discussion by the commission?

[52:29] >> is there a motion by the commission?

[52:35] I'll make a motion for

[52:38] benge legacy addition lot one

[52:41] block 1428 southwestern

[52:44] both minor site plan

[52:45] approval subject to staff terms and conditions.

[52:47] >> we have a

[52:48] motion by commissioner

[52:50] is there a second in.

[52:51] >>

[52:52] second by vice chair blankenship.

[52:53] tammy, would you

[52:56] call the roll

[52:57] please? Please respond aye or nay.

[52:59] >> chairman haas?

[53:02] >> aye. >> commissioner hafemann.

[53:05] >> aye. >>

[53:07] commissioner patel.

[53:08] >> aye. >> and

[53:09] commissioner bishop?

[53:11] >> I see commissioner bishop,

[53:14] thumbs up.

[53:15] >> all approve.

[53:16] >> thank you very much. Item 8 on

[53:17] the agenda is a public hearing.

[53:20] this is to consider approval of

[53:29] pd-178r2r-c 145 west town

[53:32] center drive a zoning change request request

[53:34] for commercial to plan development

[53:35] 178 revision

[53:38] 2 revised commission to revise

[53:40] the detail site plan for building

[53:41] b, that

[53:44] being 145 west town center. A former --

[53:47] a former child day care facility converting

[53:51] it to a day care for dogs on 2.

[53:53] 56 acres of property located on the

[53:54] south

[53:57] side of town center drive --

[54:00] I'm sorry,

[54:02] located on the north of the road at

[54:06] the

[54:09] request of

[54:12] realtex

[54:15] ventures being represented pie

[54:17] terwisscha construction. We have representative

[54:18] mary

[54:19] paron-boswell.

[54:20] >> good evening, commissioners.

[54:21] this site was

[54:23] formerly used as a children's courtyard day

[54:24] care

[54:26] center. The building is approximately

[54:27] 11,000

[54:29] square feet. There are two buildings

[54:30] on this lot and they

[54:33] do share parking.

[54:35] 145 town center, shown there in the

[54:36] gray, is

[54:38] proposed to be converted to a dog

[54:40] day care center and also offering

[54:43] overnight accommodations. The site will remain

[54:48] cell

[54:50] relatively the same and it will be

[54:51] divided into

[54:54] play yard as you can see to the north for

[54:56] small, medium and large dogs as well

[54:57] as an area for dogs

[54:58] to relief themselves and there is

[55:00] an existing black,

[55:02] chain link fence that will remain.

[55:03] they'll be

[55:06] placing a new 8' board on board fence along

[55:07] the southern property line. The western

[55:09] property line has

[55:12] an existing 6' brick wall that

[55:15] will remain. They will

[55:18] also be sharing a trash

[55:20] enclosure that is down in the lower left of the screen.

[55:24] so

[55:25] the building itself, like I said,

[55:27] is about

[55:28] 11,000 square feet and the interior

[55:30] will be renovated

[55:33] to include various dog

[55:35] play areas. Food, prep and storage

[55:39] areas, a grooming area and

[55:41] suites for up to 71 dogs and there will

[55:42] be a waiting area

[55:43] up front with a reception area, office and staff

[55:45] area.

[55:51] they are proposing a

[55:53] you new wall sign that meets sign

[55:54] requirements.

[55:57] in terms of

[55:58] landscaping, there are no plans to

[56:00] change the landscaping

[56:02] on site. Staff is working with the

[56:03] applicant to identify

[56:05] any landscaping that may have died

[56:06] over time

[56:09] and needs to be replaced. Staff

[56:11] is proposing a condition that they

[56:12] replace any

[56:13] landscaping that is currently missing

[56:15] or dead.

[56:38] >>>

[56:41] the general concerns were noise, traffic,

[56:42] odor,

[56:44] sanitation, a decrease in

[56:47] the

[56:50] quality of life and a

[57:02] decrease in property values.

[57:08] I did hand you a

[57:11] sign in sheet. There was a

[57:14] petition signed and handed to us. There

[57:16] was additional signatures on the petition

[57:17] but I reached out to

[57:20] that

[57:25] person who was collecting them. Because

[57:26] they sent me,

[57:29] some j. Pegs and I wasn't able

[57:32] to read them. I reached out to ask them

[57:35] for the paper copies so

[57:38] we can add them to the

[57:41] records. Staff

[57:44] is recommending approval to the request

[57:47] subject to conditions. Two that

[57:50] the

[57:53] applicant

[57:56] replace any missing landscaping and allow

[57:57] staff

[57:58] to update any landscaping. That is

[57:59] the end of

[58:01] my report.

[58:02] >> with regard to some

[58:03] of the previous similar type land uses

[58:05] in other parts of town. When they

[58:07] came through the process, have there

[58:08] have been any

[58:10] complaints, any formal complaints

[58:11] with regard to those

[58:14] uses for noise, nuisance, any of

[58:16] those kinds of things?

[58:17] >> not to my

[58:18] knowledge.

[58:19] >> I'm sorry. >>

[58:20] no, sir not to

[58:22] my knowledge.

[58:23] >> okay. But you checked

[58:24] if there

[58:26] was any

[58:28] complaints?

[58:29] >> right because we've done like

[58:32] the doggy day

[58:34] care, which is not there anymore. But

[58:35] I haven't

[58:38] had anyone else --I think people

[58:41] earlier that lived like further

[58:44] away had come in during the zoning process. But after

[58:47] they did not, no

[58:50] one came in. I haven't heard any complaints.

[58:51] >> okay. Any questions of staff?

[58:56] by the

[58:59] commission?

[59:00] >>

[59:02] mary.

[59:03] >> yeah. >> what kind

[59:05] of fencing is -- sampson

[59:08] drive. Residences from all

[59:11] of

[59:14] the activity

[59:17] to south of sampson drive?

[59:18] >> I'm

[59:19] not

[59:20] sure honestly.

[59:21] >>

[59:23] sir, we'll get

[59:26] to

[59:32] you shortly.

[59:33] >> okay. >> I don't know. And

[59:34] remember,

[59:35] so thank you.

[59:36] >> any other questions

[59:37] of staff by the commission?

[59:38] >> is

[59:39] the,

[59:40] so did I understand that the prior

[59:41] zoning landscaping plan

[59:43] has been incorporated into what we

[59:44] see in this

[59:47] plan, or it will be part

[59:51] of terms and conditions?

[59:52] >> so,

[59:53] when we were reviewing the plans,

[59:54] they basically

[59:55] told us that they weren't planning

[59:56] on changing anything. So our response

[59:57] was well,

[59:59] we need to go, we need you to make

[1:00:00] sure that,

[1:00:02] everything that was supposed to be

[1:00:03] there is

[1:00:05] still there. And if not, go back and replace

[1:00:06] it. Because we

[1:00:08] have had the freeze over the last

[1:00:09] couple

[1:00:12] of years and, things just die naturally. So

[1:00:15] we like them

[1:00:16] to replace anything that, has died

[1:00:20] off or is missing and in response

[1:00:24] to your question. Does look

[1:00:25] like there's a, a brick wall. That

[1:00:26] has been pulled up.

[1:00:27] >> on the north side of town.

[1:00:33] >> mayor,

[1:00:35] --mary, can you pull up the map that has

[1:00:36] the location

[1:00:38] of the feed back we received from

[1:00:39] the public. Okay,

[1:00:42] so we have the 200

[1:00:44] on the top left and the 800 on the

[1:00:48] top

[1:00:51] right. Our screens

[1:00:52] are blanking out here.

[1:00:53] >> yeah, sorry. So

[1:00:54] the one on

[1:00:57] the bottom

[1:00:59] right is the 800. It doesn't include

[1:01:00] all

[1:01:03] the 200s.

[1:01:04] >> okay. >> okay,

[1:01:06] very

[1:01:07] good. Is the applicant here to present

[1:01:09] the case?

[1:01:10] >> good afternoon. >> name

[1:01:12] and address for the record

[1:01:15] please.

[1:01:16] >> my name

[1:01:18] is nada javon

[1:01:21] I'm the

[1:01:27] owner of excellent pet club. I'm

[1:01:30] an infectious disease by profession. Actually I

[1:01:35] respect the neighbor's concerns. I

[1:01:36] understand that. Buff if

[1:01:38] I can briefly address all those concerns. I'll

[1:01:42] be happy. It's going to be

[1:01:45] very well managed and

[1:01:48] all time supervised by

[1:01:49] our well trained and certified staff. So

[1:01:51] the dogs at the

[1:01:53] beginning are going to be evaluated. And

[1:01:56] based on their temperament, their age,

[1:01:57] their size and

[1:01:59] even their type of the play they would

[1:02:00] like, they will

[1:02:03] be grouped and they will be supervised. So

[1:02:06] most of the time, they

[1:02:07] will be kept inside. We have the two

[1:02:09] play

[1:02:11] group indoor play group and we also have

[1:02:12] the enrichment room. So it's

[1:02:14] going to be, they're going to be involved

[1:02:16] with the enrichment activity all the time. And

[1:02:18] about the noise,

[1:02:21] they will be in

[1:02:22] a smaller group, all the time. Supervised

[1:02:24] by

[1:02:27] staff. And not all the time

[1:02:30] outside. It's going

[1:02:33] to be from 10:00

[1:02:34] a.m. To 5:00 p.m. Rotation. Some part

[1:02:36] outside,

[1:02:37] some part inside and sometime resting. For

[1:02:39] the cleanliness, as

[1:02:42] I said I'm a scientist. So cleanliness

[1:02:45] is my first priority. The

[1:02:46] trash will be picked up immediately. We

[1:02:48] will have a contract

[1:02:49] with a commercial. So they will pick

[1:02:51] up

[1:02:54] the trash three times a week. So there's no

[1:02:57] issue with the cleanliness and

[1:03:00] with the odor, we have the protocols

[1:03:01] to

[1:03:03] clean the play area

[1:03:06] outside and all with

[1:03:09] the doggy safe, you know the

[1:03:11] material and take liquid to clean

[1:03:12] them. And

[1:03:15] about the traffic,

[1:03:17] one of the concerns actually it's because

[1:03:18] the --it used to

[1:03:21] be a doggy day care we're going to follow

[1:03:24] the same pattern. Drop off and

[1:03:27] pick up the dogs during the

[1:03:30] day. But we also will offer

[1:03:31] the kind of, the valet drop off. So

[1:03:33] one of the staff is going to bring

[1:03:34] the

[1:03:36] dog to the car and one of

[1:03:39] the staff

[1:03:42] in the morning they will get

[1:03:45] them inside. And

[1:03:48] sorry I forgot what

[1:03:54] was the other concern.

[1:03:55] >>

[1:03:57] I actually have

[1:04:00] a question. Tell me what your

[1:04:01] plan is specifically with waste.

[1:04:02] >> the

[1:04:03] waste will be

[1:04:05] picked up immediately by a staff. They

[1:04:06] will seal a bag

[1:04:08] and we will put it in the trash with a

[1:04:09] secure lid. And

[1:04:12] they

[1:04:14] will collect them, we will store them

[1:04:15] in the drums are outside and

[1:04:16] they will collect them three times

[1:04:18] a week.

[1:04:19] >> at any point will there

[1:04:21] be open

[1:04:27] waste.

[1:04:28] >> no not at

[1:04:36] all.

[1:04:37] >> okay, thank you. >> -->> is your mic on. >>

[1:04:39] it's going to be

[1:04:41] group play. And like I said, it's

[1:04:44] going to be enrichment type play. We

[1:04:45] will have

[1:04:46] enrichment outside. They will take

[1:04:48] with their handler, you know

[1:04:50] our staff outside. They will play

[1:04:51] like

[1:04:54] the one on one play

[1:04:56] or they will have enrichment and they

[1:04:57] will bring them

[1:05:00] inside. It's not going to

[1:05:03] be the whole day without supervision. If

[1:05:06] any parking access happens they

[1:05:09] will redirect, they

[1:05:12] will try to redirect their attention

[1:05:13] and

[1:05:15] if some of the --thaeup --they will

[1:05:18] put them in a

[1:05:19] time out and they will bring them

[1:05:21] inside.

[1:05:22] >> you mentioned

[1:05:24] they're not going to

[1:05:26] be outside for long?

[1:05:27] >> no, no. Unsupervised

[1:05:28] actually. Each play session is going

[1:05:30] to be

[1:05:32] 20 minutes for a small group. Like,

[1:05:33] five to 10 dogs with one handler

[1:05:36] it's going to be 20 minutes outside

[1:05:39] with as I said it's

[1:05:42] not like the frilly play. It's going

[1:05:43] to be enrichment play with

[1:05:45] going to

[1:05:48] the farm and then

[1:05:51] coming back

[1:05:53] inside. To engage them mentally and physically

[1:05:54] all the time. Dogs

[1:05:56] bark when they're bored. So they're

[1:05:58] not

[1:06:00] going to bark.

[1:06:01] >> so you say small,

[1:06:02] medium large and it's an hour. So

[1:06:03] they're only outside one hour of the day.

[1:06:04] >>

[1:06:05] two

[1:06:06] times outside. And the rest is going to

[1:06:07] be inside

[1:06:09] with exercise that we will have. And

[1:06:10] with the play

[1:06:13] area inside. And also they will

[1:06:16] rest

[1:06:18] most of the time you know. Doggy needs 16

[1:06:19] hours of sleep.

[1:06:20] >>

[1:06:22] I have some

[1:06:24] questions. I'm not familiar. I don't

[1:06:25] have

[1:06:27] dogs but what's involved with enrichment?

[1:06:28] >>

[1:06:29] enrichment,

[1:06:31] the means of enrichment, make

[1:06:34] them physically and

[1:06:37] mentally engaged with some play

[1:06:38] like the sniffing, and play or exercise

[1:06:40] like

[1:06:43] doggy

[1:06:44] treadmill or something like that.

[1:06:45] >>

[1:06:46] and then with

[1:06:49] regards to the valet or any type of

[1:06:51] drop off. How is that typically done? Are

[1:06:52] the dogs on

[1:06:55] leash from?

[1:06:56] >> yes,

[1:06:57] of course.

[1:06:58] >> that's like a mandatory? >>

[1:06:59] yes, it's

[1:07:01] mandatory.

[1:07:02] >> if there is valet

[1:07:03] service offered they're coming out, they're

[1:07:04] leashed. So there's no time where they're

[1:07:07] not leashed.

[1:07:08] >> no, not

[1:07:10] at all. Otherwise in the play

[1:07:13] area which is enclosed.

[1:07:14] >> at

[1:07:15] the out outset of your presentation. Did

[1:07:16] I

[1:07:17] hear you say this particular building.

[1:07:18] >>

[1:07:19] a kids day care.

[1:07:20] >> it

[1:07:21] was a kids day care. I thought I heard

[1:07:22] you say it was

[1:07:24] a dog's day care.

[1:07:25] >> no it was a kid's

[1:07:28] day care.

[1:07:29] >> and then we

[1:07:31] have the

[1:07:36] waste removal. Okay most of the time. And

[1:07:37] then, you

[1:07:38] said outside, no that's the removal

[1:07:40] three times a week of

[1:07:43] waste.

[1:07:44] >> three times per

[1:07:46] week.

[1:07:47] >>

[1:07:49] three times per

[1:07:51] week. Okay.

[1:07:52] >> thank you. >> ma'am,

[1:07:53] where

[1:07:54] exactly outside will the dogs be playing?

[1:07:55] >>

[1:07:56] those

[1:07:58] two big rooms and the north

[1:07:59] side is enrichment room. Outside you mean.

[1:08:00] >>

[1:08:01] yes, yes.

[1:08:02] >>

[1:08:04] no, it's the

[1:08:07] next one. Those two blue

[1:08:10] one. And we will

[1:08:12] have the, the farm enrichment farm. And

[1:08:16] it's going to

[1:08:17] be there, you know sorry relieving

[1:08:19] area.

[1:08:20] >> will any

[1:08:22] of those areas be fenced?

[1:08:23] >> all of

[1:08:24] them are fenced.

[1:08:25] >> solid fencing,

[1:08:26] what kind

[1:08:28] of fencing.

[1:08:29] >>

[1:08:31] inside it's going

[1:08:34] to

[1:08:36] be wire fence.

[1:08:37] >> excuse me. >> wire

[1:08:38] fence. But outside it's

[1:08:40] going to be wood.

[1:08:41] >>

[1:08:46] that's where you said board on

[1:08:49] board.

[1:08:50] >> yes. >> okay, okay thank you. So I saw the first. >>

[1:08:52] I just had a quick question. You had

[1:08:53] mentioned

[1:08:54] that the dogs would only be outside between

[1:08:58] the hours

[1:08:59] of 10:00 a.m. And 5:00 p.m.

[1:09:00] >> yes. >> so after 5:00 p.m., dog -- >> they

[1:09:01] will be inside and our operation times is

[1:09:03] going to be 7:00 a.m. To 7:00 p.m. So

[1:09:04] we don't have

[1:09:07] any day care. So they will go to

[1:09:10] their resting area

[1:09:13] to the --

[1:09:14] >> so they won't be

[1:09:15] playing outside before 10:00 a.m.

[1:09:16] or after 4:00 p.m.

[1:09:17] >>

[1:09:18] no, we don't have to.

[1:09:19] >> before I

[1:09:20] make

[1:09:21] assumptions of the words being used. The

[1:09:22] two

[1:09:24] areas off to the it'll be on the north

[1:09:25] side and

[1:09:28] south side of the building

[1:09:31] that we refer to as

[1:09:33] relief areas.

[1:09:34] >> yes. >> are those,

[1:09:35] are they relieving themselves in those areas

[1:09:37] or is it --

[1:09:38] >>

[1:09:39] you know for the boarding dogs, we

[1:09:40] will

[1:09:42] have the --in the morning time. We will immediately

[1:09:43] after they wake up at

[1:09:46] the 7:00 a.m. We will take them to

[1:09:48] the relief area. So of course they

[1:09:49] will relieving in the

[1:09:52] other area too. But that's just for

[1:09:53] morning and for the boarding dogs.

[1:09:54] >>

[1:09:55] is it fair to ask to

[1:09:58] only have relief area on

[1:10:01] one

[1:10:04] side of that property and

[1:10:06] preferably on the south side.

[1:10:07] >> we

[1:10:08] have the area on

[1:10:09] the right for the smaller dog and on

[1:10:10] the

[1:10:12] left side, yes that one and this one.

[1:10:13] >>

[1:10:14] my

[1:10:16] question is can that one on the

[1:10:19] north side be consolidated to

[1:10:22] the south side so that it

[1:10:25] is further

[1:10:28] away from the

[1:10:30] north property and the adjacent community.

[1:10:31] >>

[1:10:32] yeah, it can

[1:10:34] change.

[1:10:35] >> that just allows

[1:10:37] greater distance.

[1:10:38] >>

[1:10:40] yeah, I will share this with our

[1:10:43] contract.

[1:10:44] >> any other

[1:10:45] questions of the applicant? Okay. I

[1:10:49] wish we could

[1:10:52] let cindy in. But, sorry, our screens are cutting

[1:10:54] out. Maybe you can text or something

[1:10:55] if you have questionless. But what

[1:10:56] was

[1:10:58] the right to ask you to

[1:11:00] come back after the public hearing. Okay. Very

[1:11:01] good. All right, so we

[1:11:04] have several folks that have

[1:11:07] signed up for this case. So, we appreciate you

[1:11:10] coming out. You will have

[1:11:13] three minutes to speak. No more than three

[1:11:15] minutes. Cami if you can raise your hand. Maybe

[1:11:16] they have 30

[1:11:19] seconds to start wrapping it

[1:11:22] up. But we want to

[1:11:24] try to get to everybody. So I will

[1:11:25] call names

[1:11:26] first person then followed by so that

[1:11:28] the next person can

[1:11:31] get ready and we can move

[1:11:34] through this fairly quickly. We

[1:11:37] will

[1:11:40] start out with pete sup erack

[1:11:43] and to be followed by sarah sanders and

[1:11:44] brandon gros.

[1:11:45] >> apologize for the

[1:11:46] fence comment. This is my first one. So

[1:11:49] good evening and

[1:11:52] thanks for the opportunity,

[1:11:55] my name is pete superack. The property

[1:11:58] is under construction,

[1:12:01] the property under construction

[1:12:02] for rezoning is located right behind

[1:12:04] the border fence of

[1:12:07] my house. I want to make it very clear, we

[1:12:12] love dogs, I have two rescues. My

[1:12:19] wife has

[1:12:22] fostered dogs. We support small

[1:12:25] business. This property

[1:12:31] sits

[1:12:34] behind a row of residential

[1:12:37] homes 11 behind fence

[1:12:40] and is close

[1:12:42] to two montessori schools. Many of

[1:12:43] us use our

[1:12:46] pools, backyard spaces to relax, spend

[1:12:47] time

[1:12:49] with our families especially during

[1:12:50] the weekends. So

[1:12:52] persistent

[1:12:55] barking will definitely impact the

[1:13:00] quality of our life. Second, even responsible management.

[1:13:08] facilities that

[1:13:11] manage -- especially

[1:13:14] in texas odor becomes

[1:13:15] a big problem for precedents. It's

[1:13:16] important to note that town center is

[1:13:17] the

[1:13:19] primary rout used by the high schoolers

[1:13:21] and the students that walk, use bikes

[1:13:23] and scooters to

[1:13:24] travel to and from schools. And then

[1:13:26] finally, property value

[1:13:29] for many of

[1:13:32] us our homes is the single

[1:13:33] biggest financial asset we own. One

[1:13:35] backing up to a

[1:13:38] doggy day care

[1:13:44] and

[1:13:47] one that does

[1:13:49] not. So even under ideal management. There

[1:13:50] are no perfect fences that

[1:13:52] are going to stop dogs from barking. There

[1:13:53] are no trash bins

[1:13:56] no matter how you

[1:13:58] seal it that is going to eliminate

[1:14:02] hot odor especially on a hot texas

[1:14:05] day. On the evening that's

[1:14:08] when

[1:14:11] I use the backyard

[1:14:14] the most. There were no

[1:14:16] --all the comments were about the

[1:14:17] weekday, what are you

[1:14:20] going to do on

[1:14:21] the weekend. This is simply not the appropriate

[1:14:23] location

[1:14:26] for a doggy day care. For

[1:14:28] this reason, I respectfully ask the

[1:14:30] committee to consider the impact this will

[1:14:32] have on

[1:14:34] our schools. We have already submitted

[1:14:35] a petition that has

[1:14:36] 52 signatures with gratitude I thank

[1:14:37] you for your time and consideration.

[1:14:38] >>

[1:14:39] okay,

[1:14:40] thank you very much. Quick question

[1:14:43] for you.

[1:14:44] >> yes, sir. >> so you mentioned

[1:14:47] increased traffic. How

[1:14:50] would this be

[1:14:52] increased traffic over a child care?

[1:14:53] that was

[1:14:55] previously there.

[1:14:56] >> statistically

[1:14:57] we would have to

[1:14:58] measure that. 71 dogs, I don't think

[1:14:59] 71 children are in that

[1:15:01] day care next to it. You would have

[1:15:05] to measure that.

[1:15:06] >> thank

[1:15:08] you. Thank you. Sarah sanders followed

[1:15:11] by landon gause. And so mrs.

[1:15:14] sanders you live on beachwood. Where's beachwood.

[1:15:15] >>

[1:15:17] across from the

[1:15:20] library in town

[1:15:23] center. I see it

[1:15:26] now. Got you. Thank

[1:15:28] you.

[1:15:29] >> sarah sanders, my child attends coppell

[1:15:30] montessori and my family frequently

[1:15:32] commute on foot. Town center drive

[1:15:33] to

[1:15:34] the high school on weekends and weekdays

[1:15:35] and it's only

[1:15:38] the only

[1:15:41] paved side of that

[1:15:44] street which

[1:15:47] is butting up

[1:15:49] against this facility. I've volunteered

[1:15:50] at

[1:15:51] multiple dog shelters. And I've seen

[1:15:53] dogs escape their leash even

[1:15:55] by trained handlers. In an area with

[1:15:56] children, it is not just

[1:15:58] an inconvenience it is a danger. Big

[1:15:59] fan

[1:16:01] of dogs, big fan of kids but those

[1:16:02] two

[1:16:05] don't blend well in close quarters. The

[1:16:07] noise pollution with the significant

[1:16:08] outdoor

[1:16:11] presence like the proposed

[1:16:13] facility is objectively loud, consistent and

[1:16:14] uncontrollable. Even with redirection

[1:16:17] and engagement. I am surprised

[1:16:18] actually the city would consider putting such

[1:16:20] a facility with a 71

[1:16:22] dog capacity so centrally in a high

[1:16:23] trafficked

[1:16:25] area by people of all ages. Using

[1:16:26] the other two doggy

[1:16:29] day cares in coppell is

[1:16:32] an example. One doesn't have a designated outdoor

[1:16:35] area. So they do relief

[1:16:38] for dogs in the surrounding

[1:16:41] runs. The other

[1:16:44] has runs but

[1:16:47] they're fully

[1:16:48] surrounded by parking lots. Barking

[1:16:50] acts

[1:16:53] as a stressor

[1:16:56] on children's brain and reducing cognitive

[1:16:58] functions such as focus. Leading to

[1:16:59] the height fear or alertness. I'm

[1:17:00] not

[1:17:02] a scientist but I

[1:17:05] do have children that walk by this

[1:17:06] facility

[1:17:08] every day. Town

[1:17:10] center drive is the proposed facility becomes

[1:17:11] a booming

[1:17:14] nonstop thoroughfare five days of

[1:17:17] the week. From school

[1:17:20] start. After school program and

[1:17:24] last week 1400 students signed on

[1:17:29] for honor roll run. And many

[1:17:32] of them are

[1:17:35] in that same area. The

[1:17:37] buses, cars, high schoolers and constant

[1:17:38] noise. I

[1:17:41] oppose, with kids, school staff and

[1:17:44] commuters as their close

[1:17:46] proximity will raise stress levels

[1:17:47] and negatively impact the

[1:17:50] day fall. Thank

[1:17:52] you.

[1:17:53] >> thank you very much. Landongaus. While

[1:17:54] brandon is coming

[1:17:55] down. How many kids are enrolled at the

[1:17:56] day care center. Do we

[1:17:59] have

[1:18:05] a number of capacity of

[1:18:11] what was previously there? Thank you.

[1:18:17] mr. Gause.

[1:18:18] >> just to quickly

[1:18:25] address ed haas question. Was there

[1:18:26] any complaints with other doggy

[1:18:29] day care. I think the reason why there was

[1:18:30] no

[1:18:32] complaints is

[1:18:35] because the day

[1:18:37] cares that were surrounded by industrial areas. That's

[1:18:38] probably why

[1:18:41] there isn't that many complaints. My

[1:18:43] property is actually directly across the

[1:18:44] fence that the dogs

[1:18:46] will be playing in. And so I have

[1:18:47] a

[1:18:50] direct connection to this. We actually

[1:18:51] walk

[1:18:53] --walked it yesterday with the kids. I

[1:18:55] basically second everything that was

[1:18:56] said by the previous two speakers. I'm

[1:18:59] not a

[1:19:02] scientist, I don't have a lot

[1:19:05] of stats. Say, but

[1:19:08] I think just from a selfish

[1:19:10] perspective that I don't really see

[1:19:14] a doggy day care being

[1:19:17] near a residential area

[1:19:19] as something that is conducive to

[1:19:20] daily life. There's also a

[1:19:23] direct child day care right next to

[1:19:24] it. Right

[1:19:25] next door called the children's courtyard. So

[1:19:27] there's going to

[1:19:29] be drop off and pick up from there

[1:19:30] as well. To me

[1:19:31] that seems that would be a safety

[1:19:33] and liability

[1:19:36] issue as well. If a dog were

[1:19:37] to get off leash, kids five and under

[1:19:39] are statistically

[1:19:41] even as I said I don't have any statistic,

[1:19:42] kids five

[1:19:45] and under are more

[1:19:48] likely to get

[1:19:50] bit by a dog. Sanitation was covered. I

[1:19:53] don't really have much else. I think

[1:19:54] they covered really everything that's

[1:19:57] involved. But,

[1:19:58] I just hope that we use common sense

[1:20:00] here. And that there are

[1:20:03] other properties that could

[1:20:06] be used for this. So, I thank

[1:20:09] you for your

[1:20:11] time.

[1:20:12] >> thank you. >> vicki rice

[1:20:15] followed by darla mann.

[1:20:16] >>

[1:20:19] chairman haas.

[1:20:20] >> yes. >> so between

[1:20:24] the two buildings, which

[1:20:27] are basically about the

[1:20:30] same time. 334 kids between

[1:20:33] both buildings.

[1:20:34] >> 334,

[1:20:35] so 150, 180 kids. Okay. Okay. Yes,

[1:20:36] ma'am.

[1:20:37] >> hi

[1:20:39] my name is

[1:20:41] vicki rice. I'm the director of coppell montessori. Our

[1:20:45] playground backs up

[1:20:48] to that area with just

[1:20:49] a small creek separating the properties. Toddlers

[1:20:51] play

[1:20:54] out there all day. Learning

[1:20:56] and playing. Dog day cares typically include

[1:20:57] dogs playing

[1:20:59] together which can result in frequent barking

[1:21:00] and noise

[1:21:01] throughout the school hours. She said

[1:21:03] between 10:00 and 5:00 those

[1:21:05] are the times we're outside. For very

[1:21:06] young children,

[1:21:09] that level of noise

[1:21:11] can be disruptive to outdoor play. Learning

[1:21:12] activities and

[1:21:13] rest times. Many children at this

[1:21:15] age are also frightened

[1:21:17] by loud barking or groups of unfamiliar

[1:21:18] dogs. There's

[1:21:20] also practical concerns as everyone

[1:21:22] has mentioned. The sanitation, odors

[1:21:24] and waste management

[1:21:26] so close to an area where children

[1:21:28] play. As others have mentioned, town center

[1:21:30] drive

[1:21:31] becomes very busy throughout the week. There's

[1:21:33] buses, cars, the

[1:21:36] high schoolers

[1:21:38] that go through that area. It's crazy. My

[1:21:39] intention is

[1:21:42] not to

[1:21:45] impose the business

[1:21:48] but for the city to

[1:21:51] consider if placing

[1:21:54] a

[1:21:57] doggy tkeu

[1:22:00] -- day care is

[1:22:06] the best choice.

[1:22:07] >>

[1:22:09] hi thank you very

[1:22:12] much. My name is darla mann. I reside

[1:22:15] on shady lane. So our

[1:22:18] residents first off

[1:22:19] I came really just to show support. I

[1:22:21] did sign the petition and my mother

[1:22:24] as

[1:22:27] well. We're the neighbor we're

[1:22:28] on the west side of this location. But

[1:22:30] as I've

[1:22:32] been sitting here listening to the

[1:22:33] meeting,

[1:22:36] the city's point of view and

[1:22:38] any kind of information that they've

[1:22:39] gathered. So

[1:22:45] I want to provide some

[1:22:48] perspective on

[1:22:51] our side. Originally this was

[1:22:54] a day care buildings a and

[1:22:57] b were both populated for

[1:23:00] children. As

[1:23:03] a resident of coppell since 1969 at

[1:23:04] this residence

[1:23:05] since 1980, we've seen a lot of growth. The

[1:23:06] high

[1:23:09] school has been built. The

[1:23:12] day care has been put

[1:23:13] in. Mr. More homes around us. Even

[1:23:15] the church

[1:23:18] which is just south of this

[1:23:21] property,

[1:23:24] over the years

[1:23:26] we have been inundated by noise. The

[1:23:30] day care with screaming, playing kids. All

[1:23:31] hours,

[1:23:32] all ages. We get noise from the high school

[1:23:33] which you know

[1:23:36] the field is a little further

[1:23:39] away but we still get it. Also the

[1:23:42] church which

[1:23:45] is just, a

[1:23:46] stone's throw south of this facility. You

[1:23:48] think a church is

[1:23:50] going in there but they play rock

[1:23:51] & roll kind of music

[1:23:54] that really imnates out

[1:23:56] of there on wednesday and thursday

[1:23:59] evenings and on sunday mornings. They've

[1:24:00] tried to do some improvement

[1:24:03] from sound barrier but

[1:24:06] we still

[1:24:09] hear it. So

[1:24:12] we

[1:24:15] are bombarded

[1:24:18] with

[1:24:21] noise by these entities

[1:24:24] that have grown

[1:24:27] up around our homes. The brick fence runs

[1:24:29] across that entire line. There's two actual

[1:24:30] brick fences. There's the church brick

[1:24:31] fence that

[1:24:33] runs all the way out to sandy lake

[1:24:34] and

[1:24:36] then there's the day care brick fence that's

[1:24:39] only brick on

[1:24:42] the west side. Everything else

[1:24:45] is chain link. So

[1:24:47] there is a gap there. Probably 10

[1:24:48] to 12-inches

[1:24:51] where those

[1:24:53] fences do not meet and you know critters

[1:24:54] go in and out

[1:24:56] of there so dogs can certainly go

[1:24:57] in between

[1:25:00] and enter our property. So

[1:25:03] a few things that I

[1:25:05] wrote down today, proximity. I'm an

[1:25:06] animal lover, not against the

[1:25:09] business but

[1:25:12] again there's probably been

[1:25:14] no complaints because the doggy day

[1:25:15] care within coppell.

[1:25:16] >>

[1:25:17] thank you. We'll give you another

[1:25:18] minute to

[1:25:21] wrap up.

[1:25:22] >> are in an

[1:25:24] industrial

[1:25:30] area more so. We, this is a very dense neighborhood,

[1:25:31] I just, we

[1:25:33] feel and my mother feels this is just

[1:25:36] not the

[1:25:39] appropriate location for this

[1:25:41] facility. Also regarding the landscaping,

[1:25:42] trees were planted in

[1:25:45] that original day care as it was. I

[1:25:48] believe their oak elms. They have

[1:25:49] the little

[1:25:50] tiny leaves all along that fence. They're

[1:25:51] on their side of the property

[1:25:53] but as they've grown over the last

[1:25:54] decade or so. They

[1:25:57] have branched out and they

[1:25:59] are over into our property. We, had

[1:26:00] many conversations trying to

[1:26:02] get them to do their tree management,

[1:26:05] cut them down. You know trim them

[1:26:06] down. It's been futile

[1:26:08] because it's always, well we have

[1:26:09] to deal with corporate. It's

[1:26:12] been like a brick wall. So there's

[1:26:15] a lot of landscaping. That needs

[1:26:18] to be done on that property regarding

[1:26:20] treeing, regarding grasses. Especially

[1:26:21] in those areas where

[1:26:24] they're going to have relief urine constantly

[1:26:25] going through

[1:26:28] there. That's going

[1:26:34] to erode the grass. It's going

[1:26:40] to emanate the odor. Again

[1:26:43] another thing regarding the

[1:26:46] noise. Talking about 10:00 a.m.

[1:26:47] to 4:00 p.m. 70 dogs all of that play

[1:26:49] time is going to

[1:26:51] be our on side. For years. We would

[1:26:52] hear

[1:26:54] the kids outside screaming and playing. My

[1:26:55] mother actually worked nights. It

[1:26:58] was

[1:27:01] very

[1:27:03] hard for her to sleep. It's just, we've

[1:27:04] been inundated

[1:27:05] by noise. You would not think there would

[1:27:07] be

[1:27:08] that much noise but there is. Now

[1:27:10] to have barking dogs,

[1:27:11] I just. I can't even. I don't even

[1:27:13] want to go there. I have

[1:27:16] also have a child who is

[1:27:17] on the autism spectrum. And he is

[1:27:19] afraid of dogs

[1:27:22] so a constant barking of dogs. I

[1:27:25] just, we don't want to

[1:27:27] have to tolerate it. And the weekend

[1:27:28] issue --that was

[1:27:31] another.

[1:27:32] >> we'll follow up,

[1:27:34] question on the applicant

[1:27:37] there. Thank you

[1:27:39] very much. So we have vishi.

[1:27:40] >> yeah,

[1:27:41] that's

[1:27:43] me.

[1:27:44] >>

[1:27:46] followed by shanti.

[1:27:47] >>

[1:27:48] we are here for actually items 12

[1:27:49] and 13.

[1:27:50] >> oh you signed up on

[1:27:51] the wrong one.

[1:27:52] >> sorry about that. >>

[1:27:56] you want to say anything while you're

[1:27:58] here?

[1:27:59] >> yes. >> okay we'll get you

[1:28:01] on

[1:28:07] that one. So y'all are on

[1:28:10] 12. All right.

[1:28:11] >> all

[1:28:16] right, sir,

[1:28:19] so, it would be

[1:28:22] rama rara, probably and rama

[1:28:25] sana

[1:28:28] rosani. So these are all

[1:28:30] 12. Okay. Oh my gosh and ron you're

[1:28:34] on for item 12. For

[1:28:37] this one. The

[1:28:40] other

[1:28:43] one,

[1:28:44] okay. How about robert? Robert dolman. You

[1:28:46] on --

[1:28:49] I'm sorry. I

[1:28:53] didn't plan on saying anything.

[1:28:54] >>

[1:29:01] okay, okay. There's,

[1:29:07] mr.

[1:29:09] doman.

[1:29:10] >> was that on item eight or 12. >> we

[1:29:11] agreed on

[1:29:12] everything.

[1:29:13] >> I just want to make

[1:29:14] sure I get

[1:29:16] everybody

[1:29:19] here. This is on eight,

[1:29:22] this is on 12. Then

[1:29:25] I'm

[1:29:28] just going to say mr.

[1:29:29] and mrs. Woo. She's brave. By hands

[1:29:31] those coming down are there others

[1:29:34] that would like to speak on the item.

[1:29:35] >>

[1:29:36] I crossed my name out. I thought --

[1:29:37] >>

[1:29:38] I see that.

[1:29:39] >>

[1:29:40] we'll get

[1:29:43] others that haven't

[1:29:46] signed up. But,

[1:29:48] mrs. Woo.

[1:29:49] >> hi. >> I'm the resident

[1:29:50] at

[1:29:52] 127 clover lane

[1:29:53] in the neighborhood. So I opposed

[1:29:55] the working the former

[1:29:57] into a dog day care center because

[1:30:01] this location is

[1:30:03] in the middle of residential neighborhood

[1:30:04] with many families

[1:30:06] with kids. Myself has two kids. And.

[1:30:07] >>

[1:30:08] could I ask you to

[1:30:10] speak closer to the mic so

[1:30:13] we can hear you.

[1:30:14] >> sure. So I oppose

[1:30:15] converting the former

[1:30:16] facility into a dog day care center

[1:30:19] because this location is

[1:30:21] in the middle of a residential neighborhood

[1:30:22] with many families

[1:30:25] and kids and myself have

[1:30:28] two kids. I

[1:30:31] think this, dog day

[1:30:37] care center will, like

[1:30:40] bring noise, odor and sanitation

[1:30:41] concerns. So it will impact, naturally impact

[1:30:46] the

[1:30:49] quality of life for the

[1:30:52] neighborhood. So I respectfully ask

[1:30:55] the authorities to

[1:30:58] take this concern. And takes up

[1:31:01] community concerns

[1:31:05] seriously. And we can consider this

[1:31:07] proposal.

[1:31:08] >> in

[1:31:09] opposition.

[1:31:10] >> is there anything else. >> thank

[1:31:11] you very much.

[1:31:12] >> are

[1:31:13] there

[1:31:16] others that would like

[1:31:19] to

[1:31:25] speak on the item? Come

[1:31:28] on

[1:31:30] down, over here.

[1:31:31] >> hey there. Closer. >> you

[1:31:32] can

[1:31:34] pull

[1:31:37] it down.

[1:31:38] >> is that better. Hi I'm

[1:31:40] shafini, 411, or 144 woodhurst

[1:31:43] drive. I have lived in coppell since 1995

[1:31:44] and

[1:31:46] moved back here about four years

[1:31:48] ago. Actually lived in the neighborhood

[1:31:49] that's adjacent to the

[1:31:50] neighborhood that this would be at. That

[1:31:54] backs up to the high school fields. So

[1:31:55] I

[1:31:58] do, understand the people that live

[1:32:01] behind the

[1:32:02] noise pollution that's already there. I

[1:32:04] would also, urge the in opposition. Sorry

[1:32:07] if I didn't say that. Would

[1:32:10] urge you guys to really consider

[1:32:12] flipping the sanitation to that backside that

[1:32:13] is

[1:32:16] where

[1:32:19] my

[1:32:22] child goes to school

[1:32:24] at coppell montessori and we're very

[1:32:25] concerned with the sound. And

[1:32:28] there's a creek that goes there and

[1:32:31] it could make

[1:32:34] the situation much worse for the run

[1:32:35] off. I

[1:32:37] heard her address the concern for

[1:32:38] removal. But also

[1:32:40] coppell has pick up twice a

[1:32:43] week. I'm interested

[1:32:47] if they will have pry --

[1:32:50] private pick up and how that

[1:32:53] will work.

[1:32:54] >> can

[1:32:56] I get your name.

[1:32:57] >> shae finney. Woodhurst drive. By

[1:32:59] the duck pond.

[1:33:00] >> okay, got

[1:33:01] you. All righty. Thank you very much. Is

[1:33:02] there anybody else

[1:33:05] who would like to speak

[1:33:08] for

[1:33:09] or against the proposed application.

[1:33:10] >>

[1:33:11] may I add one comment.

[1:33:12] >>

[1:33:13] he used his three minutes. You still

[1:33:14] have three minutes. I

[1:33:17] will need

[1:33:20] your

[1:33:22] name and address for the record.

[1:33:23] >>

[1:33:24] dawn superack. I

[1:33:25] was just looking at the sign and it

[1:33:27] says that they are maximum dogs could

[1:33:29] be 71 dogs total

[1:33:31] at a time. I know a lot of facilities allow

[1:33:32] dogs

[1:33:33] that come from the same household

[1:33:35] to stay in

[1:33:38] the same suites or the

[1:33:39] same kennels. So essentially that

[1:33:41] 71 dogs could be 144 dogs. I don't

[1:33:42] know if their facility is going to allow

[1:33:44] that but

[1:33:45] I know most of them do. So that is

[1:33:47] just another, concern

[1:33:50] that I have that

[1:33:52] is not just 71 dogs that, it could

[1:33:53] potentially

[1:33:54] be 144. Thanks.

[1:33:55] >> thank you very

[1:33:56] much. Is there anyone else who

[1:33:59] would like to speak

[1:34:00] for or against the proposed application. Seeing

[1:34:02] none. I will

[1:34:05] close the public hearing. If

[1:34:11] we could have the

[1:34:14] applicant come back

[1:34:15] please. There were a couple of concerns

[1:34:16] raised through the period. One of

[1:34:19] the concerns is what are the operations on

[1:34:20] the weekend.

[1:34:21] >> the operation on the weekend

[1:34:23] for the day care is going to

[1:34:25] be shorter. It's going to be 8:00

[1:34:29] to just 5:00 p.m.

[1:34:30] >>

[1:34:32] 8:00 to

[1:34:33] 5:00. Both saturday and sunday.

[1:34:34] >>

[1:34:35] yes, yes.

[1:34:36] >> then there was

[1:34:37] a follow up question with regard to sanitation. The

[1:34:38] pick

[1:34:41] up, the

[1:34:43] operations of who's providing.

[1:34:44] >>

[1:34:45] that's going to

[1:34:46] be commercial, private they pick up

[1:34:47] the trash. If it's needed we can add

[1:34:48] it more time. But for now we have

[1:34:50] a

[1:34:53] contract for three times

[1:34:55] a week. We can add it for, you know, like

[1:34:56] the summertime

[1:34:59] we can add it to four

[1:35:02] times a week.

[1:35:03] >>

[1:35:04] is there special disposal required?

[1:35:05] >>

[1:35:06] yeah, they are a

[1:35:08] private company.

[1:35:09] >> so

[1:35:10] they're versed in those type of operations.

[1:35:11] >>

[1:35:12] yes.

[1:35:13] >>

[1:35:14] I'm sorry. There's a

[1:35:17] side bar going on over

[1:35:20] there. Then there's

[1:35:22] one last one. 71 times two, 144.

[1:35:23] >>

[1:35:24] for a

[1:35:25] smaller, the kennel we're not allowing

[1:35:26] two dogs

[1:35:28] at a time. Just for suites that we

[1:35:29] will have

[1:35:31] eight suites for them we can for two dogs

[1:35:35] not for the rest.

[1:35:36] >> so the total

[1:35:38] is 71

[1:35:40] dogs.

[1:35:41] >> the total is 71, yes. >>

[1:35:42] total.

[1:35:43] >> total. >> okay, all right. While

[1:35:44] the applicant is here.

[1:35:45] >> it's

[1:35:46] not usually 71 for day care. It's

[1:35:47] for boarding

[1:35:50] kennel 71 as I mentioned in a,

[1:35:52] you know it's not very clear here. But

[1:35:55] we are for indoor play, we just have

[1:35:56] a 15

[1:35:59] as a big dog and 15 as

[1:36:01] a small dog. For a day care.

[1:36:02] >> so

[1:36:05] thank you.

[1:36:06] >> the small. >> thank

[1:36:08] you for that clarification. So what

[1:36:11] is the total potential number

[1:36:14] of dogs

[1:36:16] on-site?

[1:36:17] >> 71. >> total. >> total. >> boarding

[1:36:18] or

[1:36:20] nonboarding.

[1:36:21] >> yeah. >>

[1:36:22] including suites.

[1:36:23] >> including suites. Yes.

[1:36:24] eight suites is just like.

[1:36:25] >>

[1:36:26] okay, what does

[1:36:29] the staffing look

[1:36:31] like. Because you mentioned there will be

[1:36:32] 1v1.

[1:36:33] >>

[1:36:35] we will have

[1:36:37] seven to nine. Around seven for each

[1:36:40] shift.

[1:36:41] >> seven for each shift. Is

[1:36:42] there,

[1:36:43] I'm not clear with this operation.

[1:36:44] >>

[1:36:45] like each

[1:36:47] 10 dog, seven to 10 dogs per handler.

[1:36:48] >>

[1:36:49] per person. Okay, okay. And they will

[1:36:50] never

[1:36:52] leave the site.

[1:36:53] >> no. >> they're

[1:36:54] only, okay.

[1:36:55] >> they're

[1:36:56] going through the, you know the training

[1:36:57] program. So

[1:36:58] they will know the dog behavior. They

[1:36:59] will have

[1:37:01] a course and a dog behavior how to

[1:37:02] handle

[1:37:05] the emergencies. How to handle the

[1:37:08] barking. How to you know the manage the emergency

[1:37:11] time. So, they will have

[1:37:13] the training time and they will certify

[1:37:14] before.

[1:37:15] >> is that a requirement

[1:37:16] for this type of operation.

[1:37:17] >> no

[1:37:18] for our

[1:37:20] operation it's going to be

[1:37:23] --

[1:37:24] >> for your operational. >>

[1:37:26] --operations.

[1:37:27] >> so you have

[1:37:29] another location.

[1:37:30] >> no this will

[1:37:31] be

[1:37:32] the first location.

[1:37:33] >> out of curiosity

[1:37:34] why this business.

[1:37:35] >> actually I

[1:37:36] was looking for my dog. I have

[1:37:38] two dogs so I was looking for their

[1:37:40] boarding. So I was thinking, okay,

[1:37:41] when I

[1:37:44] saw

[1:37:47] couple, I thought I can do

[1:37:50] better.

[1:37:51] >> okay. Any final

[1:37:52] questions of the applicant. Samit.

[1:37:53] >> just

[1:37:54] to

[1:37:56] clarify from an operational standpoint. You

[1:37:59] are going to allow boarding overnight.

[1:38:00] >> yes. We

[1:38:01] will

[1:38:02] have staff overnight.

[1:38:03] >> but no dogs

[1:38:04] will

[1:38:05] be taken outside overnight.

[1:38:06] >> no,

[1:38:07] no. They will have a

[1:38:08] relief area inside too.

[1:38:09] >> similar

[1:38:10] on the

[1:38:11] weekends. So somebody could check

[1:38:12] their dog in for a

[1:38:14] vacation.

[1:38:15] >> oh no we have a time

[1:38:16] for accepting and for you know, drop

[1:38:17] off and pick up. We

[1:38:19] don't load them any time.

[1:38:20] >> spring

[1:38:21] break this week, somebody can check

[1:38:22] their

[1:38:23] dog in on a saturday and pick

[1:38:25] them up a week later following sunday?

[1:38:26] >>

[1:38:27] yeah,

[1:38:28] they can do it, yes, of course.

[1:38:29] >>

[1:38:30] okay, okay.

[1:38:31] >> I

[1:38:32] have a question, a couple of

[1:38:35] things came up for staff while she's

[1:38:36] still

[1:38:37] here. Is there any, is staff aware of

[1:38:38] any

[1:38:44] creeks or run off area adjacent to

[1:38:47] this property? And is there any

[1:38:50] part of

[1:38:52] this property that's directly adjacent

[1:38:53] to the montessori school?

[1:38:54] >>

[1:38:56] so I'll have to defer

[1:38:59] to engineering about the creeks. I'll

[1:39:02] let, I think he's going to

[1:39:05] look that up. I'm sorry what was the

[1:39:07] second question.

[1:39:08] >> we had a couple

[1:39:11] of comments that this

[1:39:14] was directly adjacent to the

[1:39:16] montessori school. Is there any piece

[1:39:17] that abuts next to that.

[1:39:18] >> it

[1:39:20] looks like it's

[1:39:23] the church or a

[1:39:26] church parking lot. Yeah.

[1:39:27] >>

[1:39:29] so looks like

[1:39:32] the montessori backs up to the other day

[1:39:35] care.

[1:39:36] >> okay no more questions

[1:39:37] for me, thank you.

[1:39:38] >> on the other

[1:39:39] side.

[1:39:40] >> fire away. >> I

[1:39:41] don't know who this is toward. But

[1:39:44] the eight foot board fence is it continuous

[1:39:46] around there regardless of the existing walls

[1:39:48] and whatever. Or is it

[1:39:50] meant to bridge, is it only intended

[1:39:54] to bridge the gaps where

[1:39:56] the walls are not?

[1:39:57] >> so, our intent

[1:39:58] is there's a wall to

[1:40:00] the west which is

[1:40:01] a brick wall. Which is going to stay. Then

[1:40:03] on the

[1:40:06] north facing

[1:40:09] the street and on the south at

[1:40:11] the rear, there's currently a chain

[1:40:13] link fence where I think there's fabric

[1:40:15] and

[1:40:18] we didn't want

[1:40:20] just that. So it should be in front

[1:40:21] of I think

[1:40:22] they're going to keep the chain link

[1:40:27] fence but it should be on the

[1:40:30] rear. Because we don't want

[1:40:33] kids sticking their hands in there.

[1:40:34] >>

[1:40:35] right, right. But in lieu of the comment, because

[1:40:37] knowing that there's drainage and

[1:40:39] what not below brick walls,

[1:40:42] we want to

[1:40:45] make sure that that's closed off too. Maybe

[1:40:48] not a solid 8-foot fence,

[1:40:51] but they want to make sure

[1:40:53] no dog goes boroughing underneath

[1:40:54] the wall or

[1:40:57] the fence.

[1:40:58] >>

[1:41:03] board on board outside.

[1:41:04] >> okay.

[1:41:15] okay.

[1:41:16] >> fire away kent. >>

[1:41:17] why are we agreeing to a board on

[1:41:18] board. Wouldn't

[1:41:20] it be better to recommend a stone

[1:41:21] or

[1:41:25] brick fence or something of that nature.

[1:41:30] something that's

[1:41:33] solid?

[1:41:34] >> if that's

[1:41:36] something

[1:41:39] that you want to recommend.

[1:41:42] staff was

[1:41:45] just thinking of leaving the

[1:41:48] chain link

[1:41:51] fence. We thought the board on board was better

[1:41:54] for blocking access.

[1:41:55] >> thank

[1:41:57] you.

[1:41:58] >>

[1:42:01] any other comments. Okay discussion

[1:42:06] by the commission.

[1:42:07] >> so

[1:42:09] I have mixed feelings about

[1:42:12] this application. Because

[1:42:15] it

[1:42:18] is a, a lot of dogs. But with the

[1:42:21] proper mitigation I was

[1:42:24] concerned about,

[1:42:26] this gentleman over here who was thinking

[1:42:27] that,

[1:42:30] the location of this

[1:42:31] operation would impact his property

[1:42:32] values and I'm wondering how, the

[1:42:36] rest

[1:42:39] of the commission feels about

[1:42:42] that. Because I'm thinking

[1:42:44] that this, operation is far enough away

[1:42:47] from that land to not impact it. But,

[1:42:48] maybe I'm wrong. I would

[1:42:51] like to

[1:42:54] see

[1:42:55] what others on the commission feel about that. ,

[1:42:57] I think I can support

[1:42:59] this project if all of the fencing was

[1:43:02] brick or some kind of stone fence

[1:43:03] of some

[1:43:04] sort. Something that's attractive

[1:43:06] to the area

[1:43:09] and build it up. I'm not

[1:43:11] really excited about the chain link

[1:43:14] fence and or, any of that. Plus it

[1:43:15] would mitigate

[1:43:18] any potential run off

[1:43:21] so called if there would be

[1:43:24] any. You know fluids and

[1:43:27] what not that would not

[1:43:30] be you wouldn't want to see go elsewhere

[1:43:33] from dog urine or

[1:43:36] whatever. I think that's my initial thought.

[1:43:37] >>

[1:43:39] thank you. You can have

[1:43:42] a seat. Other thoughts by the commission. Sue.

[1:43:43] >>

[1:43:44] you

[1:43:45] know, initially I thought this was

[1:43:46] probably a good

[1:43:48] conversion use of a day care

[1:43:50] into a doggy day care. Burr listening

[1:43:51] to some of

[1:43:53] the residents and what they really had

[1:43:54] to

[1:43:57] say about it, I'm not sure in this

[1:43:59] particular location that it's really

[1:44:00] good based

[1:44:02] on the foot traffic and the proximity to

[1:44:04] the montessori and to the other day

[1:44:06] care and to the high schoolers walking

[1:44:07] by. You

[1:44:09] know those high

[1:44:11] schoolers are going to atphroeu --

[1:44:12] to annoy

[1:44:14] those dogs as they walk by. Any way,

[1:44:15] I don't know

[1:44:18] if this is the best spot in this. There's another

[1:44:19] day

[1:44:20] care for sale on the other side of

[1:44:21] the creek

[1:44:24] with no residents. But any way. I

[1:44:27] don't

[1:44:30] know

[1:44:33] that I can support the approval of

[1:44:34] this.

[1:44:35] >>

[1:44:36] okay. I wanted to understand what this

[1:44:37] land

[1:44:39] use potentially could be like. I visited

[1:44:42] other locations in coppell just driving

[1:44:43] around. Just

[1:44:44] listening for sounds, things like

[1:44:48] that. So there's one

[1:44:51] there, more or less on the north quadrant of mcarthur

[1:44:54] and belt line. And I detected no

[1:44:57] smells. There was operations when

[1:45:00] the door opened. I could hear dogs barking. There

[1:45:01] was

[1:45:03] a brick fence on one end. Some dogs

[1:45:04] were

[1:45:05] out playing. I could hear them. But,

[1:45:06] then I decided

[1:45:09] to check with

[1:45:12] some of the

[1:45:15] folks that lived

[1:45:16] in that adjacent neighborhood. And

[1:45:18] kudos

[1:45:21] to coppell residents for not opening the

[1:45:24] doors for strangers. But I

[1:45:26] found some folks walking. So I asked

[1:45:27] them questions. And

[1:45:30] they were you know,

[1:45:33] they were at 500 feet plus and

[1:45:36] from the alley of

[1:45:39] I believe it was crestview

[1:45:45] or, I lost it

[1:45:47] here. Yeah crestview.

[1:45:48] >> for clarification

[1:45:49] you're talking about camp bowwow.

[1:45:50] >>

[1:45:51] yes.

[1:45:52] >>

[1:45:53] from the alley,

[1:45:55] I could hear the dogs. So

[1:45:56] that's over 400 plus feet. And but

[1:45:58] the residents, that

[1:46:00] I spoke with they didn't have any problem. They

[1:46:01] said

[1:46:02] they could hear them, you know. They

[1:46:04] were fine with it. But no

[1:46:07] big deal. The second location I

[1:46:10] went to was

[1:46:13] the one just on

[1:46:16] the southeast

[1:46:19] corner of denton tap and sandy

[1:46:22] lake

[1:46:26] there by, by victor's. I'm looking

[1:46:28] for the

[1:46:31] name here. It's right

[1:46:34] there by

[1:46:36] the rock & roll.

[1:46:37] >> dogtopia. >> dogtopia

[1:46:38] yes thank you

[1:46:39] for that. So I spoke with residents behind

[1:46:40] there

[1:46:42] on glenview. Because they're a lot

[1:46:45] closer. The residents I spoke with there,

[1:46:46] actually one guy

[1:46:47] over here answered his door. He said

[1:46:49] that he's

[1:46:52] never had a problem. The noise,

[1:46:53] not a problem. Smell, not a problem. Then

[1:46:57] I decided, let me check with some

[1:46:58] of the

[1:47:00] adjacent commercial businesses if there's

[1:47:01] any issues. And

[1:47:04] so I went to

[1:47:07] the zalot's and the

[1:47:10] rock & roll, rock of school rock

[1:47:11] of ages whatever it is. The restaurant

[1:47:13] couldn't really hear anything

[1:47:14] other than when the dogs were going

[1:47:16] in and out. Rock &

[1:47:18] roll place there, they could hear

[1:47:19] them

[1:47:20] through the wall. But they have drones and guitars

[1:47:22] going

[1:47:25] so it kind

[1:47:27] of blended in. I didn't hear really

[1:47:28] anything negative. But

[1:47:31] as I consider this site and I consider

[1:47:34] the comments we've received here regarding just

[1:47:37] the proximity

[1:47:40] of

[1:47:43] other children's

[1:47:45] abg tiffties -- activity, and the

[1:47:46] proximity

[1:47:47] of residents. Especially the resident

[1:47:49] that's been here

[1:47:52] since 1969. She looks

[1:47:54] awful young for being here since 1969. I'm

[1:47:55] not against

[1:47:58] the use but I think

[1:48:01] this may

[1:48:02] not be the location. Are there any

[1:48:04] other

[1:48:05] thoughts or final comments by the commission?

[1:48:06] >>

[1:48:07] I think the convenience of it being

[1:48:08] within

[1:48:09] the community, no different than when

[1:48:10] we do look

[1:48:11] for a day care. I like it near by

[1:48:13] my home

[1:48:16] so that I can

[1:48:18] pick up and drop off kids. Dogs. It

[1:48:20] would be an interesting study, 71

[1:48:22] dogs versus

[1:48:25] 180 kids which one

[1:48:27] is louder in the day. This happens

[1:48:28] to

[1:48:30] be a larger commercial property and

[1:48:31] this property just

[1:48:34] happens to be

[1:48:37] on one side of

[1:48:39] it. But the over all residential area

[1:48:43] was built adjacent to

[1:48:46] a large commercial property. So

[1:48:49] the church noise,

[1:48:50] the other noise. I'm mixed, I am mixed

[1:48:52] because of its --but I think

[1:48:55] there's a value

[1:48:58] and

[1:48:59] a convenience of it as well being

[1:49:01] so close.

[1:49:02] >> with

[1:49:07] that said is there a

[1:49:13] motion by

[1:49:16] the commission?

[1:49:17] >>

[1:49:19] okay I move to

[1:49:22] approve pd178r2r-cu at 145

[1:49:25] west

[1:49:28] town center

[1:49:31] drive. A zoning

[1:49:36] change request from pd178r2r-planned

[1:49:37] develop to-78 commercial

[1:49:38] two pd178r2rc planned development. 178

[1:49:40] revision to

[1:49:42] commercial to revise the detailed

[1:49:46] site plan for building b at 145

[1:49:49] west town center. Which was a former child

[1:49:52] day care center subject to

[1:49:54] staff conditions.

[1:49:55] >> okay we have

[1:49:56] a

[1:49:57] motion by commissioner hafemann is

[1:49:58] there a second.

[1:49:59] >> I

[1:50:00] will second.

[1:50:01] >> I'm sorry. There was

[1:50:02] a

[1:50:04] second okay so we have a

[1:50:07] motion

[1:50:10] by commissioners hafemann

[1:50:13] and a

[1:50:16] essential

[1:50:18] by commissioner dobmeier.

[1:50:19] >> commissioner

[1:50:20] dobmeier.

[1:50:21] >>

[1:50:22] aye.

[1:50:23] >> blankeship. >>

[1:50:24] nae.

[1:50:25] >> commissioner patel. >> aye. >>

[1:50:26] and commissioner bishop.

[1:50:27] >> nae.

[1:50:28] can you hear me?

[1:50:29] >> yeah, we got

[1:50:31] you now. So

[1:50:34] that, motion is a tie. That motion

[1:50:35] is

[1:50:37] a tie. That motion fails. So we

[1:50:40] need

[1:50:43] another

[1:50:46] motion

[1:50:49] by the commission. Sue.

[1:50:50] >> I motion

[1:50:52] to deny consideration of

[1:50:55] pd-178r2r-c.

[1:50:56] >> we have a denial by commissioner

[1:50:58] blankenship. I will second that

[1:51:01] motion. Cammy

[1:51:07] would you call the roll

[1:51:11] please.

[1:51:12] >> commissioner dobmeier. >> nae. >>

[1:51:16] vice chair blankenship.

[1:51:17] >>

[1:51:19] aye.

[1:51:20] >> commissioner haas. >>

[1:51:22] commissioner

[1:51:25] bishop.

[1:51:26] >> aye. >> so

[1:51:27] that motion fails. We're landlocked.

[1:51:28] >>

[1:51:29] as a matter of law,

[1:51:31] it requires a majority to

[1:51:33] be approved. That means 50% plus one. You

[1:51:34] did not

[1:51:37] receive 50% plus one so it's

[1:51:40] denied.

[1:51:41] >> so it's denied. >>

[1:51:42] yes, sir.

[1:51:43] >> okay. So the application

[1:51:44] as presented

[1:51:46] is denied. You have the ability to

[1:51:47] appeal to

[1:51:48] council for your application. But

[1:51:50] thank you to those

[1:51:53] who came

[1:51:56] tonight

[1:51:59] and the

[1:52:02] input

[1:52:05] for that. Okay, moving

[1:52:06] on. Item nine. Considering approval

[1:52:07] of pd-296r-li, samaritans purse addition

[1:52:11] lot 1r block

[1:52:13] a, a zoning change request from pd-296-li. I'm

[1:52:14] sorry. Let

[1:52:17] me

[1:52:20] back up

[1:52:22] here. A zoning change request from planned development

[1:52:25] to 96 light development and revised light

[1:52:26] industrial. To add parking lot

[1:52:29] to add a parking lot to

[1:52:31] the south of the existing planned development

[1:52:32] for parking

[1:52:35] and update the

[1:52:38] existing site plan for

[1:52:41] a new additional 37,699 square

[1:52:43] foot three story professional building office building

[1:52:44] located

[1:52:46] on approximately 13 acres of land on the

[1:52:48] west side of creek view drive approximately

[1:52:50] 525

[1:52:53] feet north of

[1:52:56] bethel road at the request

[1:52:57] of samaritan's purse and fellowship

[1:52:59] purse. And

[1:53:02] being represented by kelsey

[1:53:03] campbell. We have a staff presentation by mrs.

[1:53:05] mary prune boswell.

[1:53:06] >>

[1:53:08] mr. Chairman if you choose to you

[1:53:11] can also, do the replat of

[1:53:12] the two lots that would result. If

[1:53:14] you will just

[1:53:17] read that first sentence that will

[1:53:18] get us to that issue.

[1:53:19] >> is anybody

[1:53:22] opposed on the commission on that? Okay. So

[1:53:23] we're

[1:53:26] going to

[1:53:29] combine nine and 10. Item

[1:53:32] 10 is a

[1:53:34] public hearing to consider approval

[1:53:35] of samaritan's purse

[1:53:38] addition lot 1r and two block

[1:53:40] a replat. A plat request to create

[1:53:41] two lots

[1:53:43] extending lot 1r south of the existing

[1:53:47] planned development to be used for additional parking

[1:53:50] and the existing gas well

[1:53:52] site on lot 2 on approximately 27.6

[1:53:56] acres of land located

[1:53:59] on the west side of creekview

[1:54:01] drive approximately 525 feet north of

[1:54:05] bethel road at

[1:54:08] the request of fellowship

[1:54:11] church

[1:54:13] fka fellowship in hras colinas being

[1:54:15] represented by kelsey campbell, kimley-horn

[1:54:17] & associates.

[1:54:18] >> all the

[1:54:20] property was

[1:54:22] once owned by fellowship church. A

[1:54:23] portion was sold

[1:54:24] to samaritan's purse and developed

[1:54:26] as warehouse space. This is

[1:54:29] an expanse of the samaritan

[1:54:31] purse site. So there's two main changes. One

[1:54:32] is

[1:54:35] to remove parking for the addition

[1:54:38] of a

[1:54:41] new three story building. The

[1:54:44] location of the new building

[1:54:47] necessitated the parking and the fire

[1:54:49] lane. The new buildings large floor will

[1:54:50] include staff

[1:54:52] devotion for 70 and guest training. The

[1:54:55] second floor will house 30 of their

[1:54:57] information technology staff and the

[1:54:59] third floor is for future

[1:55:02] growth. In order to accommodate

[1:55:05] the new building and the parking associated

[1:55:06] with it,

[1:55:08] and the parking that was lost to the new

[1:55:09] building footprint

[1:55:11] a new parking

[1:55:14] lot will be constructed

[1:55:15] south of the existing lot. The new

[1:55:18] parking is the second main change. So

[1:55:20] they are

[1:55:23] plotting some land to the

[1:55:25] south to -- the required parking. They're

[1:55:26] removing 60

[1:55:29] spaces and adding back

[1:55:32] 176 for a grand total of 399 spaces

[1:55:33] on-site. So the elevation shows that the

[1:55:35] majority of the

[1:55:38] building will be brick with a

[1:55:40] small portion to be stucco. There

[1:55:41] are three

[1:55:44] brick

[1:55:47] colors proposed. The stucco will be a

[1:55:49] pepper corn color. Here we're looking at

[1:55:50] the elevations

[1:55:51] of the new three story building. It's

[1:55:53] just under 200

[1:55:56] feet of height. It will have

[1:55:57] a canopy on the front. In terms of

[1:55:59] building signage I know there's one

[1:56:00] shown

[1:56:02] on the diagram here on

[1:56:06] the illustration but it's just for

[1:56:14] illustrative purposes. In terms of landscaping,

[1:56:15] so that

[1:56:16] they meet the site requirement staff

[1:56:17] will

[1:56:20] be working with the applicant for tree

[1:56:21] placement along

[1:56:23] creek view drive. Since there is a major

[1:56:26] gas easement

[1:56:28] that runs parallel to the street. Staff

[1:56:31] is requesting a condition that would allow us to

[1:56:35] administratively approve any

[1:56:36] landscaping to the easement. They

[1:56:38] are proposing 40 trees, 19 trees

[1:56:41] in the parking and outdoor patio

[1:56:43] area. The new parking area will require

[1:56:44] existing

[1:56:47] trees to be removed, so the

[1:56:50] applicant will be requesting that

[1:56:51] the

[1:56:53] fees for tree mitigation

[1:56:56] be waived. This can only

[1:56:59] be done by council. So

[1:57:02] let's see here. In addition there's

[1:57:07] a larger tree that requires city council

[1:57:08] approval as well. So

[1:57:10] now we're looking at the northern

[1:57:11] portion

[1:57:13] of the site. So the blue represents

[1:57:14] the new building. And then

[1:57:17] just to the

[1:57:20] left of that

[1:57:23] you will

[1:57:26] see

[1:57:29] the new patio area with pergola that they're

[1:57:30] planning. Again

[1:57:32] this was a zone

[1:57:35] change request. We did send out

[1:57:38] notifications within 200

[1:57:41] feet. Additional courtesy within 800

[1:57:42] feet and received no responses. And

[1:57:44] we do have conditions,

[1:57:46] so staff is recommending approval of

[1:57:47] the request

[1:57:50] subject to the following conditions. One

[1:57:51] that

[1:57:53] there may be additional

[1:57:55] comments during the building, comment. Two

[1:57:56] that a replat will

[1:58:00] be required and recorded prior

[1:58:01] to building permit. Three that if

[1:58:03] tree mitigation fees

[1:58:06] are not waived that

[1:58:09] the mitigation fees be

[1:58:11] paid prior to plat recordation. Three,

[1:58:14] to allow staff to administratively

[1:58:17] approve my changes related to the landscaping

[1:58:19] in the 30-foot gas easement. Five that

[1:58:21] a

[1:58:24] signage must comply with the

[1:58:25] city ordnances. And six, a downstream

[1:58:27] drainage analysis will be

[1:58:30] required in order to

[1:58:31] determine whether storm water detention

[1:58:33] is needed. I'm

[1:58:35] going to go through item 10. Item

[1:58:36] 10

[1:58:37] is essentially the companion piece. So

[1:58:39] it's

[1:58:42] a plat, the plat

[1:58:43] to create two lots which includes extending

[1:58:45] plot one

[1:58:47] to be used for the additional parking

[1:58:48] and lot two

[1:58:49] will consistent of the existing gas

[1:58:51] well

[1:58:52] and the remainder of the existing tract. So

[1:58:54] the one

[1:58:57] in yellow is

[1:59:00] the new lot

[1:59:03] for the samaritan's first

[1:59:06] expansion.

[1:59:09] and

[1:59:11] again, this is the companion piece. So

[1:59:12] in

[1:59:15] terms

[1:59:17] of recommendation, staff recommends

[1:59:20] approval of the samaritan's purse fellowship

[1:59:22] addition replat. That additional comments

[1:59:24] may be

[1:59:25] generated upon detail engineering

[1:59:26] permit reviews. That's the end of

[1:59:27] my presentation and the applicant is

[1:59:30] here in the audience as well if

[1:59:31] you have any questions.

[1:59:32] >> okay. Thank

[1:59:33] you mary. Two

[1:59:36] questions, you think

[1:59:39] you can go back to the

[1:59:41] conditions. One tree mitigation fees

[1:59:45] are if they're not

[1:59:48] waived the mitigation

[1:59:50] --so the applicant is requesting waving

[1:59:51] of the mitigation.

[1:59:52] >> yes. >>

[1:59:53] what's the reason for that?

[1:59:54] >> I guess

[1:59:55] you can ask

[1:59:56] them.

[1:59:57] >> did they express any concern

[1:59:58] to staff.

[1:59:59] >> no they just

[2:00:00] said that they were asking for

[2:00:02] waiver of the fees.

[2:00:03] >> and then with

[2:00:04] regards to administratively

[2:00:05] approve the changes on landscaping,

[2:00:06] if we were

[2:00:08] to remove that. What would be required? They

[2:00:12] would have to come through the

[2:00:14] planning zoning commission again?

[2:00:15] >>

[2:00:16] yeah, we're just

[2:00:18] asking because, with

[2:00:20] the easement there, we may need to

[2:00:21] kind

[2:00:23] of jockey where the trees are located. Maybe

[2:00:24] not

[2:00:26] necessarily have them spaced accordingly. We may

[2:00:27] have

[2:00:29] to group them in other areas. It just

[2:00:30] allows us some flexibility

[2:00:32] so we don't have to come back to say

[2:00:33] hey

[2:00:36] this isn't working, now we

[2:00:38] have to do this.

[2:00:39] >> understood there. The

[2:00:40] elevations, the proposed three

[2:00:41] story building, how does the height

[2:00:42] of that,

[2:00:45] does it align

[2:00:47] with the height of the current building?

[2:00:48] >>

[2:00:49] I think the

[2:00:50] current building might be a little bit shorter

[2:00:51] but

[2:00:54] everything around there

[2:00:57] is light industrial. And it

[2:01:00] backs

[2:01:03] up to like citigroup

[2:01:05] vine.

[2:01:06] >> --city grapevine. >> so there's nothing

[2:01:07] that.

[2:01:08] >> right, right. >>

[2:01:09] the waving of the tree mitigation

[2:01:12] that's not part of this for planning

[2:01:13] and

[2:01:14] zoning to approve. It's not part of

[2:01:15] this application.

[2:01:16] >> any fee

[2:01:18] is not part of

[2:01:19] your purview so that will go straight

[2:01:21] to city council.

[2:01:22] >>

[2:01:24] so mary, if it's not part of our purview

[2:01:25] why is it brought

[2:01:27] up before

[2:01:30] us.

[2:01:31] >> it's

[2:01:32] just part of the conditions.

[2:01:33] >> okay. Any other

[2:01:36] questions of staff? In

[2:01:37] the cross-examination. Okay. Thank

[2:01:39] you. Is the applicant

[2:01:43] here? Mrs. Campbell to present the

[2:01:51] case. Mr. Campbell.

[2:01:52] >> yes

[2:01:54] I'm craig yancy. 1201 creek view

[2:01:56] drive for samaritan's first coppell. Good

[2:01:57] to see some

[2:01:59] familiar faces.

[2:02:00] >> it's been a while. >>

[2:02:01] yeah. It's been

[2:02:03] about 15 I

[2:02:06] think. I'm glad to answer any questions.

[2:02:07] >>

[2:02:08] okay. It's not within our purview but

[2:02:09] why are

[2:02:10] we requesting waving of the tree mitigation.

[2:02:11] >>

[2:02:12] sure we asked for them last time

[2:02:15] as well. And it was denied. I think

[2:02:18] it was a split vote. But samaritan

[2:02:19] first

[2:02:20] is a global ministry and if you, obviously

[2:02:21] the intent

[2:02:24] of the preordnance is for

[2:02:27] a developer to

[2:02:28] preserve trees wherever possible. And

[2:02:29] to, supplement the parks department

[2:02:30] to replace those trees

[2:02:33] and where they

[2:02:36] can be planted.

[2:02:39] I

[2:02:42] totally understand that. It would

[2:02:43] be,

[2:02:45] it is a global ministry and

[2:02:47] it is a faith based organization. If

[2:02:48] this was

[2:02:51] a regular develop. We would not ask

[2:02:52] to waive

[2:02:54] it.

[2:02:55] >> is samaritans purse were ever

[2:02:56] to leave

[2:02:57] this location, those trees would be

[2:02:58] brought down

[2:02:59] and another development came in and

[2:03:03] if it were waived, then we would,

[2:03:06] lose the trees. I guess, it's not within

[2:03:08] my purview.

[2:03:09] >> I don't mind telling

[2:03:10] you. I think if

[2:03:12] their 40 years of existence

[2:03:15] they never sold real estate any where. And

[2:03:16] you

[2:03:18] know, the flip side as well

[2:03:21] that it's owned by fellowship church. At

[2:03:23] any time fellowship church could have

[2:03:24] developed it for church

[2:03:27] use and there would

[2:03:30] not be any mitigation fees

[2:03:33] because churches are

[2:03:36] completely excluded. I'm sure you

[2:03:37] would correct

[2:03:39] me if I'm wrong.

[2:03:40] >> this is just more

[2:03:41] of

[2:03:42] a curiosity question. So would putting

[2:03:43] the new building

[2:03:45] there and you're removing I think mary

[2:03:47] said 71 parking spaces but you're adding

[2:03:48] in 130

[2:03:50] something. I don't remember the number. Why

[2:03:51] the additional spaces?

[2:03:52] >>

[2:03:54] when we first looked at this,

[2:03:57] this was all driven by needing a place

[2:03:59] to put cloud support, it people. So

[2:04:02] and we're totally out of office space

[2:04:03] in the building. And so that wasn't

[2:04:06] an option to keep building out space

[2:04:08] in the building. They even discussed

[2:04:09] doing two floors in the building and

[2:04:10] I told them

[2:04:13] you would have to be out of

[2:04:16] here

[2:04:21] for a year while we remodeled it

[2:04:25] and it would be

[2:04:28] cry --crazy money. We went

[2:04:30] to --the last manhole for sanitary

[2:04:31] sewer is

[2:04:33] right at that bend creek view. So I

[2:04:34] had

[2:04:37] to run 200

[2:04:40] feet

[2:04:41] when we built the first building. The

[2:04:43] private sewer

[2:04:46] line was put so they

[2:04:48] could develop on bethel road. Dbt

[2:04:51] has been acquired by proledges. Prolodges

[2:04:55] is very nice to us. They've

[2:04:56] been a temporary landlord and we love

[2:04:58] prolodges but we have

[2:04:59] been unable to get permission from

[2:05:01] them to use their

[2:05:02] sanitary sewer line. I don't blame

[2:05:04] them. If ever they would

[2:05:06] ask me, I would say no. I don't want

[2:05:07] a tenant

[2:05:10] calling me with a problem

[2:05:13] and I have this

[2:05:14] other guy calling me about it. We're

[2:05:16] given up on

[2:05:19] that. And we're not

[2:05:22] upset about it. But

[2:05:25] this lot

[2:05:26] is undeveloppable without sewer. The

[2:05:28] most logical thing

[2:05:30] to do is put parking there. We located

[2:05:31] the building so

[2:05:32] it would make all the existing driveways

[2:05:34] align and so everything just worked

[2:05:36] out. That's how I ended up with 35

[2:05:37] feet between the truck

[2:05:39] work fence and the wall of this building. Since

[2:05:42] that becomes kind of an ugly space

[2:05:43] looking at

[2:05:46] the front court. That's how we

[2:05:49] got down the road of

[2:05:52] let's do some

[2:05:54] really nice landscaping, a pergola and

[2:05:55] try to make

[2:05:58] it an amenity. So that's how

[2:06:01] we got here.

[2:06:02] >> why the

[2:06:04] additional spaces.

[2:06:05] >>

[2:06:06] yeah, sure. During shoe box collection season,

[2:06:07] sorry,

[2:06:08] samaritan collects about 1,200 shoe boxes

[2:06:10] with a gift for children. I

[2:06:12] don't know if you're familiar with

[2:06:15] that. Coppell does about 10% of those

[2:06:16] it's

[2:06:17] a great distribution center. Those volunteers

[2:06:19] that come. Some

[2:06:22] of them come by bus. Some come

[2:06:25] car pooling. But in

[2:06:27] some cases we do shuttle people from

[2:06:28] a

[2:06:31] remote parking lot

[2:06:34] to shuttle

[2:06:36] them in during volunteer season. It's

[2:06:37] just

[2:06:39] mayhem really from thanksgiving to

[2:06:40] christmas. Then it's down

[2:06:41] to, the 50 people on staff. Half of

[2:06:43] them are disaster people and they're

[2:06:46] gone. I mean you can walk in there and

[2:06:47] those

[2:06:49] 25 people aren't even

[2:06:52] in the building. So this lot will be

[2:06:54] largely unused for most of the year. There

[2:06:55] are three

[2:06:57] occasions during the year when there's like

[2:06:58] ministry training that happens,

[2:07:00] that will happen at this new building. And

[2:07:01] so,

[2:07:03] part of this goal too is to not have

[2:07:07] to go rent hotel space. This could

[2:07:09] be done here on-site. Then every morning, every employee

[2:07:10] is

[2:07:12] required to go to devotion between

[2:07:13] 8:00

[2:07:16] and 8:30. So there's a quick

[2:07:17] prayer study. Then a missionary reports

[2:07:18] from something overseas and they watch

[2:07:19] a

[2:07:21] video. So that goes on every morning at

[2:07:22] the building. That's another

[2:07:24] reason they wanted the building here. They

[2:07:25] like all our people together so everyone

[2:07:27] has a sense of community there. So

[2:07:28] that the folks that work

[2:07:29] in the building now they're going to

[2:07:31] walk every morning at 8:00 a.m., come

[2:07:33] to this new building and be on the

[2:07:34] first floor. Do

[2:07:37] the

[2:07:40] half hour devotion

[2:07:42] and then go back to work.

[2:07:43] >> okay. I

[2:07:44] missed

[2:07:45] it.

[2:07:46] >> sure, they're going to stay at this

[2:07:47] building.

[2:07:48] >> the

[2:07:49] it people will work in this

[2:07:50] building. The people that I've got working

[2:07:52] here now there's about 40 people I

[2:07:55] guess on staff in the building now. Every

[2:07:56] morning they're

[2:07:58] going to walk to

[2:08:00] the new building. 100 yards, whatever

[2:08:04] it is

[2:08:06] for devotion.

[2:08:07] >> any other questions

[2:08:08] of the applicant? Okay, we may

[2:08:09] call you back for follow up questions. Is

[2:08:10] there anybody that

[2:08:13] would like to speak

[2:08:15] for or against the proposed application? Okay. Seeing

[2:08:16] none

[2:08:19] I will

[2:08:22] close the public

[2:08:24] hearing. Any discussion by the commission? Samit.

[2:08:25] >>

[2:08:26] if

[2:08:28] this parking lot is going to be

[2:08:31] predominantly unused do we need to

[2:08:34] create that much concrete area for, is

[2:08:37] there

[2:08:40] any alternative surfacing that

[2:08:43] won't

[2:08:46] create so much

[2:08:48] heat?

[2:08:49] >> not by our current ordnances. >>

[2:08:50] that is

[2:08:52] a great question. No

[2:08:55] surfaces that

[2:08:58] would

[2:09:00] allow for, permeation of water. Yeah. No,

[2:09:01] okay. So I

[2:09:03] have been to this site for several

[2:09:04] years preparing boxes. And I

[2:09:07] know exactly what you're talking about

[2:09:10] parking. And it, but

[2:09:12] because it's a great effort, and I'm surprised

[2:09:13] that, we couldn't park in

[2:09:16] this building across the street because

[2:09:17] they

[2:09:19] may tow us for a volunteer event. But

[2:09:22] any way, yeah. So I

[2:09:24] get it. It's a great operation. And

[2:09:25] I'm not

[2:09:27] going to speak about the tree mitigation

[2:09:28] but I just

[2:09:31] don't feel --it's not within our

[2:09:33] purview but we must come ply --comply

[2:09:34] with all

[2:09:37] of our ordnances. With

[2:09:43] that is there a

[2:09:49] motion by the commission? Nine

[2:09:55] and 10.

[2:10:01] yeah.

[2:10:04] >> I move

[2:10:07] to approve

[2:10:10] items 1 and 10, consider approval. Samaritans

[2:10:13] purse addition

[2:10:16] lot 1r block

[2:10:19] a

[2:10:22] zoning change request

[2:10:25] from pd26-li

[2:10:27] planned development 2-6 planned industrial. And

[2:10:28] light industrial

[2:10:30] revised light industrial to add a parking

[2:10:31] lot

[2:10:34] for parking

[2:10:37] and updates the existing site

[2:10:39] plan for new, additional 37,699 square

[2:10:40] foot three story professional

[2:10:43] office building. Do I

[2:10:46] need to

[2:10:47] read the whole thing. No, okay. With

[2:10:49] the conditions.

[2:10:50] >> as

[2:10:51] presented.

[2:10:52] >> as presented. >> okay

[2:10:53] we

[2:10:55] have

[2:10:58] a motion.

[2:10:59] >> clarification,

[2:11:01] and also in item 10.

[2:11:02] >>

[2:11:05] and also item

[2:11:08] 10, approval of the replat for

[2:11:09] lot 1r and two. With conditions.

[2:11:10] >>

[2:11:11] so we have a

[2:11:14] motion for items

[2:11:17] 9 and 10

[2:11:20] with conditions as presented. By

[2:11:23] commissioner patel

[2:11:26] is

[2:11:29] there second?

[2:11:30] >> second. >>

[2:11:32] by vice chair blankenship.

[2:11:33] >>

[2:11:35] commissioner dobmeier.

[2:11:36] >> aye. >>

[2:11:38] blankenship.

[2:11:39] >> aye. >>

[2:11:41] haas.

[2:11:42] >> aye. >>

[2:11:44] commissioner

[2:11:47] patel.

[2:11:48] >> aye. >> and commissioner

[2:11:50] bishop.

[2:11:51] >> aye. >>

[2:11:53] all

[2:11:56] approve.

[2:11:57] >>> item 11,

[2:11:58] consider approval of pd-250r26r2-h

[2:11:59] old town addition

[2:12:02] lot

[2:12:05] 4r block d

[2:12:08] a zoning

[2:12:10] change request from pd-250r26r-h planned development. To

[2:12:14] allow for

[2:12:17] a professional or medical

[2:12:20] office

[2:12:23] in addition to the

[2:12:26] retail

[2:12:27] already permitted on the property. At

[2:12:31] the request of diana ahmad being represented by

[2:12:35] bill

[2:12:38] peck of william peck &

[2:12:41] associates and

[2:12:44] we

[2:12:47] have a presentation

[2:12:49] by matthew steer.

[2:12:50] >> commissioners,

[2:12:53] the initial zoning change for the

[2:12:55] live work units was approved in august

[2:12:56] 2022. That was for

[2:12:58] a two story mixed use building with

[2:12:59] retail on the

[2:13:02] first floor. And then we

[2:13:05] would

[2:13:08] allow for two

[2:13:10] residential units on the second floor. Council

[2:13:14] approved a plan

[2:13:17] for a 775 square

[2:13:20] foot ice cream shop,

[2:13:25] on the first floor and then, 2,359

[2:13:26] feet of speck

[2:13:29] of restaurant uses on the

[2:13:32] first floor. That

[2:13:34] could also contain some retail. So

[2:13:38] the cakery has occupied the 759

[2:13:44] feet. So the site is approximately .25

[2:13:47] acres in

[2:13:49] size. Gross square foot gross floor area

[2:13:50] is, 10,200 square

[2:13:53] feet. That

[2:13:56] includes

[2:13:59] the two apartment

[2:14:02] units on

[2:14:05] the second floor. The existing

[2:14:06] is the restaurant and this was 225

[2:14:08] square feet of restaurant

[2:14:11] or retail space. So what they're proposing

[2:14:14] is to allow for this 2,300

[2:14:17] square feet to

[2:14:20] be

[2:14:22] medical or professional office. In

[2:14:23] addition to, restaurant

[2:14:26] or retail use. We sent

[2:14:29] out 19 notices within 200 feet. And

[2:14:32] a 133 within 800 feet received

[2:14:35] no

[2:14:38] responses either in

[2:14:41] favor or opposition. And

[2:14:42] unfortunately, staff is recommending

[2:14:44] denial. Of the requested addition

[2:14:45] of professional

[2:14:46] and medical offices to allowable uses

[2:14:47] on the first

[2:14:50] floor. So sites in the old

[2:14:53] town main street project, that were intended

[2:14:54] to be

[2:14:56] retail, have been

[2:14:59] converted over

[2:15:02] the years to medical

[2:15:04] and professional office uses. This

[2:15:05] property

[2:15:08] was conceptually planned for retail/restaurant uses

[2:15:11] initially. And the current mixed use

[2:15:13] plan development for this property was

[2:15:14] intentionally allowed in this

[2:15:15] instance with two apartments on the

[2:15:17] second floor to maximize the

[2:15:20] use of the property so that we

[2:15:22] could have retail and restaurant uses

[2:15:23] on the

[2:15:26] first floor. And that

[2:15:29] would generate activity in the area. And

[2:15:32] by allowing

[2:15:35] a medical office, or a professional office

[2:15:38] even in this

[2:15:41] 2,300 square foot

[2:15:47] area, that would take a

[2:15:50] way from a potential

[2:15:52] in this general area of old town. That

[2:15:53] concludes

[2:15:54] my presentation. I'll be happy to

[2:15:56] answer

[2:15:59] any questions and the

[2:16:00] applicant is in the audience. I've

[2:16:02] given a statement of

[2:16:05] the reasoning behind her

[2:16:07] request.

[2:16:08] >> okay. Very good. Any questions

[2:16:09] of staff? Sue.

[2:16:10] >>

[2:16:11] so matt, if this commission were to

[2:16:12] approve this, are there

[2:16:14] any

[2:16:17] staff conditions that

[2:16:20] would go along with that approval?

[2:16:21] >>

[2:16:22] no.

[2:16:23] >>

[2:16:24] thank you.

[2:16:25] >> because you're simply adding

[2:16:26] other

[2:16:29] land uses.

[2:16:30] >> correct, correct. We're

[2:16:32] just adding this professional

[2:16:35] medical office to the acceptable

[2:16:38] use.

[2:16:39] >> okay. As bob said all the

[2:16:41] former would apply.

[2:16:42] >>

[2:16:44] I heard live-work in there. Is this truly

[2:16:45] mixed

[2:16:47] use.

[2:16:48] >> this is truly mixed use. Did

[2:16:50] I say live work.

[2:16:51] >> I heard

[2:16:53] live work in there some where.

[2:16:54] >> oh,

[2:16:55] I

[2:16:56] apologize.

[2:16:57] >> is

[2:16:59] the applicant here to present the case.

[2:17:06] >>

[2:17:09] my name is diana ahmad. I'm the

[2:17:12] property

[2:17:18] owner at 67 main street.

[2:17:21] I also reside

[2:17:22] in coppel. I'm requesting to amend the allowed

[2:17:27] usage for

[2:17:28] 750 square feet of my property. The

[2:17:30] total size

[2:17:32] is 10,250 square feet. I'm only referring to

[2:17:33] less than

[2:17:35] 25% of the total square footage. This

[2:17:36] space that I'm

[2:17:39] referring to has been

[2:17:42] vacant for over two years now. During

[2:17:44] these two years and currently ongoing I

[2:17:48] have marketed the space

[2:17:50] for retail use. Spending thousands

[2:17:53] on-sites such as lukenet and co star. I

[2:17:54] have adjusting

[2:17:57] the price, have worked with

[2:18:00] brokers

[2:18:03] but until now have

[2:18:04] not been successful in securing a tenant. At

[2:18:06] the time it's not a lack

[2:18:08] of effort coming from my side it's

[2:18:09] really that

[2:18:12] the current allowed uses are

[2:18:14] not matching the market demand. I

[2:18:15] will continue my

[2:18:16] efforts to obtain a retail restaurant user

[2:18:18] but

[2:18:21] I have had to

[2:18:23] turn away numerous businesses that would

[2:18:27] be classified

[2:18:29] as professional offices or medical

[2:18:30] from

[2:18:32] insurance agencies, chiropractors,

[2:18:33] law firms, wellness

[2:18:35] clinics, and other low intensity tenants. I'm

[2:18:38]

[2:18:39] use. I'm open

[2:18:40] to conditions such as maintaining

[2:18:42] the glass door front

[2:18:45] design limiting

[2:18:47] some of the medical uses. And ensuring

[2:18:50] the space remains visually consistent

[2:18:51] with retail. Filling the

[2:18:54] vacant space will not only be

[2:18:56] beneficial to achieving the city's

[2:18:57] goals

[2:18:58] of having an active vibrant downtown

[2:19:00] area, it

[2:19:02] will help support the current bakery, and

[2:19:04] neighboring businesses. It will help

[2:19:06] prevent long term vacancy and

[2:19:07] reduce financial burden and align with

[2:19:09] all of our goals for old

[2:19:12] town. Thank you

[2:19:14] and I appreciate your time and consideration.

[2:19:15] >>

[2:19:16] thank you

[2:19:18] very much. Out of curiosity you mentioned that

[2:19:21] you have

[2:19:22] been courting other retail or restaurants. What

[2:19:24] was their

[2:19:27] reason

[2:19:29] for not signing on the dotted line?

[2:19:30] >>

[2:19:32] yes, so, there's a few reasons. For

[2:19:33] one, for example franchises

[2:19:36] I reached out to so many of them

[2:19:38] and their main concern is there's

[2:19:41] not enough car traffic that goes through old

[2:19:42] town

[2:19:45] coppell. When

[2:19:48] they say what is

[2:19:51] the average per hour,

[2:19:52] to the two closest cross streets. They

[2:19:54] have an app

[2:19:56] that will tell them. Even if I tell

[2:19:57] them we're crazy busy on

[2:19:59] saturday. I tell them there's a lot

[2:20:00] of opportunity because there's not

[2:20:02] too many options in the evening in

[2:20:03] that

[2:20:04] area or on the weekends. So that they

[2:20:06] can bring the life to the area. It's

[2:20:08] kind of in the center of old town. It

[2:20:09] can be a

[2:20:12] family hang out. You know all these

[2:20:15] things. So you know for

[2:20:18] a

[2:20:19] bigger franchises, it's not busy enough.

[2:20:21] and actually

[2:20:23] I everyone asked starbucks. I told

[2:20:24] them,

[2:20:27] you have the location at

[2:20:28] tom thumb that doesn't count. There's

[2:20:30] been a couple of

[2:20:31] first generation restaurants. So there's

[2:20:33] been a couple of people that

[2:20:36] have come and said okay I'm

[2:20:39] ready to sign the lease. And as you

[2:20:41] know, a responsible, you know property owner,

[2:20:42] when I start

[2:20:45] talking to them. You need to

[2:20:46] start thinking of your design. And

[2:20:48] you know, all

[2:20:49] these different things. When they

[2:20:51] start to actually go into the process,

[2:20:52] they have a concept, they're excited. You

[2:20:54] know the area

[2:20:57] looks like it would match

[2:20:59] their concept but when they start to

[2:21:00] go saying I need

[2:21:02] to pay for drawings. I need to get

[2:21:06] permits. I need to

[2:21:08] have license, people doing the work. You

[2:21:09] know things like

[2:21:11] that, they sometimes will shy away, you

[2:21:12] know. But I

[2:21:15] would say, you know and I live in

[2:21:16] coppell. I

[2:21:18] would love for there to be a really

[2:21:20] nice retail and restaurant place. I

[2:21:21] have friends that

[2:21:22] live right across the street. If I

[2:21:24] go to a nice restaurant I will

[2:21:27] ask for the owner. I will

[2:21:29] say hey why don't you come here. I've

[2:21:30] given so

[2:21:33] many tours to restaurant groups. And

[2:21:35] then even one guy he's like, well,

[2:21:36] I'll put a

[2:21:38] crumble cookie there, I said we have

[2:21:39] a bakery next door. Give

[2:21:42] me something else to

[2:21:44] work with. I really am trying and

[2:21:45] I'm still trying

[2:21:48] for that. I think because there are professional

[2:21:49] offices

[2:21:51] and kind of medical already in old town,

[2:21:52] that's

[2:21:53] what's driving those businesses to

[2:21:54] approach me. Because they

[2:21:57] see that it's already in the area. I

[2:22:00] think that's maybe why I'm you know

[2:22:01] getting

[2:22:03] more approached on that side than on retail

[2:22:04] or

[2:22:05] restaurant. And unfortunately I would

[2:22:06] say majority of the retail

[2:22:09] that have come are businesses that I don't

[2:22:12] feel are right for old town coppell. You

[2:22:15] know from even I think I've mentioned

[2:22:16] a

[2:22:18] previous, there's been cbd shops. There's

[2:22:19] been

[2:22:21] a lady,

[2:22:24] she actually makes it's

[2:22:29] bakery out of medical phaeurpb. --

[2:22:34] marijuana. She works with kids. There's

[2:22:39] been two tattoo artists. One massage

[2:22:40] parlor. Some of these businesses

[2:22:42] that just want to find a place

[2:22:45] any where that could be in

[2:22:48] a town. Even they'll market

[2:22:51] as high end. Even the cbd shop

[2:22:54] that has vapes at 200, $300. And

[2:22:57] I said there's high

[2:23:00] school kids I don't need

[2:23:03] them to hang out just doing cbd. They

[2:23:04] said,

[2:23:05] no, these are for the adults. I have

[2:23:06] a cigar shop that wanted

[2:23:09] to be in the building. We have residents

[2:23:12] upstairs. Some of these things are

[2:23:13] kind of the barrier. But

[2:23:15] still, I am still working with a couple of

[2:23:16] restaurants and

[2:23:18] retail and trying to see if

[2:23:21] they can come. Most of the brokers

[2:23:22] that

[2:23:23] do specialize in retail and restaurant,

[2:23:24] they'll tell

[2:23:27] me if they're going

[2:23:30] to come to coppell they would rather

[2:23:32] be on denton because of that traffic. In

[2:23:34] old town, people

[2:23:35] who aren't familiar with old town. They

[2:23:37] don't even

[2:23:38] know it's there, in a way. Unless

[2:23:40] you're from coppell

[2:23:42] in a way. I don't know if maybe there should

[2:23:46] be more marketing

[2:23:47] for the farmers market outside of coppell. Because

[2:23:50] I don't know anybody that lives outside

[2:23:52] of coppell that

[2:23:53] really knows about it. On my side, I'm

[2:23:55] really trying. I don't

[2:23:57] know what to do. When we first had

[2:23:59] the building zoned for retail and

[2:24:01] then I thought, we

[2:24:02] originally had it zoned I thought

[2:24:04] it was already zoned for

[2:24:07] restaurant. And so I had signed

[2:24:08] a lease with an ice cream shop. Then

[2:24:10] they came to

[2:24:12] the city and the city said no and

[2:24:13] said it's actually only retail. That

[2:24:16] was

[2:24:19] at the end of october. I

[2:24:22] signed that lease. I paid

[2:24:23] the commission. They spent tons of

[2:24:25] money on the design and

[2:24:28] so forth. But they didn't

[2:24:29] have everything they needed design for

[2:24:31] like november. December you

[2:24:34] guys, there was not a

[2:24:37] meeting for the

[2:24:40] holiday. I had signed in october. And

[2:24:41] via the agreement, by the end of january, they

[2:24:43] were everything was supposed to be set

[2:24:46] up for them to

[2:24:48] break ground. Like you know do their construction. And

[2:24:50] because we didn't get that january

[2:24:52] meeting, we didn't get the full

[2:24:55] approval. We had to postpone it

[2:24:56] all the way to march because there

[2:24:58] was a variance

[2:25:00] of where's the dumpster going to be

[2:25:01] for

[2:25:03] the restaurant. That delayed it another

[2:25:04] two months. So

[2:25:06] I had to cancel because I was you

[2:25:07] know

[2:25:10] kind of, outside of you know the scope

[2:25:12] of the lease. So I lost thousands

[2:25:13] just for that

[2:25:16] tenant. And then, they

[2:25:18] ended up opening a beautiful location in

[2:25:19] burleson. I stayed in

[2:25:22] touch. I said open your

[2:25:24] second location. You know. But it's

[2:25:25] now

[2:25:27] too far. They're doing well and coppell is

[2:25:28] really far. So

[2:25:31] I'm just giving

[2:25:34] examples

[2:25:37] of things that have happened, right. You

[2:25:39] know, on there. But yeah.

[2:25:40] >> so you've

[2:25:41] had several almost

[2:25:43] signed and in the

[2:25:46] end it became

[2:25:47] a hardship working through the process.

[2:25:48] >>

[2:25:49] yes.

[2:25:50] >> interesting. >> for that

[2:25:52] one example. But not in

[2:25:55] general, I mean. In general the city

[2:25:58] is always helpful and

[2:25:59] cooperative. I'm not complaining or anything

[2:26:01] like that. But I'm just

[2:26:04] pointing

[2:26:07] out

[2:26:10] kind of some

[2:26:13] of the things that happened.

[2:26:14] >> okay

[2:26:15] so, for potentially opening to include professional

[2:26:16] or

[2:26:19] medical offices, you

[2:26:22] say you're going to restrict high traffic,

[2:26:24] high intensity medical use such as urgent

[2:26:25] facilities. What

[2:26:27] other types of uses would you restrict?

[2:26:28] >>

[2:26:29] I mean

[2:26:31] if there was something you

[2:26:32] felt didn't align with coppell. You

[2:26:34] know

[2:26:37] with old town,

[2:26:39] you know I wouldn't have a problem. If

[2:26:40] there

[2:26:41] was opposition for medical, is it

[2:26:43] because there's certain medical

[2:26:45] practices you don't like what they

[2:26:46] do or what entails. I didn't know

[2:26:49] if there was something specific

[2:26:51] that you don't like about professional offices

[2:26:52] or medical that

[2:26:55] you would be concerned

[2:26:58] about. But that's why I

[2:26:59] said I wouldn't mind like having conditions. Still

[2:27:01] make

[2:27:03] it look like retail. Friendly for

[2:27:04] people to

[2:27:05] pass by and so forth. Even having

[2:27:06] these allowed uses doesn't mean I'm

[2:27:07] not going

[2:27:09] to have a restaurant or retail. I

[2:27:10] mean

[2:27:13] we do have a grease trap

[2:27:16] in place and so forth. But you know, and

[2:27:17] actually like

[2:27:19] to address like saying you want

[2:27:22] to have more

[2:27:25] abg activity in

[2:27:28] the evenings and weekends. There have

[2:27:29] been

[2:27:31] a few breakfast places that have come. Even if

[2:27:34] they were there. They

[2:27:37] wouldn't

[2:27:40] increase the traffic in the evening. But

[2:27:43] keeping it,

[2:27:46] it's

[2:27:49] not

[2:27:51] fair for our neighbors that are professional

[2:27:52] restaurant and retail. Even for

[2:27:54] our baker, they would like to have

[2:27:55] someone next

[2:27:58] door to bake for.

[2:27:59] >> so being an

[2:28:01] owner there, you're

[2:28:03] familiar with what works. What doesn't

[2:28:04] work. And there was

[2:28:06] a restaurant behind the twisted root.

[2:28:07] I don't know

[2:28:09] if that ever took off or whatever. But

[2:28:10] you've seen

[2:28:13] things come and go. So

[2:28:15] you're looking for a little flexibility. And

[2:28:16] if there

[2:28:19] was an office or medical office,

[2:28:21] you're still trying to recruit a retail

[2:28:22] or restaurant.

[2:28:23] >> yes. >>

[2:28:25] what kind of leases would you be

[2:28:27] signing. A year lease or something. So

[2:28:28] that you're

[2:28:30] still bringing in the opportunity

[2:28:31] for a restaurant or retail?

[2:28:32] >> so

[2:28:34] the nice part is

[2:28:37] with office space and so forth. It's

[2:28:39] easily, you can easily convert office

[2:28:40] space into retail or

[2:28:42] restaurant. If they wanted to do a

[2:28:43] short term

[2:28:45] lease. There's no problem with that. You

[2:28:46] know

[2:28:48] because it can easily be converted

[2:28:49] exactly if a

[2:28:50] good restaurant comes or something. But

[2:28:52] if I'm

[2:28:54] signing for a restaurant. Obviously

[2:28:55] we're going to look for

[2:28:57] five, 10 yearlong term leases would

[2:28:58] be favorable. Because you're

[2:29:01] going to be, it's new construction. So the

[2:29:02] walls, the

[2:29:03] bathroom, the kitchen, it's going

[2:29:04] to be stuff if there's

[2:29:07] a restaurant. And that's also one thing

[2:29:08] too. You want a restaurant

[2:29:09] that's going to do well. Because they're

[2:29:10] going to

[2:29:12] be spending a lot. The building will

[2:29:13] be

[2:29:15] altered so you want something that's going

[2:29:16] to make sense for the building

[2:29:19] and for the area. But I'm very flexible. I

[2:29:20] mean,

[2:29:22] if any of you guys have a side business

[2:29:23] as

[2:29:24] a restaurant you want to come. We'll

[2:29:25] take care of

[2:29:26] you. It's a great location.

[2:29:27] >> maybe

[2:29:28] an ice cream shop. But

[2:29:31] I might be

[2:29:34] nervous taking it through the

[2:29:37] process.

[2:29:38] >> no. No. Okay. Thank you for

[2:29:40] your presentation. Are

[2:29:43] there any

[2:29:46] questions of

[2:29:49] the applicant? Okay. Kent.

[2:29:50] >>

[2:29:52] is the, does the artsy cakery. Does

[2:29:53] that

[2:29:55] generate foot traffic or is it

[2:29:58] just uber eats.

[2:29:59] >> they're

[2:30:01] not a bakery. They custom cakes. But

[2:30:03] they do have cup cakes. Everything

[2:30:04] she makes is delicious. A little bit

[2:30:07] of

[2:30:09] traffic comes and so forth. But unfortunately,

[2:30:10] it's not that they're

[2:30:12] going to be there too long or something.

[2:30:13] >>

[2:30:14] how long have they

[2:30:15] been there at that facility?

[2:30:16] >> it's

[2:30:17] almost

[2:30:20] going to

[2:30:23] be, since

[2:30:25] they started construction almost two years.

[2:30:26] >>

[2:30:29] can I comment on that.

[2:30:30] >>

[2:30:31] yeah.

[2:30:32] >> yeah. Sure. >> I love that

[2:30:33] place. Artsy cakery

[2:30:34] when we walk our dog through old town,

[2:30:35] we'll stop there

[2:30:37] and get a couple of cookies and eat them

[2:30:38] outside. They

[2:30:41] have

[2:30:44] a couple of outside tables. I

[2:30:47] just think their food is really

[2:30:49] good.

[2:30:50] >> okay. >> and actually the

[2:30:53] owner

[2:30:56] for artsy

[2:30:59] cakery

[2:31:01] she had mentioned some cup cake shortening. It's

[2:31:02] always great. Any

[2:31:05] business that will be

[2:31:06] in my building. I will help promote

[2:31:09] it. Any food, restaurant. Any sort

[2:31:11] of business. My daughter is

[2:31:13] in high school, she's in varsity tennis. Any

[2:31:17] time there's

[2:31:20] an event and they

[2:31:23] say we need

[2:31:25] desserts I do say use artsy cakery. They

[2:31:26] do

[2:31:27] have some areas that they use. But

[2:31:29] I tell that to businesses all

[2:31:32] the time. You know,

[2:31:34] that I will be pushing it. And I'm

[2:31:36] on three tennis teams in coppell. So

[2:31:38] all the ladies

[2:31:41] on my team and

[2:31:43] so forth. They've all bought from

[2:31:44] artsy cakery. If there's

[2:31:46] a restaurant there. They will all

[2:31:47] support

[2:31:50] it. They will be

[2:31:51] there. That's the nice thing about coppell. We

[2:31:53] like to have

[2:31:55] the services and food in town. That's

[2:31:59] the sad part of not finding

[2:32:00] the right restaurant yet, you know.

[2:32:01] >>

[2:32:02] I have questions.

[2:32:03] >>

[2:32:04] sure.

[2:32:05] >> besides the bakery and then there's

[2:32:06] the residential

[2:32:07] on top and two different units. Are those

[2:32:08] both leased.

[2:32:09] >> yes

[2:32:10] the two apartments are both leased

[2:32:11] for two

[2:32:14] years and the bakery.

[2:32:15] >>

[2:32:17] 75% of the building is already leased.

[2:32:18] >>

[2:32:19] yes. And those apartments both of them

[2:32:20] leased out

[2:32:22] within five days of being listed with

[2:32:23] an agent.

[2:32:24] >>

[2:32:25] so you won't have any problem leasing

[2:32:26] those out.

[2:32:27] >> yeah, yeah. There's

[2:32:28] a few people that have told me that

[2:32:29] the

[2:32:32] leases end, they

[2:32:35] would love to go. They're

[2:32:38] really

[2:32:41] beautiful. Very

[2:32:43] high end. Tall ceilings. There's a

[2:32:44] vacancy if you're interested

[2:32:46] let me know.

[2:32:47] >> this is a public hearing

[2:32:48] is there

[2:32:50] anyone who would like to speak for

[2:32:52] or against the proposed application? Okay. I'm

[2:32:53] not going

[2:32:56] to close

[2:32:58] the public hearing just yet. As authorized

[2:32:59] by

[2:33:02] section 551.071 of the texas

[2:33:03] local government code, I'm requesting

[2:33:05] that we recess into executive

[2:33:08] session. I have some questions

[2:33:11] of our city attorney to

[2:33:12] address. So, the time is, 8:35. And

[2:33:14] we'll try to make it quick.

[2:51:33] >>> the time

[2:51:36] is 8:54 and we are now back

[2:51:39] into general session. I left the

[2:51:40] public hearing open on purpose. Is

[2:51:42] there anybody who would like to

[2:51:45] speak from the

[2:51:46] public for or against the proposed application? Okay,

[2:51:48] I

[2:51:51] will close the

[2:51:53] public hearing. Does the commission

[2:51:57] request the applicant for any

[2:51:58] final questions? Okay. Is there any

[2:52:00] discussion

[2:52:06] by the commission? Is there a

[2:52:12] motion by the

[2:52:21] commission? Okay.

[2:52:22] >>

[2:52:24] I motion denial of

[2:52:27] the requested addition of the professional

[2:52:28] medical offices to

[2:52:30] be

[2:52:31] allowable uses on the first floor. Not

[2:52:33] subject to staff.

[2:52:34] >>

[2:52:36] that's correct. So we have

[2:52:39] a motion to deny the

[2:52:40] proposed application. Commissioner

[2:52:41] blankenship is there a second.

[2:52:42] >>

[2:52:43] I

[2:52:45] will second.

[2:52:46] >>

[2:52:51] we have a second by commissioner

[2:52:55] patel.

[2:52:56] >> commissioner dobmeier. >>

[2:53:06] aye.

[2:53:07] >> blankenship. >> aye. >>

[2:53:18] commissioner haas.

[2:53:19] >> aye. >> you

[2:53:21] can appeal,

[2:53:22] it would require supermajority but

[2:53:24] we do recommend that.

[2:53:25] >>> item

[2:53:27] 12 this evening

[2:53:30] is

[2:53:32] a public hearing to consider approval

[2:53:33] of

[2:53:36] pd-214r10-c. The

[2:53:39] shops

[2:53:42] at sandy lake. Zoning change request from pd-214r2

[2:53:43] --

[2:53:45] c to r10

[2:53:48] --

[2:53:51] c to allow for the detailed

[2:53:53] planned development for 14,418 commercial

[2:53:54] center and a

[2:53:57] patio area on 2.03 acres of property located

[2:54:00] at the

[2:54:02] south side of sandy lake road. Approximately

[2:54:03] 560 feet

[2:54:06] west of denton

[2:54:09] tap

[2:54:12] road

[2:54:15] at the

[2:54:17] request of pete coppell. Being represented by

[2:54:18] d.r. Rankin

[2:54:21] pllc.

[2:54:22] >>

[2:54:25] can we include the replat

[2:54:28] of that.

[2:54:29] >> commissioner hafmann

[2:54:30] beat you to that. To consider approval

[2:54:31] of

[2:54:33] the shops at sandy lake addition lot one

[2:54:37] block a

[2:54:43] replat. The shops at sandy

[2:54:46] lake. A replat to revise

[2:54:49] the current plat and associated

[2:54:50] easements and fire lane configuration

[2:54:52] on 2.03

[2:54:54] acres of property located at the south

[2:54:57] side of sandy lake road approximately

[2:54:58] 56 to feet

[2:55:01] west

[2:55:04] of

[2:55:07] denton tap road at

[2:55:10] the request of

[2:55:11] peak coppell llc being represented

[2:55:12] by spooner and associates.

[2:55:13] >> this

[2:55:16] property was

[2:55:18] part of a larger development that included

[2:55:21] the development of arbor manors and

[2:55:25] tap and sandy lake

[2:55:26] road. The additional zoning was approved

[2:55:28] in 2007, with subsequent

[2:55:31] rezonings

[2:55:34] occurring with each detailed

[2:55:37] site plan for the commercial

[2:55:41] sites. This represents the final commercial

[2:55:46] piece to

[2:55:49] be developed. So what we're

[2:55:52] looking at on the left

[2:55:55] is the

[2:55:57] original pd. Concept versus the current

[2:56:01] proposal on

[2:56:03] the right. So the original pd shows

[2:56:04] two buildings out front adjacent to

[2:56:07] sandy lake with

[2:56:10] parking at the rear of the

[2:56:12] property. The current proposal has

[2:56:13] one building with a parking

[2:56:16] with one building toward the

[2:56:19] rear of the property

[2:56:22] and parking with

[2:56:23] the majority out front. The original

[2:56:25] pd shows,

[2:56:27] a driveway entrance on the west end

[2:56:28] side. The

[2:56:30] new proposal will also have a driveway

[2:56:31] on

[2:56:34] the west side but this will

[2:56:37] be

[2:56:40] in contingent with the

[2:56:42] verizon property. So they'll share

[2:56:43] one

[2:56:45] driveway. The original proposal showed

[2:56:46] a driveway entrance off

[2:56:49] of on the

[2:56:52] east side that goes

[2:56:54] into the hoa property for arbor manors. This

[2:56:55] current

[2:56:58] proposal does not share any type of

[2:57:01] driveway with

[2:57:03] the arbor manors and has there's no access

[2:57:07] to that drive or street

[2:57:10] approach. It will have a

[2:57:13] separate entrance

[2:57:16] off of sandy

[2:57:19] lake. So there we

[2:57:22] go. So the site is

[2:57:24] currently vacant. And the site plan

[2:57:25] shows

[2:57:27] 14,480 square foot proposed building will

[2:57:31] contain a mix

[2:57:32] of uses including retail, restaurant

[2:57:34] and medical. An outdoor patio is

[2:57:37] proposed on the western

[2:57:40] side of the building. There's a

[2:57:43] pd condition to allow the 500 square

[2:57:45] foot patio area without additional parking

[2:57:46] requirements. This

[2:57:48] has been approved in other developments. Any

[2:57:52] square footage over 500 square

[2:57:55] feet will require additional

[2:57:58] parking. There will be a driveway entrance

[2:57:59] from

[2:58:01] sandy lake road and a secondary

[2:58:04] shared access point from

[2:58:07] the neighboring verizon

[2:58:10] building to

[2:58:13] the west. There are two trash receptacles

[2:58:14] situated away from the residences. So

[2:58:15] during the initial proposal they actually

[2:58:16] had the trash cans on

[2:58:18] the rear of the property and we asked

[2:58:22] them

[2:58:24] to move it away from the residential. There's

[2:58:25] an

[2:58:26] existing 6-foot masonry screening

[2:58:31] wall between this and the residential

[2:58:34] property to

[2:58:37] the south. So here, we're

[2:58:39] looking at the building elevations. It's

[2:58:40] just around 19 feet

[2:58:43] with a wall at the front

[2:58:46] varying in height from

[2:58:49] 20 to 25 feet. Creating some

[2:58:52] articulation. The trash enclosures

[2:58:55] will match the building material

[2:58:58] as well. Building

[2:59:04] will be a combination of

[2:59:10] brick, aluminum store front. As

[2:59:13] I mentioned in terms

[2:59:15] of restaurant there is no drive-thru

[2:59:16] proposed. And they

[2:59:18] do have a monument signed proposed

[2:59:19] along

[2:59:22] sandy lake road. Which

[2:59:25] will share the

[2:59:26] same building materials as the building

[2:59:28] itself. So

[2:59:31] there's no signage presented for the

[2:59:34] buildings. Any proposed signage will

[2:59:37] need to comply with city requirements. Here

[2:59:39] we're looking at the landscaping. There'll

[2:59:40] be a 20-foot landscaping

[2:59:43] strip along sandy lake road and 15

[2:59:44] to 20

[2:59:45] feet along the southern perimeter. The

[2:59:46] eastern

[2:59:49] perimeter will see a large number

[2:59:50] of trees being preserved. Additional

[2:59:52] trees along the southern

[2:59:55] perimeter wall will also be preserved. In

[2:59:56] total

[2:59:58] 39 existing trees will be

[3:00:01] saved on-site. An

[3:00:04] additional 30

[3:00:07] trees will be planted on-site. And

[3:00:10] we also ask

[3:00:12] them to, create some more buffer screening

[3:00:13] where we have

[3:00:16] the parking at

[3:00:19] the rear of

[3:00:22] the site. So 36

[3:00:25] will be planted to provide

[3:00:26] additional screening along the perimeter. Now

[3:00:28] this

[3:00:31] is a zone change request. We

[3:00:34] did mail out notices. 26 within

[3:00:37] 200 feet. Additional 120 courtesy notices

[3:00:38] within 800

[3:00:40] feet. We did receive 10

[3:00:43] notices within

[3:00:46] the 200 feet

[3:00:48] in opposition. Additional five within

[3:00:50] the 800 feet. As

[3:00:53] a, general

[3:00:56] summary. I did hand you guys

[3:00:59] a table of their concerns. But

[3:01:00] basically it was increased traffic. Loss

[3:01:02] of the green

[3:01:05] space, decrease in

[3:01:11] the quality of life. And noise

[3:01:15] were the primary concerns. So staff is

[3:01:23] recommending approval of

[3:01:25] pd-214r10-c. Detailed engineering

[3:01:26] review will

[3:01:29] occur at the

[3:01:31] time of if you feel engineering submittal. To

[3:01:35] allow 500 square feet patio area

[3:01:38] per lot within

[3:01:41] the existing

[3:01:44] parking count. Additional pad

[3:01:47] owe

[3:01:50] space will require parking

[3:01:53] at 11:00 square feet. The downstream

[3:01:55] drainage analysis will need to be updated to

[3:01:56] address. I'm

[3:01:59] going to

[3:02:01] go through the plat. The plat is a

[3:02:02] companion item to plat 1a. The

[3:02:04] case that I just went over. The plat

[3:02:05] will

[3:02:08] take the existing lot, replat

[3:02:10] it to include the mutual access. Fire

[3:02:14] lanes and necessary utility

[3:02:17] easements for

[3:02:20] the development of the

[3:02:22] 14,480 square foot commercial. Staff

[3:02:26] is recommending approval of the shops at

[3:02:27] sandy

[3:02:29] lake addition lot 1 block

[3:02:32] a replat. Subject to the

[3:02:33] following conditions. That is the

[3:02:34] end of my application. The applicant is

[3:02:35] here

[3:02:37] as well if you have any questions.

[3:02:38] >>

[3:02:41] thank you mary. A couple of quick

[3:02:44] questions. So, the site

[3:02:45] originally came through. When was

[3:02:47] that?

[3:02:48] >> I believe some where around 2007. >>

[3:02:50] it's about the

[3:02:53] time when I first

[3:02:56] came on. A few days ago. And was

[3:02:59] the, was that all part of the

[3:03:00] entire arbor manors development. It's

[3:03:02] just that the residential went

[3:03:04] first or was this carved out?

[3:03:05] >> so

[3:03:08] when we look

[3:03:11] at, at this drawing up

[3:03:14] here. Can you

[3:03:17] see

[3:03:20] my arrow. My curser.

[3:03:21] >>

[3:03:23] yeah.

[3:03:24] >> everything that's

[3:03:26] outlined here, to here down

[3:03:29] here. Around here. And this, and I

[3:03:32] think yes some down here. This

[3:03:35] is all part of the initial

[3:03:38] development.

[3:03:39] >> okay. >> so,

[3:03:41] this was like

[3:03:42] I think a1, they had different letters. You

[3:03:44] zoom in and you can actually

[3:03:46] see it. So essentially it was always proposed

[3:03:50] that there would

[3:03:53] be some commercial here, here, and here. And

[3:03:56] this is retail. It's just a different

[3:03:59] color. Although these pieces

[3:04:02] were not part of that

[3:04:03] original development. But, you know,

[3:04:05] what's standard or typical

[3:04:07] along a thoroughfare like this is commercial

[3:04:08] development that acts

[3:04:11] as a buffer.

[3:04:12] >> okay. >> so when this

[3:04:14] came in, it was part, this

[3:04:16] was part of it as well. And this,

[3:04:17] and this. And

[3:04:20] this is just the

[3:04:22] last piece to get developed.

[3:04:23] >> okay. Thank

[3:04:24] you. So

[3:04:26] just, you confirmed for

[3:04:29] me that this is already entitled from

[3:04:30] the initial application.

[3:04:31] >>

[3:04:32] so this was the original concept

[3:04:35] plan. They're just comeing

[3:04:36] in with detailed plan.

[3:04:37] >> okay. With

[3:04:38] regards

[3:04:41] to parking can you remind me. Is parking

[3:04:42] equal to

[3:04:44] what's needed on-site or they're not overparked

[3:04:47] in any way are they?

[3:04:48] >> so

[3:04:49] according to what they're proposing,

[3:04:50] they have the

[3:04:52] amount of parking they need.

[3:04:53] >> the

[3:04:54] required amount.

[3:04:55] >> yes. >>

[3:04:56] they're not providing more?

[3:04:57] >> no,

[3:04:58] they might have one extra parking

[3:04:59] maybe a couple.

[3:05:00] >>

[3:05:02] okay.

[3:05:03] >> any other

[3:05:04] questions of staff by the commission? John.

[3:05:05] >>

[3:05:06] yes, so,

[3:05:08] we're not, we're just changing the

[3:05:11] site plan here not the permanent

[3:05:14] use.

[3:05:15] >> so there is, the restaurant portion

[3:05:17] of it. Does require a pd or a

[3:05:20] special use permit because

[3:05:23] it's a pd, it's you know,

[3:05:26] it's just additional use. But

[3:05:29] the, other commercial components are

[3:05:31] allowed by right.

[3:05:32] >> and the current

[3:05:33] plan square footage versus the

[3:05:35] plan the revised do you know what

[3:05:36] that was?

[3:05:37] >> I'm

[3:05:38] not sure if there was an exact number

[3:05:41] for the --

[3:05:42] >> so they're going from

[3:05:43] two buildings.

[3:05:44] >>

[3:05:45] right.

[3:05:46] >> two buildings at street side

[3:05:47] to

[3:05:48] one building offset from street side.

[3:05:49] >>

[3:05:50] right. So

[3:05:51] the main thing is

[3:05:53] going from two buildings to

[3:05:55] one. Basically flipping the site, so

[3:05:56] that the

[3:05:59] parking you know and traffic

[3:06:02] would be along sandy lake versus

[3:06:05] driving along the residential to the rear. And

[3:06:08] the current plan

[3:06:11] it appears contains some sort of an

[3:06:13] excess easement?

[3:06:14] >> correct. >> on

[3:06:15] the east side.

[3:06:16] >> so

[3:06:17] there's a verizon building over here. So

[3:06:18] they would come

[3:06:20] in. Instead of having a

[3:06:23] driveway here and one here, they're just

[3:06:24] sharing one

[3:06:26] driveway here.

[3:06:27] >> so there's no longer

[3:06:28] an easement

[3:06:29] requirement on the east

[3:06:31] side.

[3:06:32] >> so this is the west side. >>

[3:06:33] no I'm

[3:06:34] talking about the east side. In the

[3:06:35] current plan it

[3:06:38] seems there's

[3:06:41] an easement to

[3:06:42] the east going down to arbor manor.

[3:06:43] >> there

[3:06:44] is

[3:06:46] no proposal to go this way. There's

[3:06:47] no easement there.

[3:06:48] >> I'm

[3:06:49] just saying that's --

[3:06:50] >> the original. >>

[3:06:53] the prior plan

[3:06:54] was that, they've taken that away.

[3:06:55] >> right. >> okay, okay thank you. >>

[3:06:56] so that

[3:06:59] way they don't have, they don't

[3:07:03] have people driving through

[3:07:04] the neighborhood either.

[3:07:05] >> sure,

[3:07:06] yeah.

[3:07:07] >>

[3:07:08] and there's no, with this configuration

[3:07:10] there's no drive-thru like they won't have

[3:07:12] a drive-thru restaurant.

[3:07:13] >>

[3:07:15] yeah, okay. Very good. Any other

[3:07:18] questions of staff by the

[3:07:21] commission. Okay,

[3:07:24] is the applicant here

[3:07:30] to present the case.

[3:07:31] >>

[3:07:33] hello

[3:07:37] everyone. Thanks for having us tonight.

[3:07:44] I'm tyler abbey. We build retail centers

[3:07:45] like this all across

[3:07:47] texas. It's pretty common for us because

[3:07:48] of the

[3:07:49] way communities are built in texas

[3:07:51] now where there's

[3:07:52] residential communities and they have

[3:07:53] a commercial component along. So we

[3:07:54] have experience

[3:07:55] with these things and one of the things

[3:07:57] we typically

[3:07:59] tend to do is once we find a site,

[3:08:02] let's see, we're trying to you know align

[3:08:03] a bunch

[3:08:04] of different interests within our

[3:08:06] tenants and we

[3:08:08] want to make sure they can survive. And

[3:08:09] near

[3:08:10] by residents we're trying to align

[3:08:12] all

[3:08:13] these different interests. So when

[3:08:14] we got this site, our first, what

[3:08:15] we were trying to do is

[3:08:17] we want to make sure our product is successful

[3:08:18] but we wanted

[3:08:21] to minimize as much as we

[3:08:22] can the impact on the residents. Moving

[3:08:24] the building away

[3:08:25] in our experience is just the cars

[3:08:26] is what actually cause a lot of the

[3:08:27] disruption. And if

[3:08:29] you have in the front of the building

[3:08:30] when

[3:08:33] you open the front door

[3:08:35] you have the noise coming from there. So

[3:08:39] by flipping the building

[3:08:41] we have the cars and noise blocked

[3:08:42] as much as

[3:08:44] we can. The trees are above code. They're

[3:08:45] not

[3:08:47] required by code but we thought they

[3:08:48] were

[3:08:51] a nice addition as a buffer for the residential homes. The

[3:08:52] access easement going to the west

[3:08:55] I think is a nice improvement. For

[3:08:56] the original plan, in that it gets

[3:08:57] I think

[3:08:58] most people will travel that way to

[3:09:00] the median and they will come in through the

[3:09:03] median I think that will keep people. I

[3:09:06] think that

[3:09:09] will be the more commonly used

[3:09:10] opening. And, yeah, ultimately this

[3:09:12] is, I think maybe the

[3:09:15] biggest thing is we specifically

[3:09:18] chose not to use

[3:09:21] a drive-thru. We don't

[3:09:23] do drive-thrus when there's residential neighborhoods

[3:09:24] like this. Honestly

[3:09:26] never again. That's what we find cause

[3:09:27] the most disruption. These

[3:09:29] are never going to be perfect solutions

[3:09:30] for everyone. Back

[3:09:33] in 2007 when this was zoned, you know

[3:09:34] was chosen to be a commercial site, you know,

[3:09:36] it made

[3:09:39] a lot of sense. I think it makes all the sense now

[3:09:41] given the traffic on sandy lake. This

[3:09:42] is

[3:09:45] a commercial area. But we do understand that there's

[3:09:47] residential near by and there's things

[3:09:48] we need to do. So we're

[3:09:49] going to do our best to accommodate

[3:09:51] their concerns as much as we

[3:09:53] can. Some of that is in the design. Some

[3:09:54] of that

[3:09:55] is in the field we'll have the, you

[3:09:57] know those emergency lights

[3:09:59] in the back of the building we'll

[3:10:00] have the, the city or

[3:10:02] the fire department come out and we'll say. What

[3:10:03] is

[3:10:06] the lowest we can put these and still

[3:10:09] meet code. So we can be

[3:10:10] cognizant of light, cognizant of sound. We

[3:10:12] took the

[3:10:13] city's advice on the dumpsters and

[3:10:15] we moved those away as

[3:10:18] far as possible. And

[3:10:20] so, happy to take any questions on

[3:10:21] this. There's not perfect solutions when

[3:10:24] it comes to these but

[3:10:27] we tried

[3:10:30] our best. And we'll be sure to

[3:10:33] have our the residents near by

[3:10:34] when we're able to start construction. They

[3:10:35] will have my contact information and they'll

[3:10:36] be able to

[3:10:39] reach out to me if they have

[3:10:42] any concerns. That's all we have.

[3:10:43] >>

[3:10:45] thank you

[3:10:48] for that. I see the

[3:10:50] reversal of the site to limit the

[3:10:51] noise. The

[3:10:53] cross easement I think is huge. Kudos

[3:10:57] for being able to

[3:11:00] help navigate that to secure

[3:11:02] that. Were there any specimen trees lost

[3:11:03] on this?

[3:11:04] >> so

[3:11:06] there were, I don't

[3:11:09] know if dawn knows this

[3:11:11] more specifically. Dawn is our civil

[3:11:12] engineer that helped designed this.

[3:11:13] >>

[3:11:15] I know you're replacing

[3:11:18] and I know it's heavily wooded and I

[3:11:21] know it's going to create some comment. But

[3:11:24] we recognize that this has been approved

[3:11:27] and entitled we're basically modifying

[3:11:28] the site

[3:11:30] to make it better.

[3:11:31] >>

[3:11:33] that's our view as well. And we, you know,

[3:11:34] partly because

[3:11:35] don has spent so much time in the

[3:11:36] woods over

[3:11:39] there tracking the trees. We try

[3:11:41] to find any way we could to save trees

[3:11:42] because of the

[3:11:45] evolution of the

[3:11:47] site. Some things just couldn't make it. But

[3:11:48] particularly on the

[3:11:50] area is that border. The southeast corner

[3:11:51] is a good example. Like, we tried

[3:11:52] to

[3:11:54] save as much as we could. Because

[3:11:55] that's the entrance

[3:11:56] to the neighborhood and yeah, so we

[3:11:57] did the best we

[3:12:00] can given the --

[3:12:01] >> on the east side

[3:12:03] of the site. There's the parking and

[3:12:06] then there's the some of

[3:12:07] the landscaping. Are there any other

[3:12:09] treatments to try to help maybe

[3:12:11] block some of the view, low walls

[3:12:12] or anything like that?

[3:12:13] >> the

[3:12:15] good news is there's a sliver on

[3:12:17] the east side that's not our property. That's

[3:12:18] kind of between

[3:12:19] the property and the road and there's trees

[3:12:21] all within there that

[3:12:24] aren't on our property. And

[3:12:27] that we obviously

[3:12:30] never touch. So there is, there's

[3:12:31] some buffer

[3:12:32] and yeah.

[3:12:33] >> so that's what the original plan

[3:12:34] called for you

[3:12:36] guys to cut through that.

[3:12:37] >> the original

[3:12:39] plan, did

[3:12:42] cut. When they had this in 2007, we reached

[3:12:43] out to the board and association. We

[3:12:45] always try to speak

[3:12:47] to them as quickly as we can. They,

[3:12:50] it seemed like it was important for

[3:12:51] them that

[3:12:53] the, that our traffic stays our traffic

[3:12:54] and their traffic stays their

[3:12:56] traffic. So we tried to accommodate. Once

[3:12:57] we got that feed

[3:13:00] back. Okay we didn't even, we asked but

[3:13:03] it was denied so we just moved on, yeah. And

[3:13:04] I

[3:13:05] think this makes more sense too. That

[3:13:06] way the residents don't ever

[3:13:08] have to deal with our traffic. But

[3:13:12] if they wanted to walk over to the

[3:13:13] retail, we'll always

[3:13:14] be open to if they wanted a little

[3:13:16] path way there. We're happy

[3:13:18] to do that. They didn't seem interested

[3:13:19] at the

[3:13:21] time but we're open to allowing that

[3:13:22] if

[3:13:25] we had like

[3:13:27] a coffee shop that's a nice walkable

[3:13:30] location.

[3:13:31] >> speaking of, any tenants lined

[3:13:32] up or potential

[3:13:34] tenants.

[3:13:35] >> potential tenant

[3:13:36] is coffee shop that we would, like

[3:13:39] I, in my ideal world which I can't force

[3:13:40] anybody to lease. But in

[3:13:42] my ideal world, the east side would

[3:13:43] be

[3:13:44] the coffee shop. Because I think it

[3:13:45] makes sense for residents who wanted

[3:13:46] to walk

[3:13:48] over there if they wanted to. But

[3:13:49] coffee

[3:13:52] shop and sandwich shop

[3:13:54] is what the restaurants look like. Currently. Those

[3:13:55] are

[3:13:57] subject to change. And then the, the

[3:14:01] interior I expect to

[3:14:02] be medical. You know other retail services. Maybe

[3:14:04] like a, a

[3:14:05] pilates studio something like that

[3:14:07] reach out. So things

[3:14:10] like that. But this is a, this

[3:14:11] is new construction. So it's higher rent. So

[3:14:13] it

[3:14:14] tends to be higher end tenants. That's

[3:14:16] all who can afford to --

[3:14:17] >> what

[3:14:19] kind of fencing do you have

[3:14:21] on the south side of the site?

[3:14:22] >>

[3:14:25] there's already a fence. There's that,

[3:14:28] I know

[3:14:29] you described in your presentation. The

[3:14:31] masonry

[3:14:33] wall. And it was actually like a 2-foot

[3:14:34] concrete

[3:14:35] foundation piece underneath it. I think

[3:14:37] it's six feet but ends up

[3:14:40] being 8 feet because

[3:14:42] of that. So we'll be a little lower than

[3:14:43] the residents. That helps

[3:14:44] when you think about the door and

[3:14:45] emergency light on top of that. I

[3:14:46] think

[3:14:48] that will help with the screening. We

[3:14:49] put those trees,

[3:14:51] the trees that we put those trees

[3:14:52] in the back

[3:14:55] that weren't required by code in the

[3:14:56] hopes

[3:14:57] of helping to screen an vet that as

[3:15:01] much as

[3:15:04] possible.

[3:15:05] >> and the height of

[3:15:07] your building, sir?

[3:15:08] >> in the

[3:15:09] front it's like 18 feet slit down

[3:15:12] some. There's some really tall retail

[3:15:13] buildings now

[3:15:16] that you see. Ours is

[3:15:19] I think, I

[3:15:22] would say --

[3:15:23] >> it's 19. Then

[3:15:24] goes from, 20 to 25. That's on the

[3:15:25] front.

[3:15:26] >> on

[3:15:28] the

[3:15:30] front.

[3:15:31] >> then it slopes down toward the

[3:15:32] back.

[3:15:33] >> and I

[3:15:34] think there was mention in the report

[3:15:35] about lighting

[3:15:36] cut off. Lighting will be cut off

[3:15:39] to prevent.

[3:15:40] >> yeah, so we will be. For

[3:15:41] us that's, I

[3:15:42] mean we don't want to get called for

[3:15:43] that right. So we

[3:15:46] will be, if we do shield, we

[3:15:48] do shields. We have to follow the

[3:15:49] fire department's

[3:15:51] rules and things like that. So we'll basically

[3:15:52] work with them to

[3:15:55] figure out what is. But right

[3:15:58] now we

[3:16:01] have a photo me

[3:16:03] -- metric plan. And the photometric

[3:16:04] plan is the ruleless. We'll also

[3:16:07] find

[3:16:10] that in the field so we

[3:16:13] can get it as -- as possible.

[3:16:14] >>

[3:16:15] in regards to hours of operation. What

[3:16:16] are the anticipated hours of operation.

[3:16:17] >>

[3:16:19] I would expect the busiest time to

[3:16:22] be during the day. Because

[3:16:23] I think there's, we're limited on,

[3:16:25] we have

[3:16:26] very little restaurant use here. This

[3:16:28] is primarily going to be, like, I

[3:16:29] would

[3:16:30] be shocked if we don't have a dentist

[3:16:31] in here. I would be shocked

[3:16:33] if we don't have a couple of medical uses in

[3:16:34] here. So

[3:16:37] I think those will just be 9:00

[3:16:40] to 5:00. Then you'll have some uses that

[3:16:42] go till like 7:00. But we don't have

[3:16:46] the tenants yet so we don't know. But

[3:16:49] we'll be, say coppell has their

[3:16:52] own rules right on hours of

[3:16:55] operation. So we'll be you

[3:16:57] know, we're trying, we'll try to balance between

[3:16:58] like making

[3:16:59] sure tenants have enough parking throughout

[3:17:01] the day. So there's not one time

[3:17:04] when everybody is there and now the parking

[3:17:05] is

[3:17:06] overly congested. We'll try to have

[3:17:07] uses that kind of spread out a little bit

[3:17:10] so we

[3:17:13] can keep the traffic spread

[3:17:16] out as much as possible. But given

[3:17:18] this area I would expect that the

[3:17:19] day will

[3:17:21] be most busy because that's when all

[3:17:22] the tenants will

[3:17:24] be open. At night and in the morning there

[3:17:25] might be

[3:17:28] one or two open. Like

[3:17:30] a dentist closes at 5:00, right so.

[3:17:31] >>

[3:17:32] thank you

[3:17:34] for considering about the over lap

[3:17:35] and

[3:17:37] parking and trying to

[3:17:40] maximize that. But you've met

[3:17:42] the requirement. That the coppell

[3:17:43] requirement for

[3:17:46] parking. So. And

[3:17:49] you've, I guess a question for staff,

[3:17:51] are they, the applicant mentioned

[3:17:52] 9:00 to 5:00 maybe

[3:17:55] some of the retail use

[3:17:56] to 7:00. There's other restrictions

[3:18:00] on how late operations could go?

[3:18:01] >>

[3:18:02] we

[3:18:04] haven't placed any. We

[3:18:07] don't know what the tenants is. Tenants

[3:18:10] will be. That's something, if you

[3:18:11] want to

[3:18:13] consider that.

[3:18:14] >> yeah, I would expect

[3:18:15] like thinking about the

[3:18:16] sandwich shop that's probably the

[3:18:17] one that goes the latest. And I'm

[3:18:19] trying to think of like, I think there's

[3:18:22] a jersey mikes over there. That's

[3:18:24] open till like 9:00. 9:00 10:00. I

[3:18:25] don't know exactly

[3:18:28] when those are open to. But that is,

[3:18:29] I

[3:18:30] think that's probably where we, where

[3:18:31] most of these tenants cut

[3:18:34] off. But we

[3:18:37] don't have a line up

[3:18:40] of tenants yet.

[3:18:41] >>

[3:18:43] I'm sorry,

[3:18:46] I'm having a side bar

[3:18:49] here. Okay. So no operations late

[3:18:52] in the morning, midnight, beyond 6:00

[3:18:53] a.m. 7:00 a.m.

[3:18:54] >>

[3:18:55] we don't expect that, no.

[3:18:56] >> okay

[3:18:57] any other

[3:18:58] questions?

[3:18:59] >> coffee shop might be,

[3:19:00] if there's a sit down coffee shop. They

[3:19:01] may open early. But

[3:19:04] I'm hoping that would be welcomed

[3:19:08] by the community.

[3:19:09] >>

[3:19:11] there's no

[3:19:12] drive-thru. So.

[3:19:13] >> exactly. Yeah. Just

[3:19:14] for the sit down folks.

[3:19:15] >> I

[3:19:16] appreciate your attempts at trying

[3:19:17] to preserve as many trees as

[3:19:18] you can. But I think you kind of answered

[3:19:20] the question,

[3:19:22] I just want to make sure. You've done

[3:19:23] the general grading to sort

[3:19:26] of make sure that

[3:19:29] what you're

[3:19:30] thinking you're going to preserve

[3:19:32] will be preserved based on

[3:19:33] the over all grading plan of the property.

[3:19:34] >>

[3:19:35] our

[3:19:36] plan is set on the trees. We, and

[3:19:38] that was, we tagged them

[3:19:40] all and we know exactly what we're

[3:19:41] doing. We try

[3:19:44] to plan around

[3:19:45] as best we can. But the site plan

[3:19:47] if approved is,

[3:19:48] is this is what we'll be following

[3:19:52] and the tree plan we have won't be

[3:19:53] changing.

[3:19:54] >>

[3:19:56] so the one concern I have from

[3:19:59] a site plan standpoint

[3:20:01] is your direct entry on to sandy lake,

[3:20:05] I just feel

[3:20:08] like it's close. Really close to

[3:20:10] your, to the arbor meadows drive. And

[3:20:13] I can see people driving across to

[3:20:14] go to

[3:20:16] the immediate turn lane. Have you

[3:20:19] considered moving that a little bit

[3:20:20] further to the

[3:20:23] west to a

[3:20:26] maintain a little bit of separation. More

[3:20:28] separation. But also, you know, knowing that

[3:20:30] people are going to cut across just

[3:20:32] make it,

[3:20:34] give a little more run up to that curve

[3:20:35] cup. To

[3:20:38] be able to make a u turn or turn

[3:20:41] into the parking lot across the street.

[3:20:42] >>

[3:20:43] I think there were fire department reasons

[3:20:44] for it having to be there.

[3:20:45] >>

[3:20:47] it

[3:20:50] has to be

[3:20:51] there.

[3:20:52] >> but that's my understanding. I'm

[3:20:53] open to, discussing that with

[3:20:56] the planning team. But

[3:20:57] that was, that was my understanding.

[3:20:58] >>

[3:20:59] I appreciate the

[3:21:02] attempt to go over to the west because that

[3:21:05] shared drive does have a left

[3:21:08] turn curve

[3:21:09] cut. So that will significantly help

[3:21:11] once people discover it.

[3:21:12] >> yeah,

[3:21:14] I think it, yeah, I agree. I

[3:21:17] think that is a, that was

[3:21:20] a, you know and we, and in doing so

[3:21:22] with the, what we're doing for them

[3:21:23] is

[3:21:24] putting gates up on the road. So making

[3:21:26] sure that people who go to our

[3:21:29] center don't go to their

[3:21:32] parking lot. So we had, so we

[3:21:35] worked

[3:21:38] it out with them and they're

[3:21:41] very good neighbors.

[3:21:42] >> sue. >> just

[3:21:44] a quick question for you. So

[3:21:47] the green space on

[3:21:50] the western portion surrounded

[3:21:51] by parking lot. What is the purpose

[3:21:53] of, that particular space.

[3:21:54] >> so when

[3:21:55] I first did that, I was hoping that

[3:21:56] we could

[3:21:59] put like a picnic table or something like

[3:22:02] that there. Just

[3:22:03] to have some additional seating. Truthfully,

[3:22:05] that's where probably

[3:22:06] like the transformer is going to go. But

[3:22:08] we'll put it as

[3:22:11] close to the dumpster as

[3:22:14] possible so they're kind of together. But

[3:22:17] there

[3:22:20] will probably

[3:22:22] need to be an electrical transformer on-site.

[3:22:23] >>

[3:22:24] but

[3:22:26] there's no future -- snow cone or

[3:22:29] --

[3:22:30] >> no

[3:22:32] this is all building you're going

[3:22:33] to

[3:22:34] get. We're at full capacity. I thought

[3:22:35] you meant that little

[3:22:37] green island. That little green island

[3:22:38] in the middle

[3:22:39] that's where the transformer will

[3:22:44] go.

[3:22:45] >> there's an easement there.

[3:22:46] >> yeah,

[3:22:47] the drainage easements. So drainage

[3:22:50] from the residential

[3:22:51] neighborhood goes there and it'll

[3:22:53] come underneath our grading.

[3:22:54] >> thank

[3:22:55] you.

[3:22:56] >>

[3:22:57] I have one more question.

[3:22:58] >> fire

[3:22:59] away.

[3:23:00] >>

[3:23:02] so to

[3:23:04] the south of the building, between

[3:23:05] the

[3:23:08] wall, the fence

[3:23:11] and the building itself

[3:23:13] you've got some, landscaped areas

[3:23:14] there. I

[3:23:16] presume that, each suite will have

[3:23:17] access from

[3:23:20] the rear. Is that correct.

[3:23:21] >> yeah

[3:23:22] they'll have to. For code reasons.

[3:23:23] >>

[3:23:24] what kind of activity do you

[3:23:26] envision

[3:23:29] going on in the back of the building?

[3:23:30] >>

[3:23:32] I think, given where, given like

[3:23:34] the location of everything. I don't

[3:23:35] imagine, I don't imagine

[3:23:38] much. I think but for fire

[3:23:40] purposes, we have to have it. So I

[3:23:41] understand your question. We'll

[3:23:44] have a small sidewalk there at

[3:23:47] the back. But, I think, I would

[3:23:49] expect like you can't, give, given the way

[3:23:50] the side is. All the deliveries are

[3:23:53] going to be in the front, right. They

[3:23:55] just functionally have to be right. Given

[3:23:56] where the dumpsters are, I

[3:23:58] don't think anyone, I think going

[3:23:59] out the front

[3:24:02] actually makes more

[3:24:05] sense for most of these

[3:24:08] tenants. But there's not going to

[3:24:09] be any like customer access there. There

[3:24:11] might be some employee access there. All

[3:24:14] the parking is on the side. Most employees

[3:24:15] will

[3:24:17] come to the front.

[3:24:18] >> will there be

[3:24:19] roll

[3:24:20] up doors in the back.

[3:24:21] >> roll up doors? >>

[3:24:22] yeah.

[3:24:23] >>

[3:24:24] no.

[3:24:25] >> to facilitation trash or something

[3:24:26] of

[3:24:27] that nature.

[3:24:28] >> no, no, no. It'll

[3:24:29] just be a normal

[3:24:30] back door with a push bar on it for fire

[3:24:31] purposes. But no roll up doors.

[3:24:32] >>

[3:24:33] so there's

[3:24:35] no traffic access behind the

[3:24:37] building either.

[3:24:38] >> no. Like from a

[3:24:39] vehicle perspective? Oh

[3:24:40] yeah, that was the intention. Is that

[3:24:41] we

[3:24:44] were trying, the building

[3:24:47] is meant to block the cars. So again,

[3:24:48] it's not

[3:24:49] a perfect solution for the residents

[3:24:50] of the neighborhood

[3:24:53] but this is what we have found to

[3:24:54] be

[3:24:56] the, at a minimum I think this is much better

[3:24:57] than

[3:24:58] the original plan that was already approved. So,

[3:24:59] you know, we're

[3:25:02] coming here in the hopes of

[3:25:05] improving what was already approved

[3:25:09] is our view on the

[3:25:12] situation.

[3:25:13] >> I would conquer

[3:25:14] that this is better than originally planned. I

[3:25:15] would definitely --

[3:25:18] and you're really. This is

[3:25:20] a retail, maybe some professional

[3:25:21] services. Which

[3:25:23] is almost, it's not quite right in

[3:25:24] right out

[3:25:26] but you have maybe some potential u

[3:25:27] turn

[3:25:30] traffic up there by the verizon

[3:25:33] or the median to the west. But

[3:25:36] you some

[3:25:39] what limited with access. So

[3:25:42] I mean,

[3:25:45] yeah. Hopefully it'll be

[3:25:47] successful. So. Okay. Any other questions

[3:25:50] of the applicant? Samit.

[3:25:51] >> just,

[3:25:52] I just noticed. It's

[3:25:54] saying 36 on the

[3:25:55] southern border but I'm assuming those are

[3:25:56] not shown in this graphic.

[3:25:57] >> I feel

[3:26:00] when you press the button it

[3:26:02] was like they were not shown then

[3:26:03] --

[3:26:04] >>

[3:26:06] there they

[3:26:07] are. All right. All right.

[3:26:08] >> this

[3:26:09] is very schematic.

[3:26:10] >> I get it. It's

[3:26:11] just

[3:26:12] the way I look at it. Can

[3:26:15] we beef up along the backside? I mean,

[3:26:17] I know it's behind the buildings. But

[3:26:21] again to help buffer and screen

[3:26:23] and the lighting and the whatever.

[3:26:24] >>

[3:26:25] we're open

[3:26:27] to spreading them out. And they'll

[3:26:30] all grow. I think in

[3:26:32] our original plan we had them more

[3:26:34] spread out. I don't remember.

[3:26:35] >> there's

[3:26:36] two groupings.

[3:26:37] >> I think at

[3:26:38] one point we had them spread out. And

[3:26:39] it's

[3:26:40] like, okay let's concentrate them to

[3:26:41] parking. We're open to either.

[3:26:42] >>

[3:26:43] it's

[3:26:44] blocking more of the parking right

[3:26:45] now on

[3:26:46] the backside of the building but they

[3:26:48] might be appreciated

[3:26:49] to block the backside of the building

[3:26:51] as well.

[3:26:52] >> I think just

[3:26:53] the opposite. You want to shield the parking.

[3:26:54] >>

[3:26:55] that's what I'm

[3:26:57] saying right now

[3:26:59] they're grouped to block the parking

[3:27:01] but, again to visibility for the backyards

[3:27:03] to not see

[3:27:06] the backside of the

[3:27:09] building or the lighting that

[3:27:12] required safe safety lighting back

[3:27:15] there that is

[3:27:18] required won't hurt.

[3:27:19] >> to block the

[3:27:20] security lights.

[3:27:21] >>

[3:27:22] light.

[3:27:23] >> I think the

[3:27:24] homes that are back there, most are

[3:27:25] two stories.

[3:27:26] >>

[3:27:27] yes.

[3:27:28] >> so they'll be looking down at

[3:27:29] this property absent trees that mitigate

[3:27:30] the view.

[3:27:31] >> the ones behind

[3:27:33] the building are

[3:27:34] the ones that exist. Or, does that make

[3:27:36] sense. There'll still be

[3:27:39] some that remain there. At one

[3:27:42] point we spread them out. And then,

[3:27:45] I don't know if it was

[3:27:48] based on feed back. Then we concentrated

[3:27:49] them

[3:27:50] to parking. We're open to how you,

[3:27:51] how to best

[3:27:54] lay them out back there. We can

[3:27:56] be strategic about it.

[3:27:57] >> I have one

[3:27:58] more landscape related question, I'm

[3:28:00] sorry. On

[3:28:03] the front trees

[3:28:06] are required every 50

[3:28:09] feet. And I know you're

[3:28:11] preserving trees in the, eastern edge. The

[3:28:12] northeast corner

[3:28:15] but,

[3:28:18] that leaves the entirety of the sandy

[3:28:19] lake

[3:28:20] frontage untreed. You know, again

[3:28:21] there's supposed to be one

[3:28:24] every 50

[3:28:27] feet. Is there

[3:28:30] an easement or something

[3:28:33] that's preventing? Or

[3:28:35] are we counting the parking island

[3:28:36] trees as

[3:28:39] trees.

[3:28:40] >> my understanding is we've designed

[3:28:42] this to code on other than

[3:28:45] the additional ones that on

[3:28:47] the back. That's obviously well above code. But

[3:28:48] I'm sure that

[3:28:49] can be verified.

[3:28:50] >> we'll take another

[3:28:51] look at it and see

[3:28:57] if we need to add any

[3:28:59] trees.

[3:29:00] >> okay. >> one last question. >>

[3:29:01] sure.

[3:29:02] >>

[3:29:03] the roofing

[3:29:06] material on the backside of this

[3:29:07] building, so the building has the

[3:29:09] roofs then it comes down

[3:29:12] like this and comes down. So you have your

[3:29:15] --in front. Is that

[3:29:18] going to be like one of those

[3:29:21] white covered types of --

[3:29:22] >> yeah

[3:29:24] it'll be a tpo

[3:29:27] roof.

[3:29:28] >> which is white generally. >>

[3:29:30] right. Yes.

[3:29:31] >> again being two storied. Is

[3:29:32] it kind of pushing for some mitigation for

[3:29:33] the glare

[3:29:34] and whatever that might come off of

[3:29:36] that roof.

[3:29:37] >> yeah I don't know

[3:29:39] if tpo is known for that. But I understand

[3:29:40] what you're saying

[3:29:41] because it's white. I'm happy to consider. I

[3:29:42] don't have a

[3:29:45] solution off the top of my head for

[3:29:46] that.

[3:29:47] >>

[3:29:48] are there other

[3:29:51] colors beside white. Is there a

[3:29:54] tan color.

[3:29:55] >>

[3:29:57] no, white

[3:30:00] is, yeah. It's like an

[3:30:01] energy preservation. Yeah. But yeah. No

[3:30:03] it's a fair question. I

[3:30:06] don't have a solution to that. But

[3:30:07] understood. Appreciate

[3:30:09] the feed back.

[3:30:10] >> thank you very much

[3:30:11] for answering the

[3:30:12] questions there. We may bring you

[3:30:13] back at the end.

[3:30:14] >> I

[3:30:15] figured, yeah. Thank you.

[3:30:16] >> so this

[3:30:17] is a public hearing. We

[3:30:18] have several folks

[3:30:21] that are signed up

[3:30:24] to

[3:30:27] speak. I'll call in

[3:30:30] order, we'll go with

[3:30:33] vishi

[3:30:34] subramanyan. Followed by shanti subramanyan. Then

[3:30:36] followed

[3:30:39] by uma alagapan.

[3:30:40] >> yeah, hi. Thank

[3:30:41] you. Thank you folks for taking listening

[3:30:42] to us.

[3:30:43] >> name

[3:30:45] and address for

[3:30:48] the record.

[3:30:49] >>

[3:30:51] my name is vishi subramanyan. I

[3:30:54] live at

[3:30:57] 126 wild plum. Our property

[3:31:00] is exactly behind the building

[3:31:01] that is being proposed currently.

[3:31:03] so, if you look at

[3:31:06] this place has a lot of, a

[3:31:08] lot of, its very wooded currently. And

[3:31:10] when

[3:31:12] we bought this house, we bought it

[3:31:13] in

[3:31:15] what 2015, 2016 time frame. We were

[3:31:16] told by

[3:31:17] our realtor, which I obviously I'm

[3:31:19] hearing that it

[3:31:22] is, it was not true. But

[3:31:23] we bought it primarily because we

[3:31:25] had a, green zone and we

[3:31:27] were told it's a green zone. That's why

[3:31:28] we bought it.

[3:31:29] >>

[3:31:30] there was not going to be building

[3:31:34] on it.

[3:31:35] >> so, any

[3:31:37] way. So that's

[3:31:38] what it is. That's fine. Primarily

[3:31:39] our main concern is there's going

[3:31:42] to be a lot of noise. There's going

[3:31:43] to be smell, especially

[3:31:45] we didn't know there was a restaurant

[3:31:48] that's going to come in. That's being

[3:31:49] proposed currently. So

[3:31:51] we really don't like that idea of

[3:31:55] a

[3:31:57] restaurant coming in behind our property. So

[3:31:58] we object

[3:32:01] to it. Second thing, the other

[3:32:04] idea is the traffic on sandy

[3:32:06] lake. Currently, coming out of arbor manors

[3:32:07] and

[3:32:10] making a left, going to the

[3:32:13] airport is really hard. If you come

[3:32:16] around 4:00 on sandy

[3:32:19] lake the traffic

[3:32:20] is just, horrendous. Especially you're

[3:32:22] very

[3:32:23] close to, close to denton tap. So

[3:32:25] that traffic, sandy

[3:32:26] lake traffic, people coming out of sprouts

[3:32:28] making

[3:32:31] a left

[3:32:33] on to sandy lake. A --there is no

[3:32:34] traffic light there.

[3:32:35] >>

[3:32:37] there's a lot of conflict points.

[3:32:38] >>

[3:32:40] it's just a matter

[3:32:41] of time before somebody hits someone. The

[3:32:43] city also made another change

[3:32:46] recently

[3:32:48] in the last couple of years. They

[3:32:49] allowed sorry,

[3:32:52] I'm not used to

[3:32:54] these things. But any way, they allowed, they stopped

[3:32:55] prevented

[3:32:58] a u turn

[3:32:59] from taking place there. Right. Outside

[3:33:01] sandy

[3:33:04] lake. Right outside sprouts, so

[3:33:07] what happens is people come into the

[3:33:08] neighborhood. And they're

[3:33:10] speeding. They just make a

[3:33:12] u turn at the end of the cul-de-sac

[3:33:13] and make a right

[3:33:16] or left. There's no traffic light there. It

[3:33:19] is just hard

[3:33:22] for us to

[3:33:24] even come out. It's not normal.

[3:33:25] >>

[3:33:26] and

[3:33:27] despite the u turn signs, maybe I

[3:33:31] --but despite the u turn sign, people

[3:33:32] keep making

[3:33:34] u turns. I try to make

[3:33:37] a right turn and I think, okay, somebody with the

[3:33:38] indicator

[3:33:39] they're turning left. And I'm safe

[3:33:40] to go. And before I

[3:33:43] know it, they're u turning

[3:33:46] and I'm trying

[3:33:47] to turn and we're in conflict. It

[3:33:49] happens all the time. So that's

[3:33:52] one request. But the traffic is

[3:33:53] one thing. Go ahead, you finish.

[3:33:54] >>

[3:33:55] the other thing

[3:33:58] is we sit in the backyard, we

[3:34:01] are able to enjoy. Once this building

[3:34:04] comes up, we are done. The other thing that is annoying

[3:34:07] is also he says, it's okay. I

[3:34:10] think they can hear me. I

[3:34:13] think I'm

[3:34:16] loud enough. If you

[3:34:17] folks aren't able to hear me. So,

[3:34:19] the other

[3:34:22] thing is, we

[3:34:25] sit in the backyard and we

[3:34:28] enjoy the

[3:34:31] nature. And we're going

[3:34:34] lose all that stuff now. I do not

[3:34:36] know the legal thing but based on

[3:34:38] my research, is it smart zoning? Is

[3:34:40] that

[3:34:42] even a valid statement anymore. Because

[3:34:45] you're already commercialized it before

[3:34:46] now. This

[3:34:49] is just requesting a change in the zoning

[3:34:52] allowing them to do

[3:34:55] other things, I guess. But I'm

[3:34:58] not a lawyer, but I do plan to

[3:35:01] protest. Thank

[3:35:04] you. I think I'm done with

[3:35:07] my three minutes. I

[3:35:09] think I'm done. Thank you.

[3:35:10] >> shanti

[3:35:11] has three minutes.

[3:35:12] >> yeah. So the

[3:35:13] main points I want to make is,

[3:35:16] I realize now that our realtor gave

[3:35:17] us false information. And there's

[3:35:19] nothing we can do about that. It is

[3:35:21] zoned commercial. I like the fact

[3:35:22] that they are making

[3:35:25] an effort

[3:35:28] to move the traffic up to the

[3:35:31] front. So given the situation;

[3:35:34] main concern

[3:35:37] is, if we have restaurants, that

[3:35:39] they're restricted types of restaurant. We

[3:35:40] don't want anything

[3:35:43] that's deep frying, or smells

[3:35:45] or rodents to be encourage encouraged because

[3:35:49] it will come to the residential area

[3:35:50] and

[3:35:51] also it increases noise. So if the

[3:35:52] restrictions could be placed that

[3:35:53] we have

[3:35:54] more quiet type of restaurants if you're

[3:35:55] going

[3:35:58] to have. Coffee shops are fine. But

[3:36:01] not the kind where it's much more

[3:36:03] noisy, dinner restaurants and things

[3:36:04] that you

[3:36:07] know, would go on till late at

[3:36:10] night. And that

[3:36:13] doesn't, is not consistent with

[3:36:15] the residential life. The other thing

[3:36:16] is, the wall is you know we're

[3:36:19] asking that if it can be

[3:36:22] increased in height

[3:36:25] to give

[3:36:27] more privacy, more protection from

[3:36:28] the noise. The, you know, and lighting. Because

[3:36:31] even as it is right now we go

[3:36:34] upstairs, the sprouts lighting the

[3:36:35] night lighting comes

[3:36:37] straight up into the,

[3:36:40] into our home at the back. So

[3:36:43] those other requests that

[3:36:48] I can make given the situation that

[3:36:49] we have.

[3:36:50] >> yeah and, one of

[3:36:52] the

[3:36:55] things that I would like to point

[3:36:56] out is,

[3:36:59] how can they

[3:37:02] say that there is not going to

[3:37:03] be people coming to the back? If I

[3:37:05] have a restaurant, I'm not

[3:37:08] going to allow people to come

[3:37:11] through the front to deliver

[3:37:14] stuff. The delivery has

[3:37:16] to happen in the back.

[3:37:17] >> no. >> it cannot. How

[3:37:18] can they

[3:37:19] do that?

[3:37:20] >> that's not reflected in

[3:37:21] the current plan.

[3:37:22] >> the deliveries

[3:37:23] are going to be from the

[3:37:24] front. I'm not defending the application

[3:37:26] but I'm saying the deliveries

[3:37:29] are

[3:37:31] going to be from the front. It's only

[3:37:32] emergency

[3:37:33] access, a door for the site. That's

[3:37:35] all. We're not

[3:37:38] going go back and forth. I

[3:37:39] will let you finish your statement.

[3:37:40] >>

[3:37:41] okay. You already --

[3:37:42] >>

[3:37:44] and so again, we would

[3:37:45] like to minimize noise, minimize rodents,

[3:37:47] minimize smell and

[3:37:50] be able to still enjoy our backyard

[3:37:51] without having you know, still have

[3:37:53] that privacy to

[3:37:55] some extent and not have it feel like commercial.

[3:37:56] >>

[3:37:57] if

[3:37:58] I could ask you one question, you

[3:38:02] have a

[3:38:04] fence in your back? Is it a 6-foot,

[3:38:05] 8-foot fence. Is

[3:38:08] it an open fence, rot

[3:38:10] iron.

[3:38:11] >> no it's masonry, white color. >>

[3:38:12] okay

[3:38:13] so it's a solid wall.

[3:38:14] >> solid wall. >>

[3:38:16] but, again, just if that could be increased

[3:38:17] in

[3:38:19] height mainly for the light at night. That's

[3:38:22] the concern. Because some of the parking,

[3:38:23] I mean, and

[3:38:24] I don't know if there's emergency

[3:38:26] lighting, whatever

[3:38:29] there is at

[3:38:31] the light. If that comes into the yard it'll

[3:38:32] impact

[3:38:33] us.

[3:38:34] >> okay, thank you very much. >>

[3:38:35] thank you.

[3:38:36] >> can

[3:38:38] I ask one question

[3:38:44] real quick. Mary can you bring

[3:38:46] up the two plans. So the plan on the

[3:38:49] left is already approved. The plan

[3:38:52] on the right is what they're proposing. If

[3:38:53] you

[3:38:56] had a choice, which of those

[3:38:58] two plans would you prefer?

[3:38:59] >> the

[3:39:00] new one.

[3:39:01] >> okay. >>

[3:39:02] the only thing that has changed that

[3:39:03] wasn't

[3:39:04] there that I thought was the restaurant addition

[3:39:05] of restaurants. So

[3:39:08] again if we could restrict the

[3:39:10] types of restaurants. You know, many, I

[3:39:11] mean if they're full

[3:39:13] food restaurants that want to be open

[3:39:14] until 10:00

[3:39:15] at night but that's what I'm saying.

[3:39:16] >>

[3:39:17] understood.

[3:39:18] >> yeah. >> thank you. >>

[3:39:20] but you won't

[3:39:22] have a problem with a coffee shop

[3:39:23] for example.

[3:39:24] >>

[3:39:26] correct.

[3:39:27] >>

[3:39:29] different kind

[3:39:30] of smell. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

[3:39:31] >>

[3:39:32] okay

[3:39:35] mrs. Uma alagapan.

[3:39:36] >>

[3:39:38] yes.

[3:39:39] >>

[3:39:41] and

[3:39:44] then to be

[3:39:47] followed

[3:39:50] by ramar. Okay.

[3:39:51] >> my name is

[3:39:53] uma alagapan. I live on wild

[3:39:55] plum road. I'm a neighbor of shanti. I

[3:39:56] agree with all

[3:39:59] they've said. But I have this point. We

[3:40:01] are already surrounded by so many

[3:40:02] coffee

[3:40:05] shops and sandwich shops in

[3:40:07] every direction. Every kind of grocery

[3:40:08] shop too. So,

[3:40:09] we're like surrounded with so much

[3:40:11] retail,

[3:40:14] so many doctors, so many

[3:40:17] gyms. So I would strongly ask the city

[3:40:18] to

[3:40:19] reconsider. To cutting down all these trees. Because

[3:40:20] that's

[3:40:23] the only thing we

[3:40:26] don't have. Thank you.

[3:40:27] >>

[3:40:29] thank you. Okay

[3:40:32] rama r then followed

[3:40:35] by rama sani. Okay.

[3:40:36] >> hi,

[3:40:37] thank you for hearing me out. I'm rama,

[3:40:41] I live in

[3:40:44] 129 wild plum drive. So the

[3:40:46] traffic is a huge concern. This community has

[3:40:47] over 730 homes, children

[3:40:48] are going to schools. School buses

[3:40:50] have to come

[3:40:53] in and go out and that's a hazard as

[3:40:54] is. When

[3:40:55] she talked about the left turn on

[3:40:59] sandy lake he was right on point. It

[3:41:00] makes

[3:41:02] it difficult to even drive to sprouts. We

[3:41:03] live here

[3:41:04] across the street, and we have to,

[3:41:08] it's just easier to walk and get what you

[3:41:09] want. And

[3:41:11] this is not just peak hour. Peak

[3:41:14] hour is a nightmare but even

[3:41:17] the regular times. Even

[3:41:20] at 10:00 in the morning. We

[3:41:22] are the connection. Sandy lake is

[3:41:23] the connection of

[3:41:26] denton and carlton. People are

[3:41:29] driving through

[3:41:31] us and there's no highway or anything

[3:41:32] yet. And businesses, traffic is

[3:41:35] a concern. People are using

[3:41:38] us as a shortcut. They do enter through

[3:41:41] the sandy lake entrance and

[3:41:44] exit out of our denton tap entrance. So

[3:41:47] this is

[3:41:50] already a thoroughfare for other traffic and now,

[3:41:51] this will

[3:41:53] just probably make our matters worse. City

[3:41:54] would have to

[3:41:56] do something to protect, the kids who

[3:41:57] are walking

[3:41:59] to school to wilson or high school. And

[3:42:02] the buses the

[3:42:04] school buses and the general population

[3:42:07] to safely exit and enter the community. Not

[3:42:08] just, you know this. It's

[3:42:11] also trader joe on the other side. So

[3:42:14] we kind of need something better on

[3:42:15] both

[3:42:17] streets. And that is my point. And

[3:42:18] thank

[3:42:20] you all.

[3:42:21] >> so

[3:42:23] just

[3:42:25] to make sure you understand. There's,

[3:42:26] there's

[3:42:29] traffic observed traffic coming

[3:42:32] in, arbor manors

[3:42:34] off of sandy lake. Traversing through

[3:42:35] the neighborhood and then

[3:42:37] exiting brae wood denton tap.

[3:42:38] >>s

[3:42:39] that correct.

[3:42:40] >> and

[3:42:41] you've observed this.

[3:42:42] >> yes. These

[3:42:43] are people who are evading

[3:42:44] that light. And they don't

[3:42:46] have to wait in line forever. So we

[3:42:47] are conveniently a way out

[3:42:49] where you don't have to waste two

[3:42:53] or three minutes or more where you

[3:42:54] have to wait for

[3:42:56] turns to just

[3:42:57] hit the light. We're already a thoroughfare. You

[3:43:00] know for all

[3:43:03] those peak hours. And that's

[3:43:05] why it takes a while even for the

[3:43:09] buses to come in and

[3:43:10] leave the community.

[3:43:11] >> got you. Thank

[3:43:12] you.

[3:43:13] >> all right,

[3:43:15] anything else?

[3:43:16] >>

[3:43:18] got

[3:43:21] a question for

[3:43:24] her? Anyone?

[3:43:25] >> thanks

[3:43:26] again.

[3:43:27] >> rama sani. >> hi, I'm jea pria

[3:43:28] ramasami. 180

[3:43:29] plum. Thank you for hearing us out. I'm

[3:43:30] also

[3:43:31] in for the current proposal. I see

[3:43:33] how they have accommodated

[3:43:36] a lot of things. But one thing

[3:43:39] if I wanted to ask is, can we

[3:43:42] try to avoid restaurants even the

[3:43:45] coffee shops and have

[3:43:46] other retail options. Because of currently after andy's

[3:43:51] opened, we are at

[3:43:53] just right behind the building that is

[3:43:54] proposed. With

[3:43:56] andy open, I have to close out with

[3:43:57] heavy

[3:43:58] curtains even to avoid this light. This

[3:44:00] business

[3:44:02] which is proposing for retail I'm

[3:44:04] okay because it's already, it's zoned

[3:44:06] for

[3:44:09] retail. So there's no argument about that. But

[3:44:11] can we avoid restaurants, which will

[3:44:12] be opening even

[3:44:13] at 10:00 or in the weekends that's

[3:44:15] the time we have coffee shops are

[3:44:18] going to open early in the

[3:44:20] morning. Though I like the coffee smell,

[3:44:21] but you know.

[3:44:22] >>

[3:44:24] only so much, right.

[3:44:25] >> I don't want

[3:44:27] to do that. And I wanted to, add

[3:44:29] --

[3:44:30] >> may I ask, a clarifying question

[3:44:31] please.

[3:44:32] >>

[3:44:33] sure.

[3:44:34] >> so there are

[3:44:36] ample trees separating you

[3:44:39] from andy's, correct. Are you

[3:44:41] refering to -- referring the light

[3:44:43] tonight second floor.

[3:44:44] >> yes. In the second

[3:44:45] floor. And in between when

[3:44:47] it's the fall season when the trees

[3:44:48] are not full. At that

[3:44:51] time, we also get on the

[3:44:54] ground floor too.

[3:44:55] >> thank you.

[3:44:57] >> and I wanted

[3:44:58] to add what commissioner patel was

[3:45:00] saying about this entrance, that

[3:45:03] was proposed in the new plan also. Just

[3:45:05] like our neighbors were talking about

[3:45:06] how that u

[3:45:07] turn is avoided. And people trying

[3:45:09] to come and trying to turn

[3:45:10] back to sandy lake. That is going

[3:45:12] to cause

[3:45:14] a lot of commotion there too. Because

[3:45:15] it's immediately they try to

[3:45:18] go to the left most lane

[3:45:21] to take the u turn. So do

[3:45:24] please concern that

[3:45:27] part which will cause accidents there,

[3:45:28] definitely. And one of our neighborhood person

[3:45:33] got into that

[3:45:36] accident for a

[3:45:38] u turn. So.

[3:45:39] >> question to staff,

[3:45:42] is

[3:45:45] the, eastbound u

[3:45:48] turn

[3:45:51] legal at that left turn?

[3:45:54] >> both ways

[3:45:57] it's prevented.

[3:45:58] >>

[3:45:59] we'll bring down our traffic.

[3:46:00] >> and

[3:46:01] then, the trees that, because we're

[3:46:02] just

[3:46:03] going to be back behind

[3:46:06] the building based on our location,

[3:46:07] can

[3:46:08] we ask for a higher thing which like what

[3:46:12] they did on the

[3:46:13] other side. Where it's mcdonalds and where

[3:46:15] they build the high fence

[3:46:17] so that it'll try to give us some

[3:46:21] privacy in addition to the trees. So for

[3:46:22] that,

[3:46:23] especially those four houses I think

[3:46:24] those will be the

[3:46:27] main thing which is backing in

[3:46:29] building. So if you can help, elevate and

[3:46:30] add extra fencing

[3:46:33] there to help us with some

[3:46:36] privacy. That

[3:46:39] will,

[3:46:41] that's something that I wanted to

[3:46:42] ask

[3:46:44] for.

[3:46:45] >> okay. >> but please do that entrance,

[3:46:46] that's

[3:46:47] definitely going to call for. If he

[3:46:48] can move. But

[3:46:51] he's told about

[3:46:54] a fire or something. But if definitely

[3:46:57] think about that

[3:46:59] especially when our kids are driving

[3:47:00] there. The high schoolers they

[3:47:02] walk and they come into our community

[3:47:03] and the next

[3:47:06] community.

[3:47:07] >> so we have kids shortcutting

[3:47:08] through the neighborhood too. Walking

[3:47:09] through the neighborhood too.

[3:47:10] >> yes,

[3:47:11] they

[3:47:12] walk near the andy's and the next

[3:47:13] signal they come around and that's how

[3:47:15] they enter into our community and

[3:47:16] to the

[3:47:18] next community. That's how the

[3:47:21] high schoolers they go on walking

[3:47:22] by themselves or something.

[3:47:23] >> okay

[3:47:24] I do have

[3:47:26] a follow up question for you. With

[3:47:27] the conflict as on

[3:47:30] the imagine to the right there's the

[3:47:33] driveway. That's a little modified but it's

[3:47:36] eliminating

[3:47:39] the driveway off of arbor manor drive. To

[3:47:42] reduce the number of conflict points

[3:47:45] it would be better to go

[3:47:48] to arbor

[3:47:51] drive.

[3:47:52] >> no, I

[3:47:54] I have visitors that are coming always.

[3:47:55] >>

[3:47:56] okay.

[3:47:57] >>

[3:47:58] they just drive to plum. They don't

[3:47:59] realize

[3:48:00] they're inside a community. Especially

[3:48:01] on our

[3:48:03] road. They just speed in.

[3:48:04] >> so

[3:48:06] the new design separates that traffic. So

[3:48:07] it's actually better.

[3:48:08] >> yeah, it's

[3:48:09] better but think of all the cars that

[3:48:12] are trying to go to the left lane. That's all

[3:48:15] I'm

[3:48:18] trying to

[3:48:19] point out.

[3:48:20] >> got you. Thank you. >> you

[3:48:21] must be.

[3:48:22] >>

[3:48:24] rahm.

[3:48:25] >> yes. >> we're

[3:48:27] a couple. So thanks for

[3:48:29] your time. Listening to us. I'm just

[3:48:30] going to

[3:48:33] piggy back whatever

[3:48:36] they talked about. I know this is

[3:48:39] going to be a property already approved

[3:48:40] for the business. But

[3:48:42] I definitely would

[3:48:45] like to oppose for any restaurants.

[3:48:46] >>

[3:48:47] say

[3:48:48] that again.

[3:48:49] >> restaurants. >> oh

[3:48:50] yeah, restaurants.

[3:48:51] >>

[3:48:52] so definitely, you know. It's going

[3:48:53] to be a problem. And

[3:48:54] I believe they have a back, you know

[3:48:57] on the side. Even though they

[3:49:01] have a small door, but I'm

[3:49:02] sure they have dumpsters on the side. I

[3:49:04] know

[3:49:07] I have seen some

[3:49:08] other restaurants they keep the garbage

[3:49:10] can outside. So I

[3:49:13] don't know how we

[3:49:15] can prevent that. Definitely keeping

[3:49:16] the garbage outside. Sometimes

[3:49:19] they keep

[3:49:21] the garbage, back of the building near

[3:49:22] to the door.

[3:49:23] >> it

[3:49:25] sounds like it's in

[3:49:27] a better situation. We'll ask the

[3:49:28] applicant. It

[3:49:31] so --

[3:49:34] sounds like it's in

[3:49:37] a better location away from the residential.

[3:49:39] but we'll ask them.

[3:49:40] >> if you have

[3:49:41] any restaurants and it's

[3:49:42] going to impact the privacy and also

[3:49:43] we

[3:49:44] have seen, you know some flies and

[3:49:46] bugs and that's

[3:49:47] going to cause a problem. That's going

[3:49:49] to and the other thing is

[3:49:51] the property value is going to go

[3:49:55] down. Definitely we

[3:49:57] know because we had a green, you know

[3:49:58] greener, so definitely it's going

[3:49:59] to impact it and the property value

[3:50:03] is going do go down. The other thing

[3:50:04] is I

[3:50:07] want

[3:50:08] to raise a concern about the fence. Definitely

[3:50:10] we need to

[3:50:12] have some kind of solution so we can

[3:50:13] have

[3:50:15] some privacy. 6 feet is not going

[3:50:16] to

[3:50:19] be enough. Because there's definitely going

[3:50:22] to be a lot of traffic.

[3:50:23] >> okay. >>

[3:50:24] thank you.

[3:50:25] >> thank you very much. I

[3:50:26] don't have

[3:50:28] any other names signed up

[3:50:31] but is there anyone else who

[3:50:34] would like

[3:50:37] to speak.

[3:50:38] >> yes

[3:50:39] >> my name is aten culcurney. I live

[3:50:40] in

[3:50:41] 122 wild plum drive. The property

[3:50:42] that's right behind this proposed

[3:50:43] building. First I want

[3:50:44] to thank you for allowing me to speak. I

[3:50:46] came a little bit late and

[3:50:49] I didn't get to

[3:50:50] sign up for the speaking here. So,

[3:50:52] I think my neighbors have spoken

[3:50:55] about a few points so I won't

[3:50:58] elaborate on those. What I would

[3:51:00] like to talk about is slightly different. To

[3:51:01] connect this with

[3:51:03] our city's proposed master plan. You

[3:51:07] know, I know that

[3:51:10] the, property is this is zoned for commercial

[3:51:11] use but having the right to build

[3:51:12] doesn't necessarily mean they can build

[3:51:13] the

[3:51:15] way that it is planned because we would

[3:51:16] like to see

[3:51:18] being connected with the soul of the city's

[3:51:22] master plan. See, I think you all

[3:51:25] know this. Coppell our city

[3:51:28] is more than 90% built out. So

[3:51:30] our standards for building now must

[3:51:31] be higher than what they used

[3:51:34] to be 20 years

[3:51:37] ago. We're no longer a growing suburb. We're

[3:51:39] a mature community. The burden should

[3:51:40] be on

[3:51:43] the developers to prove that

[3:51:46] the project enhances rather

[3:51:49] than just build another genetic, commercial

[3:51:51] building. Our tree preservation ordnance which

[3:51:55] you folks know well, exists

[3:51:58] precisely for

[3:52:01] lots like this. It's not so

[3:52:04] much about sort of, being fees

[3:52:07] into the city's coffers

[3:52:09] but it is about, critical zones and

[3:52:10] ecological goals

[3:52:13] that are in our 2040 plan. So I urge

[3:52:14] this

[3:52:15] commission to exercise its authority

[3:52:16] to make a low impact development. We

[3:52:19] should require the site plan that

[3:52:20] preserves

[3:52:22] most of the old grow trees

[3:52:25] as a

[3:52:28] key feature

[3:52:30] rather than just clear cut and then

[3:52:34] subsequently plant

[3:52:37] smaller trees here and there. This

[3:52:38] lost canopy

[3:52:40] cannot be restored. This is the only

[3:52:43] green space, this is the only

[3:52:45] kind of something looks green in the entire

[3:52:46] concrete jungle

[3:52:49] that is around

[3:52:52] us

[3:52:55] and it's what is preserving

[3:52:58] for the city's future plan. A high

[3:53:01] intensity

[3:53:04] restaurant, even if

[3:53:07] it is a coffee

[3:53:09] shop. And as my neighbor said, there's

[3:53:10] coffee in every corner. Thankfully

[3:53:13] it's not a fast food restaurant but

[3:53:16] that's just one point. I think it's

[3:53:17] just

[3:53:19] creating this concrete island is a challenge. If the

[3:53:21] commission approves this plan as it

[3:53:22] is, then

[3:53:25] I think we are signaling that the commercial

[3:53:28] zoning rights are value that are in

[3:53:31] our 2040 plan. So I

[3:53:34] ask to send

[3:53:40] this plan back to

[3:53:43] the drawing

[3:53:47] board. And keep trees as historic assets. So

[3:53:55] in closing, retoring versus --

[3:53:57] that you had opportunity to see around. And

[3:53:58] there's plenty of

[3:54:00] other retail spaces available that could

[3:54:01] be used for

[3:54:04] this purpose. And with this, I urge

[3:54:06] you to deny this approval until a conservation

[3:54:07] focus plan

[3:54:10] is presented to you, thank you.

[3:54:11] >>

[3:54:12] thank you very much. Is there anybody

[3:54:13] else

[3:54:16] who would

[3:54:19] like to speak on the application pro or

[3:54:22] against. Seeing none, I'll

[3:54:25] close the public

[3:54:28] hearing. I would like

[3:54:31] our

[3:54:37] traffic engineer, mr. Baker, we

[3:54:54] have some traffic questions.

[3:54:55] >> based on

[3:54:56] hearing

[3:54:57] the comments this evening and the concerns. Do

[3:54:58] you have any

[3:55:01] concerns that need

[3:55:04] to be evaluated with the proposed

[3:55:07] application?

[3:55:08] >> so they're

[3:55:10] proposed driveway locations meeting

[3:55:12] the ordnance requirement for the driveway

[3:55:13] spacing. If they

[3:55:16] wanted to look at moving it further

[3:55:17] to

[3:55:19] the west.

[3:55:20] >> you're okay with that. >>

[3:55:21] as long as

[3:55:22] we can talk with the fire department

[3:55:23] and see

[3:55:24] if they're okay. I know they have

[3:55:26] specific access requirements.

[3:55:27] >>

[3:55:29] what about some

[3:55:30] measures to eliminate accessing that

[3:55:32] left turn

[3:55:35] lane. A raised, small raised

[3:55:38] median or

[3:55:40] something to eliminate the ability

[3:55:47] to make

[3:55:49] that maneuver?

[3:55:50] >> not something we

[3:55:51] have done much.

[3:55:52] >> true, true. Are

[3:55:53] there any with regards

[3:55:56] to current traffic right now at that

[3:55:58] intersection. Are there any concerns?

[3:55:59] >>

[3:56:01] I'm not aware of current concerns

[3:56:03] there. We periodically look at different

[3:56:04] intersections throughout the city

[3:56:08] to see if any improvements or

[3:56:10] anything would be warranted. I'm not

[3:56:11] aware of looking

[3:56:12] at this intersection currently.

[3:56:13] >>

[3:56:14] so as part of the site review we didn't

[3:56:15] get a chance to see what operations

[3:56:17] are to see, I know

[3:56:20] for a fact and they're exactly

[3:56:22] right. During the peak hour, there's heavy

[3:56:23] westbound traffic

[3:56:26] no question. There's

[3:56:29] traffic coming

[3:56:31] out of commercial so there's conflict. The

[3:56:35] site, didn't meet

[3:56:39] the triggers for an evaluation.

[3:56:40] >>

[3:56:42] correct.

[3:56:43] >> correct. Okay. There might

[3:56:44] be something we can look at the

[3:56:45] intersection.

[3:56:46] >> we can look at it

[3:56:47] with our team.

[3:56:48] >> it

[3:56:50] sounds like there's already no u turn if

[3:56:51] you're headed westbound. I think if

[3:56:53] you made

[3:56:55] no u turn eastbound also at that same friction point, people wouldn't

[3:56:56] be

[3:56:58] as eager to get out there and make

[3:56:59] a u

[3:57:02] turn. They

[3:57:05] would go to the

[3:57:06] other driveway. Just a thought.

[3:57:07] >> yeah I

[3:57:08] can see

[3:57:11] all kinds of maneuvers for

[3:57:13] that though. Yeah. Okay. Any questions of

[3:57:14] our

[3:57:16] traffic engineer, by the commission.

[3:57:17] >>

[3:57:18] yes. So

[3:57:19] would a stoplight there be appropriate

[3:57:20] in

[3:57:23] your

[3:57:25] mind's eye given all of the input

[3:57:26] we received.

[3:57:27] >> there's specific procedures for

[3:57:29] that that would have

[3:57:32] to be done. That hasn't been done

[3:57:33] up

[3:57:35] to this point.

[3:57:36] >> in

[3:57:37] your opinion, the amount of traffic that's

[3:57:38] there would not

[3:57:39] most likely require a stoplight, is

[3:57:40] that what you're thinking.

[3:57:41] >> no,

[3:57:42] it

[3:57:44] would have to be studied

[3:57:47] to determine that. And

[3:57:49] it hasn't currently been studied.

[3:57:50] >>

[3:57:51] yeah.

[3:57:52] >>

[3:57:53] if, and I agree. That this site may

[3:57:54] not generate

[3:57:56] the enough trips to trigger a traffic

[3:57:59] evaluation. Especially since the

[3:58:01] site is basically already been entitled

[3:58:02] for

[3:58:05] our previous zoning in 2007. But,

[3:58:07] if there were a signal required who would

[3:58:11] pay

[3:58:14] for that? Would

[3:58:17] this

[3:58:18] site bare a portion of that? Probably

[3:58:20] not, okay.

[3:58:21] >> maybe let the cool

[3:58:23] off the hook a little bit. But that's

[3:58:25] such a major intersection. You can

[3:58:26] make an

[3:58:29] argument for multiple

[3:58:32] lights on denton

[3:58:35] tap, at trader joe's. On

[3:58:38] tom thumb's side of

[3:58:39] denton tap. It's, that's a much bigger.

[3:58:40] >>

[3:58:41] it's a bigger question. And I'm

[3:58:44] sorry to put you on the spot.

[3:58:45] >> not

[3:58:46] at

[3:58:47] all.

[3:58:48] >> you have to learn sometime. So

[3:58:49] it's

[3:58:50] a learning experience for you

[3:58:52] tonight. So. But yeah, it's a bigger question. And

[3:58:53] to me

[3:58:55] it seems like it would result in,

[3:58:56] that's why

[3:58:58] I was asking the applicant you know

[3:59:00] they're basically right in, right

[3:59:02] out and so

[3:59:05] they're taking risk with the site there. But,

[3:59:08] I'm not in favor of

[3:59:09] more signals because signals are not

[3:59:11] cheap. They're 400,000

[3:59:13] plus and tying all those together

[3:59:14] just makes it even more expensive. But

[3:59:17] at the same time there are some conflict points that

[3:59:20] I think we might be looking

[3:59:22] at on this one. Okay, thank you cole.

[3:59:23] >> yeah. >>

[3:59:26] okay so the public hearing is closed. Discussion,

[3:59:27] but before we get to the discussion

[3:59:29] I had some questions for staff

[3:59:32] if I can try to

[3:59:35] remember

[3:59:38] those. Is the

[3:59:40] footprint the same, mary. Size wise. The previous

[3:59:44] single, the previous two versus

[3:59:45] this current single. Is it smaller

[3:59:47] now than it was before.

[3:59:48] >> I

[3:59:49] don't think there was a size proposed

[3:59:50] that I was able.

[3:59:51] >> if

[3:59:53] you can

[3:59:56] visually put up that map.

[3:59:59] it

[4:00:03] just looks visually like it's smaller. Yeah. Maybe

[4:00:11] it's even.

[4:00:14] okay. And so it might be

[4:00:17] a wash. Maybe it's

[4:00:20] a wash. But, it's

[4:00:23] still

[4:00:26] entitled. Number two, the tree

[4:00:29] ordnance. Three mitigation --I

[4:00:32] know it's

[4:00:35] not within

[4:00:41] our purview. So keep that

[4:00:44] in mind. And,

[4:00:50] then I asked about

[4:00:52] the traffic. Yes, restaurant. What

[4:00:53] about scrubbers

[4:00:55] for restaurant users. Is that a requirement.

[4:00:56] >>

[4:00:57] no.

[4:00:58] >> I

[4:00:59] know we've made some put some in off

[4:01:02] of 121.

[4:01:03] >>

[4:01:05] we analyzed it so we

[4:01:08] never did.

[4:01:09] >>

[4:01:12] okay, okay. Okay. If the applicant

[4:01:16] could come up please. So I wanted to

[4:01:17] capture

[4:01:19] your thoughts on a couple of things. I

[4:01:20] guess first of all. I do want to

[4:01:22] commend, the plan you have done on

[4:01:23] this site is a lot

[4:01:26] better than what it was. So

[4:01:28] y'all have done significant work on

[4:01:32] this. If restaurant use is

[4:01:34] on containening --containing smell. What

[4:01:35] is

[4:01:38] your thoughts on that.

[4:01:39] >> I

[4:01:44] don't, I think I have asked, there's

[4:01:45] restaurants we're fine saying no. I

[4:01:48] don't know if we

[4:01:50] can document that. I don't know how

[4:01:54] you do that within the, but

[4:01:57] like, we understand that's

[4:01:59] an important item. And we will certainly

[4:02:01] be factoring that in. Because we would

[4:02:02] rather get fewer calls than not. I

[4:02:05] also would like to say that I've done

[4:02:06] these

[4:02:07] enough where I feel I always hear

[4:02:09] about

[4:02:11] how realtors lie to the residents. Next

[4:02:14] to the people mixed commercial on. I

[4:02:15] don't

[4:02:18] know what

[4:02:21] to do to that. I know this was

[4:02:23] approved in 2007. But I've been to

[4:02:27] a million meetings

[4:02:29] where that comes up. It's unfortunate. I

[4:02:30] hope

[4:02:31] that the residents see that there's

[4:02:33] a lot

[4:02:34] of developers that could get this land

[4:02:36] and do something

[4:02:39] with. It's not something they

[4:02:41] will ever be happy but it's the less

[4:02:44] of undesirable outcomes. If there

[4:02:45] was

[4:02:46] a way within y'all's code we could

[4:02:48] do that, I would be open

[4:02:51] it. On

[4:02:54] the sizing, I don't know

[4:02:55] if it was two 100,000 square foot building

[4:02:57] or two. I know we have

[4:02:59] a max we have to stay below. I remember

[4:03:00] us

[4:03:01] pulling it smaller to meet that. But

[4:03:04] I can't remember exactly. It's some

[4:03:06] where in the plans.

[4:03:07] >>

[4:03:09] but you met the requirement.

[4:03:10] >>

[4:03:12] we're smaller is my point. But it's

[4:03:13] 15,000 or 16,000 I can't remember

[4:03:14] exactly.

[4:03:15] >> and then, thoughts on

[4:03:16] some of

[4:03:17] the fencing in the back. Is there

[4:03:18] a

[4:03:20] way that y'all could help.

[4:03:21] >> so we

[4:03:22] chose the trees because they're evergreen. And

[4:03:27] this was, and matt was helpful with

[4:03:29] this. We were trying to choose a tree

[4:03:30] that would

[4:03:32] grow from 20 to 30 feet. We were trying to

[4:03:33] choose a tree that's

[4:03:34] green throughout the year. I'm hoping

[4:03:36] that will help not just with our

[4:03:39] property but with the

[4:03:40] sprouts and the andy's that won't

[4:03:45] have,

[4:03:48] like we're going

[4:03:50] to be --to have shielding. We will

[4:03:51] look at can

[4:03:53] we throw on a few more trees in the back

[4:03:54] too since

[4:03:56] that seems to be the primary concern. The

[4:03:57] fence isn't on our property. So I

[4:04:00] don't know what we

[4:04:01] can do with the fence.

[4:04:02] >> that seg

[4:04:03] ways into a similar question that

[4:04:05] I have. I'm trying to envision here. And I

[4:04:08] believe the front of the building

[4:04:09] was 18 feet.

[4:04:10] >> correct. >> so

[4:04:11] there's a par pit on the front of

[4:04:12] the building. I

[4:04:13] heard some of the residents saying

[4:04:15] they're already getting light from

[4:04:17] across the street all the way from

[4:04:18] andy's coming over

[4:04:20] into their yard. I'm wondering what

[4:04:21] the lighting on

[4:04:24] the backside of the building

[4:04:27] and the backside of that wall

[4:04:29] because, by building an 18-foot parapit you're

[4:04:30] essentially

[4:04:32] building an 18-foot wall between them unless

[4:04:33] you're radically lighting

[4:04:36] the back of the building.

[4:04:37] >> no

[4:04:38] yeah. If you're saying that, our building,

[4:04:39] so

[4:04:41] what's interesting about the houses behind

[4:04:42] us. They're

[4:04:44] build on like, there's fill, they're built

[4:04:45] a

[4:04:47] little higher than they probably should

[4:04:48] have. I don't know

[4:04:51] if our building, you're asking

[4:04:52] if our building will block the sprouts

[4:04:54] sign from shining. I

[4:04:57] don't know to be honest. My

[4:05:00] hope is that, it won't be immediate

[4:05:03] but we

[4:05:06] chose specific trees that

[4:05:09] will grow and then

[4:05:11] eventually be taller than our building

[4:05:12] and.

[4:05:13] >> what

[4:05:14] would be anticipated lights in the

[4:05:15] back.

[4:05:16] >> it'll be energy

[4:05:17] building. The wall packs will be shielded

[4:05:18] they will point

[4:05:20] down so those won't be an issue. But

[4:05:24] above the energy door you will see

[4:05:25] the

[4:05:26] emergency lighting. But we'll make

[4:05:27] sure to use shields and like

[4:05:29] I said, we'll meet the fire marshals

[4:05:30] out there and say,

[4:05:33] what is the lowest we can put

[4:05:34] this to abide by code. Because you have

[4:05:36] two

[4:05:37] feet, foundation plus the six foot wall. So

[4:05:39] that's eight feet. So my

[4:05:41] hope is you can keep the emergency

[4:05:42] lighting try to keep it, you

[4:05:44] know like lower than the fence. I

[4:05:45] don't know if we

[4:05:48] can quite --if they will

[4:05:50] let us we will. Like, yeah. So we

[4:05:51] can, we

[4:05:53] can keep all of our like the wall

[4:05:54] packs

[4:05:57] those we can keep it where the lights

[4:05:58] point

[4:06:00] down. Those won't

[4:06:03] impact at all and they'll be shielded. It's

[4:06:04] the

[4:06:05] emergency lighting required by fire. That's

[4:06:06] the only thing. But I

[4:06:09] think compared to like sprouts or

[4:06:10] andy

[4:06:11] signs that's a much smaller.

[4:06:12] >> and

[4:06:13] it there wouldn't

[4:06:14] be anything lighting the roof or the back

[4:06:15] of the paraput

[4:06:18] wall.

[4:06:19] >> signage will be in

[4:06:20] the front of the building only. That's

[4:06:21] another

[4:06:24] reason why flipping the building is helpful. Because

[4:06:25] the building was flipped you would

[4:06:27] have signage on both

[4:06:30] sides and you

[4:06:32] would have signage pointing at the resident

[4:06:33] neighbors. We tried our

[4:06:36] best to make

[4:06:38] this within the box that we could.

[4:06:39] >>

[4:06:40] I was

[4:06:41] thinking about some of the noise. You're

[4:06:42] going to have hvac

[4:06:45] on top. Is there any shielder to prevent

[4:06:46] any of that

[4:06:48] noise, since that

[4:06:51] is there any way to do that?

[4:06:52] >>

[4:06:54] that so the tenants typically

[4:06:57] handle that. I'm not sure if that's something when

[4:06:58] the

[4:07:00] tenants come in if that's something that

[4:07:02] would be required of them. I don't know,

[4:07:03] because we,

[4:07:06] we don't put in the hvc. We don't

[4:07:07] know

[4:07:09] the tenant

[4:07:12] or where

[4:07:15] to put them. But

[4:07:18] the tenants will

[4:07:21] have their own issues.

[4:07:22] >>

[4:07:24] I would like for you to do something

[4:07:27] for noise. Any ways you can help.

[4:07:28] >>

[4:07:29] hopefully you

[4:07:30] have seen our plans and see that we're already

[4:07:31] trying to do

[4:07:35] that.

[4:07:36] >> any other thoughts or comments

[4:07:37] of the applicant.

[4:07:38] >> based on

[4:07:39] a couple of questions I think what will

[4:07:40] be very

[4:07:42] helpful is a scaled cross section. So

[4:07:43] we can

[4:07:45] see your description of the houses,

[4:07:47] are a little bit higher. The wall

[4:07:48] that exists is

[4:07:50] on a 2-foot wall. If we had a cross

[4:07:51] section that goes from sandy

[4:07:54] lake on back, I think that would help

[4:07:57] to visualize a lot better. I

[4:07:59] think I can follow what you're describing. But

[4:08:00] visually it's

[4:08:03] hard to see. Are those houses elevated. Are

[4:08:05] they lower. How is the wall? And I

[4:08:07] know you can't

[4:08:08] worry about across the street. But

[4:08:10] then how do

[4:08:11] the trees, you know, and any kind

[4:08:13] of beef

[4:08:15] up of the buffering in the back visually

[4:08:19] screening will, I think will be

[4:08:20] appreciated. But a cross section will really

[4:08:22] help to

[4:08:24] communicate that better so it's better understood.

[4:08:25] >>

[4:08:26] understood. It's good advice.

[4:08:27] >>

[4:08:28] I would just make the comment. It

[4:08:29] seems like

[4:08:31] you have a fairly

[4:08:33] good representation of the neighborhood

[4:08:36] here. I'm sure they have a homeowners

[4:08:37] association that meet periodically. It

[4:08:39] would be productive to make that connection

[4:08:43] some where.

[4:08:44] >> we've spoken to

[4:08:45] their board. The association we reached

[4:08:46] out to very

[4:08:49] early

[4:08:52] on that. We had met with

[4:08:53] them once here.

[4:08:54] >> thank you very

[4:08:55] much.

[4:08:56] >> thank

[4:08:58] you.

[4:08:59] >> so I would

[4:09:00] like to adjust a few comments. Just

[4:09:01] regarding this. All the

[4:09:02] items you brought up that's all part

[4:09:04] of the process. But the

[4:09:07] one thing we have to remember,

[4:09:10] this site was basically already

[4:09:12] approved for commercial back in 07. So

[4:09:13] they have

[4:09:15] entitlements. We have to be very careful that

[4:09:16] there's not

[4:09:19] a taking. You know, I asked for

[4:09:21] y'all to reflect a little bit. When

[4:09:22] arbor manor

[4:09:23] was approved for the residential dwelling units

[4:09:25] there were a lot

[4:09:28] of trees that

[4:09:30] were taken out. A lot for those homes. So

[4:09:31] to restrict

[4:09:33] the ability for the site that's already

[4:09:34] been approved

[4:09:37] to develop because that's

[4:09:40] a taking, and so

[4:09:42] that would not be, not be well received. So,

[4:09:45] and you guys have some great comments. I

[4:09:46] totally

[4:09:48] agree. There's going to be some conflictpoints. I

[4:09:49] would

[4:09:50] agree that through the development

[4:09:52] process here. If it

[4:09:54] gets past the pnz if there's the ability

[4:09:55] to

[4:09:56] perhaps move that driveway further

[4:09:58] to the west a

[4:10:01] little bit maybe to try to

[4:10:02] limit or eliminate further conflict through

[4:10:03] that meeting opening there. There could

[4:10:04] be

[4:10:05] an issue. I do agree with cole. Sorry I

[4:10:09] put you on the spot there cole. That

[4:10:10] you know, we may

[4:10:13] take a look at that to see if there's any

[4:10:16] ways to improve safety

[4:10:17] if possible. But it hasn't been evaluated formally. I

[4:10:19] was not aware of cut

[4:10:22] through traffic but if

[4:10:24] there's any ways for the hoa to under

[4:10:25] take some measures to

[4:10:27] try to reduce some things I would

[4:10:28] be

[4:10:30] all for that. But sorry that's really occurring. That's

[4:10:34] the first time I've ever

[4:10:35] heard of that one there. And, but

[4:10:37] then I've got to

[4:10:38] also reflect to the applicant, that they've

[4:10:40] done a lot, a lot

[4:10:42] on the site to really try to make it

[4:10:43] better. And I

[4:10:46] feel like they've done a lot of things

[4:10:48] to actually make it better than what

[4:10:49] was initially approved. So

[4:10:52] those are just my

[4:10:55] thoughts. Any other thoughts by

[4:11:01] the commission? Okay is there a

[4:11:10] motion by the commission? I

[4:11:13] will

[4:11:19] make a motion to approve

[4:11:22] sandy lake

[4:11:31] plot 1-a to lot 1 block a.

[4:11:32] >> you

[4:11:33] also

[4:11:34] have the plat, if you

[4:11:37] would include that.

[4:11:38] >> and the replat. >> that

[4:11:39] was

[4:11:40] item 13 on

[4:11:43] the agenda there. So we have a motion by commissioner

[4:11:46] dobmeier is there a second.

[4:11:47] >> I'll

[4:11:49] second it.

[4:11:50] >> we have

[4:11:52] a second by commissioner

[4:11:55] hafemann.

[4:11:56] >> please respond by

[4:11:58] saying aye or nae.

[4:11:59] >>

[4:12:00] commissioner dobmeier.

[4:12:01] >> aye. >>

[4:12:02] commissioner

[4:12:03] blankenship.

[4:12:04] >> aye. >> commissioner

[4:12:05] the

[4:12:06] haas.

[4:12:07] >> aye. >> commissioner bishop. >>

[4:12:08] aye.

[4:12:09] >> all approve, none opposed. >>

[4:12:10] thank you to the al

[4:12:11] cant. -- applicant. Thank you for

[4:12:13] the residents who

[4:12:16] have provided input. This

[4:12:19] must

[4:12:22] still go through

[4:12:25] the council. So --we did

[4:12:28] meet in presession to

[4:12:31] review those. I'm

[4:12:34] going to pass that. Item

[4:12:35] 15 is adjournment. Unless there's

[4:12:37] any other comments

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