[0:04] like to call the city of Duval committee

[0:05] of the whole workshop uh for August 18,

[0:08] 2026 to order at 5:31

[0:12] uh p.m. First item on the committee of

[0:15] the whole workshop agenda and review of

[0:18] the regular uh meeting agenda. And I

[0:20] just um wanted to let folks know I do

[0:23] plan to submit a motion the regular

[0:25] council meeting to extend the public

[0:27] comment period. Uh so um if that's

[0:30] something other council members are

[0:31] considering just uh just to be aware of

[0:33] it. Are there any other changes or

[0:36] adjustments to the agenda we need to

[0:38] make note of?

[0:42] Seeing none, we will move on to the

[0:44] first of our discussion items this

[0:46] evening. Um and I do want to welcome the

[0:48] audience. We've got quite a few folks in

[0:50] the room with us today. Um

[0:53] and that is a presentation from the King

[0:56] County Library System regarding the

[0:57] Dubal Library and Denise um Balo uh the

[1:01] regional manager of the King County

[1:03] Library System will be presenting that

[1:05] she might be on

[1:07] >> Oh, I think

[1:09] [laughter]

[1:10] I saw the slide go up and

[1:14] >> so I will turn it over to you. You can

[1:17] make whatever introduction you want to

[1:18] make as well.

[1:21] Thank you, Mayor Mckenry and city

[1:23] council for welcoming us here today to

[1:26] share some information about King County

[1:28] Library System and the Duval Library. My

[1:30] name is Denise Mcgalo and I am the

[1:32] regional manager, one of nine regional

[1:34] managers uh in the King County Library

[1:37] System and my responsibilities include

[1:39] oversight and support for the Duval

[1:40] Library. I have some of my colleagues

[1:43] here with me today, Angie Benedetti,

[1:46] director of collection and access over

[1:48] there. Um, and to my left here is Naomi

[1:51] Fogerty. She's the librarian and

[1:53] information services manager in our

[1:56] region. And we have another one who's

[1:57] coming soon. And then I have with us

[2:00] Amanda Bishop who is our adult services

[2:02] librarian. Uh, and she works full-time,

[2:04] but she serves Carnation and Duvall

[2:07] together. Um, and then we have a Duo

[2:10] library board member. Jess, are you over

[2:12] there?

[2:12] >> Yeah.

[2:14] >> Jess in the audience as well. So, I want

[2:16] to welcome them as well.

[2:19] Um, so I wanted to just start with our

[2:22] mission and that is to inspire the

[2:26] people of King County to succeed through

[2:29] ideas, interaction, and information.

[2:32] Um, [clears throat]

[2:35] and then next slide, please.

[2:36] >> Oh, you have a

[2:38] >> I have I have I'm not sure how to

[2:42] >> Okay, I will give a word up there.

[2:44] Beautiful. Okay, got it.

[2:49] So the King County Library has 50,

[2:51] that's what I said, hi location just

[2:54] throughout the county and our libraries

[2:57] were divided up by regions there and the

[2:59] glacier region that's us up there.

[3:01] That's that giant big looks like a

[3:04] wrench. We include Carnia, Duvall,

[3:08] Kingsgate, Kirkland, Woodville, and the

[3:11] Skycomish Library.

[3:14] And this last year, King County

[3:17] libraries circulated 21 million items

[3:21] throughout the county. 11 million were

[3:24] digital items. So about half of what we

[3:27] circulate is digital. We are number two

[3:30] in the United States and number four in

[3:33] the world. And these represent 42.8% of

[3:38] household market reach.

[3:48] And so here's some just some numbers for

[3:50] you, some statistics. Our total

[3:52] circulation at the Duvall Library, this

[3:55] includes physical items and digital

[3:57] items in 2025, was about 250,000

[4:01] items. Uh, and we had 6,247

[4:05] active patrons, people who were using

[4:07] their card with some regular regularity.

[4:10] And in that year, we had over 865

[4:14] new accounts added. Uh so you could see

[4:17] that there are people that are moving in

[4:18] and and getting cards at the library.

[4:21] And for 2025, we had over 70,000 total

[4:24] library visits. Uh our stats for 2026 is kind of around about the same, but

[4:31] we're looking to maybe meet the same

[4:32] kind of target because it it es and

[4:34] flows each month uh in terms of the

[4:37] totals. Uh and then one important number

[4:39] I just wanted to point out. Uh you as

[4:42] you know we're open seven days a week.

[4:44] Uh and on average we have 26 people

[4:46] coming through the library doors every

[4:48] open hour which is pretty significant

[4:51] for community library.

[5:02] Okay. So, one of the things I wanted to

[5:05] tell you about because I think you know

[5:07] um already that um the library does

[5:09] story times, the library has activities

[5:12] for teens. We do craft afternoons for uh

[5:14] teens and adults. Uh so those things

[5:16] that you actually see happening in the

[5:18] library. But some of the things that you

[5:20] don't know where King County Library is

[5:22] supporting the community is things that

[5:24] we're doing when we're going to schools,

[5:26] when we're going to community events, uh

[5:28] to other other areas and partners in the

[5:32] community. And so one of the things our

[5:34] outreach staff and this is staff that is

[5:36] uh supported at the system level and

[5:38] they go to all different types of places

[5:40] daycarees um senior centers those kinds

[5:44] of things regularly to bring materials

[5:46] for them to check out and here in Duval

[5:48] uh they support acres of diamonds once a

[5:51] month and Braithburn Academy once a

[5:53] month. So, I wanted you to kind of point

[5:55] that out. It's something extra that

[5:57] we're doing here in Duvall. And then our

[6:00] Duval and Carnation librarians, they're

[6:03] providing lots of outreach to our

[6:04] schools, uh, senior center and and and

[6:08] those kinds of things. And here, she

[6:10] does work at the Snow Valley Senior

[6:12] Center and coordinates and co-creates

[6:14] programs with them there. Uh, and so

[6:16] those are things you that they're busy

[6:18] doing and wondering where the librarians

[6:20] are. That's what they're out there

[6:21] doing. Um, and certainly supporting our

[6:23] schools is a really important thing.

[6:25] Reaching children and students in our

[6:28] schools directly that can't get to the

[6:30] library, don't know about the library.

[6:32] Really important for them to be doing

[6:34] that.

[6:36] Okay.

[6:39] And then I really wanted to focus I know

[6:41] this year because both Amanda and our

[6:44] new children's team service just started

[6:47] this in the last months or so. Amanda,

[6:50] even a little bit later, right?

[6:51] [laughter] So, they're just kind of

[6:54] getting their, you know, feet to the

[6:55] ground and out there and doing things.

[6:57] And so, right away, we're we're doing

[7:00] and partnering with you, you the city

[7:02] with different events. And we're really

[7:04] proud of that work and we want to

[7:06] continue that work. Uh, we have the

[7:08] touch a truck program at Deepo Park

[7:10] which was on May 20th and I think that's

[7:13] you Amanda there in the picture. Yeah.

[7:15] Okay.

[7:16] >> Uh and then we had um the bookw walk at

[7:18] two two moons park uh for a month uh

[7:21] just over the uh first month of summer

[7:24] there uh duval days which we always

[7:27] participate and have a a nice table out

[7:29] front and we see so many people uh

[7:32] during that day uh and connect with them

[7:34] to get them signed up for summer reading

[7:36] and all those things. And then something

[7:38] uh I think new that we're doing this

[7:40] year Sarah started an outdoor story time

[7:42] which is continuing through the end of

[7:44] the month. Hope that is going well. Uh Ronnie, our manager, got this

[7:48] wonderful picture with Sarah in the

[7:50] midst of bubbles, which I loved. So, I

[7:52] wanted to add that one there. Uh and

[7:54] then summer reading, uh which we do

[7:57] every summer, uh so far, and I'm sure

[7:59] this number has maybe grown a little

[8:00] bit, but we have over 400 readers signed

[8:03] up city of Dufall, uh for our summer

[8:06] reading program.

[8:13] That's all I got. Thank you. Do you have

[8:16] any questions questions or for any of

[8:18] us? [laughter]

[8:20] >> I'm an insider. Um, so 400 is that kids

[8:23] and adults if you do adult summer

[8:25] reading too this year.

[8:26] >> This was just for kids because we

[8:28] everybody signs up through Beanstack and

[8:30] the cool thing about Beanstack is it

[8:32] collects some numbers and data for us.

[8:33] So we're able to kind of chat and see.

[8:35] So this is kids to

[8:39] >> Yeah. We have the bingo for adult this

[8:41] year.

[8:42] >> Yeah.

[8:42] >> And that does not require sign up. They

[8:45] bingo car.

[8:50] » Uh I just had a quick comment. I do a

[8:52] lot of road tripping up to Skycomish and

[8:54] it is always surprising to me that right

[8:56] off the railroad you see the King County

[8:58] Library out there

[8:59] >> and it's surprising because it's just so

[9:01] way out there but you're still getting

[9:02] the service out there.

[9:04] >> And I think I also wonder I was

[9:06] wondering 2025.

[9:09] This is a brand new garden.

[9:11] >> Nice.

[9:12] Nice.

[9:13] >> So, yeah, y'all are doing a great job.

[9:14] Big fan of our library system and I'm

[9:17] glad to be a feature.

[9:18] >> Thank you.

[9:19] >> Yeah, we do quite a bit of events uh at

[9:21] Fish Library, too. And our librarians,

[9:24] they work they work collaboratively in

[9:26] the valley. Um we team up to go to

[9:28] community events. Uh so, it's not just

[9:31] one person doing one thing or one

[9:33] audience. We're working together with

[9:36] our partners, with with the schools,

[9:38] with each other across our region. You

[9:40] know, hey, who's available on such and

[9:42] such day? I want to go to this event. I

[9:44] need a couple people to be at that

[9:45] table. So, it's it's it's wonderful work

[9:49] that they do together. I'm very proud of

[9:50] all their efforts.

[9:53] >> Other questions from council? I have a

[9:55] question, but I want to give uh

[10:00] um sort of two two questions slightly

[10:02] different. uh one is obviously you know

[10:04] there was a co and then there was a lot

[10:06] of um just the transition in terms of

[10:08] media type and and I know the library

[10:11] supports a lot I I assume the

[10:13] investments in terms of you know ebooks

[10:15] as well as regular books that that

[10:17] you've continued to keep pace with that

[10:18] so I appreciate it um I was sort of on

[10:21] the picking up books for my daughter and

[10:23] you know the whole matching cards and

[10:25] getting the right accounts and and uh

[10:27] appreciated that I was curious you

[10:29] mentioned on one of the slides um the

[10:32] outreach to the schools and obviously

[10:33] they have their own libraries. Do you

[10:35] coordinate with the librarians and sort

[10:36] of try to address gaps or uh is it more

[10:40] of a sort of outreach in terms of these

[10:43] resources that are available that we

[10:45] have here in terms of the library? I

[10:46] just kind of curious how that

[10:48] interaction works. I mean I think the

[10:50] focus has been um their their primary

[10:55] motivation is actually just connecting

[10:56] with those students and yes they're

[10:58] talking to faculty or the school

[10:59] librarians uh and coordinating those.

[11:02] They've done a lot of lunchtime crafts

[11:05] which has really been a big hit as just

[11:07] a an easy way to just connect and talk

[11:10] with students directly. Um, think of any

[11:14] other things that in the schools here.

[11:18] >> Hi, Angelina Benadi. Uh, Brenovich.

[11:22] Welcome. Glad to be here uh for council.

[11:25] I am the uh regional uh director for the

[11:28] um region here. um every school, every

[11:32] school district that we work with in um

[11:35] uh our in our uh KCLs, we work with the

[11:38] districts in order to make sure that

[11:40] every student has a student card and

[11:43] that card can access all of our

[11:45] databases and all of our uh digital

[11:47] materials.

[11:48] >> And so that's something that every

[11:49] student we work with schools in order to

[11:51] be able to provide that.

[11:54] Yeah, [clears throat]

[11:58] » I have a comment. Everyone said I I just

[12:00] want to thank you for also just seeing

[12:02] that there's space in Duvall for youth

[12:04] especially. Um there's not a lot of

[12:06] places for kids to hang out here and the

[12:08] library is a big spot. I know I

[12:10] personally used it to drop kids off for

[12:11] their meetups with other friends and

[12:13] it's just such a welcoming place. And I

[12:16] also say like I loved the um the ad

[12:19] campaign for letting people know about

[12:22] using your library card. you get free

[12:24] museum tickets um in the Seattle area.

[12:26] That was really something I hadn't heard

[12:28] of before and I I definitely saw a push

[12:30] on social media to tell people about

[12:31] that. So, that was a really cool program

[12:33] and I'm assuming that's year round that

[12:34] that's always available. I know it's

[12:36] limited per day than for the but

[12:39] >> it is. And then we also have something

[12:40] special going on with Pacific Science

[12:42] Center for a certain day coming up. I'm

[12:44] forgetting the date of the moment.

[12:46] >> I'm sure it's on the website though.

[12:48] >> Yeah. Well, thank you. But yeah, there's

[12:50] just a lot of great benefits being a

[12:52] member and it's it's been a great

[12:53] resource in our community. So, thank

[12:54] you.

[12:56] >> Appreciate it. Thank you.

[12:57] >> Thank you so much.

[13:01] Thank you.

[13:04] >> Yeah. An item on our council hall agenda

[13:07] is proposed provisions to do municipal

[13:10] code 8.12 on social events and that will

[13:12] be that discussion will be presided by

[13:14] uh our communications and community

[13:17] events manager.

[13:19] >> Um good evening council mayor. Um so

[13:23] this is just really an update to an

[13:26] older policy.

[13:28] Um, the last significant update was in

[13:31] 1997 and now we're taking the

[13:33] opportunity to bring it up to date and

[13:34] incorporate the WCA's

[13:37] recommendations.

[13:39] >> Oh, fancy.

[13:42] >> Is it just the

[13:47] power?

[13:49] >> Okay. Um, so there aren't any major

[13:51] changes to the city's overall approach

[13:53] with special events. for mainly

[13:55] clarifying the process and strengthening

[13:57] some of the risk management pieces

[13:59] behind or sorry based on WCIA's

[14:02] recommendations

[14:04] and I believe that those recommendations

[14:06] were back in 2022.

[14:11] So, next steps,

[14:14] council review and feedback. And I

[14:15] believe one council member sent over um

[14:18] council member Wiggins had sent over

[14:21] some recommendations and working with

[14:23] Oscar to finalize and bring back the

[14:25] adoption.

[14:29] » Any questions?

[14:32] >> Uh any questions or comment from

[14:34] council? I don't know if you have any

[14:35] council member.

[14:37] >> I had a couple little notes. Is it

[14:40] better that I provide those now or

[14:41] should I just email them over later?

[14:43] >> Uh, email would be great.

[14:45] >> Okay, happy to do that.

[14:48] >> And then you can bring that back to us.

[14:51] >> Yeah. Yes, I believe on September.

[15:01] » Well, thank you.

[15:03] Um our our third um discussion item for

[15:08] this evening is website challenges

[15:10] related to new initiatives by the uh ADA

[15:13] the Americans with Disabilities Act and

[15:15] that will also be by Rita Moreno our

[15:18] communications and community events

[15:20] manager.

[15:21] [laughter]

[15:23] >> So today I'd like to just give a quick

[15:25] overview of what the ADA accessibility

[15:27] means spec specifically for our city

[15:30] website.

[15:32] That's very cool.

[15:35] >> Okay. So, um the ADA requires local

[15:39] governments to provide equal access to

[15:41] their services and information and that

[15:43] includes information we provide online

[15:45] through our website. For the website,

[15:47] that means making sure people with

[15:49] disabilities can accept can access and

[15:51] navigate our information using tools

[15:53] like screen readers, keyboard

[15:55] navigation, and other assisted

[15:57] technology.

[16:01] So when we talk about website

[16:04] accessibility, there are a lot of

[16:06] different pieces that are going into

[16:08] that. Things like making sure our pages

[16:11] have clear headings and navigation, that

[16:13] there's enough contrast between text and

[16:15] backgrounds, and that images have

[16:17] alternative text. It also includes

[16:20] making sure forms, PDFs, and other

[16:23] documents are accessible and that videos

[16:25] have captions. The goal is really to

[16:28] make sure that someone with a disability

[16:29] can get the same information and

[16:31] complete the same tasks on our website

[16:33] as everyone else.

[16:37] So, what have we done so far? We've

[16:39] already started working on accessibility

[16:41] improvements. We've been reviewing the

[16:43] website, identifying areas that need

[16:45] attention, and addressing issues as we

[16:47] come across them. Uh we're also

[16:49] utilizing accessibility tools and

[16:51] resources that are available through

[16:53] Civic Plus which is our um

[16:58] backend sorry

[17:01] >> website.

[17:02] >> Yeah, website software. Um so going

[17:05] forward we are incorporating our

[17:06] accessibility into uh the way we create

[17:09] and update our documents training with

[17:12] staff so that they can learn how to

[17:14] create these documents so we don't have

[17:15] to go back and and fix things. So, uh,

[17:18] we had a summer intern for events and

[17:22] communications this summer and that was

[17:23] really great. She started working on

[17:25] adding um the alternative text to all

[17:28] the images on our website and that is

[17:30] alone was a big project that is not

[17:32] completed. So, every single image on our

[17:35] website needs the the alt text. So,

[17:38] that's just a little glimpse into what

[17:40] um what some of those updates look like.

[17:45] do um there's still like I said quite a

[17:49] bit of work for us to do. Um we have a

[17:51] large amount a large amount of existing

[17:53] content on our website. So some of our

[17:55] older pages, some of our older PDFs,

[17:57] there's a ton of documents on there um

[18:01] that need to be updated. So the next

[18:04] step is to do a little bit more like a

[18:06] deeper dive, a deeper review. Uh

[18:08] prioritize the areas that have the

[18:10] greatest impact on our users. So what

[18:12] pages are visited the most? uh what

[18:14] information are people looking at, what

[18:16] forms are people using, what PDFs are

[18:18] being accessed, and those are the ones

[18:19] that we can kind of work on first. So,

[18:22] uh the goal, the end goal is to create a

[18:24] process that we can maintain going

[18:26] forward. So, like I said, rather than

[18:28] consistently going back and fixing

[18:30] things so that when we're creating

[18:32] things, they already are on our website

[18:34] with all those those boxes checked.

[18:40] Um, so yeah, that's kind of what I

[18:42] ultimately I said our goal is to make

[18:44] sure the city's website is accessible

[18:46] for everyone in our community. And we've

[18:49] made a start. We've identified areas

[18:51] that need attention. And now we have a

[18:53] path forward to continue improving

[18:55] accessibility and make it a part of how

[18:57] we manage the website moving forward for

[18:59] everyone.

[19:02] >> Questions, comments from council.

[19:04] member.

[19:05] >> Yeah. What type of uh kind of

[19:07] disabilities uh are you planning to

[19:11] accommodate here? Is it people that are

[19:13] deaf, people that are blind?

[19:14] >> Exactly. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So,

[19:18] >> yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's

[19:21] the color color blindness, deafness, um

[19:24] people that are using third party like

[19:27] readers, screen readers. So just making

[19:29] like I said the contrast between images

[19:32] making sure that it the websites are

[19:34] laid out in a fashion that when the

[19:36] screen reader is reading it that it goes

[19:38] in order makes sense like heading one

[19:40] heading two. So yeah.

[19:43] >> And how far back in time are you

[19:46] planning to um make these changes to

[19:49] >> the dinosaurs? [laughter]

[19:52] That's a great question. I mean I think

[19:54] uh we are using audio eyes. So like

[19:57] we're using a couple different things

[19:58] from Civic Plus right now and so it's

[20:00] going through our whole website

[20:03] essentially. So everything that's on

[20:05] there and that's another thing for us to

[20:07] discuss internally is um discussing

[20:10] archiving pages and documents that are

[20:12] so old that maybe they have no use on

[20:14] the website anymore.

[20:17] was curious um you know Rita in sort of

[20:19] my prior life I worked for Microsoft and

[20:22] the suite you know office 365 is kind of

[20:24] what we use on top of the CMS system the

[20:27] civics plus which is doing the content

[20:29] management on the back end that has an

[20:31] accessibility checker for for powerpoint

[20:33] documents word documents spreadsheets um

[20:37] I know traditionally we have not run

[20:38] that through and so there's the website

[20:40] which is where this particular topic was

[20:44] targeted but there's you know

[20:46] distribution council. There's no

[20:47] guarantee we won't get a council member

[20:48] that's color blind or um but it's also

[20:51] you know the the making documents

[20:53] available in email. Does this extend

[20:56] beyond the website to individual

[20:58] documents beyond just PDFs and web pages

[21:00] uh in terms of process changes for for

[21:02] the the office?

[21:04] >> Yeah. So I think once we figure out how

[21:08] to get everybody on the same page,

[21:09] right? So internally like we need to

[21:11] meet as people that are creating these

[21:13] documents that are going onto the

[21:15] website and I think you're you're right

[21:16] exactly that it'll lead into all of our

[21:18] documents going forward because we will

[21:21] have the training to how to create those

[21:24] documents. So it's using the tools that

[21:26] we already have on Microsoft Word and

[21:28] creating PowerPoint presentations.

[21:31] >> So there's some cleanup work as well as

[21:32] sort of like the process putting the

[21:34] process and framework in place going forward.

[21:38] city administrator again. Um so

[21:40] complimentary to this work we are by the

[21:43] end of the year also going to do a style

[21:44] guide for internal um document creation

[21:49] and um well basically document creation

[21:53] whether it's PowerPoint [clears throat]

[21:55] word so that we are choosing only from

[21:58] the five fonts that can be read by a

[22:02] document reader and so that work will

[22:04] happen at the beginning of the year will

[22:06] all be on a style guide that's

[22:08] consistent with the ADA accommodations

[22:12] and the website accessibility work that

[22:15] needs to be done by April now 2028.

[22:20] >> Everything has to complete that by then.

[22:22] [clears throat]

[22:23] >> So there's a little bit of one by

[22:25] >> a little bit

[22:27] of work.

[22:29] >> Uh oh, sorry, Council Member Wiggins.

[22:34] >> Yeah. Hi. Uh great. Um this is uh good

[22:37] stuff. I like fact that we're doing

[22:39] this. Um, Director McNav answered part

[22:41] of my question. Um, I was going to ask

[22:43] if staff could come back and provide a

[22:45] timeline to that last slide and any

[22:47] costs associated with the work that's

[22:48] being done. I I think I heard some a

[22:50] software that's being used to access and

[22:52] audit the our websites, but I wasn't

[22:55] sure if there's a subscription fee to

[22:57] that or do we own that or what the costs

[22:59] are associated with doing this work.

[23:00] That was my question.

[23:02] >> Administrator. Um, so we've already done

[23:06] the equivalent of a mini audit with the

[23:09] software that we have to do kind of an

[23:11] initial screen and we actually look okay

[23:14] for the most part. So Civic Plus has an

[23:17] audit feature that they've released

[23:19] because every city has to have their

[23:22] website accessible. It was supposed to

[23:23] be by 2027. So we all kind of started

[23:26] doing that work fairly quickly and then

[23:28] the federal government pushed it out

[23:30] until uh 2028. But that doesn't mean

[23:33] that there isn't still a lot of work to

[23:35] be done. So ultimately our goal is to

[23:38] have all of our documents

[23:41] uh edited with alt text on them be

[23:46] formatted for screen readers probably by

[23:51] you know I like to get a little ahead of

[23:52] the curve. You know the goal would be by

[23:54] February of 2028. It could mean as we

[23:57] continue to look at the stuff that's

[23:58] left that we will see a little bit of um

[24:04] uh budget requests for the 2027 and 2028

[24:07] bianium for some of those things that

[24:09] are highly specialized. And if we do

[24:11] make a budget request, that will appear

[24:13] in the uh communications and community

[24:16] events budget.

[24:20] [clears throat]

[24:22] Uh, Council Member Hernandez.

[24:23] >> Uh, in my last job at Nintendo of

[24:26] America, I was actually on the team that

[24:28] had to write all the alt text for our

[24:30] entire website. So, I know what you're up against. Uh, while I may not

[24:35] have the time to actually help you with

[24:37] that, I would if you don't already have

[24:38] a plan, please let me know and I will

[24:40] tell you how we did it. uh for the alt

[24:42] text. Uh it was fairly simple the way we

[24:44] set it up

[24:46] >> uh using an Excel sheet

[24:47] >> and we had a team of six people go

[24:49] through the entire website over the

[24:51] course of six months to get not just the

[24:53] alt text but everything ADA compliant.

[24:56] Uh I can only to give some advice on the

[24:58] alt text. That was all I did.

[25:00] >> That would be great. Thank you.

[25:02] >> Any comments or questions?

[25:05] [clears throat]

[25:06] Thank you.

[25:08] And that brings us to uh our last

[25:10] discussion item um David Syria um which

[25:15] is the dark sky initiative and proposed

[25:17] pilot program and that discussion will

[25:19] be led by C McNab sorry Cynthia McNav

[25:22] our city administrator and David Horren

[25:24] our resident you all who put this

[25:26] initiative proposals together.

[25:29] >> Well I will start with just passing it

[25:32] immediately off to David and thanking

[25:34] him for all of his work. David and I had

[25:37] an opportunity to meet a couple months

[25:40] ago just to talk about this initiative

[25:43] and um you know we always appreciate a

[25:46] resident who is passionate but also I

[25:49] want to make sure that we thank and

[25:50] appreciate David because he does our um

[25:53] night sky events up at Big Rock Ball

[25:55] Field and it's a wonderful free amenity

[25:59] that he offers the community and we

[26:01] really appreciate it. So with that I

[26:03] will hand it over to D.

[26:05] >> Thank you. So I'm David Horn, a Duvall

[26:07] resident for about nine years now and as

[26:10] part of transparency, I'm also a member

[26:11] of the Seattle Astronomical Society and

[26:13] the International Dark Sky Association.

[26:15] So I'm here to talk about um how we can

[26:17] make Duvall Washington a dark sky

[26:21] community.

[26:25] So just going to cover a few things

[26:26] basically. What is light pollutions?

[26:27] What's the impacts um to the environment

[26:30] light pollution? Show how light

[26:33] pollution has been increasing over the

[26:34] years. talk about what is responsible

[26:36] about outdoor lighting. What does it

[26:38] mean to be a dark sky community and then

[26:40] talk about how we would move forward

[26:42] with a proposed dark sky ordinance for

[26:44] the city. So starting out with the first

[26:47] basically what is light pollution? I

[26:48] think most people know what this is.

[26:49] It's just technically humanmade

[26:52] alteration of outdoor light levels um

[26:54] from those occurring naturally which

[26:56] causes ob excessive brightness that

[26:58] causes visual discomfort and glare. Um,

[27:00] sky glow, which is the big one we see.

[27:02] We can even see from Redmond's a

[27:04] brightening of the night sky over

[27:05] inhabited areas. Light trespass where

[27:07] light is going, you know, where it's not

[27:09] supposed to be. Your neighbor's driveway

[27:11] light is moving in your backyard. That

[27:13] would be light trespass. Um, and then

[27:15] clutter where it's just just way too

[27:17] much lighting. It's bright confusing and

[27:18] excessive uh grouping. Um, so what are

[27:21] the impacts um of light pollution? So

[27:25] many ma mainly around um to talk about

[27:28] human human health and well-being. So it

[27:30] affects creating rhythm disruptions,

[27:32] decreased melatonin production, glares

[27:34] and you know impaired vision. Most of

[27:36] the studies to this date are all about,

[27:38] you know, internal lighting and there's

[27:39] ongoing studies about external lighting

[27:41] and how that's changing and so that's

[27:42] not definitive yet. But we do know it

[27:44] affects wildlife and ecosystems. Um, you

[27:47] know, bats, owls, migrated, birds, um,

[27:49] anything that's, you know, doing

[27:51] reproduction reproduction and nocturnal

[27:53] powers, you know, especially around us,

[27:56] around farmland, bees, insects, and

[27:58] pollinators are all attracted to

[28:00] cellulites and it affects um our rural

[28:02] community as well. Um, crime and safety.

[28:04] So it doesn't you have a lot of lights

[28:06] doesn't mean you're safest because

[28:08] there's poor lighting can create glare.

[28:11] So you can't really see what's going on

[28:12] in the glare, but it's better to have a

[28:14] light that turns off by motion timer um

[28:17] by motion sensor. You know, just because

[28:19] you have light, you know, for light sake

[28:20] doesn't make things safer. Um and then

[28:23] on the road just it affects driving. I

[28:24] know when we first moved from sodium

[28:26] vapor lights to LEDs, just driving home

[28:29] in my neighborhood, it was like it was

[28:30] overwhelming. You know, we've gotten

[28:31] used to it over a while. it's really

[28:33] impacted our our night skies. Um, and I

[28:35] can point to tons of studies on this.

[28:37] And then just energy and climate change.

[28:38] You know, we waste billions of dollars

[28:40] nationwide on, you know, 30% of light we

[28:42] just don't even need. Um, and it

[28:45] contributes to just more energy usage

[28:47] overall. So, good stuff here. So, how's

[28:51] this impact Duvall? So, here's a light

[28:54] gradient view of Duvall from 2012 to

[28:57] 2025. And you'll see the different

[28:59] colors there. On the top is a scale

[29:01] known as the bortal scale. We're at

[29:02] completely dark sky. Middle of the ocean

[29:05] is going to be a one and downtown New

[29:07] York City or downtown Seattle is going

[29:09] to be a nine. So we're right now we're

[29:11] about a 5.6. Of the five star parties

[29:14] that Seattle Astro does across the

[29:16] region, we're tied. Don't follow me.

[29:17] It's 5.6. We're the we're one of the

[29:19] darkest skies. And you can see it just

[29:21] used to be downtown in 2012. And you see

[29:23] how with the growth of the city and with

[29:25] the street lights going from sodium

[29:27] vapor to LEDs which are much brighter in

[29:29] full spectrum that gradient has has

[29:31] grown and just covered the entire city

[29:34] region. Even you know we go out ball

[29:35] fields down there in the brown on the

[29:37] right side on the left is under the

[29:39] yellow side. Um when I first moved here

[29:41] 9 years ago I could sit on my back dej I

[29:43] could see the Milky Way. I can see the

[29:44] dark lanes. I can barely see the Milky

[29:46] Way just in that short amount of time

[29:47] just because of the growth of the city.

[29:48] The switch to LEDs. So this just shows

[29:50] you over time how it's growing. You can

[29:52] see how Redmond is encroaching.

[29:53] Redmond's getting bigger. It's growing.

[29:55] Uh it's it's our biggest sky glow is

[29:58] actually Redmond when we're out at the

[29:59] stargazing events.

[30:02] So that's a little bit about how it's

[30:04] >> [clears throat]

[30:04] >> um changed over time. Um I think what we

[30:08] can do is if we had an ordinance and we

[30:12] really, you know, changed the LEDs and

[30:14] we changed and we did everything we were

[30:15] supposed to do, I think we get down to

[30:17] like a bordal 4.5, which would be a like

[30:19] a rural um community. we could, you

[30:21] know, have a beautiful, beautiful night

[30:22] sky.

[30:25] And if we can set an example for other

[30:26] communities around us, we can just get

[30:28] the ball rolling and be the first and uh just make the whole Snomi Valley

[30:32] even better. I did run into Sarah Perry.

[30:34] She came to Dubal days at my booth and

[30:36] she knew all about bats and migrating

[30:38] birds. She goes, "If you can do this in

[30:40] Duvall, let me know because I want to do

[30:42] my whole district, you know, let's just

[30:44] have the starting point." So, it's great

[30:45] support even from King County uh level

[30:48] administration. So, um, so this is just

[30:51] a nice little graphic about what a good

[30:53] light looks like. So, of course, we

[30:55] don't want lights illuminating the sky

[30:57] directly. We want a nice, um, light that

[31:00] has at least 80° and below is, you know,

[31:03] you're not you're not uh illuminating

[31:05] anything above that 80° from the ground,

[31:07] right? Or from from perpendicular here.

[31:08] Um, and of course, the best light at all

[31:10] is one that's not used, not on, turned

[31:11] off, and not needed or it's on a motion

[31:13] sensor.

[31:16] Um so there's basically there's five

[31:18] principles to do this. You know the

[31:19] light should be only used if it's

[31:21] needed. It should be targeted only

[31:23] illuminated what's um needs to be lit

[31:26] up. It should be a low level like only

[31:28] like 3,000 Kelvin so it's a a warmer

[31:30] temperature um and you know should be

[31:33] controlled put it on a timer put it on a

[31:34] motion sensor and um and yeah warm color

[31:38] and low level are kind of go together.

[31:40] But those are five principles of what needs to change um to uh

[31:46] have a low lower level of light

[31:47] pollution.

[31:50] Um so what does it mean to be a dark sky

[31:52] community? So the international dark sky

[31:54] association recognizes certain locations

[31:57] whether it's a a park reserve sanctuary,

[32:00] a city, a community or or smaller

[32:02] community um that you can be certified

[32:05] as being a dark sky. You know, you can

[32:07] put that on there. They get on the map.

[32:08] It's a place to visit. It helps with

[32:11] astro tourism. So in the United States,

[32:14] there are 42 communities, you know,

[32:16] cities and towns that are recognized by

[32:18] the IDA. There's only two in Oregon and

[32:20] only two in Idaho. I was surprised to

[32:21] see u and there's none in Washington.

[32:24] So, uh, chance to start something going

[32:27] in Washington. Um, and to be dark side

[32:30] certified, you don't have to be a portal

[32:32] 2 or something. All you have to do is

[32:35] have a policy, you know, make some the

[32:37] appropriate lighting refits, have an

[32:39] education program, um, and then just

[32:41] continually monitor it to make sure it's

[32:43] just not getting worse. It's getting

[32:44] better over time. And you don't even

[32:46] necessarily have to force the ordinance

[32:48] onto residents because the biggest light

[32:50] polluters are street lights. It's the

[32:52] industry and communities. And if you

[32:54] just educate the rest of the community,

[32:55] they they should, you know, they'll

[32:57] agree and say, "Yeah, I'm going to I can

[32:58] update my my lights on my porch and make

[33:00] sure they're not um setting it out." So,

[33:02] I don't think we would need to go that

[33:04] far. Plus, it's hard to enforce at that

[33:06] level anyway. So, um so I was thinking

[33:08] about that and something new that Cindy

[33:09] we hadn't talked about yet, but I think

[33:11] we wouldn't need to do that. Um so,

[33:14] where do we go from here? So, propose is

[33:17] city ordinance, but I I have given a

[33:19] draft to Cynthia McNab. We take a look

[33:21] at that to start with. um to regulate

[33:24] outdoor lighting. So what this will do

[33:26] will bring back the night skies in Dubal

[33:28] to improve health safety and bring back

[33:31] our rural heritage of dark dark rural

[33:34] skies. Um we could prepare Dubal to

[33:36] become an IDA certified dark sky

[33:38] community which would be huge for I

[33:40] think that help tourism people more

[33:42] people would come for star parties. um

[33:44] people might want to live here in a dark

[33:46] sky, right? That they people come to

[33:47] Dubal because of the rural in the

[33:49] community. Um and then inspire other

[33:52] nearby communities to do the same so

[33:54] that we can get the horizon and just

[33:56] make life better for everybody. Um um so

[33:59] the steps to execute this so first step

[34:01] is to look at the policy, get it

[34:02] written, get it uh reviewed uh by the

[34:05] council and everybody to vote on it. Um

[34:08] this would also include exceptions for

[34:10] you know seasonal holiday lighting of

[34:11] course. So, we're not saying the whole

[34:13] city goes dark. We certainly have

[34:14] lights. We're just going to reduce them

[34:16] and have them aim properly. And there

[34:17] would be, you know, um exceptions for

[34:21] such things as that. Um so, and then

[34:23] once that's done, then you start on the

[34:25] retrofit process. Maybe we start with a

[34:27] pilot area in the city to start with to

[34:29] see if we can, you know, drop the light

[34:31] pollution in that area. See how that

[34:33] goes, get some lessons learned there

[34:34] before we roll it out across the rest of

[34:36] the community. Um and then we would

[34:38] continuing with outreach and education.

[34:40] We're already doing that. we have

[34:41] stargazing events. We could still, you

[34:42] know, could do that working with the

[34:43] schools, bring in students, um, you

[34:46] know, educate them as well. But that's

[34:48] an ongoing thing as part of being

[34:50] certified. And then you just keep

[34:51] monitoring to see if it's getting worse.

[34:52] It's getting better. If it's getting

[34:53] worse, what are we doing wrong? How can

[34:55] we fix it? If it's getting better, well,

[34:57] let's share that with other communities

[34:58] as well. So, that would be um how we

[35:00] would um go apart in four steps, you

[35:03] know, to this process.

[35:05] And then last of all, I just want to

[35:07] thank everybody for letting me speak

[35:08] today. And I love the artwork at the

[35:11] good ball fields. It turned out

[35:13] fantastic.

[35:15] >> Thank you. Any questions for David from

[35:18] council?

[35:20] >> Council member.

[35:22] >> Yeah. Are you aware of a city in

[35:24] somewhere in Scandinavia that replaced

[35:26] their sodium or LEDs with red lighting?

[35:30] >> Yes. Yes, I have seen that. Yeah.

[35:31] >> Yeah. So, um,

[35:33] >> and that's because of a certain bat, I

[35:35] think,

[35:36] >> was crossing this one area of road, this

[35:38] one highway, and they just put it on

[35:40] that section so the bat migrations would

[35:41] continue. So, yeah.

[35:43] >> Okay. Would that um red LED lighting,

[35:46] would that decrease the amount of light

[35:48] pollution or

[35:49] >> absolutely do it. And I would love to

[35:51] see when the when the um ball fields get

[35:53] expanded that we have some red lighting

[35:55] for for our stargazing nights so people

[35:57] can get from their cars to the to the

[35:59] field without using flashlights and

[36:01] stuff. So I think in certain areas it

[36:02] makes sense but not not the whole city

[36:04] would be red but yeah.

[36:07] >> Yeah.

[36:09] Council member

[36:11] >> uh so back when I was living in in Texas

[36:14] I actually used to go to a little place

[36:15] called Howard Well about 200 miles out

[36:17] of Austin just for the night sky. And I

[36:20] so I really appreciate this because if

[36:21] you ain't never seen a black sky

[36:24] >> it's amazing.

[36:25] >> Texas has a lot of dark sky. Uh there's

[36:27] one in San Antonio specifically that I'm

[36:31] thinking about which was just north of

[36:32] Camp Bullis. It is it was I don't think

[36:35] it was like a dark sky initiative. It

[36:37] was actually Camp Bolis imposed this on

[36:39] people there.

[36:40] >> Uh where they had uh had to decrease the

[36:43] amount of light there. There was a lot

[36:44] of push back for that.

[36:46] >> Uh is that something that you've kind of

[36:49] touched on that we might not have to

[36:51] worry about that here? we don't have to

[36:52] do too too much uh regulation of private

[36:55] lighting. Uh but is this something that

[36:59] we would want to do or think about doing

[37:02] in the future?

[37:02] >> I think we might think about it, right?

[37:04] So if you you got a neighbor, I've got

[37:06] neighbors, you know, I can go talk to

[37:07] them and say, "Hey, would you consider

[37:09] these light? I might even buy it for

[37:10] you, right? Because you're my neighbor."

[37:12] Um but I think yeah, if this trespassing

[37:15] there's and there may be already a rule

[37:17] about trespassing, you know, you can't

[37:19] just shine a bright spotlight in your

[37:20] neighbor's yard, right? there. I I'd be

[37:22] curious to see what's already on the

[37:23] books for that. Um and it needed to be

[37:26] changed. But yeah, good point. Yeah.

[37:29] >> Um curious whether this is a question

[37:32] you may weigh in, David, but for the

[37:33] city administrator. I know that, you

[37:36] know, this is kind of one of those

[37:37] examples of unintended consequences a

[37:39] little bit is the city made worked with

[37:41] PSD. There was some investment to get

[37:43] rid of sort of the the gas lights to the

[37:45] LED. And part of that was around longer

[37:48] lifespan, fewer, you know, short not

[37:50] having to replace the lights as often,

[37:52] but but as I think David indicated,

[37:55] there's actually it's a brighter light,

[37:56] so there's some unintended consequences.

[37:59] Um there's obviously some potential

[38:01] opportunities right now where we do some

[38:04] of the sky watching events whether it's

[38:06] Big Rock Park or to pilot some of this

[38:08] but I was just curious if you could

[38:10] weigh in a little bit in terms of if we

[38:12] did want to pilot you know potential

[38:14] cost and if I'm putting you on the spot

[38:16] that's okay too we can revisit this

[38:18] later when we talk about you know

[38:19] potential ordinance as well.

[38:21] >> Yeah. So, I haven't um priced out both

[38:26] the what PSC may um ask for the city to,

[38:33] you know, contribute if we're asking PSC

[38:35] to replace um some of their

[38:37] infrastructure or lighting. Um so, I

[38:41] haven't started pricing it. I think

[38:44] really the next step will be does

[38:46] council want uh me to work with the

[38:49] draft ordinance and come back with a

[38:52] draft in a pilot area. Um and then we

[38:56] can start talking about the cost of that

[38:57] once we get an ordinance that is a first

[39:01] step. Um and then of course also working

[39:03] with the public works department because

[39:05] they would know far better than I would

[39:07] what infrastructure we have out there

[39:09] for lighting and what would need to

[39:10] change. Um and then also to making sure

[39:13] that we're involving um chief uh you

[39:16] know some areas

[39:18] >> public safety

[39:18] >> there's a public safety component. So

[39:20] where wherever we select to pilot it and

[39:23] begin the process of kind of converting

[39:26] we want to make sure that we're choosing

[39:28] an area that is appropriate from a

[39:31] public safety perspective.

[39:35] >> So is there out there?

[39:36] >> Oh is it okay? I saw another hand

[39:39] though, but it's down [clears throat]

[39:40] now, so I'm not sure. Um,

[39:43] >> um, David, I my background is biology,

[39:46] so I'm obviously very excited about

[39:47] this, but I there are real concerns, you

[39:50] know, in how you phase it or how you do

[39:52] it in a way, and I think education is a

[39:54] really big piece of that as well. Um, so

[39:56] I'm really interested to the the pilot

[39:59] idea and and how you choose the um the

[40:02] area. So we had habitat corridors and if

[40:05] that's a consideration of there are some

[40:07] areas that might have a higher impact to

[40:09] wildlife and focus on those. I think

[40:11] that might also correspond with areas

[40:13] that are less um need in need of light

[40:16] for safety reasons. But I'm especially

[40:17] interested too in like motion detection

[40:20] lighting. Um because we do have this

[40:22] very long main street with all these

[40:24] light but you know at 2 a.m. you know I

[40:27] mean there are some people that go

[40:29] walking at this hour night but

[40:31] especially when it's thought out. So I'd

[40:32] be really interested in how we would

[40:34] what data we would use or maybe you have

[40:36] some insight there to look at a map and

[40:39] say this could be one of the most

[40:40] beneficial areas you know and then

[40:42] overlay that with the other concerns as

[40:44] well.

[40:46] I would say just first off the top of my

[40:48] head there just is go around the edges

[40:49] of where we saw that chart to see if we

[40:51] could decrease it right you could

[40:53] visually see a decrease from satellite

[40:55] views just on the edges would be the

[40:56] best place to start and also as far as

[40:59] replacing all those LEDs I think what

[41:00] you could do temporarily is put a filter

[41:02] on them and then as those burn out

[41:03] replace them with a lower temperature

[41:05] >> that might be a more affordable way to

[41:07] do it.

[41:07] >> Yeah.

[41:10] Council member Owen, Council Member

[41:11] Wiggins, any comments?

[41:16] » Yeah, I mean, I I I love this. I'm in

[41:18] favor of it. Um I would love to to to

[41:21] see this move forward. I thank you, you

[41:23] know, for all your work on this so far,

[41:25] David. And um I did go through the the draft policy and I mean I had some

[41:31] ideas and some thoughts but if if

[41:34] administrator McNav if you're going to

[41:35] kind of do another draft of that then I

[41:38] can wait before I provide any feedback

[41:40] or if it would be helpful I mean I'm

[41:42] happy to email over. I just had a few

[41:44] thoughts about how to how to approach

[41:45] some of the things that were in there

[41:46] now. Um but big picture I love it. I'm

[41:50] happy that we're talking about this and

[41:52] um tourism benefit. Sure. That's great.

[41:55] I would love that. But um really the

[41:57] environmental benefit really, you know,

[41:59] stands out to me and and so yeah, I'm

[42:02] all for this.

[42:06] >> Just it sounds like a straw poll a

[42:07] little bit for direction for the city

[42:09] administrator. There's interest amongst

[42:11] council. So I'd love to hear your point

[42:13] of view as well.

[42:15] >> Uh love the idea. Thank you, David, for

[42:17] coming out. I was curious um how big of

[42:19] a area do we need to uh focus on for

[42:23] retrofit in order to qualify for one of

[42:25] being the first communities in

[42:26] Washington? I really want us to be the

[42:28] first community in Washington.

[42:29] [laughter]

[42:30] How big of a square footage do you need

[42:33] for us to and and my other question was

[42:36] are we going after the residents as well

[42:38] to do something uh with their homes

[42:40] rather than just public rightways? Are

[42:42] we going to ask our residents to do

[42:43] something as well to help out here?

[42:45] What's your thoughts on that? you

[42:47] touched on that but

[42:48] >> yeah so two questions there so as far I

[42:50] think the whole city is what we want to

[42:51] end up doing right to get get certified

[42:53] it has to be the whole boundaries of

[42:55] your city right so unless you wanted to

[42:57] carve out a centary and say this is

[42:59] Duvall west or something and we're going

[43:01] to make this or do all east is going to

[43:03] be but it's the whole city is pretty and

[43:06] you don't have to be there you just have

[43:07] to start the process start the retrofit

[43:09] it takes about one to three years to get

[43:10] a certification because they're going to

[43:12] watch how you're doing it watch your

[43:13] progress and then once you met you know

[43:15] once you've got all those luminires and

[43:17] lights change and you got the hoods on

[43:19] them and the shields then um then yeah

[43:22] then you can get the certifications.

[43:23] That's kind of the area effect. As far

[43:26] as residents that first 2012 image you

[43:29] saw that was you know before you know

[43:31] the LEDs that was the biggest factor is

[43:33] the street lighting um and the fact that

[43:35] the town is growing too but that's not

[43:37] so much residents maybe some of the big

[43:38] apartment complexes but what I've seen

[43:40] most of the new complexes are pretty

[43:42] good lighting as well. So, um I think

[43:45] for the residents,

[43:47] um you know, a vote and maybe it would

[43:50] pass. A lot of people are for this, but

[43:51] they feel forced to do it. But I think

[43:53] if it's voluntary and you just use your neighbors, you know, work with your

[43:56] neighbors, I think that's I think that

[43:57] would be enough to start.

[44:01] » Council member, it sounded like you were

[44:03] for this based on

[44:06] >> So, I would say, you know, it sounds

[44:07] like you have some consensus. Um

[44:09] probably don't get too deep obviously

[44:11] into it. if we need to adjust the work

[44:13] plan, but um at least some initial

[44:15] direction.

[44:17] >> Yeah, perfect. Thank you. And I've been

[44:19] taking notes on some ideas like I really

[44:21] like the idea of kind of starting with

[44:23] the areas around habitat corridors

[44:25] >> um as a way to kind of begin laying out

[44:29] where we can um start doing the work.

[44:33] And I think residents that live near

[44:35] those habitat corridors would probably

[44:38] be keen on voluntary compliance is my

[44:40] sense. Um, but yes, I will take a look.

[44:43] Um, I don't have a timeline in mind yet.

[44:46] Got some other things going on. Um, but

[44:48] I will be sure in the fall to uh

[44:52] bring back a draft.

[44:54] >> I appreciate the feedback on the the

[44:56] filter. So, it's not at all or nothing.

[44:58] It might be some partial mitigation we

[44:59] can do. Um, Council Member Wiggins, can

[45:01] you have a final comment?

[45:02] >> One more one more follow. Hey, David,

[45:04] are there any other cities in Washington

[45:05] that are going after this? Uh,

[45:08] >> also

[45:10] are we are we in a race, buddy?

[45:13] >> There are some on the eastern Washington

[45:14] there are some dark sky locations the

[45:16] astronomers go to. I mean it's like the

[45:17] Golden Dale Sky Village. They haven't

[45:19] you know they could get this

[45:20] certification if they wanted to but they

[45:22] haven't done it. So it's not on the on

[45:24] the list yet. So

[45:25] >> okay,

[45:26] >> we're not going to beat them because

[45:27] it's truly out in the middle of nowhere.

[45:29] But

[45:30] >> as far as a city goes, we would be the

[45:31] first.

[45:33] >> Well, thank you. Appreciate it.

[45:35] >> Thank you. Any comment?

[45:37] >> Uh, no we don't take there's a public

[45:40] comment period. We don't take public

[45:42] comments. Thank you.

[45:44] >> Thank you.

[45:48] » Uh, well that actually concludes our

[45:53] four regular discussion items. We do

[45:55] have some time about 45 minutes before

[45:57] the meeting. So we can move into some

[45:59] mayor and city administrator and council

[46:01] reports and then see where we are.

[46:06] What do you want to do? Oh, do you want

[46:08] to do my report first?

[46:10] >> Just trying to see that. Well, mayor's

[46:12] report is first. You don't have to go

[46:13] first if you don't want to.

[46:16] >> The only thing I was thinking of though

[46:17] is one part of this is talking about the

[46:19] meeting with the King County Executive.

[46:21] Should we cover that here and then high

[46:23] like I'm just wondering people knew that

[46:25] it was happening at the county. That one

[46:27] part I should save or because I have a

[46:30] lot of other things I can go through. I

[46:32] don't know. Yeah, I mean

[46:34] >> I could save that part for the council

[46:36] meeting

[46:38] that way.

[46:39] >> Some may not come to the council.

[46:41] >> So, I'll do all of my report except for

[46:44] the meeting with the King County

[46:45] Executive just so that since we did let

[46:47] some people know we were doing that at

[46:48] the council meeting that it'll happen

[46:50] then. So, I'll tell you everything else

[46:52] that I did. Um, so I attended both the

[46:55] remaining summer stage concerts in July.

[46:57] So, remember we didn't have a council

[46:59] meeting earlier this month. So, a lot of

[47:01] time has passed. Um, and so just a huge

[47:03] thank you to our communications and

[47:05] community events manager. Rita, perfect

[47:07] that you're here. Um, for managing such

[47:09] a wonderful summer stage series this

[47:11] year. I heard compliments from every

[47:13] band that we had. They just thought the

[47:15] setup was wonderful and you were just

[47:16] such a great person to manage it and

[47:18] help them out with everything they

[47:19] needed. Um, of course it was super

[47:21] disappointing. We had to cancel that

[47:23] last one and national night out uh just

[47:25] due to wildfire smoke, but of course

[47:27] it's always vital to um in unsafe

[47:29] conditions to not encourage people to be

[47:31] outside. And then of course for our

[47:32] staff as well. I attended the Swami

[47:35] Valley Oops, I just zoomed in and

[47:38] something crazy. Sorry. Um I attended

[47:41] the Snowqualami Valley local advocacy

[47:43] group which consists of all the human

[47:44] service providers in the Snowqualami

[47:46] Valley as well as the mayors and it was

[47:49] just an informative um meeting and more

[47:52] casual meetup to get to know each other

[47:54] to hear about all the different services

[47:56] that are available in the valley um as

[47:58] well as their needs. Um of course they

[48:00] are always looking for funding. So we

[48:03] you know my advice to them was to not be

[48:04] shy about asking because we just you

[48:06] know we're used to talking about budget

[48:08] and things like that. So, it would just

[48:09] help for them to be forward with asking

[48:11] for their needs. They may not get them,

[48:12] of course, but just to be blunt about

[48:14] it. Um, and as mayors, we were asked to

[48:17] give our advice on how to best

[48:19] communicate with councils. And so, I

[48:20] personally told them to make sure and at

[48:22] least come once a year so that, you

[48:24] know, new council members come in all

[48:26] the time so that they know you exist and

[48:28] what you do and um, go from there. I

[48:31] attended the Snowy Valley Preservation

[48:33] Alliance Taste of the Valley dinner. Um,

[48:36] this organization provides vital

[48:37] advocacy and support to local farmers

[48:39] and this was especially highlighted

[48:41] during the devastating December 2025

[48:43] flood event. But it was a great event.

[48:45] Um, I continue to attend SVGA which is

[48:49] Snowquali Valley Government Association

[48:50] planning meetings as vice president with

[48:52] our president Jolene Williams with the

[48:54] Snowquali tribe as well as Mayor Miller

[48:56] from Northbend and Deputy Mayor Marisan

[48:58] from Carnation. the September meeting

[49:02] which is going to be in Duvall. I just I

[49:03] think we haven't fully connected on that

[49:06] but um we're likely going to do roundts

[49:08] for the cities to discuss their

[49:10] priorities and that will be a way for us

[49:12] to find any overlaps between our cities

[49:14] which I'm sure there's a lot and then we

[49:16] can group together for more effective

[49:18] advocacy u with the county and the

[49:20] state. So if I know what Carnation and

[49:22] North Ben and Snow Call me needs when

[49:24] I'm talking to legislators I can also

[49:25] echo some of those concerns.

[49:28] I was reertified for CPR and first aid

[49:30] in a class with our emergency management

[49:33] coordinator, Luke. He has a fantastic

[49:35] class. So, if you haven't done it yet

[49:38] and next time he has one opening, um,

[49:40] just sign up and attend if you can. I

[49:43] continue to attend the Sound Cities

[49:44] Association board legislative committee

[49:46] meetings. Um, and I'm always adding a

[49:49] small city perspective to the future um,

[49:51] advocacy platform.

[49:53] I attended the Sound Cities Association

[49:56] King County Flood Control District

[49:58] Advisory Committee. I think that is the

[49:59] longest acronym of a committee I'm in

[50:02] meeting. We're working on our

[50:03] recommendation letter to the KCFCD board

[50:06] um just around budget and funding and

[50:08] all that fun stuff. Mayor Prom Mercer,

[50:10] city administrator McNab, and myself met

[50:13] with uh the King County Regional

[50:15] Representative from the governor's

[50:16] office. We had a really productive

[50:18] meeting and we covered a ton of topic

[50:20] top topics of concern for our city.

[50:22] We're using this connection to make

[50:24] progress on coordinating the

[50:26] intersection signals of West Palmi Road,

[50:28] Wooden Buildy Ball Road, which is King

[50:30] County, and Highway 203, Wooden Buildy

[50:32] Ball Road, which is Washdog. Um,

[50:34] especially during flooding events. Um,

[50:36] we made it clear to them those signals

[50:38] do not communicate and just make uh that

[50:40] worse. We also highlighted some of the

[50:41] issues with the main street wooden build

[50:44] road intersection, not just accidents

[50:46] with the misalignment, but also the

[50:48] signal control and that it's very manual

[50:50] and it would be nice to get some

[50:51] attention to that. So, um, he was very

[50:53] interested in those because they seem

[50:54] like they could be quicker fixes. So, I

[50:56] was excited about his reaction to that.

[50:58] Um, I attended one of our parks advisory

[51:01] commission meetings and I spoke to the

[51:03] commissioners about the purpose of the

[51:04] PC as well as some of my hopes for it

[51:07] and I'm really excited about their

[51:09] enthusiasm and some of the ideas they've

[51:10] brought to the table. One of the ones

[51:13] I'm especially excited about is re um

[51:15] reactivating Big Rock, the small Big

[51:17] Rock Park down by Safeway. I think that

[51:19] would be a really fun thing to see

[51:21] happen. Uh, okay. I attended the town

[51:25] city association north mayor's meeting.

[51:27] just the usual what's going on in your

[51:29] city and and just some things I there's

[51:31] a lot of talk about electric motorcycles

[51:33] and ebikes and all that fun stuff. So,

[51:35] we're all feeling the pain. Um my last

[51:38] mayor meet up I had was at Two Moon Park

[51:40] North. There were a ton of families

[51:42] there during the day just enjoying the

[51:43] park and the weather and it was a great

[51:45] setting. And then I've just scheduled

[51:47] the rest of the 2026 mayor meetup dates

[51:50] which reminded me how quickly this year

[51:51] is going. Um I attended the cultural

[51:54] mission art celebration. So again,

[51:55] thanks to Cynthia and Rita for that. You

[51:58] do so much work with that and um I just

[52:00] want to call that out even though I know

[52:02] you probably don't want me to, but it's

[52:04] really important and it just wouldn't

[52:05] get done without you. It was really well

[52:07] attended uh and it was a great showcase

[52:09] of completed works of art and I will

[52:10] just lightly touch on it in case this is

[52:12] in your administrator report, but some

[52:13] of the art's still on the walls and

[52:15] around. I don't know if you're talking

[52:16] about that. Oh, okay. Well, there was a

[52:18] photography contest and it's still up

[52:20] and you can enjoy it. And then those are

[52:21] the new uh little art libraries up in

[52:24] the front room um that are going to be

[52:26] going in a couple different locations in

[52:28] the city. I'm really excited about that.

[52:30] I attended a SBA mayor's lunchon with

[52:33] Challenge Seattle that is headed up by

[52:35] former Governor Christine Gregoire.

[52:37] Challenge Seattle is developing a

[52:38] playbook for local jurisdictions to

[52:40] improve the culture of partnership and

[52:42] strengthen the Pacific Northwest

[52:43] economy. um they're developing this

[52:45] playbook and there were a lot of things

[52:47] in it you'll be pleased to hear that say

[52:49] this is not a budget line item there are

[52:52] a lot of uh free things you know just

[52:54] takes my time but um that can be done so

[52:57] I'm I'm looking at that and and thinking

[52:59] about what I can do in our city alone so

[53:02] uh city administrator McNav and myself

[53:03] met with the Monroe mayor um CUBAC

[53:06] regarding transportation advocacy that's

[53:08] one of her passions and so we're working

[53:10] on more coordination between our cities

[53:12] and more to come on that But I was

[53:14] really excited to make that connection

[53:15] because I think historically we have

[53:17] slightly uh interacted but um just new

[53:21] administrations and we're excited to

[53:23] connect and and make some progress on

[53:24] some things. And then the last thing I

[53:26] have is the meeting with uh King County

[53:28] Executive Zakali and I will save that um

[53:32] so I'll have a mini mayor's report for

[53:33] the city council meeting.

[53:36] >> Thank you. Uh that I will turn it over

[53:39] to city administrator McNab for the the

[53:42] city administrator update.

[53:44] >> Thank you. Um we're going to go in a

[53:48] different order tonight.

[53:50] [laughter]

[53:51] >> Not going to be first L.

[53:55] >> Um and it's not because Lissa's here.

[53:56] The public works is lab. [laughter]

[53:59] Cynthia McNab, city administrator, happy

[54:02] to write our report. Uh so couple

[54:05] things. The parks advisory commission

[54:07] launched a community survey this week to

[54:10] request feedback on King County's Duval

[54:13] Park. So for those of you who don't

[54:15] travel south very often, um as soon as

[54:18] you leave city limits and you're heading

[54:20] towards Carnation, there's a park on the

[54:22] right that is a King County park as

[54:24] opposed to a Duval park. Um the uh city

[54:28] of Duvall doesn't invest in that. It's

[54:30] uh purely King County. So, we're trying

[54:33] to get feedback from our community that

[54:35] we can provide to the executive and King

[54:38] County parks on advocating for some

[54:41] investment in that Duvall park beyond

[54:44] basic maintenance. One thing to know

[54:46] though, it isn't heavily constrained

[54:48] with weather. And so while there are a

[54:51] lot of things we would love to have as

[54:53] park amenities in our community, there

[54:55] are some things so that as much as we

[54:57] may have hopes and dreams that space

[54:59] cannot be used for. So it really has to

[55:01] be passive recreation at the most, maybe

[55:06] frisbee or disc golf, but um it really,

[55:11] you know, some boardwalks, some trails.

[55:13] So, uh, the survey really is asking for

[55:16] those passive recreation ideas because

[55:20] there's no way that we can do sports

[55:22] fields and the county has basically said

[55:24] those ideas are off the table. So, we're

[55:27] looking for other investments that will

[55:29] provide an amenity to our community

[55:31] since it sits right at our back door.

[55:34] Uh, we're finalizing the community

[55:36] feedback for the Third Avenue project.

[55:38] So, we've applied for a transportation

[55:41] um improvement board project. We apply

[55:45] often. Um we submit Third Avenue for

[55:48] that project. The board doesn't love the

[55:50] project. Um is what we've been told

[55:53] using those words. They don't love our

[55:54] project. Um, so we're taking a different

[55:56] tack this year and we're trying to get

[55:57] community feedback to tell the story

[55:59] about why Third Avenue is so important

[56:02] to our community and also why it meets

[56:05] why we believe it meets the program and

[56:08] we believe it does. So we'll be sending

[56:10] some of that feedback. We got really

[56:11] great response. So, we're going to um

[56:14] look through that feedback, provide an

[56:17] executive summary to send not only um

[56:19] with our grant request, but to the board

[56:22] who takes a look at the projects and

[56:24] selects what projects uh should be

[56:26] funded and at what amount.

[56:29] I'm meeting with the Riverview School

[56:31] District next Monday, August 24th, to

[56:33] begin discussion about the school

[56:35] resource officer background. And as a

[56:38] reminder, the funding for that position

[56:40] expired on December 31st, 2025. The city

[56:44] has been carrying the entire expense for

[56:46] the SRO for 2026. So, we just want to

[56:49] have a conversation about

[56:52] uh funding for the position, future for

[56:54] the position. Chief's going to join me

[56:56] in that meeting. Thank you, Chief. And

[56:58] uh we look forward to that conversation.

[57:01] Uh yesterday the Carnation city manager

[57:04] Rhonda and I met with the King County

[57:06] Housing Authority uh to discuss housing

[57:09] inventory and future federal and county

[57:11] projects in the snow pali valley. So

[57:13] this is not the King County Regional

[57:16] Homeless Authority. So that's a separate

[57:19] entity. This is the King County Housing

[57:22] Authority which is not part of King

[57:24] County. It's not a department of King

[57:26] County. It's a separate well they're not

[57:29] a they're a special district but not a

[57:31] special taxing district. They don't

[57:34] generate taxes but they basically are

[57:36] passed through a federal HUD funding for

[57:40] um housing projects and uh they had a

[57:44] map and I'll share at the next council

[57:45] meeting because I haven't had an

[57:46] opportunity to scan it yet. Um they have

[57:49] a map of all their projects in King

[57:51] County and um interesting to note

[57:56] there's not a single Snowquali Valley

[57:58] city on the map. So not only are there

[58:01] no projects out here, we're not even on

[58:02] their map. And so the closest that we

[58:06] have of one of these programs that is

[58:08] federally funded is the new program

[58:10] that's going in in the city of Isiqua.

[58:13] And they have a small senior project

[58:15] they said in North Bend. But one, we

[58:17] need some calamie valley to be on their

[58:19] map and be a area of focus and

[58:21] attention. So, it's a really good first

[58:23] conversation. They're going to send us

[58:25] some data on how many people in the

[58:28] valley access section 8 and some of

[58:31] those HUD programs so we can start the

[58:33] conversation about how potentially to

[58:35] have you know some projects come to the

[58:38] valley that support um probably specific

[58:41] communities just because we don't have

[58:43] the land for you know a big massive HUD

[58:46] project but we do have opportunity for a

[58:48] small senior housing project like the

[58:50] one in Carnation and so it was a really

[58:52] good first conversation we're looking

[58:53] forward to continuing that dialogue.

[58:57] Uh, next slide.

[59:00] >> So, uh, I wrote this, but it might be a

[59:02] different day. Uh, so we're working with

[59:04] the farmers market, uh, to reschedu the

[59:07] children's market. So, they've offered

[59:09] to host it in conjunction at uh,

[59:13] Taylor's Landing with their farmers

[59:15] market. Initially, we thought maybe next

[59:17] week would work, but it looks like we

[59:19] might have to push that into September.

[59:21] Um the biggest issue is school will be

[59:23] back in session. So we'll need to make

[59:25] sure that the students can set up uh

[59:29] later uh during the farmers market

[59:31] because farmers market is 3 to 8. So um

[59:34] we'll just figure out the logistics, but

[59:37] um it's a great partnership. Uh Rita is

[59:39] meeting at the farmers market tomorrow

[59:41] to work through all those logistics.

[59:44] As a reminder, lunch with the campers is

[59:47] tomorrow. if you can make it down to

[59:49] Depot Park or McCormack Park. I'm not

[59:51] quite sure. They said McCormack Park.

[59:53] It's traditionally been in depot park,

[59:55] but head down to the water where there

[59:58] are a bunch of little kids.

[1:00:01] Um I'm in collective bargaining all day

[1:00:04] tomorrow with the Dual Police

[1:00:06] Association. So that uh collaboration

[1:00:09] and discussion is continuing with hope

[1:00:11] that we'll have a successor left

[1:00:15] agreement to present to council in the

[1:00:17] next few months. Um on Friday I'm

[1:00:19] meeting with the Sony Valley Senior

[1:00:21] Center to discuss a joint grant we

[1:00:23] received from council member Perry to

[1:00:25] offer senior services in Duval in

[1:00:28] Spanish. So it's pilot program. Excited

[1:00:30] about that. I'm going to pause there.

[1:00:33] That's the updates and then we'll move

[1:00:34] on to the next slide which kind of a

[1:00:36] different topic

[1:00:38] >> questions.

[1:00:41] >> All right.

[1:00:42] >> So wanted to provide some general

[1:00:44] information about public comment. Um had

[1:00:48] a brief discussion with the city

[1:00:50] attorney today on just kind of the who,

[1:00:54] what, where's why on how the city of

[1:00:56] Duvall manages public comment. So, we

[1:00:58] follow best practices for receiving and

[1:01:01] considering public comment. Um, our

[1:01:03] public comment procedures have been

[1:01:05] vetted and reviewed by our city

[1:01:07] attorney's office. We continue to look

[1:01:09] at guidance from MRC, which is kind of

[1:01:11] where all the cities go to for expert uh

[1:01:15] opinions about, you know, anything

[1:01:18] municipal, whether it's public comment.

[1:01:20] And so most of our process for public

[1:01:23] comment has been guided either by

[1:01:26] experts from MRC or our city attorney.

[1:01:30] Um just kind of the framework for best

[1:01:33] practices are couple key components.

[1:01:36] Public home is considered input to city

[1:01:38] council and decision makers but doesn't

[1:01:41] serve as instruction to staff the mayor

[1:01:43] or city council. And that's how we take

[1:01:45] it. we take it as input and not

[1:01:47] instruction to um do a particular thing.

[1:01:51] Uh public comment is considered often

[1:01:53] alongside technical anal analysis, legal

[1:01:56] requirements, adopted policies, adopted

[1:01:59] decisions that city council has made,

[1:02:02] staff recommendation and other public

[1:02:04] input received just beyond public

[1:02:06] comment. Um decision makers agree with

[1:02:10] some comments, may agree, may suggest

[1:02:12] modifying a proposal. um they may not

[1:02:15] seek a request a change based on the

[1:02:17] input they receive. And I think it's

[1:02:20] really worth um calling out any motion

[1:02:23] made by city council that's adopted by a

[1:02:25] majority of council that becomes the

[1:02:28] decision and city staff take that

[1:02:30] decision and that guides our actions. So

[1:02:33] if city council has decided something a

[1:02:35] year ago, two years ago and hasn't

[1:02:37] changed their mind, city staff will

[1:02:39] proceed with the decision that city

[1:02:41] council has made in prior meetings.

[1:02:45] Slide. So thinking about what does

[1:02:48] consider mean? Meaning um all public

[1:02:51] comment is considered in the context of

[1:02:53] an open agenda item. Um comments become

[1:02:57] part of the information that decision

[1:02:58] makers use when they evaluate a

[1:03:00] proposal. Um feedback helps identify

[1:03:03] community concerns, priorities,

[1:03:05] potential impacts of a decision um or a

[1:03:08] decision of council or recommendation um

[1:03:10] from staff for matters before

[1:03:13] commission. So we have a parks, a

[1:03:15] planning, a cultural, we have a library

[1:03:17] board, we have a civil service

[1:03:18] commission. The commissioners consider

[1:03:20] input along with staff analysis,

[1:03:23] planning requirements and other

[1:03:25] information before while they deliberate

[1:03:27] and before making a decision.

[1:03:30] um our best practice which we follow at

[1:03:32] city council considers a full record

[1:03:34] when making its final decision. So

[1:03:36] that's why we try to get um all comments

[1:03:38] that we receive by noon um to council so

[1:03:41] you all have it before you make

[1:03:43] decisions on agenda items and then you

[1:03:46] know considering feedback does not mean

[1:03:47] every request to change will be adopted

[1:03:50] and then final decisions will reflect

[1:03:52] some all or none of the suggestions and

[1:03:56] comment received.

[1:03:58] So that's the framework we have here in

[1:04:00] Duvall.

[1:04:02] And then um I think next slide it's

[1:04:05] worth highlighting because um we're

[1:04:07] talking a lot about the comprehensive

[1:04:09] plan. So the comprehensive plan actually

[1:04:13] dates back to 2024.

[1:04:16] What we're doing now are changes to

[1:04:20] zoning that stem from the policies that

[1:04:24] were adopted

[1:04:26] by city council back in 2025.

[1:04:31] And so while we continue to have public

[1:04:34] comment on some of the outputs of the

[1:04:37] comprehensive plan, the comprehensive

[1:04:39] plan actually started back in 2023. And

[1:04:42] in 2024, a steering committee was formed

[1:04:47] from community members to guide the

[1:04:49] comprehensive plan. And so they kind of

[1:04:53] created the overall intent of the

[1:04:56] comprehensive plan as well as the

[1:05:00] general policies that would be included

[1:05:01] in the comprehensive plan. So that

[1:05:04] steering committee u met multiple times

[1:05:06] back in 2024

[1:05:08] um and into 2025. Additionally, we had a

[1:05:11] separate committee working on the

[1:05:13] housing action plan and they were

[1:05:16] involved in public engagement and um a

[1:05:20] separate committee that developed all

[1:05:21] the housing policies that are also

[1:05:23] informing some of the work we're doing

[1:05:25] right now. And so this slide is from

[1:05:28] excerpts from the comprehensive plan

[1:05:29] that's on our website. If you want to

[1:05:31] look at that public engagement process

[1:05:33] that happened back in 2024 and 2025

[1:05:37] along with a timeline of the dates of

[1:05:40] some of that public input we had in

[1:05:42] developing the policies that ultimately

[1:05:44] made it into the comprehensive plan.

[1:05:49] Uh, next slide. And then before I turn

[1:05:52] it over to Ail, I just wanted to bring

[1:05:55] you a highlight. So, as we've discussed,

[1:05:59] um, zoning is really complicated. It has

[1:06:01] a bunch of different components, um,

[1:06:03] within our code on how something gets

[1:06:05] built and what it looks like. So, um,

[1:06:09] there's zoning, which uh, is before

[1:06:12] council and will continue to evolve

[1:06:14] through deliberation. There's

[1:06:16] development regulations which is what do

[1:06:18] you do with the lot? How is it

[1:06:20] developed? And then there are design

[1:06:22] standards. And so as we've said for a

[1:06:24] couple meetings, design standards are

[1:06:26] under review. Uh we are at the final

[1:06:30] nits and nats of that draft. But I

[1:06:32] wanted to show you a couple highlights

[1:06:34] so you can kind of think about what's

[1:06:36] coming on September 1st at that council

[1:06:38] meeting. So these are a couple excerpts

[1:06:40] from the draft.

[1:06:42] >> [clears throat]

[1:06:42] >> So what you see here are example images

[1:06:46] of different zoning districts. So we're

[1:06:49] providing these pictures and

[1:06:51] architectural drawings uh to developers

[1:06:54] to the residential community so that

[1:06:57] people can imagine and see what we

[1:07:01] want to see and do all um so there are

[1:07:04] example images. There's also zoning

[1:07:06] intent. So that says this is the intent

[1:07:09] of that zoning district. what we want to

[1:07:12] see, what we don't want to see, and then

[1:07:15] there is a desired form. So again, these

[1:07:18] speak to giving developers, giving home

[1:07:22] builders direction on the intent of the

[1:07:25] zone, what we want in the zone, examples

[1:07:28] of what we um want to see in that zone.

[1:07:30] And this will guide design review and

[1:07:34] the hearing examiner's decision whether

[1:07:36] to ultimately approve a particular

[1:07:39] project. On the right side you see the

[1:07:42] mixeduse zoning district, some examples

[1:07:44] of what the MU20

[1:07:47] district, the zoning intent, the desired

[1:07:50] form, and then next slide.

[1:07:53] And then likewise, those draft design

[1:07:55] guidelines have um the zoning district

[1:07:59] for Oldtown and Uptown that describes

[1:08:02] the um district, shows examples of what

[1:08:06] will be approved in that district, the

[1:08:09] zoning intent and the desired form that

[1:08:11] we want to see in those different

[1:08:13] districts. And then uh same for Midtown

[1:08:16] and commercial. And so um there's a lot

[1:08:19] more here. This is just two pages of a

[1:08:22] 40 plus page document um that has other

[1:08:25] architectural renderings. Uh spoiler

[1:08:28] alert, everything in Dubal will have a

[1:08:29] pitch roof. Um so uh just look forward

[1:08:34] to that. We're almost done and looking

[1:08:36] forward to you all seeing kind of these

[1:08:39] designed images for uh the city of

[1:08:42] Duval. And with that, I will turn it

[1:08:44] over to Director Bane. Um

[1:08:48] >> good evening everybody. uh director

[1:08:51] meeting with the department of painting

[1:08:53] de development. Wanted to give you an

[1:08:55] update on some projects that are

[1:08:56] currently under review. Um so the Duval

[1:08:59] mosque has now submitted um building

[1:09:03] permit applications for the support

[1:09:05] building that's across from uh the

[1:09:07] mosque. Um so these are moving ahead.

[1:09:11] The applicant has been working through

[1:09:14] corrections. They are looking to do

[1:09:16] phased construction where um in order to

[1:09:19] keep things moving along um they are

[1:09:21] pursuing doing a foundationon permit

[1:09:23] first so they can get that ground work

[1:09:25] started while they finish up the

[1:09:27] structural review for the building so

[1:09:29] that it can um have fewer fits and

[1:09:32] scopes through the construction process.

[1:09:34] Um we don't have uh so the mosque is

[1:09:38] considered building A, the support

[1:09:39] building in blue is building B and then

[1:09:42] the commercial building in the lower

[1:09:44] left hand color. We've been referring to

[1:09:45] that as building C. We haven't seen

[1:09:47] application yet for building C, but

[1:09:49] we've been told that they should be

[1:09:50] coming within the new. Um any questions

[1:09:54] about the month?

[1:09:57] Next slide, please.

[1:09:59] Um the Jane Society uh went through its

[1:10:02] design review with a planning commission

[1:10:04] as the design review board. Um they did

[1:10:08] request um some partial requests for the

[1:10:12] um the articulation of the of the

[1:10:16] elevation. Um and this is very common

[1:10:19] with any of the

[1:10:22] religious assembly buildings that have

[1:10:24] been proposed in Dubal just because you

[1:10:27] have a larger building than like a mole

[1:10:29] residence. Um so this is a common

[1:10:31] departure request. Um and the applicant

[1:10:35] has been very responsive to uh

[1:10:38] corrections from staff. So now that we

[1:10:40] have the recommen recommendation and

[1:10:42] approval from planning commission, um

[1:10:45] staff is now working with the applicants

[1:10:46] to get a hearing scheduled with a

[1:10:49] hearing. Thanks Sam.

[1:10:51] Any questions?

[1:10:54] >> Okay.

[1:10:55] >> Um I had sort of a question. Uh it's not

[1:10:58] up there but I was curious if there was

[1:10:59] any updates

[1:11:01] I happy to follow with you after

[1:11:03] afterwards um on the new all village

[1:11:06] commercial pad properly if there was any

[1:11:09] sort of

[1:11:10] >> yes that's

[1:11:12] >> or did I go ahead

[1:11:13] >> no no no um I was I was focusing on

[1:11:18] these

[1:11:20] get through the slides and then I can

[1:11:22] yeah next slide please

[1:11:26] um an application that just came in um

[1:11:29] is

[1:11:30] titled the Valley View Mixuse

[1:11:32] Development. This is just north of the

[1:11:38] um Copperhouse Way. Thank you.

[1:11:41] >> Where are the safe? Oh, the subway. Um

[1:11:44] so close to our lovely water.

[1:11:48] Um so this site is challenged with a lot

[1:11:51] of topography. It's like a 40 foot of

[1:11:53] elevation change from Main Street up to

[1:11:56] the rear of the property. Um so

[1:11:58] initially there's been a fairly creative

[1:12:01] um design to to try to work these

[1:12:04] buildings terracing up um along the

[1:12:08] slope. There is a proposal for um

[1:12:13] commercial down at the lowest level

[1:12:16] along Main Street. So there is that sort

[1:12:18] of activation. So the initial concept

[1:12:22] We like mixed use. We want that um

[1:12:24] street friendship activation. We need

[1:12:26] more retail. Um so it's a good starting

[1:12:29] point.

[1:12:31] It'll it'll get a ball. Um so so yes. So

[1:12:36] this came in and we'll be going through

[1:12:37] the review process. The Duval

[1:12:40] Village/Main Street development um is

[1:12:45] under review. There have been um

[1:12:50] it

[1:12:52] it's a complicated construction when you

[1:12:55] have vertical mixed use and you have

[1:12:57] occupancies of either like business

[1:13:01] mercantile retail on the bottom with the

[1:13:03] residential above. There's a lot of

[1:13:05] building code about fire separations and

[1:13:07] things like that. And when you have um a

[1:13:11] design group that is more experienced

[1:13:14] with residential than with commercial,

[1:13:17] then there's like a bit of a learning

[1:13:18] curve to try to get the commercial of

[1:13:20] them seen as the residential component.

[1:13:22] So there's just been like a few snags

[1:13:24] trying to get

[1:13:26] compliance with the building code for

[1:13:28] that commercial of the project. So we're working through it. Um we're

[1:13:32] working with the applicant. Um and the

[1:13:36] goal is to get there. Yeah, that's

[1:13:38] really all I was looking for that it's

[1:13:40] in process.

[1:13:42] Thank you.

[1:13:44] >> Council member Olen,

[1:13:46] >> I just want to confirm. So, this is the

[1:13:49] east side of the street kind of near

[1:13:52] where Duvall Villages is. Is Is any of

[1:13:55] this scheduled to be below 80% AMI or

[1:13:59] below?

[1:14:01] >> Are you referring to the Valley view

[1:14:04] mixed?

[1:14:05] >> Yeah, the Valley view. Yes. So this is

[1:14:08] just north of Copper Hill on the east

[1:14:10] side of Maine. I forget the cross

[1:14:13] nearest Kennedy nearest cross street of

[1:14:15] Kennedy. So just out of Kennedy.

[1:14:17] >> Um

[1:14:19] this is just in site plan review. We

[1:14:22] haven't looked at um

[1:14:26] affordability at all. There's nothing in

[1:14:27] the narrative stating that there would

[1:14:30] be um

[1:14:34] >> and we don't have code. Yeah, we don't

[1:14:35] have code today to require it or to

[1:14:38] incentivize it. So, because they are

[1:14:40] vested to the regulations that are in

[1:14:42] place, um when they submitted on August,

[1:14:45] they would be subject to those

[1:14:47] regulations. Um

[1:14:51] yes, they have a complete application.

[1:14:53] Um when it comes to vesting, an

[1:14:55] applicant can stick with whatever is

[1:14:57] vested to them that day of a complete

[1:15:00] application. An applicant has the uh

[1:15:03] legal right to forego all vesting to

[1:15:06] whatever regulations are in place of

[1:15:09] whatever day they say I give up my

[1:15:11] vesting and I want the day's regulation.

[1:15:15] I have yet to see someone do that but

[1:15:17] it's always within their due process to

[1:15:19] assess it. Um, but so far

[1:15:24] >> I understand legally they can

[1:15:27] comply with with the current kind of

[1:15:30] former zoning. Um, I wonder if via a

[1:15:34] conversation we could incentivize them

[1:15:36] to incorporate some 80% or below AMI

[1:15:40] just given that's the ultimate goal of

[1:15:43] what we're trying to accomplish.

[1:15:45] >> We can always

[1:15:53] Thank you.

[1:15:55] >> All right, we'll turn it over to our

[1:15:57] public works director. Uh good evening,

[1:15:59] council, mayor, members of the public.

[1:16:01] Uh Lorisa Grundell public works. I'm

[1:16:04] just going to go over a couple of things

[1:16:05] we're working on currently. Uh so the

[1:16:09] 2.2 million gallon water tank, we have

[1:16:12] our booster pump station there. Um, pump

[1:16:14] two, we have three pumps that help us

[1:16:16] with fire flow or if we need a demand or

[1:16:18] something that arises um during the day.

[1:16:21] So, uh, pump two was, uh, serviced, it

[1:16:25] was removed from the system. All the

[1:16:26] bearings, everything was serviced.

[1:16:28] That's complete. It was reinstalled, and

[1:16:30] pump three is now being removed for

[1:16:32] service. Um, and these are some

[1:16:34] pictures. They took it out through the

[1:16:36] roof. They're huge pumps, but it's

[1:16:38] really neat. Next slide.

[1:16:42] Uh currently, uh PSSE has submitted

[1:16:45] their rideway permits for their um

[1:16:48] upcharge electric vehicle chargers. Um

[1:16:51] so those are kind of in review, just

[1:16:52] making sure we get the right details on

[1:16:54] the plans and um there's some changes

[1:16:57] that need to happen with reading on in

[1:16:59] the parking lot of the depot. Um but the

[1:17:02] two the two spots are right out here in

[1:17:04] front of the visitor center for two and

[1:17:07] that's the top picture and then um at

[1:17:10] depot park uh it's the

[1:17:14] norththeast corner kind of there's a uh

[1:17:17] the metro van parking stall will be

[1:17:20] relocated and and those two will go

[1:17:22] right there. Um next slide.

[1:17:27] Um, so a little update on our proposed

[1:17:30] acquisition for the Big Rock Ball Field.

[1:17:32] Um, so the grant results, uh, King

[1:17:35] County, uh, conservation futures was the

[1:17:37] grant that we went after. Um, the board

[1:17:39] recommends, uh, just over 700,000 for

[1:17:42] land purchase and, um, just over 18,000

[1:17:46] for site stabilization

[1:17:48] um, to acquire this piece. And that's

[1:17:50] the red highlighted piece. So,

[1:17:52] congratulations to the city. Uh we went

[1:17:55] from just under 10 acres to over 30

[1:17:57] acres of park. Um so and this red one is

[1:18:01] the one that we're focused on right now.

[1:18:03] And that'll get us to 40 uh 42.4 acres

[1:18:07] not including the proposed MOC lots.

[1:18:11] Uh next slide.

[1:18:13] So operations. Uh currently you've

[1:18:16] probably seen the doctor truck out in

[1:18:18] town needing catch beans. We're wrapping

[1:18:20] that work up. Um they were out on Valley

[1:18:23] Street today um uh just north of the or

[1:18:27] east of the Thai uh restaurant. Um some

[1:18:31] video inspections found some broken

[1:18:33] concrete pipes. Some it was smashed. So

[1:18:35] the crew had that open today. We got to

[1:18:37] the bathroom truck to expose it and

[1:18:39] we're going to fix those uh pipe

[1:18:41] sections. It's really shallow pipe too.

[1:18:43] Extremely shallow but it is concrete. Um

[1:18:46] so that's what they were working on

[1:18:47] today. Um next slide.

[1:18:52] current projects for parks, I believe.

[1:18:54] Well, all the crew is doing it, but the

[1:18:56] new art panels are up on Main Street.

[1:18:58] And these are a couple pictures of the

[1:19:00] crew doing what they do.

[1:19:02] Next slide.

[1:19:06] » And then we completed the installation

[1:19:08] of an 8 in water meter um at the Big

[1:19:11] Rock Ball Fields. We replaced the water

[1:19:13] meter that was there. Um it wasn't

[1:19:16] functioning right, extremely old. Um,

[1:19:19] our water lead did a great job. He

[1:19:21] installed this by himself.

[1:19:24] >> It was quite a quite a day for him. Um,

[1:19:26] [laughter]

[1:19:27] but we got it in.

[1:19:29] >> Next slide. I think

[1:19:33] » questions, comments.

[1:19:35] >> I have one.

[1:19:36] >> I know we're getting close on time, but

[1:19:38] uh, how like how shallow was the even

[1:19:41] though concrete pipe, how deep should it

[1:19:42] be and like how shallow was it? Um, we

[1:19:45] want to keep all pipe at least two feet

[1:19:48] deep. Okay. Yeah. Right. Um, it is

[1:19:53] probably

[1:19:55] less than six inches under the house.

[1:19:58] >> So, um, it's it's really shallow and it

[1:20:00] was pieced together um,

[1:20:03] prior to 1995.

[1:20:06] >> I don't know if it was the city that did

[1:20:08] it. I'm sure I could call Fisher and ask

[1:20:12] him. Um

[1:20:14] >> but yeah, it looked like there was some

[1:20:16] of the metal corrugated pipe that used

[1:20:19] to go uh just under the driveway access

[1:20:22] and then there was open ditches and then

[1:20:24] those ditches closed to have that

[1:20:26] parking paved over it. And in order to

[1:20:28] do that,

[1:20:30] whether it was the city at the time or

[1:20:32] the adjacent property owners, however

[1:20:34] that happened, um pieces of concrete

[1:20:37] pipe were just kind of put together and

[1:20:40] then paved over.

[1:20:42] So yeah,

[1:20:46] >> council member.

[1:20:50] » So I wanted to ask about the the design

[1:20:52] standards and if the proper answer

[1:20:58] yourself

[1:20:59] >> sorry about that I was trying to lower

[1:21:00] my hand. Uh okay. So if if the

[1:21:04] appropriate answer to this question is

[1:21:05] wait till September 1st and I'll see

[1:21:08] then then that's fine. Um, but director,

[1:21:11] let's see, administrator McNabby, you

[1:21:14] had said that that in the in the design

[1:21:16] standards, we're we're showing some of

[1:21:19] these mockups of of what the city is is

[1:21:22] delivering to developers or intends to

[1:21:25] deliver developers to kind of guide them

[1:21:27] in in what these buildings what we would

[1:21:30] like to see. And that is something that,

[1:21:32] for example, the hearing examiner will

[1:21:34] look at in considering if something is compliant with what we're trying to

[1:21:39] accomplish. So I guess what my question

[1:21:41] is is

[1:21:47] where where does objectivity and

[1:21:48] subjectivity fall into play with that?

[1:21:50] you know, at what point do they say,

[1:21:52] "Yeah, I mean, is it is it just about

[1:21:55] the sloped roof, you know, or or is it,

[1:21:58] you know, if if it's if it's 45 ft and

[1:22:01] it has a slope roof, is it compliant or

[1:22:04] so, you know, where does where does one

[1:22:06] where does objectivity end and

[1:22:08] subjectivity begin?" And I I guess I

[1:22:11] somewhat asked that in light of some of

[1:22:14] well, other pictures I've seen floating

[1:22:16] around and and things like that. I'm I'm

[1:22:18] just curious how how rigorous these

[1:22:21] design standards are to what will have

[1:22:24] to be.

[1:22:26] >> They're rigorous. So they are uh not

[1:22:31] just subjectively what the community

[1:22:34] what we expect but objectively what

[1:22:38] buildings can be built from a design

[1:22:40] perspective in Duval

[1:22:42] and um Lisser Emerald do you have other

[1:22:46] >> so part of the reason why we are

[1:22:47] bringing we're going to be bringing

[1:22:49] these um design standards forward is

[1:22:52] because of state legislation stating

[1:22:54] that these standards do need to be

[1:22:56] objective in nature and not subjective

[1:22:59] in nature. So, it's more about um

[1:23:02] there's it it's going to be like

[1:23:05] subscriptive design like you either meet

[1:23:07] the standard or you don't. And so, um

[1:23:10] it's not about do I like it? Is it

[1:23:13] pretty? If is it is it meeting um like

[1:23:19] is the slope of the roof correct? Is the

[1:23:21] articulation of the wall correct? Is

[1:23:24] there enough window treatment on an

[1:23:26] elevation? Is an orientation of a

[1:23:29] pedestrian pathway in the correct spot?

[1:23:33] Um, are things being stepped back? So,

[1:23:35] there's there are there different

[1:23:37] material that different parts of a

[1:23:39] building. So, it the idea is that each

[1:23:42] standard would have effectively a a yes

[1:23:44] or no. Are you doing it or are you not

[1:23:47] or is the project doing this or is it

[1:23:49] not? And if it's not, you're not in

[1:23:51] compliance. we're not going to be

[1:23:53] recommending approval. Um so hopefully

[1:23:55] uh and by having the pictures we're

[1:23:57] establishing the expectation that um

[1:24:01] this is what we are looking to see. So

[1:24:03] that way the a developer can't come in

[1:24:06] and say oh I didn't know you wanted it

[1:24:08] to be this pretty. We set it up like

[1:24:11] look so the pictures themselves are not

[1:24:14] um the legal requirement but they are to establish

[1:24:20] this is what we're looking for. This is

[1:24:21] the quality that we're looking for. So,

[1:24:23] please don't waste your time and our

[1:24:25] time with something that is left.

[1:24:27] >> Yeah. Or a design that is not

[1:24:30] incorporated in one of the images or the

[1:24:32] standards.

[1:24:33] >> And I know this is going to be touched

[1:24:35] on a little bit on the the presentation.

[1:24:37] You're going to have the meeting. So,

[1:24:39] I'm just looking at the clock and I want

[1:24:40] to make sure that we have a break

[1:24:41] between meetings. So, I'm going to

[1:24:43] actually defer council reports until the meeting. mayor can give their update

[1:24:47] and then if there's additional sounds

[1:24:49] like there might be an additional

[1:24:50] opportunity for questions around this

[1:24:52] particular issue a little bit on your

[1:24:53] old pound there there's a presentation

[1:24:55] as well if that's okay council member

[1:25:00] » so with that I will call the committee

[1:25:03] of the whole workshop to a close at 6:56

[1:25:06] p.m. and if we can come back maybe at

[1:25:08] two minutes after

[1:25:10] >> close to seven as we can but we might go

[1:25:12] a couple minutes over

[1:33:09] Order of the city council meeting at

[1:33:11] 7:04 p.m. please rise for the flag.

[1:33:17] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[1:33:19] United States of America and to the

[1:33:22] republic for which it stands one nation

[1:33:25] under God indivisible with liberty and

[1:33:28] justice for

[1:33:30] >> can you please take the role for

[1:33:35] Mercer

[1:33:36] >> here. Council member Olen here.

[1:33:40] >> Council member

[1:33:41] >> uh here. Council member Wiggins

[1:33:46] >> here.

[1:33:47] >> Council member Hernandez

[1:33:48] >> here.

[1:33:49] >> Okay, we have a quorum. Thank you. Are

[1:33:51] there any additions or corrections to

[1:33:53] the agenda? Mayor for Thummer.

[1:33:55] >> Uh yeah, I propose to add a second

[1:33:58] public comment period after section M

[1:34:01] close session uh on the agenda. Second.

[1:34:06] >> Okay. Um any other additions or

[1:34:09] corrections to the agenda?

[1:34:11] And I'm not hearing any objections to

[1:34:13] that proposal by Mayor Pam Mercer. So,

[1:34:16] do I have a motion to approve the uh

[1:34:19] amended council agenda?

[1:34:22] >> So, move seconded.

[1:34:24] >> All those in favor say I.

[1:34:26] >> I.

[1:34:27] >> All those opposed. All those opposed say

[1:34:29] no. All right. The agenda is adopted.

[1:34:32] Next up, we have proclamations and we

[1:34:34] have two this evening.

[1:34:38] First, we have National Emergency

[1:34:40] Management Awareness Month. Whereas

[1:34:43] emergency management professionals serve

[1:34:45] 247 365 as chief risk advisers and

[1:34:48] problem solvers, connecting regional

[1:34:50] resources, building resilience, and

[1:34:52] coordinating crisis response and

[1:34:54] recovery. And whereas the city of Duvall

[1:34:56] and the Snomi Valley face unique local

[1:34:58] hazards, including severe river

[1:35:00] flooding, winter storms, prolonged power

[1:35:03] outages, and wildland urban fires. And

[1:35:05] whereas effective disaster readiness

[1:35:07] relies on seamless collaboration between

[1:35:09] city leadership, public safety

[1:35:11] personnel, regional partners, and

[1:35:12] dedicated volunteers like Snow Valley

[1:35:14] SERT. And whereas emergency management

[1:35:16] extends far beyond disaster response to

[1:35:19] encompass continuous mitigation training

[1:35:22] and risk reduction that protects lives,

[1:35:23] homes, and critical infrastructure. And

[1:35:26] whereas the residents and leadership at

[1:35:27] Duvall expressed their heartfelt

[1:35:29] gratitude to our emergency managers and

[1:35:31] community volunteers for their steady

[1:35:32] leadership and behind the-scenes

[1:35:34] dedication. And whereas National

[1:35:36] Emergency Management Awareness Month

[1:35:37] observed annually in August under the

[1:35:39] leadership of the International

[1:35:40] Association of Emergency Managers AEM

[1:35:43] highlights the essential role these

[1:35:45] professionals play in public safety. And

[1:35:47] whereas the community resilience depends

[1:35:49] on proactive household preparedness and

[1:35:51] the city encourages all residents to

[1:35:53] build emergency kits, make response

[1:35:55] plans, and sign up for local alerts. And

[1:35:57] whereas the city of Duval continues to

[1:35:59] grow, integrating proactive emergency

[1:36:01] management into municipal planning in

[1:36:03] infrastructure and community

[1:36:04] partnerships ensures a safer, more

[1:36:06] resilient future for all generations.

[1:36:08] Now therefore, I, Amy McHenry, mayor of

[1:36:10] the city of Duval, hereby proclaim

[1:36:12] August 2026 as National Emergency

[1:36:15] Management Awareness Month in the city

[1:36:16] of Duval, Washington, and urge all

[1:36:18] residents to recognize the vital

[1:36:19] contributions of our emergency

[1:36:21] management team and take steps to

[1:36:22] prepare their families and

[1:36:23] neighborhoods.

[1:36:26] And then last, we have Women's Equality

[1:36:28] Day. Whereas on August 26, 1920, the

[1:36:31] 19th amendment to the United States

[1:36:33] Constitution was officially certified,

[1:36:34] securing for women the constitutional

[1:36:36] right to vote and marking a monumental

[1:36:38] milestone in the ongoing pursuit of

[1:36:40] civil rights and equality. And whereas

[1:36:42] the ratification of the 19th Amendment

[1:36:44] was achieved through decades of tireless

[1:36:45] advocacy, courage, and determination by

[1:36:48] suffragists across the nation and within

[1:36:49] Washington state, which proudly granted

[1:36:51] women the right to vote in 1910, a

[1:36:54] decade prior to the federal amendment.

[1:36:55] And whereas while the 19th amendment

[1:36:57] established vital legal protections, the

[1:37:00] historic struggle for true voter

[1:37:01] equality continued for many women,

[1:37:03] particularly women of color,

[1:37:04] highlighting the ongoing responsibility

[1:37:05] to protect and expand democratic access

[1:37:08] for all citizens. And whereas the city

[1:37:10] of Duval recognizes that the full

[1:37:12] participation, leadership, and diverse

[1:37:15] talents of women are essential to the

[1:37:16] strength, innovation, and vibrant

[1:37:18] character of our community. And whereas

[1:37:20] women in Dubal serve as prominent

[1:37:21] leaders across every sector, governing

[1:37:23] as elected officials, excelling as

[1:37:25] business owners, serving as first

[1:37:26] responders, educating our youth,

[1:37:28] directing nonprofits, and enriching our

[1:37:30] civic life. And whereas Women's Equality

[1:37:32] Day, designated by Congress in 1971,

[1:37:35] serves not only as a day to celebrate

[1:37:37] past achievements, but also as a call to

[1:37:39] action to address remaining disparities

[1:37:42] and foster equitable opportunities in

[1:37:44] leadership, compensation, and

[1:37:45] representation. And whereas the city of

[1:37:48] as the city of Duvall looks to the

[1:37:49] future, we remain dedicated to

[1:37:51] empowering women and young girls,

[1:37:52] ensuring they have equal access to

[1:37:54] resources, mentorship, and opportunities

[1:37:56] to shape the future of our city and

[1:37:58] region. Now therefore, I, Amy McHenry,

[1:38:00] mayor of the city of Duval, hereby

[1:38:02] proclaim August 26, 2026 as Women's

[1:38:04] Equality Day in the city of Duval,

[1:38:07] Washington, and urge all residents to

[1:38:08] reflect on the historical journey toward

[1:38:10] equality, celebrate the leadership and

[1:38:12] contributions of women in our community,

[1:38:14] and continue supporting full equity,

[1:38:16] equality for all.

[1:38:19] >> Okay, next up, we have comments from the

[1:38:21] audience. Um, this meeting was noticed

[1:38:24] with 30 total minutes allotted for

[1:38:26] public comments with the amendment to

[1:38:28] our agenda tonight. Mayor Pat Mercer

[1:38:30] added that we will reopen public

[1:38:32] comments at the end of the our agenda

[1:38:34] after the close session which I think is

[1:38:37] letter M on the agenda. So I will now

[1:38:40] read our

[1:38:43] uh bit for this. So during the

[1:38:45] designated public commentary period at

[1:38:47] city council meetings, individuals are

[1:38:48] allotted three minutes to speak while

[1:38:50] representatives of organizations may

[1:38:52] address the council for up to five

[1:38:54] minutes. Before presenting, kindly

[1:38:56] disclose your full name and city of

[1:38:57] residents. Each speaker and all remarks

[1:39:00] shall be addressed to the city council

[1:39:01] as a body and not to individual members

[1:39:04] of council or staff. The city strongly

[1:39:06] advises submitting verbal comments in

[1:39:08] writing to expedite subsequent

[1:39:09] correspondence. Written comments must be

[1:39:12] received by the city clerk's office by

[1:39:13] noon on the meeting day addressed to PO

[1:39:15] Box 1300 Uval Washington 98019 or

[1:39:18] deposited at the city hall dropbox

[1:39:20] located at 15535 Main Street Northeast

[1:39:23] or by email. Please be aware that the

[1:39:25] city council is formed and its

[1:39:27] commissions accept public comments only

[1:39:29] from inerson attendees at the meeting.

[1:39:31] The council does not accept handouts or

[1:39:33] printed material during the public

[1:39:35] commentary session. Information intended

[1:39:37] for the mayor or city council shall be

[1:39:39] directed to the city clerk who will

[1:39:40] disseminate it following the submitter's

[1:39:42] instructions. Upon receipt, the city

[1:39:44] clerk will receive written public

[1:39:46] comments and subsequently furnish them

[1:39:48] to the city council or the relevant

[1:39:49] board or commission. However, it's

[1:39:51] important to note that written comments

[1:39:52] will not be orally presented during the

[1:39:54] council or applicable board or

[1:39:56] commission meetings. Any written

[1:39:58] comments received after the noon

[1:39:59] deadline for written comments will be

[1:40:01] shared with the council at the next

[1:40:02] council meeting as a part of the city

[1:40:04] clerk's report. And let me look at our

[1:40:06] list we have here.

[1:40:08] >> So I think one thing we want to make

[1:40:09] sure

[1:40:10] >> we do have yes we do have a public

[1:40:12] hearing tonight. So I just want to make

[1:40:14] sure when I call on you what is open now

[1:40:16] is the comments from the audience which

[1:40:18] can be about any category. Um there's

[1:40:21] also a public hearing. So if you're here

[1:40:23] to speak on the public hearing later in

[1:40:24] the agenda you would want to wait until

[1:40:26] that is all on the sign code. Yeah. Um

[1:40:29] so that'll come up later in the agenda

[1:40:31] if that's what you wish to speak on. So

[1:40:33] let me look at our list here. where to

[1:40:35] go and find it yet. So, first one. Oh.

[1:40:38] >> Oh, I see. Yep. Okay. I was looking at

[1:40:41] the wrong phone. First up, we have David

[1:40:44] Forn from Duvall. I don't know if he's

[1:40:46] still here. I know you're

[1:40:48] >> the wrong box.

[1:40:48] >> Okay. Are you good or Okay, you had your

[1:40:52] moment. Okay.

[1:40:53] >> Um I can't quite I see Elijah on here. I

[1:40:56] can't tell if that is a yes. So, I

[1:40:58] wanted to check in if Okay. Go ahead and

[1:41:00] approach the podium. Thank you.

[1:41:21] Today I rise um on behalf of the Stwami

[1:41:25] Valley Transit Writers Coalition. I do

[1:41:26] not request any more time as presented.

[1:41:29] I My name is Elijah Vincent. I am the

[1:41:32] leader of the Stalami Valley Transit

[1:41:34] Riders Coalition and today I am

[1:41:37] discussing the Brown Avenue Northeast

[1:41:40] Richardson Street and that is a huge one

[1:41:42] here. As the as the city grows, we must

[1:41:46] ensure that we have adequate

[1:41:48] infrastructure such as bay signs and

[1:41:52] the road improvements as well as more

[1:41:55] clear signage such as northeast sub area

[1:41:58] which a lot of King County metro transit

[1:42:01] centers and certain stops along the way

[1:42:04] especially in Redmond and potentially

[1:42:06] even

[1:42:08] um I believe also has that and that's

[1:42:10] just to ensure that we know where it

[1:42:13] I've also have a online position. I

[1:42:16] won't mention any more on that though.

[1:42:19] Um that's it. Thank you. I yield my

[1:42:22] time.

[1:42:23] >> Thank you.

[1:42:24] >> Uh next up we have

[1:42:28] I'm just going off of our sign and she

[1:42:30] first here. I see a maybe with Peter

[1:42:34] Scott of Duvall. Did you want this?

[1:42:36] >> You'll pass. Okay. Um, and then next up,

[1:42:38] Mike Beard from Duval Fire District 45.

[1:42:43] >> Okay.

[1:42:43] >> So, would you like I'm assuming you'd

[1:42:45] like the five minutes.

[1:42:46] >> Uh, sure.

[1:42:47] >> Okay. You don't have to use it all if

[1:42:48] you don't.

[1:42:51] » Um, everyone Michael Beard from Under

[1:42:56] Big Rock. So, I'm not a Duvall resident

[1:42:58] proper in the city. However, I was

[1:43:01] elected uh the second term Duvall Fire

[1:43:04] Commission 45. uh was elected chair of

[1:43:07] that and I'm here to talk about uh the

[1:43:10] proposed um building standards and

[1:43:13] design code changes uh for the city. To

[1:43:16] go back a couple years, uh I drove from

[1:43:18] my family's been here since the 70s. My

[1:43:20] wife's family's been here since the

[1:43:21] 1900s.

[1:43:23] Um

[1:43:25] left in '94 to pursue my career and come

[1:43:29] back in 2014 for a period there. lived

[1:43:31] in Isiqu where I was on the urban

[1:43:34] village development commission where we

[1:43:35] saw a very similar proposal

[1:43:39] sponsored by Rally Properties helping me

[1:43:42] tall brothers both many of the same

[1:43:43] developers that worked for

[1:43:45] um that proposal uh kind of created the

[1:43:50] urban village development guideline that

[1:43:52] many cities are using now might be

[1:43:54] called something different but it's the

[1:43:56] live up above work down below reduce

[1:43:58] parking increase density walkable

[1:44:00] streets

[1:44:01] Um what was presented to the city of

[1:44:04] Isiqua during the commission was

[1:44:05] beautiful but any of you who've been in

[1:44:07] Isiqua or Redmond or these other areas

[1:44:10] assume that's not built that way. Um one

[1:44:12] of the limits on that is the code uh

[1:44:15] energy design need those are very

[1:44:18] restrictive.

[1:44:20] So um I heard some talk about design

[1:44:23] code earlier. um

[1:44:26] in Washington state the way things are

[1:44:27] built out it's it's very conforming it's

[1:44:30] kind of I think it's ugly it's very

[1:44:32] dense so uh if these things are adopted

[1:44:36] here what has been built throughout the

[1:44:38] state is probably what's going to be

[1:44:40] here it's driven by economy it's driven

[1:44:42] by energy code it's driven by uh things

[1:44:45] that are kind of outside the control of

[1:44:46] this if we are to adopt this

[1:44:49] um

[1:44:51] so that being said I want to talk about

[1:44:53] a Couple other things here real quickly.

[1:44:55] Um, as a private citizen here, uh, I

[1:44:59] read uh, some comments from one of the

[1:45:01] city councilors about um, permanent

[1:45:03] supportive housing. And I'm hoping I'm

[1:45:05] misunderstanding this, but there was a

[1:45:07] discussion that this could be built to

[1:45:09] do well. Um, my full-time job, I'm a

[1:45:12] lieutenant fire department. I'm not

[1:45:14] speaking on behalf of them, but I'm

[1:45:15] speaking my experience there. I respond

[1:45:18] daily to permanent support housing, the

[1:45:20] city of Belleview, the city of Redmond,

[1:45:22] and the city of Kerbin. Uh the amount of

[1:45:26] strain that that puts on first

[1:45:27] responders and EMS, hospital care,

[1:45:29] transport, private ambulance isn't is

[1:45:31] immense. I don't think people quite

[1:45:34] understand. It looks good on paper, but

[1:45:36] the execution of it is pretty nasty.

[1:45:38] It's really changed some of the

[1:45:39] neighborhoods and value in those those

[1:45:41] regions, and not in a positive way. This

[1:45:43] leads to my official stance here as a

[1:45:46] chairman of Dwell 45.

[1:45:49] Um,

[1:45:51] when you call the fire department,

[1:45:52] firefighters are going to do everything

[1:45:54] they can correctly to take care of. We

[1:45:56] have limited resources in help. What I'm

[1:45:59] here to tell you is like there's no

[1:46:00] plans to increase the resources. We have

[1:46:03] three firefighters that cross staff,

[1:46:05] several units just up the hill here, and

[1:46:07] we have three more up at station 16 in

[1:46:09] Chicago. That's six people in Debell

[1:46:12] Fire Department who are being operated

[1:46:14] by East Side Fire right now. That's the

[1:46:16] plan for at least the next decade.

[1:46:19] If we have this level of growth,

[1:46:21] specifically affordable or low-inccome

[1:46:23] supportive housing, it is going to max

[1:46:26] out our first responders. The amount of

[1:46:28] calls that these generate are much

[1:46:29] higher than single family residents.

[1:46:31] They're much higher than simple

[1:46:32] apartment buildings. The utilization

[1:46:34] rate for EMS in these buildings is

[1:46:36] staggering. And I don't think anybody

[1:46:37] has anybody who hasn't worked in the

[1:46:40] field would be kind of shocked with

[1:46:41] that. What that means is when you call

[1:46:43] 911, there may not be somebody for 10 to

[1:46:45] 15 minutes.

[1:46:47] We're talking about I've been to the

[1:46:49] same department 100 times in a row to

[1:46:52] the same person. I work one of three

[1:46:55] shifts. The people that relate me are

[1:46:56] these same departments. We're talking

[1:46:57] almost daily calls from some of these

[1:46:59] permanent support.

[1:47:01] So I would recommend that we don't

[1:47:04] pursue that if we can resist it. I know

[1:47:06] I use that word not lightly. I've seen

[1:47:08] several members of this council resist

[1:47:11] other things that happened in the

[1:47:12] country in the last couple years. Um you

[1:47:14] don't have to go along with this. I know

[1:47:16] it's troubling. I know it's difficult. I

[1:47:18] know it might cost a lot of money, but I

[1:47:20] think you were all elected to make the

[1:47:21] diff difficult decisions, not the easy.

[1:47:24] So, I just want those uh ideas to be out

[1:47:27] there. And from another government

[1:47:30] agency here, I want you to know that we

[1:47:32] can support growth that was as it was

[1:47:34] imagined a few years ago. We're actually

[1:47:36] excited about it, but certain types of

[1:47:39] growth here would be pretty devastating

[1:47:40] to emergency services.

[1:47:42] >> Thank you.

[1:47:58] Um, next up, where was I? Next up, we

[1:48:02] have Kate [clears throat] Brown.

[1:48:06] Did I say that right?

[1:48:08] >> Very close. Is that Brown?

[1:48:11] >> Hi. You know, it's been very hard to

[1:48:13] hear some of the other speakers. I'll

[1:48:15] put on my teacher voice. My name is Kate

[1:48:17] C. I taught in the district for about 33

[1:48:21] years and I'm representing people who

[1:48:24] don't live in the town of Duval, but we

[1:48:27] consider Duvall our town and we love it.

[1:48:31] >> And I come I talked in Carnation. I

[1:48:35] taught at Duvall. I was on the civic

[1:48:38] club, friends of the library for many, years. And this is my community. I

[1:48:43] know so many people in this community

[1:48:45] and I love it. And I came here in 1971

[1:48:51] and I knew country. One country was a

[1:48:53] baby and she grew up with my daughter

[1:48:56] who went to school at Cherry Valley. I

[1:48:58] think a lot of us are so concerned

[1:49:02] that Duvall is such a wonderful place

[1:49:05] and it has been so encompassing of

[1:49:07] welcoming people, all kinds of people

[1:49:11] and we would like to continue to do

[1:49:13] that. But we also need to face reality.

[1:49:16] We do not have the infrastructure and I

[1:49:19] read on the Duval page all the time

[1:49:22] complaining about the floods and you

[1:49:24] can't get here and you can't get there

[1:49:26] and traffic is all baldled up at 3:30 in

[1:49:30] the afternoon. So with growth, we also

[1:49:33] have to get some help from the state.

[1:49:36] And we don't want this to become a

[1:49:40] soulless place like we see in Redmond,

[1:49:44] like we see in Woodenville. I drove to

[1:49:47] Totem Lake and had no idea where I was.

[1:49:50] Uh, I got there and I thought, well, the

[1:49:53] car toys place used to be here and I

[1:49:58] don't want our be the used to be here.

[1:50:02] The old library used to be here. I was

[1:50:05] involved in passing books one by one

[1:50:08] from this wonderful old library to the

[1:50:11] new one. And Rose Morberg was like my

[1:50:16] substitute mother, like my substitute

[1:50:19] grandmother for my daughter. So I've

[1:50:21] been invested in this place and I would

[1:50:23] really hate to see it become

[1:50:26] six stories of nothing

[1:50:29] metal. And what I read uh from some nice

[1:50:33] person from the board here that put it

[1:50:35] on Facebook was

[1:50:37] if a developer wants to buy the property

[1:50:40] and they meet what you were talking

[1:50:41] about earlier, the slope of the roof or

[1:50:44] the back uh off from the sidewalk, they

[1:50:47] can pretty much put up whatever they

[1:50:49] want. And I think our town and the

[1:50:52] people who live surrounding the towns,

[1:50:54] the farmers in the valley, we should

[1:50:57] also have a say as to what affects our

[1:51:00] lives, our children's lives, and our

[1:51:03] grandchildren's lives. My daughter

[1:51:05] doesn't live here. She can't afford it.

[1:51:09] So, please keep that in mind. There are

[1:51:12] people who love this community and this

[1:51:14] community has loved us back. Thank you

[1:51:17] very much.

[1:51:24] And I I I just wanted to say to the

[1:51:26] audience, we don't usually allow

[1:51:27] reactions. And I know that I feel it

[1:51:29] like I'm a party for saying it. I can

[1:51:32] move a little quicker through the list

[1:51:34] if we like with applause or anything

[1:51:37] like that. So, we'll be able to squeeze

[1:51:39] more people in in the time. Okay. Um

[1:51:41] Lauren, that

[1:51:54] Lauren Betting from Duvall.

[1:51:56] Good evening, Mayor and City Council and

[1:51:58] staff. Thank you for this opportunity to

[1:52:00] comment on Duvall's comprehensive plan.

[1:52:03] I appreciate the difficult position you

[1:52:05] are in, and my following statement is

[1:52:07] meant to help in a way that has legal

[1:52:09] standing. I'm not here with a pitchfork.

[1:52:12] I believe the current draft does not

[1:52:14] comply with the growth management act

[1:52:16] for the following reasons. First,

[1:52:18] citizen participation. The code required

[1:52:21] procedures for early and continuous

[1:52:22] public participation. The 2024 public

[1:52:25] survey showed that regulating

[1:52:27] development to maintain community

[1:52:29] character and a small town feel were

[1:52:31] residents first priorities. How has that

[1:52:34] feedback been used in the most recent

[1:52:36] proposed zoning changes? Do you intend

[1:52:38] to alter the current plan based on

[1:52:40] community feedback?

[1:52:42] Second, alternatives. The GMA requires

[1:52:44] the broad dissemination of proposals and

[1:52:46] alternatives.

[1:52:48] Where are the alternatives?

[1:52:51] Relying on a single recommended strategy

[1:52:53] while planning compliance with the new

[1:52:55] state law risks us not choosing the best

[1:52:57] available option. Please clarify what

[1:53:00] alternatives were or will be considered.

[1:53:04] Third, infrastructure and coordination.

[1:53:07] The GMA mandates coordination to

[1:53:09] reconcile conflicts and ensure efficient

[1:53:12] transportation. We are adding traffic to

[1:53:14] our roads without state or county

[1:53:17] commitments to increase funding for

[1:53:18] maintenance or mitigation. Duvall has

[1:53:21] nothing that meets the criteria for a

[1:53:23] major transit hub to offset this.

[1:53:25] Increasing development before securing

[1:53:27] infrastructure violates countywide

[1:53:29] planning policy H25, which protects

[1:53:32] resident well-being through high quality

[1:53:34] transit.

[1:53:36] Fourth, the housing strategy. If our

[1:53:39] overall growth target is already

[1:53:41] naturally met by the building that's

[1:53:44] happened since 2019, pipeline units, and

[1:53:48] the current zoning, why are we

[1:53:50] increasing baseline zoning for all

[1:53:52] market rate development?

[1:53:55] I propose an alternative that is more

[1:53:57] aligned with our community's wishes,

[1:54:00] an affordable housing zone overlay.

[1:54:02] Instead of a blanket up zone, make

[1:54:04] increased density only available for

[1:54:06] verified affordable housing.

[1:54:09] This would directly protect our

[1:54:10] community's character, prevent

[1:54:12] overdevelopment, and incentivize

[1:54:14] builders to target the specific

[1:54:16] affordability brackets Duvall actually

[1:54:18] lacks.

[1:54:20] Please identify where our plan is

[1:54:22] current, why our plan is currently

[1:54:24] zoning for more development than is

[1:54:26] required.

[1:54:28] I request that staff run the land

[1:54:29] capacity model on an affordable housing

[1:54:31] overlay alternative and tell the public

[1:54:33] exactly which GMA requirements it would

[1:54:35] and would not satisfy. If that is not

[1:54:38] feasible, then I request that the

[1:54:39] current plan heights are reduced to the

[1:54:41] bare minimum and any increase in zoning

[1:54:43] is only available for our 675 assigned

[1:54:46] affordable housing unit. We are the

[1:54:49] current stewards of Dualltown,

[1:54:52] real life. Our town's character and

[1:54:54] identity are at stake.

[1:55:06] Hi everyone. I'm country Rooney.

[1:55:09] I'm the president of the Dubel

[1:55:11] Historical Society.

[1:55:13] Um I am representing the historical

[1:55:15] society. So I'll use all five of my

[1:55:17] minutes, please.

[1:55:19] I'm also part of the Novelty Hill

[1:55:20] Cemetery,

[1:55:22] No Palmy Valley Museum,

[1:55:26] and a life member of the VFW Auxiliary.

[1:55:30] I am here on behalf of Duval Historical

[1:55:32] Society. I do have handouts that I

[1:55:35] handed out before coming in. I'm not

[1:55:37] going to talk about them. I'm just

[1:55:38] letting you know that there are QR codes

[1:55:40] to the information that I am talking

[1:55:42] about. So, good evening, Mayor Mckenry.

[1:55:47] I love you and I love our town and I

[1:55:50] love the staff that are here to present.

[1:55:54] I want to begin by saying something

[1:55:56] personal because

[1:55:58] I believe it explains why I'm here and

[1:56:01] I'm standing here tonight

[1:56:03] [clears throat]

[1:56:03] >> and why I'm speaking as strongly as I

[1:56:05] am.

[1:56:07] 1976 I was three years old.

[1:56:11] An inaudible member of this community

[1:56:13] took advantage of me.

[1:56:16] My parents and grandparents, I'm fourth

[1:56:18] generation, by the way.

[1:56:21] My parents and my grandparents made the

[1:56:23] decision not to take any action. They

[1:56:26] didn't want to create any commotion.

[1:56:28] They didn't want any drama in this town

[1:56:30] of 600 members.

[1:56:33] And sometimes in a small town, keeping

[1:56:36] the peace may seem more important than

[1:56:39] speaking up.

[1:56:41] That experience stayed with me.

[1:56:44] But I'm not here tonight to reopen that

[1:56:47] chapter of my life. I am here because 50

[1:56:51] years later, I am correcting that part

[1:56:54] that was left unfinished.

[1:56:56] I am using my voice to help save

[1:56:59] something that deserves to be protected.

[1:57:02] I know that the city has struggled.

[1:57:05] Duval citywide visioning plan page

[1:57:07] number 10 described Oldtown as the

[1:57:10] historic heart and the soul of Duval and

[1:57:14] recognized that traffic congestion and

[1:57:16] development can threaten its long-term

[1:57:18] preservation.

[1:57:20] The GMA identifies historic preservation

[1:57:24] as part of its comprehensive plan.

[1:57:25] That's RCW

[1:57:27] 36.78.210

[1:57:30] number 14.

[1:57:32] So, I'm asking the council to make

[1:57:35] historical preservation

[1:57:37] a part of the comprehensive plan, an

[1:57:40] intentional part of our alignment, not

[1:57:44] as an afterthought.

[1:57:46] Let's plan for the future without

[1:57:48] erasing the past. Some people may call

[1:57:51] my voice misleading or creating

[1:57:54] unnecessary concern. Just check

[1:57:56] Facebook.

[1:57:58] >> But I'm going to respectfully disagree.

[1:58:02] I'm looking at the numbers. I'm looking

[1:58:05] at what the proposed recommendations

[1:58:07] could mean when they are translated from

[1:58:09] a document onto actual buildings, actual

[1:58:13] streets, actual traffic,

[1:58:16] actual infrastructure, and actual

[1:58:18] neighborhoods.

[1:58:20] A number on a page may look harmless,

[1:58:23] but 17 dwellings per unit

[1:58:26] is a number. For Oldtown historic

[1:58:30] Duvall,

[1:58:31] 17 units become buildings.

[1:58:35] become people. People become

[1:58:39] water, sewer. Everybody needs the roads,

[1:58:43] emergency services. Thank you, Mike.

[1:58:47] schools, walkways and transportation.

[1:58:50] And the question I am asking is not

[1:58:53] should Duvall grow and of course we're

[1:58:55] going to grow.

[1:58:57] I believe we have an obligation to look

[1:58:59] beyond meeting a numerical target. We

[1:59:02] need to understand the consequences of

[1:59:04] the number we adopt to our historic

[1:59:06] district as well as our up and middle

[1:59:09] towns.

[1:59:11] We know our infrastructure cannot

[1:59:13] support the density compliment

[1:59:15] contemplated. We need to understand what

[1:59:17] these zoning changes could mean to our

[1:59:19] town, our roads, and our quality of

[1:59:21] life. And we need to make sure that the

[1:59:23] community understands what is actually

[1:59:26] being proposed before any decisions are

[1:59:29] being made. And I'm not asking you, the

[1:59:32] council, to reject growth,

[1:59:35] but we didn't even look for

[1:59:36] alternatives.

[1:59:38] I'm asking you to do the work of

[1:59:39] understanding the scale of the growth

[1:59:41] and push back.

[1:59:43] And I'm asking you not to dismiss a

[1:59:47] concerned citizen's voice simply because

[1:59:50] it challenges a consultant's number.

[1:59:55] 50 years ago, I didn't have a voice.

[1:59:59] Tonight, I do.

[2:00:03] I intend to use it respectfully,

[2:00:06] factually, and persistently,

[2:00:10] not to create drama or mislead.

[2:00:14] not to stop Duvall from moving forward

[2:00:17] because I have

[2:00:25] » tr Watson. How are we on

[2:00:27] >> pass? Okay, the minutes have passed on.

[2:00:32] Okay,

[2:00:34] >> I see Terry Manville with a question

[2:00:37] mark. So, I just want to check in with

[2:00:38] you if you'd like to speak. Okay. So,

[2:00:41] and are you speaking on behalf of

[2:00:42] yourself? You have a step. Okay.

[2:00:48] » I'm Terry Mandville. I live in

[2:00:50] unincorporated Duval. Um, but my friends

[2:00:55] are here in in incorporated Duval. And I

[2:00:58] just need to say I grew up in the

[2:01:02] northeast corner of Seattle when it was

[2:01:05] all woods and it was a wonderful place

[2:01:08] to grow up. Now it's all culde-sacs and

[2:01:11] okay, it's inside Seattle city limit. So

[2:01:14] maybe that's what's supposed to happen.

[2:01:15] The growth is supposed to happen there.

[2:01:17] Then I lived outside of Woodenville

[2:01:20] and on 8 acres of trees and had chickens

[2:01:24] and it was beautiful and they started

[2:01:27] having town meetings about increasing

[2:01:30] growth and we were promised that the

[2:01:32] character of our neighborhood would

[2:01:34] remain

[2:01:36] but it didn't. I moved out of there,

[2:01:40] moved outside of Kirkland on um Ben Hill

[2:01:43] where there were orchards and farms and

[2:01:46] trees and and

[2:01:49] um space and place for my kids to grow

[2:01:52] up. And

[2:01:54] they started having town meetings about

[2:01:57] growth. And we were promised that the

[2:02:00] character of our community would remain

[2:02:03] the same, that it could mesh with growth

[2:02:07] and it would be fine. They tore down my

[2:02:09] house and built three monstrosity

[2:02:13] houses with no yards. Um that was

[2:02:17] supposed to be for affordable housing,

[2:02:19] but they're a million dollars a piece,

[2:02:21] so I don't know who can afford those. Um

[2:02:24] I moved out here. I keep moving farther

[2:02:28] and farther away to beautiful places and

[2:02:31] I just don't want the same thing to

[2:02:32] happen here and that's it.

[2:02:35] >> Thank you.

[2:02:40] » Uh Michaela G.

[2:02:43] >> Okay.

[2:02:45] >> Got it. Okay. Uh Meg Town,

[2:02:49] did you want to speak?

[2:02:50] >> Yes.

[2:02:50] >> Okay. And are you speaking on behalf of

[2:02:52] yourself?

[2:02:54] >> [clears throat]

[2:02:58] » M town and I live in unincorporated um

[2:03:02] Duvall Terry Valley Way and we uh

[2:03:07] several years ago were impacted by the

[2:03:10] North Hill development and came to a

[2:03:13] resolution on that after quite some time

[2:03:15] and um that was not fun. Um

[2:03:20] infrastructure is huge um when it

[2:03:24] development gets ahead of the

[2:03:25] infrastructure. Um it impacts not just

[2:03:28] Duvall itself but the unincorporated

[2:03:31] areas too. I appreciate um the advocacy

[2:03:35] for our current downtown the soul of I

[2:03:39] agree it's the soul of Duvall. when we

[2:03:41] have floods, we gather in our downtown.

[2:03:45] We have Duvall TV present and it helps

[2:03:48] us get through some of those harder

[2:03:50] times. And without that, um, it just we

[2:03:54] would be missing this whole um, our

[2:03:56] businesses that are here, the small

[2:03:58] businesses that have worked hard to

[2:04:00] preserve the historical quality of this

[2:04:03] town. um is something that I treasure

[2:04:06] and value and hope to continue to have

[2:04:10] um when I come into town. So, I would

[2:04:12] like the zoning to be reconsidered that

[2:04:14] it not include the height and density of

[2:04:20] our historic town.

[2:04:23] >> Thank you.

[2:04:24] >> Uh Mike Town,

[2:04:26] >> do you want to speak and on behalf of

[2:04:28] yourself, I'm assuming? Okay.

[2:04:31] >> Hi, my name is Mike Town. I uh also live

[2:04:33] in Charity Valley and just representing

[2:04:36] myself on this. Um what Meg was talking

[2:04:40] about uh is something that I I think is

[2:04:43] a good story in regards to things that

[2:04:46] you might be able to um try to work

[2:04:50] around and coming up with the Sony.

[2:04:54] Today in the Seattle Times, there was an

[2:04:55] article. I don't know if any of you guys

[2:04:57] saw it, but it basically talked about

[2:05:00] how the movement of the population of

[2:05:03] King County is coming down to cities

[2:05:05] like the ball. And partially it's

[2:05:08] because you can tell I can get from here

[2:05:10] and also it's, you know, a little bit

[2:05:12] more affordable and of course it's what

[2:05:14] we all love. It's close to nature.

[2:05:17] And

[2:05:19] don't misunderstand

[2:05:21] a component of that is that all the big

[2:05:25] housing developers in this area have

[2:05:28] been also moving out to these areas. And

[2:05:32] I want to talk about our experience with

[2:05:34] one of them just so that you can

[2:05:36] understand kind of the concerns we have

[2:05:38] about this. As mentioned,

[2:05:41] um, a couple years ago, we live in

[2:05:43] Cherry Valley, just down on the high

[2:05:45] school. Uh, the largest builder of homes

[2:05:48] in the United States decided they were

[2:05:50] going to build a 100 homes on that hill.

[2:05:52] And they were going to take all the

[2:05:53] storm water from the streets, the roofs,

[2:05:56] and the gardens and pipe it down into

[2:06:00] King County directly into the valley. We

[2:06:03] woke up one day and we found out that

[2:06:06] they were going to dump all their storm

[2:06:08] water 25 ft from our well which serves

[2:06:12] seven different families.

[2:06:14] [clears throat] The city of Duval okay

[2:06:16] it

[2:06:19] bought it and we bought it because

[2:06:21] there's a whole bunch of ordinance both

[2:06:24] on the state and county um docket that

[2:06:27] showed that they couldn't do this. Now

[2:06:30] that corporation knew that

[2:06:33] But they also knew that they were in a

[2:06:35] small town who sometimes doesn't have

[2:06:39] the manpower for dual diligence in

[2:06:42] regards to things that you can do, but

[2:06:47] we want a settlement from them. And

[2:06:51] what it taught us was that this is going

[2:06:55] to happen again.

[2:06:58] And when you build the type of units

[2:07:01] that you're talking about out there,

[2:07:04] these are the developers that you're

[2:07:06] going to get. And if you were to find

[2:07:09] the name of the top three and Google

[2:07:12] them and use the word lawsuit, you're

[2:07:16] going to run into pages and pages and

[2:07:18] pages of it. And so I think that when

[2:07:22] you write the ordinance, you have to

[2:07:25] make sure that the city's enforcement of

[2:07:30] the policy is going to occur, which

[2:07:34] means you need a revenue source in

[2:07:36] order.

[2:07:38] >> Thank you, Brett. Hi. Um,

[2:07:42] >> okay. You said we have time for one

[2:07:43] more. So, we just have time for one more

[2:07:45] commenter. I just want to check in with

[2:07:46] Nina Oshopski.

[2:07:49] Fine.

[2:07:49] >> It's fine. Okay. And then Elizabeth

[2:07:52] Hill, would you like to speak?

[2:07:54] >> Yes.

[2:07:54] >> Okay. And then, are you speaking on

[2:07:56] behalf of yourself or an organization?

[2:07:58] >> Myself.

[2:07:59] >> Yourself. Okay. Thank you.

[2:08:03] >> He was crying with tears running down

[2:08:05] his face. He was an older man than I am

[2:08:08] now.

[2:08:10] is what he said to me is, you know,

[2:08:12] Elizabeth, it doesn't bother me at all

[2:08:15] that people that recently moved here

[2:08:18] want to be involved in the process and

[2:08:20] plan for the future. I just wish that

[2:08:24] they would first hear what we planned,

[2:08:28] what we've been working for, what we've

[2:08:31] spent our life on. And that man was Ray

[2:08:35] Burren. And for those of you who may not

[2:08:38] know, Ray Muran was instrumental in

[2:08:41] getting the Doherty house. He was

[2:08:44] instrumental in getting McCormic Park in

[2:08:47] ways people don't know about. He donated

[2:08:51] the depot building to the city. He

[2:08:54] bought the restrooms for the city. He

[2:08:57] did many, many other things. He was a

[2:09:00] private person in some ways. He did tons

[2:09:03] of things for the senior center. And I

[2:09:06] have to say I feel like that old man now

[2:09:09] because I feel like instead of starting

[2:09:12] with hey the state wants this what do we

[2:09:16] want to do about it

[2:09:19] how can we work together and come as a

[2:09:21] community from where we've been in our

[2:09:24] long-term vision of having OldTown which

[2:09:27] has been our priority for decades and decades.

[2:09:32] we're kind of going to the consultants

[2:09:35] first and I've been a consultant so I

[2:09:37] understand they bring a lot of value to

[2:09:39] the table and now we're like here's the

[2:09:43] here's what we're going to do probably

[2:09:45] what do you all think about it and I

[2:09:47] think that's where people are feeling

[2:09:50] like well wait a minute what's happening

[2:09:53] and I could be wrong but I do think

[2:09:56] that's why there's so many people here

[2:09:58] tonight because it moves so fast and I

[2:10:02] understand the state wants things. I get

[2:10:05] that. I also understand that Carnation

[2:10:08] pushed back on what the state wanted. I

[2:10:10] don't know if we tried, if we were

[2:10:12] successful. I don't know.

[2:10:14] >> Um,

[2:10:16] I appreciate everyone here that's

[2:10:18] volunteering their time to be on council

[2:10:21] and the mayor and and city staff. I know

[2:10:24] it's a harder job. I really do. Um, I do

[2:10:28] a lot even though I live in

[2:10:29] unincorporated King County.

[2:10:32] I do a lot within the city limits for

[2:10:34] Duval Foundation for the Arts, although

[2:10:36] we haven't had a chance to meet yet. And frankly, I need to learn more and

[2:10:41] I'm hoping to hear the presentation

[2:10:43] tonight to know what changes are being

[2:10:45] proposed for Oldtown and the surrounding

[2:10:48] areas because we're certainly hearing a

[2:10:51] lot of conflicting information.

[2:10:53] And a lot of the people that we're

[2:10:55] hearing from are people that I've known

[2:10:56] and have trusted for decades and decades. That doesn't mean I don't

[2:11:01] trust the new people, but something isn't working.

[2:11:06] >> Thank you.

[2:11:11] » So, with that, we've reached our aotted

[2:11:14] time. We're going to move on with our

[2:11:15] business agenda, but it will reopen

[2:11:18] after the last item, which is a closed

[2:11:20] session. Public comment will reopen per

[2:11:22] council instruction, and then I will

[2:11:24] pick back up on that list.

[2:11:26] >> What time will that be? I have no time

[2:11:29] prediction of that.

[2:11:30] >> Oh yes.

[2:11:30] >> So next up we have our consent agenda.

[2:11:33] Um does anyone on council want to make

[2:11:35] uh a motion to

[2:11:36] >> approve?

[2:11:41] Second. It's

[2:11:41] >> been moved and seconded. We approve the

[2:11:43] consent agenda. All those in favor say

[2:11:45] I.

[2:11:47] >> I.

[2:11:48] >> All those opposed say nay.

[2:11:51] >> Motion passes. Consent agenda is

[2:11:53] approved. uh during the committee the

[2:11:55] whole meeting before this meeting we had

[2:11:56] some extra time so we did cover most of

[2:12:00] my report the mayor's report and the

[2:12:02] city administrator's update however

[2:12:04] there was one item I did save off of my

[2:12:06] report that I will do now and that was

[2:12:08] our meeting with the executive

[2:12:11] okay so city administrator McNav and I

[2:12:14] met with the King County with King

[2:12:16] County Executive Zahalai and his staff

[2:12:19] um basically the content of the meeting

[2:12:22] was by recap the content of the letter I

[2:12:24] sent back on January 30th of this year,

[2:12:27] which was an invitation to Duval and a

[2:12:30] request to discuss the city of Duval

[2:12:32] housing and growth targets. And that was

[2:12:34] the letter that council approved for me

[2:12:35] to send.

[2:12:37] So, in general, I highlighted the um

[2:12:40] lacking King County and state road

[2:12:42] infrastructure, transit services, the

[2:12:45] lack of wraparound services in Duval

[2:12:47] that support additional population and

[2:12:49] lack of adequate transit to get to those

[2:12:51] services reliably, and the many

[2:12:54] emergency and disaster situations we're

[2:12:56] vulnerable to out here. Um due to the

[2:12:59] potential of disasters like flooding,

[2:13:00] wildfires and more, I ask for

[2:13:03] non-ontiguous cities like Duvall to be

[2:13:05] thought of differently and potentially

[2:13:07] look at what is our maximum population

[2:13:09] out here rather than constantly

[2:13:11] gradually adding more and more and more

[2:13:13] and just thinking at some point we need

[2:13:15] to look at a maximum. I also ask that

[2:13:18] the next time King County votes through

[2:13:20] the next round of growth allocation that

[2:13:21] electeds be brought in more than

[2:13:23] previously to weigh in on those

[2:13:25] discussions as they directly represent

[2:13:27] the residents of the city. I believe the

[2:13:30] last round was mostly staff on staff and

[2:13:32] there was not a lot of elected

[2:13:33] engagement and I think that's a really

[2:13:35] important uh distinction. So I did call

[2:13:37] that out for the executive. Um, so as we

[2:13:41] discussed at the council, um, before I

[2:13:43] became mayor and then at with the new

[2:13:45] letter in that role, um, I did not

[2:13:48] formally ask for a reconciliation. That

[2:13:50] was not council consensus. However, I

[2:13:53] did in general ask them, is King County

[2:13:56] considering reconciliations right now?

[2:13:59] And their answer was that the county

[2:14:01] will be restarting the growth allocation

[2:14:03] process in 2029. So take from that what

[2:14:06] you will. I think it's important that um

[2:14:08] while the new growth allocation process

[2:14:10] does begin in 2029, we have an

[2:14:12] opportunity to inform in a data-driven

[2:14:15] way the numbers as early as 2028 and a

[2:14:18] thoughtful plan can show that the county

[2:14:20] methodology and allocation of numbers

[2:14:22] have not resulted in the development of

[2:14:24] affordable housing as can be seen

[2:14:26] through the affordable housing reporting

[2:14:28] tool for non-ontiguous Snalami Valley

[2:14:30] cities. So basically creating more

[2:14:32] capacity has not resulted in more

[2:14:34] interest from developers given the

[2:14:36] constraints out here. Um we also talked

[2:14:38] a bit about programs like ARCH. Um you

[2:14:41] know we were just recently asked by SCA

[2:14:43] why don't cities like us pay into ARCH

[2:14:46] or regularly participate in that and the

[2:14:48] simple answer is ARCH is never going to

[2:14:50] build a project out here and why would

[2:14:51] they? We don't have the transit. We

[2:14:53] don't have the wraparound services. So

[2:14:54] just explaining a little bit more of

[2:14:56] that um and why that wouldn't happen out

[2:14:59] here. But we still need right-sized

[2:15:01] projects like senior housing and things

[2:15:03] like that like our nation was able to do

[2:15:05] with their senior center. Um some

[2:15:07] non-growth related items that were

[2:15:09] accomplished in this meeting is after we

[2:15:12] got through the content of the letter we

[2:15:14] took an impromptu walk down to the

[2:15:16] Stonewall River and it was really

[2:15:18] important because along the way we were

[2:15:19] able to point out our various

[2:15:21] facilities. Um I was able to show

[2:15:23] executive Zahalai the fa very faded

[2:15:25] signage on the Snowali Valley Trail. We

[2:15:27] were talking about how our segment of

[2:15:29] the trail compared to other cities is

[2:15:31] extremely underinvested. And of course,

[2:15:33] he noticed that our signs even had the

[2:15:35] old Imperial logo of King County. Though

[2:15:37] I think showing the eroding shoreline in

[2:15:39] McCormack Park as well as just the

[2:15:41] general proximity to these big natural

[2:15:43] features we have like the river and then

[2:15:45] walking back up to city hall. It's a big

[2:15:47] hill to walk back up and just I think

[2:15:49] it's just there's a uniqueness to Dubal

[2:15:51] that have to be felt and experienced and

[2:15:53] I can't put into a letter. So, we were

[2:15:56] really excited to have him out here to

[2:15:58] see it for himself. Um, but with that, I

[2:16:01] would and I'll check in with you if

[2:16:02] there's anything you would add to that

[2:16:04] or did I mostly cover everything?

[2:16:06] >> Yeah, I think so. We've had um an

[2:16:08] opportunity for one of his staff members

[2:16:09] to write back to us as well regarding

[2:16:12] the affordable housing target and the

[2:16:15] opportunity we have not necessarily to

[2:16:18] go back and relitigate the 2023 numbers

[2:16:21] through reconciliation but to look

[2:16:22] forward and work on a reconciliation in

[2:16:26] the future when they reopen the

[2:16:28] affordable housing inventory tool which

[2:16:31] begins as early as 2028.

[2:16:34] >> Okay. So, with that, um, and I'll go to

[2:16:37] you in one second. I guess, you know,

[2:16:39] with this part of my report, I just

[2:16:41] wanted to open it back up to council

[2:16:43] since that was under your direction. And

[2:16:45] like I said, you can always ask for it.

[2:16:47] I think the answer from them was quite

[2:16:48] clear of what they're thinking is more

[2:16:51] look forward to that next process. I

[2:16:54] know that's not the answer a lot of

[2:16:55] people probably want, but mayor.

[2:16:57] >> Yeah, it was more just was whether it

[2:17:00] was a question or a point of

[2:17:01] information. Um just hearing from the

[2:17:03] public comments and and I know um city

[2:17:07] administrator touched on this a little

[2:17:09] bit during the council the whole but

[2:17:12] just the clarification that we we

[2:17:15] submitted a plan and it had based on a

[2:17:17] certain set of numbers and it was

[2:17:20] rejected and we're under appeal and I

[2:17:22] don't know that that's clear to everyone

[2:17:23] in the room. I want to make sure that is clear that this is not the

[2:17:27] original goround. There was a lot of

[2:17:29] community engagement. It was over

[2:17:30] multiple years. we had public sessions.

[2:17:33] Um that plan was submitted and then it

[2:17:36] was uh rejected at both the state and at the county level. And so we're

[2:17:40] going through the appeal process now. So

[2:17:42] it is a little more constrained than if

[2:17:44] we were doing this from scratch based on

[2:17:46] time and and deadlines in order to meet

[2:17:50] the statutory requirements for the

[2:17:51] appeal process. But I wanted to to make

[2:17:53] sure that the city administrator and or you mayor just you know clarify that

[2:17:57] for the room since we have a slightly

[2:17:59] different audience in here now than we

[2:18:00] had during the council whole meeting.

[2:18:02] >> Yeah. And I think since we were able to

[2:18:03] cover some of these things in the

[2:18:05] committee the whole but there's

[2:18:06] obviously a lot of people here it might

[2:18:07] be beneficial to recover some of those

[2:18:09] and do you want to wait to have a light

[2:18:11] discussion with council about what I

[2:18:13] just talked about first or did you want

[2:18:14] to go back through this first?

[2:18:16] >> I can just show one slide to respond

[2:18:18] directly to Mayor Prom. So if we go a

[2:18:20] couple slides in uh one couple more

[2:18:25] to this one. Yeah, there we go.

[2:18:29] >> Um so

[2:18:31] the comprehensive plan wasn't appealed

[2:18:34] per se. Um the land use element and the

[2:18:39] capacity analysis was appealed. So back

[2:18:44] in 2024, the comprehensive plan covers a

[2:18:46] lot of things. And so there was a large

[2:18:49] public process um in 2024 with the

[2:18:54] steering committee. So the steering

[2:18:55] committee was made up and

[2:18:56] [clears throat] comprised of community

[2:18:58] members who steered the direction of the

[2:19:00] comprehensive plan and all of the

[2:19:02] elements including transportation, land

[2:19:05] use, housing, parks, trails, and open

[2:19:07] space, economic development. I'm sure

[2:19:09] I'm saying one. Um so that public

[2:19:12] process with the steering committee

[2:19:14] resulted um on the timeline you see here

[2:19:17] a series of public meetings to steer the

[2:19:20] direction of the comprehensive plan. We

[2:19:23] also had a separate community steering

[2:19:28] um steering committee comprised of

[2:19:29] community members and public outreach on

[2:19:32] the housing action plan. And the housing

[2:19:34] action plan is an element of the

[2:19:36] comprehensive plan. It speaks to all the

[2:19:38] housing policies that are in the city.

[2:19:42] What the city failed to do when we

[2:19:45] passed a comprehensive plan in December

[2:19:47] of 2025 was to simultaneously

[2:19:51] zone for capacity. So, the cities that

[2:19:54] didn't get appealed did all of it. the

[2:19:57] city of Duval failed to show that we had

[2:20:00] capacity for housing, specifically um

[2:20:04] rates of affordable housing um under 80%

[2:20:07] AMI and we didn't plan for our um jobs

[2:20:12] numbers and so those elements of our

[2:20:16] comprehensive plan were appealed. So, we

[2:20:18] were directed by the state attorney

[2:20:19] general office and the state commerce

[2:20:23] department to fix those items of the

[2:20:25] comprehensive plan. So, we're not

[2:20:27] redoing this massive project that

[2:20:29] happened in 2024. We are doing an

[2:20:32] element of it that should have been done

[2:20:34] back when we passed the entire

[2:20:36] comprehensive plan.

[2:20:37] >> Um, relative to kind of how the state is

[2:20:41] viewing cities. Um so we are one of the

[2:20:44] few cities that got appealed along with

[2:20:46] Mercer Island. Um some cities didn't get

[2:20:49] appealed directly but are now under an

[2:20:53] audit from the department of commerce

[2:20:55] including our neighbors to the south

[2:20:57] carnation Bainbridge Island Bozart. So

[2:21:00] there were two directions that the state

[2:21:02] basically said you will manage your

[2:21:04] comprehensive plan and do what we tell

[2:21:06] you to do in terms of regulatory

[2:21:08] changes. That was like us. we got

[2:21:10] appealed and the other process is these

[2:21:13] single audits that um the cities who

[2:21:17] also didn't meet their capacity

[2:21:20] requirements got uh audited by the

[2:21:22] department of commerce. So there was

[2:21:24] kind of two ways um that this happened.

[2:21:27] We are under a settlement agreement with

[2:21:28] the department of commerce. We are

[2:21:30] required to do a set of um items that is

[2:21:34] an adopted work plan by December 31st,

[2:21:37] 2026. So we have about five more months.

[2:21:41] That doesn't mean that there isn't other

[2:21:42] work that we can do once we get through

[2:21:44] the appeal. So things like creating

[2:21:47] historical overlays or uh affordable

[2:21:50] housing overlays complement our

[2:21:52] comprehensive plan. And if you look at

[2:21:54] the land use element in the housing

[2:21:56] action plan, those kinds of things,

[2:21:58] those kind of programs are embedded in

[2:22:01] the comprehensive plan that was adopted

[2:22:03] in 2025. So we have to do kind of a list

[2:22:07] of six things that the state is telling

[2:22:08] us to do by the end of 2026. But that

[2:22:11] doesn't mean that there isn't more work

[2:22:12] that can complement the comprehensive

[2:22:14] plan in 2027 and 2028.

[2:22:16] >> I hope that answers your question.

[2:22:18] >> I other council members

[2:22:22] and I mean at this point you don't need

[2:22:23] to make a decision. I just you know

[2:22:25] wanted to update you on what our meeting

[2:22:27] was like with the King County Executive

[2:22:29] and uh Council Member Olen.

[2:22:32] >> Yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to ask to what

[2:22:34] degree Executive Zahalai was was as

[2:22:37] sympathetic and I mean this is a soft

[2:22:38] thing, not a hard thing, but to what to

[2:22:40] what degree was he empathetic at all to

[2:22:42] some of the concerns we have around

[2:22:44] emergency medical services, around

[2:22:45] infrastructure, uh as it relates to

[2:22:48] adding so much development.

[2:22:52] >> Uh I mean, okay, I'm swiggling here. I

[2:22:57] um you know, I made the case for Duvall.

[2:23:00] I'm going to continue to make the case

[2:23:01] for Duvall. have become a squeaky wheel

[2:23:03] in every regional committee that I

[2:23:04] attend. Executive Zahalai is on some of

[2:23:07] those. Um I didn't say anything new that

[2:23:10] I haven't been saying since January in

[2:23:12] this letter and for the last eight years

[2:23:14] that I've been serving the city. So it's

[2:23:18] um you know honestly I feel a little

[2:23:20] frustrated. I think they're not quite in

[2:23:22] that level of detail. They are just

[2:23:24] looking at big regional things. Actually

[2:23:26] that's one thing that um thank you. You

[2:23:28] just reminded me talking about

[2:23:30] affordability. You know, I also had

[2:23:32] pointed out to him that we're regionally

[2:23:35] affordable. So, we're affordable

[2:23:37] compared to Kirkland, compared to

[2:23:38] Redmond, but someone had mentioned their daughter couldn't live here. My

[2:23:41] mom would love to live here and she

[2:23:43] can't. So, she lives up in Everett. And

[2:23:45] so, I'm like, regional affordability,

[2:23:47] that's what they're looking. They're

[2:23:48] looking way up here. And I'm saying

[2:23:50] locally, we're not affordable. You can't

[2:23:52] grow up here and get your first place at

[2:23:55] working a job in VBA. That just doesn't

[2:23:57] exist here. And so I think there is not

[2:24:00] quite an understanding and this was kind

[2:24:02] of the job question that had come up

[2:24:03] asking well where do your service

[2:24:05] workers live and I'm like not here

[2:24:08] mostly or a lot of our service workers

[2:24:10] are the teenagers and I talked about the

[2:24:11] flooding and how the teenagers were

[2:24:13] running the town when everything was

[2:24:14] shut down and I think there's just a

[2:24:17] little disconnect right and so this is a

[2:24:19] part of that relationship building and I

[2:24:21] will keep telling the story of Duval

[2:24:23] non-ontiguous cities and for people who

[2:24:26] don't know that term that just means

[2:24:27] We're not a city that bumps right up

[2:24:29] against another city. I also really, I

[2:24:32] think hopefully drove home the point

[2:24:34] that we constantly serve unincorporated

[2:24:37] King County residents and that's okay.

[2:24:39] We are their town, too, even though they

[2:24:41] don't live in the city limits. But some

[2:24:44] recognition every time that King County

[2:24:46] passes a new tax or does something new,

[2:24:48] is a pass through to the city,

[2:24:49] recognizing that our parks serve King

[2:24:51] County residents as well. So, there was

[2:24:54] a lot of discussion. I can't really, you

[2:24:57] know, answer your question because I

[2:24:58] just don't know. I didn't feel a whole

[2:25:01] lot of reaction at all if that sort of

[2:25:03] answers your question, but I, you know,

[2:25:05] I don't know what he was thinking or

[2:25:06] what where his mind was at. My hope is

[2:25:08] just that this is one of many future

[2:25:11] conversations that I will continue to

[2:25:12] have and I won't stop reaching out and telling that story of Dubal and why

[2:25:17] we're different. So, I don't know. Does

[2:25:19] that kind of answer your [laughter]

[2:25:21] question?

[2:25:23] >> Yeah. I I mean that that's that's

[2:25:24] essentially what I expected and and

[2:25:27] I think it's important to continue

[2:25:29] telling the story. I you know I I I do

[2:25:31] the same whenever I have the opportunity

[2:25:32] and so yeah just to help them understand

[2:25:34] and start to see you know the picture at our level um is is important. So

[2:25:40] thank you.

[2:25:40] >> Yeah I mean I did I mean maybe I don't

[2:25:42] know I got the impression that maybe he

[2:25:44] hadn't heard some of these perspectives

[2:25:46] before. So I am happy to continue

[2:25:48] sending those perspectives his way

[2:25:50] [laughter] over to his staff. So

[2:25:52] >> well and I would say he chose to bring

[2:25:54] as one of the staff members that

[2:25:56] accompanied him the lead regional

[2:25:58] planner in King County. So he had the

[2:26:01] right person in the room to hear our

[2:26:03] concerns around our growth targets.

[2:26:05] >> That was a very valuable connection and

[2:26:07] yeah thank you for mentioning that. I

[2:26:09] think that will be key going forward in

[2:26:10] the future and looking forward to when

[2:26:13] this round of next round of reallocation

[2:26:17] uh starts again. And I think we're

[2:26:19] getting some good partners. Uh SCA,

[2:26:21] which is Sound Cities Association, for

[2:26:23] those in the room that don't know that

[2:26:24] acronym, um they have their small cities

[2:26:26] work group. And I think AWC is also

[2:26:29] getting I know their definition of a

[2:26:30] small city is way smaller than us, but

[2:26:32] um I think there's some good work

[2:26:34] happening as a region and we're starting

[2:26:37] to get louder and more organized and um

[2:26:39] I'm happy to help contribute to that

[2:26:41] anywhere I can.

[2:26:44] Are there other questions or thoughts?

[2:26:45] And like I said, you don't have to um I

[2:26:48] guess sort of my I just want to at least

[2:26:50] tell you what happened and you can think

[2:26:52] about, you know, is there anything else

[2:26:54] you want to do at this point other than

[2:26:56] plan for that round that is coming in a

[2:27:00] little over a year, honestly. So, um

[2:27:03] yeah, other council members.

[2:27:06] Okay. And then I wanted to I know we

[2:27:08] covered the city administrators report.

[2:27:10] Is there anything you wanted to recover

[2:27:11] or are you good?

[2:27:13] >> I don't think [clears throat] so.

[2:27:13] >> Yeah. Okay. Um, I know that's not usual,

[2:27:16] but like I said, we have a lot of people

[2:27:17] in the room. Um, so next up we have

[2:27:18] council reports. Are there any council

[2:27:20] members wanting to speak tonight?

[2:27:23] Council member Olen,

[2:27:27] >> I did have a a report. I I'll thank you

[2:27:29] for that. I I'll start with with just

[2:27:32] kind of echoing on the same topic. I

[2:27:33] mean, so one of the one of the events I

[2:27:35] attended recently was the the Sound

[2:27:38] Cities Association summer social at the Lake Wilderness Lodge in Maple

[2:27:41] Valley. And um I'm going to edit this

[2:27:44] down a little bit just given the the

[2:27:46] nature of the evening. Um I had two two

[2:27:49] really interesting conversations there.

[2:27:51] One of them was with the keynote speaker

[2:27:53] was was former King County Executive

[2:27:56] Shannon Bradock and it was a really

[2:27:58] interesting conversation with her. She

[2:28:00] now is the the president and CEO of

[2:28:02] Greater president and CEO of Greater

[2:28:05] Seattle Partners, which is a public

[2:28:07] private partnership focused on regional

[2:28:09] economic development and attracting jobs

[2:28:11] and investment to the greater Seattle

[2:28:12] area. And so, you know, I pulled her

[2:28:14] aside and we spoke for a little bit

[2:28:16] about what might be important for a

[2:28:18] small town like Duvall. Um because a lot

[2:28:22] of times, you know, they're they're

[2:28:23] really thinking big picture and they're

[2:28:24] thinking, you know, Seattle and they're

[2:28:25] thinking Redmond and, you know,

[2:28:27] Belleview and and things like that and

[2:28:28] huge economic drivers for the for the,

[2:28:31] you know, for the the community at

[2:28:32] large. And I pulled her aside and I

[2:28:34] said, you know, what what should we be

[2:28:35] thinking about, you know, as as a

[2:28:37] smaller town? And she said, really, you

[2:28:39] know, there's there's actually a lot of

[2:28:40] value to the region in general in being

[2:28:43] a better community, so don't overlook

[2:28:46] that, and it's okay if that's what you

[2:28:48] choose to do, she said. But really what

[2:28:50] what's important is that as a community

[2:28:52] you stop and you think about what do you

[2:28:54] want your true north to be. Um and then

[2:28:57] focus on on that. Focus on what that

[2:28:59] true north is. You know, do you want to

[2:29:01] be a a music and arts community? Do you

[2:29:03] want to be a veteran community? What

[2:29:04] does that look like? Um and then build

[2:29:06] your policies around that. And I just

[2:29:08] thought that was a really interesting uh

[2:29:10] comment from her. Um so that was one

[2:29:12] really interesting conversation I had.

[2:29:13] And the other conversation I had was

[2:29:16] with uh a member of the governor's

[2:29:18] office. He happened to be there. He was

[2:29:20] the governor's representative for King

[2:29:22] County. And when he introduced himself,

[2:29:24] I mean, I just jumped at the opportunity

[2:29:25] and I I really had uh a similar

[2:29:29] conversation as what you described with

[2:29:31] executive Zahalai. You know, I I pulled

[2:29:33] him aside and I said, you know, can I

[2:29:35] take, you know, can I been your year for

[2:29:36] several minutes? And and so we walked

[2:29:38] off to the side and we sat down and I

[2:29:39] drew them a map of Duval and I explained

[2:29:42] what our roads infrastructure looks like

[2:29:44] and I talked about, you know, I talked

[2:29:46] about 203 and that's their road and I

[2:29:48] talked about WD and I talked about 124th

[2:29:51] and how these are county roads and

[2:29:53] they're not ours and I talked about what

[2:29:55] these expansion plans are and and how we

[2:29:57] have to reszone in order to satisfy, you

[2:29:59] know, Department of Commerce growth

[2:30:01] requirements and GMA growth

[2:30:02] requirements, but that we don't have the

[2:30:04] infrastructure really to support this.

[2:30:05] and I have real, you know, social equity

[2:30:08] concerns and that I like the idea for my

[2:30:10] kids to be able to have a home to move

[2:30:12] into when they're ready to join the

[2:30:14] workforce. Um, I like them being able to

[2:30:16] afford that. I like the idea of being

[2:30:18] able to downsize when when I retire. Uh,

[2:30:21] but though it's it's not necessarily

[2:30:22] affordable to do that right now. Um, and

[2:30:25] so I like the idea of adding affordable

[2:30:26] homes, but adding these affordable homes

[2:30:29] is really a challenge because as we

[2:30:31] invite new residents into our community,

[2:30:34] it's it's it's again it's really a

[2:30:36] challenge. You know, we had these floods

[2:30:38] and when this flood was here, how you

[2:30:41] know, we have to, you know, boat people

[2:30:43] across the river back and forth across

[2:30:44] the valley. We have mothers that can't

[2:30:46] get home to their kids and etc. So, it's

[2:30:48] a real concern. And so, how do we handle

[2:30:50] that? you know, and as I drew this map

[2:30:52] for him, you know, on the back of a

[2:30:53] napkin helped him understand that. He

[2:30:54] said, you know, I've heard similar

[2:30:57] concerns to this from other cities, but sitting here and kind of drawing it

[2:31:01] out with you, it really it really helps

[2:31:02] to hit home. And you know, I had a

[2:31:04] similar kind of conversation with

[2:31:05] Carnation, but um uh this was really

[2:31:08] impactful and thank you for that. And he ended up going back to his office and

[2:31:12] he said, "I'm going to talk with my

[2:31:14] policy people." Obviously, I don't

[2:31:15] expect any immediate action to come back

[2:31:16] from that, you know, but but he he did

[2:31:18] hear it and he said, "I'm going to speak

[2:31:20] with my policy people so we can, you

[2:31:22] know, begin thinking about how this

[2:31:23] impacts people in the future and, you

[2:31:25] know, the non-ontiguous city thing." And

[2:31:27] um he did follow up with me with an

[2:31:29] email the next day. Um and and kind of

[2:31:31] thanked me for the time and you know,

[2:31:33] some of that may have just been his job

[2:31:34] and that's what he's supposed to do, but

[2:31:36] I but he really did uh lend a sincere

[2:31:38] ear and really kind of internalize it

[2:31:40] and and provide good feedback. And so,

[2:31:43] um, I thought that was a really good

[2:31:44] conversation and and just, you know, he

[2:31:45] really invited me to follow up in the

[2:31:46] future. So, that was a good event and a

[2:31:49] good conversation. Um, so I really

[2:31:51] appreciated that. Um, and then

[2:31:55] one other one other mention I I'll offer

[2:31:57] which is really completely unrelated,

[2:31:59] but I thought it was a really good

[2:32:00] event. So I attended a session on

[2:32:02] emergency preparedness that was put on

[2:32:04] by the King Kob King County Office of

[2:32:06] Emergency Management and it was sort of

[2:32:08] a retrospective look at Sai and the

[2:32:12] impact of the the the great East Japan

[2:32:14] earthquake and the tsunami that followed

[2:32:16] and how it really devastated their

[2:32:18] community. And one of the the the the

[2:32:21] most fascinating takeaways I took from

[2:32:23] that was, you know, at first residents

[2:32:26] really reacted and were upset with local

[2:32:28] officials at how um how there were just

[2:32:32] such a massive failure uh from an

[2:32:34] infrastructure perspective to protect

[2:32:36] the community and and how things had

[2:32:37] gone wrong. But then they realized that

[2:32:39] this the the scale of the problem is

[2:32:42] just so massive that that one person

[2:32:46] can't solve it. Five people can't solve

[2:32:47] it. And so they've really kind of

[2:32:49] shifted the culture uh entirely there to

[2:32:53] now the community as a whole has adopted

[2:32:56] responsibility for for

[2:32:59] emergency preparedness. And so this has

[2:33:02] gone so far as to um for example it's

[2:33:06] now built into the school curriculum.

[2:33:08] And so they take, you know, their their

[2:33:10] elementary school kids out and the kids

[2:33:12] in classroom, they draw maps of the

[2:33:14] community and then they go out and they

[2:33:16] walk around the community and they look

[2:33:17] at low points in elevation and high

[2:33:19] points in elevation and if there's

[2:33:21] flooding, here's the quickest way to get

[2:33:23] to the higher point in elevation. And

[2:33:25] you the the way they build their

[2:33:26] infrastructure now, you know, they they

[2:33:27] actually elevate streets. So if a

[2:33:30] tsunami comes in, you know, the elevated

[2:33:32] streets act as BMS to slow down, you

[2:33:35] know, water coming in. I it was just a

[2:33:37] really fascinating look um at at how the culture of the community shifted um

[2:33:43] to help distribute uh and carry the

[2:33:45] weight of some of these burdens. And so

[2:33:47] anyway, it was it was a really

[2:33:48] interesting thing and so uh I was really

[2:33:50] impressed by that. You know, middle

[2:33:52] schoolers learned how to do water

[2:33:53] distribution uh for the entire town as a

[2:33:55] part of their their uh um curriculum. So

[2:33:59] it was an interesting it was a really

[2:34:00] interesting session. Um so that was that

[2:34:02] was the last one. Then I guess suppose

[2:34:04] was the last thing uh barefoot Tim

[2:34:06] Mercer and I attended the the the

[2:34:08] working waterfront tour hosted by the

[2:34:10] port of Seattle where we went down to

[2:34:11] the to the port and got to tour around

[2:34:13] and understand the the economics of the

[2:34:16] port and and look at uh really all how

[2:34:19] everything different function. We look

[2:34:20] so we looked at the economics and we

[2:34:21] also looked at how um over time

[2:34:25] uh environmentally the the tribes have been involved and how they've done

[2:34:29] some environmental restoration and and

[2:34:31] uh kept the port in business and things

[2:34:33] like that. We had several good

[2:34:34] conversations with different mayors and

[2:34:35] council members and things while we were

[2:34:37] there. Uh it was really good

[2:34:38] relationship building as well. So uh

[2:34:40] several other events as well not as

[2:34:42] relevant for tonight. Um so I'll I'll

[2:34:44] leave it with that. Thank you.

[2:34:47] >> Great. Other council members have

[2:34:48] reports. Mayor Chris Summer.

[2:34:50] >> Yeah. So, I'll keep this relatively

[2:34:53] brief. Um, council member Olen touched

[2:34:55] on the port. I I think that was

[2:34:57] informative, but we always learn a lot,

[2:34:59] you know, in terms of the port is an

[2:35:00] economic driver for the region versus

[2:35:02] just Seattle is who we think of it and just the amount of, you know, even

[2:35:08] just seeing it visually in terms of the

[2:35:10] inlets and the various, it was much

[2:35:11] bigger than I think either one of us

[2:35:14] anticipated. Plus, it was some good

[2:35:16] opportunities to talk. There was a

[2:35:17] number of folks from the St. Paul Valley

[2:35:19] there as well as other other

[2:35:21] jurisdictions. Um there was not a a a

[2:35:24] public issues committee SCA or sound

[2:35:26] cities association public issues um

[2:35:29] committee meeting this month and they

[2:35:31] were in recess. Um but I think the I

[2:35:35] wanted to sort of revisit something that

[2:35:37] the city administrator touched on in

[2:35:39] terms of and you may in terms of other

[2:35:43] venues we have to to really drive this.

[2:35:45] Um I am on as part of also part of this

[2:35:49] the small cities working group which um

[2:35:52] sound cities association stood up to

[2:35:54] sort of address a need that they

[2:35:56] identify between how the association of

[2:35:59] Washington defines a small city which is

[2:36:00] I think under 50,000 or something you

[2:36:03] know it's it's quite large versus what

[2:36:05] we think of a small city um and then

[2:36:07] what we actually consider small cities

[2:36:09] and and I think um between that and the

[2:36:13] association Washington city's

[2:36:15] legislative priorities commission which

[2:36:17] I'm also part of. A lot of the focus

[2:36:19] this year has really been around uh

[2:36:21] engagement with elected officials at at

[2:36:24] a regional and a state level. And then

[2:36:26] also really trying to shift the

[2:36:29] conversation

[2:36:31] um you know because I think there's a

[2:36:33] perspective at the state level that

[2:36:34] small cities don't want to accommodate

[2:36:36] growth which is I even heard Father Ring

[2:36:38] this evening that's not necessarily the

[2:36:39] case. It's but but when we push back in

[2:36:43] terms of things, it's it tends to be

[2:36:44] viewed that way. So, we've actually been

[2:36:47] investing a lot of effort to really

[2:36:49] pivot the conversation to it not being a

[2:36:53] one-sizefits-all conversation. You know,

[2:36:55] how can we have more time to adopt some

[2:36:57] of these changes? Uh, can you take time

[2:36:59] to evaluate the changes in the

[2:37:02] legislation you push down to see if it's

[2:37:03] working or not? Um, can you create some

[2:37:06] different criteria so that Juvall is not

[2:37:08] treated the same as Belleview? because

[2:37:10] we're not the same as Belleview. We're

[2:37:11] not the same as Escoire or Windville.

[2:37:13] Um, and there are a lot of challenges

[2:37:15] around a non-ontiguous city as well as a

[2:37:17] city without a a large uh retail for uh

[2:37:20] there's the historic elements that we've

[2:37:22] talked about, there's being on the

[2:37:23] waterfront and the infrastructure needs.

[2:37:25] And so I think the conversation we had

[2:37:28] with representative the governor's

[2:37:29] office, even though they're in an

[2:37:31] executive function versus a legislative

[2:37:32] function, very empathetic, very

[2:37:35] understood. he was had an environmental

[2:37:37] background, sort of resonated a lot of

[2:37:39] the points and was going to take that

[2:37:41] back and connect. Um, but I did want to

[2:37:44] we had a meeting yesterday sort of a

[2:37:47] preview before we propose this year's

[2:37:50] legislative agenda to the the board just

[2:37:53] in terms of looking forward to the

[2:37:54] session, you know, at the state level

[2:37:56] since a lot of this comes down from the

[2:37:58] state and there is it's a little bit

[2:38:00] longer session. There is also expected

[2:38:02] to be a budget gap this year uh which

[2:38:05] will occupy a lot of their attention and really the core areas were

[2:38:09] education, housing and affordability

[2:38:12] jobs. And so some of these same themes

[2:38:15] but um the guidance we really received

[2:38:18] was you know be focused, be specific, be

[2:38:20] very narrow, don't ask for the sort of

[2:38:22] you know boil ocean very some very

[2:38:24] specific things. And then the other

[2:38:26] piece of guidance was engaging early

[2:38:28] which I think city administrator Nav

[2:38:30] you've already done. We do the hill

[2:38:31] climbs, we've built the relationships.

[2:38:33] Uh, and that's where the community can

[2:38:35] really help us because nothing, I think,

[2:38:38] moves the ball further than a good

[2:38:39] narrative. You know, building the story,

[2:38:42] being able to bring people into the

[2:38:43] town, uh, being able to, uh, convert an

[2:38:46] impact, you know, that that may be an

[2:38:48] individual impact to something that's

[2:38:50] affecting the broader community and then

[2:38:51] we can use that to move the Dell

[2:38:52] forward. But I also wanted to set

[2:38:54] expectations that on the one hand we're

[2:38:57] driving toward a lot of statutory nates

[2:38:59] which is moving relatively fast. On the

[2:39:02] other side the legislature moves very

[2:39:03] slow. So um you know again I want to

[2:39:07] welcome and appreciate everyone's who's

[2:39:09] providing input this evening. Um and

[2:39:11] just sort of highlight that we are

[2:39:12] working on this from a number of

[2:39:14] different angles not necessarily just

[2:39:16] from the perspective of this particular

[2:39:18] set of development and zoning changes.

[2:39:20] There are a lot of pieces that we're kind of trying to to move the ball

[2:39:23] forward.

[2:39:24] >> Yeah, thank you for that. Other council

[2:39:26] members have reports tonight.

[2:39:29] Okay. So, with that, we'll go ahead and

[2:39:31] move on to our presentations. First up,

[2:39:33] we have interlocal agreement with Isqua

[2:39:35] District Court with City Administrator

[2:39:36] McNav.

[2:39:38] >> I will make this very quick. So, I

[2:39:40] recognize that people in the audience

[2:39:41] are not waiting for this, [laughter]

[2:39:44] which totally fine. Um,

[2:39:47] but you know, interesting. So, uh, just

[2:39:50] quick background for anybody who might

[2:39:51] be curious, but I'll go really fast. Uh,

[2:39:55] delivers our court services. If any of

[2:39:57] you all doesn't have court, we can't

[2:39:58] afford to have our own court. So, we

[2:40:01] contract out with Isiqua to um both

[2:40:06] prosecute and defend uh any citation is

[2:40:09] issued here in Dubal. Next slide. Um, so

[2:40:13] we've been uh talking about a new

[2:40:15] agreement that IPA gave us. we weren't

[2:40:18] super happy with the draft of it. So, um

[2:40:22] we are looking to negotiate some of the

[2:40:24] terms in the ILA we have with the city

[2:40:27] of Isqua. Um but as part of that, not

[2:40:30] only talking to Qua about some changes

[2:40:33] in the contract they gave us, but

[2:40:35] looking at what other options we have.

[2:40:37] So, I'm in early conversation with the

[2:40:39] city of Balk to determine if they're

[2:40:41] interested in serving as a contract city

[2:40:43] for us just to get an idea of what a

[2:40:45] different model in a different city

[2:40:46] might look like. They have never done

[2:40:48] this, so it might not work out because

[2:40:51] we need to get our Isiqua ILA negotiated

[2:40:53] and adopted if we want to stick with

[2:40:56] Isqua by the end of September. But, um,

[2:40:59] really good conversation with both. I

[2:41:01] sent them over some data. We're

[2:41:03] hopefully by the end of the uh week

[2:41:05] going to have um just an understanding

[2:41:07] from their judge about whether or not

[2:41:09] they think that they can have the

[2:41:11] capacity for it because again it would

[2:41:12] be totally new in BL. Um yesterday I met

[2:41:16] with King County District Court. So they

[2:41:18] have a court in Redmond Isiqua. Um and

[2:41:22] we were with the King County District

[2:41:24] Court for our court services through an

[2:41:26] interlocal agreement uh up until 2021.

[2:41:29] That's when we moved to Isiqua. So, I

[2:41:31] met with them to discuss costs, our

[2:41:33] prior LIA, and to figure out if they

[2:41:37] would be a more affordable option with

[2:41:39] more favorable terms than its cloth. Um,

[2:41:42] and then I met with the city of Isqua

[2:41:44] yesterday afternoon along with our city

[2:41:46] attorney and their city attorney and

[2:41:49] four other staff to talk about proposed

[2:41:51] changes to the uh ILA draft that we got

[2:41:55] from them. Next slide. So, we had a

[2:41:58] really good conversation. So that's the good news. Um

[2:42:03] there we go. Um sorry it's really small

[2:42:06] font. Um so the city of Duval um so kind

[2:42:09] of next steps we are going to provide

[2:42:12] edited language to the 6D provision that

[2:42:16] we had a a good exchange on at the last

[2:42:19] meeting. So talking about advanced

[2:42:21] notice and approval for significant

[2:42:23] non-emergency expenses. We want itemized

[2:42:26] supporting documentation.

[2:42:28] want the ability to review in advance um

[2:42:31] before fees are imposed, kind of all the

[2:42:34] things listed here. So, I'm going to um

[2:42:38] edit the document. Uh our city attorney

[2:42:40] is going to review my edits and we'll

[2:42:42] get it over to the city of Isqua. They

[2:42:45] seem amendable to those changes. Um

[2:42:48] we'll also propose a shortened

[2:42:49] termination clause from one year to a

[2:42:52] shorter time frame um probably 6 months.

[2:42:55] And then next slide, it's aqua will

[2:42:59] amend the fee structure to a sliding

[2:43:00] scale based on the number of cases that

[2:43:03] we file. Um they'll look at a threshold

[2:43:06] number of filed cases prior to

[2:43:08] triggering the extraordinary cox

[2:43:10] threshold. So the question really became

[2:43:14] between 300 and x number. How much can

[2:43:17] the city of Ithacqua accommodate before

[2:43:20] we hit this level of them hiring new

[2:43:23] people, building a new court, all the

[2:43:25] kind of um extraordinary provisions in

[2:43:28] 6D and um they didn't they they gave us

[2:43:31] you know a number of 500. We don't know

[2:43:33] if that's a number um but we're going to

[2:43:36] change the cost model that we wouldn't

[2:43:39] hit even considering those extraordinary

[2:43:41] costs until we hit an upper ceiling. So,

[2:43:44] they're going to restructure um the fee

[2:43:46] schedule uh to look at that. Um we need

[2:43:50] to look at changing the length of time

[2:43:51] for remand from 30 minutes to 45

[2:43:54] minutes. Um Chief was feeling very

[2:43:56] optimistic when we talked last, but he

[2:43:58] was like, "No, 30 minutes isn't going to

[2:44:00] work." Um and then we're going to remove

[2:44:02] the binding arbitration clause. Next

[2:44:05] slide. So, really good conversation with

[2:44:08] district court. These are teeny. you'll

[2:44:11] have the um the PowerPoint. Uh it's

[2:44:14] already in the packet for you all to

[2:44:16] look at. Um so this is the ILA that we

[2:44:19] had from district court back in 2021.

[2:44:22] Um to summarize what you see on the

[2:44:24] screen, dis King County District Court

[2:44:27] charged us in 2021 $91,000

[2:44:30] for court services. The way their model

[2:44:33] works is then you discount the revenue

[2:44:36] that you bring in from tickets and and

[2:44:40] other revenue generating um citations

[2:44:43] and then the outcome is what you pay the

[2:44:46] district court. So in 2021

[2:44:50] uh 91,000 minus what we brought in in

[2:44:53] revenue, we ended up with a bill for

[2:44:56] about $43,000.

[2:44:58] Uh next slide.

[2:45:01] Um, so these are just kind of the cost

[2:45:03] components of that over the next two

[2:45:04] slides. Next slide

[2:45:07] and then slide just so you all have the

[2:45:09] cost components of it and we'll get to

[2:45:11] that. Uh, high level uh it would be

[2:45:13] really expensive for us to go with King

[2:45:15] County. And I suspect that's probably

[2:45:17] why we uh went with

[2:45:21] um the 2021 numbers um were high then

[2:45:26] adjust for inflation in 2027.

[2:45:29] um they're going to be much higher than

[2:45:31] $91,000.

[2:45:33] Um and the way their model works is

[2:45:37] um you take this discount of the re

[2:45:40] revenue that you generate from

[2:45:43] uh tickets to kind of bite down your

[2:45:46] rate. The challenge is DV, DUI, some of

[2:45:50] the things that we're seeing more and

[2:45:51] more in our community are not revenue

[2:45:53] generating. um even if a fee or a fine

[2:45:57] is imposed, it's not often that we

[2:45:59] collect. And so the district court

[2:46:02] person was great. She was really candid

[2:46:04] and transparent. She like, "Unless you

[2:46:06] write a ton of speeding tickets and

[2:46:10] parking enforcement cases, you will not

[2:46:11] be able to buy down that rate to the

[2:46:13] point of it being affordable to do

[2:46:15] golf." And so that's kind of the the

[2:46:18] high high level um view. She's willing

[2:46:21] to give us a quote, but I think um at

[2:46:24] this point um since we had a good

[2:46:26] meeting with the fall, we'll just

[2:46:27] continue to pursue getting uh the ILA

[2:46:30] with ISPA in a good form because

[2:46:32] ultimately I think it'll be more cost

[2:46:34] effective for the city to stick with

[2:46:36] that agreement.

[2:46:38] And that's it. Happy to answer any

[2:46:40] questions. Sorry, that was really any

[2:46:42] questions or comments council member. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to

[2:46:47] see his claw bent a little bit and

[2:46:50] >> yeah and now in their negotiations I'm happy with that. Seem to work out

[2:46:55] pretty well.

[2:46:57] >> Council member Wiggins.

[2:46:59] >> Uh yes. I just want to say thank you

[2:47:00] administrator for reaching out to Both

[2:47:02] of King County. I think that's great to

[2:47:03] have that in our in our arsenal to be

[2:47:06] able to put in front of Mr. Qua

[2:47:08] discussion. So thank you

[2:47:11] >> council member Hernandez. I just want to to say like council member supple the

[2:47:17] information that we got from Isiqua last

[2:47:19] time was take it or leave it and I'm

[2:47:21] glad that they're just like okay well

[2:47:23] maybe we'll work out.

[2:47:25] >> Yeah.

[2:47:26] >> So I'm very happy to see that.

[2:47:28] >> Yeah. I think it was a little different.

[2:47:29] So we started asking them for

[2:47:31] [clears throat] data um that we don't

[2:47:33] normally ask for. So I suspect they

[2:47:36] understood that maybe we were going to

[2:47:38] shove a little bit. Anyone else? All

[2:47:43] right. Well, thank you very much. Uh,

[2:47:44] and next up we have our second

[2:47:46] presentation, Oldfound Zoning District

[2:47:48] Considerations with Director Batty.

[2:47:51] >> Uh, good evening, Mayor Council and

[2:47:52] members of the public.

[2:47:54] Um, believe this is what you've all been

[2:47:57] waiting for. Um, we have a

[2:48:02] PowerPoint presentation. So, this is um

[2:48:05] under the umbrella of the title 14

[2:48:08] zoning code amendment um to to meet our settlement agreement with um King

[2:48:17] County and the state. Um this specific

[2:48:21] discussion tonight, it will talk about

[2:48:24] considerations for the Oldtown Zoning

[2:48:26] District. So, if you go to the next

[2:48:28] slide, please.

[2:48:31] Um so just to just to

[2:48:36] remind everybody part of the

[2:48:38] calculations for capacity

[2:48:41] um involved a lot of math hence having

[2:48:45] the city engineer with us this evening.

[2:48:48] Um when we talk about capacity

[2:48:51] I I found the best way to think about it

[2:48:54] is each property is like a passenger

[2:48:58] van. You're limited by whatever the

[2:49:02] setbacks are and the heights are.

[2:49:04] There's physical constraints to the size

[2:49:06] of a building on a property. And so when

[2:49:10] we talk about capacity for residential

[2:49:13] density, it's how many seats can you fit

[2:49:16] within that passenger van. And so our

[2:49:19] calculations um had to have a number in

[2:49:24] order to do math. Um, but that's not the number that has to be zoned in just

[2:49:32] to show that there is space in that van.

[2:49:35] So,

[2:49:37] um, you can have a passenger van where

[2:49:40] you might be able to squeeze in like 20

[2:49:42] airplane style like

[2:49:46] sardine seats or you could have four

[2:49:49] super cush squishy captain chairs. It's

[2:49:54] the same passenger van. So, as long as

[2:49:57] the capacity shows that someone can

[2:49:59] squeeze in those 20 airplane seats

[2:50:02] versus the big captain cares, that's the math that we have to show um as part

[2:50:09] of uh of the appeal. So when we when we

[2:50:15] went back to you know make sure that we

[2:50:18] were reflecting within the zoning

[2:50:20] regulations

[2:50:22] the math that

[2:50:25] making sure the zoning regulations

[2:50:27] weren't preventing that capacity without

[2:50:30] having to necessarily require that

[2:50:32] capacity. So the capacity can be there.

[2:50:35] You can have bookends on it with a

[2:50:37] density minimum and a density maximum.

[2:50:40] if you don't have those bookends, that

[2:50:42] doesn't change the capacity that that

[2:50:45] passenger van is what it is. Um, so

[2:50:49] that's how we uh went back to to look at

[2:50:52] Oldtown. We know there's um concerns

[2:50:55] about impacts to the the heart of Duval.

[2:50:58] Um

[2:51:00] we we we appreciate uh the desire to to

[2:51:04] preserve it, to protect it. It is it's the heart it's the heart of the

[2:51:08] city and staff also loves it. We don't

[2:51:11] want to see it ruined. Um next slide

[2:51:14] please.

[2:51:15] So with that in mind, um this is um this

[2:51:21] table kind of shows what has been

[2:51:23] drafted based on

[2:51:27] works uh that the consultants had done

[2:51:30] and presented to staff and that we had

[2:51:31] looked at um but we didn't quite

[2:51:34] understand

[2:51:35] the density number. So everyone can see

[2:51:39] this. I tried to color code it so it' be

[2:51:40] easier to digest. So, under minimum

[2:51:43] densities, the current draft that's been

[2:51:46] um attached to council agendas have uh

[2:51:50] minimum densities and for Oldtown has a

[2:51:53] 17 dwelling unit per acre minimum

[2:51:55] density. We don't need that to meet our

[2:52:00] capacity requirements. We don't need

[2:52:01] that book end. So, the yellow um sorry

[2:52:06] for the color confusion. So, under where

[2:52:08] it says none, we don't we can propose

[2:52:11] none if the council so chooses to

[2:52:13] provide that direction. Um, and we

[2:52:16] wouldn't be out of compliance. The the

[2:52:19] map still math. We're not changing the

[2:52:22] size of that that passenger van. Um,

[2:52:25] additionally, so what what can change

[2:52:27] the size of the of the passenger van are

[2:52:29] height limits. Um, but we don't Oldtown

[2:52:33] is such a small geographic region of the

[2:52:36] city that we don't need to increase

[2:52:39] height in order to to meet the capacity

[2:52:41] requirements. So the height right now is

[2:52:43] 35 ft and so staff is is presenting that

[2:52:49] perhaps we just keep it at 35 ft and

[2:52:51] we'll still be in compliance.

[2:52:54] um staff would like city council to

[2:52:56] consider slightly higher for Midtown and

[2:52:59] Uptown and the commercial zoning

[2:53:01] districts. Um these help support because

[2:53:04] these zoning districts are required to

[2:53:06] have commercial space on the ground

[2:53:08] floor and when you have mixeduse

[2:53:10] developments.

[2:53:13] The challenge with mixeduse development

[2:53:14] is a lot of times it's a residential

[2:53:16] developer who's proposing the project

[2:53:18] and they're used to building just

[2:53:20] residential buildings and so they don't

[2:53:23] really give much consideration to the

[2:53:24] commercial component. Not all, but

[2:53:28] often. Which is why there are um if

[2:53:32] you've seen older mixeduse developments

[2:53:34] in other cities, a lot of times that

[2:53:36] ground floor space stays vacant for a

[2:53:38] really long time. And that's generally

[2:53:41] because the height uh the ceiling height

[2:53:44] of that tenant space of those central

[2:53:46] and commercial tenant spaces are too low

[2:53:48] and businesses can't fit in what they

[2:53:51] need. like if you want to have a coffee

[2:53:52] shop or a restaurant, you have to put in

[2:53:54] like plumbing and and um mechanical

[2:53:56] equipment and you physically don't have

[2:53:58] the space. So, um so newer developments,

[2:54:03] cities have learned you need to require

[2:54:05] a greater height for that ground floor

[2:54:08] and this allows those commercial tenant

[2:54:10] spaces to be less vacant because they

[2:54:13] allow more commercial uses in them. Um,

[2:54:17] so that's why we are proposing uh like a

[2:54:21] slight uptick just to help make those

[2:54:23] spaces be viable. Um, because we in

[2:54:28] speaking with businesses like there's

[2:54:29] demand uh to to grow. There are places

[2:54:32] that want to incubate. So we're we don't

[2:54:35] want to to stifle those and we want to

[2:54:36] help local businesses expand into new

[2:54:39] spaces where um they continue being an

[2:54:43] asset to the community. So,

[2:54:46] um,

[2:54:48] if council has any initial thoughts

[2:54:52] on Oldtown,

[2:54:55] um,

[2:54:57] if you want to just noodles for the

[2:54:59] moment, I can go to the next slide. So,

[2:55:01] the next slide

[2:55:05] » and and I don't want to throw off your

[2:55:06] rhythm,

[2:55:07] >> but while you're on the slide, just sort

[2:55:09] of two two questions for you. Um, one

[2:55:12] is,

[2:55:14] you know, setting aside Oldtown, you've

[2:55:16] got sort of the three others. Um, there

[2:55:19] was some concern raised beyond Oldtown,

[2:55:20] which is really just along the 203

[2:55:22] corridor behind 203

[2:55:25] >> that there was also impacting sight

[2:55:27] lines. So, there's a sort of a question

[2:55:29] of like how much could you apply the the

[2:55:31] no change to before we out of

[2:55:33] compliance. So, that was sort of

[2:55:34] question number one is like how much

[2:55:36] play is there in here? Uh the other one

[2:55:39] was really more around how we within our

[2:55:43] code

[2:55:44] uh if we did increase the height can we

[2:55:47] allocate that specifically to commercial

[2:55:49] versus residential. So that wasn't

[2:55:52] broken out here in the slide and I

[2:55:53] wanted to clarify that for the room if

[2:55:55] there's a way that we could increase

[2:55:56] that height but but it could only be

[2:55:58] applied to the commercial space not the

[2:56:00] overall if we were going to increase

[2:56:01] building space because you know as as is

[2:56:03] often raised builders will find a way to

[2:56:05] maximize the the most profitable section

[2:56:08] of the building and and so we want to to

[2:56:10] shortcut that. So did those two

[2:56:12] questions make sense?

[2:56:13] >> Yes.

[2:56:17] Can I tag in? Do you do I'm I'm seeing

[2:56:20] if I can tag in a city engineer who

[2:56:22] knows numbers better than I do.

[2:56:25] >> Yes. So the one thing the Banglers run

[2:56:28] out of public works um the one thing I

[2:56:30] can mention is that our capacity

[2:56:32] analysis does not look at building

[2:56:34] height in order to factor capacity. It's

[2:56:38] a straight plan view. This is a this is

[2:56:41] a net developable area and this is a

[2:56:45] associated dwelling unit per acre that

[2:56:48] we used and our current code for u

[2:56:52] Midtown, Oldtown, Uptown and commercial

[2:56:55] do not have minimum or maximum

[2:56:59] residential

[2:57:00] um densities and that's because there's

[2:57:03] no residential requirement in those

[2:57:06] mixed use spaces. But in order to find

[2:57:10] capacity and calculate those um

[2:57:13] developable either vacant or

[2:57:14] redevelopable lots, you need to look at

[2:57:17] historical projects that have come in.

[2:57:20] Um you need to look at uh current uses

[2:57:22] um and other uh jurisdictions and um

[2:57:26] kind of best practices for those zoning

[2:57:28] type designations in order to assign a

[2:57:31] dwelling unit unit per acre to map the

[2:57:34] map. So, we're proposing that there are

[2:57:39] no changes to minimum or maximum

[2:57:41] densities as they currently exist today

[2:57:44] in code. And um as uh director Batty had

[2:57:49] mentioned, looking at some of the other

[2:57:51] mixeduse zoning designations, um having

[2:57:54] height, you can tell what just about by

[2:57:56] the way,

[2:57:56] >> okay?

[2:57:57] >> But adding height, um respecting um the

[2:58:00] input that we have heard from the

[2:58:01] community as far as the Oldtown core and

[2:58:04] the the corridor along Main Street. um

[2:58:07] not changing the height limit in

[2:58:10] Oldtown, keeping it at what it exists

[2:58:12] today as 35 and not making that change,

[2:58:15] but also respecting that um some of the

[2:58:19] mixed use development potential um in

[2:58:23] other zones is uh more easily

[2:58:26] accommodated with viable commercial

[2:58:28] tenant space. And so those increases are

[2:58:31] reflected in what we talked about pre

[2:58:34] earlier tonight with um the design

[2:58:36] standards that are changing from

[2:58:38] standard or from guidelines to

[2:58:40] standards. And one of the things that

[2:58:42] we're updating in that is the required

[2:58:45] height for commercial space. So that's

[2:58:47] where you would have that nexus in a

[2:58:50] development in a in a design standard.

[2:58:53] zoning code only has development

[2:58:56] standards and those are setbacks,

[2:58:58] building heights, um densities, um and

[2:59:00] those types of things. So, it's it's

[2:59:02] just a different um chapter from code.

[2:59:06] >> Thank you.

[2:59:07] >> Great.

[2:59:08] >> Um [clears throat] so, next slide. So,

[2:59:10] we we pulled out um so this is for old

[2:59:14] town zoning districts specifically.

[2:59:17] What are all the existing development

[2:59:19] standards? um and these control the

[2:59:22] buildable envelope the size of that

[2:59:25] passenger van um versus what's currently

[2:59:28] proposed. So if um in changing

[2:59:34] the draft, sorry, we're talking about

[2:59:36] versioning. So with the draft, if we go back to having just a 35 foot height

[2:59:41] limit, not having a density maximum or

[2:59:43] minimum, the only thing we'd be looking

[2:59:44] to change is minimum lot size. Um,

[2:59:49] we feel that in order to have

[2:59:51] flexibility,

[2:59:53] um, which can help with the preservation

[2:59:55] of the building, if someone needs to do

[2:59:56] financing of some sort,

[3:00:00] we don't need that. Um, so just giving a

[3:00:03] little bit more flexibility to these

[3:00:05] standards to to help preserve the the

[3:00:07] buildings that we

[3:00:10] >> uh, council member supple. So, I'm a

[3:00:12] little confused on the minimum lot size

[3:00:14] of zero square ft.

[3:00:17] >> It would it would be not applicable.

[3:00:28] » Uh, Council Member Wiggins.

[3:00:31] >> Uh, yes, Director Batty. I had the same

[3:00:33] question. So, I'm a developer. I'm

[3:00:35] heading into Oldtown and I see a minimum

[3:00:37] lot size of zero. Tell me what that

[3:00:41] means to me as a developer and what I

[3:00:42] can and possibly can't do, please.

[3:00:46] >> So, this would be if someone wanted to

[3:00:48] subdivide um a property, there wouldn't

[3:00:52] be any minimum um to the two lots that

[3:00:55] you would be creating. And so sometimes

[3:00:58] people are looking to um if if these

[3:01:02] lots are very small in Oldtown. a lot of

[3:01:04] them um or some of them are only 25 ft

[3:01:07] wide. It was from the original lot

[3:01:09] pattern of Duval. Um so if you have a

[3:01:13] building that's built out most of the

[3:01:14] front and it's only 25 ft wide and

[3:01:17] you're like you know I have someone who

[3:01:18] wants to purchase

[3:01:20] like the back half of my lot. I don't

[3:01:23] need it. I don't want it. Um I've got my

[3:01:25] building but I need some revenue or you

[3:01:28] know in order to to maintain my building

[3:01:30] being able to sell off part of it. So

[3:01:33] there could be a number if council wants

[3:01:34] a number. There could be a number there.

[3:01:36] Um but that would just you know allow

[3:01:39] someone to to um have one less restraint

[3:01:43] with their property.

[3:01:44] >> Yeah. More so more flexibility to

[3:01:46] businesses along Main Street to to do

[3:01:49] more with their property line.

[3:01:51] >> Yeah.

[3:01:52] >> And generate generate income possibly

[3:01:54] for themselves and for a new business

[3:01:56] coming in. Is that right? Thank you.

[3:02:04] Uh, next slide please.

[3:02:09] So there was also so when we dove into

[3:02:12] this analysis, we then looked at the

[3:02:14] residential zoning districts as well.

[3:02:16] Um, there were numbers that were done

[3:02:20] for the density calculations because you

[3:02:22] need a number um, as explained by the

[3:02:24] city engineer. And so when these numbers

[3:02:28] were first when this these standards

[3:02:30] were first drafted up, um

[3:02:35] we're human. We did not notice the some

[3:02:38] of these discrepancies. Um we had a lot

[3:02:41] on our plate, but we still want to make

[3:02:42] it right. So, so going back and looking

[3:02:45] at this, these numbers are different

[3:02:49] from what has been in circulation as the

[3:02:53] draft. Having colored for all the

[3:02:56] different things just made it messy. I

[3:02:57] didn't want to inflict that brain damage

[3:02:59] on everybody. Um, so these numbers,

[3:03:03] because this whole chapter is proposed

[3:03:05] anyways, reflect the zoning districts.

[3:03:08] they reflect the minimums and maximums

[3:03:11] um as intended by those districts. We

[3:03:14] double triple checked with the Burke

[3:03:16] memo that's been referenced from the

[3:03:18] laying capacity analysis. So if council

[3:03:22] um feels so inclined, we can move

[3:03:25] forward with these numbers within the

[3:03:28] draft and we have verified that our cap

[3:03:32] we are still within compliance with the capacity calculation. Any

[3:03:40] questions about these?

[3:03:43] >> Okay,

[3:03:45] this concludes my presentation.

[3:03:47] >> All right. Any Oh, go ahead, city

[3:03:49] administrator McDow.

[3:03:50] >> And I would say um you don't have to

[3:03:53] decide right now,

[3:03:54] >> right?

[3:03:55] >> Um we just wanted to give council the

[3:03:57] information. Um this will come back uh

[3:04:02] again in September for both of September

[3:04:04] 1st, September 15th. So, you know, if

[3:04:06] you need a little time to give uh

[3:04:08] director Batty direction, um you know,

[3:04:10] take the time. We don't have to decide

[3:04:12] this minute. Um but the sooner you all

[3:04:15] can provide direction by emailing

[3:04:17] Director Batty and I, the faster we can

[3:04:20] draft a new edited version uh for your

[3:04:23] consideration on the 1st through the

[3:04:25] 15th.

[3:04:26] >> Council member Olen,

[3:04:29] >> thank you. First, I I just I want to

[3:04:31] take a moment to thank the community for

[3:04:35] speaking up and speaking up in a way

[3:04:38] that was was

[3:04:40] polite, you know, and and positive and

[3:04:42] respectful. Um, I think it's really

[3:04:44] important to come together that way and speak your mind. And I also want to

[3:04:47] take a moment to thank staff for

[3:04:50] listening and finding ways to try to

[3:04:52] incorporate that feedback. I know this

[3:04:54] is a work in progress. It's a living

[3:04:56] document and maybe this is or is not

[3:04:57] perfect so far. Um, but it seems like so

[3:05:01] far, you know, uh, there have been a lot

[3:05:03] of requests to do what we can to

[3:05:06] maintain Oldtown. And it seems like this

[3:05:08] document suggests that we're going to

[3:05:11] maintain Oldtown as as it was. Um, and I think that that's great evidence

[3:05:17] of of how dialogue can work. And so I

[3:05:20] just want to thank everybody for their

[3:05:21] participation in that process. Um, I'm

[3:05:24] excited to see that, too.

[3:05:27] One one question I have I the two

[3:05:30] concerns I had coming into this were and

[3:05:33] the first seems smooth, but I just I I

[3:05:35] want to make sure that that's true. Um I

[3:05:37] was concerned that if we did reduce

[3:05:41] height in from the from the zoning

[3:05:44] drawings for uh for Oldtown that we

[3:05:46] would have to increase height elsewhere

[3:05:48] to expand that capacity. It sounds like

[3:05:51] with these these current this current

[3:05:53] draft of plans that's not necessarily

[3:05:56] the case that it's it's properly

[3:05:57] accommodated as such. Is that accurate?

[3:06:01] >> Okay, cool. Good. I'm glad to hear that.

[3:06:03] And then my my second question was

[3:06:05] actually should I pause and go around

[3:06:06] the room? Are there other questions

[3:06:08] first?

[3:06:09] >> I mean I think you're Oh, did you want

[3:06:11] to go ahead?

[3:06:11] >> I I just sort of had one question. Um, I

[3:06:14] don't know who this is oriented toward,

[3:06:16] but I know one of the things we were a

[3:06:18] little forward thinking in terms of

[3:06:20] around some creating space for middle

[3:06:22] housing specifically because we we

[3:06:25] didn't have some requirements, but we

[3:06:26] were also trying to accommodate the lack

[3:06:28] of diversity of housing and specifically

[3:06:31] around, you know, whether you're a

[3:06:33] senior or you're a new, you know, it was

[3:06:35] a a space that more appropriately

[3:06:37] accommodated some of the 80% AMI and

[3:06:40] other things we're looking for. Do any

[3:06:42] of these changes impact the middle

[3:06:44] housing piece? That was my only Okay,

[3:06:46] thank you. That's all I need.

[3:06:49] >> Other questions or comments? Council

[3:06:50] member Hernandez.

[3:06:52] >> I just want to say that I'm really happy

[3:06:53] with what I'm seeing here. uh as we have

[3:06:57] all as as city administrator McNab and

[3:06:59] director B know I've been talking back

[3:07:01] and forth about uh historical

[3:07:03] preservation and ideas including

[3:07:05] historic overlays mandatory historical

[3:07:08] reviews and I'm just really kind of

[3:07:10] liking that our solution is well we can

[3:07:12] take the square the square footage down

[3:07:14] to zero to say so I'm very happy with

[3:07:16] this uh I think that we could still talk

[3:07:18] about the overlay eventually but it's no

[3:07:21] longer nearly as urgent as I as as I was

[3:07:23] thinking it would

[3:07:25] All right, back to Council Member Olen.

[3:07:28] >> Thank you. So, the the one other concern

[3:07:30] I have and and this is this is

[3:07:35] >> well, I guess I just want to give a

[3:07:36] voice and and I really hope this isn't

[3:07:38] received is is contrary to the progress

[3:07:40] that that we just made with this

[3:07:42] document because I do want to preserve

[3:07:43] Oldtown as best we can. Um, and and

[3:07:46] maybe maybe it's best for an economist

[3:07:47] to answer this question and and and none

[3:07:49] of us are qualified to do that. But so the concern I want to get the concern

[3:07:54] that I want to give voice to that I

[3:07:56] don't know the answer to is is that if

[3:07:59] we if we expand residential density on

[3:08:04] the south side of town

[3:08:06] and especially if that's mixeduse

[3:08:08] development, right? So we have increased

[3:08:10] residential density and we have

[3:08:12] businesses going in on the south side of

[3:08:14] town. The concern is that that stifles

[3:08:20] potentially business around Oldtown,

[3:08:23] right? More and more businesses get

[3:08:24] built and more and more residences get

[3:08:26] built on the south side of town and

[3:08:30] a lot of the rest a lot of the

[3:08:32] businesses from what I understand are

[3:08:33] somewhat already struggling around

[3:08:35] Oldtown. And and that's my concern. I

[3:08:38] don't I don't want to change the face of

[3:08:39] Oldtown. Don't. But I do worry about if

[3:08:42] we do move all this down south,

[3:08:45] what happens to Oldtown? Do we do does

[3:08:47] it turn it into a ghost town? How much

[3:08:49] has to get built south before it

[3:08:52] actually does hurt Oldtown as it is

[3:08:54] today? Does anybody in the room know

[3:08:56] that? Is that something we should be

[3:08:58] thinking about? Um, or is it really a

[3:09:00] non-issue as far as we can tell?

[3:09:03] >> How about city administrator McDow?

[3:09:06] >> I am not an economist. I um went to law

[3:09:10] school to avoid math. Um, but I will say

[3:09:13] one of the things that we want to look

[3:09:16] at and figure out a way to invest in,

[3:09:20] and this is a future project because

[3:09:22] it's pretty expensive, but we really

[3:09:24] should be looking at the thought

[3:09:25] improvements and figuring out a way to

[3:09:29] improve the look and structure of our

[3:09:32] old town. So it remains invoking. It

[3:09:36] looks like a tourism economy without,

[3:09:38] you know, blowing it up north. Um, but

[3:09:42] really investing in Oldtown

[3:09:44] simultaneously while allowing growth in

[3:09:47] our south end because I think they're

[3:09:49] probably two different districts, but

[3:09:50] they can both function compatibly if we

[3:09:53] invest in some of the upgrades that our

[3:09:56] older um buildings here in Old.

[3:09:59] >> Yeah.

[3:10:01] Mayor Pummer,

[3:10:01] >> I sort of add just one sort of pile on

[3:10:05] to to council member Olen's comment as

[3:10:07] well as the city administrators. You

[3:10:09] know, I think I I also want to

[3:10:10] acknowledge I mean I want to thank staff

[3:10:11] at work. I know this is sort of a long

[3:10:13] project. The other part, you know, is

[3:10:15] just to to acknowledge from a council

[3:10:17] perspective, we would much rather be

[3:10:19] working on other things other than plan.

[3:10:22] And so I mean to highlight that and and

[3:10:24] so one of the things you talked about in

[3:10:25] terms of the economic development, the

[3:10:28] facade improvement, you know, how we

[3:10:29] work with the chamber in terms of

[3:10:31] potential grant opportunities, other

[3:10:32] things to build a district to build a uh

[3:10:36] you know, something that will be a draw

[3:10:37] for the valley. You know, we've talked

[3:10:39] about this for years. Um and and this is

[3:10:42] actually occupying a lot of that time.

[3:10:43] So, I'm not saying we want to fast track

[3:10:45] or anything to get through this, but but

[3:10:47] the hope is that end of the year when we

[3:10:49] can get through the appeals process and finalize that, we can actually focus

[3:10:53] on those other other things. And and

[3:10:55] director Vy, uh, in terms of since you

[3:10:57] wear two hats, you know, you can focus a

[3:10:59] little more on the economic development

[3:11:01] as well as versus sort of the plan

[3:11:03] piece. That looks

[3:11:05] >> Mayor Pam that reminded me of something

[3:11:06] in our governor's government relations

[3:11:10] meeting is I might have let them know

[3:11:12] that there are things that don't

[3:11:13] originate in Olympia that we would like

[3:11:15] to do here. So, we would like to move on

[3:11:17] to some other things. Um, and just any

[3:11:20] other council member comments,

[3:11:22] questions?

[3:11:23] Um, I just want to, you know, I want to

[3:11:25] thank everyone who showed up tonight.

[3:11:26] I'll hold you to this. I'd like to see

[3:11:28] more faces more often. Please come more

[3:11:30] frequently. Um, but also to our staff,

[3:11:33] especially Director Batty, uh, your name

[3:11:35] shows up on this agenda a lot. I know

[3:11:37] it's a huge workload right now, and I

[3:11:38] want to acknowledge that. Um, and, uh,

[3:11:41] deputy or city engineer Grandell for all

[3:11:43] of your, I never know what title D is,

[3:11:45] but like for all your work and of course

[3:11:47] our city administrator. This has not

[3:11:49] been an easy road at all. It's a lot of

[3:11:51] work. We're not done yet. Um, but we're

[3:11:53] getting there and we have a lot of other

[3:11:55] simultaneous things we're working on.

[3:11:57] So, I just really appreciate all of your

[3:11:58] efforts. Oh, Council Member Wiggins, go

[3:12:01] ahead.

[3:12:02] >> Yes. Um, thank you. I also want to just

[3:12:05] uh extend my thanks to I see a lot of

[3:12:07] people in the background. I apologize I

[3:12:08] can't be there. I'm down in California,

[3:12:09] but I just want to extend my thanks to

[3:12:11] all the residents of Duval who took the

[3:12:12] time to come down and attend tonight's

[3:12:14] meeting and and speak before council and

[3:12:17] the mayor and the city staff. Uh, public

[3:12:19] speaking can be daunting and and I

[3:12:21] commend everyone who stepped forward to

[3:12:23] share their perspective tonight. And I

[3:12:25] also want to acknowledge that u there's

[3:12:27] quite a few written comments that came

[3:12:28] into the city clerk's office. Um I know

[3:12:32] that I've received those as rest of the

[3:12:33] other council members and I've read each

[3:12:34] of your emails carefully. Um your

[3:12:36] passion for preserving Deval's small

[3:12:38] town charm, rustic character, the

[3:12:41] historic downtown. It's unmistakable

[3:12:44] and safeguarding the historic look and

[3:12:45] feel of our city is why I ran for city

[3:12:47] council. And I appreciate the

[3:12:49] community's strong engagement on this

[3:12:50] issue. So thank you. appreciate and the

[3:12:52] staff's time of course pulling uh this

[3:12:54] information together for tonight's uh

[3:12:56] discussion. So, thank you.

[3:12:59] >> All right. So, that I think it's safe to

[3:13:02] move on to our public hearing we have

[3:13:04] scheduled for tonight.

[3:13:06] Um clerk, could you remind me do I open

[3:13:08] it before I read all of the

[3:13:10] >> I uh read the instructions first and

[3:13:13] then

[3:13:13] >> and then open it. Okay. Thank you so

[3:13:14] much. So, our one public hearing on the

[3:13:16] agenda tonight is proposed amendments to

[3:13:18] DMC 14.50 50 on sign. Um, and this will

[3:13:23] be with Director Batty. Um, and I'll go

[3:13:26] ahead and read

[3:13:28] a little blurb here before I open it.

[3:13:31] So, in adherence to the regulations

[3:13:33] outlined for public hearings before the

[3:13:34] Duval City Council, chapter 10 of the

[3:13:36] City Council procedures, any individual

[3:13:39] seeking to address the council during

[3:13:40] the designated public comment segment

[3:13:42] must comply with the following

[3:13:43] procedures. First, sign in on the

[3:13:45] prioritated form, which I have now

[3:13:47] specific to the public hearing. and

[3:13:48] second, thoroughly complete all

[3:13:50] pertinent sections of the said form.

[3:13:52] Upon the commencement of the hearing, as

[3:13:53] announced by the chair, typically the

[3:13:55] mayor, the city clerk will present the

[3:13:56] sign-in sheet to the chair.

[3:13:58] Subsequently, the chair will proceed

[3:14:00] with the agenda for the public hearing.

[3:14:01] Each speaker will be summoned to the

[3:14:03] podium in the order listed on the

[3:14:04] sign-in form and must state their name

[3:14:06] and if relevant, their address,

[3:14:07] affiliation with any group,

[3:14:09] organization, or group being

[3:14:10] represented, and their corresponding

[3:14:12] role or position within that

[3:14:14] organization. Time limits for speaking

[3:14:16] engagements are three minutes for

[3:14:17] individuals speaking on their own behalf

[3:14:19] and five minutes for those representing

[3:14:20] a group or organization unless otherwise

[3:14:23] determined by a majority vote of the

[3:14:24] council present. The city clerk will

[3:14:26] monitor and enforce these time limits,

[3:14:28] setting a timer for each speaker to

[3:14:30] ensure adherence. Comments should be

[3:14:31] pertinent to the subject matter of the

[3:14:33] public hearing and respectfully

[3:14:35] addressed to the city council. Personal

[3:14:37] remarks are deemed inappropriate.

[3:14:38] Disorderly conduct, including disruptive

[3:14:40] behaviors such as cheering, applause,

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[3:14:44] tolerated and may result in removal from

[3:14:46] the premises. Speakers may alternatively

[3:14:48] submit written com statements which will

[3:14:50] be added to the official record by the

[3:14:52] city clerk. Questions posed during the

[3:14:54] hearing will not be answered

[3:14:55] immediately. They may be addressed at

[3:14:56] the chair's discretion after the comment

[3:14:58] period closes. Copies of city council

[3:15:01] and public hearing procedures will be

[3:15:02] available upon request to attendees at

[3:15:04] the outset of each public hearing

[3:15:06] session conducted by the Duval city

[3:15:08] council. And with that, I will open the

[3:15:10] public hearing on proposed amendments to

[3:15:12] DMC 14.50 on signs at 8:46.

[3:15:16] >> I will turn it over to Director Batty.

[3:15:21] » Good evening.

[3:15:26] Um so the public hearing for our sign

[3:15:30] code um I'm sure you're all uh

[3:15:36] remember all the details of the things

[3:15:38] we talked about in in previous

[3:15:40] discussion of that council kind of solve

[3:15:42] time. There we go. Yay. Um so so

[3:15:45] background this is just for um temporary

[3:15:49] sign updates um as there are numerous

[3:15:52] court cases that speak to signs being

[3:15:54] content neutral. Um also our sign our

[3:15:58] temporary sign regulations were a little

[3:16:00] confusing. So we wanted to clean that up

[3:16:01] and we wanted to have standards that are

[3:16:03] consistent. Um next slide please. So

[3:16:07] these key changes, um, instead of having

[3:16:10] categories of political signs and real

[3:16:12] estate signs because that requires you

[3:16:14] knowing what sign says in order to

[3:16:16] regulate it, we got rid of those

[3:16:18] categories and now it's based on form

[3:16:21] instead of what's in it. Um,

[3:16:25] and in addition with that, we had to

[3:16:27] modify the regulations as well as the

[3:16:28] definitions that correspond with those.

[3:16:30] Um and this provided some streamlining

[3:16:34] um of these temporary sign regulations

[3:16:36] and murals got moved to their own

[3:16:38] special section. They should be they are

[3:16:40] not temporary sign. Next please.

[3:16:43] >> So what was not included were categories

[3:16:46] of permanent signs. Um so those are all

[3:16:49] saying the same for now. I'm hoping in

[3:16:51] future soon work plan that council would

[3:16:54] be willing to have staff work on those

[3:16:57] sections of code. Um so all the

[3:17:01] regulations regarding permanent signs

[3:17:02] untouched per next slide please. Um we

[3:17:07] did have a couple of sign code

[3:17:08] workshops. One focused more on the

[3:17:10] banner signs the community banner signs

[3:17:12] that are generally of interest to

[3:17:13] nonprofits and community groups. Um

[3:17:17] generally they're supportive of uh the draft changes that were being

[3:17:21] proposed. And then on July 7th, we had

[3:17:24] one that was focused more on um smaller

[3:17:28] and medium-sized um signs that get

[3:17:30] posted generally either in the public

[3:17:32] ride of way or may or may not be posted

[3:17:35] as part of um a real estate sale. So

[3:17:39] there was a discussion um at that

[3:17:41] workshop where there were um requests to

[3:17:45] increase the number of aboard signs,

[3:17:47] greater density of the state signs that

[3:17:49] are in the right of way um reducing

[3:17:51] setbacks and and having real estate

[3:17:54] signs placed in other places. There was

[3:17:56] discussion of I can't regulate a sign as

[3:17:59] a real estate sign. I can only say

[3:18:02] where something is, how big it is, um

[3:18:06] how long it could be there for. That's

[3:18:08] the only thing that the city has the

[3:18:09] right to control. Um, next slide,

[3:18:12] please. So, planning commission had

[3:18:15] their uh public hearing last week. Um,

[3:18:19] they

[3:18:21] there was um a letter submitted by the

[3:18:24] King County Realators Association.

[3:18:28] I don't correct. Okay. Thank you. Um and

[3:18:32] they had requested in a letter to um

[3:18:37] increase the number of Abor signs um and

[3:18:41] to reduce the separation between the

[3:18:44] small metal state signs. Um those are

[3:18:47] the ones that are in the park strips

[3:18:48] between sign off and the curb. Um and to

[3:18:52] modify the um generally it's those post

[3:18:56] and arm traditional real estate type

[3:18:59] sign to go from 5T from the property

[3:19:02] line to 3 ft from the property front

[3:19:04] property line. Um staff agreed that

[3:19:07] modifying the front step back to 3 ft

[3:19:09] would not have a big visual impact with

[3:19:12] uh along the rideway. However, the

[3:19:15] reduction um in the separation for those

[3:19:18] small signs would be a 67% increase. So,

[3:19:22] if you had a 100 foot rideway, the 5ft

[3:19:25] separation means you'd have 20 of those

[3:19:27] signs. If you only had three feet

[3:19:29] separation, you would end up with 67. Um

[3:19:33] and the discussion was that would result

[3:19:36] in visual blight. And so, uh planning

[3:19:38] commission did not recommend that as

[3:19:40] part of the amendments. Um there was a

[3:19:43] discussion about increasing the number

[3:19:44] of aboard signs and when the discussion

[3:19:47] then went to the specifics of where

[3:19:50] would those be placed would are you

[3:19:52] referring to changing um along the front

[3:19:56] end versus anywhere after some

[3:19:58] discussion. The motion to include that

[3:20:01] was dropped from by the planning

[3:20:03] commission. So the recommendation only

[3:20:06] then included the modification for the

[3:20:08] front setback reduction. Um so that is

[3:20:11] now uh before you this evening and

[3:20:18] that's the end of staff projation.

[3:20:21] >> Thank you. So I'm going down my list.

[3:20:24] First person I see signed up for the

[3:20:25] public hearing is Randy Banaker.

[3:20:30] Just want to approach the podium

[3:20:32] assuming you're speaking on behalf of

[3:20:33] your organization. Correct. Thank you.

[3:20:35] >> Yes. Thanks, Mayor uh Ray, and I'm here

[3:20:38] on behalf of the Seattle King County

[3:20:40] Realtors. Appreciate your time. I' I've

[3:20:42] been before you several times during the

[3:20:44] sign code update process. I appreciate

[3:20:47] uh your listening. I know you want to

[3:20:48] wrap this up. Um we are really

[3:20:51] concerned. I got to tell you, the code

[3:20:53] is drafted. It allows one openhouse sign

[3:20:57] that will make it the most restrictive

[3:20:59] openhouse code in Central Ped. Open

[3:21:03] house signs are used to establish

[3:21:06] wayfinding, a trail if you will, to

[3:21:09] point someone to the house that's open.

[3:21:12] And these open houses typically occur on

[3:21:14] a Sunday afternoon from 1 to 4:00 p.m. U

[3:21:18] those open house signs are are placed in

[3:21:19] the rightway.

[3:21:21] Our members pick them up because they

[3:21:23] cost about $100 a sign. So there's very

[3:21:26] much an incentive to take care of those

[3:21:27] signs. Uh we are we our position is we

[3:21:33] did not engage in the dispersion between

[3:21:36] the state aeros signs. That's not our

[3:21:38] position. I'm going to leave you with a

[3:21:40] letter I'd like to enter into the record

[3:21:42] that Michaela G sent to you and we also

[3:21:45] shared with the planning commission. Um

[3:21:47] but again the openhouse aboard signs are

[3:21:50] a big deal. Uh I my my interpretation of

[3:21:53] the planning commission discussion was

[3:21:56] uh confusion about where the the the the

[3:21:59] code is drafted landed and I believe the

[3:22:02] maker of the motion assumed that we were

[3:22:04] covered for those five signs.

[3:22:07] Um so I tonight respectfully request

[3:22:11] that you amend the code to enable uh

[3:22:15] those five signs and do it very

[3:22:17] surgically in your sign code table. And

[3:22:20] I'll leave you with this. I just did a

[3:22:22] little markup that currently as drafted

[3:22:26] uh you are allowed an aboard one per

[3:22:29] frontage and one offsite for properties

[3:22:33] up for sale or lease or under

[3:22:35] construction in certain zones in the

[3:22:37] MU12, the R4, the R4.5, the R six, the

[3:22:41] R8, the R12, the R20, and the RV zones.

[3:22:45] I just ask that you change that second

[3:22:47] part from one sign to four signs and

[3:22:52] allow them to be placed in the right

[3:22:54] way. Uh it's consistent with the the

[3:22:56] intent uh of the of the table as the

[3:22:59] matrix is drafted and it will resolve

[3:23:03] our problem. Um, I think as drafted, we

[3:23:06] will be coming back to you uh because

[3:23:08] it's it's just not super functional. And

[3:23:11] I I I'm telling you, our members really

[3:23:13] want to comply with the law. And I think

[3:23:16] it's going to be challenging for folks

[3:23:17] who aren't aware of the code and just

[3:23:19] assume like almost every other

[3:23:22] jurisdiction, King County, Snowish, and

[3:23:24] Pierce County that they'll be able to uh post more than one open house site if

[3:23:29] they're taking on open. I know you want

[3:23:32] to get this off your plates, but I just

[3:23:34] ask you to do the do the right sizing

[3:23:36] now. And and again, I appreciate your

[3:23:39] willingness to let us be part of the

[3:23:41] process. I'm going to uh leave the clerk

[3:23:44] with our letter, ask that we add to the

[3:23:46] record, and then I've got uh handouts on

[3:23:49] just this this simple markup on your u code matrix and the and the code

[3:23:55] is drafted. Thank you.

[3:23:57] >> Great. Thank you. Next, let's see.

[3:24:01] Mike Beard, you wrote not yet? I'm just

[3:24:03] checking in. Did you want to talk about

[3:24:06] >> Sorry. And then is Kate still here?

[3:24:09] >> I think I saw

[3:24:12] >> Kate. No.

[3:24:14] >> Um Lauren, I think did you want to speak

[3:24:16] on that? Okay. Yeah. Yep. I got it. I

[3:24:19] figured there might be a couple. Would

[3:24:21] you like to speak about No. Okay. Um

[3:24:25] Trish is a maybe Trish Watson. No. Okay.

[3:24:29] >> No. No.

[3:24:33] And Carrie Vanville, did you want to

[3:24:35] speak? Is she still here?

[3:24:38] I don't see her. Okay. Um,

[3:24:42] Pam Wilmont

[3:24:44] didn't fill out the Just want to double

[3:24:46] check. Okay. Uh, Michaela G.

[3:24:50] [laughter]

[3:24:53] » And are you speaking on behalf of

[3:24:55] yourself or on an organization? Uh, this

[3:24:57] is a King County Realtor. Okay. Is that

[3:25:00] Yeah, I think that's u. So, good

[3:25:02] evening. I'm Michaela. I spoke in front

[3:25:04] of you guys a couple of times now. Um

[3:25:06] I'm a local real estate broker, business

[3:25:08] owner on Main Street, and um I belong to

[3:25:10] our Government Repairs Committee for

[3:25:12] Sydney County Association of Realtors.

[3:25:14] I'm here tonight to ask the council to

[3:25:16] make a motion to amend the proposed sign

[3:25:18] code. Your table 14503,

[3:25:22] specifically the Aboard signs relating

[3:25:24] to residential properties for sale.

[3:25:26] We're just hoping for four offsite of

[3:25:28] the residential properties that are

[3:25:30] allowed in the rideway. Open house signs

[3:25:32] are really important. Just last weekend,

[3:25:34] met a couple from Sacramento that was

[3:25:36] driving around town and stopped into a

[3:25:39] home. They're looking in the area. Um,

[3:25:41] and without those open house signs, they

[3:25:43] wouldn't have stopped. They wouldn't

[3:25:44] have gotten to know Duvall. We had a

[3:25:46] wonderful welcome guide from the Chamber

[3:25:48] of Commerce that was made. And just

[3:25:50] having that relationship purely because

[3:25:52] of openhouse aboard is really important.

[3:25:54] It allows economic viability for

[3:25:57] homeowners, home sellers, home buyers.

[3:25:59] So really important to continue to have

[3:26:01] those open house eboard signs. I think

[3:26:04] especially in a community like Duvall

[3:26:07] where we have many neighborhoods, many

[3:26:09] down street, several turnoffs off the

[3:26:10] corridor. We need more than one sign. So

[3:26:14] they're temporary. I actually just

[3:26:15] placed an order for more signs. Even

[3:26:17] broker joined us across the street. It

[3:26:20] was just shy of $800 for five signs. Uh

[3:26:24] they're very expensive. They are an

[3:26:25] investment into the business. We don't

[3:26:28] want to leave them out. They get stolen

[3:26:30] every once in a while. Um it's critical

[3:26:33] to our business to have those and a very

[3:26:36] expensive mistake if we were to leave

[3:26:37] them out and they get swiped by by

[3:26:39] someone else or getting damaged. Um so I

[3:26:43] ask that the council make a motion to

[3:26:44] amend this table this evening. And I

[3:26:47] thank you for so much for all of the

[3:26:49] work on the code, the workshops. I know

[3:26:51] it takes a lot of time from city staff.

[3:26:54] I know this has been a process through

[3:26:55] multiple staff members. Um so thank you.

[3:26:58] again.

[3:27:00] >> Thank you. Uh Meg Town, are you still

[3:27:03] here? And did you want to speak? Uh Mike

[3:27:07] Town, I'm guessing. Oh

[3:27:10] no. Okay, I'll move on here. Nina

[3:27:14] Oshovski, did you want to speak on this

[3:27:16] public hearing?

[3:27:20] Okay. Um, Elizabeth's Hill still here.

[3:27:23] >> Yeah, but

[3:27:25] >> you put Yes. But I think I think many

[3:27:27] people might have thought it was about

[3:27:29] um something else. So, I'm gonna have to

[3:27:31] just go through. So, you're No, I'm

[3:27:33] speaking on the public hearing.

[3:27:34] >> Yes.

[3:27:35] >> Okay. Celeste, is she still here?

[3:27:38] >> Okay.

[3:27:40] Monica,

[3:27:41] >> sorry, I was confused.

[3:27:42] >> Oh, that's fine. Yeah. No, I get it.

[3:27:44] It's a process. Boomer head.

[3:27:48] No. Uh Johanna Porter,

[3:27:53] did you want to speak?

[3:27:56] >> Okay. Um

[3:27:59] >> might be it. That is it on the list. So

[3:28:01] now I would just ask, is there anyone in

[3:28:03] the audience that wanted to speak at

[3:28:04] this public hearing on the proposed

[3:28:07] amendment to 1450

[3:28:09] sign?

[3:28:12] Seeing none, I will go ahead and close

[3:28:14] the hearing at 8:59.

[3:28:18] Now we're on to existing business.

[3:28:20] First, we have agenda bill 26-62,

[3:28:22] proposed amendments to DMC uh 14.66.140

[3:28:27] on unit lot subdivisions. And this is

[3:28:29] with director Batty.

[3:28:31] >> Good evening yet again.

[3:28:34] um

[3:28:36] unit lot subdivisions are um are

[3:28:40] required under yet another Senate bill

[3:28:43] that has passed um through the state. So

[3:28:46] here we are tonight um to

[3:28:50] give you a refresher before um we

[3:28:52] prepare for a public hearing in the near

[3:28:54] future. Um next slide please. So, unit

[3:28:58] lot subdivisions are um an alternative

[3:29:01] means of creating smaller properties

[3:29:03] that could potentially be sold. Um so,

[3:29:06] parent lots must conform to a um

[3:29:12] to the development standards of that

[3:29:13] zoning district, but then the smaller

[3:29:15] child slash unit lots inside um are free

[3:29:20] from those restrictions. So this allows

[3:29:23] um

[3:29:25] this supports the development of middle

[3:29:26] housing smaller units that can be sold

[3:29:28] off. So the goal is um oh next slide

[3:29:33] please. Thank you. Why allow them? The

[3:29:35] goal is uh to provide flexibility and

[3:29:38] hopefully create alternative um methods

[3:29:41] of home ownership by having a greater

[3:29:43] variety of ownership types. Um and these

[3:29:48] can be done with small cottage units.

[3:29:50] These can be um small attached units.

[3:29:52] This could even be done with an ADU. So, there's a lot of um

[3:30:00] little ways to like slice and dice uh a

[3:30:02] regular size property to to to allow a

[3:30:06] unit lot subdivision. Next slide,

[3:30:08] please. Um so, we received a letter from

[3:30:13] the Master Builders Association of King

[3:30:16] and Snowom counties. Um, one of their

[3:30:19] comments was about

[3:30:21] um, unit lot subdivisions must follow

[3:30:25] the short subdivision process of a

[3:30:28] jurisdiction. Our code currently only

[3:30:30] allows up to the subdivision into four

[3:30:34] lots with a short subdivision. As such,

[3:30:38] only four lots, child lots may be

[3:30:40] allowed under the unit lot subdivision.

[3:30:44] Should council want to increase that

[3:30:46] number, um I don't remember which RCW it

[3:30:50] is, but you can do up to nine per state

[3:30:52] legislation, but it'll have to be

[3:30:54] adopted um through a local ordinance.

[3:30:56] So, that will be I'm looking forward to

[3:30:59] presenting you a menu of different work

[3:31:02] plan items that you get to choose from

[3:31:04] for next year. So, this can be on that

[3:31:06] menu item and then you don't get to pick

[3:31:08] everything on the menu because you only

[3:31:10] have so much capacity. um but can be

[3:31:13] considered. Um one of the other comments

[3:31:16] that we received from them was regarding

[3:31:19] utility connections and in discussing

[3:31:22] with the um ever hardworking and

[3:31:26] problemsolving city engineer. Um she she

[3:31:30] uh crafted some language that would be

[3:31:32] in compliance with our code while

[3:31:35] without micromanaging that specificity

[3:31:38] within the UNIL subdvision. So then the

[3:31:40] consideration is to have utility

[3:31:42] connections for individual lot shall

[3:31:44] comply with the title 9 and public works

[3:31:46] development design standards. Planning

[3:31:48] staff has zero objections to public

[3:31:51] works the recommend recommended

[3:31:53] modification to that section of the

[3:31:55] proposed.

[3:31:58] Um

[3:31:59] uh next slide please.

[3:32:06] So, um, so we've had discussions with,

[3:32:09] uh, planning commission presenting it

[3:32:11] tonight to city council. We're hoping to

[3:32:13] get this wrapped up so that we can

[3:32:15] prepare it for a public hearing in

[3:32:18] September, in the early October, near

[3:32:20] future. Um, and get this done by the end

[3:32:24] of the year along with all of our other

[3:32:27] required work plan items.

[3:32:29] Next slide.

[3:32:32] Any questions?

[3:32:33] >> Great. and council, this is just up for

[3:32:35] discussion tonight. Um, does anyone have

[3:32:37] any comments or questions?

[3:32:41] » Uh, council member Hernandez.

[3:32:43] >> So, uh, do we have an estimate of how

[3:32:47] requiring like all the sewer, water,

[3:32:49] power service connections would affect

[3:32:51] the affordability of the the homes in

[3:32:54] the lot?

[3:32:55] >> I'm going to tag the signature here.

[3:32:57] >> That is a great question. Um, and

[3:33:00] something that will be coming forward to

[3:33:03] council in the future, we're working on

[3:33:05] our GSA

[3:33:07] uh, rate study and along with that going

[3:33:10] to come the conversation about utility

[3:33:13] ch well capital connection charges for

[3:33:16] ADUs

[3:33:17] um, and or uh, unit lot subdivision

[3:33:22] properties.

[3:33:24] um as we have our code written right now

[3:33:26] is every parcel has to have a third

[3:33:29] connection. Um and so understanding that

[3:33:32] with these unit lot subdivision types of

[3:33:35] land use and ADUs and that type of

[3:33:38] thing, it's not always the best use of

[3:33:41] service. um especially because there is

[3:33:44] existing capacity within a single family

[3:33:47] residential meter that can service that

[3:33:51] ADU that that homeowner or that property

[3:33:53] owner is building um in order to support

[3:33:57] you know aging and place parents or you

[3:33:59] know whatever that choice is to have the

[3:34:01] ADU built. Um, we have a covenant

[3:34:04] currently um that is recorded with ADUs

[3:34:07] that requires if there is an ownership

[3:34:10] change from that ADU or what could

[3:34:14] potentially be a unit built through the

[3:34:16] unit lot subdivision, if that changes

[3:34:18] ownership from the primary owner, they

[3:34:21] are required to by our utility billing

[3:34:24] code, as our finance director can

[3:34:26] attest, um, to have a uh, water service

[3:34:29] connection. And with that water service

[3:34:31] connection comes a capital charge um and

[3:34:34] then uh potentially a sewer and storm.

[3:34:38] Um there are alternatives to how we

[3:34:41] would assess those fees based on um the

[3:34:44] size of the dwelling unit and that's

[3:34:46] kind of the future work that we're going

[3:34:48] to that public works either Steve or

[3:34:50] myself will bring to council. Um we

[3:34:52] haven't quite nailed that down yet. We

[3:34:55] do impact fees at a 50% reduction. So

[3:34:57] traffic impact fee, park impact fee is

[3:34:59] reduced by 50%. Um it was kind of in the

[3:35:03] assumption that all GFC's impact fees in

[3:35:05] general would be 50%. Um that does make

[3:35:10] a unit lot subdivision type project and

[3:35:13] or an ADU um hard to be considered

[3:35:17] affordable. Uh the state and commerce

[3:35:20] guidance does not see them as

[3:35:21] affordable. they see them as fitting the

[3:35:24] middle housing bucket which is the 80 to

[3:35:26] 120 AMI. Um so what that means for us

[3:35:31] and council as the decision makers for

[3:35:33] how we implement those um capital

[3:35:36] connection charges um that is to come.

[3:35:39] >> Thank you.

[3:35:40] >> Yeah.

[3:35:41] >> Right. Council member Wiggins.

[3:35:46] » All right. Yes. Thank you. Um I'd like

[3:35:49] uh to ask Dr. debated to look at uh next

[3:35:52] time this comes back that we look at

[3:35:53] increasing the um subdivision cap of

[3:35:56] four. It just seems like there might be

[3:35:57] some residents or areas of uh Duvall

[3:36:01] that would that has acreage and maybe

[3:36:04] four really would cap them and I'd like

[3:36:06] to give them the opportunity those those

[3:36:08] areas that have got acreage to um

[3:36:10] increase uh the number of unit lots from

[3:36:13] four. I don't know if it's going to be

[3:36:14] nine, but I would like to see some uh

[3:36:16] maybe some different options for us to

[3:36:18] look at outside of just the four unit uh

[3:36:20] lots. Also, um do we know if this Senate

[3:36:24] bill that's coming across that we're

[3:36:26] dealing with here, Senate Bill 5258, do

[3:36:28] we know if that requires the lot owners

[3:36:30] to sell off these subdivided short plats

[3:36:33] or could they in essence just uh lease

[3:36:36] them all out? And if they are going to

[3:36:38] lease them all out, do we have any

[3:36:39] legislation here in town that keeps them

[3:36:41] from making them short-term rentals? So

[3:36:42] we're not dealing with a whole bunch of

[3:36:44] Airbnbs popping up across the city.

[3:36:47] >> We thought about that and you don't have

[3:36:49] to answer that. Director Batty, but you

[3:36:51] can come back with that later.

[3:36:52] >> Council member Wiggins, city

[3:36:53] administrator McNab, I think might have

[3:36:55] an answer to your question.

[3:36:56] >> So I can answer the short-term rental.

[3:36:58] So uh right now the city of Duval, our

[3:37:01] code does not permit short-term rentals.

[3:37:04] It's kind of the um uh the lack of

[3:37:08] language is the the it's a proving a

[3:37:13] negative. So, because we don't permit

[3:37:16] them, you cannot have them. And so,

[3:37:18] right now, there's nothing in our code

[3:37:20] that allows short-term rentals in the

[3:37:22] city of Duval. It's been kind of taken

[3:37:24] on and put off um by various councils

[3:37:28] onto the community development

[3:37:30] department work plan. And so it's up to

[3:37:32] council to decide moving into the 2728

[3:37:35] bianium if you want us to address

[3:37:37] short-term rentals. But right now we

[3:37:40] short-term rentals are not a permitted

[3:37:42] use uh within the city of Duvall

[3:37:47] >> explicitly.

[3:37:48] >> All right. Other comments or questions?

[3:37:52] >> Can I ask Council Member Wiggins? Did

[3:37:54] you have a followup or you can go ahead

[3:37:55] if you have a second question. I I

[3:37:57] didn't see any other Was there another

[3:37:58] hand up? I didn't see another hand.

[3:38:00] >> No, you're good. Okay. Um

[3:38:04] I I in the in the presentation and the

[3:38:06] slides, I see the mention of home

[3:38:07] ownership and home ownership, but

[3:38:08] there's nothing that says that

[3:38:10] subdividing out a plat by a parent lot,

[3:38:14] nothing says they have to sell it.

[3:38:16] Correct. This doesn't necessarily mean

[3:38:18] we're going to have more opportunities

[3:38:20] to own a home for um uh someone that

[3:38:23] that's just coming into the area, but

[3:38:25] they can possibly rent it. Maybe not

[3:38:28] shortterm is there's nothing out there,

[3:38:30] but they could possibly lease it for a

[3:38:32] year by the owner. So, I don't know if

[3:38:35] >> Okay. So, any subdivision of land

[3:38:38] doesn't require that those properties be

[3:38:41] sold off. The same person or entity can

[3:38:45] own all of those properties in

[3:38:47] perpetuity if they so choose. One

[3:38:49] example is Duval Village.

[3:38:52] [clears throat]

[3:38:53] Pubalt Village subdivided, but the

[3:38:57] developer did not sell off any of the

[3:39:00] residences. So, those are all rented and

[3:39:03] that's allowed.

[3:39:05] >> Okay.

[3:39:06] >> Or they sorry, the developer sold it to

[3:39:09] a management

[3:39:09] >> to a management company. Yeah. But they

[3:39:11] haven't been sold to people to real

[3:39:15] people.

[3:39:18] » Yes.

[3:39:19] >> Other comments or questions from

[3:39:20] council?

[3:39:22] All right, seeing none, we'll move on to

[3:39:24] our last item of existing business,

[3:39:26] agenda bill 26-63, proposed amendments

[3:39:28] to DMC14.50

[3:39:30] on signs and again to director Batty.

[3:39:34] Um

[3:39:37] we won't go through the presentation

[3:39:38] again, but if there's any questions

[3:39:41] um

[3:39:43] any discussion you'd like to hold before

[3:39:46] uh the decision

[3:39:49] may pro I do have a question because it

[3:39:52] came up in the comments but it was also

[3:39:54] referenced on your slides and and

[3:39:56] actually I reached out to you sort of

[3:39:58] prior to the meeting but I didn't see

[3:40:00] any changes as well. Um, I did not watch

[3:40:02] the planning commission meeting,

[3:40:06] but I it would be helpful to understand

[3:40:10] a little bit of the rationale in terms

[3:40:12] of why they didn't move forward. I

[3:40:14] didn't necessarily wasn't going to

[3:40:15] recommend a change to five coming to the

[3:40:17] meeting, but I also recognized, you

[3:40:20] know, one sign in front of the property

[3:40:22] and one well, there were actually two

[3:40:24] things, one in the property and sort of

[3:40:26] one somewhere else. And then also how

[3:40:29] that conflicted with the redway which

[3:40:30] was only one. So there was that piece of

[3:40:33] it in terms of rationaliz but but also

[3:40:35] just understanding like

[3:40:37] what was the rationale in terms of

[3:40:40] recommending against the change from

[3:40:42] what I because I I guess I'm trying to

[3:40:45] that was not where I would have landed

[3:40:47] and so I'm trying to understand their

[3:40:48] thinking. So, at the at the planning

[3:40:51] commission hearing, the letter was

[3:40:52] presented um and there was a motion to

[3:40:57] recommend um adoption of the sign code

[3:41:01] of ordinance with the changes as spelled

[3:41:03] out in the letter. And um and so as a a

[3:41:08] clarifier that asked um like what

[3:41:11] specifically were you looking to change

[3:41:13] within the code regulations? So we we

[3:41:16] went point by point um from the letter

[3:41:20] to discuss when when the request is for

[3:41:24] a greater number of aboard signs. The

[3:41:26] code right now says you may have one for um if you are a real estate agent

[3:41:32] and you're looking to have an aboard

[3:41:34] sign for an open house. The code allows

[3:41:36] one in front of the property and then

[3:41:38] one elsewhere within the rightway. Um,

[3:41:40] so I asked, "Do you mean you want two as

[3:41:45] a frontage and three somewhere else, or

[3:41:48] you still want one as a frontage and

[3:41:49] four somewhere else, or what do you

[3:41:51] actually want?" Um, and they weren't

[3:41:55] sure. Um, and then we also discussed um,

[3:42:03] Can you go back to the slide, please?

[3:42:06] Oh, so we discussed the spacing. Um I

[3:42:09] asked if they wanted the smaller

[3:42:10] spacing. Um they they agreed.

[3:42:16] Yeah, thank you. Um

[3:42:19] we discussed uh the that it would

[3:42:22] effectively lead to visual blight. Um

[3:42:24] and then when we talked about um incre

[3:42:28] decreasing the front setback for those

[3:42:32] um the medium size such as posted arm

[3:42:37] signs um that wouldn't have a great

[3:42:40] impact. So staff was recommending reduce

[3:42:42] that front step back but did not

[3:42:44] recommend increasing the number of

[3:42:45] aboard signs or reducing the separation.

[3:42:49] And so as we talked through it and I

[3:42:50] asked for specificity on exactly how

[3:42:52] they wanted the code changed,

[3:42:55] the planning commissioner uh withdrew

[3:42:57] their motion to make those amendments

[3:43:01] and then there was a new motion to

[3:43:04] recommend approval per staff's

[3:43:06] recommendation

[3:43:08] and that is the time.

[3:43:12] » Other council comments, questions,

[3:43:16] uh council member. Yeah, I really I

[3:43:19] can't really go along with the uh

[3:43:21] planning commission's recommendations

[3:43:23] that

[3:43:25] you know driving around on Sunday

[3:43:27] afternoon.

[3:43:29] I don't really see a plethora of aboards

[3:43:33] on every street corner and every ride

[3:43:35] away. It doesn't seem like that's really

[3:43:37] a big problem. Temporary signs, small

[3:43:40] signs, they drive up and down main

[3:43:42] street. I just see them all over the

[3:43:44] place and that's that's more of a issue

[3:43:46] for me.

[3:43:48] But I I I could see restricting

[3:43:52] temporary eightword signs to just one on

[3:43:54] the property and one located somewhere

[3:43:58] else. That's not really going to help

[3:43:59] anybody find find the house at all.

[3:44:05] » Other comments. Uh council member

[3:44:07] Wiggins.

[3:44:08] >> Uh yes. Hi. Am I am I reading the uh the

[3:44:10] matrices correct for aboard frames

[3:44:12] temporary because I'm I'm seeing two and

[3:44:17] but I'm hearing one on this call. Am I

[3:44:19] reading this thing incorrectly?

[3:44:21] >> One and one. So it's two total but it's

[3:44:23] one and one.

[3:44:25] >> It's one on property and one somewhere

[3:44:27] else within the right ofway. So it's two

[3:44:29] total signs per open house.

[3:44:32] >> Yeah. I remember the uh the open house

[3:44:34] or that we had and hearing from the

[3:44:37] realtors and they wanted five and we

[3:44:39] went back and forth. It came out as one

[3:44:40] and they wanted five and I thought we

[3:44:42] met in the middle somewhere. Was that

[3:44:44] presented to planning commission?

[3:44:47] >> This the the presentation to planning

[3:44:50] commission um was the one for frontage,

[3:44:53] one for off-site and then they had a

[3:44:56] discussion about allowing more and they

[3:44:57] decided to not go forward with that

[3:44:59] motion.

[3:45:00] >> Yeah.

[3:45:04] >> Quick question, point of information. I

[3:45:06] know this is ripe for decision. Um, is

[3:45:09] there a time limit on this decision?

[3:45:12] Like you need it by a certain time or

[3:45:13] it's passable at any point. I know we

[3:45:15] want to get it done, but I just want to

[3:45:16] check if there's a statute. Go ahead.

[3:45:18] >> Um, yeah. No, we're not Well, the

[3:45:22] Supreme Court ruled 10 years ago that we

[3:45:23] needed to fix this. So, Right. Yeah. Um,

[3:45:26] [laughter]

[3:45:27] so ultimately there's one issue left and

[3:45:30] if we could get council by kind of a

[3:45:34] vote here tonight on how many aboard

[3:45:37] signs you want, we can finish this work,

[3:45:40] create an an ordinance and put it on

[3:45:42] consent next time and include the site

[3:45:45] code work, which would be lovely to take

[3:45:48] something off of director Batty's

[3:45:50] >> workload. So ideally we could go around

[3:45:54] with council, come up with a number,

[3:45:56] give her direction so we can finish this

[3:45:58] work by next week. With that said, we're

[3:46:01] under no

[3:46:03] >> dead statutory deadline to have this

[3:46:04] done.

[3:46:05] >> But they don't necessarily need to vote

[3:46:06] on it. You would just want a general

[3:46:07] consensus and potentially could come

[3:46:08] back on consent agenda next month.

[3:46:10] >> It is on the planning calendar to come

[3:46:12] back to consent.

[3:46:14] >> Okay.

[3:46:14] >> For 91. So, with that, um, Council

[3:46:17] Member Wiggins, do you have a proposal

[3:46:19] or did you have a different question?

[3:46:21] >> Three. I go I'm going with three.

[3:46:24] >> Um, Council Member Olen, would you just

[3:46:26] mind verbalizing? I see your hand. I

[3:46:28] actually can't see if you're raising

[3:46:29] your hand or showing me three fingers or

[3:46:31] something else.

[3:46:32] >> I I was also going to suggest three.

[3:46:35] >> Okay. Um, Council Member Supple, did you

[3:46:37] want to weigh in on that?

[3:46:38] >> Yeah, I don't see three being sufficient number. You know, I' I'd go

[3:46:44] with five.

[3:46:46] I mean, it doesn't mean they have to set

[3:46:47] up five, right? If you got a house a

[3:46:50] block off of Main Street,

[3:46:52] >> you're going to set one up on Main

[3:46:53] Street, one on the prop. You're not

[3:46:55] going to set up five in particers

[3:47:07] or whatever. It's just, it's not a it's

[3:47:10] not a problem for me.

[3:47:13] Mayor Prism, did you want to weigh in on

[3:47:15] three, five, or some other number?

[3:47:16] >> Yeah. So, I mean, I initially was going

[3:47:17] to go by three, but you know, again,

[3:47:19] it's based on where you live in in sort

[3:47:22] of Legacy Ridge. I see one outside then,

[3:47:24] you know, you're right in the house, but

[3:47:26] depending on how far off a beach you

[3:47:28] are, the number will vary. I also don't

[3:47:30] see a big difference in impact between

[3:47:33] three and five. So, I would be fine

[3:47:35] going with five. We can always adjust

[3:47:37] it. I think that's one of the things

[3:47:39] we've learned. If it turns out to be too

[3:47:40] many, we can revisit this in a future.

[3:47:43] >> Council member Hernandez,

[3:47:44] >> I'm probably going to be the weird one

[3:47:45] here and say four. [laughter]

[3:47:48] >> Uh, one in front of the house, one on a

[3:47:50] main street, and then two wayf finding

[3:47:52] ones.

[3:47:54] >> So, I will circle back around one more

[3:47:56] time [laughter] because we've got two

[3:47:59] for three, two for five, and one for

[3:48:01] four for funsies. Um,

[3:48:03] >> Council Member Wiggins, do you Oh, do

[3:48:05] you have a suggestion?

[3:48:06] >> Um, I I would like a clarifying point.

[3:48:08] Right now the um the draft is one per

[3:48:11] frontage and one offsite.

[3:48:12] >> Oh, I see.

[3:48:13] >> Are it I would like feedback. Is it just

[3:48:16] a maximum and you don't care where they

[3:48:18] are located and we do not regulate said

[3:48:21] location and it's just a number or you

[3:48:25] may uh have a x number for frontage and

[3:48:29] y number everywhere up.

[3:48:31] >> That's a good clarification. Did you or

[3:48:33] Oh, do you want to go ahead? I I'm not a

[3:48:36] policy maker, but can I offer that I do

[3:48:39] manage enforcement. I think it'd be

[3:48:41] easier if we just had a number of folks

[3:48:42] can put them wherever they want.

[3:48:44] >> Yeah.

[3:48:44] >> Um Council Member Wiggins, I'll start

[3:48:48] back with you. Um I just want to check.

[3:48:50] Are you stuck at three, which is fine if

[3:48:53] you are, or are you open to a higher

[3:48:55] number, and then are you also open to it

[3:48:57] just being an overall number and they

[3:48:58] can put them where they want rather than

[3:49:00] differentiating the one on property in?

[3:49:03] Okay.

[3:49:03] >> Yeah, I'm okay if we want to go five. I

[3:49:05] just don't want to see five on Main

[3:49:07] Street. So, I'm going to add that in

[3:49:08] there. I don't want five on Main Street.

[3:49:11] >> No.

[3:49:13] >> Council member Olen, do you want to

[3:49:14] weigh back in? Are you still at three or

[3:49:16] did you want to move in one direction?

[3:49:19] >> I'm fine if you are.

[3:49:20] >> I I'm okay with with five. My my request

[3:49:23] would be that if you know if if

[3:49:25] enforcement becomes a problem or if

[3:49:28] these become you know an eyesore which

[3:49:30] it sounds like they won't but if they do

[3:49:32] that we would circle back

[3:49:34] >> and or or that city staff would would um

[3:49:37] speak up if enforcement becomes an

[3:49:39] issue.

[3:49:41] >> So it sounds like it's not unanimous but

[3:49:44] I'm looking at you now I'm just kidding.

[3:49:45] Um but in general five is acceptable to

[3:49:48] a majority actually five you get the

[3:49:51] five. Okay, thank you. I appreciate the

[3:49:53] extra time. I think we're I think we're

[3:49:56] there.

[3:49:56] >> We're getting so close.

[3:49:57] >> Okay, so are we are we good then and for

[3:50:00] that to come back with a draft? Okay,

[3:50:02] perfect.

[3:50:04] >> So, um before we move on to new

[3:50:06] business, um with someone on council,

[3:50:08] would you like to make a motion to

[3:50:09] extend the meeting past 9:30 just so we

[3:50:11] don't come up that time?

[3:50:14] >> I moved to extend the meeting past 9:30.

[3:50:17] Seconded.

[3:50:18] >> It's been moved and seconded to extend

[3:50:19] past 9:30. All those in favor say I.

[3:50:22] >> I.

[3:50:24] >> All those opposed say no. Motion passes.

[3:50:28] And so next up we are on to new

[3:50:30] business. And it is my greatest pleasure

[3:50:32] to now turn this portion of the meeting

[3:50:33] over to Mayor Mercer.

[3:50:36] >> Thank you. [clears throat]

[3:50:38] Um yeah, hopefully this will move fairly

[3:50:42] quickly so we can I know we still have

[3:50:45] quite a bit on the agenda this evening.

[3:50:47] Um, so I'd like to start by thanking

[3:50:50] everyone who applied and encourage those

[3:50:52] who don't get selected this time around

[3:50:55] not to get discouraged. Um, I think many

[3:50:58] of us on this council, we've been

[3:50:59] through this process multiple times,

[3:51:01] sometimes before we get get appointed.

[3:51:03] Uh, and there will be other

[3:51:04] opportunities to get involved in city

[3:51:06] government and or participate in public

[3:51:08] service within the community. Uh, for

[3:51:11] council procedures, we'll be using a

[3:51:13] streamline process this evening to fill

[3:51:16] the vacancy. Um, we actually have two

[3:51:18] positions open right now. Tonight we'll

[3:51:20] just be focusing on position number

[3:51:22] three. Um,

[3:51:25] uh, and so that streamline process

[3:51:27] involves a public interview session of

[3:51:29] the candidates followed by an executive

[3:51:31] session to discuss each candidates's

[3:51:33] responses and then an open vote. The

[3:51:36] list of potential interview questions

[3:51:37] was determined in advance by the city

[3:51:39] council.

[3:51:41] Um,

[3:51:43] I will ask each candidate the same set

[3:51:45] of questions while the other candidate

[3:51:47] stays outside the room. When the

[3:51:49] interviews are completed, council will

[3:51:51] go into executive session to discuss

[3:51:52] each candidate's responses and their

[3:51:54] qualifications. When the council meeting

[3:51:56] resumes, we will conduct a vote by

[3:51:58] matrix. We each council member will

[3:52:00] receive one vote per candidate. Tides

[3:52:03] will be determined by subsequent runoff

[3:52:05] votes until only one candidate remains.

[3:52:08] Um, and I believe we only have two. I'm

[3:52:11] sorry, city administrator.

[3:52:12] >> Yeah. Um, so we need to clarify the

[3:52:15] agenda. So those rules are for um

[3:52:20] when uh we'd be doing the whole series

[3:52:24] in a meeting. So we have not noticed an

[3:52:27] executive session following the

[3:52:29] interview. Uh the agenda has an

[3:52:31] interview and then an immediate vote for

[3:52:34] position three. So I just want to make

[3:52:36] sure we clarify the executive session

[3:52:38] under new business number four is to

[3:52:41] select the finalist for position number

[3:52:43] two.

[3:52:46] » Thank you. We haven't followed you. We

[3:52:48] had to discuss something different the

[3:52:51] >> agenda setting but that's that's fine

[3:52:53] but appreciate the clarification. So um

[3:52:57] so then yes it'll be the interview and

[3:52:58] then then the vote. Um

[3:53:02] uh the two candidates uh we'll be

[3:53:04] interviewing this evening are Mala Mu

[3:53:07] Vivo and Sarah Taylor. Um uh it may be

[3:53:13] easy. I I we typically just do in

[3:53:15] alphabetical order is the easiest way.

[3:53:18] Um so Sarah, I will ask you to sort of

[3:53:21] step out. I don't know if they're going

[3:53:23] to go downstairs for this.

[3:53:24] >> I can and go downstairs.

[3:53:40] and then we'll call you up get to see

[3:53:42] the process as well

[3:53:46] » a big headset ma

[3:53:47] >> yeah ma you can I mean it's probably

[3:53:50] more comfortable rather than put you at

[3:53:51] the podium have you just sit at the open

[3:53:54] chair um if you don't mind waiting a

[3:53:56] moment I' let for the will come to me

[3:53:58] here. So Jen just took a quick you can

[3:54:00] sit down as you're comfortable

[3:54:03] and then we will so it'll be three

[3:54:06] questions and then you'll have an

[3:54:07] opportunity at the end to do any type of

[3:54:10] statement that you want as well.

[3:54:20] Are we using the youth could we

[3:54:22] technically be

[3:54:26] » where we got in the meeting or

[3:54:28] >> everyone else is stand

[3:54:39] [laughter]

[3:54:43] » Yeah.

[3:55:03] Oh, it was this one that we added

[3:55:04] though. I don't know.

[3:55:08] >> Um,

[3:55:09] okay. So, uh, take the time. everyone

[3:55:13] that's sort of on the spot here, but um

[3:55:16] I I've tried to pick three questions

[3:55:17] that sort of cover different aspects of

[3:55:19] council process. So the first question

[3:55:21] is describe a time you had to make a

[3:55:24] decision on the board committee or in

[3:55:26] your professional life where your

[3:55:28] personal interests or relationships

[3:55:30] conflicted with what you believed was

[3:55:32] the right outcome of the group. How did

[3:55:34] you handle it? And what would you do if

[3:55:36] that kind of conflict came up on this

[3:55:38] council? May I please ask you to repeat

[3:55:40] the question? Yes. Just to make sure I

[3:55:42] get it for the day.

[3:55:44] >> So, describe a time when you had to make

[3:55:46] a decision on a board committee or in

[3:55:48] your professional life where your

[3:55:51] interests or relationships conflicted

[3:55:52] with what you believed was the right

[3:55:54] outcome. So, kind of a conflict of

[3:55:55] interest type thing um with the right

[3:55:58] income for the group. How'd you handle

[3:56:00] it? And what would you do if that kind

[3:56:02] of conflict came up on this council?

[3:56:05] >> Okay, that's a great question. Um I know

[3:56:07] we all um go through a lot of conflicts

[3:56:10] you know whether it's a job or whatever

[3:56:13] we do. So I have experienced that quite

[3:56:16] a number of times but I'm going to

[3:56:18] explain with an example. Um most

[3:56:20] recently um what I experienced is you

[3:56:24] know like we have we all all the time we

[3:56:26] have discussions like whenever there is

[3:56:28] a a topic of discussion that comes I

[3:56:32] know you you you all had a discussion

[3:56:33] just now and then you have to go back

[3:56:35] around just similar to that we do run

[3:56:38] into similar situations and as I'm a

[3:56:41] supervisor I definitely want to give

[3:56:42] opportunity for every that that's my

[3:56:45] role currently with city of Seattle so I

[3:56:48] definitely want allow each and every

[3:56:52] member of my team to have the ability to

[3:56:55] speak up and then I start to think about

[3:56:58] okay whatever the options that come out

[3:57:01] of that meeting what is the best one

[3:57:04] which is going to be the best option for

[3:57:07] city of Seattle not just in the best

[3:57:09] interest of myself or the individual

[3:57:12] themselves. So we do have um such

[3:57:15] situations come up quite a few times and

[3:57:18] we recently had a situation where um

[3:57:21] there were two individuals we had whom

[3:57:23] had conflict with each other but I had

[3:57:26] to literally listen to both of them and

[3:57:28] then I had to make a decision on hey we

[3:57:30] just need to I just want you guys to

[3:57:32] think through and see what it's what is

[3:57:35] going to be the best option for city of

[3:57:37] Seattle not and the business and the

[3:57:39] people we support and it's not going to

[3:57:41] be based on your individual ual needs,

[3:57:44] right? Or what satisfies you. So

[3:57:47] eventually we we came up with a group

[3:57:50] discussion and then everyone decided

[3:57:52] okay let's uh find out what are the best

[3:57:55] options. So we wrote it down and then we

[3:57:58] read it out loud so that everybody's

[3:58:00] clear on how we going to one of it was

[3:58:03] communication related and one of it was

[3:58:06] um related to the decision making on you

[3:58:09] know uh what kind of solution are we

[3:58:11] going to think right so luckily both of

[3:58:15] them agreed and you know like each one

[3:58:18] had a specific uh you know option like

[3:58:21] oh this is how I want the communication

[3:58:23] to go and the other person agreed agreed

[3:58:26] and that was the best option for us to

[3:58:28] pick because uh it actually suited the

[3:58:30] business needs and it will also add

[3:58:32] value to the business and the people we

[3:58:34] support. So we opted with that same as

[3:58:36] the solution option also we had to pick

[3:58:38] up the right solution. I'm sorry I'm

[3:58:41] always turning the side. I do like

[3:58:43] couple of them are there but I just uh

[3:58:45] you know we ended up picking the right

[3:58:47] solution and the right communication

[3:58:49] plan uh which actually helped resolve

[3:58:52] the problem the also the conflict of

[3:58:54] interest.

[3:58:56] >> Thank you.

[3:58:56] >> Yeah.

[3:58:57] >> Um second one we'll pivot a little bit.

[3:59:00] Dubal like most small cities has to

[3:59:03] balance infrastructure and service needs

[3:59:06] uh growth pressure as we exhibited

[3:59:08] tonight and uh uh and a limited budget.

[3:59:11] Hypothetically and and this can be a

[3:59:14] hypothetical so we won't hold you to

[3:59:15] when it comes to budget setting time. Um

[3:59:18] what's a tradeoff or compromise you'd be

[3:59:20] willing to make? Something you'd

[3:59:22] prioritize even if it meant delay or

[3:59:24] cutting something else the residents

[3:59:26] cared about and why? And then how would

[3:59:29] you go about getting support from the

[3:59:30] community for your decision?

[3:59:32] >> That's another great question. I did

[3:59:34] hear a lot of people with a lot of

[3:59:36] concerns. I really appreciate all of

[3:59:37] them coming here together. That shows

[3:59:40] how much they love the city that we all

[3:59:42] live in. So yes, it is definitely a

[3:59:44] great city to be part of. Um I know it's

[3:59:47] a small city. I know that that there is

[3:59:49] not much infrastructure that we can

[3:59:51] expand. um based on uh what I heard I do

[3:59:56] understand like with the budget

[3:59:57] constraints I also deal with the same in

[3:59:59] my own job. So one of the things that uh

[4:00:03] we are doing right now is to make sure

[4:00:08] um you know identify all bullet point

[4:00:10] all the list of things that's a priority

[4:00:14] what's going to serve the community

[4:00:15] better right and then come up with the

[4:00:18] option I know we also have to look at

[4:00:20] the budget constraints and what is it

[4:00:22] that what is it what will be possible

[4:00:25] within the budget to meet or you know uh

[4:00:30] meet the list of things that we have in

[4:00:32] play and then come up with a um you know

[4:00:37] I know like um many of them might have

[4:00:39] rooted for like no I want this I want

[4:00:41] that I want the other but one of the

[4:00:43] thing that I'm seeing right now is I

[4:00:45] also heard uh during the meeting that we

[4:00:48] don't have

[4:00:50] you know like we don't have the

[4:00:51] emergency services here like emergency

[4:00:53] in the sense hospital that's what I

[4:00:55] meant so

[4:00:58] for me that's more important because our

[4:01:00] community is growing and there are a lot

[4:01:02] of people you know who are also in the

[4:01:04] age where the critical you know need

[4:01:06] will be rising more so if that is a

[4:01:10] priority and that's on our list and if

[4:01:12] we can do that I definitely see how to

[4:01:15] make that happen but based on the budget

[4:01:17] constraints if that's not going to be

[4:01:19] possible at least you know jot down

[4:01:22] everything list by list and then come up

[4:01:25] with a plan and sometimes yes we may not

[4:01:29] be able to satis is for everyone but I

[4:01:31] would definitely lean forward towards

[4:01:34] what is the most uh you know thing that

[4:01:36] is achievable within the budget and also

[4:01:40] it adds more value to the people of the

[4:01:43] safety wall. So um that's what I would

[4:01:47] you know see how we can make it happen

[4:01:49] and then we can definitely think of the

[4:01:51] other options down the line doesn't mean

[4:01:53] that you know we are not able to do this

[4:01:56] year doesn't mean that we can think

[4:01:58] about it next year that's how I see it

[4:02:01] >> and then on the just to refresh on the second part is how would you go

[4:02:06] about getting support from the community

[4:02:07] for your decision just to make sure you

[4:02:09] have an opportunity to respond to that

[4:02:10] one as well.

[4:02:11] >> That's another great question. One of

[4:02:13] the thing is I know you guys do a lot of

[4:02:15] workshops. I know uh there are a lot of

[4:02:17] opportunities where you are also

[4:02:19] advertising. I also like to reach out to

[4:02:22] people you know that's one of my passion

[4:02:24] you know I like to go meet people uh in

[4:02:27] person uh if that is allowed you know I

[4:02:30] would definitely love to do that um you

[4:02:32] know whatever possible way because I

[4:02:34] myself I can tell like I'm not like a

[4:02:37] media person you know like going under

[4:02:40] the media every now and then. So I like

[4:02:43] to meet people and see how we can even

[4:02:47] passing on uh flyers you know and going

[4:02:51] and uh getting people to understand hey

[4:02:54] here's something that's happening would

[4:02:56] you be interested you know like

[4:02:58] understanding if their willingness you

[4:03:01] know and what they want those are the

[4:03:03] things that can uh help you know build a

[4:03:07] stronger community I already see that

[4:03:08] happen here so um I would like to do

[4:03:11] that an option.

[4:03:14] >> Um and then the third one um is more

[4:03:17] really around sort of the the way

[4:03:18] council works. It's council decisions

[4:03:20] often require you to vote alongside

[4:03:22] colleagues colleagues with whom your

[4:03:25] views don't fully align.

[4:03:28] I saw some of that seat. Uh um tell us

[4:03:31] about a time you had to work

[4:03:32] productively with someone whose approach

[4:03:34] or values differed from yours and what

[4:03:37] you learned about building consensus

[4:03:39] without abandoning your own position.

[4:03:42] >> I liked how the discussion went on today

[4:03:45] uh you know regarding one of the the

[4:03:47] oing especially with the signs. Um I

[4:03:50] actually thought like hm maybe I didn't

[4:03:52] think through you know a web planning

[4:03:54] functioner like right like that's one of

[4:03:57] the thing that came to my mind maybe I

[4:03:58] didn't think through that option of

[4:04:01] maybe it doesn't hurt to have the five

[4:04:03] side than the four side uh that's one of

[4:04:05] the thing that came to my mind as I was

[4:04:07] listening uh um

[4:04:11] uh do you want another example of uh a

[4:04:15] situation where I would have made a

[4:04:17] decision and then All right.

[4:04:19] >> Yeah. I mean, I think it's really the

[4:04:21] intent of this question is more like um

[4:04:23] if you're how do you go about building

[4:04:25] consensus within a group? Uh it really

[4:04:27] is sort of the core nail of that and

[4:04:29] then you know if you don't come out on

[4:04:31] the winning side of the vote um how do

[4:04:33] you continue to work effectively with capital because it is a it is a

[4:04:37] representative form of government.

[4:04:39] >> Um yeah um that always happens with the

[4:04:42] software development actually u you know

[4:04:44] because I come from the software

[4:04:46] development background. So I literally

[4:04:49] like to understand the needs more than

[4:04:52] you know I know I whatever solution

[4:04:53] because we always come up with like four

[4:04:55] or five solutions and we pick the most

[4:04:58] uh useful one and you know most least

[4:05:00] expensive one and what's more um uh

[4:05:04] useful for the business you know in

[4:05:06] reliability ease of maintenance and all

[4:05:09] that sometimes I may pick the wrong one

[4:05:11] but I still had to uh go with the the

[4:05:14] team as to what everyone is deciding

[4:05:17] and wanted to choose what is the right

[4:05:20] thing to do. It may not be the one that

[4:05:22] I chose. So I have come uh you know

[4:05:25] there are several situations like that

[4:05:27] and same thing even with budgeting.

[4:05:30] you know I may say something

[4:05:31] and I'm like no that it didn't work. So

[4:05:34] I had to literally listen to other

[4:05:36] opinions you know within the uh within

[4:05:39] because we have like quite a few at

[4:05:41] least three managers. We are three of us we work together. So we I

[4:05:45] had to literally listen to all of them

[4:05:47] and then come up with what is the most

[4:05:49] uh optimal solution rather than just my

[4:05:52] opinion. So yeah,

[4:05:55] >> thank you. Um and then is there anything

[4:05:57] else you'd like to say about yourself

[4:05:59] that you feel is important for us to

[4:06:01] consider before we conclude your

[4:06:03] interview? Um you have two minutes. I

[4:06:05] know you don't have the two minutes up

[4:06:06] here, but you can sort of keep track of

[4:06:08] that

[4:06:10] statement.

[4:06:11] >> Um sure. I definitely want to thank each

[4:06:13] and every one of you uh for being

[4:06:15] present here and listening to me and

[4:06:18] also listening to all the people and

[4:06:20] doing the best you know possible things

[4:06:22] for our city of Dwal and the people who

[4:06:24] live here and I want to say thank you uh

[4:06:27] and also I definitely will add more

[4:06:30] value um as I come from I know I'm

[4:06:33] different ethnicity but also I have a

[4:06:35] lot of experience with lot of different

[4:06:37] areas uh that I bring in to the council

[4:06:40] from budgeting

[4:06:42] Um, and I I think I also do a lot of uh

[4:06:47] negotiations. I've done quite a bit of

[4:06:49] those. Um, and I also value, you know,

[4:06:52] like I work in the community. So, I

[4:06:54] wanted to learn more and I wanted to be

[4:06:56] able to serve the community. So, that's

[4:06:58] the passion that I have. So, I think

[4:07:01] that I don't know if I'm up uh but I

[4:07:04] just wanted to

[4:07:06] >> um yeah, say thank you and end here.

[4:07:08] >> Well, thank you.

[4:07:09] >> All right. And you can actually stay up

[4:07:12] here since you you know the questions

[4:07:14] now. So if you want to

[4:07:19] thank you again.

[4:07:20] >> Oh

[4:07:24] no.

[4:07:27] >> I think we need a little downstairs.

[4:07:29] That would be really fun.

[4:07:31] Do we have to

[4:07:35] actually work because these are all like

[4:07:37] city hall too.

[4:07:42] Jennifer,

[4:07:46] » I think they let her know she can stay

[4:07:48] up here if she wanted. Is that okay?

[4:07:51] >> You can be in the podium or you can sit

[4:07:52] at the table. Probably more comfortable.

[4:08:03] » Hopefully it wasn't too cold down there.

[4:08:05] Okay.

[4:08:11] » All right. So, um there will be three

[4:08:13] questions and then you'll have an

[4:08:14] opportunity to do a closing statement as

[4:08:16] well. Um so the first question is

[4:08:18] describe a time when you had to make a

[4:08:20] decision on the board committee or in

[4:08:22] your professional life where your

[4:08:24] personal interests or relationships

[4:08:26] conflicted with what you believed was

[4:08:27] the right outcome of the group. So

[4:08:29] basically a conflict of interest type scenario. How did you handle it and

[4:08:33] what would you do if that kind of

[4:08:35] conflict came up on this council?

[4:08:38] >> Trying to think. My first implement

[4:08:40] would be probably when I was on the

[4:08:43] decision-making team at my school

[4:08:45] because we're elected and I represented

[4:08:47] fifth and fourth grade and sometimes the

[4:08:50] intermediate grades are not always

[4:08:52] getting the

[4:08:55] brunt of the attention but because you

[4:08:57] know foundational literacy important.

[4:08:59] Um, and sometimes we would bring like

[4:09:03] actually I could think of my brain is

[4:09:06] absolutely frightening.

[4:09:09] I should have

[4:09:14] I don't usually have too much of a

[4:09:15] conflict opinion usually because with

[4:09:19] the teams we've had

[4:09:21] we never usually have to hash anything

[4:09:23] out. I'm trying to figure out a time

[4:09:24] when we did have to freshman get

[4:09:26] something.

[4:09:28] It's a really tiny

[4:09:31] we have computer. No, my brain is not

[4:09:33] having blue.

[4:09:36] >> Okay.

[4:09:37] >> No, I guess I absolutely I we have

[4:09:39] nothing.

[4:09:43] » Um that's fine. I can I'll move on to

[4:09:46] the the next question. Um Duvall like

[4:09:49] most small cities has to balance

[4:09:51] infrastructure and service needs, growth

[4:09:53] pressure, and a limited budget. um

[4:09:57] hypothetically

[4:09:58] and and again won't hold you to this uh

[4:10:01] if we get to budget setting um what's a

[4:10:04] trade-off or compromise you'd be billing

[4:10:06] be willing to make something you'd

[4:10:09] prioritize um even if it meant delaying

[4:10:11] or cutting something else residents care

[4:10:13] about. So in terms of you know we we

[4:10:15] balance those those things in terms of

[4:10:17] what we could do on a given given budget

[4:10:19] cycle how would you go about getting

[4:10:21] support for the community for your

[4:10:22] decision? So kind of what potentially

[4:10:25] would you um prioritize and then how

[4:10:28] would you go about you know determining

[4:10:30] what to prioritize and then how would

[4:10:32] you communicate that decision out to the

[4:10:34] community once it was made?

[4:10:43] Will you ask one more time just because

[4:10:45] >> Oh, sure. No, I'm happy to reate the

[4:10:46] question. Um, Dubal, like most small

[4:10:48] cities, has to balance infrastructure

[4:10:51] and service needs. So, what we deliver

[4:10:54] to the community, growth pressure, and a

[4:10:56] limited budget.

[4:10:58] Hypothetically, what's a trade-off or

[4:11:00] compromise? You'd be willing to make

[4:11:02] something you'd prioritize even if it

[4:11:04] meant delaying or cutting something else

[4:11:05] residents care about. Um, basically

[4:11:08] couldn't do everything. Kind of what

[4:11:10] would you do and why? Uh, and how would

[4:11:12] you go about getting support for the

[4:11:14] community for your decision?

[4:11:17] >> I think going back to kind of this

[4:11:20] evening's meeting when so many of the

[4:11:21] community members came in for about like

[4:11:23] zoning and like thinking about affecting

[4:11:25] Oldtown. Um, one thing that I think

[4:11:29] would be I really believe in that I

[4:11:31] would love to even get more support for

[4:11:33] is just bringing more not necessarily

[4:11:36] like housing but just more of that job

[4:11:40] opportunity the growth because a lot of

[4:11:42] like when we becomes a flood and we

[4:11:44] become an island like you were

[4:11:46] mentioning it's the teenagers who are

[4:11:49] kind of working because those are the

[4:11:50] only people who can afford those wages

[4:11:52] for the limited opportunities and then

[4:11:55] trying to figure out ways I would love

[4:11:56] to support being able to figure out how

[4:11:58] we could get be more attractive in

[4:12:00] Duvall to more businesses to attract not

[4:12:03] just teenagers but people like who would

[4:12:05] want to be able to stay in the community

[4:12:07] be able to not have to leave so we could

[4:12:09] just have those opportunities with more

[4:12:11] activities people making more livable

[4:12:14] wages and I imagine that would probably

[4:12:17] get a lot of community support but then

[4:12:19] just figuring out how to like network

[4:12:21] and go around everywhere asking for

[4:12:23] support and ideas and figuring out how

[4:12:25] we could appeal to different county or

[4:12:27] whatever to just make it attractive.

[4:12:33] » And thank you. And the the third um is

[4:12:37] sort of a a little bit of a pivot. Um

[4:12:39] council decisions often require you to

[4:12:41] vote alongside colleagues with whom your

[4:12:44] views don't fully align. Um, tell us

[4:12:47] about a time you had to work

[4:12:48] productively with someone whose approach

[4:12:50] or values differed from yours and what

[4:12:53] you learned about building consensus

[4:12:54] without abandoning your own position.

[4:12:58] >> Again, for my pro. Yeah. One more.

[4:13:00] >> Yeah. Council decisions often require

[4:13:02] you to vote alongside colleagues with

[4:13:04] whom your views don't formulate

[4:13:06] >> or different perspectives. Um, tell us

[4:13:09] about a time you had to work

[4:13:11] productively with someone whose approach

[4:13:13] or values differed from yours and what

[4:13:16] you learned about building consensus

[4:13:17] without abandoning your own position or

[4:13:20] your own point of view.

[4:13:22] >> Well, again, I'm I'm a teacher and so we

[4:13:25] often have to we get to work in our

[4:13:27] teams and

[4:13:30] sometimes what we or we have to reach on

[4:13:33] the common goal. But if like I love

[4:13:36] science and then my colleague doesn't

[4:13:38] really love science. So sometimes I have

[4:13:40] to figure out how to

[4:13:42] like first of all read the grade level

[4:13:44] the state standards but then sometimes

[4:13:47] actually having to explain what the

[4:13:50] actual relevance and importance because

[4:13:51] I've had work with colleagues who are

[4:13:53] like well science isn't important we

[4:13:54] need to get just you know the bring the

[4:13:56] English the reading and the writing and

[4:13:57] that's all we need and the math like

[4:13:59] well we need those. However, the things

[4:14:01] that tend to keep people in school and

[4:14:04] enjoying the school are the social

[4:14:05] studies, the science, the music, the

[4:14:07] arts, the acting. So then just trying to

[4:14:09] help explain and trying to help them

[4:14:11] understand more of a of my perspective

[4:14:13] as I see it and trying to help

[4:14:14] understand what perspective they're

[4:14:17] coming from and trying to figure out a

[4:14:18] way I can try to find a connection or

[4:14:21] find that open door so I can try to meet

[4:14:23] them somewhere and say, "Oh, well, how

[4:14:24] about we could try like maybe this this

[4:14:26] is why we could incorporate what you're

[4:14:28] thinking of into more in the social studies in the math into

[4:14:33] the social math into the science and

[4:14:35] then just trying to figure out how we

[4:14:37] can try to actually reach that

[4:14:39] cooperation even though they may not see

[4:14:42] the importance of social studies or

[4:14:43] science and I do call it foundation.

[4:14:50] » Thank you.

[4:14:52] >> Uh so the last one is is there anything

[4:14:54] else you'd like to say about yourself

[4:14:56] that you feel is important for us to

[4:14:57] consider before we conclude your

[4:14:59] interview? um you have two minutes to

[4:15:01] give a closing closing statement. So

[4:15:02] that can be something we didn't touch on

[4:15:04] here or a different topic or or just um

[4:15:08] again anything that you want to state in

[4:15:11] the two minutes. Oh, well, something

[4:15:13] that was nice and easily observable is I

[4:15:16] tend to my mind will sometimes blank and

[4:15:20] then I'll have like the processing time

[4:15:21] a little bit later and then find like,

[4:15:23] oh my gosh, this was my perfect thing.

[4:15:25] But of course, time is like and so

[4:15:28] sometimes my processing time does not

[4:15:31] match whatever I actually sometimes

[4:15:33] need. But that's the joy of ADHD. Um,

[4:15:37] but then I really am in general a very

[4:15:39] thoughtful person and I like with city

[4:15:42] council and planning commission and all

[4:15:44] the other things. I really do love

[4:15:46] learning the different like the laws,

[4:15:47] the coding, listening to how somebody

[4:15:50] else might see something that I totally

[4:15:51] never noticed. It's like, oh my gosh,

[4:15:52] that makes so much sense. And then

[4:15:54] getting that fuller picture. So, one

[4:15:57] thing I really do love is just getting

[4:15:59] to have them, the conversations, the

[4:16:01] learning, the community, and the

[4:16:04] opportunity to keep learning and

[4:16:05] growing. Even though sometimes my timing

[4:16:07] can be very very bad,

[4:16:10] but I'm excited with whoever you guys go

[4:16:13] with because all was awesome too.

[4:16:17] [clears throat]

[4:16:18] >> Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Um,

[4:16:21] you've got couple. So, John, I think the

[4:16:24] next portion of this is you have some

[4:16:27] ballots that pass around and

[4:16:29] >> so I think if you wanted you could

[4:16:31] return to your seat.

[4:17:02] And I think I touched on this in the

[4:17:04] intro, but just so that folks in the

[4:17:06] room have some some visibility, we have

[4:17:08] two votes to distribute amongst the two

[4:17:10] candidates. Um, you can either place all

[4:17:13] of your votes under one candidate,

[4:17:14] distribute them amongst candidates. Um,

[4:17:17] after you vote, uh, I think we all have

[4:17:19] individual their title. We'll pass them around to the city clerk who

[4:17:25] will copy the results and move on from

[4:17:28] there.

[4:17:30] >> Mayor Pam, if I can remind the uh

[4:17:32] council members attending remotely to

[4:17:34] email their ballots as soon as they're

[4:17:37] done, please

[4:17:40] >> heard that. Council member Wiggins and

[4:17:41] Council Member Owen. All right.

[4:17:47] He's in Chicago.

[4:17:51] >> He's like, "Yes, I can hear you."

[4:18:01] be on fifth and

[4:18:17] » yeah

[4:18:24] they

[4:19:14] two

[4:19:26] time.

[4:19:36] I'm just waiting for one more

[4:20:08] Waiting for one.

[4:20:14] » Did they send it either or?

[4:20:16] >> Council member Wiggins did.

[4:20:18] >> Got it.

[4:20:24] » Mine is sent. It's just, you know,

[4:20:26] traveling long distance.

[4:20:29] [laughter]

[4:20:46] Yeah, it was pretty important back then.

[4:20:52] » Reminiscing of how it was brutal. You

[4:20:56] had to like verbally say and it was like

[4:20:59] >> if you could do that across

[4:21:00] >> Yeah. I mean public record but you know

[4:21:16] Yeah.

[4:21:16] >> Hit me in the head and get stuck in my

[4:21:18] hair.

[4:21:23] » Not as bad as that huge jumping spider

[4:21:24] we have in here.

[4:21:32] » I don't know.

[4:21:38] must be getting

[4:21:44] screenshots.

[4:21:45] >> Oh, yeah.

[4:21:46] >> Yeah, that's what

[4:21:48] >> Oh, never mind.

[4:21:51] >> You said something that

[4:21:58] » I apologize for my cough, by the way.

[4:22:00] I'm not sick. It's residue from the

[4:22:02] smoke from the

[4:22:03] >> I thought you should have said your

[4:22:04] coffee and I'm like I don't care if you

[4:22:05] drink.

[4:22:09] I don't know.

[4:22:17] » So I was like no judgment. [laughter]

[4:22:19] >> I can too.

[4:22:20] >> Yeah.

[4:22:23] >> All day and right before I go to bed.

[4:22:29] That's what made me realize that maybe

[4:22:31] you know

[4:22:32] >> there are reasons [laughter]

[4:22:40] [clears throat]

[4:22:41] >> for Kunamala three votes for Sarah

[4:22:44] Taylor seven votes.

[4:22:46] >> Okay.

[4:22:47] >> And like we have in you council member

[4:22:51] congratulates.

[4:22:53] >> Congrats and thanks to everyone who

[4:22:54] applied for that position. Um I So next

[4:22:58] up then would be swearing in U Sarah

[4:23:01] Taylor for council opening for position

[4:23:04] recruit.

[4:23:08] » Oh yes.

[4:23:10] >> Oh is it?

[4:23:13] I didn't see it on the Which one is

[4:23:16] I didn't see it on the

[4:23:32] » faster than me trying I don't know if

[4:23:33] there is

[4:23:57] it.

[4:24:07] Definitely.

[4:24:26] Whatever.

[4:24:36] me over.

[4:24:39] >> Um

[4:25:05] kind of figured out

[4:25:07] that would be a fun

[4:25:16] language.

[4:25:21] Do you want to come up here and then

[4:25:23] position while shot?

[4:25:59] So, I'll just basically leave something

[4:26:04] down because our former mayor was quite

[4:26:07] long, but I'm like, "No, but I can't do

[4:26:10] that."

[4:26:12] >> That's why we vote to extend that 9:30

[4:26:15] preference.

[4:26:18] So, I've done some my best work at 2

[4:26:20] a.m. So,

[4:26:23] >> yeah, it's pretty the recovery time for

[4:26:25] all nighters was different now.

[4:26:33] » Go ahead.

[4:26:34] >> I'm not picking.

[4:26:37] >> Okay. So, just this part here, right?

[4:26:41] >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So you'll raise

[4:26:45] your right hand and repeat after me. I,

[4:26:48] Sarah Taylor,

[4:26:49] >> Sarah Taylor,

[4:26:50] >> do solemnly swear

[4:26:52] >> or affirm

[4:26:54] >> that I will support the Constitution of

[4:26:56] the United States

[4:26:57] >> that I will support the Constitution of

[4:26:59] the United States

[4:27:00] >> and the Constitution and laws

[4:27:04] >> of the state of Washington

[4:27:06] >> state of Washington

[4:27:07] >> and all local ordinances

[4:27:08] >> all local ordinances

[4:27:10] >> and that I will faithfully and

[4:27:11] impartially

[4:27:12] >> I will faithfully and impartially

[4:27:14] >> perform and discharge the duties of the

[4:27:19] office of council member

[4:27:20] >> of the office of council member

[4:27:21] >> according to the law

[4:27:24] >> and the best of my ability

[4:27:26] congratulations welcome to you all city

[4:27:28] council

[4:27:32] » sign

[4:27:45] you keep this and I'll

[4:27:47] Thank you very much.

[4:27:50] >> Do you want a picture? We'll probably

[4:27:55] show your certific.

[4:28:00] » Oh, good. Okay. Do you just want one

[4:28:01] more just in case?

[4:28:04] >> Yeah. Are you a funny version of

[4:28:06] souvenir? [laughter]

[4:28:12] » Very much. And so now you actually get

[4:28:14] to sit at the table right now because

[4:28:17] you were on like this. [laughter]

[4:28:22] >> Okay. So with that we will now hold on.

[4:28:26] Let me get the script here. So

[4:28:27] >> you got another script to read.

[4:28:29] >> Yes.

[4:28:31] Get this right.

[4:28:31] >> Exactly.

[4:28:33] >> Okay.

[4:28:36] So welcome council me. Where are you?

[4:28:38] Council member Taylor. Um all right. We

[4:28:42] are going to the Duval City Council will

[4:28:45] now meet an executive session to discuss

[4:28:49] qualifications of an applicant for city

[4:28:51] council. Um as allowed by RCW42.30.110

[4:28:58] sub one subh. Um council will be in

[4:29:01] executive session until

[4:29:07] you want 20 minute.

[4:29:08] >> Yeah. 4 to 3. Um,

[4:29:11] >> can we should we start smaller council?

[4:29:13] Do you want to start shorter? Yeah, I'm

[4:29:15] seeing a nod for Mike. Um, should we

[4:29:17] start with 10 15 minutes and try to

[4:29:20] >> You think 15?

[4:29:21] >> 15. Yeah,

[4:29:22] >> I know we're going to end, but like

[4:29:23] let's just try. [laughter]

[4:29:25] >> Okay. So, we will the council will be in

[4:29:27] executive session until um 10:16 and I

[4:29:32] will notify the clerk if we need to

[4:29:33] extend

[4:29:44] Okay, back to session.

[4:43:01] Council

[4:43:11] will return from executive session at

[4:43:13] 226.

[4:52:53] Council

[4:53:00] will return from executive se session at

[4:53:03] 2236.

[5:03:38] Council

[5:03:52] will return from executive session at

[5:03:54] 2240.

[5:10:48] Council will return from executive

[5:10:50] session at 22:45.

[5:15:50] Council will return from executive

[5:15:51] session at 2250.

[5:20:40] Council

[5:20:51] will return from executive session at

[5:20:53] 2252.

[5:24:16] Um, is it okay? I know I'm reading. We

[5:24:19] should wait for Oh, it's just most So, I

[5:24:21] think we're we have quum, so we're okay.

[5:24:26] » Oh, okay. Sorry. No, it's

[5:24:31] » trying to modify.

[5:24:33] >> So, I call the Duval City regular

[5:24:36] council the Duval City Council regular

[5:24:38] meeting back to order at 10:53 p.m.

[5:24:43] And

[5:24:46] I'll turn it back over or I guess

[5:24:48] >> back over to Mayor Parton.

[5:24:50] >> Um, so similar this is a similar

[5:24:52] process. Uh just again for for the folks

[5:24:55] in the room, each council member has

[5:24:57] four votes. Um and so looks like the

[5:25:01] clerk has already marked out Sarah

[5:25:04] Taylor's name from here. Um so you'll

[5:25:08] have um

[5:25:10] four votes to distribute across the the

[5:25:13] four candidates. Um I think that's

[5:25:16] correct. Yep. And you can uh similar to

[5:25:19] the last one, you can distribute or you

[5:25:21] can place all your votes. Um

[5:25:24] actually sure. Yeah. Okay. Or distribute

[5:25:28] your votes between multiple candidates.

[5:25:29] That could be a little challenging for

[5:25:31] you'll have to add all this up but um

[5:25:34] and then similar you know once you you

[5:25:36] mark the matrix fold it in half and that

[5:25:40] works.

[5:26:19] a little

[5:26:24] an hour ago.

[5:26:39] Yeah, I know.

[5:26:43] » Finding the least bad way to do it.

[5:26:54] » Dancing.

[5:27:11] I know I totally close session. So

[5:27:20] » I'll get up for

[5:27:24] a while.

[5:27:34] an hour

[5:27:36] show you

[5:27:42] » just waiting for one more.

[5:27:44] >> Is it?

[5:27:47] It's not.

[5:27:54] Oh.

[5:27:58] I just like

[5:28:13] I promise. That's why I like my spirit

[5:28:16] almost broke when I remembered.

[5:28:18] [laughter]

[5:28:26] regularly and go till almost midnight.

[5:28:28] That mean

[5:28:29] >> really

[5:28:34] goes pretty regularly.

[5:28:36] >> Like they usually get 11 or 12:00

[5:28:39] >> and more last year went till the

[5:28:42] morning.

[5:28:44] >> We've had at least a couple this year

[5:28:45] where we got out before 8, I think.

[5:28:48] Right.

[5:28:48] >> Yeah.

[5:28:49] >> That happens next meeting, right?

[5:28:52] >> Okay.

[5:28:55] I will plan the we'll plan the agenda to

[5:28:58] be

[5:28:59] >> not like we're headed into budget

[5:29:01] season. What are you worried about?

[5:29:03] [laughter]

[5:29:05] >> The next my first real meeting is the

[5:29:07] first day of school.

[5:29:08] >> Oh. Oh yeah, that's right. It's

[5:29:10] September.

[5:29:12] >> I'm just happy when I get out and I can

[5:29:14] go to

[5:29:14] >> CeCe's

[5:29:16] for my high schooler because he doesn't

[5:29:18] the second because they're only going to

[5:29:20] crush and go the first day.

[5:29:23] My daughter will sell because she'll be

[5:29:24] great.

[5:29:29] » I'm in the Eastern time zone, so

[5:29:31] technically it's 2 am here.

[5:29:35] >> I was curious where

[5:29:38] >> I hope you can sleep in tomorrow.

[5:29:40] >> I hope so, too. I don't know. We have

[5:29:42] plans tomorrow afternoon, but I don't

[5:29:44] know how early we have to get up. Um,

[5:29:45] I'm just going to play dub and sleep

[5:29:47] until they make me get up. [laughter]

[5:29:50] >> Plan now.

[5:30:12] » [laughter]

[5:30:13] >> Jeffy music

[5:30:17] playing elevator

[5:30:26] Did anyone know there's a lot?

[5:30:40] » What do you want me to speak? Yes.

[5:30:44] >> Yeah. makes it a little easier.

[5:30:50] » Just like if you don't know the process,

[5:30:51] that's all

[5:30:56] » and nice big there were a couple,

[5:31:01] you know, because I think it's just

[5:31:02] enough, you know,

[5:31:07] [clears throat]

[5:31:27] For candidate Conway, seven votes,

[5:31:30] candidate Braer, seven votes for

[5:31:32] candidate Blueert, eight. And for

[5:31:35] candidate Mo, two votes.

[5:31:41] love you being able to narrow down in

[5:31:43] the single vote to three candidates.

[5:31:45] Appreciate it. And u yeah, as we sort of

[5:31:48] prefet at the beginning, there will be

[5:31:50] other opportunities for for folks and we

[5:31:53] hope um we appreciated the work that M

[5:31:56] has done on by

[5:31:59] commission. So yeah,

[5:32:01] >> all right. So next on our agenda, we

[5:32:04] will go into the Duval City Council will

[5:32:07] now meet in closed session to discuss

[5:32:11] Um

[5:32:12] sorry

[5:32:16] for I apologize.

[5:32:18] >> Consider

[5:32:19] which one uh 42314

[5:32:23] gay which is to consider um

[5:32:27] >> should be in the back.

[5:32:28] >> Okay. No, I know. I'm looking at that

[5:32:29] but

[5:32:31] >> Oh,

[5:32:31] >> sorry.

[5:32:32] >> Yeah.

[5:32:38] » Oh, is this

[5:32:43] I think I thought it was

[5:32:44] >> section sessions and executive sessions.

[5:32:49] >> Okay. So, did you say that one more

[5:32:51] time?

[5:32:51] >> Um, it's uh 423144A

[5:32:55] to consider um bargaining proposals for

[5:32:58] collective bargaining.

[5:32:59] >> Okay. So consider RC. So under

[5:33:03] RCW42.30.144A

[5:33:08] considerations for collective

[5:33:10] bargaining.

[5:33:11] >> That's paraphrasing. Yes.

[5:33:12] >> Oh, do I need to say it exactly or is it

[5:33:14] okay? Okay. Um, how long do you want?

[5:33:16] >> 10 minutes.

[5:33:18] >> Council will be in exe or close session

[5:33:20] until 112.

[5:44:38] Council will return from close session

[5:44:41] at 2317.

[5:48:18] All right. So, Dubal City Council is

[5:48:20] returning from close session at 11:17

[5:48:23] p.m. Next up on our agenda is we're

[5:48:27] going to reopen public comment.

[5:48:31] There is nobody in the audience. Um, and

[5:48:33] we only accept in person commentary. So,

[5:48:35] we will go ahead and close public

[5:48:36] comment. Lastly, is there anything for

[5:48:38] the good of the order?

[5:48:41] Not hearing any.

[5:48:44] >> So, with that, we will adjourn the Deval

[5:48:46] City Council meeting at 11:17 p.m. Thank

[5:48:49] you everyone. Have a good night.

August 18, 2026 Committee of the Whole Workshop and Regular Council Meeting

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