[0:10] >> [GAVEL]

[0:11] >> I call to order the City

[0:13] Council meeting of March 17,

[0:15] 2025. Roll call.

[0:17] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[0:29] >> Please stand for the Pledge

[0:31] of Allegiance.

[0:34] >>I pledge allegiance to the

[0:36] Flag of the United States of

[0:38] America and to the Republic for

[0:40] which it stands, one Nation

[0:42] under God, indivisible, with

[0:44] liberty and justice for all.

[0:47] >> Please remain standing

[0:56] for a moment of silence. Item

[0:57] two, Approval or changes or

[0:59] modifications to the agenda,

[1:01] seeing none at this time. Item

[1:03] 3, Approval of the minutes.

[1:05] Seeing none at this time. Item

[1:08] 4, presentation, proclamations,

[1:09] plaque certificates,

[1:11] or any donations. Seeing none

[1:13] at this time. Item 5,

[1:15] Citizens Comments. This is a

[1:17] time for the public

[1:18] to come forward

[1:19] with any concern,

[1:20] concerns and comments they may

[1:22] have. Please make your comment.

[1:23] If it is related

[1:24] to an agenda matter. The time

[1:26] that that matter is

[1:28] before the council. Please

[1:29] limit your comments

[1:30] to three minutes or less.

[1:31] Please state your name and

[1:33] address.

[1:38] >> Yes, I'm first and I'm

[1:41] short. Can you hear me? Okay.

[1:43] My name's Beverly Palmer, and

[1:45] I'm here to represent

[1:47] Edgewater Union Church. If you

[1:49] don't know, it happens

[1:51] to be the oldest church in

[1:53] Edgewater. It's built next

[1:55] to the cemetery on Route 1.

[1:59] And I'm here to invite the

[2:00] council and anyone who would

[2:02] love to come. We're having a

[2:04] birthday cookout on April 12,

[2:06] the anniversary

[2:07] of our church starting 113

[2:11] years ago. So that's all. I've

[2:13] already put in

[2:14] for a proclamation, hoping that

[2:16] the bear can come and anyone

[2:18] who would love to come.

[2:20] Anyone. So, it's going

[2:21] to be advertised more,

[2:23] but I'm here

[2:24] to hand you invitations.

[2:25] >> Well, thank you so much. If

[2:26] you could please hand us the

[2:27] invitations, but also please

[2:29] send the information

[2:30] to the city clerk to put it

[2:31] on our calendars as well,

[2:33] please. Thank you.

[2:37] >> If she would just give me

[2:38] the invites, I'll make sure you

[2:40] all get them. If you just give

[2:41] me the invites, I'll make sure

[2:42] that they get them.

[2:43] >> Thank you so much. Thank you

[2:46] for all you do. It really is a

[2:48] lovely church and a lovely

[2:50] organization.

[2:54] >> I'll be there.

[2:56] >> Thank you very much.

[3:00] >> You're welcome.

[3:16] >> I'm not sure how I can

[3:19] compete with that. Thank you.

[3:21] So my name is Dan Knight. 2290

[3:24] Elegant Manor. Circle

[3:27] Reference, Ordinance 2025 O06.

[3:31] Specifically that ordinance you

[3:32] guys are.

[3:35] >> If that is on the agenda,

[3:36] could you please write

[3:38] before the matter is

[3:40] before the council?

[3:41] >> Yeah, that's okay. No,

[3:43] Problem. We just request that

[3:44] you comment if the matter is

[3:46] coming before the council. If

[3:47] it's on the agenda,

[3:49] so do it then

[3:50] during the public hearing.

[3:52] Thank you.

[4:08] >> Edgewater. Chuck Martin,

[4:10] 205 Cherry Wood Lane,

[4:12] Edgewater. Proud

[4:16] to announce that I've applied

[4:18] for the city manager position

[4:19] in the city of Edgewater. I

[4:24] feel that my 42 going on 43

[4:26] years of experience

[4:29] in public works, solid waste,

[4:31] hazardous waste operations,

[4:33] fighting brush fires

[4:36] with the county and just being

[4:39] in the construction field and

[4:41] managing, you know,

[4:42] jobs and positions and stuff

[4:45] like that, being around here

[4:52] forever qualifies me. So I met

[4:54] the qualifications to apply, I

[4:55] applied,

[4:57] it was accepted and it's

[5:01] under review. And I feel

[5:03] like if it gets

[5:05] to where it needs to go that I

[5:07] would hope that I would have

[5:10] the votes on the council

[5:11] to move forward

[5:17] with this position. Then I

[5:21] would be working for you guys

[5:23] and I think that would be

[5:38] great. Did have one other

[5:43] comment because I've had a lot

[5:44] of people talking to me about

[5:46] it and I thought I would ask

[5:47] maybe we could get some

[5:48] clarification

[5:51] from if the mayor would ask

[5:53] Mr. Wolf, give some

[5:55] clarification on the use

[5:57] of city vehicles

[6:00] on personal time. I think, you

[6:01] know, some of it's loud

[6:03] like you know, on Mr.

[6:05] Thurman, you know, he drives

[6:07] out vehicle but that's. He's

[6:09] allowed to do that,

[6:10] so I'm sure he's able

[6:13] to do that. But as far as

[6:14] cities employees using city

[6:16] vehicles for personal use

[6:17] on personal time, I kind

[6:18] of wonder how that would work

[6:20] with our insurance and is that

[6:22] allowed? Maybe our HR director

[6:25] can answer that. I just kind

[6:27] of want some clarification

[6:29] on that.

[6:32] >> Thank you, sir,

[6:34] for your comments. We'll make

[6:37] sure to get that answered

[6:38] for you.

[6:39] >> Well, is that something that

[6:40] maybe they could answer now or

[6:41] typically this is.

[6:43] >> Your time to address the

[6:44] council and typically you can

[6:46] talk to the directors and

[6:48] City Manager and council.

[6:51] >> Of course,

[6:53] after the meeting.

[6:55] >> Could maybe somebody send me

[6:56] an email

[6:58] with that that can also.

[7:00] Okay, I'd like

[7:01] to have an email.

[7:02] >> And they've got my emails.

[7:04] Thank you.

[7:05] >> Thank you, sir,

[7:06] for your comments. It's

[7:08] appreciated.

[7:17] >> Jim Lovegren, 182 Jones

[7:19] Fish Camp Road. First I want

[7:21] to start off, I want to thank

[7:23] Ron, Ryan Solstice and the

[7:24] staff for holding the community

[7:26] workshops that they've been

[7:27] holding

[7:28] for the last two months. Been

[7:34] very informative and I think

[7:37] very thoughtful and considerate

[7:38] for the community

[7:39] to learn something

[7:40] about zoning and so forth.

[7:41] It's been excellent. So my.

[7:42] Thanks. Ryan. I want to bring

[7:44] up an issue here that many

[7:46] of the homeowners in

[7:47] Riverfront Estates are now

[7:48] experiencing, and that is

[7:49] shoddy construction. We're

[7:52] watching as houses, and they're

[7:55] just finishing up the last

[7:56] couple here, but they're

[7:58] pouring concrete slabs and they

[7:59] are putting up brick walls

[8:01] three or four days

[8:02] after the slab is poured, which

[8:04] is not giving the concrete

[8:06] enough time to cure.

[8:07] Consequently, within months,

[8:09] we're seeing cracks

[8:11] in our walls. I have

[8:13] at least eight in mind, and

[8:15] at least three

[8:17] of them are step cracks,

[8:18] which are generally a sign of

[8:20] foundation shifting. I don't

[8:22] know whether they're

[8:24] compressing the dirt

[8:26] before they do anything either.

[8:27] You know, I mean, what's going

[8:29] on here? But there's certainly

[8:30] shoddy construction, and I

[8:32] don't know how a building

[8:33] inspector could let this go by.

[8:35] We've seen no curing

[8:37] of the concrete with water

[8:39] over the next couple of days

[8:41] of pouring it. One of my

[8:42] neighbors told me that they ran

[8:44] into the person that was or one

[8:46] of the people that was pouring

[8:47] the concrete and that they're

[8:49] watering the concrete

[8:50] down so that it's easier

[8:52] to spread. That weakens the

[8:53] concrete and requires a longer

[8:56] curing time. So we got a really

[8:58] serious situation here where

[9:00] our houses are not what they

[9:02] were supposed to be because

[9:04] of shoddy construction. So I

[9:06] don't know, really. It needs

[9:09] to be looked into. It's just

[9:11] not a good thing. It's not a

[9:12] good thing.

[9:17] >> Thank you, sir, for. Do you

[9:18] have anything else?

[9:20] >> Yes I also

[9:23] want to bring in to the issue

[9:25] the gopher tortoise situation

[9:27] on River Oaks,

[9:28] on that property lot there,

[9:30] I ran into two months ago.

[9:31] And Charlotte, you were

[9:33] over there with your husband.

[9:34] You. We counted 50 boroughs,

[9:36] right? There was an

[9:37] environmental consultant there

[9:39] within a month after that,

[9:41] and she counted 80 burrows.

[9:43] Now, she told me,

[9:45] because I went and talked to

[9:46] her and she told me there that

[9:48] there was a previous inspection

[9:51] done here

[9:52] within the last two years,

[9:54] and they counted seven. How do

[9:56] you miss that many gopher

[9:58] tortoises? You don't. Unless

[9:59] there is a financial incentive,

[10:01] obviously, to miss those

[10:02] turtles because it costs a lot

[10:04] of money to remove them and

[10:05] relocate them. So you add that

[10:08] into the Riverfront Estates

[10:11] lot, which I am told

[10:12] by a long time resident there,

[10:14] that that place had just as

[10:15] many tortoise tortoises

[10:18] in it. They relocated

[10:19] eight or nine.

[10:22] >> Thank you, sir,

[10:24] for your comments. It's truly

[10:25] appreciated.

[10:26] >> Could you please fill A

[10:28] contact card out in the back.

[10:29] Would love

[10:30] to get your phone number.

[10:31] >> Thank you.

[10:39] >> Okay. Item six,

[10:40] council reports. Councilwoman

[10:44] Dolbow, I have nothing

[10:46] at this time. Councilwoman

[10:49] Gillis, I have nothing at this

[10:51] time. I also have nothing

[10:53] at this time. Item seven,

[10:54] consent agenda. Is there a

[10:55] motion to approve the consent

[10:56] agenda? I would like

[10:58] to pull an item

[11:00] for discussion. Which item is

[11:02] that to pull? Item 7B.

[11:05] >> Okay. I'd also like to pull

[11:07] 7A and just so it could be

[11:08] explained. It's a great.

[11:11] It's. It's a great. It's a

[11:13] great thing that we're doing.

[11:16] And I just want to get on the

[11:18] record so that the residents

[11:20] know what the city is doing as

[11:22] far as the lining.

[11:23] >> Great. Is there a motion to

[11:24] approve the consent agenda

[11:25] minus item 7A and 7B?

[11:27] >> Make a motion to approve the

[11:28] consent agenda minus A and B.

[11:31] >> Second

[11:33] >> Roll call.

[11:38] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[11:44] >> Item 7A, CD BG sewer lining

[11:47] project engineering staff,

[11:48] could you give us an update

[11:49] on that, please?

[11:52] >> Dan, would you address that,

[11:54] please?

[12:01] >> This, the sewer lining is a

[12:03] CDBG grant that we're moving

[12:06] forward with. We have Jeffrey

[12:08] Winters here tonight to talk

[12:12] on that a little bit. We'll be

[12:14] doing approximately,

[12:18] I think. I think it's 78

[12:20] manholes and lining sewers

[12:23] from the booster station or

[12:31] Park Avenue booster station

[12:32] south

[12:35] about four blocks towards the.

[12:37] Towards one. They'll be coming

[12:43] in. This is a $50,000 match

[12:45] on a grant that is roughly

[12:51] $750,000. So it's a low income

[12:56] area. It's an area that we see

[12:58] a lot of infiltration,

[13:00] influx and infiltration,

[13:02] or ini. It's really going

[13:04] to help out the water plant as

[13:06] well as all of the citizens

[13:09] in that area.

[13:13] >> Great. Thank you. Any

[13:14] comments? Is there a motion

[13:17] to approve item 7A

[13:19] of the consent agenda?

[13:21] >> Make a motion to approve 7A

[13:23] of the agenda, the CDBG sewer

[13:24] lining project and engineering.

[13:25] >> Second

[13:29] >> Roll call. Mayor DePew, this

[13:32] is a tremendous thing. I'm glad

[13:33] we're moving forward with this.

[13:37] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[13:41] >> Okay. Item 7B, purchase

[13:42] of meters,

[13:44] pipe fittings and other for the

[13:46] water and wastewater operations

[13:47] and management staff report.

[13:50] >> Dan, would you also address

[13:51] this?

[13:54] >> This is just our standard

[13:58] items that we use throughout

[14:00] the year. It's a blanket

[14:01] purchase or. Yeah, blanket

[14:03] purchase order with two

[14:05] of the contractors. Things that

[14:10] you would see in our inventory

[14:12] throughout and used throughout

[14:14] the year.

[14:19] >> Great. Council comments.

[14:21] >> I guess my concern is I

[14:23] brought it up a couple times

[14:24] that there's been residents'

[14:25] concerns

[14:26] about the meters themselves.

[14:28] So, I and I've brought up

[14:29] having those looked into in the

[14:30] future and you said we would

[14:31] talk about that later. I guess

[14:33] my concern is just green

[14:35] lighting, purchasing more

[14:36] of them. If I'm concerned that

[14:40] there is an issue with some

[14:41] of them.

[14:42] >> These aren't strictly

[14:44] meters. It's also pipes,

[14:45] saddles, different connections

[14:46] for our water and wastewater

[14:50] field operations and wastewater

[14:53] collections groups.

[14:59] >> I will say that I brought

[15:01] this up, I believe at the last

[15:04] council meeting. I have had

[15:06] some residents concerns come

[15:09] forward also as Ms. Gillis and

[15:11] I'm sure Councilman Dolbow's

[15:13] heard before about the meters.

[15:15] I'm not saying that every meter

[15:18] is bad or the brand that we're

[15:20] using is faulty, but I would

[15:21] like to just workshop our

[15:23] utility bill like we discussed

[15:24] at the last meeting

[15:26] to move forward

[15:28] with that as well. Just stating

[15:29] that for the record that there

[15:30] has been concerns brought

[15:32] forward about the meters, but

[15:34] this is involving others as

[15:35] well.

[15:38] >> I am going to recommend a

[15:40] workshop tremendous. And any

[15:44] specific address and citizen

[15:48] customer. We will fully

[15:52] investigate it and come down

[15:55] to the what is the cause,

[15:57] whether it be usage,

[15:58] whether it be a leak

[16:00] behind the meter. Those are the

[16:01] only two options because of the

[16:04] type meter that we're using.

[16:06] It's a pass through, it's not a

[16:08] mechanical. I don't want

[16:10] to get into the gory details

[16:12] but it's a pass through,

[16:13] not a mechanical. So there's

[16:15] not a mechanical something

[16:16] to wear out. But we will if,

[16:18] if we get an address and a

[16:20] name, we will investigate every

[16:22] single last concern.

[16:31] >> Awesome. If you had a guess,

[16:33] just an estimation. How many

[16:35] meters is this approving

[16:36] to purchase for the year?

[16:37] >> This is just a blankets so

[16:39] it could be fittings,

[16:41] it could be meters,

[16:43] anything that they need to

[16:44] to do their job

[16:46] in the field.

[16:49] >> Gotcha. Thank you.

[16:51] >> Thank you.

[16:52] >> But the majority of this is

[16:53] for everything else. And this

[16:55] is not like green lighting a

[16:56] very large amount of meters.

[16:57] Correct?

[16:59] >> Correct.

[17:00] >> Correct.

[17:01] >> Okay. Is there a motion

[17:03] to approve item 7B of the

[17:04] Consent agenda?

[17:05] >> Make a motion

[17:07] to approve set agenda item B,

[17:10] purchase of meters, pipes,

[17:12] fittings and other aquatics for

[17:14] water and wastewater operations

[17:15] and maintenance.

[17:18] >> I'll second it.

[17:19] But I just,

[17:21] I do want that addressed in at

[17:23] a future time. I know business

[17:24] needs to go forward as far as

[17:25] everything else.

[17:27] >> Please call the roll.

[17:29] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[17:34] >> Item eight, Public hearing

[17:35] Ordinances and resolutions.

[17:36] Item eight, a Public notice

[17:38] in household income

[17:39] Verification survey. Florida

[17:41] Small Cities Community

[17:42] Development Block Grant CDBG

[17:45] Program Staff report and

[17:46] Presentation.

[17:51] >> We're very excited

[17:53] to maybe take advantage

[17:55] of another opportunity

[17:56] through the Florida Commerce

[17:58] for a $750,000 grant from

[18:00] Florida Small Cities

[18:01] Community Development Block

[18:04] Grant CDBG program. Looking to

[18:07] do some additional sewer lining

[18:08] and for areas of low income or

[18:10] identified low income and

[18:12] really looking forward

[18:13] to participating,

[18:15] potentially taking advantage

[18:17] of this opportunity. And we do

[18:19] have a presentation.

[18:21] >> My name is Jeffrey Winter

[18:22] with Cornerstone Community

[18:24] Partners. It's an honor

[18:26] to appear

[18:32] before you all this evening.

[18:37] Just to reiterate what we're

[18:41] here today is

[18:42] for the first public hearing

[18:44] for a prospective application

[18:45] to the FFY 2324 C CDBG program.

[18:48] The first public hearing. The

[18:51] purpose is to make the public

[18:52] aware that the city is

[18:53] interested in applying

[18:54] to the program,

[18:56] to briefly explain the types

[18:58] of categories of funding

[18:59] in which a city could apply,

[19:01] and then to open the floor

[19:02] for public comments

[19:04] on prospective projects. To

[19:06] briefly cover the four

[19:07] categories

[19:08] for this CDBG program, the

[19:10] first category is commercial

[19:12] revitalization. Typical

[19:13] projects funded through the

[19:15] commercial revitalization

[19:16] category include facilities

[19:17] facade improvements and

[19:18] streetscape improvements to a

[19:20] designated downtown district.

[19:21] Second category would be the

[19:23] economic development category.

[19:24] This makes funding available

[19:25] for communities to provide

[19:27] infrastructure improvements

[19:28] in support of a business to

[19:30] either create or retain jobs.

[19:31] Third category would be the

[19:33] neighborhood revitalization.

[19:34] That is the same category

[19:37] of funding in which the sewer

[19:39] lining re project is currently

[19:43] funded. It covers

[19:46] infrastructure improvements

[19:48] throughout the city, with the

[19:49] fourth category being the

[19:51] housing rehabilitation category

[19:52] where in that category funding

[19:53] is made available

[19:55] to rehabilitate, in some cases

[19:57] demolish and reconstruct homes

[19:58] for low to moderate income

[20:00] persons throughout the

[20:02] community. That being said,

[20:03] I'd be happy

[20:05] to turn the floor back over

[20:06] to solicit public comment.

[20:08] >> Thank you, sir. We

[20:09] appreciate you open a public

[20:11] hearing. Citizens Comments

[20:13] Council comments I think it's

[20:19] great.

[20:21] >> $750,000 is the grant. Will

[20:23] it be any kind of a match

[20:26] for this cycle alone? They've

[20:28] waived the $750,000 maximum.

[20:29] There is no cap

[20:31] on the funding. We've had city

[20:33] staff propose some projects

[20:34] that are being considered

[20:35] around the tune of around 1.5

[20:38] million in terms of matching.

[20:39] It's not mandatory. However, we

[20:41] do anticipate it will be a

[20:42] competitive cycle. So we would

[20:44] encourage the commitment of

[20:45] $50,000 in leverage

[20:47] to go towards this.

[20:48] >> Project and we've identified

[20:50] that. I'm sorry Dan, would you

[21:01] update us on where they this

[21:04] potential projects are

[21:07] for this grant?

[21:14] >> We're looking at some 2 inch

[21:16] galvanized line replacement

[21:18] on the northwest portion

[21:20] of the city there. Our goal is

[21:23] to eliminate all of the 2 inch

[21:27] galvanized. That's a lot

[21:29] of our rust, a lot

[21:31] of our worst lines,

[21:32] worst areas. On top

[21:36] of that we're also looking

[21:39] at eliminating some of the

[21:42] original air relief valves

[21:44] for the wastewater system.

[21:45] Basically an ARV you have

[21:47] to get rid of air. You have

[21:50] pockets

[21:53] of air which causes pressure,

[21:56] which causes your pumps and.

[21:57] And things not

[21:59] to flow as easy. So you have

[22:01] to bleed off the gases,

[22:02] the air. And we have 13 ARVs

[22:05] that are original to the system

[22:08] that have the potential if

[22:10] anything were to happen

[22:13] to them it would take a lot of.

[22:16] We'd have a lot of downtime and

[22:17] emergency repairs. And so we're

[22:20] looking

[22:22] at identifying them and,

[22:23] and any other ARVs. Also

[22:25] looking

[22:26] at some plant equipment,

[22:28] possibly just looking around

[22:29] to be to make sure we use the

[22:31] CDBG funding as efficient as

[22:38] possible.

[22:42] >> Thank you, Dan.

[22:43] >> The one thing

[22:45] about this one though, it has

[22:46] to be pretty much designed

[22:48] already. We would go further

[22:50] with a lot more galvanized

[22:54] replacement.

[22:55] But it's something you've got

[22:57] to have engineering and bidding

[22:58] or estimates done and ready.

[23:01] So we can only do so much

[23:03] in that area this time.

[23:05] >> Thank you Dan.

[23:08] >> Well, I want to thank staff

[23:11] for seeing this opportunity and

[23:12] pouncing on this so quickly.

[23:17] Any kind of grant opportunities

[23:19] and state appropriations that

[23:21] we can find is always a

[23:22] tremendous thing. I want

[23:24] to thank our grant writer.

[23:26] We're at over $30 million

[23:28] of funding in grants alone. So

[23:29] she's doing a tremendous job,

[23:31] tremendous department. I'm glad

[23:33] that the council has supported

[23:34] that department or that part of

[23:37] our city and getting a part

[23:40] time clerkship will help us

[23:42] with more funding. So this is a

[23:43] tremendous opportunity

[23:45] to bring back some funding

[23:47] to the city

[23:49] for separate areas, any kind

[23:52] of watershed. This will help

[23:54] tremendously. So appreciate

[23:55] staff and all you have done

[23:57] to pounce

[23:59] on this opportunity. Any

[24:01] further comments? Is there a

[24:03] motion to approve?

[24:05] >> Make a motion to approve

[24:07] public notice and household

[24:08] income verification survey

[24:11] Florida Small Cities

[24:13] Community Development Block

[24:14] Grant.

[24:16] >> Do we want to take public

[24:17] comment?

[24:20] >> There was not.

[24:21] >> Second.

[24:23] >> Okay, roll call.

[24:26] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[24:31] >> Okay. Item 8B,

[24:33] second reading ordinance number

[24:35] 2025 dash O05, request

[24:37] for approval for amendments,

[24:39] Article 3, Article 6 and

[24:40] Article 20 of the Land

[24:42] Development Code. Please read

[24:43] into the record OR in.

[24:45] >> Summer 2025005 and

[24:47] Ordinance of the City of

[24:48] Edgewater, Florida, amending

[24:49] Article 3, permitted

[24:50] conditional accessory and

[24:52] prohibited uses. Article 6

[24:53] Sign Regulations, Article 20

[24:54] Ridgewood Avenue Quarter

[24:56] Design Regulations of Chapter

[24:57] 21, Land Development Code

[24:59] providing

[25:01] for conflicting provision,

[25:02] severability and applicability

[25:03] providing for an effective date

[25:04] adoption and codification.

[25:05] >> Thank you. Staff report.

[25:06] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This

[25:07] is a second reading. There have

[25:08] been no text amendments change

[25:09] done

[25:11] between the first and second.

[25:12] Just to recap, this is changes

[25:13] to Article 3, Article 6 and

[25:14] Article 20 of the Land

[25:16] Development Code to allow for

[25:17] feather flags and the

[25:19] freestanding banner sign per

[25:21] business tax receipt in their

[25:22] respective zoning districts.

[25:24] Be happy

[25:25] to answer any questions.

[25:27] >> And let me just say, since

[25:28] there's only three members

[25:30] present tonight, the city

[25:31] charter requires three votes to

[25:33] pass an ordinance or

[25:34] resolution. So your votes to

[25:36] pass the ordinances and

[25:37] resolutions

[25:38] on the agenda only will need

[25:40] to be unanimous tonight.

[25:42] >> Thank you. Okay. Open a

[25:43] public hearing. Citizens

[25:47] Comments.

[25:50] >> Council comments Ryan, I do

[25:51] have a couple questions. Do we

[25:52] have a restriction on how many

[25:54] flags and banners if it passes,

[25:56] can be for example

[25:58] in a plaza, say there's 20

[25:59] stores.

[26:03] >> No. So you're allowed one

[26:04] per business per each

[26:06] of the types of these type

[26:07] of temporary signs. They follow

[26:10] the same regulations. You have

[26:11] to bring it in when you're not

[26:13] in hours operation. But no,

[26:14] there's no beyond those hours

[26:18] of operation. There's not a

[26:20] spacing requirement or anything

[26:21] of that nature.

[26:24] >> Okay, that's, that's kind

[26:25] of where I have the problem,

[26:26] especially

[26:27] with the banners. I went

[26:28] down US one and just

[26:29] for the bike week

[26:31] on the right hand side in US

[26:32] 1, there was three banners kind

[26:33] of just weirdly stuck in a,

[26:34] in a, in a spot and,

[26:36] and it didn't look very good.

[26:38] Just

[26:39] with poles. I'm thinking, oh,

[26:41] gosh, I can't imagine, you

[26:43] know, having multiple

[26:44] businesses, especially

[26:45] in a plaza, you know, having

[26:46] the feather flags and then

[26:47] having these,

[26:49] these banners and going down

[26:51] 50, if you're going 55 or

[26:52] whatever,

[26:53] the speed limit might be 45.

[26:55] You know,

[26:56] how are the residents going

[26:57] to be able to read all these

[26:58] banners and all these specials

[27:00] and see the feather flag that

[27:01] might say coffee or donuts or

[27:02] whatever? I don't know if it's

[27:03] even going

[27:04] to be a distraction. I'm just,

[27:06] I'm so for the feather flags.

[27:08] I'm not so much

[27:09] for the banners. And I just

[27:10] wanted to point that out. I

[27:11] just think it's going

[27:13] to be a cluster. If even half

[27:14] of the businesses

[27:15] in a strip mall decide

[27:16] to take advantage of the

[27:18] feather flag and the banner,

[27:19] I think it's going to lose,

[27:20] it's going to lose its power

[27:22] because we're not, you know,

[27:23] we're not going to be able to

[27:25] read everything as we're going

[27:27] down the road. So that's my,

[27:28] that's my concern

[27:29] with the banners.

[27:31] >> We've talked

[27:33] about this now three times,

[27:34] gave updated,

[27:35] gave a recommendation

[27:36] at the council workshop. We've

[27:38] had our first reading. I think

[27:39] we've. So I'll talk about that

[27:41] as concerns moving forward.

[27:43] But I guess my comment

[27:45] to that is, you know,

[27:49] they clearly were not in code.

[27:52] I think that not every business

[27:54] is going to, just because

[27:57] there's an ordinance

[27:58] out there, choose to follow

[27:59] that ordinance. I don't think

[28:02] that everyone can. Is

[28:04] necessarily going to do it all

[28:06] at the same, same time. I,

[28:07] I just don't think it's,

[28:09] everyone's going to do it

[28:11] at the same time. I, I think

[28:13] that they should still have the

[28:15] opportunity. Maybe I'll,

[28:16] I'll counter with you. Or if

[28:18] there's more than 15 units in,

[28:22] in one plaza,

[28:25] that they have the option

[28:26] of one or the other. But I, I

[28:29] don't, I don't, I don't think

[28:31] that everybody is going

[28:32] to utilize this ordinance.

[28:35] >> And, and you might be right.

[28:36] I'm just, I wanted

[28:38] to put the what if? Because

[28:40] once it's passed, it's going

[28:41] to, it's going to, we'll need

[28:43] another code enforcement person

[28:44] just to enforce all the, all

[28:45] the banners that are sideways.

[28:46] And I don't know, I just, I

[28:47] just, I just don't know that

[28:49] having the banners and the

[28:51] flags is what we need maybe.

[28:52] And, or like you said, if

[28:54] there's, if there's. Even so if

[28:55] we have, you know, 20

[28:57] businesses and even if 12

[28:58] decide they want

[29:00] to do the banners, I don't,

[29:01] just don't know if people are

[29:02] going to, if it's going

[29:04] to do get the bang

[29:05] for the buck. Because if people

[29:07] aren't going to be able

[29:08] to read, you know,

[29:09] everything that might be

[29:11] on a banner, a flag, it's fun,

[29:12] you know,

[29:13] it can say coffee or waffles

[29:15] or, you know, whatever,

[29:16] and people are going

[29:18] to understand that. And you

[29:19] could probably have, you know,

[29:21] 12 flags flying and it wouldn't

[29:22] be as much of a distraction, I

[29:24] think, as the big banners. And

[29:25] when I saw the banners during

[29:27] Bike Week, I thought

[29:29] to myself, I said, oh gosh,

[29:30] that's gonna look terrible if

[29:32] we have half

[29:33] of the people take advantage

[29:35] of it. They were just two

[29:36] by four stuck in the ground.

[29:38] Nothing. It didn't look nice.

[29:39] It wasn't appealing.

[29:41] >> Well, we didn't have the

[29:42] ordinance enacted.

[29:43] >> Yes, they just did it.

[29:45] But what is going to stop

[29:46] someone once we pass this

[29:48] ordinance if it passes for

[29:49] Booth? Well, I'm just doing

[29:50] that.

[29:51] >> There's an ordinance

[29:52] written. So that would,

[29:53] that would have a code

[29:55] to be enforced. Not just that

[29:56] you can't have it. So I mean,

[29:58] there would be rules and

[30:00] regulations written

[30:01] in stone.

[30:02] >> Like the poles would be

[30:04] painted or a certain size. I

[30:05] mean, I don't know, just it was

[30:06] thrown together quickly. And

[30:07] you're right, it was. The code

[30:08] wasn't. Or the ordinance wasn't

[30:09] passed yet they were doing it,

[30:11] which is fine. But I just,

[30:12] I just looked at it, thought

[30:14] just it didn't look good. It

[30:16] wasn't appealing, it wasn't

[30:17] classy, but it just looked

[30:19] like it was just stuck out

[30:21] there and hopefully people will

[30:23] read it and come in. I don't

[30:24] know, I just. It wasn't.

[30:26] >> Well, how about, how about,

[30:29] how about the recommend? Was.

[30:31] Was it a homemade banner?

[30:33] >> No, the banner was not

[30:34] homemade. It was printed. It

[30:35] was like you get

[30:37] from a distributor, like, hey,

[30:38] I need beer or wine or whatever

[30:39] it might have said. So no,

[30:40] it wasn't like hand campaign.

[30:41] Okay.

[30:44] >> I think also what some

[30:45] of the people are putting out

[30:46] for Bike Week

[30:47] to last a week is not going

[30:48] to be the same thing. Other

[30:49] businesses are going

[30:50] to be putting

[30:51] out year long.

[30:52] >> But I guess What I'm going

[30:53] at is the look, not what the.

[30:55] With the. The banner said, you

[30:56] know,

[30:57] because it could say anything.

[30:58] It's just how it looks.

[30:59] >> So I guess my point was more

[31:00] so. I mean, bike week is more

[31:01] for somebody was like

[31:02] installing that temporarily and

[31:03] not as what they're using

[31:05] to advertise

[31:06] for their business

[31:07] on a regular basis. So maybe it

[31:08] was thrown

[31:09] out haphazardly.

[31:12] >> It was definitely, I guess

[31:14] how would we be able to. Or

[31:16] code enforcement had to say,

[31:17] and once they start sticking

[31:18] them up there, it's going

[31:20] to be a busy job.

[31:22] >> Well, they'd have

[31:23] to follow the ordinance. And I

[31:24] think our code enforcement

[31:26] officers do a good job

[31:27] at going around in the small

[31:30] businesses and making sure that

[31:31] every ordinance is inactive. I

[31:33] know five he went

[31:34] to this week and it's only.

[31:36] Well, actually today it's only

[31:37] Monday.

[31:39] >> Do you think there would be

[31:40] an issue

[31:41] with the banners taking them

[31:42] down every night? That's a lot

[31:43] of work. A flag you can pull

[31:44] out the ground and, you know,

[31:45] put it inside the bag.

[31:46] >> That's why I think not

[31:47] everyone's going

[31:49] to utilize it.

[31:53] >> So we did the pilot program

[31:55] before and it ran

[31:57] for a while. You know, this

[32:00] one, you could always schedule

[32:02] a workshop

[32:03] for a certain date. Right. And

[32:04] that way then it's

[32:06] on the books for a workshop.

[32:07] And then if there's issues

[32:09] at that time, then you can have

[32:11] the workshop and discuss it

[32:13] again.

[32:14] >> And then what we were saying

[32:16] is if this passes tonight and

[32:17] goes forward and then we start

[32:19] having issues and, you know,

[32:20] we're not happy

[32:22] with how the city looks going

[32:23] down us one, not

[32:24] like a circus. We could say,

[32:25] okay, we need to workshop this

[32:27] and maybe tweak it. And it's a

[32:28] possibility.

[32:29] >> Yeah. And it takes what's

[32:31] two meetings,

[32:32] two council meetings a month.

[32:33] Takes about two months

[32:34] to get an ordinance passed now,

[32:36] so before it was three

[32:38] to four. So, you know, it's a

[32:39] little bit quicker than it was

[32:41] the last time.

[32:42] >> Well, I'm willing,

[32:44] especially if we can go back if

[32:45] we're not happy

[32:46] with it. I just wanted to put

[32:47] out there that I wasn't

[32:49] comfortable with both flags and

[32:51] banners. I just thought one or

[32:52] the other would be great.

[32:53] But I, you know,

[32:54] having both sides

[32:55] of the street lined up

[32:57] with things, it could be

[32:59] distracting and the business

[33:00] might not get what they are

[33:01] wanting to get out of it.

[33:03] >> Do you have a number, and

[33:05] probably, Bridget, about

[33:07] approximately how many small

[33:09] businesses or businesses

[33:11] in general we have in the city

[33:12] of Edgewater

[33:13] on the commercial.

[33:14] >> Front, I want to say,

[33:18] I want to say 1200.

[33:20] >> 1200, yeah. That's

[33:21] businesses total or just

[33:23] on the commercial?

[33:24] >> That would be businesses

[33:26] total. In and

[33:28] around that number.

[33:31] >> Great. That's expanded

[33:33] since 2022. That's wonderful.

[33:36] And even last year.

[33:38] >> Okay. So are there any

[33:39] further comments or questions?

[33:45] >> I have one more question.

[33:48] So, would council be willing

[33:50] to get going on the flags,

[33:53] get that passed and then,

[33:54] and then visit the banners

[33:56] after like six months,

[33:57] see how the flags take

[34:00] off and see what it does? The

[34:02] businesses may be happy, you

[34:04] know, with the flags the way

[34:06] they are, and we can visit the

[34:07] banners another time.

[34:08] >> I just. Why don't we make

[34:09] the suggestion

[34:10] to take table then? Because I

[34:11] think that there's a couple

[34:13] questions, but I mean, I, I, I

[34:14] think that it should be left up

[34:15] to the business owner

[34:18] to decide. If you want to. I

[34:19] just think maybe we could table

[34:20] it

[34:22] for further discussion.

[34:24] >> Okay. And, and,

[34:26] or one or the other. I just,

[34:30] and then if it's a plaza, I

[34:31] don't know how we could put a

[34:32] limit. Like you said,

[34:33] most not going to be 20 units,

[34:35] 20 flags, 20 banners.

[34:36] >> But you have to keep

[34:38] in mind that the, the city is

[34:39] issuing the permits. So if we

[34:42] want to limit anything where we

[34:43] can workshop it as well.

[34:45] >> Would you be willing

[34:47] to move forward

[34:50] with it and then revisit it

[34:51] in so many months

[34:52] like we did the prior time

[34:53] to see how it looks?

[34:56] >> Yes, I would be good with

[34:57] that.

[34:58] >> I make a motion that we

[34:59] adopt. Hold on. I know. I got

[35:00] it. I'm going to make the

[35:02] suggestion that somebody makes

[35:05] a motion that we approve this

[35:07] ordinance with a workshop

[35:11] of a period of six months. Is

[35:14] there consensus for that?

[35:19] >> Yes.

[35:23] >> I make a motion to approve

[35:24] the second reading

[35:26] of ordinance number 222505 with

[35:27] the consensus that we will have

[35:31] a workshop in six months.

[35:35] >> Second

[35:36] >> Roll call.

[35:38] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[35:44] >> Item 8C, second reading

[35:48] order, summer 2025 06, request

[35:49] to amend the Florida Shores

[35:50] Drainage Basin building permit

[35:51] moratorium. Please read

[35:52] into the Record Ordinance

[35:53] Number.

[35:54] >> 2025 006, an ordinance

[35:55] of the City of Edgewater

[35:56] Amending Ordinance 2024063 to

[35:57] limit the temporary moratorium

[35:58] to building permits that

[35:59] increase the amount

[36:01] of fill dirt on parcels

[36:03] within the Florida short

[36:04] drainage basin for a period

[36:05] ending no later than January

[36:07] 5, 2026, unless rescinded or

[36:08] extended

[36:09] by a subsequent ordinance.

[36:10] Providing procedures

[36:12] for vested rights review for

[36:13] the specific matters addressed

[36:15] herein. Providing

[36:16] for conflicting ordinances,

[36:17] providing for severability,

[36:19] providing an effective date.

[36:20] >> Please Stand staff report

[36:22] thank you, Mr. Mayor. This is a

[36:23] second reading. This does have

[36:25] a text amendment change

[36:26] between the first and second

[36:28] City staff erred

[36:29] in the first submittal

[36:31] with the exclusion of pools

[36:35] which was added back in. So no

[36:37] pool shall be permitted was

[36:38] added into section 2 of the

[36:40] moratorium which is really the

[36:42] teeth of the moratorium

[36:44] in addition to no import

[36:48] of filter.

[36:50] >> Thank you, sir. Open a

[36:51] public hearing Citizens

[36:55] Comments.

[37:12] >> Agnes Witter 223 Flagler

[37:14] Avenue. I know you want to

[37:19] change the moratorium and just

[37:20] go to no fill being brought in

[37:24] from onto a property and using

[37:26] fill from the property.

[37:29] But even if you just use fill

[37:31] from the property,

[37:34] if you're taking from the back

[37:35] to raise the front and and you

[37:37] raise it up higher,

[37:41] it's still going to be a runoff

[37:42] problem because you're adding

[37:44] more buildings. So you're

[37:45] covering more

[37:47] of edgewater up,

[37:49] which is going to cause a

[37:51] little higher flooding level.

[37:56] And what you really should be

[37:59] doing is making a code now that

[38:03] takes into consideration what

[38:06] you're going to face in the

[38:08] future and can you afford more

[38:12] fixing of a flooding problem

[38:14] when you're going through all

[38:15] of this now, you've got to

[38:17] spend all this money now and

[38:20] there's no, there's no fun and

[38:21] there's no future and having

[38:22] to just look

[38:24] at more flooding fixtures

[38:25] in the future. Raise your

[38:26] houses 36 inches up

[38:27] above the center of the road.

[38:32] Put them on pillars or cement

[38:39] block foundations

[38:40] with openings for water flow

[38:43] to go through. You can also

[38:45] have permeable concrete

[38:49] for your patios, your porches,

[38:50] your outdoor porches,

[39:01] your dock areas or your,

[39:04] your pool decks, sidewalks,

[39:06] anything that doesn't carry a

[39:07] lot of weight,

[39:09] you can use your permeable

[39:11] cement, which will provide you

[39:12] better water distribution.

[39:15] There's a lot of things that

[39:16] you can do and not have

[39:18] to say, okay, we got

[39:20] to stop building because we got

[39:22] to look

[39:23] at this water problem and

[39:24] figure out what we're going

[39:26] to do with it. If you did

[39:27] something like this now

[39:30] to prevent more flooding for

[39:31] all your new buildings that

[39:33] you're going to be.

[39:35] >> Putting up your residential

[39:36] buildings and you won't have

[39:38] to worry about the future. So

[39:39] it's something to consider. If

[39:40] you put yourself

[39:42] into a place where you're going

[39:44] to look in the future to fixing

[39:46] more flooding problems,

[39:52] you're going to run out

[39:53] of money because we are going

[39:54] to run out

[39:55] of money and that's a problem.

[39:56] We don't want to have to pay

[39:57] for any more remediation

[39:58] of flooding problems. Low.

[40:00] Let's take the steps right now

[40:01] to do it the right way. Thank

[40:03] you.

[40:05] >> Thank you for your comments

[40:07] and suggestions. It's

[40:08] appreciated.

[40:15] >> Chuck Martin 205 Cherry

[40:17] Wood Lane, Edgewater this funny

[40:21] thing is this all brings back

[40:23] memories from a while back, I

[40:26] think another subdivision was

[40:29] going in off of Air Park Road

[40:30] and the only question I had was

[40:32] are you going

[40:34] to hold your own water? And

[40:35] then one of the engineers or

[40:37] somebody got up and said

[40:39] something real fast. Oh yeah,

[40:40] we've met all her whatever.

[40:42] And then there's actually a

[40:43] video put out of water running

[40:45] out of that subdivision going

[40:48] into people's houses on Air

[40:49] Park Road as I was asking that

[40:52] same question.

[40:54] But I guess my point is here,

[40:56] kind of

[40:57] like these big subdivisions

[40:59] like Oakley Preserve, they

[41:00] didn't bring any fill

[41:01] in there. They just dug a big

[41:03] hole, built it way up high and

[41:04] then, well,

[41:05] you know what happened

[41:07] over there. So is this going

[41:09] to apply to just like single

[41:11] family homes or if they want to

[41:13] annex and build another

[41:14] subdivision,

[41:15] can they dig a big lake? And

[41:17] then that's kind

[41:18] of what I was wondering.

[41:21] >> Thank you

[41:22] for your questions. This is

[41:23] just related to the Forest

[41:24] Shores drainage basin.

[41:26] >> So is that

[41:27] like single family homes

[41:28] in that area?

[41:29] >> Correct.

[41:30] >> Wouldn't be a subdivision.

[41:31] >> Correct. And that question

[41:32] will be asked after this.

[41:34] >> Yeah. And so then that is

[41:35] kind

[41:36] of a good idea because if they,

[41:37] if they dig a hole in the back

[41:40] and then that gives a place

[41:41] for water to go and then if

[41:43] they take that fill and they

[41:44] put it and raise their house up

[41:45] a little bit,

[41:46] at least they're holding some

[41:48] of their water. That's kind

[41:52] of the way I see it.

[41:54] But yeah, if they're. But stem

[41:56] walls are good too. I know Rob

[41:59] had mentioned that before,

[42:01] but if they dig retention

[42:02] in the back,

[42:03] I think that's what a lot

[42:04] of people are after. If they

[42:05] can, you know, kind

[42:06] of hold some

[42:07] of their own water.

[42:08] >> Dan Knight2290 Elegant

[42:16] Manor I apologize for my breach

[42:19] and protocol earlier. This

[42:21] relates

[42:22] to that section two comment,

[42:24] no pools permitted. Those five

[42:25] little words that seem to have

[42:26] been added back in. I'm just

[42:28] kind of curious and something

[42:31] to contemplate. How is a 1500

[42:32] square foot pool and patio

[42:35] different than a 1500 square

[42:36] foot detached garage? Both are

[42:37] relatively impervious. Yet

[42:39] under this current ordinance, I

[42:41] think that the detached garage

[42:43] could be approved,

[42:44] whereas a pool cannot. And

[42:46] that's a little concerning for

[42:47] me considering the pool itself

[42:49] can hold another 6 to 8 inches

[42:51] of rainwater potentially. And

[42:54] yet the detached garage could

[42:55] get a get approved, I believe

[42:57] as written. I think it does

[42:59] open the city up to litigation.

[43:01] I suggest speaking

[43:03] to the city, the city's legal

[43:05] counsel, get their opinion as

[43:07] well as speaking as subject

[43:09] matter experts that you guys

[43:10] have hired and that who do work

[43:12] here just to make sure you get

[43:13] their opinion

[43:15] before you attempt to pass this

[43:16] as it's written. I think if you

[43:19] cannot differentiate between

[43:20] the pool and the garage itself

[43:22] as both being impervious, then

[43:23] I think you run that

[43:25] possibility

[43:26] of this running a foul,

[43:29] getting you guys in trouble,

[43:31] that litigation. And I don't

[43:32] think you could pass it as

[43:34] written based off that. Thank

[43:35] you.

[43:37] >> Thank you for your comments.

[43:40] >> Good evening. My name is

[43:49] Billy Dove. I'm an attorney

[43:51] with Gray Robinson. I'm here

[43:52] on behalf of the Edgewater

[43:54] Preserve development. I just

[43:55] want to briefly address this

[43:57] proposed amended moratorium.

[44:00] While we believe it's

[44:01] appropriate to lift the burden

[44:02] on property owners that was

[44:03] created by the original

[44:04] moratorium's wholesale ban

[44:06] on any building permits, we

[44:07] also believe that any

[44:08] moratorium in this area,

[44:09] including the revised proposal,

[44:11] is an inappropriate way

[44:12] for the city

[44:13] to deflect responsibility

[44:15] for preventing flooding. It

[44:16] should also be noted that the

[44:17] original. The original

[44:20] moratorium imposed a

[44:22] requirement on the city

[44:23] to repair,

[44:24] maintain and improve ditches,

[44:25] canals and stormwater systems

[44:26] while the moratorium was

[44:28] pending. The amended moratorium

[44:30] removes that requirement,

[44:31] eliminating the city's

[44:33] responsibility to undertake

[44:34] badly needed maintenance and

[44:36] repairs to their own systems

[44:37] in the Florida shores. To add

[44:39] to this, we're aware that a

[44:40] complaint has been made to the

[44:42] FDP alleging that approximately

[44:44] 60 of the city's intake drains

[44:45] have been altered and currently

[44:47] do not operate as designed.

[44:49] Basically, the city's own

[44:50] systems are failing and the

[44:52] moratorium has only scapegoated

[44:53] the Edgewater Preserve

[44:54] development. The pond

[44:56] on the north edge of the

[44:58] Edgewater Preserve has now been

[44:59] stabilized and is operational.

[45:01] When the unfortunate storms

[45:02] took place last September, this

[45:04] wasn't the case as the ponds

[45:06] had only been partially

[45:07] constructed and not yet

[45:08] stabilized. The recitals in the

[45:11] moratorium reference flooding

[45:12] in the Florida shores in

[45:13] Hurricane Ian 2022 and that was

[45:15] long before any site work had

[45:17] taken place on Edgewater

[45:20] Preserve. Phase 2. The area

[45:21] recently experienced increased

[45:22] rainfall on March 10th and

[45:25] there were no issues

[45:26] with the stormwater systems

[45:29] at Edgewater Preserve.

[45:30] In addition, Edgewater has

[45:32] submitted vested rights letters

[45:34] for each phase

[45:35] of their development on

[45:37] February 5 and has yet

[45:38] to receive any response from

[45:40] the city. I would ask the

[45:41] council or member

[45:42] of your staff, will the city

[45:43] require, if this moratorium is

[45:44] to be passed, will the city

[45:46] require that new vested rights

[45:47] applications be submitted or

[45:49] will the admit the existing

[45:50] applications be sufficient

[45:52] under this moratorium as well?

[45:54] >> Thank you, sir,

[45:55] for your comments.

[45:57] >> It's appreciated. Okay. Is

[45:59] there. Do you understand? Do

[46:00] you have an idea of how you'll

[46:01] handle the vested rights

[46:03] application?

[46:04] >> Thank you, sir,

[46:05] for your comments. It's

[46:06] appreciated.

[46:07] >> All right,

[46:13] we'll follow up.

[46:14] >> Thank you.

[46:15] >> Good Evening, Eric

[46:16] Rainbird, 118 San Remo Drive,

[46:17] Edgewater. What that guy just

[46:18] said is exactly what we might

[46:20] need to change to make them

[46:22] build the retention ponds

[46:25] first. Then we watch how they

[46:27] do. Then you let them build.

[46:35] >> See no further. Citizens

[46:37] comments. Council comments.

[46:42] >> I wanted to bring that pool

[46:44] subject up tonight. I wanted

[46:46] to discuss with council. Your

[46:48] thoughts are excluding.

[46:50] Excluding it so the pools can

[46:51] be built

[46:53] during the moratorium. The

[46:54] gentleman made a great point.

[46:56] And I've.

[46:57] Since our last meeting,

[46:58] I've had a few residents reach

[46:59] out to me who had pulled.

[47:01] Tried to pull the pool permits

[47:02] and were not able to. And they

[47:04] were confused as to why,

[47:05] like a detached garage,

[47:07] we're going to allow a pool

[47:09] that takes up maybe less space

[47:10] in the garage. We are allowing.

[47:11] So I wanted

[47:13] to have that discussion tonight

[47:15] to see if we could remove.

[47:17] >> The pools

[47:19] from the moratorium as

[47:22] of right now. If they tried

[47:23] to pull it, it would be denied

[47:25] either way because it's still

[47:27] banned

[47:29] from the original moratorium.

[47:30] So if they would have applied

[47:31] any point in time

[47:33] until a new one changes, they

[47:34] would still have not been able

[47:35] to do it.

[47:37] >> And that's. But that's a.

[47:38] It's a problem and it could be

[47:39] a legal problem as well. And I

[47:40] talked to Ryan about that. And

[47:42] as the moratorium stands today

[47:43] with the pools in may not stand

[47:44] up.

[47:46] >> City attorney.

[47:47] >> Yeah, there's a. There is a

[47:49] risk that it be challenged

[47:51] for the. You know,

[47:53] anytime you make an exception

[47:55] like that,

[47:57] there's a possibility of a,

[47:58] perhaps an equal protection

[48:00] challenge, that you're not

[48:04] treating people equally. The

[48:07] example was the shed. So there,

[48:08] there is that risk that there

[48:10] could be challenge or

[48:12] litigation leading

[48:14] to that.

[48:16] >> It would have been great

[48:17] to have that council

[48:19] before this meeting. Meeting.

[48:21] Well, then I make a motion that

[48:23] we. Or suggest a motion that we

[48:25] table this until the next

[48:28] council meeting.

[48:29] >> I will make a motion to

[48:32] table a second reading because

[48:39] I would also like

[48:40] to have a full council

[48:42] for this discussion. If moving

[48:44] forward, I make a motion

[48:45] to table the second reading

[48:48] of ordinance number 2025 06.

[48:50] >> Second

[48:52] >> Roll call.

[48:56] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[49:03] >> Item 8D,

[49:05] first reading order.

[49:07] >> Sorry, Mr. Can I get some

[49:09] direction.

[49:10] >> On what you want me to

[49:12] change? I think that the

[49:14] suggestion now is just

[49:15] to table the discussion until

[49:17] we have a full council and

[49:19] consult with our attorney.

[49:21] Okay. I don't think that we

[49:23] need to make any immediate

[49:24] changes. I think it's just

[49:26] tabled for discussion. Okay.

[49:28] Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

[49:30] Solstice. Item 8D was. I

[49:33] corrected that. I apologize.

[49:36] Okay. Item 8D. First reading.

[49:38] Ordinance number 2025 01,

[49:39] amending the restraining the

[49:41] police officer's pension plan.

[49:45] Please read

[49:46] into the record or in.

[49:48] >> Summer 2025 001, an

[49:49] ordinance to the City council

[49:51] of Edgewater, Florida repealing

[49:53] Ordinance 2016 O34

[49:54] in its entirety and amending,

[49:56] restating and adopting the city

[49:57] of Edgewater Florida police

[49:58] officers pension planning

[50:00] for filing with the division

[50:01] of retirement at the Florida

[50:02] Department of Management.

[50:03] Services provided

[50:05] for conflicting provisions

[50:06] front

[50:07] for cyber building and

[50:08] providing

[50:09] for an effective date.

[50:10] >> Staff report.

[50:11] >> City Council adopted

[50:12] Ordinance 2016034 on November

[50:15] 14, 2016, which amended and

[50:17] restated the Edgewater Police

[50:20] officers pension Plan.

[50:23] Subsequently, Ordinance

[50:36] 20170221 2220-2003-3202-2018

[50:43] 2320-2301-0202-3023 and

[50:46] 2024035 were adopted amending

[50:49] various sections of the police

[50:51] officer's pension plan.

[50:53] Ordinance 202501 is

[50:56] incorporation

[50:57] of all pension amendments

[50:59] into a restated plan. We're

[51:02] requesting a motion

[51:04] to approve ordinance 2025 01.

[51:12] >> Thank you, sir. Open a

[51:13] public hearing. Citizens

[51:15] comments. Council comments.

[51:18] The great Police Department.

[51:22] Is there a motion

[51:24] to approve?

[51:25] >> Make a motion

[51:26] to approve the first reading

[51:27] of ordinance number 2025 01,

[51:29] amending and restating the

[51:31] police officer's pension plan.

[51:32] >> Second

[51:34] roll call.

[51:36] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[51:41] >> Item AD 2025 R05, approving

[51:43] the locally funded agreement

[51:45] LFA between the city of

[51:47] Edgewater and the Florida

[51:48] Department of Transportation

[51:50] FDOT

[51:51] for the emergency traffic

[51:52] signal at Fire Station 55 FPN

[51:55] Number 4534-722-6202.

[51:57] >> Please read into the

[52:03] Record Resolution Number 2024

[52:04] R05 a resolution of the City

[52:06] Council but the City of

[52:07] Edgewater, Florida to sign a

[52:09] locally funded agreement LFA

[52:10] with the Florida Department

[52:11] of Transportation FDA

[52:13] to provide a lump sum deposit

[52:14] in the amount of $22,337

[52:16] to support the Construction,

[52:17] Engineering, Inspection CEI

[52:18] of the installation

[52:19] of the emergency traffic signal

[52:20] in front of the fire station.

[52:22] 55 Repealing resolutions

[52:23] of conflict here

[52:24] with providing

[52:26] for severability and for

[52:27] establishing an effective date.

[52:28] >> Thank you.

[52:29] >> Staff Report the FDOT has

[52:30] requested the City of

[52:32] Edgewater to execute the

[52:33] locally funded agreement

[52:35] for project number 400534722

[52:42] 62.

[52:45] For the Florida Department of

[52:46] Transportation

[52:47] to provide a lump sum deposit

[52:49] for construction, engineering

[52:51] and inspections or CEI services

[52:52] for the installation

[52:55] of the emergency traffic signal

[52:56] in front of Fire Station 55.

[52:58] We're asking

[53:01] for motion and approval

[53:03] for the city of Edgewater to

[53:05] execute a local funding

[53:06] agreement

[53:07] for the emergency traffic

[53:09] signal at Fire Station 55.

[53:11] >> Thank you. Open a public

[53:13] hearing. Citizens Comments.

[53:15] >> Chuck Martin, 2 of 5

[53:23] Cherrywood Lane as a crane

[53:29] operator that's. Every

[53:33] hurricane out of town.

[53:35] Assistant Florida Power

[53:36] Enlighten several other

[53:38] companies

[53:39] with power restoration

[53:41] over the last 20 years and

[53:44] traveling all over the state

[53:45] of Florida last 30 years. I

[53:48] think I can tell you that I

[53:53] can't think of any other cities

[53:54] or anybody our size that

[53:56] doesn't have a emergency light

[54:00] for our fire department

[54:01] to get out. And I've seen it

[54:03] several times when they've

[54:04] tried to get

[54:06] out there and they got

[54:07] to wait. So this is great. I

[54:08] know you guys are going

[54:10] to prove it. Anyways, I just

[54:11] wanted to say that it's great

[54:13] and it's much,

[54:15] much needed here. I just want

[54:22] to thank you, Mayor, for. I

[54:24] know you've been working behind

[54:26] the scenes putting this forth

[54:29] and it's taken a long time

[54:30] to get here and. And I just

[54:32] want

[54:33] to thank everybody up there

[54:35] for. For making this happen.

[54:36] It's taken a long time. Every

[54:38] one of you, all of you,

[54:40] thank you.

[54:43] >> Thank you, sir,

[54:44] for your comments. Council

[54:52] comments. I just want to say

[54:53] that this has been long

[54:55] overdue. It's been talked

[54:56] about, I think, ever since I

[54:58] was elected and I've been in

[54:59] Jeff's office

[55:01] before and I'll go. You hear

[55:02] that? It'll be someone

[55:04] screeching on their brakes as

[55:05] the ambulance is trying

[55:07] to get out. So great job

[55:08] between our both city managers,

[55:09] our grants department Chief

[55:11] larosy for making this come to

[55:12] fruition and our finance

[55:14] department. It takes a team and

[55:15] a team was together

[55:17] to get this established. As the

[55:19] citizen said tonight,

[55:20] there's been public support

[55:22] for this reunion years. We have

[55:24] a tremendous police and fire

[55:25] department and all the

[55:27] collaboration that come

[55:29] together for this project has

[55:30] been tremendous,

[55:32] long overdue. Thank you

[55:34] to the Grants department,

[55:35] Chief Literacy and city

[55:37] management. Is there a motion

[55:38] to approve?

[55:40] >> Make a motion to approve

[55:42] 2025 R05 approving locally

[55:43] funded agreement

[55:45] between the city of Edgewater

[55:47] and the Florida Department of

[55:48] Treasury Transportation

[55:50] for the emergency traffic

[55:51] signal at the Fire Station

[55:52] 55.

[55:54] >> Second

[55:55] >> Roll call.

[55:56] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[55:59] >> Item 8F, Resolution 2025 R06

[56:05] approving the Local Agency

[56:12] Program LAP between City of

[56:14] Edgewater and the Florida

[56:15] Department of Transportation

[56:17] FDOT for the Emergency

[56:18] Traffic Signal Fire Station 55

[56:20] FPN Number 4534-721-5801.

[56:23] >> Please read into the

[56:29] Record Resolution Number 2025

[56:31] R06, a resolution of the City

[56:32] Council of the City of

[56:34] Edgewater, Florida authorizing

[56:35] the City Manager to enter into

[56:36] and execute a local agency

[56:37] program agreement with the

[56:39] State of Florida Department

[56:40] of Transportation concerning

[56:42] the installation

[56:43] of an emergency traffic signal

[56:44] in front of Fire Station 55.

[56:45] Repealing resolutions

[56:46] of conflict here with provided

[56:48] for severability and

[56:49] applicability and establishing

[56:50] an effective date.

[56:51] >> Thank you.

[56:52] >> Staff Report the FTT has

[56:53] requested the City of

[56:54] Edgewater to execute the local

[56:55] agency program agreement

[56:56] for project number 453-472158

[56:58] for the design and installation

[57:08] of the emergency signals

[57:10] in front of Fire Station 55.

[57:12] The estimated cost

[57:17] of the project is 558,837

[57:20] with the city agreeing

[57:22] to participate

[57:24] in the project cost up

[57:26] to the maximum amount of

[57:32] $265,940. The city has already

[57:37] contributed 127,135 towards the

[57:41] maximum city cost towards its

[57:42] project.

[57:44] For the design work required

[57:46] by FDOT. We are requesting a

[57:47] motion and approval of

[57:50] Resolution 2025 RO6

[57:55] to execute the Local Agency

[57:58] Program Agreement for Project

[58:02] 4 emergency traffic signal at

[58:03] Fire Station 55.

[58:05] >> Thank you sir. Open a public

[58:07] hearing. Citizens Comments

[58:08] Council comments Is there a

[58:14] motion

[58:16] to approve? I make our motion

[58:18] to Approve resolution number

[58:19] 2025 R06 approving the local

[58:20] agency program between the

[58:22] City of Edgewater and the the

[58:23] Florida Department of

[58:24] Transportation

[58:25] for the emergency traffic

[58:27] signal at Fire Station 55.

[58:29] >>Second

[58:30] >> Roll call

[58:31] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[58:36] >> Yes. Item

[58:37] 10 Other business Item 10 A

[58:39] whistle stop park easement

[58:40] request

[58:41] from FPL FPL staff report

[58:43] Florida Power and Light.

[58:46] >> Is proposing an easement

[58:47] path to bury a primary power

[58:49] line and place a pad mounted

[58:55] transformer as a part of their

[58:57] secure underground program.

[59:00] They are proposing a 10 foot

[59:02] strip easement be placed

[59:04] along the western property line

[59:06] of Whistle stop Park totaling

[59:08] 10 foot by 960 foot easement.

[59:09] Two pad mounted transformers

[59:12] will be placed with

[59:13] within the strip for the

[59:15] replacement overhead power

[59:17] overhead pole mounted

[59:19] transformers on the property.

[59:25] They are designed to be placed

[59:27] in the same vicinity as the

[59:30] existing poles. Since the

[59:32] city's meters are existing

[59:33] underground for these points,

[59:36] they will be reconnected

[59:38] to the new underground service

[59:39] during construction structure.

[59:42] We're requesting approval

[59:45] of FPL's request for easement

[59:47] at Whistle Stop Park.

[59:50] >> Thank you. Citizens.

[59:54] Comments Council Comments. Is

[59:56] there a motion to approve.

[59:58] Make a motion to approve

[59:59] Whistle Stop park easement

[1:00:00] request from FPL.

[1:00:01] >> Second

[1:00:02] >> Roll call

[1:00:04] [CALLING ROLL]

[1:00:09] >> Item 10B, FP2401 Request

[1:00:11] for final plat approval for

[1:00:13] Smyrna Creek Preserve, a 78 lot

[1:00:14] residential subdivision. Staff

[1:00:16] report.

[1:00:18] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The

[1:00:23] request before you is

[1:00:25] to approve the final plat for

[1:00:26] Smyrna Creek Preserve, a 78 lot

[1:00:27] residential subdivision.

[1:00:29] Smyrna Creek Preserve is

[1:00:31] located off of old Mission

[1:00:33] Road. It 21.49 plus or minus

[1:00:35] acres. The preliminary plat was

[1:00:37] approved on November 6, 2023

[1:00:39] by the City Council. The

[1:00:41] applicant first submitted

[1:00:43] for final plat on June 21st

[1:00:45] of 2024. Subsequent reviews

[1:00:47] have taken place and the

[1:00:49] technical review committee has

[1:00:51] reviewed the following final

[1:00:53] plat and has found that the

[1:00:54] development meets the

[1:00:56] requirements

[1:00:57] of the preliminary plat, the

[1:00:58] Land Development Code and the

[1:00:59] Residential Planned Unit

[1:01:00] Development Agreement

[1:01:01] for the subject property. Just

[1:01:03] again, the final plot is the

[1:01:04] second step

[1:01:05] in the process process

[1:01:07] of subdividing land

[1:01:08] into separate parcels

[1:01:09] for future sale or lease. Once

[1:01:11] a preliminary plot has been

[1:01:12] approved, the final plot

[1:01:14] process can begin. And this is

[1:01:15] the subject site. You can see

[1:01:20] on the screen. The Total

[1:01:24] acreage is 21.49 acres. 15,

[1:01:27] 15.6 or so are

[1:01:32] in open space and that is a 3

[1:01:36] acre water retention pond. You

[1:01:38] have the conservation track in

[1:01:40] the southeastern portion where

[1:01:42] they preserved all the wetlands

[1:01:43] as well as landscape buffers

[1:01:46] and so forth. The original pud

[1:01:50] did call for 168 units. After

[1:01:54] meeting our stormwater code,

[1:01:56] they were left with about 78

[1:01:59] units

[1:02:00] on the subject property.

[1:02:03] >> Thank you. Applicant

[1:02:04] Presentation comments.

[1:02:17] >> Good evening everybody. My

[1:02:18] name is Matt Stoles with Dr.

[1:02:20] Horton, 10192 down road. You

[1:02:22] know, I'm just really here to

[1:02:24] address any comments or any

[1:02:25] questions that anyone has.

[1:02:29] We've worked pretty hard

[1:02:30] to meet with the everyone

[1:02:32] with the city to address any

[1:02:33] comments or concerns that

[1:02:35] anybody has. There's nothing

[1:02:36] really that I've heard or

[1:02:37] anyone has any reservations

[1:02:39] with that we're aware of.

[1:02:40] But we'd like the opportunity

[1:02:41] to respond if anything does

[1:02:43] come up, just to provide

[1:02:44] additional information. Know

[1:02:46] our site is fully constructed.

[1:02:48] Everything is stabilized clean.

[1:02:51] We're about 99% done

[1:02:53] with the construction

[1:02:55] of the site. Work.

[1:02:56] Everything's been working well.

[1:02:58] There haven't been any issues

[1:02:59] on the construction side

[1:03:00] of things. You know,

[1:03:02] we understand. I think as Ryan

[1:03:04] mentioned,

[1:03:05] everything's been approved

[1:03:07] on the construction.

[1:03:08] On the construction plan side

[1:03:09] between staff and the board and

[1:03:11] our final plot is approved

[1:03:14] by staff and we're just looking

[1:03:16] to get that approved tonight

[1:03:17] here with my development team

[1:03:19] as well. If there's any

[1:03:20] specific questions, serving

[1:03:22] engineering land questions as

[1:03:23] well. So that's all I got.

[1:03:26] >> Thank you, sir. So this is.

[1:03:27] Comments. Take council

[1:03:31] comments. I just want

[1:03:35] to say that I think I was one

[1:03:37] of the first and only members

[1:03:40] that stated that we cannot

[1:03:41] continue to build until we have

[1:03:45] a stormwater master plan

[1:03:46] in hand. Before Hurricane

[1:03:48] Milton and a large rain event

[1:03:50] when I was first elected,

[1:03:52] the original developer

[1:03:54] of this issue, of this

[1:03:55] development was having an issue

[1:03:57] through permitting. And it was

[1:03:58] when we were transitioning

[1:04:00] from Mr. Lear to Ryan. And I

[1:04:01] met

[1:04:02] with him and I had quite a bit

[1:04:04] of concern. We went and drove

[1:04:06] the property. I'm going to sit

[1:04:08] in front of you and tell you

[1:04:09] that this is the only

[1:04:11] subdivision in all of the city

[1:04:13] of Edgewater that I have not

[1:04:15] received a single complaint

[1:04:18] about. I walked the property

[1:04:19] behind there, the development

[1:04:21] behind there. All the neighbors

[1:04:23] seemed okay. This is one of the

[1:04:25] largest buffers I've ever seen,

[1:04:26] to be honest. Please don't take

[1:04:29] offense to this. I'm very

[1:04:31] surprised that this is Dr.

[1:04:32] Horton project. I would

[1:04:34] recommend that they that this

[1:04:37] is how every subdivision.

[1:04:38] Unfortunately, we're going

[1:04:40] to continue

[1:04:41] to build regardless. We have

[1:04:42] 12,000 homes already approved

[1:04:44] in the city of Eduard. I would

[1:04:45] encourage Dr. Horton

[1:04:46] to continue to build like this

[1:04:47] on what is already approved

[1:04:49] in our community. This is not

[1:04:50] approval of the subdivision.

[1:04:51] This is not approval

[1:04:53] of the subdivision. It has

[1:04:54] already been approved,

[1:04:56] has already moved forward.

[1:04:57] This is a final plat decision.

[1:04:59] I did my due diligence. I made

[1:05:01] the motion to table because I

[1:05:03] couldn't get a hold of the

[1:05:05] original developer I met with,

[1:05:07] which I got a hold of and asked

[1:05:09] a couple questions. I drove the

[1:05:10] property three different times.

[1:05:11] The mobile home park

[1:05:12] behind there, like I stated,

[1:05:13] was not affected at all. I. I

[1:05:15] think that this is a

[1:05:16] subdivision of that meets

[1:05:17] quality expectations. And you

[1:05:19] don't hear me say that often. I

[1:05:20] think the elevation is not a

[1:05:23] concern here. You don't

[1:05:27] necessarily see it being 10ft

[1:05:29] above the other facility like

[1:05:32] several other subdivisions.

[1:05:38] And the buffer is large.

[1:05:43] That's just my opinion. I also

[1:05:47] met with Mr. Stolz and as well

[1:05:48] as the engineer who answered

[1:05:49] all of my questions and walked

[1:05:51] the property as well. And I'm

[1:05:52] more comfortable.

[1:05:57] >> With this than other

[1:05:58] projects that have come to us

[1:06:00] in the past.

[1:06:01] >> Mr. Attorney.

[1:06:02] >> Sorry.

[1:06:03] >> Yes. Just to quickly, you

[1:06:04] know, go over the law

[1:06:07] on final plat approval. The

[1:06:08] Florida Supreme Court has held

[1:06:10] that a decision granting or

[1:06:11] denying a final plat

[1:06:12] application is governed

[1:06:13] by local regulations, which

[1:06:14] must be uniformly administered.

[1:06:16] The administrative procedure,

[1:06:17] and this is an administrative

[1:06:19] procedure procedure for final

[1:06:20] plat approval is quasi judicial

[1:06:22] in nature, conducted to

[1:06:24] factually determine if the

[1:06:26] proposed site or final plat

[1:06:28] submitted

[1:06:29] by the property owner conforms

[1:06:31] to the specific requirements

[1:06:33] set out in the administrative

[1:06:34] regulations governing the

[1:06:35] erection of improvements

[1:06:37] on the property. And property

[1:06:39] owners are entitled to notice

[1:06:41] of the conditions they must

[1:06:42] meet in order

[1:06:44] to improve their property

[1:06:45] in accordance with the existing

[1:06:46] zoning and other development

[1:06:47] requirements regulations

[1:06:49] of the government. And these

[1:06:50] conditions must be set out

[1:06:51] in clearly stated regulations,

[1:06:53] which they are for the city.

[1:06:55] So compliance with these

[1:06:56] regulations should be capable

[1:06:57] of objective determination in

[1:06:58] an administrative proceeding.

[1:06:59] And that is the purpose

[1:07:01] of this public hearing, is to

[1:07:02] make that objective

[1:07:03] determination. While the burden

[1:07:05] is on the property owner

[1:07:07] to demonstrate compliance,

[1:07:09] there's no legislative

[1:07:11] discretion in involved

[1:07:12] in resolving the issue

[1:07:13] of compliance. So once the

[1:07:15] applicant meets the initial

[1:07:16] burden of showing that their

[1:07:18] application met all the city's

[1:07:19] criteria

[1:07:20] for granting the application,

[1:07:22] the burden then shifts

[1:07:23] to the city to demonstrate

[1:07:25] by competent,

[1:07:26] substantial evidence presented

[1:07:27] at the hearing and made part of

[1:07:28] the record that the application

[1:07:30] did not meet such standards and

[1:07:31] was in fact, adverse

[1:07:33] to the public interest. So

[1:07:35] to deny a plaid application,

[1:07:36] local government,

[1:07:37] like the city, must show by

[1:07:39] competent substantial evidence

[1:07:41] that the application does not

[1:07:42] meet the published criteria.

[1:07:45] So if the application complies

[1:07:47] with the comprehensive plan,

[1:07:49] the land Development code,

[1:07:51] the zoning and the RPUD

[1:07:53] agreement, the Florida

[1:07:54] statutes,

[1:07:55] and they have all the

[1:07:56] permitting, then the

[1:07:58] application should be granted.

[1:08:00] >> I did just have one

[1:08:02] question, and it's more of a

[1:08:06] simple question. I'm not sure,

[1:08:08] actually, if it's for you or

[1:08:09] environmental services that

[1:08:13] will be maintained by the city

[1:08:14] of Edgewater's responsibility.

[1:08:18] Correct. As far as any kind of

[1:08:21] stormwater criteria moving

[1:08:22] forward around that property,

[1:08:26] is it county maintained? Is it

[1:08:31] is a runoff go into a county? I

[1:08:34] know water has no boundary. It

[1:08:36] ultimately goes to Edgewater

[1:08:37] Canal and out.

[1:08:39] But I'm just curious, is that

[1:08:41] in the county or is that

[1:08:43] in the city? And how exactly

[1:08:44] would that process maintenance

[1:08:47] look moving forward? Because we

[1:08:50] maintain our own canals and

[1:08:52] ditches. So I'm just curious.

[1:08:53] >> So this site is. The

[1:08:57] hydrology in this area is very

[1:09:01] particular and it's very

[1:09:03] strange. So on this west side

[1:09:05] of Old Mission, the water flows

[1:09:06] north on the east side,

[1:09:09] it flows south. So it's kind

[1:09:11] of. Well, it flows south

[1:09:12] in the north again

[1:09:14] through the canal. But so

[1:09:15] over here, the wetlands and the

[1:09:19] furthest southern portion that

[1:09:21] are in conservation will flow

[1:09:22] into the compensating storage

[1:09:24] pond. And there is a creek that

[1:09:26] they preserve the opening.

[1:09:28] That creek then runs under

[1:09:30] Eslinger and that's the

[1:09:32] headwaters of the Turnbull

[1:09:33] Creek that goes into Turnbull

[1:09:35] Bay out into Indian River.

[1:09:38] They also then have the pond

[1:09:39] that is

[1:09:40] for their subdivision. So the

[1:09:41] compensating storage helps

[1:09:43] facilitate that flow

[1:09:46] of that wetland and still

[1:09:47] into that creek. And then as

[1:09:50] far as. So the county maintains

[1:09:51] the ditch along Old Mission

[1:09:53] in this project, the city part

[1:09:56] of the comp plan says they

[1:09:58] either have to dedicate the

[1:09:59] wetlands and areas

[1:10:01] in conservation to St. John's

[1:10:02] or the city. So that's

[1:10:03] in perpetuity

[1:10:05] in conservation, and that's

[1:10:07] in the con plan policy. Now, as

[1:10:09] far as. So the HOA

[1:10:11] in this case will maintain,

[1:10:13] you know,

[1:10:14] the stormwater system

[1:10:15] for this specific site. Now as

[1:10:18] far as the county maintains the

[1:10:19] ditch on Old Mission, and that

[1:10:20] is the county's responsibility.

[1:10:22] Part of that is that how.

[1:10:24] >> Yes.

[1:10:26] >> Did that answer?

[1:10:30] >> Yes. Thank you.

[1:10:31] >> What I like

[1:10:33] about this project is it has

[1:10:34] 21 acres plus over 15 is going

[1:10:37] to be in conservation,

[1:10:38] which is big. Two thirds

[1:10:39] of it's going

[1:10:40] to stay conservation,

[1:10:42] preservation. And the fact that

[1:10:44] it flows north after,

[1:10:45] if it overflows

[1:10:47] for some reason that pond,

[1:10:49] it goes into wetlands and then

[1:10:51] to the Turnbull Bay headwaters

[1:10:54] and then it goes north. So the

[1:10:56] trailer park that's below it,

[1:10:58] there's no worries there. I

[1:10:59] spoke with a few

[1:11:00] of the residents there as well.

[1:11:02] No, I think it's a great

[1:11:03] project. And do I understand

[1:11:05] right that they're going

[1:11:06] to dedicate it back

[1:11:08] to the city?

[1:11:09] >> Yeah. So the areas that are

[1:11:10] in conservation, that

[1:11:13] southeastern, I don't recall

[1:11:14] off the top

[1:11:17] of my head how big it was.

[1:11:19] That'll be in dedicated

[1:11:20] to the city. So that'll be

[1:11:22] in perpetuity and conservation.

[1:11:23] As well as the kind

[1:11:24] of the mouth of the creek,

[1:11:26] which is

[1:11:27] in that northwest kind

[1:11:29] of line coming out of the

[1:11:31] northern property boundary that

[1:11:33] will also be preserved.

[1:11:38] >> Is there a motion

[1:11:39] to approve.

[1:11:40] >> Make a motion

[1:11:42] to approve. FP2401 request

[1:11:43] for final plat approval for

[1:11:44] Smyrna Creek Preserve.

[1:11:46] >> Second

[1:11:47] >> Roll call.

[1:11:50] >> [CALLING ROLL]

[1:11:55] >> Item 11. Officer reports

[1:11:56] item 11, a city clerk.

[1:12:00] >> With the special election

[1:12:01] coming up, we have the city

[1:12:04] canvassing board

[1:12:08] of this interim city manager,

[1:12:10] the mayor and myself, I would

[1:12:12] like to, just to be on the safe

[1:12:13] side because we really only

[1:12:14] have one shot

[1:12:16] at doing the canvassing

[1:12:17] of the election. Just have an

[1:12:18] alternate just in case. Not

[1:12:20] to jinx anybody, but just

[1:12:21] to be on the safe side. So if I

[1:12:23] could just get consensus from.

[1:12:25] From council, I suggest Vice

[1:12:26] Mayor Gillis as an alternate

[1:12:28] for the canvassing board.

[1:12:29] Everybody is okay

[1:12:30] with that?

[1:12:31] >> Sure.

[1:12:34] >> Okay. And then a reminder.

[1:12:35] The special election is on

[1:12:38] April 1. The polling locations

[1:12:40] are open from 7 to 7. It is

[1:12:43] citywide,

[1:12:44] meaning you do not have

[1:12:46] to live in that district

[1:12:47] in order to vote for District

[1:12:48] 4. And anyone who is voting

[1:12:50] would go

[1:12:51] to their normal precinct. As

[1:12:52] with any election,

[1:12:53] whomever is elected

[1:12:54] on the 1st will be sworn in

[1:12:56] at the meeting on the 7th.

[1:12:57] That's all I have.

[1:13:04] >> Thank you. Item 11B, City

[1:13:05] Attorney.

[1:13:06] >> Nothing at this time.

[1:13:08] >> Item 11C, City Manager.

[1:13:09] >> Nothing additional to the

[1:13:13] memorandum that I emailed this

[1:13:17] morning or put

[1:13:19] in your mailboxes. There are a

[1:13:21] few things I'd like

[1:13:23] to highlight is participated

[1:13:25] in the LNA testing

[1:13:26] for that special election

[1:13:29] in the land. Also, I'm being

[1:13:31] considered to serve on the

[1:13:32] National American Public Work

[1:13:36] Association Subcommittee on

[1:13:38] Operations and Maintenance.

[1:13:40] >> It's not done deal,

[1:13:41] but congratulations.

[1:13:43] >> It's a great honor. Also,

[1:13:45] staff has been working

[1:13:46] diligently with Spectrum

[1:13:49] Business

[1:13:50] to install the final components

[1:13:52] for relocating the department

[1:13:54] Development and Review

[1:13:55] Department to the new

[1:13:58] Riverside Drive location. We

[1:14:00] are anticipating that to take

[1:14:03] place no later than first week

[1:14:08] in April. We'd also like

[1:14:10] to have a ribbon cutting. Yet

[1:14:12] to be determined what date.

[1:14:14] Right. Those are the things I'd

[1:14:16] like to highlight. I would

[1:14:17] like to ask Sean

[1:14:19] to give us some updates

[1:14:20] on stormwater activities.

[1:14:29] >> Sean Maroney, Interim

[1:14:30] Environmental Services

[1:14:31] Director Just

[1:14:33] to give you an update

[1:14:34] like we've been trying to put

[1:14:35] out every week where the guys

[1:14:36] are working or the crews are

[1:14:38] working. Currently we got a big

[1:14:39] undertaking on the Queen Lake

[1:14:42] between 21st and 19th, cleaning

[1:14:43] up some trees that were dead or

[1:14:44] leaning over the lake trying

[1:14:45] to clean that up. Got a crew

[1:14:47] in Parktown cleaning up. We had

[1:14:49] the Menzie was over

[1:14:50] in the landings

[1:14:51] in their big canal and it broke

[1:14:52] down last week. So it's

[1:14:54] currently still. I think we're

[1:14:55] going to have it back

[1:14:56] on the road this week. So

[1:14:57] hopefully get that gets back

[1:14:59] in there. You know,

[1:15:01] just running through, doing

[1:15:02] some mowing and other things

[1:15:03] throughout the maintenance. I

[1:15:05] know everybody's interested in

[1:15:06] these boxes that we were

[1:15:07] reported to the state on. So I

[1:15:09] did want to give you an update

[1:15:10] and I do want

[1:15:11] to get some clarification

[1:15:12] to let you guys know,

[1:15:13] there's a lot

[1:15:15] of misinformation being spread

[1:15:16] out there, even

[1:15:18] by people associated

[1:15:19] with council. So I just want

[1:15:20] to make sure you're all

[1:15:21] on the same page. These boxes

[1:15:23] are not flood control. They are

[1:15:24] water quality control. So they

[1:15:25] were cut,

[1:15:30] from what I understand,

[1:15:31] what I've seen

[1:15:32] in my experience,

[1:15:33] to allow water to move because

[1:15:34] of flooding issues. When we

[1:15:36] seal them up,

[1:15:37] they are not going to help

[1:15:38] with flood. It. It may make it

[1:15:40] worse, but it's not going

[1:15:41] to make it better. So just

[1:15:42] to let you know, currently in

[1:15:44] Florida shores there's 92 boxes

[1:15:45] that I've identified. I've

[1:15:46] looked at 53

[1:15:48] of them so far and 20 do have

[1:15:50] some form of a cut,

[1:15:52] whether it's 6 inches or all

[1:15:54] the way down to the bottom

[1:15:55] of the box. So we will address

[1:15:57] that once I'm done doing all

[1:15:59] the inspections. But just want

[1:16:00] to make sure that everybody

[1:16:02] knows what we're,

[1:16:03] what we're dealing with here.

[1:16:04] So I know there's a lot,

[1:16:06] there's some videos and stuff

[1:16:07] that people are sharing that

[1:16:08] are false information. So just

[1:16:09] want

[1:16:11] to make sure you're all aware

[1:16:12] of that.

[1:16:14] >> Thank you. Any further

[1:16:18] on your report?

[1:16:19] >> And Sean, we were given 60

[1:16:21] days

[1:16:22] to do that inventory.

[1:16:24] >> Yes, 60 days

[1:16:25] for the inspection. And then

[1:16:26] once I put together a plan, it

[1:16:28] could be sooner. I'll let the

[1:16:29] state know and we'll give them

[1:16:30] our plan for whatever time we

[1:16:31] think it'll take to,

[1:16:32] to patch. You know,

[1:16:35] at this point, you know,

[1:16:36] if it's half the boxes or

[1:16:37] whatever,

[1:16:38] it ends up being.

[1:16:39] >> We'll talk later. I,

[1:16:42] I got another request related

[1:16:44] to that.

[1:16:51] >> That'S all we had. And this

[1:16:53] week, this Thursday and

[1:16:56] Saturday, or just Saturday?

[1:16:59] Thursday and Saturday. Next

[1:17:01] round of public participation

[1:17:02] in our process for Ryan's

[1:17:05] project.

[1:17:08] >> Okay, thank you. Item 12,

[1:17:12] citizens comments.

[1:17:20] >> Chuck Martin, 2 of 5

[1:17:21] Chairwood Lane. Just one more

[1:17:23] tonight. Now, you guys were

[1:17:25] hoping I would get back up here

[1:17:27] tonight. Seen some great

[1:17:32] progress. I haven't seen

[1:17:33] progress

[1:17:35] like this ever. I just want

[1:17:38] to give a shout out to Mr.

[1:17:39] Brown and his team because a

[1:17:42] lot of people don't know what's

[1:17:43] going on out there. Now that

[1:17:44] he's publicly, you know,

[1:17:46] putting it out there where

[1:17:47] people can see it,

[1:17:48] it's making a difference. And

[1:17:50] these guys are, they're doing a

[1:17:52] great job. I've been kind

[1:17:53] of looking

[1:17:54] at what they're doing. They're

[1:17:55] doing great with amount of

[1:17:57] people that they have and

[1:17:58] hopefully we can up that

[1:17:59] in the future. But I wanted

[1:18:01] to get back to the county thing

[1:18:02] because I know the county had

[1:18:03] offered us some help I know

[1:18:04] they had you know helped us

[1:18:06] with some cleaning

[1:18:08] out some culverts but I haven't

[1:18:10] seen any grade all or graders

[1:18:11] or anything I know that I

[1:18:13] talked to Mr. Thurman when he

[1:18:14] first come on and he had

[1:18:18] mentioned man it'd be great

[1:18:22] to have a motor grader to run

[1:18:23] down the sides a lot of these

[1:18:25] streets and just cut a swell

[1:18:26] and scoop that stuff up and

[1:18:27] that can happen pretty quick

[1:18:29] and I know he's got some great

[1:18:30] ideas there

[1:18:32] but is there any updates on the

[1:18:33] county helping us you know

[1:18:34] because hurricane seasons come

[1:18:36] and helping us dig some of

[1:18:37] these ditches and cut some

[1:18:38] swells and if there is do they

[1:18:40] charge us

[1:18:42] for that or are they just going

[1:18:44] to a good faith to help us

[1:18:45] out or is there any information

[1:18:46] on that?

[1:18:50] >> Thank you sir, for your

[1:18:54] comments, no further

[1:18:55] citizens comments we are

[1:18:57] adjourned.

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