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[1:12] >> I ould like to call our

[1:14] OCTOBER 27th fayetteville city

[1:17] council meeting to order.

[1:17] Welcome.

[1:19] We see a lot of new faces.

[1:23] Good to see you.

[1:24] Good to see you.

[1:26] Also those that join us remotely

[1:27] we thank you.

[1:30] At this time we will begin with

[1:34] the invocation and ask debra

[1:37] kinser from the pentecostal

[1:38] fellowship church.

[1:39] >> good evening.

[1:41] >> if you can stand for the

[1:43] prayer immediately if we can

[1:48] repeat the pledge of allegiance?

[1:51] >> if you can bow please.

[1:52] Heavenly father we come before

[1:54] you tonight in the mighty name

[1:54] of jesus.

[1:57] We thank you for your hand upon

[1:58] this great city of fayetteville,

[2:00] north carolina.

[2:03] A city of purpose, praise and

[2:04] destiny.

[2:06] Father we invite your holy

[2:08] spirit to come into this council

[2:10] chamber tonight.

[2:12] Matthew 28 states for where two

[2:14] or more are gathered together in

[2:18] my name I am in their midst.

[2:21] We declare and decree that your

[2:24] wisdom low through every

[2:25] COUNCILMAN For every decision

[2:27] and every word spoken let the

[2:30] spirit of unity and the

[2:32] righteousness reign over this

[2:32] meeting.

[2:35] Heavenly father, we declare the

[2:37] fayetteville belongs to you.

[2:41] We speak life over the city of

[2:41] fayetteville.

[2:44] We decree blessings over the

[2:45] leaders, our neighborhoods, our

[2:47] schools and the families.

[2:50] Let this be the city where your

[2:52] love flows through and is shown

[2:54] through our services where we

[2:57] hope it is restored and we're

[3:00] just

[3:03] justjustice rolls down lie

[3:03] water.

[3:07] We fill this chamber with your

[3:08] presence.

[3:12] Bring clarity and gratitude to

[3:13] every heart y guiding it with

[3:14] your holy spirit.

[3:18] We thank you heavenly father in

[3:19] ordinance of divine direction

[3:22] for the blessed and faithful

[3:24] work that is bestowed upon the

[3:27] city of fayetteville.

[3:29] City council and cumberland

[3:31] county sheriff's department and

[3:32] departments of social services,

[3:35] board of education and every

[3:36] county public service department

[3:40] you have touched through these

[3:40] leaders.

[3:44] As we close, heavenly father, we

[3:46] thank you again and it is done

[3:49] as we decree in the mighty name

[3:51] of jesus, the name of the

[3:55] father, son and holy spirit amen

[3:56] and amen and amen.

[3:59] >>

[3:59] of the united states of america,

[4:00] and to the republic, for which

[4:01] it stands, one nation, under

[4:02] GOD, indivisible, with liberty

[4:12] and justice for all. Thank you

[4:13] pastor if you want to tell us

[4:15] about yourself or your ministry

[4:20] that you are affiliated with?

[4:23] >> I'm debra kinser an assistant

[4:27] for first pentecostal fellowship

[4:30] and world wide ministries.

[4:35] The presiding pastors over it is

[4:42] apostle frederick nuoso and fred

[4:43] an

[4:45] nuoso

[4:46] nuoso.

[4:50] We have a church here off of

[4:51] mcarthur street.

[4:53] We are building it back because

[4:55] it felt apart for a minute there

[4:58] due to the 2020 recession thing

[5:01] that we had going on for covid

[5:02] you know so we're trying to

[5:06] build that back up.

[5:09] We have some ministries called

[5:11] global peace missions helping

[5:13] people to build their lives

[5:15] again around the world.

[5:19] We have also headed by

[5:21] evangelist linda branch cora's

[5:22] closet.

[5:23] She's part of the ministry and

[5:26] is ne of our evangelists and we

[5:28] have pastor erry who is doing a

[5:31] lot of different work with the

[5:32] motorcycle clubs.

[5:34] I forget what he called the

[5:37] ministry but he's doing those

[5:41] works and head kingdom sos.

[5:43] >> thank you.

[5:49] Let's give pastor kins see

[5:51] kinsey a round of applause.

[5:53] Keep up the good work nd

[5:53] congratulations on rebuilding

[5:55] and we know you will continue to

[5:56] do great things.

[5:58] Thank you for coming to join us

[5:59] and pray for us tonight.

[6:01] We have a special recognition

[6:05] and I'll turn that over to

[6:07] council member thompson and I

[6:10] think MR. Brook redding took

[6:13] care of that from the parks and

[6:14] rec taff perspective.

[6:16] >> thank you MR. Mayor.

[6:18] It was our initiative where we

[6:20] did the youth curfew ordinance

[6:22] to incorporate a junior mayor

[6:24] for the city of fayetteville.

[6:26] This is one program I thought

[6:27] would be pertinent for us to

[6:29] communicate with our youth to

[6:31] find out what their needs and

[6:32] desires are and that

[6:34] presentation will be done today

[6:37] on who our taff has appointed.

[6:40] MR. Brook will come and give us

[6:42] a small briefing and introduce

[6:45] our new junior mayor.

[6:47] >> good evening mayor and

[6:48] council.

[6:51] Sorry to walk in there.

[6:53] senior assistant to the city

[6:56] manager's office so I don't see

[6:59] them here but back in MAY we

[7:00] were given instruction to

[7:03] establish a junior mayor program

[7:07] with the F.Y. Y c and that was

[7:08] helped with mike gibson and his

[7:11] team and they have redone, go

[7:13] ahead and come up, and

[7:16] implemented this so that the

[7:20] chair formerly is now the junior

[7:20] mayor.

[7:21] [Applause]

[7:24] >> hi everyone.

[7:26] [Applause]

[7:28] Yeah so good evening mayor and

[7:28] council.

[7:30] First I want to thank GOD for

[7:31] this opportunity for guiding me

[7:33] on this journey.

[7:35] I'm honored to be standing here

[7:38] today as the newly inducted

[7:40] junior mayor of fayetteville.

[7:42] To y family and friends and

[7:43] mentor has the thank you for

[7:45] supporting me and pushing me to

[7:46] grow as a leader.

[7:47] I want to recognize my family

[7:49] here tonight.

[7:52] It's crowded but I saw my family

[7:52] right there.

[7:56] >> stand up family, stand up

[7:56] family.

[7:57] [Applause]

[7:59] >> alright.

[8:01] >> that's my fmily.

[8:05] It's much igger but that's my

[8:06] family.

[8:07] Your love and encouragement

[8:10] means the world to me.

[8:12] To my youth council family thank

[8:13] you for being part of my

[8:15] leadership journey.

[8:17] You inspire me with your passion

[8:19] and dedication and creativity.

[8:21] I'd like to recognize my

[8:22] executive board and other

[8:24] members of the council.

[8:26] This first three rows.

[8:31] If you guys can stand up?

[8:32] [Applause]

[8:33] >> alright.

[8:35] >> we just had our second

[8:37] meeting of the year last monday

[8:40] and they are doing phenomenal

[8:40] already.

[8:43] The next time I report I will

[8:45] share the projects they are

[8:45] working on.

[8:48] Good job guys.

[8:49] [Applause]

[8:50] Yes.

[8:52] As junior mayor I'm excited to

[8:54] continue the work for

[8:55] fayetteville to listen, serve

[8:57] and make sure your voices are

[8:57] heard.

[8:58] Thank you all again for trusting

[9:00] me with this role and I'm

[9:02] grateful and otivated and ready

[9:05] to continue to work for

[9:06] fayetteville.

[9:07] [Applause]

[9:10] >> alright.

[9:11] Well thank yu.

[9:15] We are glad to welcome you MADAM

[9:19] Mayor.

[9:22] We look forward to great things.

[9:26] I didn't mean to steal your

[9:26] light.

[9:28] >> I want to add the symposium

[9:30] they had.

[9:32] This was a young individual on

[9:34] the stage and this was their

[9:35] feedback on what our youth are

[9:37] looking for in the city of

[9:40] fayetteville to make us the

[9:42] all-american can do city that we

[9:44] are so give it up for these

[9:47] youth doing great things for

[9:48] fayetteville.

[9:57] [Applause]

[10:01] Come on back up here MADAM

[10:44] Mayor.

[10:45] >> alright.

[10:47] Again we thank you so much and

[10:49] look forward to the great things

[10:54] that you all will do.

[10:56] Continue doing in our community,

[10:58] our future is bright.

[10:59] I'm encouraged.

[11:01] When I need to call it a sick

[11:02] I'll call you so be around to

[11:05] take it on.

[11:07] Thank you for joining our

[11:08] family.

[11:09] It is a product of your work and

[11:11] investment so thank you for what

[11:14] you have contributed to our

[11:14] city, as well.

[11:17] Council with that we'll move

[11:18] from there to the announcement

[11:19] section.

[11:22] I didn't see anything.

[11:23] Council member benavente?

[11:23] >> thank you.

[11:26] I wanted to let everyone know

[11:28] this coming saturday NOVEMBER

[11:30] first of 2025 at 10:00 A.M. In

[11:32] downtown fayetteville the

[11:33] veteran's council invites the

[11:35] community to come together in

[11:37] celebration of our nation's

[11:40] heroes at the veteran's day

[11:43] parade this saturday FEBRUARY

[11:44] first at downtown fayetteville

[11:48] and this year's theme is

[11:51] highlighting a military

[11:51] community.

[11:53] >> thank you sir.

[11:55] Council with that we'll move to,

[11:59] we have our assistant city

[12:03] manager MS. Can kelly

[12:03] strickland.

[12:04] >> good evening.

[12:08] I'm honored to fill in for DR.

[12:09] Hewitt tonight and have one item

[12:11] for the manager's report and I'd

[12:17] like to invite to the podium

[12:21] please, MR. Willie henry, john

[12:23] wesley.

[12:29] MR. Adam faulkner and kenneth

[12:30] minore.

[12:32] >> ya'll in trouble fellas.

[12:36] Come bearing gifts, huh?

[12:37] >> absolutely they do.

[12:39] The city of fayetteville has

[12:41] earned double recognition from

[12:44] the national association of

[12:45] government web professionals.

[12:47] Our team was awarded with both

[12:50] the pinnacle award and the

[12:53] members choice award in the city

[12:58] county medium group category

[13:02] comprised of to 221 thousand.

[13:04] They impressed judges with

[13:06] excellence in content,

[13:07] organization, design,

[13:10] performance and accessibility

[13:12] while also resonating with the n

[13:17] agw members who selected it as

[13:18] their top choice.

[13:24] This dual honor is the effort to

[13:27] make a digital community and

[13:28] setting a high standard for

[13:31] government design and this as a

[13:34] national award.

[13:38] >> congratulations.

[13:40] >> thank you.

[13:42] I think it's important to point

[13:46] it is is not just the team here.

[13:47] There is a large team behind

[13:48] I.T. And a large team behind

[13:51] them and then we have managers

[13:53] in all the departments and it

[13:54] was all the work coming together

[13:56] to make this award possible.

[13:57] >> we hank ou for the work you

[13:59] do for the city.

[14:01] What you do is so valuable

[14:04] behind the scenes and out front.

[14:06] The city could not run without

[14:08] technology so thank you for

[14:10] that.

[14:15] Congratulations.

[14:16] [Applause]

[14:20] >> quick photo.

[14:25] >> congratulations.

[14:27] Now before we take this picture

[14:28] the gentlemen that's in mid

[14:31] financial you can slide to your

[14:36] left or right.

[14:47] That's good.

[14:48] Alright.

[14:55] Congratulations guys.

[14:55] Alright.

[14:58] >> that's all I have this

[14:58] evening.

[15:00] >> thank you s. Strickland.

[15:02] we appreciate it.

[15:04] 6.0 approval of the agenda.

[15:06] We'll look for motion to approve

[15:08] and is banks-mclaughlin on?

[15:09] Good evening.

[15:12] >> yes, good evening.

[15:16] >> motion by council member

[15:17] haire?

[15:18] I'm sorry.

[15:21] >> I'd like to move 9.0 agenda

[15:24] items to be placed before 8.0

[15:26] agenda items.

[15:28] >> so 9 point section the public

[15:30] hearing items will come

[15:33] following consent in your

[15:33] motion?

[15:34] >> yes, sir.

[15:36] >> motion to approve with the

[15:38] changes seconded by michael

[15:41] harris any discussion?

[15:48] Council look for your votes.

[15:50] >> greene.

[15:56] >> who else are we missing?

[15:57] Motion carries.

[16:01] Moving to the tems that were

[16:03] we'll look for on consent.

[16:08] Motion for consent?

[16:08] Council member thompson?

[16:11] >> move that we prove the

[16:12] consent agenda MR. Mayor?

[16:15] >> move to approve and seconded

[16:18] by haire.

[16:19] Looks like.

[16:20] Council member benavente?

[16:22] >> this MAY be for the city

[16:24] attorney or the city manager.

[16:26] There was a vote taken upstairs

[16:28] to move the work session that

[16:30] was cheduled for NOVEMBER 3rd

[16:31] to NOVEMBER 10.

[16:33] Is that considered to be part of

[16:34] this consent agenda because I

[16:37] want to make sure I don't give

[16:39] approval for what I felt like

[16:41] was an in proper motion?

[16:43] >> no sir.

[16:44] >> thank you.

[16:48] >> council, I look for your

[16:54] votes.

[16:55] Council member banks-mclaughlin?

[16:56] >> greene.

[16:57] >> motion carries.

[16:59] Council moving to the public

[17:04] hearing items.

[17:06] It's time for the public hearing

[17:08] and we're preparing to hold the

[17:11] public hearing with the city

[17:13] council formerly seeks your

[17:13] input.

[17:15] Individuals must've signed up

[17:16] with city clerk by name and

[17:17] address before the start of the

[17:18] meeting tonight.

[17:20] We'll begin with a staff

[17:21] presentation and then move into

[17:22] the formal hearing.

[17:24] 15 minutes will be allowed for

[17:26] those in favor and apposed of

[17:27] the item.

[17:28] Individual seakers are limited

[17:30] to three minutes each unless by

[17:33] previous arrangement a single

[17:35] spokesman has been designated

[17:37] and in which case they can use

[17:38] the entire 15 minutes.

[17:40] When the clerk calls your name

[17:41] come to the podium and state

[17:43] your name and address for the

[17:46] record and address the counsel.

[17:49] When the light changes to amber

[17:52] you have 30 seconds remaining

[17:55] and then the light will turn

[17:55] red.

[18:06] I'll turn it to you MR. Harmon.

[18:07] Council member davis?

[18:09] >> per the applicant they were

[18:13] asking for this to be tabled so

[18:16] I will move that we table this.

[18:17] >> which item?

[18:23] >> 9.01 for the rezoning.

[18:26] >> did you have any more clarity

[18:29] on that MR. Harmon what's behind

[18:29] this?

[18:32] >> according to the e-mail that

[18:35] the clerk's office got the owner

[18:37] of this property is out of the

[18:40] country due to an emergency

[18:40] situation.

[18:41] >> okay.

[18:43] This is a motion to table is

[18:44] there a date?

[18:50] >> I move we table it to JANUARY

[18:52] 26th.

[18:53] 2026.

[18:55] >> so JANUARY?

[18:59] >> JANUARY 26th, 2026.

[19:00] >> okay.

[19:02] Is there a second to that?

[19:05] Seconded by council member

[19:05] hondros.

[19:07] Any discussion?

[19:08] Council member benavente?

[19:10] >> this is maybe still the

[19:12] question phase, MR. Mayor but I

[19:14] don't know if there's clarity on

[19:17] how many times a request has

[19:19] been made by the applicant to

[19:21] move the gold post on this

[19:21] discussion.

[19:23] This is not the first time is

[19:24] it?

[19:25] >> it's not.

[19:27] So this s an appeal.

[19:30] It was appealed to your meeting

[19:33] in AUGUST and in AUGUST they

[19:36] asked his be tabled until this

[19:37] meeting.

[19:37] >> why?

[19:39] Do you remember the reason for

[19:39] that?

[19:42] >> at that point they had the

[19:43] representative that was coming

[19:47] that night had a medical

[19:48] condition.

[19:51] >> so medical emergencies every

[19:53] time?

[19:54] Allegedly?

[19:56] >> that's what we've been told.

[19:59] >> you have any record of how

[20:00] many people came to speak at the

[20:03] previous occasions?

[20:05] >> I believe, MS. Clerk?

[20:09] >> yes, sir. At the AUGUST 25th

[20:10] meeting there were six speakers

[20:13] in opposition and one speaker in

[20:16] favor and we have the, well we

[20:18] have six speakers in opposition

[20:20] tonight and two in favor.

[20:22] >> if there's no other questions

[20:25] I reserve the opportunity to

[20:26] comment.

[20:27] >> this is the question phase so

[20:28] motion and second.

[20:30] >> if there's no other questions

[20:32] for anyone else?

[20:34] >> we're going to take the vote.

[20:35] >> I'll take this opportunity to

[20:38] say we have citizens that have

[20:39] been diligent organizing around

[20:44] this issue and it's no small

[20:48] feat for folks to come into city

[20:50] hall and now this is the second

[20:51] time they've organized and come

[20:55] here and it seems like if the

[21:00] shoe was not on the other foot,

[21:02] so at a certain point a judge

[21:05] will tell the attorneys you have

[21:07] had enough continuances so this

[21:08] time try your matter and all of

[21:11] us here are serving as decision

[21:13] makers and today would be the

[21:18] day to say you have had enough

[21:22] of continuance and everyone is

[21:28] here to speak so I vote against

[21:28] this.

[21:31] >> thank you COUNCILMAN.

[21:37] We'll look to you on the davis,

[21:45] hondros motion to continue to 1

[21:45] 1/26/26.

[21:50] I look for your vote.

[21:50] Council member banks-mclaughlin?

[21:52] >> red.

[21:54] >> MADAM?

[21:59] That carries so those voting

[22:00] against council member benavente

[22:01] and council member

[22:03] banks-mclaughlin, the rest are

[22:03] voting for.

[22:09] MR. Harmon or MADAM Attorney, as

[22:13] mentioned like a court she's

[22:16] been three continuances.

[22:18] So we need to hear it or dispose

[22:19] of it?

[22:21] >> member of the body could

[22:22] include that in a motion.

[22:25] >> I think we just voted on that

[22:25] one.

[22:28] >> can take another motion from

[22:30] the floor.

[22:32] >> well complicated but I think

[22:33] that's something that needs to

[22:38] be communicated in respect of

[22:39] time.

[22:40] At some point of course do say

[22:43] after two or three times.

[22:45] >> I'm willing to make the

[22:47] motion but I do have a question

[22:48] before the motion.

[22:50] So when did the e-mail come in

[22:51] that they were not going to be

[22:56] able to be here?

[22:58] >> it was originally, let me

[23:00] pull that up to make sure I have

[23:02] it correct but the official

[23:03] request to table was friday

[23:06] OCTOBER 10th and I respond on

[23:08] monday OCTOBER 13th.

[23:10] >> so my next question is, when

[23:13] we have six people here that

[23:17] signed up, did we call them?

[23:18] >> actually I called the ones

[23:20] that we had phone numbers for.

[23:22] We did not have phone numbers

[23:23] for everyone of them but I did

[23:26] call the ones we had numbers

[23:34] for.

[23:37] I'm going back to what was said.

[23:39] This is the second night they

[23:45] have come so we have ample time

[23:45] -

[23:47] but what it was motion again?

[23:51] >> just to do a new motion just

[23:54] to impress if the council passes

[23:56] this to imply or communicate

[24:00] that this was the last

[24:00] continuance.

[24:02] >> that third time is it?

[24:05] >> they can withdrawal or start

[24:06] over.

[24:07] Over.

[24:09] >> so I make a motion if the

[24:11] applicant does not show up at

[24:15] the next one on JANUARY 26th, I

[24:17] think it was, that they will

[24:19] need to withdrawal the

[24:23] application and start all over.

[24:29] >> you had a question?

[24:30] Council member hondros?

[24:32] Motion by mayor pro-tem and

[24:35] second by haire.

[24:36] question council member hondros?

[24:37] >> I don't know if I can support

[24:40] this if this is not part of our

[24:41] policy and we've not done this

[24:45] before, I think MR. Mayor you

[24:46] mentioned communicating

[24:48] council's desire of that.

[24:50] I just don't want them treated

[24:52] any different than anybody else.

[24:54] This is something we can look at

[24:56] policy committee or any other

[24:58] committee of putting in our

[25:01] policies or creative ordinances

[25:04] but if there's no limit to this

[25:05] codified in our code of

[25:07] ordinances or policies I don't

[25:10] know why we treat this applicant

[25:13] different than any other.

[25:14] >> I can retract that and say

[25:18] take it back to the policy

[25:19] committee, but I also think that

[25:22] we need to in the policy

[25:24] committee talking about getting

[25:26] phone numbers.

[25:28] >> well let me say this.

[25:31] My purpose was to be able to

[25:33] communicate some reasonable

[25:35] expectations to the applicant to

[25:37] say if this is something that's

[25:40] held our docket twice so I don't

[25:41] know it needs to be a policy

[25:44] change for the board to wales

[25:47] have discretion as to when to

[25:48] apply guidance for people

[25:51] because they are holding space,

[25:53] I understand emergencies happen

[25:56] but a court shall hear them as

[25:57] council member benavente said,

[25:59] this will be the next time or

[25:59] the last time.

[26:02] If that needs to be wrapped up

[26:04] in a motion, but I think this is

[26:06] really to see if the board had

[26:09] the will to communicate that.

[26:10] It doesn't necessary have to be

[26:12] an ordinance or resolution but

[26:13] it will just be something that

[26:16] can be communicated on behalf of

[26:19] the council when they notify the

[26:22] applicant of his approved

[26:24] continuance so are you still

[26:25] okay with that?

[26:29] >> I'd need to hear the motion

[26:29] restated.

[26:30] >> a alright.

[26:31] N alright.

[26:35] >> so if I get it right, the

[26:41] motion is to make sure that the

[26:44] applicant is aware that if he or

[26:48] she does not show up on JANUARY

[26:51] 26th, 2023 that they will have

[26:53] to start the pplication

[26:55] process.

[26:56] 2026.

[26:57] I'm so sorry.

[27:01] JANUARY 26th, 2026 that they

[27:04] will have o start the process

[27:04] over.

[27:06] >> and if I MAY, as well MR.

[27:08] Mayor, I think we can say that

[27:10] they will not get another

[27:12] continuance but I don't think we

[27:13] can force them o withdrawal.

[27:17] >> that's better.

[27:20] We'll not give another

[27:20] continuance.

[27:23] >> alright.

[27:27] COUNCILMAN Haire and thompson?

[27:31] >> now we don't have policy for

[27:37] on-going items to be continued

[27:42] then are you aying that it's

[27:45] out of order or not moved to go

[27:47] forward to the policy committee

[27:49] at least for some discussions of

[27:51] this because this is something

[27:54] that could continue to come

[27:56] forward again.

[27:58] >> so the only thing I was

[28:00] saying is that was hondros

[28:03] position but I'm saying the body

[28:05] or board needs discretion

[28:07] because each situation is

[28:07] different.

[28:09] You wouldn't want to make a firm

[28:11] policy that you would have to

[28:14] make an exception for.

[28:16] Saying you get only three and

[28:18] then some situation happens but

[28:20] I was trying to get enough

[28:21] consensus it can be communicated

[28:24] when they give him the new date

[28:27] to say council is ready to hear

[28:30] this on JANUARY 26th.

[28:33] Any other comments?

[28:34] Council member thompson?

[28:37] >> thank you MR. Mayor.

[28:39] I'm sitting here thinking.

[28:41] There is no policy.

[28:42] Has this ever happened before?

[28:45] >> we've had it come up before

[28:48] where we've had multiple

[28:48] requests.

[28:51] >> what was done in those

[28:51] instances?

[28:53] How many times you know an item

[28:55] was tken?

[28:58] >> probably around three is as

[29:00] many as I can think of but there

[29:02] could be some point in the past

[29:04] where we've done more than that.

[29:07] >> was there any suggestion of

[29:10] creating policy or ordinance to

[29:13] preclude them from having three

[29:13] or more.

[29:15] >> not that I recall.

[29:17] >> if I MAY?

[29:18] >> yes, ma'am?

[29:20] >> so I think we're talking

[29:22] about hat's going on here and I

[29:25] stated that is that we have had

[29:30] people come out to speak twice

[29:32] and they've waited here, they've

[29:35] come up and we've said we're

[29:36] continuing it chlt

[29:37] .

[29:40] I think if we knew on OCTOBER

[29:41] 12th if we could have gotten in

[29:43] touch with them and said, this

[29:45] is going to be continued, then

[29:46] that would have been a different

[29:47] story so that's when I said I

[29:50] can bring it back to ask that

[29:51] but if I need to withdrawal the

[29:55] motion, I can do that.

[29:59] >> hold on for clarification.

[30:00] Council member thompson?

[30:02] >> thank you MR. Mayor and mayor

[30:04] pro tem I like that idea because

[30:06] that can be brought back to

[30:06] policy.

[30:09] that we get the phone numbers so

[30:12] we have enough time to notify

[30:13] them so they don't have to show

[30:14] up.

[30:14] -

[30:16] that we can bring back to

[30:17] policy, MR. Mayor.

[30:20] >> my nly concern is they don't

[30:22] know it's going to be tabled

[30:23] until council comes together and

[30:25] we don't come together until

[30:27] meeting so I don't think that

[30:29] will work.

[30:30] It's just a request.

[30:33] >> council MAY or MAY not grant

[30:34] it at the time.

[30:35] Council?

[30:36] Let me bring it back to this

[30:37] particular case, right?

[30:40] We have continued this to

[30:42] JANUARY 26th of 26.

[30:44] The only question I pose for the

[30:46] body is, is there a will to

[30:48] communicate for this case, that

[30:51] to imply or to communicate to

[30:53] the applicant that we'll be

[30:55] ready to move forward on JANUARY

[30:56] 26th?

[30:57] That's the question that I have

[30:58] today.

[31:00] Now if there's a broader

[31:02] question can we capture that

[31:03] separate?

[31:06] The vote will be or whatever

[31:10] consensus you need acting

[31:12] manager for the city to notify

[31:15] him of that if there's a

[31:16] consensus of this ody that

[31:19] please be prepared on JANUARY

[31:20] 26th.

[31:20] >> yes, sir.

[31:22] That's the will of council and

[31:23] we can certainly communicate

[31:24] that.

[31:27] >> this is just the temperature.

[31:29] Does your motion still stand or

[31:31] you want to do something

[31:31] different?

[31:33] >> I think exactly what you are

[31:35] saying is my motion.

[31:35] >> okay.

[31:38] We're ready to go.

[31:40] Council I look to you for

[31:41] action.

[31:42] Consensus to communicate what

[31:45] was stated.

[31:47] MADAM Can you're the system for

[31:58] us?

[32:00] There we go.

[32:02] Council member banks-mclaughlin?

[32:04] >> green.

[32:05] >> alright.

[32:08] MR. Harmon you got it.

[32:12] Communicated.

[32:16] Those voted apposed?

[32:17] Hondros and greene.

[32:21] Motion carries 8-2 so look

[32:23] forward to dealing with this

[32:25] again in 26.

[32:28] So item 9.02.

[32:31] MR. Harmon is that you, as well?

[32:33] >> it is MR. Mayor.

[32:34] Thank you.

[32:36] The other public hearing we have

[32:40] this evening is an annexation.

[32:43] You MAY recall during your

[32:47] consent agenda, you tentatively

[32:49] approved a new zoning for this

[32:52] property if it is annexed that

[32:55] new zoning would be light

[32:55] industrial.

[32:59] This is property owned buy is

[33:01] regarding commercial development

[33:06] and lori lori epler is

[33:08] representing them.

[33:10] 3456 black and decker road just

[33:15] over 2.5 acres in COUNCILMAN

[33:16] Davis jurisdiction.

[33:18] Just to give you an idea where

[33:22] the property is located we have

[33:22] black and decker road here and

[33:27] this is the wal-mart that faces

[33:28] gillespie here.

[33:30] All of these properties through

[33:35] this area are all either city or

[33:38] county, industrial properties.

[33:41] This roperty is currently zoned

[33:44] mp in the county which is

[33:46] manufacturing which is their

[33:49] version of our industrial

[33:51] districts.

[33:53] Currently the property is vacant

[33:55] and wooded.

[33:57] Just some photographs of some of

[33:58] the surrounding things.

[34:02] There is a housing development

[34:04] kind of mainly to the south and

[34:05] some of the east of the property

[34:08] but other than that everything

[34:11] is industrial around it.

[34:13] Staff does recommend adoption of

[34:18] this proposed ordinance nnexing

[34:20] this property with an effective

[34:21] date of today.

[34:24] If you have questions of this,

[34:28] if you would wait to pose those

[34:31] to staff after your legislative

[34:34] hearing over.

[34:35] Thank you, sir.

[34:37] >> thank you MR. Harmon.

[34:38] Open the ublic hearing.

[34:42] >> we have one speaker.

[34:44] Lori epler.

[34:47] >> good evening MS. Epler, how

[34:49] are you?

[34:52] >> well MR. Mayor and council,

[34:54] as you heard the initial zoning

[34:56] was passed on your consent

[34:59] agenda so we're just asking for

[35:06] the annexing so this property

[35:07] can be developed.

[35:08] If you have questions I'll be

[35:10] here otherwise, I'll let you get

[35:11] on with your business.

[35:13] >> thank you ma'am.

[35:14] Council member davis you have a

[35:14] question?

[35:17] >> if there's no uestions I'm

[35:20] prepared to make a motion.

[35:21] >> scan your colleagues.

[35:23] I don't see any.

[35:24] Thank you.

[35:26] With that we'll close the public

[35:27] hearing.

[35:27] Council member davis?

[35:30] >> at this time I move to adopt

[35:33] the annexation oured answer in

[35:35] with OCTOBER 27th, 2025.

[35:39] >> motion and seconded by

[35:41] council member thompson to adopt

[35:47] the ordinance with pro

[35:48] annexation.

[35:48] I

[35:51] I look forward to your votes

[35:52] council.

[35:54] The screen ain't working with us

[35:57] tonight, is it?

[35:58] Alright.

[36:00] Council member banks-mclaughlin?

[36:00] >> green.

[36:01] >> alright.

[36:03] Motion carries unanimous.

[36:05] Motion adjourn.

[36:07] >> before we adjourn?

[36:09] >> oh!

[36:14] Man I done got excited.

[36:14] Oh.

[36:15] We skipped an item.

[36:17] That's what it is.

[36:20] Sorry about that chiefs.

[36:21] We're still cool.

[36:23] I'm sorry.

[36:26] We move to nine point items to

[36:26] the middle.

[36:28] I'm sorry.

[36:33] My fault.

[36:33] Haire?

[36:34] I got excited.

[36:35] >> thank you mayor.

[36:37] I want to make sure before we

[36:40] move to that item I want to make

[36:41] sure I'm on the same page

[36:43] because we did not speaking of

[36:48] it down here but in our consent

[36:52] item 7-point 0, 85 and the time

[36:55] that I was speaking of in ur

[37:02] pre meeting for 1912 murchison

[37:05] road for the demo and the

[37:07] additional time that I was

[37:10] having to discuss about how it

[37:13] would be worked out between the

[37:16] owner and staff, did we need to

[37:18] do anything about that?

[37:19] Nothing was said upstairs and it

[37:20] was just left.

[37:21] >> it's passed.

[37:23] The order is in place.

[37:26] >> it was not to change the

[37:26] order.

[37:29] It was to give the property

[37:33] owners 60 days to work with

[37:35] staff on hatever corrections or

[37:39] other provisions they were have

[37:43] the discussion about but I never

[37:45] was taking it off the demo lst.

[37:47] >> right now there's a demo

[37:49] order that will go through it's

[37:52] process which is more than

[37:53] likely that long but anyone want

[37:55] to speak to the process?

[37:56] >> I understand that and thank

[37:58] you mayor, but so that we can

[38:03] have something in the minutes to

[38:10] support what the discussion was

[38:13] >> so council member haire, that

[38:16] item is gone so we have to

[38:17] reintroduce something to go back

[38:18] and deal with that.

[38:20] You are saying to put some terms

[38:21] or provisions.

[38:25] Let me go to the attorney from a

[38:28] procedural standpoint?

[38:29] Laws that work?

[38:30] >> yes, sr.

[38:32] We can work with all property

[38:36] owners once you all approve a

[38:37] demolition ordinance.

[38:40] Our efforts for voluntary

[38:41] compliance does not stop there,

[38:44] and we do not have the ability

[38:46] to turn around the day after you

[38:48] all prove an ordinance and go

[38:50] out with a contractor which I

[38:52] mentioned is a process.

[38:54] There is a process and it does

[38:56] take some time and certainly

[38:58] during the time where we are

[39:00] still running our process to

[39:02] identify who our contractor will

[39:04] be and get them under contract

[39:06] we're in communication with

[39:07] property oners.

[39:10] If it's their desire to bring

[39:12] the roperty into compliance we

[39:13] certainly ontinue o work with

[39:15] them right up to the last

[39:16] second.

[39:18] >> then if I could, just putting

[39:20] it in the minutes not trying to

[39:23] change what's already been

[39:25] approved I would like that

[39:30] discussion to be with the other

[39:33] 2005 murchison road property.

[39:36] >> did the clerk captured the

[39:39] recording so she'll document

[39:39] accordingly.

[39:41] Moving to 8.0.

[39:43] Chief will you at?

[39:47] I didn't mean to leave you out.

[39:52] Come on up.

[40:04] Good to see you, chief.

[40:07] >> good evening MR. Mayor and

[40:08] members of the council.

[40:09] I'm before you tonight to

[40:11] present the 2025 fire department

[40:14] third quarter report.

[40:16] First we want to share a few

[40:18] quick highlights from third

[40:18] quarter.

[40:20] We advertise and hiring process

[40:24] for our plan JANUARY 2026 at the

[40:26] academy and received 245

[40:29] applicants and 63 percent of

[40:30] those were from

[40:32] under-represented populations

[40:33] and 40 were female.

[40:35] 25 recruits graduated from our

[40:39] fire academy and are completing

[40:40] emt school as we speak.

[40:42] We decided to have them on the

[40:45] fire trucks next week.

[40:48] Something really exciting our

[40:51] search and rescue team completed

[40:52] training.

[40:54] The fayetteville tech regional

[40:55] fire training facility.

[40:57] This prop is the first of it's

[41:00] kinds in the world.

[41:01] Our folks have the opportunity

[41:04] to simulate working in and train

[41:06] on working on a looded house

[41:11] and removing themselves from

[41:15] windows and attics during those

[41:15] situations.

[41:20] The folks at ftc bend over

[41:22] backwards to make sure our

[41:23] responders have anything they

[41:24] need to be successful and this

[41:28] is just the latest example.

[41:30] Our third quarter call volume

[41:33] was 7593 total calls for service

[41:37] with AUGUST being the busiest at

[41:43] 2620 of those.

[41:47] Here are incidents by category.

[41:47] 4854.

[41:50] There were 842 service calls and

[41:52] these included things like water

[41:55] leaks and public service lift

[41:55] assist.

[41:57] Assist police with some

[42:00] equipment and illegal burning.

[42:03] There were 793 good intent calls

[42:07] and are largely cancelled into

[42:10] route to smoke scares or no

[42:13] incident found upon arrival.

[42:16] 665 false fire alarms and 229

[42:19] fires and 213 hazard condition

[42:19] calls.

[42:22] These are not to be confused

[42:26] with hazard materials cause even

[42:28] though they do fall in there.

[42:30] This includes over heated

[42:31] motors.

[42:35] Electrical power lines down and

[42:36] defective equipment.

[42:39] Our response times remain

[42:42] consistent and well under our 8

[42:44] minute response time goal.

[42:46] We responded to 50 structure

[42:48] fires and 19 started in the

[42:49] kitchen.

[42:51] That number is trending back

[42:53] down in the right direction so

[42:55] we're happy about that.

[42:57] There were no fire fatalities.

[43:00] 8 civilian injuries and three

[43:01] firefighter injuries.

[43:04] 63 percent of the structures

[43:06] were contained to the roof of

[43:06] origin.

[43:09] We were able to in improve our

[43:11] dollar savory shoe.

[43:14] We're at 97.3 percent while we

[43:17] had 1.5 million in property loss

[43:20] we saw 58.4 million in property

[43:21] saved.

[43:24] There were 23 vehicle fires and

[43:27] four and one lithium battery

[43:28] fire.

[43:30] Top three fire losses last

[43:32] quarter were multi-family

[43:35] dwelling and a single-family

[43:37] dwelling on elmherst and a

[43:40] commercial structure on

[43:41] murchison road.

[43:45] As we said there were 4

[43:46] 854

[43:47] medical responses.

[43:52] As you can see the overdose

[43:54] response and narcan treatment

[43:56] continue to trend downward.

[43:59] There were 65 total has material

[44:01] responses nd 38 were natural

[44:06] gas, five were carbon monoxide

[44:09] and our regional response team

[44:10] responded to five calls outside

[44:11] of the city.

[44:14] On to our human capital.

[44:15] At the end of the third quarter

[44:18] we had 6 firefighter vacancies

[44:21] and one fire inspector vacancy

[44:24] and we welcomed academy 2-25 so

[44:26] as of today we don't have any

[44:29] firefighter vacancies and we are

[44:32] only carrying one firefighter

[44:33] inspector vacancy.

[44:37] >> that's pretty good, sir.

[44:38] [Applause]

[44:43] >> we had three retires and 8

[44:43] resignations.

[44:45] Of those only one left for

[44:46] another job in the fire service

[44:50] and that's big for us in our

[44:53] business.

[44:56] We're up to 25%

[44:57] under-represented population at

[44:58] the end of the third quarter

[45:00] while this number is still short

[45:02] of our goal of 30 percent it's

[45:06] the highest in my ten year and

[45:09] with the outcome 06 ur hiring

[45:10] process is we look forward to

[45:13] continue to move that to the

[45:14] goal.

[45:16] As you can see here our training

[45:18] and recruitment staff stayed

[45:20] busy in the third quarter.

[45:23] They did hiring, career

[45:25] development, promotions and

[45:26] career continuing education for

[45:27] our department.

[45:29] The department as a whole

[45:30] completed nearly 34 thousand

[45:31] hours of training the third

[45:32] quarter alone.

[45:35] Our goal is not to train to get

[45:37] it right but our goal is to

[45:39] train until we can't get it

[45:40] wrong.

[45:43] Moving into the fire marshal's

[45:43] office.

[45:45] As you know we've had a

[45:47] significant makeover of our

[45:49] office in the past year and a

[45:49] half.

[45:52] We've added staff and refocused

[45:54] efforts with several goals in

[45:54] mind.

[45:56] The over arching goal is

[45:57] everyone that does business in

[46:00] the city of fayetteville does it

[46:02] safely by meeting the intent of

[46:03] the fire code.

[46:04] -

[46:06] nothing more and nothing less.

[46:08] Every patron and business in the

[46:10] city of fayetteville is safe and

[46:12] not exposed to any harm.

[46:13] Lastly we want to ensure that

[46:14] anyone and everyone that wants

[46:16] to do business in this city can

[46:21] do it was providing timely plan

[46:23] reviewed and planning from the

[46:25] fire department side.

[46:28] As you can see, new plan

[46:30] reviewed are up by over 500.

[46:32] These are things like building

[46:33] plans.

[46:34] Site plans.

[46:36] Fire extinguish meant and gates

[46:38] and barricades and many other

[46:38] things.

[46:40] These are often requested as

[46:44] express reviews and with our

[46:45] reconfiguration of the office

[46:47] we're now able to meet the time

[46:48] requirements set forth by

[46:49] general statute.

[46:52] Our fire inspections are down

[46:52] -

[46:54] slightly his is because we have

[46:56] three new inspectors in training

[46:57] and they are shadowing.

[46:59] They will be released in the

[47:02] next month and this number will

[47:05] increase significantly next

[47:06] quarter.

[47:09] Fire inspections and maintenance

[47:11] inspections include foster

[47:12] homes.

[47:14] Hotels and any other commercial

[47:18] occupancy and include tent

[47:19] inspections and special event

[47:22] and fireworks inspections.

[47:23] Depending on the occupancy type

[47:26] these are done on a one to three

[47:28] year rotation per general

[47:28] statute.

[47:30] The fire code violations shook

[47:33] me up some because they are up

[47:34] dramatically.

[47:36] The number took me by surprise

[47:38] because it does not correlate to

[47:40] an ncreased number of

[47:43] inspections like 2024 did.

[47:45] So a great deal of my time and

[47:47] probably some time when I should

[47:48] have been sleeping was going

[47:51] over these numbers trying to

[47:53] digest them and working with the

[47:54] fire marshal to try to

[47:57] understand the data real honest

[47:59] answer is our fire marshal's

[48:02] office is just doing a better

[48:04] job.

[48:05] Job.

[48:06] But I need everyone to

[48:09] understand that we're not in the

[48:11] gotcha business.

[48:12] We're not doing that.

[48:14] We are in the business to make

[48:16] everything meet fire code.

[48:18] With that said 47 percent of the

[48:20] violations are identified and

[48:22] corrected at the same time so as

[48:24] the inspector and the occupant

[48:26] walk through the business they

[48:28] identify them and fix them and

[48:29] everything is good.

[48:31] This doesn't require any

[48:33] reinspections or money from our

[48:34] business owner's pockets.

[48:37] The rest are largely things that

[48:39] require license contractors to

[48:41] fix or additional parts and

[48:43] materials that are not

[48:44] immediately available.

[48:46] In 30 days we confirm these

[48:48] items have been addressed.

[48:51] I say all that to say that we,

[48:53] as a department, we need to do a

[48:55] better job of educating our

[48:56] business owners before the

[48:57] inspection.

[48:58] We have to give them the test

[49:00] but we can lso give them the

[49:02] answers to the test before we

[49:04] get there.

[49:06] So you'll see social media

[49:09] information, podcasts with

[49:10] official.

[49:13] We'll send out fliers and other

[49:13] educational information to our

[49:16] business owners and look at some

[49:17] other things.

[49:19] Community risk reduction folks

[49:21] and the help of the cities

[49:23] marketing and communications

[49:24] group.

[49:26] It's our goal and our

[49:27] responsibility to make

[49:28] information available to

[49:31] business owner, so e can set

[49:32] them up for success so that what

[49:36] we're going to do.

[49:37] The top five violations that we

[49:41] found are electrical issues,

[49:44] fire extinguishers and general

[49:46] items such as address markers

[49:48] and outdated equipment.

[49:51] Emergency power systems and fire

[49:53] protection equipment.

[49:56] Now we're moving on to the

[49:58] community reduction.

[49:59] The good stuff.

[50:02] The third quarter allowed us to

[50:05] engage 6655 residents and attend

[50:09] 164 community events and install

[50:13] 343 smoke alarms and 84 carbon

[50:16] monoxide alarms and fire

[50:16] suppressers.

[50:20] We corrected 59 child safety

[50:22] seat and taught 38 folks hands

[50:26] on only cpr and gave station

[50:27] tours and held fire

[50:28] interventions.

[50:32] Now like a broken record as I

[50:32] always am.

[50:35] Smoke alarms save lives folks.

[50:37] Fire does not discriminate.

[50:39] If you or anyone you know needs

[50:42] a smoke alarm or one checked

[50:47] please call us immediately at

[50:48] 433-1116 and we'll be there

[50:51] promptly to take care of you at

[50:52] no cost.

[50:53] Nobody should lay down their

[50:54] head to sleep without a working

[50:56] smoke alarm and I'm happy to

[50:58] take your questions.

[51:01] >> thank you, chief.

[51:04] Great presentation.

[51:06] COUNCILMAN Haire?

[51:08] >> just want to continue to give

[51:11] a thumb's up to that last scan

[51:14] bar you had up there on the

[51:15] screen.

[51:19] Chief, would you put it back

[51:19] please?

[51:22] About the free smoke detectors

[51:24] so citizens can look at that

[51:24] again.

[51:26] I want to support that statement

[51:29] that you said, chief that smoke

[51:31] detectors they do and smoke

[51:34] alarms they do save lives and we

[51:36] can't say it enough.

[51:38] We give this information out to

[51:40] all of our community watch or

[51:43] community meetings and I give it

[51:45] all the time and I know the

[51:48] number by heart and so we

[51:51] continue to push and I love to

[51:54] give you accolades on this

[51:57] because I have had a smoke

[52:02] detector and a carbon monoxide

[52:08] detector installed free by our

[52:09] fire department.

[52:12] Great job, put it in perfect

[52:13] places where you all thought

[52:15] they needed to be.

[52:17] Cleaned up after yourselves and

[52:18] was gone in about 20 minutes so

[52:21] thank you and I hope that our

[52:24] citizens will write down this

[52:29] number, 433-1116 or you can scan

[52:32] the bar and ake a picture

[52:34] because truly smoke detectors

[52:37] and carbon monoxide detectors

[52:38] save lives.

[52:40] >> we also see the qr goals on

[52:42] our fire trucks now.

[52:44] You see at the grocery store or

[52:45] at a community event you can

[52:47] walk up to the truck and scan

[52:47] it.

[52:49] >> they work.

[52:50] >> thank you.

[52:51] Council member thompson?

[52:52] >> thank ou MR. Mayor.

[52:54] Thank you chief for another

[52:55] great presentation.

[52:57] I'm excited we're getting ore

[52:58] done with less.

[53:01] That's very impressive but two

[53:01] questions.

[53:05] Can you explain to the public

[53:11] why there was arise in AUGUST?

[53:14] >> those re ebbs and flows.

[53:18] That really wasn't anything too

[53:20] exciting in our world.

[53:23] It's really about 100 calls more

[53:26] than JULY and you got to think

[53:28] most kids are out of school and

[53:31] families are on vacation and

[53:33] there's travel at the mall

[53:34] getting ready for school so

[53:36] people are busy.

[53:37] >> outstanding.

[53:39] So this is more of a question

[53:43] that I don't know if I should

[53:44] address you or the city manager

[53:46] in his absence.

[53:47] Being retired military I know

[53:49] the affects that you're okay

[53:50] participation can have on your

[53:51] life.

[53:52] Not just why you are in there

[53:55] but also after you retire.

[53:57] I know our first responders.

[54:00] fire and police see some things

[54:05] that most average person doesn't

[54:05] see.

[54:08] What precautions do we have or

[54:10] programs or counseling do we

[54:12] have to help these individuals

[54:15] during their tour and after they

[54:16] retire?

[54:19] >> I'll take care of this one,

[54:23] if you want.

[54:26] Up until about three years ago

[54:29] maybe, mental health was taboo

[54:34] in our business.

[54:38] We just started to unpack the

[54:39] box.

[54:41] There is no perfect answer for

[54:42] your question.

[54:44] We are doing things we have

[54:46] brought on our first dog and we

[54:48] have another dog coming.

[54:50] We have peer support internal

[54:51] and offered by the state.

[54:56] We have chaplain's and e A.P.

[54:59] And all those things.

[55:02] We have our fingers on the pulse

[55:06] of what everyone is doing

[55:06] nationally.

[55:08] My metro chief group we

[55:10] communicate regularly about it.

[55:12] Everyone is trying to figure

[55:14] that out but the biggest thing

[55:17] we don't have an answer for is

[55:19] post employment because all of

[55:22] our stuff is available to our

[55:25] working folks so once you retire

[55:29] there is, our internal peer

[55:31] support and state peer support

[55:33] is available but after that I

[55:34] don't know what.

[55:38] We don't have a good nswer just

[55:43] yet, but we are on it every day

[55:47] with our ears to the street.

[55:49] There's some other

[55:51] municipalities that have brought

[55:57] on some of those.

[55:59] We're washing and trying to get

[56:01] the results from that but I'm

[56:03] comfortable and confident saying

[56:05] anything that I come up with

[56:06] I'll get full support from the

[56:08] city manager's office and from

[56:10] you guys because I have never

[56:12] not gotten that support.

[56:14] I know that doesn't answer your

[56:14] question.

[56:15] >> I did.

[56:18] >> hope you are comfortable

[56:20] knowing that one of our

[56:21] assistant chiefs we do know it's

[56:23] an issue and we're actively

[56:25] looking but there's no answer at

[56:26] this time.

[56:28] >> that was a conversation piece

[56:32] we had during a chat about some

[56:35] of the trauma our first

[56:36] responders go through with some

[56:39] of the scenes they have to go to

[56:42] and this traumatizing.

[56:44] It stays with you or the rest

[56:46] of your life and you will need

[56:48] that exterior help now or in the

[56:49] future we want to make sure

[56:50] that's available for all of our

[56:53] first responders.

[56:56] Thank you chief and MR. Mayor.

[56:59] >> council member davis?

[57:01] >> I think on the slide where

[57:02] you have the fire inspections I

[57:06] want to say thank you for, you

[57:08] can inform the business owners

[57:10] in reference to violations

[57:12] because I receive a lot of phone

[57:15] calls and texts to references

[57:17] like church and projects and

[57:18] businesses because of the

[57:19] violations because they don't

[57:20] understand the process so thank

[57:21] you for that, sir.

[57:24] >> like I said we have to give

[57:26] you it but there's nothing

[57:27] saying that we can't give you

[57:32] the answers to the test

[57:32] beforehand.

[57:35] >> I move that we accept the

[57:37] report from the fire department.

[57:38] >> alright.

[57:39] Motion by council member

[57:41] thompson and second by council

[57:43] member davis.

[57:44] Discussion?

[57:48] council I look for your vote.

[57:50] Council member banks-mclaughlin?

[57:52] >> green.

[57:55] >> alright.

[57:58] Great job, chief, thank you.

[58:02] MADAM Clerk it's unanimous.

[58:05] And to your team, chief.

[58:07] No man is an island so thank you

[58:10] to all the firefighters and to

[58:10] your team, as well.

[58:13] First responders.

[58:13] Alright.

[58:16] Chief bryant where are you at,

[58:16] sir?

[58:18] It's your turn.

[58:21] Come on down.

[58:22] >> good evening.

[58:28] First of all I'd like to give

[58:30] chief and his team a round of

[58:32] applause in regarding being able

[58:35] to fill those vacancies because

[58:38] I understand that it is a

[58:41] challenge and it's extremely

[58:42] impressive when they fill all

[58:47] over their vacancies so mayor

[58:49] and city council and senior

[58:53] leadership team and junior MADAM

[58:56] Mayor, she's left, has to go to

[58:58] school, my name s roberto brian

[59:00] and time chief-of-police for

[59:01] fayetteville police department

[59:05] and here to present our third

[59:09] quarter report today.

[59:24] Here is our slide.

[59:24] Alright.

[59:27] As you'll see our third quarter

[59:29] report will cover JANUARY

[59:33] through SEPTEMBER of 2025.

[59:36] On our slide here will cover our

[59:38] crime tatistics and crime

[59:41] trends and our fighting, crime

[59:42] fighting strategies and

[59:45] community engagement.

[59:48] As you'll see on this slide here

[59:50] in terms of what we're doing as

[59:53] a department, total crime is

[59:58] down by over 10% and our arrests

[1:00:03] are also down by just under one

[1:00:03] percent

[1:00:04] percent.

[1:00:09] you can see our crime is down,

[1:00:10] as well as person's crimes and

[1:00:12] property crimes and we continue

[1:00:16] to move in the downward trend.

[1:00:21] As you'll see violent crime by

[1:00:24] far, the elephant in the room is

[1:00:25] our homicides.

[1:00:27] At the beginning of the year we

[1:00:30] were hit pretty hard with those

[1:00:32] incidents that took place and so

[1:00:34] far we're continuing to trend

[1:00:36] down but because of that spike

[1:00:38] in the beginning of the year

[1:00:42] we're still up at 68 percent but

[1:00:44] if you look at the rest of the

[1:00:49] part one crimes, those are all

[1:00:51] down double-digits so we're

[1:00:54] still being able to come ahead

[1:00:58] and turn to those numbers.

[1:01:02] As you'll see here, our homicide

[1:01:10] unit where we have 3 incidents.

[1:01:14] 34 omicides and you'll see our

[1:01:16] overdoses and suicides.

[1:01:18] >> 32 homicides, right?

[1:01:21] I want to make sure the press

[1:01:24] got that MR. Duffy.

[1:01:26] Not 34.

[1:01:27] Got it.

[1:01:28] >> so one of the things that I

[1:01:30] want to make sure too that we

[1:01:31] understand in terms of what

[1:01:35] we're looking at in terms of our

[1:01:37] homicide department and unit

[1:01:38] they are doing an exceptional

[1:01:41] job in terms of when we have the

[1:01:43] national rate for clearances

[1:01:47] about 58 percent our current

[1:01:49] assistance is 87.5 and we

[1:01:52] recently attended the

[1:01:53] international association of the

[1:01:57] chief of police and they had

[1:01:59] other homicide units that were

[1:02:01] ranting about their numbers and

[1:02:01] -

[1:02:02] their numbers were not as good

[1:02:05] as or, so I would complend our

[1:02:08] homicide units to be able to

[1:02:10] solve these crimes and put these

[1:02:12] with a bad actors in jail in

[1:02:14] terms of what we're able to do

[1:02:17] here in the city of

[1:02:18] fayetteville.

[1:02:20] >> MR. Mayor can we ask

[1:02:21] questions as we go or you want

[1:02:24] to wait to the end?

[1:02:25] >> thank you.

[1:02:29] I'll come back to you.

[1:02:32] >> also I want to specify in

[1:02:35] terms of the homicides we have

[1:02:38] about ten of these incidents

[1:02:43] were domestic and 18 were known

[1:02:44] individuals that knew each other

[1:02:47] so none of these are random in

[1:02:49] terms of random crimes.

[1:02:51] These are all individuals that

[1:02:54] no each other or have some type

[1:02:57] of relationship rior to.

[1:02:59] Regarding our domestic these are

[1:03:00] our numbers.

[1:03:03] We are trending down in terms of

[1:03:07] those numbers, as well and we

[1:03:11] continue to work with the center

[1:03:14] to make sure victims that are in

[1:03:17] these toxic relationships

[1:03:19] receive the assistance they need

[1:03:20] to get out of that situation and

[1:03:22] that we encourage and do

[1:03:24] everything we can to go ahead

[1:03:25] for them to press charges

[1:03:28] against those abusers.

[1:03:30] >> chief before you go into this

[1:03:31] one.

[1:03:32] Council member thompson?

[1:03:33] >> he answered the question.

[1:03:35] I didn't know what the break

[1:03:37] down of the homicides.

[1:03:41] Were they domestic or acts of

[1:03:44] dye violence, he answered that.

[1:03:49] >> alright chief.Violence, he answered that.

[1:03:51] >> alright chief.

[1:03:54] This is our shot spotter.

[1:03:55] 340 alerts.

[1:03:57] That breaks down by district and

[1:04:00] the shell casings that are also

[1:04:03] recovered in each district.

[1:04:07] Guns and also, arrests resulting

[1:04:10] in those shot spot alerts.

[1:04:11] I think one of the questions

[1:04:14] that came about last friday in

[1:04:16] terms of when we have the

[1:04:17] arrests out of the 14 we've had

[1:04:19] or during this period you are

[1:04:22] talking about 13 out of the 14

[1:04:24] of these arrests were weapons

[1:04:27] recovered or related to a weapon

[1:04:29] so that's the numbers in terms

[1:04:33] of the request that we had on

[1:04:40] friday.

[1:04:45] Next slide is our shot spotter

[1:04:46] dashboard that any citizen here

[1:04:48] in fayetteville or anywhere can

[1:04:51] go on the our website and you

[1:04:52] can see these numbers.

[1:04:54] What I will also make sure that

[1:04:57] everyone understands, these

[1:05:00] numbers are continuously

[1:05:02] fluctuating as when we have an

[1:05:04] analyst that can provide

[1:05:04] additional information.

[1:05:06] One of the questions that came

[1:05:08] up recently is regarding blanks

[1:05:11] and as you see up there, it

[1:05:13] shows like 246 so currently

[1:05:15] we're working with I.T. And

[1:05:17] members of their team with our

[1:05:20] team to figure out a better

[1:05:23] category in terms of blanks so

[1:05:24] it won't answer or raise

[1:05:27] questions regarding what is

[1:05:27] blank.

[1:05:29] Now I'd like to give you an

[1:05:31] example of what we're talking

[1:05:34] about blank in terms of I'll

[1:05:38] give you an example.

[1:05:40] This scenario here.

[1:05:43] We have, this was last thursday

[1:05:47] about 9:30 last night.

[1:05:49] All of our commanders.

[1:05:52] We have this on our app on our

[1:05:53] phone.

[1:05:54] When we get an alert this is

[1:05:56] what we experience and this is

[1:06:07] what we hear.

[1:06:07] >> wow.

[1:06:11] >> I'll play that one more time.

[1:06:12] Listen.

[1:06:14] Right after you heard the last

[1:06:25] shot tell me what you hear.

[1:06:25] >> car.

[1:06:27] >> thank you.

[1:06:30] that's what we hear.

[1:06:34] This call we responded to.

[1:06:38] There was no 911 call.

[1:06:40] There were no witnesses.

[1:06:43] There were no victims.

[1:06:44] >> thank GOD.

[1:06:48] >> but officers responded and

[1:06:51] recovered shell casings.

[1:06:54] That is categorized as a blank

[1:06:58] until we're able to tie those

[1:07:01] casings to an incident or to

[1:07:03] another case.

[1:07:06] That is what shot spotter does.

[1:07:08] And that's what we're alking

[1:07:11] about when we're talking about

[1:07:13] 80 percent of the alerts are

[1:07:18] those that are coming without a

[1:07:21] 911 call ut we're still able to

[1:07:22] gather something so we can move

[1:07:24] forward with an investigation.

[1:07:27] It might not happen today or

[1:07:29] next month, months from now but

[1:07:31] usually we're able to tie it up

[1:07:34] and then we're able to kind of

[1:07:35] piece together where those shell

[1:07:38] casings are with other incidents

[1:07:40] that MAY occur in or around the

[1:07:41] city.

[1:07:45] >> chief, I did have two

[1:07:45] questions.

[1:07:46] I guess council member benavente

[1:07:48] changed his perspective.

[1:07:50] >> you applied t to him so you

[1:07:51] can apply it to me.

[1:07:53] >> that's right.

[1:07:56] >> chief brian I appreciate the

[1:07:57] example.

[1:08:00] How often do you guys review the

[1:08:04] sounds of those, I guess 200

[1:08:08] blanks or how many was it?

[1:08:08] >> 246.

[1:08:11] We do every single one of them.

[1:08:14] We have an, analyst assigned to

[1:08:17] listen to every single call and

[1:08:19] categorize them and they put in

[1:08:21] the notes whatever notes the

[1:08:23] field MAY have and this is one

[1:08:24] of the things that we want to

[1:08:27] make sure we educate the public

[1:08:27] on.

[1:08:29] this is not something that's

[1:08:31] happening right away because our

[1:08:34] analysts have to go through

[1:08:36] reports and listen to these

[1:08:37] sounds, and if any additional

[1:08:39] information comes back from our

[1:08:42] casings to be able to connect to

[1:08:44] another case then there being

[1:08:46] able to connect that particular

[1:08:48] casing or incident back to

[1:08:49] another case.

[1:08:50] >> chief I understand that if

[1:08:53] you find casings you can do that

[1:08:56] but I'm saying of the 246

[1:09:00] examples, what window of this?

[1:09:03] JANUARY to this day?

[1:09:04] >> correct.

[1:09:09] >> how many of those have been

[1:09:10] reviewed?

[1:09:16] >> as you'll see they are being

[1:09:16] reviewed.

[1:09:17] >> so someone has listened to

[1:09:19] all of those recordings and you

[1:09:22] are still unable to categorize

[1:09:24] them when listening to them?

[1:09:28] >> it's not about listening but

[1:09:31] whether or not we recovered

[1:09:33] witnesses or casings or

[1:09:35] something that we can come up to

[1:09:36] tie that particular incident.

[1:09:39] >> you were there when the

[1:09:42] wilson center talked to us about

[1:09:44] why they were not able to give

[1:09:48] us as good a feedback as

[1:09:49] charlotte and durham and one of

[1:09:54] the reasons was the spotty way

[1:09:56] we collect data and the reason

[1:09:58] I'm concerned about the blanks

[1:10:01] is we're not actually asking the

[1:10:04] questions to give I believe a

[1:10:07] transparent and thorough program

[1:10:09] to what this does and does not

[1:10:11] do because I know it will be a

[1:10:13] chief to say only the good

[1:10:15] things but I really need

[1:10:15] somebody.

[1:10:17] Maybe the city manager or

[1:10:19] somebody else to tell us what

[1:10:20] are the pros and the cons

[1:10:22] because if you can't be I guess

[1:10:22] -

[1:10:24] fair in your assessment to say

[1:10:27] these are times when the shot

[1:10:30] spotter showed it was a power

[1:10:32] tool or this was a time when the

[1:10:35] shot spotter showed another loud

[1:10:36] noise because I've heard that

[1:10:38] from members of the team but I

[1:10:40] never hear it in public when

[1:10:42] it's time to be a countable to

[1:10:44] the citizens that want to know

[1:10:47] the good, bad and ugly with

[1:10:49] money that we're spending when

[1:10:50] you said homicides.

[1:10:53] It's known people, domestic

[1:10:56] situations and the things police

[1:10:58] will never be able to do

[1:11:00] anything about but if we start

[1:11:02] to help these people we

[1:11:03] eliminate those kinds of

[1:11:05] conflict but you are aying no

[1:11:07] we need the money for the

[1:11:08] microphones.

[1:11:10] Tell us good and the bad and the

[1:11:10] ugly.

[1:11:13] All 246 of those you heard and

[1:11:15] confirm they are indeed gunshot?

[1:11:18] >> no they are still being

[1:11:18] reviewed.

[1:11:19] >> so when you pick out one you

[1:11:22] give the impression that's how

[1:11:24] it happened all 246 times and

[1:11:25] that's not honest.

[1:11:28] >> what we're talking about is

[1:11:31] that specific incident but if

[1:11:32] you look at the MISS

[1:11:34] Classification by type we're

[1:11:37] showing you there's a false

[1:11:40] positive or three MISS Located

[1:11:41] shots, as well.

[1:11:41] >> what were those?

[1:11:45] >> I can tell you in terms of if

[1:11:46] it's a alse positive it was not

[1:11:47] a gunshot?

[1:11:49] >> what was it then?

[1:11:51] >> I couldn't tell you what it

[1:11:52] is but I can tell you with us

[1:11:53] anoint gunshot.

[1:11:55] >> when you ant to gragg about

[1:11:58] the one time that it sounds

[1:12:00] dramatic and avoid showing us a

[1:12:03] power tool that might sound

[1:12:04] similar so you can imagine the

[1:12:07] question marks other cities have

[1:12:09] come to saying are we getting

[1:12:10] what we pay for?

[1:12:13] We have independent people

[1:12:14] without skin in the game that

[1:12:17] want to paint things in a

[1:12:21] particular light.

[1:12:22] They say 23 percent of the time

[1:12:24] and then you come back and say

[1:12:25] it is 99 percent of the time

[1:12:27] when I think of who's going to

[1:12:29] be honest about t is's going to

[1:12:32] be the independent evaluators

[1:12:35] without skin in the game.

[1:12:40] >> COUNCILMAN Let's keep this in

[1:12:42] an in quiztive way and not

[1:12:43] accuse or the way.

[1:12:48] >> a little bit where I differ,

[1:12:55] chief, I'm happy out of what

[1:12:57] ever the number.

[1:13:00] But the 246?

[1:13:03] Out of the 246, as I have stated

[1:13:11] from the very beginning of using

[1:13:13] every helpful tool in our

[1:13:16] arsenal to support the fight

[1:13:18] against crime and these

[1:13:18] shootings.

[1:13:19] And whatever this was.

[1:13:20] I'm proud of that.

[1:13:26] I'm roud of the one.

[1:13:31] I who know it's more but this

[1:13:34] particular incident on southern

[1:13:36] avenue there were some shells,

[1:13:38] and if it wasn't for shot

[1:13:41] spotter you said that there

[1:13:45] where you say no assistance of a

[1:13:47] 911 call with this, so I do

[1:13:49] support that and I'm thankful

[1:13:55] for that.

[1:13:58] If we can help shut down one I'm

[1:14:00] thankful to have that tool.

[1:14:03] Now my question also because you

[1:14:05] said if there are shells and

[1:14:07] thing as long that line

[1:14:08] especially with this particular

[1:14:10] case that you found some shells,

[1:14:13] do you all also and this is

[1:14:16] probably a little crazy

[1:14:17] question, but do ou also look

[1:14:21] for fingerprints on those?

[1:14:23] >> they will do a full analysis

[1:14:24] of everything that they can go

[1:14:27] ahead and recover from any shell

[1:14:28] casings that they recover.

[1:14:31] >> so that's nother part of a

[1:14:33] help with the shot spotter for

[1:14:37] this arsenal in the tool box.

[1:14:40] Not only can we get the shells

[1:14:44] but we can also get any possible

[1:14:45] fingerprints.

[1:14:46] >> that's correct.

[1:14:47] >> council member thompson?

[1:14:50] >> thank you MR. Mayor and thank

[1:14:51] you chief.

[1:14:54] I just want to regurgitate

[1:14:56] something I heard chief braeyden

[1:14:58] speaking of while he was the

[1:15:01] chief and I'm glad to see him in

[1:15:02] the back row back there.

[1:15:04] He was trained on what a gunshot

[1:15:06] sounds like and I know that all

[1:15:07] of your officers are trained

[1:15:09] because they hear it all the

[1:15:12] time so I know they know the

[1:15:13] difference between what a

[1:15:16] gunshot and a power drill is so

[1:15:18] I'm thankful for the work that

[1:15:20] they've done and the comment

[1:15:23] made about shady work I trust

[1:15:26] and believe that our officers

[1:15:27] are doing everything.

[1:15:30] >> the term was shotty.

[1:15:32] >> whatever the determination

[1:15:33] you used.

[1:15:36] I know our officers are truthful

[1:15:40] and faithful and obligated to

[1:15:41] protect the citizens.

[1:15:44] >> don't MISS Quote me.

[1:15:47] >> you can press your button the

[1:15:49] you want to.

[1:15:50] Sorry.

[1:15:51] COUNCILMAN Benavente it's not

[1:15:52] your turn.

[1:15:54] I'll come back to you.

[1:15:55] I said t was council member

[1:15:56] thompson and myself and then

[1:16:00] press your button.

[1:16:01] chief, thank you.

[1:16:03] >> thank you for that.

[1:16:05] What I'll say is this.

[1:16:07] There's two things you

[1:16:08] mentioned.

[1:16:12] One I know the gifts started off

[1:16:14] tough for us and I think during

[1:16:16] your first quarter presentation

[1:16:17] I was looking for it when you

[1:16:19] did the year-to-year comparison

[1:16:22] it was like 300 plus, percent so

[1:16:24] it's declined significantly.

[1:16:26] Do you remember what we were at

[1:16:28] the second quarter or like out

[1:16:30] of those 32, how many came the

[1:16:33] first three or four months, do

[1:16:37] you know?

[1:16:40] >> I know it was a lt.

[1:16:41] You're right.

[1:16:43] Over 300 percent.

[1:16:46] >> so it's got a pretty sharp

[1:16:47] decline.

[1:16:50] It was like 25 the first three

[1:16:52] or four month?

[1:16:55] >> 366 was the percentage.

[1:16:58] At the time in terms of the

[1:16:59] comparison from 25 to 24.

[1:17:01] >> so it's decreased

[1:17:02] significantly for it to be 60

[1:17:05] percent and that's just a

[1:17:06] comparison to this time last

[1:17:07] year?

[1:17:09] >> that's correct.

[1:17:10] >>, so I wanted to highlight

[1:17:13] that because at some point the

[1:17:15] community took an assistance

[1:17:17] around APRIL or MAY when it was

[1:17:19] a ighlighted discussion and we

[1:17:22] can see that there has been a

[1:17:23] significant decrease so I'd ike

[1:17:26] to see that maybe on some other

[1:17:30] chart that trends t by month to

[1:17:32] show if there was a precipitous

[1:17:33] drop in it.

[1:17:35] Other part I want to highlight

[1:17:37] is I don't know about everybody

[1:17:42] but to me, when you hear 18

[1:17:45] shots or so, you know I grew up

[1:17:47] in a neighborhood where you hear

[1:17:49] that and sometimes they don't

[1:17:53] call 911 every time.

[1:17:58] 14 guns to be recovered that

[1:17:59] from one district.

[1:18:01] >> that's across all of them.

[1:18:04] >> for this quarterly from

[1:18:06] JANUARY to SEPTEMBER?

[1:18:07] >> correct.

[1:18:11] >> and nine arrests made in

[1:18:14] somehow connection to that?

[1:18:15] >> correct.

[1:18:17] >> I don't know how that's a bad

[1:18:18] thing.

[1:18:20] 14 more guns are off the street.

[1:18:22] The speed in where the shots

[1:18:25] came out did that seem like a

[1:18:26] regular semiautomatic.

[1:18:29] >> that was rapid fire.

[1:18:32] I wouldn't say

[1:18:35] casey my automatic.

[1:18:37] >> if you have shell casings and

[1:18:40] at some point you are matching

[1:18:42] these things to other incidents

[1:18:45] and you make arrests what would

[1:18:48] be helpful is if that place

[1:18:50] holder was not called blank to

[1:18:53] leave open to interpretation

[1:18:56] blanks or some unknown that

[1:18:58] maybe could rename that pending

[1:18:58] investigation.

[1:19:01] >> we're working right now ith

[1:19:02] members of the senior leadership

[1:19:06] team to develop a better

[1:19:07] category so that won't be there

[1:19:09] so we're going to do that and

[1:19:12] have that ready next quarter.

[1:19:14] >> right and the final thing

[1:19:17] I'll say before I go to council

[1:19:18] member benavente I'm sure the

[1:19:20] residents appreciated you

[1:19:23] showing up after they heard that

[1:19:25] and whether it leads to

[1:19:27] something today or tomorrow, I

[1:19:29] don't think this is a bad thing

[1:19:32] for you to have an extra tool to

[1:19:33] put you n the right path to

[1:19:37] show up and to respond, so I'm

[1:19:40] glad to hear you say that and

[1:19:42] look forward to hear more about

[1:19:43] it as we analyze the data and

[1:19:46] everything so I'll go to council

[1:19:46] member benavente.

[1:19:48] >> do have a question to

[1:19:48] clarify.

[1:19:50] But I wanted to make sure that I

[1:19:55] wasn't being misquoted by MR.

[1:19:55] Thompson.

[1:19:58] We had an independent evaluator

[1:20:00] say that the city of

[1:20:02] fayetteville was not bringing

[1:20:04] data that other cities were

[1:20:07] keeping and I used the term

[1:20:10] shotty to describe our lack of

[1:20:12] data keeping in line with our

[1:20:14] peer cities so you can be

[1:20:16] offended by that if you like but

[1:20:17] that's a simple fact that you

[1:20:19] have to accept.

[1:20:21] City attorney you provided me

[1:20:26] with arrest reports related to

[1:20:27] incidents around shot spotter.

[1:20:30] I'm counting more than four

[1:20:32] people hat were unarmed so when

[1:20:34] the chief-of-police ays out of

[1:20:37] the 14, 13 were gun related, how

[1:20:39] is that possible if I'm counting

[1:20:41] at least five that were unarmed

[1:20:44] people that had warrants but no

[1:20:45] firearms on their person when

[1:20:48] they were arrested with the shot

[1:20:49] spotter incident.

[1:20:51] >> that data came from the

[1:20:52] police department.

[1:20:54] >> okay.

[1:20:54] So chief?

[1:20:56] I don't know f you can get

[1:20:58] something on a slide so we'll

[1:20:59] have an official record.

[1:21:01] I know that you are saying 13

[1:21:04] out of 14 were gun related but

[1:21:07] an incident on old wilmington

[1:21:11] road says he was unarmed.

[1:21:12] They were unarmed.

[1:21:14] That on chesapeake road there

[1:21:16] was another individual that was

[1:21:18] unarmed who was arrested.

[1:21:21] I'm counting again more than

[1:21:22] just how many did you say were

[1:21:25] not firearm related?

[1:21:27] >> we have 14 subjects arrested

[1:21:30] and 13 out of 14 was with a

[1:21:30] weapon.

[1:21:31] >> okay.

[1:21:33] So I'll send you what the city

[1:21:35] attorney sent me so you can look

[1:21:36] over it.

[1:21:38] This is why wanted a slide

[1:21:41] included because I think we lose

[1:21:42] something in translation here

[1:21:44] and I want us to be accurate

[1:21:46] because I'm surprised by that

[1:21:47] number and I don't believe

[1:21:49] that's accurate and for us to

[1:21:52] say out loud that 13 out of 14

[1:21:55] of the guns happened, it sounds

[1:21:58] like the one from the recording

[1:22:00] you didn't get those folks yet.

[1:22:02] Is there more?

[1:22:03] >> there's many more.

[1:22:04] That's the thing.

[1:22:07] It is a long process and it's

[1:22:09] not one of those situation

[1:22:10] where's, because some of the

[1:22:14] alerts there's not any tres of

[1:22:16] evidence, so therefore, until we

[1:22:19] are able to work through each

[1:22:21] piece, you know we MAY get later

[1:22:24] on a video camera or someone

[1:22:25] providing information that will

[1:22:27] lead us to that car that sped

[1:22:28] off.

[1:22:31] That tag and then we're able to

[1:22:32] identify those individual, so it

[1:22:33] takes a while.

[1:22:36] >> that's why cities who have

[1:22:39] implemented this program

[1:22:41] responsibly will keep hat data

[1:22:42] for the folks in he white

[1:22:44] shirts to review but they don't

[1:22:47] put it in the vehicle so there's

[1:22:49] unintended consequence of

[1:22:51] officers oing into a situation

[1:22:53] hot because we have someone that

[1:22:55] lost their life while in custody

[1:22:57] the first day we turned on shot

[1:23:00] spotter and something we

[1:23:03] conveniently refuse to talking

[1:23:03] about.

[1:23:06] At some point we have to be more

[1:23:09] honest about this technology and

[1:23:10] be not just cheerleaders without

[1:23:13] any deference of what community

[1:23:15] members have shared with us.

[1:23:17] One thing I guess we're not

[1:23:19] hearing it on NOVEMBER first is

[1:23:23] that there are citizens in these

[1:23:24] areas that don't want shot

[1:23:27] spotter and there's legitimate

[1:23:30] reasons why but nobody on this

[1:23:33] council will give people a voice

[1:23:36] because they are stuck on the

[1:23:42] cop propaganda the boot licking.

[1:23:44] >> I'd like to make a motion to

[1:23:45] receive the report.

[1:23:47] >> I think we have more to get

[1:23:47] to.

[1:23:51] Is the manager's button pushd?

[1:23:52] Yes ma'am?

[1:23:58] >> if I MAY add steph heard the

[1:24:00] comments from council after this

[1:24:03] study the rsults were published

[1:24:04] and chief bryant did mention

[1:24:08] that we have a

[1:24:12] ssembled a working

[1:24:16] group and we are working to

[1:24:19] close hose gaps in our data and

[1:24:22] working to try to come up with a

[1:24:24] better and more consistent

[1:24:26] framework that tracks the

[1:24:28] performance of shot spotter and

[1:24:30] the impacts of the community on

[1:24:33] our investigations and how that

[1:24:34] data affects our community so we

[1:24:36] hear you and we're working on

[1:24:36] it.

[1:24:39] >> thank you for that update.

[1:24:44] I'll come back to you COUNCILMAN

[1:24:45] Council member mcnair.

[1:24:47] >> I'll try to get through

[1:24:48] these.

[1:24:49] This is collaboration with our

[1:24:51] federal partners and the results

[1:24:52] of these working with our

[1:24:54] federal partners here you will

[1:24:57] see the amount of federally

[1:24:59] indicted individuals that have

[1:25:02] been arrested and seizures, as

[1:25:08] well as firearms and currency

[1:25:11] ceased.

[1:25:14] At this time you'll see the

[1:25:17] numbers regarding our group a

[1:25:18] crimes in terms of the

[1:25:20] percentage and again you'll see

[1:25:22] the numbers are all down except

[1:25:26] for robbery whether which is up

[1:25:30] 1.2 percent but we're almost

[1:25:31] double-digit on all the

[1:25:33] categories in terms of our

[1:25:34] property crimes.

[1:25:37] Here we have our numbers

[1:25:39] regarding our juveniles from

[1:25:42] JANUARY through SEPTEMBER 25th.

[1:25:44] One of the questions that also

[1:25:46] what we were trying to do is

[1:25:49] provide some insight in total

[1:25:51] incident charges from 24 to 25

[1:25:56] and we're up about almost 17%

[1:26:00] reflective on this slide here.

[1:26:03] The most pressing issue that we

[1:26:06] see here right now is the

[1:26:08] robbery where it has almost

[1:26:11] doubled in terms of from 24 to

[1:26:16] 25 with increase of 106 percent.

[1:26:18] So we're tackling that's a much

[1:26:22] as we can in terms of those

[1:26:25] involved in the juveniles.

[1:26:28] Next here you'll see by quarter

[1:26:32] the field contacts and incident

[1:26:39] reports that we've had.

[1:26:43] Again assaults is high in the

[1:26:45] numbers in terms of what we're

[1:26:50] looking at across the board.

[1:26:53] Lastly these are slides

[1:26:56] pertaining to the juvenile

[1:26:58] protective order.

[1:27:00] Here it goes from 11:00 P.M. To

[1:27:01] 6:00 P.M..

[1:27:04] The field contacts and incident

[1:27:05] reports associated with these

[1:27:08] and the total charges.

[1:27:10] >> can I ask a question about

[1:27:20] the slide?

[1:27:20] Haire?

[1:27:22] >> thank you mayor.

[1:27:25] It was of so much on these

[1:27:26] particular slide, so if this is

[1:27:28] not the time let me know and

[1:27:31] I'll get it later.

[1:27:35] During our F.Y. 25 budget we

[1:27:38] discussed some things that we

[1:27:40] were looking for.

[1:27:45] there was a request for more

[1:27:47] speed centuries, our cameras

[1:27:49] that we're were looking at and

[1:27:52] other forms of technology but

[1:27:53] especially those too because

[1:27:55] that's something I speak about a

[1:27:57] lot during my community

[1:27:58] meetings.

[1:28:00] I did receive a message that I

[1:28:01] don't know if they said the

[1:28:05] speed centuries were in or

[1:28:08] close, I won't even try to say

[1:28:09] this.

[1:28:11] If you would, could you give us

[1:28:15] if this is the time on where we

[1:28:18] stand with the speed century and

[1:28:21] our new camera technology that

[1:28:23] we were asking for?

[1:28:24] >> yes.

[1:28:25] Yes, sir.

[1:28:27] Sorry, I can provide some of

[1:28:29] that information in terms.

[1:28:31] We're going in a phased process

[1:28:33] in terms of technology.

[1:28:34] Right now one of the first

[1:28:36] priorities is upgrading our

[1:28:37] server room which has taken

[1:28:40] place and now we're in the

[1:28:43] process of obtaining several

[1:28:46] software whether artificial

[1:28:48] intelligence but also we have

[1:28:51] looked into the energy tries

[1:28:53] with entries based on requests

[1:28:55] from city council members

[1:28:56] throughout the city but we're

[1:28:58] also obtaining more and we're

[1:29:00] going to get some more for the

[1:29:02] school zones in terms of being

[1:29:05] able to have those deployable

[1:29:06] all throughout the school zones,

[1:29:07] as well.

[1:29:08] >> and thank you for that

[1:29:11] because I did get some

[1:29:14] deployments out in the summer

[1:29:16] hill community but I was talking

[1:29:18] about the additional ones and

[1:29:19] we're not there yet.

[1:29:22] >> we're not there yet.

[1:29:23] We have received the quotes but

[1:29:27] we have not pushed the button to

[1:29:28] pick out which one we'll take.

[1:29:32] >> the ones that are coming, is

[1:29:33] there any additional data that

[1:29:35] it will be bringing?

[1:29:38] Or is it some of what we're

[1:29:39] already getting or is anything

[1:29:41] new going to be an attached?

[1:29:43] >> with that but also we have

[1:29:45] our license plate readers that

[1:29:45] are critical.

[1:29:48] >> that's what I mean.

[1:29:50] >> so we're also doing that as

[1:29:52] well throughout the city to

[1:29:53] broad energy our footprint and

[1:29:56] that's one of the things that I

[1:29:59] would say that we lack in terms

[1:30:02] of our dispersement of cameras

[1:30:03] throughout the city.

[1:30:05] I came from fayetteville state

[1:30:05] -

[1:30:08] where we had 80 cameras on that

[1:30:10] small campus.

[1:30:11] City here is more.

[1:30:13] We have work to do and we're

[1:30:15] moving it up and we'll continue

[1:30:18] to move forward so we can be

[1:30:19] utilizing the technology where

[1:30:20] we don't have the personnel to

[1:30:21] do that.

[1:30:23] >> we'll be glad to get them

[1:30:25] because our resident dos ask

[1:30:26] about them and then of course

[1:30:27] I'll bring it back to you.

[1:30:30] Thank you mayor.

[1:30:31] >> council member benavente?

[1:30:34] >> I'm trying to understand the

[1:30:35] curfew 11-6.

[1:30:36] Juvenile crime.

[1:30:38] This is number 13.

[1:30:41] Are you saying that of that

[1:30:46] total number from quarter three,

[1:30:48] are those instances where you

[1:30:50] approach and young person for

[1:30:51] violating curfew?

[1:30:53] Or are these instances that

[1:30:55] occurred in the window of time?

[1:30:57] >> these are instance that

[1:30:59] happen in the window of time.

[1:31:03] Have there been anytimes where

[1:31:05] the youth curfew was the

[1:31:06] impetuous for an interaction

[1:31:07] -

[1:31:07] with a young person?

[1:31:10] >> sir, I will tell you that

[1:31:12] most of the ime that we

[1:31:14] approach these young people,

[1:31:17] we're looking at some other type

[1:31:18] of crime associated with it.

[1:31:20] >> that makes sense to me.

[1:31:22] My concern was that you have

[1:31:23] enough serious stuff going on

[1:31:27] during the hours that a curfew

[1:31:30] at best is redundant and at

[1:31:31] worse creates this interaction

[1:31:35] with citizen, so when you heard

[1:31:37] someone might not be 18, I think

[1:31:38] you are busy with real stuff

[1:31:40] that you don't have to really

[1:31:42] worry about that potential but

[1:31:43] was there anytime where the

[1:31:46] youth curfew, we talk about the

[1:31:49] tools we like to give you.

[1:31:50] Did you utilize that tool?

[1:31:53] >> that's not one we'll utilize

[1:31:55] as the first option?

[1:31:58] >> have you used it thus far at

[1:31:58] all?

[1:31:58] >> no.

[1:32:00] >> that's all I have.

[1:32:02] >> council member thompson?

[1:32:03] >> thank you mayor and chief.

[1:32:06] I have a question about the

[1:32:09] juvenile s

[1:32:12] juveniles for motor vehicles.

[1:32:14] Is there a shift changing

[1:32:16] because now the robberies are

[1:32:17] going up?

[1:32:19] What ype of robberies are we

[1:32:20] talking about?

[1:32:22] >> they can be common law

[1:32:25] robberies and usually they

[1:32:29] threaten intimidation so that's

[1:32:31] considered robbery verses

[1:32:33] larceny but those are the ones

[1:32:34] that are going in there.

[1:32:36] It's hard to say based on we're

[1:32:38] still early on into this

[1:32:40] collecting data so it will take

[1:32:44] time for us to show what impact

[1:32:47] that we're actually having

[1:32:49] regarding the protective order

[1:32:51] so it will take time for us to

[1:32:53] go ahead and start looking at

[1:32:54] the numbers and see the impact

[1:32:56] we're having in terms of

[1:32:57] juvenile crime.

[1:32:58] >> thank you chief.

[1:33:02] >> I did have a question.

[1:33:05] Are the juvenile assaults

[1:33:07] include what happens at a

[1:33:08] school?

[1:33:09] >> that's correct sr.

[1:33:12] >> so that number is all

[1:33:13] encompassing of school activity

[1:33:14] where things like that can

[1:33:14] happen?

[1:33:17] >> that's correct.

[1:33:19] We have another slide here that

[1:33:22] will show those events, as well.

[1:33:25] This next slide is in

[1:33:27] collaboration with director john

[1:33:31] jones office of community safety

[1:33:34] as you'll see here we have done

[1:33:35] numerous collaborations where we

[1:33:38] reach out on 32 calls for

[1:33:40] unhoused community where they

[1:33:43] have helped us out and they

[1:33:44] require two professional staff

[1:33:46] on their team now that was

[1:33:48] working on some of the item has

[1:33:51] the the officer community safety

[1:33:52] will be assisting in now and we

[1:33:55] continue to support them in any

[1:33:57] events they MAY have, as well so

[1:33:59] I know director jones will have

[1:34:01] a more comprehensive report for

[1:34:04] you all later on but I want to

[1:34:05] highlight some of the

[1:34:06] collaboration we've started with

[1:34:11] the office of community safety.

[1:34:13] Here's the calls starting AUGUST

[1:34:16] 25th through SEPTEMBER 0th

[1:34:18] where you see the calls for

[1:34:21] service with 267 with 95

[1:34:24] incident reports that goes back

[1:34:26] to our full comprehensive

[1:34:26] report.

[1:34:28] This is what has taken place at

[1:34:31] the schools and currently we're

[1:34:34] at 14 certified sro's and we'll

[1:34:37] move that number to 18 in

[1:34:37] JANUARY.

[1:34:38] >> great.

[1:34:41] >> here's our vice suppression

[1:34:44] for narcotics.

[1:34:49] As you see our fentanyl, we had

[1:34:51] to correct the slide.

[1:34:54] Our actual fentanyl seizure was

[1:34:58] 4.71 and we're up to 19 kilos at

[1:35:01] this time and I think we've

[1:35:04] explained to you the impact that

[1:35:07] a small of fentanyl can have on

[1:35:09] a city.

[1:35:12] These are numbers for our 911

[1:35:12] dispatch.

[1:35:15] Here you see there's 135

[1:35:19] thousand 900 calls with fire and

[1:35:22] them for total of 153,000.

[1:35:23] Also you'll see on the slide

[1:35:27] here is the admin. Calls the

[1:35:32] dispatch center has for over

[1:35:34] 292,000 calls.

[1:35:35] >> wow.

[1:35:37] >> traffic enforcement.

[1:35:38] I want to touch base as you see

[1:35:42] these numbers here.

[1:35:45] At every community meeting any

[1:35:48] encounter I have with a citizen,

[1:35:52] their concerns are speeding,

[1:35:53] careless and recklessness and

[1:35:55] folks driving through the red

[1:35:56] light.

[1:35:57] These are the results of these

[1:36:01] that we see in the city.

[1:36:03] And the only way that we're

[1:36:05] going to be able to change this

[1:36:09] behavior is by enforcement and

[1:36:31] you'll see this is a moving

[1:36:33] violations and non-moving

[1:36:34] violations.

[1:36:37] Very important for us to enforce

[1:36:43] both of those.

[1:36:44] Here council member benavente

[1:36:49] was asked to show and you see

[1:36:52] we're up almost,000 total

[1:36:59] stops from JANUARY to 2025.

[1:37:01] This is a break down by

[1:37:04] demographics as you'll see the

[1:37:18] numbers.

[1:37:20] Also you see the numbers in

[1:37:22] terms of searches for 2024 even

[1:37:25] though the number has raised

[1:37:28] from 24 to 25, you'll notice the

[1:37:31] percentage is literally almost

[1:37:32] same.

[1:37:33] 3.47 percent.

[1:37:36] Exactly the same in terms of

[1:37:42] vehicle searches.

[1:37:45] >> chief just to clarify my

[1:37:45] request.

[1:37:47] The data that's not compared

[1:37:51] appropriately I think you did an

[1:37:53] accurate job on slide 22 when

[1:37:55] you show the disparity between

[1:37:57] white drivers being stopped and

[1:37:59] it being double but the more

[1:38:02] dramatic number is the number of

[1:38:03] searches.

[1:38:05] I think a bar graph showcasing

[1:38:17] the difference between looks

[1:38:21] like 873 is a dramatic

[1:38:23] difference is what's concerning

[1:38:24] to people so that's the graph

[1:38:27] that I feel is not presented

[1:38:30] here.

[1:38:32] It is a dramatically different

[1:38:33] number.

[1:38:34] >> we'll go to the next slide

[1:38:35] that you are seeing.

[1:38:38] You saw that percentage so this

[1:38:40] is the results of these

[1:38:41] searches, as well.

[1:38:43] In terms of what we're able to

[1:38:53] size and drugs and weapons.

[1:38:56] About 40 percent and vehicle

[1:38:59] results rom 24 and 2025 we're

[1:39:02] up 61 percent in terms of

[1:39:06] seizures and also up in weapon

[1:39:10] seizures, as well.

[1:39:13] It's note-worthy for white

[1:39:16] drivers it's 60 percent when it

[1:39:17] comes to drugs.

[1:39:19] >> I'll show you the next slide.

[1:39:21] The vehicle stops you talk about

[1:39:22] the 102.

[1:39:28] We had one point 2% in 2024 we

[1:39:30] end up to 2%.

[1:39:32] In 25 but I'll let you see the

[1:39:34] next slide that shows a little

[1:39:36] correlation of what we're able

[1:39:43] to result so therefore, about 47

[1:39:47] percent and just over 18% of

[1:39:49] weapons among white drivers in

[1:39:51] 2024 but if you look to 2025 we

[1:39:54] have 60 percent in drugs and 12

[1:39:55] percent in weapons.

[1:39:57] >> I guess what I'm hoping that

[1:39:59] not only I hope to illustrate

[1:40:01] but in the book I shared with

[1:40:05] you and director john ones the

[1:40:10] research shows that black,

[1:40:13] white, asian, hispanic, once an

[1:40:14] officer says they appropriately

[1:40:17] need to be searched the

[1:40:19] likelihood of being some

[1:40:21] contraband is fairly equal

[1:40:22] across demographic, so the

[1:40:25] question becomes why is it that

[1:40:27] one group ends up being stopped

[1:40:29] so many times more when the

[1:40:30] ratios are fairly equal and I

[1:40:33] think the answer there is not

[1:40:35] necessarily your response built

[1:40:36] to resolve.

[1:40:39] I think you said something a

[1:40:40] moment ago.

[1:40:41] Changing behavior can only

[1:40:43] happen through enforcement and I

[1:40:44] think that's a huge MISS

[1:40:47] Statement because really

[1:40:48] infrastructure changes can

[1:40:50] change how fast someone is going

[1:40:52] down a street without there

[1:40:54] having to be an enforcement

[1:40:54] matter.

[1:40:56] How many times does a person

[1:40:58] have to get a speeding ticket

[1:40:59] before they never speed again in

[1:41:00] their lives.

[1:41:02] I don't think that's a limit.

[1:41:03] >> I'm saying it will never be

[1:41:06] the case that you are on every

[1:41:07] single street every time someone

[1:41:09] is speeding but we have to

[1:41:11] change the infrastructure at

[1:41:11] times.

[1:41:13] It's not just a behavior thing.

[1:41:16] >> sir, you can have an in for

[1:41:17] structure set up but if

[1:41:19] individuals continue to speed

[1:41:21] and feel they can speed without

[1:41:22] penalty they will.

[1:41:26] Doesn't matter infrastructure

[1:41:27] but when individuals believe

[1:41:29] hey, I'm going to get stopped

[1:41:31] and I don't want a fine or my

[1:41:33] insurance to go up or get

[1:41:35] arrested so there's part of that

[1:41:35] also.

[1:41:38] Not just infrastructure but

[1:41:39] enforcement.

[1:41:42] I will say that there s

[1:41:44] is some

[1:41:46] truth in terms of some of the

[1:41:49] locations that we'll have issues

[1:41:51] but I'll also firmly say that

[1:41:52] enforcement is what changes

[1:41:53] behavior.

[1:41:57] >> the last thing I'll ask is,

[1:41:59] and I feel like I get bad

[1:42:00] answers when ask this

[1:42:01] question.

[1:42:03] But when you see the disparity

[1:42:05] in the way that we conduct our

[1:42:08] stops and searches is it all a

[1:42:10] concern for you or do you have

[1:42:12] an interest in looking what

[1:42:13] other departments have done in

[1:42:15] other parts of the country that

[1:42:17] have no reduction in the number

[1:42:20] of guns they have recovered or

[1:42:25] the drugs on a, annual basis but

[1:42:28] have done something the way

[1:42:31] we're stopping disparities of

[1:42:31] stopping people.

[1:42:34] >> sir we have very much the

[1:42:36] interest in trying to do that.

[1:42:38] Unfortunately as I stated last

[1:42:40] we were at a conference last

[1:42:42] week and this is not just a

[1:42:43] fayetteville issue.

[1:42:46] This is north carolina,

[1:42:46] nation-wide.

[1:42:48] This is an issue but one thing I

[1:42:50] would like for you to understand

[1:42:53] and our citizens to understand

[1:42:55] is when we stop a vehicle, it's

[1:42:56] the violation.

[1:42:57] It's not because of the race of

[1:42:59] the person that's in the car

[1:43:02] it's the violation that we stop.

[1:43:04] >> I trust that 100 percent but

[1:43:07] I'm saying when you see other

[1:43:09] industries ike schools that

[1:43:12] have shown that their rates of

[1:43:13] explosion for black students is

[1:43:16] higher and when you see

[1:43:19] hospitals the maternal health

[1:43:23] outcomes for black baders is

[1:43:23] disparate.

[1:43:26] We don't ask if they are racist

[1:43:27] anymore we just say we need to

[1:43:29] stop these outcomes from

[1:43:31] happening so let's ove fast

[1:43:32] first level of discussion.

[1:43:34] I don't care about proving we're

[1:43:37] doing something discriminatory

[1:43:39] or racially bias but the

[1:43:41] outcomes are indisputable.

[1:43:43] What are we going to do about it

[1:43:44] now?

[1:43:46] That doesn't require that you're

[1:43:47] doing something racially bias

[1:43:50] because the outcomes are that so

[1:43:55] what will we do bout it now?

[1:43:56] >> thank you council member

[1:43:56] benavente.

[1:43:58] Every time we get to this point

[1:44:02] it goes back to the money.

[1:44:02] -

[1:44:02] okay?

[1:44:05] So I think what would be helpful

[1:44:09] for me, because as we look at

[1:44:13] 25,000 stopped black drivers.

[1:44:15] 13 thousand white drivers this

[1:44:16] year, right?

[1:44:19] How many are for things like

[1:44:21] whatever prompted you to stop.

[1:44:23] Tags out, insurance out, lights

[1:44:24] not working.

[1:44:26] Registration didn't check out.

[1:44:29] Like is there a category that

[1:44:30] captures that number?

[1:44:33] Because we all know all the

[1:44:35] things that my colleague named

[1:44:37] are rooted in economics but

[1:44:40] nobody ever wants to get to the

[1:44:41] economic conversation.

[1:44:43] You had ten minutes to preach.

[1:44:46] So we have to talk about the

[1:44:46] economics.

[1:44:47] Right?

[1:44:49] And so it's easy for people who

[1:44:51] have never walked this path to

[1:44:53] tell everybody what they need to

[1:44:55] do and haven't lived in

[1:44:55] neighborhood where's 18 shots

[1:44:59] have been fired and all of those

[1:45:02] things but do you have a way to

[1:45:03] extract out the basis of the

[1:45:05] call that showed whether this is

[1:45:07] a call based on lapsed insurance

[1:45:11] or a call based on expired tags

[1:45:14] or something that we can

[1:45:16] contribute to a real problem?

[1:45:18] >> we can extrapolate that

[1:45:20] regarding non-moving violation

[1:45:22] and egulatory violations.

[1:45:24] >> that would be helpful because

[1:45:26] that's in this total number so

[1:45:29] you had it broken down with the

[1:45:31] green and red dots.

[1:45:34] You had just as many

[1:45:36] non-violating violations.

[1:45:38] Non-moving violations.

[1:45:40] So I would like to see that in a

[1:45:41] future report?

[1:45:43] >> currently I'm talking with

[1:45:45] our team and I.T. To try to

[1:45:48] develop a moore comprehensive

[1:45:51] way to show what you are all

[1:45:53] asking for in a matt manner

[1:45:55] that's easier to read and a

[1:45:57] little more lively because a lot

[1:45:59] of the data changes from day to

[1:45:59] day.

[1:46:03] >> I can as sure you that as the

[1:46:07] cuts are coming that the county

[1:46:08] commissioner held a meeting for

[1:46:09] that people are going to be

[1:46:11] faced with the choice of paying

[1:46:14] a bill or renewing insurance or

[1:46:17] paying a bill and renewing tag,

[1:46:19] so those kinds of things

[1:46:19] contribute of it.

[1:46:23] The mans is a part of it so I

[1:46:24] welcome those discussion but you

[1:46:26] have to talk about the eal

[1:46:27] underlying problem.

[1:46:28] Council member thompson?

[1:46:29] >> thank you MR. Myor.

[1:46:31] Chief I want to go at a

[1:46:33] different angle because ou did

[1:46:38] not talk about the sro's too

[1:46:38] much.

[1:46:40] What is ur requirement?

[1:46:41] I think our contract says we

[1:46:43] have to have so many by the end

[1:46:44] of JANUARY.

[1:46:45] >> 18.

[1:46:47] >> we're currently at 14.

[1:46:48] >> yes, sir.

[1:46:51] >> and what is our capacity for

[1:46:54] our

[1:46:56] ours, I think 62?

[1:46:59] >> it fluctuates daily.

[1:47:03] Every day, it is a constant

[1:47:04] revolving window in terms of

[1:47:09] that so it's about 65 positions,

[1:47:11] but it's constantly I think

[1:47:12] we're at 62.

[1:47:15] I think right now 62 right now

[1:47:20] in terms of our tc o.

[1:47:23] For MADAM Attorney, where are we

[1:47:25] getting our red light back in

[1:47:28] the lawsuit with wilmington and

[1:47:29] I believe speeds ago habit and

[1:47:31] we have to change that.

[1:47:33] If you know there's a light at a

[1:47:36] certain corner and you got a

[1:47:38] ticket there once before you

[1:47:39] will not speed there again.

[1:47:41] >> there's litigation from

[1:47:44] another jurisdiction pending.

[1:47:46] Council, you are welcome to

[1:47:47] reinstate it before that it will

[1:47:49] education is complete but you

[1:47:51] are at risk of being sued, as

[1:47:52] well.

[1:47:54] >> I wanted to wait until this

[1:47:56] was over before we tried to

[1:47:58] reinstate it but thank you

[1:47:58] chief.

[1:48:00] That was my questions.

[1:48:02] >> thank you, mayor.

[1:48:03] >> I'll continue.

[1:48:05] >> yeah and just for the sake of

[1:48:06] time we're going to let you

[1:48:08] continue and we'll catch the

[1:48:09] questions at the end.

[1:48:11] >> we'll break down in terms of

[1:48:12] the vehicle stops and the others

[1:48:16] that you also see the 2% kind of

[1:48:20] consistent from 24 to 25 well,

[1:48:22] and then the break down in terms

[1:48:25] of the others and those

[1:48:28] percentages related to it as you

[1:48:30] see in 2025 those percentages

[1:48:34] are also increasing in terms of

[1:48:39] drugs and weapons, as well.

[1:48:43] One of the topics that our team

[1:48:46] has discussed in terms of

[1:48:47] transparency wanted to I think

[1:48:50] in the yearly report we provide

[1:48:52] city council and the citizens

[1:48:54] here of fayetteville the numbers

[1:48:56] but I think that I want to be

[1:48:58] able to provide these numbers on

[1:49:02] a quarterly basis in terms of to

[1:49:04] alleviate perceptions out there

[1:49:07] that we do not police our

[1:49:10] officers when they are engaged

[1:49:13] in activity or unprofessionalism

[1:49:16] so what I ant to do on

[1:49:18] quarterlies is to highlight what

[1:49:20] we do in terms of when we

[1:49:22] receive these complaints and

[1:49:24] you'll see in erms of some of

[1:49:28] the citizens complaints you know

[1:49:31] our complaints are down compared

[1:49:31] to 2024.

[1:49:34] We have ore positive comments

[1:49:36] compared to 2024 and one of the

[1:49:38] things too that we want to also

[1:49:40] make sure that when we have our

[1:49:42] internal affairs doing their

[1:49:43] investigations and also, going

[1:49:48] to give what we have are our

[1:49:50] dispositions in terms of sustain

[1:49:52] minutes and exonerations and

[1:49:54] other violations than the

[1:49:56] complaint that was originally

[1:49:57] received and the next slide here

[1:49:59] will show you exactly in terms

[1:50:01] of what we're able to do.

[1:50:03] Of course based on the

[1:50:05] limitation that we have on hr

[1:50:07] but we want to give you when we

[1:50:09] do receive these complaints and

[1:50:11] what we're doing in terms of

[1:50:14] coaching and policy warnings and

[1:50:16] written reprimands and

[1:50:18] suspensions and demotions and

[1:50:20] dismissals and a lot of this

[1:50:22] started before I or arrived.

[1:50:24] Chief braeyden was very much

[1:50:26] involved in terms of making sure

[1:50:29] upholding policy and laws and

[1:50:31] making sure that these bad

[1:50:32] actors in the department are

[1:50:35] held to the standard and that

[1:50:37] they will be held you know to

[1:50:39] the law and make sure that they

[1:50:41] don't reflect badly on the rest

[1:50:43] of us out there trying to do the

[1:50:46] job in a professional manner

[1:50:48] every day.

[1:50:54] As you see here this is our

[1:50:56] developmental staff agent this

[1:50:57] time.

[1:50:59] We have 06 vacancies.

[1:51:01] Down about 40%.

[1:51:03] We have a

[1:51:04] numbers oming right now

[1:51:09] and we're hoping to be by 30,

[1:51:11] JANUARY, based on the numbers

[1:51:13] coming so, but like I said I'm

[1:51:15] going to take tips from achieve

[1:51:18] dove and see what they did to

[1:51:19] get those folk but to give you

[1:51:23] an example we can have 100

[1:51:23] applicants.

[1:51:26] Out of that 100 applicants we

[1:51:29] MAY qualify up to 50 that MAY

[1:51:31] make it through the first round

[1:51:33] of the backgrounds.

[1:51:36] Then ut of the that 50, we MAY

[1:51:38] end up with 25 that actually

[1:51:41] makes it to the academy.

[1:51:47] Out of that academy of 25, we're

[1:51:50] graduating about 12 so that's a

[1:51:50] challenge.

[1:51:52] >> you went from 100 to 12.

[1:51:55] >> that's a challenge.

[1:51:58] We don't have, you know,

[1:51:59] application pool of several

[1:52:00] hundred.

[1:52:01] We do not.

[1:52:02] You know?

[1:52:04] That's been the challenge, you

[1:52:05] know, because we're always

[1:52:07] constantly, you know, as you've

[1:52:10] seen in the other slides we're

[1:52:12] dismissing folks, as well.

[1:52:14] Those are new vacancies we have

[1:52:16] to make-up for.

[1:52:18] It's a safe constant ballot bull

[1:52:20] we're pushing to make this

[1:52:21] number and be successful by the

[1:52:25] end of this fiscal year.

[1:52:27] >> MR. Mayor?

[1:52:29] >> chief, I didn't have a

[1:52:31] question until you brought this

[1:52:31] -

[1:52:35] up and we were at the graduation

[1:52:37] and I can't remember how many

[1:52:39] was graduating but three had

[1:52:40] masters degrees.

[1:52:43] How did you get that pool?

[1:52:45] >> yes, sir.

[1:52:48] So we had, believe it or not, we

[1:52:50] have a pool of folks, matter of

[1:52:53] fact one of those that has the

[1:52:54] masters is actually working on

[1:52:55] their ph.D.

[1:52:58] We have highly educated and

[1:53:00] qualified individuals that want

[1:53:03] to do, some of them went to

[1:53:04] school formerly for accounting

[1:53:07] and then decide I want to really

[1:53:08] be a cop.

[1:53:10] They come in here and we'll take

[1:53:10] them.

[1:53:13] We can utilize that skill set so

[1:53:15] we have that.

[1:53:16] That's happening all across the

[1:53:19] nation folks want to come in and

[1:53:21] make a complete change and also,

[1:53:24] some of it is economy.

[1:53:25] You know you MAY ave

[1:53:27] individuals that MAY have had a

[1:53:28] career in a particular field and

[1:53:29] next thing you know that field

[1:53:33] is, you know, being utilized in

[1:53:35] terms of maybe ai is taking

[1:53:38] their job or robots so now they

[1:53:40] are coming and looking for other

[1:53:42] career field there's stable for

[1:53:44] them, for their family, with

[1:53:46] benefit and health insurance and

[1:53:47] everything else so those for

[1:53:49] people that we're targeting and

[1:53:50] hoping to keep.

[1:53:52] >> thank you MR. Mayor.

[1:53:53] >> mayor pro tem?

[1:57:38] >> thank you MR. Mayor.

[1:57:39] This is going to be our last

[1:57:40] time getting to discuss the

[1:57:43] quarterly report, so I hope that

[1:57:45] you get some more critical

[1:57:46] questions in the future from

[1:57:47] this council, because I know

[1:57:49] that over the past

[1:57:50] three-and-a-half almost four

[1:57:52] years I've been on council, I

[1:57:54] never often see anyone else on

[1:57:55] council asking questions to be

[1:57:57] critical of the report.

[1:58:01] And it's not critical in the

[1:58:02] sense of being critical, but

[1:58:04] iron sharpens iron and it's

[1:58:05] important for you to get more

[1:58:07] perspective on the data you're

[1:58:08] sharing from members of the

[1:58:09] community who have

[1:58:11] questions about the awesome

[1:58:15] power of government as it is

[1:58:16] exemplified through law

[1:58:16] enforcement.

[1:58:17] There's always going to be room

[1:58:19] and necessary space for these

[1:58:21] kinds of questions, but none of

[1:58:22] my concerns are coming from a

[1:58:24] place of disrespect for you or

[1:58:24] the work you do.

[1:58:27] I think about my father who is a

[1:58:29] soldier and me going to college

[1:58:31] and people saying nasty things

[1:58:35] about soldiers, right?

[1:58:39] And I was, like, that's not what

[1:58:43] soldiers do.

[1:58:44] Supporting the troops doesn't

[1:58:46] necessarily mean supporting

[1:58:46] everything the government sends

[1:58:49] them out to do, so my criticism

[1:58:50] is never of the folks doing the

[1:58:52] hard work behind the badge.

[1:58:55] That's why I go out to all the

[1:58:57] graduation ceremonies, because I

[1:58:58] want to inundate myself with the

[1:59:01] pride I see on everyone's faces

[1:59:03] to make sure my criticism is

[1:59:05] never personal but coming from a

[1:59:07] place of necessary professional

[1:59:07] concern.

[1:59:08] But a bigger concern that I have

[1:59:11] and this is where I really want

[1:59:14] to ask you, begging you,

[1:59:16] honestly, as I think a chief of

[1:59:18] very high integrity, you know

[1:59:19] this council and probably the

[1:59:22] council after this is going to

[1:59:25] very rubber-stamp thoughtlessly

[1:59:26] spend as much as you're going to

[1:59:27] ask for.

[1:59:28] It's going to be your

[1:59:29] responsibility to, I think, put

[1:59:32] some lines in the sand.

[1:59:34] I remember a previous chief

[1:59:36] saying that the starting salary

[1:59:38] for a new officer shouldn't be

[1:59:39] over six figures, that there

[1:59:43] needs to be some grit and

[1:59:44] tenacity built in whether or not

[1:59:47] you're really built or this

[1:59:49] job, but if you ask the city

[1:59:51] council for an enormous amount

[1:59:54] of money, they would say yes,

[1:59:56] ignoring the second and

[1:59:57] third-order harms that come when

[1:59:59] you put quantity over quality.

[2:00:02] That's just one example, sir, of

[2:00:03] the kinds of things you'll have

[2:00:03] to police yourself in, because

[2:00:06] we don't have a council that is

[2:00:08] going to put issues of equal

[2:00:10] justice, constitutional

[2:00:12] concerns, or fiscal

[2:00:12] responsibility --

[2:00:14] >> wrap it up, council member.

[2:00:16] >> because hey consider

[2:00:17] anything less than complete

[2:00:18] praise and worship to be

[2:00:20] anti-police, which it isn't.

[2:00:21] But that's who you've got to

[2:00:24] work with, so good luck.

[2:00:25] >> well, thank you.

[2:00:26] Thank you, council member

[2:00:29] benavente, thank you, chief,

[2:00:30] thank you to the citizens who

[2:00:32] decide who sit up here, so when

[2:00:34] they speak, that's what it is,

[2:00:35] so thank you for that.

[2:00:42] Council, I look to you for your

[2:00:43] vote.

[2:00:45] >> green.

[2:00:45] >> all right.

[2:00:47] All right, unanimous, motion to

[2:00:48] adjourn?

[2:00:49] >> all right.

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