[0:10] .

[0:10] good afternoon and welcome to

[0:12] our regular meeting of the

[0:15] committee of the whole

[0:16] forjuly 28, 2026. My name is

[0:17] aurin chowdhury and I'm the

[0:19] chair of this committee. I will

[0:21] call this regular meeting to

[0:22] order and ask the clerk to call

[0:25] the roll to verifyhe presence

[0:27] of a quorum.

[0:28] » council member payne.

[0:29] » present.

[0:30] » wonsley is absent. Rainville

[0:34] is absent. Vetaw.

[0:35] » present.

[0:37] » warren.

[0:37] » present.

[0:38] » osman.

[0:39] » present.

[0:40] » shaffer.

[0:40] » present.

[0:41] » stevenson is absent. Chavez.

[0:44] » present.

[0:45] » whiting.

[0:45] » present.

[0:46] » palmisano.

[0:48] » present.

[0:48] » vice chair chughtai.

[0:49] » prent.

[0:49] » and chair chowdhury.

[0:50] » present.

[0:51] » there are 10 memberpresent.

[0:53] » thank you, clerk. Let the

[0:54] record reflect that we have a

[0:56] quorum. Before we begin the

[0:57] meeting, let me offer a friendly

[0:59] reminder to everyone that tse

[1:01] meetings are broadcast live to

[1:03] enable greater public

[1:04] participa

[1:06] include real-time captioning to

[1:09] increase accessibility for our

[1:10] entire community. So it's

[1:11] important that all speakers be

[1:13] mindful o the rate of their

[1:14] speech so that our captioners

[1:16] can fully capture and transcribe

[1:19] comments for the broadcast. We

[1:21] ask all speakers to please

[1:23] moderate the speed and clarity

[1:25] of their comments. S

[1:28] colleagues, our agenda is in

[1:29] front of us. Are there any

[1:34] amendments before we bin? May

[1:37] I have a motion to adopt the

[1:39] agenda?

[1:39] » so moved.

[1:41] » second.

[1:41] » all those in favor say aye.

[1:44] » aye.

[1:45] » those opposed say nay. And

[1:50] then before we get into a report

[1:51] of standing committees, I would

[1:55] just like to give a big welcome

[1:59] back to council member chughtai,

[2:00] the vice chair of this

[2:01] committee. We are so excited to

[2:05] have you back. So we'll start

[2:08] with our reports of standing

[2:11] committee. Starring with the

[2:16] business, housing and zong

[2:17] committee chaired by chair

[2:19] osman.

[2:19] » the business, housing and

[2:20] zoning committee will be

[2:21] bringing forward 20 items on

[2:24] thursday council meeting. Item

[2:33] one is approves enrique

[2:36] velazquez for dector of

[2:38] regulato services. Item two is

[2:44] interim use permit of people

[2:45] serving people. Im 4 is an

[2:49] appeal from fg & c recording 3

[2:53] very000 minnehaha avenue, aka

[3:02] the democracy center. Item 7

[3:06] approves gambling license. Item

[3:14] 8 grants business license for

[3:17] commercial kitchen. Item 9

[3:22] amends license fee schedule for

[3:26] tow trucking services free. Item

[3:29] 10 contract amendment for

[3:31] macphail music center. 11

[3:39] authorizes -- 13 accepts a bid

[3:42] for repcing floor box at

[3:44] convention center. 14 delegates

[3:51] authority t cped director of

[3:52] the owner occupied rehab

[3:58] program. 16 authorize a

[4:04] contract extension for greenbelt

[4:10] development project. 17

[4:14] approves -- 18 affordable change

[4:18] for ahtf. 19 authorizes a

[4:21] program change to naturally

[4:23] according affordable housing or

[4:25] noah. And laly, 20 is rezoning

[4:35] alley vacation. This item was

[4:37] sent forward without

[4:38] recommendation. With that, I

[4:40] will stand for any questions

[4:41] from my colleaes.

[4:42] » colleagues, are there any

[4:44] questions? Seeing none, we'll

[4:48] move to the climate and

[4:49] infrastructure committee report.

[4:49] I will be giving that report.

[4:58] the climate and infrastructure

[4:58] committee has 13 items to bring

[5:01] forward.

[5:01] of 1 is du nord event permit.

[5:10] two is banana ball games block

[5:14] event permit. Three is sway

[5:17] easement for a portion of 2nd

[5:20] avue north. Four is metro

[5:25] grnlight extension. Agreement

[5:26] number 14. Item 15 is

[5:29] minneapolistreet lighting plan

[5:31] amendment. Item 6 is cedar lake

[5:37] ro bridge project. Item 7 -- 8

[5:47] is the metropolitan council

[5:52] municipal infiltration and

[5:53] inflow grant for reprs of

[5:56] existing sewers and

[5:58] oss-connection elimination.

[5:59] nine is a bid for 2026-2027

[6:05] public works tree removal and

[6:10] disposal. Item 11 is columbia

[6:17] heights membrane plant roof

[6:19] replacement. 12 is a contract

[6:24] amendmenwith cs mccrossan

[6:27] construction for bridge

[6:30] improvements. 13 is the bicycle

[6:33] advisory commieeappointments.

[6:34] I'll stand for any queions if

[6:34] there are any. Seeing none, we

[6:41] will next go to the report by

[6:56] the enterprise and bor

[6:59] relations committee.

[7:01] » item 3 is a contract

[7:03] amendment with shaw lundquist

[7:10] for city hall restack amendment.

[7:14] four is a contract amendment

[7:17] with saba software. Items five

[7:18] and six are legal settlements.

[7:20] seven is a claim settlement

[7:22] where we are receiving money.

[7:25] item 8 is an indebtedness and

[7:30] bond authorization. Nine is an

[7:34] appointed position in the health

[7:35] department for director of

[7:37] environmenta health. 10 is our

[7:41] tonswer questions. . I'm happy

[7:44] » not seeing any questions, we

[7:46] will now go to the last report

[7:51] of the public health, safety and

[7:53] equity committee gen by its

[7:58] chair, chair chavez.

[7:58] » the public health, safety and

[7:59] equity committee will be

[8:01] bringing forward 7 items. One

[8:03] considers the mayor's nomination

[8:06] of dr. Freeman to appointed

[8:08] position of fire chief. This was

[8:10] sent forward without

[8:11] recommendation. Two is contract

[8:16] with hennepin technical college.

[8:24] item 4 authorizes a contract

[8:26] amendment with the center for

[8:31] multi-cultural mediation. The

[8:33] five authorizes a contract

[8:37] initiative. Six accepts a grant

[8:39] for the minnesota department of

[8:41] heth to provide family home

[8:45] visiting services and authores

[8:45] an agreement with the state of

[8:47] minnesota for the grant. Seven

[8:51] approves legislative directive.

[8:52] I'll stand for any questions.

[8:57] » members, are there any

[8:59] questions? Seeing none, we will

[9:00] now turn to the consent agenda.

[9:02] our only item today is a special

[9:05] law approval for food hall

[9:07] licenses. This was submitted by

[9:09] the intergovernmeal relations

[9:11] department. They're also here to

[9:13] ask any questions related to

[9:14] is item. With that, do my

[9:18] colleagues have any other

[9:19] discussion or qutions on this

[9:20] item? Great. Seeing no further

[9:28] discuson, I will move approval

[9:30] of this consent agenda. Can I

[9:31] get a second?

[9:34] » second.

[9:35] » all those in favor say aye.

[9:37] » aye.

[9:38] » those opposed say nay. That

[9:41] carries. Now moving on to the

[9:42] discussion portion of our

[9:45] agenda. This next item is a

[9:48] grant application to the united

[9:50] states department of justice. It

[9:51] is for the 2026 national

[9:54] integrated ballistic information

[9:57] network modernizatn program

[9:58] known as nibin. I will have mpd

[10:03] commander kris brown come to

[10:05] speak more on this item.

[10:23] » welcome, mmander.

[10:38] » madam chair, vice chair, and

[10:40] weome back, and council

[10:42] members, thank you for this

[10:45] opp

[10:47] for the grant in the nibin

[10:51] modernitization program grant.

[10:54] sorry for my voice. I lost it on

[10:57] sunday and I haven't found it

[10:59] yet. The nibin mernization

[11:03] grant, it's for modernizing the

[11:05] technology. The doj historically

[11:08] provided the funds for this, now

[11:09] it's provided in the way of a

[11:11] grant for existing nibin

[11:13] agencies. So agencies that

[11:15] currently have nibin have an

[11:17] opportunity to file in for this

[11:18] grant. So nibin stands for

[11:23] national integrated ballistic

[11:24] integration network. This

[11:26] provides funding for replacing

[11:28] the outdated nibin equipment at

[11:31] existing sites only to give them

[11:33] modern nibin compatible

[11:36] technology to irove crime gun

[11:37] intelligence capabilities. This

[11:39] will help strengthen

[11:41] investigations and our efforts

[11:42] to reduce the violent crime in

[11:44] nneapolis. And as well as

[11:46] jurisdictions that also use this

[11:47] as well. Because it's very much

[11:50] a partnership. So the grant

[11:51] funding pays for new nibin

[11:54] compatible technology and

[11:54] equipment includes it is for

[11:58] five years of upgrades and

[12:01] maintenance which will ruce

[12:02] the financial burden on

[12:04] minneapolis. Without this grant,

[12:06] minneapoliwould own the cost

[12:06] of it. The grant is over five

[12:08] years, it's $300,000. So this is

[12:11] like I said, this is a

[12:16] non-competitive grant. So it's

[12:18] those including minneapolis were

[12:20] invited to attend to apply for

[12:21] this particular grant. So

[12:24] there's 170 agencies that

[12:25] currently use nibin, and they

[12:27] were giv the opportunity to

[12:28] apply for this grant to maintain

[12:31] and upgrade their current

[12:33] equipment. So nibin is a program

[12:35] that is managed by the atf.

[12:39] nibin is a database that

[12:41] captures, stores and correlates

[12:44] digital images, which we

[12:47] oftentimes would call

[12:49] fingerprints of discharge

[12:51] cartridge casing. Dccs. So after

[12:54] you shoot the gun, the bullet

[12:57] itself is expelled outside of

[12:58] the gun. But it leaves either in

[13:00] the gun or on the groun a spent

[13:03] casing. So the spent casing is

[13:05] what this equipment analyzes.

[13:07] and what's unique to that

[13:09] particular thing is that that

[13:11] casing and the indentations that

[13:13] you and I can't see that are on

[13:16] that particular casing, nibin

[13:18] equipmencan see those things.

[13:19] and I'll talk a little bit more

[13:21] in detail about that. It

[13:23] identifies the gun. It's the

[13:25] fingerprints of that gun, that

[13:26] specific gun. So firearm

[13:29] evidence from one crime to

[13:31] anothe is compared with the

[13:34] purpose of detecting

[13:35] assoations between separate

[13:37] shooting incidents through the

[13:38] firearms evidence. That's

[13:40] actionable intelligence. Nibin

[13:42] aids in preventing violence as

[13:44] well a finding out who

[13:46] perpetrated the violent crime

[13:48] that's already happened. Up on

[13:49] the screen here, you'll see this

[13:51] is the current equipment that we

[13:54] have. On the monitor right there

[13:55] gives you an idea of what it

[13:57] looks like after a spent casing

[13:58] is put through the system. It

[14:00] doesn't look like much, b if

[14:01] you kinda think of it as a

[14:03] fingerprint, you're loong at

[14:06] it that is unique to any casing

[14:08] that was sent through that

[14:11] particular weapon. So next to is

[14:15] is the box that you put the

[14:17] casing on and it analyzes it and

[14:19] shows up on that. Then that

[14:21] information is sent down to atf

[14:26] to analyze further. So

[14:27] minneapolis police department

[14:28] has been part of the nibin

[14:31] program since 2002. Equipment

[14:34] was installed in 2014. You can

[14:36] imagine there's been a lot of

[14:38] changes and a lot of

[14:40] advancements since 2014.

[14:41] upgrades in technology as well

[14:43] as the program itself is very

[14:45] important. Earlier on, when we

[14:47] reportednibin, we would submit

[14:50] as needed these casings into the

[14:53] systems and that creates quite a

[14:56] backlog. So when we did actually

[14:58] have something happen right

[15:00] away, it would take weeks or

[15:01] possibly even months before we

[15:02] would get the results back.

[15:04] which is really difficult wn

[15:05] you're trying to use that

[15:07] information for investigations

[15:08] that are currently open. So the

[15:10] current process eliminates that

[15:13] wait time by proactively

[15:16] processing every discharge

[15:17] casing we come up with, every

[15:19] dcc. As well as when we recover

[15:22] any firearm, in our laboratories

[15:24] through the forensics labs, will

[15:26] firehat weapon and we'll use

[15:27] that casing that comes out of

[15:29] that recovered firearm and put

[15:31] it through the same system. So

[15:32] now we have the fingerprints of

[15:34] that gun that wasrecovered. And

[15:36] sometimes that can link it to

[15:38] other guns in other cmes that

[15:39] we've had happen. So the steps

[15:47] of nibin are, so mpd will

[15:48] collect and submit that evidence

[15:50] into nibin. There's a turnaround

[15:53] that's as brief as possible

[15:55] because we want our

[15:56] investigato

[15:58] that information. To give you an

[16:00] idea, itan be done rushed, it

[16:04] could be done in the same day.

[16:06] otherwise average time is five

[16:08] to six days to get the

[16:09] information back. But the

[16:11] investigation is still ongoing

[16:14] and we can link that gun to

[16:17] other crimes that have happened

[16:19] when casings are discharged.

[16:22] there's a follow up with

[16:23] prosecution investigations. I

[16:25] was here last week presenting.

[16:26] while I was in the lobby

[16:28] waiting, I was here becau they

[16:32] were presenting on the fast

[16:34] team. Lieutenant schroeder got

[16:37] six hits while we were waiting.

[16:39] not saying you guys took too

[16:41] long. But while we were waiting,

[16:45] he got six hits of casings while

[16:48] we were waiting from nibin.

[16:51] associated that guwith another

[16:52] crime that happened in

[16:53] minneapolis. Those are just our

[16:56] hitsegarding what we are

[16:58] submitting them for. This is

[17:00] critical and essential to

[17:01] minneapolis. So t

[17:06] effectiveness of nibin relies on

[17:08] comprehensive collection of

[17:10] discharge casings at crime

[17:11] scenes as well as recovering

[17:14] firearms and forensic division

[17:15] to enter that in there

[17:18] immediately. The operation

[17:21] adopts a required minimum

[17:23] required operations standards.

[17:25] the gold standard is within two

[17:28] days of collection of the

[17:29] firearm or the dcc gets entered

[17:35] into nibin so there's no delay.

[17:39] so the forensics division can

[17:41] contribute to the overall

[17:43] strategy toeal with gun

[17:43] violence by providing this

[17:46] actionable crime gun

[17:47] intelligence to investigators as

[17:48] well as using forensic data to

[17:51] not only solve crimes but to

[17:52] prevent future violent crimes as

[17:53] well. Take a moment here. I'm

[17:56] going to give you a case study

[18:00] for use of the nibin program. So

[18:05] I can't give you one that's

[18:06] currently ongoing. So I can give

[18:08] you an example of one that

[18:10] happened in 2023. In august 9th

[18:13] of 2023, minneapolis police

[18:15] officers were dispatched to the

[18:17] intersection of thomas avenue

[18:19] north and oak park avenue in

[18:22] north minneapolis. The repor

[18:26] was for shots fired and a woman

[18:29] screaming. Unrtunately, the

[18:31] victim was pronounced deceased

[18:34] at the hospital. Video door bell

[18:38] captured tha incident. Located

[18:39] a video of a cargo van that was

[18:41] likely used in the incident. The

[18:45] following day officers were able

[18:47] to locate a possible suspect

[18:48] vehicle that was used in this

[18:51] crime. Officers inside the

[18:54] vehicle were able to, after a

[19:00] a spent dcc from a .10mm casing

[19:09] from the scene of the shooting

[19:12] indicating they had been shot

[19:14] from the same weapon. This is a

[19:17] particular example of how the

[19:19] nibin machine was used. The

[19:22] video case led to the suspect

[19:24] vehicle. But the nibin evidence

[19:29] linked to thcrime. So the

[19:36] nibin modernization prram. By

[19:39] receiving this grant and getting

[19:40] the appropriate updates and

[19:42] maintenance to the existing

[19:45] machine system, which are now

[19:47] reaching the end of their

[19:48] service life, making repairs,

[19:50] replacement parts, and

[19:52] manufacturing support is

[19:53] becoming increasingly difficult

[19:55] if we were to maintain our

[19:57] existing equipment without this

[19:57] grant. Maintaining operational

[20:02] capability without the

[20:05] modernization, agencies will

[20:05] risk down time as well as

[20:08] degraded performance that could

[20:09] result in delayed ballistic

[20:10] evidence processing, which will

[20:13] affect crime gun investigations.

[20:18] newer nibin technology provides

[20:21] faster processing, higher

[20:22] quality images and better match

[20:25] capabilities, helping

[20:26] investigators identify firearms

[20:27] more quickly. Upgrading the

[20:32] systems maintain capability with

[20:33] nibin software and

[20:34] infrastructure. So atf is

[20:38] evolving and improving their

[20:40] software. Our equipment needs to

[20:41] keep up with that. At some point

[20:43] in time, if we don't have cost

[20:46] covered and we don't make these

[20:48] changes, we won't be able to

[20:50] participate in the particular

[20:53] program. That does conclude my

[20:55] ief on this particular case.

[20:56] if you guys have any questions,

[20:57] I can speak to them now.

[20:58] » thank you. Members, please

[21:02] get into queue if you have any

[21:05] questions for comments. We have

[21:08] council member chavez in queue.

[21:09] go ahead, council member.

[21:11] » thank you, chair chowdhury.

[21:13] I'd like to first express my

[21:14] concern about this matter. I

[21:19] wished the presentation at least

[21:24] acknowledgement the har to

[21:26] immigrant residents. I am not

[21:27] disputing the need for funding

[21:28] to address this concern or the

[21:30] ncern to address gun violence

[21:32] in our city. But I am dputing

[21:33] the fact that there was no

[21:35] mention in this presentation

[21:36] about the harmful rhetoricoted

[21:38] about our undocumented

[21:41] neighbors. The notice of funding

[21:46] the purpose of funding, to at

[21:51] locate and apprehend quote

[21:53] aliens" in addition to being

[21:56] quote unlawfully present in the

[21:58] united states, investigated

[21:59] crimes committed by quote

[22:00] illegal aliens. I want to be

[22:02] very clear to my commuty that

[22:04] this language is very

[22:06] disrespectful. It is

[22:09] dehumanizing and it is not in

[22:12] vae with the city of

[22:13] minneapolis. Activities from

[22:16] directly or undirectly quote

[22:21] impeding federal -- failure to

[22:24] honor dhs notice request. In

[22:27] this notice of funding

[22:28] opportunity opetes under a

[22:30] section which is itself named

[22:32] the bridging immigration related

[22:36] deficits experiencing nationwide

[22:38] by the reimbursement fund. Quote

[22:41] aliens who have committed a

[22:43] crime under federal, state or

[22:44] local law. In addition to being

[22:47] quote unlawfully present in the

[22:48] ited states. The mou attached

[22:51] also states that except as

[22:53] expressly prohibited by law, the

[22:55] nibin partner agrees to provide

[22:57] atf with access to all

[23:01] information, reports, and any

[23:05] information regarding to crimes

[23:07] with evidence -- historical and

[23:09] case adjudication information on

[23:10] the use and results and the use

[23:13] of nibin program and/or systems

[23:18] or related services by provided

[23:20] by atf. Capturing of information

[23:23] and other stuff. I want to first

[23:25] state that I do not accept the

[23:28] premise, implicit or explicit in

[23:30] this or any federal instrument

[23:31] that immigrant residents are a

[23:33] threat to public safety

[23:35] requiring locating and

[23:36] apprehending. I believe that we

[23:38] as a city have a duty to ensure

[23:40] that when we are applying for

[23:42] and accepting federal funds that

[23:44] we do not lend the city'same

[23:50] to a -- I do not accept the idea

[23:55] that undocumented immigrants are

[23:57] quote aliens or quote illegal.

[23:59] and I do not accept the premise

[24:01] that expressing these concerns

[24:02] e rooted in rhetoric when

[24:05] these concerns are coming from

[24:09] caring about our immigrant

[24:10] neighbors in the city. If we are

[24:12] going to pursue this, I will be

[24:14] working with the city attorney's

[24:16] office to attach a resolution

[24:17] that says we do not agree with

[24:19] the use of calling our neighbors

[24:21] illegal or aliens, and that

[24:24] otr conditions will have to be

[24:25] applied. So I just wanted to

[24:29] express my concerns today.

[24:30] » tnk you, council member

[24:31] chavez. Next, we will go to vice

[24:34] chair chughtai.

[24:36] » thank you,adam chair. Thank

[24:38] you for the presentation,

[24:42] commander brown. Always a

[24:42] pleasure to have you in the

[24:45] chambers. I am wondering if you

[24:47] might be able to answer a couple

[24:50] of questions. And specifically,

[24:51] I'm hoping that you can help

[24:58] articulate here the city has

[25:00] contracts with a number of

[25:03] agencies in the realm of law

[25:05] enforcement. I know we have a

[25:08] contract with the stats bureau

[25:11] of criminal apprehension, the

[25:15] bca. I think that one is related

[25:18] to assistance with forensics. I

[25:22] think there's ballistics and

[25:25] other aspects that you

[25:27] highligh

[25:30] presentation. So just help us

[25:36] utilize this grant when we have

[25:41] more impact on it. This one may

[25:45] be one I can handle. We have

[25:47] lots of different mous and we

[25:50] submit our evidence to the a

[25:52] and pay for it on many different

[25:55] ways. But what we are doing in

[25:57] this particular program, this is

[26:00] thugh the doj and atf. It's a

[26:03] broader netwk. This is just

[26:06] looking for funding to maintain,

[26:08] update the equipment for the

[26:10] program that still exists.

[26:13] » generally speaking, is it

[26:17] sa

[26:20] partners at the state and local

[26:23] level have some sort of

[26:26] relationship with an agency that

[26:29] has nibin access?

[26:32] » through the chair, vice

[26:34] chair, I can say that there's

[26:36] 170 agencies that are currently

[26:38] using nibin. But that's going to

[26:40] be primarily large agencies. And

[26:44] so it does behoove us. Because

[26:46] some of the crimes tha we're

[26:48] finding weapons for are going to

[26:51] be helping our partners in the

[26:55] immediate area, suburbs and the

[26:58] such. The guns we capture

[27:01] casing we may be able to solve

[27:04] other crimes and prevent future

[27:06] crimes from happening at all.

[27:08] » I think what I'm taking away

[27:11] here is that, you kn, we're

[27:14] not -- the city isn't going to

[27:15] lose access to a system that is

[27:19] critical as a result of not

[27:25] suitting a proposal to receive

[27:27] this grant. I think that makes

[27:29] it a little bit different from

[27:32] instances in the past I think

[27:35] when we've had contracts or

[27:37] things like that for approval

[27:38] bere the body, and the choices

[27:40] between having a system or

[27:41] » thank you. Thank you, sir,

[27:43] for that presentation. Can you

[27:45] talk about or address, I'm

[27:48] looking at the document rca

[27:49] here. The concern raised by

[27:53] council memberhavez about the

[27:55] language used in the

[27:56] application. Can you touch a

[28:00] little bit about that?

[28:00] » through the chair, council

[28:01] member osman, I can just talk

[28:04] about it briefly.

[28:05] » sure.

[28:06] » sohen we first got the --

[28:08] so what he's referring to is the

[28:10] notice of funding opportunity

[28:12] that's put out by the doj. All

[28:16] language for federal grants, we

[28:18] don't write them.

[28:18] » sure I know.

[28:20] » the language does come from

[28:25] whoever the current federal

[28:26] administrator is. So wdon't

[28:28] make up that. Whenever we

[28:30] receive a grant opportunity, we

[28:31] run allhat through the city

[28:33] attorney's office and vet it

[28:34] before we ever make any

[28:36] agreements of any way. So

[28:39] traditionally, we would have

[28:41] been sending -- this information

[28:43] would have come to you after

[28:47] they decide. We just were

[28:49] running late on this particular

[28:51] case so we sent the whole

[28:52] package to you at theame time

[28:53] the city attorney's were looking

[28:55] at it. The letter did not come

[28:58] with an explanation by the city

[29:01] currently does. S time and it

[29:02] » so my understanding is we are

[29:04] looking for this funding and

[29:08] applying through the u.s.

[29:11] government, and part ofheir

[29:16] notice or application

[29:18] information, I includes the

[29:22] language that is seen to be what

[29:31] trump, which is illegal aliens

[29:33] and language like that. That is

[29:37] actually, it is concern. But I

[29:43] don't know how this could rate

[29:47] to what we're getting as in o

[29:48] department. It's very

[29:58] concerning ever since trump took

[29:59] over office. But for us, we are,

[30:05] as adepartment, I'm guessing

[30:08] we're applying. We apply a lot

[30:12] of grants through this

[30:14] ministration. And I think that

[30:16] what you mentioned is very

[30:18] important to nice that this

[30:20] grant is going to hp us reduce

[30:23] crimes and help us cch bad

[30:25] guys that are committing crimes.

[30:32] can you talk about o more

[30:34] about accepting this grants.

[30:36] what is the --re there any

[30:41] attachment on immigration or any

[30:44] things thrgh the city that we

[30:45] have to address? And how is that

[30:47] related to immigration,

[30:52] acpting theserants? I don't

[30:53] know if I heard that. But if

[30:56] there's any city attorneys here

[30:56] accepting the grants, how does

[30:59] that relate to immigration

[31:01] enrcement in the city?

[31:05] member osman, city attorneys

[31:06] will be able to answer that

[31:08] question.

[31:08] » thank you.

[31:09] » good afternoon,embers of

[31:10] the council. My name is amy

[31:13] schutt, ad assistant city

[31:15] attorney. Through the chair,

[31:16] council member osman, to your

[31:18] question generally speaking

[31:20] about problematic grant terms.

[31:21] we have beeneeing an increase

[31:24] in these terms since the

[31:25] beginning of the trump

[31:26] administration. And that is the

[31:28] reason that my office has set up

[31:29] a process for reviewing terms

[31:31] for all grants that the city is

[31:33] applying for. So this grant as

[31:35] was mentioned, went through that

[31:37] process just as many other

[31:38] grants do.

[31:39] I happened to be the one who

[31:40] received that for review and

[31:44] reviewed the grant and all of

[31:46] the documents referenced in that

[31:50] nofo for any problematic terms

[31:52] and conditns. That includes

[31:54] terms and conditions that would

[31:56] separate the ordinance. As well

[31:59] as any terms and condions that

[32:01] would require the city to act in

[32:03] a way that is antithetical to

[32:06] our values. My determination in

[32:07] reviewing those documents was

[32:11] that there are not any --

[32:12] there's no information in it a

[32:14] this point that does require us

[32:16] to act in a way that is

[32:22] antithetical t our values.

[32:23] while it does have problematic

[32:25] language in it, it has

[32:29] inappropriate language in it

[32:30] related to our undocumented

[32:35] neighbors. That language doesn't

[32:37] that would force us to not ty

[32:39] accept thegrant.

[32:41] » that is really helpful to

[32:44] understand that. I will suprt

[32:49] this accepting this grants. Also

[32:51] that I disagree with a lot of

[32:54] things that administration says.

[32:55] but as a city, if we're

[33:00] following our separation

[33:01] ordinance and doing the right

[33:03] it's really hard fors to ng,

[33:05] contl what this administration

[33:06] says. But we just gotta keep

[33:08] going and doing what we can to

[33:11] keep our residents and citizens

[33:13] safe. And this grant helps our

[33:18] police officers capture the bad

[33:21] guysnd put them in jusce to

[33:23] make sure that we are not

[33:25] commitng more imes. And this

[33:27] is a tool that could help, you

[33:31] know, keep our community safe. I

[33:33] appreciate your explanation that

[33:37] immigration enforcement. But

[33:40] again, we can't control wt our

[33:41] president says. Thank you.

[33:43] » thank you. Next, we'll go to

[33:48] council member palmisano.

[33:51] » first, il say I agree whole

[33:56] heartedly with council member

[33:57] chavez's admings of the language

[34:08] used by the federal government

[34:10] here. This is important language

[34:12] and also agree to get this

[34:15] machine's upkeep funded. T

[34:18] tes of this grant as the city

[34:20] attorney just mentioned are what

[34:22] is most important to me. None of

[34:24] these terms require us to act in

[34:26] a way different to our common

[34:28] values here. Just yesterday I

[34:31] was speaking with a localptown

[34:35] restaurant owner who had shots

[34:37] fired into their restaurant last

[34:41] week, at their restaurant

[34:42] manager through a window. And

[34:44] this team of restaurant

[34:46] employees lives in fear and has

[34:49] been waiting anxiously, eagerly,

[34:51] to get those casgs processed.

[34:54] I have a question for commander

[34:57] brown. Commander brown, you

[34:58] mentioned the mpd meets the

[35:01] atf's gold standards for nibin

[35:04] entry and it's two-business

[35:07] days. It sounds like we'

[35:09] meeting that. You're proud of

[35:12] at. Does that mean reentry is

[35:17] getting results?

[35:18] » yes, it gets entered into the

[35:21] system within two days. If it

[35:24] was a case that was given a

[35:25] eedy, I believe that would be

[35:27] a response. It could be upo

[35:30] six days. If you want to know

[35:32] more specific, I can provide a

[35:34] forensic director up here.

[35:36] » I guess I'm just curious, do

[35:37] we end up with backlogs based on

[35:39] a number of shootings in our

[35:42] community ese last two weeks

[35:44] or is that not really a thing?

[35:46] » through the chair, council

[35:47] member palmisano, no, we do not

[35:52] basically pay it forward by

[35:54] processing everything as we get

[35:55] it. All of a sudden everything

[35:57] is a hurry doesn't happen.

[35:59] » okay. Well thank you. That is

[36:02] helpful, and it's helpful as we

[36:03] connect with people who arehe

[36:05] victims of gun violence but not

[36:07] being able to keep our nibin

[36:10] systems completely up to date

[36:12] and processing things quickly

[36:13] like this, like you mentioned in

[36:15] the slide. Equipment breaking

[36:16] down or havin problems or not

[36:17] being able to get replacement

[36:19] parts. Like, this is

[36:21] problematic. It impacts victims

[36:22] who are shot at. It impacts an

[36:24] investigation. It means less

[36:29] is why I'll be supporting this

[36:31] today. Thank you.

[36:36] » thank you. Go to counc

[36:38] member chavez.

[36:39] » thank you, chair chowdhury. A

[36:41] question for mpd. Do we have

[36:43] confirmation from the federal

[36:45] government that they would

[36:47] interpret us accepting this

[36:49] grant as having us to enforce

[36:54] federal immigration enforcement

[36:57] laws?

[36:57] » I personally have not spoken

[36:59] with the federal government

[37:00] about their interpretations of

[37:01] this agreement at all. I know

[37:03] that -

[37:04] » you haven't?

[37:05] » I personally have not spoken

[37:07] through them. I know o city

[37:09] attorney's office is looking at

[37:12] what we're obligated to do under

[37:13] this agreement. And that was

[37:15] expressed earlier.

[37:15] » city attorney's office, would

[37:17] you be able to answer that

[37:20] questi?

[37:25] » why is everybody looking at

[37:26] me like that? I get to ask these

[37:28] questions if it'salking about

[37:30] my community.

[37:30] » I'm sorry. Can you repeat the

[37:32] last thing tt you said.

[37:35] » has the feder government

[37:37] communicated with us that if we

[37:38] were to apply and accept this

[37:40] grant that we would then have to

[37:42] do immigraon enforcement?

[37:44] » to my knowledge, we've had no

[37:46] communication with the federal

[37:48] government about their

[37:49] interpretation of the law

[37:49] surrounding this area.

[37:50] » I think thas important to

[37:52] figure out if we're applying for

[37:54] a grant that talks about quote

[37:56] illegal aliens and immigration

[37:59] enforcement. W are we not

[38:00] getting that information? So I

[38:01] would like that as a follow up

[38:03] to get an answer to that.

[38:05] colleagues, there seems like

[38:06] there's going to be a vote to

[38:09] approve this. It needs seven

[38:11] votes. It's going to need nine

[38:13] votes anyway. So I'm going to be

[38:15] bringing forward a resolion

[38:16] that I'll be working closely

[38:19] with the cityattorney's

[38:21] expressing concerns of this

[38:22] language in the nofo.

[38:25] calls them illegal, calls them

[38:27] alien, and puts requirements if

[38:29] this gets accepted. Because what

[38:30] I don't want is we're going to

[38:32] be doing things that are going

[38:33] to be hurting our immigrant

[38:36] neighbors. I'll be reaching out

[38:38] and I'll be attaching it to this

[38:41] nofo.

[38:41] » all right. Thank you, council

[38:43] member chavez. Clerks, did you

[38:46] get that?

[38:46] » yes, madam chair. The

[38:49] question related to whether or

[38:50] not there's been any

[38:51] communication with the federal

[38:53] government about this one.

[38:55] » communication and then if

[38:56] there is a way to get that

[38:59] information of if entering into

[39:01] this grant agreement, it would

[39:04] be interpreted into eorcing

[39:09] immigration enforcement as

[39:11] deiled in the bidened fund

[39:15] act.

[39:15] » thank you.

[39:16] » I put myself in queue next. I

[39:19] think we need to just say what

[39:20] the elephant in the room is.

[39:22] this is like adeeply, deeply

[39:25] tough position that members of

[39:27] this council are in. Myself,

[39:29] included. And I think that was

[39:31] very clearly cmunicated in our

[39:34] agenda setting because the nofo

[39:38] has laid out language for

[39:40] purpose of funding that doe

[39:42] speak to our immigrant community

[39:44] in dehumazing ways, reflective

[39:47] of the experience that we had in

[39:50] operatiometro surge. And I

[39:51] think from where I sit, the

[39:53] feelings that membersf this

[39:55] body have and members of our

[39:58] communityill have in

[39:59] understanding the purpose of

[40:00] funding and where the funding

[40:02] comes from are valid. It's

[40:06] unsurprising to that people

[40:07] are having hard reactions to

[40:09] that. And I think that's the

[40:10] reality of this. I think the

[40:12] question before us is should we

[40:19] that's largely a governance

[40:22] approach. For me, I am

[40:27] personally troubled that this

[40:28] comes from the bridging

[40:31] immigration deficits experienced

[40:34] nationwide program. Basically,

[40:37] immigration enforcement

[40:38] reimbursement fund for state

[40:39] governments, local governments,

[40:41] other units. And it's kind of

[40:43] hard for us to separate th. I

[40:47] don'tbject to nibin. I

[40:48] understand the tool. And it

[40:51] sounds like it's been showing

[40:55] clear deliverables. I don't

[40:56] think not applying for ts

[40:58] grt means we don't update it.

[41:00] it does mean that we would have

[41:02] to look to our own budge to do

[41:04] it. Which is always the chance

[41:06] ifor some reason, o, we

[41:09] apply and this doesn't get

[41:12] accepted. Two, we apply and

[41:14] there's terms we can't agree to

[41:15] becaus the same revw that the

[41:17] city attorneys do in applying

[41:19] for said grant, that same level

[41:21] of scrutiny has to hpen again

[41:25] once the grant I before us. And

[41:27] th again, we have to vote for

[41:29] it. So those are kind of tngs

[41:33] to weigh. I do want to just ask

[41:35] a question, and noticed this

[41:38] la

[41:41] for committee. It's my

[41:42] understanding in order for us to

[41:44] apply for this grant, it has to

[41:46] pass through this body. It has

[41:48] to go through final action on

[41:50] thursday. And then it has to be

[41:52] signed off by the mayor. And our

[41:56] final vote on this is on the

[41:57] 30th. I noticed that the

[42:01] deadlines listed in the nofo are

[42:04] yond that time. So the

[42:08] grants.gov deadline is 7/27.

[42:10] which is now passed. And the

[42:12] just grants deadline is 7/29,

[42:16] which is tomorrow before our

[42:18] cocil meeting. Wondering

[42:20] how a we applying for thisf

[42:24] it's past deadline?

[42:25] » madam chair, actually, we

[42:26] were notified that it's been

[42:28] extended beyond that. I believe

[42:29] it's august. I can get you the

[42:31] exact date if you'd like.

[42:32] » think that would be good to

[42:34] know. If you wanted -- if you're

[42:36] able to pl it up or if you

[42:38] want to do it via administrative

[42:40] follow-up. Ihink that's

[42:43] important. Yeah. Let's do

[42:46] administrative follow-up,

[42:48] commander. Don't worry about

[42:50] pulling it up. If you can get it

[42:52] and send it out via email, I

[42:56] think that's heful. Those are

[42:57] my comments. And I mean, given

[43:05] the nature of the question that

[43:08] council meer chavez asked, and

[43:10] just like from my viewpoint on

[43:12] the governance approach is I

[43:15] personally don't feel

[43:16] comfortable entering into this

[43:18] grant. And I also feel like

[43:20] there needs to be more

[43:21] transparency on the nofo. We had

[43:24] grants come before us, like the

[43:26] burn grant, that didn't have

[43:27] th type of langue and didn't

[43:30] come from this bidened fund that

[43:37] enforcement. So I will now

[43:39] recognize council president

[43:40] payne.

[43:40] » tha you, chair chowdhury. I

[43:43] first want to thank the city

[43:44] attorney's office, particularly

[43:46] ms. Schutt. I think this is

[43:48] really diligent legal analysis.

[43:49] I also want to give a special

[43:52] shout outo ms. Robinson, ms.

[43:56] lathrop. We just recently won a

[43:58] case in the minnesota supreme

[43:59] court protecting our separation

[44:00] ordinance. I an, our

[44:03] attorney's office is fighting

[44:04] day in and day out to really

[44:05] stand up for the values of the

[44:06] city. And I say all that to say

[44:12] that this is active and ongoing

[44:15] litigation and legal conflict

[44:16] with the federal administration.

[44:18] and one of thfirst things that

[44:20] we did at the beginning of 2025

[44:23] s authorize the city

[44:24] attorney's office to proactively

[44:26] engage with the trump

[44:27] administration. And the we

[44:28] renewed that because we had set

[44:30] an expiration date for the end

[44:31] of 2025. When we realized for

[44:33] the duration of the trump

[44:34] administration we are going to

[44:36] have to be an active litigation

[44:38] and activy fighting out the

[44:40] values of this city that's just

[44:42] the background and context I

[44:43] want to share with why ion't

[44:47] be supporting this is because we

[44:49] are not operating in a really

[44:51] stable legal terrain right now

[44:52] when itomes to this. This

[44:57] troubling as council member

[44:58] chavezas highlighte and

[45:00] we've got strong legal analysis.

[45:01] buthat legal analysis is based

[45:04] on today's case law. And we are

[45:08] not done litigating what that

[45:10] case law is going to be as it

[45:11] relates to our relationship to

[45:13] the feder gornment. And so

[45:16] if we were under different

[45:18] circumstances, I mean, the value

[45:22] is clear. The need is clear. I

[45:26] am hopeful that, youknow, we're

[45:29] not operating under a dismantled

[45:32] system. We have a functioning

[45:32] system. We are at risk just due

[45:36] to age that that system won't be

[45:38] functioning anymore. B it's

[45:39] not a non-functional system at

[45:41] this time. And I just think that

[45:44] the risk of the federal

[45:47] government, like even with

[45:48] strong legal analysis, which I

[45:50] do believe we have I don't

[45:51] think that strongegal analysis

[45:56] reallyters when they will

[45:57] execute o residents. When they

[45:59] will assault me personally. I

[46:01] might be a little bit biased

[46:03] here. But my own persol 4th

[46:07] amendment righ have been

[46:08] violated by the federal

[46:09] government. Not hypothetically,

[46:11] literally. And I just don't

[46:12] think that risk is worth it at

[46:14] thistime. And maybe in

[46:16] partnership with council member

[46:16] chavez, we can make sure that we

[46:18] have really strong legal

[46:21] protections if ts does move

[46:21] forward. But again, this does

[46:23] ha to come back for a final

[46:25] vote. But I don't even want t

[46:28] entertain it at this time given

[46:29] that conte. In fact, I would

[46:31] make a motion to forward this

[46:33] without recommendation. If

[46:34] there's a second for that.

[46:39] » second.

[46:48] » counc member vetaw.

[46:49] » thank you, chair. I don't

[46:51] know if I'm allowed, but my

[46:53] question really is for council

[46:55] member chavez. Because I do

[46:56] think you get to ask whatever

[46:59] question you want. To council

[47:01] member chavez, the question is

[47:03] you raised the point about like

[47:05] what we're required to do. With

[47:09] the contract. And I've been

[47:11] waiting for close to two years

[47:14] fo dollars to be released from

[47:16] the federal administration based

[47:18] on language that they, like,

[47:21] very specific language that was

[47:23] used in a contract for a

[47:24] railroad grant that literally

[47:26] had nothing to do with

[47:29] immigration services. And so

[47:30] they hadctual language in this

[47:32] contract that said we needed to

[47:36] work with ice, essentially, to

[47:42] litigate that for almt two

[47:43] years. I mean, it was very

[47:44] specific. It was not vague at

[47:46] all. There was no question what

[47:48] ey were requiring for us to

[47:50] do, and that is why we rejected

[47:52] the grant. So maybe to the city

[47:54] attorney, I mean, the things

[47:56] th have been in litigation

[47:58] have been very clear about like

[48:03] the federal government for us to

[48:06] receive money, I thought.

[48:11] » through the chair, council

[48:12] member vetaw, so I believe

[48:13] you're talking about the

[48:16] connecting camden grant which I

[48:18] still pending.

[48:19] » yes.

[48:20] » and it did have language in

[48:22] this pertaining to ice and

[48:24] immigration enforcement.

[48:26] specifically, some of the

[48:27] similar terms to what we saw

[48:28] here. And we do have an active

[48:31] injunction that would prohibit

[48:35] your point, negotiated those to

[48:37] terms out to that grant so tt

[48:40] the grant is still not complete,

[48:41] to your point. We are still

[48:43] waiting for final signature on

[48:46] that grant. But the draft of the

[48:49] grant that is the most recent

[48:50] grant does have an exception to

[48:54] those terms due to the lawsuits

[48:56] we negotiated.

[48:57] » I guess what I'm trying to

[48:59] get at here is none of this

[49:01] money we want to compromise what

[49:03] we feel as a city. Not only was

[49:06] the connecting camden grant,

[49:09] which was extremely important to

[49:11] this community, rejected by the

[49:13] administration, think anything

[49:14] else that came in with that sort

[49:16] of language has been rejected.

[49:18] and we worked as a city

[49:19] enterprise to make sure we don't

[49:24] compromise oselves or the

[49:25] residents like that. I feel like

[49:27] I need to ask this because the

[49:29] questions keep coming up. Like

[49:30] is ts going to be the same

[49:33] thing for everything that we g

[49:35] from the federal government? Are

[49:37] our city attorneys and the mayor

[49:39] and the council going to

[49:41] continue to fight the same way

[49:43] we have since this

[49:46] administration took office? Like

[49:47] is tt the commitment from all

[49:48] of us and the city attorney's

[49:53] compromise who we are as leaders

[49:55] and let something slip through?

[49:56] I don't think that that's the

[49:57] case here. And so I'm okay with

[50:00] supporting this because I know

[50:02] how many conversations I've had

[50:06] with not only the attorneys

[50:07] folks that are suing along with

[50:10] our city in lawsuits similar.

[50:12] other citie who've had to sue,

[50:14] that we've had to model what

[50:15] they've done. The mayor's

[50:18] office. My colleagues that we

[50:20] won't compromise who we are as a

[50:22] city to receive money from the

[50:23] federal government at all. Like

[50:26] I think that's been clear since

[50:27] day one. That we will not do

[50:31] that. We're not going to

[50:47] comprose our residents. We've

[50:48] done a good job of expressing

[50:51] that not how we roll around

[50:52] here. So I don't think that

[50:54] anyone would come into this

[50:56] chambers before this body,

[50:57] before the mayor, before the

[50:58] city attorney's office with

[51:00] something that they think would

[51:03] compromise what we've stated

[51:04] very clearly on our own personal

[51:07] platforms, professional

[51:10] thing we've done in the last

[51:15] year and a half of this entire

[51:17] administration has been around,

[51:18] we're standing together as a

[51:19] city. And if the one thing we

[51:21] can agree on fighting, its

[51:24] this administration, especially

[51:25] when they're comprising who we

[51:28] are as minneapolis. So I'm happy

[51:30] move forward with this. I'm

[51:32] also confident in that if

[51:34] something came up not only with

[51:36] the city attorneys, the police

[51:38] department, know you all

[51:40] certainly don't want another

[51:41] scandal on your hands. And so

[51:44] I'm certain that folks will com

[51:47] and talk to us if something is

[51:49] out of order here. But we have

[51:52] think about what this does

[51:53] for -- what this grant will do

[51:55] forhe community, especially

[51:56] when we're in a budget crisis

[51:58] right now. Like what we're

[52:00] talking about here. If this

[52:02] grant can assist us in a

[52:05] financial crisis, then I think

[52:06] we should at least try. I

[52:08] something comes up that is

[52:10] compromising us, then I'm with

[52:12] council member chavez, I say no,

[52:16] period. Thank you.

[52:17] » thank you. Next, we'll go to

[52:20] council member whiting.

[52:23] » thank you, chair chowdhury.

[52:25] and probably a few questions. I

[52:30] think we're speaking about

[52:31] prram and kind of grants. I'm

[52:33] trying to get a dper

[52:34] understanding of wha we have

[52:36] before us and what this grant

[52:38] applicatio process looks like.

[52:39] and so for kind of the language

[52:41] that council member chavez is

[52:42] speaking to, and I think all of

[52:44] us have concerns about, within

[52:47] the kind of nofo, the notice of

[52:50] funding opportunity, can you --

[52:55] at which you can, can you speak

[52:56] to us about what nofos are

[52:59] broadly and where this language

[53:01] isoming from?

[53:02] » sure. Through the chair,

[53:05] council member whiting, nofos

[53:07] are notes of funding

[53:10] opportunity. They are documents

[53:11] put out by the federal

[53:13] government and governments at

[53:17] various levels providing

[53:21] sometimes competitive and

[53:22] sotimes uniform grant

[53:23] opportunities. So any interested

[53:27] party can read the nofo and

[53:30] submit an application to receive

[53:31] grant funding. So this

[53:33] particular nofo is for the -- I

[53:37] forget the name. It is long. The

[53:40] national integrated ballistic

[53:42] information modernization

[53:43] program through the department

[53:45] of justice. And t funding for

[53:48] that program, the nibin program,

[53:52] for short, com fm a recently

[53:56] passed section of trump's I

[54:00] believe it's the one big

[54:02] beautiful bill. The particular

[54:04] section of that bill that

[54:07] thorized this grant program

[54:09] and funding has language in it

[54:10] related to various things that

[54:12] the grant funding can be used

[54:13] for. And among those things are

[54:21] uses such as enhancing the

[54:24] capacity of governments to

[54:27] locate and apprehend quote

[54:33] aliens who have committed -- and

[54:36] languages that council member

[54:36] chavez read. Those are types of

[54:38] uses that are allowable under

[54:40] that authorizing statute. They

[54:42] ar not the only uses of funding

[54:45] allowable under that statute.

[54:48] » thank you. And just so I can

[54:49] kind of clarify it in my mind.

[54:51] these kind of nofos allow for a

[54:54] purpose of funding and these

[54:58] are, to couil member chavez's

[55:01] point, language in here that

[55:02] will allow f avenues such as

[55:07] apprehend aliens or illegal

[55:10] aliens as noted in the nofo.

[55:12] but there is nothing that

[55:13] requires in either the nofo or

[55:16] an attached mou, there's nothing

[55:18] that requires this grant to be

[55:22] used for those specific

[55:23] purposes.

[55:23] » that's correct. The section

[55:25] that council member chavez read

[55:27] from was from the first section

[55:28] of the nofo. The purposes. But

[55:32] that is not the section that is

[55:35] required use of funding. Goals

[55:38] and objectives of this funding

[55:40] sectn that includes more

[55:43] specific targeted uses of the

[55:45] funds, and then as I'm sure my

[55:47] colleagues would be able to tell

[55:51] you more out, as an applicant,

[55:54] you provi a program narrative

[55:55] of how you intend to use the

[56:00] funds that comports with those

[56:01] goals and objectives.

[56:03] » that's really helpful. Thank

[56:07] you for the clarification.

[56:07] » thank you. Next, we'll go to

[56:10] council member warren.

[56:12] » thank you, chair. I want to

[56:16] support this because I

[56:18] understand the importance of

[56:20] ballistic testing, and I really

[56:23] want to solve the unsolved

[56:26] murders and homicides and acts

[56:28] of violee that have

[56:30] perpetuated violence throughout

[56:32] our community. I understand that

[56:34] it is something that is

[56:36] uncomfortable because aot of

[56:37] times we don't suspect that some

[56:40] of our neighbors who appear to

[56:42] be one way towards us can be

[56:45] anothe way towards something

[56:46] else. A I don't know here in

[56:51] the state of minnesota, I've

[56:53] never seen an alien before in my

[56:54] life. Okay. I've never seen a

[56:59] spaceship pull up. I've never

[57:02] seen anybody green jumpp off

[57:04] of there or anything of that

[57:06] sorts. But if they come here and

[57:10] cutting up, need to know

[57:12] there's something put in place

[57:13] where we can dl with those

[57:16] people accordingly. I know there

[57:18] are individuals who are

[57:19] committi crimes, like I said

[57:21] before, we did not suspect

[57:23] beyond a shadow of a doubt that

[57:27] that was something they would be

[57:28] doing. They appeared one way to

[57:30] us and they do something else

[57:33] somewhere else. Marilyn manson,

[57:35] great person. Wonderful dad. All

[57:36] of these gre things. But then

[57:39] a heinous serial killer doing

[57:44] something else. You just never

[57:46] know. But if this machine and

[57:47] this equipment and these

[57:49] testings a going to prove that

[57:52] someone was involved or they're

[57:53] able to trace it back to

[57:56] firearms like I want to keep the

[57:58] focusn that part of solving

[58:00] crimes because I just really

[58:02] want safer communies. And if

[58:03] it means that we're going to end

[58:06] up apprehending some individuals

[58:07] who are even in law enforcement

[58:09] or apprehending individuals who

[58:11] are in other fields of public

[58:13] safety or people who are doing,

[58:15] then guess what? Nobody is

[58:17] without being reproved. I'm just

[58:18] going to say that. So if there's

[58:20] some things that need to be done

[58:23] in order to clean up our justice

[58:25] system and ensure that we are

[58:28] charging people appropriate with

[58:29] the crimes that they have

[58:31] committed and accountability is

[58:32] going to be present, then sign

[58:36] me up twice. I don't believe in

[58:40] individuals bng targeted

[58:42] around any type of immigration

[58:45] status at all whatsoever. Do not

[58:46] target anyone based on their

[58:49] citizenship or anythin like

[58:50] that. But like I said, I've

[58:52] never have seen an alien before

[58:53] in my life. So I don't know who

[58:57] this grant application thing is

[59:00] calling aliens because I've

[59:00] never seen any. But if there are

[59:02] people who are committing crimes

[59:04] who are doing things out here

[59:06] that they have no business

[59:08] doing, then those people need to

[59:09] be dealt with accordingly. And I

[59:11] was hoping that there was a plan

[59:13] in order to get them off of the

[59:15] street so that other people can

[59:16] go on with their natural lives.

[59:19] that's what I have to say. And

[59:21] so I'm interested in supporting

[59:24] it because I want crimes solved.

[59:26] I do. There is a lot of

[59:30] situations with unsolved murders

[59:32] and childr and young people

[59:32] and elders and people who have

[59:35] been harmed and injured by

[59:38] firearms, and I just want any

[59:40] y that we can figure out who's

[59:44] responsible for that, then let's

[59:46] go with that method of making

[59:48] sure that we are holding people

[59:50] accountable for the cmes that

[59:50] they've committed.

[59:52] » thank you.

[59:53] » the end.

[59:55] » thank you. Next I'll

[59:56] recognize council member chavez.

[59:58] » thank you, chair chughtai. I

[1:00:01] think the fedal government

[1:00:02] when they're saying aliens,

[1:00:07] they're referring to

[1:00:08] undocumented immigrants. I just

[1:00:10] want t provide the context

[1:00:12] they're explicitly naming

[1:00:18] undocumented neighbors as aliens

[1:00:20] and illegal. I will be working

[1:00:24] with the city attorney's office

[1:00:25] to share the language that I

[1:00:27] have draft on a resolution

[1:00:28] that I will be attaching to this

[1:00:31] nofo that literally condemns the

[1:00:34] way our undocumented neighbors

[1:00:35] are being called on in this

[1:00:38] document that put requirements

[1:00:39] on this, if we were to move

[1:00:43] forward with seeking this grant

[1:00:45] asking for written clarification

[1:00:47] from this agency on if they

[1:00:50] would interpret our separation

[1:00:52] ordinance being in violation if

[1:00:54] we would seek this. What they

[1:00:57] woul mean by dhs notice.

[1:01:00] whether they would interpret us

[1:01:02] accepting this grant, us

[1:01:04] violating our civil rights

[1:01:05] ordinance because cil rights

[1:01:06] is mentioned in this nofo, and

[1:01:08] other stuff that I think we need

[1:01:10] to have written clarification

[1:01:11] from. Because what I don't

[1:01:13] believe is the federal

[1:01:14] government. They have known to

[1:01:16] lie about coming to minneapolis

[1:01:18] to address cre, but what

[1:01:19] they're doing is taking innocent

[1:01:22] moms, fathers and ds away from

[1:01:23] our city. I want to make sure if

[1:01:25] folks are going to move forward

[1:01:27] with this, I'm going to attach a

[1:01:29] resolution because I have the

[1:01:31] responsibility to represent my

[1:01:33] constituents and making sure the

[1:01:37] could be impacting our hing that

[1:01:38] residents.

[1:01:39] » thank you. Next, I'll

[1:01:41] recognize council member

[1:01:41] shaffer.

[1:01:42] » yes, I'll be brief. Thank

[1:01:44] you, council member chavez for

[1:01:46] sharing your heart. And I'll

[1:01:47] look forward to seeing wt you

[1:01:49] bring forward around this

[1:01:50] resolution. And if it's

[1:01:52] something that we can indeed

[1:01:54] attach, I appreciate that work.

[1:01:57] I aed today I have to say on

[1:01:59] the heels of ward 7 being on the

[1:02:01] border of what happened this

[1:02:03] week and the tremendous

[1:02:06] violence, this is something I

[1:02:07] have to support. We see what

[1:02:14] this technolog brings to

[1:02:16] insight for mpd in trying to

[1:02:17] find out the perpetrators of

[1:02:19] some of these crimes. And we

[1:02:22] cannot have this bece the norm

[1:02:23] on our streets. We need these

[1:02:25] tools to be able to find those

[1:02:28] who are committing these heinous

[1:02:31] crimes. And get them off the

[1:02:32] streets. And so I will be

[1:02:35] supporting this. I'm a little

[1:02:40] surprised at the conversation.

[1:02:41] but will be following up with

[1:02:43] the city attorney's office to be

[1:02:45] able to understand what our

[1:02:46] process is. But I just really am

[1:02:51] grateful for the thoughts today.

[1:02:54] » thank you. Seeing no further

[1:03:02] discussion, is there a motion on

[1:03:03] this item?

[1:03:06] » I moved for forwarding

[1:03:08] without recommendation. That was

[1:03:10] seconded.

[1:03:10] » great. I'm not seeing anyone

[1:03:17] else in discussion. So on the

[1:03:21] motion, clerk, please call the

[1:03:22] roll.

[1:03:22] » council member payne.

[1:03:24] » aye.

[1:03:25] » rainville.

[1:03:26] » ay

[1:03:28] » vetaw.

[1:03:28] » aye.

[1:03:29] » warren.

[1:03:30] » aye.

[1:03:31] osman.

[1:03:31] » aye.

[1:03:33] » shaffer.

[1:03:33] » aye.

[1:03:34] » chavez.

[1:03:35] » aye.

[1:03:36] » whiting.

[1:03:36] » aye.

[1:03:37] » palmisano.

[1:03:38] » aye.

[1:03:38] » vice chair chughtai.

[1:03:40] » aye.

[1:03:40] » and chair chowdhury.

[1:03:41] » aye.

[1:03:42] » there are 11 ayes.

[1:03:45] » that motion carries. Our next

[1:03:49] discussion item is a staff

[1:03:52] directive fr council member

[1:03:53] shaffer and vice chair chughtai.

[1:03:54] it is related to the budget

[1:03:57] process and analyzes other

[1:03:59] factors. Do either one of the

[1:04:01] authors want to speak more to

[1:04:02] this item? Council member

[1:04:04] shaffer.

[1:04:05] » yes. This is just a staff

[1:04:08] directive. As we head into our

[1:04:10] budget season looking at what

[1:04:11] other cities, other processes

[1:04:13] might be hpening that we can

[1:04:15] look at to glean informati

[1:04:19] from. And have talked with lro

[1:04:22] aff about this and I've

[1:04:23] invited andrew to come and give

[1:04:25] just a brief couple minute

[1:04:28] overview of where this direction

[1:04:31] would head.

[1:04:31] » welcome, up, mr. Hoggins.

[1:04:45] » thank you, chair chowdhury,

[1:04:48] vice chair chughtai, my name is

[1:04:52] andr hoggins. The staff

[1:04:54] direction resembles a lot of the

[1:04:56] pieces that we see in staff

[1:04:58] directions lro in that it asks

[1:05:00] uso understand what is the

[1:05:02] landscape of the legislative

[1:05:04] budget process as it exists in

[1:05:07] comparable cities and pull out

[1:05:08] any examples that would benefit

[1:05:11] the council for consideration as

[1:05:13] we kinda head into this

[1:05:16] transition following the mayor's

[1:05:18] budget address and delivery on

[1:05:20] the 24th of august to the budget

[1:05:22] coittee. We wanted to make

[1:05:23] sure we're being timely to get

[1:05:25] this information t council for

[1:05:27] consideration in advance of that

[1:05:29] timeline so that any tools that

[1:05:30] we observe across other

[1:05:32] jurisdictions and comparable

[1:05:34] bodies to legislative research

[1:05:35] and oversight are able to be

[1:05:38] considered and kind of adopted

[1:05:39] for use in this process. This

[1:05:42] should come to no surprise to

[1:05:44] anybody this will be a

[1:05:45] challenging budget process. One

[1:05:47] thing that there seems to be

[1:05:48] quite a bit of agreement on.

[1:05:50] om our standpoint, anything we

[1:05:52] can do to support this body with

[1:05:55] considerations as this process

[1:05:56] begins is something that we want

[1:05:57] to pursue. Thank you.

[1:05:59] » thankyou. Is there any

[1:06:00] further discussion on this item?

[1:06:03] all right. Seeing none, can I

[1:06:05] have a motion on this item?

[1:06:07] » so moved.

[1:06:10] » second.

[1:06:11] » all those in favor say aye.

[1:06:12] » aye.

[1:06:13] » those opposed say nay. That

[1:06:14] motion carries. All right. Now

[1:06:26] we will return to our receive

[1:06:27] and file portion of our agenda.

[1:06:29] our first presentation is about

[1:06:31] the city council's work so far

[1:06:33] in 2026. I'll welcome up andrew

[1:06:37] hoggins again from the

[1:06:39] legislative research oversight

[1:06:40] team for this presentation.

[1:06:45] » all right. Hello agn. I

[1:06:48] won't introduce myself twice. So

[1:06:50] for this presentation I think

[1:06:52] the one thing you'll probably

[1:06:53] notice is going to be different,

[1:06:55] starting in 2026, the role of

[1:07:00] reporting back of the report, we

[1:07:01] took the first quarter of this

[1:07:04] year tomplement the dashboard

[1:07:06] that you're going to see linked

[1:07:11] and qr coded and will linked to

[1:07:13] our website shortly. How we can

[1:07:15] make this more transparent,

[1:07:18] provide more information about

[1:07:19] all the different items that are

[1:07:21] coming through our legislative

[1:07:25] it's committees for ncil and

[1:07:26] consideration on any given week.

[1:07:28] this presentation focuses a lot

[1:07:29] more on kind of what that

[1:07:31] process looks like and

[1:07:32] highlighting some of the items

[1:07:33] that are going to be included. I

[1:07:35] think subsequently for quarterly

[1:07:37] reports we'll be able to focus

[1:07:39] on expanded functionality and

[1:07:42] additional date points and do a

[1:07:44] culminating report at the end of

[1:07:46] the year. However, for the

[1:07:47] purposes of this one, it's

[1:07:50] almost deliberely light

[1:07:54] because we're trying to drag

[1:07:55] people to the dashboard itself.

[1:07:58] to get feedback and make sure

[1:07:59] we're improving as we go. So

[1:08:05] again, like a lot of our work,

[1:08:06] our key reasons for taking this

[1:08:09] approach with public

[1:08:10] transparency, having public

[1:08:13] facing dashboard, accessibility

[1:08:15] for residents as well as

[1:08:16] council. It also reduces a

[1:08:19] burden on entities. Council

[1:08:22] offices that have issued

[1:08:24] legislative directive, when our

[1:08:26] office of city auditor brings

[1:08:28] back audit reports that have

[1:08:30] findings.

[1:08:30] historically there have been

[1:08:33] challenges trying to tck down

[1:08:36] the status of those. Remediedy

[1:08:38] the appropriate departments. And

[1:08:41] so I think making this

[1:08:44] transparent and acceptable

[1:08:46] simplifies that.he ability to

[1:08:47] call that stuff out when we see

[1:08:49] there's things that have been

[1:08:52] outstanding for quite some time.

[1:08:53] just again, the one data point I

[1:08:56] did include to highlight, 774

[1:09:01] total council acts. 520 action

[1:09:04] ems. The action items break

[1:09:06] down into a number ofifferent

[1:09:08] ways to cut across these. I

[1:09:10] think we're still working on

[1:09:11] what's the most impactful. We

[1:09:14] certainly can throw out all

[1:09:16] different kinds of stats. But

[1:09:17] it's important to work with the

[1:09:21] figure out what's important and

[1:09:22] what people are the most

[1:09:22] interested in tracking and how

[1:09:25] we break that out accordingly.

[1:09:27] this year, obviously due to the

[1:09:29] situation created b operation

[1:09:30] metro surge, like the shift to a

[1:09:32] lot of what would he normally

[1:09:35] gone through committees to this

[1:09:37] committee created challenges.

[1:09:41] that's something that we're

[1:09:42] try

[1:09:43] forward. Similarly for the

[1:09:52] legislative directive and staff

[1:09:53] directive tracking that we're

[1:09:56] doing, we have our lros

[1:09:59] dashboard is directly plugged

[1:10:01] into lims. Unfortunately, in is

[1:10:04] the one area where we still

[1:10:05] don't have the ability to get

[1:10:07] updates on the status through

[1:10:09] lims. I should also say thank

[1:10:11] you to amalia from the office of

[1:10:13] public service, and tim from it

[1:10:16] for their help pulling all this

[1:10:17] together and getting everything

[1:10:19] published in time to ensure we

[1:10:21] had a public facing dashboard

[1:10:24] for accessibility today. For the

[1:10:27] ongoing directives that we're

[1:10:29] tracking, right now, and again,

[1:10:32] I noticed a couple that

[1:10:33] somemes they come through in

[1:10:34] different formats based on

[1:10:37] modifications to the request.

[1:10:38] we're always going to be going

[1:10:40] through this to make sure

[1:10:40] everything is reflective. Always

[1:10:43] feel free to reach us out and we

[1:10:45] can make sure it's added. But we

[1:10:51] have ocs quarterly updates.

[1:10:54] tec

[1:10:56] closes so we're trying to figure

[1:10:57] out how to capture that

[1:10:59] correctly. I know the

[1:11:01] shotspotter will be returning in

[1:11:05] q4 along side the audit record

[1:11:07] on the similar topic. The south

[1:11:13] lyndale master corridor program.

[1:11:15] I'm presenting that one. The

[1:11:17] non-fatal shooting task force.

[1:11:18] there was a quarterly report

[1:11:20] ju

[1:11:22] one that's going to continue to

[1:11:24] come back. We' trying to find

[1:11:25] a way in the dashboard itself.

[1:11:30] e

[1:11:31] if you want to find on these

[1:11:32] that I'm goi to point out on a

[1:11:35] later slide. The ones I wanted

[1:11:46] to highlight. The residential

[1:11:48] ordinance. Three-part series.

[1:11:50] th first was on 5/13. 8/15 is

[1:11:56] the next. And then I know the

[1:12:02] thrive strategic development

[1:12:04] plan has a date of 9/30. Moving

[1:12:07] in to staff directives. We had

[1:12:10] six that had been completed from

[1:12:12] january 1st to now. For the

[1:12:15] eight that areeing tracked. I

[1:12:18] know we have a couple other ones

[1:12:21] that need to get added in here.

[1:12:22] I can speak to the ones from

[1:12:24] lro. For the crter compliance,

[1:12:30] municipality oversight. That one

[1:12:33] is ongoing. Charter is q3

[1:12:35] target. The public safety

[1:12:39] policies and practices, that one

[1:12:41] tually is coming forward to

[1:12:46] phc next cycle. Presentation in

[1:12:46] august. And payment in lieu of

[1:12:50] taxes is also targeting

[1:12:53] august 25th. And autonomous

[1:12:55] vehicle is currently on cue for

[1:13:00] assignment. Dashboard using the

[1:13:01] link assuminghere's internet

[1:13:03] in here, everybody should be

[1:13:06] able to access.t continues to

[1:13:08] be updated. It pulls in a lot of

[1:13:10] data. Any time that you have a

[1:13:13] lot of different data sources,

[1:13:14] you're going to have kind of

[1:13:15] clean up and beautification

[1:13:17] efforts that I'm sure we'll be

[1:13:18] doing for a little bit. We also

[1:13:19] have a lot of function alma

[1:13:21] mater that we want to continue

[1:13:23] building out. Cutting across

[1:13:24] different communities so we can

[1:13:25] dive in to what's happening

[1:13:28] across different committees to

[1:13:29] give people the most insight

[1:13:31] that we're able to for things

[1:13:32] that areither going through

[1:13:34] council, that are coming in the

[1:13:36] future, or that we jt

[1:13:37] completed. What you see here,

[1:13:39] this is the preview review page.

[1:13:41] this is the first tab that

[1:13:43] people will see when they go to

[1:13:45] this dashboard. The purpose of

[1:13:47] this it looks forward 14 days

[1:13:50] and backward 14 days just to

[1:13:52] give people an idea for what's

[1:13:54] coming in the future. All of

[1:13:57] these items, if you cli the

[1:13:58] more info tab on the right side,

[1:14:01] we do have links tthe lims

[1:14:02] files themselves. Next, we have

[1:14:06] the council directive status.

[1:14:09] this pulls from a different data

[1:14:11] source but trying to track all

[1:14:12] the directives we have

[1:14:14] outstanding. Allow people to see

[1:14:16] who the responsible department

[1:14:18] was. If you hover over the tab

[1:14:19] on the right, it has responsive

[1:14:21] information at least for the

[1:14:23] ones that are outstanding. Those

[1:14:25] will contain the latest updates

[1:14:29] from the departments themselves.

[1:14:31] this is something that will keep

[1:14:33] evolving and we want to color

[1:14:35] code. Flags that turn re

[1:14:36] yellow, green, et cetera. And

[1:14:41] last, you have the lims file

[1:14:42] search. So again, this is

[1:14:45] similar to seahing lims. It

[1:14:46] has a different functionality. I

[1:14:48] think we're going to add fields

[1:14:50] in there that you can search by

[1:14:53] ju to find legislative files.

[1:14:55] when you open it up, it will

[1:14:57] everything from the entirety of

[1:14:58] this year. If you search the

[1:15:01] lims file number or subject file

[1:15:03] field by any subject you're

[1:15:04] looking for, it will limit that

[1:15:06] to anything that will be

[1:15:07] responsive to that search. Next

[1:15:11] steps, landing page. So we want

[1:15:13] to have a home page that

[1:15:16] outlines what's covered.

[1:15:18] how to use this dashboard and

[1:15:20] provide more information. We're

[1:15:22] going to continue added updates

[1:15:24] so this is updated in real time.

[1:15:27] it also does sort of encourage

[1:15:29] people that might have

[1:15:30] outstanding directives to be

[1:15:32] updating that information as

[1:15:33] much as they can because it will

[1:15:35] automatically go into the

[1:15:37] dashboard itself and reflect to

[1:15:39] anybody that's interested. And

[1:15:40] exnsion of functionality that

[1:15:41] I talked about.

[1:15:43] ensure we're being deliberate

[1:15:44] about how w build it out.

[1:15:46] having a tab that exists where

[1:15:48] we can track audit findings and

[1:15:50] their responsible department and

[1:15:52] committee they're assigned to

[1:15:53] will allow members of that

[1:15:54] committee to ask those questions

[1:15:56] when they come up so we're

[1:15:58] ensuring the city is being

[1:16:00] deliberate about how it's

[1:16:00] responding to audit findings.

[1:16:04] with that, that concludes my

[1:16:06] presentation. I'm happy to

[1:16:07] answer any questions there might

[1:16:08] be.

[1:16:09] » tha you so much, andrew.

[1:16:11] members, would anyone like to

[1:16:12] get into queue? President payne.

[1:16:15] » thank you, chair chowdhury.

[1:16:19] and tnk you, director hoggins.

[1:16:21] I think this transparency is so

[1:16:24] helpful. I think our day-to-day

[1:16:26] is such a whirlwind it's nice to

[1:16:30] take a step back, zoom out and

[1:16:32] see what's getting accomplished

[1:16:33] and what we're working on. That

[1:16:36] goes a long way towards building

[1:16:38] trust and faith in what we do

[1:16:40] here in the government.

[1:16:41] appreciate your efforts on that.

[1:16:43] » thank you. One quickhing I

[1:16:45] can share too just from talking

[1:16:47] to staff with the wild card

[1:16:50] search. There's so much that

[1:16:51] happens that we can lose sight.

[1:16:56] somebody brought up, I don't

[1:16:58] think we've done much with that

[1:16:59] this year. I pulled up the

[1:17:01] dashboard. I think there were

[1:17:03] nine different legislative files

[1:17:04] that came up on that topic this

[1:17:05] year. It's a good opportunity

[1:17:07] for people if they're interested

[1:17:08] in any specific topic to

[1:17:10] research all the legislative

[1:17:11] files to see what you all are

[1:17:13] doing and follow along.

[1:17:16] » wonderful. Next, we will go

[1:17:21] to council member shaffer.

[1:17:23] » couple things. Can you speak

[1:17:25] to the data format underneath

[1:17:27] e item wildcard search? I get

[1:17:31] this query functns at the top.

[1:17:33] but then for some reason can you

[1:17:35] speak to what we see underneath

[1:17:37] that and the value of seeing all

[1:17:41] that?

[1:17:41] » yup. Through the chair,

[1:17:44] council member shaffer, so this

[1:17:45] is something where again tha

[1:17:49] pulls from lims. There's a lot

[1:17:53] data. There's a lot in the

[1:17:58] more info tab. So if you hover

[1:18:01] over that it will open a box.

[1:18:03] we're still organizing that and

[1:18:06] everything. It's the lims file

[1:18:08] number. Which is legislative

[1:18:09] information management stem.

[1:18:10] it will have the file subject.

[1:18:11] the action date is going to be

[1:18:13] the date that the action was

[1:18:14] taken. So that's where you'll

[1:18:16] see it in action. Those columns

[1:18:18] reflec the titles as they exist

[1:18:20] in lims. It's something where I

[1:18:22] want to update them. But when I

[1:18:25] start editorializing those, it

[1:18:29] affects other things. That's

[1:18:30] something I need to be more

[1:18:31] deliberate. It will show the

[1:18:33] committee that the action was

[1:18:33] taken. And so also if you click

[1:18:38] on the more info on the

[1:18:40] dashboard itself, there should

[1:18:42] be a link that pops up on the

[1:18:43] bottom of the bble that takes

[1:18:45] you to the actual lims file for

[1:18:47] each respective one. The reason

[1:18:50] these were picked is to show

[1:18:51] where things are moving thugh.

[1:18:53] obviously, this year being

[1:18:54] unique where we had

[1:18:57] coolidation of things in to

[1:18:58] cow for a while, there's not

[1:19:00] going to be as many different

[1:19:02] committees reflected as there

[1:19:03] would normally be. As we go

[1:19:06] forward, that would be populated

[1:19:08] now that committees are running

[1:19:09] in their normal capacity. What

[1:19:11] this does that's interesting,

[1:19:12] just for the tailgating

[1:19:15] ordinance, is it really does

[1:19:17] show the life cycle of some of

[1:19:19] these items. Like the sometimes

[1:19:23] complex route they can take from

[1:19:25] introduction to referral and all

[1:19:26] the way back to council for

[1:19:28] ultimately for consideration for

[1:19:29] adoption.

[1:19:30] » okay. So it's kind o a

[1:19:31] scrolling function. If you know

[1:19:33] approximately it happened in

[1:19:34] february but I don't know

[1:19:35] exactly the word to pull it up

[1:19:38] on query.

[1:19:40] » correct. I think the date

[1:19:42] function was one that we can add

[1:19:43] as well. But the lims file

[1:19:45] subject. I mean, you can really

[1:19:47] go in and type in anything. So

[1:19:48] if you wanted to look at -- I'm

[1:19:50] trying to think what have we

[1:19:53] been doing. Safe outdoor spaces.

[1:19:55] if you type that in to the lims

[1:19:57] file subject, every file that

[1:19:59] hits with those words will come

[1:20:00] back. And if you want just

[1:20:02] looking at housing, looking at

[1:20:04] public safety. You could keyword

[1:20:05] search it. As long as it's in

[1:20:07] the file subject as well as the

[1:20:09] item title, it will pull back

[1:20:11] all of those results. So

[1:20:13] sometimes, again, we know

[1:20:14] roughly what we're looking for

[1:20:16] but we don't know exactly, it

[1:20:17] can often be hard to go back and

[1:20:19] identify those items.

[1:20:21] I know ourctual lims site has

[1:20:24] some search functionality. But

[1:20:26] this one operates a little

[1:20:29] differently. It's quicker to

[1:20:31] scroll through because it

[1:20:32] doesn't have a lot of

[1:20:33] information in the dashboard

[1:20:34] itself. It will take you to the

[1:20:36] full lims file.

[1:20:37] » thank you so much for all

[1:20:38] your work on this. It will be

[1:20:39] interesting. Can you speak a

[1:20:41] little bit to what's your vision

[1:20:42] for year-to-year? Like will this

[1:20:46] all collapse into 2026ut it

[1:20:48] will all -- you do a query it

[1:20:51] will all pull up ongoing years?

[1:20:53] what's your vision?

[1:20:54] » that's a wonderful question.

[1:20:56] this is definitely something we

[1:20:59] want to keep building. More is

[1:21:05] more. So though 26, 27, 28. It

[1:21:08] was hard getting it to display

[1:21:10] in a way that was digestible is

[1:21:12] when we have committees that can

[1:21:13] change names. It will start to

[1:21:16] display a lot more. Sometimes

[1:21:22] comparison. Committee a to

[1:21:23] committee b in another cycle. I

[1:21:25] think trying to fige out how

[1:21:27] to add in even historical data

[1:21:29] is something we want to do. This

[1:21:31] is something we intend to

[1:21:33] continue to accumulate data as

[1:21:35] we move forwd.

[1:21:36] » it's very exciting and thank

[1:21:38] you for all your hard work.

[1:21:39] » absolutely.

[1:21:40] » thank you. I am not seeing

[1:21:43] anyone else in queue. So I will

[1:21:49] presentation and report. Now

[1:21:53] we'll move to item 5. We have

[1:21:57] another presentation to receive

[1:21:58] related to our appointed boards

[1:22:01] and commission status. I will

[1:22:03] invite up julie hofland from the

[1:22:06] city clerk's office to kick this

[1:22:08] presentation off. Lcome.

[1:22:16] » all right. Good afternoon

[1:22:19] vice chair chughtai and

[1:22:20] committee members, I'm julie

[1:22:23] hovland, the abc program

[1:22:25] manager, and I'm excited to

[1:22:28] share our progress on board

[1:22:28] reform. The city of minneapolis

[1:22:36] values active community

[1:22:37] engagement. Appointed boards and

[1:22:40] commissions are one of the most

[1:22:42] visible ways for residents to

[1:22:43] take part in local government.

[1:22:45] because abcs are official cy

[1:22:48] groups, their work must align

[1:22:49] with the city's operational

[1:22:52] framework and their own enabling

[1:22:59] legislation. Abc reform is about

[1:23:00] making it easier and more

[1:23:04] participate in city government.

[1:23:05] it gives abcs a clear structure

[1:23:09] to their work and it makes their

[1:23:10] work stay aligned with city

[1:23:12] priorities. It also supports

[1:23:15] smoother, more meaningl

[1:23:18] collaboration between elected

[1:23:19] officials, city staff and abc

[1:23:20] bodies. Every abc has now been

[1:23:30] placed into a tier. Most of our

[1:23:31] work has focused on tier three

[1:23:36] and four advisory bodies.

[1:23:37] improvements such as creing

[1:23:38] and actively using standardized

[1:23:44] templates for participation

[1:23:45] agreements, bylaws rules, and

[1:23:48] establishing resolutions. Other

[1:23:53] accomplishments worth

[1:23:56] highlighting. We created and

[1:23:58] published comprehensive abc

[1:24:01] operations manual with all

[1:24:02] policies, procedures, and

[1:24:03] standards regarding abcs in one

[1:24:06] place. We also completed major

[1:24:09] lims updates, adding much needed

[1:24:12] tomation and new tracking

[1:24:14] features for waivers and service

[1:24:16] restrictions. New member

[1:24:18] profile was developed and

[1:24:20] launched. The required online

[1:24:22] ethics training is now aligned

[1:24:24] with members appointed terms.

[1:24:27] the training itself was

[1:24:29] redesigned to improve the member

[1:24:31] experience and ensure content is

[1:24:32] more relevant. A mayoral

[1:24:36] executive order was secured

[1:24:38] affiing the office of city

[1:24:40] clerk as the central agency

[1:24:41] responsible for abc operations.

[1:24:44] we delivered a comprehenve

[1:24:47] training course for department

[1:24:49] board staff liaisons focusing on

[1:24:51] abc operations, best practices

[1:24:55] and collaboration with the

[1:24:57] clerk's office. To track

[1:24:59] recurring acvities, we created

[1:25:01] an annual abc operations

[1:25:03] calendar. We revamped monthly

[1:25:10] bsl team meetings to include a

[1:25:13] mix of quarterly group meetings

[1:25:15] paired with one on one sessions

[1:25:17] and tech labs. In 2025, we

[1:25:21] created the establishment of

[1:25:23] eight tier 3 advisory bodies and

[1:25:26] created one tier 4 work group.

[1:25:29] following remaini tier 3

[1:25:32] bodies will be reformed this

[1:25:33] year. Looking ahead to 2027, we

[1:25:36] plan to reform our tier 2 and 5

[1:25:39] bodies. These will be more

[1:25:40] complex because they are

[1:25:42] establishe by ordinance rather

[1:25:42] than resolution. Like all

[1:25:49] developing programs, challenges

[1:25:50] have emerged. One of our biggest

[1:25:54] pinchpoints in the abc program

[1:25:56] is managing recruitment cycles.

[1:25:59] an area not directly addressed

[1:26:00] in the reform ordinance. This

[1:26:03] sle shows the assumed

[1:26:07] recruitment process two cycles

[1:26:10] spring and fall. Each cycle

[1:26:13] includes about seven steps from

[1:26:15] advertising a seat during open

[1:26:16] appointments to having a fully

[1:26:18] seated member ready to serve.

[1:26:20] one cycle takes about seven

[1:26:23] months. Abc recruitment works a

[1:26:25] lot like an hr hiring process.

[1:26:27] we typically process over 400

[1:26:31] applications a year. However, in

[1:26:36] reality, we are managing three

[1:26:39] recruitment cycles: winter,

[1:26:40] spring and fall, plus many, many

[1:26:42] off-cycle appointments. This is

[1:26:46] caused by unsuccessful

[1:26:49] recruiting, resignations, seat

[1:26:51] forfeitures and other factors.

[1:26:57] the nominating and appointment

[1:26:59] processes is in backlog. With

[1:27:01] only 12 months in a year and a

[1:27:05] process that can stretch for

[1:27:07] more than 12 months, delivering

[1:27:10] a positive experience. In 2027,

[1:27:11] we hope to work with our

[1:27:13] partners to find ways to improve

[1:27:16] this system. Other items

[1:27:21] underway for next year include

[1:27:26] orientation program, improving

[1:27:28] how we vet applicants, enhancing

[1:27:31] the on boarding and off boardg

[1:27:33] experience for abc members, and

[1:27:36] standardizing work plans and

[1:27:44] committee members, that u,

[1:27:45] concludes my presentation on abc

[1:27:47] reform. I'd be happy to answer

[1:27:49] any questions.

[1:27:50] » thank you for that

[1:27:51] presentation. Do my colleagues

[1:27:54] ha any questions or

[1:27:55] discussion? Cncil member

[1:28:00] whiting.

[1:28:01] » thank you, vice chair

[1:28:04] chughtai. Just wanted to note

[1:28:05] just a level of thank you. I

[1:28:06] know this is a large lif here.

[1:28:09] I know I helped kind of on the

[1:28:11] opposite end when I was in the

[1:28:13] city attorney's office and know

[1:28:14] the large lift that com with

[1:28:15] all of these abcs broadly. It is

[1:28:18] really good to see the

[1:28:20] culmination of a lot of effort.

[1:28:22] just wanted to say thank you.

[1:28:24] » thanks.

[1:28:24] » of course.

[1:28:25] » thank you. Next, I'll

[1:28:27] recognize counc president

[1:28:29] payne.

[1:28:29] » thank you, vice chair

[1:28:32] chughtai. Yeah, also a big

[1:28:34] thanks. So much of your work is

[1:28:36] focused on logists. And I also

[1:28:38] want to elevate the role of abcs

[1:28:41] and what the potential is to

[1:28:42] be part of our partners in

[1:28:45] governg. Part of our partners

[1:28:46] in policymaking. And I think

[1:28:48] there are s many people in the

[1:28:49] city who are so civically

[1:28:52] engaged and they are frequently

[1:28:55] up at city hall and don't know

[1:28:57] that it's not an opportunity to

[1:28:58] do a public hearing or even for

[1:29:00] the folks who sign up to be on

[1:29:03] an abc and they don't know

[1:29:06] exactly how to get their voice

[1:29:09] represented in policy. Not only

[1:29:10] for us to get the logistics of

[1:29:12] getting people onboarded and

[1:29:14] getting applications reviewed,

[1:29:16] we on the dais need to do a

[1:29:18] better job of making sure we're

[1:29:19] emwering those voices and

[1:29:21] putting them into action. I

[1:29:24] many phases of reform that's ver

[1:29:25] going to be at least one

[1:29:27] distinct phase. And I'm happy to

[1:29:29] be a partner in figuring that

[1:29:31] out.

[1:29:31] » yeah. I appreciate that.

[1:29:33] flsh.

[1:29:33] » thank you. And finally, I'll

[1:29:36] recognize cncil member warren.

[1:29:37] » thank you, vice chair. Thank

[1:29:40] you so much for this report.

[1:29:45] this and just simplifying the

[1:29:48] process. I really appreciate

[1:29:49] that because coming in as a new

[1:29:52] council member, it was pretty

[1:29:55] tasking to look through the

[1:29:56] applications and have to, you

[1:29:59] know, decide and understand and

[1:30:00] go through the whole process.

[1:30:03] so to centralize the information

[1:30:07] and create a whole -- thank you

[1:30:08] so much. I just wanted to say

[1:30:10] thank you. Yes.

[1:30:11] » hank you. Seeing no further

[1:30:12] discussion, I will ask the clerk

[1:30:15] to file that presentation and

[1:30:16] report. Now I will turn the

[1:30:20] meeting over to council member

[1:30:22] whiting to chair our settlement

[1:30:25] agreement subcommittee. I'm

[1:30:26] sorry. I'm going to hold on that

[1:30:28] justne second. Did you have?

[1:30:36] » [ off-mic comnts ].

[1:30:37] » that's right. Perfect. Okay.

[1:30:45] now we'll turn the meeting over

[1:30:47] to council member whiting.

[1:30:49] » perfect. Thank you, vice

[1:30:52] chair chughtai. Switching on

[1:30:56] over to our settlement agreeme

[1:30:58] and consent decree subcommittee.

[1:31:01] our consent decree and

[1:31:02] settlement agreement

[1:31:03] subcommittee has two items on

[1:31:05] its agenda today. First is a

[1:31:07] presentation related to an

[1:31:08] update on implementing the

[1:31:10] reforms within the proposed

[1:31:12] consent decree. I'll invite our

[1:31:16] city attorney kristyn anderson.

[1:31:20] thank you.

[1:31:21] » hello, chairwhiting, council

[1:31:24] members, it's nice to see this

[1:31:27] afteoon. It's been a bit of

[1:31:29] time since I've been able to

[1:31:30] come and be on this side of the

[1:31:32] is. I'm always please to come

[1:31:36] and make aresentation. My

[1:31:36] presentation today is really an

[1:31:39] update on the work that the

[1:31:41] enterprise has been doing on

[1:31:43] implementing the reforms of the

[1:31:44] consent decree. And just for

[1:31:47] kind of baseline for folks who

[1:31:50] are new and/or watching, we have

[1:31:53] two things that are kind of in

[1:31:56] play in terms of police reform:

[1:31:59] one is an actual court

[1:32:00] enforceable settlement agreement

[1:32:01] with t minnesota department of

[1:32:04] human rights that we entered

[1:32:05] into and was issued as a court

[1:32:08] order in july of 2023. Again,

[1:32:11] court enforceable, we have been

[1:32:14] working on that project of

[1:32:17] police reform really frankly

[1:32:19] from before then once it was

[1:32:24] negotiated. But also there was

[1:32:25] an investigation by the

[1:32:32] resulted in a negotiation for

[1:32:36] federal consent decree. A

[1:32:40] agreement over the course of, I

[1:32:43] mean, actually, we negotiated it

[1:32:46] pretty fast. And completed the

[1:32:49] negotiations and went to court

[1:32:51] with the department of justice

[1:32:53] during the biden administration

[1:32:55] asking for t court to issue

[1:32:58] that as a court order and then

[1:33:00] there was the change of

[1:33:04] administrations and the trump

[1:33:06] administration actually

[1:33:07] dismissed the lawsuit and walked

[1:33:08] away from the consent decree. So

[1:33:11] mayor frey determined that

[1:33:12] although we weren't going to

[1:33:14] have a federal consent decree in

[1:33:16] court, it w important to still

[1:33:17] do the reforms that we had

[1:33:20] negotiated in that consent

[1:33:21] decree. And so he issued an

[1:33:27] executive oer requiring the

[1:33:28] administration to implement the

[1:33:30] reforms in the consent degree

[1:33:35] and those reforms are really

[1:33:37] defined as reforms that are not

[1:33:39] in conflict with those that

[1:33:40] exist in the settlement

[1:33:42] agreement. So we really have the

[1:33:48] settlement agreement, and there

[1:33:49] are provisions above and beyond

[1:33:51] the settlement agreement that

[1:33:52] are enforceable by an executable

[1:33:55] order by our mayor. And so we

[1:33:57] ve been working on

[1:33:58] implementing those additional

[1:34:01] provisions. Another sort of

[1:34:02] grounding thing I want to talk

[1:34:04] about is between the settlement

[1:34:06] agreement and consent decree,

[1:34:09] there are multiple subject

[1:34:11] matters that are covered in

[1:34:12] both. There are a few additional

[1:34:14] subjec matters that are covered

[1:34:16] in the consent decree that are

[1:34:18] not included in the settlement

[1:34:20] agreement. But in the settlement

[1:34:23] agreement, for example, in both

[1:34:25] documents, there's a whole

[1:34:26] section on use of force. And the

[1:34:29] settlement agreement requires

[1:34:30] certain things. And then the

[1:34:32] consent decree reforms require a

[1:34:33] few more things on top of that.

[1:34:35] so kind of in our implementation

[1:34:38] work around this, we start with

[1:34:39] theettlement agreement as

[1:34:42] being our baseline. And the way

[1:34:44] that we sort of building this

[1:34:52] reform infrastructure, it start

[1:34:53] with creation of policy,

[1:34:54] creation of training, then

[1:34:55] actually doing the training, and

[1:34:59] then holding officers

[1:35:00] accountable to those policies

[1:35:02] and the things that they train.

[1:35:04] at the ground level of this

[1:35:06] infrastructure, we are building

[1:35:07] policies that are grounde in

[1:35:10] the settlement agreement. But as

[1:35:12] long as we are doing the

[1:35:13] settlement agreement, we are

[1:35:15] baking those consent decree

[1:35:17] additional reforms into those.

[1:35:22] in the kind of examples that I'm

[1:35:25] going to give you are working in

[1:35:28] the frame. That we're creating

[1:35:42] are compliant with both. So I'm

[1:35:47] going to start with my slide. In

[1:36:20] the consent decree, it required

[1:36:23] more of the settlement agreement

[1:36:24] and required that officers not

[1:36:26] only not consider race and

[1:36:29] national origin in their

[1:36:34] policing decisionsut also --

[1:36:42] unless there are descriptor of a

[1:36:44] suspect and there is additional

[1:36:46] identifying information. So

[1:36:48] that's one example. Use of force

[1:36:51] policies are actually a number

[1:36:52] of things from the consent

[1:36:54] decree that we added on to the

[1:36:55] use oforce policies. And in

[1:36:58] fact, while we were negotiating

[1:37:00] the consent decree, as we were

[1:37:03] negotiating things along, we

[1:37:05] were starting to incorporate

[1:37:06] some of these higher standards

[1:37:07] into our policy work under the

[1:37:09] settlement agreement anyways. We

[1:37:11] don't have a lot of situations

[1:37:13] between the two agreements that

[1:37:15] conflict because as we were

[1:37:16] negotiating the doj consent

[1:37:21] decree,e were very mindful. We

[1:37:24] wanted to be consistent in what

[1:37:27] actually saw between the two,

[1:37:28] the provisions that the

[1:37:31] department of justice wanted

[1:37:33] were in many, many respects

[1:37:35] exactly identical to what the

[1:37:38] mdhr wanted. I think because

[1:37:40] both of them saw some of the

[1:37:42] same things and one of tm had

[1:37:45] federal jurisdiction and the

[1:37:46] other had state jurisdiction,

[1:37:47] the reforms were connsconsisten

[1:37:52] let's say that. We had a lot of

[1:37:54] the same ground. There was just

[1:37:56] not a lot of conflict because we

[1:37:58] as the city's negotiators me

[1:38:00] sure that we were not going to

[1:38:06] wind up with -- in use of force,

[1:38:12] several things have bn --

[1:38:15] limitations on use of chemical

[1:38:16] spray of people in the car. --

[1:38:43] we've -- flr

[1:39:25] -- after review by either

[1:39:28] higher level supervisors or

[1:39:28] review body. Then body worn

[1:39:34] camera. Another policy that we

[1:39:35] had open in order to do the work

[1:39:40] for the mdhr agreement and add

[1:39:43] from the consent decree that

[1:39:44] there is a self-reporting

[1:39:48] requirement now.

[1:40:17] [ please stand by ]

[1:52:23] if you could speak to the mpd

[1:52:29] limitations of hours worked,

[1:52:30] this is the last slide that

[1:52:31] you gave us the update on

[1:52:33] today.

[1:52:33] is the new limitation on hours

[1:52:34] worked, and I know you named a

[1:52:36] couple of numbers, the 16

[1:52:38] hours in a day or in a 24-hour

[1:52:41] period, and there was a second

[1:52:42] one, I can't remember, but is

[1:52:44] this consistent with a

[1:52:46] previous policy on limitation

[1:52:48] of hours worked?

[1:52:49] is it the same number of hours

[1:52:50] or has anything changed that

[1:52:52] you can tell -- that you might

[1:52:53] be able to tell us about?

[1:53:00] » it is consistent.

[1:53:02] my recollection is that it is

[1:53:03] consistent with what the

[1:53:05] settlement agreement required

[1:53:05] as well.

[1:53:06] I can't tell you as I stand

[1:53:09] here whether there were slight

[1:53:10] differences between the

[1:53:11] settlement agreement and the

[1:53:12] consent decree, but it is -- I

[1:53:16] believe it's the same hour

[1:53:17] threshold that was articulated

[1:53:19] in the settlement agreement.

[1:53:20] so, it is now incorporated in

[1:53:23] that policy.

[1:53:24] I also can't tell you if that

[1:53:25] policy right now is in draft

[1:53:27] or if it's been adopted.

[1:53:31] and I could follow up with you

[1:53:32] on that.

[1:53:34] but it's 16 hours per 24-hour

[1:53:36] day and 74 hours per week.

[1:53:39] » sounds good.

[1:53:39] thank you very much.

[1:53:40] th's all.

[1:53:44] » council member shaffer.

[1:53:47] first of all, thank you for

[1:53:48] this overview, with broad

[1:53:52] strokes, to kind of narrow it

[1:53:53] down with each of the

[1:53:54] categories, I really

[1:53:55] appreciated your mhod of

[1:53:56] presentation.

[1:53:56] I would like to ask the

[1:53:57] question around, you know,

[1:53:59] have we determined or tught

[1:54:01] about the financial impact of

[1:54:03] some of these directions that

[1:54:06] we are earking on and have

[1:54:13] we ld out a framework for

[1:54:15] 2027 -- or 2027, yeah, 40

[1:54:17] hours times x number of

[1:54:19] employees of additional

[1:54:20] training is going to land in

[1:54:21] april '27, we need to consider

[1:54:23] overtime budget for that.

[1:54:25] can you speak a little bit to

[1:54:27] how we -- how we are

[1:54:30] monitoring where our

[1:54:31] investments are landing so

[1:54:32] that we can better plan for

[1:54:35] them and tell the story, if it

[1:54:36] is related to ourvertime,

[1:54:39] I'm not saying it necessarily

[1:54:40] is, but I think we -- I keep

[1:54:42] hearing abo all the various

[1:54:45] high levels of training that

[1:54:46] we're really tryingo

[1:54:48] implement, which are really

[1:54:49] important, but I haven't heard

[1:54:51] anything about budget or

[1:54:52] fiscal impact.

[1:54:57] » chair, counc member, I'm

[1:55:01] not the best person to ask the

[1:55:03] budgetary questions.

[1:55:04] what I can say, the particular

[1:55:05] training that I was talking

[1:55:06] about is training for

[1:55:08] inveigators in the office of

[1:55:09] police conduct review, which

[1:55:11] is in civil rigs, and

[1:55:14] internal affairs.

[1:55:15] I don't know how much, you

[1:55:17] know, overtime those folks

[1:55:20] would normally incur as a

[1:55:21] normal course, and I think for

[1:55:23] this kind of training, it's

[1:55:25] really a very finite and small

[1:55:27] group, and the training would

[1:55:29] be incorporated into their,

[1:55:30] you know, regular work

[1:55:32] expectations.

[1:55:34] so this training itself would

[1:55:36] not --

[1:55:37] » maybe not this one, but

[1:55:38] more o a cumulative impact as

[1:55:40] we look back.

[1:55:41] I just think that piece of the

[1:55:43] story needs to be told in our

[1:55:45] overtime if it is, in fact,

[1:55:47] affecting that.

[1:55:47] and I just have no visibility

[1:55:49] on that.

[1:55:50] heading into the budget

[1:55:51] season.

[1:55:51] and I think it's really

[1:55:53] important that,.

[1:56:00] in case it is.

[1:56:01] and when you have a work plan,

[1:56:02] it doesn't just come for free,

[1:56:04] ght, we've got the alifa

[1:56:07] dollar amount, that's known

[1:56:08] but beyond that I feel like I

[1:56:10] don't have any handle on what

[1:56:11] that is costing us last year,

[1:56:12] this year, the next ten years,

[1:56:17] and I'm just wondering when

[1:56:19] that's coming.

[1:56:20] » chair whiting, council

[1:56:22] member, certainly -- I mean,

[1:56:23] you're absolutely right that

[1:56:25] the ttlement agreement

[1:56:26] requires a huge amount of

[1:56:28] training for officers and,

[1:56:30] frankly, I don't know how else

[1:56:32] we could do this police reform

[1:56:34] if not for the training.

[1:56:38] you know, we can develop and

[1:56:40] we do develop really awesome

[1:56:41] policies but ifhe officers

[1:56:43] don't know what they say and

[1:56:45] practice them, whichs really

[1:56:47] what happens in training, and

[1:56:51] forgive me, because I don't

[1:56:53] know that we've had that many

[1:56:55] conversations about settlement

[1:56:56] agreement consent decree, but

[1:56:56] one of the kind of, for the

[1:57:01] settlement agreement, and the

[1:57:03] consent decree, there's this

[1:57:03] really cool, in my view,

[1:57:06] emphasis on adult training

[1:57:07] techniques.

[1:57:08] at are really, you know,

[1:57:10] everybody who instructs for

[1:57:13] mpd training has to themsels

[1:57:14] go through a train the tripper

[1:57:18] exercise training in order to

[1:57:20] learn how t teach using adult

[1:57:22] learning techniques.

[1:57:28] and these are verycenario

[1:57:30] based, sometimes they're

[1:57:32] literally physically running

[1:57:33] outside.

[1:57:34] that kind of training is the

[1:57:35] kind of training that, really,

[1:57:38] police reform advocates really

[1:57:40] are stressing because this is

[1:57:41] the way that we change

[1:57:43] culture, this is the way we

[1:57:45] make muscle memory so that

[1:57:47] when officers get in

[1:57:50] ecarious situations, it's

[1:57:54] natural to reactn the right

[1:57:55] way.

[1:57:55] so the training, it's a

[1:57:59] huge -- yes, it's a huge

[1:58:01] investment and it's, in my

[1:58:02] view, absolutely needed.

[1:58:04] what the exact budgetary

[1:58:06] impact and how that's being

[1:58:08] tracked I think is really a

[1:58:11] budget office question.

[1:58:12] » well, I've asked about it

[1:58:14] several different places and

[1:58:15] seem to not be able to get an

[1:58:17] answer.

[1:58:17] and I absolutely agree with

[1:58:18] you that training is key to

[1:58:20] seeing chae, right?

[1:58:23] but also with us being the

[1:58:24] stewards of -- a I know I'm

[1:58:25] not speaking to the right

[1:58:26] person here, but for us being

[1:58:28] the stewards of the budget,

[1:58:29] for us not to have that

[1:58:31] information is really -- is

[1:58:34] really amiss in my mind.

[1:58:37] as we tell the story that w

[1:58:38] know or we'll have to hear the

[1:58:40] story in upcoming months about

[1:58:41] what's going on in m.

[1:58:44] and, so, maybe we can speak

[1:58:48] off-line and I can tell you

[1:58:49] the places I've checked and I

[1:58:50] haven't been able to get

[1:58:51] answers so I need some more

[1:58:53] direction.

[1:58:54] » council member shaffer, if

[1:58:56] I may, too, feel exactly the

[1:58:58] so we were in these quarterly

[1:59:00] meetings that I'm going to

[1:59:01] speak to on this next item, in

[1:59:03] conversation with ocs and

[1:59:05] other folks, we are going to

[1:59:06] have that opportunity that

[1:59:08] folks from the budget office

[1:59:09] and those related to

[1:59:11] settlement agreement, consent

[1:59:12] decree items are going to be

[1:59:13] present and there for

[1:59:14] questions.

[1:59:14] so hopefully I think that will

[1:59:16] be an avenue or venue to

[1:59:18] answer those questions.

[1:59:19] » my only final point to

[1:59:21] make, whenever you start on a

[1:59:22] journey, you have to

[1:59:23] understand where you're going.

[1:59:27] and knowing that budget piece

[1:59:28] would be a huge help in

[1:59:29] knowing where we're going.

[1:59:35] » thank you.

[1:59:36] council member chavez.

[1:59:37] » thank you, chair whiting.

[1:59:38] I guess my question for the

[1:59:41] attorney's office, the recent

[1:59:44] report shows that they're not

[1:59:45] meeting their goal I

[1:59:47] settlement agreement, which is

[1:59:48] going to add more expense for

[1:59:49] the city because we're not

[1:59:50] meeting the goals and it's

[1:59:52] making us take longer time in

[1:59:53] the settlement agreement.

[1:59:54] iuess my question is, what

[1:59:56] recourse does the city council

[1:59:58] have to ensure that there is

[1:59:59] compliance with the settlement

[2:00:00] agreement?

[2:00:01] and, two -- yeah, I guess I'll

[2:00:03] start there.

[2:00:06] » chair whiting, council

[2:00:09] member, the council doesn't

[2:00:11] di the administration.

[2:00:14] obviously.

[2:00:14] you know, we he reporting

[2:00:16] tools and I think that that

[2:00:17] is, you know, a really

[2:00:20] important accountability item.

[2:00:21] you know, as I mentioned

[2:00:22] before, the ordinance tt

[2:00:26] council president payne

[2:00:29] introduced and will be coming

[2:00:31] soon.

[2:00:31] so you know, the council's

[2:00:34] tool oftentimes is in

[2:00:37] informion and in making

[2:00:40] information publicly available

[2:00:42] and available in committee

[2:00:43] meetings and committee

[2:00:44] hearings and heari those

[2:00:47] reports and, you know, you're

[2:00:49] having alifa come so you have

[2:00:51] a really good handle on what

[2:00:53] our independent monit, and

[2:00:55] remember, they are -- I mean,

[2:00:56] they don't work for us, we

[2:00:59] work -- which is sort of a

[2:01:01] strange situation that we're

[2:01:02] paying for them but they are

[2:01:04] really our overseers in this

[2:01:05] work and they are the ones

[2:01:06] with the expertise and are

[2:01:09] really gauging our

[2:01:11] accountability.

[2:01:12] so, you know, we are paying

[2:01:14] them.

[2:01:15] 's a catch rate of $1.5

[2:01:20] llion, but they are really

[2:01:21] the accountability, as well as

[2:01:22] the minnesota department of

[2:01:23] human rights and ultimately

[2:01:23] the court.

[2:01:25] » thank you.

[2:01:30] » council member warren.

[2:01:32] » I just have a brief

[2:01:33] question.

[2:01:34] I was listening to you in your

[2:01:35] presentation and you were

[2:01:35] talking about howhere were

[2:01:38] alternate means and methods

[2:01:40] for individuals to report

[2:01:43] internal affairs complaints,

[2:01:44] you know, and I was just

[2:01:46] wondering with the current

[2:01:48] situation that happened with

[2:01:51] our previous police chiefs,

[2:01:52] why those alternate means were

[2:01:53] not utilized and is it

[2:01:55] something that people are

[2:01:56] going to be made consciously

[2:01:58] aware of as we're moving

[2:02:01] around administration in

[2:02:04] multiple different departments

[2:02:05] around public safety in the

[2:02:06] city that people will have

[2:02:07] these alternate means to be --

[2:02:11] to really feel supported,

[2:02:15] rit, in their role so that

[2:02:16] they know and understand that

[2:02:17] if I do not feel safe and

[2:02:19] trusted in sharing this

[2:02:21] information or I'mn fear of

[2:02:23] some type of retaliation that

[2:02:25] these things will be readily

[2:02:26] made available and that

[2:02:28] they're actively working to

[2:02:31] support individuals and create

[2:02:33] a better climate and culture

[2:02:34] for our public safety

[2:02:37] divisions as it stands

[2:02:38] currently?

[2:02:39] » chair whiting, council

[2:02:40] member, so, tre are actually

[2:02:42] multiple multiple ways to

[2:02:45] ise concerns, whether it be

[2:02:47] through the internal affairs

[2:02:48] department, the office of

[2:02:50] police conduct review has

[2:02:53] reporting portals thatre on

[2:02:55] the web, human resources

[2:02:58] receives reports, the

[2:02:59] officer -- sorry -- officer --

[2:03:02] the office of cmunity safety

[2:03:03] receives reports, and the

[2:03:05] ethics line actually is, you

[2:03:06] know, we oftentimes get it

[2:03:09] reports through the ethics

[2:03:10] line that are not actually

[2:03:12] ethics complaints but there

[2:03:14] are multiple different ways to

[2:03:16] get a concern to the city.

[2:03:17] » and are those often

[2:03:21] responded to and people are

[2:03:22] adhering to them like acting

[2:03:25] in some immediacy around the

[2:03:27] investigatioof those things?

[2:03:29] » chair whiting, council

[2:03:31] member, yes.

[2:03:32] there are processes, there are

[2:03:34] folks who are assigned to all

[2:03:35] of those things and processes

[2:03:38] in place for intake and review

[2:03:42] of -- in each different

[2:03:43] methodology.

[2:03:43] » really?

[2:03:44] » yes.

[2:03:44] » a those have been in

[2:03:45] place for quite some time?

[2:03:48] » yes.

[2:03:49] » okay.

[2:03:50] I'm just wondering, just based

[2:03:53] on previou experiences that

[2:03:54] we've just had, and I'm not

[2:03:56] naming any names or any

[2:03:58] specific situation, but we

[2:04:00] know the elephant in the room,

[2:04:01] so I just want to make sure

[2:04:03] that those things are like

[2:04:05] clear so that people

[2:04:07] understand because I know that

[2:04:08] there were some issues with

[2:04:11] internal affairs officers

[2:04:13] being removed and different

[2:04:15] things like that and stuff not

[2:04:17] getting done and people not

[2:04:19] getting the resolve or the

[2:04:20] resolution that they needed

[2:04:22] around a number of different

[2:04:23] issues.

[2:04:24] I just really want us to be

[2:04:26] able to work bette and have a

[2:04:29] better climate and culture

[2:04:31] around our public safety

[2:04:34] because what our interoffice

[2:04:36] customer service and

[2:04:38] communication looks like

[2:04:40] reflects on how we respond to

[2:04:42] the constituents in the city

[2:04:44] abroad, right?

[2:04:45] and, so, if that's clean and

[2:04:48] our house islean, then we

[2:04:50] can have conversations with

[2:04:52] other people about whatheir

[2:04:53] house and behaviors should

[2:04:54] look like.

[2:04:56] so I just really want --

[2:04:58] that's huge to me, like,

[2:05:00] really really big.

[2:05:02] and ensuring that we're doing

[2:05:06] deep-rooted investigations

[2:05:07] about who we let into our

[2:05:08] house, right?

[2:05:10] because of the culture and the

[2:05:12] climate that we want to hold

[2:05:13] around our public safety and

[2:05:15] what that accountability looks

[2:05:16] like.

[2:05:19] so if there's smear

[2:05:20] campaigns -- and I know

[2:05:21] there's going to be haters in

[2:05:23] the world because there just

[2:05:24] is, okay -- but if there are

[2:05:26] things that are being said

[2:05:28] about conduct and what have

[2:05:29] you that there are deep-dive,

[2:05:35] very serious investigations

[2:05:35] beg done because we don't

[2:05:37] want other people's garbage.

[2:05:38] we just don't.

[2:05:39] so, I just want to make sure

[2:05:42] that there are methods, means,

[2:05:44] we're putng those things in

[2:05:45] place and you're saying that

[2:05:46] that's a thing.

[2:05:48] so I'm gone kdwb nah rest and

[2:05:51] assured that you're saying

[2:05:52] that's a thing, city attorney.

[2:05:53] the end.

[2:05:55] » thank you, council member.

[2:05:58] last question here, honestly,

[2:06:00] a little bit of maybe a

[2:06:01] refresher for me, and I think

[2:06:02] it's helpf for the body and

[2:06:03] those that are watching, if

[2:06:05] you could kind of just maybe

[2:06:07] talk broadly about the areas

[2:06:08] of work, bodies of work that

[2:06:11] are kind of outside of the

[2:06:12] settlement agreement.

[2:06:13] so things that d stand alone

[2:06:15] that are larger, in those

[2:06:18] laer buckets in the consent

[2:06:19] decree.

[2:06:19] » chair whiting, council

[2:06:22] members, so, the jurisdiction

[2:06:25] of the department of justice

[2:06:29] was significantly -- I mean,

[2:06:30] it's federal, right?

[2:06:31] they he broader jurisdiction

[2:06:33] than the state did and their

[2:06:35] vestigation was a little bit

[2:06:36] more wide ranging than mdhr's.

[2:06:41] so, the specific sections tha

[2:06:45] are in the consent decree tha

[2:06:47] are notn the settlement

[2:06:48] agreemen and I'm not going

[2:06:49] to get all of them because

[2:06:50] you're asking me off the top

[2:06:52] of my head, so let's

[2:06:54] remember -- see how well I

[2:06:56] remember what I negotiad.

[2:06:58] there's a section on

[2:07:02] addressing individuals with

[2:07:03] mental health challges that

[2:07:06] is -- you know, there's

[2:07:08] literally one paragraph in the

[2:07:09] settlement agreent about

[2:07:10] having a behavioral response.

[2:07:14] that's it.

[2:07:15] there's a whole really robust

[2:07:18] seion in the consent decree

[2:07:19] reforms on that.

[2:07:20] there's a robust section in

[2:07:22] the consent decree reforms on

[2:07:24] first amendment activity.

[2:07:27] you know, how policing happens

[2:07:30] with protests and those sorts

[2:07:32] of things.

[2:07:33] so that's unique.

[2:07:35] there is a section on

[2:07:36] secondary employment, what we

[2:07:37] think of as off-duty, some of

[2:07:41] which is kind of in pieces in

[2:07:43] the settlemen agreement but

[2:07:45] is its own standalone in the

[2:07:47] consent decree.

[2:07:50] those are the things that come

[2:07:52] to mind.

[2:07:53] there may be a couple of other

[2:07:55] ones, but those are really the

[2:07:57] significant ones.

[2:07:57] » perfect.

[2:07:59] thank you.

[2:08:02] youth engagement.

[2:08:03] » oh, yes, interactions wh

[2:08:05] youth.

[2:08:05] thank you.

[2:08:06] that's another one.

[2:08:06] » yeah, perfect.

[2:08:07] » and, again, there are a

[2:08:09] cole of pieces of that in

[2:08:10] the settlement agreement, but

[2:08:11] in terms of the standalone.

[2:08:15] see, council president knows

[2:08:16] what I negotiated better than

[2:08:17] what I did.

[2:08:18] sorry for the cold call,

[2:08:19] bringing you back to law

[2:08:21] school.

[2:08:21] with that, colleagues, seeing

[2:08:23] no further discussion here, I

[2:08:26] will ask the clerks to file

[2:08:28] that presentation.

[2:08:30] and rort.

[2:08:32] lastly, our last item here --

[2:08:35] and thank you, city attorney

[2:08:36] anderson.

[2:08:37] moving to subcommitteetem

[2:08:39] number 7, our last itemas

[2:08:41] continued from the previs

[2:08:43] meeting on july 14th.

[2:08:45] at that meeting we received a

[2:08:47] presentationrom elefa and

[2:08:49] this report covered the end of

[2:08:50] 2025, going into 2026.

[2:08:53] the action today is simply

[2:08:54] just to receive and file -- I

[2:08:56] guess not even receive but to

[2:08:58] file that elefa presentation.

[2:09:00] wanted to note here before we

[2:09:02] move forward on that.

[2:09:03] at that previous meeting, I

[2:09:04] know it was clear that many of

[2:09:05] my colleagues and myself had

[2:09:06] serious concerns about the

[2:09:08] questions and findings in

[2:09:11] elefa's most recent report.

[2:09:13] and concerns which I shared.

[2:09:16] I've express mr.ed to many

[2:09:17] of my colleagues aesire to

[2:09:20] reporting from mpd ocs, city

[2:09:23] attorney's office, opcr, I.t.,

[2:09:26] budgetary updates, and other

[2:09:29] departments as relevant, using

[2:09:32] this subcommittee as a

[2:09:33] mechanism to receive

[2:09:35] continuous quarterly

[2:09:36] results -- sorry -- quarterly

[2:09:38] updates on the city's progress

[2:09:40] towards meeting its

[2:09:41] commitments under the

[2:09:41] settlement agreement and

[2:09:43] consent decree.

[2:09:45] mpd currently holds weekly

[2:09:49] internal reform stat meetings

[2:09:50] where key stakeholders across

[2:09:51] the enterprise meet to walk

[2:09:53] through the status and

[2:09:54] progress of reforms related to

[2:09:56] the consent decree and

[2:09:57] settlement agreement.

[2:09:58] our goal here is to produce

[2:10:00] similar meetings for council,

[2:10:03] for that kind of oversight

[2:10:04] measure.

[2:10:05] my office has been in

[2:10:06] communication with mpd and ocs

[2:10:09] and every other city

[2:10:10] department which this work

[2:10:12] touches through the

[2:10:13] subcommittee and they've

[2:10:14] agreed to come before council

[2:10:17] to present our own reform

[2:10:20] stat-like meetings directly to

[2:10:21] th body, making themselves

[2:10:23] available to council members

[2:10:25] to answer questions or

[2:10:26] concerns surrounding the

[2:10:27] city's progress, both to

[2:10:28] include concerns raised by the

[2:10:31] semi-annual reports that elefa

[2:10:34] will be presenting in front of

[2:10:35] this body on a semi-annual

[2:10:37] basis as well.

[2:10:37] so the first of these

[2:10:39] presentaons will occur

[2:10:41] sometime here in august,

[2:10:44] depending on individual's

[2:10:46] schedules, both council 8

[2:10:48] colleagues' schedules and

[2:10:49] schedules of key stakeholders.

[2:10:51] so looking forward to a time

[2:10:53] here in august.

[2:10:54] did I say september?

[2:10:56] august.

[2:11:01] followed by presentations

[2:11:04] quarterl november, february,

[2:11:06] and may of this year and then

[2:11:07] next year as well.

[2:11:09] and so I'm very excited to

[2:11:09] move forward onhis.

[2:11:10] and want to thank many of my

[2:11:11] colleagues here for the

[2:11:14] collaboration and city half

[2:11:16] for oanizing this -- city

[2:11:19] heavy for organizing this.

[2:11:23] it looks like council member

[2:11:24] shaffer has a question.

[2:11:25] » this is top of my mind

[2:11:27] because I toured yesterday and

[2:11:28] I know I mentioned that to

[2:11:30] you, council member, as well.

[2:11:31] it was very clear when elefa

[2:11:34] spoke to us that we were

[2:11:35] responsible in providing a new

[2:11:36] training facility or an

[2:11:37] appropriate training facility.

[2:11:38] we heard them clearly that

[2:11:40] day in the presentation.

[2:11:41] and I had to leave early so I

[2:11:42] did not hav a chance to ask

[2:11:44] any further questions.

[2:11:45] but I guess I would like to

[2:11:47] know how we as a council are

[2:11:49] going to have an opportunity

[2:11:50] to dialogue about that fact

[2:11:52] because I agree with council

[2:11:54] member chavez that we are on a

[2:11:56] clock with elefa, that we have

[2:11:59] these imptant deadlines that

[2:12:01] we need to meet, and if that

[2:12:02] is one that they are clearly

[2:12:03] telling us, I guess I want to

[2:12:05] have a frank discussion, an

[2:12:07] open discussion, because I

[2:12:09] really want to move this work

[2:12:11] forte.

[2:12:12] like, how are we going to do

[2:12:13] that?

[2:12:14] if we voted down the land, you

[2:12:16] know, if we didn't like tt

[2:12:17] idea, then what ideas do we

[2:12:19] have that we can bring to the

[2:12:20] table?

[2:12:21] an I guess I'm asking when we

[2:12:22] can have an opportunity to

[2:12:24] dialogue about that?

[2:12:25] » yeah.

[2:12:25] inhinking about t I know

[2:12:26] we've kind of discussed this,

[2:12:29] trying to figure out the best

[2:12:31] venue to have these

[2:12:32] conversations as it relates

[2:12:34] to settlement agreement

[2:12:35] reforms and the compliance

[2:12:36] measures for that, I think

[2:12:38] particularly maybe to this

[2:12:43] briefings or policy briefings

[2:12:44] that we do in smaller group

[2:12:45] settings so we can have those

[2:12:46] larger discussions, but also I

[2:12:48] think it is something that can

[2:12:51] meetings as well.quarterly

[2:12:52] so the hope is that all of our

[2:12:55] questions -- a my kind of

[2:12:56] hope for these meetings is

[2:12:57] that all 13 of us can have a

[2:12:59] level of expertise on

[2:13:00] everything that is goi

[2:13:02] through the reform process

[2:13:04] broadly.

[2:13:05] so I think anything gero

[2:13:08] coent decree settlement

[2:13:09] agreement reform progress I

[2:13:10] think is open and valuableor

[2:13:13] conversations concerning

[2:13:14] those.

[2:13:14] » okay, thank you.

[2:13:15] » of course.

[2:13:16] council mb chavez.

[2:13:17] » thank you, chair whiting.

[2:13:18] it would be good to get a

[2:13:19] better explanation from elefa

[2:13:21] because that's not exactly how

[2:13:23] I interpreted what was said.

[2:13:24] I hope moving forwa in these

[2:13:26] conversations there's a report

[2:13:26] back on the internalffairs

[2:13:30] backlog in the consent

[2:13:32] decree -- no, in the

[2:13:33] settlement agreent, that is

[2:13:34] a big issue.

[2:13:36] there's an issue with the

[2:13:37] early intervention system I

[2:13:38] the settlement agreement

[2:13:39] requirement.

[2:13:39] there's an issue with uneven

[2:13:42] progress on policy and

[2:13:43] training development that's

[2:13:43] been flagged across multiple

[2:13:45] reports now.

[2:13:47] mdhr said the city remains far

[2:13:50] from transformational change.

[2:13:52] so there's a lot more than

[2:13:53] just this safety center.

[2:13:56] so wanted to add more context.

[2:13:58] » yup, thank you, council

[2:14:00] member.

[2:14:00] seeing no further discussions

[2:14:01] here, I will ask the clerk to

[2:14:04] again file that presentation.

[2:14:06] perfect.

[2:14:06] and with that, I will pass it

[2:14:10] over to chair.

[2:14:12] » thank you, council member

[2:14:15] whiting.

[2:14:15] seeing no further discussion,

[2:14:18] no further business before us,

[2:14:19] with no objtion, I will

[2:14:21] declare this meeting

[2:14:22] adjourned.

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