[0:10] Yeah, >> that was that was the downfall.

[0:13] Otherwise, it was an awesome weekend. >> You had to quit early at Brent.

[0:20] » Yes. Yeah, that's what we're visiting about. It's the raining stand

[0:28] out.

[0:54] It's going to go over a

[1:35] Okay. Call the meeting to order. Ellie, you want to take roll call, please?

[1:40] » Dave >> here.

[1:41] » Brian >> here.

[1:42] » Lori >> here.

[1:43] » Denny >> here.

[1:49] » Moving of the agenda. We have a motion to approve the agenda

[1:53] as presented. >> Go ahead. So move second it.

[1:58] » All those in favor signify with I. >> I.

[2:01] » I. >> Motion carries insurance update. Adam

[2:06] right. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've got a quote right in

[2:09] front of you. Uh rates went down again this year.

[2:13] » Highlight all the important spots to look at. It's double-sided. So page one

[2:18] is a front page. Page two is right behind that. Page three it showed the

[2:22] decrease of 4.69%. Main reason why is page four

[2:29] the overall base rating and risk level were lower. The base rating this year.3%

[2:36] it was down from 4% in 2025. That's the size of the pool of each plan

[2:42] or the pool size of each plan risk level. uh the expected medical claims

[2:48] from the risk for that group is what that's categor categorized as that's

[2:52] down 7.41%. That was a big factor in the total

[2:57] decrease of 4.69. New premium for a family is 1,96169

[3:06] is down from last year 2058. Uh it's $924.92 for a single down from 9

[3:16] $970.38 in 2025. We have one single contract and

[3:20] six family contracts. Overall new premium starting in October

[3:26] $12,695. Uh last year that total premium

[3:32] this year till the renewal was 13,31940. But it's about a $7,500 year service for

[3:39] all exact same plan. Um, as I do all the time, I ran a ACA quote. We were to

[3:46] move, got to go to a portable care act group plan quote. Um, the closest I

[3:51] could get is a high deductible silver plan. The deductible would be 6,250 for

[3:58] a single contract and 12,500 for a family. Uh right now it's 2,000 single,

[4:04] 4,000 for a family. So it's a heck of a lot higher

[4:09] deductibles um and out of pocket maxes and it costs more. That premium is

[4:14] $13,2360. It's not in there. I have the quote here

[4:18] though if you would like to see it. Uh it's essentially about $4,000 more for a

[4:24] worse benefit coverage claim. I would say continue on with the same

[4:29] one, renewing October one. Delta Dental, again, I didn't print off

[4:34] all all that. I have a copy here if anybody wants to see it. The dental

[4:38] insurance, uh, that's pretty much stayed exactly the same. Rates went up just a

[4:43] little bit for adults 21 years and older. Children just a little bit, which

[4:48] are 0 to 20. Last year's premium was 664.58.

[4:53] This year it's 669.40. So, that's almost identical. The extra

[4:58] benefits, which is the life, accidental death, and dismemberment, short-term

[5:03] disability rates, that all stayed the same. Those don't change. They're

[5:06] guaranteed to 2029.

[5:12] » Questions? Sure. Adam on insurance. >> I had one question and it's not nec

[5:19] necessarily anything to do with our plan, but why

[5:22] » why is dental insurance why doesn't it pay very much

[5:29] » uh through an appointment? >> You know what I mean? Because you you

[5:31] can have a a root canal and it'll cost you $1,500

[5:36] over and above what the insurance will pay. What I mean, you pay premiums for

[5:41] it, but Right. What's the What's the deal with dental insurance?

[5:45] » Employer plans are typically a lot better. Typically, the out or the

[5:48] benefit amount they'll pay back per year is anywhere from 1,500 to 2,000. A lot

[5:53] of my clients I work with on the individual basis when they're on

[5:56] Medicare, um, dental insurance is not very good. The benefit max will pay back

[6:01] in a year is $1,000. So, a typical plan I'll see right now on Medicare, it's

[6:06] like $40 a month. 40 time 12, you're 480 in just to have the premium.

[6:12] uh you get two teeth cleanings a year which is covered. Um you know you can

[6:16] check with your local dentist office to see what it costs to have your two

[6:20] cleanings that a year but typically it's less than that premium.

[6:23] So then if you get root canals, cavities, anything else, you got a $100

[6:27] deductible you got to meet. So now you're 480 plus 100. You're 580 in just

[6:32] to get $1,000 back. About nine out of 10 of my clients don't buy the dental

[6:36] insurance on Medicare. Uh, I compare that to my wife's plan at at her school

[6:42] district. Um, hers is a $2,000 benefit and the school pays for hers. So, she's

[6:49] on it and it didn't matter if we had one child or all of us. We all got on the

[6:54] same plan. Uh, she pays just a little extra for hers. That's why I used to

[6:58] never have my own dental insurance until we were able to jump on our employer.

[7:02] So, it's it's pretty uncommon to see it on an individual basis. typically when

[7:06] it's when it's allocated towards an employer plan, the benefit maxes are

[7:10] quite a bit better. >> But a lot of the time too, they look at

[7:14] that, they don't want people not having dental insurance and then uh I got a

[7:19] root canal coming up and so I'm going to go buy it. Even if you tried to buy it,

[7:22] then there's a waiting period. Typically, it's about 12 months, but

[7:26] they want you to pay that premium for a while before you start getting any kind

[7:30] of benefits. But the benefits aren't the greatest when you're buying it on an

[7:33] individual. I just curious what your thoughts were.

[7:37] I I've had dental insurance for a long

[7:41] time, but now my wife carries it and it doesn't pay any better now than it did

[7:45] when I carried it. Okay, any other questions for Adam?

[7:55] Very good. Thank you very much. It's nice to see a rate go down instead of up

[8:00] years in a row. Yeah.

[8:04] Okay, department reports. Uh, Ethan. >> Yeah. Uh, sorry I was busy last week, so

[8:11] I didn't get around to typing one up like I usually do. Uh, couple things

[8:15] that I wanted to go over with you guys. Uh, I did get the, uh, first of the two

[8:22] traffic studies done from the sheriff's office.

[8:26] Um, I plan on asking them hopefully within the next couple of weeks to set

[8:30] that up again so we can compare what the traffic was like over the summer as

[8:34] opposed to once school starts. Um I was shocked uh just in that one week period

[8:41] and that was between se or sorry August 9th and August 15th

[8:48] um just in that 300 block of West by the church there was 2,250 vehicles that

[8:54] passed through during just that time. Uh so it was already a little more traffic

[8:59] than what I considered in the first place. Um so I'll be interested to see

[9:02] what that looks like now that school started. What was that number again,

[9:05] Ethan? >> 2,250 vehicles. And that u that accounts

[9:10] for uh vehicles coming at the uh device and also going away from it. And

[9:17] it combines those in there. Um it was a it was a several page report. Um but it

[9:23] was just to kind of give you an idea of what it shows. Um it gave like

[9:28] percentages of how many people were above the posted speed limit, how many

[9:32] were below it, uh what the average speed was. Uh the average speed during that

[9:38] week was actually uh just over 20 miles an hour. Uh so the average speed of the

[9:42] vehicles was actually below the posted speed limit of 25.

[9:46] Uh 36% of those vehicles were actually violating the speed limit. Uh but the

[9:53] average violating speed was less than five miles per hour over the posted

[9:58] speed limit. Uh so overall it's pretty good. The one outlier uh was a like 54

[10:04] miles per hour. Um I did check the time stamp on that to see if we had any

[10:08] medical calls or anything to see if it was an uh emergency vehicle. I didn't

[10:13] see anything. So either somebody really had to go to the bathroom bad. I don't

[10:16] know what was going on. But um but it does give a pretty good idea of when

[10:20] those high levels of traffic are. Uh so I'll be interested to see what this next

[10:24] one is and then maybe give us a better idea we need to adjust uh any kind of

[10:29] stop signs or anything at those intersections like we discussed.

[10:33] Um the other thing I'm getting lots of people um either online or in person or

[10:42] uh third third party uh lots of complaints and questions about ebikes

[10:48] and ecooters. Um that's kind of a hot topic right now. Um it's a buzzword so a

[10:56] lot of people are talking about it. Uh I'm a little bit torn on it. I think

[10:59] it's fantastic that we have something that's actually getting kids out and

[11:02] about and not just sitting inside the house um you know on their phones or on

[11:07] video games. However, uh these are powered machines that go a little bit

[11:14] faster than if they were just you know a kick scooter pedaling their bikes. Um so

[11:20] there is a little bit of a safety concern. Uh people are asking if they're

[11:23] going to do anything about that. Uh I've talked to Tony. I've been watching

[11:28] myself when I see a group of them out to see if they're actually stopping at the

[11:31] stop signs. Um, I've been talking with the schools uh to let them know like,

[11:36] hey, these are the expectations. Just because you don't have a driver's

[11:39] license or not driving a car doesn't mean you can't be cited uh for these

[11:43] kind of things. Uh, for the most part, we haven't had any issues. I believe it

[11:48] was just last week or the week before we had a kid run into the back of a car on

[11:52] his bike. Um, that was because he was on his phone. We found out later some

[11:56] neighbors saw him playing on his boat. So, not necessarily an ebike thing, but

[12:01] he happened to be on an ebike probably doing about close to 20 m an hour, I

[12:05] would imagine, and ran into the back of this lady's car. So, um I've told you

[12:11] guys before in reports that the state uh that uh they had that house study bill,

[12:15] it ended up dying. So, they're still considered just like any other bicycle

[12:19] or scooter. Um, as far as the state is concerned, they're allowed anywhere that

[12:24] a bike can go. Uh, what some places are doing is they left it up to the

[12:28] municipalities to draft their own ordinances that just restrict that a

[12:32] little bit. Um, with all the complaints and stuff I've been looking at, I think

[12:35] it's probably not a bad idea to look into that, see what other places are

[12:38] doing. Um, if that's something where maybe we restrict certain roads that

[12:42] these are allowed on, maybe certain times of the day. Um, because there is

[12:47] there is concerns within the public. Um, and I do agree that there there can be

[12:52] some safety concerns with that, too, because these kids are going a lot

[12:55] faster than if they were just on a normal biker scooter.

[12:59] Um, so just something for you guys to consider. Um, I can also, Emily and I

[13:04] can probably look into what other places are doing to see if we can adopt or

[13:09] draft something um that's working in other towns.

[13:14] Uh, the other thing, I've talked with Emily about this. Uh, I noticed we have

[13:18] a lot more golf carts and UTVs traveling around town, especially with gas prices

[13:24] going up. That seems to be the preferred method for a lot of people. Um, I've

[13:28] noticed when I'm doing my school patrols with people bringing their kids to

[13:32] school on these, I saw somebody holding their one-year-old on their left knee

[13:39] while going down the street in the golf cart.

[13:42] I looked it up. There actually is no state code that specifically talks about

[13:48] restraint systems in a golf cart or a UTV. It just talks about when and where

[13:52] they can be driven. It's up to the local government to decide that. Um, with it

[14:00] becoming more and more prevalent, I I would rather not see a kid get hurt on a

[14:04] golf cart or something like that. So, that's something else we're going to

[14:07] look into. We did get a response on that and it seemed a little vague. Um, uh,

[14:12] but that's also something I'm going to look into because we are seeing that

[14:15] more and more and I just I really hate to see a kid or kids get get hurt

[14:20] because, you know, they're just kind of dangling off of a golf cart or something

[14:24] like that. >> Ethan, can kids can't drive ATVs, can

[14:29] they? >> No. So,

[14:30] » but they can golf carts. >> No. So, the way this the way the state

[14:34] code if they're going to be on the road, they have to be uh licensed and they

[14:40] have to be 18. So, you can't it's not even just being 16 and having a license

[14:44] the way the state code is written on that. If they're in their own yards or

[14:48] private whatever and they can do whatever, but if they're going to be on

[14:51] the roadways like everybody else, and that is for four-wheelers, golf carts,

[14:55] all that, um they have to be licensed and they have to be at least 18

[15:01] » at that point. Some of those will go for like ebikes, the ones that look like

[15:07] little dirt bikes. Well, they really do 45 miles an hour. So, there there's a

[15:13] there's a whole size differential in with with all of

[15:17] those. My kid thought he was he he ordered something he told me was an

[15:22] ebike and I unboxed it when he was gone and it was a dirt bike and it said right

[15:26] on there off-road use only. And I was like, well, I'm sorry, buddy. They're

[15:30] not going to it. It's just too powerful. They have to be they're considered an

[15:35] ebike the the tier of an ebike has to be like

[15:40] under 750 watts I believe before but when it's just recognized as just a

[15:45] normal bicycle. When it gets past that and it's more powerful it can achieve

[15:49] those bigger speeds that's when it's no longer considered just a a bike and

[15:54] that's when you're going to start looking into restrictions on where it

[15:56] can be ridden, who can actually drive it, stuff like that. When I was riding

[15:59] dirt bikes, you had two different things. One of them had to have brake

[16:05] lights, headlights, all kind mufflers, all kinds of stuff.

[16:09] The dirt bike for off the road, it was just a big motor. And

[16:15] » yeah, for the off-road stuff, not really. But

[16:18] » but I see those on the sidewalks. >> Yeah.

[16:22] » You know, and that's not right. And I know my kids in Texas, they the

[16:29] neighborhoods are just alive with them. And some of them are thousands of

[16:33] dollars because there's some really wealthy

[16:36] people out there. And they're running old ladies down and everything else, you

[16:41] know. So that's not that's not kosher. >> So yeah, and those those would not

[16:46] qualify under what the state recognizes as a bicycle at that point. It would be

[16:50] like a a motorized bike at that point. So,

[16:52] » and then it would have to have stop lights and stuff or probably not if it's

[16:56] an off-road. >> I was going to say if it's it would have

[16:59] to um it would have to have all the equipment that you would need to ride um

[17:04] on the road just like anything else at that point is my understanding. But a

[17:08] lot a lot of what I've been Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[17:10] » Golf carts never have any of that stuff. >> And even if they do, a lot of golf carts

[17:15] that you can buy now, you can get them with turning signals, lights, all that

[17:19] stuff. But the way the state code is written, you still can't operate though,

[17:22] even if they have the equipment to do so. They're not supposed to be operated

[17:26] uh when the sun's not up. >> Oh, sure.

[17:29] » Y >> when you said golf carts licensed, is it

[17:33] the cart that's licensed or the person that needs to be

[17:36] » the person operating it has to have a bad license? It has to be at least 18

[17:40] years old.

[17:43] » Uh we discovered that too because we had some kids riding uh four-wheelers to

[17:48] school last year um that were I mean they had their license. They just didn't

[17:52] realize they assumed since they had their full license that they could do

[17:55] that. I looked into it and know you actually have 18 to

[18:00] » and those ATV vehicles have to be licensed

[18:04] » and those have to be registered and licensed through.

[18:09] » Thank you. Any questions for Ethan other than that?

[18:14] » Uh Emily, did we get anything from Dan and

[18:18] Chad? >> Dad's on vacation this week and Dan's on

[18:24] vacation. >> Okay.

[18:26] Andy's the lone man out there right now. >> What about you?

[18:30] » Um, I just have that Wednesday, October 7th, Vision Bank is going to have a

[18:35] customer appreciation day from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. and they want to block

[18:41] off the street um to the east like they do. And I told them that shouldn't be a

[18:47] problem. I would let Dan know to get them road close signs.

[18:54] What day did you say it was? >> Uh, Wednesday, October 7th from 11 to 2.

[19:02] And um, our 2013 fire truck has been sold.

[19:08] Um, actually sold it for more than we paid for it in 2013.

[19:13] And Rick is in Minnesota picking up the new fire truck today.

[19:20] » I saw him out. people out various people up looking at that truck. So the new one

[19:25] must be done. >> Yeah. Um

[19:27] » going to Georgia, right? >> Going to Georgia.

[19:31] » Yeah. And they said the next time we have a truck that's ready to be sold,

[19:35] just contact them directly because they would be interested. So

[19:41] that's all I got. >> Ellie, do you have anything?

[19:49] Uh the consent agenda, does anything need to be added or removed from the

[19:55] consent agenda?

[20:00] » I'm just going to ask apparently they did a change order that decreased the

[20:05] price of something at >> on the Yeah. Um there we got a discount

[20:10] on the playground equipment. >> Oh, sure.

[20:14] » So they did a change order for that. The development agreement with Casey's

[20:20] Brian, does that include the street going further?

[20:25] » It does. It goes all the way to the end of well where u

[20:31] » East Veterans >> Greg's property

[20:33] » really lives >> clear to the end because initially it

[20:38] they were going to stop it at the end of their property and I said, "No, no, no.

[20:42] We're not going to do that. It has to go all the way to the end because that's

[20:46] not fair to to Greg or whoever would happen to live

[20:52] in that house on the north side of the street. Plus, it gives us if that ever

[20:57] develops out there, it gives us a place to take off from. So, and they weren't I

[21:03] think it was a matter of u

[21:07] a different person >> in charge of it

[21:09] » in charge of it and they didn't understand what we were requesting

[21:13] there. So, yeah, it does. It goes all the way to the end. And so, they'll

[21:19] they'll probably be in touch with you at some point, Greg, when they get ready to

[21:24] do that and uh figure out where you want your driveway entrance and how you want

[21:29] that approach and >> Well, they're going to put a new

[21:32] driveway for >> just the entrance.

[21:36] » But it'd be nice, wouldn't it? >> Yeah.

[21:39] » So, is that project moving along? Not the not just the road, but I mean the

[21:44] whole project. >> Do we know anything more about that?

[21:47] » From everything I understand, they're going to start construction in May,

[21:52] May of next year. >> So,

[21:59] » but that could change just like last time. Of

[22:02] » course, we've been hearing that for seven years.

[22:06] Is there contingency in the paperwork that says

[22:12] when you won't be on the thing for

[22:18] contributing to that road if they don't cons start or sometime there's something

[22:23] I read in there like that rightly >> well I'm not aware of that

[22:30] » okay but I you know we haven't looked at it for years so

[22:36] I thought it said something about >> Did you are you saying if they started

[22:42] it in they don't start it in May that we would be on the

[22:46] » or if we put this agreed to put the street in

[22:51] uh and make payments on that then they have to move forward with building the

[22:58] station >> in non-war terms.

[23:02] I don't know. I don't know where I read that. But

[23:04] » I bet they don't won't do that road until after they've started the store.

[23:11] » That'd be good cuz they'll have to do all their

[23:15] » streetes and have all their equipment going in to do that. So, I would think

[23:21] the store would come first and then the road.

[23:25] » Anything about the I remember they used to want to have it for semis to fill up

[23:30] and stuff. They're not planning. >> They caught that, didn't they?

[23:33] » They are going to keep the diesel pumps, but not

[23:36] » they're not planning on >> not planning on large approach for

[23:40] semir.

[23:45] » Any other questions on that? >> No, sir.

[23:49] » So, do we have a motion to approve the consent agenda? We have to have a motion

[23:53] for that. >> I second it.

[23:57] » All those in favor signify with an I. I. Motion carries.

[24:05] Uh Rebecca, >> how are you guys? Good.

[24:10] » Good. Yourself? >> Pretty good. Um I wanted to talk about

[24:15] chickens. I know it's a sore topic in this town, but I'm not looking to poke

[24:20] anybody. Um, I have examples of how

[24:26] and in a clean way we could have chickens

[24:30] without um neighbors getting involved and being mad

[24:35] at each other and stuff. Um, so my examples are pretty much like what you

[24:43] could fill out, what the rules would be. Um, I got signatures from a whole bunch

[24:48] of people, but also in order to have chickens, I would also go around to

[24:55] every single neighbor of mine and make sure that the person who wants chickens,

[25:01] all their neighbors agree that it's okay for them to have chickens. Obviously, no

[25:05] roosters or anything like that. Um, I have examples here if you want to read

[25:12] them.

[25:17] And if it doesn't pass, it doesn't pass. It's fine.

[25:22] But um I just thought it would be nice to just have the option for like a

[25:29] limited amount of pens.

[25:40] » A question about neighbors. >> Yeah. Let's say my neighbor

[25:46] uh let's see how would I put that

[25:51] neighbor Agrees to chickens for neighbor B and then neighbor A moves to De Moine.

[26:01] Somebody else moves in there. Neighbor B has a $5,000 investment in

[26:08] fence, chicken coupe, inspections, all that stuff.

[26:12] all of a sudden then then the new neighbor a

[26:20] force you out of business >> out of business.

[26:25] » Well, out of the chickens. So, in other words, it's never static

[26:32] anymore for very long. Some people do live here forever like me, but

[26:38] where my kids live down in De Moine, you know, the the tail in the neighborhood

[26:45] is never static. You stay there for 3 years and move on to some other place.

[26:52] So, I I don't know how you would address that since you put out five, six, seven,

[26:58] $8,000 for fences and all that inspections and coups and all that kind

[27:04] of stuff. Because the kind of coups that I see that actually in these

[27:12] townships that allow it are not the kind of coups that they showed us a picture

[27:18] of. You know, it's Mhm. >> And and I look at building permits all

[27:25] the time and a shed anymore is 10 grand, you know.

[27:31] » Yeah. >> So

[27:34] 5,000 won't even, you know, it cost me 5,000 to build my garage. You can't buy

[27:38] a shed for that now. >> Well,

[27:42] » how do you handle that? >> We kind of made our own. Like we went to

[27:46] Menards and got all the uh supplies to do it. We just put it together and it's

[27:52] a lot cheaper that way. >> I get that. Not everybody can do that.

[27:56] » I know >> I can.

[27:58] It's 5% of the people that can build their own stuff. And then

[28:04] when we spent nine months on this before, we saw all kinds of examples and

[28:11] like in even in bigger cities they allow it in

[28:16] certain areas and it's where

[28:21] typically people are further apart and um

[28:27] but it allowed like 200 lb of waste,

[28:35] you know, whatever the chickens produce for them to eat.

[28:39] » Uh, so what I've always done whenever I had chickens was

[28:45] I used hay as their bedding, right? And then before winter, I spread it all

[28:51] throughout my lawn. And by that time, it's all dry and it doesn't smell like

[28:55] anything. And um then over the winter it breaks

[29:00] down and then it's like healthy for my lawn.

[29:04] Um >> I worked in an aven environment when I

[29:07] was in high school >> and it never doesn't stink.

[29:11] » It was a turkey it was a turkey place. Same thing.

[29:15] » Well, if you don't air out your uh poop well enough, then it doesn't it's going

[29:19] to build up stink. It's just the moisture.

[29:22] » It has a lot of ammonia in it. >> Huh? Chicken poop has a lot of ammonia,

[29:28] which is very >> Rebecca, can I ask a question? Do you

[29:32] currently have chickens? >> Yeah.

[29:35] » So, you know you're in violation of city code?

[29:38] » I am. >> Okay. And

[29:42] do you know how it was reported to us that you had chickens?

[29:46] » Oh, >> because you were disposing of your your

[29:51] chicken manure on city property. No, I wasn't.

[29:56] » Well, somewhere along the way, we have pictures of that.

[30:00] » Where? >> In the library.

[30:03] » On the library. >> Library back.

[30:08] » Our guys mowing had pictures of it. That's the only reason that

[30:14] » back there by chickens. I don't know >> because I always keep on my property.

[30:19] So, so my point with this is that when we went through this before, there were

[30:25] people that had chickens in town and then it became an issue where the

[30:31] neighbors didn't want the chickens right there. They offered to help move and the

[30:38] person that had the chickens said, "No, I'm not going to do that." And so then

[30:43] there was a complaint filed with this this body, the co the council, and we

[30:49] had to do something about it. And so

[30:56] » and this law has been on the books. >> It's kind of like if if I guess I I can

[31:01] drive 80 miles an hour in a 55 mph speed zone till I get caught, but when I get

[31:06] caught, then it's then I have to pay the price. And I'm not I don't know if

[31:11] that's equating that to the same, but

[31:17] um there's probably as I mean if if we wanted to we could probably go out and

[31:23] get as many signatures of people that don't want chickens in town.

[31:28] And um so we we have to find a happy medium here and our happy medium is to

[31:36] to just not allow it. I guess at this point now I

[31:42] I've spoke my piece. If somebody else has an opinion, please talk. I

[31:47] » No, I I agree. I mean, I I appreciate this, but

[31:51] » we saw a lot of this when we talked about it before, and I guess I don't see

[31:55] any new information, and we do have we already had the ordinance on the books

[32:01] of no livestock in town. So I I guess I'm not inclined to without any new,

[32:12] you know, ideas to to approve.

[32:17] » Yeah. >> Moving forward with that.

[32:23] » I I'm totally against it. Um, we have ordinances

[32:31] against animals in town and uh I mean if you can have your

[32:38] chicken, why can't I have my horse? My horse is a 2,000lb horse.

[32:44] I have several of them. I'm going to upset somebody.

[32:50] Um, I am a firm believer in no animals in

[32:54] town. And were I to have my way, there wouldn't be

[32:59] dogs or cats either,

[33:04] » because I just don't believe they belong in town.

[33:09] But we're we appreciate the fact that you've come

[33:12] » Yeah. >> forward and ask. Um but if if you have

[33:17] chickens now, you need to get rid of them.

[33:19] » Yeah. >> So, um

[33:25] unless anybody else has any other questions.

[33:33] » Okay. >> Okay.

[33:35] » Thank you. Mhm.

[33:40] » Uh moving moving forward with uh the uh I didn't get anything from Marber's as

[33:48] to what only thing I can say that might be

[33:54] pertinent to her report would be that both the workforce tax credit grants

[33:59] were approved. Oh, good. >> Um, so above the fitness center is where

[34:09] Zack Mloud has that. That's He's going to put apartments up there.

[34:14] » I thought the gas tank was an issue. The >> No, no, no. That was for

[34:19] » That's for Yeah. >> And

[34:22] » that was like federal funding. >> It was from USDA.

[34:25] » Oh, okay. >> That's what they were seeking.

[34:28] Uh, and the other one was uh Abby,

[34:36] right? >> Yeah.

[34:37] » Abby Gilroy. >> Gilroy for Couldn't think of her last

[34:39] name. Sorry. Um, her workforce uh tax credits were approved for uh down at

[34:49] back behind your place at the

[34:54] » Johnson property. Mind I'm losing words here tonight.

[34:58] So, uh I know that she's scheduled a meeting with uh some of the neighbors

[35:04] » tomorrow >> tomorrow evening

[35:07] uh talk about some of their concerns and then I believe she's going to offer a

[35:13] community meeting on sometime in October so that she can talk about the whole

[35:19] process.

[35:23] Um Dave, do you have any

[35:26] » no >> comments

[35:28] » or anything else? >> I had one comment and it was about the

[35:32] garbage rates and it's not about the necessarily the rates but um we have at

[35:41] our end of town the garbage man is the guy from Huxley I believe

[35:46] » guys. Huh? >> Garbage guys. garbage guys and they

[35:52] evidently have raised their rates and I have

[35:56] um automatic pay out of the bank. Well, now I'm like three months behind on what

[36:02] they raised it because I I was never notified.

[36:05] » Oh, we get emails >> and so I was just wondering if if I if

[36:11] anybody else had gotten >> we we do have garbage guys and we get

[36:15] emails from them. uh and that whether it's you know they're

[36:22] not going to pick up a certain day but also the rates

[36:26] uh have been so I don't know >> I must just be on the I must not have

[36:32] got given them my email because I'm like two months behind or 50

[36:38] cents that whatever they raised at 50 cents a month I'm a couple of months

[36:43] behind so I thought the bank when you have an automatic

[36:49] payment it automatically would they take out that new amount but

[36:53] » I don't know if they didn't do that or what because I

[36:57] » now it's instead of whatever the rate is I'm a dollar behind and I don't I know

[37:02] that's not a big deal except that >> I

[37:06] think we have auto pay too and I don't think we have that

[37:10] » I brought mine up and showed it to Emily and I thought well maybe I'm reading

[37:14] this wrong because I Anyway, I'll contact them and make sure I get on

[37:20] their email. Lori,

[37:24] » uh, a couple things. Uh, I did have a complaint from a citizen about some junk

[37:30] in the yards of a couple places that have been there quite a while. And I

[37:34] don't know if Ethan, you want to talk to them, but there's down on Division

[37:39] Street West. They're both on west division further

[37:44] closer to the um school. So there's a stove that's been sitting in the one

[37:50] yard on the on the south side and there's um

[37:55] » a mattress and box springs on that corner right by the funeral home on the

[38:01] this anyway >> house wasn't big. So they had to go in

[38:06] and there was a rid of a big So they the sheriff's office showed up and tore

[38:10] everything out of the house >> and put it on the curb and then he just

[38:15] kind of took what he could take with him. Um I assumed when they brought that

[38:20] rolloff out because somebody bought all that from Jason Taylor and they're

[38:22] redoing those units. So I assumed when they had that roll off that they were

[38:28] going to start throwing that stuff in there.

[38:31] But I can try to find a contact for them. I don't have anything right now.

[38:35] » Yeah, >> I don't know about the across the

[38:37] street. The stove. I >> I don't know about the stove, but I know

[38:40] that one though that was >> okay

[38:42] » cuz the sheriff's office ripped everything out of it and went it to the

[38:44] curb. The guy wasn't >> They making that into four units instead

[38:48] of two. >> I'm not sure what they're doing. Um

[38:51] » something told me that. I don't not somebody, but just looking at it.

[38:58] And then we had another construction meeting today and uh I mean things are

[39:05] moving along but maybe not fast enough. And so um tenfold and

[39:12] be both um really impressed that it was critical

[39:18] that they get the infield. uh this uh Iowa athletic field are the ones that

[39:24] are doing the infields and to get in there in the next next two weeks to to

[39:30] get in and do demo and put the new in so that we make sure that we can get that

[39:36] seating and saw it in uh before it's too late uh in in the year. Um trying to

[39:44] think

[39:47] um should I mention about those trees at this point?

[39:51] » Um just for information. >> So

[39:56] on the east side of the whole property uh the there's a property that is owned

[40:07] by somebody but it's in the care of the bank right now. And there's some dead

[40:11] trees, dead ash trees. There's three dead ash trees on there. And the concern

[40:16] is, I mean, it would be really nice to be able to

[40:20] get those down before our fencing goes in in case they

[40:26] would fall over cuz they're they're dead dead. Um, and so they were supposed to

[40:32] give us a because it's supposedly cheaper just to

[40:36] knock them down and cut them up than uh later, you know, have a tree service

[40:42] come in and take the whole thing out. Um,

[40:46] so she sent they sent Emily the cost. What' you say 36?

[40:51] » I think it was 3750. >> Yeah. the current person in the pro at

[40:57] the property probably would not be able to afford to to do that. So, just

[41:03] throwing that out for consideration. I know we can't decide that today, but um

[41:09] whether the city wants to to do that with our cost just to

[41:15] safeguard our potential our our future fence there

[41:20] because Steve said, you know, down the road it might cost you more to repair

[41:24] the fence than it would be to take the trees down now. But Emily thinks that

[41:29] maybe our normal guy might be able to take this even cheaper even than that

[41:34] that amount. So that's something to think about.

[41:38] » Attach it to the taxes.

[41:44] » You probably could

[41:48] » and let them pay for it over a period of time.

[41:53] I >> but with the stuff that we have for

[41:57] insurance, you're probably right. It it it cost us more to

[42:02] » I think the property is in foreclosure process though. So

[42:07] I that'll go back on somebody else's.

[42:11] Yeah.

[42:15] » Well, anyway, there's throw that out there. Um they are

[42:21] uh let's see they'll we'll they'll be asking us for 50% down payment on the

[42:27] playground equipment here pretty soon. Um

[42:33] and let's see otherwise they still need to get

[42:39] connected with Brandon. They have not had that meeting yet. And uh but they

[42:45] hope to get the concrete in this fall. We have taken everything out of the two

[42:50] sheds. So, the one will be demolished. It's ready for that. And they took down

[42:54] that big tree that was kind of back behind the uh the concession stand. Um

[43:02] the other shed is pretty much empty and that'll be moved over to by the

[43:06] community garden. Um we've done everything. I don't think we

[43:12] are other than those trees. there's nothing more that is on our plate to do

[43:18] at this point. But um so I think they're just going to try to keep pushing uh

[43:23] these guys to make sure that in the next two weeks some significant stuff is done

[43:29] um by by our next we have another meeting in two weeks. So

[43:34] anybody have any questions on that?

[43:39] Okay. Uh and then I just have a question. you know, the house that burnt

[43:46] over I don't know what street that is. And I thought the insurance

[43:51] company said that had they had so much and it wasn't that long of a time period

[43:57] to demolish that house, but it's still standing. So, what was status? Well,

[44:03] I was in I just sent the message off to the insurance company asking when's the

[44:10] plan because it's almost been a year. And um they were they have somebody

[44:16] that's going to take it down, but they have to remove the asbestous.

[44:21] So, they're going to have to do asbestous removal before they tear it

[44:23] down. But and then the last thing was is they want they wanted to know if it was

[44:28] okay if they um do this edging and then put a fence

[44:34] around it. And I said and I told them no, it needs to be back filled and

[44:39] seated cuz they're not rebuilding a home there. Otherwise, there's probably going

[44:43] to be this hole there for >> the homeowners asked that question. No,

[44:48] the insurance company because it wasn't in their bid

[44:52] » to backfill and seed. And I said, but there's not a home going back up. So,

[44:58] » I feel like for the city, it needs to be backfilled and

[45:03] » seated because who knows when another home may ever be buil built there. You

[45:09] know, I don't know. I know that the Rorels aren't building a new home there.

[45:14] So >> give us x number of dollars.

[45:18] » Yeah, they the insurance company has given us I think the it's like 26,000.

[45:24] » Um and that will um if they don't get it done then we can use those funds to tear

[45:30] it down, but they they told me they're in the process. So

[45:35] » I I will call them again. >> Yeah. I mean been a while.

[45:39] » Yeah. Um,

[45:42] and Orels say they didn't hire anybody to tear it down, but the insurance

[45:47] company says, "Well, they did. We are, you know, we are not the ones that hire

[45:51] it. It's the homeowner." But we'll get it figured out. But somebody's But they

[45:56] were did they were waiting on asbestous results, too. I know. So,

[46:01] last I talked to him. So, >> that was all I had.

[46:08] Got >> nothing.

[46:11] public comments. >> Yes, I do have

[46:15] » What's your name? My name is Mr. Ley. Ley Ley. L A K E Y. Okay.

[46:20] » I do have something to say all that's just a pattern I've noticed. I've

[46:27] gone ahead and made out a speech for you. It said, "Good evening, members of

[46:32] the Ogden City Council. My name is Mr. Leaky. I am the owner of Ethical

[46:36] Emotions LLC. My work centers on computational affective intelligence for

[46:42] human AI temporal interaction and modeling. I work with artificial

[46:46] intelligence every day. I know a fair amount of what it takes to power it,

[46:51] too. Massive data centers are moving closer and closer to Ogden. We need to

[46:56] face the immediate threats that they pose to the cost of living and our local

[47:00] resources. At full capacities, these facilities can draw an incredible 1,000

[47:06] megawatts of power from our regional grid. But it isn't just an energy

[47:10] problem. It's a water problem, too. Data centers scale uh on this scale can

[47:15] swallow millions of gallons of water every single day uh just to keep their

[47:21] servers from ju just to keep their servers from overheating. We have

[47:24] already seen a single facility in Council Bluff Bluffs, the Google Council

[47:30] Bluffs data center grow to consume 21% of that city's entire water supply. So

[47:36] almost a fourth. Uh when tech corporations strain our regional power

[47:40] and local water grids, utility costs inevitably shift at everyday people. If

[47:45] Ogden is not actively collaborating with neighboring cities right now to protect

[47:50] our shared resources, our cost of living more than likely will go up by proxy. I

[47:56] urge this council to make regional infrastructure adv and advocacy on an

[48:01] immediate priority before corporate loopholes lock us out of our own

[48:05] resources. This is Ogden. Don't just make it yours, keep it yours, too. Thank

[48:10] you. >> Thank you.

[48:12] » Thank you. I think there is a lot of concern about

[48:16] data centers. There's no doubt about it. Was at a meeting today where they talked

[48:21] about data centers. So, >> we appreciate that.

[48:25] » Does a Does a data center consume as much as a mediumsiz nuclear reactor?

[48:33] » Nuclear reactor outputs energy. >> No, I'm saying.

[48:40] » Yeah, I'm saying I agree with that. >> Yeah. And so there will have to be I'm

[48:44] just trying to say, you know, we're all against nuclear reactors, not me. But

[48:49] yeah, aren't these going to cause a lot of uh I mean, Google just bought

[48:57] » Well, it's supply and demand. Why would I hand out extra energy to the uh crowd

[49:02] of people when I can say that price and demand has

[49:07] gone, right? So I don't actually need to hand out a bunch of energy at the same

[49:13] price. I can sit there and say, "Oh, the metric has gone up. Hey, let me string

[49:16] you along now." >> That was going to be my second thing.

[49:20] » We have We don't have transmission capacity for all this wires,

[49:26] » cables, they will put it on. Yeah. >> But every time they put it on,

[49:30] » then they then it costs us more per kilowatt hour.

[49:34] » Yeah. It it it drives up supply and demand

[49:38] » you know. >> Yeah. It's uh it it heavily relies on

[49:43] infrastructure and these companies are bolstering our own infrastructure to do

[49:48] this. There are uh capacitors that they're ordering from Facebook, for

[49:52] Google, for for Amazon to get these things done within our own cities and

[49:57] the they sit there and say, "Oh, it's going to be really good for you." No,

[50:01] it's not >> in the long run. No, it's not.

[50:06] » Well, they're going to get a huge tax. >> They shouldn't,

[50:10] you know, >> they should they shouldn't be getting a

[50:12] tax break. They're taking away in the long term resources away from everyday

[50:17] people. That's you, me, everyone here in Ogden. Just by proxy, just by being in

[50:22] another city. Yeah. Just by drawing off on top of another city's grid.

[50:26] » We're on a grid, right? Or >> we're on a grid.

[50:28] » Yeah. Yeah. It's not hard to siphon off of one grid to go to another grid.

[50:32] There's power lines that lead from here to Ames and Ames to here. You know, it's

[50:36] only a matter of and they're talking about putting one in as too. You know,

[50:39] they're they're talking about some of these data centers and and that's one

[50:44] data center of proposing three in this area.

[50:49] » It's insane. >> It is insane. They're they're they're

[50:52] trying to find loopholes right now and they're using AI to do it. And it's only

[50:56] a matter of time before AI can sit there and poke and prod that thing that

[51:00] doesn't sleep and and and say, "Oh, well, you know, I did find a plot of

[51:04] land out out there that a farmer wants to sell for 10 $10 million or $10

[51:09] billion, whatever it is, they have the money to do it. They have they have the

[51:13] funds to secure that kind of asset because they know it's going to work out

[51:16] for them in the long run and it's not going to work work out for them in the

[51:20] long run. And if if you look at past cases of this where people have been

[51:24] literally evicted from their houses uh because the data center is there, the

[51:28] noise that it generates, the the lack of security uh that people get, the the

[51:33] infringement of security where they they place cameras outside of every one of

[51:37] these data centers. They they'll read your license plate, they'll know your

[51:40] face, they'll know your your your biometrics, all of it. And and and just

[51:46] kind of exist being able to do this. I don't think that I I'm I'm just very as

[51:54] much as I use AI is as much as I say that is one of the most

[51:59] wasteful things that we could possibly do is

[52:03] allow data centers to enter proximity of our town not just in our town proximity.

[52:10] One data center is consuming 21% council bluffs. What happens when we have five?

[52:16] » Okay, thank you. Great. Uh, you guys talked about what I wanted to talk

[52:21] about. >> Mrs. Rogers,

[52:25] » I got several. Well, last month, Lori Anderson spoke

[52:31] and said that she was going to talk to the Leonard Good Trust about writing a

[52:36] letter to see about funding at the right time.

[52:40] » See about funding about what? >> Their park.

[52:42] » We already have. We've received funding from them. But you was going to have

[52:46] them have a written notice or written written paper because you hadn't talked

[52:49] to him yet. >> You said that in the meeting.

[52:54] » But anyway, >> you've had that funding for a while. So,

[52:57] » but you're not listening to what I said. >> I'm not understanding. I'm sorry.

[53:00] » You just made the statement that you when mayor asked you about the if you

[53:06] had the park and stuff and you said that you um had to go talk to the Leonard

[53:12] Good Trust to see if they would write up Oh, I know what you're talking about

[53:16] yet. Yes. Okay, I'm with you. It was a um we went a different way. Uh we were

[53:23] going to go with three banks. Now we're just we've just got a loan uh through

[53:29] Vision Bank. So, we did not have to do what

[53:32] » uh the that written piece of >> paper. I can't remember what it was

[53:36] called now. The something that they had to give a guarantor.

[53:41] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is not happening now because we were we found out that

[53:46] the bank can just cover that. >> When you started the project, you should

[53:50] have had that done. But that's that you're said. You're fine. You're fine.

[53:55] No, it's Emily. I asked you about the the um alleyway

[54:01] behind my house. >> The driveway. Yep. Yep. The alley.

[54:04] » Okay. Then on the and you said that it would not be taken down and it would be

[54:09] used for the trucks to go in and out. >> It'll be used for the whole wreck that's

[54:14] going to be >> Okay. But then you in the minutes last

[54:17] week when when I ran it off, you said um that um it would not be unable it it

[54:25] will not be usable in the future. The alley will be used for an exiting of the

[54:33] park. Yeah.

[54:35] » Okay. >> It's still going to be You can still

[54:38] utilize it. >> No, I am not saying can.

[54:40] » But then do I have to go all the way over to the driveway of the schoolhouse

[54:45] and get >> No,

[54:46] » there because if I want to go in by stumbles into two houses in,

[54:51] » you can do that. >> Then it's not an exit. But when um for

[54:57] there's going to be an entrance into the park, you know, where that where you

[55:01] used to go into the school, that's going to be an entrance and people then are

[55:05] going to have to go out that way. >> She's saying, "Can she come in while

[55:10] people are going out?" >> Owner of that property, can I drive

[55:13] through the alley and go into >> into yours? Yeah. There's not going to

[55:16] be a there's not going to be a >> one way.

[55:19] » Do not enter. It's a oneway. No, it's just they want the general traffic flow

[55:24] during >> Okay.

[55:25] » activities to utilize that way for traffic.

[55:28] » This is what I read in here and it made it sound a different way.

[55:32] » Oh, okay. >> Yeah.

[55:33] » So then um >> but you can still they could neighbors

[55:38] can still go both ways or you you're behind your home

[55:42] » but during games that's going to be the >> how people are going to exit.

[55:47] » The next question is then are you going to pave that? No,

[55:51] » it's just going to be >> It's gonna be rock. It's gonna just be

[55:54] rock. Yep. >> It's just going to be rock.

[55:57] » But I would like to make a comment on that chicken lady.

[56:01] » Sure. >> I mean, and I don't give a rats about

[56:04] chickens. I wish the hell would we get rid of the dogs and cats also

[56:08] because those if chickens talk all day and night, them dogs bark all night in

[56:14] my neighborhood. So, but I want you guys to know there's

[56:19] more people involved than it has chicken than you know about.

[56:25] I'm done.

[56:31] » Okay. >> Thank you. I got that straightened out

[56:33] about the That was Yeah. >> Anything else?

[56:37] Anybody else have anything? I would entertain a motion to So moved.

[56:43] » Seconded. All those in favor say I.

[56:48] » Good. Thank you. We are ajourned.

September 8th city council meeting

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