[3:16] All right, it's 1:30. I'd like to call the meeting of the

[3:20] Traffic and Transportation Commission for March 16, 2026 to order. We'll go

[3:27] ahead and do roll call. Commissioner Littlefield

[3:31] » present. >> Commissioner KS is not available.

[3:35] Commissioner Hail >> here, sir.

[3:37] » Commissioner Martinez is not available. Commissioner Wyn

[3:41] » here. >> Commissioner George

[3:43] » here. >> Okay. And Commissioner Cornet is not

[3:46] available. So, we do have a quorum and we are able to to proceed.

[3:52] We go on now to the next item. Uh, approval of the minutes from February

[3:58] 16th, 2026. Can I have a motion, please? >> Motion to approve.

[4:03] » Motion to approve by Commissioner Hail. Do we have a second?

[4:06] » Second >> by Commissioner Wyn. Any discussion?

[4:12] » Uh, if you if you recall, uh, we asked for a presentation on parking meters,

[4:18] why, how come, where does the money go, all that, that'll be in April.

[4:23] » Oh, okay. So, it is being worked. They just asked if they could have a bit more

[4:28] time. Okay. So, we have a motion from Commissioner Hail to approve, seconded

[4:33] by Commissioner Wyn to approve the minutes of the February 16th, 2026.

[4:38] Votes, please.

[4:48] There it is. Item has passed. With all five in favor,

[4:53] we go on now to reports from the traffic services division in the counselor's

[4:57] office. >> All right. You've got our standing

[5:00] standard monthly report before you. Um I just want to make a few comments on the

[5:06] uh alternative speed abatement program status report. We haven't had any new uh

[5:11] speed humps installed since mid December of last year. Uh the reason for that is

[5:16] because we're in the process of looking for a new vendor. We've been so until

[5:21] until we have someone new under contract to provide them, we're kind of holding

[5:26] on pending applications and like I said, working to find a new

[5:30] vendor. And as far as the rest of the report, the only other thing of

[5:34] consequence is um on the last page there is a under turn restrictions there's

[5:39] been a new one that's been installed that is on Northclassen Boulevard at

[5:43] Northwest 13th Street and that is for a northbound no left turn basically

[5:49] weekdays from 4 p.m. to 6 p.m. And aside from that, I'm happy to answer

[5:55] any of the questions you might have about our standing monthly reports.

[6:00] » All right. Thank you very much. Council's office.

[6:02] » No reports today. >> All right. Thank you very much, sir.

[6:06] » Okay. We go on to item four, the consent docket. There are no items. We go to

[6:10] item five. 5A. Corey Hubert, parking services manager. Uh item is up on the

[6:18] screen. Sir, if I could have your name and address, you got five minutes.

[6:23] » Corey Hubert, 431 West Main Street, Oklahoma City.

[6:29] uh North Hudson uh just west of the um courthouse, we have two uh commercial

[6:37] loading zone spaces. We'd like to have those loading zone spaces replaced with

[6:44] government use vehicles only in order to reduce the amount of blockages uh to our

[6:52] street car that's negatively affecting embark customers and the community at

[6:58] large.

[7:01] » All right. Thank you very much, sir. Do we have anybody else want to speak on

[7:06] 5A? Okay, staff. All right. In this

[7:10] particular case, the requested change is going to eliminate a commercial loading

[7:14] zone in favor of parking for government business adjacent to the Oklahoma County

[7:18] Courthouse. Um, you can see up on your screen um a type of blockage that Mr.

[7:23] Hubert was referring to. So, in this particular case, action is going to be

[7:29] at the direct at the discretion of the commission. So, if the commission votes

[7:32] to remove the loading zone in favor of the um reserve parking for government

[7:38] business, uh the commission's action on removing the loading zone is final, but

[7:42] we'll need to take a uh an ordinance on to the city council for the uh

[7:47] government business parking zone. So, I'm happy to answer any questions you

[7:51] might have on this request. >> All right. Thank you. Do we have a

[7:54] motion concerning 5A? >> I've got a question.

[7:59] » Yes, sir. Um, it doesn't affect my support of it, but would these parking

[8:04] spaces be available to the physically disabled if need be

[8:12] with a just a placard? >> In this particular case, there they

[8:17] would be reserved for the use by official government vehicles. Primarily,

[8:21] it'd be uh law enforcement or other similar agencies.

[8:29] » Okay. Can I have a motion concerning 5A?

[8:34] » Motion to approve. >> Motion to approve by Commissioner Hail.

[8:37] Do we have a second? >> Second.

[8:40] » Second by Commissioner George. Any discussion?

[8:46] » I just have a comment. I guess wondering we're just changes from one type of

[8:50] parking to another. How is that going to necessarily fix anything? Sarah,

[8:55] » you come up.

[9:01] Thank you for the question. >> When we've gone out when there's been

[9:05] blockages of negatively affecting the street car and the community, we've gone

[9:10] out there and it's typically a nonl law enforcement vehicle

[9:14] » that's parked over that line. >> The idea is that the law enforcement

[9:20] agencies will follow those >> guidelines. Okay. Okay.

[9:26] Good follow-up question. Yes, sir. >> Another commercial loading zone. Where's

[9:30] the next closest one outside of this one?

[9:33] » There's commercial loading zones on Park Avenue. Um and then again on uh just

[9:41] north of the um museum. Those are the two that ring the loudest

[9:48] bell in my head right now. I don't have them all memorized.

[9:56] Well, just just to talk about it, >> when it's a commercial loading zone, is

[10:01] that timelmited? >> Yes,

[10:03] » usually. >> Not necessarily. It can be.

[10:07] » So, that's my first question. And the second thing is if it's a commercial

[10:11] loading zone, usually it's probably a larger vehicle.

[10:14] » Yeah. >> Which would be, you know, some U-Haul or

[10:17] something. Yeah. Something big >> that may not fit in that space and then

[10:21] therefore caused the blockage. Is this probably the only commercial loading

[10:25] zone that is near one of your tracks? >> Um, I don't have that information

[10:32] readily available. Um, it is one of our most problematic.

[10:37] » Okay. >> Uh, blockage areas by far

[10:42] » where where the train has to stop and you got to call the call the law

[10:47] enforcement and then they do something and then you call a recorder eventually.

[10:51] » Correct. >> What's the time? What's the time on

[10:53] that? Usually processed 30 minutes to an hour before you get it

[10:58] blocked. Usually, I mean, it depends on if you can't find the owner,

[11:02] » local law enforcement, what they're doing by the time they show up.

[11:06] » I doubt that >> coming and addressing a street car

[11:10] blockage is the highest of their list of priorities and they have

[11:14] » safety to be concerned with, >> right? But but at some point they show

[11:18] up and then they do their process if I remember right and then they call the

[11:22] wrecker and then the recorder's got to come.

[11:24] » So this is your your worst spot. >> Correct. And as you can see in this

[11:30] image, it's not a delivery vehicle. It was actually someone else that was

[11:35] parked there that was attending court. >> So let me go back to my first question.

[11:42] Is this a timelimited commercial loan zone?

[11:45] » No. Typically, uh, commercial loading zones are set up so that they can be

[11:49] used for basically an indefinite period of time so long as you're actively

[11:53] engaged in the use of the zone by moving things in or out, but uh, they're not

[11:58] set up so someone can just bring a commercial vehicle and park them in

[12:02] there without showing any signs of activity. So, most of the zones, I

[12:06] think, in the downtown area are not timelmited.

[12:13] And what you're seeing at this spot is parking more than loading and unloading.

[12:18] So you just want to get rid of it. >> Correct.

[12:20] » Okay. >> Yeah. I I've personally witnessed court

[12:24] reporters. I've personally witnessed attendees of

[12:28] the court system. I I cannot think of an instance where I

[12:34] saw a FedEx vehicle or a UPS vehicle or any type of delivery vehicle utilizing

[12:40] it. Okay. >> All right. Thank you very much, sir.

[12:43] » You bet. >> Any other questions or comments on 5A?

[12:47] Yes, sir. >> So, besides an obvious government

[12:51] vehicle like a police vehicle, what kind of placard would they have if if it was

[12:58] a government somebody, but it wasn't necessarily a vehicle that had anything

[13:03] on it identifying that? Is there a decal or something?

[13:08] They may have a they may have a government issued tag. Uh, a lot of

[13:12] times I've seen people leave like business cards or other site forms of

[13:17] documentation to indicate that they're they're on government business, but a

[13:21] lot of times for the most part you see like police agency vehicles.

[13:24] » Okay.

[13:29] » All right. Any other talk on 5A? >> Okay. We have a motion to approve 5A by

[13:34] Commissioner Hail, second by Commissioner George. Votes, please.

[13:42] Item has passed with all five in favor. We go on now to 5B. Caleb Morgan from

[13:48] Johnson and Associates. Uh the item is up on the screen. Sir, if I can have

[13:53] your name and address, you got five minutes.

[13:56] » Caleb Morgan, Johnson Associates, one East Sheridan, uh Sweet 200, Oklahoma

[14:00] City. Thank you for hearing this item this afternoon. Uh this is for uh to

[14:05] accompany on street parking on 10th street u at the uh on the north side of

[14:11] 10th street east of Dwey Avenue. And uh I'm sorry it's actually on on Dewey

[14:17] Avenue north of 10th Street and uh this is a company of development that's going

[14:22] on in that area. We're closing Classen Drive uh for public use and there's

[14:26] development uh going just on the southwest corner of Classen Drive and

[14:31] this will be accompanying parking that's on 10th Street and on Dewey Avenue. Uh

[14:36] we appreciate staff working with us on this item and make sure everything's up

[14:39] to code. Um if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

[14:46] » All right. Thank you. Anybody else want to speak on 5B?

[14:49] Okay. Staff. >> Okay. In in conjunction with a new

[14:52] development, the applicant is proposing to build parking laybys on the east side

[14:56] of Dwey Avenue and a short one on the north side of 10th Street. Uh the total

[15:01] number of spaces are going to be increased by 21.

[15:05] So at this point in time, the uh they're still within the prescribed ratio for

[15:10] the number of accessible parking spaces for the physically disabled to the total

[15:15] number of parking spaces on the block. So action on the on the item will be at

[15:19] the discretion of the commission. And I just want to note that at this time the

[15:22] applicant is not requesting any controls to regulate use of the proposed parking

[15:27] spaces which will be built on the east side of Dwey and the few on the north

[15:31] side of 10th Street. >> All right. Thank you. Do we have a

[15:35] motion concern in 5B? >> Move for approval.

[15:39] » Move to approve by Commissioner Littlefield. Do we have a second?

[15:45] » Second. Second by Commissioner Hail. Any discussion on 5B?

[15:51] » We have a motion. Oh yes, sir. >> I just real quickly want to thank you

[15:57] for fulfilling all the requirements for on behalf of the disabled citizens in

[16:02] our city with this space. It's great. Thank you.

[16:05] » We appreciate it. We appreciate staff working with us making sure we meet all

[16:09] those requirements.

[16:12] » All right. Any other talk on 5B? Okay. We got a motion to approve 5B from

[16:17] Commissioner Littlefield, seconded by Commissioner Hail. Votes, please.

[16:26] Item has passed with all five in favor. We are now go to 5C. Ryan Mcanahham.

[16:36] You're going to have to help me on that. uh HSSE Systems from Dos Brothers uh

[16:45] hallway stop control North Oklahoma Avenue and Northeast 82nd Street. Sir,

[16:51] » Frank, I'll be speaking on behalf of >> Oh, very good.

[16:55] » Speak uh to to the uh intersection. >> Sure.

[17:00] Come on up. Oh, here we go. Hello. >> Yep. So, I'm going to introduce and then

[17:04] uh they're going to add some uh some local flavor from their experience out

[17:08] there. Uh so, this is the new intersection uh at uh 82nd in uh

[17:14] Oklahoma, the half development there. Uh the intersection itself has been in in

[17:19] place and functional for a few years now, but just recently the south half

[17:24] connected from the south and tied in uh an approach from the southside making a

[17:29] fourlane intersection that was a T3 or sorry four approach system that was a T3

[17:34] approach intersection. Uh previously I have some pictures here. We just went

[17:38] out and took some um I'll show you an aerial. Previously on the bottom it was

[17:43] that three approach. So no approach from the bottom and this is the way it sits

[17:46] now. So they have a boulevard approach from the B from the from the south. Uh

[17:51] so it's a four lane or four approaches intersection. Now um the way it was

[17:56] installed when it was the T intersection was to have a single yield sign from the

[18:00] north. So that single um approach without the without the uh one coming

[18:06] from the south just had a yield sign. It was free flowing east and west. So, uh,

[18:10] Delissi's on the corner there and they're they're here who's speaking in

[18:13] the, uh, in the, uh, northeast corner over there. Uh, just some pictures of

[18:18] that area. So, we understand traffic, uh, staff has done a great job doing

[18:24] analysis on this intersection. It doesn't meet the warrants for a four-way

[18:27] stop. Uh, that's based on current counts and current, uh, collisions. They do

[18:32] have some uh there has been a a collision recently with an injury and

[18:38] they're going to speak to that and a few other incidents they've had out on site.

[18:41] Uh this area is developing rapidly and there's the ENQ that just went in

[18:46] recently uh in the south uh west corner of that picture there and there's a

[18:52] school that's being developed. You can kind of see the dirt moving on the

[18:54] southeast corner of that picture. Uh so they're going to you're going to have a

[18:58] lot of new traffic and and some high schoolers in that area too. So, the

[19:02] concern is also for the future um to protect the the pedestrians and citizens

[19:07] in the area. So, that's why we're requesting it an all-way stop. Um and

[19:13] we're going to have them talk on a few uh incidents they've had out there.

[19:17] Right.

[19:20] » Yes, sir. If I could have your name and address, you'll have five minutes and

[19:23] then if you haven't filled out one of these, fill it out when you're done,

[19:26] please. >> We're good. My name is Kermit Frank. I'm

[19:29] with Deli at 8300 North Oklahoma Avenue. I'm vice president of uh community and

[19:36] government relations there. Um appreciate the opportunity to speak with

[19:42] you guys today. Really do. Um our offices are located on that northeast

[19:46] corner of that intersection and um we have nearly 175 of our 1,200 employees

[19:53] assigned there. We've been at that location since 2021.

[19:58] And when we first moved in, we were pretty isolated.

[20:03] Delicia has a strong safety culture and our motto motto is safety always. So

[20:07] people have no problem uh speaking up and telling us about things when they

[20:11] have an issue. So even being isolated, we heard about numerous near misses and

[20:18] we had safety concerns for this intersection going back to when it was a

[20:21] three-way. Uh we submitted a request for an

[20:24] installation of a yield sign back in 2023.

[20:28] to help clarify the rightway so people could understand what they're coming up

[20:32] to. Uh we didn't hear any response so it remained unresolved.

[20:38] Fast forward to August of last year and it's really hard for me to qu quantify

[20:43] to this commission um Mr. Chai how appreciative we are of having Oklahoma

[20:50] Avenue open uh giving us true north south access because we were captive to

[20:55] going north. Uh we just love it. We really appreciate it. Thank you.

[21:00] However, almost immediately we began getting reports from our people of near

[21:04] misses at this intersection and being a four-way, they were dramatically

[21:08] different what we were hearing. And so we submitted a request last September

[21:12] for a two-way stop and that resulted in in the yield signs

[21:17] that we have now. Reports of near misses have continued.

[21:23] However, I must say that when we got notice last week that it was possible uh

[21:29] that we wouldn't get signs because we've been telling everybody that gave us a

[21:34] near miss report. It's in the process. We're working on it. Uh the the

[21:39] floodgates opened. I don't know. It's impossible for me to tell you how many

[21:42] people have come to me and said, "I've had a near miss." Folks that traveled

[21:47] here today on our behalf had near misses on the way over here. Um, and I'll just

[21:53] say one of those includes my wife who was coming to bring me something one day

[21:58] traveling west. Nearly got hit by a car going north who didn't stop at the yield

[22:04] sign and she promptly called me and said, "Do something about this. This is

[22:08] dangerous." So, she knows what I do and thought that maybe I would have the

[22:12] chance. And so, thank you. I am here. The most common theme I have found in

[22:17] the conversations that I've had with people is that the yield signs are

[22:21] either being ignored and they just they just aren't effective in this

[22:24] application. Uh most all of the concerns and letters and documentation we have

[22:30] are about people going north and south. So, I appreciate the time and effort of

[22:35] the of the people in the study, and it seems to me a very good indicator of

[22:40] maybe a moment in time, but we're on the cusp of explosive growth at 82nd in

[22:46] Oklahoma. I mean, we have a thriving restaurant, a busy movie theater, an

[22:51] extremely popular entertainment venue in Andredy, and a 300 unit apartment

[22:56] complex, not to mention another office building. And most importantly, I think

[23:02] in just a few short months, we'll have another business on the southwest

[23:06] corner. And in September, I just uh attended the groundbreaking for another

[23:12] high volume entertainment uh venue, uh the the Fieldhouse, which

[23:17] is going to be very cool. Uh but as Caleb said, the one thing that's got me

[23:23] really really concerned is shortly uh the opening of the new Bell Ale High

[23:28] School in 82nd is going to be an access point for the high school and I was 16

[23:34] once upon a time. Anyway, in conclusion, that intersection will never have less

[23:39] traffic than it has right now. And I understand there's only been one

[23:43] accident and that's kind of one of the triggers that it takes five to really

[23:48] establish criteria for something like this. But I'd ask you please to grant

[23:54] this application for the four-way stop so we can get a grip on this

[23:57] intersection and we don't have to come back after four more and the possibility

[24:04] of some of our people getting hurt. Anyway, thank you very much for your

[24:08] time and thank you very much for your service to community serving on this

[24:13] commission. I appreciate it. >> All right. Thank you very much, sir. Do

[24:17] we have anybody else want to speak on 5C?

[24:22] » All right, staff. >> All right. You've got our comments

[24:25] before you. As you noted, um the applicant had mentioned that this

[24:28] particular location presently does not meet any of the MUTCD always stop

[24:33] control criteria. Uh the applicant has provided a petition demonstrating local

[24:37] support for the traffic control change they're seeking. So action on this item

[24:41] will be at the discretion of the commission. I'm happy to answer any

[24:45] other questions you might have on this application.

[24:49] » Thank you. Do we have a motion concerning 5C?

[24:53] » Move to approve. >> We have a motion to approve by

[24:55] Commissioner Wyn. >> We have a second.

[24:57] » Second. >> Second by Commissioner George. Any

[24:59] discussion?

[25:03] » Okay. Okay, we have a motion to approve 5C by Commissioner Wyn, seconded by

[25:07] Commissioner George, and we'll have our votes here. That's my fault. Yep, please

[25:13] vote.

[25:29] It's green here.

[25:34] There we go. Item has passed. Would all five in favor? Thank you.

[25:38] » Thank you. We go on now to 5C. Cara Bowererman. Traffic signal at Northwest

[25:45] Pennsylvania Avenue and Northwest 198th Street.

[25:49] » Ma'am, if I could have your name, address, you have up to five minutes.

[25:52] » Cara Berman, 2225 Northwest 198th Street. Uh I'm a resident of the Lost

[25:58] Sonatada neighborhood and a school counselor at H Heartland Middle School.

[26:01] Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. I'm also supported by a few

[26:05] neighbors and students um on this initiative, if you don't mind smiling

[26:09] and waving, including my head principal at H

[26:12] Heartland. This intersection has been a growing safety concern for years, and

[26:17] the situation is only getting worse as our area continues to grow. The

[26:21] population in northeast Oklahoma City and far northwest Edund has increased

[26:25] dramatically and traffic on Pennsylvania continues to rise every year. What may

[26:29] have once functioned as a temporary solution simply is not keeping up with

[26:32] the volume of vehicles and student walkers using that crosswalk today.

[26:37] Before the crosswalk was installed, students were actually jaywalking across

[26:41] Pennsylvania get to get to school because the only signalized crossing

[26:44] nearby was at 192nd Street nearly a mile away. to address that problem. At the

[26:50] time, the county commissioner, Kevin Cowie, helped facilitate the

[26:53] installation of the current crosswalk. That effort was well-intentioned and

[26:56] necessary at the time, but the crosswalk that was installed did not anticipate

[27:00] the growth that this area would experience. Today, the crosswalk relies

[27:04] on small yellow LED lights that are difficult for drivers to see, especially

[27:08] in the early morning hours and especially since daylight savings time.

[27:12] Even when activated, yellow lights do not clearly direct drivers to stop. They

[27:17] simply flash um when the AC activated button is pushed, which many younger

[27:21] students forget to do. The crossing can give students a sense of protection

[27:25] while drivers may not realize a child is about to step into the road. When I

[27:30] first began working at H Heartland, I walked to the school myself from my

[27:33] neighborhood and would often help students cross at that intersection. I

[27:38] did I did that until I became pregnant and did not feel comfortable risking it

[27:41] anymore. After that, members of our school administration, including my

[27:45] principal, tried to help facilitate traffic through the area in the

[27:48] mornings, but that eventually became a liability. At one point, our school

[27:53] resource officer uh through Edund Police Department attempted to help direct

[27:57] traffic, but but she ultimately had to step away because that road fell under

[28:01] Oklahoma City jurisdiction. I don't think we can real realistically expect

[28:06] Oklahoma City police officers to be stationed at that intersection every

[28:09] morning to manage traffic on a school day. To help illustrate what families

[28:14] and staff experience every day, I've provided a handout, a large handout that

[28:19] includes testimony from parents, teachers, and neighbors describing close

[28:22] calls near accidents and the difficulty drivers have seeing students in the

[28:26] early morning hours. You will also find copies of a news article that previously

[28:31] reported on the concerns surrounding this intersection as well as a letter of

[28:34] support from the president of the H Heartland Parent Organization who has

[28:38] served as a board president for Safe Kids Oklahoma. Together, these

[28:42] perspectives reflect a broad community concern about the safety of this

[28:45] crossing. Another challenge is that the current crossing has created something

[28:49] of a false sense of security. Students assume the lights will protect them, but

[28:53] drivers often do not notice them or do not know how to respond. The result is a

[28:57] situation where children are stepping into a roadway with fast-moving traffic

[29:00] and limited visibility. This issue also affects traffic entering and leaving the

[29:05] neighborhood. Because many parents do not feel comfortable allowing their

[29:08] children to use the crosswalk, they instead drive to pick them up and park

[29:11] near the entrance of Loanada. That creates additional congestion and unsafe

[29:16] condition conditions along Pennsylvania as well as inside the neighborhood

[29:19] itself. A prop a proper traffic signal

[29:25] would help regulate the increasing vehicle traffic entering and exiting the

[29:28] neighborhood. The growth in this area is not slowing down. New neighborhoods

[29:32] continue to develop and more families are moving to this part of the city

[29:35] every year. The number of children and vehicles using this crosswalk will only

[29:39] continue to increase. My daughter will one day attend Frontier and Hartland and

[29:44] would use the same crossing. In its current condition, I would never feel

[29:47] comfortable allowing her to cross there alone. I believe every parent in our

[29:51] community deserves to feel confident that their child can cross the street

[29:54] safely on their way to school. Thank you for your time.

[30:00] » Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Anybody else want to speak?

[30:05] » Please. Yes, sir. Let me have your name and address and you'll have up to five

[30:10] minutes and when you're done, fill out one of the green forms, please.

[30:14] » Evan Allen. I live at 1 19909 Adagio Lane. That's where 198

[30:23] uh meets Adia Lane where it comes off of Penn. Uh I've occupied that home for 15

[30:30] years. I've seen the development. The schools have happened. We're having an

[30:36] integrous uh

[30:40] nursing facility arriving on on the previously uncluttered corner. There's a

[30:47] huge development behind the on uh the Casey's gas station there. Um, and Karen

[30:55] never asked me to speak, but she's been a a big factor in in all of this and and

[31:03] has lived and experienced it, as have I. Too many events to to talk to. But

[31:11] sadly, people grow worse and worse. We import more and

[31:17] more aliens from the Californiaiforns, the Arkansass, the Texans, and who knows

[31:22] all where. So that all said, I've lived for 29 years. We came to

[31:30] Oklahoma. I lived in the city. My kids graduated

[31:34] from Patnham City North, so I've experienced that. My grandchildren have

[31:39] graduated in the community, 26 and 13 year olds. And uh my wife and I have

[31:47] both served in state offices in Wyoming and different places, lived

[31:55] in different cities. This has been the worst intersection I've ever seen.

[32:02] Thanks for your time. Thanks for your service. I know it's a thankless task.

[32:09] » All right. >> And do you want me to

[32:11] » Yes, please fill out one of those forms. Thank you very much. Anybody else want

[32:14] to speak? All right. You had your hand up first, then I'll come to you. Okay.

[32:18] Name and address. You have five minutes and fill out a form when you're done.

[32:21] » Okay. Allison Dearzky, 19616 Sonatina Drive in Edmund/ Oklahoma City. Um, I am

[32:30] a parent. My son is not old enough for the middle school yet. We still have

[32:33] about eight years till that. But I have to turn left out of the neighborhood at

[32:38] peak time in the morning. And as Cara mentioned, I have seen a lot of these

[32:44] near misses and problems. Um, I appreciate the attempts at the crosswalk

[32:49] and its meaning and intention, but when it's dark outside, you would think the

[32:55] lights are more visible, but the children are not. So, I've seen the

[32:58] light activated and the child maybe the first car closest to the side of the

[33:04] road will stop, but then the middle, there's four lanes, so the two middle

[33:09] lanes might not stop. So, they will be in the road and then have to look around

[33:13] a car to see if someone is flying down Pennsylvania Avenue, not always in the

[33:18] um school zone speed limit. And so, I've seen that. And then when they were

[33:25] trying to u mitigate the problem by having someone direct traffic, turning

[33:30] left became impossible um because all of the left turns out of the middle school

[33:36] will head south. And then when they let that stop and they release the cars that

[33:41] had been blocked up, Pennsylvania would all come and there would be no break. So

[33:46] it'd be a solid line. And so that wasn't really working either. Um and going back

[33:52] to visibility, when they activate the light during daytime, they don't the

[33:57] cars don't see the flashing light at all. You might see the kid, but not the

[34:00] light, the vice versa. Um, so if it's required for the students to walk

[34:06] because they're not within a busing distance,

[34:11] keeping them safe is obviously our primary goal. And so I appreciate Cara

[34:16] for bringing this to you and for you to hear our plight and our worries. And I

[34:22] appreciate your consideration. >> Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Ma'am, come on

[34:27] up.

[34:30] We'll have your name and address and you have up to five minutes and then fill

[34:33] out a form. >> My name is Rachel Sanders. I live at

[34:37] 2209 Northwest 199th Street in Edmond. Um I brought my daughter here. She's

[34:43] sixth grade at H Heartland and firsthand experience. She's probably been almost

[34:48] hit by a car a handful of times this year crossing in the morning. Um she

[34:53] doesn't like to walk but like we said we don't have a bus stop. I mean a bus

[34:56] route. So, unfortunately, that's the only way. Um,

[35:01] especially now that it's dark in the morning, like they've said, you can't

[35:04] see those kids. It's dangerous more than you guys

[35:09] realize. And my daughter's life is at jeopardy at times, crossing to get to

[35:16] school. And I'm afraid something's going to happen before something h before

[35:21] something gets done. Um, I have more kids, you know, they're

[35:26] going to go to H Heartland and it's it's just scary. It's scary.

[35:31] Definitely as a parent sending her across that street and not knowing if

[35:36] I'm going to get that call that, hey, there was an accident. She's told me one

[35:40] one day she crossed and she barely missed getting hit. And one of the

[35:44] counselors at H Heartland had to like come for her and be like, hey, you

[35:47] really got to watch out. She watches out.

[35:50] There's no way for her not like she watches, she makes sure she crosses, she

[35:55] runs across that street and still barely misses at times. So, I appreciate Cara

[36:00] for bringing this up and I hope you guys choose something. Thank you.

[36:07] » Yes, ma'am. Anybody else want to speak on 5D?

[36:12] All right, staff. >> All right, you got our comments before

[36:16] you. Um, the commission last considered a request for a traffic signal at this

[36:21] particular location that was submitted by Miss Powerman back in July of 2023.

[36:26] That's a little bit of past history. Um, we have done a complete signal warrant

[36:30] analysis based on traffic volumes, pedestrian volumes, school warrant

[36:34] studies, and at this point in time, the intersection currently does not meet any

[36:38] of the signalization criteria for at this particular location. Um,

[36:46] a school crossing guard could be a good would be a beneficial safety measure at

[36:51] this location to have help kids get across the street. But should the

[36:54] traffic and transportation commission approve the request for the signal, uh,

[36:58] the approval needs to include roadway widening for dedicated for a dedicated

[37:03] northbound left turn lane on Penn for safer left turn access to Northwest

[37:08] 198th Street. So, at this point in time, action will be at the discretion of the

[37:12] commission. I'm happy to answer any questions you might have on the

[37:15] application. >> Thank you. Do we have a motion

[37:19] concerning item 5D?

[37:24] » Yeah, I've got So, it was in 2023 this came up the same application.

[37:29] » Yes. >> And I assume it was denied.

[37:32] » And did is that when we put in the the school crossing guard instead?

[37:38] » Well, no. I >> Or not the crossing guard, but the the

[37:41] » the school flashers. I think the flashes were I think they were in place in

[37:45] place. >> Yeah. What was what I believe occurred

[37:48] was the crossing was there >> but the 25 mph school zone was closer to

[37:55] the school >> and one of the things we recommended was

[37:59] move it. >> We it did get moved back.

[38:01] » Yes, it is. So >> that there is traffic warning to say

[38:05] slow down to 25 for school zone before going northbound.

[38:09] » Right. >> We're there. That's the other way.

[38:13] » Well, you know, obviously something needs to be done here. 67 kids. That's a

[38:17] lot crossing right there. Um on just that one day, you know, and it it

[38:22] doesn't say what the weather was. It might even been a cold day. But uh um

[38:27] so there, you know, there's a traffic light, but then the other option

[38:32] possibly um I guess is if you actually do the the that doesn't just do the

[38:37] flashing yellow, but actually puts a stop light like over on 23rd, I believe,

[38:41] a 23rd, uh kind of in that re redone area, isn't

[38:47] it? Where you hit it and it >> by the theater,

[38:49] » right? Yeah. And it actually has a stop light.

[38:53] » That's correct. >> And for it lasts for a minute or two

[38:55] minutes or however long it lasts. >> Good point.

[38:57] » To get kids across. I mean, was that you know the the fact that it doesn't

[39:04] meet any criteria for a stoplight is one thing, but um I think we definitely have

[39:09] to soup up the safety factor there um in my opinion. So I would be in favor of

[39:15] the stoplight or the crossing stoplight. Is that something we can change on the

[39:22] field or is that have to be a new application?

[39:25] » At this particular location, it's at an intersection. So, the best traffic

[39:29] control would be for a full signal. >> Okay. I'll I'll move approval for a full

[39:34] signal with widening for the left turn lane.

[39:39] » Okay. We have a motion to approve 5D from Commissioner George with the

[39:45] recommendation from staff. >> Yes. Do we have a second for 5D?

[39:50] » Second. >> Second by Commissioner Littlefield.

[39:54] » Okay. Comments. Good sir. One of the problems I have with that is they're

[39:59] still going to be walking across the street unattended

[40:02] where if you had a crossing guard to regulate

[40:07] to help them, especially the younger kids, uh it seems like a crossing guard

[40:12] for this situation would be more effective, like I say, because you're

[40:16] still going to have your kids crossing the street unattended. And I'm afraid

[40:20] that it may just lead to more of these near misses where if they had a crossing

[40:25] guard, an adult there to help them across the street, it seemed like that

[40:29] would be more of a safe avenue than trusting the young children especially

[40:34] to uh trust the lights.

[40:40] » Okay. Would you like to make a comment? police state.

[40:44] » Um, whenever I was participating in helping kids cross, um, we we were not

[40:50] given permission from our district safety coordinator to put a crossing

[40:54] guard there. So, I was crossing the street 60 times

[40:59] » to help kids cross. Um, but I stopped cuz I was almost getting hit as well

[41:05] when and I had become pregnant. >> Why Why wasn't it approved?

[41:10] » Why wasn't it approved? I'm not sure. It was Mike Johnston is our district safety

[41:14] coordinator. I don't know if it's because it's Oklahoma City Road and it's

[41:17] Edund public schools. >> Um

[41:19] » Edund students. >> I'm not sure. I'm I I think I mean I

[41:23] think it was necessary. My principal does, but um every time we've tried to

[41:27] get out in that that road, we've been deterred by district.

[41:31] » All right. So, as far as the crossing guard,

[41:33] » Mhm. >> we all we all think we know that the

[41:37] process is the school puts in a request and then the Oklahoma City funds it. The

[41:46] Oklahoma City has a funding for it. They do the you do the training for the

[41:51] crossing guard, provide them all the gear, and they get paid and they do

[41:55] their work. But in this situation, it's a school from outside of our is Have you

[42:02] ever heard of that one before? Is that one that we need to have legal maybe

[42:07] provide us counsel? If you could look into it maybe to say, "Hey, uh, it is

[42:14] Oklahoma City kids on an Oklahoma City road, but it they're walking to an

[42:20] Edmond school. Uh, who would is it okay for the city to

[42:27] go ahead and pay for the because do does Oklahoma City pay the person or

[42:33] does the school district gets the money for it and then they the school district

[42:37] pays? Do you know >> it's split between the police

[42:41] department? >> But who actually pays the person?

[42:47] » See, >> it comes from the city. The

[42:50] » funding is split but the check comes from the city.

[42:53] » Check come from the city. >> Okay.

[42:55] » And we the city supervises them, right? >> They have authority through city

[42:59] ordinance to be a crossing guard, >> right?

[43:01] » Those are city employees. >> Okay.

[43:04] » Part time. >> And it has you would would you in a in a

[43:08] layman's way think there'd be no problem because the they're actually going to a

[43:12] different school in a different city. It doesn't m do you think that matters?

[43:18] I think it matters in that the process is different this time and so it's

[43:21] harder to get those channels moving in the same direction.

[43:24] » Okay. So, >> it's usually requested by the school

[43:26] district being that it's an Edmond school district. It's not there's no

[43:30] request process in place. >> Yeah. But we have

[43:34] » we have in Oklahoma City what 11 school districts in our city.

[43:39] » I mean >> more than that I think.

[43:42] » Yeah. Well, school district you count all the different ones.

[43:44] » I think there's more. So I I would ask the staff counselor's

[43:50] office in the uh in the PD to let's look at that. Can we get a hold of admin and

[43:58] say okay we can have a crossing guard there. You just have to submit a letter.

[44:02] Hey, we'd like to have a crossing guard or do we even need that? Can we just

[44:08] say there is one? I I don't know >> how how to work this. I think we can

[44:14] work together and >> at least get an answer one way or the

[44:18] other, right? >> Whether it's appropriate for there to be

[44:20] a crossing guard there. >> But I think that's that's a a short poll

[44:23] that that we can work because once you would have the process and we identify a

[44:30] person who would want to do it, get the training done. You know, I'm not saying

[44:35] it's a tomorrow thing, but it's a short poll. We could get that done pretty

[44:39] quick and get somebody out there this school year. pro possibly

[44:44] » you'd be able to do that probably quicker than to be able to fund the

[44:48] light. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. The funding of light

[44:50] is years out. >> No, we'll talk about that in a little

[44:53] bit. >> Yeah. You know, so

[44:55] » but but but as far as short polls, >> that's the first one. So if we could

[45:00] take that as an action to try to find a way to get a crossing guard there. So

[45:06] that's the first thing. Somebody in a vest with a sign

[45:09] » and say stop. could even help the cars coming out of the neighborhood. You

[45:15] know, just keep everything organized in that area. So, that's the first point I

[45:20] I have. The second one is you mentioned that the Oklahoma City uh resource

[45:25] officer eventually said he couldn't do that. So my question to you, Captain, is

[45:31] is there a reciprocal where they actually could go uh 100 yards into OK

[45:37] Oklahoma City and do that process? As she said that he said that he couldn't.

[45:43] » It's problematic. Their their score resource officer would be an Edund

[45:47] police officer, >> right?

[45:48] » And for an Edund police officer to enter Oklahoma City limits and try to enforce

[45:52] any sort of traffic action or write a ticket to some driver, it's impossible.

[45:58] Um, >> so, so the reciprocal is only when

[46:01] emergencies and >> I would expect a driver to respect the

[46:04] authority of an Edmond police officer even though they were so close to the

[46:06] boundary line there. However, the Edmond police officer does not have the

[46:10] authority to issue a citation in our city limits. So there's there's no

[46:14] follow through on the authority. >> Well, and also put them at risk

[46:18] » for they are at risk for trying to enforce things when they don't have

[46:21] jurisdictional authority. >> That's what I'm saying. So that's a true

[46:23] statement probably from the resource officer. I think that the resource

[46:27] officer is doing the right thing by not trying to enforce traffic in Oklahoma

[46:31] City. >> Okay. Uh so I wanted to clarify that to

[46:35] make sure because that's a next day thing that could be fixed right away. So

[46:39] if you maybe you could just ask if maybe they could find if there is a way just

[46:46] check to make sure there is no way >> for Edund PD to enforce traffic

[46:51] ordinance in Oklahoma City. >> No.

[46:54] » Within 100 yards of Edund? Okay. >> Well, you know, just to make sure that

[46:59] that's right because if if there is a way that legal and everybody agrees that

[47:04] they could be sit there and do something,

[47:08] if it could, then that could be a really short poll.

[47:12] » So, is Penn a completely a city Oklahoma

[47:17] City street? >> Uh, could you call up where the map is

[47:22] of the >> Yes. And it stops. It goes

[47:27] » is the crosswalk in Oklahoma City. >> Yes.

[47:30] » Yeah. The crosswalk's in Oklahoma City down here.

[47:34] And there's Edmond right there. So, it's about 100 yards.

[47:38] » That blue green.

[47:43] » Now, county would be, but then they're not the resource officer for that

[47:46] school. County. It's it's a city. Okay. >> And then the third one, and it was

[47:52] mentioned how dark it is there. Is there a street light at that intersection?

[47:56] » No, sir. >> Okay. How do we ask for a street light

[47:59] to be put at that corner? >> I believe you just did.

[48:02] » Okay. So, we're going to put in a have the city put in a request to OG& to

[48:07] install street light there for the darkness times.

[48:14] Uh they they usually just put one at a corner

[48:18] » and you would think probably on the corner of the of the uh crosswalk

[48:24] » and those LED lights that they use now are very bright.

[48:30] » So So we have a request for lighting to help something as soon as possible. Of

[48:35] course, we're getting into the point now, but get into next year when it gets

[48:39] really dark in the mornings uh to be able to have that. We're looking into uh

[48:46] can Edmond come into Oklahoma City. We're looking into that. And then the

[48:51] last thing was I forgot it. The crossing guard.

[48:56] » Yes. of how to how to pay for a crossing guard that's in our area but supporting

[49:02] a school from outside the area. >> Okay.

[49:04] » Okay. So, we're working on those three things.

[49:06] » I I do want to point out visibility for a crossing guard might be difficult. I I

[49:11] think you can see it in some of the photos. The cars pull up right to to the

[49:15] crosswalk. Some even are parked on um the crosswalk if they're waiting. And so

[49:21] whenever I've walked home before, if all the cars are waiting, I kind of have to

[49:25] like peek around to the next like lane. Um, so I think a crossing guard is

[49:30] great, but in the way that it it is painted on the road now, visibility is

[49:35] tough for any human. >> Okay. Uh,

[49:40] » will they have flag? They will have some type of signage to

[49:44] » they have to stop sign. >> I mean, they they won't just be jumping

[49:47] out there. They'll have some type of warning.

[49:50] » Okay. >> And then uh does the crosswalk need to

[49:53] be reainted? >> I think so with just more direction.

[49:58] » Okay. So, if we could have them look to see if it's faded out and needs to be

[50:03] reainted. Just things that we could do now.

[50:06] » Yes. I appreciate any typical road paints that say crosswalk ahead or

[50:11] anything as somebody's driving up toward it or are we solely dependent on just

[50:16] those light? Well, and then we have the crosswalk sign.

[50:20] » Yeah, there's there's that. And there's um there are school zone flashers on the

[50:25] approach to it. >> And are those activated at the right

[50:30] times? Are there sequences correct on the timing because those could be

[50:35] adjusted? >> That's a great question. So, um kids

[50:38] start walking to school probably at you think like 6:50 7, but the lights don't

[50:43] go on until 7:10. And so there are kids crossing when the speed limit is 40.

[50:48] » Okay. So let me clarify. I believe the the actual school gets on a website and

[50:54] adjusts those times. >> No, the school will send us uh

[50:57] information on crossing times when they want the flashers to be activated.

[51:02] » Okay, >> that's how we work that.

[51:03] » And then even for holidays, they send you a note say please turn them off for

[51:07] » We typically get an annual schedule. >> Okay,

[51:09] » so like right now the the flasher should be deactivated for spring break. Okay.

[51:15] » So, they need the school to contact you or Okay.

[51:19] » Okay. >> So, the school needs to You just need to

[51:22] let them know what time people start crossing and when it should be

[51:25] activated. Okay. >> Good. All right. We're just trying to

[51:28] make it as safe as possible. I appreciate it so much.

[51:31] » Know what we have. >> Now, zone was extended the last time I

[51:35] requested this is because it used to be so Frontier Elementary was built first.

[51:40] School zone was put in for Frontier. Then Hartland was built a few years

[51:43] later and the school zone wasn't moved to compensate. Um and so that that has

[51:48] helped um >> for responsible drivers, but there there

[51:52] are still cars flying through there probably up to 60 miles per hour.

[51:57] » Okay. And then while we're still talking,

[52:00] uh a signal light, as it was mentioned in the staff re report, would require a

[52:06] a widening of the road to put a a left turn lane there. And also we just did a

[52:13] general obligation bond which goes out for about 10 years and all that bond has

[52:19] been allocated. And so we're so you're talking a very

[52:24] long-term process before it could get in.

[52:27] » Right. >> But I always recommend to the applicant

[52:30] you have a city council person and the city council allocates funds. We don't.

[52:37] We just say okay we we want a light. we want this and it goes into the system,

[52:42] the staff system, and the staff gets counsel by the city council. So, if this

[52:49] gets approved >> and it's something that uh $250,000

[52:54] project, that's a long time before it's going to

[52:58] get done. That's why I'm trying to get all these things cleared up as much as

[53:02] we can. But if you think it's such a big priority,

[53:07] then your council person needs to know that that it's a big priority for you.

[53:12] » Okay. Thank you. >> Then you go from there.

[53:14] » See what they can do. >> Is it legal to I mean $250,000 is a lot.

[53:19] Would it be legal to fund raise at H Heartland or Frontier to help move this

[53:24] process along? >> Yes.

[53:27] » Cool. >> Yeah. there there's neighborhoods and

[53:30] and areas and shopping centers that that the the developer or the neighborhood

[53:34] helps fund >> to make it move quicker. So, there there

[53:37] are ways to do that. I would definitely get with your city council person

[53:41] » and or our city council person and um let them know, you know, that you're

[53:47] going to try to fund raise to that you guys really think you need it.

[53:50] » That helps move things along. >> Okay.

[53:51] » But but it is it could be a 10-year project. That's why this the crossing

[53:55] guard was a great idea for now, you know, because it could be even in the

[53:59] quickest it's going to be a year or two. >> Okay. So,

[54:01] » yeah. No, I appreciate the thoroughess very much. I'm learning a lot.

[54:05] » I had a whisper in my ear. It's probably close to a million.

[54:09] » Okay. >> Yeah, it's Yeah,

[54:11] » I was talking 40 year ago money. No. >> Yeah, it's a lot.

[54:15] » It it it's probably it's probably a very big number.

[54:19] » So, >> quick question on that point.

[54:21] » Yes, sir. >> So, the recommendation was for widening.

[54:23] Can you explain why we would want some winding on this one? Because there's not

[54:27] really left turning accidents that we're worried about. There's not rear ends

[54:30] happening there that so proportionately that we would say, "Oh boy, we really

[54:34] need to separate the left turners out of the through movement." This is really to

[54:38] try to stop people from going through there quickly. I don't know if a

[54:42] widening is needed. I guess I'm not understanding it.

[54:45] Well, I can I can tell you that just about on every application where we've

[54:48] had where a traffic signal was installed without roadway widening, almost from

[54:54] the day the signal gets turned on, we start getting basically calls and

[54:58] requests for turn signals because they can't make a left turn. Then we get

[55:02] asked to modify signal phasing to accommodate left turns. Um when we did

[55:07] the 2017 general obligation bond, the majority of projects in the uh in

[55:13] Proposition 3, which was for traffic control, was to do widening projects at

[55:18] roadways where traffic signals had been installed, but left turn lanes had not

[55:23] been included. So, >> and I completely get everyone wants the

[55:27] Cadillac when they get Cadillac, right? >> I think you guys want something that's

[55:31] functional as soon as possible. with that. I think honestly the cost of just

[55:35] the signals is closer to that that 250 number when you do the widening and you

[55:40] have to go buy right away have to move utilities and then you start ballooning

[55:44] the cost up and it's scope creep and it's not only just money, it's time.

[55:48] It's going to take an extra four or five years to get through the project

[55:51] development process to get to the point of being able to do the roadway

[55:54] improvements. you start now you're at 15 years before you're starting to see the

[55:59] improvements as opposed to if you can go figure out where signals can go in there

[56:03] do some sue analysis to see where you're not going to be hitting some utilities

[56:07] you can go put some foundations in tomorrow technically not with we don't

[56:11] have the money but if we have the money put foundations in now get that set up

[56:14] with the cabinet and they'd be operational without having to go buy

[56:17] right away and move utilities so yes it won't function as great as something

[56:23] with those left turn bays but it would function a lot faster and be a lot more

[56:27] cost effective. >> Well,

[56:31] » remind everyone that the only place to turn left that's not out of the

[56:35] neighborhood is going northbound on Penn and there is the right lane that someone

[56:39] could get around if somebody's turning left. When you're heading south there on

[56:44] Penn, there's nowhere to turn left. It's a because it's essentially a three-way,

[56:48] » right? So we turn left into the neighborhood all the time every day

[56:52] without a light and it's it doesn't block up traffic. So just I appreciate

[56:58] you saying why do we have to widen? >> Well and alter alternatively the uh if

[57:04] this is for a school crossing purpose the school uh students don't have to

[57:09] cross at 198 street. If they wanted to cross at a location north of that, then

[57:13] you could put then you could put in a signal and not have to put worry about

[57:18] any roadway widening. So, say like the crossing was located pretty much at the

[57:22] uh Oklahoma County, Edund, and Oklahoma City limits, a uh a standard crossing

[57:29] just for pedestrian activity could be installed. And that would not

[57:32] » solve a lot of problems having the resource officer being able actually go

[57:36] police that then too. >> It would be closer to the school.

[57:41] So >> you'd have to build a sidewalk.

[57:43] » Yeah. So what you're saying is we build a sidewalk on the left side on the west

[57:48] side >> up to the green line where the county is

[57:54] and put the crosswalk there. And then we could do like the 23rd Street crosswalk

[58:00] by the theater where it's just a push a button and it turns a red light. Your

[58:05] concern is if we do that there because it's an intersection it creates traffic

[58:11] flow problems. Who has a right away when it's red light and yada yada. So that's

[58:18] a solution. Do you see what we're saying ma'am?

[58:21] » Do you see what we're saying? >> Yes. Go all the way to Coell. build a

[58:25] sidewalk to go north on the west side of the road and put the crosswalk up there

[58:33] right at the school where it's Edmond right down. No, down

[58:40] » down right there. Yeah. >> Put a light there.

[58:45] » Well, then you could put Now that's not a road, is it? That's just the entrance

[58:50] to the school. >> Yes. That's car drop off.

[58:54] » Yeah, that's the entrance to the school. It's not a road.

[58:56] » It's on the south side of the school. Yes.

[58:58] » Right. But it's not a road. >> It's not a road.

[59:00] » Street road. Okay. So, what we're saying is

[59:04] have the students walk up on the west side of the road going north and then

[59:11] put an a stop light activated crosswalk like we have on 23rd Street by the Tower

[59:19] Theater. Is that what it's called? Mhm. >> And we put that in as a midblock

[59:23] crossing where it actually stops traffic.

[59:27] And that way you could do that. And And how much

[59:31] less expensive is that than you know >> that would be considerably less

[59:36] expensive because you'd only need two signal poles for a project like that,

[59:40] » right? And I thought that was like 150,000 when they asked for an amount

[59:45] and then the city because we were going to split it. You remember that they had

[59:49] that they were going to pay half and we were going to pay half and then the city

[59:52] ate it. >> Yeah. I would guess it would probably be

[59:55] 200,000 maybe a little bit less than that for

[59:57] » Okay. >> a midblock type crossing

[1:00:02] » just a second. Yeah. Just a second. Just a second. Second. Let's let them finish

[1:00:06] up here.

[1:00:13] » Actually, I think that sidewalk is in place already. You just have to have a

[1:00:16] landing that would come up to back up to pin.

[1:00:20] » We need Do you have a picture of that area

[1:00:24] closer that we can zoom in on? There we go.

[1:00:29] » Is that a sidewalk going up that way? >> Yeah.

[1:00:32] » So, there already is a sidewalk up to that spot.

[1:00:36] » On the left side, it needs to be extended. That's somebody that's

[1:00:40] farmland. That's not the neighborhood, >> but right at the end of that sidewalk.

[1:00:45] Right at the end of the sidewalk, that's where we we put the crossing

[1:00:49] » is where it would be put. >> Oh, on our propert

[1:00:53] Yeah. Right there. >> Right across there to the sidewalk.

[1:00:57] » Okay. And then we could do a a walker activated stop stop light which

[1:01:06] would cut down the cost. >> Mhm.

[1:01:10] » And uh only be used when it needs to be used and it wouldn't require and it

[1:01:15] would move all that energy closer to the school where it

[1:01:22] could be managed better. probably >> the only concern is that would make it

[1:01:27] even harder for parents to turn left out of the school onto 10 because it'll

[1:01:31] block up traffic when it gets activated and then those cars will start going and

[1:01:37] then the cars will never get out of the school.

[1:01:40] » Well, you're not talking a whole lot of distance. What's that about 150 yards?

[1:01:46] If that

[1:01:50] and Edund PD could probably enforce your resource officer to go out and help.

[1:01:55] Again, this is not anything that would happen today

[1:01:59] and it would be an option to the to the signal light and we'd have to ask

[1:02:04] council, do we need to can we modify down to something like this?

[1:02:09] Well, it might be problematic with Open Meeting Act because we we posted notice

[1:02:15] about action being taken at 198th and Penn.

[1:02:18] » Okay. >> And I mean, I know it's close, but it is

[1:02:21] a different intersection, a different area. There could potentially be other

[1:02:25] people interested in in that question. >> No, that's a good point.

[1:02:29] » We wouldn't be I don't think we'd be able to pro approve that today, but it

[1:02:34] certainly is an option that could be brought back. So, we could press on with

[1:02:39] this item. Let's say it gets approved. We all know that that's a 10-year out

[1:02:43] thing for a for a million-doll project. Then the staff could maybe look at a

[1:02:49] cost thing and see if there's effort available from the city to maybe move

[1:02:55] something up. It see, you know, it could start the process of looking at

[1:03:00] different options. >> Okay.

[1:03:04] And we're already looking at some short-term options and we could maybe

[1:03:08] look at a long-term option other than a signal light there

[1:03:11] » and look at >> I think it's a good idea.

[1:03:14] » Okay. Do you have any more input on this?

[1:03:19] » Yes, sir. >> Please come up to the mic.

[1:03:24] » Just wait. Just wait a second. Come up to the mic.

[1:03:27] » Now I'll talk. Uh, I'd like to reinforce that idea because the problem is that

[1:03:33] the people coming from the county are growing in number daily and they drive

[1:03:39] faster and faster like Cara said up to 50 and 60 miles an hour and they don't

[1:03:45] care whether the cars are stationary from 192nd to 206th trying to get into

[1:03:52] the school. They come speeding through there. It's a 40 mile per hour zone and

[1:03:58] there's ve very little distance between that. They come racing up and down

[1:04:04] actually. But the morning is the biggest hazard with dropping children from the

[1:04:10] right. The cars are parked stationary. They park across the pedestrian

[1:04:14] crossing. So everybody has to determine that poor God will be his life will be

[1:04:21] at risk or the person's life will be at risk with every child that he takes

[1:04:26] across there because nobody obeys the law. They come racing down there at that

[1:04:31] speed with all the traffic congestion on the right hand side. So nobody's moving

[1:04:36] here. And just bit just south of the the image there's two communities where

[1:04:44] people need to enter and exit. So that whole stretch where they're also going

[1:04:49] to squeeze the integrous uh clinic that's opening in a month's

[1:04:56] time. Um paint has got to be less than a million dollars. There's lots of

[1:05:02] opportunity to put bold paint on the roads.

[1:05:08] By slowing the traffic down to 25 miles an hour where they supposed to do it

[1:05:16] would help. They would be moving more slowly in that section. They've just

[1:05:22] recently come along and stuck a big 40 mph sign as you exit to go south.

[1:05:31] that could even be it visible there with a shadow

[1:05:35] saying okay you've passed the school zone you can do 60 miles an hour um and

[1:05:42] uh it it's just treacherous >> thanks for having

[1:05:49] » thank you sir you had a comment I believe

[1:05:52] » just point of interest there's a a midblock pedestrian crosswalk that was

[1:05:58] installed more recently than 23rd on Northwest 63rd

[1:06:02] » between Western and what would that be? Western Avenue and Grand Boulevard. You

[1:06:09] » I think it's between Western and Grand. >> Could could be a good cost study there.

[1:06:15] » All right. All right. Any other talk on item 5D?

[1:06:20] » Yes, sir. >> So, definitely supportive of something

[1:06:22] needs to be done here >> with us talking about the idea of moving

[1:06:27] the crosswalk up north a little bit. Is this something that we could look at

[1:06:30] deferring action on this item until next month while we are looking into what we

[1:06:35] need to do as far as open meeting act requirements to maybe bring something on

[1:06:39] that instead or what what's the procedural process here?

[1:06:42] » Well, what are you looking at wanting to do by moving it? I mean moving a

[1:06:46] crosswalk is a simple process. Moving a crosswalk and putting up a signal light

[1:06:52] is a little different, >> right? And if we are approving the

[1:06:55] lights right now and then we're going to talk about moving the crosswalk up to

[1:06:57] the north, does that make sense to have the crosswalk separated from the signal

[1:07:01] lights that we'd be approving today? >> Well,

[1:07:06] let's say after a year or two, it's determined that the best option is a

[1:07:12] signal crosswalk and move to that area. Then a motion

[1:07:17] comes up and we just cancel the light at that place and

[1:07:24] make and approve that to occur as a midblock crossing.

[1:07:31] » Am I Am I right? >> Yeah. I mean, the the commission could

[1:07:34] undo a previously approved action, >> right?

[1:07:39] This would just be a a long-term poll put in the system

[1:07:43] and then if something better comes up that's a least cost effective something

[1:07:49] could be done quicker maybe >> uh then we would just undo what we did.

[1:07:56] » Well, and to reiterate, supportive of doing something here. much more

[1:08:00] supportive of not including the widening to make that long pole a little bit

[1:08:04] shorter so that potentially a bake sale could happen or something that could

[1:08:09] help fund this a little bit faster with the partnership with the city.

[1:08:13] » Right. >> Right. For and for us to uh consider a

[1:08:16] midblock c signalized midblock crossing to the north of 198 street would need to

[1:08:21] just get a revised request from the applicant.

[1:08:23] » Yeah. But we would want to know is that

[1:08:27] something that we would want is that something that would work

[1:08:31] and then like we said work with your with your council person to make to get

[1:08:36] their buy in because they can go hey maybe find a smaller number easier than

[1:08:43] a bigger number. Okay. Any other talk on item 5D? I've

[1:08:49] got a question on >> on on pin kind of this whole new north

[1:08:55] pin new in the last 10 years 15 years but um are there any intersections that

[1:09:01] have lights that don't have the turn or on May that don't have that center that

[1:09:05] center left turn lane or they all because they're almost all fairly new

[1:09:12] intersections >> just about all new intersections come

[1:09:14] with turn lanes >> so that you don't you can't think of any

[1:09:17] that are on here Well, there there are a lot of existing

[1:09:21] intersections. >> Yeah.

[1:09:22] » That were constructed, you know, further in the past that will have like no turn

[1:09:26] lanes >> and some will function all right, but

[1:09:29] others I mean, when you look at the size of the development on the west side of

[1:09:32] Pennsylvania Avenue now, and there's room for additional development to occur

[1:09:37] further to the west, uh this would probably be a location where we would

[1:09:41] get a call for >> to add a left turn

[1:09:44] » for widening. Okay. Well, you make a lot of sense with what you're saying though.

[1:09:49] So, >> yes, ma'am.

[1:09:52] » I was gonna say over on Danforth, not far from us between um Penn and Western,

[1:09:59] the Danforth Farms neighborhood has a four-way flashing stop that is just now

[1:10:03] getting a light, but has been flashing stop signs for at least eight years that

[1:10:07] I've been here. So, there is one that didn't have turn lanes.

[1:10:11] » That's correct. That's correct with the that signal went in without turn lanes

[1:10:15] and that's because the uh the amount of earth work that would be required and

[1:10:19] the and the size of the retaining walls which would be necessary to widen um 100

[1:10:25] or 192nd Street at that location. It' be pretty staggering because uh the

[1:10:30] properties that are on this especially on the south side of 192nd Street sit

[1:10:35] considerably higher than 192nd itself. Okay. Any other talk on 5D?

[1:10:45] » Just real quick, the concerns I and I hate to go back to this, but the concern

[1:10:49] I have is that if you really got people willing to go through a 25 mph zone, the

[1:10:54] school zone at 60 m hour, we need some officers on the scene to slow people

[1:11:01] down. The other thing is I'm want I hate to go back to it, but I personally would

[1:11:07] prefer to have an adult escorting children across Pennsylvania Avenue. If

[1:11:13] I would really like to see y'all pursue that because if your drivers on the

[1:11:18] north pin are that inattentive to pay attention to a speed zone, I'm not sure

[1:11:24] how attentive they're going to be to uh trying to get through a light quickly.

[1:11:29] Uh it just seems like that an adult cross crossing guard would be the most

[1:11:35] effective way to make sure the kids get across safely.

[1:11:41] » All right. So, Captain, could you put the word out to that sector to please go

[1:11:45] look at this area and monitor it as best as they can?

[1:11:49] » All right. Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Any more for 5D?

[1:11:54] We have a motion to approve 5D from Commissioner George to include the

[1:11:58] recommendation from staff seconded by Commissioner Littlefield. Who votes,

[1:12:02] please? >> And just real quick before I vote, so if

[1:12:07] we vote yes on this and it has the staff recommendation, would that preclude us

[1:12:12] from funding signals if it didn't include widening?

[1:12:16] » We could always change things. We can change it, but is there a reason why we

[1:12:20] wouldn't just say let's fund it with let's approve it right now without the

[1:12:24] required widening and if it needs widening in the future that doesn't even

[1:12:28] have to come to this board, does it? >> No. No, it would not. I mean, if if the

[1:12:34] intersection is signalized, it can be modified at any time after that. So long

[1:12:38] as the traffic signal is maintained. I mean, turn lanes can be added whether

[1:12:42] left or right turn. It doesn't require any further action by this body.

[1:12:46] » Yeah. But it's it's city policy. It's city not policy but

[1:12:53] » norm city norm that >> best design practice.

[1:12:56] » Best design practice. Anytime you put in a signal light, you put a left turn.

[1:13:01] » Yeah. I I do want to make sure mention that as you put that left turn in,

[1:13:04] you're just increasing the distance that those people have to walk as well across

[1:13:08] that street. >> Right. And we provide adequate

[1:13:10] pedestrian clearance time for the for the additional roadway width.

[1:13:15] Well, and completely understand. Just because there's more time doesn't mean

[1:13:18] that someone doesn't run a red light and hit and still.

[1:13:21] » Exactly. >> The best design in the world will not

[1:13:23] preclude someone from running a red light.

[1:13:24] » Completely agree. Just it seems odd that we couldn't just approve the signals by

[1:13:29] themselves and then if widening is necessary in the future, we figure out

[1:13:33] the widening that goes through, especially as you work with communities

[1:13:36] to see if that's something that's actually an issue in the future. again

[1:13:40] very supportive of I'm about to vote yes on this but I just wanted to talk

[1:13:44] through that because right now what we're saying is we're approving a

[1:13:47] project that is going to be a million dollars plus which may kick the the can

[1:13:51] down the road that much further as opposed to something that may be a much

[1:13:54] more attainable project in the near term.

[1:13:56] » Okay. So then let me say to uh to to

[1:14:04] Commissioner George >> do you want to modify your motion? Yeah,

[1:14:09] I you know, I think you've your your points are just right on. So, I I I

[1:14:13] would like to modify my motion to uh approve the application um not including

[1:14:19] the widening of the road at this point. Um

[1:14:24] there you go. Appreciate. >> Yeah.

[1:14:26] » Okay. And then I go to the second. Commissioner Littlefield, do you agree

[1:14:30] with the modification and do you continue your second

[1:14:35] or do you >> Look at y'all staring at me.

[1:14:44] There's a lot of things going on in intersections that are controlled by

[1:14:49] lights besides pedestrians. >> Oh yeah,

[1:14:52] » there's lots of things going on. One of them and I've always been taught

[1:14:57] certainly in was if it was a signalized intersection and it didn't have a a

[1:15:03] designated left turn lane, we see rear end accidents all the time. You know,

[1:15:09] where where do you where do you put the value of safety and and life saving when

[1:15:16] you skip one thing to make it safer for another element? when we've had really

[1:15:25] good discussion here today about a human being being present at the intersection

[1:15:30] probably would solve 99% of safety issues with children

[1:15:35] as pedestrians there. >> So, um I don't know if I want to if I

[1:15:40] want to agree seconding your motion.

[1:15:44] » The uh let me ask on the light. Would there still be a left arrow just in just

[1:15:50] in that in >> without a left turn lane? The only way

[1:15:54] you could accommodate something like that would be to attempt a splitphase

[1:15:58] operation, but it would not be very traffic responsive. We would have to use

[1:16:02] a pre-programmed left turn arrow and it would just use our best guess as far as

[1:16:07] the amount of left turn time allotted. >> And to be fair, we're talking about an

[1:16:11] intersection that doesn't meet warrants right now, right?

[1:16:14] » That's correct. So, I mean, the rules of how we would do an intersection based on

[1:16:19] warrants is different than one that doesn't meet warrants. And now we're

[1:16:22] saying, well, but how would this function the best? Well, what we're

[1:16:25] trying to do is talk about kids crossing the street. It's very different than how

[1:16:28] do we move vehicles around here? How we make sure these left turners are getting

[1:16:32] through there? And we may end up with a situation where yes, there could be a

[1:16:38] potential for rear end accidents that happen in the future. I would hope that

[1:16:41] as we are getting closer to actually implementing this project, there would

[1:16:46] be a look at what the AAD is at that time and what turning movements there

[1:16:50] are, what kind of collisions are there, so we could make the determination does

[1:16:53] a widening necessitate now or did we not need it?

[1:16:58] » Well, you could always you could always uh look at it that from the perspective

[1:17:02] that it will never be less expensive to put in a left turn lane to do it now

[1:17:06] than it will be to retrofit it in the future. Yeah.

[1:17:09] » Well, >> from the it sounds like from the

[1:17:14] discussion that we've had, it would be make more sense to have a pedestrian

[1:17:20] crossing light than an actual traffic light. Well, I mean, it's we're talking

[1:17:25] about widening. We're talking about it just it's what you're describing. It

[1:17:30] would make more sense just to have a pedestrian crossing light than the

[1:17:35] actual traffic light, >> but not at that intersection because

[1:17:39] then it creates traffic flow problems because when the when

[1:17:44] » admittedly when the reds go away, who has priority and all this other thing?

[1:17:49] » If you moved it down, >> what move it up? Yeah,

[1:17:52] » I mean move it to the north. That would be correct. I wouldn't have any

[1:17:55] heartburn with that, but it just seems like it would make more sense than an

[1:17:58] actual traffic light if we're going to go the light route instead of a crossing

[1:18:06] guard or with it. Just seems like it would make more sense. It would be able

[1:18:12] to installed without the road work. We're not having to worry about the turn

[1:18:17] lane. uh we don't have to worry about the light functioning whenever the

[1:18:22] school is out >> because the light would still function,

[1:18:25] » you know, whether school's in session or not.

[1:18:27] » And if what we're trying to do is make sure the kids are pedestrians safely,

[1:18:33] then that would make the most sense. >> I've got to ask the applicant if they

[1:18:40] want to submit them. Well,

[1:18:45] I I think a way ahead is to proceed with this

[1:18:50] » to get it on the list, >> right?

[1:18:52] » We all know the list is 10 10 years out, >> right?

[1:18:57] » And then we all know that we're working some short-term issues.

[1:19:01] » Right. And then we're working a medium-term also where the staff is

[1:19:05] going to look at to what would it take to be able to put a midterm crossing at

[1:19:10] the end of that sidewalk up there by the school.

[1:19:14] » If they the applicant, everybody comes back to us and says, "Hey, we this will

[1:19:21] work and it'll be a lot cheaper. Even if we just move the crosswalk up

[1:19:26] there without the signal light, maybe even better."

[1:19:30] that may be even another thing to think about as a short term.

[1:19:35] » But then to go ahead and say, "Okay, we need 200,000 is different than saying we

[1:19:41] need 1 million and if it can be fit into a budget of operating money compared to

[1:19:47] a bond issue." >> Well, that's where city council gets in,

[1:19:51] » right? >> And then we could present all that to

[1:19:53] the city council and say, "This is what is recommended."

[1:19:58] And then once that happens and there's no more need for the light, then

[1:20:02] something comes to us and we say stop it.

[1:20:06] » That's all I'm saying is that that's my recommended flow which is to proceed on

[1:20:12] with this to include the staff recommendation

[1:20:16] » because that's the worst case meaning it costwise worst case costwise

[1:20:23] you know whether it's 700 you know five 500,000 for the light and 500,000 for

[1:20:30] the lane. That's still going to wait for the for the bond.

[1:20:35] » So, am I not able to second his modified recommendation? I'd love to do that.

[1:20:38] » Well, >> yes.

[1:20:39] » You pulled your second. >> I pulled my second.

[1:20:43] » I'll second it. >> You'll second without staff

[1:20:45] recommendation. Okay. So, now we have a motion

[1:20:48] » to approve if we can change when we get that here in a second. once she changes

[1:20:55] it. >> And may I change my vote?

[1:21:00] » Well, we have to here. Yeah. >> You know, it just it moves it from a

[1:21:04] 10-year to a five-year by not by not widening right now. And but then all

[1:21:10] these other steps are still in place, which which you know the moving it up,

[1:21:16] putting the red the the stop, you know, so the crossing guard, I mean, all those

[1:21:21] are in place now also. or will be >> could be.

[1:21:25] » So, you know, I just think it it's the >> Okay, so we have any more talk?

[1:21:33] » Traffic signal >> hit your button.

[1:21:37] If a traffic signal here is approved today and the improve the necessary

[1:21:42] improvements along with it, which is a designated left turn lane, would that

[1:21:48] intersection produce two crosswalks, one to the north and one to the south, or

[1:21:53] would it just be the one remaining crosswalk?

[1:21:57] » You mean uh having crossing going across 198 plus a crossing going across uh pen?

[1:22:03] » No. um >> on the north side of the intersection

[1:22:07] and the south side of the intersection on pin.

[1:22:10] » Oh, >> okay.

[1:22:14] » It would take a separate application for a midblock a signalized midblock

[1:22:18] pedestrian crossing north of 198 Street. >> Okay. That's that was just a question.

[1:22:23] The the comment that I want to make is if it's if it's decided,

[1:22:30] we're coming up with great ideas to help these people. Believe me, I'm not

[1:22:33] arguing with any of that. >> But if we if we decide today to just do

[1:22:38] a light >> and and leave the need for a designated

[1:22:44] left turn lane to the future, that pushes that back into that 10-year realm

[1:22:51] of time, most more likely than not, too. So,

[1:22:58] I'm just saying it. Well, well, what'll happen is

[1:23:03] after five, eight, 10 years when they're starting ready to go for another bond

[1:23:08] and they would look at this, they will they'll go out and do another study.

[1:23:12] They'll look at traffic flow. They'll look at what's all going on. And if they

[1:23:15] determine that they need a left turn and to put it in, then staff would just do

[1:23:21] that. Am I right, sir? >> Yeah.

[1:23:24] » Right. that you know when we make a recommendation and we say to include

[1:23:28] staff that's just so when the staff goes to the budget process and the planning

[1:23:34] process he has us in his back pocket he can pull out and say traffic commission

[1:23:38] said it >> but 8 to 10 years from now traffic is

[1:23:42] double more things are going on there's more of a risk they do their assessment

[1:23:48] they look and go oh the traffic commission didn't say it but they were

[1:23:51] looking at this narrow time >> now it requires this,

[1:23:56] » they just do it. >> They just do it. They don't

[1:23:58] » and they would add it into the project. No, it wouldn't come back to us.

[1:24:01] » Oh, really? Okay. >> You know, that's the the whole re, you

[1:24:06] know, the light is the thing. >> The staff recommendation is part of the

[1:24:12] » planning and and who gets what kind of thing. And if if if

[1:24:16] » if staff can have us as a backend, got >> that helps. So like here, you know,

[1:24:23] let's say that it goes opposite. People move out of the area and there's

[1:24:26] nothing. Well, you know, >> right?

[1:24:28] » That's But that's not going to happen. No.

[1:24:30] » In Oklahoma City, >> it's just going to get worse and we know

[1:24:33] that. >> So whether we go just the light or the

[1:24:38] light with recommendation, we're really just saying the light.

[1:24:43] the the recommendation if staff determines for safety and all that

[1:24:50] that something like that needs to be in there, well, they're just going to do

[1:24:53] it. >> Okay.

[1:24:54] » That's not anything that's our concern. >> Am I correct, staff?

[1:25:00] » Yes. But typically, we put those things in there because u it's it's best for uh

[1:25:06] others who may be looking at this in the future. I mean, there's always staff

[1:25:09] turnover, >> right? that that there's a record that

[1:25:13] turn lane improvements are supposed to be included in a project like this.

[1:25:17] » The uh but if we include it, you're not going

[1:25:22] to put a light in unless you widen it, right? It's not like you're going to

[1:25:26] make that decision, >> right?

[1:25:29] » What I'm saying, I mean, it the light's not going until the w it gets widened if

[1:25:33] it if that's included >> or it' be concurrent. H

[1:25:36] » it would be concurrent though the intersection and

[1:25:39] » this way we can put a light in hopefully a lot quicker for six $700,000 less and

[1:25:46] they can get it and maybe even help fund it a little bit. But uh so that's my

[1:25:52] only I mean >> of course I think the application before

[1:25:54] you is based is all based on pedestrian safety for kids that are leaving that

[1:25:59] are crossing from the west side of Penn to get to school in which case a

[1:26:03] midblock a signalized midblock pedestrian crossing away from 198 street

[1:26:07] could still be an option >> right

[1:26:09] » y >> yeah and that's what what I would

[1:26:13] suggest you all do >> bring that back

[1:26:16] » rightward >> yeah and you all will have to do that.

[1:26:20] You'll have to make that application >> because it won't come back on its own.

[1:26:27] » You you as a group need to think about >> moving that up and getting the red light

[1:26:32] so that there'll be a safe crossing up by the school,

[1:26:36] but you'll have to bring that application

[1:26:39] because they we can't just do it, I don't think. So, you all have to make

[1:26:43] it. Then you'll have that one might only take a year. This one if it gets

[1:26:48] approved might take five years and if we go back to widening it probably take 10

[1:26:53] years. So you know how quick you want to do things.

[1:26:57] » Well let me just throw it out there. >> Yeah.

[1:27:02] An option that could happen is the applicant asked to defer this item

[1:27:08] » until staff and the applicant looks at a possibility of doing a mid block

[1:27:16] crossing >> up there by the school as we were

[1:27:20] talking about at the end of that sidewalk

[1:27:24] » because I I don't want to say to defer this and and immediately go home and

[1:27:30] type one up and submit because I don't know if it can be done. I don't, you

[1:27:34] know, I haven't been out there. Don't know right away. Don't know all

[1:27:39] that kind of stuff. All that probably has to be looked at, right?

[1:27:42] » So, >> so they can they can do a study just on

[1:27:45] your recommendation? >> Uh, no. I would say that

[1:27:50] uh they would probably want to after this item is voted on,

[1:27:57] » they would still want to submit a package. Well, I'm just saying if they

[1:28:00] wanted to defer this, >> they could defer,

[1:28:04] » but then on your recommendation, he can do the the the more further north

[1:28:10] crosswalk. >> Yeah, I was about to say on in this

[1:28:13] particular case, you know, deferring it, withdrawing it, it's not going to change

[1:28:17] the timeline for its construction. If the applicant would like to visit with

[1:28:21] us after this meeting is over and explore options maybe for a a midblock

[1:28:25] pedestrian crossing someplace north of 198th Street. It doesn't have to

[1:28:29] necessarily be right at the uh you know very close to the school's driveway.

[1:28:34] Could be at a location which would allow both to function you know both 198th

[1:28:38] Street and the school driveway to function

[1:28:41] » without with minimal congestion. We can explore that option

[1:28:45] » because then you're only talking minor infrastructure change by creating a a

[1:28:52] sidewalk entrance to the road a pen. >> That's correct.

[1:28:55] » And then the crosswalk, you know, the ADA stuff and then up to the sideway. So

[1:29:00] what he's saying is maybe not even all the way up north to the school between

[1:29:05] the school road and the 198

[1:29:11] » 198 >> 198 somewhere in between there to across

[1:29:15] it. And that way that clears that intersection all the way. Kids don't

[1:29:20] even have to be around all that traffic. It's halfway up. It doesn't affect the

[1:29:25] school entrance. And that might work. And then we can put

[1:29:30] a school uh crossing light there where you push a button, it turns red,

[1:29:36] everybody stops, cross, turns green, recycles. Got to push a button again. Uh

[1:29:43] and it doesn't affect that's a good idea also. And see, that's why I'm saying

[1:29:48] right here is not the place to actually write it out.

[1:29:53] » So the option back to you, we could proceed on with this vote and get it

[1:29:57] going. We could you could say let's defer and let and I could ask the staff

[1:30:01] to just look at everything that we just talked about and talk to you and come

[1:30:06] back with a a different option.

[1:30:12] Yes, sir. I will say that I am having trouble

[1:30:18] supporting a motion

[1:30:23] to do this without addressing all things intersection.

[1:30:27] But I do support taking this for the next 30 days and

[1:30:33] having the applicant and staff have an opportunity to talk about something that

[1:30:39] is in my mind more in line with your thinking

[1:30:43] in time and money and effectiveness. I'm I'm seeing a little bit of a mess at

[1:30:48] this intersection that I'm not comfortable with that I wasn't aware of

[1:30:53] until you guys started bringing up your thoughts. So I would support a a

[1:30:59] continuence. Definitely. >> Ma'am, now that you heard all this,

[1:31:07] maybe you can help us kind of my life for like two years. I know it just you

[1:31:11] can go on and on and on. Um I Is the crossing guard still going to

[1:31:17] be funded? Is that still something that we're

[1:31:19] » Yes, that's something that's going to be looked at. Can we do it?

[1:31:21] » Okay. >> How do we work with Edmond School? How

[1:31:23] do we do it? All that. >> Right. Thank you. I mean, everything

[1:31:26] you've suggested, I promise I'm going to continue to try to work on. Um, I mean,

[1:31:31] I I still think there needs to be some traffic control. I think that Pin is

[1:31:37] just get going to get busier and busier. They're building up like crazy. New

[1:31:40] apartments. Um, our entrance to Loanada, it's not just us leaving. There's

[1:31:45] Castleberry behind us, Skyler's Court. Um, so so it really isn't just Loanata's

[1:31:50] um entrance. So, I I I still like the original solution,

[1:31:57] but with the time being cut in half. >> Oh,

[1:32:03] » yeah. >> Okay.

[1:32:07] » All right. So, counselor.

[1:32:11] » Well, I say whatever we do, >> right?

[1:32:14] » Whatever we do, it has to come from the commission.

[1:32:17] » Correct. Um, so I mean if if we want to defer to the next meeting, then

[1:32:23] Commissioner George could revise his his motion again or we could continue with

[1:32:28] the motion. That's >> where I'm going right now.

[1:32:31] » I think we're at a point. >> All right, we're going back. We

[1:32:36] currently have a motion to approve 5D from Commissioner George, seconded by

[1:32:43] Commissioner Wyn. No votes yet. uh without mentioning staff recommendation.

[1:32:49] That's the current motion on the table. Is that motion stand, Commissioner

[1:32:54] George? >> You know,

[1:32:56] you know, I don't know. I I I kind of think that we

[1:33:01] had to look at that. You know, again, the whole thing is to make it safer for

[1:33:05] the kids as quickly as possible, right? And so I think that 30-day, can we get

[1:33:11] it done in 30 days? you know, um, >> from a from

[1:33:15] » I know it's hard for you all to >> come back.

[1:33:18] » Yeah, from an analysis standpoint, we've got all the data we need.

[1:33:21] » Okay. So, you can do So, I mean, if we do a 30-day until the next uh defer this

[1:33:26] for 30 days, gives you a chance to figure out where the best spot would be

[1:33:31] to move it to the north, how far up. >> We'll work with the applicant on that.

[1:33:36] » Right. Right. And, you know, traffic flows would have would be part of it,

[1:33:39] too. you know, that coming in and out of that school. But, um, and out of that,

[1:33:44] » um, >> you know, and if it and if it comes down

[1:33:47] to just doing the the light again next month, then we can just sure do that.

[1:33:51] You know, and like you said, it's not going to add time. You know, this is a

[1:33:56] years and years out on these lights. You wouldn't think it's not like a stop sign

[1:34:00] where they can put them in pretty quick, but uh, it's years and years out. So, I

[1:34:05] I would move that we defer this resend my second

[1:34:12] and make this my third uh >> motion. No, that's fine.

[1:34:15] » Okay. >> So, there's a third motion now.

[1:34:18] » Yes. >> To defer this item

[1:34:21] » to the next meeting. >> To the next meeting.

[1:34:23] » Yes. >> And Commissioner Wyn,

[1:34:25] » I'll second. >> We have a second by Commissioner. And

[1:34:28] let's wait till she changes the the screen.

[1:34:35] I don't know. It's not popping up. >> There it is. All right. Any other

[1:34:41] discussion on 5D? We understand the applicant may not like

[1:34:47] the uh the affirm it, but if working with the staff, no other solution, this

[1:34:54] item will come back up next month. Okay. So, all right. So, we have a motion from

[1:35:00] Commissioner George, seconded by Commissioner Wyn, to defer item 5D to

[1:35:05] the ne to the next meeting, the one in April. Right.

[1:35:07] » Okay. Can I have your votes, please? >> I'm I'm a yay. My It's not coming up on

[1:35:12] my screen for some reason. >> Okay.

[1:35:15] » Okay. Item has passed, which is to defer to the next meeting. All right. Thank

[1:35:20] you very much. Uh, we go on now to item six, comments from citizens. Anybody out

[1:35:26] there want to say something? Any of the kids want to get up and get on TV? You

[1:35:30] can you can see yourself on uh on you YouTube.

[1:35:35] No. Okay. When we're done, you you can come on up

[1:35:40] here, too, if you want. Okay. Yes, ma'am. You come up to the mic, please.

[1:35:44] » Just a quick question. Will we be notified for the meeting to come and

[1:35:47] speak and hear? >> Oh, you'll be notified right after this

[1:35:50] meeting. And I'd like to leave an invitation if anybody wants to have

[1:35:53] coffee on the corner and come see it in action in the morning, just let us know.

[1:35:57] » All right. Thank you. All right. And then uh

[1:36:02] no comments. So now we go around the room here. Uh reports from the traffic

[1:36:07] commissioners. Item seven. Commissioner Littlefield,

[1:36:10] » you are saved this month. >> All right. Yahoo. Okay. We go to

[1:36:14] Commissioner uh Hail. >> Nothing, sir.

[1:36:17] » Commissioner Win, >> nothing.

[1:36:19] to George. >> No, I don't think so.

[1:36:21] » Okay. Thanks. >> Uh I don't have anything right now. Uh

[1:36:25] counselor, thank you for your help today.

[1:36:28] » Yes, sir. >> Appreciate it. And we even gave you some

[1:36:30] work to do. Some of >> Yeah, I got some work.

[1:36:32] » There you go. Captain, thanks for getting the uh notifying them to go out

[1:36:37] in that area. Hopefully, you'll see them out there and also checking on

[1:36:41] » if they can come into our area and all that. Okay. Appreciate all that. You got

[1:36:45] anything else? >> No report.

[1:36:46] » Okay. Staff, you got anything else? >> Nothing else to add.

[1:36:49] » Anybody have anything else for the traffic commission? All right, we're

[1:36:52] adjourned.

Traffic and Transportation Commission - March 16, 2026

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