[0:00] Commission meeting on August 25th, 2026. To order at 1232.

[0:10] I'm gonna have a roll call, please. Commissioner Garcia. Here.

[0:15] Commissioner McIntosh. Here. Commissioner Sanchez. Pierre. Commissioner Buchsik? Here. Vice

[0:22] Chair Gregory. Here. Chair Blakely. Here. We have a quorum.

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[1:33] a separate meeting. Is there any commissioner who would like

[1:36] to make a motion. Chair, if I may, that's for

[1:44] item 4A, the approval of the minutes for July 28th.

[1:48] And August 11. Mr. Itemprove for The Minutes of July

[1:54] 28th and August 27, okay. Business items. Consideration. We still

[2:00] need a motion in a second. Oh, motion in a

[2:02] second. I motion to approve. Second. Motion by Gregory, second

[2:06] by Vhuksev, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any

[2:11] opposed. Motion carry 60. Thank you guys. Can this is

[2:17] a reaching of a design review for the innovation of

[2:19] an existing building at 72, 700 Fred wearing. Converting the

[2:25] former church building into a medical office building. Can I

[2:29] have a staff report. Yes.

[2:48] Good afternoon, sharing commissioners. My name is Peyton Thomas, an

[2:52] associate planner in the development services department. And today I'll

[2:55] be presenting on permit number DR - 26009. The DIG

[3:02] LLC Medical Center off 72700 Fred wearing drive. The project

[3:12] applicant is Reuben Coronado. The project location is 72700 Fredware

[3:18] in Drive. And the request is the design review approval

[3:21] for a proposed facade modification. To an existing building for

[3:25] DIG LLC Medical Center. Their project includes modification to the

[3:29] architecture, landscape, hardscape, and lighting, and increasing the square footage

[3:34] from 7, 469 square feet to 9, 325 square feet.

[3:44] Years of vicinity mapped show the area of the project

[3:47] site. This is the north side of Fred Waring and

[3:51] it's to the west of Fairhaven Drive. Across from Trader

[3:57] Joe's. Now here we just have the east and west

[4:03] elevations of the proposed project. This is to show the

[4:07] sloping of the roof. As you can see, the highest

[4:09] point is on the south elevation at 28 feet. The

[4:16] northernmost point is at 15 feet height. And here we

[4:26] have the, um, other elevations, the north and south ignore

[4:30] the title, please. Um, here we could see the standing

[4:35] seams as well as the, um, simplification of the North

[4:41] elevation to just double doors. So here we have the

[4:48] existing South elevation. This is the current condition. And then

[4:55] here we have the proposed South elevation. As you can

[4:58] see, um, the existing recession of the existing conditions have

[5:04] been infilled. And that is partially of how the square

[5:08] footage is being added. As well as, um, addition of

[5:12] second story is added as well. So most of the

[5:14] square footage edition is actually just infill of two pop

[5:19] belts, one on the west side and one on the

[5:21] east, as well as infillion entryways on the east elevation.

[5:27] And then as we could see on the south elevation,

[5:29] that infill would be the standing seam. Here we have

[5:36] the existing east elevation. Again, you could see how it

[5:40] is recessed currently with the pop out as well as

[5:44] in the doorways. Then we have the proposed East elevation.

[5:57] And then we have the existing West elevation. Here I

[6:00] included multiple photos, um, to show the existing condition as

[6:05] well as where the mechanical equipment exists currently and where

[6:09] it's going to be proposed as well. It's going to

[6:11] be on the side of the West elevation of the

[6:14] building. And here we have the proposed West Elevation rendering.

[6:25] And then here I included this rendering to show the

[6:29] overall image and also include the roof plan. That just

[6:35] a little bit more clear for presentation purposes just to

[6:38] show that there is no mechanical equipment on the sloped

[6:40] roof. For proposed landscaping, this shows

[6:51] the scope limit as well as some of the plants

[6:54] included in the landscaping, which includes the line of ficus

[6:58] along the west elevation. Which is also included with, there

[7:02] will be a wall as well for screening, but screening

[7:05] the mechanical equipment. As well as inclusion of polo verdes,

[7:11] brittle bush, slipper plants, and other various plants like aloe

[7:16] vero, with, uh, decomposed granite DG. And we have decorative

[7:23] pavers going into the building on the East elevation. Now

[7:31] staff of determined that the findings have been met and

[7:33] recommend the project for approval. If design comments arise during

[7:37] the discussion, staff recommends the ARC outline the request of

[7:40] changes and incorporate the commons as conditions of approval. That

[7:44] concludes my presentation. Thank you. Are there any

[7:54] questions from staff for the commission. There's the applicant have

[8:01] any questions. Thought that was, um. Presentation. Is African.

[8:11] Question. To make sure I understand. I didn't see any

[8:19] demo plans. I want to make sure I understand exactly

[8:23] what I'm looking at. Um. So I understand that the

[8:27] pop - outs on the east and west that are

[8:29] being filled in, I think. Yes. And then on, on

[8:32] the south end, um, I'm looking at, right now I'm

[8:37] looking at A sheet A201. I'm sorry, the north end,

[8:43] the north end. So it's the low end. And the.

[8:50] Um, the thing at the, at the north end that's

[8:54] kind of popping up above the sloped groove. Is that

[8:58] existing or is that, is that been altered by the

[9:02] applicant. Are you describing the kind of column feature that's

[9:08] on the southern elevation that's peeking out on the elevation?

[9:13] No, I'm, I'm referring to the north end of the

[9:15] building at the low, low end of the roof. There's

[9:19] a piece that pops up above the sloped roof. Kind

[9:26] of a boxy. Oh, yes, the paraffin. Yeah. What is

[9:30] that added. Um, based off what I saw that parapet

[9:35] was already existing. You're saying that three feet parapit on

[9:41] the end. How slopes all the way down and then

[9:44] it picks back up at that last. Well, it's flat

[9:49] on the top. The thing I'm looking at, I'm looking

[9:51] at the west exterior elevation on sheet eight, 201. And

[9:55] I'm looking at the right end of it. Okay. Yes.

[10:05] And what you're describing is that end the northernmost piece

[10:09] that has the three foot parapit. I guess it's a

[10:13] three foot pair pit. Okay. Yes. Kind of jogs up.

[10:19] Yeah. Bottom left corner. Okay. Okay. You can look at

[10:23] the bottom left or the upper right. Yeah. It's the

[10:26] same form. And is that existing. The parapet now. Yeah.

[10:32] Okay. We'll leave that one for the apple. Yeah. Okay.

[10:36] Based off of existing conditions from the aerial you could

[10:39] see a little bit of change, but he'll describe more

[10:42] about the paradigm. We'll leave that for the applicant. Another

[10:50] questions. Okay. I have a question. This being check against

[10:55] historical preservation ordinance.

[11:06] Let me get back to you on that one. I

[11:12] have a question. Uh, so this whole package is all

[11:16] proposed changes. There is nothing in here indicating existing conditions.

[11:22] Is that correct? Let's. See. You're saying showing. Well, so

[11:29] the point of us even talking about this project is

[11:33] that they're proposing significantly altering an existing building. And all

[11:40] that we see in this package front of us and

[11:45] from the presentation. That evokes anything existing or at the

[11:49] photographs, but we can't see like an existing demo and

[11:54] proposed plan compare that to a floor plan or a

[11:58] site plan. So it's hard for us unless we hear

[12:02] it from you as far as infilling to get that

[12:04] square footage. We can't really see it. I understand what

[12:09] you're saying. We have included the, uh, yeah, the floor

[12:14] plan is included, but the demo plan is not included.

[12:22] Sheriff, I may. I know, um, as far as what's

[12:26] typically shown, what we have as far as our design

[12:29] review checklist, it doesn't include, um, what's existing. It just

[12:34] includes what's being proposed. I know it's typical that we

[12:36] do receive it. Um, but however, it's not, it's something

[12:41] that we can make a modification to if that's something

[12:44] that the architecture, review commission is concerned about. But as

[12:48] far as our checklist, the way that it's set up,

[12:50] it doesn't have what the existing designs are. As part

[12:54] of the required checklist. Can we make a motion on

[13:01] that that we'd like to see that? Or how does

[13:02] that work. It would be a separate item. On the

[13:09] motion you mean? Not for this motion, but for, um,

[13:13] follow - up discussion. Okay. Thank you. From the pictures,

[13:19] the existing building, the north end of the building has

[13:26] Commissioner Buksey pointed. It seems to be following the slope

[13:30] of the build. But we'll need clarification. Off if that's

[13:37] a new. Parpet flat roof on the back. Or you're

[13:42] just in closing the opening. So it's not clear. And

[13:51] that's something we'll have the applicant clarify. Any more questions.

[14:01] At this time I'll open the public period. I invite

[14:05] the applicant providing additional information. That they can.

[14:20] State your name. Cornado. Nice to see everyone. So, uh,

[14:26] to talk about the back area there on the south

[14:30] side. So what we had to do is we had

[14:33] to raise the ceiling. Because we had to create the

[14:36] MR shielding for the, for the, uh, MRI machine. So

[14:41] that there was an existing parapet, but we did have

[14:44] to raise the parapet because I had to raise the

[14:46] roof structure. To accommodate for the MR shielding. So yes,

[14:52] there already was an existing parapet, but we had to

[14:54] increase it a little bit because I had to increase

[14:56] the, uh, the roof height in that area. So it

[15:03] was raised a little bit here to accommodate that. Thank

[15:08] you. Anything else you want to explain that she did

[15:12] a good job? Yeah. So in regards to the floor

[15:16] plan essentially, I hadn't changed the footprint of the building.

[15:20] The footprint of the building literally remains the same. It's

[15:24] just the open patios that are in the building have

[15:27] just literally been enclosed in that area. So if you

[15:30] take a look at A dash 100. 1. Uh, on

[15:38] the bottom side there where you see the elevation, we

[15:42] pretty much just enclosed that area. Cause right now that

[15:44] interior area is just a open area. That transients pretty

[15:48] much hang out in that area right now. So we

[15:50] closed that out. On the west side, Office 101, that

[15:57] structure remains the same. We're essentially just infilling the exterior

[16:01] wall. On the west side. And that area pretty much

[16:06] stayed exactly the same. And we're adding a standing seam

[16:09] one inch batten seam roof to that area. On the

[16:12] east side, I will be removing that, that arched opening.

[16:18] And this will be a new, uh, extrusion build out

[16:21] here. But the footprint remain the same. And I just

[16:24] squared it off so that I can have more room

[16:26] inside for the lobby area. Uh, everything else that you

[16:30] see on here is existing exterior structure. If you go

[16:36] to sheet A dash 100. 2. And the hallway 133.

[16:44] Essentially that area back to those walls that you see

[16:47] to the, to the left is all open patio. You

[16:50] can see I essentially closed off that exterior wall. And

[16:54] that's, and that's how we pretty much were able to

[16:56] gain the additional square footage to create a hallway for

[16:59] all of the new imaging and office areas. So that's

[17:05] essentially what we did to close off the area. There

[17:07] was no square footage edition other than the footprint that

[17:10] was already remaining. Also the architectural features of the building

[17:15] all remain the same. I'm not changing any of the

[17:17] exterior structure of the building at all. Other than that

[17:21] back South area where we're raising the ceiling to create

[17:24] that parapet to raise it for the CT scan. If

[17:29] you go to sheet A dash 100. 3. Uh, we've

[17:33] created a mezzanine, a storage mezzanine on the second floor

[17:40] for their, uh, secured, uh, expensive medical, you know, whatever

[17:45] they have up there. Uh, so that's what we've did

[17:48] on the second floor. But all encapsulated within the existing

[17:51] structure of the building. Because this was a church that

[17:54] area was raised and we had substantial space to add

[17:56] that square footage. A 110, that's just the window. Windows,

[18:06] I mean, the door schedule. A101 is the exterior window

[18:10] schedule. Uh, A130 is the roof plan. And you can

[18:14] see the modifications that we made to the roof on

[18:17] the, on the south side here. We've, you know, included

[18:21] that, you know, included the raised pair of pits here.

[18:25] We're going to have a fiber type roof and the

[18:28] sloping is going to go to an existing drainage that

[18:31] was already in place in those locations. Uh, on the

[18:35] west side here, or the east side, we have the

[18:39] build out that I was talking about with the roof.

[18:41] That's also going to be a fiber type roof system.

[18:44] And I've added a drain system there as well for

[18:46] it to drain off of that roof. And essentially the

[18:49] roof will drain as it originally drained from the previous,

[18:54] uh, build out. Um. These are the exterior elevations. Um,

[19:01] I do have existing elevations that I can present if

[19:05] you guys need to see them. That's not a problem.

[19:08] They've already been created. But essentially you're essentially going to

[19:12] see the same exact view because there's really no architectural

[19:16] portions that I'm actually modifying other than accentuating the removing

[19:20] the cross and putting the stone veneer at the front

[19:24] entrance on the north side. And then raising the parapet

[19:28] there for the MRI room. Other than that, and on

[19:33] A10, you'll see on A201. That's the new, uh, pop

[19:39] out here that we did for the front entranceway. And

[19:44] you can see these in the color renderings where the

[19:47] openings there. I've enclosed it. Remove the cross. We're going

[19:51] to be putting the stone. On the existing on A202.

[19:57] That will be removed. And then new facade will be

[20:00] put on the new entrance way. On the. East side

[20:08] here. You can see this all essentially remains the same

[20:11] other than in closing. You can't see it because the

[20:14] tree's in the way. But essentially it's the same thing.

[20:16] This, the area on, uh, A203 on the upper right

[20:20] - hand corner. Looks exactly the same as A202 on

[20:25] the lower right - hand corner. Those two openings are

[20:30] essentially exactly the same. We're just in closing it here

[20:34] on the other one because we're able to make those

[20:36] offices work within the existing space. A - 204 is

[20:42] just the color. Pretty much the exterior colors. We're going

[20:47] to match the adjacent buildings because the doctors own. That

[20:50] was Jason buildings there. So it's just going to be

[20:53] a smooth plaster. A smooth white plaster. Um, we have

[20:57] reglets. Those one inch reglets that we're going to incorporate

[21:00] here to try to give it a little bit more

[21:02] pop. And we have the stone. On the north side.

[21:07] And then we're going to be having the staggered. We're

[21:11] going to be having the, you know, standing seam on

[21:13] the pop out on the roof. And for the vertical

[21:17] features, it's going to be a vertical panel staggered seam.

[21:21] It's more of like an inverted standing seam system. And

[21:24] you can see a little bit more of that. If

[21:26] you take a look on A205 on the upper right

[21:30] - hand corner, it kind of gave you a picture

[21:33] of kind of what that will look like. The lower

[21:36] area on H - 205, that's the standing seam. That

[21:41] will be sitting on the adjacent roof on the east

[21:44] side. I'm proposing at this point that it's a matte

[21:48] black. And then for a little bit more detail on

[21:55] the sections on A300, you can essentially see kind of

[21:59] here what I'm doing. Especially on the south side that

[22:01] you guys talked about raising this area. This is essentially

[22:05] the, you know, a section cut through that area to

[22:08] kind of show what's going on. Also you can see

[22:11] on F10, on A300. The section cut here through the

[22:17] new entryway. And what the difference correlation would be on

[22:22] the east side versus the west side there for the

[22:25] leaving the existing area filled in with the standing seam

[22:28] and the new entrance build out. Uh, A301 provides a

[22:36] little bit more detailed information in regards. I have a

[22:41] question. I don't know if I'm going too much on

[22:43] this, but no question. Yeah. Keep continue. Okay. Yeah. A301,

[22:48] that's just a little, uh, better cross section of that

[22:50] existing condition and how we're infilling that new wall area.

[23:00] And that's essentially it for the architectural. If you guys

[23:03] have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

[23:05] Okay. Thank you. Um, is there any member of the

[23:09] public who would like to comment on this item? Please

[23:11] raise your hand to speak. If you are joining the

[23:13] meeting by telephone, please press star nine to raise your

[23:17] hand to speak. None. Okay. Now we can ask questions

[23:23] at the applicant. Okay for she 300, A300 on your

[23:31] sections. Why is some of the lines are dashed and

[23:35] some are. Solid doesn't mean. Oh. Those are just gas.

[23:47] Sorry. Uh, yeah, those are areas are just dashed because

[23:51] I caught a cross section through them and it just

[23:52] kind of indicating of cutting through the wall in that

[23:55] area. It's not demolition. No, this is everything that you

[24:01] see on these plans is all new construction. Essentially for

[24:05] the demolition, the interior, we've already gutted the entire inside

[24:10] of the existing building here now. So, and we already

[24:13] got demolition permit and all that's already been completed. And

[24:17] all abatements all been done already as well. But we've

[24:20] essentially gutted the entire inside of this. The new construction

[24:23] would just be infilling the patio portions. And going on

[24:28] the inside from there. Uh, I got a question for

[24:36] you. On your sheet A204. It says

[24:45] East elevation. I think it's supposed to be west, right?

[24:53] Is this the only place where you're calling out the

[24:55] MS2, which is the standing seam metal roof. Correct. Microphone.

[25:05] Should I just leave it on? Still breathe heavy. So

[25:11] yeah, the MS2 is only going to be on that

[25:14] on the, uh, west side, correct? So is it more

[25:18] of a fascia detail than an actual roof? I mean,

[25:21] are we seeing the, just a standing sea metal roof

[25:23] that I'm going to add to that right now. It

[25:25] just has a plaster finish on top of it. I'm

[25:28] going to, I'm going to add the standing seam to

[25:30] help bring in more of the standing seam elements around

[25:34] the building to help tie it together. But do you

[25:37] really, you don't really see it, right? I mean, if

[25:39] you go up to A203, you've got a nice perspective.

[25:44] Kind of coming from the southwest that looks at it,

[25:47] right? Yes. So yeah, that's pretty much what you'll see.

[25:51] Obviously we'll be cleaning up some of the landscaping there

[25:53] so you can hopefully see the building a little bit

[25:54] better. But yes, that tree is to remain in that

[25:57] area. The tree. You're the palm? Well, the tree there

[26:01] and there's palms in front of it. Okay. Well, I

[26:04] was just thinking that, you know, you're not really seeing

[26:06] too much of your standing sea metal roof, right? It's

[26:09] more of a fascia detail. Facial. It's just the roof

[26:15] system that we're going to be putting on there to

[26:16] help alleviating type of leaks that would also be going

[26:19] on top of that roof as well. I think it'll

[26:21] help. Cause right now it's just an open, it's just

[26:24] an open area. What's probably leaks like crazy. So I

[26:27] introduce a standing scene to help mitigate any leakage in

[26:30] that area and kind of make sure that we're sealing

[26:32] it off correctly. Right. But was that an Architectural decision?

[26:37] I mean, I'm just wondering, cause you don't really see

[26:38] it. Right. I mean, it's kind of a flat slope.

[26:41] Yes. It was an architectural decision. Like I said to

[26:45] make sure that we handle any water leaks or water

[26:49] mitigation into that new area. So are you rolling those

[26:52] ribs down on that fascia detail? Is that what really

[26:55] makes it look? If you take a look at A301.

[27:06] If you go to A301, it's pretty much a detailed

[27:10] description here of what we're looking to do. So if

[27:12] you look at A7, A301, that's how we're going to

[27:16] be finishing up regarding the slanted area to help make

[27:19] sure that they're on getting any waters through that, through

[27:21] that cracked area there. We also have the Eve and

[27:24] then we also have the general wheat screen detail at

[27:27] the bottom. A11. So, so it really doesn't wrap down

[27:36] into a fascia detail at all, right? Correct. It's just

[27:39] the standing seam on top of the roof. The face

[27:41] of that would be plastered to match the rest of

[27:43] the exterior of the building. Right. Yeah. It's just so

[27:47] flat. It's too bad we're going to miss out on

[27:49] a good visual on it. Maybe we cut down the

[27:52] tree there. Yeah. By the way, before I, I don't

[27:56] want to sound just critical all the time. Nice set

[27:58] of drawings by the way. I appreciate that. Thank you.

[28:01] Um, I noticed on your roof plan. So it looks

[28:05] like we're going to keep all the mechanical equipment on

[28:08] the weth side of the building. Yes, sir. Nothing's going

[28:11] on the roof. Yes, exactly correct. Yes, sir. Okay. Is

[28:14] that Ruf Hatch existing up there? That's a new roof

[28:17] hatch that I do need to create to make sure

[28:19] that we can get on because the knot currently one

[28:21] there now. Why do you need one? If the guy

[28:25] put a roof hatch on it and get on the

[28:26] roof versus somebody stacking a ladder up on the side,

[28:29] it's a little more little safer. But if we need

[28:31] to remove it, I have no, you don't need to

[28:33] remove it. I'm just hoping you're not going to put

[28:35] any equipment up there. Zero equipment's going on there. As

[28:38] you can see, if you take a look at the

[28:39] site plan G010, pretty much the second sheet. Okay. Pretty

[28:47] much all of the equipment is going out there. We

[28:50] have nothing on the roof. Just when we see roof

[28:52] hatches typically, we see equipment. It's just pretty much to

[28:56] get access in case anything gets up on the roof

[28:58] where roof trains need to be re cleaned or anything

[29:01] like that. And some are safe for somebody to get

[29:03] up onto the roof and do whatever they need to

[29:05] do. Good. Okay. Um, one, I think important architectural question

[29:11] I have. You've got that nice vertical. Mass. That currently

[29:18] has the crucifix on it. And you're going to collat

[29:20] it in this. Eldorado stone. Correct. You got really two

[29:26] really nice outside edges outside corners. Right. Have you been

[29:32] successful in bringing those veneers together in an outside corner?

[29:38] Thousand percent we have. Yes. We're going to, I'm going

[29:40] to miter those. I want to, I like to miter

[29:42] those corners. Okay. Plus they also plus if we can't

[29:50] miter it. They also have corner pieces that you can

[29:52] install in the corner of those areas as well. Yeah.

[29:55] Yeah. Okay. I just think that would be really important

[29:58] to pay attention to that detail. I mean, that's going

[30:01] to be really sticking out. Stone's going to get your

[30:03] attention. I've seen unfortunate applications where people didn't pay attention

[30:08] to that detail. And it just kind of kills the

[30:10] whole thing. Whereas with yours, um, I'm glad to hear

[30:15] you guys are thinking about that and making sure, cause

[30:19] I didn't quite, I didn't see a detail in the

[30:21] set about mydering or anything like that. Yep. I don't

[30:25] have that on here, mydering, but I'm here with the

[30:28] contractor here as well. And, you know, we work together

[30:31] on these things. So it's a, it's a kind of

[30:34] a design build type thing. So we make sure that

[30:36] we look at those type of things and make sure

[30:38] it looks nice. I want that to look nice. So

[30:42] for sure I'm going to make sure that that's going

[30:43] to look good at the end of the day. Yeah.

[30:45] No, like I said, you did a great job here.

[30:47] Great set of drawings. And I think you did great

[30:50] with the building form. Kind of keeping true to form

[30:53] what was there and sort of modernizing it. But, um,

[30:58] yeah, if we could just make sure that those details,

[31:02] you know, are included in the approval. That'd be really

[31:06] important. Sure. That was it for my comments. I got

[31:11] one second. Are we still at questions to the applicant?

[31:18] Yes. Okay. That should have been questions, not comment. Um,

[31:26] looking at your roof plan A130, you're identifying a scupper

[31:32] at the north end of the, called the major slope

[31:36] right when it hits the new parapet of your, um.

[31:40] Your scanner room. What shooting? A130, your roof plan.

[31:51] So. I'm just curious. The main existing roof has a

[31:56] pretty significant slope, right? Correct. And but there is still

[31:59] a ridge going down the middle of it. Correct. So

[32:02] water is probably going to be shedding off the roof

[32:04] on each side before it even gets down to the

[32:07] bottom where you have this new parapet. North end of

[32:10] the building. Um. Even with the scupper there, um, do

[32:18] you have a section that goes right through the middle

[32:19] of that. I'm just, I'm wondering. Even if it's necessary,

[32:28] um, to have a scupper there. And that if you

[32:33] did run. Oh, you mean in the middle where it

[32:35] transitions to the other side? Yeah. Straddling your ridge line

[32:38] going through the parapet. Yeah. I've also talked to Al

[32:41] Miller about this as well. I've talked to the roofers

[32:44] here as well. We're probably going to open that up

[32:47] even more because he's saying it's just better for it

[32:49] to sheet flow into that area. Essentially, that's what it's

[32:51] doing now. So yes, there won't, there won't be a

[32:55] scupper there. We're going to just open that up. And

[32:57] it's just going to sheet flow into that area. But

[33:01] then those two little scuppers on the northwest corner and

[33:04] the northeast corner would be sufficient for any of that

[33:07] runoff. That's exactly what is doing now. That's exactly how

[33:13] the runoff is happening at this current stage now. Do

[33:17] you know what the existing slope is on that main

[33:19] roof. I do not, I'd have to go back to

[33:24] my plans and get that actual existing slow. There wasn't

[33:28] a lot of as build information to go off for

[33:32] this project since it was back in the 50s or

[33:34] something, I think when this thing was. Yeah. And if

[33:37] it's just going to follow that kind of gentle ever

[33:41] increasing slope from the south end and the north end,

[33:44] it then has a cross slope, which would take any

[33:46] of that runoff over the edges. Okay. Thank you. Question.

[33:55] Oh, so. Your elevations are labeled. Wrong, right? The east

[34:03] means the west, the north, missed out. And so forth.

[34:07] Uh, no, the north means the north. The south means

[34:10] the south. East in the west. I thought I had

[34:18] that correctly there, but I guess what's your question on

[34:21] in regards to that other one? Um, the new roof

[34:25] over by the, uh, what it's going to be the

[34:27] lobby, the entry. Yes. Right now is this loping roof

[34:32] and you are putting a standing same fascia flat roof.

[34:43] Because without the existing conditions of demolition planner or existing

[34:48] section. Can't tell if the proposed rule for your on

[34:53] the east. It's neo - war existent. So if you

[34:56] go to A300, right. And go to F10, the middle

[35:04] one and the. Left - hand side, that is the

[35:08] existing roof slope as it stands now. All I've done

[35:13] is enclose the exterior wall and add it standing seam

[35:17] to that portion. When you go to the right -

[35:20] hand side, I have demolished that existing entranceway. And now

[35:24] I'm creating this new, the new pop - out entranceway

[35:29] here. You can see with parapets and as drains, where

[35:33] everything to drain properly as well. Um, so that's essentially,

[35:39] did I answer your question? Right. It's the existing entries

[35:44] being demolished. And you put in a new roof for

[35:48] the answer. Correct. But on this section cut, essentially the

[35:54] existing section cut would just essentially look exactly like the

[35:59] left - hand side. On the right - hand side

[36:02] being removed.

[36:14] I have one more question. And looking at L. Preliminary

[36:19] Landscape Plan. Is the main entrance to the building going

[36:24] to be the bottom right kind of cross. Which kind

[36:29] of has an E dot T just below it. Is

[36:32] that the main entrance to the building. Yeah. E. T.,

[36:37] yes. That door right there is the new, is the

[36:38] main entrance to the building, correct? Golding into the lobby.

[36:43] And then above that where there is additional paver. To

[36:48] the left of Mediterranean fan palm, um, that basically looks

[36:52] like patio right off of a long hallway. Correct. Okay.

[36:57] And that hallway is not for, uh, patients to go

[37:01] through. That's more of an exit. It's, it's for both.

[37:05] Right. So they'll come into the lobby. And either they'll

[37:08] meet in the exam rooms adjacent to the lobby. And

[37:13] you meet with the doctor. Or they'll be pre -

[37:16] scheduled to already have, uh, imaging session where they go

[37:20] into the area, going to the dress and rooms. And

[37:24] then from there, they would be going through those corridors

[37:26] to get to the MRI or the CT scan. Or

[37:29] whatever treatment that they would be going to do. So

[37:32] yes, it's an exit corridor as well. Plus it's plus

[37:36] the doctors also like to have an entrance other than

[37:39] the front entrance as well. They usually like to enter

[37:41] the building. Uh, but essentially none of the clients that

[37:46] would be going there would be using these doors. They

[37:49] would be coming in and out to front entrance. Uh,

[37:51] the other doors are primarily for employees, but the hallway

[37:54] will be used by both clients and the employees and

[37:59] doctors. I have a question. On L2

[38:09] landscape imagery. You have three types of, um, ground material,

[38:14] rock material. Decouples granite, fresh rock, three quarter cross rock.

[38:19] And a boulders. But on the planting plan, I don't

[38:22] really see how that's late being laid out is that

[38:27] just missing from the plan or do I have outdated

[38:29] plans. What's. So I do have my landscape architect on

[38:36] the call here. Maybe it's better that he responds to

[38:38] those. Okay. Um.

[38:51] My name is Alex Kazukis. I'm the landscape architect. And

[38:56] actually, thanks for pointing that out. We're, we're not going

[39:00] to have the crushed rock proposed on the project anymore.

[39:07] So we'll remove, we would remove that. So it's just

[39:10] going to be DG and the boulders, right? I'm sorry.

[39:19] Um, yes, it's just going to be DG. Okay. Thank

[39:24] you. Another question I had was, um, the rest of

[39:28] the parking lot is part of this property. Right? We

[39:31] just, uh, updating planting as needed, uh, specify on your

[39:35] plans. Sorry. What was the question.

[39:45] So on L1, I have callouts for existing plan mature

[39:50] to remain dead or dying plants to be replaced as

[39:53] needed. I'm assuming that the rest of the parking lot

[39:56] is still part of this, um, project. Right. Um, it's

[40:03] not part of the landscape project, but, um, I guess

[40:09] it's, it might be a part of, uh, the Reuben's

[40:12] parking and all that. I guess I can feel this.

[40:17] Yeah. So, um, yeah, the existing parking area that's there

[40:21] is to remain as, however, it was other than trying

[40:24] to clean it up here at this point. But it

[40:26] is part of the property? It is part of their

[40:28] property, correct? Okay. Thank you. Off you off that. If

[40:34] the existing planting is to remain is the new planting,

[40:40] uh, reflecting or kind of caring consistent specimens and ground

[40:46] cover. For example, if we're calling out for new California

[40:50] Gold DG, um, is that existing already, uh, in these

[40:54] medians, uh, do we have existing. Chilean mesquites or blue

[41:03] Palo Verde. In these medians? Like, are we being consistent.

[41:10] If we're leaving the existing as it is. Yeah. That

[41:13] was the intent to stay consistent. It's currently, um, drought

[41:20] tolerant, um, sparse planting. And we're going to be sticking

[41:24] with that theme. And we're, we're, um, sharing a lot

[41:27] of the same, uh, trees that are existing. We're, we're,

[41:32] uh, implementing them in the new plans as well.

[41:54] Any more comments, questions. Questions. Um, I have, uh, I

[42:01] have a question. I'm going to go back to the,

[42:03] to the roof, the long existing roof. Um. Just cause

[42:10] I'm a little, little confused about what's happening there. I've

[42:14] never, I've never seen anything like that. Where you have

[42:17] a roof, you know, that's a hundred feet long or

[42:19] something. It's all sloping from the high point to the

[42:23] low point. Looking for the roof plan now. Except there's

[42:27] a ridge in the middle of it that doesn't seem

[42:29] to have. A purpose. I'm looking at the big arrows

[42:33] that are pointing north. They're going to the low point

[42:37] of the roof. And is that, is there really a

[42:42] ridge there? There is. Okay. So is it causing the

[42:45] water to actually like shed off and go down the

[42:49] sides of the building instead of just run down to

[42:52] the bottom? The roof is actually kind of like a

[42:54] V. So this roof is in caving like this. Oh,

[43:00] so, so it's a low in the, it's not a

[43:02] ridge. It's a valid. It's a valley. It's low in

[43:06] the middle. That's better. So the water is coming and

[43:09] that's why it's shooting right down the middle of this

[43:11] thing. And you can tell when you go inside the

[43:13] building, you can see the trusses are inverted. In creating

[43:18] that valley. So yeah, the ridgeline. It is, it is

[43:21] depressed. Okay. So that's what's creating that valley for the

[43:26] water to sheet flow into the lower area. That's much,

[43:28] much better. Now that scupper makes sense. Yes. Much, much

[43:31] better. Okay. Sorry for that. I mislabeled that. No, no

[43:36] worries. Um, and did you say that that roof is

[43:41] covered with fiber type. The existing roof right now that

[43:45] sits there right now as a built up roof system.

[43:48] Right. And, and the main component of it, it's relatively

[43:50] in good shape. And to save costs for the owner,

[43:54] we tried to keep it in place. It was just

[43:56] the areas that were remodifying that I am putting a

[44:00] fiber type roof on the back end here to make

[44:02] sure everything drains properly. Also on the new area and

[44:06] then standing seam on the, on the, uh, other pop

[44:10] out there on the right left hand side. Okay. So

[44:14] that, that big roof, existing roof in the middle, that's

[44:17] going to remain a built up root. Okay. Okay. I

[44:24] don't have any other questions. Right. Anybody else any questions

[44:29] or we. Ve got it. Chair, if I may, um,

[44:33] I know the question was asked as far as the

[44:36] historic, if they had it been evaluated. So this site

[44:40] previously went through a change of zones. So it was

[44:43] previously designated differently. And then the zone was changed. Um,

[44:48] as far as the date and the age of the

[44:50] building, it does fall within the criteria of possibly being

[44:54] historic. But as far as any type of designations, it's

[44:58] not a part of any designation. So, um, for the

[45:01] certificate of appropriateness would be the vehicle for us to

[45:05] evaluate that. If it was designated as a historic resource,

[45:10] since it's not designated, then we don't have, um, the

[45:14] direction that we've been given from counsel is to, um,

[45:18] give the property owners the ability to make modifications to

[45:22] their buildings. So that's the direction that we've been given.

[45:26] It is listed on the recent survey for Circle potentially

[45:31] historical. So our survey is, we do have a survey

[45:35] and it is on that list. However, that list is

[45:38] not a certified list. So if it was certified, then

[45:42] if they would be required to go through that certificate

[45:45] of appropriateness process for the historic preservation aspect of it.

[45:50] But since it's not, it's not designated and it's not

[45:54] recognized certified lists by the city. Then it does not

[45:58] have to go through that process. We're good to go,

[46:01] as they say. Correct. Okay. That was the question. All

[46:06] right. No other questions than, uh, should we, uh, make

[46:12] a motion or see what we can do with this

[46:14] project. Or do you have discussion. I've discussed. Okay. Let's

[46:18] do discussion. All right. Um, yeah, I guess I'll go

[46:25] ahead and start it off. Um, so. Yeah, I, I,

[46:30] uh, first of all, I agree. It's really nice set

[46:33] of plans. Um, you guys do good work. Um, but

[46:37] I have to, I have to critique some of the

[46:40] design that I'm looking at here. Um, you know, and,

[46:45] and regardless of the building being historic or not, I

[46:49] didn't even cross my mind. It's a, it's a very

[46:54] elegant design. It's, it's a really interesting unique striking design

[47:01] because it's such a simple form. Um, and the, the

[47:07] pieces that are coming off to the east and west

[47:10] that we've been talking about, um, you know, they're also

[47:14] simple and have an elegance to them. Um, I think

[47:19] the one on the west that's being filled in with

[47:22] the standing seam roof on top. I think that's fine.

[47:25] It's very simple. Um, I think you will, you will

[47:28] see the standing seam. I think, you know, it's surprising

[47:32] when something has an angle to it how you might

[47:34] think you're not going to see it, but yeah, you

[47:36] end up seeing it. Um, the, the appendage on the

[47:41] east side, that's your new entrance. Um, I was having

[47:46] a hard time kind of figuring that out because in

[47:49] the, in the 3D images, it keeps getting covered up

[47:52] with trees. I can't see it in the 3D images.

[47:56] Um, so I have to rely on the elevations. And

[48:00] I can see the existing form. I'm looking at sheet

[48:04] 8202. And in the bottom right I see what's their

[48:08] existing. And I'm sure it's, you know, it's in bad

[48:13] shape and whatnot. Um, but from a design standpoint, I

[48:17] see an elegance that I really like. I think that

[48:21] new entrance that you're proposing looks like it belongs on

[48:25] a different building, not this one. Um, I think you

[48:29] could make an entrance that is at least inspired by

[48:34] what's, what's their currently. And, you know, keep it simple.

[48:38] It doesn't have to cost a lot or, or be

[48:41] something crazy, but just something simple and elegant, like, like

[48:46] the building. And that looks like a part of the

[48:49] building. Um. And then in the back. That piece I

[48:58] asked about, um, in the beginning, cause I wasn't sure

[49:01] if that was an addition or not, um, sort of

[49:04] the same thing. You know, the existing building just has

[49:07] this roof that slopes from, it's high on the south

[49:11] then and it slopes down to the north end really

[49:14] strong, simple form. And what you're proposing there looks like

[49:22] in addition. Um, that doesn't really. Compliment the building very

[49:30] well. Um, I think that whatever you do on the,

[49:35] on that north end needs to have a little more

[49:39] elegance to it to tie into that strong form that

[49:42] you're working with. You have a really. I think good

[49:45] opportunity here. I liked when I, when I first looked

[49:47] at this, before I really started studying the pieces and

[49:51] I was looking at sheet 8202 and I looked at

[49:53] proposed and I looked at the existing up at the

[49:56] top of that sheet, I don't know if you can

[49:57] put it up on the screen or not, Peyton.

[50:18] Give me one moment. Okay.

[50:37] Sheet A202. Oh, okay. Let's see. Oh. Let me, okay.

[50:48] My apologies and share the wrong screen. You were saying

[50:53] the proposed elevation screen? Yeah. If you just go to

[50:57] 8202. Right now I just, it would

[51:07] take me a little bit longer to pull up the

[51:09] project exhibits. I could pull up what I had on

[51:11] that presentation. Okay. Do you have a sheet that shows

[51:16] the existing and proposed.

[51:29] All right. It looks like it's, it's broken up. Maybe.

[51:34] I have it broken up here. All right. Let's give

[51:40] me a moment. I could pull up the plans, but

[51:42] for now I just have the, that's all right. Okay.

[51:45] I don't want everyone to just have to sit here

[51:47] too long. Um, but in, and everyone can see their

[51:51] own sheet 8202. Um, I looked at it, I looked

[51:55] at that and went, wow, this is really cool. You

[51:57] know, I like, I like basically what you guys are

[52:00] doing. I think it's great. Um, and, and, uh, you're

[52:04] taking, uh, special building, um, you're refreshing it. Um, so

[52:10] I'm really, really excited about that. Um, it's just when,

[52:14] when you start looking at some of the pieces, it's

[52:16] like, Oh man, you know, and this is like our,

[52:19] our one chance at this, once this is built, it's

[52:22] going to look like that for 50 years. So, um,

[52:26] I want to make sure that, you know, everyone's happy

[52:29] and excited about it in the end. So that's why

[52:33] I made those comments I made about those different appendages.

[52:37] Um. And there are some details. But those are, I

[52:43] think I'm going to stick with the broad brush important

[52:45] one. I think are important things. And I've mentioned them.

[52:54] I'd like to jump in if we can keep that

[52:56] pay job. Kind of, um, harking back to what Commission

[53:01] of Bucks Aquish is mentioning now with this simple but

[53:04] elegant roof line. And to, um, Commissioner McIntosh was asking

[53:09] about earlier with this El Dorado Stone cladding on the

[53:12] south end, which is, uh, arguably the most prominent end

[53:17] of the building. Um. If you look at the proposed

[53:23] in the existing part of the elegance of the existing

[53:26] was that this southmost end of the cross, the holding

[53:30] the crucifix maintained the slope of the building. And if

[53:34] you look at the image here in the top right,

[53:36] you can see that that slope continues his trajectory up

[53:38] to the cross. Um, yet in the proposed, uh, where

[53:44] kind of abandoning that relationship by raising what looks like

[53:48] a chimney now, uh, a few feet above the, um,

[53:51] southernmost call it perpendicular roof edge. And, um, I, I,

[53:59] I want to say that, you know, what we're looking

[54:02] at here is an improvement to what's existing. But I

[54:05] am concerned about that one corner. And it could be,

[54:09] um, corner meeting that call it chimney element. It could

[54:13] be a combination of the changed roof line. Um, and

[54:17] the material, uh, usage. But, um, you know, the very

[54:21] strong. Material change on the southeast corner where we're infilling

[54:29] what was kind of a covered outdoor area, um, standing

[54:35] seam metal element. And it just feels a little, it

[54:40] feels detached switching to the El Dorado Stone and raising,

[54:44] um. Raising that roof height. Um, so it's not following

[54:49] the existing slope of the building anymore. And it seems

[54:54] like there's opportunity to kind of bring it back while

[54:58] still improving it. Um, otherwise, uh,

[55:08] understanding that the slope of the roof is actually not

[55:11] a ridge, but a valley took some questions away about

[55:13] the water overflow. Um. But, uh. That's all I got.

[55:22] I have a comment. I agree with Commissioner Buksek. The

[55:29] first thing I saw on the additions is that are

[55:34] not following the architecture. This is a 1968 building by

[55:39] Richard Harson. It's on the historical survey, but it might

[55:44] not be destinated. But, uh, the least thing we can

[55:48] do is just try to be compatible with the architecture.

[55:53] So I'm not totally in agreement with the entry treatment.

[55:57] And the north side addition that looks like an addition

[56:01] with the flat roof higher. Than this elegant sloping roof

[56:05] going down. And, um, on the west side, the patio

[56:12] that sticks out, I think it's a good call to

[56:17] just put the standing seam on top and leave the

[56:21] roof sloping the way it is. But on the east,

[56:26] um, that entries, it can be enhanced. And make it

[56:31] work again to provide the entry for the new, for

[56:34] the renovated building. Also, I'm happy to see that the

[56:41] void on the soth side has been enclosed. Because if

[56:45] you notice, it's been fenced out because I was a

[56:49] room for homeless people to gather there their night. But

[56:54] I don't agree on the angle of the standing seam

[56:58] roof. That it doesn't really need to follow the taper

[57:04] ends. And I think the proposal of evacia might not

[57:10] be right because the left side of that void is

[57:14] actually straight, not in an angle. So if you put

[57:19] the standing seam panels vertical, it might look better. So

[57:27] those are the. Three areas that are not comfortable with,

[57:32] um, for this building. Any other comments?

[57:43] I have a few comments. Okay. Um, pretending to the

[57:46] landscape. It's a great plant palette you have here. A

[57:53] great mixture of, um, a low water used plants. What

[57:57] I do see missing is some type of ground cover.

[58:00] That can help you, um, fill in a lot of,

[58:03] a lot of the landscape as needed. But, um, more

[58:06] importantly when it comes to the plant layout, I don't

[58:09] see really a consistency with the new plant arrangement compared

[58:14] to what's already their existing on the rest of the

[58:17] parking lot. From the, um, planting design. It seems to

[58:22] be more before more, um, structured plant layout, more on

[58:28] center planting. And as you look on the street view

[58:31] of the rest of the parking lot, it looks more

[58:34] organic natural arrangement of plant material. So it's going to

[58:38] be a stark difference between existing and new, uh, new,

[58:42] uh, the new planting design as you get closer to

[58:46] the building. And I feel like it would be a

[58:48] disservice to have a brand new looking building with new

[58:53] landscape plant material by the building. But as you approach

[58:57] from the street side into the parking lot, you're going

[58:59] to have a mixture of old and new plant material.

[59:03] So it's going to look like two different projects, two

[59:05] different properties where, where, uh, new plan materials starts at

[59:09] one point and then ends at the existing, um, parking

[59:14] lot. I feel like for consistency either new plans should

[59:19] be installed throughout the parking lot. Not just near the

[59:22] building. And or match the plant arrangement to either be

[59:27] formal like you have on the new plant. Layout. Or

[59:32] to match was existing, which would be more of a

[59:34] natural organic arrangement of the plant material and not be

[59:38] on center planting. Just as a comment,

[59:48] uh, when it comes to the pettylamth as being used,

[59:51] um, it's a great plant. Um, it will need some

[59:53] shade. And it seems like in some of the locations

[59:56] that it's being proposed, um, you would have a chance

[1:00:01] of the plant material not making it, especially when it's

[1:00:05] getting full sun exposure throughout the day. It would need

[1:00:08] constant yearly, um, uh. Yeah, shading and providing replacing the

[1:00:18] plan material way too often. Maybe come maintenance problem later

[1:00:21] down the road. But, uh, overall, um, I think it's

[1:00:25] a good plant palette. It's just might need some rework

[1:00:28] to be done to be able to seamlessly work with

[1:00:31] the existing landscape and or replace the existing landscape. Thank

[1:00:36] you. Comments. I've seen. That. So do we want to

[1:00:46] make a motion in some form. I'd like to take

[1:00:50] a crack at it. Okay. Um, and yeah, the reason

[1:00:54] I want to take a crack at it is, um,

[1:00:57] I want to say, you know, I made some general

[1:00:59] comments about, about a couple of the parts of the,

[1:01:03] of the building, um, and I have ideas about what

[1:01:07] you could do on the East End and what you

[1:01:09] could do on the north end, but I didn't want

[1:01:11] to say it because, you know, you guys are good

[1:01:14] designers. And I think you need, you deserve to take

[1:01:18] a crack at it and do what you think is,

[1:01:20] is right based on the comments you hear. And, you

[1:01:23] know, and bring it back. I don't want to have

[1:01:25] you guys walk away with a list of, oh, well,

[1:01:29] gee, let's lower this and let's, you know, at a

[1:01:31] standing seam roof over here and, you know, um, I

[1:01:35] don't know what some other comments, um, maybe would be,

[1:01:39] Oh, let's, let's make this standing seam straight, not, not

[1:01:42] sloped. You know, if you guys have reasons for what

[1:01:45] you did, I'm going to say if you have aesthetic

[1:01:49] reasons that you feel strongly about, you can push back

[1:01:54] and say, you know, and give us design reasons for

[1:01:58] why you want to do it this way or that

[1:02:01] way. We can have, we can have a design discussion

[1:02:04] about it. Um, so I think it'd be good to

[1:02:09] give you guys that opportunity to come back based on

[1:02:12] what you've heard. And with a modified proposal, um, and

[1:02:17] then, and then, you know, defend your design. You might

[1:02:22] lose. Um, but, but if you feel strongly about it,

[1:02:26] I'll tell you in the past when, when an architect

[1:02:30] has, has given me good reasons for why they did

[1:02:34] what they did. And I might, I might disagree a

[1:02:37] little bit philosophically, but I'm the first one to back

[1:02:39] off if, if I think what they're saying has merit.

[1:02:50] The public comic has ended. So, uh, as far as

[1:02:57] making a motion, um, I'm going to ask staff, how

[1:03:01] general can we keep it? I know typically you guys

[1:03:03] like, you know, to have some kind of list of

[1:03:07] comments that we can hand to an applicant, um, is

[1:03:12] that really necessary. So it would be, it's beneficial for

[1:03:18] the application to be able to have the information as

[1:03:22] far as the, I know different commissioners weighed in. But

[1:03:27] yeah, providing information on how giving them just general direction.

[1:03:33] So then that way they know what they need to

[1:03:35] correct or adjust. So that way they can bring the

[1:03:38] item back. Okay. Um, so I would propose to condition

[1:03:43] the project with the, with the following comments, um, number

[1:03:50] one, um, revisit the East entrance to make it more

[1:04:00] cohesive and complementary to the existing building design. To revisit

[1:04:09] the North end of the building, um, and parapet design

[1:04:15] that's being proposed. To revisit the fin at the south

[1:04:25] end that's being proposed to be clad in stone. Um,

[1:04:30] and to revisit the standing seam, um, curtain wall product

[1:04:40] that's being proposed at the south end and how it

[1:04:44] integrates with the, with the existing building. And to, um.

[1:04:53] To restudy the landscape plan so that it's a more

[1:04:58] cohesive landscape design throughout the entire site, not just around

[1:05:03] the building. What did I miss. Anyone want to add

[1:05:10] to that? Oh, and to reconsider the specification for the

[1:05:17] pedal anthys. And whatever he said.

[1:05:28] If you don't afford it's worth, um, cause we went

[1:05:30] over. Does that have a common name. Slipper plant. Slipper

[1:05:34] plant to revisit the use of the slipper plant. And

[1:05:43] I agree with, with your breakdown, by the way, um,

[1:05:45] but I just wanted to point out, because we've reviewed

[1:05:48] another project before where an applicant was proposing to put

[1:05:52] in some plantings, um, on call it the addition on

[1:05:55] this building. But the opposite side that was existing to

[1:05:59] remain wasn't really kind of following through. It was clearly

[1:06:03] a different design. Um. There's clearly more work done in

[1:06:08] the landscape plan around the new building that wants existing

[1:06:10] around the rest of the parking lot. Um, I would

[1:06:13] consider, um, if they wanted to, to, um, make the

[1:06:19] rest of the property follow suit to the new design

[1:06:22] as an option. Versus telling their landscape architect to change

[1:06:27] the design to conform to someone else's design. Right? Exactly.

[1:06:32] Okay. Okay. Any more. All right. For the record, Commissioner

[1:06:40] Vuxic, was that a condition of approval or are you

[1:06:44] motioning to continue? Forgive me. I'm motioning to continue. I

[1:06:47] think there's enough here. We, we need to look at

[1:06:49] it again. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Should we take a phone?

[1:06:53] We need a second. I'll second. You got a second.

[1:06:57] Uh, one second. All right. Motion by FUXIC second by

[1:07:01] Sanchez Commissioner Voksick. Aye. Commissioner Sanchez. Aye. Commissioner McIntosh. Hi.

[1:07:09] Commissioner Garcia. Aye. Vicer Gregory? I am. Chair Blakely. Aye.

[1:07:14] Motion carry 60. Thank you. And I'm going to ask

[1:07:21] the applicant to stick around for one more minute. I

[1:07:23] just want to make sure that you guys don't leave

[1:07:25] with some confusion about what to do on that landscape.

[1:07:28] Cause I'm a little confused. On it. Um, so this

[1:07:32] is kind of like after the fact, just, just quick,

[1:07:36] quick discussion. Um. Are, are we going to, are we

[1:07:42] expecting them to come back and, and, and propose a

[1:07:48] new landscape plan for the entire parking lot. And, and

[1:07:53] if we are, and you guys can't do that. Then

[1:07:57] you need to come back and say, and say, Hey,

[1:07:59] you know, Hey guys, we can't do that. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:08:07] Hi. Can we get you on a microphone, please? Well,

[1:08:12] I'm sorry. I guess it's not. Yeah. We're in a,

[1:08:14] we're in a public meeting. So yeah, go ahead and

[1:08:17] come over here and just turn it on. Here. All

[1:08:20] right. So my name is Oscar Lua. I'm the managing

[1:08:24] partner for DIG. And I'm also the general contractor and

[1:08:27] Reuben is our designer, uh, but yeah, this property does

[1:08:31] have a shared parking with, uh, the enabling properties. So,

[1:08:36] um, to mandate to have other property owners who I'm

[1:08:39] not familiar with. I know there are other owners that

[1:08:42] own this parking lot as reciprocally use. Uh, what takes

[1:08:45] some time, uh, to come in and have the landscape

[1:08:49] architect, which I'm sure would have to go to just

[1:08:51] like it is here. A commission, the voting, uh, what

[1:08:55] landscape architect and then what that design would look like

[1:08:58] or the entire property rather than the specific property that

[1:09:01] is owned by this parcel. Does that pertain to existing

[1:09:08] planetary? That's there that you're calling out to replace as

[1:09:10] well? Are you going to those same people as you

[1:09:13] replace? We would have to. Yes. Uh, again, the partnership

[1:09:16] also owns, uh, part of the neighboring parcel. And both

[1:09:21] conditions, uh, for the parcel that we own and the

[1:09:24] neighboring have reciprocal use agreement. So therefore all costs must

[1:09:30] be split, including improvements and maintenance. So the, the, the,

[1:09:40] the motions been made and it's been approved. Um, but

[1:09:45] you guys can certainly come back and explain, okay, this

[1:09:48] is what we would propose. And this is why. I

[1:09:53] think what, what brought this common up in the first

[1:09:56] place was that you have, I'm just going to say

[1:09:59] you have prominent frontage on Fred wearing. Right. And, uh,

[1:10:03] your scope of work, your limit of work is at

[1:10:07] pretty close to significant intersection. Townsend our way and Fred

[1:10:10] Waring. And the proposed landscape design is covering about half

[1:10:15] of that frontage. And then there, defined transition from what

[1:10:21] is a more, um, call it like a systemic, uh,

[1:10:27] aligned force design of rows and patterns that then all

[1:10:33] of a sudden, uh, becomes more of a sparse, more

[1:10:36] natural flow of plants. So, um, I think what I

[1:10:41] was trying to, to at least put out as an

[1:10:43] idea is that rather, you don't want to change this

[1:10:46] landscape design. It's obvious, right? But you're suggesting also that

[1:10:49] it's more complicated to revise the existing parking lot landscading

[1:10:55] landscaping. Um, but perhaps there's a way to maybe, massage

[1:11:00] the frontage along Fred wearing so that there is a

[1:11:04] more of like a uniform look along the street that

[1:11:07] then as it goes back towards your building, might change

[1:11:10] into this new design that was presented to us. Does

[1:11:17] that make sense? Yeah. I mean, that's something I understand.

[1:11:20] I understand that. But it's just difficult. I'd have to

[1:11:23] understand what the architect means and what that means with

[1:11:25] the neighboring owners. It's not one or two owners. There's,

[1:11:29] uh, multiple property owners within the condo eyes project next

[1:11:32] door. So, um, yeah, I'd have to explore what that

[1:11:36] looks like and what that means because I'm sure today

[1:11:38] they're not mandating to change it. But, uh, because of

[1:11:41] a new building, they're just going to say that's, that's

[1:11:44] your problem, right? So that's what I would tell them.

[1:11:47] I'm not building a new building. You are. But to

[1:11:50] redo the entire parking lot, that'd be, uh, that would

[1:11:53] be the case. Yeah. Too much. But even if, if

[1:11:57] your landscape architect, you're able to look at the, the

[1:12:00] South elevation, Fred wearing drive landscape and was able to

[1:12:05] maybe take a page out of the existing landscape's book

[1:12:09] and feather that into as your landscape proceeds towards the

[1:12:12] building, towards the north, the parking area. That remains as

[1:12:16] designed. Am I making sense? It's making sense. I mean,

[1:12:21] the easy solution to me to take it all the

[1:12:23] way into the entrance all the way there, but that's,

[1:12:26] you know, it's something we'd have to look at and

[1:12:32] do a study on and see what it is. Because

[1:12:35] ultimately we'd have to redesign that, submit that to CVWD

[1:12:39] that we have and all that, right? So even if

[1:12:41] it's the subtle part right here. Chair, if I may,

[1:12:46] we should be cautious of continuing the discussion since the

[1:12:50] item has already been a decision has already been made

[1:12:53] to continue the item. Um, so this discussion can be

[1:12:56] followed up as part of the next, um, design review.

[1:13:01] My question, should we make an amendment to what we

[1:13:04] just voted on changing what we just talked about. So

[1:13:08] as far as the motion, the motion was to continue.

[1:13:11] The item with the direction. So with the applicant having

[1:13:14] that information that came following after is just the minutes

[1:13:19] are just going to look a little different. But yeah,

[1:13:22] I think the applicant understands what the commission is looking

[1:13:24] for. Just want to make clarify that. Okay. Yeah. It

[1:13:30] is John said earlier. You have the right to come

[1:13:33] back and defend your position. Right. Yeah. Understand. And I'll

[1:13:37] have to have a discussion with my consultants and my

[1:13:39] landscape architect. And I know the back of the building,

[1:13:42] which is the north end. There's a very specific piece

[1:13:45] of equipment that we need to look at. But how

[1:13:47] can we aesthetically make it better? Right. We need to

[1:13:49] maintain the heights and the clearances, but can it look

[1:13:53] better? Yeah. Sure. Let's, let's look at what aesthetically we

[1:13:56] can do with para bits. But the height will need

[1:13:59] to maintain in order for us to achieve what we're

[1:14:01] looking forward, our medical facility. But absolutely more than happy,

[1:14:07] uh, to look at any architectural elements that we can

[1:14:09] do. Uh, you know, it isn't a parking lot. So

[1:14:12] we want to make sure that we're conscious of that

[1:14:15] and what, what kind of, uh, costs would go into

[1:14:17] that. Right. Making the east entrance simpler. Thank you. It

[1:14:24] would cost me less. So, uh, certainly we'll look at

[1:14:26] all the elements. We'll certainly regroup with my architectural team

[1:14:30] and design team and, uh, come back with something with,

[1:14:33] uh, with the comments that we've got from today's meeting.

[1:14:36] Great. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You got it. Okay.

[1:14:42] Now we move on. Um, Committee meeting updates. Cultural art

[1:14:47] committee. We do have something, um, as I said before,

[1:14:52] for some reason, uh, Palm Desert is becoming the art

[1:14:56] section of the Coachella Valley. So there is an organization

[1:15:01] called Planair. It's a outdoor painting situation, uh, got a

[1:15:08] brochure here that got approved. They ask Palm Springs Acom

[1:15:14] Springs Life. Where would they like to put this. And

[1:15:19] they decided Palm Desert. So Palm Desert is going to

[1:15:22] be the location and Palm Springs life is going to

[1:15:25] sponsor it. And it's going to be an outdoor event

[1:15:27] on El Paso. So we are moving forward as a

[1:15:32] city to be the Art of the Valley. That's the

[1:15:36] Architect. Before I turn the page. Um, so for staff,

[1:15:46] um, we do have a new member of our planning

[1:15:49] team, uh, Travis Heaps. He's joining us coming from the

[1:15:53] private sector and also with Public Sector experience. Also fellow

[1:15:58] Ca Poly Alumni. So we're excited to have him on

[1:16:01] board. And so he'll be seeing more of him. Yes.

[1:16:09] Okay. Um. Request fraction. Are there any commissioners who like

[1:16:14] to propose a future agenda item to be considered by

[1:16:16] the Commission. I'll make the one. What about making a

[1:16:22] motion or considering, uh, would you do four plants. Yeah.

[1:16:31] Um, what was presented to us today could be construed

[1:16:34] as like a permit submittal. Um, minus the existing demo

[1:16:41] plans and sections and all that stuff. But from an

[1:16:44] aesthetic standpoint, it helps us, we have no understanding of

[1:16:47] the project at all except for those few pictures of

[1:16:49] existing to have a comparison of what's existing and what's

[1:16:53] proposed. Yeah. And that's, that's something that we can look

[1:16:58] at as far as our checklist. So the checklist is

[1:17:01] what's provided online. So that's typically whenever, um, we're giving

[1:17:05] guidance to applicants to make sure that they have a

[1:17:07] complete application is that they're adhering to our checklist. Um,

[1:17:12] for whatever reason, existing elevations and existing floor plans, it's

[1:17:17] not, I know it's typically provided, but as far as,

[1:17:20] um, it being a hard requirement, we can revisit that

[1:17:23] and take a look at our checklist and see if

[1:17:25] they need to be updated. Um, also too right now,

[1:17:27] we're going through a lot of ADA changes on the

[1:17:30] way that we have our handouts. Um, so this is

[1:17:33] probably a good time to be able to look at

[1:17:35] that and, um, make changes. We can request that. As

[1:17:40] a commission. Uh, so it's something that SAF will take

[1:17:43] into consideration. And we'll report back as far as if

[1:17:50] we're able to make those changes. Yeah. I think it

[1:17:54] doesn't have to be demolition because that's getting a construction

[1:17:56] documents. It's really just understanding aesthetically what it looked like

[1:18:01] before and what it's going to look like after heights,

[1:18:03] all those things. Sure. Anybody else. Okay.

[1:18:14] With no other questions. I moved to adjourn this meeting

[1:18:16] hearing no objections. I declare the meeting adjourned at. 150.

[1:18:31] Recording stopped.

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