[0:01] I hope everybody can hear us. Like to call to order the

[0:07] September 22nd, 2025 board of public works and safety meeting.

[0:13] » Uh roll call, please. >> Mayor Listenberger

[0:16] » here. >> Cole

[0:17] » here. >> Ecker

[0:18] » here. >> Mer

[0:20] » here. Marorrow >> here.

[0:24] » Thank you. I entertain a motion to approve the

[0:28] minutes from our September 8th meeting. >> Move.

[0:32] » I have a motion. >> Second.

[0:34] » Got a second. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. All in favor say I.

[0:39] » I. >> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.

[0:43] Um, anything from the board members before we get started into the

[0:51] » you good cho? Good. Good. Good. Good. >> Good.

[0:54] » All right. We'll just jump into Donnie. Anything this evening?

[0:57] » I have nothing tonight. Uh Dan's not with us tonight.

[1:06] Uh Dennis is not with us, but >> Oh, Dennis.

[1:16] » Dennis, you're up if you can hear me.

[1:34] I don't have

[1:43] » Oh, that's right.

[1:49] » Okay.

[1:53] So, we're gonna we'll treat try to keep getting Dennis if you can and then

[1:57] Dennis when you again I'm going to uh Burke, you want to come up now and we'll

[2:01] get right into that. I forgot about that.

[2:12] » Good evening members. Uh appreciate you letting me jump ahead here. Um you may

[2:17] have hopefully in front of the application that we have. Uh, first of

[2:20] all, my name is Burke Richardson here in representation of Collins Equity Group

[2:23] and Centennial Crossing LLC and the Homeowners Association for Centennial

[2:28] Crossing. Um, we put in an application to have the speed limit uh set at 25

[2:33] miles per hour just within that single family area. Uh, recognizing that's a

[2:38] drop from the traditional uh limit that's there with the we have these

[2:42] beautiful wide roads that are easy to traverse and a few areas that are a

[2:47] little bit straight. uh and just have a few individuals or uh tendency for

[2:51] people to kind of get going a little bit too fast. Uh and with the wider road, a

[2:55] little bit longer crossing time and uh with having kids and stuff traveling to

[2:58] and from schools and parks and those types of things, we would request a a

[3:03] drop that speed limit down to 25 miles per hour and then we put up signs posted

[3:07] around so that everyone knows what that speed limit is. Um but we just think in

[3:11] the you know name of safety and stuff that that that kind of warrants that

[3:15] drop in speed limit.

[3:20] What does it cover? Is it the normal speed limit from

[3:23] » I think the Yeah, the traditional is 30 miles an hour.

[3:29] » It's not posted, but that's just the the fall back. You know,

[3:33] » those are city streets, correct? >> They are, right? That's why we're here.

[3:37] The the back we would patrol and kind of keep track of. If we wanted to put up a

[3:40] speed limit sign back there as private roads, we could, but not really all that

[3:43] enforceable. Just try and slow people down. the public streets in the front.

[3:47] You know, that's why we're here. >> Do the public streets have signs right

[3:50] now that say 30? >> They do not.

[3:52] » So, there are no signs, right? >> There are no signs now, but they have a

[3:56] Jeeoff, I believe it's 30 miles per hour is the just

[4:01] » I don't remember off the top of my head. >> Okay. 30 or 35.

[4:04] » 30 or 35 I believe in city. And then it's

[4:06] » chief, you know, is that >> it kind of like he's saying it depends

[4:11] on the the neighborhoods. Some are 25 and then some are

[4:15] 35 kind of how they designate them. So if there's no signs posted, it's

[4:20] supposed to be a 25 residential, but like my neighborhood, it's got a 35

[4:25] sign, which seems awful fast, but I didn't post it.

[4:31] » Isn't that something Jimmy can look into and report back to us in two weeks? I

[4:36] mean, we normally don't have signs posted in residential areas. I know this

[4:41] is a request to go. I was thinking it was 30, but I'm not sure what the state

[4:45] law is. I would on that one with But I mean, if you chose to go 25, I know that

[4:53] would probably have to be I know that would probably have to be

[5:03] if you chose to go 25, I'm sure that' have to be a board approval to

[5:07] definitely make it legal because like I said, I thinking normal speed is not

[5:13] posted as 30. I would think somewhere we would have to post it too because it's

[5:18] different. I mean, >> right, but everything's going to refer

[5:22] to, and John correct me if I'm wrong, but it's going to refer to the maximum

[5:28] speed limit in a city corporation is 30 m hour unless otherwise posted.

[5:33] » So, I just >> That's what I always took it as too.

[5:37] » Is that the way you understood it, John? >> He was on his phone.

[5:42] » John, can you come up here, Matt? We're gonna get company. Yes.

[5:47] » Dennis says he can't see or hear anything. I told him we see him, but

[5:51] he's not getting anything in.

[5:55] » My question was is unless otherwise posted, everything inside the city's 30

[6:00] 30 m hour maximum unless otherwise posted.

[6:05] » I'd have to look at that statute again how it reads.

[6:10] » I I believe you're correct. It's 30 or 35 unless it's posted 25

[6:17] » because we've posted before at 25. >> I mean that that place is crowded.

[6:21] There's a lot of kids out there. I disagree. 30 30 m hour there's crazy.

[6:27] So, and we went, you know, I went through this route to verify just to see

[6:31] if we could just put up the signs and say, hey, it's 25 mile per hour, but

[6:36] getting this feedback, I thought, let's put an application in and make sure that

[6:39] we get it approved the way it needs to be before buying signs and those types

[6:43] of things.

[6:46] » I'll make a motion we reduce the speed limit to 25 miles hour.

[6:52] » Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

[6:56] further discussion? Anybody have anything to add to that?

[6:58] » You guys are purchasing and putting that sign.

[7:00] » Yeah, we'll buy the signs. >> Sounds Sounds good to me.

[7:03] » Good job, Jim. >> Good job. Um, all right. We have a

[7:09] motion in a second. Um, >> all in favor say I.

[7:14] » I. I. >> Those opposed? Nay.

[7:19] » Unanimous. >> Thank you so much. I really appreciate

[7:22] it. >> Thanks.

[7:24] » All right. Were we able to get Dennis? >> I believe Hyperwave is trying to work on

[7:30] it, but >> I'm going to text him and say we'll come

[7:34] back to him.

[7:54] Okay, we'll go down to uh Chief Hollum. Anything this evening?

[7:59] » Nothing tonight. Thank you. >> Chief Weir.

[8:02] » Yes.

[8:05] » I don't know if we can put him on phone speaker phone and set up here and talk

[8:09] back and forth. >> Uh if we have to in a little bit. We're

[8:12] still working on trying to Oh, unless he's part of your talk. Is he?

[8:17] » No. No, I got nothing on that. >> Okay. So, no, I'm just here to uh

[8:22] request a financial guarantee waiver for the um block cameras.

[8:30] Those were I got the PO for those last March and

[8:34] I've been in contact with them wondering what's going on. Well, they said they

[8:38] haven't got the thing signed by Chris Marshall and Chris Marshall says that

[8:42] he's waiting for a financial guarantee. I'm like, nobody said anything to me

[8:46] about it. So, he said I need to get a waiver. So I'm here

[8:52] Chris had emailed me about this also because the flock cameras are being

[8:56] installed in the city rightway. Normally for any work in the rightway we require

[9:01] a financial guarantee but because it's the city having them installed. Then the

[9:06] request is to wave that financial guarantee because ultimately it would be

[9:10] the city paying a financial guarantee to ourselves to ensure that we had them

[9:14] installed correctly. Okay,

[9:18] » I'll make a motion we approve the request.

[9:20] » Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

[9:23] further discussion? >> Do you want me to do roll call? Roll

[9:28] call vote, please. >> Not necessarily because you're all here.

[9:31] » Okay. All in favor say I. >> I.

[9:34] » Those opposed? Nay. >> All right. Thank you.

[9:37] » Very good. Thanks,

[9:43] » Mr. Marquet.

[9:48] open for you. >> Is there any more quotes for payment?

[9:58] I said there should not be. We requested the three quotes

[10:02] for the requirements of purchasing. Um, so this is to do the paving at the

[10:10] street department to finish up our parking lot. It's in our budget.

[10:15] So, I solicited three quotes [Applause]

[10:20] and I had a main lot, the main part of the lot. Then I had a couple add-on

[10:25] areas just in case if it worked out, we could do a little bit more.

[10:33] So, the first quote is from EMB Paving out of Rochester.

[10:39] Um on the main request of the parking lot was $81,600.

[10:46] Item number

[10:50] or alternate bid number one it added $22,760

[10:54] and that is going down between the old pavement between our salt shed and cold

[10:59] storage building. And then alternative bid number two was

[11:03] to add a little bit farther onto the back side of our parking lot where we

[11:06] park equipment and it was $7,000. Total bid is $112,320.

[11:15] [Applause] >> Which company was it? EMB baby.

[11:27] [Applause]

[11:36] [Applause]

[11:43] The second one was your milestone contractors in South Bend.

[11:51] So the subtotal of the main quote was 82,663.

[11:59] The second alternative was 9,73592.

[12:06] The third al or the second alternative after that was

[12:13] 20 27,42337

[12:18] for a total of $119,822.

[12:23] [Applause]

[12:34] [Applause]

[12:39] [Applause] The third quote requested was through

[12:43] Ree Riley Construction out of South Bend. Awesome.

[12:53] [Applause]

[13:10] Okay. Front page. Uh scope of work. The main quote asked was $81,021.

[13:19] The alternative one was 28,721

[13:25] and alternative 2 was 17,699. [Applause]

[13:32] Um, they did not come up with a total price on all those and I don't have to

[13:36] do that quick.

[13:46] So

[13:49] » what I guess I would ask for is permission. These do fit within our

[13:56] definite fit in our aotted line item. And I would ask for permission to review

[14:02] these and go ahead and get going on something like this because our next

[14:06] meeting's three weeks away and with the season. Make a motion we approve the

[14:12] request. >> Second motion and second. Any further

[14:15] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor will say I.

[14:19] » I. >> And those opposed? Nay.

[14:23] Unanimous. >> Thank you, Jim. Anything else?

[14:27] » Nothing else on

[14:32] » Mike Collins. >> Thank you.

[14:38] Mike height, are you is he online?

[14:46] » He said earlier too, he couldn't hear anything.

[14:56] » I think it is, but

[15:00] they cannot hear us.

[15:05] All right. Uh, Bill Shely.

[15:13] » Hello. Um, June, July, around that time, um,

[15:18] Dr. Whit came in front of you and talked about the Blueberry Festival, Blueberry

[15:22] Stomp that he's the race director. Um, for those of you who may not know, Dr.

[15:26] Dr. Wood is also on our board of aviation directors, uh, one of the

[15:30] commissioners and with the pending opening of our taxiway. Um, Dr. Wit has

[15:37] organized a Plymouth Runway Mile and 5K. So, uh, he's just got the website up and

[15:44] already has some people signed up and next June 13th on a Saturday, we're

[15:50] going to have a run the runway mile and a 5K. And um we're going to have some

[15:57] additional aviation things there with helicopter rides and hoping to get uh

[16:02] some display aircraft in. Uh the proceeds are going to benefit

[16:07] scholarships for the flight school and high school program. So I wanted to let

[16:11] you know about that and get it out to the press. I've forward it to Laura as

[16:15] well to include on our website. >> Okay. Okay.

[16:20] » Thank you, Bill. I'm gonna put I'm gonna call Dennis, put

[16:25] him on speaker and I don't know if this will be loud enough for everybody. I

[16:28] don't know if I put it probably from that conference.

[16:34] » It's brand new phone and I've not tried using it though. So,

[16:49] » it won't connect to that. Oh,

[16:53] » that's a >> this speaker is better.

[16:54] » That's a conference phone right there. >> Try it now. Dennis, how you doing?

[16:59] » Okay. How are you? >> Okay. People here pretty good. We're

[17:03] going to go with it. Uh you're up, Dennis. Um

[17:08] I see you had it. We're tableabling the Northgate

[17:13] property. >> Yeah, I was just going to give an

[17:16] update. Um they did they did um tear down I believe it was

[17:24] seven units.

[17:29] » They put sent me a timeline. I did not send it to the council. I'm sorry for

[17:34] that. They did put a temporary

[17:39] excuse me. They did put a temporary structure over the

[17:44] man or catch basin and they are cleaning up the property.

[17:51] So I do have a timeline. They're asking to

[17:57] kind of leave the manhole structure

[18:02] over the until winter time is over.

[18:09] Okay.

[18:15] Anything else with that property? >> Nothing else with that property. No.

[18:19] » All right. I I see there's some people here with the point. Did you Did

[18:26] um you aware of that?

[18:32] » I I didn't know if they were going to be able to make it to the agenda tonight or

[18:36] not, but yeah. Okay. Well, they're here. Um, do you want to speak? I know I think

[18:42] possibly you had a meeting with the purchase

[18:46] people that have potential purchase on it, right?

[18:50] » Potential purchase. Um, spoke with them on the phone.

[18:53] » Okay. Friday. >> So, the Pomeroys are here. Um, do you

[18:59] guys want to come up and

[19:04] and go ahead and tell us what you know, Dennis?

[19:08] Um, Tom Roy, I believe, are want to buy the property.

[19:13] From my understanding, they've had a commercial inspector come in and go

[19:18] through the property and look at it. They

[19:23] apparently are planning on fixing it up. I asked if they could present a timeline

[19:30] of what their proposed timeline would be and possible

[19:38] Basically give a time lap. We don't want to if if we

[19:43] recommendation would be to if we're not going to demo it then not lift the order

[19:50] but postpone it and allow them to give me a timeline.

[19:55] I don't want a repeat of what we just went through.

[19:58] » Okay. All right. So I'll just back up just a second. they we

[20:03] were aware of this offer potentially coming and so I asked the Pommeroy to

[20:08] visit with you Dennis and it was you know it's got to go through you and it

[20:12] sounds like you did that and I think this would be a good time for

[20:19] Doug and Nan to tell us the plan and update us on the purchase offer that you

[20:25] did and stuff like that. So, um, so you want to introduce your name and address,

[20:31] please? >> Doug and Nan Pomemeroy. We live at 277

[20:34] Juniper Lane here in Plymouth. We are also, uh, Shepherd's Beginnings

[20:39] Ministry, uh, which started last year, and, uh, Doug can tell you a little bit

[20:44] about that, but we are also the leaders of the Celebrate Recovery at Plymouth

[20:49] Wesleyan Church. And we are also uh, associate chaplain out of Marshall

[20:54] County Jail. >> Okay. So, I did print out copies.

[20:59] » Yeah, you can >> of the proposed plan.

[21:02] » Didn't know how many I have.

[21:15] And uh we did put in an offer which was accepted. and

[21:22] the sellers uh representatives, they're here tonight and they can verify that

[21:27] all the signatures have been uh obtained from the sellers, the partners and so

[21:33] forth, and they have accepted our offer uh with contingencies. And I believe I

[21:38] sent something I did send the sales agreement uh to Kyle uh so he can share

[21:44] copies of that to whomever you need to. >> Okay. So, you've got that. And uh in

[21:51] talking with Dennis uh I do realize the problems that existed uh during the last

[21:57] few years over this property. Uh but I have uh Dennis I am giving everyone a

[22:03] copy uh tonight of the proposed building upgrade safety plan. And today we

[22:09] actually did have Ken and you've got that paper underneath that warrant fire

[22:15] and security. they have listed what they will come in

[22:19] and check. Uh you don't have to read all those papers. Uh but uh as soon as we

[22:24] know that the demolition order can be reversed or suspended or postponed, we

[22:32] will go ahead and I'll sign this and they will come in within the next couple

[22:36] of weeks to do a full inspection of the sprinkler system, the alarm system, and

[22:42] everything else that's listed on here. and we will sign a contract with them uh

[22:46] showing that we will absolutely have them inspected on required basis and

[22:51] they will help us make sure that the city and state codes are met.

[23:00] » And as far as financial, we're paying cash for the building and

[23:05] we have enough cash to do all the upgrades. So, uh if you want any

[23:09] verification of that, we'd be more than happy to to give it. So, uh, the

[23:14] financial aspect of it will not be a problem.

[23:16] » I know. We keep looking at Dennis and he probably can't even see us.

[23:21] » Actually, you can see us, can't you, Dennis?

[23:24] » I I can see you. >> The YouTube channel is working.

[23:28] » I'm watching on the YouTube channel. So, there is a slight delay, but

[23:32] » Okay. >> Yeah.

[23:34] » And in two days, in two days, we do have an inspector. Um that's uh NPI out of

[23:41] South Bend. Uh NPI Michigan commercial building inspectors coming in in two

[23:47] days if we can get this postponed or whatever. Uh we'll we are going to have

[23:53] I already signed a contract to have them come in and they will inspect the entire

[23:57] building. But we're doing it in two phases. Yeah.

[24:02] » That the fire that that comes first that we'll make sure that that is dealt with.

[24:07] But then anything that he suggests that needs to be repaired, inspected, uh,

[24:12] continually, whatever we have to do, we're going to make sure and we will

[24:15] follow professional people's advice and do what needs to be done to get it up to

[24:20] city and state codes.

[24:24] » What's the plan for the business itself? >> What's what's the plan?

[24:32] » The plan itself, >> please. uh a transitional house uh for

[24:37] people that are getting out of jail or prison instead of throwing them on the

[24:40] street. We want to bring them in uh give them a place to stay for a period of

[24:44] time, help them find jobs, transportation, and all that stuff. And

[24:49] and we we're working with quite a few people at both of the hotels right now

[24:54] and we have no place to help them put them get them out of that place and get

[24:59] them to a place that's safe. So that's our intentions

[25:02] » because number one, in order for them to even reside at this property, they will

[25:08] be drug tested. There will be no uh exceptions to that rule. Yeah, they will

[25:14] have to be drug-free. >> Is is the drug testing up front one time

[25:18] only or be random? and and I didn't know that

[25:22] you would want to know exactly what we were doing with the building, but I

[25:26] actually have that all written up as well, our requirements for anyone that

[25:31] uh wants our assistance. We have several guidelines that they must follow to

[25:37] continue their upfront drug testing. They have to sign agreements of what

[25:41] they will, what they will not do. Um and and it's ongoing and we have the right

[25:47] they signed that as well that anytime we have a suspicion that they will have to

[25:52] submit to a drug test or risk being kicked out,

[25:58] » you know, >> and it's an opportunity right now. We've

[26:02] bought some houses and we can only help one. This we can help 30. Does that make

[26:07] sense? >> Yeah.

[26:08] » Okay. >> I just was curious, but thank you. Mhm.

[26:12] » And I I want to kind of cut in there, I I did tell the Palmeroy that this this

[26:18] property has lost its grandfather clause and a variance to use it for a

[26:24] residential any kind of residential use will have to go before the board of

[26:29] building appeals. So >> yes,

[26:31] » yeah, we're aware. >> We are aware.

[26:33] » That's one of your contingencies probably.

[26:35] » That's correct. >> Yeah.

[26:36] » Won't do us any good if we can't get that in.

[26:38] » Yeah. So there's sustainability. How would you sustain this program?

[26:44] What's how are you going to be able to sustain this program after the initial

[26:48] purchase >> financial?

[26:49] » Yes, >> we do. Okay.

[26:51] » And we're happy to provide you with that information when it comes to that. We'll

[26:55] we'll give you the information. >> So other words, uh we're going to be

[27:00] funding everything, but we will certainly accept donations

[27:04] » and and they're not going to stay there for free. It's going to be sort of like

[27:07] David's courage. >> Okay.

[27:09] » But it's very affordable, you know, uh and so um it's just part of the

[27:15] responsibility that they need too uh to provide some money for them.

[27:22] » They expect to go out and find employment and all that good stuff.

[27:25] » Yes. >> We're helping people now finding jobs

[27:28] » which is important >> and we're we're providing temporary work

[27:32] for a number of people right now. So to help them get on their feet, pay their

[27:37] utilities, get signed up for an apartment somewhere, and have their

[27:41] first months, last month's security deposit because there's a good number of

[27:46] people out there at the uh hotels right now that they're there because they

[27:50] can't come up with all that money to get that apartment.

[27:57] » So what about uh the the fines? Don't the fines follow the uh property, not

[28:05] the property owner? >> Correct.

[28:09] » Yes. So any fines that are not paid are added as a lean on the property. Um

[28:15] there are other leans on the property as well. There is a signed purchase

[28:18] agreement, but that's one of the contingencies in the purchase agreement

[28:22] that uh the seller has to resolve all of those fines so that they can deliver a

[28:26] clear title to the property. remind me what the fine was from the uh attorney

[28:31] general. >> So, the attorney general has a judgment.

[28:36] Um I don't remember the exact amount. It was just over $300,000 was the order

[28:42] judgment. Uh there is statutory interest occurring on that as well. So, until a

[28:48] closing date is set, we can't tell you the exact amount. Um I I believe that

[28:55] they're going to have to negotiate a settlement with the attorney general in

[28:58] order to uh resolve that lean. >> Is that part of the contingency?

[29:02] » That is a contingency. >> Yes.

[29:05] » So there's still a lot to go through to make this deal happen. I'll just say

[29:09] that um I'm all about repurposing buildings and I think this is the

[29:14] building that could be repurposed and this in my opinion um I've had several

[29:19] meetings with the Palmroys and I kind of understand and I feel really confident

[29:24] in their ability to repurpose this building and run it effectively. That's

[29:28] just my opinion, but uh feel pretty good about that.

[29:33] » Thank you. I I'll just throw my two cents out that

[29:38] I uh I obviously can't speak for the BCA, but I will imagine that you'll have

[29:46] some neighbors that are going to object. So,

[29:51] » that'll be part of the process, >> reszoning.

[29:55] And my other concern is, you know, what's going to happen to the property

[30:00] once you folks decide you're done uh with with this project.

[30:07] » That's where we're buried. >> Yeah. Well,

[30:10] » this is our life. This is our retirement.

[30:12] » Okay. And the property is going to be in the

[30:16] name of our ministry, >> right? And and we are a nonprofit,

[30:23] » which means that it will continue on without us because some other charity

[30:29] can purchase it or or assume responsibility for it.

[30:33] » Do you have board members then? >> Yes, we do.

[30:36] » Okay. >> So, we're looking for a timeline,

[30:41] Dennis. Is that correct? >> Yes. Uh timeline you

[30:48] own the demolition order, I guess. >> Suspended. So you look for a suspension

[30:53] on this. >> So um

[30:55] » I I would not recommend a suspension. I would recommend a temporary

[31:02] extension. the the legal term I would use is a stay of the order, which just

[31:09] means that it's it's paused. And I agree with what Dennis says that we don't want

[31:15] to have to start the process over again. Where you're at right now is this board

[31:20] issued uh approved a demolition order and when the owner did not comply with

[31:25] that, you solicited and approved a quote for the demolition pending approval of

[31:33] funds from the city council. Later tonight, uh the city council will be

[31:37] considering a resolution to transfer funds to the unsafe building fund that

[31:43] can be used for the demolition. And then the plan is at the first meeting in

[31:48] October to consider an additional appropriation of those funds so that uh

[31:55] the the demolition contract uh can proceed. If you were to approve a stay

[32:02] of the demolition order uh pending a any recommendation of the building

[32:08] commissioner, that would essentially pause the process. um let the Palmeroy

[32:13] have a chance to try to resolve the issues on the property and uh close on

[32:18] the purchase and give Dennis the opportunity to monitor that so that he

[32:23] can come back to you later and tell you one way or another whether uh he

[32:27] believes the demolition should proceed or whether it can be lifted.

[32:31] » So if we stay the order, do we need to proceed with still proceed with the

[32:36] appropriation? So I will recommend to the council that they do still proceed

[32:41] with the transfer of funds and the additional appropriation again so that

[32:44] we don't have to start that process over again if the sale were to fall through.

[32:49] » Okay. Then the next question is we've talked about extending. What are you

[32:53] recommending Dennis?

[32:57] » I would recommend for the time being a one month.

[33:03] I think that would give the Palmeroys sufficient time to

[33:07] have all their contractors and inspectors come in and give them a

[33:12] estimated estimated time to complete the construction.

[33:20] » Uh yes, uh we can have the building inspected in two days. And I was told on

[33:26] the phone tonight before I came that the fire inspection, sprinkler system, uh

[33:32] the fire alarm can be done in about two to three weeks.

[33:38] And then at that point, they're going to let us know what needs to be repaired,

[33:42] has to be done, and how long it will take. You're just your 30 days is just

[33:47] for us to get that far. Right. >> Correct. I would I would look at a

[33:53] 30-day stay, allow you guys to get all that in order, and then we can come back

[34:02] with the board and >> come back.

[34:04] » In my opinion, if you don't have that done in 30 days, then I I would

[34:08] recommend going on with the demolition. >> Okay,

[34:11] » fair enough. >> Fair enough.

[34:12] » Fair enough. >> Talk about having it arranged within 30

[34:15] days or having the inspections and everything completed within 30 days. I

[34:19] would have the inspections completed and a timeline of construction

[34:26] » presented to the board within 30 days >> presented with. Okay.

[34:30] » All right. And then the building inspector is also going to include all

[34:33] the electrical construction. >> Yes. And that and that'll that's on your

[34:36] paper that I gave you. Uh yes, the electrical plumbing, HBAC.

[34:41] » Yeah. Uh we've got a general contractor that came in, inspected all the uh the

[34:46] like the windows and the doors and and all that stuff and and so again, as soon

[34:51] as we get the approval, uh we're going to take care of all that.

[34:56] » Yeah, we have people lined up ready to go. We just need to know what needs to

[34:59] be done. >> I guess one more question and that is

[35:02] Chief where as far as do you know been any issues vandalisms or attempted

[35:07] break? Our officers haven't said anything or haven't seen anything.

[35:11] » Okay. I just want to make sure the building stays secure.

[35:14] » As far as I know, it's been pretty quiet lately.

[35:19] » I'll make a motion to approve the request and stay the demolition

[35:25] um for 30-day period. Is that sufficient? and that give

[35:32] everybody sufficient time to >> and and if the board approves that

[35:35] tonight in 30 days when the Pomemeroys have provided that information um you

[35:40] can take the advice of the building commissioner whether to extend the stay

[35:45] or proceed with demolition at that time. Okay, I'll second that motion.

[35:52] » Okay, we have a motion second. Any further discussion?

[35:57] Yes, sir.

[36:00] » Randy Longer, a Baker Street Councilman, District 4. Um, first thing I want you

[36:06] to think about as we delay this, the contractor is probably not going to hold

[36:10] the price, which means we're going to have to reappropriate or send this back

[36:13] out for quote well as well for demolition. So, we need to consider

[36:17] that. And then secondly, this would be my district and I will not support. So,

[36:23] just Any

[36:28] further discussion?

[36:32] » Hearing none. Roll call vote, please. >> Council call.

[36:38] » Yes. >> Ecker,

[36:39] » yes. >> Milner,

[36:40] » yes. >> Maro,

[36:42] » yes. >> Mayor Lenberger,

[36:43] » yes. >> Okay, very good. Good luck.

[36:47] » Thank you very much. [Applause]

[36:54] Where am I at? Okay, we circle back up. Dennis, you

[36:59] have anything else this evening? >> Um,

[37:03] I see that there was a

[37:08] another property at 5:16. I didn't know if you wanted to address that now or

[37:15] » Yeah, I think that might be a pro. While we've got you on my speak before my

[37:21] phone dies, um we're going to jump I know we're going out of order tonight.

[37:25] Um we're gonna jump down to the 516 Pennsylvania. Jerry Hex in the audience.

[37:31] Um Jerry, would you like to come on up? Dennis, give us the lowdown, please.

[37:40] Well, >> um

[37:40] » you know what he's here for. They I I sent I didn't know if I was

[37:45] going to be able to make it tonight. So, I sent a timeline for their property. I

[37:50] received a complaint on this on June 20th. Sent the order out on June 25th,

[37:57] certified letter. I got the mail

[38:02] returned back to me on July 28th as unclaimed.

[38:09] um publicized it August 8th.

[38:15] That gave the owner 30 days to comply. On September 8th, I brought it to the

[38:23] board and asked to issue a fine.

[38:31] And that's where we're at. >> And the fine was how much again?

[38:36] » $2500. >> $2,500. Right.

[38:42] And that point is now due. And I think Jerry, you're here to This is what it

[38:48] looks like.

[39:00] Why don't you let us take those? We'll pass. Thank you.

[39:07] That's the other note underneath. It's well supported. The stringer is well

[39:12] supported against the beam and it's supported against the house.

[39:17] Now these stringers I replaced one with the last 10 years. I take it down, got a

[39:26] new stringer, put it back in place. I replaced some treads

[39:30] in the last year and I put new spindles up on the railing

[39:35] of uh this past year.

[39:40] I don't I don't know the process that I just got the letter just uh late August

[39:48] in the mail. Certified letters is hard to get for me

[39:53] because I work in Elcart and it's a post office box and I'm not there during

[39:59] uh post office hours. So,

[40:04] um I'm a little surprised to get this

[40:07] penalty. I I hadn't had that letter very long, so I haven't got a grasp of what's

[40:12] going on. But if it explain to me what what what I need to fix, I'll be happy

[40:17] to fix it.

[40:25] There's no members or number on that that's broken at this point.

[40:37] » So, who took these pictures? >> What' you say about this?

[40:40] » Who took these pictures? >> I took

[40:43] my cell phone.

[40:47] So, I know that uh Dennis put this in the memo he wrote to the board, but uh I

[40:52] just want to reiterate the procedural matters that that got us here. So,

[40:59] Dennis issued an order to take action on June 25th.

[41:05] Um the order to take action issued under Indiana code 3679585

[41:13] um allows for the property owner to appeal the decision within 10 day or

[41:19] request an appeal within 10 days. If they do not request the appeal within 10

[41:25] days, it um automatically becomes a final order. However, um it is required

[41:32] to deliver that order by certified mail. Uh Dennis sent the certified mail. It

[41:39] was postmarked on June 26th. Uh a first notice was delivered on July 1st. A

[41:47] second notice was delivered on July 10th and the recipient Jerry Hec uh it was I

[41:54] should note that it was addressed to PO box 181 um in I believe that's in

[42:01] Lakeville. It's covered Le Paz uh which is the address that is on the tax

[42:06] records for the property. So it's the only address uh we have to send notice

[42:11] to. Um it was returned on July 28th because Jerry Hec refused to claim that

[42:21] certified letter. So procedurally uh by law we are required to issue a notice.

[42:29] If it's not if it cannot be delivered by certified mail then it must be

[42:33] published. So um it was published in the pilot news

[42:39] as required by law and no action was taken. So the reason for issuance of the

[42:45] fine is because more than 10 days passed after that publication date and no

[42:52] action was taken, no contact was made to the building commissioner to notify him

[42:58] that uh um any substantial action had been taken. So, because of the owner's

[43:05] refusal to accept the certified mail and failure or refusal to take action as

[43:12] required by the notice to take action, uh that allows for the issuance of a

[43:16] fine. And um I don't want to speak for Dennis, but I believe one of the reasons

[43:22] that he requested the maximum fine is because this is not the first time a

[43:27] similar situation has arisen with the same property owner. um on another

[43:32] property on Leaport Street. Uh last year we had the same issue where the owner

[43:37] refused to accept certified mail notice of an order to take action. So um

[43:42] because of the repeated violations and the refusal to accept delivery of the

[43:47] certified mail, Dennis requested the find which you approved and that's the

[43:51] reason we're here.

[43:57] Regarding the porch street, I paint staintedly poured a concrete uh

[44:04] cap on a porch when I discussed that with you

[44:08] » and you said you were going to inspect that and see that approval or not. I did

[44:13] not hear anything from that. >> So, it's not like I didn't take action.

[44:17] » I wouldn't have told you that was my decision.

[44:19] » I don't know whose decision it is. Uh, it wouldn't have been mine. No, I don't

[44:22] remember that. Uh, have you seen what they were currently doing to that? Wait.

[44:27] » Yeah, they uh totally gutted the place and built a porch. Put porch on top.

[44:32] » Right. >> Yeah, it looks nice. I was got different

[44:36] opinion. I don't

[44:41] I want to make it right. I uh I've repaired that stairs numerous

[44:48] times. Uh, all I want to know is what do I need to do?

[44:54] » Well, you can take that up with Dennis offline. He didn't unless he wants to

[45:00] get into it tonight. We're here to decide whether you've

[45:05] followed the procedures. Uh, and the fine is really, am I right?

[45:10] I mean, that's what we're here to decide right now is whether to wave the fine or

[45:14] not wave the fine. >> Right. The issue really is not uh what

[45:18] does and does not need to be repaired and that is contained in the order to

[45:21] take action. Um the the request is to wave the fine that

[45:26] you already approved and as I said the fine was issued for non-compliance

[45:30] because uh the certified mail was refused and the notice was issued by

[45:36] publication and no action was taken. So technically this is not an appeal of the

[45:42] fine because there is no statutory provision for an appeal. Um it's just a

[45:48] request for you to reconsider the fine. So it's up to you whether to um take any

[45:53] action or to let it stand.

[46:02] I'll make a motion that we let the um twine stand as

[46:08] presented. >> A second.

[46:13] » Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

[46:22] Hearing none. Roll call vote, please. >> Councilman Cop,

[46:26] » yes. >> Ecker,

[46:27] » yes. Milner. >> Yes.

[46:29] » Maro. >> Yes.

[46:31] » Mayor Lenberger. >> Yes.

[46:33] » Stands. >> I I can't hear it.

[46:36] » The fine stands. >> It stands.

[46:38] » Yep. >> Okay.

[46:39] » And now I would find out from Dennis what you need to do to get it corrected.

[46:44] » Um would be would it do me any any favors

[46:49] if I uh wish to t uh deny the violation writing? That would be in a court of

[46:57] law, wouldn't it? >> What are you asking?

[47:02] » If I could issue a deny denying the violation.

[47:07] » Um, you can request an appeal within 10 days of the issuance of the order. We're

[47:13] well past 10 days. So, by statute, you're too late to request any appeal.

[47:22] [Applause] So the decision is you're not going to

[47:27] reverse it, >> Jerry. It's unsafe. It was unsafe. Comes

[47:33] down to if I have to send a first responder up those steps in gear, they

[47:38] are not safe. And that's what I have to think about. I'm sorry, but that's just

[47:44] the way it is. >> Thank you.

[47:53] Where am I? Gosh, we're getting out of order

[47:56] tonight. Um, yep. Wait, are we out of order? Where am

[48:02] I at? >> All right. Uh, so, city attorney, you're

[48:08] up

[48:13] again. Um, okay. So the item I have for you tonight is a partnership agreement,

[48:19] proposed partnership agreement with Future Habitat, Inc. So the first thing

[48:22] I want to explain is that Future Habitat Inc. has absolutely no affiliation with

[48:29] Habitat for Humanity. And that's been a point of confusion just because of of

[48:34] the name. U they are not affiliated with either the national Habitat for Humanity

[48:39] or our local Marsh County Habitat for Humanity. They are a separate private

[48:45] development company. Um they're actually fairly new. They have brought together

[48:50] um experts from various areas to form the company um that is proposing to

[48:58] redevelop distress properties. Um I've met with several of the partners and

[49:05] different representatives via video conference. Um they are all over the

[49:09] country and all over the world actually. and they have a lot of experience. Uh

[49:14] but this is a new entity that they formed to do this. They are interested.

[49:19] We were connected earlier this year. We've had several discussions with them.

[49:23] Um they're very interested in doing a couple of projects in the city. They're

[49:29] um their plan is to do sustainable development to create affordable

[49:34] workforce type housing uh developments. and they're specifically um

[49:41] they're they're looking at a couple of opportunities, but the one that is

[49:45] farthest along would be a mixeduse development at the property on Kingston

[49:51] Street, the former Dave Rays Grocery, GL Perry, depending on uh what era you

[49:57] remember best. Um they are working with the property owner

[50:02] to develop a a project for that location. It would be, like I said,

[50:07] mixed use with some commercial space as well as housing, both owner occupied

[50:12] condos and rental properties. Um, the preliminary design showed somewhere

[50:19] around 80 units, but that can change as they uh fine-tune their plans.

[50:26] as they're looking to proceed with the planning for that, they've requested

[50:31] this agreement with the city and it really provides them with a couple of

[50:37] assurances. The first is that the city is willing to work with them that we're

[50:42] not going to put up roadblocks. We're not going to try to stop them. We've

[50:47] assured them that uh if they can put together a viable project that the city

[50:51] would be very happy to work with them and try to find a way to make it

[50:55] successful. Uh the other thing this agreement does is it protects their

[50:59] intellectual property. They want to make sure that if they develop designs for

[51:03] the property that uh those designs don't get handed over to another developer or

[51:08] shopped around to find someone else to build it. Um it it's a little more than

[51:15] we would normally even than is normally even requested at this stage in the

[51:20] development, but they have a standup procedure because they do work in many

[51:26] different uh jurisdictions. So they presented this agreement. I've been

[51:31] through it and made some pretty significant edits to it to make it uh

[51:36] palatable for the city and also to be in compliance with Indiana open records

[51:41] laws. So, they've asked to present this agreement and uh we're asking for your

[51:48] approval to uh be able to partner and move forward with Future Habitat, Inc.

[51:55] And I know the agreement is long and there's a lot of boilerplate legal

[51:59] language in it. Um that's because they normally have their agreements with

[52:05] property owners and private entities. So they need a lot more protections in

[52:09] those areas. We took that same form of agreement and like I said, I edited it

[52:14] to make it appropriate for a municipal agreement.

[52:19] And this is exclusive just for the habitat.

[52:24] » The agreement. >> So the agreement would be specifically

[52:27] between the city of Plymouth and Future Habitat Inc. But it is a nonexclusive

[52:34] agreement. It does not give them any exclusive rights either to certain

[52:38] properties or certain types of developments within the city. um that

[52:42] particular property. They my understanding is that they already have

[52:46] an agreement with the owner and the city would not have any direct involvement in

[52:51] that. Now, as the project develops, there may be some other

[52:56] collaboration with the city, but as of right now, there's nothing specific to

[52:59] any property in this agreement. >> And just so I'm clear, it doesn't mean

[53:04] that uh Mr. Burgerer could get one of these two for his plans not to be given

[53:10] out. I mean, I I guess I'm just never seen this just totally lost and there's

[53:15] a lot of geography that at this point don't understand it. Sorry.

[53:19] So, maybe the best way to simplify it is what this agreement really says is that

[53:25] we're not going to get three steps down the road toward this project with Future

[53:30] Habitat and then secretly take their plans to Mr. Burgerer and ask him if he

[53:36] could step in and take over. Um, if Mr. Burgerer asked for the same type of

[53:41] agreement. I think it would also be appropriate if he had any concerns that

[53:46] the city would might do that to him. >> So, this is just basically a disclosure

[53:50] when they bring something in that we're not going to give it out to anybody.

[53:55] » Yeah. We're not going to pull the rug out from under them and try to push them

[53:59] out. >> Now, I I I think that Mr. Burgerer knows

[54:04] the city well enough that he trusts us without having this in writing. Um, like

[54:09] I said, Future Habitat is a new company. They don't know us and we don't know

[54:12] them yet. So, uh, everybody is kind of proceeding with caution until we know

[54:19] for sure. >> Well, now I can see Mr. Burgerer

[54:22] starting to request something like this. >> Now he's got the idea.

[54:28] » It It is a public record. So, yes, if you'd like a copy, be happy to give you

[54:33] a copy. I >> I have a couple questions.

[54:35] » Sure. Uh one is the termination clause which seemed uh very one way. Uh there

[54:43] wasn't any termination of the agreement unless there's a breach uh of the

[54:50] contract. Does this go for any pro uh property

[54:56] that they buy in Plymouth that we're going to do whatever they do want to do?

[55:03] So

[55:08] yes, the the termination clause or the the contract itself would apply to any

[55:15] projects that Future Habitat would seek to undertake in the city. Um to be

[55:21] honest, I wasn't too concerned about the termination clause because there's

[55:24] really no obligation in this contract for the city. Um there there are no

[55:30] deliverables. There's no action required by the city. So

[55:35] » we're agreeing to give them a fast track. Sounds like

[55:39] » well actually their fast track is longer than what is required by statute. So

[55:48] I I guess you know we ran into issues with that property with the prior owner

[55:53] because they didn't comply to what the uh BVA asked them to do. uh they wanted

[56:01] to take some shortcuts. I just feel maybe that that we're losing some of our

[56:08] quality control uh with this agreement. Uh I just think

[56:14] it needs to be vetted more. I I ran a a better business uh report and there were

[56:22] several complaints about this company. Um have no idea what their credit rating

[56:28] is. their Facebook page looked great, but that was their Facebook page. Um,

[56:34] these these apartments, are they going to be subsidized?

[56:39] » So, the the project is still being developed. What they've presented to us

[56:44] would that they is that they would be market rate apartments. Um they asked us

[56:50] what price range would be most beneficial to the city and the

[56:55] information we provided them was based on the housing studies both the local

[56:59] one and the Mayog housing study and we explained to them some of the other

[57:04] projects we've looked at um specifically targeting 80 to 120% of AMI which would

[57:11] be a standard workforce level market rate housing uh that is the range that

[57:17] they are also interested in um we've not seen any details. So if if those issues

[57:25] were to be presented, this does not guarantee them any sort of zoning

[57:30] approval. So they would still have to go through a variance process. Uh the

[57:35] property right now is not zoned for multifamily and we don't have a zoning

[57:41] category for mixed use. So the only commitment in this agreement is that we

[57:48] would assist them in applying for that zoning approval. We can't guarantee, you

[57:53] can't guarantee any zoning approval. That has to go

[57:57] through the BCA, which is a uh independent quasi judicial board.

[58:05] So none of that can be waved and it's certainly not waved by this agreement.

[58:11] So, I guess I still don't understand why we need the agreement if they could,

[58:14] they've already entered into a purchase agreement.

[58:17] » Um, they don't have a purchase agreement. They have a development

[58:20] agreement with the property owner and that is a private agreement. I have not

[58:25] seen the agreement. I don't know the details. I just was told that they have

[58:28] an agreement in place. Um there's a what's what's really contained

[58:35] in this partnership agreement is an understanding that we will cooperate

[58:41] with them if they can continue to develop this project that uh we will

[58:46] cooperate and help them seek the necessary approvals.

[58:52] » No financial commitment on our part of >> Absolutely no financial commitment.

[59:10] and and to some of your concerns, Dave, really this is an unknown entity. Future

[59:17] Habitat is a very new organization. Uh they don't have a track record that they

[59:22] can point to and we're very aware of that. Um, Tai has been involved in the

[59:28] discussions. Uh, Dennis Manuel has been involved in the discussions. Uh, the

[59:33] Facebook page looks great. What they've told us they want to do sounds great for

[59:38] the city. Uh, we don't know yet if they'll be able to deliver. We're just

[59:43] saying that uh, we're willing to work with them and try to develop those

[59:47] plans. >> I still don't understand. We work with

[59:51] Kevin and we don't have an agreement like

[59:53] » Kevin's never asked for an agreement. >> Yeah.

[59:56] » And and Kevin knows us and I I hope he trusts us.

[1:00:01] » Well, we can take him to the bank on the support down there. Things change from

[1:00:07] what we originally voted on. That just scared me that we get that plan to make

[1:00:13] sure it doesn't change in the middle of things if we sign this.

[1:00:17] So there would have to be a plan before they can move forward with anything. If

[1:00:22] they ask for any uh um financial incentives, then certainly you would

[1:00:28] have to review the plans. If they ask for uh zoning variance, which they would

[1:00:33] need for what they've described, then they would have to present plans. Um if

[1:00:38] they ask for a building permit, they would have to present plans. So, we

[1:00:43] still have all of the normal processes. Review by the TRC, approval by the

[1:00:50] building commissioner, approval by the board of zoning appeals andor the plan

[1:00:55] commission depending on the procedure they request.

[1:01:01] So this is market rate but uh this would not have a

[1:01:06] competitive situation or a negative impact on habitat for humanity. Is it

[1:01:11] the way this is understanding? I mean, we're talking about future

[1:01:15] habitat, right? >> Future habitat is not The only thing

[1:01:19] this has to do with Habitat for Humanity is

[1:01:24] both entities happen to use the word Habitat in their name.

[1:01:29] » Understand that. I just want to make sure that there's no step on toes here.

[1:01:34] Good work here. >> What's your thoughts on this?

[1:01:40] » Well, I'm going off my advice from my attorney, but I do know that

[1:01:44] What's there's an absolute need for housing in our communities and it's

[1:01:50] everywhere and we have a willing developer that has shown a really strong

[1:01:55] interest and they've got a couple other projects that they've tossed by uh that

[1:01:59] doesn't have much bearing on this but um he also is the gentleman that presented

[1:02:05] the um R2 is it

[1:02:09] » it's R squar >> R squ

[1:02:11] » sustainable solution >> for the aquatics center. Um, I can't

[1:02:15] think of his name right now. >> Tony Rack.

[1:02:16] » Tony Rack. So, you all met him. He was at a meeting. Um,

[1:02:24] I feel like, uh, based off my legal that it be a safe bet for doesn't scare me.

[1:02:32] Um, the private developer there, have you seen any of the buildings or

[1:02:38] anything that they're proposing? >> Yeah, I saw some of them on on Facebook.

[1:02:43] Okay, >> they look nice.

[1:02:50] » We have Mr. Buyers in the audience. Uh, do you are you familiar with this group?

[1:02:55] » Never heard of this. >> Yeah, they

[1:02:59] » he wouldn't have any reason.

[1:03:05] » I just don't think it's necessary to do a development.

[1:03:12] It's a contract. >> I mean, you risk the chance of I don't

[1:03:15] know. You think they would back out of the deal if we don't agree to this?

[1:03:18] » I'm not sure that uh they would proceed without some sort of assurance in place.

[1:03:25] And I I think that's just a a routine process for them. Um

[1:03:32] like I said the they they work in different

[1:03:38] jurisdictions with different requirements everywhere. So they're

[1:03:42] looking for a standard check box that uh they have compliance

[1:03:48] with the city and cooperation. >> Feels like to me that it's probably

[1:03:54] something that their investor pool requires.

[1:03:58] So, whoever's doing the investing probably wants this box checked. Um,

[1:04:04] that's what it sounds like to me. But it's

[1:04:12] Would you some Would you like somebody You want to have somebody else take a

[1:04:16] look at this a little closer? We can >> I just think they need to be vetted.

[1:04:23] I mean, I just looked at it after the packet came in Thursday. I didn't even

[1:04:29] at this. >> We we did take some stuff out of it that

[1:04:32] was original. I mean, you may change. >> I would like to see a a termination

[1:04:37] where we can get out of the agreement if we want to. For one,

[1:04:42] » we can go back to them with that as a a requested edit. Is there anything

[1:04:48] specific that you'd like to see there? >> A termination? Uh

[1:04:54] » what would you like it to say? Well, you can

[1:04:58] » I mean I I

[1:05:03] termination from either party and give it so many days. That's kind of what

[1:05:08] what I'm used to seeing. >> I don't want to enter into something

[1:05:12] that's >> okay.

[1:05:14] » Even if we add different termination language to it, the really the primary

[1:05:21] part of this agreement which is protection of intellectual property is

[1:05:26] going to survive that termination. >> I don't have it be

[1:05:34] » I just think we should either take no action or table it and and do

[1:05:41] some more research on the on the company. Um

[1:05:47] why don't we do um

[1:05:52] why don't you just share the concerns that the board's unfamiliar with this

[1:05:56] contract and that they're taking a little bit of caution and totally agree

[1:06:02] with the uh non-disclosure of proprietary information. I mean you

[1:06:08] agree with all that right? Uh totally agree with that. Any other intellectual

[1:06:14] pro anything like that kind of stuff if they can word it more

[1:06:18] » towards that. >> Yeah.

[1:06:23] » And then same time we don't want to turn them away either if they're

[1:06:28] » I'll make a motion. We table request.

[1:06:33] » Did you say >> I'm sorry. Yes.

[1:06:35] » Sorry for you.

[1:06:39] » I know. Yeah. All right. We have a motion and a second. Any further

[1:06:43] discussion? >> Can I say something? Can I ask a

[1:06:47] question? >> If you guys sign that agreement, does

[1:06:50] that give them blanket authority to greenlight any project they decide to

[1:06:55] buy? >> No, it it doesn't give them any

[1:06:58] authority. Um, no development can be done without all of the other approvals

[1:07:02] that are required by any other development. And it is very specifically

[1:07:07] a non-exclusive agreement. So, it doesn't give them any rights to shut out

[1:07:11] competitors. >> It's simply it's basically an assurance

[1:07:16] to them that the city does want them to proceed with uh trying to develop a

[1:07:22] project and that we won't take their designs and shop them around other

[1:07:27] developers. >> So, it's basically an NDA

[1:07:30] » more or less. It's actually less than an NDA because

[1:07:35] it uh it does specifically reference Indiana law for open records. So, you

[1:07:41] know, except very limited circumstances, we

[1:07:45] can't even maintain confidentiality of the information. All we can do is notify

[1:07:50] them that the records have been requested and we have to follow state

[1:07:52] law. >> They've been pretty reasonable on

[1:07:56] everything else you've asked them to change in it. Yeah,

[1:07:59] » this would be >> Yeah, I' I've had some some great

[1:08:02] conversations with their corporate attorney about uh Indiana law and what's

[1:08:07] required. So, >> all right. So,

[1:08:09] » have they done other projects in the state of Indiana?

[1:08:13] » Uh, this would be the first one in Indiana. They actually have not

[1:08:16] completed this entity has not completed any projects yet. They have some

[1:08:20] projects underway in Florida and Texas. Um like I said the the partners of the

[1:08:28] entity come from uh long industry backgrounds but uh

[1:08:33] » all in their own niche >> right

[1:08:35] » so like the arts square found >> yeah Tony R is also the president of R

[1:08:40] squared sustainable solutions um I believe they installed the solar array

[1:08:46] on top of the ree theater and they're currently um in discussions with the

[1:08:50] aquatic center to try to identify some uh um energy saving opportunities there.

[1:08:57] So Tony is president of that company. >> He is the chief sustainability officer

[1:09:04] for Future Habitat Inc.

[1:09:08] » And then they've got other specialists. There are experts in various areas from

[1:09:15] engineering and design to um zoning and land use that have come together from

[1:09:22] their back different backgrounds to form this new entity.

[1:09:29] » Yeah. Um these are manufactured in a factory setting. That's the way I

[1:09:34] understand it. Um um

[1:09:40] kind of a Uh and then they're brought in and

[1:09:43] stacked and I think even Mr. Burgers talked about something like that too.

[1:09:48] But uh and then they've even talked about find

[1:09:53] a place to manufacture looking for space. I mean so

[1:09:59] I think that's we got a motion and we have a second. Is there any more?

[1:10:04] » I think that's a good plan. We can >> Yeah, we can certainly

[1:10:07] » go back to them and and >> something we're not have conversations

[1:10:11] with >> any members of the board about specific

[1:10:15] concerns you have and what you'd like to see in the agreement.

[1:10:17] » Check it out. >> Take it back to them.

[1:10:19] » All in favor say I. >> I. Those opposed? Nay.

[1:10:24] » Okay.

[1:10:29] » That's all I have right now. >> Okay.

[1:10:33] Lyn, good evening.

[1:10:35] » Good evening.

[1:10:39] So, we have before you resolution 2025

[1:10:45] 11167, a resolution of the Plymouth Board of Public Works and Safety

[1:10:50] Committee establishing the date and time for Halloween 2025.

[1:11:00] » So, be on Halloween. >> It'll be on Halloween.

[1:11:05] » Do you need me to read the resolution?

[1:11:09] Didn't you do a funny one last year? She did.

[1:11:11] » Well, this one is kind of >> Let read it.

[1:11:14] » This one's This one's different this year.

[1:11:16] » Okay. >> Whereas the city of Plymouth

[1:11:20] acknowledges the rich for folklore, mysterious whispers, and spectral

[1:11:26] sightings that have long haunted the heartland.

[1:11:32] Whereas Halloween offers the perfect occasion to honor our ghostly heritage,

[1:11:38] celebrate the supernatural, and invite residents to rival in the eerie beauty

[1:11:44] of the season. Now therefore, be it result that the

[1:11:49] spirits of our community are free to roam the neighborhoods on Friday,

[1:11:54] October 31st from 5 to 7:00 p.m. Be it further resolved that the PL that

[1:12:01] Plymouth shall embrace its haunted heart of with pride, transforming Halloween

[1:12:07] into a celebration of mystery, memory, and community spirit where every shadow

[1:12:14] tells a story and every whisper might be a ghost.

[1:12:23] » I like it. I like it. >> I'll entertain a motion. moved. We have

[1:12:29] a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor

[1:12:34] say I. I. >> Oppos? Nay. Very good.

[1:12:39] » Okay. Now we are down to requests.

[1:12:45] » You have two ground.

[1:12:52] » We have a request this evening to place a dumpster at 520 East Street. actually

[1:12:57] on the Liberty Street side um by Steve Glosski. And Steve, would you like to

[1:13:03] come up here and discuss this?

[1:13:10] » No relation.

[1:13:14] » No blood. >> Good evening, Steve Gorski, 805 Baker

[1:13:17] Street. Thanks for your time tonight. My amazing wife and I are in the process of

[1:13:23] purchasing 520 East Garrow Street. It's just down the road at the corner of

[1:13:28] Liberty in Garrow Street. It's the pink house and we're requesting to be able to

[1:13:34] put a dumpster along Liberty Street. It'll be at least a minimum of 75 ft

[1:13:39] away from the corner of Liberty and Garrow Street, the intersection there.

[1:13:45] The house, we need this uh the driveway will put a 30 yard container in it. The

[1:13:51] um driveway is not long enough and it would we're going to need a 30 yard

[1:13:56] container. The house has got a lot of debris in it. Put it nicely. So, we

[1:14:02] request to be able to put a it'll be a 30-yard trash hopper on the west side of

[1:14:08] Liberty Street approximately at a minimum of 75 ft from the corner of

[1:14:14] Liberty and Geral Street.

[1:14:19] » Thank you. Yeah. and it will be for no more than seven days.

[1:14:26] So, we're going to have to work hard. >> Make a motion we approve the request.

[1:14:31] » Second. >> Okay, we have a motion to second. Any

[1:14:33] further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I.

[1:14:36] » I. >> Those opposed? Nay.

[1:14:38] » Thank you. >> Thank you. Thanks for doing that.

[1:14:47] » All right. Our final request this evening

[1:14:50] um comes from Laura Man from Ocean and City

[1:14:55] Coordinator requesting the closure of State Road 17/M

[1:15:00] Street from the Fork Street to Adam Street for the annual lighting holiday

[1:15:06] parade from 6 p.m. until 6:30 p.m. An INDOT permit has already been secured.

[1:15:14] The date of this event will be Saturday, November 29th.

[1:15:22] » Sorry. Christmas tree lighting ceremony at the end of all that.

[1:15:26] » Thank you. >> Second.

[1:15:28] » I have a motion a second. All in favor or any further discussion?

[1:15:32] All >> in favor say I.

[1:15:35] » I. >> Those opposed? Nay.

[1:15:43] Okay. Somebody like to make a motion on the approval of claims, please move.

[1:15:48] » Second. >> Okay. We have a motion, a second. Any

[1:15:51] further discussion? All in favor say I. I.

[1:15:54] » Those opposed? Nay.

[1:15:57] » Acceptance of communications.

[1:16:02] » Motion. >> Second.

[1:16:04] » Any further discussion? >> All in favor say I. I.

[1:16:07] » Those opposed? Nay. And now number 10. >> Very good. We'll take about two or three

[1:16:13] minutes and then we'll get right into our next meeting.

[1:22:31] like to call to order the September 22 22 22nd 2025 U common council meeting.

[1:22:41] Council member, >> join me in prayer, please. Gracious God,

[1:22:44] we can't thank you enough for the

[1:22:46] opportunity to come together tonight to discuss the needs of this great city. We

[1:22:51] continue to seek your guidance and your wisdom and everything that we do, not

[1:22:55] only at this level, but also within the departments and the department heads and

[1:22:58] the employees that work within those departments. We ask that you continue to

[1:23:02] provide safety, make them aware of one another, and look out for one another.

[1:23:07] Lord, we continue to pray for not only the city, but the state of Indiana, the

[1:23:11] country, and the world. We continue to seek your guidance in all that we do.

[1:23:15] These things we ask in your name. Amen. >> Amen.

[1:23:19] » Thank you. Join me in the pledge of allegiance.

[1:23:24] » I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

[1:23:30] for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and

[1:23:36] justice for all. >> Thank you.

[1:23:41] Here [Applause]

[1:23:45] we go. >> Roll call, please.

[1:23:50] » Call >> here.

[1:23:52] » Hecker >> here.

[1:23:53] » Wall >> here.

[1:23:54] » Water >> here.

[1:23:55] » Builder >> here.

[1:23:56] » Maro >> here.

[1:23:58] » Star >> here.

[1:24:00] » Thank you. I entertain a motion to approve the minutes from our September

[1:24:04] 8th meet meeting. >> Move to approve the minutes.

[1:24:08] » Second. >> Have a motion and a second. Any further

[1:24:10] discussion hearing? None. All in favor say I.

[1:24:13] » I. >> Those opposed? Nay. Thank you.

[1:24:19] » All right. Anything from the board this evening?

[1:24:23] » Your honor, if I may. Um about uh late last year I reached out to

[1:24:30] Patriot Rail regarding the rail crossing on Lake Avenue and we were given a

[1:24:37] initially a commitment that it would be done by the end of the second quarter

[1:24:41] which would have been June 30th. That has come and gone obviously but during

[1:24:45] that time I have been in contact consistently with them and thought we

[1:24:51] were going to have something in July. Then we got into some issues. You have

[1:24:56] to have this approval, that approval from the state. You have to get a hold

[1:24:59] of a flagger. You got to do this. You got to do that. A lot of things I

[1:25:01] learned. Uh, and I reached out to Jim Marquette for some assistance. And Jim

[1:25:06] has been very helpful as well. Um, and I followed up again today. I've been doing

[1:25:11] this about every two to three weeks just to let them know that we know it needs

[1:25:15] to be done and that they had committed to having it done. And it was through

[1:25:19] the uh media that helped raise this awareness as you recall and get this

[1:25:24] thing moving. So, first of all, I want to thank uh AM1050 and the Plymouth

[1:25:29] Pilot News as well for helping our cause here. But I the latest update I have is

[1:25:35] I received a a email from a gentleman by the name of Allan Woodyard

[1:25:40] uh with Patriot Rail and basically what it's reading it says I've received a

[1:25:44] quote looking for updates and the latest one was I received a quote for the

[1:25:47] flagging detour plans. So that box is checked. However,

[1:25:52] however, INDOT requires that utility locates be handled via their portal. to

[1:25:59] request such locates. We are required to register with INDOT and as of the last

[1:26:04] time I checked this morning, our application to register has not been

[1:26:08] approved. Uh they are ready to complete this as soon as the utility locate item

[1:26:12] is addressed. So this is the latest we have on this project. Uh I know it seems

[1:26:19] cumbersome. It is. But nonetheless, uh, the mayor's given me the okay to

[1:26:24] continue to pursue, continue to be a pain or a thorn or however you want to

[1:26:28] describe it. And I will admit to them I'm disappointed. I told them I'm

[1:26:34] disappointed that it's not done, but we are going to continue to see that we get

[1:26:38] this accomplished. And so, uh, I just your support in this, the public

[1:26:44] support, encouragement to to them to end, whatever it takes, Jack, Jordan,

[1:26:50] whoever we need to help get this project across the finish line would be great

[1:26:54] uh, greatly appreciated. I'm hoping we can get this thing done in October, Jim.

[1:26:58] That's my hope. Uh, we get into November, I know the asphalt companies

[1:27:03] start shutting down. So, we need to stay on top of this. We need to continue to

[1:27:08] pursue this and I will continue to do that. But I appreciate the mayor's

[1:27:12] support. >> I appreciate you staying at it with them

[1:27:15] because that's what it takes. And >> Jimmy, have you heard of that?

[1:27:20] » That after

[1:27:27] » after reading that email too, that one kind of threw me on the whole locations

[1:27:31] through the portal because I mean locate through 811. Then I got thinking, we

[1:27:35] were talking about it a little this afternoon, maybe it's for INDOTs because

[1:27:39] I don't believe they're a member of 811. So I don't know if to request INDOT to

[1:27:44] come look at something, make sure they have nothing if they have a portal for

[1:27:47] that. I don't know. That one was kind of threw me when I read that.

[1:27:50] » I say in the 30 years I've done, I've never heard of that one, but that's

[1:27:52] » but I know INDOT does not fully respond to the 811 system. So

[1:27:57] » because all our guys do INDOT work and we're registered through 811. We call

[1:28:01] 811 and that's >> Yeah. So, I'm not really sure what that

[1:28:03] was, but that was kind of >> on that, Randy. And I'll follow that up.

[1:28:07] I'll forward that on to Mr. Woodyard and >> just continue

[1:28:12] guys, but I've never heard that. I've never I've done

[1:28:16] » work with INDOT and I've never had to go through an additional training 811.

[1:28:22] » That's good to know. >> That was an interesting one.

[1:28:24] » Okay. >> But I'd like to, you know, like I said,

[1:28:26] continue to try to get this one across the finish line.

[1:28:31] Well, I I appreciate that and keep at it if you will,

[1:28:36] » but I appreciate their will. They're continuing to respond to us.

[1:28:40] » I have one thing and I just asked Jim to stay because he's going to have to

[1:28:44] answer that one, too. The most asked question is when will the bridge be

[1:28:49] drivable acades removed? So,

[1:28:56] um, on Linda's question about that, I have not seen a

[1:29:01] bridge report from Friday or today. Last week, it was a few days.

[1:29:06] » We got one on Monday last week, >> right? So, that one was a little late,

[1:29:09] so I'm sure we'll get one. That one talked about finishing the handrail,

[1:29:13] regroving or putting some grooves in the road,

[1:29:16] » lighting >> and lighting. I believe Michanna is

[1:29:20] working on the lighting, which Randy might not know that part if you

[1:29:23] » I know it. >> Okay. So, I think they're working on the

[1:29:26] lighting and getting conduit in. It looked like a lot more concrete was

[1:29:29] poured. It looked like most of the railing was up, the metal on top. So, my

[1:29:34] guess goes you. Once again, it's still a county project, but I still would hope

[1:29:39] the next few weeks, but don't know an exact date yet, but it is getting close

[1:29:44] and it's looking pretty good in there. Okay, just do that.

[1:29:51] » Anything else tonight? >> Quick ink conduit and we got some

[1:29:56] handles set in for that bridge and we're still probably a month out from

[1:30:02] getting the lighting controller. So,

[1:30:07] » yeah, >> pretty good. a little bit different

[1:30:09] lighting control, >> but yeah, basically I mean

[1:30:13] end October is what we were told before we'd have the Tesco lighting cabinet.

[1:30:18] So, >> okay. Anything else from the board

[1:30:21] tonight? Okay. I don't know who's going to present their ordinances that who's

[1:30:25] doing it. >> Okay.

[1:30:32] » Okay. You have a couple of ordinances for second third reading. The first is

[1:30:36] ordinance number 2025-2249,

[1:30:40] an ordinance for appropriations and tax rates for 2026.

[1:30:55] Make a motion we approve 2025-2249 on second reading.

[1:31:01] Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

[1:31:03] further discussion? Hearing none. Roll call vote, please.

[1:31:10] » Councilman Call, >> yes.

[1:31:12] » Ecker, >> yes.

[1:31:13] » Crackwell, >> yes.

[1:31:14] » Logan Ecker, >> yes.

[1:31:16] » Melder, >> yes.

[1:31:17] » Maro, >> yes.

[1:31:19] » Star, >> yes.

[1:31:22] » Very good. Okay, that was second reading. You also need to pass it on a

[1:31:25] third reading. >> Make a motion to pass uh ordinance

[1:31:30] 2025-2249 on third reading.

[1:31:34] Second >> motion and a second. Any further

[1:31:36] discussion? >> Roll call vote, please.

[1:31:39] » Councilman Call, >> yes.

[1:31:41] » Ecker, >> yes.

[1:31:42] » Crapall, >> yes.

[1:31:43] » Longer, >> yes.

[1:31:45] » Melder, >> yes.

[1:31:46] » Maro, >> yes.

[1:31:47] » Star, >> yes.

[1:31:50] » Okay. The next item is ordinance number 2025-2250,

[1:31:55] an ordinance fixing salaries for the year 2026 for the elected officials of

[1:31:59] the city of Plymouth, Indiana.

[1:32:06] Make a motion to pass ordinance 202522 50 on second.

[1:32:14] » Second. >> We have a motion in a second. Any

[1:32:16] further discussion? Roll call vote, please.

[1:32:20] » Councilman Co, >> yes.

[1:32:23] » Ecker, >> yes.

[1:32:25] » Yes. >> Logan,

[1:32:26] » yes. >> Milder,

[1:32:27] » yes. >> Maro,

[1:32:28] » yes. >> Star,

[1:32:30] » yes.

[1:32:33] You have a second reading. You still need a third reading.

[1:32:35] » Make a motion we approve 2025-2250. Third reading. Second.

[1:32:41] » Have a motion and second. Any further discussion? We'll call vote, please.

[1:32:46] » Councilman call. >> Yes.

[1:32:48] » Yes. >> Wall.

[1:32:50] » Yes. >> Worker.

[1:32:52] » Yes. >> Mother.

[1:32:53] » Yes. >> Maro.

[1:32:54] » Yes. >> Yes.

[1:32:57] » Okay. Okay. Moving down the agenda, I think the next item is discussion of

[1:33:04] updates to the ADA transition plan. So the ADA transition plan is our report

[1:33:11] that shows where in the city we are focused on um improving or creating uh

[1:33:19] ADA uh structures for sidewalks at intersections. Uh Ken Vores before he

[1:33:27] moved on to another opportunity worked very hard in our engineering department

[1:33:32] to update this plan um specifically identifying intersections that had

[1:33:38] already been improved and uh determining the priorities for the city moving

[1:33:43] forward. You can see that's all laid out in the plan. There is no action required

[1:33:49] tonight. This is being presented to you forformational purposes. It will be

[1:33:55] advertised and a comment period begins so that anyone in the public can review

[1:34:00] this and present comments. It will come back to you at your second meeting in

[1:34:05] October for final consideration. And I understand from Kyle that it is now up

[1:34:12] on the city's website as well. So, if any member of the public wants to review

[1:34:16] this plan, they can obtain it through the website electronically or they can

[1:34:21] come into the city office and request a hard copy.

[1:34:27] But like I said, no action is required from you tonight.

[1:34:31] So, we can move on to resolution number. >> We got you. Lyn has a donation. She

[1:34:38] wants to have a donation. Sorry. Came in late.

[1:34:43] » No problem. want to apologize for

[1:34:47] » city of Plymouth has received a donation from Jean Sponsor in memory of Brian

[1:34:53] Rens in the amount of $250 to be used for the mayor's summer view music. I'm

[1:34:59] asking if you wish to accept this donation with the restricted terms,

[1:35:03] conditions, and purpose attached to the donation. If so, the donation will be

[1:35:08] receded into the monetary gift fund. >> So moved. Second.

[1:35:13] » Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

[1:35:16] » All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:35:18] » Those opposed? Nay. >> Okay, Jeff.

[1:35:21] » Okay, now we can move on to resolution number 2025-1168,

[1:35:26] a resolution of the city of Plymouth Common Council authorizing the clerk

[1:35:29] treasurer to transfer funds from the rainy day fund to the unsafe building

[1:35:33] fund. I think you were all here and heard the discussion during the board of

[1:35:36] public works and safety meeting about the point and the stay of the demolition

[1:35:42] order for 30 days pending a possible sale and uh improvements to that

[1:35:47] property. So, as I stated during that meeting, I recommend that you proceed

[1:35:53] with transferring the funds and expect to see a resolution for an additional

[1:36:00] appropriation at your next meeting. uh this is so that you can keep the process

[1:36:04] moving. If for some reason that sale were to fall through then we don't want

[1:36:09] to start over from the very beginning. >> So as of right now that demolition order

[1:36:15] is stayed but uh like I said I recommend that you proceed with this transfer of

[1:36:20] funds. Just a quick question. If this does not

[1:36:25] continue as far as the demolition and what have you, the funds that's in

[1:36:29] there, can we move it back to the rainy day fund if we don't need it?

[1:36:41] » Yes, we could. However, however,

[1:36:46] » in your um approval of the um budget ordinance for 2026,

[1:36:53] the um there is not enough cash if we could proceed with this demolition.

[1:37:00] There would not be enough cash in there to fund the budget

[1:37:05] for 2026. So if this doesn't get spent for this

[1:37:11] demolition, then it would just remain in the unsafe building fund for any future

[1:37:20] demolitions or legal advertising that needs to be done for unsafe buildings.

[1:37:27] » Thank you. >> That helps a lot. Thank you.

[1:37:32] » Do we know what our spec was on from the contract? how many days they had to hold

[1:37:36] their price. >> I don't recall that being specified in

[1:37:40] the contract itself. Um I think that'll have to be something the building

[1:37:44] commissioner can discuss with the uh the contractor to determine if they'll hold

[1:37:49] that price or to review their quotes just to see if they stated it on there.

[1:37:54] » We'll suggest that to Dennis and see if he can clarify.

[1:38:01] I'd make a motion to pass resolution 2025-1168.

[1:38:06] » Second. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

[1:38:09] further discussion? I'm just going to do it quick. All in

[1:38:13] favor say I. >> Those opposed, nay.

[1:38:17] » Very good. >> Next, you have resolution number

[1:38:20] 2025-1169. a resolution of the city of Plymouth

[1:38:24] declaring certain real estate to be within an economic revitalization area,

[1:38:29] excuse me, pursuant to Indiana code 61.112.1

[1:38:34] for American Containers, Inc., this is a application for a tax abatement and you

[1:38:41] have the SP1 in your packet and I'll remind you that this is the first step

[1:38:47] in the process. This is the uh declaratory resolution and uh if you

[1:38:53] approve this then there would be a public hearing and a confirmatory

[1:38:57] resolution at your next meeting to finalize the tax payment. I believe that

[1:39:03] uh Shively from MCDC and representatives of American containers are here tonight

[1:39:08] if you have any questions for them.

[1:39:14] » Any questions? I know that uh Greg Hildebrand had a previously scheduled

[1:39:19] commitment and um so we got an upgrade to Lorna tonight representing MCBC.

[1:39:30] » Be kind. This is the first time I've done this. It'll be great.

[1:39:36] So with the uh with the application for this tax abatement, I can tell you that

[1:39:42] the equipment investment from American Container is $5.8 million.

[1:39:48] They will be retaining 73 employees and conservatively adding two employees and

[1:39:55] the wages for these jobs start at $23 an hour and benefits and retirement pension

[1:40:02] plans are on top of that. So the $23 an hour is the baseline

[1:40:08] and that's what I can tell you. And the gentlemen are here if you have if you

[1:40:13] want to see pictures. I know they all have piles that they can share the

[1:40:16] pictures and I think you've seen those and

[1:40:19] so this is a good thing for the community.

[1:40:22] » You want to add anybody >> come right on up. Yep.

[1:40:35] Thank you. And I would also ask that you be kind even though this is not my first

[1:40:39] time in front of you. Um well, first of all, Mr. Mayor,

[1:40:45] council members, madam treasurer, it is always an honor

[1:40:50] to be in front of this group in a community that has done so well for

[1:40:54] American containers and we hope we've returned that to the community as well.

[1:40:58] Um what we are uh faced with is an opportunity to expand in our uh box

[1:41:05] making standard carton making portion of our business. We have three main lakes

[1:41:10] that we specialize in. One of which is corrugated honeycomb that we sold at one

[1:41:16] time to Young Door Corporation which is the building we now occupy uh which

[1:41:21] became Jeldwin but that is a specialized area and we have developed that over the

[1:41:25] years and keep making investments into that ongoingly. Secondly we uh do a

[1:41:32] significant amount of business in with the pharmaceutical industry

[1:41:36] uh highdensity polyethylene and polyropylene packaging. We manufacture.

[1:41:42] We sold to people like Fizer, Amgen, Eli, Lily, Gehimer. We sell not only to

[1:41:48] the pharmaceutical firms themselves, but also to the glass makers and many of

[1:41:54] those are based in Germany and in Europe, but have facilities here in the

[1:41:58] states. We do export product to Ireland and Italy uh with significant uh

[1:42:04] shipments that again when you allowed us our variance and Jim and the street

[1:42:12] department and we all worked together and we were able to expand our building

[1:42:16] as we did two just over two years ago that allowed us to invest and we put in

[1:42:21] equipment and expanded greatly because of the demands of the pandemic and

[1:42:26] considerable growth that we've uh maintained since. So those two areas we

[1:42:31] are fairly well up to date on technology and capacity. But our box making

[1:42:37] equipment as I tried to explain to some of you and I'm sorry I missed some of

[1:42:41] the meeting uh my wife had a medical appointment but um there are 1,400

[1:42:47] corrugated box plants in the United States. We have three and so we are the

[1:42:54] tail, not the dog. But we have some great positions within organizations.

[1:43:00] And in 2020 when we expanded our facility in California, we made an

[1:43:06] investment into an EMBA printing flexo folder gluer. It was the biggest

[1:43:12] investment we had made in a piece of equipment. It has dramatically affected

[1:43:18] the success and growth and our capabilities to sell packaging

[1:43:22] throughout the state of California. And we have some fantastic

[1:43:27] blue chip collar type of uh customers there. And what I'm going to ask u Pete

[1:43:34] to explain to you our general manager just about a little bit of the

[1:43:37] capabilities of the equipment that might resolve any questions you have. Its

[1:43:43] capabilities are so dramatic in efficiency to where we stand now and

[1:43:48] secondly in quality control. It is the standard that the rest of the world goes

[1:43:53] by. The company is named is EMBA and they are out of Sweden and that piece of

[1:44:00] equipment has made our plant literally more successful than it had ever been in

[1:44:08] California in the first eight years of its existence. the last five years, the

[1:44:12] development and growth of our box business there has just absolutely taken

[1:44:18] off and it's been tremendous. So, as we stand here today, I'll just summarize

[1:44:22] that our opportunity is for a customer named Amgen, which a very large

[1:44:27] pharmaceutical. You may see their name on television with uh pharmaceutical

[1:44:32] commercials. We sell them packaging in Columbus, Ohio that we are manufacturing

[1:44:40] and shipping from Stockton, California because that's the only piece of

[1:44:45] equipment that will meet their rigid quality standards.

[1:44:50] So, we know that our customer is being patient at the moment, but that freight

[1:44:55] bill from California is significant and they're going to want us in Indiana to

[1:45:00] have this equipment. And that's why we're advancing this project and

[1:45:04] purchase orders so that we can put into Plymouth in our existing building the

[1:45:10] same uh I would call it the EMBA 2.0. They've made some upgrades, but it's

[1:45:16] virtually the same piece of equipment we have in California. So that's our

[1:45:21] background. We will add conservatively two jobs. We know that it will be more,

[1:45:27] but we're going to have to absolutely get some of the top trained people to

[1:45:31] run this piece of equipment. It is PLC controlled. And when I started in the

[1:45:37] business, everything was handfed, letter press, mechanically adjusted, you

[1:45:43] cranked on a lever. It just doesn't work that way anymore. We need better trained

[1:45:48] uh people as operators for this. So Pete, could you just take a minute to

[1:45:53] please explain a little bit about Does anybody not have some information that

[1:45:57] would like a copy of this? We have Okay, anyone does, please. Pete. Sure. Sure.

[1:46:03] Thank you for the opportunity to present for you. As Mike said, I'm Pete Weedoff.

[1:46:07] I'm the general manager at the Indiana location. Uh so this machine um has got

[1:46:13] the the best technology that I've seen in 30 plus years in the packaging

[1:46:17] industry. uh this customer Amgen that Mike has

[1:46:21] talked about is requiring quality specifications

[1:46:25] tighter than our industry standard and so far this machine is the only machine

[1:46:30] that we found in the market that can maintain those standards consistently.

[1:46:35] So not only will it en enable us to uh provide that good quality not only for

[1:46:41] that customer but for the rest of our customer base and give us an opportunity

[1:46:44] to grow for more sophisticated customers that require that type of quality uh

[1:46:51] aspect of it. In addition, this machine is almost double the speed capability of

[1:46:58] our fastest machine that we have in Plymouth today. So it really hits two

[1:47:03] points. The quality, the control that we can maintain with that plus some speed

[1:47:08] to be able to grow uh and continue to grow in in Plymouth as they have over 60

[1:47:13] years. So any questions? One, first of all, thanks for giving me

[1:47:20] as much time as you guys did last week. I had a lot of questions. It was great.

[1:47:25] » It was fun. One question I failed to ask though is how many shifts will this

[1:47:30] machine run? Is this a one shift, eight hour shift, 12 hour shift?

[1:47:34] » Right. So, currently the plan is like our current operation, we have four

[1:47:38] 10-hour shifts. >> Four 10our shift

[1:47:40] » and then Fridays are overtime if needed if you know if there's more orders than

[1:47:44] what we can get done in four days. So,

[1:47:49] » 24 hours.

[1:47:53] Thank you. >> Any other questions?

[1:47:56] All right. Thank you. >> I have one question though. Is this 10

[1:48:01] year? Is it starting 100% going down 10% or what? How many years is this for

[1:48:05] abandonment for? >> So that'll be in the confirmatory

[1:48:10] resolution at your next meeting, but um in the past our standard abatement scale

[1:48:18] has been based on a seven-year abatement. However, because of changes

[1:48:23] in state law, um we're proposing to reduce that to for personal property to

[1:48:30] a five-year abatement at a 20% phase in per year. So again, that'll be in the

[1:48:37] resolution for your next meeting.

[1:48:46] » There's no other questions. I'll make a motion to approve resolution

[1:48:50] 2025-1169. >> Second.

[1:48:54] » Okay, we have a motion and we have a second. Any further discussion?

[1:49:00] Hearing none. All in favor will say I. >> I.

[1:49:03] » Those opposed? Nay. Unanimous.

[1:49:08] » Mike, thank you. >> Thank you all very much. I appreciate

[1:49:12] the time and the working together in this community. We appreciate you being

[1:49:15] here. >> Well, we plan to stay

[1:49:18] that. >> Thanks, John. Appreciate you all. Good

[1:49:22] to see you. Good to see you. Take care. >> I'm sorry I'm going to delay you all. I

[1:49:25] just

[1:49:33] Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thanks.

[1:49:39] » All right, Jeff. >> Okay, next item is a one Marshall County

[1:49:43] update. So at the board meeting last week, we saw a uh draft of the strategic

[1:49:49] plan and specifically um working to identify um action items within the

[1:49:56] different the five different pillars of one Marshall County. So again, it's a

[1:50:01] draft plan uh based on feedback from the various committees and we're hoping to

[1:50:06] finalize that by next month. Um comprehensive plan update. The one thing

[1:50:12] I want to share is I know that Tai completed a review of all of the um

[1:50:20] goals and action steps in the comprehensive plan. And in a plan that

[1:50:27] is anticipated to take um a decade or two to complete if at all, we have now

[1:50:36] either started or completed approximately 74% of the goals within

[1:50:44] the plan. So, there is a very real possibility that we will need to update

[1:50:49] the comprehensive plan before the expected end date because

[1:50:55] we're making fast progress. We're going to run out of things to do. Um, that's

[1:51:00] the update I have for you. If you have any other questions,

[1:51:04] was that a question? >> No, we just

[1:51:10] » Okay, then that's all I have. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you.

[1:51:17] Okay. Privilege of the floor directed to the

[1:51:22] agenda items only tonight's anything.

[1:51:27] Very good. I'll entertain a motion to approve the acceptance of communications

[1:51:32] in your packet. >> I move to approve the acceptance of the

[1:51:35] communications. >> Second.

[1:51:37] » Motion and second. Any further discussion? All in favor say I. I. Those

[1:51:41] oppos. Number eight. Thank you.

[1:51:44] » Second.

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