[4:07] Okay, it's seven o'clock. We're going to call this meeting

[4:09] to order. Welcome everybody. We'll start off in a good

[4:12] way with the territorial land acknowledgement. The city of Port

[4:16] Moody carries out our business on the ancestral and unseated

[4:19] homelands of the Quakewitlam, Slail with Tooth, Musquim, Squamish, Katzy,

[4:24] Kwantlun, Kikate, and Stolo Peoples and extends appreciation for the

[4:27] opportunity to work on this territory. Next time is adoption

[4:32] of the agenda. And I will move that the agenda,

[4:38] the adopted as circulated with the following amendments. We have

[4:40] a couple of typos, and the one item to add.

[4:44] Replacing the memo for item 7. 1 adoption of ACC

[4:49] bylaw and DCC bylaw, number 3550 with the memo is

[4:52] provided in the on - table package. That's due to

[4:54] a typo, replacing the memo for 1. 1. 2 heritage

[4:58] alteration permit, 101 first Avenue with MMO as provided in

[5:02] the on - table package. Same reason. And then the

[5:05] addition of 11. 5, which is federal rail safety improvement

[5:08] program grant intake. So that's been moved. Is there a

[5:12] seconder? All in favor. Posed, carried. Thank you. Okay, we'll

[5:20] move on to art at Council, and I will provide

[5:23] Councillor Knowles with the chair for a moment. Go ahead.

[5:29] Thank you so much, Mayor. Tonight we are pleased to

[5:31] welcome Jenna Wynd, a third year visual art student at

[5:34] Emily Carr University. Jenna is the recipient of the 2026

[5:38] CREAM Choice Scholarship at Pomo Arts. Her artistic practice includes

[5:42] Ink drawing and middle sculpture, while intricate line drawings were

[5:46] once her primary focus, her work has recently evolved as

[5:48] she learns to draw with steel. Tonight we are delighted

[5:52] to present Labyrinthine, a sculpture made from welded steel rods.

[5:56] Jenna describes her sculptural process as fierce physically demanding and

[6:00] often intense, stark contrast to the intimate and quiet act

[6:03] of drawing. Labyrinthin, you will have to tell me if

[6:06] I'm mispronouncing that when you come up. As part of

[6:09] a larger body of work that explores the workaround her

[6:11] and responds to dominant narratives of war, discrimination, uncertainty and

[6:15] imbalance. Themes that have become increasingly present in our everyday

[6:19] lives. Additional works by Jenna can be viewed at Pomo

[6:22] Arts as part of her solo exhibition Laguna on display

[6:26] until August 30th. Please join me in welcoming Jenna. We

[6:30] look forward to hearing more about your artistic practice. Hi

[6:35] Jenna, welcome. I also wanted to say before you begin,

[6:38] I've seen your exhibition. I've been to Pomar at a

[6:40] couple times. I took my daughter on the weekend and

[6:42] I really thought it was very thought - provoking. I

[6:45] really love the wax one in particular. Oh great, thank

[6:48] you so much. Welcome. Hi, good evening. Thank you so

[6:51] much for having me. It's actually really nice feedback in

[6:54] Port Moody. I was actually born here. So it's nice

[6:56] to be coming back and forth. Welcome home. Artwork here.

[7:00] My practice involves expressing myself through sculpture and detailed ink

[7:04] and graphite drawings, working in sculpture is a fairly new

[7:07] practice for me. Within the last year, I've learned all

[7:09] of my techniques in metalworking. Previously all of my work

[7:13] had just been revolved around line drawing. But more recently

[7:17] I'm learning to take that drawing style and apply it

[7:18] to steel to make something a lot more fluid through

[7:21] something so rigid and very difficult to work with. My

[7:25] methodology within working with metal is it's often quite, it's

[7:31] very strenuous, very fierce and very loud. It's a very

[7:33] demanding process and this is a really interesting contrast to

[7:36] my drawing, which is very quiet and very intimate. So

[7:39] these two processes inform each other and they kind of,

[7:42] I explore the two rigors between the disparate connections between

[7:45] these two to similar practices. Um, and the work today

[7:48] I brought is called Labyrinthine. It's a steel sculpture that

[7:51] I welded, formed, and very heavily grinded. Uh, the piece

[7:54] was a starting point for the collection of work that

[7:56] I'm currently presenting at home or art centre. Um, the

[7:59] body work is titled La Kuna and this refers to

[8:02] the spaces in between or a gap or a missing

[8:04] piece. Um, the resulting works in this collection reflect abro

[8:08] and unfiltered interpretation of my understanding of the world, embracing

[8:12] its cultural. I'm sorry, it's critical flaws, influences and complexities.

[8:17] Uh, this body of work is my attempt to understand

[8:19] the outer world around me, the dominant narratives of a

[8:22] war, discrimination, uncertainty, and imbalance that has become a consistent

[8:26] theme to contend with an everyday life. Uh, this emotive

[8:29] burden feeds into the tension that I explore within my

[8:32] work and drives the energy that I use to create

[8:34] within my practice. Um, I work as best understood through

[8:38] your own exploration. And this is a direct line into

[8:40] my method of thinking. Uh, my newest body work combined

[8:44] steel blown glass and wax. And you can see a

[8:46] little bit of this at pomerart centre. And hopefully I'll

[8:48] have more to come. Uh, the exhibitions on until the

[8:51] 30th. And thank you so much for your time. Thank

[8:53] you so much. Any other comments from council? I see

[8:58] Councillor Dilworth has. Just absolutely gorgeous. How long did it

[9:04] take you from the time you first started thinking about

[9:08] this idea until it was completed? This one took about,

[9:12] I think, 50 hours of work. Okay. Um, yes. Wow.

[9:17] And people may not see from the audience, but it's

[9:19] just got this intricate texturing throughout. Is it meant to

[9:23] be touched at all? Cause I'm a tactile person. I

[9:26] was going to touch it. My time. I better not.

[9:28] You're welcome to touch it. It is, um, it's, it's

[9:30] all of it. It's built up weld. So it's, it's

[9:32] done with hours of taking a welding gun and essentially

[9:35] drawing the material onto it. Quite a few hours of

[9:39] just grinding and finishing that material off. So it kind

[9:41] of resembles tree bark or a little bit of like

[9:44] intricate, um, I guess like cell structures as well through

[9:47] the process. Yeah. It's gorgeous. And that's a very cool

[9:50] explanation of that texturing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you

[9:55] very much for being here. It's absolutely beautiful. Peace as

[9:59] Councillor Dilworth stated. And I'm so happy to have you

[10:01] here. And welcome home. Thank you so much. You're welcome.

[10:04] Thank you for coming. Thank you. All right. So, uh,

[10:13] the next item is, do I need to read this

[10:16] statement? Uh, we're here. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Uh, would have

[10:20] been public, but it's public input, but that has been

[10:22] pause. To comply with provincial legislation on election advertising. There

[10:27] will be no, no, no, input agenda item at Council

[10:32] meetings conducted between July 20th and October 17th during this

[10:37] time the public is welcome to email counsel at Council

[10:39] at Portmoody. ca. We'll move to adoption of the minutes.

[10:44] Uh, so that is July 7th, July 14th. Moved. Is

[10:49] there a seconded all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you.

[10:53] Which brings us to the consent agenda. Councillor Lurbecki. I'd

[11:01] like to pull 7. 2 adoption development cost charge expenditure

[11:04] by Laufra Parkland Acquisition and 7. 9 development permit for

[11:08] BD centre TOD. Okay. Thank you. Um, hang on. Let's

[11:12] let me put that down. All right. Councillor Knolls. Uh,

[11:17] 7. 8 please. 7. 8. Okay. And we'll go. Is

[11:24] there somebody else. Had, okay. Okay. That's great. Uh, Councillor

[11:29] Dilworth is moving the rest as a block. It's been

[11:31] seconded. Um, all in favor. Opposed carried. Thank you very

[11:37] much. So we will go to 7. 2 councillor Lurbecki.

[11:42] Uh, thank you. I just wanted to pull this because

[11:43] I'll be voting against. Do you want to move somebody

[11:46] want to move the motion? It's been moved in seconded.

[11:49] Um, any conversation. Nope. I'll call the question then all

[11:52] in favor. Opposed Councillor Larbecchi as opposed. We'll go to

[11:57] Councillor Knowles item, which is item 7. 8. Thank you

[12:05] so much. Um, so at our January 13th, 2026 meeting

[12:12] and in response to Council's decision to build a temporary

[12:14] basketball court at the old fire hell lens. We had

[12:17] a speaker come forward at public input that night to

[12:20] express this disappointment that there's been little action or progress

[12:23] made on the recommendations of two previous parks in rec

[12:26] slash environment subcommittee reports struck in 2019 and 2022. Um,

[12:31] those subcommittees conducted significant in - depth studies into the

[12:34] state of our neighbourhood and community parks. And I remember

[12:38] very clearly the report from July 22 because that was

[12:41] a member of the Parks and Rec Commission at the

[12:43] time it was called, actually as was Councillor Lebecky. And

[12:47] we heard the report firsthand and its recommendations. And that

[12:51] report was then referred to Council at an meeting that

[12:56] shortly followed and asked to consider. Um, as a result

[13:00] of the speaker at that January 13th meeting, Councillor Lubick

[13:03] moved that staff report on progress and upcoming initiatives on

[13:07] neighbourhood park use promotion and enhancement, which was greatly appreciated.

[13:12] Um, as of the writing of the 22, 2022 report,

[13:15] there were 16 parks in Port Moted classified as neighbourhood.

[13:18] This included three newer parks and one newer park that

[13:22] had been classified as neighbourhood, but was reclassified as natural

[13:25] for net inventory change of two since the 2015 report.

[13:30] And as a result of that motion made January 23rd

[13:35] to 13, January 13th, we have that report from staff

[13:38] tonight. And that is 7. 8 in the item. Here

[13:40] that I've pulled. Now the report has a lot of

[13:44] great information. And while I appreciate the mini updates that

[13:47] provide, I think some members of both council and the

[13:49] public were disappointed at the lack of focus on, um,

[13:52] neighbourhood and community parks. That it contains. The specific motion,

[14:00] again, was report back on progress and upcoming initish on

[14:07] neighbourhood park use promotion and enhancement. The current report blends

[14:12] in trails larger city community parks like Aspenwood, North Shore,

[14:16] old orchard, rocky point, West Hill, et cetera. I think

[14:20] what we were looking for was perhaps a dedicated inventory

[14:22] of the 13 specific neighbourhood parks. And whether any have

[14:27] been added, removed, we classified, et cetera. Not yet inventoried.

[14:32] And I believe there are several. So with all that

[14:34] said, and I will look to the clerk for assistance

[14:38] here. I don't know if I want to oppose the

[14:40] recommendation here tonight, which is that this B receiver information.

[14:43] Because I would like to move instead that we redirect

[14:45] staff to rewrite this report and focus its neighbourhood on

[14:50] neighbourhood and community parks on a more wholesome basis with

[14:54] consideration of capacity, use, future needs, the needs of seniors

[14:58] and other demographic shifts of the residents, living near these

[15:01] neighbourhood sites or not, as the case may be the

[15:04] 2022, um, report identified at least three areas of Port

[15:08] Moody that are not serviced by any community or neighbourhood

[15:10] parks. And we believe that the oversight and other pertinent

[15:15] matters as appropriate. So, um, assuming that this fails, the

[15:20] motion, we can receive this, then we cannot give further

[15:23] direction. Okay. So my motion then would be that we,

[15:26] um, direct staff, um, let's, let's receive this for information.

[15:32] That what's being presented and further direct staff. Okay. That's

[15:35] fine. So that's fine. I will move that we receive

[15:38] this and then would it be a motion rising mayor.

[15:40] Yep. Okay. So let's - And I'll do that. Let's

[15:42] receive. Um, it's been seconded all in favor. Opposed carried.

[15:46] Now Councillor, you have a motion arising? Yes. Um, but

[15:49] if I may just continue a little bit, have you

[15:53] provided your motion to staff? I have not. I am

[15:55] just a little bit winging it. I'm kind of winging

[15:58] it here. Thank you. That's okay. Um, yes. And you

[16:01] know, I wanted to mention as well, like in 2025,

[16:03] we had charted a path forward with a trail network

[16:05] plan 30 year trail network plan. And it's, it's a

[16:07] great piece of work. Um, staff of denigrate job on

[16:09] that and on our larger master plans, um, but I,

[16:14] I, I don't think I'm alone in wishing that there

[16:16] was, there were more of a focus on neighbourhood parks.

[16:20] And those that we visit on a regular basis, we

[16:23] want residents to have access to parks within walking distance.

[16:27] And that is, as we grow and as generally the

[16:32] population increases, it becomes more and more important. And thanks

[16:36] Mr. Grassy for sending the Senate a senior's focus committee

[16:39] presentation in the spring. He mentioned that, um, our seniors

[16:41] population is going to more than double by 2039. Yeah,

[16:46] I think Councillor Dilworth is the chair of that committee.

[16:49] And, you know, there are policies in place to prioritize

[16:52] supporting seniors age. Renting out of your time limit. So

[16:55] could you please present your motion? Okay. Thanks. You get

[16:59] the gist. Yeah, we get the gist. Okay. Um, I'm

[17:02] going to move that we, that stuff, um, return with

[17:05] a report specifically on neighbourhood and community parks with consideration

[17:11] of capacity, comma, use, comma, future needs, comma, the needs

[17:16] of seniors and other demographic shifts of the residents, living

[17:21] near neighbourhood and community parks. And I, um, we'll send

[17:25] that to the spin seconded. Um, clerk, um, Madam Clerk,

[17:30] do you have that? I'm going to send it to

[17:32] her right now. Okay. That's great. Thank you so much.

[17:34] Thank you. Okay. So that's been moved and seconded. Thank

[17:38] you for that councillor. I will move on to Councillor

[17:41] Lubeck. Thank you so much. Um, no, I'm really glad

[17:44] that we're having this conversation. Sorry Councillor Morrison. You can

[17:47] bring back in. Go ahead Councillor. Sorry. Thank you. Um,

[17:53] I'm very glad we're having this conversation. I want to

[17:55] give, um, a lot of credit and kudos to staff

[17:58] for the work that has been done. Like it's an

[18:00] incredible amount of work. Um, I think we're hoping in

[18:04] addition to that to be looking at the neighbourhood park.

[18:06] So I do want to say like what an incredible

[18:08] job staff have been doing. I think in addition to

[18:11] this, um, what has been shared. And I'll see if

[18:16] I have an amendment, but hopefully it'll be a friendly

[18:18] one. In that, you know, I think one of the

[18:23] things that's important is that neighbourhood parks are very specific.

[18:30] To those populations. And obviously neighbourhoods grow and evolve. But

[18:34] I'm wondering what our opportunities would be for more neighbourhood

[18:39] consultation on what is needed for updating some of those

[18:42] neighbourhood parks. Like maybe the opportunity for co - creation.

[18:47] With some of the neighbourhoods or even community groups. Oh,

[18:50] I think a good place to start is to get

[18:53] this information that the Councillor is asking for. Perhaps maybe

[18:56] there, we can further delve into how we address the

[19:01] needs that get better rise. I think so. I think

[19:05] I'd also like to hear, and I'll think about it,

[19:08] perhaps it's not needed. Just what are some of our

[19:10] opportunities for neighbourhood engagement. Should it be needed? Okay. That's

[19:16] a good point, Councillor. Thank you for that. Um, we're

[19:21] just waiting for staff to get that up. But is

[19:23] that everything? Uh, yes, thank you. Thank you. Um, Councillor

[19:28] Dilworth. Thank you. I'm not going to repeat what Councillor

[19:32] Knowles said, but I wanted to, first of all, acknowledge

[19:35] the tremendous work that our staff have been doing in

[19:38] terms of enhancing and looking at maximizing park usage in

[19:45] smaller parts throughout the entire community. Uh, I look to

[19:48] the tremendous evolution of West Hill Park. I know we've

[19:52] been doing pop - up parks that have really, really

[19:54] worked. But I don't think that we're fully planning or

[19:58] utilising for those parks, um, like Apple Yard, like Foxwood,

[20:05] even like Flavello. Um. And I think there's an opportunity

[20:09] to do some engagement in those communities and find out

[20:13] what we need. And this is, this is not, um,

[20:16] a criticism of staff at all. It's just that this

[20:19] council has made it a very high level strategic priority

[20:22] to look at the assets that we have. And look

[20:25] how we can better them for the use of the

[20:27] neighbourhoods that they're in. So I do really appreciate the

[20:31] information we got now, but I think as a council

[20:33] to move forward strategically, we need to drill down a

[20:37] little bit more on those park assets that we have

[20:40] throughout the community. So I will be supporting the motion.

[20:43] Thank you. Thank you so much Councillor. Councillor Agtrapp. Uh,

[20:46] thank you. And I won't repeat what has already been

[20:49] said. I just had a question through the staff about

[20:52] the definition, um, between neighbourhood and community parks. I know

[20:55] we have one park named North Shore community park, but

[20:59] we seem to, I just wanted to get clarity on

[21:01] what we define as neighbourhood versus community. So we go

[21:05] to the manager of the community services. Okay. Yep. Go

[21:15] ahead. Aaron's there. Yep. So my good, okay. Thanks. Um,

[21:20] yeah, through the chair, we have updated the classification system

[21:24] as part of the Parkland strategy that came to Council

[21:26] last year. So we are now simplifying the terminology in

[21:31] terms of active Parkland and natural parkland. And part of

[21:36] the thinking behind that was we do have destination parks

[21:40] in the system, but they also serve as neighbourhood and

[21:43] community parks. It's all in relation to, um, the use

[21:47] and access and, you know, as mentioned, proximity. For those

[21:51] that are there, uh, in that community. And the amenities

[21:54] that are within those parks serve those purposes for those,

[21:57] um, populations. So we focused more on access in terms

[22:01] of how much, how far people had to walk to

[22:05] Access Parkland and looked at gaps and filling those needs

[22:09] based on space and amenities. With that lens as opposed

[22:13] to getting too focused on the categories, which wasn't, wasn't

[22:20] sort of serving us in trying to evaluate need and

[22:23] gaps. Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. So basically what I'm

[22:26] hearing the neighbourhood and community, there is no difference. It's

[22:29] just really, um, we're talking about whether it's active or

[22:32] natural and how it's managed. Um, what's the goal of

[22:35] ensuring that all the parks are with every household has,

[22:41] I think a 400 metre or five minute walk to

[22:42] a park. That's a, that's a focus. We again looked

[22:45] at the way people access Park. So again, understanding what

[22:49] it takes to walk, whether you're crossing major roads or

[22:52] overpasses or, you know, what is between you and that

[22:55] part. So that was the focus. And again, the amenities

[22:58] and the distribution. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Morrison.

[23:02] Thank you. And I appreciate my colleague discussion on this

[23:06] item. And I do appreciate the report that we received

[23:08] as far as, uh, really highlighting some of the things

[23:10] that have been done in regards to, um, outdoor spaces,

[23:14] whether it be basketball courts or the activation of the

[23:16] pop - up barks. Um, especially the Kyle Centre one,

[23:18] which has been very, very well received over the last

[23:20] few years that I've seen with the mini golf and

[23:24] all that happening there. So I do want to give

[23:26] credit for the activation of spaces that have been just

[23:29] grass, for example, and the ability to do more activities

[23:31] on there. But I also appreciate the fact that since

[23:34] it has been such a huge priority for us to

[23:36] find ways to activate and keep these spaces as really

[23:40] community gathering spaces within these neighbourhoods to help relieve pressure

[23:45] on some of those other parks and playgrounds specifically, um,

[23:49] like Rocky Point Park playground or West Hill Park playground.

[23:53] There's only a few playgrounds of that larger size nature

[23:57] in the community. I think that we do need to

[23:59] look at how and where and what plan timeline we're

[24:02] going to be doing certain upgrades and certain neighbourhoods prioritizing

[24:06] them, create a roadmap. And then also talk with the

[24:09] community about what play structures they want to see when

[24:13] we talk about playground specifically. Um, as opposed to just

[24:16] perhaps a consultants report on what it might be local

[24:19] neighbourhoods might and parents might have a big input on

[24:21] what they want to see. They'll know their kids and

[24:24] what they want to play with. And kids will know

[24:25] what they want to play with as well. And I

[24:27] think we can really dive in a little deeper on

[24:29] those particular things in those neighbourhood parks. So, um, I

[24:32] am supportive of this motion to get more information. And

[24:35] I look forward to the discussion whether it happens to

[24:37] be before this term is up or into the next

[24:39] term on prioritizing those neighbourhood parks to relieve pressure from

[24:42] the big ones as well as make it a little

[24:44] more enjoyable for people to stay close to home in

[24:47] their own neighbourhoods. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Councillor Lurbecki.

[24:51] Thank you. So, um, my understanding is Council already gay

[24:55] direction. We received a report back. And what I'm hearing

[24:57] at the table here is that the desire for additional

[25:00] information from what we received back. So, so now I'm

[25:03] looking at this motion and I'm trying to understand what

[25:06] we're going to get back. Um, and maybe this is

[25:10] a question through the staff. If this is clear enough,

[25:14] so I understand, you know, that focuses on neighbourhood and

[25:16] community parks with consideration of capacity use future needs proxy

[25:20] me to homes. And it goes on. But I think

[25:23] what's missing from this motion is like, what is the

[25:26] goal or the vision or the lens through which we

[25:29] are directing staffed undertake this work? I know we've our

[25:32] parkland strategy, but I'm just a bit worried that this

[25:35] is so broad. I'm not sure what we're going to

[25:37] get back and how we'll make sure that's meeting our

[25:40] needs as well. Again, if we want to layering community

[25:42] engagement on that, I thought could be the missing piece

[25:44] here in terms of understanding what those needs are at

[25:48] those community parks. I'm not so sure that this will

[25:52] necessarily give the information that council is seeking if that's

[25:57] what I'm hearing. So through the staff, could you comment

[26:00] on if this is clear, if additional direction around, um,

[26:05] undertaking engagement that the neighbourhood level around parks, do we

[26:08] already have a really good idea of all of these

[26:11] tiny little neighbourhood parks that we have and how we're

[26:13] going to activate them. We just haven't written it down

[26:15] yet. Just through to staff, I want to make sure

[26:17] that the directions crystal clear. So, you know, we're not

[26:20] kind of back here again. So the question is with

[26:24] this direction, do you have a clear idea of what

[26:28] the motion is asking for. I would say we could

[26:33] use a little, a little more clarity perhaps, but I

[26:36] think that we could, um, start the process with what

[26:39] we presented as part of the Parkland strategy, which sort

[26:42] of mapped out each neighbourhood and what those existing amenities

[26:46] are as a starting point, uh, collate that with, um,

[26:50] engagement that we've done connected to a number of different

[26:53] strategies, including recreation facilities work as well as, you know,

[26:57] trails and other things. And bring back a bit of

[27:00] a picture in terms of where we're seeing our gaps,

[27:03] um, and what we've heard back to date and maybe

[27:06] outline with. I think that's what the Councillors are. Future

[27:09] work should focus. So. I think what we'll get back

[27:14] here, I think this is going to be a multi

[27:16] - stage, multi - step conversation is what I think

[27:19] was missing from this motion is a descriptor such as

[27:23] to activate or to blank. Um, this is information we

[27:27] can get back, but it's really missing the direction of

[27:30] Council in terms of what is our goal. If our

[27:32] goal is to activate these spaces, is it to make

[27:35] them for, for children, for seniors, or are we still

[27:38] asking, I guess, to figure that out to begin with.

[27:40] I think this is multi - layered. So I just

[27:42] wanted to point that out that this is very broad.

[27:46] So that's what they're working. You're right. It is going

[27:49] to be multi - staged because once we get that

[27:51] information, then we'll have to give further direction. But I

[27:53] think the city manager, um, wants to add in. Yeah.

[27:58] Thank you. Provide a comment. Thank you Mayor. I was

[28:00] just going to note, um, as Ms. Embley said, I

[28:02] think this is clear direction for staff. I did want

[28:06] to flag that, um, the needs of seniors and demographic

[28:09] shifts of the residents living near neighbourhood sites. That could

[28:12] be quite a bit of analysis and data collection. So

[28:16] I think our next touch point would be, because this

[28:18] is new work. It would go on to the intake

[28:20] list. We would come back with a report that may

[28:23] be in September it might be after. And then we'd

[28:25] start mapping out the layers that you're speaking to. And

[28:28] then we can also get a touch point with Council

[28:30] if that's on the right track is that the desired

[28:33] outcome. Okay. Thank you for that. I just want to

[28:35] point out that, you know, I appreciate this report. And

[28:38] I think given the direction that's been given, it's meeting,

[28:41] you know, the initial level of needs. And then we're

[28:43] continuing on this conversation, recognising that I do think the

[28:46] ASCAR is very broad. So it's going to be narrowed

[28:48] in scope as it keeps coming back to council unless

[28:50] something that I'm comfortable with to get to the root

[28:54] of what we're trying to achieve. So thank you. Thank

[28:56] you. Yeah. I agree with that. Um, Councillor, Councillor Knowles,

[29:01] you've already spoken Councillor Agrac, have you spoken to this

[29:05] item? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Councillor Noels. Yeah. I just

[29:08] wanted to kind of respond to that because I mean,

[29:13] Councillor Libec is right. I think, um, from my perspective,

[29:17] and this is just a general direction to staff. You

[29:20] know, that 2022 report pointed out two underserved areas. And

[29:23] I think I've been wondering since that report, are those

[29:27] neighbourhoods actually underserved? So like an answer to those questions

[29:30] would be great. But the other, um, public engagement, I

[29:34] think it would be great for people in, if we

[29:36] could fold an opportunity for public engagement into, um, this

[29:41] neighbourhood work, because I would love to know which people

[29:43] feel like they don't have a neighbourhood park nearby. I

[29:46] think staff, when they come back with their, uh, project

[29:51] sort of proposal that will be, uh, that should be

[29:54] included in there. Those types of, um, opportunities. Thank you.

[29:59] Councillor Ag Toro. Thank you. I was just going to

[30:02] add that. I think this is, is kind of like

[30:04] a gap analysis taking the work that we've already done.

[30:08] And, you know, recognising that there has been significant work

[30:11] done on the parkland strategy. There's also, um, I think

[30:14] others mentioned some other reports that have been done. And

[30:16] it's really bringing that all together in one sort of,

[30:19] um, like merging that all and delivering it in an

[30:24] informational packet that is more, um, easily accessible. And so

[30:29] that we can really get down to, are there gap?

[30:32] Yeah. Yeah. Are there gaps existing and what, what decisions

[30:35] does Council need to make to fill those gaps? Yeah.

[30:37] Thank you. Thank you. City manager is going to wrap

[30:40] this one up. Thank you Mayor. I was just going

[30:42] to note it would help staff. And I think for

[30:44] clarity in the motion arising, if I'm able to suggest

[30:47] that just picking up on Councillor Lubick's comments and the

[30:50] Council Dialogue, if it actually also said and explore opportunities

[30:54] for neighbourhood engagement, okay. Yeah. Um, would that be okay

[30:58] if we add that in? I'll move that, um, amendment.

[31:03] I'll call the question on that all in favor. I'll

[31:06] just carry it. So we're incorporating that right into it

[31:07] so that that comes back with those opportunities. Yeah. Thank

[31:10] you again. I think that that's been made very clear

[31:14] tonight that Council really appreciated the work that was done

[31:17] to date on this. And we're, we're just wanting to

[31:20] further delve into that, uh, into those neighbourhood parks and

[31:25] figure out exactly where we need to make improvements and

[31:28] where the gaps are. So thank you. Um, I'll call

[31:30] the question on the amended motion all in favor. Opposed

[31:33] carried unanimously. Thank you so much, which brings us to

[31:36] item 7. 9, which is Councillor Lerbecky. Oh, I'm

[31:46] sorry. Go ahead. There we go. Um, so I pulled

[31:49] this pillar will not be supporting this. This is the

[31:51] development permit for BD development in Moody Centre, which is

[31:55] three towers up to 38 stories. Part of the 14

[31:58] tower plan framework call it what you will for the

[32:01] area. Um, reaching up to 40 stories. I am speaking

[32:05] to so many people in the community every single day

[32:08] and trying to find, um, majority support for the plan

[32:12] and moody centre is very, I'm not, I'm not finding

[32:15] it. So I can't be sporting this. I know that,

[32:18] you know, by the time we're getting to development permit,

[32:21] it seems like it's far down the road. I do

[32:23] have concern when we put something like this on consent,

[32:26] uh, this is still the largest tallest, most dense tower

[32:31] development in that area that we've seen. And it's on

[32:33] consent. I would have liked to actually seen it again

[32:36] and talked about it again. Um, I don't think that

[32:41] that's the right future for our city. And that's why

[32:44] I've pulled it. And I will not be supporting this

[32:47] tonight. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Dilworth. Do you

[32:51] know what I can see why some people might be

[32:52] confused about this being on the consent agenda, but I

[32:56] could through the staff get an explanation of exactly what

[32:59] this is because this is not final development permit. Go

[33:03] put shovels and ground at all. So if we can,

[33:06] I guess back through to Ms. Smith clarify exactly what

[33:09] this motion is. Oh, I see Mr. Wu coming up.

[33:12] Oh, okay. Go ahead, Mr. Wu. Yeah.

[33:22] Excuse me. Through the chair, this is a development permit

[33:24] for, um, B's development project in Moody Centre. And to

[33:29] answer the Councillor's question, it allows the developer to go

[33:34] forward with their project, uh, to the next stage, which

[33:37] would be to apply for a building permit and building

[33:40] permit for, um, foundation work and above groundworks. Great. Thank

[33:45] you. I was wondering people to know that this wasn't

[33:48] the final approval. Thank you. Councillor Lubick. Thank you so

[33:53] much. Uh, actually just had a couple of questions. So

[33:56] it was handy. Um, one of the questions that I

[33:59] had was, you know, I appreciated that the geotechnical report

[34:02] was very long and detailed. Um, and so I just

[34:06] wondered, um, you know, I know they're concerned sometimes around,

[34:10] um, you know, soil stability and things like that. So

[34:14] I was wondering if staff could just briefly touch on

[34:16] some of the, um, requirements for mitigation of that, um,

[34:21] also what our monitoring looks like during the construction process,

[34:24] whenever that happens. Through staff. Go ahead. Yeah. Through the

[34:30] chair, the development permit, we have, um, we have a

[34:32] development one is reform and character. So that allows, you

[34:35] know, development of the three buildings. And as the Councillor

[34:38] mentioned another development permit for hazardous land. So this is

[34:40] due to the potential of so liquefaction similar to much

[34:44] of the soils in Moody Centre, uh, it's not great.

[34:47] Um, but, you know, with through like mitigations, um, measures

[34:53] the land can be used safely and build safely on.

[34:57] In this case, the city is in receipt of a

[34:59] geotechnical report, which is also attached to the development permit.

[35:02] A number of recommendations were made by the geotechnical engineer

[35:05] on record regarding site preparation, groundwater cutoff, building foundation, slap

[35:10] on grade floors, site and foundation drainage systems and seismic

[35:13] design. So prior to construction, the engineer on record, um,

[35:21] the engineer would also be required to install the monitoring

[35:24] systems throughout the construction process. So, uh, in this case,

[35:28] it's the engineer on record that is doing the monitoring

[35:31] and not city staff in this case. But throughout the

[35:33] process, I believe city staff are notified on reports of

[35:37] the monitoring in place. That's great. Thank you so much.

[35:43] Um, I just have a few more questions. Uh, one

[35:45] is. You know, I know one of the concerns, this

[35:48] is not development related issue, but one of the concerns

[35:51] that I hear from folks is, you know, whether the

[35:55] number of jobs that this development would create. And I'm

[35:58] just wondering if staff can remind us how many jobs,

[36:01] um, this development would create versus what's going on. Three

[36:05] stuff. Yep. Through the chair, the commercial space plan for

[36:09] the project has a minimum of about 6, 300 square

[36:12] metres, which is about 68, 000 square feet, including retail

[36:16] office, um, a large child care facility. And so these

[36:19] uses altogether would add up to approximately 520 to 555

[36:23] jobs. Great. Thank you. And my last question is would

[36:28] you be able to just talk to, you know, this

[36:30] is the CD 94 space. So this is the towers.

[36:35] That's connected to the CB95, which is the supportive housing.

[36:40] And I know that's something that everyone cares very much

[36:42] about. I know there are many details. But, um, I'm

[36:45] just wondering if you could talk a little bit about

[36:47] how those two development permits work together at this stage.

[36:52] Yeah. So it's through the chair. It staffs understanding that

[36:54] the applicant is currently and actively finalising the broader funding

[36:59] framework with BC housing and its provincial partners. Um, and

[37:03] staff's conversations with the developer, it should be noted that

[37:05] there is still dedicated to providing this affordable housing facility

[37:09] in Port Moody and are working diligently to ensure that

[37:11] the project's long - term financial viability and the developers

[37:14] looking forward to continuing, um, the partnership with the city

[37:17] to navigate these next steps. Um, it is kind of

[37:20] challenging right now, but I will also note that as

[37:22] part of the development agreement that was registered on title

[37:25] as part of the rezoning application, um, the, uh, sorry,

[37:30] a housing agreement by law is required to come forward

[37:32] to Council and to be adopted prior to any superstructure

[37:37] building permit issuance. So prior to issuance before the towers

[37:42] are built, um, the city or the applicant or the

[37:46] developer in this case is required to have a housing

[37:48] agreement in place required to be approved by Council. Fantastic.

[37:52] So nothing about what we're passing tonight to make something

[37:54] changes to that. No. Thank you. I just thought it

[37:57] would be important for the public to hear. Yeah. Thank

[37:58] you so much. Um, I just want to clarify a

[38:01] couple of things. Like Council has given final approval to

[38:06] this application. This is the next step. Which is building,

[38:09] uh, sorry, which is development permit. And then the next

[38:11] step after that is the building permit. Um, so just

[38:14] to, just for clarity on that. But I, you know,

[38:17] there's, I appreciate Councillor Lubick bringing up the jobs that

[38:20] it's creating 555 jobs is not insignificant. And it is

[38:24] actually quite a significant increase to what exists there today.

[38:28] Um, and in addition, we've been hearing about, um, we've

[38:33] been hearing and getting, you know, sort of feedback about,

[38:38] about this application and about the fact that this isn't,

[38:41] uh, this is not providing enough, um, two or three

[38:44] bedroom homes. I want to just make it very clear

[38:49] on this development. Almost half of the units that are

[38:53] being proposed are two and three bedroom. And they are

[38:56] all above, um, they all exceed the required minimum FSR.

[39:02] So these are all good size units and a lot

[39:06] of them are designed for families and designed for people

[39:10] for multiple bedrooms. So that's important information. These are not,

[39:14] um, you know, these, these are not what is being

[39:17] characterized by some. And, you know, I think, I think

[39:21] it's important and it's also, um, a sign that the

[39:27] proponent that's bringing these forward is really, has really put

[39:30] a lot of thought into it. The other important aspect

[39:32] of this is, and I think we're sharing is the,

[39:35] uh, the way that these, um, that this development has

[39:38] been planned has been planned in a way that it

[39:41] can be flexible around market needs. So if there is

[39:46] a desire for more of one type of unit versus

[39:50] another, they have the ability to make those changes. So

[39:53] I think that that was one of the selling features

[39:55] for me at least. And in approving this application. All

[39:59] right. So it's been, has it been moved. Uh, no.

[40:02] Okay. Moved and seconded. I will call the question then

[40:06] all in favor. Opposed Councillor Labecky as opposed. Thank you.

[40:12] That brings us through the end of the consent agenda.

[40:16] Um, so we will now go to new business. So

[40:20] we have the first item, which is 205 Mount Royal,

[40:23] which is a development variance permit. There's a recommendation. Oh,

[40:28] and before we get to that, um, this is, we

[40:32] have an opportunity for public input on this specific item.

[40:37] And I will. And we also have a presentation. So

[40:41] we'll have the presentation first, Madam Clerk. And then we

[40:44] will, um, invite anyone in the public who has an

[40:47] interest in this specific application to come forward and provide

[40:50] comment if they wish. All right. Um, go ahead. Good

[40:57] evening. Um, I'll be presenting the development variance permit at

[41:02] 205 Mount Royal Drive. Yeah. Sorry.

[41:11] Just an issue here. With there we go. Um, so

[41:15] in July 2025, the applicant had applied for a minor

[41:20] DP air minor development permit for a four unit small

[41:23] scale. Multi - using housing development, a schmoo. Today we're

[41:28] asking for Council's consideration of development variants permit DVP0036 for

[41:36] two setbacks. Um, after Council consideration, the next steps for

[41:39] the applicant would include further refinement of the minor DP

[41:43] and eventually moving on to building permit. The subject property

[41:50] is located in the sea view neighbourhood. As you can

[41:54] see, it's boarded here by Mount Royal to the north.

[41:58] Gross Lane to the east and veterane to the south.

[42:03] The OCP designation is for low density residential and its

[42:07] zone semi detached residential RT. There is a class C

[42:15] water course or a ditch. Located adjacent to the property

[42:18] running parallel with the Eastern property line, long gross lane.

[42:23] The city zoning bylaw requires a five metre setback measured

[42:27] from top bank for all classy water courses. During the

[42:35] site planning for the four unit schmoo, the applicant felt

[42:38] that the required setbacks provided significant challenges for their site

[42:43] planning and what they were trying to achieve. In turn,

[42:46] the applicant is proposing a reduction to the riparian protection.

[42:51] And enhancement area. And the interior lot line setback. So

[42:55] as you see in the table, the RPEA requires five

[42:59] metres as per zoning bylaw. The applicant is proposing 2.

[43:02] 2 metres, which is a variance of 2. 8. Additionally,

[43:06] the interior side lot line requires a 1. 5 metre

[43:10] setback. The applicant is proposing 1. 2 metres with a

[43:14] variance of 0. 3 metres. The sight plan you see

[43:21] it in front of you illustrates the requested variances against

[43:24] the proposed schmoo sighting for two duplex buildings in a

[43:28] garage structure. The thick blue line at the bottom would

[43:33] be the ditch location. The thin blue line is the

[43:37] top of bank. The green dotted line would be the

[43:41] required setbacks. And the red dotted line is the proposed

[43:45] setback. It should be noted the applicant is respecting an

[43:50] additional 1. 2 metre buffer between the building and the

[43:54] proposed RPEA setback to allow for construction maintenance of the

[43:58] buildings and access without disrupting the RPEA. A restoration plan

[44:07] has been prepared by the applicant's QEP, which includes protection

[44:12] fencing and shrub planting. The restoration plan's been reviewed by

[44:17] staff and staff is satisfied with what's being provided. And

[44:22] that would conclude the presentation. Staff is satisfied with the

[44:26] respiration plan. They're satisfied with a variance. They think that

[44:29] that's an acceptable variance. Yes. Okay. Thank you very much.

[44:34] Councillor Knowles. Uh, I will move the recommendation. It's been

[44:39] moved. Oh, before we're just going to use this opportunity

[44:44] to ask any questions of staff. No. Okay. And public

[44:49] input of the Councillor Labecki. Did you have a question

[44:52] of staff? I did. Um, do we know the size

[44:55] of these units? Did you say. The final site design

[45:02] is still being refined through the minor DP process. But

[45:06] with the variants, uh, they could have, and the permitted

[45:12] FAR for the zone of 0. 8. They could have

[45:14] up to 6, 100 square feet across the four units.

[45:19] And without the variance, they would be allowed up to

[45:25] 4, 900 square feet across the four units. Another question

[45:29] through the staff. If we do not grant the variance,

[45:33] my understanding is that the lot in titlement exists. However,

[45:38] it has to fall within our regulations and requirements as

[45:42] a city. So if we were to not grant this

[45:44] variance, would the applicant then simply have to figure out

[45:48] how to bring something forward, whether that's three units, um,

[45:51] for example, that did follow our rules and requirements under

[45:55] the zoning. Is that correct? Through the chair, yes, that's

[45:58] correct. If the variance wasn't granted, um, the applicant would

[46:02] need to relook their site design as to how they

[46:06] want to propose their schmoo. Okay. Thank you. I'll leave

[46:08] it there and leave my comments till after Republican put.

[46:11] Okay. Thank you. Councillor Agtrap question for staff? Yes. Thank

[46:16] you. Can you repeat, um, what the size would be

[46:19] if they had, if variants weren't granted. Sure. Yes. Through

[46:23] the chair, um, this would be an approximate measure. So

[46:30] sorry, without the variance, it would be 4, 900 square

[46:34] feet across the four units. Okay. Thank you. And with

[46:38] it, it's 6, 000 hundred. Yeah. Thank you. Approximate. Okay.

[46:45] Uh, Councillor Morrison, question for staff? Yes, it is. Go

[46:49] ahead. Uh, besides the, uh, environmental setback variants that we're

[46:54] talking about right now, does it meet all other requirements

[46:56] of the schmu, um, setbacks from all the other lines,

[47:01] et cetera, and would comply in every other way. Do

[47:04] the chair. So this would be specific to the zoning

[47:08] bylaw. Any of the schmoo requirements would be for the

[47:11] review doing the minor DP process. So their occurring concurrently,

[47:17] but, uh, the minor DP would need to be for

[47:18] the refined once the applicant has for the direction regarding

[47:21] the setback variances. So the answer to that question is

[47:26] you're not sure. Well, sorry. The question is, are there

[47:31] any other variances or any other, um, is the, is

[47:35] the proposal asking to go outside of the scope of

[47:37] what we have as our schmug guidelines. Other than the

[47:41] variants. So the schmo get, no, just, pardon me, just

[47:49] the setbacks. Oh, I'll let Ms. Smith answer, perhaps maybe.

[47:53] Go ahead, Ms. Smith. Yes. Uh, thank you, three worship.

[47:56] Um, so in this case, it's been given a high

[47:58] level review. So in terms of set facts and so

[48:00] forth, all the big moves, uh, this has been identified,

[48:04] or these have been identified as the two variances that

[48:06] would be required. I think, um, what, uh, what the

[48:10] staff member is referring to is more, the, you know,

[48:12] building code review. There's more minor tweaks that may need

[48:14] to happen. But in terms of the big moves, the

[48:16] big pieces, this is what has been identified. I guess

[48:19] the question is, other than the variants, does this meet

[48:24] our schmo requirements. It within our own, within our own,

[48:29] um. Within our, within our own guidelines. Through the chair,

[48:35] my understanding is, yes, we would have done a complete

[48:37] zoning review. Okay. So it should be more only more

[48:39] minor building code type issues. Perfect. So in other words,

[48:42] without answering, yes category C water course. It would be

[48:46] in compliance with the schmo guidelines for a four units

[48:48] on this size of property. It's basically what I'm trying

[48:51] to get at. So, okay. Thank you very much. I

[48:53] appreciate that confirmation. Thank you. I don't see any other.

[49:00] You want to, you put your. Okay. I don't see

[49:03] any other hands up. So thank you very much for

[49:04] that. Um, at this point I'm going to open it

[49:08] up for public for any member of the public who

[49:10] feels that they want to weigh in or comment on

[49:13] this application. And if you're online, please use the raised

[49:18] hand function. I'll call a second time. Is there anybody

[49:22] who wishes to address counsel with regards to this. A

[49:27] third and final time. Seeing none, then we will close

[49:31] the public input and we will move to, uh, Council

[49:35] Comets. Councillor Knowles. I will remove the recommendation. Thank you.

[49:41] Thank you. Um, is there a seconder. Okay. Thank you.

[49:46] So, um, I just wanted to say that I appreciated

[49:48] the, um, the report from staff on this. I actually

[49:51] know this property quite well. I've driven through this neighbourhood

[49:55] trillion times over the years. Um, so I did a

[49:58] little site visit today of my own. And, um, and

[50:01] was, was quite satisfied that staff's recommendation makes sense to

[50:04] me. Yeah. The ditches, I mean, you wouldn't even know

[50:08] it was there. So, um, I think for the, for

[50:11] the benefits that are going to come to this development

[50:13] in terms of size for the four units, um, and

[50:17] the fact that, um, this neighbourhood, we're seeing more of

[50:21] these in this neighbourhood. And I don't think it's going

[50:23] to be out of place. Uh, I'm happy to support

[50:25] this one. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Lerbecki. Thank

[50:31] you. Actually, if it's okay. So I have one more

[50:33] question for staff. Um, if I answer how much yard

[50:37] space is there. If you have kids living in this

[50:40] unit, how big is the yard for them to play

[50:42] in. Through the chair, the final sight planning still needs

[50:48] to be, um, refined. But, uh, the schmo requirements require

[50:53] a minimum of 10 metres squared for all, uh, individual

[50:56] units. So they would still have to comply with our

[51:02] regulations around what the green space requirement was. Okay. Um,

[51:09] 10 metres squared. Interesting. So we hear a lot about

[51:15] the provincial legislation at this table. And this is an

[51:17] example where the decision sits with council. And my strong

[51:21] view is if we want to, um, given this legislation

[51:27] is overlaid now in our single family lots. If we

[51:30] view our entire city with this potential, that is where

[51:33] I get very uncomfortable with approving variances like this. Because

[51:39] I don't think that setting a very good precedent. I

[51:41] think if we, um, want to point fingers on legislation,

[51:44] we claim that we have all these issues with. Then

[51:46] when we do have control, we should take back control

[51:48] of what we do. And my strong view is if

[51:51] you're not following our variances, that you should build less

[51:54] units or come back with a plan that follows our

[51:57] rules. They're there for a reason. I don't think we

[52:00] can be granting variances across every schmu application that comes

[52:03] our way. Um, I feel very strongly about that. Just

[52:07] because something has a word duplex beside it or townhome.

[52:10] That's definitely the housing I want to see built. But

[52:12] I'm not going to raise my hand in approval for

[52:14] anything. And, and for me as a councillor, it's been

[52:19] pretty consistent. If my support is to be provided for

[52:23] development applications, if our rules and our expectations are fully

[52:27] followed, chances are you'll get my support. So I'm not

[52:30] going to be supporting this variance. I think that the

[52:33] SEPAC should be not halved. The side going down to,

[52:38] you know, variants of down to 1. 2. So I

[52:41] won't be supporting this. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor

[52:46] Agtarot. Thank you. Um, one more question for staff on

[52:50] final question. If there was no ditch with this project

[52:52] need variances. Through the chair, if there was no ditch,

[52:56] then, um, the applicant would have the full space to

[53:01] develop on. Okay. So I think that, thank you. I

[53:04] think, um, for me, because it's, it's a ditch. It

[53:07] doesn't have any aquatic life. It's, it's simply for stormwater

[53:10] conveyance. Um, to, um, require, um, full setbacks from this

[53:17] ditch. And by doing that, the units would be likely

[53:21] be 300 square feet smaller. Yep. Um, and we have

[53:25] said family friendly housing is a priority. And this is

[53:29] an example of roughly 1500 square feet of family friendly

[53:33] housing, um, and, and to make it smaller each unit

[53:37] smaller by 300 square feet for a ditch that doesn't

[53:41] convey water and does not hold any aquatic life. Um,

[53:45] seems like a reasonable trade off to me. So I'll

[53:47] be supporting. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I, I feel

[53:51] the same way Councillor Dilworth. Thank you. I'm going to

[53:55] speak in support of the application. I think one of

[53:59] the key points for me is the uniqueness of the

[54:01] property being enclosed by roadways on three sides, which ensures

[54:07] adequate and appropriate egraphs to the ingress egress to the

[54:11] property. Um, I also think it's very fitting in the

[54:14] neighbourhood. We've seen over the past couple of years we've

[54:17] seen property owners, uh, evolved, their single family property lots,

[54:23] um, either by subdividing, by doing, uh, small house subdivision.

[54:29] And I think looking at two duplexes is a right

[54:33] mix. And not just for, for families, you know, I

[54:36] think a number of people that live up in the

[54:38] sea view Glenair, even college park area are still older

[54:42] families and they are looking to downsize. They have children

[54:45] that are looking for access to homes. This could be

[54:48] generational property. This could be having elderly parents move in.

[54:53] I think it's exactly what Schmoo housing is meant to

[54:56] be. And I'm very supportive of it. What else have

[55:00] I got here? And the 10 by 10 green space

[55:02] for every unit, that's a lot of green space on

[55:05] that particular piece of property, I think. And I will

[55:08] just, I'm not going to repeat everything that Councillor Egg

[55:11] Trap said, but certainly one of the winning points for

[55:15] me was the severance does allow for larger units and

[55:19] more living space for whoever's going to live there. So

[55:22] I am going to support this application this evening. Thank

[55:25] you. Uh, Councillor Morrison, go ahead. Thank you. Um, I

[55:30] appreciated staff answers those questions and thank you Councillor Egg

[55:33] Trapp for bringing in clarifying a couple of those things

[55:36] for us about the, um, the water course, um, category

[55:40] C. Um, we have a goal as a council to

[55:46] try to work with people to provide housing solutions. Um,

[55:50] just, just because we're asking for a variance on this

[55:53] one thing, we need to look at each individual application

[55:56] regardless of what it is, whether it happens to be

[55:58] a townhouse development, um, a schmud designation development or a

[56:03] tower based on its individual merits and what is providing

[56:06] to the community in that moment. Um, I appreciate that

[56:09] the province did not do any consultation with the city

[56:11] before rolling these things in. And I've mentioned that many,

[56:15] many times before. But when, when, when we're not able

[56:19] to provide another family sized unit for somebody because of

[56:22] a ditch in the way that has no bearing environmentally

[56:26] on anything around it. And staff are comfortable with this

[56:29] report. And we're going to say, let's reduce the unit

[56:32] by one. It's providing all on site parking, one per

[56:37] unit. So we're not saying it's going to overflow into

[56:39] other units. Um, it's, it's a larger size, which is

[56:44] part of that missing middle that we're trying to provide.

[56:47] Um, that we hear from this Council table all the

[56:50] time about trying to provide more missing mental housing. And

[56:53] then we're going to say no because we're doing a

[56:55] variance. This is not a blanket statement we're going to

[56:58] create a precedent that every single, uh, Class C water

[57:01] course is going to be a variance. The fact that

[57:03] it has the back lane, the fact that it's on

[57:06] the end of a unit and has the side as

[57:08] well, um, and that this happens to be underneath the,

[57:11] uh, right on the edge of the property line. Let's

[57:14] try to work with people to find solutions instead of

[57:16] just putting up barriers. We need to stop finding solutions

[57:21] instead of excuses to provide family housing. And I'm hearing

[57:24] too much of that, um, whether it happens to be

[57:27] a tower site that has 45 percent of its unit,

[57:31] or it happens to be this, which is going to

[57:33] be all family units. Let's find ways to work with

[57:35] people to provide this. We're still in a housing crisis

[57:38] here. Right. And we still need to be providing this.

[57:41] And I think we need to look at the individual

[57:43] merits instead of trying to make blanket statements about not

[57:47] allowing something because it needs a variance and trying to

[57:49] push back as if that's the way to push back

[57:51] on the government's mandates. So, um, those are my thoughts.

[57:55] Sonic, I'm going to be supporting this application because I

[57:56] do believe in larger family size homes. And we don't

[57:59] get a ton of them. Um, brought in. If this

[58:02] was two lots and it had eight units on it

[58:03] as townhomes, we'd be very happy to have townhouses there.

[58:06] So the fact that this has four units on it,

[58:08] consider it like a very small townhouse complex in a

[58:10] way. Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Lubeck. Thank you so

[58:14] much. I'll be brief. Um, you know, I appreciate the

[58:17] conversation at the table, honestly. You know, I would have

[58:21] a lot more concerns if this was a development that

[58:24] covered the entire property that did not have permeable surfaces

[58:28] and play areas. And if the riparian area was anything

[58:32] other than class C. And so I really appreciate that

[58:35] staff have worked with the applicant to be able to,

[58:38] you know, make adjustments. Um, and I just wanted to

[58:41] say like, I think it's very important that we do

[58:45] look at things application by application. Um, just, was it

[58:52] last week, last week, I think we had an application

[58:54] where council was not satisfied with the setbacks and said

[58:59] so and pushed back. And we'll see what happens there.

[59:02] But technically that was allowed. Um, this, well, that was

[59:07] a love by provincial legislation on our legislation. But this

[59:11] meets the goals that we're trying to achieve. And, um,

[59:17] yeah, I just think it's important that we look at

[59:19] things on an individual basis and not necessarily. Not necessarily

[59:23] make blanket recommendations. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Yeah. I

[59:31] mean, I'm looking at all the notes that I took,

[59:33] um, when I was reviewing this report. And as I

[59:36] was listening to, um, to staff's answers and sort of

[59:40] my, my thoughts, I wrote, I feel that we need

[59:44] to look at each application as a unique opportunity to

[59:47] provide in fill housing. And we cannot, we have to

[59:52] approach this with the, with, with the notion that we

[59:58] sit at this table, as has been mentioned. And we

[1:00:00] talk about how important housing for families is. This is

[1:00:04] housing for families. And to simply say, no, because there's

[1:00:09] a variance. To me, just is really counterintuitive to what

[1:00:14] it is that we're trying to achieve here. I mean,

[1:00:16] I had somebody ask me the other day. What are

[1:00:19] you doing? What have you done for family housing? Well,

[1:00:22] these are the kinds of applications that we want to

[1:00:24] see. So we're looking at the difference between four, 1500

[1:00:28] square foot units versus four 1200 square units. Like why,

[1:00:34] like, if I had an opportunity to increase a housing

[1:00:38] for families by 300 square feet, that's significant for a

[1:00:42] family. And you would not want to, um, to, to

[1:00:47] minimize that. So of course, um, I'm going to support

[1:00:49] this. And again, we need to look at these applications

[1:00:52] as unique opportunities for housing and not try to blank

[1:00:55] it, put a blanket across all applications that come forward.

[1:00:59] This does not in any way negate the criticism that

[1:01:02] we had around the way that this, that this legislation

[1:01:05] came in. And the fact that there was no consultation.

[1:01:09] And the fact that we didn't plan for many of

[1:01:10] the areas in the city that are calling for this

[1:01:13] type of infill development to occur. However, this neighbourhood actually

[1:01:16] did, does contemplate that directly across the street. There's townhouse

[1:01:21] development and around the corner. So this is the ideal

[1:01:24] neighbourhood for this type of infill housing. This is a

[1:01:26] perfect lot. It has been mentioned. It has, uh, for

[1:01:29] the exposures on, on the side. And, you know, I

[1:01:32] just, I just think it would be like, what are

[1:01:35] we trying to prove if we say no? Because the

[1:01:37] variance. When this is exactly the kind of housing that

[1:01:40] we're asking for is it makes no sense to me.

[1:01:44] Um, so yes, of course, I will be supporting this.

[1:01:48] So we'll call the question that for the record, I

[1:01:53] just want to note that the statutory notification requirements have

[1:01:55] been met and there were no written submissions received in

[1:01:58] response to that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh,

[1:02:00] so I'll call the question then all in favor. Opposed

[1:02:04] Councillor Larbecki as opposed. All right. Great. We'll move on

[1:02:09] to the next item. Which is Heritage Alteration Permit 101

[1:02:17] First Avenue. And this is for school district 43. Welcome.

[1:02:22] Thank you.

[1:02:55] Good evening Mayor and Council. My name is Terrence Chang

[1:02:58] and I'm the development planner responsible for this project on

[1:03:01] one - on - one First Avenue. Tonight, Council will

[1:03:06] be considering the heritage alteration permit and development permit application

[1:03:09] for this project. At the applications are approved by Council,

[1:03:13] the project will be able to move, sorry. Will be

[1:03:17] able to move forward to the building permit stage. Following

[1:03:21] the issuance of the heritage alteration permit and the development

[1:03:24] permit. Subject site is a corner lot located at the

[1:03:29] intersection of IOCA Road and First Avenue. The proposed site

[1:03:33] consists of one legal parcel that is a heritage protected

[1:03:36] site. The city and the school district currently has a

[1:03:39] joint use agreement to utilise the site. The site is

[1:03:45] zone P1, which accommodates public service uses on public land,

[1:03:49] including cultural recreational and administrative uses. Surrounding uses include commercial,

[1:03:55] residential, and recreational spaces. The site requires an environmental development

[1:04:00] permit as a portion of the site to the east

[1:04:03] is classified as a high environmentally sensitive area. The site

[1:04:08] is also within Dioko Townsite Heritage Conservation Area, which envisions

[1:04:12] an opportunity to act as a generator of new development

[1:04:15] with opportunities for adaptive reuse sensitive infill and revitalization. Imperial

[1:04:25] oil established the planned iocal town site in the early

[1:04:27] 1920s. As a refinery, uh, was located in an isolated

[1:04:32] area, the lacked road access until 1925. The town was

[1:04:36] officially opened on October 1st, 1921 and contained two churches,

[1:04:41] a community hall, a post office, a Bowling Green and

[1:04:44] Clubhouse, tennis courts, and a sports field. The town's opening

[1:04:49] also included a school, which was located at the entry

[1:04:52] of the town. And across from the Ayoko Church, the

[1:04:55] Bowling Green and the CPR Railway track. The school was

[1:04:59] a wood frame construction with wooden lap siding at the

[1:05:02] Foundation Level and Cedar's shingles above. All the children and

[1:05:06] the town site attended the school, providing education ranging from

[1:05:09] the first grade to university entry classes. The semi -

[1:05:13] detached gymnasium was constructed in the late 1950s. Historical records

[1:05:18] indicate that the school transitioned to an elementary school sometime

[1:05:21] in the mid - 20th century and was converted to

[1:05:24] an alternate school in the mid - 1990s. The school

[1:05:28] officially closed in 2005 and school district 43 has continually

[1:05:32] maintained the school following its closure. The application being considered

[1:05:39] tonight proposes interior and exterior renovation to the IOCA school

[1:05:43] site to accommodate 150 space licensed childcare facility. The proposal

[1:05:49] seeks to preserve the wood frame structure and character -

[1:05:52] defining elements of the school. Rehabilitate the interior to approve

[1:05:56] functionality of the space and provide upgrades to mechanical and

[1:06:00] electrical systems, seismic integrity, and accessibility. A heritage consultant has

[1:06:06] been retained by the applicant and has worked collaboratively with

[1:06:10] staff to ensure minimal impact on the heritage value of

[1:06:13] the building. The heritage consultant will remain oversight of the

[1:06:18] building during construction. Oh, sorry. Outdoor play and covered areas

[1:06:24] are also proposed with an accessibility ramp located to the

[1:06:28] east of the site to provide access to the upper

[1:06:30] floor of the school from the outside. Once constructed, the

[1:06:34] project will include 36 spaces for infant and toddlers, 66

[1:06:38] bases for children's ages three to five and 48 spaces

[1:06:42] for school - age children for before and after school

[1:06:44] care. The facility will be run by a non -

[1:06:48] profit childcare operator and will deliver affordable childcare fees to

[1:06:52] the province's fee reduction program. 20 vehicle parking spaces are

[1:06:56] being proposed along with outdoor bicycle and indoor bicycle parking

[1:07:00] spaces. Following the results of the traffic impact assessment, the

[1:07:05] application, the applicant will explore circulation constraints with staff resulting

[1:07:10] from pickup and drop - off. Options to alleviate parking

[1:07:15] concerns may include dedicating parking spaces for pickup and drop

[1:07:19] - off, an additional bicycle parking spaces. In conclusion, in

[1:07:25] the words of the applicant, since its closure in 2005,

[1:07:29] the 1921 Iocal Schoolhouse, a designated heritage landmark and Port

[1:07:34] Moody has long - awaited a second act. Staff are

[1:07:38] supportive this proposal as the adaptive reuse of the school

[1:07:42] site represents a balanced approach to heritage preservation while providing

[1:07:46] 150 new childcare spaces to the community. Thank you very

[1:07:51] much. I would also like to note that there was

[1:07:54] a minor clerical error in the report and that the

[1:07:56] correct report has been provided as an on - table

[1:07:58] attachment. Staff and the applicant team are available to answer

[1:08:02] any questions. Thank you. Right. I'll go to Council.

[1:08:11] Nobody. Oh, Councillor Act Raph. I like to move the

[1:08:16] recommendation. Okay, it's been moved and seconded. And I just

[1:08:18] like to thank the applicant, which is the school board,

[1:08:21] I think, for imagining, reimagining this space as, um, a

[1:08:27] community benefit that school has been empty for a while.

[1:08:31] And I really appreciate the efforts in going through the

[1:08:34] efforts of preserving the heritage while creating much - needed

[1:08:39] childcare spaces in our community. So I fully support this.

[1:08:42] Thank you, Councillor Councillor Dilworth. I will second second this

[1:08:46] report. And I want to say that was a great

[1:08:49] representation that you made. I really appreciated the sort of

[1:08:53] historic angle and storytelling around the application. So I really

[1:08:56] appreciated that. Um, first of all, I want to give

[1:09:01] extreme gratification to the school district who have literally spent

[1:09:06] decades committing to maintaining the integrity. And all the appropriate

[1:09:13] care to keep this, uh, building in a space where

[1:09:18] it can be reused. Far too many times at this

[1:09:21] table, we see many of our older and historic buildings

[1:09:25] being denigrated due to lack of maintenance. So, um, big

[1:09:29] thank you to the school district for that. Uh, absolutely

[1:09:33] going to support this. I am excited to see a

[1:09:35] new gathering space in that part of our city. It's

[1:09:38] not just going to be a child care centre with

[1:09:41] the field renovated with the space there. I think it's

[1:09:44] going to be very welcome at that end of the

[1:09:47] city. So I do support this. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor

[1:09:51] Councillor Knowles. Uh, yeah, I won't be labour much of

[1:09:54] what my colleagues have said. I am two main things.

[1:09:57] I'm also excited to see this area come back to

[1:09:59] life literally. It's quite dead and dusty and brown in

[1:10:03] that area right now. And I think having a bunch

[1:10:05] of, um, happily playing children will be lovely. Um, I

[1:10:09] also wanted to send, um, sincere thanks to the school

[1:10:12] board, we've had some really productive and just overly generous

[1:10:18] meetings, I feel with the school board lately. And it

[1:10:21] has been really nice to, um, for this council, I

[1:10:24] feel like to, to rebuild those relationships and to get

[1:10:27] back on track. And I'm really looking forward to working

[1:10:30] together with them on future projects. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor

[1:10:34] Lerbecki. Thank you. Just wanted to say how excited I

[1:10:38] am for this project. Uh, when you think of a

[1:10:41] place that, again, we're speaking of space for children, 10

[1:10:44] square metres is not very big. And when you're thinking

[1:10:46] of, I think that's 107 square feet of Google is

[1:10:50] correct. So when I think of a place where children

[1:10:53] should be playing, this is exactly the type of location

[1:10:55] that I think is ideal in terms of, um, the,

[1:10:59] not only the exciting building renovation that will be undertaken.

[1:11:03] And the historic, uh, nature of this spot that can

[1:11:06] be learning opportunity for families and children attending there. But

[1:11:10] the setting that it's in as well. So it's very,

[1:11:12] very exciting. It's going to deliver much needed childcare. And

[1:11:17] I just can't wait for it to be finished. I

[1:11:18] know I've heard that from many people in the community.

[1:11:20] So thank you so much. Thank you. Uh, Councillor Lubick.

[1:11:25] Thank you so much. Yeah. I'll be brief. Just very

[1:11:28] much appreciate all the work that's been done. And 150

[1:11:33] new child care spaces is really impressive. And well being

[1:11:38] able and for a variety of ages. I'm really excited

[1:11:42] to see this. I also, as you were speaking was

[1:11:46] kind of reflecting on just the history again of the,

[1:11:49] of the site. And, you know, that's the importance of,

[1:11:53] the importance in preserving those buildings because it captures the

[1:11:56] stories of, you know, how we got, where we are.

[1:12:01] And this is a new chapter in that story. Um,

[1:12:04] and so I think it's, I think it's a very

[1:12:06] special project. So thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah.

[1:12:10] I would only add that. I hope that we'll have

[1:12:12] an opportunity to sort of integrate some of that history

[1:12:15] into the building in terms of perhaps maybe a plaque

[1:12:19] acknowledging the origins of the building along those lines, something

[1:12:23] like that. But, um, yeah, I'm, I'm also very supportive

[1:12:25] of this. I will call the question all in favor.

[1:12:29] Opposed carry unanimously. Thank you very much, Mr. Chang. Thank

[1:12:33] you. Thank you. Next item is 11. 3, which is

[1:12:37] Kyle Centre redevelopment project update and request for additional capital.

[1:12:42] We have a, yeah, we have a presentation. Great. Thank

[1:12:45] you.

[1:13:11] Go ahead. Good evening Mayor Council. Thank you for the

[1:13:15] opportunity tonight to bring you an update on the Calo

[1:13:18] Centaury Development project. I'm going to start, uh, start with,

[1:13:24] uh, sharing the proposed conceptual design that was shared recently

[1:13:30] during the second round public engagement, uh, before I go

[1:13:33] into some more details on the next step for the

[1:13:37] project. Just a recap that the project is proposed to

[1:13:43] take place over four phases. We're currently in the first

[1:13:47] phase or the conceptual design phase, uh, we've done a

[1:13:50] couple rounds of public engagement and the main deliverables for

[1:13:56] this current phase, uh, would include a final concept design

[1:14:02] along with class D cost estimates and funding strategies. And

[1:14:07] if Council approves, uh, then we'll go forward to the

[1:14:10] next phase, which would be detailed design to be followed

[1:14:13] by phase three construction of the community centre in plaza.

[1:14:17] And then followed by phase four construction of Kyle Park.

[1:14:24] Um, so, uh, on the screen there, there's a number

[1:14:28] of key themes that came out of round one engagement.

[1:14:32] I'm not going to go into details here, but I

[1:14:34] would just name a couple such as connecting indoor and

[1:14:37] outdoor spaces and finding a balance between flexible and specific

[1:14:40] users for this basis. Um, I just want to note

[1:14:43] that these, uh, he, themes were all considered, uh, in

[1:14:47] during the development of the conceptual design. So this is

[1:14:54] a concept plan overview. You can see that, uh, the

[1:15:00] community centre is proposed to be situated right across from

[1:15:04] the pomo arts building. The commute centre is setting it

[1:15:10] at about 39, 000 square feet, which is more than

[1:15:14] two and a half times of the existing cow centre,

[1:15:16] which is at 11, 000 square feet. Um, so in

[1:15:20] front of the commute centre, there's the plaza area. And

[1:15:24] then down south, you see the existing cow park. There's

[1:15:28] plans to do some renewals and updates to this existing

[1:15:33] portion of Cal Park. And then to the north, uh,

[1:15:37] here's the expanded portion of Kyle Park. And in this

[1:15:40] concept design, the Kyle Street is proposed to be closed

[1:15:44] between St. Andrews and St. George, uh, to provide better

[1:15:48] connection between the plaza and the park space. We're also

[1:15:52] looking at potentially closing portion of St George, as noted

[1:15:56] here in the blue box. And there's nothing happening in

[1:16:00] the Westernmost portion of the project site, but we have

[1:16:06] research sufficient area for potential future low cost housing of

[1:16:11] Council So Directs in the future. So this is a

[1:16:16] 3D illustration of the proposed concept plan. Again, you can

[1:16:20] see the community centre right here, the plaza right here.

[1:16:26] The renewed cow part to the south as well as

[1:16:29] the expanded chiropart to the north. And then also the,

[1:16:32] um, closed section of Cow Street through support connection between

[1:16:37] the outdoor spaces. Um, the community centre sits on one

[1:16:42] and a half levels of underground parkade. And you can

[1:16:45] see the parquet ramp right here with entrance from St.

[1:16:49] Andrew Street. The proposed community centre has two floors. Uh,

[1:16:58] this is the ground floor plan. The main entrance is

[1:17:02] right here, uh, from Kyle Street. As you go in

[1:17:07] on your left would be the reception area, uh, as

[1:17:11] well as the weight room. And on your right would

[1:17:13] be a lounge area for people to socialize and chat.

[1:17:17] And then further, would be the youth senior space games

[1:17:21] room. And a fitness multipurpose space. Here's washrooms and showers.

[1:17:29] And then down here is the gym, which is big

[1:17:31] enough to fit, um, four pickleball courts. Moving on to

[1:17:36] the second floor, um, we have the arts multipoppers space,

[1:17:41] uh, which is strategically placed there to look across over

[1:17:45] to the pomo arts building. We have a meeting room

[1:17:50] in the middle here. And then, uh, unallocated programmable space

[1:17:54] to the left. And then down south, um, we have

[1:17:58] an event multipurpose space. There is also a prep kitchen

[1:18:03] that's attached to the events multipurpose space to support warming

[1:18:09] up of any catered food. It's not a commercial great

[1:18:12] kitchen. So we do not intend that to be producing

[1:18:16] food or major cooking in that area. So this is

[1:18:24] an East elevation view of the building. Um, so you're

[1:18:28] looking basically standing on Cal Street looking west towards the

[1:18:32] building. You can see the plaza area, um, we do

[1:18:36] intend to, um, program it throughout the year to make

[1:18:39] it a very vibrant space. In the image here, you

[1:18:42] can see a little, um, uh, concert happening at the

[1:18:46] corner, um, further to the, to the north. You see

[1:18:51] a little area here. This is a handy dart pickup

[1:18:55] drop off area, uh, which would provide a short distance

[1:19:00] to the main entrance, which is right here. Uh, I

[1:19:04] do want to note that there is a little slide

[1:19:06] here for children to go down from the, um, uh,

[1:19:11] from up here to the plaza as the caregivers or

[1:19:14] parents go down the stairs themselves. Um, so again, this

[1:19:19] is the main entrance. And then to the right is

[1:19:22] the lounge as well as the youth and senior space.

[1:19:25] I mentioned earlier to the left is the, uh, staff

[1:19:28] of reception area, uh, and then the weight room, uh,

[1:19:32] to the left here. There is an accessible washroom here

[1:19:37] that's intended for park or plaza users. So they could

[1:19:40] access from the outside and without, um, going through the

[1:19:43] building. And then upstairs, you can see the, uh, arts

[1:19:47] multipurpose space on the right and the event multipurpose space

[1:19:52] on the left. So I'm going to take you through

[1:19:58] a few renderings of the building of the interior of

[1:20:02] the building. Um, so the left image here basically are

[1:20:06] you standing at the entrance. You can see that there

[1:20:09] is a long corridor that runs through the length of

[1:20:13] the building that all the spaces open into. Um, so

[1:20:17] you can see the seating area of the lounge on

[1:20:21] the right. On the left is the, um, reception area.

[1:20:25] There's also a couple elevators that would take you up

[1:20:27] to, um, the upper floor or down to the parquet.

[1:20:33] The image on the, I'm sorry. Um, the image on

[1:20:36] the right is just a different rendering showing further down

[1:20:41] the corridor as you walk towards the west. You have

[1:20:45] the, uh, fitness multipurpose space to the right and the

[1:20:48] gym to the left. So this rendering, um, shows a

[1:20:55] better inside of the gynacium. You can see also that

[1:20:59] there's glazing along the walls here upper floor as well

[1:21:03] as lower for people to look into the gym for

[1:21:08] parents to look into their gym. If they're dropping off

[1:21:10] their children for different activities or lessons here. The image

[1:21:18] on the right is again, a look through the corridor,

[1:21:23] but you're standing on the west side of the building

[1:21:26] and looking back at towards the entrance. Just want to

[1:21:30] note that there are, um, a lot of opportunities on

[1:21:32] the wall spaces for different art display. Uh, so moving

[1:21:39] on up to the second floor, again, we're looking towards

[1:21:45] the entrance. We have the Arts multipurpose space on the

[1:21:48] left. And then, um, the events multipurpose space on the

[1:21:52] right. There's quite generous space for people to gather or

[1:21:59] to wait before an event happens. Which could be a

[1:22:02] wedding or a conference, et cetera. Uh, the image on

[1:22:06] the right shows the interior space of the arts multipurpose

[1:22:10] space. You can see that there is a lot of

[1:22:11] glazing, um, included, um, to provide as much natural light

[1:22:16] as possible for any artist that who might be working

[1:22:19] in that space. So this renderer here, um, shows

[1:22:29] a quick look, our overview of the outdoor spaces, um,

[1:22:33] we have the expanded Kyle Park right in front in

[1:22:39] the forefront. The closed section of Kyle Street and then

[1:22:43] the plaza in front of the, um, centre. And then

[1:22:47] the, um, the renewed cow park to the south. So

[1:22:50] you can see that there is a lot of different

[1:22:52] types of equipment and play features that are shown in

[1:22:55] the playground here, um, but these are really, um, just

[1:23:00] placeholders. We do intend that to have different structures and,

[1:23:04] uh, features to provide a wide range of play values

[1:23:08] for children of different ages. Um, I do want to

[1:23:12] note that there is an accessible path that goes around

[1:23:15] the core portion of the playground here. And that accessible

[1:23:18] path also connects to the closed section of Kyle Street

[1:23:24] and the Plaza in front of the committee centre. The

[1:23:32] image on the left shows the stepped terrorists that are

[1:23:35] sitting on top of the closed section of Cow Street.

[1:23:40] We have included terraces here just to work those in

[1:23:45] into the existing topography of the site because the great

[1:23:49] drop is actually quite, quite huge. There's a lot of

[1:23:55] movable furniture and elements here that could be changed out

[1:24:00] over the year to support different programs in the space.

[1:24:04] You can see that we have included a lot of

[1:24:05] planting areas as well as trees to provide a microclimate

[1:24:10] as well as shades, especially in the summer. Uh, the

[1:24:13] image on the right shows the renewal Kyle Park. There

[1:24:16] are two levels of terraces with the upper level showing

[1:24:21] a basketball half court. Inten it for older youth and

[1:24:26] teenagers. And the lower terrorist featuring a whole bunch of

[1:24:30] different fitness and parkour type equipment as well as seating

[1:24:36] areas intended for adults. Um, so in terms of next

[1:24:43] steps, we are looking to implement a couple additional scopes

[1:24:51] imminently. The first one being a traffic and access review

[1:24:55] of potential closure or modifications to St. George Street. So

[1:25:00] this would include consideration of existing residential and emergency access

[1:25:04] with steep rates to the west, as well as alternate

[1:25:09] trafficcoming provisions because the existing directional, um, diverter that's at

[1:25:15] the corner of Kyle Street and St. George Street would

[1:25:18] need to be removed. Uh, we also want to get

[1:25:20] feedback from a JSON residential properties. Um, I just want

[1:25:24] to note that this is an additional scope because we

[1:25:26] didn't plan on closing St George. But we did hear

[1:25:31] safety concerns, which came up quite high through the public

[1:25:35] engagement. And so we want to address that. And we

[1:25:40] also think that if what we do close as St.

[1:25:43] George that would promote connection between the north and south

[1:25:47] portions of Kyle Street of Kyle Park, sorry. And the

[1:25:53] other additional scope is archaeological impact assessment and field work.

[1:25:57] Um, so this we were originally planning to do this

[1:26:01] work, um, in the next phase, just based on the

[1:26:04] anticipated timing of the permit approval, um, but we have

[1:26:08] received notice that the permit likely going to come in

[1:26:13] in the next month or so. So we like to

[1:26:15] start this work as soon as possible. So we could,

[1:26:18] uh, get more information and de - risk the projects.

[1:26:22] And in our engagements with First Nations, they have all

[1:26:25] noted that, uh, archaeological assessment is a priority for them.

[1:26:30] So in order to cover these additional scopes, we are

[1:26:32] seeking 148, 000 dollars to be allocated from the community,

[1:26:39] amenity contribution reserved, uh, to support this work. And moving

[1:26:44] forward, we want to confirm the geotechnical and archaeological requirements.

[1:26:49] We are committed to continued dialogue with interest holders, uh,

[1:26:53] we do plan on a public engagement to get more

[1:26:58] feedback into the chiropract detail design. Of course, this is

[1:27:04] in the second phase or in the detailed design phase,

[1:27:07] um, we want to make sure that we, um, share

[1:27:12] any information in a timely manner as the project progresses.

[1:27:17] And staff have started looking at potential relocation options of

[1:27:22] existing co - centre programming. And we'll continue to, uh,

[1:27:25] to move in that direction. And lastly, we will want

[1:27:29] to consider and start planning to minimize any construction impacts

[1:27:34] for the pomoarts building as well as neoby businesses and

[1:27:37] residential properties. Um, so in terms of next steps, we

[1:27:44] intend to bring back a brink to council, full sum

[1:27:49] conceptual design report along with class D cattle cost estimates

[1:27:55] and potential funding strategies. And we also be seeking council

[1:27:58] approval to proceed to the next phase, uh, which is

[1:28:01] detailed design. And if Council approves, uh, then in 2027,

[1:28:06] we would be starting on value engineering and detailed design.

[1:28:11] Uh, so this takes me to the, uh, to the

[1:28:13] end of the presentation. I'd like to use the opportunity

[1:28:17] to, um, to get any feedback that cancel to provide.

[1:28:22] Okay. Thank you very much. I see Councillor Knowles has

[1:28:27] did. Uh, thank you. I will begin by removing the

[1:28:30] recommendation. That's if I may. Okay. Thank you. Um, thank

[1:28:36] you so much for this report to all of the

[1:28:39] staff from Chico Eu Ding. A lot of work in

[1:28:43] planning has gotten us to this point tonight. My goodness,

[1:28:48] I recall, and I'm not the only one. What I

[1:28:49] ran for election for the first time in 2022. This

[1:28:52] was on my list of things to do. So I

[1:28:54] am very excited to be here tonight. Um, you know,

[1:28:58] this was, this went to all the committees. This went

[1:29:00] to so many user groups in the city, um, public

[1:29:04] engagement, um, has been wide and deep. And I really

[1:29:09] appreciate all the work that went into it. These are

[1:29:11] not small, small things that are done. I mean, the

[1:29:14] engagement that stuff does is hours and hours hundreds of

[1:29:18] hours, um, throughout the city. And I just want to

[1:29:21] acknowledge you for doing that. And you've managed to encapsulate

[1:29:24] it all in multiple reports to us. What we're seeing

[1:29:26] here tonight is isn't, you know, just one report. This

[1:29:29] is one of several that we've seen, um, over many,

[1:29:32] many, many months. So thank you for that. I think,

[1:29:37] um, I'll make a few comments here. I'm going to

[1:29:40] leave the pickleball court comment for my colleagues. I know

[1:29:42] he's going to want to comment on that. Um, I'm

[1:29:45] really excited about a lot of things here. The parking

[1:29:47] improvement for that area, the outdoor washroom that is going

[1:29:50] to be accessible without having to go inside the building.

[1:29:53] Amazing. The planning for shade. This is going to add

[1:29:57] so much for, I mean, not just pomoarts, but our

[1:30:00] seniors, our youth. I really want to see a community

[1:30:02] garden here. I was so glad to see that included

[1:30:04] in the latest iteration. Thank you for that. Um, and

[1:30:09] I want to recognise that, you know, the reason why

[1:30:12] we're seeing a different, um, iteration here tonight of 39,

[1:30:16] 000 square feet versus 30 is because of all the

[1:30:19] engagement that's taken place, this is, this is a design

[1:30:22] that has evolved over time. And this is why you've

[1:30:24] come back to us tonight and said, we need additional

[1:30:26] funds because now we're looking at a 39, 000 square

[1:30:29] foot, um, for changes. We need a traffic study. The

[1:30:34] public engagement that you mentioned tonight has specifically brought up

[1:30:36] issues that hadn't been thought of before, which is the

[1:30:39] point of public input. It's literally a beautiful thing that

[1:30:42] has happened here. Um, we're going to be, this, this

[1:30:46] community centre is going to be meeting the needs not

[1:30:48] just now, but in the future. Um, so yeah, I'm

[1:30:52] obviously very excited. I do want to acknowledge that there

[1:30:55] have been some, um, uh, criticisms from members of the

[1:30:59] public who don't want us to build this and or

[1:31:01] want us to save it until the next council or

[1:31:05] want us to just patch the roof instead. And to

[1:31:08] that I say this has come so far in such

[1:31:13] a long period of time. And I'm really happy with

[1:31:16] the work that's been done so far. And I think

[1:31:18] we should proceed. And I'm happy to proceed. I have,

[1:31:20] I have great trust in staff. The one thing I

[1:31:23] will say from my own perspective and having spent a

[1:31:26] lot of time at the new moody elementary is what

[1:31:29] will be important here going forward is, um, managing the

[1:31:33] budget and sticking to it. Um, I was really, really

[1:31:36] impressed with the work done at Moody Elementary. They had

[1:31:39] a budget. They stuck to it. It was delivered on

[1:31:42] time. And, um, on budget. And so it can be

[1:31:46] done. So once I realised we're only at a class

[1:31:49] D estimates at this at this time, but, um, I

[1:31:52] really will be looking for that for Council to be

[1:31:57] really, really tough on the budget when the time comes.

[1:31:59] But overall this looks wonderful. I'm very excited. I believe

[1:32:03] my colleague is going to, um, make a motion arising

[1:32:06] or perhaps amend the emotion, um, with regards to, um,

[1:32:10] an idea regarding Pomar arts. And I look forward to

[1:32:13] that. Um, but just overall, thank you so much. This

[1:32:15] is very exciting. Thank you, Councillor. We will go to

[1:32:19] Councillor Delworth. Thank you. First of all, I want to

[1:32:22] say I love the building. The use of windows and

[1:32:25] woods just absolutely, um, transforms that space. I'm really excited

[1:32:31] about the, uh, both the internal and the external programming

[1:32:35] space that's available. And I can remember the very first

[1:32:39] strategic planning session that this Council had. And we talked

[1:32:42] about things that we wanted to see done in our

[1:32:46] term. And the revitalization of Kyle Centre was top of

[1:32:51] the list of many other items. But it was up

[1:32:55] there. It was, it was certainly up there. And I

[1:32:57] want to say what we're doing here is we're taking

[1:33:01] a 47 year old building. And transforming a building into

[1:33:06] what we can see now is a very unique Kyle

[1:33:10] district with significant new park space with significant new opportunities.

[1:33:15] And I think that is just a part of the

[1:33:18] evolution of that side of the city. And certainly in

[1:33:21] moody centre, giving the residents of Moody Centre a really,

[1:33:25] really, um, expansive gathering space. I'm very happy. And, you

[1:33:34] know, reading through all the engagement summaries, I'm seeing the

[1:33:37] lot of other, uh, people in this community that are

[1:33:39] quite excited about this. Um, I do note that there

[1:33:43] will be another consultation with the community. I have two

[1:33:47] questions, if I may. The first question is, can through

[1:33:53] to staff, can you please remind me if this building

[1:33:55] is going to be constructed to any of the environmental

[1:33:59] standards, whether it's a lead standard, whether it's the Rick

[1:34:03] Hanson accessibility standard, programs, are we actually building this to

[1:34:10] any of those standards, whether we're applying for the designation

[1:34:14] or not, because I know we can build it to

[1:34:16] the standards without actually applying for the designation. Can you

[1:34:20] remind me where we're at? Yes, through the chair, we're

[1:34:23] targeting lead gold standard in terms of sustainability. And Rick

[1:34:28] Hanson Gold in terms of accessibility and inclusion. We must

[1:34:33] be coming pretty much up there as a, as a

[1:34:36] leader in terms of, uh, the level of sustainability mitigation

[1:34:42] that we've done on, on a number of our recent

[1:34:45] buildings. My last question is really nice pictures. And I

[1:34:49] think we've had this discussion before. Very nice pictures of

[1:34:52] the external spaces. And we know trees will grow. But

[1:34:57] in terms of, uh, mitigating any heat dome effect with

[1:35:00] that much open space there. I know we've talked about

[1:35:03] potentially using different shade canopies to be implemented as well.

[1:35:08] Can you speak further on that? So we have started

[1:35:12] considerations of those things. But, uh, as we move to

[1:35:17] design forward, there will be further considerations in terms of

[1:35:19] additional tree locations to provide natural canopy. And in the

[1:35:24] outdoor spaces, um, we will continue to look at potentially

[1:35:30] something similar in the plaza area. Great. I guess my,

[1:35:34] my last comment is I cannot wait to, uh, have

[1:35:38] the community at the ribbon cutting of this event. And

[1:35:42] with the knowledge that this building is going to supersede

[1:35:47] 47 years and our residents will be using it for

[1:35:50] at least 50 years into the future. And I think

[1:35:53] what we're, what we're proposing here is exactly what that

[1:35:56] community has asked for. And, uh, what we're providing. Thank

[1:36:00] you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Lubeck. Thank you so much.

[1:36:07] Um, first, um, not to steal anything from my, my

[1:36:10] colleague, but I really like how we're measuring Jim's in

[1:36:13] pickleball courts now. Um. I very much also appreciate that

[1:36:18] staff are addressing the concerns that we've heard come up

[1:36:20] through public employed, especially around safety. So it's really, I

[1:36:26] just really appreciate when that can be integrated. And I

[1:36:30] know we do our best to integrate where we hear

[1:36:31] from the public. Um, going back through not only the

[1:36:35] first input session, but the most recent one, but the

[1:36:40] first one, I really liked how some of the questions

[1:36:43] have been framed. What we're trying to achieve here, like,

[1:36:49] how do you want to feel when you enter the

[1:36:50] space. And so many questions around inclusion for different user

[1:36:54] groups. So I really want to say how much I

[1:36:56] appreciate that. And we got so many wonderful ideas from

[1:36:59] the community as well as from our advisory groups. Um,

[1:37:04] and I do love the design. It's also very interesting,

[1:37:07] but also in a biophilic architecture. So, you know, Billy

[1:37:11] fits in with the area and blends in with the

[1:37:13] nature. Um, I think this is really important for our

[1:37:17] community. Um, I was looking back some of the recommendation

[1:37:22] surveys and about we need more space. Even now, even

[1:37:27] if we don't grow, we need more programmable space. And,

[1:37:31] and I appreciate that, you know, this is an investment

[1:37:35] in our community. But even if we were to try

[1:37:39] to patch up Kyle Centre right now, functionally, it doesn't

[1:37:43] meet our needs. There's a lot of different programming that

[1:37:46] we need for seniors, for arts. Um, for gymnasium spaces.

[1:37:53] And it reminded me also of the conversations we've had

[1:37:55] about our, um. Our civic facilities studies. And that intergenerational

[1:38:01] equity. Like in the fact that we need to be

[1:38:04] investing for future generations, not just for today. We know

[1:38:09] what it was like to now be thinking about rebuilding

[1:38:12] our library when it was almost a capacity when it

[1:38:15] was, uh, finished as much as we love the library.

[1:38:19] You know, we should have been looking forward more when

[1:38:21] we built that. So I do hear the concerns about

[1:38:25] costs that it came up from some folks, um, and

[1:38:27] we don't have a conclusion exactly of what that's going

[1:38:29] to look like as far as the balance of ACCs

[1:38:32] and DCCs and borrowing. Um, but I think it's also

[1:38:36] important to remind folks that, um, there are grant programs

[1:38:39] that are coming up now from the federal government, um,

[1:38:43] like Bill Canada Strong, which also looks at matching funding

[1:38:45] from the province. And being able to have things that

[1:38:48] our shovel ready is that's when they want to actually

[1:38:50] build them. So, you know, I appreciate that folks are

[1:38:53] worried about cost. Everything is getting harder. But our staff

[1:38:58] are really good at getting grants and punchable their weight

[1:39:02] when it comes to applying and actually succeeding. So I

[1:39:09] just have a couple of considerations that I'd like to

[1:39:12] staff to keep in mind as we go. I know

[1:39:15] this is still early days. Um, I did love that

[1:39:18] there is community gardens. And, you know, as Kyle campus

[1:39:22] grows, I hope it'll be more opportunity for that. Um.

[1:39:26] One of the things that came up from some conversations

[1:39:28] in the community that I was part of was if

[1:39:31] there would be an opportunity for the Jim space to

[1:39:32] be able to convert into a performance space of some

[1:39:36] kind. I was talking to some parents around opportunities to

[1:39:42] minimize stimulation for those children and other participants or other

[1:39:46] participants who may need calm reflective spaces, um, while they're

[1:39:50] taking part in programming. Um, and as we started talking

[1:39:54] about, um, covered areas, I know that that was a

[1:39:58] comment that I took to heart having cover spaces in

[1:40:01] the plaza, especially for seniors to be able to gather

[1:40:04] and to chat, um, and to be able to use

[1:40:07] that plaza in all, in all weather. I think that's

[1:40:10] really important. And also my last comment is just around

[1:40:13] the shade structures. I think that that's really important. I

[1:40:16] appreciate that. I'll come later. Um, I think that's also

[1:40:20] an opportunity for art pieces as well. I know I've

[1:40:22] seen in certain, well, global communities either doing community art

[1:40:28] projects that involve creating sales or what have you. So

[1:40:33] just to think outside the box and fars when we're

[1:40:36] trying to create, um, you know, the shade structures or

[1:40:40] any other structures, if we can incorporate artistic elements as

[1:40:43] well. That's it. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor.

[1:40:48] Councillor Larbecky. Thank you. Um, so I greatly appreciate the

[1:40:53] work that has been done. And here we are in

[1:40:57] July ahead of October at a meeting where we have

[1:40:59] no public input. You know, talking about spending more money

[1:41:04] to move forward on things like just what is actually

[1:41:07] for as part of it was described 150, 000 cover

[1:41:11] being larger size and the planning for that, but also

[1:41:13] traffic analysis, archaeological assessment, uh, staff and contingency. That is,

[1:41:20] um, moving ahead on a major infrastructure project at immense

[1:41:26] cost to our community that to be frank, I do

[1:41:29] not understand the mandate we have on. So I just,

[1:41:33] and that is not a comment on the design work,

[1:41:35] anything like that. I think this is very exciting. It's

[1:41:36] wonderful. It's come to the committees. We've had a few

[1:41:39] open houses. Um, eventually this is going to be a

[1:41:42] need for our community. Depending what happens in Moody Centre

[1:41:45] to be frank, especially around the densification of that area.

[1:41:48] But I do want to point out to the engagement

[1:41:50] so far. Round two of engagement minors standing. It's had

[1:41:53] about 40 people at the open house in 75 surveys

[1:41:56] completed. Um, the round one of that total engagement from

[1:42:00] my understanding was about just over 300 people. So I

[1:42:04] just don't feel like the enthusiasm for marching ahead just

[1:42:07] before an election on such a massive capital, uh, infrastructure

[1:42:12] project could be gleamed from this, these, this input that

[1:42:17] we've had. And the input that we did have, that

[1:42:19] one of the top concerns was cost. It impacted taxpayers.

[1:42:22] And that is a very legitimate concern. Um, so I'm

[1:42:26] very fine to give input tonight. And I think that

[1:42:29] it's, it's gone through the committees and it's a very

[1:42:32] thoughtful design. And I feel very comfortable about, okay, we

[1:42:34] have this now. We have a vision. We know what

[1:42:37] we're working towards. Am I comfortable spending another 150, 000

[1:42:40] dollars to get permitting and stuff this summer. Uh, I'm

[1:42:44] not. And I don't think enough members of our community

[1:42:48] are on board or even know what we're talking about

[1:42:50] right now for me to feel comfortable with that. Uh,

[1:42:54] so I will be calling for, for separation on this.

[1:42:57] And I will not be supporting the increased funding. I

[1:43:00] think regardless of who's sitting here next term, it's going

[1:43:03] to be the next council is going to be deciding

[1:43:06] how to proceed, what to see, what does it look

[1:43:08] like and what the future of call centre is? And

[1:43:10] I think there needs to be a mandate from the

[1:43:12] public. Uh, this is kind of like discussing the icing

[1:43:15] on a cake when we don't own an oven. Right.

[1:43:18] It's kind of bizarre to me that we're so focused

[1:43:20] in on, on, um, the insights of this building. And

[1:43:24] we have no idea how we're going to pay for

[1:43:25] this. How much is even going to cost. So I

[1:43:28] really appreciate the work of staff. I'm comfortable where this

[1:43:32] is at. I think we need to put a bit

[1:43:33] of a pause. Three months won't do much except for

[1:43:38] allow a relook at this in a new context of

[1:43:41] what the next term will look like. So and we

[1:43:44] can hear better from the public at that time, I'm

[1:43:46] hoping. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Councillor Agterapp. Thank you.

[1:43:53] Um, there was 29 pages of public like verbatim comments

[1:43:59] that, uh, Council received and cost came up 34 times.

[1:44:04] And I appreciate, uh, that there is concern about how

[1:44:08] we're going to pay for this. And I also appreciate

[1:44:10] Councillor Lubick for bringing up like the shovel ready to

[1:44:14] get some of these grants. We need to have shovel

[1:44:16] ready things, but also people talked about cost as like

[1:44:19] adding more parking. So the cost benefit. So it wasn't

[1:44:25] only concern about how we're going to pay for that.

[1:44:27] Although I definitely hear that. I was curious about when

[1:44:32] Kyle Centre was built, there was about, uh, 12, 000

[1:44:35] people in Port Moody. And that works out to basically

[1:44:40] 5. 4 square feet per person. Um, and then, you

[1:44:43] know, I guess at the time we still had the

[1:44:45] ice sheet and the curling rank, um, and then in

[1:44:48] 2008, there was the expansion of what we have today

[1:44:51] at the rec centre. And I'm, I moved here just

[1:44:53] before that. And it was under construction. And now between

[1:44:57] Kyle and, um, our rec centre, we have 175, 000

[1:45:01] square feet, which works out to 4. 3 square feet

[1:45:03] per person. So, um, where I'm going with this is

[1:45:06] that, you know, we are at sitting around 39, 000

[1:45:10] square feet, but also there was a number of comments

[1:45:12] in there saying add another floor, build it bigger, um,

[1:45:16] for the future. And, um, I hear that. And I

[1:45:19] also can hear the concern about cost. So that's definitely

[1:45:22] a balancing act. Um, I'm comfortable with the request for

[1:45:27] 148, 000. I think what staff is asking for is

[1:45:32] very reasonable. And it will take us to the next

[1:45:34] stage. Regardless of what happens in the election, there will

[1:45:37] still be time to turn, you know, to turn the

[1:45:41] ship if that is the will of the next council.

[1:45:44] But in the meantime, I think we should still proceed

[1:45:48] with and referencing all the positive comments and the wants.

[1:45:52] And there. I did have a question. Um, the kitchen

[1:45:54] that's in Kyle Centre right now, is it going to

[1:45:56] be similar? Like it's still like a warming kitchen. So

[1:45:59] it's, it's, we're not losing anything. I see nodding heads.

[1:46:02] Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um, I wrote a lot of

[1:46:07] notes and now I've lost my spot. I like, um,

[1:46:12] the idea of more covered spaces in the plaza. Um,

[1:46:17] I remember during the pandemic, the covered space out here

[1:46:20] and over to the side here was well used. I

[1:46:23] would walk by here to return a library book. And

[1:46:26] I would see, um, the group of seniors sitting with

[1:46:30] their lawn chairs, you know, in a circle gathering in

[1:46:33] an open air space, but still undercover, um, given that

[1:46:36] we have, you know, torrential rains. Also heat domes, I

[1:46:41] think covered spaces are going to be welcomed by many

[1:46:43] people. Um. Quiet spaces was also another, another aspect that

[1:46:51] I've heard as well, like needing that low stimulation space.

[1:46:56] And the ceiling heights was mentioned, but I'm assuming that

[1:46:58] it's appropriate for volleyball, basketball, pickleball, many uses. And I

[1:47:05] like that we're adding another multipurpose gymnasium given the popularity

[1:47:09] of the two, the double gymnasium that we have now.

[1:47:13] And knowing that it can be hard for, um, people

[1:47:16] to, there's not a lot of time just to do

[1:47:18] drop in, shoot some hoops or play around in the,

[1:47:22] so appreciate that we're getting another potentially getting another space.

[1:47:25] Um, the only sort of comment that I didn't see

[1:47:28] in, in the feedback that I would say is, um,

[1:47:32] look for efficient construction methods, um, I know, um, mass

[1:47:38] timber is being contemplated, but also some of the other

[1:47:41] sort of newer construction methods like panelized that is being,

[1:47:46] um, built off site and then just popped up. So,

[1:47:49] um, I think that has some, some ability to minimize,

[1:47:54] um, the construction cost, though recognising digging a hole is

[1:47:57] probably the most costly, importing the foundation is the most

[1:47:59] costly part of the building. So appreciate all the work.

[1:48:02] Um, look forward to the next step and see how

[1:48:05] this shakes out in the fall. Thanks. Thank you. Councillor

[1:48:08] Morrison. Thank you. Um, I just want to start off

[1:48:11] by saying thank you very much for the feedback. Um,

[1:48:14] I really enjoyed reading the different input from our community.

[1:48:18] And I'm also want to recognise the passion of the

[1:48:20] community and that there is a big need for all

[1:48:23] different levels of services and different needs that aren't necessarily

[1:48:27] able to be delivered in Port Moody yet. Um, whether

[1:48:31] that is the quiet spaces that my colleagues talk about

[1:48:35] or the push for cafe social spaces, um, within the

[1:48:38] building or seniors and quiet zones or outdoor spaces to

[1:48:42] be able to have get togethers and stuff. I recognise

[1:48:46] that the need for a senior facility. There's a need

[1:48:48] for a bigger recreation facility. There's need for youth spaces

[1:48:52] to gather. Um, there's need for expansion for our arts

[1:48:56] community to be able to, um, utilise that programming and

[1:48:59] the demand on those programming because they run such a

[1:49:00] great program. So I just want to say that I

[1:49:03] appreciate all these different angles coming. And it's very, very

[1:49:07] hard as well when you're seeing this need to not

[1:49:09] say, let's do it all. How can we do it

[1:49:11] all? And, you know, 39, 000 square feet I want

[1:49:14] to commend staff for the fact that they expanded that

[1:49:17] size with council's direction on looking at those other needs

[1:49:22] as well as figuring out how we can make these

[1:49:24] spaces as multi - use as possible so that there

[1:49:26] is the ability to transition, for example, in the evenings

[1:49:29] to a different use or earlier in the mornings to

[1:49:31] a different use in some of these spaces. So I

[1:49:32] want to recognise that. Um, as far as my comments

[1:49:36] in regards to the look of it, and I appreciate

[1:49:38] the fact that the playground aspect of it is just

[1:49:41] placeholders right now, um, I, I hope they remain as

[1:49:45] placeholders and that there is a bigger discussion in regards

[1:49:47] to playground use, um, whether there's consideration of the possibility

[1:49:51] of a mint small water park for us cooling capabilities

[1:49:54] or cooling centre capabilities in that area, which is very

[1:49:57] much a heat island area of the city. Um, as

[1:50:00] we know, Moody Centre is, um, I also want to

[1:50:05] recognise the cost as well, as was mentioned by some

[1:50:10] of my colleagues. And the community as well. They're worried

[1:50:14] about this and how it's going to be paid for.

[1:50:16] And the ton of information out in regards to that.

[1:50:18] We're getting there. But, um, I think that that'll be

[1:50:21] a key component. So I'm a little bit, like I'm

[1:50:24] enthusiastic about the idea of providing such a really cool

[1:50:27] amenity that's going to be, you know, for the future

[1:50:30] for future residents that are coming in as well as

[1:50:32] serving our existing community. The fact that west side port

[1:50:36] moody is going to have a proper good size recreation

[1:50:39] centre to be able to get to without having to

[1:50:41] drive all the way down St. John Street to our

[1:50:43] rec centre over here. Um, is going to massively cut

[1:50:46] down their commute times. Um, and maybe even permit to

[1:50:49] active transportation or, or using, um, alternative modes like buses,

[1:50:53] et cetera. So I'm excited about that aspect of it

[1:50:56] as well as the growth that's going to happen in

[1:50:57] the area around it. Um, so, but the cost thing

[1:51:01] is, is, is a moment of pause for me because

[1:51:04] I know things can get expensive. And I am going

[1:51:07] to be pushing very, very hard for any type of

[1:51:09] partnerships, reduction and cost efficiencies, et cetera. As we go

[1:51:13] through this process and those discussions happen on how we

[1:51:16] can deliver the most, whether it's square footage wise or,

[1:51:20] or amenities or whichever into this space for the lowest

[1:51:23] cost possible while still, you know, following along our climate

[1:51:27] commitment goals, but maybe not as far as what might

[1:51:30] be, um, you know, the leaders of the entire lower

[1:51:33] mainland, if that's going to make a big difference in

[1:51:35] the cost. So I want to look at all those

[1:51:36] angles on those different cost pricing to see if we

[1:51:39] can shave five million, three million, whatever it happens to

[1:51:43] be off the cost, but still deliver a world -

[1:51:45] class facility that I know that our residents need. So

[1:51:49] I'm supportive of the extra cost here. Um, I understand

[1:51:52] that there's some potential savings in time and also potential

[1:51:57] cause. This could be made back just in time savings,

[1:52:00] et cetera, and being able to utilise, um, planning without

[1:52:03] having to feel like we're rushing or taking a step

[1:52:06] too quickly. So I can see this coming back later

[1:52:08] on in the process. So I'm okay with this an

[1:52:11] expenditure. So thank you for that. And those are my

[1:52:12] comments. Thank you. Um, yeah, I'm not going to add

[1:52:15] a lot to what was said, but I do want

[1:52:18] to, uh, sort of emphasize some of the points that

[1:52:20] were made. And I think Councillor Lubick really hit on

[1:52:22] one that I was, that I think that is really

[1:52:25] important for us to keep in mind. And that is

[1:52:27] around the grants and the fact that, um, the more

[1:52:30] detailed design that we get to, um, the, the better

[1:52:33] position we will place the city in to get that

[1:52:36] funding from the, from the federal government. So I'm, the

[1:52:40] only other comment that I would say on that is

[1:52:42] that the only way to find out what the cost

[1:52:44] is, is to get those to get to that detailed

[1:52:47] design place so that we can actually get those numbers

[1:52:50] on the table so that we can see that what

[1:52:52] we're dealing with. And then we, then we go to

[1:52:54] the next step where we're figuring out, well, how are

[1:52:56] we going to pay for this? And that needs to

[1:52:59] come. Um, I'm, I also feel very comfortable, um, with

[1:53:03] the increase, uh, for the reasons that we're explained around

[1:53:07] the change in the scope and the necessity to increase

[1:53:10] those into sort of add those things to the, to

[1:53:15] the planning right now in order so that we can

[1:53:17] actually capture some of the issues that the community brought

[1:53:20] up. Um, so I'm comfortable with that. And I'm also

[1:53:23] comfortable with the, um, utilising the funding source that staff

[1:53:26] have recommended, which is the, uh, community amenity contribution, uh,

[1:53:32] reserve. Um, you know, when I look at this project

[1:53:36] and I sort of think about Kyle, the Kyle campus.

[1:53:40] And what we're trying to achieve here, we have to

[1:53:42] also remember that those renderings will be changed and they

[1:53:44] will be further refined as we get into further details.

[1:53:48] Um, and we'll be making some announcements in the area

[1:53:53] that are going to change this almost immediately in terms

[1:53:56] of the, um, the, I guess, how that, how that

[1:54:00] will unfold. Um, so I'm really excited about that. Um,

[1:54:03] but when I think about what, how, uh, area is

[1:54:08] being used right now, I really always go back to

[1:54:11] the art centre. And the fact that, um, the art

[1:54:14] centre and the, um, the, the folks at the art

[1:54:19] centre are providing, they're really the arts arm of the

[1:54:23] city. And what we've been hearing from them as recently

[1:54:26] as even, I think earlier this year was that they're

[1:54:29] very, um, constrained in the space that they have. They're

[1:54:33] very, they, they would love to be able to expand

[1:54:36] their programming and, um, look for other ways to provide

[1:54:40] that service to the, to the residents. Um, of Court

[1:54:43] Booney and to partner with the city to achieve that

[1:54:48] goal. Um, and so I always have always thought of

[1:54:52] this building as being, um, an expansion for, you know,

[1:54:57] as the potential for expanding, um, the facility, the art

[1:55:01] centre facility as well. And I appreciate the, um, the,

[1:55:06] the mention of the art space, um, at that during,

[1:55:10] during the presentation. And, and do really feel very strongly

[1:55:14] that we need to be, um, pushing that, um, and

[1:55:19] really working with the art centre folks to try and

[1:55:22] ensure that, um, we're providing the space that's required for

[1:55:25] that increase in programming. I think that for us, it's

[1:55:29] really, it's really going to come down to cost again

[1:55:32] in terms of all the comments that were made previously.

[1:55:35] We need to get to that detailed phase. And in

[1:55:39] speaking with staff today, um, in order to assist us

[1:55:42] in understanding, um, what that might look like, I think

[1:55:45] that we should be giving direction at this time for,

[1:55:49] for, um, for staff to do some analysis and some

[1:55:52] feasibilities around, uh, what would it look like if we

[1:55:55] allocated some space to specifically dedicate it for space for

[1:56:01] the art centre? Um, so with that, I'd like to

[1:56:04] move, um, the following amendment, our additional motion to what's

[1:56:09] being presented here. And that is that staff report back

[1:56:13] on the financial feasibility. Of allocating the second floor of

[1:56:20] multipurpose room for dedicated space for art, centre, program expansion.

[1:56:26] And report back, um, and to report back during the

[1:56:30] detailed design phase. So that we can have all the

[1:56:33] information in front of us so that we can best

[1:56:36] understand what that, what that would look like. And we

[1:56:39] can continue those conversations with the art centre folks, um,

[1:56:43] and trying to integrate. And help them along in expanding

[1:56:46] their opportunities in the city. So, um, that's been, that's

[1:56:49] a motion that I'd like to, okay, it's been moved

[1:56:52] in seconded. Um, thank you for that. I'll go to

[1:56:55] Councillor Knowles. Yeah. Thank you for that Mayor. Um. This

[1:57:03] is something I think is very important. We know that

[1:57:05] Pomartz has outgrown its space. And it actually has so

[1:57:09] many opportunities ahead of it. Um, for programming. And it's

[1:57:14] actually now, we need to remember it's not for Martin's

[1:57:17] anymore. It's pomo arts and the visitor centre. Yes. Right.

[1:57:20] Um, they have taken on a whole new role. And

[1:57:23] in this city and are starting to direct people all

[1:57:26] over the city, which is really, really impressive. So, um,

[1:57:29] absolutely support this. I think this has the potential, you

[1:57:33] know, and this is just one more step in our,

[1:57:35] our fully embodying the city of the arts. So thank

[1:57:38] you for this. Absolutely support. Thank you. I think it's

[1:57:41] important to get that information so that we come from

[1:57:44] a place of knowledge. Councillor Dilworth, let me just speak

[1:57:49] in support of the amendment. I think in addition to

[1:57:51] providing additional programming space for pormon arts, what it's also

[1:57:55] giving them a certainty. Certainty in knowing that they have

[1:57:59] X amount of space. And it can really help them

[1:58:01] in their, both their shorter term programming and their longer

[1:58:05] term programming. As I noted earlier, this is going to

[1:58:08] be, this building is going to be there for use

[1:58:11] for the next 50 years. So for promo arts to

[1:58:14] know that they are in true partnership with the city

[1:58:17] and they have allocated space in that building gives them

[1:58:20] a higher level of security and certainty in terms of

[1:58:24] their long - term strategic planning. Okay. Um, I don't

[1:58:30] see anybody either. Oh, Councillor Morrison. Just let me copy.

[1:58:33] Thank you. Um, I appreciate the, uh, amendment Mayor Latti.

[1:58:37] I think that this information is good information to have.

[1:58:40] Um, and also figuring out the costing, et cetera, around

[1:58:44] that as well. Um, we know that providing space for

[1:58:48] any community group has an expense to it. And it

[1:58:51] subsidized by the city and the taxpayers, et cetera. And

[1:58:53] I know that they put on awesome programs. So I'd

[1:58:55] love to know more about, um, about not only the

[1:58:59] cost of delivering this as a consistent space, um, to,

[1:59:03] to this, this group, but also, um, you know, the

[1:59:05] amazing things they're thinking about coming forward as, as part

[1:59:08] of that extra space, if they got that, would that

[1:59:10] be also part of this where they would talk it

[1:59:12] all about that? I think that that would be something

[1:59:13] that the art centre would have to take away. And

[1:59:16] I, and I wouldn't presume that they would know right

[1:59:19] away. They're, they're going to have to determine from a

[1:59:22] business case for themselves if that's, you know, what I

[1:59:27] hear, what I've heard from, um, the art centre is

[1:59:30] that, um, they need to know, like, if, if, um,

[1:59:36] how many square feet they're talking about and what, what,

[1:59:38] what that would look like. So I think we want

[1:59:40] to be able to provide that to them so that

[1:59:41] they can, so that they can go back, go away

[1:59:45] and do some and cringe some numbers and figure out

[1:59:47] what their plan might look like. Um, this is just

[1:59:52] a starting place in order to try and get that,

[1:59:55] those conversations going. Um, it's really important for us. Because

[2:00:00] any space that's in there that's built. And if it's

[2:00:04] dedicated to a specific, if it's not being used by

[2:00:08] the general public, then the rest of the space needs

[2:00:12] to sort of make up for that. So we need

[2:00:13] to look at how we're going to, to pay for

[2:00:16] that as well. So I think it's really important that

[2:00:19] we get everything on the table so that we know

[2:00:20] exactly what we're doing. And so as part of this,

[2:00:23] there would also be some discussion about perhaps needs within

[2:00:26] that space for them, whether it's ventilation or, um, I

[2:00:30] would hope so. Et cetera stuff like that. You know,

[2:00:32] and it may be too early to get to those

[2:00:34] types of conversations for them. But, um, just from a

[2:00:39] financial feasibility, if, if we're building that space and, you

[2:00:44] know, what would that look like for the city? Yeah.

[2:00:47] Cause some of those things are key equipment that they

[2:00:49] would have to consider. And, um, just with what those

[2:00:52] conversations to happen between staff and the arts centres. So

[2:00:56] that way they can say this is the space that

[2:00:57] you were looking at. What do you need in this

[2:00:59] space to be able to do it so that way

[2:01:00] that's a full part of that? We may, we may

[2:01:02] not get to that detail, uh, level of detail, but

[2:01:05] we need to know whether, what the cost for the

[2:01:08] city is for that type of a space to be

[2:01:11] allocated somewhere else. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

[2:01:14] Um, okay. And I don't see any other hands. So

[2:01:18] I'm going to call the question on the amendment all

[2:01:21] in favor. Opposed carried. Now we're going back to the

[2:01:26] main motion. I think everybody has spoken to this. So

[2:01:28] I'm going to call the question on the main motion,

[2:01:30] all in favor. Oh, the separation councillor. I'm sorry. Forgive

[2:01:34] me. Sorry. So we'll go on the first part, which

[2:01:37] is the providing the, of the feedback. All in favor.

[2:01:43] Opposed carried. The second part is the additional 148, 000

[2:01:47] for the scope change. All in favor. Opposed Councillor Larbecki

[2:01:52] is opposed. On the third part of the motion, all

[2:01:55] in favor. Opposed carry unanimously. Thank you. All right. Thank

[2:02:00] you everybody for that. Uh, we'll move to the next

[2:02:03] item on the agenda, which is 11. 4. The suiter

[2:02:06] broke traffic improvement plan update request. I think that we

[2:02:13] are looking at having a staff presentation on this. Oh,

[2:02:21] Mr. Moye. I'm sorry. My bad. And I also, I

[2:02:26] will note that, um, we have, uh, representative from Ani

[2:02:31] in the audience. And if Council wishes to ask that

[2:02:34] individual, any questions, um, with leave of Council, we can

[2:02:37] invite them up to answer questions. Um, Mr. Moy. Through

[2:02:40] the chair, it's not a, it's not a presentation, but

[2:02:42] just a brief summary. The city and Ani have been

[2:02:45] working together to implement traffic improvements in Sutter Brook over

[2:02:47] the past several years. Um, the report, uh, that's in

[2:02:50] the agenda package outlines a scope change, which would help

[2:02:53] getting, get the remaining work done. So Ani's provided some

[2:02:56] rationale for the change. And staff support this change in

[2:02:59] consideration of the high impacts of the original scope of

[2:03:01] work. There was, uh, there was the one way conversion,

[2:03:05] which was done by the city. And then there's been

[2:03:07] some addition of raise crosswalks. Um, the remaining work is,

[2:03:11] is some intersection, um, changes at, at Murray and Morrissey.

[2:03:15] And then particularly creating raised intersections along Morrissey, uh, Brew

[2:03:20] and Sutterbrook way. Um, which from, from, from what we've

[2:03:23] seen, uh, they require significant drainage changes. You have to

[2:03:27] dig up the whole intersection, uh, rebuild it at a

[2:03:29] slightly higher elevation, rebuild the curbs. And so you'd be

[2:03:32] closing roads. Um, for, for long periods and potentially actually

[2:03:35] just closing all of the roads, uh, for each intersection.

[2:03:38] So I think it could be a long disruption. Um,

[2:03:41] our view is changing the scope as outlined will address

[2:03:44] the general traffic improvement goals. Um, that we've set out

[2:03:47] to achieve with less disturbance. There may not be as

[2:03:49] much of the aesthetic quality, but they would still be,

[2:03:53] um, usable and anesthetically pleasing and serve the public. And

[2:03:58] it would also ensure the work can be completed in

[2:04:00] a shorter time period as I'm aware that residents in

[2:04:02] the neighbourhood are looking forward to the work being, uh,

[2:04:05] implemented and completed. What kind of feedback have you gotten

[2:04:09] from the community in Suderbrook with regards to the proposed

[2:04:14] changes? Through the chair that this, um, there is, that

[2:04:20] may be something that, that, that, uh, the representatives from

[2:04:22] Anime able to speak to better, um, this is something

[2:04:25] where we've certainly had a lot of, um, or several

[2:04:28] questions from residents as to the status of the work.

[2:04:31] Um, but not so much, uh, on the details of

[2:04:34] this change because this has been something that we're, we're

[2:04:36] just looking at now. I know that the letters from

[2:04:38] businesses, um, supporting this change in the, in the package

[2:04:40] that Omni presented. And, um, lastly from my perspective, just

[2:04:45] a question, um, if these changes that are being proposed,

[2:04:50] um, they are different than what was approved, um, previously.

[2:04:54] And I will, um, accept the rationale that some of

[2:04:58] the, that the improvements that were made, um, immediately have

[2:05:02] actually, um, had a significant impact. And if these changes

[2:05:09] do not result in a significant, um, improvement, um, would

[2:05:16] there be an opportunity to revisit some of the proposed

[2:05:19] previously proposed changes? Through the chair, I think, um, like

[2:05:26] this, this, this project also fulfills a development requirement, um,

[2:05:30] from Ani. It was originally meant to be a traffic

[2:05:32] signal at Capelano. That got changed to a traffic calming

[2:05:34] plan. Um, and we scoped it this way. So, um,

[2:05:38] we're holding a security to make sure that the, um,

[2:05:40] that the work gets done in some form. Um, I

[2:05:44] think it would be difficult if we complete an alternate

[2:05:48] scope of work to go back and add more on

[2:05:50] again. But I think the, the, the aspects that are

[2:05:54] being changed would, I think those changes are going to

[2:05:57] be more, um, aesthetic and of a different quality. But

[2:06:01] I think the general function of traffic calming and, um,

[2:06:05] and reducing that that is going to result in a

[2:06:10] significant enough improvement from a technical perspective, yes. Yeah. Okay.

[2:06:14] Uh, Councillor Agtrapp. Thank you. Um, since this is my

[2:06:17] neighbourhood, I get a lot of questions about this as

[2:06:19] Mr. Moye knows. I've also asked him. Um, I appreciate

[2:06:24] that this is going to move ahead and that there's

[2:06:27] going to be the 30 kilometer signs and some additional

[2:06:30] speed humps. I'm curious that I walked around this neighbourhood

[2:06:35] with residents that have, um, accessibility challenges and use, use

[2:06:41] accessibility devices. And one of the challenges that is sort

[2:06:44] of ongoing is the BRICS. And if they, um, are

[2:06:48] broken, um, or some of the curbellet downs, especially where

[2:06:52] I see is like brew at Morrissey, um, and Suterbrick

[2:06:55] at Morrissey, those intersections and the curves. And I'm hoping,

[2:06:59] and maybe staff can confirm that, um, through this work,

[2:07:02] those challenges will be addressed. Through the chair, I may

[2:07:07] have to, I mean, if, if there is real accessibility

[2:07:11] issues or trip hazards, um, there's a, there's a division

[2:07:16] in the property line. So some is on the city

[2:07:18] side, which we need to take care of. And some

[2:07:20] is on the, um, the Cetterbrook side, which Ani would

[2:07:23] take care of. So, um, I mean, we'll certainly inspect

[2:07:25] that and improve any sort of changes before we put

[2:07:29] down fresh paint on, on that. Okay. That's great. I

[2:07:32] think, um, right now, like having travelled through that area,

[2:07:35] and I can talk to you later, is there about

[2:07:37] 50 - 50, some's on ours and thumbs on the

[2:07:40] other side. So, um, I just hope that those get

[2:07:42] addressed as work continues through here, especially when you're missing

[2:07:47] like parts or their damage. It becomes challenging for some

[2:07:53] people to navigate that area. But I'm looking forward to

[2:07:55] the completion of this. Thanks. Thank you, Councillor Councillor Larbecki.

[2:08:00] Thank you. Um, yes, we get, yeah, a lot of,

[2:08:05] uh, feedback, input concerns over traffic issues and accessibility mobility

[2:08:09] issues in this neighbourhood. I guess I have a question

[2:08:13] maybe through to probably Mr. Moye, but how, how do

[2:08:17] we get here, I guess? So this development is what

[2:08:20] about 15 years old. How does a development get approved

[2:08:23] that ends up having this substantial level of traffic issues

[2:08:27] in it? Because I think that's on, you know, you

[2:08:31] hear from people, like how did this, what's going on?

[2:08:32] How this happened? So have things changed. Do we have

[2:08:36] better planning rules now? I'm just wondering if staff could

[2:08:40] maybe let the public know what their answer to that

[2:08:43] question might be. Sure. Through the chair, I can take

[2:08:48] a shot at it. I think something that's changed that

[2:08:52] actually made a difference when we first went out, we

[2:08:56] started to hear these concerns about Sutterbrook Village. A lot

[2:08:58] of it was around circulation. So, um, pick up and

[2:09:02] drop off. It was, it was loading for commercial. Uh,

[2:09:05] they didn't have any space for loading. Um, and it

[2:09:08] was a lot of, uh, like shopping for parking. We

[2:09:11] call it like drivers going around trying to find service

[2:09:13] parking. Parking was free on the surface. It was, you

[2:09:16] know, there was some time limited, but that's what they're

[2:09:17] looking for. They didn't want to go into the park

[2:09:19] aid or they couldn't didn't know that there was a

[2:09:21] parcade there. Um, and so a lot of the changes

[2:09:23] from a circulation point of view, we think have, um,

[2:09:26] that we've put in have made a difference. So I

[2:09:28] think that's probably that lesson learned is making some of

[2:09:31] the roads one way. And then changing the parking, um,

[2:09:35] the parking regulations to provide, um, specific loading zones, uh,

[2:09:41] which we didn't have before. Um, and then different time

[2:09:44] limited zones as well as the addition of pay parking,

[2:09:48] I think has helped with providing that surface parking availability

[2:09:50] and also helping to drive some of those, uh, vehicles

[2:09:54] go to go down to, um, the parcade. Another issue

[2:09:57] which is being addressed by the plan proposed here is,

[2:10:00] um, there was a, there was a, an architectural feature,

[2:10:04] which was the paver, um, roads. And the original intersections

[2:10:08] were actually meant to be raised intersection. So a lot

[2:10:10] of the treatment was focused on having different kinds of

[2:10:13] pavers to show, um, show where the walking areas are.

[2:10:16] Um, but the pavers, it is actually because of the

[2:10:19] way the roads have sort of either because of the

[2:10:23] pavers have faded or because there's less raised features. Um,

[2:10:27] it is, it can be hard to identify the exact

[2:10:30] crosswalk location. So this would also add, um, industry standard

[2:10:35] or Canada, um, standard, uh, crosswalk markings, which I think

[2:10:39] would help with that. Okay. Thank you for that. So

[2:10:43] some changes in what we're doing in some lessons learned.

[2:10:45] And, you know, obviously I remember our conversation on Spring

[2:10:48] Street and whether it's to be one way or not.

[2:10:52] And, um, just, you know, something to reflect on in

[2:10:55] terms of our lessons learned. And we're talking about new

[2:10:58] developments that we kind of don't repeat the same mistakes

[2:11:00] so we can have functional traffic and walkability in the

[2:11:04] neighbourhoods. We claim we're building coasts. They're so walkable. So

[2:11:06] I think this needs to get done. I mean, if,

[2:11:09] if this is the best way for, then fine. It

[2:11:11] just needs to get done. So thank you. Thank you,

[2:11:13] Councillor. Somebody want to move the motion. It's been moved

[2:11:17] in seconded. Is there an, is there any desire to

[2:11:20] hear from, um, a representative for Moni. Nope. Okay. You're

[2:11:25] off the hook. Um, then I will call the question.

[2:11:29] It's been moved and seconded all in favor. Opposed Carry

[2:11:32] unanimously. Thank you. Um, next item is committee appointments. Oh,

[2:11:37] oh, sorry my bad. The on table that this goes

[2:11:40] back to Mr. Uh, Mr. Moe again. Okay. So there

[2:11:46] is a recommendation and perhaps Mr. Moe, you can give

[2:11:49] us a quick update on where this is coming from

[2:11:53] and why it's here now tonight. Sure. Um, through the

[2:11:56] chair, I'm sorry that this was, uh, put on table.

[2:11:59] We were made aware of a grant program on July

[2:12:01] 13th in the deadline to apply a September 4th. So

[2:12:03] this is the last Council meeting before that deadline. So

[2:12:06] we needed to provide an ontable memo to seek approval

[2:12:08] if Council wants us to make an application. Um, this

[2:12:10] is a federal transport candida grant for rail, um, rail

[2:12:16] for a rail safety improvement program. Um, we have done

[2:12:20] work to explore whistle cessation, what work would be necessary

[2:12:24] for the Murray Street crossing of the CPKC spur line.

[2:12:29] This grant program does not cover whistle cessation, but it

[2:12:32] does cover safety improvements. And in order to ask for

[2:12:34] whistlecization, you need to improve that railway to high level

[2:12:37] of safety. So what we'll be doing is applying for

[2:12:40] the safety improvements, um, at Murray Street and for the

[2:12:44] Trassolini Field Crossings, which would then allow us in the

[2:12:46] future to ask for whistle cessation. The total project costs,

[2:12:49] a high level estimate is 400, 000 dollars. And this

[2:12:52] grant would cover 80 percent of the cost, which is

[2:12:55] why we thought we should re ask. Um, it's a

[2:12:57] three year funding program. So this would be our chance

[2:12:59] to apply for that three years. Um, I should be

[2:13:02] clear about whistle cessation, um, on the spur line is

[2:13:06] that if we were to do all of this work,

[2:13:08] uh, the whistle cessation was accepted by the, by the

[2:13:11] railway, it would stop whistling, um, at the Murray Street

[2:13:14] and the Traselini crosswalk, or sorry, crossings, but, um, but

[2:13:18] whistling would still be necessary for their long, um, the

[2:13:20] spur line. Continuing whistle satisfacing along there would have a

[2:13:26] high cost include include even needing to add bells and

[2:13:28] whistle warning or sorry light and bell warnings at some

[2:13:33] of the roadway crossings along there, which could also have

[2:13:35] impacts on the neighbourhood. So we're not recommending that, um,

[2:13:38] that the city would consider, um, expanding the program that

[2:13:41] far. Um, and also the way that we're suggesting is,

[2:13:45] is that the city does not get this grant that

[2:13:47] we would just return the funds to the reserve. Um,

[2:13:50] the total that we would ask for to commit to

[2:13:52] this would be 90, 000 dollars with 10, 000 dollars

[2:13:54] being to apply for the grant. Okay. Thank you very

[2:13:56] much. Um, for that explanation, Councillor Agtra. Thank you. I'd

[2:14:01] like to move the recommendation. Second. Okay. It's been moved

[2:14:03] in seconded. And then I think this is also a

[2:14:05] good example of where we've already done work and we're

[2:14:08] able now to jump on a grant, um, at the

[2:14:11] last minute. So appreciate, um, staff in making that happen.

[2:14:15] Thanks. Thank you so much. Um, Councillor Morrison. Thank you.

[2:14:19] I appreciate as well the explanation there. Mr. Moye in

[2:14:22] regards to the other areas. Cause we all know that,

[2:14:24] uh, down in the Pleasant side neighbourhood, et cetera, that

[2:14:26] they, uh, an older side would love to have those,

[2:14:29] um, horns and whistles stop. But the fact that the

[2:14:33] option is, you know, four minutes or three minutes long

[2:14:36] of Bel's ringing, um, might not be the preferred option.

[2:14:39] So then at this time, but I hope that in

[2:14:43] the future, if there ever is, the ability to, um,

[2:14:46] upgrade those, those intersections and stuff to make that with

[2:14:49] gates or whatever needs to be done to help it.

[2:14:51] I would, I would enjoy that conversation for that community.

[2:14:55] Um, but, uh, in this, in this neighbourhood to be

[2:14:57] able to get those, too, Mon Murray and behind Traslaney

[2:15:00] Field, I think would be a great option. So the

[2:15:02] fact that it's, even though we're paying for upgrades to

[2:15:05] help stop whistles at the end, uh, I don't think

[2:15:11] we should have to pay any of it to try

[2:15:12] to get that to stop and should be a fully

[2:15:15] covered by the government, um, I'm happy that at least

[2:15:17] 80 percent is covered. So thank you. Thank you. So

[2:15:19] it's been moved and seconded. I'll call the question all

[2:15:22] in favor. Opposed, Carrie, thanks so much for bringing this

[2:15:26] forward tonight, Mr. Moe. Now we're going to go to

[2:15:29] committee appointments. And. Earlier this evening council approved the following

[2:15:38] appointments to the youth focus committee. And, uh, those will

[2:15:46] be, and those individuals will be notified of their, uh.

[2:15:53] Membership of this youth focus committee. Shortly. No, it's already

[2:15:58] been done. So, um, I do not want to read

[2:16:02] all of those names. I'm afraid I might not do

[2:16:05] a very good job of it. So, uh, but we

[2:16:07] will be notifying the new members. Momentarily within the next

[2:16:12] few days. All right. And next item is Council Verbal

[2:16:16] Reports. Councillor Knowles. Thank you, Mayor. Um, I'll, I'll be

[2:16:23] brief. This is our last meeting before our, um, August

[2:16:26] break. So I just wanted to quickly, um, shout out

[2:16:28] a few events happening in August. Um, for our residents,

[2:16:33] um, coming up August 1st, we've got celebrate BC at

[2:16:35] Rocky Point Park. This is our first annual, but hopefully

[2:16:39] more coming forward. I'm really looking forward to seeing this

[2:16:42] for the first time at our signature park. Um, you

[2:16:46] know, in addition, we've got the art outside opening on

[2:16:51] August 7th. Poem, that's Pomords outside opening. That's going to

[2:16:54] be seven day festival. Um, where art fills the streets

[2:16:58] really looking forward to that. We have Car Friday on

[2:17:04] August 16th. And then a bunch of smaller items that

[2:17:08] I'm going to leave to my colleagues, but I think

[2:17:11] those are the big ones. And I really hope to

[2:17:12] see a lot of residents out, um, out and enjoying

[2:17:15] those. The other thing I wanted to say is, um,

[2:17:20] a Councillor expressed today, you know, why are we, why

[2:17:23] are we doing this work three months prior to an

[2:17:26] election? And I just wanted to say that as a

[2:17:28] sitting councillor, um, I will always do the job that,

[2:17:33] um, I agreed to do, um, regardless of whether it's

[2:17:36] the last three months of my term or the first

[2:17:38] three months of my term, our job is our job.

[2:17:40] And, um, whether or not an election is coming. I

[2:17:43] don't believe that that should ever affect our decisions or

[2:17:46] judgments while we're at the table. We were elected for

[2:17:48] a purpose. And I think it's important that we keep

[2:17:50] in mind that we are expected to do our jobs.

[2:17:53] And, um, I'm proud that we did that tonight. Thank

[2:17:57] you. Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Dilworth. Of course, Councillor Knowles

[2:18:02] had the three events that I have on my list

[2:18:05] as well. But I want to speak a little bit

[2:18:07] more about art outside, which is launching next Friday, August

[2:18:12] 7th. And it's opening with, it's opening over in Pioneer

[2:18:17] Park. And there will be artists painting a community piano.

[2:18:24] For the park. And also painting those really, really big

[2:18:29] andironic chairs that you see throughout. So that is sort

[2:18:32] of the big first event that's taking place. And I'm

[2:18:35] really looking forward to it. And, um, uh, a few

[2:18:38] of us live in Newport Village. And I remember the

[2:18:41] last arts outside, you know, every day, you know, you

[2:18:46] could see, you could see magicians. You could see people

[2:18:49] all out in their patios listening to musicians, um, with

[2:18:53] or without instruments. It was just really, really well accepted.

[2:18:57] And it helped bring some of the neighbours together and

[2:18:59] gather well listening to those musicians. Uh, Carpe Day is

[2:19:03] August 16th. That's going to be great. Um. BCD, we've

[2:19:08] already covered that one. As the last meeting of the

[2:19:11] summer, you know, I've been reading a lot of warnings

[2:19:13] about whether events and whether it's floods out in the

[2:19:17] valley, wildfires in the centre of our province. I think

[2:19:20] in the lower mainland, one of the most impactful is

[2:19:24] heat domes. And I would just encourage everybody, you know,

[2:19:28] check in on your neighbours. Check in on your families.

[2:19:31] Certainly the city does provide cooling opportunities through a missed

[2:19:35] tunnel in some of our parks or opening up city

[2:19:39] hall gallery for people to gather in heat tempered space.

[2:19:45] But this is a, watch your pets, watch your neighbor's

[2:19:49] particularly seniors who might be more vulnerable or isolated or

[2:19:53] not knowing where to get support. So I want everyone

[2:19:57] to have a really safe. Yet happy summer. Thank you

[2:20:03] very much. Councillor Morrison. All right. Um, so, um, yes,

[2:20:12] happy summer to all my colleagues. Thank you again for

[2:20:15] an awesome first, oh, two thirds of the year at

[2:20:18] this point, uh, by the time we come back, um,

[2:20:20] September 22nd will be our next meeting because we actually

[2:20:23] have UBCM convention that, um, some of us are going

[2:20:27] to be attending to advocate on behalf of our community.

[2:20:31] Um, and also partake in some of the info sessions,

[2:20:35] LMLGA was when I attended earlier this year, I didn't

[2:20:37] do FCM. But some of them are really good topics

[2:20:40] on how to, you know, further public engagement or different

[2:20:43] ideas that other communities across BC, because this is all

[2:20:46] the British Columbia Municipalities have to solve regional issues or

[2:20:51] local issues that they might have encountered. So I'm looking

[2:20:54] forward to attending that. And I believe a few of

[2:20:56] my colleagues will be there as well. Um, and I

[2:20:59] will be, um, letting people know as I go throughout

[2:21:01] that, that program, you know, what's kind of coming up

[2:21:04] or what's been discussed in some of these things. And

[2:21:06] we also get to vote and advocate for our motions

[2:21:08] that we're also, um, very passionate about. Um, I also

[2:21:12] wanted to mention that, um, when we do reconvene, uh,

[2:21:16] as we know, we're in an election period now officially.

[2:21:20] And, uh, we'll have the full list of all the

[2:21:22] candidates that are going to be running, um, for mayor

[2:21:27] school board or council. And that'll all be finalised by

[2:21:30] the time we return. So I just want to encourage

[2:21:31] everybody out there that's either going to be meeting or

[2:21:35] the candidates or thinking about running themselves to look into

[2:21:37] it. Uh, there's information on the city website about it.

[2:21:41] Having a good variety of different perspectives and different visions

[2:21:44] is always wonderful. And I encourage, um, people to participate

[2:21:49] in that process as much as possible. And get out

[2:21:51] and vote eventually. But to get engaged because, you know,

[2:21:55] you need to ask those tough questions of myself or

[2:21:56] any of the candidates running and hopefully they'll have a

[2:22:00] vision on how they're going to deliver on their vision

[2:22:02] as well. So I encourage everybody, please get to know

[2:22:04] your candidates and support. Whomever you'd like in that, uh,

[2:22:08] in that race. Other than that, I'm heading off to

[2:22:10] the Okanagan for a few days for my father's retirement.

[2:22:13] So happy retirement to my dad after 45 years at

[2:22:17] the same sawmill. So it will be a very, very

[2:22:21] happy day for him to get a chance to retire.

[2:22:24] So congratulations dad on that retirement. Great. Thank you everyone.

[2:22:27] Thank you for that. Councillor Lubick. Thank you so much.

[2:22:31] Um, yeah, echoing Councillor Morrison, I'm excited for UBCM. And

[2:22:36] also the opportunity to talk to hopefully ministers and ministerial

[2:22:39] staff and advocate directly. For what we need. And I

[2:22:44] do want to give a shout out as Councillor Dilworth

[2:22:47] mentioned, you know, heat is a big issue right now.

[2:22:51] And if the wind changes smoke will be as well.

[2:22:53] We've already had a couple of air quality warnings. And

[2:22:56] our staff do a really good job of sharing information

[2:22:59] through the city website and letting people know who's more

[2:23:02] vulnerable and trying to keep people safe. So I do

[2:23:06] want to acknowledge all the work that staff do. Um,

[2:23:09] and last I just want to share a couple of,

[2:23:13] um, other events that the folks haven't mentioned yet. I

[2:23:18] know it's unbelievable. There aren't. There are still a couple,

[2:23:21] but I'm excited for nest building in Bienen. Nest building

[2:23:26] and component near park is part of art outside, but

[2:23:28] it's going to be, um, natural weaving and teaching people

[2:23:31] how to do that. So we're going to make a

[2:23:32] community nest. And I'm very excited about that. Um, the

[2:23:37] eighth. Yeah. Um, that's August 8th. Uh, this week, pomar

[2:23:43] arts has a, uh, art uncorked event again. So wine

[2:23:47] and art pairing. This has become one of my favourite

[2:23:48] things. Uh, we have cake culture days coming up, um,

[2:23:52] on August 9th. Or just the one day. And it's

[2:23:57] not in Moody, but, um, tricities wide, I think. I

[2:24:02] always love the dumpling festival. And I think it's important

[2:24:05] to share that because that came out of an anti

[2:24:09] - racism event, um, the organiser originally during COVID had

[2:24:13] a terrible experience of racism. And instead of getting, I'm

[2:24:17] sure she'd get upset at first, but then she decided

[2:24:20] to bring people together and thought, well, everyone has a

[2:24:23] dumpling. So let's get all of the dumplings together. And

[2:24:26] that's actually come out with my nieces favourite line of

[2:24:30] storybooks as well featuring all, um, all the dumplings that

[2:24:35] learn so much from each other. Um, so I'm looking

[2:24:37] forward to this year's edition of that. So thank you

[2:24:39] so much. See you guys in September. Thank you, Councillor.

[2:24:43] Um, I wanted to take an opportunity because we have,

[2:24:47] um, received some, some input and some questions about, um,

[2:24:51] a recent purchase that was approved by Council. And there

[2:24:55] was some discussion around, you know, the process under which

[2:25:00] that, that took place. But, um, I'm very pleased to

[2:25:02] be able to, uh, to talk tonight about, uh, the

[2:25:06] city purchasing land in Moody Centre. Um, near Kyle Centre

[2:25:10] for future use as park space. So recently we purchased

[2:25:14] almost 33 square feet or four properties located near Kyle

[2:25:19] Centre and Kyle Park for future use as public parks

[2:25:24] base to serve the Moody Centre neighbourhood and the broader

[2:25:27] community moving forward. So on behalf of Council, I'm pleased

[2:25:32] to announce the purchase of this land, which helps us

[2:25:35] meet the city's goals for Parkland established in the OCP

[2:25:39] and the Park Land strategy. And the acquisition of new

[2:25:44] Parkland to address gaps and meet current and future community

[2:25:47] needs as identified as a high priority in both documents,

[2:25:51] um, Moody Centre as noted as having the highest need,

[2:25:55] um, and with the renewal and expansion of Kyle Park

[2:25:58] highlighted, as we saw tonight as a top priority, due

[2:26:01] to a recognised deficit of park land and anticipated high

[2:26:04] demand for parkspace, um, as the neighbourhood evolves. This seemed

[2:26:08] like the right move to make. So, um, the process

[2:26:11] to develop both the OCP and the Parkland strategy included

[2:26:15] exclusive community engagement with meaningful and inclusive opportunities to provide

[2:26:21] input on community values and priorities. Feedback from the public

[2:26:26] helped to shape these important documents, which reflects a shared

[2:26:30] vision that guides counsel. And that is what we use

[2:26:33] to make these types of decisions. In refining the parkland

[2:26:37] strategy, we also heard valuable input from residents at the

[2:26:42] Mayorstown Hall and Community Dialogue on Park Expansion in Moody

[2:26:45] Centre. And that reinforced the importance of addressing Parkland needs

[2:26:49] in this neighbourhood. So the purchase of these properties near

[2:26:52] Kyle Centre was a strategic decision. Thoughtfully made to acquire

[2:26:57] land adjacent to an existing park in a high growth

[2:27:01] area and near additional properties purchased in recent years, uh,

[2:27:05] for future park space. Land is scarce in Port Mooney,

[2:27:09] which means that we have to act quickly and wherever

[2:27:12] possible, uh, when the land becomes available, um, this helps

[2:27:16] to ensure that we don't miss out on Parkland, especially

[2:27:19] in areas where the need is the greatest. Uh, we

[2:27:22] need, we now know that the community places a high

[2:27:25] value on parks and open spaces, which are essential to

[2:27:30] community wellbeing, biodiversity and climate resilience. So there will be

[2:27:33] more information released to the public tomorrow, uh, through, through

[2:27:37] a press release. It'll talk about, it'll give more details

[2:27:39] about the purchase information, more details about Kyle Centre redevelopment,

[2:27:44] um, and the Guiding Strategy documents that have led to

[2:27:47] this strategic decision of Council. But I wanted to provide

[2:27:50] that to members of the public tonight. Madam Ms City

[2:27:56] Manager, Madam Mathewson. Ms. Mathewson, do you have anything for

[2:28:01] us? I think you do not. All right. Um, then

[2:28:05] that will, that will give us to, um, adjournment. The

[2:28:09] meeting is adjourned. Thank you everybody.

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