[8:14] before you get out of here.

[8:20] » Sorry, I didn't mean to startle you. All right, we're going to go ahead and call

[8:24] this meeting to order. Um, I have asked the wonderful councilwoman Bradshaw to

[8:31] give us give us our prayer and pledge. Please stand.

[8:37] » Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we come before you today and we just thank you

[8:41] for your goodness. We thank you for your grace. We thank you for um all that you

[8:45] give us and all the blessings that we have and and where we live and um and

[8:50] this ability to be able to meet here peacefully tonight. And so God, we just

[8:53] pray over this agenda. We ask that you give us wisdom as we discuss all of

[8:57] these things that we have before us today. And God, that you just continue

[9:01] to to bless each of us in this room and um to continue to um be with this

[9:06] community because we know that you're for prayer as just as well as you are

[9:09] for each of us. It's in your name we pray. Amen.

[9:13] » Attention, salute, pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United

[9:19] States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under

[9:26] God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[9:34] » Thank you. If we could uh please have roll call.

[9:40] » Lamar >> here.

[9:41] » Shire here. >> Bradshaw here. Rashers

[9:45] » here. Brown >> here.

[9:47] » Traml >> here.

[9:48] » Brown >> here.

[9:50] » Smith >> here. Okay.

[9:53] » Um, I have one petition from the audience and that is Miss Charlene

[9:57] Kendrick. >> Did you?

[10:03] » That's perfectly fine. >> Split our five minutes.

[10:08] » That's all right. >> Okay. Thank you for giving us this time.

[10:11] My name is Barbara Drum and I'm representing the Prior Creek Sertoma

[10:15] Club and we are sponsoring the 76th anniversary

[10:20] of the Certoma Miss Maize County Scholarship Pageant will be held

[10:27] Saturday, March 7th at 6 PM at the Ara Performing Arts Center. The pageant this

[10:35] year will award over $5,000 in scholarships to help the contestants

[10:41] pursue their educational goals. Tickets are available at eventbrite.com.

[10:47] We want to invite all of you to attend. Bring a friend and help us in

[10:52] celebrating these girls and s supporting the work that Sirtoma does for seniors

[10:57] in the Maize County area. And now I'll turn this over to Richard, our

[11:02] president. Thank you. >> Hey, some of you know me. I'm Richard,

[11:07] » president of the STOMA Club and the senior citizen. This is my second

[11:12] goound. We do a lot of things that you don't know about. We have free

[11:16] transportation. We have a van that runs every day taking people all over town

[11:21] free. We serve free meals. We have healthc care. We have bingo. We have all

[11:27] this stuff going on. And our mission was and it still is

[11:32] the seniors and the city of prayer. We couldn't make it without city of prior.

[11:37] We I thank you personally for each one of you because so over the years you

[11:41] have supported us backed us give us things when we needed it and it's just

[11:46] been a real blessing to us through this. So we are going on with this our

[11:51] mission. This is the 76th year for this passion. Each one of you need to be

[11:57] there and have a get a ticket. You better get there early because they're

[12:00] selling out. I couldn't get the pulse. Somebody bought them all [laughter]

[12:05] the papers. I mean, it's really getting really getting excited. The city of

[12:09] Prior is getting excited about what's going on in Prior. It's time. Tires.

[12:15] Prior's been a secret for too many years.

[12:17] » I moved here in 70, started a business in 70. So, I've been here for I've seen

[12:23] it way before Google even thought about this place. But anyway, we thank you and

[12:30] we thank them the pulse. They put something on the front page. It has

[12:35] never happened that I know of. It's awesome. It's was wonderful. I can

[12:39] see the excitement going on. Anyway, I don't have any more to talk with. Thank

[12:43] you. >> Thank you.

[12:44] » Thank you. You >> Thank you.

[12:51] We appreciate that.

[12:59] » All right, we're going to [sighs] move on to the consent agenda. Um,

[13:05] » we are going to kind of jump around a little bit. I'm going to request any

[13:09] items that need to be pulled. I'm gonna pull E, obviously.

[13:16] Okay. Okay. If there's none other, then we will get a motion to approve A

[13:20] through I with the exception of E. >> Motion.

[13:24] » Second. >> Okay. Call for vote.

[13:31] » Lamar, >> yes.

[13:32] » Shopire, >> yes.

[13:34] » Bradshaw, >> yes.

[13:35] » Shears, >> yes.

[13:37] » Tyler, >> yes.

[13:39] » Traml, >> yes.

[13:40] » Steve, >> yes.

[13:41] » Smith, >> yes. Okay. Um, MUB is wrapping up their

[13:46] their meeting right now and Jared had asked to come up for item E. So, we'll

[13:50] give them a few minutes. We'll jump down to the mayor's report.

[13:55] [clears throat] Item A, discussion and possible action

[13:58] to accept a bid in the amount of 312,336 from Yamaha Golf Cart Company for the

[14:04] purchase of 60 new golf carts, three utility carts at the prior uh Creek Golf

[14:08] Course in the best interest of the city. One other bid was received from Clear

[14:12] Creek Golf Car and Utility Vehicles in the amount of 237345.

[14:17] » Motion. >> Motion from Choya.

[14:21] » Second. >> Second from uh for Shears.

[14:25] Discussion. [clears throat]

[14:27] » Did they say why they wanted the Yamaha over Clear Creek?

[14:35] » Um we've got Dennis here. So, we're gonna we're gonna

[14:40] » And also one other thing, uh, is it what's the account number that would be

[14:45] associated with this purchase? >> That was 41451.

[14:50] » 41541. >> Yes.

[14:54] » Those memorized. >> Just deal with the one.

[14:59] » What was that again? >> Yes, we do. [laughter]

[15:03] Well, the first clarification on it all is none of this is coming from tax

[15:08] dollars. Correct. >> Correct. The golf course, where does the

[15:11] golf course get its income? >> Sorry,

[15:13] » it's revenue. The golf course gets its revenue from what?

[15:15] » It's income. Yeah, we generate our own income and and we pay all of our

[15:19] expenses out of our revenue. We generate and we do all our capital expenditures

[15:24] out of that. >> All right. Well, I just had a lot of

[15:25] questions about it. So, >> yeah,

[15:27] » I just wanted to make that. >> Sure. Absolutely. [snorts]

[15:30] But go ahead with the the bid the bids the difference between the two.

[15:34] » So uh the golf course has been very successful

[15:39] with what we've been doing out there. But uh the difference in the bids is

[15:44] club car bid their cart. Yamaha bid their topofthe line cart which is a

[15:51] quiet tech cart. So that's what we have right now.

[15:56] And when we went from electric to gas, you know, the board wanted a quiet cart.

[16:02] They didn't want a loud cart out there. So, because, you know, you got bunch of

[16:06] carts. So, that's why we went with the uh Yamaha the last time. So, uh,

[16:15] [snorts] we we we speced

[16:20] to I guess the engineer, he kind of changed the specs the way he wanted to,

[16:25] which Yamaha could have bid a less quality cart, didn't have the quiet

[16:31] technology on it, but they didn't do that because that's not what we our

[16:35] interest was at the time. So, the park board, they're the ones that made the

[16:41] decision. And I told them, it's totally up to them. It doesn't matter to me

[16:44] either way. I want to have new [snorts] carts. I need carts. I've got a lot of

[16:47] tournaments coming up. And every tournament, I think I got two to three

[16:50] in March and it's probably going to 60 carts versus 50 is going to generate

[16:54] another thousand dollars a day. So, it can, you know, it's going to really

[16:59] increase. I know uh [clears throat] and and Bernie's here with Club Car. He

[17:04] can probably answer any Club Cars. From my studies, Yamaha is about 25% more

[17:10] fuel efficient. So, that's a quite

[17:15] » we be trading in any of these. >> Yes, we're trading in all of ours.

[17:19] » Our 50 carts would get traded in. >> So, does that take anything off the bid

[17:24] amount for 135,000? >> Yeah.

[17:28] » And that was interesting. Both >> Club Car and Yamaha had come up with the

[17:33] same freight in price for our carts. So what would the fi So the final amount

[17:39] would be under 200 but what about the amount from clear creek

[17:42] » that is the final >> clear creek is 237

[17:45] » this amount has the >> the original was 447 for

[17:50] » 37 yeah >> so what's the difference in decibels

[17:58] [clears throat] >> the noise difference

[18:00] you know uh I think it's about from 60 to 70 which is what they say has being

[18:05] in kind of a quiet room to being in a very loud room.

[18:08] » To be real honest with you, I'm not trying to be anyway right here, but

[18:12] » I've got a decibel meter running right here and us talking in here is bumping

[18:16] 70, >> right?

[18:17] » So, it couldn't be terribly loud. It's not like running a chainsaw or

[18:22] something. >> No, but problem is what it is.

[18:25] » Two or three carts in a group. And like I said, the park board, they're the ones

[18:30] that made this decision. And uh we I did have club car. They were nice enough to

[18:36] bring a card out in in Yamaha and you could hop in them and see the

[18:39] difference. And >> several of the park board members did.

[18:43] » So I've got a few questions.

[18:47] » Um [clears throat]

[18:51] why weren't was not as the department head? Why is the bid packet and specs

[18:58] not in our packet to study for this consideration tonight? Several other

[19:03] department heads when they make big purchases in our packet, we always have

[19:08] the information about that in detail. Why was we not included in this this

[19:12] time? >> I think that's been put out in the past

[19:14] and it just wasn't included this time. So, okay, it's all been on Jay's desk or

[19:18] [clears throat] all of those >> have been and always will be. So, okay.

[19:23] uh [clears throat]

[19:26] other than what is your real justification? Well, let me ask this.

[19:31] What's the pros and cons? And then what is your justification of why should we

[19:36] should go with something that's 75 approximately $75,000 higher?

[19:40] » The uh it's it's a park board made decision, not me. So the I would think

[19:46] » but for the better the best interest of the city

[19:49] » right >> government the city

[19:53] » right I understand >> government what's what's why the Yamaha

[19:56] over that what's the >> I also don't think it's fair for you to

[19:58] put this on the park board I think that I remember watching the meetings where

[20:01] you were advocating one for the Yamaha strong the other so I don't think it's

[20:04] fair to put it on the backs of the parkboard

[20:06] » they're trying to use your recommendation but

[20:08] » right I'm going to explain it y >> so

[20:12] we have the Yamaha quiet tech. Now, like I said, we went with the quiet tech. We

[20:17] could have went with the less expensive Yamaha cart long time ago. We went to

[20:21] quiet tech because we wanted the quiet noise out there, and it's a noticeable

[20:25] difference. Uh that's why we brought the carts up here for everybody to try out.

[20:29] And uh so I think I emailed everybody, got an email to try it. So that that's a

[20:34] big difference. [clears throat] Uh Yamaha does get 25% more better fuel

[20:40] economy. We did a test on it. uh not the recent test, but the last time we did a

[20:46] test and it was a noticeable amount. And I called a guy today in Arkansas and he

[20:52] says for him it's a huge savings of fuel efficiency. He's had both. I haven't had

[20:56] I haven't had the club car. So, uh I have drove them before, but I have never

[21:02] had one that we that we managed a fleet of. So,

[21:07] » club cars are also aluminum framed, right?

[21:09] » Yeah, club cars are aluminum framed. They're a little bit lighter. He can

[21:12] tell you more about the club car than I can, but uh you know,

[21:19] far as I know, the benefit, you know, we trade our cars off every five years or

[21:23] so anyway. So, we've never had a frame issue where it was easy to go or Yamaha.

[21:28] You know, we don't keep them long enough. Now, if you as a homeowner, you

[21:32] want to keep one for 20 years, I think it's probably a huge benefit to have

[21:36] aluminum frame, especially if you have batteries with [cough]

[21:40] and [clears throat] everything. But now they even have the uh the other

[21:44] batteries so you don't have to deal with the acid problems.

[21:46] » Who which one has the higher resale value?

[21:50] » Well, if again you're not comparing apples to apples, but the the the Yamaha

[21:56] Quiet Tech from when it's really hard to go online

[22:01] and find, hey, compare this apple to that apple. And but I talked to a guy

[22:07] today. says Yamaha's about $1,000 more if it's a quiet tech. I don't know. It's

[22:12] really hard to It's hard to say. >> Well, I watched the park board meeting

[22:16] and I thought there was disc I could I'm pretty positive there was some

[22:20] discussion that that uh it was ma mentioned I thought by you but maybe one

[22:25] of the park board members that the club car had a higher resale value.

[22:28] » I haven't seen that myself. >> I believe the mayor spoke about that

[22:32] meetings. >> You do a if you do a Google search and

[22:35] you put in the two models. >> All right. Jim and I will tell you that.

[22:37] » And was the park board how many how many members was president of the park board

[22:41] meeting? >> I think just four

[22:43] » and not the whole group, >> right?

[22:45] » Why did they not want to put this off until the majority or everybody was

[22:49] there? >> We're running out of time. I've got a

[22:52] lot of events coming up and you know that's that's a big thing. We started

[22:56] this back in I think June. >> Was it was it unanimous?

[23:01] » Uh no. I think uh we had one no vote and three yeses. Mhm.

[23:06] » Okay. >> Mr. Bowman, my observation this whole

[23:11] thing is for $70,000 you can give everybody a set of earplugs

[23:16] » and a lot of cash. >> Yeah. [laughter]

[23:19] Yeah. >> That's

[23:22] » I think it's foolish to waste $70,000 just because of brand name.

[23:26] » Well, it's noise. I mean, how bad is noise on a golf course you're out in the

[23:30] country, >> right?

[23:32] » You're really worried about noise, you got electric ones anyway.

[23:35] Yeah, the uh and it's not $70,000. You have to take in the the 25% fuel

[23:42] savings, which is my calculations over the five years would be about 28 to

[23:48] $30,000 of fuel savings. >> Well, I think if I read right, 80% of

[23:53] the golf carts in Oklahoma are electric. >> Yeah. So, if you want to save money and

[23:59] be quiet, let's get electric and forget gasoline ones. But right now, we're

[24:03] talking about gasoline ones. And I think we need to have the cheaper one, not the

[24:06] more expensive one. That'd be kind of foolish.

[24:08] [snorts] >> And it, like I said, it doesn't really

[24:12] matter to me if that's the direction y'all want to go. I mean, I perfectly

[24:18] understand. And, you know, it's we we've had a good deal going. We made good

[24:22] money out there. Uh, we've had good response from our customers with what

[24:27] we've been doing with the carts and stuff. So, but we want to change.

[24:32] I'm all good with it. Well, let me ask this. Because of the [clears throat] the

[24:35] large price difference, what further projects

[24:40] could be could an extra 70 or so grand give or take?

[24:45] » Yeah, I told [clears throat] the park board, yeah, we could buy the GPS system

[24:48] for that, you know. >> Well, any other improvements, repairs,

[24:52] upgrades, the any anything on the golf course. How much what could be I know

[24:56] we've done a lot out there. >> Yeah, we have a a whole list of capital

[25:00] improvements and a priority list. So, uh,

[25:04] » it's kind of a perpetual thing. It's >> Yeah. Yeah.

[25:06] » There's always going to be >> Yeah.

[25:08] » So, you just mentioned GPS. Uh, are they are you going to purchase GPS event?

[25:13] » Yeah, we we'd like to purchase GPS uh after we figure out which carts we go

[25:18] with. >> What would that game for a golfer? You

[25:22] know, we get a lot of out of town people, so the GPS provides them a map

[25:27] of where they're going, and it shows them the yardages on the hole. Uh, you

[25:32] know, wherever you're at, it gives them the distances to the flag. Uh,

[25:37] » I'm I'm going to show my ignorance here, which is really not that hard to do, but

[25:40] I'm going to show it anyway. Uh, can you get an app on your phone to do the same

[25:44] thing? >> Yeah, on the GPS you can. Okay. The

[25:48] » biggest thing it does for us on the at in the golf pro shop to to regulate the

[25:55] carts is one when it's cart pass only. We we set up a geo fencing and you can

[26:01] keep the carts on the path. So even though you tell people it's car pass

[26:04] only and they get off and they get through the mud and they create problem

[26:08] areas. >> Okay.

[26:09] » So uh there there's a lot of control. It gives us more control knowing where the

[26:14] carts at. You know, sometimes golfers will hop from hole 13 back to four or

[26:22] something, you know, that they hop around. There's a there's a little bit

[26:25] of control there. Uh most all the area golf courses are have went to GPS

[26:32] systems. I know Claremore does, Wasau does. It it's it's really a a good

[26:38] feature. >> It does a lot more than just

[26:40] » Iso and Claremore a municipal owned golf course or private? Uh both of them are

[26:45] municipal own. Well, Claremore is like half county and half

[26:51] city and then AASO is uh municipal.

[26:57] » We don't have GPS's now, right? >> No, that's something we haven't added.

[27:01] That would be another >> around lost all the time on the golf

[27:04] course running over each other. [laughter]

[27:08] » Is that something you charge extra? >> Running over each It's something that we

[27:11] could raise our prices for because it's a it's a nicer amenity

[27:15] » to pay for the >> right.

[27:16] » Okay. >> I'll speak on behalf of the GPS's. It it

[27:19] does help keep pace of play on track. >> Um which is a huge problem. Yeah. And

[27:25] » I get it. Golf's a luxury, but when you're going out there, you don't want

[27:28] to spend five and a half, six hours playing around of golf. And being able

[27:32] to follow the people around, it it does help keep them on track for that. And it

[27:36] does keep them out of areas that you don't want them to go in because it will

[27:40] the cart will die. You have to put it in reverse. It's it's an inconvenience. You

[27:43] you learn to start playing where you're supposed to play or driving where you're

[27:46] supposed to drive. You may not play where you're supposed to, but drive

[27:48] where you're supposed to drive. >> It gives the pro shop total control of

[27:50] the carts. It'll send messages if somebody's playing too slow or if they

[27:54] break down, they can send messages to the shop. You know, it's a lot of lot of

[27:59] good communication. So, I guess my question then is, is that something if

[28:05] you go with the Yamahas, is the GPS going to have to wait then or if you get

[28:10] the um other car, would you be able to go and get it and then I mean I guess

[28:16] it's Would you be able to get this either way?

[28:18] » I I think so. That's from That's the way the park board was talking that they

[28:22] would probably want to do it either way. >> Either way.

[28:27] » I Googled the decibels. It's [clears throat] 60 and a half on the

[28:30] quiet tech for the Yamaha and it said around 90 for the club car.

[28:38] » What was that first one?

[28:42] » Mhm. >> That's what it said. I don't

[28:45] » know.

[28:48] » See, we didn't get those though.

[28:54] » On the club car. >> Okay. So they're comparable.

[28:58] » As far as the fuel consumption goes, they both get 45 miles.

[29:04] » So there's not a 25% advantage. >> And at the meeting, Dennis, you said,

[29:08] and you said it again a while ago, that you really doesn't really matter to you.

[29:11] » It does not matter. >> As long as you get some new golf carts.

[29:13] » Yes, sir. Yes. I, you know, I'm going to have new golf carts and we get 60 of

[29:18] them, we're going to be >> Who had the motion?

[29:20] » I did. Do you want to >> I'll change my motion and go with the uh

[29:24] with the club cars >> and I'll change the second.

[29:29] [snorts]

[29:31] » What's the estimated delivery? >> Oh, you're you're

[29:43] » very good. [snorts]

[29:47] » So that's 60 and three, right? I'm sorry.

[29:50] » 60 and three 60 carts and three utility carts.

[29:54] » Yes, sir. >> Okay.

[29:56] » And I have one question. We said we're not bidden apples to apples or we or

[30:01] have we're comparing apples to oranges. Typically, when we send something out

[30:05] for bid, it should be apples to apples. So, what got what is different in these

[30:09] two to say that they're not comparable? I guess

[30:13] » what's different is [clears throat]

[30:17] Yamaha bid their higherend cart which is a quiet tech. They have a a lesser cart

[30:22] that they could have bid that's doesn't have the quiet technology on it and is

[30:26] louder and so >> so basically what you're saying it's

[30:30] like bidding a Ford versus a Lincoln >> probably like

[30:34] » Yeah. >> They all got [clears throat] the same

[30:36] back. >> Okay.

[30:39] » Yeah. But the the main difference we're talking about is noise level. Is that in

[30:42] in the difference in the carts? >> I think so.

[30:44] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[30:47] For me, that's a hard sale to the citizens for even though it's capital

[30:51] money from your all's account, like it's hard to say that that 75,000 is better

[30:55] spent um [snorts]

[30:59] on here. [laughter]

[31:02] » Hey, I got a new I got enough frier stickers. We can label them up.

[31:05] » You can do that. >> Yeah. [snorts]

[31:07] » Got to get them marked. So, we have a motion change and a

[31:12] second. >> Yes.

[31:13] » Yep. >> Call for the vote. We'll call for the

[31:15] vote. Yep. >> Shire.

[31:17] » Yes. >> Yes.

[31:19] » Yes. >> Tyler,

[31:23] » yes. >> Traml,

[31:25] » yes. >> Steve,

[31:27] » yes. >> Smith,

[31:29] » yes. >> Lamar,

[31:30] » yes. >> Okay. 60 golf carts. Some golf carts.

[31:34] » Awesome. Thank you. Item B,

[31:39] discussion and possible action to accept a lease purchase quote for 60 new golf

[31:44] carts and three utility carts for a 48-month term. Quotes received Bank of

[31:48] Commerce at a rate of 3.98% and RCB at a rate of 4.48%.

[31:56] Do >> you have a motion?

[31:57] » I'll make it. I >> have a motion from Troy and a second

[32:00] from Charles. Discussion.

[32:04] » Yes, I have a question. Yes, [snorts] >> these interest rates and the number of

[32:10] the institutions that bid is completely different than what was approved at a

[32:18] part board meeting a couple of months ago. What what's why the change in why

[32:23] is bank left off and why have they changed? Because one is now the lower

[32:27] bidder, >> right,

[32:28] » that wasn't before. So we had to go back out for different rates because those

[32:32] numbers had changed from the last time with the duration

[32:34] » and their bids had expired. >> Okay, I understand that and I know

[32:39] fluctuation but I just for clarification,

[32:41] » right? >> It was different than what the part

[32:43] board had >> think I can't remember which ones it

[32:45] was. So one of them had 30 days, one had 60 days but they it was already past all

[32:49] that time >> and they were only like a couple

[32:51] hundreds of percent off of each other too. So right

[32:54] » that's a thank you. Further discussion.

[32:59] » Right. Call for the vote. >> Yes. Shears.

[33:04] » Yes. >> Tyler.

[33:09] » What is the motion? What are we approving

[33:10] » as written? Which which one? >> The Bank of Commerce.

[33:15] » Okay. Thank you. That's what I was. >> Yes.

[33:20] » Traml. >> Yes.

[33:21] » Steve. >> Abstain.

[33:23] » Smith. >> Yes. Lamar,

[33:26] » yes. >> Shopire,

[33:28] » yes. Thank you. Is Jared out there in the

[33:33] hallway? Okay. Item C, discussion and possible action to terminate a contract

[33:38] with time clocks plus also known as TCP. Term ending March 31st, 2026. Written

[33:45] notice required by contract 30 days prior to renewal.

[33:48] » Can before we make a motion, can I just ask clarification? Why are we waiting on

[33:53] mob representatives to discuss something that they only build for?

[33:58] » Because [snorts] they asked to be a part of that and we're waiting on them to

[34:01] wrap up their meeting. >> So

[34:05] they just >> But why?

[34:08] » Because they asked to be a part of the discussion.

[34:14] » Do I have a motion for item C? >> Motion.

[34:17] » Have a motion from Steve Brown. Second. Second [snorts] from Kenneth Brashier.

[34:23] I'm going to hand this one over to Hannah to explain. She's done a lot of

[34:28] work on this. >> Well, we're pretty excited that it's

[34:32] another >> Excuse me.

[34:34] » Thank you. >> It's another uh piece to the puzzle for

[34:39] our payroll. Currently, we have TCP and we have to do

[34:45] a lot of stuff to try to get the time over into payloity.

[34:50] Um this module will give us let me let me go [clears throat] back.

[34:58] Our uh contract is just about to renew March 31st. We've got to tell them

[35:05] within 30 days if we're not going to go with them or or we've

[35:10] messed up. So in doing so we had already been talking with Ploity and so the

[35:15] timing works out. pays time and labor module. It works seamlessly from there

[35:22] to our payroll. I visited with um all of the department heads and I talked to

[35:28] them about what it would cost to do time clocks with Payloity and then the other

[35:32] options of how to clock in. So, you use their software. You clock in with a

[35:38] tablet, a laptop or your phone app. It's geoenced. So, the police love that they

[35:47] can geo fence it and get going. Even the golf course uses that type of stuff. I

[35:52] went through and talked to all of them and they were all on board because it

[35:55] does actually save their departments cash and that's what I was worried about

[36:00] was causing them to have any more troubles with their cash flow. Um,

[36:05] secondly, it will make payroll uh just work better and it's all going

[36:11] to go across. So if you guys decide so it's going to save

[36:16] us some time and it's going to save money because TCP is about 15,000

[36:24] annually and this is going to run just under 10

[36:28] » and it will integrate with the pay lossy stuff we already have.

[36:31] » Yeah adjustments >> the time adjustment.

[36:34] » So when an employee misses or when they didn't clock in or out on time,

[36:38] » it'll still be a lot like what we're doing now. We have a system that we make

[36:43] sure they're taken care of. >> Is it

[36:45] » and the department heads make sure and watch it.

[36:47] » Is it going to require a bunch of training for the employees to

[36:51] » It'll be a little bit, but it's a lot like what TCP is, so it won't be too

[36:57] tough on them. We've already told them that we'd go to the departments and give

[37:01] them runthroughs and get together >> and it will fit with um

[37:08] PD's pretty standard schedule now, but if they had a 12-hour schedule or like

[37:11] the fire department's 24-hour schedule, it'll it'll go in with all of that.

[37:14] » Yes, we're going to put it after the uh collective bargaining agreements are

[37:18] complete. We upload those agreements and then the time is set off of those

[37:24] agreements. So that's why we'd like you guys to be really set on what you decide

[37:30] on so it's not so unique. >> Okay.

[37:34] » So this is going to be better and cheaper, right?

[37:36] » Yeah. >> That's what we're after. That's not like

[37:38] a winner. >> We did bring it up in our department

[37:41] head meeting this week and I'm >> I'm going to tell you every department

[37:45] head was 100% behind it except for Carrie, but her her representation was

[37:50] here and [laughter]

[37:55] just for clarification sake. But I think it'll be a better system to integrate

[37:58] with what we've what we've invested in over the last year. And so

[38:01] » no earplugs required. >> Carrie, why did you boycott that

[38:04] particular meter? [laughter]

[38:10] » You're good. >> Zoom.

[38:12] » So all right. Is there any further discussion on that? If not, we'll call

[38:16] for the vote. >> Bruce,

[38:18] » yes. >> Tyler,

[38:20] » yes. >> Chaml,

[38:22] » yes. Steve, >> yes.

[38:24] » Smith, >> yes.

[38:25] » Lamar, >> yes.

[38:26] » Shopire, >> yes.

[38:27] » Bradshaw, >> yes.

[38:29] » Thank you. >> Discussion and possible action to hire

[38:34] Jackson Palma Branchstead. >> What about D?

[38:37] » Oh, I'm sorry. I circled D and I went right on past it. I apologize. All

[38:41] right. Discussion of possible action to purchase time and labor software from

[38:44] Payloity not to exceed 10,000 to be paid from general software account 022015260

[38:51] to replace time clocks plus TCP. >> Motion.

[38:55] » We have a motion from uh Kenneth and a second from Steve

[38:59] Brown. Discussion. This is the software that goes with uh

[39:04] the previous item. When I know that our contract on the last one ends March 31,

[39:08] but when do are we looking at implementing this?

[39:11] » I I have a call with payity if you guys approved it tomorrow to get started.

[39:17] » Okay. >> So, it's probably going to be pretty

[39:19] quick. >> Okay.

[39:23] » Let me go ahead and call for the vote. >> Brashers,

[39:26] » yes. >> Tyler,

[39:28] » yes. >> Traml,

[39:29] » yes. >> Steve,

[39:30] » yes. >> Smith,

[39:32] » yes. >> Lamar,

[39:33] » yes. Shopire, >> yes.

[39:35] » Bradshaw, >> yes.

[39:36] » Okay. Sorry about that, guys. All right. Now, item E, discussion and possible

[39:41] action to hire Jackson Palma Branchstead as B operator at the street department

[39:46] range C step one to fill a vacancy created by the termination of Justin

[39:50] Wallace. >> Motion.

[39:51] » Second. >> We have a motion from Joya and a second

[39:53] from Bradshaw. Discussion. >> Okay, we'll call for the vote.

[40:00] » Tyler, >> yes. Traml,

[40:03] » yes. >> Steve,

[40:04] » yes. >> Smith,

[40:05] » yes. >> Lamar,

[40:07] » yes. >> Shire,

[40:08] » yep. >> Bradshaw,

[40:09] » yes. >> Rashers,

[40:11] » yes. >> Okay. Um, we're going to go back up to

[40:14] item E and proceed of the consent agenda. Discussion and

[40:18] possible action on approval of a 3% rate increase from prior waste and recycling

[40:23] LLC for all refues pickup beginning March 1st, 2026, consistent with the

[40:28] mutual agreement of October 2007. Motion to discuss but no action.

[40:33] » Second. >> I have a motion to discuss with no

[40:36] action. Bruce, are you >> second

[40:38] » as he said it? >> Okay.

[40:43] » I have uh invited Dinsmore with Western Recycling and

[40:49] former mayor Traml to come up and give us some background on this contract.

[41:01] You guys will come on up here. Um I'm sure there'll be some questions.

[41:06] » Um just give us the background on how this contract came, what it is, and why

[41:10] it is the way it is. Please,

[41:14] » you want to start? I'm longwinded. [laughter]

[41:21] » Well, I don't really know where to begin. Um,

[41:27] you know, we've kind of, uh,

[41:32] you know, there's rising cost in everything we do. I mean,

[41:36] last year we didn't ask for raise and then in June we got bit with a 10%

[41:43] increase in disposal and usually every summer we're going to

[41:48] get hit sometime with an increase. There's only three locations to go with

[41:53] trash and we uh we use semi trucks to truck it. Uh we do that for several

[41:59] reasons. We try to operate it's our tent to operate as efficient as we possibly

[42:06] can and that take and one of the reasons why [snorts] whenever I got involved

[42:13] thanks to this guy.

[42:16] I had been with international trucks for over 30 years and then I went to

[42:22] Freightlininer become a vocational marketing major for Oklahoma. My forte

[42:28] was work trucks. Jardia, whether it's Gardier, the city of Prior, the city of

[42:33] Tulsa, so forth, so on, every it was work trucks. And so the refuge industry

[42:41] had changed to the point that it wasn't so much about the pickup, it was about

[42:47] the transport. And why? What my when I sit down, I figure how much it costs to

[42:54] transport a ton of trash a mile. Unfortunately,

[42:59] where we have we used to go to the burn plant and uh that was our source of

[43:05] recycling and we did it for many years and they took and burned the trash to

[43:11] generate steam and create electricity. the burn plant become old, had a lot of

[43:19] issues, boilers and so [clears throat] and so on. They really catered to the

[43:24] city of Tulsa and they just kind of slowly pushed us out. Uh we go now to

[43:31] 171st Street West and we dispose there. That is one of the best locations in

[43:38] Oklahoma. Uh they pull methane gas out uh run generators, power about 80 80,000

[43:45] homes. Uh they're environmentally as far as DEQ's concerned, they love them

[43:52] because they have a great landfield. One of the things that that I have

[43:58] uh being on the council myself and chairing the sanitation department and

[44:04] also the street department and whatever else Lucy get me on.

[44:10] [clears throat] One of the things that we made sure of is that the city per EPA

[44:18] and DEEQ is responsible for the trash from Cradle Gray. Not one year, not 10

[44:25] years, not a 100 years, forever. So if there's an environmental issue, they can

[44:31] come back on city of Prior. It's my responsibility to make sure that that's

[44:36] legal. If you ask me where city of prior trash went,

[44:44] let's say June the 20th, 2011.

[44:49] I can pull documents and show you where that trash went. So, we make sure that

[44:53] we uh are very efficient and we make sure that we dispose legally and

[45:01] properly. Another thing is the transfer station. And I want to tell you guys

[45:06] something. I bit off a there was many times I bit off more than I could chew.

[45:11] That man right there knows how difficult trash business can be. And there was

[45:16] days that we we started that transfer station.

[45:20] [clears throat] I'm about I'm I'm dry. I'm I'm chewing too much gum. [laughter]

[45:25] When I took when I started the trash business,

[45:29] there was a a lot of issues with uh having trash picked up. Uh, I

[45:37] tried to help for two years. The transfer station was not completed and

[45:43] we to when we took over, I had to buy new equipment.

[45:47] And what happened and I'm I'm going to go ahead and use a little be your

[45:52] thunder. >> I could care less.

[45:54] » What what happened was when this gentleman kept calling me and he said,

[45:59] "We are getting bombarded with complaints." Bombarded. I've got letters

[46:05] from Terry Hill, which everybody knows Terry. She wrote a letter and she said,

[46:10] "We were just the the utility office was just spent tremendous amount of time

[46:16] with all these complaints." And Jimmy kept after me. He wanted me to retire

[46:21] and wanted to start a sanitation department. And I said, "Jimmy, you

[46:25] can't do that." I said, "Transporting trash and running trucks and hiring

[46:29] drivers and so forth and so on." I said that's not the city's expertise.

[46:35] So, do I have five minutes? >> No, you're good.

[46:39] » Okay. [laughter] >> I was hoping you were hoping.

[46:42] » Yeah. But anyway, so what happened was was

[46:48] that I went to Ken Prather, the CPA at the time, and prior been here for years,

[46:54] and I asked Ken to sit down and work with me with the budget. And we sat down

[46:58] and it whenever Bruce whenever Prior decide to contract out the rate was $757

[47:07] for twice a week pickup. Whenever I took over it was $10.50.

[47:14] Jimmy had done some research, found a large company that was willing

[47:19] to come in here in all the trash for $16 a house. He called me. He said,

[47:26] "Dinsmore, I raise these people from $1050 to $16,

[47:31] they'll hang me." And one thing led to another. And I said, "Jimmy, I don't

[47:36] have the financing capability of buying all new trucks."

[47:42] First priority, Gary Shaml, and along with Terry and and Andy Richards, we put

[47:49] together a a way of being able to borrow the money

[47:56] Uh matter of fact, I paid off that loan three years ago. That transfer station

[48:01] was expensive. And let me tell you about the transfer station.

[48:07] Lucy Bell Schultz is one of one of the transfer station. And she w they had the

[48:12] dog pound road area and it was receiving tremendous amount of complaints from DEQ

[48:19] to DEQ. [snorts] We shut we shut that down and Jim Hines

[48:25] built that transfer station. We had he had other areas that he was

[48:30] trying to locate in. But the problem is whenever you put in a landfill or

[48:36] transfer station, you have to hold up a public hearing.

[48:41] And every time he found a location, people didn't want it in their backyard.

[48:47] And so what happened was the old landfield

[48:51] was the only place that was did not have a house within that mile. So whenever

[48:57] the the notice went out and we had a public hearing, nobody attended because

[49:03] nobody qualified to be within that area. The uh

[49:10] landfill is a difficult place to build on and

[49:14] there's only two things you can do with the landfill. You can graze cattle on it

[49:19] or you can build a transfer station. You can't build a business. You can't even

[49:22] bail the hay. And so what happened is we bu he built on the transfer station, but

[49:29] that thing is constantly sinking, settling, and so he had to drive H beams

[49:37] all the way down to the bedrock. And that transfer station is suspended,

[49:41] tremendously expensive. And we are we maintained that whole area and we

[49:48] cleaned it up, pulled all the the thorn trees out.

[49:52] » Yes. And this and Randy Drake sprayed this for the sickle I mean thistle

[49:57] because thistle you've got to control it. It's a requirement by the

[50:01] agriculture department and we cleaned it up and we still are filling in holes for

[50:06] where we can mow it. uh a lot of concrete, pipe and everything. And so

[50:12] the landfill has been a nightmare to manage, but we do it. And basically what

[50:19] we have had an agreement with uh for a long time. The activity the the things

[50:25] that the city sponsors and has we charge nothing for. If the cemetery comes out

[50:30] with a load of flowers and needs to throw them away, there's no charge. We

[50:35] pick up the trash on Main Street on Saturday mornings at four o'clock. We

[50:42] And uh Zach has called me several times. We

[50:46] we we bring Lur loss for Main Street prior. Uh we've done a lot to help in a

[50:53] lot of ways, but when it comes to city operation, even m we don't charge

[50:57] anything for that. But anyway, I could go on. Uh it's it's been a it's been a

[51:03] challenge and uh the 3% uh you know through the years uh it' be eight it'll

[51:11] be 18 years come April the 8th of this year and uh we've climbed a lot of

[51:17] mountains and we have a we feel like we have great service. Uh what we did was

[51:23] that uh my office manager today ran a cost analysis of our surrounding towns

[51:31] that have a close population and kind of shows you what

[51:38] and I'll I'll turn this a little bit more in detail.

[51:42] » Thank you.

[51:50] » Thank you sir. Thanks.

[52:04] » Thank you.

[52:10] » We've been through this before, >> haven't we?

[52:13] » Yeah. Thank you very much. >> Yes, we have.

[52:20] I'm sorry. >> That's okay.

[52:23] » Thank you. >> What that what that explains

[52:28] prior is extremely unique. Twice a week pick up is almost totally

[52:35] unheard of. Per contract [snorts] explains exactly how many

[52:41] gallons can be set out. And they're allowed what it boils down

[52:46] to. They allow four 32gallon containers and they can include two bags of leaves,

[52:55] vegetation, flowers, clean out a garden to painted plants or whatever. And then

[53:01] you also can have a bundle of sticks that's 4 foot long and tight. And that's

[53:07] what we that's per contract since 1989. That's what we pick up. Now, to say

[53:14] we're perfect, no. You know, we we don't do everything uh

[53:21] perfectly. But that's that that shows you what the the trash

[53:29] that is available with what people can set out within the city limits. That's

[53:35] what the cost is per gallon.

[53:42] And uh >> well I can tell you one thing at

[53:44] Christmas time when we had family in and stuff like that and we had a whole bunch

[53:49] more than what here. >> Mhm.

[53:51] » There never was a word said. You just picked it up and that was it.

[53:54] » Yeah. There you >> open it for you. You want me open it for

[53:58] you? >> What's that?

[53:59] » Oh, thank you. >> I looked at that. I thought maybe you

[54:03] drank out of it and I didn't want to [laughter]

[54:10] » for clarification. I well I'm still giving history take over from here.

[54:15] » Okay. >> I just pretty much wanted to

[54:18] you know I I I'll start that once this thing started and I council was here.

[54:25] [snorts] We were at Jim Hind sanitation. He had trucks was dumping trash out on

[54:32] Dog Pound Road out there. That spot out there by there's a cemetery out there

[54:35] cemetery out there. Mhm. >> We'll all remember that he was dumping

[54:39] trash on the ground, >> not hauling it off,

[54:44] » okay? It was a bad deal. His trucks wouldn't run. He couldn't get them

[54:47] running. And so we started looking because the complaints were just

[54:51] unbelievable. We started looking and about places to go. DEEQ was on our

[54:58] tail. Oklahoma Water Resources were on our tail. That was a floodway, which

[55:02] they're putting water floodway out there. Okay. So, and So that's one

[55:06] that's one of the things we started looking at. So we performed we we got a

[55:10] group of guys one of them Roy Ray to go out and look at different proposals. I

[55:15] wanted to bring it in house. I wanted to bring it in house. I said

[55:19] let's bring it in house. So we brought Bill sold trucks. So we got price of

[55:23] trucks. We went to and I think it was Clammore at that time and so we want to

[55:26] see what it cost. Clammore said don't. Clamore said do not do in-house because

[55:30] it'll cost you a fortune and maintenance. The other thing was I

[55:34] wasn't aware of later on. You have greenhouse gases and I can't put that

[55:38] with terminology. >> Yes.

[55:40] » Going to and from so that was one of the things that we did when we did we looked

[55:45] at this thing. We took a overall look at it and we got when $16 like Bill said I

[55:52] think 16 or 17 I could be wrong was the price back and I want to say I thought

[55:56] it was about 20 I don't when what year was 20 some was a price that we got we

[56:00] got estimated 2007 or we got estimated for pick up trash in town and so we

[56:08] started looking at this thing and so at that point in time we had the uh we had

[56:14] the the like you said Lucy Bill was had looked at Jim Hines and so Jim Hines

[56:19] said I can build a I can build a transfer station. Well, he started the

[56:23] transfer station out there. When he started the transfer station out there,

[56:26] Jim Jim was a good guy. He had no money. When he built the transfer station, I

[56:32] and I'm not smart enough to know this, but but he built a building and then

[56:36] when you squeeze that thing, squeeze the water out of it. Well, and so when you

[56:40] squeeze the water out of it, the water was going under the ground. Well, we got

[56:42] in trouble. Okay, we got in trouble back then because we had no place for that

[56:47] water to go because we wanted to. I wanted to and so did Bill. We wanted to

[56:52] put it in our sewage treatment facility. Well, you know what that causes? Gary

[56:56] was smart enough to know that's going to cause influx in your sewage treatment

[56:59] facility. So, we we stepped back a little bit. So, we went back and started

[57:04] looking at this thing over. So, it and when we did that thing, I went to Bill.

[57:10] We sit right there said Bill but let's see what it takes to get this thing

[57:13] right because we wanted to do it have one shot to do it right and one shot on.

[57:18] And so when we did Bill we Bill we started

[57:23] looking at Bill said I can he went to like you said he went to the bank. Bill

[57:26] Bill said I can build a transfer station. I can squeeze it. And at that

[57:32] point in time he started squeezing. We started taking the stuff over to a a

[57:37] trash energy plant over in Tulsa before they had to shut down stuff and that was

[57:41] that was our recycling portion of recycle bank. But that since closed or

[57:44] got too high. So that was what we did. But we also Bill had so we got Bill had

[57:49] when I prior waste and recycling. They also had to take the separate the sewage

[57:55] [snorts] the bathrooms and the water out go to the sewer over there and put this

[58:02] other stuff in a tank out there to draw the water out of it. So it before you

[58:06] put it in the creek. So it had to be clean. So that was part of the bid

[58:09] process out there with this transfer station. The other thing about the

[58:12] transfer station out there was was the thing out holes were sunk and all kinds.

[58:17] If you never was out there when you was a kid, I can remember going out there

[58:20] when I was a kid running around. And so that's what we So when we looked at this

[58:24] thing, looked at this thing as really as a whole, we looked at it and said, "Hey,

[58:29] what are we going to have to do to help him?" Because he couldn't go get he

[58:34] couldn't go get the money from the bank to borrow that was going to take to fix

[58:38] this thing. Okay. Okay. So, we had So, what we did back then, we get we we got

[58:43] together and said, "Let's do a contract." Roy Ray was part of this

[58:46] contract. If you don't remember Roy Ray, okay, Roy Ray was part of this contract.

[58:49] And I my memory serves me correct. Bill doesn't know some of this stuff. Was

[58:52] that we had a uh had we we had uh a three-year we had three-ear contrial

[59:05] for 15 years. Okay. It's what we had with this escalation clause in it for

[59:10] the simple reason that was the only way and the city had to allow bill or

[59:16] privation recycling to fix that was mandatory to fix that transfer station

[59:20] up. So that was the only way he could go borrow the money. And I won't say which

[59:24] the the uh accountant down here in town. Everybody knows him. He's there was one

[59:28] of the great accountants in town. And we had another banker in town. And that's

[59:32] what that's how we we partnered with these people to make this thing happen.

[59:37] And so when we partnered with it, he he bid off he bid it off. So he come to the

[59:42] council one night and uh we we went out we went out for we went out for bid.

[59:47] Okay? Okay. And I can tell you right now, when we went out, when we went out

[59:50] for bid with this stuff right here, I'll tell you, and I probably shouldn't say

[59:52] this. I'm sitting right there as mayor and Dennis Nichols was in the back and I

[59:58] was offered a bribe to take contract. I told Chief Nichols, I guarantee you I I

[1:00:05] puckered up like you can't believe because I didn't want anybody put any

[1:00:08] money in my blue pickup because contract was that that what we wanted and what we

[1:00:12] decided to do was we wanted to take a chance. We knew that we could recycle

[1:00:17] and put it in town. Okay. So, we wanted to take a chance. So, we we took a

[1:00:20] chance on prior waste and recycling doing what he said he could do. That Roy

[1:00:24] Ray said he was a prior boy and I know his dad and and his grandpa, you know,

[1:00:28] had a plumbing business. They're honest. So, that's why we went with this with

[1:00:31] system. Now, the other side of this equation is is that about that time once

[1:00:36] we started all this stuff, we got lucky. I got lucky as mayor. I got lucky. We

[1:00:40] had an ice storm. You remember the ice storm? We had the when we had the ice

[1:00:45] storm back then, we had no place to go with a brush. None. So, we had a guy by

[1:00:52] the name of Fenton Rude, I think was his name. Come. Huh?

[1:00:56] » That's it. >> He come over here and he he what he did

[1:00:58] was he said, "I'm going to sanction the brush dump." Well, I said, "Okay, let's

[1:01:04] sanction the brush dump for the brush." Well, I got the brainy idea. Let's just

[1:01:09] open it up and let people just brush it, dump it in there free.

[1:01:13] And let me tell you what, that was the biggest mistake I ever had because you

[1:01:17] ever been to those little post holes? They got they got cris in them. They got

[1:01:21] arsenic in them. Well, Fenton came over here and inspected it one day. And when

[1:01:27] he did, he said, "Shut it down." DQ said, "Shut it down." And I said, "What

[1:01:32] are we going to?" He said, "You got to clean it up. I'm going to pull your

[1:01:34] permit because we we we that that we're the only one only place in the state of

[1:01:39] Oklahoma that has a burn pit now like what we've got. And so he pulled he said

[1:01:44] I'm going to pull the permit and I so I went to Bill and I said I got to have

[1:01:48] some help. I said somebody's got to manage this brush going in there.

[1:01:53] [clears throat] So we went to Bill and can you manage the brush going in there?

[1:01:56] He said I can do more than that. You bring your street crew over there on

[1:01:59] Saturday and let's separate this stuff. We were and DEQ come over and oversaw

[1:02:04] everything that then he took it and hauled it off and that's how that that

[1:02:07] facility started back there. Then later on the uh they come up with burn

[1:02:13] incinerators. Okay. I didn't qualify the city didn't qualify for a burn

[1:02:17] incinerator. Shoto got it. Well Sh burn incinerator

[1:02:23] flopped because it didn't work. You burn down not burn up. But we're the only

[1:02:27] facility, the only place in the state that's got a place that you can actually

[1:02:30] burn brush. That's legal. And he he managed that process. I say all that to

[1:02:35] say this, the contract that one of the things that we wanted to do, we looked

[1:02:39] at this contract. We wanted to protect the citizens of Prior. That was one of

[1:02:44] the things that we wanted to do. That's what I thought we did. So we so when the

[1:02:47] contract come, we we got this contract through 2044.

[1:02:53] auto renewal with through 2044 with this escalation clause in there for the

[1:02:58] simple reason that we knew that this business is very very volatile very

[1:03:04] competit very competitive and go out there and look at So we got through 2024

[1:03:08] and we knew that this guy right here we trusted this guy and he get so in order

[1:03:14] to keep his business in quarter trucks and uh people hired I I don't know he's

[1:03:19] probably got about $2 million payroll out there now what he's probably got

[1:03:22] close to it you haven't been out there you need to go out there but my point is

[1:03:26] saying and it's auto renewal every five years or three years and we

[1:03:31] did that for this reason was to protect the citizens of prior I didn't want you

[1:03:35] Zach I didn't want you or anybody else to go through what we went through was

[1:03:39] that trash dump and I mean it was brutal and DEEQ was going to find us there's

[1:03:45] going to lose all of their NFIP national flood insurance we going to lose all of

[1:03:49] that for the citizens of prior you know so that's the reason why this thing is

[1:03:53] set up the way it is and I set it up me and I think it was uh Randy Elliot and

[1:04:02] Ben Shear and Ken Prather and Gary Shaml. I think we all set this

[1:04:10] thing up so he could get financing. And that's what we did. Make sure that he

[1:04:13] was protected on financing is why we did this thing. So if anybody to blame, you

[1:04:17] got to blame me. Then later on Zach to blame, but this contract is why we want

[1:04:21] to make sure that that he's protected. Not only him, and I'm telling you right

[1:04:26] now, he's getting old just like I am. And I want to make sure that whoever's

[1:04:30] and his son's right there and his son they got enough to make sure that we're

[1:04:33] protected to do trash service. And so the trash service is that way. If you go

[1:04:37] out there now, they take all that brush in there and it

[1:04:41] inspects it. It's clean. I don't know if any problems you have. You know, one of

[1:04:46] the biggest one of the biggest things that we want to do, we also looked at

[1:04:49] bidding uh with bidding dumpsters. Okay. And he

[1:04:55] when we was going to look at one time go to lighter trucks and bid dumpsters.

[1:05:00] Well, we took this we took this thing in. The citizens did not want a dumpster

[1:05:06] for the simple reason because the dumpster wouldn't hold as much trash.

[1:05:11] » Polycart >> as polycart wouldn't hold as much trash.

[1:05:13] And so we had I won't say his name. So we had a guy outside of town there would

[1:05:18] bring him in and put him in sever several several of his uh his his rental

[1:05:24] houses and then we would you know and he didn't use water. So we passed a deal

[1:05:28] water on trash service. We had to you had to pay for trash service. Suppose

[1:05:31] you got water you had to pay for trash service. I say that this has been a this

[1:05:35] has been a great partnership. Now it's a pain sometimes. It's been a

[1:05:40] great partnership with the city citiz trash all over the state of Oklahoma is

[1:05:44] difficult. And if you want to see something nasty, just see go over the

[1:05:48] trash. If you go over to uh I took some took some stuff over to uh my daughter

[1:05:53] lives at Clam. I took some stuff over to the landfill at over by American

[1:05:57] Airlines here a while back. $40. What took me for my pickup just just to walk

[1:06:01] in just to drive in the gate. >> I did that too. $45. $40 just just my my

[1:06:07] pickup for so my point saying that is yeah this contract is is very lengthy 3%

[1:06:14] Bill didn't ask for 3% every year he bought he bought playground equipment

[1:06:18] with some money that he donated we bought playground equipment over at Choy

[1:06:22] over in that part we bought playground equipment over there so he's been a good

[1:06:25] partner and his company's been a good partner the other thing that you that

[1:06:29] you cannot replace >> is our is our impact that we have with

[1:06:34] DEEQ Q and and NFIP and the National Flood Insurance Department. You cannot

[1:06:39] replace that because that goes a long way because they they see that. I don't

[1:06:43] know if it if they only inspected it once or twice, you know, they'll come

[1:06:46] out and do us, but we I don't know if we ever had a fall. Now, we had over there

[1:06:50] at the old one, we had numerous complaints and so 3% escalation,

[1:06:57] you know, cost goes up, you know, [clears throat]

[1:07:00] I haven't I haven't seen 3% increase in my uh I haven't in my social security

[1:07:05] and well since I retired, you know, [snorts] so [clears throat and cough] I

[1:07:07] can use 3%. But my point is citizens are well taken care of. This guy's taking a

[1:07:12] well taken care of and the contract I we put the contract out that way for that

[1:07:17] reason. And I wanted to protect him. I want to protect his investment. I want

[1:07:22] to protect the citizens because one thing that like whether you like me or

[1:07:26] not, I love the city of Prior. >> I love the city of Pride alone. No,

[1:07:32] without any qualms about it, you know. I love the city of I love what we do and

[1:07:36] where we're going, where it's going. I love it. And I don't want to see

[1:07:39] anything bad eye or anything else for the city of Prior. I want to see the

[1:07:43] city of Pride do well. That's my that's my love. So that's one. So I I encourage

[1:07:48] you, you know, and I'm and I'm open to any question you want to ask me. I'll

[1:07:52] answer it or whatever I can. I tried to look at I've got some of the old copies

[1:07:56] of old contracts at my house, stuff like it, but I'll [clears throat] answer any

[1:08:00] question that I can think of to answer. I just think that trash business is a

[1:08:06] tough business and a nasty business. >> Too many moving parts.

[1:08:09] » Too many. You know, >> Jimmy, let me ask you a question. This

[1:08:12] contract, did it go through the public works authority or go through the city

[1:08:16] of Prior? >> Both. What what we did, Bruce, what we

[1:08:20] what we did, we took it to the street committee. Okay.

[1:08:23] » All right. >> All right. We took it to the street

[1:08:24] committee. Okay. We went to the street committee. And I couldn't tell you. I I

[1:08:29] couldn't tell you on the top of my head now if it went from the street committee

[1:08:32] to council or it went to PPWA. I'm thinking it probably went through PPWA

[1:08:38] more than likely because that's the way he could borrow the money. You know,

[1:08:42] back with the prior public works, PPWA has when you go to get bonds and stuff,

[1:08:46] you go to PPWA, not that because it was the building. So, we had to back it. I

[1:08:50] think it had to go to through PPWA because the city couldn't city can't

[1:08:54] obligate itself belong one year. So, we had to go that way and that and I think

[1:08:57] that's what we had to do. I could be wrong about that. I don't remember, but

[1:09:00] I think that's what it was. Yeah, that's that's whenever we had the

[1:09:05] meeting with Gary Shaml first priority, they were willing to get involved in the

[1:09:10] financial part of it and we met downstairs like I said earlier and one

[1:09:15] of the thing there's two things that the the bank stipulated number one was that

[1:09:23] they would finance it for 15 years but they want that's where the three

[1:09:28] fiveyear term come out and that five years, three renewal terms. The

[1:09:35] second thing is they won their money first. Terry Hill every month would go

[1:09:42] down to that bank and deposit that money and bank [snorts] got their payment

[1:09:46] before anything. So, there was a lot of little moving parts to get it started.

[1:09:52] And again, my my uh whole life has been centered around work trucks. I know

[1:09:59] refuge truck from front to back. I probably I probably have more knowledge

[1:10:03] about the refuge industry and refuge equipment than anybody in prior and

[1:10:08] maybe in Maze County. When I buy a truck, I buy it on five years. I put

[1:10:14] every warranty on that I can and the reason why to pull a truck in a ch shop

[1:10:20] now is $245 an hour to work on truck. So I fall back

[1:10:26] on the warranty. excuse >> to take care of the equipment and to

[1:10:30] provide good service. When I was on the council, we constantly heard how the

[1:10:35] trucks were breaking down the middle of the streets,

[1:10:38] pouring oil out of them. You can follow the trash truck throughout the town.

[1:10:42] [snorts] They stunk to high heavens. I mean, it was a it was a joke to the city

[1:10:48] of Prior to have that type of refuge operation. And again, I I stepped off

[1:10:56] and took a chance. Uh I did not for the first three years, Tim Prather was

[1:11:03] right. We barely made it. I took every penny out of my retirement, my 401ks to

[1:11:10] make payroll. And I'm going to tell you guys, I worked seven days a week, 15

[1:11:14] hours a day. >> Can I say something else, too?

[1:11:16] » And and it was it was a tough tough time. One of the things and I don't want

[1:11:20] to mention any names here. I can remember when they started

[1:11:23] the city of Prior had a contractor, I'm not going to say any names, dumping it

[1:11:29] illegally. Okay, there's a file in there. The city

[1:11:33] of Prior is responsible for that site. If anything ever leeches out of that

[1:11:39] site, City of Prior is responsible that site. It's in there on file right now.

[1:11:43] It was I don't know how many years ago and you know the contract they're dead

[1:11:47] but city of prior for that and that's how come it's so important when you get

[1:11:51] pick up and I'm not talking about just trash if you have a dumpster a big one

[1:11:56] of those big large dumpsters that you picked up at somebody's businesses you

[1:11:59] got to know where that goes you know we had somebody dumping it at iron post we

[1:12:03] had to stop that one time you know taking it to iron post you know so my

[1:12:07] point saying that is there's a lot of issue a lot of moving parts in this

[1:12:10] stuff so I again. Contract is 2044. I'm here. I'm going to shut up. You got any

[1:12:17] questions for me? Answer me.

[1:12:21] » Just to clarify, what do you charge the city?

[1:12:25] » I'm sorry. >> What do you charge the city?

[1:12:27] » What you What do you charge the city, Bill?

[1:12:29] » What do you charge the city for for trash pickup?

[1:12:32] » What I charge the city? >> Because he wants to know what your fees

[1:12:37] are. >> The current rates.

[1:12:38] » Current rates. >> 1675. the the the city like not not

[1:12:43] general citizens of the city, the city of

[1:12:45] » Priunal >> municipal.

[1:12:48] » Well, the the reason I asked that is in the letter it says with the city budget

[1:12:54] being tight last year, we made the decision for to forgo the increase. The

[1:12:59] city budget's not the concern of prior waste. So,

[1:13:05] » and and on top of that, hold on. On top of that, I've had folks from city

[1:13:10] clerk's office tell me that there are charges to mub or through mub to prior

[1:13:14] waste on city bills. So, and something >> for the dumpsters there are for some of

[1:13:22] the dumpsters. Yes, >> that [clears throat] I can't that I

[1:13:26] can't answer. >> Yeah.

[1:13:27] » Are you talking about rolloffs? >> Let me explain that. There's times when

[1:13:31] you guys do a clean up of the house, you tear a house down or whatever. We just

[1:13:38] furnish dumpsters for clean up, which was to go back. I didn't even charge for

[1:13:45] the truck, the labor, the any of that. All I charge was for

[1:13:51] what it cost me to take it and

[1:13:57] it legally. Well, that was that would have been a rolloff, right?

[1:14:01] » Rolloff. >> So, when you said dumpster, is that what

[1:14:03] you meant? >> I'm talking rolloff.

[1:14:04] » Okay. >> See, the rolloffs are they're charged up

[1:14:07] here at the top. >> Yeah. Well, that Yeah, that I knew.

[1:14:10] » Okay. >> But it just made it look like because of

[1:14:12] city budget with that. >> Well, what what my intention was

[1:14:20] I've sat that seat and there was a lot of bad rap on the

[1:14:25] financial side. situation, the shortfalls and all that.

[1:14:32] This this is where I have to calm myself down where that was a very volatile

[1:14:40] night. The public was upset, bad rap to the city of Prior and I

[1:14:46] thought the last thing you guys need to do was face a pay pay raise. It was

[1:14:52] respect what I did. So, what I sacrificed was

[1:14:58] respect for you guys and this town. >> And that's from my heart.

[1:15:04] » I'm not just BSing you. >> So, I'm the one that made the motion.

[1:15:09] So, let me talk for a second. Um, I made the motion tonight for no action.

[1:15:15] Not because I'm opposed to this. I'm not necessarily opposed to it. I'm not

[1:15:19] necessarily for it at this point. I don't know what I'm for because we have

[1:15:22] no information other than what we're being told. There was no information in

[1:15:28] our packet. The only information that we have been given as a council to make a

[1:15:34] decision for our community, for our constituents is a Facebook post the

[1:15:39] mayor made last night to the general public. That's it. So, I I'm not again

[1:15:45] I'm not opposed to this, but I would like to see historical documents on how

[1:15:50] this started, the original contract, and all of the amendments

[1:15:56] to getting us where we are today so we can make a educated,

[1:16:02] logical decision that's going to be in the best interest of you, our community,

[1:16:08] our citizens. And I would like the city attorney to also have the opportunity to

[1:16:13] look at all those documents to see if anything

[1:16:16] jumps out at him. How can we,

[1:16:21] and I'm changing the subject for a second, how can a city council in 1989,

[1:16:27] 1990, pass a something that binds this city

[1:16:34] council today in 2026 to a certain pay increase? How can we do

[1:16:40] that? >> The city council probably couldn't, but

[1:16:43] if it's through the PWA, you might be able to. I'd have to look at the

[1:16:46] contract which is >> which is

[1:16:49] » exactly what he said. >> Yeah. And so

[1:16:52] » again >> I I respect what you're saying there.

[1:16:56] The contract there's original contract in there. Then the amendments to the

[1:16:58] contract are in there also somewhere. And the other thing is is

[1:17:02] » I think it's only in the fair interest of this council to see all of those

[1:17:06] documents >> and put them in the packet so the public

[1:17:08] can see the same thing we are and can contact us with their opinion. Nina

[1:17:14] » and give us their thoughts on that >> before we make a decision.

[1:17:19] » But one one one thing and I agree and I agree with what you're saying here. One

[1:17:24] thing that I'll divert to is that we didn't do anything contractwise when

[1:17:31] I was either Randy Elliott didn't approve. He's got his stamp on

[1:17:36] it. Ben Sher didn't approve. >> Sort of

[1:17:40] » or Kim Kim Richie didn't approve. You know, that's one of the things that

[1:17:44] that'll get you in trouble quicker than anything

[1:17:47] because you're spending money that you don't have. But somewhere in

[1:17:49] [clears throat] there, those contracts are in there. So, yes. And and I told I

[1:17:53] told Bill here, I told Bill recycling. I said,

[1:17:57] » "It's part of my fault. The contracts are there. You need to get together with

[1:18:02] the council sometime. Get a group together with council. You need to get

[1:18:05] together with MUB. You need to sit down and talk about this. Everybody needs to

[1:18:09] understand the history of this trash business because you all have no idea

[1:18:14] what the history of this trash business is, what we went through to get there.

[1:18:17] » So, are you saying MUB's a part of the city?

[1:18:19] » No, I'm not. >> We're [laughter] not going

[1:18:22] but but but but one of the things was they agreed they

[1:18:26] agreed we pay them paid him. That was one of the agreements we had to do. All

[1:18:30] goes through to be fair. I will say that is one of the thickest files because of

[1:18:35] all that documentation that's in the vault. It's

[1:18:37] » it's it's huge thick. >> It's every bit.

[1:18:39] » But anyway, I >> and and I and I and again I agree the

[1:18:43] contract to me if you want to see the contract. I'm sure that this young lady

[1:18:47] would let you look at it because that files in about like you said about that

[1:18:50] thick, you know. I'm sure Drew's got one somewhere.

[1:18:53] » So is it you keep saying it's this thick. Is it possible to give us in a

[1:18:57] packet or >> Oh my gosh. No, we can anything book,

[1:19:01] but it's gonna it's going to be several hundred pages.

[1:19:05] » It'll take you what my suggestion would be to if you want to have something look

[1:19:08] at have city attorney look at it or or you come here and sit down and look at

[1:19:12] because it's pretty long. >> And in all honesty, the packet we could

[1:19:16] give the citizens the opportunity to look at. Charles, to clarify that,

[1:19:21] » back during the start of Courtney's term, wasn't most everything all

[1:19:25] digitized that this is could be in an email instead of a thick file packet.

[1:19:30] » Not all of that file. >> I've came into a lot of things that I

[1:19:36] have to find. >> Okay.

[1:19:39] » Because >> I knew that there was a lot of

[1:19:40] digitations, didn't you? >> But I have wrote [clears throat] I wrote

[1:19:43] down everything that you guys have said that you've wanted and I'm that's my

[1:19:46] list. And remember, all of those records requests, if you go to Hannah, she'll

[1:19:50] provide them for you as quick as she can,

[1:19:51] » as quick as we can. >> I I I don't have a problem with anything

[1:19:55] you said. Just know that that file is thick and a lot of those pages are

[1:19:58] brittle. So, I if you can come and look at it here, if we have to do if we have

[1:20:04] to scan it up, >> if it's been scanned, I'm sending

[1:20:07] » if it will. Yeah. Let me add another thing to Charles.

[1:20:13] In my thinking, which I'm not not right most of the time anyway, but in my

[1:20:17] thinking, we should be discussing with the city of Prior, how would you like to

[1:20:24] reduce your two week to one week, get a trash can, get that accepted, and then

[1:20:31] bring in a possible increase. Not bring the increase in first and then That's

[1:20:38] that's that's good. That's a good plan. You know, we put a group together and

[1:20:42] what you're saying is table the 3%. My question is can he can he forgo the 3%

[1:20:46] with a raise in fees? And >> he may not he may not have to uh he'll

[1:20:51] know more than we will, but if we cut the uh the amount of time he's spending

[1:20:56] in prior and cut it in half, that may make him a better situation.

[1:21:02] » It may make us a better situation. >> Yeah. Study and see. That's that's your

[1:21:05] » Let's not jump. just not jump real quick. They can figure it out.

[1:21:08] » And see, we're headed that way anyway. >> Yeah.

[1:21:11] » If you do, >> as we talked about, you go to every one

[1:21:14] of those towns. >> Prior is the only town that I know of in

[1:21:20] the state of Oklahoma that has twice pickup.

[1:21:23] » I've been against that since day one >> because I was over the street

[1:21:27] department. Those trash trucks are tough on your streets. So, there's there's a

[1:21:31] lot of ways to handle it. But the problem that we ran into, the people did

[1:21:36] not want that. They've had twice a week pickup for 50 years.

[1:21:41] » They're used to that. >> You go changing somebody's trash habits,

[1:21:45] you're asking for a lot of trouble. Well, you could shut their TV off. You

[1:21:49] can shut >> You can do a lot of things. You mess

[1:21:52] with trash, you andor body. Along along those lines,

[1:21:58] one day I gandered out in the garage to take the trash out. I opened up the

[1:22:04] garage door and there's a trash truck sitting there right against the garage

[1:22:07] door. And I thought, my wife or daughter has done bought a trash truck.

[1:22:12] [laughter] I don't know where that come from. Well,

[1:22:16] one of his people misunderstanding instead of I've got house pickup, side

[1:22:20] pickup. Instead of getting it and taking it out the street, they just back the

[1:22:23] old trash track up the door. There's a hole big as a hood in my car where it

[1:22:29] crushed concrete. I didn't say anything about it for a while. When I told him,

[1:22:34] he immediately came out there, fixed it. Sorry. And got it fixed and everything's

[1:22:38] fine. So, I don't have a problem with the trash service. I don't have a

[1:22:41] problem with Bill. I just think we need to get this

[1:22:45] » so to your point. Are you wanting to go to two one time a week? Is that your

[1:22:49] proposal forever? >> I would love it.

[1:22:51] » Yeah. >> And here's let me tell you something,

[1:22:53] Mr. >> You know how many applications I got

[1:22:57] last year for people throwing trash?

[1:23:01] » I'm not. >> I'm just trying to figure out what

[1:23:04] you're wanting. I'm not questioning you. I'm just trying to figure out because it

[1:23:07] kind of sounded like in those comments you made a few minutes ago that you

[1:23:10] weren't necessarily for that. >> When you have pick up,

[1:23:14] » even though people don't set the pressure up, we still drive the same.

[1:23:18] The truck still travel. >> I get that.

[1:23:20] » So, you know, the fuel cost those trucks are, you know, I sold the last trash

[1:23:25] truck that prior bought in 1983. It was $39,000.

[1:23:31] The same truck today impacts [clears throat] the same volume of trash

[1:23:35] is a quarter of a million. >> Insurance went through the roof. The

[1:23:39] operational cost. I'm on those guys all the time. We got to control the

[1:23:45] operational cost. That's We don't do that.

[1:23:49] » And I I was going to say something real quick and I'm I'm going to cut my part

[1:23:55] unless you have questions. [snorts] >> Not all he's got question. He's chomping

[1:23:59] at the bits. [laughter] But here's the deal. If you look around Shoto and you

[1:24:06] look Shodo I had Mayor Floyd called me one time. I said we got a mess.

[1:24:12] the hauler. If you so find a problem with the trash company, it's usually the

[1:24:19] rates too cheap and they can't afford the disposal. The disposal of that trash

[1:24:25] is one of the most expensive things that we do. And what he was doing was at

[1:24:31] night time he was dumping it behind the building, burning

[1:24:35] major DEQ violation. >> And the thing about it is Mayor Floyd

[1:24:39] called me and said, "We're in trouble." The landfills have shut him off once

[1:24:44] this town of Shodo to pay for the disposal

[1:24:48] and he they were making him if he come to the landfill they made him pay cash

[1:24:52] before he could dump. He called me and said we got a problem. We end up with

[1:24:58] contract and show I've had the same thing at Wagner and we haul Wagner and

[1:25:04] uh we do it with an automated polycar system.

[1:25:09] It's It's only one.

[1:25:12] » Can I make one more comment? Then I'm I'm not going to say another word. I

[1:25:14] just asked the city attorney >> if he's seen the the amend addendum of

[1:25:19] the contract, >> you know, this contract and and he said

[1:25:23] he had. Am I correct? >> I saw what you and I talked about his

[1:25:26] » the addendum of the contract through 2044, which I don't know if that was the

[1:25:29] full addendum. Was that only two pages of it or was that

[1:25:31] » that was it? It was that in minutes just two pages.

[1:25:34] » That's what So my point is my point saying that is is that's the addendum to

[1:25:39] 2044. I think Bruce has got a good idea have to look at. I think you got a good

[1:25:43] idea. >> Look at it for future boy. Let's get

[1:25:46] this thing done as we get people citizens are in and then say, "Okay, I'm

[1:25:50] going to put a a team together and get Bill back here together and let's get

[1:25:53] back. Let's get people together that's been on this council before and let's

[1:25:57] discuss this because when I'm dead and gone, I don't come to town much

[1:26:01] anymore." And if Zach and I stay at I stay on

[1:26:04] » No, but you're constantly driving. >> [laughter]

[1:26:07] » But my my point is we've done a good job between He's seen the contracts. I'm

[1:26:11] going to go sit down and shut up. >> Hey, Bill.

[1:26:13] » Mr. Dinsmore, >> hang on.

[1:26:15] » Uh you're asking for a 3% which is about 50 cents. Is that correct?

[1:26:20] » Uh we only get 91%. >> The city gets 6% for building and 3% for

[1:26:28] » but the 3% would be approximately 50 cents on the 50s. Time we did it 45

[1:26:33] cents, right? And we pick up eight times a week,

[1:26:36] » right? >> I mean, a month,

[1:26:37] » right, >> guys?

[1:26:39] » Is this rate weekly? >> It's It's a monthly rate, right? 1675 is

[1:26:44] a monthly rate. >> Yes, it is.

[1:26:46] » Now, Bill, everywhere that you do service, do you furnish the cans?

[1:26:50] » Yes. >> So, Prior is on the ones you don't

[1:26:51] furnish. >> Prior Prior does have cans around that

[1:26:54] he's furnished. I've seen interesting that you guys mentioned that we had such

[1:26:59] a tremendous amount of people calling said, "We want

[1:27:04] You see them everywhere >> and those things are expensive. We order

[1:27:08] the semi truckload of them. >> Uh we just I don't know how many we've

[1:27:12] set prior, but I went to Terry one day and I said, "Terry, we're getting so

[1:27:17] many calls for cars. I'd like to be able to add that." And I think Larry Le was

[1:27:24] so forth and they approved to put that on there as available. It's not part of

[1:27:28] the contract, >> but you you have special truck that

[1:27:31] hauls those, right? You got a special truck that loads those polycarts.

[1:27:36] » Well, uh you're right. A poly cart will hold up to 175 pounds.

[1:27:42] » Yeah. >> And the hydraulic system on the truck

[1:27:45] will flip that will dump that 175 pounds. Whereas if we pick it up, we

[1:27:51] only pick up 50 pounds and we only lift it four feet.

[1:27:54] » Right. >> Well, how many how many people have you

[1:27:57] got on the poly truck? >> How many people have the truck?

[1:28:00] » I mean I mean how many operating? operators.

[1:28:04] » One >> and on. So you got one on the poly

[1:28:07] truck, but you got three on the regular truck,

[1:28:09] » right? >> And nobody's going to lose a job if you

[1:28:11] switch. >> No.

[1:28:15] What it allows me to do is to go to a different truck,

[1:28:19] » Bill. >> Has the arm that lift.

[1:28:22] » Okay. >> And and that way you don't worry about

[1:28:26] 100 degree temperature, >> right? you know, minus zero windshield

[1:28:31] factor, >> whatever it is. And it's

[1:28:35] » Now, if you've got a house side pickup, how does the one guy does he get out of

[1:28:38] the truck, go up there and get it? >> I pick it up. I pick up.

[1:28:42] » Do you? [laughter] >> That'll work.

[1:28:45] » I've done it, too. Boo. >> Hey, Bill. Question. Uh, since you're

[1:28:50] going to go to this Polycarp thing or possibly,

[1:28:54] » what's it going to cost you to get started and maybe buy new trucks and

[1:28:57] things like that? >> It cost a million and a half.

[1:29:00] » Million and a half. >> We're good with that.

[1:29:03] » Okay. Just want to make sure that's going to be it's going to be expensive.

[1:29:08] » Okay. Okay. Good enough. >> And I got a letter.

[1:29:11] » All right. Good. >> Okay. So, I just have a few questions

[1:29:13] and a lot of this.

[1:29:17] A lot of it starts 24, 48 hours, however long ago it was. I

[1:29:21] don't know. I've I didn't go to sleep until 2 o'clock

[1:29:25] last night doing research. I spent a lot of my day today doing research that

[1:29:29] starts with a question because I found your

[1:29:34] for whatever reason, I had a lot of this stuff sent to me when Courtney was here.

[1:29:37] And so I found this your your amendment from 2019

[1:29:42] and we got clarification on that now that no the city's not actually being

[1:29:47] charged in lie of foregoing rent

[1:29:52] for basic trash pickup. Is that I'm understanding that correct?

[1:29:55] » Correct. >> Okay. And so I asked the question and I

[1:29:59] really didn't get an answer. It was come talk to me. Okay, fine. Whatever.

[1:30:06] And then at the same time when all this starts getting posted out, I also get

[1:30:09] calls from constituents and whatnot. And I'm spending a lot of time going through

[1:30:12] every single city council agenda since tw whatever's on the the website. And

[1:30:18] Jay, by the way, has been awesome in getting me all that information. So

[1:30:22] kudos to her. Give her a raise. No. Uh anyway, there's a few things that I have

[1:30:28] a question about. The first one, and this largely comes from the fact that

[1:30:32] we're a private company working with a government entity.

[1:30:36] I'm predisposed that you should keep that as far away as possible. That

[1:30:39] that's not the discussion here. But one of the things is complaints about

[1:30:45] you talk about twice a week pickup. Well, and I have your information letter

[1:30:50] here as well that's on the website. uh that citizens within the city at a

[1:30:56] certain time. It it just says 25 years ago this was done. There's no date on

[1:31:00] the letter, but I would assume he already

[1:31:03] » Yeah, he left. >> Oh, okay. Well, sometime sometime over

[1:31:07] 25 years ago this was decided. Um a lot of the complaint has come from

[1:31:13] there are areas in the city that are no long that are now in city limits that

[1:31:17] now have houses on them and they're getting twice a week pickup.

[1:31:21] And like I have a neighbor who has to go to a dumpster because once a week is so

[1:31:26] so the question there is is consistency in the work practice

[1:31:32] because we are contracted with the city and so the I think the citizens should

[1:31:38] know that that's happening and I'm not trying to get on to anybody but that's

[1:31:41] just is what it is. And the second thing is they complained about no re no call

[1:31:48] backs, no responses from and the only and again a private company

[1:31:54] I believe should be able to do whatever they want in you know in accordance with

[1:31:56] state local laws etc so on and so forth but when you go to a a governing agency

[1:32:03] I that's that's a little hairy >> I'm gonna

[1:32:07] » get to the damn point >> pause because

[1:32:09] » well [laughter] >> in my three years as mayor

[1:32:12] » Greg you suck I've had one person, not you, and I know you're talking about

[1:32:17] yourself. Um, one person call me that said, "Hey, I didn't get my trash picked

[1:32:22] up, and I called you immediately, and you went as quick as you could get a

[1:32:26] team out there." Nobody Nobody in this room right now has graced

[1:32:31] my office or my phone to mention that they weren't getting the pickups that

[1:32:35] they should get. And I understand that we have boundaries that have changed

[1:32:40] with annexations, but understand I don't have MUB with their billing. They don't

[1:32:46] know. Hannah doesn't know who who gets what. We don't sit at everybody's front

[1:32:50] yard. So, it's it's it is an element of accountability and responsibility that

[1:32:55] if you're in the city limits and you're not getting what you're paying for to as

[1:33:00] as politely and correctly as you can call up and say, "I'm I'm not getting

[1:33:06] the pickups I need and it's not happening." And so,

[1:33:12] » and I am I am going to say I'm >> hang on. Hang on. I'm not done. I'm not

[1:33:15] done. >> And we're not open to public discussion

[1:33:18] on the floor. Here's the problem is that we're not we're not attacking. We're not

[1:33:25] out to do that. That's not the point. If we have adjustments that need to be made

[1:33:29] because of boundaries that have changed, and our boundaries are always changing,

[1:33:32] and here in the next year or two, they're going to change again when we do

[1:33:36] additional annexations, when we get the houses put in up at Stonegate. We have

[1:33:41] to make sure that we're communicating that to Dinsore. And when I talked to

[1:33:44] Jimmy about it today, he said that, I guess, is through zoning. maps that we

[1:33:49] have to do that. We've updated our zoning maps. We have to make sure that

[1:33:53] we're getting those out, but the only way we're going to find out that those

[1:33:56] people like you and your neighbor aren't getting the service because you've been

[1:34:00] annexed in since 2 AD when we started this this whole

[1:34:05] mess is for those people to come to us or to

[1:34:08] call call the utility board or Hannah and say, "I'm not getting what I need."

[1:34:14] I'm going to tell you right now, every call I've made to Bill and and Bill, you

[1:34:18] can attest, you and I have not always seen eye to eye. We had a great

[1:34:21] interaction in my office at the store one time where it was got it got hot.

[1:34:26] But I make a call to him and it happens. So, if we're not getting that, we need

[1:34:31] to know. We can't we can't begrudgingly come at the city and be or bill and be

[1:34:36] like, "Well, I've been paying and I'm not getting it." So, there there's an

[1:34:40] accountability factor there. We will make right what we can make right.

[1:34:45] That's what we're here to do. >> So hold on. Hold on. When these people,

[1:34:49] including myself, they call MUB. They say we don't have control over that.

[1:34:53] Call, you got to call the ways. You call ways. We don't get responses. Nobody

[1:34:57] gets responses. So we call city hall and and complain.

[1:35:00] » You can call me every time or >> Yeah. And again, this

[1:35:03] » or like I said in the email, you can come into my office and we can talk

[1:35:06] about it. But apparently, you know, we what I'm getting at is we've got to have

[1:35:10] that communication. And it's just like everywhere else. If you're not getting

[1:35:14] an answer from Dinsore and you don't get an answer from there, that's what I'm

[1:35:18] paid to do. I will I will make those. Have I not called you several times

[1:35:24] » and said, "Hey, we need to fix this." Okay. The only reason

[1:35:27] » never denied anybody trash.

[1:35:32] » Now, I'm I'm going to say something here that last week pick up.

[1:35:38] The problem is, and I owe an apology, but on the flip side of that, we have no

[1:35:46] idea. We don't what areas have been annexed

[1:35:51] and stuff. There's a road out there that one side of the streets in city, the

[1:35:56] other side's not. >> Yeah, that happens to be where I live,

[1:35:59] too. >> And I didn't even know that to today.

[1:36:02] » Yeah. Well, it and and I'm not getting on to you for that because I know

[1:36:04] there's a chain of commitment. But the fact of the matter is I didn't know a

[1:36:07] lot of this stuff until the last 24 48 hours. I went and searched all these

[1:36:12] documents and read through them like, "Oh, wait. We're really tied to prior

[1:36:15] waste and recycle more than I thought we were." And the fact is is nobody else is

[1:36:18] out there going to know that, hey, maybe we need to call up city hall and say,

[1:36:22] "Hey, this is what's going on." And when I had a simple question, do we do this?

[1:36:27] Yes or no? Come to my office and talk about it. Well, I'm not going to be able

[1:36:30] to do that before the meeting. Well, I'm busy, too. Well, I get that. But we're

[1:36:36] sitting here having to make decisions about a contract we don't have in a

[1:36:38] packet. We've got all these documents that had to be fished out, which once

[1:36:42] again, great for city. I appreciate what your office has done getting this

[1:36:46] information. Well, the added information. And

[1:36:51] so, let me be very clear so people that are listening. Over the weekend, I got

[1:36:58] asked if we could have some correspondence.

[1:37:01] You know what? I have family time. And I'm sorry, Mr. Brashier, that you've got

[1:37:06] your yourself all worked up over this, but I have every right to say, "Come to

[1:37:11] my office and talk about it." Terry has been in my office. I've talked to Bruce.

[1:37:15] I've talked to just about anybody. Lori and I have talked about it. You chose to

[1:37:20] throw a fit because I said, "Come talk to me." I sat in my office all day with

[1:37:26] the exception of two two times. One, I went to go get lunch and two, when I

[1:37:29] went to take pictures of the 17th Street project to give an update on that. You

[1:37:34] did not make that effort. I don't know what your day is. I don't really care.

[1:37:37] But to to waste our time in a county so I can

[1:37:40] » to waste I'm not done talking. Don't interrupt. When we have a council

[1:37:45] meeting and we're trying to dec to do this, take your personal issues and

[1:37:49] handle them not in a public setting. I don't think that's professional. I don't

[1:37:54] think it's professional to get upset when somebody says, "Come and talk to me

[1:37:58] about it." If you don't like that answer, I'm sorry, but that's the answer

[1:38:02] that you got. I am a father. I am a husband and I have

[1:38:07] things in my home that I need to do, including sick children. I have a wife

[1:38:12] needed some help. I'm not going to give every waking

[1:38:15] second of my Sunday and Saturday night to things that I need to put in a

[1:38:21] priority list and set back. We're here to discuss this 3% escalator.

[1:38:27] That's what we need to get to. I think there have been great questions from

[1:38:30] everybody. Great involvement. I'm grateful that you Brian and

[1:38:34] » Mattful.

[1:38:45] » Thank you. And >> absolutely.

[1:38:49] » And the fact that Jimmy came up. Jimmy did not have to come up. We try to

[1:38:54] [laughter] We love Jimmy for what he is, but he chose to come up here. What was

[1:38:59] that, Nina? Oh, I thought you had a cough again. Um,

[1:39:04] but again, >> you're interrupting Nina. [laughter]

[1:39:08] » The point the point that we're getting at is

[1:39:11] » Oh my god. >> Customer service, you are a customer

[1:39:14] service based business. >> Yes.

[1:39:16] » There will be problems. Y >> and anybody that's done customer

[1:39:19] service, whether it's whether it's handyman work, library, real estate, uh,

[1:39:26] newspaper, you're not going to get everything 100%.

[1:39:29] losing our cool about it and not being level-headed about things is never going

[1:39:33] to get successful. I tell everybody all the time, level heads prevail, and we've

[1:39:38] got to address whether or not we're going to do this or not. The proposal

[1:39:42] has has been discussed and is out there that we could entertain at another

[1:39:46] council discussion whether or not we would accept the once a week pickup with

[1:39:51] the 97gallon receptacles for reduction in service and and wear and tear on our

[1:39:55] roads, but it helps him as well. that's out there that is not tied into this 3%.

[1:40:02] Tonight, we're here to discuss the 3%. And that's what we've got to do.

[1:40:06] » I understand that. And this is this is the frustrating part. Hold on. I send

[1:40:12] out correspondence at almost 11 p.m. on Sunday.

[1:40:19] That leaves the entire day Monday because we have nothing in our packet

[1:40:24] outside of a letter. No fault to you. And I'm not saying I have issues, but

[1:40:32] not everybody who I have a family. I have five kids. I have a full-time job

[1:40:39] that if I don't work, I'm not making money. I don't have paid leave.

[1:40:45] And so it would be more time efficient to say, "Yes, we do. No, we don't. Hey,

[1:40:51] here's this, but there's more development." It's that simple. So I

[1:40:56] understand what we have on the floor now, but this whole thing

[1:41:02] we talked communication is key. Communication is key. Communication is

[1:41:06] key. And all we have is a letter that he sent in our packet regarding a contract.

[1:41:10] » Yeah. When did you send us that letter, Bill?

[1:41:13] » When did you send that letter to us? >> When did I send that letter?

[1:41:16] » Was that not Friday afternoon? >> Yeah.

[1:41:19] » Thank you, Matt. >> But thank you.

[1:41:22] » I was in the hospital. to it.

[1:41:26] » But in in the contract, it says that the between the city and the refuge company

[1:41:34] is the main and I have the right to petition the council for rates based on

[1:41:41] fuel cost, disposal cost, equipment cost, insurance cost, and all those

[1:41:46] things. That's what I'm doing. And you have the right to reject it. You say,

[1:41:52] "Hey, your service sucks. >> You're on your

[1:41:55] » Do you have a copy of that contract in your files

[1:41:59] at at your work site?" >> I I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty

[1:42:03] sure. >> Bill, would it be liveable?

[1:42:05] » No action. I >> I suggested earlier that

[1:42:08] » Bill, >> we go ahead and

[1:42:13] table this or take no action tonight. work on the one can a one trip

[1:42:21] sanitation and then bring this back at a later point.

[1:42:25] » Would that would that would that settle everything?

[1:42:27] » Let me real quick and I'm going to give Tyler the floor cuz he has been

[1:42:31] patiently waiting. I'm just going to ask you guys, would you guys have a problem

[1:42:34] with me having Jay put out a a jot jot form? I think is what it is. The the

[1:42:40] survey monkey survey just asking what do you prefer? Would you be okay with it?

[1:42:46] Just send it out. We can send it out. Put it out on social media. We'll get

[1:42:50] back unanimous results. >> What are we asking?

[1:42:54] » If they would like to keep the service as it is or if they would be okay with

[1:42:58] once a week with the larger containers that would just go out to the public as

[1:43:02] answered if you want to. >> I think since the paper's gone

[1:43:07] and I know you said you didn't like Facebook although you've adapted rather

[1:43:11] well to communication. Uh but that's the only communication you got prior I think

[1:43:16] right now is Facebook social media to to get and I I don't

[1:43:21] » we have two published newspapers >> there's one sitting right here

[1:43:25] [laughter] Susan Susan >> so we can I I can get Dean and Tim to

[1:43:32] give us Dean and Tim can give us a spot. >> Yeah. I didn't mean but I'm saying that

[1:43:37] thing is Facebook was >> you've seen how immediate it is.

[1:43:42] » Oh boy. I have questions that I wrote down. So hopefully I don't forget

[1:43:45] anything. [laughter] Recycling. Is that anywhere on the

[1:43:49] horizon or where are we at with all that?

[1:43:51] » Very good question. >> And I'm going to ask you if you would

[1:43:53] please speak into the mic because I know there's lots of people that want to know

[1:43:56] this answer. >> I'm up here so I can hear.

[1:43:57] » I know. Yes, sir. Yes, [laughter] sir. >> Okay.

[1:44:02] Recycling is a uh

[1:44:07] it has to be everybody. You can't pick and choose,

[1:44:12] » right? And that's what we ran into the f right off the bat when what we had

[1:44:17] chosen to do was that have twice a week pickup, one time trash, the second time

[1:44:24] recyclables. That thing fell so flat on its face it

[1:44:28] was unreal. Jimmy did the survey. He went to Saratoma. He and people said,

[1:44:34] "We don't we're not going to mess with that. We're going to throw it in the

[1:44:37] trash and be done with it." So, we used the waste of energy and that was

[1:44:44] satisfactory because it was a means of recycling and turning trash into energy.

[1:44:50] That worked until we got pushed out. Recycling

[1:44:55] now costs more than hauling the trash off if you can get rid of it. plastic. I

[1:45:04] don't know if you guys remember preferred waste that was out in

[1:45:06] Industrial Park, recycled plastic. >> They couldn't make a penny. We hauled it

[1:45:12] all off to the landfill. I tried to sell it, but it was co-mingled, contaminated,

[1:45:18] and nobody would take it. So, I've seen recycling break a a contractor's back

[1:45:25] real quick. Now, what we're we are working on and let let me go step back a

[1:45:32] little bit further. We were going to try recycling.

[1:45:38] The city poured a concrete pad. I went out and bought the these

[1:45:45] containers for separation. We set them out there

[1:45:52] and we didn't have anybody participate. and they said, "We're not going to drive

[1:45:57] that gravel road because we'll get a flat." So, what we decided to do was set

[1:46:02] them behind a police station. That thing become a dump. Mattresses,

[1:46:08] junk, everywhere. Dennis Nichols finally called. He said, "Get them out of here.

[1:46:14] I'm sick of it." We've tried, but it's a very, very difficult deal. city of Tulsa

[1:46:21] and I know those guys well have fought that recycling deal and they've got it.

[1:46:26] But you take and set and and pick up recycle bins and have two or three

[1:46:31] people put trash in them, you contaminated it and they will take and

[1:46:36] throw put in the landfill. It's very very strict, very expensive. So what we

[1:46:42] would like to do eventually is in our plan is have it again where we have

[1:46:48] volunteer recycling. In other words, we have the containers where you put paper,

[1:46:54] glass, plastic, whatever. And for people that that that want to do it themselves,

[1:47:01] some people going to do it because they're environmentally conscious. Some

[1:47:04] people are not going to waste the day, their day, their time doing that. So you

[1:47:09] I've watched that thing closely. Uh and uh

[1:47:17] it's to the point that city Tulsa finds people. If you if you violate it,

[1:47:23] they're going to find you. And that's the only way they can they can get a a

[1:47:29] at one time when they started, you know what their percentage of

[1:47:34] participation was? 16%.

[1:47:40] And they had to have recycling. They had diar taunted it got rewards over awards

[1:47:46] b for it. And they had to make it and they tried all kinds of different ways.

[1:47:51] First they they taken and uh leave them a note says don't put your trash in

[1:47:56] recycling bin. And then they got to the point they had to just basically find

[1:48:00] them. >> You're saying if if there's not a a need

[1:48:04] for it or profit for it, nobody wants to mess with it.

[1:48:07] » Yeah. >> Okay. And one of the problems is

[1:48:10] whenever they had the Olympics in China, cardboard was bringing $200 a ton. After

[1:48:16] the Olympics, $5, you can't buy it and transport it for that. I mean, you lose

[1:48:23] money. That's plastic is is a very tough thing uh uh to to get

[1:48:30] rid of. The markets the markets are volatile. It's just up and down, up and

[1:48:34] down. Most of the guys that really that make it work in recycling like [snorts]

[1:48:39] American Environmental, they got a big warehouse and then they they get several

[1:48:44] truckloads and then they go to finding who who's the best buyer for it. So you

[1:48:50] you have I I would love to be able to do some type of recycling, but I just do

[1:48:55] not know how to make it work in this area.

[1:48:57] » Yeah. I I just like the options having the person that does want to do

[1:49:03] it have the option even if it's a drop off location that's managed. Um

[1:49:06] » that's >> but I I think it's good for us to look

[1:49:11] into that avenue. I understand that it's probably a pain and Jeremy's people

[1:49:16] don't have the time to go out and police whether or not somebody's putting

[1:49:18] recycled trash in recycle bin or not. And so I don't want to create any more

[1:49:22] work on anybody but just if there is an option I think that that helps lots of

[1:49:25] things. Um, the other thing is I just want to point out we're talking about $6

[1:49:30] a year >> for consumers.

[1:49:33] » Yeah. >> And we're doing a lot of bickering over

[1:49:35] $6 a year. I have zero complaints with y'all's trash service. You guys are

[1:49:40] » You spend about an hour arguing over this and I'm $200 an hour.

[1:49:43] » That's right. >> I have I have three I have three kids

[1:49:47] like maniacs and >> we probably go over our trash rate and

[1:49:51] you guys always pick it up and I'm very appreciative of it. Thank you very much.

[1:49:56] » I think that we have along with all of our other utility services some of the

[1:49:59] cheapest in the entire state. Um and if anybody wants to disagree, please go ask

[1:50:04] other cities because they're paying sometimes double more than what we're

[1:50:08] paying on lots of things. So >> I appreciate that.

[1:50:12] » I I I just I do wish that we had some more clarity on all the backstory and

[1:50:16] everything. It was helpful. the little history lesson tonight was helpful, but

[1:50:20] I think I and some of the conversations I've had just want to understand better

[1:50:24] what the landscape is on all of this. Um, one of the sticking points as far as

[1:50:30] sticking points, not necessarily a bad thing, just one of the questions is it's

[1:50:33] our land and so what is the tradeoff on our land? You guys are using it. You

[1:50:41] guys are obviously running a business out of it. So, uh, I know that was one

[1:50:45] of the questions that I've been asked is, hey, what is the city getting out of

[1:50:49] it? And if it's cheaper service, if it's whatever it is, I I don't know what it

[1:50:54] is, but I know that that's one of the questions that I've been asked. And

[1:50:56] that's the last question I have. >> And and to answer that, again, I'm being

[1:51:00] a little bit repetitious here. We don't charge the city for anything, right?

[1:51:04] » Band day, >> the festivals, uh, the blueg grass. We

[1:51:09] we bring all the polycarts out here. We don't a penny [clears throat] for them.

[1:51:13] We we set the robots out here so they can empty the holiday the there there is

[1:51:18] a lot of participation whether it's main street prior they'll clean up a business

[1:51:24] we set a dumpster we go >> I mean it's just there's so many things

[1:51:29] that we tried to do but the biggest thing that transfer station is who's

[1:51:34] going to maintain it >> right

[1:51:37] » that's the reason I was telling you earlier about whenever the farm Randy

[1:51:42] you're which everybody knows Randy Drake been around here for a ages. He come to

[1:51:47] me and he said, "We got a big problem." He said, "That thistle is is a hard

[1:51:53] thing to kill >> and per the law,

[1:51:56] » it's city prior's responsibility to control that thistle." Well, you

[1:52:00] couldn't do it for the thorn trees. That thing was a forest of thorn trees. We

[1:52:04] went out there with an excavator for three months, pulled off every one of

[1:52:09] the thorn trees, roots them all. You can't cut them off. You got to pull them

[1:52:13] up roots and all. >> Right.

[1:52:14] » And we made that where it could be mowed.

[1:52:17] » Uh if you go if you drive out there now, look across it looks like a green

[1:52:20] pasture. I mean it it does. So we've done a lot just to maintain that. That

[1:52:27] thing was a a cess poolool. >> That back end was nothing but leech

[1:52:34] ponds. The mosquitoes were bigger than horse flies.

[1:52:38] » Yeah. >> It was a mess. So we we filled all that

[1:52:41] in. We've covered it up. We can add to the top of the land landfield. You just

[1:52:47] can't take away the bottom of it. You can't break that seal and go down below

[1:52:50] it. So we've done a lot and we have uh we have uh plans to to go further and we

[1:52:58] would like later date we'd like to explain to you what we're trying to do.

[1:53:02] We have too many people coming in now. There's so many people moving in.

[1:53:07] bringing the old couches in and boxes and stuff. We've got a big traffic

[1:53:13] problem and somebody's going to get hurt. My liability is going through the

[1:53:18] roof because people come out there, they don't really know what to do. They'll

[1:53:22] pull right in the middle. These guys fight it every day. They pull right in

[1:53:26] the middle of everything. They'll pull right behind the backing truck. The

[1:53:30] beeper's going off. I got signs saying trucks first. and it's dealing with the

[1:53:36] public and that transfer station has become very difficult. So, we're having

[1:53:40] to make some moves and I've talked to you about it and we we're going to have

[1:53:45] to make some changes to protect the public and that that involves recycling,

[1:53:51] a convenient drop off site instead of going into the transfer station. There's

[1:53:55] a lot of people that come out with trailers now can't buy

[1:53:58] » right [laughter]

[1:54:01] » and we've talked about >> I'm going to shut up. I thought I said

[1:54:05] while we go I was going to shut up this we've talked a little bit about just so

[1:54:09] people understand and then we'll we'll wrap this whole thing up.

[1:54:13] » [clears throat] >> One of the things we're we're dealing

[1:54:15] with is the dump station and when we have like tornadoes or we have uh you

[1:54:19] know problems like that you know Claremore is bringing some of their

[1:54:22] stuff out to our br whatever the tornado that came through we've got debris trees

[1:54:27] when we had the father's day storm all those trees that adds up and so one of

[1:54:31] the things that Bill was looking at what last month middle of last month

[1:54:35] » was a was a machine it was basically what there were eight of them in the

[1:54:39] United States you said but it pulverizes those those trees down into literally

[1:54:45] mulch. We watched chunks of concrete go through there without even dogging it

[1:54:48] down. But that's an expense. But the idea there is is that that would allow

[1:54:52] us to to take, you know, all of that debris and compound it and basically

[1:54:58] extend the life of that that area out there.

[1:55:01] » You know, there there's a lot of things like that that are being looked at. No

[1:55:04] decisions have been made on that yet, but uh that that would be another huge

[1:55:08] investment that we would be able to use for those those kind of things. So, you

[1:55:11] know, there's a lot going on. I'm grateful for for my trash being taken

[1:55:15] out uh when my son decides to get it to the curb. I appreciate that. Um but, you

[1:55:21] know, we uh >> Well, if you look if you look at the at

[1:55:24] the paper you gave us, you are half the price of the cheapest

[1:55:30] » uh anywhere around. So, the leasing that land out there has helped prior

[1:55:36] immensely. Well, the agreement was $200 a month to lease that land.

[1:55:42] » And there were so many situations where picking up the trash downtown, you know,

[1:55:48] we make sure we pick that up before the traffic ever starts

[1:55:52] » before we don't interfere in the in downtown traffic. If there's a parade,

[1:55:57] those cans are full. >> And so there's there's a lot of things.

[1:56:01] I mean, we take care of mud. Uh there's a lot of things that we do

[1:56:06] that I live here. >> I mean [snorts]

[1:56:12] I'm 7 almost 73 years old. I spent almost as old as Bruce

[1:56:16] » almost. [laughter] >> Terry, you had a call.

[1:56:20] » Let me ask one more question. >> Sure.

[1:56:22] » Can I get a current city of fire map? >> Yeah. So we can get that for you. Um,

[1:56:30] and then just, you know, to everybody while we're on that, remember that all

[1:56:33] records requests do not go through Jay. They actually go through Hannah's

[1:56:36] office. So, if you've got one, make sure you're hitting her up for that so that

[1:56:39] she can >> she can she can go there.

[1:56:42] » Be very helpful. I

[1:56:44] » And that's per Hannah's request intentionally. We just didn't

[1:56:48] » sir >> in the past whenever there was annexing

[1:56:51] we were notified that this area had been annexed in

[1:56:55] » and that's how we adjusted to what we need to do right

[1:57:01] now. We don't we went on Google map and it's not clear exactly where the city

[1:57:07] limit >> well the concern came from multiple

[1:57:10] complaints that I had received and so uh I don't know I think a lot of it boils

[1:57:16] down to communication >> and you know this council can change up

[1:57:20] to 50% every every year and so we have contracts from 1989 or 2000 whenever

[1:57:27] whenever they started and you know the frust frustrating part is you want to be

[1:57:34] able to take people at their at face value. And when you don't think you can

[1:57:38] do that, then you're stuck for 24 to 48 hours pilering through everything

[1:57:42] yourself. And by the way, I I apologize. That's me. I was responding to Jay's

[1:57:49] emails that she had already sent out. It was I didn't mean to just strictly go to

[1:57:53] her like that, just out of the blue, but she had sent stuff out and I said, "Oh,

[1:57:56] hey, by the way, this Oh, hey." and it just got out of hand. So, I apologize

[1:58:00] for that. But anyway, >> Terry, you had you were explaining

[1:58:04] everything that you did. >> You know, one thing that I was going

[1:58:06] when Terry Terry's been working on the museum,

[1:58:11] » you call me, we come, we set dumpsters, whatever we need to do to help you

[1:58:16] improve that building and stuff like that. So, it's it's a partnership, guys.

[1:58:21] » That's what boils down to partnership. >> You're absolutely right.

[1:58:25] » And the partnership is on this. [laughter]

[1:58:29] I I've had a relationship with Bill for almost 38 years now. We served on the

[1:58:34] city council together and we went through a trash contract back that time

[1:58:37] period, too. >> Bill has been nothing but had the best

[1:58:41] interest of this community >> in his heart back then when he was on

[1:58:45] the council >> when he was getting involved in this

[1:58:48] trash business. And I there is no doubt in my mind that builds more is 100%

[1:58:54] prior. >> Amen. [clears throat]

[1:58:56] » People can re When you're dealing with the public,

[1:59:00] you're going to make mistakes. People's going to get upset.

[1:59:03] » You get people get bad reps and everything, but Bill Endsmore is

[1:59:08] top-notch in my opinion. I've got had a really good report with him like he had

[1:59:13] said on that and I've had some issues with I some of y'all don't know this but

[1:59:18] we've had city trash dumpsters that have been at city buildings that I've noticed

[1:59:23] that have completely rusted out and the trash and garbage is just licking

[1:59:28] through it. All it took was a text message or a phone call to Bill and

[1:59:32] said, "Can you all replace this dumpster?" And he had it done with this

[1:59:35] within an hour. >> Right.

[1:59:37] » And and I've got his cell phone number. I'm sure he would privately give it to

[1:59:40] any of you all if you had a complaint to call him up and just simply say, "Bill,

[1:59:46] this neighborhood out here didn't get their trash service twice a week. Can

[1:59:50] you fix that?" And I'm sure he would say, "Yes, he would."

[1:59:52] » I agree. and and and I know that I've had some problem. There's some elderly

[1:59:57] folks up in the northwest part of town had some problems about a year or two

[2:00:01] ago and complained about the an elderly lady that couldn't get her trash picked

[2:00:05] up out the she couldn't take it out to the curb. He called her, I called him,

[2:00:10] he had it taken care of and she was very happy within just about 30 minutes or

[2:00:14] so. And I think it was on a Saturday if I remember right. But uh but anyway,

[2:00:19] that being said, thank you for coming up here and explaining that. I appreciate

[2:00:22] you and Jimmy what you did. I've always said that you've got to know and

[2:00:26] understand the past to help plan for the future and giving us a background on how

[2:00:31] all this came about. I think it's very vital to us. That being said, I just

[2:00:36] have one more question. I have a question. The issue came [laughter] up

[2:00:39] in the issue that it came up in in May of 2022 about the fuel adjustment.

[2:00:46] » Yes. >> And I tried to find some documentation

[2:00:50] on that online. the website. A lot of stuff's gone from back then. I had to go

[2:00:55] back to the the paper and it had mentioned back then in the paper that if

[2:01:01] the fuel fell below, I believe $3.50 a gallon for diesel fuel, then things

[2:01:08] would be relooked at again. >> Well, we've had that on and fuel is way

[2:01:13] down now. So, what is this? What is the policy and the plan for that?

[2:01:17] » What is it? I can answer that way. [laughter]

[2:01:22] » So when we met back then >> everybody uh of course diesel prices

[2:01:27] prices were really high. So the way the structure was set out is if and I'm if

[2:01:32] it's between the 30-day average I'll go on whenever

[2:01:37] I'm setting the fuel cost adjustments. I'll go on the um

[2:01:40] » AAA and hit up the Tulsa website look at the 30-day average print that off. If

[2:01:45] it's between $2 and $3, it's 3%. No, sorry. Two and $3 is 4%. If the 30-day

[2:01:52] average is between No, $2 to $3 4% $3 to $4 6% 4 to5 8%.

[2:02:02] Anything over five, we're going to relook at it because at that time,

[2:02:04] everybody knows that the prices were through the roof. And honestly, it's

[2:02:08] this is the first month it's been under $3 in 30 days for quite some time. So

[2:02:14] it'll be at 4%. >> Yeah.

[2:02:17] » So it is fluctuating. >> It fluctuates. Yeah. It hasn't been

[2:02:21] » It's been It's kind of been like a flat line 6%, but normally it's 4%. But um

[2:02:26] » I was going to say, mayor, not a big fan of social media and surveys because

[2:02:31] you're going to get people that don't even live here. That's going to hit

[2:02:33] them. So, what I would say is if you can wait a couple months, if you guys could

[2:02:39] come up with a little survey, you can put them in our bill. If you print them

[2:02:44] off and then I'll call the mailer and say, "Hey, put this in our bill. Deliver

[2:02:48] them to Tulsa." >> We'll do that.

[2:02:50] » But I'm just going to be let you know if I send out 5,000 bills, you might get

[2:02:55] 300 returns. >> Yeah.

[2:02:56] » So, you're >> we'll get something together. But and

[2:03:00] then if there's any cost that's associated because normally one sheet of

[2:03:04] paper doesn't cost anything because I'm already somebody's already printing it

[2:03:06] out. What cost me is printing it and getting it delivered. So

[2:03:09] » well that'll be more people than both. So

[2:03:12] » I I think if if you guys print them out and if there's any additional costs that

[2:03:15] are added on I don't think because this is huge for the city because

[2:03:20] » I mean we're the only one like Bill said in Oklahoma that does twice a week,

[2:03:25] right? I mean, and it's it's great, don't get me wrong, but it's hard on

[2:03:29] them. So, but our bills have already start go

[2:03:34] start started going out now for zone one's closed out. We got zone two and

[2:03:36] three. So, you be receiving your March one bills. So, you actually we wouldn't

[2:03:41] be able to put it in until the middle of March. So, when you start getting that,

[2:03:44] so that's when your April 1 bills are due and we'll start collecting them and

[2:03:48] then we'll ship them down to you and you guys can do your little statistics and

[2:03:52] go there. But, you know, I'm just saying >> we'll put something together.

[2:03:56] » Don't expect a lot of stuff because I send bills out stuff about every about

[2:04:01] three years on natural gas awareness and ask questions and surveys and all that.

[2:04:04] And >> it's a rule of 20%, right?

[2:04:07] » It's less than 10%. >> It's like six to eight. But yeah, just

[2:04:11] get with Jose and I'll let them know. And um but yeah,

[2:04:16] » get it. >> Facebook, social media surveys are

[2:04:20] » all right. >> Mayor.

[2:04:21] » Yes, sir. I think with the way the motion is

[2:04:26] that if we go ahead and pass that that we can get all of our facts and figures

[2:04:31] together. Everybody can look at what they want to and get this on the

[2:04:34] » Yeah. So, we take a vote for no action tonight.

[2:04:37] » Yeah. >> And you guys see where we're at with it.

[2:04:39] So, uh that said, let's call for the vote.

[2:04:42] » Traml, >> yes.

[2:04:45] [laughter] >> Yes.

[2:04:48] » Smith, >> yes.

[2:04:49] » Mark, >> yes. Shopire,

[2:04:51] » yes. >> Bradshaw,

[2:04:53] » yes. Bashers, >> yes.

[2:04:55] » Tyler, >> yes.

[2:04:57] » Thank you, Bill. [laughter]

[2:05:02] » Charles, I appreciate your fine. >> All right. Uh, item six, committee

[2:05:08] reports. Thank you, Bill. Budget and personnel.

[2:05:12] » Thank you. >> You want Thanks, Bill. Did you tell

[2:05:19] » Shire? >> Yes.

[2:05:21] » Budget and personnel >> 10th.

[2:05:25] » All right. Uh ordinance insurance >> 331

[2:05:29] [clears throat] >> and street maintenance

[2:05:32] » next Tuesday the 24th. >> Do you still need uh infrastructure

[2:05:36] there? >> Yes. [snorts]

[2:05:42] » Specifically Dale or can we do Charles? Does it matter?

[2:05:45] » Probably doesn't matter. >> Okay, [snorts] we can talk about that

[2:05:47] later. >> Yeah.

[2:05:48] » Uh I don't have any unforeseeable business. Do I have a motion to adjurnn?

[2:05:52] » Motion. >> Second.

[2:05:53] » I got a motion from Choya and a second from Brashier.

[2:05:59] » Call for the vote. >> Steve,

[2:06:01] » uh yes. >> Smith,

[2:06:03] » yes. >> Yes.

[2:06:05] » Shshire, >> yes.

[2:06:06] » Bradshaw, >> yes.

[2:06:07] » Bashers, >> yes.

[2:06:09] » Tyler, >> yes.

[2:06:10] » Traml, >> yes.

[2:06:13] seconds. We're journed.

[2:06:18] » Next, >> public works.

[2:06:20] » Well, you know what? I was excited. All right, we'll call to order. I'm

[2:06:25] » skipping numbers. Missing. All right, call to order the prior public works

[2:06:29] authority. Approve the minutes of this February 3rd.

[2:06:33] » 2026 meeting. >> Motion.

[2:06:36] » We could keep it down a little bit, please. I have a motion from Troy and a

[2:06:40] second from Steve. Call for the vote. >> Did you say Steve?

[2:06:46] » Steve B. >> Steven Brown.

[2:06:50] » Fifth. >> Yes.

[2:06:52] » Lamar, >> yes.

[2:06:53] » Shire, >> yes.

[2:06:54] » Bradshaw, >> yes.

[2:06:55] » Rasher, >> yes.

[2:06:57] » Tyler, >> yes.

[2:06:58] » Laml, >> yes.

[2:07:00] » Steve, >> yes.

[2:07:02] » Approve claims for purchase orders for the Prior Public Works Authority through

[2:07:05] February 17th, 2026. >> Motion.

[2:07:09] » Motion from Bashers and a second from >> Choya. Mhm.

[2:07:12] » Call for the vote.

[2:07:16] » Lamar, >> yes.

[2:07:17] » Shire, >> yes.

[2:07:19] » Brad, >> yes.

[2:07:20] » Shears, >> yes.

[2:07:22] » Tyler, >> yes.

[2:07:23] » Shaml, >> yes.

[2:07:24] » Steve, >> uh, yes.

[2:07:26] » Smith, >> yes.

[2:07:29] » Um, do I have a motion to adjurnn? >> Motion.

[2:07:32] » Motion from Steve and a second from Brashiers.

[2:07:35] » You can call for that vote when you're ready.

[2:07:38] » Baseball games. Shire,

[2:07:42] » yes. >> Bradshaw,

[2:07:43] » yes. >> Yes.

[2:07:45] » Tyler, >> yes.

[2:07:47] » Yes. >> Steve,

[2:07:49] » yes. >> Smith,

[2:07:50] » yes. >> Amar,

[2:07:52] » yes. >> Done.

[2:07:54] » You need to give some back.

City of Pryor Creek - City Council Meeting - February 17, 2026

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