[2:21] and

[4:21] go

[4:25] All right, good morning.

[4:25] >> I will now call the special

[4:29] City Council meeting on Monday

[4:30] JULY 13th, 2026 to order Clerk

[4:31] Please call the roll

[4:34] The Council PRESIDENT Council

[4:35] Member Campbell here Council

[4:36] Member Whitburn Council Member

[4:40] Foster Council Member Ron

[4:40] Wolper Present Council

[4:45] PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee here

[4:45] Council Member Campion here

[4:46] Council Member Moreno Council

[4:49] Member Ella Rivera and Council

[4:50] PRESIDENT LaCava present also

[4:53] attending the meeting are City

[4:54] Attorney Heather Ferber,

[4:55] independent budget analyst

[4:55] Charles Monica and myself.

[4:59] Your city clerk Diana Fuentes.

[4:59] Thank you.

[5:00] Council PRESIDENT All right,

[5:00] thank you.

[5:01] City Clerk Quorum is now

[5:03] present.

[5:03] We will begin this morning with

[5:04] an invocation by Clark 20th

[5:05] followed with the land

[5:07] acknowledging and the Pledge of

[5:08] Allegiance led by council

[5:12] member Whitburn Grant those who

[5:13] hold office in this city

[5:17] the spirit of wisdom, charity

[5:18] and justice that was steadfast

[5:19] purpose They MAY faithfully

[5:22] serve in their offices to

[5:23] promote the well-being of all

[5:27] people.

[5:27] We respectfully acknowledge

[5:28] that the combination or

[5:28] the original inhabitants of

[5:33] the unseated land out of

[5:34] the San Diego despite enduring

[5:34] the horrors of genocide and

[5:37] call it as said the Kobe spirit

[5:37] remains unbroken.

[5:38] We are the resilience of their

[5:42] ancestors who fight to protect

[5:42] their culture and land today

[5:43] They carry their legacy forward

[5:44] ensuring that their traditions

[5:47] continue to thrive and

[5:48] gratitude and strength We stand

[5:48] with the nation connected to

[5:52] our past and committed to a

[5:52] thriving future.

[5:57] Please raise the flag ready

[5:58] again for the flag of

[6:01] the United States of America

[6:02] and to the Republic for which

[6:06] it stands One nation under GOD,

[6:07] indivisible with liberty and

[6:11] justice for all Without City

[6:16] Clerk please go over how

[6:17] the public can offer their

[6:17] testimony.

[6:17] >> Thank you.

[6:18] Council PRESIDENT I'd like to

[6:19] highlight the site on

[6:21] the screen that reviews how

[6:21] the public can offer their

[6:22] public testimony during today's

[6:22] meeting.

[6:23] If you are in person please

[6:26] complete the speaker slip

[6:26] located at the entrance of

[6:27] chambers and bring it to

[6:28] the front of the room For those

[6:30] that have submitted we do not

[6:31] have any organized presentation

[6:32] submitted for the closed

[6:35] session agenda this morning.

[6:36] No further in-person testimony

[6:36] will be taken once the Council

[6:40] begins virtual testimony for

[6:41] better meeting management

[6:41] purposes each speaker will have

[6:42] one minute per item per person

[6:45] up to a maximum of three

[6:45] minutes if there are three or

[6:46] more items.

[6:46] Thank you.

[6:50] Council PRESIDENT All right.

[6:50] Thank you for that.

[6:51] And as a reminder when you're

[6:52] speaking to items on

[6:55] the agenda, please focus your

[6:55] comments on that item not

[6:56] agenda public comments where

[6:59] you can speak more freely

[7:00] anything under the city's

[7:00] purview.

[7:01] So with that clerk please read

[7:04] the closed session items into

[7:05] the record.

[7:05] Thank you.

[7:06] Council PRESIDENT Conferences

[7:06] Legal Counsel Existing

[7:09] litigation pursuant to

[7:09] California Government Code

[7:13] Section 5495 6.91 is scs1 Sara

[7:14] Hazelwood versus Board of

[7:17] Trustees of the Cal State

[7:18] University at all and c.

[7:22] S three JANUARY 22nd 2024

[7:22] Flooding Litigation Conference

[7:23] with Legal Counsel Anticipated

[7:26] litigation Initiation of

[7:27] litigation pursuant to

[7:30] California Government Code

[7:30] Section 54956.9 d for sc As for

[7:35] number of cases one.

[7:36] Conference with Legal Counsel

[7:36] Existing litigation pursuant to

[7:39] California Government Code

[7:40] Section 5495 6.91 c as United

[7:44] States of America versus City

[7:44] of San Diego sc a six Condon

[7:51] Johnson and Associates Inc at

[7:52] all versus Flat Iron West at

[7:52] all and c.

[7:53] S seven Toia Hisor Welch versus

[7:53] City of San Diego.

[7:57] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

[7:57] right.

[7:57] >> Thank you.

[7:58] All right.

[7:58] Thank you.

[7:59] And with that please proceed

[7:59] with public comment.

[8:02] We have Maximilian Schmidt here

[8:03] in Council chambers.

[8:03] If you can please come up to

[8:04] the microphone.

[8:06] You will have three minutes.

[8:15] You're speaking on all of them

[8:20] All.

[8:21] Hi.

[8:22] I wanted to say that I am a

[8:25] human rights activist and also

[8:26] a government dissident so I

[8:30] wanted to apologize if my First

[8:31] Amendment comes off as direct

[8:35] on the United States District

[8:35] Court.

[8:39] District court is hearing this

[8:40] case about Americans with

[8:44] disabilities and sdsu And I

[8:45] honestly believe that in my

[8:50] opinion and with my First

[8:50] Amendment right the United

[8:54] States District Court should

[8:59] suspend hearing this on until

[9:04] until should not hear any more

[9:04] trials until a state of

[9:08] emergency a discussion item is

[9:09] created and heard on and also a

[9:14] public service announcement is

[9:15] made concerning the efficacy of

[9:15] the court group rituals to read

[9:18] someone's mind because people

[9:19] are getting harassed and

[9:20] becoming confused and driven to

[9:23] madness across the world

[9:24] playing big problems.

[9:25] >> That's my opinion on that

[9:32] case For the 57 flooding cases

[9:33] where the city of San Diego is

[9:38] getting sued concerned in

[9:38] the rainstorms that happened on

[9:43] on JANUARY 22nd 24 on with my

[9:48] First Amendment right and in my

[9:49] personal opinion I honestly

[9:52] believe that the city of San

[9:57] Diego should put all lawsuits

[9:57] on hold until a simple public

[10:01] service announcement State of

[10:02] emergency and agenda item is

[10:07] created and heard on talking

[10:07] about how the efficacy of

[10:08] the code group rituals to read

[10:11] people's mind because people

[10:12] are being severely harassed and

[10:12] confused and driven to madness

[10:16] And I believe there's confusion

[10:17] and priorities And for the case

[10:21] of the United States of America

[10:22] versus the city of San Diego,

[10:25] I'm in the Navy lawsuit about

[10:30] the Nazi boat channel on I

[10:31] honestly believe with my First

[10:36] Amendment that this is a trial

[10:36] being heard by the United

[10:37] States District Court.

[10:41] I honestly think as a citizen

[10:45] of San Diego who's witnessed

[10:46] the severity of the elephant in

[10:50] the room that the United States

[10:51] District Court should pause

[10:55] hearing trials until a public

[10:56] service announcement, state of

[11:01] emergency and on discussion

[11:01] agenda item is heard and

[11:02] created about the efficacy of

[11:06] the culture rituals to read

[11:06] people's mind because people

[11:11] are getting harassed and

[11:11] confused and German to madness

[11:12] in every city across the world

[11:13] including San Diego And I

[11:16] believe that on this could even

[11:16] be trying to cover that up in a

[11:22] way because this is such a big

[11:22] issue that's going on in

[11:23] the world.

[11:23] >> Thank you for that

[11:24] concluding statement.

[11:25] I'm sorry of the five minute

[11:26] time we're going to those

[11:27] participating remotely starting

[11:28] with 8700 if you can please.

[11:30] And mute and let me know which

[11:31] item or items you wish to speak

[11:35] to Item one, three, five and

[11:36] seven please.

[11:39] You'll have three minutes.

[11:40] >> Please proceed.

[11:45] Number one alleged violation of

[11:46] ada sidewalks, crosswalks and

[11:50] roadways are dangerous for all

[11:51] of us yet the disabled are

[11:56] the most vulnerable Yet our

[11:56] city has a structural budget

[12:00] deficit that is over 20 years

[12:01] ongoing.

[12:05] You too are vulnerable.

[12:06] Where is the money going to

[12:11] come from to help keep our

[12:12] young people safe and so they

[12:17] too can enjoy our beautiful

[12:17] city.

[12:18] Number three the perfect storm

[12:22] flooding The evidence against

[12:23] the city is strong yet I call

[12:28] it a natural disaster Nature

[12:33] versus people to settle this

[12:34] you must show that you care.

[12:39] Use the spirit of the law and

[12:40] seek the balance of give and

[12:40] take on both sides.

[12:46] Number five and the city I read

[12:50] the gov info on this matter.

[12:50] It's about 16 pages of history.

[12:56] It seems like a long playing

[12:56] chess game to me.

[13:01] The a the memorandum of excuse

[13:02] me the memo a of a memorandum

[13:06] of agreement seems to be

[13:06] the strongest support for

[13:11] the city.

[13:12] The Navy says it cost them 16

[13:13] million to do the work on

[13:17] the channel.

[13:17] My direction is to keep

[13:22] fighting and I pray I pray

[13:23] the city has the better legal

[13:23] team.

[13:27] Number seven correcting

[13:28] delinquent parking tickets.

[13:33] I am concerned about this case

[13:34] if it relates to a

[13:39] Union-Tribune article I read

[13:40] not long ago could it mushroom

[13:44] into many other cases?

[13:45] It seems that the letter of

[13:49] the law will prevail on this

[13:49] one.

[13:50] Blessings on all of these cases

[13:56] of a beautiful day and love to

[13:57] all.

[13:57] >> Thank you.

[13:58] Next is Blair Beekman.

[14:02] If you can please unmute and

[14:02] let me know which item or items

[14:03] you wish to speak to.

[14:06] >> I Blair Beekman Items one

[14:11] three, five and seven Please

[14:11] proceed.

[14:12] >> You have two minutes.

[14:12] Thank you.

[14:20] I Blair be happy Monday for

[14:27] the first item is about actions

[14:28] of a person trying to use or

[14:33] using disabilities Act asking

[14:33] about sidewalks, crosswalks and

[14:34] roadways in a city in San Diego

[14:39] State area If tech

[14:40] accountability can be any help

[14:44] to help mediate the situation

[14:45] or what the future of

[14:46] the situation can be about.

[14:51] And good luck in that effort.

[14:52] Tech MAY be around this item

[14:52] and the policies of tech

[14:57] accountability MAY be can be of

[14:58] help in some small way in

[14:58] helping decide and understand

[14:59] this issue better.

[15:03] Good luck in such efforts for

[15:04] item number three including

[15:09] litigation and good luck in

[15:09] working this out together

[15:15] acknowledging city's faults in

[15:15] concept and trying to mediate a

[15:16] middle ground between

[15:16] everybody.

[15:21] Good luck in that effort.

[15:26] But he said events for I see

[15:31] five process five this this is

[15:32] the Department of Navy and know

[15:37] argument with the city of San

[15:38] Diego that joy really described

[15:42] well thank you for her

[15:42] description and her ideas and

[15:49] feelings on the matter and yeah

[15:50] economy it seems clear to me

[15:50] this is an old argument

[15:54] actually is the port of San

[15:55] Diego involved with this

[15:56] The Port Authority of San Diego

[16:00] whatever their name is, are

[16:01] they involved with this also to

[16:06] help mediate the process?

[16:06] It seems like hopefully

[16:07] something can eventually be

[16:08] resolved with this And good

[16:12] luck in the process of doing

[16:13] that.

[16:13] I don't know the depth of

[16:14] the issue and working these

[16:18] things out are important.

[16:18] Good luck and finding the way

[16:19] to do that.

[16:19] Possibly the Port Authority can

[16:25] be of help to the committee and

[16:25] and and yeah there's new Port

[16:30] Authority staff good luck in

[16:31] that sort of effort with who

[16:33] used to work for the city by

[16:38] the way so that can be helpful

[16:45] for number seven item working

[16:46] on delinquent parking tickets

[16:46] Good luck on trying to practice

[16:52] concepts of equity with with

[16:52] the sort of parking ticket

[16:53] items finding new forms of good

[16:57] equity practices The work we've

[16:57] done with towing in

[16:58] the downtown area of San Diego

[17:04] and an overall you've done

[17:04] really good work with that.

[17:05] Thank you.

[17:05] And that I think could be a

[17:11] good model for an item such as

[17:11] this and future parking issues,

[17:12] the parking ticket issues

[17:12] overall.

[17:16] So good luck with this item.

[17:17] >> Thank you.

[17:17] Thank you.

[17:18] That does include public

[17:18] comment and closed session.

[17:19] All right.

[17:21] Thank you City clerk now we

[17:22] will adjourn as the city

[17:22] council to convene for a

[17:23] special housing authority

[17:24] meeting to take public comment

[17:27] on the housing authority closed

[17:28] session item or please read

[17:28] the Housing Authority closed

[17:29] session item into the record.

[17:33] Thank you.

[17:33] Council PRESIDENT Corporate

[17:34] Legal Counsel Anticipated

[17:35] Litigation Initiation of

[17:35] litigation between California

[17:39] Government Code Section 5495

[17:39] 6.94 Special Housing Authority

[17:44] Closed Session one at number of

[17:44] cases one All right Without for

[17:49] you Excuse me.

[17:50] Proceed with public comment.

[17:51] Maximillian Schmidt, if you can

[17:51] please come forward.

[17:54] You'll have one minute to speak

[18:06] on this one item on Hi again.

[18:07] I want to say that I'm a human

[18:07] rights activist and

[18:08] self-proclaimed government

[18:11] dissident so my approach MAY

[18:17] seem unorthodox but I honestly

[18:18] believe with my First Amendment

[18:19] and in my opinion that

[18:22] the housing authority on should

[18:29] suspend hearing any any cases

[18:29] until a public service

[18:30] announcement State of emergency

[18:35] and agenda discussion item is

[18:35] created and heard concerning

[18:36] the efficacy of the core group

[18:37] rituals to read people's mind

[18:40] because people are getting

[18:41] confused and being even driven

[18:41] to insanity in every city

[18:46] across the world And we need to

[18:47] help save human life and souls

[18:52] and on That's all I have to say

[18:58] concerning that And again I am

[18:59] a human rights activist and I'm

[18:59] going to press for this

[19:05] discussion Item two on Be heard

[19:05] at City Hall.

[19:06] >> Thank you for the five

[19:06] minute time we're going to

[19:11] those participating remotely in

[19:11] 700 If you can please unmute

[19:12] You'll have one minute.

[19:16] >> Please proceed.

[19:17] Thank you so much.

[19:18] I know that you're following

[19:24] the Brown Act on that and I

[19:24] really appreciate the Brown Act

[19:25] and how that works for our city

[19:30] government.

[19:31] So I just wanted to say that I

[19:32] don't and I don't say this

[19:35] lightly MAY the force be with

[19:36] you blessings on this process

[19:41] of decision making.

[19:42] I don't know what's involved

[19:43] but I just have sort of an

[19:48] unsettled feeling inside of me

[19:49] And I hope I hope that there's

[19:49] a need to be there.

[19:54] So again, blessings on this and

[19:55] I appreciate all of your work

[19:59] you very much pulling in all of

[20:00] you.

[20:00] These are Office of the City

[20:01] attorney.

[20:01] Thank you so much for your

[20:02] work.

[20:05] You're right.

[20:06] There are silent heroes all

[20:06] the time.

[20:10] So thank you so much to all.

[20:11] >> Thank you.

[20:11] That does conclude public

[20:12] comment on closed session.

[20:12] All right.

[20:13] Thank you, city clerk And we

[20:17] will now adjourn as the housing

[20:18] authority and reconvene as

[20:18] the city council.

[20:19] We will now recess in session

[20:21] and reconvene council today at

[23:02] the I'm Manuel Pereira.

[23:07] >> I have only muted you if you

[23:13] can do a quick mic check them.

[23:14] Yes we can hear you okay Thank

[25:15] you so much

[27:00] And that

[27:00] just so people

[27:01] wondering what's going on in

[27:01] the morning session that

[27:05] normally interview ended at 145

[27:10] also the reason some of my

[27:11] colleagues have not shown up

[27:14] yet and because the first thing

[27:14] we're going to do is we're

[27:15] going to hear potential

[27:16] candidates for appointment to

[27:16] the Commission on Police

[27:20] Practices.

[27:21] I think it's a courtesy for us

[27:22] to wait until the council

[27:22] members as possible connection

[27:27] with your posting.

[27:28] So that's one reason I haven't

[27:28] started the meeting even though

[28:54] we've got important So okay

[28:55] .

[30:04] And

[31:26] then and

[31:27] All right, thank

[31:27] you everyone for your patience.

[31:28] >> Good afternoon.

[31:32] I will now reconvene

[31:33] the special City Council

[31:33] meeting on Monday JULY 13th,

[31:34] 2026.

[31:38] Please call the roll.

[31:39] I'm sorry.

[31:39] Thank you.

[31:40] Council PRESIDENT Council

[31:46] member Campbell Council Member

[31:46] Whitburn, Councilmember Foster

[31:50] and Councilmember Bunuel for

[31:51] Council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee

[31:52] Council Member campeon

[31:57] Councilmember Moreno,

[31:58] Councilmember Isla Rivera and

[31:59] Council PRESIDENT McGovern also

[31:59] attending the meeting our

[32:03] assistant city Attorney Leslie

[32:04] Fitzgerald, independent budget

[32:04] analyst Charles Monica and

[32:05] myself your city clerk Diana

[32:05] Fuentes.

[32:06] Thank you.

[32:09] Council PRESIDENT.

[32:10] All right.

[32:10] Real quickly, are there any

[32:11] comments from the mayor's

[32:12] office, council member, city

[32:15] attorney and the budget analyst

[32:16] city clerk not seeing any one

[32:16] move along So the clerk will

[32:21] now go over how the public can

[32:22] offer their testimony this

[32:22] afternoon.

[32:23] Thank you.

[32:23] I'd like to highlight the slide

[32:28] on the screen that does review

[32:29] how the public know for their

[32:29] public testimony during this

[32:30] afternoon's meeting The order

[32:31] can be found on the agenda

[32:33] Summary found online or at

[32:34] the table in the back of

[32:34] the room.

[32:35] If you are in person please

[32:36] complete the speaker So look it

[32:39] at the entrance of chambers and

[32:39] bring it to the front of

[32:40] the room.

[32:40] Council ambassadors are

[32:41] available near the entrance of

[32:42] chambers and can assist with

[32:45] questions and speaker slips.

[32:45] No further in-person testimony

[32:46] will be taken once the council

[32:50] begins virtual testimony and I

[32:51] would like to note that we did

[32:52] not receive any organized

[32:52] presentation for any of

[32:53] the items on this afternoon's

[32:57] agenda.

[32:58] Thank you Council PRESIDENT All

[32:58] right.

[32:59] Thank you.

[32:59] And as a reminder when you're

[33:00] speaking to an item on

[33:01] the agenda, please focus your

[33:03] attention on that agenda item

[33:04] and we will have an agenda

[33:04] public comment at the end of

[33:10] this afternoon session.

[33:10] So with that.

[33:11] Clerk please introduce item 601

[33:11] Thank you.

[33:14] Item six I wanted

[33:15] the consideration of

[33:16] appointments to the Commission

[33:16] on Police Practices.

[33:17] This item is not subject to

[33:20] the Mayor's veto.

[33:20] >> All right.

[33:21] Thank you.

[33:22] So prior to taking public

[33:26] comment per council policy zero

[33:26] dash 13 we will hear from each

[33:31] candidate and each council

[33:32] member will have an opportunity

[33:32] to ask questions.

[33:33] Following that the city clerk

[33:38] will review the process for

[33:39] balloting prior to council

[33:39] members voting to fill

[33:40] the vacant seats.

[33:43] Candidates that are listed on

[33:44] the staff report for this item

[33:45] will be called up by the clerk

[33:50] by clerk printed by name and

[33:50] who will also name which

[33:51] categories they are a candidate

[33:51] for.

[33:56] We will now allow each

[33:56] candidate to make a two minute

[33:57] presentation regarding their

[33:57] nomination.

[34:01] Please proceed.

[34:02] Thank you.

[34:02] Council PRESIDENT We'll be

[34:03] taking the candidates in

[34:04] alphabetical order by first

[34:08] name and each candidate as

[34:08] mentioned will have two minutes

[34:09] which I will time And you can

[34:10] see on the timer there we will

[34:13] begin with candidate Arianna

[34:14] Dixit who has been nominated

[34:15] for the At-Large and Youth

[34:15] category seats.

[34:19] Please come up to the podium.

[34:20] You will have two minutes And

[34:21] just for meeting management if

[34:26] I can have it Crystal Van

[34:27] Francisco Peralta Vargas Hemant

[34:32] Kumar The Comptroller.

[34:32] James Tyrrell.

[34:33] Roland Martin Diego's Munoz

[34:39] Kelly Freshener Michael Allen

[34:39] Scott Rodriguez and Rashida

[34:40] Lamar.

[34:43] I mean it.

[34:44] Please all come up to the front

[34:45] row so that you can come up to

[34:49] the podium a little bit easier

[34:49] .

[34:50] >> You will have two minutes.

[34:51] Please proceed.

[34:51] Thank you.

[34:51] Good evening.

[34:56] My name is r Index and I am a

[34:57] student at uc San Diego as well

[35:01] as the resident of District one

[35:02] .

[35:03] I'm here tonight to ask you all

[35:03] for your appointment to

[35:07] the youth seat as well as

[35:08] the At-Large seat for

[35:09] the Commissioner of Police

[35:13] practices Mainly because right

[35:14] now in the past couple of years

[35:15] I've been a part of various

[35:15] organizations supporting civil

[35:19] liberties and police

[35:20] accountability in San Diego.

[35:20] In the past I was on the Police

[35:25] Accountability Board for the uc

[35:26] San Diego Police Department

[35:27] where I used to perform many of

[35:27] the same kinds of activities

[35:31] that the commission does.

[35:32] I mentioned intending to

[35:32] represent youth from diverse

[35:37] and marginalized populations

[35:38] from the city as best as I can

[35:39] because I am also the PRESIDENT

[35:43] And co-founder of the Student

[35:44] Civil Liberties Union that

[35:45] focuses work in District one,

[35:49] three, eight and nine

[35:49] respectively.

[35:50] Furthermore, I have a proven

[35:50] track record with engaging

[35:55] youth in order to get them to

[35:56] care about and also work with

[35:56] institutions such as the police

[35:57] and also understand hold police

[36:01] accountable.

[36:02] I've done so with youth groups,

[36:03] have done so with aapi groups

[36:03] through the Asian Pacific

[36:04] Theater Alliance in the city

[36:07] and through the sd api

[36:07] coalition.

[36:08] So I think right now in general

[36:13] I'm unpacking and trying to get

[36:13] this nomination mainly because

[36:14] I'm intending to bring a sense

[36:18] of greater accountability to

[36:19] the police system but also to

[36:20] ensure that the institutions

[36:20] that we have are following in

[36:25] line with what voters wanted

[36:26] when they voted on Measure b.

[36:26] I have also received

[36:31] the nomination from

[36:31] the Commission of Police

[36:32] Practice itself to get the seat

[36:33] for the youth youth appointment

[36:37] itself and I would really

[36:38] appreciate all of your

[36:38] consideration for this seat

[36:39] tonight.

[36:43] Thank you so much for your time

[36:43] .

[36:44] >> Thank you.

[36:44] Krystal Van if you can please

[36:45] come up to the podium.

[36:52] Crystal Van.

[36:53] >> All right.

[36:53] Next we will go to Francisco

[36:54] Peralta.

[36:58] I declare council PRESIDENT

[36:59] Council member Francisco

[37:04] Peralta.

[37:05] Reason why I'm here today is

[37:06] because I'm seeking your

[37:06] support to serve at

[37:07] the commission of police

[37:07] practices.

[37:10] I have lived in San Diego, my

[37:16] home for the past 26 years and

[37:17] I have seen my perspective.

[37:18] I lived in this report for

[37:18] seven years.

[37:23] I attended Memorial Academy

[37:23] District eight.

[37:24] I also attended San Diego high

[37:29] schools and your city college

[37:30] there earned a scholarship to

[37:35] attend uc San Diego where I

[37:36] landed and when I finished my

[37:37] bachelor's degree and later

[37:37] most importantly I had an

[37:41] opportunity and a privilege to

[37:42] work for the city of San Diego.

[37:43] I landed an opportunity to be a

[37:48] committed representative for

[37:48] Council District nine.

[37:49] I was representing City Heights

[37:53] neighborhoods and within

[37:54] anything I actually got to see

[37:55] a lot of the challenges that

[37:55] the city faces every day.

[37:56] It's complicated.

[38:00] I have a complicated job and

[38:00] you know, balancing the budget

[38:01] every year is very complicated.

[38:02] So I got to see and I got an

[38:06] opportunity to see what

[38:06] the what that looks like in

[38:07] real life every day.

[38:12] Like I mention at the beginning

[38:12] I hear seeking your support to

[38:13] serve in the commission.

[38:17] I think between my lived

[38:18] experience, between my

[38:19] professional experience I think

[38:23] I can be a good addition to

[38:24] the commission.

[38:25] >> So once again I hope I can

[38:25] get your support.

[38:26] Thanks so much.

[38:31] Thank you.

[38:32] Thank you.

[38:32] We'll now hear from Canada

[38:33] Command Kamar de Trawler who

[38:35] has been nominated for

[38:36] the Council District two and

[38:37] the At-Large category.

[38:37] Please come up to the podium.

[38:40] We'll have two minutes.

[38:41] >> Please proceed.

[38:41] Good afternoon.

[38:46] Member of City Council.

[38:47] My name is Herman Strada and I

[38:48] need to serve on the commission

[38:52] on Police practice.

[38:53] My role is to help and

[38:54] strengthen the trust between

[38:58] the community and the police

[38:59] department by providing

[38:59] independent oversight.

[39:05] Hungary's transparency and

[39:06] listening to community

[39:06] concerns.

[39:11] I lived in point Loma for 30

[39:11] years.

[39:12] I appreciate the opportunity to

[39:16] serve our city and I look

[39:17] forward to working

[39:18] collaboratively with the city

[39:18] council.

[39:22] The police department and our

[39:23] community to promote fairness,

[39:26] accountability and public

[39:27] trust.

[39:34] >> Thank you for your support.

[39:34] Thank you.

[39:35] We'll now hear from candidate

[39:36] James Tyrrell Overland who has

[39:40] been nominated for the low and

[39:40] moderate income category.

[39:41] Please come up to the podium.

[39:44] You'll have two minutes please.

[39:44] Thank you very much.

[39:51] My name is Jim Rowan and I've

[39:52] been a resident of San Diego

[39:52] since 2006.

[39:57] I have lived in Paradise Hills

[39:57] in southeast San Diego for all

[40:02] 20 of those years Work worked

[40:03] as a senior copywriter for

[40:03] various agencies and

[40:09] enterprises including the and

[40:10] of course We Are Indians.

[40:11] And during that time I was also

[40:11] involved in art and writing

[40:15] communities and served on

[40:15] the board of directors for San

[40:16] Diego Writers Inc and was a

[40:17] member of the Golden Vina Art

[40:20] Collective and Barrio Logan up

[40:21] until the pandemic shutdown.

[40:26] I consider myself to be service

[40:27] oriented, community minded and

[40:27] enthusiastic collaborator And

[40:33] why now is because I now work

[40:33] for myself full time and have

[40:34] you know my daughter recently

[40:38] graduated college so I have

[40:39] the opportunity to honor a full

[40:40] time commitment.

[40:44] I also want to mention I'm a

[40:45] veteran of the us Navy which is

[40:46] what brought me to San Diego in

[40:46] 1986.

[40:50] I served on the uss my accord

[40:51] when I was stationed at Naval

[40:51] Station and 32nd Street.

[40:56] My connection goes back even

[40:56] further to the 60s when my

[40:57] father was in the Swift Boat

[41:02] training in North Island before

[41:03] shipping out to Vietnam And at

[41:03] the risk of oversharing all

[41:08] that I was conceived in

[41:08] Imperial Beach.

[41:09] But during that time, you know

[41:13] in there I wander into too much

[41:14] information.

[41:14] >> Thank you.

[41:15] Thank you.

[41:21] We'll now hear from candidate

[41:21] Martin Gallegos Munoz who has

[41:23] been nominated for the council

[41:23] District eight and the at large

[41:24] category.

[41:28] Please come up to the podium.

[41:29] Has just one thing There was

[41:34] one news.

[41:35] Moving on we will hear from

[41:35] candidate Kelly Fresher who has

[41:40] been nominated for the at large

[41:40] and youth category.

[41:41] Please come to the podium.

[41:41] We'll have two minutes.

[41:45] Thank you very much.

[41:46] Good afternoon everyone.

[41:46] My name is Kelly Rusher.

[41:47] I am a graduate student at uc

[41:47] San Diego.

[41:51] I just finished my second year

[41:52] my first year going into my

[41:53] second year and obtaining a

[41:57] master's in public policy with

[41:57] an emphasis in inequality and

[41:58] social justice.

[41:59] After I graduate I plan to work

[42:03] with and for the police in

[42:03] creating initiatives and

[42:04] policies that emphasize both

[42:09] trust and communication by

[42:10] promoting respect and

[42:10] transparency between police,

[42:11] both police and civilians.

[42:15] Before coming to San Diego I

[42:15] received my undergraduate

[42:16] degree from uc Santa Barbara in

[42:21] sociology with an emphasis in

[42:21] policing.

[42:22] My research there consisted of

[42:26] watching videos pre body cam

[42:27] videos of police interactions

[42:27] between civilians and

[42:28] the police.

[42:33] And understanding the ways that

[42:34] interactions happen creating a

[42:34] playbook of policies and

[42:39] tendencies that police have

[42:39] when dealing with different

[42:40] groups of people.

[42:40] And I also read multiple

[42:46] transcriptions dealing with

[42:46] interviews between civilians

[42:47] sending complaints to Seattle

[42:51] pd and the responding in

[42:52] subsequent interviews that took

[42:53] place between the officers and

[42:57] those civilians.

[42:58] So I would love to have

[42:58] the position to be on this

[43:03] commission because although I

[43:04] have my research background I

[43:04] really want to be able to help

[43:09] the police and to be able to

[43:10] create a more trusting and

[43:10] respectful atmosphere between

[43:15] both police and civilians.

[43:16] And I think that being able to

[43:16] have this hands on experience

[43:17] would be very beneficial for

[43:17] me.

[43:21] I am also a resident of San

[43:22] Diego and I would love

[43:22] the opportunity to be able to

[43:23] participate more in

[43:27] the proceedings of this city.

[43:27] >> So thank you very much.

[43:28] Thank you.

[43:28] We will now hear from Michael

[43:34] Allen Michael Allen has been

[43:34] nominated for the At-Large

[43:35] category and please come up to

[43:38] the podium We'll have two

[43:39] minutes.

[43:39] Good afternoon.

[43:40] Thank you.

[43:40] Members of the city council for

[43:44] your time today as well as your

[43:45] consideration for my

[43:45] application.

[43:46] Over the past 20 years I've

[43:50] spent most of my time focused

[43:51] on building the current

[43:51] business.

[43:52] I've traveled all over

[43:53] the United States and built

[43:56] quite a few different places.

[43:56] And until I placed kind of

[44:01] roots here in San Diego, I

[44:02] didn't realize that the need to

[44:02] serve in the community.

[44:07] And since then I've actually

[44:08] started looking actively for

[44:09] ways to to reach out and give

[44:09] back Since I grew up so much

[44:12] before I really started to see

[44:13] the impact on community members

[44:13] and so forth.

[44:19] So the reason for me asking to

[44:19] be on this advisory board is

[44:20] because I would certainly like

[44:25] the opportunity to be able to

[44:26] listen and give thoughtful

[44:26] feedback and a way to be able

[44:29] to help to make a place for our

[44:30] our city safer and a better

[44:30] place.

[44:31] Thank you.

[44:36] Next we have candidates Scott

[44:36] Rodriguez who has been

[44:37] nominated for the low and

[44:38] moderate income category.

[44:41] Please come up to the podium.

[44:49] Scott Rodriguez, we know we

[44:50] have candidate Rasheeda Lamar

[44:51] who has been nominated for

[44:56] the At-Large and low moderate

[44:56] income category.

[44:57] Please begin your comments

[44:57] already.

[45:01] Many great day for city council

[45:02] and thanks so much for your

[45:02] time.

[45:06] My name is Rashid Ahmed and I

[45:07] am submitting my interest in

[45:07] serving on the Commission on

[45:08] Police Practices.

[45:12] I'm a lifelong resident of San

[45:16] Diego fourth District and I'm

[45:17] the founder of the First

[45:17] Community Empowerment Theater

[45:18] in District four.

[45:21] I've dedicated my entire life

[45:22] to strengthening relationships,

[45:27] restoring trust and creating

[45:27] safer, healthier communities.

[45:28] Through my work I've built up

[45:32] long standing trusted

[45:33] relationships and created

[45:37] safer, healthier communities

[45:38] with residents and community

[45:43] leaders as well as service

[45:44] providers and law enforcement

[45:44] which allows me to understand

[45:48] the perspectives and concerns

[45:48] of all those involved.

[45:49] I'm licensed in restorative

[45:54] practices as a practitioner and

[45:54] trainer that specializes in

[45:59] conflict resolution,

[45:59] de-escalation and restorative

[46:00] dialogs.

[46:04] My work focuses on helping

[46:04] individuals and individuals and

[46:09] institutions navigate difficult

[46:09] situations with accountability,

[46:14] empathy and practical solutions

[46:14] .

[46:15] I have also partnered with law

[46:16] enforcement in the past to help

[46:20] bridge gaps between officers

[46:20] and the communities that they

[46:21] serve.

[46:25] Demonstrating that meaningful

[46:26] collaboration is possible when

[46:30] people are willing to listen

[46:31] and learn from one another.

[46:32] If I'm selected I will bring

[46:35] that community centered

[46:36] perspective grounded in

[46:36] fairness, integrity and

[46:41] restorative principles.

[46:41] I believe every incident

[46:42] presents an opportunity to

[46:46] evaluate not only what occurred

[46:47] but also whether a situation

[46:51] could have been de-escalated,

[46:52] handled differently or resolved

[46:53] in a way that strengthens

[46:57] public trust while supporting

[46:57] officer safety and

[46:58] accountability.

[46:58] >> Thank you.

[47:02] Thank you.

[47:02] Next we'll go to our virtual

[47:07] participant of Emmanuel

[47:07] Barrera.

[47:08] If you can please unmute online

[47:12] and you'll have two minutes

[47:12] actually if you can hold on one

[47:13] second.

[47:17] Can we get the timer up so you

[47:17] can see his two minutes?

[47:18] We're going to put a timer up

[47:21] on the screen so that you can

[47:22] see your timer and manage your

[47:25] time of two minutes.

[47:26] >> Please proceed.

[47:30] Thank you.

[47:31] Thank you to the City Council

[47:35] for allowing me to join

[47:35] virtually.

[47:36] I apologize for not being there

[47:36] in person but I've had a few

[47:42] things come up this morning but

[47:43] many of you MAY know where I

[47:43] live.

[47:44] I'm going to go from seven

[47:44] years entirely in District

[47:48] three and while I and not

[47:49] originally from here and people

[47:50] that made it my adopted home I

[47:53] currently work in marketing and

[47:54] analytics but I did my

[47:54] undergrad at University of

[47:58] California Santa Cruz and I did

[47:58] my grad school at

[47:59] the University of San

[47:59] Francisco.

[48:03] Both schools really put a lot

[48:04] of emphasis on social justice

[48:08] and community service and just

[48:08] trying to give back.

[48:09] So I think what I would like to

[48:13] bring to this commission is

[48:13] exactly that I love it here.

[48:18] I genuinely think of this place

[48:19] as my home to my adopted home

[48:20] and I would really like to

[48:23] strengthen bring the talents I

[48:24] believe I do have which mostly

[48:27] are being objective thinking to

[48:32] leveraging my background to

[48:33] kind of bring that into this

[48:37] commission and provide a fair

[48:37] and unbiased view into their

[48:38] view between the interactions

[48:42] between the community and

[48:43] the senior people.

[48:47] I really believe in the core of

[48:48] this mission of the core

[48:49] mission of this commission and

[48:53] I have believed so since I've

[48:54] first voted on it and arrived

[48:55] here as a new resident And I

[48:57] thought I would like to humbly

[48:57] be considered for this

[49:01] commission and I welcome any

[49:02] and all questions here any any

[49:06] other points But thank you.

[49:07] >> Thank you.

[49:07] That does conclude

[49:11] the presentations from

[49:11] the nominees for this seat.

[49:12] All right.

[49:13] Thank you, City Clerk And you

[49:15] did verify that the three I

[49:20] think that were absent were not

[49:21] online.

[49:21] They are not on.

[49:21] Okay.

[49:22] Thank you for confirming that.

[49:25] So now we'll go to the council

[49:25] members for any questions.

[49:28] Please note per council policy

[49:29] zero Dash 13 This is only an

[49:30] opportunity to ask questions of

[49:34] the candidates.

[49:34] Any comments will be taken

[49:39] prior to balloting So Council

[49:39] member Yvonne Wolpert any

[49:40] questions for the candidates?

[49:40] Yes.

[49:41] Thank you.

[49:43] I have a question for every

[49:44] candidate to answer the same

[49:48] question.

[49:49] When we enacted

[49:49] the implementing law for

[49:50] the Commission on Priest

[49:53] Practices Section 26.11 o 64

[49:54] states, the commissioners need

[49:58] to have the ability to act

[49:59] impartially and independently

[50:00] and we will be appointing you

[50:03] to be a fact finders and

[50:04] adjudicate cases, adjudicate

[50:04] complaints against the police,

[50:08] adjudicate complaints police

[50:09] might have against civilians

[50:09] And so you'll be acting in

[50:13] the role of a judge And we all

[50:14] have experience in the role but

[50:15] we have to come in there with a

[50:17] neutral fact finding ability.

[50:18] So I'd like to know from each

[50:19] person how you plan to be

[50:22] neutral and unbiased when each

[50:23] case comes to you.

[50:27] So why don't we start with you

[50:27] Francisco That I remember

[50:28] correctly and then just kind of

[50:32] go down the line being

[50:36] impartial I would say that it's

[50:37] the first step to build that

[50:37] bridge between public

[50:41] institutions and the community

[50:41] .

[50:42] So there's there's absolutely

[50:46] no other way around this Just

[50:47] we have to listen to the facts

[50:51] And like you mentioned, we're

[50:52] going to be a judge to be able

[50:53] to make decisions, you know,

[50:55] for the betterment of

[50:56] the community as a whole, not

[50:57] for an individual perspective.

[51:00] So I think that's that's

[51:01] the only way about it.

[51:02] And my apologies for appointing

[51:10] you man.

[51:11] So I was serving as a juror a

[51:15] couple times and I've been

[51:15] through there So I have to be

[51:16] honest and look at the fact

[51:20] whatever the fact is I have to

[51:21] go according to the fact I

[51:22] don't look at anything else.

[51:33] >> Thank you.

[51:33] >> Grady Avila License

[51:34] Restorative practitioner.

[51:38] My my job daily is conflict

[51:38] resolution and whether that's

[51:43] in the jail setting, in

[51:43] the school setting or in

[51:44] the community setting and

[51:47] the only way to get to a

[51:48] resolution is to only speak and

[51:52] deal with facts.

[51:52] So I'm a fact finder.

[51:53] I'm an investigator.

[51:56] I'm all of those things But

[52:00] mainly I'm impartial.

[52:05] Good afternoon.

[52:06] So in my current job I'm a

[52:10] director for a restaurant group

[52:11] and I spot I find a lot of

[52:12] times I have to go in and help

[52:15] deal with some issues to to

[52:16] listen to the staff And a lot

[52:19] of times I have to teach my

[52:20] managers how to do it.

[52:21] And the most important thing

[52:21] I've learned over the years is

[52:25] listen first get all the facts.

[52:26] Don't start making conclusions

[52:29] until you've actually listened

[52:30] to everything and be fair.

[52:34] And then at that point when

[52:34] you're done then you make

[52:35] what's best for well for then

[52:36] it was the company and what's

[52:39] right for the for the I'm sorry

[52:40] for the company as well as for

[52:40] the employee and follow

[52:46] the rules So thank you.

[52:47] >> Okay So for right now most

[52:51] of my time is spent doing

[52:51] research and so every single

[52:55] thing that I'm able to look at

[52:55] I have to find it, figure out

[52:56] the evidence behind it and find

[53:00] every possible aspect that

[53:01] could counter what I'm looking

[53:01] at.

[53:02] So I think that it's very

[53:03] important to spread everything

[53:05] out, look at everything and

[53:06] take into account every

[53:07] perspective that could have a

[53:10] point and could have a

[53:11] possibility to influence

[53:12] the facts that were given um

[53:15] with my research experience I

[53:16] spent an extensive amount of

[53:16] time doing just that and just

[53:19] looking at the words on

[53:20] the paper pay no attention to

[53:21] tonality and then being able to

[53:24] take something like a

[53:25] transcript or an audio

[53:25] transcript and then use each

[53:30] way that each side was able to

[53:30] communicate their part, take

[53:31] into account all of that and

[53:34] then make a decision.

[53:35] I think it's very important to

[53:36] look at the bigger picture and

[53:39] then take each part of that

[53:39] bigger picture and create

[53:40] smaller pictures and use that

[53:41] to be as impartial and

[53:43] transparent as possible when

[53:48] making decisions such as this.

[53:53] Thank you for the question.

[53:54] Before moving to San Diego I

[53:55] was a English teacher and

[53:58] the backbone of that is

[53:59] critical thinking and any kind

[53:59] of writing assignment or

[54:03] analysis that we would do you

[54:04] have to be have a clear eyed

[54:08] look at what the text is, what

[54:08] the problem is, what

[54:09] the circumstances And in order

[54:12] to bring an analysis that's

[54:13] free of bias and free of

[54:13] prejudice put those facts

[54:17] together before you can reach a

[54:17] conclusion about how you think

[54:21] and feel and understand

[54:21] the material.

[54:22] And I see that being no

[54:27] different in this case.

[54:28] I wish it weren't that way on

[54:28] social media more but that's

[54:29] not the way it goes.

[54:31] Thank you.

[54:38] And then sorry.

[54:38] Hello.

[54:43] To me I think that in the past

[54:44] of Served on the Police

[54:44] Accountability Board for uc San

[54:48] Diego Police Department so

[54:49] that's something that is that

[54:49] comes naturally with

[54:53] the position Furthermore for a

[54:54] big part of working in in

[54:58] research and my own like major

[54:58] at uc San Diego which is

[55:03] cognitive science is understand

[55:03] what the facts are before

[55:04] making a conclusion You know we

[55:07] can have a hypothesis we can

[55:08] have an idea of like where

[55:09] we're going but we need to

[55:09] clearly understand where all

[55:13] the facts are, find out what

[55:14] points go for and against an

[55:18] argument in order to finally

[55:18] make that case.

[55:19] So I think that to me fact

[55:20] finding comes very naturally

[55:23] also understanding where all

[55:23] these facts are coming from and

[55:24] making sure we have a clear cut

[55:27] procedure for investigating

[55:27] every single complaint and

[55:28] doing it fairly because we want

[55:32] to increase the trust in these

[55:32] systems rather than diminish

[55:33] them through manners which like

[55:35] cut corners in some way.

[55:36] >> That's that's how I see it.

[55:43] Thank you Emmanuel Marin if you

[55:44] can please unmute.

[55:46] Thank you.

[55:46] I appreciate the question.

[55:47] I would say that I would like

[55:51] to point to both my

[55:51] professional background as well

[55:52] as my scholastic background.

[55:55] Personally I work with a ton of

[55:55] data.

[55:56] I don't really go in when I

[56:00] started doing analysis I don't

[56:01] with any preconceived notion of

[56:01] what the facts or in this case

[56:05] the numbers kind of tell me

[56:06] the story and I go from there.

[56:07] But I do think I have a pretty

[56:10] strong grasp on what's kind of

[56:11] removing bias and just looking

[56:14] at things objectively as well

[56:15] As I did point out, my

[56:16] background as a lawyer studies

[56:19] major for undergrad just

[56:24] because I think that really

[56:24] that combined with my

[56:25] psychology undergrad really

[56:28] gave me a baseline for looking

[56:29] at things through a set of

[56:30] rules and being objective even

[56:34] if things feel like they should

[56:34] go certain layer if it

[56:35] shouldn't.

[56:38] I'd like to think that I that

[56:39] training has provided a solid

[56:40] blueprint for me and I'm pretty

[56:50] pretty strong without Thank you

[56:50] .

[56:55] Is it okay?

[56:56] I don't see any other council

[56:57] members on the Light Council.

[56:57] My Woodbury.

[57:00] Thank you Council PRESIDENT I

[57:01] just have one question for MR.

[57:05] Pereira who is on the line.

[57:06] MR. Barry, you're a constituent

[57:06] of mine.

[57:09] Congratulations on getting

[57:09] the recommendation of

[57:10] the Commission on Police

[57:10] Practices.

[57:13] You did at one point reach out

[57:14] to my office with concerns

[57:17] about the Floc contract and

[57:22] automated license plate readers

[57:23] ,you know and that's not

[57:23] inconsistent with that ability

[57:27] to evaluate a police matter

[57:27] independently.

[57:28] But I did want to at least ask

[57:32] you the question should a case

[57:33] come in front of you that

[57:37] involves the use of Alpers in a

[57:38] policing situation?

[57:41] Would you be able to fairly

[57:46] assess the facts and render

[57:51] judgment based on those facts?

[57:52] Excuse me Councilmember

[57:52] Woodburn.

[57:56] I appreciate the question as

[57:56] well.

[57:57] I think so I my personal

[58:00] opinion on whether cameras

[58:01] should be or should or should

[58:02] not be in place would not

[58:05] interfere with my working on a

[58:06] case in which they are in

[58:06] place.

[58:10] They're here that are currently

[58:10] being used by the city And I

[58:15] don't see any reason to let

[58:16] that cloud my judgment on a

[58:16] particular case.

[58:19] Thank you, MR. Brewer Thank

[58:20] you, Council PRESIDENT.

[58:20] >> All right.

[58:24] Thank you for that question.

[58:25] Again, I don't see any movement

[58:29] from my colleagues so the clerk

[58:30] will now yes, the clerk on

[58:33] the I'll take public testimony

[58:34] prior to the council members

[58:37] comments and balloting.

[58:38] So with that clerk please

[58:43] proceed with public comment.

[58:43] >> Thank you.

[58:44] Council PRESIDENT We have

[58:46] speakers Armando Flores if you

[58:51] can please come forward after

[58:52] that will be Maximillian

[58:53] Schmidt allegedly Audra and

[58:56] Yusef Miller.

[58:57] Armando you'll have one minute.

[59:01] Please proceed.

[59:01] Good afternoon.

[59:02] Council PRESIDENT And members

[59:03] of the Council I am Armando

[59:07] Flores, Vice Chair of Strategic

[59:07] Planning for the Commission on

[59:08] Police Practices Speaking on

[59:12] behalf of Sherbini it is in

[59:12] the full Commission with thanks

[59:13] to former Chair Rodriguez who

[59:15] led this effort along with Doug

[59:16] Case who ran which was

[59:17] the chair of the recruitment

[59:20] committee for the first time

[59:21] the cbp carried out its own

[59:22] recruitment and nomination

[59:25] process from start to finish

[59:26] When the commission has a voice

[59:26] in who serves on it,

[59:27] the community has a voice and

[59:29] its own oversight.

[59:30] 21 people applied.

[59:31] Every eligible candidate was

[59:34] interviewed and scored on

[59:35] the same rubric and every

[59:36] nominee before you scored well

[59:36] above the bar.

[59:40] We are grateful to all who

[59:40] applied advancing these six

[59:44] that we put forward diminishes

[59:45] No one We nominate Emmanuel

[59:50] Pereira, Carly Boucher, Dixit,

[59:51] Michael James Ruland and

[59:54] Francisco Peralta Vargas.

[59:55] Together they bring

[59:55] the neighborhood's generations

[59:56] and professional experience

[59:59] This commission was built to

[1:00:00] reflect The final word belongs

[1:00:04] to the Council as it should.

[1:00:04] We respectfully urge your

[1:00:05] serious consideration including

[1:00:08] comment Maximillian Schmidt if

[1:00:19] you can please come forward And

[1:00:19] Yusef Miller if you can please

[1:00:22] come up to the front of

[1:00:23] the room as well so that you

[1:00:27] will be speaking soon on Hi.

[1:00:32] I just wanted to share my story

[1:00:33] of being abused by the police.

[1:00:37] I am I has a problem of

[1:00:38] trusting the police too much

[1:00:42] where what happened was I was

[1:00:43] in my apartment and I lost my

[1:00:47] job and I was spending a lot of

[1:00:47] time alone in my apartment And

[1:00:52] my walls are very thin and I

[1:00:53] could hear my neighbors reading

[1:00:53] my mind.

[1:00:57] So I filed a police report in

[1:00:57] the police station and

[1:01:01] the police ended up saying that

[1:01:02] I was mentally ill and taking

[1:01:03] me to a psych ward And in

[1:01:06] the psych ward they actually

[1:01:07] abused me by reading my mind

[1:01:10] and held me in voluntarily and

[1:01:15] called me mentally ill and

[1:01:16] accused me of being mentally

[1:01:16] ill and I was actually being

[1:01:17] harassed by my neighbors.

[1:01:21] They were on the Internet calls

[1:01:21] it like other people who

[1:01:26] experienced they call it like

[1:01:26] play by play.

[1:01:27] So it's like a sports broadcast

[1:01:28] You're saying what you're doing

[1:01:31] and my neighbors could see

[1:01:32] through my eyes through calling

[1:01:32] the Cardinals concerning what I

[1:01:33] was doing.

[1:01:34] >> Thank you for that

[1:01:35] concluding comment allegedly

[1:01:38] Andre I'm sorry.

[1:01:43] Okay.

[1:01:48] >> I find it interesting as I

[1:01:48] was setting everything up, you

[1:01:52] know, your staff came and told

[1:01:53] these individuals there would

[1:01:57] be a criminal background check

[1:01:58] after this whole process.

[1:01:58] I'm wondering if that's putting

[1:02:03] the cart before the horse and

[1:02:03] maybe we should do that prior

[1:02:07] because then what do you do And

[1:02:08] then we have to come back here

[1:02:08] and repeat this business And

[1:02:11] Steve and I find it so

[1:02:12] hypocritical that you're

[1:02:13] actually asking if somebody is

[1:02:17] going to have some kind of

[1:02:17] sound judgment or if they are

[1:02:18] going to be biased if they have

[1:02:21] a you know, opinion about floc

[1:02:22] when Theresa Smith is your

[1:02:26] friend and people are dying in

[1:02:26] Tent City who are your

[1:02:27] constituents and you just turn

[1:02:31] a blind eye like you are now.

[1:02:32] And this is sad because this

[1:02:33] doesn't give anybody authority.

[1:02:36] Unfortunately all these people

[1:02:36] are good candidates but when

[1:02:37] there is no authority to

[1:02:41] enforce things all they're

[1:02:42] going to be doing is a bunch of

[1:02:42] busywork to make it seem like

[1:02:43] there's accountability with

[1:02:46] the law enforcement And that is

[1:02:46] extremely unfortunate and a

[1:02:48] waste of their time.

[1:02:54] Yusef Miller Good afternoon.

[1:02:58] My name is Yousef Miller and

[1:02:59] with the Saving Lives in

[1:03:00] Custody California and police

[1:03:03] accountability Ability by Mass

[1:03:04] Accountability Coalition.

[1:03:07] And I want you to approve

[1:03:08] everyone to put them on and

[1:03:09] give us a full complement of

[1:03:13] the keep us as old San Diego

[1:03:13] has had a long history of

[1:03:18] police violence against a

[1:03:19] community all coming to a head

[1:03:19] in the 1980s when we had

[1:03:23] the issue or the case of

[1:03:23] Sergeant Penn which inspired us

[1:03:24] to have an oversight for

[1:03:28] policing in San Diego County

[1:03:28] and that's evolved to what it

[1:03:29] is today The only way it can

[1:03:33] function properly as if it has

[1:03:33] a full complement of people on

[1:03:37] those empty seats We I hear a

[1:03:38] lot of wonderful applicants

[1:03:39] that are here behind me and I

[1:03:39] believe they will all do a

[1:03:42] great job.

[1:03:43] And Mike Mike ask in my hope is

[1:03:47] that you approve them all

[1:03:48] the youth complement the every

[1:03:53] compliment that is behind me

[1:03:53] because we need to get to work

[1:03:54] and do some positive things and

[1:03:55] represent the people of

[1:03:58] the community.

[1:03:59] >> Thank you.

[1:03:59] Thank you.

[1:04:01] I started the five minute timer

[1:04:02] going to those participating

[1:04:02] remotely.

[1:04:03] We currently have five speakers

[1:04:04] in the queue starting with

[1:04:06] Hector if you can please on

[1:04:06] mute.

[1:04:06] >> Thanks.

[1:04:10] I would recommend the lady from

[1:04:11] district four She seems to have

[1:04:15] a just a really good

[1:04:16] perspective of what's going on

[1:04:19] in San Diego.

[1:04:20] I don't know if you guys can

[1:04:21] approve a law that sounds good

[1:04:24] to me too but I don't know if

[1:04:25] you're looking for one or more

[1:04:29] than one but do the recent

[1:04:30] things that one shooting of

[1:04:31] the guy and we're still like

[1:04:34] form and committees and stuff

[1:04:35] but you can approve them all

[1:04:35] But I would lean towards

[1:04:38] the lady from District four.

[1:04:39] >> Thank you.

[1:04:40] Thank you Francine Maxwell If

[1:04:43] you can please unmute Francine

[1:04:44] Maxwell Southeastern San Diego

[1:04:48] Given that we have multiple

[1:04:49] empty seats and some people

[1:04:49] that are going to expire they

[1:04:52] were acknowledged last meeting

[1:04:57] So I support full panel that

[1:04:57] has been presented here tonight

[1:05:03] very support of Sister Jamie

[1:05:04] because as she said fair

[1:05:07] impartial, nothing but

[1:05:08] the facts And again we need

[1:05:12] people to stay on topic And

[1:05:13] it's interesting that

[1:05:13] the council PRESIDENT Said

[1:05:14] people would have to stay on

[1:05:17] topic Talking about mind

[1:05:17] reading for every agenda item

[1:05:22] is absolutely his right But if

[1:05:23] this is about the sleep and

[1:05:24] everything should have been

[1:05:26] about the sleep so let's not be

[1:05:27] performative again The sleep

[1:05:31] needs people in the seats so

[1:05:31] that they can understand what

[1:05:32] is going on in San Diego and

[1:05:36] help build the bridge that we

[1:05:36] want from the community to

[1:05:41] the San Diego Police Department

[1:05:41] .

[1:05:42] >> Thank you for allowing me to

[1:05:45] speak Blair Beckman Thank you.

[1:05:46] Hi.

[1:05:50] Blair Beekman We can all have

[1:05:51] our own ideas and feelings on

[1:05:52] things to bring them to this

[1:05:55] sort of body and to work

[1:05:56] towards a neutral space is an

[1:06:00] important concept to understand

[1:06:00] and balance.

[1:06:01] >> Good luck in that effort.

[1:06:05] There's a lot that's going on

[1:06:06] with clock We could be in

[1:06:06] the next year and a half

[1:06:10] The city of Oakland is giving

[1:06:11] Blair Layer This is about

[1:06:11] the cpp appointments.

[1:06:15] Please focus on that Not agenda

[1:06:16] will come up later in the day

[1:06:19] You can unmute I'm doing a very

[1:06:20] good job You missed the point

[1:06:21] of my my speaking on this

[1:06:24] subject.

[1:06:25] We have to learn how to be

[1:06:25] accepting of different

[1:06:26] conversations that are taking

[1:06:28] place in working towards a

[1:06:29] neutrality.

[1:06:30] Good luck on those efforts.

[1:06:33] With that said I wanted to also

[1:06:38] offer the idea that I hope all

[1:06:39] persons here today were

[1:06:40] considering the future and

[1:06:40] the importance of tech

[1:06:44] accountability and what that

[1:06:44] really means and what that

[1:06:45] means and working towards is a

[1:06:48] community participation process

[1:06:48] and that it's important.

[1:06:49] It's an important concept of

[1:06:53] community sustainability.

[1:06:53] Accountable policies are

[1:06:54] important for our future.

[1:06:55] Good luck in that effort.

[1:06:58] Thank you.

[1:06:58] >> Thank you.

[1:07:01] Our next speaker is Tony.

[1:07:07] Tony, please unmute.

[1:07:07] Akinyemi for you.

[1:07:08] i will have to move on to

[1:07:12] the next caller.

[1:07:12] >> >> Yes.

[1:07:16] Please proceed.

[1:07:17] >> Yes, Thank you.

[1:07:18] I just wanted to back the words

[1:07:22] of Francine and Miller.

[1:07:23] I'm in love with you and I

[1:07:26] agree with all the points that

[1:07:26] you made And I also wanted to

[1:07:27] start by giving my own

[1:07:31] endorsement of the very first

[1:07:31] speaker today who was

[1:07:35] representing the students civil

[1:07:36] Law Union.

[1:07:36] I see him and Privacy Advisory

[1:07:41] Board meetings and I've seen

[1:07:45] him at budget meetings and he's

[1:07:45] super involved in the civic

[1:07:46] process and he has a lot of

[1:07:48] experience.

[1:07:58] I also really loved to dropped

[1:08:03] 8700 If you can please unmute

[1:08:03] Star six.

[1:08:08] There you go.

[1:08:09] I'm sorry One minute.

[1:08:09] Yes, it's one minute.

[1:08:13] Please proceed.

[1:08:13] Okay.

[1:08:14] Sorry about that.

[1:08:17] Yes To the cap appointments.

[1:08:18] Great batch of people.

[1:08:24] I will I am going to speak

[1:08:24] directly to the clients and

[1:08:25] the candidates in a minute but

[1:08:27] I do want to say this.

[1:08:28] I do have a lot of concern over

[1:08:32] the person that involves flock.

[1:08:32] I think that's a serious

[1:08:33] concern.

[1:08:37] Councilmember Whitburn.

[1:08:37] Okay.

[1:08:38] So I have two recommendations

[1:08:42] for the candidate.

[1:08:43] Number one, So if you can

[1:08:43] please listen up.

[1:08:46] If you are not truly

[1:08:47] knowledgeable of it, I

[1:08:51] recommend you review.

[1:08:51] Qualified immunity is

[1:08:56] judicially created Legal rule

[1:08:56] that was established by the us

[1:09:01] Supreme Court and this involves

[1:09:01] a cpd.

[1:09:05] And then the other thing is

[1:09:06] number two a dear candidate.

[1:09:10] These are my words on the human

[1:09:10] side of your work.

[1:09:11] We are all biased.

[1:09:15] We are all flawed.

[1:09:16] We are all wounded and we all

[1:09:16] bleed red.

[1:09:21] So she says concluded Your time

[1:09:22] has concluded and so have all

[1:09:25] the public comments for this

[1:09:25] item.

[1:09:26] >> All right.

[1:09:26] Thank you City Clerk With that

[1:09:29] we will now go to council

[1:09:35] member comments if any.

[1:09:36] >> Council member Ella Rivera

[1:09:36] Thank you.

[1:09:37] I just wanted to say thank you

[1:09:39] for all the applicants for

[1:09:40] putting your name forward and

[1:09:40] your interest in serving in

[1:09:44] this capacity regardless of how

[1:09:44] the process plays out.

[1:09:48] I do know that you already

[1:09:49] spent a lot of time to get to

[1:09:50] this point and the interest

[1:09:50] that you've shown.

[1:09:54] I appreciate it is a very

[1:09:54] important position and I very

[1:09:55] much respect that You are up

[1:09:58] through your name in the hat

[1:09:58] and especially because it's

[1:09:59] such a public process.

[1:09:59] So thank you.

[1:10:03] Thank you.

[1:10:03] Council Member We'll go next to

[1:10:04] Council Member Whitburn Thank

[1:10:04] you.

[1:10:08] Council PRESIDENT Since MS..

[1:10:09] Knight brought it up.

[1:10:12] And I am going to support MR.

[1:10:13] Pereira as one of

[1:10:17] the candidates I vote for He

[1:10:18] and I have different

[1:10:18] perspectives on Alpers but i

[1:10:21] was afraid to give a good

[1:10:22] answer about his ability to

[1:10:23] look at things objectively.

[1:10:23] So that's what we're looking

[1:10:24] for.

[1:10:26] Thank you.

[1:10:27] All right.

[1:10:27] Thank you.

[1:10:28] Council member Whitburn.

[1:10:31] I don't see anybody else on

[1:10:31] the lights so I'll just close

[1:10:36] by expressing my thanks to

[1:10:37] the candidates for the extra

[1:10:37] work you did And for those of

[1:10:38] you that had the opportunity to

[1:10:40] come down.

[1:10:41] Certainly those who MAY have

[1:10:45] have a job are at school and

[1:10:46] you know that's not a strike

[1:10:46] against you.

[1:10:47] But thank you for your

[1:10:50] willingness to participate And

[1:10:51] you do realize how much work

[1:10:55] there is in seep and hopefully

[1:10:55] they briefed you on that.

[1:10:56] I think your research probably

[1:10:59] gives you an indication of once

[1:11:00] they really get up and running

[1:11:01] that the Commission on Police

[1:11:04] Practices will be a real

[1:11:05] definition of public service.

[1:11:09] I want to thank Heidi of

[1:11:10] the Council Presidents Office

[1:11:10] for all the work in bringing

[1:11:11] the candidates together.

[1:11:14] Thank you to the Commission on

[1:11:14] Police Practices for actually

[1:11:18] getting organized this year and

[1:11:19] making recommendations.

[1:11:19] I think that's very helpful to

[1:11:20] the council members So thank

[1:11:23] you for that.

[1:11:24] So there's probably somebody

[1:11:25] else I should thank but it's a

[1:11:28] complicated process and I

[1:11:29] appreciate everybody's

[1:11:29] engagement to take the work.

[1:11:33] There's Heidi.

[1:11:33] So all right with that clerk,

[1:11:38] please outline the balloting

[1:11:38] procedures.

[1:11:39] >> Thank you, Council

[1:11:39] PRESIDENT.

[1:11:40] The procedures will be as

[1:11:43] follows We will be distributing

[1:11:44] the first ballot for districts

[1:11:46] two and District eight

[1:11:47] representatives as well as

[1:11:48] the youth category.

[1:11:50] We will then distribute

[1:11:51] the second ballot for the other

[1:11:51] categories as well.

[1:11:52] The low and moderate income

[1:11:56] category with term ending JUNE

[1:11:56] 30th 2027.

[1:11:57] Then a third ballot for low and

[1:12:00] moderate income category with a

[1:12:04] new term of JULY 1st 2026 to

[1:12:05] JUNE 30th 2028 and then a

[1:12:09] fourth ballot for the at large

[1:12:09] category.

[1:12:10] So thank you for your patience

[1:12:11] as we do all of the balloting.

[1:12:14] Once a candidate receives five

[1:12:15] affirmative votes that seat

[1:12:16] will be filled.

[1:12:19] I will announce the votes for

[1:12:20] each candidate at the end of

[1:12:20] each round of balloting.

[1:12:24] Please note if no one receives

[1:12:24] at least five votes in

[1:12:25] the first round of balloting,

[1:12:28] the candidate with the lowest

[1:12:29] number of votes shall be

[1:12:29] dropped from the next round of

[1:12:30] balloting unless the lowest

[1:12:34] vote getters are in a tie

[1:12:34] situation.

[1:12:35] This procedure includes

[1:12:38] candidates who have received

[1:12:38] zero votes.

[1:12:39] New ballots will be distributed

[1:12:39] and a new round of voting will

[1:12:42] be taken.

[1:12:43] My staff has distributed paper

[1:12:44] ballots to the council members

[1:12:47] for that first round of

[1:12:48] balloting for districts to age

[1:12:51] and youth category.

[1:12:52] This will likely be somewhat of

[1:12:53] a time intensive process with

[1:12:56] some pauses pauses between

[1:12:57] submissions and tallying.

[1:12:58] So we appreciate your patience.

[1:13:01] Council members please vote

[1:13:02] once you have concluded voting

[1:13:06] please.

[1:13:07] Fold in half and lift your

[1:13:07] ballot so staff knows that they

[1:13:20] can collect your ballot.

[1:13:21] >> I will just note for

[1:13:22] the record that the District

[1:13:25] two representatives you can

[1:13:26] select is for a term ending or

[1:13:30] starting on JULY 1st, 2026 and

[1:13:30] ending on JUNE 30th 2028 for

[1:13:33] the District eight

[1:13:34] representative It is for a new

[1:13:37] term starting on JULY 1st, 2026

[1:13:38] and ending on JUNE 30th 2028

[1:13:42] And for the youth category

[1:13:43] which you can select two

[1:13:44] candidates to fill

[1:13:44] the remainder of the term

[1:14:00] ending on JUNE 30th 2027.

[1:14:01] >> We'll just take a slight

[1:15:32] pause to tabulate

[1:15:32] .

[1:15:37] >> I will now announce

[1:15:38] the results of the first round

[1:15:44] of balloting district to Hemant

[1:15:49] Kumar de Charla received a zero

[1:15:49] vote Has Susan Martin or

[1:15:50] someone else for District

[1:15:50] eight?

[1:15:57] Received nine votes Received

[1:15:57] seven votes.

[1:15:58] Youth seat Kelly Rusher

[1:16:03] received seven votes and Ariane

[1:16:07] Dixit received five affirmative

[1:16:07] votes.

[1:16:12] We do have a district eight and

[1:16:13] the youth seats filled.

[1:16:13] >> Thank you.

[1:16:17] Council PRESIDENT.

[1:16:18] >> All right.

[1:16:18] Thank you for that.

[1:16:21] Given the outcome, let's move

[1:16:28] on to the next ballot.

[1:16:28] Thank you.

[1:16:29] The second round of balloting

[1:16:29] is for low and moderate income

[1:16:30] Staff is distributing

[1:16:33] the ballots to all council

[1:16:34] members.

[1:16:34] Please select two nominees to

[1:16:35] fill the remainder of the term

[1:16:39] ending on JUNE 30th 2027.

[1:16:40] Once completed please hold up

[1:16:45] your ballot to hold it in half

[1:16:45] and hold up your ballot so that

[1:16:46] staff member from my office can

[1:16:47] collect the ballot from you for

[1:17:24] tabulation

[1:17:25] .

[1:17:30] >> Just to clarify it is two

[1:17:30] seats two nominees to fill

[1:17:31] the remainder of the term

[1:17:36] ending on JUNE 30th 2027 So you

[1:17:44] select two from the list.

[1:17:45] >> Just to make sure we're all

[1:17:45] on the same page And then

[1:17:49] following this there will be a

[1:17:50] separate ballot for the term

[1:17:51] ending JUNE 30th, 28, correct?

[1:17:51] Correct.

[1:17:51] Yeah.

[1:17:53] So we're only doing this 27

[1:17:54] which is the shorter term And

[1:17:56] then we will circle back to

[1:18:02] the 2028 Slightly longer term.

[1:18:03] So just to recap again from

[1:18:04] the beginning instructions

[1:18:09] there will be four rounds of

[1:18:09] balloting.

[1:18:14] One for the 2027 term for low

[1:18:18] and moderate, one for the 2028

[1:18:19] term for the low and moderate.

[1:18:19] And then for the At-Large as

[1:18:24] well.

[1:18:25] >> This a question These are

[1:18:25] not consecutive terms.

[1:18:26] These are concurrent terms.

[1:18:30] We have to nominate four

[1:18:30] people.

[1:18:34] >> Now we're only voting for

[1:18:34] the 2027 seat.

[1:18:35] And then once we get done with

[1:18:40] that then we'll come back and

[1:18:41] do a separate ballot for

[1:18:41] the 2028 seat.

[1:18:42] Okay.

[1:18:46] But there's four open seats

[1:18:46] right now.

[1:18:47] Okay.

[1:18:47] And they're all going to start

[1:18:53] as soon as Jeff got to

[1:18:53] thinking.

[1:18:54] Yeah, right.

[1:18:56] How do you figure the And I

[1:18:59] said yes.

[1:21:04] Three six

[1:22:12] I announced the results of

[1:22:18] the first round of balloting

[1:22:19] for Emily but I received two

[1:22:23] votes Francisco I'm sorry.

[1:22:24] Rashida Lamar I received three

[1:22:24] votes.

[1:22:29] Scott Rodriguez received five

[1:22:29] votes.

[1:22:30] James Tyler Ruland received

[1:22:30] four votes.

[1:22:35] Congratulations to Scott

[1:22:36] Rodriguez as filling one of

[1:22:36] the vacant seats.

[1:22:41] Another vacancy for this term

[1:22:42] ending on JUNE 30th 2027

[1:22:43] remains vacant.

[1:22:47] Would you like to proceed with

[1:22:48] another round of balloting?

[1:22:49] >> Yes, Let's.

[1:22:49] Yes, let's proceed with another

[1:22:53] round.

[1:22:54] If you all could please put a

[1:22:58] line through Scott Rodriguez

[1:22:59] since he has already been

[1:23:00] appointed and you MAY vote for

[1:25:01] one

[1:25:08] .

[1:25:08] >> Nobody received five

[1:25:09] affirmative votes in this round

[1:25:09] as well.

[1:25:15] That received two votes.

[1:25:16] Rasheeda Lamar how many you

[1:25:16] received?

[1:25:16] One.

[1:25:20] James Tyler Roland received

[1:25:20] four and Francisco Peralta.

[1:25:24] Vargas received zero.

[1:25:25] We'll go for another round of

[1:25:30] balloting.

[1:25:38] Yeah, let's try one more time.

[1:25:44] >> Again as a reminder to cross

[1:27:24] of Scott Rodriguez

[1:27:24] .

[1:27:30] >> James Tyrrell received seven

[1:27:30] affirmative votes.

[1:27:31] No other votes were cast for

[1:27:32] any of the other nominees at

[1:27:32] this time.

[1:27:38] Congratulations to James Tyrell

[1:27:38] Ryland for being appointed to a

[1:27:39] low and moderate income

[1:27:39] appointment.

[1:27:46] Term ending JUNE 30th 2027.

[1:27:47] Would you like me to proceed to

[1:27:54] low and moderate income with a

[1:27:55] term ending in JUNE 30th of

[1:27:55] 2028?

[1:27:59] Yeah.

[1:27:59] >> Yes.

[1:28:00] Please proceed with the next

[1:28:01] You will be getting a new

[1:28:01] ballot for the new term ending

[1:28:02] date from staff.

[1:28:05] Please do not use the 2027 term

[1:28:05] ending dates.

[1:28:11] You were able to select two

[1:28:12] candidates from this list for a

[1:28:16] date starting on JULY 1st, 2026

[1:28:17] and ending on JUNE 30th 2028.

[1:28:26] I would ask that you cross out

[1:28:27] Scott Rodriguez and James

[1:28:32] Tyrrell Roland from this sheet.

[1:28:33] You MAY vote for a male Barbara

[1:28:39] Rasheeda Lamar and Francisco

[1:28:39] Peralta Vargas.

[1:28:40] The other two have already been

[1:28:44] seated and appointed to the low

[1:28:45] and moderate income appointment

[1:28:49] with a term ending in 2027.

[1:28:50] Again, if you can please raise

[1:28:55] your hand once you have

[1:28:56] concluded and staff will go and

[1:30:47] collect your ballots

[1:30:47] .

[1:30:48] >> I will now announce

[1:30:48] the results of the first round

[1:30:49] of balloting and one will be

[1:30:54] received four votes.

[1:30:54] Rashid Alomar received four

[1:30:55] votes.

[1:30:59] Francisco Peralta Vargas

[1:30:59] received five votes.

[1:31:00] Congratulations to Francisco

[1:31:00] Peralta Vargas for being

[1:31:05] appointed to a term ending in

[1:31:06] JUNE 30th, 2028.

[1:31:06] We can do another round of

[1:31:11] balloting for the second second

[1:31:12] vacancy if you wish.

[1:31:16] Council PRESIDENT.

[1:31:17] >> Yes.

[1:31:17] Yes, please.

[1:31:18] Please be sure to cross out

[1:31:23] Scott Rodriguez, James Taylor

[1:31:24] Marlin and Francisco Peralta

[1:31:29] Vargas on your ballots And then

[1:31:29] please let us know when you

[1:33:19] have concluded your vote

[1:33:19] .

[1:33:26] >> My little brother I will now

[1:33:27] read the votes into the results

[1:33:28] into the record And when I got

[1:33:31] it I received four votes and

[1:33:36] Rashid Lamar received three.

[1:33:37] Nobody received five

[1:33:37] affirmative votes.

[1:33:38] So an appointment has not been

[1:33:41] concluded.

[1:33:46] Let's try one more round.

[1:33:47] Staff will be I mean you

[1:33:47] already have them.

[1:33:51] As you know.

[1:33:52] Please be sure to cross off

[1:33:52] Scott Rodriguez.

[1:33:54] James Tyler, Roland and

[1:34:04] Francisco Peralta Vargas.

[1:35:34] And please only select one

[1:35:34] .

[1:35:35] >> Thank you.

[1:35:35] We received Emmanuel Varela

[1:35:36] received two votes and Rashida

[1:35:40] Lamar received five votes.

[1:35:41] Rashida Lamar is appointed to

[1:35:41] the low and moderate income

[1:35:45] appointment with a term ending

[1:35:45] on JUNE 30th of 2028.

[1:35:46] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

[1:35:46] All right.

[1:35:50] Thank you.

[1:35:51] Let's move on to the next

[1:35:51] ballot.

[1:35:52] The next ballot is for

[1:35:55] the At-Large appointment.

[1:35:56] There are several names that

[1:36:00] you will need to cross off

[1:36:00] because they were just

[1:36:01] appointed to other seats this

[1:36:01] afternoon.

[1:36:05] Kelly Rusher rusher.

[1:36:06] Oh sorry.

[1:36:53] I will wait

[1:36:54] .

[1:36:54] >> Everyone has their ballot

[1:36:55] Now if you can please cross off

[1:37:00] Kelly Rusher Dixon Hazard

[1:37:03] Martin Gallegos Munoz Rashida

[1:37:03] Lamar.

[1:37:04] Those were all appointed to

[1:37:06] previous seats in the previous

[1:37:07] rounds.

[1:37:11] Francisco Francisco Peralta

[1:37:16] Vargas was not appointed.

[1:37:17] >> Oh yes.

[1:37:21] Francisco Peralta was appointed

[1:37:22] So him as well.

[1:37:22] So the options are Emanuel

[1:37:27] Barrera, Michael Allen and and

[1:37:27] Hemant Kumar.

[1:37:32] These are trial as well as

[1:37:32] Christel Van.

[1:37:32] Okay.

[1:37:33] And there's two open to open

[1:37:39] seats please vote for two.

[1:37:39] >> And the terms are starting

[1:37:43] on JULY 1st, 2026 and ending on

[1:37:43] JUNE 30th 2028.

[1:37:46] You select two candidates from

[1:37:51] the At-Large category and

[1:37:56] please just hold up your ballot

[1:37:56] once completed so staff can go

[1:39:57] and pick them up

[1:39:58] .

[1:39:59] >> I will now announce

[1:40:00] the results of the first round

[1:40:02] of balloting for the at large

[1:40:03] appointment term ending JUNE

[1:40:03] 30th, 2028.

[1:40:07] Manuela Urena received a three

[1:40:07] votes.

[1:40:11] Hemant Kumar due to trial

[1:40:11] received zero votes.

[1:40:12] Michael Allen Falcon received

[1:40:12] six votes.

[1:40:16] And Christel Van received

[1:40:16] three votes.

[1:40:17] Congratulations to Michael

[1:40:18] Allen Falcon who has been

[1:40:21] appointed to one seat in the at

[1:40:22] large appointment.

[1:40:26] One seat still remains vacant.

[1:40:26] All right.

[1:40:27] Let's go to a second ballot.

[1:40:31] Please be sure to remove those

[1:40:32] that we had before which was

[1:40:36] Kellen Buckner, Arion Dixon

[1:40:40] Hazard, Martin Gallegos, Munoz

[1:40:41] Michael Allen who was

[1:40:42] appointed in the previous

[1:40:42] round.

[1:40:45] Rasheeda Lamar and Francisco

[1:40:46] Peralta Vargas.

[1:40:50] Additionally, you MAY also drop

[1:40:51] the lowest vote getter which

[1:40:52] was Hemant Kamara a troll from

[1:40:55] future balloting.

[1:42:56] In line with Council policy 13

[1:43:17] Oh no Announce the results of

[1:43:18] the second round of balloting

[1:43:21] and Madeline Batra received two

[1:43:21] and Christel Van received

[1:43:22] four.

[1:43:24] Nobody received five

[1:43:25] affirmative votes so no

[1:43:25] appointment has been.

[1:43:29] No action has been taken.

[1:43:31] >> Since we saw change, let's

[1:43:32] do a third round to see if it

[1:44:04] makes a difference

[1:44:05] .

[1:44:05] >> Sure.

[1:44:09] The results of the last one

[1:44:10] were two for Emmanuel Pereira

[1:44:13] and four for Christel Van.

[1:44:13] As a reminder, the two left on

[1:44:19] the ballot are Imanol Pereira

[1:44:19] and Christel Van.

[1:44:20] All others have been removed

[1:45:40] from the ballot at this point

[1:45:41] .

[1:45:41] >> Same results are received at

[1:45:42] two.

[1:45:49] And Christel Van received four

[1:45:49] .

[1:45:49] >> Okay.

[1:45:50] That's the same vote Currently

[1:45:51] it's the same people voting but

[1:45:53] I'm not inclined to do a fourth

[1:45:54] one unless the council would

[1:46:01] like to do Come on.

[1:46:01] >> Okay.

[1:46:06] And give it one more try.

[1:46:07] Another round will go through

[1:46:07] staff Will you have them?

[1:46:10] As noted am I known about it

[1:47:44] And Christel Van

[1:47:44] am I wrote

[1:47:45] about it.

[1:47:45] I received one vote and

[1:47:48] Christel Van received five

[1:47:49] affirmative votes.

[1:47:49] She is now appointed to the at

[1:47:53] large appointment with a term

[1:47:53] ending on JUNE 30th, 2028.

[1:47:54] Thank you.

[1:47:54] Council PRESIDENT.

[1:47:58] All right.

[1:47:59] >> Thank you.

[1:48:00] Do you want to read off

[1:48:00] the list of all.

[1:48:03] Do you want me to.

[1:48:03] >> I can.

[1:48:04] You can.

[1:48:04] All right.

[1:48:07] As a recap, thank you to all

[1:48:08] the candidates for

[1:48:08] participating.

[1:48:09] Putting your name out there,

[1:48:12] filling out the forms showing

[1:48:13] up today.

[1:48:13] So here's who's Martin

[1:48:14] Gallegos.

[1:48:17] Munoz is the new representative

[1:48:18] for district in the District

[1:48:22] eight seat appointed to

[1:48:23] the At-Large category are

[1:48:23] Michael Alan Falcon and Crystal

[1:48:24] Van.

[1:48:27] Appointed to the low and

[1:48:32] moderate income category ending

[1:48:33] in 2027 is Scott Rodriguez and

[1:48:38] James Terrell.

[1:48:38] Roland for the low and moderate

[1:48:42] income category for the seat

[1:48:42] ending in 2028.

[1:48:46] Rasheeda Lamar and for

[1:48:50] Francisco Peralta Vargas is and

[1:48:51] for the two seats in the youth

[1:48:52] category Kelly Brewster and

[1:48:56] Ariane Dixit have been

[1:48:56] appointed.

[1:48:57] And my apologies to both of

[1:48:57] you.

[1:49:00] I'm sure I pronounce that

[1:49:01] incorrectly.

[1:49:05] So again, thank you to all even

[1:49:05] those who were not appointed

[1:49:06] today.

[1:49:10] You certainly are welcome to

[1:49:15] either follow the vp seat Seats

[1:49:15] do become available.

[1:49:16] People do leave Are they

[1:49:17] They're going to do

[1:49:20] the background check first?

[1:49:20] >> Yes.

[1:49:21] Background check is concluded

[1:49:21] after this.

[1:49:25] Once the background check is

[1:49:25] completed my office will

[1:49:27] contact you for a swearing in

[1:49:28] As long as everything's good

[1:49:33] with the background check.

[1:49:33] All right.

[1:49:34] Again, thank you everybody that

[1:49:35] participated And thank you to

[1:49:37] everybody that had the patience

[1:49:38] to watch the balloting

[1:49:38] procedures.

[1:49:42] So unless there's no other

[1:49:42] comments or questions, we will.

[1:49:48] Clerk Please introduce item 602

[1:49:48] items.

[1:49:49] >> So too is to amend sole

[1:49:49] source contract for open gov

[1:49:52] inc six votes are required

[1:49:53] pursuant to Charter section 99.

[1:49:53] If you're here I'd like to

[1:49:57] speak to this item.

[1:49:58] Please be sure to submit

[1:49:58] the speakership to the front of

[1:49:59] the room in the clear box and

[1:50:01] if you are participating

[1:50:02] remotely now's the time to

[1:50:03] raise your hand by pressing

[1:50:04] Star nine or the raise your

[1:50:07] hand icon.

[1:50:08] Thank you, Council PRESIDENT.

[1:50:08] All right.

[1:50:09] Thank you.

[1:50:10] So give staff a chance to

[1:50:48] settle in

[1:50:48] now Think you're

[1:50:49] settled in.

[1:50:49] >> Please introduce yourselves

[1:50:50] for the record and let us know

[1:50:52] how much time you need for your

[1:50:53] presentation.

[1:50:53] >> Good afternoon.

[1:50:54] Council PRESIDENT LaCava and

[1:50:58] members of the Council.

[1:50:58] My name is Patrick.

[1:50:59] I'm a Deputy Director with

[1:51:01] the Department of Chair of

[1:51:02] the Transportation Department.

[1:51:03] And with me today is Alex

[1:51:07] Osvaldo, deputy director of

[1:51:07] the Transportation Department

[1:51:08] as well.

[1:51:10] Our presentation takes about

[1:51:10] five minutes.

[1:51:11] All right.

[1:51:11] When you're ready.

[1:51:15] The item before you today

[1:51:15] requests council authority to

[1:51:16] amend the city's existing

[1:51:19] contract with open gov

[1:51:20] the provider of the city's

[1:51:21] cartographic asset management

[1:51:24] software.

[1:51:25] We will start our presentation

[1:51:29] with a contract overview,

[1:51:30] provide some background on what

[1:51:30] cartography is and what

[1:51:31] services it provides.

[1:51:34] Before we outline why

[1:51:35] the software is so important

[1:51:36] for the city and why a sole

[1:51:39] source amendment was

[1:51:40] recommended, the department has

[1:51:40] used open gaps cartography

[1:51:45] software under the current five

[1:51:45] year sole source agreement

[1:51:46] since 2021.

[1:51:49] The current contract has a

[1:51:50] value of approximately $540,000

[1:51:54] and is scheduled to expire on

[1:51:55] SEPTEMBER 8th, 2026.

[1:51:55] The proposed amendment would

[1:51:59] expand would extend

[1:51:59] the existing agreement for an

[1:52:02] additional five years through

[1:52:06] SEPTEMBER 2031 and add up to

[1:52:07] approximately 659,000 for years

[1:52:08] six through ten.

[1:52:11] This would bring the total

[1:52:12] contract value over the full

[1:52:15] ten year period to

[1:52:16] approximately $1.2 million.

[1:52:17] Funding for the service is

[1:52:17] already included in

[1:52:20] the department's ongoing fiscal

[1:52:24] year 27 budget with

[1:52:25] approximately $119,000 budgeted

[1:52:25] for the current fiscal year.

[1:52:29] This ongoing base budget

[1:52:30] allocation would have to be

[1:52:34] amended to account for any of

[1:52:38] the increases due to inflation

[1:52:39] .

[1:52:39] With this I hand it over to

[1:52:40] Alex.

[1:52:40] Thank you Patrick.

[1:52:44] So choreograph is a

[1:52:44] Transportation Department

[1:52:45] Specialized Payment Asset

[1:52:48] Management System.

[1:52:49] Carter complements the city's

[1:52:52] sap enterprise system and it it

[1:52:53] provides specialized payment

[1:52:54] engineering capabilities that

[1:52:58] sap is not designed to perform.

[1:52:58] What it does is it uses

[1:52:59] the payment condition data

[1:53:03] collected through the city and

[1:53:03] Carter Graph calculates

[1:53:04] the payment condition index

[1:53:07] the pci and models how

[1:53:08] the payment conditions are

[1:53:08] expected to deteriorate over

[1:53:12] time.

[1:53:13] These engineering analysis

[1:53:13] helps us determine the right

[1:53:16] treatment at the right time.

[1:53:17] It allows us to maximize

[1:53:18] payment life and make the best

[1:53:21] use of limited funding for for

[1:53:22] payment maintenance.

[1:53:23] The system also supports

[1:53:26] the development of our annual

[1:53:27] slurry seal and rehabilitation

[1:53:28] programs as well as the long

[1:53:31] range payment investment

[1:53:32] strategies.

[1:53:32] And finally using specialized

[1:53:36] payment management software it

[1:53:37] is consistent with the industry

[1:53:41] practice Many cities counties

[1:53:42] and state dots use dedicated

[1:53:43] payment management platforms

[1:53:46] because enterprise systems like

[1:53:47] sap aren't designed to perform

[1:53:48] payment engineering analysis.

[1:53:52] Such as pci calculations,

[1:53:52] deterioration modeling and

[1:53:56] lifestyle lifecycle

[1:53:56] forecasting.

[1:53:57] And why is this important?

[1:54:01] So the cardiogram is much more

[1:54:02] than a database.

[1:54:03] It serves as the engineering

[1:54:06] backbone of the city's payment

[1:54:06] management program.

[1:54:07] It maintains all of our

[1:54:11] pavement inventory, historical

[1:54:11] condition assessments,

[1:54:12] maintenance history and

[1:54:16] provides the analytical tools

[1:54:17] we use to support the budget

[1:54:17] development and long term

[1:54:18] capital planning.

[1:54:21] The platform is also integrated

[1:54:22] with the city's gas environment

[1:54:26] and the public facing

[1:54:27] application such as sts sdk gov

[1:54:31] allowing the residents to view

[1:54:32] payment conditions and

[1:54:32] the planned projects

[1:54:35] The planned paving projects.

[1:54:36] One of the key reasons we are

[1:54:37] recommending continuation of

[1:54:40] the current platform is timing

[1:54:41] the city's beginning its

[1:54:45] pavement condition assessment

[1:54:46] this year during which every

[1:54:46] street will be evaluated and

[1:54:51] updated pci values will be

[1:54:51] loaded into cartography.

[1:54:54] This is one of the most data

[1:54:55] intensive engineering efforts

[1:54:55] that we perform.

[1:54:59] So transitioning into a new

[1:55:00] pavement management platform

[1:55:01] during that same year would

[1:55:04] require simulating Aeneas

[1:55:05] migrating of historical data.

[1:55:06] Configuring Integrating a new

[1:55:09] system.

[1:55:09] Rebuilding some of

[1:55:10] the deterioration models and

[1:55:14] the treatment decision Trees

[1:55:14] that we programed into

[1:55:15] cartography as well as

[1:55:19] retraining staff with the new

[1:55:19] platform.

[1:55:20] So that would introduce

[1:55:22] significant operational risk

[1:55:23] During one of the city's most

[1:55:23] critical pavement management

[1:55:27] efforts.

[1:55:27] Continuing with Carter Graph

[1:55:28] would avoid the cost time and

[1:55:32] disruption associated with

[1:55:32] migrating more than a decade of

[1:55:33] payment data.

[1:55:37] Historical records, engineering

[1:55:37] models and system integrations

[1:55:38] which ensures the continuity of

[1:55:42] operations during this critical

[1:55:43] condition assessment cycle.

[1:55:47] >> And this is our last slide

[1:55:48] and it summarizes all

[1:55:48] the reasons why it was

[1:55:49] recommended to go with a sole

[1:55:52] source extension.

[1:55:53] Open Gov As a proprietary

[1:55:53] computer software that has

[1:55:57] performed reliably and over

[1:55:58] the past five years like Alex

[1:55:59] mentioned has become deeply

[1:56:02] integrated into

[1:56:03] the department's business

[1:56:03] processes data reporting and

[1:56:04] downstream systems.

[1:56:08] Replacing the platform would

[1:56:08] require significant

[1:56:09] redevelopment customization

[1:56:12] data migration testing and

[1:56:13] staff training, creating

[1:56:13] additional costs and potential

[1:56:17] disruptions to the field

[1:56:17] operations and reporting With

[1:56:18] the upcoming pavement condition

[1:56:21] assessment continuity is

[1:56:22] especially important.

[1:56:26] For these reasons extending

[1:56:27] the existing agreement was

[1:56:27] determined to be the most

[1:56:28] practical and lowest risk

[1:56:31] approach providing service

[1:56:31] continuity and predictable

[1:56:32] costs while avoiding lengthy

[1:56:35] and complex system replacement.

[1:56:36] This concludes our presentation

[1:56:40] and we're happy to answer any

[1:56:41] questions.

[1:56:41] All right.

[1:56:42] Thank you for the work and

[1:56:42] thank you for the presentation

[1:56:43] this afternoon and I will turn

[1:56:46] it over to the office of

[1:56:46] the rba for comment.

[1:56:46] All right.

[1:56:47] Thank you Council PRESIDENT.

[1:56:51] So as you heard this is an item

[1:56:51] of a request from

[1:56:52] the Transportation Department

[1:56:54] for the extension of a source

[1:56:55] North Agreement for pavement

[1:56:56] management software.

[1:56:56] That contract is currently set

[1:57:00] to expire in early SEPTEMBER.

[1:57:00] Today that direct docket is

[1:57:01] being driven by a need to avoid

[1:57:05] a lapse in coverage for

[1:57:05] the software.

[1:57:06] While the cardiogram software

[1:57:10] does provide benefits to

[1:57:10] the city.

[1:57:11] Our office does want to raise a

[1:57:11] few procedural concerns with

[1:57:12] this item.

[1:57:15] First is just a concern about

[1:57:15] timing.

[1:57:16] While this contract has been in

[1:57:18] effect for five years, our

[1:57:19] understanding is that

[1:57:20] transportation only began to

[1:57:23] evaluate Looking for a

[1:57:24] replacement in JANUARY or

[1:57:25] FEBRUARY roughly six months

[1:57:25] ago.

[1:57:29] Additionally, it also appears

[1:57:30] that the request to extend

[1:57:30] the sole source agreement was

[1:57:31] only made to purchasing and

[1:57:34] contracting in late MAY.

[1:57:34] And that sole source was only

[1:57:39] approved in early JUNE.

[1:57:39] It then took an additional

[1:57:40] month before the item and its

[1:57:41] materials were sent.

[1:57:43] On one issue of last week to

[1:57:44] our office for our own review

[1:57:47] this timeline particularly for

[1:57:48] a sole source extension really

[1:57:49] doesn't provide enough time for

[1:57:52] us to conduct a thorough review

[1:57:53] .

[1:57:53] And to that extent I want to

[1:57:54] stress to both staff and

[1:57:58] the administration that ample

[1:57:59] lead time to review items

[1:57:59] particularly when they are

[1:58:02] direct docketed is crucial to

[1:58:03] the city's oversight process

[1:58:04] and to our own ability to vet

[1:58:07] items that come before this

[1:58:08] council.

[1:58:08] Our more significant concern

[1:58:13] however, is really associated

[1:58:13] with this being for courier to

[1:58:14] through a sole source process

[1:58:17] during the abbreviated review

[1:58:18] that we did conduct we asked

[1:58:19] for justification as to why a

[1:58:21] sole source extension for a

[1:58:22] software package is necessary.

[1:58:23] As you heard, extending

[1:58:27] the contract does come with

[1:58:27] some price certainty.

[1:58:28] It comes with some operational

[1:58:28] continuity as well.

[1:58:31] But we believe it is also

[1:58:32] important to ensure that

[1:58:33] contract terms and amounts are

[1:58:36] also competitive.

[1:58:36] One of the criteria that

[1:58:37] transportation used to justify

[1:58:38] extending the sole source

[1:58:41] agreement is that there is

[1:58:42] limited competition for

[1:58:42] the service and that

[1:58:43] the department made an attempt

[1:58:47] to find a second or multiple

[1:58:47] sources to no avail.

[1:58:48] However, we were not provided

[1:58:52] with any additional backup on

[1:58:52] this attempt and if it was

[1:58:53] conducted it doesn't seem to

[1:58:56] have been done through official

[1:58:57] procurement channels such as a

[1:58:57] request for information or a

[1:58:58] fee.

[1:59:01] And that type of a process

[1:59:02] could allow the city to see if

[1:59:02] there are other vendors that

[1:59:05] exist that could meet

[1:59:05] the city's needs.

[1:59:06] All of this puts this council

[1:59:07] in a pretty difficult position

[1:59:10] today because not approving

[1:59:11] extension could have real

[1:59:11] consequences.

[1:59:15] And this contract currently

[1:59:15] only runs through SEPTEMBER.

[1:59:16] But the system that it provides

[1:59:20] maintains the city's pavement

[1:59:21] management data and that data

[1:59:21] is necessary for core city

[1:59:22] work.

[1:59:25] At the same time we have also

[1:59:26] not had enough time to do a

[1:59:29] full review of this item and we

[1:59:30] have not seen that all

[1:59:31] the city's procedures for a

[1:59:31] sole source contracts were

[1:59:35] fully followed which leaders

[1:59:35] will see before for this

[1:59:36] afternoon.

[1:59:40] We do recommend that if council

[1:59:40] moves to approve this extension

[1:59:41] that you also request

[1:59:44] the transportation Department

[1:59:45] to work with purchasing and

[1:59:46] contracting to conduct an rfp

[1:59:49] process for other potential

[1:59:49] pavement asset management

[1:59:50] software and that you also

[1:59:53] consider approving an extension

[1:59:54] for only enough time as is

[1:59:55] necessary to conduct and

[1:59:59] evaluate that rfi.

[1:59:59] This could potentially be two

[2:00:03] years but certainly less than

[2:00:03] the five year extension that's

[2:00:04] currently being requested.

[2:00:05] That concludes my comments.

[2:00:08] I am available for questions

[2:00:08] and at least for the next 15

[2:00:09] minutes or so.

[2:00:10] Jordan Moore is also on

[2:00:10] the line from our office for

[2:00:11] more specific follow up

[2:00:16] questions.

[2:00:16] All right.

[2:00:17] Thank you Charles for that.

[2:00:17] With that Clark, please proceed

[2:00:20] with public comment.

[2:00:21] >> Thank you.

[2:00:21] Council PRESIDENT Maximilian

[2:00:22] Schmidt If you can please come

[2:00:24] forward.

[2:00:25] You'll have two minutes.

[2:00:26] After that it's allegedly

[2:00:29] Audrey on.

[2:00:34] Hi.

[2:00:35] >> I want to talk specifically

[2:00:35] about the pavement downtown.

[2:00:39] What is for the extra 600,000

[2:00:43] dollars we're doing to upgrade

[2:00:44] the pavement software?

[2:00:45] I guess this new software has a

[2:00:48] public website streets sd.Gov

[2:00:49] where you can go and see

[2:00:53] the condition of the pavement.

[2:00:54] I guess that's one of

[2:00:56] the things that is included in

[2:00:56] the $600,000.

[2:01:00] What if we took that $600,000

[2:01:01] and downtown we pressure washed

[2:01:05] the pavement with twice

[2:01:06] the frequency?

[2:01:07] I actually don't know if it if

[2:01:11] the pavement downtown is

[2:01:11] pressure washed.

[2:01:12] I mean like a high pressure

[2:01:16] washer with powerful water to

[2:01:16] clean because of the lack of

[2:01:21] rain and sd powerful water to

[2:01:21] clean off the sidewalks which

[2:01:26] are downtown as we know could

[2:01:26] be pressure washed with twice

[2:01:30] the frequency for $600,000 And

[2:01:35] I don't want to say it's

[2:01:36] shameful but hundreds of

[2:01:36] million dollars for the power

[2:01:40] lines underground on and

[2:01:41] talking about the pavement is

[2:01:45] actually very important to me.

[2:01:46] I think it's what makes

[2:01:46] the city the city I think

[2:01:49] cleans the sidewalks is one of

[2:01:50] the most important things And

[2:01:54] we need to pressure wash

[2:01:55] the pavement more downtown.

[2:01:59] It needs to be cleaned more in

[2:02:00] pressure, washed more on And I

[2:02:04] propose instead of upgrading

[2:02:04] the software on pressure,

[2:02:05] washing the pavement more and

[2:02:09] paying for water.

[2:02:09] I truly believe that downtown

[2:02:10] the pavement could get

[2:02:14] pressurized more and there's a

[2:02:14] misallocation of resources

[2:02:19] regarding the actual pavement

[2:02:19] on.

[2:02:20] To be frank the pavement near

[2:02:24] City College and the East

[2:02:25] Village and some places around

[2:02:28] there and 12th and Imperial is

[2:02:28] on.

[2:02:29] To be frank the sidewalks are

[2:02:31] discussing need to be

[2:02:31] pressurized more if you're

[2:02:36] going to.

[2:02:37] >> Thank you for that

[2:02:38] concluding comment allegedly

[2:02:38] Andre if you can please come

[2:02:39] forward and after that will be

[2:02:43] Paul Kruger.

[2:02:44] >> Can I make a point of

[2:02:48] information or a question How

[2:02:49] can seven of you vote and only

[2:02:50] six votes be tallied for that

[2:02:54] last item?

[2:02:54] Someone MAY have declined to

[2:02:55] vote.

[2:02:55] You can decline to vote.

[2:02:59] Okay just wondering It's just

[2:02:59] interesting Wonder who switch

[2:03:03] their vote any who this is very

[2:03:03] interesting because you guys

[2:03:04] always you know make sure your

[2:03:05] back is up against the wall

[2:03:05] when we're here.

[2:03:08] Push in contracts and extending

[2:03:13] them And I have a question as

[2:03:13] far as because of its sole

[2:03:14] source I mean in San Francisco

[2:03:18] with open gov there were

[2:03:19] donations being made to

[2:03:19] the mayor.

[2:03:23] The mayor's wife was making

[2:03:24] investments in this company.

[2:03:28] So I would kind of beg to ask

[2:03:29] the question like what's what's

[2:03:29] going on here?

[2:03:33] Why do you guys constantly put

[2:03:33] yourself up against the wall

[2:03:34] to, you know, approve these

[2:03:38] contracts?

[2:03:39] I mean it's like why I mean was

[2:03:40] there as you know, Charles was

[2:03:44] saying was there due diligence,

[2:03:44] the due process done to make

[2:03:45] sure that there aren't other

[2:03:49] companies So why are we picking

[2:03:49] this one and sticking with it?

[2:03:50] I just it's very interesting

[2:03:54] the way you guys do business

[2:03:55] And then as far as all of these

[2:04:00] companies go and I and you know

[2:04:00] all the data I continue to tell

[2:04:01] you guys we need to be

[2:04:04] concerned about these

[2:04:05] monopolies these companies have

[2:04:05] on government information And I

[2:04:10] think we should be concerned

[2:04:11] about all of our data because

[2:04:11] this data has been collected

[2:04:15] for years now and it's

[2:04:16] something that is being

[2:04:17] weaponized against the people

[2:04:21] and it can be weaponized

[2:04:21] against this municipality as

[2:04:22] well.

[2:04:22] And that's what's so terrifying

[2:04:26] is that, you know, it gets into

[2:04:26] the wrong hands.

[2:04:27] And when you look at places

[2:04:28] like China where information is

[2:04:32] being used to keep people from

[2:04:32] living life like even just

[2:04:33] going to get gas going to

[2:04:37] the doctor, going wherever, I

[2:04:38] think we need to be concerned

[2:04:39] about where our information is

[2:04:42] going and not just be freely

[2:04:43] giving it out like this

[2:04:44] ignorantly believing that it's

[2:04:48] going to be protected in some

[2:04:48] way.

[2:04:49] And so when the government gets

[2:04:50] brought to its knees I'll have

[2:04:54] to tell you guys I told you so

[2:04:54] because you're ignoring

[2:04:55] the fact that this information

[2:04:59] is going into hands that it

[2:05:00] shouldn't be.

[2:05:00] >> Paula Kruger if you can

[2:05:04] please come up.

[2:05:05] >> Uh, thank you very much.

[2:05:10] I just want to know I put a

[2:05:15] neutral on my slip which I

[2:05:16] often do and I know that was a

[2:05:17] suggestion from someone and I

[2:05:20] think it's an interesting one

[2:05:21] but I'm here only to thank

[2:05:26] Charles for his comments and

[2:05:26] the work that his department

[2:05:27] did.

[2:05:27] I don't have any particular

[2:05:28] knowledge of this issue but I

[2:05:32] think that the concerns that

[2:05:32] I've raised are really

[2:05:37] important and really

[2:05:38] significant and that I as a

[2:05:42] taxpayer am really reassured

[2:05:43] that we have an independent

[2:05:44] office and voice reviewing

[2:05:48] these processes.

[2:05:53] If I'm not mistaken,

[2:05:54] the departments that requested

[2:05:55] this contract are overseen by

[2:06:00] the mayor as the city's chief

[2:06:01] executive and I think it's

[2:06:05] really incumbent upon you as a

[2:06:11] council to respond to Charles's

[2:06:12] concerns and to get answers to

[2:06:12] the questions that he raised.

[2:06:17] That's all And thank you again,

[2:06:17] Charles, in your office for

[2:06:18] your work on this and all

[2:06:22] the work you do even even at

[2:06:23] times we've disagreed with you

[2:06:24] on the trash tax estimate.

[2:06:28] And so I think that the office

[2:06:28] has proved itself invaluable.

[2:06:29] I see that you're going to get

[2:06:34] an attorney either today or

[2:06:35] tomorrow.

[2:06:35] I think there's some or perhaps

[2:06:36] it's the auditor.

[2:06:40] I think it's the auditor But

[2:06:41] I'm assuming you do have legal

[2:06:42] counsel or if you need it you

[2:06:46] have access to it And I just

[2:06:47] want to thank you again and I

[2:06:47] want to thank the council for

[2:06:51] for paying attention listening

[2:06:52] to what Charles office produced

[2:06:52] and pursuing.

[2:06:58] Thank you.

[2:06:59] We've got five minute timer and

[2:07:03] going to those participating

[2:07:04] remotely starting with 8700 If

[2:07:09] you can please unmute you will

[2:07:10] have two minutes for joy.

[2:07:16] Senator Yes to the First

[2:07:16] amendment to contractual

[2:07:21] storage with open gov Road Rose

[2:07:27] Road constituents dream of

[2:07:27] them.

[2:07:28] It's a big priority of the city

[2:07:33] to software data is a big

[2:07:39] priority also So I I'm for

[2:07:40] the internet and all

[2:07:45] the technology it offers us so

[2:07:46] I do I'm counting on there

[2:07:51] having had a good track record

[2:07:52] of five years work already in

[2:07:53] the contract with the city and

[2:07:58] as Paul Kruger said so well and

[2:08:03] I'd David this is really

[2:08:04] important for us to listen to

[2:08:09] the office of the eBay and Jody

[2:08:10] Moore and everybody because

[2:08:11] what they said is very valuable

[2:08:14] and crucial oversight is so

[2:08:15] important to contract So let's

[2:08:20] do that.

[2:08:21] But I am totally for this

[2:08:21] contract.

[2:08:27] It's a big yes on my part and

[2:08:28] only one question yet Inflation

[2:08:28] MAY push it up and we have to

[2:08:33] come back again.

[2:08:34] But do do data on inflation

[2:08:40] with the software do we follow

[2:08:40] inflation and then keep you

[2:08:41] know, on top of that?

[2:08:41] So that's the question.

[2:08:46] Thank you.

[2:08:47] It's going to be I've enjoyed

[2:08:47] the cpi item the job of

[2:08:51] the Philippine equivalent to

[2:08:52] our Thank you Blair big man if

[2:08:57] you can please them you Hi

[2:08:58] Blair Beekman Yeah thank you

[2:08:59] for the idea that offered an

[2:09:03] interesting information to this

[2:09:09] item and if it can be of help

[2:09:09] you committee items in the past

[2:09:10] week on the future of cyber

[2:09:14] security issues for San Diego

[2:09:15] and you're going to be our

[2:09:15] future Cybersecurity policy and

[2:09:16] practices are going to be

[2:09:20] within the city itself.

[2:09:21] You're not going to an outside

[2:09:22] corporate source for the cyber

[2:09:25] security issues so much you're

[2:09:26] going to have someone in San

[2:09:27] Diego city government which is

[2:09:28] an interesting concept to

[2:09:33] simply ask can the cyber

[2:09:33] security keep in San Diego and

[2:09:38] within city government?

[2:09:39] >> Can any ideas they work on

[2:09:39] towards policies and public

[2:09:44] policy But cyber security can

[2:09:45] be of help in any way to this

[2:09:45] item because sometimes tech

[2:09:50] accountability can be a great

[2:09:51] help for other ideas in city

[2:09:51] departments and stuff.

[2:09:52] So I thought I would just

[2:09:56] mention that at this time if I

[2:09:57] can be of any help to

[2:09:57] the questions on this item,

[2:09:58] good luck in the procurement

[2:09:58] process.

[2:10:02] What that can work towards and

[2:10:03] and good luck to tech

[2:10:03] accountability can have a part

[2:10:08] in it in some way towards

[2:10:08] creative thinking.

[2:10:08] >> Thank you.

[2:10:09] Thank you.

[2:10:10] Next is Hector If you can

[2:10:13] please unmute.

[2:10:14] All right.

[2:10:15] A comment on this a few months

[2:10:20] ago I think you should let

[2:10:21] the contract expire and just do

[2:10:21] that Do the road things

[2:10:26] yourself in your own district

[2:10:27] Like have the Girl Scouts and

[2:10:28] the Boy Scouts tell you what

[2:10:32] roads to do or schedules

[2:10:33] problem set for another six

[2:10:37] months in the future So they

[2:10:38] can do those things and you

[2:10:39] guys could determine what road

[2:10:44] based on the community's input

[2:10:45] what road should we do now?

[2:10:46] It'd be good It'd be good for

[2:10:47] you guys to get some brownie

[2:10:50] points with your constituents

[2:10:51] where they live and maybe

[2:10:51] instead of him you got

[2:10:56] the million dollars for this

[2:10:57] contract because you already

[2:10:57] got the information.

[2:10:58] The roads don't change that

[2:11:02] much and it's out there

[2:11:02] Whatever they've done with

[2:11:03] computer And we all know

[2:11:08] the terrible roads where they

[2:11:09] are.

[2:11:09] It's not like I met and have

[2:11:15] community involvement in some

[2:11:15] mine to the to the Boy Scouts

[2:11:16] and the Girl Scouts.

[2:11:17] They drive around with their

[2:11:21] parents and they know the roads

[2:11:22] do with the mom stuff and

[2:11:23] paying some money on the side

[2:11:27] It happens Computer guys we've

[2:11:27] all paid them.

[2:11:28] They kind of get it in the end.

[2:11:32] We're pushing it through which

[2:11:33] doesn't look good And even if

[2:11:34] you don't renew the contract

[2:11:38] it's not going to do nothing

[2:11:38] for six months.

[2:11:39] You know the scheduling is

[2:11:40] already out there and then we

[2:11:44] just focus on the next roads,

[2:11:45] do it for a couple of years and

[2:11:45] see how it works because it

[2:11:50] would be good for everybody and

[2:11:50] it wouldn't be You guys can

[2:11:51] make those decisions.

[2:11:55] There's nine council places and

[2:12:00] I would say even give the guys

[2:12:01] south of eight like twice

[2:12:02] the roads that you get north of

[2:12:05] eight blown up you can hammer

[2:12:06] that out on your own council

[2:12:06] thing.

[2:12:07] But anyway, thanks for your

[2:12:07] time.

[2:12:13] Thanks.

[2:12:13] Thank you.

[2:12:14] I'm out of time I to conclude

[2:12:15] here in council chambers there

[2:12:16] are three speakers in

[2:12:16] the queue.

[2:12:17] No additional speakers will be

[2:12:17] taken.

[2:12:18] >> Tony if you can please

[2:12:21] unmute.

[2:12:21] >> Yes?

[2:12:22] Can you hear me?

[2:12:22] Yes.

[2:12:23] Please proceed.

[2:12:26] Good afternoon City Council.

[2:12:27] I wanted to speak up on

[2:12:28] the point that was made by

[2:12:33] the last gentleman that spoke

[2:12:33] in chambers.

[2:12:34] I'm not sure what his name is

[2:12:35] but he always has really good

[2:12:35] contributions.

[2:12:39] He was thanking the independent

[2:12:39] budget analyst and I wanted to

[2:12:40] do the same and I love

[2:12:45] the presentation given by

[2:12:46] the city staff.

[2:12:46] I love the input given and this

[2:12:47] is going to sound really silly

[2:12:51] but I actually had no idea that

[2:12:52] we could register a neutral

[2:12:52] position.

[2:12:57] I don't Please please speak to

[2:12:58] this If possible please let me

[2:12:59] know if there's a there's not

[2:12:59] like a slip in chambers So I'm

[2:13:04] assuming that you just express

[2:13:05] it this way vocally is how it

[2:13:10] works And with regard to this

[2:13:11] this particular issue, I think

[2:13:11] it's interesting concept.

[2:13:12] It's another thing I've said it

[2:13:16] before I'll say it again I'm

[2:13:16] not going to be done saying it

[2:13:17] anytime soon.

[2:13:21] It's so important that

[2:13:22] the public attend these

[2:13:23] meetings because there's

[2:13:23] something to learn in all of

[2:13:24] these meetings I had no idea

[2:13:27] that we were even using open

[2:13:28] gov and I'm like Googling what

[2:13:29] it is and googling the whole

[2:13:33] process of like you know,

[2:13:34] storing government documents

[2:13:39] and storing layouts for roads

[2:13:39] and things like that zoning

[2:13:40] etc..

[2:13:41] So anyway just a kind of a cool

[2:13:45] thing to learn about and

[2:13:46] something that we should all

[2:13:46] know more about as members of

[2:13:47] the public.

[2:13:52] So good luck with your decision

[2:13:52] .

[2:13:52] >> Thanks.

[2:13:53] Thank you.

[2:13:54] Kathleen Lippert, if you can

[2:13:54] please unmute and then Judy

[2:13:57] Strang is our last speaker.

[2:13:58] >> Thank you.

[2:14:02] Good afternoon, Council Item

[2:14:03] six someone proposes to amend

[2:14:04] their open government contracts

[2:14:04] and Transportation Department

[2:14:09] to manage the sidewalk and free

[2:14:09] inventory But perhaps in my

[2:14:13] limited understanding for why

[2:14:14] Caltrans isn't isn't and

[2:14:15] haven't been the responsible

[2:14:20] party to manage pavement

[2:14:20] sidewalk and tree inventory

[2:14:25] Caltrans worker salaries in

[2:14:26] the us are about 106,000 per

[2:14:30] year well $51 per hour.

[2:14:31] Given these lucrative salaries

[2:14:32] and millions of dollars per

[2:14:37] year, the city's stance on

[2:14:37] litigation stemming from

[2:14:38] streets to management and

[2:14:43] managing pavement, sidewalks

[2:14:44] and tree inventory why Caltrans

[2:14:49] isn't already responsible for

[2:14:50] the sat Additionally reporting

[2:14:51] streets, sidewalks and tree

[2:14:54] inventory should not be a

[2:14:55] reactive complaint driven

[2:14:56] process but a proactive one

[2:15:00] proactively addressing

[2:15:01] infrastructure issues to repair

[2:15:02] is a proven strategy for

[2:15:07] reducing problems and that

[2:15:07] could increase more and more

[2:15:13] costs of reactively addressing

[2:15:14] those problems As was learned

[2:15:15] when those jumping over temple

[2:15:19] styles back east to avoid fees

[2:15:20] or removing graffiti within 24

[2:15:21] hours that prevents further

[2:15:25] vandalism in the in in

[2:15:26] the city.

[2:15:26] The same holds true for

[2:15:27] the city to ensure streets

[2:15:31] sidewalks and public spaces are

[2:15:32] clean and free of litter and

[2:15:32] graffiti because when you

[2:15:37] already have litter on

[2:15:37] the streets people have a

[2:15:38] tendency to just throw more out

[2:15:43] there And I share Paul Kruger's

[2:15:44] appreciation of the far more

[2:15:44] likely less politically

[2:15:50] influenced office of

[2:15:50] Independent Budgets.

[2:15:51] >> So thank you for his

[2:15:51] comments as well.

[2:15:52] Thank you for letting me speak.

[2:15:55] Thank you, Judy Strang If you

[2:15:56] can please unmute.

[2:15:56] >> Good afternoon.

[2:16:01] San Diego City Council.

[2:16:02] As I was taking a look at

[2:16:03] the PowerPoint I didn't at that

[2:16:08] point have the aba report but

[2:16:08] there seems to be some things

[2:16:14] missing that the eBay showed

[2:16:15] Shine a spotlight on is

[2:16:18] the lack of data for the whole

[2:16:19] five year period that's sitting

[2:16:19] in SEPTEMBER.

[2:16:20] I don't think we could go

[2:16:24] forward with the vote until we

[2:16:25] have more information And thing

[2:16:30] that occurred to me is a model

[2:16:31] that we might take a look at is

[2:16:32] the counties as they call up

[2:16:36] the traffic Advisory Committee

[2:16:37] that's made up of community

[2:16:37] volunteers each representing

[2:16:42] some part of the county's five

[2:16:42] super busy soil districts and

[2:16:43] they collect the information

[2:16:48] there at those super super

[2:16:49] district level.

[2:16:49] We could do the same thing here

[2:16:55] in our city and collected as I

[2:16:55] think Spencer suggested at

[2:16:56] the city council level and make

[2:17:00] quite a thorough list of what

[2:17:01] roads and sidewalks need fixing

[2:17:06] first And wouldn't the citizens

[2:17:06] love that opportunity?

[2:17:07] I can't think of an area where

[2:17:08] we wouldn't care more than what

[2:17:12] our streets and sidewalks look

[2:17:13] like and more that would do

[2:17:13] That could happen to improve

[2:17:17] improve the safety around our

[2:17:18] walking in our streets.

[2:17:19] So perhaps we should take a

[2:17:23] better look at this as they

[2:17:24] call it the Traffic Advisory

[2:17:25] Commission committee that they

[2:17:29] have at the county level and

[2:17:30] see how it works and see if it

[2:17:31] has applicability to San Diego

[2:17:32] City Council to do the work

[2:17:35] ourselves or at least give our

[2:17:36] citizens a chance to share what

[2:17:41] they know because we will track

[2:17:42] these streets.

[2:17:43] Trust me we could give you a

[2:17:43] list in each of our city

[2:17:44] council district.

[2:17:44] Thank you for that.

[2:17:47] I share my thoughts this

[2:17:47] afternoon.

[2:17:48] >> Thank you.

[2:17:48] And that concludes with a

[2:17:49] comment on this item.

[2:17:49] All right.

[2:17:53] Thank you.

[2:17:54] City Clerk This is an action

[2:17:55] item that requires six votes.

[2:17:59] I'm going to kick it off.

[2:18:00] Thank you for the work to bring

[2:18:00] this forward.

[2:18:05] Clearly the department is very

[2:18:05] happy with open gov My

[2:18:11] experience using the online gif

[2:18:11] maps have shown that it works

[2:18:12] very well.

[2:18:17] I think it's a very powerful

[2:18:18] tool that public has access to

[2:18:23] and I don't know if I'm

[2:18:23] the biggest fan of

[2:18:24] the operation side and

[2:18:24] the challenges that you face to

[2:18:27] do your work every day but I'm

[2:18:28] certainly one of the biggest

[2:18:29] fans on the council here.

[2:18:29] Nevertheless the words of

[2:18:33] the aba have resonated with me

[2:18:34] given the fact that it was a

[2:18:39] sole source before and it's

[2:18:40] been proposed for a five year

[2:18:40] sole source going forward.

[2:18:45] So the question is not if

[2:18:51] the five years but what lower

[2:18:52] amount can we actually do an

[2:18:53] opportunity as the as Charles

[2:18:58] said to do an rfp to see

[2:18:58] whether there are other vendors

[2:18:59] out there that could do

[2:19:03] the work, could do the work at

[2:19:04] a better price to give a better

[2:19:04] service.

[2:19:05] I could talk about migration

[2:19:09] from the open gov database to

[2:19:15] their software going forward So

[2:19:16] the question for staff is

[2:19:20] suggested by the aba but I'm

[2:19:21] not totally locked in to

[2:19:21] instead of extending

[2:19:25] the contract for five years to

[2:19:26] extend it for two years that

[2:19:26] would give you two years and

[2:19:31] about three months to do an rfi

[2:19:32] to identify whether another

[2:19:32] vendor would be a better choice

[2:19:33] or maybe open gap is still

[2:19:36] the better choice.

[2:19:42] Things like Question Council

[2:19:48] member So it does take a long

[2:19:49] time to migrate a lot of

[2:19:50] the information If we were to

[2:19:54] move to a different platform

[2:19:54] you know the work that's been

[2:20:01] put into open governance,

[2:20:01] the payment management software

[2:20:02] that we use it's other

[2:20:03] engineering work that

[2:20:06] represents years that we've

[2:20:07] invested in it.

[2:20:08] We're still working with open

[2:20:12] guard to improve some of those

[2:20:13] functionality to streamline

[2:20:13] those workflows and that's

[2:20:18] still an ongoing thing that

[2:20:18] we're working with the vendor

[2:20:19] on.

[2:20:19] It doesn't make sense to to

[2:20:24] abandon that work and start

[2:20:24] over with the different

[2:20:25] platforms because of all

[2:20:25] the years that we've invested

[2:20:26] to it.

[2:20:29] But but certainly there the two

[2:20:30] years would be sufficient to do

[2:20:35] the RFIs check to see if

[2:20:36] there's other vendors that can

[2:20:37] perform this work And again

[2:20:38] the majority of the work would

[2:20:42] be making sure that

[2:20:42] the migration from open go to

[2:20:47] the new platform would work

[2:20:48] with all of our guys and and

[2:20:49] all the inventory history

[2:20:53] maintenance history and

[2:20:54] redeveloping all

[2:20:55] the deterioration curves that

[2:20:55] comes with migrating all that

[2:21:00] information to a new platform.

[2:21:00] Okay I know that that's extra

[2:21:01] work but I think it might be

[2:21:02] well worth it Or to validate

[2:21:05] that open got really is

[2:21:05] the best you know preferred

[2:21:06] vendor for the services that

[2:21:11] they execute So I'm going to

[2:21:11] move the staff recommendation

[2:21:16] but to extend only for two

[2:21:21] years for a total of seven

[2:21:22] years and with the appropriate

[2:21:22] adjustment in the dollar amount

[2:21:27] but move the staff

[2:21:28] recommendation that only to

[2:21:32] extend it for an additional two

[2:21:33] years Do I need to do anything

[2:21:33] else too?

[2:21:37] >> There's a little more

[2:21:38] information in the dollar

[2:21:43] amounts Yeah we have to

[2:21:50] recalculate the dollar amount

[2:21:50] to be considered.

[2:21:56] >> I would ask Deputy City

[2:21:57] Attorney Bryan Garrity who's

[2:21:57] been handling this matter

[2:21:58] whether anything else would

[2:22:01] need to be added to the motion

[2:22:01] .

[2:22:02] Certainly if this is approved

[2:22:08] our office will revise

[2:22:08] the resolution.

[2:22:09] I believe it is You know, it's

[2:22:14] an ordinance We will we will

[2:22:15] revise the ordinance in line

[2:22:15] with council's comments.

[2:22:16] What I would ask MR. Garrity if

[2:22:20] anything else is needed.

[2:22:20] >> Good afternoon.

[2:22:21] Council Deputy City Attorney

[2:22:26] Ryan Garrity Yes.

[2:22:26] Council Member Currently

[2:22:27] the backup materials include a

[2:22:31] signed amendment from open gov

[2:22:31] under the current terms that

[2:22:32] were based on staff's

[2:22:37] recommendation in order to

[2:22:38] effectuate the two year term we

[2:22:38] would have to revise that

[2:22:39] amendment and have it agreed to

[2:22:42] by open gov.

[2:22:43] I don't believe they've had

[2:22:44] the benefit of this current

[2:22:48] discussion so I don't know if I

[2:22:48] don't know at this time if

[2:22:49] those terms are acceptable to

[2:22:53] open go but they would have to

[2:22:54] accept them in order to revise

[2:22:54] the amendment to then

[2:23:00] incorporate the two year term

[2:23:00] rather than a five year term

[2:23:01] And that wouldn't be a problem

[2:23:05] in meeting the SEPTEMBER or

[2:23:06] SEPTEMBER expiration of

[2:23:07] the current five year contract.

[2:23:12] We could revise the ordinance

[2:23:12] based on the direction today

[2:23:13] and seek to have the updated

[2:23:18] amendment document from open

[2:23:18] gov as soon as possible to meet

[2:23:19] council's authority.

[2:23:19] Essentially council is

[2:23:24] authorizing the Mayor to sign

[2:23:24] an amendment for a two year

[2:23:29] extension to the contract and

[2:23:29] based on the dollar amounts

[2:23:30] that staff have listed in

[2:23:31] the staff report for

[2:23:34] the corresponding fiscal years

[2:23:34] .

[2:23:35] >> Okay.

[2:23:35] i appreciate that and I

[2:23:36] probably don't need to say it

[2:23:41] that I'm going to this is

[2:23:41] obviously the difficult

[2:23:42] position but council in coming

[2:23:45] in at the last minute with a

[2:23:46] fine fine and it's like I don't

[2:23:47] know what I'm doing here And so

[2:23:51] I don't know if my colleagues

[2:23:52] will agree to that to you but

[2:23:52] that's the motion I'm going to

[2:23:57] put on the table for now And

[2:23:58] we'll go next to Council member

[2:23:58] Eagle River.

[2:24:02] >> I think you guys PRESIDENT

[2:24:04] Appreciate the flag coming over

[2:24:11] and the comments there can you

[2:24:11] I think I think council present

[2:24:12] got a little bit of the answer

[2:24:16] here but my understanding that

[2:24:21] this process wasn't started

[2:24:26] earlier because the belief in

[2:24:26] that switching to a different

[2:24:30] provider would just be too too

[2:24:35] burdensome for the city.

[2:24:36] Well, thank you for your

[2:24:36] question.

[2:24:37] So the department's goal is to

[2:24:37] start the process usually for

[2:24:41] all contracts that expire 9 to

[2:24:42] 12 months prior to their

[2:24:42] expiration date.

[2:24:46] So in this case we started

[2:24:47] the process in JANUARY and we

[2:24:51] we worked extensively with

[2:24:52] purchasing and contracting and

[2:24:52] the vendor to determine

[2:24:57] the best course of action and

[2:24:58] it was the ticket And I'm going

[2:24:58] to jump right there because

[2:24:59] this is where I'm starting to

[2:25:01] get confused because the vendor

[2:25:02] piece and there doesn't have to

[2:25:06] be anything wrong But but that

[2:25:07] baked into that answer sounds

[2:25:11] to be it seems to be a

[2:25:12] presumption that we're going to

[2:25:21] use the same vendor.

[2:25:21] Am I missing something there?

[2:25:22] It might have come across this

[2:25:26] way since I summarized all of

[2:25:30] our processes but we determined

[2:25:30] first that it was the best

[2:25:31] course of action to go with a

[2:25:34] sole source agreement amendment

[2:25:35] before reaching out to

[2:25:35] the vendor to discuss it in a

[2:25:39] more detail.

[2:25:45] What factors determined that it

[2:25:45] was the best course of action

[2:25:49] to go with the sole source?

[2:25:50] >> I would have to get back to

[2:25:55] you on the details but in in

[2:25:56] the short it is summarized in

[2:25:56] our sole source memo that was

[2:25:57] approved by purchasing

[2:25:59] contracting and we can if it's

[2:26:00] not attached to this item we

[2:26:01] can certainly provide that

[2:26:06] document just because it looks

[2:26:06] like our interim director of

[2:26:11] transportation would like to

[2:26:11] hop in here.

[2:26:12] >> Good afternoon.

[2:26:13] Larry Chavis, interim director

[2:26:14] for Transportation Department.

[2:26:15] And just to emphasize that this

[2:26:16] has been in collaboration with

[2:26:19] purchasing and contracting.

[2:26:20] Got it.

[2:26:20] Yes.

[2:26:20] Thank you.

[2:26:21] Thank you.

[2:26:22] I think what we're I'm trying

[2:26:27] to what I'm trying to

[2:26:36] understand I guess is what

[2:26:37] keeps the process competitive

[2:26:41] after a vendor has secured a

[2:26:42] contract with us.

[2:26:46] In other words, if we're

[2:26:54] telling the outside world

[2:26:55] the folks who are supposed to

[2:26:55] be competing for business with

[2:26:56] the city that if they can just

[2:26:59] get their foot in the door with

[2:27:00] us that the city's not going to

[2:27:01] be interested in going in a

[2:27:06] different direction.

[2:27:07] Why would they ever work to be

[2:27:13] competitive to make sure that

[2:27:13] we're happy and this isn't had

[2:27:14] has had actually nothing to do

[2:27:15] it open what I'm just I feel

[2:27:16] like I'm seeing real process

[2:27:21] flags and you know it's not

[2:27:22] the first time it's popped up

[2:27:22] but it just everything that

[2:27:25] Charles just mentioned and some

[2:27:26] of the responses to what's been

[2:27:30] raised is making those flags

[2:27:31] fly higher and look brighter

[2:27:36] than ever before.

[2:27:37] >> Thank you for the question.

[2:27:38] Councilmember Julio Rivera

[2:27:40] Claudio Baka, director of

[2:27:40] Purchasing and Contracting.

[2:27:41] So with every procurement we

[2:27:44] typically as the contract is

[2:27:45] about to sunset, each

[2:27:46] department needs to assess

[2:27:49] whether or not they need an

[2:27:50] additional contract to replace

[2:27:53] that.

[2:27:54] When they are doing that

[2:27:55] typically we will put it out to

[2:27:59] bid again for instances with

[2:27:59] software because technology

[2:28:03] changes so quickly.

[2:28:04] There is there is an

[2:28:08] opportunity to go out and see

[2:28:09] what else is in

[2:28:09] the marketplace.

[2:28:10] At minimum we would do a

[2:28:13] request for information.

[2:28:13] The request for information at

[2:28:14] least allows us to see what's

[2:28:18] in the marketplace and given

[2:28:18] the needs that are identified

[2:28:23] by the Department, if there are

[2:28:24] respondents to the rfp then we

[2:28:27] would then issue a request for

[2:28:28] proposals and do a full blown

[2:28:29] procurement process.

[2:28:32] But we should be doing open

[2:28:33] procurement any time a contract

[2:28:37] is due to expire.

[2:28:37] >> I agree.

[2:28:46] So so what happened here?

[2:28:47] >> All right.

[2:28:48] I'll turn it over to you.

[2:28:52] Naomi.

[2:28:56] >> Councilmember Ella Rivera If

[2:28:57] I MAY add a staff shared

[2:28:57] earlier in the presentation it

[2:29:00] a lot of it had to do with

[2:29:01] the timing.

[2:29:05] This council approved

[2:29:06] the follow up to the payment

[2:29:06] condition assessment which it's

[2:29:09] a best market practice to do

[2:29:10] every four years.

[2:29:11] This would be the fourth year

[2:29:14] It was critical to have

[2:29:15] comparative comparable data to

[2:29:16] be able to really see

[2:29:20] the condition of our roads and

[2:29:20] have an apples to apples

[2:29:21] comparison from the assessment

[2:29:24] that was done in 2023 I believe

[2:29:25] to the one that we're we'll be

[2:29:29] taking place this fiscal year

[2:29:29] 2027.

[2:29:30] So now we just to make sure I

[2:29:31] understand that part In other

[2:29:34] words, if I'm hearing you

[2:29:35] right, council assigned

[2:29:38] the department work

[2:29:39] the assessment and with that

[2:29:44] assignment came the need for

[2:29:44] the software.

[2:29:45] But do we not need the software

[2:29:45] either way?

[2:29:48] So the need for the software

[2:29:49] would remain.

[2:29:53] However, it is beneficial to

[2:29:54] have the same provider of

[2:29:58] the of the assessment or

[2:29:59] cartography in this in this

[2:29:59] example to have the best

[2:30:03] comparison, the best data sets

[2:30:04] and the best information for

[2:30:05] the assessment that will be

[2:30:08] presented to council.

[2:30:08] Right.

[2:30:09] Which brings me back to

[2:30:09] the other point though If that

[2:30:13] is the city's position then are

[2:30:17] we incentivizing

[2:30:18] competitiveness from our our

[2:30:18] vendors especially once they

[2:30:23] get the initial contract with

[2:30:23] us?

[2:30:28] So need for the department will

[2:30:29] need for this year if it makes

[2:30:29] sense or the recommendation

[2:30:33] would have been the sole source

[2:30:38] And just just given the follow

[2:30:38] up to the pavement condition

[2:30:42] assessment it would have been

[2:30:43] based on the challenges that

[2:30:47] that staff presented earlier

[2:30:48] And besides the migration and

[2:30:51] everything it's it's it's it's

[2:30:52] really having the data

[2:30:57] the continuity the same

[2:30:57] degradation of the curves and

[2:30:58] all of the assessments that we

[2:31:05] had in 2023 and using current

[2:31:05] assessment of the roads for

[2:31:06] this year.

[2:31:10] Yeah I understand that I don't

[2:31:11] I don't want to go into

[2:31:11] circles.

[2:31:12] I just I think what I'm what

[2:31:14] I'm concerned about is again

[2:31:15] that once we have a certain

[2:31:19] contractor do an assessment and

[2:31:20] doesn't doesn't have to just be

[2:31:24] a roads once they start doing

[2:31:28] work in our city this is not

[2:31:28] the first time I've heard that

[2:31:33] that moving And it's not just

[2:31:33] transportation either moving

[2:31:37] work to a different software

[2:31:38] platform or provider would be

[2:31:42] an enormous undertaking And I

[2:31:42] want to know what the city is

[2:31:46] doing earlier on in

[2:31:47] the processes to protect us and

[2:31:51] protect our resources so that

[2:31:56] the inconvenience of of another

[2:31:57] option doesn't create an

[2:32:01] environment where we're not

[2:32:01] getting the best price

[2:32:02] possible.

[2:32:03] So that's where I'm going with

[2:32:03] that.

[2:32:06] I appreciate the responses.

[2:32:06] Charles.

[2:32:10] Thank you again for um for

[2:32:15] flagging this to council

[2:32:20] residents Point not an ideal

[2:32:21] position to be in today Um but

[2:32:25] I do I do think it's important

[2:32:27] to understand what is is

[2:32:33] changing in terms of um at this

[2:32:34] point we should and we should

[2:32:35] know which sort of contracts

[2:32:38] are most likely to end up in

[2:32:38] these sort of situations and

[2:32:42] take measures earlier on to

[2:32:43] provide the city with as many

[2:32:47] options as possible And if

[2:32:48] the best decision is ultimately

[2:32:53] to continue with the provider

[2:32:57] that we're using, great.

[2:32:58] But let's make sure that that's

[2:33:02] earned rather than a default

[2:33:06] out of that you know, because

[2:33:07] it seems more convenient or

[2:33:11] because the switch would be

[2:33:12] untenable given the timeline

[2:33:13] that that's provided.

[2:33:19] So um I'll second the motion

[2:33:19] but not particularly happy

[2:33:23] about how we ended up here.

[2:33:24] All right.

[2:33:24] Thank you Council members.

[2:33:29] So we have a motion by myself

[2:33:29] that is was displayed on

[2:33:32] the screen which is to move

[2:33:33] the staff recommendation except

[2:33:34] to do it for a two year

[2:33:38] extension and second by

[2:33:39] yourself and I'll quickly throw

[2:33:43] in because I don't like to put

[2:33:43] them in motions that this would

[2:33:44] require the department to move

[2:33:47] forward either with an rfi or

[2:33:48] an rfp.

[2:33:49] We'll leave that in your hands.

[2:33:51] I see co two there in the back

[2:33:55] is nodding yes.

[2:33:56] So with that I will now go to

[2:33:57] Councilmember Van Wolpert.

[2:34:00] Thank you very much.

[2:34:01] Um I have some questions about

[2:34:06] the software itself to uh one

[2:34:07] I'm glad that we are doing our

[2:34:10] pavement condition assessment

[2:34:11] as we should be and we actually

[2:34:11] have a pavement management plan

[2:34:15] that did not exist before many

[2:34:16] of us were up on this dais.

[2:34:17] Now funding it is a different

[2:34:20] challenge of course where you

[2:34:21] can only do as much paving as

[2:34:21] the city budget can support but

[2:34:24] at least we know what we're

[2:34:24] supposed to be doing.

[2:34:25] One question I have though is

[2:34:29] did do we know our districts

[2:34:34] really well and I know for

[2:34:34] example the Karl Mountain Ranch

[2:34:35] Road in my district was an

[2:34:39] absolute disaster and people

[2:34:39] were getting potholes.

[2:34:40] We ended up going to close

[2:34:44] session and paying out I think

[2:34:44] $600,000 for an injury crash on

[2:34:45] it.

[2:34:48] That happened again.

[2:34:49] Rancho Bernardo wrote about

[2:34:50] Arts Center Drive I've been

[2:34:53] telling the mayor's staff for

[2:34:54] two years that this road is

[2:34:54] horrible.

[2:34:58] It needs to be fixed.

[2:34:59] The contractor was a mess and

[2:34:59] we just went to close session.

[2:35:00] We paid another $600,000 out

[2:35:01] with a motorcyclist who got

[2:35:05] injured.

[2:35:06] >> So these roads are major

[2:35:10] thoroughfares and they're going

[2:35:11] to have thousands of people on

[2:35:11] them.

[2:35:12] I understand why we have to fix

[2:35:15] every road in the city

[2:35:16] including cul de sacs but

[2:35:17] the cul de sac is less likely

[2:35:20] to result in a major liability

[2:35:20] payout which then reduces our

[2:35:21] ability to pave other roads.

[2:35:25] So how can we provide this

[2:35:25] information in a useful way to

[2:35:26] the Department Transportation

[2:35:30] to say there's literally an

[2:35:30] accident going to happen on

[2:35:31] this road?

[2:35:32] i am the council member of this

[2:35:32] district.

[2:35:34] I hear from my constituents all

[2:35:35] the time Why can't we put that

[2:35:36] in the software to prevent

[2:35:39] liability and then we can use

[2:35:40] the money we're not spending on

[2:35:44] lawsuits to pave the roads more

[2:35:44] .

[2:35:45] >> Thank you for that question.

[2:35:49] Councilmember Van Wilpert So

[2:35:49] the software does make

[2:35:50] recommendations for the best

[2:35:54] value for the funding that we

[2:35:54] allocate each year to

[2:35:58] the pavement program So it does

[2:35:59] provide and recommend those

[2:36:00] streets that are recommended

[2:36:03] for street rehabilitation and

[2:36:04] that we either provide as a

[2:36:08] standalone pavement projects

[2:36:09] that ecp manages or we we put

[2:36:13] that as our our into our

[2:36:14] Midland Pay program.

[2:36:15] The majority of the streets do

[2:36:18] go to maintaining the roadway

[2:36:18] that are already in good

[2:36:19] conditions and maintaining

[2:36:23] those because you get more bang

[2:36:23] for your buck in trying to

[2:36:24] maintain those those roadways

[2:36:28] for slurry seals and keep seals

[2:36:28] and so forth.

[2:36:29] So because of the limited

[2:36:32] funding that we do have each

[2:36:33] year, of course we don't get to

[2:36:37] address all of the recommended

[2:36:37] streets segments that

[2:36:38] choreograph open gov recommends

[2:36:39] to us So we do make those

[2:36:43] selections based off of our

[2:36:43] field verification.

[2:36:48] Our engineers go out there and

[2:36:48] select those streets, do mark

[2:36:49] out.

[2:36:49] We also coordinate this year

[2:36:52] with council members to let us

[2:36:53] know if there's any particular

[2:36:54] roadways that are really high

[2:36:54] priority for them that we have

[2:36:58] been incorporating and

[2:36:58] potentially swapping in our

[2:36:59] million pave streets.

[2:37:03] So those things are things that

[2:37:03] we're incorporating with our

[2:37:04] streets election year after

[2:37:07] year to make those types of

[2:37:08] improvements.

[2:37:08] >> Got it.

[2:37:12] Well that had not been I have

[2:37:13] not had that experience as a

[2:37:13] council member.

[2:37:18] I have been bringing things and

[2:37:18] not to you in particular

[2:37:19] obviously to to whoever I'm

[2:37:20] supposed to talk to you to

[2:37:22] Bethany or to Eric Dargon when

[2:37:23] I was here or anybody I mean I

[2:37:27] brought in spreadsheet sheets.

[2:37:28] I hand them to the mayor's

[2:37:28] office and said these are

[2:37:29] the roads we're getting

[2:37:32] the most complaints about and

[2:37:32] they're major thoroughfares.

[2:37:33] And then two big accidents

[2:37:33] happened.

[2:37:36] We've paid over $1 million in

[2:37:36] liability.

[2:37:37] I feel that I am not being

[2:37:41] listened to.

[2:37:41] >> What I'm trying to tell you

[2:37:42] which roads could result in

[2:37:45] liability And so I don't either

[2:37:46] the software system that's

[2:37:47] blocking us from doing this and

[2:37:51] how can I better communicate so

[2:37:51] we don't have liability on our

[2:37:52] streets?

[2:37:52] Thank you for the comment.

[2:37:56] Consent Council member Von

[2:37:57] Wilpert And as we have shared

[2:38:00] with with Council on our

[2:38:04] overall pci scores citywide we

[2:38:05] did a brief assessment of even

[2:38:09] just the single digit streets

[2:38:10] at the city And based on

[2:38:14] the funding that Transportation

[2:38:15] Department receives it would

[2:38:19] take over ten years to just

[2:38:19] address the streets in

[2:38:23] the single digits which of

[2:38:24] course then as we move into

[2:38:25] the tens and the 20s then all

[2:38:28] that to say is that there is a

[2:38:29] great need citywide And as much

[2:38:32] as we try to prioritize and

[2:38:33] select streets to prevent

[2:38:37] further the deterioration as

[2:38:38] Alex mentioned just the overall

[2:38:42] need is is great but we are

[2:38:43] more than happy to work with

[2:38:44] your office and and take any

[2:38:47] any road selections or any

[2:38:48] anything that your constituents

[2:38:52] are bringing and see how that

[2:38:56] would fit into the selection on

[2:38:57] an annual basis.

[2:38:58] And Councilmember I could add

[2:38:58] on I feel that the coordination

[2:39:02] between officers has been

[2:39:02] successful in reallocating

[2:39:03] certain slurry miles to more or

[2:39:06] higher priority areas.

[2:39:07] I realize it's never going to

[2:39:07] be enough.

[2:39:08] There's always going to be a

[2:39:11] need somewhere out there but

[2:39:12] taking miles that are already

[2:39:13] allocated to your district to

[2:39:15] reallocate them or assign them

[2:39:16] to a different area that is a

[2:39:17] more high priority for your

[2:39:18] community is something that

[2:39:18] we'll continue to do And I

[2:39:21] think we have a good successful

[2:39:21] track record of doing that

[2:39:23] together So far for cota only

[2:39:26] after the accident happened.

[2:39:31] That's what I'm trying to say.

[2:39:32] >> I'm not going to vote for

[2:39:32] this.

[2:39:36] I'm frustrated This Thank you

[2:39:37] Councilmember Von Wilpert.

[2:39:41] And we should emphasize that

[2:39:42] you were the leading voice a

[2:39:42] few years ago to actually get

[2:39:43] the pavement management

[2:39:47] reinstated.

[2:39:47] You did And we found the money

[2:39:48] for it back in the day.

[2:39:49] So with that we will go to

[2:39:54] council member Foster Um okay I

[2:39:58] this is a little difficult I

[2:40:05] understand the ibus comments

[2:40:06] and let me see if I could just

[2:40:07] make sure I understand what's

[2:40:10] before us.

[2:40:11] We have a contract that's going

[2:40:15] to expire soon correct.

[2:40:16] And when is what is that

[2:40:18] expiration date by SEPTEMBER

[2:40:22] 8th I'm sorry SEPTEMBER 8th,

[2:40:23] 2026 or 2026.

[2:40:34] Um and so clearly the staff

[2:40:35] unfortunately got behind in

[2:40:39] moving forward appropriately

[2:40:40] right?

[2:40:41] I guess in regards to an rfi

[2:40:45] and a subsequent rfp But just

[2:40:49] as I look at this and I

[2:40:50] understand the two years but I

[2:40:54] like to think even if we made

[2:40:59] the rfi we made the rfp that it

[2:40:59] seems if there's another

[2:41:04] contract that is another

[2:41:08] contractor that is selected I

[2:41:09] would assume we would do this

[2:41:09] like any other software where

[2:41:13] there is a transition time

[2:41:14] where we have both under

[2:41:18] contract is that the case or

[2:41:19] not the case in this one?

[2:41:19] And essentially what I'm

[2:41:22] getting at is we could do

[2:41:23] the two years to hold staff

[2:41:23] accountable but we'll be right

[2:41:27] back here before us either with

[2:41:28] better news that you're able to

[2:41:32] move forward or worse news that

[2:41:32] you're not.

[2:41:33] But I'm assuming there will be

[2:41:36] a transition period to um as we

[2:41:36] go from one platform to

[2:41:41] the other like we do with

[2:41:41] anything else.

[2:41:42] Correct.

[2:41:42] I will defer to the department

[2:41:46] on particulars for for what

[2:41:46] their needs will be But

[2:41:50] generally yes we would have to

[2:41:50] under contract.

[2:41:51] We also have to consider if

[2:41:55] there MAY be a protest period

[2:41:55] if something goes wrong and

[2:41:56] there are additional delays two

[2:41:57] years MAY not be enough

[2:42:01] throughout the process.

[2:42:01] Council over the two years that

[2:42:02] I suggested just trying to

[2:42:06] think of what the short as

[2:42:07] potential time is if there is a

[2:42:08] potential the rfa goes out and

[2:42:10] there is no one else who can do

[2:42:11] the work right.

[2:42:11] I don't know if that's the case

[2:42:12] but part of the issue of this

[2:42:15] being direct docketed in my

[2:42:16] office only getting information

[2:42:16] on this like Wednesday through

[2:42:19] Friday of last week if I can't

[2:42:19] answer that question right now.

[2:42:20] Right.

[2:42:25] So if you end up needing to do

[2:42:25] it for a fee and switch to

[2:42:26] another one.

[2:42:29] Yeah you probably do need to

[2:42:30] build in some time to actually

[2:42:30] transition things over Maybe

[2:42:34] that transition time gets

[2:42:35] faster with new way out or I

[2:42:36] don't know But our initial

[2:42:39] recommendation is is going to

[2:42:40] be however long rfi is plus a

[2:42:43] year or two Two years seem to

[2:42:43] be something that came up when

[2:42:44] we were having conversations

[2:42:47] with staff This morning.

[2:42:47] Okay.

[2:42:52] I guess my my next question

[2:42:53] will be as we went into

[2:42:57] the additional contract term is

[2:43:00] I'm assuming it's a five year

[2:43:01] it's a five year contract one

[2:43:05] year terms right option to

[2:43:05] renew.

[2:43:06] Is that how you guys ran this

[2:43:10] this new Yes that is correct.

[2:43:15] Five year extension with one

[2:43:19] year terms that are b7 correct

[2:43:24] When you guys establish

[2:43:24] the when you guys just went

[2:43:25] through your negotiations, was

[2:43:28] it based on cpi index or was it

[2:43:29] did they just work up whatever

[2:43:30] their fresh numbers were And is

[2:43:34] there any are there any

[2:43:34] guardrails that we're taking

[2:43:39] into consideration or were they

[2:43:40] given an open and open path to

[2:43:41] provide you with whatever

[2:43:47] numbers they wanted to?

[2:43:47] >> And so continuation of that

[2:43:48] current annual price which

[2:43:52] incorporates the 3% annual

[2:43:52] inflation and starting with

[2:43:56] your six it accounts for a 5%

[2:43:56] annual inflation rate.

[2:44:00] So it's it continues to

[2:44:04] increase year over year first

[2:44:05] by three years and then at 3%

[2:44:08] and then by 5% four years six

[2:44:13] through ten which is at a is

[2:44:13] that in accordance with

[2:44:14] the price index?

[2:44:14] Right.

[2:44:17] Right.

[2:44:18] I'm trying to try to understand

[2:44:19] what we did.

[2:44:22] Did we give them an open

[2:44:23] checkbook or do we have some

[2:44:23] guardrails?

[2:44:24] That's what I'm trying to

[2:44:27] determine So yes, that is

[2:44:27] correct.

[2:44:28] 5% is the max allowable?

[2:44:28] They still have to justify

[2:44:32] submit a request to justify

[2:44:32] the 5% would be the maximum.

[2:44:36] I do want to clarify the term.

[2:44:37] The additional term is a full

[2:44:38] five years that was requested

[2:44:41] by the department.

[2:44:46] If there is an idea to do one

[2:44:47] year with for one additional

[2:44:47] one year options that could be

[2:44:51] a change to the amendment as

[2:44:51] well.

[2:44:51] >> Okay.

[2:44:54] So you guys did a straight

[2:44:54] five.

[2:44:55] Interesting.

[2:44:55] So you had different intentions

[2:44:58] coming here today.

[2:44:59] Is that what we're to

[2:45:08] understand I guess that's okay.

[2:45:08] Don't worry about it.

[2:45:09] I'll conclude there and turn it

[2:45:13] over to my colleague.

[2:45:13] All right.

[2:45:14] Thank you.

[2:45:15] COUNCILMAN Foster will go to

[2:45:20] council PRESIDENT Pro Tem Lee.

[2:45:22] >> This is getting difficult

[2:45:28] There.

[2:45:28] I hear you.

[2:45:29] But the needed for the software

[2:45:33] and why it's valuable I think

[2:45:34] that's come across pretty

[2:45:34] easily.

[2:45:35] I think I'm just perplexed at

[2:45:37] the timelines here and as

[2:45:38] Councilmember Foster just

[2:45:38] pointed out, the first five

[2:45:39] years of the sole source

[2:45:42] contract that we already

[2:45:43] approved in 2022 already

[2:45:46] allowed for 3% annual increases

[2:45:46] But it factored in

[2:45:47] the potential that if we were

[2:45:51] to extend it that the annual

[2:45:53] increases would jump to 5%

[2:45:53] instead of 3%.

[2:45:59] Is that correct?

[2:46:00] >> So if we if we extend this

[2:46:02] the next even two years right

[2:46:03] now it's accounting for a 5%

[2:46:03] increase inflation factor which

[2:46:07] was a jump over the 3% that was

[2:46:08] built into the original five

[2:46:12] year contract.

[2:46:17] So the 5% is part of the new

[2:46:17] contract amendment negotiations

[2:46:18] and was not included in

[2:46:23] the original contract.

[2:46:24] >> So you started the process

[2:46:29] to consider extending this

[2:46:30] contract in JANUARY?

[2:46:33] That is correct.

[2:46:34] When was the approval for

[2:46:41] the sole source given

[2:46:41] the official memo that was

[2:46:42] approved and signed by

[2:46:45] purchasing and contracting was

[2:46:50] JUNE 4th I believe.

[2:46:51] >> And so it's from JANUARY to

[2:46:55] JUNE.

[2:46:55] I mean it sounded like when

[2:46:56] Councilmember Little River was

[2:46:57] asking the decision was made

[2:46:59] somewhat early on that

[2:47:00] the preference would be

[2:47:04] the sole source.

[2:47:05] Yes, there was a recommendation

[2:47:09] that came out on transportation

[2:47:14] working with pnc on options on

[2:47:14] how to extend services with

[2:47:19] this vendor if you don't mind

[2:47:19] me asking especially since you

[2:47:20] know this has to go through

[2:47:23] purchasing and contracting and

[2:47:24] and you know when you go

[2:47:25] through that process you check

[2:47:28] a number of boxes for what

[2:47:28] would justify a sole source

[2:47:31] contract And one of those I

[2:47:32] believe is something about

[2:47:37] market competition and

[2:47:37] understanding whether the city

[2:47:38] would benefit from a

[2:47:39] competitive process And that

[2:47:39] was not correct.

[2:47:41] I mean I would imagine if we

[2:47:43] had done an rfp or even a loose

[2:47:46] evaluation of vendors it would

[2:47:47] not be difficult for us to come

[2:47:51] back and say the argument that

[2:47:51] you've made which is that this

[2:47:52] is the best vendor option we

[2:47:56] have limited options to come up

[2:47:56] with that but I don't doesn't

[2:47:57] feel like that's actually been

[2:48:01] confirmed In this particular

[2:48:01] case a formal rfi was not

[2:48:05] requested from the department

[2:48:06] in their justification to both

[2:48:10] purchasing and to I believe

[2:48:10] the attorney's office.

[2:48:11] They indicated that they had

[2:48:14] done their own market research

[2:48:15] and did not find any additional

[2:48:15] firms.

[2:48:16] That was part of their

[2:48:18] justification and

[2:48:23] the department's justification

[2:48:23] .

[2:48:24] How long does it typically take

[2:48:25] to conduct an rfi, an rfp

[2:48:29] typically less than 30 days can

[2:48:30] be as quick as a department

[2:48:34] like so even if that was a box

[2:48:34] that we wanted to check, that

[2:48:37] would not have been a difficult

[2:48:38] box to have checked at the end

[2:48:39] of a five year contract term

[2:48:45] for a sole source contract.

[2:48:46] Is there a reason why we didn't

[2:48:54] do that?

[2:48:55] I can perhaps answer that

[2:48:59] question, COUNCILMAN Really?

[2:49:00] So the contract itself is house

[2:49:04] because it's software in our

[2:49:09] I.T fiscal division and so from

[2:49:10] when they start the preparation

[2:49:14] of the renewal of the contract

[2:49:15] because it's expiring they

[2:49:15] coordinated with the engineers

[2:49:20] that actually use the software

[2:49:20] and so forth and based on

[2:49:24] the engineers input it would

[2:49:25] take a lot of work trying to

[2:49:29] you know migrate all of this

[2:49:29] historical data.

[2:49:30] The inventory that we have

[2:49:34] that's been program as part of

[2:49:35] the open gov cadre graph into a

[2:49:39] new platform So they took those

[2:49:43] into considerations As far as

[2:49:44] the length that it would take

[2:49:44] to migrate all that information

[2:49:48] because we're doing the payment

[2:49:49] condition assessment this year

[2:49:53] and having collecting all that

[2:49:53] pci data for the streets and

[2:49:58] putting it into Carter graph

[2:49:58] and needing to have that Carter

[2:49:59] graph be available so that we

[2:50:02] can compare that with the 2023

[2:50:02] assessment that was done That

[2:50:07] was also in Carter Graph So we

[2:50:08] could do an apples to apples

[2:50:08] comparison.

[2:50:12] So you're right that there

[2:50:13] could have been an I done as

[2:50:17] far as I know there is a

[2:50:18] competitor called Street Saver

[2:50:18] that that could be done that

[2:50:22] actually used streets They were

[2:50:23] working for other municipal

[2:50:23] agencies and it also has its

[2:50:27] ups and Dallas just like Carter

[2:50:27] Graph does and so the engineers

[2:50:28] coordinating with our I.T

[2:50:31] fiscal team decided that it

[2:50:35] would be best if we just had

[2:50:36] the extension for this contract

[2:50:37] because of all the work that's

[2:50:40] been invested putting

[2:50:41] everything into this Carter

[2:50:42] graph the five years we think

[2:50:45] is a sufficient time but

[2:50:46] certainly we can we can go out

[2:50:49] to bid with the two year

[2:50:50] extension and see what else is

[2:50:54] out there.

[2:50:55] So when council PRESIDENT Like

[2:50:58] I've asked in the beginning

[2:50:59] when you kick us off about just

[2:51:00] extending it two years instead

[2:51:03] of five whether that would be

[2:51:04] feasible I had an immediate

[2:51:04] frustration when you ask that

[2:51:08] council PRESIDENT Because

[2:51:09] the answer was not yes, that's

[2:51:09] possible And here's the time

[2:51:12] from which we could be done.

[2:51:13] The answer was it's really hard

[2:51:17] to make a switch and therefore

[2:51:18] we didn't look at it.

[2:51:22] And then now I'm hearing

[2:51:22] the actual answer to how long

[2:51:25] it takes to conduct an rfp is

[2:51:31] 30 days.

[2:51:31] I don't have any more questions

[2:51:32] at the moment.

[2:51:35] Council PRESIDENT I think

[2:51:36] clearly there is a lot more

[2:51:37] work and information to be

[2:51:41] provided here and a little bit

[2:51:42] more due diligence on our side

[2:51:42] to to get this across

[2:51:43] the finish line.

[2:51:45] And so if I could request that

[2:51:48] we return this item to staff re

[2:51:49] docketed the first week after

[2:51:49] returning from legislative

[2:51:50] recess that can give us enough

[2:51:55] time to engage with pnc on a

[2:51:55] potential rfi if the if

[2:51:56] the timeline is truly 30 days

[2:51:58] as well as to give the aba's

[2:51:59] office enough time to finish

[2:52:00] their assessment and provide a

[2:52:03] recommendation.

[2:52:04] Well now that you've made that

[2:52:08] COUNCILMAN Whitburn here on

[2:52:09] the lights Thank you.

[2:52:09] I'm excited.

[2:52:13] So I'll just have a few

[2:52:13] questions here.

[2:52:19] >> So the decision not to do an

[2:52:25] rfi was housed in it.

[2:52:26] >> So this was a joint effort

[2:52:30] between I.T team and

[2:52:31] engineering and has a

[2:52:35] management team we use

[2:52:36] the software and pnc

[2:52:41] recommendations Can I MAY a

[2:52:42] support when you say that I.T

[2:52:43] team and the engineering team

[2:52:46] you mean the teams within

[2:52:46] the transportation department?

[2:52:47] That is correct.

[2:52:47] So okay I gotcha.

[2:52:54] Okay thank you.

[2:52:55] >> So I think you make a very

[2:53:00] compelling strong case for why

[2:53:00] it could very well make sense

[2:53:05] to stay with the same vendor

[2:53:05] because you get an apples to

[2:53:10] apples comparison that way.

[2:53:10] But that's also going to be

[2:53:14] true in perpetuity.

[2:53:15] You set yourself up for a

[2:53:16] situation where we can never

[2:53:20] switch platforms because to do

[2:53:20] so would inherently result in

[2:53:21] forgoing the apples to apples

[2:53:27] comparison.

[2:53:28] Is there a cost associated with

[2:53:33] doing that rfi Or is it just

[2:53:34] you just send it out and see

[2:53:34] what you get back?

[2:53:35] I mean is it literally that

[2:53:42] simple?

[2:53:43] There is no cost associated

[2:53:44] with doing an rfi.

[2:53:48] It is just us The city would

[2:53:48] identify what their needs are

[2:53:49] to see who MAY be able to

[2:53:49] fulfill them.

[2:53:53] It's just a very simple

[2:53:54] response If we get a response

[2:53:54] from interested parties that

[2:53:58] show that they MAY have

[2:53:59] available products then we

[2:54:00] would have to do a full blown

[2:54:00] rfp.

[2:54:04] Is there any reason why we

[2:54:04] can't just make it a city

[2:54:05] policy that any time we've got

[2:54:10] a contract up for renewal we

[2:54:10] just do an rfi And is there any

[2:54:14] downside to just doing that?

[2:54:15] >> a Typically we will do

[2:54:16] instead of doing an rfi we will

[2:54:19] do an invitation to beta rfp.

[2:54:20] We will skip the step because

[2:54:21] it's not necessary In this

[2:54:25] instance the department had

[2:54:25] indicated there were no viable

[2:54:30] companies and that's why that

[2:54:31] step was not taken.

[2:54:35] But typically an rfi is just to

[2:54:36] see what's in the marketplace.

[2:54:36] Otherwise we will follow a

[2:54:40] regular procurement process.

[2:54:40] Okay.

[2:54:41] So it sounds like the one

[2:54:45] instance in which we don't

[2:54:46] solicit the potential for other

[2:54:47] bidders is where we go into it

[2:54:51] thinking that it's going to be

[2:54:52] a sole source.

[2:54:52] But that's sort of a

[2:54:53] self-fulfilling prophecy.

[2:54:57] I mean wouldn't even in a

[2:54:58] situation where we think

[2:54:58] there's only one qualified

[2:55:03] company wouldn't it behooves us

[2:55:04] to at least do the rfi anyway

[2:55:05] because you don't know what you

[2:55:05] don't know.

[2:55:08] Let's see what we get back.

[2:55:08] Yes, certainly.

[2:55:09] So is there anything else I

[2:55:13] mean in your mind from where

[2:55:14] you said is there any downside

[2:55:15] in just making a policy that we

[2:55:19] always whether it's you know,

[2:55:19] something new or a renewal do

[2:55:25] some sort of competitive

[2:55:25] outreach?

[2:55:26] >> Yes, certainly we can do

[2:55:31] that at minimum it would be an

[2:55:31] rfi but for the most part it

[2:55:32] would be an invitation later a

[2:55:35] request for proposal.

[2:55:36] Do you need something from us

[2:55:37] to effectuate that or is that

[2:55:37] something that we could just do

[2:55:41] going forward Now we can do

[2:55:41] that going forward.

[2:55:42] Okay.

[2:55:42] Thank you.

[2:55:47] I appreciate that.

[2:55:48] Last question just in regard to

[2:55:53] the timing, SEPTEMBER seems

[2:55:53] like sorry JANUARY seems a

[2:55:58] little late to have gotten

[2:55:59] started on this anyway.

[2:56:05] Was there any reason why we

[2:56:05] wouldn't have started on that a

[2:56:06] little bit sooner than that

[2:56:11] anyway Or was it just again

[2:56:12] because we decided it was to be

[2:56:12] a sole source and didn't that

[2:56:17] we did a damage type?

[2:56:18] Well, but I mean even if we did

[2:56:18] decide there was a sole source

[2:56:19] here we are.

[2:56:19] Okay.

[2:56:21] So it did result in kind of a

[2:56:22] crunch time I believe

[2:56:22] the division's process back

[2:56:27] then was to start the process

[2:56:28] of renewal 9 to 12 months prior

[2:56:33] to the contract expiration

[2:56:33] date.

[2:56:34] In this case unfortunately they

[2:56:37] ended up being more towards

[2:56:37] the nine months prior to

[2:56:38] the expiration date.

[2:56:43] Since then we have reviewed our

[2:56:44] internal process and updated

[2:56:45] our tracking tools, our

[2:56:50] contract dashboard to make sure

[2:56:50] that we will start any future

[2:56:51] process of contract renewal

[2:56:56] earlier too to not get into

[2:56:57] the same situation again.

[2:56:57] Okay, good.

[2:56:57] All right.

[2:57:02] So so basically going forward

[2:57:03] you don't anticipate this

[2:57:03] occurrence again with

[2:57:04] the timing?

[2:57:04] Okay.

[2:57:10] What's let's just add a little

[2:57:10] bit kind from my perspective to

[2:57:11] that side.

[2:57:11] I think transportation like

[2:57:14] they usually do in goods and

[2:57:15] services contracts that are not

[2:57:15] necessarily it When we look at

[2:57:20] what the contracts like to use

[2:57:20] bringing forward for whether or

[2:57:21] not they're doing like they're

[2:57:22] starting this process 2 or 3

[2:57:25] years before a contract expires

[2:57:26] those contracts I assume are

[2:57:26] probably not as typically in

[2:57:32] transportation to your house if

[2:57:32] they are in it.

[2:57:33] But I mentioned that might be

[2:57:34] some of the one department does

[2:57:34] 9 to 12 months that make sense

[2:57:37] where goods and services

[2:57:38] contract for Nike contract

[2:57:39] which is a service but it's a

[2:57:39] specific type right longer kind

[2:57:43] of time horizon for evaluating

[2:57:43] that's probably more

[2:57:44] appropriate.

[2:57:45] Makes perfect sense to me.

[2:57:49] My only interest is just

[2:57:49] hopefully what we can do to

[2:57:50] avoid some of the situations in

[2:57:55] the future that seems to be if

[2:57:56] we're doing rfi is going

[2:57:57] forward on a regular basis in

[2:58:00] this sort of a situation and

[2:58:01] have a process in place so that

[2:58:02] we don't get into the time

[2:58:07] crunch like we did here and

[2:58:08] we've addressed the root causes

[2:58:13] of these issues.

[2:58:14] So based on that I'll be

[2:58:15] supportive of the motion that

[2:58:18] my colleagues still want to

[2:58:19] move forward with it.

[2:58:19] Do you have a second?

[2:58:20] Yeah.

[2:58:20] Okay.

[2:58:25] So before going back to

[2:58:26] Councilmember Ella were there

[2:58:26] and cooling off a little bit I

[2:58:31] think go to your suggestion to

[2:58:31] return this to staff.

[2:58:32] I think a lot of questions and

[2:58:33] a lot of confusion, a lot of

[2:58:36] frustration on the council That

[2:58:37] doesn't all add up to a good

[2:58:38] thoughtful informed vote.

[2:58:42] We do need six We MAY only have

[2:58:48] six here So it cuts it even

[2:58:48] finer by waiting till AUGUST.

[2:58:53] So I'm going to take

[2:58:54] the privilege of the chair and

[2:58:55] I am going to call for a vote

[2:58:56] because we are clearly in

[2:59:00] deliberations that we simply

[2:59:06] return it to staff and with us

[2:59:06] to be docketed the first or

[2:59:11] second week back there and that

[2:59:12] should give you enough time to

[2:59:17] a brief council members on this

[2:59:17] .

[2:59:18] It should give you enough time

[2:59:19] to perhaps have a rfi on

[2:59:23] the street by then That might

[2:59:23] give us some formative answers.

[2:59:24] It MAY give you time to explain

[2:59:30] why the open cut bid is dated

[2:59:35] FEBRUARY 25th and it might also

[2:59:36] explain why open go find

[2:59:36] the amendment On SEPTEMBER

[2:59:44] 23rd, 1986 Look it up It's real

[2:59:45] so those questions can be

[2:59:50] answered And with the courtesy

[2:59:55] of my colleague to second on

[2:59:56] the original motion I think

[2:59:56] sending this back so that we

[2:59:57] can all build a better

[3:00:01] confidence it narrows it down.

[3:00:02] We would just be returning to

[3:00:06] the staff everything else that

[3:00:07] I said would be a request given

[3:00:12] what council has said yet just

[3:00:13] make sure I'm understanding so

[3:00:14] that instead of the motion in

[3:00:18] front of us we would be voting

[3:00:19] to send it back to staff,

[3:00:19] correct?

[3:00:27] Yeah, I'm certainly supportive

[3:00:27] of that and I appreciate

[3:00:28] the questions that colleagues

[3:00:28] have asked.

[3:00:31] I think and Catherine Whitburn

[3:00:32] was getting to this the general

[3:00:32] like standard approach of at

[3:00:37] minimum seeing what else is out

[3:00:37] there.

[3:00:38] I just don't I don't see what

[3:00:40] the city has to lose in that

[3:00:47] situation And I'm going to say

[3:00:48] it even it's going to people

[3:00:48] off.

[3:00:53] This is why we want someone in

[3:00:53] charge who's across the board

[3:00:59] is standardizing practices and

[3:00:59] procedures for things like this

[3:01:05] And there's people in the room

[3:01:06] who are bosses but the boss is

[3:01:12] not here and that's why we get

[3:01:12] frustrated It speak for myself

[3:01:13] that's what I get frustrated

[3:01:14] And the refusal to acknowledge

[3:01:20] the benefits of having a person

[3:01:21] who is solely focused on

[3:01:22] the operations of the city who

[3:01:26] can speak to and answer for

[3:01:27] the way things are done at an

[3:01:28] operational level.

[3:01:32] So I'm very supportive of this

[3:01:33] Going back I have no idea why

[3:01:33] this wouldn't be common

[3:01:38] practice and I'll just have

[3:01:39] this part and this isn't even

[3:01:39] like I said out of the heat of

[3:01:44] the moment it's just a feeling

[3:01:44] that continues to persist.

[3:01:50] It's that the governance of

[3:01:50] this council at times feels

[3:01:51] like an inconvenience and it

[3:01:55] can't work that way because

[3:01:56] time and time again the council

[3:02:02] I think actually really works

[3:02:03] to make sure that we're keeping

[3:02:04] the gears turning in the way

[3:02:08] that we know they have to turn.

[3:02:09] But taking that for granted and

[3:02:14] pushing us in a corner is also

[3:02:15] it just it's not the way and

[3:02:19] finding ways around us being

[3:02:20] able to govern in the way that

[3:02:21] we we need to govern is also

[3:02:21] not acceptable.

[3:02:26] So I'm glad to see this to be

[3:02:26] returned and I appreciate

[3:02:27] the attention to detail that

[3:02:31] you just provided and I surely

[3:02:32] hope that in the future

[3:02:37] the very, very basic question

[3:02:38] of who else is out there that

[3:02:39] could have offered this and

[3:02:43] could they have offered it at a

[3:02:44] similar product at a better

[3:02:45] price at a bare minimum That is

[3:02:45] a question that every single of

[3:02:49] our constituents deserves an

[3:02:50] answer to and we should be able

[3:02:51] provide an accurate answer to

[3:02:51] that.

[3:02:52] >> Thank you.

[3:02:52] All right.

[3:02:55] So we have a motion by myself

[3:02:56] in a second by council member

[3:02:57] Eli Rivera to return this item

[3:03:02] to staff And we'll go next to

[3:03:02] Councilmember Whitman Just very

[3:03:03] briefly I wanted to check and

[3:03:04] see what is the timing because

[3:03:10] I tried to work.

[3:03:11] Councilmember Yes.

[3:03:17] So you have our commitment that

[3:03:18] we will come back at that time

[3:03:18] frame.

[3:03:19] We will have issued an rfp at

[3:03:22] that point and we'll have a

[3:03:23] full understanding about what

[3:03:24] the local market will bear And

[3:03:24] then you'll have in front of

[3:03:28] you a determination with

[3:03:29] the full facts about whether or

[3:03:30] not the sole source is

[3:03:34] appropriate at that time If not

[3:03:35] if you choose not to vote for

[3:03:36] the sole source at that time

[3:03:36] based on information that's in

[3:03:40] front of you will have a lapse

[3:03:41] in the software package at that

[3:03:41] time.

[3:03:41] But we'll have to determine

[3:03:47] the road forward at that point.

[3:03:47] >> Okay.

[3:03:48] Thank you.

[3:03:48] All right.

[3:03:49] I think that's my weapon.

[3:03:52] We'll go next to council or

[3:03:53] excuse me we'll go back to

[3:03:54] Councilmember Bond Wolpert

[3:03:54] Thank you.

[3:03:55] >> I have a question.

[3:03:58] What does the contract expire

[3:03:59] SEPTEMBER 26th for What?

[3:04:03] And we were back from put it

[3:04:04] back on AUGUST 24th or 25th.

[3:04:05] Okay So you can do it before

[3:04:05] that?

[3:04:11] Yeah I got to any vote for this

[3:04:12] if it's expired So thank you.

[3:04:12] All right.

[3:04:15] Thank you Council member We'll

[3:04:16] go to Councilmember Campbell

[3:04:16] Thank you.

[3:04:17] >> Council PRESIDENT Just

[3:04:21] briefly want to make sure that

[3:04:22] I understand what this is about

[3:04:23] The oci, the overall condition

[3:04:27] index for city assets.

[3:04:32] I think I recall correctly that

[3:04:33] in 2023 what is involved with

[3:04:33] our streets in our city

[3:04:38] throughout our city and I

[3:04:39] believe that it has been many,

[3:04:40] many years much more than four

[3:04:44] I think even more than seven

[3:04:44] since that kind of an

[3:04:45] assessment had been made.

[3:04:51] And I also think I recall that

[3:04:51] they used some kind of

[3:04:56] ultrasound to check on

[3:04:57] the street And how many miles

[3:04:57] of streets do we have?

[3:04:58] It's an incredibly large number

[3:05:02] of is a very large city about

[3:05:03] 6600 miles.

[3:05:07] >> Well, I saw something in

[3:05:08] your about 6600 lanes laneways

[3:05:14] or something.

[3:05:14] Correct.

[3:05:15] Was lane way the same as a mile

[3:05:20] Lane Miles Lane miles.

[3:05:20] Okay.

[3:05:21] So we're doing both sides of

[3:05:21] the streets.

[3:05:25] It's a lot at any rate.

[3:05:26] >> Am I correct that it was an

[3:05:26] ultrasound kind of a machine?

[3:05:32] Yes, they do The laser when

[3:05:32] they do the assessment they

[3:05:33] have bands that does the laser

[3:05:34] evaluation of the street.

[3:05:37] So we're bouncing the light off

[3:05:38] the street to see the depth of

[3:05:39] the holes in the cracks etc.

[3:05:43] Correct.

[3:05:43] Okay.

[3:05:44] Well my understanding at

[3:05:44] the time was that that was kind

[3:05:50] of a new process and that this

[3:05:50] was one of the few companies

[3:05:51] that did it.

[3:05:55] Now am I correct in that or at

[3:05:55] that time it seemed like that

[3:05:56] was the only people who really

[3:06:01] could do this Is the really we

[3:06:02] think there is other if you're

[3:06:07] referring to the pavement

[3:06:08] condition assessment Council

[3:06:08] member that that one is we're

[3:06:09] doing the rfp for that

[3:06:13] currently We just pass that on

[3:06:14] to purchasing contracting to

[3:06:19] build an advertisement so that

[3:06:20] is in route to to be advertise.

[3:06:21] >> Okay so this contract is

[3:06:25] only for the software that

[3:06:26] the software correct Then goes

[3:06:27] our pci evaluation

[3:06:31] the deterioration curve

[3:06:32] modeling and so and then

[3:06:33] the recommendations for

[3:06:37] treatments It's that computer

[3:06:37] software.

[3:06:38] >> Okay well I agree with us

[3:06:39] Let's let's get it back there.

[3:06:43] Let's do the rfp.

[3:06:44] Let's change policy though so

[3:06:45] that whenever something comes

[3:06:49] up we do an rfp.

[3:06:50] I suggest we start at least 12

[3:06:51] months at a time because if

[3:06:54] you're doing the three

[3:06:55] different departments as you

[3:06:55] mentioned, it takes a lot of

[3:06:56] time for somebody to get

[3:06:59] together and get on the same

[3:07:00] page, etc. So I think I think

[3:07:06] we should start earlier and I'm

[3:07:07] glad that we're going to send

[3:07:08] it back and you're going to

[3:07:08] have a lot of work to do pretty

[3:07:12] quickly here.

[3:07:13] There MAY be other companies

[3:07:13] that in the ensuing three four

[3:07:14] years have come up with a

[3:07:17] method of doing it.

[3:07:19] As I recall, it took a year or

[3:07:19] two before that actual physical

[3:07:24] assessment of the oci took

[3:07:24] place and then we had to put it

[3:07:25] into computers and get it all

[3:07:29] organized right?

[3:07:30] So it's a long process and it's

[3:07:35] very worthwhile and it shows us

[3:07:35] which streets should be our

[3:07:36] priority to fix.

[3:07:37] And so I think it is very

[3:07:41] important.

[3:07:42] I'm glad it's going back.

[3:07:42] I'll be supportive of that and

[3:07:43] I wish you luck in speeding

[3:07:47] things up and being a little

[3:07:48] bit more on top And I'm

[3:07:49] interested in what the number

[3:07:53] of people show in regard to

[3:07:54] actually measuring the problems

[3:07:54] in the streets.

[3:07:59] Thank you.

[3:07:59] All right.

[3:08:00] Thank you Council member Okay.

[3:08:01] So the motion on the floor is

[3:08:05] to return it to staff.

[3:08:06] I made the motion Councilmember

[3:08:07] Sheila Rivera Seconded.

[3:08:09] Clerk Please call the roll.

[3:08:10] >> I'm sorry The voting system

[3:08:15] Please cast your vote That

[3:08:21] passes unanimously 7 to 0 with

[3:08:22] Council Councilmember

[3:08:23] originally Councilmember Campo

[3:08:23] Absent the accounts.

[3:08:24] PRESIDENT All right.

[3:08:27] Thank you to everybody in

[3:08:28] the Transportation Department

[3:08:28] And now getting these

[3:08:32] conversations and the work you

[3:08:33] do for us every day.

[3:08:34] So with that we will now take

[3:08:38] up non agenda public comment

[3:08:38] Council members respect and

[3:08:39] appreciate the public input and

[3:08:40] are fully committed to

[3:08:40] protecting every participant's

[3:08:45] free speech rights at council

[3:08:45] and committee meetings.

[3:08:46] >> Clerk Please proceed with

[3:08:46] public comment.

[3:08:47] Thank you.

[3:08:51] Council PRESIDENT For all $2.7

[3:08:52] million public comment is an

[3:08:52] opportunity for members of

[3:08:53] the public to comment on items

[3:08:56] that are not on the agenda but

[3:08:57] within the subject matter

[3:08:57] jurisdiction of the City

[3:08:58] Council.

[3:08:58] Each speaker will have two

[3:08:59] minutes.

[3:09:01] Please note if there are eight

[3:09:02] or more speakers on a single

[3:09:02] topic either in-person or

[3:09:03] virtual the maximum time for

[3:09:08] the topic will be 16 minutes.

[3:09:08] If you're in chambers please

[3:09:09] submit your speaker slip.

[3:09:10] If you're joining us virtually

[3:09:13] please raise your hand to speak

[3:09:14] by tapping the raise your hand

[3:09:14] icon or if your card

[3:09:15] participants start nine we can

[3:09:18] have Kate Callaghan please come

[3:09:19] up to the microphone.

[3:09:20] After that we have Paul Kruger,

[3:09:25] Yusef Miller, Maximilian

[3:09:26] Schmidt and allegedly Audra if

[3:09:26] you all can please come forward

[3:09:31] to the front row for better

[3:09:31] meeting management you can come

[3:09:32] up to the microphone and begin

[3:09:37] when ready for that.

[3:09:37] Much better.

[3:09:42] Thank you.

[3:09:43] My comments have to do with

[3:09:43] the closure of the Mission Bay

[3:09:47] restrooms On JULY 10th

[3:09:48] the Union-Tribune ran an

[3:09:48] editorial headlined Petulant

[3:09:53] City Closes Mission Bay

[3:09:54] Bathrooms to Punish Tax Weary

[3:09:54] Residents.

[3:09:59] The editors wrote this This

[3:10:00] decision isn't just obscenely

[3:10:00] elitist it's also dangerous on

[3:10:05] public health grounds.

[3:10:06] It is a punishment aimed at San

[3:10:07] Diegans who are increasingly

[3:10:11] hostile to the constant push

[3:10:11] for higher fees and taxes.

[3:10:16] And the savings are tiny

[3:10:16] $546,000.

[3:10:21] You could get that amount by

[3:10:21] eliminating five vacant city

[3:10:22] positions.

[3:10:22] It's time for residents to rise

[3:10:27] up and demand that elected

[3:10:28] leaders and their petty assault

[3:10:32] on their own constituents.

[3:10:33] Enough is enough.

[3:10:34] How many of you have ever been

[3:10:39] at Mission Bay Park with a four

[3:10:39] year old who desperately needs

[3:10:40] to use a restroom?

[3:10:45] Anybody?

[3:10:46] If you'd had that experience

[3:10:46] you would know why this rather

[3:10:51] small funding cut is having

[3:10:51] such a large impact and it

[3:10:52] seems incredibly cruel.

[3:10:57] The Union-Tribune suggests

[3:10:58] payroll cuts to restore

[3:10:58] the funding to keep

[3:10:59] the bathrooms open.

[3:11:03] We know you won't do that.

[3:11:04] You will not part with

[3:11:04] the staff.

[3:11:05] So let me suggest another way

[3:11:09] to pay for mission Bay

[3:11:10] Bathrooms To stay open you're

[3:11:14] going to spend 2.2 million to

[3:11:15] remodel a walkway near

[3:11:15] the Santa Fe depot.

[3:11:16] Think about that.

[3:11:20] You can find $2 million to

[3:11:21] beautify a downtown alleyway

[3:11:21] but you can't find a half

[3:11:26] million to keep public public

[3:11:27] beach restrooms open.

[3:11:32] So think about this.

[3:11:33] Get rid of some of

[3:11:33] the embellishments on

[3:11:34] the beautification of

[3:11:34] the alleyway.

[3:11:37] Take 600,000 out of that

[3:11:38] project and put it into

[3:11:38] the Mission bay bathrooms and

[3:11:39] keep them open.

[3:11:44] It's not too late.

[3:11:44] >> You can do this.

[3:11:45] Thank you for that comforting

[3:11:45] comment.

[3:11:49] Paula Kruger Thank you very

[3:11:49] much.

[3:11:50] I'm also here to talk about

[3:11:51] the Mission bay restrooms.

[3:11:55] You've seen this map of

[3:11:55] the closures.

[3:11:56] I don't know how you do it but

[3:12:00] you need to reopen these

[3:12:01] restrooms.

[3:12:01] It's vitally important.

[3:12:02] It's a matter of public health

[3:12:06] as you've read just a personal

[3:12:07] note, you have a comment from

[3:12:07] someone who's urging you to do

[3:12:12] whatever it takes to keep them

[3:12:13] open and said that they have a

[3:12:14] intestinal bowel disease called

[3:12:18] Crohn's disease.

[3:12:19] I had ulcerative colitis for 12

[3:12:19] years.

[3:12:20] You know there's a hundred

[3:12:24] hundreds of thousands of people

[3:12:25] who need to use the bathroom

[3:12:26] when they need to use it and

[3:12:26] that would mean not giving

[3:12:29] the mission back for these

[3:12:30] closures.

[3:12:31] I am not going to cast any

[3:12:31] blame.

[3:12:36] I'm not going to make any

[3:12:37] references to motivation about

[3:12:37] punishment.

[3:12:41] I don't care what it is or why

[3:12:42] we've done this But they need

[3:12:42] to be reopened.

[3:12:46] There's nine city council

[3:12:46] offices in the mayor's office

[3:12:50] that makes 1050 $4,000 from

[3:12:51] each of you.

[3:12:51] Kate suggestion about the alley

[3:12:56] is an excellent one.

[3:12:56] Look, if you can't find

[3:12:57] the money I guarantee you there

[3:13:02] are volunteer groups out there.

[3:13:03] I ran with them there.

[3:13:03] They're joggers, there's

[3:13:08] walkers.

[3:13:09] How many five kids can we have

[3:13:09] out there?

[3:13:10] There are people who will man

[3:13:11] these restaurants.

[3:13:13] I mean these restrooms If you

[3:13:14] can make some agreement with

[3:13:15] labor groups if that's what it

[3:13:18] takes.

[3:13:24] Lastly, I just want to say that

[3:13:24] I understand the budget

[3:13:25] restraints.

[3:13:29] I hope that you at the same

[3:13:29] time understand the skepticism

[3:13:35] and frustration of voters And

[3:13:36] if if 100,000 people could have

[3:13:40] heard what you just heard about

[3:13:41] what I will say is

[3:13:45] the incompetence of the city

[3:13:46] staff, then maybe you would

[3:13:47] understand again why people are

[3:13:51] reticent to vote.

[3:13:52] >> Thank you for that

[3:13:53] concluding comment.

[3:13:53] Yusef Miller If you can please

[3:14:02] come forward.

[3:14:03] >> My name is Yusef Miller

[3:14:03] Saving lives in Custody

[3:14:04] California and it is impossible

[3:14:07] for me to overstate how

[3:14:08] impactful MISS Kelly Davis was

[3:14:13] to the entire county of San

[3:14:13] Diego.

[3:14:13] And I want to highlight some of

[3:14:14] the things that makes her such

[3:14:18] a giant in our county that

[3:14:19] impacted not only our county

[3:14:19] but the entire state of

[3:14:20] California.

[3:14:23] In her research on in-custody

[3:14:24] deaths in San Diego County from

[3:14:25] city beat all the way up to

[3:14:29] Union-Tribune galvanized a

[3:14:29] organization of people making

[3:14:30] sure if we want to make change

[3:14:34] to that called Saving Lives in

[3:14:35] Custody campaign that saving

[3:14:36] lives in custody campaign

[3:14:39] inspired people to encourage

[3:14:40] the state to come in and look

[3:14:41] at San Diego County on

[3:14:45] the in-custody death rate That

[3:14:45] audit came in and decided that

[3:14:50] we have problems that we need

[3:14:51] to fix that sponsor a saving

[3:14:55] the Lives and Custody Act that

[3:14:56] was done by DR. Akilah Weber at

[3:14:57] the time she was assembly

[3:15:01] member and that bill made

[3:15:01] changes towards in-custody

[3:15:06] deaths with the pcc with a

[3:15:06] companion bill sb 519 Both of

[3:15:11] those passed into law from

[3:15:11] the background of in

[3:15:12] the foundation of the work of

[3:15:16] Kelly Davis when when this

[3:15:17] happened all of the state is

[3:15:18] looking at San Diego what's

[3:15:22] going on impact of family

[3:15:22] members that saw how they

[3:15:23] the family members here in San

[3:15:27] Diego were represented they

[3:15:27] also started doing the same

[3:15:28] things in Riverside County,

[3:15:32] L.A. County, northern state in

[3:15:32] Orange County.

[3:15:33] Everybody were inspired and

[3:15:38] stood up on the foundation of

[3:15:38] Kelly Davis and Jeff McDonald.

[3:15:42] This cannot be overstated on

[3:15:43] the value that it has to people

[3:15:47] who have lost lives in custody

[3:15:47] .

[3:15:48] These lives are on retrievable

[3:15:49] But what we can do and what we

[3:15:53] have been doing in jail and

[3:15:54] police reform is making sure

[3:15:55] that there are no more Elisa's

[3:15:55] attorneys.

[3:15:58] There are no more Matthew

[3:15:59] Settles, there are no more

[3:15:59] Heather Mills and so on.

[3:16:02] >> All of that is based on

[3:16:03] the work of Kelly Davis.

[3:16:03] >> Thank you.

[3:16:04] Thank you Maximilian Schmidt if

[3:16:06] you can please and please come

[3:16:11] forward.

[3:16:16] >> Hi.

[3:16:17] I'm really excited to spearhead

[3:16:20] this new idea that is

[3:16:21] forecasted to actually be in

[3:16:25] every urban city urban center

[3:16:26] in America as soon as the price

[3:16:27] of electric bicycles, electric

[3:16:31] scooters or electric one wheels

[3:16:36] on an electric skateboards gets

[3:16:36] cheaper, it's projected that

[3:16:37] more and more cities are going

[3:16:41] to have complete ban on all

[3:16:41] electric powered modes of

[3:16:46] transportation on strictly

[3:16:46] the sidewalks that is

[3:16:47] forecasted that every American

[3:16:51] city is going to completely ban

[3:16:55] electric powered things on

[3:16:56] sidewalks And San Diego is

[3:16:57] known as one of the most

[3:17:00] walkable cities.

[3:17:01] So we can spearhead the United

[3:17:05] States of America and making

[3:17:05] our sidewalks more comfortable

[3:17:06] and safer knowing the projected

[3:17:10] price of electric scooters,

[3:17:11] Skateboards are going to just

[3:17:16] get cheaper and cheaper.

[3:17:16] And how do we do this though?

[3:17:20] Because this is a big change.

[3:17:21] How do we do this without

[3:17:22] seeming almost tyrannical and

[3:17:25] how do we do this fast?

[3:17:26] I would like to try and fast

[3:17:30] track to this and I've even

[3:17:30] almost been killed by electric

[3:17:31] scooter walking down the street

[3:17:32] and it can be traumatizing.

[3:17:34] I say the fast track to this

[3:17:35] MAY be on our local news We say

[3:17:38] we're going to take a vote of

[3:17:39] do you think we should ban all

[3:17:40] electric motor transportation

[3:17:43] And I think it overwhelmingly

[3:17:44] people would vote yes.

[3:17:44] And for what it's worth if you

[3:17:48] are all like a skilled like

[3:17:48] electric skateboard or whatnot

[3:17:49] on many streets you can ride it

[3:17:53] safely on the street with a

[3:17:54] helmet And also we spend so

[3:17:58] much money on busses and

[3:17:59] the trolley and modes of

[3:18:00] transportation that people can

[3:18:03] use to keep our sidewalks

[3:18:04] peaceful that it's a shame that

[3:18:08] an electric powered scooter or

[3:18:09] something can ruin the sidewalk

[3:18:12] and we spend so much money on

[3:18:13] the trolley or on busses that

[3:18:13] are other modes of

[3:18:16] transportation.

[3:18:17] >> Thank you for that

[3:18:18] concluding comment allegedly.

[3:18:19] Andre if you can please come

[3:18:27] forward talk about in

[3:18:27] the shower or be in the role

[3:18:31] that dirty business is going

[3:18:31] on.

[3:18:32] It's so interesting to be a fly

[3:18:33] on the wall and see all these

[3:18:36] like eye raises going on like

[3:18:37] oh we're in trouble.

[3:18:41] Oh, just Broadway snub you so

[3:18:42] good.

[3:18:46] >> And speaking of that, I'd

[3:18:46] like to speak of the malicious

[3:18:47] nepotism that took place last

[3:18:51] week with the Emerald Hills

[3:18:52] though that was totally illegal

[3:18:52] because this item was not

[3:18:56] noticed properly And the fact

[3:19:00] that Monica Montgomery step got

[3:19:00] five minutes to come in and she

[3:19:01] spoke and her mother spoke

[3:19:05] right And they have a

[3:19:05] construction company who is

[3:19:09] contracted to work on this

[3:19:10] contract.

[3:19:10] >> So that's interesting.

[3:19:15] And then I wonder Henry, I mean

[3:19:15] is your construction company

[3:19:16] too or is that going to go

[3:19:19] through the services that

[3:19:20] the Montgomery's provide

[3:19:21] probably to hook your family

[3:19:21] up, Right?

[3:19:24] That's why you guys told me

[3:19:25] screwed over your community by

[3:19:30] using them using the black

[3:19:30] community saying we want to get

[3:19:31] you guys in housing which will

[3:19:34] Montgomery's will benefit from

[3:19:35] from the real estate.

[3:19:35] So that's interesting.

[3:19:39] I mean even Steve is so stupid

[3:19:40] to go online and admit to

[3:19:41] the money that's going to be

[3:19:44] made by that family like Monica

[3:19:45] Price should real women you

[3:19:46] know what I mean?

[3:19:49] Instead of having to me and

[3:19:49] like well what about all these

[3:19:50] other companies that are going

[3:19:51] to make money off of this

[3:19:53] project?

[3:19:54] >> Should we be looking at them

[3:19:54] too?

[3:19:55] And what's secure huh?

[3:19:59] So it's like fraud can continue

[3:19:59] because people are going to

[3:20:03] make money and all while you

[3:20:04] guys gaslight your own

[3:20:04] community.

[3:20:08] >> How sad is that Waiting for

[3:20:09] 50 years for a park and they're

[3:20:13] horribly against that project

[3:20:14] and you guys put profit over

[3:20:17] people.

[3:20:18] It's so sad.

[3:20:19] It's so sad because that was

[3:20:22] totally illegally done and I

[3:20:23] hope the community stalls this

[3:20:27] project and to no avail because

[3:20:28] of your guys's own negligence.

[3:20:32] >> Good job.

[3:20:33] >> I started the five minute

[3:20:33] timer going to those

[3:20:34] participating remotely.

[3:20:35] We currently have 16 people in

[3:20:36] the queue.

[3:20:37] >> Tell me if you can please

[3:20:41] unmute.

[3:20:41] >> Yes.

[3:20:41] Can you hear me?

[3:20:42] Yes.

[3:20:45] Please proceed.

[3:20:46] Yes I wanted to start by

[3:20:50] thanking you City Clerk Diana

[3:20:51] Fuentes and I want to thank

[3:20:51] Council PRESIDENT Joe LaCava

[3:20:52] for the tremendous work that

[3:20:55] you all did couple of weeks ago

[3:20:56] with saving the group

[3:20:56] presentations that were

[3:21:00] potentially on the chopping

[3:21:03] block in some places due to sb

[3:21:04] 707 Fantastic job on saving

[3:21:05] group presentations and not

[3:21:08] only saving them but extending

[3:21:09] them and enabling us to be able

[3:21:13] to conduct them online.

[3:21:14] I can't tell you how beneficial

[3:21:15] that is to someone like me who

[3:21:18] juggles work in the city but

[3:21:19] resides in the back country and

[3:21:20] I make a tremendous sacrifice

[3:21:23] to stay engaged both virtually

[3:21:23] and in person.

[3:21:28] I think that there is some more

[3:21:29] work that we could do I would

[3:21:32] really love I love that debate

[3:21:33] and both of those items were

[3:21:33] being discussed.

[3:21:36] There was the presentation by

[3:21:37] given by I believe her name is

[3:21:38] Victoria Brousseau.

[3:21:41] She was represents the planning

[3:21:42] groups and she was talking

[3:21:42] about the seat at the table.

[3:21:43] Now obviously this is something

[3:21:47] that they've been talking about

[3:21:47] for a long time and I don't

[3:21:48] expect you all to want like

[3:21:51] want to share or cede power

[3:21:52] with these groups.

[3:21:53] But I do think that it would be

[3:21:56] awesome if we could help

[3:21:57] facilitate something like what

[3:22:01] is done at council meetings at

[3:22:05] I'm sorry the County Board of

[3:22:06] Supervisors meetings during

[3:22:07] their planning commission

[3:22:10] meetings where they enable

[3:22:10] planning group members

[3:22:15] specifically like chairs or

[3:22:16] vice chairs to have a little

[3:22:16] bit more time to speak because

[3:22:20] they you know they respect and

[3:22:20] acknowledge that we often serve

[3:22:21] as liaisons to members of

[3:22:25] the public that don't always

[3:22:26] necessarily know about all

[3:22:26] the issues.

[3:22:30] And so they they come to us as

[3:22:31] sort of people that can help

[3:22:35] more readily and easily digest

[3:22:35] some of the I guess we're more

[3:22:36] accessible, right?

[3:22:39] You all are super busy making

[3:22:40] all the decisions on everything

[3:22:41] So when we get to see it this

[3:22:45] enables us to be able to

[3:22:46] communicate it and we can have

[3:22:46] a little bit more time to

[3:22:46] speak.

[3:22:50] It would be really beneficial

[3:22:52] but your time included Francine

[3:22:53] Maxwell If you can please

[3:22:58] unmute Ranking Maxwell

[3:22:58] Southeastern San Diego resident

[3:23:03] I'm hoping that before

[3:23:07] legislative break the same way

[3:23:08] that this is the previous items

[3:23:08] are going to come back early

[3:23:12] that the council decides to

[3:23:13] have something come back early

[3:23:16] that would help build trust as

[3:23:17] we're looking forward for you

[3:23:22] to approve the settlement for

[3:23:22] San Diego Police Department

[3:23:26] Sergeant Art Scott where you

[3:23:27] guys were at a committee

[3:23:27] meeting and I spoke about

[3:23:31] something being sealed and

[3:23:35] you're going to award him $3.1

[3:23:35] million which is absolutely

[3:23:36] wonderful.

[3:23:39] But we need to dig deeper.

[3:23:40] We need to go to the root cause

[3:23:44] of why the city of San Diego is

[3:23:45] about to pay Art Scott San

[3:23:48] Diego Police Department

[3:23:49] Sergeant $3.1 million.

[3:23:53] We need to make sure that

[3:23:54] policies and procedures for

[3:23:58] the four years that he has been

[3:23:59] punished by death duty that

[3:24:00] policies and procedures have

[3:24:03] changed.

[3:24:04] We need to have a hearing.

[3:24:05] We need to be shared.

[3:24:08] The cultural changes that have

[3:24:09] been put into place by

[3:24:13] the leadership of San Diego

[3:24:14] Police Department and we need

[3:24:14] to have a pre conversation

[3:24:18] about the layoffs lawsuit

[3:24:19] because you're going to settle

[3:24:20] with that police officer as

[3:24:23] well.

[3:24:24] So let's get ahead of it and

[3:24:25] let's have conversation

[3:24:28] intentional conversation

[3:24:29] because we do want to build

[3:24:33] trust between the community and

[3:24:34] the city council so that if you

[3:24:35] decide to come up with another

[3:24:39] tax and another fee we could

[3:24:39] really discuss it and get to

[3:24:43] the root cause of it of why

[3:24:44] we're being asked Again, we

[3:24:47] have a lot of things that we

[3:24:48] could build and we could begin

[3:24:49] to trust each other if we would

[3:24:52] have the hard conversations.

[3:24:53] So again utilize the idea

[3:24:58] utilize race and equity while

[3:24:58] we're on legislative break.

[3:25:01] Thank you Terence Kelly If you

[3:25:06] can please unmute.

[3:25:06] >> Good afternoon San Diego

[3:25:07] City Council.

[3:25:11] My name is Terry Ann Skelly.

[3:25:12] I'm a planning group member, a

[3:25:12] parent and a public health

[3:25:15] educator adding my support for

[3:25:16] the work of street maintenance

[3:25:20] and infrastructure considered

[3:25:21] in the agenda item earlier this

[3:25:21] afternoon.

[3:25:22] I'd like to include in

[3:25:22] the conversation that

[3:25:26] the conditions of many of our

[3:25:26] roads in the city have more

[3:25:30] rural lands adjoining them

[3:25:31] especially need upkeep.

[3:25:35] Also since the number of drunk

[3:25:35] and drug impaired traffic

[3:25:36] crashes increases during

[3:25:40] the summertime I have been very

[3:25:40] pleased to see these signs in

[3:25:41] my neighborhoods such as Don't

[3:25:45] be there I in dui, drive high,

[3:25:50] get a dui and especially buzzed

[3:25:50] driving is drunk driving.

[3:25:55] >> These are all near my house.

[3:25:55] San Diego Police Department is

[3:25:58] constantly reminding citizens

[3:25:59] that driving under

[3:26:00] the influence doesn't just

[3:26:04] refer to alcohol prescription

[3:26:05] medications, over-the-counter

[3:26:05] drugs and marijuana can also

[3:26:09] impair especially in

[3:26:10] combination with alcohol and

[3:26:10] other drugs.

[3:26:14] Recently the National Safety

[3:26:15] Council fact sheet repeated

[3:26:15] that and I quote It is unsafe

[3:26:18] to be under the influence of

[3:26:19] cannabis.

[3:26:19] Intoxicating cannabis products

[3:26:20] can have a major impact on

[3:26:24] safety on our roadways because

[3:26:24] marijuana use slows reaction

[3:26:29] time impacts short term memory

[3:26:33] and impairs skills essential to

[3:26:34] driving And quote These driving

[3:26:34] skills include the ability to

[3:26:38] judge traffic lane positions

[3:26:39] and subsequent lane weaving For

[3:26:43] all of these reasons my

[3:26:44] neighbors and me do not want an

[3:26:44] increase in access in marijuana

[3:26:48] sales here in San Diego.

[3:26:49] >> Thank you for hearing my

[3:26:50] concerns this afternoon.

[3:26:50] Thank you.

[3:26:54] Katherine Douglas if you can

[3:26:55] please unmute The five minute

[3:26:55] timer also concluded here in

[3:26:58] council chambers are 14

[3:26:59] speakers in the queue.

[3:26:59] No additional speakers will be

[3:27:03] taken.

[3:27:03] >> Please proceed.

[3:27:04] Good afternoon.

[3:27:05] I just like to say

[3:27:08] congratulations to those who

[3:27:08] were seated today on

[3:27:12] the Commission on Police

[3:27:12] Practices.

[3:27:13] I wish them good luck.

[3:27:17] I hope they are effective.

[3:27:21] I would also like to ask that

[3:27:22] one joining the Commission on

[3:27:26] Police Practices as well as

[3:27:27] those who are currently sitting

[3:27:30] on the board that they attend

[3:27:34] inside sd pd which is put on

[3:27:34] three times a year by the San

[3:27:35] Diego Police Foundation I

[3:27:40] believe I'm not sure that

[3:27:40] the date has been announced but

[3:27:45] I believe that the next inside

[3:27:46] sd pd will be in the month of

[3:27:48] NOVEMBER probably the first one

[3:27:52] of the first two Saturdays.

[3:27:53] That information can be found

[3:27:57] on the San Diego Police

[3:27:57] Foundation website and they

[3:27:58] will post it as soon as they

[3:28:01] have confirmed those one of

[3:28:02] those two dates.

[3:28:02] It's enlightening.

[3:28:06] It's fun, it's educational and

[3:28:11] it's important that people who

[3:28:11] are making decisions related to

[3:28:15] the police department attend

[3:28:20] this function and the San Diego

[3:28:20] Police Foundation would be

[3:28:21] happy to waive the normal

[3:28:26] surcharge for going.

[3:28:26] The other thing I'd like to

[3:28:30] speak on is the restrooms at

[3:28:30] the beaches.

[3:28:31] I have the privilege if I'm

[3:28:35] down there to whip homes but

[3:28:36] most people don't and I'm very

[3:28:39] afraid of another bay or

[3:28:40] whatever that disastrous thing

[3:28:45] was that cost the city tons of

[3:28:45] money.

[3:28:46] I think we need to find money

[3:28:50] to keep those restrooms open.

[3:28:50] Thank you.

[3:28:51] Thank you.

[3:28:51] Next is Barbara Gordon.

[3:28:54] If you can please unmute.

[3:28:59] Thank you.

[3:29:00] Of driving around San Diego

[3:29:01] it's hard to MISS Cannabis

[3:29:04] Advertisement or billboards

[3:29:05] promoting cannabis as a

[3:29:09] treatment for virtually every

[3:29:10] condition.

[3:29:10] We all want to reduce suffering

[3:29:14] but medicalised and

[3:29:15] commercializing of high potency

[3:29:19] and toxin has produced rising

[3:29:19] addiction poisoning premature

[3:29:24] cardiovascular disease,

[3:29:24] emergency rooms, traffic

[3:29:25] fatalities and serious

[3:29:29] psychiatric harms especially

[3:29:30] among our youth.

[3:29:33] Modern medicine has better

[3:29:34] tools to release suffering and

[3:29:34] we should use them.

[3:29:38] DR. Bertha Madras.

[3:29:39] She's a Harvard medical

[3:29:43] professor of psychobiology

[3:29:44] speaks to the rising rate of

[3:29:44] cannabis use disorder.

[3:29:48] It's claiming potency and

[3:29:49] the research linking marijuana

[3:29:53] to psychosis and schizophrenia

[3:29:57] which most psychiatry must

[3:29:58] agree as a contributing cause.

[3:30:02] And the L.A. Times editorial

[3:30:03] confirms the reality of

[3:30:03] cannabis use which is long

[3:30:08] predicted by experts

[3:30:08] the increased potency in

[3:30:13] particular daily and nearly

[3:30:13] daily consumption Addiction is

[3:30:17] real and it affects 1 in 10

[3:30:18] users and it's higher among

[3:30:18] heavy users.

[3:30:22] What's the serious medical help

[3:30:22] existing again with psychosis

[3:30:27] and psychiatric emergencies?

[3:30:27] The profit driven marijuana

[3:30:32] industry big weed mirrors

[3:30:33] the tactics of big tobacco and

[3:30:37] big alcohol.

[3:30:37] I urge the city to take

[3:30:41] stronger actions limiting

[3:30:42] marijuana businesses

[3:30:43] advertisement and marketing.

[3:30:47] Thank you very much for letting

[3:30:47] me speak.

[3:30:48] Thank you.

[3:30:49] It's 8700 if you can please.

[3:30:57] >> And you start six Joy

[3:30:58] Sinatra I'll be speaking on

[3:31:02] the structure of budget deficit

[3:31:03] in the Statement of Budgetary

[3:31:07] Principles which were approved

[3:31:13] at the last b n g e g, b, g and

[3:31:16] e meeting and the Council will

[3:31:17] look at the principles in late

[3:31:21] AUGUST So one word I want to

[3:31:26] point on the principle and

[3:31:27] we're going to we're going to

[3:31:28] go in a different direction but

[3:31:31] same topic The word any I spoke

[3:31:36] very strongly on this last year

[3:31:37] and what you're really keeping

[3:31:38] my fingers crossed that

[3:31:38] the word any would be

[3:31:41] eliminated from the structural

[3:31:42] budget from the statement of

[3:31:46] budgetary principles and so far

[3:31:50] it hasn't been So I researched

[3:31:51] the word any again and this

[3:31:55] these principles are pointing

[3:31:59] at one period f y 27 when it's

[3:32:04] one singular item and it's not

[3:32:09] apply in my understanding So it

[3:32:14] must reconsider getting rid of

[3:32:14] that word any We have a

[3:32:18] structural budget deficit And

[3:32:19] so here's what I'm going to

[3:32:23] switch gears just a little bit

[3:32:23] .

[3:32:24] What we just did on that last

[3:32:28] item was fabulous because he

[3:32:29] got me to shine a light on what

[3:32:33] we're missing on the structural

[3:32:33] budget deficit We're missing

[3:32:38] how to change it, how to

[3:32:39] improve it.

[3:32:39] Do you see we have

[3:32:40] the legislative branch and we

[3:32:43] have the executive branch.

[3:32:44] You know we have

[3:32:45] the operational end of it.

[3:32:48] It's apples and oranges And did

[3:32:49] you see how difficult it is to

[3:32:52] understand the resources they

[3:32:53] have, the processes they go to

[3:32:58] transfer dictation.

[3:32:59] What you did was beautiful and

[3:32:59] what the council did was

[3:33:02] beautiful.

[3:33:03] It has absolutely Your time has

[3:33:04] concluded Hector Ocampos And

[3:33:07] you Thanks Hector here.

[3:33:12] >> And that was very political,

[3:33:12] you guys.

[3:33:13] Man When most of you guys were

[3:33:16] dumbfounded when the city guys

[3:33:17] were saying Well I don't know

[3:33:18] how it happened.

[3:33:21] He did it does very political

[3:33:22] you guys.

[3:33:22] There's so many companies that

[3:33:27] can do that job but any more

[3:33:30] software programs it's Hey I

[3:33:31] now man you can take get all

[3:33:32] the information you've already

[3:33:35] paid for from that company.

[3:33:36] You own the rights to the data

[3:33:37] that haven't upgraded to

[3:33:40] the day It's over.

[3:33:41] Get the data and go to an A.I.

[3:33:45] Guy who could do it on I like

[3:33:46] in 20 minutes It's not that

[3:33:51] much to switch the data now.

[3:33:52] Now we can go to Elon Musk and

[3:33:52] ask him Hey Eli, can you give

[3:33:55] us a road map to all his cars

[3:34:00] Road map all this everywhere

[3:34:00] thousands of times a day in San

[3:34:01] Diego And he might just tweet

[3:34:04] bag and he might give us

[3:34:05] the information.

[3:34:05] He does it every day Potholes,

[3:34:09] everything for his cars So he

[3:34:10] might give it to us for

[3:34:10] nothing.

[3:34:14] We could just ask him or you

[3:34:15] guys might know someone who

[3:34:16] knows or know someone who knows

[3:34:19] them and we could just ask and

[3:34:20] we need help, you know we can't

[3:34:20] figure it out.

[3:34:23] We're given these no bid

[3:34:24] contracts out just on a whim

[3:34:29] and we're just supposed to take

[3:34:30] it And then the ibt guys

[3:34:33] the down sky they've got to

[3:34:33] work 20 hours a week.

[3:34:34] We could have them clean

[3:34:38] the bathroom, clean

[3:34:38] the bathrooms and clean

[3:34:43] the trash at the beaches, pick

[3:34:44] up all the trash.

[3:34:44] No more big trash trucks

[3:34:48] driving around the army, You

[3:34:49] guys we could have a thousand

[3:34:50] guys a day down there doing

[3:34:52] their four hours a week or 20

[3:34:53] hours a week.

[3:34:57] So that would be a lot of a lot

[3:34:58] of money And it would it's a

[3:35:02] nice job but it's pretty easy.

[3:35:03] It's out in the open And then

[3:35:07] plus when you got to go and

[3:35:08] you're older like me, you got

[3:35:09] to go There's no you got to go

[3:35:12] now Max if your time has

[3:35:13] concluded Dunning If you can

[3:35:19] please unmute.

[3:35:19] Good afternoon.

[3:35:20] My name is Chuck Dunning.

[3:35:24] I am a member of the Mission

[3:35:24] Bay Park Committee but today

[3:35:25] I'm speaking as a private

[3:35:26] citizen and everything I have

[3:35:28] to say is not reflective of any

[3:35:29] actions or opinions of

[3:35:33] the committee but I am

[3:35:34] extremely concerned of

[3:35:38] the effects going forward With

[3:35:39] half of the restrooms in

[3:35:39] Mission Bay Park being closed

[3:35:43] and I think that at this point

[3:35:44] it's it's relatively recent and

[3:35:49] you're only beginning to hear

[3:35:50] the blowback that's going to

[3:35:50] come from this.

[3:35:54] The county samples mission, Bay

[3:35:54] Park and the other county

[3:35:57] beaches every week and the last

[3:35:58] week three beaches in Mission

[3:35:59] Bay Park were yellow flag for

[3:36:02] unhealthy levels of human waste

[3:36:03] bacteria.

[3:36:04] Can you stop and imagine what's

[3:36:08] going to happen when half of

[3:36:08] these restrooms are closed?

[3:36:09] And I think I've heard other

[3:36:09] solutions.

[3:36:12] This is not just a complaint

[3:36:13] but there is a solution out

[3:36:14] there Also you all know about

[3:36:17] the Golf Enterprise Fund.

[3:36:18] It sits with $5.5 million right

[3:36:18] now.

[3:36:19] It was established when

[3:36:22] the golf courses were not

[3:36:22] making money to make sure there

[3:36:23] was money for maintenance.

[3:36:26] Well now all three courses are

[3:36:27] making good money and they can

[3:36:27] certainly fund their own

[3:36:28] maintenance.

[3:36:30] Matter of fact, Mission Bay

[3:36:31] Golf Course just opened a brand

[3:36:32] new restaurant so I don't

[3:36:36] understand why the Park and Rec

[3:36:36] department which covers both

[3:36:37] the Mission Bay Park and

[3:36:41] the golf courses cannot tap

[3:36:44] the Golf Enterprise Fund for

[3:36:48] 546,000 of that 5.5 million for

[3:36:49] a short term loan to get these

[3:36:50] bathrooms cleaned.

[3:36:53] I think you all ought to also

[3:36:54] ask the park and rec department

[3:36:54] at the end of the summer just

[3:36:55] how much money was saved When

[3:36:59] you look at the extra any extra

[3:36:59] maintenance that's going to

[3:37:02] occur with 13 bathrooms being

[3:37:02] open and used by the same

[3:37:03] amount of hundred thousand

[3:37:07] people a day, you know Mission

[3:37:08] Bay Park is the front door to

[3:37:11] this city and we've just now

[3:37:12] locked 13 of those doors.

[3:37:13] >> Thank you.

[3:37:16] Thank you.

[3:37:17] Cynthia, if you can please

[3:37:21] unmute Cynthia Knapp.

[3:37:22] Good afternoon Council members.

[3:37:26] My name is Cynthia Knapp.

[3:37:27] I would say San Diego is

[3:37:28] Alcohol Tobacco and other drug

[3:37:31] prevention program.

[3:37:31] I'm here today with the Policy

[3:37:32] Research Center for Tobacco in

[3:37:33] the Environment.

[3:37:36] It's a collaboration between

[3:37:37] say San Diego and San Diego

[3:37:37] State University.

[3:37:38] I would like to comment on a

[3:37:41] smoke free outdoor dining

[3:37:41] policy.

[3:37:42] San Diego proudly and

[3:37:46] rightfully promotes itself as a

[3:37:46] healthy outdoor oriented city.

[3:37:47] This is a city where people

[3:37:51] enjoy active lifestyle and

[3:37:51] vibrant public spaces year

[3:37:52] round outdoor dining is a big

[3:37:55] part of that identity.

[3:37:56] Families and residents and

[3:37:57] visitors gather on restaurant

[3:37:57] patios across our city

[3:38:01] expecting a clean and welcoming

[3:38:01] environment When speaking with

[3:38:02] community members they are

[3:38:05] often surprised to learn that

[3:38:06] there are no policies in

[3:38:07] the city of San Diego making

[3:38:11] all outdoor dining smoke free.

[3:38:11] And this goes beyond

[3:38:12] the well-documented dangers of

[3:38:13] secondhand smoke when patrons

[3:38:16] smoke or vape they leave behind

[3:38:16] toxic residue that can linger

[3:38:17] on tables and other surfaces.

[3:38:20] This residue contains more than

[3:38:24] 25 chemicals listed under

[3:38:24] California's Prop 65 as

[3:38:25] hazardous to human health

[3:38:25] including nicotine and other

[3:38:29] cancer causing chemicals.

[3:38:30] Even after smoking stops,

[3:38:30] patrons can pick up and absorb

[3:38:34] this residue simply by touching

[3:38:34] the tables and surfaces in

[3:38:35] the outdoor dining areas.

[3:38:39] If you've ever taken a baby or

[3:38:40] a toddler to a restaurant, you

[3:38:40] know that everything on those

[3:38:41] tables is primed for going

[3:38:44] right into their mouths When

[3:38:44] the table is layered in toxic

[3:38:45] residue on this innocent reflex

[3:38:48] becomes a serious health

[3:38:48] hazard.

[3:38:49] Neighboring jurisdictions with

[3:38:53] this policy in place include in

[3:38:54] alphabetical order Carlsbad,

[3:38:54] Chula Vista, Coronado, Del Mar,

[3:38:58] Encinitas, Imperial Beach, La

[3:38:59] mesa, National City, Solana

[3:38:59] Beach and the unincorporated

[3:39:03] area.

[3:39:03] Adopting a comprehensive smoke

[3:39:04] free outdoor dining policy

[3:39:05] would reinforce San Diego's

[3:39:08] identity as a city that values

[3:39:09] health and safe public spaces.

[3:39:10] It would also seem to clear and

[3:39:13] consistent message that places

[3:39:13] where people gather to eat

[3:39:14] should be free from unwanted

[3:39:17] secondhand smoke and

[3:39:18] the corresponding residue.

[3:39:19] Thank you for your time and for

[3:39:19] the attention being given to

[3:39:20] this issue.

[3:39:22] We appreciate the opportunity

[3:39:23] to share our working to be a

[3:39:24] resource for the community.

[3:39:25] Thank you Ocean If you can

[3:39:30] please unmute.

[3:39:30] Good afternoon Council members.

[3:39:31] My name is Eric Fletcher.

[3:39:34] I'm a San Diego resident open

[3:39:35] water swimmer conservationist.

[3:39:36] I'm here to voice my strong

[3:39:40] opposition to the pending

[3:39:40] permit for the La Hoya Plus

[3:39:41] odor abatement program.

[3:39:44] Provide evidence of a multiyear

[3:39:45] unpermitted spraying program.

[3:39:46] And request an immediate

[3:39:46] immediate city auditor

[3:39:49] investigation into

[3:39:50] the permitting gap and

[3:39:50] potential misallocation of

[3:39:51] public funds.

[3:39:54] On MAY 1st, 2017 the city

[3:39:54] published its Marine Coastal

[3:39:55] Management Plan for La Hoya

[3:39:59] pledging to comply with state

[3:39:59] and federal coastal

[3:39:59] regulations.

[3:40:00] Yet city internal logs reveal

[3:40:02] they executed 120 spray

[3:40:06] applications between 2017 and

[3:40:07] 2023 with the first spring

[3:40:08] occurring with just three days

[3:40:08] after the publication.

[3:40:11] Further 112 of those runs

[3:40:11] occurred during federally

[3:40:12] protected bird nesting and

[3:40:15] marine mammal popping windows.

[3:40:16] Via email.

[3:40:16] City administration confirmed

[3:40:17] that they failed to obtain a

[3:40:20] coastal development permit a

[3:40:21] waste to charge waiver or

[3:40:21] letter of authorization from

[3:40:24] noa Fisheries for any of these

[3:40:25] phrase bypassing public comment

[3:40:26] and transparency.

[3:40:26] This project is framed as

[3:40:29] environmentally friendly but

[3:40:30] the surfactant use presents a

[3:40:30] severe threat to marine life

[3:40:31] and human health.

[3:40:34] I've learned that sprays MAY be

[3:40:35] damaging our giant kelp.

[3:40:36] These surfactants can dissolve

[3:40:39] the protected mucilage layer

[3:40:39] and prevent microscopic Spore

[3:40:40] Reef attachment.

[3:40:40] I've shared this data with

[3:40:43] scientists at sio and ucsd who

[3:40:44] confirmed that this unknown

[3:40:45] variable was not considered in

[3:40:45] their research.

[3:40:48] They noted the geographic

[3:40:49] correlation matching canopy

[3:40:50] collapse local to localized

[3:40:53] Fallujah's northern beds and

[3:40:53] intend to study this data

[3:40:54] further.

[3:40:54] My public records request show

[3:40:57] despite budget shortfalls

[3:41:01] the city spent $63,946.36 in

[3:41:02] public funds on product alone

[3:41:02] to execute these harmful and

[3:41:06] unpermitted sprays which expose

[3:41:07] the city to significant

[3:41:07] financial liability.

[3:41:08] Now Parks and RECs wants to

[3:41:11] spend more while closing public

[3:41:11] restrooms.

[3:41:12] I respectfully request this

[3:41:12] Council deny pending permit

[3:41:16] application pr dash 1154436

[3:41:16] Order a City Auditor

[3:41:21] investigation into possible

[3:41:21] violation of state and federal

[3:41:22] laws.

[3:41:22] Look into potential

[3:41:23] misallocation of budget funds

[3:41:26] And finally draft a science

[3:41:27] based natural resources

[3:41:27] management plan as required by

[3:41:31] the city's own lcp Lawyers

[3:41:31] Community Plan and the Coastal

[3:41:32] Act.

[3:41:32] I presented and shared this

[3:41:36] data with the Joint Parks and

[3:41:37] beaches and towns concluded My

[3:41:37] apologies Becky.

[3:41:38] >> Wrap if you can please

[3:41:40] unmute.

[3:41:45] >> >> Good evening.

[3:41:46] >> My name is Becky Rapp and

[3:41:47] I'm here tonight to encourage

[3:41:50] the city to prioritize

[3:41:51] transportation safety with more

[3:41:51] urgency when it relates to

[3:41:55] marijuana consumption.

[3:41:55] We need to better ensure that

[3:41:59] everyone who uses our roads and

[3:42:00] transit systems gets home

[3:42:00] safely.

[3:42:04] Federal transportation agencies

[3:42:05] and researchers have agreed

[3:42:05] that this correlation is a

[3:42:09] challenge unlike alcohol.

[3:42:10] There is currently no

[3:42:13] scientifically validated test

[3:42:14] that can accurately measure

[3:42:15] real time marijuana impairment

[3:42:19] and federal research has found

[3:42:19] that thc levels in blood or

[3:42:23] other bodily fluids do not

[3:42:24] accurately correlate with

[3:42:25] the person's level of driving

[3:42:25] impairment.

[3:42:28] Because of this, determining

[3:42:29] impairment really remains

[3:42:30] significantly more difficult

[3:42:33] than measuring alcohol

[3:42:33] impairment.

[3:42:34] >> Transportation Patient

[3:42:37] safety organizations

[3:42:38] representing trucking,

[3:42:39] aviation, rail, public transit

[3:42:42] and other industries have

[3:42:43] expressed concern about this

[3:42:44] issue because their employees

[3:42:48] perform safety sensitive jobs

[3:42:49] where impairment can have

[3:42:49] serious consequences.

[3:42:53] These concerns show us

[3:42:53] the importance of relying on

[3:42:57] sound science and accurate data

[3:42:58] when developing public safety

[3:42:58] policies.

[3:43:02] These same questions are

[3:43:03] relevant here in San Diego.

[3:43:03] Are we collecting sufficient

[3:43:08] information about marijuana to

[3:43:08] relieve that impairment in

[3:43:09] traffic crashes?

[3:43:13] Do we know how often a permit

[3:43:14] is a contributing factor in

[3:43:18] serious or fatal collisions And

[3:43:18] are first responders and law

[3:43:19] enforcement agencies collecting

[3:43:22] consistent data that can help

[3:43:23] inform future policy decisions?

[3:43:23] I encourage the Council to

[3:43:28] request information from cpb

[3:43:29] and fire rescue departments and

[3:43:29] other appropriate agencies

[3:43:33] regarding marijuana impairment

[3:43:34] in traffic incidences.

[3:43:34] That information can help you

[3:43:38] determine whether additional

[3:43:39] education prevention or

[3:43:40] enforcement efforts are

[3:43:43] warranted.

[3:43:44] San Diego has an opportunity to

[3:43:45] lead by making evidence based

[3:43:49] decisions and collecting our

[3:43:50] terminals, concluded Madison.

[3:43:54] >> If you can please unmute.

[3:43:54] >> Hello, my name is Madison

[3:43:59] and I'm here to talk about

[3:43:59] youth substance use prevention.

[3:44:00] When California voters were

[3:44:04] asked to permit recreational

[3:44:05] marijuana they were told it

[3:44:05] would eliminate the illegal

[3:44:06] market.

[3:44:10] Nearly a decade later

[3:44:10] the opposite has happened.

[3:44:14] Just in the last three months,

[3:44:14] Governor Newsom announced that

[3:44:17] law enforcement seized more

[3:44:18] than 63,000 pounds of illegal

[3:44:22] marijuana worth $104 million

[3:44:26] eradicated nearly 90,000

[3:44:27] illegal cannabis plants,

[3:44:27] confiscated firearms and made

[3:44:32] arrests at illegal grove sites.

[3:44:32] Since 2022, California has

[3:44:36] seized and destroyed more than

[3:44:37] 841,000 pounds of illicit

[3:44:41] cannabis valued at over $1.3

[3:44:41] billion.

[3:44:42] These aren't signs of a problem

[3:44:47] that's been solved.

[3:44:47] They're evidence that

[3:44:48] the illegal market continues to

[3:44:51] flourish alongside

[3:44:52] the permitted one.

[3:44:52] Illegal growers also leave

[3:44:53] behind toxic pesticides and

[3:44:57] chemicals that contaminate

[3:44:58] streams and wildlife and

[3:44:58] ultimately put consumers at

[3:44:59] risk.

[3:45:03] These operations often exploit

[3:45:03] workers and are tied to

[3:45:04] organized criminal networks.

[3:45:09] As San Diego considers cannabis

[3:45:09] related policies, I urge you

[3:45:13] not to assume that expanding

[3:45:14] the permitted market will

[3:45:14] eliminate illegal activity.

[3:45:19] California's experience shows

[3:45:20] that the black market can

[3:45:20] persist and even thrive despite

[3:45:24] widespread commercial

[3:45:24] availability.

[3:45:25] Please continue supporting

[3:45:30] strong enforcement against

[3:45:31] illegal operators and

[3:45:31] prioritize policies that

[3:45:32] protect public health.

[3:45:36] Neighborhood safety and our

[3:45:36] environment.

[3:45:37] Over expanding access to high

[3:45:37] potency marijuana.

[3:45:42] Thank you.

[3:45:42] >> Thank you.

[3:45:43] Next is my big If you can

[3:45:48] please unmute.

[3:45:48] All right.

[3:45:49] Thank you.

[3:45:53] Where Beakman local U.S.

[3:45:53] Communities are simply being

[3:45:54] allowed to better question long

[3:45:55] term U.S. International

[3:45:58] relationships and how U.S. Data

[3:45:59] companies like Fox seem to be

[3:46:00] only developing its data within

[3:46:00] the context of supporting

[3:46:04] international policies of war

[3:46:05] and its harm.

[3:46:05] I've been describing for months

[3:46:06] now how the city of Oakland in

[3:46:09] this county Ballymena are

[3:46:10] currently developing an 18

[3:46:11] month process of community

[3:46:15] input to discuss best practices

[3:46:16] in leading park and in working

[3:46:17] towards a new better principled

[3:46:17] pr vendor.

[3:46:20] This is simply a good process

[3:46:21] of community participation

[3:46:22] the San Diego community can

[3:46:22] learn from.

[3:46:27] From this I hope the San Diego

[3:46:27] community can also be

[3:46:28] considering a yearly review

[3:46:28] process and tech redundancy and

[3:46:32] how small surveillance tech

[3:46:33] reductions reductions each year

[3:46:34] can offer a more efficient,

[3:46:34] strategically placed

[3:46:38] neighborhood tech practices.

[3:46:39] Theory This will not take away

[3:46:39] much from current San Diego

[3:46:43] neighborhood public safety and

[3:46:44] we will have ongoing good

[3:46:44] efforts towards responsibility,

[3:46:45] clarity, oversight and

[3:46:49] consistency with accountability

[3:46:49] policies.

[3:46:50] From all of this I strongly

[3:46:55] feel San Diego City Council and

[3:46:56] city government will simply

[3:46:57] have to make more clear and to

[3:46:58] more openly relate to the San

[3:47:01] Diego community at this time

[3:47:01] and help better conversations

[3:47:02] and ideas are developing within

[3:47:03] the current spoken and unspoken

[3:47:06] procedures and guidelines of

[3:47:07] fda approved in real time in

[3:47:08] our current San Diego

[3:47:12] neighborhoods.

[3:47:13] Perhaps this could become a

[3:47:14] helpful good public meeting

[3:47:17] conversation during the 2026

[3:47:17] fall election time and about

[3:47:18] current San Diego Tech

[3:47:23] Accountability Neighborhood

[3:47:24] public safety concerns and its

[3:47:25] ways of neighborhood community

[3:47:25] hearing ideas.

[3:47:28] All sides in the 2027.

[3:47:29] These ideas are meant to be

[3:47:33] open statement of good logic

[3:47:34] and to help add to the current

[3:47:35] ongoing San Diego conversation

[3:47:35] on these subjects.

[3:47:41] I hope people like Joi and

[3:47:42] Councilperson LaCava can take

[3:47:46] these words to heart and I hope

[3:47:47] we can be building trust.

[3:47:47] >> These ideas have been

[3:47:48] towards trust and can really

[3:47:49] take these ideas to heart.

[3:47:51] Thank you.

[3:47:52] >> Thank you Judy Strong if you

[3:47:56] can please on the Good evening

[3:47:57] San Diego City Council.

[3:48:02] As most of you know, the u-t

[3:48:02] has been publishing letters to

[3:48:03] the editor regarding

[3:48:08] the closure of the 13 bathrooms

[3:48:08] in Mission Bay Area.

[3:48:12] And as I was reading the one

[3:48:12] today about the fellow who had

[3:48:13] colitis, I was sort of overcome

[3:48:18] by my own personal experience

[3:48:19] with a child who also has

[3:48:24] colitis and the trauma that has

[3:48:25] been her life since she was six

[3:48:26] and how much it has a limited

[3:48:30] how she can navigate her world.

[3:48:31] She's now a college student and

[3:48:31] has had much medical

[3:48:35] interventions since then

[3:48:36] including an operation that

[3:48:37] created a stoma for her.

[3:48:41] But just and that's had its own

[3:48:42] ramifications as you can

[3:48:42] imagine towards finding a

[3:48:43] bathroom.

[3:48:48] So I'm wondering for a city who

[3:48:49] has always cared about clean

[3:48:54] air, clean water, public health

[3:48:55] and safety, what the heck are

[3:48:55] we thinking?

[3:48:56] We can't have something in our

[3:49:00] we can't lack public bathrooms

[3:49:01] in our public spaces.

[3:49:01] We just can't It doesn't make

[3:49:02] any sense at all.

[3:49:06] It harms the reputation of

[3:49:07] the city of San Diego.

[3:49:07] It undermines our goals.

[3:49:08] It goes against the rhetoric we

[3:49:12] say every day And my

[3:49:13] granddaughter isn't alone in

[3:49:18] this situation by any stretch

[3:49:19] of the imagination.

[3:49:20] We need to rethink it and we

[3:49:20] need to rethink it now.

[3:49:21] Thank you.

[3:49:22] Thank you.

[3:49:29] >> Christine Wellborn.

[3:49:30] Christine Wilburn.

[3:49:36] I can't unring the bell.

[3:49:36] I'm sorry.

[3:49:37] Christine one district one.

[3:49:37] I'm calling about

[3:49:39] the disgraceful, disgusting and

[3:49:40] unacceptable bathroom closures.

[3:49:41] It's my understanding that no

[3:49:46] staff positions were eliminated

[3:49:47] eliminated for this.

[3:49:51] So for $550,000, why don't we

[3:49:57] have some sort of drive to so

[3:49:58] residents can donate cleaning

[3:49:58] supplies and toilet paper if

[3:50:03] that's an issue because it's

[3:50:04] not a staff issue and residents

[3:50:05] would be much more willing to

[3:50:10] donate actual products and

[3:50:10] things.

[3:50:11] Then vote for more taxes

[3:50:15] because we see that our money

[3:50:16] is not being spent wisely.

[3:50:17] So that's my suggestion is

[3:50:21] doing that.

[3:50:22] >> Also I'm not sure if you're

[3:50:26] aware but the new trash trucks

[3:50:27] require three feet clearance in

[3:50:27] order to pick them up.

[3:50:32] They cannot get in more narrow

[3:50:32] area.

[3:50:33] I don't have that problem

[3:50:33] personally but I've heard that

[3:50:34] people have not had their trash

[3:50:38] picked up for multiple weeks

[3:50:39] because of the new trucks and

[3:50:39] they're in areas where parking

[3:50:44] is not easy to come by.

[3:50:45] So I'm not sure what

[3:50:46] the solution is for that.

[3:50:49] But when you're greenlighting

[3:50:50] all these issues and apartment

[3:50:51] complexes and everything else

[3:50:56] and not requiring ample parking

[3:50:57] where people are supposed to

[3:50:58] put their trash cans if they're

[3:50:58] not going to get picked up and

[3:51:02] left there three feet apart,

[3:51:03] then that's impossible to do

[3:51:03] because there's no space.

[3:51:08] So anyway and also PRESIDENT

[3:51:08] Lacob and council person

[3:51:14] Whitburn, I appreciate you to

[3:51:15] paying attention when people

[3:51:16] speak in public at this not and

[3:51:16] public comment.

[3:51:21] The rest of you I don't know

[3:51:21] what games you're playing on

[3:51:22] your phone but I'd really like

[3:51:23] to find out Seems like they're

[3:51:23] very entertaining.

[3:51:25] Thank you.

[3:51:26] >> You'll have a good night.

[3:51:27] Bye.

[3:51:27] Our final speaker is Jeanette

[3:51:28] Sanchez.

[3:51:34] Jeanette Sanchez also career

[3:51:34] readiness minority assistant

[3:51:38] General Election Process Caucus

[3:51:45] proposer The a lot of those

[3:51:46] ministers don't like what

[3:51:49] the minister's proposal came.

[3:51:50] They always emphasize quarters.

[3:51:55] But our well-established

[3:51:55] consequence on you.

[3:52:01] Good evening or good afternoon

[3:52:02] is how do you City council.

[3:52:02] Sanchez.

[3:52:07] My name is Jack Butland.

[3:52:08] Notice that sometimes you must

[3:52:08] be nice.

[3:52:11] My name is in Essentials and I

[3:52:12] live in City Heights.

[3:52:18] >> I think I am here as a

[3:52:19] conservative parent because I'm

[3:52:24] concerned about secondhand

[3:52:24] smoke.

[3:52:25] As a mother in communities in

[3:52:25] my community.

[3:52:29] Thank you for asthma.

[3:52:30] >> I have three children that

[3:52:35] have asthma.

[3:52:36] >> In other words, when they

[3:52:36] were diagnosed the doctors gave

[3:52:41] them inhalers because of

[3:52:47] the economic oxygen in

[3:52:48] the cooperative and gave us

[3:52:49] different advice about how to

[3:52:49] protect them.

[3:52:52] They don't know my voice but

[3:52:58] that was all they gave me my

[3:52:59] sympathy.

[3:52:59] They didn't give me any advice

[3:53:00] about what to do when people

[3:53:04] are smoking near them.

[3:53:05] And we focused on the important

[3:53:09] things like can public schools

[3:53:09] .

[3:53:10] It is very frustrating and I

[3:53:11] feel like I am not able to take

[3:53:11] care of my children.

[3:53:18] What cannot the in public

[3:53:19] because we don't have any

[3:53:22] comprehensive lays about I'm

[3:53:22] sorry.

[3:53:23] We do not have any

[3:53:23] comprehensive laws about

[3:53:28] smoking in public.

[3:53:29] We will only be living in

[3:53:34] multifamily dwellings.

[3:53:35] Thank you for being supportive

[3:53:35] of it.

[3:53:39] It's not it's probably all

[3:53:40] the smoke that actually goes

[3:53:40] through all the different multi

[3:53:46] dwelling units is very much a

[3:53:47] problem.

[3:53:47] But I'm familiar with a lot of

[3:53:51] young people and for many

[3:53:51] families multi family dwellings

[3:53:57] is the only option for housing

[3:53:57] density economics.

[3:53:58] But it is very difficult to

[3:54:02] find multifamily dwellings or

[3:54:02] any dwelling that is actually

[3:54:12] cost efficient.

[3:54:13] You get elements that are cost

[3:54:14] efficient and that are free of

[3:54:24] smoke in others and the smoke

[3:54:25] from other units comes into our

[3:54:25] house through the windows.

[3:54:31] People either see it through

[3:54:32] the walls and through the air

[3:54:37] ducting in the units or get

[3:54:38] sent to people in

[3:54:39] the development of events like

[3:54:43] Facebook.

[3:54:44] A lot of people would just say

[3:54:44] just open your windows so that

[3:54:45] you can let in fresh air.

[3:54:48] But what's the problem?

[3:54:49] But that doesn't resolve

[3:54:55] the problem in multiple ways.

[3:54:55] And once the smoke stays within

[3:54:56] our apartments, within our

[3:54:57] furniture and within our

[3:55:04] clothing and us and that is

[3:55:04] the air that our family is

[3:55:05] breathing every day.

[3:55:10] Let's hope it doesn't become

[3:55:11] the norm.

[3:55:11] >> Our children are constantly

[3:55:12] complaining about how strong

[3:55:19] the smoke smell is.

[3:55:20] And a lot of times they cough a

[3:55:21] lot just because of

[3:55:21] the constant smell.

[3:55:26] We're going to be in a

[3:55:26] position.

[3:55:27] No family should have to live

[3:55:28] under these conditions.

[3:55:30] That is extremely common for

[3:55:35] middle.

[3:55:36] >> We are asking that the law

[3:55:37] and that you will put us and

[3:55:37] our children first.

[3:55:41] What is in front of the big

[3:55:47] corporate smoking companies

[3:55:53] cigaret companies and the media

[3:55:53] ?

[3:55:54] San Diego presents itself as a

[3:55:54] clean family friendly city.

[3:56:01] Political support for people is

[3:56:06] legitimate but the politics and

[3:56:07] the policies of the city do not

[3:56:07] reflect that.

[3:56:08] Thank you for our call.

[3:56:09] Thank you for allowing me to

[3:56:09] speak then Council PRESIDENT

[3:56:12] That does conclude on a general

[3:56:12] public comment.

[3:56:13] All right.

[3:56:13] Thank you, City Clerk.

[3:56:14] Does the city attorney have

[3:56:14] anything to report out from

[3:56:17] closed session?

[3:56:17] >> Yes.

[3:56:18] Thank you.

[3:56:18] Council PRESIDENT.

[3:56:19] Today in a special closed

[3:56:23] session meeting the city

[3:56:24] council voted on special closed

[3:56:24] session item number four to

[3:56:29] initiate litigation Once

[3:56:30] litigation is formally

[3:56:30] commenced, the action

[3:56:31] the defendants and other

[3:56:35] particulars will be disclosed

[3:56:36] to any person upon inquiry

[3:56:37] unless to do so would

[3:56:37] jeopardize effective service of

[3:56:41] process or settlement

[3:56:42] negotiations.

[3:56:42] The motion passed unanimously 9

[3:56:43] to 0.

[3:56:43] That concludes my comments.

[3:56:49] All right.

[3:56:49] Thank you.

[3:56:50] We will now adjourn as the city

[3:56:51] council to convene as a housing

[3:56:51] authority.

[3:56:53] Does the city attorney have

[3:56:54] anything to report out from

[3:56:54] Housing Authority closed

[3:56:55] session.

[3:56:55] >> Yes.

[3:56:56] Thank you.

[3:56:56] Council PRESIDENT.

[3:56:59] Today in a special housing

[3:57:00] authority closed session

[3:57:01] meeting, the housing authority

[3:57:01] voted on special housing

[3:57:05] authority closed session item

[3:57:06] number one to initiate

[3:57:06] litigation Once litigation is

[3:57:11] formally commenced, the action

[3:57:12] the defendants and other

[3:57:13] particulars will be disclosed

[3:57:13] to any person upon inquiry

[3:57:17] unless to do so would

[3:57:18] jeopardize effective service of

[3:57:19] process or settlement

[3:57:19] negotiations.

[3:57:25] The motion passed unanimously 9

[3:57:25] to 0.

[3:57:26] >> That concludes my comments.

[3:57:26] All right.

[3:57:27] Thank you.

[3:57:27] We will now adjourn this

[3:57:28] housing for you.

[3:57:29] Reconvene the city council.

[3:57:30] We have one adjournment in

[3:57:35] memory which I will be sending

[3:57:36] the last a great journalist and

[3:57:37] a great human being This month

[3:57:42] with the passing of Kelly

[3:57:42] Davis.

[3:57:43] We honor Kelly with this

[3:57:43] adjournment of memory which has

[3:57:47] taken a lot from Jeff McDonald

[3:57:48] peace to do her justice.

[3:57:49] Kelly was dedicated to

[3:57:53] journalism a passion that

[3:57:53] persisted over decades and drew

[3:57:54] both the ire and the respect of

[3:57:59] elected officials across

[3:57:59] the region and the state.

[3:58:00] Her work appeared in

[3:58:00] the Union-Tribune the voice of

[3:58:05] San Diego and the now shuttered

[3:58:06] San Diego City Beat which she

[3:58:06] co-founded and edited.

[3:58:11] Kelly was named Journalist of

[3:58:12] the Year by the San Diego

[3:58:12] chapter of the Society of

[3:58:15] Professional Journalists in

[3:58:16] 2023 recognizing her watchdog

[3:58:17] reporting on the high mortality

[3:58:22] rates in the county sheriff

[3:58:23] jails.

[3:58:23] Perhaps more telling as to

[3:58:24] the importance of her work.

[3:58:28] More than a dozen family

[3:58:28] members of people who had died

[3:58:29] in custody attended that awards

[3:58:34] ceremony celebrated her work.

[3:58:35] They thanked her tearfully,

[3:58:36] explained how her articles had

[3:58:40] given them a voice and brought

[3:58:40] light to their suffering when

[3:58:41] they thought no one cared.

[3:58:46] Kelly's report spurred state

[3:58:46] audits and prompted Governor

[3:58:47] Gavin Newsom to sign a pair of

[3:58:48] reform bills.

[3:58:52] Kelly was known for her policy

[3:58:53] chops and a deep understanding

[3:58:53] of complicated subjects gleaned

[3:58:58] from her arcane research.

[3:58:58] She studied government policy

[3:58:59] manuals and took classes to

[3:59:04] broaden her knowledge so she

[3:59:05] could write with authority her

[3:59:05] strongest assets.

[3:59:10] There were so many but her

[3:59:11] instincts, her judgment of what

[3:59:11] the public needed to know.

[3:59:16] Her interviewing techniques and

[3:59:16] her shoe leather reporting.

[3:59:17] Kelly loved cats and left three

[3:59:22] at her Fletcher Homes Fletcher

[3:59:23] Hill's home.

[3:59:23] She was known for her

[3:59:24] thoughtful gift giving often

[3:59:28] finding just the right gift for

[3:59:29] friends and family.

[3:59:30] She was famous for the Harvey

[3:59:34] Wall being her kick.

[3:59:34] She made for friends every

[3:59:35] Christmas.

[3:59:35] She played rhythm guitar and

[3:59:39] sang backing vocals for an

[3:59:40] indie band called Super 31

[3:59:44] through much of the 90s

[3:59:44] recording multiple extended

[3:59:49] play records in its heyday

[3:59:49] Super 31 with a staple of

[3:59:50] the underground scene and

[3:59:51] shared stages with bands like

[3:59:56] Radiohead and Belly.

[3:59:56] She earned a bachelor's degree

[4:00:01] in literature from Chapman

[4:00:02] University and later a master's

[4:00:02] degree from Boston College.

[4:00:07] Kelly Lynn Davis was born on St

[4:00:08] Patrick's Day in 1973 and

[4:00:12] raised in Irvine.

[4:00:13] She is survived by her husband

[4:00:14] Brian Espinosa.

[4:00:14] Her father j.

[4:00:18] Emerson Davis.

[4:00:19] And numerous aunts, uncles and

[4:00:19] cousins.

[4:00:25] Kelly courageously beat back

[4:00:25] cancer for nearly a dozen years

[4:00:26] while producing policy changing

[4:00:27] dispatches.

[4:00:31] A tumor reappeared this spring

[4:00:32] taking her life.

[4:00:32] Kelly Davis.

[4:00:37] Rest in peace.

[4:00:38] If we could take a moment to

[4:00:41] honor Kelly and her passing and

[4:00:59] the work she did thank you for

[4:01:00] that moment And now we'll close

[4:01:04] We will now adjourn Council to

[4:01:05] the regularly scheduled council

[4:01:08] meeting on Tuesday, JULY 14th,

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