[0:00] Now, I don't know that gentleman, but he gave us [laughter] the thumbs up, so

[0:03] okay. All right.

[0:05] We'll call the meeting to order.

[0:10] » All right, roll call. Uh Chairperson Gambling.

[0:13] » Present. >> Ms. Johnson.

[0:14] » Here. >> Ms. [clears throat] Warner.

[0:16] » Here. >> Ms. Shira.

[0:17] » Here. >> Um Ms. Bouncing.

[0:19] » Here. >> And Ms. Mizuta.

[0:21] » Here. >> Roll call has been called.

[0:23] » Okay. The swearing in.

[0:26] » Yep, swearing in of witnesses. Uh because this is an adjudicatory hearing

[0:30] that is based on facts and not on public opinion. Therefore, everyone that is

[0:34] going to be testifying today will need to be sworn in. All witnesses

[0:38] who plan on testifying must raise your right hand.

[0:43] Uh do you swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth?

[0:46] » I do. >> Yes.

[0:48] » All right, all witnesses are sworn in. >> Okay.

[0:53] Before we get started, we have the approval of March 31st, 2026 the meeting

[0:58] minutes. So, did everybody read the minutes? Is there any corrections or

[1:03] anything that needs to be deleted or added?

[1:06] I'll make a motion that we approve the March 31st meeting minutes. Second.

[1:12] » And we done. >> There we go.

[1:14] » Okay.

[1:17] So, it's been moved and second. All in favor signify by saying I. I. I. No

[1:22] opposed. Okay. Um now, the housing I got a message that

[1:28] we're not going to cover that today. >> There is no update.

[1:31] » No update. Okay. All right, so we will move on to old business. As we stated in

[1:36] the agenda, there is none. So, we will start with new business.

[1:41] » Yes, so new business tonight is case number 26-0080.

[1:46] Sharice Clinton for Tavaris Jamal LLC is appealing the notice of order of

[1:51] violation for a person living in a trailer parked in the backyard behind

[1:56] 819 Perry Street Sandusky, Ohio 44870 parcel number 57 - 02349.000

[2:13] » [clears throat]

[2:17] » I'm code compliance manager Craig Ward. I will be doing the presentation

[2:20] tonight. So up on our slideshow tonight 819 Perry Street. This started with a

[2:26] complaint that we received on March 27th of 2026. The original complaint came

[2:31] into office of code compliance about a junk trailer parked on an

[2:35] unapproved surface behind 819 Perry Street on April 14th,

[2:41] 2026. The following pictures were taken from a neighboring property.

[2:45] This was adjacent to the property. The pictures you're looking at here. I

[2:48] believe we're looking at an East Northeast direction.

[2:52] Here's a couple other pictures just showing an easterly direction of the

[2:55] trailer that's parked in the backyard. For perspective, I just included this

[3:00] aerial drawing from um the Erie County Auditor's site showing

[3:03] 819 Perry and the orange arrow indicates where the trailer is located toward the

[3:08] rear of the property. This I think from the Auditor's site was from April of

[3:12] 2026. Um on April 20th, 2026 an inspection was

[3:18] performed. During this inspection John Ferris from

[3:22] the office of code compliance was there. City building official Scott Tom,

[3:27] property owner Sharice Clinton and myself.

[3:30] Just I included my inspection notes from the day of the inspection just saying

[3:34] that all of us met in the backyard of the property to view the camping unit.

[3:38] The owner stated she lives in the camper which is situated in the north-south

[3:41] direction along the rear property line. Owner stated that the original idea was

[3:46] to take the unit and basically move it on and off the property like a normal

[3:48] camper. Um like you'd do for camping.

[3:52] Uh, no permanent water sewer connections were observed. The owner stated that the

[3:56] unit is winterized during the cold months, um, and just recently filled the

[4:01] fresh water tank. She stated that she can use the house and the local gym for

[4:05] showering. The owner was informed that campers, uh, may be stored on properties

[4:09] if on an approved surface or improved surface.

[4:13] Um, but the owner cannot occupy and live in the camping unit. The owner expressed

[4:18] no interest in abating the new the issue, uh,

[4:21] as she stated at that time. The owner was informed that a violation

[4:25] notice, uh, would be issued. Uh, Scott Thom did also address some things, uh,

[4:30] concerning the deck in the back being in violation.

[4:33] So, the same day, April 20th of 2026, a notice of violation was issued and sent

[4:38] certified mail and certificate of mailing to the owner,

[4:41] um, with a compliance and reinspection date of May 1st, 2026.

[4:46] The violation that was documented is, uh, Sandusky City Ordinance 1341.10.

[4:51] Um, and I'm not going to read the whole thing to you, but I know it's in your

[4:54] packet, it's up on the board. But, basically it's just saying that

[4:57] basically you cannot occupy any dwelling that's not in compliance.

[5:01] By definition, a camping unit is not even a dwelling. It's classified as a

[5:06] temporary housing structure, and that's why [snorts] I included these

[5:09] definitions in the presentation. Um,

[5:13] uh, when we before a reinspection could even be performed on May 1st, 2026, the

[5:18] property owner filed an appeal to Housing Appeals Board on April 29th,

[5:22] 2026, which has kind of brought us here tonight. And that's all I really have

[5:26] for my presentation. If anybody has any questions for me,

[5:35] And that this would be your opportunity if you'd like to come up and address,

[5:38] um, the Housing Appeals Board.

[5:41] » Okay. Where do I go? >> Uh, right up here to the podium.

[5:43] » Okay.

[5:47] » [clears throat] >> Hi, Andrew. Hi, how are you? So, we're

[5:50] going to ask you to state your name and address for the record.

[5:53] » Sherice Clinton, 819 Perry Street. >> Okay.

[5:56] » Okay. So, as he said, when I originally got this trailer, it was not meant to

[6:02] stay back there. That wasn't the purpose of it. But, because of, you know, um my

[6:07] neighbor passing away, things changed. Um

[6:13] so, it was stuck back there. So, I said, "Well,

[6:17] it's back there." I mean, what could I do about it? I didn't worry

[6:20] about it. It was already back there. So, I said I might as well stay in it. You

[6:25] know what I mean? But, I travel around so much. When John originally called me,

[6:31] told me about the complaint, I've known him a very long time. He know what I do.

[6:37] He know that I travel around a lot. I even explained that to Craig when he

[6:41] came over there, cuz they were saying that this was a temporary housing.

[6:45] This whole year, it's June now, I probably stayed in there a month, maybe.

[6:51] Cuz I'm just I travel around. But, I guess, um

[6:56] for me, it kind of makes me feel like I'm being targeted or discriminated

[7:01] against, honestly, because I don't bother

[7:05] anybody, and I own that piece of property. Um so, I don't understand why

[7:11] my trailer can't sit back [cough] there. It's on blocks. It's it's in compliance

[7:16] because it's on blocks. I don't understand what

[7:21] the issue is. You know? I just I don't I don't understand the issue.

[7:26] » So, question. So, do you own the trailer or who is this to What's his name?

[7:30] Tavaris? >> Tavaris Jamel.

[7:33] » Okay, so who is that? >> That's my business.

[7:35] » That's your business. >> Mhm.

[7:36] » Okay, so not getting personal, but what type of

[7:41] business is it? >> Um well, I had a beauty supply store and

[7:45] I'm a stylist. Um it's just my business name and I put

[7:50] the trailer in my home [clears throat] in my business name.

[7:53] » All right. >> May I ask a question?

[7:55] » Yeah. >> How did it get back there if you can't

[7:57] get it out? >> Well, I got it delivered. So, what

[8:00] happened was like in the front of my house, you really can't tell it's this

[8:04] big old long fence. So, probably about midway through, a piece of it got stuck

[8:10] on the fence because up at the top it got like those little hook things, but

[8:14] it got stuck. So, the neighbors let me remove like a little piece of their

[8:19] fence to so it'll finish going in there and then he told me when I got ready to

[8:24] move it out, he would let me do the same thing. But then he since passed away,

[8:28] you know? So, it was it's just stuck.

[8:33] » Ma'am, can you speak into the microphone? Bend that to you.

[8:36] » Okay, microphone. >> [cough]

[8:39] [clears throat] >> So, we can hear you. Thank you.

[8:41] » Okay. >> So, do you live in the trailer?

[8:44] » Um when I'm here, yes, I do. >> But you own the property, so there's a

[8:48] house on it, correct? >> It is.

[8:50] » So, you don't live in the house? >> No, it's occupied by five women.

[8:55] » I mean, are you renting it to them? >> I'm not.

[9:05] » I >> Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

[9:07] » You You mentioned that the previous owner passed away the owner of the

[9:10] fence. Have you contacted the new owners >> Well, it's still

[9:15] » about the dilemma you're facing here? >> It's still the same people. It's just

[9:20] the husband passed away and then the son is in control of everything now and he's

[9:27] just like, "No, it's not going down." >> [clears throat]

[9:31] » So, I don't I don't know.

[9:37] » Well, per the statutes, you can't live in that.

[9:42] And that's why we're here today primarily. I mean, even though you are

[9:47] um on rocks and based on what, you know,

[9:52] the city is saying, um

[9:55] it may be fit at this point because it is on the

[9:59] rocks, but the other part of that is it can't be considered a standard dwelling

[10:05] because you have no electricity. >> I have electricity.

[10:08] » So, how do you have the electricity running?

[10:10] » I had electric ran from the house.

[10:15] » Now, that's I'm not going to say it's illegal. I'm

[10:20] going to say that that can be a fire hazard. So, that's something that needs

[10:25] to be considered in this. Do you have running water? Now, the understanding I

[10:29] have based on this is saying that you um shower

[10:35] All right, see, you go to the gym and shower.

[10:37] » Mhm. Or to my mom's. My mom is the one that live in the house in front. I want

[10:42] to be close to my mom, but now I can't stay with my mom. I'm 49 years old, but

[10:47] that means she's 20-something years older than me. So, I want to be close to

[10:50] her without being there. You know, women have all different types of

[10:55] attitudes and it's like a five women in that house. I need my own space.

[11:00] So, when I'm around, I go in the trailer.

[11:04] » [clears throat]

[11:07] » Go ahead. >> I have a few questions.

[11:11] How many times a month do you live in that trailer?

[11:14] » Um this month I've stayed in there around eight days.

[11:18] » Eight days? Eight straight days or different days?

[11:22] » No, chopped up. I did a few weeks in Miami, and I just got back from Africa.

[11:27] So, when I come back, I'll stay, and then I leave again.

[11:33] » Okay. Um you say you you're under an LLC. What kind of business is that?

[11:39] » Uh it was a beauty supply store. >> Beauty supply store? Okay.

[11:44] » [clears throat] >> Where's your store at?

[11:47] » Um I actually just sold it in March. >> Was it in Sandusky?

[11:51] » Mhm. >> Where at?

[11:53] » It was sorry. It was on Washington Street right down the right

[11:57] down the street next to Circle K. >> Okay. And you say there's five women

[12:04] living in your 819 Perry rental. You rent that out to five women?

[12:09] » No, I don't rent it out. I just let my mom stay there.

[12:13] It's basically her house. >> Oh, it's your mom's house. Okay.

[12:19] Um Okay, just a second here.

[12:23] Um so your mom lives there with four other women.

[12:26] » Yes. >> And you have to live in the trailer when

[12:30] you come up? >> I just need my own space. When I come

[12:34] around, I go sleep in the trailer. >> Does she not have room at in at the 819

[12:41] Perry Street for you? >> No, and I don't want to stay there.

[12:45] » You don't. Okay, so I'm confused. Where is your Where are you living? What

[12:50] Where's your residence at? You here in Sandusky or someplace else?

[12:54] » Well, I really don't have a residence.

[12:59] I don't have a permanent place. >> Well, technically you have a residence

[13:03] because remember in the beginning I asked you you have to state your name

[13:06] and your address. So under what they consider the mail law, if you're

[13:11] receiving mail at a particular residence, that is considered your home.

[13:17] So technically you do have a residence,

[13:21] which is the Perry Street address. >> Right.

[13:23] » Now the things that you are allowed to do at your home, as long as you're not

[13:28] in violation, there's nothing that we can do. But there is a violation here.

[13:32] So, that's what we're going to have to work out today on what is going to be

[13:37] the best solution at this point.

[13:39] » Okay. >> You You can't live in there.

[13:43] » Okay, I still have some more questions. Questions.

[13:46] » Okay. [clears throat] >> Okay.

[13:48] Um how long has the trailer been on the back lot?

[13:51] » Since 2024. >> 2024, okay. Is there an alleyway back

[13:57] there? >> No.

[13:58] » No? Okay. So, in order to get that trailer

[14:03] out of there, you have to ask the neighbor to take down his fence.

[14:07] » Correct. >> Okay.

[14:09] Do you think he would be agreeable to that?

[14:12] » Well, I've already tried. That's I've already tried.

[14:16] » And he says no? >> He says no.

[14:19] » Okay. >> be back there, to be honest with you.

[14:22] » Okay, so what kind of shape is your trailer in?

[14:25] » It's a brand new trailer. It's a 2025, and I purchased it in 2024.

[14:32] » Okay. Um

[14:36] » [snorts] [sighs and gasps]

[14:38] » There's There's a question here about 404 Reese.

[14:42] » Mhm. >> Uh where does that come in at?

[14:46] » Well, that was my mother's home, and it's since been sold.

[14:50] » Okay, she sold that, and she's now living at Perry.

[14:53] » Correct. >> Okay.

[14:56] All right. Okay, I guess that's all I have.

[15:01] » Hold up. Um Mindy, what? >> Has the trailer ever been moved out of

[15:05] the backyard? >> No.

[15:07] » So, you put it in in 2024, and you said your intent was to take it

[15:11] places. When did the person next door pass?

[15:14] » He passed away last year. He passed away in 2025.

[15:17] » So, why was it never moved? You said you got

[15:21] it cuz you wanted to take it places and >> [clears throat]

[15:24] » places, but you've never in the time where you still had the permission to

[15:28] move the fence, you never moved it. You never

[15:32] [clears throat] took it. >> Mhm. Because I still had my store. So, I

[15:36] tried to remove it once I sold my store. That's when I found out that it wasn't

[15:40] happening. >> So, it just so happens when you sold the

[15:43] stores when all this came to fruition that someone said there was a trailer in

[15:47] your backyard. >> That's what I'm saying. Ain't that

[15:50] weird? Now, I sold the store in March. And then when it started getting when

[15:56] the weather started changing, that's when I wanted to take it out. And that's

[16:00] when I was told I wasn't able to take it out.

[16:03] And then they get a complaint, which I don't understand.

[16:06] » So, it sounds like I mean, since you bought it in 2024 and it never went out,

[16:11] you bought that to live I mean, to have in the backyard.

[16:15] » Well, no because >> took it out.

[16:17] » Well, no because when I purchased it, I was at the 404 Reese house rehabbing it.

[16:25] » So, it was still in the backyard though. >> It It was still in the backyard, but I

[16:29] was at 404 Reese Street and my mother was at 819 Perry Street. I only went

[16:34] there once the 404 Reese Street house sold.

[16:38] » When was that? >> About 5 6 months ago.

[16:44] It was around October, November maybe

[16:48] of last year. >> So, like 8 months?

[16:51] » Somewhere up in there, yeah. >> So, you were living on Reese Street, mom

[16:56] was on Perry Street, trailer's never been moved.

[16:59] » No. >> Okay.

[17:01] » And the only reason cuz it was it was sideways. Like soon as you pull it in,

[17:05] so it's facing like this. So, it was facing to be able to just pull back out.

[17:10] When the neighbors told me I wasn't able to move it, I moved it to the back of

[17:15] the yard because it wasn't originally there.

[17:19] » Do you have a vehicle big enough to tow the trailer?

[17:22] » I don't. >> So, how were you ever going to get the

[17:24] trailer out? >> Well, because I was supposed to buy a

[17:27] truck, but I just bought a Lincoln and I bought it maybe four or five months ago

[17:33] and I only bought it because they told me I couldn't move the fence to pull the

[17:37] trailer. So, I felt like this is it. What am I get a truck for?

[17:42] That's why I bought a car, but I was buying a truck to pull it.

[17:47] » Lisa, you got a question, huh? Go ahead. >> Um

[17:52] my question is more along the lines of our code. Do we have any part of the

[17:58] code that would make it an accessory dwelling? What

[18:01] would she have to do to be in compliance to have that trailer there? Do we have

[18:07] anything in code that allows that? >> I think I'd defer to Adam probably on

[18:11] the accessory structure. >> Hi, I'm Adam. I'm assistant city

[18:14] planner. Craig asked me to be here for some support. Um yes, I can answer the

[18:18] question. It's no. The short answer is no. We don't currently have any

[18:22] provisions in our planning and zoning code

[18:25] or any other [clears throat] code that I'm aware of that would permit an

[18:29] accessory dwelling unit or if I might add um

[18:35] or I guess I'll answer that question for now, but I

[18:37] can take any other related ones. >> Um I just had like a follow-up, but it's

[18:41] not it's What can she do to remove it based upon

[18:46] What are the Does she have If there's a If she needs to remove her property,

[18:52] what can be done because it has to traverse over somebody else's property?

[18:56] Is there anything that can be done to remove it?

[19:01] » Um as far as I'm aware, I mean >> Legally, does she have any right to

[19:05] remove that from her? >> I mean, it got there one one way.

[19:11] » Right. >> So, in my opinion, there's there is a

[19:13] viable route. It's just what route will the city allow

[19:17] » Yeah. >> the appellant to take.

[19:19] » Does she have to go to court to try to remove it? Does she have to get an

[19:22] order? >> I'm not exactly certain. The law

[19:25] director can feel free to step in, but I I've seen things like temporary work

[19:31] easements. It's like the most formalized way you can do it, but

[19:35] I I would expect neighbors to behave that as neighbors and you know, allow

[19:41] » She's got a brand new trailer. I see why she wants to use it.

[19:43] » Alternatively, the the appellant could rent a crane. That would be the most you

[19:47] know, you know, severe option, but I think it would exist since you're asking

[19:52] the question. >> All right.

[19:58] I have another question if everybody's done.

[20:00] » I'll go ahead. >> Um you said that

[20:03] is this classified as a trailer home or an RV?

[20:08] » It's a trailer. It's a one-bedroom trailer.

[20:11] » One of those trailers that you would put in a home trailer park?

[20:14] » Um no, it's one of the pool travel trailers.

[20:19] It would attach to the back of like your car.

[20:21] » Yeah. Truck. >> Oh, okay.

[20:23] » Type of trailer. >> Okay. That you haul around.

[20:25] » Go camping. >> How many How many feet is long is that

[20:29] trailer? >> 27.

[20:30] » 27-ft? Okay. Um you said that you travel around on

[20:35] business a lot and when you come into town eight days out of the month, you

[20:40] you live in the trailer. Where do you live when you're traveling around?

[20:45] » Hotels, Airbnbs, hostels. >> You live at in Airbnbs?

[20:54] Okay. And And where where else do you do you

[20:58] go to hotels or what? >> Uh yeah.

[21:02] » Okay. >> When I'm traveling, yeah, cuz I fly.

[21:06] » You fly? >> Mhm.

[21:08] » Okay. Okay.

[21:12] That's all I have. >> If I may?

[21:15] » Go ahead. >> You mentioned that the trailer was

[21:18] repositioned from where you originally had it located. I guess

[21:22] uh parallel to the fence and then it relocated perpendicular.

[21:25] » Mhm. >> How was it moved?

[21:27] » One of those dingos. >> I'm sorry, but I don't know what a dingo

[21:30] is. >> One of those

[21:32] little small dingos that you get on it it had the the hitch and it hitched to

[21:37] the top of it and then it just move it. >> So it's motorized type of thing?

[21:42] » Yeah. Hitch it to a truck. >> Okay.

[21:44] » What's the complaint? >> Okay.

[21:46] I I If I may, I have one other question. >> Mhm.

[21:48] » How How did you ask the neighbor? Was it verbally? Was it written? How How did

[21:53] you make contact with neighbor to ask him about to take the fence down

[21:56] temporarily so you could >> Well, I talked to them all the time, you

[22:00] know, like I've known their family my whole life, you know. This is why the

[22:06] husband allowed me to do it. So things didn't change until he passed away and

[22:10] the son got involved. So I don't know um the son just

[22:18] uh he just won't allow it to happen.

[22:24] I don't know. >> If If it did happen, whose cost would

[22:27] that be? On on you or would it be on him or

[22:30] » No, it would be on me. Uh when I remove like the little piece putting it in

[22:35] there, I fixed it right back. I thought it it just wasn't going to be

[22:41] an issue. >> Okay.

[22:43] » [clears throat] >> And then I I do have one question then

[22:46] for the the city representatives. As we see trailers temporary when people come

[22:51] in for a weekend and so on park in a driveway. How is that

[22:56] different than what we're seeing here? >> Sure. So

[23:00] » Like a weekend type of thing it's not a dwelling.

[23:02] » Parking your own personal recreational vehicle is very different than using

[23:07] that as a dwelling. From the perspective of the planning and

[23:10] zoning code, this camper, however it may be

[23:13] classified, however long it is, it has wheels on it. Anything with wheels on it

[23:18] per my code is mobile and therefore does not fit the

[23:22] definition of a permanent structure. To be a dwelling of any kind,

[23:29] it needs to fit that definition. It needs to be a permanent structure. It

[23:33] has wheels, it can't be a dwelling. So, her property is zoned R140 single family

[23:39] residential district, which permits exactly one dwelling and any customary

[23:44] accessory buildings, sheds, garage, detached garages, what have you. But

[23:49] again, those even those customary accessory buildings or structures

[23:54] are permanent. This has wheels, it's it's not a permanent structure. So, that

[23:59] that would be really the difference. >> Okay.

[24:03] » So, do you think your neighbor just say maybe you got a letter from the

[24:09] city that said that you have to move it and that you'd be willing to pay for it,

[24:13] would they be willing to work with you? >> Um maybe.

[24:17] I can't I don't It's not even the mom. It's not Miss Ernestine. It's her son.

[24:22] » No, well >> Because

[24:23] » I'm just saying. I mean, the son And again, I don't know the situation.

[24:27] » Mhm. >> So, and I don't know

[24:30] who has the legal standing on that, whether it's in her name or in his name.

[24:36] But I'm just saying from the standpoint here that

[24:41] you know, okay, he's being difficult. So, maybe to get around that, if you had

[24:46] a letter from the city that states that you need to move this. Because if they

[24:51] know you, they don't want to see you go to jail. They don't want to see you in

[24:54] court. I wouldn't. So, and if you had a letter from the city that says I need to

[24:59] move this or this is what's going to happen to me, but I'm willing to pay to

[25:04] have this done, would you be willing to work with me? So, that's what I'm I'm

[25:08] just asking if you think that they would be accommodating in that sense.

[25:12] » I would [clears throat] hope so because I don't have a problem moving

[25:15] about it moving it moving it. It wasn't supposed to stay there

[25:19] permanently anyway. >> So, then to the city I ask

[25:24] I mean, are we in reason or within guidelines to give her

[25:29] something to state to them that she has to have this moved and then she can

[25:35] offer to pay whatever. We wouldn't be taking care of that, but if we gave her

[25:39] some type of legal letter of some sort that we she needs to move it, can we do

[25:46] that? >> Uh the answer is yes, we could.

[25:49] » Okay. So.

[25:53] » One more question. >> Okay.

[25:55] » When you first put that trailer on there like a year or so ago,

[26:00] um who

[26:02] did you have somebody who owned a truck to put that in there or

[26:07] » No, the place where I bought it from, they delivered it.

[26:11] » They brought it in for you? Okay. Okay, now if this guy takes down his fence,

[26:18] can you scoot it out on his driveway or are you going to dig up his lawn while

[26:23] you're bringing that out? >> No, my mother's driveway go from the

[26:28] front of the street all the way to where the backyard begins. So, it's like long,

[26:35] like maybe 20 or 30 ft worth of driveway. So, once the little piece of

[26:40] fence go, then the trailer will just come out.

[26:45] » So, it would cross over to his property and then back around to your mother's

[26:51] driveway? >> Um not really cuz it was just like a

[26:55] like a section of his fence that stuck on my trailer cuz my trailer just went

[27:01] all the way in down my driveway. So I just had to move that little

[27:06] section right there so I could get in there.

[27:08] » May I approach? I'm looking at the satellite view.

[27:11] » Yes. >> It's a better view than the one we have.

[27:14] » Can we bring that up? Can we bring that up on this?

[27:17] » He going to try but if he can't the the >> [laughter]

[27:20] » He going to bring it to us and [clears throat] let us see it.

[27:24] » Where is where's the trailer now? >> The trailer is on this property.

[27:28] » [laughter]

[27:30] » It's a brand new trailer. >> That's her mother's driveway. Oh, okay.

[27:36] » Trailer [clears throat and cough] is back here.

[27:37] » Yeah, the trailer is back here. Looks like there used to be like a shed or

[27:39] something back here. >> Okay.

[27:41] » So once she gets that over and across to that driveway

[27:44] » The trailer is just too wide to make it through there. So the fence is there's a

[27:49] shadow here. >> Oh, okay.

[27:51] » Okay. >> Can you show the other board members so

[27:54] they can see? Thank you.

[27:57] » This is the driveway that she tried to get in. This driveway is that like a big

[28:01] piece of >> Oh, there it is.

[28:02] » You see this chain link fence? >> There's the driveway.

[28:05] » Yeah. >> Yeah, I think if we

[28:07] » We going to give her a letter and she >> Go all the way to the end of the house.

[28:12] » This must be the fence. >> You know.

[28:15] Know who does what with that.

[28:20] » 60 days. >> Yeah.

[28:24] » All right, is there >> You have a question?

[28:26] » Are there any more questions? Um So

[28:32] We going to work a plan with you. So give give me a second here. So Mrs.

[28:35] Sherrod >> I'd like to make a motion if I could.

[28:38] Can I It's a couple of parts. Number one is I'd like to

[28:42] request the city to provide the documentation that we discussed here

[28:47] briefly to her uh

[28:50] and that's uh like get that done here in the next few weeks if we could.

[28:54] The second part of the motion would is we delay a decision on this

[28:58] uh for approximately 90 I would say 90 days. That gives you uh plenty of time

[29:03] to go ahead and make contact with your neighbor and

[29:06] hopefully it'll get resolved and this issue will go away. If not, we'll be

[29:10] back here in uh 90 days.

[29:12] » Okay. It's a long time. >> I I think this may take a while.

[29:16] » It may take a while. >> Yeah.

[29:18] » And as long as she's working at getting it

[29:22] taken care of, I don't see a problem with that. Does anyone else see a

[29:25] problem? But if you have any stipulations or questions, this is time

[29:29] to ask. Okay. [clears throat]

[29:32] So, there is a motion on the floor for the city department to give a letter to

[29:40] her and we're giving her 90 days to work this out with her

[29:47] um neighbor. So, here's a motion. Can I get a second?

[29:56] » I'll second it since I didn't talk. >> [laughter]

[30:00] » So, it's been moved >> Wait a minute. I'd like to discuss this

[30:03] also. >> Well, she was given a sec

[30:04] » Well, you can't [laughter] I mean I I left that open for you. So, now it's

[30:08] been motioned and a second motion. So, we can't can't can't change it now.

[30:12] » But you can ask questions. >> Well, first we have to finish the

[30:17] motion. >> Yeah.

[30:18] » So, it's been moved and second. All in favor signify by saying I.

[30:22] » Are there any questions? >> No. Any opposed?

[30:25] » Opposed. >> Okay.

[30:29] Um >> I think 90 days I think

[30:32] 60. I was thinking 30, but I think 60 would be favorable cuz if we do 90 days,

[30:37] that's putting us into October meeting before we would see her again.

[30:42] Cuz we meet at the end of the month.

[30:47] Cuz it would be >> I think 90 days is too long. That's too

[30:50] long. >> Either the

[30:52] It's a cut and dried. Either the neighbor's going to move the fence or he

[30:56] isn't. It's cut and dried. >> Well, again, but but you don't have to

[31:00] deal with the neighbor. She does. So, if 90 days that you guys feel is too long,

[31:05] the motion has died. We can redo a different motion if that's what you guys

[31:10] choose to do. So, same motion is out there.

[31:15] » She will get a letter from this Excuse me.

[31:18] » I heard two nays. Was there a third? >> So, I am actually abstaining. So, Lisa,

[31:25] you would actually be the deciding for this.

[31:28] » Oh, I'm in favor of the motion. >> No, no.

[31:31] » She can't vote. >> Who's Yes, she can't vote. There's two

[31:34] two. That means the motion fails. >> She can discuss but not vote.

[31:38] » So, so the motion has died. Is that what you're saying? That's what I need to

[31:41] know. >> Yes. Yes.

[31:42] » Okay, so >> I wasn't sure of the final tally.

[31:44] » Okay, got you. So, we are going to redo the same motion, which we can do that

[31:49] with the different changes, correct? >> Yes.

[31:52] » Okay, so now I'm explaining it again for the last

[31:55] time. The motion is that the city will provide

[32:00] Ms. Clinton with a letter. We are giving her 60 days to address the

[32:07] letter and everything with her neighbor in order to have this moved before our

[32:12] next meeting. All in favor signify Well, first of all,

[32:17] can I get a second to the motion? >> I'll second it.

[32:21] » Okay. It's been moved and second. All in favor

[32:26] signify >> Wait a minute. What happened to the

[32:27] discussion? >> It After you

[32:29] » Okay, so I'm not understanding this because we had 90 days. Now we're down

[32:34] to 60 days. >> first of all, I just asked you did you

[32:37] have any questions? So, I'm not going to keep going back and forth. The substance

[32:41] of this is at this point 90 days you guys

[32:46] voided it cuz you didn't want to go with that.

[32:49] » So, now the motion has been put back out there with 60 days.

[32:52] » Okay. >> Are you with it or not?

[32:55] » No. >> Okay, so you you stated no, but first of

[32:59] all, we haven't even had the whole

[33:02] meeting done at this point. So, first of all, all in favor signify by saying I.

[33:08] » I. >> Any opposed?

[33:10] » I oppose. >> Okay. Can I get a

[33:14] um a vote count? And I'm abstaining.

[33:18] » I'll vote. >> Katrina.

[33:21] » Miss Sherrod. Mr. Sherrod.

[33:24] » Yeah. Yay.

[33:29] » Miss Janice. >> Yes.

[33:35] » Miss Johnson. >> No.

[33:41] » Miss Mindy. >> Yes.

[33:44] » Motion passes. >> Okay, motion is passed. So,

[33:49] to clarify so that there is no misunderstanding on this part. So, we

[33:53] are going to work with you and you're going to get a letter from the city that

[33:57] states what you need to do and what we expect to get done.

[34:01] » Okay. >> You it's up to you to discuss that with

[34:04] your neighbor and then figure out how you guys want to do that.

[34:09] Again, if you would be so courteous if you get

[34:14] that figured out to please inform the Housing Appeals Board. Other than that,

[34:18] they will will be reviewing this back in 60 days. So, if you want to wait and

[34:23] come back in 60 days and tell us something or have it done within 60

[34:27] days, that is strictly up to you. But in 60 days, something needs to be handled.

[34:32] » Okay. >> Okay.

[34:37] Can I get a motion for adjournment? >> I'll make that motion.

[34:41] » I second. >> It's been moved and second. All in favor

[34:44] signify by saying I. >> I.

[34:46] » I. >> It's a done.

[34:47] Okay, I know that we did

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