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[0:58] >> So they and thing that he

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[1:00] important day. But I think

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[1:05] Go right ahead. Rhonda, thank

[1:11] you. Mayor.

[1:13] >> Thank you very right. The

[1:14] time is a seed to reading and

[1:15] we will call to order a

[1:16] regular meeting. Many city

[1:18] clerk.

[1:24] >> Thank you, Mayor.

[1:25] Councilmember Rogers,

[1:27] Councilmember MacDonald here,

[1:27] Councilmember Fleming

[1:30] Councilmember Ben Willows here

[1:31] councilmember over as

[1:31] PRESIDENT, Vice Mayor Kathy,

[1:34] you're mayor step here. Let

[1:34] the record show that all

[1:38] councilmembers are present.

[1:38] >> Thank you. We have 2 closed

[1:40] session items on the agenda

[1:41] today. Item 3.1, our

[1:43] conference legal counsel

[1:44] regarding anticipated with

[1:45] mitigation and also item 3.2

[1:46] is a conference legal counsel

[1:49] regarding existing medication.

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[2:02] MADAM Zuma. Clark, Lauren,

[2:03] anybody online?

[2:04] >> We have no one raising

[2:06] their hand on

[2:07] >> We will close public

[2:08] comment and recess into closed

[2:23] session. Thank

[4:52] All right now,

[4:53] welcome back, everyone. Thank

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[4:55] meeting Open session. MADAM

[4:59] City Clerk.

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[6:18] Will you please restate this

[6:22] in Spanish? Yes, Ron, think

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[7:38] And but I like to put this

[7:42] one, what you see the U.S..

[7:43] >> All right. Thank you. MADAM

[7:43] City clerk, would you please

[7:44] call the roll?

[7:46] >> Thank you. Mayor

[7:47] Councilmember Rogers,

[7:49] Councilmember MacDonald here,

[7:50] Councilmember Fleming

[7:52] Councilmember Ben Willows Air

[7:53] Councilmember Alvarez as it

[7:54] Vice Mayor Okrepkie here.

[7:56] Mayor step here. Let the

[7:57] record show that all

[8:01] councilmembers are present.

[8:02] >> Thank you again. Welcome

[8:04] everyone move on to item 4.1,

[8:08] our South Santa Rosa specific

[8:09] plan draft preferred

[8:09] alternative. All right. And

[8:10] welcome members are planning

[8:16] been great to have you back.

[8:20] Oh, here we go.

[8:22] >> Thanks. Good afternoon,

[8:23] mayor and council members and

[8:24] members of the Public, Amy

[8:25] Nicholson, supervising

[8:28] planner. Before we dive into

[8:29] the presentation, I'd like to

[8:31] take just a few moments to

[8:33] frame where we are in the

[8:34] specific plan process and what

[8:36] we are asking. Of the council

[8:39] today. So this presentation is

[8:41] focus on the draft, a

[8:44] preferred land use and

[8:44] circulation alternative for

[8:46] the South Center is a specific

[8:48] plan and that reflects the

[8:48] feedback on the 3

[8:51] alternatives. Were previously

[8:56] presented preferred

[8:57] alternative establishes a

[8:58] physical framework for the

[9:00] plan. So this is where housing

[9:01] commercial and other types of

[9:05] uses MAY occur. And at what

[9:06] intensity. And it also shows

[9:08] how people can safely move

[9:11] with men and through the plan

[9:15] area. So are primary. Ask is

[9:15] whether council is comfortable

[9:16] with the draft. Preferred

[9:19] alternative has proposed so

[9:20] that we can move into the next

[9:24] phase of policy development.

[9:25] As you'll hear in the

[9:26] presentation, community

[9:27] feedback has been critical in

[9:31] shaping the preferred

[9:32] alternative particular,

[9:34] particularly related to land

[9:36] use and density as well as

[9:36] connectivity and

[9:37] transportation safety

[9:41] improvements. We have heard

[9:43] significant concerns about

[9:45] housing affordability as well

[9:46] as displacement as a result of

[9:48] the specific plan. The

[9:50] importance of Mobile home Park

[9:50] preservation, tenant

[9:53] protections. And support for

[9:57] annexation. So you won't see

[10:00] these policies directly

[10:01] reflected in the draft

[10:02] preferred alternative that

[10:03] will be presented this

[10:06] afternoon but know that these

[10:08] will be part of the policy

[10:10] development process that staff

[10:13] is beginning work on now and

[10:15] will be presented to the

[10:17] council and the community as a

[10:17] part of the next round, which

[10:19] we anticipate will be later

[10:24] this fall. Just one other

[10:26] important important point that

[10:27] I'd like to make is the

[10:28] partnership between the city

[10:29] of Santa Rosa in the county of

[10:30] Sonoma. We've been working

[10:34] closely with the planning

[10:37] staff as well as starting

[10:38] conversations with the

[10:38] Community Development

[10:42] Commission as it relates to.

[10:43] Housing policies. Given that

[10:44] much of this plan areas

[10:45] actually within the county's

[10:48] jurisdiction. So our goal at

[10:50] the end of this process is

[10:51] that both the city Council and

[10:53] the Board of Supervisors adopt

[10:57] this planned so that it

[10:58] applies regardless of

[10:59] jurisdiction and any future

[11:03] annexation decisions. So with

[11:04] that, we welcome the council

[11:04] specific feedback on land use

[11:08] and circulation alternatives

[11:09] as well as any continue to

[11:10] impact on policy priorities as

[11:11] we move forward in the

[11:22] process.

[11:23] >> thank you. Supervisor

[11:23] Nicholson for that

[11:28] introduction Greetings, Mayor

[11:28] staff members of the council

[11:29] man is caught him. Okay. I'm a

[11:30] senior partner in the morning

[11:32] division. I'm very excited to

[11:35] present the draft preferred

[11:35] alternative portion of the

[11:36] South Centre is a specific

[11:43] plan. Thanks for background to

[11:44] an introduction. Supervisor

[11:47] Nicholson, I will move through

[11:48] the presentation.

[11:50] >> Just to talk about will be

[11:51] chatting about today. So we'll

[11:54] go over what the project has

[11:55] consisted of thus far at this

[11:55] point in the process and then

[11:56] describe the draft referred

[11:58] alternative itself and then go

[11:59] on to a next steps in the

[12:06] specific plan process. So this

[12:09] specific plan process started

[12:11] with visioning exercise isn't

[12:12] getting feedback about issues

[12:14] community members vision for

[12:14] the use Greater South Center

[12:19] is the area this consisted of

[12:19] virtual workshops, in-person

[12:23] workshops, a survey table

[12:24] various events and

[12:25] celebrations and things of of

[12:27] of that nature in the

[12:30] community. We eventually

[12:32] released. The alternatives

[12:34] report which reflected that

[12:35] feedback I've received

[12:36] throughout the average

[12:38] process. And as you'll

[12:41] remember, we did hold a study

[12:42] session with the City Council

[12:44] on MARCH 24th earlier this

[12:46] year and got some feedback

[12:48] that discuss later on in my

[12:50] presentation. So all that

[12:51] feedback that received on land

[12:54] use and circulation

[12:57] alternatives report is a

[12:58] serving is informing the

[12:59] preparation of the draft

[12:59] preferred alternative that we

[13:03] are discussing today the

[13:05] outreach that we've performed

[13:07] for that first far is that we

[13:08] did hold a virtual workshop

[13:10] late JULY. And our reach is

[13:11] actually still ongoing sort

[13:12] table in community events for

[13:13] meeting with neighborhood

[13:14] groups. We do have another

[13:15] survey open that is available

[13:19] for folks to take as well. We

[13:21] did present it to the planning

[13:22] Commission. We have a study

[13:23] session with them on Thursday

[13:25] of last week. Today's study

[13:26] session, obviously with the

[13:30] council and then on AUGUST,

[13:32] 25th, we are presenting to the

[13:33] county Board of Supervisors

[13:35] has a supervisor. Nicholson

[13:37] mentioned it is crucial to

[13:38] engage in an ongoing

[13:39] partnership with the county

[13:40] and ultimately get the boards

[13:43] by in on this effort. Then

[13:47] later on this year resident

[13:47] Wilson mention will move on to

[13:48] the preparation of the actual

[13:50] specific point itself. And

[13:52] that will include the creation

[13:53] of those goals and policies

[13:55] and the associated

[13:56] Implementation strategy. We'll

[13:56] also be preparing the

[14:00] environmental impact report

[14:01] shooting for adoption by the

[14:03] council in both the border,

[14:04] both the council and the Board

[14:05] of Supervisors later on in

[14:11] spring of 2027. And then the

[14:12] slide. It might be a little

[14:12] bit hard to see. But this kind

[14:14] of shows where we are in

[14:15] overall process. You'll know

[14:17] that we're a little bit over

[14:21] half way of two-year process.

[14:21] I will note as well that

[14:23] you'll see a lot of deliver

[14:25] exciting deliverables and

[14:26] milestones between now and

[14:28] good option of the plan. And

[14:29] I'll talk a little bit more

[14:30] about that during my

[14:35] discussion of next steps. So

[14:36] just to kind refresh the

[14:37] council's memory about what

[14:40] the alternatives consisted of.

[14:43] So as I mentioned, we took

[14:44] feedback from the community

[14:44] lived experiences and their

[14:45] visions for the South Center

[14:48] is area and brought forward 3

[14:51] district approaches for

[14:52] development and land use

[14:52] changes in addition to

[14:55] transportation network

[14:56] improvements to hopefully

[14:57] address those issues and

[14:57] achieve the vision is for the

[15:01] neighborhoods in this area.

[15:02] And all feedback did inform.

[15:05] As I mentioned, the creation

[15:06] of this trap preferred

[15:06] alternative that we're

[15:11] discussing today. And briefly

[15:13] recap each of the 3

[15:14] alternatives that we discussed

[15:15] in our meeting last last time

[15:17] during our study session. So

[15:19] the first alternative is a

[15:21] mixed use corridor on Centers

[15:24] avenue. It also uses smaller

[15:25] or larger parks on the eastern

[15:29] portion of the plan area. And

[15:31] then a consistent across all 3

[15:32] alternatives as you'll notice.

[15:34] We are maintaining the

[15:36] existing industrial

[15:36] designations to the West and

[15:39] southwest of the plan area.

[15:40] And then the second

[15:42] alternative is city center

[15:44] growth. So that really focuses

[15:45] increased residential

[15:46] developments surrounding the

[15:46] Costco shopping Center or

[15:50] center is a marketplace. And

[15:52] finally, number 3 is centers,

[15:53] which kind of takes a stripped

[15:54] down version of both one into

[15:57] and combines them to focus

[15:58] increased residential density

[16:00] to the south of Costco and a

[16:01] stripped down version of the

[16:04] mixed use district attorney of

[16:06] one primarily in the southern

[16:07] southern portion of the

[16:13] center's Avenue corridor. And

[16:15] so I've touched on a bit

[16:17] already, but we did, as I

[16:19] mentioned, a hold person and

[16:20] virtual workshops. We

[16:21] presented to broad range of

[16:23] the city and county boards of

[16:26] boards and commissions. We did

[16:27] hold study Sessions of the

[16:28] Planning Commission and City

[16:29] Council. In addition to the

[16:31] Summit County Planning

[16:33] Commission, we post a lot of

[16:35] exciting social media content,

[16:35] including Instagram, Real

[16:37] which I was very happy with.

[16:38] In addition to, you know, bus

[16:42] to our subscribers. And as I

[16:44] mentioned, tabling at existing

[16:48] celebrations, Cinco de Mayo

[16:50] the Bear Farm Harvest

[16:51] Festival. Was a great time

[16:52] being out in the community

[16:55] hearing from folks. You'll see

[16:56] a screen shot on the right

[16:58] side of the screen of our of

[16:59] our face. But one of our

[16:59] Facebook posts on that we

[17:00] posted about this effort as

[17:05] well. And then as far as

[17:06] takeaways, I want to start

[17:08] with just kind of summarizing

[17:09] the feedback of the council

[17:13] provided to during the MARCH

[17:14] 24th workshop. So we've heard

[17:15] a lot of feedback about

[17:17] Moreland specifically. We knew

[17:18] we wanted to see investment in

[17:22] infrastructure Moreland and

[17:23] that is bike and ped bicycle

[17:24] and pedestrian improvements.

[17:27] Increased connectivity to

[17:29] Centers avenue and then

[17:31] focusing on that investment

[17:31] for existing Moreland

[17:33] residents and not increasing

[17:34] residential densities in the

[17:38] Moreland neighborhood due to

[17:39] existing to potential

[17:40] exacerbation of existing

[17:41] infrastructure needs in the

[17:46] area. We also heard that we

[17:47] like to focus on supporting

[17:49] both new and existing

[17:49] businesses, particularly along

[17:53] the center is Avenue corridor

[17:55] and then we heard some

[17:56] excitement from the council

[17:56] about the of the Greenway

[17:58] connections that flows through

[18:03] the along the Todd Creek limit

[18:04] the are the reaches of the

[18:05] Todd Go through the planning

[18:09] area. And then we also heard

[18:10] support for him feel closer to

[18:12] the urban core, acknowledging

[18:14] some of the costs of

[18:15] infrastructure as you get

[18:17] further away from the the true

[18:20] Santa Rosa Urban core. And

[18:24] then we did broad support for

[18:26] keeping displacement issues

[18:26] and equity issues at the

[18:29] center of our approaches to

[18:30] the discussions of these of

[18:37] issues. And a lot of the

[18:38] public take away. The takeaway

[18:40] is that we received the public

[18:41] engagement are kind of on your

[18:44] screen as you'll see. And

[18:45] there's a lot of overlap

[18:47] between what the council and

[18:47] with County Planning

[18:48] Commission and center of

[18:54] Planning Commission all said

[18:55] but we did kind of we did

[18:58] notice we that we experience

[18:58] that most people like various

[19:00] parts of each alternative but

[19:04] didn't have super clear

[19:05] oftentimes we noticed and

[19:06] share that there needs to be a

[19:10] better East-West connection

[19:11] from Orland across one-on-one

[19:13] into the center is Avenue

[19:13] corridor and also back from

[19:20] west to east and then my that

[19:24] be provided by new multi-modal

[19:24] crossing a Bellevue, which is

[19:25] consistent with the center is

[19:28] a general plan 2050, and is

[19:29] supported by our

[19:31] transportation public works.

[19:34] Folks and then additional

[19:35] investment and Moreland. I

[19:36] didn't mention sidewalk safer

[19:38] streets, lighting public

[19:39] transit connections and just

[19:39] overall better connections

[19:44] throughout the city.

[19:45] >> And then there's a lot of

[19:46] excitement about Centers

[19:46] avenue improvements to allow

[19:50] for.

[19:55] >> Multi-modal experience and

[19:56] and then also, as I mentioned,

[19:57] keeping equity displacement.

[19:58] Top of mind as we navigate

[20:04] throughout this process. Ok,

[20:07] moving on to the draft

[20:07] preferred alternative. There

[20:08] are a couple maps that are a

[20:12] little bit hard to read. It's

[20:14] always a struggle trying to

[20:14] get all necessary information

[20:15] like to communicate. So the

[20:16] stock, let's through it. And

[20:17] if we need to revisit

[20:19] anything, I'm happy to do

[20:23] that. So we We did take that

[20:25] mixed use district from the

[20:25] first alternatives and

[20:27] centered on Center's avenue

[20:31] with a higher density

[20:33] residential to the south and

[20:33] north of couscous. We

[20:37] ultimately combines the urban

[20:38] the center of the city center

[20:39] growth with the mixed use

[20:43] district alternatives. And

[20:45] then we decided to integrate

[20:46] smaller parks throughout. I

[20:49] think a lot of the folks

[20:50] preferred kind meandering

[20:54] creek pathway that connects 2

[20:54] little outdoor open space

[20:56] moments along the along the

[20:57] Pathway and also provides an

[20:58] opportunity to traverse the

[21:00] plan area without needing to

[21:04] be on center is avenue. And

[21:06] then you'll see a broad

[21:08] diversity of housing with the

[21:09] high density housing centered

[21:12] along the center's Avenue

[21:14] corridor with media and then

[21:15] density as you stray further

[21:17] from the Saint Rose Avenue

[21:19] corridor. Keeping in mind of

[21:19] the infrastructure costs

[21:20] associated with the touch

[21:24] development. And then as I

[21:24] mentioned, maintain is

[21:26] industrial uses to the West in

[21:29] the south and I'd like to also

[21:31] note that none of the plan

[21:31] area, 17 mobile home parks are

[21:32] proposed to read as a nation

[21:39] of any kind. Okay. So I talked

[21:40] a little bit of

[21:41] transportation, but I was

[21:42] mainly focusing on the land

[21:44] use and that slide. So I just

[21:47] kind of briefly touch upon the

[21:48] transportation improvements

[21:49] that are contemplated with the

[21:51] draft, the preferred

[21:54] alternative. I mentioned the

[21:55] center's avenue improvements.

[21:56] So as you MAY remember, the

[22:00] city just adopted. They're

[22:01] active transportation plan.

[22:03] And the county is also adopted

[22:05] as well. So the thought is to

[22:07] just integrate the scientific

[22:08] findings and recommendations

[22:09] of those plans and in truth

[22:09] and then to this plan to make

[22:12] it a seamless, a seamless

[22:16] transition integration. And I

[22:17] mentioned the multimodal pass

[22:19] along the creek that would

[22:20] connect neighborhood Park

[22:22] cynic in existing and new

[22:26] neighborhoods in the plan area

[22:26] and then improving the

[22:27] one-on-one crossings both

[22:30] Baker and Todd Road. And then

[22:32] a new multi-modal crossing a

[22:33] Bellevue and potentially a new

[22:34] bike, a ped crossing at Rules

[22:39] Avenue. And then will now kind

[22:41] of zoom in a geographically to

[22:42] the both the north and in the

[22:43] central and southern parts of

[22:46] the plan area to see what are

[22:46] the actual changes from what

[22:47] is currently designated up

[22:50] there. We're getting so

[22:52] looking at the northern part

[22:54] of the plan mention that we're

[22:55] looking at increasing

[22:56] residential densities around

[23:00] the Costco area, leveraging

[23:02] the existing multitude of

[23:05] options for grocery and

[23:06] entertainment and kind of

[23:06] other daily needs that are

[23:08] provided in that Costco

[23:09] shopping center integrating

[23:12] existing and new neighborhood

[23:13] parks. I mentioned that the

[23:14] improved highway, 1, 1,

[23:19] overcrossing as well. And

[23:20] improving district overall

[23:23] existing corridors and new

[23:25] noon necessary connections to

[23:27] enhance walkability for both

[23:27] new and existing residents of

[23:33] the neighborhood. Moving south

[23:34] to the central and southern

[23:37] portions of the plan area so

[23:38] that this is where you'll see

[23:39] that mixed use district on

[23:41] Centers avenue with commercial

[23:42] centers and active retail

[23:43] frontage to enhance the

[23:46] walkability experience in the

[23:47] area. And they also noticed

[23:50] that transit hub is kind of a

[23:51] translucent because folks in

[23:54] transit wanted the flexibility

[23:59] to adjust specific location as

[24:00] development occurs. And as the

[24:01] city has an opportunity to

[24:01] procuring necessary right of

[24:06] way. And then you'll also

[24:07] notice the low and medium

[24:10] density housing to the east of

[24:12] the connection from Mel to

[24:12] Petaluma Hill Road Condit

[24:15] operative, your slide there.

[24:17] And then as I mentioned, all

[24:19] industrial uses are maintained

[24:19] and then you'll see Greenway

[24:23] connection that starts all the

[24:24] way. The top right of your

[24:24] screen, the northeast portion

[24:27] of the plan area, that

[24:28] neighborhood park and follows

[24:30] the creek path way all the way

[24:31] down through the transit hub

[24:32] and then eventually hopefully

[24:36] connecting with the runner

[24:37] Park. The smart train, smarter

[24:44] trail down to run a park. So

[24:47] here is our total projected

[24:48] build out and just want to cut

[24:49] caviar by saying this is a

[24:51] full build out realistically

[24:53] would likely not occur for

[24:54] several decades. So well,

[24:56] seems very striking at this

[24:57] point. It would be quite

[25:01] incremental in nature. And

[25:04] most of those new the 6300

[25:06] residential units would would

[25:07] result from the new mixed use

[25:08] areas along the center's

[25:10] avenue, which we envision and

[25:12] up to 40 units per acre. And

[25:16] they're also be a nearly

[25:17] 3 million square feet of a new

[25:17] nonresidential construction.

[25:19] And again, that is permit from

[25:23] the mixed use and industrial

[25:29] areas of the plant area. Okay.

[25:33] So I don't think I mentioned

[25:35] U.S. The specific plan area

[25:38] severely lacking in green,

[25:40] open spaces, which is why I'm

[25:41] really excited about that

[25:44] creek pathway and the job, the

[25:45] potential to build a new

[25:46] neighborhood parks that are

[25:46] all connected by that creek

[25:47] path. Where think it will be

[25:51] quite nice. But just 2, just

[25:53] take the city park standard is

[25:57] 6 acres per 1000 residents and

[25:59] the plan would include park

[25:59] space that would meet the

[26:01] standard of future residents.

[26:03] But that would likely be

[26:04] developed prior to full build

[26:06] out so existing residents

[26:07] would get to enjoy the benefit

[26:10] of the parks, provided

[26:11] specific plan and that would

[26:13] be more of the medium term

[26:14] need that is addressed and as

[26:21] opposed to be longer term.

[26:25] Next As I mentioned, we are

[26:27] continuing outreach. Our draft

[26:28] preferred alternative. The

[26:29] survey is still open. We have

[26:29] some meetings scheduled some

[26:34] table exciting tabling events,

[26:37] but that will continue through

[26:39] summer. And late summer early

[26:40] fall will start conducting

[26:43] some analysis of the preferred

[26:44] alternative and understanding

[26:45] the infrastructure and

[26:45] circulation needs of full

[26:48] build out. Towards the end of

[26:52] the year as Supervisor

[26:55] Nicholson mentioned, we will

[26:55] starch work shopping and

[26:58] actual specific plan and are

[27:00] with with the release of those

[27:03] things. And that will also

[27:04] include study session with the

[27:05] commission and the Council on

[27:14] those policy ideas. Yeah,

[27:15] eventually looking what other

[27:16] mentions looking to adopt the

[27:18] specific plant in spring of

[27:20] 2027. And that would be the

[27:21] specific plan and

[27:21] environmental impact in

[27:26] report. Okay. That's my

[27:29] presentation. The final slide

[27:29] just a few helpful qr codes

[27:30] for folks in the audience for

[27:34] for anybody watching online on

[27:35] the far left, one is just the

[27:36] website that is that is online

[27:38] on the city's website about

[27:40] this plan. Middle One is if

[27:42] you want to sign up for e-mail

[27:43] distribution, major milestone

[27:44] announcements and things of

[27:46] that nature. And then as I

[27:47] mentioned, preferred

[27:47] alternative survey is open

[27:49] right now. So if you want to

[27:50] take that, maybe save the

[27:51] bookmark, you can scan that qr

[27:55] code on the far right. And

[27:56] finally, there's our e-mail

[27:57] address, the Self Sr specific

[27:59] plan. That's That's our city

[28:00] Dot org. And then we have a

[28:01] phone number on there for both

[28:05] English and Spanish speakers.

[28:06] That concludes my

[28:08] presentation. I'm happy to

[28:09] entertain questions or or

[28:14] facilitated discussion.

[28:14] >> Current Connor, Amy just

[28:15] couldn't. Gabe, thank you very

[28:17] much. This is just a huge

[28:18] project project, unusually

[28:19] important for the city. Thank

[28:20] you for bringing this back to

[28:20] us. Looking to counsel the

[28:26] questions, MR. Alvarez. And

[28:27] thank you for the that's been

[28:30] put into the outreach. And

[28:31] really, you participation from

[28:32] the community less felt

[28:33] disenfranchised for decades.

[28:35] With that being said, I know

[28:38] it's hard to gauge metrics

[28:39] when it comes to

[28:40] participation. But how have

[28:42] you personally feel about the

[28:44] civic engagement from our

[28:46] community in regards to the

[28:46] future. Santa Rosa in the

[28:50] Southwest Corridor.

[28:51] >> Yeah, that's a great.

[28:52] That's a great question. I

[28:54] think you kind of speaks to

[28:55] the heart of And I think the

[28:56] people behind you speak to the

[29:00] fact as well right? Yeah, I

[29:01] think I think in some ways I

[29:02] will never feel like enough

[29:03] because there's always

[29:05] somebody who didn't hasn't

[29:05] heard about the planning

[29:09] process that we've been doing.

[29:09] But I do think throughout the

[29:11] employment of all the

[29:12] different strategies that I've

[29:15] discussed, you know, some some

[29:16] pretty conventional kind of

[29:17] government outreach come come

[29:21] see us at our workshop. Verse.

[29:22] Let me come eat with your

[29:24] neighborhood group or you'll

[29:25] see me at the Cinco de Mayo

[29:26] celebration or something like

[29:28] that. I think throughout the

[29:29] def all the different

[29:30] approaches that we took, I

[29:31] think I think we've gotten

[29:35] better. A better response. And

[29:37] I think a normal traditional

[29:38] conventional government

[29:42] outreach effort and I have

[29:43] been PRESIDENT Some of

[29:43] meetings and I'm impressed

[29:44] with the knot of people and

[29:46] the quality of comments and

[29:48] him and ideas that are being

[29:51] shared with the law. So I do

[29:51] appreciate it.

[29:54] >> in regards to alternatives

[29:55] and hearing. But the lived

[29:56] experience from the residents

[29:58] of Southwest Santa Rosa, what

[29:59] seems to be the biggest hurdle

[30:04] that they for seeing besides

[30:05] time and and you stated a

[30:08] little bit of the equitable

[30:10] housing when it comes to the

[30:12] word affordable. Are other any

[30:12] factors that you worry? The

[30:13] residents of Southwest Center

[30:16] is?

[30:18] >> Yeah, I think trying just a

[30:20] bit of my presentation, but I

[30:23] think just general lack of

[30:24] infrastructure investment,

[30:25] they don't feel safe walking

[30:27] on the street. They don't feel

[30:28] comfortable writing anything

[30:30] other than a car to go

[30:31] shopping or take their kids to

[30:32] school or do other kind of

[30:36] daily need just because of

[30:37] general lack of infrastructure

[30:39] development in the area.

[30:40] >> Would you feel that? That's

[30:41] part of the reason that

[30:43] committee believe

[30:45] connectivity, 2 Saint Rose

[30:46] Avenue from Southwest Santa

[30:46] Rosa is so vital and one of

[30:47] the concerns of the community

[30:53] absolutely. And in regards to

[30:54] the way that we're looking at

[30:58] the the corridor, as you know,

[30:58] with the quarter, but the

[30:59] central housing model or the

[31:02] different alternatives. How

[31:03] will all the houses are being

[31:05] built? Currently? Influence

[31:11] our? And result, for example,

[31:12] done medal every single time

[31:13] that drive anywhere near

[31:15] Bellevue or gone done Meadow.

[31:17] I have to pay attention to the

[31:19] road as it changes the housing

[31:20] is incredible amount of

[31:22] housing that's coming in and

[31:23] infrastructure being

[31:25] introduced in the area as

[31:26] well. But I'm wondering the

[31:30] decade from now, how will this

[31:31] study incorporate the new

[31:31] housing that's now being

[31:35] built?

[31:38] >> So I think as part of the

[31:38] analysis that is associated

[31:40] with this plan, we are

[31:43] considering projects that are

[31:43] recently construction projects

[31:45] that are currently under

[31:45] construction and finally

[31:47] projects that could be

[31:48] constructed and compliance

[31:51] with those plans. So and you

[31:52] know, 10, 10 years from now,

[31:53] if there's some projects that

[31:56] have popped up, we have

[31:57] analyzed the infrastructure

[31:59] needs of those of of those

[32:00] projects and ideally, it would

[32:03] be an improved experience.

[32:04] >> Now, this is a very loaded

[32:06] question. I do not expect the

[32:07] answer, but I ponder whenever

[32:12] we speak of housing. We are

[32:13] doing our best to build

[32:16] housing in Santa Rosa, even to

[32:16] the point where some are

[32:21] saying it's too much. With the

[32:22] increase in inventory

[32:23] ultimately in your opinions.

[32:24] And this is after all, just

[32:27] opinions lead to more

[32:28] affordable housing for those

[32:30] that live in the area or will

[32:32] we do see gap that exists in

[32:33] this extremely loaded

[32:34] question? And I do understand

[32:38] that.

[32:39] >> Thank you, councilmember. I

[32:42] believe that's an excellent

[32:45] question. Oftentimes from the

[32:47] whole conversation of building

[32:48] housing. How does it affect

[32:51] the economic vitality of Santa

[32:51] Rosa? And what does it look

[32:52] like in the future? Because

[32:53] housing does a lot of things,

[32:55] right? It brings people brings

[32:56] revenue with those

[32:57] individuals. Those individuals

[32:58] have needs and we have a lot

[33:00] of stress on the need for

[33:01] affordable housing. So really,

[33:02] what does it do to housing

[33:04] prices is often part of the

[33:06] process. I think a lot of that

[33:07] is dictated by the market is

[33:09] very difficult to determine

[33:10] what the value of prices,

[33:11] housing prices will look like

[33:14] 10 to 25 years from now. I

[33:16] think when we look at the

[33:17] strategies and it really and I

[33:18] you'll hear it from some of

[33:21] the public comment today. It's

[33:21] really about ensuring that we

[33:24] have the appropriate mix types

[33:25] for Ford abilities and

[33:26] protecting certain housing

[33:26] types. This development comes

[33:27] in also recognizing

[33:29] development is needed. But how

[33:30] do you really create that full

[33:31] spectrum of affordability? And

[33:32] that's really what a lot of

[33:34] these plans attempt to look

[33:36] at. It is I can't state that

[33:38] an affordable units truly

[33:38] affordable 20 years from now

[33:40] because that's the value of

[33:42] the dollar. But ensuring that

[33:44] we have that spectrum of

[33:45] affordability is really

[33:46] critical to these plans in

[33:47] understanding how we get that

[33:49] appropriate mix tape that

[33:51] really does drive our economic

[33:52] development desires does make

[33:53] sure we're taking care of our

[33:54] community from those from that

[33:56] variety of spectrums. And I

[33:58] think what you see today from

[33:59] the preferred alternative is a

[34:01] blending of those various

[34:02] types in attempt to try to

[34:04] meet that, to understand where

[34:05] the densities makes sense from

[34:06] a transportation standpoint

[34:07] from an economic development

[34:09] standpoint, also understand,

[34:10] and this will be a future

[34:11] conversation from the Counter

[34:13] Council where we need to

[34:14] protect that existing housing

[34:14] stock because that is

[34:15] important to the community

[34:16] from an affordability

[34:18] standpoint. So very critical

[34:19] part of the plan, but very

[34:20] difficult to determine at

[34:21] total dollar amount of what

[34:22] that looks like in the future.

[34:24] And thank you for taking a

[34:25] loaded question. And this was

[34:27] it just gives greatly

[34:27] appreciated.

[34:28] >> And I just asked you look

[34:30] towards the future. The

[34:31] following question is for you

[34:33] just look in the rearview

[34:34] mirror and the question is

[34:35] when it comes to the

[34:38] infrastructure that we

[34:38] currently have, you know, use

[34:41] Kern as an example with this

[34:43] lack of sidewalks, even in

[34:44] from Southwest Community Park,

[34:46] where we just all a light near

[34:50] for Burbank Avenue. Could you

[34:52] explain why there aren't

[34:53] sidewalks to this point and

[34:56] ultimately his responsibility.

[34:56] It is an understanding that we

[34:59] had with the developers of of

[34:59] yesterday compared to us

[35:05] moving forward.

[35:06] >> Yes, that that is another

[35:08] excellent point. Typically the

[35:09] expansion of infrastructure is

[35:12] often done with development

[35:14] and sidewalk is a really good

[35:15] example that most of the

[35:16] sidewalks that we have in

[35:17] Santa Rosa were a part of a

[35:18] development. Was the

[35:20] developers responsibility.

[35:21] Now, the problem that creates

[35:21] is how do you create

[35:23] continuity through that side?

[35:26] Way in for sidewalk?

[35:27] Infrastructure because there's

[35:28] often gaps where development

[35:29] is not occurring or developers

[35:33] not required to do so. So

[35:33] really one of the focuses that

[35:35] we have placed through the

[35:36] lens that we pondella Mont

[35:37] applications is how do we

[35:37] ensure that closing that

[35:39] sidewalk? Connectivity gap?

[35:40] There is a legal next. This is

[35:41] what the city can ask for is

[35:44] part of developments. So

[35:45] sometimes that creates

[35:46] challenges and increase that

[35:47] cap and infrastructure. I

[35:49] think what is a really

[35:49] important point to a specific

[35:52] plan because in many ways it

[35:54] is aspirational. It develops a

[35:55] set of infrastructure needed

[35:58] to support full density. It

[35:59] doesn't always factor into the

[36:00] city's current fiscal

[36:03] constraints. So when we

[36:04] determined really a cost of

[36:05] service analysis or a cost to

[36:06] the plan, which is a piece

[36:10] that will evolve it really

[36:11] attempts to understand how you

[36:12] come up with creative funding

[36:13] solutions that help to close

[36:15] the gap because you can't

[36:16] completely rely on development

[36:17] because development does occur

[36:18] in various areas and it

[36:20] doesn't necessarily go in a

[36:22] logical pattern. So as we

[36:23] progress through this and

[36:23] understand those really in

[36:26] critical points to the

[36:27] community, I think it

[36:28] important pieces injecting

[36:30] some creative revenue

[36:30] strategies where we can look

[36:31] at this plan area to

[36:32] understand how we could

[36:33] potentially address that in

[36:35] the future. That always, that

[36:36] hasn't always been factored in

[36:38] previous plans. Becomes very

[36:40] aspirational. And the reality

[36:41] is, is the appropriate funding

[36:41] is not necessarily there to

[36:44] close those gaps. But this is

[36:46] a good opportunity to take

[36:47] those challenges that we know

[36:48] of and try to figure out a

[36:49] better model moving forward

[36:52] that can prevent And just can

[36:56] minor of Burbank Avenue.

[36:58] >> And where there's a bit

[36:59] where this is not develop

[36:59] planning and residential and

[37:01] up and down the poured over

[37:02] Burbank Avenue and yet side of

[37:04] the street has sidewalks and

[37:04] even on that side of the

[37:09] street, is there anything that

[37:13] residents can advocate for in

[37:14] ordered have those sidewalks

[37:15] place, although it's already

[37:20] been developed.

[37:21] >> Yes, usually. And obviously

[37:23] this is getting into Director

[37:24] Hennessy's arena on how those

[37:25] types of projects are funded.

[37:25] So I'll talk about that. It

[37:29] really at a high level that's

[37:30] very much some of the

[37:32] challenges, right? Sidewalk is

[37:33] the private property owners

[37:33] spawn civility, the expansion,

[37:35] the sidewalk comes in through

[37:36] development. When we look at

[37:37] concepts such as safe routes

[37:39] to schools or other

[37:40] initiatives where they've

[37:41] looked at connectivity in

[37:42] providing safe routes through

[37:45] a pedestrian path. Those

[37:46] usually require other funding

[37:48] sources to close those gaps. I

[37:49] know much of the discussion

[37:52] about Rosalynn was gaps and

[37:52] infrastructure in

[37:53] understanding where sidewalk

[37:54] is and where you where it is

[37:55] and how do you focus on

[37:56] creating that connectivity?

[37:57] And where is the appropriate

[38:00] funding source for that? So I

[38:01] think it's always it's always

[38:02] interesting when development

[38:03] isn't occurring because that

[38:03] is based on what the economy

[38:04] is doing. We do go through

[38:06] peaks and valleys, but the

[38:07] need in the community still

[38:09] exists in the Valley of

[38:10] development. And how do we

[38:12] understand how that's

[38:14] prioritized over other capital

[38:15] looks projects and the

[38:16] expenditures associated with

[38:17] that that are needed to fund

[38:20] some of these. But that really

[38:21] becomes part of the capital

[38:21] project mix and understanding

[38:24] where those come in. As I

[38:26] mentioned in the previous

[38:27] response, understanding how

[38:28] much can be placed on

[38:29] development in pushing further

[38:31] for that is a critical piece

[38:31] to to make sure that that we

[38:33] don't have to piecemeal that

[38:35] together. But it is a bit of a

[38:37] challenge with those

[38:37] understanding the appropriate

[38:38] funding strategy for closing

[38:42] the sidewalk apps.

[38:43] >> And before I get the mic

[38:43] back where they want to thank

[38:45] both our city staff and my

[38:49] colleagues for the effort to.

[38:50] Install the sidewalk stall

[38:53] high visibility crosswalk in

[38:54] front of group from McMahon

[38:55] and Burbank and what has been

[38:57] done in that intersection

[38:58] there is greatly appreciate by

[38:59] many in the community. And I

[39:01] definitely want to give a pass

[39:02] to those that I know have so

[39:05] much to do with it, which is

[39:05] are so many more than I could

[39:14] Thank you. Thank you. MISS Of

[39:17] Thank you, Mayor.

[39:21] >> Thank you so much for the I

[39:22] think first, I just want to

[39:27] say that I the combination of

[39:28] the the alternatives of wanted

[39:31] to, you know, I know bringing

[39:31] it back from the last time

[39:34] that you were here. I really

[39:34] like the direction that we're

[39:38] going in now. Because it

[39:39] encompasses so many things, I

[39:39] think that's that's really a

[39:43] good thing. Couple things that

[39:48] I'm concerned about that.

[39:49] >> know in the beginning it,

[39:52] you know, it was mentioned

[39:52] that some things weren't

[39:54] necessarily going to talk

[39:54] about.

[39:57] >> Today that we're in a

[39:59] central part of this plan. I

[40:03] guess, is the the issues of

[40:03] displacement and affordability

[40:05] and mobile home parks.

[40:07] Annexation, all those things,

[40:12] which to me is everything. So

[40:17] I said, I just want to ask. In

[40:17] terms of displacement and what

[40:18] what folks, I think what I'm

[40:21] hearing from the community are

[40:22] concerned about is being

[40:24] pushed out of their homes.

[40:26] Once this development, which

[40:28] is the great thing. But

[40:28] there's a fine line between

[40:31] improvements and pushing

[40:32] people out as was done in San

[40:35] Francisco, quite frankly. So I

[40:37] don't want to see that happen,

[40:38] especially to this particular

[40:39] area, which I think is a

[40:42] really special area. So what

[40:45] I'm wondering is what kind of

[40:46] protections do we have? And we

[40:46] can talk about we're going to

[40:48] fight against displacement.

[40:50] But what kind of protections

[40:53] do the residents really have

[40:55] to? To the extent that it can

[40:56] ensure that they will not be

[40:57] displaced from this

[41:04] development in the long term.

[41:06] Thank you for that. The

[41:10] question councilmember. I

[41:14] would start the limited areas

[41:15] where

[41:16] >> we are proposing land use

[41:17] changes within preferred

[41:25] alternative. There are areas

[41:26] intended or envision for

[41:28] higher density housing and

[41:30] mixed use and then serve the

[41:32] lower spectrum of residential

[41:34] densities primarily within

[41:35] areas that do not contain any

[41:37] residents at all. Right now,

[41:41] these are parcels that are

[41:42] used for unlike commercial or

[41:45] industrial uses or they are

[41:49] vacant. And so Ed.

[41:53] >> We have made

[41:54] >> real attempt are focused. I

[41:55] understand where existing

[41:56] residents are located and

[41:58] where land-use changes are

[41:58] suggested are proposed as a

[42:01] part of this process. Another

[42:06] piece I would add is that.

[42:07] >> The policies related

[42:09] displacement or tenant

[42:11] protections. Those can be

[42:12] included as part of the

[42:15] specific plan as we move into

[42:16] policy development. So my

[42:16] comments previously were just

[42:20] to say that we hope to hear

[42:22] the council's feedback on the

[42:24] land use in circulation

[42:26] changes today. But of course,

[42:27] any feedback on policy

[42:28] direction as we move forward

[42:32] is also really important.

[42:33] Great. Thank That's And I hear

[42:37] what you're saying and one

[42:38] thing to that, I will ask

[42:38] about the traffic study. I

[42:40] notice that it's it's not out

[42:44] yet. The traffic study. Okay.

[42:46] Will that go to the planning

[42:46] Commission first and then

[42:47] maybe we'll see it later or.

[42:52] >> What's the plan for that?

[42:57] >> So once we've gotten the

[42:59] feedback from the community

[43:00] and from various boards and

[43:01] commissions in the council on

[43:02] the Board of Supervisors.

[43:05] >> We'll take all that

[43:07] feedback and prepare a final

[43:10] preferred alternative and then

[43:11] will performed the traffic

[43:12] analysis and infrastructure

[43:16] analysis. I don't believe that

[43:17] study session specifically on

[43:19] that portion, but it will made

[43:20] publicly available and we'll

[43:22] do continue conversations

[43:23] about policies and to a

[43:27] specific part itself.

[43:28] >> Okay. Thank you. I was just

[43:31] concerned about it because we

[43:31] know we know currently center

[43:32] is avenue was used as an

[43:35] alternative to want to one.

[43:35] And in high traffic peaked at

[43:38] times a day. So I know the

[43:40] idea is that we're going to

[43:41] have that or circulation

[43:43] multi-modal all that stuff.

[43:44] Wonderful. But I still have

[43:49] concerns. 10 years out, 20

[43:51] years out long that's going to

[43:53] look like for the community at

[43:56] at that point, once the

[43:58] though, all those 6,000 rather

[44:00] homes get built, you know

[44:00] what, what that traffic is

[44:03] going to look like. And you

[44:03] see that all just yeah. Just

[44:04] add very quickly to what

[44:10] Connor was mentioning. So

[44:11] there's a couple pieces next

[44:14] steps that I think are really

[44:15] important for.

[44:16] >> The community and our

[44:17] decision makers, including

[44:19] both Planning Commission and

[44:21] the council. So Amy mentioned

[44:22] earlier, we will be bringing a

[44:23] study session forward. Once we

[44:27] have a draft. But the draft

[44:28] policies ready, which is that

[44:30] the draft actual specific plan

[44:32] itself and it will include all

[44:32] the policies and we will bring

[44:33] it forward to both the

[44:34] commission and the council in

[44:38] a study session with a focus

[44:40] on. Did we get it right with

[44:43] looking at addressing some of

[44:43] the protections and the

[44:44] displacement issues that have

[44:46] been brought forward. So there

[44:48] will be that process in

[44:50] addition to additional

[44:51] outreach and a similar manner

[44:53] as what Connor Mission we've

[44:56] already done to the community,

[44:59] but specific to the

[45:01] evaluation. That will be part

[45:02] of the draft er that will come

[45:04] as a public hearing to the

[45:05] Planning Commission. So it

[45:07] will be out for the public for

[45:09] review as well as the planning

[45:10] Commission. Ultimately, it

[45:11] will come to the council as

[45:13] part of the final er and

[45:14] specific plan. So you'll have

[45:15] a chance to look at at that

[45:20] point as well. Thank you.

[45:23] >> Let's see. I had just one

[45:24] other question.

[45:25] >> Okay. So in it with respect

[45:29] to mobile home parks

[45:31] >> they are part of this plan,

[45:31] right? And I know that we're

[45:33] talking about the county and

[45:35] city. My understanding is

[45:36] there's about 14 mobile home

[45:40] parks in this. 4 of which are

[45:41] in the city. And I I passed

[45:42] them every day when I come

[45:47] home

[45:48] >> you know, looking at that.

[45:48] That's why I'm really

[45:49] concerned about displacement.

[45:51] I know that to my

[45:56] understanding is the counties

[45:57] policy is so much stronger

[45:59] than ours. And I know that's

[46:01] what I've heard. I haven't

[46:02] looked at myself, but it's

[46:05] what I've heard. So I'm

[46:06] wondering because I know the

[46:07] last time that you are all

[46:08] here and we were talking about

[46:09] how you are going to work

[46:12] together with the county. Is

[46:16] there some room for you all to

[46:16] look at their policy and see

[46:17] if we can strengthen our

[46:21] policy to match that if not

[46:21] all of you, I would. I would

[46:23] hope that both the county, the

[46:25] city would look at making them

[46:25] even stronger what we don't

[46:30] want is for folks to be.

[46:32] Displaced and or displaced

[46:33] rather. And and for me that

[46:37] that is really important. So

[46:38] I'm just wondering, you know

[46:38] what, what do you foresee in

[46:40] terms of that? And when you're

[46:41] putting together the final

[46:47] plan? Thank you for the very

[46:51] important question. But

[46:52] tomorrow we actually have a

[46:54] meeting with city and county

[46:55] staffs.

[46:56] >> Specifically to it to

[46:59] discuss housing policies as we

[47:00] move forward through this Part

[47:03] of that conversation, we'll be

[47:05] looking at the existing

[47:06] protections that are in place

[47:07] within the city and how those

[47:09] differ from what the county

[47:11] has and that can help to

[47:13] inform how we develop policies

[47:14] as we move forward in the

[47:17] specific plan process. So

[47:22] we're very mindful of. The the

[47:25] layers jurisdiction and

[47:26] different staffer involved in

[47:27] in these protections and and

[47:28] implementing them and want to

[47:31] ensure that. We are addressing

[47:34] the comments that we hear and

[47:37] that we are truly

[47:38] understanding what's happening

[47:40] now then what can be done in

[47:40] the future as a part of the

[47:44] specific plan. And I just have

[47:45] one more question. It's around

[47:48] the 6300.

[47:53] >> a future housing I I am not

[47:54] against market housing. Want

[47:54] to be really clear about the

[47:55] exit think that was

[47:58] misunderstood. I am. I am for

[48:01] a diversity of different

[48:03] housing types. I really want

[48:04] to see more affordable

[48:05] housing, not just market rate.

[48:08] And I know the way things are

[48:09] set up now that what ends up

[48:09] happening more 9 times out of

[48:12] 10. I'm just going to say is

[48:13] that we end up with market

[48:17] rate housing and I think, you

[48:22] know, when I look at a couple

[48:23] of last housing projects that

[48:24] were done that were actually

[48:29] affordable and and how. From

[48:29] my understanding how quickly

[48:30] they were filled versus the

[48:31] market rate, which doesn't get

[48:33] feel very quickly. I think

[48:36] it's a question of what we

[48:39] need versus what we want. I

[48:41] know we want nice. Nice

[48:41] looking housing. I do, I think

[48:47] it all should be nice on him.

[48:48] C is as a person that I

[48:49] consider myself low-income.

[48:54] Not poor, but low-income. And.

[48:56] Much of my my district is that

[48:56] in my district isn't the only

[49:00] one and I I so I see what the

[49:01] needs are more than what we

[49:06] would what we want. And so

[49:06] just thinking about that even

[49:07] the number the number of folks

[49:08] that are considered low

[49:13] income. That try fill those

[49:14] needs as well. Not just

[49:16] marketing and I'm sorry that

[49:17] it question. But I guess my

[49:18] question of at thinking about

[49:23] that is how can we promote

[49:23] that? As we're looking for

[49:24] folks to develop of this

[49:28] house. Beyond the 50% that we

[49:29] have right now, it's I don't

[49:33] think is enough and the low

[49:37] what folks, I always tell me

[49:39] too low fees that are charged,

[49:39] if you choose not to do any

[49:45] affordable housing. Thank you

[49:48] for that question. So, yeah, I

[49:49] think those are very valid

[49:50] points. So the 6300 units that

[49:52] were mentioned, those are not

[49:54] identified as

[49:54] >> market radar affordable it.

[49:58] It is just a total number. And

[49:58] so I think, you know, as we

[50:00] start looking at the policies

[50:01] that we've talked about, we

[50:04] can certainly add in some

[50:05] language to help emphasize the

[50:06] fact that we really want this

[50:10] to be diversified area. But,

[50:11] you know, I also do want to

[50:13] emphasize the city has our

[50:13] regional housing needs numbers

[50:14] that we have to address. And

[50:17] so there will be an emphasis,

[50:18] you know, from our perspective

[50:20] to make sure that we are

[50:22] addressing that as we move

[50:22] forward with policy and in our

[50:28] conversations with developers.

[50:32] >> Thank you. MISS McDonald.

[50:36] Thank you for the

[50:37] presentation. I too appreciate

[50:38] the mixture of the alternative

[50:39] plans. I think you guys did a

[50:41] great job from council

[50:44] feedback and I appreciate

[50:45] that. I I was looking for a

[50:50] slight 11 on a couple things

[50:52] >> you're seeing in here that

[50:54] Mobile home parks were not

[50:55] proposing re designation and

[50:57] just going off of what?

[51:02] Councilmember Ben Willis said.

[51:03] Is there a way for us to

[51:05] protect the mobile home parks

[51:08] from being re-designated to

[51:09] anything but that or have you

[51:11] seen policies put in place

[51:14] where there's sort of an

[51:16] overlay to prevent them from

[51:17] selling to make them even

[51:20] affordable housing because we

[51:21] know mobile home parks are one

[51:22] of the most affordable ways

[51:23] for families to be able to

[51:26] stay in parks. And that goes

[51:29] for our senior parks as well

[51:30] family mobile home parks. And

[51:30] I'm just curious, have you

[51:35] seen any language like that?

[51:36] >> Thank you for that

[51:41] question. So I to start the

[51:43] time as mentioned. Already

[51:44] have in the city a mobile home

[51:46] land use designation as well

[51:47] as a specific zoning district

[51:49] for that. It's different in

[51:51] the county. But in the city,

[51:53] we do have that. And the the

[51:54] allowed uses within that

[51:58] mobile home zoning is very

[51:59] limited. But something

[52:00] certainly that, you know,

[52:01] given all of the comments and

[52:02] concerns that we are receiving

[52:04] from folks that live in those

[52:06] areas, certainly something

[52:07] that we can start looking at

[52:08] as we move forward again from

[52:09] a policy standpoint, but also

[52:11] looking at our zoning

[52:12] regulations to see if we want

[52:14] to shrink that down even more

[52:18] to make it more limited to

[52:22] that housing. And so any

[52:25] future requests to change it

[52:25] to something other than that

[52:27] would be through both general

[52:28] plan amendment which would

[52:29] have to come before the

[52:31] council. Thank you for that

[52:32] clarification on on that

[52:34] process. And what we can do is

[52:37] we potentially titan language

[52:38] moving forward on those

[52:39] specific areas that are

[52:42] currently designated as mobile

[52:43] home parks.

[52:45] >> what I notice on slide 11,

[52:46] specifically, if you're able

[52:48] to pull it up, you don't need

[52:49] to.

[52:50] >> But I see a lot of light

[52:51] yellow. That's as low

[52:53] residential medium-low

[52:54] residential. When I'm looking

[52:56] at your color coordinated map,

[52:59] which I appreciate, by the

[53:00] way, but I am seeing a lot of

[53:03] mixed use and it and as you

[53:06] said, Jessica, was that that

[53:08] 6300 units, they're not

[53:10] determined of how that is

[53:11] going to go. But if I'm

[53:12] looking on these color

[53:14] coordinated maps, wooden, it

[53:15] show that we actually have a

[53:16] lot of area that's going to be

[53:20] for. Low residential or is

[53:22] that considering that price of

[53:23] the market or just low

[53:24] residential of how many

[53:26] they're putting in those

[53:29] areas? Those designations are

[53:31] density. So low density

[53:34] residential today. Units per

[53:38] acre me say The colors

[53:39] differentiate amount of units.

[53:41] Second on the side doesn't

[53:42] identify the affordability. So

[53:47] yeah, when I said the 6300

[53:48] units aren't and what I meant

[53:49] by that is that they are

[53:52] identified far as the level of

[53:53] affordability that those

[53:54] units, it is just the density

[53:56] of those areas that's going to

[53:56] do with the affordability.

[53:57] Thank you for that

[53:59] clarification not makes more

[53:59] sense. What councilmember

[54:02] basically thing because I was

[54:03] thinking they actually meant a

[54:06] fairly large area. So thank

[54:07] you for that. I think that is

[54:11] most of my. Questions. One of

[54:14] the questions I had it you had

[54:15] on the map, Connor, where you

[54:17] had connectivity from south to

[54:21] our part the east to west on a

[54:22] couple different roads. Could

[54:23] you tell me what that would

[54:24] look like for connectivity? I

[54:26] know we just did the Hearn

[54:27] we're talking about a bridge

[54:31] can to connect, you know,

[54:32] North West and northeast. But

[54:33] could you tell me what that

[54:36] might look like? France

[54:37] connectivity? Would it be

[54:38] under over the freeway or what

[54:43] are looking at for those?

[54:44] >> Sorry, could you? Thank you

[54:45] for the question. Could you

[54:46] clarify? Are you looking at

[54:49] specific think it might be?

[54:50] >> Under the trance and or

[54:51] transportation or there was

[54:54] something that said improved

[54:55] existing highway 101 cross

[54:56] Crossing. So I think it's on

[55:01] slide. Twelves. There's some

[55:02] little arrows going back for

[55:04] us as proposed highway 101

[55:05] crossing. You have a couple

[55:09] different areas.

[55:11] >> All-Star carrying improved

[55:12] existing. So part of the

[55:15] feedback and I mean, driven on

[55:16] Todd Road crossing many times

[55:19] and it's not a very

[55:20] comfortable that will be

[55:23] partnering with City County

[55:23] public works folks to see if

[55:27] there's any sort of traffic

[55:28] design changes or striping and

[55:29] things of that nature. It just

[55:31] kind of identifies that it is

[55:31] existing issue that we'd like

[55:36] to improve. It light for to

[55:40] improve the experience of

[55:40] vertically that rose to the

[55:42] Moreland neighborhood, getting

[55:44] Centers avenue and then moving

[55:45] north, you'll see a proposed.

[55:48] I went to one crossing that

[55:49] first one that Robles that is

[55:50] kind of a contemplated to be

[55:55] just a bike and ped bridge.

[55:56] And then the one North

[55:57] Bellevue is contemplated to be

[56:01] vehicles as well. And as we

[56:01] know from the herd

[56:03] overcrossing things get put on

[56:04] maps are in plans and that

[56:06] takes years and years of cip

[56:08] proposition and fundraising.

[56:09] But this is kind of that

[56:10] planning exercise at this

[56:13] point.

[56:14] >> Great. That's helpful to

[56:15] know. I'm glad you're meeting

[56:17] with the county to remind them

[56:21] that any area that still in

[56:22] county jurisdiction should be

[56:23] having infrastructure done by

[56:25] the county coffers. Before we

[56:27] take over from the city. So I

[56:28] hope you can convey that

[56:29] message in your meetings

[56:33] tomorrow as well. Thank you.

[56:33] Thank you. And the questions

[56:38] from council. Let's open it up

[56:39] to public comment. Then we'll

[56:41] start in council chambers and

[56:42] we have some names in front of

[56:44] If you do want to make public

[56:45] comment, you consider card the

[56:46] back. Otherwise, please be

[56:47] waiting by the podium when

[56:48] it's time speak.

[56:49] >> And if you're online,

[56:51] please raise your hand or dial

[56:52] star 9. Still, we move to

[56:54] online public comment next. We

[56:56] know you have a comment. Let's

[56:59] start with those who submit

[57:01] their cars start with Caitlin

[57:03] and again Linda. Caitlin,

[57:05] Abby. And if you can use both

[57:05] podiums so that we can move

[57:09] through this efficiently. That

[57:10] would be appreciated. And if

[57:12] you do need help with

[57:13] translation, then we will have

[57:15] an extra 2 minutes. It will

[57:17] meet him in a public comment,

[57:18] it's at translator is required

[57:20] provide extra 2 minutes. So,

[57:23] Linda, you have the floor.

[57:25] >> Hello, everybody. It's

[57:26] Lena. For the record have not

[57:27] gone. Tenant organizer with

[57:27] the North Bay Organizing

[57:29] Project in Sonoma County

[57:31] tenants Union last week. Santa

[57:32] Rosa Planning Commission. We

[57:33] had over 35 residents who live

[57:37] in the Santa Rosa plan area.

[57:39] The South Center is a specific

[57:40] plan and brought for their

[57:41] concerns and need for

[57:43] essential anti displacement

[57:45] protections for the mobile

[57:45] home parks and aims of

[57:47] emergency concerns happening

[57:49] right now, residents of

[57:50] Western and cause a mobile

[57:50] home parks are primarily

[57:52] immigrants. Spanish speaking

[57:53] families, veterans, survivors

[57:56] of domestic abuse, single

[57:56] mothers, people living with

[57:57] disabilities and elders living

[58:01] on fixed incomes. Many of the

[58:03] folks who live in these parks

[58:04] experience displacement, not

[58:05] only from the 2008 financial

[58:07] crisis, but also from the 2017

[58:09] wildfires. Folks are enduring

[58:11] pressures not only from

[58:13] possible displacement from the

[58:14] south Rent Santa Rosa,

[58:15] specific area, but also from

[58:16] corporate investor, Harmony

[58:17] Communities who recently

[58:22] bought their parks. Residents

[58:23] have faced an onslaught of

[58:24] intimidation and harassment by

[58:24] harmony, including seven-day

[58:27] notices. The overnight removal

[58:27] of 40 shaved essential shape,

[58:28] providing trees, park

[58:30] maintenance to glatt, it's

[58:32] cetera. You know, harmony is

[58:35] investing right now. Not 5 of

[58:37] the 9 parks that Harmony

[58:38] Communities owns is in Santa

[58:40] Rosa. And 3 of those are in

[58:41] the unincorporated area in the

[58:42] South. Santa Rosa specific

[58:44] plan. If the city and county

[58:45] move forward, we need to see

[58:47] some essential renter

[58:48] protections that includes

[58:49] baseline targets for

[58:51] preserving housing for

[58:55] extremely low and very

[58:56] low-income households,

[58:57] protecting mobile home parks

[58:59] through specific land use

[59:00] designations, stronger, rent,

[59:01] stabilization and safeguards

[59:03] against Park closure. We want

[59:05] to see just cause protections

[59:06] for all renters in Santa Rosa

[59:06] to match or exceed protections

[59:10] in the county. We want to

[59:11] adopt a rent, stabilization

[59:13] and cap of annual rent

[59:16] increases by 3%. You know, we

[59:16] support investment in plant

[59:17] area but want to make sure

[59:18] that the folks who live here

[59:18] can stay rooted here. Thank

[59:19] you so much.

[59:25] >> Thank you, Caitlin. Thank

[59:26] you. And good afternoon, Mayor

[59:28] stop and council members. I'm

[59:28] Kate by housing policy analyst

[59:32] at Legal aid Sonoma County.

[59:32] And today I'm here to urge the

[59:36] city to invest in South Santa

[59:37] Rosa without displacing the

[59:38] low-income working Latino and

[59:39] immigrant families who live in

[59:40] these neighborhoods and called

[59:43] him home median household

[59:44] income. Here is a $60,000.

[59:47] That's a full 35% below the

[59:49] citywide average. And this

[59:50] area which has long deserved

[59:52] access to services to

[59:54] infrastructure and 2 basic

[59:55] amenities. The residents in

[59:59] the rest of Santa Rosa enjoy

[59:59] they deserve to have

[1:00:00] investment that starts with

[1:00:01] protecting housing, stability

[1:00:04] of families who live here.

[1:00:05] This area has 17 mobile home

[1:00:09] parks or 1000 homes in rv's.

[1:00:10] These are some of the last

[1:00:10] naturally occurring,

[1:00:12] affordable housing that we

[1:00:14] have and corporate investors,

[1:00:15] as you've heard, have already

[1:00:16] been acquiring parks in

[1:00:17] anticipation of rising

[1:00:19] property values in the area.

[1:00:22] When a single new affordable

[1:00:26] units of housing cost $500,000

[1:00:27] to develop preserving what we

[1:00:29] have is one of the most cost

[1:00:30] effective tools that the city

[1:00:31] has its disposal to prevent

[1:00:34] displacement and homelessness.

[1:00:36] And the plan zoning should

[1:00:37] reflect the city's actual

[1:00:38] needs. Appreciate the comments

[1:00:40] from some of the council

[1:00:42] members today. City is on pace

[1:00:45] to build only 56% of its very

[1:00:49] low reena targets by 2030.

[1:00:50] Meanwhile, it's on target to

[1:00:51] build 231% of its above

[1:00:54] moderate income housing. And

[1:00:55] we see this in the low

[1:00:56] density, the single-family

[1:00:57] zoning on the east side tied

[1:01:00] to the Todd Creek Development,

[1:01:01] which is rumored to be the

[1:01:02] first project to come forward

[1:01:02] to materialize out of this

[1:01:06] plan. Placement also cares

[1:01:06] environmental consequences. I

[1:01:08] want to highlight that in a

[1:01:09] community that's already

[1:01:10] significantly environmentally

[1:01:13] burdened and has had

[1:01:14] significant health disparities

[1:01:15] from the rest of the city and

[1:01:17] the county. So please

[1:01:18] highlight and to displace the

[1:01:19] measure part of this plan.

[1:01:20] Happy to work with council and

[1:01:21] staff on any of those specific

[1:01:24] policies. Thank you. Thank

[1:01:26] you. Calyn over at me. And

[1:01:27] then Norman Marina, an Angel.

[1:01:28] Abby will start with you in

[1:01:30] the norm or in an angel.

[1:01:31] >> Have had. Thank you so

[1:01:33] much. Good afternoon, mayor

[1:01:34] and council members. I'm

[1:01:35] representing Santa Rosa Yimby

[1:01:38] an all volunteer organization

[1:01:41] of over 500 Santa Rosa

[1:01:43] residents dedicated to

[1:01:44] building Santa Rosa into an

[1:01:45] affordable, vibrant and

[1:01:48] low-carbon city. We're pleased

[1:01:49] that the proposed alternative

[1:01:50] addresses are top priorities

[1:01:52] for Santa Rosa. One of which

[1:01:54] is concentrating housing

[1:01:57] density near downtown,

[1:01:58] improving connections between

[1:02:03] East and West and recognizing

[1:02:04] the need for multi-modal

[1:02:05] corridor improvements along

[1:02:08] Santa Rosa Avenue.

[1:02:11] >> We encourage you to propose

[1:02:12] some additions.

[1:02:15] >> To the plan, which include

[1:02:17] increasing the density near

[1:02:21] the Eastern Urban wildlife

[1:02:21] interface to generate the

[1:02:23] revenues that will be needed

[1:02:25] to offset the new roads,

[1:02:29] utilities and vegetation

[1:02:31] maintenance that the new

[1:02:33] development will require in

[1:02:37] our proposed low density is

[1:02:39] not adequate to pay for the

[1:02:39] costs of maintaining the

[1:02:41] necessary public

[1:02:43] infrastructure. Secondly, in

[1:02:43] order to maintain the

[1:02:46] affordability of the Moreland

[1:02:47] neighborhood, encourage

[1:02:48] increased housing supply in

[1:02:51] that neighborhood. Offering

[1:02:52] additional housing

[1:02:53] opportunities will help keep

[1:02:55] the cost of housing at an

[1:02:58] affordable level. And 3rd to

[1:02:58] retain the possibility of a

[1:03:02] future smart station in the

[1:03:05] South area that will serve the

[1:03:06] proposed cluster of industry,

[1:03:10] housing and retail as we in

[1:03:10] the future decreased

[1:03:13] dependency on cars. Thanks so

[1:03:16] much, MISS Arnold. Thank you.

[1:03:16] Norm a marina and then angel

[1:03:17] and use both podiums. Please.

[1:03:23] >> Normal.

[1:03:24] >> Hi. My name is Norma

[1:03:24] Fernandez. And I lived in was

[1:03:28] to mobile home park for 15

[1:03:28] years. I live in one of the

[1:03:31] mobile home parks. They're 17.

[1:03:33] And if I'm not wrong and I

[1:03:36] just come to ask him plea that

[1:03:38] we would not be removed. We

[1:03:38] know you're building. We know

[1:03:41] it looks beautiful rcd. If it

[1:03:44] looks nice and clean, we're

[1:03:45] part of harmony are many. We

[1:03:47] have no management. We have no

[1:03:50] one to look after us. We're

[1:03:53] just the bandit I buy by the

[1:03:53] freeway at an apartment or

[1:03:57] space number. 64 and I have no

[1:03:59] lightning. I've been asked and

[1:04:01] rejected my petition if I

[1:04:02] don't like it, I can be

[1:04:05] removed. We have the big board

[1:04:06] that, of course, they're going

[1:04:07] develop new apartments. They

[1:04:09] could make more money. I am a

[1:04:12] widow. I have my grandkids. My

[1:04:14] son and myself leaving that we

[1:04:16] all live in different mobile

[1:04:18] homes. We try to keep it clean

[1:04:20] ourselves. We think we deserve

[1:04:23] a little sharing a little

[1:04:25] respect were all together here

[1:04:26] and we appreciate each and

[1:04:29] every one here.

[1:04:30] >> That is taking a little a

[1:04:31] little easier on and say

[1:04:33] hello, we're not alone when

[1:04:34] that, but that home before my

[1:04:35] husband passed away, I was

[1:04:37] excited to get it. Now I'm

[1:04:39] afraid now. I can speak out if

[1:04:40] I don't have a light mean

[1:04:42] outside and I'm in the dark

[1:04:43] spot. Well, that's ok, because

[1:04:46] if you complain you're out, if

[1:04:47] you don't like it, you can

[1:04:49] afford a new warehouse. I know

[1:04:51] I cannot. That's why I'm

[1:04:53] there. I appreciate having a

[1:04:54] home, but I do not appreciate

[1:04:58] being left alone. When I see

[1:05:00] the streets, developing a lot

[1:05:02] new mobile homes in apartments

[1:05:04] and it looks gorgeous. I want

[1:05:05] to look like that too. I want

[1:05:08] to have a house like that.

[1:05:09] >> how we're going to do it if

[1:05:10] we cannot even keep our little

[1:05:13] mobile home safe. We all fear

[1:05:14] we are all talking about it.

[1:05:15] And I appreciate your time and

[1:05:18] please make sure we have

[1:05:19] enough to get inside our

[1:05:20] parking spot. We do not have

[1:05:22] ability to get in there. If

[1:05:24] somebody goes to mobile home

[1:05:26] Parks, thank you. Appreciate

[1:05:27] it.

[1:05:28] >> Thank you. Ms Fernandez,

[1:05:29] Marina Angel and then Alex

[1:05:36] Marina.

[1:05:37] >> And when a start of a new

[1:05:39] Levy man, up to the U.S. Will

[1:05:41] be kept in the side. You

[1:05:42] living in those top goal, you

[1:05:43] not been normal. This blast.

[1:05:44] And then Reebok is Maureen is

[1:05:46] momentum. Marino siento I we

[1:05:47] get the instructions.

[1:05:50] >> Thank you, Mayor.

[1:05:51] >> Let me bring one of the

[1:05:55] interpreters back over.

[1:05:57] >> Claudia or low shot lotion.

[1:05:58] Am I bringing you back to

[1:05:58] English side? If so, please

[1:06:16] raise your hand. Ok, low show.

[1:06:17] >> We have snow on the side of

[1:06:21] the is.

[1:06:22] >> Okay on those this blessing

[1:06:23] and you don't really think

[1:06:27] that one. You normally Miami

[1:06:30] this something was Bacchus,

[1:06:30] get in on those who want a lot

[1:06:35] rain that. In honor of this

[1:06:36] getting mean in your normal.

[1:06:43] So Thi You give them put them

[1:06:43] on the open sea on unless

[1:06:44] Kaczynski Senate see them put

[1:06:46] in that now on the d a isn't

[1:06:50] this asked that animals see

[1:06:51] Yeah. You have a one just

[1:06:53] based on a silent best game.

[1:06:53] Which of this in on those pull

[1:07:00] them of this. I at ease. Nice

[1:07:01] to see them I knew that. But

[1:07:02] again, no known women then was

[1:07:05] the little storm was just so

[1:07:06] that the name was they did

[1:07:06] join with pro that you so

[1:07:12] violent reign fact, I knew

[1:07:12] then that can North Beth in

[1:07:13] ways that eventually they be

[1:07:14] in that.

[1:07:17] >> Casing at that moment do,

[1:07:20] ok, we would like to have r.

[1:07:23] Rent to fair and we would

[1:07:27] also. Like to not be

[1:07:29] discriminated against or

[1:07:31] harassed. We would like to be

[1:07:32] paid attention to the things

[1:07:36] that we need. We don't want to

[1:07:36] be denied.

[1:07:37] >> And we also want to keep

[1:07:40] our home. We are older adults

[1:07:41] and we have hard time

[1:07:41] functioning and moving around

[1:07:46] and we cannot move so fast and

[1:07:48] we want them to respect us and

[1:07:49] not raise our rent. So end up

[1:07:52] with a look at. We have the

[1:07:52] need to get the in Festus

[1:07:53] Court. This about You just put

[1:07:54] up with it. Think they want to

[1:07:55] in place to get used advocate

[1:07:58] eating, to put this u n okay,

[1:08:05] put Guess going lie.

[1:08:06] >> invisible. Kevin wasn't

[1:08:06] just based on island. That's

[1:08:07] I. Yeah. I mean, you something

[1:08:12] in me. Wilson was thrown

[1:08:13] that's what news is. The give

[1:08:13] most apoyen knocking on the of

[1:08:14] I and others because it

[1:08:15] normally and that's where we

[1:08:16] let me in fact, it in this

[1:08:17] that most. We'll see you on

[1:08:20] the ballot is give on.

[1:08:24] >> So we you guys. We would

[1:08:27] like you guys to please stop

[1:08:28] harassing us. When you go over

[1:08:29] there did not raise our rent.

[1:08:30] We are older adults. We need

[1:08:32] help. We also have children

[1:08:33] there and we don't want to

[1:08:40] move. Thank you.

[1:08:43] >> And Marina, thank you for

[1:08:45] coming across the U.S.. We

[1:08:52] want to see Angel Alex

[1:08:53] >> We'll be sharing his

[1:08:53] comments in Spanish and has

[1:08:54] asked that. I interpret for

[1:08:58] him. Thank you very much.

[1:08:59] >> We went that but I you

[1:09:00] know, I'm going a part of the

[1:09:02] deal.

[1:09:03] >> So afternoon, everyone, my

[1:09:04] name is on But the

[1:09:06] >> So you in this way

[1:09:08] >> I'm from in Atlanta.

[1:09:09] >> They will quote that knew

[1:09:11] even then that. But okay.

[1:09:11] >> I have 4 years living in

[1:09:14] Western Mobile home park.

[1:09:15] >> So you'd be deemed this a

[1:09:20] companion capital owner.

[1:09:20] Mothers go missing Comaneci

[1:09:21] Thelma, Guinea and the singer

[1:09:23] and the utility.

[1:09:24] >> You know, I am a recent

[1:09:26] victim of the company, Harmony

[1:09:27] Communities about 4 months ago

[1:09:29] they started charging me rent

[1:09:32] and I have lost 1001 those

[1:09:35] under anatomy and doesn't want

[1:09:36] you $1500 paying extra for the

[1:09:39] rent. They're charging me.

[1:09:39] >> But I will say this. You

[1:09:41] indulge in the

[1:09:43] >> I used to pay $780 for

[1:09:44] MySpace rent.

[1:09:46] >> In moment that on their

[1:09:50] o'Malley's, any main call, you

[1:09:51] settles yet meant that on the

[1:09:53] inside most elite. My.

[1:09:54] >> And they just they increase

[1:09:56] it to a is that, you know, is

[1:09:58] in Spanish, Mexican Spanish

[1:09:59] that I can't even say. But

[1:10:00] from one day to the next they

[1:10:01] increased it.

[1:10:02] >> Only double by wind

[1:10:03] overnight. Yeah, man,

[1:10:07] Sacramento.

[1:10:11] >> I called Sacramento up.

[1:10:12] >> Macomb against Sacramento

[1:10:13] Judge will come at the end.

[1:10:14] Can double the U.S. Have We'll

[1:10:16] get several not gone by in

[1:10:19] Wailua. Casey Kenney a and

[1:10:20] give me the lesson for love

[1:10:21] it. But there's also report

[1:10:22] that.

[1:10:24] >> So I called the company I

[1:10:26] called Harmony Communities.

[1:10:26] And when they told me what

[1:10:27] their response actually was,

[1:10:28] it was said that we could find

[1:10:29] another place to live. That

[1:10:31] was the response that they

[1:10:31] gave me.

[1:10:33] >> important key will come But

[1:10:36] I was today in Milan.

[1:10:37] >> And I came here looking for

[1:10:37] support, hoping that you can

[1:10:39] give that to us. And to me.

[1:10:41] >> When I thought that, but I

[1:10:42] >> Very good afternoon to

[1:10:48] everybody.

[1:10:49] >> Prices per report, senior

[1:10:50] Next. We'll go to Alex tough

[1:10:57] Ina and then Dwane think Alex.

[1:10:58] >> Mayor and council members,

[1:11:01] thank you for leading. Letting

[1:11:02] Alex, from the latest in a

[1:11:04] county. I'm here to share a

[1:11:06] statement from the resident of

[1:11:06] West. Plus, that was not able

[1:11:10] to make it today. So bear with

[1:11:12] me as I read both in Spanish

[1:11:14] and English, you know, but can

[1:11:15] stay in a Houston neighborhood

[1:11:18] West. Plus, everything you

[1:11:19] need those. Gun and bless it.

[1:11:20] And center the U.S. On news.

[1:11:21] My name is Christina. I'm a

[1:11:24] member of West. The senior

[1:11:25] Sunni. Those.

[1:11:28] >> And I have been a member

[1:11:35] >> resident of plus for 10

[1:11:36] years, the moon those said the

[1:11:37] buck somewhere. Is the idea

[1:11:41] banks somewhat annoying. He is

[1:11:41] the out in media. Me from list

[1:11:42] that you that, you know,

[1:11:46] personally that the I live in

[1:11:49] one of the 17 parks that

[1:11:50] mobile home parks in the area

[1:11:52] that of the plan that we're

[1:11:53] talking today. And this park

[1:11:54] has brought me the ability to

[1:11:56] have stability with my family.

[1:11:57] And I and the ability to live

[1:12:01] in Sonoma County. Because of

[1:12:03] the that is the condo we had

[1:12:04] make media. And with just one

[1:12:07] us as he visited bad local me

[1:12:08] that that's part of business.

[1:12:12] It The cost of living here in

[1:12:13] county is very expensive and

[1:12:14] it's very hard for many

[1:12:17] families like mine to afford

[1:12:17] food, transportation and many

[1:12:22] unnecessary costs. Does the

[1:12:24] high season got to do that by

[1:12:26] the King? Let me Saints w that

[1:12:30] I went to a that continue that

[1:12:30] investment which is in the

[1:12:31] South. There is a center

[1:12:36] squatters centers on that is

[1:12:37] yeah, out of it as close as

[1:12:39] model is that by the cake. So

[1:12:39] but think I knew it was nose

[1:12:42] down. Ever since army charge

[1:12:46] of this park.

[1:12:46] >> The.

[1:12:48] >> The threat of instability

[1:12:49] for us as a park has become a

[1:12:53] reality for every day.

[1:12:54] Residents, many of our rents

[1:12:58] have been raise $2030400. They

[1:12:59] have taken away amenities of

[1:13:00] the park, including trees that

[1:13:02] been there for 30 years and to

[1:13:07] provide us shade this. Is it

[1:13:11] the most? Maybe a significant

[1:13:11] is that pretty soon. Let us

[1:13:12] cause more delays in getting

[1:13:14] those Santas that Kaepernick,

[1:13:15] what lenders said, are going

[1:13:20] listen to We need significant

[1:13:21] protections.

[1:13:22] >> For our community and our

[1:13:23] mobile homes before any plan

[1:13:24] is approved for south of Santa

[1:13:27] Rosa.

[1:13:27] >> No vending. That's the

[1:13:31] company that I and that could

[1:13:32] get out of the sense that

[1:13:34] united don't sell our

[1:13:35] communities and our

[1:13:36] neighborhoods just for people

[1:13:36] that want to enrich

[1:13:42] themselves. Working with was

[1:13:45] on the if know anyone missing

[1:13:46] that you can only We don't

[1:13:48] have anywhere to go. There's

[1:13:49] no affordable neighborhoods to

[1:13:56] go to in this county. This

[1:13:57] assume to wouldn't can do to

[1:13:59] spend get on those in a way

[1:14:00] and throws more one in for

[1:14:01] descendants. But I can on

[1:14:06] those But I and in the seek an

[1:14:09] honest I was given a subtle

[1:14:10] about it. This is an urgent

[1:14:12] matter and I'm asking the

[1:14:13] county of Sonoma and the city

[1:14:16] of Santa Rosa to put on

[1:14:17] protection. So we don't have

[1:14:21] to leave our community. It's

[1:14:21] been a look at them want them

[1:14:25] used make the Simon you the

[1:14:26] gag I hope you take into

[1:14:28] account my to my statement in

[1:14:29] my testimony and that we find

[1:14:32] a solution. Thank you.

[1:14:33] >> Thank you, Alex Delfina.

[1:14:38] And then wane Delfina.

[1:14:43] >> actually don't My

[1:14:44] apologies. Good afternoon.

[1:14:46] Hearing Council members. Thank

[1:14:49] you for allowing me to speak

[1:14:50] today. My name is enough

[1:14:51] Loriano. I'm a caseworker at

[1:14:54] legal aid of Sonoma County. I

[1:14:55] will be sharing a common will

[1:14:55] be in Spanish. So if and that

[1:14:59] the translator could be ready.

[1:15:00] And from tenant, I have one of

[1:15:03] the local parks.

[1:15:04] >> Yes, I'm ready. Please go

[1:15:05] ahead. And if you could please

[1:15:07] speak in short sentences.

[1:15:08] Appreciate it. Thank you so

[1:15:10] much. Okay. Now he's.

[1:15:11] >> My name is or what I am a

[1:15:15] leader at Western Plaza United

[1:15:21] Neighbors. The one in the

[1:15:22] state openness and revealing a

[1:15:26] bucket put we to say sign us.

[1:15:27] >> I live in district 3 in

[1:15:28] been living in the park for 22

[1:15:33] years.

[1:15:33] >> I am a citizen just like

[1:15:35] any other person. And I am

[1:15:35] asking for respect and

[1:15:40] dignity. Because I've been

[1:15:40] living here and pain for

[1:15:46] friend. And it is my right to

[1:15:46] be able to have some were

[1:15:47] comfortable and stability

[1:15:54] where I'm living. Does it can

[1:15:56] harm an isis ocado their lives

[1:15:58] doing that. But it on this

[1:15:59] place on the and those commit

[1:16:00] not believe that the on the as

[1:16:01] those important that. But I

[1:16:06] mean,

[1:16:07] >> ever since harmony to place

[1:16:08] of the management of the car

[1:16:12] of the park. The reality of

[1:16:14] being removed from my home has

[1:16:20] been a daily reminder for me.

[1:16:21] >> Lucas to pass on coming up

[1:16:23] us on as as the temple people

[1:16:27] going into it. He died emv

[1:16:28] medal got bet on total

[1:16:29] sidewall is on we will. And so

[1:16:32] lieu of that just personas

[1:16:34] units to income of those. What

[1:16:38] body with the Bulls. Yemeni,

[1:16:39] though, the let the system,

[1:16:45] which was scene in bucket.

[1:16:49] >> So what has been happening

[1:16:50] is that lately is been that

[1:16:51] they have been.

[1:16:52] >> Could up?

[1:16:55] >> All of the

[1:16:59] >> trees where I live. And I

[1:17:02] feel like this is creating a

[1:17:06] lot of Tom is security for me.

[1:17:07] And second of all, a lot of

[1:17:08] people are leaving because

[1:17:12] they are depressed.

[1:17:13] >> They are just leaving

[1:17:14] because their very sad with

[1:17:19] what's going on.

[1:17:19] >> As this event, solely

[1:17:22] Moses, but those cement, the

[1:17:23] appear to be. So does that

[1:17:26] include another? The Sonoma

[1:17:26] that I have, but a solution

[1:17:28] that is the problem. Not so

[1:17:31] busy on a city on.

[1:17:34] >> Okay. And this is urgent

[1:17:38] and what we want this to

[1:17:39] >> County board of directors

[1:17:43] to do is do the which we are

[1:17:46] requesting.

[1:17:49] >> Number what in many the so

[1:17:50] see But because the cause

[1:17:52] moving this. But every and

[1:17:53] this place me this was

[1:17:54] incident,

[1:17:57] >> We would like some kind of

[1:18:02] a norm to say that we cannot

[1:18:04] be removed from our home, be

[1:18:06] displaced from it for the

[1:18:11] residents.

[1:18:12] >> Therefore, without loading

[1:18:14] onto sublease they're looking

[1:18:15] at is but in the dome and

[1:18:16] those how was he was thinking

[1:18:19] at

[1:18:21] >> To reinforce the rental

[1:18:23] ordinance so that we can avoid

[1:18:28] to abusive rent, increase.

[1:18:29] >> Could add incentive because

[1:18:30] you're in a specific put the

[1:18:33] down, put on those. But is

[1:18:35] U.S. Has movie listened and

[1:18:35] the law, annoying could put

[1:18:38] American, though the Sonoma

[1:18:39] going be in that. They had, I

[1:18:41] was the most you on the be in

[1:18:41] the even though they time and

[1:18:45] economy ca.

[1:18:46] >> And for there to be some

[1:18:48] kind of a Sony ordinance

[1:18:54] place. 2 protect people in the

[1:18:55] mobile home parks in the

[1:18:56] unincorporated areas of Sonoma

[1:18:58] County.

[1:19:00] >> Thank you. Do for you now,

[1:19:12] MR. MR. Do 2 minutes to

[1:19:12] >> Hello, my name is Dwayne

[1:19:13] DeWitt on from Rose. And I'd

[1:19:16] like for you, folks too, Kim

[1:19:17] possible direction to the

[1:19:18] staff to go back to the

[1:19:20] community. The preferred draft

[1:19:22] is not something that many in

[1:19:23] the community are supportive

[1:19:25] of. As you can see by the

[1:19:28] attendance tonight, there are

[1:19:29] many folks who've come here

[1:19:30] and didn't understand exactly

[1:19:31] how this preferred alternative

[1:19:35] has been coming forward. I

[1:19:36] have attended meetings of this

[1:19:38] South Sanford, Santa Rosa,

[1:19:41] specific plan. And felt it was

[1:19:42] perform It was like a

[1:19:44] presentation that wasn't

[1:19:45] really interested in what the

[1:19:47] community wanted to say. It's

[1:19:49] a matter of fact. I wasn't

[1:19:50] invited back and I understand

[1:19:51] that from the city's

[1:19:53] perspective because they don't

[1:19:53] want to hear something that's

[1:19:54] different than the way they're

[1:19:56] going to do it. But if you

[1:19:59] saying that this is a

[1:20:01] community vision you need to

[1:20:02] have with the community wants

[1:20:03] to say and have the community

[1:20:06] bring forward their desired

[1:20:08] preferred alternative, not

[1:20:10] staffs. So this is one of the

[1:20:10] dilemmas we face here at the

[1:20:12] city of Santa Rosa. It's about

[1:20:15] planning with the community,

[1:20:17] not what you're going to do to

[1:20:18] them. But what you might do

[1:20:22] with them for them. Those are

[1:20:23] distinct alternatives which do

[1:20:25] not happen here very often.

[1:20:27] It's a matter of fact. The

[1:20:28] city staff directs you and how

[1:20:30] they're going to take things.

[1:20:31] And then you give it a little

[1:20:34] chance. A little area here.

[1:20:35] You know what? We call it. You

[1:20:37] do the happy talk and you blow

[1:20:38] sunshine up our tailpipes and

[1:20:38] say, oh, yeah, this is going

[1:20:41] to get good. It's a matter of

[1:20:41] fact. This is not happen and

[1:20:44] good for us, especially for

[1:20:46] extra housing in the places

[1:20:47] where it's needed. I don't

[1:20:49] know any of these folks here.

[1:20:51] So they listen me to come down

[1:20:54] here. I'm down here because I

[1:20:55] know Roseann gets mistreated

[1:20:55] South Santa Rosa. Marlins

[1:20:58] going to get mistreated and

[1:20:59] you don't even have the money

[1:21:01] to take care of City Hall. Let

[1:21:02] alone a whole big section of

[1:21:04] Saint Rose Avenue as you go

[1:21:06] forward. So please back to the

[1:21:07] drawing board a couple more

[1:21:08] meetings. It won't make much

[1:21:09] difference. But at least it'll

[1:21:10] make us feel like you might

[1:21:14] have listened. Thank you.

[1:21:15] >> Thank you, MR. DeWitt. Is

[1:21:16] there anybody else in council

[1:21:17] chambers who wishes to speak?

[1:21:19] I see one person at the

[1:21:19] microphone. If you do is to

[1:21:20] speak, please be making your

[1:21:21] way towards one of the

[1:21:26] podiums. Go ahead.

[1:21:27] >> My name's in the blank. I'm

[1:21:27] interpreting for that aside.

[1:21:28] Neighbor at Western Mobile

[1:21:33] home park.

[1:21:34] >> Witness, that is me numbers

[1:21:35] that is sent even won an idea

[1:21:38] that I've been, you know, some

[1:21:39] federal, men go to prison

[1:21:40] Jaime Diaz about gizmo, mobile

[1:21:44] home. Was there.

[1:21:45] >> Good afternoon to everyone.

[1:21:48] My name is that and I live on

[1:21:49] Santa Rosa Avenue and icon

[1:21:50] representing the families of

[1:21:54] Western Mobile home Park.

[1:21:56] >> It's almost like switch on

[1:21:58] I was little boys, this most

[1:21:59] both which end with the Vols

[1:22:01] to see more news.

[1:22:03] >> We are here listening to

[1:22:05] these new proposals and we

[1:22:06] asking where pleading with you

[1:22:10] that you hear our testimonies.

[1:22:11] >> It's some of us on the

[1:22:13] board, a body of conflict, the

[1:22:14] skin, most and least one

[1:22:14] thought. You've got that. This

[1:22:17] is an in built on.

[1:22:19] >> We have been experiencing

[1:22:19] several conflicts that have

[1:22:23] result that have the have not

[1:22:24] been resolved and every day

[1:22:25] things are getting worse for

[1:22:29] us.

[1:22:32] >> It's the most being means

[1:22:32] this enough family for me to

[1:22:33] put by those, you know, timing

[1:22:34] was good. Look us that give up

[1:22:38] a set.

[1:22:39] >> I'm seeing my own family

[1:22:40] worried and my neighbors and

[1:22:41] we don't quite know what's

[1:22:45] going to happen next.

[1:22:46] >> I went to a family of Qasem

[1:22:47] a chill in all of con of the

[1:22:51] fee can sent a

[1:22:52] >> We're seeing so many

[1:22:53] changes in our park and

[1:22:53] harmony does not let us know

[1:23:00] what these changes are.

[1:23:01] >> Have money. So don't look

[1:23:01] on local most important number

[1:23:02] 8, but also to know the name

[1:23:03] listening or not points that I

[1:23:06] just but I want this.

[1:23:07] >> They don't they don't

[1:23:10] notify us of the changes and

[1:23:12] harmony. We don't know who

[1:23:14] they are and then they don't

[1:23:16] respond to. Our questions are

[1:23:22] worries. And we have

[1:23:24] >> bus and I get w let's buy

[1:23:27] tickets. But and need

[1:23:29] >> We already experienced 3

[1:23:32] managers overseeing our park.

[1:23:33] But those people have left

[1:23:37] already.

[1:23:38] >> Well, the most of got to

[1:23:39] northamptonshire non. They'll

[1:23:41] be in.

[1:23:42] >> We can really see that

[1:23:43] something is not working well

[1:23:47] here. It's something first

[1:23:48] one. And then Monday

[1:23:49] Ninamandell seem and I get in

[1:23:51] which program must months.

[1:23:55] >> You know, without a manager

[1:23:56] there so we are without

[1:23:58] manager or anybody. The care

[1:23:59] of the management of the park.

[1:24:00] We are seeing a lot of

[1:24:01] problems happening in the

[1:24:05] park.

[1:24:06] >> Putin momentum by the most

[1:24:06] to him. Any one. Guinness

[1:24:09] coach and a struggle says.

[1:24:11] >> So now we are asking about

[1:24:11] harmony or somebody really

[1:24:16] listen to our voices.

[1:24:17] >> Forget the name that.

[1:24:18] Unfair the most predicts him.

[1:24:18] But I was just I mean, yes,

[1:24:20] good ss. Because we have a

[1:24:23] right to a roof. And we are

[1:24:26] asking protection for our

[1:24:27] family and we are fighting for

[1:24:28] our homes. Thank you for your

[1:24:30] attention.

[1:24:31] >> Thank you. Reena and

[1:24:36] Theresa Fred.

[1:24:36] >> Good afternoon. Members of

[1:24:37] the City Council. My name is

[1:24:39] Fred, all about come. The

[1:24:41] co-chair of the Santa Rosa,

[1:24:42] Sonoma County, naacp Housing

[1:24:45] Committee. And we didn't quite

[1:24:46] get our letter out in time,

[1:24:47] but I'm going quote a couple

[1:24:53] points from the letter the 2

[1:24:56] census tracks in this South

[1:24:57] Center of the speed. Specific

[1:25:01] plan are 4, 5%, black. Sonoma

[1:25:02] County and Santa Rosa are much

[1:25:04] less than that of the Bay area

[1:25:10] percent of black and 6%. The

[1:25:11] concentration of black

[1:25:13] residents in the plan, areas

[1:25:15] of significant and warns

[1:25:16] deliberate intention to

[1:25:17] preserving community housing,

[1:25:23] stability and opportunity. So

[1:25:25] Santa Rosa specific plan

[1:25:26] represent an extraordinary

[1:25:28] opportunity to demonstrate

[1:25:30] what equitable equitable

[1:25:31] development can look like. One

[1:25:31] community's most vulnerable to

[1:25:33] displacement are considered

[1:25:34] before and not after major

[1:25:39] investment. Cursed my switch

[1:25:40] hats and on some from my own

[1:25:47] letter here that on page, 29

[1:25:48] of and the displacement

[1:25:50] strategy. There's a lot of

[1:25:51] options and ordinances

[1:25:54] presented by staff. And

[1:25:54] there's also been quite a few

[1:25:55] presented by members of the

[1:25:57] public. I would suggest then

[1:26:00] in the program and policy

[1:26:01] development study, which by

[1:26:02] the way, was not listed. And

[1:26:03] one of the next steps of

[1:26:05] what's coming next. I found

[1:26:09] that so interesting. Staff

[1:26:12] could could put grid to show

[1:26:14] all these things and the

[1:26:15] public's ideas to and what

[1:26:16] they would cost, who they're

[1:26:17] going to benefit. And a couple

[1:26:21] of. Things here is I live in a

[1:26:23] mobile home park. I wonder

[1:26:24] when our park is going to be

[1:26:26] next. I don't think preserving

[1:26:28] land use designation isn't a

[1:26:29] few needed closure in

[1:26:30] conversion ordinance update

[1:26:31] and strengthening and rent

[1:26:35] stabilization, strengthening.

[1:26:36] Plan a little more balance

[1:26:38] with the socioeconomic pieces.

[1:26:41] >> Thank you, Fred.

[1:26:42] >> Are there others in council

[1:26:47] chambers who wish to speak?

[1:26:48] Seeing no one making their way

[1:26:51] to the podium. Let's go

[1:26:52] online. If you are online, if

[1:26:54] you could raise your hand or

[1:26:55] press star, resume host, we'll

[1:26:56] we'll call on You. MADAM Zoo

[1:26:57] host. We have any hands

[1:26:59] raised.

[1:27:00] >> And seeing no hands raised

[1:27:04] zoom.

[1:27:05] >> Thank you. To close public

[1:27:07] comment thank you to everybody

[1:27:08] who came out today and made

[1:27:09] and made those point made

[1:27:12] those impassioned pleas to

[1:27:13] bring back to council for

[1:27:15] comments final direction.

[1:27:16] >> Any thoughts from our

[1:27:22] group? Question is from

[1:27:24] >> thank to all the public

[1:27:25] members of the public who came

[1:27:25] out to speak and share

[1:27:27] concerns of the U.S.. I'm just

[1:27:32] wondering if staff could

[1:27:34] clarify the concerns around

[1:27:35] the public's comments around

[1:27:40] harmony in the management with

[1:27:40] the matter before us as

[1:27:41] understand the concerns of the

[1:27:44] members of the public around

[1:27:47] the management company. But

[1:27:49] unclear how that ties into the

[1:27:53] issue of the rezoning. The

[1:27:57] excuse me, the planned change.

[1:27:59] >> Thank you for that

[1:28:00] question. So, yeah, so what

[1:28:02] we're focused on here is land

[1:28:04] use policy that will

[1:28:06] ultimately result in potential

[1:28:07] zoning regulations, both in

[1:28:10] the city and the county. You

[1:28:11] know, the the the issues with

[1:28:12] harmony that is with a

[1:28:16] particular property owner, you

[1:28:16] know, certainly we are

[1:28:17] definitely hearing the

[1:28:21] concerns raised by the

[1:28:22] residents of those areas. We

[1:28:25] have been conversation with

[1:28:28] our housing division as Ms

[1:28:29] Nicholson mentioned earlier,

[1:28:30] we're going to be working with

[1:28:32] the county cdc on, you know,

[1:28:36] how we can help from a policy

[1:28:38] perspective. But in a in

[1:28:38] particular, with the residents

[1:28:41] that are here today, they are

[1:28:42] from a park that is located

[1:28:43] within the county

[1:28:45] jurisdiction. So there's not

[1:28:48] at this point a lot that the

[1:28:49] city can do from our

[1:28:52] perspective to assist, but

[1:28:52] certainly in a going continue

[1:28:56] those conversations with the

[1:28:58] county. Okay. So the residents

[1:29:01] who are here today live in the

[1:29:02] park that

[1:29:05] >> management harmony. Our

[1:29:06] county residents. And

[1:29:07] unfortunately the city does

[1:29:09] have resources for residents

[1:29:10] who live in parks within the

[1:29:14] city limits. But those are not

[1:29:14] available to county residents.

[1:29:15] Is that is that right? I

[1:29:18] believe that is correct. We

[1:29:22] have our Yeah.

[1:29:23] >> I'm just just helping. So

[1:29:24] it would. But I'm just trying

[1:29:27] to assist our are listening

[1:29:27] public.

[1:29:28] >> Would it make sense for

[1:29:29] those folks who are in that

[1:29:31] situation in contact? The

[1:29:34] county housing department?

[1:29:35] Thank you for the question.

[1:29:36] Megan passenger, director of

[1:29:39] Housing Community Services. So

[1:29:40] yes, the city does have

[1:29:41] resources available regarding

[1:29:43] the mobile home rent

[1:29:44] stabilization ordinance that

[1:29:46] we provide to parks. Residents

[1:29:47] within the city limits. The

[1:29:49] county has similar services

[1:29:49] available.

[1:29:50] >> Through the Community

[1:29:51] Development Commission, so

[1:29:54] residents of parks in the

[1:29:54] county jurisdiction should

[1:29:58] reach out to the county cdc

[1:29:59] for questions and guidance on

[1:30:00] how they work through the

[1:30:01] rent, Stabilization Ordinance,

[1:30:03] which is very similar to the

[1:30:05] cities and any concerns they

[1:30:07] have regarding park. And is

[1:30:08] that something that's of the

[1:30:10] folks here today could ask you

[1:30:11] for that contact or or the

[1:30:12] website yesterday to meet with

[1:30:15] them at the conclusion of

[1:30:15] item.

[1:30:18] >> Thank The other question I

[1:30:22] had was around gentrification.

[1:30:23] That's that's the sound.

[1:30:24] Something that's more within

[1:30:24] the purview of the matter

[1:30:25] before us. And I'm just

[1:30:28] curious to know what measures

[1:30:30] it will be taking around

[1:30:31] preservation and protection as

[1:30:31] we move forward. And if you

[1:30:34] could just review those and

[1:30:35] see if we can satisfy some of

[1:30:36] the concerns of our of our

[1:30:36] members of the public here

[1:30:44] today. Thank you for the

[1:30:49] question.

[1:30:51] >> I think focuses on a lot of

[1:30:53] that. The comments that we've

[1:30:55] heard today on specific

[1:30:56] measures related to

[1:31:00] preservation the affordable

[1:31:01] housing anti displacement

[1:31:03] strategy, which was done

[1:31:03] specifically for this area,

[1:31:05] was also referenced, but at

[1:31:06] least one public comment or

[1:31:10] that does include pretty

[1:31:11] diverse mix of ways to protect

[1:31:14] residents and preserve either

[1:31:15] deed restricted or just

[1:31:16] naturally occurring,

[1:31:17] affordable housing.

[1:31:22] >> So we will be continuing to

[1:31:23] kind of flush these out as

[1:31:25] they apply to the issues that

[1:31:26] we're hearing in concert with

[1:31:29] county staff and then bring

[1:31:29] those specific items for

[1:31:33] council to review it this fall

[1:31:36] has options to integrate into

[1:31:37] the specific plan answer your

[1:31:37] question that that does thank

[1:31:41] you for your health.

[1:31:42] >> Thank you for those

[1:31:42] clarifications. Other comments

[1:31:48] from council. MRS. And the

[1:31:51] most respectful manner that

[1:31:55] >> Nov. I would hope I believe

[1:31:57] that I do have the support of

[1:32:02] my colleagues to invite our

[1:32:03] regional partners and at the

[1:32:06] lectern level 2 continue the

[1:32:06] conversation. How we come

[1:32:11] together. Provide the median

[1:32:12] housing in the most effective

[1:32:14] and efficient manner possible.

[1:32:14] And I'm grateful that our

[1:32:17] staff. Are having that

[1:32:20] conversation. But again, I do

[1:32:21] invite our regional partners

[1:32:22] to join us and having that

[1:32:26] conversation as well. Thank

[1:32:31] you. Spend

[1:32:32] >> And along the lines of

[1:32:35] Councilmember Alvarez was just

[1:32:37] saying. I appreciate that. I

[1:32:38] see you reading copious notes.

[1:32:39] I appreciate that. You are

[1:32:40] listening to what the public

[1:32:44] is saying it is true that many

[1:32:45] of these parks are in the

[1:32:46] county, but they're also part

[1:32:49] of the

[1:32:50] >> And there are parks that

[1:32:52] are in the city, not as many

[1:32:57] in this particular plan, but

[1:32:58] just to say we have many parks

[1:32:58] throughout the city of Santa

[1:32:59] Rosa. So so with thinking

[1:33:03] about that, I I do agree with

[1:33:04] some of the things that some

[1:33:04] of the speakers were sent and

[1:33:07] that is that we before we move

[1:33:08] forward, we need to figure out

[1:33:10] how we make sure that.

[1:33:12] >> Displacement doesn't

[1:33:15] happen. Whether know whether

[1:33:16] you live in mobile home Park

[1:33:17] rv Park.

[1:33:20] >> Oran in an apartment

[1:33:21] building.

[1:33:21] >> I think that's something

[1:33:22] that we need to look at. I

[1:33:24] think I'm going to say this to

[1:33:27] my counsel. Don't the load

[1:33:27] Council members we need to

[1:33:28] step up. We need to step up

[1:33:33] take some action. I we've been

[1:33:34] watching what's happening in

[1:33:36] other jurisdictions and that's

[1:33:36] great. But I think we need to

[1:33:37] step up and do something to

[1:33:40] protect our residents. So and

[1:33:41] that's not on you necessarily.

[1:33:45] That's really on us. If we

[1:33:45] want to really make a

[1:33:47] difference protect our

[1:33:50] community the only other thing

[1:33:51] I would say is I actually am

[1:33:54] still happy with the direction

[1:33:58] this is going I know you're

[1:33:58] going to continue to take

[1:33:59] community input. I think

[1:34:01] that's really important. And

[1:34:05] and and get more feedback

[1:34:06] because I want to ensure that

[1:34:07] we incorporate as much as what

[1:34:10] the community wants is

[1:34:11] possible. So very much in

[1:34:15] favor of that.

[1:34:17] >> And I also thinking about

[1:34:17] protecting our community, but

[1:34:18] also that whatever development

[1:34:19] we do.

[1:34:22] >> That word equitable

[1:34:24] development that that to me, I

[1:34:26] think that was in the in acp

[1:34:26] letter and I did read it even

[1:34:28] though it came to us at the

[1:34:29] last minute. I read the whole

[1:34:32] thing. You know, I represent

[1:34:35] people of color represent

[1:34:37] Latinos. Echo the to me is

[1:34:39] really important in any kind

[1:34:40] of development that we do so

[1:34:42] and I know you you for that

[1:34:44] for me. Not just now, but even

[1:34:45] of the time commission, those

[1:34:46] of the things that that I

[1:34:47] think are important. So with

[1:34:49] that all. That's all I have to

[1:34:51] say. Thank you. Thank you, MR.

[1:34:55] Donald. Thank you, Mayor. I

[1:34:58] just have a few more comments.

[1:34:59] I notice in the specific plans

[1:35:00] that are being brought

[1:35:02] forward.

[1:35:03] >> We have an increase of

[1:35:04] people, an increase of

[1:35:05] services that we're going to

[1:35:07] need infrastructure. And I

[1:35:09] know that sometimes you you

[1:35:09] have this great plan in place.

[1:35:12] It takes us a long time to get

[1:35:12] there.

[1:35:14] >> But have we ever done a

[1:35:15] crosswalk of about how much

[1:35:16] money this will cost less to

[1:35:19] do it, whether it's

[1:35:20] infrastructure.

[1:35:22] >> Public safety, if you're

[1:35:23] looking at it, it looked like

[1:35:24] we were going acquire more

[1:35:27] parks, that type of thing. I

[1:35:29] oftentimes we look at these

[1:35:30] specific plans and we have

[1:35:32] this dream, but I'm not seeing

[1:35:33] the pen and pencil part of it

[1:35:34] of how we're going to take

[1:35:37] care of that and maybe it's in

[1:35:39] there it all of your

[1:35:40] documents. But when it comes

[1:35:41] to me to approve these plans

[1:35:43] and we're looking at policy, I

[1:35:45] think it's wise of us to

[1:35:46] actually look at what we're

[1:35:49] biting off to make sure that

[1:35:51] we can chew it and that we can

[1:35:51] actually take care of all of

[1:35:54] these areas appropriately

[1:35:56] because we're seeing already

[1:35:58] now how Sandra spread in the

[1:35:59] city. So I don't know if you

[1:36:00] have any feedback on that now,

[1:36:01] but I think just moving

[1:36:02] forward, that would be helpful

[1:36:05] for me. Yes, thank you,

[1:36:07] councilmember question. So

[1:36:09] it's an excellent point. And

[1:36:11] yes, part of every specific

[1:36:12] plan, one of the requirements

[1:36:13] included in that is an

[1:36:17] implementation plan. And that

[1:36:19] addresses the short-term

[1:36:20] projects, mid-term and

[1:36:20] long-term projects, potential

[1:36:24] costs and potential funding.

[1:36:25] Rep for new or not revenue.

[1:36:27] But but funding mechanisms put

[1:36:31] those measures into place and

[1:36:32] then who would be responsible

[1:36:34] for doing that? So, yeah. So

[1:36:36] when the final specific plan

[1:36:37] comes before the council for

[1:36:38] consideration, you'll see that

[1:36:39] as part of it definitely would

[1:36:42] welcome any feedback on that.

[1:36:42] Thank you. That's very

[1:36:47] helpful. Thank you. Ms Rogers.

[1:36:48] Thank you, Mayor. I just

[1:36:51] wanted to thank staff for the

[1:36:52] presentation and for all the

[1:36:53] hard work that you're doing.

[1:36:57] And I think although many of

[1:36:59] our speakers where from a live

[1:37:00] outside our jurisdiction. I

[1:37:03] think that this was great.

[1:37:05] >> reminder that now is the

[1:37:07] time that we can collaborate

[1:37:08] with the county and that this

[1:37:10] will allow us to collaborate

[1:37:14] even more. So with the county

[1:37:18] too, ensure that the low

[1:37:19] income housing remains

[1:37:19] protected and that's within

[1:37:23] the city limits. And without I

[1:37:23] mean, an outside of the city

[1:37:27] limits and how important it is

[1:37:31] in that the lines that we draw

[1:37:32] are imaginary, but people's

[1:37:33] livelihoods and their housing

[1:37:36] in there families are very

[1:37:38] real. So I do want to thank

[1:37:39] everyone that came out to

[1:37:42] speak with us and I I can

[1:37:44] speak for myself, but I think

[1:37:45] that I can also speak for my

[1:37:49] colleagues that we do what to

[1:37:51] protect the housing that we

[1:37:53] have. Not only do we want to

[1:37:54] increase the housing stock

[1:37:55] that we want to protect the

[1:37:59] housing that we have in. We

[1:38:01] appreciate you coming out to

[1:38:03] tell us to remind a little

[1:38:03] reminder goes a long way. So

[1:38:08] thank you very much. Thank

[1:38:08] you. Any other question or

[1:38:09] comments or direction from

[1:38:12] council?

[1:38:14] >> I'll just follow up on ms

[1:38:16] Rogers and it's been a while

[1:38:17] point with with the reminder

[1:38:19] that a positive reminder that

[1:38:20] there are a lot of attorneys,

[1:38:21] a lot of elected officials and

[1:38:23] a lot of city managers across

[1:38:24] the county right now working

[1:38:25] on exactly the issue that

[1:38:26] you're here to talk about

[1:38:28] today. As many of you know,

[1:38:30] well, you see what's going on

[1:38:30] in Petaluma in Windsor, in the

[1:38:33] city of Santa Rosa. We are

[1:38:35] part of that discussion. So

[1:38:36] please don't think that the

[1:38:37] city of Santa Rosa City on its

[1:38:40] hands. We have our staff and

[1:38:41] our elected officials here or

[1:38:42] are paying very close

[1:38:43] attention to this discussion

[1:38:44] because we do need to protect

[1:38:44] our housing. With respect to

[1:38:48] to the specific plan, I just

[1:38:49] continue to be excited with

[1:38:51] the ideas that are coming

[1:38:52] forward and impressed with the

[1:38:52] incredible want to staff work

[1:38:54] that's gone into this. This is

[1:38:58] the last large. Relatively

[1:39:00] undeveloped piece of land in

[1:39:02] the city within our with

[1:39:03] boundaries and I say

[1:39:04] relatively and of the

[1:39:05] undeveloped because of course,

[1:39:06] we have thousands of people

[1:39:06] living there. We have

[1:39:07] businesses. We have major

[1:39:10] pieces of infrastructure, but

[1:39:12] it is it is going to grow. It

[1:39:14] is going to dense if I I'm

[1:39:16] excited, but I see that even

[1:39:17] even the talk of bridges or

[1:39:17] pedestrian overcrossing to or

[1:39:21] want to one as we continue to

[1:39:22] try to our city to back

[1:39:24] together after building a

[1:39:25] freeway right through and the

[1:39:26] improvements in the quality of

[1:39:27] life that's going to have for

[1:39:30] all residents in the city with

[1:39:30] special reference to those who

[1:39:31] are living in Southeast and

[1:39:33] Southwest Santa Rosa along

[1:39:35] this corridor. So the plan is

[1:39:37] put forward that incorporate

[1:39:39] all the community feedback it

[1:39:41] It proves means gives us and

[1:39:42] abroad a line from what that

[1:39:45] part of the city can look like

[1:39:47] and and how great it can I

[1:39:47] mean, it's it's a good part of

[1:39:49] the city now, but we can make

[1:39:50] it better with a lot of

[1:39:50] infrastructure investment and

[1:39:53] with good planning. This is a

[1:39:54] step towards that. So staff,

[1:39:56] thank you very much. And thank

[1:39:56] you all the members of the

[1:39:58] community that put time in

[1:39:59] today in our community

[1:40:02] meetings to help push this

[1:40:03] forward. Backed a staff room

[1:40:05] and you've you've gotten some

[1:40:06] feedback from a son serving

[1:40:06] from the community. Do need

[1:40:08] anything else for today. I

[1:40:12] think we're good. Thank you.

[1:40:15] Director has been we're going.

[1:40:17] Yes, thank you, mayor. Just a

[1:40:18] really quick recap. I think

[1:40:20] the critical pieces, the

[1:40:21] council to understand that we

[1:40:22] are moving forward now with

[1:40:23] the preferred alternative that

[1:40:24] was presented. So we'll do.

[1:40:26] The technical studies will

[1:40:26] look at the displacement

[1:40:27] issues that potentially can

[1:40:29] can exist with that.

[1:40:30] >> But this is a critical

[1:40:31] decision making point for us

[1:40:33] because we are now investing

[1:40:34] resources and understanding

[1:40:35] the financial analysis. The

[1:40:37] traffic study, all those other

[1:40:38] parts and pieces. So thank you

[1:40:39] for the feedback. This really

[1:40:40] helps us hold our timeline.

[1:40:42] Staff will move forward with

[1:40:43] Council direction. We're

[1:40:44] looking forward to the next

[1:40:47] generation. Thank you all.

[1:40:48] >> All right. We will move

[1:40:51] ahead then want to item 6. Our

[1:40:51] report on our clothes

[1:40:52] Sessions, MADAM City,

[1:40:55] Attorney.

[1:40:56] >> Thank you, mayor. There's

[1:40:56] one reportable action out of

[1:41:00] closed session. The city

[1:41:01] COUNCILMAN Closed session on

[1:41:03] item 3.1 anticipated

[1:41:04] litigation pursuant to

[1:41:05] Government Code Section 5, 4,

[1:41:08] 9, 5, 6.0. 94 has identified

[1:41:11] on the posted agenda on a

[1:41:12] motion by Councilmember

[1:41:14] Fleming, seconded by Vice

[1:41:16] Mayor Okrepkie the council

[1:41:17] voted unanimously to give

[1:41:19] direction to legal counsel, to

[1:41:20] initiate litigation against

[1:41:22] Pierce manufacturing at all.

[1:41:23] There are no additional

[1:41:26] reportable action is taken.

[1:41:27] >> Thank you very much, indeed

[1:41:29] public comment. I just want to

[1:41:30] thank all the members of the

[1:41:31] public again, who took the

[1:41:32] time to come out. Your please,

[1:41:33] please come back anytime

[1:41:35] states stay engaged with this

[1:41:37] issue. Back to our closed

[1:41:38] session report. Any public

[1:41:43] comment on that? Seeing none.

[1:41:45] We'll close public comment.

[1:41:47] And we had then to item 9, our

[1:41:48] city manager and city

[1:41:51] attorneys reports. City

[1:41:54] manager, not anything for us

[1:41:55] today.

[1:41:55] >> Yes, I thank you, Mayor

[1:41:58] Mayor and council. I have

[1:42:01] several great items to talk

[1:42:02] about. First. I'm really proud

[1:42:04] to announce that Moody's

[1:42:06] ratings, one of the world's

[1:42:08] top credit rating agencies is

[1:42:09] upgraded the city of Santa

[1:42:10] Rosa's credit rating to a a

[1:42:12] one. The second highest credit

[1:42:14] rating in their system

[1:42:14] assigning a stable outlook

[1:42:18] across the board. And a one

[1:42:20] rating is an exceptional

[1:42:21] achievement and a powerful

[1:42:22] external validation of its

[1:42:22] strength, resilience and

[1:42:23] positive trajectory of our

[1:42:26] community. Achieving this

[1:42:26] level of financial recognition

[1:42:30] was no accident. It's the

[1:42:31] direct results of difficult

[1:42:31] but necessary decisions made

[1:42:35] by eu Council and the work of

[1:42:36] our city departments and the

[1:42:38] proactive strategies of the

[1:42:38] city leadership team both

[1:42:42] today and previously today,

[1:42:43] specifically highlight

[1:42:45] highlighted our track record

[1:42:46] of budgeting and our decisive

[1:42:47] proactive response to

[1:42:51] budgetary pressures, including

[1:42:53] discipline spending, executing

[1:42:53] significant spending

[1:42:54] reductions while strictly

[1:42:55] maintaining our General Fund

[1:42:58] Reserve strategic depth

[1:42:59] management implementing highly

[1:43:00] effective strategies to manage

[1:43:02] pension debt such as the

[1:43:06] Calpers Fresh Start program.

[1:43:08] Which secures an estimated

[1:43:09] 37 million and long-term cost

[1:43:11] avoidance community

[1:43:12] partnership. The final support

[1:43:14] of our residents who have past

[1:43:16] success who have passed

[1:43:17] successful voter approved

[1:43:18] measures to protect Essential

[1:43:21] City services, responsible

[1:43:23] planning developing public,

[1:43:24] really disclose long-term

[1:43:26] contingency plans to ensure

[1:43:26] our financial stability

[1:43:28] regardless of future economic

[1:43:30] shifts. The on city

[1:43:31] operations, Moody's recognize

[1:43:32] the undeniable strength of

[1:43:35] Santa Rosa itself. Our local

[1:43:36] economy continues to thrive as

[1:43:38] a prepare regional center for

[1:43:39] government medical services,

[1:43:42] retail and tourism. This

[1:43:44] upgrade reflects our robust

[1:43:46] property value growth, solid

[1:43:48] resident incomes and the

[1:43:49] ongoing construction projects

[1:43:49] that underscore a deep

[1:43:51] continue to invest in our

[1:43:53] city. These upgrades confirm

[1:43:54] what we already know. Santa

[1:43:56] Rosa's economy and community

[1:43:57] are steadily moving in a

[1:43:59] highly positive and prosperous

[1:44:00] direction. I want to

[1:44:04] congratulate and thank the

[1:44:05] council our team for all of

[1:44:07] the hard work they did to

[1:44:09] achieve this upgraded ratings

[1:44:13] structure. I think it's great.

[1:44:14] Absolutely. Our cfo is not

[1:44:18] here to take a bow. He's

[1:44:19] hiding steadiest hiding in the

[1:44:21] back. Thank you to the whole

[1:44:23] team. I also want to say that

[1:44:24] the Santa Rosa Police

[1:44:25] Department will host a

[1:44:26] community meeting on

[1:44:27] SEPTEMBER, the 17th about the

[1:44:29] use of its flock, automated

[1:44:31] license plate reader

[1:44:33] technology. The meeting

[1:44:34] explain how alpr assist with

[1:44:36] serious criminal

[1:44:37] investigations outline privacy

[1:44:38] safeguards such as vehicle

[1:44:40] only data collection. 30 day

[1:44:43] retention case based searches

[1:44:44] and audits and provide an

[1:44:45] opportunity for residents to

[1:44:46] ask questions and offer

[1:44:48] feedback Spanish translation

[1:44:50] and accommodations will be

[1:44:51] available and the meeting is

[1:44:52] being promoted through a

[1:44:54] variety of avenues, including

[1:44:55] social media civic, ready and

[1:44:58] future radio announcements

[1:44:59] more to come and be published

[1:45:03] on that. In addition, 7 Santa

[1:45:04] Rosa police officers were

[1:45:05] honored by Mothers Against

[1:45:08] Drunk Driving for their dui

[1:45:10] enforcement efforts in 2025.

[1:45:13] The Srpd made 614 dui arrests

[1:45:15] with the 7 recognized officers

[1:45:18] accounting for nearly 60% of

[1:45:20] that total honorees included

[1:45:22] Officer Anthony Metairie,

[1:45:23] Officer Brendan Sawyer,

[1:45:27] Officer Chase McIntyre officer

[1:45:29] John Fisher. Officer Hannah

[1:45:31] Combs. Officer Diego Asensio

[1:45:35] and Officer Mike meager

[1:45:38] Officer Anthony Metairie

[1:45:38] receive special recognition

[1:45:41] for making more than 100 dui

[1:45:41] arrests and recording the

[1:45:44] third-highest total in

[1:45:45] Northern California. The these

[1:45:45] awards reflect the

[1:45:46] department's continued

[1:45:48] commitment to traffic safety

[1:45:49] impaired, driving enforcement

[1:45:50] and reducing traffic related

[1:45:52] injuries and fatalities. Thank

[1:45:54] you all to those 7 officers

[1:45:55] for their hard and continue to

[1:45:58] work. I'm also happy to share

[1:45:59] that the Ross Street

[1:46:01] activation is now underway,

[1:46:02] bringing new energy activity

[1:46:03] and opportunities to connect

[1:46:04] in the heart of downtown Santa

[1:46:06] Rosa through OCTOBER 31st. The

[1:46:09] east side of Ross Street will

[1:46:09] serve as a vibrant community

[1:46:11] gathering space featuring live

[1:46:13] music lunchtime, food trucks

[1:46:14] and family-friendly activities

[1:46:15] designed to welcome residents

[1:46:16] and visitors while supporting

[1:46:19] our downtown businesses. We

[1:46:20] are proud to support this

[1:46:21] effort through funding

[1:46:22] partnership and coordination

[1:46:24] assistance from our Economic

[1:46:26] Development division. This

[1:46:27] activation reflects the power

[1:46:28] of collaboration and we

[1:46:29] appreciate the many but

[1:46:31] downtown businesses, community

[1:46:33] partners and event. Organizers

[1:46:34] who helped bring this vision

[1:46:36] to life. And I encourage

[1:46:37] everyone to visit downtown,

[1:46:39] enjoy the activities and

[1:46:39] support our local businesses

[1:46:40] through the activation period

[1:46:43] for more information visit

[1:46:45] downtown Santa Rosa Dot Org.

[1:46:49] And I have one more mayor. I

[1:46:50] am pleased to announce that

[1:46:52] the registration is now open

[1:46:54] for fall into fitness. These

[1:46:55] are free class demo day taking

[1:46:59] place on SEPTEMBER. 19th at

[1:47:00] the Finley Community Center.

[1:47:02] This Free Community event

[1:47:03] invites adults and seniors to

[1:47:05] explore a variety of exercise

[1:47:06] and dance classes designed to

[1:47:09] support a healthy heart body

[1:47:11] and mind participants can

[1:47:12] register for up to 3 classes

[1:47:14] at no cost through advanced

[1:47:15] registration, although advance

[1:47:18] registration is required.

[1:47:19] Fallen to fitness is made

[1:47:19] possible through measure m

[1:47:22] Parks for all which supports

[1:47:23] parks and recreation programs

[1:47:26] through Sonoma County to view

[1:47:27] available classes and register

[1:47:29] visit sr City dot org forward

[1:47:30] slash calendar and we hope

[1:47:31] you'll join us at the Finley

[1:47:33] Community Center on SEPTEMBER.

[1:47:35] 19th. Thank you, mayor. That

[1:47:37] concludes my report. Good up.

[1:47:38] A good update. We are a

[1:47:39] healthier and safer city with

[1:47:40] a higher credit rating. That's

[1:47:42] our report for this.

[1:47:43] >> This meeting? Excellent.

[1:47:45] Alright. MADAM City Attorney.

[1:47:46] >> Thank you, mayor of a

[1:47:47] report of settlements and

[1:47:49] active litigation. There are

[1:47:50] no settlements or judgments to

[1:47:51] report out for the month of

[1:47:54] JULY. As of 8/6/2026, are

[1:47:56] active. Caseload was 33

[1:47:58] litigation matters with child

[1:47:59] eats assigned to approximately

[1:48:01] 25% of the trial court level

[1:48:03] matters. 4 cases are currently

[1:48:04] on appeal following rulings in

[1:48:06] favor of the city at the trial

[1:48:08] court level and the litigation

[1:48:10] report is attached to the

[1:48:10] agenda materials and I have

[1:48:11] nothing further to report this

[1:48:14] evening. Thank you. Thank you

[1:48:15] very much the public comment.

[1:48:16] Are there any members of the

[1:48:17] public who wish to comment on

[1:48:18] either of these reports, MR.

[1:48:27] Do it.

[1:48:29] >> Hello, my name is Dwayne

[1:48:31] from Roseland. Thank you. For

[1:48:33] those recent reports from the

[1:48:34] interim city manager and the

[1:48:39] attorney. It's nice to hear

[1:48:39] that they'll be a meeting

[1:48:43] about the flock cameras. This

[1:48:44] has become an issue that's

[1:48:46] growing for a number of

[1:48:48] people. And I'm hoping as

[1:48:48] specially because the chief of

[1:48:52] police is come by tonight.

[1:48:53] That he'll make a point of

[1:48:56] making sure the meeting is set

[1:48:57] up so that half of the time is

[1:49:00] for the residents. I've been

[1:49:01] to a number of city meetings

[1:49:06] over the years and typically

[1:49:07] evolves into the city, talking

[1:49:09] at the people who've come

[1:49:11] talking out a more given him

[1:49:13] some more talk and you can

[1:49:17] have a two-hour meeting. It

[1:49:17] comprises one hour and 45

[1:49:21] minutes. City staff and

[1:49:21] different people talking to

[1:49:22] the residents who then all

[1:49:26] they get 15 minutes. So the

[1:49:27] whole flock camera issue has

[1:49:33] become fraught with this,

[1:49:34] understanding this information

[1:49:34] and other things that are

[1:49:37] problematic to folks in the

[1:49:40] community. So this would be

[1:49:41] excellent opportunity for the

[1:49:43] police department and city

[1:49:44] staff, even elected officials

[1:49:49] to be there and point out to

[1:49:51] the community. It's what they

[1:49:53] want. The community is asking

[1:49:54] about information. They want

[1:49:58] safety in the future and

[1:49:58] explain how this might be able

[1:50:04] to deliver some of those. You

[1:50:04] might call questions that come

[1:50:07] from the greater community,

[1:50:11] deliver answers for those. So

[1:50:11] don't go in with a preset

[1:50:15] agenda per se make to our

[1:50:16] meeting one hour for the city

[1:50:18] staff and one are for

[1:50:21] community to talk and interact

[1:50:22] have it be an interactive

[1:50:25] discussion. Not just one side

[1:50:27] leads. Thank you kindly. Going

[1:50:30] take you to Wayne.

[1:50:31] >> Are there any other members

[1:50:32] of the public in council

[1:50:36] chambers who wish to speak?

[1:50:37] Seeing none. We'll go online

[1:50:37] if you're online was to make

[1:50:38] public comment. This item,

[1:50:39] please raise your hand or

[1:50:42] press star 9. MADAM Zoom host.

[1:50:44] Is there anybody with her hand

[1:50:45] raised online?

[1:50:45] >> Thank you, Mayor. We have

[1:50:48] no one wishing to speak on

[1:50:48] Zoom.

[1:50:49] >> Thank you. We'll close

[1:50:50] public comment on this item

[1:50:52] and more on to item. 10

[1:50:53] statements of abstention are

[1:50:54] accused my council members. Do

[1:50:54] we have any statements of

[1:50:55] abstention recusal this

[1:51:00] evening? Seeing none. On to

[1:51:00] mayor and Councilmembers

[1:51:01] reports. Do we have any

[1:51:04] reports this evening? MR.

[1:51:08] Donald kick us off.

[1:51:09] >> Thank you, Mayor. I just

[1:51:10] have a couple of things to

[1:51:13] report out I was able to 10. I

[1:51:15] think it was a last Wednesday

[1:51:19] night market last week and see

[1:51:20] drummer from Guns n Roses. So

[1:51:24] if you know, I wasn't at the

[1:51:24] really big event politically,

[1:51:28] it's because I was listening

[1:51:29] to that.

[1:51:31] >> I also want say

[1:51:33] congratulations to the Rincon

[1:51:36] Valley Library for their

[1:51:36] amazing renovation. Open the

[1:51:39] doors yesterday and and it

[1:51:41] looks like a bookstore going

[1:51:41] in there. They've done a great

[1:51:44] job, making it a resource,

[1:51:45] have for community members.

[1:51:47] And I know a lot of students

[1:51:48] go to that library after

[1:51:49] school. And so I just want to

[1:51:52] congratulate them. And thank

[1:51:54] you for opportunity come and

[1:51:55] speak to all the committee

[1:51:56] members that were in

[1:51:56] attendance. And thank you to

[1:51:57] city manager net for his

[1:52:00] attendance as well.

[1:52:04] >> Thank you. Anyone else? I

[1:52:06] want just bunch of real quick

[1:52:08] items you mention, not every

[1:52:08] dimension police night out a

[1:52:09] couple weeks ago when we had

[1:52:12] the police to put up a dames

[1:52:13] again. Thanks, rpd for putting

[1:52:14] together. We have hundreds of

[1:52:15] people that that's that's a

[1:52:18] great tradition. Thank you to

[1:52:20] city staff here as well as in

[1:52:21] Rohnert Park in Windsor for

[1:52:22] being part of the business

[1:52:22] line. Sonoma County

[1:52:23] presentation on where our city

[1:52:26] budgets are right now as well

[1:52:27] as the ballot tax measures and

[1:52:28] a number of jurisdictions in

[1:52:31] the county are going out with

[1:52:32] it was well attended meeting.

[1:52:34] We probably want to add 150

[1:52:35] plus people. They're just

[1:52:37] talking through municipal

[1:52:37] municipal finances, both Santa

[1:52:39] Rosa and our and our

[1:52:40] neighboring cities. That was

[1:52:43] an important meeting. We did

[1:52:44] have the Clean Power Board

[1:52:46] meeting a couple weeks ago.

[1:52:47] Interesting subject discussed

[1:52:48] the cost of electric

[1:52:50] electrification for

[1:52:51] lower-income neighborhoods. So

[1:52:53] think about the lower income

[1:52:53] neighborhoods and our county.

[1:52:56] How do we give them the get

[1:52:58] those neighborhoods, the

[1:52:59] benefits ev of solar cells of

[1:52:59] more reliable electricity,

[1:53:02] lower electric costs. Sonoma,

[1:53:03] clean power as ever is ahead

[1:53:04] of the curve and trying to

[1:53:05] figure out how we make that

[1:53:08] happen here in our county in a

[1:53:09] And of course, the fair I know

[1:53:10] the county tries to end game,

[1:53:12] for the fair, but we had 10

[1:53:12] days of the fair. And that

[1:53:13] really happens in Santa Rosa

[1:53:16] as everybody knows. Attendance

[1:53:17] was good. It was a lot of What

[1:53:18] a what a great addition for

[1:53:22] the county. A week ago we had

[1:53:24] this change council chamber

[1:53:26] right here was full MARCH. The

[1:53:27] 7th and 8th graders actually

[1:53:30] 3rd through 8th graders who

[1:53:32] were who had were winners in

[1:53:33] the read on Sonoma County

[1:53:35] reading effort across the

[1:53:36] county. They chose to come

[1:53:37] here and learn about city

[1:53:39] government. It's a great

[1:53:40] program county wide. They're

[1:53:41] going about 7,000 kids in

[1:53:43] Sonoma County participating re

[1:53:46] on Sonoma. Again, to encourage

[1:53:48] reading for encourage reading

[1:53:49] skills. So kudos to that and

[1:53:52] to the school districts who

[1:53:53] are involved. And then finally

[1:53:55] an unusual conversation this

[1:53:57] week I was at San Quentin on

[1:53:59] Saturday and found myself in

[1:54:01] policy conversations with

[1:54:02] relevance to our vies for into

[1:54:02] partnership. That's been

[1:54:04] windows in this in this

[1:54:06] Rogers, believe it or not, we

[1:54:08] have we have a committed group

[1:54:09] of men inside San Quentin who

[1:54:10] wake up at 05:30am, in the

[1:54:12] morning to watch our council

[1:54:14] meetings. And so when I'm in

[1:54:15] there, too, with my basketball

[1:54:18] team to play basketball, a

[1:54:19] policy session sometimes

[1:54:21] emerges and this time around

[1:54:22] what was concerning for for

[1:54:24] the for the colleagues I was

[1:54:26] with was on the increase in

[1:54:27] gun violence in our area and

[1:54:30] the increase in youth

[1:54:31] violence. They've noticed that

[1:54:34] and particularly some for some

[1:54:35] residents, former residents of

[1:54:36] Santa Rosa, Future residents

[1:54:37] of Santa Rosa with their

[1:54:38] family. Still here. Want to

[1:54:43] know how they can help. So and

[1:54:45] touching They mentioned that

[1:54:46] they feel as though they've

[1:54:50] participated, they they helped

[1:54:50] create the conditions for the

[1:54:52] problem that we're seeing here

[1:54:53] and they want to they want to

[1:54:54] give back in some way. And

[1:54:55] that led into a conversation

[1:54:55] about what the violence

[1:54:56] Prevention partnership does.

[1:55:00] What are city Some discussion

[1:55:02] of how they can participate

[1:55:03] from San Quentin now with

[1:55:05] their media labs in terms of

[1:55:06] videos in terms of terms of

[1:55:07] public presentations, how they

[1:55:09] might how they might

[1:55:11] participate. Much discussion

[1:55:13] about what Srpd has done, what

[1:55:14] we have done here in terms of

[1:55:18] gun seizures in terms of terms

[1:55:19] ghost lab, ghost manufacturing

[1:55:21] arrests, et cetera. They were

[1:55:24] glad to hear that news. But

[1:55:25] again, it turned into

[1:55:28] substantive conversation. So

[1:55:31] shout out to Johnny and Jonas

[1:55:31] to residents to 2 individuals

[1:55:32] will be coming back to our

[1:55:33] city Sunday. We're ready to

[1:55:37] worry to plug you in. And then

[1:55:38] the San Quentin Kings, the

[1:55:40] name of the team we play when

[1:55:41] we go in, they would want it

[1:55:44] noted for the city record that

[1:55:45] they did actually because

[1:55:46] pretty badly in and in a

[1:55:47] basketball game, it wasn't. It

[1:55:51] wasn't very close this time

[1:55:54] around by 2 long. But 2

[1:55:54] longtime friends, their land

[1:55:55] cookie. I want to also be on

[1:55:56] the record that I outscored

[1:55:57] both of them, even though I

[1:55:59] was injured. So if our minutes

[1:56:01] could reflect And and to that

[1:56:03] to the gentleman watching,

[1:56:06] first of all, good morning.

[1:56:07] Thank you. Thank you tuning in

[1:56:08] for interest in the city and

[1:56:10] I'll see you in SEPTEMBER.

[1:56:13] That concludes our report. Any

[1:56:15] public comment on these items?

[1:56:20] In council chambers MADAM

[1:56:21] Zuma, host is any online, have

[1:56:23] their hands raised?

[1:56:26] >> Nobody is commenting on

[1:56:27] zoom.

[1:56:27] >> We'll close public comment.

[1:56:32] We will move on to item 11.2.

[1:56:33] We have a few of us here who

[1:56:34] are going to California cities

[1:56:37] in a couple of weeks and we

[1:56:39] need we need delegate voting

[1:56:44] rights to a few of them. And

[1:56:46] so MR. Dunham internal review

[1:56:47] from for a motion for our

[1:56:47] undesignated voter and

[1:56:50] alternate.

[1:56:54] >> Thank you, I move to

[1:56:55] designate Councilmember Rogers

[1:56:56] as voting delicate and

[1:56:59] councilmember Alvarez and

[1:57:01] myself as the 2 alternatives

[1:57:02] for the upcoming Cal City

[1:57:04] Conference. Second that.

[1:57:05] >> We have a motion and a

[1:57:07] second. Any public comment on

[1:57:13] this item? In council chambers

[1:57:16] anybody online, MADAM To host.

[1:57:18] >> Nobody is raising their

[1:57:18] hand online.

[1:57:19] >> we have a motion. A second

[1:57:22] City clerk call the vote.

[1:57:25] >> Thank you, Mayor

[1:57:26] Councilmember Rogers, I

[1:57:26] Councilmember MacDonald by

[1:57:30] Councilmember Councilmember

[1:57:30] Ben Yes, councilmember over as

[1:57:33] our vice Cookie. I mayor step

[1:57:36] yes. Let the record show this

[1:57:37] passes unanimously.

[1:57:38] >> Thank you, Ron 12 approval

[1:57:41] of minutes. We have 2 sets of

[1:57:42] minutes. Our JULY 2026 regular

[1:57:43] meeting minutes and AUGUST

[1:57:45] 4th, 2026 regular meeting

[1:57:46] minutes. Are there any

[1:57:48] amendments or corrections to

[1:57:49] these minutes? Looking to my

[1:57:54] colleagues. So we do an

[1:57:57] extension. You want to make

[1:57:57] that announcement?

[1:57:58] >> I need to abstain,

[1:57:58] apologize for not saying it

[1:58:00] earlier for the obvious 4th

[1:58:05] meeting as I was out of town.

[1:58:06] >> Thank you. All right. Any

[1:58:08] other corrections or

[1:58:10] amendments seeing none over

[1:58:11] the public comment in council

[1:58:13] chambers? Are there any

[1:58:14] members of the public who

[1:58:14] would like to make comment on

[1:58:15] either set or either set of

[1:58:19] minutes? Seeing none in

[1:58:20] council chambers. MADAM Zoom

[1:58:21] host, anybody online with her

[1:58:22] hand raised.

[1:58:22] >> We have no public comment

[1:58:26] via them.

[1:58:27] >> Thank you. All right. Then

[1:58:30] Ms MacDonald stipulation that

[1:58:31] she is that she's abstaining

[1:58:32] from item. 12.2 will be will

[1:58:32] adopt both those minutes as

[1:58:36] submitted. And move on to

[1:58:39] consent. We have items 13.1

[1:58:41] through 13.6. Are there any

[1:58:42] questions regarding the

[1:58:42] consent calendar, anything to

[1:58:48] be pulled? Seeing? None. What

[1:58:49] a public comment winning

[1:58:50] numbers. The public like to

[1:58:51] make comment on consent, MR.

[1:59:02] Do it. You have the floor.

[1:59:03] >> Hello. My name is Dwayne Do

[1:59:07] it. I'm from Roseland I'm

[1:59:08] definitely concerned and

[1:59:10] hopeful that the downtown

[1:59:12] connectivity to support

[1:59:13] housing density is actually

[1:59:16] going to occur and bring good

[1:59:16] things forward since sizable

[1:59:19] amount of money that's being

[1:59:20] spent and one of the things

[1:59:24] that we hear often is that we

[1:59:25] want more housing density

[1:59:29] downtown. But we haven't been

[1:59:30] getting it. It's a matter of

[1:59:31] fact. People in the past that

[1:59:33] have come here before and told

[1:59:35] you they're going to do

[1:59:37] projects to get more housing

[1:59:38] downtown, then return and say,

[1:59:40] well, it didn't pencil out so

[1:59:43] we didn't do it and we don't

[1:59:45] get that housing that's

[1:59:46] promised. This is the kind of

[1:59:48] stuff that needs to be paid

[1:59:50] attention to you. Folks need

[1:59:53] to keep a tight rein on what

[1:59:55] kind of promises you take.

[1:59:56] It's a matter of fact. You

[1:59:59] know, there's a term he caught

[2:00:01] a proverb, actually, perhaps

[2:00:06] once burned, twice shy. So you

[2:00:08] could be looking different

[2:00:09] developer that MAY come here

[2:00:10] and say we're going to get

[2:00:12] more housing downtown. We're

[2:00:14] going to increase that housing

[2:00:15] density and make sure that you

[2:00:18] get it in writing because

[2:00:19] apparently that hasn't

[2:00:20] occurred before and that's why

[2:00:22] they've been able to slip

[2:00:24] through, if you will, and that

[2:00:28] we don't get that housing.

[2:00:28] That whole dilemma didn't

[2:00:33] pencil out. So as this goes

[2:00:35] forward, which is 13.3 kind of

[2:00:36] an ominous number, if you

[2:00:40] will. You'll make sure that

[2:00:41] somehow these people that

[2:00:45] build this project for 13 can

[2:00:50] be 3.7, 7, 9, 141,000. That's

[2:00:51] a lot of money. 3 million,

[2:00:54] almost 4 million dollars.

[2:00:55] Gonna show somehow that we get

[2:00:56] that housing density. Thank

[2:01:00] you. Thank you to Wayne. Any

[2:01:01] other members of the public

[2:01:02] like to comment on the consent

[2:01:04] calendar.

[2:01:05] >> Seeing none in council

[2:01:08] chambers met MADAM Zuma, host,

[2:01:09] anybody online.

[2:01:10] >> Thank you, Mayor. We have

[2:01:12] no one raising their hand

[2:01:12] online.

[2:01:13] >> Thank you. We'll close

[2:01:14] public comment and I look to

[2:01:17] vice mayor creepy for motion.

[2:01:18] I move to adopt consent items.

[2:01:20] 13.1 through submitted by

[2:01:20] staff.

[2:01:24] >> Second, it. When I was

[2:01:25] close talking about what MR.

[2:01:26] Alvarez with a motion and a

[2:01:27] second, MADAM City clerk, you

[2:01:29] can call a vote whenever

[2:01:30] you're ready. Thank you. Mayor

[2:01:33] Councilmember Rogers.

[2:01:36] >> Councilmember MacDonald, I

[2:01:37] councilmember Fleming

[2:01:39] Councilmember Ben Willows.

[2:01:40] Yes, councilmember over vice

[2:01:43] Cookie. I mean, your step?

[2:01:46] Yes. Let the record show this

[2:01:47] passes unanimously.

[2:01:47] >> Thank you very rights where

[2:01:50] we are just a few minutes

[2:01:52] before 5. You know what? Let's

[2:01:54] let's move right into our

[2:01:55] report item for the evening

[2:01:58] item. 15.1. Our report

[2:01:59] regarding the approval of Real

[2:02:00] property Exchange agreement

[2:02:05] for City Hall campus, 9100

[2:02:06] Senators Avenue and a portion

[2:02:08] of that. And then 6.30, per 6,

[2:02:13] 3, 6, 5, 5 for street and 5

[2:02:14] 23rd Street with a decoration

[2:02:15] exempt surplus land and

[2:02:22] related actions. A

[2:02:23] high-profile item for those of

[2:02:26] you read the papers. Thank you

[2:02:26] for it. To all those who

[2:02:28] showed up tonight to talk

[2:02:29] through this. It's important

[2:02:39] for the city. MISS Scott, MR.

[2:02:47] Wagner, MR. Hennessey.

[2:02:47] >> Good Evening. Council

[2:02:48] members. We are happy to be

[2:02:49] here tonight. Excited to be

[2:02:50] here tonight to talk to

[2:02:52] addressing the city hall

[2:02:55] liability and the proposed

[2:02:57] exchange agreement. I am Jill

[2:02:58] Scott, the city's real

[2:02:59] property manager start off the

[2:03:02] discussion. I'm here with our

[2:03:04] deputy director or excuse

[2:03:05] director of just give it a

[2:03:08] motion. Our director of

[2:03:09] transportation and public

[2:03:12] works and cfo, MISTER Wagner.

[2:03:15] We also have our consulting

[2:03:17] law firm bk in in the audience

[2:03:19] to help us out with any

[2:03:20] questions they've been working

[2:03:23] with us to this whole process.

[2:03:25] >> So just going to go over a

[2:03:26] little road map of how the

[2:03:27] presentation is going to go

[2:03:29] because it's a little We want

[2:03:31] to make sure we had all the

[2:03:31] points. Any answers. Many

[2:03:37] questions as we can. Rt Pw

[2:03:38] Tractor Director Hennessy is

[2:03:40] going to start out with the

[2:03:40] liability and what's going on

[2:03:41] at the city Hall campus right

[2:03:46] now. Our cfo is go through the

[2:03:48] fiscal impact. Then I minister

[2:03:49] with salt alternatives that

[2:03:52] we've considered the exchange

[2:03:54] itself the transaction and

[2:03:55] what it looks like and how the

[2:03:56] improvements and the

[2:03:58] transition would go. They're

[2:04:01] going turn it back over to cfo

[2:04:02] Wagner to go through the

[2:04:03] financial review and the

[2:04:06] proposed council action. So

[2:04:10] next slide to MR. Hennessey.

[2:04:14] >> Good afternoon Council. As

[2:04:17] a slide on for a new shows. We

[2:04:20] have more than 9 figures in my

[2:04:24] ability on the That doesn't

[2:04:26] happen overnight. That is not

[2:04:27] specifically my fault or your

[2:04:30] fault. This is a generational

[2:04:30] issue that has happened over

[2:04:33] decades. What we have figured

[2:04:36] out, though, is how to fix it.

[2:04:40] And I walk through some of the

[2:04:41] specific issues. It is our

[2:04:42] million dollars needed to fix

[2:04:44] these buildings for a variety

[2:04:49] of things from structural

[2:04:50] repairs to sewer and water

[2:04:51] issues and ada issues amongst

[2:04:56] other things.

[2:04:58] >> These cost to the city here

[2:04:59] is

[2:05:00] >> cfo we'll talk a little bit

[2:05:03] more about that. We are not

[2:05:04] paying for annually. And as a

[2:05:06] result of that, it continues

[2:05:07] to grow rather having us

[2:05:08] address it in a meaningful

[2:05:17] way. Joe mentioned this, this

[2:05:18] liability is systemic both

[2:05:20] within our facilities

[2:05:21] portfolio and within our our

[2:05:23] budgeting over the last many

[2:05:24] decades. With respect to the

[2:05:28] buildings and the site itself.

[2:05:32] We have structural issues,

[2:05:32] including exterior conditions

[2:05:34] that have deteriorated past

[2:05:36] the point of repair that need

[2:05:37] complete replacement

[2:05:38] structural deficiencies of

[2:05:39] started to crop up in some of

[2:05:41] the buildings. We have ada

[2:05:42] issues all over the place,

[2:05:43] including the elevator out

[2:05:46] here. The ramps essentially we

[2:05:47] would need to rebuild the

[2:05:50] building to make it 88

[2:05:52] compliant. We also have as

[2:05:54] best of sunlight issues

[2:05:55] throughout a number of the

[2:05:56] buildings. And I think the

[2:05:59] biggest thing that I want to

[2:06:00] fixing this requires everybody

[2:06:00] working in these buildings to

[2:06:04] be out of them. You know, we

[2:06:06] cannot deal with lead and

[2:06:06] asbestos issues with people

[2:06:10] working around here. You've

[2:06:13] all heard the anecdotes of us

[2:06:15] buying hvac parts from the bay

[2:06:16] because we cannot find

[2:06:20] suppliers sell them anymore.

[2:06:23] That those are truthful

[2:06:23] anecdotes are facilities.

[2:06:27] Coordinator superintendent is

[2:06:28] frequently shopping and

[2:06:29] second-hand sites to find

[2:06:30] pieces equipment for us to

[2:06:35] keep the building running.

[2:06:36] Some of the specific examples.

[2:06:37] I know. I've got a couple

[2:06:39] slides here just showing some

[2:06:40] some pictures because I know a

[2:06:42] lot of the public sees the

[2:06:43] council chamber MAY be some

[2:06:46] reception areas, but the 300

[2:06:47] plus staff members who work in

[2:06:49] these building see this every

[2:06:53] day. We have hvac units with

[2:06:53] Faye Linda Quirk. We have

[2:06:57] water leaks stained carpet

[2:06:58] replacing that carpet. It is a

[2:06:59] challenge because it would

[2:07:00] expose who knows what

[2:07:04] underneath them. Have paint

[2:07:06] caused by leaks even in the

[2:07:09] point of 2 point of crack

[2:07:10] concrete walls that's not

[2:07:10] supposed to happen as

[2:07:12] especially not supposed to

[2:07:13] have then. Where will those

[2:07:15] concrete walls are important

[2:07:18] structurally for Keeping the

[2:07:23] building operate. Sealing

[2:07:25] leaks are not only water

[2:07:27] lines, but sometimes sewage

[2:07:30] lines we've had. Those leaks

[2:07:31] mostly contained by the

[2:07:33] ceilings. And as you staying

[2:07:34] there, we've also had some

[2:07:34] sewage leaks not contained by

[2:07:35] the ceilings and make their

[2:07:36] way down to the desk and

[2:07:40] ground level. You'll remember

[2:07:42] a few years ago that we had an

[2:07:43] infestation of fleas that send

[2:07:43] everybody home for a short

[2:07:44] period of time. While we got

[2:07:47] that taken care of. These are

[2:07:51] all costs to us in terms of

[2:07:52] fixing city facilities but

[2:07:53] also costs to us in terms of

[2:07:54] the ability of staff to

[2:07:58] deliver services for the

[2:07:59] public. So the great part is

[2:08:02] that now we know what it costs

[2:08:04] to fix. And cfo Wagner will

[2:08:08] tell us how to get there.

[2:08:08] Thank you, Director

[2:08:11] Hennessy's. So all Echo one of

[2:08:13] the points that Dan made in

[2:08:14] that myself and dinner are

[2:08:14] willing to come back to

[2:08:16] councils address this issue,

[2:08:17] too.

[2:08:17] >> To put a Band-Aid on to

[2:08:22] this. Campus not to fix it,

[2:08:23] but to put a Band-Aid on it so

[2:08:24] that we can immediately

[2:08:27] address. The problems here

[2:08:30] that make this campus a place

[2:08:31] that we the public cannot

[2:08:31] reliably count on to be able

[2:08:34] to conduct their services

[2:08:35] here. That indeed is a

[2:08:39] 48 million dollar band did.

[2:08:40] And again, we are willing to

[2:08:41] return to council with dot to

[2:08:45] be able to execute that plan.

[2:08:46] Roughly what an understanding

[2:08:48] of how that would really to

[2:08:49] our budget would we would

[2:08:49] anticipate the 6 million

[2:08:53] dollar annual cost to fund

[2:08:54] that 48 million dollars. We

[2:08:57] would do so through debt. Now,

[2:08:58] as Dan mentioned, that would

[2:09:00] be fully burden costs of

[2:09:02] finding a new place for our

[2:09:03] employees to work until we

[2:09:04] were able to fix all the

[2:09:06] issues here. It would be

[2:09:07] complex and it would be very

[2:09:10] challenging to execute. But

[2:09:11] again, we are at a place with

[2:09:14] our current failure that we do

[2:09:16] need to take action. And one

[2:09:17] of the consistent themes that

[2:09:19] will be throughout this

[2:09:21] presentation is that this is a

[2:09:22] issue that has developed over

[2:09:24] decades and part of that issue

[2:09:27] is in action. And we're going

[2:09:29] to talk about that a little

[2:09:30] bit more in the presentation.

[2:09:34] Next slide. 6 million dollars

[2:09:36] is a meaningful impact to our

[2:09:39] budget. We're going to talk

[2:09:40] about leader our exchange

[2:09:40] concept and how that equals

[2:09:41] less than 1 million dollars a

[2:09:45] year. The way I'm

[2:09:48] characterizing for my Ron

[2:09:50] finances that there is a

[2:09:50] 5 million dollar Delta there

[2:09:52] between these solutions and

[2:09:54] again, the 6 million dollars

[2:09:57] is not a solution. It is a

[2:09:58] Band-Aid. 5 million Dollar

[2:10:01] Delta really is a meaningful

[2:10:01] impact to the service that we

[2:10:04] can provide the community. Our

[2:10:05] general fund, which would have

[2:10:07] to bear the burden of that

[2:10:09] expense is responsible for

[2:10:10] providing the services that

[2:10:13] the community expects and asks

[2:10:15] for first that being our

[2:10:16] police fire emergency

[2:10:18] response, our streets and

[2:10:20] infrastructure keeping our

[2:10:21] parks clean and well

[2:10:23] maintained. And as long as

[2:10:23] well as the community services

[2:10:25] through our recreation

[2:10:27] programs. At the end of the

[2:10:29] day, we have one high in Santa

[2:10:30] Rosa and how we choose to

[2:10:32] divvy it out is the way to

[2:10:34] provide the most service to

[2:10:35] the community. Ultimately the

[2:10:38] end of the day, this inaction

[2:10:39] on see by the city over the

[2:10:42] decades to create this problem

[2:10:43] has left us where we have to

[2:10:45] make this start decision on

[2:10:47] how we are going to invest

[2:10:49] that pie best to maintain our

[2:10:55] city services. The second

[2:10:56] thing that I would I would

[2:11:00] impress is that

[2:11:01] >> these couple of decades of

[2:11:03] the city discussing this and

[2:11:05] this has been discussed at

[2:11:06] this table for a very long

[2:11:09] time and very long

[2:11:11] presentations. I would really

[2:11:13] describe that as the city was

[2:11:16] stuck in spiral of a rebuild

[2:11:18] concept and that it's very

[2:11:21] rare to be able to know you

[2:11:21] haven't identified facility

[2:11:23] that you're able to move into.

[2:11:25] That will meet your needs. We

[2:11:26] do have that opportunity

[2:11:30] today. But when you don't have

[2:11:31] that, you have to build from

[2:11:34] the ground up. The last time

[2:11:36] the city took a very serious

[2:11:39] approach at looking at this

[2:11:40] issue. The twenty-twenty

[2:11:41] initial estimate was

[2:11:43] 64 million dollars. That is

[2:11:48] the large number but what's

[2:11:49] even larger is taking that

[2:11:51] number from just 6 years ago.

[2:11:51] And today we're looking at

[2:11:55] around 82 million dollars. We

[2:11:57] have this existing liability

[2:11:58] on our books for this campus

[2:12:02] and it grows each year. Unlike

[2:12:03] an actuary report from Calpers

[2:12:04] where they'll tell us exactly

[2:12:05] how much it is each year. We

[2:12:09] have to look at this and

[2:12:10] ultimately that 30% increase

[2:12:13] just makes the rebuild concept

[2:12:16] more unfeasible than it was in

[2:12:17] 2020 more unfeasible than it

[2:12:19] was prior to the Great

[2:12:22] Recession. And we really need

[2:12:23] to exit that strategy. We need

[2:12:23] to come up with something

[2:12:24] different that we're here to

[2:12:32] propose today.

[2:12:33] >> ok, so we've had a lot of

[2:12:33] questions about what's

[2:12:38] happened over the years

[2:12:39] personally, myself and our

[2:12:40] city manager of been working

[2:12:42] on these concepts for over 10

[2:12:43] years. But I'm gonna go back

[2:12:44] in history a little bit for

[2:12:45] the public, even though this

[2:12:47] has been to.

[2:12:48] >> In public means so many

[2:12:51] times over the years. Back in

[2:12:51] the 2 thousands, they

[2:12:52] attempted a man, a master

[2:12:57] planning process for city hall

[2:12:58] and and recognize that the

[2:12:59] times I it wasn't a long-term

[2:13:03] solution that is affordable in

[2:13:04] 2000 Ten's they evaluated

[2:13:06] selling or rebuilding and even

[2:13:08] bought more property a little

[2:13:09] earlier than not the West

[2:13:12] America Bank building too

[2:13:15] extend and expand on a rebuild

[2:13:16] of the property. But the high

[2:13:17] costs and the limited market

[2:13:22] interest made that not

[2:13:24] feasible. And the 2000

[2:13:26] twenty's. So here is where I

[2:13:28] came earlier in the 2020 is

[2:13:30] probably 2018 we started we

[2:13:31] looked at, we studied for over

[2:13:34] an entire year. We looked at

[2:13:36] the public private partnership

[2:13:37] side. So we went through a

[2:13:41] years long study and some some

[2:13:44] MAY say we over analyzed and

[2:13:44] my opinion. We were at the

[2:13:47] point of over analyzing all of

[2:13:49] this. We brought in every

[2:13:51] expert you could think We

[2:13:55] brought in, you know, finance

[2:13:56] experts. We we put in private

[2:13:59] equity. We brought and on

[2:14:00] brokers from in the area from

[2:14:02] outside the area. We did

[2:14:03] market surveys. We did

[2:14:03] studies. We did test surveys

[2:14:08] with the community. We started

[2:14:10] a master planning process. We

[2:14:12] looked at all of our property,

[2:14:12] every piece of property we own

[2:14:16] in the downtown. We looked at

[2:14:17] selling those at the highest

[2:14:18] possible price that we could

[2:14:20] come up with for appraised

[2:14:22] value and we still couldn't

[2:14:23] get to a number that the city

[2:14:26] could afford on a rebuilt

[2:14:27] that's selling every single

[2:14:28] piece of land we own in the

[2:14:30] downtown. Including parking

[2:14:35] garages. So Twenty-twenty we

[2:14:36] realize that we're just not in

[2:14:39] a place where and at that time

[2:14:43] where rebuild as possible. And

[2:14:45] as cfo Wagner just went over

[2:14:46] and the slide previous to

[2:14:46] this, those numbers even

[2:14:50] gotten larger. Now. In 2025,

[2:14:52] we decided to test the market

[2:14:53] a little bit. Let's see what

[2:14:54] our properties worth. And

[2:14:55] let's see if we sell some of

[2:14:56] the pieces individually rather

[2:15:00] than a whole. Where we would

[2:15:02] come out, too. So we decided

[2:15:04] to put up for sale 6.55, for

[2:15:05] street, which is the West

[2:15:05] America Bank building to see

[2:15:09] what would happen. We received

[2:15:10] after a pretty significant

[2:15:12] amount of time. We received 2

[2:15:15] offers both of the officers or

[2:15:18] so significantly below the

[2:15:19] appraised values that the city

[2:15:21] declined to move forward with

[2:15:24] those. And at that time with

[2:15:24] that told me, in my

[2:15:25] professional opinion, is that

[2:15:30] this? City Hall campus is

[2:15:32] worth more as a whole than it

[2:15:32] is peace million that are

[2:15:34] separating that. Next slide.

[2:15:38] Please. So this slide just

[2:15:41] shows you that we've we've

[2:15:42] tested analyzed, brought in

[2:15:48] every expert. To the Nth

[2:15:49] Degree on rebuilding what we

[2:15:50] could do to rehabilitate this

[2:15:50] campus and what needs to be

[2:15:54] done. We had significant

[2:15:54] amount of studies done

[2:15:57] facilities, study's done

[2:15:58] 100 million dollar liability

[2:15:59] at 6 million dollars a year

[2:16:03] for 30 years. I'm thinking

[2:16:05] it's just it doesn't work for

[2:16:06] the city. We don't. We don't

[2:16:07] have the funds as our cfo tell

[2:16:10] you. Building new on the

[2:16:13] existing site. Like I said, a

[2:16:16] minimum of 82 Million. It's

[2:16:17] probably closer to 100 million

[2:16:20] at this time. And estimating

[2:16:21] 5 million dollars a year for

[2:16:22] 30 years. Again, not a

[2:16:22] sustainable option for the

[2:16:27] city. Next slide. Please. So

[2:16:29] after years and years of

[2:16:30] studies of talking to everyone

[2:16:32] we can talking to every expert

[2:16:39] we came up with a or an

[2:16:39] opportunity for an exchange

[2:16:41] which we want to talk to you

[2:16:43] about tonight. And this

[2:16:45] opportunity is the first

[2:16:46] opportunity I-10 to 12 years

[2:16:48] of working on this that I can

[2:16:51] say is a sustainable

[2:16:53] opportunity and is in my

[2:16:55] professional opinion, a great

[2:16:56] opportunity for the city to

[2:16:59] get out of 100 million dollar

[2:17:01] liability. And let's just say

[2:17:02] that one more time,

[2:17:03] 100 million dollar taxpayer

[2:17:04] liability on this campus. Next

[2:17:07] slide. Please. So what's an

[2:17:12] exchange? I've been asked many

[2:17:13] times what a property

[2:17:14] exchanges. It's exactly what

[2:17:15] it sounds like. So let's think

[2:17:17] of the definition exchange.

[2:17:17] It's you give something you

[2:17:19] get something usually of equal

[2:17:21] value or or becomes of equal

[2:17:23] value. And that's exactly what

[2:17:25] a property changes. So what

[2:17:26] staff is proposing tonight is

[2:17:29] that the city of Santa Rosa

[2:17:30] Exchange, what we call the

[2:17:31] city Hall campus. Now, I'd be

[2:17:32] very specific about what those

[2:17:33] properties are. That is 100

[2:17:36] Santa Rosa Avenue, which is

[2:17:37] the campus that this is

[2:17:42] sitting on today.-1.6 one

[2:17:44] acres. So director Hennessy is

[2:17:46] going to go into this slides

[2:17:48] coming up. But the city is

[2:17:52] keeping keeping full. 1.6, one

[2:17:54] acres of all of the creek

[2:17:57] property. So all of the

[2:17:57] property of Santa Rosa Creek

[2:17:59] and Matanzas Creek that is

[2:18:00] covert under here will remain

[2:18:02] in the government's hands.

[2:18:04] That will provide flexibility

[2:18:05] in the future. So what what

[2:18:06] can be done with those

[2:18:10] properties? So 100 Rose Avenue

[2:18:11] minus a 1.6 acres which we

[2:18:14] will be keeping 90 Santa Rosa

[2:18:17] Avenue 6.55. For street and

[2:18:17] 6.31, 0st street that are all

[2:18:18] the properties here and across

[2:18:19] the street on First Street and

[2:18:23] we would exchange all of those

[2:18:25] properties for 5 23rd Street,

[2:18:26] which is owned by museum on

[2:18:29] the Square llc. That is an

[2:18:30] existing downtown office

[2:18:32] building that meets all of the

[2:18:33] city's needs. And I'll go into

[2:18:39] the next couple of slides. How

[2:18:40] we got to the point of

[2:18:42] recommending this property at

[2:18:43] 5 23rd Street. So where we

[2:18:45] came from is the city have a

[2:18:46] need? Moss has a need and

[2:18:48] desire and the need to line.

[2:18:51] That's the hardest part. A

[2:18:52] finding in exchange property

[2:18:53] that works and needs have to

[2:18:57] align for both. So how this

[2:18:59] fits in the state law. So the

[2:19:00] Surplus Lands Act, which I

[2:19:03] know you've all heard me talk

[2:19:04] about it. Not probably at this

[2:19:05] point. I'm a you have to

[2:19:07] designate this is this is how

[2:19:08] the city governs or how the

[2:19:11] state governs, how governments

[2:19:14] sell property and it has to be

[2:19:15] designated either non-exempt

[2:19:17] surplus land or exempt surplus

[2:19:19] land. There is an exception in

[2:19:22] the state law that in the

[2:19:24] surplus lands out that allows

[2:19:25] and property exchange for

[2:19:29] government use. For agents.

[2:19:32] What they call agency use

[2:19:34] obesity use. So we are asking

[2:19:35] tonight that the council

[2:19:38] declare this property exempt

[2:19:39] surplus land and that we are

[2:19:41] and that allows us to be able

[2:19:44] to exchange that property for

[2:19:44] agency the existing city hall

[2:19:49] property would be transferred

[2:19:50] 2 Mott's llc and then 5 23rd

[2:19:51] Street would be transferred to

[2:19:56] the city for agency use. So it

[2:19:57] all you ation. Here's another

[2:19:59] question. We've got a lot of

[2:20:00] that we wanted to go over is

[2:20:02] how did we get to the

[2:20:03] recommendation of 5 23rd

[2:20:05] Street? There's a lot of

[2:20:06] properties in the downtown

[2:20:07] have. Why did this come out at

[2:20:08] the top of the less? I will

[2:20:10] tell you, this came out far

[2:20:11] beyond any other property. It

[2:20:12] was a no-brainer really to

[2:20:16] bring this one to you we

[2:20:17] looked at all the different

[2:20:19] properties and the downtown.

[2:20:24] So There are we look to bronco

[2:20:26] through first we looked at him

[2:20:27] for size and functionality

[2:20:28] tenant, relocation because

[2:20:29] obviously we don't want to re.

[2:20:31] We don't want to be display

[2:20:34] scene. Commercial tenants more

[2:20:35] than we need to. We want to be

[2:20:37] very careful about that. So a

[2:20:38] building that has 15 people

[2:20:42] and it is not not the best for

[2:20:42] us. Our businesses are very

[2:20:46] important to us. We looked at

[2:20:47] tenant improvement costs.

[2:20:49] Would what condition is the

[2:20:50] building? You know, how many?

[2:20:51] How much money do we need to

[2:20:54] put in nt eyes with that said

[2:20:55] exchange feasibility, not

[2:20:56] everybody's going to want to

[2:20:56] exchange a property or how or

[2:21:00] once a city property and then

[2:21:02] long term city suitability. So

[2:21:02] do we have room for growth and

[2:21:04] what does it look like for the

[2:21:07] future? When we looked at it

[2:21:08] all the properties in the

[2:21:10] downtown, it was important. We

[2:21:12] knew to counsel and we knew

[2:21:13] for staff and and the business

[2:21:14] community. It's those 300

[2:21:17] employees that we have remain

[2:21:18] in the downtown. So we did not

[2:21:18] look outside of the downtown

[2:21:22] area. When we got to size and

[2:21:23] functionality, which was one

[2:21:25] of them that cut the majority

[2:21:26] of the properties out in the

[2:21:29] downtown. They're are not. We

[2:21:30] would have to buy 2 properties

[2:21:31] and most instances to be able

[2:21:35] to. Have enough space to

[2:21:37] situate all of our employees

[2:21:38] that in the downtown now, let

[2:21:39] alone. You know, we wouldn't

[2:21:42] be able to put them together

[2:21:45] so we can, you know, have a

[2:21:45] one-stop shop or any of the

[2:21:48] issues any of that items that

[2:21:49] we want to bring forward for

[2:21:50] the community to make this an

[2:21:53] easier serviceable area.

[2:21:57] Exchange feasibility we had a

[2:21:58] partner, a development partner

[2:22:00] Hugh Futrell and Montel see

[2:22:01] that was interested in

[2:22:03] exchange that wanted to do

[2:22:06] that. And then we had to look

[2:22:06] at costs and disruption. So

[2:22:09] how could we move people

[2:22:13] without disrupting service?

[2:22:14] And that's something that we

[2:22:14] negotiate within the contract,

[2:22:15] which I will talk about a

[2:22:20] minute. So here's the here's

[2:22:22] the crux of the agreement. How

[2:22:23] did we establish fair value?

[2:22:27] So we have a very specific

[2:22:28] business protocol that we do

[2:22:29] in the city with every real

[2:22:30] property transaction that we

[2:22:33] do. And it's based on

[2:22:35] appraisal on outside

[2:22:36] appraisals by qualified

[2:22:38] appraisals. And we stuck to

[2:22:39] that process of which we do

[2:22:40] with every acquisition that we

[2:22:42] do here in the city. And we

[2:22:43] did it again with this one.

[2:22:44] And sometimes we did it with

[2:22:47] multiple appraisals, which is

[2:22:48] very common. So it's very

[2:22:51] common even in right away

[2:22:52] transactions by one Palm Beach

[2:22:55] Party get their own appraisal.

[2:22:56] And then, you know, to go, she

[2:22:56] ate between the 2. And that's

[2:22:57] exactly the same process that

[2:23:00] we followed here. So let's

[2:23:01] start with the Fy 23 Street.

[2:23:03] The appraised value range

[2:23:04] between appraisals was 12.4

[2:23:06] million to 18.7 million.

[2:23:10] Again, that might seem like

[2:23:12] very big Delta to the

[2:23:15] community. That is not it is

[2:23:16] typical for us to see an

[2:23:18] appraisal that there is a very

[2:23:19] big delta between one

[2:23:20] appraisal and the other

[2:23:23] appraisal. It is and my job

[2:23:24] and my staff's job in the city

[2:23:28] manager's job to know and

[2:23:29] understand what the value is

[2:23:31] and to negotiate appropriately

[2:23:31] for the city and for the

[2:23:32] taxpayers and for the council.

[2:23:34] And that's what we did here.

[2:23:38] So we looked at very similar

[2:23:39] properties. We looked like

[2:23:41] what it was going on downtown.

[2:23:45] And we came to a fair value

[2:23:46] that was agreed upon by both

[2:23:48] properties at 15.7 million.

[2:23:49] And I will tell council and

[2:23:50] the community that I think

[2:23:53] this is a very, very

[2:23:55] appropriate value. The

[2:23:57] exchange has to be beneficial

[2:23:58] for both parties. And this

[2:23:59] very beneficial to the city

[2:24:01] and it works for our exchange

[2:24:05] partner. The existing city

[2:24:06] Hall campus. Again, I'll go

[2:24:08] back to my comments before

[2:24:10] that. I truly believe that the

[2:24:11] campus is worth more as a

[2:24:13] whole that it is separately

[2:24:13] the appraised value for the

[2:24:17] city Hall campus has a

[2:24:18] combined to campus was a

[2:24:20] little over 13 million dollars

[2:24:23] when we negotiated this value.

[2:24:24] Again, these negotiate

[2:24:25] somewhere very detailed and

[2:24:27] and extensive when we

[2:24:28] negotiated this a value of

[2:24:31] 11.1 million. We had to take

[2:24:32] other things into

[2:24:35] consideration that were not in

[2:24:37] the appraised So the appraised

[2:24:38] value is going to be exactly

[2:24:39] what the property is worse

[2:24:41] could be in its best

[2:24:43] condition. This is not in its

[2:24:47] best condition during during

[2:24:49] the negotiations. We had

[2:24:50] environmental studies done,

[2:24:50] which we had planned in

[2:24:54] advance to be doing those

[2:24:55] environmental studies just for

[2:24:56] lead and asbestos abatement,

[2:24:57] not even all the other payment

[2:24:59] that needs to be done for

[2:25:01] anybody to do anything with

[2:25:02] this campus came back at 4 and

[2:25:03] a half million dollars. Our

[2:25:06] ada came back at U.S.

[2:25:07] Astronomical number. Those are

[2:25:09] the things that we had to take

[2:25:10] into account for. We're

[2:25:13] keeping 1.6 acres of land. We

[2:25:15] are not transferring that

[2:25:16] land. So that had to come into

[2:25:18] play is also as a reduced

[2:25:22] value. So the 11.1 by 3 value

[2:25:25] I feel is a very fair value as

[2:25:25] well. So when I say net

[2:25:27] exchange differential, what I

[2:25:30] mean is the difference. The

[2:25:32] delta between the value,

[2:25:33] negotiated value of 5 23rd

[2:25:34] Street and then negotiated

[2:25:36] value of existing city Hall

[2:25:39] campus. That is 4.5 million.

[2:25:40] And that is what the city

[2:25:43] would pay to Montz llc at the

[2:25:43] close of escrow for the

[2:25:45] exchange to happen. Next

[2:25:49] slide. Please. What is the

[2:25:51] city gain? The city gains a

[2:25:52] lot. The taxpayers gain a lot.

[2:25:54] I can't harp on this and not

[2:25:57] design or cfo. Really harp on

[2:25:58] is we are eliminating

[2:26:00] 100 million dollar liability

[2:26:00] from the taxpayers from the

[2:26:08] city. We gained so much being

[2:26:11] in one building. It's

[2:26:12] consolidating departments and

[2:26:14] its customer service. It's the

[2:26:16] ability to put a one-stop shop

[2:26:17] and so that we can our

[2:26:21] community can walk in and get

[2:26:22] almost every service that they

[2:26:23] want and one place instead of

[2:26:25] walking into 5 different

[2:26:27] places are having to go here

[2:26:28] or across the street or

[2:26:29] across, you know, wherever

[2:26:32] they need to go. Its strength

[2:26:34] shun strengthens the

[2:26:35] collaboration across city

[2:26:36] services and city departments

[2:26:38] and even allows us to move

[2:26:38] other departments into the

[2:26:40] building that are not to are

[2:26:41] not downtown already. And that

[2:26:45] has. Even more facts, right?

[2:26:47] And it allows us to

[2:26:47] collaborate more with each

[2:26:49] other, which gives us a better

[2:26:50] customer service. It also

[2:26:51] brings a significant even

[2:26:56] more. Employees down to use

[2:26:57] the services to go to the

[2:26:59] businesses, to have to go out

[2:27:00] after work. It helps our

[2:27:04] community and so many ways

[2:27:04] it's it's a some markets, a

[2:27:06] smart community investment

[2:27:08] next slide. Please. Turn this

[2:27:12] over to director Hennessey as

[2:27:15] Joe mentions or keep in about

[2:27:16] 1.6 acres and it's highlighted

[2:27:18] by that image on the scene

[2:27:19] from close to center as Avenue

[2:27:20] looking back towards Nome

[2:27:22] Avenue.

[2:27:23] >> The 1.6 acres is at its

[2:27:25] widest at certain center is

[2:27:27] avenue and then kind of comes

[2:27:29] back through here and almost

[2:27:31] scrapes this corner of the

[2:27:32] building before heading down

[2:27:33] Sonoma to all the way to the

[2:27:36] street. The purpose of the

[2:27:38] retention of this is because

[2:27:40] it has a number of potential

[2:27:44] uses for First and foremost is

[2:27:45] the creek uncovered

[2:27:46] infrastructure that is under

[2:27:50] that that land. Right now. It

[2:27:52] does lot of work for us with

[2:27:56] respect to flood as you know,

[2:27:58] fema has released updated fund

[2:27:59] risk maps that we are

[2:28:00] reviewing in concert with our

[2:28:01] partners at the Sonoma County

[2:28:04] Water Agency for how we're

[2:28:06] going to address those risks

[2:28:08] moving forward. Retention of

[2:28:11] this property gives us a

[2:28:12] number of options to do that.

[2:28:13] And in fact, it gives us the

[2:28:14] same number of options that we

[2:28:16] have today to do that. So

[2:28:18] essentially, by keeping this

[2:28:19] property, there is no change

[2:28:20] to what the city and the

[2:28:22] county collectively can do

[2:28:23] with respect to mitigate flood

[2:28:28] risk in the future. This also

[2:28:29] does provide, you know,

[2:28:30] pointing out towards Juilliard

[2:28:31] Park towards Luther Burbank,

[2:28:33] home and Garden tours to

[2:28:34] intersection of Sonoma Avenue

[2:28:37] and Saint Rose Avenue gives us

[2:28:39] the opportunity for other

[2:28:40] things, too like Placemaking

[2:28:41] we'll be happy to answer any

[2:28:48] questions you have on that.

[2:28:51] >> How we make the move for.

[2:28:53] This another area of where

[2:28:54] really thought through what we

[2:28:56] don't want to disrupt service

[2:28:59] to the public at all. And so

[2:29:00] we had to think about how we

[2:29:01] prepare 5.24 the city to move

[2:29:02] into it. If the council does

[2:29:06] approve this transaction

[2:29:07] tonight, so will need to

[2:29:09] complete design and tenant

[2:29:10] improvements or estimating

[2:29:12] right now that those will be

[2:29:14] between 17 20 Million. But

[2:29:15] those will come back to

[2:29:16] council will make it closer

[2:29:18] for appropriations and for

[2:29:19] review. When we get closer and

[2:29:22] get a more defined dollar

[2:29:24] amount, we'll need to put a

[2:29:26] plan together and relocate

[2:29:29] existing commercial tenants

[2:29:30] and then we need to just

[2:29:32] prepare the space for city

[2:29:33] departments to move into an

[2:29:35] order to do that. We needed to

[2:29:38] lease back on this property

[2:29:40] and that this was another

[2:29:42] thing that we had to take into

[2:29:43] consideration and the value of

[2:29:45] the property. And in the

[2:29:46] exchange partner, we needed to

[2:29:50] be able we can't move 300 or

[2:29:52] 400 people overnight and we

[2:29:53] can't disrupt services like

[2:29:54] that to the community. We have

[2:29:56] to be able to supply those

[2:29:58] services. So Hamas agreed to

[2:29:59] through their negotiations to

[2:30:02] allow us to lease back 2 years

[2:30:03] on this campus at 100 Santa

[2:30:04] Rosa Avenue. So we still

[2:30:06] having these in this chamber

[2:30:07] for 2 more years doing these

[2:30:10] meetings and one year at City

[2:30:12] Hall Annex 90 Santa Rosa

[2:30:13] Avenue. Mostly because most of

[2:30:15] our it operations happened out

[2:30:16] of there and will need time to

[2:30:19] prepare those and move them.

[2:30:22] And and they agreed to lease

[2:30:24] back for a total of $2, but is

[2:30:27] $2 total for all of that lease

[2:30:28] back consideration? And that

[2:30:31] was a big deal for the city.

[2:30:33] And and then the 3rd part is

[2:30:35] we need to consolidate and set

[2:30:37] up our one stop shop. So we're

[2:30:38] not disrupting service. So

[2:30:40] we'll do that. He eyes over in

[2:30:42] the new building. The tenant

[2:30:43] improvements to transition

[2:30:46] people in space into it. When

[2:30:47] the public counter space is

[2:30:50] complete and ready. Then we

[2:30:52] will move public counters from

[2:30:54] here to there. But we won't be

[2:30:55] moving those and tell the

[2:30:56] spaces ready. So there's no

[2:30:56] disruption in service for the

[2:31:00] community. Next slide. The

[2:31:05] other thing is is there's

[2:31:05] closing. So lake, even when

[2:31:07] you now say you're buying a

[2:31:08] house, you come to an

[2:31:08] agreement. You negotiate

[2:31:09] agreement just like we have

[2:31:13] you open escrow during that

[2:31:14] escrow period. You have an

[2:31:15] inspection period. You're

[2:31:16] looking at the house. You're

[2:31:17] looking at the property. It's

[2:31:17] the same thing with an

[2:31:18] exchange agreement or any

[2:31:22] acquisition for that matter.

[2:31:25] So during if council passes us

[2:31:27] tonight during this time and

[2:31:30] when we close escrow, there'll

[2:31:30] be some things that we still

[2:31:32] need to work through and work

[2:31:34] on. So where need to establish

[2:31:36] a process? Tonight's Exchange

[2:31:37] agreement, if you approve this

[2:31:40] also approves it. Iwork letter

[2:31:42] to and establishes a process

[2:31:43] for design, pricing

[2:31:45] construction and tenant

[2:31:45] improvements on 5.20. But it

[2:31:46] does not approve the

[2:31:47] appropriations for that yet.

[2:31:49] So we will be back to council

[2:31:53] and public session to talk

[2:31:55] about the scope and the amount

[2:31:55] and the appropriations that

[2:31:59] will need for that. We need to

[2:32:00] finish up relocation plans

[2:32:01] with the tenants. Help find

[2:32:02] those tenants space if they

[2:32:07] want our help work out, what

[2:32:08] their what they will be

[2:32:09] through the relocations. So

[2:32:12] there is a state relocation

[2:32:13] process that we are mandated

[2:32:15] to follow and which we will

[2:32:16] and which we need to help

[2:32:16] those tenants. And we will

[2:32:17] have some payments to those

[2:32:20] tenants as well for their

[2:32:21] moving expenses. Among other

[2:32:25] things. There was one tenant

[2:32:26] in the building that had

[2:32:29] already had plans to long

[2:32:31] before the city had come into

[2:32:34] play. That one 10, came to us

[2:32:35] and said, would you be

[2:32:36] interested? We'd like to

[2:32:39] leave. Could you take over our

[2:32:39] lease? And we said yes,

[2:32:43] because the hot makes it a lot

[2:32:44] easier for the tenant and for

[2:32:44] the city. We can move some

[2:32:48] staff that we need. We'll need

[2:32:50] to move out of the chamber

[2:32:50] building at the close of

[2:32:52] escrow. So we'll be moving

[2:32:54] some staff from there and here

[2:32:58] and allows us some extra space

[2:33:01] for transition. The city

[2:33:02] assume the lease rent from

[2:33:04] SEPTEMBER first through

[2:33:04] DECEMBER 31st. When we expect

[2:33:09] to close escrow part of

[2:33:09] relocation is an appraisal

[2:33:10] process that we do that we

[2:33:14] hire outside experts for and

[2:33:14] they up raise the cost of

[2:33:15] their fsa. Furnitures and

[2:33:18] fixtures and equipment. And

[2:33:21] then we can either pay to have

[2:33:22] them moved or we can offer to

[2:33:24] purchase sighed equipment. And

[2:33:26] this case they had very nice

[2:33:27] furniture that would work well

[2:33:30] for the city. So we offered

[2:33:32] them 50% of the appraised

[2:33:34] value and they did accept. And

[2:33:37] so the city is paying 55,008,

[2:33:37] 77 for the existing furniture

[2:33:41] and not space for the city to

[2:33:42] go out buy that furniture

[2:33:45] would be much more expensive.

[2:33:48] The assignment in this

[2:33:49] agreement, the assignment of

[2:33:50] the lease would end at the

[2:33:51] close of escrow and there and

[2:33:52] we would let them out of their

[2:33:53] lease and that would be the

[2:33:56] end of any lease payment that

[2:33:57] we have other tenant

[2:33:57] arrangements will and the

[2:34:01] relocation process will keep

[2:34:02] going through through this

[2:34:06] process. The other thing that

[2:34:09] we will need to do and the

[2:34:10] developers asked for is a

[2:34:12] development agreement,

[2:34:13] development agreement has a

[2:34:13] completely separate processes

[2:34:18] of his own. It will come back

[2:34:19] to planning Commission for

[2:34:20] consideration. So we'll work

[2:34:22] on trying to negotiate a very

[2:34:23] draft development agreement

[2:34:27] with the developer. That will

[2:34:28] go to planning Commission for

[2:34:28] their input in for public

[2:34:31] input and a public meeting,

[2:34:33] then it will go to city

[2:34:34] Council twice and a public

[2:34:36] meeting for your input and the

[2:34:38] communities put input again.

[2:34:39] So it's total of 3 public

[2:34:40] meetings and it does have its

[2:34:41] own environmental process.

[2:34:45] Next slide, please. So from

[2:34:51] today until closing today, if

[2:34:52] Council approves the exchange

[2:34:53] agreement, if you authorize

[2:34:54] and you adopt the secret

[2:34:55] findings for the Exchange

[2:34:55] agreement that transaction

[2:34:59] begins. After this. The 85 day

[2:35:01] due diligence period will

[2:35:04] start during that 85 days. We

[2:35:07] will too We will do at a lot

[2:35:08] of testing. We already have.

[2:35:09] It is lined up just in case

[2:35:11] counsel prove said we will

[2:35:13] begin testing on the building

[2:35:13] to make sure that we know all

[2:35:17] of the ins and outs of this

[2:35:19] building. So this is also part

[2:35:20] of how we would set up a

[2:35:23] facilities plan going forward.

[2:35:24] And I think I've mentioned in

[2:35:27] past meetings that we very

[2:35:28] much planned to. This will

[2:35:32] these 2 guys right here. Our

[2:35:33] cfo and director Hennessy will

[2:35:34] bring forward a plan to

[2:35:35] council to probably with the

[2:35:39] budget every year to make sure

[2:35:39] that we have enough money in

[2:35:41] the budget every year to

[2:35:42] properly maintain the new

[2:35:42] building so that we're not

[2:35:43] getting back in the situation.

[2:35:46] We are now. So we'll have

[2:35:47] other things. Relocation

[2:35:50] plans, a stop. Assignments,

[2:35:51] transaction documents that

[2:35:52] will have to that will have to

[2:35:53] work through. Some of those

[2:35:54] will have to come back to

[2:35:56] council for approval. Some of

[2:35:58] those will be under the city

[2:35:59] manager's authority to approve

[2:36:02] her. This exchange agreement,

[2:36:03] the ones that require

[2:36:04] appropriations will be back to

[2:36:07] the city council. Once we

[2:36:09] satisfy all of those

[2:36:12] conditions and we're ready to

[2:36:13] close, we plan to close on

[2:36:13] DECEMBER 31st. That's our

[2:36:18] goal. I should say. The city

[2:36:19] would acquire than 5 23rd

[2:36:21] Street Mott. So we'll see what

[2:36:22] occurred. Why the exchange

[2:36:24] property? The city hall cancel

[2:36:27] the Kent campus. The payments.

[2:36:28] 4.5 million dollars and the

[2:36:31] least back time will begin now

[2:36:34] sometimes with government. We

[2:36:35] don't like this, but we do

[2:36:36] have a lot of regulations. We

[2:36:37] have especially a lot of

[2:36:42] regulations with Acquisition

[2:36:44] process is and this is a type

[2:36:45] of the acquisition process and

[2:36:45] sometimes that causes a delay

[2:36:52] that we don't like so if. Due

[2:36:54] solely to our we have to

[2:36:59] extend escrow. Part of the

[2:37:00] agreement is that we will

[2:37:04] payments. $37,500 a month,

[2:37:04] which would be prorated daily

[2:37:08] if it's a half a month for

[2:37:08] every month that we go over,

[2:37:11] we did put a cap on that at

[2:37:11] $450,000. But its side does

[2:37:17] happen. It could cars the 4.5

[2:37:18] million to be slightly more.

[2:37:23] Next slide. Please. That turn

[2:37:28] this over to our cfo thank

[2:37:30] you, for the remainder of

[2:37:31] these sides, I'm going to get

[2:37:34] into some more of the

[2:37:34] specifics.

[2:37:35] >> Around how this transaction

[2:37:38] is going to proceed. As you

[2:37:40] mentioned, there's a 4.5,

[2:37:41] 5 million dollar difference

[2:37:41] between the exchange

[2:37:42] properties that that she took

[2:37:46] us through. The overall

[2:37:48] implementation costs of 17 to

[2:37:49] 20 million dollars. The way

[2:37:50] that I would describe that

[2:37:50] from a finance perspective is

[2:37:53] that's being fully burdened.

[2:37:55] So given analogy, when I

[2:37:55] bought my first house, we

[2:37:57] bought the house and we didn't

[2:37:58] have the money for the couch

[2:37:58] and the moving expenses and

[2:38:00] all that stuff. We're not

[2:38:02] doing that here. We are fully

[2:38:05] baking in all of the moving

[2:38:07] expenses, the tenant

[2:38:08] improvements that are going to

[2:38:09] happen in the building. The

[2:38:10] architectural designs, the

[2:38:11] professional services that are

[2:38:13] going to be needed. We'll add

[2:38:14] that. I think we're going to

[2:38:16] be on the low end of that

[2:38:19] estimate. We've put together a

[2:38:20] very thoughtful, well baked

[2:38:22] planted to kind of make that

[2:38:24] all there. At the end of the

[2:38:26] day, we're anticipating the

[2:38:27] ongoing expenses to the

[2:38:28] general fund to be around a

[2:38:29] little less than 1 million

[2:38:31] dollars. What we're going to

[2:38:32] do is we're gonna have to go

[2:38:34] out and raise some debt for

[2:38:34] this. There's different debt

[2:38:35] tools that we can use as a

[2:38:37] city to be able to finance

[2:38:40] that I can say publicly. Now

[2:38:42] it's about public knowledge.

[2:38:43] I've been meeting with rating

[2:38:46] agencies recently. We are very

[2:38:46] credit worthy where a very

[2:38:47] strong financial positions to

[2:38:49] be able to take this action

[2:38:49] based on the strength of our

[2:38:57] community. Let's drill down on

[2:38:59] the specifics just a little

[2:39:00] bit more. The 4.5 million

[2:39:03] dollars worth of the exchange

[2:39:05] amount council has already

[2:39:07] assigned to fire 4.5 million

[2:39:10] dollars of that money. This is

[2:39:10] prior council action to

[2:39:12] address facility needs in the

[2:39:15] city that we're allocating in

[2:39:19] this way. That's best to use

[2:39:20] of those funds. We're asking

[2:39:22] for an additional less than

[2:39:23] $50,000 as part of this action

[2:39:26] to meet that differential

[2:39:27] difference of the 4.5 versus

[2:39:32] the 4 points. 5, 4, 6, As Joe

[2:39:34] mentioned, there's going to be

[2:39:35] around little let little more

[2:39:38] than $80,000 with additional

[2:39:39] expenses tied to the take over

[2:39:42] of the lease at the new

[2:39:42] property to get some office

[2:39:46] space for us right away. And

[2:39:46] to have smoother transition

[2:39:47] with one of the established

[2:39:51] tenants. Are you mention less

[2:39:53] than a million dollars of

[2:39:54] ongoing annual costs spread

[2:39:54] over potentially what would be

[2:39:58] 30 years? Key to that number

[2:40:01] is a number that we spoke

[2:40:02] about earlier. 1 million

[2:40:05] dollars is a lot less than

[2:40:07] 6 million dollars. That is

[2:40:07] something that comes up very

[2:40:09] frequently in these

[2:40:09] conversations. But as point

[2:40:13] important point out,

[2:40:15] fundamentally, today's action

[2:40:15] is about maintaining in

[2:40:17] safeguarding the services that

[2:40:18] we're providing to the

[2:40:20] community. Joe mentioned

[2:40:24] there's going to be a $2 lease

[2:40:25] back. I will share that. There

[2:40:27] was coincidentally a $2

[2:40:28] donation to the city today

[2:40:30] over at the revenue counter.

[2:40:33] Sam Davis is ready to receive

[2:40:34] that money. But overall we'll

[2:40:35] be able to lease back this

[2:40:40] property for $2 that's a great

[2:40:41] deal for us because it's going

[2:40:42] to give us transition time

[2:40:44] that we're going to need as an

[2:40:46] organization to execute this

[2:40:48] move in all of the complicated

[2:40:49] ways they're going to happen

[2:40:54] potentially after today. So

[2:40:56] today's council action just to

[2:40:57] summarize is is asking council

[2:41:00] to declare an exempt surplus

[2:41:03] land adopt an example exempt

[2:41:03] surplus Land resolution

[2:41:05] declaring the identified

[2:41:07] exchange property exempt a

[2:41:09] surplus land make the required

[2:41:10] sequel. Findings and second

[2:41:14] approve the exchange adopt the

[2:41:15] exchange agreement resolution

[2:41:16] approved the real property

[2:41:18] sheens agreement with Montel c

[2:41:20] adopt the secret findings

[2:41:22] authorize the city manager to

[2:41:23] execute these change agreement

[2:41:25] and all related transaction

[2:41:28] docks. I will give a brief

[2:41:29] closing on any subject that

[2:41:31] has been talked about at this

[2:41:32] South table for decades and

[2:41:39] for a very long period of time

[2:41:39] like the actions council has

[2:41:41] been taking over the past 3

[2:41:45] years. This is a big swing on

[2:41:47] an area of deep, deep need in

[2:41:49] our city. These large

[2:41:51] liabilities that are in the 9

[2:41:52] figures like the one we're

[2:41:53] addressing today have real

[2:41:54] impact on the way that we're

[2:41:56] able to provide service to our

[2:41:57] community and our budget

[2:41:59] issues that honestly we've

[2:42:00] been facing now for the past 3

[2:42:03] years. Staff is brought

[2:42:05] forward different resolution

[2:42:09] towards this problem that

[2:42:10] addresses the flaws that have

[2:42:15] made the prior propose actions

[2:42:16] Today's pros actions that

[2:42:17] additional piece of that

[2:42:18] puzzle that we've been putting

[2:42:19] together to help maintain our

[2:42:21] services to the community. And

[2:42:22] with that, I'll turn it over

[2:42:25] to council. I think that's the

[2:42:27] last light. I hope her That

[2:42:31] was that was enough. Thank

[2:42:34] you. So becoming Thank you for

[2:42:35] that. They years of work on

[2:42:35] this on this project. We have

[2:42:37] certain excited from the

[2:42:38] beginning.

[2:42:39] >> We're not going to count

[2:42:40] questions yet. Our rushing to

[2:42:45] turn over to MISTER For trial

[2:42:47] and who is our partner in this

[2:42:47] proposed deal? All right. You

[2:42:50] would you like to take 5 or 6

[2:42:50] minutes and then talk about

[2:42:51] your perspectives on on what

[2:43:02] we're discussing here. There

[2:43:03] it is. I should know. Thank

[2:43:09] you. Mayor and council members

[2:43:10] will be brief thank you for

[2:43:11] taking the time on this.

[2:43:14] >> And thanks very much, too,

[2:43:15] to your staff for professional

[2:43:17] staff for the extremely

[2:43:20] focused, extremely detailed

[2:43:21] work in the course of extended

[2:43:25] period of time, there has been

[2:43:26] yes is in that conversation.

[2:43:28] There have been knows. But

[2:43:31] there's always been logic and

[2:43:33] it has been from my standpoint

[2:43:36] to exemplary experience. Just

[2:43:36] to just very, very, very

[2:43:41] quickly. When my partners and

[2:43:42] I first considered this

[2:43:44] possibility, there were

[2:43:46] reservations. The 5 23rd

[2:43:47] Street building is in certain

[2:43:50] respects and iconic building

[2:43:51] required tremendous capital

[2:43:54] investment on our part. We

[2:43:56] have been very, very reluctant

[2:43:59] to sell the assets that we

[2:43:59] created in the city of Santa

[2:44:00] Rosa. Almost invariably, we

[2:44:03] have kept well, we've built,

[2:44:05] but we will yourselves

[2:44:05] ultimately around to the

[2:44:07] notion that this does make

[2:44:08] sense, make sense for the

[2:44:09] city. It makes sense for for

[2:44:13] ownership. We also had

[2:44:14] concerns that my partners

[2:44:14] expressed to me because I'm

[2:44:18] responsible to a board other

[2:44:22] jurisdictions have What can be

[2:44:23] sure to become train wrecks

[2:44:25] when it comes to evaluating

[2:44:26] expanded the facilities or

[2:44:29] relocations. As a company. We

[2:44:30] did not want to be associated

[2:44:32] with another train wreck.

[2:44:36] There is no train wreck. My

[2:44:39] partner's looked at the

[2:44:40] numbers. I looked at the

[2:44:40] analysis and I was absolutely

[2:44:43] convinced of the precision.

[2:44:44] The diligence, the extreme

[2:44:46] detail of the analysis you've

[2:44:48] now that's for the city to

[2:44:51] decide that's for the public

[2:44:52] to evaluate a counter party.

[2:44:55] But I'm saying that that did

[2:44:56] come into consideration as we

[2:44:57] evaluated this this

[2:45:01] transaction. The second issue

[2:45:05] my partners. Ask Because they

[2:45:06] know my history. They know I'm

[2:45:10] of a certain age. Now they

[2:45:11] also know that the first time

[2:45:13] that I appeared before this

[2:45:14] and before this council in

[2:45:15] this exact council chambers

[2:45:19] almost exactly 47 years ago.

[2:45:20] And there have been 4 e

[2:45:22] projects that my company has

[2:45:23] done here. 12 of them in the

[2:45:24] downtown core, all buildings

[2:45:27] that we've built. We don't

[2:45:28] entitle buildings. We don't

[2:45:30] acquire land except but

[2:45:34] executing the project, MR. Do

[2:45:35] it made a comment about that?

[2:45:36] Our record is very, very

[2:45:40] clear. And that I think the 12

[2:45:40] buildings we built in the

[2:45:42] downtown core, which has been

[2:45:43] a particular emphasis of ours

[2:45:45] has included 5 housing

[2:45:46] projects of news for all all

[2:45:50] income ranges. Downtown

[2:45:54] really, really matters. And

[2:45:55] this is an opportunity from

[2:45:56] our standpoint, apart from the

[2:45:58] economics of the exchange to

[2:45:59] do something special over and

[2:46:00] above the numbers that could

[2:46:04] have major impact on creating

[2:46:04] the sense of residents sense

[2:46:06] of attraction to sensitive

[2:46:12] since of visit this. Let's

[2:46:13] call it the can attract the

[2:46:14] whole community to downtown

[2:46:15] and make downtown thrive. Even

[2:46:18] more. A good part of my career

[2:46:19] has been focused on exactly

[2:46:20] that point. As you as you

[2:46:22] know, and this is an

[2:46:25] opportunity to to help execute

[2:46:26] that difficult cobi other

[2:46:28] partners inevitably involved

[2:46:30] sophisticated and it is a

[2:46:31] collaboration in the in

[2:46:32] between city. There was

[2:46:33] comment about the development

[2:46:34] agreement which is subject to

[2:46:35] further review when the time

[2:46:39] comes. I also want to stress

[2:46:40] something else as we move

[2:46:41] forward. Should you choose to

[2:46:44] approve this exchange? On our

[2:46:47] end contact with the

[2:46:48] community, transparency with

[2:46:49] the community outreach to the

[2:46:52] community to hear what people

[2:46:53] think. What matters. Clearly,

[2:46:55] we have our own ideas at this

[2:46:57] point but to shape that in a

[2:47:00] way that the public likes that

[2:47:00] serves, the needs of the

[2:47:01] community will be fundamental.

[2:47:02] And that has to be a very open

[2:47:06] process. I want to thank the

[2:47:07] staff again, I want to thank

[2:47:08] you for the opportunity. It's

[2:47:10] been a very long opera, very

[2:47:14] long process. I would say look

[2:47:16] forward to whatever decisions

[2:47:18] you in the course of meeting

[2:47:20] today. MR. Trial. Thank you

[2:47:20] very much. Thank you for

[2:47:23] taking time to speak.

[2:47:24] >> All right. Now, as for get

[2:47:25] back to council Rogers

[2:47:28] annually to

[2:47:29] >> Thank you. Hugh stepped

[2:47:31] away. But I think one of my

[2:47:34] questions was why would a

[2:47:34] developer want a development

[2:47:37] agreement? What is that? Mean,

[2:47:38] or what is that insurer for a

[2:47:45] developer?

[2:47:46] >> We're going bring up Ethan

[2:47:46] bk law who is working on this

[2:47:58] for us.

[2:47:59] >> We thank you. Councilmember

[2:48:00] So when a development

[2:48:03] agreement is, is it it's an

[2:48:03] agreement provided for under

[2:48:08] under state law that allows

[2:48:09] developers to have more

[2:48:10] certainty and what they

[2:48:14] ultimately want to develop. So

[2:48:15] what it does is gives the

[2:48:17] developer what's called vested

[2:48:18] rights and what it means is

[2:48:20] generally the developer will

[2:48:23] ebb the opportunity to to to

[2:48:25] build and develop in the area

[2:48:29] in a manner that's consistent

[2:48:30] with the with the rules in

[2:48:34] place today. So when you when

[2:48:34] you give someone when you

[2:48:35] enter into a development

[2:48:37] agreement with the developer,

[2:48:38] they get certainty that the

[2:48:41] rules are going to change when

[2:48:43] they ultimately come forward

[2:48:44] for development. So if there's

[2:48:45] a development agreement per

[2:48:49] term of 10 years, then during

[2:48:51] that 10 year know that they

[2:48:51] are going to be able to

[2:48:54] develop their property

[2:48:55] consistent with those rules.

[2:48:58] And then if it's a there's a

[2:49:00] specific plan amendment or if

[2:49:01] there's a zoning change or

[2:49:07] something like that that won't

[2:49:07] affect their ability to

[2:49:08] develop. And so so that's the

[2:49:10] reason why developer would

[2:49:12] typically wanted development

[2:49:13] agreement. Again, what we're

[2:49:15] dealing with today's just know

[2:49:16] that the property

[2:49:17] transactions. So that's

[2:49:20] something that will come

[2:49:21] forward in the future. But

[2:49:22] that's ultimately there is

[2:49:23] help her looks for something

[2:49:30] like Thank you. And in.

[2:49:31] >> Why would there be a delay?

[2:49:33] I know we're government. Why

[2:49:35] are we giving enough time?

[2:49:38] Because I feel like Christmas

[2:49:41] is going to be here tomorrow.

[2:49:42] So are is there enough time

[2:49:44] with us being government for

[2:49:49] this? Actually, too. Close

[2:49:54] DECEMBER 31st.

[2:49:55] >> And all honesty. I think

[2:49:57] it's tough. It's going to be a

[2:49:58] hard push on our end to get

[2:50:00] all of those things done. Now,

[2:50:01] if everything aligns, we have

[2:50:04] enough time to do the work. We

[2:50:06] don't have control of outside

[2:50:10] things that come up and happen

[2:50:11] in a perfect world. They would

[2:50:16] easily closed by a van I'm

[2:50:17] anticipating my schedule that

[2:50:18] there could be issues that

[2:50:19] come up that we have to deal

[2:50:22] along the way. And so I think

[2:50:23] it is going to be a hard push.

[2:50:30] But this was a very detailed

[2:50:32] important part of the

[2:50:33] negotiation there were some

[2:50:36] parts that that there had to

[2:50:36] be some give and take during

[2:50:37] the negotiation. And so that's

[2:50:38] why staff agree to where we

[2:50:42] are. Okay.

[2:50:46] >> so of the departments that

[2:50:46] potential potentially be

[2:50:50] housed at 5.20. How many are

[2:50:55] currently in least properties.

[2:50:56] >> We do not have any lease

[2:50:57] properties. We don't have

[2:50:58] staff in any lease properties

[2:51:02] at this moment.

[2:51:05] >> In staffing right as we've

[2:51:06] talked about is not had a

[2:51:07] all-time high. Its actually.

[2:51:13] >> At a low. With that and

[2:51:15] hoping to increase in the

[2:51:17] future will 5.20? I gotta get

[2:51:22] used to saying that. Well,

[2:51:25] 5.20, be able to accommodate

[2:51:28] an increase in staffing for

[2:51:28] the departments that we

[2:51:30] believing that will be housed.

[2:51:33] And 5.20.

[2:51:36] >> Have my Ashley anticipated

[2:51:41] this question. So yes, we We

[2:51:42] assuming a growth factor and

[2:51:43] each floor for each

[2:51:44] department, but just to be a

[2:51:47] little more specific about

[2:51:50] this, because I do know

[2:51:51] Councilmember Okrepkie also

[2:51:52] asked this last time at our

[2:51:54] study session. So I wanted to

[2:51:54] have the information available

[2:51:55] for you in the public, which

[2:51:59] is. The city hall campus right

[2:52:00] now. So I'm not talking about

[2:52:01] square footage of talking

[2:52:02] about building square footage.

[2:52:05] So not usable square footage.

[2:52:07] Again, just a square foot each

[2:52:09] building. If you add it all

[2:52:10] together, we have 97,811

[2:52:14] square feet. Of that. We can

[2:52:17] only have people and 82,000

[2:52:22] Square feet. Now of that, what

[2:52:27] is actually usable is 16,

[2:52:29] 5,000 square feet. 65,000

[2:52:31] square feet of 97,000 total

[2:52:31] square feet because of the

[2:52:33] conditions of our buildings

[2:52:36] and the wasted space.

[2:52:36] Honestly, we have a lot of

[2:52:37] leases space in here. You can

[2:52:38] kind of see in the council

[2:52:43] chamber. The new building, the

[2:52:46] usable space and and 5.20,

[2:52:48] there is a 12,000 square-foot

[2:52:49] 4 Square-foot Basin, which I'm

[2:52:52] not I'm not including is

[2:52:53] 75,000 Square feet. So we're

[2:52:56] gaining over 15, almost 16,000

[2:52:58] Square feet. And what we have

[2:53:01] now and that leaves growth

[2:53:02] space. We're also thinking

[2:53:03] about moving things around a

[2:53:05] little bit and MAY not need

[2:53:05] everything in that building.

[2:53:06] But that also allows us.

[2:53:09] >> To move. Additional

[2:53:12] employees. And so we MAY be

[2:53:13] able to, for instance, move

[2:53:16] some of tp w r or you know,

[2:53:18] admin staff from across town

[2:53:21] into this building. So it

[2:53:22] allows the city a good amount

[2:53:27] of flexibility. In my last

[2:53:29] question is there is a lot of

[2:53:34] history that is housed at 5

[2:53:35] 20. So have we determined if

[2:53:36] that history is going to stay

[2:53:40] or is it? Leaving the photos?

[2:53:44] Yes, yes, they are stain

[2:53:45] according to MR. Futrell. They

[2:53:46] go with the building and we

[2:53:49] get to keep those. There's a a

[2:53:51] wall of history of photos and

[2:53:52] the new building that shows

[2:53:54] all of the work they did. It

[2:53:54] starts when it was the 18 team

[2:53:58] building and it shows the old

[2:53:59] like I know you call them

[2:54:00] where you push the buttons and

[2:54:00] picked up the phone or, you

[2:54:03] know, whatever, whatever those

[2:54:05] are called.

[2:54:05] >> It shows the that era and

[2:54:07] then it shows when they bought

[2:54:07] the building and redeveloped

[2:54:08] it where they have these, they

[2:54:12] even have large Sabah leads

[2:54:15] and and that he lcd office

[2:54:16] from these massive saw

[2:54:17] believes they had to use to

[2:54:21] cut into the building and

[2:54:24] create windows months and Mr

[2:54:24] for child did fantastic job

[2:54:26] and lot of work to redevelop

[2:54:26] that for this part benefit.

[2:54:30] Now.

[2:54:34] >> Thank you. Spend Thank you,

[2:54:38] Well, first of all, thank you

[2:54:38] for not only what you brought

[2:54:41] forward today, but for working

[2:54:42] on this for years and years.

[2:54:43] I'm so sorry, but thank you

[2:54:47] for all that. I just have 2

[2:54:50] quick I wanted to ask just a

[2:54:51] little bit. Just really to

[2:54:52] clarify for the public is a

[2:54:53] beginning. A lot of questions

[2:54:56] about the development part. It

[2:54:57] does say in the staff report

[2:55:00] that that's going to be done.

[2:55:01] Seems like it's saying at the

[2:55:02] close of escrow or before the

[2:55:04] close of escrow, if you could

[2:55:05] talk about that the

[2:55:06] development agreement. Yes,

[2:55:08] that will happen before for

[2:55:09] the close of escrow. So we

[2:55:12] will have 3 public meetings,

[2:55:13] one at Planning Commission and

[2:55:14] 2 at City Council where the

[2:55:18] public will have plenty

[2:55:21] chances to have input. The

[2:55:23] planning commission will have

[2:55:23] and put the city council have

[2:55:24] and put before anything is

[2:55:27] adopted. All right. Great.

[2:55:28] Thank you. And then the only

[2:55:30] other thing that would I think

[2:55:31] we've been getting a lot input

[2:55:35] on is the creek. Just wanted

[2:55:36] to ask Doctor Hennessy if you

[2:55:37] talk a little bit more about

[2:55:37] what that's going to look

[2:55:43] like. We don't frankly, based

[2:55:45] on what we're talking about

[2:55:46] today and what we know this

[2:55:48] 1.0, 6, one acres that we

[2:55:49] talked about will look exactly

[2:55:51] like it does today.

[2:55:52] >> All options remain on the

[2:55:53] table to us. Nothing has been

[2:55:55] decided. All we've done a

[2:55:55] separate that land out from

[2:55:56] this exchange so that the city

[2:56:01] keeps it. All options are at

[2:56:02] our disposal. Okay. All right.

[2:56:03] So that that's to be

[2:56:04] determined then. Okay. All

[2:56:07] right. Great. Thank you. Thank

[2:56:12] you, MISTER. Donald. Thank

[2:56:13] you, Mayor, thank you for the

[2:56:14] presentation. I want say up

[2:56:16] front, I'm in full support at

[2:56:17] this exchange.

[2:56:19] >> I think it's critical for a

[2:56:21] lot of different reasons that

[2:56:24] we're moving. And and mostly

[2:56:24] it's a liability of the

[2:56:25] deferred maintenance that we

[2:56:26] have on the current buildings

[2:56:29] that we have the condition of

[2:56:30] our buildings and how that

[2:56:32] results in taxpayer money

[2:56:35] going to basically throw good

[2:56:36] money after some things, bad

[2:56:37] things, Mr for child taking on

[2:56:41] the bad. I just want to make

[2:56:43] sure that when they questions

[2:56:44] come across it's just for

[2:56:45] clarification purposes, not

[2:56:45] because I'm not in support of

[2:56:49] this. When was the last time

[2:56:51] we had a full assessment done

[2:56:52] on the property because the

[2:56:53] site about 100 million dollars

[2:56:55] of of maintenance. But what

[2:56:57] year was that that we had that

[2:57:01] study done the last?

[2:57:01] >> Facilities, complete

[2:57:03] facilities assessment was done

[2:57:06] in 2016. We have escalated

[2:57:08] those What we have added to

[2:57:08] that in pieces. But the last

[2:57:09] complete assessment was 10

[2:57:12] years ago. Okay. So with that

[2:57:14] said, if you haven't done that

[2:57:17] full assessment knowing about

[2:57:18] how much the cost of

[2:57:20] construction has increased

[2:57:21] since 2016, what would your

[2:57:23] guess be if that was more of a

[2:57:24] realistic number?

[2:57:26] >> Of the liability that we

[2:57:28] currently have we escalator

[2:57:28] that number 200 million

[2:57:29] dollars and put the plus sign

[2:57:31] after it because I have no

[2:57:33] idea. It's definitely more

[2:57:34] than 100 million dollars.

[2:57:35] Whether that's, you know, as

[2:57:36] we get into this and it

[2:57:39] uncovered different things.

[2:57:42] Who knows. But I am certain

[2:57:43] that we don't know everything

[2:57:45] we would need to fix today

[2:57:45] until we started fixing it.

[2:57:47] And then we would find out

[2:57:50] more like a true remodel.

[2:57:52] Okay. So that that's I think

[2:57:53] something that's critical for

[2:57:56] us to to also know is that we

[2:57:57] actually don't know the

[2:57:58] potential the cost of what it

[2:57:59] would even costs for us to fix

[2:58:00] this current liability that

[2:58:03] were sitting on the numbers

[2:58:05] that we shared earlier. Our

[2:58:06] best estimates best without

[2:58:07] starting to tear the building

[2:58:09] to part of victim. Okay. And

[2:58:12] so I I think that that's

[2:58:13] something else you mentioned

[2:58:14] that I hadn't heard before was

[2:58:16] the ada.

[2:58:17] >> That hasn't been completed

[2:58:17] in these buildings. You have

[2:58:19] any idea about how much that

[2:58:22] would That assessment was done

[2:58:23] at the same time across the

[2:58:25] full campus. That number was

[2:58:26] on the order at 8 million

[2:58:28] dollars. But that number is 10

[2:58:29] years old. And frankly, so

[2:58:30] this all these buildings were

[2:58:31] built before the adoption of

[2:58:31] the Americans with

[2:58:34] Disabilities Act.

[2:58:35] >> I don't even know how we

[2:58:38] would fix some of the issues

[2:58:38] like, like complete

[2:58:39] reconstruction to make these

[2:58:41] some of these ramps great

[2:58:44] accessible. It would be major

[2:58:45] construction project.

[2:58:46] >> And on the new property, do

[2:58:49] we have any of concerns?

[2:58:51] >> Everything has been updated

[2:58:53] since the adoption of the ada

[2:58:54] approved by city staff through

[2:58:56] that building permit process.

[2:58:57] And so we have no concerns

[2:58:57] really accessible. That's

[2:59:01] right. Thank you.

[2:59:02] >> And so so I am trying to

[2:59:04] make sure that the community

[2:59:07] and all of us know that really

[2:59:08] we have to do something is

[2:59:09] critical at this point because

[2:59:13] of the liability. Scott, you

[2:59:16] mentioned the 4.5 5 million

[2:59:17] dollars that we've already set

[2:59:17] aside in reserves. Was that

[2:59:21] the money that we were going

[2:59:22] to appropriate for starting

[2:59:23] some of the critical needs of

[2:59:28] the campus is right now. Yes,

[2:59:28] thank you for your question.

[2:59:32] COUNCILMAN Member Donald.

[2:59:34] >> Specifically as part of the

[2:59:35] adopted for this current

[2:59:38] fiscal year. The 2026 27

[2:59:39] budgeted. We have been having

[2:59:41] conversations about. Our lack

[2:59:45] of facility funding and now we

[2:59:45] have breaking point and many

[2:59:46] of our facilities. And at

[2:59:50] Point Council's specifically

[2:59:51] directed to assign 4.5 million

[2:59:52] dollars towards this function

[2:59:55] of the city. So so those those

[2:59:57] are those are funds that are

[2:59:58] essentially already accounted

[2:59:59] for as a way to think about it

[3:00:00] from a budgeting accounting

[3:00:03] perspective.

[3:00:07] >> And I see the.

[3:00:08] >> The more like rip back. If

[3:00:10] we're not able to close.

[3:00:12] >> Escrow it says if you'll

[3:00:14] state I got to tell you, it

[3:00:15] feels a little steep on the

[3:00:17] potential of a half a million

[3:00:18] dollars. But when I look at

[3:00:20] this pace, it you're talking

[3:00:24] about. And these back at it

[3:00:25] feels that that's an

[3:00:26] appropriate amount. Keeps a

[3:00:27] fire underneath us and makes

[3:00:28] do our job make sure that

[3:00:30] we're getting these public

[3:00:32] meetings So so I appreciate

[3:00:35] the negotiation. Part of it.

[3:00:38] And and I'm not thrilled about

[3:00:40] that and or that figure. But I

[3:00:43] understand the reason for it.

[3:00:44] So I will just say that not

[3:00:45] happy about that part, but

[3:00:49] other than that great job and

[3:00:52] then finally, Joe, you spoke

[3:00:52] about it in the presentation.

[3:00:53] I know it's something that

[3:00:56] we've talked about several

[3:00:56] times is moving forward. And I

[3:00:58] think this is in a critical

[3:01:00] component for the community to

[3:01:02] know is what policies we going

[3:01:05] to put in place to ensure that

[3:01:05] there's deferred maintenance

[3:01:06] funds appropriated every year

[3:01:08] from the city of Santa Rosa.

[3:01:12] So we don't have 6 decades

[3:01:13] neglecting our buildings. And

[3:01:13] when will that be brought

[3:01:18] forward to us?

[3:01:19] >> You have a chief financial

[3:01:21] officer and a director of

[3:01:23] transportation public works

[3:01:24] who want nothing more than to

[3:01:24] decrease the maintenance

[3:01:27] liability of the city. So

[3:01:29] should this happen. You would

[3:01:31] see this as part of next

[3:01:31] year's budget. Scott, my way

[3:01:35] back highlighting this issue

[3:01:36] continuing a ban women will

[3:01:36] probably asking for something

[3:01:37] else to decrease liability and

[3:01:41] some arena. And I know it's

[3:01:43] not popular to set money aside

[3:01:44] for deferred maintenance, but

[3:01:45] we just don't want to put

[3:01:46] ourselves in this position

[3:01:47] again.

[3:01:47] >> I think that the community

[3:01:51] deserves us to appropriate

[3:01:53] money and their money really

[3:01:55] so that we can take measures

[3:01:57] and set aside money moves

[3:01:59] forward. I know we spoke about

[3:02:02] this specifically during the

[3:02:02] Calpers conversations. Scott

[3:02:06] has that liability goes away

[3:02:06] that potentially in the future

[3:02:08] we would be able to capture

[3:02:10] that. One of my clarifying

[3:02:12] questions around this is the

[3:02:13] cip funds that we set aside

[3:02:15] every single year to do

[3:02:16] deferred maintenance. Dan,

[3:02:19] does a portion of that go to

[3:02:20] our buildings or is that

[3:02:21] strictly reserved for other

[3:02:23] parts of cip? A very small

[3:02:26] portion of The 1.2 million

[3:02:29] dollars from the general fund

[3:02:30] that goes into the ada

[3:02:31] improvements account that can

[3:02:34] be used on city facilities,

[3:02:36] not just for buildings but for

[3:02:37] all city facilities, which

[3:02:38] includes.

[3:02:39] >> Curb ramps and parks and

[3:02:40] other things. So that gets

[3:02:42] stretched thin very quickly.

[3:02:44] That is the only eligible

[3:02:45] funding source that I have

[3:02:47] through Cip to improve city

[3:02:48] buildings. That's very

[3:02:51] helpful. I think for us to

[3:02:52] know from council as well as

[3:02:55] the community to know that

[3:02:55] deferred maintenance funds

[3:02:57] have to come out of general

[3:02:58] fund and that we have to

[3:02:58] appropriate that because you

[3:03:01] cannot just be earmarked as a

[3:03:01] cip.

[3:03:04] >> Funded projects. So I

[3:03:05] appreciate that. And I want to

[3:03:07] commend all of you for

[3:03:08] bringing information forward

[3:03:09] so that it's an understanding

[3:03:12] that it's not just a swap of

[3:03:16] property, but that this is a

[3:03:18] fiscal decision really for the

[3:03:20] council to make for community

[3:03:24] and and to me, this makes

[3:03:26] financial sense for us. I know

[3:03:27] the 6 million dollars a year

[3:03:29] that we need to appropriate to

[3:03:30] go down to 1 Million. That's a

[3:03:33] pretty easy math equation. The

[3:03:34] savings that we won't be

[3:03:35] needing to appropriate from

[3:03:36] the general friend looking at

[3:03:38] our deficit. So thank you for

[3:03:41] laying it out the way that you

[3:03:42] did. I don't really have any

[3:03:43] more questions other than I'm

[3:03:45] I'm hopeful that you'll get

[3:03:46] the direction that you need

[3:03:47] from council today and not be

[3:03:49] in favor of it. Thank you.

[3:03:52] Anything else from council?

[3:03:53] All right. Members of the

[3:03:54] public, this is your chance.

[3:03:57] We'll start with people in

[3:03:58] council chambers.

[3:04:00] >> Beginning with looks like

[3:04:00] Abby Arnold, Richard Carlisle

[3:04:05] and Derek Stephen.

[3:04:06] >> There's been ongoing might

[3:04:09] not want to have listed here.

[3:04:09] Duane Shedding some stuff. You

[3:04:14] folks beat you to punch.

[3:04:16] Richard and Eric Abbe, go

[3:04:17] ahead.

[3:04:20] >> Good Evening Council and

[3:04:21] mayor, I'm representing Santa

[3:04:24] Rosa Yimby tonight. An all

[3:04:25] volunteer organization of over

[3:04:28] 500 Santa Rosa residents. We

[3:04:30] are very pleased to support

[3:04:32] the proposed exchange

[3:04:34] agreement, which we think if

[3:04:36] done right will quickly bring

[3:04:39] more people downtown, save a

[3:04:41] lot of money for the city and

[3:04:43] uncover Santa Rosa Creek,

[3:04:46] which is long hidden under

[3:04:48] this building. We some

[3:04:48] recommendations for the

[3:04:52] development agreement, but in

[3:04:52] the interest of time and

[3:04:55] moving ahead with this

[3:04:56] tonight, I refer you to our

[3:04:57] written comments and we will

[3:05:00] be there at your community

[3:05:01] meetings. Thank you so much.

[3:05:04] And please approve it.

[3:05:05] >> Thank you. MISS Arnold.

[3:05:06] Thank you. Center is a would

[3:05:13] say it's Richard and Derek.

[3:05:13] >> The mayor.

[3:05:14] >> Members of the Richard

[3:05:17] Carlisle. I'm retired civil

[3:05:21] engineer and urban planner.

[3:05:23] I'm very much favor of this

[3:05:26] exchange. I was a young

[3:05:29] engineer 50 some years ago.

[3:05:32] Doing working for the

[3:05:33] engineer. That was the urban

[3:05:35] renewal engineer. So I did a

[3:05:42] lot of this.

[3:05:42] >> I connected designed the

[3:05:47] street. The connected.

[3:05:48] Mendocino Avenue was Santa

[3:05:52] right through the square. And

[3:05:53] 50 years later, I got to

[3:05:54] design debris, put the square

[3:05:57] back together again. And the

[3:05:58] same thing with Prince

[3:06:00] Memorial Greenway. I was able

[3:06:03] to do the redesigned that.

[3:06:09] This is your front porch. You

[3:06:10] have to have good urban

[3:06:15] design. This is another chance

[3:06:18] to make it right. Well,

[3:06:19] there's opening it up with the

[3:06:25] creeks. Obviously some housing

[3:06:29] can be put on this. And I'm

[3:06:32] glad that we got a local

[3:06:32] developer. Hugh Futrell who

[3:06:33] has a track record. He

[3:06:34] understands what the city

[3:06:37] wants, what the city needs.

[3:06:38] But remember, this is your

[3:06:39] front porch. You can put all

[3:06:40] the bedrooms on the front

[3:06:45] porch. I think it's really

[3:06:50] important. That you some

[3:06:52] public input. You get good

[3:06:57] urban in on this. On the map.

[3:06:59] Thank you.

[3:07:00] >> MR. Cole, thank you very

[3:07:04] much.

[3:07:07] >> Council, thank you so much

[3:07:10] for the opportunity to speak.

[3:07:11] Derek Stephen, Real chore and

[3:07:12] resident long time in the

[3:07:15] Jaycee neighborhood. Very much

[3:07:17] would like to say thank you to

[3:07:19] staff and 2 consultants for

[3:07:22] this report. It's a very

[3:07:24] meaningful report to have at

[3:07:24] this juncture of time in our

[3:07:28] history in Santa Rosa, I will

[3:07:31] urge the council to consider

[3:07:32] this unanimously as this is an

[3:07:34] important historic moment and

[3:07:37] the city of Santa Rosa and the

[3:07:39] son of George and Stevan

[3:07:40] architect now deceased. But he

[3:07:40] appeared in these council

[3:07:44] chambers over many years and

[3:07:45] supported many local projects

[3:07:46] as an architect in the

[3:07:48] downtown core and residential

[3:07:50] designs. And but they and

[3:07:52] beyond one of the things that

[3:07:55] I think this report from staff

[3:07:57] and consultants is highlighted

[3:08:00] is not only cost savings, but

[3:08:05] it's a social value and this

[3:08:07] is in transit to the community

[3:08:08] and to civic pride, but also

[3:08:11] civic use for many generations

[3:08:12] to come. I would definitely

[3:08:17] like to urge the design team

[3:08:18] in future generations of use

[3:08:19] of this building to look at

[3:08:23] the tops base. I don't know

[3:08:23] the engineering. Certainly,

[3:08:25] sir, you would. And MR.

[3:08:29] Trailwood. But a roof garden

[3:08:32] for the public and staff to

[3:08:34] use in the throes of Kaiser

[3:08:36] Permanente's Roof Garden in

[3:08:38] Oakland. When I was a member

[3:08:39] of the team at Kaiser, we

[3:08:42] enjoyed it quite extensively

[3:08:45] on the top of a parking garage

[3:08:46] and was built because MR.

[3:08:47] Henry j Kaiser said build a

[3:08:49] roof garden for people to use

[3:08:51] and was open for the public

[3:08:52] and perhaps that could happen

[3:08:54] here in Santa Rosa. Another

[3:08:55] beautification project. And

[3:08:56] lastly, my mom, Terri,

[3:09:00] Stephen, is a big proponent of

[3:09:01] keeping. The fountains are

[3:09:02] bringing them back to

[3:09:02] courthouse square. So where

[3:09:04] are those mountains are? If

[3:09:04] they could come back? That

[3:09:08] would be great. Thank you.

[3:09:09] >> Stay tuned, MR. Stephen,

[3:09:09] thank you very much. We're

[3:09:10] going to Betty Andrews and

[3:09:11] then doing too wet that he and

[3:09:17] chambers. Welcome. You have

[3:09:18] the floor. Thank you. Thank

[3:09:20] you, mayor. Members of the

[3:09:21] council.

[3:09:22] >> My name is Betty Andrews.

[3:09:24] I'm a 38 year resident of

[3:09:27] Santa Rosa and I then working

[3:09:28] throughout that time as a

[3:09:29] professional civil engineer

[3:09:30] had an opportunity to work

[3:09:32] with my friend and neighbor,

[3:09:34] MR. Carlo, who you just heard

[3:09:40] from back at the beginning of

[3:09:41] focus on Santa Rosa Creek and

[3:09:44] the possibility of lightening

[3:09:45] this feature of our downtown

[3:09:50] area. I worked on that Creek

[3:09:51] Masterplan in the early

[3:09:53] 1990's. I worked on Prince

[3:09:55] Memorial Greenway. I also

[3:09:57] worked on the hydrology and

[3:09:58] hydraulics studies that found

[3:10:00] created the foundation for the

[3:10:04] fema flood maps that are

[3:10:06] provisionally out there and

[3:10:07] soon to be adopted for the

[3:10:10] city of Santa Rosa. And I want

[3:10:13] to applaud the staff for

[3:10:14] coming up with a solution. As

[3:10:15] a resident, it's been hard to

[3:10:17] see how we were going to solve

[3:10:17] this problem. So I like

[3:10:20] everything about it. With one

[3:10:21] exception. I'm worried about

[3:10:28] that. 1.6, 1 acres. I do not

[3:10:30] understand the basis for

[3:10:31] director Hennessy's statement

[3:10:34] that all options are

[3:10:36] preserved. It's a very narrow

[3:10:38] corridor that has been set

[3:10:45] aside in this plan. I e do not

[3:10:47] know what analysis developed.

[3:10:50] That number. And that form of

[3:10:53] land to preserve options along

[3:10:59] the creek the Sonoma Water

[3:11:03] staff who have been working on

[3:11:05] solutions for Santa Rosa Creek

[3:11:05] to deal with those culverts

[3:11:11] have not been consulted with

[3:11:12] those cold hurts are the

[3:11:12] biggest hydraulic constrained

[3:11:14] in the entire city of Santa

[3:11:18] Rosa. And this is a

[3:11:19] generational opportunity to

[3:11:21] make sure we set aside enough

[3:11:23] land to thank. Thank Sanders,

[3:11:37] MR. MR. Do it.

[3:11:41] >> Hello. My name is doing to

[3:11:42] from Rosen. But I've been in

[3:11:43] Santa Rosa all my life. Pretty

[3:11:46] much. Remember the Occidental

[3:11:48] Hotel lasted for 100 years

[3:11:51] until 1976, when urban renewal

[3:11:52] decide they were going to help

[3:11:55] downtown.

[3:11:56] >> So

[3:11:56] >> it's been interesting to

[3:12:00] hear these discussions. One of

[3:12:01] the things that's most

[3:12:02] important for the public to

[3:12:04] evaluate the taxpayer

[3:12:06] liability is give the public

[3:12:07] the actual opportunity to

[3:12:10] speak more at the meetings.

[3:12:12] Taking away the 3 minute

[3:12:15] making it too running

[3:12:15] everything clicks. Everybody

[3:12:19] goes your way is not the best

[3:12:20] way to have the public be

[3:12:21] served. And that's what we

[3:12:24] learned from urban renewal. As

[3:12:28] it stands now. You haven't

[3:12:29] talked much about how museum

[3:12:34] on the square got tnt

[3:12:36] building, which was owned by

[3:12:37] the city of Santa Rosa's

[3:12:39] redevelopment agency in the

[3:12:41] past. And there was a deal

[3:12:43] done for the building to go

[3:12:45] over too. A developer with an

[3:12:45] idea that housing would get in

[3:12:48] there. I went to those

[3:12:51] meetings. I participated. One

[3:12:51] of the things that happens

[3:12:54] when we get a lockstep kind of

[3:12:56] crew like you got here today

[3:12:59] is we're going to lose. We're

[3:13:02] going to lose money. So I ask

[3:13:04] you not to give any money to

[3:13:06] the proposed developer. Just

[3:13:10] do a straight across exchange.

[3:13:11] You've already made your mind

[3:13:13] up to give the land up. So

[3:13:13] don't give any of our taxpayer

[3:13:18] money over. I've watched

[3:13:19] development agreements.

[3:13:22] Violated. I've seen it. I know

[3:13:24] what's going to happen here in

[3:13:26] the future. The taxpayers are

[3:13:26] going to be on the hook for

[3:13:27] things that cost more than

[3:13:29] you've been told and down the

[3:13:31] road. You won't be

[3:13:33] accountable. No one will be

[3:13:34] held accountable. You get to

[3:13:39] walk away. Sadly. Thank you,

[3:13:41] MR. Do Does anybody else in

[3:13:42] council chambers wish to

[3:13:43] speak? Fred, are you making

[3:13:46] your way to the microphone?

[3:13:47] >> Good afternoon. Again. As

[3:13:48] long as I stayed here this

[3:13:49] long, I might as well throw in

[3:13:55] my $0.2. This reminds me of

[3:13:56] Varias complicated decisions

[3:13:59] that I've had to make myself

[3:14:01] with lot of factors. And so it

[3:14:05] seems to me that that the

[3:14:08] staff and and everyone is is

[3:14:09] making reasonable jean here.

[3:14:10] So I think that, you know, I

[3:14:12] don't know problem with that.

[3:14:14] I'd like follow up on Betty

[3:14:16] Andrews comments. Did have a

[3:14:19] chance to meet with want to

[3:14:19] Sonoma. Water's top engineers

[3:14:20] talking about the Central

[3:14:24] Center rose up watershed

[3:14:27] project and the covert there.

[3:14:29] If you look at the future

[3:14:32] modeling with the in the

[3:14:33] Russian River sustainability

[3:14:34] study, that's no more water

[3:14:37] recently did. There's a

[3:14:38] shocking map of of flooding in

[3:14:40] downtown Santa Rosa and then

[3:14:41] engineered told me that was

[3:14:43] all because of the the covert

[3:14:44] that's on that area. That's

[3:14:46] that's the real problem. It's

[3:14:50] not the Matanzas Dam. And so

[3:14:53] that flooded all the way up

[3:14:54] Montgomery Village. And so

[3:14:55] that looks like it could be a

[3:14:57] future serious problem. So I

[3:15:01] think that it would be

[3:15:02] worthwhile with Austin, normal

[3:15:03] water to 10 loss. Step back

[3:15:04] and look at that covert there

[3:15:05] and see if you got enough

[3:15:07] land, maybe you need another

[3:15:09] half acre or what what you

[3:15:11] need to do to make it so that

[3:15:13] that off future flooding map

[3:15:15] would be greatly reduced.

[3:15:17] Thank you. Thank you, Fred.

[3:15:17] Anybody else in council

[3:15:24] chambers, MR. Floor is yours.

[3:15:26] >> a resident here in Santa

[3:15:29] Rosa. I sent a letter last

[3:15:30] week to the council which I

[3:15:34] hope you had a chance to read.

[3:15:36] But I've been an advocate

[3:15:37] liberating the creek since the

[3:15:40] day. I moved here and

[3:15:41] discovered that the creek was

[3:15:44] flowing under our city hall.

[3:15:45] And so I think there's an

[3:15:46] intention here when I began

[3:15:46] talking about the idea of

[3:15:50] integrating the creek, I heard

[3:15:51] from countless people who for

[3:15:53] decades have been advocating

[3:15:53] for the same things. This is

[3:15:54] not a new idea has been around

[3:15:56] for a really long time. To be

[3:15:59] clear, I'm in full support.

[3:16:01] Not just a full 4. I'm in. In

[3:16:03] support in concept of this

[3:16:04] kind of this project of this

[3:16:04] transfer. I appreciate the

[3:16:08] work the city staff has done

[3:16:10] manage are our city's

[3:16:12] financial situation. I in

[3:16:16] fact, support of development

[3:16:17] here, I'd love to see more

[3:16:17] housing. I'd love to see more

[3:16:23] housing on this property but

[3:16:24] last night when the fit that

[3:16:25] the maps were finally released

[3:16:27] to the public. As you heard

[3:16:27] from it. But Andrews was her

[3:16:30] name said so eloquently. We're

[3:16:33] talking about 1.6 acres that

[3:16:35] narrows to incredibly narrow

[3:16:36] degree. We're talking about

[3:16:37] the length of the width of a

[3:16:41] covert, whether or not that

[3:16:42] can accommodate daylighting

[3:16:44] the creek to any meaningful

[3:16:45] way to make that creek real

[3:16:49] part of our community. I'm

[3:16:50] really doubtful. And that's my

[3:16:52] wish that again increase

[3:16:52] creeks team was so some water

[3:16:56] been consulted prior to this.

[3:16:58] I feel like you're all

[3:17:02] probably moving this evening.

[3:17:04] So what I'll simply say to

[3:17:05] staff and of course, the

[3:17:07] developer Emaar for trial is

[3:17:10] to please take a look at how

[3:17:13] that the creek can become a

[3:17:15] centerpiece for the community,

[3:17:16] a benefit to the new

[3:17:17] development that's going to be

[3:17:18] taking place here and really

[3:17:19] become a landmark for Santa

[3:17:22] Rosa. Thank you, Evan, thank

[3:17:22] you. Anybody else in council

[3:17:25] chambers.

[3:17:28] >> Seeing none. Let's go h#

[3:17:28] #

[3:17:29] #

[3:17:29] .

[3:17:29] Does anybody have their hand

[3:17:31] raised? If you are online?

[3:17:32] Yeah. Raise your hand or press

[3:17:35] star 9. Lauren, anybody there.

[3:17:36] >> Thank you, mayor. We

[3:17:39] currently have 2 hands raised

[3:17:41] 3 hands raised. We will start

[3:17:42] with Joey and then next will

[3:17:45] be chops. And then Ellen.

[3:17:48] Julie, I'm going to go ahead

[3:17:51] and enable your permissions to

[3:17:52] speak. You'll hear the timer

[3:17:54] to alert you to the 2 minutes.

[3:17:55] Please go ahead. When you're

[3:17:58] ready.

[3:17:59] >> Hey, there. Can you hear

[3:18:03] me? Yes, we can.

[3:18:06] >> Hello, I want to.

[3:18:07] >> I have good memories in

[3:18:08] these chambers on the Santa

[3:18:11] Rosa resident. My whole life.

[3:18:12] Grateful for the opportunity

[3:18:15] to address city council just a

[3:18:16] few Still there's they can

[3:18:19] pass this on to the board. I

[3:18:20] really want to echo what the

[3:18:23] last speaker said as well

[3:18:27] Indians Andrews about the

[3:18:28] creek and concerned about the

[3:18:31] creek. I want. And in the

[3:18:34] 1950's was a time of concrete

[3:18:35] hazing and channeling. And i

[3:18:36] really and it was before the

[3:18:39] term ecology really existed.

[3:18:42] And here we are in 2026 of

[3:18:44] this great opportunity that

[3:18:45] again, does seem like you're

[3:18:46] going to vote yes on. And I

[3:18:47] think there's a lot of good

[3:18:47] reasons for.

[3:18:52] >> But I would really like you

[3:18:54] I would like to put it in the

[3:18:55] strongest language possible in

[3:18:58] these in this development

[3:18:59] agreement to mandate

[3:19:00] Daylighting the creek

[3:19:04] featuring the creek. I'm

[3:19:05] thinking of South Bend and how

[3:19:09] Mayor Pete Buttigieg groove to

[3:19:10] national prominence with the

[3:19:11] good work he did featuring the

[3:19:12] creek and saying, wait, this

[3:19:15] can be amazing. And building

[3:19:18] on I think some of the

[3:19:19] mistakes made with Prince

[3:19:19] Memorial. Let's learn, let's

[3:19:23] learn from what many

[3:19:26] municipalities have done and

[3:19:26] let's fate have the building's

[3:19:27] faced a creek really again

[3:19:30] featuring it as an asset. If

[3:19:32] anybody's looking for good

[3:19:33] summer read just finished one

[3:19:38] called. Is a river, a life. By

[3:19:39] Robert McFarland. And he's got

[3:19:43] a really good section. Kind of

[3:19:47] some what I'm saying here. So

[3:19:48] again, the I have some

[3:19:50] skepticism about the 1.6 one

[3:19:50] acres as well. I'd like you to

[3:19:53] take a closer look at that.

[3:19:54] And I do think is great idea

[3:19:57] and a great project, but let's

[3:19:58] do it right. Once in a

[3:19:58] generation opportunity to

[3:20:01] shake your time.

[3:20:08] >> Thank you, Joey. Next will

[3:20:09] be chops teen club followed by

[3:20:14] Allen. Chop Simon, a billing,

[3:20:15] your position, your

[3:20:18] permissions.

[3:20:19] >> Hi, good evening, MR. Mayor

[3:20:20] members of the council, my

[3:20:23] name is Kevin Anderson. And

[3:20:23] then in the West and Historic

[3:20:26] District of Santa Rosa also

[3:20:26] work in the downtown core is a

[3:20:28] program director at Trump's

[3:20:30] team club and then many

[3:20:31] interactions with many of you

[3:20:32] and respect the time and

[3:20:33] energy put you put into making

[3:20:34] the city quite a good place to

[3:20:35] live. But Santa Rosa can be

[3:20:38] better, much better. It is

[3:20:38] empty each of you to recognize

[3:20:41] the opportunity. You have. The

[3:20:42] amenities we have here in

[3:20:44] Santa Rosa can rival any other

[3:20:46] city here we have a small town

[3:20:47] feel of the big count energy,

[3:20:49] however, as many of already

[3:20:50] mentioned, fly under the

[3:20:51] radar. And there's one major

[3:20:53] reason our downtown has been

[3:20:54] gutted for multiple urban

[3:20:56] renewal projects gone wrong.

[3:20:57] None of you made the choice to

[3:20:59] the most historic buildings.

[3:21:02] My for Courthouse squares,

[3:21:03] destroy the walkability on the

[3:21:04] housing connection. Here we

[3:21:07] are over 50 years later with

[3:21:09] an opportunity to bring that

[3:21:11] to downtown that charm. Not

[3:21:12] only must we like the Santa

[3:21:14] Rosa Creek. We must make it a

[3:21:16] prominent feature. The

[3:21:17] downtown landscape. Somebody

[3:21:19] mentioned bend. But you can

[3:21:21] also think about Creek in

[3:21:22] Libya, Park and downtown kind

[3:21:23] of the San Francisco

[3:21:23] Embarcadero after the 89

[3:21:28] quake. Madonna utilize the

[3:21:29] creek path from the West and

[3:21:29] the Sonoma Avenue for our

[3:21:33] daily by commute to school

[3:21:34] birds. Fish river otters are

[3:21:34] just a few of the amazing

[3:21:38] gives. We get daily. Urge you

[3:21:39] to not let opportunity slip

[3:21:43] away on it. I love the words,

[3:21:44] MISTER Hugh, for tell. And I

[3:21:45] totally agree. This can be a

[3:21:45] game-changer for downtown

[3:21:47] Santa Rosa. He talked about

[3:21:49] contact with the community of

[3:21:50] transparency shape than we the

[3:21:54] public like I love this. But

[3:21:56] we need to make daylighting

[3:21:56] binding condition. Not an

[3:21:59] aspiration set design standard

[3:22:00] creekside development that

[3:22:02] faces the creek. And let's

[3:22:03] look at the whole space with

[3:22:05] the other John o'Shea, federal

[3:22:05] building next door. Look at

[3:22:08] the whole thing. In a minimum

[3:22:10] up, John mentioned this a

[3:22:12] minimum, the public design

[3:22:14] process even well publicized

[3:22:15] workshop. Before we go into

[3:22:15] any development agreement.

[3:22:20] Thank you.

[3:22:21] >> Thank you. Next will be

[3:22:28] Ellen. Helen. I'm going to.

[3:22:29] Enable your permissions to

[3:22:30] talk. Please go ahead when

[3:22:35] you're ready.

[3:22:37] >> Thank you. Very impressed

[3:22:39] by all the work that has gone

[3:22:41] into this and appalled by

[3:22:45] deferred maintenance. How

[3:22:48] overall it seems to be

[3:22:49] excellent agreement. However,

[3:22:51] I agree the creek is a

[3:22:52] sticking point. Literally a

[3:22:53] sticking point. When you

[3:22:57] speak, has it covered? I'm

[3:22:58] absolutely in favor of

[3:22:59] daylighting. I think making

[3:23:02] features wonderful. But far

[3:23:06] beyond that, the call Kids k.

[3:23:10] Liability far beyond perhaps

[3:23:12] 100 million considering was

[3:23:13] happening with our climate and

[3:23:14] what floods have taken place

[3:23:17] in other areas. So I do think

[3:23:21] the while this he's obviously

[3:23:26] on track to happen tonight.

[3:23:29] You have something that case.

[3:23:30] Huge and needs to be addressed

[3:23:38] here.

[3:23:41] >> Thank you, Ellen. And I am

[3:23:44] seeing there hands raised on

[3:23:48] zoom.

[3:23:49] >> Wonderful. Thank you.

[3:23:52] Alright, we will bring it back

[3:23:53] to before we open it up to 2

[3:23:56] to thoughts here. All right.

[3:23:57] Some several several of the

[3:23:58] speakers did raise an

[3:24:01] important issue. And one of

[3:24:02] the city is well aware of it

[3:24:03] as the importance of this site

[3:24:05] and that creek for flood

[3:24:07] control. And we certainly

[3:24:09] wouldn't want more get out

[3:24:10] there that that we were not in

[3:24:12] touch regularly with Sonoma

[3:24:14] Water. Fact I myself is with

[3:24:16] the snow water team at the

[3:24:16] Matanzas Stammer

[3:24:17] rehabilitation discussion just

[3:24:20] a week ago. We are well aware

[3:24:21] the fema fund, fema flood maps

[3:24:21] we've been doing with those

[3:24:25] for a couple years now. Are

[3:24:26] centers of water team has been

[3:24:28] noise is constant focus on

[3:24:30] this issue. Dan, very briefly

[3:24:32] can use can use confirmed for

[3:24:33] the public that we we do have

[3:24:35] flood control issues in mind.

[3:24:36] We're well aware of the

[3:24:37] importance of of this

[3:24:38] particular particular section

[3:24:39] of covert. Now want to

[3:24:41] highlight that. The 1.6 one

[3:24:42] acres that we mentioned is not

[3:24:44] a random number. We've done

[3:24:44] surveys out there to know

[3:24:47] exactly where the culverts

[3:24:49] are. We've kept an amount of

[3:24:51] land be on the edge of the

[3:24:52] culverts to give us

[3:24:52] flexibility in terms of what

[3:24:53] we do in the future.

[3:24:56] >> And so like I mentioned,

[3:24:58] respect to the land available

[3:24:59] where where the culverts

[3:24:59] currently exist. All options

[3:25:03] are on the table to anything

[3:25:04] that would happen on this

[3:25:05] property. We would still have

[3:25:07] to move some somebody out of

[3:25:07] the way these buildings out of

[3:25:09] the way to make something else

[3:25:12] happened. We have now from the

[3:25:14] edge of property that we're

[3:25:14] keeping to the exchange

[3:25:16] agreement all the way into

[3:25:17] Sonoma Avenue. If we need to

[3:25:18] to reconfigure and make things

[3:25:20] happen. So there are still

[3:25:22] lots of options on the table

[3:25:24] and frankly conditioning any

[3:25:27] of that on MR. Futrell would

[3:25:28] make exchange agreement fall

[3:25:33] apart keeping us with the

[3:25:34] property allows us flexibility

[3:25:35] of that land moving forward.

[3:25:36] Perfect. Thank you. And I

[3:25:37] think that underlines as well

[3:25:39] for the public is rightfully

[3:25:40] interested in the creek as all

[3:25:43] of us here are.

[3:25:44] >> How complicated and how

[3:25:46] public and how frequent those

[3:25:47] conversations are going to be.

[3:25:47] That is not going to that.

[3:25:49] That's not gonna be a simple

[3:25:50] meeting or 2. That's gonna be

[3:25:51] a long discussion of how that

[3:25:53] and how that creek is best

[3:25:53] best used for the city. So

[3:25:55] absolutely. Stay tuned with

[3:25:56] that. Let's go back to

[3:26:02] council. Final final thoughts.

[3:26:03] What I'm looking for, a

[3:26:07] motion. And I think I think

[3:26:09] I'm looking at Rogers. Yes,

[3:26:10] there we

[3:26:14] >> I would just like to thank

[3:26:17] staff Thank Not llc. Thank

[3:26:21] you. The consultants and thank

[3:26:23] the mayor for allowing me to

[3:26:23] make this motion because this

[3:26:27] is a very historical like the

[3:26:30] meeting because I'm just so

[3:26:32] excited. And at the potential

[3:26:35] what is about to transpire. So

[3:26:37] with that, I would like to

[3:26:38] make a motion to adopt 2

[3:26:39] resolutions as presented by

[3:26:40] staff in way.

[3:26:45] >> Are there?

[3:26:46] >> Reading of the trading of

[3:26:49] the attack saying it.

[3:26:50] >> he's got that, this is how

[3:26:54] excited we are. People. We are

[3:26:55] we good with the motion a

[3:26:58] second. MADAM City clerk. All

[3:26:58] right. If that passes muster,

[3:26:59] then let's let's call the

[3:27:02] roll.

[3:27:03] >> Call thank you, Mayor

[3:27:05] Councilmember Rogers Side,

[3:27:07] Councilmember I councilmember

[3:27:08] Fleming Councilmember Ben

[3:27:11] Willows. Yes, Councilmember

[3:27:12] office.

[3:27:12] >> All say is a kids play to

[3:27:14] most of the critical center is

[3:27:17] a I don't care how old I If

[3:27:19] it's over earth and shown I

[3:27:23] will be in that creek. So

[3:27:24] >> Thank you. Vice Mayor

[3:27:26] Okrepkie I mayor step yes. But

[3:27:27] the record show this passes

[3:27:31] unanimously.

[3:27:32] >> That that is worthy of a

[3:27:33] little lies. All right. A big

[3:27:34] swing, indeed. Thank. Thank

[3:27:35] you, city team for getting to

[3:27:39] this point. So after

[3:27:40] consulting with my colleagues

[3:27:41] were going to power on just to

[3:27:42] show that the city of Santa

[3:27:44] Rosa never rests even when

[3:27:45] we're going in getting into

[3:27:48] our 4, go back to our public

[3:27:51] comment on non agenda matters.

[3:27:54] Our first public comment and

[3:27:55] gender matters. And those of

[3:27:56] you heading for the door. Be

[3:27:57] aware that we've got exciting

[3:27:59] items left to come. We're

[3:28:01] talking about storm water

[3:28:03] charges. Yeah, no, no. Need to

[3:28:06] rush hour. But first. First,

[3:28:07] this is your chance to to to

[3:28:09] make public MAY comment on it

[3:28:13] was not listed on the agenda.

[3:28:14] Anybody in council chambers is

[3:28:16] not simply walking towards the

[3:28:17] door was to make comment

[3:28:17] items, not just on the agenda

[3:28:20] Fred. Even kick us off. All

[3:28:21] right. Bring some order to the

[3:28:27] room, Fred. Here you're out.

[3:28:29] >> Again, been sort of new to

[3:28:32] Santa Rosa and I felt like

[3:28:34] coming to the city council is

[3:28:34] kind of like visiting the

[3:28:42] Oracle of Delphi the council

[3:28:44] someone inscrutable and my

[3:28:44] journey find the Isle of

[3:28:48] Equity in a just society. I

[3:28:48] have found that the Oracle to

[3:28:52] be tremendously transparent.

[3:28:53] But this evening, I have to

[3:28:56] say that I was very impressed

[3:28:57] with councilmember well as

[3:28:58] comments and really appreciate

[3:29:01] that. Thank you very much.

[3:29:03] >> Thank you, Fred and Oracle

[3:29:04] Delphi. Appreciate that. All

[3:29:05] right. We're going ebb economy

[3:29:08] and then to Wayne Ave Europe.

[3:29:13] >> Mayor and council members.

[3:29:14] >> I am.

[3:29:14] >> Here tonight to invite each

[3:29:17] of you to participate in this

[3:29:20] year's a week without driving.

[3:29:22] It's Thursday, OCTOBER, first

[3:29:25] through Wednesday, OCTOBER

[3:29:29] 8th. And it's a national

[3:29:30] observation the use

[3:29:34] alternatives to cars each year

[3:29:36] we ask elected officials and

[3:29:36] community leaders to

[3:29:39] experience the world as this

[3:29:40] experience by about 30% or

[3:29:44] more of your constituents who

[3:29:45] are dependent on public

[3:29:47] transportation options walking

[3:29:49] and biking. These are your

[3:29:51] constituents who are too young

[3:29:55] to old physically unable

[3:29:56] financially, unable or legally

[3:29:59] unable to have a personal car

[3:30:01] to drive wherever they need to

[3:30:03] be. Even if you are only able

[3:30:07] to participate for one or 2

[3:30:09] days, we really urge you to

[3:30:10] make the commitment and try to

[3:30:13] get around without a car for

[3:30:15] day or 2 during the week

[3:30:17] without driving. I hope you'll

[3:30:20] join North Bay Transit Rise

[3:30:22] Riders in experiencing are

[3:30:24] wonderful biking and walking

[3:30:26] assets as well as our local

[3:30:28] public transportation and that

[3:30:29] when you're doing that, you

[3:30:31] can note any needed

[3:30:34] improvements and you can

[3:30:36] recognize those parts of the

[3:30:38] system that are so wonderful

[3:30:41] and that deserves your

[3:30:42] recognition. Santa Rosa is

[3:30:44] proud to be part of this

[3:30:44] national movement. I'll be

[3:30:45] writing about it for

[3:30:48] Streetsblog again this year.

[3:30:49] And again, the dates are

[3:30:50] Thursday, OCTOBER first

[3:30:53] through Wednesday, OCTOBER 8.

[3:30:54] And if you let me know, I'll

[3:30:57] make sure that you get talked

[3:30:58] about your experiences

[3:30:59] described.

[3:31:02] >> Nationally through streets

[3:31:03] plot. Thank you. Thanks for

[3:31:04] organizing, Connie, Dwayne and

[3:31:06] then Daniel Daniel.

[3:31:10] >> Connie, welcome.

[3:31:10] >> Thank you. This is in

[3:31:13] regards to the city naming

[3:31:14] department. I was here

[3:31:15] starting this several years

[3:31:15] ago and spoke to some eu

[3:31:18] council members that had.

[3:31:20] >> The city naming department

[3:31:20] kinda revises. We're going to

[3:31:23] try get through this anyways.

[3:31:27] This is in regards I'm a Santa

[3:31:28] Rosa resident submitting this

[3:31:28] request regarding an unnamed

[3:31:30] trail in Highland Park. My

[3:31:31] friend Rick for Ella took his

[3:31:33] life on the trail and Memorial

[3:31:36] Tree and rocket already been

[3:31:37] approved by the centers are

[3:31:41] commissions and the city Rick

[3:31:41] was born and raised in center

[3:31:42] isn't spent. Most of us live

[3:31:46] in this community. And in how

[3:31:48] were fired from young age he

[3:31:49] carved in the trail and in the

[3:31:50] main trails with youth groups,

[3:31:53] friends and adults. The park

[3:31:53] was his happy place who works

[3:31:57] as a local contractor in the

[3:31:57] area getting freeway wall

[3:31:59] schools, public buildings,

[3:32:01] private residents throughout

[3:32:03] Santa Rosa. Many people

[3:32:03] recovered. Howard Park knew

[3:32:06] him as doing bike tricks from

[3:32:07] Pharma says this petition

[3:32:10] seeks to name the name trail

[3:32:12] and memory of him because of

[3:32:13] the lifelong connection to the

[3:32:15] park in the community. Most of

[3:32:17] all the communities supported

[3:32:18] this. I'm moving number 2.

[3:32:23] That has to reference to 5, 1,

[3:32:25] point, 2, at least 1000 of the

[3:32:25] Santa Rosa resident

[3:32:31] signatures. And at with 50% or

[3:32:32] more living within a half a

[3:32:35] mile of the city. Nowhere in

[3:32:41] that does it say that there's

[3:32:41] 1000 required signatures. And

[3:32:44] in addition, an additional 500

[3:32:44] the way it's worded and the

[3:32:47] way I talked to this, the

[3:32:47] staff and previous people

[3:32:51] waiting for this for years, it

[3:32:52] was 500 friend Sonoma County,

[3:32:55] Santa Rosa residents and 500

[3:32:58] from half a mile moving

[3:33:00] further. The petition and

[3:33:02] despair and see we submitted a

[3:33:03] total of 8,000 in my mind and

[3:33:08] it came back at 570 were Santa

[3:33:09] Rosa residents and then they

[3:33:15] counted 304.

[3:33:15] >> Connie, thank you. Thank

[3:33:16] you for coming to speak

[3:33:17] tonight. I'm sure that our

[3:33:18] staff will be willing to talk

[3:33:20] to speak further with you in

[3:33:21] the back. Moving on, then to

[3:33:34] DeWayne Daniel.

[3:33:34] >> Hello, my name is doing to

[3:33:37] wit. I'm from Roseland. I come

[3:33:38] today because I want to ask

[3:33:43] you to put up some posters.

[3:33:45] Prisoners of war missing in

[3:33:46] Action Day, which is one month

[3:33:50] away from today. It's next

[3:33:52] month. It's a national day of

[3:33:54] recognition and it's important

[3:33:55] because America is always at

[3:34:01] war. My entire lifetime. We've

[3:34:04] or somewhere or another. We're

[3:34:07] at war right now. It's not

[3:34:10] something that's talked much

[3:34:11] about, but we did a sneak

[3:34:13] attack on a country. We killed

[3:34:16] over 160 children. Think about

[3:34:21] that. Pearl Harbor, a sneak

[3:34:21] attack started World War 2 for

[3:34:24] America. There's a lot of

[3:34:25] things that go along with the

[3:34:27] fact that there are prisoners

[3:34:30] of war and missing in action.

[3:34:32] Military members still

[3:34:33] unaccounted for. We'd like to

[3:34:36] get some posters up here and

[3:34:37] get the city and the community

[3:34:41] to understand that.

[3:34:44] >> We believe U.S. Veterans

[3:34:46] believe and the city's open

[3:34:47] government ordinance. That

[3:34:48] specifically stated you would

[3:34:49] embrace a culture of open

[3:34:49] government.

[3:34:52] >> To ensure public trust.

[3:34:55] >> engage the community.

[3:34:57] >> Establish a system of

[3:34:58] transparency, public

[3:34:59] participation and

[3:35:02] collaboration. We're hoping

[3:35:03] that that's going to be

[3:35:04] something that you really

[3:35:06] delve into now that you talked

[3:35:08] about these new plans, you

[3:35:09] have what you're going to do

[3:35:11] to us here in the city. I'll

[3:35:14] leave you with this. You had a

[3:35:15] policy that if you would

[3:35:17] turned in a written comment.

[3:35:19] You couldn't speak on that

[3:35:23] same matter. And that meeting.

[3:35:25] That's what you did. If Red

[3:35:27] recently. But tonight, some

[3:35:28] people and turned in comments

[3:35:30] and then came and spoke again.

[3:35:30] You need to have equity and

[3:35:31] fairness and all you do. Thank

[3:35:35] you. Kind.

[3:35:36] >> Thank you Wayne. Actually,

[3:35:38] address that point directly

[3:35:40] because the city relies it

[3:35:41] better. That interpretation of

[3:35:42] policy regarding the written

[3:35:44] versus spoken comments was an

[3:35:46] heir. So we have fall

[3:35:48] apologize to Fred and in fact,

[3:35:48] called the the all-in buck for

[3:35:51] real change. If you'd like,

[3:35:52] you can submit public to

[3:35:52] submit written both written

[3:35:53] and verbal comments. That's

[3:35:56] the explanation. Daniel, you

[3:36:00] have that you have the floor.

[3:36:01] >> First and foremost, I just

[3:36:02] want to thank the city council

[3:36:05] and the public for being here

[3:36:05] today. I just wanted to

[3:36:07] comment on specifically on the

[3:36:09] creek that it was kind of a

[3:36:12] good decision from a financial

[3:36:16] standpoint, not the best. But

[3:36:17] I also want to Vice-mayor for

[3:36:20] working on Harper Avenue. It's

[3:36:21] the first ever seen anything

[3:36:25] being done there in a long

[3:36:28] time. And then also on the

[3:36:29] topic on technology as well. I

[3:36:32] want to talk about

[3:36:32] >> new policies that have not

[3:36:35] been risen yet like

[3:36:36] >> specifically for DoorDash

[3:36:39] drivers, Lyft drivers like

[3:36:40] Amazon.

[3:36:41] >> Specifically setting aside

[3:36:44] like apartments to follow

[3:36:45] policies to allow those people

[3:36:48] to deliver certain things or

[3:36:50] even for the state or public

[3:36:54] offices. I think making the

[3:36:55] committee specifically for

[3:36:57] innovation, innovative

[3:36:59] policies to work on, do things

[3:37:03] like Waymo's to bees past

[3:37:05] specifically at a local

[3:37:07] ordinance level recently.

[3:37:09] Sacramento just pass a law

[3:37:11] that allowed the increase of

[3:37:14] Waymo's from San Francisco to

[3:37:15] Sacramento. Obviously we

[3:37:16] should pass at a local

[3:37:20] ordinance. But looking at that

[3:37:21] from a general specific point

[3:37:23] of view, we should make a

[3:37:26] committee focus on innovative

[3:37:27] policies that allowed us to

[3:37:30] look at things that are

[3:37:33] happening in the current

[3:37:34] society. But thank you so much

[3:37:34] to the city Council, the

[3:37:37] public today. Thank you.

[3:37:38] >> Daniel, thanks for taking

[3:37:39] time to come and speak. Are

[3:37:40] there any other members of the

[3:37:40] public in council chambers who

[3:37:45] wish to speak?

[3:37:48] >> Seeing none that we will go

[3:37:49] online. MADAM House. Does

[3:37:51] anybody online have their

[3:37:51] hands raising? If you're

[3:37:53] online press star 9 or raise

[3:37:54] your hand?

[3:37:55] >> Thank you, mayor. There's

[3:37:57] no one on zoom, wishing to

[3:37:58] speak.

[3:37:59] >> Her facts. Alright, we'll

[3:38:01] close public comment. And with

[3:38:02] that, we'll conclude this. The

[3:38:03] first public comment non

[3:38:04] agenda matters. Bringing us to

[3:38:10] then item 16.1. Which is our

[3:38:11] public Let's see if the public

[3:38:13] hearing is an ordinance or

[3:38:15] introduction. The ordinance of

[3:38:16] the city Council, the city of

[3:38:17] Santa Rosa, amending the Santa

[3:38:20] Rosa City code. Chapter 14

[3:38:22] dash. 21 waterways,

[3:38:22] regulations to include

[3:38:23] definitions prohibitions on

[3:38:26] irrigation of non-functional

[3:38:29] turf, compliance deadlines and

[3:38:29] enforcement provisions. I

[3:38:30] think that's the end of that

[3:38:34] long title. All right. This is

[3:38:36] this is an exciting one given

[3:38:38] to us by the state. If I'm not

[3:38:39] mistaken, which emphasize

[3:38:43] throughout. But Musk way for

[3:38:56] yours.

[3:38:57] >> All right. Good evening.

[3:38:59] Mayor stopped vice mayor and

[3:39:02] council members. My name is

[3:39:03] Lisa Quail are and will be

[3:39:07] walking you all through.

[3:39:08] Spiciness specific revisions

[3:39:09] to our city's waterways

[3:39:11] regulation. That is indeed

[3:39:13] required by state law,

[3:39:13] specifically Assembly Bill.

[3:39:19] 15, 72. So California Assembly

[3:39:24] Bill 15 72 was signed into law

[3:39:26] 2023 and it explicitly

[3:39:27] prohibits the use of potable

[3:39:29] water to irrigate what's been

[3:39:33] termed non-functional turf a

[3:39:34] host of property types,

[3:39:34] including commercial

[3:39:38] industrial institutional

[3:39:39] Properties, Homeowners

[3:39:40] Association, common areas.

[3:39:44] There are some exemptions to

[3:39:44] this prohibition which

[3:39:45] includes irrigation that would

[3:39:48] be allowed to preserve the

[3:39:49] health of established trees.

[3:39:52] Another perennial plantings

[3:39:53] public parks where people

[3:39:56] recreate on lawn would be

[3:39:57] exempt cemeteries and in the

[3:39:58] event of an immediate health

[3:40:01] or safety need, you could have

[3:40:02] the ability to keep irrigating

[3:40:06] on social turf. So by JANUARY

[3:40:09] of 2027, which is approaching

[3:40:10] the city of Santa us updated

[3:40:13] city code to be 15 72

[3:40:15] compliance and we must notify

[3:40:18] those impacted by the

[3:40:19] regulation. This is a

[3:40:19] requirement folded into the

[3:40:25] regulation. So the purpose, as

[3:40:27] you might suspect is really to

[3:40:33] proactively help urban water

[3:40:34] suppliers preserve our water

[3:40:35] supply, especially during in

[3:40:39] light of. You know, cyclical

[3:40:42] periods of drought that

[3:40:42] commonly experience up within

[3:40:43] the region, water, scarcity,

[3:40:47] et cetera. It also builds upon

[3:40:48] previous conservation

[3:40:50] legislation that passed sb

[3:40:54] 606. And ab 16. 68. That was a

[3:40:55] 2018 timeframe. When that

[3:40:57] pass, it's referred to as

[3:40:58] making conservation a

[3:41:00] California way of life

[3:41:01] regulation that regulation

[3:41:06] had. Water efficiency targets

[3:41:07] set for commercial industrial

[3:41:08] institutional accounts for the

[3:41:11] outdoor usage. So this. New

[3:41:13] regulation kind of to give

[3:41:17] backs off of that. The state

[3:41:20] did formally acknowledge that

[3:41:22] potable water use for non

[3:41:22] functional turf is considered

[3:41:24] wasteful and unsustainable. So

[3:41:28] the ordinance that is being a

[3:41:29] presented tonight during the

[3:41:33] first reading is a way to

[3:41:34] reviser waterways, regulations

[3:41:36] so that we are, in fact, in

[3:41:37] compliance with state law and

[3:41:39] really trying to support the

[3:41:41] long term goals, conservation

[3:41:42] goals of the state and its

[3:41:47] regulators. There is a

[3:41:48] staggered compliance timeline

[3:41:51] for different property types,

[3:41:52] too terminated their

[3:41:54] irrigation of non-functional

[3:41:55] turf. So as soon as JANUARY,

[3:41:59] first of 2027 Department of

[3:42:01] General Services, local

[3:42:01] government and public agencies

[3:42:02] have to discontinue irrigation

[3:42:05] of non-functional turf. That

[3:42:08] also includes public schools

[3:42:12] followed the next year by that

[3:42:12] commercial industrial and

[3:42:13] other institutional

[3:42:17] properties. And then in 2029

[3:42:20] H.O.A. Common areas come

[3:42:21] coming service. Public service

[3:42:22] developments, I believe is the

[3:42:25] other term. They have to come

[3:42:27] into compliance with a

[3:42:29] regulation and then the 2031

[3:42:31] deadline doesn't apply to save

[3:42:31] Santa Rosa, but for local

[3:42:33] governments that are in

[3:42:34] disadvantaged communities,

[3:42:35] they have an extended timeline

[3:42:39] of for compliance. Just to

[3:42:41] back up a little bit because

[3:42:43] I'd mention the term and folks

[3:42:44] MAY be asking what is

[3:42:46] nonfunctional turf.

[3:42:47] Essentially it's irrigated

[3:42:49] lawn that is purely decorative

[3:42:51] and not regularly used for

[3:42:54] recreation or public or

[3:42:55] community gatherings. So

[3:42:56] feeling time you walk on the

[3:42:57] turf is it then effectively it

[3:43:02] is nonfunctional. These are

[3:43:02] some examples of areas and

[3:43:04] non-functional turf within

[3:43:05] within the city of Santa Rosa

[3:43:07] within our service area. A

[3:43:10] couple of business park

[3:43:11] examples where you see the

[3:43:14] narrow strips there along

[3:43:18] abutting the around business.

[3:43:19] Park signage is pretty common

[3:43:22] throughout our community. And

[3:43:26] then the other example

[3:43:26] suspected non-functional turf

[3:43:27] at an H.O.A. One of their

[3:43:31] common areas. And associate

[3:43:32] deadlines are listed on the

[3:43:37] site as well. The city of

[3:43:39] Santa Rosa to be proactive. We

[3:43:40] did do an internal screening

[3:43:41] of all of our city and

[3:43:42] irrigation accounts to see if

[3:43:43] any of those were. In fact,

[3:43:44] you're getting on functional

[3:43:48] turf. The good news is is that

[3:43:52] after detailed review in and

[3:43:53] js and doing some selected

[3:43:54] site, reconnaissance or water

[3:43:57] use efficiency team found only

[3:43:57] 2 sites to have non-functional

[3:44:01] turf. At the end of the day,

[3:44:02] parks and recreational areas

[3:44:04] where Dean excluded due to the

[3:44:05] functional nature of the turf.

[3:44:09] And then also they have. As

[3:44:10] you know, several established

[3:44:12] areas of established trees and

[3:44:14] again, the turf can be

[3:44:14] irrigated to preserve the

[3:44:15] health of those established

[3:44:21] trees. This is an example of

[3:44:24] one of those facilities with

[3:44:25] city-owned facilities with

[3:44:25] non-functional turf. It's for

[3:44:29] station number 3. Pretty small

[3:44:29] patch, looking about 1000

[3:44:30] square feet. A non-functional

[3:44:36] turf. The fire. So they

[3:44:38] decided that they wanted to

[3:44:40] replace that non-functional to

[3:44:40] not just discontinue the

[3:44:41] irrigation to meet to come

[3:44:42] into compliance with

[3:44:45] regulation, but if they wanted

[3:44:46] to install waters landscape

[3:44:47] estimated cost of doing that

[3:44:49] is about 7 to $11 per square

[3:44:52] foot. So however, run our fire

[3:44:53] station anywhere between 7

[3:44:56] $11,000 to do that. Her for

[3:44:58] turf replacement. Just as a

[3:44:59] side note, we do have a cash

[3:45:01] for grass rebate program

[3:45:02] that's administered out of the

[3:45:04] water. Use efficiency section

[3:45:05] that could offset that cost

[3:45:07] about $1000 if they were get

[3:45:12] preapproved machine likely it.

[3:45:16] So we are very aware that the

[3:45:17] public might be a little

[3:45:20] confused with this regulation.

[3:45:21] And so we have a

[3:45:24] communications plan in place.

[3:45:25] We are obligated by law to

[3:45:29] notify affected I believe

[3:45:30] postage was put on that first

[3:45:31] batch notification letters

[3:45:34] this afternoon. Should hit

[3:45:36] mailboxes by the end of the

[3:45:40] week. We so all all affected

[3:45:41] accounts will be notified

[3:45:44] restarting the process. Now we

[3:45:46] have some water, smart branded

[3:45:47] fact sheets in guidance

[3:45:48] documents which will live on

[3:45:53] our city website, which is.

[3:45:55] Presented here on the Www City

[3:45:56] Sr City Dot org for its last 4

[3:45:58] to slash in Ft. We've also

[3:46:02] designated an email address

[3:46:03] where customers can send us

[3:46:04] questions and the water

[3:46:05] sufficiency team will respond

[3:46:09] in a timely manner. To help

[3:46:10] demystify the regulation,

[3:46:11] provide some guidance, offer

[3:46:12] some resources and for

[3:46:16] commercial landscapes for to

[3:46:17] you know, a lot of hearts

[3:46:22] keeps. Gravel, other things

[3:46:23] that could potentially

[3:46:24] exacerbate the Heat island. We

[3:46:27] would like. We are working on

[3:46:28] some resources to encourage

[3:46:30] them to replace if there going

[3:46:32] to replace the turf. To, you

[3:46:37] know, keep it green. And do

[3:46:38] you do that with efficient

[3:46:44] irrigation and mind? As I

[3:46:44] mentioned, the water use

[3:46:47] efficiency team. We do have

[3:46:48] resources to support our

[3:46:48] commercial industrial

[3:46:49] institutional counts as well

[3:46:54] as ways. Not just again, meet

[3:46:55] the requirement of the

[3:46:56] regulation to discontinue

[3:46:59] irrigation, but 2 maintain a

[3:47:00] static Lee pleasing landscapes

[3:47:01] or cash for grass program

[3:47:05] would. Support that outcome

[3:47:09] rate of keeping our city

[3:47:10] beautiful. We will for

[3:47:12] commercial counts. We rebate

[3:47:15] for every square foot of turf

[3:47:17] removed. I mean, our design

[3:47:17] criteria and a little water

[3:47:21] use landscape goes We kept we

[3:47:22] will revisit rebate them at a

[3:47:23] dollar per square foot with a

[3:47:25] cap of $10,000 annually per

[3:47:26] meter. We also have efficient

[3:47:31] irrigation rebates to you

[3:47:32] know, at $1000 lifetime year.

[3:47:35] So that includes a hardware

[3:47:38] and things like smart

[3:47:39] irrigation controllers for

[3:47:43] commercial accounts. So this

[3:47:46] brings me now action item for

[3:47:49] this evening, which is.

[3:47:50] Introducing an ordinance to

[3:47:51] revise the city's waterways

[3:47:54] regulation. And city of Santa

[3:47:58] Rosa did adopt the codified or

[3:47:59] waterways regulations under

[3:48:00] City Code chapter 14 dash. 21

[3:48:04] in 1999. As the name implies,

[3:48:05] the purpose was to promote the

[3:48:09] efficient use of potable and

[3:48:10] recycled water by prohibiting

[3:48:11] water uses which constitute

[3:48:15] water waste. And folded into

[3:48:16] that regulation is an

[3:48:18] enforcement mechanism where we

[3:48:20] can for violators of our

[3:48:25] waterways, regulation. We have

[3:48:25] you know, process for issuing

[3:48:27] written warnings, then

[3:48:29] followed by administrative

[3:48:32] fines, escalate the longer the

[3:48:35] violation persists and then

[3:48:36] ultimately with Director Berks

[3:48:37] approval, we could end up

[3:48:40] discontinuing water service.

[3:48:41] Do everything we can to

[3:48:44] prevent that outcome. But it

[3:48:45] is enforcement measure that we

[3:48:46] could end up taking for

[3:48:51] violators. So the waterways,

[3:48:53] regulation included as

[3:48:54] attachment to agenda package

[3:48:59] has the proposed lines. The

[3:49:00] ordinance has a proposed highs

[3:49:02] to the waterways, regulation

[3:49:06] in summary, it includes 13 new

[3:49:07] definitions taken verbatim

[3:49:09] from statute from the new

[3:49:12] regulation. It's simply to to

[3:49:14] clarify terms that are listed

[3:49:15] in the prohibition. Mike, what

[3:49:15] is a common area? What is

[3:49:18] nonfunctional turf? What is

[3:49:19] functional turf? What our

[3:49:23] common interest developments.

[3:49:25] We also clarified waterways to

[3:49:28] is and or sorry, we included a

[3:49:32] new reference to water waste

[3:49:32] citing potable irrigation

[3:49:36] non-functional turf. We took

[3:49:37] verbatim from statute, the

[3:49:38] prohibition and inserted that

[3:49:42] as a new prohibition and our

[3:49:42] waterways regulation. And then

[3:49:45] we just referenced the new

[3:49:46] prohibition in our enforcement

[3:49:49] section of the regulation,

[3:49:51] enforcement, mechanized

[3:49:53] mechanism has not been

[3:49:55] modified. And I just wanted to

[3:49:58] note that by using the exact

[3:49:59] language in the regulation

[3:50:02] from California water code. We

[3:50:04] really are trying to reduce

[3:50:05] confusion for businesses,

[3:50:07] landscape, landscapers,

[3:50:09] property managers and others

[3:50:10] that work in multiple service

[3:50:15] areas across the region. As

[3:50:16] far as budget impacts Co

[3:50:17] adoption. This ordinance

[3:50:19] really has no immediate budget

[3:50:22] impact. I wanted to note that

[3:50:24] customers that have that fall

[3:50:25] under this regulation that

[3:50:28] have more than 5,000 Square

[3:50:31] feet of irrigated landscape

[3:50:32] have to self certified

[3:50:33] directly to the state and not

[3:50:37] the city of Santa Rosa, which

[3:50:37] means that that administrative

[3:50:40] burden doesn't fall on our

[3:50:40] shoulders and then we dealt

[3:50:45] with at the state level.

[3:50:46] Potential long-term costs

[3:50:47] really folded into the

[3:50:48] customer service is we want a

[3:50:52] already provides. We? You

[3:50:54] know, offer complant support

[3:50:57] for other conservation

[3:50:59] regulations. We enforce the

[3:51:00] waterways, regulation and we

[3:51:01] monitor some of those sites

[3:51:04] that are under inforcement.

[3:51:06] Any future funding requests

[3:51:07] will follow the normal

[3:51:08] budgetary approval process

[3:51:11] would be addressed at the time

[3:51:12] if there were any increases

[3:51:15] that were needed. So the

[3:51:18] timeline for approval is

[3:51:20] listed on the screen We are

[3:51:24] through the first 2 items. Bp

[3:51:25] you did make a recommendation

[3:51:29] to council on JUNE 18th

[3:51:32] approve the ordinance. So

[3:51:35] tonight is AUGUST 18 through

[3:51:36] here City Council to introduce

[3:51:37] ordinance and host a public

[3:51:39] hearing. And take public

[3:51:43] comments regarding the changes

[3:51:45] if council moves to adopt the

[3:51:46] ordinance. A second reading

[3:51:50] would occur on SEPTEMBER 15th

[3:51:52] and then the proposed

[3:51:54] effective date of the new code

[3:51:55] change would happen

[3:51:55] approximately OCTOBER 16th.

[3:51:57] That's 31 days. Following the

[3:52:03] second reading. So I'll end

[3:52:04] with the formal recommendation

[3:52:09] to council tonight. The Public

[3:52:09] Utilities and Santa Rosa Water

[3:52:11] recommended the council

[3:52:13] approve the first reading and

[3:52:16] introduce an ordinance

[3:52:17] endings, Santa Rosa City Code

[3:52:22] chapter 14 dash. 21 water

[3:52:25] waste regulations to include

[3:52:26] clarifying definitions, a

[3:52:27] prohibition for irrigating

[3:52:29] non-functional turf with

[3:52:31] potable water compliance

[3:52:33] deadlines per affected

[3:52:35] property type enforcement

[3:52:37] provisions and make other

[3:52:38] clarifying changes. This item

[3:52:40] has no impact on current

[3:52:44] fiscal year budget. And at

[3:52:46] this time I would be happy to

[3:52:47] field any questions from the

[3:52:51] mayor, vice mayor and council.

[3:52:52] Lisa, thank you very much. I'm

[3:52:53] sure you can sense the

[3:52:55] enthusiasm from from the

[3:52:57] >> Thank you. Thank you for

[3:52:58] your presentation. All right,

[3:52:59] friends. What questions do we

[3:53:05] have? It's been wheeless.

[3:53:06] >> Thank you, Mayor. Thank you

[3:53:07] for the presentation. I was

[3:53:08] just wondering them because

[3:53:11] we're a I know we have to do

[3:53:12] this. It sounds like this is

[3:53:14] something they have to do. So

[3:53:15] there's no really debate

[3:53:16] around that. But I'm just

[3:53:19] wondering since this is.

[3:53:20] Relatively new home. And

[3:53:23] during one sits effective,

[3:53:25] which I guess is up tober

[3:53:28] 16th. Is there any kind of

[3:53:29] grace period for the property

[3:53:31] owners or any anybody that

[3:53:33] might? I'm just wondering

[3:53:34] people are going to start

[3:53:36] getting code enforcement right

[3:53:38] away or is there a grace

[3:53:40] period? Weather understanding

[3:53:40] what the non-functional turf

[3:53:44] isn't all that. Thank you for

[3:53:49] your question. Just revisit.

[3:53:53] There is staggered compliance

[3:53:55] timeline. So the first

[3:53:56] property types that are

[3:53:56] affected or local government

[3:53:59] public schools and I just

[3:54:02] wanted to reiterate to comply.

[3:54:03] They just have to turn off the

[3:54:08] irrigation. So. You know, it's

[3:54:10] it's sort of a simple

[3:54:11] compliance measure. We do

[3:54:12] understand that that could

[3:54:13] lead to some areas turning

[3:54:14] going from green to Brown,

[3:54:16] which folks in community might

[3:54:21] not like so much.

[3:54:24] >> The the state does have

[3:54:25] there's a hardship provision

[3:54:26] that was writ written into the

[3:54:30] regulation that does allow.

[3:54:31] >> Impacted properties to

[3:54:33] appeal to the state and ask

[3:54:34] for a three-year extension.

[3:54:35] They do have to demonstrate

[3:54:42] some type of economic hardship

[3:54:44] there wasn't. But a number of

[3:54:44] qualifying hardship categories

[3:54:46] that they could appeal to the

[3:54:47] state on. So those appeals go

[3:54:47] directly to the state, not to

[3:54:50] the city of Santa Rosa and the

[3:54:53] state this time has not

[3:54:56] released information about how

[3:54:58] to formally go about doing

[3:55:00] that. So we're sort of waiting

[3:55:02] to see when the information

[3:55:05] will be released. So we can

[3:55:06] direct customers to that

[3:55:07] process to request hardship

[3:55:13] extension. Ok? Thank you.

[3:55:13] >> Thank you. Any other

[3:55:18] questions? All right. What a

[3:55:19] public comment are there any

[3:55:19] members of the public here in

[3:55:20] council chambers wish to

[3:55:24] comment? Seeing none. We'll go

[3:55:25] online. MADAM Zuma, host, is

[3:55:27] anybody online have their

[3:55:29] hands raised as press star 9.

[3:55:33] >> They do not. Mayor.

[3:55:34] >> All right. I confess I'm a

[3:55:34] little surprised when give

[3:55:35] some comment on this item, MR.

[3:55:42] Rogers. Good question. That's

[3:55:43] right. We're doing a public

[3:55:47] hearing our way. All right. So

[3:55:48] Karen, hoping the public

[3:55:49] hearing back to back to

[3:55:50] council chambers any made any

[3:55:51] members. The public here was

[3:55:52] to participate in public

[3:55:55] hearing. There are non I back

[3:55:57] to back to admitting that was

[3:56:00] alert no colors on zoom.

[3:56:01] >> Then we're closing the

[3:56:02] public hearing. Thank you.

[3:56:03] Thank you. I wasn't I wasn't

[3:56:04] paying All right. Any final

[3:56:08] comments from the dais? All

[3:56:09] right. You have that. You have

[3:56:10] the difficult duty tonight.

[3:56:11] Reset bringing is before

[3:56:12] especially after a long day.

[3:56:13] So thank Thank you. Thank you

[3:56:15] for getting him for bringing

[3:56:17] us into line with state

[3:56:17] regulations. It was something

[3:56:18] that had to be done. Thank

[3:56:19] you. Senator is a water team.

[3:56:20] We will comply even if it's

[3:56:25] half heartedly. All right. I'm

[3:56:26] looking for a motion from

[3:56:27] let's see who ms been? Willis

[3:56:29] yours. Looking make make make

[3:56:34] a motion for us. Okay.

[3:56:35] >> I moved to approved the

[3:56:36] first reading and introduce

[3:56:36] the ordinance as presented by

[3:56:40] staff. Second. It.

[3:56:41] >> We have a motion and a

[3:56:42] second. MADAM City clerk can

[3:56:44] call the vote whenever you're

[3:56:44] ready.

[3:56:46] >> Thank you, Mayor

[3:56:46] Councilmember Rogers, I

[3:56:48] Councilmember Macdonald, I

[3:56:50] councilmember Fleming

[3:56:51] Councilmember Ben well oath.

[3:56:52] Yes, Councilmember Alvarez,

[3:56:55] Vice Cookie. I step yes. Let

[3:56:56] the record show this passes

[3:56:58] unanimously.

[3:56:59] >> All right. Thank you and

[3:57:00] thank and thank you again for

[3:57:02] for the presentation. Thank

[3:57:03] you. Move on to our last item

[3:57:06] of the evening item. 16 point

[3:57:07] to our public hearing on the

[3:57:09] placement of annual storm

[3:57:10] water enterprises charges on

[3:57:12] the Sonoma County property tax

[3:57:14] roll. All right. This is gonna

[3:57:15] be a good awake again.

[3:57:16] Jennifer, are you doing this

[3:57:22] one? All right, Nick. Are all

[3:57:34] yours? State staff is making

[3:57:35] way for the door for the

[3:57:35] doors. Peter, you're walking

[3:57:40] out on this one. Shame on you,

[3:57:41] Nick. We're here. We're here.

[3:57:46] We're paying attention.

[3:57:47] >> Thank you, mayor and

[3:57:49] members of council. My name is

[3:57:50] Nick Lanham, a research

[3:57:51] program coordinator with the

[3:57:53] storm water creeks team. Stay.

[3:57:54] I mean, the over the placement

[3:57:55] of annual storm water and or

[3:57:56] press charges on the Sonoma

[3:57:59] County property tax roll. Just

[3:58:03] a very brief enterprises

[3:58:04] create by council and of

[3:58:05] course, title 16 of the city

[3:58:09] code in 1996, provides funding

[3:58:10] for the implementation of

[3:58:12] cities and pds permit and

[3:58:13] funds activities like creek

[3:58:16] restoration, Stewardship, foot

[3:58:17] protection, public education,

[3:58:21] other activities as well. The

[3:58:23] calculate assessment is based

[3:58:25] on nie er you equivalent

[3:58:27] residential unit and considers

[3:58:28] parcel amount of impervious

[3:58:30] surface and land use for each

[3:58:34] parcel. Current year. Ufi is

[3:58:35] $43.52. And that was approved

[3:58:36] by council during the 2026

[3:58:41] 2027 budget process. To

[3:58:44] simplify process for property

[3:58:45] owners is requested that these

[3:58:46] charges be id on the Sonoma

[3:58:46] County property tax from the

[3:58:50] city's behalf. These charges

[3:58:51] been collected annually on

[3:58:52] that actual since they

[3:58:52] established in SEPTEMBER of

[3:58:56] 1996. It's in the best

[3:58:57] interest of the city that

[3:58:59] these parcels not built by the

[3:59:00] county due to a minimum charge

[3:59:02] of $10 and or parcels with

[3:59:03] known incorrect ownership be

[3:59:06] exempt from these buildings.

[3:59:08] Any charges not collected will

[3:59:08] not affect other parcel

[3:59:13] charges. Today's public

[3:59:14] hearing in accordance with

[3:59:14] title 16 of the city code will

[3:59:15] adopt the stormwater

[3:59:17] Enterprise charge report

[3:59:19] approved placing the charges

[3:59:20] on the county tax bill for

[3:59:21] collection and allow the

[3:59:21] public the opportunity to

[3:59:22] protest the method of

[3:59:26] collecting charges. Therefore,

[3:59:28] the board of Public Utilities

[3:59:30] in Santa Rosa Water or

[3:59:31] recommend that council by

[3:59:33] resolution adopt by 2 0rd

[3:59:35] vote. The stormwater

[3:59:35] Enterprise Charger port and

[3:59:36] approved placement of the

[3:59:38] stormwater enterprise charges

[3:59:39] on the Sonoma County property

[3:59:41] tax roll to be collected by

[3:59:45] the Sonoma County auditor, a

[3:59:45] controller treasurer tax

[3:59:47] collector at the same time and

[3:59:48] in the same manner as Sonoma

[3:59:50] County property taxes are

[3:59:52] collected unless those charges

[3:59:53] do not meet the county minimum

[3:59:55] of $10 and or partial owner

[3:59:56] contact information is known

[3:59:58] to be incorrect. This item was

[3:59:59] no impact on current fiscal

[4:00:01] year budget. And I'm happy to

[4:00:02] answer any questions. You

[4:00:05] have. That was masterful neck

[4:00:10] bring it back to council.

[4:00:11] Surprise. Surprise. No

[4:00:12] questions. All right. Over to

[4:00:13] public hearing, Sarah, to

[4:00:15] start a public opening this up

[4:00:16] to the public during am are

[4:00:17] any members, the public

[4:00:17] hearing House chambers that

[4:00:20] wish to speak?

[4:00:21] >> Seeing non online host.

[4:00:23] Anybody online.

[4:00:24] >> We have no one was wishing

[4:00:26] to speak Zoom.

[4:00:27] >> Thank you so much. Alright,

[4:00:31] causing a public I feel like I

[4:00:32] should make comments or or ask

[4:00:33] a question or something, but

[4:00:33] I'm I'm too tired. I'm not

[4:00:35] doing it. Were now. We're

[4:00:36] going to thank you for going

[4:00:37] to thank you for your work.

[4:00:39] This is again necessary

[4:00:40] necessary work on behalf of

[4:00:43] the city in the county. And

[4:00:43] with that, a look see MISTER

[4:00:46] Alvarez for Motion.

[4:00:47] >> Thank you, Mayor. I like to

[4:00:48] make a motion to adopt a

[4:00:49] resolution is presented by

[4:00:50] staff and we for the reading

[4:00:52] of the text second, we have a

[4:00:53] motion and a second and MADAM

[4:00:54] City Clerk, Inc, all whenever

[4:00:57] you're ready.

[4:00:58] >> Thank you. Mayor

[4:00:59] Councilmember Rogers and

[4:01:02] Councilmember MacDonald.

[4:01:03] Councilmember Fleming

[4:01:07] Councilmember Yes, Bres vice

[4:01:11] Cookie. I mayor step yes. Let

[4:01:14] the record show this passes

[4:01:14] unanimously.

[4:01:15] >> All right. Thank you. Thank

[4:01:16] you for the work in the

[4:01:17] presentation. Both Nick, an

[4:01:18] entire Santa Rosa Water team.

[4:01:21] Thank you for being here That

[4:01:23] is the and of our substantive

[4:01:24] items. We have one more public

[4:01:28] comment on non agenda matters.

[4:01:30] So opening that There is no

[4:01:31] one, no member. There are no

[4:01:32] members of the public hearing

[4:01:34] Council chambers to make host

[4:01:35] anybody online for our our

[4:01:37] second public comment on non

[4:01:38] agenda matters.

[4:01:38] >> No mayor, we have no one

[4:01:40] online wishing to comment.

[4:01:41] >> And then we are officially

[4:01:41] adjourned. Thank you,

[4:01:55] everyone.

City Council

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