[0:00] So we got

[0:06] Are you ready, Tim? >> Um I am ready.

[0:10] » Okay. Do you want to call the meeting to order for the architectural review July

[0:15] 15, 2026?

[0:20] Roll call. >> Um Mayor Mark Fry

[0:24] » here. >> Carol Lind Huber

[0:26] » here. >> Zachary Liieber

[0:28] » here. Kate Fischer >> here.

[0:31] » Tim Burns, zoning administrator >> here.

[0:35] » And Jeff Schaff is excused tonight.

[0:41] » So, we need uh for the architecture renew uh review, we need the approval of

[0:46] the minutes of June 10th, 2026. >> I make a motion that we approve the

[0:52] meeting minutes from June 10th. >> I make a second.

[0:58] All in favor say I. >> I.

[1:02] » Motion carried on that. Then we have the um regulation sign application number

[1:08] 14-2026 by Muhammad A.

[1:14] Muhammad you are you on? >> I have him on. He's just um he does not

[1:21] have his uh microphone on. Okay. So, it's for uh 6363 Monroe Street, uh

[1:32] Pilates by V, a proposed sign, and a new wall sign.

[1:46] » I'm guessing he can get There we go. Maybe he's on there. Muhammad, are you

[1:52] there? Yes. Give me one second. Have a little

[1:56] » technical difficulties here, but I'm here. Just my my video isn't

[2:03] working. There you go. I think I got it to work.

[2:09] Do I look good enough for you guys?

[2:19] » Always. So this

[2:24] » everything look okay on this one, Tim? >> Yeah, there's no objections from the

[2:29] signing office. Everything meets within the code.

[2:42] 2026. >> Second.

[2:47] » Zach's first. Carol second. Um, all in favor say I.

[2:52] » I. >> I.

[2:53] » I.

[2:58] » Thank you, Muhammad. So, the next one, you're actually up on two also.

[3:03] » Yes, ma'am. >> Okay. So that's the regulation sign app

[3:06] number 15-2026 for Zayn's uh Lebanese Grill on McCord.

[3:14] Is this this a new sign then? Right. >> Um yeah, it's going to go adjacent to

[3:20] the current sign.

[3:30] » Jim, does this mean zoning code? The sign meets as zoning code. There are no

[3:35] objections.

[3:41] » Any questions? Have a motion for approval.

[3:46] » I'll make a motion to approve uh number 15-

[3:50] 2026.

[3:54] » Second. >> Second.

[3:57] » Thank you. >> Any questions?

[4:01] All in favor say I. >> I.

[4:06] » The motion approved. Sign approved. Thank you.

[4:10] » Thanks. >> We appreciate that.

[4:12] » You guys are welcome to free baklava. Just don't tell them I sent you.

[4:16] » Okay. [laughter]

[4:20] » Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

[4:25] » Tim, is there any additions? >> There are no additions.

[4:29] So we can uh have a motion for adjourn. >> I'll make a motion that we adjourn.

[4:36] » Second. >> Mark second. All in favor say I.

[4:41] » I. >> Architectural review adjourned.

[5:12] Tim, can you let us know when we're ready for the

[5:16] um >> I still cannot see who's in the meeting.

[5:20] I'm not sure why. Um do we have representatives? I know we

[5:26] had somebody from 7-Eleven um which is representing I

[5:36] I think kind of the kind of it's both sides. It's it's the SU as well as the

[5:41] lot split. Um but um I don't know if Matt Dwood would or representative of

[5:48] the property is here.

[6:00] I don't believe Matt Dwood's here, but I'm here to represent um Y Engineers and

[6:06] our client uh 7-Eleven.

[6:14] So I think that that probably can answer everything on the lot split. The SUP is

[6:20] well that pro you can represent the use as well.

[6:25] » Yes. Yep. That's what I'm here for. >> Okay. Then I think we're good to go.

[6:33] » So So Tim, tell us about the lot split. Kind of explain a little more what's

[6:38] going on here. So, the lot split is

[6:43] uh it's there there's essentially two lot splits happening at the same time.

[6:49] Um it's the north end of um and I cannot recall the name of the plaza. Um but

[6:57] it's the what is always referred to for me as the major magic plaza. Um the uh

[7:04] north end of it has an entrance and exit uh onto Alexis Road. Um and it's

[7:10] essentially positioned pretty much in the middle of

[7:14] the property exiting out to Alexis or entering in from Alexis. Um on the

[7:20] northeast side, uh the proposal is to split um the right side of the parking

[7:29] lot off down to the uh north

[7:36] portion of the building. They actually would be taking the old Wraid portion of

[7:41] the building. Um the southern the southern portion of the right aid

[7:46] building would become the new lot line property and that portion of the

[7:51] building would be tore down as part of this um uh process that they're going

[7:57] through um for the uh fuel station and uh store.

[8:07] So physically the layout of this is um they're going to knock the rad

[8:14] building down. Correct. >> Right. Which

[8:17] » yes is attached to the rest of that building from you know facade side but

[8:24] it'll it'll have a separate fire break. >> Yes. I I have a presentation like I have

[8:31] a exhibits and things if we need that. Yeah. Can you just state your name

[8:38] again? Um and your representation? >> Yep. Taylor Shepard with Y Engineers

[8:45] representing our client 7-Eleven and um and Reed Developers

[8:53] Ltd.

[9:05] Tim, did you want to do a roll call on this for the

[9:10] » uh did we not get through that? That would um Yeah. Can you u can you do a

[9:16] roll call, Kristen, please? >> Roll call. Uh Mayor Mark Fry

[9:19] » here. >> Carol Lind Hoover

[9:21] » here. >> Zachary Liieber

[9:22] » here. >> Kate Fischer

[9:25] » here. Uh Tim Burns >> here.

[9:28] » And Jeff Chef is excused.

[9:34] We do need to the approval of the minutes from June 10th.

[9:39] » Thank you. >> Make a motion to approve the meeting

[9:42] minutes for the meeting of June 10th, 2026.

[9:49] » So moved.

[9:57] » All in favor say I. >> I. I. Hi.

[10:01] So Tim, you want me to We have item number one, which is the transfer and

[10:06] lot split. >> Does that go first before the

[10:12] » sub three? >> Yes.

[10:16] » Okay. >> They they essentially go hand in hand.

[10:20] Um the SUP cannot happen without the lot split. the lot split could happen

[10:29] without the SUP.

[10:33] So I think that's that's the reason to put the lot split in front

[10:38] of the SU. >> So So

[10:41] again, Tim, this lot split is basically

[10:47] they're knocking down the right a property or that chunk of the building.

[10:52] They're building um the facility on that uh potential parcel that would

[11:00] be created and it would be what effectively is the norththeast

[11:06] corner closest to the Dunkin Donuts. Would that the whole way to Alexis? Is

[11:10] that how that would work? >> That's a good description of it. Yeah.

[11:15] » Okay. >> So, that's actually sub four, right? for

[11:21] » the application.

[11:28] » Let me look at see which one's which.

[11:36] » Yeah, but the lot split's got to come first.

[11:39] » Okay, >> we're going to approve it.

[11:42] » But it's basically the same location. And

[11:45] » it's the same location. Yeah. Yeah. >> Right.

[11:48] and when we get to the other lots, but it'll be the reverse of the other um

[11:52] which would be the seven brew side. The seven brew side does not need a SU.

[12:02] » Okay.

[12:11] » Um from the city side, it's a it's a real clean split. Um it's been reviewed

[12:16] on the engineering side on the preliminary side. Um

[12:21] uh as far as like the the next portion

[12:25] moving forward um it looks like it's all viable. Um, as you know, there was a

[12:33] similar approach before and there was a a big concentration on the traffic study

[12:38] that was involved in it in this particular scenario with the the future

[12:43] intentional use of this split um being a fuel station um works. But for right

[12:51] now, the the proposal is just the split.

[12:58] » How big is this parcel, Tim? when if the split was approved.

[13:03] » I do not know if I know that. >> Maybe the gentleman

[13:09] » can answer that question. >> Maybe Taylor can answer the question.

[13:16] » Yes, I've got it here as

[13:25] I'm seeing 9.95. That must be the whole um that's the entire

[13:33] um plaza. Let's see.

[13:39] » Yeah, I would guess it's like about an acre and a half or two.

[13:43] » Yeah, that's what I would think too. >> Knowing the size of it, but I'm looking

[13:48] to see if it's like in the >> Yeah, it looks like it says down here

[13:54] that the remaining parcel will be 7.658. 65 acre. So if it's 9.9 then

[14:00] » Yep. >> So that I'm not sure though that might

[14:04] exclude the seven brew portion because there's there's the remaining parcel.

[14:09] There's going to be there's at the end there's going to be three parcels in

[14:14] this process. And I'm I'm assuming they wrote it as

[14:18] the final outcome with with the other lot splitting off as

[14:25] well. PZ or Craig was on. [laughter]

[14:28] » So if you said that was that was seven. It says it ends with seven. So yeah, it

[14:32] might be like one and a half and one or one and a half and a half. The seven

[14:36] brew property is not very big. >> It looks like 1.57 acres.

[14:40] » Yeah, it's got 1.57. I just saw that. Thank you.

[14:43] » Yeah, Zach. Thank you.

[14:50] » So Kate, you're looking for a motion. I am open for a motion on the application

[14:56] for the um which one are we doing? The transfer and lot split item one.

[15:04] I I'll make a motion to um approve the application for the

[15:12] transfer and lot split at uh 5800 Monroe Street per the u

[15:20] uh planning commission information.

[15:26] » Make a second.

[15:31] » Any questions? Additional comments. All in favor say I.

[15:38] » I. >> I.

[15:39] » I. That. Stock split's been approved.

[15:44] So the next one we go to then is actually item number five. Right. So the

[15:51] um sub4 for the same property at 5890 Monroe Street.

[15:58] » Correct. >> Okay. Well, it it would there's a lot

[16:02] split in front of it. Correct.

[16:06] » Well, I was given a different property.

[16:13] » Yeah, it actually looks like Metamora before that or that's sub three or sorry

[16:19] for number four. There should be

[16:29] there's the second partial split that I I get you could go to SUP3 now or

[16:37] there's the se the second split if you want to do the splits back to back.

[16:46] » Oh, I see it. There's >> two splits.

[16:49] There's two splits. So the other split is parcel split number two, which which

[16:56] is the northwest corner of this same area of the plaza parking lot. So if

[17:04] where Elliot Road comes in is uh the at the light um same light that is the

[17:10] ingress egress for this plaza to the west of that or what would be the

[17:18] northwest corner the proposal is to split and I think it's about a half acre

[17:24] » seven 7.773 >> okay yep um so I'm just not sure if

[17:33] anybody's is here to represent it. I can speak on its behalf of my knowledge, but

[17:38] » but so th so this secondary split, >> we don't know what's going there. Is

[17:43] that correct, Tim? >> There is a proposal. The proposal is a

[17:47] seven brew coffee. Um the proposal, >> but that's not in front of us today.

[17:55] So the seven brew coffee would be it would not require any type of um

[18:01] approval from the board until they get into architectural. So they would they

[18:05] would come to the board for architectural review.

[18:07] » Right. But that's not in front of us. So all we're looking at is another split.

[18:11] Correct. >> Another split. Um the split all the

[18:14] requirements are are met. There are no objections from the city. Um

[18:21] I think that's >> okay. So then I'll make a motion to

[18:24] approve parcel split number two uh as the application

[18:30] u for 5800 Monroe Street of um for as uh provided in the Sylvania Municipal

[18:39] Planning Commission um agenda.

[18:43] » Second.

[18:47] » All in favor say I. >> I.

[18:52] So the second split was approved.

[18:58] » Yeah.

[19:05] » Okay.

[19:08] Now Kate, you were asking about whether we wanted to jump to the

[19:12] to the SUP number four, >> right? With the same property. Mhm.

[19:18] » Is that for the um That's the Speedway or uh 7-Eleven one, correct?

[19:25] » Yep. >> The 7-Eleven.

[19:27] » I think that makes sense since he's here to represent that.

[19:30] » Yeah, I Mr. Reed is here to for the other one perhaps, too. But

[19:35] » Yep. I cannot see unfortunately. I can't see who's present.

[19:39] » Yeah. Well, he he was here a few minutes ago. I don't know if he's still here.

[19:42] » I'm still here. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you for your patience, sir.

[19:46] [laughter]

[19:52] So, um, Taylor, I think are you still here?

[19:58] » Yes. Yep. I'm sorry. >> Okay,

[20:02] Kate, if you're okay with us. >> Yeah, we're okay.

[20:06] Just keep it. So, are we doing item number five, the

[20:10] amended sub4? >> Yeah. Yeah, I think that makes the most

[20:15] sense. Okay. So, that is still at 5890 Monroe Street.

[20:23] » Yes. >> Okay.

[20:26] And this is where the 7-Eleven's going in.

[20:30] » Yes. >> So, we need a special use permit for

[20:33] fuel. Is that what we're doing? >> Yes.

[20:36] » Okay.

[20:41] So, Taylor, tell us about I mean I I know what a 7-Eleven looks like. I saw

[20:47] the pictures. Um >> Okay.

[20:49] » So, how many pumps are you looking at? >> Six pumps.

[20:55] Um 37 parking spaces. The convenience store will be 4,800

[21:01] square ft approximately.

[21:05] » Is it open 24/7 or is it closed? um 247.

[21:13] Um I do have some pictures as well. >> Tim, does that

[21:20] does that um follow zoning um 247 in that location?

[21:28] » I just actually sent a um email up to Leslie asking that

[21:35] question. I think that's part of the SUP approval at council, I believe, but I'm

[21:40] not fuel stations may have an exclusion to that. Um, I just I I I tried to find

[21:46] that out. Um, and I sent it up to Leslie and did not see like a clean response.

[21:53] But what so that's one of the questions obviously that needs to be

[21:59] handled because I don't think anything else there is open 24/7

[22:07] in that vicinity. Not necessarily saying that's a bad thing. Um but but I maybe

[22:15] down the road um one of the other gas pumps. The um

[22:21] the other thing, Taylor, is it is this going to be prepared to have electric

[22:27] vehicle charging or are there going to be charging

[22:30] stations involved? I don't remember seeing.

[22:33] » It is not. >> So, just straight up pumps.

[22:37] » Yep. >> And a convenience store.

[22:42] » Yeah. So, we have um Oh.

[22:53] Did we lose volume? >> Um, can you see the PowerPoint?

[22:58] » Yep. >> Yeah.

[22:59] » Okay. So, yeah, the site will be located here.

[23:07] Um, part of that ride will be demolished. Um,

[23:11] and then here is the layout with Alexis Road to the shown to the right here and

[23:19] um the parking lot up above

[23:26] and the six pumps up towards Alexis Road with the convenience store behind it.

[23:34] And then here's the uh 7-Eleven architectural

[23:41] drawings here. And then the pumps in the canopy,

[23:50] the monument sign,

[23:56] Tim, thank you for the picture's worth thousand words. Um, so we apprec I

[24:03] appreciate that. So Tim, the um does the SUP

[24:10] or do do we require like a bond to be placed for

[24:17] um a facility like this at this point in our code?

[24:21] » Not that I'm aware of in any way. >> Okay.

[24:29] Taylor, do you know if that's something that's that the owners of the state

[24:32] because I don't know whether se this is a franchise or whether this is you know

[24:38] actually 7-Eleven the company or what the terminology here is. Can you speak

[24:43] to whether they post bonds for remediation of any tank uh removal for

[24:48] the future? >> Um I would have to double check. I

[24:54] believe they do. Um,

[24:58] but I would have to double check on whether they do bonds. And then,

[25:05] um, I would also have to double check if this is going to be a franchisee or a

[25:10] corporateowned store. >> Yeah. cuz cuz the concern that that I

[25:14] have, I can't speak for other members just fundamentally is we've had to go

[25:20] get grant money in the past to remediate some property in the city for stuff. Um,

[25:26] and I'm not saying that this place isn't going to be here for the next 250 years.

[25:31] But I'm guessing the if the 7-Eleven's there, the tanks probably won't be. So

[25:39] that's why I was asking, you know, don't want the city or the taxpayers to be on

[25:43] the hook for that. >> Yeah.

[25:54] The only thing that I noticed that I kind of want to point out is, you know,

[25:58] if we have two retail users potentially coming in here

[26:04] and creates a lot of traffic, that turn is a little tight there. And like if you

[26:09] get car stacking to get out there on Alexis,

[26:13] I know it's already going through some architectural, but

[26:17] » yeah. So that'll have a on a on the engineering

[26:22] side >> for the site approval that will go

[26:25] through engineering >> as as a portion of this. Um the initial

[26:30] look at it um meets the city's requirement as far as the egress out to

[26:38] Alexis and I think within private property to

[26:44] some extent if it backs up on their way out I'm not sure that that's the city's

[26:50] issue. Um as long as it's not backing up on the way in. We have to keep we have

[26:55] to keep the streets open is what we're that's the whole importance of it. Um

[27:01] you know I I would assume that there might be a push to get essentially off

[27:08] of this new lot that is being developed. There may be a push that the traffic has

[27:13] to go clear to the south to go north if you will

[27:21] for that reason. for that exact reason is it pushes that Q- line out.

[27:26] » Makes sense.

[27:30] » But that that'll definitely get reviewed on the engineer side that that is

[27:34] something the engineers and our our engineers specifically they pay really

[27:37] tight attention to. Um as if if you were aware there was another proposal for a

[27:43] fuel station about I don't know about six month eight months ago. Um, and the

[27:48] project never went forward because they could not get their ingress and egress

[27:53] to meet our traffic standards. So, so that'll definitely get reviewed.

[28:00] » So, so Tim, is this something we can put a contingency on

[28:06] or make a recommendation to council? So the the re the response from

[28:13] uh the board would be um it could be yeah it could typically it's a it's a

[28:22] response of council um um but it can come with recommendations.

[28:27] I guess I think that's what you're asking.

[28:54] This motion's up to somebody else. I'm not going to make this motion.

[28:57] [laughter] So, if if everybody's thinking,

[29:00] » do you want to Mark, do you want to add because the motion is basically just

[29:05] referring it back. We approve it, refer back to the council. Yeah,

[29:11] » we provide a recommendation, but but based on what Tim said, we can al the

[29:15] recommendation could include um

[29:21] recommended conditions as well. >> Yeah. So, if you wanted to um well on a

[29:28] lot split at the end of the day, if the lot split

[29:33] is approved, it um

[29:39] it's a it's a split. It's it's divided. I think the only way if you wanted to

[29:45] from what I heard in in the [clears throat] communic or the

[29:49] discussion is the one thing that that maybe could be paid attention to would

[29:54] be that that traffic patterning. Am I am I accurate in picking that up?

[30:02] Would that I guess would that be the the one thing that everybody would like to

[30:07] see or are there [clears throat] other condition

[30:10] » and the 24our information [clears throat] I think with

[30:14] the >> Yeah. So, um I think the recommendation

[30:18] could be made um conditional upon um the 24hour being a permitted use

[30:26] already within um the

[30:32] uh use of a fuel station and this particular zone classification

[30:41] which doesn't open it up for greater than I think the normal hours I think

[30:46] are I think is it I think it's two I want to say it's two

[30:52] I think it's like 2 to 5 is when things are supposed to be closed.

[30:58] » Yeah, this seems more and more like a stretch

[31:02] for this meeting without the clarification of whether this is even

[31:06] allowed to be open 24. >> Yeah. So, it can be tabled with with a

[31:11] request for a response back to this from the city for

[31:16] um any information that that you would like to hear or see.

[31:20] » Yeah. So, so then uh then I'll make a motion in this regard. I'd make a motion

[31:27] to table SUP 4 2026

[31:33] uh until we get information from the city regarding the

[31:39] uh the ability of of this to operate 24

[31:44] hours. And also the the provision that there be um or

[31:53] information from the from the applicant on

[31:57] whether bonds would be posted for remediation of the tanks in the future.

[32:03] » Okay. Yep. That was another great point. Okay. Um the third discussion point

[32:09] which I I mentioned or Zach mentioned and brought up about the the ingress

[32:14] egress. Um that would have to be um it could be split with a stipulation

[32:24] that there's a no traffic or or um um >> I'm not sure how to put that on a

[32:31] motion. Tim, >> maybe we could work maybe we can work on

[32:35] that while we wait if this assuming that the tableling occurs.

[32:40] » Yep. >> Yep.

[32:44] » Is there a second on Mark's first? >> Yeah, I'll make a second to uh table it

[32:51] for the next meeting or discussion.

[32:59] Any other discussions or comments?

[33:03] So, we have a first and a second with conditions. Does everybody um

[33:09] vote on that as an I? >> I

[33:12] » I >> I

[33:13] » I >> Okay, we So, it's tabled for sub for the

[33:18] following conditions. a 24hour um permit if it's within that standard

[33:26] of the um the liability or li liable for the permit usage and then the

[33:34] um the bond for the tanks for future removal

[33:42] » or thereabout. And and Tim, I did want to point out on

[33:46] the southeast corner of that lot parcel split, it looks like it looks like going

[33:50] over to Algar Drive, there might be like a small driven curb cut dirt path that

[33:56] has gone in. That just might be something to keep an eye on when you go

[34:00] in. Okay. So,

[34:09] » you said on the souththeast >> Yeah. side of where the parcel would be

[34:13] split for the 7-Eleven presumably >> essentially kind of where their

[34:18] dumpsters at or is it >> Yeah. Um back it goes over towards like

[34:22] KNA electric right behind the Duncan. So >> okay, my guess is all of that would get

[34:28] cleaned up in this process. Um anyway, but yeah um I'll mention that to our

[34:35] engineers as well. >> Okay.

[34:45] Taylor, thank you for joining us. >> Yeah, thanks.

[34:53] » Tim, do you have anything else on that? >> There are no additions on that

[34:59] particular item. >> Okay. So then we can move on to the

[35:03] amended amendment sub3-2026

[35:09] at 8310 Sylvania Menamore Road which is also

[35:14] another old right building.

[35:23] » We've been wondering what these would become.

[35:26] [laughter]

[35:29] I've been wondering every day >> as you look at it.

[35:32] » We got You got one more. We got one more. Right. Actually, we got two more.

[35:37] » Yeah. >> Oh, good. Good. I'm glad that things are

[35:40] progressing with them. That's very important.

[35:46] So, you have There we There we are. So, um

[35:52] So, we have the application. And is there any presentation you'd like to

[35:56] give us or your full name to for the minutes?

[36:02] » I think Tony is here, our architect. >> This is Donald.

[36:07] » Louis and I unfortunately did not get a chance to um coordinate before this, but

[36:11] I do have a presentation of what was submitted and and it'll probably a

[36:15] little bit more. If you don't mind, I can uh share screen here.

[36:18] » Yep. Can you just state your name and representation? My name is Anthony

[36:23] Malik. I am with Architecture by Design at um 5622 Mayberry Square.

[36:29] » Thank you. >> And let me do um this one. I'll start

[36:36] with a with a maps view. Um so this is the right at the corner of

[36:41] Centennial and Sennsylvania Metamora. Um just to just to give an idea of what it

[36:47] looks like from street view so we know what we're looking at here. That's

[36:50] looking the other way. Um, that's how it's been for a little while here. Um,

[36:55] what we are proposing and I'm sorry, this is rotated versus north is to the

[36:59] left. Centennial is here. Sylvania metamora is here. This is Centennial.

[37:06] Let me make that red so you can see it. This is Centennial.

[37:12] Um, this is Sylvania Metamora. Um,

[37:18] would be design intent here is to

[37:23] split the building into um three different

[37:28] um spaces. One of which is going to be the convenience store closest to the

[37:32] corner. Um the center of which is going to actually be a car wash that will work

[37:37] within the bay that's that's there now. And then the third part would be a

[37:41] another tenant space. It's it's a large building for a convenience store. So

[37:45] therefore, we wanted to split it into three separate spaces. We did look at

[37:48] the clearance for putting um fuel dispensers in front of the building and

[37:54] parking would potentially go away, but there's lots and lots of parking. Um so

[37:58] there would be space for a car to stack here if need be as well. So 2 4 6 8 10

[38:04] pumps. Um not modifying any of the existing um ingress and egress from the

[38:11] from the site. Now um there's existing um dumpster enclosures in the back. Um,

[38:16] keep the in entry drive where it is. Uh, let me zoom out and go to page two here.

[38:22] Just just show the elevations. And I'm sorry, now my video

[38:27] card wants to take a little time to render this, but um, essentially keeping

[38:32] a similar shape of the building, just giving it some freshener materials. Um,

[38:36] some new canopies and of course a new overhead door and a little bit of

[38:39] architecture where the car wash is going in. Um, Louie, do you have anything to

[38:44] add to this? Um, no. I think you covered it all.

[38:50] » Okay,

[38:54] » I guess. Are there any questions?

[39:02] Um I guess car um most time I see new car

[39:08] washes just being in real estate myself developed in hight traffic or areas you

[39:13] know with like 30 or 40,000 vehicles a day.

[39:17] Um, I'm just curious with this location and

[39:23] with it going in, um, just what else would potentially could be to use in the

[39:28] future if it were to not work for some reason. I know that you guys have the

[39:33] fuel that works with it. But driving through the middle, I mean, like to put

[39:36] a would it be a car bay or a maintenance bay or what the future use would be

[39:42] potentially?

[39:46] I mean, it's a it's a setup for a car wash and uh

[39:53] we thinking to do those um the touchless car wash is like a b car washes. Now, if

[40:00] that if you think that's not going to work or we think that's not going to

[40:03] work, it would be like a tenant unit or a storage unit. That's I mean I

[40:09] don't have anything uh to think right

[40:16] » like the end unit you would be getting rid of that driving

[40:20] capacity or the where like the drive-thru is

[40:24] » no actually we would like to keep it a driveth through that's incentive for to

[40:29] be a tenant um uh for anyone that any business that

[40:35] would like to have a drive-thru could be Okay.

[40:38] » It could be a pharmacy, you know, I know there's a pharmacy independent open or

[40:44] could be in a restaurant. It could be a pizza place. Anyone

[40:50] would be willing to take it. It's an advantage to have a drive-thru.

[40:54] » Gotcha. So there would be two drivethrus potentially

[41:02] for the end cap unit and the center

[41:07] » or just >> Yes. I think you're one one being the

[41:11] drive-thru the actual drive through the building car wash.

[41:16] » Okay. >> Yes. I think that's what you're asking.

[41:18] » Yes. >> Yep.

[41:24] And how traffic will work, I guess, would be um could be

[41:29] determined, updated as need be depending on meetings with the city specifically.

[41:33] But um I guess getting the use in is the issue. I mean, obviously there's a

[41:38] drive-thru now. So um and that that's got it stacking and everything going on

[41:42] here. I was just I I was curious if there was

[41:46] going to be two drive-throughs for that other bay. Um that will be for lease on

[41:51] the southernmost side. So >> be a drive-thru for that as well. We had

[41:58] not discussed that. >> So

[41:59] » okay. >> So a couple of questions in regards to

[42:03] the car wash. Is this

[42:07] are there going to be um dryers inside the car wash?

[42:14] Not inside the um Yes. Yeah. There they're going to be dryers and up by the

[42:19] exit. Yes. >> Okay. And and how far is this from

[42:25] residences to the west? As I'm trying to get my geographic bearings

[42:34] » to the west. I think you got quite a ways. I think to the east,

[42:40] just slightly to the northeast is your closest resonant. Right there where he's

[42:43] got the arrow pointing. >> Yeah, cuz I know these blowers make

[42:49] noise a reasonable amount of noise. Um, will the will the doors in the facility

[42:57] be closed when the blower mo when the blowers are

[43:01] running or is it going to be like a continuous thing where people are

[43:05] continuing to drive up and pull through? How what's what's your vision for that,

[43:09] Mr. Rei? >> Well, it could be both ways. They can

[43:12] simply programmed the door stay closed until the drying is done.

[43:18] Then it will the door will open and the exit sign will turn on.

[43:23] » Okay. >> So yeah,

[43:26] » that's what what we do during winter because it's too cold. Uh it's already

[43:32] in place. We we have the doors closed and other car washes we have in White

[43:36] House. And if that's a concern, we can keep it all year long.

[43:42] » Yeah, that sound attenuation I think would be helpful. Um,

[43:49] and and I'm going to ask you pretty much the same questions I asked the other um

[43:55] gentleman. Is this going to be the convenience store and the car wash, are

[43:59] they going to be operated 24/7? No, not um probably usually most of our

[44:06] neighborhood stores we close 11 p.m. Uh some stores 10 p.m. but I would say no

[44:14] later than 11 p.m. >> Okay.

[44:18] A and same question I asked um earlier. Is this facility going to be um

[44:26] constructed so that you can have electric charging? I mean, you're going

[44:30] to, not that you're going to wire it for electric charging necessarily, but are

[44:34] you going to have um the ability to put electric charging here?

[44:41] » Um I don't know, Tony, if we ever discussed this. I'm not sure because we

[44:45] use an existing building. >> We we had not discussed it. I mean, the

[44:48] electrical infrastructure would need to be added to the building in order to do

[44:51] that, especially if you want the level the level three fast charge. So, um that

[44:56] that could be down the road. Um it was not specifically discussed but it could

[45:00] be down the road. >> Okay. Um and and then lastly

[45:05] the um the same question regarding bond. Is this uh

[45:13] is that something that you're um because you're you know you're

[45:18] burying tanks. I don't know how big the tanks are capacity wise but are you you

[45:22] know are you willing to float a bond to for remediation purposes?

[45:28] Yes. >> Okay.

[45:31] Thank you.

[45:50] » Any other questions, Tim? All right. Everything

[45:55] » Yeah, this will go through the same process of site review. So, um

[45:59] everything will be um reviewed on the engineering side as [clears throat] far

[46:03] as traffic flow um in grass egress. Most of it because this facility has been

[46:10] used as a fairly hightra area. Um in the past, as you know, this right a was one

[46:14] of the busier ones. Um it uh it it held its own um in the past. Um, so I think a

[46:23] lot of it is probably designed um, right? But that that will all get

[46:27] calculated based based off of um, expected trips.

[46:31] Um, as far as the uh, the other portion of it, um, the SUP portion is do they

[46:40] meet the criteria that this board would like to see?

[46:47] » Yeah. Yeah.

[46:52] Can I ask for a motion on uh amendment sub3-2026?

[46:58] I'll I'll make a motion to recommend to um

[47:04] to city council that for approval of SUP3

[47:09] 2000 2026 with um the provision that the doors to the car wash be closed while

[47:18] the drying is going on and that the underground tanks have a bond for

[47:23] remediation purposes included. And lastly, that the that the

[47:29] convenience store does not operate 20

[47:35] closes no later than um

[47:42] I'm trying to think of the right words. Doesn't operate 24/7. That it has a

[47:48] a more traditional schedule. And I don't know if that's a proper motion or not,

[47:51] Tim. Um but >> I think

[47:56] that or within the permitted code. >> Um would I be able to request just just

[48:02] » whichever whichever is more restricting? >> Yeah.

[48:06] » Yeah. >> Would I be able to request a slight

[48:08] clarification to that? Um, and I don't know um the the doors being closed if if

[48:14] it can be proven if the fans can be such that the decibb at a certain distance

[48:18] away are below a certain level and I don't know what that number is. I'm

[48:22] sorry. I'm winging it here. Um, would that be a better criteria if they were

[48:27] able to leave the doors open and the fans weren't that loud?

[48:32] Could we do a decibel test at a certain distance away? And if they if it isn't

[48:35] um, like Lou said, the doors could be closed.

[48:38] » Yeah. And I will um add to that there is a a decibel level at a property line

[48:45] that can be measured by our police department. I do not know exactly what

[48:49] that level if it's 600 or 800 or something like that.

[48:54] » Yeah, I'd rather I'd rather use >> 680 or 860 rings a bell.

[49:00] » I'd rather use a criteria like that if possible. Um Mr.

[49:06] Um

[49:14] I don't know what's in the code. I my concern with that my concern with that

[49:19] just generally speaking and I understand your thought process and I I prefer the

[49:23] scientific approach as well but I but I have some just general concerns uh not

[49:30] specifically about a car wash and the blower motors but we've had um some

[49:36] other stuff that that were were that were installed in the city and the on

[49:41] and off nature the in this case it was um not doesn't have anything to do with

[49:47] a car wash, but uh we've we've had a lot of of complaints from a few citizens

[49:55] um because of the intermittent nature of something going on and off

[49:59] » and and that's the reason why it concerns it concerns me.

[50:05] » Okay. I just wanted to ask. [laughter] >> So I I I think Well, I understand your

[50:11] thought process and I'm not married certainly to that. It doesn't sound like

[50:16] it would be because for four or five months a year

[50:19] you're going to have the doors closed anyways as as Mr. Rei had indicated. I'm

[50:23] not sure it's that much of an imposition to have them closed regardless.

[50:29] » Yeah. So, okay. I just wanted to ask as far as

[50:34] you know putting it into a into a motion here just Okay, that's my comment.

[50:45] » Is there any reason that the car wash does not function [clears throat]

[50:48] equally as well?

[50:54] » I think Mr. Reed probably answers that would answer that better.

[50:58] » I'm sorry. What was the question again? With the garage door closed, is there

[51:02] any reason that the the car wash does not function equally as well?

[51:09] » No, no, it's it doesn't matter. It's just the speed sometimes, you know, just

[51:15] it's easier to keep the door open, but but with the new technology, it's it's

[51:21] there. You can have it shut up and down as many as you want. It's not a concern

[51:27] on our end. Okay.

[51:40] So, Kristen, do you have my motion?

[51:44] » I think so. I'm gonna have to go back and listen again.

[51:48] » Okay. [laughter] I have a recording.

[51:51] » It was It was a touch convoluted or maybe more [laughter] more than a touch

[51:55] convoluted. Yeah, >> I'll second his motion [laughter]

[52:01] » by by a touch convoluted motion. Zach,

[52:07] » all in favor say I. >> I.

[52:10] » I.

[52:13] the motion's been carried or the um amendment sub 3-2026

[52:21] been um carried on and then with Mark's

[52:27] additional comments >> as a recommendation to council

[52:30] » as a recommendation to council.

[52:36] » Any other additions Tim? >> There are no additions.

[52:42] And I ask for a motion for uh journ. >> So moved.

[52:46] » Second. >> All in favor say I.

[52:50] » I. >> That's it. Thank you everyone.

[52:54] » Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. Did anybody have problems

[52:58] getting access to the forms? Did anybody look at

[53:04] the online stuff now? Um,

City of Sylvania, Planning Commission Meeting, Wednesday, July 15th, 2026 at 5:30pm

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