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[2:05] good evening good evening good evening hello

[2:09] can can you hear me not a very big room so I hope you can um welcome to the

[2:16] talaa city council special meeting it's Thursday April the 4th 2024 it's 5:30

[2:23] p.m. and we call the meeting to order please councelor Perry yes councelor

[2:29] Baker here councelor hirers here councelor Allen here we have a qu thank

[2:36] you Ed Hayworth are you here Mr Hayworth if you'll join us for the invocation

[2:45] please please bow your heads Lord I Thank you that that we have

[2:51] a a group of men and women who care about each and every person that depends

[2:58] on them Lord the city of talaa is is such a great place Lord and and and I

[3:06] bless those people that have dedicated their lives to make to keeping it that

[3:10] way or even making it better if that's possible Lord I I thank

[3:16] you for the wisdom and and the the love and the care Lord I I I pray Lord for a

[3:24] a lighter Spirit to sit down on this meeting uh not a heavy

[3:30] doldrum Spirit but a light Spirit a fun spirit and bless everybody that cares

[3:37] enough to come in Jesus's name I pray

[3:53] amen

[3:58] indice I do want to um just briefly mention my

[4:03] apologies for cancelling the meeting on Monday and moving it to today but I

[4:07] watched The Weather Channel and that was our um at 12:30 when the storm rolled in

[4:12] I was a little disappointed that we had called the meeting off I was

[4:15] disappointed at six o'clock we called the meeting off and there was nothing

[4:18] but so my apologies for those that um may have come and were turned away but

[4:22] thank you for being here

[4:26] tonight public comments will be accepted from the general public concerning

[4:32] topics that are not included in the meeting's agenda individuals will be

[4:36] limited to 3 minutes each of speaking time and the cumulative total of all

[4:41] comments from the public shall not exceed 15

[4:44] minutes preference will be given to talaa Residents and in compliance with

[4:49] the Oklahoma open meeting act no action or discussion is permitted by council

[4:54] members on any issue or topic raised by a speaker during this public comment

[4:58] time is there anyone in the audience who would like to give a public comment step

[5:04] up and state your name and address please or Ward you don't have to give us

[5:09] your address if you'll tell us what Ward you're in please uh good evening um

[5:13] greetings mayor and Council my name is William Morgan uh and I live on elant

[5:18] Rock uh on Highway 10 I'm a resident of tall and proud to call this my home the

[5:25] older that has affected tall's business and residence is a concern for myself

[5:29] and Community I appreciate the effort uh the city and tpwa are doing to rectify

[5:35] the situation and as I mentioned I am a business owner and I may have options to

[5:40] eradicate this problem in a quick manner while being coste effective I'll also

[5:44] have options to mitigate the risk of this happening in the

[5:47] future uh I'm aware of the magnitude of this event this takes big thinking and

[5:52] that is a specialty of mine that I do believe I have so I'm looking for the

[5:56] opportunity to speak with those individuals who are heading this up uh

[5:59] this is not a sales call because I'm a voting member in our community and I

[6:03] have personal investments in tall including the city of tall theal Area

[6:08] Chamber of Commerce nor Eastern State University Cherokee Nation and numerous

[6:12] other projects within our great nest of Northeast Oklahoma the success of our

[6:18] community uh the success of our community in all aspects is my concern

[6:22] as I do call it my home I will contribute accordingly I'm able willing

[6:27] and eager to contribute to the answer which I know that we can come to an

[6:31] answer that we can come to I'm readily available to any member to speak to at

[6:35] your convenience I believe most of you know how to reach me want to thank you

[6:38] mayor and Council for your time so

[6:45] much do we have anyone

[6:51] else and a lot of you know me I'm Jim jolof I live at 1505 Aspen Drive in

[6:58] South Bridge we've got an issue out there for storm

[7:03] water and I've I've spoken to Ray Hammond number of times

[7:09] about this um Mr tanah

[7:12] Hill has been out there in my house and looked at the situation you it's a

[7:17] problem needs to be fixed uh Rick Patrick of

[7:22] tpwa has been out there a couple of times and looked at it and he agreed

[7:26] that soon as it dries up we're going to fix it

[7:30] um the storm water manager came out uh young man first thing he told me

[7:36] when he got there I've only got a week left in the job and I'm leaving so

[7:41] whatever you need you need to wait till the next guy comes

[7:45] along I said okay I'll I'll do that I called him I never have met him yet he

[7:51] never returned to call and I don't I don't know who he is

[7:54] so

[7:57] um I've left a number of messages for the mayor and have not had any return

[8:04] calls but um we've got a storm water at back there right behind my house I'm

[8:09] right I can see the the hotel where I'm my back patio I'm fortunate enough I can

[8:16] watch the Cherokee Nation fireworks display from my patio I like that that's

[8:21] a that's a heck of a show they put on but um we've made numerous phone calls

[8:26] and I I don't I don't think I'm in the right place uh the city council is just

[8:31] just a new thing I've never done this before and uh we we've got an issue back

[8:38] there it's in the city tal it's in the city limits it's an

[8:41] niore the mosquitoes during the summer eat us up and it's not only me it's

[8:48] everybody lives in that particular neighborhood right

[8:52] there they call it storm water

[8:56] drainage this water doesn't drain doesn't go anywhere it sits right where

[9:01] it's at I keep being told by a lot of people a lot of people in this room

[9:05] matter of fact soon as it dries up we're going to come in here and fix

[9:10] that it's never going to dry up but you're safe because when it dries

[9:16] up you can fix it but we'll all be dead and gone before that

[9:21] happens but um if I can get any assistance from the city of

[9:26] council city of T quad I really appreciate it it's it's an niore they

[9:32] they sent a a a contractor in there to trim the lines for the high

[9:36] lines they trimmed all the limbs off the trees and left them laying on the ground

[9:42] just let went off and left them there I've been burning

[9:47] them it's if you burn a brush pile in City Telo it's a $50 fine I didn't do

[9:54] that I went to for fire department and talked to him about it Mr if you haul it

[9:58] out to the street time's up okay but thank you very much

[10:02] for your comments okay you can help me I appreciate it thank you so

[10:17] much the end of the public comments or no no no are you ready to do you want to

[10:23] do a public comment yeah got some issues here okay please

[10:28] step up now I'm brand new in this town so um maybe just remind you you get

[10:35] three minutes so and I'm not trying to won be long just letting you know you're

[10:40] right I tried to contact your office too but they get no response and what's your

[10:45] name please my name is Steve odland and I live at

[10:48] 3962 Rosewood Place here in alqua okay we moved in here two years

[10:56] ago all right and I called your office initially you were going to have a

[11:01] meeting with me I have some suggestions to

[11:04] make uh we had a conflict and after that or meetings and after that I never heard

[11:09] from you again so it'd be great if we could get together

[11:13] sometime all right so um one of the issues that I

[11:19] have is um there's the gas company here in town

[11:25] not the twpa uh the other company whatever that

[11:29] name is they don't even say the name on the on the bills

[11:34] here I'm sure you know what company you I'm talking about uh this company has as

[11:41] far as I can see and I looked at the bills uh set up a a

[11:47] policy uh where people they make people pay more than what they're supposed to

[11:54] okay um uh my wife had a hip surger in fville

[12:01] and during that time before we left she forgot U she

[12:05] forgot uh to put the bill in the mail and so as a result we came back

[12:10] after her hip surgery for three days we came back on the

[12:14] 21st and uh we looked I looked in the mail picked up the mail and among the

[12:20] mailes was a cut off notice okay and I looked at the bill and

[12:25] the due date was the 15th of January and the cut off was was the 21st six days

[12:32] later okay as far as I'm concerned that's ridiculous that's

[12:37] outrageous all right um so they cut me off I got the people to come back out

[12:44] and turn it back on all right and I talked to the guy that that uh turned me

[12:49] back on and he told me it's happening all over the place is happening there

[12:54] were the 21st of that that very day that they cut me off I received a letter in

[13:01] the mail or cut off okay that gives you a good idea he told me that up to the

[13:07] 21st of January they had cut off 250 people just here in

[13:13] tala okay and he said and they're operating in still well and they're

[13:18] operating in in these other four districts and I'm thinking to myself

[13:22] every time they cut somebody off they make

[13:26] $75 okay now $75 5 time 250 just here in tar that that's a lot of lot of money

[13:35] and that's just in tar every month right so my point is it would it

[13:41] would be a privilege for that company to operate here in tala that should be

[13:45] subjected to certain rules and this got to change it's got to change yes and I

[13:50] do apologize but your three minutes are up but I do want to visit with you but I

[13:53] also want to give you the phone number and the contact information for the gas

[13:57] Authority because that's this particular issue I contacted the Energy company

[14:03] okay incom Commission in in Tulsa and they said they have no jurisdiction on

[14:08] this company right but let let's try to get together and if you have other

[14:12] issues that aren't pertaining to gas company I would be happy to visit with

[14:14] you schedule another time issues I have be happy to sir thank you very much

[14:20] would I call you then or you call me I don't have your number but if I I don't

[14:24] want you to scream it out across the audience I don't think I would love to

[14:27] have your number do you want to write it down and give it to me okay okay if you

[14:30] would that would be great thank you anyone else for a public

[14:39] comment okay we'll move on to consent agenda item number four these items are

[14:45] placed on the on the consent agenda so that members of the city council by

[14:49] unanimous consent can designate routine items to be approved in one motion any

[14:53] item proposed on the consent agenda not meeting with the approval of all council

[14:57] members will be moved and heard in the regular session do I have a motion for

[15:02] the consent agenda so move I'd I take off C

[15:14] please are there any other items to be

[15:27] removed

[15:37] second any other items or is there

[15:42] motion

[15:46] V I didn't see who made the motion oh no it was Baker no I took off

[15:54] he took off an item oh my God sorry you made to approve with C remove

[16:01] yes councelor Allen yes councelor H highers yes councelor Baker yes counc

[16:07] Perry

[16:18] motion that's uh we we'll do a special Proclamation for National donate a life

[16:25] month oh that's right

[16:32] Mr Ray Hammond are you doing

[16:37] it we need a dress rehearsal we do okay so Proclamation I do have a proclamation

[16:43] then we have some guests with us this evening that we'd like to introduce to

[16:46] everyone so the proclamation reads as follows whereas one of the most

[16:51] meaningful gifts that a human being can bestow upon another is the gift of life

[16:56] and whereas over 103,000 men women and children are currently on the national

[17:02] waiting list for organ transplantation of which nearly 742

[17:07] reside in Oklahoma and whereas 649 organ transplants occurred in Oklahoma in 2023

[17:14] thanks to the selfless generosity donor Heroes of which 559 lives were saved

[17:22] whereas more than 2.5 million people throughout the country and in Oklahoma

[17:26] benefit annually from tissue transplant thanks to thousands of tissue donors and

[17:32] whereas the need for organ eye and tissue donation remains critical as a

[17:36] new patient is added to the wait National waiting list for an organ

[17:40] transplant every nine minutes and eight each day roughly 17 people died due to

[17:47] the lack of available organs and whereas about

[17:52] 1,956 th000 Oklahomans have already registered their decision to give the

[17:56] gift of life through organ and tissue donation at lifeshare oklahoma. org or

[18:02] on their driver's license and whereas lifeshare Oklahoma the nonprofit organ

[18:08] procurement organization dedicated to the recovery of organs and tissue for

[18:13] transplantation therapy in Oklahoma with a mission to honor donors and save lives

[18:18] through o organ and tissue donation now I therefore Suzanne Myers with a power

[18:23] vested in me as mayor of the city of talaa to hereby proclaim the month of

[18:27] April 24th for donation life month in the city of talaa and encourage all

[18:34] residents to consider giving life through Oregan donation and to sign up

[18:38] on Oklahoma's organ and tissue donor registry by visiting lifeshare

[18:43] registry.org or when renewing their driver's license or state

[18:48] identification card in witness thereof I have unto here set my hand and caused

[18:53] the Great Seal of the city of talaa to be fixed this first day of April 20 24

[18:59] and I'm happy to do

[19:14] that thank [Music]

[19:27] you

[19:43] thank you very much mayor my name is Susan earler I work at Life share

[19:47] Oklahoma I have um the wonderful opportunity to be able to work for this

[19:52] organization um they are an amazing organization and like you said mayor

[19:56] there's so many things that we do every day to save lives um Donate Life month

[20:01] is something that is a national celebration of life across the entire

[20:04] country um Life share of Oklahoma were the ones that that celebrate it through

[20:09] the entire State we want to first off say very uh huge thank you out to your

[20:13] two Health Systems here in talaa because we work very very closely with Cherokee

[20:18] Nation WW Hastings and Northeastern Health Systems who um absolutely support

[20:24] everything that we do when it comes to organ and tissue donation and we have um

[20:29] a large number of donors that come from this community and so we are very

[20:32] thankful of that one of the things that I just want to touch on that you also

[20:36] touched on is uh the need for more organ and tissue donors um we have quite a

[20:42] number here in the state of Oklahoma but there's always room for I think a lot of

[20:46] times there is a a miscommunication on what exactly donation means and we are

[20:51] more than happy to sit down and talk to anybody about exactly what that's going

[20:55] to look like but more than anything we would like to encourage you to take

[20:59] control of your own decision making and make sure that you yourself are

[21:03] registered um you can register like you said on your driver's license in the

[21:06] state of Oklahoma you can also register on your hunting and fishing license you

[21:10] can register on your real ID and then you can also register on the Life share

[21:14] website uh the Life share website what's different about that is it allows you

[21:18] the opportunity to say exactly what you want uh recovered and what you don't

[21:22] want recovered so my mom who's 85 years old has decided that everything is okay

[21:26] except for her corneas she's like take everything but my corneas she's good

[21:31] with that she was not going to register because she was concerned about that so

[21:34] on the live share website you can go on that and that's where you can designate

[21:39] um I authorize any and all things recovered except for and you can um and

[21:44] that way you have uh control over what it is that your decisions are um as

[21:48] someone who's on the front line every single day it is heartbreaking to see

[21:52] families literally go to fisticuffs when it comes to making this decision you'll

[21:57] have a faction of the family that says absolutely they would want this and then

[22:00] affection absolutely they would not and uh time is wasting when it comes to the

[22:06] decisions being made in the time that we need to be able to recover these uh

[22:10] these organs and this tissue and so if you can make that decision yourself make

[22:14] it be known and also you can rest assured in knowing that because of first

[22:18] person authorization if you have been the one that has designated that you

[22:22] want to be a donor you're a registered donor nobody can ever take that away

[22:26] from you and that's very very important for for people to know that if they've

[22:29] made that decision nobody in their family not a husband not a spouse I mean

[22:34] not you know anybody else uh Mom Dad nobody can change your mind if you've

[22:38] already made that decision and you've registered so you can also feel

[22:42] comfortable in knowing that your decision is going to be um it's going to

[22:46] be looked at and we are going to make sure that that happens so just wanted to

[22:49] make sure everybody knows that this month is uh we said Donate Life month

[22:53] we've chosen the paper crane uh origami crane to be sort of our theme this year

[22:58] so mayor I have a T-shirt and a pen and I also have pins for everybody else if

[23:02] you'd like to wear one just wear it proudly and when people ask you what

[23:05] this means that'll be your opportunity to tell them that talaa supports uh

[23:09] organ and tissue donation and that this is the month to do it and we need people

[23:14] to be registering all year around but this is definitely the month that we

[23:17] kind of focus on that so we genuinely appreciate you recognizing the work that

[23:23] we do and recognizing um that it is such an important thing for everybody to take

[23:28] a look at and make a decision than time thank you for what you do every day than

[23:36] you that'd be fine yeah thank you so much goodies she's full of goodies right

[23:43] yeah thank

[23:47] you moving on announcements and presentations Item

[23:52] B cpwa statement to the

[23:57] public

[24:06] good evening my name is Kim Dar I'm the assistant general manager at tala Public

[24:10] Works um please forgive us Mr Curtis was unavailable this evening he was he could

[24:15] have been here Monday but not tonight um I have David with me David Lindsay he

[24:20] worked at the waste treatment plant for uh 15 years before being promoted to

[24:25] special services director um he has our letter that Mr Curtis and the rest of us

[24:31] put together that was posted on our Facebook page and I will let him read it

[24:35] since you probably don't want to listen to me much

[24:38] more thank

[24:42] you good evening mayor and Council uh my name is David

[24:47] Lindsay this statement to the public we are aware of the odor issues permeating

[24:53] the city and we are aware we are actively working on correcting this

[24:57] issue We Believe unknown substances were illegally dumped in our M holes at some

[25:02] point this may seem trivial but it can seriously disrupt the wastewater

[25:07] treatment process and leave the city smelling foul the wastewater treatment

[25:11] system relies on bacteria to treat waste and keep odors at Bay when someone dumps

[25:16] chemicals grease oil Etc in manhold it can kill the good bacteria used for

[25:22] waste treatment and it can take months to remedy the situation like this the

[25:26] source of ins sight of the contamination is currently unknown but we are actively

[25:31] working with EQ to pinpoint this information the unknown substance

[25:35] completely killed off all the good bacteria in our basins in my 18 years of

[25:40] experience at wastewater treatment facility this has only happened one

[25:44] other time we are working with DEQ and surrounding wastewater treatment

[25:48] facilities oh and the surrounding wastewater treatment facilities to

[25:51] restore the good bacteria in our reservoirs we are constantly bringing in

[25:56] sludge process of reing feting our basins with good bacteria from another

[26:01] facility and even looking into chemical treatment that may help Quicken the

[26:04] process our laboratory numbers are currently trending in the right

[26:08] direction but the process is lengthy as we get the correct balance back of good

[26:14] bacteria the odor will begin to dissipate we understand the aspiration

[26:20] this has caused our community we are doing everything in our power and

[26:23] actively working with DQ to remedy the situation if you hear anyone or see any

[26:30] dumping any if you hear of anyone or see anyone

[26:35] dumping anything into the manhole report it to local authorities immediately we

[26:40] appreciate your patience sincerely Daryl Curtis Waste Water treatment facility or

[26:45] plant superintendent thank you very much and

[26:48] we appreciate the comment made to the public

[26:52] and the information that was shared hopefully that will answer a lot of

[26:56] questions and it's nice to see that we're moving in a corrective manner to

[27:00] get things back to normal so thank you very much for the work you've done thank

[27:10] you item 6A discussion and possible action on items removed from the consent

[27:15] agenda item C was removed acknowledge receipt of the February 2024 investment

[27:23] schedule uh I'm going to address this to Marty if you don't mind sir um on page

[27:28] 13 of the uh for the I think it was the February 2024 investment schedule the I

[27:38] noticed that there were several that were coming uh due or you know into

[27:45] uh for lack of a better word maturity the when's the last time that

[27:53] we uh checked on when's when when would we

[28:00] start that specific program with that specific

[28:05] company been at you're probably more generally asking

[28:11] you

[28:16] know it started a long time before I was on board and um they were a local

[28:22] business I believe and um they were able to handle the amount of volume dollars

[28:27] that that we had mhm and um they were able to uh keep all of it

[28:34] in one place to help Minister it I don't know if that's the question I was just

[28:39] basically I noticed that they were you know coming to maturity I just was

[28:43] trying to you know at least inquire as to if we've already checked to see if we

[28:49] can get better rates or a better opportunity for investment yeah um you

[28:55] know there's always um there's always opportunity out there you know depending

[29:00] on your work you know I'm a banker so we have we have them available at our bank

[29:05] yes sir sometimes higher sometimes lower um but I'm I do Market comps and I stay

[29:12] within the market on them in Market rates and so um you know there may be a

[29:17] bank that runs a special for a short period of time but with the amount of

[29:21] money and the amount of CDs we have it's quite frankly administering it um at one

[29:27] place is I'm a whole lot more organized we have I think there's probably four

[29:36] maturing um in 24 I might have had one mature last week uh you know I talked to

[29:42] the broker I knew what I could get I see what's out in the market um I reinvested

[29:47] it based on a ladder um based on a ladder positioning that way there's

[29:54] always liquidity um if the city ever needs some

[29:58] liquidity um there will always be a source of liquidity for that year and

[30:03] you know versus if you put them all in once and then they all mature um at the

[30:08] same date in the future you know if something happens in the city needed

[30:12] money um we would have to you know pay penalties fees and penalties and

[30:17] interest to get it them out and so um this way it keeps them fluid but we

[30:22] haven't at least looked into other opportunities for for quite some time

[30:28] uh I look all the time okay but I mean it's just that I'm keeping them at

[30:33] Edward Jones right now

[30:37] okay that was my question any other questions for Marty

[30:42] or anyone else regarding that item do we have a motion for that

[30:48] item so moved second councelor Allen yes councelor

[30:54] Baker yes councelor hirers yes councelor Perry yes motion

[31:01] carried thank

[31:07] you item 6B discussion and possible action to authorize the mayor to sign

[31:12] the grant notice of award from Eda to the talaka accessibility and parking

[31:16] Improvement project and sign other necessary documents related to set grant

[31:22] compliance coordinator Ray Hammond mayor and Council this is Eda

[31:28] grant that we received uh in the tune of a little north of 1.8 million this is a

[31:34] grant that Taylor had been working on for some time uh and and initiated it

[31:39] came it goes from going snake roughly to Chickasaw uh where they will be uh

[31:46] correcting the ADA Compliant uh plates and and ramps also the push button

[31:54] crosswalks as well as Ada drives uh they will be submitting uh a plan uh as to uh

[32:03] uh as to how they're going to implement this but the the grant funds are in we

[32:08] were awarded that and uh we are requesting that the mayor be allowed to

[32:13] accept those funds for that Grant purpose the money that matching fund has

[32:19] already been uh secured through uh means of arpa and the help of Michelle Collins

[32:25] our finance director

[32:28] and this will also include uh some parking lot improvements correct you

[32:33] know I'm I'm not going to speak to that I I think there is but I think it's

[32:38] going to help like the the demo of the building down at the old laundry mat and

[32:43] then maybe possibly some parking up around Downing and uh maybe maybe

[32:49] possibly a Bridgeway I don't

[32:52] know we'll see how it goes we'll see what you guys want to do

[32:59] motion to approve second councelor Allen yes councelor Perry yes councelor Baker

[33:06] yes councelor hirers yes motion carried $1.9

[33:12] million sort really close congratulations to everyone

[33:19] that I would like to say that Michelle put a lot of effort in with the Auditors

[33:23] making this thing happen correctly she really her and her crew did an

[33:27] outstanding job making it

[33:33] work item 6C second reading and possible action to approve approve with

[33:38] modification or deny ordinance number 1376

[33:44] d024 an ordinance of the city of Taqua Oklahoma amending the Taqua city code

[33:49] part 18 stormwater management chapter 18-1 storm water management program

[33:55] section 18-8 s fees providing for codification severability repealer and

[34:02] declaring an emergency compliance coordinator Ray

[34:06] Hammond uh yes this is a second reading as you've heard uh same as before uh

[34:13] since the initial uh beginnings of our storm water

[34:17] program we have not increased any fees uh and the projects uh as you know

[34:23] materials has doubled since the roughly 2008 so uh sometimes in some cases

[34:30] tripled but we do uh we're asking that the fees uh be increased from at

[34:36] residential from $2 to $4 uh from commercial $4 to $8 and for uh other

[34:44] larger complexes it which there's not very many would be from $8 to

[34:50] $16 monthly sorry Mr the ordinance presented

[34:55] is from $10 to 20 I apologize I apologize uh this will put us also

[35:01] kind of almost caught up with most other cities as far as what they charge for

[35:05] storm water

[35:11] pce is there a

[35:18] motion I make motion to

[35:22] approve I'll second councelor hirers yes councelor

[35:28] Baker yes councelor Perry yes councelor Allen yes motion

[35:39] carried do we have a motion for

[35:48] emergency before this starts I'll make the question it is there any safety

[35:52] issues that that we need to look at or does this qualify for that

[35:58] I I just think the the ordinance has an effective date of July one so even if

[36:03] you pass an emergency still noted till July at last meeting we I think we were

[36:11] all in accordance that we would just go ahead and and read it as the second not

[36:15] do the emergency and a lap to take a p

[36:23] July item 6C first reading and possible action to approve approv with

[36:28] modifications or deny or ordinance number 1377 d224 an ordinance of the

[36:34] city of tala Oklahom amending the tala city code part 17 utilities part 175

[36:41] Solid Waste Department establishment and collection and disposal of solid waste

[36:46] by adding section 17-5 intensive residential developments

[36:52] providing

[36:56] for lift your page yes providing for

[37:01] codification separability repealer and declaring an

[37:05] emergency Solid Waste superintendent Chris

[37:18] Armstrong hello um the reason we're asking to uh

[37:24] update this and add it is because a lot of of these um Family dwellings have

[37:31] multiple H like have multiple houses there's you know 10 trailers or there's

[37:36] six duplexes so if these places want carts there's going to be an

[37:41] overabundance of carts like just there a lot of these places have high uh renters

[37:46] they come in and out they come and go this will help protect those uh Property

[37:50] Owners uh from getting their cart stolen because if their resident steals their

[37:54] cart the um property owners responsible to replace that cart for the cost of $90

[38:00] so if we have a centralized dumpster that they can go to like that will keep

[38:06] you know some of these landlord U or Property Owners having to reach into

[38:11] their book to uh pay for these dumpsters so a centralized locations for trailers

[38:17] apartments and duplexes with a larger um housing of four so two two duplexes

[38:25] which would be four units like we're not really about that is just the greater so

[38:30] would these uh be required to have a fence around them like we have at other

[38:35] establishments across the um city I would say so because that's still part

[38:40] of the city code uh if it is tucked away because like a part of the code says

[38:44] that if it's an I view or like in the public view then they have to have it

[38:48] enclosed but if it is say you have like a like a a u yes and it's tucked off in

[38:54] the back then you don't have to so it's like some of these businesses around

[38:58] here that have it behind their building if our truck can swing it then they

[39:02] don't have to have the enclosure it's just if it's out on the public view so

[39:06] if you can see it from the road you're supposed to have an

[39:11] enclosure questions as a cost effective measure

[39:16] this you know you know not knowing whether or how

[39:21] many people are going to be affected on building the fences or whatever uh you

[39:25] think this is going to save not only time money yes uh for us and the

[39:30] property owners because uh the more stop like the more trash canins you have the

[39:34] more we have to stop and pick it up and dump it so if a hydraulic line breaks

[39:39] it's all over the property um so if you have eight units and they all have two

[39:43] that's 16 times we have to stop but if they have a three yard dumpster we back

[39:48] in we dump it we leave we're not stopping and go and stopping and go

[39:52] stopping and go so um if everything is paved correctly or Gra TR correctly

[39:58] we're in and out and our traffic on our side for our vehicles and you know the

[40:02] safety part of it if it snows or anything it's less likely we're going to

[40:05] slide into somebody or hurt anybody or anything like that so um to me it sounds

[40:11] like a a great idea to get in and out and not have to linger around their

[40:15] houses or their cars or anything like that how many locations for these multi

[40:19] families uh right now I haven't really took a headcount uh I I know on Corn

[40:25] Street they have some development going uh this was just something I've been

[40:28] working on just trying to figure out how this can help the community U so to give

[40:33] you an exact number there there's not a lot like bumblebee trailer park over on

[40:39] Allen uh Vance trailer park and some other ones have already bought into it

[40:44] so we have dumpsters there uh it's just these newer housing developments with

[40:49] these guys coming in building and all this stuff I like to have them plotted

[40:53] in their layout and their blueprints before and I don't just jump on them and

[40:58] say hey you got to build this now too so we put it in our ordinance it' be you

[41:03] know up to date for them too did you find out how many locations yeah I mean

[41:08] just kind of you know I just am curious on that yeah I can do that I bring some

[41:15] numbers extra extra work but I'm actually kind of curious Oh no you're

[41:19] good man like you know keep me keep my due diligence up I got take care of

[41:25] it anything else

[41:31] we have a motion first reading on that first

[41:35] reading it does include an emergency so if you do wish to approve it as an

[41:39] emergency you can't approve it's

[41:46] not that's I was gonna ask is this I mean does this need to happen

[41:50] tonight I can get you numbers and come back at second reading okay and then we

[41:55] go there than you Chris thank you very much

[41:59] let me just follow up on that mayor at at the last city council meeting our

[42:02] city administrator uh directed me to include an emergency clause on all on

[42:06] all ordinances because the management did not wish to decide for itself what

[42:10] it was and was not an emergency we want to give the council that opportunity

[42:13] each time thank

[42:18] thank item 6E first reading and possible action to approve approve with

[42:22] modification or deny ordinance number 1378 d224

[42:27] an ordinance of the City of talaa Oklahoma to amend the city code tala

[42:32] city code part 14 streets and Public Works chapter 14-2 use and obstruction

[42:38] of streets and sidewalks by amending section 14- 217 excavation and streets

[42:43] permits providing for codification separability repealer and declaring an

[42:48] emergency compliance coordinator Ray Hammond mayor and Council I'll I'll try

[42:53] to mddle through this best I can this is going to be uh an ordinance that's going

[42:58] to give us some authority of the use of the easements that we have throughout

[43:02] our community uh as of recent we have had some experience with the different

[43:07] contractors coming in using the easements uh you know uh putting in

[43:11] things in the ground in the air uh so forth causes some disruption this gives

[43:16] us some oversight gives us a little bit of whether we want to permit them to do

[43:20] it or not uh I believe this will be a a good uh Avenue to go to try to correct

[43:27] some of the problems uh even still today had to deal with quite a few for some uh

[43:32] uh illegal digs across the streets and curb cuts and Street Cuts uh that uh

[43:37] that happen so uh it'll save a lot of trouble for staff and uh for your

[43:42] residents to for us to have some for uh warning and some oversight as to who

[43:48] gets to use these easements and who does not I think tpwa will certainly

[43:54] appreciate it as well

[44:02] our recommendation staff recommendation is to pass I just I have one question um

[44:09] so in the ordinance section 14-17 it talks about uh approval and it

[44:15] says you have to first obtain a permit from the city clerk with the approval of

[44:19] the street commissioner and the superintendent of the municipal Utility

[44:26] Board so I guess I have two part questions one who is that is that

[44:32] talking Mike doublehead that would be Mike doublehead kimor or their staff

[44:36] that they appoint to to handle that so so we are talking ttwa yes sir and we're

[44:41] only talking ttwa we're not talking not correct no sir they have the poles and

[44:48] the water lines uh that are that are the bulk of the problem sewer lines that was

[44:53] my assumption but I don't like to assume so I wanted to ask

[44:58] um then to go along with that if you look up at the top the ne the the page

[45:03] before the background in the description that I assume Taylor has written it says

[45:09] this ordinance will develop a policy requiring businesses doing work within

[45:13] the city's RightWay to get a permit that must be approved by the street

[45:16] commissioner and planning director before beginning work so is his

[45:21] intention to also include the P planning director and if so does that need to be

[45:26] part of the ordinance because we've spelled out two people in the ordinance

[45:30] that has to be approved which are not the same two people that Taylor has in

[45:34] the

[45:37] background certainly if that was Mr tanah Hill's intent we would need to

[45:41] strike the superintendent of the municipal Utility Board and substitute

[45:44] that with the planning director well I assume since it's not okay but I assume

[45:49] since it's not underlined that the superintendent municipal

[45:55] mici simple Utility Board is current ordinance that's

[46:00] correct so I just don't I I guess my thought is or is he wanting to add the

[46:06] Planning Commission or does he assume that the

[46:09] planning the planning you that might be practice that you have to get those but

[46:16] it's not obviously ordinate certainly right now the planning uh director has

[46:21] no involvement official involvement in this

[46:25] process

[46:30] in my opinion it makes the most sense that the planning director is is is the

[46:36] person I mean they're in my thought process are

[46:44] the to say the person that runs the show in that area but I don't know I mean I I

[46:51] want to do I I agree in theory of what's Happening Here but I want to make sure

[46:56] that we're actually passing an ordinance

[47:01] that is what he's expecting and so I don't I don't know um

[47:08] an Andor to be honest with you an Andor and or PL

[47:15] director in in the the concept of when they bring their ATT plans to the TAC

[47:21] meeting the planning director and the street commissioner are the ones that

[47:24] would be most involved they would jointly be most

[47:27] involved uh and and I think that they would work jointly in this so I think uh

[47:34] Andor would be appropriate but I also think that you know both of them have to

[47:38] have some in some input on this so I mean I would it doesn't bother me to

[47:43] have both there and uh I mean it doesn't mean it doesn't bother me to have all

[47:48] three um but right now we've got two on one side and two on the other and I want

[47:54] to make yeah I mean if you have if you have

[47:58] tpwa they own the polls right and uh they're they belong to them and and and

[48:04] we can't as a body give them permission to be used by other utilities without

[48:09] their permission so you know

[48:14] that's so I guess my suggestion maybe would be to just allow this to be the

[48:20] first reading Mr T Mr tanah Hill will be back by next month

[48:28] um and then at next month we can Amendment amend that

[48:34] correct before we were to potentially pass it on a second

[48:43] reading uh I am I am U visiting with Mr tanah Hill

[48:48] here he is unable to join us on uh Zoom here

[48:53] uh he says it should be tpw uh planning director could be included

[49:00] but and I hope he's listening here U he he wants us to be the street

[49:07] commissioner and tpwa appears to be uh indifferent on the planning

[49:19] director I think it's imperative that you have the street commissioner and

[49:23] tpwa just because of what I've had to deal with in the last 10 months

[49:29] months but planning director would be awesome to have on that as well they're

[49:33] going to she's going to be working with them

[49:36] anyway but you're saying Taylor is different about whether or not he needs

[49:40] to be there or not the planning director yes he's indiffer with the planning

[49:44] director needs to have an official role in this would that would that slow down

[49:47] the process for people that are jumping if they had to have all three people

[49:50] there every time a decision had to be made about this um it well the decision

[49:56] would be made and they would they would present a plan for the entire city so it

[49:59] wouldn't slow them down because all three of them would be in on those plans

[50:03] now uh if if they were coming in and just doing it by peac maill then yes but

[50:08] they they don't do that they usually come with an entire plan of of the

[50:12] entire city so uh I don't think it's going to slow them down uh but again I

[50:17] think uh our street commissioner and our our Public Works is going to always uh

[50:23] lean towards that Tac committee to make sure that they have input from them and

[50:29] this permit has to go before that committee before yes before they start

[50:35] digging before they start hanging

[50:41] okay if Taylor Mr tanning Hill has has said you know that the intent is to

[50:47] leave the ordinance as is only add public right away then I'm I'm

[50:52] absolutely fine with that as well we've got a lot going on right now so

[50:57] so Mo a motion to approve because it's got an emergency

[51:01] clause on it correct if you were to approve we will need approve the

[51:04] emergency clause for to take effect yes we do that we have to do that separately

[51:08] or that's correct must be separate so I'll make the first motion to approve

[51:13] I'll second okay I do have a question just to clarify with it being the first

[51:18] reading just make sure that we can there's not problema does it necessary

[51:23] qualify to have reading under the city Charter all

[51:27] ordinances must have a second reading unless that ordinance is declared an

[51:31] emergency so if you declare if you approve it tonight but don't for some

[51:35] reason don't declare an emergency it is not approved it must come back at the

[51:39] next

[51:43] meeting councilor Allen yes councelor hirers yes councelor

[51:48] Baker yes councelor Perry yes motion Carri motion to declare this an

[51:55] emergency I'll second councelor Allen yes

[52:00] councelor hirers yes councelor Baker yes councelor

[52:06] Perry yes motion

[52:12] carried item 6f discussion and possible action to approve approve with

[52:16] modification or deny accepting the bid amount of $84,500 from Calin and sense

[52:22] roofing for the senior citizens roof improvements compliance coordinator Ray

[52:27] Hammond and City attorney JT Hammond

[52:32] noted well we actually are we found out we're distant

[52:36] cousins so there uh yes this is uh we went out for

[52:42] bid for replacement of the roof of senior citizen is much needed uh

[52:46] application on that building uh we got I believe six bids back in uh six or seven

[52:55] U anyhow we had uh the low bid uh which was

[53:01] 64,000 67 67,000 and then the second bid was

[53:08] 84,500 and uh after review uh and I'll I'll let Esquire take over at this point

[53:14] but uh he can do the verbiage better than I but we we did choose a bidder

[53:19] City staff is recommending you go with the second low bidder as we've done

[53:23] before whenever you're going with the non- low bidder you must give a reason

[53:26] in the record for that uh this is the statement staff would ask city council

[53:31] to adopt as the lowest bid is significantly under staff's estimate of

[53:35] the project cost the city finds the lowest bid to not be the BET lowest

[53:40] responsible

[53:48] bid to

[53:55] approve councelor

[54:00] Baker were you did you make the motion I'm sorry I did not make the motion I

[54:04] councelor Alan can I have a question to your motion if you don't mind yes um

[54:10] responsible that kind of terminology is very

[54:18] vague is it can we what I'm having a problem with is is

[54:24] understanding you know qualifiable I think is

[54:30] a when talking about a bit is it qualifiable I mean do we understand it

[54:36] do we actually see where I'm just trying to you know clarify the words

[54:40] responsible so as using the state's competitive bidding uh laws U the goal

[54:47] of the competitive bidding acts are twofold and only twofold it's to ensure

[54:51] the taxpayer one is to ensure the Integrity of the of the bidding process

[54:55] itself so for example uh I'll pick on my long lost cousin here uh he could not

[55:01] submit a bid for a city project because there's a fear of nepotism we have to

[55:05] protect so we just have if he were to bid we have a genuine concern about the

[55:09] the fairness of the process so we would reject a bid from Mr Hammond on the

[55:14] grounds that the bidding process may be susceptible to

[55:18] nepotism the second prong is to Ure the taxpayer the taxpayers actually receive

[55:23] the project at the lowest possible price price if the city staff is concerned

[55:30] that given the disparity between our internal estimates of what this project

[55:35] should cost and the bids actually received by the low bidder we don't feel

[55:39] that it will actually be done for that cost that change order after change

[55:43] order will become forward and the project will ultimately cost

[55:47] more so we are going the staff recommends that we go with the second

[55:51] low bid as the lowest responsible bidder

[56:00] Allen yes councelor

[56:05] hirers yes councelor Baker yes councelor Perry

[56:10] yes motion

[56:15] carried item 6G discussion and possible action to approve or deny granting the

[56:20] mayor the authority authority to request from okoma Department of Transportation

[56:26] the closure of the intersection at mimosa and Highway 51 bypass compliance

[56:32] coordinator Ray Hammond R Council this is the intersection across from uh where

[56:38] RibCrib uh Citra 21 goes on across to McDonald's and uh reers on the back side

[56:45] uh we've had uh over the years many many accidents there uh there's certainly a

[56:50] Hotpot for the police department and the fire department and

[56:53] EMS uh we have done some re research on it the the state is uh going to

[56:59] permanently close that in the future uh and due to our road construction that we

[57:05] have going on now in the city uh it is a concern that a lot of people are going

[57:09] to be cutting through and trying to dodge some of that road construction and

[57:12] use that as an Avenue increasing uh accidents in that area spoke with uh

[57:18] Chris Wallace with ODOT he is uh amicable and saying he would like to

[57:23] come over here if we wished if the council uh is of mind to go ahead and

[57:28] close that temporary as a cross street until uh it is permanently made that way

[57:36] which hopefully when we start the new Road between mimosa and Park Hill that's

[57:41] they're going to work jointly with us at the same time on that project so uh this

[57:46] is something that I brought up with the 911 board uh police Fire

[57:52] EMS uh and uh they've all and Sheriff's Department and they've all agreed that

[57:58] it is the the right thing to do uh I haven't rely talked to anybody that's

[58:03] opposed to it so it is Staff recommendation and those others

[58:07] recommendation that we go ahead and temporarily close the cross uh Avenue of

[58:14] uh mimosa and the bypass until it is permanently fixed that

[58:19] way um I have one question as to the road trying to divert traffic and so

[58:27] forth we do plan on the oncoming future at least to my understanding of going

[58:33] from Osa to Park Hill with a through road that sir that

[58:40] road if you're if you're headed uh North on Mimosa or coming off of mimosa the

[58:47] head north uh north and west there you can turn right uh you will be able to

[58:51] turn right and go through that dead end across the backside of uh the real

[58:56] estate company there uh Banker cwell there'll be a new road put in there

[59:01] where you can access Park Hill Road and hit the light and then you can go left

[59:05] or right we are giving them giving them a safer opport giving them another

[59:09] opportunity to be able to go through there and go left and right at a

[59:12] stoplight that's controlled and not high speed of mechanism of injury only have

[59:16] block or two away yes sir so they can still so people going to talico Drug

[59:21] Company McDonald's they can still use mahany there's just not going to be that

[59:25] jut off of mosa you won't be able to turn right there yes so that's what cor

[59:30] down so there's that that awkward that awkward kind of a why that goes that way

[59:36] that you're going to take out so that you don't have merging traffic and

[59:39] people waiting back no no no no this will be in the center median between of

[59:45] the bypass that goes from the the Northwest side of mimosa okay to the

[59:51] southeast side of mimosa you won't be able to Jet across four lanes of traffic

[59:56] come out to Mimosa and then you could turn right but you couldn't go straight

[1:00:01] across the straight across will be close correct right or

[1:00:08] correct correct not right correct because you couldn't go straight across

[1:00:14] because that intersection yes but you can go the talic

[1:00:19] lumber the light go left or right I'm just making sure I really

[1:00:25] understand and because that's just a nightmare that area over there

[1:00:35] yeah and I think that is there any way that we could uh inform the public you

[1:00:40] know that this is coming uh well through this meeting through uh our website our

[1:00:46] Facebook uh we will be able to let the public know that it's coming ODOT would

[1:00:51] I'm sure would be glad to share it on theirs as well uh it be much like uh a

[1:00:57] lot of other things we we will notify the public as well as we can uh we can

[1:01:02] do we have our newspaper with us here tonight I'm sure she will probably uh

[1:01:07] mention it as well and I want to make a statement real

[1:01:11] quick um there's been if I'm correct 46 or is

[1:01:16] it 47 Rex in the last six years we had two this last week so there's probably

[1:01:21] 48 48 um I can say when that by pass was

[1:01:27] created in 1985 that intersection alone we had a wreck uh and I was a part of

[1:01:32] that and it was just basically CA of someone Crossing that road and I I do

[1:01:37] think this is a real a large safety problem as well as it will hopefully

[1:01:43] deviate traffic to other avenues that's causing some of the problems uh in the

[1:01:50] neighborhoods as well uh that uh are part of the

[1:01:57] that intersection so I would make the motion

[1:02:04] to it was your to approve motion to approve

[1:02:11] closure I believe it's a request for the mayor to be able to make that contact

[1:02:16] with the OD do I've got to ask the question have

[1:02:21] have we communicated with Taco drug company or McDonald's or any of the of

[1:02:28] those because the only issue that I have and I agree I agree that it's that's a

[1:02:31] really dangerous area but the only issue that I have is is you know

[1:02:37] now people that are using going to McDonald's and and that area they're

[1:02:42] it's G to be kind of difficult to get there if you're coming from you know and

[1:02:46] I know you can't have everything but I just wanted to know like is this going

[1:02:50] to be just like a a huge issue for them have they been

[1:02:55] contacted they been consulted at all those those those you

[1:02:59] know those businesses that are right there with you know I I have not

[1:03:03] personally spoke with Tel drug in that area uh I could just

[1:03:09] say just the public outc for this thing has been for years okay Mr hmon you and

[1:03:16] I spoke or before the meeting it's my understanding that ODOT has already

[1:03:19] approved the permanent closure absolutely this is going to happen by

[1:03:24] temporarily closing it gives the public frankly more time to get to get used to

[1:03:29] the new reality and just to be clear that is OD

[1:03:34] Do's perview that's their area that's they have authority there so this is

[1:03:39] going to be closed and they've already deemed that to happen we're just uh uh

[1:03:44] moving it forward a little quicker because we continue to have damage

[1:03:48] injury and accident in that area okay perfect I just I have

[1:03:54] to I I agree with this in theory but I

[1:04:00] really have been trying to wrap my head around this in practice because I think

[1:04:05] that that intersection at well the Walmart

[1:04:10] intersection I mean that's what everybody calls it is if not the most

[1:04:14] dangerous but it's the most frustrating intersection in talaa for a plethora of

[1:04:20] reasons but it even becomes more frustrating if now now people are

[1:04:26] waiting in line to do nothing but uturn because what they've done is they've

[1:04:30] come out the right and they needed U-turn to go

[1:04:36] left and I are are we just putting I mean I so again in theory I think I

[1:04:42] totally agree with what's happening but in practice are we putting the cart

[1:04:47] before the horse a little bit by not having the other outlets the other

[1:04:50] outlet that they can get to the light at tallet ball Lumber and then and connect

[1:04:57] up I mean do we need shouldn't we be building that road

[1:05:01] I mean if we're building that road we bought the land now it's ready to build

[1:05:05] the load the road to connect from Park Hill

[1:05:09] [Music] to Mimosa rainy not Mimosa it's rain

[1:05:14] manahy or Mimosa actually just on that side and I think you're also creating

[1:05:20] before we close the the outlet I mean because then all you're going to do

[1:05:24] because you're still going to have people that are going they're now

[1:05:27] turning right they're getting to the intersection they're u-turning to come

[1:05:30] back in to go to research or go to yeah and I think you're going to have

[1:05:35] a lot of people now funneling through the research parking lot yeah and I and

[1:05:39] I think I think we really need a I think we need a really good solution

[1:05:46] to get to I don't know if there is one but we really need to to think about I

[1:05:51] mean I I agree that that's really dangerous but to create more problems s

[1:05:56] by stopping one problem I think saving a life is more I agree I just I just

[1:06:02] Council if if I can try this um that don't I don't think this should be a

[1:06:07] straw man issue by saying if we vote against it we're like voting to have

[1:06:12] people pass away on the intersection from car wreckage but I think that it's

[1:06:17] got to be in theory you've got to have a theory you've got to have a a plan in

[1:06:24] place I councilman if I can um because these are

[1:06:29] roads under the jurisdiction of ODOT um no matter what we do tonight uh it's

[1:06:35] purely advisory to ODOT ODOT if we said no don't do this ODOT could could put a

[1:06:41] temporary close sign in the morning uh given that ODOT has already indicated

[1:06:46] this is going to happen uh it's certainly best for us to start putting

[1:06:50] together a plan of what that looks like on the other side I mean this is going

[1:06:53] to happen do you do we know when OD going to close it down yes they're going

[1:06:57] to work in conjunction with us uh whenever we start the road uh and I

[1:07:02] don't have a date but whenever we start the road to go over to Park Hill they're

[1:07:06] going to do it all together so it's going to cause uh you know it's

[1:07:09] construction so it's going to cause some confusion uh no matter what so there's

[1:07:14] if we do it now it's just going to get people I think prepared more for what

[1:07:18] they're fixing to have and and if they don't need to be in that area they'll

[1:07:21] stay away from it till it's complete and if they do then uh they they'll know how

[1:07:26] to navigate that's just my my

[1:07:30] thoughts I I don't I don't have a I don't have a wish one way or the other

[1:07:35] but I do know that it is a very very crazy hot spot for EMS police and fire

[1:07:41] they have to work a lot of accidents

[1:07:48] there and I think you have somebody at the

[1:07:52] podium thank you why can't they put in light just like down at for Street

[1:07:57] Lumber it does not meet the requirements because it's too close together to the

[1:08:02] next light and that's odot's official statement and we've asked that we cried

[1:08:06] for like years and years ago uh Street Department did council did people did

[1:08:11] ODOT said they're too close together between Mogi and uh Park Hill if we put

[1:08:16] another one there we they violate their own rules so they said No Light have

[1:08:21] more accident to's parking lot well and and and yes and

[1:08:26] that on reers I'm just asking I don't know I'm

[1:08:30] not an engineer uh but I do know that reers in theory has always been said

[1:08:35] that's actually a street that goes through there anyway because we do keep

[1:08:38] it striped and we do the parking lot there reers is actually a street on the

[1:08:43] outside of so go ahead uh so just coming from the guy that works the street like

[1:08:48] every day um brain is like that's the road that goes straight across from

[1:08:52] Walmart to Burger King and it goes all the way behind research so it is legal

[1:08:57] to drive through a parking lot to get to another location unless you're going to

[1:09:02] set store so this would also help them like maneuver like behind I use it and

[1:09:09] it's not closing down the access to Mosa you can actually turn right and it's not

[1:09:13] illegal to make a u-turn at tall Lumber so right now uh yes it would be an

[1:09:21] inconvenience but I mean like we're going to put you know safety first or we

[1:09:26] going to put convenience first which I know the research parking lot you know

[1:09:29] that aspect you know we may have to put a patrol car there you know might have

[1:09:33] to enforce that cut through but just throwing that out there there are roads

[1:09:38] back there that are supposed to be traveled that aren't because even if you

[1:09:41] go to McDonald's from the resers parking lot you're going against the grain and

[1:09:46] you can't turn to go through the drive-thru again and even if you go

[1:09:49] straight through the parking lot the parking spots are slided to the east so

[1:09:54] if you're coming in in you're still not able to parkk does that make sense so

[1:09:59] it's a lot of grain they're going against but there are roads there so and

[1:10:02] I and I agree I just think like what Stephen was saying I just think we need

[1:10:05] to really just sit down and get a plan and um into place for this area because

[1:10:11] I think we've all since we've been in tala for so long um that whole South End

[1:10:17] you know we all have experienced that you know maybe we could do things

[1:10:22] have grown a little bit differently but we just are where we're at and you know

[1:10:25] the the traffic there is just horrendous so I think a plan really and I'm sure

[1:10:30] that you guys probably have a lot of thoughts on that but just to just to

[1:10:34] inform everybody and to make sure we're all on the same page I know that we're

[1:10:37] rambling on make one final comment and I know we have a speaker but I I'll I'll

[1:10:41] say this um the gentleman that probably would be a good person to contact is a

[1:10:45] gentleman by the name of Bob Coburn c o b RN uh Mr Cobrin is the former mayor of

[1:10:50] the city of Mogi he has since been appointed this area of Oklahoma as

[1:10:54] representative to the ODOT Transportation Commission uh he would be

[1:10:59] very interested in hearing what tal has to say about this so he can Advocate our

[1:11:02] community's views to the to the agency what was that name one time Bob cobr C O

[1:11:08] B RN yes um I actually had a son who had a

[1:11:13] record that intersection and told the vehicle and it is dangerous part of the

[1:11:18] problem though is the speed limit from Park Hill down to the intersection the

[1:11:23] Walmart intersection by Chili's and everything

[1:11:25] I think that when they're closing that they need to study the speed limit

[1:11:30] between Park Hill Road and U Mogi Avenue because people come flying through there

[1:11:37] which is what happened to my son um this woman was quite a ways away but she was

[1:11:42] going 65 miles an hour eating burrito and um so I really do think if

[1:11:49] you know if they're going to be doing this while they're at it they need to

[1:11:53] consider slowing people down maybe even putting up flashing lights so that they

[1:11:56] see you know the speed limit has changed and you know and they need to slow down

[1:12:01] because people do come blind through there and I don't think closing that

[1:12:05] cross intersection is going to stop that they're going to continue to just barrel

[1:12:09] down through there I mean while they're doing the construction on the bridge

[1:12:12] right now yes people are slower but when that opens back up it's a it's a freeway

[1:12:17] and they just come flying down through there so I would suggest or ask if that

[1:12:22] can be you know brought up in the plans we're closing that thank you thank you I

[1:12:28] can speak to what uh ODOT has attested that they uh they have done a study on

[1:12:34] the speed limit through there they agree with what the lady said uh people do

[1:12:37] come around there too fast uh they but it's it's not unlike a lot of other

[1:12:42] places in our town the difference is is that particular part has an intersection

[1:12:47] where people Collide if they turn left and they take off like crazy going east

[1:12:52] or west uh you don't have the Collision that you have like you do because

[1:12:57] there's a stoplight there that assists it at Mimosa there's no stoplight

[1:13:03] so if you turn if you're coming in South you're coming in from the south north

[1:13:07] you turn left and you head out towards Phoenix Park or the airport you're still

[1:13:12] going fast but there's a stoplight to regulate you there and there's not one

[1:13:16] at mimosa and there's not going to be

[1:13:21] one so I think I in theory I like what I think the

[1:13:28] spirit of this is and so I would be for giving the mayor the authority to

[1:13:35] start the conversation with ODOT about you know what can we do but I I do think

[1:13:43] that there in my head it's not just as easy as let's close down this

[1:13:49] intersection and then say that we've done our good deed and move forward

[1:13:53] because I think then all we're going to do is we've now Kick the Can down

[1:13:57] to other intersections to stop lights one that you can access easily one that

[1:14:03] you can't to get anywhere else and then and I you're just gonna have people

[1:14:09] turning you I mean it's going to be U-turn Central from 4:30 to 6

[1:14:15] o'clock on in an already busy intersection that half the time people

[1:14:21] you can't turn left if you're coming from the

[1:14:28] West you can't turn I think it's West if you're coming

[1:14:33] from like a car wash which

[1:14:40] one whatever I I also would people are in the intersection we all know

[1:14:45] everybody in this room is notd in their heads they know what I'm talking about

[1:14:48] right and I I also understand I I get it if

[1:14:53] they're going to close it down anyway but to me

[1:14:56] it's going to be down the road I'm not comfortable making a decision without

[1:15:00] communicating with the businesses that could be

[1:15:03] impacted without I don't I don't want them to just feel like where did this

[1:15:07] come from resar well you know all of these businesses that depend on traffic

[1:15:13] and I don't want to create a I I just I don't want to jump I I would much rather

[1:15:18] do this going in with everybody knowing what's happening and getting the

[1:15:21] opportunity to give their input um that's that's what I feel I

[1:15:26] mean I I just would I I know that we're talking about Public Safety but at the

[1:15:30] same time if there something that we can make a decision on and get everybody's

[1:15:35] opinion and then make make a more educated like like I don't want to I

[1:15:41] don't want to I don't want to say something that everybody else is gonna

[1:15:45] come and say I had no idea this was on the meeting I said tonight to to JT I

[1:15:51] said uh you know we've never had anybody say no they don't want this everybody

[1:15:54] wants until we do it and then somebody's going to say no they didn't want it uh

[1:15:59] that's just the way things are I have talked to a few of the people around

[1:16:02] there that are in business and they all say why isn't the city doing something

[1:16:07] to close this intersection I've never heard anyone say oh no they need to

[1:16:12] leave it open everybody's like they need to do something these are the businesses

[1:16:15] that are right close by I won't name them out publicly but that that's that's

[1:16:20] certainly what has been said to me well and I would think in my mind my answer

[1:16:24] to that would be we are doing something which is why we bought the land behind

[1:16:29] Coldwell to form the road between Park Hill to rain Mia Mahan and Mimosa to

[1:16:36] give an outlet that way there's an outlet a safer place for people to come

[1:16:41] from that area to Park Hill Road to now you're at a light that you can go right

[1:16:46] or left from so in my head this whole time I've been thinking that is the

[1:16:52] Avenue that we're trying to take to make this a safer

[1:16:56] intersection and now we've just jumped in in my opinion that maybe we couldn't

[1:17:02] we're on step you know C when we just skip step B but that's just me I mean

[1:17:10] I'm just I did forget one one particular uh person that that uh was in on the

[1:17:16] conversation and he did say that yes it was a very good idea to go ahead and

[1:17:19] shut it down that was our street commissioner he was very much in

[1:17:22] agreeance with that it need to be done so not that that's an influence it's

[1:17:26] just that I did talk to all the players as far as emergency personnel and the uh

[1:17:31] the street Personnel to find out where they stood and that's that's pretty much

[1:17:36] all I have to say about that Chief Baker do you have anything that you would want

[1:17:40] to add from a professional observation not to put you on the spot

[1:17:45] but you showed up not to put you on the spot but come

[1:17:49] to the microphone and tell us what you think zoom in on the camera I mean I

[1:17:54] agree with Ray I mean it's it's a bad intersection it's been a bad

[1:17:57] intersection for a long time it's I think when they develop the bypass you

[1:18:01] know when you develop bypass and started having these roads you just tee into it

[1:18:06] um is a bad is a bad recipe for disaster I mean my opinion which is today is a

[1:18:12] bad day to say this because we had a bad wreck on that but to me a roundabout

[1:18:17] would be a good solution for there in rainy um I've traveled on different

[1:18:22] places that have them all over and I mean they seem to flow a lot easier slow

[1:18:25] people down and you still have your outs but I would say it's a very bad

[1:18:36] intersection

[1:18:41] professional and it is inevitable inev I think the more frustrating part

[1:18:47] is we've been debating an issue for 20 minutes that we really have no control

[1:18:51] over because we're just saying can the mayor send a letter to OD do saying

[1:18:55] please maybe if you deem it necessary oh grade funds

[1:19:03] so but I think in my mind in spirit I I think that this is worth having the

[1:19:10] conversation and so I will make a motion to

[1:19:15] approve that motion well then I'll second it thank you

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[1:38:51] name is 706 real come back into session honorable mayor members of the council

[1:38:57] the council did meet an executive session as authorized by state law only

[1:39:00] those items listed on the agenda were discussed no votes were taken no polls

[1:39:04] cast however at this time I do believe a proper motion would be to approve the

[1:39:08] 2024 2025 contract with the fop Lodge 2011 second hang on kids I approve 22

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[1:39:29] okay motion we have first a second councel councelor hirers yes councelor

[1:39:35] Allen yes councelor Baker yes councelor Perry yes motion carried on Item B no

[1:39:41] action is required at this time on item C I believe appropriate motion would be

[1:39:46] to authorize the City attorney to engage the law firm of crow dunlevy to

[1:39:51] represent the city in case number cj2

[1:39:58] 24-6 councelor Allan yes councelor HS yes councelor Baker yes councelor Perry

[1:40:05] yes motion carried we are adjourned at 7

City of Tahlequah - City Council Meeting (1 APR 2024)

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