[0:01] four, three.

[0:02] Good.

[0:05] All right.

[0:08] Welcome to the thursday, MAY

[0:09] 21st walnut creek

[0:09] transportation commission

[0:12] meeting.

[0:13] >> will the secretary please

[0:15] take a roll call?

[0:20] Student commissioner kersh

[0:24] absent commissioner ash absent

[0:27] commissioner guerrero present

[0:28] commissioner mcmahon present

[0:31] vice chair patch present chair

[0:35] carolyn present.

[0:35] >> all right.

[0:39] Moving on to public

[0:39] communication.

[0:40] So this portion is for anyone

[0:42] in the public who wishes to

[0:43] address the transportation

[0:45] commission on matters within

[0:46] our jurisdiction that are not

[0:50] on the agenda.

[0:51] So if you'd like to address the

[0:51] transportation commission for

[0:54] an item not on the agenda, this

[0:54] is your opportunity.

[0:58] >> we have no members of the

[0:58] public wanting to provide

[0:59] comments.

[1:01] >> all righty.

[1:01] >> thank you.

[1:02] Then we will close this portion

[1:07] of public comment before moving

[1:08] on to the consent calendar.

[1:11] >> I believe all we have is

[1:13] approval of the minutes of

[1:14] MARCH 19th, 2026 our prior

[1:18] meeting so I'll just poll the

[1:18] commissioners if they have any

[1:23] edits, upgrades or changes as

[1:24] commissioner guerrero no

[1:28] changes.

[1:28] >> oh right.

[1:32] And forgive me I'm still got

[1:32] new commissioners here.

[1:35] >> commissioner mcmahon navin

[1:39] vice chair patch I'm good and

[1:42] to the chair has no comments so

[1:44] motion I motion to approve the

[1:47] minutes I second all right

[1:48] motion made seconded let's do a

[1:54] roll call vote please.

[1:58] Commissioner guerrero I

[1:59] commissioner mcmahon I ice

[2:02] chair patch yes chair crawling

[2:06] I all right consent items are

[2:10] closed moving on to item for

[2:13] consideration item so item a

[2:14] electric vehicle charger

[2:17] program analysis and

[2:20] recommendations the staff have

[2:24] a presentation for us.

[2:24] Good evening commissioners.

[2:35] Good evening.

[2:36] >> all right, so I'm candice

[2:36] regan mumby.

[2:39] I'm the city sustainability

[2:40] manager and I've been working

[2:41] on this project with gina achor

[2:43] who's one of our public works

[2:44] managers.

[2:44] She'll be here to help answer

[2:47] questions and so we're going to

[2:47] give an update on some analysis

[2:50] that we have been doing about

[2:51] the city's ev public ev

[2:54] charging program.

[2:55] >> so tonight we'll cover a bit

[2:58] of background on the chargers

[2:59] that we have and how they

[2:59] relate to the city's

[3:02] sustainability goals.

[3:03] Then we'll give more detail on

[3:05] the current state of the

[3:06] chargers and some of the

[3:07] performance gaps that we'd like

[3:10] to address and some of the

[3:11] opportunities that we came

[3:13] across in the analysis and then

[3:14] we'll talk briefly about the

[3:17] next steps.

[3:18] >> so to get started with the

[3:21] sustainability goals.

[3:25] >> so the city adopted a

[3:29] sustainability action plan in

[3:30] 2023 which is how we're really

[3:33] organizing all the city's

[3:34] efforts across different topics

[3:37] to reach state sustainability

[3:37] goals and also to reach the

[3:38] council's priority of

[3:40] environmental sustainability

[3:41] and climate action.

[3:45] And for walnut creek, our

[3:45] largest area when we look at

[3:46] our greenhouse gas inventories

[3:48] we try to measure community

[3:49] wide where our emissions coming

[3:50] from.

[3:50] The largest category is

[3:53] transportation and that's you

[3:54] really do as you all are very

[3:55] familiar with to our suburban

[3:58] development you know we're very

[3:59] dependent on passenger vehicles

[4:01] for folks to get around.

[4:02] And right now most of those are

[4:04] gas powered internal combustion

[4:05] engine vehicles.

[4:05] So really from the levers that

[4:08] the city has control over

[4:09] encouraging folks to transition

[4:13] ideally to drive less and then

[4:14] if you are going to drive to

[4:16] drive evs as one of the biggest

[4:17] ways that we can hopefully

[4:18] bring down greenhouse gas

[4:21] emissions from the community

[4:21] and our impact on the climate.

[4:24] >> so because of that we have

[4:25] some goals in he plan that

[4:27] really relate to ev hargers

[4:28] and other ev adoption.

[4:31] >> and one of the goals is to

[4:32] have the city have on our

[4:35] property 70 charging port ports

[4:38] by 2030 and we'll get into a

[4:39] bit more detail on what we have

[4:42] now but we are on track with

[4:42] our fleet chargers.

[4:45] We have I think it's 52 right

[4:46] now so we're we do think we're

[4:50] well on track to meet that goal

[4:50] .

[4:51] So before the plan was adopted

[4:55] we already had public ev

[4:55] chargers.

[4:57] The first ones went in about

[4:58] ten years ago and so they that

[5:01] program itself has its own set

[5:02] of goals to make sure that it's

[5:02] being successful.

[5:05] So these are the four areas

[5:05] that we look at.

[5:08] First, we want to make sure

[5:09] that the infrastructure

[5:11] sustainable and we think f

[5:11] that in two different ways.

[5:12] One, we provide this asset of

[5:15] parking to the community and so

[5:16] we want to for folks to be

[5:18] drivers, we want them to have

[5:19] access to chargers but we want

[5:19] to make sure those chargers are

[5:23] assets that are lasting that

[5:23] are in good quality and that

[5:24] are something that can be well

[5:25] maintained and managed.

[5:26] And then once we put that

[5:30] infrastructure in anything we

[5:30] have access to for the

[5:31] community we want it to be

[5:34] highly utilized so make sure

[5:34] that folks are charging at them

[5:37] well we also want to make ure

[5:38] that you know, we're filling a

[5:39] gap in the market and so the

[5:42] folks we want to the folks most

[5:43] to wouldn't be able to charge

[5:45] somewhere else or would have

[5:46] challenges charging elsewhere

[5:46] and this is something that

[5:49] might drive them towards

[5:49] switching to an ev by having

[5:50] this access.

[5:53] >> and then as with anything we

[5:53] do we want to make sure folks

[5:54] have a superior customer

[5:56] experience when they are

[6:00] utilizing our programs.

[6:01] >> so getting into the detail

[6:03] of the chargers that we own.

[6:04] So the next slide after this is

[6:07] a map with kind of laying out

[6:08] where they are.

[6:08] But right now we have 40

[6:11] chargers that are available to

[6:11] the public.

[6:12] So 40 ports across 23 chargers.

[6:15] So some of the chargers

[6:16] structures they have two ports

[6:20] on them and they're located in

[6:20] our downtown garages.

[6:21] And then we have a couple

[6:23] outside in the small lot at

[6:24] city hall and then some more at

[6:26] shields civic art center.

[6:27] And then if you're looking at

[6:31] our chargers within the broader

[6:31] context of you know as a

[6:32] drivers driving around and

[6:34] walnut creek looking to charge

[6:37] where they go this is an area

[6:38] where we're planning to do more

[6:39] detailed analysis on.

[6:42] Right now we only ave data

[6:42] from some other public

[6:43] aggregators.

[6:46] And it's a quickly changing

[6:46] market.

[6:47] So our estimate there is that

[6:50] there's somewhere from 150 to

[6:50] 250 chargers in the radius of

[6:53] walnut creek and our very close

[6:54] neighbors.

[6:56] So our our public charging

[6:57] ports of 40 that is a chunk of

[6:58] that but there are a lot of

[7:02] other options out there now.

[7:04] >> so these are the maps I was

[7:04] -

[7:06] mentioning.

[7:07] So the one on the left shows

[7:11] the green dots are from the us

[7:11] department of energy data on

[7:14] where publicly available

[7:14] chargers are and then the

[7:18] orange ones are our chargers.

[7:19] And I'll just point out if I

[7:22] know how to use y clicker.

[7:23] So you'll see this orange dot

[7:24] here is on the one on the left.

[7:26] And it's not on the one on the

[7:27] right and that's because these

[7:29] are our fleet only chargers at

[7:30] the courtyard.

[7:31] So those are our chargers that

[7:31] we own but they're not

[7:34] available to the public or the

[7:35] one on the right just kind of

[7:36] highlights what we just talked

[7:37] about in the past slide.

[7:38] Most of the publicly owned

[7:40] chargers that are available to

[7:41] the public are in downtown and

[7:42] then we also have a few

[7:44] overarching plans.

[7:48] So taking a step back from

[7:49] that, you know what what do you

[7:49] need to make sure that you have

[7:53] a modern successful ev charging

[7:53] program?

[7:54] And what's shown on this slide

[7:57] here is how a lot of public

[7:57] agencies and municipalities

[8:00] have thought about it for a

[8:01] while.

[8:01] You just need a charger and

[8:02] then the cars will come.

[8:04] And that's how a lot of the

[8:05] grant funding is right?

[8:06] They'll have you pay to put the

[8:08] actual thing in the ground and

[8:09] then kind of the high level you

[8:10] think of it you're good to go

[8:11] then.

[8:12] But actually there's a lot of

[8:15] other elements that you need to

[8:16] make sure that it's successful.

[8:17] So kind of you don't have to

[8:20] absorb all of all of what's on

[8:21] the slide here.

[8:22] I think the three things I want

[8:24] to point out is you need two

[8:24] different types of staff.

[8:27] You need staff who can provide

[8:28] maintenance on the charger so

[8:29] actually switch out components

[8:31] whether that's them degrading

[8:32] over time vandalism for lots of

[8:35] different reasons.

[8:36] the chargers need they need

[8:36] work.

[8:38] And then you also need olks on

[8:39] the customer support side so

[8:40] that when a customer is using

[8:43] the charger they can reach

[8:43] someone if they're having an

[8:46] issue and then you need some

[8:47] data tracking to make sure that

[8:49] the chargers are being

[8:50] communicated with and that also

[8:51] we can kind of see how they're

[8:53] being used and operated.

[8:57] >> so ight now our model we

[8:57] definitely have this part down

[9:01] but we've been sort of using a

[9:02] few different structures to try

[9:07] and fit in the other pieces and

[9:08] so the way that that's looking

[9:11] for us is that there's nobody

[9:12] in the city who it's their

[9:14] their ain responsibility to

[9:15] manage the chargers.

[9:16] It's sort of something that

[9:16] different teams are doing on

[9:19] top of work that they already

[9:19] have.

[9:20] And so from their labor from

[9:23] materials and mainly from the

[9:24] electricity going into them

[9:27] we're spending approximately

[9:27] $250,000 a year to provide this

[9:31] asset to the public.

[9:33] As I said before we started

[9:34] this about ten years ago, some

[9:35] of the chargers are original

[9:37] and so we're starting to see

[9:38] the aging in that

[9:38] infrastructure.

[9:40] But we've also seen a lot of

[9:41] them go out for various

[9:42] reasons.

[9:42] So we're trying to keep on top

[9:45] of the equipment that we have

[9:48] and then because we're managing

[9:49] it all internally we have

[9:52] different systems.

[9:53] We don't have the most modern

[9:56] data tracking on you know,

[9:57] who's using the chargers for

[9:57] how long.

[10:00] A lot of that is there are more

[10:01] modern ways to be able to track

[10:02] that and then that could help

[10:04] us looking at how to expand

[10:07] that potentially in the future

[10:07] .

[10:08] And then we are seeing at at

[10:10] some of our sites folks are

[10:11] coming there specifically to

[10:15] use the chargers maybe not to

[10:15] access the city facility that's

[10:18] there as well.

[10:19] And so sometimes they have a

[10:21] more charger focused mindset

[10:22] and that can provide some

[10:23] conflicts with the actual use

[10:26] at the site.

[10:27] And so for example, our

[10:30] challenge site is a preschool.

[10:31] There's lots of pick up and

[10:32] drop off and people milling

[10:34] around and lots of kids and

[10:35] some folks are coming in and

[10:35] out of the parking lot just for

[10:37] the chargers and so that has

[10:38] led to some conflicts just in

[10:39] the different priorities of

[10:44] users at that site.

[10:48] So the chargers went in around

[10:51] 2016 2017 to start in the 2018

[10:54] rethinking mobility plan.

[10:55] It's kind of understood that

[10:55] there would there could be

[10:58] reasons to start charging a fee

[10:59] for the chargers.

[11:02] Currently we do not charge for

[11:03] them but coming out of that

[11:03] plan a fee range was

[11:07] established so that we could

[11:08] elect to charge charge money

[11:10] for the use of the chargers

[11:11] charge to charges kind of how

[11:14] we refer to it internally.

[11:15] So as they said right now we're

[11:17] not utilizing that fee but it

[11:18] has been sort of updated

[11:19] through different fee

[11:21] structures since 2018 and

[11:24] currently the adopted fee range

[11:25] is between $0.16 to $1 per

[11:29] kilowatt hour which is how you

[11:30] measure you know, ev charging

[11:32] versus a per gallon.

[11:33] And we've been doing some

[11:36] research and looking at what

[11:37] other publicly city owned

[11:40] chargers in contra costa county

[11:40] what folks are charging for

[11:44] those and from our research so

[11:45] far most of them are charging a

[11:47] fee and it averages about $0.36

[11:50] a kilowatt hour.

[11:55] So this next slide it goes back

[11:56] to those goals that I talked

[11:59] about previously of what are

[12:00] the goals that we have around

[12:01] this ev charger program and

[12:02] having public access.

[12:03] And this slide here kind of as

[12:06] a color gradient to show how

[12:07] well we're doing right now at

[12:08] meeting each of those goals.

[12:11] So the chargers are highly

[12:11] utilized if you drive by them

[12:14] most of the time you'll see

[12:15] there's there's usually people

[12:15] in most of them.

[12:17] So for that one we are doing

[12:18] well right now.

[12:20] >> the community access is more

[12:21] of an orange medium success

[12:24] because our understanding is

[12:28] that there's they're kind of

[12:29] like the best kept secret in a

[12:29] way.

[12:30] So there's a small group of

[12:32] people who know these chargers

[12:33] exist and know that they're

[12:33] free and are highly utilizing

[12:36] them but it's not generally

[12:39] known amongst the community.

[12:40] And because they're so highly

[12:41] utilized right now we don't

[12:44] necessarily promote them very

[12:44] much because there's not always

[12:47] availability at them right.

[12:48] And so we're really trying to

[12:51] target folks as I said earlier

[12:52] who might not buy an ev

[12:52] otherwise.

[12:55] So with them right now with

[12:56] them being free for everyone,

[12:56] it's cheaper generally than

[12:59] charging at home.

[13:00] So we do see that there's those

[13:02] folks who know about them are

[13:03] using them a lot.

[13:06] So that's that's kind of a

[13:07] there's a few different ways to

[13:07] look at that.

[13:09] Terms of the sustainable

[13:10] ifrastructure right now

[13:14] because we don't have the

[13:14] dedicated internal staff and

[13:18] the management company of the

[13:19] chargers changes on how you can

[13:21] replace different parts over

[13:22] time.

[13:23] It takes a lot of communication

[13:23] back and forth between our

[13:25] staff and the charger companies

[13:26] .

[13:26] And so it's been challenging to

[13:27] keep them up and running and

[13:30] replace them quickly.

[13:31] It's a lot these hard to

[13:32] orchestrate is the quality

[13:33] customer experience.

[13:34] So even though we have these

[13:35] high utilizers we do hear from

[13:35] them a lot when chargers are

[13:38] down they'll be own for a long

[13:38] time.

[13:39] And then as I mentioned earlier

[13:41] a can right now cause some

[13:42] challenges with other facility

[13:44] users as well.

[13:45] So we think that there are ways

[13:48] to improve this.

[13:52] >> so our recommendation is to

[13:53] improve the program.

[13:57] There are third party operators

[13:57] that we could contract with who

[14:01] would be able to provide 24

[14:04] seven customer support which is

[14:07] not a model that we're able to

[14:08] provide right now and then also

[14:09] provide proactive maintenance

[14:11] on the chargers and they have

[14:12] more modern tracking systems.

[14:15] There's lot of different

[14:16] flexibility in how we set up a

[14:19] contract with someone like

[14:19] that.

[14:20] And you in the contracts can

[14:23] set minimum required uptime is

[14:24] how it's referred to making

[14:26] sure the chargers are working

[14:27] you know 95 plus percent of the

[14:27] time.

[14:28] Things like that because that

[14:30] turnaround minimums for

[14:31] response time and all of that

[14:33] so it can be very closely

[14:34] managed but it's also in a way

[14:37] that's done by a third party.

[14:38] So it doesn't have to take up

[14:39] as much of our staff time and

[14:41] it's also folks who are more

[14:41] expert in this.

[14:42] This is what they do all day,

[14:44] every day.

[14:45] Generally how those work is

[14:48] that the fee that you are

[14:49] charging for the use of the

[14:49] charger they take a cut of it

[14:52] and the cut depends on how much

[14:53] you're having them do.

[14:55] So there's quite a bit of

[14:56] variability there and we're

[14:57] still sort of researching the

[15:00] exact model of what's out there

[15:00] in the market and what might

[15:03] work well for us.

[15:04] >> but in order to do that you

[15:07] have to be charging a fee for

[15:08] them to ake a cut of.

[15:09] So in order to make that work

[15:11] we would uggest beginning to

[15:11] charge a fee for the public

[15:14] facing chargers.

[15:15] And our goal that we'd

[15:19] recommend is to still et the

[15:23] rates lower to start lower than

[15:24] our comparable neighbor cities.

[15:26] >> but the goal that we still

[15:27] want them to be accessible we

[15:29] want it to be something that

[15:30] would be much cheaper than

[15:33] fueling a gas powered car but

[15:34] give us enough funding to keep

[15:38] the system sustainable.

[15:39] And maybe for folks who could

[15:42] be charging at home, maybe they

[15:42] have slightly less incentive to

[15:43] be using the city chargers.

[15:45] And then that would free up

[15:46] space for those folks who don't

[15:47] have that option to charge at

[15:49] home because this would be new

[15:53] and would be still kind of

[15:53] figuring out all the logistics.

[15:54] We'd make sure to regularly

[15:56] review those rates and ensure

[15:57] that it's creating the behavior

[15:59] that we are.

[16:03] >> that's our goal.

[16:04] >> so this is our last slide

[16:07] before we take feedback and

[16:07] questions.

[16:08] So we're coming to you tonight

[16:11] to get your feedback on this

[16:12] analysis and your thoughts

[16:14] about this plan.

[16:15] And then in JULY we're going to

[16:16] take this to city council as

[16:19] part of a larger plan that

[16:19] we're developing that also

[16:22] looks at goals around our

[16:22] internal fleet.

[16:26] And if we get approval of the

[16:27] plan from council then we would

[16:29] spend late summer early fall

[16:30] doing that vendor analysis and

[16:31] really getting a much better

[16:33] understanding of what exactly

[16:36] the economics of that would be

[16:37] .

[16:38] Okay, if we move forward with

[16:41] that direction then we would do

[16:42] targeted outreach to the users

[16:45] of the chargers before likely

[16:48] around early 2027 would be when

[16:50] we might see a fee be

[16:51] implemented.

[16:55] >> so that's the overview that

[16:56] for you tonight and I'm happy

[16:56] to take any questions and

[16:58] receive your feedback.

[16:59] >> thank you.

[16:59] All right.

[17:02] So we'll do commissioner q&a.

[17:07] So how about we tart with

[17:07] commissioner rick mann?

[17:09] All right.

[17:10] Thank you so much for the

[17:11] presentation.

[17:12] That was really good and really

[17:16] clear and it's awesome.

[17:16] Yeah.

[17:19] So I think the one thing that I

[17:20] was kind of thinking when

[17:22] you're talking about the data

[17:23] for these chargers and like the

[17:24] locations I don't know if we

[17:25] can go back to that map real

[17:30] quick but I think if possible

[17:31] can we get as much data as

[17:32] possible before we make like

[17:34] too many decisions?

[17:35] I'm like where he private

[17:37] chargers are where the public

[17:38] chargers are like who's using

[17:39] what?

[17:42] Like how often are they being

[17:42] used so then we can actually

[17:45] like you know, put more in in

[17:46] the places they need to go

[17:46] instead of, you know, putting

[17:49] extras in if they're not being

[17:50] used and stuff like that.

[17:53] So yeah, with the data just

[17:56] collecting that data is that

[17:57] like doable with you know

[18:00] before this all gets completed

[18:01] or you know, do you have to

[18:03] start making money first to be

[18:04] able to collect that data

[18:06] because I know that takes time

[18:07] and that's a whole process oo.

[18:08] >> yeah.

[18:11] Yes, that's a great question.

[18:12] So I think the way we're

[18:12] thinking of a partner right now

[18:15] is ort of stabilizing the

[18:15] charger network that e have

[18:18] now and proving that customer

[18:21] experience and the maintenance

[18:22] of it first which we think that

[18:25] this you know, getting a third

[18:25] party in will help with that.

[18:26] It will also get us better data

[18:28] on what those users at those

[18:29] facilities are like.

[18:31] But I hink before we expand

[18:32] the public chargers we want to

[18:35] do exactly that get much better

[18:36] data on which are already

[18:38] publicly available.

[18:39] >> also see if we can

[18:40] understand what might be coming

[18:43] down in the market, what are

[18:43] the trends, what are some of

[18:46] the private facilities that you

[18:47] know might put their own

[18:48] chargers and and so we can look

[18:49] at exactly that where are we

[18:50] really filling gaps?

[18:51] Another layer I'll mention that

[18:54] I want to look at in analysis

[18:55] is the housing stock that we

[18:57] have you know, where do we have

[18:58] older multifamily where it's

[18:59] going to be the most

[19:01] challenging for folks to charge

[19:02] at home and do we have, you

[19:04] know, city owned property

[19:05] around that r nearby that we

[19:06] could utilize?

[19:09] So before we expand any more of

[19:10] that, that is the direction we

[19:10] like to go in.

[19:14] >> and then just for the

[19:14] private garages, do they

[19:17] currently charge like the main

[19:18] ones in downtown or are the

[19:21] private chargers and in walnut

[19:22] creek in general?

[19:22] >> yes.

[19:24] They don't have their rates on

[19:25] hand but that is our

[19:29] understanding is that they do

[19:30] grow so we could match theirs

[19:31] or get kind of closer be like

[19:38] under there's basically a it's

[19:42] and then yeah.

[19:43] Is there any other cities that

[19:46] are kind of you know doing this

[19:47] on like a similar size to us

[19:48] that are doing a really good

[19:51] job of this like you through a

[19:52] private partnership or they're

[19:53] doing it themselves that we can

[19:54] kind of you know copy what

[19:57] they're doing a little bit.

[19:59] >> I this is something that I

[20:02] think cities in general are

[20:05] struggling with and it's I

[20:06] think it's the maintenance nd

[20:06] of that.

[20:09] I think we are there are the

[20:10] vast majority of cities are

[20:13] charging something at this

[20:13] point which is then allowing

[20:14] them to fund and t's there are

[20:17] different models of is it

[20:18] internal staff, is it external

[20:20] which charger company do they

[20:20] work with?

[20:21] I'm on a lot of email threads

[20:24] of like what is the most

[20:24] reliable ev charging pad.

[20:25] So I think we are all kind of

[20:27] figuring it out together but

[20:28] that is something that we think

[20:32] about as our drivers especially

[20:33] are driving to our neighboring

[20:33] cities and they don't really

[20:36] care if they're in walnut creek

[20:36] or pleasant hill or concord.

[20:37] >> they want a similar charging

[20:38] experience.

[20:40] So that is something that we

[20:43] try to coordinate with cool.

[20:44] >> cool.

[20:44] Well thank you so much

[20:47] commissioner guerrero.

[20:47] >> thank you.

[20:50] Good presentation.

[20:51] Just a couple of questions.

[20:52] Of the $250,000 that we spend

[20:55] annually, how much of that is

[20:55] to pay electricity?

[20:59] >> so I believe I have it

[20:59] written down.

[21:02] I think t's 155,000.

[21:02] >> yes.

[21:02] Okay.

[21:03] And that comes out of the city

[21:06] budget to to pay that.

[21:07] >> yeah.

[21:07] So right now it's just all

[21:10] general funding that 200

[21:10] 50,000.

[21:13] >> and do any of these charges

[21:14] ation support solar power in

[21:15] order to offset that or is that

[21:18] something in consideration?

[21:20] >> the only one that's out of

[21:21] facility with solar is city

[21:25] hall which we currently are not

[21:28] monitoring.

[21:29] That's that's a whole nother

[21:32] challenge that the solar panels

[21:33] on city hall are.

[21:33] They are operational but we

[21:34] also need better data tracking

[21:36] on those.

[21:37] But es, ideally I would say

[21:40] that that is setting it off

[21:41] offsetting it a bit.

[21:41] I'm not sure if we've thought

[21:44] about putting solar and in

[21:45] other facilities but I'm glad

[21:47] you said that.

[21:50] 17 yes.

[21:54] So ideally the chargers would

[21:55] be on their own meter which

[21:56] could still interact with the

[21:59] solar on the building but you

[22:02] can get an ev charger

[22:03] electricity rate from mce or

[22:06] energy provider that's more

[22:07] favorable to the type of

[22:07] charging for that.

[22:11] Some of ours are networked on

[22:11] their own meter and some f

[22:14] them are not so that would be a

[22:15] goal over time to is to get

[22:18] them on their own meter but

[22:18] probably wouldn't happen

[22:22] necessarily for all of them

[22:22] before.

[22:23] >> okay.

[22:23] Would like to implement this.

[22:25] So I assume a lot of this

[22:26] information was developed by

[22:29] from from black and veatch.

[22:30] >> yes.

[22:30] yes.

[22:32] So we worked with them that was

[22:33] our consultant on this plan.

[22:34] >> and do they have more data

[22:37] as to what ryan was saying as

[22:38] far as other cities have been

[22:40] successful as far as you know

[22:41] how to go about implementing

[22:41] it?

[22:43] And I guess to follow that, you

[22:47] know, is solar powered you know

[22:48] charging stations that that

[22:51] support the infrastructure, is

[22:52] that something they recommend?

[22:53] >> I'm just kind of curious of

[22:55] that piece that wasn't

[22:56] something that came up in the

[22:56] analysis or something hat

[22:59] we've seen directly from other

[23:00] cities.

[23:03] I think even if the electricity

[23:03] that the chargers were using

[23:07] was fully offset by the solar

[23:07] power or some other

[23:08] alternative, you would still

[23:11] have the maintenance costs and

[23:11] the networking cost.

[23:12] So there are still costs but

[23:13] obviously electricity is it's

[23:16] more than half of the rate

[23:16] we're paying now.

[23:19] But you would we would still

[23:19] see hose maintenance

[23:20] challenges nd those sorts of

[23:21] things where a third party

[23:23] could help address that.

[23:23] >> got it.

[23:24] And then what's what's the

[23:27] difference between the the lots

[23:32] that like tesla runs where you

[23:32] see all the tesla chargers like

[23:36] the jam or you know across from

[23:36] other farms and he's put those

[23:38] in now.

[23:39] Like are we benefiting?

[23:42] Are we profiting at all from

[23:46] from any of those private ones

[23:46] .

[23:47] >> so none of those are on city

[23:47] property.

[23:48] so they're they're all managed

[23:50] privately.

[23:55] >> we did look at models to you

[23:55] know, potentially lease city

[23:56] spaces which is something that

[23:58] some other cities do and then

[23:59] the the third party can do 100%

[24:02] of that but that would e I

[24:03] think we were looking at how do

[24:06] we solve the problem now in the

[24:07] short term with the charters

[24:09] that we have and from our

[24:10] analysis, you know

[24:12] transitioning that to the third

[24:12] party is what makes sense

[24:16] because someone who would come

[24:16] in at least a spot they don't

[24:19] want to buy our old

[24:19] infrastructure or work with our

[24:20] aging chargers.

[24:23] So when we go back to looking

[24:24] at expanding, that's something

[24:27] that we'll keep on the table to

[24:27] consider.

[24:28] But I think in the short term

[24:30] that's not something that is

[24:31] likely to solve the issues that

[24:32] we're having.

[24:32] >> okay.

[24:35] I just have one last thing.

[24:36] Could you show me the or you

[24:38] talked about the different the

[24:42] customer and the network and

[24:43] the little map that show like

[24:43] who deals?

[24:43] >> yeah.

[24:46] So right now how is how is that

[24:47] manage these pieces right here?

[24:51] Like who actually does that for

[24:52] for us?

[24:53] >> yes I'll bring you up for

[24:53] that one.

[24:54] >> so I just want to understand

[24:57] a little bit can just as much

[25:01] color.

[25:01] Good evening.

[25:02] Gina eicher public works

[25:02] manager.

[25:04] So currently right now we ave

[25:05] some of our signal technicians

[25:09] who are not ev experts but they

[25:12] are able to go out there and

[25:13] make repairs to our ev

[25:16] infrastructure for the phone

[25:17] calls, go to our traffic

[25:20] operation center which really

[25:21] only monitors their in the

[25:21] field most of the day.

[25:25] So they don't even get the

[25:25] calls until the end of the day.

[25:26] Then they're able to kind of go

[25:29] through their you know, their

[25:29] voicemail is the following day

[25:30] they MAY be able to go out and

[25:33] take a look at it 90% of the

[25:33] time.

[25:36] Right now we do not have the

[25:36] infrastructure in place that

[25:40] allows us to make repairs.

[25:43] So the way that the chargers

[25:44] were originally set up is that

[25:47] they used to be modular.

[25:48] That's not really the case so

[25:49] much anymore with the current

[25:49] vendors.

[25:52] One of the current vendors that

[25:52] we have we have to replace an

[25:55] entire system every time that

[25:55] we have a charger go down.

[25:59] So and a lot of that has to do

[26:00] with just the way that we had

[26:02] it the existing contract is so

[26:03] there's quite a bit that we can

[26:06] do to improve that experience

[26:07] and to allow for people to have

[26:10] easier access to the charging

[26:10] systems.

[26:11] >> good.

[26:14] So this is outside or third

[26:15] party would definitely relieve

[26:16] a lot of the stress of this.

[26:18] >> yeah we have to make do

[26:19] contract every single time

[26:19] something happens.

[26:22] So we end up going through and

[26:22] whether they get damaged or

[26:25] it's something that just

[26:26] because of the time in them we

[26:27] end up having to do individual

[26:30] contracts to get these repaired

[26:31] and so that takes time and it's

[26:31] own too.

[26:33] >> sure.

[26:34] >> okay.

[26:34] Thank you.

[26:35] That's all I have.

[26:35] Thank you.

[26:39] Vice chair patch.

[26:43] >> the nice thing about going

[26:44] after other people have is that

[26:45] a lot of my questions were

[26:49] already answered.

[26:50] >> so a couple that I do that

[26:53] we haven't talked about do we

[26:57] have a plan in place to replace

[26:57] the old ones already?

[27:00] I know you said you're not

[27:01] looking at expanding the

[27:01] locations right now but if

[27:04] they're already failing are we

[27:08] looking at replacing the ten

[27:11] plus old ten year plus old ones

[27:12] ?

[27:12] >> yeah.

[27:13] So we are sort of was just

[27:15] talking about you know when we

[27:16] get to the oint of need to

[27:19] repair them especially now that

[27:20] the modular model is kind of

[27:20] going away with some of the

[27:22] brands we are looking at when

[27:23] it makes sense to take them out

[27:26] entirely and replace with a

[27:26] company that maybe we've had a

[27:27] better experience with and we

[27:31] have replaced some I believe

[27:32] the ones at the library got the

[27:34] if you see the blink model

[27:35] chargers those are the newer

[27:35] ones that we've worked with.

[27:39] So this thing we're doing over

[27:39] time and that's coming out of

[27:42] the general fund still right

[27:42] now.

[27:42] All right.

[27:45] And kind of similar to the

[27:46] tesla question but not

[27:46] specifically tesla.

[27:50] >> have you thought of any

[27:50] corporate sponsorships that

[27:53] like they are sponsoring

[27:57] specific charging ports and

[27:58] they might be in charge of the

[28:01] maintenance?

[28:02] I'm my understanding where the

[28:05] market is now on that is that

[28:06] those in the esla this is true

[28:07] for those are generally the dc

[28:09] fast chargers which we didn't

[28:10] really talk about charging

[28:13] levels in the presentation but

[28:14] just for full background you

[28:14] know there's like a level one

[28:16] which is plugging in at home

[28:17] into a regular plug there's

[28:18] level two which is what we

[28:18] have.

[28:21] It's sort of an in-between

[28:23] energy level and then there's

[28:24] level three or dc fast and so

[28:25] those are we didn't really cost

[28:28] more per kilowatt hour because

[28:29] they're they're you know,

[28:31] expending energy much more

[28:32] quickly.

[28:33] And so my understanding for the

[28:35] market is right ow there's a

[28:36] lot of though that sort of

[28:39] model is that dc fast charger

[28:40] kind of more charging hub folks

[28:42] coming in and out within like

[28:42] 45 minute increments.

[28:46] And so the folks aren't that

[28:47] companies that are doing that

[28:49] are not looking at the level

[28:50] two that's the service model we

[28:51] have right now.

[28:52] So I think that would kind of

[28:54] be opening a whole a whole

[28:57] nother possibility that would

[28:58] need to be part of that next

[28:58] level of analysis for where

[29:01] might that kind of model make

[29:02] sense for us?

[29:02] >> sure.

[29:04] Okay.

[29:05] And then if we do start

[29:08] charging people for using the

[29:09] chargers and how much of the

[29:12] contract and electricity are

[29:13] you hoping to offset with the

[29:17] charging like are you trying to

[29:20] get to 100% or is it half of it

[29:23] that we're I think we're trying

[29:24] to get to a better place than

[29:30] we're at now because of the

[29:30] lack of sophistication our data

[29:31] tracking right now we we don't

[29:34] really have that understanding.

[29:38] And I think we also we'll have

[29:38] to see ow it affects our

[29:39] customer demand, how much

[29:41] utilization we're having.

[29:46] So we honestly aren't sure what

[29:46] how that's going to level out

[29:47] in the end it will definitely

[29:50] we're not be profiting off of

[29:50] it that's for sure.

[29:50] Right.

[29:51] I think it's still going to be

[29:53] probably subsidized even to

[29:54] some degree but much less than

[29:57] it is now and that's what

[29:57] overtime is.

[29:58] We're going to track the ate

[30:01] especially early on to make

[30:02] sure we're kind of hitting that

[30:02] right mark?

[30:06] So that's a long way o say I'm

[30:06] not sure.

[30:07] >> fair enough.

[30:09] Okay.

[30:16] And then my my last question is

[30:17] ,you know, I don't know how to

[30:18] phrase this actually so I'm

[30:21] going to I'm just going to skip

[30:21] it for now.

[30:24] >> we'll come back to you.

[30:24] >> all right.

[30:25] Thank you.

[30:31] Great presentation,

[30:31] commissioner guerrero.

[30:34] Got my top question.

[30:36] How much of the money was going

[30:38] to electricity?

[30:39] So I'll I'll ask the flip side

[30:41] question.

[30:44] >> so the other approximate

[30:45] $100,000 what would be the

[30:49] biggest buckets on an annual

[30:49] that we're spending on that's

[30:53] not electricity with our

[30:53] current model?

[30:54] >> yeah.

[30:54] The next biggest bucket is the

[30:58] contracts hat I was mentioning

[30:59] with aintenance staff that's

[31:00] about another 60,000.

[31:01] And then the rest is sort of

[31:04] spread across our internal

[31:04] staff time that if we are

[31:07] purchasing the equipment

[31:08] ourselves that's needed to

[31:08] replace it.

[31:12] And then the the limited

[31:13] networking that we do have the

[31:14] fees for that.

[31:15] >> okay, great.

[31:19] So speaking of the data and

[31:23] networking, if you can share

[31:26] briefly what what kind of data

[31:30] elements do we get today?

[31:31] >> what are the ones we don't

[31:32] get that we really want that

[31:34] makes having one of these

[31:40] providers really beneficial?

[31:41] >> right now we do not have a

[31:44] system in place to regularly

[31:45] monitor data so it's sort of

[31:47] like a project to get the data

[31:48] updated and dig in to that.

[31:52] So what we would be able to get

[31:54] with this is more our

[31:55] understanding and we'll find

[31:56] out the details of this when we

[31:58] do the rfp and really

[31:59] understand what the vendors are

[31:59] offering.

[32:02] But our understanding for the

[32:02] research e have now is it's

[32:03] more like a ashboard model

[32:06] where you could regularly check

[32:07] in with days of what times of

[32:09] day are they being with you,

[32:11] how long are folks staying at

[32:13] them?

[32:14] There's also likely the ability

[32:17] to get understanding of repeat

[32:18] customers versus different

[32:18] customers.

[32:22] So all of that would really

[32:22] give us better insight to who

[32:25] is using it and how they're

[32:26] using it and how's that

[32:27] behavior maybe different than

[32:28] some of our other parking

[32:30] customers in those facilities

[32:30] as well?

[32:33] So with the existing free model

[32:37] or if we got one of these

[32:40] companies in place but we were

[32:41] still going with free, how

[32:45] would we identify I like the

[32:46] repeat customers who's using it

[32:48] like what what data if anything

[32:49] do we capture from the people

[32:53] driving up I'm plugging in

[32:54] today.

[32:54] >> yeah.

[32:56] Do you want that part?

[32:56] Yeah, maybe.

[33:00] So the data if we were to try

[33:01] to go we would have to get

[33:03] another ontract in place that

[33:04] would allow for us to better

[33:06] monitor that.

[33:07] It really depends if that's a

[33:11] good answer right now because

[33:11] we really don't know what our

[33:12] options are.

[33:15] So we really looking to kind of

[33:16] when e do when we go out to

[33:18] try to get a third party vendor

[33:19] we're really going to do more

[33:20] of like a request for

[33:22] qualifications and have them

[33:23] tell us hat it is that e're

[33:26] missing out on because we don't

[33:27] right now we don't know what we

[33:27] don't know.

[33:27] >> right.

[33:30] Because I think if we go to a

[33:31] fee model we're going to get

[33:34] credit card numbers and we'll

[33:37] know we'll know who's using

[33:37] system.

[33:37] >> right.

[33:38] So it wouldn't necessarily be

[33:39] with credit card numbers.

[33:41] i think that they actually

[33:42] users have to have like a sign

[33:45] on it like oh like an app like

[33:45] an app that they utilize so

[33:46] they don't do with credit cards

[33:49] because we don't there's a

[33:52] whole compliance thing with pci

[33:52] .

[33:53] Yeah, exactly with it.

[33:53] Thank you.

[33:56] So there is an entire pci that

[33:57] we model that they have to

[33:57] follow and that's all part of

[33:58] the process that we would have

[34:00] to go through.

[34:00] We would be getting way more in

[34:04] the details if I started to

[34:04] explain the fact that sometimes

[34:08] the vendor is not even involved

[34:08] in that.

[34:09] So it is just a totally

[34:12] different option but we don't

[34:13] know what we don't know right

[34:13] now and so we're really looking

[34:16] to see what kind of models are

[34:17] possibly out there and that

[34:19] would allow us by going out you

[34:20] know, to search out at third

[34:23] party vendor we would be able

[34:24] to see what the options are and

[34:27] maybe they could provide us

[34:27] information even with what we

[34:28] currently have.

[34:30] But we won't know that until we

[34:31] go out.

[34:34] So here's a question and this

[34:35] is a question I think that

[34:38] would be is a pass through

[34:38] question.

[34:39] >> and I think when ou're

[34:41] asking vendors would any one of

[34:42] these vendors have the ability

[34:45] to wait for it have a discount

[34:49] free pricing kind of like a

[34:50] validation model.

[34:51] So if someone comes just to

[34:53] charge they would spend a

[34:57] little more er kilowatt hour

[34:58] but if they came to charge but

[35:01] added at original joe's or one

[35:04] of our other restaurants maybe

[35:05] they get it for a half price or

[35:06] free.

[35:06] It'd be an interesting to ask

[35:08] the vendors if anybody could do

[35:09] that now.

[35:09] >> excellent question.

[35:13] Well will pass that question

[35:13] along because we're going to

[35:14] give people free electricity.

[35:16] >> it might be nice to get them

[35:17] to spend money downtown, right?

[35:19] Yes or in the other locations.

[35:23] >> correct.

[35:24] >> I think you've already

[35:26] answered this question.

[35:27] I was going to ask if our

[35:28] chargers today are all the same

[35:31] vendor and model they are not.

[35:32] >> we actually have two vendors

[35:32] that we're utilizing right now

[35:34] and if we went to one of these

[35:38] newer vendors would we would we

[35:39] wholesale replace out all these

[35:39] chargers?

[35:40] >> not necessarily and that is

[35:42] not our intent.

[35:43] Our intent is to utilize the

[35:43] existing infrastructure and

[35:46] have them be able to work on

[35:46] the oldest infrastructure you

[35:50] know, as it's needed.

[35:51] We can determine what that

[35:51] looks like.

[35:52] It can be anything from a full

[35:55] replacement to use what we have

[35:55] until it dies.

[35:58] Got it right so we can

[35:59] determine what that looks like.

[36:02] >> and I know in the in the the

[36:06] letter or memo e received as a

[36:09] part of our packet it talked

[36:10] about if we did it internally

[36:13] we would need to sound like I

[36:14] said one full time person.

[36:17] >> yes and even then one full

[36:18] time person wouldn't be able to

[36:20] offer 24 seven service for

[36:23] repairs and or you know

[36:24] necessarily being able to get

[36:27] you know, chargers running up

[36:28] and running again.

[36:28] You know, we won't have an

[36:31] inventory on hand to quickly

[36:32] swap things out as when you

[36:36] have a vendor an on hand they

[36:36] have those options.

[36:37] >> okay.

[36:39] So it sounds like something is

[36:40] more valuable beneficial to

[36:43] outsource then I always hate to

[36:46] see jobs outsourced of the city

[36:46] .

[36:47] >> I think that that is our

[36:48] recommendation is to look at

[36:49] the third party vendor.

[36:50] Got it.

[36:55] Those are all my questions.

[36:55] >> vice chair patch did you

[36:56] your question.

[36:58] I've got two what I needed

[36:59] around the data so we're good.

[36:59] >> okay.

[37:01] Awesome.

[37:02] >> all right.

[37:02] Any any further questions from

[37:03] any of the commissioners?

[37:06] I had one other question

[37:06] actually.

[37:07] Um, I don't know if you saw

[37:09] this if I missed it, but did

[37:10] you say what the cost per

[37:11] charger is for like to replace

[37:15] one or to put one in writing it

[37:19] back up like average?

[37:20] >> I know there's a bunch of

[37:21] different ones too, but yeah,

[37:22] there are a lot currently we're

[37:26] seeing anywhere from 11,000 to

[37:26] 15,000.

[37:27] >> it's a lot of money.

[37:30] Yeah it is a lot of money and

[37:33] if you do like a bunch in a row

[37:34] does it get a little bit

[37:34] cheaper because the

[37:35] infrastructure is kind of you

[37:37] know so it depends on which

[37:38] company we're talking about too

[37:41] right now because like I said

[37:41] there is one of our vendors is

[37:44] allowing for some modular

[37:45] upgrades and updates.

[37:48] Another one if there's a hose

[37:51] that's broken, they want the

[37:52] entire head replaced.

[37:55] >> and so whereas before you

[37:59] know and the model or one of

[37:59] the vendors is drastically

[38:02] changed from when we originally

[38:03] went with them.

[38:04] So that's kind of the other

[38:06] thing that's pushing us to move

[38:07] to a third party vendor that

[38:10] can help us better manage this.

[38:11] >> yeah.

[38:11] Cool.

[38:14] Thank you.

[38:15] >> I do have ne more question.

[38:16] I'm sorry.

[38:18] So originally we put these in

[38:18] 2017.

[38:22] We don't charge for them.

[38:23] There must have been a plan or

[38:26] some kind of idea of of wire

[38:27] you know what we were going to

[38:27] do with these.

[38:29] So my question is more like if

[38:33] these are level two and they

[38:37] don't charge very fast and then

[38:37] we charge charging a fee what's

[38:41] what's the incentive?

[38:42] I don't have any v so I don't

[38:42] know if I can answer this.

[38:45] I'm asking what's the incentive

[38:48] to use a level two that's not

[38:48] as fast and now they ave to

[38:52] pay a fee for it.

[38:53] >> and will they?

[38:53] Yes.

[38:56] So the intent when they were

[38:56] first put in and you also think

[38:57] you know ten years ago the ev

[39:00] market was in a very different

[39:00] place and so it really was we

[39:04] won't charge a fee now the goal

[39:04] of this is to try and encourage

[39:05] folks to transition their

[39:08] vehicles and free is better

[39:08] than than a fee.

[39:08] Right.

[39:09] and now there are so many more

[39:11] chargers available and

[39:12] different charging models and

[39:15] benefits from mce if you charge

[39:15] at home you can sign up for a

[39:16] special app that is just for

[39:16] that.

[39:18] >> there's a lot more options

[39:21] out there and so from a

[39:22] convenience versus charging

[39:25] perspective customers have more

[39:26] distinction there.

[39:29] So I think the goal with

[39:32] charging a fee is really to

[39:33] make sure it's a sustainable

[39:34] system that is providing the

[39:36] quality customer experience.

[39:37] I think another benefit that

[39:41] we've we believe we will find

[39:41] from our analysis is that it

[39:45] will target more of the folks

[39:46] who really need those chargers

[39:46] who aren't ble to charge at

[39:49] home who aren't able to charge

[39:49] at work.

[39:53] Our feedback so far from folks

[39:53] has been oh if you charge you

[39:56] know at ind of this level I'll

[39:56] probably charge at home.

[39:57] You know it takes that

[40:00] convenience out.

[40:01] It's going to cost a similar

[40:02] amount but it's really for the

[40:05] folks who you know, live in an

[40:05] older apartment or don't have

[40:08] onsite parking for whatever

[40:09] reason they're not able to

[40:12] charge at home or they're

[40:12] already accessing our

[40:13] facilities and it's something

[40:16] that you know, can be a benefit

[40:16] for them when they're there.

[40:18] Maybe it's convenient.

[40:18] >> okay.

[40:19] Mm hmm.

[40:23] Vice chair anything?

[40:26] So I did have one more

[40:26] question.

[40:29] >> I appreciate the engagement

[40:29] .

[40:30] say, you know we care.

[40:33] You know when you buy solar

[40:36] panels for your house now you

[40:37] can also, you know, essentially

[40:38] lease some and put no money

[40:41] down and it's like power

[40:42] purchase program.

[40:42] >> hmm.

[40:45] Do any of these vendors just

[40:45] out f curiosity have a model

[40:48] where we don't have to do the

[40:49] capital investment?

[40:52] It's it's their chargers.

[40:55] They do everything full service

[40:56] package we pay x customer pays

[40:59] y and hopefully we can break

[41:00] even.

[41:03] >> the model is more we lease

[41:03] the parking space to them and

[41:07] then it's their infrastructure

[41:07] .

[41:08] >> they set the rate.

[41:08] There's there are some

[41:12] parameters you can put around

[41:13] it but that that's a bit more

[41:14] what that would be and so it

[41:15] wouldn't be necessarily our

[41:16] parking fee.

[41:17] It would be their their fee on

[41:19] their space that they're

[41:20] leasing from us.

[41:20] Okay.

[41:21] So that's what we see in some

[41:23] other cities.

[41:26] Do I I'm I'm not personally

[41:27] aware of though this might be

[41:28] out there like that gets more

[41:30] complicated when it's inside

[41:31] our garage right where we're

[41:31] charging it so that works

[41:33] better at a surface like but

[41:34] yeah that's more the model

[41:34] we've seen for that there re

[41:37] some providers who do that.

[41:38] Okay, great.

[41:38] Thank you.

[41:39] All right then I think we've

[41:41] concluded commissioner

[41:41] questions.

[41:42] So for the record I have to ask

[41:45] if there's anyone in the public

[41:46] who would like to address the

[41:48] commission on this topic.

[41:49] >> we have no members of the

[41:52] public wishing to provide

[41:53] public comment.

[41:53] >> thank you, MR. Secretary.

[41:57] Then we'll close public comment

[41:58] and we will move on to

[42:00] commissioner comments.

[42:01] Let's go.

[42:04] Reversal here.

[42:08] >> how about vice chair patch?

[42:09] Thank you for this

[42:09] presentation.

[42:09] It's great.

[42:12] I actually just recently went

[42:13] to london and I was going to

[42:16] reach out to you because I saw

[42:17] some cool things around ev

[42:17] chargers and then I saw this

[42:18] was on the agenda.

[42:20] I was like oh I can tweet now.

[42:23] So that's kind of cool.

[42:24] >> one of the things that I saw

[42:27] in london is they have shell

[42:31] charging units attached to

[42:34] telephone poles and street

[42:35] lights.

[42:38] So the city that like basically

[42:42] leases the street lights to

[42:43] shell and shell charges but

[42:44] like they're responsible for

[42:46] the maintenance and stuff and

[42:47] so that's why I asked about

[42:49] corporate sponsorships.

[42:50] I know you're ot looking to

[42:51] expand but that might be

[42:54] something to start thinking

[42:54] about and considering and as

[42:55] -

[42:57] you're looking for a third

[43:00] party vendor I would definitely

[43:02] ask them or include in their

[43:05] qualification portion what

[43:09] their creative solutions are to

[43:09] this issue.

[43:10] Right.

[43:10] Because as you said, you know,

[43:13] we have 40 ports but we have

[43:16] goals of installing a lot more

[43:17] than that.

[43:20] >> so knowing not just how

[43:21] we're maintaining it now but

[43:24] how the expansion is going to

[43:25] work would be really important.

[43:28] I have found as you change

[43:29] vendors that that can be

[43:31] complicated.

[43:32] So if we could find a vendor

[43:33] that actually works with the

[43:35] growth plan as well as the

[43:36] maintenance plan that would be

[43:39] really important.

[43:42] And also on the data front I

[43:43] would be really curious if they

[43:47] can tell us which of our

[43:47] locations are full most of the

[43:50] time so that maybe that's an

[43:51] indicator that there needs to

[43:54] be more chargers there or a

[43:57] higher priority on maintaining

[44:00] those chargers versus like if

[44:01] the other areas are not used as

[44:08] much and I as a person who

[44:09] lives in multi-family complex

[44:12] who cannot install a charger I

[44:12] understand the importance of

[44:16] this publicly available

[44:16] chargers.

[44:19] >> I do think it's reasonable

[44:19] to start charging for them

[44:23] especially if it's a nominal

[44:24] amount that kind of just covers

[44:28] the electricity or a portion of

[44:28] the maintenance coverage.

[44:32] I think that as we move forward

[44:33] the communication on that and

[44:35] why we're charging instead of

[44:39] free is going to be make it

[44:40] making sure that we communicate

[44:40] on that will make sure that

[44:43] it's accessible and hopefully

[44:46] will address some of the user

[44:47] conflict that you're

[44:50] experiencing at places that

[44:51] shouldn't be charging just for

[44:54] charging purposes right?

[44:58] I would also look at if the

[45:02] vendor can have a robust plan

[45:06] for replacing the old ones it's

[45:07] really disappointing to hear

[45:10] that they're not module there

[45:10] anymore.

[45:11] That's just me from a

[45:14] sustainability perspective

[45:15] really irritating to me like

[45:18] why are we wasting materials

[45:19] instead of just replacing the

[45:22] thing that is broken and and

[45:23] understand that that comes from

[45:24] the charger vendor itself and

[45:26] not the person or the company

[45:27] that's going to maintain them

[45:30] but if they have those

[45:30] relationships or they have

[45:33] insights in how we can not have

[45:36] to create waste as we're

[45:37] replacing old chargers that

[45:40] would be great to hear.

[45:44] And a lot of my comments are

[45:45] just about the expansion which

[45:47] you're not focusing on but also

[45:52] I love that we're doing this so

[45:52] I'll probably just send you an

[45:55] email about ideas that I have

[45:59] for expanding our ev chargers

[46:00] in general so that we stay on

[46:02] topic here.

[46:07] >> >> commissioner guerrero.

[46:08] No further comments.

[46:08] Thank you.

[46:09] Was good presentation

[46:11] commissioner mcmahon.

[46:11] >> oh yeah.

[46:14] This was a really good

[46:15] presentation and I really love

[46:15] that we're focused on

[46:17] sustainability for this and I

[46:18] think electric cars are just

[46:19] going to continue to get more

[46:22] popular, more popular as gas

[46:23] prices go up and all this other

[46:23] stuff is going on and as the

[46:26] car prices et as the electric

[46:27] car prices get cheaper, more

[46:28] people are going to be buying

[46:30] them.

[46:31] So I think it's definitely

[46:33] something we should focus on.

[46:34] i totally agree and just some

[46:37] of the comments and what he

[46:38] agenda said that you know,

[46:38] having people pay for it will

[46:41] make it more sustainable.

[46:42] We can keep up these chargers.

[46:45] They can have more uptime.

[46:45] They can be safer too.

[46:46] That's something we actually

[46:49] didn't really talk about today.

[46:50] But I know like six months ago

[46:52] there was a fire in one of the

[46:53] garages and you know that

[46:53] caused a big issue too.

[46:56] So you know, like having money

[46:56] coming in ensures that these

[46:59] are all safe and you know,

[46:59] protecting the cars and

[47:03] protecting the people using the

[47:03] garages.

[47:06] I would say like we should try

[47:07] to gather as much data as we

[47:07] can and use the money that we

[47:10] do make from this or that

[47:10] data.

[47:13] And I second what my other

[47:14] commissioner said in terms of

[47:14] communicating that to the

[47:17] public in terms of like you

[47:21] know, we want to we're charging

[47:22] but we're we're going to use

[47:23] this money to make the chargers

[47:23] better.

[47:24] We're going to put them in

[47:25] places where people need them

[47:26] and it's not something that the

[47:27] city is trying to make money

[47:29] off of and it does seem like

[47:32] the most efficient way would to

[47:33] be hire hired a private company

[47:34] to do this like they're the

[47:36] experts at it.

[47:37] They know what they're doing.

[47:39] So that's would be my

[47:40] recommendation for that.

[47:43] >> so thank you so much.

[47:46] Thank you.

[47:50] Good presentation.

[47:51] Looks like we have pretty good

[47:55] growth of ev chargers across

[47:58] the city mostly you know the

[47:59] commercial chargers see the

[48:02] tesla ones popping up a lot.

[48:03] So I don't have a lot of

[48:03] comments.

[48:10] I know we're trying to I know a

[48:11] part of doing the free was

[48:14] trying to help people who are

[48:14] in the lower income brackets as

[48:15] another part and I don't know

[48:18] if there's a possibility to

[48:18] income qualify for ree

[48:21] charging while having fees for

[48:25] the that you know the more of

[48:26] the masses you know I think

[48:29] unfortunately the hard thing

[48:29] for the people you might want

[48:33] to attract with the free

[48:37] charging the biggest barrier is

[48:37] really not the charging fee

[48:38] it's the cost of getting the

[48:40] the ev itself.

[48:41] Those are you know and even to

[48:42] get a new gasoline car for

[48:45] somebody is expensive these

[48:45] days.

[48:48] But I think this is great I

[48:52] would just offer up we're here

[48:53] if you're interested when you

[48:53] get to the stage of you've

[48:53] -

[48:55] picked like your top 2 or 3

[48:56] vendors and have different

[48:59] models.

[49:00] I'm sure my fellow

[49:04] commissioners would love to

[49:04] kind of see the options and

[49:08] give input and ask questions

[49:08] before you pick that.

[49:11] I don't certainly not a

[49:12] requirement but it's a we're

[49:14] here if you want us.

[49:19] So that being said I thought oh

[49:19] we have another comment.

[49:23] >> vice chair of hatch our

[49:26] chair inspired me potential

[49:26] lee.

[49:27] >> I'd be curious to know if

[49:28] there was like a monthly

[49:31] program instead of a per usage

[49:33] charge rate like you purchase

[49:38] into this number of credits for

[49:39] the month and you get to use

[49:39] one of the chargers.

[49:42] I've no idea if that would work

[49:42] and that would obviously depend

[49:45] on what vendor you go for but

[49:46] it might be a way to offset

[49:49] some of what my fellow

[49:52] commissioner was suggesting on

[49:56] lower income individuals.

[49:57] So I think the purpose of

[49:58] tonight's session was just to

[50:00] give feedback.

[50:01] >> so I don't think there's any

[50:02] motions required for this one.

[50:05] So we will close this topic.

[50:08] >> you just wanted to hate your

[50:08] gavel.

[50:09] >> I just wanted to yeah, it's

[50:10] you know, it's very satisfying

[50:15] and just wait till next year

[50:16] you'll get to feel the

[50:21] satisfaction action.

[50:22] >> all right.

[50:24] Moving on to our second

[50:27] consideration item item b

[50:30] update on bike to wherever day

[50:31] 2026 while the brief update on

[50:31] the bike o wherever day events

[50:34] at broadway annual nd civic

[50:35] park.

[50:38] >> so we're ready for staff

[50:38] presentation.

[50:42] Thank you MR. Chair.

[50:42] Good evening commissioners.

[50:43] My name is henry rude

[50:44] transportation planner for

[50:45] public works.

[50:46] Tonight I'm going to be giving

[50:47] you a quick update on the

[50:50] activities that the traffic

[50:50] engineering division organized

[50:51] for bike tour every day that

[50:54] was last thursday as part of

[50:55] our larger bike month effort

[50:59] for 2026.

[51:00] >> so to begin with our morning

[51:01] location this is the energizer

[51:04] station that we've been hosting

[51:05] at the city.

[51:07] But for the covid interruption

[51:07] for about ten years this was

[51:10] until last year hosted in front

[51:11] of city hall last year and this

[51:15] year we moved it to broadway in

[51:15] newark at the crossing of the

[51:16] iron horse trail.

[51:18] This is an area where we have a

[51:19] larger roadway improvements

[51:22] project underway so this is

[51:23] also a chance to do outreach

[51:26] with people directly on site

[51:26] and additionally just being

[51:27] closer to the trail is a much

[51:30] better way to get cyclists on

[51:30] their way to different places.

[51:33] So like last year we had

[51:34] significantly higher numbers of

[51:37] cyclists come by than the city

[51:38] hall location.

[51:40] We had to about 200 this year.

[51:43] There were some concerns about

[51:44] rdundancy with the bike walk

[51:45] walnut creek location also on

[51:47] the trail pretty close by but

[51:48] there didn't seem to be any

[51:48] issues.

[51:50] Many cyclists are happy to

[51:51] visit many or even all of the

[51:55] energizer stations and you

[51:55] know, we all offer slightly

[51:59] different things so it worked

[51:59] out pretty well.

[52:00] It also that morning allowed us

[52:03] to advertise as our evening

[52:04] afternoon event in civic park

[52:07] which is what most of this

[52:08] presentation will be about

[52:10] because it was a big change.

[52:11] So you an see here a picture

[52:15] it's called the bike rodeo.

[52:19] So this is a almost like a

[52:19] festival in civic park.

[52:22] So compared to the morning

[52:23] energizer station which is just

[52:23] sustainability and traffic

[52:26] engineering hosting like one

[52:26] table each.

[52:29] This was a much, much larger

[52:30] undertaking.

[52:30] We had partnerships with local

[52:31] vendors.

[52:34] We had an obstacle course for

[52:34] cyclists.

[52:35] We had information booths for

[52:37] many more city departments and

[52:38] some local organizations.

[52:42] So just to give you a sense of

[52:42] the scale, this is a map of the

[52:43] event.

[52:44] If you know the civic park

[52:46] layout, that bottom left corner

[52:47] is the bridge into the parking

[52:49] lot.

[52:50] So you can see we had many

[52:51] booths in that kind of cul de

[52:53] sac central area stretching up

[52:54] the path.

[52:54] And then the larger obstacle

[53:00] course by carmel drive.

[53:00] So there's a picture of the

[53:01] obstacle course you can see

[53:04] there it's a chance for kids to

[53:04] kind of practice biking in a

[53:05] safe environment.

[53:07] They can learn about safety

[53:08] practices and improve their

[53:11] maneuvering just kind of get

[53:12] generally more comfortable on

[53:13] the seat of their bike driving

[53:16] on the road, biking on the road

[53:19] and you know, if they can

[53:20] complete the obstacle course

[53:20] they can feel more confident

[53:22] about themselves and be better

[53:23] prepared to handle different

[53:26] aspects of cycling.

[53:30] >> so this as what your extra

[53:30] special attachment was?

[53:33] Our pedal passport the traffic

[53:34] engineering booth provided

[53:37] these to anyone who wanted one.

[53:40] The idea is hat each page has

[53:41] a place where you can get

[53:42] stamped by ne of the

[53:44] information booths.

[53:45] So if you go around and visit

[53:48] everything at the festival you

[53:49] can come back and get a $5 gift

[53:52] card which is not a huge prize

[53:55] but if you're a young child $5

[53:56] at target goes a long way.

[54:00] And we did have great uptick on

[54:03] this target donated us $250 so

[54:07] $55 gift cards and we use them

[54:09] all and in fact we had one

[54:10] unfortunately one additional

[54:11] person who came after we'd run

[54:14] out but they were very

[54:14] understanding luckily and we

[54:18] also had a polaroid camera so

[54:19] you'd see on that first page of

[54:22] the passport there's a spot for

[54:23] a photo so people could

[54:23] directly staple those on and

[54:26] kind of make it more like a

[54:26] real passport, a little

[54:27] souvenir.

[54:27] The parents definitely seemed

[54:29] to love it.

[54:30] A lot of the kids were excited

[54:31] to get their picture taken.

[54:33] You can see in the back of that

[54:34] photo there there's kind of a

[54:35] billowing like yellow orange

[54:37] curtain.

[54:38] That was a little photo booth

[54:39] that we had if you wanted to

[54:41] really do it p properly, a lot

[54:42] of people just wanted a photo

[54:43] right with their bike at the

[54:43] station.

[54:44] But I'd say about half

[54:48] appreciated the photo booth so

[54:51] newly this year we had a much

[54:52] larger collaboration with the

[54:53] kind of outside agencies and

[54:55] vendors.

[54:56] So in addition to the city

[54:57] staff departments and

[55:00] sustainability who was right

[55:00] here police clean water arts

[55:04] and recreation, open space and

[55:04] of course public works with

[55:05] traffic engineering.

[55:08] We also had a booth for bike

[55:09] walk walnut creek which is a

[55:11] local kind of pedestrian

[55:12] bicycle advocacy organization.

[55:15] we also had vendors show up.

[55:19] This was soul house matcha in

[55:19] their debut appearance jp

[55:22] design jewelry, chick-fil-a and

[55:23] target.

[55:23] Some of these were doing

[55:26] giveaways and donations.

[55:27] Others were selling but they

[55:28] definitely helped add to the

[55:30] atmosphere and provide more

[55:31] activities and options for

[55:34] people who were attending.

[55:35] >> so overall this event was

[55:38] definitely a huge success.

[55:39] I think we brought a lot of joy

[55:40] to a lot of kids and families

[55:42] we helped you know, dispense a

[55:43] lot of great information about

[55:47] biking, walking sustainably in

[55:47] walnut creek.

[55:48] There are some lessons learned

[55:50] that we would want to take

[55:51] forward if e were going to do

[55:51] it again.

[55:54] The children were younger than

[55:54] we expected.

[55:57] It was mostly around 4 to 8

[55:57] years old with their parents.

[56:01] Most e-bike and bicycle safety

[56:01] advocacy is typically targeted

[56:05] more at like kind of 12 to 18

[56:05] like tweens and teenagers who

[56:08] are out biking on their own who

[56:09] might be riding e-bikes in a

[56:12] kind of unsafe speed or fashion

[56:13] so that they can learn best

[56:13] practices.

[56:16] So that had kind of been what

[56:17] we'd expecting which is why we

[56:18] opened at 3:00 after school

[56:19] gets out.

[56:19] -

[56:19] but we saw that it was

[56:20] definitely a much younger

[56:23] demographic who are kind of

[56:24] just learning the basics of

[56:24] cycling, doing practice

[56:27] sometimes with training wheels.

[56:30] And that also meant that they

[56:33] the spike in attendance was

[56:34] after 5:00 when their parents

[56:34] could take them directly after

[56:36] work.

[56:37] We also learned that rodeo is

[56:40] not a great fit for walnut

[56:40] creek.

[56:41] People thought it was some kind

[56:44] of a hoedown or something.

[56:45] It's it's not really the kind

[56:47] of place we are.

[56:49] So if we were going to o it

[56:49] again we would probably choose

[56:52] a name that's a little bit less

[56:55] home on the range.

[56:56] We would also probably want to

[56:56] -

[56:56] increase staffing.

[56:59] We had enough to make it work

[57:00] but it was more strained than

[57:00] we typically like to plan for.

[57:03] That's just something where you

[57:04] have to kind of do it and see

[57:04] how it goes.

[57:07] So now we know we could also

[57:07] revise certain passport

[57:10] exercises like the mad libs

[57:10] one.

[57:11] We had our traffic engineering

[57:14] booth supervising and stamping

[57:14] that and managing handing out

[57:15] the passports and redeeming

[57:18] them and it could lead to lead

[57:19] to some, you know, holdups and

[57:22] delays and we would also have

[57:26] more trash facilities nd staff

[57:26] also just something you kind of

[57:29] have to try and see how it goes

[57:29] .

[57:30] We are considering also adding

[57:33] something to the passport about

[57:34] trash pickup so that the

[57:35] attendees have an incentive to

[57:37] participate and help out.

[57:38] >> especially for kids it's a

[57:39] great way to teach them

[57:41] sustainable practices.

[57:42] >> o I just want to give a

[57:45] special thanks to a lot of the

[57:46] organizations that helped us

[57:46] out.

[57:47] street sweeping parking

[57:49] enforcement and traffic

[57:50] maintenance were crucial to

[57:51] clearing out the area, making

[57:54] sure that everything was clean

[57:54] and ready to go helping us set

[57:55] up.

[57:57] Really coffee donated us a

[57:57] giant pitcher of cold brew.

[57:58] So even though they weren't

[57:59] attending their presence was

[58:01] definitely felt.

[58:02] Sports basement and bike link

[58:05] help provided coupons or gift

[58:06] cards that we were allowed to

[58:09] distribute on their behalf and

[58:09] target supplied of course the

[58:10] prize for the pedal passport

[58:12] which was huge.

[58:14] We also had a lot of other city

[58:14] staff who weren't from the

[58:16] specific departments listed who

[58:17] volunteered their time to help

[58:20] us with setup and tear down and

[58:21] we I just wanted to show this

[58:23] picture here of a thank you

[58:27] from one of the attendees.

[58:28] >> so with hat in mind I will

[58:31] open it up to you.

[58:32] We would love to hear your

[58:33] thoughts and insights about how

[58:34] we can make bike month 2027

[58:35] even better.

[58:35] Is there anything else you'd

[58:38] like to see at the rodeo which

[58:39] would probably be under a

[58:42] different name if it happens?

[58:43] And how would you feel about

[58:45] staff focusing our time and

[58:46] resources more on this event

[58:48] and potentially suspending the

[58:49] morning station?

[58:52] Thank you.

[58:53] >> all right, commissioner,

[58:55] question is how about

[59:00] commissioner mcmahon?

[59:01] Yeah, this is an awesome event.

[59:03] I went to one of the tations

[59:03] and it was great just being

[59:06] there.

[59:07] one of my favorite parts of it

[59:08] is the bike to work bags.

[59:10] We always try to get a few

[59:11] every single year so I would

[59:14] say get as many as possible and

[59:15] then I don't know can you guys

[59:18] sell them as well because we

[59:19] would like to buy them honestly

[59:20] because we use them all the

[59:20] time.

[59:22] We lose them all the time and I

[59:23] just I want as many as

[59:23] possible.

[59:26] >> so so a little info about

[59:27] that the bike to work day

[59:30] branded merch is supplied to us

[59:32] by an organization called five

[59:33] on one contra costa.

[59:35] They provide it to everyone

[59:36] hosting an energizer station.

[59:39] It's a fixed amount which is

[59:40] why we always run out of bags

[59:41] so fast so we're not really

[59:44] allowed to sell them either.

[59:44] It's kind of part of the

[59:45] partnership we agree to host an

[59:47] energizer station, be part of

[59:48] their network and in return

[59:51] they help us with some supplies

[59:52] including the bags also like

[59:52] chapstick.

[59:54] So they give us some money to

[59:55] buy snacks and some other

[59:55] things.

[59:59] So we were this year because we

[59:59] had the morning event in the

[1:00:00] evening event we were able to

[1:00:03] double dip so we got twice as

[1:00:03] much stuff to host twice as

[1:00:06] many events but e can't really

[1:00:07] scale up and get more bags on

[1:00:10] our own outside of that much as

[1:00:11] we'd like to because we do

[1:00:12] always run out really fast.

[1:00:14] People love the bags they're

[1:00:14] the best.

[1:00:15] We love them.

[1:00:17] Yeah I definitely agree with

[1:00:18] the change in the name from

[1:00:19] rodeo because I was confused as

[1:00:22] well as a bike rider I'm like

[1:00:22] what's going on with this?

[1:00:23] But yeah I love all the

[1:00:26] pictures and seems like a great

[1:00:27] event and it seems like you did

[1:00:29] a great job.

[1:00:30] I'd love to be considered and

[1:00:33] helping out with the event so

[1:00:34] if you guys need more people

[1:00:35] definitely reach out and let me

[1:00:37] know and I'd love to be there

[1:00:37] next year.

[1:00:38] That's great.

[1:00:38] Thank you.

[1:00:40] Yeah, thank you.

[1:00:41] We have a volunteer

[1:00:44] commissioner guerrero.

[1:00:45] I'll throw my name in to

[1:00:47] volunteer also I would love to

[1:00:48] help out talking about those

[1:00:51] those bags.

[1:00:52] Maybe we can find another

[1:00:53] vendor who can make something

[1:00:55] like it and maybe we could turn

[1:00:55] it into a prize for

[1:00:56] sustainability games talked

[1:00:59] about trash teaching kids I've

[1:01:02] seen that before where you know

[1:01:03] they have a certain amount of

[1:01:04] trash.

[1:01:04] It's not dirty but they get to

[1:01:07] figure out where goes as far as

[1:01:08] recycling and stuff goes.

[1:01:08] And then you talked about

[1:01:11] having older the use so I know

[1:01:14] tomorrow northgate has their

[1:01:15] bike to school day I don't know

[1:01:18] if that's something not just

[1:01:22] them but maybe you coordinated

[1:01:23] with having it on the same day

[1:01:24] one of the high schools or

[1:01:26] middle schools you know are

[1:01:26] biking to school to school day

[1:01:27] maybe in the afternoon they can

[1:01:30] come by after school and they

[1:01:30] can participate are just

[1:01:31] throwing it out there.

[1:01:34] >> yeah, it's something we can

[1:01:34] look into and definitely doing

[1:01:35] direct outreach with the

[1:01:37] schools is a good way to get

[1:01:38] more students to come

[1:01:38] especially those older

[1:01:39] demographics whether or not

[1:01:42] it's on the same bike to school

[1:01:43] day that they have.

[1:01:43] >> yeah but no I think it's

[1:01:44] great.

[1:01:48] Vice chair patch all right.

[1:01:51] I have a couple questions and

[1:01:52] with the morning station versus

[1:01:56] this did you see more of those

[1:01:59] older high school age students

[1:02:00] at the morning station that was

[1:02:00] on the trail?

[1:02:03] We did because los lomas is

[1:02:04] down there.

[1:02:06] A lot of them were in too much

[1:02:07] of a hurry.

[1:02:08] They didn't even want to grab a

[1:02:08] free banana.

[1:02:10] They kind of just ignored us.

[1:02:11] Some of them did stop but it

[1:02:12] was a lot f kind of older

[1:02:15] groups including some of the

[1:02:16] like families with young

[1:02:16] children who we got to

[1:02:18] advertise the evening event to.

[1:02:19] There was still probably more

[1:02:19] of those.

[1:02:23] Yeah, like you know, 10 to 16

[1:02:23] kids in the morning, you know,

[1:02:27] even if a lot of them ignored

[1:02:29] us a lot of them didn't so you

[1:02:30] know we did mention the evening

[1:02:31] event to them where we could

[1:02:34] but it seems like they were not

[1:02:35] enticed.

[1:02:35] >> and do you feel like it was

[1:02:38] about the same level as last

[1:02:41] year at that station as your it

[1:02:42] was similar.

[1:02:43] It was a little less last year

[1:02:45] we had 219 and this ear it was

[1:02:45] 200 but still pretty comparable

[1:02:48] and our old city hall stations

[1:02:49] would get like 100.

[1:02:50] >> so it's way better than that

[1:02:52] great, great.

[1:02:56] >> and and how did you decide

[1:02:57] to have the evening event at

[1:03:00] civic park instead of any other

[1:03:00] location?

[1:03:03] >> civic park it's city owned

[1:03:04] so we have the latitude to do

[1:03:07] things like clear out the

[1:03:08] parking lot for the obstacle

[1:03:10] course, you know, clear out the

[1:03:11] area host all the vendors get

[1:03:15] the setup going earlier we

[1:03:16] wanted something that was close

[1:03:16] at hand because all of our

[1:03:19] staff that is helping out

[1:03:20] needed to be able to get their

[1:03:21] materials over there and back

[1:03:23] in a reasonable time frame.

[1:03:26] We had we used like city

[1:03:27] vehicles like cool cars to help

[1:03:30] transport everything but giving

[1:03:31] people the option to just walk

[1:03:32] back to city hall or like at

[1:03:33] the end of the day to walk to

[1:03:35] bart or whatever it makes it

[1:03:35] much easier for not only our

[1:03:38] dedicated staff but also the

[1:03:38] people volunteering their time

[1:03:39] and it's I don't think we had

[1:03:42] any issues with the venue this

[1:03:43] year really it served our

[1:03:45] purposes very well.

[1:03:46] Great.

[1:03:49] That's awesome to hear and then

[1:03:50] did a few meetings ago we had a

[1:03:54] great presentation on on the

[1:03:54] bike to school.

[1:03:57] It has a special name is that

[1:03:58] what it's called a walk and

[1:03:58] roll program.

[1:03:59] Thank you.

[1:04:01] The walk and roll program did

[1:04:02] you reach out to them about any

[1:04:04] collaboration?

[1:04:08] So the walk and roll program is

[1:04:09] also undertaken by five and one

[1:04:12] contra costa who's the bike

[1:04:13] tour everyday organization.

[1:04:13] >> so we were collaborating

[1:04:16] with them very closely.

[1:04:17] >> you could mention that chiro

[1:04:19] had our station up in the

[1:04:20] trail.

[1:04:20] >> yes.

[1:04:21] Yeah they had a station

[1:04:23] dedicated to that further up on

[1:04:24] the iron horse trail as well.

[1:04:24] >> yeah I figured they had an

[1:04:27] energizer station wasn't sure

[1:04:28] about yeah the evening of it

[1:04:31] and they were the ones who use

[1:04:32] the bike blenders which is why

[1:04:33] we are not allowed to bar them

[1:04:34] there.

[1:04:35] >> okay, that's t for my

[1:04:36] questions.

[1:04:38] Great.

[1:04:43] What now when you had the

[1:04:44] people showing up at the

[1:04:46] station I'm running station the

[1:04:47] morning station.

[1:04:49] We're gathering feedback from

[1:04:49] them.

[1:04:50] Right or we're getting

[1:04:53] questions were there any

[1:04:54] thematic questions or comments

[1:04:57] from the 200 folks?

[1:04:58] You know that trail crossing is

[1:05:00] pretty hairy.

[1:05:01] It's got a very long signals

[1:05:04] across a very wide you know,

[1:05:07] stretches of roadway.

[1:05:08] So people are generally pretty

[1:05:09] excited about the thought of

[1:05:11] having a diagonal crossing

[1:05:12] about how many general

[1:05:13] improvements, you know,

[1:05:16] unsurprised really since we

[1:05:17] were right at that corner

[1:05:18] catching people going from

[1:05:18] corner to corner.

[1:05:20] They were more focused on that

[1:05:21] than on the other you know, new

[1:05:21] all ut improvements.

[1:05:22] But that doesn't mean that

[1:05:23] they're not meaningful.

[1:05:24] It's just you know, what's the

[1:05:30] demographic you're catching so

[1:05:34] wat makes you comfortable with

[1:05:35] the thought of potentially

[1:05:39] suspending the morning station

[1:05:39] because there's obviously

[1:05:40] something in the back of your

[1:05:42] mind going away maybe we can do

[1:05:43] without it.

[1:05:43] >> what what's what's behind

[1:05:44] that?

[1:05:47] So we had kind of a postmortem

[1:05:50] this morning as I alluded to in

[1:05:51] the presentation a bit.

[1:05:54] It was very draining on staff

[1:05:55] time, resources nd energy.

[1:05:58] So being able to consolidate

[1:05:59] all of that into the evening

[1:06:02] event leaves us with much more

[1:06:03] options to ake that much

[1:06:03] better instead of having to

[1:06:06] stretch ourselves so thin.

[1:06:07] So it's not necessarily true

[1:06:09] that we would do that.

[1:06:10] It's just a possibility we're

[1:06:13] exploring not only for our, you

[1:06:14] know, time and energy but also

[1:06:14] the people helping us the

[1:06:17] volunteers potential donors

[1:06:20] supplying things or showing up

[1:06:20] .

[1:06:21] It's basically just that if we

[1:06:24] have, you know, one event

[1:06:24] that's smaller scale and you

[1:06:28] know, not as fun we have one

[1:06:29] that's a much bigger deal being

[1:06:31] able to consolidate everything

[1:06:32] into that could potentially,

[1:06:33] you know, have a much better

[1:06:36] day overall all that we're also

[1:06:40] looking at impact in terms of

[1:06:41] the community and engagement

[1:06:42] and we just feel like the the

[1:06:44] afternoon event engages a lot

[1:06:44] better.

[1:06:47] It gives that full experience

[1:06:48] of a festival kind of going on

[1:06:51] getting kids actually on bikes

[1:06:52] at the younger ages is great

[1:06:55] but yeah the day it's a it's a

[1:06:56] great great day it's a holiday

[1:06:58] really for us in terms of

[1:07:01] celebrating alternative modes

[1:07:02] but you know at 7 A.M. To 7

[1:07:05] P.M. And there's a lot of steps

[1:07:06] you know I got my 15,000 steps

[1:07:10] that day it's it's a lot of

[1:07:11] moving stuff coordination and

[1:07:14] not only that prepping for both

[1:07:17] events and advanced so brianna

[1:07:18] henry and I were all done a lot

[1:07:21] of that that effort so got it

[1:07:22] and and like all good hallmark

[1:07:24] movies there's always a

[1:07:25] festival.

[1:07:25] >> something else I'll add is

[1:07:29] that the evening event?

[1:07:30] You know even if there are just

[1:07:30] passers by who see a sign in

[1:07:33] civic park there coming on

[1:07:33] purpose they're necessarily

[1:07:36] interested whereas in the

[1:07:37] morning you're just catching

[1:07:38] some fraction of people on

[1:07:40] their way who are willing to

[1:07:40] stop.

[1:07:41] A lot of them are just happy to

[1:07:44] grab a snack and go and that's

[1:07:44] fine.

[1:07:45] That's what we're there for.

[1:07:45] But in terms of outreach,

[1:07:47] having these dedicated

[1:07:48] information booths especially

[1:07:49] with a prize incentive to go

[1:07:52] visit them all it lets us be a

[1:07:52] lot more direct and a lot more

[1:07:55] specific across different areas

[1:07:56] just cover a lot more ground as

[1:07:59] well in terms of outreach and

[1:08:00] information.

[1:08:00] Great.

[1:08:03] All good thinking there.

[1:08:04] Any other commissioner

[1:08:08] questions there being none we

[1:08:11] will move to public comment.

[1:08:12] Is there anyone in the public

[1:08:14] who wishes to comment on this

[1:08:15] item?

[1:08:19] >> we have no members of the

[1:08:19] public wishing the required

[1:08:20] comment.

[1:08:22] >> thank you MR. Secretary.

[1:08:23] We'll close public comment and

[1:08:26] move to commissioner comments.

[1:08:30] How about will the vice chair

[1:08:31] patch you just like gone in

[1:08:33] reverse order?

[1:08:34] I like to mix it up.

[1:08:35] Yeah.

[1:08:37] Thank you for this presentation

[1:08:38] .

[1:08:39] I am so glad that it was such a

[1:08:41] successful event for our first

[1:08:42] time trying something like

[1:08:42] this.

[1:08:45] I mean that's very hard to do

[1:08:46] so props to all of the staff

[1:08:49] that made that happen.

[1:08:50] I was really sad to MISS It.

[1:08:52] I ended up with a migraine that

[1:08:53] day so I couldn't go but I it

[1:08:56] sounded like it was really

[1:09:00] great.

[1:09:03] I kind of understand why the

[1:09:04] children participating skewed

[1:09:08] in a younger age just given the

[1:09:11] passport that we put together.

[1:09:14] So I think there might need to

[1:09:15] be like a second activity or a

[1:09:17] more complicated obstacle

[1:09:19] course if you do want to get

[1:09:21] those older children involved

[1:09:25] and participating in a way

[1:09:28] that's meaningful like maybe

[1:09:29] there is two activities, right?

[1:09:30] Like there's a safe space to

[1:09:33] learn to ride a bike and then

[1:09:33] there's an obstacle course

[1:09:39] that's hard or for those teens

[1:09:40] in terms of the the morning

[1:09:43] station versus this I totally

[1:09:49] hear staff on it takes a lot of

[1:09:51] effort and resources to do that

[1:09:52] and I'm almost wondering if

[1:09:55] maybe we need to think about

[1:09:59] doing the bike not a rodeo

[1:10:03] rodeo n a different day like

[1:10:04] halfway through the years you

[1:10:06] have two events kind of trying

[1:10:07] to promote bike safety and

[1:10:11] other modules of transportation

[1:10:12] just because I think that the

[1:10:15] morning session does hit a

[1:10:16] different demographic than a

[1:10:19] fun festival family focused

[1:10:26] situation or maybe you save

[1:10:26] having those morning sessions

[1:10:30] for years where we are looking

[1:10:31] for public feedback on specific

[1:10:34] transportation changes, right?

[1:10:35] So last year it was really

[1:10:36] important because we were

[1:10:38] asking questions about the

[1:10:39] changes the city was looking to

[1:10:42] make on some of those

[1:10:43] intersections where we have the

[1:10:46] station and and maybe we didn't

[1:10:47] need it this year because we

[1:10:49] got the feedback last year or

[1:10:50] next year we don't need it

[1:10:50] because we're not doing

[1:10:53] anything active instead of just

[1:10:57] doing away with it entirely for

[1:10:58] all for forseeable future using

[1:11:01] it more strategically when we

[1:11:02] want to do constituent

[1:11:05] engagement and and then it

[1:11:09] sounded like you had a lot of

[1:11:10] booths for your first year

[1:11:10] which is fantastic.

[1:11:13] I think two ideas for

[1:11:16] additional booths is working

[1:11:17] with the organization downtown

[1:11:20] walnut creek to see if maybe

[1:11:21] they'll get some of the walnut

[1:11:24] creek businesses to have booths

[1:11:25] there and a lot of them do.

[1:11:28] Have you know, bike racks right

[1:11:29] in front of their stores.

[1:11:32] So those might be particular

[1:11:33] for companies that want to

[1:11:37] participate and then the why am

[1:11:37] I forgetting the name again

[1:11:40] role to school walk and roll

[1:11:41] rock rock and roll program I

[1:11:43] got that they had a little

[1:11:44] energizer station but it feels

[1:11:47] like they should have a booth

[1:11:48] at this festival as well

[1:11:50] specifically because they focus

[1:11:54] on bike safety for kids and

[1:11:55] they can you know, talk to the

[1:11:58] parents about if they want to

[1:11:59] volunteer or if their school is

[1:12:01] not already participating in

[1:12:02] the program how they could get

[1:12:05] the program at their school.

[1:12:05] Thank you.

[1:12:09] Commissioner guerrero I thought

[1:12:10] I was going to presentation and

[1:12:11] yeah thank you very much.

[1:12:15] >> other comments?

[1:12:16] MR. Mcmahon yeah thank you for

[1:12:18] the presentation that was

[1:12:19] awesome.

[1:12:20] The bike rodeo looks super fun

[1:12:23] and yeah I think it's one of

[1:12:24] the best days of the year in

[1:12:24] walnut creek honestly overall

[1:12:26] and I really like what

[1:12:27] commissioner paige said about

[1:12:29] maybe make it two days where

[1:12:30] just so you guys don't have to

[1:12:33] you know be there ll day and

[1:12:36] then yeah and then you kind f

[1:12:36] have two days where we focus on

[1:12:37] alternate forms of

[1:12:39] transportation.

[1:12:40] But honestly from the pictures

[1:12:41] and from your presentation it

[1:12:43] looks like you've been doing it

[1:12:44] for many years and it's looking

[1:12:47] awesome.

[1:12:48] So I think yeah maybe just a

[1:12:48] few little tweaks here and

[1:12:49] there to just get more people

[1:12:51] out there and make it better

[1:12:52] and yeah get a few more older

[1:12:55] kids in there I think would be

[1:12:55] great but yeah it sounds like

[1:12:56] you guys are on the right track

[1:12:58] and you're doing a great job so

[1:13:01] really ppreciate that.

[1:13:05] Thank you.

[1:13:05] This is great.

[1:13:06] It's very cute.

[1:13:08] I like the idea.

[1:13:09] I also like the idea of

[1:13:19] expanding it.

[1:13:20] >> I guess the main comment I'm

[1:13:23] thinking of I always like to

[1:13:24] think a little outside the box

[1:13:31] so thinking about the state of

[1:13:32] the walnut festival and you

[1:13:35] know it was been displaced from

[1:13:36] heather farms park some eople

[1:13:40] have suggested oh why can't we

[1:13:40] have the walnut festival at

[1:13:42] civic park secretary's

[1:13:43] wondering where I'm going with

[1:13:46] this but what about maybe

[1:13:50] growing this a little bit

[1:13:54] bigger within the confines of

[1:13:55] civic park and you know, at a

[1:13:58] minimum make it all I guess

[1:14:01] call it all non car

[1:14:05] transportation mode so walking

[1:14:12] biking, biking e-scooters you

[1:14:16] can also even bring in contra

[1:14:16] costa county transit.

[1:14:20] You know that's another form of

[1:14:21] it's not human transportation

[1:14:23] per se but it's another form of

[1:14:24] non vehicle because that's I

[1:14:25] think that's what we're kind of

[1:14:27] driving towards and if you

[1:14:28] could bring in more if you

[1:14:31] could get more maybe food

[1:14:35] booths and vendors there and

[1:14:35] just kind of grow it to maybe

[1:14:39] make it a little bit bigger if

[1:14:40] you're going to go with the

[1:14:40] festival came up with a crazy

[1:14:42] name the bike nut festival

[1:14:43] instead of the walnut festival

[1:14:46] but I know that sounds really

[1:14:47] bad but I'm just wondering you

[1:14:50] know consider thinking a little

[1:14:51] bit bigger.

[1:14:54] You got a great facility there

[1:14:55] and I think people walnut creek

[1:14:58] are craving what they're not

[1:15:01] getting with the displaced

[1:15:02] walnut festival even if it's

[1:15:03] going to be obviously a lot

[1:15:03] smaller than what the walnut

[1:15:07] festival used to be.

[1:15:08] >> and you know now when they

[1:15:09] do the walnut festival when

[1:15:10] they do it, they do t in

[1:15:11] antioch and that's really far

[1:15:11] away.

[1:15:13] What could we make this

[1:15:14] something bigger but at the

[1:15:17] same time keep that you know

[1:15:20] non automobile transportation

[1:15:24] focus as a theme that's really

[1:15:25] my only comment other than you

[1:15:30] know great work on the event

[1:15:31] and I think that's just like

[1:15:34] the other item we don't need

[1:15:35] emotion we're just receiving

[1:15:38] information so I get to do it

[1:15:39] again.

[1:15:40] >> this topic is closed.

[1:15:45] >> thank you very much.

[1:15:50] Here eel my gavel apple all

[1:15:54] right.

[1:15:55] >> all right.

[1:15:56] Moving n to commissioner

[1:15:58] announcements and brief reports

[1:15:59] on activities.

[1:16:02] So do any of the commissioners

[1:16:03] have any activities they've

[1:16:04] attended or have any

[1:16:06] announcements or reports if

[1:16:07] any?

[1:16:11] >> we have the the breakfast to

[1:16:11] report on we can would you like

[1:16:15] to report on that vice hair

[1:16:15] approach?

[1:16:16] I think you would be fantastic

[1:16:18] at it.

[1:16:19] >> I, I don't know what to

[1:16:19] report on.

[1:16:21] I'll just just you know every

[1:16:25] every corner there's a for

[1:16:26] people who don't know there's a

[1:16:29] mayors breakfast meeting it

[1:16:30] usually has the mayor the vice

[1:16:33] mayor mayor pro tem city

[1:16:34] manager and then it has the

[1:16:38] chair and vice chair of all the

[1:16:40] commissions and committees and

[1:16:44] then usually the city staff,

[1:16:45] usually the secretaries of the

[1:16:48] various commissions and we get

[1:16:49] great update from the mayor

[1:16:53] what's going on in the city,

[1:16:53] the mayor, the mayor pro tem

[1:16:56] and the city manager and then

[1:16:59] we rotate around and each pair

[1:17:00] of commission chair and vice

[1:17:01] chairs do an update on what's

[1:17:04] happened since the last meeting

[1:17:04] that the various commission so

[1:17:05] it's a great it's a great way

[1:17:10] to share I always ncourage

[1:17:11] even if you're not chair or

[1:17:12] vice chair when I'm not vice

[1:17:15] chair or chair I still go it's

[1:17:15] really fun to listen to and you

[1:17:18] get a free breakfast with some

[1:17:21] pretty good food so anything

[1:17:22] that that brings up some

[1:17:25] memories for you.

[1:17:25] Yeah.

[1:17:26] -

[1:17:26] all right.

[1:17:29] Any other the the only activity

[1:17:33] I took part in because I think

[1:17:33] I mentioned this at that

[1:17:36] quarterly breakfast meeting I

[1:17:37] did a friday night right along

[1:17:43] with walnut police with officer

[1:17:44] eric payton.

[1:17:45] That was really a lot of fun.

[1:17:48] Very educational and I

[1:17:52] encourage others to request a

[1:17:52] ride along the police

[1:17:56] department is very open and

[1:17:59] likes to take people along and

[1:18:00] show us what they do and how

[1:18:01] they do it.

[1:18:03] >> I was definitely very

[1:18:07] impressed with I never realized

[1:18:08] because we just at a restaurant

[1:18:10] in downtown you might see one

[1:18:14] police vehicle but when I was

[1:18:15] driving around with officer

[1:18:18] payton I couldn't believe how

[1:18:18] many times we ran into another

[1:18:19] officer.

[1:18:21] >> we have a lot of active

[1:18:22] patrolling on friday and

[1:18:22] saturday nights in downtown

[1:18:26] makes us feel like it made me

[1:18:29] feel a lot safer so I encourage

[1:18:30] people to take advantage of the

[1:18:32] generosity of the police

[1:18:33] department allowing the ride

[1:18:33] alongs.

[1:18:37] So that's all I've got.

[1:18:40] That's oh go ahead vice chair

[1:18:44] for a crosswalk improvement

[1:18:45] bike trail improvement on jones

[1:18:47] road is in place and it looks

[1:18:47] fantastic.

[1:18:51] >> great job.

[1:18:52] >> and do we have any report

[1:18:55] out from our williams

[1:18:55] secretary?

[1:18:56] >> well we have so many I'm

[1:18:57] going to have brianna ome up

[1:19:02] and all right.

[1:19:06] Yeah.

[1:19:07] Hi commissioners again my are

[1:19:09] for the new commissioners.

[1:19:10] My name is brianna byrne.

[1:19:11] I'm also a traffic engineer

[1:19:13] here at the city of walnut

[1:19:13] creek.

[1:19:17] So good news grant updates.

[1:19:18] So back in JANUARY, rashad

[1:19:21] culver with our capital

[1:19:21] improvement program presented

[1:19:27] on tda grants we were going for

[1:19:28] $100,000 to cover a portion of

[1:19:29] class for bikeways on your

[1:19:31] avenue.

[1:19:32] We asked for 100, we got 80 so

[1:19:35] and then the other great

[1:19:38] updates just this past tuesday

[1:19:43] we applied for tfc a grant it's

[1:19:46] transportation clean air fund

[1:19:50] fund air for clean air and so

[1:19:53] we applied for two hundred and

[1:19:57] $20,000 to cover a portion of

[1:19:58] our parkside cycle track

[1:19:58] project.

[1:20:02] This project received some

[1:20:02] funds from our affordable

[1:20:06] housing and sustainable

[1:20:06] communities rant that we were

[1:20:07] awarded a couple of years ago

[1:20:10] but with the cost of

[1:20:11] construction and general price

[1:20:15] increases that we're noticing a

[1:20:15] deficit.

[1:20:17] So we had pursued $220,000 so

[1:20:18] we applied on tuesday.

[1:20:21] Stay tuned for updates on that.

[1:20:24] And then the last thing I'm

[1:20:25] going to share before passing

[1:20:28] off to matt on also on tuesday

[1:20:29] as we're still coming down from

[1:20:32] our party planning energy, matt

[1:20:35] and I got the opportunity to

[1:20:36] work with our local fire

[1:20:39] department station number one

[1:20:42] over on civic drive just

[1:20:43] literally across the street.

[1:20:44] They had eached out a couple

[1:20:47] weeks ago about our preemption

[1:20:51] system so at our traffic

[1:20:51] signals there is a device where

[1:20:55] emergency service vehicles like

[1:20:58] ambulances, police officers and

[1:20:59] fire, they can put in a signal

[1:21:03] to our traffic signals and ask

[1:21:03] for the green.

[1:21:04] So they had reached out about

[1:21:06] some intersections they were

[1:21:07] having difficulty with.

[1:21:10] And so matt and I got to do a

[1:21:11] bit of a ride along.

[1:21:12] I was in the front seat with

[1:21:14] the laptop, remote it into our

[1:21:15] servers and matt was at the

[1:21:17] cabinet making sure that we

[1:21:20] were getting the preempt and so

[1:21:21] we looked at five

[1:21:21] intersections.

[1:21:24] We were able to investigate a

[1:21:28] couple tweaks our traffic

[1:21:29] signal and maintenance guys

[1:21:30] made a couple tweaks, confirmed

[1:21:32] some we're working and matt and

[1:21:33] I have some next steps and

[1:21:36] we're looking to do another

[1:21:37] ride along with our officers in

[1:21:40] the next six months or so after

[1:21:41] we've been able to make more

[1:21:43] tweaks on our system.

[1:21:47] Yah that was fun.

[1:21:48] Just as a kind of public

[1:21:51] announcement that the bridge

[1:21:52] the pedestrian bridge that goes

[1:21:54] along the iron horse trail

[1:21:55] overtreat boulevard it has some

[1:21:59] repairs and so they will be

[1:22:02] closing treatment boulevard

[1:22:02] they will close tree boulevard

[1:22:03] at this location at jones road

[1:22:09] basically at night for two

[1:22:09] weeks time.

[1:22:13] i don't know when this will be

[1:22:16] just heads up and if we meet

[1:22:18] again or have a date if they're

[1:22:20] closer to to working on that

[1:22:24] you should know the general

[1:22:25] plan study session meeting is

[1:22:30] in on JUNE 25th at 6 P.M. On

[1:22:31] the third floor which you can

[1:22:34] take that elevator to get up to

[1:22:34] .

[1:22:35] So just looking for your

[1:22:38] attendance there it's a

[1:22:38] basically informational item

[1:22:41] gather feedback and kind of

[1:22:42] start that general plan

[1:22:46] outreach effort with our

[1:22:47] commissioners.

[1:22:47] So be a big all the

[1:22:48] commissioners, all ill be

[1:22:55] gathering and that's all.

[1:22:56] >> thank you.

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