[0:00] AUGUST 20th, 25th.

[0:06] The order

[0:10] or roll call tristan

[0:11] chairperson stephen gilday.

[0:14] Present board member maurice

[0:18] capra here, board member art

[0:19] geller here for member jonathan

[0:20] ober here.

[0:21] Board member joanne kreps here

[0:25] and board attorney.

[0:25] >> I'm over here.

[0:25] Thank you.

[0:26] All right.

[0:29] I'd like to ask everybody to

[0:32] rise for a moment of silence,

[0:38] please

[0:40] .

[0:41] MR. Mayor, would you sign the

[0:42] pledge of allegiance, please?

[0:47] I pledge allegiance to the flag

[0:49] of the united states of america

[0:50] for which it stands one nation

[0:54] under GOD, indivisible, with

[0:54] liberty and justice for all.

[1:01] For all

[1:04] .

[1:04] All right.

[1:08] Deputy chief.

[1:08] How are you tonight?

[1:12] I'm great.

[1:12] >> how are you guys?

[1:13] Wonderful.

[1:14] Do we have any changes to the

[1:16] agenda?

[1:16] Yes.

[1:17] I'm happy to report that we

[1:18] will remove five of one as it

[1:19] came into compliance late this

[1:22] afternoon.

[1:22] >> wonderful.

[1:23] And I would also like to make a

[1:27] recommendation if the board so

[1:30] desires to move 5o2 in front of

[1:31] 500 as we don't have anybody

[1:33] from 500 here at this time and

[1:36] several people for 5o2.

[1:36] No objection.

[1:40] All in favor?

[1:40] Right.

[1:47] Yeah, no problem.

[1:47] Okay.

[1:51] MAY I ask that all code

[1:51] enforcement officers and other

[1:54] individuals giving testimony

[1:55] this evening please come up to

[1:58] the podium on you're going to

[1:58] give testimony and announce

[2:02] your name, position or your

[2:02] name and address.

[2:06] And before speaking.

[2:07] And at this time, if you plan

[2:08] to come up, if you would stand

[2:15] and be sworn in, no.

[2:16] Can I have you raise your right

[2:19] hand and then do you swear and

[2:20] affirm to tell the truth the

[2:22] whole truth and nothing but the

[2:22] truth?

[2:23] >> awesome.

[2:26] Can I also just make a note of

[2:27] anybody in the audience?

[2:27] If you're going to speak, could

[2:30] you just write your name down

[2:30] on this little border here just

[2:31] to make sure I have it spelled

[2:34] correct in the minutes for me?

[2:34] Yes, ma'am.

[2:41] Thank you.

[2:42] >> you guys are humming along.

[2:45] No typos and everything look

[2:45] good.

[2:46] Okay.

[2:46] Good job.

[2:46] Thank you.

[2:49] Triple j.

[2:49] All right.

[2:52] Did any one else read the

[2:55] minutes from tuesday, JULY

[2:55] 28th, 2026.

[2:56] >> sorry to your person.

[2:57] We actually have to elect a

[2:59] vice chairperson for the

[3:00] remainder of this year.

[3:03] Since miguel was our vice chair

[3:04] we do have to just select

[3:06] someone else just in case.

[3:06] >> okay.

[3:11] What happens if we don't select

[3:13] someone?

[3:14] Can we postpone it to the next

[3:17] meeting?

[3:17] Potentially.

[3:18] It's really just the vice

[3:19] chairperson there in case the

[3:21] chairperson can't be here for

[3:22] whatever reason the vice

[3:22] chairperson can then run the

[3:23] meeting.

[3:25] It's just one of those

[3:26] safeguards that we have in

[3:28] place for that in case

[3:28] something happens.

[3:32] >> yeah, our main reasoning,

[3:33] our hesitancy is miguel really

[3:35] good.

[3:36] He's very thorough and every

[3:40] time we always learn something

[3:40] from coaches.

[3:44] >> what can we can we point to

[3:47] interim for him?

[3:48] I mean I mean, if he comes back

[3:51] then he would take it now or do

[3:52] we have to redo it for an issue

[3:54] with that?

[3:55] >> how does that work?

[3:56] I think that would be fine.

[3:59] Do we know if he's thinking of

[4:01] coming back or we have an

[4:02] application of file?

[4:02] He has shown interest.

[4:03] It's just in regards to the

[4:05] commission has not reappointed

[4:06] him yet.

[4:06] >> sure.

[4:07] And I got a response there on

[4:07] it.

[4:10] Yes, got that.

[4:10] I'll be back.

[4:10] Gotcha.

[4:14] Yeah, we can table it for next

[4:14] time or postpone it next time

[4:14] if you would like.

[4:18] Or we can appoint an interim

[4:18] like we wouldn't for good for

[4:19] the evening.

[4:21] >> let's postpone until next

[4:22] time.

[4:22] Okay?

[4:22] Okay.

[4:22] Yeah.

[4:25] Do we ever have an excuse me?

[4:26] Do we ever have an opportunity

[4:27] where this board would have to

[4:29] meet prior to the next meeting?

[4:29] >> not from my understand less.

[4:32] It's a complete emergency, you

[4:33] know, in regards to safety and

[4:33] hazards and things.

[4:36] But like I don't I've never had

[4:36] that happen.

[4:39] >> yeah that's that's correct.

[4:40] If there was an emergency and

[4:41] we needed to get the board

[4:45] together, we could do so.

[4:46] >> that's why I was asking

[4:48] about a typical term.

[4:49] But just at that point we could

[4:52] look at that point if there's

[4:52] an emergency, those of us who

[4:55] come to that meeting would be

[4:56] able to elect somebody at that

[4:56] point.

[5:00] >> I mean, again, it's only if

[5:00] the chair person can't make it.

[5:01] Yeah, that would be that would

[5:03] be could we do that if the

[5:04] chair couldn't make it, we

[5:05] could all show up and then

[5:07] elect somebody that night.

[5:07] Sure.

[5:07] Okay.

[5:07] Yeah.

[5:08] Then I'm good with it.

[5:11] So then I would formally move

[5:14] to table the yeah for me move

[5:18] to the table the election of to

[5:18] the next meeting.

[5:20] Second.

[5:20] All in favor?

[5:22] I.

[5:27] All right.

[5:27] >> now back to where I was

[5:28] thinking.

[5:31] Sorry.

[5:31] >> okay.

[5:31] Just kidding.

[5:34] Just on your job has anybody

[5:37] reviewed the minutes from the

[5:38] the JULY meeting?

[5:41] JULY 28th, 2026?

[5:41] Yes.

[5:42] No, they were painful.

[5:44] Sorry.

[5:45] Do you and do you have any

[5:48] changes, any issues or do you

[5:49] have a motion to approve?

[5:52] I didn't see anything that I

[5:57] noted was incorrect.

[5:57] Okay.

[5:58] So I would make a motion to

[6:03] approve the minutes from JULY

[6:06] 2026 second nothing.

[6:09] We have a second roll call.

[6:09] Chairperson gilday.

[6:13] Yeah.

[6:13] Board member keppra board

[6:14] member obama.

[6:16] All right.

[6:17] Board member cripps like board

[6:17] member gallo.

[6:23] All right.

[6:27] I know continued cases, no

[6:31] repeat cases 500.

[6:37] We are going to move five out.

[6:41] One is in compliance.

[6:44] That brings us to five vote to

[6:47] item five or to please.

[6:47] >> good evening.

[6:48] For the record, my name is

[6:48] carlos to follow.

[6:51] Code compliance division of

[6:51] city warner springs.

[6:55] >> I bring before you

[7:00] presentation 2026 cv 000927 and

[7:01] I ask the board to accept this

[7:03] presentation into evidence and

[7:07] one second.

[7:14] All those technical good okay

[7:18] for the case address is 1219

[7:19] sworn st for violations of city

[7:23] ordinance 13 dash two b 13 dash

[7:31] two c 13 dash two d and 9-374.

[7:32] Okay, I got it.

[7:32] thank you.

[7:38] Definition as presented.

[7:41] Definition as presented.

[7:45] Definition as presented and in

[7:49] definition as presented.

[7:50] >> case summary JUNE 3rd, 2026

[7:50] code compliance division

[7:53] received a citizen complaint

[7:54] regarding multiple code

[7:54] violations at the reference

[7:56] property on JUNE ninth a follow

[7:57] up inspection was performed

[7:57] observed building materials

[8:01] overgrowth, yard debris damage

[8:04] or dead trees, waste within the

[8:05] front area of the property.

[8:06] The screening as a site barrier

[8:08] is in disarray and address

[8:09] numbers on the property

[8:10] building and both sides of the

[8:12] mailbox not legible or missing

[8:15] exhibits one through 12th JUNE

[8:16] 10 to 26 and notice of

[8:17] violation was mailed to the

[8:19] registered property owner by

[8:20] usps certified mail with return

[8:22] receipt requested posted at the

[8:23] property where the alleged

[8:24] violation existed and posted at

[8:28] city hall exhibit 13 exhibit

[8:32] one.

[8:34] Exhibit two.

[8:39] Exhibit three.

[8:43] Exhibit four.

[8:50] Exhibit five six.

[8:54] Exhibit seven.

[8:57] Exhibit eight.

[9:00] Exhibit nine.

[9:04] Exhibit ten.

[9:08] Exhibit 11 and exhibit 12.

[9:08] >> probably can't see too well,

[9:12] but there is a medium sized

[9:15] tree that has broken in half.

[9:16] Top section has fallen over but

[9:19] the other section remains

[9:20] planted into the ground.

[9:24] >> there is another tree in the

[9:24] back you'll see in a different

[9:25] exhibit.

[9:27] Notice of violation posting

[9:32] case summary JUNE 29, 2026

[9:32] property ownership was updated

[9:34] on seminole county appraiser as

[9:35] of JUNE 15th 2026 followup

[9:39] inspection was performed to

[9:40] verify the violations remain on

[9:42] the property JULY 14 to 2026

[9:43] and also violation was mailed

[9:46] to the register property owner

[9:46] by usps certified mail return

[9:50] receipt requested JULY 17, 2026

[9:50] and notice of violation was

[9:51] posted at the property and

[9:53] posted at city hall exhibits 14

[9:59] through 21

[10:09] exhibit 1415 1617.

[10:10] There's a you might not be able

[10:10] to pick it up but there's

[10:12] another large tree on the left

[10:12] side behind the green tree.

[10:16] There's a brown dead tree and I

[10:17] think it's pine if I'm not

[10:20] mistaken.

[10:25] Exhibit 18, exhibit 19.

[10:35] So at 2021 case summary JULY

[10:35] 24th 2026, a follow up

[10:36] inspection was performed served

[10:37] that the property remain in

[10:39] violation.

[10:40] Notice of colbourne hearing was

[10:43] sent by us usps certified mail

[10:43] return receipt requested posted

[10:44] at the reference property and

[10:46] at city hall exhibits 22

[10:52] through 29

[11:04] 23 24, 25, 26

[11:11] supposed to be 26 27, 28.

[11:12] That's the other large tree I

[11:12] was talking about on the rear

[11:15] side of the property stop

[11:18] recommendation stop recommends

[11:19] the code enforcement board find

[11:20] the property in violation of

[11:21] one spring city ordinance 13

[11:24] dash two be 13 dash two c 13

[11:28] dash two d and city ordinance

[11:28] 9-374 to be corrected and the

[11:31] property barn to compliance on

[11:34] or before SEPTEMBER 24th 2026

[11:37] 30 days and consider imposition

[11:38] of a daily fine up to 250 per

[11:38] violation per day in the event

[11:40] the requirements of the order

[11:41] have not been met by the date

[11:42] set forth for compliance by a

[11:44] code enforcement board.

[11:45] Can you pull up the day of

[11:51] photos

[11:59] ?

[12:00] >> oh, there should be a set of

[12:08] I think 13 or 14 photos

[12:09] .

[12:13] >> so the front area the right

[12:14] away has grown significantly

[12:17] since the last inspection site

[12:21] barrier still in disarray and

[12:22] in fact even worse condition.

[12:23] And it was before tree remains

[12:25] in the front yard and that's

[12:31] starting to grow.

[12:34] >> building materials of the

[12:38] various debris still remains

[12:46] siberian still falling apart,

[12:46] pallet still remains leaning on

[12:47] the structure and other yard

[12:51] debris.

[12:58] That tree still remains

[12:58] some

[13:02] overgrowth to the rear side of

[13:06] the property yard to bring in

[13:08] the front area of the property

[13:09] .

[13:09] I think that was it.

[13:13] Okay, that concludes our

[13:13] presentation.

[13:14] >> does the board have any

[13:14] questions?

[13:16] What type of dialog have you

[13:17] had the owners?

[13:21] >> none.

[13:22] >> I actually received a return

[13:25] mail not that long ago but I

[13:26] have no communication, email or

[13:29] phone by the new owners.

[13:31] >> no new owners.

[13:32] >> did they buy this as is or

[13:35] was this under under

[13:36] construction?

[13:40] >> so I would presume as is

[13:40] since the permit can't be

[13:41] transferred over to the new

[13:41] owner unless they go through

[13:44] the same steps.

[13:51] So as of JULY I mean JUNE 15th

[13:52] ,I have to go back to that.

[13:55] As of that date when the

[13:55] ownership changed, I didn't

[13:56] cite the property right away

[13:59] just to give some time to see

[14:00] maybe the jump on something but

[14:03] nothing was moving so the new

[14:03] owners were cited

[14:03] appropriately.

[14:07] Okay.

[14:10] Was this a foreclosure?

[14:10] >> not to my understanding at

[14:11] the time.

[14:14] The original notice was given

[14:15] the owner was in process of

[14:17] still trying to get the permits

[14:18] in place for the as he were

[14:21] doing the first notice of

[14:22] violation he received as a

[14:22] separate matter.

[14:25] But it was for a expired permit

[14:26] which he ended up getting it

[14:29] issued back to him again.

[14:30] >> but then shortly after he

[14:33] sold the property.

[14:36] Is anyone living in this house?

[14:36] >> oh, no.

[14:37] Okay.

[14:37] Not that I can see.

[14:40] No.

[14:40] Okay.

[14:41] So it's not a rental?

[14:44] No, it's pretty much a

[14:45] construction site right now.

[14:49] >> it's nothing going in and

[14:50] out of that property, I

[14:50] believe.

[14:52] Anybody who wants to testify

[14:52] here would probably say the

[14:53] same.

[14:56] >> okay.

[14:57] Thank you.

[15:00] And here is there a respondent

[15:09] here for the the owner now the

[15:09] owner's not here?

[15:13] No.

[15:14] and the owner has not responded

[15:17] or accepted any of the service

[15:18] on mail?

[15:21] >> yeah, there was a return and

[15:22] I have to look for it, but

[15:22] nothing was claimed.

[15:26] >> so you haven't got any phone

[15:26] calls from the owner?

[15:29] >> no.

[15:30] The owner is g investments.

[15:30] Okay.

[15:32] Because the owner is g

[15:33] investments and we've had

[15:38] multiple cases like this in the

[15:40] past where some bank or

[15:40] investment company owns a

[15:41] property and they just don't

[15:45] respond to the bank pay for it.

[15:45] >> yeah.

[15:49] So the latest from postal

[15:52] services AUGUST 17th of 2026

[15:55] return notice it never was

[15:56] signed for it was returned back

[15:56] to sender.

[15:59] Okay.

[16:00] And we have folks that are

[16:03] willing to give testimony on

[16:03] this to the internal revenue

[16:06] service property.

[16:07] You could come up and state

[16:13] your name and address.

[16:17] What are you?

[16:20] So ellen paul I live at 1201

[16:21] street.

[16:24] I one second will help you out

[16:24] there.

[16:29] It was on this.

[16:30] Sorry about that.

[16:36] Thank you

[16:36] .

[16:37] You can fill that out after.

[16:40] Yeah.

[16:43] This has been going on for four

[16:44] years.

[16:44] Okay.

[16:47] We're going on the fifth year

[16:50] the people decided to rather

[16:55] than tear it down and build a

[16:56] new house, they decided to

[16:58] renovate.

[16:59] apparently the contractor my

[17:03] understanding was from

[17:05] clearwater they had no more

[17:06] than two people working on this

[17:09] house for two years or four

[17:09] years.

[17:13] Then it went down to one person

[17:13] and they would bring in stuff

[17:16] and they the yard was just

[17:19] piled with a dumpster and stuff

[17:20] everywhere.

[17:23] That was finally removed.

[17:27] >> as you can see, the yard is

[17:28] very unsafe.

[17:28] It's a health hazard there.

[17:32] Children in the neighborhood

[17:32] that ride their bicycles by

[17:35] going to school.

[17:35] There are rats running out of

[17:39] the house to the neighbors that

[17:39] are on that side of the street.

[17:43] They're dealing with rats.

[17:43] I'm sure the raccoon family is

[17:46] living in their maybe the

[17:46] coyotes.

[17:46] I don't know.

[17:50] But there's all kind of there

[17:54] was a dead rabbit that had been

[17:54] I think the coyote got it in

[17:55] the driveway.

[18:00] So anyway, the back of the

[18:03] house is completely open and

[18:04] it's been open for four years.

[18:07] So anything can run in and out

[18:07] of there.

[18:11] It's I'm sure people mold it

[18:11] this property.

[18:15] It just needs to be demolished

[18:15] .

[18:16] I don't know if the city can

[18:18] demolish it.

[18:22] It's awful.

[18:23] You know, I think four years is

[18:23] long enough for the neighbors

[18:26] to have to suffer looking at

[18:26] it.

[18:27] And I'm sure if it was across

[18:29] from your property you would be

[18:30] as frustrated as we are.

[18:33] So I appreciate you listening

[18:36] to my rambling, but we're just

[18:36] over this.

[18:40] Anything you can do to speed up

[18:41] the process would be greatly

[18:44] appreciated.

[18:45] Mean I'm sorry I didn't hear

[18:47] where you're dressed.

[18:48] >> are you a neighbor, I'm

[18:48] assuming.

[18:51] Yes.

[18:52] I live across the street.

[18:52] Three doors down.

[18:52] Okay.

[18:53] Thank you.

[18:55] And I'm go by it every day.

[18:59] In fact, I even walk on the

[19:00] other side of the street

[19:00] because I don't know what's

[19:02] going to come out and bite you.

[19:02] Okay.

[19:06] Thank you.

[19:06] Appreciate it.

[19:09] Is there anyone else?

[19:14] Hi, I'm paula jobe and I live

[19:16] right next door at 1217 swan.

[19:23] In their 30 years seen for

[19:24] owners come and go.

[19:24] >> now we're on the fifth.

[19:26] I understand as a builder that

[19:30] lives down the road on northern

[19:30] .

[19:33] My husband and I are very, very

[19:34] high and taking pride on

[19:34] ownership of our house and we

[19:38] try very hard to have our lawn

[19:41] and our house just so.

[19:42] >> luckily I live on the side

[19:43] where there's a hedge and a

[19:45] fence, whereas we have

[19:45] neighbors that live red cross

[19:46] straight that have to see it

[19:48] every single day.

[19:53] >> the issue is I worked or I

[19:53] know the owners of the past

[19:54] owners and I know what happened

[19:56] and I know why they sold the

[19:56] house.

[19:57] I also know that they told that

[19:58] whoever is going to buy the

[20:01] house has to demolish the

[20:01] house.

[20:01] There was extensive mold

[20:05] because for four years nobody

[20:08] lived in there and was open and

[20:09] they were sorely disappointed.

[20:10] But they certainly found the

[20:13] house quick enough to purchase

[20:14] and live away from from swan

[20:18] street.

[20:19] >> we've never my husband I've

[20:22] never had rats until recently

[20:23] and we've never had raccoons

[20:26] until recently.

[20:26] Our bird feeders are completely

[20:27] gone because of all the rats

[20:27] that come.

[20:30] We had rats nesting in our

[20:34] patio this past spring.

[20:34] >> it's just been very hard.

[20:37] Now our front lawn, which I

[20:41] think I would love to say that

[20:41] we probably have won the best

[20:42] lawns, you know, in the

[20:42] neighborhood just because my

[20:45] husband put so much time in it.

[20:46] The weeds, the seeds, the

[20:49] branches those trees have

[20:49] fallen on the fences.

[20:53] The trees have fallen from the

[20:53] front.

[20:54] And as was seen in the

[20:57] pictures, there is a actually a

[20:57] large oak tree that broke and

[20:57] fell.

[21:00] Well, there's one that's fell

[21:01] into our yard too that we had

[21:01] to take care of.

[21:04] >> so the thing is, is that

[21:05] with this new builder I was so

[21:07] happy to see that a new owner

[21:11] had come in to the scene

[21:11] because for four years we had

[21:15] to deal with the past owner and

[21:15] getting permits after permits

[21:19] after permits to extend four

[21:19] years of construction.

[21:20] That never worked out for them.

[21:22] So with the new owner back in

[21:23] JUNE that bought the house, I

[21:26] was like, oh please just mow

[21:26] the lawn.

[21:27] >> at least the old owner had a

[21:29] service that came every week to

[21:29] mow.

[21:30] >> there's nothing been done.

[21:33] And I just walked the sidewalk

[21:36] this morning and the grass is

[21:37] actually attaching itself from

[21:40] side to side over the sidewalks

[21:40] .

[21:40] And in our block right now

[21:41] they're putting a new

[21:41] sidewalks.

[21:44] They're digging out the old

[21:45] ones and putting in new ones.

[21:45] The cracked and broken.

[21:48] And I can't wait until they get

[21:49] on this side because of the

[21:49] fact that they're going to fix

[21:52] what's been broken and all the

[21:53] hopefully all the weeds and the

[21:56] bushes and the shrubs and it's

[21:56] just it's just an ongoing

[21:57] thing.

[21:59] So with a new owner, my husband

[22:00] was like, okay, great.

[22:01] >> somebody is going to do

[22:03] something.

[22:04] And it's just gotten worse.

[22:07] And with the heat and the rain

[22:08] ,it's just as you have seen in

[22:08] the pictures just so overgrown,

[22:12] so as alan said to, you know,

[22:13] if we can get this move in,

[22:16] something happening, we would

[22:16] surely appreciate it.

[22:17] Thank you for your time.

[22:17] Thank you.

[22:18] Mm hmm.

[22:32] Thank you, everybody for your

[22:36] time just to hear our concerns

[22:36] on the neighborhood.

[22:37] >> I'm delia pigott.

[22:40] I live at 1220 swan street.

[22:43] I'm directly in front of 1219.

[22:44] So I get to see this every

[22:47] single day.

[22:50] I have been in winter springs

[22:50] for five years.

[22:51] One of the things that

[22:51] attracted me to that

[22:54] neighborhood specific actually

[22:55] was just how the prior to

[22:56] ownership that we have in our

[22:59] neighborhood there was a lot of

[22:59] students, a lot of kids that

[23:00] ride their bikes.

[23:03] That was one of the things and

[23:03] of course all the trees and the

[23:06] nature around us.

[23:07] >> that's what attracted me to

[23:10] winter springs currently been

[23:11] four years going on.

[23:14] All of us have pride in our

[23:14] neighborhood.

[23:15] We all kind of compete nicely

[23:17] just to keep our best yards.

[23:21] >> we have respect for the

[23:22] trash that goes out there at

[23:25] night and for the last four

[23:25] years we have not seen any

[23:29] effort from whether it's the

[23:29] owners or the new owners to

[23:32] even match or have the minimum

[23:33] standards of the community.

[23:36] >> the other thing too is that

[23:37] it causes concerns because as

[23:40] ellen said, there's a lot of

[23:43] open places and spaces in that

[23:44] in that in that housing.

[23:47] Previously while they were

[23:48] working on it, there were a lot

[23:49] of people that were staying

[23:52] there overnight at two weeks at

[23:52] a time, three weeks and there

[23:54] were different faces coming and

[23:55] going from time to time.

[23:59] No one drove, no one had a

[23:59] license.

[24:01] They just kind of sat there for

[24:02] 2 or 3 weeks and then they

[24:02] left.

[24:03] So we have been dealing with

[24:06] this for over four years and

[24:07] we're just here in solidarity

[24:10] trying to see if we can get

[24:10] this some support done.

[24:11] Even the owners, they're not

[24:14] even here.

[24:14] We live there in the

[24:15] neighborhood and we have to

[24:15] deal with it everyday.

[24:17] So we're asking for some sort

[24:20] of resolution to get this going

[24:21] .

[24:21] Thank you for your time.

[24:24] Thank you.

[24:29] Is there anyone else wishing to

[24:31] speak?

[24:35] Okay.

[24:39] Can you confirm from carlos the

[24:40] one one did this owner take

[24:43] ownership?

[24:44] >> I think you said you think

[24:47] it was JUNE.

[24:47] JUNE 15th.

[24:54] I believe you two can

[24:59] because

[25:00] does the board have any other

[25:00] questions?

[25:00] Yes.

[25:08] Carlos carlos, what addressed

[25:08] did we send these notices to

[25:09] the new owner?

[25:12] >> I sort of registered owners

[25:18] are listed gbg investments llc

[25:18] 1215 northern way.

[25:24] Okay

[25:29] .

[25:29] Let's see.

[25:33] Inspector the photo the

[25:36] residence or at least one that

[25:36] I remember mentioned the safety

[25:39] potential safety issues.

[25:40] Is this something the city's

[25:43] got to worry about?

[25:47] >> I, I can't fathom on you

[25:47] know what ifs but I mean there

[25:50] is substantial business

[25:50] building materials out there

[25:54] lumber, metal, metals and

[25:54] everything.

[25:58] >> like she said before, the

[25:59] back is pretty much open, is

[25:59] not secured.

[26:01] Anything that was supposed to

[26:02] be there as a site barriers and

[26:02] just disarray.

[26:05] Nothing's really preventing

[26:05] anybody from going on to that

[26:06] property and venturing into it.

[26:09] >> there's no swimming pool

[26:09] though, right?

[26:10] >> nope.

[26:13] An open lot that I can no, no.

[26:14] The fact that they can go into

[26:17] that house, a child or any body

[26:20] that's to me is the safety

[26:20] issue right there.

[26:25] >> so the rear gate is ajar is

[26:27] open.

[26:28] Sometimes I see it more is open

[26:28] more than other days.

[26:30] But it's never been secured for

[26:35] a while I guess for our or our

[26:39] lawyer, our league, our legal,

[26:42] legal, legal.

[26:46] >> if this was an empty pool,

[26:47] you know, a swimming pool

[26:49] situation, we could request as

[26:50] a board to do something.

[26:53] It is.

[26:54] Does this safety thing apply in

[26:57] this case that we can do

[26:57] something?

[27:01] >> yeah, it's kind of a I would

[27:02] say kind of an edge case

[27:05] typically to have the city to

[27:06] go in and abate the property,

[27:09] it has to be pretty significant

[27:10] to find it to be like a health

[27:12] hazard.

[27:13] It usually has to be quite

[27:16] significant like a pool that is

[27:17] open that the child or someone

[27:20] could walk into and drown or

[27:21] some sort of body of water that

[27:23] is like breathing of

[27:24] mosquitoes.

[27:28] Definitely the rats and other

[27:28] vermin are, you know, an issue

[27:32] and might be a safety concern I

[27:35] suppose whether it would rise

[27:36] to that level is up to the

[27:39] board and then I'll just know

[27:39] that the city has requested to

[27:40] go in and do the abatement at

[27:43] this time if that's something

[27:43] they're looking to explore.

[27:46] >> I'll defer to them.

[27:47] okay.

[27:47] Thank you.

[27:47] Of course.

[27:53] Is that something that thanks

[27:57] to deputy chief pressley for

[27:58] the record, it's not out of the

[28:00] question.

[28:01] What we're asking for tonight

[28:02] is a finding of fact that

[28:04] they're in violation.

[28:05] There are some steps that we've

[28:06] discussed internally that we

[28:08] can take.

[28:09] But for this evening, you know,

[28:10] we're obviously requesting that

[28:13] finding of fact that some

[28:16] violation there are some things

[28:16] that takes a little more

[28:17] investigate of work to

[28:17] determine the rodents and

[28:17] things like that.

[28:21] We haven't seen any of those

[28:21] personally.

[28:25] So you know, if we can show the

[28:28] health hazard safety hazard, we

[28:28] can definitely go that route.

[28:32] But we don't feel that we have

[28:33] the evidence to support that in

[28:36] our case this evening.

[28:36] Excuse me.

[28:36] Okay.

[28:39] Excuse me.

[28:39] MAY I?

[28:39] Please.

[28:43] If we were to have a finding of

[28:47] fact, can the city go?

[28:48] Can we have the city go in and

[28:51] at least clean up?

[28:52] >> no.

[28:52] With mowing or any.

[28:52] No.

[28:54] The finding of fact is to incur

[28:55] the daily fines if they don't

[28:58] come into compliance after our

[28:58] recommended 30 days that we

[29:02] give them.

[29:03] If that's what the board does,

[29:06] this evening, we have another

[29:10] tool that you'll never see as

[29:10] an intent to remedy.

[29:14] so if we still continue to get

[29:15] no response from the property

[29:17] owner, there's a 15 day notice.

[29:21] For example, if the city's

[29:22] going to go in and mow the

[29:22] grass and clean up some of the

[29:25] junk, the construction debris,

[29:26] we can issue a 15 day notice

[29:29] post that if it's not cleaned

[29:30] up then we can go in and do

[29:33] that without any board action.

[29:37] >> if council if we have the

[29:40] pool situation and they come in

[29:44] and we're looking to to resolve

[29:48] a safety issue on such a case,

[29:48] it's in the past.

[29:52] To my recollection we've done

[29:54] that and it's that time shorter

[29:54] than that 30 days recommended.

[29:55] Hmm.

[29:58] The fact that we're speaking

[29:59] the safety concerns here, can

[30:05] we can we alter that in this

[30:06] case and be on on good footing

[30:09] to do it with a time frame less

[30:09] than 30 days?

[30:10] >> yeah, absolutely.

[30:13] You all are provided with a

[30:14] fair amount of discretion about

[30:16] the time frames and the fines.

[30:17] The time frame just has to be

[30:20] reasonable and the fine just

[30:21] can't be more than $250 per

[30:24] violation.

[30:25] But within that you have a lot

[30:25] of wiggle room.

[30:28] So if you think that less than

[30:29] 30 days is appropriate in this

[30:31] case, then then that would

[30:32] we're talking about the safety

[30:35] issues we have for violations.

[30:39] >> you can split them up if you

[30:39] want.

[30:40] It doesn't have to be the same

[30:43] time or fine for each violation

[30:43] .

[30:44] >> if you want to be more

[30:45] inclined to consider that if

[30:46] there was representation here

[30:47] for the other side on the fact

[30:48] that there's been no

[30:50] interaction.

[30:51] All right.

[30:54] That's my feeling.

[30:58] And but I personally I've heard

[30:59] enough that they're consider a

[31:03] motion of someone like the

[31:03] present one if there's no more

[31:03] questions.

[31:04] I will I do have another

[31:07] question or discussion if we

[31:07] could.

[31:08] So what would the board be

[31:11] thinking would be the time

[31:11] frame?

[31:13] I mean I'm I think just to give

[31:14] them 30 days is ridiculous when

[31:17] they have not even responded or

[31:21] actually turn their nose up at

[31:22] any violation letters that were

[31:22] sent to them.

[31:23] They're just showing that

[31:25] they're not they're not

[31:28] interested and for those

[31:29] reasons, why give them more

[31:32] time just to sit there and do

[31:33] nothing?

[31:33] I completely concur.

[31:40] Chief, how much time I how much

[31:40] time do you think it will

[31:43] actually take for somebody to

[31:44] come in to clear out those

[31:45] safety violations if if they

[31:48] were to start tomorrow, how

[31:48] much time will it take?

[31:50] >> I mean, I guess be

[31:51] determined by the size of the

[31:54] crew.

[31:58] I mean, if we take into

[32:01] consideration a cleanup crew of

[32:02] 4 or 5 people, I mean I would

[32:06] imagine you get a majority of

[32:06] it done in a day.

[32:06] >> okay.

[32:10] So then you.

[32:10] Yeah, that's what I wanted.

[32:12] That's what I needed to know.

[32:13] I needed to know from your

[32:16] perspective what a reasonable

[32:21] timeframe would be to to clean

[32:21] it up.

[32:21] Right.

[32:24] A tree crew can cut down a tree

[32:24] in a day.

[32:28] Right?

[32:32] Yeah, it would.

[32:32] Would the department be averse

[32:35] to less than 30 days?

[32:36] No, not at all.

[32:39] Okay.

[32:43] In that case, chair, I would

[32:47] move to find that based on the

[32:47] testimony, the photographs and

[32:53] the evidence that was presented

[32:53] by the officer show that there

[32:58] are in fact violations of water

[33:02] springs city ordinance 13 tach

[33:06] to subparagraph for winter

[33:09] springs city ordinance 13 tac

[33:10] to subparagraph see where

[33:13] springs city ordinance 13 tac

[33:17] two subparagraph the and what

[33:23] is spring city ordinance 9-374

[33:27] and that those sections of the

[33:28] code have been violated.

[33:31] I move that respondents be

[33:34] given until to today.

[33:35] Today is AUGUST 25th.

[33:45] Until SEPTEMBER seven.

[33:45] About that reasonable.

[33:49] Well I think that's more than

[33:49] reasonable.

[33:50] Two weeks is it two weeks.

[33:52] Yeah that's two weeks.

[33:53] Yeah.

[33:55] I thought SEPTEMBER 7th, 2002

[33:59] six to comply to comply if the

[34:03] fair in the event that the

[34:03] respondent does not correct the

[34:06] violations in the event the

[34:07] respondent fails to comply by

[34:07] that date.

[34:13] Finally, amount of 250 hours

[34:17] per day per violation shall be

[34:20] imposed shall be imposed until

[34:21] the compliance is reported and

[34:24] verified by the city's code

[34:25] enforcement to the city's code

[34:25] enforcement.

[34:29] may I ask you to make one

[34:29] liner?

[34:29] Yes.

[34:32] Can you include with that that

[34:36] in addition to the the evidence

[34:40] that there's potential safety

[34:43] issues as well, you do that?

[34:44] Yeah.

[34:45] Then let me amend that to say

[34:47] that the violations constitute

[34:51] a serious threat to the public

[34:52] health, safety and welfare.

[34:52] And in the event respondent

[34:55] does not correct the violations

[34:56] by the date of this order, code

[34:58] enforcement board MAY ask the

[34:59] city commission and the city

[35:02] commission MAY authorize the

[35:03] city to make reasonable repairs

[35:06] which are required to bring the

[35:07] company property into

[35:07] compliance and charge the

[35:10] violator with a reasonable cost

[35:11] of those repairs along with the

[35:14] fines imposed pursuant to

[35:18] chapter 162 for factors or

[35:19] whether the fine he recommended

[35:21] to be 150 gallons per day per

[35:21] violation violation.

[35:24] So that's four.

[35:25] Okay.

[35:28] All right.

[35:29] >> and I just want to point out

[35:33] for some discussion on this

[35:35] that I, I think I counted 13

[35:36] days to the monday.

[35:39] Yeah.

[35:39] Okay.

[35:43] You want to make it SEPTEMBER

[35:44] 8th and make a temporary that's

[35:44] two weeks.

[35:47] Yeah, that's two weeks.

[35:47] I think that's fair.

[35:50] That would be my suggestion.

[35:50] Okay.

[35:54] Now the only thing that I'm

[35:58] thinking about is modifying the

[35:58] motion.

[36:02] I don't know that the the three

[36:02] prohibitions are certainly

[36:06] worth the mailbox numbers.

[36:10] I don't think so much so I

[36:10] would modify it to say for that

[36:14] for that last violation for

[36:17] nine that cash dash 374 that

[36:19] that fine be $50 a day.

[36:23] I don't think we could justify

[36:24] $250 a day for somebody not

[36:25] putting numbers up.

[36:29] Mm hmm.

[36:30] I mean, do we need that second?

[36:33] We do.

[36:34] I just wanted to let any any

[36:37] discussion happen before we.

[36:38] >> well, I'll second it.

[36:40] I'll second it and then you can

[36:41] have a discussion.

[36:41] Okay.

[36:41] Yeah.

[36:44] If you want.

[36:44] Okay.

[36:44] That's that's there.

[36:45] I think.

[36:47] I think we're good.

[36:51] No further discussion.

[36:51] Tristan brockwell, please.

[36:54] We have a motion in a second.

[36:55] >> I just want to actually

[36:57] double verify the motion.

[36:58] >> so we're doing a $250 a day

[37:05] for the 313 dash two b, c and d

[37:09] and then 54 ordinance 9-374.

[37:09] Correct.

[37:09] Okay.

[37:09] Beautiful.

[37:12] And giving them until SEPTEMBER

[37:12] 8th.

[37:12] 14.

[37:13] Beautiful.

[37:13] All right.

[37:16] That totals to about $800 a

[37:17] day, if I'm not mistaken.

[37:20] >> I just wanted to make sure I

[37:21] had that all down because I was

[37:21] trying to get it while you were

[37:21] saying.

[37:22] >> yes, ma'am.

[37:22] All righty.

[37:23] Roll is chairperson gallo.

[37:27] >> I sorry.

[37:27] >> apologize, chairperson

[37:28] gilday.

[37:28] It's because I have you both

[37:31] together.

[37:31] >> I apologize.

[37:32] Hear my name?

[37:34] Chairperson gilday.

[37:34] >> all right.

[37:35] Board member gallo.

[37:39] Hi.

[37:39] Four member capra board member

[37:40] ober board member kreps.

[37:44] >> hi.

[37:44] Okay.

[37:45] That that does it mean that

[37:48] it's going to happen overnight?

[37:49] Just so you know and we don't

[37:52] know what that person is going

[37:53] to do and so it could linger

[37:56] some more but at least the ball

[37:56] is rolling.

[37:57] Hopefully that'll open some

[38:03] eyes and get things moving and

[38:03] some things will happen in your

[38:04] favor hopefully sooner than

[38:04] later.

[38:06] So all right.

[38:07] Thank you.

[38:07] Thank you for coming.

[38:07] Sorry.

[38:10] What you're going through there

[38:14] right now?

[38:16] We'll move backwards to item

[38:20] 500.

[38:20] >> good evening.

[38:21] For the record, my name is

[38:24] carlos defalco.

[38:25] Compliance with city want to

[38:30] springs bring case 2026 c00

[38:31] 0535 across the board to accept

[38:34] this presentation into evidence

[38:34] .

[38:35] Address is 530 south mass road

[38:37] for violations of city

[38:38] ordinance 20 dash four three

[38:41] for a six authorized commercial

[38:45] vehicles and residential area

[38:46] or areas sorry one two springs

[38:48] ordinance 13 dash two

[38:51] subsection b prohibitions.

[38:52] definition as presented

[38:58] definition as presented case

[38:58] summary MARCH 17th while

[38:59] investigating an inoperable

[39:03] commercial vehicle on the right

[39:03] of way of south mass road, the

[39:04] vehicle registration was

[39:06] verified to the reference

[39:06] property.

[39:07] >> I arrived at the residence

[39:08] to contact the owner but the

[39:09] property was gated from my

[39:10] position I observed another

[39:10] commercial vehicle in the

[39:16] property rear yard exhibits one

[39:17] through two MAY 5th 2026.

[39:18] A formal follow up inspection

[39:20] was performed to observe

[39:21] additional commercial vehicles

[39:21] on the property with

[39:24] accumulation of outdoor storage

[39:24] and debris.

[39:27] Courtesy notice was sent by

[39:28] usps regular first class

[39:28] mailing.

[39:29] Exhibits three through four MAY

[39:30] 11th, 2026 a courtesy notice

[39:34] was posted at the reference

[39:37] property violations remain on

[39:40] the property exhibit five I

[39:43] exhibit one at this time this

[39:44] was one vehicle and the rear

[39:50] side that vehicle to this day

[39:51] has remained in that position

[39:57] in that condition exhibit

[39:58] three.

[40:02] MAY 5th we see three commercial

[40:02] vehicles one obviously the

[40:05] drive the driveway is being

[40:08] utilized on the rear has a

[40:09] second vehicle which has been

[40:13] there since the time of this

[40:13] photo.

[40:14] So now we have two remaining

[40:17] commercial vehicles on the

[40:17] property at all times minus the

[40:20] one in the driveway.

[40:23] There's some accumulation

[40:24] beyond the carport area.

[40:28] There is some mangled metals,

[40:30] cinderblocks, tires just stays

[40:36] underneath the tree under

[40:37] exhibit five, not really good

[40:41] shot, but you still see the two

[40:41] vehicles there just pan off to

[40:44] the right side of the first

[40:44] vehicle.

[40:45] You'll see the the box of the

[40:47] other vehicle on JUNE 9th,

[40:47] 2026.

[40:48] >> a follow up inspection was

[40:51] performed verified violations

[40:51] remain on the property and also

[40:52] violation was sent by usps

[40:55] certified mailing with return

[40:55] receipt requested posted at the

[40:59] property in a city hall

[41:02] exhibits 6 to 7 JUNE 30th,

[41:02] 2026.

[41:03] A follow up inspection was

[41:03] performed to verify the

[41:05] violations remain on the

[41:08] property exhibits eight JULY

[41:09] 24th 2026 a notice of hearing

[41:12] was sent by usps certified

[41:12] malware return receipt

[41:13] requested posted at the

[41:14] property near city hall

[41:15] violation remains on the

[41:18] property exhibits nine through

[41:28] 13 exhibit six exhibit seven

[41:28] exhibit eight.

[41:31] Now we have a third vehicle

[41:32] panned off to the left hand

[41:36] side I believe I can't see from

[41:38] here but I believe this slide

[41:39] is from JUNE 3rd and this one

[41:42] is from JULY 24th.

[41:46] So that vehicle still remains

[41:49] it appears the debris have been

[41:49] either removed or relocated.

[41:53] There are some missing at the

[41:54] time from the first initial

[41:54] inspection, but the rest

[41:57] remains.

[42:01] I did notice some multiple or

[42:02] canisters or propane tanks.

[42:02] I can't tell exactly what they

[42:04] MAY be.

[42:05] They're off by the carport

[42:05] area.

[42:08] There's additional two right

[42:09] there, including that red one.

[42:12] The fence was observed after

[42:13] the fact so I did not cite them

[42:16] for that.

[42:17] But in the near future of that

[42:18] still remains that it's a whole

[42:20] different case right there.

[42:23] Notice of hearing and staff

[42:27] recommendation and staff

[42:27] recommends the code enforcement

[42:28] board find the property in

[42:31] violation of city ordinance 20

[42:33] dash 434 and city ordinance 13

[42:34] dash two b to be corrected in a

[42:35] property brought to compliance

[42:38] on or before SEPTEMBER 24th

[42:38] 2026 30 days and consider

[42:41] imposition of a daily fine of

[42:42] 250 per violation per day and

[42:45] then event the requirements of

[42:46] the order to have not been met

[42:47] by the date set for compliance

[42:50] by the code enforcement board.

[42:51] >> can you pull up the data for

[42:56] photos please?

[43:00] >> so this was taken this

[43:00] morning.

[43:07] The vehicle has to right there

[43:08] and those canisters or tanks

[43:14] are still there.

[43:20] So there

[43:21] they appear as they

[43:25] try to organize that space with

[43:25] the accumulation.

[43:27] But we still got car parts and

[43:32] other stuff there.

[43:35] Yard debris was noticed after

[43:35] the initial inspection, but

[43:37] that has been there for about I

[43:40] think 2 or 3 weeks now.

[43:41] >> now it's very hard to see

[43:44] what in between the building

[43:45] and the tree.

[43:46] I can't tell if that's a

[43:46] commercial vehicle or an

[43:49] enclosed trailer, but at the

[43:50] height of it I'm going to

[43:52] assume as a commercial vehicle

[43:53] it's right in that area where

[43:54] she's circling at.

[43:59] But again, I can only speculate

[44:04] and that's it.

[44:04] >> that concludes our

[44:05] presentation.

[44:05] Do you have any questions?

[44:08] What kind of dialog?

[44:09] >> I had one and it was a

[44:12] relative of the owner.

[44:13] >> it was a son who advised

[44:15] that they were away I believe

[44:16] was vacation.

[44:19] I'm not too sure they needed

[44:20] some time so they was given an

[44:23] extension and they said he was

[44:24] going to clear everything up.

[44:25] I did notify them about the

[44:27] commercial vehicles being a

[44:27] violation.

[44:28] I guess it was some sort of

[44:31] business that they had at one

[44:32] time or another.

[44:33] I'm not too sure they said he

[44:35] was taking they will take care

[44:35] of it.

[44:36] But obviously as of today is

[44:38] still has not been moved.

[44:39] So and that's the only

[44:42] communication I've had since

[44:43] because is that the property is

[44:46] occupied.

[44:47] Yeah.

[44:47] All right.

[44:47] Looks like it's occupied

[44:49] residentially not it's not a

[44:50] business they're running out of

[44:50] there.

[44:51] >> I have not seen any

[44:53] advertising as a business.

[44:57] I can only assume maybe

[44:57] delivery services or something.

[44:58] But that is being as a

[45:01] residential property for a

[45:02] living.

[45:04] >> okay.

[45:05] >> when did you talk with that

[45:05] relative?

[45:08] What?

[45:09] >> that was back in JUNE, if

[45:09] i'm not mistaken.

[45:12] I will have to look at my notes

[45:12] .

[45:13] >> okay.

[45:14] I think it was the beginning of

[45:16] the beginning or mid-JUNE and I

[45:17] think an extra 2 or 3 weeks was

[45:20] given to them.

[45:20] Okay.

[45:21] And that has not been no

[45:23] changes whatsoever from there.

[45:26] >> okay.

[45:30] Questions.

[45:34] No respondents here.

[45:35] Anything down from you folks as

[45:38] you guys can expect?

[45:39] Who's asking for respect?

[45:41] Is there a respondent present?

[45:48] >> not that I can tell from

[45:50] what I know.

[45:53] Question no questions.

[45:54] >> if somebody wants to present

[45:57] a motion I do have a question.

[45:57] I'm sorry.

[45:57] Go ahead.

[46:00] You said there were checks.

[46:01] >> I guess they are propane

[46:01] tanks.

[46:02] Okay.

[46:05] Yeah, I was so even know that

[46:06] right now I don't know exactly

[46:07] the use of I'm allowed to have

[46:08] them so that's consider outdoor

[46:09] storage is no different from a

[46:11] previous case we have one over

[46:12] now they're storing multiple.

[46:15] I don't know if that's

[46:16] pertaining to their business if

[46:19] they have a business but the

[46:20] first time I made observation

[46:22] on it I did not see one and

[46:23] then a second inspection I saw

[46:24] multiple so I don't exactly

[46:27] know the use for them.

[46:27] I don't know if it's personal.

[46:28] I don't know if it's commercial

[46:29] for the business.

[46:33] I don't know.

[46:34] Just out of curiosity, can you

[46:38] look up to see if there's a

[46:38] business permit for 530

[46:44] southwest road

[46:45] ?

[46:45] Unfortunately cannot because I

[46:46] don't have access to our

[46:46] business license.

[46:49] I don't have it off the civic

[46:49] portal.

[46:50] >> not on this computer,

[46:50] unfortunately.

[46:51] Okay.

[46:56] >> maybe your deputy chief

[46:56] presley might have that

[46:56] information if needed.

[47:03] >> he's about to walk in.

[47:06] And welcome to our city clerk.

[47:11] >> I'm sorry I did not hear the

[47:11] question.

[47:12] >> so the question was do you

[47:15] is there any way we know if

[47:16] there is a business permit are

[47:19] licensed at 530 south mass road

[47:23] so he's want to know if you

[47:23] have the ability go in and go

[47:24] can you go with this that

[47:29] donation in a btr yeah your

[47:32] yeah I apologize for the

[47:33] residential one that you can

[47:34] look up from this computer I

[47:36] only see permit so I apologize

[47:37] on that.

[47:37] >> apologize no.

[47:40] Where is to get you some kind

[47:41] of we need to get you

[47:41] connectivity to the city.

[47:48] >> yeah if you

[48:00] if the court

[48:00] doesn't mind.

[48:01] >> can I also ask a question of

[48:04] the city?

[48:05] >> so I just wanted to clarify

[48:08] about the commercial vehicles

[48:08] is the main issue that there's

[48:12] multiple on the property or are

[48:13] they do they fall into what are

[48:13] the categories that are like

[48:14] too large to be at a

[48:16] residential property?

[48:16] Both I think they're just

[48:17] storing multiple even having

[48:20] just one I think exceeds the

[48:20] size.

[48:21] >> gotcha.

[48:21] Okay.

[48:27] Thanks

[48:31] .

[48:35] In answer to for you, you did

[48:38] stated just that you you only

[48:38] had one conversation and that

[48:42] was not with the owner but with

[48:43] the owner's son.

[48:43] Correct.

[48:46] Okay.

[48:48] So okay.

[48:54] Thank you

[49:14] .

[49:15] >> any attempts to contact you

[49:19] the to clarify any of this if

[49:22] they have tried to reach out to

[49:22] me and leave a voicemail, then

[49:25] I would assume not only one

[49:26] time I had a conversation with

[49:26] them.

[49:27] Okay.

[49:29] Thank you.

[49:30] I do not see a vtr for that.

[49:31] Thank you.

[49:32] Thank you.

[49:39] Anything else

[49:41] you can keep it?

[49:41] Yeah.

[49:45] I'm trying to think of a time

[49:51] frame

[49:53] .

[49:54] There wasn't much

[49:54] communication.

[49:57] It's been since mid-JUNE and

[50:05] this is a new case

[50:07] .

[50:08] Correct.

[50:08] Off the couch?

[50:10] Yeah.

[50:11] I would still be in 30 days.

[50:14] Yeah, I would do.

[50:15] This is not a big deal.

[50:16] Yeah.

[50:16] All right.

[50:19] And his place, it's thought

[50:20] that would be something.

[50:20] yeah.

[50:26] Um, okay, so I move to find

[50:29] that the photographs and

[50:30] testimony from officer dafoe

[50:34] show there are in fact findings

[50:37] that the respondent at 530

[50:41] south morse road is in

[50:41] violation of winter springs

[50:45] city ordinance 20 dash four

[50:47] three subsection a six and

[50:51] winter springs city ordinance

[50:57] 13 dash two subsection be of

[50:58] the city code I move can you

[51:01] just restate the ordinance

[51:02] number for that first one the

[51:02] commercial vehicles.

[51:04] Yeah.

[51:04] Ordinance resetting winter

[51:08] springs city ordinance 20 dash

[51:11] 434 subsection a six.

[51:11] Correct.

[51:12] Yeah that's good.

[51:12] Okay.

[51:12] Yeah.

[51:15] Thank you.

[51:16] I move to order that the

[51:27] respondent be given until the

[51:28] SEPTEMBER 24th 2026 to correct

[51:32] the violation in the event that

[51:33] respondent fails to comply by

[51:36] this date a fine in the amount

[51:42] of $100 per day shall be

[51:46] imposed per violation until

[51:49] compliance is reported to and

[51:50] verified by city code

[51:57] enforcement 100 I would second

[51:57] that motion.

[51:58] Okay.

[52:01] Any discussion?

[52:01] Okay.

[52:04] Roll call.

[52:05] Chairperson gilday all right.

[52:09] Or member gallo I form keppra I

[52:09] for member of bear.

[52:09] All right.

[52:14] Board member krebbs okay.

[52:18] All right.

[52:22] Come.

[52:23] That brings us to the end of

[52:26] hearing some cases where there

[52:30] is there any other information

[52:30] detail questions, comments,

[52:31] concerns.

[52:31] Yes, sir.

[52:33] Go ahead.

[52:37] At the last two commission

[52:38] meetings there has been

[52:41] discussion about the

[52:42] appointment of a special

[52:45] magistrate to replace the code

[52:49] enforcement board at a cost to

[52:51] the city of approximately

[52:52] $10,000 per year.

[52:52] That was the amount that they

[52:55] claim to.

[52:59] We've been through this before

[53:02] during my tenure and personally

[53:06] and I'm not saying this because

[53:07] I'm a member of this code board

[53:10] and have been for a number of

[53:10] years.

[53:11] But I'm saying it because there

[53:14] is a tremendous difference

[53:16] between a special magistrate

[53:20] and a code board.

[53:21] This code board serves

[53:24] voluntarily and we've volunteer

[53:25] because we take pride in this

[53:28] community and we have a love

[53:29] for this city and we're not out

[53:32] to punish people.

[53:33] We're out to educate people and

[53:35] to help bring people back into

[53:36] compliance.

[53:36] There have been many, many

[53:40] times when people have come

[53:43] before this board with

[53:44] difficulties and we've given

[53:48] them extended opportunities to

[53:51] correct violations and we've

[53:52] bent over backwards and gone

[53:55] out of our way to help people

[53:59] at times there MAY seem to be

[54:02] disparities in how we assess

[54:07] fines and how we do things, but

[54:10] there is always thought and

[54:11] fortitude in our decision

[54:13] making.

[54:14] We take many, many we take

[54:17] multiple factors into

[54:20] consideration including

[54:21] cooperation with the code

[54:25] enforcement debater, including

[54:28] how people present themselves,

[54:29] including the attitude that

[54:32] they come to or that they don't

[54:32] even show up to the board.

[54:33] Correct.

[54:36] So all of these factors become

[54:41] part of how we assess fines.

[54:44] I don't know that any special

[54:44] magistrate would have the

[54:48] compassion that we do towards

[54:48] our fellow citizens.

[54:52] I don't know that they come to

[54:53] this with the same concern

[54:56] caring that we do.

[54:57] We come here as volunteers

[54:59] because we love the community.

[54:59] Special magistrate is getting

[55:03] paid to do a job and I know

[55:06] that there have been concerns

[55:10] that for for our personal

[55:14] safety that perhaps a

[55:14] respondent would try to

[55:18] retaliate and take action

[55:20] against us in the many, many

[55:21] years and I've been sitting on

[55:25] this board, I completed nine

[55:25] full years.

[55:29] I was off for a year and now

[55:29] I'm back on again.

[55:32] So in the 11 years that I've

[55:33] been sitting on this board, I

[55:35] have never once been threatened

[55:38] or felt intimidated by any

[55:39] respondent.

[55:43] So I think I, I really believe

[55:46] that this board should take a

[55:50] vote should take a vote and to

[55:51] stay in a stance to encourage

[55:54] the city to maintain the code

[55:57] enforcement board in lieu of a

[55:57] special magistrate.

[56:01] And I would make that a motion.

[56:05] It is if this board so desires

[56:05] .

[56:06] Let's do it as a motion and

[56:06] make it official.

[56:08] Yeah, but before we do that,

[56:12] before we do that, I would ask

[56:12] chief pressley what the

[56:19] department's viewpoint is.

[56:20] >> that's hard for them because

[56:23] it's going yeah, yeah, I have

[56:24] no I mean I obviously have an

[56:25] opinion but it's not my

[56:27] decision.

[56:28] This topic has come up in the

[56:31] past with most of the members

[56:32] on this board.

[56:34] You know when there were rumors

[56:35] or discussions about going to a

[56:38] special magistrate.

[56:39] Safety is a concern.

[56:43] I mean, I'm a police officer

[56:43] and a police officer for almost

[56:43] 31 years.

[56:46] There's cases around the

[56:47] country where, you know, board

[56:50] members of all different types

[56:51] of boards have been hurt and

[56:54] and you know, I don't think me

[56:57] personally it's not an issue of

[56:57] any unfairness.

[57:01] There's some potential

[57:02] efficiency things that might

[57:05] make it a little more efficient

[57:06] if it's during business hours

[57:08] for city staff.

[57:09] You know, that's kind of my

[57:09] take on it.

[57:12] But ultimately at the end of

[57:13] the day it's not my decision.

[57:14] You know, it's the

[57:16] commissioner's decision.

[57:17] So we we we and I appreciate

[57:18] your opinion.

[57:21] I mean, I, I really do and I

[57:21] thank you for it.

[57:25] I thank you also for all the

[57:25] hard work that you do on your

[57:26] behalf.

[57:26] >> sure.

[57:28] And we'll continue to do that

[57:31] regardless of, you know and you

[57:32] know, you talk about being

[57:35] compassionate and I mean, I

[57:40] can't express enough of what my

[57:44] staff does before it even gets

[57:44] here today.

[57:47] I mean, there's so many chances

[57:47] .

[57:48] We're so accommodating and

[57:52] obviously regardless of the

[57:52] outcome, we'll continue to do

[57:56] that for sure.

[57:56] >> absolutely.

[57:57] We we know we know that even in

[58:00] law enforcement, the chief's

[58:02] position has always been I'm

[58:03] not here to punish.

[58:03] I'm here to educate.

[58:04] Sure, it's the same thing with

[58:07] the traffic stop.

[58:07] Somebody gets stopped.

[58:08] It's not to punish them.

[58:11] It's to educate them as to what

[58:11] goes on.

[58:12] Sometimes if fine is necessary,

[58:15] sure.

[58:15] But I don't know that the

[58:19] special magistrate would would

[58:19] come with the same kinds of

[58:20] concerns.

[58:22] So you know, if I would make a

[58:23] motion that this board

[58:26] officially request from the

[58:29] city commission that we

[58:30] continue as a board and that

[58:34] any ideas of a special

[58:34] magistrate be dropped.

[58:36] I was second that.

[58:36] All right.

[58:40] A discussion discussion,

[58:40] please.

[58:44] I, I, I totally agree with you.

[58:45] But I think when you send that

[58:45] to a commission, you need to

[58:48] send the reasons why we believe

[58:48] that.

[58:51] I mean, you know, you can sit

[58:52] up here with a robot and say I

[58:55] and that's what you're going to

[58:55] get.

[58:56] You know, here you get people

[58:59] who listen to whatever is

[58:59] happening even in someone's

[59:02] life.

[59:02] I mean, you know, there's a lot

[59:06] of different things and

[59:06] sometimes and we've even had

[59:07] people who are in the process

[59:10] of of reaching compliance but

[59:11] they're not there yet when they

[59:13] come here.

[59:14] I mean, what do you do?

[59:17] You say, well, you know, so I

[59:21] yeah, I think we should have a

[59:21] explanation and there yeah as

[59:25] well I, I agree with

[59:25] commissioner krebs.

[59:29] I and I, I think I'm speaking

[59:29] for myself.

[59:33] I would be very comfortable

[59:34] with rabbi caprio speaking to

[59:37] the commission and giving them

[59:38] the results of our vote because

[59:40] everything you said I totally

[59:41] agree with and I couldn't say

[59:44] it any better than what you

[59:44] just said yourself.

[59:45] That's true.

[59:48] So that would that would be my

[59:48] request.

[59:51] I agree and I will happily do

[59:51] that.

[59:55] In fact, public performances

[59:55] for public disclosure.

[59:56] I have a meeting with the city

[59:59] manager tomorrow morning and

[59:59] discuss this very topic.

[1:00:00] Okay, good.

[1:00:03] Thank I am this issue reared

[1:00:07] its head a few times and I know

[1:00:10] the last time it was driven

[1:00:11] specifically by one of the

[1:00:13] commissioners I don't know if

[1:00:14] more have gotten hold or

[1:00:17] whatnot, but um, I, I concur

[1:00:20] with the reasons that you have

[1:00:21] stated here and that that's I

[1:00:25] think the crux of why I feel I

[1:00:28] mean the way I do it's quite

[1:00:32] frankly if we're going to have

[1:00:33] the cases that people are just

[1:00:37] going to blow it off and

[1:00:37] totally get a wake up call, you

[1:00:40] know what?

[1:00:41] Maybe maybe it's your team or

[1:00:43] you talking to them and

[1:00:44] sometimes they end up here

[1:00:45] because they want to listen to

[1:00:48] that and just get in here is

[1:00:48] like I MISS A lot of money.

[1:00:51] Maybe I better get going.

[1:00:52] Sometimes the ones that don't

[1:00:54] show up, it's going to take

[1:00:55] take the fine to get going.

[1:00:59] Yeah, but there's an awful lot

[1:01:00] of folks that do come here that

[1:01:03] yes, that I think it's not that

[1:01:04] they're trying to get away with

[1:01:06] something.

[1:01:07] I'm trying to blow both of you

[1:01:07] guys off.

[1:01:10] How many how many cases just on

[1:01:10] insurance alone have we heard

[1:01:11] over the years?

[1:01:13] Sure.

[1:01:17] I mean you pick a reason we we

[1:01:18] we we seem to have heard it and

[1:01:21] I think you're going to MISS A

[1:01:22] lot of that where compassion

[1:01:24] does have a role that's going

[1:01:25] to be out the window with the

[1:01:25] magistrate.

[1:01:29] But I remember the one lady

[1:01:33] that we had the elderly woman

[1:01:33] that I mean, she ran out of

[1:01:33] money.

[1:01:36] Yes.

[1:01:37] Probably living off the social

[1:01:39] security and she just asked can

[1:01:40] I just, you know, wait till I

[1:01:43] get my money here to finish

[1:01:44] what she had?

[1:01:44] I mean, what how would a

[1:01:45] magistrate treat that?

[1:01:48] I don't know.

[1:01:51] >> we do have a motion in a

[1:01:51] second on the facts, right?

[1:01:52] Yeah.

[1:01:53] If didn't mean to do an

[1:01:54] official vote and my

[1:01:55] understanding is that the

[1:01:55] motion is to request the

[1:01:59] commission to consider keeping

[1:01:59] the board as a code board and

[1:02:00] not a special magistrate.

[1:02:03] >> correct?

[1:02:03] >> correct.

[1:02:03] Okay.

[1:02:04] So okay with me doing a vote

[1:02:06] now, are you with one more

[1:02:07] thing is that the we the motion

[1:02:10] is to have rabbi capra take

[1:02:14] that personally to the

[1:02:14] commission.

[1:02:14] Okay.

[1:02:15] And then the city manager.

[1:02:18] Yeah.

[1:02:18] >> representing our the board

[1:02:18] here.

[1:02:19] Okay.

[1:02:22] So you want me to include as

[1:02:23] for morris carper to be

[1:02:25] representative of the boards

[1:02:25] voice sort of situation.

[1:02:26] >> okay.

[1:02:29] If I can add that onto that.

[1:02:30] >> well yeah, that would be my

[1:02:30] I guess my additions to my

[1:02:33] amendment here.

[1:02:33] >> that's what I'll do as an

[1:02:37] official role call for the

[1:02:37] record, please.

[1:02:37] Please.

[1:02:41] Chairperson gill do I or I

[1:02:41] gallo I remember keppra a board

[1:02:44] member ober all right.

[1:02:45] >> more member reps by

[1:02:47] unanimous.

[1:02:48] Okay.

[1:02:50] One more piece of business.

[1:02:54] Go ahead, please.

[1:02:54] >> she personally while you're

[1:02:57] there, I understand you might

[1:03:01] be getting close to retirement

[1:03:05] and I just wanted to personally

[1:03:08] say thank you for your 30 plus

[1:03:08] years of service to the

[1:03:09] community.

[1:03:12] Every time I see you or hear

[1:03:13] you, I learn something new.

[1:03:16] You're you're fair.

[1:03:20] You are everything I would want

[1:03:20] a law enforcement officer to

[1:03:20] be.

[1:03:24] so I just want to say thank you

[1:03:24] and thank you to your wonderful

[1:03:25] staff.

[1:03:28] There are some and you will be

[1:03:28] truly missed.

[1:03:31] Thank you, art.

[1:03:31] Not yet.

[1:03:35] It's not a rumor.

[1:03:36] I will be retiring mid OCTOBER

[1:03:39] after almost 31 years with the

[1:03:39] winter springs police

[1:03:40] department.

[1:03:43] My wife and I are very excited

[1:03:44] about that and thank you very

[1:03:46] much for those very kind words

[1:03:46] and I really appreciate it and

[1:03:47] I appreciate all the support

[1:03:50] not just to you but all the

[1:03:51] members through the years that

[1:03:54] are on this board that have

[1:03:54] supported the police

[1:03:55] department.

[1:03:55] Can't do it without you guys.

[1:03:58] Well, mid-OCTOBER 3032 that

[1:03:58] I'll be here.

[1:04:04] >> yeah, you sound like my boss

[1:04:04] .

[1:04:06] Okay.

[1:04:10] Thank you.

[1:04:11] We don't need a roll call.

[1:04:11] Your your awesome.

[1:04:12] Yeah.

[1:04:14] So okay, so anything else?

[1:04:15] I'm sorry.

[1:04:18] Yeah.

[1:04:18] Okay.

[1:04:21] And I will say that to our new

[1:04:21] city clerk.

[1:04:26] I we had to send the people

[1:04:26] home tonight.

[1:04:29] So aaron, I had several dancers

[1:04:32] and people come in and get

[1:04:33] ready, so we'll try to see if

[1:04:34] we can get them back next time.

[1:04:36] But but welcome aboard.

[1:04:39] And we're happy to be working

[1:04:39] with you.

[1:04:40] >> I do have one more thing to

[1:04:43] go ahead, please.

[1:04:44] For those of you who are not

[1:04:47] aware a icon in the city has

[1:04:50] passed and that would be susie

[1:04:50] coffman.

[1:04:51] >> can I can I ask you to

[1:04:52] repeat that?

[1:04:55] I didn't hear you and I said an

[1:04:55] icon of the city past.

[1:04:58] Okay.

[1:04:58] Susie coffman.

[1:04:59] Okay.

[1:05:05] And she actually began the the

[1:05:06] the senior center that building

[1:05:09] was just last year named after

[1:05:10] her.

[1:05:13] There's a room in there.

[1:05:16] Her husband was very active

[1:05:16] also.

[1:05:21] And so we we really lost a

[1:05:21] legend in a place.

[1:05:22] And for those who don't know

[1:05:24] dolly parton died.

[1:05:29] Yeah she did and anything else

[1:05:33] now that's okay note to end on

[1:05:35] an all right this regular code

[1:05:36] enforcement meeting board

[1:05:39] meeting is now adjourned.

[1:05:40] Thank you.

[1:05:46] Thanks all

Code Enforcement Board

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