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[1:58] good there good night everyone like the call the meeting to order it's 7:00 we

[2:04] only have one item on the agenda tonight it's 4.1 RCMP general duty police

[2:10] resource model presentation and giving that

[2:13] presentation tonight is Sergeant Jeff Leah from the Matan RCMP Detachment and

[2:19] David corham the business analyst H division RCMP

[2:24] operations strategic strategy Branch also in the

[2:28] room we have Haley sorry if I say it

[2:34] wrong executive director for Public Safety and Security division of the Nova

[2:39] Scotia Department of Justice and we also have Danielle deard

[2:43] RCMP Leon to Nova Scotia Department of Justice and I can hand it over we

[2:50] basically just have the one item and questions and comments from the public

[2:54] after for any questions on the report that we'll be receiving tonight all

[2:59] yours all right I just want to say thanks

[3:02] everybody for showing up on this uh bad weather day and uh for this important

[3:08] meeting um again I uh this is a meeting for present resources discussing our

[3:16] present resources that we have at the Matan Detachment and to uh service the

[3:22] area of Clare all right

[3:26] so first we're going to be discussing what's called called the gdpm that's a

[3:31] general duty policing resource model um that's the study that we do to see if

[3:37] we're at the current levels that we should be or are we under or over right

[3:44] so that's what the gdpm stands for um why are we here so we are here because

[3:53] last year the RCM completed a general duty policing resource model review for

[4:00] the Matan Detachment so we all know that the Matan Detachment in the Matan area

[4:06] has had uh significant events throughout the last four years that I've been

[4:12] present um this is geared towards not those

[4:19] specific individual incidents but are we at a level that's equivalent to answer

[4:25] calls for service for the day-to-day business to be done

[4:30] right and this is what the gdpm is looking

[4:35] at a gdpm analyzes the general duty workload of a Detachment for an average

[4:41] year with the goal of determining whether the Detachment is resourced

[4:46] appropriately to meet the workload demands so basically what I just said

[4:52] right um the gdpm is one of the many tools that are

[4:58] used by the RCMP to recommend resource levels in a specific

[5:05] Detachment our current establishment what we have at the Matan

[5:10] Detachment right now is seven members strong so the minity of CLA funds seven

[5:18] members for the Matan RCMP Detachment that's what we have currently that's one

[5:24] Sergeant myself as the Detachment Commander I have a subordinate one

[5:28] corporal who supervises are five constables that

[5:34] they're there to answer calls for service right but uh as you see we all

[5:39] partake in that answering those calls for service

[5:43] right this does not include specialized teams such as the Emergency Response

[5:48] Team the police dog service forensic identification major crime which are all

[5:54] available to assist the Matan RCMP if needed and we've all seen those in

[6:00] conjunction all at once or Here There and Everywhere

[6:05] right the gdpm shows that the Matan Detachment is experiencing an increase

[6:11] in the types of occurrences that require additional workload to

[6:19] investigate these occurrences types include mental health

[6:24] assaults threats mischief and breaking ners these are all the data day calls

[6:30] for service that we have routinely right the GD GD PRM simulation shows

[6:39] that due to the increased workload the current level of the general duty

[6:45] resources in the Matan Detachment no longer meets the RCMP standard so we're

[6:51] not at that threshold that's we should be at right the the

[6:58] risk now meeting these standards can lead to a reduce Service delivery reduce

[7:04] Community engagement and increase member burnout so we're taking on more

[7:11] investigational files calls for service than what we should be at that level

[7:18] that's been determined

[7:22] right in October 2024 the RCMP and the Department of Justice met with Council

[7:29] here at this building to review the results of the

[7:33] gdpm and to present recommendations and options that were

[7:39] available these options included recommendations to increase the funded

[7:44] establishment of the mean RCMP by additional one to three

[7:49] members the options presented would allow the Matan RCMP to meet the needs

[7:55] of the community by increasing RCMP presence through additional patrols

[8:00] increase Community engagement and reducing weight

[8:05] times to properly conduct investigations so we've seen in my four

[8:11] years that I've been here first starting off from

[8:17] today I can see that four years ago a typical let's say assault file we would

[8:25] take that amount of time that was typical of what I when I started 20

[8:32] years ago now at my office it drags on because we're we're taking on those

[8:37] investigation plus more trying to tackle all of them at the same time creates

[8:43] that distance and that longevity right gdpm

[8:50] results oh okay so those are the results that we're looking at that's what we're

[8:56] we presented back in November we're here going to have another in I

[9:04] guess discussion in camera about what we can do to rectify that

[9:12] discrepancy and uh I'm happy to be here and answer any questions that uh anyone

[9:20] has perfect thank you very much Mr go for sorry I don't don't don't want to

[9:26] jump in front of everyone but um just a quick I'm thinking more so for those

[9:30] counselors who weren't at that meeting or perhaps the for the benefit of the

[9:33] folks in the room here tonight if you could either yourself or David could

[9:36] speak to a bit of the information that goes into the gprm the data that is

[9:40] collected and analyzed without going into the details necessarily but just

[9:45] kind of a a holistic view of what type of information is is tracked

[9:52] to yeah so I'll be happy to speak to that so uh the GD PRM essentially what

[9:56] it does is it uh it takes the workload that's created by the occurrences that

[10:01] are happening within a Detachment or district and it Compares it versus the

[10:04] resource levels that are available to the Detachment so when we're talking

[10:07] about workload of occurrences um typically the type of reporting that you

[10:11] would see on a regular basis from Jeff with council is it's occurrence counts

[10:15] so how many of this how many of this happened the gdpr goes into a much

[10:19] deeper analysis of that because it understands that uh there are types of

[10:23] occurrences that cause more workload than other types of occurrences so if

[10:27] you have a a a speedy violation a traffic ticket there's a certain amount

[10:32] of workload that goes into that type of file versus a sexual assault which would

[10:36] have a much longer uh workload hours Associated to it so what it will what

[10:42] we'll do is we take the actual occurrences that happen in Meagan

[10:44] Detachment for an average year and we determine how many workload hours down

[10:50] to the minute of work was created by those

[10:54] occurrences the other thing we take a look at is average travel times so how

[10:58] long does it take the member to get on scene so we'll take that occurrence

[11:02] workload time and that travel workload time and basically combine it together

[11:06] to create a total workload from there we'll take a look at how many members

[11:12] are there working in the Detachment that are able to respond to calls for service

[11:15] and essentially I'll even go into looking at their schedule to see when

[11:19] when were the members available at what time and then from there what happens is

[11:23] is I take all of that workload and I compare it versus how

[11:28] many resources hours were available to respond to those calls for service at

[11:32] the end of it what we're looking for is a certain level of what we call

[11:36] Proactive availability so there needs to be a certain amount of time left over

[11:41] that the members have to do proactive policing so if you think about your

[11:47] schedule on a day-to-day basis um if you if your outlook Calendar was full from

[11:52] the minute you walked in the door till the minute you walked out of the door

[11:55] you're not going to get a whole lot of extras accomplished so what's happening

[11:59] is is when I'm looking at that occurrent workload uh what we're talking about is

[12:03] the must does so if a call for service comes in the members must respond they

[12:08] have to do an initial investigation they'll have to do any follow-up that's

[12:10] required any Court work any disposition work any administrative work that's F

[12:15] responsible for that occurrence they have to do it it's part of their

[12:18] mandate the proactive work comes from once all of that work is done what can

[12:23] we do as far as driving Community engagement so it it can be something as

[12:27] simple as checkpoints so check stops right a check stop is a nice Todo it's

[12:31] not a have too so how much time once all of the work is done that has to be done

[12:36] is there left over for the members to respond and there's a certain Benchmark

[12:41] that we're looking for there and so through the gdpm if we're not looking if

[12:45] we're not meeting that threshold then the simulations can be run to

[12:49] show how many additional resources would be required in order to meet that

[12:53] threshold

[13:00] so I don't know if there's any questions or comments from any of the counselors

[13:05] yeah just to follow up on that so in the report what did the uh proactive

[13:10] availability look

[13:14] like I mean come General it doesn't have

[13:21] well we'll probably get into that more in detail in camera but uh the

[13:26] recommendations that commot of the report were were options for an increase

[13:29] inrease of one to three members right

[13:36] yeah any other Council Devo would would uh like it's not a

[13:45] secret of course that that nights uh the members are I'm going to say home or

[13:50] whoever uh boots off uh would would having members during the night like all

[13:58] night being option or or not really well coverage hours and stuff

[14:06] that's basically what we're here to discuss right so if we want longer

[14:12] coverages we're going to need more members to do that and we can do that

[14:16] with additional service additional members

[14:22] right go events Mercy uh speaking to you're saying that there's an increase

[14:28] in different FES that you know 20 years ago we didn't have as many so like

[14:32] sexual assaults and things like that are there any types of community

[14:37] services that could be complimentary to the police services so seeing that yes

[14:41] maybe we do need more members in a at them taken Detachment but is there any

[14:46] any other services that we could offer that could help maybe reduce the number

[14:49] of those files so the calls for service that are

[14:54] looking at for this gdpm are calls for service for the police

[14:59] right so it's not the the the nice to do basically um the one-offs where you're

[15:07] questioning we still have to respond to mental health calls which takes a lot of

[15:12] our time which can be discussed if it's actually

[15:17] a police response or not but at this point in time that's all we have and we

[15:22] have to respond right so that's what it entails yeah I just to add to that I

[15:28] think are some options uh that there are certain programs that could alleviate

[15:34] some of the workload from the police but ultimately if there is if those

[15:39] resources are under are resourced or if there's a lack of those resources the

[15:43] RCMP has to respond so uh mental health is is it's the number one workload

[15:48] driver in Matan and it's the number one workload driver almost across the

[15:52] province um so is there the ability to potentially reduce some of that

[15:57] absolutely and until that day comes the RCP is relied on to respond to those

[16:02] calls for

[16:06] service yeah anybody else have any questions or

[16:12] comments I think you sort of skimmed over what your request is at the end of

[16:17] the day it's one to three members that you're you're looking to increase the

[16:21] Medan attachment for but I don't know financially and all that that's

[16:27] going to be discussed later on is that sort of the the plan that's what you're

[16:30] yeah I don't know if there's any more questions or

[16:35] comments if not we can open it up to to the public if somebody has any

[16:40] more questions I guess for active V oh actually we'll

[16:46] just we let Ashley set up the mic area but yeah almost

[16:54] there just we're recording it it's uh streamed live so we're just uh we're

[16:59] going to put the mic ready and we should be good

[17:02] testing oh there you

[17:16] go

[17:22] test Tero a uh is there a enough officers available in Canada to recruit

[17:28] two or three more officers in this area speaking to the

[17:36] s yes uh the RCMP is always recruiting um we have many new members in Depot

[17:44] that go through on a weekly basis but uh we're not only recruiting for many in in

[17:51] the past four years with my experience here at the meagen Detachment many of

[17:56] our recruits uh many of our new members that attended to the Detachment have

[18:01] been recruits there continue to be some recruits but we're not also obtaining

[18:06] recruits as replacement we're also obtaining experience experienced members

[18:12] at times as well so that's always an option to look at as well uh members do

[18:17] get moved around and uh we're always uh it's always good to get some experience

[18:25] and some new members to create that leadership and guidance right so yes we

[18:30] are always recruiting there is always an up and down and uh but uh the the drive

[18:36] still there we're still hiring and we'll continue to do so thank you

[18:44] yeah anyone else have any questions or comments or oh go for I'll add to that

[18:50] from from the bigger outside de clarea so uh my name is Paul Pitman I'm the

[18:55] district advisory andco for the air CMP for this area

[18:59] when it comes to recruiting yeah we have had our challenges we've had a several

[19:03] lean years I'll say but it's not different than any other professional uh

[19:08] agency uh some of our time delays there was a question asked here with regards

[19:13] to other organizations that could probably help our workload when we draw

[19:17] on other agencies such as social workers or anything to do with Child and Family

[19:23] Services the uh mental health agencies they're short as well

[19:29] currently and I believe it's 50 troops are going through Depo this year we've

[19:35] changed our policy quite a bit uh Once Upon a Time you sign on the dotted line

[19:39] and you could go from CLA and you're in Slave Lake um and you had no say we've

[19:44] sort of gone more regionalized now if you recruited out of Nova Scotia chances

[19:49] are if there's openings you'll come back to Nova Scotia we've also implemented a

[19:54] program of the experienced police officer where we're drawing from other

[19:57] agencies I was recently in PEI charl toown police are they're switching six

[20:03] members over or s six uh City police officers over to the RCMP we have

[20:08] Halifax officers Edmonton calary a lot of people who moved away from the

[20:13] maritimes in Atlanta Canada now coming back so yes we still have challenges

[20:20] however it the Gap is sort of narrowing so we're having it certainly is a lot

[20:25] Rosier than it was two or three years ago

[20:34] anybody else have any questions or

[20:39] comments hello sir jeblah I have a question there's seven members of the

[20:44] rmp now may Tak on a do T the number there's always been is there room in the

[20:49] building to put more officers in or or something will it have to be getting

[20:55] bigger I can answer that um we do have the space for an additional up to three

[21:02] members that's not going to be an issue at our present building if it increased

[21:07] more than that we can certainly look at an

[21:16] [Music] expansion anybody else have any more

[21:20] questions or clarification on anything my name is Betty and chairman

[21:26] I'd like to request uh an idea if the RCMP is capable of

[21:32] bringing in more resources for shortened periods of time I'm thinking in

[21:37] particular of the El fishery period where we saw um an increased um amount

[21:44] of crime around the p tunar as we would say there were arrests done there I know

[21:49] that people around that neighborhood are extremely at non at ease at that

[21:56] period That's My I we I know you're looking for one to three policemen but

[22:01] until the whole process comes through is it are you capable of bringing in

[22:06] resources for a temporary

[22:09] Duty I can respond to that um the El issue would be again one of

[22:17] those specific issues that's not only a concern for the the Matan or Clare area

[22:24] it's a concern throughout the province right it's there there there's groups

[22:30] gathering on on rivers and and ponds all over the place throughout the province

[22:36] which are causing issues that again would be a demand not only from our

[22:43] office that we deal with that but that would be a request that I do through our

[22:47] district through staff sergeant Paul Pitman right there that was speaking

[22:51] earlier to say this is the need for our area and uh we're always working on we

[22:58] all the time for the inevitable this is one of those things that we do know is

[23:03] coming up and plans are in place to deal with that

[23:09] so to answer your question is the Detachment is going to be

[23:15] involved however if there is a need for those extra resources I will make that

[23:20] demand for the extra resources that have been planned for

[23:30] does that covered a question good

[23:35] yeah I think it answered the question but I'm not did that did I answer qu

[23:40] yeah okay it is possible that's it okay anybody else have any questions

[23:46] or comments or

[23:53] yeah John again I have another question when a special group comes into the area

[23:58] like you mentioned the K9 unit or something who pays for

[24:04] that um that would do you want to answer that or you want best be answer that

[24:09] they're up for

[24:12] it thank you so much for the question so um with respect to how the province

[24:17] builds municipalities that are policed by the RCMP our cost recovery is

[24:22] specifically for the members that are assigned to your Detachment so those are

[24:25] your Frontline officers uh that were just kind of the ones included on the

[24:30] slideshow here today uh so your general duty members the Corporal and of course

[24:34] the supervisor position as well for specialized Services the police dog

[24:39] services would be one of uh many specialized Services underwater recovery

[24:43] Emergency Response Team cyber crime the list is quite extensive uh the cost of

[24:49] those resources are borne by The Province the Department of Justice has

[24:52] chosen to uh be responsible for those costs thank you

[25:06] the other comments or

[25:12] question pretty good I don't know if we allocated a certain amount of time for

[25:15] questions and comments but it looks like we got them pretty well

[25:19] covered um that being said I guess just need a

[25:23] motion to to go to go in camera to to to go in

[25:29] there so that being said I just need a motion to go in camera I

[25:33] guess proposed by councel Devo seconded by councelor C all in favor contrary

[25:41] motion Carri that's it for time thank you very much

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