[0:00] Mchuan complex. So, including all the stuff, um it would be around

[0:05] $21,000 to do bark blowing just in

[0:09] Mchuan. So, we're trying to find ways to

[0:12] beautify it a little bit, cover up some

[0:13] of that stuff. So, um that was just a

[0:15] new bid that came in. So, it's just an

[0:17] information thing that, you know, we're

[0:19] seeking some of that stuff. So, um,

[0:22] another issue since Commissioner McDow

[0:24] had asked about vandalism in June, I

[0:26] think it was, or maybe the meeting

[0:28] before, but, uh, Barry and I were just

[0:30] talking just 10 minutes before we came

[0:32] over here, that, uh, we had had some

[0:34] more vandalism again today, uh, one of

[0:37] the restroom facilities where people

[0:39] chose to do some things that are not so

[0:42] fun to clean up. Um and and the cost

[0:45] estimate for that just for just for

[0:47] today alone was $1,750

[0:49] is what it cost for materials and man

[0:51] time and all of that to take care of it.

[0:53] So uh what we've discussed is we're

[0:55] going to get with Chief Jerger and maybe

[0:57] some of the captains code enforcement

[0:59] people and see if they've got some

[1:01] suggestions on how they can help us

[1:03] police that or monitor. I don't know

[1:06] because it it's it's costing us a ton a

[1:09] ton of money every season for for

[1:10] vandalism stuff. So, um,

[1:12] >> Adam, which facility was it that got hit

[1:14] today?

[1:17] >> What was that?

[1:18] >> It was We had Memorial Baseball Park, we

[1:21] had City Park, the band shell, and we

[1:23] also had the Mchuan family restrooms.

[1:27] >> Do any of them have cameras at all? Game

[1:30] cameras, even anything?

[1:32] >> The Mchuan has cameras in it. Most of

[1:35] them located within the parking lot.

[1:38] Yeah.

[1:38] >> Um, and most of them don't normally give

[1:40] us adequate

[1:43] >> footage to make it so we could actually

[1:45] make someone out. We've tried to use

[1:46] them that before. Mchuan's been hit

[1:48] quite a few different times, but we

[1:49] rarely get some kind of photo that would

[1:52] give us definitive proof that it was

[1:53] somebody.

[1:55] >> Um, are the restrooms still being closed

[1:58] at 10 or did we move that up?

[2:02] >> The restrooms are currently there. So,

[2:04] they get locked up by our security

[2:05] service. So it's kind of they start

[2:08] locking them about 9:30 and then

[2:10] normally they finish up hopefully by

[2:12] 11:00 11:30. It's kind of a tier

[2:14] process. They start downtown and then

[2:15] landings up or the further north they

[2:17] get the the later it actually goes. So

[2:20] but we do have a process that if we

[2:21] continue to get the vandalism we would

[2:23] like to shut the bathrooms ourselves at

[2:26] 4:00 cuz then we see the vandalism

[2:28] completely stop. We've been doing that

[2:30] this year uh up in area 4, so it' be

[2:33] Bluegrass Park as well as Landing Parks,

[2:35] and we haven't had any vandalism. They

[2:37] used to be our two most vandalized

[2:39] parks. So, us closing them when we leave

[2:40] for the day has eliminated that problem.

[2:47] » Yeah. Mason,

[2:48] >> you mentioned something about um

[2:51] turf in the sand bark area. Is that

[2:54] right below the um rock wall out there

[2:56] at Mchuan?

[2:58] >> Mhm. Yeah. So that's it's kind of become

[3:00] a problem area. Like if you ask Barry,

[3:02] it was, you know, was kind of a litter

[3:04] box, unfortunately for feral cats and

[3:06] whatnot. And and wood chips just don't

[3:10] they don't stay. They don't hold up. So

[3:12] it would make it all uniform through

[3:14] there if we were able to do that. So

[3:17] >> yeah, sure.

[3:19] >> Um, as a grandparent taking grandkids

[3:21] down there, I highly encourage you to

[3:23] put the turf in. Get rid of that stuff.

[3:27] The kids like it. We [laughter] share

[3:28] that idea.

[3:31] >> Um, oh, just a quick update with um,

[3:35] let's see, the turf, the vandalism, uh,

[3:37] trees. So, we're, believe it or not,

[3:39] still have some work to do with some of

[3:42] the tree damage from the windstorms that

[3:44] happened long ago. Uh, so all that's

[3:47] going to we're going to get reimbursed

[3:48] through FEMA. Um, but Barry had worked

[3:50] with uh, Notthead Tree Service, so

[3:53] they're going to go in and take care of

[3:54] the last few problem trees in the

[3:56] cemetery. uh which were some that lost

[3:58] their tops and some other compromised

[4:00] ones. Uh so hopefully fingers crossed

[4:04] we'll have that whole thing finally

[4:06] behind us after here about what nine

[4:08] months that we've been dealing with it.

[4:10] So um and then an update on the Trails

[4:12] Park uh which is out there by the

[4:15] Archeterra neighborhood. They're off of

[4:16] Hanley. Um we we did finally get a bid

[4:20] back from the contractor who is also

[4:23] doing the Corte project. Uh the bid came

[4:27] in a lot higher than what we maybe

[4:30] thought. Um so uh or estimate I should

[4:33] say, not bid, but um so we're going to

[4:35] get back with them and maybe re redo the

[4:38] redraw the concept. So there wasn't

[4:40] anything really concrete to bring to the

[4:41] commission to show you any concepts

[4:43] because it's going to have to we don't

[4:45] have a choice. It's going to have to

[4:46] change if we're going to be able to

[4:48] afford to do something out there. So

[4:49] we'll do that once we work through that

[4:51] with them. Um on the rec side, um got

[4:55] some some uh movement with the special

[4:58] needs uhou

[5:00] with Cherry Hill. Uh so they're doing

[5:03] some uh trying to do some site work

[5:04] stuff or site evaluation stuff out there

[5:08] uh so that they they can get with

[5:10] whoever they're going to hire uh to do

[5:12] all of that, you know, to to know what

[5:15] they're dealing with with uh if they

[5:17] move forward with construction. So we're

[5:19] excited about that. We'll see what

[5:21] comes, you know, comes down the road as

[5:23] they as they raise money. I'm not sure

[5:25] where they're at right now, but um

[5:28] they've been doing some periodic

[5:29] building meetings, so we'll start

[5:30] checking in and and attending those. Um

[5:33] soccer and basketball season. So,

[5:35] soccer, we've already done registration

[5:37] again, another 600 plus kids. Um

[5:41] super super big program. Uh we're

[5:44] excited for that one. And then of course

[5:45] going into basketball in the winter

[5:46] time. So, it's kind of an interesting

[5:48] thing. You know, you think that, oh,

[5:49] we're that that Wreck's probably the

[5:51] most busy in the summertime, which is

[5:53] opposite, right? Parks is very very busy

[5:55] in the summertime. Wreck is busier fall

[5:58] and winter and spring. So, um when you get indoors and and basketball

[6:05] is kind of cumbersome and one of the

[6:06] most troublesome ones to deal with,

[6:08] right? So, uh so those guys are going to

[6:09] be pretty busy. Uh and then in keeping

[6:12] with the rec stuff, uh some position

[6:14] changes. So, um, we haven't had a

[6:17] meeting. So, Jordan Anderson, who was

[6:19] our rec coordinator, got promoted to the

[6:20] superintendent role, and like I said, he

[6:22] was going to be here tonight, but he's

[6:22] on hiring. Um, so that left his

[6:25] coordinator role vacant. Um, and so we

[6:29] posted that position. We did some

[6:31] interviews today. So, uh, you know, once

[6:34] we get to a final decision, we'll we'll

[6:36] be probably bringing that person maybe

[6:38] to the next meeting, uh, to introduce

[6:40] them. And then Connor Pedicololis, who

[6:42] was one of our wreck monitors, uh took a

[6:45] job in municipal services. So, uh so

[6:49] that position just got posted last

[6:51] Wednesday.

[6:52] Um so hope hoping for a good candidate

[6:55] there. Uh but you know, as you guys

[6:57] know, our our rec staff is a staff of

[6:59] four, so we're down 50% of our workforce

[7:02] right now on the rec side when we're

[7:03] going into our busiest season. So, uh

[7:05] super fun. Um, and then one other thing

[7:09] as far as positions within within the greater department. So, Adam Carico,

[7:13] our building maintenance superintendent.

[7:14] I don't know if he's been here before.

[7:17] How many of you have met him? uh great

[7:19] guy, just a incredibly valuable asset to

[7:23] our department and the city, but um it's

[7:26] coming to council tomorrow uh that we're

[7:28] hoping to get him um bumped to a full

[7:31] superintendent and be on the same as our

[7:33] rec superintendent, park superintendent

[7:35] um because right now he's a pay grade

[7:37] below that. Uh, but if you ever have a

[7:40] chance to talk to him and and kind of

[7:42] get to know all the things that they do,

[7:44] um, I think you guys would would see

[7:46] that that's going to be a very

[7:48] beneficial thing. So, uh, we're hoping

[7:50] that passes uh passes through council

[7:52] tomorrow. And then a Jew house update.

[7:55] We've we've got just a a handful of of

[7:57] events left uh for the season. Uh it's

[8:00] been there's been some bumps and bruises

[8:02] with our new uh caretakers as far as

[8:04] just you know getting them acclimated um

[8:06] getting them you know understanding

[8:09] expectations and some of that which we

[8:10] knew right we went from somebody that

[8:12] had been there for 40 years to to a new

[8:14] caretaker. So uh working through through

[8:16] that and then lastly um just touch on

[8:19] the arts commission stuff. So, Arts

[8:21] Commission kind of got

[8:24] given back to the parks and recreation

[8:26] world. Um, and it's it's been a

[8:29] challenge. It's taken a lot of Melissa's

[8:31] time uh to to work through all the admin

[8:35] work that goes into that. So, we're just

[8:37] really trying to find some efficiencies

[8:39] and and maybe cutting back some of the

[8:41] expectations that that the commission

[8:43] has as far as needs of staff time

[8:46] because obviously you guys know she's

[8:48] very very busy and and if we're given 15

[8:52] hours a week to one one uh commission,

[8:56] it's

[8:57] >> it's pretty cumbersome. So, uh, so just

[9:00] working through some of those those

[9:01] efficiencies and and

[9:03] >> Christie

[9:04] >> Adam, you were at the joint

[9:06] [clears throat] NIC meeting that council

[9:08] held with the NIC board and the

[9:10] discussion from both council and the NIC

[9:14] board was Chief Analopee

[9:17] >> and I assume that's now going to be in

[9:18] your hands on how to move him, where to

[9:22] put him, what's the discussion, what's

[9:24] happening with that,

[9:24] >> that's going on that's going to be on

[9:26] the next agenda for the next meeting.

[9:28] Okay.

[9:29] >> Um,

[9:30] without evaluating it, I mean, I don't

[9:32] know. I couldn't tell you exactly what

[9:34] it's going to take to move it. Um, but

[9:36] once uh

[9:37] >> Scott's got a strong back.

[9:39] >> What's that?

[9:40] >> Chairman has a strong back.

[9:41] >> From what I understand, it's quite uh

[9:44] quite heavy and difficult to move. So,

[9:46] um, but yeah, once we get the okay,

[9:48] we'll get back with with Nick Swain or

[9:50] whoever he, you know, assigned to that

[9:52] and figure out how we can how we can

[9:55] help. And if we can use arts commission

[9:56] maintenance dollars to help pay for

[9:58] that, then

[9:58] >> be great if we could do it before

[10:00] spring.

[10:00] >> That would be the goal. Yeah. Yeah.

[10:02] >> Great. Thanks.

[10:03] >> Just a clarification, Adam, back to the

[10:05] [clears throat] arts commission. And

[10:06] it's still kind of an independent

[10:08] commission, city commission, but if I'm

[10:12] hearing it correctly, the city staff

[10:15] support for that commission has been

[10:17] handed to parks and recreation.

[10:18] >> That's correct. Yep.

[10:19] >> Who was supporting that

[10:23] administrative

[10:26] uh task before? Well, historically, so

[10:29] when I started 20 years ago, um, it was

[10:32] with Steve Anthony and it was in in the

[10:35] wreck world and parks and recreation.

[10:37] Um,

[10:38] and I used to have to maintain the

[10:40] fountain that was out there and go take

[10:41] care of the bronze sculptures and some

[10:43] of that kind of stuff. So, um, it got

[10:45] passed around after that. It went to

[10:47] planning and then ended up in

[10:48] administration. Uh, so we had a former

[10:51] finance employee and then our our former

[10:54] city administrator that that was part of

[10:56] that. Um, and then as it was getting

[10:59] closer to his exit, it was it was given

[11:02] back to to parks and recreation, which

[11:04] is fine. I mean, it it really fits for

[11:08] what we do, right? Most of the art is

[11:10] for the most part located in park

[11:12] property or along the trail, so it makes

[11:15] sense. But um it I think has just kind

[11:19] of taken on a mind of its own with with

[11:21] not a lot of checks and balances for for

[11:23] a number of years. So we're just trying

[11:25] to we're trying to rein it back in a

[11:27] little bit. Um you know it's a pretty

[11:29] big committee with seven oh gosh no 14

[11:33] people maybe or something on it. So it's pretty large. Um and they've got

[11:38] had 17 subcommittees. And so we're just

[11:41] trying to just trying to tweak things to

[11:42] make it more efficient so it's not as burdensome on staff time.

[11:47] >> And Amy's your council liaison. Maybe

[11:49] she could help with that.

[11:51] >> What's that?

[11:51] >> Maybe she could help with some of that.

[11:53] >> Yeah. And she she has been helpful with uh they did finally cut the

[11:58] subcommittee list down to five, which is

[12:01] fine. Um and yeah, Amy's been been great

[12:04] supporting all of that. So,

[12:07] >> and I think that's all I've got so far.

[12:10] >> Just a question like pondering question

[12:14] going back to the turf or Mchuan Park in

[12:16] general. Is there any plans or ideas

[12:19] floating around about the bark under the

[12:20] swings?

[12:23] >> The bark under the swings as far as like

[12:26] replacing it or

[12:27] >> just what Yeah. What's going to happen

[12:29] with it or

[12:30] >> I'll let Barry answer that one for you.

[12:33] [clears throat] We typically keep the

[12:34] bark underneath the swings because it's

[12:36] such a heavy use item that if we were to

[12:38] do it in turf, it would actually cost us

[12:40] more uh to replace the turf as often as

[12:43] we would. So, it's actually more

[12:44] fiscally responsible for us if we stick

[12:46] with bark. Okay.

[12:50] >> Anything else for Adam or Barry?

[12:53] Thank you. Appreciate it. Do the

[12:56] commissioners have any comments or

[12:58] announcements this evening?

[13:01] Okay.

[13:03] Uh, I don't think we'll have public

[13:05] comments, but I'll ask is there anybody

[13:07] here that wants to address the

[13:08] commission? Uh, it's not already part of

[13:12] a agenda item. You have three minutes.

[13:15] Doug, do you want to

[13:18] if you

[13:20] uh Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and members

[13:22] of the parks and recck commission. I

[13:24] just wanted to make a comment that on

[13:26] occurrence there's something that can

[13:29] happen that goes a little bit beyond

[13:31] what your expectations are and that

[13:34] needs uh public recognition or public

[13:37] praise if you will. And not too long

[13:40] ago, your new parks director and and

[13:43] Barry and the parks department uh

[13:46] completed something that's really worthy

[13:49] of that recognition. And it's indirectly

[13:52] tied to to another item that we're here

[13:55] for tonight. But the band shell flooring

[13:59] uh was in need of desperate repair. It

[14:02] was a uh a a flooring that was made out

[14:06] of roof sheathing. It had an epoxy

[14:08] coating and and [music] a another layer

[14:11] under that. It held up pretty good. It's

[14:14] been replaced several times, but it's

[14:16] outdoors and in the weather. Uh these

[14:20] gentlemen had uh contracted with

[14:22] somebody and it now has a composite

[14:25] style wood flooring like TX flooring. It

[14:28] is absolutely beautiful. Very, very

[14:32] nice. right down to the color and the

[14:35] craftsmanship of all the work. And so I

[14:38] thought they needed to get some credit

[14:40] for that because they're probably not

[14:41] going to stand up and brag about it on

[14:43] their own. So I'll do it for them

[14:45] tonight. And and then one other thing

[14:49] that [clears throat] I I thought about

[14:51] on my way up here at one time the city

[14:55] had a thank you card that was done with

[14:59] the city logo. And since the beans have

[15:02] already been spilled on this one, uh it

[15:05] wouldn't do a whole lot of good to give

[15:07] one to Adam and Barry because they know

[15:09] what it's about, but it still wouldn't

[15:12] hurt. But your contractor, it's really

[15:15] good public relations to uh send

[15:17] something like that out with maybe a

[15:19] picture of it. And uh thanks cuz that

[15:22] was extraordinary work. I've worked with

[15:24] some of you on past projects. You know,

[15:26] my standards are pretty high. This one

[15:29] exceeded my expectations. So, I just

[15:32] wanted to say thanks.

[15:33] >> Awesome.

[15:34] >> So,

[15:35] >> thank you, Doug. Just for the record,

[15:36] that was Doug Eastwood, uh, [laughter]

[15:39] uh, parks and rec director ammeritus.

[15:41] So, anyway,

[15:45] okay. Um

[15:48] our next item is an information item

[15:50] discussion

[15:52] uh regarding the reestablishment of the

[15:55] park and recreation commission workshops

[15:58] and also the city park seaw wall and

[16:00] trail. So you want to introduce us to

[16:03] that one Adam?

[16:04] >> Yes. So not a big presentation that

[16:07] comes along with this. Um, and initially

[16:09] we were talking about maybe this being

[16:11] an action item potentially to form a a

[16:13] committee uh steering committee or ad

[16:16] hoc committee like we talked about for

[16:18] um for the the basically the the

[16:22] esplenon I think is what you would call

[16:23] it there along the seaw wall. Uh so it's

[16:26] been in need of repair for quite some

[16:28] time. I think that's probably pretty

[16:30] obvious to most of us. Um and we've had

[16:32] a couple of meetings with uh Mr.

[16:34] Eastwood and Tom Toruson who's who's

[16:37] here as well. Um who had come forward

[16:39] with some good ideas. Um and I think

[16:41] it's it's a it's time to to bring the

[16:44] workshops back uh as we've kind of been

[16:46] talking about once we got I got settled

[16:49] um to to bring those back because I

[16:51] think that they're beneficial in

[16:52] discussing things specifically like this

[16:56] um in a little maybe a little less

[16:58] formal setting where people can come

[17:00] with ideas still open to the public. Um

[17:03] but we thought this would be a perfect

[17:05] thing to kick that off uh bringing those

[17:08] workshops shops back and and

[17:09] specifically talk about uh that seaw

[17:12] wall project um what we want a committee

[17:15] to look like who we think should serve

[17:16] on it um and and then of course you know

[17:20] the big question is how we fund it. So

[17:24] um we just thought that that would be a

[17:25] perfect thing to to start those

[17:27] workshops back with. So,

[17:31] >> um maybe Christie can weigh in on this,

[17:33] but um you know, we're discussing an ad

[17:35] hoc committee to study and give us

[17:38] recommendations on, you know, what

[17:41] repairs and renovations can be done

[17:42] along the prominade there. Um I guess

[17:45] how do you see that process going? form

[17:47] in the committee. Is it something that

[17:50] this commission would would um select

[17:54] the membership of the committee or

[17:55] provide recommendations to council for

[17:57] them to approve it or how do you

[18:00] envision that coming together?

[18:01] >> Yeah, I think that that for me first I

[18:04] think it would be important if if

[18:06] [snorts] our entire commission wanted to

[18:08] serve on that because that's what you

[18:09] guys are you know obviously passionate

[18:11] about all things park and wreck and

[18:12] that's why you're serving on this

[18:13] commission. So, if if everybody on our park and rec commission wanted to

[18:17] serve on that, that would be great.

[18:18] Certainly not expected. Um, but I think

[18:21] that there's there's also some good

[18:23] value in community input, past uh parks

[18:26] directors perhaps. Um, but uh that that

[18:30] are really invested in that space that

[18:33] have some good ideas and some good

[18:35] input. So um but I think the first part

[18:38] is talking you know really talking

[18:39] through that get a group feel of of uh

[18:43] what that expectation is how big we want

[18:45] the community to be or committee not

[18:47] community uh how big we want that

[18:49] committee to be uh and then everybody

[18:52] you know coming kind of coming to the

[18:53] table saying hey I think this person

[18:54] would be great because x y and z or you

[18:57] know they've been involved in that in

[18:59] that space before so um and then from

[19:02] there you know kind of see see where

[19:04] that leads needs.

[19:06] >> Great question.

[19:07] >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Adam, if

[19:10] it's a um if it's a special committee

[19:12] form just for this particular project,

[19:15] it's highly appropriate for you and our

[19:17] chairman to probably determine who's

[19:20] going to serve on the committee and

[19:22] hopefully all of us would be available

[19:23] to do some of that plus the many people

[19:26] from the public. If it's an ad hoc

[19:28] committee that's going to go on and on forever, then the mayor is the

[19:31] only one that can really appoint the

[19:33] committee members. But if there's a time

[19:35] frame and I think the time frame is just

[19:37] getting getting the prominade repaired

[19:41] um with the help of a public private

[19:44] partnership and Douggee and Tom Toruson

[19:47] have been very passionate about this

[19:48] project. They brought it to my

[19:50] attention. They've brought it to public

[19:52] attention and they're getting a

[19:54] tremendous amount of support of people

[19:56] that say, "Yeah, I want to help." And

[19:58] they have some great concepts and ideas.

[19:59] And so it really would be great to have

[20:02] a workshop where we just focused on

[20:04] that, put together that special

[20:06] committee and then gave ourselves a time

[20:09] frame at the [snorts] at the same time

[20:11] we do that of how long we think this

[20:13] will take and how long that special

[20:15] committee would meet.

[20:17] >> I think you know you're forming the

[20:18] committee. I think defining very clear

[20:20] goals and objectives of what you want

[20:22] that committee to accomplish would be

[20:24] important too. So

[20:25] >> yeah,

[20:26] >> you know, those need to be determined

[20:28] and well stated.

[20:30] >> Agreed,

[20:31] >> Bridget.

[20:32] >> Well, I also think uh making it clear um

[20:36] uh the decision-m um

[20:40] protocol and how that would all work and

[20:43] knowing the so that the committee

[20:45] understands their um part in in the

[20:51] project. Yeah. and then how it comes

[20:53] back to the uh commission.

[20:56] >> Yeah, I think that's important. I think

[20:58] Doug and uh Tom understand that that

[21:00] this is an advisory committee.

[21:02] Ultimately, um the parks the parks

[21:04] department director and the commission

[21:06] make the final determination on city

[21:08] property. But we have a heck of an

[21:10] opportunity with a private public

[21:13] partnership and the expertise of these

[21:15] two gentlemen that will will really

[21:17] assist us. Mhm.

[21:20] >> Mason,

[21:21] >> do you think the uh time frame and like

[21:24] all the um the details about how this

[21:26] committee would be formed and stuff

[21:28] would be at the workshop or chosen by

[21:31] this committee?

[21:32] >> Well, it'd be at the workshop, correct,

[21:34] Mr. Chairman?

[21:35] >> Yeah. At least if there was had to be

[21:37] any action item that would be associated

[21:39] with adopting anything, we'd have to

[21:41] bring it from the workshop to this

[21:43] formal monthly meeting format. But,

[21:48] you know, I we're not there. We don't

[21:49] know exactly what it's going to look

[21:51] like yet. So, I think that's a perfect

[21:53] opportunity in a workshop to begin the

[21:55] process of

[21:57] >> One followup on that. Um, Adam, can we

[22:00] get a workshop together before the end

[22:02] of the month?

[22:04] >> Potentially. Uh, I'm going to be gone

[22:06] for two weeks

[22:09] >> chasing things in the woods. So, um,

[22:11] I'll be back the week of the 28th, so we

[22:13] could try and and shoot for like that

[22:15] last week of September if everybody's

[22:17] available.

[22:18] >> Okay.

[22:18] >> If that if that works.

[22:20] >> Sooner the better. But you deserve a

[22:22] vacation.

[22:23] >> Thank you.

[22:23] >> Those poor animals.

[22:26] >> Um,

[22:29] both Doug and Tom are here. I guess I'd

[22:31] invite them. Do you have any other

[22:32] comments or anything you'd like to add

[22:34] regarding this topic?

[22:35] >> I didn't, but I do now. [laughter]

[22:38] If you just state uh your name for the

[22:39] record, Tom.

[22:40] >> Tom Torerson.

[22:42] Um born three blocks from here. In fact,

[22:45] um thanks for letting me address this.

[22:48] is exact when when what happened

[22:51] was Dave Olivera wrote a little article

[22:54] and did some stuff on social. I saw it

[22:56] and I called him and then Doug and I got

[22:59] together and met down there and met with

[23:02] Christie and much like it happens

[23:06] frequently as things degrade slowly. You

[23:09] don't really notice it and there's a

[23:12] distraction down there is the lake and

[23:14] the beach and all this other stuff, but

[23:15] it looks terrible that I've been a real

[23:17] estate broker and developer here for 33

[23:19] years. Like I said, I was born here.

[23:22] I've built speck homes and I've done all

[23:23] sorts of design work and and and things

[23:25] like that. And I thought h and I've done

[23:27] a lot of political work for the last 25

[23:29] years for the association of realtorism

[23:31] personally. I

[23:33] specifically told Gan that I am not

[23:36] interested in doing this if this is

[23:38] going to be a city committee because

[23:40] nothing will get done in a timely

[23:41] manner. I want to I want to work on this

[23:45] actively.

[23:47] between Doug and I, we've got already

[23:49] we've got nonprofits

[23:51] invested, you know, literally wanting to

[23:53] invest in this project. I've got quasi

[23:55] governmental and governmental stuff.

[23:57] I've got a private corporation. I've got

[24:00] another uh group that's reasonably large

[24:04] in town that would like to financially

[24:05] contribute to it. I want to my goal

[24:08] would be to break ground in the spring.

[24:10] And I know you guys are in a budget

[24:11] crunch. I I've got some plans and ideas

[24:14] on this and so does Doug that are really

[24:15] great. Plus, as a as a historian with

[24:18] his with his work at the parks

[24:20] department for so long and being

[24:21] responsible for so much of the of the

[24:23] beautiful parks and things that we have,

[24:25] it's an incredibly uh valuable with any

[24:29] type of organization group committee to

[24:31] have somebody that's a historian that

[24:33] can say we tried that or we did this or

[24:35] this is how these agreements went or

[24:37] this is where that went wrong. and and

[24:39] then you get to couple that with with

[24:41] the great, you know, input that we've

[24:43] had from Adam and the willing

[24:45] willingness to do this. But having a

[24:48] committee to form a committee so that

[24:50] the committee can report to a commission

[24:51] so the commission can report to the

[24:53] council, that doesn't work for me. It's a waste of my time. And um and I

[24:59] feel badly to say it like that, but it's

[25:01] the truth. Um, this needs to be run like

[25:04] a private project and then the city and

[25:06] you guys need to decide can a

[25:09] conglomeration of people raise the money

[25:12] and then support the maintenance of it

[25:14] and then get it done and and if we can't but just doing the committee to

[25:21] have a meeting to have a meeting about a

[25:22] meeting I I just I don't have that much

[25:25] time or or love for anything to do that

[25:28] at my age anymore. So,

[25:30] >> I'd like to respond to Mr. Torus and my

[25:32] good friend Tom. So, Tom, we're talking

[25:35] about city-owned property.

[25:37] >> Correct.

[25:37] >> And your dear friend and former uh parks

[25:40] director Doug Eastwood would never hand

[25:43] over a park to a private totally private

[25:46] committee. These the commission are

[25:49] private citizens that come and serve the

[25:52] parks on behalf of the city. And so, I

[25:55] think we can get there. I don't think

[25:57] we're going to have committees that talk

[25:59] about another committee and another

[26:00] committee. We can streamline this thing,

[26:02] but it is a public park owned by the

[26:04] city and so we absolutely have to do it

[26:07] correctly.

[26:08] >> May I misspoke or was misunderstood. I never

[26:12] intended it to have any type of private

[26:14] ownership or anything. I was just

[26:15] talking about just being driven to take

[26:18] the weight off of because there's a lot

[26:20] of stuff that's going on. Budgetary

[26:22] items being in the red and so on and so

[26:24] forth. That's all I was talking about is

[26:26] just the driving force behind the group.

[26:28] You guys, of course, would have to be

[26:29] the the commission would have to be the

[26:31] ones that brings it to the council. We

[26:32] don't have that authority. I I didn't

[26:34] want to make it sound like that. So, I

[26:36] apologize. I just would like to be

[26:37] really involved and to try to get it

[26:40] rolling quicker.

[26:41] >> We want you involved, too. And I promise

[26:42] you won't want to put a fork in your eye

[26:44] sitting [laughter] committee meetings.

[26:46] >> Thanks. And I apologize for

[26:48] [clears throat] for sounding like I

[26:49] thought it was, you know, to make it

[26:51] sound like it was going to be a private

[26:53] thing or privatized. Not whatsoever. No,

[26:55] >> we're good. We're gonna work on this

[26:57] together.

[26:57] >> Yeah. So, I would love it if we could

[26:59] form a committee and that's about all.

[27:01] Thank you very much.

[27:02] >> Anything else for Tom? Okay.

[27:04] >> Thank you, Tom. Appreciate it.

[27:06] >> I I guess I'm just as long as we have a

[27:09] clear target and a very clear picture of

[27:13] what we're after here, we should be able

[27:16] to meet that goal.

[27:19] And I I don't know, you know, if we have

[27:22] that figured out yet or uh what this uh

[27:27] park, seaw wall, and trail

[27:30] um

[27:32] project is or um it sounds like lots of

[27:36] folks have been talking about it and so

[27:38] somebody has a vision.

[27:40] I don't know if you know maybe we need

[27:42] to um maybe it's going to come out at

[27:45] this particular committee. Um

[27:49] but it needs to be very clear where

[27:52] we're headed on this.

[27:54] >> Yeah. Um there I there are some concepts

[27:57] out there that people have come up with

[27:59] that are very nice. Um and so that's

[28:02] where all that would come out in the

[28:03] workshop or we could see what some of

[28:04] their visioning is and then you know see

[28:07] if it if that actually works for the

[28:09] city. Um, I'm sure we're all going to

[28:11] come to a happy medium, but the the end

[28:13] result is hopefully a really nice

[28:17] prominade. Tom's right. It it is it

[28:19] needs to be addressed. It's just kind of

[28:21] fallen on the wayside and um because we

[28:24] have so many fabulous, beautiful parks

[28:26] that we're keeping up and it's just but

[28:28] it's just time to to give it a dress up.

[28:33] >> Okay. [clears throat]

[28:36] Okay.

[28:38] Let's move on to the next item. HREI

[28:42] building grant.

[28:44] >> Yes, me again. Um, yeah. So, we um or

[28:49] actually the historical preservation uh

[28:52] committee commission. I don't know if

[28:54] they're a committee or a commission, but

[28:56] uh they they actually secured a grant

[28:58] for $65,000 to do some uh maintenance

[29:03] slash uh improvements to some of the

[29:06] brick stuff at the HRI building. So, uh

[29:09] some not enough to pay for anything

[29:10] structural. Uh but Adam Currico, our

[29:13] building building maintenance

[29:14] superintendent, he's been working uh

[29:16] with uh Shannon from that commission,

[29:18] who's the one that that uh secured the

[29:21] grant, uh to come up with all the things

[29:24] that they can fit into that $65,000.

[29:27] Um and I think they we're getting really

[29:30] close to to them having a pretty good

[29:32] plan of of the best use of that money to

[29:34] uh most of it's going to be on the front

[29:36] side to but but to do tuck pointing as Adam calls it, right? So, fixing some

[29:41] brick and mortar stuff. Um, one of the

[29:43] companies he's been talking with does a

[29:45] lot of work with matching uh historical

[29:49] brick with new stuff. Um, color matching

[29:52] grout, those kinds of things. So, it'll

[29:54] be really interesting once we get to

[29:56] that point where we can select a

[29:57] contractor and and get going with that.

[29:59] But, just thought it was something

[30:00] beneficial for the commission to know

[30:02] since it it does fall under our purview

[30:04] and it's an old historical building

[30:06] that's again been been in need of some

[30:08] love for quite some time. So, um, and

[30:10] then of course that'll make it that'll

[30:12] make Janette happy, I think, if we do

[30:14] some of that stuff. So,

[30:17] >> okay.

[30:19] Anything else on that one?

[30:22] Okay, moving along then, uh, land and

[30:25] water conservation fund conversion

[30:28] proposal update.

[30:31] >> Yes. So, and and this is one um that is going to be kind of an ongoing thing.

[30:38] has been probably one of the biggest uh

[30:40] learning curves for me. But no, Doug

[30:42] left. So he had he had helped me kind of

[30:44] understand some of that stuff with the

[30:46] conversion. But uh right now technically

[30:49] we are uh out of compliance with land

[30:52] and water and it and it really dates

[30:54] back to uh a lot to do with the old

[30:56] tennis courts at NIC when I think there

[30:59] were six of them. three of them went out

[31:02] and then another three went out. Uh and we never really got back into

[31:07] compliance with replacing like same for

[31:10] same or recreational facilities for

[31:12] that. And then some of it also had to do

[31:13] with some other land swap stuff with uh

[31:16] city swapping lots uh that that fell in

[31:21] that boundary. So, uh, the upside is

[31:23] Kathy Mureer, who is with Land and

[31:26] Water, um, she's very busy, but, uh,

[31:29] we've we've set a meeting for mid

[31:30] October, um, to to get with her. She's

[31:34] going to really break it down for us of

[31:37] how like how we got here and what all

[31:40] needs to be done uh to get back into

[31:42] compliance so that we are in good

[31:44] standing with them so that then we can

[31:46] actually submit for grant funding

[31:48] through them again because that's a good

[31:50] [snorts] a really good [clears throat]

[31:51] funding source that that can help parks

[31:53] but right now we're not eligible for it.

[31:55] So, um, if if any of you would like and

[31:59] I can I can certainly just send a an

[32:01] email out to the group, but if anybody

[32:03] would like to attend that meeting just

[32:04] for some context, um, if it's

[32:06] interesting to you, it's going to it's

[32:08] going to be mid-occtober. Um, but I'll I

[32:10] can send an an invite out. So, if

[32:12] anybody is interested Yeah.

[32:14] >> Uh, and sitting in on that, that would

[32:15] be that would be great. Yeah, I think

[32:17] that's going to be crit critical to get

[32:19] back in compliance because there's a lot

[32:20] of grant funding that we're we're

[32:22] missing because there wasn't some

[32:25] previous follow-through on that that

[32:27] conversion. So,

[32:29] >> um it it not has to do with the transfer

[32:32] of money or providing recreational

[32:35] facilities of like value. It just does

[32:37] it have to do with reestablishing

[32:40] boundaries that account for conversion

[32:43] or you know what what's the detail of

[32:45] that or do we know? So far, what I've

[32:48] discussed with Kathy is more valuebased

[32:50] than the actual boundary. So, I couldn't

[32:53] speak to the boundary part in

[32:54] particular. Um, but just for some

[32:58] context, since we brought up the trails

[33:00] park, the value of even that park if we

[33:02] did it would still not be enough to

[33:04] cover what we're behind. Um,

[33:10] she may have undervalued that park a

[33:11] little bit. So, um, yeah.

[33:13] [clears throat] So, we'll talk through

[33:14] all of that stuff to get some clear-cut

[33:16] direction so at least we know what we

[33:18] need to do to get back into compliance

[33:20] and then hopefully we'll be able to to

[33:23] get

[33:23] >> after that meeting with her. Is that

[33:25] something you can bring back to us in

[33:26] workshop

[33:28] >> agenda item and kind of bring us up to

[33:29] speed?

[33:30] >> Absolutely.

[33:30] >> Yeah.

[33:35] » Okay.

[33:38] Last but not least, Ignite funding for

[33:40] Johnson Mill River. Um, why don't you

[33:44] introduce us to the

[33:46] uh discussion, Adam, and and uh perhaps

[33:50] introduce our guests that are here with

[33:52] us on this.

[33:53] >> I think this one's on. Um, so we um had

[33:57] a meeting

[33:58] three weeks ago. I don't know. My time

[34:00] table's probably off. Uh, but Phil Boyd

[34:03] and Will Osborne, who's with Ignite,

[34:05] Phil with Welsh Comr. Um so um it had

[34:09] been brought to

[34:11] uh to executive team um and and some

[34:14] other meetings asking for some projects

[34:16] that would fall within the uh river

[34:19] district of Ignite uh for for possible

[34:22] funding um you know before that district

[34:25] closed. Uh and and fortunately for us,

[34:29] um there there weren't a lot of

[34:31] additional projects outside what what

[34:34] we've asked for for uh Johnson Mill

[34:37] River Park. And then there's a couple of

[34:38] street projects and these two can speak

[34:41] to it better. So I'll just go through

[34:42] the little bit that I peeled out of

[34:44] Phil's uh much longer presentation that

[34:47] involved all the street work and some of

[34:49] that kind of stuff because we're not

[34:50] here to talk about streets. So um see if

[34:54] I can remember how to work this. So, um,

[34:57] just going over, you know, parks master

[34:59] plan. Um, you know, we all know what

[35:02] that property had started out as with,

[35:05] uh, with the railroad. Um, all the, uh,

[35:09] trail connections that we wanted to have

[35:12] go all the way through there so that the

[35:13] trail was all connected all the way

[35:15] through, uh, you know, from from

[35:18] downtown and and all the way out to

[35:19] Hutter Road. So, um, and then on top of

[35:23] that, um, you know, if you look at the

[35:24] right side there, talking about adding

[35:26] some other park amenities, uh, some

[35:28] benches, maybe picnic shelter stuff,

[35:31] playground stuff. Um, you know, some of

[35:33] those kinds of things that that maybe

[35:35] could be a good addition there. Um,

[35:40] let's see.

[35:42] This one is just uh uh just a little

[35:46] graph slide that we'll kind of skip

[35:48] through that one because I want to get

[35:50] through to

[35:52] um where some of those photos are so we

[35:55] can really just show you some of what's

[35:58] going on there. So, this is just an

[36:00] overview. Shows uh shows that trail

[36:04] going down through there, an old

[36:05] railway. Um

[36:08] here is a a picture of what it actually

[36:11] I guess Barry looks like this right now.

[36:13] Right. So uh shrub shrub beds lining the road there and and uh just

[36:21] dead space [laughter]

[36:23] uh in the middle there. So, this overall

[36:25] idea is going to be to kind of beautify

[36:27] that, change some of the roadway stuff

[36:29] and and I'm I'll probably will let Phil

[36:32] take some of this because he can give

[36:34] you uh since this was his presentation,

[36:37] but give you specifics, more specifics

[36:40] um on on the overall scope, but um

[36:45] going a little bit further here where

[36:49] Oh my goodness.

[36:52] To show Yeah, same thing. But if you

[36:54] look at the bottom there, maybe just a

[36:55] concept of of a little bit of a

[36:59] direction of the trail.

[37:01] So here, okay, this is kind of where I

[37:03] wanted to get uh existing gazebo on the

[37:06] left and a potential concept on the

[37:08] right there of of adding some restroom

[37:11] stuff, which would be super beneficial.

[37:13] Obviously, like, you know, doing some

[37:14] beautifification and upgrading some

[37:16] pathway, some lighting, maybe some

[37:18] interpretive signage, which would be

[37:20] great. Um, and again, this is all

[37:22] concept stuff just based on he's basing

[37:24] it all off of, you know, staff input and

[37:26] maybe some public input of of uh, you

[37:30] know, what we're looking for. Um, again,

[37:32] another concept here, but the biggest

[37:34] thing for me when when I saw this is the beach area over there is in need of

[37:40] some it's in need of some attention. Um,

[37:43] we lose most of the sand every year with

[37:47] the river current. So, uh, one of the

[37:50] things that Phil has in here that he

[37:51] kind of pitched was was possibly doing

[37:53] instead of doing a having a dock, a free

[37:55] floating dock, this would be, uh, uh,

[37:58] peer peer supported, right? So, um, no

[38:02] need to pull it out in the winter time

[38:03] like we do and spend extra dollars

[38:05] there. So,

[38:07] um,

[38:10] and then there's just another view of

[38:11] what it potentially could look like with

[38:13] some of that done.

[38:17] Maybe doing some benches and again that

[38:19] redirection of the path a little bit so

[38:21] you've got some more pathway closer to

[38:22] the river. Um, you know, some signage

[38:25] just makes it a little bit a little bit

[38:26] nicer in there. Um,

[38:31] and then I'm going to skip that one

[38:33] because I want to go to this part. This

[38:34] is probably the biggest part. This was

[38:36] one of the first things that Barry and I

[38:37] talked about um when when I took over

[38:41] was this shoreline. And you can see on

[38:43] the left there, it is severely severely

[38:46] compromised. Um and maybe we may have

[38:48] mentioned this as as you know, something

[38:50] that we were going to kind of go after.

[38:52] So, this is where this all really

[38:53] started for for me uh having this

[38:56] conversation going forward was getting

[38:59] this to be safe. Uh just for some

[39:01] context, the first time Barry and I met

[39:03] down there, it was probably after a week

[39:05] after uh our previous director left. And

[39:08] when I got there, he was down below some

[39:11] of these rocks with half of his legs

[39:13] stuck up underneath the the the

[39:17] turf. So it's it's washing out

[39:20] underneath. Uh again, just super

[39:22] compromised all the way down. Um and so

[39:25] it's something that needs to be

[39:26] addressed and and get taken care of. So

[39:28] I think for me personally uh in in

[39:31] looking at safety first, this is the

[39:34] most important piece to this project is the shoreline stabilization and a

[39:40] byproduct of that is more

[39:43] beautifification, maybe a better design

[39:45] there along along the uh along the

[39:48] river. So um and I think that yeah, that

[39:51] was the last slide. So uh again, this is it's it's been a long time

[39:56] coming. It obviously didn't happen

[39:58] overnight. Uh so we're just we're we're

[40:01] really hopeful that we can maybe get to

[40:03] the point where we can

[40:06] get some funding and and get it going.

[40:08] So and if Phil has anything to add

[40:10] because I know I probably just butchered

[40:12] that tried to tried to just go through

[40:14] it a little bit but

[40:15] >> sure.

[40:16] >> Questions for Phil. May I

[40:18] >> Phil does have something to add.

[40:22] >> Let me make a couple quick comments.

[40:24] Sure. just on the financial stuff

[40:25] because I'm no engineer. Um so because

[40:30] of the success of my predecessor and the

[40:33] way that this district has been managed,

[40:35] there is money to do these projects and

[40:38] we've met with several um folks from the

[40:42] city and we are in the process of of

[40:45] developing kind of a priority list for

[40:47] my board to review and this one

[40:50] consistently is at the top of that list.

[40:52] um we we feel like, you know, we were

[40:54] part of this to begin with and we're

[40:56] invested in it and we'd really like to

[40:58] see the funds that are uh the result of the life of that district um be used

[41:05] in this manner. So obviously the

[41:07] shoreline restoration is is extremely

[41:10] important, but we do feel like the the

[41:13] beautifification and the redirection of

[41:15] the trail and just the general flow of

[41:17] that whole area can be done very

[41:19] efficiently as that work is being

[41:22] performed on the on the on the site in

[41:25] general. So, um, yeah. Um,

[41:29] and there are some other projects that

[41:31] we're reviewing. Um, and you know, one

[41:34] of my desires is to help the city to,

[41:38] um,

[41:39] take some of these projects and maybe

[41:41] not this one specifically, but projects

[41:43] that are in the current budget or are

[41:46] subject to the current budget shortfall,

[41:48] and let us provide some of that money to

[41:51] help correct some of the budget issues.

[41:54] and it it may not coincide

[41:56] um on the timing wise. Uh I don't think

[42:02] we're going to be able to get any of of

[42:03] this done this year. [clears throat] Um

[42:05] but we we do have some flexibility with

[42:08] how the the closeout plan uh folds

[42:12] unfolds for the district so we can we

[42:15] have some flexibility in how we can use

[42:17] these funds going forward.

[42:20] >> Question.

[42:21] >> Hi Will. So I I'm trying to figure out

[42:25] it this isn't the Atlas district. This

[42:27] is this the river district river

[42:29] district. Okay. And

[42:31] >> and the funds do have to be used

[42:32] specifically within that

[42:34] >> that geographic definition.

[42:36] >> Right. And it closes out in 2027. Right.

[42:40] >> Correct.

[42:41] >> Okay.

[42:42] >> And so the funds have to be appropriated

[42:44] and the plan has to be identified and

[42:46] quantified and has to be written into

[42:49] the closeout plan. that the work does

[42:51] not have to be performed in 2027.

[42:54] >> Okay.

[42:56] All right. Thank you.

[42:57] >> You got

[43:02] » it's all yours, Phil.

[43:03] >> Thank you, Chairman Cranston. Phil Boyd,

[43:05] Welch Engineers.

[43:07] >> Phil, I can I recognize your work, man.

[43:09] >> Oh, thank you. [laughter]

[43:11] >> Um, you know, it's interesting. Justice

[43:14] Johnson Park. I have a friend who who

[43:17] lives uh

[43:19] I guess it's a little farther down.

[43:21] Anyway, um the question is always about

[43:25] parking and I saw that you have uh

[43:28] improved parking, but I don't know where

[43:30] exactly that's at. Is it that that spare

[43:32] lot that we're finally going to pave

[43:35] over or

[43:37] because parking is a problem down there.

[43:39] >> Yes, ma'am. Uh, commissioner Wood, that

[43:41] is an excellent question and and one of

[43:43] the things that and Adam and I talked a

[43:46] little bit about this is where do you

[43:47] put the parking um where it it does the provides the functionality but

[43:54] doesn't consume what could be really

[43:56] good park space. And so if we look at

[43:59] this picture, you could because this

[44:02] roadway segment would move over here. So

[44:05] it would be parallel to this roadway

[44:06] segment. So in theory you could expand

[44:09] the parking lot here because the road

[44:12] this roadway would be moved north. So

[44:14] you the couplet would go away. So one

[44:17] option is to expand this parking lot.

[44:20] Another option is to potentially where

[44:23] the trail would continue on through here

[44:25] to Hutter. Hutter Road is right here. Um

[44:28] there might be an opportunity to tuck

[44:30] some parking over here so you don't have

[44:32] to use this really nice view space that has a water view as the parking

[44:37] lot.

[44:38] >> So Adam and I just talked briefly about

[44:40] this. These are obviously big conceptual

[44:42] plans and once we or just even

[44:45] preliminary conceptual plans once we got

[44:47] into it we would go through a few

[44:48] scenarios and I anticipate they would

[44:51] make it through to Adam up to the

[44:52] commission here. you all would look at a

[44:54] couple of different options and conclude

[44:56] what fits your value structure for the

[44:59] use of your real estate.

[45:01] >> Great.

[45:02] >> But it was parking is has been on the

[45:04] list.

[45:05] >> That's great. Thank you.

[45:08] I I would I'm just going to spend some

[45:11] time on this. I know how to find you and

[45:13] uh if I have other questions, I can do

[45:15] that.

[45:15] >> Okay. Very good.

[45:19] Mason,

[45:20] >> just a design choice. Is the um are you

[45:24] planning the dock to be enclosing the

[45:27] swim space or just kind of sidearming

[45:30] it? Th

[45:31] >> this concept is actually an enclosed

[45:33] swim space and and Adam alluded to it a

[45:36] little bit. There's erosion that occurs

[45:38] on the beach and then there's the

[45:39] erosion that is occurred where there's

[45:42] shoreline stabilization. And so one of

[45:44] the ways to deal with that is to

[45:46] mitigate how much wave action gets to

[45:49] the beach. One of the things you can't

[45:52] see in this is when you do a peer dock

[45:54] here, you have the opportunity to run

[45:56] wave attenuators down the face of the

[45:58] pylan. So when the wave comes in, it

[46:02] actually hits below the dock, but it's

[46:05] hitting the batter boards that are

[46:08] attached to the face of the fixed

[46:10] piling. So the waves don't actually make

[46:12] their way into the shoreline here. So

[46:14] you're building both an enclosed swim

[46:17] area which protects the swimmers from

[46:20] the Boers. Uh but you're also building a

[46:22] wave attenuator to to start to reduce

[46:24] how much wave action actually gets to

[46:26] the beach. And then the third thing Adam

[46:29] alluded to is um the docks don't have to

[46:32] be removed during the low water. you do

[46:35] end up creating a situation where now

[46:38] when the water goes down you have that fall hazard which we haven't

[46:42] completely thought that through. So

[46:44] we'll still have to think that through

[46:45] from a kind of a permitting issue and

[46:47] whether that means the you attempt to

[46:50] prevent people to go out there doing low

[46:52] water which of course you probably can't

[46:53] do because people will find a way to get

[46:55] around if you had these gated on each

[46:57] end. Um but it would be a design level

[47:00] detail we'd work through. But yes, they

[47:02] are continuous around that um swim area.

[47:05] >> And then for the gazebo, are you

[47:07] planning on just like putting in a room

[47:09] for the restroom or taking the whole

[47:10] thing down and rebuilding a new one?

[47:12] >> Again, very conceptual. This shows the

[47:14] restrooms tucked into the existing

[47:16] gazebo. I anticipate we probably

[47:18] wouldn't do that because it would

[47:19] consume too much space. Um the you could

[47:22] imagine the restrooms being constructed

[47:24] either adjacent to the gazebo um or in a

[47:28] separate location.

[47:30] And I and I think when we started

[47:31] working on these with Will, he he wanted

[47:34] to just generate a few ideas to test the

[47:36] waters initially with Adam, secondarily

[47:39] with the commission. And if there was a

[47:41] little bit of head nodding, um it would

[47:44] make it back to the Ignite board. Um

[47:47] start on conceptual design very high

[47:49] level. um and then come back to the

[47:52] commission a couple of times and then

[47:54] move into preliminary design and and

[47:56] really move forward with it. So, I

[47:58] anticipate those restrooms will end up

[48:00] where Adam and Barry think that they're

[48:02] most functional in that space.

[48:05] >> Okay. Thank you.

[48:06] >> Well, Phil, I think you you answered

[48:08] [clears throat] the question I was going

[48:09] to ask on what you saw as the next steps

[48:12] the process. So, um

[48:15] I like it.

[48:18] I think it'd be be a good use of those

[48:19] funds and and especially in a facility

[48:22] where it's sorely needed.

[48:25] >> I think it's been on the list for a

[48:26] while and and I know when Will took over

[48:28] for Tony Burns, he was actively looking

[48:31] for ways to keep keep these projects

[48:34] rolling that provided a a community

[48:36] benefit and also met the urban renewal

[48:39] requirements.

[48:40] >> I know historically this park has been

[48:42] really heavily used. There's been a lot

[48:44] of multif family development kind of in

[48:47] that corridor with a proportion of park

[48:50] space kind of not keeping up with that

[48:51] until Atlas Park came along. So, um

[48:56] >> you know it

[48:58] >> gets its use.

[49:00] >> A side question. When is the pathway

[49:03] between Atlas and Mil Creek going to

[49:05] open up?

[49:07] >> I don't know that I can answer that.

[49:08] Adam might know that better.

[49:11] I'll have to get back to you on that. I

[49:13] know I've talked to I talked with Monty

[49:15] and well Monty, our previous trails

[49:17] coordinator, and Shane, who is our

[49:18] current trails coordinator. Uh, we've

[49:20] been talking about that. I know that

[49:22] that's in the work. I'm not sure if

[49:24] that's a Chris Meyer thing, which I

[49:26] think it is part of some of their

[49:28] improvements. So, um, if that covers

[49:31] that whole distance, uh, then that's

[49:33] that project is underway. Yeah. So, this

[49:37] would get us, I think, fully connected

[49:39] all the way out to Hutter, uh, which is

[49:41] kind of cool, especially with this

[49:43] getting redone. Then you've got kind of

[49:45] this continuous path to all of these

[49:47] parks and that whole system.

[49:48] >> Yeah, it's phenomenal.

[49:49] >> All the way into downtown, which is pretty rare, right? It's kind

[49:54] of a super and it's all for the most

[49:56] part all waterfront access, too, right?

[49:58] So,

[50:02] » okay. Okay. Very good. Any more

[50:04] questions? Thank you, Phil. Appreciate

[50:06] it.

[50:09] Okay. Um kind of wrapping up our agenda

[50:12] here tonight. Um

[50:15] give any of the commissioners last

[50:17] opportunity to make any comments.

[50:20] Okay. Then I'll make the last

[50:22] announcement. Then our next regular

[50:24] meeting will be Monday, October 19th,

[50:27] 5:30 p.m. right here in the library

[50:29] community room. And with that, I'll

[50:31] entertain a motion for adjournment.

[50:34] >> Second.

[50:36] So moved. Okay. [laughter]

[50:37] >> Now the second.

[50:39] >> Okay. Motion's been made by Commissioner

[50:41] Hill and seconded by Commissioner

[50:42] Toddost. All in favor of German.

[50:45] >> I.

[50:46] >> Thank you everybody.

[50:48] >> Thank you.

[50:48] >> Have a good week.

City of Coeur d'Alene - Parks and Recreation Commission - September 14, 2026

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