[0:09] the meeting to order we have uh it's

[0:12] February 13th 4

[0:15] pm agaw committee for the

[0:19] bza um members present is commissioner

[0:22] Dennis hunt commissioner Joseph Hodge

[0:25] and myself commissioner Laura

[0:27] Nettles um

[0:30] have y'all uh had a chance to look make

[0:32] a motion to approve the agenda okay now

[0:38] second first and second all those in

[0:40] favor I I I um any public

[0:45] comments no public comments at this

[0:49] time okay um to approve and modify

[0:54] previous minutes the previous minutes

[0:55] have y'all had a chance to look at

[0:58] that

[1:01] so these are what you submitted right

[1:04] okay

[1:06] yes okay on January 26th I submitted

[1:24] these okay I'll make a motion that we

[1:27] accept those second to approve the

[1:30] minuts all those in favor I

[1:35] approved now on to business um in our

[1:39] last meeting uh we all agreed to um

[1:44] request the last 15 years from the

[1:47] January

[1:49] bza

[1:51] meetings and we have those here current

[1:54] correction we ask

[1:56] for full legislative body there you go

[2:00] that's not the bza not the bza meeting

[2:02] the full legislative body meeting for J each January right correct for the

[2:07] last 15 years and uh commissioner hunt

[2:11] put in that request and we have those

[2:13] here and we're going to be taking a look

[2:15] at those this evening

[2:18] to

[2:28] review all right the these are the

[2:31] minutes provided by the

[2:34] clerk is that right yes that's right

[2:39] okay and

[2:42] my intent for requesting these the

[2:46] motion that I made to request is is

[2:49] committee assignments nominations and uh

[2:53] approvals for committees are

[2:56] made in January uh right especially the

[3:03] subject committee the board of zoning

[3:06] appeals so I felt like if we go back

[3:10] through the last at least last 15 years

[3:14] we may find we have to dig deeper to be

[3:17] honest with you but right now maybe

[3:19] we'll find what happened that uh

[3:23] precipitated

[3:24] this

[3:26] uh

[3:27] erroneous member

[3:30] term exploration that we're faced with

[3:32] right now because we got three

[3:35] members

[3:37] who own by record say that their term

[3:40] expired this year so okay anyway I think

[3:45] if we take these one month at a

[3:48] time uh looks like the oldest one we

[3:53] ought to start with the newest one and

[3:55] go backwards is my

[3:57] opinion so you think we are not start

[4:00] 2009 or go back to the very we need to

[4:03] start with the newest okay and go

[4:06] backwards is my opinion I think we'll

[4:10] find the

[4:13] discrepancy a long way hopefully

[4:23] okay

[4:25] and when we when we are reviewing these

[4:30] mhm if you notice uh I think I'm looking

[4:35] in my foldo to see if I have that

[4:38] committee list yeah I've got mine

[4:41] committee list I got it right here too

[4:44] uh we don't have the January 24 minutes

[4:47] those probably weren't necessary not

[4:50] necessary because the bza was not dealt

[4:52] with in Jan January

[4:55] 24th I got

[4:58] you all right

[5:00] I want I want to take a second okay to

[5:04] the the board of zoning

[5:07] appeals right now the members are

[5:11] myself commissioner Dennis hunt Tim

[5:15] Morris commissioner as well L

[5:19] Duke Kevin sop Sammy Morton

[5:23] JR are all full bza board the board

[5:28] members have

[5:30] debellis is the an associate member and

[5:34] as our as our zoning

[5:39] resolution

[5:41] requires Dennis

[5:44] hunt represents the Planning

[5:48] Commission on the board of zoning

[5:50] appeals Tim Morris

[5:53] represents the full legislative

[5:57] body Samy Morton Jr

[6:00] represents the full-time farmer those

[6:03] are the only three positions that must

[6:06] be that you must have one member from

[6:09] the Planning Commission you must have

[6:11] one member from the full legislative

[6:13] body a commissioner and you must have

[6:15] one full-time farmer the other two can

[6:18] be normal people the way I like to put

[6:21] it right right and we and we do have an

[6:24] associate member and Helen debellis

[6:27] fills that position in in the event that

[6:30] any one of those five members do not uh

[6:34] show up for a meeting the associate

[6:36] member can uh participate and vote as a

[6:41] full member does uh and as an example of

[6:45] the importance of associate member our

[6:47] very last Board of zoning appeals

[6:50] meeting only two full members showed up

[6:54] plus Miss de Bellis the associate member

[6:57] so those three individual did make up a

[7:00] quorum where we could go ahead and uh

[7:04] and conduct business okay all right now

[7:07] having said that TCA

[7:12] requires any any commission board or

[7:17] committee by TCA requirements says a

[7:21] member must be a commissioner a member

[7:26] of the full legislative body or if our

[7:28] if we have a resolution that

[7:32] requires a member of a committee must be

[7:36] a full legislative body or

[7:41] commissioner if you if those if that is

[7:44] a requirement for any board commission

[7:47] or

[7:48] committee during an election cycle if a

[7:52] member of the board commissioner

[7:54] committee does not run or is not

[7:58] successful when being reelected any of

[8:02] the committees or boards or commissions

[8:05] that they serve on that requires that

[8:08] membership to be a commissioner that

[8:11] seat is automatically vacant at that

[8:14] point in time so but these members here

[8:18] according to what this says are the bza

[8:20] is appointed by the Planning

[8:23] Commission or does that mean the

[8:25] commission the the clb the clb so who

[8:29] appoints them the full legislative body okay so by

[8:33] nomination from the floor okay that is

[8:37] that that one is not by the mayor

[8:41] Planning Commission members is an

[8:43] appointment by the mayor of the County

[8:46] uh conf confirmed by the full

[8:48] legislative okay the board of zoning

[8:51] appeals is uh they're trying to take

[8:54] politics out of this is the most this is

[8:56] the most uh well I've explained it so

[9:00] many times the board of zoning appeals

[9:02] makes binding decisions right only a

[9:05] court canot return their R only a court

[9:08] can the uh decisions can be overturned

[9:11] okay so well I was just trying to

[9:12] clarify the commission here appointed by

[9:14] the commission that means the clb yes

[9:17] the entire legislative body the full

[9:19] legisl commiss all right okay now I'm getting somewhere with all of this

[9:25] uh I'm leading up to Tim

[9:28] Morris

[9:29] when commissioner Bobby Bryan uh failed

[9:33] to be reelected in this last election

[9:37] cycle he was a member of the board of

[9:40] zoning appeals so his seat automatically

[9:44] became vacant and we nominated Tim

[9:48] Morris as commissioner because Bobby

[9:51] Bryan represented the member uh

[9:54] requirement of the full legislative body

[9:58] so commissioner Tim

[10:00] Morris was nominated and

[10:03] approved uh should be January 23 minutes

[10:07] I think you'll find that that's when

[10:09] that took place all right so having said

[10:13] that this is one of these things we have

[10:16] to determine when did commissioner

[10:20] Brian get nominated and approved for the

[10:24] board of zoning appeals when would his

[10:27] term have normally his fiveyear term

[10:30] normally expired right commissioner

[10:32] Morris is only going to uh finish the uh

[10:37] term Bobby had started so see those are some of the things that we got

[10:43] to look at that's how I think a lot of

[10:46] this got messed up and if you note it

[10:49] says Tim Moore's term expires in the

[10:51] year 2030 yeah he serves to Long uh

[10:54] that's that's I don't know how that

[10:57] happened I have no idea how that

[11:00] happened but uh we've got to figure all

[11:02] this out so okay I think we need to

[11:06] start if

[11:07] everybody's uh looking at January 23 I'm

[11:12] hoping we can see

[11:17] the has anybody seen the bza yes on the

[11:20] second page bottom uh second page at the

[11:23] bot yeah hunt nominated Tim Morris yeah

[11:26] as commissioner appointment and hen Bell

[11:29] associate as the associate all right I

[11:32] I'm starting notes I'm hoping y'all are

[11:35] too yeah January of

[11:39] 23 Tim Morris was appointed

[11:42] to uh fulfill the term of former

[11:47] commissioner Bobby

[11:49] Bryan so we need to make that

[11:57] note hey he's to feel the remainder of

[12:01] Bobby Bryan's

[12:16] term so to figure that out we'd have to

[12:18] find out when Bobby Bryant was a we'll

[12:20] run across it as we go backwards that's

[12:23] what I'm

[12:24] hoping that is definitely what I'm

[12:26] hoping and I sort of think that's how we

[12:29] uh like you know you would think logic

[12:35] might have somebody automatically put

[12:37] five years on Tim mors right then yeah

[12:40] 2028 is what it should have been if you

[12:44] were using that logic but that would not

[12:47] be correct right he just we all agree on

[12:50] that right all right so

[12:53] now okay so that appointment would be to

[12:56] fulfill and it wouldn't just be starting

[13:00] new that's correct it would just be

[13:02] that's correct finishing out to fill the

[13:07] remainder

[13:14] sure it

[13:16] would to fulfill the remainder of the

[13:21] seat vacated by commissioner

[13:27] Brian well that get real confusing if it would seem like at the election I

[13:32] mean I I don't know all of the

[13:34] guidelines for appointing those but it

[13:35] would seem like if the commissioner was

[13:38] not reelected and you appointed a new

[13:40] commissioner they would assume a

[13:42] five-year

[13:44] St no okay that's not the statute reachs

[13:49] you would uh it's to fulfill the

[13:53] remaining term of the vacated seat if

[13:57] you didn't that's that's what gets you

[13:59] in a mess we have to we must have one

[14:06] member term expiring each calendar year

[14:11] one yeah can't have two can't have three

[14:14] that's TCA and our own zoning resolution

[14:18] so that's why okay you can't have

[14:21] somebody starting a fiveyear term when

[14:23] they're actually finishing up somebody

[14:25] else's fiveyear term had only got one

[14:28] year left after two or something that's

[14:31] what I think we're going to find is

[14:32] created this problem well another

[14:35] problem is if you've got Commissioners

[14:37] that are going four years and they this

[14:39] is a five-year term you're going to

[14:41] always have this problem that's not

[14:44] always well you're going to most of the

[14:46] time you're going to have the same

[14:47] problem not always because then you're

[14:49] going to have to elect someone to

[14:51] fulfill a one-year stand here's the key

[14:53] word

[14:54] reappointment so many people get

[14:57] reappointed and that's why I think

[15:02] that the the commissioner

[15:06] term like let's say I've got three years

[15:10] left as a commissioner I'm on the

[15:14] bza I'm not a commissioner after the

[15:17] next election

[15:18] cycle I can be moved to uh if if I'm the

[15:24] commissioner representing the Comm I'm

[15:26] not I'm representing the Planning

[15:28] Commission I don't have to

[15:31] be a commissioner to be on the Planning

[15:33] Commission okay

[15:37] so when I'm no longer a

[15:40] commissioner the full legislative body

[15:43] may say well let's appoint Dennis in the

[15:47] position from the Planning Commission if

[15:49] I was the one doing the commission it

[15:51] gets complicated well that's what I'm

[15:53] trying to say I don't think I don't

[15:54] think you're going to have this problem

[15:57] every single election CLE well but it's

[16:00] set up to be problems I mean the the

[16:02] pattern is going to be a problem and

[16:04] what I'd like to see where's the where's

[16:07] the TCA for this uh tennessy code

[16:10] annotated where is that for this or does

[16:12] this I gave you a copy was that the last

[16:14] time meeting okay all right I have a

[16:16] copy of those if you need it well that

[16:19] would be something that we need to look

[16:20] at uh I know we need to find certain

[16:22] people and but this whole thing of

[16:24] fiveyear term when you especially when

[16:27] you've got commit commers CU that's

[16:29] going to that's just going to be a

[16:30] problem because you got Commissioners

[16:32] just four years at best you're going to

[16:34] have them serving only four of the

[16:35] fiveyear term then you're going to have

[16:37] to apply another guy for onee term and

[16:39] then another guy after that I mean it's going to be a mess it just looks

[16:44] like the pattern is a

[16:45] [Laughter]

[16:50] mess I'm just in prevent of

[16:56] Maintenance I think that's TCA okay this

[16:59] is the okay this is the TCA okay we

[17:02] should be back uh I'm on 2022 minut

[17:07] right now trying to figure out all right

[17:09] let's see 2022 Let's see we can go back

[17:13] and find all this then come back and

[17:14] look at this other later but I I was

[17:16] just really interested in going back and

[17:17] yeah comparing that yeah right now we

[17:20] need to figure out how we're going to

[17:22] fix this with the rules as they are

[17:25] we're not here to change the rules we

[17:28] here to comply with the rules okay yeah

[17:38] absolutely so go back to

[17:42] 22 here's I found Planning Commission

[17:46] okay what page the about the third page no it's more than that I'm in

[17:54] 22 okay one two three four the fifth

[17:59] page second paragraph down right is

[18:05] uh that's

[18:07] AG wait a

[18:09] minute I might be on the fourth page

[18:13] I've done lost

[18:21] it

[18:23] there's I was just looking at Planning

[18:27] Commission

[18:33] lot of minut on now it is m i see the

[18:38] strategic planning that's what made that

[18:40] might have caught my eye no here it is

[18:43] I've got it right here motion made by or

[18:46] executed by def4 to reappoint Steve

[18:49] Cunningham to the Coffee County Planning

[18:51] Commission the motion was approve 18

[18:56] yes one two

[19:00] three four five six the six page which

[19:04] is one page from the last I think no

[19:08] actually this thirdd page from the

[19:11] back that's the Planning Commission

[19:14] right generally speaking we would deal

[19:17] with the

[19:18] bza right around the time we're dealing

[19:21] with the Planning Commission

[19:23] appointments but I don't see bza at

[19:27] all

[19:30] see it would be a very small paragraph

[19:32] just like that

[19:57] one

[20:21] probably should have asked her to give

[20:23] us a copy of the

[20:25] agenda because the agenda would say

[20:29] uh what order it came in uh what members

[20:33] what committee appointments were to be

[20:35] made I don't see just

[20:39] purchasing beer

[20:42] board railroads and bridges capital

[20:49] outlay r solid

[20:54] w c solid was planning regional

[21:00] board investment

[21:03] committee who's till stubberfield who's

[21:07] till in stubberfield is that Tim that's

[21:09] Tim's daddy that's Tim's Dad okay yeah

[21:12] okay good EMA

[21:18] board

[21:24] ethics

[21:27] AED veterans representative County

[21:32] Corner industrial

[21:42] board Planning

[21:46] Commission strategic

[21:55] planning yeah uh I'm I've done went

[21:59] through all the committee appointments

[22:02] MH yeah I didn't see it personally I did

[22:05] not see

[22:06] it22 would y'all agree that in 2022

[22:10] there was no appointments to the bza

[22:14] made yes there's no record of

[22:25] that see there there's one hiccup right

[22:29] there right there should have been there

[22:31] should have been

[22:35] one or just where it came for approval

[22:38] of the full commission do what now or

[22:40] just where it came to approval for the

[22:42] full commission it should have been

[22:43] there for approval by the full

[22:45] commission somebody should have come

[22:49] off and either reappoint or replace one

[22:53] or the

[22:54] other so

[22:56] uh

[23:02] okay and I wish these were numbered so

[23:06] we make sure we didn't miss a page

[23:09] anywhere because these Pages aren't

[23:11] numbered so we don't know if we missed a

[23:13] page but that's

[23:15] okay okay now

[23:26] 21

[23:56] that was me I'm sorry I'm glad you're

[23:58] did that because I haven't muted

[24:07] mine all right in

[24:09] 21 appr this is a short

[24:13] meeting I's see right here on second

[24:16] page I see motion B by Cunningham and

[24:18] second and by or to appoint Randy Harold

[24:20] to the

[24:21] planning replacing Chris

[24:24] Anderson who

[24:26] term third P second page second page

[24:30] Dear Boy Road second 911 plan commission

[24:36] I remember when that happened

[24:44] EMA see that's Planning Commission yeah

[24:47] Planning Commission um V so his Chris

[24:50] Anderson's term expir so I would thought

[24:54] it would have been right around there

[24:56] well it appears

[24:59] there was no

[25:03] bza in 21 if you looked at the following

[25:08] February of each of those years and

[25:10] maybe it was overlooked or couldn't be

[25:11] done or wasn't brought and would have

[25:13] been approved in a in a later one could

[25:15] that have happened I just don't think

[25:17] that's going to be found but we're

[25:20] sitting in a year where this is like

[25:24] this we didn't make a Planning

[25:27] Commission

[25:28] appointment or confirmation nor did we

[25:31] make a bza appointment or confirmation

[25:34] in January of

[25:37] 24 but it's always been done in January

[25:41] prior to

[25:43] that so there's

[25:46] two consecutive years and see if y'all

[25:49] remember in

[25:51] 20

[25:54] three when I nominated Tim Morris

[25:58] Claud Morris nominated Helen

[26:01] debellis and I made my little

[26:05] speech saying guys this feels just a

[26:09] little bit different because the board

[26:11] of zoning appeals is totally controlled

[26:15] by the legislative body doesn't come

[26:18] from

[26:20] the the mayor's office right

[26:24] and that in itself is probably what has

[26:28] created this issue is because

[26:32] we we have not done due diligence as a

[26:37] legislative body to address the bza

[26:40] every year we just wait for somebody to

[26:42] throw a packet in front of us and we

[26:44] deal with what's laid in front of us

[26:46] when it's our

[26:47] responsibility as a full legislative

[26:50] body to appoint and approve the board of

[26:53] zoning appeal

[26:55] membership and I think we've done found

[26:58] two problems already yeah two years in a

[27:01] row it wasn't addressed at least not in

[27:03] January

[27:06] yeah

[27:09] so if you go to the second page on

[27:14] 2020 I think number go down to the about

[27:17] the six or six yeah there was a motion

[27:21] made by Miller and second by ort to

[27:23] reappoint Dennis hunt and Bobby Bryan to

[27:26] the bza

[27:28] okay that whose terms expire in 2020 so

[27:32] they're just going to reappoint y'all

[27:35] because y'all both of y'all's terms it

[27:36] says was going to expire in 2020 how was

[27:40] how would both of y'all's expired in

[27:43] 2020 like I said but that fits with but

[27:47] that fits with the latest list where

[27:49] you're

[27:50] 2025 if you're going to go for a 5year

[27:52] period And if they're appointing you in

[27:54] 2020 that makes sense yeah somebody

[27:56] wrote that down right right didn't

[28:00] M so is that on the second page it's on

[28:03] the second page uhuh about let's see one

[28:04] two three four five six will paragraph

[28:07] down small paragraph yeah okay I'm going

[28:11] try start by that Mark

[28:14] that all right so January of

[28:20] 2020 you were reappointed that's why

[28:22] yours is correct

[28:26] 2025

[28:28] so if Bobby was reappointed in 2020 then

[28:32] that means Tim Morris would have to go

[28:35] by the

[28:37] 2020 until we figure out why there was

[28:41] two expiring in 20 20 20 that's right but yeah but you see that's when

[28:47] Bobby was reappointed too 2020 so you

[28:50] are Tim's feeling that you're correct

[28:53] but this ain't

[28:55] yeah yeah

[29:05] but each everyone except the associate

[29:09] member is supposed well even the

[29:10] associate member is supposed to roll off

[29:12] one is supposed to roll off every year

[29:14] once a year mm so yeah but even even

[29:17] with there's six on there the Associates

[29:19] on there so if everyone if one rolls off

[29:22] every five years then see that's messed

[29:24] up too because you've got six on the

[29:25] board yeah the the associate member is

[29:30] the way I felt like everybody has

[29:34] approached it is just a floating

[29:38] member that's the only time I can

[29:41] remember when uh when um Miss dellis

[29:45] actually got to vote on business that's

[29:47] the only time I remember an associate

[29:50] member doing that but I'm sure it's

[29:54] happened I was associate member when I

[29:56] first got a

[30:01] appointed it would be nice if we could

[30:04] find the

[30:05] local

[30:07] uh when this was established the

[30:10] bza because the information here is like

[30:13] it was initially established and how to

[30:15] start the initial board right so you got

[30:19] to remember that uh what we have to go

[30:23] by is our current zoning resolution

[30:27] which was revised in

[30:30] 2006 but we were dealing with zoning

[30:33] prior to that I wasn't in government I

[30:35] can't attest to what was done or how

[30:37] they did it and I don't know that we'd

[30:40] be able to go back that far but I'm

[30:42] assuming that little sentence right

[30:44] there happened prior to 2006 yeah that

[30:48] was like I said that was a sentence

[30:50] termin with those terminology of that

[30:52] description there would fit an initial

[30:55] beginning of the board

[30:58] probably I can't I can't argue with that

[31:01] I'd say you're right it says but here's

[31:04] our zoning resolution it

[31:07] says the board of zoning appeal shall

[31:10] consist of five members appointed by the

[31:13] Coffee County Commission the board

[31:16] members shall be appointed to fiveyear

[31:20] terms however the initial appointments

[31:23] shall be arranged so that one member

[31:26] will expire

[31:27] each year okay that's if we would start

[31:31] from scratch with this language you'd

[31:33] have okay number one you're going to

[31:35] have a one-year term number two you're

[31:37] going to have a two-year term number

[31:38] three you're going to have a three-year

[31:39] ter number four you're going to have

[31:40] four number five you're going to have

[31:41] five that's how it would have been

[31:44] handled initially by this language I'm

[31:47] going to say that language that we're

[31:49] looking at on that uh committee

[31:52] membership list is probably language

[31:56] that was done in 2004 2001 who knows

[32:01] right what I do know is this is current

[32:04] and the TCA rules uh that would it not

[32:08] have been applied at that designation

[32:12] there when that was accepted that they

[32:14] have not reassigned all the people to

[32:17] this board you would

[32:18] think you and I weren't there okay we

[32:21] don't know okay I just I was just asking

[32:24] if anybody knew so yeah okay

[32:27] but we did find out in 2020 that you and

[32:31] Bobby Bryant were reappointed for

[32:33] fiveyear terms in 20120 yeah you know

[32:37] after we figured this

[32:38] out uh

[32:41] TCA says we have to have have to have

[32:46] three or five can't have four can't have

[32:50] two can't have six it must be three or

[32:55] five now if you're

[32:57] I'm reading this handout this the the

[33:00] county legislative body shall be the

[33:03] appointing power of the members

[33:07] okay of such board appeals and may fix

[33:10] their

[33:11] compensation and their terms which terms

[33:15] shall be of such length and so arranged

[33:18] that the term of one member will expire

[33:21] each year we have the latitude if you

[33:25] will to change the this 5year

[33:28] term uh that's in our zoning resolution

[33:33] that's our language

[33:36] uh TCA says we can fix the term we can

[33:40] make it 10year ter we could make it any

[33:43] but we got to fix it where one member

[33:45] expires each year all right you got to

[33:47] have a roll off yeah so okay well we can

[33:50] get to that point yeah we have to

[33:52] understand where we got to where we are

[33:54] now we got to make it fair we can't just

[33:56] I don't think we can just go wipe out

[33:58] all the memberships and start from

[34:00] scratch I mean uh these guys we've never

[34:03] our Planning Commission has a good track

[34:06] record our uh who only makes

[34:08] recommendations by the way they don't

[34:10] make binding decisions this board makes

[34:12] binding decisions we've never been

[34:15] challenged uh it's it's really a tough

[34:19] job and we've done a pretty good I mean

[34:21] well you wouldn't want to start from

[34:22] scratch anyway because you lose your

[34:23] brain trust and everybody that kind of

[34:25] sees what goes through it

[34:27] you're correct all right so I think we

[34:31] need to move to

[34:33] 2019 okay go to the second page and

[34:35] about six down I

[34:38] see y want to read that section

[34:42] okay to reappoint Kevin

[34:48] Cy L Duke there's all three of them the

[34:52] three that expire this year there they

[34:54] are three that's that's what happened is

[34:56] that year they were all three appointed

[34:58] mhm mhm so they were done and if they

[35:00] were trying to fill three expiring

[35:02] positions at that point they should have

[35:03] said okay you're going to do one you're

[35:05] going to do two and you're going to do

[35:06] three right but they were theyo they

[35:09] just put five years on every one of

[35:11] those okay so if they're being

[35:12] reappointed then that means they were

[35:14] already on there five years prior

[35:17] correct uh reappointed that's what that

[35:20] means I don't know about Sammy Morton JR

[35:23] but I'm think Lyal Duke had been on

[35:26] there prior to this

[35:28] date and I'm pretty sure Kevin sap had

[35:33] been on there prior to this

[35:37] date uh I I don't

[35:40] know if Sammy Morton was or not I just

[35:43] don't remember I think I was already

[35:46] there but I think I was I may have still

[35:48] been an associate member for all I know

[35:52] all right so well the way it's written

[35:54] it would say that they're all were

[35:56] already there because they it says they

[35:58] all were reappointed that's a good point

[36:01] so

[36:04] reappoint because it list all three of

[36:06] them yeah and and you and Bobby were

[36:08] reappointed so that means y'all had been

[36:09] on there probably since 2015 2015

[36:13] so okay so all right reappointed

[36:20] K S

[36:24] Morton and El Duke and that works then

[36:28] those four the 24 dates work yeah

[36:31] because they were all reappointed in

[36:33] 2019 that's five years so

[36:36] that's the math is right just not

[36:40] the just not how they all went on just

[36:43] not the process right we've got to

[36:46] Anchor the

[36:49] process okay well we're find

[36:51] clarification

[36:53] there let's keep going all right digs a

[36:57] little

[36:58] deeper

[37:00] 2018 you done found no not

[37:03] yet been quicker than me well I was

[37:06] scanning while y'all were talking a

[37:08] little bit and I was like

[37:12] okay British Beer board I wouldn't be

[37:18] purchasing I wouldn't be surprised if we

[37:20] don't see one coming off on

[37:25] 18

[37:29] there's appointment to the Planning

[37:30] Commission but I don't see the

[37:47] bza I don't see

[37:49] it not not an 18 at

[37:52] all yeah which that don't surprise me if

[37:55] they were just reappointed in 19 all

[37:58] three of them and they even talked about

[38:00] a resolution to reone some things but I

[38:02] don't see the bz egg bu it

[38:07] on I think it looks as though it got

[38:16] skipped I'm going to be willing to bet

[38:18] we're going to find back in 2015

[38:22] probably let's

[38:25] see

[38:30] we're going to

[38:33] find

[38:35] that the problem goes beyond 15

[38:48] years all right so we're back to 2017 is what I'm looking

[38:55] at

[39:01] judicial

[39:03] planed

[39:06] communication

[39:17] Industrials have appointment to the

[39:19] Planning

[39:25] Commission

[39:35] we just haven't

[39:36] been doing it have we don't look

[39:41] like I just don't see

[39:55] it

[40:06] well y'all didn't say one 2017

[40:12] no I did not

[40:19] see 2016 we're moving on

[40:25] here

[40:35] Capital outlay beer

[40:38] board

[40:41] purchasing County

[40:44] Corner ra roads and

[40:48] bridges

[40:53] 911 a

[40:55] ComEd

[40:58] Service

[40:59] Officer planning Carol Willis and Paul

[41:02] Elum to Planning

[41:10] Commission yeah and see those are

[41:12] fouryear terms those are but nobody can

[41:17] find that in print I mean we're not

[41:20] dealing with the Planning Commission I

[41:21] just find that unusual but our Planning

[41:24] Commission and I

[41:27] uh well there's a there's an active

[41:29] search underway for definition and

[41:31] responsibility of committees standing

[41:33] committees so that did I give you the

[41:35] one for Capital outlay did I give you

[41:37] that copy yes okay thought you brought

[41:40] that back into me

[41:43] yeah the uh one discussion that somebody

[41:48] suggested that the fiveyear terms were

[41:51] set up by by we made that decision prior

[41:56] to us when I say we the cof county uh

[41:58] commission to the bza needed politics

[42:03] should not have any

[42:05] political U overtones so that's why the

[42:10] mayor does not appoint and fiveyear

[42:15] terms uh goes beyond a four-year term

[42:19] of some legislative body members and the

[42:22] mayor you know when you get right down

[42:24] to it that the fiveyear term means that

[42:26] goes beyond election cycles and that's

[42:29] what somebody said I I would have not

[42:31] thought of that but it sort of made

[42:33] sense when they said

[42:35] it all right

[42:38] 2016 have y'all seen a bza appointment

[42:41] not yet I have

[42:48] not well that was dealt with a lot in

[42:51] that

[42:54] meeting but nothing busy

[43:25] y yeah I don't see

[43:27] it what's the

[43:29] PBA PBA public building authority that

[43:34] took care of

[43:36] our conference center a zoning

[43:38] resolution but there weren

[43:41] any what anything there so nothing in

[43:44] the

[43:50] 2016 all right

[43:55] 2015

[44:05] there's

[44:08] notaries

[44:09] purchasing beer

[44:25] board

[44:54] for

[44:56] rural roads and bridges agricultural

[45:02] committee County Corner

[45:07] Communications the adult orientation

[45:09] board Remains the

[45:13] Same I've even heard of that one

[45:24] lately appointments to the Planning

[45:26] Commission but not

[45:32] BCA this says

[45:35] this it's interesting because we're

[45:37] looking at all these committees and

[45:39] we're here to deal with one I know I

[45:41] hate this that I have to keep bringing

[45:43] but right here it says a motion made by

[45:47] Brian seconded by Kelly to approve Chris

[45:50] Anderson Lee Ducket and Allan Howard to

[45:53] the Planning Commission and I thought we just saw where Chris Anderson

[45:58] was appointed just a few ones back we

[46:01] did so he was going appointed to

[46:03] something well it was the Planning

[46:04] Commission was it then that was it yeah

[46:06] and uh we're not dealing with the

[46:09] Planning Commission but that and and

[46:11] that might end that might mean he was

[46:14] appointed to fill uh the remaining days

[46:17] of the term true

[46:22] yeah I know seeing Allen Howard's name I

[46:25] know

[46:26] he uh resigned from the Planning

[46:28] Commission at one point and I was

[46:32] appointed to take his place

[46:35] so there a interesting side

[46:40] note I still don't see anything here I

[46:44] don't see anything on bza you I do

[46:53] not and these minutes were approv

[46:55] approved in the following you know

[46:58] commission meeting so yeah if something

[47:00] was wrong someone would have caught it I

[47:03] mean like it instead of the Planning

[47:04] Commission it was the bza or something

[47:06] you know some mistake like that it would

[47:08] have been caught in a later should and

[47:10] updated yeah yeah it should the then

[47:13] these would have been revised correct

[47:16] I'm pretty sure she goes back oh

[47:20] yeah and amends when required because

[47:24] they're not official until they V voted

[47:26] on the next meeting and and looking

[47:28] through several of those today that they

[47:30] say revised so when they're yeah they've

[47:33] gone back and them they've revised them

[47:43] so we're back for my time now says mayor

[47:47] Pennington amended the agenda yall look

[47:50] at

[47:51] 2014 okay

[47:53] yeah so this was before four years

[47:59] yeah my first that was the election year

[48:03] I think I started in

[48:11] 15 that's that's not good man look at

[48:14] how many how many years there now since

[48:15] no one several years in in a row before

[48:20] anything was

[48:23] appointed beer board county corn

[48:40] roads here's another known the planning

[48:43] motion made to approve Allan Howard

[48:45] replacing Austin Anderson and Steve

[48:49] Cunningham replacing Forest frame to the

[48:52] Planning

[48:54] Commission

[49:00] Budget Finance oh here we

[49:03] go Motion made by Brian and seconded by

[49:07] Ducket for the following members to

[49:10] remain the same on the board of zoning

[49:14] appeals

[49:16] Connie Larry Gary cordale LEL Duke Kevin

[49:22] sou Sam Morton and Bobby

[49:33] bran that's one two three four five six

[49:37] so it does not say who was the associate

[49:41] and who which five was the full members

[49:45] but I would like to point out Sam

[49:50] Morton the late Sam Morton that's be I

[49:54] think he passed away during his term and

[50:00] Samy Morton JR was uh confirmed to

[50:05] replace his father and I bet you that

[50:09] will not be found in a January meeting

[50:12] it would be found right uh during the the fiscal year sometime or the

[50:18] calendar

[50:19] year when Mr Morton passed

[50:24] away

[50:28] sometime in that 2014 maybe

[50:31] year between that and 2015 maybe he did

[50:35] had to be

[50:36] yeah so we

[50:39] know Lal Duke and Kevin thy who are

[50:42] current members were there in

[50:46] 2014 we know they were there prior to

[50:49] 2014 because there it says the following

[50:53] members to remain the same

[51:02] right

[51:12] so now and and you want see we don't

[51:16] really know why what they mean the

[51:18] same so are they reappointed all at the

[51:22] same time and now they all have fiveyear

[51:24] terms that's good question question so

[51:26] we don't know what they mean by that re

[51:29] to remain the same well we don't know

[51:30] how long they've been there we all know

[51:33] they were there at that point I guess we

[51:36] need to see the standing committee list

[51:40] at that time

[51:42] yeah that's not a standing

[51:46] committee the board is zoning appeals is

[51:48] not a standing committee okay it's still

[51:51] on your list you're going to have

[51:53] committee list okay right but a standing

[51:55] committee is made up of full legislative

[51:57] body members only okay see in the

[52:01] bza uh it only requires one it can have

[52:06] it let's see I get planning and the bza

[52:09] mixed up like the Planning Commission

[52:12] can have as many full legislative bodies

[52:15] members as we approve as long as they

[52:18] don't make up the

[52:21] majority so of uh seven members there

[52:24] can't be four four legislative body

[52:26] members there can be

[52:28] three all right the board of zoning

[52:31] appeals says

[52:34] one one must be must one and then

[52:38] another must be from the Planning

[52:40] Commission so forth so forth well I

[52:43] noticed that in 2014 these were all made

[52:48] you know members to remain the same yep

[52:50] but three of

[52:52] those were re reappointed in 2019 and I

[52:57] know it says it doesn't say junior on

[52:58] Sammy Morton but it does say reappoint

[53:02] Sammy Morton Jun and that's five years

[53:04] from from 14 to 19 so those three were

[53:08] in five years were reappointed those

[53:10] three were and then Bobby was

[53:13] reappointed the next year in 15 H and

[53:17] then you were added in

[53:24] 15

[53:31] bab

[53:54] burn

[54:07] it doesn't look like they've got

[54:09] somebody coming off every year do I it

[54:13] just doesn't look like they've got

[54:14] somebody coming off every year it look

[54:16] like I don't know we haven't run ACR we

[54:19] have not run across one meeting in

[54:22] January where they appointed one member

[54:25] have we no no we've it's been multiple

[54:29] members when they have been

[54:31] reappointed so someone hasn't been

[54:33] reading and exactly and remember we're supposed to be complying with our

[54:40] own zoning resolution which was

[54:45] uh what's that read 06 06 8 years prior

[54:50] to this right

[54:54] here all right on 13 on page two it's

[54:57] one two three

[54:59] four five six

[55:05] down Connie Larry Gary Cordell and Bobby

[55:16] Bryan Ain that something you

[55:21] have three members approved that year

[55:25] yep those same three members were

[55:28] approved the next year

[55:54] yep

[56:03] this is co this is so convoluted at this

[56:07] point we're just going to have who's the

[56:09] oldest folks on the

[56:12] commission and I mean suggest a you know

[56:15] here's where we need to start and start

[56:17] with that

[56:19] description and then start this and make

[56:22] sure we do it every year from now on I

[56:24] mean this is this is so convoluted how

[56:26] are you going to figure all this check

[56:27] it all

[56:28] out because it hasn't been done right

[56:32] yet in in uh let's see we're 2014 yeah

[56:37] 11 years it hasn't been done right in 11

[56:44] years this is embarrassing

[56:49] folks well we can't dis we cannot take

[56:53] responsibility for the

[56:55] mistakes that we can take responsibility

[56:59] for correcting if we do it right if we

[57:01] do it right and and it's like I said and

[57:04] be fair yeah well it's like I said we

[57:06] might I mean we could do a lottery put

[57:08] all their names in a hat and draw them

[57:10] out and do it that way but I don't have

[57:12] any idea who has the most experience

[57:15] we'd have to depend on you two for who

[57:17] has the most experience and and try to

[57:18] line it up and make sure we F fulfill

[57:20] the other guidelines on

[57:23] here all right here 2012 I've already

[57:28] found on approved L Duke and Kevin

[57:32] S and it says Bobby Bryan as an

[57:34] associate member and also Bobby Bryan is

[57:36] an associate man it's the first time

[57:38] we've seen that it is except for H and

[57:41] deil so all

[57:44] right now this is on the second page it

[57:47] is about the

[57:48] seventh third paragraph

[57:51] up okay it gotcha okay Kevin

[57:55] [Music]

[57:57] S L

[58:09] Duke and B associate and and you wonder if they

[58:15] say oh we haven't done this so we need

[58:17] to get this done and if they did approve

[58:19] it and they did set it up staggered but

[58:21] they didn't record it that it was set up

[58:23] staggered mhm we have to go back and

[58:25] maybe look at like this sheet of the

[58:29] committee and see if they staggered them

[58:31] at the time they were elected because

[58:32] it's not indicated

[58:34] here we're gonna have to have Miss

[58:37] Teresa to give us some more reports

[58:39] aren't

[58:41] we yeah I think it just how deep do we

[58:44] want to dig they don't look like they've

[58:47] been doing it so it's just I thank you I

[58:50] we might have to I don't see anybody

[58:52] following the guidelines of our own so

[58:53] we may have to we we might just have to

[58:56] suggest something to the commission and

[58:59] let them vote on that or change it as

[59:01] that will we can

[59:05] take take the members that are

[59:09] there and

[59:13] uh somebody's going to need to expire this

[59:19] year basically and another name for next

[59:22] year another name for the following year

[59:25] and we should make a uh the the our

[59:29] zoning resolution does not speak to the

[59:34] associate

[59:38] member

[59:42] so uh regarding the

[59:46] term

[59:47] um unless we want to make that

[59:52] clarification well there again that

[59:55] that'd be hard to do be hard to have six

[59:58] one coming off every year when they

[1:00:00] 5year

[1:00:01] return

[1:00:06] yeah all right we're in

[1:00:08] 2011 well we're at least one thing we're

[1:00:11] going to figure out we're going to

[1:00:12] figure out who's been there the longest

[1:00:14] right right yes at least at least

[1:00:20] that and if the commission approves this

[1:00:23] then we're going to have have to send

[1:00:25] letters to those people asking them to

[1:00:28] this is what we found and asking them

[1:00:31] would they agree to the new

[1:00:34] setup because some of them you know like

[1:00:37] I

[1:00:39] said well I think everybody on that

[1:00:43] board agrees that it's it's uh we have

[1:00:48] oversight the full legislative body has

[1:00:51] oversight on this and if if if the full

[1:00:55] legislative body votes and agrees on it

[1:00:59] um I don't I know all of them pretty

[1:01:02] good I don't think anybody on the border

[1:01:04] zoning Fields would have a problem with

[1:01:06] fixing a problem

[1:01:12] no yeah let's let's do it by the book

[1:01:15] folks let's set it up and do

[1:01:19] it do you all see anything in

[1:01:23] 11

[1:01:25] yeah hindes requested to include Board

[1:01:27] of zoning appeals next

[1:01:30] January and the jail inspection

[1:01:33] committee should be

[1:01:34] presented by the law enforcement

[1:01:36] committee that was it's like yes on the

[1:01:40] fourth H requested to include board it's

[1:01:44] like they

[1:01:47] never talked about board is owning

[1:01:49] appeals or they didn't no it's just they

[1:01:51] requested to include the board in Pony

[1:01:53] zil next January next January and the J

[1:01:56] we're not going to deal with it this J

[1:01:58] let's see if they dealt with it uh well

[1:02:00] they didn't do it in 212 because there

[1:02:02] wasn't any report right well there was a

[1:02:05] 12 yeah there was Kevin sou L Duke and

[1:02:08] Bobby Bryan associate

[1:02:11] member that's right all right so let

[1:02:15] this going to be interesting let's see

[1:02:17] what happened in

[1:02:20] 2010 if

[1:02:23] anything

[1:02:31] can Corner bear

[1:02:34] board R

[1:02:36] roads

[1:02:39] a service officers Planning

[1:02:49] Commission I'll read this motion made by

[1:02:52] offered and seconded by Hogan for the

[1:02:55] Planning Commission to remain the

[1:02:58] same they are Lee Ducket Austin Anderson

[1:03:02] Virgil alord Carol Willis Charles Harris

[1:03:05] Gary Cordell and Forest Frank see Carol

[1:03:09] Willis that puts her is the oldest

[1:03:11] member of our Planning Commission uh see

[1:03:17] that's how that's how it would get

[1:03:19] messed up right there when you just

[1:03:21] approve all of them to remain the same

[1:03:25] yeah

[1:03:27] well that in itself says and if they're

[1:03:30] fiveyear terms or something then

[1:03:32] whoever's in the uh the mayor's office

[1:03:35] trying to compile committee list and

[1:03:37] term expiration dates they see this well

[1:03:40] there's five years on every one of them

[1:03:42] you know it's

[1:03:47] uh but I don't see the board zoning

[1:03:50] appeal do you guys no not on here

[1:03:55] n here on 2010 all right so in 2010

[1:04:01] no

[1:04:08] bza we're on our last one anyway

[1:04:12] mhm for the 15 years yeah purchasing

[1:04:17] beer

[1:04:18] board they always dealt with the beard

[1:04:20] board I seem like every time C Corner

[1:04:26] Communications service

[1:04:28] officers Planning Commission they always

[1:04:31] vote on that Carol Willis was there then

[1:04:34] industrial

[1:04:36] board

[1:04:41] Consolidated

[1:04:47] Equalization

[1:04:49] ad

[1:04:51] EMA Duck River agent

[1:04:56] see County Road list nothing no

[1:05:00] bza it appears as though as

[1:05:04] important and as powerful as the

[1:05:07] bza

[1:05:09] is it's sad that it received as little

[1:05:13] attention as it has yeah in years

[1:05:23] past

[1:05:40] um I'm sort of you know I wanted to

[1:05:43] bring all the details

[1:05:47] and the printed

[1:05:50] material to establish what we supposed

[1:05:53] to be doing and and what we do do and

[1:05:59] because I am a board of zoning appeals

[1:06:02] member I'm going to be reluctant in

[1:06:05] trying to

[1:06:06] steer the solution in any direction or

[1:06:09] another so I'm I'm not going to uh I

[1:06:15] will support any reasonable solution I

[1:06:18] think you you two uh guys come up with

[1:06:22] but um

[1:06:28] I like I said before I do feel like

[1:06:32] everybody that that I serve with on the

[1:06:35] board of zoning appeals will be

[1:06:39] perfectly okay with whatever the leg

[1:06:42] body they would probably like to be a

[1:06:43] part of the solution

[1:06:53] yeah

[1:07:08] so it is it

[1:07:10] is totally foar at this point we are not

[1:07:15] well the oldest the oldest serving

[1:07:18] members by the records we have before us

[1:07:22] are Kevin S and L

[1:07:26] Duke those yeah we have uh corroborated

[1:07:31] their appointments

[1:07:33] 2014 12 years ago right well they were

[1:07:37] yeah L Duke and Kevin Saturn 2012

[1:07:40] reappointed in 14 and in

[1:07:44] 19 and uh Sammy Morton come on in 2014

[1:07:49] and

[1:07:51] 2019 and then 2015 junior or senior you

[1:07:55] got to differentiate Junior was was on

[1:07:58] in 219 that's what they well they have

[1:08:00] Junior there I'd like to know is it

[1:08:02] junior or is it senior because in

[1:08:05] 19 uh no in 14 I'm pretty sure that

[1:08:08] would be senior yeah okay I'm pretty

[1:08:11] sure of

[1:08:12] that well and the only reason I say that

[1:08:15] is because it says reappoint in

[1:08:20] 19 uhuh uh Sam senior Sam senior passed

[1:08:26] away September 16th 2014 okay okay so

[1:08:30] they may have put Junior on in his what

[1:08:33] date was that and 14 what date of month

[1:08:36] what month September September so he had

[1:08:38] served he did four months Sam Morton

[1:08:42] senior passed away September September

[1:08:45] of

[1:08:46] 2014 okay so that would be Samy Morton

[1:08:49] Jr in 219 2019 thank you for that John

[1:08:53] call so it would be junior in 2019 yes

[1:08:56] yeah so this is going to be senior here

[1:08:59] in

[1:09:00] 2014 I'm wondering if they didn't put

[1:09:03] Junior in that spot uh after he

[1:09:10] passed and we can get in trouble for

[1:09:12] assuming but I would assume like I said

[1:09:13] when people read the minutes that they would correct things like that in

[1:09:19] the following yeah right and then we

[1:09:21] would see revised minutes I've been

[1:09:23] looking do a lot of this today the

[1:09:25] records and when they're revised it's mentioned in sh the revisions they

[1:09:30] do a good job in the clerk's

[1:09:34] office yeah Teresa goes over it pretty

[1:09:41] good Dennis it says reappoint Dennis

[1:09:44] hunt and Bobby Bryan

[1:09:47] in I think I think you went on to 2015

[1:09:50] didn't you 20 2020 okay I would have

[1:09:54] thought I mean I yeah reappointed in 20

[1:09:59] so if he was REO I was there before 2020

[1:10:02] so that's what I mean you might have

[1:10:03] went on in 15 if it was a five year you

[1:10:06] know what I

[1:10:08] mean but didn't say that here did it

[1:10:11] nope nothing in 2015 I I know good and

[1:10:16] well well you were reappointed in 2020

[1:10:20] right and that fits with the what the

[1:10:22] date is here on the presid list 25 to

[1:10:24] roll off so that fits and so you would

[1:10:26] have been originally maybe appointed

[1:10:28] into 2015 that's what I was thinking

[1:10:30] maybe you back that

[1:10:32] up so that that works out there but in

[1:10:36] the 2015 minutes there's no bza

[1:10:39] appointment whatsoever correct that we

[1:10:51] found yeah we only see in 23 and 20 and

[1:10:56] 19 and 14 and 13 and 12 and 11 anything

[1:11:02] appointed to bza those are the only

[1:11:05] years so and most of those the last 15

[1:11:09] yeah and they said keep it the same and

[1:11:11] all that type of stuff so we don't know

[1:11:14] exactly what keep it the same meant

[1:11:16] maybe keep the same people but what did

[1:11:18] we do with their expiration

[1:11:22] term

[1:11:35] and commissioner hin it appeared as

[1:11:39] though she picked up on it and said hey

[1:11:43] we need to put the board zoning appeals

[1:11:45] on next January that was what was in the

[1:11:48] minutes right right

[1:11:51] mhm they saw that they had missed it

[1:11:54] there

[1:11:56] too I think we need to get this

[1:12:00] addressed so our longest members are L

[1:12:04] duuk and Kevin

[1:12:05] sap

[1:12:09] correct that's what I'm and Tim and Tim

[1:12:12] Morris just went on in 2023 to replace

[1:12:15] Bobby bran

[1:12:17] yes and Brian was reappointed in

[1:12:20] 2020 right so he would been rolling off

[1:12:23] in

[1:12:24] 2025 so I would think that Tim Morris

[1:12:27] needs to roll off in

[1:12:28] 2025 correct and that maybe that's a

[1:12:31] typo right yeah I'm I'm following you

[1:12:33] there

[1:12:37] yeah I think but Dennis would also come

[1:12:41] off in 2025 yeah so we've got to we got

[1:12:43] to fix that

[1:12:47] uh after I said I wasn't going to get

[1:12:50] involved I was thinking but I'll let

[1:12:52] y'all keep

[1:12:54] talk well

[1:12:57] um so which 2025 is just so this year

[1:13:02] somebody needs to come off this this

[1:13:03] year I mean they can get reappointed but

[1:13:05] somebody does need to and that would I

[1:13:06] would think that would need to be L

[1:13:12] Kevin or even Sammy Junior if you got

[1:13:16] all six names yeah I have them in my

[1:13:18] head but okay I was thinking arrange all

[1:13:21] six names in what we know is the

[1:13:25] longevity of their membership of that

[1:13:28] bza which uh Helen was brought on in

[1:13:32] [Music]

[1:13:33] 20123

[1:13:35] so little du K the other definition by

[1:13:39] who has to be on

[1:13:41] that correct because we just you just

[1:13:44] need one commission member one must be

[1:13:48] from the full legislative body right

[1:13:51] another is the word another shall be

[1:13:55] from the Planning Commission okay so

[1:13:57] that's a must shall be is a must and one

[1:14:00] should be a full-time farmer okay

[1:14:06] yeah so actually the two oldest

[1:14:11] members

[1:14:14] are not of those three

[1:14:22] categories

[1:14:24] and then we need a a

[1:14:26] farmer now what is your definition of

[1:14:29] farmer we had a long discussion about

[1:14:33] that okay because I felt like a

[1:14:37] full-time farmer means that's all his

[1:14:41] entire livelihood is made from

[1:14:45] Agriculture and

[1:14:47] uh I didn't think we had anybody on

[1:14:50] there that fit that description

[1:14:54] and there was a lot of push back on it

[1:14:57] so I dropped the subject what uh what

[1:15:01] does our state recognized as a we

[1:15:04] couldn't find it they Define agriculture

[1:15:07] and they Define farming and all that but

[1:15:10] a farmer we couldn't really find it

[1:15:15] okay there somebody that is working some

[1:15:19] percentage of the

[1:15:21] ground whether they work another job at

[1:15:24] midnight and I tell you I know lots of

[1:15:27] individuals that that's all they do

[1:15:30] that's all they've ever done they get up

[1:15:32] every morning put on them overalls and

[1:15:34] they're plowing or feeding cows or doing

[1:15:37] something you know what I'm

[1:15:38] saying yes sir well it looks like um you

[1:15:43] and Tim are scheduled to come off in

[1:15:45] 2025 and

[1:15:47] LOL Kevin and Sammy they they got

[1:15:50] reappointed in 2019 their schedule time

[1:15:52] is 24 which one of them needs and then

[1:15:56] Helen was put on in 23 so hers is

[1:16:00] 2028

[1:16:05] but we're gonna have

[1:16:11] to and I tell you what we can we can uh

[1:16:16] we can

[1:16:19] suggest

[1:16:21] a an amendment to our zoning

[1:16:25] resolution uh we the full the okay and

[1:16:30] this how this process works if we amend

[1:16:33] the zoning resolution and when I say

[1:16:36] that I'm I'm thinking uh

[1:16:40] this six members we actually have six

[1:16:43] people on the

[1:16:46] bza and if we have fiveyear terms and

[1:16:51] one comes off every year that don't work

[1:16:54] we could uh suggest

[1:16:59] a one uh six-year term you could do that

[1:17:03] got six members one has to come off one

[1:17:06] term has to expire every year we could

[1:17:11] suggest to the uh we this ad hoc

[1:17:16] committee would have to first suggest an

[1:17:19] amendment to the zoning resolution to

[1:17:22] the planning committee

[1:17:24] the Planning Commission has to make a

[1:17:27] recommendation to the full legislative

[1:17:29] body for any text whatsoever to be

[1:17:34] changed in our zoning

[1:17:37] resolution so approve a legislative

[1:17:39] committee then the full legislative body

[1:17:42] takes the recommendation of the Planning

[1:17:45] Commission and either approves or

[1:17:48] rejects and if we approve it then the

[1:17:51] language in zoning resolution would wind

[1:17:53] up being what this ad hoc committee

[1:17:55] decided fixes the problem if you guys

[1:18:00] think we need to do that my I like that

[1:18:03] but what I'm thinking if we're trying to

[1:18:07] keep it neutral and objective and not

[1:18:10] any political uh overtones to it why

[1:18:14] don't you make it every three

[1:18:16] years then you're rotating uh

[1:18:19] Commissioners and things like that uh

[1:18:21] well then but it it keeps from that it

[1:18:23] keeps from having five or six members

[1:18:25] and and having to carry over and make up

[1:18:27] and if you had them every three years

[1:18:30] that rollover would take care of that

[1:18:32] problem it would be a solution in itself

[1:18:34] but you have six members and terms

[1:18:37] expire in three years because you you've

[1:18:40] got two people at least two people

[1:18:42] rolling off every time we saw this you

[1:18:44] had two people rolling off or being

[1:18:45] reapproved oh so you're saying two

[1:18:47] should come off every year every three

[1:18:50] years yeah you you you put everybody on

[1:18:52] there for three years years and every and every year two would roll

[1:18:56] off oh every year two that's not going

[1:18:58] to work okay TCA see that goes contrary

[1:19:02] to TCA TCA plainly says one member's

[1:19:07] term shall expire each year okay so we

[1:19:11] would have to keep it at five address

[1:19:14] the floating associate member address it

[1:19:18] separately or go to six-year terms and

[1:19:22] count the associate just like we would a

[1:19:24] full member that's what I cuz we set the

[1:19:27] terms TCA says one member comes off or

[1:19:32] expires right everybody we

[1:19:36] atast every year yeah one Member One

[1:19:41] member's term shall expire each year and

[1:19:44] six years would would take care of the

[1:19:46] associate also if we wanted to do that

[1:19:51] yeah

[1:19:54] I wish this ad hoc committee had had

[1:19:57] been assigned to to figure out

[1:20:02] the terms of our Planning Commission

[1:20:05] members but we were not so I'm not going

[1:20:07] to say we need to address that this is problem at this point now that

[1:20:11] we have delved into this and have all

[1:20:13] this information in front of us because

[1:20:17] uh I don't see it in print

[1:20:20] anywhere in our zoning res solution I

[1:20:23] could not find it and others have not

[1:20:25] either what the term length and TCA

[1:20:28] doesn't full legislative body controls

[1:20:31] term

[1:20:33] length if we keep the present members

[1:20:36] that are on there and just reassign the

[1:20:39] term ending would seem to be the most

[1:20:42] simple thing to do that's kind of what I

[1:20:45] had wrote down right here if we could

[1:20:46] keep the current members and then

[1:20:48] reassign years that they need to come

[1:20:51] off correct and then from there

[1:20:54] forward well then next January we would

[1:20:56] reappoint the person rolling off right

[1:20:59] so 2024 even though I know January has

[1:21:02] passed but somebody needs to come off

[1:21:04] this year and be reappointed this year I

[1:21:06] think correct it has to 24 so and I had

[1:21:10] put LOL just as a name because he was

[1:21:12] been the longest running uh but so his

[1:21:15] site so I put him as 25 and Sammy is 26

[1:21:17] you is 27 more is 20 you know just as an

[1:21:20] example but give everybody a roll off

[1:21:23] year one person comes off a

[1:21:26] year that that is my opinion is the most

[1:21:30] logical Choice arrange them in uh

[1:21:35] chronological order who's been there the

[1:21:37] longest and they get the first ending

[1:21:41] term right which is 2024 somebody's term

[1:21:44] should be assigned to 2024 okay and that

[1:21:48] keeps your that keeps your brain trust

[1:21:50] people that have the experience right

[1:21:51] correct yeah now do we do we fulfill the

[1:21:54] other descriptions we got one

[1:21:56] commissioner one planning committee

[1:21:58] member and planning committee member and

[1:22:00] one

[1:22:01] farmer do we still have that on yeah we

[1:22:04] do because everybody's going to be the

[1:22:06] same and if LOL is okay with staying on

[1:22:09] I don't care that you know I'm to re

[1:22:11] reappoint if that's what he wants to do

[1:22:14] you know well that's going to be the the

[1:22:18] like I said the full legislative body

[1:22:19] points somebody has to nominate from the

[1:22:23] okay and so to help people in the future

[1:22:26] we can indicate by their name what

[1:22:28] position they fulfill commissioner or a

[1:22:30] farmer or Planning Commission we can do

[1:22:33] that by their name should be

[1:22:35] commissioner yeah I've always made it so

[1:22:37] that's very public that uh who is what

[1:22:42] well it wasn't indicated here no it was

[1:22:45] our farmer who is our farmer Sammy

[1:22:48] Morton JR is who

[1:22:51] consider

[1:22:53] and uh Tim he works for the city

[1:22:56] Manchester City Fire Department uh not

[1:22:59] anymore he left there that's why I know

[1:23:02] that I know that I was getting to that

[1:23:04] okay sorry I was getting to that that's

[1:23:06] what I sort of had a problem with the

[1:23:08] designation of full-time farmer when

[1:23:10] you're pulling down a pretty good chat

[1:23:12] cross the city I see you know but Sammy

[1:23:15] does Farm uh and he he did tell me a few

[1:23:20] months ago he said I'm going to be

[1:23:21] retired so I will be a full-time farmer

[1:23:24] so but we're just trying to get this

[1:23:25] reestablished and then the commiss if we

[1:23:27] indicate that on that list then the

[1:23:29] Commissioners whoever's rep okay we need

[1:23:31] a farmer this year or we need a see the

[1:23:34] commissioner is Morris and what was the

[1:23:36] other one we had to have the what now a

[1:23:38] planning a plan Planning Commission one

[1:23:42] member which is you Dennis wait a minute

[1:23:44] let me read this out loud let's read

[1:23:46] that back

[1:23:48] yeah from our zoning resolution there's

[1:23:53] my glasses I'm

[1:23:54] [Laughter]

[1:23:57] looking

[1:24:01] okay powers of the

[1:24:04] board the Coffee County Board this is

[1:24:08] section

[1:24:11] 10.70 Coffee County Board of zoning

[1:24:14] appeals this is the paragraph from our

[1:24:18] zoning resolution not TCA the Coffee

[1:24:21] County Board is owning appeals is hereby

[1:24:23] established in accordance with

[1:24:26] 13-7 d106 through 13-7

[1:24:30] 109 of the Tennessee code annotated the

[1:24:33] board of zoning appeal shall consist of

[1:24:36] five members appointed by the Coffee

[1:24:40] County Commission period the board

[1:24:43] members shall be appointed to fiveyear

[1:24:46] terms however the initial appointment

[1:24:49] shall be arranged so that the term of

[1:24:51] one member will expire each year period

[1:24:55] And I will say what we had just

[1:24:57] discussed and suggested does exactly

[1:25:00] that okay okay now the last the next

[1:25:04] sentence in that paragraph one member of

[1:25:07] this board shall be a CO County

[1:25:11] Commissioner another a member of the

[1:25:14] Planning Commission period one member of

[1:25:18] the board should be a full-time farmer

[1:25:21] should sort of is like a wiggle word but

[1:25:24] it is derived from sh so we do your best

[1:25:28] to do that but if you can't then yeah I

[1:25:30] think I think I think that signifies

[1:25:35] shall so and we have we have that

[1:25:38] established we have uh kept it that way

[1:25:42] and

[1:25:45] so that way when I'm at the Planning

[1:25:48] Commission like when I go to a board of

[1:25:50] zoning appeals uh

[1:25:53] meeting sometimes we're asked to change

[1:25:57] a uh a decision that are uh direct let

[1:26:03] me let me just powers of the

[1:26:06] board three there's three powers pretty

[1:26:11] explicit doesn't give us a lot of

[1:26:13] latitude that's why I've seen some

[1:26:15] people walk out of this room crying you

[1:26:18] know U because we can't do what they

[1:26:21] want us to do do the board of zoning

[1:26:24] appeal shall have the following powers

[1:26:27] administrative review to hear and decide

[1:26:31] appeals where it is alleged by the

[1:26:33] appellant that there is error in any

[1:26:37] order requirement permit decision

[1:26:40] determination or refusal made by the

[1:26:44] zoning administrator or other

[1:26:46] administrative official in the carrying

[1:26:49] out of enforcement of any provision of

[1:26:53] this resolution that means if somebody

[1:26:55] just doesn't agree with what Curt or

[1:26:59] zoning administrator his decision if

[1:27:03] they don't like it they think he's made

[1:27:05] a mistake they have uh evidence that

[1:27:09] he's messed up we can overturn his

[1:27:12] decision all right that's the first

[1:27:14] Power special exception to hear and

[1:27:17] decide applications for special

[1:27:19] exceptions as specified in this resol

[1:27:22] olution which there's a lot of special

[1:27:24] exceptions listed in the text of the

[1:27:28] zoning resolution and for decisions on

[1:27:31] any special questions upon which the

[1:27:33] board of zoning appeals is authorized to

[1:27:35] pass you know that's pretty widespread

[1:27:38] but in matters of direct

[1:27:41] airs the board shall refer to Tennessee

[1:27:45] code annotated section 13-3 d48 to

[1:27:48] determine the proper division of

[1:27:50] property and that that's somebody's

[1:27:53] handing down a farm people get to

[1:27:55] arguing about it I guess we can help

[1:27:57] them decide who gets what I guess then

[1:28:01] the variance to that's number three the

[1:28:04] third power to hear and decide

[1:28:06] applications for variances from the

[1:28:09] terms of this resolution and we do that

[1:28:12] quite often just the other day in uh out

[1:28:15] at Lakewood Park a guy wanted to build

[1:28:17] his house we have a 25 foot sidey yard

[1:28:21] setback we gave him a variance of I

[1:28:26] think it was 5T so he had room to build

[1:28:30] the house he wanted to build with a 20

[1:28:32] foot sidey yard so that's that's one of

[1:28:36] the things we do and if his neighbor

[1:28:38] course and every time something like a

[1:28:40] variance or rezoning or something like

[1:28:42] that comes up the

[1:28:45] U get a letter they have to send a

[1:28:47] letter to the neighbors neighbors yeah

[1:28:50] and like if we decided that guy deserve

[1:28:52] this five foot and neighbor argued well

[1:28:54] the neighbor has to go to court to

[1:28:57] reverse our our the grant the granting

[1:29:00] of that variance so it's it's pretty

[1:29:04] powerful uh board and uh that's why I

[1:29:08] think it needs to be populated with

[1:29:12] people that understand what's going on

[1:29:14] and need to have a little compassion

[1:29:16] when you're dealing with people yeah

[1:29:20] so using that pattern that

[1:29:25] solves the problem it it establishes I

[1:29:28] gave you my um my list of

[1:29:30] members and it establishes it

[1:29:33] reestablishes the proper order right and

[1:29:36] then it puts us back on track right that

[1:29:39] next January whichever one's rolling off

[1:29:42] we understand what their position is

[1:29:44] whether they're commission Planning

[1:29:46] Commission meeting a member farmer or a

[1:29:48] farmer or whatever and that helps us to

[1:29:50] decide then right from the full

[1:29:52] commission during that meeting it can

[1:29:54] the nominations can come from the

[1:29:57] floor so we've accomplished that so do

[1:30:00] we add our so do we so our

[1:30:03] recommendation does that still have to

[1:30:05] go our recommendation to go to the

[1:30:08] planning uh well I haven't heard a

[1:30:10] motion putting all this together yet but

[1:30:13] are you leaning towards making the bza

[1:30:17] members sixe

[1:30:20] terms

[1:30:24] if we left it at five one of two things

[1:30:27] you can one of two things I think would

[1:30:29] be a appropriate either way if you make

[1:30:33] it a six-year term for that

[1:30:37] membership that has to be uh an

[1:30:40] amendment to the zoning resolution and

[1:30:44] or you could say that leave it five year

[1:30:47] for the full membership and the

[1:30:50] associate member is floating and could

[1:30:54] change annually or every five or you

[1:30:58] could you could word it to where the the

[1:31:01] five-year term does not apply to the

[1:31:04] associate member you could do you could

[1:31:06] do many things but that would also

[1:31:08] require amending the zoning resolution

[1:31:11] to state that can the can the associate

[1:31:15] member if she come off in 2028 at her

[1:31:18] regular time she would just come off

[1:31:19] with one regular member is that a

[1:31:21] problem having an associate come off

[1:31:23] with one regular

[1:31:25] member it it says that just as long as

[1:31:27] one I think we would be complying with

[1:31:31] TCA

[1:31:33] because it TCA says member right the

[1:31:39] associate member uh is not a member

[1:31:45] right just kind of like a a sub or feel

[1:31:47] in for an

[1:31:49] absent U member

[1:31:57] vacancies shall be filled I'm reading

[1:31:59] TCA now not our zoning resolution

[1:32:03] vacancies shall be filled for unexpired

[1:32:06] terms in the same manner is in the case

[1:32:08] of original ones meaning it would be uh

[1:32:12] nominations and approval by the full

[1:32:14] legislative body that's the way I take

[1:32:16] that sentence the county legislative

[1:32:20] body May appoint

[1:32:22] associate members of the board and in

[1:32:26] the event I want to back up may doesn't

[1:32:29] say shall we have because we've got

[1:32:32] associate members but it's the TCA says

[1:32:35] may appoint associate members of the

[1:32:38] board and in the event that any regular

[1:32:41] member see so they they differentiate

[1:32:44] they use the word regular

[1:32:47] member and in the event that any regular

[1:32:50] member be temp temporarily unable to act

[1:32:54] owing to absence from the county

[1:32:58] illness interest in a case before the

[1:33:01] board or other cause such associate

[1:33:05] members Place may be taken during such

[1:33:08] temporary disability by an associate

[1:33:11] member designated for the purpose by the

[1:33:15] county legislative

[1:33:17] body so it still doesn't address the ter

[1:33:22] well but it it gives us the

[1:33:25] opportunity to let like you said Float

[1:33:28] let the associate

[1:33:29] float and we

[1:33:31] could regular members are coming off

[1:33:35] term expires year yeah and then we could

[1:33:39] look at the associate every year I yeah

[1:33:41] to to approve or to roll off or whatever

[1:33:44] the commission whatever the commission

[1:33:47] Wills well I mean we have it sounds like

[1:33:49] we have that flexibility yeah and I

[1:33:52] think I think the the associate member

[1:33:55] can come off with a regular member and when there's a reappointment as long

[1:33:58] as it's put into the minutes when you

[1:34:01] reappoint a regular member that it put

[1:34:03] if you have to reappoint associate that

[1:34:05] it says associate that way it's not you

[1:34:08] know it says it in there it's not

[1:34:09] confusing to us I mean you know what I'm

[1:34:10] talking about yes I see what you're

[1:34:12] saying so as long as it says associate

[1:34:14] will know that one regular member got

[1:34:17] reappointed or appointed along with the

[1:34:20] associate

[1:34:22] but if that be the case she would come

[1:34:23] off in

[1:34:24] 2020 okay we're not changing anything

[1:34:27] we're just updating the

[1:34:30] dates so can this go directly to the

[1:34:33] commission without going through the

[1:34:34] legislative committee if we're not

[1:34:36] changing

[1:34:37] anything all we're doing is updating the

[1:34:39] dates yeah just to approve the current

[1:34:41] board and move

[1:34:44] forward at this time with one member

[1:34:46] coming off each year starting with the

[1:34:48] oldest member we're not changing the

[1:34:50] process no we're just change we're

[1:34:52] updating and bringing in line the

[1:34:56] dates of the

[1:34:58] terms so we're actually not changing

[1:35:01] anything of the

[1:35:04] process if I understand what you've been

[1:35:07] reading I'm I'm just reading I don't

[1:35:10] want

[1:35:10] to I'm looking at our remember TCA

[1:35:16] says that the legislative body May up

[1:35:21] Point associate members of the board

[1:35:24] may I don't see anything in here where

[1:35:27] it says associate member in our zoning

[1:35:31] resolution well we must have at least

[1:35:34] the minimum to apply to the TCA we've

[1:35:37] got to agree with that whatever we do we

[1:35:39] can add to that oh yeah but we've got to

[1:35:41] do the minimal of what TCA does correct okay so are we

[1:35:46] in with what I just said are we are we

[1:35:50] making it with TCA and our

[1:35:52] local yeah I mean nothing's been said

[1:35:54] about what y'all what I'm saying is

[1:35:58] where where's the language that says the

[1:36:01] county legislative

[1:36:04] body has associate member it's not in

[1:36:07] her zoning

[1:36:10] resolution correct no it's not I don't

[1:36:13] see it I may have to go out to the

[1:36:16] vehicle and get the full only the the

[1:36:20] County Board is owning a it doesn't say

[1:36:22] that we will have it does not say we

[1:36:24] will have an associate

[1:36:29] member the first one I seen But the TCA

[1:36:32] does TCA says we can may may I got

[1:36:38] you but the be the but the zoning

[1:36:41] resolution doesn't say we shall elect a

[1:36:47] associate

[1:36:49] member but we would be fulfilling the

[1:36:52] minimal requirements with TCA with May

[1:36:55] that means yeah we we've got the we

[1:36:56] we've got the okay to do

[1:36:58] that we would be fulfilling TCA

[1:37:01] requirements if we disregard an

[1:37:04] associate member allog

[1:37:06] together because they say we can say we

[1:37:08] don't have one right now we could almost

[1:37:10] say that because I don't see it in uh in

[1:37:13] the membership makeup of the board of

[1:37:16] zoning

[1:37:18] appeals so therefore there having said that let's just not deal with it

[1:37:24] the the fiveyear terms for the five

[1:37:27] regular members is y'all laid out

[1:37:31] works it

[1:37:33] works the associate member we may need

[1:37:36] to uh we this this would not have to go

[1:37:41] to the Planning Commission right if

[1:37:43] we're leaving every the we're not Chang

[1:37:45] we're not amending our Zone resolution

[1:37:47] right

[1:37:48] um and this has been done

[1:37:52] for the 15 years that we've looked

[1:37:55] through the they've had the associate in

[1:37:57] there already for that 15 years right

[1:37:59] yeah in 2012 somewhere some one in 2012

[1:38:04] Bobby bran was I guess and I don't know

[1:38:08] that since TCA says we may appoint one

[1:38:11] well we did appoint one right that's way

[1:38:15] it looks that's how we have to but our

[1:38:17] owna resolution don't even mention

[1:38:19] associate member that I

[1:38:21] and I could be mistaken I might need the

[1:38:23] whole book but this is where it says the

[1:38:26] makeup of the membership so having said

[1:38:30] that uh I

[1:38:33] think that we're good with what y'all

[1:38:37] have discussed I think I think that's proper way handling

[1:38:43] it I I would welcome any other solution

[1:38:45] but I think we've got Simplicity we've

[1:38:48] got application uh we we were

[1:38:52] accountable to uh TCA guidelines and and

[1:38:55] the best that we know from Planning

[1:38:57] Commission

[1:39:00] so I mean from from my opinion my pers

[1:39:05] perspective and you've got them written

[1:39:07] out there I do and and that's what I

[1:39:10] mean that's what do we so we need to

[1:39:12] make a motion uh yeah to approve the

[1:39:15] current board uh with one member coming

[1:39:19] off this year

[1:39:22] um would you like to make a motion

[1:39:24] starting with the oldest I I make a

[1:39:26] motion that we take the list as we've

[1:39:28] come up with there uh keeping the uh

[1:39:32] published names of the bza at this point

[1:39:37] and just

[1:39:38] adjusting their their uh dates of

[1:39:40] service rolling

[1:39:50] off

[1:39:54] and then do we just make the associate a

[1:39:56] an annual uh

[1:40:02] approval yeah we can just make the the

[1:40:05] associate an annual approval of the

[1:40:08] right now that's what we need I don't

[1:40:10] think we need to address it well that

[1:40:13] keeps us again from we we're still in

[1:40:15] compliance with everything oh yeah and

[1:40:17] we're not violating anything uh and

[1:40:20] that's been done we have that that

[1:40:23] record and simply because it's been done

[1:40:25] before that mean it's now but we're not

[1:40:27] in our observation of

[1:40:30] TCA U we're in

[1:40:36] compliance where I had the names there

[1:40:38] we're going to all right this is what

[1:40:41] you got

[1:40:49] okay

[1:40:55] you've made a motion I'm going to read

[1:40:56] your motion even though you didn't say

[1:41:01] all the mo cuz I'm secretary and I have

[1:41:04] to get this recorded but the motion to

[1:41:08] uh to to fix this uh conundrum we are in

[1:41:13] with the uh term expiration motion by

[1:41:17] commissioner Joe mik

[1:41:19] Hodge is that where are taking the five

[1:41:23] regular

[1:41:24] members arranging them so their

[1:41:28] terms would expire as such we're just

[1:41:32] adjusting their terms in order to repair

[1:41:37] or to reestablish and corre we've taken

[1:41:40] these as the we've we've wrote reviewed

[1:41:43] 15 years of records and these are the in

[1:41:46] chronological order as We Know It uh ly

[1:41:49] Duke's term will EXP expire

[1:41:52] 2024 Kevin Sap's term will expire

[1:41:57] 2025 Sammy Morton Jr's term will expire

[1:42:03] 2026 he is the required full-time farmer

[1:42:09] designation Dennis Hunt's term will

[1:42:12] expire

[1:42:14] 2027 he is the

[1:42:18] representative Planning Commission m Tim Morris will expire

[1:42:27] 2028 he is the

[1:42:30] representative commissioner full

[1:42:32] legislative body

[1:42:34] member Helen

[1:42:36] debellis

[1:42:38] is the associate member and

[1:42:43] we your motion for associate members

[1:42:48] would be to address associate member

[1:42:51] annually correct okay that way the the

[1:42:53] full body will be and that will help us

[1:42:56] to remember to do that

[1:43:01] maybe

[1:43:04] um okay that'll get second that motion

[1:43:08] okay okay all those in favor I I okay did you vote I did

[1:43:16] okay I did I well

[1:43:21] uh another thing I want to make uh clear the TCA

[1:43:34] regarding

[1:43:39] membership that I wanted to read

[1:43:41] legislative body vad zoning Authority P

[1:43:44] part the shall be appointing power of

[1:43:46] the members shall

[1:43:49] be we need to copy that sent so we can

[1:43:52] do that see it in the legislative

[1:43:54] committee yes so we get that next week

[1:43:56] and we can get that approved and then

[1:43:59] ship it on to the yes my secretary is

[1:44:02] going I I don't have that printed off

[1:44:04] because I didn't really there was some

[1:44:07] we have to remember the board of zoning

[1:44:11] appeals and the Planning Commission only

[1:44:14] deals with business and issues in rural

[1:44:20] coffee County they have no oversight

[1:44:23] whatsoever within the municipal

[1:44:25] boundaries of t or Manchester I would

[1:44:27] expect them to okay right yeah okay now

[1:44:31] uh there was a question about the

[1:44:35] membership does the members of the board

[1:44:39] of zoning

[1:44:42] appeals and the Planning Commission have

[1:44:44] to

[1:44:45] be rural

[1:44:48] residents what I found in TCA and I

[1:44:52] didn't print that because we wasn't

[1:44:54] really dealing with it uh because

[1:44:56] actually miss debellis lives within the

[1:44:58] city limits of Manchester what TCA uh

[1:45:02] States is that a majority of the body

[1:45:07] must reside in the territory in which

[1:45:10] they oversight or oversee so the county

[1:45:14] they have to most of them the majority

[1:45:15] have to be from the county so five three

[1:45:18] of them have to be rural residents but

[1:45:20] we're in good shape there all five are

[1:45:23] rural residents and Helen is an

[1:45:25] associate member we're nowhere near

[1:45:28] getting in uh okay we're we're compliant

[1:45:31] with that when we print

[1:45:34] this in the future it need those

[1:45:38] guidelines need to just like these

[1:45:39] guidelines are stipulated here those

[1:45:41] guidelines need to be stipulated and

[1:45:43] those indications of what position they

[1:45:46] feel needs to be there too just like

[1:45:47] Helen's the associate uh then we go back

[1:45:50] now and and and you'd be Planning

[1:45:53] Commission and Tim Morris would be

[1:45:55] commissioner they need to be signified

[1:45:57] by their name somehow so that we know

[1:45:59] when they're rolling off who we need to

[1:46:00] replace there just to help the people in

[1:46:02] the future right

[1:46:04] okay does that make sense

[1:46:07] yes and we need to stay stay on top of

[1:46:10] it that that we are compliant with those

[1:46:14] three designated positions

[1:46:18] yes yeah and it's just to give everybody

[1:46:20] a fair shake you know the me coming from

[1:46:24] the Planning Commission if I sit in on

[1:46:26] the bza I can I can uh relate all of the

[1:46:30] issues see the the the Planning

[1:46:34] Commission as has been stated does not

[1:46:38] make binding decisions but they

[1:46:41] confirm binding language that's in our

[1:46:45] zoning resolution they don't really make

[1:46:47] a decision on it they're just saying

[1:46:49] yeah this is what it's says and yes um

[1:46:52] ma'am sir you will have to do it this

[1:46:55] way you must do that you know we vote on

[1:46:57] it that's the way they do it and if it's

[1:47:00] uh amending the zoning

[1:47:03] resolution which if you have a piece

[1:47:06] property that fronts Highway 55 out

[1:47:09] there and it's R1 for housing but you

[1:47:11] want to put a little car lot it needs to

[1:47:13] be

[1:47:14] C1 that you come to the Planning

[1:47:16] Commission and asks for your property to

[1:47:18] be rezoned well that is amending the

[1:47:21] zoning resolution because the map our

[1:47:24] zoning map is is part of our zoning

[1:47:29] resolution and then we would vote on

[1:47:32] resoning your property and if it if we

[1:47:36] get a positive vote out of the Planning

[1:47:39] Commission that's not binding you go to

[1:47:41] the full legislative body then we vote

[1:47:44] as the Commissioners to change your

[1:47:47] zoning

[1:47:48] designation and

[1:47:51] I don't know that I've ever seen it fail

[1:47:54] generally I mean if the Planning

[1:47:55] Commission gives it a positive

[1:47:57] recommendation that means it's pretty

[1:47:59] much been run through the meal but uh

[1:48:02] anyway it's intriguing but the effort of

[1:48:05] this Administration this election cycle

[1:48:08] has been to clarify and to

[1:48:11] reestablish what should have been going

[1:48:13] on in order and I think that's what

[1:48:15] we're doing here I think that's another

[1:48:17] step in what we're doing is trying to

[1:48:19] make things clear

[1:48:20] uh make it objective uh and and that

[1:48:23] type of thing so I I think we've

[1:48:24] accomplished that maybe today unless

[1:48:26] somebody there's something that I

[1:48:28] compliance is the catch word compliance

[1:48:31] yeah I'm all for that so this will uh

[1:48:35] just need to be brought up at our next

[1:48:37] full commission meeting then yeah we

[1:48:39] will um just get a copy of this and send

[1:48:42] it to the legislative committee because

[1:48:45] we're supposedly the Clearing House so

[1:48:47] just get this and get it to me so I can

[1:48:49] get it on our agenda so we're ready to

[1:48:51] go to the full commission with it I

[1:48:53] don't think that's necessary but if

[1:48:56] y'all want to look at it you can because

[1:48:59] it's the the full legislative body is

[1:49:02] the one that uh we're responsible for

[1:49:06] the bza like I said I was just looking

[1:49:08] at those U things today because we're

[1:49:12] again trying to decide on that and it

[1:49:14] said the legislative Committee of Coffee

[1:49:17] County Tennessee commission is the

[1:49:18] Clearing House for either new County

[1:49:20] resolutions or proposed amendments to

[1:49:22] existing resolutions M and we're not

[1:49:25] amending all all legislation proposed by

[1:49:27] the county mayor's office or the County

[1:49:29] Commission normally makes a stop in the

[1:49:31] legislative committee before proceeding

[1:49:33] to a full vote of the County Commission

[1:49:35] so it's just an extra set of eyes yeah I

[1:49:38] was

[1:49:39] uh I agree with the resolution I'm not

[1:49:42] sure this has to be a

[1:49:46] resolution uh it's we're just making a

[1:49:49] clarification and a reestablishment

[1:49:51] Comedia assignments you know if you

[1:49:53] notice have no resolution number you all

[1:49:56] these minutes we looked at there's no

[1:49:58] resolution number associated with

[1:50:00] membership but uh you know I

[1:50:04] don't when is the next legislative body

[1:50:07] the legislative committee meeting it's like next week or week after next

[1:50:11] okay it's it's a week before the

[1:50:13] commission okay

[1:50:15] meeting

[1:50:17] y

[1:50:19] and

[1:50:20] I don't know I think I think we've

[1:50:23] covered it I think it's a I think it's a

[1:50:26] good motion I think it's a good uh

[1:50:30] solution and uh what I don't know if

[1:50:34] this needs to be policy and procedures

[1:50:36] or legislative but these

[1:50:41] appointments to all committees and

[1:50:45] Boards I feel like any name that is

[1:50:51] uh

[1:50:52] placed uh in nomination to be approved

[1:50:56] that individual should be there yeah and

[1:51:01] that rarely happens I mean all of our

[1:51:05] standing committees and committees that

[1:51:08] have legislative body members on it

[1:51:10] we're already sitting there and we can

[1:51:12] speak to it if we wish to but these uh

[1:51:16] like the Planning Commission there's

[1:51:18] only I'm only if they're appointed and

[1:51:20] not elected I mean publicly elected

[1:51:23] through election process that's what

[1:51:24] you're talking about IED I think when we

[1:51:27] are appointing when we're populating

[1:51:29] boards commissions and committees the

[1:51:32] individuals that we are approving should

[1:51:34] be there should be in

[1:51:36] attendance but there's nothing that I

[1:51:39] see right now in our policy and

[1:51:42] procedures that requires that I just

[1:51:45] think they should be something we need

[1:51:47] to consider yeah all right

[1:51:51] very

[1:51:52] good trying to pull up the calendar I

[1:51:55] can see so it's going to take me a

[1:51:57] little while to ride up the minutes on

[1:51:59] this but I'll get them out pretty quick

[1:52:08] okay have you got anything else Madam

[1:52:11] chair woman I was looking on the

[1:52:12] calendar um do you have

[1:52:16] a a bza meeting on the 15th we do do

[1:52:20] okay and

[1:52:22] then

[1:52:24] um I was looking to see when the when's

[1:52:27] our next full commission meeting um is

[1:52:30] that the

[1:52:33] 12th like March 12th March I think

[1:52:37] so

[1:52:40] March um yes um March the

[1:52:48] 12th

[1:52:50] legislative committee I thought it said

[1:52:52] February 26 okay February

[1:52:55] 26 and then the full commission is March

[1:52:58] the 12th March the 12th okay so there we

[1:53:03] go I don't have anything else do you

[1:53:05] guys have anything

[1:53:07] else I think we've accomplished our

[1:53:09] mission I think we have and we needed to

[1:53:11] before the March we need to get this

[1:53:13] squared away we can't linger if we don't

[1:53:16] have to we don't we don't need to

[1:53:17] languish we need to move I think we've

[1:53:20] done

[1:53:21] that all right

[1:53:25] and

[1:53:27] this

[1:53:29] will be our last meeting that's right

[1:53:32] we're done that's what ad hoc's all

[1:53:34] about we do one thing and we're done

[1:53:36] well and I think we've accomplished our

[1:53:38] mission good work

[1:53:40] I uh I make a motion to adjourn second

[1:53:44] all right meeting the

[1:53:47] journey all right

2/13/24 Ad Hoc Committee for Reconciling BZA Member Term Expirations

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