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[2:42] Anybody?

[3:04] Anybody?

[3:20] The time is 603 and we'll call forward. >> Hey, we have a roll call, please. Oh, is

[3:28] the recording started? >> Yeah, you're here.

[3:30] » Okay. >> Trusty Winglock

[3:34] » here. >> Trusty Bethl

[3:35] » here. Trusty Price >> here.

[3:38] Stalin >> here. Claire Wilcox

[3:40] » here.

[3:49] I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

[3:56] for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible,

[4:02] liberty and justice for all.

[4:16] Item three, revision board relations to the agenda.

[4:25] » Okay, >> I just need to make a correction to the

[4:29] resolution number. It is listed on the agenda as resolution

[4:34] number 13 and it's actually 19.

[5:14] Sorry to see how long it last but see and made a trip from here to back

[5:23] » unbound Persons

[5:32] not on the agenda, >> please limit comments to three minutes

[5:37] and address the community or address your comments directly to the mayor.

[5:42] Identify yourself by name and address when making comments. Comments should be

[5:46] courteous, civil, and constructive. The town board will make no decision nor

[5:53] take action except to direct the town manager or town attorney.

[6:01] And I see that we have one person that go out to beautiful

[6:08] » I okay >> have just a quick comment or just I'll

[6:12] make it quick. I'm Tammy Clark. Um just here to touch

[6:18] base about Heritage Days. I was going to be here last month but the Zoom meeting

[6:22] didn't work. Um, just wanted to thank the town uh for their support in

[6:28] Heritage Days and see if you guys had any comments or questions or things like

[6:34] that that uh you wanted to let us know as we start to move towards next year.

[6:43] » Okay. Um, the only thing that we had brought up and not made a decision on

[6:47] that I know of were the storage of the fireworks that were purchased.

[6:52] Right now, those are still in my garage. So, as soon as you let me know where

[6:56] they are, I will be happy to bring them.

[7:04] » Say that again. I didn't understand. You'll be happy to what?

[7:08] » I said, I will be happy to bring them wherever you want them stored.

[7:15] » Yeah. Okay.

[7:20] Yeah,

[7:23] Mike Nichols, our town manager, says, "Bring Brandon down when it's convenient

[7:28] for you." >> Okay, I can do that. We'll bring them in

[7:32] the next week or so. I don't really need them in my garage.

[7:38] » Okay. We have it has been brought to our

[7:41] attention that the couple of board members have kind of

[7:45] wanted us to take over all of Heritage Day's planning. Uh so the committee is

[7:50] discussing that. Um if we can get some more members to uh join us and

[7:56] participate um we may be looking towards that for next year. Um so that we don't

[8:03] have some of the different factions that kind of did not work well together this

[8:07] year. So, we are discussing that as a board. Um, and uh, we thought it was

[8:13] very successful. Um, but we wanted to just touch base with you guys and see if

[8:18] you had any comments or concerns that we can take to the table as we plan towards

[8:23] next year.

[8:27] » Appreciate that and all all the efforts. a change is hard and

[8:36] I see see the delay but anyway uh all all of your efforts toward the rodeo

[8:42] and heritage days and uh

[8:46] there were plenty of compliments on the rodeo and how things went. So

[8:52] thanks for all your effort. Our

[8:59] sound's not working. Sammy, can you hear us?

[9:02] » I can hear you. Yes. >> Okay.

[9:05] » I see that my face is like when I talk then it talks way after I do when I'm

[9:11] looking at what you guys are seeing. >> Yeah.

[9:14] » Yeah. But you you can hear me. Okay. >> I can. Yes.

[9:19] » All right. Good. Thank you.

[9:26] Uh Jan Courier.

[9:33] So

[9:39] » I'm just here to tell you that friends of the friends of the library had had

[9:44] their event in the auditorium on Labor Day. I wanted to thank everybody at the

[9:49] town, especially the guys from the maintenance department for all their

[9:53] help. And we had a good day.

[9:58] Well received. And the biggest thing we need to know, you need to know is is

[10:03] that everyone who came into the auditorium on Monday, there wasn't

[10:08] anybody who didn't like what they saw in I think that all the town and everybody

[10:15] who supported that over the years that remodel the auditorium and anybody who's

[10:21] protected that auditorium all the time deserves a pat on the back.

[10:27] Well, maybe that'll spread the word that they can start whether they want to have

[10:30] a wedding reception or family or reunion or whatever or a dance. You know, how

[10:37] about movies? Movies would be wonderful. >> Roller skating. I'm all about the roller

[10:43] skating. >> The picture you see there was we figured

[10:46] is from July 4th, 1914. That day was the first day they ever

[10:52] showed movies at the auditorium.

[10:57] just in case of interest for you guys. Oh,

[11:01] » well, if I don't remember correctly, Mike, the uh did that the the movie

[11:08] screen is still around? >> I don't know. We have it somewhere

[11:12] » there. There is a movie screen up above the stage. There's no I don't I don't

[11:16] think you you can use that. You'd have to have a different screen than the old

[11:20] did. The old canvas screen is still up there. There's no way to get it now,

[11:26] » right? >> It's just antique.

[11:28] » Well, it's like the projections we won't be using. Oh, no. There's there's new

[11:34] stuff. But if that's something that somebody wants to do or or the town

[11:39] wants to do provide, you know, like the fire department up at Clay Park, then

[11:45] sure. I think that would be a a good thing for the community,

[11:51] especially during the winter time. If >> one of our guests at the uh event on

[11:56] Monday, Carla Carl Dis was there, she said she'd love to see a film festival

[12:02] in that. Yeah, we would need to have some community board

[12:07] » because we're all swamped and it's not really the staff's job

[12:12] we're finding out to put on events and entertain the entire town because they

[12:16] have a job to >> I understand that. I'm just suggesting

[12:19] » I think it's a great idea. We need to circulate it throughout the community to

[12:23] see if we want to if somebody wants to establish a committee for community

[12:26] events, it would be fabulous. Completely agreed. I mean

[12:32] Terry from the liquor store talked about doing something similar over at light of

[12:36] park, you know, towards the the fire station. But yeah, that'd be

[12:43] it. I'm just saying that since people gang sure

[12:49] well we at the president of the library might like to do that once or twice

[12:53] during the year, but I don't >> I don't think we want to do it every

[12:56] week, >> right?

[12:58] And if different organizations want to sponsor Songs of Houston, you know,

[13:03] that'd be fabulous. >> That'd be great. Some of the movies that

[13:07] were shown on that day on July 4th, 1914, you can still get them on the

[13:14] internet. False old silent movies. There's

[13:20] two or three of them that were shown that day are still available.

[13:23] » That was neat. I I know that. >> Yeah. I I watched one of them with my

[13:30] son the other day when he saw what what the uh

[13:35] menu of movies was. He looked it up and we started watching. It was it was

[13:41] interesting and pretty good quality, too.

[13:44] » Well, good. >> Anyway, thanks to all of you for

[13:49] supporting my project and thanks thanks to everybody who who supported keeping

[13:55] the auditorium alive and I apologize for not being there. My wife and I are doing

[14:01] well and Jo we'll have more opportunities very much. Yeah.

[14:09] So well that's but thanks for all your efforts.

[14:13] » Well I thank everyone who's was there enjoyed it. They liked what they saw and

[14:18] I think they'll spread the word every week. I think that's the biggest thing.

[14:23] » Well, hopefully that'll just grow into more positivity in the town and help us

[14:30] move forward. >> I hope. Exactly.

[14:33] Thanks.

[14:43] » I'm sorry I didn't

[14:49] Is it Daniel? >> Daniel.

[14:53] » Yeah.

[14:58] » Um well, I am I'm here to talk about the the broadband. Um I think we are a bit

[15:04] later, so might just wait my time for then, but I'm excited. Looking forward

[15:08] to looking forward to this. The guys at the region 10 are telling us that we're

[15:13] waiting on a power cable to get ready to they've got all the all their ducks in

[15:18] row nearly. So, we're very excited. Obviously, we need better internet all

[15:23] over town, make maybe make our Zoom meetings work a

[15:27] little better. But, um I guess it's it's up to us now

[15:33] to work together and figure out how how to use some of the Viviver. We'll have

[15:37] it coming into the CML. So, I'm looking forward to talking to you guys and just

[15:42] sitting down and thinking how we can how we providers. I know Mark's probably

[15:46] looking to get on some of that as well and whoever else, but um I guess it's

[15:51] we're down down through the last couple weeks here and I'd like to make a get

[15:55] something figured out with that. >> Did you get the latest update?

[16:00] » If you want to read that, >> just the first page, but I think that

[16:05] that's just the first page. Very good. >> Um, that's all I have. Let's go into the

[16:12] rest of it and maybe let's see where we're at now. Yeah, I'm excited. So, I

[16:17] want to say thank you guys. Um, thanks for making this happen and let's let's u

[16:23] get it finished up. I'm excited to get it rolling. Thank you very much. You

[16:27] bet. >> Thank you.

[16:29] » Thank you.

[16:37] Item number five, consent agenda.

[16:42] Items with a routine nature placed on a consent agenda can allow the board of

[16:46] trustees to spend his time and energy on more important items than a lengthy

[16:52] agenda. Any board member or any member of the public may request that an item

[16:59] may be removed from the consent agenda and considered on a regular agenda.

[17:09] There's a August 5th, 2025 draft minutes. B America 250

[17:17] Colorado 150 prop proclamation. Uh item number. So

[17:26] yeah, that's that's it for the consent agenda. Is there any discussion or

[17:33] » I motion we approve the August 5th, 2025 minutes and the America 2050 Colorado

[17:40] 950 proclamation. >> Second.

[17:45] » Second. Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any

[17:48] further discussion? Hearing none. May we have a vote, please?

[17:54] » Trusty Bethl, >> yes.

[17:56] » Trusty Price, >> yes.

[17:57] » Trusty Stalin, yes. >> Trusty Wingle Black,

[18:00] » yes. >> Mayor Wilcox,

[18:02] » yes. >> Motion passes uns.

[18:05] » Okay. Item number six, Bill payments, May

[18:11] through July 31st of 2025.

[18:33] Is there any discussion on those? >> Yeah, I'm curious. Is this report

[18:39] straight from the cell? >> Yes, ma'am.

[18:42] And is it going to be possible ever to get a record of deposits

[18:47] also a summary of deposits? >> I have not found a report that provides

[18:52] a summary deposit but I will continue to call I could reach out to

[19:04] us.

[19:22] I did have a couple of questions, but I got those answers

[19:29] already.

[19:36] Was there any anybody else? Okay.

[19:41] » Well, the Grand Junction pipe and supply, is that bill being forwarded to

[19:44] the school where it says build a to school next to it?

[19:51] No, it probably was that

[19:57] » because we're not supposed to pay any of the bills for the waterline until we

[20:02] submit a bill to the school and then the school pays us and then we pay them.

[20:06] Sounds very >> lots of changing of the hands,

[20:14] but um was this bill paid or are we approving it it to be paid today?

[20:19] everything on that list has already been paid. It's more of an advisory because

[20:24] we were in the situation we were in. Um, so all of those have already been paid

[20:33] and there's no way I could have held them to get them to the board. Um,

[20:45] » so when it comes to the billing for the school um, waterline,

[20:51] are we forwarding all those bills to them before we write out checks?

[20:57] » The Grand Junction PIP? No. And the only other bill that I pay directly um for

[21:02] the pipeline is um FCI. And FCI doesn't get a check

[21:08] until I get a check from the school district.

[21:11] Okay. Yeah, we have the KJ waterline

[21:15] observation and on call engineering support and

[21:19] waterline valve construction and waterline construction. They're $18,877.

[21:25] That was part of the agreement that they pay that.

[21:36] » Well, I guess the one question I have is is

[21:41] item 784 Ka engineering or ter parks. >> It was review of the initial the it was

[21:51] two reviews. It was an initial review of the first set of plans and then it was a

[21:55] second review of the second set of plans that have come before the trustees

[22:01] » I think >> March April um and that deleted the bill

[22:04] on that one is from April so that's why um it was worked on on the tero park on

[22:11] their initial preliminary plan

[22:14] » okay >> plan

[22:17] my understanding is anything that comes in from a developer for the developer

[22:23] themselves who pay for because it's their their

[22:29] development. So >> if that's in the agreement they sign I

[22:33] am unaware of the agreement. >> It's in the it's in the municipal code.

[22:39] » Yes. So, uh I don't know the company that

[22:45] would >> I think we need to be reimbursed for

[22:50] you know I'm happy to dedicate time to figuring

[22:56] out exactly what invoices need to be sent my and I can work on it together

[23:01] because some of it he would know better than I would. I I don't know what

[23:04] communications KLJ had with uh the company that's doing the subdivision

[23:11] or not. So, >> have we been been reimbursed for the

[23:15] Dole Grant at all? >> Unfortunately, has been we've received

[23:21] reimbursement.

[23:25] » Okay. Do you guys know off the top of your head who Grand Valley Consulting

[23:28] LLC is for special structural observation?

[23:34] Is that for um approving the auditorium maybe possible?

[23:42] » We don't know. almost like an engineer.

[23:49] Grand Valley Consulting >> special structural observation

[23:56] on May 22nd at 6:18

[24:06] and then also there was um wasach surveying for the soul water line.

[24:13] You know about that, Matt? >> Yeah, they're the surveyors for

[24:19] I think the FCI that

[24:24] » All right. Well, part of our IDA was they were going to serve, you know, take

[24:28] care of the cost of the water line. So, I don't I don't know if all these bills

[24:31] are getting forwarded to them. I'll have to look at the Grand Junction bike too

[24:35] because

[24:38] some stuff a while back but I haven't

[24:44] » Right.

[24:50] So the meter Mike should be part of um the tap fee. Correct.

[24:58] » Correct. I do believe they get they got build for that.

[25:02] I think we paid and I think they pay us back is what I did.

[25:06] » But when somebody hooks up to municipal water and they pay a tap fee, say I pay

[25:12] $4,500, does that include the meter? >> No.

[25:15] » A meter is a cost on top of your connection fee. Okay.

[25:20] » Good. >> All right. And has the school been build

[25:23] for the tap fee? >> That I don't know. per the agreement. We

[25:27] don't get the taxing money until we accept the waterline. Okay.

[25:58] Well,

[26:08] and we shouldn't have any more any more bills from Wilson, didn't

[26:14] » No, they don't. >> Right.

[26:17] Right. a motion we approve the bill payments

[26:22] for May through July 31st, 2025.

[26:30] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a second.

[26:38] Okay, we have a motion and second. Any further discussion?

[26:45] Hearing none. May we have a vote, please? Trusty BL.

[26:49] » Yes. >> Trusty Price,

[26:51] » yes. >> Trusty Stalling,

[26:52] » yes. >> Trusty Wingle Black,

[26:53] » yes. >> Mayor Wilcox,

[26:56] » yes. >> Motion passes.

[27:18] Okay. Item number seven, Mr. Bruce Smith update.

[27:24] Um, a couple of things in addition to what I wrote today. Um

[27:30] our attorney I think we should have an executive session to discuss the water

[27:36] gown situation and sometime in the near future

[27:40] and he had conflict for the next meeting date the board

[27:48] as prior commitments

[27:54] » another date if it was up to me I'd say sooner rather than later.

[28:02] » Did he uh did he mention a date that would be good for him or or or you?

[28:10] I mean, like I don't know what you said. >> Is there a better date that he gave you

[28:14] that would for you? >> I tried that and he said that see what

[28:20] the board wants to do and let me know. >> I'll do it sooner.

[28:25] This item is actually set for 10 on the agenda. The Senate hearing to set a

[28:30] special meeting to discuss the water.

[28:39] » Okay.

[28:44] I don't understand why we're pursuing asking the school to pay for three

[28:48] additional um hydrants when as you mentioned the

[28:53] word you used was impertinence saying the pertinance normally is for future

[28:57] development. School has no interest in any further future development for that

[29:02] water line. So anything along that water line from the school back to the source

[29:06] of the water would be there for development and then that would be our

[29:11] business not the schools. The school has their hydro they're going to put it on

[29:15] the south end but there how would it advantage this school and why would we

[29:19] require a public school to put in three additional hyphens. I don't understand

[29:25] that rationale. Well, according to the ordinance has always been that the

[29:30] developer of the water line just as Carl Austin Tech developed and brought in

[29:39] the properties of the OBS church when they bought it and then did a lot

[29:44] rearrangement on that 20 acres. So he sold part of it to the LDS church, part

[29:50] of it to uh he was going to build a home himself where Lisa Valve lives and then

[29:57] the lot behind Geller, but there was no sewer line at the time. The only person

[30:04] was going to be the church. So, but it was up it's up to the developer

[30:10] uh according to uh had been this way since

[30:16] I was first on the board as a trustee that

[30:22] the developer looking for growth just like Andy

[30:27] that company is going to have to absorb everything growth there. Um,

[30:34] part of the reason the school was built was

[30:39] because they would, you know, the the community as a whole valley wise, but to

[30:46] project they were going to have more students. Otherwise, they wouldn't have

[30:50] built a a bigger building that would house whatever five or 600 people. And

[30:57] along along that way uh we have the

[31:06] uh in Plateau City, you know, there's a

[31:10] street there. There's the old general store. Um

[31:15] so

[31:19] there is projection of growth caused whole you

[31:24] know by the project of the waterline and and by just building a new school and a

[31:30] bigger school and and such a massive uh project. So in the ordinance it does say

[31:37] that it is up to the developer to bring everything up to fire

[31:43] uh code and safety for the earth state and

[31:51] uh county that it's you know it's on their guide

[31:57] and you know the board was before Jim knew

[32:04] who left.

[32:08] He suggested to the board that we do did not get involved and and uh write the

[32:16] extra million dollar grant even though the board decided to support

[32:23] the school. Anytime you build a big construction project like that, there's

[32:28] a contingency that's always been built in for

[32:36] added items or things that need to be corrected or whatever. Um,

[32:44] well, are you saying that we're classifying schools and developing?

[32:48] » Well, they're not developing. No, but they're they're projecting growth and

[32:53] they're they're paying us back aboard the water line. So, by by doing that,

[32:58] that's part of developing or extending our

[33:03] » whoever requests the water line, let me make it really simple. If you live out

[33:08] on the other side of the school and you want the water line, you have to pay for

[33:11] the entire water line. Whoever develops first out there, if somebody builds a

[33:16] subdivision there, they pay for the entire water line because we weren't

[33:20] asking for a water line. We were not. So, whoever and you can, you can search

[33:26] other municipalities. You can search our own municipal code. Whoever the

[33:30] developer is who's bringing the water line pays for the water line. It's in

[33:35] our IGA. They have the right to back bill to any

[33:40] other people who hook up to it because they had to absorb that entire cost.

[33:48] » Okay. So, I understand that part, but I don't understand exactly why. How did we

[33:52] come up with three fire hydrants? We didn't the fire marshal and the co

[33:58] » I guess that's something to be discussed because that's contradicted to what the

[34:02] superintendent said that the fire department did not think that we'd have

[34:06] to have three uh fire hydrants. Well, I put in a core request to the fire chief

[34:12] and I got to see the correspondence and they actually cut them a break down from

[34:17] several down to three saying, "Okay, the rest can as stuff gets developed, they

[34:23] can add more." But I think Mike has something to say right now.

[34:27] » Yeah, they started with eight, I believe, and then C do actually got

[34:31] involved because they said then they said that five of them were pretty much

[34:36] impossible to put in. you know, it's down there in the swamp. So then the

[34:42] fire marshall who is actually a contractor

[34:46] by the state. So the state isn't really doing these inspections anymore. The

[34:50] fire department isn't. So they hired this company who is the fire marshal to

[34:56] um come in and you know kind of inspect that and he

[35:01] wanted three in. So, it's actually it's not our fire district or it's it's the

[35:06] state fire marshal who wanted the three. >> How can that price be right? That seems

[35:12] I can see 75 for three. I don't see 75 for one.

[35:16] » 75,000 for one. >> Yeah. I don't know the numbers. I don't

[35:20] » That's what you guys had in your uh packet.

[35:23] » Unfortunately, the line went on without anybody taking responsibility for the

[35:29] fire hydrants. go. You would think somebody would say, "Hey, Pam, you're

[35:34] doing this, so we're leaving this open now, and it's open from May 5th to May

[35:37] 10th." But that never happened. >> And I I got a core request. I read

[35:42] through every detail. Um they were required to put in fire,

[35:47] » but it's not activated yet, is it? >> No, the water is not. And so

[35:53] » yeah, you got to put in extra seed and all sorts of stuff after you put it in.

[35:56] » Right. We got a million dollar grant who put in this water line from Noah.

[36:03] » So if we have to take off the take the price off the million dollar grant that

[36:08] the town paid applied for for our own because otherwise the cost has to be

[36:14] rolled over to the people of the town and quite frankly the school has a huge

[36:21] area that funds that. We have $260 when the prices say correct. So you know

[36:28] if it was 75,000 to have this >> look into something see how much the

[36:32] water tank on the hill cost. >> Well you got to think you got to have

[36:36] people stopping traffic. It's all built bone down to one lane. You got to pay

[36:40] for those people concrete. You plumbers put in dude I put in

[36:45] 50 60 hydrants. They're a lot of work. They're a lot of concrete.

[36:50] » They cost a lot of money. It have been a lot cheaper and while it was going on

[36:56] » well it's still before the waters turned on

[37:00] it's cheaper now to take care of it. >> That's good.

[37:05] » Yeah. >> Rather than wait till next next year

[37:07] next to uh

[37:12] absorb those. >> Yeah. I don't think 75,000 for one. I

[37:18] mean that sounds like that's not the numbers I heard. Um, I think it's it'll

[37:23] be somewhere up there, but I think that number three now a lot more expensive if

[37:29] you >> Well, I can see 75,000

[37:31] three. I think that's why I said in your packet I think it says 100 or 225,000.

[37:37] We're talking about 190,000 is what our budget was.

[37:40] » It probably depends on what contractor does it too.

[37:43] » If >> and nobody's available right now.

[37:47] Well, >> and the bottom line was that through the

[37:53] agreement that they would that they would bring

[37:58] everything out of your fire code and safety.

[38:02] Um, >> did you review the IG where it said that

[38:05] they would >> Did you review the IG?

[38:10] » It's a good read.

[38:14] So between between between the A where they said that

[38:21] they would follow an agree upon plus the ordinance of development um

[38:31] plus the fact that

[38:35] we were advised or as a board whether it was this board or the previous doesn't

[38:40] matter it's done But

[38:45] in the end, the school would go ahead and reimburse the town

[38:53] for all expenses so that the town would not absorb

[38:59] uh

[39:02] who was the building inspector on this account the county.

[39:06] » They're at fault too. Orange Shriner >> from Dynamic Planning is contracted to

[39:14] inspect and to so

[39:22] » I can say part part of it is I think on on the county because the last

[39:28] uh septic at least field that I did uh

[39:36] for for a neighbor over in Mesa, the engineer, he had it engineered and

[39:42] then when it came time to inspect and everything was open, the engineer

[39:49] set a time with the county inspector because the county inspector

[39:54] was brand new. So there's a new generation of inspectors that really

[39:58] don't know and now they have the technology to

[40:05] look our county is ridiculous on what they want for inspections. Pretty soon

[40:09] Daniel and I have to get inspections for not radios out here houses.

[40:16] Well, I agree with Bruce in terms I think we do need to have the the

[40:19] executive session and work work through this because you know the thing about it

[40:24] is we can't take this school situation where they not may not be able to open

[40:28] up on you know on the first day school. So I think we need to get it

[40:34] hashed out and and see if we can't work out some kind of compromise because you

[40:38] know I mean the public a school is a public entity. I mean, it's not like,

[40:42] you know, a developer has funding to develop whatever it is that they're

[40:46] going to. The school, the public school, you know, has limited funding just as we

[40:49] do. >> And

[40:52] they have they have a 10 times the funding we have. And the school's

[40:57] responsibility for their funding pool is way bigger than us

[41:01] » and they do a thousand times better for this community than we do.

[41:05] » That's the purpose of a public school. But that's a matter of prescribing

[41:09] nothing. >> Again, I agree with

[41:13] » Yeah. Well, that's special meeting. >> Yes, that's item number 10.

[41:19] » Yep.

[41:28] » What's that? >> Do you have more to say, Bruce?

[41:32] » Did we pick a date? >> Start till later.

[41:34] » Start till later. It's on the agenda for Ted.

[41:39] Item 10. >> Um,

[41:43] the last sentence in my two paragraph, two paragraph deal. Uh, Mr. Long raises

[41:52] the issue whether or not I have the authority to write the letter that I

[41:55] did. And like I said, they'll the board say that's true or false.

[42:03] I completely agree. >> I was hoping you wouldn't.

[42:11] » True. True or false? >> True.

[42:16] » Well, I didn't feel like I had much choice.

[42:20] That's what I did. >> Well, I

[42:22] » had to do something get thing off at dead center.

[42:25] » Yeah, I think that you were completely in line to do that. Thank you for doing

[42:30] that. Well, and I

[42:35] Trevor called me at hall to discuss it and we

[42:41] kind of what discussed what I just mentioned with you, Gary. He had no idea

[42:47] that or he he didn't remember. I believe he was standing right here in the

[42:51] meeting when the attorney said, "I don't suggest that the school get involved

[42:56] with an internet uh having the town >> get involved with the grant."

[43:03] » He said one entity cannot take out a grant on behalf of another entity,

[43:07] » right? >> And um

[43:11] » and we did anyways and our second attorney said it was fine.

[43:17] And it simply because it creates a hornet sense. There you go.

[43:23] This the school has their funds. They they got the the taxes from everybody

[43:29] and and so we're not just looking at 58 million or 60 million. There's there's

[43:36] there's a 90 million budget there. So we can discuss that.

[43:44] And you >> you're all aware that they bonded the

[43:48] project. You can't take the construction bond money and use it to buy school

[43:54] buses or books. >> Right.

[43:56] » It has to be for construction. You violate that and the bonds will become

[44:01] taxable. >> Right.

[44:03] » That's how that >> right. Right. still being said the

[44:07] hugest mistake of all that seems

[44:14] um sword.

[44:21] Um I included in the packet a

[44:27] invoice from

[44:31] 40 pounds and

[44:36] I'll tell you when I saw it, I laughed because he sat in my office and told me

[44:40] that he was like doing this out of the good goodness of his part. In fact, I

[44:46] told him that if I was him, I would have asked all the collaborate holders and

[44:51] the gifts to share in that. But at any rate, now we get a bill and I would

[44:55] probably just send him a note that said no thank you,

[45:01] » right? Unless you all know something else. I mean, it's quite possible that

[45:06] I don't know what I'm talking about. The board made some agreement with the long

[45:11] before I was here. No, he called he called me when uh

[45:19] because I said there was it was incorrect that there was no he said

[45:24] there's no water rights to apparel subdivision and handed me a folder and

[45:28] it said at the bottom you get what you paid for. I said, "For you, I understand

[45:32] what you're saying because I went through this when I first came up here

[45:38] and was on the board and then asked the board because that line had been coming

[45:44] down to our subdivision and the back field." I said that that subdivision has

[45:49] been flood irrigated all these years. But when we closed with the Terrells,

[45:54] the Terrell signed that the water rights for the subdivision over to the town. So

[46:00] it's the town's water. There is no adjudicated water to each individual lot

[46:06] or to the subdivision particularly but the water belongs to the town. So that's

[46:16] the discussion and he he had taken it upon himself and

[46:23] said that he shortened the line u to make it more efficient. So the town

[46:31] never had had the opportunity okay what engineering was done who decided he he

[46:38] did the work himself u bought the materials put it in and that's that was

[46:45] the first that I heard about it >> okay well

[46:50] » I don't see any reason to reimburse somebody who didn't sit down and come up

[46:53] with a plan we have our own staff we have our own backhoe and they need to be

[46:58] coordinating stuff before they Okay. Did you get any receipts for any of these

[47:03] things? Did you get receipts?

[47:07] No. >> Did you

[47:10] Who who gave them a grant for $14,000? Don't know.

[47:17] » Yeah, I would say no.

[47:23] » All right, that's easy enough for um

[47:27] » Does it need to be voted on or are we good? Uh, you just provide direction.

[47:33] » They don't need to vote on it. Does anybody else have opinions?

[47:36] » No, we don't vote on anything. I do. It's just we just do it and see what

[47:40] happens.

[47:43] Um, did you want to talk about your public

[47:47] works employees? >> Sure.

[47:50] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[47:51] » I was going to do that, but might as well have you stand up here and take a

[47:57] meeting.

[48:04] likely valuation and I too >> I don't know where to stand here when

[48:09] I'm not in front of everybody what the police do in any way. So I I did an

[48:14] evaluation on our for public works employees. Uh and

[48:21] after that after beating them up a little bit um I did agree or I thought

[48:27] it was in good taste and good interest for the town to give them a raise. Um

[48:32] they've done a great job. Uh there's some stuff that we need to work on. Um,

[48:37] and I don't know, I think that was just between us, but there's some trainings

[48:40] we need to start doing with them, uh, and get them licensed up in the water

[48:46] and sewer, of course, and they are willing to do that. We just got to find

[48:49] time. Um, and I think it was much appreciated. Um, they have really

[48:55] stepped up with me. You know, we're trying to do dual roles right now. So,

[48:59] um, yeah, it was an odd thing to do, but we, you know, that was my first

[49:06] employee evaluation I had to do, and it's not fun, but

[49:12] um, but we got through it and I think that we all learn from it. So,

[49:17] I do have a question for you, Mike. I heard through the grapevine that you

[49:21] were paying for your own um training or your own um

[49:26] certifications so far. Is that true?

[49:30] » No. No. The town pays >> the town did pay. Okay. I just wanted to

[49:33] make sure that nobody feels like it's at their own expense.

[49:37] » No, I I pay for my own plumbing license. I got that before and I keep up on that.

[49:41] But the certifications I get for the town or through the town is paid by the

[49:45] town. >> Right. Are you using your plumbing

[49:47] skills through the town? >> Uh, a little bit. You know, it's kind of

[49:52] it is kind of plumbing. It's just a bigger size, you know, but it's

[49:56] something that, you know, I'd like to keep going. So, I just

[49:59] » Is that very expensive annually? >> Uh, depends on how fast I get my my uh

[50:05] continuing education now. >> Um, but it's it's not it's less than

[50:10] $100. Okay. you know, so >> and that's something I'm willing to pay

[50:13] because I had that before, you know, but >> yeah.

[50:19] » Well, if you're using that for your job, it should be reimbured. I do, but

[50:24] » and I don't do too much anymore, you know. It's it's just bigger pipes style

[50:28] and and any licenses or anything I do in the town, it's licensed to the town.

[50:33] Maybe more the wastewater sewer. So, >> okay. Once in a while I have to fix a

[50:38] toilet, but I got two guys that got raises that can do that.

[50:43] So, >> thank you for what you do.

[50:47] » Well, as as as uh as we've said in the past, our public

[50:53] works takes care of basically the foundation of the town. Uh

[51:00] but the water, the sewer, the streets, the snow, all of it. And

[51:05] what I found through experience as as being in charge of the the phone

[51:10] committee and learned from uh upper management that

[51:18] the best way to get and most efficient is

[51:24] to give your employees or the technicians, whatever you want to call

[51:28] them, maintenance the tools and the educ education

[51:35] that they need to do their job efficiently and so things don't have to

[51:40] be uh done over five or six times. So,

[51:48] uh, I'm a real proponent of supporting education and giving getting a

[51:57] especially uh the group for what they need to do

[52:02] the job to to take care of the D. >> Appreciate it. So,

[52:11] and it and it turned out that, you know, through through the back surgeries and

[52:15] my manager above me when she go to Africa for 6 weeks or whatever,

[52:24] I would sit at the console like these folks do in the office and analyze loads

[52:30] and and rearrange those. And in doing that, um,

[52:39] you know, who who is just like you would spend Mike send Mike out to do something

[52:44] or uh Cory,

[52:50] you know what their work skills are. So I would adjust the

[52:56] loads and whatnot. and and we ended up uh out of the 14 states that US West

[53:02] had, we had the number one results as far as efficiency, we our overtime was

[53:08] down. Guys that uh it was a union, so there was a limited vacation, but guys

[53:14] that needed to take time off or wanted time off were able to take time off

[53:19] during the old hours and so it lowered the cost to the company. Um,

[53:26] but that was just a I guess on the job or experience something that I that I

[53:32] learned through doing that. So

[53:38] overall, I think it it it saves the town money by

[53:44] if there's something that needs to the public works to make things more

[53:49] efficient around here, then we certainly need to take that serious.

[53:55] » Yeah. >> Take care of the the public.

[54:03] Anything else, Bruce? >> Yeah, a couple more things. Um,

[54:09] as far as I'm concerned, you're at budget time

[54:12] and I was wondering who you had in mind to do the budget.

[54:18] » I think that the previous board entered into I remember reading I don't remember

[54:23] how many years the contract Oh, sorry. I'm thinking of the the audit. Sorry, my

[54:30] bad. Um, are you up to doing a budget?

[54:38] » I've done a few. >> Yeah, I bet.

[54:44] » Well, I just kind of look around and having a hard time unloading that.

[54:50] » What?

[54:56] » Yeah, I kind of figured that. that wasn't and I wasn't being a smart ass. I

[55:00] was just hoping to be something else. Um, with that thought in mind, one of

[55:07] probably the biggest single item in the I think that's probably true in the in

[55:13] the general fund is the sheriff contract uh that expires at the end of the year.

[55:20] If you're going to do something other than

[55:26] renewing it, you need to get organized and get going.

[55:30] » Can we please schedule a work session with Debec?

[55:34] » There you go. >> Um, Debec was very interested in working

[55:40] with us when we contracted makes it. We were told otherwise

[55:47] and he has a lot of ideas and a lot of information.

[55:53] » He'd be sorry. >> I promise you would be sorry.

[55:58] » It can't be any worse. Bruce. >> So

[56:05] in in your in your opinion, if we need to

[56:10] if if we decide not to renew that, we either need to

[56:14] start our own Marshall's department by itself.

[56:19] » Yeah.

[56:23] » Day off with a million dollars. If you don't want to go up the back, do

[56:27] you want to >> It won't work.

[56:29] » Sir, >> it just won't work. You have a hard

[56:32] enough time and you have a marshall in this town keeping them in the town. They

[56:36] going to make an agreement where the officers have a

[56:41] almost a requirement to be driving around in the county between here and

[56:45] Quebec. It won't work. You'll be unhappy with it. The officers will be unhappy

[56:50] because you'll be bitching at him all the time and you won't save a nickel.

[56:55] Well, he has um other there he knows about the grants and he knows how to

[57:01] start up a Marshall's department again and he has he wants to pitch that to us.

[57:06] I told you what I thought. You do whatever you want.

[57:09] » Okay. >> I see no reason to change my agreement.

[57:13] Everything. I see no reason to. You know, we cannot afford setting up our

[57:18] police force, buying another vehicle, paying those salaries, having at least

[57:21] three entities for this. I see no reason to do that. That we need to have

[57:25] » somebody here though. >> We need somebody here.

[57:28] » Somebody here >> working

[57:30] » and we need our traffic taken care of. And that's not happening right now.

[57:34] » No, it's not. When I'm mowing the lawn like today, when I mow the lawn at the

[57:38] clinic and I got people going 50 by me on the road, copy the old lady,

[57:43] » then we should let them know. Well, >> we have countless times. Citizens have

[57:48] called and called. >> And one of the first things, sheriff's

[57:53] department said, I guarantee you before we signed the contract that there would

[57:58] probably be, you know, more more DUIs and more uh driving through town as

[58:06] such. I have >> the street,

[58:08] » walking down the street. I have personally seen

[58:13] at our to that. Anyway,

[58:17] two two drivebys. >> And you think that was not happening

[58:21] prior to Mason County? >> You think that was not happening in this

[58:26] town? >> Prior to M prior to Mason County and

[58:30] when we did have marshals, I mean,

[58:34] » it was constantly whether it was Jeff or Adam, I don't know, but it was it was

[58:39] constantly at night. It might be 2:00 in the morning or something, but it was

[58:44] constant. >> We don't have any off here at night.

[58:47] » No. >> But I guess you know the first thing you

[58:49] need to do is do the math. See what it's going to take to have a vehicle or two

[58:53] vehicles. What it's going to take for the salaries of two to three

[58:56] individuals. what it's going to take to make sure that there is trained at every

[59:00] qualification because we know prior to some of the some of the things that we

[59:05] had some of the employees that we had were not trained to do all of the kind

[59:09] of things that Mesa County Sheriff's Department is able to do. So, I wouldn't

[59:14] agree to it until I can see that that individual has the same qualifications

[59:18] of those individuals that work in here. The same qualifications because if they

[59:22] don't, the liability is ours. It's not theirs. It's ours. Right now, the

[59:27] liability lies with the county sheriff's department. Right. But if you change

[59:31] that, >> we're not exempt from liability. We're

[59:34] not exempt from liability. We are asking I am asking I have been in

[59:40] contact with the deb Marshall. I am asking for him to come and give a work

[59:44] session on alternative solutions and what he

[59:49] thinks. >> How many speeding tickets were given out

[59:52] in the month of August? >> They don't release how many tickets.

[59:54] I've asked for that. They release traffic stops, which could be stopping

[59:59] to end a person with a flat tire. >> Yes.

[1:00:02] » Or stopping to give somebody a ride because they ran out of gas.

[1:00:05] » Right. >> I live right where we have the traffic.

[1:00:07] I did exactly what the town board told me to do, what the sheriff's said to do,

[1:00:12] and that was called dispatch. I called dispatch at 6:00 in the morning and told

[1:00:16] them, "You got the 8500 going up out of town. Where's anybody at?" Well, you

[1:00:22] know, apparently in Culbrron, crimes don't happen until the law happens to be

[1:00:28] up here. And then less than 24 hours later, I called somebody was driving up

[1:00:34] the street at 1:00 in the morning with a light bar on, which is illegal on a main

[1:00:39] road and the dispatch told me, "This is affecting you. How?" I said, "Well,

[1:00:46] they're speeding you." I got nothing. And then finally

[1:00:51] the sheriff called and he said he said and you can listen to the playback tape

[1:00:56] told me it's a small town. Why are you worried about people speeding? It's

[1:01:01] going to happen. >> Oh, so the sheriffs up here are what? 9

[1:01:07] to5 with an hour lunch break and half hour naps.

[1:01:11] » We don't know. what I seeed. I have seen men more at the school since school

[1:01:16] started than I saw them all summer long in town.

[1:01:20] » There's also responsibility of the school to pay a portion of their income

[1:01:25] of their which um so yeah >> it's just not happening and we were told

[1:01:31] that that was not necessary. >> The sher

[1:01:35] is frustrating because there was a 15year-old kid riding his

[1:01:40] motorcycle all over town. No helmet, no driver, no license.

[1:01:44] They told us, "Get a picture of it." Why? I I'm not paid to be sheriff. Do

[1:01:49] your job. >> It's not our job.

[1:01:51] » Get a picture of it. And when we did call it in 3 weeks later, I'm like,

[1:01:56] "Huh? >> Nothing.

[1:01:58] » Nothing."

[1:02:01] So, no, they're not doing their job.

[1:02:07] Listen to the girls at the clinic. They'll say the same thing. listen to

[1:02:11] the people who live up on a peninsula. >> I hear all day every day. I hear I hear

[1:02:16] the whole community has has said stuff and and one of the things that the

[1:02:21] sheriff's department said that we would have we were assured that we would have

[1:02:26] 247 coverage. >> Yeah.

[1:02:29] » And we're in Mesa County anyway

[1:02:35] and so we're supposed to be protected by Mesa County. Um,

[1:02:39] » yeah, >> I almost feel like what we've done by by

[1:02:43] spending $350,000 is let them hire

[1:02:49] more staff that's being used more time down in

[1:02:53] Grand Junction than right here. >> And the sheriff's paying for sitting on

[1:02:58] driveways in Molina because somebody's dog got hit.

[1:03:01] » Yeah. >> Right.

[1:03:04] traffic which we as the municipal town of Culbrron should not be paying for all

[1:03:09] of Mesa County to be patrolled. >> No, it should be the top of room.

[1:03:14] » I completely agree. >> I have I will say I have seen on Main

[1:03:19] Street this week three or four times that he's pulled somebody.

[1:03:23] » That's good. I wonder if traffic tickets were issued.

[1:03:27] » They were. some of them are accustomed to

[1:03:33] like to see the speeding get under control and I know since I complained

[1:03:36] last time I have heard that wine deputy is stepping it up and I appreciate that

[1:03:41] but I'm not up to spending $1,000 a day for the amount of services that we're

[1:03:48] getting at this time

[1:03:51] and I'd like to hear other options >> should get the uh county commissioner

[1:03:56] down here I mean you So, you know, you're you're way far away. Yeah, you

[1:04:02] still have to drive down there to get a vehicle title. You know, don't have that

[1:04:05] kind of support. You can't even vote here. Of course, you can't move any

[1:04:08] place mostly. Um, you know, this this end of the county is not serviced by the

[1:04:13] county. You're not part of this county. The county is

[1:04:16] » as a municipality, we are required by state statutes to provide our own police

[1:04:21] protection. >> That's not really what it's saying.

[1:04:25] » I I understand. I say I say you guys are neglected by the county.

[1:04:28] » I I completely agree, but we do have to pay them to be here. So,

[1:04:34] » sure. We're going to have to have a special board meeting to bring this up

[1:04:37] and have a discussion with Palis. >> I think we need to listen, Bob, and see

[1:04:42] what he has to say. He has ideas for grants. He has ideas for merges. He has

[1:04:46] ideas for us just standing up our own marshals department again

[1:04:51] » and grants that will cover that since we got rid of everything. I I know that

[1:04:55] Adam himself wrote a grant to to replace his vehicle one year. Um

[1:05:03] » was that the last one you had? >> Not the new one.

[1:05:06] » No, that one. >> Not the brand new one.

[1:05:08] » Not the brand new last. >> Yeah. No, the brand new one was never

[1:05:11] really They had 500 mile. Yeah. Well, >> okay.

[1:05:16] » Maybe that was delivery. I don't know. Well,

[1:05:19] » he also knows how to write up 9A with the school so that they can vape for

[1:05:23] their own coverage because he does that in bed.

[1:05:30] » I hope so.

[1:05:37] » Okay. Um

[1:05:41] item number eight, October Fest budgetary request

[1:05:47] SCB and CERSA insurance bring in a presented by intern town clerk

[1:05:55] for Tasha Vig supply. By motion, we approve the October Fest

[1:06:03] budgetary request fee and CERSA in shows program in the amount $39430.

[1:06:10] And we are also waving the where did I see that somewhere else?

[1:06:18] » It should be a $25 >> and also waving the $25 fee to the state

[1:06:22] of Colorado for the special events fee. >> Second.

[1:06:26] We have a motion and a second. Is there any further discussion?

[1:06:32] Hearing none. None. May we have a vote, please?

[1:06:34] » Trusty Bethl, >> yes.

[1:06:37] » Trusty Price, >> yes.

[1:06:38] » Trusty Stalin, >> yes.

[1:06:40] » Trusty Wingle Black, >> yes.

[1:06:41] » Mayor Wilcox, >> yes. Motion passes.

[1:06:48] » Item number nine, request for sponsorship for youth

[1:06:52] » Jim Canada status series P B Y A. We have $250 left in our

[1:07:03] discretionary funds and I motion that we give them their gold buckle sponsor in

[1:07:08] the amount of $200

[1:07:15] » from the discrepancy funds. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second

[1:07:23] for the October Fest. Is there any further discussion on this one's for the

[1:07:32] I'm sorry.

[1:07:37] » Yeah, sir. I didn't circle number. Apologize. Anyway, have a motion in a

[1:07:44] second. Any further discussion? Hearing none. Vote, please.

[1:07:51] » Trusty Bethl, >> yes.

[1:07:52] » Trusty Price, >> yes.

[1:07:54] » Trusty Stalin, >> yes.

[1:07:56] » Trusty Wingle Black, >> yes. Mayor Will Cox.

[1:07:59] » Yes. >> Motion passes.

[1:08:02] Okay. I 10 set a special meeting for discussion of the water line to

[1:08:09] B PBSD by the LA school district.

[1:08:17] Well,

[1:08:25] is there a date that works best for?

[1:08:30] » I'm open as well. Depends on what time day it is.

[1:08:35] » I've got a boiler inspection next Monday and after that I'm open from now till

[1:08:42] » almost next week. >> Yeah, I'm going to be here.

[1:08:47] if you are your child, >> but it doesn't have to wait for me.

[1:08:56] » Yeah. in in that uh

[1:09:00] 19th. >> I would ask that you guys read what the

[1:09:04] municipal code says and spend some time on

[1:09:09] Google searching other who pays for who pays for the cost of a water line to

[1:09:16] be installed and what state statute in Colorado that

[1:09:20] refers to. You guys can find the information you need.

[1:09:26] Um, >> and keep in mind our fiscally

[1:09:30] responsibility duty to the to the constituents of our town, not the entire

[1:09:36] community, please. That's all I ask of.

[1:09:44] And since it is a a special u discussion about the waterline and it involves the

[1:09:50] school probably need to contact

[1:09:54] the school superintendent because I believe

[1:09:57] » I would get your advice from before you contact him

[1:10:02] » the I've spoken with um the crown attorney and his suggestion is that when

[1:10:07] we hold this meeting we have an executive session so that you guys can

[1:10:11] receive legal advice.

[1:10:15] So that's part of it is I'm not sure we necessarily want to invite the school

[1:10:20] yet. >> Yeah. I just didn't know if if because

[1:10:25] we were discussing something that involved them if they if they had the

[1:10:29] right to be there at that meeting. Okay. >> The public portion of the meeting. Yes.

[1:10:34] They would have every right to be at an executive session. They do not have a

[1:10:37] right to be at the time. I have to have 24-hour notice.

[1:10:52] » I assume that the attorney would come up action either person.

[1:10:57] » Mhm.

[1:11:00] » Yeah. We could do bright orange or you guys can

[1:11:05] I don't have to be here, of course. You know, I have a lot to say

[1:11:11] and I would like to hear, but I don't want to hear. I'm just

[1:11:15] » come back. >> I do not know.

[1:11:17] » But I'm going on vacation in the second week of October. Oh, I've got three

[1:11:23] weeks bringing up weeks. >> What are you leaving, Jessica?

[1:11:29] » Saturday morning. >> Okay.

[1:11:33] Then you see if the the attorney can be here before Friday and then we could

[1:11:42] » let's just schedule it attentively for 10 a.m. Friday

[1:11:46] and see if that works for

[1:11:51] this

[1:11:54] » Friday the 12th >> Friday the 5th.

[1:11:57] » This Friday. >> This Friday. Okay. Well, I won't be

[1:12:01] here. >> You're not

[1:12:03] No,

[1:12:06] » I I'm leaving and I'll be back on the uh 13th.

[1:12:12] Go back to California. My dog. >> Oh,

[1:12:18] flying out tomorrow.

[1:12:22] Then my family, the niece and the dogs, they're all going to come back. We'll be

[1:12:27] here until sometime November. Can you do Zoom

[1:12:32] Friday morning? >> Friday morning? No, I I fly out

[1:12:37] tomorrow.

[1:12:40] » Oh, Zoom. >> No, he cannot. We'll be at a funeral.

[1:12:45] » Okay. >> No, you cannot.

[1:12:47] » Yeah, we cannot. We'll be at a funeral. Yes. Got it.

[1:12:50] » Thank you, J. Appreciate that.

[1:12:57] And it's not going to be mine, I hope.

[1:13:08] Bring the family back.

[1:13:12] » Well, we could try we could try th Thursday at 10 a.m. at the can be here.

[1:13:17] » Not tomorrow. This Thursday. >> I mean, no, not tomorrow. It would have

[1:13:19] to be Friday and it's Thursday. >> Friday at the earliest or tomorrow?

[1:13:27] Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't have to be event

[1:13:35] 45 minutes to post it.

[1:13:41] » Yeah, me earlier the better. >> Be in the States

[1:13:46] and I'm going to be focused on my family.

[1:13:48] » Well, right. >> No,

[1:13:50] » at 9:00 a.m. >> No.

[1:13:53] Well, that's someone saying we're talking.

[1:13:56] » Oh, Terry just asked if I can do Zoom out of town.

[1:13:59] » Oh, I was sorry. I was listening to Terry or whatever. Sorry, Terry. It's

[1:14:04] » Listen. >> So, can we do this earlier? Can we do it

[1:14:06] at 9:00 instead of 10? >> Sounds good to me.

[1:14:10] » Friday. >> That's fine with me.

[1:14:13] » Ducty would have to >> about 8:30.

[1:14:18] I mean, >> it would have to be posted by 9:00 a.m.

[1:14:21] tomorrow morning.

[1:14:28] This is posted in 20 minutes. >> Can you make the poster door?

[1:14:32] » That's why you're here. If you give me a Sharpie and a piece of

[1:14:36] paper

[1:14:39] to open,

[1:14:47] » we definitely need to make sure Bruce could be done.

[1:14:53] » Is Bruce still here, Mike? >> No, he was.

[1:14:55] » No, >> I think you guys are just cutting it too

[1:14:57] close by rushing into Friday. Gary will be back on the not till the 13th.

[1:15:02] » That's a Saturday. 's got to get moving.

[1:15:08] » So, we're got to get moving. >> Yeah.

[1:15:13] » I think Friday at 9's a little stressful, though. As far as

[1:15:17] » the agenda has to be posted and

[1:15:24] » is 10 phasable, dusty or nine?

[1:15:32] and is probably better >> because she still has to confirm with

[1:15:37] everybody else. >> Well, yeah. I'm gonna have to get a hold

[1:15:39] of the town attorney and confirm with him and I need to keep her in Bruce that

[1:15:42] that he'll be around on that day and time. Um,

[1:15:46] wish you a little finagling and I need to have enough time

[1:15:51] to where I'm not running trying to get something posted and then it's a minute

[1:15:57] late posted and then there I am and now I've messed up everything.

[1:16:03] If you just give me that little bit of cushion,

[1:16:08] » okay, >> then we can shoot for 10:00 and I'll let

[1:16:11] you know as soon as I know tomorrow morning. Okay.

[1:16:15] » Yeah. Either 10 or two. >> Huh?

[1:16:18] » 10 or two. >> 12:30.

[1:16:22] » 10 in the morning or 2:00 in the afternoon. I mean, if we're going to go

[1:16:25] 10, we might as well go two cuz it's right there in the middle of

[1:16:30] the day. And that just

[1:16:37] stuff. So, that's why I was trying to have it earlier, but like I said,

[1:16:40] whatever. Let's keep going.

[1:16:46] Well, I would say contact Bruce and contact the attorney and

[1:16:51] see what's most feasible for that and see if we can make it happen.

[1:16:57] » And thank you.

[1:17:01] » Thank you.

[1:17:07] Item 11, broadband fiber discussion.

[1:17:15] Wow.

[1:17:19] You mentioned that they have one power line to bring in. Not here in Denver.

[1:17:23] Sounds like they're waiting on that last piece.

[1:17:28] Can we figure out how much the town has to pay for this?

[1:17:31] One month. Secrets

[1:17:36] » secret. I mean obviously

[1:17:41] » we're three years behind schedule too. So

[1:17:44] » there's no secrets. Everything's a secret.

[1:17:49] » I I was down last weekend because the fire was not installed. I lost two or

[1:17:55] three customers. Two customers been with me for years.

[1:17:59] Um I'm sick of waiting in town. I know it's not my turn to talk, but

[1:18:05] I wasn't on the agenda, but that's okay. I wasn't planning on talking. Was good.

[1:18:12] I just don't feel like this is, you know, some of waste my time.

[1:18:20] » It's been going on and on and I understand your frustration.

[1:18:22] » Yeah. >> Well, the crazy thing is it was the most

[1:18:26] V1s and their time bomb on the GPS. I found

[1:18:31] that out Friday afternoon on top of me. So all you got to do is cut the uh desk

[1:18:36] and then off. First you got to take them apart, bring them down up

[1:18:45] years. >> Have they settled on an affordable price

[1:18:49] for you? >> No. You

[1:18:52] know what I say? I've been with them for 12 years. It's

[1:18:57] it's comparable market rates I've seen other places. what they want to charge

[1:19:01] me for rack space up here I think is 10 times what I paid them invoice rack

[1:19:08] space so that was frustrating but I understand what I was paying them

[1:19:11] previously was not sustainable I got grandfathered in as one of their first

[1:19:15] clients >> I disagree about

[1:19:20] somewhere in the middle and and we had a long discussion yesterday and probably

[1:19:25] will be this week um I want them to stay around want to say see them sustainable

[1:19:31] Um, but from my standpoint, everything was

[1:19:35] handed to you. Now you have to maintain it. So does the necessity need to, you

[1:19:40] know, be to maintain your entire estate project. You represent helping to be

[1:19:46] maintainable. >> We're not getting any money from region

[1:19:49] 10. >> Correct. Correct. No, no. I just they

[1:19:52] they don't need us providers don't need to pay for their whole three-state

[1:19:56] network. Yeah.

[1:20:05] » He's got great pricing. He lives in junction. He's got some sweet deals.

[1:20:10] » We have to maintain all the all the fiber. Just so you know, the town

[1:20:14] » back to Quebec >> from back ditch the mid. We have to

[1:20:19] maintain all >> I concede that because I think you're

[1:20:22] responsible for the downtown building >> then in charging us is responsible for

[1:20:28] everything from the CNL panel. I'd love to look

[1:20:31] » I'd like for you to look over those agreements too because it doesn't seem

[1:20:37] » the reason I see bringing them in to help for that reason that you were only

[1:20:43] responsible here in the same job but I would love that they do their

[1:20:52] » well the agreement was signed it was pushed through a year and a half ago

[1:20:56] before this board took over and not a single question was asked And it was a

[1:21:01] heck of a long agreement. happy to call them tomorrow.

[1:21:06] I work with >> they do have a lot of locations and I

[1:21:11] think that's one reason it's behind schedule

[1:21:16] got wrapped in these bigger projects than the funding and I think I think I

[1:21:19] wouldn't be surprised part of their high prices because C do is probably

[1:21:28] ripping them off really bad. Um,

[1:21:32] but I don't see, you know, I I think Danny and I could run this whole thing,

[1:21:41] you know, probably make it competitive. I think

[1:21:45] right now letter you guys got there. You're just

[1:21:49] listening to us at Barrow. Over's got the uh contract with the school. So,

[1:21:57] » another company came in. So it's going to be interesting too.

[1:22:02] » The company came in to get the >> that's brainstorm.

[1:22:06] » They have them previously as a what do you call it? They have some sort of

[1:22:10] government grant program for their internet and then they're the only I

[1:22:14] don't know I'm not approved to give them that. What is the name of that program?

[1:22:18] » Oh yeah. >> They they have a previous contract that

[1:22:21] lasts until November, February somewhere in there until they

[1:22:26] are able to look for something else. So the school has to bring this contract

[1:22:30] through very

[1:22:34] they should have put out the bid. >> Well, it's coming up to it's a 5year

[1:22:37] contract before this unit started. It's coming up this year, too. Do it.

[1:22:44] I mean, it depends on the school and how they do it. You know, they can do it out

[1:22:47] once a month or you know if you're even approved

[1:22:52] resell

[1:22:55] coming out they previous correct me if I'm wrong with it. Did you

[1:23:01] did you say now I told uh that we would be responsible for the

[1:23:08] magnets where from the back to the midp let's find that out. I I don't know.

[1:23:14] Let's find that out. It's the last meeting in March. I think it's March

[1:23:17] 9th, 2024.

[1:23:20] Huge agreement. You can probably come in and request it.

[1:23:25] » Do we have anybody from region 10 on with us tonight? I know requesting one

[1:23:31] here.

[1:23:36] » Let's uh ask person in charge. >> Tell us what you know, Eric.

[1:23:42] » Hi there. Good to meet you all. As you might know, I'm um also have

[1:23:48] roots in Plat Valley, graduated from Plato Valley High School and related to

[1:23:54] the hills of Coburn and uh was in Mr. Winkle Black's class

[1:23:59] in sixth grade. So deep roots >> in the county and in um the area. Most

[1:24:06] of my family still lives there. So um I wasn't involved with some of those

[1:24:11] negotiations that were u I wasn't part associated with breathing 10 when those

[1:24:17] were made. So I can't speak to the details of how and the rationale behind

[1:24:23] say maintenance of the fiber uh going from back to culbrin. Um, I can tell you

[1:24:30] how this is being run everywhere else and that Culbrron is just basically one

[1:24:35] node on a giant network that goes all the way from Denver to Grand Junction

[1:24:41] and includes nodes that that region 10 built. they were really building it just

[1:24:46] to get themselves better internet from Denver, but then there were all these I7

[1:24:51] corridor uh locations that said, "Hey, we we'd like to get some better back

[1:24:57] hall um along I72." And so the concept of the CNL is not new. It's been it's

[1:25:03] been employed um in Project Thor in the area around Eagle and um all the way up

[1:25:11] to Steamboat and stuff for some time and rather effectively and uh they pay

[1:25:16] actually the individual communities up there pay a tremendous amount per month

[1:25:20] just to maintain that network. Uh region 10 does it a little bit differently. the

[1:25:24] only way that they may make income on income for the what the counties of the

[1:25:29] six counties of region 10 have um contributed towards dual grants like for

[1:25:35] 20-year IRUs for fiber going all the way with Zo and C dot to Denver and to Grand

[1:25:39] Junction and elsewhere all the way down to to Nucla and eventually that's going

[1:25:44] to extend down to where I live which is in Pagosa Springs which is in region 9.

[1:25:49] Um the only way that they maintain any of their sustainability is via leasing

[1:25:55] of uh those those fiber lines on a dark fiber lease. Um in some cases or not

[1:26:02] dark fiber lease, sorry, sorry, it's a little bit more technical than that and

[1:26:05] I won't get into it. It's more of a it's optical transport gear where they put

[1:26:09] very expensive equipment that they paid for into these CNLs and that provide

[1:26:15] internet to Daniel or Mark or Vero or whomever else wants to be in there. It's

[1:26:21] a carrier neutral location meaning it doesn't anyone can be in there. anyone

[1:26:25] gets the same prices. And those prices, I didn't set those either, but they did

[1:26:30] have a um Colorado based internet um consulting and broadband consulting

[1:26:36] company do a survey of those to find what the the current standards were both

[1:26:42] for um the prices that they're currently advertising across the board for um

[1:26:50] being in the CNL. that's basically commensurate with colllocation is also

[1:26:54] what it's called is another name for being in Iraq and having space and

[1:26:58] having you know access to the power and the in the redundant cooling and the in

[1:27:03] the generators and everything else that goes with that. Um so they do uh have

[1:27:08] rack space that they um that they charge for in a half rack or a full rack um

[1:27:13] increments, but also for either the internet that they're providing which is

[1:27:20] um fed from either Denver or Salt Lake right now is what the the plan is and um

[1:27:25] is almost complete as Daniel mentioned. We're just waiting on Lumen in um in

[1:27:31] 1850 Pearl Street in Denver to bring in the right power for to run the last

[1:27:37] router. the the optical transport gear which is as high very complicated and

[1:27:42] highly expensive equipment is installed in Cronin as it is in um all the other

[1:27:47] locations along I7 that wanted to become part of this network which included

[1:27:52] Newcastle Glenwood Palisade Rifle um a lot of Mesa County and Garfield County

[1:27:58] locations and Palisad Grand themsel and Pruda are all included and and PBR got

[1:28:04] in in a part of that. I, you know, from having grown up there, we didn't really

[1:28:09] have internet at the school, I think Mr. Shot had an email address and he was the

[1:28:14] only person I knew who had an email address when I was in high school. So,

[1:28:17] wasn't an issue back then, but a huge issue now. I I support the school

[1:28:21] district down here in Arceloa County. And um I've kind of gone through the

[1:28:25] same process where and that's how I even got hooked up with threes and 10 is that

[1:28:29] we had a single century link line of fiber line coming in to uh Barcela

[1:28:34] County and we're building we're not um our fiber as well all the way to to um

[1:28:40] Durango through the southern u tribe and then leasing from seed dot going over

[1:28:45] Wolf Creek just so we can get alternative paths into and out of our

[1:28:49] area which is you know affects public safety with the cell phone tower. It

[1:28:53] affects the school districts and all the other organizations that depend on um

[1:28:58] you know good b good broadband and especially high high capacity like the

[1:29:03] school district might need. Um and we're we're I I'm the broadband manager for

[1:29:08] Archel County in addition to helping region 10. Um I was already going to

[1:29:13] lease from CEO going to Wolf Creek Pass. But the problem is where do I go from

[1:29:18] there? That gets me to South Fork. Um, Southport is not where the internet

[1:29:22] lives and Debec is also not where the internet lives. And you, if you connect

[1:29:27] to something, you can't just have, you know, a CNL or even just fiber to to

[1:29:33] this the C do um location on the highway there in Tobec. You need something that

[1:29:38] takes you all the way to the internet points of presence. And um that's what

[1:29:43] this the Reason 10 network does. And that's what it's meant to do. And it

[1:29:48] will if you take advantage of that and then let whomever wins the um for say

[1:29:54] for the school district whoever wins the rate competition and it could be any of

[1:29:58] these guys that are in this room um they get a spin number when it comes up for

[1:30:02] bid. I think I heard that mentioned. They can all utilize your town fiber

[1:30:07] that's already built to just say, "Okay, well, we'll use the region 10 network.

[1:30:11] We'll buy some internet from them. We'll patch that in at the CNL over to the

[1:30:15] school district." And the school district from day one should have a gig,

[1:30:19] five gigs, whatever they need for the entire school to be able to to run

[1:30:24] efficiently and effectively from that day forward. And what I'm hearing is

[1:30:28] currently the wireless that was inherited I think by Vero from

[1:30:33] Brainstorm is very unreliable and does not give the school district what they

[1:30:38] need on a daily basis to perform adequate schooling. So this is all

[1:30:42] really the same thing I'm trying to do down here in Archeletta County is what's

[1:30:46] happening there in uh Coburn where in Plat Valley um in general where we're

[1:30:52] trying to get connect better connected than the old Century Link lines um that

[1:30:57] we had in Arcelota County or whatever it is that you also are using. I think it's

[1:31:02] microwave for the most part um over the mesa. Uh we're trying to get better

[1:31:06] connections into the world. Um Mr. K, which I'm sure um Gary uh Mr.

[1:31:12] Winkleblack also remember would often say to our high school, there is a world

[1:31:16] beyond these hills. That was his mantra almost every day we went into social

[1:31:21] study and this is how we connect to the world on the beyond these hills.

[1:31:27] » Hey Eric, real quick a question for you. Um, so I guess the question made before

[1:31:33] we started this was who is in the in the region 10 contract? If there was a break

[1:31:39] exactly the midpoint between Culbrin and Debec on on that on that line, if there

[1:31:45] was a break, who pays the bill to get somebody to run out there and fix it?

[1:31:48] Just just real quick on that. >> As far as I understand, the maintenance

[1:31:52] is on the town to do that. Having said that, you know that V-Road isn't going

[1:31:57] to have a lot of digging going on on it. and I do all of the maintenance of all

[1:32:01] the fiber that our solo county maintains. It's not going to be region

[1:32:05] 9. It's not going to be region 10, but we will take advantage just like you do

[1:32:08] with the uh optical transport gear that's in our CNL and and uh providing

[1:32:14] housing essentially for that equipment here and be happy to have it. Um it the

[1:32:20] breaks that happen within town um from the anchor institutions wherever you

[1:32:27] have your town fiber. Uh that's why there's a suggestion to re to get a

[1:32:31] monthly fee for that so you can build a maintenance fee um that you can then pay

[1:32:37] a purion or deeply digital somebody in Grand Junction that has slicing

[1:32:43] capability and um I don't know about the locating. I think it's mostly aerial,

[1:32:47] right? So, you're not going to have to do a whole lot of locating in town, but

[1:32:50] and I understand that Mike might be able to do what part that you do have, but I

[1:32:55] think I've never really paid um once I build up about $10,000 in a maintenance

[1:33:00] fee that will pay for an average um likely occurrence of a break here in

[1:33:06] Bagosa. And you have I have a lot more um potential break points of crossings

[1:33:10] of highways and uh I think a snow plow hit at one spot of school when they you

[1:33:14] know we're going up an alleyway. Um there there's at times it happens but

[1:33:19] the average cost per fix was about5 to $7,000. I never really have had more

[1:33:24] than once a year. Usually it's one not even every year. Uh and that's here I

[1:33:29] think in Coburn. Um the way I've seen your network um and that especially that

[1:33:34] connection from Debec to Pagosa, it's just maybe a wash

[1:33:40] out is your biggest issue of if you actually had a flash flood that took out

[1:33:45] where that's buried and it's usually I think about 4 foot down. So that's

[1:33:49] pretty unlikely even on itself in the road. But I yes that's what I my

[1:33:54] understanding is I like I said I wasn't part of that negotiation is that the

[1:33:58] town is responsible for the maintenance. But my suggestion is take those internal

[1:34:02] funds that you do to lease to the the fiber in town and build up a maintenance

[1:34:06] fund and then you can you can fix splice cases when they get broken at some point

[1:34:11] and like after 10 years and start to leak. Um if there is you know something

[1:34:16] that happens or you know somebody hits a pole and knocks it down. Yeah. Usually,

[1:34:20] you can recover that cost from if it's a contractor or commercial entity, you can

[1:34:25] recover that cost from uh their insurance company, but you still have to

[1:34:29] pay it usually to get the guys to fix it first and then you try to recover that

[1:34:33] afterwards. So, it's good to have a fund even if you're going to recover your

[1:34:35] cost. Does that answer your question? I mean,

[1:34:38] it's as much as I could. >> Yes. Could you um find that portion in

[1:34:44] the agreement and send that over tomorrow?

[1:34:47] uh the portion that talks about the maintenance of it. I I'll I'll ask

[1:34:51] Michelle to find it for me or one of the gals in region 10. For sure.

[1:34:56] » Thank you very much. >> I'd love for you to read the whole

[1:34:58] concept. Both of you. >> From what I understand, there's already

[1:35:02] just since the fiber was installed, it wants to be drilled. There's already uh

[1:35:07] the plow paw has been exposed through washouts or flash floods, whatever.

[1:35:14] » I I don't know anything about that. So, if it has been, that's news to me. But,

[1:35:17] as far as um maintenance of that, if there are areas that are subject to

[1:35:22] flash floods, I would hope that they the installers would have put some level of,

[1:35:26] you know, extra protection against that or it might be wise to have um somebody

[1:35:31] from maintenance do that, whether it's a meshing system or something to just kind

[1:35:35] of protect it from actual wash out. Um yeah, in general, I mean, just the the

[1:35:40] conduit being exposed is not going to cause a problem. It's what you know

[1:35:44] might happen after that if a rock gets you know dropped on it or somebody

[1:35:48] drives on it while it's exposed. Um we've had wash outs here between our

[1:35:53] believes and Pagosa before and it it's never caused an outage but it you know

[1:35:57] is something when it's exposed it does need to be rearied.

[1:36:01] » Right. No, I just from working through uh Quest communication seeing even

[1:36:08] critters chew through it just I don't know if they feel frequency.

[1:36:13] » I've never seen them. Oh, sorry. I didn't know we were finished. Um you get

[1:36:18] critters. You said >> like

[1:36:21] » I have never seen them chew through an HDP standard um conduit. I have had them

[1:36:26] I have had beavers chew through cable but there and some of the areas that

[1:36:30] I've you know buried up here but I've never certainly critters can be an

[1:36:35] issue. Uh but it's generally HTTP conduit is is pretty robust.

[1:36:42] » Okay. What is what is the uh

[1:36:49] so the proposed rental of the rack space

[1:36:55] that the ISP has to pay and then

[1:37:00] when the customer ends up having to because just like these

[1:37:07] tariffs that are going on they're going to have to pass along up their rates.

[1:37:14] in order for it to be feas to stay in business.

[1:37:18] » What are we looking at for the customer? >> Well, there's a cost to there's a cost

[1:37:23] to doing business when you're in the in any kind of business and internet

[1:37:27] service provider is no different. I I do my own small wisp and yeah, there's some

[1:37:31] overhead that I have to pay for my bandwidth um for um you know whether

[1:37:37] it's rack space or tower space. there's all these fees that are associated with

[1:37:41] it and you do generally try to charge enough um to to make a profit at the end

[1:37:48] of it. But as far as the internal u financials that's going on with each of

[1:37:52] your ISPs, I can't speak to those. But others here in in uh in region 10 don't

[1:37:58] seem to have a problem. I've floated that same pricing to um the what we're

[1:38:04] setting up here in Pagosa and I have not gotten any push back from the ISPs here

[1:38:08] as being what they they recognize that it's an expensive pro uh pro prospect to

[1:38:13] run aworked system and and it's in everyone's interest that it is

[1:38:18] sustainable which is really all region 10 is is just a collection of you know

[1:38:22] the governments of those six counties and you know so anything that they have

[1:38:28] ever tried to do and they've done it for over 10 years as Daniel said um is try

[1:38:33] to maintain a level of sustainability not um profit because at certain point

[1:38:39] DOA doesn't want to pay for maintenance when you have to do a refresh they need

[1:38:43] you and they actually some lot of times require you to show they have a

[1:38:47] capability of sustaining the network on its own uh so we're not a private um

[1:38:52] region 10 is not a private company um and they don't have venture capitalist

[1:38:57] backing they don't have um any other ways to um you know get a line of credit

[1:39:03] even to maintain their network. They need to get to a level of sustainability

[1:39:08] and if they can actually lower the prices at some point across the board

[1:39:12] and still be sustainable that may happen. Um and there is some level of

[1:39:17] give and take that does occur um when we hear that you know okay well I'm paying

[1:39:21] this much somewhere else. So if they do get a comparable that's actually

[1:39:26] comparable what region 10's apples to apples situation is they will bend they

[1:39:31] will adjust to that. Um, so what I could say is I I have seen

[1:39:36] nothing thus far that should prohibit the the use of this and the improvement

[1:39:42] of service that it provides for back hall internet uh from making it so that

[1:39:48] the any company with at least several hundred subscribers if not several

[1:39:54] thousand um I guess there's what how many 200 in the valley these days. How

[1:39:58] many is there? >> You can't count the valley. You can only

[1:40:02] count the town which 180 locations because this

[1:40:08] » the the the actual CNL was built in the town but not only for the town. I mean

[1:40:15] I'm the hope is everywhere that is >> the hope is everywhere that it's

[1:40:19] » you want to follow down 45 county residents.

[1:40:24] » My my hope is my Can I speak please? Um my hope is

[1:40:30] that um and I think everywhere is that the the fiber running into Culbrron

[1:40:35] would be used to serve greater Plato Valley residents and that's what the

[1:40:41] ISPs there are already doing and my my family being amongst them would benefit

[1:40:48] from this greater internet with actually what's going to be less cost per per

[1:40:54] megabit um and certainly more reliable. that's

[1:40:58] what has been available in the the valley before that that's not that's not

[1:41:03] the pricing that the ISPs here um should be limiting themselves to is several

[1:41:09] hundred uh residents of Coburn because that's not what they're doing now

[1:41:16] » Eric yeah I I've never talked to you in person and I'd hate to ambush you here

[1:41:21] in this meeting I I've been around since uh Eagle Net and Eagle Net was lower per

[1:41:28] price per megabit than what you guys are quoting. Also, I've had other service

[1:41:33] with region 10 and you know didn't pay that high price. Your prices have been

[1:41:39] all over the board as currently I guess they should well or over the years

[1:41:44] probably be a better way to put it. Um but now you're you're charging more than

[1:41:50] the average provider uh whether it's FastTrack or somebody else.

[1:41:55] So that's where I came from. >> Um

[1:41:59] I wasn't here during Eagle Met. I'm aware of its fa of its failures though.

[1:42:04] Um but what I can say the prices that we're quoting are being met and accepted

[1:42:09] by other providers within the Grand Valley and other places. So it's um it's

[1:42:15] not that we can do a scaled approach to where somehow it's going to be less per

[1:42:21] megabit um in uh Coburn and Plat Valley than it will be elsewhere at Debec or

[1:42:28] Parachute or Glenwood or any of the other places that it is being accepted.

[1:42:32] So if there are other like apples to apples comparisons that you can provide,

[1:42:38] I have seen them um adjust pricing uh to try to meet that. And so if you have

[1:42:44] that then please provide it um is what I would uh advise you to do Mark.

[1:42:50] » Well it should be based on the population whether we go with the 2200

[1:42:55] or if we go with 180. But either case, that's not a a high quantity. We're

[1:43:01] we're talking about Delta County, the town of Delta, Montrose, Grand Junction,

[1:43:06] Pruda, as you guys mentioned. I don't know why you guys remember BrutA. Um,

[1:43:10] you know, it's not, you know, or there's plenty of service

[1:43:14] everywhere, but there's not that much competition here. And yeah, Daniel

[1:43:20] Starling down, too. I'm I'm really not gonna I'm not going

[1:43:24] to argue about what you think that the pricing schema should be based upon. I'm

[1:43:30] telling you what others are paying >> three years ago or to start it. But it's

[1:43:36] not your fault. You are the one who said it. I just have something to say that

[1:43:40] concerns me because we have two local providers that bust their butt to

[1:43:46] provide for us and um if they have to double their pricing to accommodate

[1:43:55] us, we'll go we'll switch to Starlink and we don't want to see our local

[1:44:00] businesses go out of business. Everywhere else this is being used that

[1:44:05] I have seen it employed as far as the pricing that is being also offered for

[1:44:10] rack space and internet and transport to u the Culbrron CNL. The providers are

[1:44:19] offering gigabit service for fiber for $60 a month and they're doing less than

[1:44:25] $100 for wireless. So there shouldn't be any reason that that can't also be the

[1:44:31] case in Culbrron and Plat Valley. And I'm saying this as an ISP myself in a

[1:44:36] small form of a WHIS WISP. These prices are not going to jack up their prices

[1:44:41] unless they choose to do that. It is just part of the overhead of running a

[1:44:46] business. >> Mark, how many clients do you have

[1:44:49] customers? Total total >> in this area not everywhere

[1:44:54] » in about 800 in Mason County >> in just Colin area

[1:45:00] » I have like 14 people on fiber >> of the 180 locations. So the take r's

[1:45:08] not been that great either. So yeah 14 times 60.

[1:45:15] Is that your only w is that your only customers? Are there fiber customers in

[1:45:19] Plato Valley? >> No, for fiber. Yeah, that's what he's

[1:45:24] saying. For fiber, he's got 14. But >> what about all together?

[1:45:31] » I think I probably couple hundred maybe the whole the whole valley. Maybe

[1:45:37] I have to look. I just I'm so

[1:45:42] What about you, Daniel? They're about probably 350 in in the

[1:45:47] valley here >> and and it could be scaled down to the

[1:45:53] lowest that they're that it's being offered is a gigabit of DIA which is

[1:45:57] direct internet access. So meaning getting internet from the wholesale

[1:46:01] provider at uh this that they can use for any of their customers no matter

[1:46:07] whether they're fiber, whether they're fixed wireless, whether they're cable,

[1:46:11] all those can be fed by this back haul and it's made redundant. So if you get a

[1:46:16] fiber cut in Glenwood Canyon, it will route out to if you're buying that um

[1:46:21] internet access, it will route to Salt Lake. It will still get you out. It's

[1:46:25] made to be redundant. This is all part of their 800 what's going to be an 800

[1:46:29] mile loop that goes through Pigosa that makes it so the western slope is finally

[1:46:34] not dependent on places like Censory Link to get these depend these um

[1:46:39] redundant services. And so I think you know what it is that's being provided is

[1:46:44] not can't be um undersold or oversold. It can't be oversold as far as what is a

[1:46:51] difference from what it is previously ava available in these small mountain

[1:46:55] communities including mine and including yours. This is something that I've been

[1:46:59] waiting for for a long time. And so the pricing while I I don't think it's

[1:47:05] outside of the bounds of what is um is normal and and Mark's welcome to bring

[1:47:12] you examples of something that he feels is different to Reason 10. And again,

[1:47:16] I'm not the one that sets the prices. um the differences in kind of what's being

[1:47:22] provided here is something that that Plato Valley has never had.

[1:47:26] » And I'm I was almost astounded when I heard that that was getting built across

[1:47:30] Vro because the fact that there's um no fiber that comes in as a back haul into

[1:47:36] Plat Valley and Culbrron is something that makes it uniquely isolated from a

[1:47:42] network and internet standpoint. and and it has there has been many times I've

[1:47:46] been up there and had and could not work with pre-starlink um because there was

[1:47:52] just no something happened to your back haul and it was down and you didn't have

[1:47:57] redundancy. You still have some problems with redundancy just on that path and

[1:48:02] it'd be great to have two paths. That's you know but that's not always the

[1:48:05] luxury that we you know we can have from day one and it you know would have to go

[1:48:10] a different path than it does now. So, getting this one currently set up,

[1:48:14] working, and active is I the the situation that I think we all want to

[1:48:18] see happen. And it's getting I mean, it's close

[1:48:22] enough to have just be waiting on a a power cord and um and Pearl Street and

[1:48:28] the and the routers to be programmed for that to be become available to uh

[1:48:33] Daniel, Mark, and uh and others. Vero being um one that I know is very

[1:48:38] interested in it for the school under their current rate contract.

[1:48:42] » Well, you know, my point is it be the rate I mean the if we can actually have

[1:48:48] redundancy of the at the rate you're talking that's one thing but it's not

[1:48:53] you know we I' I've got to still maintain my radio network because you're

[1:48:57] going to have this break either on Vroad or something like that. So I sought to

[1:49:02] maintain the infrastructure I already have. It's just this gets to be another

[1:49:08] route. So now we do have a secondary route.

[1:49:12] » Well, I I would think you would want it to be your primary route. Um the speeds

[1:49:16] that you're seeing from Grand Junction right now when they're doing the testing

[1:49:20] on the optical gear from Grand Junction to Denver was less than 3 milliseconds

[1:49:25] um of speed. and and for you know those of you that are ISPs in the audience you

[1:49:29] you know that that's pretty good. Um so it's both it's both and it's using level

[1:49:34] three as the primary provider which is different than all the other providers.

[1:49:38] I don't know who you're using as your wholesaler for bandwidth um upstream of

[1:49:43] your network but most likely it's coming from either cogen or hurricane. Well

[1:49:47] this one isn't. So it's redundant on that level as well. So it's got multiple

[1:49:51] layers of redundancy that will help um maintain service for your customers. Uh

[1:49:57] even if we do have some uh failures within the upstream networks, there's it

[1:50:02] will fail over to alternate directions. >> Well, the current Western Slope price

[1:50:07] from FastTrack being a provider here, Western Slope out of Durango is about

[1:50:15] $1,100 for a five gig circuit. which is pretty much what I would want

[1:50:22] out of full remote. Um, not $1,000 or $1,500 for a one gig circuit,

[1:50:30] » a five gig circuit for $1,100 and that that's

[1:50:36] » Can we limit this to a discussion between Region 10 and yourself? I just

[1:50:41] don't think this is the forum to discuss pricing and I was not prepared to do

[1:50:45] that. It happened three years ago, but we

[1:50:47] weren't invited at the time to be part of this and this board just doesn't seem

[1:50:52] the value of it. I don't want to keep beating everybody's time and I think

[1:50:55] that that that was the last thing I did want to say. So, Eric, I'm apologize for

[1:50:59] that, but I did I just wanted to point the discrepancies where you guys are at

[1:51:04] compared to the rest of the world or western Colorado.

[1:51:10] I I don't know that you're characterizing the whole picture of what

[1:51:13] the network is and we'd be happy to do a demonstration on that in case there's

[1:51:19] people that are unaware of that. Cory is on a plane today so he couldn't be here

[1:51:24] but he does a very good demonstration of what this network is, how it benefits

[1:51:30] the citizens of Western Slope and and um without getting into pricing. pricing

[1:51:36] is something that you and Daniel and um whomever Bureau assigns to be their

[1:51:43] their negotiator need to talk to us about. I I I I I think from the

[1:51:47] standpoint of what it really can do for the town, what it's going to do for

[1:51:51] Pagosa, um is it's going to get it's going to make um our access to the

[1:51:57] internet something that I can now rely on to use cloud services for all of our

[1:52:02] school districts and all of our city and county facilities. Whereas before we had

[1:52:06] to run um very expensive um uh servers uh with storage area networks. Well,

[1:52:12] those are getting harder and harder to maintain anyway because of where the

[1:52:16] world is going as you guys probably know. So, we've got to have highly

[1:52:20] redundant, highly capable internet services to stay competitive with the

[1:52:23] world. And that's what this provides. So, if you want a demonstration at some

[1:52:27] point, if the town council would like one to show what this network really is

[1:52:31] about now that we're on the cusp of lighting it up, I think we'd be happy to

[1:52:35] do that.

[1:52:44] Any other discussion? >> No.

[1:52:48] » Thanks, Eric. >> Thanks, Eric. We'll let we'll let you

[1:52:52] guys uh negotiate and communicate and uh read over the contract and go from there

[1:52:57] and see what happened.

[1:53:01] I know there's a lot a lot of people that have waited and Mark said it's

[1:53:06] three three or more years uh past uh what was done. So there's a lot of

[1:53:12] people that have given up and they've just gone with

[1:53:15] Starlink and and that's Starlink they they've commented on you know the towns

[1:53:22] page whatever that they won't go with anybody else. all.

[1:53:28] » Yeah, I'm in the I'm in the same boat down here. I've been working on getting

[1:53:32] the fiber of a Wolf Creek now for eight years. Um, and so I feel your pain. Um,

[1:53:38] it's it's a long when you talk about middle mile rural fiber buildouts and

[1:53:43] all of this. It's uh there are a lot of contingencies. There's a lot of

[1:53:46] components, but once it's in place, I think you guys will definitely see the

[1:53:50] difference. So, yeah, I think you should be happy that it's finally coming to a

[1:53:53] conclusion. >> Well, the difference is here. We've been

[1:53:56] promising, not we, the people have been promised over and over by the end of the

[1:54:01] year, every single year that it was coming.

[1:54:06] » Thankfully, I can I can person I can personally say I was not the one that

[1:54:09] made that promise. >> Yeah.

[1:54:11] » Though I I personally can absolve myself of that of having made that mis

[1:54:16] misstatement. But yeah, I there's everything is in place to have this

[1:54:21] light lit up. Um, and I'm looking very much forward to it. So, hope you guys

[1:54:25] are too. >> Cool.

[1:54:27] » Okay. Well, we'll we'll let you guys discuss that. In the meantime, we'll

[1:54:32] take a five minute break

[1:54:38] or whatever. >> Thanks, Eric.

[1:54:53] Mike's got it. He's got another commitment.

[1:54:56] » All right. Thank you.

[1:55:07] » Daniel, thank you. I would like to touch just real quickly on it sounds like

[1:55:12] region 10 is nearing very close to the completion. We will be turned up

[1:55:17] hopefully day one where I'm going to go find somebody. But we should be we

[1:55:22] should be turned up immediately. We need to work with the town. That's that's

[1:55:26] what I need you guys for to figure out what you guys figure out fair price to

[1:55:33] let us on. I'm sure Mark wants to jump on the downtown loop as well. I don't

[1:55:38] know. Um, but to get from the CNL to where we can serve our customers,

[1:55:45] um, I'd love to set down a meeting next couple weeks, try to figure out what

[1:55:50] that looks like. Um, I don't think I can make the next board meeting. I've got a

[1:55:56] lot of construction to do between now and then, and I would love to do that

[1:56:01] sooner rather than later. >> Do you have his phone?

[1:56:04] » So, we've got 11:00 on Friday.

[1:56:10] Um I'd love to take some down ball some ideas to the page to fair you guys.

[1:56:15] » So do you guys have um pricing suggestions that are comparable to other

[1:56:20] areas for this >> has more pricing? I don't know about the

[1:56:24] middle mile stuff but on the fiber I think the region 10 pricing was looked

[1:56:30] good to me. Um yeah,

[1:56:34] » we have to come up with a price for the and the town attorney does have a

[1:56:39] meeting scheduled with region 10 next week.

[1:56:43] » In the in the papers there, I think they had a in town surrogate price.

[1:56:47] » We don't want to raise price our local people on those.

[1:56:50] » Sure. >> Sure. Absolutely.

[1:56:53] » But we do have to pay to maintain everything and it was put down a road

[1:56:56] that washes out every winter. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, there's two of us that

[1:57:01] can go splice fiber without calling somebody for $8,000. Go do it. So, you

[1:57:05] got back though. We've got splicers. We'll figure it out because I'm not

[1:57:09] going to be down while we're waiting for somebody to Denver to take $1,000 from

[1:57:15] us. >> I'd like you guys to look over that

[1:57:17] stuff because it was never discussed and I'm not sure that they entered into a

[1:57:20] long-term contract period to to do all repairs.

[1:57:24] » That would be not a good idea, right? >> That could be reason. And I know Amber

[1:57:28] asked over and over again like do we have the right to tell anybody and they

[1:57:32] said yeah but I mean what's in writing is what matters. Let's look it over. And

[1:57:40] » so so the attorney the attorney is going to

[1:57:44] » Yeah, he already has a meeting scheduled next week with regent to go over because

[1:57:49] he knows we're trying to get this finalized and so

[1:57:52] » so I would suggest that we have after the attorney has a discussion with her

[1:57:57] pay. Okay. Let's just make sure when that is appointed a point discussion to

[1:58:03] try to figure out that pricing. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:58:05] » Okay. >> And if I'm not here, I just beg of you

[1:58:08] guys, if we run off our local providers, it's not going to be pretty. You might

[1:58:13] interview them. >> So, it's really expensive for everybody.

[1:58:17] » Even if they suggest an outrageous price, we have to negotiate and we have

[1:58:23] to make this happen.

[1:58:30] I think also that our area is probably one of the smallest

[1:58:35] that what they've done. Um, you know, you can't save fruit and you can't save

[1:58:40] Montro. You can't save ocean. It's dirt cheap. It's cheaper than Montro. It's

[1:58:45] dirt cheap in Denver. >> There's competition and there's big

[1:58:48] people there. There's big and that's why we can all pricing against like you said

[1:58:54] we can we can price today. there's nobody to price check against in the

[1:58:57] culprit. So, I feel they're being fair. They've got good pricing from them in

[1:59:02] the past. Um, yeah, just comes down to what does the

[1:59:09] town need for this downtown loop and and that all obviously works into the whole

[1:59:14] equation. >> Well, that's the whole reason L Newman

[1:59:18] has been cherrypicking and staying in metropolitan areas.

[1:59:22] » Yeah. Well, they never ran fiber up here. We

[1:59:26] wouldn't be here if Lumen kept up with us. The state holding we wouldn't be

[1:59:30] here. Tried to get that done for I70 up the

[1:59:35] up the highway in 1990 and that and that was the time to do it.

[1:59:40] uh and get the property owners to understand that

[1:59:46] the BC would have required or given a lot of that instruction cost to bring it

[1:59:53] up if they would have just put in the orders and then

[2:00:00] once it was brought up they could have cancelled the orders

[2:00:04] but that didn't happen and that's so we're at where we're at. prepared.

[2:00:09] » So, can we schedule a meeting after that region 10 meeting

[2:00:14] » that a after the yeah after the atari dox region 10

[2:00:22] then we'll have a better idea. >> Do you really know where all you're

[2:00:27] talking about? >> A decent idea but not a whole lot of

[2:00:31] population. >> No, it's not laid out right. Well, it's

[2:00:36] it gets us down the loop. Um, gets us to our main core.

[2:00:41] » Um, because the CNL, isn't that it gets us a fiber door to our main quarter

[2:00:45] gives us fiber to our towers are our primary customers. Yeah. Are

[2:00:53] » the ones we need to get into and and upgrade to the fiber day one, you know,

[2:00:57] you know, we can get >> and hopefully you'll get more customers.

[2:01:01] » Well, like us, Frank is on to the 911 tower, too. that didn't happen, you

[2:01:07] know, or some kind of but at the same time.

[2:01:12] » Okay. Moving on. Discussion regarding the update updated employee agreement

[2:01:19] for intern Park treasure resolution number 19 series of 2025.

[2:01:30] So, a resolution of the board of trustees of

[2:01:35] the town of Gold in Colorado approving an updated employment agreement for the

[2:01:39] intern

[2:01:44] employment agreement.

[2:01:51] » I do I have some stuff to say.

[2:01:57] We I'm going to read a definition from um good old AI. Fiscal responsibility

[2:02:04] refers to using money wisely, balancing income and expenses, and planning

[2:02:09] accordingly. It can apply to individuals, businesses, and

[2:02:12] governments. $90 an hour is $180,000 a year. We cannot afford to keep Dusty on.

[2:02:24] Uh what what I wanted to say was that this was the second extension uh for

[2:02:30] Dusty and I would just hope at the end if we approved this extension that she

[2:02:34] considered at the end of this extension to become a full-time employee. you

[2:02:39] know, not on the interim status, but you know, as a full-time employee, I

[2:02:43] appreciate all your work and everything, but I think at some point, you know, uh,

[2:02:48] we need to discontinue the interim situation and you at that point can

[2:02:53] probably decide whether you want to stay or or go. Uh, but I think that just this

[2:02:58] would be the third time that we have that. So, I think at the end of this, I

[2:03:02] would ask that you consider being a full-time employee.

[2:03:05] » And I'm ready to have that discussion at any point.

[2:03:08] Um, and the only reason it's this way is because the contract is expiring

[2:03:13] and >> so I just put it back in front of you on

[2:03:17] the terms that we have been doing. >> Right. We approved $90 an hour when we

[2:03:21] had no other staff in the building and now we have four people

[2:03:26] and we cannot keep going at $180,000 a year.

[2:03:29] » We have two full-time employees. >> Bruce is here three hours a day

[2:03:34] » and Melanie floats when she can. She is untren. I'm still carrying the brunt of

[2:03:40] this show. >> I understand that.

[2:03:43] » And the liability and everything else that goes on. And I understand where

[2:03:47] you're coming from. >> Well, you just can't. It's not It's not

[2:03:51] doable for a town of 300 people and the um percentage of employment income that

[2:03:57] we have going out right now. So, >> well, yeah. At 90, $190 an hour. It's

[2:04:04] not a year contract, so you can't calculate it on a year basis. It's a

[2:04:08] 90-day contract. >> I understand that.

[2:04:11] » Right. That's $46,800. >> But like Gary said, we need to move on

[2:04:16] with the, you know, rent position. And so,

[2:04:23] you know, I don't know what uh weight you're looking at for a permanent

[2:04:31] position, but

[2:04:37] By motion not to approve the resolution of the board of trustees of the town of

[2:04:41] Culbert, Colorado approving not approving the updated employment

[2:04:45] agreement for interim town clerk manager town clerk treasure slashemp employment

[2:04:51] agreement with Dusty Kella. Well, >> let me ask you this, Dusty. Is that is

[2:04:56] that that per hour? Is that negotiable? >> Of course, but there's zero discussion

[2:05:02] about it. So, >> well,

[2:05:06] » like $50 an hour. Is that negotiable? >> The $90 an hour is negotiable. Nobody

[2:05:11] has presented anything but a motion on the table.

[2:05:16] » I mean, I think >> so. I presume nobody wants to negotiate

[2:05:19] or they would have proposed it. >> Yeah.

[2:05:22] » Which is fine. >> I serve at the pleasure of the board and

[2:05:25] if they're not happy with me, then I will

[2:05:28] » I don't think that's a point. >> By all means. I think the point is is I

[2:05:33] think that we're

[2:05:37] we think we're paying more than what we should be now

[2:05:40] » for sure >> for anybody.

[2:05:42] » For sure. >> If we come up with a reasonable rate, I

[2:05:47] don't see why we couldn't keep you were happy and we were happy.

[2:05:51] » That's always been the deal. So, I'm kind of blindsided by that. I'm just

[2:05:55] going to emotion not to accept a contract instead of putting forth,

[2:06:00] » hey, would you be acceptable to this? Would you be acceptable to this? That

[2:06:06] wasn't what just occurred here. >> Well, I understand what you're saying,

[2:06:11] » but I also understand what she said. >> No, we're discussing it right now

[2:06:14] because >> we're not

[2:06:15] » we don't all get to go I don't get to go hang out with the five of us.

[2:06:21] » No, we don't. your deal price or your >> so we don't know you know we don't sit

[2:06:28] around each other and >> we think she's worth $50 an hour

[2:06:34] somebody says no $40 an hour or whatever you know nobody we don't sit around on

[2:06:41] our own time and talk about so none of us really know what options we got as

[2:06:47] far as what a decent pay would be or what do you expect us to that if you

[2:06:52] were hired full time, >> but now is not the time or place to

[2:06:58] discuss it. And I assume that from seeing the

[2:07:03] contract again that $90 an hour is I mean that's what you think you're worth.

[2:07:09] And I'm just saying we can't afford that. That's it.

[2:07:15] The only reason the $90 is charged >> is because of the situation I was put

[2:07:21] in. So for you to say that >> is a misrepresentation. You know exactly

[2:07:27] why that $90 is being charged and it has nothing to do with my ego.

[2:07:34] » I'm not saying it has to do with your ego.

[2:07:36] » Nothing.

[2:07:39] Nothing. No, we agree because like you said, you had to wear all of a sudden

[2:07:45] all of all of the hats stuff we we do. Yeah, Bruce is in here

[2:07:52] three hours a day. Um >> Mike is helping.

[2:07:56] » So, what is your proposal since it's your fiduciary duty? What is your

[2:08:02] proposal to pay me an hourly rate? What are you proposing?

[2:08:07] probably nothing you're going to be happy with after making $90 an hour.

[2:08:11] » That's for me to decide, not for you. >> I it would be a discussion that we would

[2:08:15] have to >> and so if you have a number and can come

[2:08:19] to the table with a number, then I can think about that number. But I can't

[2:08:24] just sit here and deal in hypotheticals.

[2:08:31] » Hence why you got the contract the way you had previously approved it. But I'm

[2:08:36] saying >> for the discussion,

[2:08:38] » right? We're just asking we have we can set aside

[2:08:45] so we can have a discussion about how much to offer and see if that's will be

[2:08:51] willing to do it for that product >> for sure

[2:08:53] » or camera off >> for sure

[2:08:58] ask >> that's how it should make motion we

[2:09:04] um how do you say It's

[2:09:08] set aside table.

[2:09:13] » When When is the contract? >> Not until next month. So, this was just

[2:09:20] » It actually expires the middle of this month. That's why I needed to bring it

[2:09:24] to you. So, we have a couple weeks. It is at your discretion. If you all go

[2:09:28] home tonight and decide tomorrow that you don't want to have contract

[2:09:32] negotiations, let me know. Where are you guys at with

[2:09:37] the uh hiring for that position now? I mean, you just hired for a town manager.

[2:09:44] You've got to get that position filled, but we're a position working.

[2:09:50] » Well, so I mean I been here for a while was just temporary,

[2:09:57] » right? Because she was still have with another employer. But is that right?

[2:10:03] That is slightly incorrect. Yes, I have pre I have a commitment with my previous

[2:10:08] employer, but my intention has always been

[2:10:11] » No, I understand >> to stay on

[2:10:13] » I understand >> and fill that permanent position. I

[2:10:17] didn't introduce the the reason we're here is because when we went to do the

[2:10:23] contract last time, the town attorney mentioned that you could do it for a

[2:10:27] longer period with a clause that says if this and this happens, that rate

[2:10:34] changed. Nobody it was approved the way it had been

[2:10:39] previously approved by the board. That's the only

[2:10:44] reason it is the way it is right now is because it's the current contract that I

[2:10:50] am under. If you don't feel comfortable with those terms, you by all means have

[2:10:55] every right to communicate with me >> and say this is what we're willing to

[2:11:03] do. >> This is what's happening this work.

[2:11:05] » This is what's happening right now. So now we know that the $90 an hour is

[2:11:12] gone. sucks cuz I'd love to make that too.

[2:11:16] » It means nothing to me. I think the amount of stress that I have absorbed in

[2:11:20] the three months, but $90 doesn't cover Sorry. I apologize.

[2:11:27] » You're okay. You're okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're just having a

[2:11:31] discussion here. There's no need to get mad.

[2:11:33] » Not mad >> or upset. Well, I'm not going to tell

[2:11:36] you how to feel. you feel how you want, but we're obviously going to have a

[2:11:40] discussion about >> this contract takes us into six months

[2:11:43] at $90 an hour. When we approved this, you were working like 15 hours. Now

[2:11:49] you're working full-time and there was you were also the only staff member we

[2:11:55] had left. >> So, at that time, we had no choice. We

[2:11:58] had no option but to give you what you wanted. But now we have

[2:12:04] this office is full of of staff members. And so

[2:12:09] and if you're not happy and it's that stressful, I I apologize, but it's

[2:12:14] » that's my issue. It doesn't have anything to do with anybody.

[2:12:17] » It's something that I've taken on and I don't mean to anybody, but to make

[2:12:21] cracks about 90 bucks an hour. >> We Well, all I'm saying is we can't

[2:12:25] afford it. >> I understand. And I've never tried to

[2:12:29] commit you to a year or anything else. >> I have been here to benefit you. It is a

[2:12:35] 30 a 90-day contract. >> Okay, this our second 90-day contract at

[2:12:40] $90 an hour. >> Then why have we not tried to fill that?

[2:12:44] Why have we waited six months and never talked to me about

[2:12:50] transitioning to a permanent position? Like if that was the end goal,

[2:12:57] why in six months hasn't anything been done to move towards that?

[2:13:04] » Agree. >> The initial

[2:13:06] » I agree. >> The initial three months was

[2:13:10] what was it? 30 $35 an hour. >> No,

[2:13:15] 290 cuz I'm going to talk to you guys. >> The second that was the second contract.

[2:13:19] » I'm going to talk to you guys saying 90 reasonable rate. The first contract was

[2:13:24] not $90, >> right? It should have been.

[2:13:27] » Well, I think they just put the contract aside from the standpoint and asked

[2:13:30] Desi, Desi, if you want to work for the town, then we already have a position.

[2:13:35] We already have a salary schedule. And if you're willing to work full-time

[2:13:40] under that salary schedule, then I think that would be great. No, I agree that

[2:13:44] the $90 a day we did that. And that kind of leads into what I've been talking

[2:13:47] about hiring a full-time town manager because we had Angie and Sprank had $900

[2:13:56] a day and we had her for three months, you know, and then we bring on Bruce and

[2:14:00] he's like $125 an hour and 750 bucks expenses. I mean, where does it end?

[2:14:09] » He's not. So, I'm saying, excuse me, five days. I want the I want the full we

[2:14:13] bring out a full-time person whether we think it's a two day a week person or a

[2:14:17] full-time person. Bruce and I'll quote him said that it's far too many

[2:14:22] essentials need to be brought up to date with your new administrator to be

[2:14:26] successful. Well, isn't that why Bruce is here that mentor somebody that bring

[2:14:30] men and how can those person bring up the date if you don't let them sit next

[2:14:34] to the guy and let you let him let that person be trained to those things that

[2:14:39] need to bring up the date? You bring them all up to date and then you shove

[2:14:42] them on there and say, "Hey, here you go." You know, you don't do that. And

[2:14:45] that's the same thing that's happened right here. We just continue. We just

[2:14:48] continue to pay $90 an hour. We're continue to pay $900 a day. We continue

[2:14:53] to pay 100 sunrise per hour. And I've been harping for the last three, four

[2:14:59] months. would need to hire somebody to full-time manager and then Dest wouldn't

[2:15:02] have to do all of this work. She would have somebody that would work with her

[2:15:06] and it wouldn't be so, you know, I'm just amazed that she's hung in as long

[2:15:10] as she has with the procrastination that we've had and not hiring a town manager.

[2:15:15] » Well, what the hell's going on here? I don't get it.

[2:15:18] » We've been paying the $900. We've been paying that $90 an hour. I've been

[2:15:22] » We have an interimm manager right now. His name's Mike Nibble. Mike, you know,

[2:15:27] you said how important management is. Mike is not qualified to do that job. He

[2:15:32] did it out of the goodness of his heart and but he has a full-time job right

[2:15:36] now, a very important one for this town, the most notable one of all the jobs in

[2:15:40] this town. And to ask him to take on more considering his family and

[2:15:44] everything else in his life, it's asking too much. And it's irresponsible. And

[2:15:48] it's >> it's asking that that's his choice. And

[2:15:53] it's and and if it if it affects his family or whatever, it's not worth it

[2:15:58] like you say. But that's >> he's trying it and he's training and

[2:16:01] we're going to give him a shot. >> That's that's maybe I'll have a

[2:16:05] heartto-he heart to see that if that's really what he wants because I think he

[2:16:09] acquiesced to that because of the fact that he was asked to do it and he feels

[2:16:12] like the town is in a bad spot. But who knows? I mean, you need to have a

[2:16:16] heartto-he heart and say, is this really something that you want to do? And that

[2:16:20] that's the thing is is we need to have somebody that has some experience to

[2:16:24] come on board and do it, not train somebody

[2:16:28] to do the job. >> In the meantime, he's trained for it.

[2:16:31] And so even if he does not take the town administrator position, he will be

[2:16:35] completely and fully trained so that if we get in a pinch again, he can still

[2:16:40] step into that role until we fire somebody. I don't want you.

[2:16:48] » That's the main we're on. We're discussion,

[2:16:54] right? The only reason Mike was brought up was because

[2:16:58] » Well, you made a motion. It wasn't second. So, God, you made a motion. I'll

[2:17:02] second your motion to table this.

[2:17:07] And we need to have some talk with Dusty and get this. That's what I'm That's

[2:17:11] what I was saying. We need communication with us. You're right.

[2:17:15] » So, that could be a special board meeting.

[2:17:18] » Yes. So, >> or

[2:17:20] what's it called? >> Or ask

[2:17:25] the job description and everything that's in place right now and say hire

[2:17:29] as a full-time employee in that position. As a town clerk,

[2:17:32] » I say as a contractor, Dusty should make you an account an offer and you guys can

[2:17:37] decide if you accept it or not. She has gone from part-time to full-time. I

[2:17:42] guess be the right way to put it. Haven't been a contractor before. That's

[2:17:46] the way I would have done it. >> But Dely, are you what is your main are

[2:17:52] you? >> My fear is if we if we go back to a 30

[2:17:57] or $35 an hour, then we're not going to have a full-time person because when we

[2:18:01] paid a lower rate, it was not a full-time person. $90 an hour is a huge

[2:18:05] incentive to work 40 hours a week. That's just my opinion.

[2:18:09] Well, and there again, that's up to Dusty. That's up to Dusty decide. Does

[2:18:14] Dusty want to be the the clerk and reporter or does she just want to be the

[2:18:19] same? >> I've done this before. Remember that?

[2:18:23] » That's fine. It's smart. >> Please, Mark. Don't this is for the law.

[2:18:27] Now, >> are we tableabling it to a date certain

[2:18:31] or a date uncertain?

[2:18:35] » I have a motion in a second. That's it. Okay.

[2:18:43] » So, we're going to table this, but we have to have an executive session,

[2:18:47] correct? Because we'd have to discuss pricing and

[2:18:53] » I don't session when when we initially when we interviewed Dusty for the job,

[2:18:58] it could be is an open meeting. We could have an open meeting and interview her

[2:19:02] and say, "Here's what we do." >> I don't know. argue.

[2:19:05] » I I didn't know if we had to have an executive session to have a sit down and

[2:19:09] talk with Dusty to see what she wants to see if she agrees.

[2:19:13] » That's no matter to me. I'll do it open meeting or

[2:19:16] » I don't know what's legal. No legal jargon to that.

[2:19:20] » In our budget, it says that we can't there's no way to break up our

[2:19:27] job because we had a clerk, manager, treasurer.

[2:19:34] We could never have >> together as one position. So I don't

[2:19:37] even know what the

[2:19:42] » we don't even know what the drawing is.

[2:19:48] So we

[2:19:52] do know we got a position open but we can't even

[2:19:57] figure out what salary is because the previous position was taking money from

[2:20:02] different funds through different ways to pay one person. There was no set

[2:20:08] salary. So the year before they broke down the jobs, the clerk and treasurer

[2:20:11] was 68,000.

[2:20:22] » Are those the the positions that you're interested in?

[2:20:29] » Yes. >> The 25 percentile 61,

[2:20:33] the 75th percentile is 84. So we are a discussion about it. Are you

[2:20:41] down with that? >> Yes sir.

[2:20:43] » Okay. No one's table this have a discussion about it.

[2:20:48] » Okay. So let's have a vote on motion please.

[2:20:53] » Trusty Goth. >> What am I voting on here?

[2:20:58] Yes. >> Trusty Price.

[2:21:01] » Yes. Trusty Stalling. >> Yes.

[2:21:04] » Trusty Winkleblack. >> Yes.

[2:21:06] Mayor Wilcox. >> Yes.

[2:21:07] » Motion passes.

[2:21:20] » Number 13, Trusty W Black's requested agenda items presented by Trusty Wingle

[2:21:26] Black. Discussion on where we are in hiring full-time, part-time

[2:21:31] administrator. Uh discussion on the town's procedures

[2:21:36] and hiring of employees

[2:21:41] electronic mail from Derek Hamilton to Mayor and trustees July 17th 2025.

[2:21:51] Okay. A I think we've already discussed okay

[2:21:57] the discussion where we are with hiring the full-time or part-time you know I

[2:22:02] mean in the past they've had a two-day person come in and do the administrative

[2:22:06] requirements or we've had a full-time where we combine those u I I think it

[2:22:11] all depends upon you know um what we think we can afford and what we need. I

[2:22:17] I think that bringing Bruce on and and he can vet people. He has the

[2:22:21] experience, but like I stated earlier when he said that, you know, that uh

[2:22:26] many essentials need to be brought up to date. I think that that person should be

[2:22:31] hired and work with Bruce and bring those essentials up to date, whatever

[2:22:35] those essentials are. I would I've asked him before and I didn't really get a

[2:22:39] response in terms of specifically what those essentials are, but I think we

[2:22:44] still need to advertise for the position and and bring somebody on. We still have

[2:22:50] Bruce. his contract goes through no November as I understand it and so that

[2:22:54] we can get somebody to work with the town clerk with Dusty and and move on

[2:23:00] because the amount of money we've thrown out

[2:23:03] » $900 a day $90 an hour $125 an hour. >> It's ridiculous. And we can't I can't

[2:23:12] even imagine what the what what has happened to the budget. So, you know, I

[2:23:16] mean, we need you can't hire somebody until you advertise. Advertise the

[2:23:21] person. Bring it on. We could put it out. Not only, you know, there are

[2:23:25] agencies that we get, the Colorado Municipalities League and various other

[2:23:29] agencies. There's three agencies I know that we could advertise with them and we

[2:23:34] can uh you put it in, you know, I I say Daily Sand for whatever that's worth.

[2:23:41] But I think that we need to advertise. We need to start interviewing and

[2:23:45] vetting people and getting them hired so that we have, you know, when you mention

[2:23:50] the number of staff that we have really. I mean, we having this widely now as

[2:23:55] administrative assistant, but we only really have one person to take care of

[2:23:58] all of the other business that we have. I know that we um which takes me on to

[2:24:04] kind of the next one that uh in June the mayor approved bringing um

[2:24:12] Melanie out Melanie Park. Okay. So, that was in my opinion contractual. It's not

[2:24:17] a full-time position. It's a part-time position or it's under contract. I've

[2:24:21] never seen it. Has anybody else seen the the terms of the agreement for Miss

[2:24:26] Clark to be working for us? >> Has anybody seen that?

[2:24:29] I have not. >> I haven't seen it.

[2:24:31] » There is no written contract. >> Have you asked Dusty how she's doing?

[2:24:37] » Pardon me. >> Have you asked Dusty how Melanie's

[2:24:40] doing? >> No.

[2:24:41] » Melanie is on the Zoom. >> No, what I'm saying is I'm not all I'm

[2:24:46] saying is the fact that we brought her on for whatever reason, whatever the

[2:24:50] contractual is, but I mean, we need to fill these positions. We've been in

[2:24:54] limbo for a long time. We need to have a town manager, administrator, one and the

[2:24:59] same. We need to have the town clerk need to get that solidified, you know,

[2:25:03] so then why don't we advertise it because, you know, we brought Miss Clark

[2:25:07] on. I'm sure she's helpful and everything else like that, but you know,

[2:25:10] the whole thing about it is and Jessica, I've heard it from you many times and

[2:25:13] then the people who did the the u the

[2:25:19] what we call at any rate, it was transparency. Transparency.

[2:25:24] Transparency. That's all I heard was transparency. Where's the transparency?

[2:25:28] You know, all we bring this clark on. Where's the transparency in that? I

[2:25:32] didn't even know until I got the message from, you know, from from Bruce that the

[2:25:37] mayor approved it. We bring it on a contractual basis for 2750 an hour.

[2:25:42] Okay. And then I asked her, I see Miss White working. How was that? How'd that

[2:25:46] be? Well, we put it on the the town's website and she applied and she got a

[2:25:52] job. So, you know what? If you look at the the Coburn Job Court, you look at

[2:25:56] the school, you look at businesses locally, where do they advertise

[2:26:01] vacancies, Plateau Valley Community Connections? Because there are far more

[2:26:06] people that are going to read that than the town. So, it just seemed to me that

[2:26:10] if we're going to advertise for positions that we should put it out

[2:26:13] there where people can actually see that we have some vacancies as does the

[2:26:18] school, as does the job core, as does some of the other businesses rather than

[2:26:22] just putting it because that seemed to me pretty selective.

[2:26:25] » Were these positions not put posted in our normal posting places?

[2:26:29] » I was told to post it on the website >> by Bruce Smith and that's where I posted

[2:26:34] on the website. There's got to be what? Three places

[2:26:37] that they're actually supposed to be posted also.

[2:26:41] » So >> that's for public

[2:26:42] » that's for public notices and agendas for meetings.

[2:26:46] » But I agree they could have advertised a lot better. I completely agree.

[2:26:50] » I mean when Dusty when we were looking for a manager, we had some good they

[2:26:55] weren't qualified and so we didn't hire them, but they had other qualifications

[2:27:00] that would have been worthy of consideration.

[2:27:04] But there's only, you know, unless you follow the town website, you didn't even

[2:27:08] know that that position was open or advertised.

[2:27:11] » I agree.

[2:27:14] » We use Indeed and some other media. >> Yeah. So, you know, that that's why I

[2:27:20] have these items on on the agenda. We we buddy and we need to be transparent and

[2:27:28] if we have vacancies then we should advertise those and and see what kind of

[2:27:32] talent we can bring in and fill those positions. But I believe unless we get

[2:27:37] the word out we're not going to have that.

[2:27:41] » Mr. Mayor is doing

[2:27:46] » Yeah. This is this is me this is Melanie Clark if I may speak.

[2:27:51] » Yes. Um,

[2:27:54] so, uh, Mr. Winkle Black, it was it was brought up in two different meetings

[2:27:59] when you guys offered or when I offered to come and

[2:28:04] help out and and I offered to help and you voted on it

[2:28:10] and agreed to it. >> Correct.

[2:28:16] » So, I don't know what's any more transparent than that.

[2:28:21] Now, what I'm talking about, Melanie, is yeah, you you volunteer. You know, I'm

[2:28:25] not criticizing. I'm saying you volunteered. Okay? So, you came in and

[2:28:28] you were volunteering. Kudos to you. I appreciate that. But what I'm saying

[2:28:32] then the turn of events turned around now. We're going to hire her in a

[2:28:35] contractual basis. And then they gave the hourly rate. So, what I'm saying is

[2:28:39] if you're going to hire somebody on a contractual basis, why is it not put out

[2:28:44] to the public about this opening, about this need? You know, I'm sure you're

[2:28:50] doing a great job and everything, but when I'm talking about that's the lack

[2:28:52] of transparency. I, as a board member, didn't even see that coming. And I don't

[2:28:57] even have any idea what the contractual basis is. Where's the transparency

[2:29:01] there? >> It was it was Mr. Smith that actually

[2:29:05] brought it to the board and it was voted on once again in another meeting.

[2:29:11] » I don't remember. >> Well, we didn't vote. It was just in his

[2:29:15] updates, Melanie. But we didn't vote on it. But um but

[2:29:21] » well then that's that's I would have to say then that's the board's fault for

[2:29:25] not doing so. >> It it was not done. It was pulled after

[2:29:32] » after it was already done. >> Well, if the board had a problem with

[2:29:36] it, they could have brought it up at that meeting when we got the update and

[2:29:39] said, "We need to vote on this." And I didn't think anybody had a problem

[2:29:45] with it because nobody even discussed it.

[2:29:48] » I agree >> at that meeting.

[2:29:50] » I agree. >> It's not a matter of having a problem.

[2:29:54] It's a matter of making everybody else, not just us, but the public aware of we

[2:30:01] want somebody to fill this position. Just like when we talk about, you know,

[2:30:04] about our our finances. How are we going to hire somebody, you know, are we going

[2:30:09] to advertise for them? Are we going to put it on to Bruce? Bruce didn't seem to

[2:30:13] be jumping on that, but we need an account to take care of our budget.

[2:30:17] » Do you understand? We have a CPA working for us now and that that

[2:30:21] » Why did you ask Bruce about the budget?

[2:30:26] » Why did you ask? >> It's the town administrator's position

[2:30:29] to prepare the budget and he's working as the

[2:30:31] » He's not No, he's not. He's not. He's working He's not working as the town

[2:30:35] administrator. That wasn't the agreement. He was working as a

[2:30:38] consultant. >> Wants to work as a consultant.

[2:30:40] contracted consultant because it doesn't want the title.

[2:30:44] » Not the Well, I don't care if he wants the title or not. The title is

[2:30:47] consultant, not town administrator. He does not have that he doesn't have the

[2:30:51] latitude to make those decisions. >> What do you think we're paying him to

[2:30:56] do? >> A consultant.

[2:30:59] » A to consult us on what? Town administrator affairs.

[2:31:02] » Yes. >> You know, more or less that's what a

[2:31:04] town administrator does is consult the board. It's at the will.

[2:31:08] » I don't need to be schooled on that. What I'm saying is he does not have that

[2:31:11] official position and he does not have the latitude. He has not the legal

[2:31:15] responsibility to make those decisions until you hire somebody and that's their

[2:31:20] title. That's the person that's able to do it.

[2:31:27] This is prov.

[2:31:32] » Let's for our next lecture. >> You need one.

[2:31:37] » Thank you. You're welcome. >> Please don't throw an eraser.

[2:31:40] » So, the last one, electronic mail from Derek

[2:31:45] Hamilton. The reason I talked to Dusty about that, I simply asked her to put it

[2:31:49] on as we had on the agenda, previous agendas we had for public

[2:31:54] correspondence. His was a public correspondence. I think it should have

[2:31:58] been on the agenda and that's why I asked her to put it on this month's

[2:32:02] agenda. >> Thank you.

[2:32:08] » And I'll be done. >> Thank you.

[2:32:12] » You're welcome. staff updates.

[2:32:19] » As you'll see in your packet, there is the update for July from the sheriff's

[2:32:23] department. Also, the certificate of occupancy for the auditorium.

[2:32:28] Um, Alyssa White has gotten her notary. Um, and we now have a notary in the

[2:32:33] building. He has been working very closely with Laram Energy to set up the

[2:32:38] town cleanup, which is currently set for October 17. flyers, postcards will be

[2:32:44] sent out. Um, we're working on that. Um, as an FYI, the barreled bill at the bulk

[2:32:51] water is out of order. Art has been ordered and once it arrives, it will be

[2:32:55] fixed. Um, as of right now, we have three events booked into the auditorium.

[2:33:02] Um,

[2:33:05] so that's good. And something just maybe to be thinking about in the back of your

[2:33:11] mind is possibly holding an open house for the auditorium.

[2:33:16] Um inviting the public to come out for light refreshments. Nothing major um but

[2:33:21] to check out the building, have the mayor and the trustees there um

[2:33:28] at your options. So something that you all will be thinking about and maybe at

[2:33:32] the next meeting um discuss that. And that is all I have. All

[2:33:37] right.

[2:33:44] » Can we please revisit an updated fee schedule that can be approved by the

[2:33:49] board? And can we please

[2:33:56] um review the right now the rental price and contracts for every facility?

[2:34:06] So, it's $250 a day for the auditorium. Is that

[2:34:11] correct? >> Without alcohol? Yes.

[2:34:15] » Without alcohol? >> With alcohol, it's 400.

[2:34:18] » Okay.

[2:34:24] Are there any fees when somebody serves a part, you know, like Carol Park

[2:34:31] or Danny Park for a factory $50?

[2:34:39] » Okay. What? We just need to review all the and

[2:34:45] discuss maybe doing a comprehensive

[2:34:50] analysis, maybe with other other um buildings the same size and

[2:34:59] whatnot. I know in Grand Junction it costs like um $1,500 to bring a building

[2:35:03] that size. And I'm not saying you need a comparable

[2:35:09] that much, but we need to be a little more.

[2:35:16] » You're saying it needs to be more than $250?

[2:35:20] » Possibly. We need to discuss it. >> And is there a damage deposit on it? Any

[2:35:24] of it?

[2:35:29] » Yes. like new. So

[2:35:37] somebody will have to walk it every time somebody's had a shooting game.

[2:35:47] » So as as of right now, you speak with the attorney

[2:35:54] or whatever in the morning to see how quick we can be especially Yeah.

[2:36:03] get a hold of and I will get a hold of the attorney to see if their schedules

[2:36:07] work and I will advise each and every one of you via text message.

[2:36:11] » Okay. All right.

[2:36:16] Uh number 15 is I got to do the return.

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