[0:00] We're calling the meeting to order. It is 7:00.

[0:03] Um, our first item is our flag salute.

[0:09] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[0:14] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:20] justice for all. >> All right, a roll call. All right. Uh,

[0:25] Miss Bucker >> here.

[0:27] » Miss Compatello >> here. Mr. Ho

[0:30] » here. >> Mr. Marks

[0:32] » here. >> Mr. Oliverio

[0:34] » here. >> Miss Palnik

[0:36] » here. >> Mr. Waznjak

[0:37] » here. Uh, Mayor Perry >> here.

[0:40] » Solicitor Corbal >> I'm here.

[0:42] » Engineer Baker >> here.

[0:44] » Uh, Chief Ward is not here. And I am We do have a quorum.

[0:48] » Great. So our first item is our consent agenda. So, we have the council meeting

[0:54] minutes for August 27th and also our billist from September 10th. Looking for

[0:59] a motion to approve the September 10th, 2026 consent agenda pending billist

[1:05] approval by the burough president, manager, and treasure.

[1:09] » Miss Bolenbacher. >> Second.

[1:11] » Miss Pionic. Any questions or discussion?

[1:17] » Hearing none. All in favor? I >> opposed.

[1:22] Motion passes. Okay. Public comments on agenda items. At this time, citizens may

[1:28] address the Craftenboroough Council on any issue appearing on today's agenda.

[1:32] Only residents and taxpayers of the Burough of Craftton will be permitted to

[1:36] address the council. Comments on non-aggenda items will be taken at the

[1:40] end of tonight's meeting. Speakers will be permitted to speak for a maximum of

[1:44] three minutes. Groups of people will be required to designate a spokesperson to

[1:49] represent them before the council who may speak for a maximum of 5 minutes.

[1:54] Council has the option to respond or not at the end of the address. Our solicitor

[1:58] is this assigned timekeeper. Please state your name and physical address for

[2:02] the record. Um so we have Charlene.

[2:13] » Um I have question about the streetscape before you get started with the school

[2:22] before on Kraken Boulevard before the school where you did last time and you

[2:27] had the plants along the between the curb and the sidewalk.

[2:32] Are are they over the limit of what the code says right now?

[2:38] » Go ahead. >> Just go ahead.

[2:40] » Well, I I I think that it's too high. It's to see if there's little children

[2:45] or dogs or whatever walking and especially at the corner where the um at

[2:53] corner of Bradford you're coming up Bradford you cannot see

[2:58] to the right

[3:03] and um so then my question I would like that to be considered in the new

[3:11] part for the incredible school I I think you should have high stuff near the

[3:16] sidewalls.

[3:21] And the next thing is Lyndon. I just I had a

[3:30] thought about my my son has he lives in Boston. He has

[3:36] his children in a school and they have a community center which and there's a bus

[3:45] at the school that will take the kids to the community center after school. Of

[3:49] course, it costs money and they have all sorts of programs for the kids. They

[3:55] have music, they they have swimming, they have um gym type things,

[4:04] things like that. I think that would be nice for the kids to have an opportunity

[4:08] for, you know, when the whole the whole land doesn't have to be used for that.

[4:12] Could be used for other things, too.

[4:18] » All right. So, we had a question about the plants are too high um especially

[4:22] specifically at the corner of Bradford um and have that considered for the

[4:27] school um or or for the grant from the school to to the streetscaping.

[4:34] » Is there any because I know that that was engineered for those plants and

[4:39] » trees. I think it's just something that we'll have to review. We can we can

[4:42] certainly take a look at it as far as the code part goes. Like I'm not

[4:46] » I'm not certain on that, but we can take a look at the intersection.

[4:51] » Can I say something else? >> Well, I I can I let me answer first and

[4:54] we can make sure that they're better trimmed than they have been. Um they do

[4:58] need to be maintained. Um and we need to make sure that they're properly

[5:02] maintained. We have struggled with that recently. So, we're going to do what we

[5:06] can to make sure that that is more properly maintained moving forward.

[5:11] » Can we do a practical test as well? uh you know actually have

[5:17] you know what someone one of us or somebody just drive down there and see

[5:20] what that feels like with somebody along.

[5:22] » There's actually a sighteline distance thing we can do too that four corners

[5:26] and stuff like that. So that's what he was talking about.

[5:28] » Right. I understand that but I mean on a practical basis as well because I think

[5:32] citizens are talking about practical basis more than they're talking about

[5:35] » regulated sightelines. >> Okay.

[5:42] » I do that every day. It's my corner. >> Yeah.

[5:46] » Wait. I mean, and the corner mentioned was Bradford and Craftton Boulevard,

[5:50] right? So, that's not part of the streetscaping that's getting done,

[5:54] right? We're we're what we're doing now is from like the playground to the

[5:59] playground. >> No, but what she's saying is that's what

[6:01] was done. And if we do it, she's saying it it shouldn't look exactly like what

[6:06] it looks like now is what she's saying. >> Yeah.

[6:08] » Okay. put more thought into the type of >> Well, and I I drive that regularly, too.

[6:14] Um, and yeah, the plants I don't have issues with with sites, but the plants

[6:19] do grow. They have to get trimmed. We have to make sure that they're trimmed

[6:21] regularly, and the that'll all be considered as we do the

[6:26] the next phase as well, but the next phase is really more about

[6:30] um improving the bus access. It's not imply it's not intending to extend that

[6:36] same treatment down from a landscape's perspective but um the comments are

[6:41] noted and will be considered in that design.

[6:47] » All right. Um oh so anybody online please raise your hand.

[6:58] » All right Sarah I'm going to go ahead and allow you to talk. Feel free to

[7:01] unmute.

[7:04] All right. Can you confirm you can hear me? All right.

[7:07] » Yes. >> Yep, we can hear you.

[7:09] » Wonderful. Um, my name is Sarah Fitzpatrick. I am a resident of Craftton

[7:13] and I live at 34 Hawthorne Avenue. Um, this is in regards to one of the items

[7:20] on the engineer report for the project on um, Craftton Boulevard and uh, Noble

[7:27] A. Um I think during the last council meeting we had talked about at length

[7:34] about the uh intersection there and basically like the danger it poses

[7:38] mostly to pedestrians, cyclists and students trying to walk to work or walk

[7:43] walk to school. Um, and I noticed that the item on the agenda is specifically

[7:48] to I think it's like a $1.3 million project to completely modify that road

[7:55] and make it safer on like a uh longer timeline. And I'm curious like what we

[8:02] are going to talk about on the agenda to get something resolved quickly if that's

[8:07] on the agenda. Um and then furthermore, there was an action taken to contact um

[8:14] all of the people on the town council and the school board to try and get some

[8:19] more um like uh eyes looking at this intersection for the safety. So, I did

[8:25] follow up with every person on the town council, the town manager, and um the

[8:30] mayor. And unfortunately, I did not receive a reply. And so I'm curious like

[8:35] on these items that show up on the agenda, how can we as um constituents

[8:40] make sure that our voices are heard on these matters of safety, especially when

[8:44] we're trying to get involved? Thank you. >> Thank you, Sarah.

[8:52] » Okay. Does anybody want to respond or >> Yeah, we can we can respond. We did um

[8:57] contact um Scott. We've talked to um uh we have talked to um the engineers

[9:05] determined what the next best step is. Um basically we did get confirmed that

[9:10] we do have to do a traffic study at that intersection because of the way it's

[9:14] controlled. Um we are taking a basically a simple approach of doing um there's a

[9:20] three tier process for the things that have to be addressed. Um only one of

[9:25] those three things is likely to be um a failure. um in at that intersection. So

[9:32] um really summaring summing them up very quickly. One is how many people travel

[9:37] on the road a day. Um and that does not meet that burden. And the second thing

[9:42] is how many accidents happen at that there has to be at least five recorded

[9:46] accidents in the previous year to warrant adding stop signs. Um so it's

[9:51] not going to meet that burden either. Um the third burden is the most likely

[9:54] burden. So we're actually just having them look at that first. Um and uh

[9:59] hopefully they're doing that in the next couple weeks. We talked to they're doing

[10:02] it tomorrow. >> Um and that is a sighteline distance. Um

[10:06] and if it fails that test, which we anticipate it probably will, then we

[10:10] will have a study done on that. Um or at least we'll have that brought to council

[10:15] so that it can be addressed. Um that study is probably around $1,500. So it

[10:20] we'll just have to get it approved by council. And then with the results of

[10:23] that study, we could add stop signs if if it's appropriate. So,

[10:30] » so I have a question. >> Can we can we do something faster than

[10:34] that? I mean, can we put in some sort of a

[10:38] uh pedestrian crosswalking sign? Something I mean, we have the signs that

[10:43] say uh you know, I mean, you must stop for crosswalk, people in crosswalk. It's

[10:49] the law. I mean, they're just hold out signs. I mean, can we do something like

[10:54] I know I Mike, we were talking about the right up at uh Craftton

[10:59] Boulevard and the Clear View extension, there's a big, you know, crosswalk point

[11:04] and D. This is a crosswalk. >> There's a So, in lie of a traffic study

[11:09] to do signs >> to to get to Sarah's point, can we get

[11:13] to something quicker? Is can we do something?

[11:15] » We could probably add signage. We could probably add signage. Yeah,

[11:17] » we mentioned the piano bars. which yeah so we can start moving in the

[11:22] right direction here >> that's already on the list to get done

[11:25] as well >> so the process Jim that you mentioned

[11:27] sorry person um that is the I'm going to say like the appropriate step she would

[11:32] take is that for stop sign installation versus these other signs which I don't

[11:36] know what the >> that's correct

[11:38] » okay so that's what I mean >> that's changing the control of the

[11:40] question >> I don't want to oversimplify signs but

[11:42] it seems like there are like a little person walking like those are things we

[11:47] can put up as needed But to put in a official stop sign that is where you

[11:52] have to go through those appropriate steps. Exactly. Okay. I just wanted to

[11:55] make sure because I my first thought was what is the timing? Could we do

[11:58] something quicker? So you can but to change traffic flow official stop sign

[12:04] there is processes which I think we all >> well keep in mind that's this is not a

[12:08] very slow process. This study will be could be done weeks. The ordinance could

[12:12] be passed. You could have it adapted. It could be installed in the next month.

[12:16] This isn't like a longterm process. So, I hadn't intended to have put put signs

[12:20] there cuz there has been no accidents there

[12:22] » and you know over I don't think I think it was like the last seven or 10 years.

[12:26] » Yeah. >> So, it's not you know it although

[12:29] there's been concern I think >> let's do the thing that makes the most

[12:33] sense that's why I was going to do that but we can put additional signs up if

[12:37] that's >> Yeah. Know and I was just clarifying

[12:38] because I think a lot of times this is just me projecting just people you know

[12:43] it feels like things should be instant. So, I just wanted to make sure I

[12:45] understood there is a process to these things versus we can do like you know

[12:49] said the piano keys or whatever they're called. So, there are things but I just

[12:53] wanted to make sure I understood the process.

[12:55] » Piano key is just a making sure everyone's on the same page too is it's

[12:59] not like a decorative crosswalk. It's just a name for a more visible a much

[13:03] more visible amount of paint on the street. And we've also talked about

[13:06] looking >> into um

[13:09] » because our our existing crosswalks there are very faded and they're just

[13:12] very light bars. the um the type we're talking about is much more a much larger

[13:19] amount of paint and it's more visible um for from a longer distance. And we also

[13:24] are looking into what we can do um on the on the paving from a standpoint of

[13:29] like painting school zone or school slow, right?

[13:32] um which are all things that you know in addition to signage um we can do without

[13:38] a study. And um

[13:43] the that those things on the pavement that are that are visible on the

[13:46] pavement have a much better track record of being effective.

[13:51] There are many studies that show that adding a sign if people are not already

[13:55] driving safely adding a sign they they will just ignore another sign. Um, so it

[13:59] might make people feel like we've done something, but statistically it doesn't

[14:02] really do anything. >> Okay.

[14:04] » I mean, in painting on the ground feel to me just feels like a sign on the

[14:07] ground. Not not to say that it isn't helpful. It is good for visibility. All

[14:11] these things in aggregate are good, >> which is is right. It is.

[14:15] » It is larger and more visible to drivers.

[14:17] » For sure. But I mean, until we actually have other traffic calming measures put

[14:22] into place, like there's still a good chance that somebody could just ignore

[14:26] it and keep rolling. I mean, even stop stop signs, I think, at least add a

[14:29] legal uh barrier where the police can enforce some things and uh and whatnot,

[14:34] but I mean, is there not something we could do?

[14:37] » I don't know how many times in the last 5 years, I think I've heard folks come

[14:41] here asking for temporary speed bumps or like other things. And I don't know what

[14:45] we have in our control or I know obviously we don't have things budgeted

[14:48] or something sitting down at public works that I'm aware of, but I mean, are

[14:51] there not things we could deploy there? Um, again, typically speed bumps are

[14:58] pretty you that's usually the last the last step. You usually want to put any

[15:02] other the other control methods in first for multiple reasons. It slows down

[15:06] other vehicles, slows down emergency vehicles. It um it's not they they're

[15:11] expensive. Um they damage our vehicles. You know, there's a lot of reasons not

[15:15] to put in speed bumps, which is why we have a whole process for putting in

[15:18] speed bumps, which is first putting up speed monitors. And typically, this

[15:22] isn't a problem of speed bumps. This is a problem of blind corners. So, you

[15:25] could have a speed bump in, but if it's not in the exact right place, it doesn't

[15:29] really matter. I think the best thing you can do there is put a stop sign in,

[15:32] which is why we're attempting to go down that route. Um, I think that's going to

[15:35] control the intersection better than anything else we could do. Um, the other

[15:39] things are just, you know, really, to be honest, are making people feel better,

[15:43] but they have very minimal effect. >> That probably the the painting is

[15:47] probably the ne next most effective tool. Um, and then signage is probably

[15:52] the le the next effective tool, but again, not that, you know, pretty low on

[15:57] the effectiveness scale, >> but a combination of

[16:00] » all three could be best case scenario. Did Did we get any clarification on

[16:06] putting a stop sign on the side that we thought was the city's side that's at

[16:10] the end of Black Bridge? >> I haven't confirmed that yet. It does

[16:13] look like it's close enough that we could probably get away with putting one

[16:17] in and say, "Whoops, we're sorry. We thought it was ours." You know, it's

[16:21] it's close enough because I have a GIS map that looks like it's clearly ours. I

[16:24] have a GS map that says it's not ours, you know. So,

[16:28] » I don't know where the source of truth. Did I ask you about this, Steve? Did I

[16:31] ask you for that map? I thought maybe I asked you for a map.

[16:35] » There was a map where I asked for the definitive I'll have to

[16:38] » Yeah. >> See, I think I I think I did ask, but I

[16:41] I can't remember if it was about that or about something similar, but I thought

[16:43] it was about where our definitive property line was.

[16:46] » Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. That's I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah.

[16:50] » Yeah. >> But

[16:51] » that I I I needed to pull a paper file and that's what I'm waiting on.

[16:57] » Okay. >> Yeah. It's not on my

[17:01] » Yeah. Yeah. So, um so we might be able to get away with just putting one in and

[17:05] Okay. You know, and saying, "Whoops. Sorry. We thought it was our

[17:08] intersection." Yeah. >> Because it's really unclear. I thought

[17:11] it was really clear on one map I looked at, but then I looked at another map and

[17:14] it was >> Well, it might be. It might be okay for

[17:16] us to do it. It might actually be our thing to do. So,

[17:19] » I mean, the worst case scenario is they get they say no.

[17:21] » Well, they listen to this video and they're like, "Hey guys."

[17:23] » Yeah. >> Oh, we don't know.

[17:25] » Well, and I mean I I think we've had other reports too. It's interesting that

[17:28] like intersections where maybe we don't maintain total control.

[17:31] » Yeah. >> Popppler coming on to stare at as an

[17:34] example was another place where there's a stop sign, but people are blowing it

[17:38] and and we're getting reports here in council about it and it's just I don't

[17:41] know. Yeah, we should probably figure out

[17:43] » Oh, we did call 31 multiple times. We also called Theresa Kale Smith on that

[17:47] one. And they did put in they finally did put in a stop bar. So, you know,

[17:53] sometimes it takes time, you know, multiple requests.

[17:56] » So, to to Miss Fatrick though, I I did receive your email. By the way, I

[18:01] apologize that I did not respond, but there were, as you've just heard, a lot

[18:04] of >> balls up in the air, and we were trying

[18:07] to figure out what the right response was rather than just a hi, we received

[18:10] your email. We wanted to have something a little more substantial to hopefully

[18:14] report on and we didn't until now. So, >> okay. All right. Um, James,

[18:24] » go ahead. James, >> uh, yes, James Mang 96 Star Street. Um,

[18:28] real quick, um, the podium mic seems to be either really quiet or off because

[18:33] it's hard to hear when they speak. Um, so just kind of note that. Um to

[18:39] Justin's point, uh thank you very much. Yeah, like Stair Street, the stop bar

[18:43] doesn't seem to do much and like signage is kind of weak. Um but to more agenda

[18:48] based items, um I would move to say that we should keep and maintain Lynden to be

[18:53] um a part of the like a valuable part of the uh community and so maintain it as

[19:00] as a park or like a benefit for those who um live here and uh drive through.

[19:07] Um, that's basically it.

[19:14] » Real quick, James, can you hear me on here?

[19:16] » Uh, better than Yeah. >> Okay. It might just be like Make sure

[19:20] the mic is closeish to your mouth whenever you're up here.

[19:23] » You're like, I'm sure. >> It is an older mic. So,

[19:26] » good enough. Oh, and the um link on Savvy takes you to a dead webinar, too,

[19:30] by the way. >> Okay, we will check that.

[19:35] And uh stop bars and signs are yeah they don't do much. I've seen that firsthand.

[19:40] So to uh Sarah's point, you know, um you know, like

[19:47] something more concrete works uh better.

[19:56] All right. Thank you, James. All right. Next is our president's

[20:01] report. Again, construction projects all throughout the burrow. Um, everywhere

[20:06] you go, there's some construction. There's going to be detours. They

[20:09] change. We have them out on Savvy Citizen. Um, so the the movement of the

[20:14] construction is all around. So, just be aware of that. And again, will be ending

[20:19] soon and we will have better better infrastructure at the end.

[20:24] John, on that I I know I texted Mike about this too, just to check in. Like,

[20:30] man, Stuben is rough right now. Like, the the the trenching and then the rough

[20:36] patching they did is just absolutely terrible. I don't know. I I guess the

[20:40] hope is that they'll come in and actually finish things uh to make it

[20:44] look like a street, not a a war zone. Um, but yeah, it's uh I didn't know if

[20:50] we wanted to comment specifically on that section because it is bad

[20:53] » and they're going all the way down to Thornberg Bridge. So, they're not even

[20:56] halfway there yet. >> Nope.

[20:58] » Yeah. >> And unfortunately, we have very little

[21:01] control over that. It is they are a utility and they are doing what's bare

[21:07] minimum required and there's not much we can say about it.

[21:10] » And North Emily was the same. It was really bad until they do the base layer.

[21:16] Then on top of the base layer is the final. So it's especially dark at night.

[21:22] You can't see it any of it. And it's it's difficult. So that's happened with

[21:25] the broadhead project, too. And I'll remind everybody that we asked them

[21:29] what, three, four times to go in with us on the C20 project last year when they

[21:34] could have done it with us >> and they refused three or four times.

[21:37] So, we tried to get it done so that it wouldn't be an additional disruption.

[21:41] Right. >> And and I understand in conversation

[21:45] with you that uh and I think you mentioned at the last meeting that

[21:49] they've gotten um permission from uh >> to increase

[21:53] » from the state to increase their hours which um the other day when I was

[21:57] leaving town um traffic at like 8:30 in the morning was backed up almost to 79

[22:05] trying to get through Craftton. >> Yep. They were supposed to only be

[22:08] working 9:00 a.m. to 3 p.m. and then they got Yeah. They got approved from 8

[22:14] to 4 by Pendot. So they >> Yeah. Well,

[22:19] » we can complain to Pendot, but that's about all we all we have.

[22:22] » Not going to do any good, but you know, just just to remind people,

[22:25] » we can let them know that it's >> Pendot. Yeah, that Pendot did it.

[22:28] » Yep. Pendot approved them. is their plan because we paved the whole road. Are

[22:33] they going to just do the trench? >> No. On a pendot road, they're required

[22:37] to pave the entire road all the way across.

[22:40] » Good. >> Right. I think

[22:41] » that's lane, right? >> It depends on where they're at. It could

[22:44] be a full lane or it could be curb to curb. It depends like and then there's

[22:48] distances required. So, >> even with our project, you can do

[22:53] » when we were up one side of the road, we only had to do just one lane to the

[22:57] center joint. Um, if you have any spurs that come off, then you have to do curb

[23:02] to curb and it's like 15 or 20 feet on either side of the

[23:08] trench. So, like you get a little bit more, it'll be curb to curb, but yeah,

[23:12] they have to mill that off and pave it the same we did for C20.

[23:17] » Okay, good. >> All right, mayor's report.

[23:20] » Yes. Well, tonight I'd um like to start my remarks by um speaking a little bit

[23:26] about tomorrow's um 25th anniversary of 911. Um it's been a quarter century.

[23:34] Um but we do continue to remember the nearly 3,000 lives that were lost that

[23:41] day in New York, at the Pentagon, and here in Pennsylvania

[23:46] in a field near Shanksville. For us Pennians, Shanksville really holds a

[23:51] particularly powerful place in that memory. 40 passengers and the crew of

[23:57] Flight 93 faced incredible circumstances and acted

[24:02] together. Their courage prevented the hijacked

[24:06] plane from reaching its intended target but cost them their lives.

[24:12] We remember too the first responders who ran towards the danger, the families who

[24:18] lost someone they loved, and all those whose lives were forever changed.

[24:24] 25 years later, September 11 asks something of us beyond simply

[24:30] remembering a terrible day. It asked us to remember the courage, the sacrifice,

[24:37] compassion, and sense of common purpose that emerged from it. Tomorrow, I hope

[24:42] we will all take a moment to remember and to honor those lives by carrying a

[24:48] little of that spirit forward. There's so many of us that were not even alive

[24:54] when this happened. So, um I wanted to mention that the American Legion Post um

[25:00] 82 in Carnegie will have their annual ceremony of remembrance tomorrow at noon

[25:07] and the ceremony will be in front of post uh of the post and the address is

[25:12] 421 Jane Street. Everyone is welcome and free parking in the Legion lot.

[25:19] And u moving on um I wanted to um talk a little bit about September being

[25:27] national um hunger action month. It's a reminder that hunger and food

[25:34] insecurity aren't problems just somewhere else. They affect people right

[25:38] here in our community. Fortunately,

[25:44] our community craft is a community that takes care

[25:50] and takes action. For example, I want to commend um the

[25:56] Craftton Ingram food pantry at Craftton United Presbyterian on Bradford B on

[26:02] Bradford which is connected with the uh greater

[26:06] uh Pittsburgh food bank and it provides ongoing help to more than a hundred

[26:10] families and individuals every month from our two communities. Then there's

[26:15] the summer lunch program at the elementary schools both here and in

[26:20] Carnegie and it's financially supported by local organizations including um

[26:25] Craft and Ingram Rotary, St. John's um Evangelical Lutheran Church in CargI,

[26:31] St. Paul's in Mount Lebanon and Alagany Elks 331 along with many volunteers.

[26:39] They've provided over 30,000 meals to our community um and

[26:47] put out thousands of weekend food bang food uh food bags to our children since

[26:54] the uh program started in 2020. Also, each year our Boy Scout troops um band

[27:00] together um to help stock the local pantries um with their food drives.

[27:06] These are these are really just some of the organized efforts that we see. There

[27:11] are also many quieter ones. The people who donate food or money, volunteer

[27:17] their time, check on a neighbor, or simply help someone who needs a hand. As

[27:22] we recognize September as hunger action month in Craftton, I especially want to

[27:28] thank everyone who contributes their time, their dollars, and their energies

[27:33] formally and informally to make sure our neighbors have enough to eat. It's one

[27:39] of the ways that we take care of one another as a community. Thank you.

[27:44] And on a m more mundane level, um I want to remind everybody school's back in

[27:49] session. And I want to remind everyone that the school buses now have the

[27:55] automatic uh cameras and they capture violations uh when their lights are on

[28:00] and the stop sign is extended and the penalties are pretty steep. So either

[28:06] find another way to go to work or make sure that you pay attention to those.

[28:11] And then um also our uh police department is going to once again be

[28:15] hosting another FBI leadership uh class all next week at the community center.

[28:20] The class is full. There's going to be 40 participants. So expect um more cars

[28:26] in the lot and activity around the center. This is a a real feather um in

[28:31] our cap to be able to be um hosting hosting these and that also provides

[28:36] some free spots for our officers to attend these classes. That's my report

[28:40] tonight. >> Thank you, Miss Perry. Um, solicitor's

[28:44] report. >> No public report this evening.

[28:47] » Manager's report, Mr. Price. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, first on the

[28:52] agenda, the salt contract. Um, we have received one bid um from someone uh that

[28:57] is about um 30% lower than um what we received or maybe not 30, I guess $30

[29:03] lower than what we received um from Shikog. So, we may have an opportunity

[29:08] to go with that. Um, we are still not confirmed on that. We're waiting for

[29:12] several other sources to come back. So, we'll keep everybody posted. We have

[29:15] until October to make a decision on whether we're going to be forced to go

[29:19] with the Shakehog uh contract. Looks like we have at least one option to not

[29:23] go that way. So, um it's not the full amount, but at least it's a partial

[29:27] amount. Should get us through to December, in which case we can go out

[29:30] for bid again in January. Um open staff positions. Uh we got to

[29:35] welcome uh Mason Wilkerson this week. He's our new building code official. Um

[29:40] and uh he's fairly excited to be here. So um if you have a chance to come

[29:44] through uh introduce yourself. Uh I know the mayor met him today.

[29:48] » Um so uh he is digging in. Um so that's the only update with that.

[29:54] » Um next thing uh no update with the 30 Elm Street demolition. Uh we do expect

[29:59] that it'll be uh completed by the end of October, but that's not a change from

[30:03] the last meeting. Um next item, we were um re frier right

[30:08] excavating reached out to us had heard that we sold bricks to a salante last

[30:13] year. This is a contact from Stephen uh from Steve who's the uh public works uh

[30:18] director over in Ingram. Uh he told us to reach out to him. So I'm putting this

[30:24] uh I put the resolution together. It's basically the same resolution as last

[30:27] time except for uh for fry right excavating. Uh we do have estimated

[30:32] about 14,000 red street bricks um down in our stockpile. Um we can sell up to

[30:38] technically it's actually 19,900 bricks. Um we have to keep the price

[30:43] under 2,000. Um so they've requested to purchase 1,900 bricks from the burrow.

[30:50] Um, so with that, I'd like a motion to approve resolution 2026-15

[30:55] permitting the bureau to sell uh 1999 red bricks to frier ex frier right

[31:02] excavating at a cost of uh $1999. >> So moved.

[31:08] » Okay, Miss Bountick. >> Second,

[31:10] » Mr. Marks. Any questions or discussion? >> Yeah. Uh, who's Frier Wright Excavating?

[31:17] Uh they're a company that reached out to to purchase bricks. I don't know them

[31:22] personally, >> but are they they're doing work in

[31:24] Ingram, which is why Steve Yeah. So these are for Ingram then?

[31:28] » These bricks are going to Ingram? >> I'm actually not even 100% sure.

[31:31] » Oh, okay. Sorry. >> Because it's it sounded to me it sounds

[31:34] like you just Steve. >> He's the one who gave it to It's

[31:37] possible that they're going to Ingram, but I I didn't even ask.

[31:41] » He had asked to do this and so I put it on the agenda.

[31:44] » Okay. So we don't we don't know like I mean last time we knew they're going to

[31:47] cargi we're kind of softened by the fact that we're going to share them with

[31:50] another burrow. Um but we don't know where these bricks are going to

[31:55] » um the other thing is um do you know what the process is for what the process

[32:01] will be for getting the bricks? Um will they be

[32:04] » they'll go down and pick them up? >> They'll go pick them up one at a time. Y

[32:08] » uh so um >> last time they were down there when Dave

[32:12] was down there and Dave helped them. >> Yeah. So what what I'm what I'm

[32:15] concerned about is picking up a brick, looking at it, throwing it aside, taking

[32:20] the good one, throwing another one back or further in the pile and it leaves our

[32:24] leaves us with a bunch of of broken up bricks wherever they toss them and

[32:28] they've taken good bricks. Um I'd like to I'd like to really know what that

[32:32] process is that they're going to use to to get bricks. That's I think it's

[32:37] basically exactly what you just said is the process. We do have to go through we

[32:42] do have to spend time going through the bricks and that's on the list of things

[32:44] for public works to do. Right. >> Um but we have not done that yet. So

[32:48] yeah, that's essentially the process is they're going to go through and look

[32:50] they'll sort through them themselves, find 2,000 good bricks and take

[32:54] » Okay. All right. So that process to me that process is a little bit like taking

[32:59] the you know taking the good bricks throwing the other ones back in the pile

[33:03] and just getting them all mixed up for what

[33:05] » well they're already all mixed up so >> so um so

[33:08] » well um and also uh the dollar the price a dollar a brick um is that a is that a

[33:16] like I mean a where did that value come from?

[33:19] » Um that's what we suggested last time and that's what we've been going with.

[33:24] No, there's no Yeah, >> because a new brick is about $2 a brick,

[33:28] right? >> No, new bricks are like Well, new bricks

[33:32] are difficult. They're depends on what kind of brick you get. You know, I don't

[33:36] know the comparison to to brand new bricks. Brand new bricks are actually

[33:39] tend to be cheaper, >> but they're also not as high quality.

[33:42] So, you know, I don't I don't know what a exact comparison is. That's what we

[33:46] sold them for last time. So, that's what I was putting them on here for this

[33:49] time. I didn't do any serious, you know, investigation around

[33:55] this. >> Well, I myself have a hard time saying

[33:59] uh uh yay to this due to the fact that uh we really don't know who far our

[34:06] right is. We don't know where the bricks are going. We don't know if they're

[34:09] going to go to someone's personal driveway, if they're going to go to

[34:11] another municipality. Um >> I'm fairly certain they are going to

[34:15] road work. I just in >> Well, we don't know that. And uh and we

[34:19] also, you know, I I we don't know how the process is going to be. Is the

[34:25] process going to cause us more work, less work? Um it those are just

[34:29] questions that I would it would be nice if they if we had answers to um before

[34:35] we would before we would uh go ahead with allowing this to proceed. Maybe we

[34:41] could get some of those answers uh first.

[34:44] » Okay. Miss Compella, >> we have 14,000 red bricks in our

[34:49] stockpile. Are is that true that they're red bricks or is that just 14,000

[34:53] bricks? >> 14,000. That's an assessment based on

[34:56] Dave's, you know, general uh look at it. He assumes we have about 14,000 just red

[35:02] bricks. We have about 3,000 yellow bricks. Um now again, all of these need

[35:08] to be gone through. They they've dumped about four or five triacles down there

[35:13] from the projects. However, um they did not do any prep work dumping those down

[35:19] there. And so, um and the way they remove them, most likely half of them

[35:23] are damaged. Um so there's a good there's a there's a good bit of work

[35:26] that needs to go into um you know, re-evaluating

[35:30] how many are good and how many are not. I don't have any assessment on that.

[35:34] » So, it's likely that you know 14,000 or so estimate in our in our stockpile may

[35:40] be more like 7,000. No, that's that's his assessment

[35:45] of good bricks. >> Yeah, that's his assessment of what are

[35:47] good bricks. There's probably 20 or 25,000

[35:51] » bricks down there. >> I mean, I'm looking at the meeting notes

[35:53] from the April 10, 2025 meeting whenever you the vote happened for the sale to a

[35:58] salante as the when engineer Keenan was here, he said that the brick when they

[36:05] when Cente went down there, they assessed that there'd be there was about

[36:08] 30 to 50,000 bricks down there at the time.

[36:10] » Right. And this is what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying there's probably

[36:13] 14,000 good bricks. There's a lot of there's a lot that needs to be gone

[36:17] through down there, but we don't have we don't have knowledge of exactly how many

[36:21] are down there. >> Yeah, it doesn't seem like a priority.

[36:24] And I say that in the best way to >> sort quality of brick. It's like on one

[36:30] hand like sitting on 50,000 bricks with no reasonable idea on how many are good

[36:36] or bad is not doing anybody any favors where you just have a pile of rocks. And

[36:41] it does also seems that as we've been doing brick street repairs, it's not

[36:45] like things have been going in place uh in the way people have been asking uh

[36:50] aka the colors and some of the other stuff. So, I just Yeah, I I'm not sure

[36:55] that on one hand, uh, if they find 2,000 good bricks in there to sell, like,

[37:00] cool. It doesn't sound like we were deploying them anyways. I'm not saying

[37:03] that's right or wrong. Um, you know, maybe we could take some time and sort

[37:09] them and turn them into an asset that we can have handy for repairs and putting

[37:14] things back in place. Um, on the other hand, like selling 2,000 bricks may be

[37:19] the maybe half of the good bricks or more for all we know. Um, and we may

[37:24] have none left after. So, >> and remember there's a storage. We're

[37:28] storing them on our property. So, they're sitting there on the property

[37:31] right now and this is an opportunity to move 2,000 out because otherwise we're

[37:38] going to have to go through more. I I mean

[37:41] otherwise we can hold them for another hundred years.

[37:45] » So um perhaps part of it you can instead of as Greg was worried about throwing

[37:50] them back on the pile that the ones that aren't any good get to start another

[37:54] pile so they do a little bit of the sorting work for us.

[37:57] » Yeah, >> we can definitely ask them to do that.

[37:59] » It's not a bad idea. >> Ask require.

[38:02] » We can Yeah, I I can I can require that they do that.

[38:05] » If it's broken, don't throw it back in the pile. Well, if you break it, you buy

[38:09] it. >> Isn't that a general guarantee?

[38:12] » Yeah. I don't know if that's I mean, if you pick it up, have you broken it? I

[38:15] don't know. >> No, it's No, I'm talking if they toss it

[38:17] and it breaks. Oh, yeah. Not if you pick it up and it's broken. That

[38:21] » have them make sure they put it in a certain area so that we can bring a high

[38:24] lift in there and just get rid of all the broken ones for clean fill or

[38:27] something. >> Yeah, I can definitely require that they

[38:28] do. >> I mean, we could try to scan a couple

[38:32] couple uh caps. I personally have no problem selling

[38:37] 2,000 bricks. We have for if we have even 10,000 red good bricks. We have no

[38:42] plan for them. They've been sitting there forever. I really don't personally

[38:46] don't care if it's going to Ingram. If it's going to someone's personal

[38:49] driveway, I don't care if someone wants to buy them, if someone wants to use

[38:54] them. We have them sitting in a pile. They've been there for how long? So,

[38:58] personally, I don't care. I I say sell them the bricks and say thank you.

[39:04] Do we know how many red brick roads we have? I mean, like

[39:07] » we have four miles of brick roads. I don't know how many are red

[39:10] » because I was going to say what what what is our future needs potentially?

[39:13] » I don't know. >> So,

[39:18] » all right. Um, we have a motion on the table. Um, all in favor

[39:23] » I >> opposed. No.

[39:25] » No. >> No.

[39:26] » So, motion passes. >> Oh, no. Who were those? Marks. Marks

[39:31] Waznjak. And who? >> Kirsten. Did you say no?

[39:34] » Oh, you said no. >> Yeah. So, it was three and three.

[39:36] » Four and three. >> Oh, four and three. I'm sorry.

[39:38] » Four and three. Yeah. >> All right.

[39:43] » Mayor was getting excited for a second.

[39:49] » I just wanted to make sure that it didn't like it.

[39:51] » We'd be having another meeting. >> All right. The next item on my agenda,

[39:57] uh the uh minimum municipal pension obligation. Um this is the deposit that

[40:02] we have to make in retirement accounts every year. Um the requirement for the

[40:07] 2027 police pension fund is $155,000. Uh $155,392.

[40:15] Um for the non-uniform pension fund, it's $100,583.

[40:20] Um, so with that, I'd like a motion to approve resolution 2026-14

[40:25] adopting the 2027 minimum municipal pension obligation amount of 155,392

[40:33] for the police pension fund and $100,583 into the non-uniform pension fund. And

[40:40] these are included in the budget, just so you know. Um, uh, they're already

[40:45] baked into the budget. >> So moved.

[40:48] » Second, >> Mr. Ho. Second, Miss Compello. Any

[40:51] questions or discussion?

[40:56] Hearing none. All in favor? >> I

[40:58] » opposed. Motion passes.

[41:02] » And uh that uh other than just the budget schedule, the budget workshop

[41:07] schedule. We did have a budget workshop today starting at 6 p.m. Um and we will

[41:12] continue to have them through the rest of the year.

[41:15] » All right. >> And that's all my updates. Thanks.

[41:18] engineers report. Mr. Baker. >> All right. Thank you. So, the Broadhead

[41:21] Sewer Separation Project um over the past couple weeks um they have been

[41:28] performing the bottle wearing course paving um on Park Velvetier Rebecca

[41:36] um portion of Broadhead from Krenell down to Rebecca. Um

[41:44] North Emily uh milled have binder in place. Um they're going to do one last

[41:49] trip back hopefully in a few weeks to finish out the rest of the paving um

[41:55] because they still need to install curb on North Emily from Coulter to Park. So

[41:59] it's to begin next week. Um we did start a punch list um have half of the project

[42:09] walkth through um issued that initial or say partial punch list to the

[42:15] contractor. Um it's a pretty significant list. So um we're going to work on

[42:20] getting the rest of that finished here um within the next week.

[42:26] » Can I can I ask a question? I did see um in the last day or so an email from

[42:33] Brian Vertz. >> Yes. And we got that yesterday

[42:35] afternoon. Yep. >> Okay. Has anyone addressed

[42:39] » No, I was planning we had to uh talk today. I was working on the budget stuff

[42:43] today. I meant to email him earlier today. I did not have a chance to do

[42:46] that. So, um, we are planning to meet with him. Um, but I have not contacted

[42:51] him yet. So, that's on me. >> Okay.

[42:52] » Yep. Thank you. >> Yep.

[42:53] » Yep.

[42:56] » Any other questions? >> Okay. The Pine Street sewer project. Um,

[43:03] we are currently out to bid. Um, mandatory free bid September 15th on

[43:08] Tuesday. Um, open bids on October 15th. Um we have made a provision um in the

[43:15] contract that contractors need to use Rushway and alley A um to access to keep

[43:22] the construction traffic off of um Bar and uh Clear View. Um so we do have

[43:31] that. They would likely be posting no parking signs in those so they can have

[43:36] full clear access to get their trucks and everything through there. So we did

[43:40] make that provision.

[43:45] Um the 2026 graft and sewer system repairs uh on and m they have completed

[43:51] all the lining work that is done. They are working on our the punch list that

[43:55] we had initially sent them to get stuff cleaned up in RETV. So um they're

[44:01] working through that now. Um so and M is essentially done. Great punch list.

[44:09] Great. Noble Lynwood Park. Uh I know the last

[44:13] time uh last meeting we discussed uh cost, the design, the alternates. Um

[44:22] and we discussed the midblock crossing. Um so do have uh talk with our traffic

[44:28] folks. So, for the midblock crossing, um, you would need 40 people per hour

[44:36] and no crosswalks at an intersection within

[44:41] 300 ft. So, you have 250 approximately in one direction and 160 in the other.

[44:49] Um, so we could still even if you did the study

[44:55] and you get the 40 people in an hour and you submit it to Pendot, they can still

[45:01] shut it down because you have crosswalks at adjacent intersections. Um, and then

[45:08] I know we talked about potentially moving it up to Sydney. Um, our

[45:14] recommendation would be to not install that at Sydney because that is a sharp

[45:18] curve. Um, and kind of sight line type thing. There are utility poles there. I

[45:24] mean, we can review that and check it, but I think as far as us, Gateway does

[45:29] not recommend installing that at the at the vend.

[45:39] And we do have a little more work to do. um uh with we have to work on getting uh

[45:45] um the at the the administrative office has to work on getting uh doing the

[45:49] co-star orders before we can go out to bid on that finally. So

[45:52] » So is the um upshot of that that it's not likely that

[45:58] we're going to get that crosswalk. >> We're not getting that crosswalk on.

[46:01] » Yeah, we advised to just let it go and to uh to not let to basically not

[46:07] repaint it. Um, >> does that mean I remember see the design

[46:12] that we had for it? Does that will we see a revised? I'm just curious. I feel

[46:16] like >> Yeah, there is some cost savings because

[46:18] there's two uh large concrete slabs. >> I remember it felt like very intentional

[46:23] about the ADA point of that. So, just curious on what that revision might look

[46:28] like and save those costs. >> Yeah, we can bring it back to the next

[46:31] meeting. >> Okay. Just curious.

[46:32] » I can go over it if you're not going to be here. Yeah.

[46:34] » Okay. So, this will fall outside of the bounds of that particular project, but

[46:39] since we're not able to keep and upgrade that midblock crossing, um let's add to

[46:46] the infrastructure committee meeting the next one where we can improve the

[46:50] existing crosswalks at the next intersections.

[46:52] » Okay.

[47:05] Okay. Um, people's gas line replacement that's

[47:09] discussed um ongoing um slow moving. They did get approved um from 8 to 4

[47:17] Monday through Friday. Um as they get down closer towards um Duncan and

[47:25] towards the Thornberg Bridge, detours will get posted. So, um, get through.

[47:30] We'll double check that, make sure that they are getting their detours posted.

[47:36] » Weren't we talking about uh the traffic on Duncan and how we were going to

[47:41] handle that? >> Um, how so?

[47:46] » Because I thought we we got feedback from folks uh given, you know, Duncan

[47:50] coming off of Stuben's one way, Duncan coming.

[47:53] » We've already Oh, we already changed that. Okay. Yeah, that was cool. Weeks

[47:56] ago. Yep. >> Yeah.

[47:58] Cool. >> All right, that was my question.

[48:03] » Um, the Craftton Boulevard improvements, the LSA grants. Um,

[48:09] no real update with that one. >> Yeah, no real update with the next two

[48:12] at all. >> Um,

[48:17] yeah, the the Craftton Elementary streetscaping project. Um,

[48:22] currently working on getting those items separated out what's in the city. So

[48:26] just kind of want to review I think review that with the infrastructure

[48:30] committee um before we finalize that to make sure that moving forward in the

[48:35] direction that was proposed. It's been quite a few years. So

[48:40] » can we just also clarify since there's not detail on it. Item F that you just

[48:45] mentioned, the Captain Boulevard improvements LSA grant. Um the extension

[48:49] that was approved, that was funding from several years back that was in part of

[48:54] the project that did the streetscape further up Craftton Boulevard and there

[48:57] was some funding left for um some landscaping and some and some work, some

[49:04] lighting that we were able to do with other funding. So there there was some

[49:08] funding left and it's not a large amount. And because we're now into item

[49:12] G also with Craftton larger new funding for the Craftton

[49:16] Elementary Boulevard streetscaping project, that remaining funding for um

[49:22] some landscaping improvements listed in item F that extension was improve was

[49:28] approved so that we can bundle both efforts together and do something

[49:33] consistent. >> It Yeah, it's really not getting bundled

[49:36] together. We're basically doing adding the four

[49:39] » planning it together. >> Yeah, we're adding the four lights. I

[49:43] don't know that we're really planning it together either, just so I just want to

[49:46] be clear. We're basically adding the four lights.

[49:49] » We're adding the EV charger in the uh in the school parking lot and then the

[49:53] trees that were required up further. And that's really it.

[49:57] » That's what's getting done with that. There's no planning with the other

[50:00] project. I mean, it's

[50:02] » we were trying to make sure that they that they were not going to

[50:07] » inconsistencies, but I I just wanted to clarify because they're both they're

[50:10] called Craft and Boulevard and one just says nothing happening and the other I

[50:14] just wanted to clarify what the difference is between the two.

[50:17] » Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep. >> So, I have one question. We during the

[50:21] uh um Delusio um uh check presentation, there was a little bit of of asking

[50:27] about like when shovels would be in the ground for this. And I and I think uh

[50:32] one politician didn't know and other people it was it was a mixup. So do we

[50:37] have do we have a any idea of what the shovels in? Okay.

[50:42] » We don't and there's a there's a good reason for that. So this is a community

[50:45] project funding. This is basically um these are basically congressional

[50:49] earmarks. >> Okay.

[50:50] » Um and so the first thing that has to happen is they have to give the guidance

[50:54] to the state. They've now given the guidance to the state and basically

[50:59] depending on what department it relates to in this case it depart relates to DOT

[51:04] department of transportation at the state I mean at the federal level they

[51:07] gave it to PENDOT PennDOT said they didn't have the capacity to deal with it

[51:11] so they're going out to request to get a uh to get a um a consultant who's going

[51:17] to manage the program and as far as I know they don't have one yet. Do you

[51:20] know different yet? >> I do not know any different.

[51:22] » Yeah. Yep. And so we're basically waiting on the state to act to basically

[51:26] make to basically set up the program so that we can get our money. Um and and we

[51:32] don't get our money first either. We basically just get a contract first and

[51:35] that allows us to go out and do the work and then come back and get our money. Um

[51:39] but um so we don't we're just kind of in limbo waiting for them. And uh we were

[51:43] awarded this money in like February of 25 or March of 25. I mean 26. Was it

[51:51] this year? early this year. Sorry, I thought it was last year. It feels like

[51:55] a long time. >> I thought it was last year,

[51:57] » but um so we don't we >> so we don't know sho so like and I'm

[52:01] just trying to think about what we talked about in front of the school. We

[52:04] weren't sure about shovels in the ground in 27 or 28 in was really not sure. No,

[52:11] because we still don't because until that gets until that happens, we don't

[52:14] have any knowledge of when what the requirements will be

[52:18] » and federal grants depending on >> the last CPF grant we had did not go

[52:23] through any state agencies and we had to go directly through the federal

[52:27] government and going directly through the federal government is incredibly

[52:31] difficult. the levels of of because they typically do very large grants in the

[52:35] millions of dollars, multi, you know, hundred, you know, tens and tens of

[52:39] millions, hundreds of millions. Um, so their process is very extensive um to

[52:45] make sure that nobody is taking advantage of anything. Um, so it's I'm

[52:50] glad they're not going through the federal government directly, but I don't

[52:53] know how the state is going to set it up. So we're really kind of in limbo

[52:57] until they set it up. And so we initially thought we were going to be

[53:00] able to go out next year. So we probably initially told people 27 and then as

[53:05] things kept getting pushed back, we didn't have any information. Now we just

[53:08] we don't know. >> Yeah. Because we still have to do final

[53:10] design plans. Um all that needs done, solicit bids and but we don't want to

[53:16] start any final design until we have a contract. So I I think that's where

[53:20] we're we're at. Once we get assigned contracts, then we can move forward with

[53:25] final design because we also gonna have to go through the city of Pittsburgh as

[53:29] well. So, there's permitting that has to go,

[53:31] » right? There's three there's also three agencies involved. So, in top of it, so

[53:35] it already exposes it down even more because you have three bodies that are

[53:38] working on it, the school district, us and the burough school.

[53:43] So, I mean, it's pretty confident. You can pretty confidently say it's not

[53:46] likely that shovels hit dirt next year and it could be two or three or four

[53:53] years out. >> I would say it's most likely 28, but I

[53:55] don't want to, >> right? But I'm saying we can pretty

[53:57] confidently say >> not 27,

[54:00] » probably not in 27. There'll be all kinds of other conversations and things

[54:05] going on, but it won't be shovels on the ground. And I'm guessing the school

[54:09] district would ideally like to do it when school's not in session.

[54:11] » Yeah, that's that's what um >> right. So

[54:14] » that's what they said that day. >> Yeah. So you have a limited a more

[54:17] limited now you're narrowing it down to a three-month period. So

[54:22] » So my kids will be in high school by the time.

[54:26] » Yeah, they might. Yeah, one of them might be the engineer doing the

[54:31] » You never know. It was always on. >> My daughter is in sixth grade and I

[54:36] asked for this starting >> too late for her

[54:38] » back in first grade. >> Too late for her.

[54:45] » All right. Um the So the brick street repairs um the work is complete. The

[54:51] change order was accepted. So we've been waiting until broadhead gets cleaned up

[54:55] before we get him back out there to to finish. So we're still looking at

[54:58] October. No change there. um road paving. Um

[55:04] » so that's for the Cornell repairs. Yes. The three four repairs on Cornel.

[55:09] » Yes. And it's the brick uh street repair contractor Angelo Cente who's performing

[55:14] that work. And keep in mind that is not the brick work that is touched in the

[55:19] trench. That is still the responsibility of the original contractor to do that.

[55:23] This is just the stuff that's outside of the trench repair

[55:26] » that we talked about the last meeting. Three items.

[55:28] » Yeah. um road paving. Um the fountain and

[55:33] Lynwood Park Alley. Um Alex Paris was the base bid that was accepted. Um

[55:39] preparing the schedule. Contracts were signed. Um got those executed. Uh trying

[55:45] to set up the precon next week. Uh which we should get an idea of when they would

[55:51] be out here to to do that those two streets.

[55:57] Um, and we have covered the the paving on

[56:01] Broadhead earlier. Um, and street per permits received. Jim, have you received

[56:08] any? >> Um, no, I have not received any.

[56:13] » That's all I have. >> All right. Thank you, Mr. Baker.

[56:18] Community and Economic Development Director's Report. Mr. Price.

[56:21] » Um, no update on 82 Belvadier at this time. Hopefully I will have a solid

[56:26] update next time. Um, so nothing to update there. Um, I don't have an update

[56:31] on the Trico Land Bank property. Um, unless you want to update anything,

[56:36] Craig? >> Yeah, I uh, as promised um, I did a a

[56:40] uh, study um, on those four properties and uh, I pretty did a pretty deep dive.

[56:46] I shared it with everybody. I I don't know if you all got a chance to to look

[56:50] at it or not. U, you can shake your head yes or no. Right. But anyway, um I

[56:56] looked through um in a lot of detail. I've been working on this for a while.

[57:01] Um um kind of like it hit hit the road running uh after the last meeting when I

[57:06] promised I were going to do it. So uh I did it. I shared it with everybody. Um

[57:13] the what I'm finding in the study and hopefully uh you guys had a chance to

[57:19] read it. Um it is looking it is looking like you know we looked at we looked at

[57:23] all it the study looks at you know mainly three possibilities and and down

[57:29] to really two and it's con uh servtorship versus a tripod land bank

[57:34] and it's not it's not saying do one or the other but what it does is that it

[57:38] does introduce a whole new concept of a conservatorship being split duty that

[57:45] the pharaoh is the petitioner and then we get a conserv conservator to handle

[57:51] the um the conservatorship part of it which is which is the heavy lifting part

[57:58] of burrow personnel. Um so it in doing that in looking in going through uh the

[58:06] analysis um that I did and um that it it it appears that we if we would go that

[58:14] route we could still be able to keep burrow staff time low. Um

[58:22] uh there are risk. It's all in the report what the risks are and things

[58:26] like that. I mean I didn't skip over any of that stuff. I addressed all that

[58:30] stuff. It's all in the it's all in this report. Um but it does but it does look

[58:36] like that, you know, with that um shared responsibility of uh uh petitioner and

[58:42] conservatorship that um we could greatly reduce the amount of burough staff time

[58:49] that would be required. Um so um with all that um I shared it with everybody.

[58:57] I was um I I think that the it it it brings to light a lot a lot of different

[59:05] things that we did we did not discuss early on or we did not have total good

[59:12] information on early on. I had Steve go out and get brand new uh numbers as far

[59:18] as back taxes and stuff like that. So with that, I would like to I would like

[59:24] to uh make a motion that um because we are up against the or maybe I should

[59:30] talk to Steve first that we upper we're up against um a timeline a time uh

[59:37] deadline now of September 22nd which is prior to the next meeting which would

[59:45] mean that if we were going to take any kind of an action that we wouldn't have

[59:50] a meeting in between that timeline to take any kind of an action. So, uh I

[59:56] would like to make a motion that we that we uh ask for an extension to this uh uh

[1:00:04] objection deadline. uh asked for like a 90-day extension to that so that we

[1:00:10] would have uh more time as a burrow council to do our due diligence and to

[1:00:17] um go through these other processes that are being recommended and um have uh

[1:00:25] more concrete uh numbers um than um what we were that we had before before this

[1:00:34] um petition. So with that, I don't know if I how is that did I do that motion

[1:00:39] correctly or >> Well, it's it's it because it's not on

[1:00:44] the agenda, you have to make a motion to amend the agenda to add that motion.

[1:00:49] » Oh, okay. >> That would be the first hurdle. Second

[1:00:51] hurdle is the actual motion itself. >> Okay. So, I'd like to make a motion to

[1:00:59] » amend >> amend the agenda to add a motion. Yes.

[1:01:05] » Referring to the Tricot Land Bank. >> So move

[1:01:10] » deadline. >> Yep. Second.

[1:01:12] » Okay. So Kirsten and um Justin, any discussion or questions?

[1:01:18] » So Greg, what's the out we haven't done anything through the

[1:01:23] Triog land bank yet? >> No.

[1:01:26] And I think it's important that we do at

[1:01:30] least one of the uh less promising

[1:01:36] South Gra 64 South Graan View as an example um properties that we don't

[1:01:40] think the burrow could take on right because of the extent of the damage.

[1:01:44] » We're not motioning >> to have the agenda and the agenda.

[1:01:48] » We can still talk about >> you're allowed you're allowed to talk

[1:01:51] now that the motions have been made. Okay. So, first and second for sure.

[1:01:55] Okay. >> Yeah. We're not we're not voting on the

[1:01:57] motion to motion to delay things. We're just talking about the possibility of

[1:02:02] adding it to the agenda. >> We haven't made a motion yet to request

[1:02:06] the extension. Correct. We just made the motion

[1:02:09] » to amend the >> to amend the agenda.

[1:02:11] » So, I guess you really should be discussing the amending of the agenda.

[1:02:13] So, if you want to approve if you guys want to approve amending the agenda,

[1:02:16] » we haven't voted on amending the agenda yet.

[1:02:18] » Yeah. So we could finalize that vote and then discuss the next step.

[1:02:22] » We can discuss before the vote >> the agenda. We have a conversation on

[1:02:25] why we don't want to amend the agenda. >> This is related. I would like to

[1:02:28] understand why we're amending the agenda. I just want to know what the

[1:02:32] intent is. I'm okay with extending things, but we we can re-evaluate.

[1:02:39] I'll be honest, Greg, 39 pages is killing me. I read the executive review.

[1:02:44] I did that and I maybe I looked at the second the table afterwards where you

[1:02:47] compared some results and stuff and that's all good and fine. Um and I saw

[1:02:52] Jim's reply with some of you know his context here. I just want to know what

[1:02:56] the hope is like if we extend this so that we have another meet to where

[1:03:01] we'll vote on this the next meeting. Yeah. um is the hope

[1:03:06] » I would like to add I would like to add one thing into this um and that is I did

[1:03:10] have a conversation with Mora Burgess today about 11 Fountain Street um and I

[1:03:16] think that is a better test case if we're going to use this split process I

[1:03:21] would again recommend that we allow all four of these properties to go through

[1:03:24] the land bank to see how that process works out for the bureau and that we use

[1:03:29] 11 Fountain Street as a test case and other test case for the conservatorship

[1:03:33] because we have still not even gotten through one test case with

[1:03:36] conservatorship because of challenges that were met and it, you know, maybe

[1:03:40] wasn't done the best way. Um, and so, you know, we're still learning. So, I I

[1:03:46] do I I don't want to, you know, as the person who has to manage the process,

[1:03:51] take on two or three of these at this time. Um, even just even if we're only

[1:03:56] partnering with somebody because we still have to manage that process. I

[1:03:59] just don't think we're prepared for that. um especially with three new

[1:04:02] employees coming on, none of who have done conservatorships. Um and so I think

[1:04:07] we're still in a learning process at this point. Um but that's my

[1:04:11] recommendation. >> So I have a since we're apparently

[1:04:14] discussing the whole thing now and not just the amendment to the motion,

[1:04:18] amendment to the agenda. Um >> is that right? Presumably,

[1:04:21] » I mean technically we should focus on the amending and the amended underlying

[1:04:26] issue, but I understand why >> someone would want to understand the

[1:04:31] purpose of the amending. So, >> um it's really up to the chair to decide

[1:04:36] if you want to continue. >> Yeah, then we can continue on that leg.

[1:04:40] » Because of that, it's in his hands and he said you can continue.

[1:04:45] I I I don't mind proceeding to the vote on the first part either, but um yeah,

[1:04:49] presumably as we move on to the reason why we might be amending the agenda,

[1:04:55] » um we can if we request an extension that

[1:05:04] puts the decision in their hands to either agree or not agree, but just

[1:05:09] simply making the request does not invalidate anything for

[1:05:15] Does it invalidate something for them? Can they just say, "You know what?

[1:05:17] Forget it. This isn't worth it." >> I have no I mean I don't without

[1:05:23] question. Is there a risk to simply asking if they're okay giving an

[1:05:26] extension? Is there anything worse that can happen than they say no?

[1:05:32] » They could they decide not to take the properties and then in which case we're

[1:05:35] back to four properties that are blighted that we have no plan for. Now

[1:05:40] » I I think I don't think there's a risk of that. I think the only the only

[1:05:44] possible risk might be if they budgeted something in this year and they're

[1:05:47] expecting it to be happening in this year. I have but I don't have I don't

[1:05:51] have any knowledge of that. I don't I wouldn't anticipate that they would be

[1:05:55] » um you know ret I wouldn't anticipate that but I don't

[1:06:01] » Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know you know >> maybe they are I have no idea but I

[1:06:05] don't I wouldn't anticipate that. >> Yeah. and and and and and the study

[1:06:09] doesn't show that, you know, get rid of all it. It's just like look at them and

[1:06:13] say maybe maybe one works better this way, one works better the other way. And

[1:06:17] and and it's the extension is just the >> the the

[1:06:23] ask to be able to give this a little bit of a deeper dive of of what we came up

[1:06:28] with here. and just if they will give us an extension just to say, "Hey, listen,

[1:06:33] let let us do a little bit of more in-depth re review of this that we

[1:06:38] didn't have an opportunity to do until now."

[1:06:43] » This might be something um we don't have the answer to. If we ask and they say

[1:06:49] no, does that mean kind of feels all gray and confusing right now in my

[1:06:53] brain. At the next meeting, we have to make a decision. No,

[1:06:57] » we've already you have to make a decision. The decision was made already.

[1:07:00] » Yes, I remember. >> Yeah,

[1:07:02] » but isn't it that that's we had this timeline to review the

[1:07:05] » Yes, >> it's for basically to file your concerns

[1:07:09] or to register your >> concern. Yeah, because the letter says

[1:07:12] within 60 days of this notice, we would have to notify the land bank in writing,

[1:07:16] if we object to the acquisition by a super supermajority vote, the land bank

[1:07:21] shall not acquire central property, >> right? Which is six votes of not

[1:07:27] acquiring. But that that ends before our next council vote. So we've already

[1:07:32] » taken the decision to proceed. If we choose to with if we choose to back off

[1:07:37] and say that we want to take any of these out of consideration, right, we

[1:07:40] would have to do that >> by the deadline which is before our next

[1:07:44] council. >> So So back to the question I guess I had

[1:07:48] for Greg. Of the four properties we have on here, which ones are we thinking

[1:07:52] we'll challenge? I think I think >> all of them because we want to delay and

[1:07:56] evaluate with the framework or is there one you had specifically in mind?

[1:08:00] » No, no, I I think we should discuss that. I think we did we did our due

[1:08:04] diligence now. We got a lot of the information. I think now we we don't

[1:08:09] we're not asking to remove any of these from the land bank. We're just asking

[1:08:12] the land bank for give us a little bit more time to look at it so that we can

[1:08:17] do do our due diligence as a as a burrow council and say hey you know it our due

[1:08:25] diligence may be hey all we want to stick all four with the land bank but

[1:08:30] but right now we had nothing to go on until we finished some sort of a some

[1:08:35] sort of a due diligence report. So, uh, we didn't even know what the

[1:08:40] back taxes were up until last week or the week up until Steve got them for us.

[1:08:47] I mean, so, so now we know what the back taxes are. Now, we know what what we're

[1:08:54] what the back taxes are that we would be relinquishing if we went with the land

[1:08:59] bank. And it might be a good thing. It might be say we might say that yeah it's

[1:09:03] worth doing that because this property is such a risky property or it's not.

[1:09:08] The situation is that we did not do that due diligence yet and now and we and we

[1:09:15] we got into a time crunch and now we're just asking the land bank to say, "Hey,

[1:09:19] could you give us another 90 days and not hold our feet to the fire on this on

[1:09:24] this on this um on your letter?" And that's all we're

[1:09:30] asking. We're just asking for another 90 days to do a little bit of due

[1:09:33] diligence. They might come back to say no.

[1:09:36] » They might be legally required to, but the way that that says a super majority,

[1:09:41] » um, that's probably in state law. Oh, that's in their bylaws, not state law.

[1:09:45] » I would think it would be in their bylaw.

[1:09:46] » Okay. Okay. >> So, a little bit of the history, too.

[1:09:50] » It's also there to to make it more difficult to sort of

[1:09:53] » pull out. >> Yeah. After you've already submitted,

[1:09:56] » right? >> Yeah.

[1:09:57] » Yes. because this is because they've already done a lot of research on this,

[1:10:01] » right? So, >> they've had a cost. So, so I think a

[1:10:05] history is good to hear because we've got close to 30 properties that are

[1:10:10] bladed or in >> No, more like 20 probably 20 and there's

[1:10:14] probably only 10 that are 10 that are eligible to go to a land, you know, in

[1:10:18] this ballpark. So, >> but I mean, we've still got a lot of

[1:10:22] properties. This has never been addressed by the burrow in terms of

[1:10:26] going after bladed or properties that are not not not feasible with that. The

[1:10:34] the drive of that was we have residents living next door to these places or in

[1:10:40] the neighborhood and they are the ones getting affected by whether it's

[1:10:44] rodents, you know, people going in there,

[1:10:47] whatever. And it is extremely difficult. We've had people come here and talk

[1:10:52] about the issues of blighted properties. So the main drive of that and why we

[1:10:57] started this program and it's through Jim and finding out all the different

[1:11:01] ways we could do which we found the three potentially four which we learned

[1:11:05] at along is to go through this. So we've attacked

[1:11:10] Belvadier and we're learning from that one. The land bank was the second one.

[1:11:14] So we proposed five properties, we pulled one out and we had four. So, a

[1:11:19] council voted to move forward, but also the school district and the county voted

[1:11:24] to move forward with these. The land bank took them, looked at them, and

[1:11:28] said, "We'll we'll take these four. >> We're not looking The drive of this was

[1:11:33] not looking to make money." It wasn't like we're looking to make money on

[1:11:38] these. I mean, these are properties that have been sitting there for sometimes

[1:11:42] the 1800s or late 19 or early 1900s. We're looking to make them into places

[1:11:48] where people can live and our neighbors that are around there are better off.

[1:11:53] So, I think we've already gone through this and decided we may have additional

[1:11:58] information. I think we could utilize that information for the other 20

[1:12:03] properties that we have to look at. But I think we're doing a disservice if

[1:12:07] we're looking at this from a financial aspect to say we can gain some dollars

[1:12:13] by delaying this versus the initial charge which was to help the folks that

[1:12:20] are next to these properties. >> Could I also add, John, um because I

[1:12:24] think it was really helpful to to kind of recap some of the history and I'd

[1:12:27] like to just add a bit more to clarify since we're on record here. Greg made

[1:12:32] some comments about how no due diligence was done and I do firmly disagree with

[1:12:36] that. I think very ample due diligence has been done on this topic and on these

[1:12:41] properties and on the differences and the costs and the risk associated with

[1:12:46] conservatorship persists the TRIRCOG land bank. Um there is certainly always

[1:12:50] more information um in any case that can always be

[1:12:54] gathered and and I appreciate that more information has been gathered here but I

[1:12:58] I would certainly say that plenty of due diligence has been done has been done. I

[1:13:03] I you know want to make sure that's on the record. It's not that we have not

[1:13:06] done any. We have we have done plenty. Um, personally I feel confident even

[1:13:11] with the new information that the the four properties um that are under

[1:13:17] consideration by the land bank are you deserve to stay there. Um, but back to

[1:13:22] the the topic on the table. If there is interest in um delaying so that we can

[1:13:30] add additional information to our consideration, perhaps we consider doing

[1:13:35] um a shorter period of time that won't >> um put off the the efforts that we've

[1:13:41] been working on for so long and make people wait longer um but allow us to

[1:13:46] get past the another council meeting. So maybe a a 30-day request rather than a

[1:13:51] 90-day um several things together, but the the key

[1:13:56] point was to to build on the the history. There is a lot of history and a

[1:13:59] lot of research that's been put into this.

[1:14:02] » Yeah. 90-day may have been high 30-day something just to I something to to get

[1:14:07] us past the next meeting so that we don't feel like we had we we had to make

[1:14:12] a decision without us all being able to go through this and and check it out.

[1:14:18] » And remember the decision is a super majority would have to vote on that

[1:14:22] which means six council members have to agree not to move forward with the

[1:14:28] properties. So if there are two that don't then there's no there's no point

[1:14:34] in in delaying and or saying that we're going to extend. So

[1:14:40] that realize that that's what it takes. So we have the amendment of the agenda

[1:14:46] right now. Is there any more discussion on the amendment of the agenda?

[1:14:51] All right. We'll take a vote. All in favor?

[1:14:55] I >> I

[1:14:56] » Okay, so that's who three >> I

[1:15:01] » Okay opposed. >> No.

[1:15:04] » No. >> No.

[1:15:06] » Okay. So motion does not >> call off the name. So

[1:15:11] » the names of the yeses were >> Kirsten,

[1:15:14] » Mike, >> and okay.

[1:15:19] » Yeah. Then the others. >> Okay. So agenda is not amended.

[1:15:25] And that ends our discussion. Okay.

[1:15:32] » Um, next item on the uh list is the imagine Lyndon engagement schedule uh on

[1:15:38] OM advisors. Um, the uh thank you for everyone who came to the public uh

[1:15:44] engagement sessions on the 10th and the 24th. The survey is now closed. Um, that

[1:15:49] was closed on the 4th. Um, and now there's going through the process of

[1:15:53] setting up focus groups. Um, there's been some questions about that. I think

[1:15:57] currently the the thought process is to have one with people that are directly

[1:16:02] uh um uh next to the next to the property is going to be one focus group.

[1:16:07] One focus group will be uh people who do want uh who have already expressed

[1:16:12] interest in keeping it as green space. Another is to focus on a younger a

[1:16:17] younger audience. Um trying to keep people um 35 and younger on a group. Um

[1:16:23] and then just general stakeholders. I think the goal was to go with four

[1:16:27] stakeholder um or four focus groups at this time. Um that's what the focus

[1:16:33] groups the interviews are basically just um and I will send this to the steering

[1:16:38] committee too. um just basically interviews of stakeholders in the

[1:16:42] community that are commonly uh involved in the community or they own businesses

[1:16:47] or otherwise represented by the community. And then um those processes

[1:16:52] are happening next September and October and then the open house is planned for

[1:16:57] either November or um early December. But that concludes my report.

[1:17:05] Okay. All right. Standing committee reports, finance, administration,

[1:17:10] sustainability. Mr. Ho, >> thank you. Um, prior to the meeting, we

[1:17:14] had our first uh public budget workshop for next year. And for anyone that was

[1:17:19] not in attendance, if you'd like to learn more about the fiscal planning and

[1:17:23] budgeting of the burrow, feel free to attend any of the subsequent public

[1:17:28] budgeting sessions. So, um, we did cover it in the budget planning session, but

[1:17:35] sorry, I have it on my phone. Um, just real quick, the, uh, current funds as of

[1:17:40] the end of August, uh, general fund is at 1.4 million. Uh, general fund reserve

[1:17:46] also is at 1.3 million, but there is a transfer coming out of that uh, for the

[1:17:50] bond fund. So, just FYI. uh road funds at $5,000 with a reserve of about

[1:17:56] $768,000. Sewer funds at $886,000

[1:18:01] with a reserve of $879,000. Uh the bond fund is at $2,000, but as I

[1:18:08] previously mentioned, uh temporary transfer from the general fund reserve

[1:18:12] is going into that to uh bring that back up to the correct amounts or acceptable

[1:18:18] amounts. Um overall, uh total funds balance is at

[1:18:23] about $4.4 million. Uh overall, um I'll have

[1:18:28] the finance committee meets, uh prior to the next council meeting so we can have

[1:18:33] a more in-depth um kind of budget to actuals about if there's any line items

[1:18:37] or areas of concern or anything. But as reported at the last council meeting, um

[1:18:41] overall we are tracking well for the fiscal year. So um overall there's has

[1:18:47] not been anything of major concern uh financially. So I'll give a better

[1:18:51] report of that uh at the next meeting. Um the only other thing is the um public

[1:18:56] works collective bargaining agreement. Uh we are still waiting on uh well for

[1:19:01] right now it's the actuarial review of retirement plans but that's kind of been

[1:19:04] the big hold up on on this at this point is the retirement plan things pension

[1:19:08] versus uh other retirement plan options that we've been looking into. So, uh,

[1:19:13] still waiting on on the actuarial actuarial review for those retirement

[1:19:18] plans before we can continue to proceed. So, and I think it's good because I

[1:19:23] don't think we've ever mentioned it at a council meeting, which is the staff and

[1:19:29] the public works union are looking to move from a pension plan to a four I

[1:19:35] always get 401A and 40 457 plan >> versus the pension plan which is no

[1:19:43] longer sustainable for retirement because how it's funded and how it's um

[1:19:48] the cont they also cannot make any contribution. ions to it.

[1:19:51] » So the goal here is not only for the staff and for public works is to move to

[1:19:56] these plans where they can contribute on a pre-tax basis and they can get a match

[1:20:01] like your typical 401k plan is what their request is and also from staff.

[1:20:08] The pension plan has a vesting of eight years which is a long time and it's not

[1:20:12] a very good plan at least for public works. So part of that is to to get them

[1:20:18] a better retirement plan because they also don't feel like they can retire

[1:20:23] based on what the the pension plan currently offers.

[1:20:26] » So Jim and um some folks were using are looking into these additional options to

[1:20:33] be able to offer um for for the not only the staff but also public works. So

[1:20:38] that's been the hold up for it. And this was unfortunately something we had just

[1:20:42] barely begun whenever the um negotiations were starting. So

[1:20:46] unfortunately that they kind of happened concurrently which caused the delay. So

[1:20:50] yeah that's all I have for my report unless anybody has any questions.

[1:20:56] » Thank you Mr. Ho. Infrastructure and land use.

[1:21:02] » Sure. Well, first off, I can report that we have submitted a grant application,

[1:21:06] the municipal um assistance program MAP grant application

[1:21:11] um which is funding through the state. Um we have applied for funding $50,000

[1:21:17] in funding to uh for a comprehensive plan update um that was submitted on

[1:21:21] September 1st, made it in time for its deadline. Um we'll likely hear about

[1:21:26] that um early, you know, maybe January, February, early 2027. Um this is because

[1:21:32] our uh comprehensive plan crafting income thrive was passed back in 2017.

[1:21:37] Um is due for an update next year. We are supposed to update it per state

[1:21:41] every 10 years. Um the MAP grant application the MAP grant rather through

[1:21:47] the state um like a lot of state grants is going to require 50% match. Um

[1:21:53] imagine that's something that we'll continue talking about during the budget

[1:21:56] session. Um we applied for $50,000 um which would be a $50,000 match um

[1:22:03] from the bureau. We haven't yet set an actual we haven't committed to a

[1:22:07] particular budget for the comprehensive plan. We could pay a bit less. Um we

[1:22:11] could also pay that full amount. Some municipalities pay more. Some of the

[1:22:15] this is not something that's come come up in detail yet. We haven't started the

[1:22:18] budgeting for this project. But um one of the big kind of flexible moving um

[1:22:24] things that would affect the overall amount that we choose to spend on that

[1:22:28] is is really the amount of community engagement. There are requirements that

[1:22:33] we'll have to meet um for the comprehensive plan itself and then how

[1:22:37] much community engagement we want would affect how much uh fee we need from a

[1:22:42] consultant. So all things to discuss moving forward. Um but for now that is

[1:22:46] the a big update. we have submitted uh a grant application.

[1:22:51] Um questions on that before I go on? Um next one, DCNR getdf pool area

[1:22:58] improvement grants. Um this was two different grants we received both um

[1:23:05] both um we were able to to put them together to offset the amount of match

[1:23:10] that we need to put in for pool area improvement grants. These are things

[1:23:14] like the awning to the um >> pavilion

[1:23:17] » awning the the pavilion the awning to the concession stand the new pavilion uh

[1:23:22] new slide I know we sent off the old one on Labor Day um

[1:23:28] um some other accessibility uh improvements the rock climbing wall um

[1:23:32] that is the project that this refers to uh that went out to bid and those bids

[1:23:36] have been received and I don't have any further updates since that happened. Um,

[1:23:39] we did receive the bids and it's something we're going to have to talk at

[1:23:42] infrastructure committee. They were incredibly high.

[1:23:44] » Okay. >> Um, and so the lowest bid was 500.

[1:23:48] » So low bid was 529,000.

[1:23:53] » Yeah. >> And that's not including our work that

[1:23:56] needs to be done. >> They range from 529 to 1.1 million.

[1:24:01] » Yeah. So we need to uh reassess um basically um what parts of the project

[1:24:07] we really want to do. Uh um and what parts can be taken on by the by the

[1:24:14] public works for >> a million dollars for a slide in a

[1:24:17] pavilion. >> Yeah.

[1:24:19] » Get these numbers. >> Let's just put it this way. Um the

[1:24:23] contractor that submitted the bid like I >> it's he they've have been high on

[1:24:30] numerous projects. So >> um that would be something if we were

[1:24:33] about him. I would kind of toss that one to the side and not

[1:24:37] » tell me you don't want the job. Stop telling me you don't want the job.

[1:24:40] » We're not even building we're not even building a building interior here.

[1:24:46] » Just get a slide >> the existing slide.

[1:24:52] » We still have time to figure that out. >> There's I did

[1:24:56] » and if we and if we have don't have a slide for part of next year.

[1:25:02] Why did we jump to rip out a slide when we didn't have a

[1:25:06] » Well, the slide might be the guaranteed item that we have.

[1:25:08] » We haven't ripped it out yet. We did gone.

[1:25:12] » It's gone. >> I thought we were going to wait a little

[1:25:14] longer. >> No.

[1:25:15] » Farewell slide. >> Well, now we know we have to get a new

[1:25:20] one. So, makes a decision. >> I I I think there's options. Uh spoke

[1:25:26] with Jim about this. I think we can discuss it further in infrastructure. I

[1:25:29] think there are options to where that it can still um

[1:25:32] » there's a couple different avenues. >> Terrible thing.

[1:25:36] » All right. Well, that that's an update we've gotten in the bid.

[1:25:40] » Get new ones. >> Well, wasn't there something?

[1:25:42] » Does this mean we would have to go back out the bid?

[1:25:44] » Oh, yeah. It was >> Has it revised?

[1:25:48] » Potentially. There's multiple different ways we can

[1:25:52] kind of handle this. So, I think >> too much cross talk guys. I don't know

[1:25:55] where I don't know that you want to like >> I guess the answer is just we have more

[1:25:58] discussion on the slides so or on the polls then

[1:26:03] » and and the update the update for the community as of as of now is we've

[1:26:07] received the bids only just received them haven't looked through them yet and

[1:26:11] they are high so we'll have to consider how we move forward

[1:26:17] um and then the third item is also um kind of similar still ongoing the DCED

[1:26:22] $325,000 grant

[1:26:25] um that we received um also from the state. This one did not require a match.

[1:26:29] So, this was all just uh free money um for pedestrian and business district

[1:26:34] improvements around Craftton Circle and STS and um some improvements that we

[1:26:39] were looking at continuing up towards um Craftton Boulevard. This is going

[1:26:44] through design review. Um we're working with lighting consultants on samples and

[1:26:48] pricing and new pool installation. A lot of details to work through. um

[1:26:52] infrastructure committee has not met since the last council meeting, but

[1:26:55] we'll meet uh again before the next one.

[1:27:00] So, I don't have any other further updates on that other than that's still

[1:27:03] ongoing. >> I have one more question. Did we know

[1:27:07] that this contract was in jeopardy before we pulled the trigger to take

[1:27:13] that slide out? >> Well, um

[1:27:15] » what we're saying is the slide would be a guarantee as part the contract's not

[1:27:19] in jeopardy. It's we can go below these bids, but the slide would be something

[1:27:24] that we would pay for. We may not do some of the other items or public works

[1:27:28] may do them, right? >> So, it's it's still it's okay.

[1:27:36] » And as you said, the slide was not in a safe condition.

[1:27:39] » No, I mean, the slide had cracks. They we've been asked by public works to

[1:27:42] remove that slide for three years. So there were lots of concerns about that

[1:27:46] slide and now we have money to replace it and we plan to go out you know if we

[1:27:51] don't use this set of bids then we can go back out to bid but we'll have if we

[1:27:56] don't have the slide at the very beginning of next year we will have the

[1:27:59] slide next year. >> So

[1:28:03] » that was that was like the cornerstone of the project

[1:28:06] » to replace the slide and we got some other things with it but the slide was

[1:28:09] the focus. >> It's the focus of the project. Yeah.

[1:28:11] » Right. And you've got one that's 529. So, you know, you're talking about

[1:28:16] shaving maybe shaving 129 off of the whole project and there were a lot of

[1:28:21] other things in it. >> Yep.

[1:28:24] » And we can do some of the stuff in house, right?

[1:28:26] » So, Yep. >> So, by

[1:28:29] » Yes. So, you have to spend more money. >> 60 days to take action on whether you're

[1:28:34] going to accept low bid or object. So, >> so one more question. What was the

[1:28:40] benefit of taking the slide out yesterday and not waiting

[1:28:44] » because we don't >> because you were not you weren't going

[1:28:46] to use it again because it it was a liability to the burough.

[1:28:51] » Okay.

[1:28:56] All right. Um communication and recreation. Miss Bolen.

[1:28:59] » Thank you. Um okay. As we all know, Fall Fest is coming up in just a couple

[1:29:03] weeks. Before I go into detail, I first would like to put a motion out there to

[1:29:09] lift the burrow ordinance banning dogs in Craftton Park for one day, Saturday,

[1:29:13] September 26, to allow the record board to host a pet parade during Craftton's

[1:29:18] annual fall fest. >> So move.

[1:29:20] » Second. >> Mr. Ho, Miss Compello,

[1:29:23] » any questions or discussion? >> I have questions. It's a pet parade, so

[1:29:26] why are we lifting only banning dogs? Can other pets be in the parade?

[1:29:31] » Sure. Do we need >> dogs are the only things that are banned

[1:29:34] from parade? >> It is only dogs that are banned. Dogs

[1:29:36] are the only banned. >> But to clarify, any any pet is welcome

[1:29:40] in the pet parade and and other pets are already allowed in the park.

[1:29:44] » Is correct. >> Can I just add one thing?

[1:29:47] » Pets still have to be on their leash. >> That is also correct.

[1:29:50] » So if you're going to bring your cat, please make sure she's on her harness.

[1:29:53] » Correct. guinea pigs, your gerbles, whatever you got. Gerbles in the balls,

[1:29:59] wear a leash, >> but have to be on their leash.

[1:30:02] » And you got to pick up after them regardless whatever kind of animal they

[1:30:05] are. >> Okay.

[1:30:06] » Yeah. >> Did we Was there something in previous

[1:30:09] years where we provided or talked about providing the baggies to clean up

[1:30:14] afterwards? >> No, we haven't. But I mean, I've got a

[1:30:16] million that I'm happy to grab. >> I just couldn't remember if that was

[1:30:19] something we had done in the past. >> We did do that in the past.

[1:30:22] » They're inexpensive. I thought we did. I thought we had a a thing down there last

[1:30:27] time. >> Did we? Okay. I don't recall that, but

[1:30:29] Steve's got >> Yeah,

[1:30:30] » thanks to We'll be happy to provide, but you still have to pick up after your

[1:30:35] own. >> Yes,

[1:30:36] » we'll provide the bags. >> Yeah.

[1:30:37] » And we'll make a note to um Sorry to interrupt. The uh

[1:30:41] » uh some water dishes and things will be around, too. So, we'll make sure it's

[1:30:44] it's it's pet friendly for for those that are bringing that stuff down. We'll

[1:30:48] make a note to do that. Great. >> Any other discussion?

[1:30:53] All right. Hearing none. All in favor? >> I opposed.

[1:30:58] » Motion passes. >> Thank you. The board feels much better

[1:31:01] now. >> So, with that in mind, the pup parade uh

[1:31:04] registration will start at 12:15. By the way, Fall Fest again is Saturday,

[1:31:08] September 26th from noon to 6:00. The pup parade registration will start at

[1:31:13] 12:15 with the actual parade starting at 12:30. You are welcome to sign up online

[1:31:18] prior to uh Fall Fest. And we actually would prefer you do that just so we have

[1:31:23] an idea of how many animals would you expect. Of course, all the money, I

[1:31:26] believe it's $10 for registration and all that money will go to charity. Every

[1:31:31] penny. So, we still have to figure out which charity. There are so many good

[1:31:34] ones to choose from. We just are having a hard time deciding, but we will pick

[1:31:38] one. I promise. After the pup parade, we have a new

[1:31:43] event this year, the little pumpkin baby crawl contest. So, if you have a little

[1:31:48] one still in their crawling stage, they are welcome to partake. Registration is

[1:31:52] at 12:45 with a 1:00 crawl. And again, there'll be little um prizes given away

[1:31:58] to our winners. So, but they have to be crawling, no running, no whatever. So,

[1:32:04] um from there, music, we have Mingo Creek. They're starting to play at 2:00.

[1:32:09] And we have a cornhole tournament that will start at 3:00. Again, you can sign

[1:32:13] up online beforehand for the cornhole tournament. Um, but we will also accept

[1:32:18] registration that day as well. But again, if at all possible, we like

[1:32:21] beforehand so we can get an idea and maybe create a bracket and get things

[1:32:25] moving. Um, at the moment, we have five with a

[1:32:30] possibly six food trucks that are coming. Uh, we also have three breweries

[1:32:34] with a possible or two breweries with a possible third. We did confirm the third

[1:32:38] one. So, we have three breweries coming. So, now we truly have a beer garden. So,

[1:32:43] thank you to everybody who is coming. Um, activities will include axe

[1:32:48] throwing, horse and pony rides, arcade games from our church arcade person.

[1:32:54] Thank you, Mike. Um, we're going to have pumpkin painting, inflatable obstacle

[1:32:58] course, and a lot more. Mini golf will also be open throughout the duration of

[1:33:02] golf fest, so go play around or two. Um, and again, you can go to the burough

[1:33:08] website to register for the parade, the baby crawl, or the tournament. also to

[1:33:13] volunteer and we're always looking for volunteers even just an hour of your

[1:33:16] time. Just go to uh the burough website and go to the community events page and

[1:33:22] you can sign up for any of those options.

[1:33:25] Any questions on call fest. Oh, we also have over 20 vendors coming

[1:33:30] too. I forgot to mention that. So, got a lot of crafts and things to purchase.

[1:33:34] » Can I say one more thing? >> Eric, can I say one more thing, please?

[1:33:37] » Just because you mentioned the crafts, I would encourage people to have cash on

[1:33:40] hand. I know we live in a uh touch your phone app world, but um I think some

[1:33:46] vendors probably will be appreciating cash because you know, who knows what

[1:33:50] service might be like in the park, too. So, I think having some cash on hand

[1:33:53] might not be a bad idea, especially for some of the local craft vendors.

[1:33:58] » And there will be shade tree booth. >> Yeah. Um bird tree bird

[1:34:03] » bird town booth >> be a community garden. And the uh uh

[1:34:07] police department will have their command center at the entrance as well.

[1:34:11] » Yep. All kinds of >> And they and they're going to be doing

[1:34:15] some of the same stuff that they did at uh Fourth of July

[1:34:18] » with no rain. Hopefully >> hopefully no rain.

[1:34:21] » I know. >> We've been lucky the last couple years

[1:34:23] that continues. >> Yeah.

[1:34:26] » So on that note, um if there are no questions, another um event that's

[1:34:31] coming up that's not on the agenda. I apologize. Saturday, October 3rd, Shade

[1:34:35] Tree is having a native plant seed swap and an Ottabon Society informational

[1:34:41] bird walk. So, that's going to happen in the park. The the seed swap is going to

[1:34:46] happen from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. And the Ottabon uhformational walk will

[1:34:51] happen from 12:00 to 2. So, if anybody's interested, come on down.

[1:34:54] » You said November 3rd. >> Nove October 3rd.

[1:34:56] » I'm sorry. >> November 3rd was a week ago.

[1:35:00] » Okay. Or no, November. What is time, Aaron? Who knows? My

[1:35:06] apologies, everybody. >> You're like sometime

[1:35:12] walk. >> All right. Next up is our 21 and over

[1:35:15] Halloween mini golf. That's happening on Saturday, October 17th from 7 to 10:00.

[1:35:20] It is just 21 and over. So, this is one Saturday that we ask you to please leave

[1:35:26] your kiddos at home. Um, it is $10 per person. Um it's Bob and we will have the

[1:35:32] Pittsburgh crepe food truck there. They offer sweet crepes, savory crepes, but

[1:35:36] then they also have um chicken tenders, fries, gyros, things like that. They

[1:35:40] have a whole mess of good things to try. I've had them before that. It's a really

[1:35:45] good food truck in my opinion. So come on down, have some fun. We'll have some

[1:35:48] other entertainment on hand as well. Again, you can go to to the Graftonboro

[1:35:52] website to buy your ticket in advance and you can also just show up and pay at

[1:35:57] that time as well. questions on that.

[1:36:02] We also have our Halloween Eve extravaganza on Friday, October 30th at

[1:36:07] the mini golf. It's a time to bring the little ones for a not so scary round of

[1:36:13] mini golf um before the sun goes down. Costumes are definitely encouraged and

[1:36:18] candy will be handed out and a few other things. Um we will still have our

[1:36:22] regular mini golf hours at 7:00 to 9 that night as well.

[1:36:27] Next up would be our holiday free market. That's going to happen on

[1:36:30] Saturday, November 21st. Um, you can drop off your items starting at 8:00

[1:36:36] a.m. The market itself will run from 9 to 1. We are also going to have Friday

[1:36:41] evening drop off hours from 6:00 to 8:00. It's all happening over here in

[1:36:45] the community center. So, um, all the items that are not taken by the end of

[1:36:51] day will be donated. Things that we are allowing are gently used housewares,

[1:36:56] clothing, home decor, shoes, small electronics, pet products, small

[1:37:02] appliances, sports gear, books, DVDs, CDs, seasonal holiday items, tools,

[1:37:07] toys, games, and craft supplies. Some things that we are not taking, and

[1:37:12] neither one of these are full lists. You know, we'll go with discretion here

[1:37:16] because you can never really assume what people are going to bring. No food.

[1:37:20] Please, if you have any food to donate, please donate it to our food bank. Uh,

[1:37:24] no weapons or ammunition. Can't believe I have to say this, but I do. No worn

[1:37:28] underwear, no wor under clothing. Nothing damaged or unusable, and no

[1:37:35] large furniture. If it doesn't fit in the elevator or in the stairwell, it is

[1:37:39] not welcome. All right. Again, we still have a little more um discretion when

[1:37:44] you show up with your items, but you also don't have to bring items to

[1:37:48] partake. If you just want to come see what's available, just come see what's

[1:37:51] available. See what you have. Maybe one man's trash is another man's treasure.

[1:37:55] So, come check it out. Uh after that, we have our craft and

[1:38:00] holiday celebration that's going to happen on Saturday, December 5th. We're

[1:38:04] still working out the details on there, but what I can tell you at the moment is

[1:38:07] is moving to the circle in front of the Burough Building. We're going to close

[1:38:11] down Stocks Avenue for a couple hours from 4 to 8, I believe. Um, we're going

[1:38:17] to have our, you know, the good ones, Santa, Mrs. Claus. We're going to have

[1:38:20] some vendors. We'll have a popup Christmas event at the Circle Inn. And a

[1:38:24] lot more to come. We're still banging out the details. So, as I get them, I

[1:38:28] will share.

[1:38:32] That same weekend on Sunday, December 6th, from 1 to 6, it looks like the

[1:38:36] holiday house tour is a go. Thank you to everybody who has graciously donated

[1:38:41] their homes. We're still looking for a couple more. Um, so hopefully we can get

[1:38:44] a few more, but it does look like we have enough that it is a go. Um, details

[1:38:48] to come, but we will start selling tickets at FallFest. We will have online

[1:38:53] ticket purchasing only at Fall Fest. We will have um physical tickets later on

[1:38:59] for sale at the library in the Burough Building, but for right now, starting at

[1:39:03] Fall Fest, we will have a Q code that you can use to buy them online.

[1:39:09] questions on any of those events. All right, our ongoing events, mini golf

[1:39:15] is still ongoing now through October every Friday and Saturday from 7 to 9:00

[1:39:20] p.m. It is $2 a round. And again, you can take your ticket from golf down to

[1:39:27] our ice cream store to get a free treat. Did you have something in your hand?

[1:39:30] » I'm going to confirm, but I do not I think mini golf is done. I think they

[1:39:34] Yes, they use the month of September. I meant they use the month of September to

[1:39:38] get it ready >> for Halloween.

[1:39:41] » So, it's closed. Yes. >> I apologize everybody.

[1:39:44] » Yeah, I have it on there. >> I checked. I thought about that earlier

[1:39:47] tonight. Yeah. >> All right. So, I lied.

[1:39:49] » No more mini golf. >> Get ready for October.

[1:39:51] » Get ready for October. >> All right. Then, yoga in the park. That

[1:39:54] is continuing on Saturdays through September. It's 10 o'clock in the park.

[1:39:59] It is free to anybody who wishes to come. Um,

[1:40:04] and we have I can't even stress how many other events we have going on every

[1:40:08] month in our neighborhood. So, please just go to our events calendar on

[1:40:12] craftenboroough.gov and see the library has a million things going on. Shade,

[1:40:16] there's so many things going on that I would take up four hours just to say.

[1:40:20] So, please go to our events calendar and see what's going on. And again, as

[1:40:24] always, we could use volunteers. So, please go to the website and give us an

[1:40:28] hour of your time. We would appreciate it.

[1:40:31] Uh, and last up, our newsletter is in the works and we plan to have it

[1:40:36] distributed or distributed, excuse me, in early to mid October. So, unless

[1:40:41] there's any questions, that concludes my report.

[1:40:44] » Thank you, Miss Benbacher. Board commission recruiting. Miss

[1:40:47] » Yeah, I'll make mine short and sweet. Um, currently we have a rec board

[1:40:52] position that, uh, the term expires at the end of September. So, just thinking

[1:40:55] about everything Aaron just said, there's so much going on. Um, so if

[1:40:59] you're interested, you can check out the description for that on our website. Um,

[1:41:03] backboards commissions. Um, and then civil service commission. We have two

[1:41:08] alternate seats available. They've been available for a while. One, uh, expires

[1:41:12] on February 1st, 2029, and the other is May 20th, 2032. Um, and after

[1:41:20] like those two kind of technically three, we'll have no more for the rest

[1:41:25] of the year, but there's only three months left in this year. So,

[1:41:29] » there you have it. Short and breezy. >> Thank you, Miss McCoick. Um, the COG,

[1:41:35] Mr. Waznjak. >> Okay. So, the next COG meeting is next

[1:41:38] Thursday, September 17th, and it's at Crescent Township. So, uh, we're done

[1:41:43] with our summer break. So, I will be getting information. Typically, we get

[1:41:47] it Friday before the meeting and I will post it on a one drive.

[1:41:54] » Thank you. All right, our community announcements. Our next council meeting

[1:41:58] is Thursday, September 24th at 7 and the budget workshop an hour before at 6. Um,

[1:42:05] we do have employment opportunities. We have the community and economic

[1:42:08] development director position and also our substitute part-time crossing guard

[1:42:11] for Craftton Elementary. And those positions you can apply online on the

[1:42:16] crafting website. And then Fall Fest, of course, as a

[1:42:19] reminder, is Saturday, September 26 from 12 to 6 in the park. All the things that

[1:42:25] um Aaron had mentioned are all on the agenda here.

[1:42:29] All right. Public comment. At this time, citizens may address the Craftton

[1:42:33] Burough Council on any issue. Only residents and taxpayers of the Burough

[1:42:37] of Craftton will be permitted to address the council. Speakers will be permitted

[1:42:41] to speak for a maximum of three minutes. Groups of people will be required to

[1:42:45] designate a spokesperson to represent them before the council who may speak

[1:42:49] for a maximum of 5 minutes. Councilors the option to respond or not at the end

[1:42:54] of the address. The solicitor is our assigned timekeeper. Please state your

[1:42:58] name and physical address for the record. So, anybody here, you would just

[1:43:02] raise your hand if you'd want to speak. Sure.

[1:43:06] » Yeah, you come over to the mic right there.

[1:43:12] My name is Diane Hedges. >> Diane Hedges. I live 21 Warren Street. I

[1:43:17] I wanted to talk to you about the pool. The pavilion we all think is a horrible

[1:43:22] idea because that area I've been down there for 40 years with kids and

[1:43:26] grandkids. And that's where the kids play.

[1:43:29] » And if you put a pavilion there, it's going to take all the space away. And

[1:43:33] they were talking about putting rain barrels at the bottom, which is going to

[1:43:36] draw mosquitoes. So there's going to be a lot of bites

[1:43:39] over there and it could draw bees also. So I think it's a really bad idea. They

[1:43:43] should just leave that and that would save you so much money. And then the

[1:43:46] slide should stay where it's at because if you take away the space where all the

[1:43:51] women come and lay out in the sun, all those chairs you're running every day

[1:43:55] for $2. So that's going to take all that money away from the pool. And a lot of

[1:44:01] those people just won't come anymore if they don't have a place to lay. They

[1:44:04] don't want to lay in the grass. And let me see what else I have.

[1:44:11] I mean, the the awning is a good idea for the kids for the, you know,

[1:44:15] concession stand, but I I think you could save so much money by just keeping

[1:44:19] the putting a new slide where it's at, getting rid of the pavilion, leaving the

[1:44:24] chairs there. You could use the money for new chairs to rent out. That would

[1:44:29] be a good idea. And then I don't understand why we're

[1:44:33] having a beer garden and axe throwing on the same day. No, just

[1:44:38] » we like to keep things interesting. Yeah,

[1:44:41] » they will not be near each other. >> Okay. Sorry. No, we're not supposed to

[1:44:43] talk. Sorry. And then the um as far as the the land that has always been for

[1:44:50] the kids where they play football, cheerleading,

[1:44:53] baseball over there and it would be so sad to take that away and put, you know,

[1:44:58] housing or something there. I think you should keep it, you know, as a park or

[1:45:03] you could make a ice skating rink and rent it out for hockey. I think that

[1:45:08] would be a really good idea and maybe put the money into a new hot putt

[1:45:13] course. make it bigger so people would come to it. I think it's just too small.

[1:45:16] You can't even see it there. Maybe put a um like a tennis court or a pickle ball

[1:45:23] court. You could do the same with the same space. Just put different lines

[1:45:26] there and a small playground. So the moms could have the kids at the

[1:45:30] playground where they're playing tennis or whatever.

[1:45:33] You could go all the way down and then on the outside make like a running

[1:45:37] course, you know, with like a soft area to run around the outside of it. There's

[1:45:44] a lot you can do with that area. That's all. Thank you.

[1:45:47] » Thank you. >> All right. So, we have the feed. I I

[1:45:51] guess it's a lot of the feedback on the pool pavilion or the pavilion, the rain

[1:45:55] barrels, um the slide. So, obviously, we'll be discussing it during the

[1:46:00] infrastructure meeting. >> Yeah. I just mentioned that those all

[1:46:03] those recommendations were from the pool manager and people were at the pool. Uh

[1:46:07] and the pavilion would need to go there because of uh ADA compliance um to allow

[1:46:13] for it to be flat. They also wanted the um slide to be there so that people

[1:46:18] don't have to go all the way around the pool to get back on the slide. This will

[1:46:21] allow people to quickly access the slide. That was a recommendation of a

[1:46:24] pool manager. >> Okay.

[1:46:26] » Okay. >> Yep. Um then we had the lending comments

[1:46:30] which that's a long long process. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:46:34] » Yeah, I was going to say for for Lyndon I would just make sure you also uh make

[1:46:37] yourself heard at the school board meetings because again we uh are just

[1:46:42] one party involved in all of this. So >> anybody else?

[1:46:56] Thank you. Crystal Beam, 57 Belvadier Street. Um when the budget meetings or

[1:47:02] the next one takes place, I'd like to recommend consideration for the

[1:47:06] completion of Belvadier Street. Um as it was in initially uh intended to be

[1:47:12] completed back in 2022 during the Phil Labasser days. Um they put the header in

[1:47:18] the other day. I drove home at midnight last night to flooding on both sides of

[1:47:22] the street. Um, I pointed this out to Gateway engineers. Um, the heavy

[1:47:28] equipment has further damaged the brick. Um, it looks like a roller coaster and

[1:47:34] the water is pulling directly in front of my house. I cannot exit my car, um,

[1:47:38] the side of my house. Um, it was filled all the way up to the curb. So, I'd like

[1:47:43] that addressed. I don't know if there were any adjacent studies that were done

[1:47:47] um with the infrastructure committee, but um where the brick meets the

[1:47:52] pavement, there's a large hump in the middle. Um the water is not going to

[1:47:56] reach Elco um where the brick currently is. It's just pulling. It's flooding and

[1:48:02] it's not going to get over the hump and down to the um the grate. So, I'd like

[1:48:09] that looked at. I talked to Jim about it in front of my home. I know Jim said

[1:48:13] that they have no intention of fixing the curb that I had addressed in front

[1:48:19] of my home. He said that, you know, nope, I can't do it for you. I can't do

[1:48:23] any favors. I understand that. I'd like the infrastructure committee to at least

[1:48:28] address Belvadier Street, take a look at it. I was disappointed when Gateway

[1:48:32] engineers came out and they were going to pull they were going to pour for a

[1:48:36] curb. Um, the definition of a curb is not pouring a facade. my husband could

[1:48:42] have kicked it with his boots. It was a very small section that they were trying

[1:48:46] to daisy chain with an old existing curb. Um I called Jim. I asked Jim to

[1:48:52] come out and Jim did. Uh the engineer um came out. I think due diligence was a

[1:48:58] big word I heard earlier this evening. I think Gateway Engineer, they've been

[1:49:02] with us a long time. I've been this in this community for 22 years. I think

[1:49:06] that, you know, we should be reviewing our engineering companies every other

[1:49:10] year, every two years. Um, I was very disappointed that they were going to

[1:49:14] pour a curb in front of my house. I think an adjacent study would have been

[1:49:18] um, feasible. Um, I'm very sad and very disappointed. I feel that my home um, it

[1:49:24] just looks terrible. The header looks terrible. And I'm not complaining about

[1:49:28] Morante. I think they were fantastic. They were very considerate everywhere

[1:49:32] they went. I gave them bottles of water. Um, I think that the infrastructure

[1:49:37] committee did my home due diligence because all of this mess is directly in

[1:49:42] front of my house. So, um, one other thing, um, as far as the

[1:49:48] bricks, um, I do want to say that there's going to be some public works

[1:49:51] monies that you're going to have to pay out with daily rates. A dollar a brick,

[1:49:55] maybe think about that because that's opportunity cost. They could be out

[1:49:58] pulling weeds around the police station and elsewhere in the community where

[1:50:02] they're overgrown. Um, the bricks on Krenel, I think John, you

[1:50:08] addressed that earlier. They are crumbling. It's kind of sad to see that.

[1:50:12] Um, I came here with a lot of things to say.

[1:50:16] I'm not really prepared because I kind of just kind of rushed in here. Um,

[1:50:23] again, in front of my house, I think gateway engineers did us a disservice.

[1:50:27] They told me no. Jim told me no. Um the infrastructure committee, why did

[1:50:33] you stop? That is going to be my question. Why did you decide to stop

[1:50:38] short of somebody's driveway and stop at my curb?

[1:50:42] » Thanks, Crystal. All right. So, we have

[1:50:47] the recommendation to consider the completion of Belvador Street for the

[1:50:51] budget. So, that's a recommendation as we go through this. um the addressing

[1:50:56] the hump I guess where the brick meets the asphalt on Belvadier and then um the

[1:51:04] curb the curb or the water drainage and and all those things if you want to

[1:51:08] address those >> the hump in the road like was out there

[1:51:13] we saw it and we'll compare it with you know pre-construction photos that's

[1:51:17] again that's a decision on the bureau's behalf if you would want to

[1:51:24] extends. >> Oh, no. I I think it was where they met

[1:51:28] where the asphallo is now meeting the brick.

[1:51:31] » Talking about there's a concrete header. Um again, I we have not made it over to

[1:51:36] Beladier for the punch list. So, that is still on the list. So, um we will be

[1:51:41] getting over there to to do that and address um any concerns that are over

[1:51:46] there that we can if we see significant damage to the brick then due to

[1:51:51] equipment you that would be get added to the punch list for them to to repair.

[1:51:57] So, I'd like to add too that when we did go over amarante was not doing what they

[1:52:01] were supposed to be doing in certain cases. um they weren't laying concrete

[1:52:04] the way they were supposed to be laying and they weren't laying the curb the way

[1:52:07] they were supposed to be laying it which we did stop them um and they did go back

[1:52:12] and put it in correctly. >> So

[1:52:15] » So it was was it gateway or because did we have gateway engineers there?

[1:52:20] » Well, we have inspectors but sometimes they're on multiple jobs

[1:52:24] » and uh and they happen to not be at that at that time at that very at that very

[1:52:29] moment. So yeah. >> So that would be the question of if they

[1:52:33] know how to pour concrete, why why did they not pour it correctly?

[1:52:40] » Great questions. >> It's a great question. Um

[1:52:43] » okay, >> one of the areas um one of the sidewalk

[1:52:46] pads that was prepared. They they did not have the the

[1:52:50] mesh in and they were that was discussed. Um I was at another part of

[1:52:55] the project when I got asked by a crew member. Um, and

[1:53:00] then that's when I I had went over um another section of sidewalk that they

[1:53:06] were going to pour. It wasn't prepped properly per the

[1:53:10] contract. Um, so we did stop them from doing that as well to make sure. Um, did

[1:53:16] have a discussion with the concrete foreman um, who was on another part of

[1:53:21] the project, you know, stating that it was unacceptable. So, we did stop them

[1:53:26] from pouring those and making sure that it was done. Yeah,

[1:53:30] » correctly. >> I'm going to have to step in and just

[1:53:33] say that that there there are issues with the contractor that we've been

[1:53:37] dealing with under the contract and there's potential

[1:53:41] uh litigation that could occur. So, I don't think we should be working this

[1:53:46] during the public meeting. If you would like to talk to the resident afterwards,

[1:53:50] etc., that's fine. But I I I got to tell you not to not to do this on the mics

[1:53:55] any longer. >> Yeah.

[1:53:56] » Okay. Okay. Can I um speak to I think this is

[1:54:02] separate. You can inform me the comment about the boundaries of the project and

[1:54:06] how that was set. >> Um certainly understand the frustration

[1:54:11] there and I know we spoke about this one day out out walking. Um

[1:54:17] and and so you know the infrastructure committee was was not

[1:54:22] was not the sole deciding factor there when it comes to projects of that size

[1:54:26] and scale. you know, we reviewed it and spent a lot of time developing um what

[1:54:31] the alternatives were and what the options were and the costings were, but

[1:54:34] the decisions went to council and it w went through multiple rounds of review

[1:54:39] and refinement and discussion and and ultimately um this did come down to how

[1:54:44] much money we were we had. Um I I certainly share the frustration. I

[1:54:50] think a lot of us do. We would love to have done more and we would love to have

[1:54:53] done the whole street. that was something that uh I know had come up um

[1:54:57] even years before that and and there's a lot of interest in doing that on

[1:55:00] Belvadier Street and in this particular case we did have to focus on the sewer

[1:55:06] separation project and we had um a lot that we wanted to get done and the costs

[1:55:12] were very high and it did go through multiple rounds of review trying to

[1:55:16] figure out um amidst all of council um how how we could get the necessary

[1:55:23] repairs to the sewer done um and still make it fit into our budget. And that

[1:55:27] was that was basically the reason why the the boundaries were set as they

[1:55:31] were. Um >> yeah, and I think from when I started to

[1:55:36] get involved on council, the stop was prior right in the middle of Belvadier.

[1:55:41] It was not the whole street. And I was told that there's we have this is where

[1:55:47] we're stopping based on the grant money and everything else. So I've never heard

[1:55:51] of it going past there. It could have been the discussions prior to that, but

[1:55:55] I've never heard it going past that point.

[1:55:58] » That is where the extent of the sewer separation project was, which is where

[1:56:03] the extent of the the the funding that we got from Alcasan

[1:56:07] ended. So, had we extended it further, we would not have

[1:56:11] been able to get the same match money. Um I I do recall conversations about

[1:56:16] trying to extend it further and those conversations did not get very far

[1:56:19] because we could not afford we couldn't afford it.

[1:56:25] » Okay. So the request too was as we consider our paving budget for next year

[1:56:30] is to to consider Belvadier Street as part of that. Um

[1:56:36] yeah then oh the comment about public works um working on the bricks the

[1:56:41] separation of the bricks I I I think we had said that frier

[1:56:47] whoever was the ones that were coming to >> separate the bricks yeah it's not public

[1:56:52] » I think her point was just you know if we were to start having public works go

[1:56:55] down there to sort bricks that's opportunity cost where they aren't uh

[1:57:00] » trimming the trimming the plants on um you know on that corner that was

[1:57:06] brought up earlier by the school etc. So >> all right those were all them um anybody

[1:57:13] else? Linda

[1:57:23] » Linda Wniaak 1773 bar um what's the format going to be for the crafted

[1:57:30] athletic field open houses the November December. Is that a

[1:57:37] is that a presentation to us about what's going to be done or are we still

[1:57:43] in a talk back and forth mode? Um, also when will the final decision be

[1:57:52] made regarding the disposition of the field? I've heard the end of the year.

[1:57:56] That's when it was going to be finished. Um, some people alluded to it might be

[1:58:00] early next year, but I'd like to know a little bit more closely what the date

[1:58:04] would be. And also, um, what's the funding ratio for each of our pension

[1:58:09] plans right now? Um, especially since we'll be moving to a new plan

[1:58:14] hypothetically or possibly. Um, but I'd like to know what that ratio is.

[1:58:22] » All right. Um, the format for the open house

[1:58:27] Um, I don't think we have a we don't have a we don't have knowledge of what

[1:58:31] the format will be at this time. Um, most likely it's still a listening

[1:58:35] session. So, there's no it's not going to be um something that's just going to

[1:58:40] be presented as like this is a solution. It's just going to be what we've heard

[1:58:43] and presenting back what we've heard is my understanding. Um um but I don't

[1:58:48] there's not going to be a um there's not going to be a this is what is happening.

[1:58:54] Um and that is the choice and when that happens I think it's the choice of

[1:58:57] council beyond that >> and that'll still be led by the

[1:59:01] comprehend

[1:59:08] and their scope is intended to finish by the end of December but they are not

[1:59:12] responsible for choosing what happens with that site. They are only

[1:59:14] responsible for leading this process of listening and gathering community ideas

[1:59:19] and then putting together a report um that combines what they heard and gives

[1:59:24] us um you know some some different uh summaries of what was heard and some of

[1:59:30] the top ideas and trends that were heard and combines that also with a little bit

[1:59:33] of market analysis of what is what is viable. But um they they are that is

[1:59:39] their entire scope. They are not deciding um they will finish their scope

[1:59:43] roughly end of this year but they are not making any decisions um and no no

[1:59:48] land sale will happen um as a part of that.

[1:59:53] It is informative for us and and more importantly informative for the school

[1:59:58] district since they own the largest part of the property.

[2:00:03] And um the final or the funding ratio for the pension plans

[2:00:08] » uh both of the pension plans are funded over 100%. Um so

[2:00:13] » they're overfunded at this point. >> Yep.

[2:00:15] » Um Linda, that's Yeah. >> Did I use my three minutes?

[2:00:19] » Doesn't matter. Yeah, we stopped. >> Three minutes is

[2:00:23] » we're not having Q&A. So >> And yeah. And then as far as the timing

[2:00:28] for Lynden, right, like you had said, "Oh, end of year was kind of their

[2:00:32] timeline for engaging with us in the community and then giving us some

[2:00:36] artifacts and analysis to share with the school board and um but ultimately like

[2:00:42] the school board owns um like the largest parcel there and

[2:00:48] it's kind of the you know it's a private sale. They could they could go sell that

[2:00:52] tomorrow and not wait on us if they felt like it. Um obviously we're working

[2:00:57] pretty hard and we have uh you know Mr. Shrivever and other folks showing up to

[2:01:02] meetings uh and engaging. So I I would doubt that uh anything would happen

[2:01:08] before then. But um you know I don't know that we have much control over the

[2:01:12] timing beyond you know what we're trying to do for

[2:01:15] input sessions.

[2:01:19] » Correct. So, we're clarifying that p the funding is 100% or better for pension.

[2:01:25] » Yes. Yep. Um I think uh I think um if the last time I looked, the last report

[2:01:33] I remember 108 was for the um police pens and pan pension plan and 118 was

[2:01:40] the number for the uh but again that's the last time I looked. Not not um

[2:01:45] confirming that. I'd have to check the numbers there. Yep. Okay.

[2:01:49] All right. Anybody else? >> Can I ask another question?

[2:01:53] » Did I already use mine? >> I just had another question.

[2:01:58] » No, you used your time. >> I didn't

[2:02:02] 21 Warren Street. >> No. Yeah, we only let people talk on

[2:02:05] time. >> Oh, I didn't.

[2:02:07] » You can ask anybody question after the meeting.

[2:02:16] any Well, I guess it's just Ben or >> Ken anybody

[2:02:21] online? Okay. Nope. Okay. All right. It is 9:03. Meeting adjourned. Thank you.

Council Meeting - September 10, 2026

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