[6:32] 6 p.m june 9th 2022 we have all commissioners

[6:37] present together with charles red city manager

[6:41] bobby pickens our city attorney and then we have captain ussr with the

[6:47] sheriff's department pam taylor code enforcement and

[6:51] christina with our cra she's a cra director everybody's here tonight

[6:56] welcome thank you for being here commissioner banks you want to go ahead

[7:00] and meet us and anybody stand please

[7:05] father once again we come before we give you thanks as we give you praise after

[7:09] this commandment tonight father we thank you for our life and our health

[7:13] and strength watch overs and keep us safe

[7:17] while we're doing the city business great that you bless our community each

[7:21] commissioner and yours in jesus name amen amen

[7:36] [Music]

[7:40] thank you

[7:45] we have a couple of announcements um [Music]

[7:49] this saturday from two to four the um ccdc has a

[7:57] that expert that is coming to town commissioner burton you want to just

[8:03] mention what she's going to be giving the talk on from two to

[8:11] and how four actually help the environment community and um

[8:15] conservation uh it's it's pretty

[8:19] we talked about it it's very informative it's for all ages too by the way

[8:26] [Music]

[8:38] her name is uh sherry is it clark she's the uh president of the

[8:44] conservative right i would say i want to say

[8:47] yeah conservancy thank you uh of uh so

[8:52] hopefully and that's going to be over at the

[8:55] historic um society's building

[8:58] in the former middle school i believe you can go in the back door

[9:03] you can go in the back parking lot

[9:07] i don't know if any of you have ever gone to gainesville

[9:10] and witnessed they have two big bat houses there but they are fascinating

[9:15] i avoid them because they do get caught in my hair

[9:19] um you know it's one of those

[9:22] things you have to be careful of but looking forward to that on saturday this

[9:27] saturday we've also got juneteenth coming up and

[9:31] uh angel duke is going to be here she's going to give us a presentation on that

[9:35] and that's going to be the following saturday

[9:38] and that's going to be an evil lions park

[9:41] i'm sorry saturday sunday and then of course our farmers market i

[9:47] don't know how many of you have been to our farmers and um

[9:50] art market but we have it on the fourth saturday of every month we've had our

[9:56] second one with a tremendous turnout and that is all going to be on the 25th

[10:04] and that's going to be from nine in the morning until two

[10:08] that same day busy day in crescent city we've got red white and boone

[10:12] which is hosted by the yacht club of course they get a lot of sponsors

[10:16] including our cra for that um

[10:20] and that's going to be our fireworks in celebration of the fourth of july here

[10:24] in crescent city so please be sure to come out for that i know they're going

[10:28] to have the street clothes from park and uh there'll be a lot of vendors and

[10:34] hopefully some food trucks down there that afternoon and evening

[10:38] to um for those that come out and then this saturday on sunday i

[10:43] apologize at crescent city kennel they're going to be hosting the shots

[10:48] for the animals from 12 to 2. so anybody that needs shots

[10:54] they can come out and

[10:57] i want to say last weekend we had a lot going on in crescent city

[11:01] but last weekend we had our cops kids and kayaks

[11:05] um hosted by the sheriff's department tremendous amount of work goes into that

[11:10] it's all volunteer and

[11:13] we had a great turnout um i believe everybody enjoyed once again the weather

[11:19] held out and uh very very thankful for that

[11:23] so it was a great turnout and we're going to work on some things from next

[11:27] year and hopefully being able to provide the children some free meals so we've

[11:31] got some people that have stepped up and said they wanted to be sponsors and cook

[11:35] for the children so the children can have a free meal

[11:38] but it was a great day and then i want to personally think

[11:42] we had um 13

[11:45] a national honor society 16 16 total

[11:49] okay 16 total national honor society uh high schoolers that came in and they

[11:55] were two days here in town they worked um

[11:58] tuesday and wednesday on tuesday they pressure washed the sidewalks some of

[12:03] the sidewalks and the uh gazebo over evil lions park

[12:08] double worked here in the office and then some of them painted finished

[12:12] painting the wall over at dexter park the next day they came in and they

[12:18] worked with both karen and christina working on things here in the office and

[12:23] putting some boxes away and moving some things back and forth so it was a

[12:27] tremendous help and we are most appreciative always

[12:31] appreciated for that okay

[12:33] and i think with that um

[12:37] we're going to go ahead and get started so let's start with um

[12:43] go to your agenda we've got approval of the minutes

[12:49] got the approval of may 10 2022 those are our boat rv trailer

[12:54] workshop minutes motion

[13:00] okay we have a motion and we have a second do we have any discussion

[13:15] i would like to insert responding to commissioner vito's question

[13:20] um because what went on there was something that i initiated so thank you

[13:26] again thank you for bringing that to our

[13:28] attention thank you very much yes page three uh third paragraph put

[13:35] down that go for the words body picking just put the words responding to

[13:38] commissioner to do this question [Music]

[13:42] okay karen did you get that changed

[13:45] okay so we have a change do you we accept that in your emotion i do

[13:50] with changes yes okay so we have any other changes

[13:53] any other comments hearing none we have a motion we have a

[13:57] second all in favor say aye okay motion carries

[14:03] let's go to may 12 2022 we have a branding workshop

[14:07] minutes line of motion

[14:10] [Music] we have a motion in a second do we have

[14:13] any discussion okay

[14:17] all in favor say aye all right okay

[14:22] may 12 same day 2022 special events workshop

[14:27] we have a motion nice motion in a second any discussion

[14:34] all in favor say aye [Music]

[14:40] may 12 2022 our regular commission meeting and our cra meeting those are

[14:45] those minutes do i have a motion all right

[14:49] okay we have a second do we have any

[14:52] discussions

[14:55] seeing no discussion all in favor say hi [Music]

[15:02] may 31st 2022 commission joint meeting and that was with our concerned citizens

[15:07] of south putnam so do we have a motion

[15:12] we have a motion and a second any discussion

[15:17] all in favor say aye

[15:22] at that time we're going to go into and let's um we've got some

[15:26] our recognition proclamations and presentation uh

[15:31] angel duke i believe is going to speak to us

[15:34] about juneteenth give us an update on that so angel if you want to come

[15:39] forward and then after that i've got a special guest here that i would also

[15:43] like to recognize i don't think amen it is

[15:48] clarity oh okay we're going to put you want to

[15:50] introduce her then okay

[15:53] mary lou we'll introduce you to that time

[16:03] [Music]

[16:09] okay i if you will just do me a favor angel and pull that microphone down i

[16:13] know this you're having some there you go thank you

[16:17] good evening everyone

[16:22] [Music]

[16:35] i would be um if i did not want to do it anyway

[16:39] [Music] oh i forgot something and you'll do it

[16:42] for the report

[16:46] no of course

[16:55] uh we don't have the same team that we had

[16:58] two years ago because we knew for two years

[17:06] what's exciting to say the least last year

[17:10] i think everyone probably screamed we found out

[17:14] that

[17:17] i was being uh as a national federal holiday

[17:21] so i told the team listen don't feel up to it but we're gonna push

[17:25] through it we're trying to get through the email because i set the

[17:29] requests

[17:38] national federal holiday and nobody's stepping forward we

[17:42] couldn't afford to do that some people are exciting the gym team

[17:48] um park will be open with all kinds of activities we have some really young

[17:52] people working because now for me [Music]

[17:56] um juneteenth in the morning of our christmas giving came to this

[18:00] june 19th we are celebrating this team at pastor

[18:05] reeds churches we call the randolph church you guys are welcome to come out

[18:09] around different types of keto pinot speaking speaking

[18:21] [Music]

[18:27] um what i decided to do

[18:31] is we can't bring everybody to us we felt we would take the voices of the

[18:36] churches throughout the community so i spoke to seven churches already about at

[18:41] 11 58 a.m the pause

[18:45] are to ring their bell for the chimes

[18:49] letting the world know at this point will kind of

[18:51] know that we are all in accord

[18:55] with the freedom of uh slaves etcetera etcetera and that'll be able to bring

[19:00] the community together also the one choice they're going to have the next

[19:03] church they're already supposed to pass the banks and a couple of people in all

[19:06] of that agreement so i think that moment actually

[19:10] will be the highlight of jimmy i hope you guys like that yeah what do

[19:15] you think i love it well you have three bells in

[19:19] crescent city right up town have they agreed i spoke to uh

[19:26] saint john's uh baptist church and he's on vacation

[19:31] there's someone there young lady has been

[19:34] sitting in prison fastest phone call

[19:51] [Music] presbyterian church right next to it

[19:57] and the episcopal church i felt i was going through the fast

[20:01] so did you have a letter going out and asked

[20:15] [Music] just before the church starts since the

[20:20] church starts okay i'm sorry i put down 11 58. okay that's the highlight

[20:25] and that will be the church on sunday we'll continue back into the park we've

[20:28] got several great vendors um

[20:32] [Music] as opposed to arts and crafts

[20:37] so what time should they people come to the park

[20:42] at one o'clock okay i just want to make sure we get the time right now okay

[20:44] someone earned um and things of that nature and

[20:48] understanding that but the official uh event starts

[20:56] yeah i'm sorry

[20:58] [Music] i'm sorry i don't know i was just

[21:02] thinking to myself another great thing that's happened i've been missing not

[21:07] mentioning this because um as mr pickens mentioned

[21:12] six weeks ago when you do the dedication ceremony we had to postpone the

[21:17] installation of these programs off the morning of this time because of the

[21:21] management of a horse so the time is upon us i'm excited

[21:26] uh i've met with mr pickens myself and myself

[21:38] [Music]

[21:42] to know exactly where they were strategically

[21:47] um that's my saturday june 18

[21:50] at 10 a.m in the morning okay and that's going to be

[21:54] um and you told them exactly where they

[21:57] need to where they need to be out right if they want to go out there for the end

[22:02] they're going to have the insulation and he's going to have the actual

[22:08] okay there's only one right [Music]

[22:24] we don't live

[22:33] [Music]

[22:40] [Music]

[22:59] the end of the journey as you know for the past 10 to 11 years

[23:04] we have been celebrating hillary clinton usually around your teeth

[23:09] and think about the table what they're doing in the past it was taught by

[23:13] journey but the journey is coming to an end

[23:17] exactly and the end of this journey is now we

[23:20] have a beautiful highway son that speaks for all that we've done for

[23:26] the past 10 to 11 years however a girlfriend don't want to be done of

[23:31] course we've got starvatron scholarship program

[23:40] [Music]

[23:49] and the state president miss lovette um she probably knows samuel also but we

[23:54] can't make it random forward so not just a name with liberal

[23:59] zionists he's still having so many people around

[24:03] the world just to make things today so we want to be an anchor

[24:08] for that by pushing it forward and inviting our people to our bacterials

[24:12] okay after the sun

[24:14] ceremony ceremony

[24:27] lunch and we have a jazz band that was serenading them

[24:37] um

[24:45] that church is using the name church okay

[24:49] thank you very much any questions

[24:52] [Music] thank you good thank you thank you very

[24:55] much angel something um angel i think it's

[25:00] all very exciting and i just wanted to let you know

[25:03] on my phone um i attended the first presbyterian church

[25:07] the little one behind baptist church we have a bell

[25:11] we get out of church at 10 our church is early but i have already sent a message

[25:17] to our clerk and our pastor to let them know that you'll be contacting them

[25:23] because it's extremely exciting yeah thank you very much those are the bells

[25:28] and the chinese i received the phone call someone wanted

[25:33] to at least not just presidency

[25:37] so can you imagine all the kind of you

[25:40] know let me ask you how long do you want the

[25:44] belts to rain

[25:49] she has the end of the baptist church [Music]

[25:53] [Laughter]

[25:58] [Music]

[26:09] thank you you take care of yourself we appreciate you coming

[26:16] okay with that i mentioned some time ago

[26:20] do you want to go ahead and introduce

[26:28] [Music] every week she's an interactive resident

[26:32] i'll let her introduce herself to you

[26:37] good evening my name is mary lou pickles um as

[26:40] mr rudd said i live in interlaken so i will be kind of like your local

[26:45] representative for a clarion i've spent

[26:48] all day here trying to you know familiarize myself with everything and

[26:54] it's been a long day but briefly about myself i am retired i

[26:59] was the office director of financial services at the board of management

[27:04] district st john's in galactica for over 21 years had different

[27:09] different job titles but my last one was the

[27:13] director of financial services previous to that i was the budget

[27:17] director so i have a lot of familiarity with uh governmental uh budgeting and

[27:22] accounting and i look forward to

[27:25] working with mr wright and his staff and helping out

[27:30] thank you welcome

[27:32] welcome we're excited to have you yes very excited i know charles is too very

[27:37] excited and we're glad you're so close

[27:43] but it's definitely close i think the person before was like two and a half

[27:47] three hours yeah yeah at least an hour is a little doable

[27:51] and we're very very very very appreciative so thank you okay thank you

[27:57] okay with that i mentioned a couple of um actually

[28:00] some time ago but as we see citizens and in the city doing things

[28:06] that out of the ordinary it's just taking their special time to do

[28:09] something we've gotten a lot of incredible volunteers um

[28:16] christina with the partnership i'm just so pleased

[28:20] with the amount of volunteers that show up week after week after week and the

[28:25] excitement that they have and so we're forever grateful for them but there was

[28:30] one lady that stood out for me

[28:35] several months ago lisa roddenberry and i were

[28:41] over at dexter park i decided that we needed to paint that wall

[28:46] and you know when you stand there at dexter park and you look at that wall it

[28:49] doesn't look too big um

[28:52] that wall is it's

[28:55] it's a mile long it is a mile long like we'll

[29:00] knock this out by noon lisa so lisa and i showed up there paint

[29:04] brushes in hand and as i looked down i'm like lisa i

[29:08] think we got to clean this thing first oh and then we gotta sweep it you know

[29:13] so i had a little broom out there and it was not a good room either it was just a

[29:17] regular grip well

[29:19] we started on our endeavor and in doing so

[29:24] this little lady walked over to us and she

[29:28] said so what are y'all doing today she said well

[29:32] we're gonna try to paint this wall and she saw me sweep a little bit

[29:38] and she was out doing her morning walk so she walks that park every day she

[29:42] loves the sidewalks and um she she loves to walk that park and

[29:48] next thing i know i set the broom down and went back to painting and we were

[29:52] talking to her about her her daughter and and what she's been doing and and

[29:57] next thing i know she picked up that broom

[30:01] and i tell you she cleaned that wall and she cleaned that sidewalk so that

[30:08] lisa and i just had to go in and paint it and that's not an easy task i did it

[30:13] this last week for those students that were there painting it and

[30:18] i have even more of an appreciation for her so

[30:22] miss emily if you will step up here we would like to recognize you today

[30:37] so

[30:57] and it took you quite a while didn't it [Music]

[31:14] lisa and i talked about her all day how she made our job so much easier

[31:20] and so with that it is our pleasure to give you a

[31:24] certificate of appreciation the city of crescent city we award emily williams

[31:29] for her dedication for community spirit and hard work towards making crescent

[31:35] city

[31:49] watch the wires i know and we have to watch the wires everybody so as you come

[31:54] around here just be careful please don't step on the wire

[32:03] and i'll tell you she just didn't hesitate as a matter of fact she saw

[32:06] somebody walking along and she encouraged them

[32:11] and they

[32:19] [Music]

[32:27] but i'll tell you what if anybody wants to see a beautiful yard with flowers and

[32:32] shrubs she does a beautiful job in her yard so emily we just so appreciate

[32:37] everything you do today present footy the best

[32:48] 911

[32:56] so thank you you know and she just sets the examples for others to follow so we

[33:01] thank her for coming out today and um

[33:22] so we'll

[33:28] [Music]

[33:36] [Music] as you'll see on the second page there

[33:50] is [Music]

[33:58] [Music] and the difference between last last

[34:07] month and this month because we had no crime reported

[34:11] last month and five this month so the big increase there is just about

[34:16] luckily sitting in digit 9.

[34:22] [Music] identified and

[34:32] charged mary lane leclair of georgetown for entering that vehicle

[34:36] uh and that's waiting on the state attorney's office to uh

[34:40] finish up what they're going to do on that case so they've had been charged

[34:45] with [Music]

[34:47] the second one was at 223 north summit street

[34:50] the church full of cover it was a burglary again

[34:53] thank you for mr benny norris was arrested with that

[34:57] we've been having a little bit of trouble with benny norris lake and i've

[34:59] been trying to look out for some other different resources things

[35:03] as you know taking somebody to jail is not nearly just a band-aid if it's an

[35:07] issue then he's got some other issues that

[35:10] some mental health issues that we need we need to address

[35:14] right now i'm trying to get the state attorney's office because we've worked

[35:17] another crowd in this month with family stolen advice

[35:20] but working with the state attorney's office to try to revoke his bond get him

[35:23] back in jail we had a lot of mental health services in the jail i think it

[35:27] would be a great benefit i've reached out to several different resources

[35:32] they don't seem too helpful or wanting to get involved so i think

[35:37] this is probably going to be my best course and actually i can think of

[35:40] major scott cersei in jail has implemented a lot of mental health

[35:43] programs that i think will be instrumental in his rehabilitation so

[35:48] that's kind of where we are with mr norris

[35:51] can i interrupt you i was thinking about him like this today

[35:55] the bicycle he has is that his now the bicycle he has now is that used the

[36:02] green one uh-huh yes ma'am

[36:06] that's the one he originally [Music]

[36:11] just either had a ride into town and just steal someone else's bicycle and

[36:14] get back so there's a lot of history that i have though mr norris i've had

[36:18] many conversations we'll even have many conversations with the fan and family

[36:22] just trying to find some type of a recourse i offered services out to them

[36:26] to get them to try to take charge of this and it's been just a tough battle

[36:30] for me so we were looking outside the box to try to get them some help

[36:37] did you call it

[36:48] [Music] but

[36:55] [Music]

[37:02] the next one was a vehicle death at 9 15 cedar street i won't say this

[37:07] individual's name but this individual is involved in two of the crimes that are

[37:11] here one is uh the 849. the vehicle that's there is the same one in the

[37:17] vehicle test so gentleman leaves his car the keys inside of the car unlocked

[37:24] this gentleman found the opportunity he gets into an altercation

[37:28] here he goes into palakka

[37:31] ends up trying to come back and reconcile

[37:34] seeks refuge in a family member's house they did not want him there so when they

[37:37] got up and seen that he was there he had a lead

[37:40] uh it's the reason the vehicle virtually happens a couple of days before when he

[37:44] goes to placa he comes back so now he doesn't know where to go so he's got to

[37:48] get the car was stolen from

[37:53] from cedar street and was since recovered in palatka to one of his

[37:56] knowledge near one of his known associates house

[38:00] so in my opinion once i get some of the the

[38:05] evidence off this card that was collected hopefully it will be able to

[38:09] identify the children and we will have a 100 percent solid

[38:13] building credits

[38:16] any questions only that's hard

[38:22] i had to go there i had to go pick that one up

[38:27] yes sir

[38:30] i don't know

[38:36] [Music] this is one of the locations that we

[38:40] commonly recover stolen vehicles so they know where to hide these things where

[38:44] they can get back to them

[38:54] does this building need some kind of a grant for better security because baja

[39:00] taco seems to be an incredibly frequent market

[39:04] it is and luckily for hot taco they uh i don't know how they do it but every time

[39:09] someone has been a victim of a crime it has been solved they have one of the

[39:14] best state-of-the-art camera systems that i have seen in crescent city

[39:19] um as a matter of fact when this individual broke into the establishment

[39:24] he actually broke into the bathroom at first because he didn't know he was

[39:26] breaking [Music]

[39:38] one of the owners or workers of the business drives up

[39:42] he runs behind the shed around back and hides

[39:45] she leaves he comes back out and breaks in the ball on top of the game

[39:51] if you remember in times past this is three times broken atop all tacos

[39:56] because they were hungry the church burglaries that we've had

[40:00] what was removed from the church was food

[40:02] so you know again i

[40:07] also spent some of my time in the

[40:14] [Music]

[40:21] any other questions

[40:31] [Music]

[40:37] no injury reported a period of car left the roadway and get

[40:41] a car was trying to make a u-turn in the grass there and the other part was

[40:44] coming back off the radar street second one was at summit and lake grove

[40:49] two-bedroom crashed with minor injuries the car pulled out in front of the

[40:53] motorcycle i was traveling south on summer street

[40:58] i was 17 at junction road it was raining really heavy this day

[41:02] and two vehicles were traveling north into crescent city just before they

[41:06] came up on that the hill there in crescent city i say city lights but they

[41:10] start a little further south as they're coming up that hill he

[41:15] notices that there's someone turning on the junction road wasn't paying

[41:17] attention runs off

[41:23] [Music]

[41:26] and last but not least vernon avenue and grand rondo single vehicle crash with

[41:31] minor injuries governor lee elderly lady was traveling

[41:35] uh westbound on camera 308 and where the road takes the return

[41:41] right here at grand rondo she just kept going straight

[41:45] single vehicle crashed the next pages here are the

[41:49] general activities the 229 c is uh general calls for service that's all

[41:54] calls and presidency that's including the

[41:56] officer initiated as well traffic stops were a little low so i had

[42:00] a meeting with consultants on this i want to bring these numbers up

[42:04] so that number i was not happy with but we should see an increase next month and

[42:08] then traffic crashes again we have four

[42:11] traffic crashes and the guys checked out with

[42:20] went up the traffic stops went down so we should

[42:23] see a little increase i wasn't happy with

[42:26] that next month

[42:32] [Music] it looks there's not really any

[42:44] consistency there it's all up and down as

[42:48] i said before we have zero affordable crimes in my

[42:52] state of affordable crime reported to the department of law enforcement

[42:56] after [Music]

[43:00] um

[43:03] [Music]

[43:11] [Music]

[43:17] any questions on those numbers

[43:20] yours says four and the reason why i say that i'm sorry i stand corrected here

[43:24] the burglary was miscounted i had to add a burglary there because

[43:27] when i pulled this report it wasn't on there yet so i had to add one there was

[43:31] actually two burglaries one vehicle theft

[43:34] two thefts which was a total of five and you're

[43:37] seeing four there that you have to add

[43:41] [Music]

[43:45] okay any more questions

[43:49] yeah about a captain about two months ago or maybe a month

[43:56] um i was coming back from a coffee break in

[44:00] the morning and

[44:03] a big dead cow

[44:06] was on the corner of gran rondo as he getting ready to go

[44:10] around that lake now i don't know how in the world that big old guy got there

[44:16] but he looked like he was

[44:20] wrapped around the pool oh let's grab one yeah right there uh

[44:26] call from cobra's paw okay what country is

[44:31] a cat a huge cow

[44:44] location inside the city i don't know what he

[44:48] came out

[45:00] [Music] you didn't get no information

[45:06] [Music]

[45:16] [Music]

[45:30] social media website you can see something like that normally because

[45:33] that's i don't know that i've ever drove up one

[45:35] of the seasons [Music]

[45:39] when i came back first time when deputy was there and the next time i've come by

[45:44] deputy where

[45:49] [Laughter]

[45:55] wow i'll look into that and i'll get you an

[45:57] answer

[46:05] [Music]

[46:10] i've just received some complaints between fridays and saturdays

[46:16] it doesn't really appear [Music]

[46:18] that we have

[46:22] deputies around

[46:26] the main complaints uh really they go down

[46:30] towards magnolia on the north side and then i think down

[46:34] with orange street on the south side

[46:38] uh where there's just um there's a lot of drag racing

[46:43] um like i said somewhere down i think it's lime street

[46:47] that area um

[46:50] there's and i was i'm not sure what they're called but

[46:59] [Music] and

[47:02] different various people brought this to my attention

[47:05] you know they've made calls and i was the person that brought this attention

[47:09] once before as well um but they're not getting any call back

[47:14] they're not getting um they don't feel that there's

[47:18] anybody listening to them and i'm not making excuses but i have

[47:23] had numerous emails

[47:26] this week instead also okay and also last week

[47:30] about non-returning phone calls

[47:33] actually the undersheriff himself called me about one particular person which is

[47:38] this person who's not one of the commissioners in the plane

[47:40] and what i found was when i was calling these these individuals back

[47:45] one actually had me blocked because they thought i was spamming

[47:48] so we are having a big challenge right now with all the spam calls and my

[47:53] deputies when they call the number back they're usually using their personal

[47:56] cell phone number and they're going to call you from a block number

[47:59] so that's a that's an issue i'm going to

[48:02] have to figure out i'm getting a lot of calls about follow us on and this has

[48:06] just started i've been in this business for 20 years

[48:10] and this is the first time i've had the influx of

[48:12] i these people aren't calling me back and

[48:15] my deputies are saying yes i am calling these people back

[48:18] we use the star 67 so maybe that is something that is happening they're

[48:22] seeing a strange number because it's not the sheriff's office number or they're

[48:25] seeing a block number come through and i know a lot of times when i block a

[48:29] number it literally was i called my two so i got two cell phones one's my

[48:33] personal and one of my business if i block my number from one cell phone

[48:37] to the other it will say spam risk if i block that number

[48:42] so that's one of the challenges that we're running into

[48:45] so i'm not saying that that's an excuse but that has been a big problem lately

[48:50] that's a huge problem well maybe maybe we can try and help

[48:54] help you with that i mean there are certain numbers that you use to call

[48:58] back with correct if they go back to the challenge so if they know if the

[49:04] deputy calls back into the dispatch and gets a patch

[49:07] okay that's very time consuming so definitely a lot of times we'll just use

[49:10] the star 67 everybody knows that blockchain number and they will call

[49:14] that person back that person says family is going to fall

[49:17] for an unknown number they're most likely not going to answer

[49:21] them most likely they're probably going to be looking for a sheriff's office one

[49:24] would be calling them back so it's a it's a challenge i have right now so

[49:28] um [Music]

[49:36] [Music] so if i find out they're not

[49:45] then you have an issue but every time i've had

[49:48] the same thing happen my deputies

[49:51] give you their phone this is what i would recall this is the number i called

[49:55] back i don't know why they didn't answer so i have had one that said i didn't

[50:00] call that the truth was wrong so i just didn't call them back i didn't think

[50:03] about it i got busy okay trying to do it again

[50:07] but about i would say eighty percent of the judges

[50:09] that i have that they are able to show you on their phones where they tried to

[50:13] call their friends back and they didn't get

[50:15] an answer back now should they call two or three times um you know

[50:19] [Music] it's a challenge for me right now okay

[50:23] so we're working on that

[50:28] a peak hours i guess those would be what on during the weekend do you

[50:33] consider the peak hours probably

[50:37] as far as well yeah i mean do you have a consideration for

[50:43] what we would consider when we need two officers our two

[50:46] deputies on um during the week one during the

[50:49] weekend is it friday night saturday night

[50:56] just just depends it just depends i mean i'm just i just didn't know if

[51:00] that's something that if if they're not seeing them

[51:04] um you know i mean

[51:10] [Music]

[51:20] so i have means where if somebody says our deputies aren't going to a certain

[51:24] place i can show you yeah and

[51:28] believe me that they're out there i mean

[51:31] but for whatever reason

[51:35] especially with no callback i think i just don't feel that

[51:39] right there so if you have those individuals

[51:43] you just give me a name and phone number and enter a quick email or give them to

[51:46] charles and i'll try to figure out but that is a big challenge for me right

[51:52] now especially because i have so many people that

[51:55] i'm not trying to put my head up i have so many people that want to talk to me

[51:59] that it's i've seen how much of a challenge it is

[52:08] thank you thank you commissioner

[52:18] um i do have a question to ask you about people who are on the streets

[52:25] um it seemed like for about the past two months um everywhere i

[52:30] looked um my husband i live on south main street

[52:34] right around the lake park and going up to the post office

[52:39] there's there's been a very unfortunate

[52:41] gentleman in a wheelchair living on the street he's been to the

[52:45] hospital they weren't trying to have a chat with the fire department

[52:49] about this um there was someone

[52:53] basically staying full-time in the evo during the

[52:57] day in the lion's yelling and screaming i wonder if he was

[53:03] the person who broke into the church by any chance

[53:08] he was very threatening and i called a number of times

[53:12] and then i've spoken to um and seen quite a few people who are

[53:19] pretty obviously homeless just in this central area

[53:23] in the last week i haven't seen before the person in the

[53:27] wheelchair for all i know is deceased but the other people that i'm not seeing

[53:32] i'm wondering um is that because of contact with law

[53:36] enforcement have you all tried to provide those services or is it just

[53:40] happenstance that i'm not seeing them now we the german that's in the

[53:44] wheelchair he is has a very bad medical condition

[53:49] and i have tried my best to get this gentleman to get received some type of

[53:53] help and he's just not happy

[54:00] is he the gentleman that was over okay now they did take him because i did talk

[54:04] to and the deputy called took care of the medic and they did take him to the

[54:09] hospital and he was they admitted him

[54:12] they didn't admit him and that was a couple that was last week but this has

[54:16] been multiple times yeah i know he's gone multiple times but i know he hasn't

[54:19] been back since right yeah

[54:22] so [Music]

[54:28] right family members uh seek a

[54:31] marching band for him he was taken into custody and transported him over to

[54:36] flagler hospital for mental for a neural evaluation

[54:39] and i haven't seen him back around so that may work you may have got hamilton

[54:42] medication dying back in the right track or

[54:45] seeking some medical nursing mental health assistance to get in there

[54:51] quite frankly for about a week or two

[54:55] when i and others would call we got a lot of pushback

[55:00] from the deputies i mean they just basically told us

[55:05] don't worry about it you know whatever and it was pretty obvious to those of us

[55:09] in the area that he had some serious issues

[55:17] we had no reason to take his identification

[55:20] [Music]

[55:30] i'm glad it worked out i'm glad to know that you did take it seriously even

[55:34] though it did not come here but you did because it was whatever and then there

[55:38] have been some other people who were very needy and obviously a problem but

[55:43] i have no idea where they've been but there's just

[55:48] [Music] good people aren't necessarily hilarious

[56:00] they have problems sorry anyway just

[56:04] thank you for the information okay anything else

[56:08] um just i wanted to say i agree there is a lot of partying and drag racing

[56:15] particularly off of grandmother sometimes like here at saturday or even

[56:20] sunday night um i don't always call i don't always

[56:24] have an opportunity to call um but on i think i said this last week

[56:29] there is there is quite a bit of what commissioner described

[56:34] that's all i know and with that i'm going to convince

[56:39] the captain because we've had several residents that have come in here and

[56:43] that they they've been concerned about the traffic and the speed

[56:47] um i was i was actually on a mayor's zoom across the state

[56:52] and that was they said their number one problem all communities around the state

[56:56] really around the nation right now are dealing with is speeding

[57:00] um and trying to find solutions to that another one of

[57:05] course is noise um but captain when

[57:09] he has gone to numerous homes and he has sat with people

[57:15] with his radar

[57:18] and um very appreciative that you've taken that time out of your day just to

[57:23] kind of help them you know better be

[57:26] able to better gauge actually what's speeding and what seems like speeding

[57:31] um a lot of these cars are loud and they sound like it i mean i live on the back

[57:36] side of summit so i hear you know constantly in my back you know

[57:41] in the backyard and um so does commissioner burt and she lives right

[57:45] off the summit also and it's it's you know you but sometimes

[57:49] they're just loud and it just you think they're speeding and actually they're

[57:53] not that i just want to commend you and thank you for taking that time

[57:57] and just being respectful of the concerns that the residents have it

[58:00] means a tremendous amount and we are trying our best to educate these people

[58:04] with these loud exhausts especially modified because modified and and stock

[58:09] exhaust are different but as you as everyone knows these high performance

[58:12] vehicles they're building these days they come with loud exhausts just like

[58:16] your motorcycle going on the roads that is from the manufacturing into the

[58:20] manufacturer's specs and when they take off from these red lights they sound

[58:24] like they are tearing the roads up but in reality

[58:27] they're doing the speed but it sounds like a rift

[58:30] uh so it's it's challenging but we're uh we're working on i promise you that

[58:36] thank you very much we appreciate it any other questions

[58:41] okay with that

[58:45] very good

[58:48] okay now we're going to move into public comments so at this time i'm going to

[58:51] open up public comments if we have any public comments from

[58:55] the audience um you have three minutes please come up state your name state

[59:00] your address speak into the mic and please address the commission and not

[59:04] the audience

[59:07] i know it's hard for me to remember just to say it

[59:11] my name is rick preiter 436 south prospect street

[59:16] my domicile is right in the middle of all this stuff you all discuss and i

[59:20] thought it was to kind of get up here right after what

[59:22] he said because i had experience

[59:25] last saturday morning at 2 30 where i did have an officer talk back

[59:31] very professional and kind of gave me their input on

[59:36] why we can't seem to get a handle on the

[59:39] noise here in town i let things go until midnight but i've

[59:45] learned over the last few years in the 20 plus times that

[59:51] my family has called either the crescent city police or the

[59:56] sheriff's department to report excessive noise

[1:00:00] if i don't start early the chances of getting that resolved are

[1:00:05] slimmed and not so

[1:00:10] the deputy went by and notify these folks that uh it's too

[1:00:15] loud and this is a situation where people are

[1:00:18] playing their stereo outside this noise is not coming from inside

[1:00:25] it's coming from outside of and then when they decide to get onto their

[1:00:29] public address system and start screening that just

[1:00:34] intensifies the situation so

[1:00:38] three times the deputy went out there to inform

[1:00:42] these folks that uh

[1:00:46] the music is too loud i finally passed out from exhaustion at

[1:00:51] like 3 30 or 4 o'clock in the morning and the music was still going

[1:00:57] now we have an ordinance

[1:01:01] that you know in the time i've been here i've heard every reason in the world why

[1:01:05] this isn't being forced but today i can tell you that the

[1:01:10] mechanism to address this is not it's not there

[1:01:16] and i don't know what it's going to take to finally get

[1:01:20] you know personalize this video i've got to do something to move on

[1:01:28] i mean i'm really to the point where i'm ready to put my house on the market and

[1:01:32] leave here because this happens i can set my watch

[1:01:36] on when this is

[1:01:46] that i live here and i pay taxes and on top of those taxes i pay an enhanced the

[1:01:51] law enforcement services and and they're handcuffed

[1:01:55] around enforcing and

[1:01:59] being punitive toward people to help them understand that

[1:02:03] in a civilized society your rights to play your music so loud do not

[1:02:10] override the rights of somebody else in the community

[1:02:14] to be able to have peace and quiet in order to sleep

[1:02:18] thank you thank you may i make a comment please yes um mr

[1:02:24] banks you'll remember this when we were working on this uh ordinance

[1:02:29] the problem was we're working with the sheriff's department and our police

[1:02:33] department is

[1:02:35] we could not

[1:02:39] measure the decibels and we could not enforce it do you

[1:02:43] remember that and i've always found that odd because

[1:02:48] if it's too loud too loud it's too low

[1:02:52] i agree we should be able to say you can't do that

[1:02:57] or you have to move to somewhere else or whatever but it i'll tell you what with

[1:03:02] our lake this little light bag here like stella particularly

[1:03:06] if it's happening over there i'm hearing it upstairs in my house because that

[1:03:11] water amplifies it so it's all over the town and we should

[1:03:18] captain ussr is there any way or any way to add that to that ordinance

[1:03:25] specific sandwich i'm going to ask

[1:03:37] and it's never been able to be

[1:03:42] enforceable because of that

[1:03:47] measuring decibels and so we do that so we do have a decimal meter it is

[1:03:53] stationed at the crescent city office the weekend that this happened it was

[1:03:56] not because i had in my position going around town and seeing what the

[1:04:00] decimal levels actually sounded like so we got the deputies when they came out

[1:04:03] and got a general knowledge i could say okay

[1:04:06] i need to i need the decimal here instead of coming all the way up here

[1:04:09] and getting here because if they take it anywhere else because the city is fine

[1:04:13] but if they have to go to east collectively they're gonna come all the

[1:04:15] way down to crescent city and come back so they can kind of be a judge before

[1:04:19] coming and getting them either so secondly speaking on the most limits

[1:04:23] itself we've been spending a pretty good amount of time having spoken with you

[1:04:27] about it something there um trying to figure out

[1:04:30] the right process and i don't want to spill the beans if somebody would like

[1:04:33] to have some private conversations on this i don't want to spill the means of

[1:04:37] how that that process actually works right now

[1:04:40] we can't issue citations but we're working on we're working on the process

[1:04:44] um and i really don't want to go into a whole lot of meat and potatoes of that

[1:04:49] right now just because i don't want

[1:04:53] everybody to know kind of the way the process works right now so

[1:04:56] um once we we're not sure how this is going to go so once we

[1:05:00] come up with a good plan of enforcement then we'll um obviously

[1:05:06] obviously it's a problem to us i've also been in contact with the uh

[1:05:10] the courthouse where the powers to be to figure out

[1:05:14] who's going to be regulating these citations and what that process is so

[1:05:18] we're on it i was hoping to have that earlier by this week it's just

[1:05:21] [Music]

[1:05:35] cite manage whatever you want to call it privileged sound

[1:05:38] and amplify sounds and presidency well that's good news because we've been

[1:05:44] battling this for years and it's just

[1:05:48] and [Music]

[1:05:55] so and it's been the same thing yes and

[1:05:59] it's time to get it fixed i think there's a way around it

[1:06:02] all right excellent question thanks kind of picking back off uh the commissioner

[1:06:07] westmove you've been having that problem correction for years

[1:06:11] and we even had the state's attorney office

[1:06:14] searching for answers and they couldn't come up with a

[1:06:18] good answer it looked like the problem is still

[1:06:22] raining in automobiles or

[1:06:26] where we kind of judged by the automobile but in

[1:06:30] an individual house playing live music they couldn't come up

[1:06:35] with the judge the automobile every time they see the stock come and the police

[1:06:41] car comes they cut it out right

[1:06:44] time you get back down the road boom there you go again

[1:06:50] it was kind of hard but the community just was upset about

[1:06:55] that and we were trying to do everything

[1:06:59] possible everything possible to try to get an

[1:07:02] answer for it but we could not get the law

[1:07:06] a law anywhere that would help us so i'm not trying to say

[1:07:12] uh we can't do anything about it it's been something i'm really hoping

[1:07:16] whatever you're working on works i think it will and like i said we are

[1:07:22] ending our citation

[1:07:25] what happens after that citation is what we're judged by

[1:07:29] and you are just like i am your people of accountability

[1:07:33] when we go issue that citation i want to make sure they're held accountable for

[1:07:36] those actions so that's what i'm working on it's not just the citation part not

[1:07:40] just [Music]

[1:07:47] and i i live just right down the road from this provider and so i know exactly

[1:07:51] which house he's talking about and i get phone calls from neighbors

[1:07:55] um i don't wait till midnight i start at 10

[1:07:58] o'clock you know if i'm going to start making

[1:08:00] phone calls start at 10 o'clock and i figure after 10 o'clock kind of like you

[1:08:04] shouldn't have that phone call after 9 o'clock

[1:08:07] after 10 o'clock that music should shut down but um

[1:08:11] you know i spoke to uh mayor um

[1:08:16] watts over in malacca and they are currently

[1:08:20] working on their ordinance and something and that was the big question

[1:08:24] is where do you put you know what kind of teeth are you putting in this

[1:08:28] ordinance so that people will understand that they

[1:08:32] just can't do this and get a citation that this is going to really impact them

[1:08:37] if they continue and so he's he shared some things with me and i know as we go

[1:08:42] forward and we have kicked this can down the road quite a bit i know as far as

[1:08:47] i've had the noise ordinance sitting on my desk

[1:08:50] for some time and so maybe now is the time that

[1:08:53] that we either workshop it or or we move forward and figure out some way to do

[1:08:58] this i we had a gentleman that's right outside in the county and he came in the

[1:09:03] office the other day and just like mr fighter he is just

[1:09:06] exasperated and he is talking to anybody he's even talking to mayor what up mayor

[1:09:11] watts i don't know why people aren't calling him mayor west but mayor watts

[1:09:16] and i said well well lack is a long ways he's south of presidency that's a long

[1:09:20] ways away because i'm going to talk to anybody that will help me we've been

[1:09:24] dealing with this and

[1:09:26] so it's it's all over and i know the county struggles with it

[1:09:30] as well as far as trying to figure this out but um thank you for bringing this

[1:09:34] to our attention once again and um i think

[1:09:39] he's right we need to we need to start when we think figure this out

[1:09:45] put some teeth in it we need way to be able to

[1:09:50] give some consequences and so far we haven't been able to have that because

[1:09:56] uh i know our ordinance is after 11 o'clock is it

[1:10:02] 10 it's supposed to go down or off but nobody pays any attention to that

[1:10:10] well like i said i can i may uh if this is obviously i was a little bit

[1:10:16] late today because i was content a little bit too much today but tomorrow

[1:10:19] we'll be playing again uh most of the day i will be paying this gentleman this

[1:10:24] residence a visit tomorrow uh there are no listen the sound already is not the

[1:10:29] only trick we have with our sleeve folks these people still have to come and go

[1:10:33] from this house and there's some other things

[1:10:36] some other things that we can do to deter this type of activity so

[1:10:40] just give us the opportunity let me work with everybody here to try to come up

[1:10:44] with a uh a solution to these citations

[1:10:48] and

[1:10:51] thank you thank you thank you they also kind of four-wheeler at that

[1:10:55] time the other day and

[1:10:59] [Laughter] [Music]

[1:11:11] yes ma'am go ahead good evening this is 19th century and uh

[1:11:17] if we don't give up on this problem uh i had the same problem uh

[1:11:23] at my house and i know exactly the house that is doing it is i told my husband

[1:11:29] the chef transforms into a big easy and the speakers are out and

[1:11:35] i told him we need to call early because last time it was midnight and they were

[1:11:40] still blowing when i cannot sleep and the noise is inside my room i know it's

[1:11:45] too loud we cannot give up we have to train them

[1:11:49] like those that does not allow

[1:11:52] and don't give up sir don't give up i'm not giving up share it don't give up the

[1:11:57] problem is that we have all these children

[1:12:02] in the midst of these parties and like mcdonald's or walmart we are creating

[1:12:08] the next generation that thinks it's okay to do these things

[1:12:12] so we need to show up and let them know you're invading my

[1:12:17] privacy you know when your noise is coming inside my room you violating my

[1:12:23] privacy will i get arrested if i get a blowborn and just blow it at their ears

[1:12:29] i don't know my husband told me stay good just go to bed and i'll continue

[1:12:32] with it i am not the same but don't give up everybody

[1:12:37] let's train them thank you very much

[1:12:45] well i've wondered if it's not a commercial

[1:12:48] enterprise that's going on over there very

[1:12:53] large number of people

[1:12:58] yes

[1:13:02] i was wondering when are we going to meet our officers

[1:13:06] we're going to have the officers that we could know

[1:13:10] our colonel carl wells was here and he

[1:13:14] he did he did say that we would do that and we were

[1:13:17] looking at doing it in june sometime i know you've had you've kind of had your

[1:13:21] plateful a little bit and with some of the switching and the changing that's

[1:13:24] been going on um so he didn't he did say that we would have an open house when

[1:13:29] you had it all ready to go so um

[1:13:34] work on that within the date thank you

[1:13:40] john 5 12

[1:13:42] [Music] um

[1:13:44] about the noise ordinance i know that um sometimes with

[1:13:50] certain activities and events

[1:13:53] uh it can be annoying especially but i'm hoping that we can have a workshop so we

[1:13:58] can define um

[1:14:01] times and the different types of functions

[1:14:06] um that were having so people would know what but i i know what you're talking

[1:14:12] about with some people it is just

[1:14:16] just ridiculous but i think that we should have a

[1:14:19] workshop and talk about it how it's going

[1:14:23] um to be handled how it's going to be handled because i don't want to think

[1:14:27] that okay if i'm having a function at my home

[1:14:32] and i have the music on and then all of a sudden the police show

[1:14:37] up and i'm getting a citation

[1:14:40] so i just want to make sure i'm just playing my music and it's not too loud

[1:14:45] but i just want us to be able to define that for the residents

[1:14:50] that's fair excuse me when we were working on this

[1:14:55] uh ordinance this was something that came up you know

[1:14:59] you're having a party i'm having a party whatever you're gonna have music that is

[1:15:04] gonna be infringing on your neighbors i think it's the hour

[1:15:08] anything that goes after 10 o'clock is really obnoxious

[1:15:13] and that's the big big problem is how long because these people are going all

[1:15:19] night long and i do i understand that i i really i

[1:15:24] know what he's talking about right like everybody else because i live there and

[1:15:28] sometimes my windows the cars pass by just they just

[1:15:34] they just rattled the window so i do understand that it is it means

[1:15:40] if you're having a party at your house and you're having music that's loud

[1:15:45] louder than you would have inside i don't think that's going to be a problem

[1:15:49] i think we all understand but after nine o'clock ten o'clock you know that it's

[1:15:55] it's late people go to bed they need their sleep they get up at five in the

[1:15:59] morning go to work or whatever and that's not a good thing right and i you

[1:16:04] know but i just don't want nobody to say well she had a party over there they

[1:16:08] didn't say nothing to her or him and you know so we can just um

[1:16:13] be able to define um what

[1:16:16] well that's what i've been talking about a very difficult time

[1:16:22] putting what is the limit how do we measure it and then what do we do about

[1:16:26] it that's been the problem from here to tallahassee right and i and i'm aware

[1:16:30] that also all those years and then to hear one time

[1:16:36] that there is no noise ordinance and i'm like what and there it is

[1:16:40] it just doesn't happen it doesn't have teeth

[1:16:45] but absolutely thank you and we'll make sure that there is a workshop on this

[1:16:51] okay any other public comment

[1:16:56] and audience i'm going to ask you that if you have a comment please come

[1:17:00] forward and we're not don't speak out in in the audience that's just kind of

[1:17:05] um it's hard for us up here but if you'll do that for your neighbor and but

[1:17:09] if you do have a comment please by all means come up and and speak now's the

[1:17:13] time do they have anything else

[1:17:17] everything good okay

[1:17:19] with that i'm gonna close public comment and we're gonna open up public hearings

[1:17:26] we've got the second reading of ordinance 202204

[1:17:31] bobby there's an ordinance of the city

[1:17:35] commission of syrian presidency would have amended

[1:17:38] the city of president city's comprehensive plan to incorporate

[1:17:41] changes

[1:18:07] [Music]

[1:18:16] facilities in agricultural and replacing the interlanguage map series providing

[1:18:21] for conflict gratification of fire acts providing for codification

[1:18:27] [Music] mayor this is the second and final

[1:18:32] reading of the update to our comprehensive plan uh upon first reading

[1:18:37] for acceptance it was transmitted [Music]

[1:18:50] with that i'm going to go ahead and i'm going to open it up for um

[1:18:53] additional factual testimony for or against if we have any

[1:18:59] seeing none let's open it up for public comment we have any public comment on

[1:19:03] this is our comp plan amendment i mean i'm sorry our update anybody have

[1:19:09] um any public comment on this we had a workshop on it the other day a very good

[1:19:13] workshop very good explanation as to why we go

[1:19:16] why we have a comp plan and why we have to do the update every seven

[1:19:22] years so um it's an evaluation and review

[1:19:26] anybody have um okay seeing no i'm gonna close public

[1:19:30] comment commissioners i'm bringing it back to you

[1:19:34] we have a motion

[1:19:37] to move that we accept

[1:19:41] ordinance 2022-04

[1:19:46] okay we have a motion and we have a second here and you got the

[1:19:56] commissioner burton commissioner burton second commissioner

[1:19:59] do we have any um open this up for any comments or

[1:20:02] discussion do we have any

[1:20:07] if not yes i have a couple of questions and one for mr pick

[1:20:15] because

[1:20:19] okay so

[1:20:21] this is a very long document it's 104 pages

[1:20:24] before first reading i went through the entire thing

[1:20:28] and asked all my questions um it was sent to the state for review

[1:20:33] um one thing that i noted in our informational workshop is

[1:20:39] um the future land use map which does not have a page number

[1:20:44] that's present

[1:20:50] if there's a larger future land use map that we need

[1:20:56] so my concern is um so whereas clauses to this ordinance say

[1:21:03] that um

[1:21:05] this is it whatever was there in the past this

[1:21:10] replaces it um

[1:21:12] this is just a completely unreadable map it's got the date

[1:21:18] and the source on it well actually this is the map that was

[1:21:22] sent to the state correct and they reviewed this so they've already sent

[1:21:26] the electronic

[1:21:30] okay so this is the 2021 map

[1:21:35] should have been the december 2021 should have been that one is that what

[1:21:39] it says right so i mean there's a better copy of this

[1:21:44] there is an electronic copy it sounds like yeah

[1:21:47] and you had a better copy at the workshop the other day too you had a

[1:21:50] larger copy you had an enlarged calculator yes you had that the other

[1:21:54] day

[1:22:05] right that fits in your packets

[1:22:20] and then the other thing is um pages we got this packet

[1:22:26] last friday with everything else in the packet

[1:22:29] there's no way to go through here and make sure that it matches what we sent

[1:22:33] to tallahassee can you represent to me that this is identical to what we sent

[1:22:38] out yes

[1:22:40] okay

[1:22:47] okay commissioner do you have any other

[1:22:49] comments

[1:23:05] uh commissioner devito on the map this is this is just what we've given the

[1:23:08] city as uh it's a very large document this is a huge map and i will be sending

[1:23:14] that map that i sent to the state which was that larger

[1:23:17] version to the state for adoption so it's not going to be that map that will

[1:23:21] be set that's good

[1:23:24] thank you thank you

[1:23:26] thank you and the one that we had um at the

[1:23:29] workshop the other day was very legible

[1:23:46] so all in favor of this adoption say aye aye aye

[1:23:51] okay all opposed motion cares

[1:23:56] i want to go to the second reading of ordinance 2022 thank you so much and

[1:24:02] thanks for coming over we appreciate all your hard work thank you

[1:24:06] um the second reading of ordinance 2022-11

[1:24:13] i noticed that in your packet you received the copy that was your first

[1:24:16] reading did not contain the changes you approved and we were sending you for

[1:24:20] approval yeah so we'll my request is we table this up

[1:24:24] while you do that i've got a copy of that and highlighted the changes

[1:24:28] there were a few changes but there were changes okay

[1:24:31] thank you okay commissioner can you ask the table this i need a motion to table

[1:24:34] this please i know that will be table 20 22

[1:24:39] okay until we get a copy with this new change

[1:24:45] okay we have a motion we have the second do we have any other discussion

[1:24:51] okay all in favor of tabling this are we going to table it till the next meeting

[1:24:55] correct until the july to the july general commission meeting all in favor

[1:25:00] say aye aye

[1:25:04] we're going to get a second reading of ordinance 2022-12

[1:25:08] in order to the city of fresno city florida approving an amendment to the

[1:25:12] natural gas fund of the budget for the fiscal year beginning october 1st 2021

[1:25:17] and ending september 30th

[1:25:20] here this is the second final reading of the amendment which adds the dot grant

[1:25:25] for the moving of our gas line expansion of the us 17. okay and that's down like

[1:25:30] that's the one that's down by towards dunkirk in that area okay thank you

[1:25:35] okay at this time i'm going to open it up for additional factual testimony

[1:25:47] i'm going to close public comments commissioners

[1:25:52] we have a motion i believe that we approve the second reading

[1:25:56] second okay we have a motion for adoption and a

[1:25:59] second do we have any other discussion

[1:26:04] no discussion all in favor say aye [Music]

[1:26:13] we're going to move to the first reading of ordinance 2022-14

[1:26:35] meeting each month is necessary providing for the procedures to call for

[1:26:39] a second commission meeting providing for conflicts providing for

[1:26:42] the qualification and directions to the code qualifier and

[1:26:46] providing an effective fee mayor this is uh an ordinance that the

[1:26:51] commission voted for us to bring to you and contemplating a second regularly

[1:26:55] scheduled meeting for the month um it did pass three to two and i think it

[1:27:00] was i felt like it was shaky three to two so um there's been a lot of

[1:27:05] discussion the way the ordinance is actually written i feel like it

[1:27:10] enforces what we already can do just follow special meetings

[1:27:13] we want a second meeting of the month so

[1:27:16] i don't think it accomplished what we potentially want to schedule a regular

[1:27:21] date we'd have two scheduled meetings a month

[1:27:23] uh but i'm not sure that's actually the will of commission so um

[1:27:27] don't pass this and i still have the ability to call a special meeting

[1:27:32] could be a second meeting every month emergency meeting

[1:27:36] this this ordinance presented would

[1:27:38] essentially allow you to the mayor to schedule that second meeting

[1:27:42] if needed

[1:27:46] so we have some so we have some options that we could

[1:27:49] go with because we already have that basically

[1:27:54] um that opportunity to call that special

[1:27:58] meeting should we need it yes okay i'm gonna open it up right now for

[1:28:04] public for

[1:28:07] for additional factual testimony for again then i'm

[1:28:11] seeing none of that opening up for public comment do we have any public

[1:28:14] comment on this as far as that's having it will be

[1:28:17] on the second thursday and the fourth thursday

[1:28:21] of every month we would have um that's where we would have the other

[1:28:26] meeting so do we have any comments

[1:28:33] i answered four chestnut street i'm afraid if we had a second meeting it

[1:28:38] would just end up being a second marathon

[1:28:50] thank you very much do we have any other public comments

[1:28:55] seeing nobody come forward i'm going to plug

[1:28:58] close the public comment section um and and that has been discussed thank

[1:29:03] you for sharing that because it would be so then we would have maybe two wrong

[1:29:07] meetings um

[1:29:10] i commissioners do we have a um

[1:29:14] emotion and then we can have some discussion or do we just want to go

[1:29:18] ahead and have some discussion first before we

[1:29:21] just have to schedule let's have some discussion about this

[1:29:25] can i just jump in it says for a second city commission

[1:29:29] meeting each month as necessary it doesn't mean we have to schedule it i

[1:29:35] keep thinking we're going to get to the spot where we've gotten

[1:29:39] so i think our new manager is just

[1:29:42] fantastic by the way but he's

[1:29:46] really doing a lot of ketchup all right i keep thinking we're going to get

[1:29:52] caught up eventually and maybe not need that second

[1:29:56] meeting what do you think what do you think i think it'll be a

[1:30:00] while we just added a noise

[1:30:09] [Music]

[1:30:12] um commissioner banks yeah but we got to

[1:30:15] look at it more than one way too we gotta look at it

[1:30:18] financially wait uh you know when we have these we got to have a turning to

[1:30:23] empire keep things straight

[1:30:26] so we gotta look at it that way then we

[1:30:29] gotta look at it see the workers have to come in

[1:30:33] for that time

[1:30:36] it's our time

[1:30:39] so i think we've been getting the business did maybe we just

[1:30:44] need not to get on the controversy and stay there

[1:30:49] [Music] yeah but we get on the conversation if

[1:30:52] you stay there too long i mean we had that opera we we talked

[1:30:56] about that we did discuss that and often with robert's rules on each item

[1:31:02] you know you can limit the amount of time a a commissioner can speak on an

[1:31:06] item um

[1:31:08] and so we have that opportunity to do too to do that as well that if we wanted

[1:31:13] to limit it to five minutes why don't we we've got

[1:31:16] three minutes for the audience do five minutes for commissioners now

[1:31:21] is that per item or total per item okay

[1:31:30] of time okay well i'm just going to say you know

[1:31:34] i mean it's just like tonight um things like this happen it seems like

[1:31:38] all the time the second reading of the ordinance of 2022-11 was

[1:31:43] because we didn't write it up right you know and

[1:31:47] basically um

[1:31:50] this first reading of ordinance 20 20 to 13 really

[1:31:55] is not written up the way that we had [Music]

[1:32:03] i guess what i'm going to say is um we can't get the first meeting right

[1:32:09] so why don't we try to focus on that first

[1:32:13] you know try and get the first meeting the tuesday meeting right

[1:32:18] and um and if what this says if we need another

[1:32:22] meeting that's necessary we can have a special need we don't

[1:32:26] really need to write it yes we have the ability we have that ability we have

[1:32:30] that ability now and by doing so that charles can come to the mayor and the

[1:32:35] mayor can call a special meeting or three commissioners can request that

[1:32:40] special meeting um it would have to be the three commissioners so we have that

[1:32:44] ability we do have that ability currently without having to adopt a new

[1:32:48] ordinance so

[1:32:51] yes commissioner devito sure

[1:32:53] [Music]

[1:33:05] i agree that the way to do this is not just to have

[1:33:08] another meeting um i put some thoughts on paper that i

[1:33:12] handed out to everyone i gave it to karen after the record

[1:33:15] um i think mr banks has an excellent point when he says that there is a

[1:33:21] time and money cost and staff to holding a second meeting

[1:33:28] we have a small staff and i think that just putting these

[1:33:33] things to a second meeting would be digging ourselves another hole i mean

[1:33:37] that's a time maker um

[1:33:40] what i see is that you know we talked about this when

[1:33:44] mr rudd first came on board mr red can do a tremendous amount of work

[1:33:48] and he's a very hard worker but we talked about um setting some

[1:33:53] priorities we did a strategic plan

[1:33:57] um we're a new team here but i think that

[1:34:01] we need to keep reviewing our strategic plan to

[1:34:05] make sure that an item that is brought to the

[1:34:08] commission is not advice to do that must do that it's on the strategic plan

[1:34:13] um make sure that we have all the information that an item is ready to be

[1:34:18] heard uh one thing i've asked

[1:34:21] the staff is that um

[1:34:24] the meetings are where commissioners have the only opportunity under the

[1:34:28] sunshine law and talk it's very important that the

[1:34:31] staff whatever staff are involved whether it's code or the attorney of the

[1:34:35] city manager public works that they get together and cash out all the details

[1:34:39] before it comes before us

[1:34:42] and as well there's a couple of other items in here but i really think that

[1:34:47] if we do some of these things and try to create

[1:34:51] those efficiencies that

[1:34:54] we can save ourselves time into a better job so

[1:34:58] i'm just in agreement with all of you and um

[1:35:02] i encourage you to look at the list so thank you

[1:35:06] okay um

[1:35:08] so we have an option here we can go ahead and

[1:35:15] [Music]

[1:35:25] and um i don't want to go to

[1:35:29] a another thursday simply because i already have

[1:35:33] that would be my third thursday that i'm tied up because i have one um another

[1:35:38] um that i have to do so i am i mean i i personally and with

[1:35:43] that but at the same time i'm gonna ask the commission and as the chair here i'm

[1:35:47] gonna ask you to be accountable of everybody's time

[1:35:52] and um we recommended the five minutes um maybe we don't need to do that at

[1:35:58] this time but

[1:36:01] again as the chair i'm going to ask you to be accountable and if we're not going

[1:36:05] to be accountable then we will have to do something from a time standpoint

[1:36:09] because we have audience here too and they have items that they want to hear

[1:36:13] um that they're interested in and so if we spend

[1:36:17] so much time like commissioner banks said

[1:36:20] um you know they want to get home they want

[1:36:23] to get home too so i just ask y'all that if this is going to die for lack of

[1:36:28] emotion um that we'd be cognizant of everyone's

[1:36:32] time and respectful and um okay mayor is one more thing i would like to say that

[1:36:38] that was the first thing i thought of when we

[1:36:41] talked about the second meeting before i ever served on the commission

[1:36:45] there are some people who are regular attendees here

[1:36:49] i was a very regular attendee and in addition to our time and you've

[1:36:54] mentioned there are other meetings for people who want to keep up with what's

[1:36:58] going on in the city um

[1:37:00] it's very hard on them if they have to attend tv

[1:37:04] as well as any other board meetings that they would be interested in so

[1:37:09] it's all of our time okay thank you commissioners did we have

[1:37:13] a motion

[1:37:16] yes [Music]

[1:37:26] [Laughter] okay

[1:37:31] we're going to move on now we're going to move on to

[1:37:38] first reading of ordinance 2022-14

[1:37:45] to the city of crescent city florida [Music]

[1:37:51] of crescent city for the property described as 602

[1:37:54] north summit street crescent city were also managing the little blue house and

[1:37:58] providing days

[1:38:01] mayor this is um last name you approved renewing the

[1:38:05] lease and then we subsequently discovered that that lease was done by

[1:38:08] ordinance and requires another ordinance to renew it

[1:38:12] we have written the new language such that in the future it can be done by

[1:38:15] resolution but meanwhile we need to do two readings

[1:38:18] of an ordinance to approve release

[1:38:26] there is an error in there we discovered the address is different on the

[1:38:31] ordinance versus the elise

[1:38:35] yeah one says six or two and one says 604

[1:38:39] but it's a big lot so i don't know

[1:38:52] it's twice

[1:39:06] at this time i'm going to ask if we have additional factual testimony for against

[1:39:11] seeing them come forward do we have any public input on this

[1:39:17] humble gift i'm going to close public input at this time commissioners i'm

[1:39:21] bringing it back to you do we have a motion

[1:39:23] i said it we have approved ordinance 2024-14

[1:39:28] the little blue house to the women's board

[1:39:32] i second it in the second commissioner should we

[1:39:36] have any um further discussion yeah this ordinance um just kind of

[1:39:41] reading it said where's the city of crescent city

[1:39:45] city uh florida has agreed to lease the

[1:39:49] premises as uh

[1:39:56] [Music]

[1:40:07] it says for the sole purpose of being able to provide

[1:40:10] property insurance for the structure that's the location

[1:40:15] and then i guess agreement on the next page

[1:40:19] uh kind of defines that but it really doesn't define any ordinance as being

[1:40:25] the uh

[1:40:28] we see so it shall be for five years from the

[1:40:32] date [Music]

[1:40:35] we'll um the building on premises i'm sure against casualties

[1:40:39] so i haven't just seen kind of a that state it took that statement

[1:40:44] yeah so just i just need an explanation

[1:40:49] so this i actually didn't draft this one this is just a copy of the ordinance

[1:40:53] that was done prior to but if that's a change that you

[1:40:56] want me to clarify that i mean i understand is this is this ordinance

[1:41:00] going away this ordinance

[1:41:10] for the next five years

[1:41:30] more of the least detail in the whereas qualities i i mean if you don't need

[1:41:35] that i suppose it's all right but it just seems kind of

[1:41:40] um

[1:41:59] more specifically what we're releasing

[1:42:02] no i just i mean i see the lease agreement here

[1:42:05] and the lease agreement says i guess what

[1:42:08] what i think the ordinance should say and so if you're going to sign the

[1:42:13] ordinance and then sign the lease agreement right again we'll do what

[1:42:19] i'm suggesting

[1:42:24] we put the five clauses here in the lease agreement as

[1:42:32] what we have basically is an ordinance saying that we're going to enter into a

[1:42:35] lease agreement with the women's club of little blue house

[1:42:39] and then we have the actual lease and so i guess commissioner burton you're

[1:42:44] asking that everything that's in that lease those five those five

[1:42:47] [Music]

[1:42:55] of being able um provide property insurance for the structure at

[1:42:59] the location

[1:43:03] it's

[1:43:05] i guess i guess i would say i understand

[1:43:10] is i don't know because i mean obviously i

[1:43:13] wasn't here but i'm assuming what happened is that's one of the reasons

[1:43:16] that either the women's club wanted the city to lease it so they would provide

[1:43:21] the insurance for the building because i know we do things for the insurance i

[1:43:24] think that's where that came from but i can't clarify that

[1:43:27] it doesn't really kind of clarify but this does clarify

[1:43:30] so i mean the actual lease agreement clarified

[1:43:35] we'll have that in place for five years

[1:44:01] i may be forgetting the way things work i thought that we

[1:44:06] made all the changes on first reading and that we had to

[1:44:11] pass the identical item on a second reading that we passed on first

[1:44:17] i'm mistaken about that yes you make changes when you have to

[1:44:22] advertise and make available to the public 10 days prior to the adoption of

[1:44:26] the final version of the ordinance so you have to be on the first reading with

[1:44:31] the changes to be brought back reading

[1:44:33] but that's what i'm saying don't we usually

[1:44:36] amend the whatever it is we're passing on first reading

[1:44:40] we change it yes but this is the first reading that's what we're doing right

[1:44:44] now okay we're changing making any changes that we feel need to be

[1:44:48] necessary that's what commissioner burton was just going through this

[1:44:51] but i'm not talking about what the commissioner was comments

[1:44:55] i thought i heard bobby or charles say you would make the change of second

[1:45:00] reading well for to be read in the second reading

[1:45:04] okay but we're amending it to that yeah yeah okay and that that wasn't clear

[1:45:09] and then just um i think uh should we register

[1:45:14] who is an officer where the women's club spoke to this at our last meeting i

[1:45:20] think it's in a minute um and

[1:45:24] we were asking what the history of it was and

[1:45:27] she said the city actually came to the women's

[1:45:30] club and asked them to take responsibility for the little blue house

[1:45:34] in terms of the other items in release you know

[1:45:38] taking care of the day-to-day things keeping it open as a museum blah blah

[1:45:42] and

[1:45:50] okay um

[1:45:53] for just for clarification purposes i know that we've got this date

[1:45:57] but 604 is present the women's club so the women's club is not actually they're

[1:46:03] located at a different address than the

[1:46:07] little blue house so buy-in between crescent city women's

[1:46:11] club 604 north summit street that's in the actual links agreement so it is 604

[1:46:17] and not um

[1:46:26] i'm just wondering because the woman's club that's that's it would be based on

[1:46:31] um the way the leash reads bobby is buying

[1:46:36] between crescent city women's club 604 north summit street

[1:46:40] um so you would be giving their actual mailing address

[1:46:45] but the physical address of the little blue house like

[1:46:50] yeah so the ordinance does read correct right

[1:46:54] but we're going to have the six issues okay

[1:46:57] so the ordinance does reach correct at

[1:47:07] so it used to 602.000 be it probably was at the time

[1:47:12] of course there's notes that they're

[1:47:14] on the north end of the women's club is 610

[1:47:19] and on the south side center state

[1:47:32] we can leave this the buildings

[1:47:38] [Music]

[1:47:49] meeting just to make sure that we've got all of our addresses right

[1:47:52] one more little tin tank on the lease agreement number one or it

[1:47:56] says little blue house okay and then yeah okay i'm sorry

[1:48:10] um i just always wanted to say i am a member of the crescent city club okay

[1:48:15] thank you for sharing this you're not an officer though correct no okay

[1:48:21] okay we have no more discussion all in favor

[1:48:24] we have a motion and a second all in favor of approving this on the first

[1:48:28] reading say aye aye

[1:48:41] do you want to add that to your version who made them who made the actual money

[1:48:46] all right i knew that uh we accept

[1:48:51] ordinance 22

[1:48:55] or 2022-14 their mural with at least the

[1:48:58] little blue vowel house with the corrections

[1:49:04] okay all in favor say aye all right [Music]

[1:49:14] charles we have pooled item um

[1:49:18] ordinance 2022-15 correct yes we advertised this on the good note that we

[1:49:23] pulled in and we discovered that the chain we were attempting to make in our

[1:49:27] election rules is actually in the city charter so we can't change it we do have

[1:49:31] to pass an ordinance and we want to change it but then it goes to referendum

[1:49:35] on general the general election so okay bobby

[1:49:39] if bobby in just a second and bobby if you want

[1:49:42] to kind of give us an overview for for anybody i know there's

[1:49:47] so that people you know and trying to be very transparent with

[1:49:51] this yeah so how this all came about as i was

[1:49:55] actually sitting here in the large commission meeting charles overturf

[1:49:59] emailed me and asked me to interpret the city

[1:50:02] ordinance 14-04 and in that ordinance it sets out the

[1:50:07] time frame for the qualifications of the offices within the city of crescent city

[1:50:13] and in that ordinance it says that the qualification period is only

[1:50:18] from noon on the first monday in august and ending at noon on the following

[1:50:22] friday in the year of qualifying for the election

[1:50:25] so i told him that i felt like he could give out

[1:50:28] the information but it could not be turned in

[1:50:31] only by that one week from noon monday to the end friday

[1:50:35] then so that's what we we're going to do we're going to take the front book end

[1:50:39] off where people could qualify for city elections at any time they wanted to if

[1:50:43] somebody wanted to run uh for an office that was two years out

[1:50:46] that they would be able to qualify whenever they wanted to

[1:50:49] so then we started drafting the awardness to take the front bookend off

[1:50:54] and we discovered that it was in the charter so we couldn't just do it by

[1:50:57] ordinance then recently i and i'll preface this way i don't have

[1:51:01] a lot of the election experience or anything like that i didn't realize that

[1:51:04] there were more documents that you had to turn in on the state level than just

[1:51:08] what the city asked for so then it was brought to my attention by

[1:51:13] um commissioner devito that there is a form

[1:51:17] and correct me if i'm wrong i think it's dsde9 which allows the candidate

[1:51:23] to open a campaign account appoint a treasurer spend money and raise money

[1:51:28] um so then we had a conversation about that

[1:51:32] and i have made a legal recommendation that our city charter

[1:51:38] does not contemplate the financial document the des de 9

[1:51:42] so it's my legal opinion that a person can start raising money as long as they

[1:51:46] turn that into the supervisor of elections prior to that monday in august

[1:51:51] the only thing that must be turned in in august is either the 25 petitions that

[1:51:55] you have to get or five percent of the salary

[1:51:58] um to qualify as well as a i believe it's a sworn statement of office there's

[1:52:04] three requirements that are laid out in the charter so one thing that the

[1:52:07] commission is going to have to decide at some point is if we're going to accept

[1:52:12] that dsve9 as our sworn affidavit of office or we're going to come up with

[1:52:17] something else but i am of the opinion which i'll relay to

[1:52:21] um

[1:52:24] supervisor elections mr overture that as soon as tomorrow people can

[1:52:29] start qualifying as far as the raising spend the

[1:52:33] money part okay so that's how we ended up in the situation so we thought there

[1:52:37] was a problem that may not have been a problem the entire time the only thing i

[1:52:41] do recommend is that i think it should be clarified uh we should clear up so

[1:52:45] this confusion doesn't happen again in the future that our charter is only

[1:52:49] contemplating the two requirements uh that the city requires for you to run

[1:52:54] but nothing we're not restricting anything that the state requires you to

[1:52:58] use okay so in in talking to mr overture

[1:53:03] um the appointment of the campaign

[1:53:05] treasurer that is that

[1:53:08] dsde9 form that he's referring to and that's what he was thinking

[1:53:13] that would be the qualifier that would be the qualifier initially

[1:53:18] um now in looking at this he's saying that

[1:53:22] the appointment of the campaign treasure reform and that's what you would do is

[1:53:27] you have to fill that out you have to turn it into supervisor of

[1:53:32] elections and then you take it to the bank and

[1:53:36] then you set up your bank account he will go ahead and he can accept that

[1:53:42] and then he also has the statement of the candidate and that statement of the

[1:53:46] candidate he can accept that as well and that's up to 10 days after

[1:53:52] um you've

[1:53:54] turned in that dsde9 form so he said he can accept those two

[1:54:00] um prior to that noonday

[1:54:04] monday after that then your candidate statement

[1:54:09] and your oath that's what he would accept in

[1:54:13] august in the qualifying

[1:54:16] you turn that in you would turn in your petitions but he said because you

[1:54:21] already have the petitions you can have those dated prior to that

[1:54:25] you would turn in your form one which is your financial disclosure statement of

[1:54:30] financial interest you would have to turn in by state law

[1:54:34] that same week that qualifying week your one percent fee

[1:54:39] um that the state requires or you're asking um for a waiver of that financial

[1:54:44] financial hardship waiver and then we the city have an additional form that we

[1:54:50] fill out and it's the city of crescent city qualification statement

[1:54:55] and that basically also says who you are that you're going that you're going to

[1:54:59] the office you're running for and what you're that you're willing to serve if

[1:55:03] you're elected so he said

[1:55:06] those he will accept that week okay but prior to that but you cannot

[1:55:13] raise any money and we have to be clear about that you cannot raise any money

[1:55:18] until you've submitted that appointment for a

[1:55:22] campaign treasurer that dsde9 form

[1:55:26] he did say also that he would come down

[1:55:29] some people might want to go up to his office and get these forms but we the

[1:55:34] commission can set a time and date when he can have a kind of a

[1:55:40] election 101

[1:55:42] and and have these available for candidates to to pick up at that time to

[1:55:47] go over the documents with them um

[1:55:51] and so

[1:55:54] so there we have it that statement of candidates that's the second form he

[1:55:58] said he would accept and you have to do that within 10 days after you file the

[1:56:02] first form or at the same time oftentimes they do it at the same time

[1:56:06] he said that's the one that basically says you've been given all the rules

[1:56:10] you've been given all the forms you've been given everything um required for an

[1:56:15] election and you've and um and they have they haven't filled that

[1:56:19] thank you so much for that

[1:56:22] so well it's well it's we just needed some clarification and so we're not

[1:56:27] going to have we don't have an ordinance on it so at that time but we did need

[1:56:31] some clarification so

[1:56:34] that take care of it for everybody it doesn't except that

[1:56:38] okay so

[1:56:41] the last meeting this was introduced or brought up by you

[1:56:47] i think during the city manager's report just as a verbal report

[1:56:52] i really wasn't sure what you were saying and the information passed

[1:56:58] between i guess from mr overturf to you to the city manager

[1:57:02] to the city attorney everything was done verbally

[1:57:06] the problem i see with that is that that information ideally

[1:57:13] if there was a significant problem with our election or election process

[1:57:18] um sorry the captain just ran up

[1:57:23] everything's okay but anyway ideally um these communications would be put down

[1:57:28] in writing and should have been shared with all the commissioners so that we

[1:57:31] could all know what the problem was um and i think

[1:57:35] if that had happened we could have figured this out

[1:57:38] quite a bit sooner but anyway that's water under the bridge but um i think

[1:57:42] that's really okay the way it should have happened because

[1:57:45] all commissioners should be able to inform

[1:57:48] and know what the situation and putting it in writing prevents those

[1:57:53] miscommunications and misunderstanding

[1:57:58] okay thank you so that item has been pulled we also have the next one that

[1:58:03] has pulled

[1:58:05] uh i guess the next two have been pulled at

[1:58:07] this time mayor 22 16 was pulled uh cause we have to advertise these so

[1:58:12] early talk with our planner needs to go to

[1:58:15] planning and zoning for their recommendation so we'll come back to you

[1:58:18] with their recommendation and 2217 was pulled because um writing studying

[1:58:25] write my cover memo i realized we're actually creating a new chapter chapter

[1:58:28] 21 for special events and and striking

[1:58:32] certain parts of chapter three we didn't advertise it that way so we have to make

[1:58:36] sure they advertise

[1:58:40] thank you very much so now we're going to move on to

[1:58:43] resolution number 2022-01

[1:58:50] there is a resolution of the city commission of the city of crescent city

[1:58:53] designating the city on the property beach

[1:58:58] and the like stella boat ramp this lake

[1:59:01] still apart providing for authorization providing the third objective

[1:59:06] here this item we talked about actually several months ago

[1:59:09] to name the area between the program and the parking lot and extra beach as lake

[1:59:16] style park

[1:59:20] okay i'm going to open this up for additional

[1:59:23] factions hopefully

[1:59:27] i don't need to do that i guess

[1:59:35] we have any public input and this is that area

[1:59:38] um from dexter beach over to the boat ramp correct and we would just be giving

[1:59:44] it a specific name

[1:59:53] apart does that change [Music]

[2:00:11] stella park it's actually called that in our redevelopment plan um so it's just

[2:00:15] uh we had some events recently

[2:00:20] place over there by the boat ramp so this way

[2:00:24] okay do we have any other um comments public comments

[2:00:29] this time i'm gonna close public comments on this commissioner we have

[2:00:32] our resolution to name this the lake stella park

[2:00:36] do you have a motion okay we have a motion do i have a second

[2:00:40] oh second okay we have a motion and a second

[2:00:44] do we have any discussion yes yes sir go ahead

[2:00:47] well one of my special needs i i don't know but chris said i always had a

[2:00:51] problem with pocket now if we

[2:00:56] classify that as a talk okay we're going and we do want to have

[2:01:02] a lot of festivities

[2:01:06] we need to make a parking lot uh he's a bad piece of property jason

[2:01:11] so we can pay vision and have pockets

[2:01:15] we don't have enough pockets just a little festivity that we have in now

[2:01:19] is a big problem uh

[2:01:22] i rise by there and just uh we're just sad to go

[2:01:28] but the people in the park and don't be in the room he was all on the grass

[2:01:32] that's right aggressive wouldn't fit in line all that beauty gonna be gone

[2:01:36] so maybe the city needs to look at buying

[2:01:39] some property what close by

[2:01:45] for park america

[2:02:02] if we go ahead and classify that part it's going to have larger events

[2:02:07] now i'm not saying i'm looking for the name change it's all right

[2:02:12] but we got to look at it for more than one way too we gotta look at it

[2:02:16] it's gonna take care of pockets

[2:02:20] that you don't hold before the car the motion don't get in

[2:02:24] there and if people be all in the right

[2:02:27] roadway when you go

[2:02:31] no we're old nephew department you really

[2:02:35] don't want you to park there yeah right

[2:02:40] you know it's not mo

[2:02:43] i don't really care but on the south here

[2:02:48] where the biggest people focus their health

[2:02:51] and sadly it was those the cars on the grass

[2:02:56] that gonna spawn a beauty that's all i'm trying to say

[2:03:01] yeah before the name change is all right

[2:03:05] well we need to concentrate on where can we get

[2:03:09] the biggest apartment yes sir but it always always

[2:03:15] been a parking spot probably in christmas eve

[2:03:25] so well the special events process we're proposing

[2:03:29] we'll be forced to look at that and tell the applicant the event

[2:03:32] how are you going to deal with parking so we'll actually be able to address

[2:03:36] that formally and we can also look at opportunities

[2:03:40] off-site for working as well

[2:03:44] commissioner

[2:03:47] thank you mayor um

[2:03:49] well commissioner banks has kind of raised the issues that i want to

[2:03:54] bring up um

[2:03:58] this land is actually zoned current zoning and in the future

[2:04:04] landings now the conservation land and

[2:04:08] the staff report on this issue has always said well

[2:04:13] you can have a park in conservation land

[2:04:17] because the conservation zoning description

[2:04:22] says that parks are allowed but i do not feel that that is accurate

[2:04:27] and i gave you a little

[2:04:30] write up on this i'm quoting directly from the zoning

[2:04:35] category language it doesn't just say parks

[2:04:40] the conservation zone says lands designated as conservation allows

[2:04:46] uses which are consistent with the primary goal of preserving natural

[2:04:51] habitat use potential of these areas is limited

[2:04:56] to natural open space limited

[2:04:59] recreation use and resource protection within the conservation district the

[2:05:06] following uses shall apply and it says permitted uses a and b

[2:05:12] and it names local county or state forest

[2:05:16] parks and preserves public and private wildlife management

[2:05:20] areas so it's not just any type of park

[2:05:25] and the dictionary there's a whole variety of parks you can have an

[2:05:29] industrial park you can have a vault a ballpark we have a dog park

[2:05:36] the zoning category said parks that are focused on preservation

[2:05:43] the staff memo for a couple of meetings has said

[2:05:46] well conservation zoning is the only category that allows

[2:05:51] a park and that's apparently not true because

[2:05:54] we have many other parks in the city and their zoning is either recreation

[2:06:00] or public buildings

[2:06:04] and views that are

[2:06:06] it's not the word park that is controlling

[2:06:10] they're in zoning that deals with the nature of the activity that occurs there

[2:06:14] like recreation or whatever so here we have conservation lab

[2:06:19] and commissioner banks has observed

[2:06:24] that this area is being used for parking when we had cups kids and kayaks the

[2:06:30] other day it was used for parking there have been music events there that

[2:06:36] i don't think they really fit into the actual zoning

[2:06:40] but in addition the area has been used for parking and

[2:06:43] it's supposed to be conservation so um

[2:06:48] i i just i think this is

[2:06:51] leading us a bit in the wrong direction and i don't know if y'all

[2:06:55] i mean commissioner burton several months ago

[2:07:00] said that she did not want this to be conservation land she wanted it to be

[2:07:04] used and somehow naming this apart

[2:07:10] seems to be a backdoor way to change the zone somehow

[2:07:16] but anyway

[2:07:17] i'm i'm just saying we're here let's be careful here well i'm saying speaking if

[2:07:22] there is an objective i'm not sure whatever so

[2:07:27] yeah mr burton uses the park but in a very conservation manner

[2:07:33] um i also think that it's okay to have a

[2:07:39] nice little music festival i shouldn't say festival

[2:07:44] uh but a sunset uh music van there in gazebo

[2:07:50] uh it's actually very delightful uh commissioner burton also realizes

[2:07:56] that there is a issue there and we've discussed it

[2:08:00] um charles and myself and my team on

[2:08:05] how the different ways that we might correct that

[2:08:09] but we have to be given the opportunity to put those plans in place

[2:08:13] and hopefully next year when we come back with our

[2:08:16] sunset and stella we will have that opportunity to show

[2:08:20] you that we will be parking place people in the right place

[2:08:25] and and us they will not be on the grass but we need that opportunity

[2:08:30] to only get better and hopefully

[2:08:33] um that's that's really what it's all about so to name it like cell's heart is

[2:08:39] really just to make it a more friendly kind of name you know just come to

[2:08:43] lifestyle apart um that's really what it is

[2:08:47] and and you know we're also looking to put in a

[2:08:51] bird walk uh through crescent city not only in

[2:08:56] lake stella that's as far as the conservation i

[2:09:00] think is very important and saturday i hope that commissioner

[2:09:05] deville will come in learn about that and how much that they help conservation

[2:09:10] throughout uh

[2:09:12] a couple different places so

[2:09:16] you know i'm not sure where she's going with this i understand what she's saying

[2:09:20] conservation is very important i take it to heart

[2:09:24] but i also think that you can use an area and conserve it all at the same

[2:09:30] time okay

[2:09:33] thank you we have any further discussion because i'm ready to i'm ready to take

[2:09:36] this to a vote if we have no other discussion we've kind of

[2:09:39] gone over this and gone over this and gone over this so okay

[2:09:43] we've never actually discussed the zoning in detail

[2:09:46] um i got an email today that was addressed to

[2:09:50] the commissioner commission and honorable mayor meyers but it only had

[2:09:54] my email on it my city email it was from um

[2:09:59] i think melissa uh

[2:10:02] okay did everybody get one of these i brought copies in case she didn't

[2:10:06] because it's a dress

[2:10:12] it wasn't undressed

[2:10:22] okay

[2:10:31] okay i'm fine i'm good i'm good i just read it when i gave it to before i gave

[2:10:35] it to commissioner banks i'm sharing with you

[2:10:38] so she's not here she's got a birthday party

[2:10:41] um okay with that

[2:10:45] commissioners do we have any further discussion

[2:10:48] um yes

[2:10:50] i do um melissa

[2:10:54] when we had a workshop or hearing or whatever it was

[2:10:57] um she had the suggestion at the time that

[2:11:02] we if we're gonna name it that we name it

[2:11:05] lake stella conservation area or lake stella conservation park

[2:11:10] and i think that's a very good idea because it reflects the actual downing

[2:11:17] so it would be my suggestion that we take first suggestion okay

[2:11:22] thank you thank you very much um right now we have a motion and we have a

[2:11:26] second to name this lake stella park so all in favor say aye aye

[2:11:33] all opposed nay no

[2:11:36] okay you've

[2:11:41] thank you very much

[2:11:44] let's go to resolution 2022-04 a resolution of the city of crescent

[2:11:49] city florida establishing

[2:11:57] [Music]

[2:12:04] and actually there was a discussion about hours way back

[2:12:08] what goes on in the park and dusk is not an impossible

[2:12:12] time to close the park and then the other issue is that we have

[2:12:16] uh several parks have lights so we have a

[2:12:19] student have a lighted uh baseball field a lot of tennis courts and so forth so

[2:12:25] uh we would not be able to use them after dark even though we have lights so

[2:12:28] our recommendation is that those signs and the park hours be

[2:12:32] open currently they say closed dust to 6 a.m

[2:12:36] we change to say open 6 a.m to 9 p.m

[2:12:42] this time i'm going to open it up for any additional factual testimony for

[2:12:46] against open it up for public comment do we have

[2:12:50] any public comment on this

[2:12:54] please if you come forward state your name and your address

[2:12:59] this is nike cedar street um i told you before i walk the trail so i

[2:13:05] take care of the trash at the lake and i noticed that the sign for dexter park

[2:13:10] was on the floor so i leaned against the fence and i was gone so i broke somebody

[2:13:15] took care of that sign and the problem that i'm finding is

[2:13:21] the trash and i don't know i i know there's a lot

[2:13:24] of parents with kids and stuff i don't know if we can have something pick up

[2:13:30] your trash after you live live or something like that because it's getting

[2:13:35] into the water and like if i walk every day i think there's no problem it goes

[2:13:40] into the trash we have plenty of trash cans that's not a problem i think the

[2:13:46] parents just need to be responsible for their islands thank you okay thank you

[2:13:51] very much we haven't any other i don't think it's

[2:13:55] all kids throwing drugs

[2:14:03] [Music]

[2:14:09] because i said this i think last month i didn't

[2:14:15] have anything to say about naming the park

[2:14:17] but that's not what you all talked about for 10 minutes you talked about

[2:14:20] conservation and use of a piece of land not about native park i had something to

[2:14:25] say about that

[2:14:29] and i'll just play and say it now maybe well some of us are worried about

[2:14:35] conservation a little strip of land you have tilled up all of the soil

[2:14:41] planted the hair grass

[2:14:45] poured a concrete sidewalk there's nothing to conserve

[2:14:51] the only thing to conserve is in the lake

[2:14:54] the wetland the grass that's in the lake and we're not going to be parking or

[2:14:59] doing anything on that

[2:15:03] to say that [Music]

[2:15:07] only a park can be an only conservation land

[2:15:10] that's not what was said what was said was that the only thing

[2:15:14] you can do on conservation land is have a park it doesn't have to be

[2:15:19] conservation land to be a park but this congress conservation land

[2:15:25] it can only be a park did i say that [Music]

[2:15:29] so um

[2:15:32] and we're all worried about

[2:15:35] uh go look at the grass

[2:15:40] we parked there for three or four events uh in the last month or two and there's

[2:15:44] nothing wrong with the grass we don't have a parking problem

[2:15:48] for an event that's going to have 20 people at that little gazebo

[2:15:53] yeah the town doesn't have a parking parking problem

[2:15:58] but again if we could move these the public comment to a point where we've

[2:16:01] actually got something to say or let's keep the meeting

[2:16:07] keep the comments on the motion one point a minute ago we

[2:16:11] talked about how long these meetings go that's because we talk about everything

[2:16:15] under the sun during while we're supposed to be

[2:16:18] talking about the motion so uh that would fix that

[2:16:23] so there's two in one thank you thank you very much

[2:16:28] okay anybody else any other comments thank you commissioners

[2:16:34] okay i'm a fisherman i want to get my boat out five o'clock in the morning but

[2:16:39] i can't take it out in the park until six

[2:16:42] is that gonna be a problem well the ramp the ramps

[2:16:48] i don't think this really covers the ramp there's no hours at the ramp

[2:16:52] you drop your boat park your truck and go

[2:16:56] so i don't see this company fishermen sometimes like our crappie

[2:16:59] nights they go in they they'll go most of the night our person will do the

[2:17:03] same thing to be misconstrued

[2:17:07] actually occupy the park prior to 6am

[2:17:20] neil nelson sunrise park yes

[2:17:25] the lawyers got an argument could be made both ways

[2:17:30] okay i didn't even think about that to use the ramp before system well maybe

[2:17:34] if we just excluding programs or something like a small change where

[2:17:38] there's no ambiguity nobody

[2:17:43] what you have what you have over at marjory neal is um

[2:17:48] you have to have two categories over there you have those people that are

[2:17:52] coming and going with their boats that are parking the boats there and then you

[2:17:55] have the people that visit and sit over in the gazebo

[2:17:59] so we have to figure out how we want to address

[2:18:02] or if y'all don't think it'd be a problem

[2:18:06] um i think it'd be no problem in the past could you add some language to the

[2:18:11] to the resolution can we add resolution to the

[2:18:15] language to this that said that those that are

[2:18:19] launching or what's the correct word for loading

[2:18:24] their boats it's not applicable to them

[2:18:34] because basically you're not going to see them until they come in

[2:18:51] big park and i visit other parks

[2:18:55] and i think that this is going to create some

[2:18:58] problems for us and i looked at what other parks do

[2:19:04] i have a question for the city manager because

[2:19:09] um i'm not understanding why well maybe the

[2:19:13] word dusk is you think it's not legally enforceable

[2:19:19] the captain captain astrid said dusk is a matter of opinion

[2:19:23] well interpretation okay we'll just just wait a minute here because i've looked

[2:19:28] up parks all over the state in the state of florida all the parks in

[2:19:33] our area duns creek um

[2:19:38] well stephen foster full cultural park i think we'll be in the claw creek park

[2:19:43] um they all close at sundown

[2:19:46] or sunset um i think

[2:19:53] actually in the traffic statute um

[2:19:58] you have they define twilight twilight show me

[2:20:01] the time between sunset and full night that's when you have to have your lights

[2:20:05] on so dusk might be uh maybe a little

[2:20:09] difficult but sunset is

[2:20:13] a legal standard in the florida statutes and as well sunset times

[2:20:18] are clearly available on the weather channel

[2:20:21] department of agriculture website so

[2:20:26] what many cities do is they have and this speaks to boats

[2:20:31] and in addition to the fishing boats i would say the kayaks

[2:20:36] for specific areas that are lighted i notice

[2:20:40] [Music] for example in interlocking their tennis

[2:20:44] courts are open until 9 00 pm we could

[2:20:50] specifically exempt launching of boats and kayaks or coming

[2:20:54] in of votes and kayaks but i think we're going to have a

[2:20:58] problem because all of our parks are not lighted and

[2:21:01] most of our parks are in residential areas

[2:21:05] in our parks so in the winter

[2:21:08] people will be there for it's going to be dark from six to

[2:21:11] nine when it's dark

[2:21:14] um there's all kind of things that go on in

[2:21:18] our parks we've had vandalism um we have drinking

[2:21:22] in evil lions park there's empty fists of liquor

[2:21:27] whatever we have people who are homeless if um we have people playing around

[2:21:32] music the people who live on west grand london sometimes have a problem with

[2:21:37] people a local business told me that there's

[2:21:40] different kinds of

[2:21:43] dealing over there so to me

[2:21:46] um i think that it should be

[2:21:50] specifically sunset which is a legal standard um except for the specific park

[2:21:56] areas that are like the tennis court the alliance okay and the ball field and

[2:22:01] then we can also address the buttons okay thank you

[2:22:06] commissioner burton

[2:22:11] however okay i'm not sure exactly where you would post that every day

[2:22:17] so that somebody knows what time you got to come in or

[2:22:20] what time you

[2:22:24] [Music]

[2:22:28] um so i just think it would be easier to

[2:22:31] set sometimes some some solid times to open and close it's just easier

[2:22:38] and you have your winter hours your summer hours because summer goes longer

[2:22:44] winter shorter and and

[2:22:47] that's very clear okay to our sheriff and our

[2:22:52] his deputies but time to

[2:22:55] close things up and people should be in there after those certain hours

[2:23:01] that's why i feel about it okay yeah

[2:23:08] hours use of boat ramps shall be permitted

[2:23:12] i think it would be early enough it would be firing to 5 a.m

[2:23:19] well it just depends because some of them are coming in some of them come in

[2:23:22] at one o'clock you've got people out there shrimping and they'll shrimp all

[2:23:25] you know they'll shrink most of night so i think at 24 7 i mean 24 hours a day

[2:23:31] you should be able to allow to get your vote in and out of there and if you get

[2:23:35] what happens if you break down out there and all of a sudden you're you're being

[2:23:38] towed in and it's two o'clock in the morning there's a deputy sitting there

[2:23:42] you know and you

[2:23:44] yeah here's something else i have a friend

[2:23:48] that her room has a kayak they like to do a moon might run occasionally

[2:23:55] if the water the weather is pretty it's gorgeous out but this would restrict

[2:24:00] that too yeah

[2:24:01] so if we just put something in there about launching of kayaks

[2:24:06] and kayaks and a recreational you know 24 hours but the rest of it where people

[2:24:12] are sitting around

[2:24:22] [Music]

[2:24:27] is because there's about a two and a half hour swing

[2:24:31] during the course of the year and

[2:24:34] sunset is a very definable standard and i think it's common sense for law

[2:24:41] enforcement um

[2:24:43] that they're not going to we don't even arrest people we trespass

[2:24:48] them or ask them to leave but

[2:24:51] all of our well not all but the majority of our parks are in residential

[2:24:54] neighborhoods having people there i mean we want to

[2:24:58] give people full use while it's light and in lighted areas but having people

[2:25:03] there while it's

[2:25:05] dark is just asking

[2:25:08] for trouble it's hard enough we only have really

[2:25:13] one officer on duty at a time and

[2:25:17] i just think this is a problem if we say sunset which the state of

[2:25:22] florida uses and other towns use

[2:25:27] we are supposed to post that and certainly

[2:25:31] that lets deputies know that when it's pitch dark the people aren't supposed to

[2:25:34] be there i think in state parks that i've ever gone to

[2:25:38] you know when it's sun when the sun is setting that's your time to pack up the

[2:25:42] home um but certainly when it goes from

[2:25:45] sunset to dark that is that's a pretty bright line

[2:25:49] and okay

[2:25:58] [Music]

[2:26:04] that we should accept the specific lighted areas like the tennis court for

[2:26:09] the ballpark and as well be launching and

[2:26:14] coming in i don't know what words you use for that

[2:26:17] for votes and um boats and kayaks and we want to cover

[2:26:23] okay

[2:26:27] do you have a suggestion i do uh we don't have a motion yet one thing um

[2:26:31] yeah about the boat raft say something like i don't know if it's the right term

[2:26:35] launching slash retrieving the watercraft from boat ramps has committed

[2:26:38] 24 hours per day but i thought on the other point um if

[2:26:42] we were to say it's

[2:26:45] it's uh i think this is not too complicated six

[2:26:49] a.m to nine pm april through september i was thinking

[2:26:52] at least six a.m to six pm

[2:26:57] yeah um october to march or you

[2:27:08] [Music] well then we're gonna have to change it

[2:27:10] anyway because then we'll be lit up till nine o'clock anyway so so we'll have to

[2:27:15] this will have to come back to us again so but i understand what you're saying i

[2:27:19] was thinking the same thing that that would be a way to alleviate that yes sir

[2:27:23] commissioner banks well let me say that here we go beating the dead once again

[2:27:27] i don't know now uh look

[2:27:30] i think a problem is do we have with the box now

[2:27:36] we it depends on who you ask they're very

[2:27:40] quiet it's been very quiet um no not exactly we have people

[2:27:45] sleeping in the parks drinking in the parks

[2:27:48] driving their cars and the parks after dark i'm basically speaking about the

[2:27:52] time

[2:27:56] you know you can't control everything people does in the park

[2:28:01] because you ain't got the number offers they sit out there and watch

[2:28:06] okay but what we're trying to do here now

[2:28:08] come up with a time just to make it enforceable for them

[2:28:15] [Music] and we're going back to the top and we

[2:28:19] ain't going nowhere well charles has made a record

[2:28:23] charles has made a recommendation so commissioners i'm going to ask with his

[2:28:26] recommendation does anybody want to make a motion to accept his suggestions

[2:28:31] i know that we accept charles new suggestion for the parks april to

[2:28:36] september and then october

[2:28:42] okay we have a motion we have a second do we have any further discussion

[2:28:47] all in favor say aye aye all opposed nay

[2:29:01] [Music]

[2:29:05] okay

[2:29:08] okay with that we're going to go ahead and

[2:29:11] open up charles i'm going to turn it over to you with our business items

[2:29:15] well the first item is

[2:29:20] um present two thousand enforcement

[2:29:24] cases that are coming to you from

[2:29:43] like

[2:29:51] make your wife

[2:30:02] [Music]

[2:30:30] is

[2:30:44] okay let's go this was um

[2:30:51] zero seven zero two zero four the address is 40 east grand london

[2:30:56] violations for chapter chapter 10. section 10

[2:31:01] 20 23 27 and 28. this was a property we sent a demand

[2:31:06] letter notifying we were going to go to foreclosure

[2:31:09] this is a copy of the codes

[2:31:14] first word uh first violation was first observed in november of 2006

[2:31:21] with a notice of code violation going to the property owner

[2:31:25] yes three code the latest was may 24th

[2:31:32] 2022

[2:31:35] fight approved for 5465 days at 25 a day april 10th

[2:31:43] 2007 to march 27th 2022 total flight approved 136

[2:31:50] 625 affidavit compliance was filed march

[2:31:54] 28th 2022 received requests for the reduction

[2:32:01] on april 7th 202. in february of 2022 the city attorney

[2:32:08] sent a demand letter to foreclose on the uh quick enforcement lane

[2:32:17] two pictures that i took one was on march 10

[2:32:22] and once one was may 18th park the owner has gone in and secured

[2:32:27] the building

[2:32:31] she's here we'd like to speak to her

[2:32:36] staff recommendation was to reduce the fine to a thousand dollars payable

[2:32:40] within 30 days of today's meeting the heirs of many families requested

[2:32:46] that finding the bond be reduced to zero

[2:32:50] and on may 24th 2022 the code enforcement board recommendation

[2:32:55] is the supply to be reduced to zero

[2:32:59] and uh ron whoever is here if you'd like to

[2:33:02] speak okay

[2:33:07] um

[2:33:09] it's just been going on for five years yes okay now hear me out okay

[2:33:16] um first thing that was a lot of years where

[2:33:26] [Music]

[2:33:33] [Music]

[2:33:41] [Music]

[2:33:55] 15 years to really sit there in bad shape

[2:34:10] but when is the house really in compliance

[2:34:14] when when

[2:34:16] [Music]

[2:34:20] so what's the next step this case was from 2007

[2:34:26] i don't have

[2:34:29] very much paperwork on it

[2:34:33] there was another building on this property that was the original violation

[2:34:36] and not this house

[2:34:41] i believe the [Music]

[2:34:43] building was taken down probably years ago and the city didn't

[2:34:48] close the closed case

[2:34:51] there's nothing in the file that says they ever made a re-inspection after the

[2:34:55] code enforcement hearings um so i don't have anything to go on except for i've

[2:35:01] seen myself this is 15 years later like what's that

[2:35:05] but what is it when was this house built this house that we're looking at now

[2:35:09] that's not in compliance to

[2:35:20] how long i don't know i know it wasn't built in 2022

[2:35:32] first we need to establish um

[2:35:36] miss burton that

[2:35:38] defines or inaccurate they were not correct

[2:35:42] um when we received the letter from their

[2:35:45] attorney that we didn't even know fines were

[2:35:48] going on the property because what was asked my father built some buildings was

[2:35:55] building additional apartments and he never finished him and we were asked to

[2:36:00] tear them down and we complied with what was asked to do to tear them down

[2:36:06] so after that

[2:36:10] the only thing that you could say that we did not do as

[2:36:14] far as is keep up the property but the timeline of saying that

[2:36:19] um that was not taking care of everything that we were asked to do

[2:36:23] we it was taken care of barshare was the code enforcement officer

[2:36:28] another incident that was taking place is that when the officers

[2:36:32] were after a suspect that

[2:36:37] and we were asked to clean that up so and that's the that's the next thing

[2:36:43] but what took place is that these files were never closed

[2:36:47] back but we took care of when we were asked

[2:36:51] to do something we took care of it and i i think i understand that i just

[2:36:56] don't understand how city that's us can keep this thing wrong

[2:37:01] okay and when really um from 2007

[2:37:07] at some point you know

[2:37:10] you got to step in i mean what's our what's our procedure

[2:37:14] when do when we go to border here we aren't we hearing the fine reduction not

[2:37:20] i mean shouldn't this be a different item on the agenda

[2:37:24] doesn't pass history yeah no yes we are now

[2:37:31] excuse me sir i'm gonna ask you to

[2:37:36] go ahead oh no i was just saying that

[2:37:40] um i didn't understand what you're saying

[2:37:43] you know it's crazy and but like i said when i

[2:37:46] i'm concerned about all of the folks that

[2:37:51] are in our situation that have a fire going on

[2:37:55] that did not know what fine was going on

[2:37:59] um and this was prior to her getting here

[2:38:02] so and that needs to be noted that these are five this there is a case way

[2:38:08] long before she took this position so we've had we had um michael was in

[2:38:14] between share bob share and and pam too so this is

[2:38:18] three code enforcement officers okay yes and so that's that is why we're asking

[2:38:23] it to be reduced we have requested that it be reduced to zero because i mean we

[2:38:28] shouldn't be penalized for something that we did not know that we were

[2:38:32] unaware of okay and pam you haven't been able to find anything in your file

[2:38:36] showing that it was the proper documentation is that correct

[2:38:41] no there's no documentation um the only thing i didn't find

[2:38:45] um

[2:38:47] there was an issue with permits but i checked with the building

[2:38:51] department and there were not any permits pulled

[2:38:54] but like ms glover stated in the code

[2:38:57] enforcement hearing the city just wanted the building taken

[2:39:01] down so they just did what they had to do to be in compliance

[2:39:06] the house is there now was not the issue back in 2007. okay okay correct yeah i'm

[2:39:12] living in that house yes yes because at that time my

[2:39:16] stepmother was living there and my father and he passed away the end of

[2:39:20] 2006 and then my niece moved there

[2:39:24] and um and i don't know anything i've noticed on there about abandoned cars

[2:39:28] we've never had any cars there okay so [Music]

[2:39:32] yeah that makes sense

[2:39:34] yeah

[2:39:40] and again that's on us and that's something else we're going to have to

[2:39:43] deal with we'll deal with that we don't need to deal with that

[2:39:46] [Music] a different time right now we've got

[2:39:49] this on in front of us um i do want to ask you this as far as

[2:39:54] you're not the sole owner of this correct no so you have you have to

[2:39:58] decisions have to be made with that and and i mean and we want it's been in our

[2:40:03] family it was my great grandmother's home and um

[2:40:08] so it's been in our family for a long time and we're hoping that we can figure

[2:40:12] out to some way to restore the house or to do

[2:40:16] um something we're you know uh with the home are just tearing down okay so we're

[2:40:22] we are we're not just um ignoring it but we

[2:40:26] that's what we're hoping to do okay thank you commissioner vida you had a

[2:40:30] comment um yes you had a question you asked it so which is what is the

[2:40:36] relationship of miss glover you're one of the maddie fabian heirs yes okay

[2:40:40] so um

[2:40:42] in your materials and i think i remember this

[2:40:47] i wasn't there another issue with the

[2:40:50] house or with the property about cleanup and this is really a question for

[2:40:55] miss taylor wasn't there a mowing issue were there

[2:41:00] fines that approved in 2019 relating to the mowings

[2:41:04] in 2019 right miss glover's because i think i remember it maybe you've been

[2:41:08] coming to the commission i don't know maybe there's a picture

[2:41:14] well it says in 2019 it was brought that um there was concern and they requested

[2:41:19] that the property be cleaned up and if the issue was taken care of right but

[2:41:23] usually i'm just i'm just curious why i mean it's had

[2:41:28] issues over the years there's no administrative fee

[2:41:31] um obviously 136 000

[2:41:37] costs in your package okay the code enforcement board said

[2:41:41] they did not want to oppose the cost

[2:41:49] the administrative costs why did they choose not to impose the administrative

[2:41:52] costs when when that's kind of something that

[2:41:55] we've spoken to them before about they felt

[2:41:59] that it was a fair thing to do

[2:42:03] okay okay

[2:42:06] all right and mayor i would just like to say one thing as far as why custody does

[2:42:10] what it does miss taylor has only been working here okay we're not you've

[2:42:14] already called pulling moyer on that and we've decided that we're not going to

[2:42:17] discuss this further until i think there's no city employee sitting at this

[2:42:22] standing of the podium or sitting at the table that worked here with any of this

[2:42:25] one right we understand that thank you

[2:42:29] okay commissioners do we have any other questions

[2:42:33] i do have one more comment yes when i bring a case to the code enforcement

[2:42:38] board and then to the commission the

[2:42:41] request for fine reduction states that the property has to be in compliance

[2:42:47] this house was not the issue back in 2007 but they had to do something to

[2:42:52] bring it secure to bring it before you tonight and they

[2:42:57] did that and they didn't do that there's pictures in your packet that this

[2:43:00] plumber submitted to me that i i passed along

[2:43:05] okay okay commissioners so you're saying that

[2:43:09] this house has been incomplete there was another house that was not there was

[2:43:14] another building so that was the one that was not in compliance this one's

[2:43:17] been in compliance very long that's what you're saying

[2:43:20] it's not based on compliance all along but it's in compliance before i took it

[2:43:24] to the source report once you were noticed on it

[2:43:29] you brought it into compliance and you closed it up you shorted out

[2:43:33] and you didn't show it up but you yes and and like those fines are on

[2:43:39] another building it that that's running on the um

[2:43:45] the additional buildings that my father had built that we were

[2:43:49] asked to tear down oh not anything to do with this house

[2:43:55] okay

[2:43:58] no we don't have a motion yet you can make a connection

[2:44:02] okay and there's a reason for that um i would

[2:44:06] well i'm not sure what i should i guess provided that it remains in compliance

[2:44:12] until the administrative costs are paid um i would move that we

[2:44:17] take the code board's recommendation to waive

[2:44:20] the liens and reduce the lands to zero

[2:44:25] but that the administrative class should be imposed

[2:44:29] and i say the administrative plus because

[2:44:33] the house has had to come or the property has had to come before the code

[2:44:38] of course by board and the officer has had to take some action

[2:44:42] so i think it's fair to require payment of the administrative

[2:44:47] fee just because if there has been

[2:44:50] a certain amount of slippage and code enforcement has had to take action

[2:44:55] and but the

[2:44:57] lien or decline reduced to viewers okay when you with

[2:45:00] your motion i just want to bring to your attention that's the part of that

[2:45:04] administrative um include dates back to 06 which was on

[2:45:09] the building that was brought into compliance that we have negated the um

[2:45:14] finance so you might want to start a date on those administrative costs

[2:45:19] starting at a certain time specific date specific

[2:45:23] um and back some of those out from the 06 and we have seven i'm just making

[2:45:28] that bringing that to your attention to make sure that that's not overlooked

[2:45:32] um no because i mean that did require i

[2:45:36] mean it did require action by the city to get something done and it's not a

[2:45:41] huge amount of money and i i just think that it's a matter of

[2:45:45] fairness okay

[2:45:48] so pam you're looking at the administrative costs being 297.89

[2:45:53] correct and with that we would put a lien if

[2:45:57] that's not paid then we would put a lien just on the property so at any time in

[2:46:02] the future it was sold then that would be payable to the

[2:46:05] city is that correct and it's a very valuable piece of

[2:46:10] coverage okay commissioners you've um heard

[2:46:14] commissioner devito's motion

[2:46:18] to negate the fine however charged the

[2:46:22] administrative fee of 297.89 we have a second

[2:46:27] calculation so we have a motion

[2:46:31] and we have a second um any further discussion

[2:46:36] i

[2:46:50] ruling

[2:46:54] [Music]

[2:47:02] it got me confused by the uh

[2:47:06] you got to look at the people i reckon they confused

[2:47:09] [Music] some of the decisions that we make about

[2:47:13] these properties

[2:47:16] yes we need to come up call

[2:47:28] a piece of property that probably detects

[2:47:31] the person uh the texan facility in palakkad having

[2:47:37] uh property value

[2:47:41] i'm just gonna use a price now

[2:47:46] uh thousand dollars

[2:47:51] i'm just using that figure and then we

[2:47:55] go to taxing on taxing on and taxes on to get a 190 some thousand dollars

[2:48:02] and probably wasn't

[2:48:06] a prime point what i'm trying to point out around there on florida street

[2:48:11] right by the big county tree in the yard there

[2:48:19] [Music]

[2:48:23] about

[2:48:27] i think 1500 what you're saying is the fine is way

[2:48:32] over what the value of the property the value of the profit yeah

[2:48:36] we need to we need to we need to do we need to work we need to

[2:48:40] work on that yeah we really need to work

[2:48:50] so right now we have a motion and we have a second

[2:48:54] um all in favor say aye

[2:49:18] is

[2:49:26] thank you and i i do i do want to share this with you

[2:49:30] that the board made this determination some time ago

[2:49:34] and i'm disappointed in our code enforcement board because we have given

[2:49:40] them those somewhat of some directives that

[2:49:43] administrative costs are necessary

[2:49:47] and if they are going to reduce those fines that they do at least leave the

[2:49:51] administrative costs in there because it does cost the city so it's nothing

[2:49:55] against please no it's nothing against property owners it's just that that's

[2:50:00] what kind of the direction that the commission has

[2:50:03] gone has been going actually so i just wanted to bring that to you

[2:50:09] thank you do we need a motion to set them every

[2:50:12] day um you can

[2:50:16] we can we can get a motion set for 30 days i'm sure miss glover's going to

[2:50:20] take care of it um go ahead if you want to make a motion

[2:50:24] and sex orientation so my second question is should be

[2:50:29] i guess that the fine reduction and the requirement to

[2:50:33] pay the administrative costs of 297.89 um that those be paid within 30 days

[2:50:43] we have a motion do we have a second a second okay motion in a second all in

[2:50:47] favor say aye

[2:50:53] okay let's go to our next one

[2:50:56] we have another code enforcement lien reduction request

[2:51:06] next case

[2:51:10] is case number

[2:51:17] zero 12-03-317-0208 eight oh nine random street

[2:51:21] revelations for chapter six section six point one chapter ten

[2:51:27] dash twenty twenty three twenty four and twenty seven

[2:51:42] [Music]

[2:51:46] this is going to the property owner on march 7th

[2:51:49] 2012 and june 8 2012.

[2:51:55] code board hearings were june 26th and march 24th 2022

[2:52:04] flying accrued for 3

[2:52:07] 674 days at 25 per day march 27

[2:52:13] 2012 and april 18th 2022 total fine is 91 850.

[2:52:21] affidavit compliance was 12 on april 19th 2022. i received a request to find

[2:52:27] the introduction on february 23rd

[2:52:32] 2012.

[2:52:35] two pictures i recently took with the property on

[2:52:40] april 18th 2022 before mr tangerine off this property

[2:52:46] uh you couldn't even see the house that was there

[2:52:55] but he ended um fixing up his request for introduction and

[2:52:59] vineyard packing he wants to make this his home

[2:53:03] for his family

[2:53:06] staff recommendation was to reduce the 5000

[2:53:12] mr henry requested that the lead of ninety one thousand eight hundred fifty

[2:53:17] dollars to be reduced to a thousand dollars

[2:53:20] on may 24th 2022 enforcement board recommends recommended

[2:53:26] that finally be reduced to a thousand dollars

[2:53:30] excuse me that does not include the administrative cost of the

[2:53:34] administrative costs okay why did

[2:53:38] why did they not take in to consider the administrative costs

[2:53:45] i don't know um

[2:53:48] here you come up thank

[2:53:57] you learned a lot but i hope

[2:54:12] do you have any questions for mr henry commission

[2:54:15] um i do um

[2:54:18] hi mr henry thank you so much for being here coming to crescent city um there's

[2:54:23] a lot of paper in this packet just did you acquire did you acquire

[2:54:27] this property by purchase or by pickling deep

[2:54:30] questions [Music]

[2:54:47] close to 18 000 um

[2:54:50] with my own time to cut my trees down that property was

[2:54:55] delinquent it sat there for over 20 years without anybody ever cut the grass

[2:55:00] or trees or anything i think we took probably over 100 trees

[2:55:05] off the property i mean you know a little treat it was

[2:55:09] just it was just completely it was a thousand trash that were head high

[2:55:14] but i think i'm familiar with that because my question was did you have a

[2:55:19] relationship did you have some kind of relationship

[2:55:23] with the company within armed landslings oh no ma'am

[2:55:28] the name of the company the name of the company is um

[2:55:37] i could look on the appraisal site i don't think

[2:55:40] so it's uh euro atlantic

[2:55:54] did they make you aware when you did this as a quick claim you probably

[2:55:58] didn't did you go through them before i ever bought the property i

[2:56:02] actually approached in the pam and i said man i want to try to make this for

[2:56:07] me and my family do you think if i could just work real

[2:56:11] hard and get it clean and keep working on it

[2:56:15] if i could if she said i did it she thought if i would put a lot of time in

[2:56:19] it and get it in compliance and i'd come here and

[2:56:23] have a reasonable reduction i put a thousand dollars

[2:56:28] because i never took the kid took the city of crescent city you know time to

[2:56:33] put the lanes i just thought if i i would be willing to pay a thousand

[2:56:37] dollars like that you know i've got a budget and i've gotten applications here

[2:56:43] for uh building permits to go ahead and start working on the property

[2:56:47] and i have a budget for me and my family to uh to improve it and fix it and get

[2:56:53] it back all the way livable you're going to restore the you're going

[2:56:57] to restore the house

[2:57:00] okay and i i have to build one that's here

[2:57:03] i just uh i don't know if y'all know what i wrote

[2:57:06] on there we do we have it your decision would make it whether i can do that or

[2:57:12] not okay no commissioner banks had a comment yeah

[2:57:17] i would like to give him a call because anybody passed by that house the house

[2:57:23] just got available when he bought the property

[2:57:32] someone come and drives up in the house next door out of the very skin somebody

[2:57:37] went in and gutted it out took all the wiring out of it

[2:57:42] and if you go by there now

[2:57:44] it is amazing and i see some action there today i don't know whether you out

[2:58:00] they actually offered to come here and speak on my behalf tonight but i know i

[2:58:05] didn't really feel like you know i appreciated it

[2:58:08] i wanted you know i just i just want to turn it into a nice place to be

[2:58:13] so you intend to live there i do can i go ahead and just say this

[2:58:19] i loved your letter it was heartfelt

[2:58:23] and uh you i went out and looked at the house

[2:58:27] you've done a tremendous amount of work on that

[2:58:31] and it could be a nice house for a family you have one

[2:58:35] child three-year-old yes

[2:58:38] that could be a nice house what i would like and i'm asking

[2:58:42] let's stop fighting the thousand dollars let's do the 263 23

[2:58:50] yes i'm just throwing it out before i make a motion

[2:58:53] because you have a lot of money to go into that house yet

[2:58:58] and a thousand dollars could probably go quite a ways to painting

[2:59:03] and whatever but i'm sure you have plumbing

[2:59:06] wiring windows everything

[2:59:10] and i would love to have a family in that house again but wetland was a good

[2:59:15] friend of my mother she was a sweetheart and i'd like to see the house back again

[2:59:20] not that that's important but okay here goes the motion

[2:59:25] i move that we will need a thousand dollar fine and keep the administrative

[2:59:30] fee of 263 23 and that to be paid and is a month

[2:59:38] okay give you a month 30 days today okay we have a motion to have a second

[2:59:45] second okay i have a motion and a second on we

[2:59:49] having a discussion all in favor say aye aye

[2:59:54] opposed

[3:00:06] welcome to crescent city

[3:00:08] um and and with any of our fines we

[3:00:13] just need to be cognizant and that they're there to get those properties

[3:00:17] brought back into compliance um but it does have cost involved from

[3:00:21] the staff standpoint so that's why these administrative costs are so

[3:00:25] you know we just can't i'm asking you pam to

[3:00:30] reiterate that to your board please okay i want to say that it admitted me

[3:00:36] my name

[3:00:39] [Laughter]

[3:00:46] [Music]

[3:00:51] we've been working on that property i mean

[3:00:54] to take the i have a dump trailer

[3:00:58] and i have a decent truck by the time i drive here from saint augustine i loaded

[3:01:02] up the dumps almost i impossibly trips back forward i've

[3:01:07] been spending 120 hours a day in fuel plus i've been

[3:01:11] paying my health so i've been working on my next thing

[3:01:15] right here i got the application building permits

[3:01:26] and welcome welcome to crescent city

[3:01:35] okay all right

[3:01:38] next item there is a first one appearing can you build a block grant application

[3:01:42] that's the box is here from correct stations to lead us through that process

[3:01:47] again i apologize good evening my name is melissa fox i'm

[3:01:51] with fred fox enterprises we're a grant consulting firm and i'm here tonight to

[3:01:55] advise the commission as well as the public of the city's opportunity to

[3:01:59] apply for a community blog the city is eligible to apply for up to

[3:02:04] 650 000 there are three categories in which you

[3:02:09] can apply for funding the applications are due july 21st

[3:02:14] and you do need to select a um category you can always select uh you can only

[3:02:19] submit one application at a time the first is the housing rehabilitation and

[3:02:24] that's where the city would go in and they would either do uh rehab work or

[3:02:28] demolish the place over occupied low to moderate income homes

[3:02:32] you have to be under occupied has to be low moderate income and you have to

[3:02:36] address all code violations so you couldn't just like with the ship program

[3:02:40] you can go in and you can put a new roof on but with um cdbg hud requires that

[3:02:46] every code violation be brought up

[3:02:50] with 650 000 believe it or not i would only get to do about four or five homes

[3:02:55] with that it doesn't go very far the second is a commercial revitalization

[3:03:00] that's where you during streetscaping sidewalks pedestrian malls building to

[3:03:04] side work etcetera all in the downtown commercial area the purpose is to

[3:03:08] revitalize commercial downtown and to get more people to come

[3:03:12] down now um the city would be the service area and the city would need to

[3:03:16] be at least 51 low to moderate income

[3:03:20] the third is a neighborhood revitalization and that's where the city

[3:03:23] would address infrastructure items and residential areas you could do water

[3:03:26] line replacement sewer line replacement lift stations sewer lift stations you

[3:03:31] can do parks paving drainage community centers

[3:03:35] and there again your beneficiaries must be a minimum of 51 percent low tomorrow

[3:03:39] application threshold so for instance if you're doing road painting and you're

[3:03:44] doing two blocks those two blocks at least 51 of the resonance on those two

[3:03:48] blocks would need to be low to water income

[3:03:52] the fourth category is kind of like a standalone

[3:03:55] um once the cycle opens

[3:03:59] you can submit for funding for an economic development and you submit

[3:04:03] until there's no funding left for that year in the next fiscal year they'll

[3:04:07] obligate more funds towards that category um so that one you can submit

[3:04:11] at any time as long as they're spending the first three are due

[3:04:16] july 21st and you can actually have an open housing rehab commercial

[3:04:21] revitalization or neighborhood revitalization and applied for economic

[3:04:25] development finance the only one that you can actually apply for if you

[3:04:29] haven't heard of the money and that's where you would provide infrastructure

[3:04:32] on city easement property to facilitate a new business coming into the city or

[3:04:36] the expansion of an existing business business must create new long-term jobs

[3:04:41] and be included as a developer if you have a fish and for this category alone

[3:04:45] you're actually eligible to apply for up to 1.5 million

[3:04:49] and then so for every thirty four thousand nine hundred

[3:04:52] ninety nine dollars in another innocence that's being requested one full-time job

[3:04:57] must be created when we refer to uh lmi low moderate

[3:05:02] income those are the hud limits that are set they are updated

[3:05:06] every year so for putnam county just to give you an example on the bottom for

[3:05:11] our family of four the maximum you could make is forty eight thousand five fifty

[3:05:15] that low eighty percent

[3:05:21] there are additional points in their application you're competing with other

[3:05:24] small cities and counties throughout the state

[3:05:26] um if the city can leverage points towards the project then you get an

[3:05:31] extra point for every thousand dollars a maximum of 25 points for 25 points for

[3:05:36] 25 000 the local community can exceed the 25

[3:05:40] 000 you just don't get any extra points you can also go less than that you can

[3:05:44] commit 10 000 to get 10 points for neighborhood revitalization and

[3:05:48] commercial revitalization projects the city submits with their application

[3:05:53] engineers stamp construction plans and specs and you've shown documentation

[3:05:58] that you apply for all your permits you get an extra 50 points in your

[3:06:01] application you can't be reimbursed for shuttle

[3:06:05] ready design calls so anything that you contract with the engineer for the

[3:06:08] design of that the city would have to pay full city funds

[3:06:12] even if the application is funded the steps that are required in the

[3:06:16] application process is to appoint a citizens advisor task force that has

[3:06:20] been completed the second is to advertise and hold a catf meeting to

[3:06:24] discuss possible projects the atm did meet this meeting at 5 00 pm

[3:06:30] and they did recommend that the um city pursue a neighborhood

[3:06:36] revitalization for um

[3:06:42] um the third is to advertise and hold a first public hearing to obtain public

[3:06:46] comments and direction by city commission to move forward on

[3:06:48] determining a project that's what we're here for tonight the

[3:06:51] fourth is to advertise and hold a fair housing workshop that gets you

[3:06:55] extra points in your application i'll be doing that that's the next fighter

[3:06:59] agenda and the fifth is to advertise and hold a

[3:07:02] second public hearing to finalize the application at that point a rough draft

[3:07:06] will be presented to the mission as well as the

[3:07:09] public we would obtain any public comment on that we would amend the

[3:07:12] application as you know as needed and then we would submit the application on

[3:07:17] the city's behalf by july 21st um

[3:07:28] when i opened it up for public comment do we have any public comments at this

[3:07:31] time okay

[3:07:33] okay sure you know the drill

[3:07:42] [Music]

[3:07:48] yeah this project is installation of a water main on main street from uh

[3:07:54] central north to 308

[3:07:58] as well as a generator the lift station bay lane

[3:08:03] or i think it's an emergency backup generator which that station currently

[3:08:06] does not have so this project would combine those two

[3:08:10] projects into one brand application

[3:08:15] yeah so it'd be mainstream

[3:08:22] [Music]

[3:08:29] yes ma'am this game is 19 cedar street uh i went

[3:08:33] by palermos today

[3:08:36] the mexican restaurant and i asked them

[3:08:40] how come i don't see more representation of the mexican population and the

[3:08:45] meetings and they said they were here a few times

[3:08:49] and they got they gave up because what they want is a part for the

[3:08:54] children i went to domino's pizza

[3:08:58] and there were six teenagers there and all of them were

[3:09:03] bilingual we have a lot of mexican residents here and they want to

[3:09:08] be heard he said he has to go to palutka to have a good part just in case we want

[3:09:14] to have that in consideration these people are asking for a park

[3:09:18] not a little park next to the dog park what an actual park okay thank you thank

[3:09:24] you very much

[3:09:26] and we do have mr you know you realize we do for the children we have harry

[3:09:31] banks part i don't know if you've ever been to harry banks park but we do have

[3:09:34] hairy things i just told them to come to the immediacy

[3:09:37] okay thank you thank you okay do we have any other public comment

[3:09:42] at this time and then i'm going to close public

[3:09:56] comments so at this time all i need is just a motion and you know to move

[3:10:02] forward with either staff recommended project or

[3:10:05] another project okay commissioners

[3:10:10] we have

[3:10:24] main street quartering and workstation project

[3:10:29] we have a motion do we have a second before we open up the discussion

[3:10:34] okay we have a motion in a second do we have any further discussion

[3:10:39] good night ladies thank you

[3:10:42] there is nothing more important than working

[3:10:48] absolutely

[3:10:52] okay so seeing no other a little commissioner banks have stepped

[3:10:57] away did you want to show us something charles or so this is for the next for

[3:11:00] the next one okay um commissioner banks has stepped away

[3:11:04] for just a moment so before we go [Music]

[3:11:29] and all those bodies out there left so they're not taking that warmness i know

[3:11:34] actually

[3:11:41] [Music]

[3:11:48] we'll have a better idea when we come back to the second public hearing as far

[3:11:52] as what we project your score to be okay um

[3:11:55] the good thing about this cycle is the state's actually a fiscal year behind

[3:12:00] in awarding funds so what they're looking to do is they're looking to

[3:12:03] combine both 21 and 22 funding from hud the allotment they get in so they're

[3:12:09] getting they're going to have over 50 million dollars they typically have

[3:12:13] about 26 27 they're going to have well over that so they're

[3:12:17] the state's thinking is we're going to be able to fund pretty far down the list

[3:12:22] this time so you know

[3:12:24] um but we will have a better idea of what we think your projected score is

[3:12:28] going to be um

[3:12:35] [Music]

[3:12:38] if you look at our comprehensive plan we have and

[3:12:43] um city manager kennedy pointed this out years ago

[3:12:46] we have about four to five times as many parts as the state standard is apart

[3:12:52] including playground here's another thing

[3:12:55] um we have a lot of mexican children

[3:12:59] young people that are meeting on the tennis courts

[3:13:05] when you when you say that they have their part we actually are very well

[3:13:10] supplied yeah okay division commissioner banks is back

[3:13:14] so i'm ready to take this to a vote if there's no more discussion

[3:13:17] we have a motion and we have a second all in favor say aye aye

[3:13:22] opposed nay okay all right the next item on the agenda is

[3:13:27] just the fair housing workshop no action will need to be taken i just need to go

[3:13:31] over this i'll be happy to answer any questions okay

[3:13:34] federal current housing act prohibits discrimination in housing related

[3:13:38] transactions including the sale rentals discrimination includes refusing to rent

[3:13:43] to someone steering someone away to a particular type of housing or

[3:13:47] neighborhood enacting zoning measures to exclude particular groups etc because of

[3:13:52] membership in a protected class the federally protected classes are race

[3:13:57] color religion national origin sex familiar status and disability a city or

[3:14:03] a state or you know they can have other protected classes these are just the

[3:14:07] federally protected classes what is prohibited no one may take any

[3:14:11] of the following actions based on race color religion sex disability familiar

[3:14:16] status or national origin refuse to rent or sell housing refuse to negotiate for

[3:14:21] housing set different terms conditions or privileges for sale or rental of a

[3:14:25] dwelling falsely deny that housing is available

[3:14:28] for inspection sale or rental for-profit persuade or try to persuade

[3:14:33] homeowners to sell or rent dwellings by suggesting that people of a particular

[3:14:37] race age sex etc have moved before about to move into the year

[3:14:42] or deny any person access to membership or participation in any organization

[3:14:47] facility or service related to the sale or rental of dwellings

[3:14:52] additionally it is unlawful to discriminate against the person whose

[3:14:55] household includes one or more children who are under 18 years of age this is

[3:14:59] known as family says in which

[3:15:02] one or more minor children live with a parent or legal custodian

[3:15:06] there's additional protection if you have a disability if you have a physical

[3:15:10] or mental disability including hearing mobility visual impairments cancer

[3:15:14] chronic mental illness or hiv aids that substantially limits one or more major

[3:15:18] life activities or are regarded as having such a disability a housing

[3:15:22] provider may not refuse to let you make reasonable modifications to your growing

[3:15:26] neighbor expense a landlord may permit changes only if you agree to restore the

[3:15:30] property to its original conditioning if you're handicapped and you're in a

[3:15:35] wheelchair you should be allowed to put in a heating cap ramp you might have to

[3:15:39] remove that and restore that half to its original condition when you move

[3:15:43] but you should be allowed to make that or if you're in the building with a no

[3:15:47] pets policy they must allow visual impaired tenants to die

[3:15:52] what housing is exempt the federal fair housing act exempts over-occupied

[3:15:56] buildings with no more than four units and single-family housing sold or rented

[3:16:01] without the use of a broker so that's if it's a private owner they

[3:16:06] have one house they're renting it out they are not they are exempt under the

[3:16:09] federal fair housing act senior housing exemption these are the

[3:16:14] 55 plus communities elderly communities these exempt some senior housing

[3:16:17] facilities and communities from liability for community status

[3:16:20] discrimination they have to be provided under any state or federal program that

[3:16:24] hud is determined to be specifically designed and operated to assist elderly

[3:16:29] persons and intended for and solely occupied by persons 55 or 62 years of

[3:16:33] age or older you can't just deem yourself one you have to actually be

[3:16:37] under a state or federal program that has determined

[3:16:40] that has certified

[3:16:42] if you think your rights have been violated you can contact the following

[3:16:45] the florida commission on human relations

[3:16:47] the u.s department of housing and urban development in the southeast regional

[3:16:51] office or the u.s department of housing and urban development in washington dc

[3:16:57] additionally the city of crescent city does have a fair housing ordinance which

[3:17:00] outlines steps and time limits in which complaints must be submitted and

[3:17:04] responses provided what you will need to provide is your

[3:17:07] name and address the name and address of the person your complaint is against the

[3:17:11] address or other identification of the housing involved a short description of

[3:17:15] the alleged violations and the dates of the alleged violation

[3:17:20] what happens when you file a complaint the office receiving the complaint will

[3:17:23] notify the person filing the complaint and the alleged violator of the filing

[3:17:27] and allow the respondent time to submit a written answer

[3:17:31] to the complaint investigate your complaint and determine whether there is

[3:17:34] a reasonable cause to believe that the respondent violated the fair housing act

[3:17:39] notify you and the respondent if hud cannot complete its investigation within

[3:17:43] 100 days of filing your complaint and provide reasons for the delay

[3:17:47] now during the time during the complaint investigation hud is required to offer

[3:17:50] you and the respondent the opportunity to voluntarily resolve your

[3:17:54] reconciliation are there any questions

[3:18:01] commissioners do you have any questions no

[3:18:04] okay great presentation

[3:18:07] okay all right thank you very much thank you thank you

[3:18:11] very much

[3:18:18] and i did read the entire house yeah

[3:18:25] um [Music]

[3:18:27] she's not the one that you spoke to about

[3:18:31] about our excess

[3:18:48] okay any questions for him before no okay you're good you're good thank

[3:18:54] you very much okay

[3:18:58] next item is consideration of a poll bar for public works uh utilizing better

[3:19:03] close bonds this is something i've heard about since i started here

[3:19:09] i do talk to keith about putting it in next year's uh budget and he and he

[3:19:13] informed me uh right and so that price of steel just goes up or not enough so

[3:19:18] what he proposed is that we can we can actually buy the building

[3:19:23] it's a kit and it will take about five or six

[3:19:26] months to be delivered then we'll negotiate

[3:19:29] uh to see what we need he thinks 10 to 15 000 dollars probably to get it built

[3:19:35] the footer's put in and to construct the building but if we don't buy it now it's

[3:19:39] just going to keep getting more expensive

[3:19:41] my request is for the cost of the building out of a better place okay

[3:19:47] so the cost of the building would come out of a better place and then the labor

[3:19:50] construction would probably be in next year's budget

[3:19:54] we'll actually put that in a better place

[3:20:04] [Music]

[3:20:11] [Music] i believe so yeah um we're still

[3:20:14] actually waiting for the generators last fall

[3:20:22] okay all in favor say aye

[3:20:30] mayor the next item is discussion um we've talked off and on throughout the

[3:20:34] year about um changes and there are changes that would

[3:20:38] require a charter a change to our charter required

[3:20:42] to go to the voters we need to get anything we want to do to

[3:20:46] the uh supervisor of elections by the beginning of august if we want to

[3:20:50] make this um

[3:20:53] election coming in november so uh i listed on here in a couple of

[3:20:58] some things that we've talked about administrative supervisor is

[3:21:02] now called city manager that's a that's an easy one

[3:21:05] um so actually currently i am required to be the clerk for the city um

[3:21:10] and hired karen hired her as clerk and then we were informed reminded that

[3:21:15] actually in the charter says the city manager

[3:21:18] the administrative supervisor shall be the clerk of the city

[3:21:21] so this would be an opportunity to actually allow us to hire a clerk

[3:21:25] um also we talked about

[3:21:28] currently required rehiring appointment removal of

[3:21:33] department heads that has to come with a commission so

[3:21:36] it's a hiring decision that so i can't um

[3:21:39] that was an issue with our finance director um

[3:21:44] to fire her i would have had to bring it here at a public forum

[3:21:47] and that would fortunately she resigned so um

[3:21:51] recommending removing that and then um

[3:21:57] that wasn't damaged one of the clarification purposes

[3:22:04] also the thing we discussed earlier i take the opportunity to clarify that

[3:22:09] you can submit your election materials prior to that first monday it's just the

[3:22:14] deadline will remain the friday at noon

[3:22:17] and then currently i'm required anything over a thousand dollars

[3:22:22] to get your approval and to bid it out and these days

[3:22:27] everything over a thousand dollars has really been constrained

[3:22:33] really slows us down you know gotta put that on an agenda we missed the

[3:22:37] advertise so it's gonna be a month and a half

[3:22:40] so um this will be an opportunity to increase that and what i recommend is

[3:22:44] five thousand dollars

[3:22:49] and any other changes you might those are all the ones we've talked about that

[3:22:53] come up um we would need to do an ordinance

[3:22:56] first and second reading before the beginning of august so it

[3:23:00] might require special meeting to get it accomplished

[3:23:04] in time to turn into the supervisor of elections to get it on

[3:23:07] okay

[3:23:16] yeah like my comment about 7.08

[3:23:20] the bids contracts and expenditures um i don't actually remember that many

[3:23:25] items coming before us

[3:23:30] well if it's an item that um regular operation you've already

[3:23:34] approved in the budget it's regular operations

[3:23:37] or an emergency situation um i'm able to afford those when the lift station

[3:23:42] generators went down i spent a lot of money on them because they just said it

[3:23:45] was an emergency right so you can't do that

[3:23:48] yeah um my concern about this is just

[3:23:54] it's more for it's more for exceptions and plan things

[3:23:59] um five thousand dollars is actually it's

[3:24:02] still a lot of money especially a small town

[3:24:06] and um we're doing so this would be submitted

[3:24:11] in a single ordinance right or we could break it up and the fear is

[3:24:16] you know if a voter doesn't like one thing they vote down all the changes

[3:24:20] oh yeah why not consider multiple uh boxes on the on

[3:24:26] about this particular item i think five thousand dollars

[3:24:30] is high um

[3:24:33] i mean that can easily turn that can easily turn into

[3:24:37] you know 20 or 25 000 um i think it would be more reasonable

[3:24:42] and probably would appear more acceptable

[3:24:46] to the public to you know double it from 1000 to 2000

[3:24:50] but because we really haven't heard that many cases well i don't know that 5 000

[3:24:54] is going to turn into 20 000. if we only give you 5 000 spending authority

[3:24:59] well i'm saying if in other words each

[3:25:02] instance he's just going to go in and buy three

[3:25:06] and five

[3:25:21] at 5 000 you'd like two thousand is that what you're saying yes okay then that's

[3:25:25] okay another particular one

[3:25:28] obviously it's not taking the money that's not the issue

[3:25:34] no but a lot of times things used i i know i've said over there things you

[3:25:38] know occur and he can't move on because he does have to

[3:25:42] because he does have to bring them to us so what's the recommendation that we

[3:25:48] would when would we do these meetings when we have these meetings we would get

[3:25:53] to bring back an ordinance or ordinances for these changes um

[3:25:58] for our first and then the second reading

[3:26:01] so that it was adopted in time before the beginning of august

[3:26:05] to give them the supervision elections

[3:26:09] bobby can we bring each one of these um on the ballot can they each can they be

[3:26:14] all separate do they have to be i think they should be awesome i think they

[3:26:19] should i was going to make that recommendation too is that they they'd

[3:26:22] be all separate so we'd have to have an ordinance for each one or

[3:26:27] i think so

[3:26:30] and there also i have a question about another provision

[3:26:34] um the

[3:26:37] change the authorization to hire a court i'm not that familiar with court

[3:26:42] provisions in city charters or whatever

[3:26:46] but i know it's considered an office of a kind

[3:26:50] um i'm not sure the way this is worded and

[3:26:55] i would turn that over to bobby this uh

[3:27:00] to me the creation of the position of clerk

[3:27:05] i think i'm guessing might need to occur

[3:27:10] um in an additional spot

[3:27:14] other than just saying to hire a clerk i don't know i would like to get an answer

[3:27:19] to that is that sufficient just to say

[3:27:22] to hire a clerk um should it should it be created

[3:27:27] you know in a section in and of its own self

[3:27:31] and i don't think that's something that could necessarily be answered now

[3:27:37] it doesn't need to be bring the solution

[3:27:44] okay so commissioners um are we or are we

[3:27:48] ready to do this i just have a question if you're going to hire a clerk what

[3:27:53] kind of salary are you thinking

[3:27:57] well uh later in the agenda i'm requesting to put on uh

[3:28:02] an rfp for our compensation study so they would

[3:28:05] advise us on what is comparable for a similar size and

[3:28:14] it would be basically it would be the position that

[3:28:18] karen where karen says correct yes she was hired as clear

[3:28:26] [Music] it's just our charters

[3:28:30] to have a slurk in there to have the administrative supervisor well we used

[3:28:34] to have a court a million years ago

[3:28:43] [Laughter]

[3:28:50] i mean it may be proper to remove that responsibility from 3.04 but that's not

[3:28:54] where we would create the

[3:28:57] the position so just we would strike it strike gene

[3:29:00] get out of there but we're going to have to put it maybe

[3:29:05] do we need to establish it in the charter

[3:29:07] do we even need to have it because like we don't establish

[3:29:10] i mean that's something to think about do we have to have it in our charter so

[3:29:14] we have to have the actual clerk and our charter

[3:29:17] and that's something you know um keep in mind too bobby that uh lacto right now

[3:29:21] is going through a charter revision very extensive charter division so and

[3:29:26] they he has a clerk and i think he has an assistant clerk

[3:29:30] um they're establishing i'm not sure

[3:29:40] [Music] yeah i'm just thinking that

[3:29:45] it's a very responsible position it's the custodian of the public records and

[3:29:51] sealed and i'm guessing

[3:29:53] that this person needs to be specifically

[3:29:56] designated i'm just guessing well bobby if you'll look into that for us

[3:30:03] the only problem is

[3:30:06] there's not enough time if i come back with an answer at the

[3:30:10] next meeting you need to come back with ordinances at the next meeting yeah we

[3:30:14] need to have ordinances at the next meeting so your decision should be in an

[3:30:17] ordinance

[3:30:26] they don't have to be long ordinances they'll

[3:30:29] yeah very short but i think that's i think bobby that

[3:30:34] would to me would be because we're dealing with a time with a time issue

[3:30:39] um that if we did that at the july meeting

[3:30:42] and then we set the second a special meeting in july and then we

[3:30:46] could get on to charles um

[3:30:49] at that time mr over to the proper language

[3:30:54] what time or what time what when

[3:31:09] we're gonna have to be at least 10 days

[3:31:14] 10 days but you can also go ahead and you can

[3:31:18] can you pre-advertise no you have to have the fun

[3:31:22] but if we do it on the 14th and you advertise

[3:31:26] we have to get it to charles at some point from noon on that monday until

[3:31:32] noon on that friday that first week of august yes

[3:31:37] so just to give y'all a couple of extra

[3:31:40] days if we need it so if we if i advertise it on the 15th we'll send it

[3:31:44] to the page you can have it yeah we can send it to the paper on the 15th and

[3:31:48] then 10 days later so you can have it on july 25th

[3:32:03] when's the 15th on friday so it would run on it

[3:32:09] okay it would be best if you if you could get

[3:32:12] it on saturday and then we would have to meet on the 26th of july that's a

[3:32:17] tuesday either that monday or tuesday the 25th of the 26th probably the 26th

[3:32:21] of july because of the four mainstream

[3:32:24] conferences okay [Music]

[3:32:28] so we could put that down against commissioner

[3:32:31] um on the second page

[3:32:33] do we really need the change in 6.05 about the qualifying period because

[3:32:40] qualifying is usually

[3:32:43] yes that's what bobby has they've spoken to

[3:32:47] as far as you can open it up bobby do you want to and they also need

[3:32:52] some clear we need clarification there as well right hey i think we at least

[3:32:57] put in there that it does not include [Music]

[3:33:00] that you have to have a cutoff date that's

[3:33:04] the one charles did say that you have to have

[3:33:06] that cutoff date which would be that august

[3:33:10] um i mean not that friday at noon

[3:33:14] so you wouldn't have that as a cutoff day

[3:33:17] like this this is qualifying for the ballot and

[3:33:20] my understanding is most local governments have just a set

[3:33:24] time that you qualify for that

[3:33:28] it's got a beginning that was not my understanding but we

[3:33:33] were mr overture told us that we were the

[3:33:36] only ones that had another beginning black doesn't interfere with it

[3:34:07] [Music]

[3:34:10] i'm still recommending the 5000

[3:34:23] okay

[3:34:29] so let's can we get a motion please somebody

[3:34:33] please somebody

[3:34:36] if none we'll hand it over to him commissioner banks i'm gonna make a

[3:34:39] motion get a motion [Laughter]

[3:35:05] [Music]

[3:35:18] [Music]

[3:35:22] oh

[3:35:29] workshop as well as the budget workshops and i've sent a poll a list of dates i'm

[3:35:35] recommending 2 o'clock in the afternoon

[3:35:42] [Music]

[3:35:50] well um i did receive a schedule uh come out from a couple of commissioners it

[3:35:55] looks like the earliest will be july 5th is everyone available july 5th no i said

[3:36:01] they ended up july 4th i sent you something that said i am

[3:36:06] [Laughter]

[3:36:18] july 6th is it wednesday yeah 2 o'clock um

[3:36:23] yes

[3:36:27] what workshop is that it'll be the general phone

[3:36:29] okay um

[3:36:35] [Music]

[3:36:39] um it occurred to me when i looked at the layout

[3:36:42] could we possibly uh

[3:36:45] do general fund and then do i think you i'm trying to find my copy of your memo

[3:36:51] could we do the cra and better place plan with the utility departments

[3:36:58] those adults those are fairly short sections of the

[3:37:02] budget well the enterprise funds particularly gas and water we're going

[3:37:06] to talk about rates yeah and whether we need to increase our rates i think that

[3:37:10] may go on for a while

[3:37:14] but i mean there should that should be a pretty cut right i mean they should have

[3:37:18] a proposal i mean

[3:37:20] we did gas rates right we raised the base rate okay um

[3:37:25] gas prices have gone through the roof we've already reached

[3:37:32] what we raised was more the administrative service fees for the

[3:37:35] guests by then we'll have a projection of how we made out this year i'm

[3:37:38] optimistic i'm comfortable with how many him having

[3:37:45] [Music]

[3:37:54] um the seven will be two days in a row if

[3:37:57] you're okay with that yeah because we have three workshops

[3:38:00] okay it was my understandings you said that you wanted to get the

[3:38:05] published version of the budget out by wednesday the 8th

[3:38:11] well that's just the the um i think you're packing out a week ahead

[3:38:15] of the 14 we have to set the tentative millage rate on the 14th

[3:38:20] okay so it will be helpful if we would be helpful if we pack them in

[3:38:24] [Music] the 7th and 12th

[3:38:28] okay we may make changes you know when we talk about it on the commission

[3:38:32] meeting but we're just doing the best we can at two

[3:38:34] o'clock on all of those days into the seventh or two o'clock from enterprise

[3:38:39] funds and the 12th would be the better place in cnn okay now we're doing one on

[3:38:44] the six right one on the six six is general seven

[3:38:48] seventh is enterprise funds and the twelve

[3:39:15] okay june 15th was not available correct

[3:39:19] we didn't have all of you on the 15th so uh oh okay because i said i could do the

[3:39:24] 15th we're done by two but i can't stay out

[3:39:28] okay but other people are not available commissioner i know commissioner burton

[3:39:34] you won't be available i would imagine you won't be able to

[3:39:37] i don't think i will leave

[3:39:49] no i will not be um over the tree the tree

[3:39:54] workshop tree plan on the 19th or 20th or 21st

[3:39:58] that'd be another week no well

[3:40:02] um so we don't have

[3:40:06] what i don't know what about the are we going to do it in the evening or can we

[3:40:10] do it during the day can we not do it on the 14th we have a

[3:40:14] commission meeting that day just this makes a long day i don't know

[3:40:18] you know what but i mean how long will that take

[3:40:22] it's like

[3:40:26] the regular meeting is on the 21st of july if you're going into july the

[3:40:30] regular meetings on the 21st of july at one o'clock

[3:40:34] okay but wouldn't that be nice to get it done before the regular meeting on the

[3:40:38] 14th so that if we wanted to pass something we could do it what about the

[3:40:42] 19th is available

[3:40:46] but that's not before before i'm sorry

[3:40:50] and you're going to have to make sure it works with their schedule too right well

[3:40:53] maybe the 14th we have to advertise it 10 days

[3:40:56] do you think we could get it done do you think that like if we did it on the 12th

[3:41:00] do you think we could get it i mean how long do you anticipate that's going to

[3:41:04] take an hour yeah yeah it's not that long could we

[3:41:08] start it at noon on on the on the 12th before the budget

[3:41:12] workshop step two and you bring sandwiches that's up to you all we could

[3:41:17] make a working lunch yeah yeah i mean

[3:41:22] i'm just trying not to for us to kind of if we have to cram some of these in we

[3:41:26] got a lot that we have to do and not have to be here you know

[3:41:30] everybody would have to be here every single day all right okay we can provide

[3:41:34] lunch on the 12th and then we'll make it a working lunch with the truth okay

[3:41:39] or bring your own july

[3:41:51] okay what else do we have charles what other

[3:41:53] dates do we need to go over that's those are the work zones okay so i think we

[3:41:57] need them also we need to recommend moving the august commission

[3:42:01] meeting two days earlier to tuesday the night

[3:42:04] because florida league of cities always falls on your august meeting

[3:42:08] last year

[3:42:18] [Music]

[3:42:23] do we have a second second i have here

[3:42:27] yes [Music]

[3:42:35] i can see that's probably an interlocking meeting

[3:42:46] yeah yes ma'am what about my weekend charles

[3:43:05] the first week uh the two the second fourth august

[3:43:09] second second the day after the first i won't be home

[3:43:14] that week okay

[3:43:16] [Music]

[3:43:31] yeah right and even in charge of handling it don't think people call you

[3:43:36] why don't you just take all these stuff so you know we i mean honestly does it

[3:43:41] do do we have that ability to take august

[3:43:44] off we got a lot going

[3:43:46] on oh dude really charles says no

[3:43:52] i could fill it up but let me say this we don't have to have

[3:43:57] bobby think about this we've got just that that's about 11th and 12th we could

[3:44:02] move the commission meeting to the following week

[3:44:06] that's something to think about do you have anything on the 16th or the 18th of

[3:44:10] the following week planning and zoning will be 18. yeah

[3:44:22] we can move it to the 16th okay so

[3:44:27] two sets of 16.

[3:44:32] [Music]

[3:44:42] right well we're asking about the 16th planning and zoning is only 18.

[3:44:46] okay we would have our commission meeting on the 16th

[3:44:50] hi okay so now what about bobby on 16. no i'm good

[3:44:55] the second tuesday is privacy okay because tuesday night is dinner night

[3:45:01] too commissioner devito are you available

[3:45:04] i actually don't know um

[3:45:07] i did i i covered the period that your dates

[3:45:11] covered i don't well you'll be coming out of broward so that

[3:45:16] honestly florida league is through the 13th if you wanted to have it on the

[3:45:20] night and i'm not trying to be

[3:45:23] their meeting will be done before any business before

[3:45:27] they're done i've never been there more than an hour okay so i could be here by

[3:45:31] seven o'clock most likely if you wanted to have let's

[3:45:34] do that that first hour tonight was all presentations yeah okay so let's let's

[3:45:39] go back to the night let's go back to them okay

[3:45:42] do you want to did she make the motion didn't you make

[3:45:44] the motion commissioner okay so we've gone around the night

[3:45:48] together i did make a motion for august night yes

[3:46:02] [Music]

[3:46:06] all in favor say aye hi okay the ninth has it

[3:46:13] we don't have to date we have to vote on those special meetings also for the i

[3:46:18] mean for the workshop so we have to vote on that i think i have a consensus i'll

[3:46:21] be having a schedule okay

[3:46:26] okay that's 6 7 12.

[3:46:30] yes sir july 6 7 12th of july

[3:46:37] okay all right so mayor i have one question

[3:46:40] about the budget workshop tim um charles i had asked you what asked my

[3:46:46] commission and you i think you said bobby will work

[3:46:50] on this about replacing the county fire tax that we

[3:46:55] eliminated with the tax of our own to basically replace those funds

[3:47:02] whether we talked about the fire tax would we not cover that at one of these

[3:47:07] meetings on the 6th 7th or 12th we'll talk about the fire department on the

[3:47:11] 6th so that will come up at that time we'll see how much he's requesting

[3:47:15] and then obviously if we want to fund that through a fire fee partially

[3:47:20] he's asking for his volunteer incentive program again and so forth

[3:47:24] i mean we're perpetually underfunded in the fire

[3:47:27] department i'm just saying i don't know is there enough time at this point

[3:47:34] um they'll have to be

[3:47:37] so if you wanna the discussion is let's let's do our own fire feed and

[3:47:43] bring you um let's see if that's almost six we'd

[3:47:47] have time to advertise it as an item on the july

[3:47:51] agenda i mean that has to be a whole separate

[3:47:54] ordinance i don't know if there's any extra advertising that you have to do

[3:47:59] it's come but anyway so you're saying the six that's what we will be talking

[3:48:03] about fire department donald know all about that they went through that black

[3:48:07] and just before i left they got the fee okay

[3:48:11] okay do we have to vote on the workshops we don't have to vote on the workshops

[3:48:14] we've just agreed to i don't think it'll thank you okay we just agreed to it

[3:48:17] let's move on can we move on to the authorization for compensation study rfp

[3:48:22] yeah this was uh it's in the budget amendment mid-year and uh since it's

[3:48:25] over a thousand dollars i need your approval to put it out to bid

[3:48:31] i assume

[3:48:33] okay we have a motion in a second do we have any discussion

[3:48:40] all in

[3:48:48] [Music]

[3:49:08] i need to close out though i need to close that out okay so i'm

[3:49:12] going to close out our general meeting or for right this moment and i'm going

[3:49:16] to open up the cra so this item i'm going to stand over

[3:49:20] here

[3:49:22] is

[3:49:36] which would be a month-long uh series of events the folks that put

[3:49:40] on events could keep their event and have their logos and do it their way

[3:49:44] uh we sort of have an umbrella event that first weekend we kick it off we

[3:49:49] turn on the lights maybe the second week in the partnership

[3:49:52] we do a christmas stroll or a window decorating contest or something else on

[3:49:56] the third weekend and we encourage all of our residents to

[3:50:00] light up their homes and light up their businesses and just make it a big

[3:50:04] celebration and what i want to show you is kind of

[3:50:07] aspirational video i know this went outside of this community winter garden

[3:50:12] and this was this would be something down the road but it's it's very

[3:50:16] aspirational and inspirational and it does have some of the elements i

[3:50:20] want to talk about lighting up our minions

[3:50:22] we have had so much positive feedback

[3:50:42] nice

[3:50:48] year i'll ask for a treat [Music]

[3:50:57] so when it flies look at the green the green median see the green yeah

[3:51:02] that's what i want to do on us 17 in the middle

[3:51:27] [Music]

[3:51:59] is

[3:52:03] [Music]

[3:52:13] [Music]

[3:52:25] so that was kind of um

[3:52:50] hardware on

[3:52:53] 400 green net lights and 400 strands of 100 white lights good idea

[3:52:58] comes in about eight or nine thousand dollars

[3:53:01] uh what i'm asking for tonight is a kind of not to exceed twenty thousand dollars

[3:53:06] because what we'll need to do is um [Music]

[3:53:10] run some figure out electrical for the park the front half of the park the

[3:53:14] smaller trees are run on the ground on the web of electrical outlets to each

[3:53:19] tree uh the

[3:53:21] lift rental and so forth so these costs will come in

[3:53:25] much less than that but i don't want to keep coming back and hold off until i

[3:53:29] come get approval you can see

[3:53:32] this the first column is what the adopted budget is

[3:53:35] of all of our sort of programming um the improvements we have 100 000 we have

[3:53:40] 86 000 left the grant shows we have 78 000 we've

[3:53:45] actually committed um probably half of that so my intention

[3:53:50] would be to move money from improvements down to um you see we've got a little

[3:53:54] bit over on our festivals and special events

[3:53:57] to move that money down to that part so we

[3:54:00] can buy the lights and do this and this is really a multi-year

[3:54:05] investment because we'll save all this stuff this material

[3:54:08] and squirrel away for next year and i'll come back to you for a treat i'm going

[3:54:12] in here uh we'll have a tree and every year we'll add something more we'll just

[3:54:16] keep growing this thing taking care of what we buy

[3:54:19] um so that we can eventually have this huge to me a christmas celebration the

[3:54:23] lights is such an easy easy tangible um wonderful thing it's like fireworks

[3:54:30] those two things people just come out from fireworks and christmas lights

[3:54:35] and then we just encourage our residents we can even create a

[3:54:40] residential award for somebody just goes crazy in their yard a commercial award

[3:54:45] and just really encourage um and so we need to start all this now

[3:54:50] uh because i've got to order the everything in advance and i got to

[3:54:53] design the electrical system so you need a motion for us to prove for

[3:54:57] you up to twenty thousand dollars yes i would like a budget for this project uh

[3:55:02] not to exceed twenty thousand dollars to come back to you obviously

[3:55:06] so we have a motion second and a second do

[3:55:10] we have any discussion um

[3:55:13] yes yeah i just wanted to share um this is a lot and

[3:55:18] just based on um

[3:55:21] what i've seen with the improvement on central avenue even we had the grant

[3:55:25] program and we worked on two buildings there and

[3:55:29] it's made a big difference we don't have that big of a cra budget

[3:55:34] we have other historic buildings right on central avenue that are crumbling

[3:55:39] we've got the blue moon lodge that needs the roof and quite frankly

[3:55:43] those two african-american churches need some serious help soon

[3:55:53] to me there would be more lasting and there's a much greater need i mean we

[3:55:58] can have lights but

[3:56:00] if our buildings are crumbling um

[3:56:04] i would rather see us use those funds on the buildings and as

[3:56:08] well part of our cra plan is ecotourism

[3:56:14] and i hate to say this but lighting is one of the recommendations

[3:56:20] actually i was reading on the back conservancy today because we don't plan

[3:56:24] to go on saturday um

[3:56:28] fpl and everyone else are trying to reduce the amount of lighting we're not

[3:56:34] an urban area we're

[3:56:38] we're an area that's talking about ecotourism we're very very small

[3:56:42] um that degree of light is not necessarily

[3:56:47] on the medians but lighting up the park which is a residential area

[3:56:52] um cuts the other way for ecotourism

[3:56:56] so i'm i just i think this needs a little more

[3:57:02] massaging about how we would do it and i hate to spend money on lights on

[3:57:07] 17 when our building infrastructure

[3:57:12] is really needing help

[3:57:15] well i i feel i understand what you're saying i feel after these we finish our

[3:57:19] current grants open grants and this expenditure if i were to spend it all we

[3:57:23] still have 100 000 for programming and then next year we

[3:57:28] get kind of replenished

[3:57:31] in all three cra so um i feel that it's a good investment and i don't think i'll

[3:57:36] spend all that money but i think it's um it'll just keep us moving forward

[3:57:41] and then we still have money for the grads can i

[3:57:44] ask you a question or this year yes yeah can i ask you a question yes

[3:57:49] can we take it out a better place can we take the 20 000 a better place

[3:57:58] let's look at better clubs we still have funds in better place we

[3:58:02] have quite a bit of funds in better place and

[3:58:05] oh yeah we have almost three hundred thousand dollars

[3:58:08] so if she's concerned about that with the cra um

[3:58:12] do you is that something that we could do is do

[3:58:15] this on this out of a better place i think it could if it's not a disposal

[3:58:22] do you have a concern with that when you say disposable kind of disposables well

[3:58:27] we're not going to throw them away at the end anymore

[3:58:31] so yeah it would be an installation i mean in the city it would be i mean it

[3:58:35] would be an insulation here in the city i'm just i'm just throwing that out

[3:58:40] there but

[3:58:44] um but right now we have a motion and i have a second to come out of the

[3:58:48] cra funds so we need to address that right now so

[3:58:52] if you're not going to discussions [Music]

[3:58:56] i'll look into it if it's possible i'll come back to you with that

[3:58:58] recommendation um so we may as well take it off the table tonight

[3:59:04] there you go now except for the fact you need to you

[3:59:07] know he needs he wants to order the lives

[3:59:10] can we make can we do an approval of proving you

[3:59:15] twenty thousand dollars and then leave it up to charles the best place to take

[3:59:19] that money out of then we do a motion

[3:59:23] don't we have to be that specific

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[3:59:52] i resent my motion for the twenty thousand dollars

[3:59:57] for the from the cra

[4:00:01] and make a new motion for the possibility up to twenty

[4:00:06] thousand dollars from the better of the place

[4:00:10] right for the park

[4:00:14] correct for the lighting for the lighting

[4:00:19] in the medians within the cra okay

[4:00:22] are you good with that are you good with that charles

[4:00:25] okay bobby you good with that okay we have a motion do we have a second

[4:00:29] second okay all in favor say aye all right

[4:00:33] call opposed nay

[4:00:46] [Music] uh you want to go for the banner

[4:00:51] oh yes the banner this is that they're working with a

[4:00:55] banner company um and we're not ready to order them but because of the

[4:00:59] they don't get approval now i want to get the banners for us 17 or

[4:01:03] sunrise sunset that everyone likes so much

[4:01:06] um costs in there that's for 60 banners i think if it's actually less

[4:01:12] once they figure out the number of brackets

[4:01:36] everybody that has seen those that is the one thing that they have been the

[4:01:41] most

[4:01:44] important and they choose to see those uh do we need a motion yes

[4:01:49] um i mean we approved the recommended funds for the purchase of the sunrise

[4:01:53] sunset okay we have a motion second any other

[4:01:57] discussion

[4:02:04] and then very quickly i just want to show you um we talked a little bit about

[4:02:07] the replacing the grass with brick last time

[4:02:12] and it only wasn't clear everyone that's what the attention was so i'm bringing i

[4:02:16] want to show you and maybe a couple days you haven't seen

[4:02:19] of the improvements downtown this was this building has been cleaned as you

[4:02:23] this is not actually a photo this is a photoshop but it has been pressure

[4:02:26] washed and the broken glass has been repaired new awnings are coming the

[4:02:31] barber shop has been repaired we don't have the um outer awning on there yet

[4:02:36] but the cover has been repaired so this shows

[4:02:39] it's built out as you can see in this area you really

[4:02:43] feel like the public's place ends at the edge of the sidewalk so if you were to

[4:02:46] step off quickly and you're healed or something you're off in the grass and

[4:02:49] then there's sprinklers there and again and

[4:02:52] so forth so this extends that all the way out so there's for benches and

[4:02:56] public art and so far

[4:03:00] this is the other project we're working on

[4:03:02] um where again you take that space this this

[4:03:07] part here this is not part of the project it's

[4:03:12] actually the ownership of this building over here

[4:03:14] um but you give me the point is this coming in at the engine

[4:03:19] the palm trees are getting into the power lines they look shredded up there

[4:03:23] to notice to replace those probably

[4:03:27] trees be more attractive uh this

[4:03:30] this was only looked at purchasing this law and they wanted just many times to

[4:03:34] get great value so we let them go there's still a possibility

[4:03:38] again extending the public space um

[4:03:42] this is actually on 17 i just want to show you these renderings that verified

[4:03:45] showed you uh

[4:03:47] to add a meanwall so you create a lively

[4:03:51] aliveness i'm very interested in participating we're going to work on

[4:03:54] giving them some estimates for that

[4:03:59] you're taking out the parts yes

[4:04:04] yes it would be approved today by grp and we would do a parking agreement with

[4:04:09] them for our lot their customers use our lot we would just formalize that group

[4:04:13] that they need they meet our code with the use of our lot

[4:04:18] this is another bill this one actually has been painted since this photo yeah

[4:04:22] it looks much better this is if they were to restore

[4:04:26] the windows again it's got a maroon our deep red awning and door

[4:04:30] what's going in there now

[4:04:40] so this is improving again this this space here

[4:04:44] we're looking at um breaking that's all crushed uh concrete right now actually

[4:04:48] breaking that so that potentially it could become a public space where

[4:04:53] a tenant might have this there were multiple tenants in that

[4:04:56] building it's a pretty good size building

[4:04:58] uh used to be a multi team it's built as a multi-tenant building on a low-known

[4:05:02] solutions worker this is just some some assad rumors uh

[4:05:07] t-city music uh in the vacant building if you were to

[4:05:11] just some simple massage work including the sign up above

[4:05:15] music over here creating again a public space

[4:05:18] and even a food truck spot

[4:05:21] this says food hall on there you can't see the city hall

[4:05:24] just as an idea it's a big space this building was we were going to go

[4:05:29] purchase it and then call to make the offer it was already under contract

[4:05:34] but these are some improvements that could happen to that building

[4:05:37] various colors this shows adding a door back here for a brewery i think it could

[4:05:42] be a retailer in the front um different colors and then again

[4:05:46] creating gathering place bringing public space that's also non-performing parking

[4:05:52] where you actually stick out in the road when you park there

[4:05:56] that shows the potential

[4:06:00] this one was done more recently uh beautiful building i think really one of

[4:06:04] our treasures uh but just um

[4:06:07] facade work it really just needs the roof is good it needs a little work up

[4:06:10] here to the ease and painting and then this is part of

[4:06:14] the same property it could be a great space

[4:06:17] for public gathering and living really lighting up the area

[4:06:20] and this would show the flight was from training instead of those little palm

[4:06:23] trees you can see

[4:06:33] this is what's in the redevelopment plan is yellow brick which i don't like

[4:06:37] it has a grass strip here which would be difficult to maintain

[4:06:41] and you can see down here this is it shows red brick down here

[4:06:46] but these are looking at red brick plant clusters

[4:06:51] this actually this manufacturer took this picture in richmond it's actually

[4:06:54] crescent gardens the company that sells those i thought

[4:06:58] it was interesting great myrtle trees hanging baskets

[4:07:02] the corners actually creates a little triangle bed

[4:07:05] could be beautiful flower beds banners and benches on central avenue so

[4:07:09] great central really is a nice attractive strolling place

[4:07:15] we start on the poles tomorrow let's go back to this

[4:07:20] working

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[4:07:29] improvements for the old post office building

[4:07:33] the italianate building all right um yeah i yes i have heard from

[4:07:39] knowledgeable persons that that building may need structural assistance

[4:07:44] that i mean that would be a potential one for grants to make sure that it's in

[4:07:48] good condition

[4:07:51] well that that's a big issue

[4:07:54] and the other one is everybody in the world i don't know um

[4:07:59] if they've got a buyer yet but this break house which i think isn't

[4:08:03] that one of our historic buildings um

[4:08:07] everybody who goes by that building and has any kind of eyesight for it at all

[4:08:12] is very concerned about the structure of the spray house so

[4:08:19] um if we have grant money for

[4:08:23] actual um

[4:08:26] you know structural improvements i think those two buildings

[4:08:30] need attention not to mention the two churches

[4:08:35] this one i've actually spoken with several people that were all excited

[4:08:39] about lying and then i never saw them again so

[4:08:42] they got into the balance of that building

[4:08:59] so my question is could offering like grant assistance

[4:09:04] and i i do think i think one problem with our grant program i think that

[4:09:07] money needs to be paid back eventually so that

[4:09:11] you know i think it's more appropriate for it to revolve in some way

[4:09:15] but is it possible that offering a grant

[4:09:18] would incentivize the buyer yeah

[4:09:22] we want to work with them we show them this okay and they were very interested

[4:09:26] and i feel like we do get paid back we you know if you pull a permit then we're

[4:09:30] going to hear the work done is going to create a

[4:09:33] new assessment property well you have grants and then you have

[4:09:38] you have grants that are just given to you and

[4:09:40] you don't think [Music]

[4:09:45] there's all kinds of different brands out there but grants really are not easy

[4:09:49] to come by i mean they only have so much money i'm saying our grant program the

[4:09:54] one we gave to scott king and the other buildings that we gave that money with

[4:09:58] no strings whatsoever well there's a payback provision if he

[4:10:02] were to to change it paint over it or remove the

[4:10:05] awning but no we that we're saving the building

[4:10:09] same thing here i recommend we've got to save that building yeah so we may come

[4:10:13] back to you and say we recommend a grant to termite you know

[4:10:16] detented example i mean there's a lot and if it's a big amount somebody

[4:10:21] asked me [Music]

[4:10:31] and i'm glad to know that you are actively trying to entice a buyer

[4:10:36] absolutely okay and i just need the same thing applies to this brake house

[4:10:39] because it's got you know it needs help well christina

[4:10:45] deals with potential buyers

[4:10:48] all the time they're she's constantly been uh

[4:10:56] i mean that's that's just i mean i just know that with her with what she's been

[4:10:59] doing she's been she's been dealing with a lot of people okay and and

[4:11:04] somebody reached out to me with the one gentleman that was looking at buying the

[4:11:07] sprague house he even reached out to me um

[4:11:10] and i don't know

[4:11:12] and he kind of disappeared he's a lot of money a lot of money he was looking at

[4:11:16] 1500 [Music]

[4:11:18] in there yeah and um you know so

[4:11:22] uh these buyers are coming to the city they're talking to charles and christina

[4:11:27] um constantly but just getting them to pull the trigger is a whole nother it's

[4:11:32] a whole other

[4:11:35] yes okay we have your report has everybody

[4:11:38] had a chance to go to charleston oh i need to close out this year thank

[4:11:42] you gary for keeping us on track closing out the cra and opening back up

[4:11:47] our commission meeting i just wanted to note uh city hall be

[4:11:51] closed on the 20th um

[4:11:57] okay

[4:12:00] um you have his report in front of you if anybody have any questions

[4:12:06] um i have a question about two things i did not see in the report um

[4:12:11] one is what is the status after a workshop

[4:12:19] uh well we're hoping today was that today

[4:12:24] our roofer's going to look at it we're still waiting on a bid a price

[4:12:28] the challenge of getting someone over there willing to go there and look at it

[4:12:31] so i think that may have happened yesterday

[4:12:34] or today so we're hoping to get a price because you did very well with central

[4:12:37] avenue so um yeah okay there's that and then what is the

[4:12:42] status as far as meetings or whatever um with our waste closed contracts

[4:12:49] we're still waiting for their uh draft the proposal

[4:12:54] they were putting one together and daniel reached out to me um actually

[4:12:58] the other day when i had that conversation with him about the property

[4:13:01] at the end of central um he said that they just about had it all ready to come

[4:13:06] to you to bring you so soon are we going to get options or are they

[4:13:11] just going to give us the total option um i'll do it when i see it

[4:13:21] [Music]

[4:13:31] where are they gonna start on your little yellow house oh

[4:13:34] i don't know okay

[4:13:38] that's been

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[4:14:06] i've never really dealt with him i thought i would deal with um

[4:14:14] there was that article about trail towns and there were two bicycle features

[4:14:18] i think it was just and i thought i had no idea

[4:14:24] okay is everybody good with um charles is no more comments on charles city

[4:14:28] management report if not i'm going to go ahead and open it

[4:14:31] up for commission comments do you have any comments i'll start with you

[4:14:44] sure thank you [Music]

[4:14:46] um i would just like to make everyone aware that

[4:14:52] a very large part of a tree came down across our driveway while far

[4:14:58] out of town it covered

[4:15:01] all of main street it would have killed anybody who'd been underneath it

[4:15:06] as well a very large branch came down from a heritage oak

[4:15:11] before that in evil eyes park

[4:15:14] so i cannot emphasize to y'all enough

[4:15:19] the report and the recommendations that advanced tree care did for the heritage

[4:15:23] oaks over in the park

[4:15:26] that came in in 2019 in april it's been over three years we

[4:15:31] haven't done anything the concerns focused around the soil

[4:15:37] compaction that is basically

[4:15:41] damaging the roots to the point where it's going to damage the tree

[4:15:45] i think we need to give this some attention

[4:15:47] before we lose the trees and haven't forbid

[4:15:53] someone that's underneath when that happens

[4:15:57] so it's a serious issue i mean more than one person that's been

[4:16:02] killed right out there in main street that was um probably a couple tons of

[4:16:07] trees and i'll share with you all the photos

[4:16:10] was it retreat was it one of our treats it's a city tree

[4:16:18] taken down from that tree that was over our driveway a couple of years ago

[4:16:23] and um i mean it's i think it was one of the

[4:16:26] ones damaged in hurricane but anyway this report you all have it

[4:16:31] from advanced streetcare i really think we need to take this

[4:16:34] seriously because it applies to quite a number of city trees and

[4:16:39] we can save our trees and save money so

[4:16:44] that i just want to share that with y'all

[4:16:48] thank you is that it

[4:16:51] um i do want to make a clarification of commissioners you've all received

[4:16:55] something in the mail from a concerned citizen you mean the

[4:17:01] anonymous letter the anonymous letter right and so i mean i hope if you if any

[4:17:05] of you had that concern um that you would come to me about it

[4:17:10] is absolutely absolutely false and um

[4:17:15] i think that it just i i don't understand why people are not

[4:17:21] willing to stand behind these letters with their names and come

[4:17:26] to us rather than try to spread these type of rumors but i just struggled and

[4:17:31] especially for you commissioner banks i just wanted you to know that in no way

[4:17:36] we are just about to celebrate our 35th wedding anniversary we've been together

[4:17:39] almost 39 years and he's stuck with me whether he wants

[4:17:43] to

[4:17:46] so so with that

[4:17:50] that's all i want to say and then we can't talk about it except

[4:17:53] for the fact i in public i just

[4:17:56] any time with these people um anybody listening that if you have these

[4:18:01] concerns please by all means reach out to us

[4:18:04] don't do it anonymously um i think it's a lot of things out there on facebook

[4:18:09] that's really ugly and and they do it anonymously and

[4:18:14] stand behind your words you know say it so that's all i gotta say

[4:18:18] and with that going to get a motion to close yes i just want to say one thing

[4:18:21] um actually that was a very ugly letter it

[4:18:24] had nothing to do with city business it was just ugly

[4:18:28] um so people shouldn't even try that stuff

[4:18:33] i don't think you've heard about this from any of us

[4:18:35] um and you know if there's a concern about finances or some actual issue

[4:18:41] you know fine go to the city manager but yeah just be ugly and i'm sorry that

[4:18:45] happened and if you just want to hurt me that's okay i can take it but don't hurt

[4:18:49] other people trying to get out exactly that was true

[4:18:53] with that said i would need a motion to close

[4:18:56] yes

[4:19:11] so i really think there's three ways that we could go about it the first one

[4:19:14] would be just a simple leak where

[4:19:17] there would not be an option to buy uh it could just be for a turn of years one

[4:19:21] year five years something like that where we retained ownership of it

[4:19:25] um but they used it or we could have an instance where there

[4:19:29] was a leash safe for like three years with an option to buy for a dollar at

[4:19:33] the end of three years if we were satisfied with the improvements they

[4:19:37] made and all that stuff or obviously there's the option to go ahead and beat

[4:19:41] it over to them i wouldn't just caution that we not do anything

[4:19:46] as far as transferring it ownership until they have their 501

[4:19:53] because they're immediately going to take on a

[4:19:56] almost thousand dollar a year tax consequence they're gonna take a lot of

[4:19:59] financial burden that's the only caution that i would have is to just if we're

[4:20:03] going to need the property over to them is to not do it until they have their

[4:20:08] non-profit status they don't take on a tax liability right away

[4:20:13] um but i just brought that up it wasn't on

[4:20:15] that but if y'all have any questions or want me to explore any other avenues

[4:20:20] can we sell that property sell it just not right

[4:20:26] just anybody yeah yeah i need to sell it to them

[4:20:34] you know what i mean

[4:20:36] then they have ownership i mean actually [Music]

[4:20:48] you have to have some sort of a dollar ten dollars

[4:20:52] you when you do that there has to be a monitor but it does have some value that

[4:20:57] the property has some value to see um it's not ten dollars but

[4:21:03] um you know that that just

[4:21:06] cleaned it up per se and they own it and then they can

[4:21:10] then they can do kind of what uh mr west said ron can go in and do the

[4:21:15] wiring for him and joe can come in and do the plumbing

[4:21:20] but anyway i'm just saying that yeah i think that's an option

[4:21:24] i think three years and then look at it then

[4:21:28] again at least for three years freshman year

[4:21:33] and then bring it back and look at it again and that takes a lot of depression

[4:21:37] because they just stopping now they just start now they're just trying

[4:21:41] to really they got good intention and they

[4:21:44] won't want the building

[4:21:47] so if we get three years and you know then go back and visit and get up into

[4:21:51] three years and see where they stand

[4:21:56] i think that would be a good one

[4:21:59] i think they will be happy

[4:22:03] yeah we just want to make sure that we just don't set them up for failure and

[4:22:06] that's and and bobby's made a very good point with that if we turn over

[4:22:10] ownership right now the financial burden i mean

[4:22:14] yeah the insurance the liability everything else is going to fall into

[4:22:18] that and so that just sets them up and that's the

[4:22:22] last thing we want to do because i think that yeah the last thing we want is to

[4:22:25] be back in this situation well and and to harm them in

[4:22:29] any way and the whole point of the workshop was

[4:22:34] it's the newman lodge there's

[4:22:37] it's a contributing structure and there's a

[4:22:40] lot of history there so the hope was to have a win-win

[4:22:44] and preserve what is including commissioner bank's history

[4:22:48] the town history um and i think commissioner banks is on

[4:22:52] the right track to give them to help them along to

[4:22:56] you know to make this a process that will work for everyone but i think he's

[4:23:00] got a good handle on diane you wanted to say something you've got you got one

[4:23:04] minute now would you go ahead thanks like sarah for chestnut street i

[4:23:09] don't understand why we're not handling a lodge the way salmon were handling the

[4:23:14] little blue house the city owns the building

[4:23:17] [Music] release it from them yeah

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Regular CRA - City Commission Meeting 6 9 2022

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