[0:06] I know.

[0:09] » Good luck. >> I'm good.

[0:12] » Okay. Uh, thanks, folks. >> You know, first and foremost, I want to

[0:18] address some of the comments being made online that really affect Jordan Sier.

[0:24] » Introduce yourself, sir. >> Tell these people who you are. How are

[0:29] you? >> Yes.

[0:34] » Sure. My name is Jay Trust. >> Okay. Thank you.

[0:36] » You bet. >> My name is Jay Trust. Uh we purchased

[0:40] the property just uh just north of here, just north of Bill.

[0:45] Uh the property is being discussed today.

[0:52] Um so

[0:57] we haven't proposed anything to plan. >> What we did was we we we bought the

[1:05] property and then we submitted a pre-application

[1:09] uh a pre-applica a pre-planning application and in fact I made a

[1:14] conscious effort to stay completely as far away from it as possible and be a uh

[1:20] investor with with Sienna and Jordan. uh they completed the the the

[1:26] pre-application process um and we were essentially looking at

[1:32] what the opportunities were, what could be what could be facilitated with this

[1:38] property. And yes, as Bill came back and

[1:44] discussed, we received our pre-application review. It was conducted

[1:51] by Zach Moody who's out of Medford and he identified that a smallcale

[2:01] private campground would be an allowable use. It would require so and I can just

[2:07] read some of this to you uh to read some of this to you now

[2:12] » and it may clear up some of the >> just a quick question to clarify the

[2:17] process because they talked about And so what is the process that you went

[2:24] through to say okay this

[2:30] how does that work >> that's so okay so that that and I would

[2:33] say the majority of the questions that that's the surrounding question right

[2:37] because a lot of the accusations are that I was manipulating the the process

[2:42] etc etc etc um which I was not but

[2:51] But so here's what it is. So here here's the

[2:56] rural residential zoning. Rural residential zoning has two outright

[3:01] permitted uses. Okay. Uh single family dwelling or mobile home and farming and

[3:07] forestry use. Okay. Then when you go to farming and forestry use

[3:14] the first part of pharmacy farming and forestry use is subject to the approval

[3:18] of the county governing body or its designate. So we the commissioners don't

[3:22] make those decisions. We have a designate who does that.

[3:26] » That's the plan our contracted planner out of metro.

[3:31] And it says a private campground may be established in an area zone for forest

[3:36] or mixed farm use subject to the approval of the county governing body or

[3:40] its designate. >> So excuse me, it is not zoned for that.

[3:44] It's a use for them for our R5. It is a use not

[3:56] and the the reality is a little more that's your interpretation. All we did

[4:00] was ask the question. >> I didn't create the interpretation.

[4:04] » Okay. >> As much as some people want to believe,

[4:07] » I had no >> I did. I'm clarifying what is real. I've

[4:12] read all of it. So, so, so, so, so, so when it says farming and forestry use is

[4:18] an outright permitted use in our our zoning areas,

[4:23] the farming and forestry use is the use. And if there's an outright use within

[4:29] farming and forestry zoning, that's that's how I'm interpreting what they

[4:34] wrote to us. >> That's how I'm interpreting that. So J,

[4:38] would you have to re have it reszoneed to forestry grazing to do this

[4:45] » or would you keep it as an RR5 and be allowed to do

[4:49] » not grazing project? >> Not according to the planner.

[4:55] So, so because and I'm just reading >> I'm just reading what they wrote and and

[5:01] I'll read I'll read the conclusion because that's the easiest that's the

[5:04] the cleanest statement in the in in the entire uh pre-application. Now, I want

[5:10] to remind you as well, >> Bill is right. Like, we don't have the

[5:15] plan. You don't have the plan until you find out whether or not it's something

[5:20] you can actually execute, which was why we did the pre-planning discussion

[5:24] because we wanted to see if it was even allowable.

[5:29] » Are you excavating now? >> No,

[5:34] » you don't have anybody over there working on it now doing anything at all.

[5:38] » No, so we have some of our equipment because we we're storing it there

[5:42] because uh Jordan does have an excavation business. Uh so that is

[5:47] sitting there certainly but you yeah you you you can look from the the 101 and

[5:55] see that it's just sand sitting there >> and so

[6:02] um back to back to the >> the process.

[6:06] » Yes. Go ahead. Sorry. >> So you're in the pre-planning. Yes. What

[6:10] have your conversations with EQ regarding waste and what is your plan

[6:14] pre-plann there pre-planning process?

[6:19] » We have literally we all we have submitted was the pre pre-planning

[6:24] application to the county. >> So the county approved a pre-planned

[6:30] without any conversation with >> No, they don't approve anything. They

[6:33] just they just write what you're capable or what their interpretation of the

[6:37] zones of what you can do. And so >> do they have anything specific to waste

[6:42] water or water use in general in this pre?

[6:45] » Oh, there's all the restrictions that are involved with it. So can I can I

[6:50] read the conclusion that might help? >> Okay.

[6:58] Here's the conclusions the concluding statement

[7:02] by by Zach Moody. The proposed development of a small

[7:07] scale luxury RV resort and campground by TK Ventures LLC at 24298 Carpenterville

[7:13] Road represents a project that is potentially available

[7:17] as a forestry use under RS215.49459

[7:23] subject to planning clearance review by the planning director. However, approval

[7:27] is contingent upon the applicant's ability to demonstrate full full

[7:30] compliance with all applicable provisions of the Curry County zoning

[7:35] ordinance, including but not limited to the standards listed above. So, that

[7:39] those are where your your concerns are going to come into play.

[7:42] » Well, think how close you are to the river there treatments to that is going

[7:46] to be I we do something for a living. drafted.

[7:50] Uh I I I feel pretty confident that we've

[7:55] somewhat abandoned the idea of a septic system like and like actually because if

[8:00] we're talking two weeks, right? In in in fact in in in order to

[8:07] in order to be compliance with the campground ordinance, it has to be less

[8:10] than 30 days, right? That's all campground ordinance. So, and we had

[8:16] anticipated of of maintaining around a two week uh maximum stay. We don't want

[8:22] what we don't want the the long the long-term thing isn't an option. So in

[8:30] fact that's why we were sticking with just water and power and and and not

[8:35] doing the black water. We we had ex we had discussed preliminarily discussed

[8:41] having a uh like a dump station with a control tank that we would have to pay

[8:47] to have pumped uh on a regular basis. Uh or else they'll have to drive to Harris

[8:52] Beach to the dump station at Harris Beach.

[8:54] » But you're going to have a lot of irresponsible people that are not going

[8:56] to do that. >> They're already doing it.

[9:01] » It's illegal, >> right?

[9:05] » They're they're doing it there. If we can get them

[9:08] » that's illegal >> here

[9:10] » to do it. >> They're not going to pay. They want to

[9:12] stay for free.

[9:16] » I I appreciate the assumption. I I don't I don't

[9:21] » So the thing with the the black and this is

[9:26] » we spend a lot of years in our motor home traveling every weekend to

[9:30] different motocross tracks and I did this for years and years all over

[9:33] Northern California, Oregon and up into Washington. And I will tell you for

[9:39] instance I was at Wugub at the big national race. Now it's a dry camping

[9:44] situation. I get up in the morning have my cup of coffee 06 and you look across

[9:49] the way down below and I see another motor home. It's getting we're getting

[9:52] close to leaving. You know, people are mo the big events are over. People are

[9:57] getting ready to head out. Motor homes are leaving. So, I look out there and I

[10:00] look down into the trees and I see a guy that has dug a hole. I'm not I'm not

[10:05] This is the real being truthful. He dug a hole with a shovel. He opened his

[10:10] black water and he dumped it in that hole right there

[10:13] » and then he filled it over. That's how I watched it. and then he drove away.

[10:18] That's one of my concerns when I say environmental because again, I've got

[10:23] little kids walking down that road through the campground. I got a dog, you

[10:27] know, now I get a dog that runs over and sticks his nose in this thing and man

[10:30] comes home and licks the baby in the face. You know, that's I know I know the

[10:36] intent would be what you just said. Hey, go Har Beach or we do a dump station at

[10:41] your place or whatever. But there's always going to be those guys

[10:45] » and I've seen them. So just something to think about.

[10:51] » I have a question. >> Yeah.

[10:53] » Okay. You kind of contradicted yourself just a little bit saying that you want

[10:58] to move the people out off of the 101 and put them in here.

[11:06] However, when you were talking, you actually said in the conclusion, a

[11:12] luxury resort.

[11:17] » What What is that? >> So, uh

[11:25] » I I don't know the I I don't know because we that's not what we put in

[11:29] when we applied. We just set a campground with RV.

[11:35] So,

[11:39] » yeah. Well, let me answer this one quickly. Okay. Um,

[11:43] so one of the things that we have been

[11:48] discussing again and I'm glad actually we're having this conversation because

[11:53] none of the none of our information is finalized in terms of what we plan to

[11:56] present. >> But,

[12:00] um, it's normal to have an expectation of RVs no older than 15 years with with

[12:10] and they have to have if if they're older than 15 years, they have to have

[12:15] uh you you have to basically get a a pre-approval by sending in the pictures

[12:22] of your condition of your of your >> and I and I am an RV owner and yes, you

[12:28] are correct where we had to send in a picture

[12:31] But my my question still is it's conclusion of the luxury versus the

[12:40] people on Highway 101 is completely different. And if you're talking luxury,

[12:47] are you going to have a campost who's going to be monitoring any of

[12:54] these things? I mean, >> no, no, and I'm so glad you asked that.

[12:57] Yeah, that's um so that is that isn't absolute. In fact, initially uh Jordan

[13:04] and Sienna would uh would be living on site to manage for the first to for to

[13:10] get through the first year or so startups. There will be a full-time

[13:15] campost probably u well possibly two because a lot of times one of them wants

[13:19] to go on vacation and need someone to pack a month. Um so yes yes yes there

[13:26] would be full-time supervision. Um the best

[13:32] model if I just to give everybody an understanding of the model of the idea

[13:39] would be florist. Okay. Uh that's in in my estimation the

[13:47] the closest model to what we in were initially

[13:53] envisioning. Now again it all I mean we don't have anything

[14:00] solidified. So a lot of the the answers I'm giving you are just what we've had

[14:06] in discussion. Uh because as Bill pointed out we we

[14:11] haven't started building the plant. >> Okay, hold on. I think this gentleman

[14:18] was >> Yes. What's the big draw here? What's

[14:20] going to draw these tourists here? They have no access to a river that is mostly

[14:26] private but a beach. What's the big draw here? What's going to make them all come

[14:30] here? Why would you do that to us without even telling us before that

[14:35] » when you to inform everybody if we didn't initiate

[14:41] this with Would you have initiated it with us?

[14:44] » Um, well, I did. I initiated it with Bill.

[14:47] » Oh, no. No. The community, the whole community, because you're everything

[14:50] that you do that is going to affect this entire community. And talking to Bill is

[14:55] not the entire community. >> If he didn't share it with us, none of

[15:00] us would know what you were doing. >> That's right. And so all of us would be

[15:04] our lights going to change. Our traffic's going to change. Our

[15:08] infrastructure is going to be um taxed. We don't have any sheriff and fire

[15:14] support for this. Our property values are going to plummet. I understand that

[15:18] you have your savings in it, but this is everybody has their life savings in it,

[15:21] too. >> So the thing is is you're you're

[15:25] inviting people into a community that is going to not be open to them. Everybody

[15:30] does. Nobody wants these people. be walking on the property across the

[15:33] property to get to our river. The river is going to have algae bloom. So,

[15:36] they're not going to be able to let their kids or their dogs into the river

[15:39] unless they want their dogs to die and that would be really good reviews for

[15:43] you. Yeah, we took our dogs in the river. It got algae bloom and it died.

[15:47] Great RV park. So, I just see a lot of problems with this. I see light

[15:52] pollution. I see sound pollution. I see safety. I see an influx of people that

[15:56] are are going to be wandering around with their side by sides. I see people

[16:01] decimating all the various that everybody here picks to to to sustain

[16:05] themselves over the season. I see swimming pools being inundated by

[16:08] people. I see garbage coming in with them. I see people not picking up after

[16:13] their animals. And by the way, when you say your RVs are going to be 15 years, I

[16:17] don't know if you saw all those RVs and those buses that were parked there for

[16:21] for months during CO. They were not 15 years or newer. Those buses were old.

[16:26] How are you going to maintain that that level of of who's going to be like

[16:31] inspecting these things and are you going to turn people away if they don't

[16:34] if they're not 15 years or newer? How what are you going to do about all that?

[16:47] To follow on that um a lot of these are details which is

[16:52] incredibly important.

[16:58] But my question is this this process is not zoned for

[17:04] that. So a lot of

[17:10] jump through to get it to be approved as an RV park and you as the chair

[17:17] commissioner happen to our county government. you

[17:22] have close connections with this person who is the one who has to obey it. So it

[17:27] just smacks of insider trading.

[17:39] » May I make a suggestion? How about both property owners? You keep mentioning

[17:43] Sienna and Jordan. Let's have all the owners up there

[17:48] » instead of laughing in the corner. >> And what about It's your property and

[17:52] your proposal.

[18:04] » Thank you. >> Thank you very much.

[18:11] » That's appropriate. >> That's appropriate.

[18:14] » Eleanor asked that we handle this in a controlled manner and I'm one to

[18:18] respect. I I respect the concerns and I respect the the unknowns, the fears.

[18:24] They're certainly real, >> but you can't answer questions for

[18:27] everyone if everyone is shouting at you. >> Well, and I appreciate that and I and I

[18:32] do understand that for a lot of you that was probably the intent. You know, you

[18:38] wanted your your pint uh >> done of flesh. I'm sure

[18:42] » we just begun this. >> So, um understood. Uh okay.

[18:53] So this is two part. The first one's direct question.

[18:56] » Do you live here in this? >> Does it matter?

[19:01] » It doesn't matter. >> Ladies and gentlemen, I will identify

[19:04] myself. Thank you. >> I am Jeremy Dire

[19:08] County Commissioner. >> My question is two part.

[19:13] » One, how many campsites are you supposed to?

[19:16] » We don't So, so we had a initial rough estimate, but we realized that's not

[19:22] going to fit >> rough estimate.

[19:25] » Uh, we don't know. >> Flores Lake is 18.

[19:30] » So, >> yeah, Flores Lake has 18, which he just

[19:34] said was his example.

[19:38] » Room lived in Pistol River during 2010.

[19:45] 2010 I was a forest officer of Fuse Force Protect Association

[19:49] » when a semi truck struck a passenger vehicle

[19:55] » right >> that fire

[19:57] sparked on the west side of the highway >> right

[20:01] » and ran I believe it was 100 acres >> in short order the only thing that

[20:06] stopped that fire was the shore pines >> that's right

[20:10] » it jumped a four lane sections highway way right up against where we're sitting

[20:15] here. >> Right out here by us.

[20:18] » My question is very simple. How can you think that having a campsite with open

[20:25] fires and an area of high winds and residential use be approvable and

[20:31] acceptable in such conditions? Obviously,

[20:42] you you know more about the plan than I do because we haven't discussed anything

[20:45] on fire. So, there's been no proposal for discussing

[20:50] one of the first things you consider when you do something like this. What

[20:53] would be the impact on these people? We might destroy everybody's home in this

[20:58] area with one careless camper. Are you going to put that bill?

[21:03] Can we take it out? Can we come back? Mr. Tro, your campsite caused a fire and

[21:09] wiped out the entire Pistol River area. What are you going to do about that? Are

[21:14] you going to pay our deductibles? Are you going to take care of us? Are you

[21:18] going to come down here and and and help the insurance people assess our our

[21:23] damage? What are you guys going to do about that? Are you going to jump? Are

[21:26] you going to come down here, jump on that yourself?

[21:30] » What are you going to do? I I I'm not I'm not going to answer your question

[21:36] » cuz you didn't consider it. >> We haven't even put together a proposal.

[21:42] » But that should be >> all we have done is ask what is capable

[21:46] of being done. >> Like I I I think that

[21:52] » we don't want we don't want you here.

[22:09] I'll listen to your question.

[22:19] » Not many, not all maintain their own defensive fire.

[22:27] ownership kind of fire that happens by each individual property owner. But I

[22:33] want to know what do you think your camp is going to give to the people the

[22:40] community there's no

[22:43] service you're going to collect money but what are you going to give to the

[22:50] community if you want to be a me

[22:58] » right so here so a couple of things um that we have uh

[23:08] uh been considering should this bill get through is uh offering like

[23:18] a week week long free stays for each household.

[23:37] But I mean we have so

[23:44] » my wife and I have we donate anywhere between 12 to 14,000

[23:49] a year back into the >> No,

[23:53] » because we >> I understand this.

[23:56] » My point is is that We we believe in reinvesting

[24:02] into the communities that work in

[24:19] » the rest of >> Can you guys hear me?

[24:22] » Yes. >> Okay.

[24:24] purchased the property >> and you're leaving.

[24:30] » So to be honest with you, I would like to take some ownership over the

[24:34] investigation of the development of this property. This has been one of my

[24:39] passion projects. I work in development for a living and I have dreams of

[24:46] creating little gems here and there. This is a community I grew up in and the

[24:50] community that I love for Kansas. And so I'm not going to say that our initial

[24:55] intention was to p purchase this property for this.

[24:59] » We purchased the property because we thought it was an opportunity, a really

[25:02] cool piece of property in a really beautiful area.

[25:05] » And so I kind of set out on a journey with the county planner to see what I

[25:11] could do with what's available to me. Whether it's an a house, building a

[25:17] house. I work in architecture for a living,

[25:20] » right? So I I've been building that's what I do

[25:25] » for something >> and that's still an absolute

[25:29] possibility. So to be honest with everyone in this room, I don't have a

[25:33] lot of answers because this was an attempt to start a dialogue with the

[25:38] county planner.

[25:46] She started with the planner. >> Right.

[25:49] » Right. So, I started the dialogue with the planner and I apologize to everyone

[25:52] in this room for not opening the floor to conversation to all of you. Um, I

[25:59] would be happy to answer questions to the best of my ability as long as

[26:03] they're presented in a respectful, reasonable way if I have an answer to

[26:08] them. >> Okay, I'm just going to preface that. I

[26:11] I don't have time to stand up here and argue and defend myself. Okay.

[26:15] » Can I ask a question? >> Absolutely.

[26:18] » I want to county

[26:30] and I want to ask about this because of his

[26:37] county employee.

[26:41] Who's involved in hiring?

Pistol River Alliance RV & CAMPGROUND DEVELOPMENT meeting

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