[0:00] and down - and there's another option you can just go across the road from

[0:09] where his this hydrant is go across the road not along and I kept anglers field

[0:18] there and that would help to other water users Duke has a shared yet dangles

[0:26] culinary and staff rooms have a shared so there's three lines on that side of

[0:35] the screen and really none on my side of the street you're gonna fight through

[0:42] that if I just talked to redeploy your community Robert I was talking to him

[0:53] about his water tastes better you know it's cheaper and so woody pieces yes

[1:01] made his mind up not sure he wants the water so why not put that line

[1:08] you're not the place you want to dig through there's a gas line and that's a

[1:13] number Eastwood there's an electrical line and that's a me and the Eastman

[1:21] Eastman like an art property we own over to the other side of the road we have 20

[1:29] feet of that 22 feet of that road is our property so there is nothing on the

[1:38] other side my proposal is go across the road from where it is right now take

[1:53] care of the stefanos and Dukes they may already have their life vitamins and Kip

[1:59] has - so we got three hydrants there thank you look at the subdivision

[2:10] it shows the abilities on the other side for us we do have

[2:17] so we looked at the easement when we designed it and generally I like to keep

[2:21] a lot of lying on one side of the road keep the utility corners the same

[2:25] throughout because when we start crossing with blinds it gets complicated

[2:28] and messy very quickly and so when we looked at that work but the plan is to

[2:32] put the floor like right off the edge asphalt which if the utilities that they

[2:37] sent me are correct which is why we're out of mistakes I can confirm there

[2:41] should be a corridor there that is not as far off of the asphalt the gas line

[2:45] currently is but it would keep it on that same road but there must present

[2:50] there that time and there and it appears from looking at the right away so we

[2:54] would be well within my right away so I agree with the 22 feet but it's you know

[2:59] that those 50 feet back gives us 22 you know seven or eight feet there and we're

[3:04] talking about being right off the edge as well there's only a couple they would

[3:08] have to close one way obviously they do work that guess line this is a little

[3:16] that might change things and that's why we had a bar but the plans they sent me

[3:20] show it in a different location short way back at the very head to the right

[3:23] away about the you know the asphalt and if that's correct that's like I'd be

[3:26] lying right next to you at home why we blues date is because a lot of times

[3:30] that's not right dude also don't you have to allow a certain distance between

[3:38] the gas line no no the only criteria there certainly

[3:47] a each city has a standard for help for buildable distance the only state code

[3:53] I'm aware of is the water and sewer can't be in the same trench there's

[3:57] plumbing codes regarding electrical power but I'm not aware of anything

[4:00] regarding water and power or water and gas obviously didn't like to be far

[4:06] enough apart that when you're gonna have a water line we don't hit the gas and

[4:08] vice versa so so you have a 30-foot easement on that side of the road 22

[4:15] feet of it already is part of the road right and then the other eight feet you

[4:22] have two lines running in there already and it just makes more sense quarter

[4:44] preservation so when we get water lines are going back across the road the notes

[4:48] are really hard to get anything in in the future and that was why I remember

[4:51] on when we did the big water line project we had a gas line that did that

[4:54] on a crossroad went down about 300 feet will back across the road and out there

[4:57] are people about and we made them fix it that's was right in front of my house

[5:04] and it certainly happened after they gasoline but when we do that it makes it

[5:07] really hard to figure out to get future utilities in and so yeah we're shooting

[5:12] there something you can very easily shoot yourself in the foot there's

[5:15] certainly place to where it's done and if the gas line is right off the asphalt

[5:18] you don't have any more easement there's certainly reasons why we may have to do

[5:22] that looking if the utilities the way they were drawn on the map it looked

[5:27] like there was plenty of room to keep it down on that side of the asphalt and I

[5:30] think that makes more sense from a porter preservation same point as far as

[5:35] the people that are interested today what we have on the plans is every lot

[5:38] we plan on setting a camp whether they were active or not because

[5:42] when you're there you know put a call of perceivable locations some would be

[5:46] usually hits with these right away potentially mess maybe right away others

[5:51] might not be used for years we did the same thing I'm right you know if we were

[5:54] in the water like that once I on the road we dive across where we had to put

[5:57] cams and connections to every lot those Lots haven't paid for those connections

[6:02] yet but we did it all once was a lot more contractors and so we would propose

[6:07] to do the same thing here but regardless of what side were left on we would cut

[6:11] across and run services to all of the available locks so that when the current

[6:16] or future owners wanted access we have the infrastructure in place

[6:24] and so without having seen the gas line I don't know if I have I don't have a

[6:28] recommendation on whether or not we need to move it to the other side of the room

[6:31] the gas line is where you're saying it is the nice would agree that the plan I

[6:36] have with with the water line right underneath the gas line and that's not

[6:39] going to work

[6:44] not impossible but they've got a lot more expensive but we won't know until

[6:47] the that Delta field just gets sparkling water if you are how do you handle that

[6:57] with the contract they were a change order and so the change order would be

[7:04] in the fittings and then the asphalt and so we have a square foot price on the

[7:08] asphalt so that one would be probably easy to figure and the fittings have

[7:12] have a cost on the market so the asphalt stated saying you have to cross through

[7:18] of a anyway whoever gives so if you cross the road just up the road a little

[7:24] bit it won't because we're putting services then they asked what makes it

[7:28] the same so we may be talking about a couple fittings but but regardless that

[7:31] we have a cost for asphalt and who would negotiated cuts for fittings and then we

[7:35] have I thought we had pretty much

[7:47] or a certain amount yeah yeah I don't have any money

[8:03] yeah the water line is more expensive so this probably isn't a good time to bring

[8:26] up your daughter on the coping 37 watt go your way okay another question about

[8:42] the right way is if it ends up not being right on the edge of the ice ball is it

[8:46] gonna it moves over or we're gonna end up incurring costs and fencing and

[8:51] landscaping and driveways and all that stuff as we go down that side of the

[8:55] street potentially I need billing at the Bliss dates so I already find that

[9:02] crossing the driveway so what do you rested that way at the asphalt light be

[9:06] back probably doesn't change things very much the landscaping at least the very

[9:11] first part was already part of it so whether you dig up just by feet of

[9:14] that's my feet I think that's the same it would become the fencing which

[9:18] there's some fencing that's already well within the right way and that becomes a

[9:22] question of what do we do with that do we know are we allowing new fences to be

[9:26] built in the right way and we have to take down to be put back to be put back

[9:30] in the right way or we go back on the right

[9:32] we're supposed to be those are all good questions that would need to be answers

[9:36] before we proceed so they have I think a lot of I don't think we're supposed to

[9:40] do Stanley I don't think we're as close to going if people think we are just

[9:43] because there's paint on the ground the paint on the ground was a attempt to

[9:47] determine whether or not what you told me company Sunday was correct and it

[9:52] sounds like it wasn't by Mary skirt-like receipt I could see your ex's point on

[10:00] the other side of the road and it's just open field you're going to keeping it

[10:07] clean and all right now it's easy to say oh these are here it's easier there when

[10:17] we did the design last time we worked really hard I'm picking one side of the

[10:21] road or the other and stick with it even through the areas that got tight because

[10:25] if you maybe happen to crossing you've just made it almost impossible but

[10:28] anything else anywhere in that corridor in the future yeah and I know we have no

[10:33] plans for anything new and tell me do so we have to work with them it's always

[10:43] about and I don't know that the other side of the road isn't a better option

[10:47] what I have on my utility maps what I have worked and made the most sense when

[10:54] utilities get map differently

[10:58] they ride really good I've been out of a few of these after we get contractors

[11:03] turning in a change order first thing out of writing about this well here's a

[11:07] contract what change okay who approve that change so he really watches out for

[11:12] the town okay so we still have get them with me what do you want to do on this

[11:33] application cycle ends before discussing the site right you made a motion I saw

[11:52] three hits so so much because I'm asking you what what if we want to do how do

[11:59] you want to proceed you have you have done that prior and so

[12:04] the site plan the sight line is the issue of is the setback so clarity

[12:11] that's I think one of the easiest things to do but whatever you guys want to do

[12:17] is this one's up to you guys so at this point we'll entertain a motion and

[12:22] discuss it discuss

[12:27] Hey break it again J okay I move that we continue this until next time okay

[12:37] a second type of ocean I have a second discuss it on the motion no discussions

[12:46] okay call for the vote all in favor any opposed

[12:51] any motion carries five to one

[12:58] yeah he's good okay that this will continue to our next find information

[13:06] meeting

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[13:13] that takes us to item number six approval of the April minutes I have one

[13:21] question throughout the meeting you have 20 tricks meetings were in

[13:26] active service I'm sorry what we did is that I work for you the we met with Ron

[13:41] from Twin Creeks who's looking at getting we talked earlier about the

[13:45] building better system and whether the town would incorporate that system in

[13:49] water line to service Stonehaven and that would be one of our transmission

[13:53] area lines and be able to service those people that are at capacity right now

[13:58] but in bumps we talked to probably a year ago two years ago they have applied

[14:05] for a grant they've got the engineering done and in fact the bid is in the back

[14:09] of the way for a 12 inch water line to go down Mill Road and then up the

[14:13] highway all the way to a little sweet rope tie that system in 12 inch water

[14:18] line so there's apply for the grant Twinkies and so they secured to grant

[14:23] and it's in the design phase that's actually activating it so that

[15:26] they damn taking care of their shortfall

[15:32] so coming on with Billy feathers their and expands really feathers to on down

[15:37] build room and where they big night no it's going down the road and then up

[15:41] the highway the highway border all the way to little sweet road and we'll

[15:45] connect their service the building the other Susan right because it was a

[15:53] capacity remember we had one of the residents that got the last dodo

[16:01] so then line running up the highway will tie in with the existing really brothers

[16:06] to feed that system for at home and then there's the and seward into

[16:12] that what's the sewer out of that well we met with them and we talked about the

[16:17] sewer and that line across Mill Road is all in the Twin Creeks area so it's

[16:23] service by sewer because it's in between Creek area and so that the way that

[16:29] works is the application comes to the town and their town doesn't it

[16:34] negotiation with typically to hook into that sewer line which is also across the

[16:40] highway no I already goes up to the trailer park so that in negotiations or

[16:45] is it just in quality no it's done it's we're in that area so so that's gonna

[16:51] take care of something as part of the discussion with something you know

[17:03] someday will that work right so we didn't even know was an option so we met

[17:07] with them and discuss what they was offering one thing that's a special

[17:11] service district that's the only portion only the course one that comes in yes

[17:17] and the sewer is up to the trailer park now it is yes servicing that trailer

[17:22] park on it but it doesn't go past the trailer

[17:31] the highway and I believe that 12h a lovely service it will be out of date no

[17:38] ma'am it's a 12 inch sewer line water okay what's what's nice is the sooner I

[17:44] don't know about the independence back shows commercial and residential one

[17:57] bunch of roads off the highway and a lot bigger than what we're discussing here

[18:03] tonight oh yeah 600 Eagles that's gonna be it's huge so this uh is this

[18:11] twittering seward crossing in the devil's city limits open the door for

[18:18] other municipalities to teens who are into them

[18:24] no it does exactly the opposite can't rain sewer from another municipality

[18:27] into special service didn't true it's a town and Daniel had its own sewer it's

[18:32] already serviced by this district and so when you go to that's all protected in

[18:37] that they went got to Grant's that's why do you have that it's all protected as

[18:41] their their area so if you proton that then you have to go through the courts

[18:47] if you're cooking on that area the potential you can't work it out you'll

[18:51] end up in court and so that's that's why the process is they apply to the town

[18:56] and there's a town negotiations between creeps typically what that means is

[19:01] doing pretty charges this bunch of town tax on their administration fees and

[19:05] charges the customer that's how it works just curious X protects opening the door

[19:13] to more lurid or Roth availabilities because there is a sewer service sewer

[19:19] service yeah that's a great concern close to our borders right and that date

[19:23] right back to what I said about the Health Department don't hang your zoning

[19:26] on the septic requirement because things change they have Microsystems now I mean

[19:32] everything changes there's only should be based on on the things of where ours

[19:36] is based on the values general plan all the things that we talk about because

[19:42] that's what happened in the county they went are a 5 because it one one seven

[19:45] four five but it doesn't call up that's going to be an experience yeah baby

[19:52] Bluebird here is to go bug about it in in town the town does have if you look

[19:57] on the zoning map up above there above the red barn we have are a one on that

[20:02] side to highway cool to be able to develop that they're going to have to

[20:06] run that super wide so and there's some interest looking at stuff that way right

[20:11] now so as bad Miami does more and more valuable it becomes pieces

[20:20] thank you it's a busy little patient yeah okay so approval of minutes April

[20:30] 18 everybody had a chance to review those any Corrections or additions there

[20:44] is one Tricia Tricia Xavier her name is Tricia

[20:50] Diamond Schneider is

[20:56] andr I don't think she signed in that's okay okay so does your motion to stand

[21:11] with that correction yes okay looking for a second holster motion in a second

[21:19] any discussion seeing none for the favor

[21:29] okay I don't remember seven motion to hear a

[21:34] motion to adjourn okay got motions our second on favor we

[21:41] stand adjourned until our next meeting okay before 9:30

Daniel Town Utah Planning Meeting June 20 ,2018 public hearing part 3

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