[12:35] Good evening everyone and welcome to our

[12:39] October 6, 2026 select board meeting.

[12:44] Member Bean, could you please lead us in

[12:46] the pledge of allegiance?

[12:50] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[12:53] United States of America and to the

[12:56] republic for which it stands. One nation

[12:59] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[13:02] justice for all.

[13:06] >> Thank you very much. I'll have the clerk

[13:08] uh read the agenda items.

[13:11] >> Approval of the minutes of September

[13:13] 3rd, 2026.

[13:15] >> I move we approve the minutes as

[13:16] presented. Do I have a second?

[13:19] >> Second.

[13:20] >> Any discussions?

[13:22] All those in favor say I. I.

[13:24] >> I.

[13:26] >> Abstain.

[13:27] >> That's uh that was I for

[13:29] >> 401.

[13:30] >> M1. Yes.

[13:31] >> Thank you.

[13:33] New public business. Limit comments to 3

[13:35] minutes or fewer.

[13:37] >> Any resident have questions, comments?

[13:40] Yes. If you want to just go to the

[13:41] microphone and introduce yourself.

[13:47] Good evening. Just want to make sure

[13:49] that you could see me.

[13:53] >> Who are you?

[13:54] >> I'll tell you one minute. There's one

[13:56] for everybody there, please.

[14:00] My name is Bill Bates. I'm a town

[14:02] meeting member from precinct 4. Um, and

[14:06] I'm also a Danvas crossing guard. And

[14:08] I'm here tonight to ask under new

[14:11] business for three requests. I

[14:14] respectfully ask that the board to

[14:17] discuss the many oh I'm sorry to add to

[14:19] a future agenda item [music] if you guys

[14:22] would consider a future agenda item for

[14:24] the following three items. The dangerous

[14:28] crosswalks that exist in our town.

[14:31] That's number one. The [clears throat]

[14:33] number of near misses every day is

[14:36] unacceptable.

[14:37] This is an [clears throat] accident

[14:39] waiting to happen.

[14:41] I come stand with in any day come out

[14:44] and stand with us as crossing guards and

[14:47] see what's going on out there. It's you

[14:49] will not believe it. We need flashing

[14:51] beacons at the most dangerous crosswalks

[14:55] now, not next summer.

[14:59] We I this is two years ago. I came here

[15:02] asking for help and it we've placed one

[15:06] flashing beacon in the two years.

[15:09] We can do better. Number two, discuss

[15:13] the structure of the current Danver

[15:15] Traffic Advisory Committee, DTAC. I

[15:19] would suggest you consider adding one

[15:22] town meeting member from each precinct

[15:25] to serve along with the select board

[15:27] liaison

[15:29] and town staff. That board doesn't

[15:32] really have any residents on there, so

[15:34] to speak. They're staff. And this

[15:37] confusion of when the meetings are held,

[15:39] whether they need to be publicized,

[15:41] whether they don't, for parents, and for

[15:44] crossing guards, that committee is is

[15:47] crucial. I know you folks are the town's

[15:51] traffic commissioners, and you've chosen

[15:53] to do this over the years through a

[15:55] traffic advisory committee. We can do

[15:57] better. and last to discuss the

[16:00] implementation of a traffic division

[16:04] within the Danvas Police Department.

[16:07] Danas Police Department was known for

[16:09] traffic stops for years and many felt it

[16:13] kept our community safer.

[16:16] Traffic is such a big issue in town, we

[16:19] should have officers who are experts in

[16:22] traffic management. I hope that the

[16:24] chair and the members will accept my

[16:27] respectfully made request to have the

[16:29] select board agenda in the future

[16:32] include these three items. And again,

[16:35] thank you for your service as always.

[16:38] Thank you very much. That's taken on the

[16:41] adviceman.

[16:42] Anybody else? Yes.

[16:58] Good evening, Mark Zuber, nine Glendale

[17:01] Drive.

[17:02] I come before you today to thank one of

[17:07] your board members, Dan Bennett, for

[17:10] [snorts] developing the Dan Bennett

[17:13] Show.

[17:14] I really was impressed with the

[17:18] presentation that happened, but it was a

[17:20] reaction to my show.

[17:23] I want to welcome you to the news media

[17:26] at DAT because we all participate in one

[17:30] way or another. Our views are shared by

[17:34] many residents and now they have a

[17:38] counter or another voice

[17:41] to my show which is the special report

[17:45] that was sent out on the stretch coat

[17:49] discussions that have been taken place.

[17:52] So I just didn't want you to think that

[17:54] I didn't notice but I did notice.

[17:58] I would therefore invite you to my show

[18:03] to express your views regarding the

[18:06] important decisions that our residents

[18:09] and town meeting members will be

[18:12] considering in the February warrant

[18:15] articles that are coming due.

[18:18] We can share our views and better inform

[18:22] the public. I only ask are your views

[18:26] personal or they reflect the board.

[18:30] [clears throat]

[18:31] I have been active on a news media show

[18:36] topics of the town news and I've invited

[18:41] many of you uh members of the board of

[18:43] selectmen

[18:45] and this is the first time that uh you

[18:48] know this you're the second one D has

[18:51] been active on different issues

[18:54] and uh yours is the newcomer to the DAT

[19:00] news media. So, welcome and I hope to be

[19:05] on your show or you can come on to my

[19:08] show and we can share the views because

[19:11] we need both sides. We cannot just

[19:14] accept one side of the views.

[19:17] >> Thank you.

[19:17] >> Mr. Chairman, may I make a few comments?

[19:19] >> Uh uh no, you you may want to think

[19:22] about it and

[19:24] >> if we need to have comments were made to

[19:25] make

[19:25] >> if we need to have it on the agenda, we will. Uh anybody else? I'm sorry, Mr.

[19:30] Chairman. I did not speak for this

[19:33] board and he alluded to that. Are these

[19:36] the board's thoughts? They're my

[19:38] thoughts.

[19:39] >> And Mr. Chairman, I

[19:41] >> Mr. Chairman, I I watched the show and

[19:43] he was

[19:43] >> I'm sorry. I'm not I'm not going to

[19:45] discuss about these. Um,

[19:48] anybody else?

[19:50] >> Yes,

[19:53] [clears throat and cough]

[19:56] Mr. Chair. Good evening, everybody. Uh

[19:58] my name is Luis Velasquez. I'm the vice

[20:00] chair of the Denver Human Rights and

[20:02] Inclusion Committee. And I'm here along

[20:03] with my colleague Paula Garcia Bledo.

[20:05] She's the chair of a celebration

[20:06] subcommittee. And we're here also an

[20:09] invitation. Um this invitation however

[20:12] is for um the human rights and inclusion

[20:15] committee celebration will be taking

[20:17] place on October 14th at 5:30 p.m. in

[20:23] the library. Um and to tell you all

[20:26] about it, I want to introduce my

[20:27] colleague again pao.

[20:31] » Good evening everyone. Um and thank you

[20:33] Luis for that wonderful introduction. U

[20:35] my name is Paola and I'm the

[20:36] subcommittee chair for this annual

[20:38] celebration event. Um, so mark your

[20:40] calendars on October 15th at 5:30 p.m.

[20:43] um at our library in the Gordon Room is

[20:45] kind of the space [clears throat]

[20:45] adjacent to it. Um, we are planning to

[20:48] have a wonderful evening um with

[20:50] delicious local food, great community

[20:52] resources,

[20:53] >> [music]

[20:53] >> um, a very uh, beautiful interactive art

[20:56] display and a screening of a culturally

[20:58] relevant film. Um, this year we wanted

[21:00] to be very intentional with our event to

[21:02] fully celebrate the beauty and

[21:03] contributions of the Hispanic and Latinx

[21:05] community. Um, like most communities in

[21:07] our country, in our town, the Latinx and

[21:10] Hispanic um, community is one enriched

[21:12] by a long history of migration through

[21:13] which various cuisines, music, art, and

[21:15] intellect have come to enrich our

[21:17] American [music] um, culture and

[21:18] community. Um, and it's something that

[21:20] we want to honor this year. Um, it will

[21:22] be a thoughtful and enjoyable

[21:23] celebration. So, please, please come.

[21:25] It's going to be a good time. Um, and

[21:26] now I will pass it [music] back to Luis

[21:28] for a few closing remarks.

[21:31] >> Thank you, Paul. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[21:32] So, once again, uh, mark your calendars

[21:35] everybody. We hope to see you on for

[21:37] October 14th, 5:30 p.m. at the library

[21:40] and um look forward to you there. Thank

[21:42] you very much.

[21:44] >> Thank you.

[21:47] Anybody else?

[21:49] Yes.

[21:51] You want to just go to the microphone

[21:52] and introduce yourself?

[21:55] >> Oh, boy.

[22:00] » Thank you, Bill.

[22:02] My name is Everly and I wanted to

[22:04] introduce this new boss and my nana

[22:09] which is in the blue jacket.

[22:11] >> Thank [laughter] you.

[22:13] >> Thank you Emily.

[22:15] >> Thank you.

[22:16] >> No idea. Thank you. [laughter] Wow. Good

[22:18] girl.

[22:22] » Anybody else?

[22:25] >> Hear none. Okay. Madame clerk. The board

[22:29] will consider the acceptance of a

[22:30] donation from the friends of the Davis

[22:32] Rail Trail in accordance with MGL

[22:34] chapter 44 section 53A.

[22:38] » They told me someone would be here.

[22:40] >> Uh

[22:40] >> I think I was like I'm assuming that's

[22:43] speak to that.

[22:45] >> Oh, sure.

[22:49] » Hi, my name is Corey Grace. I am a town

[22:52] meeting member precinct 4, but I am also

[22:54] the treasurer for the Diverse Rail Trail

[22:56] and I'm also a town employee. Shall I go

[22:58] on? I'm small [laughter] business owner.

[23:00] No. Um [clears throat] I I'm a little

[23:04] surprised because I thought somebody

[23:05] else was here. I was here for support.

[23:08] But um so the rail trail, I don't know

[23:12] if anybody is familiar with the duty

[23:14] stations. They have them um currently at

[23:18] um the beach. And there's one other

[23:21] place and I'm sorry um

[23:22] >> Endeott Park. Yeah,

[23:24] >> Ender Park. At the dog park at Ender.

[23:27] Okay. Thank you. Um, and we would like

[23:29] to place we would like to donate three

[23:31] of [music] those to be placed on the

[23:33] rail trail, but we want to make it clear

[23:35] that we will be fully responsible for

[23:37] them. I believe was everybody given anou

[23:41] on those?

[23:41] >> No, memo. A memo.

[23:42] >> A memo. Okay. Um, so the um I just want

[23:46] to say that the rail trail if they don't

[23:48] work out, if there's complaints, we will

[23:49] be putting stickers on them that will

[23:52] instruct people that if they do have

[23:54] complaints to call the rail trail

[23:56] volunteers not to bother the town or or

[24:00] um the um land and use services

[24:04] department. And if for some reason

[24:07] they're not working out, we will we will

[24:09] make the calls to the people to service

[24:11] them. [music] And if they're damaged, we

[24:15] will repair them. [music] And if at

[24:18] after a certain amount of time, if the

[24:19] town doesn't want them there anymore or

[24:21] if there's complaints about them, we

[24:23] will um pay the cost to have them

[24:25] removed. But we think that it's a great

[24:27] idea. We've come to an agreement with

[24:30] the company. We will supply the bags.

[24:32] They will come once or twice a week

[24:34] depending upon the need and depending

[24:36] upon the location. Um the rail trail

[24:39] committee has been getting a lot of

[24:41] complaints of people just piling up,

[24:44] especially in the springtime. They're

[24:46] finding piles of um dog waste bags

[24:49] [music]

[24:50] on the rail trail in different spots. So

[24:52] the three places that have been the most

[24:54] complained about are the three places

[24:55] that they're trying [music] to aim for.

[24:59] >> Thank you very much. Uh board members,

[25:01] any questions, comments? I'll start with

[25:04] member Bernard.

[25:05] >> No, good job. We love the rail trail.

[25:07] Thank you for all the work that you

[25:08] everybody does. I'm all support that.

[25:11] Thank you.

[25:11] >> Thank you, member Bennett.

[25:13] >> Thank you, Corey, for taking this

[25:15] initiative, your group. That's our

[25:16] biggest complaint when we walk is the

[25:18] bags.

[25:20] >> Thank you,

[25:22] >> member Bean.

[25:23] >> Uh thank you, Corey. Uh great idea. Uh

[25:26] good service. Uh probably need a

[25:28] training for everybody on the rail trail

[25:30] so they're not whipping the bags like

[25:32] they do, but uh just a thing. Maybe

[25:35] it'll get better. Thank you

[25:38] >> member to ask.

[25:39] >> Um I too thank you. I appreciate the

[25:41] effort to try to um clean up. You can't

[25:44] legislate good manners and but at least

[25:47] we can try to mitigate bad manners by

[25:49] providing this opportunity. So I'm thank

[25:51] you for it.

[25:53] >> Thank you very much for everything. I'll

[25:55] entertain a motion.

[25:57] >> I move we accept the gift with a um

[25:59] appropriate letter of thanks from the

[26:01] town.

[26:02] >> Second.

[26:02] >> Any further discussions

[26:05] hear? None. All those in favor say I.

[26:07] >> I.

[26:09] >> Thank you very much.

[26:10] >> Thank you.

[26:13] >> The board will issue a proclamation in

[26:15] recognition of breast cancer awareness

[26:17] month.

[26:18] >> Thank you. Uh so this item um is a

[26:22] request for a proclamation declaring

[26:24] October 2026 breast cancer awareness

[26:27] month in Danvers. Uh but before we

[26:30] begin, I want to make a disclosure. Uh

[26:33] the resident presenting this request is

[26:35] my wife. I consulted with the state

[26:38] ethic commission and I was advised that

[26:41] I may preside over this item and vote on

[26:45] it as well provided I can be fair and

[26:48] impartial.

[26:50] I I swear I can [laughter]

[26:56] um

[26:58] uh I have also filed a written

[27:00] disclosure with the town clerk uh which

[27:03] is available for public um um as a

[27:07] public record.

[27:07] >> Yes, I have it.

[27:08] >> Um so with that, I would like to invite

[27:11] Justin Jooko to the podium.

[27:17] » Everybody's bringing some fun to this

[27:19] game. You need a bear every month.

[27:29] » Good evening, member uh Mr. Chair and

[27:33] member of the board.

[27:36] My name is Joselyn Jooko and I live at 4

[27:40] Old Stonewall Avenue.

[27:43] Thank you for having me tonight.

[27:46] I usually watch these meetings

[27:50] from home on TV and I leave all the

[27:55] talking to my husband. [laughter]

[27:57] But tonight was too important for me to

[28:01] stay home.

[28:04] I am here as a resident, as a health

[28:07] care professional,

[28:10] and as a breast cancer survivor.

[28:14] In 2015,

[28:17] I had just come back from England on a

[28:20] nice vacation. [music]

[28:23] I had a head cold.

[28:26] So, I booked a doctor appointment for

[28:29] 10:00 a.m.

[28:32] When I arrived, they told me I did not

[28:36] have an appointment.

[28:39] I was disappointed. I was angry.

[28:43] I was sure my husband had forgotten to

[28:47] book

[28:48] [laughter] to book it for me.

[28:52] » They asked me to come back at 3:00 to

[28:56] see my PCP.

[28:58] When I came back, he said, "You almost

[29:02] due for your physical.

[29:04] Let's do it today." I said, "Yes, sure."

[29:09] During that physical,

[29:12] [snorts] he felt something unusual.

[29:16] That appointment I almost missed changed

[29:20] the course of my life.

[29:23] I had a lumpctomy in 2016.

[29:28] Then a chemotherapy and a radiation

[29:32] therapy.

[29:34] Today I am 10 years cancer free.

[29:40] I am thankful every single day.

[29:45] For a long time I could not talk about

[29:48] it. is still not easy, but I'm speaking

[29:53] tonight because it's important.

[30:00] About one in

[30:03] eight women in this country will be

[30:06] diagnosed with breast cancer

[30:10] in their lifetime.

[30:13] This year, more than 320 women will hear

[30:17] the words, "You have breast cancer."

[30:24] There,

[30:31] but there is a hope.

[30:35] The fiveear survival rate is nearly 100%

[30:40] when detected early.

[30:43] And since 1889

[30:46] breast cancer death have gone down by

[30:50] 44%.

[30:52] Today there are more than 4 million

[30:56] survivor in the US. I am proud to be one

[30:59] of them.

[31:02] Early detection saves lives

[31:06] and the more support a patient has, the

[31:10] stronger she is.

[31:13] Denver already shows

[31:16] that support. In October, our police

[31:20] officers wear pink patches and our

[31:24] firefighters

[31:26] have have pink t-shirt for the same

[31:31] cause

[31:33] to our police department and fire

[31:37] department. Thank you.

[31:41] They show they have shown us the way.

[31:44] Tonight I am asking that our whole town

[31:48] stand with them.

[31:50] So I respectfully

[31:53] asked the board to proclaim October 2026

[31:58] breast cancer awareness month in Denver.

[32:03] Let it be for the patient fighting

[32:05] today.

[32:07] for the survivor,

[32:10] for the families,

[32:12] and for those

[32:14] we have lost whose names we carry with

[32:18] love.

[32:20] Some of my family and friends are here

[32:25] with me tonight wearing pink.

[32:30] And

[32:31] everyone watching,

[32:34] please do not skip your checkup.

[32:37] Please do not cancel your mamogram.

[32:41] It could save your life your life like

[32:44] it save mine. Thank you.

[32:49] [applause]

[32:57] Thank you very much. Um, so I will have

[33:01] member

[33:03] uh Bernard actually read the draft

[33:06] proclamation if you could before

[33:08] >> it would be my honor, Mr. Chair, and

[33:10] you're a remarkable woman. Thank you.

[33:12] >> Um, breast cancer awareness month,

[33:15] October 2026. Whereas breast cancer is

[33:18] the most commonly diagnosed cancer among

[33:20] women in Massachusetts in the United

[33:22] States. And about one in eight women in

[33:25] the United States will be diagnosed with

[33:26] breast cancer in her lifetime. And

[33:29] whereas the American Cancer Society

[33:32] estimates that in 2026 about 321,910

[33:37] women in the United States will be

[33:39] diagnosed with invasive breast cancer

[33:42] and about 42,140

[33:45] women will die from the disease. And

[33:47] whereas breast cancer also affects men

[33:50] and it touches the lives of countless

[33:52] family, friends, co-workers, and

[33:55] neighbors in Damas. And whereas when

[33:58] breast cancer is found early while still

[34:00] localized, the 5-year relative survival

[34:04] rate is nearly 100% making regular

[34:07] screening, routine checkups, and

[34:09] awareness among the most powerful tools

[34:12] we have. And whereas breast cancer death

[34:15] rate in the United States has fallen by

[34:18] 44% since 1989 thanks to early detection

[34:23] research and improved treatment. And

[34:25] there are now more than four million

[34:28] breast cancer survivors in our nation.

[34:30] And whereas about 85% of breast cancers

[34:34] occur in women with no family history of

[34:37] the disease. which is why every person

[34:39] should know the signs and talk with a

[34:41] health care provider about screening.

[34:44] And whereas patients, survivors, and

[34:47] their families are strengthened by the

[34:48] support of their community and the town

[34:50] of Danvas wishes to stand with them in

[34:53] hope and solidarity. Now, therefore, we

[34:56] the select board of the town of Damas do

[34:59] hereby proclaim October 2026 as breast

[35:03] cancer awareness month in the town of

[35:05] Damis. And we honor the courage of those

[35:08] living with breast cancer and strength

[35:11] of survivors. Remember with love those

[35:14] we have lost to breast cancer and

[35:16] support the families who carry their

[35:18] memory. Thank the doctors, nur nurses,

[35:21] pharmacists, caregivers, researchers,

[35:23] and volunteers who serve patients every

[35:26] day and encourage all residents to learn

[35:29] about early detection and to schedule

[35:31] their recommended screenings and

[35:32] checkups.

[35:34] >> Second, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very

[35:35] much. Um, so the motion has been made. It's been

[35:40] seconded. Any discussion? Member Task?

[35:44] >> No, no discussion. Thank you for getting

[35:45] up and bring this to our attention.

[35:49] >> Member Bean. [clears throat]

[35:51] >> Uh, no discussion. Thank you very much.

[35:53] God bless.

[35:55] >> Member Bennett.

[35:57] >> My aunt and stepsister had breast

[36:00] cancer.

[36:02] >> [clears throat]

[36:02] >> Neither one lived beyond 10 years.

[36:06] [snorts] They passed away. Um, so it

[36:09] they didn't have really detection

[36:11] obviously and what a family goes

[36:14] through. I can appreciate and appreciate

[36:17] what you and your family went through.

[36:21] >> Thank you.

[36:22] >> Member Bernard.

[36:23] >> Thank you so much for having the courage

[36:24] and getting up and and telling your

[36:26] story. Um, as we all say, we all get

[36:29] busy, right? work, meetings, everything,

[36:32] early detection. Don't miss those

[36:34] appointments. And um thank you very

[36:36] much.

[36:37] >> Thank you.

[36:37] So I did get a motion and

[36:40] it's being seconded.

[36:42] >> Who made the motion?

[36:43] >> Morin, what you read? Second.

[36:46] >> Second. Any further discussions?

[36:49] Hear none. All those in favor say I. I.

[36:51] >> I.

[36:52] >> Okay. 5. Well, on on a personal note,

[36:55] now that the vote has passed, I I'll say

[36:58] um well, Justin is my wife of 28 years,

[37:03] um she's brave and she she's a rock star

[37:08] and

[37:09] uh but but like she said herself, this

[37:12] is not about one person. Um to every

[37:14] survivor, every

[37:17] uh patient, every family members

[37:19] tonight, uh this is for you. Um this is

[37:23] for you. So, thank you for all you do

[37:26] and thank you,

[37:28] >> Mr. Chairman, if I may. I believe our

[37:30] police chief brought something and I

[37:33] will say while he's getting up, um the

[37:35] fire t-shirts that are for sale to raise

[37:37] money for breast cancer awareness, they

[37:39] sold out over the weekend.

[37:40] >> Wow. Which is incredible Monday.

[37:42] >> We were going to get We were planning on

[37:44] bringing one for you, so I'm sorry that

[37:45] they're not here. Um but they hope to

[37:47] have them restocked for their open house

[37:48] on Thursday. and Chief Levelville has

[37:52] something with him.

[37:53] >> Um so back in 2021 I became chief. Uh we

[37:56] began the pink patch project in Danvers.

[37:58] [music]

[37:59] Um this is a nationwide initiative that

[38:01] is aimed to bring awareness to breast

[38:03] cancer awareness by dawning pink patches

[38:06] for the month of October. Um although

[38:08] not mandatory um probably 99% of our

[38:11] department participates in this and

[38:12] wears it proudly throughout the month of

[38:14] October. So on behalf of the police

[38:16] department, I'd like to present Mrs.

[38:17] Djoko one of our patches.

[38:23] » [applause]

[38:34] » Thank you, Chief.

[38:38] Next,

[38:39] >> a public hearing will be held on the

[38:40] application of Mattiey's Cafe and

[38:42] Catering doing business as Mattiey's

[38:44] Cafe and Catering 75 Sylen Street

[38:46] Matthew Fellows owner for a transfer of

[38:49] a common vict a license at that

[38:51] location.

[38:52] >> Whis to speak to that. Want to just go

[38:55] to the microphone and introduce

[38:56] yourself?

[39:02] » How you doing? My name is Matthew

[39:04] Fellows. This is my wife, Andrea. Uh I'm

[39:06] here tonight uh to ask you for a

[39:08] transfer of a common vict uh for 75

[39:11] Silven Street after purchasing Zoe's

[39:13] Cafe and turning it into Mattiey's Cafe

[39:15] and Catering. Um, I have been in the

[39:17] food industry for over well over 20

[39:19] years doing anything from pizza making

[39:22] to working in high-end uh catering. And

[39:25] uh my last venture was a at the lot over

[39:27] in Middleton. I owned Goodfellow's food

[39:29] truck. I did that for four years. Um,

[39:32] but I was really just looking for

[39:33] something that was an opportunity of

[39:34] brick and mortar and after closing the

[39:37] doors on the food truck, I found this

[39:38] opportunity and it was just a

[39:41] opportunity I couldn't really stand up

[39:43] for. So I needed to make sure that I was

[39:44] able to do it. So, this is what I'm just

[39:46] asking from you guys today and if you

[39:48] have any questions for me, I am happy to

[39:49] ask answer them.

[39:51] >> Thank you very much. Board member, any

[39:53] questions, comments? Member Bennett?

[39:55] >> None.

[39:57] >> Thank you. Member Bean.

[40:00] >> Uh, thank you, Mr. Chad. Can you tell us

[40:02] what kind of food you guys?

[40:03] >> Absolutely. Um, anything from a lot of

[40:05] stuff is just going to be helpful for

[40:07] the people that are working in there.

[40:09] So, fast graband go things like wraps,

[40:12] burgers, salads, sandwiches, uh things

[40:15] of that nature. I make a lot of the food

[40:17] myself. So, I I make my own brisket for

[40:20] pastrami. I do my own pulled pork. Um I

[40:22] make a lot of my own like my turkey for

[40:24] my gobbler, my all my sauces. So, I try

[40:27] to do everything from scratch. So, it's

[40:28] much more like more feel to the food. Um

[40:32] so, you really feel it when you eat it.

[40:33] So, that's kind of the goal for me.

[40:35] >> Sounds good. Sounds good. Good luck.

[40:37] >> Thank you very much. Thank you, member

[40:39] Task.

[40:40] >> And you also serve breakfast, don't you?

[40:42] >> Yes,

[40:42] >> you do. And when I come to the building,

[40:44] as I if I'm coming off Silven Street,

[40:46] what's the best way to find your

[40:48] >> um there's there's uh both building it's

[40:50] building B, so it's the center. It's

[40:52] kind of the center building. It's offset

[40:53] to the left. It's

[40:55] doors B4 and B5. They're a little

[40:58] difficult to get to. I've kind of been

[41:00] using uh lawn signs for right now just

[41:02] to kind of point people in the right

[41:04] direction. Um, but it's inside of

[41:06] building uh between building B4 and B5.

[41:09] Um, and it's welcome to the public as

[41:12] well as anybody that's in the building.

[41:13] >> Great. Good luck to you.

[41:14] >> Thank you very much.

[41:15] >> Thank you. Uh, member Bernard.

[41:18] >> Sounds delicious. Um, looking forward to

[41:21] it. Good luck.

[41:22] >> Thank you.

[41:22] Uh, no questions on my part.

[41:25] This is a public hearing. Anybody in the

[41:27] audience has a questions, comments?

[41:30] >> Hear none.

[41:31] >> Motion to close the public hearing.

[41:33] >> Second the motion. All those in favor

[41:34] say I. I. I'll entertain a motion.

[41:38] >> I move we accept the application as

[41:39] presented.

[41:41] >> I need a second.

[41:42] >> Second.

[41:43] >> Any further discussions? All those in

[41:46] favor say I. I.

[41:47] >> I.

[41:48] >> 50.

[41:49] >> Thank you.

[41:50] >> Good luck.

[41:50] >> Thank you very much.

[41:51] >> Thank you.

[41:55] » [clears throat]

[41:56] >> The board is in receipt of I'm going to

[41:58] correct that to four applications by

[42:00] Essex Northshore Agricultural and

[42:02] Technical School at 565 Maple Street,

[42:04] the Larkin Center. Jill Sawyer, event

[42:07] coordinator for four one-day wall wine

[42:10] and malt licenses for the gala, the

[42:13] Larkin Gala, Saturday, October 24th from

[42:16] 6 to 10:00 p.m. The Essex County

[42:18] Community Foundation for Strategy

[42:21] meeting on Thursday, October 22nd from 5

[42:24] to 9:00 p.m. A private baby shower on

[42:27] Sunday, October 18 from 10 to 2. another

[42:30] private baby shower on Sunday, November

[42:32] 7th, and I've got the time as 11:00 a.m.

[42:35] to 2:00 p.m.

[42:37] >> Okay, perfect. 11:00 a.m. to 2 p.m.

[42:40] >> 11 to 2. Yes.

[42:41] >> Thank you.

[42:42] >> Sure, you can go ahead.

[42:44] >> Hi, I'm Jill Sawyer representing Essex

[42:46] Tech, the Larkin um center. Also want to

[42:48] introduce our new event coordinator,

[42:50] Amarie Cody. Um she will be kind of

[42:53] coming forward and passing the torches.

[42:55] I'll probably be with her to support

[42:56] her. Um but as the event coordinator

[42:58] that's going to be on site for all of

[43:00] these events, she will be in front of

[43:02] the board for future one day liquor

[43:03] license. So we have the four that um

[43:06] were mentioned. Um there's only one out

[43:09] of the three that is a public event, the

[43:11] Larkin Gayla. The rest are all private

[43:13] events.

[43:15] >> So

[43:16] >> Okay. Thank you. Uh board members, any

[43:19] questions, comments? um member twice

[43:23] >> and who are going to be catering these

[43:26] individual events?

[43:27] >> So the events um for the the catering is

[43:30] going to be done either by this um the

[43:32] school the students at our um culinary

[43:34] as far as the liquor service. The

[43:37] larking gila is from um refined

[43:39] refreshments and the other three is

[43:41] happy hostess.

[43:43] >> Okay. Those are departures from your

[43:46] usual

[43:47] >> Yes. like a service. I'm I'm sure the

[43:50] town clerk would know that those are

[43:53] >> Okay.

[43:54] >> Well, right. They're um tip certified.

[43:56] Um

[43:57] >> very good. Okay.

[43:58] >> So, we part of that is the um submitting

[44:00] their tip certification as well as their

[44:02] liability insurance. Um we've just found

[44:04] as as the um center has kind of grown in

[44:07] popularity as far as events, trying to

[44:09] book it with the same um bartending

[44:11] service has been kind of a challenge.

[44:13] We're hoping that um Happy Hostess doing

[44:15] three events might move forward with

[44:17] kind of continuing to partner with us.

[44:19] >> Wonderful. Thank you. Uh if their trips

[44:20] to Right. I have no other questions.

[44:22] Thank you.

[44:23] >> Thank you. Member Bean.

[44:25] >> Uh no, I think you guys do a great job

[44:27] at the school. I hope more people go

[44:29] trade school. Thank you.

[44:32] >> Member Bennett.

[44:33] >> All set. Thank you.

[44:35] >> Member Bernard.

[44:36] >> I know. All set. Good luck.

[44:38] >> Thank you. [cough and clears throat]

[44:39] >> Uh I will entertain a motion. You could

[44:42] do them all. You're going to do them all

[44:43] as one.

[44:44] >> Uh, we could if the board choose to do

[44:46] so.

[44:47] >> So, I entertain a motion. Mr.

[44:49] >> Chairman, make a motion that we accept

[44:50] all four applications as presented.

[44:53] >> Secondly, move.

[44:54] >> Any further discussions?

[44:57] All those in favor say I. I.

[44:59] >> I.

[45:00] >> Oppose.

[45:01] >> Me. [laughter]

[45:03] >> 41.

[45:04] >> Thank you.

[45:07] >> Good luck. Thank you.

[45:08] >> Great. Thank you.

[45:11] The board will hear detailed information

[45:14] pursuant to a request to modify the

[45:16] previously granted application of GC

[45:19] Federa Contracting LLC Jeppi Fediraa

[45:22] Manager President to occupy the public

[45:25] way in front of 17 Elm Street. Um the applicant u provided an a letter

[45:33] this a late this afternoon um unable to

[45:36] attend the meeting tonight.

[45:38] >> Okay. So, madame power manager.

[45:40] >> Sure.

[45:41] >> Any update from staff or

[45:42] >> Yes. Um, one second.

[45:51] So staff um have been including the

[45:54] building commissioner and the DPW

[45:56] director have been working consistently

[45:58] with um the developers at 17 Elm Street

[46:01] through the past week um trying to get

[46:04] the work finished up. The uh date that

[46:06] you had issued in your last permit to

[46:09] occupy the sidewalk was October 2nd,

[46:11] Friday, October 2nd. Um clearly they

[46:14] have are not there yet. Um both Stephen

[46:18] and Tim have spoken to them as recently

[46:21] as today.

[46:22] >> Um there is a recommendation in your

[46:25] packet um from staff or actually I think

[46:28] Mr. Chair I sent it to you I put it on

[46:31] the top of yours. Um they are they are

[46:34] suggesting that you impose the $20 fee

[46:38] um every day starting on October 3rd

[46:40] when the permit was um expired until

[46:44] they are finished with that work. Um

[46:46] they expect it will be shortly. They

[46:48] have um Page Street will not be paved

[46:52] until the spring but it will be open to

[46:54] the public. So they don't foresee um the

[46:57] finding for that for that location, but

[47:00] they would expect um sidewalk to be open

[47:02] Wednesday or Thursday and fines to be

[47:04] roughly for those few days. So they are

[47:06] very close to finishing up. Um they have

[47:09] been cooperative with staff uh and but

[47:11] to be consistent, we're recommending we

[47:13] let them proceed but find them until

[47:15] they are done.

[47:17] >> Thank you. Uh board members questions,

[47:19] comments uh I will start by member Bean.

[47:23] Uh, no. I read the letter they dropped

[47:25] off here. Um, so we're almost there.

[47:29] That's my only comment.

[47:30] >> Okay. Uh, member Bennett,

[47:33] >> why have this hearing if people aren't

[47:34] going to show up? I don't know why

[47:36] [clears throat] your letter is

[47:37] acceptable.

[47:40] » You don't know why. What is acceptable?

[47:42] >> The letter.

[47:43] >> Oh, okay.

[47:43] >> They should be here in person to answer

[47:45] questions, defend themselves,

[47:48] [clears throat] make their presentation.

[47:50] Do we now just go to everybody can just

[47:52] send a letter in with a request? I think

[47:56] it's fairly

[47:58] unfair to this board and I think it's

[48:01] insulting

[48:03] and $20 a day, big deal.

[48:09] » Member Bernard.

[48:12] >> Um well, it looks like progress is going

[48:15] along well. Um, if Tim and um,

[48:19] >> Stephen

[48:20] >> and Stephen are okay with it, I'll be

[48:22] okay with it. Um, and imposing the $20

[48:25] fee a day until the work's done.

[48:28] >> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

[48:29] >> Mr. Chairman, if I may,

[48:31] >> it's not Stevens or Temps to act on our

[48:36] behalf.

[48:39] >> The recommendation [snorts]

[48:40] is fine.

[48:43] >> Oh, no. board this board should be a

[48:45] little more proactive with these issues

[48:48] >> if I might.

[48:49] >> I I I I mean hold on. Uh yes, member to

[48:53] ask.

[48:54] >> So I'm I'm with Select Bennett. Um this

[48:56] is the second time this applicant has

[48:58] failed to show with adequate notice that

[49:00] they should be here. Um or they have

[49:03] sent representation that was the general

[49:05] contractor and not the owner, the people

[49:07] for whom we would ask the questions. I

[49:10] find it I do not accept their apology

[49:13] here. This is completely unprofessional.

[49:17] The fact that they're moving along well

[49:19] now is in independent of the fact that

[49:21] they should have been done literally

[49:22] months ago. I am in favor of in some

[49:26] manner creating some some

[49:29] uh response to this more than just the

[49:32] $20. And I know we're going to talk

[49:34] about working on the fines later when we

[49:35] talk about zoning and things of that in

[49:37] the nature. I'm looking I would want I

[49:39] would actually vote that we do a work

[49:41] stoppage for three days.

[49:43] and the $20 until that's until because

[49:46] they were told if the scaffolding was

[49:49] not down, it was going to be a work

[49:51] stoppage. They were told that at the

[49:52] last time they came before us, we gave

[49:55] them more time than they anticipated and

[49:57] asked for. This is there is no reason

[50:00] that they've offered here, no compelling

[50:02] reason like they couldn't get materials

[50:04] because of tariffs or whatever it might

[50:06] be. Something that would give us pause.

[50:09] They simply said, "We haven't finished

[50:10] and we decided not to show up." They

[50:13] could have had legal representation

[50:14] here. That would have been sufficient as

[50:17] often is. But when it comes to I'm going

[50:20] to recommend not only the 20 days until

[50:22] this is completed and they have a signed

[50:24] off uh document from the town, but I'm

[50:27] also going to make a motion to the

[50:28] effect of uh some amount of work

[50:30] stoppage.

[50:31] >> Yeah. Thank you. I mean, couple things

[50:34] uh from my perspective. Number one, I I

[50:36] don't think that staff recommendation is

[50:38] dictating to us what we have to do. Uh

[50:42] ultimately, it's our decision as a board

[50:44] whatever we want to do. Uh number two,

[50:49] we we can only go by whatever we have in

[50:53] our books. We can't we can't manufacture

[50:55] a bigger fine fine. The fine is what it

[50:58] is. Until that changes in the future,

[51:02] all we have is what we have, the tools

[51:04] we have to work with. Number three, I

[51:08] think our ultimate goal, we are all

[51:10] frustrated. I I I we sent we've been

[51:12] talking about this for so long, but our

[51:15] ultimate goal,

[51:17] I hope, is that they finish the project.

[51:21] Our ultimate goal is that they move this

[51:24] along as quick as they can so we can get

[51:28] a resolution. I think after November 15,

[51:31] correct me, Madame Town Manager, they

[51:33] can't do anything else. Is that correct?

[51:35] >> That's correct.

[51:36] >> So,

[51:36] >> I'm sorry. After what?

[51:38] >> November 15.

[51:39] >> What is What does that say?

[51:40] >> Exterior or interior?

[51:43] >> That's exterior. That's when the

[51:44] moratorium of road work because we start

[51:46] plowing after the 15th of November.

[51:48] >> No. What I'm suggesting is we do have

[51:50] this mechanism. We gave them permission

[51:52] to go until October 2nd and have the

[51:55] scaffolding up. It's not up. It's it's

[51:58] open to a work stoppage.

[52:00] Our permit has now expired for the third

[52:03] or fourth time. The approval by this

[52:06] board is complete

[52:09] and we have passed that time.

[52:12] And so I believe and I would ask the

[52:14] town meeting uh uh town manager to

[52:17] confirm with town council. But if I'm in

[52:20] if I'm accurate, I believe we have the

[52:22] opportunity to now say your permit is

[52:24] passed and you can't do any work

[52:26] >> until you come before the board. And I

[52:27] don't want to go to that extreme because

[52:28] that's a two-e effort, but I think we

[52:31] can impose some amount of uh we're we're

[52:34] going to talk about other businesses

[52:35] tonight where we're going to impact

[52:36] their their ability to open or not.

[52:40] >> Yeah, if you want to just stay on this

[52:41] one for now, I totally agree. We can if

[52:43] we don't renew their occup if we do not

[52:48] that will be a work stoppage but my

[52:50] point is by doing it now we are we are

[52:54] giving them less chance to finishing

[52:56] this project by November 15 and if they

[53:00] don't finish then we'll have no choice

[53:02] but to have that site work occupied

[53:05] through the summer. So the more we can

[53:09] allow them to finish it as quick as they

[53:12] can and and again I'm very disappointed

[53:16] but I want the project finished. So, um,

[53:20] again, this is this board decision. I'll

[53:22] entertain any motions,

[53:24] >> but if we if we extend the if we extend

[53:26] the date, we can't charge them the $20

[53:29] because then they'll be in compliance.

[53:32] The 20 that and that's a silly number

[53:34] and we all know it. But, nonetheless,

[53:38] I I would s I you know, I I want to see

[53:41] something more substantial being done.

[53:43] It is it is it is beyond it is beyond

[53:47] acceptable that they just don't show up

[53:48] and they don't care about the dates,

[53:52] you know, or or they I shouldn't say

[53:54] they don't care. It's they're not

[53:55] targeting the dates. They they told us

[53:57] when it would be done and we gave them

[53:59] extra time after that after the third

[54:01] time they've come to us and with miss

[54:03] dates. We issue a permit. What we really

[54:06] have to vote on tonight is whether we're

[54:08] going to extend that permit or not.

[54:09] >> If we don't extend the permit, then they

[54:11] will have to pay the fine. That would be

[54:13] the the the

[54:15] so we can say we don't want

[54:17] >> and but I believe that there's I believe

[54:19] that there should be more than just $20

[54:20] a day because that just invites anybody

[54:22] who wants to blow past our dates and not

[54:26] show up upon our request to just not

[54:29] show up our request.

[54:30] >> Fortunately, it seems like that's what

[54:32] we have in the books that we can use.

[54:35] That's the tool we have now. Until that

[54:37] changes, I think we don't renew it. We

[54:40] impose the fine until they open the

[54:42] sidewalk and if it goes past the 15,

[54:45] they'll pay the fine to the to the

[54:46] winter.

[54:47] >> Just looking at this.

[54:48] >> Uh, so I entertain a motion.

[54:50] >> I I'll Okay, I'll I'll offer a motion

[54:53] then.

[54:53] >> Did Mike say anything?

[54:54] >> Um, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[54:55] >> Did Did I call on you, Mike?

[54:56] >> You did.

[54:57] >> Okay.

[54:57] >> Yeah. Thank you.

[54:58] >> Okay. I think I called on everyone. So,

[55:00] >> okay. Today is now uh October 6th.

[55:04] I'm going to suggest that we entertain a

[55:06] permit from October 12th until November

[55:11] 15th,

[55:12] which means they have to stop work until

[55:14] October 12th. That's three days.

[55:18] That requires a work stoppage for 3 days

[55:20] that can be presented to them tomorrow.

[55:22] I actually I'll give the time man time

[55:23] to

[55:24] >> Today's the sixth,

[55:25] >> right? So if I'm counting the days as

[55:29] weekdays.

[55:29] >> Okay. Okay. Sorry. So if we offer a

[55:33] permit from October 12th until November

[55:37] 15th, that's our extension. That's our

[55:39] the board's ability.

[55:42] The 7th, 8th, and 9th is a work

[55:44] stoppage. They don't have a permit

[55:46] during that time.

[55:48] >> Mr. Chair,

[55:49] >> is that motion? Is there

[55:50] >> I made the motion. People can second for

[55:52] discussion.

[55:53] >> I'd like to make comment before we move

[55:55] forwards.

[55:56] >> Um

[55:56] >> but I'm not seconding.

[55:58] >> Okay. So there's no second. So the

[56:00] motion fell. Uh back to the board. Yes.

[56:03] >> I I I think you're on the right track.

[56:06] We want this project done.

[56:09] >> I don't want to give them permission to

[56:12] continue working, nor do I want to stop

[56:14] them. Let them continue working and be

[56:16] fined until they're done.

[56:18] >> Is that a motion to continue the fine

[56:20] until they're done?

[56:21] >> Correct. I'll second that.

[56:23] >> Okay. So I have a motion to continue the

[56:26] fine until they're done. That has been

[56:28] seconded. Any other discussions

[56:32] here? None. All those in favor say I. I.

[56:35] >> I.

[56:35] >> Oppose.

[56:36] >> No.

[56:36] >> So 41.

[56:38] >> Thank you.

[56:40] >> Can we send them a letter that we're

[56:41] very disappointed, Mr. Chairman?

[56:43] >> Sure.

[56:45] >> Do that.

[56:46] >> Thank you.

[56:50] >> We actually, Mr. Chairman, could I ask

[56:52] that we have them before us at the next

[56:54] meeting?

[56:55] I would like to have this discussion

[56:57] with them in the room and the fines or

[57:00] whatever it is. If they're done, they're

[57:01] done. If they're not, they're not. I

[57:02] want to know when it is going to be

[57:03] complete. We've given them an open and

[57:05] we've given them a blank check. They

[57:07] don't have to follow our rules. They

[57:09] don't have to follow our regulations.

[57:10] They don't have to follow our deadlines.

[57:11] And we've just told them keep going

[57:13] until you're done.

[57:15] And I'm that's unacceptable to me. I

[57:17] want someone a represent I want one of

[57:19] the owners here not because I don't want

[57:22] to yell at the legal representation.

[57:23] That's unfair to that person or the

[57:25] general contractor. I want them here.

[57:27] Can we can I ask that the board or the

[57:30] through you that the we invite them to

[57:32] be here?

[57:32] >> I mean we could I mean I don't

[57:34] >> and if they blow us off again that's

[57:35] another indication.

[57:36] >> I think sending a firm letter in my

[57:39] opinion suffice. I mean what are they

[57:41] going to to say or do? We we want the

[57:43] project done.

[57:45] >> Um

[57:47] we just they just have to finish it.

[57:49] this has been going on too long and

[57:53] they have until the 15th of November. It has to be done. So

[57:57] >> it doesn't they could blow past that.

[57:59] They they don't they obviously

[58:01] >> and they'll keep paying the fines to

[58:03] them.

[58:05] >> I'm asking that they be before us on the

[58:07] agenda. If you want to choose not to

[58:09] have that, that's your prerogative.

[58:10] >> Um I mean if the majority of the board

[58:13] think that's important, I would

[58:15] entertain that.

[58:15] >> At this point in time, it's meaningless.

[58:17] Okay.

[58:19] Pier

[58:20] >> I just want to see if there's no

[58:22] >> I think I just think [clears throat] we

[58:24] have to work on the uh fine schedule.

[58:26] >> Okay. Okay. I I I'll agree with that.

[58:30] Thank you, Madame Clerk.

[58:36] Number eight,

[58:36] >> a public hearing will be held under

[58:38] chapter 138 of the MGL to consider

[58:40] whether the license to sell alcohol

[58:42] beverages held by Toledo Damverse LLC

[58:45] doing business as Toito Mexican

[58:47] Restaurant 10 Newberry Street Ramone

[58:50] Michael Manager should be suspended,

[58:52] revoked, or limited in any way.

[58:55] >> Okay. Uh before before I'll just have

[58:57] the chief kind of update us on the

[58:59] findings.

[59:01] We're going to give you that before.

[59:03] >> Okay.

[59:10] What should I be see? You can look at

[59:12] that and let me know.

[59:16] [clears throat]

[59:17] >> Yes, Chief.

[59:18] >> Uh, this is a followup to our August

[59:19] 18th, 2026 meeting when we discussed the

[59:22] alcohol compliance checks during the

[59:24] summertime. So, on Monday, July 27th,

[59:27] 2026, the D Police Department conducted

[59:29] routine alcohol compliance checks at

[59:31] licensed establishments throughout town.

[59:33] The goal of these are to promote

[59:34] responsible alcohol service in

[59:36] compliance with mass laws. During the

[59:38] operation, four establishments failed to

[59:40] verify identification of an 18-year-old

[59:42] participant. Neither sold or properly

[59:44] served them alcohol. The four businesses

[59:47] were J&J cuisine. They served a Coors

[59:50] Light draft. Capy's Liquor sold a

[59:52] six-ack of Budlight. Toito Mexican

[59:55] Restaurant provided a Budlight draft.

[59:57] And 466 Pub and Grill provided one Bud

[1:00:00] Light draft.

[1:00:04] Thank you, Chief. Um, so

[1:00:09] anybody here from Toledo?

[1:00:11] >> Yes.

[1:00:11] >> You want just go to the microphone and

[1:00:14] introduce yourself before you speak,

[1:00:16] please?

[1:00:18] >> Hi.

[1:00:22] » Edgar Martinez.

[1:00:23] >> Sure.

[1:00:24] >> Yes. Hi. Uh, good evening.

[1:00:29] So, uh, what what happened here?

[1:00:35] >> Well, uh, we had a bartender on that day

[1:00:40] that didn't card the person [music]

[1:00:44] and, um,

[1:00:47] it was our mistake. She's been working

[1:00:49] with us for a couple I think she was

[1:00:51] working for like a year

[1:00:55] and

[1:00:58] I think we just made she made a mistake

[1:01:00] that night.

[1:01:02] >> Okay.

[1:01:03] >> And we retrain everybody.

[1:01:07] We [music] purchase an uh

[1:01:11] a system that you have to stick the uh

[1:01:14] the ID in the machine. So I tell you

[1:01:16] exactly

[1:01:17] how is the person I train. We train we

[1:01:20] talk to everybody in the morning and

[1:01:23] dinner time lunch time to car everybody

[1:01:26] so we don't have that mistake again.

[1:01:30] » Okay. So since would you say you had

[1:01:33] training since this incident and you've

[1:01:35] purchased an a scanner since this

[1:01:39] happened?

[1:01:39] >> Right.

[1:01:40] >> Okay.

[1:01:41] >> I think Mr. Do you receive if you want

[1:01:44] to give that to madam clerk that's um

[1:01:46] the invoice for the ID scanner and

[1:01:48] training certifications and tip

[1:01:50] certifications.

[1:01:52] >> Okay. Thank you. Um just for the members

[1:01:55] of the board is is it appears that and

[1:01:58] uh for my record you had two prior

[1:02:01] suspension at this location.

[1:02:04] um after a December 20th, 2022

[1:02:07] compliance check,

[1:02:09] um a compliance check found on the H

[1:02:12] cell and the board held a hearing on

[1:02:15] March 7, 2023 and there was a vote, I

[1:02:18] believe it was 3 to2 at the time, to

[1:02:20] impose a one-day suspension served on

[1:02:23] March 21st, 2023.

[1:02:26] A second hearing on June 18, 2024

[1:02:30] addressed afterhour alcohol consumptions

[1:02:34] and resulted in a 3-day suspension serve

[1:02:38] from July 15 to the 17, 2024.

[1:02:43] >> Yes.

[1:02:43] >> Okay. Uh members of the board, any

[1:02:47] questions, comments? Uh I'll start by

[1:02:49] member Bernard.

[1:02:51] >> Okay. Well, you said that uh she made a

[1:02:54] mistake. Um hope you know hopefully they

[1:02:57] won't make any more mistakes. Um you've

[1:02:59] got the scanner so when someone comes in

[1:03:01] they ask everybody right everybody.

[1:03:04] >> They ask everybody and also in RPO

[1:03:07] system anybody that order a beer the

[1:03:10] server got to go in there and key the

[1:03:13] age

[1:03:15] uh the uh age for the person they they

[1:03:18] enter the birthday

[1:03:20] >> so the computer allowed to open and send

[1:03:23] the alcohol. So that reminds them also

[1:03:26] they need to check double reminds to

[1:03:29] check the ID.

[1:03:30] >> And how often do you do the training? Is

[1:03:32] it like quarterly, you know,

[1:03:34] semiannually? Are you and you're and

[1:03:36] you're there with the training?

[1:03:38] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We usually do every

[1:03:40] six months. [music]

[1:03:41] >> Okay. Good. Okay.

[1:03:42] >> Two times a year. Yeah.

[1:03:45] >> That's it, Mr. Chair. For me right now.

[1:03:47] >> Thank you. Uh member Bennett, back to

[1:03:49] >> your point of information. Are we

[1:03:51] addressing the alleged

[1:03:54] um recent violation and then are we

[1:03:58] going to address the one day that was

[1:04:00] held in obeyance

[1:04:01] >> different?

[1:04:02] >> They did not have they held in a ban

[1:04:04] here.

[1:04:04] >> They did not.

[1:04:04] >> Their last their last one was uh 2024.

[1:04:08] [snorts]

[1:04:08] >> 2024. Okay.

[1:04:09] >> Yes.

[1:04:14] » I have no questions.

[1:04:15] >> Thank you. Member Bean.

[1:04:18] >> Um

[1:04:20] to to the clerk actually. Do you know

[1:04:23] the scanners? Are they 100%.

[1:04:27] >> I have no idea.

[1:04:29] >> The police chief.

[1:04:31] We don't know if they're 100%.

[1:04:33] >> Did they go to the through the registry

[1:04:35] of motor vehicles?

[1:04:36] >> I'm sure it's a database that they must

[1:04:38] acquire. I don't think it's actual live

[1:04:40] from the registry itself because

[1:04:41] information, but there must be some type

[1:04:42] of

[1:04:43] >> third party

[1:04:43] >> that reads the bio scanner and

[1:04:45] calculates the date of birth or

[1:04:46] something, but I don't think we

[1:04:47] register.

[1:04:48] >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Um, sir, you

[1:04:52] know, we're all trying to work together

[1:04:53] here. You, us, we don't want to hurt

[1:04:56] anybody, but we can't, you know, we

[1:04:58] can't have that stuff uh happening. And

[1:05:00] you want to make a living.

[1:05:02] >> Correct.

[1:05:02] >> So, it puts us all in an awkward

[1:05:04] situation. So, I'm glad you bought the

[1:05:07] scanner. Uh, I'm glad you're doing the

[1:05:09] trainings. Um, not sure how this is

[1:05:12] going to go, but and I'm glad you're

[1:05:14] here tonight. Thank you.

[1:05:15] >> Thank you.

[1:05:17] Member Tras.

[1:05:19] Um, so the statement was made, mistakes

[1:05:23] happen. In this case, mistakes can

[1:05:25] literally cause lives. Overserving or

[1:05:29] serving an a minor can cost someone

[1:05:31] their lives. And not not just the person

[1:05:33] who's being served, but innocent people.

[1:05:36] >> So, I take this very seriously and I I'm

[1:05:39] Your history is a spotted one. You've

[1:05:42] had you've served four days of

[1:05:44] suspension over the past two years,

[1:05:46] three years. Um, so it doesn't it

[1:05:51] doesn't feel to me like this is

[1:05:53] something that is

[1:05:55] key to to your training to to your to

[1:05:58] your uh auditing to whatever it might be

[1:06:01] that prevents you. It is your

[1:06:02] livelihood. I get that and I understand

[1:06:04] that that the um impact it will have on

[1:06:07] your business if we make a decision. Um

[1:06:10] I'm going to recommend one. I'm going to

[1:06:12] make a motion for a specific uh um

[1:06:14] decision. And I know from being on this

[1:06:17] board as long as I have been on this

[1:06:18] board that when you got that one day

[1:06:20] liquor license violation in 23, it was

[1:06:25] after you had another license another

[1:06:26] violation that we would have given you a

[1:06:29] day in obeyance or given you the warning

[1:06:30] shot. Warning shots are gone at this

[1:06:33] point for me. Um so I um did you say you

[1:06:37] just bought the scanner since this

[1:06:39] happened? We used to have an scanner and

[1:06:41] it broke off when we opened the

[1:06:42] restaurant in 2020.

[1:06:44] >> So you had a scanner?

[1:06:45] >> We had a scanner and it was like

[1:06:48] >> it had like

[1:06:50] it wasn't working for like a year. So I

[1:06:53] ordered another one.

[1:06:58] that that doesn't that doesn't mllify me

[1:07:01] in any manner because that means you

[1:07:02] went a year knowingly not having a

[1:07:04] scanner

[1:07:06] and your people obviously are not

[1:07:10] especially if they've worked there for a

[1:07:11] year that means that person must have

[1:07:12] gone through the training a couple of

[1:07:14] times based on your schedule

[1:07:17] and still miss the opportunity to do the

[1:07:20] right thing. Um,

[1:07:22] I I I'm each of these are going to be

[1:07:25] judged on their own merit and in this

[1:07:27] case the merit is you're a repeat

[1:07:29] offender as it were and I'm concerned

[1:07:32] about that.

[1:07:33] >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll

[1:07:35] >> Thank you. Uh, this is a public hearing.

[1:07:37] Anybody in the public or the audience

[1:07:39] has any questions or comments?

[1:07:43] Hear none.

[1:07:43] >> Close the public hearing.

[1:07:45] >> Second the motion.

[1:07:46] >> All those in favor say I.

[1:07:48] >> I. Okay. back to the board.

[1:07:51] >> Mr. Chairman, I move we um initiate a

[1:07:53] 3-day suspension to be served.

[1:07:58] >> Second.

[1:08:00] >> So, I have a motion and that has been

[1:08:02] seconded. Uh 3-day suspension to be

[1:08:05] served.

[1:08:07] Any other comments, questions?

[1:08:10] >> I'd make a mo I'd make a motion for a

[1:08:12] one-day suspension.

[1:08:14] >> Well, we have a motion.

[1:08:15] >> We have a motion on the table.

[1:08:16] >> You can you can make an amendment.

[1:08:18] >> Make an amendment. I'll amend it to one

[1:08:19] [snorts] day.

[1:08:21] >> Okay. The motion has been amended to one

[1:08:23] day suspension to be served.

[1:08:25] >> To be served.

[1:08:26] >> Okay. Do I have a second?

[1:08:30] >> Hear none. So, we go back to the main

[1:08:32] motion which is a three-day suspension

[1:08:34] to be served. Any further questions?

[1:08:38] >> Comments?

[1:08:39] Yes.

[1:08:40] >> Thank you. Um,

[1:08:43] I always thought that the process with

[1:08:46] the police announcing, thank you,

[1:08:49] announcing that there'd be a compliance

[1:08:51] check. They get it through into as many

[1:08:55] business as they can. The majority

[1:08:58] do the right thing. They check the IDs.

[1:09:01] They don't serve the minor. But maybe

[1:09:04] we're not being thorough enough,

[1:09:07] demanding enough of our businesses if

[1:09:10] we're having four people the same

[1:09:12] compliance check fail. Two uh repeat

[1:09:16] vendors in the last year and this poor

[1:09:19] gentleman's business is a multi-time

[1:09:22] repeat.

[1:09:24] I that's why I'm supporting the three

[1:09:26] days served. Maybe by changing our

[1:09:30] thought process, we can stop these

[1:09:33] unfortunate incidents.

[1:09:35] >> And if I might, Mr. Chair, one of the

[1:09:36] reasons I also offered three days is I

[1:09:38] failed to mention that this was the same

[1:09:39] manager at the time of the other

[1:09:41] offenses. If we've given latitude if the

[1:09:45] business has changed hands or changed

[1:09:46] managers, we haven't held new managers

[1:09:48] accountable for old manager actions. In

[1:09:50] this case, it's the same manager.

[1:09:51] >> Okay. Thank you. Any further questions,

[1:09:53] comments? Uh, madame clerk, do do we

[1:09:57] have to choose the date in the motion or

[1:09:59] that happens after or does the motion

[1:10:02] how does that work?

[1:10:04] >> You could you could do it either way.

[1:10:05] You would want

[1:10:06] >> then I I I would I would I would enhance

[1:10:08] mine to say within 3 months

[1:10:11] and they can choose the date.

[1:10:15] » Who chooses the date?

[1:10:16] >> They they can choose the date.

[1:10:18] >> So what with town crack on the date? Is

[1:10:21] that what we're saying? I I'd rather

[1:10:24] take a vote on the original motion than

[1:10:27] talk about the dates.

[1:10:28] >> Okay. So, the original motion is to

[1:10:31] serve 3-day suspension.

[1:10:33] >> Mhm.

[1:10:35] >> Any further discussions?

[1:10:38] >> Hear none. All those in favor say I. I

[1:10:41] oppose.

[1:10:42] >> No.

[1:10:43] >> That's 41.

[1:10:45] >> As to dates, 3 months is a pretty long

[1:10:48] time.

[1:10:49] >> Okay. Shorten it. Give a date. I I I

[1:10:51] I'll go with it along with what you'd

[1:10:52] like.

[1:10:53] >> Um

[1:10:55] uh through you, Mr. Chair, to the clerk.

[1:10:58] Um what is the time limit on any appeals

[1:11:01] that they may or may not choose to?

[1:11:05] >> The license holder would have five

[1:11:07] business days from the receipt of the

[1:11:09] letter informing them of the decision.

[1:11:12] So if you were to go out say two weeks,

[1:11:14] that would give ample time for all of

[1:11:16] that to happen. So,

[1:11:18] >> and is the ABCC

[1:11:20] speedy enough to hear this?

[1:11:23] >> They would have to file it within five

[1:11:24] business days.

[1:11:25] >> Okay.

[1:11:26] >> With the ABC.

[1:11:29] >> Okay. So, if they What I'm saying is the

[1:11:32] ABCC could take an opportunity to

[1:11:33] overturn this. Certainly, we've had that

[1:11:35] happen in the past.

[1:11:36] >> Correct. And so do we wait for that to h

[1:11:40] so at the end of 5 days it would take

[1:11:41] effect or if they do appeal it do we

[1:11:44] have to wait a certain amount of time

[1:11:46] before ABCC renders its decision?

[1:11:48] >> If they file an appeal with the ABCC

[1:11:51] within five business days that is like a

[1:11:54] stay of execution for the suspension.

[1:11:57] You would have to pause the suspension

[1:11:59] until the ABCC heard it. So I would

[1:12:02] motion that we have them serve the three

[1:12:04] days within starting in two weeks.

[1:12:09] >> What are we saying? Two weeks. What

[1:12:10] date?

[1:12:11] >> So this is today. Two weeks would be

[1:12:13] somewhere in here.

[1:12:18] » Yeah, I'll probably say I'll probably

[1:12:20] say um

[1:12:26] » maybe the 8 to the 10.

[1:12:28] >> Well, that's this is Sunday.

[1:12:30] >> Oh, no. um the nine.

[1:12:32] >> And now you're in November, right?

[1:12:33] >> Yeah. November 9th to November 11th.

[1:12:36] >> It's okay by me.

[1:12:36] >> It gives them ample time to

[1:12:38] >> 11 is a holiday, right?

[1:12:40] >> I don't know. Is it

[1:12:42] >> November 11th is Veterans Day?

[1:12:44] >> Veterans Day. So

[1:12:45] >> should

[1:12:45] >> they don't close on Veterans Day?

[1:12:48] >> Close or

[1:12:49] >> No.

[1:12:52] » So it's

[1:12:53] >> if if the motion's for 9 to Mr.

[1:12:55] Bernard's mo um sorry Mr. Bennett's

[1:12:58] motion is from 9th the 9th to 11th. I'm

[1:13:00] fine.

[1:13:00] >> I would be fine with that.

[1:13:01] >> I don't think so. You could ask.

[1:13:04] >> So, um, again, this this is the least

[1:13:08] favorite part of at least personally of

[1:13:10] my job and I'm sure most people here,

[1:13:12] but serving to an underage even by our

[1:13:16] regulations is one of the worst thing

[1:13:18] that an an establishment could do

[1:13:21] >> and and we are hoping that maybe use

[1:13:24] these days for training or or whatever

[1:13:26] needs to happen just cut everybody. Uh

[1:13:30] we don't want to see this happen again.

[1:13:33] Um so we can say the nine to the 11.

[1:13:38] Um would that I think that works.

[1:13:41] >> I think that would work. I would suggest

[1:13:42] you vote on it just to make sure that

[1:13:44] >> So I entertain a motion then.

[1:13:46] >> My motion is they serve the three days

[1:13:47] November 9 to the 11th.

[1:13:50] >> Do I have a second?

[1:13:51] >> Second.

[1:13:51] >> Any other discussions? All those in

[1:13:53] favor say I.

[1:13:54] >> I. Just noted that it's Monday, Tuesday,

[1:13:57] Wednesday. Mhm.

[1:13:59] >> So,

[1:13:59] >> we can't be more lenient than that,

[1:14:00] Mike.

[1:14:01] >> Yeah. No, exactly. That's what I'm

[1:14:03] saying.

[1:14:04] >> That's [snorts] all. Thank you.

[1:14:05] >> Okay.

[1:14:06] >> So,

[1:14:07] >> all those in favor say I.

[1:14:09] >> I oppose.

[1:14:10] >> Okay.

[1:14:11] >> Marvin, you were you were Yes.

[1:14:13] >> You opposed. Thank you.

[1:14:14] >> 41.

[1:14:16] >> Thank you.

[1:14:17] >> Okay.

[1:14:19] Thank you.

[1:14:20] >> Thank you.

[1:14:22] >> Next.

[1:14:27] A public hearing will be held under

[1:14:28] chapter 138 of the MGL to consider

[1:14:30] whether the license to sell alcohol

[1:14:32] beverages held by Danverse Cappies Inc.

[1:14:35] doing business as Cappy's Fine Wine and

[1:14:37] Spirits at 158 Andover Street. Barendra

[1:14:41] Patel manager should be suspended,

[1:14:43] revoked, or limited in any way.

[1:14:46] >> Yes, sir. You want to introduce

[1:14:48] yourself?

[1:14:48] >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening,

[1:14:50] members of the board. Uh Tom Miller from

[1:14:52] Mcdermic Quilty, Miller and Hanley here

[1:14:54] uh in Boston here on behalf of uh Danver

[1:14:57] Cappy's Inc. Uh I'm joined tonight by

[1:15:00] Verendra Patel, the manager of record

[1:15:02] and owner uh as well as Brian Dodge, the

[1:15:04] clerk uh who was on that night uh who

[1:15:08] was working that night. Um Verendra and

[1:15:11] the Cappy's team wanted me to reiterate

[1:15:13] that they do understand the

[1:15:14] responsibility and the privilege of

[1:15:16] selling alcohol. Um

[1:15:19] [snorts]

[1:15:20] this incident on the 28th was an

[1:15:22] outlier. Uh if you ask Brian um he would

[1:15:26] say it was a lapse of judgment. He has

[1:15:28] worked at Kappies for more than a

[1:15:30] decade. Uh eight years of which he was a

[1:15:33] manager. He understands the

[1:15:34] responsibilities. He understood what was

[1:15:36] supposed to happen, what's supposed to

[1:15:37] be done, and he just had a bad night and

[1:15:40] he made a mistake. Um he, you know, I

[1:15:44] lucky him. I got to ask him a bunch of

[1:15:46] questions and he did not have a good

[1:15:48] explanation as to why it happened. Just

[1:15:50] made a mistake and unfortunately that's

[1:15:53] why we're here tonight. Um

[1:15:56] to that end he uh about a year ago he

[1:16:00] stopped working full-time at Cappies as

[1:16:02] he found another full-time job after

[1:16:04] this incident. He felt that he had left

[1:16:05] uh Mr. let Mr. Patel and Cappies in

[1:16:08] general down and he decided he was no

[1:16:10] longer going to work there and do this

[1:16:11] anymore of his own valition. Um after

[1:16:14] the incident uh Mr. or sorry I apologize

[1:16:18] uh Mr. Patel uh has retrained his staff.

[1:16:20] He has emphasized the importance of

[1:16:23] checking every ID every time. Um he

[1:16:26] reaffirmed it all and uh re reertified

[1:16:30] every staff member with tips training.

[1:16:32] Um he continues to uh remind every staff

[1:16:36] member before every shift that every ID

[1:16:39] every person every time. Um and that's

[1:16:43] not just check ID, it's scan ID as well.

[1:16:45] They do have a scanner and operate them

[1:16:46] as well uh operate as well. Um and they

[1:16:49] have also uh at at the suggestion um of

[1:16:53] the town provided signage and place

[1:16:55] signage around the store reminding all

[1:16:57] those who come in that ID for everybody

[1:16:58] will be checked every time. Um

[1:17:01] I just I know you have a long agenda

[1:17:03] tonight so I will not keep going on but

[1:17:05] overall Mr. Mr. Patel and his staff

[1:17:08] [music] understand

[1:17:10] what happened, not exactly why, but

[1:17:12] there was a lapse in judgment and they

[1:17:14] are and to that [music] end, they are

[1:17:16] working very hard to correct that action

[1:17:18] and make sure that it doesn't happen

[1:17:19] again going forward. Um, with that, I'd

[1:17:22] be happy to answer any questions you

[1:17:23] have.

[1:17:24] >> Sure. Thank you. Uh so just uh to remind

[1:17:28] the board um on June 3rd, 2025 and under

[1:17:33] age patron purchase alcohol without age

[1:17:37] verification. Uh during uh an August 12,

[1:17:40] 2025 hearing, the board found that um

[1:17:44] existing safeguards had failed. The

[1:17:48] board voted to impose a one-day

[1:17:50] suspension held in a ban for 12 months.

[1:17:54] So that was August 12, 2025.

[1:17:57] Um, so the current violation occur on

[1:18:00] July 27, 2026 and the store again on

[1:18:05] that day sold alcohol to a person under

[1:18:08] 21 year without requesting

[1:18:11] identification while the 2025 suspension

[1:18:15] was still in the bands. Uh, board

[1:18:18] members questions, comments, I will

[1:18:20] start by member Task.

[1:18:22] >> Thank you. Um, and I think that uh

[1:18:27] I I I look to the board's thoughts on uh

[1:18:31] I'm going to treat these as two separate

[1:18:33] things. The held in obeyance as opposed

[1:18:34] to the this incident. Um I'm going to

[1:18:37] suggest that the um within a year is

[1:18:40] unacceptable.

[1:18:42] Um and well it's just just just over a

[1:18:46] year. This happened I'm sorry, what date

[1:18:47] did this happen on? Most recent event

[1:18:50] >> July.

[1:18:50] 27th.

[1:18:51] So it was within the one

[1:18:53] year. Um so the one day held in obeyance

[1:18:56] is fade to complete. It's there is no

[1:18:59] argument of that one. There's no debate

[1:19:01] of that one. There's no appeal for that

[1:19:02] one to the ABCC. That was accepted as a

[1:19:05] condition of our of the board back then

[1:19:08] in in um a August. Um, so, um, this is a

[1:19:14] repeat offense and I'm concerned about a

[1:19:17] repeat offense in such a short time

[1:19:18] frame and I appreciate that it could be

[1:19:20] the lapse of one person. Um, and uh, each of these are going to be

[1:19:27] different scenarios with different

[1:19:29] factors, but I'll I'll hold till to make

[1:19:31] a a motion later. Thank you.

[1:19:33] >> Mr. Chair, I apologize and I don't mean

[1:19:36] to interrupt. Uh, just to address one

[1:19:37] concern.

[1:19:38] >> No, hold on. Uh, do you have a question

[1:19:40] for him? No, if I I would like to

[1:19:43] address something that Mr. Tras brought

[1:19:44] up.

[1:19:45] >> I'll give you a chance to if you want to

[1:19:47] shove down some notes, I'll give you a

[1:19:48] chance to address that in a minute.

[1:19:50] Member Bean

[1:19:52] >> uh Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um do you folks

[1:19:55] use the scanner all the time or um

[1:19:57] >> how's that work?

[1:19:59] >> The the goal is that uh but as the um

[1:20:06] it doesn't happen all the time. uh um

[1:20:09] customers, anyone under you know looking

[1:20:12] young the ID is asked for it is checked

[1:20:15] it um to the extent the clerks remember

[1:20:17] prior to this incident scanner wasn't

[1:20:20] used as much as it should have been uh

[1:20:22] after this incident it has been um Mr.

[1:20:25] Patel and his staff have reiterated

[1:20:27] the fact that this every time uh ID is

[1:20:30] checked it a scam. Uh it the

[1:20:34] [clears throat] since last year uh the

[1:20:38] staff received um push back from

[1:20:41] customers who felt they were uh of a

[1:20:45] certain vintage that they did not need

[1:20:46] to be IDed. uh they were resentful of

[1:20:49] that fact. Uh and um expressed that to

[1:20:52] staff uh in ways that were not always um

[1:20:56] courteous. Uh Mr. Patel has actually

[1:20:58] lost staff because of that. [music] Uh

[1:20:59] they did not like the way the way they

[1:21:01] were addressed. Uh that did cause some

[1:21:03] staff members to stop asking people for

[1:21:05] IDs during [music] times uh during that process. Uh since that time

[1:21:10] again has been reiterated and staff is

[1:21:12] now IDing and scanning. Um the scanners

[1:21:15] are you know to address something that

[1:21:17] came up they are not uh 100% um they

[1:21:20] [clears throat] they depending on the

[1:21:22] scanner you purchase uh none of them

[1:21:25] actually directly access at least the

[1:21:27] Massachusetts registry uh because of as

[1:21:29] the chief expressed Corey and um uh

[1:21:32] privacy laws uh they read the barcodes

[1:21:36] on the back the QR the it's not a QR

[1:21:38] code but the matrix on the back to check

[1:21:40] and see uh if they appear to be valid.

[1:21:43] Um,

[1:21:45] some will access publicly available data

[1:21:47] from other states depending on which

[1:21:49] model you buy, uh, and who what states

[1:21:51] they have contracts with. Um, but no, no

[1:21:54] scanner is 100% effective.

[1:21:55] >> How long does the scan take?

[1:21:57] >> Uh, anywhere from depending on the way,

[1:22:01] not not quite 20 years, but um,

[1:22:04] depending on the the type of scanner, it

[1:22:06] can be instantaneous. It's just reading

[1:22:08] the material in the back and not

[1:22:09] actually checking anything up to uh

[1:22:13] couple up to a minute maybe depending.

[1:22:16] >> Okay. All right. No, that's all my

[1:22:18] questions. Thank you.

[1:22:19] >> Thank you. Uh member Bennett.

[1:22:21] >> Thank you. As I recall, when Mr. Patel

[1:22:24] was before us last year, um he blamed

[1:22:26] himself because he was in the back room

[1:22:29] when the incident happened and he

[1:22:32] assured us that these things would not

[1:22:33] happen again. Yet, here he is. I'm going

[1:22:36] to recommend that um we have them

[1:22:39] served.

[1:22:39] >> Uh hold on. Before you make the motion,

[1:22:41] if we can hear from everyone.

[1:22:43] >> Okay.

[1:22:44] >> So, any questions for the

[1:22:45] >> Well, I have no questions,

[1:22:47] >> member. Um

[1:22:48] >> yeah, we talk about mistakes again. Um

[1:22:51] the training have pe has your staff been

[1:22:54] trained again?

[1:22:55] >> Yes.

[1:22:56] >> I have certification for

[1:22:58] >> how often do they get trained?

[1:23:00] >> I mean, he reiterates every before every

[1:23:02] shift the the requirements. Uh there you

[1:23:04] have the the books available for ID, you

[1:23:07] know, checking and the use of the the

[1:23:10] >> um scanner is is uh anytime any staff

[1:23:14] member has a question, he goes over the training on that again as well.

[1:23:17] >> And he's present at the training. He

[1:23:18] conducts the training himself.

[1:23:20] >> Conduct the training.

[1:23:21] >> Yeah.

[1:23:21] >> Yes.

[1:23:22] >> Okay. All right. That's it. Dave for

[1:23:24] now.

[1:23:24] >> Thank you. Uh so this is a public

[1:23:26] hearing. Anybody in the public who has a

[1:23:28] questions, comments

[1:23:30] close them public.

[1:23:32] >> Second the motion. Yep. All those in

[1:23:34] favor say I. I oppos. Okay. 50. Uh yes,

[1:23:38] you had a comment.

[1:23:40] >> Yeah. Just related to

[1:23:41] >> address it to the chair, please.

[1:23:42] >> Yes, Mr. Chair, through you. Um just to

[1:23:45] address the uh the previous incident. Uh

[1:23:47] that incident occurred in June, I

[1:23:49] believe June 25th of 2025 uh or

[1:23:52] thereabouts. And the the

[1:23:55] um violation was found in August. uh to

[1:23:59] that end. You know, this incident took

[1:24:02] place in July, more than a year past the

[1:24:03] other incident, and we are hearing more

[1:24:05] than a year beyond. Um the the year in

[1:24:08] obeyance has uh expired based on those

[1:24:11] timelines. [music] No violation was

[1:24:12] found in the year since the board issued

[1:24:14] their decision last year.

[1:24:16] >> We issued

[1:24:17] >> Hold on, hold on. I don't think he's

[1:24:18] done.

[1:24:19] >> So, and the you issued your decision in

[1:24:23] August and the no violation was found

[1:24:26] during [music] the year during that

[1:24:27] period. we are here today whether the

[1:24:30] board finds a violation or not to that

[1:24:32] end just just

[1:24:35] lay out the the timeline and and the the

[1:24:38] standards so to speak.

[1:24:39] >> Okay.

[1:24:40] >> Can I ask for clarity Mr. Chairman when

[1:24:43] the issue that we are here tonight for

[1:24:45] what was the date of the compliance

[1:24:48] check? So the

[1:24:51] if I'm understanding what he's saying,

[1:24:54] the prior compliance check was on June

[1:24:58] 3rd, 2025.

[1:25:00] >> We made a decision.

[1:25:01] on August 12th

[1:25:03] >> in the in the one-year start the time we

[1:25:06] make that decision. I'm asking you what

[1:25:08] was the date of this year's compliance?

[1:25:10] >> July 27th.

[1:25:12] >> So it was in within the year from the

[1:25:14] August date in which we imposed the the

[1:25:17] decision. That's correct. So, uh, and I

[1:25:20] don't know if this is Sorry to put you

[1:25:22] on the spot here, J or Madame Town

[1:25:25] Clerk. What the applicant is arguing is

[1:25:28] that the prior decision, and I don't

[1:25:31] know if it's for the chief, the prior

[1:25:33] violation occur on June 3rd, 2025.

[1:25:38] The hearing was in August, August 12th.

[1:25:43] So what he's arguing is that from June

[1:25:47] 3rd to July 27 is more than one year. So

[1:25:51] is the one year based on the day the

[1:25:53] hearing was held or is it based on the

[1:25:57] day the violation occur?

[1:25:59] >> Tom Clark can answer.

[1:26:00] >> Chief Chief, can you enlight us on that?

[1:26:03] Um

[1:26:04] >> again, that would probably be a question

[1:26:05] for legal counsel. Um my opinion would

[1:26:08] be

[1:26:09] >> the due process reasons if we

[1:26:11] >> just implemented it based on my original

[1:26:14] report and not had a hearing for him to

[1:26:16] have a say I think that would have been

[1:26:18] fair. I think the date that we used

[1:26:20] provided him opportunity to come in

[1:26:21] speak to the board discuss what steps he

[1:26:24] took and the board made a decision.

[1:26:25] Again I would recommend legal counsel

[1:26:27] make a final ruling but I would think

[1:26:29] that would be from the date of the

[1:26:31] >> the the the hearing.

[1:26:33] >> Thank you. I think madame clerk might

[1:26:34] have some information on that.

[1:26:36] >> I do. I have the minutes from the

[1:26:38] meeting from Octo uh August 12, 2025 and

[1:26:41] the minutes indicate that it was to

[1:26:44] impose a one-day suspension held in

[1:26:46] obeyance for 12 months from the date of

[1:26:48] the letter following tonight's meeting.

[1:26:51] >> Mhm.

[1:26:52] >> Which would have made it

[1:26:53] >> and Mr. Chair through you I I

[1:26:55] >> hold on if you can finish that please.

[1:26:57] >> Um second and and um and voted.

[1:27:00] >> Okay.

[1:27:01] So the the the minute reflects that it

[1:27:04] was 12 years 12 months I'm sorry date of

[1:27:07] the letter

[1:27:07] >> from August 12, 2025.

[1:27:10] >> Mhm.

[1:27:11] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:27:12] >> Yes.

[1:27:12] >> Just my point being um No, as of

[1:27:17] tonight, you know, as of yesterday or as

[1:27:20] of assuming the letter came seven days

[1:27:22] later, uh August 19th was when the year

[1:27:25] started. The year ended on August 19th

[1:27:28] of this year. The dec any violation will

[1:27:31] be found as of tonight

[1:27:34] 15 14 months after that August date.

[1:27:37] That is my

[1:27:39] >> if I could let him speak. I'm sorry.

[1:27:42] >> That's it. So that that the

[1:27:45] >> from the point

[1:27:46] >> where the violation is found, no new

[1:27:48] violation has been found within that

[1:27:49] year. That was

[1:27:51] >> okay. I I think I think I think that's

[1:27:53] your interpretation. um based on our

[1:27:57] minutes and um the regulations and based

[1:28:02] on the minutes of the meeting of August

[1:28:05] 12.

[1:28:06] >> Mhm.

[1:28:07] >> We did indicate that it was 12 months as

[1:28:10] of August 12, 2025 and that's the

[1:28:12] decision this board can make. We can we can say 18 months, we can say 6

[1:28:17] months.

[1:28:18] >> So we are not bound by any 12 months. We

[1:28:21] had decided that it was starting, it

[1:28:24] doesn't matter when you got the letter,

[1:28:26] it was starting on August 12, 2025.

[1:28:30] July 27, 2026 is within one year. And

[1:28:34] that's what we're going to go by.

[1:28:35] >> Okay.

[1:28:36] >> Could I ask you through through you to

[1:28:37] the town clerk to just read the motion

[1:28:39] again because I think that will add

[1:28:41] clarity.

[1:28:42] >> The the the uh motion that was made.

[1:28:48] » Select board member Jooko. Motion to

[1:28:50] impose a 1-day suspension held in

[1:28:52] obeyance for 12 months from the date of

[1:28:55] the letter following tonight's meeting

[1:28:58] seconded by select board member Bennett

[1:29:00] and voted 32.

[1:29:02] >> Okay. So that means 5 days after that

[1:29:05] date when they received the letter.

[1:29:08] That's the start point. The end point is

[1:29:10] one year from that if there was an

[1:29:12] infraction within that year. Doesn't

[1:29:13] matter that we're hearing this several

[1:29:15] weeks later. The infraction happened

[1:29:17] within the 12 months. A second

[1:29:20] infraction happened within 12 months.

[1:29:22] And that's the case. Had they come

[1:29:25] before us tonight and and said they were

[1:29:27] not responsible for tonight's though the most recent event, we would have a

[1:29:33] different discussion, but they've

[1:29:35] admitted to the that it happened and it

[1:29:37] happened within the actual offense

[1:29:39] happened within the year.

[1:29:41] >> Yeah. No, I I think I think that's what

[1:29:43] a minute reflects and that's what we

[1:29:44] will go by. Obviously, they have uh an

[1:29:47] opportunity to appeal to the ABC. I will

[1:29:50] entertain a motion.

[1:29:53] >> Did Dan, did you say you had wanted a

[1:29:56] motion?

[1:29:57] >> Well, we have uh two issues here.

[1:30:01] >> The first one is the day that was held

[1:30:03] in obeyance that needs to be served and

[1:30:07] then we need to discuss and make a

[1:30:09] motion on the second of

[1:30:10] >> All right. Then I'd like to make a

[1:30:11] motion that we that we u

[1:30:13] >> well we can make it in the same motion.

[1:30:15] >> No, I I think for clarity I if you don't

[1:30:18] mind I'd like to make it two different

[1:30:19] things. So the first motion would be to suspend the license for one day to be

[1:30:25] served two weeks from two weeks from now

[1:30:27] whatever the date is.

[1:30:28] >> I think we had decide we can do the date

[1:30:30] after. So we just do the motion for the

[1:30:34] suspension if any and then we can do

[1:30:36] another one for the

[1:30:37] >> I move we impose the one-day suspension

[1:30:39] for the previous infraction

[1:30:41] >> to be served.

[1:30:44] >> Second.

[1:30:46] >> Okay. Any further discussions?

[1:30:50] Hear none. All those in favor say I.

[1:30:53] >> I.

[1:30:53] recom then I would like to motion that

[1:30:55] we do that two weeks from now.

[1:30:57] >> That was 50 correct.

[1:30:58] >> Okay. Thank you. two weeks from now

[1:31:00] pending their opportunity to go to the

[1:31:02] ABCC, but I don't believe that's an

[1:31:04] opportunity at this point. But I I'm not

[1:31:06] going to fall on

[1:31:07] >> talking about the date.

[1:31:08] >> Yes.

[1:31:08] >> Okay. So, um

[1:31:14] if if you're going exactly two weeks, it

[1:31:16] would be October

[1:31:18] 20th.

[1:31:19] >> It doesn't have to be exact.

[1:31:20] >> So, that's October 20th.

[1:31:22] >> I like November 13th.

[1:31:24] >> Okay.

[1:31:25] November 13th is a Friday. Is that where

[1:31:29] you're going with that?

[1:31:30] >> Yes.

[1:31:31] >> I amend my motion to November 13th then.

[1:31:34] >> The 13th.

[1:31:35] >> I mean, we did the other one from the

[1:31:37] 9th to the 11th. Can we do the nine?

[1:31:39] >> Well, the 11th I thought was a

[1:31:41] >> It's a holiday, Veterans Day.

[1:31:42] >> Is it a Wednesday?

[1:31:43] >> Wednesday. Yeah.

[1:31:44] >> Okay. So, I was Thursday would be the

[1:31:46] 12th.

[1:31:48] >> It's a different scenario.

[1:31:50] I I agree. I So, I'll amend what I uh

[1:31:53] motion to be the 12th. November 12th to

[1:31:55] be served on November 12th.

[1:31:59] » So who made the motion?

[1:32:01] >> I did.

[1:32:02] >> I second.

[1:32:02] >> Are you second? Okay. Any further

[1:32:04] discussions?

[1:32:07] » The chair can amend the motion, right?

[1:32:10] >> Sure.

[1:32:11] >> I amend that we put it on the nine which

[1:32:14] is when we starting the previous uh

[1:32:17] the previous one [clears throat]

[1:32:19] Monday the 9.

[1:32:23] Someone has to second my motion or

[1:32:26] >> No, they [laughter] don't have to.

[1:32:28] >> So, we're not hearing a second.

[1:32:30] >> I'll second that.

[1:32:31] >> Okay.

[1:32:32] >> Someone It's a Monday the 9th.

[1:32:33] >> Yeah. Monday the 9th.

[1:32:35] >> Okay.

[1:32:37] So, the motion has been seconded.

[1:32:40] So, we doing the we're having them serve

[1:32:42] the one day in the main on November the

[1:32:45] 9.

[1:32:46] >> Serving the one day. Yes. Serving not

[1:32:48] the invance.

[1:32:49] >> Any other discussions?

[1:32:52] All those in favor say I. I.

[1:32:55] >> Okay.

[1:32:56] >> Whoops.

[1:32:56] >> So that was five.

[1:32:57] >> Looks like it was three. I was going to

[1:32:59] say no.

[1:33:00] >> I Yes.

[1:33:01] >> So is that 5 or

[1:33:03] >> no?

[1:33:04] >> So 41.

[1:33:05] >> I'm saying no.

[1:33:05] >> Okay.

[1:33:06] >> Did Dan say yes?

[1:33:07] >> Yes.

[1:33:07] >> Okay. I just couldn't. Okay. Fine.

[1:33:09] >> 41. 41 ask. Okay. Thank you.

[1:33:11] >> Or the nine. Monday the nine.

[1:33:13] >> Monday the 9th. Yep. And now on the

[1:33:15] issue before us this evening, uh, for

[1:33:18] the most recent, uh, I move we give them

[1:33:20] a three-day uh, suspension, two days to

[1:33:24] be held in advance, one day to be

[1:33:26] served.

[1:33:31] » Second.

[1:33:32] >> Three days. Three days.

[1:33:34] >> Three days in a

[1:33:35] >> two in advance, one to be served.

[1:33:38] >> We consider abance to be 24 months.

[1:33:42] 12

[1:33:43] >> 12 12

[1:33:43] >> 12 months

[1:33:44] >> only 12

[1:33:45] >> yeah we the clock is if you if you're

[1:33:48] within a year

[1:33:49] >> so I think we should stay steady with

[1:33:51] that we've done it for 20 something

[1:33:53] years

[1:33:53] >> as of today

[1:33:55] >> as of the five as of the 5 days after

[1:33:58] the clerk gets the letter out

[1:34:00] [clears throat] so as of tonight plus

[1:34:02] the the recorded date 12 months two days

[1:34:06] held in obeyance for 12 months one day

[1:34:08] to be served

[1:34:09] >> so today's the Six.

[1:34:11] >> Would you go with that one?

[1:34:12] >> So, as of the 10

[1:34:15] >> or the they're going to serve that.

[1:34:18] >> When do we start the 12 months?

[1:34:21] >> Oh, well, I get the letter out.

[1:34:23] >> Yeah.

[1:34:23] >> So, today is the 6th.

[1:34:26] >> 1 2

[1:34:28] 3.

[1:34:31] I mean, they'll have it by the 13th.

[1:34:33] >> So, as of the 13th. So, the

[1:34:35] >> So, as of November 13th, 2027.

[1:34:37] >> October 13. You mean

[1:34:39] >> October 13, 2027.

[1:34:40] >> Okay. So 12 months

[1:34:42] >> student obeyance until October 13, 2027.

[1:34:44] C

[1:34:45] >> can I amend that?

[1:34:47] >> So that has been seconded, right?

[1:34:50] >> Madame Cler, did you get can you get

[1:34:52] clarification on that motion? Do you did

[1:34:54] do you have it?

[1:34:55] >> The motion right now is a 3-day

[1:34:57] suspension, one day to be served,

[1:35:00] two held in obeyance

[1:35:02] um through October 13, 2027.

[1:35:07] And can for complete clarity another

[1:35:10] infraction

[1:35:12] by that date because I don't want to

[1:35:16] have this other discussion about when we

[1:35:18] hear it

[1:35:20] without another incident before that

[1:35:22] date.

[1:35:22] >> That's what heling the being.

[1:35:24] >> Okay. All right. Then leave it the way

[1:35:25] it is.

[1:35:26] >> Okay. And you have a

[1:35:28] >> can I make an amendment?

[1:35:29] >> Sure.

[1:35:30] >> So uh the three days held in abance.

[1:35:36] So

[1:35:37] member bean is amending to

[1:35:40] give three days all three days held in

[1:35:43] the ban.

[1:35:45] >> Do I have a second?

[1:35:48] >> Second.

[1:35:50] >> Okay. So the amendment has been seconded

[1:35:54] and I don't think I've been doing that.

[1:35:56] So let's vote on the amendment.

[1:35:58] >> Comments

[1:35:58] >> as amended.

[1:35:59] >> Comments.

[1:36:00] >> Let's vote as amended. Yes. Comments.

[1:36:02] >> Comments as amended.

[1:36:03] >> Yes. Uh I was specific in my uh uh my

[1:36:07] choice on what I uh um originally

[1:36:09] motioned because this is a repeat

[1:36:11] offender. They're going to serve the the we gave them the latitude a year

[1:36:17] ago.

[1:36:19] Didn't happen. Failed. This is a repeat

[1:36:21] offender. And I didn't want to go too

[1:36:22] heavy-handed on them for 3 days suspend

[1:36:25] three days to be held. I thought this

[1:36:27] was a decent middle ground. And um I

[1:36:30] think we're taking a step backward if we

[1:36:32] then go back to 3 days held in the

[1:36:33] bands.

[1:36:35] >> Thank you. Any further discussions

[1:36:39] here? None. I mean I I do think either

[1:36:42] way

[1:36:45] the the idea here just so you understand

[1:36:47] Mr. Patel is it's not to punish

[1:36:50] businesses. I mean we want to be a town

[1:36:54] that is businessfriendly. We just want

[1:36:56] to make sure it's done safely.

[1:36:58] especially when it comes to our kids. Um

[1:37:02] so the idea is not that we want to

[1:37:05] punish but unfortunately when things

[1:37:08] like this happen we we have to make sure

[1:37:10] that people are held accountable.

[1:37:13] So

[1:37:14] if we give three days and you serve one

[1:37:17] now and two in a ban that means that

[1:37:19] within 12 months if you do it again then

[1:37:22] you serve the other two days. If we give

[1:37:24] three days head in a ban, that means

[1:37:27] within 12 months, if it happens again,

[1:37:29] you're serving three days. So, you're

[1:37:31] still going to serve three days within

[1:37:33] the next 12 months if this happen again

[1:37:36] regardless of either one of these

[1:37:38] motions. Uh just so you see how serious

[1:37:43] and important this is. uh from my

[1:37:46] perspective because we want to make sure

[1:37:49] that it doesn't happen that you do the

[1:37:51] training I would I'm leaning towards

[1:37:53] supporting the amended motion. Um but

[1:37:58] just understand that it means if it

[1:37:59] happens again you're going to serve all

[1:38:01] three days no questions asked.

[1:38:05] >> Mr. Chair and I appreciate the no

[1:38:07] questions asked but there's questions

[1:38:09] asked.

[1:38:10] >> The one day that we already held in the

[1:38:11] bay shouldn't even be a discussion

[1:38:12] tonight. That should be if done but

[1:38:15] >> but we're enforcing it. So we people can

[1:38:18] always ask questions but we will still

[1:38:20] come down to whatever the regulation

[1:38:22] says. So I do have an amended motion. So

[1:38:25] I'll go on and proceed with a vote. All

[1:38:27] those in favor of the amended motion to

[1:38:29] have the three days held in the ban say

[1:38:32] I. I oppose.

[1:38:35] >> No.

[1:38:36] >> That's 32.

[1:38:37] >> 32.

[1:38:38] >> Yes. And that date was going to be the

[1:38:40] held in obeyance is going through

[1:38:42] October 13 of 2027.

[1:38:44] >> That's correct.

[1:38:45] >> Thank you.

[1:38:47] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:38:49] >> Thank you.

[1:38:54] Next,

[1:39:02] a public hearing will be held under

[1:39:04] chapter 138 of the MGL's to consider

[1:39:06] whether the license to sell alcoholic

[1:39:08] beverages by US Sushi Inc. Doing

[1:39:11] business as J&J Asian Cuisine and Lounge

[1:39:14] at 156 Andover Street. Sheilong who

[1:39:18] manager should be suspended, revoked or

[1:39:21] limited in any way.

[1:39:24] >> Okay.

[1:39:25] >> Hi, good evening. Yes, my name is Shong

[1:39:27] Hill.

[1:39:28] >> Um,

[1:39:32] » so um just

[1:39:35] some information from to the board

[1:39:37] members. So on November 12th, 2025, an

[1:39:41] underage patron purchased

[1:39:44] uh a buttlight at the bar without being

[1:39:47] asked for identification. During the

[1:39:50] December 16, 2025 hearing, the board

[1:39:54] reviewed the license corrective actions

[1:39:58] and staff training, noting no documented

[1:40:02] issues since the license was issued in

[1:40:04] 2024. So that was their first one and

[1:40:07] the board voted voted 50 to impose a

[1:40:10] 1-day suspension held in a ban for one

[1:40:13] year. So the current violation occur on

[1:40:16] July 27, 2026

[1:40:19] approximately 7 months into uh the the

[1:40:24] period the grace period that they were

[1:40:26] given and the staff members serve

[1:40:29] alcohol to a person under 21 without uh

[1:40:33] identifications. So board members any

[1:40:36] questions comments? Member Bean,

[1:40:38] >> Mr. Chairman, can we hear from the Sure

[1:40:41] whether they've taken some remediation

[1:40:43] or whatever?

[1:40:43] >> Sure. Uh so what happened here and what

[1:40:45] are you doing about it? Thank you member

[1:40:48] T.

[1:40:49] >> Uh in that day the bartender he make uh

[1:40:52] he failed he make a mistake and

[1:40:58] my manager and me it also was there but

[1:41:02] happens happen. So, so sorry about that.

[1:41:07] And we later we we also have a

[1:41:10] retraining for everybody and the tape

[1:41:14] certificate right over here.

[1:41:16] >> Could I ask you to move closer to the

[1:41:17] microphone? It's hard to hear you. I'm

[1:41:19] sorry.

[1:41:19] >> Oh, sorry.

[1:41:20] >> That's all right.

[1:41:21] >> I I just returning for everybody. And

[1:41:23] the tip tip certificate right here. And we also put the the sign for the

[1:41:32] check ID and

[1:41:34] check the under 21 the sign for

[1:41:36] everywhere to let them see to see. So

[1:41:41] sometime they service they will see the

[1:41:43] sign like a check ID or under 21 the

[1:41:47] world like that.

[1:41:50] Okay. Thank you. Um board members

[1:41:53] questions comments. Remember Bean?

[1:41:57] >> Um, you folks have the scanner?

[1:42:00] >> No.

[1:42:01] >> But I have the the scanner can not not a

[1:42:05] scanner. It's like a flashlight, but

[1:42:07] they can check the real or not real.

[1:42:09] >> Okay.

[1:42:11] >> And I I know I heard you say that you

[1:42:13] did retraining.

[1:42:14] >> Yes.

[1:42:14] >> Okay.

[1:42:16] Um,

[1:42:18] no, no more questions. Thank you,

[1:42:20] >> member Bennett.

[1:42:22] >> No questions.

[1:42:24] Member Bernard.

[1:42:25] >> Yep. My same thing. Mistake. Um and you

[1:42:27] said you have retrained. Yes.

[1:42:29] >> And how often do you do it?

[1:42:32] >> Uh

[1:42:34] like like quarterly or semianually?

[1:42:37] Monthly.

[1:42:39] >> We just do that. We just did that.

[1:42:41] >> But is it ongoing? You continuously?

[1:42:43] >> Yeah. Probably uh six month I can do one

[1:42:46] more time.

[1:42:47] >> And you and you attend the training too.

[1:42:50] >> Yeah.

[1:42:50] >> Okay. That's it. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:42:53] Member Twagers

[1:42:57] of record of one of the names on the

[1:42:59] liquor license in the building at the

[1:43:00] time?

[1:43:01] >> No, only me.

[1:43:02] >> But your name is the manager on the

[1:43:05] liquor license, right?

[1:43:06] >> Yeah.

[1:43:06] >> Were you in the building at the time?

[1:43:08] >> Yeah.

[1:43:09] >> Okay. And do you card everyone or do you

[1:43:13] have uh do you do you subjectively

[1:43:15] decide who you're going to card?

[1:43:17] >> You mean the tip certificate?

[1:43:19] >> No. When you card a patron, when someone

[1:43:21] comes into the restaurant, I've been in

[1:43:23] there. I like the restaurant. When

[1:43:24] someone comes in, do you card everyone

[1:43:27] or only people you think look under 21?

[1:43:30] >> Uh,

[1:43:32] >> I think what he's asking is, do you ask

[1:43:34] everybody for ID

[1:43:36] >> or only the people that look old?

[1:43:38] >> Yeah, last time I uh last time I said

[1:43:41] it's under like 40 also. Right now I was

[1:43:44] telling them like also like under under

[1:43:46] 40

[1:43:48] they under 40 let them all check the

[1:43:51] IDs.

[1:43:52] >> Okay. And I think last time well

[1:43:55] actually

[1:43:56] all right. Um thank you. Thank you.

[1:43:59] Let's take my questions Mr. Chairman.

[1:44:01] >> Thank you. Uh this is a public hearing.

[1:44:03] Anybody in the public has a questions,

[1:44:05] comments?

[1:44:06] >> Motion to close the public hearing.

[1:44:08] >> Second.

[1:44:09] >> All those in favor say I. I.

[1:44:11] >> I.

[1:44:12] >> Okay. 50. Uh back to the board. Uh I'll

[1:44:15] entertain a motion.

[1:44:16] >> Mr. Chairman, I'd like to do the first

[1:44:17] motion, which is to impose the one day

[1:44:19] suspended license to be served

[1:44:22] >> under the same conditions as we had pre

[1:44:24] uh as the last motion.

[1:44:26] >> Okay. So, one day to be served. Uh that

[1:44:30] was seconded. Any other questions,

[1:44:33] comments?

[1:44:34] >> Hear none. All those in favor say I. I.

[1:44:38] >> Then, Mr. Chairman, I move again um

[1:44:43] seeing the will of the board, I'll make

[1:44:45] a motion that we do 3 days held in

[1:44:46] advance.

[1:44:47] >> Uh can we choose can we do a motion on

[1:44:49] the date?

[1:44:50] >> Oh, sure. Uh I move that we do the same

[1:44:52] similar date that we did for the last uh

[1:44:54] >> So that's November 9th.

[1:44:56] >> November 9th.

[1:44:57] >> Honor before November 9th.

[1:44:59] >> Second.

[1:45:00] >> Any other discussions? All those in

[1:45:02] favor say I.

[1:45:04] >> I. Mr. Chairman, I move we um that we do

[1:45:08] a three-day held in advance.

[1:45:10] >> Second.

[1:45:12] >> Any and still on until October 13th.

[1:45:17] >> Still until the same date. Yes, please.

[1:45:21] >> So, that has been seconded. Any other

[1:45:23] discussions? All those in favor say I.

[1:45:26] Oppose. That's 5. So basically what

[1:45:29] that means is uh one you get a letter

[1:45:33] from the town clerk the the original

[1:45:35] suspension will be served on November 9

[1:45:39] and then there's going to be another

[1:45:40] 3-day suspensions held for one year. So

[1:45:44] if nothing happened until October 13,

[1:45:48] 2027

[1:45:50] that goes away. But if anything has

[1:45:53] happened,

[1:45:54] >> you will have 3-day suspension

[1:45:57] that you will have to serve.

[1:45:59] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:46:04] All set.

[1:46:04] >> Thank you, your honor.

[1:46:06] >> Thank you.

[1:46:07] Next.

[1:46:12] » A public hearing will be held under

[1:46:14] chapter 138 of the MGL's to consider

[1:46:16] whether the license to sell alcoholic

[1:46:18] beverages held by Braa Inc. doing

[1:46:20] business as 466

[1:46:23] Pub and Grill, 466 Newbury Street,

[1:46:25] Janice Barakia, manager should be

[1:46:28] suspended, revoked, or limited in any

[1:46:30] way. Anybody here speak to that? Want to

[1:46:33] just go to the microphone, please, and

[1:46:35] introduce yourself.

[1:46:41] » Good evening. Um, my name is Richard

[1:46:43] Brasher. Uh, part of the family that

[1:46:45] owns the establishment. We've been in

[1:46:47] the town for now uh 32 years.

[1:46:50] Had the privilege of being part of the

[1:46:52] community and um I hate to sound like a

[1:46:55] broken record, but we had a lapse of

[1:46:58] judgment by one of our servers. Angelo

[1:46:59] Stephanon's here. He's also the kitchen

[1:47:02] manager. He's tip certified just like

[1:47:04] most of our serving all of our serving

[1:47:06] staff is. And uh he just had a momentary

[1:47:11] lapse of judgment. We don't take it

[1:47:14] lightly. and um

[1:47:19] sorry to be here and

[1:47:24] okay thank you. So uh just for the board

[1:47:28] um based on the records uh so far we

[1:47:32] have not noticed there was uh no known prior violation in recent years

[1:47:40] from this establishment. Uh the current

[1:47:43] violation occur on July 27, 2026 where

[1:47:48] staff serve alcohol to a person under 21

[1:47:52] without requesting uh identification.

[1:47:55] Board members questions, comments.

[1:47:57] Member Bennett,

[1:47:58] >> no questions.

[1:47:59] >> Member Bernard,

[1:48:01] >> um training, you said ongoing training,

[1:48:04] monthly

[1:48:05] >> tips certified come. They come in

[1:48:06] yearly.

[1:48:07] >> Yearly.

[1:48:07] >> Um and just daytoday I'm there, you

[1:48:10] know, in everybody's ear. They're pretty

[1:48:12] Everybody knows

[1:48:13] >> and you attend.

[1:48:14] >> They know what to do. They just

[1:48:16] >> sometimes they don't do it. And you can

[1:48:18] have scanners, but they still have to

[1:48:19] use a scanner,

[1:48:20] >> you know.

[1:48:22] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:48:23] >> Member Bean.

[1:48:25] >> Uh, no, no questions.

[1:48:26] >> Member Trusk.

[1:48:27] >> No, no questions. Thank you.

[1:48:29] >> Okay. This is a public hearing. Anybody

[1:48:31] in the audience has a questions,

[1:48:32] comments? Hear none.

[1:48:34] >> Motion to close the public hearing.

[1:48:36] >> Second.

[1:48:37] >> All those in favor say I.

[1:48:38] >> I.

[1:48:39] >> Oppos. 5. Mhm.

[1:48:41] >> Mr. Chairman, in keeping with our

[1:48:44] trying to be consistent about how we do

[1:48:45] this, I'd like to motion that we impose

[1:48:48] a one-day um a one-day uh u suspension

[1:48:53] held in abance until whatever the date

[1:48:56] is that we're

[1:48:57] >> 13, 2027.

[1:48:58] >> October 13, 2027.

[1:49:01] >> You want to go with that same date?

[1:49:02] That's fine. But that we don't have the

[1:49:04] letter opt. Well, we do have the letter

[1:49:05] option. That's right.

[1:49:06] >> Yeah.

[1:49:07] >> Yep. That's fine. October

[1:49:09] >> 13, 2027.

[1:49:10] >> 2027. Yep. Okay. Thank you.

[1:49:12] >> Do I have a second on a motion?

[1:49:13] >> Second.

[1:49:14] >> Any further discussions?

[1:49:18] » All those in favor say I. I.

[1:49:20] >> I.

[1:49:22] >> 5.

[1:49:22] >> Thank you.

[1:49:23] >> Well, we hope to only see you at the

[1:49:26] establishment, not here.

[1:49:29] >> Thank you.

[1:49:34] Next,

[1:49:35] >> the board will hear from Lieutenant Rob

[1:49:37] Sullivan regarding potential changes to

[1:49:39] the traffic rules and orders. The board

[1:49:41] will allow public comment.

[1:49:43] >> So, Madame Town Manager, uh, can you

[1:49:46] just introduce this for us?

[1:49:48] >> Sure. Thank you.

[1:49:50] Um, one minute while this comes up.

[1:49:56] » Um, and Lieutenant, do you need to plug

[1:49:58] in your computer?

[1:50:02] You want a quick 8808

[1:50:05] quick?

[1:50:06] >> Thank you.

[1:50:07] >> Sure.

[1:50:08] >> Uh prior to this, could we take a five

[1:50:10] minute recess, please?

[1:50:12] >> So, can I get

[1:50:15] >> Yes, please. Uh while he sets up the

[1:50:18] PowerPoint.

[1:50:18] >> Okay,

[1:50:19] >> let's take a five minute recess. So,

[1:50:22] we'll be back at 8

[1:50:25] 14.

[2:00:15] Well, I had a blast doing it.

[2:00:21] » I would call the meeting back to order.

[2:00:24] >> Owen, I'm good.

[2:00:27] >> That was bugging me all night.

[2:00:28] [laughter]

[2:00:32] » Keep an eye on that.

[2:00:33] >> I'll call the meeting back to order,

[2:00:34] please.

[2:00:35] >> I came inside.

[2:00:36] >> Thank you. Thank you. and welcome back.

[2:00:38] Um,

[2:00:40] we were on item number

[2:00:43] >> item number 12.

[2:00:46] >> please. Could you

[2:00:47] >> Sure. The board will hear from

[2:00:49] Lieutenant Rob Sullivan regarding

[2:00:50] potential changes to the traffic rules

[2:00:52] and orders. The board will allow public

[2:00:54] comment.

[2:00:56] >> Thank you. Um, Madame Town Manager.

[2:00:58] >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, I just

[2:01:01] wanted to give a little introduction to

[2:01:03] the public. Um the dams transportation

[2:01:06] advisory committee does not necessarily

[2:01:08] come before you often. Uh Mr. Bates

[2:01:10] spoke about it this morning. Um it was

[2:01:13] and there are members on here who

[2:01:14] probably have more historic knowledge

[2:01:16] than I. It was created by the select

[2:01:17] board um originally um to help move

[2:01:21] along the time in which um public would

[2:01:23] necessarily come here to report traffic

[2:01:25] violations. And actually Lieutenant Svin

[2:01:27] can probably add to this too. um and

[2:01:30] instead set up a way for uh the public

[2:01:32] to reach staff. Um the sta it is a

[2:01:36] staff-led committee. It is not subject

[2:01:38] to open meeting law. It it will not be

[2:01:40] subject to open meeting law because it's

[2:01:41] staffled. They're not elected officials

[2:01:43] or um or or board committee members who

[2:01:47] are appointed. Um but they try very hard

[2:01:51] to balance transparency with efficiency

[2:01:53] and they post their meeting notices,

[2:01:54] agendas and minutes as a courtesy of the

[2:01:56] public as well as take open comment at

[2:01:58] their meetings. Um they put a lot of

[2:02:02] time and effort into that. Some of the

[2:02:03] things that come before them can be

[2:02:05] handled operationally.

[2:02:08] Um which sometimes changing the language

[2:02:10] on the sign, moving sign, um addressing

[2:02:13] a crosswalk error, some of those things

[2:02:15] they can handle internally. Um but many

[2:02:18] of those things, anything that uh

[2:02:19] relates to the traffic rules and orders,

[2:02:22] which is one of the things being

[2:02:23] presented to you today, um has to come

[2:02:25] before the board as you serve as the

[2:02:27] traffic commissioners. Um and how those

[2:02:31] are handled is ruled by Mass General

[2:02:34] law. They are not subject to a public

[2:02:36] hearing. So this is not a formal public

[2:02:38] hearing also, but the board does elect

[2:02:41] to take public comment on these things.

[2:02:43] The DTAC also works very hard at the

[2:02:46] board's request to notify people um when

[2:02:49] there are significant changes. Uh so so

[2:02:52] it's kind of a hybrid of a of a beast of

[2:02:56] a public beast. Uh, so I just wanted to

[2:02:59] make sure that we set some of those um

[2:03:02] put some clarity around kind of what

[2:03:03] they're subject to, what they're not,

[2:03:05] and and that the goal, I believe, for

[2:03:06] the board and I know for the staff is to

[2:03:09] uh be as transparent and efficient with

[2:03:11] the requests from the public, the time

[2:03:13] of the public, and the time of the board

[2:03:16] as well. Uh, tonight, Lieutenant um

[2:03:20] Sullivan will be presenting two

[2:03:22] different um reviews. The first one is

[2:03:25] related to the traffic rules and orders.

[2:03:27] Um so he's going to do that first and

[2:03:30] then at your discretion, Mr. Chairman,

[2:03:32] uh take questions from the board and and

[2:03:34] the public move through that piece. And

[2:03:36] then the second piece um so the first

[2:03:39] one was covered by a memo from um Aaron

[2:03:43] Henry and Lieutenant Sullivan um related

[2:03:45] to the traffic rules and orders. The

[2:03:47] second one was a memo from Lieutenant

[2:03:49] Sullivan related to special speed

[2:03:51] regulations. That one's um a little more

[2:03:55] complicated on the process because that

[2:03:57] is a state regulation and Lieutenant

[2:03:59] Svin will get into this. That used to

[2:04:02] bundle like 20 of them together and now

[2:04:04] the state wants them individual. So, you

[2:04:06] have a lot of work ahead of you tonight.

[2:04:08] Um the lieutenant and I are here to

[2:04:11] assist as well as Madame Clerk. She's highly engaged in these. Um and

[2:04:16] I'll hand it over to Lieutenant

[2:04:18] Sullivan.

[2:04:19] >> Thank you.

[2:04:20] Mr. Chairman. Um, I thought

[2:04:22] it might be easiest to see if we go

[2:04:23] through there are four bullet points

[2:04:24] from the uh land use and advisory uh

[2:04:27] office on the updates to the traffic

[2:04:30] regulation book. If we took each of

[2:04:32] those bullets one at a time.

[2:04:33] >> Sure.

[2:04:33] >> And discuss them just in the order that

[2:04:35] they appear in the in the memo if that's

[2:04:37] acceptable.

[2:04:38] >> Sure. Now to the board members, do you

[2:04:41] want to do um the bullet on vote on the

[2:04:45] bullet or do you want to get the four

[2:04:47] bullets and then we can entertain

[2:04:50] motions after?

[2:04:53] >> Looking at the

[2:04:54] >> have a preference.

[2:04:56] >> If you look at the bullets, uh couple of

[2:04:59] them are quick knockoffs. Uh

[2:05:01] typographical errors, clarity in

[2:05:03] wording, I think it's fine. So should we

[2:05:06] go through that and vote vote on it and

[2:05:09] move on or should we listen to all four

[2:05:11] bullet and then

[2:05:12] >> to the extent and we may revisit it when

[2:05:13] we have more comment about the actual

[2:05:15] parking other parts of it but yes

[2:05:17] >> yeah I would be fine with

[2:05:18] >> this one

[2:05:22] any preference I just wanted it's not a

[2:05:24] vote but just a general consensus from

[2:05:26] the vote

[2:05:28] >> eventually take a

[2:05:31] would that work would that work for you

[2:05:32] >> yes sir it would

[2:05:33] >> okay thank you

[2:05:34] >> uh As uh member Tras pointed out, the

[2:05:37] first uh the first bullet is just

[2:05:39] grammatical. Nothing in this section

[2:05:41] changes any law or regulation um of the uh the manual. Um it's adding

[2:05:47] ands, ors, commas, and I think there's

[2:05:50] one deletion because the same entry was

[2:05:52] found twice.

[2:05:54] >> Yes,

[2:05:54] >> there's nothing further for that first

[2:05:56] the first paragraph of your memo.

[2:05:58] >> Okay. Any questions from board members?

[2:06:01] Uh member?

[2:06:03] >> No, I I looked at all of them. I've

[2:06:05] circled them and they all look fine. The

[2:06:07] one that is redundant,

[2:06:09] we'll have further discussion on when we

[2:06:11] talk about the parking time changes

[2:06:13] because they overlap on Park Street, the

[2:06:16] Park Street one. But as far as the

[2:06:17] grammatical portions, I'm fine.

[2:06:20] >> So, uh, so are we okay? Member Bean.

[2:06:25] >> Uh, no questions.

[2:06:27] >> Member Bennett,

[2:06:28] >> we can move forwards.

[2:06:30] >> Okay.

[2:06:31] >> Member move. Yep. Move.

[2:06:33] So for this uh grammatical error again

[2:06:37] this um agenda item

[2:06:42] is not a public hearing but we had

[2:06:44] posted on the agenda that the public was

[2:06:47] welcome to speak. Um

[2:06:51] the public comments will be limited to

[2:06:53] three minutes per person. I know we've

[2:06:55] gotten emails, calls and uh messages

[2:06:59] about this matter. So there's a high

[2:07:01] public interest. Um

[2:07:04] and thank you

[2:07:06] >> out of respect to everyone I will say

[2:07:09] you know

[2:07:11] just keep to your time uh just so that

[2:07:14] we can move this along. So for the

[2:07:16] grammatical

[2:07:19] portion uh just changing the formatting

[2:07:23] and minor grammatical changes. Is there

[2:07:26] anyone in the public who would like to

[2:07:27] speak

[2:07:30] here? None. Okay.

[2:07:32] >> Oh, wait a minute.

[2:07:32] >> So,

[2:07:34] >> okay. Now, hold on. Uh, just help me

[2:07:37] here, madam. So, are we giving them

[2:07:40] three minutes per bullet or they get

[2:07:42] their three minutes? Well, [laughter]

[2:07:44] >> because I think I just

[2:07:46] >> me I think you would.

[2:07:49] Oh yeah, like this computer in front of

[2:07:50] >> I think I would think but that's

[2:07:52] >> Yeah, but I think it's I think it's

[2:07:53] three minutes on the agenda.

[2:07:56] >> Mr. Chairman, I I I we've made the

[2:07:58] decision to go bullet by bullet. I would error on the side of caution and

[2:08:02] allow three minutes per bullet.

[2:08:04] >> Okay, that's fine. Yes. Uh Mr. Zubik. uh

[2:08:08] Mark Zubick. The only thing I have a

[2:08:11] concern with is I know that some people

[2:08:15] have been involved in this thing, but I

[2:08:19] don't know if anybody else here has a

[2:08:21] document in front of them that you have.

[2:08:24] So, how can we even make a comment if we

[2:08:28] don't have the document that you're

[2:08:30] considering? And the thing is that, you

[2:08:34] know, it's like flying blind. So, I'm

[2:08:37] sorry, but I I there's there are no

[2:08:39] comments that I can make because I don't

[2:08:42] know what you're looking at,

[2:08:43] >> Mr. Chairman. Those are all supplied.

[2:08:45] That was supplied online with the

[2:08:47] meeting material.

[2:08:48] >> That's part of the meeting materials,

[2:08:49] Mark. And the agenda

[2:08:51] >> posted last week.

[2:08:52] >> Everything was posted last week. Thank

[2:08:54] you. Uh so, no other public comments.

[2:08:58] So, I entertain a motion uh from the

[2:09:01] board to accept the proposed grammatical

[2:09:03] and formatting changes as presented on

[2:09:06] page 5, 7, 21, 22, and 23 of the

[2:09:11] package.

[2:09:12] >> I'll second it.

[2:09:14] >> No, that was asking for a motion. Okay.

[2:09:17] So, move then move second by

[2:09:20] >> Marin uh

[2:09:21] >> member Bernard.

[2:09:23] >> Okay. Any other discussions on that

[2:09:25] motion? Hear none. All those in favor

[2:09:27] say I.

[2:09:28] >> I.

[2:09:31] >> Okay. So that's five.

[2:09:32] >> Mhm.

[2:09:32] >> Perfect.

[2:09:33] >> Then the next one uh Lieutenant Rob.

[2:09:37] Yes. Which is the next one?

[2:09:38] >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The second

[2:09:40] one is insertion of language regarding

[2:09:42] time limits. This actually started as a

[2:09:44] much bigger project maybe about two

[2:09:45] years ago uh with with redevelopment of

[2:09:48] the uh entire downtown area. Um we have

[2:09:51] worked through some of the issues with

[2:09:53] municipal parking lots in new language.

[2:09:55] uh traffic advisory uh commission sent

[2:09:58] recommendations to uh the select board

[2:10:00] which was approved. Uh this was part of

[2:10:02] the project moving forward to the public

[2:10:05] ways. Um and in doing so when we were

[2:10:07] looking at this um we discovered we kind

[2:10:10] of stepped into the next issue. You'll

[2:10:12] hear from the the fisers and some other

[2:10:13] residents how it's a separate issue but

[2:10:16] this was kind of like the beginning of

[2:10:18] what was happening in the neighborhood

[2:10:19] and was a start of their their community

[2:10:22] problems. Um essentially we have found

[2:10:24] that the regul some of the regulations

[2:10:26] in the the book take for example parking

[2:10:28] language it says on any one of the

[2:10:31] streets that are governed by uh time

[2:10:33] restriction it says either 1 2 or 3

[2:10:35] hours except for Sundays and holidays.

[2:10:38] Uh plain reading means that's 1 2 or 3

[2:10:41] hours 24/7 except for uh Sundays and

[2:10:44] holidays. um that does not match what

[2:10:48] the signs out in the field say um which

[2:10:51] does not match what enforcement is

[2:10:53] doing. Um so we wanted to make sure that

[2:10:56] as we looked at all of the public public

[2:10:58] ways and lots that the book was clear as

[2:11:01] to what the select board wanted for the

[2:11:03] regulations that the signs the verbiage

[2:11:06] on the signs matched the the verbiage in

[2:11:09] the book and that the signs out in the

[2:11:11] field.

[2:11:12] >> Am I am I throwing this up? Can I go

[2:11:13] now?

[2:11:14] >> No. No. please keep going.

[2:11:16] >> Um that the um the signs in the field

[2:11:19] were accurate and the signs in the field

[2:11:21] were at um place at appropriate points.

[2:11:23] Um as you'll hear from the fishes,

[2:11:25] something as very simple as having this

[2:11:27] language in correct signs um can

[2:11:30] actually stop further problems. um what

[2:11:33] actually began as um a a parking

[2:11:36] dispute. Somebody not paying attention

[2:11:37] to what the signs and regulations said

[2:11:40] on the street turned into um a dispute,

[2:11:43] disagreement amongst amongst neighbors

[2:11:45] in the area. Um it turned into

[2:11:48] allegations of people being um

[2:11:50] protective or possessive of their

[2:11:52] individual spots. Um and then it when

[2:11:55] town staff attempted to intervene, we

[2:11:58] found that some of the language was not

[2:11:59] correct. Some of the signs were not

[2:12:00] correct. Um so we attempted to um give

[2:12:04] warnings to the residents which turned

[2:12:07] around further pitting residents against

[2:12:09] resident thinking that they were doing

[2:12:10] that to each other leaving uh

[2:12:12] information on each other's cars. Um

[2:12:15] that then escalated to from just a

[2:12:17] simple parking dispute to the the fishes

[2:12:19] who are here tonight um to having uh

[2:12:21] crimes occur. Um their property was

[2:12:23] vandalized, their cars were vandalized.

[2:12:25] Um, and while there's no information to

[2:12:28] uh prove who who did uh did commit that

[2:12:30] offense, um, I do think there was an

[2:12:33] opportunity for us. Had we had the

[2:12:35] correct language, the correct signs, and

[2:12:38] fair and consistent enforcement, maybe

[2:12:39] some of this wouldn't have happened. So,

[2:12:41] that kind of rolls into this entire

[2:12:43] paragraph with just to refresh, you

[2:12:46] skipped the paragraph. You skipped the

[2:12:47] first one. They didn't take a motion on

[2:12:49] the first one. The first one is just the

[2:12:51] general time allowed in the town.

[2:12:53] >> Yes.

[2:12:54] >> Yeah. So that's where you are, select

[2:12:56] board, sorry, to keep you on track.

[2:12:57] >> Um, so

[2:12:58] >> so we can get the housekeeping ones out

[2:12:59] of the way. So the the second bullet is

[2:13:02] specifically to the general time within

[2:13:04] the town

[2:13:05] >> on page eight.

[2:13:06] >> On page

[2:13:08] >> 49. P section. Nope. Move to uh

[2:13:12] >> section seven on page eight. Yes. And

[2:13:15] the corresponding on page 49. So just

[2:13:17] it's 8 a.m. to

[2:13:18] >> Yeah. So this is adding specific language. The book now we call

[2:13:22] it the book. It's the regulation manual.

[2:13:23] The book now says all of these streets

[2:13:26] either one, two, or 3 hours. This

[2:13:28] recommends in the time restrictions in

[2:13:30] certain language. Um,

[2:13:32] >> this is the general one for the entire

[2:13:34] town.

[2:13:34] >> This is the baseline.

[2:13:35] between 8 a.m. So,

[2:13:37] no specific streets.

[2:13:38] >> Correct. They would all be covered. So,

[2:13:40] all of the

[2:13:40] >> between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m.

[2:13:42] >> Yes. So, all of the streets, but it

[2:13:44] specifies the hours. It specifies not uh

[2:13:46] Sundays, not holidays. The hours are

[2:13:49] from 8 a.m. till uh till 6 pm if there's

[2:13:51] a parking restriction unless although

[2:13:53] there are a few um there are a few that

[2:13:56] have their own hours in the regulations.

[2:13:58] >> We'll get to that for the third bullet.

[2:13:59] This one is the catch all.

[2:14:01] >> Yes.

[2:14:02] >> And it also I I I'm very pleased to see

[2:14:04] that it does specifically talk about the

[2:14:06] fact that you can't just bunny hop your

[2:14:08] cars

[2:14:09] >> and and get in your car after two hours

[2:14:11] and move it up one spot and consider

[2:14:13] that a new a new two hours. It's not

[2:14:16] eligible for that. So we're talking for

[2:14:18] that bullet only the blue language on

[2:14:20] page eight.

[2:14:24] » Okay. Thank you. Um

[2:14:27] thank you. So yeah member

[2:14:30] [clears throat]

[2:14:30] >> I'll just comment. Yes. This is a very straightforward simple

[2:14:33] one. It doesn't talk to any specific

[2:14:35] street or time to parking. It just says

[2:14:38] the standard for time to parking is this

[2:14:41] hour to this hour. and you can't just

[2:14:43] move your car two spots and expect it to

[2:14:46] restart the clock. So, I'm very

[2:14:48] satisfied with this. It's no different

[2:14:50] than we've set a town standard speed

[2:14:52] limit and only where those signs differ

[2:14:57] that people are compelled to do a

[2:15:00] different speed limit. So, I this is a

[2:15:01] good catchall.

[2:15:02] >> Okay. Thank you. Member Bean. Uh,

[2:15:05] >> nope. It sounds pretty good to me.

[2:15:08] Pretty normal.

[2:15:09] >> Member Bennett.

[2:15:10] >> I'm fine with this.

[2:15:12] Member Bernard.

[2:15:14] >> I think it's good. I like that. You

[2:15:15] know, as Ghana said to reset its time,

[2:15:17] like to move the vehicles. That's good.

[2:15:18] Perfect.

[2:15:19] >> Okay. Yeah.

[2:15:20] >> Anybody in the audience who has any

[2:15:21] questions, comments? Yes. We just want

[2:15:24] to go to the microphone.

[2:15:31] » Bill Barry telling me precinct one. I

[2:15:34] understand the comment about is it bunny

[2:15:37] hopping from one spot to another.

[2:15:39] >> Yep.

[2:15:41] Uh if someone moves from one street to

[2:15:43] another street,

[2:15:44] >> different street,

[2:15:45] >> it needs to be explained to people

[2:15:47] clearly that

[2:15:48] >> it says the one-time limited parking

[2:15:50] restriction has been reached. Um moving

[2:15:52] to a different section or space on the

[2:15:54] same street is prohibited.

[2:15:58] >> As I was said,

[2:15:59] >> you on Page Street and you went to

[2:16:00] Cherry Street, you'd be fine.

[2:16:02] >> I didn't have something to look at to

[2:16:03] review that. I just wanted to make sure

[2:16:05] that was clear. Thank you.

[2:16:09] Quick question to you,

[2:16:11] Lieutenant Go. So,

[2:16:14] >> if I park on one of these streets at

[2:16:16] 8:00 only 2 hours and then at 2:00 p.m.

[2:16:22] I come back on the same street. So, is

[2:16:25] it 2 hours consecutive or once you get

[2:16:28] your two hours for the day, you're out

[2:16:29] of luck?

[2:16:32] >> Well, it is. The regulation does say two

[2:16:34] hours. I don't know that I've

[2:16:35] encountered anybody splitting their

[2:16:37] hours up, but it would be an argument.

[2:16:39] So, if a parking clerk were to issue

[2:16:40] that ticket, um I think you would have a

[2:16:42] strong argument for an appeal that you

[2:16:44] weren't there for 2 hours. Um [music]

[2:16:47] it is as written, it is to give you two

[2:16:49] hours on any specific street, then you

[2:16:52] have to move someplace else. So, if that

[2:16:54] were your argument, you could spend two

[2:16:57] hours in one street. I think you would

[2:16:58] just have to argue that I broken my two

[2:17:00] hours into two separate pieces.

[2:17:04] Yes. So, are you saying like if you

[2:17:06] >> So, if I park if you leave for 2 hours,

[2:17:10] like you park at 8, you leave at 10:00,

[2:17:13] then you come back at 2:00 p.m. the same

[2:17:15] day. So, because I I'm not sure reading

[2:17:18] this regulation if we're talking about I

[2:17:21] know you can't hop from one spot to

[2:17:23] another, but is that for the entire day

[2:17:26] or could you come back in the afternoon

[2:17:27] and park on the same street?

[2:17:29] >> I'm sorry, I misunderstood your

[2:17:30] question. Um, so there is now I'm

[2:17:32] realizing that we have language that

[2:17:34] specifies that in municipal lots that

[2:17:36] you cannot return to the same lot during

[2:17:39] the same enforcement hours. Uh, I'm now

[2:17:41] realizing that there is no such similar

[2:17:44] language for a public way.

[2:17:46] [snorts] So essentially it says you can

[2:17:48] park for 2 hours. If you leave for 2 or

[2:17:51] 3 hours, the argument is can you come

[2:17:53] back?

[2:17:54] >> That's right. Um

[2:17:56] I think the parking clerk would make the

[2:17:58] argument you have to out it I would

[2:18:00] recommend adding that language to this u

[2:18:02] because we do have that language in the municipal lots. You cannot the lot

[2:18:06] municipal lots specifically say not

[2:18:07] returning to the same municipal lot

[2:18:09] during enforcement hours on that on that

[2:18:12] same day. Um,

[2:18:14] if the parking clerk were to write a

[2:18:17] ticket, you would have the right of

[2:18:18] appeal before the the town clerk to say,

[2:18:21] "Well, I left for an amount of time and

[2:18:23] come back." Uh, but I think the purpose

[2:18:25] of this is to give you two hours in a

[2:18:27] street.

[2:18:28] >> If I may, Mr. Chair,

[2:18:30] >> um, if if I would if I would make a

[2:18:33] recommendation, it would be so the

[2:18:34] purpose of this is um, also known as

[2:18:36] anti-shuffling. You can't go two

[2:18:38] consecutive hours here, two consecutive hours here,

[2:18:41] and just keep moving your car. the

[2:18:43] street. I think the example you're

[2:18:44] giving is I went to get coffee and my

[2:18:48] hair done at 8:00 a.m. and now I'm going

[2:18:50] out to dinner with a friend at 7:00 p.m.

[2:18:53] Can I still not park on the same street?

[2:18:54] I I don't think that is the intention of

[2:18:56] this. I wouldn't recommend that for a

[2:18:57] downtown. I think we want to encourage

[2:18:59] turnover in the downtown for our

[2:19:01] businesses. We want to encourage people

[2:19:03] to come back downtown and have dinner

[2:19:04] even if they went to the bank this

[2:19:07] morning. So I would if I was if I was

[2:19:09] going to make a recommendation on

[2:19:10] editing the language, I would use the

[2:19:12] word consecutive in there somehow so

[2:19:14] that it is clear that yes, please come

[2:19:17] back downtown for dinner and park.

[2:19:20] >> Yeah. Because as as I mean as I read it

[2:19:22] now, it's not clear to me that that's

[2:19:24] addressed and we might find oursel here

[2:19:26] 6 months from now with a different issue

[2:19:30] because someone got a ticket and they

[2:19:33] now say, "Well, I wasn't there two hours

[2:19:35] ago. Why am I getting this ticket?

[2:19:37] >> But I would I would suggest that I would

[2:19:39] suggest that the like the police

[2:19:41] department, we rely on them to use

[2:19:42] discretion as we we would with the

[2:19:44] parking clerk. If you were parked on one

[2:19:46] end of Elm Street and took two hours, I

[2:19:49] know it would be a two-hour coffee

[2:19:51] because I don't think the hairdress is

[2:19:52] going to take long for you, but um then

[2:19:54] you move to the other end of Elm Street

[2:19:55] later in the day.

[2:19:57] I think that's I think the discretion of

[2:19:59] the parking clerk would be not to give

[2:20:01] you a ticket unless in that considering

[2:20:04] it skipping.

[2:20:07] >> Okay.

[2:20:08] >> I like the word like you said

[2:20:10] consecutive.

[2:20:11] >> Yeah. I think I policy makers uh giving

[2:20:14] it some more clarity. Obviously I'm not

[2:20:16] a lawyer so I I don't know all the

[2:20:19] language stuff. uh but giving it more

[2:20:21] clarity will prevent us from being here

[2:20:24] six months from now arguing about the

[2:20:27] same thing. So

[2:20:29] I would suggest

[2:20:30] >> if I may you can come back. So the

[2:20:33] enforcement hours are 8 a.m. The

[2:20:34] timerestricted enforcement hours are

[2:20:36] 8:00 a.m. till 6:00 p.m. So it's 2 hours

[2:20:40] between those hours. So if you come back

[2:20:42] after 6:00, it's unregulated time from 6

[2:20:45] at night until 8 in the morning. There

[2:20:47] is no time restriction.

[2:20:48] >> Oh no, I understand. I'm just saying if

[2:20:50] you come back between 8 and 6,

[2:20:52] >> according to this, it says moving to a

[2:20:55] different section or space on the same

[2:20:57] street is prohibited. It doesn't say um

[2:21:02] within enforcement hours. As a matter of

[2:21:04] fact, if I want to even read it

[2:21:06] literally,

[2:21:07] >> it means you should never park on that

[2:21:09] street again, [laughter]

[2:21:11] even the next day

[2:21:13] based on this regulation. It means that

[2:21:16] once you get your two hours on on M

[2:21:19] Street, you're done for the rest of your

[2:21:21] life. I mean, [laughter]

[2:21:23] >> I'm exaggerating, but but this language

[2:21:26] needs some more

[2:21:29] >> uh clarification so that we don't I

[2:21:32] would I would suggest that this goes

[2:21:35] back honestly to to to be clarified. Uh

[2:21:39] I that that that's my inclination. I I

[2:21:43] feel like

[2:21:45] It's not very clear what what what is it

[2:21:48] that we're voting on here.

[2:21:50] >> So, let's not vote.

[2:21:51] >> Yeah.

[2:21:51] >> Motion to send back.

[2:21:52] >> So, I will I will table this uh bullet

[2:21:55] too and have DTAC

[2:21:58] uh work like staff and member Bean and

[2:22:03] Lutin and Rob kind of final this

[2:22:06] language. Maybe even talk to the town um

[2:22:09] council and bring us back a better

[2:22:12] language.

[2:22:12] >> Sure.

[2:22:13] >> Thank you.

[2:22:15] Mr. Chair, I think bullet four may be a

[2:22:17] pretty softball bullet. Can we address

[2:22:20] that before we get into the real meat of

[2:22:22] the discussion tonight?

[2:22:23] >> Uh,

[2:22:24] >> that is that is how I recommend it, too.

[2:22:27] >> I will. I'm fine with it. So,

[2:22:30] >> are we are we okay with that?

[2:22:32] >> I'm fine. That's good idea, Glenn.

[2:22:34] >> Member Bean.

[2:22:35] >> Sure.

[2:22:35] >> Okay. So, uh, Lieutenant Rob, let's jump

[2:22:39] to bullet four.

[2:22:40] >> Sure. So, bullet four, Mr. chairman just

[2:22:42] uh insert say there's a uh a missing

[2:22:44] yield control sign at Silven and

[2:22:46] Endicott Street. Part of it's a chicken

[2:22:49] restaurant raising cane.

[2:22:50] >> Raising canes.

[2:22:51] >> Um part of their engineering site plan

[2:22:54] required them to paint the road uh as a

[2:22:57] uh a yield turning from uh Silven Street

[2:23:00] right-hand turn onto Endicott Street um

[2:23:02] and to place a yield sign there. But to

[2:23:05] do so, they need permission from the

[2:23:06] select board to have a yield sign at

[2:23:08] that intersection.

[2:23:10] >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions, comments

[2:23:13] on that?

[2:23:16] >> I'm fine.

[2:23:16] >> Member

[2:23:17] >> I'm fine with that.

[2:23:18] >> None.

[2:23:18] >> Member Bennett, member bean.

[2:23:20] >> No, no question.

[2:23:21] >> Member TW. Anybody in the audience

[2:23:24] >> hear? None. So, I entertain a motion.

[2:23:27] >> I move we accept the recommendation of

[2:23:30] the clarification. And do Lieutenant

[2:23:33] Sullivan, are you looking for

[2:23:34] permission? Do we have to give

[2:23:35] permission?

[2:23:36] >> It's so the yield sign is actually

[2:23:37] inserted into the book. So I believe

[2:23:39] select board has to approve us adding

[2:23:41] that into the book.

[2:23:43] >> Yeah.

[2:23:44] >> Is it just approval into the book or

[2:23:45] separately we have to approve a sign?

[2:23:47] >> The motion should say a yield sign as

[2:23:49] presented on page 41 schedule number

[2:23:51] four.

[2:23:52] >> Yield sign is presented.

[2:23:54] >> Okay.

[2:23:55] >> Second.

[2:23:55] >> Page 41 schedule number four. That has

[2:23:58] been seconded. Any further discussions?

[2:24:01] All those in favor say I. I.

[2:24:03] >> I.

[2:24:04] >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you. buckle up.

[2:24:08] >> Uh let's go back up to bullet number

[2:24:10] three and drop.

[2:24:14] » Yes, sir. So, bullet number three has

[2:24:16] written modifications to time

[2:24:18] restrictions, which is schedule one

[2:24:19] parking locations and regulations. Uh on

[2:24:22] page 25, uh contains most of the

[2:24:25] recommended edits, the downtown, uh

[2:24:28] street work underway. Uh the traffic

[2:24:30] advisory committee determined it was

[2:24:32] logical to conduct a review of these

[2:24:33] areas. Um culminating in the

[2:24:36] recommendation to eliminate some time

[2:24:37] restrictions in several areas

[2:24:40] uh further from the square where daytime

[2:24:42] parking restrictions are believed to be

[2:24:44] no longer necessary and revise a few

[2:24:47] others. Schedule one captures those

[2:24:49] changes. Um I have a map here that um

[2:24:54] and I probably should so it covers

[2:24:58] um the streets that it covers. Um I

[2:25:01] should be clear that no place in these

[2:25:03] streets is the recommendation to add

[2:25:06] parking or delete parking. Uh no place

[2:25:09] in the recommendation. So if you're a

[2:25:11] resident and you come home tonight, no

[2:25:14] one is telling you tomorrow you cannot

[2:25:15] park in front of your house on whatever

[2:25:17] street. Um likewise, if you could not

[2:25:20] park on whatever street in front of your

[2:25:23] house, there's not a recommendation to

[2:25:25] make that area as acceptable parking. Uh

[2:25:28] it's taking a few spaces that it was

[2:25:31] believed because of past square use. Um

[2:25:35] time restrictions are no longer needed

[2:25:38] for those for those locations. But as it

[2:25:41] exists right now, parking to some form,

[2:25:42] whether it be one, two, or three hours,

[2:25:46] exists at those locations. That would be

[2:25:48] removing uh some of the uh some of the

[2:25:51] restrictions. Um

[2:25:54] and uh again, in doing so,

[2:25:59] a car could still be at each one of

[2:26:00] those locations. Currently, right now,

[2:26:02] it could be a 1-hour parking space, but

[2:26:05] in theory, you could have a car in that

[2:26:07] spot for all eight or 10 hours of

[2:26:09] enforcement regulations. It would not be

[2:26:11] the same car. Um, this would change it

[2:26:14] so it could be the same car um in that

[2:26:16] regulation. My map is uh a little bit

[2:26:19] incorrect and we can go through each of

[2:26:20] the streets. I This is the map that I

[2:26:22] presented at the traffic advisory

[2:26:25] committee which contained all of the

[2:26:26] streets. the uh the traffic advisory

[2:26:29] committee um heard from a group of

[2:26:31] residents that came and presented and uh

[2:26:34] changed this map removing the

[2:26:36] recommended changes for Park Street and

[2:26:38] leaving the other streets for your for

[2:26:40] your consideration.

[2:26:44] » Okay. So

[2:26:46] >> that was you want the light off so you

[2:26:48] can see that.

[2:26:50] >> Yeah, it's helpful.

[2:26:52] >> I think we have Oh yeah, five people to

[2:26:54] see. Okay.

[2:26:57] >> Goodbye.

[2:27:01] » Okay. So,

[2:27:02] >> so on each of the I can go through on

[2:27:04] each of the streets there are two 1-hour

[2:27:05] streets. So, Chase and School Street.

[2:27:08] So, this portion of School Street, the

[2:27:10] furthest away from the square, the

[2:27:11] portion of School Street that runs from

[2:27:13] Franklin to Popppler, uh, is currently

[2:27:16] now a on one side is no parking. On the

[2:27:18] other side, it is one hour parking. Uh

[2:27:21] the other one hour is Chase.

[2:27:26] Uh over here, Chase Street between uh

[2:27:29] Conan and Park Street. One side is no

[2:27:31] parking, the other side is um 1 hour.

[2:27:36] For these streets that were 2hour

[2:27:38] parking um restrictions are uh Berry

[2:27:41] Street, Central A,

[2:27:44] um Butler off of uh off of Locust

[2:27:46] Street, um a section of Oak Street. So,

[2:27:49] this section of Oak Street um is still

[2:27:52] currently 2 hours. The proposal was to

[2:27:55] remove the time restrictions on this

[2:27:57] section of Oak Street. Uh on Cherry

[2:28:01] Street, the portion towards the the

[2:28:02] closest portion to the square uh remains

[2:28:05] time restricted. The portion between uh

[2:28:08] Putinham and Essex Street would have the

[2:28:11] uh 2hour time restriction removed. Uh

[2:28:16] Beacon and Warren, the same thing. Uh

[2:28:19] Warren Street down here only covers

[2:28:21] essentially one house uh for a two-hour

[2:28:24] parking restriction. The rest of the

[2:28:26] street [music] is unregulated. Uh Beacon

[2:28:29] Street, both sides end to end where um

[2:28:32] we're covered by 2 hours. And then

[2:28:34] there's one uh Alden Street had a 3hour

[2:28:38] over in this section over here. Uh one

[2:28:40] side of Alden Street had a 3h hour. They

[2:28:44] don't they didn't really match up or

[2:28:45] line up to any of the cross streets. Um

[2:28:47] what they did line up to was um

[2:28:50] businesses that were in the area. Say

[2:28:51] like Denver's when Denver Savings Bank

[2:28:53] had um you know when they were expanding

[2:28:56] and they had a couple hundred employees

[2:28:57] for their 100 parking spaces. They were

[2:28:59] spilling out into the community. Uh when

[2:29:01] Hot Watt and other businesses um the

[2:29:04] building where um Betty and Sub Shop is

[2:29:06] now used to be like a a factory type

[2:29:09] building. Those uh workers would park in

[2:29:11] the in the areas. So uh the residential

[2:29:14] areas. So, some of those businesses are gone, have changed. Um, the the

[2:29:18] bank, if you drive by their lot on any

[2:29:21] given day, it's not even half their own private parking spaces are not

[2:29:24] even half half full. So, that was the reason for these changes.

[2:29:30] And as we were making these

[2:29:31] recommendations, um, we had a chance to

[2:29:33] encounter some of the the residents uh

[2:29:36] of the area who wanted to be heard as to

[2:29:38] um the proposed changes. Like I said, we

[2:29:40] did remove in the original draft. It was

[2:29:43] to um Park Street. Park Street right now is 107 ft from

[2:29:49] High Street um to um Barry Street as um

[2:29:55] to our parking that removing that has

[2:29:59] been um the traffic committee did not

[2:30:01] recommend moving that forward to the

[2:30:03] select board. So parking would still

[2:30:05] remain uh the 2 hours during the

[2:30:08] enforcement hour if you accept in the

[2:30:10] future the enforcement hours of 8 to 6

[2:30:14] uh Monday through Saturday.

[2:30:18] Okay. Thank you. Uh so board members uh

[2:30:23] questions now. Do we want to maybe just

[2:30:26] comment in general and then take them

[2:30:28] street by street or do a slate?

[2:30:31] >> I Mr. Chairman, I think that they have

[2:30:34] to be if you want to take sections by

[2:30:37] sections, but there is going there is

[2:30:39] synergy between certain streets and

[2:30:40] certain changes. And I have a number of

[2:30:43] notes that I want to go through on

[2:30:45] certain streets and certain changes. And

[2:30:48] Backbay is one section, Locust Street

[2:30:50] might be another, and you might be able

[2:30:51] to lump them that way, but um

[2:30:55] >> think one by

[2:30:56] >> But I'd like to actually start with the

[2:30:58] an underlying premise here. Um, and I

[2:31:02] sorry, Lieutenant, that I'm putting you

[2:31:03] on the spot. I realize there's a lot of

[2:31:04] work by a lot of people, but the

[2:31:06] underlying premise was the the changes

[2:31:09] were based on things um conditions that

[2:31:13] were deter determined unnecessary.

[2:31:15] What was the criteria for that? And and

[2:31:18] what supporting evidence do we have in

[2:31:20] that? I've I've heard economic we I've

[2:31:22] heard tonight you say the the bank that

[2:31:24] was used to employ 100 people uh doesn't

[2:31:28] employ that many people. that has

[2:31:30] lightened the load that was there from

[2:31:32] the bank. But I'm not sure I would agree

[2:31:34] that that is a condition for changing

[2:31:37] the hours or the or the restrictions

[2:31:39] that were in place because that bank

[2:31:41] could easily fill up again. Once you

[2:31:43] lose it, you're not going to get it

[2:31:45] back. And so I'm just wondering what the

[2:31:47] underlying con underlying premise is for

[2:31:50] making modifications. I often hear

[2:31:53] consistency and I can go with the

[2:31:55] consistency argument sometimes if if it

[2:31:57] makes sense, but I'd like to know what what what is the impetus for the changes.

[2:32:03] >> Yes, sir. There there was no one

[2:32:05] specific reason. It was looking at the

[2:32:07] downtown as a whole. Uh it was looking

[2:32:09] at how it's changed. I do think we

[2:32:11] looked at um we don't have a lot of

[2:32:13] guidance over where over the years where

[2:32:15] they came from, how they were added,

[2:32:17] what's the exact reason that this

[2:32:19] particular street and not the next

[2:32:21] street over or go across one block. Um

[2:32:23] we didn't have a lot of that. Um so we

[2:32:26] started looking at what the businesses

[2:32:28] are, what the current makeup of the

[2:32:30] square is, who's parking there, who's

[2:32:32] using it. Um and

[2:32:35] you're right, consistency. Um and then

[2:32:37] also overregulation. If you have, you

[2:32:40] know, if you have an area of school

[2:32:43] street that's between Franklin and

[2:32:45] Pabler, we couldn't find a we could not

[2:32:48] find a reason that said that's an for

[2:32:51] this reason we would want to restrict

[2:32:53] parking there for x number of hours and

[2:32:56] then allow it un unrestricted on the on

[2:32:59] the overnights. We we couldn't find a

[2:33:01] reason to keep them there in some cases.

[2:33:04] >> Okay.

[2:33:06] If you're looking for general comments,

[2:33:07] that's my general first.

[2:33:08] >> Okay. Thank you. Member Bean.

[2:33:10] >> Um, Lieutenant, aren't these

[2:33:12] restrictions all resident?

[2:33:14] >> You want to just speak to the mic? I'm

[2:33:15] sorry.

[2:33:15] >> I'm sorry.

[2:33:16] >> So people at home can Sorry.

[2:33:19] >> Sorry about that.

[2:33:20] >> Aren't these restrictions um resident

[2:33:23] driven?

[2:33:26] I mean, we didn't

[2:33:28] >> we didn't just put these in. These are

[2:33:29] people complaining about parking front

[2:33:32] of the house. Is that right?

[2:33:35] I would I I I don't want to say that I

[2:33:38] have direct knowledge. I would guess

[2:33:40] that did happen. I I think it would also

[2:33:42] be it would be like the businesses kind

[2:33:45] of we see a lot of complaints over like

[2:33:47] schools spilling out into residential

[2:33:49] communities. I would think that occurred

[2:33:51] here. Um but I wasn't part of any of

[2:33:55] those conversation, but I would assume

[2:33:56] at some point residents did come forward

[2:33:58] and ask for certain things in their

[2:33:59] neighborhoods. Um, again, I just don't

[2:34:02] know how far back these go where the the

[2:34:04] actual ask came from.

[2:34:06] >> Is is the places that you want to get

[2:34:09] rid of the restrictions, have those

[2:34:11] neighbors neighbors received

[2:34:14] notification that those would go away?

[2:34:17] >> No.

[2:34:18] >> Should shouldn't we do that?

[2:34:20] >> I think that would be a decision for

[2:34:22] this board to make. uh uh if we want to

[2:34:26] have notifications to the neighbors,

[2:34:29] it's not up to the staff. It's not

[2:34:30] required.

[2:34:31] >> Yeah.

[2:34:32] >> But if that's something we want to do,

[2:34:34] we can decide to do that and then uh

[2:34:37] give ample time to the town manager and

[2:34:40] staff to do that.

[2:34:41] >> Okay. Yeah, that's that's what I'm

[2:34:43] getting at.

[2:34:45] >> So, thank you.

[2:34:46] >> Thank you,

[2:34:47] >> Member Bennett.

[2:34:49] >> I tend to agree with Michael. Um what

[2:34:52] >> these are residential neighborhoods.

[2:34:55] Uh we should at least ask the residents

[2:34:58] their thoughts. Do they have any history

[2:35:02] on why their street is

[2:35:05] posted as it is? Do they have any

[2:35:08] objections to changing it? Uh that's a

[2:35:11] lot of work to compile and come up with

[2:35:15] some consistency.

[2:35:18] But I think it behooves us to table this

[2:35:20] discussion till the neighbors have been

[2:35:22] notified. I mean, Paid Street, it's two

[2:35:25] hours.

[2:35:28] Same people come back every day.

[2:35:31] [snorts] Are you going to change the two

[2:35:32] hours to reflect what's actually

[2:35:35] happening on that street?

[2:35:38] I don't see it being proposed here, but

[2:35:41] I think um we need to hear from the

[2:35:44] residents

[2:35:46] and I think we should table this.

[2:35:48] >> Okay, I found this on

[2:35:50] >> Okay, thank you. [laughter]

[2:35:52] Done.

[2:35:53] >> She agrees. Uh but in all seriousness,

[2:35:56] we need to hear from the residents.

[2:36:01] » Thank you, Member Bennett.

[2:36:02] >> Yeah, I have to agree with um both Mike

[2:36:04] and Dan. I think um we have to um hear

[2:36:10] from the residences and see you know

[2:36:12] what what are their thoughts you know

[2:36:15] how did this come about has there really

[2:36:16] been a traffic study done you know like

[2:36:20] we want to hear from the businesses the

[2:36:22] residents that live there I think we

[2:36:24] should table this too because I I don't

[2:36:27] want to

[2:36:28] >> do anything without hearing from the

[2:36:29] people

[2:36:30] >> right it's their neighborhoods

[2:36:32] >> Mr. chairman to that point.

[2:36:34] >> Just one second until she's done. Yeah.

[2:36:36] >> I I I I I I just think that um you know,

[2:36:39] a lot of people have come tonight. We

[2:36:41] can hear what they have to say. You

[2:36:43] know, right now with these people that

[2:36:44] have waited all night really and then

[2:36:47] but I you know and then notices going

[2:36:50] out to people too. I you know it's been

[2:36:53] said

[2:36:53] >> delay is not going to hurt anybody,

[2:36:55] >> right?

[2:36:56] >> Okay.

[2:36:56] >> Mr. Chairman, I think that's uh I had

[2:36:58] the same reaction. And I had a

[2:37:00] discussion with the town manager about

[2:37:02] the traffic advisory committee. I was

[2:37:04] surprised to learn that it was not that

[2:37:07] because of its of its design and nature

[2:37:09] because I had never been to one. Even in

[2:37:12] all my years, I hadn't had the

[2:37:13] opportunity to go to one or need to go

[2:37:15] to one. Didn't realize it was not

[2:37:16] subject to open meeting. Did not realize

[2:37:18] it was um not subject to uh uh neighbor

[2:37:22] notification or a butter notification.

[2:37:25] It would be because then we'd be open up

[2:37:27] a Pandora's box for other committees

[2:37:29] that are also not in that realm. Why

[2:37:33] didn't you tell me? Why don't you tell

[2:37:34] me? So, Mr. Bates alluded to it in his

[2:37:37] opening new business comments. I

[2:37:40] [laughter and clears throat] think we do

[2:37:40] need to do a restructure of that and I

[2:37:43] think in this case it should be

[2:37:46] discussed with the board about some of

[2:37:47] the recommendations and then I think

[2:37:50] there should be a workshop and you

[2:37:52] invite the neighbors to a workshop and

[2:37:54] get their feedback. There is some stuff

[2:37:55] here that I'll want to talk about later

[2:37:57] tonight that I think will have immediate

[2:38:00] impact and in discussion by some of the

[2:38:02] neighbors. But I have a lot of thoughts

[2:38:03] on on these changes and I I pass out

[2:38:07] maps that I was going to go through, but

[2:38:09] you know, and I don't want to make

[2:38:11] people feel that they didn't get their

[2:38:15] time. Um, but there's a lot of things in

[2:38:19] here that I see as inconsistent um, and

[2:38:21] would make recommendations. And I did I

[2:38:23] heard from one neighbor, why is why is

[2:38:25] there one piece of Alden Street that's

[2:38:27] three hours and it's the only three-hour

[2:38:29] zone in the entire town? He knew the

[2:38:31] history and it's such a history that he

[2:38:34] was not opposed to changing that. But we

[2:38:37] should hear that and if you're going to

[2:38:39] change something that's in someone front

[2:38:41] of someone's house, good, bad or

[2:38:43] indifferent, uh we should invite them to

[2:38:46] participate.

[2:38:47] >> Okay. So, I I'm I'm kind of hearing

[2:38:51] a sense of like the board is leaning

[2:38:54] toward

[2:38:56] um having

[2:38:58] u notifications go out to residents. But

[2:39:03] I want to remind us that I mean this is for us. This is not for DACA. So

[2:39:10] um I want to make sure that what we are

[2:39:14] saying is if we want to notify residents

[2:39:17] then we want them to come here and I

[2:39:20] will even be open to a site visit on

[2:39:23] some of these places cuz it's one thing

[2:39:26] to look at the map it's another thing to

[2:39:29] get on the ground and see what is

[2:39:32] actually happening like member bait was

[2:39:35] saying earlier if the boys open to that

[2:39:37] we can coordinate something like that.

[2:39:40] But what I'm suggesting is that would be

[2:39:42] a very large endeavor and I would

[2:39:43] recommend based on historic with big

[2:39:45] issues like this we could have a

[2:39:47] selectman organized workshop

[2:39:51] after I would like the opportunity my

[2:39:53] thought is I would like the opportunity

[2:39:54] to give my feedback to t DTAC what I

[2:39:57] heard what the neighbors have presented

[2:39:58] what they've offered as modifications

[2:40:00] changes whatever it is that I see is

[2:40:02] reasonable because this opened a

[2:40:05] Pandora's box I went through the entire

[2:40:06] thing and there are other changes that

[2:40:08] need to be made um more more updates

[2:40:11] that I would recommend as well. It is

[2:40:13] our document. It is the one but but we I

[2:40:16] also respect the fact that they have

[2:40:19] understanding and knowledge that I don't

[2:40:21] have. The police know when there's

[2:40:23] traffic safety issues or accident

[2:40:25] statistics. The other divisions know

[2:40:29] other reasons why these things go on.

[2:40:31] Just not my anecdotal observation. I

[2:40:33] don't live on Park Street. I don't see

[2:40:35] their day-to-day lives. So, it's hard

[2:40:37] for me.

[2:40:39] I have an idea of what should change and

[2:40:41] I may even recommend what should change,

[2:40:43] but I don't think that we shouldn't I

[2:40:46] agree with you. We should do it in a

[2:40:47] workshop, not in a necessarily a select

[2:40:49] board member meeting.

[2:40:50] >> Okay. Thank you. So, let me uh hear from

[2:40:53] some residents if they want to speak uh

[2:40:57] and then I can come back to the board.

[2:40:59] Um if you want to just go to the

[2:41:02] microphone and introduce yourself.

[2:41:05] Perfect. So, um, Alex Fish, I live at 37

[2:41:08] Park Street. I'm one of the residents.

[2:41:10] Um, so appreciate you tableabling

[2:41:13] discussion on Park Street. That's

[2:41:14] obviously our main concern here and I'm

[2:41:17] part of a contingent that is here

[2:41:19] concerned. This is the third time we've

[2:41:21] actually been in this room talking about

[2:41:22] this. We actually want to even take it

[2:41:25] one step further and and we want to

[2:41:26] address the safety concern specifically

[2:41:29] on Park Street between Alden and Barry.

[2:41:31] Um, I think our circumstance is getting

[2:41:35] kind of lumped in with the reszoning and

[2:41:38] we want to address or have you guys look

[2:41:40] at the safety concerns. Um, so this

[2:41:43] block is unique. You know, the width of

[2:41:45] the road um essentially has to cover

[2:41:47] three lanes of traffic. One being

[2:41:49] permanently parked cars now and then

[2:41:51] two-way traffic. Um, it's the school

[2:41:54] that everyone drives their kids to to

[2:41:55] the middle school. It's where kids walk.

[2:41:58] Um, and there's been zero, well,

[2:42:01] practically zero enforcement for years

[2:42:03] despite our complaints over years. And I

[2:42:06] think as Lieutenant Sullivan mentioned,

[2:42:07] that's part of the problem. We put a

[2:42:09] presentation together for for the for

[2:42:11] the board that we sent out last night

[2:42:12] and this morning. Um, so um, hope you

[2:42:15] got to see that. Uh it covers our safety

[2:42:18] concerns um across the board, especially

[2:42:21] for kids that are getting on the bus,

[2:42:24] all the parking that exists, the fact

[2:42:25] that people have to weave around cars

[2:42:27] onto the curbs. Um and we're really

[2:42:29] asking the town, I think what was

[2:42:31] mentioned, to do a safety review, and

[2:42:33] then seriously consider no like, you

[2:42:36] know, no parking lot at all on this side

[2:42:38] of Park Street. So, um looking for your

[2:42:40] help. I think the workshop is a is a

[2:42:42] great idea. We'd love to be a part of

[2:42:44] that and uh you know appreciate your

[2:42:45] time so I'll yield the floor to others.

[2:42:47] Thank you.

[2:42:49] >> Thank you. Uh yes

[2:43:00] » closer [clears throat]

[2:43:01] town meeting member precinct one. This

[2:43:04] is this study was done recently. Is is

[2:43:08] there a schedule for a study like this

[2:43:10] to be done periodically say every three

[2:43:13] or five years? Danas is a growing

[2:43:15] community. Resident residential areas

[2:43:19] change what's needed not needed for

[2:43:22] whatever the reason is a re review

[2:43:25] period periodic review period made to

[2:43:29] see if changes should go back to what

[2:43:32] they were or should even be moved ahead

[2:43:34] of where they are. Just a question.

[2:43:38] >> Okay. Thank you.

[2:43:39] >> Thank you.

[2:43:39] >> I mean, madame [clears throat] town

[2:43:40] manager, correct me if I don't think

[2:43:42] this was necessarily a study. I think

[2:43:44] this was

[2:43:45] >> a way to want to address some

[2:43:47] inconsistencies between some parking

[2:43:50] signs and what we have in the books. Is

[2:43:53] that correct?

[2:43:53] >> Correct. This was a combination of

[2:43:55] hearing from um they had heard from some

[2:43:57] residents also in the downtown area. So,

[2:44:00] they were addressing that the changes in

[2:44:02] uh the work we were doing downtown. So

[2:44:04] they were down there seeing it more. So

[2:44:06] it kind of all came together. But no, it

[2:44:08] was not a formal study and no, there is

[2:44:10] no formal request um at this time by the

[2:44:14] board for staff to review parking in any

[2:44:16] one area on a regular basis.

[2:44:20] >> Thank you. Any other public comments?

[2:44:32] Hello, my name is Ken Crowley. I live at

[2:44:34] 35 Park Street, the affected area. Um,

[2:44:37] so there has been very little

[2:44:40] enforcement. I asked for information

[2:44:43] about traffic tickets and I was the

[2:44:46] information I got said there have been

[2:44:47] two traffic tickets in the last 12

[2:44:50] months issued and one was appealed

[2:44:52] successfully. So really only one in a

[2:44:54] year.

[2:44:56] There could be you you I like the the thought of coming down to Park

[2:45:00] Street because it is parked very

[2:45:03] consistently and very busily. So I I'll

[2:45:07] have the fishes in front of their house

[2:45:09] every single day all day long. Cars

[2:45:12] parked. Believe me, it's a 1-hour

[2:45:14] parking zone. They are more than an hour, 2 hours, 3 hours,

[2:45:20] four hours, 5 hours. Sometimes not

[2:45:22] enforced. There's there's a restriction

[2:45:24] on the books for parking near

[2:45:26] intersection. People park right up to

[2:45:28] the intersection. It makes cars who come

[2:45:31] down from the cross street poke out

[2:45:33] about halfway into the street because

[2:45:35] they can't see. Um in my house um I live

[2:45:40] on um I live in a corner so the Berry

[2:45:45] Street provision affects me. I did not

[2:45:47] know about that being struck from the

[2:45:50] regulations until I read the agenda.

[2:45:52] this evening. So, it goes to the

[2:45:54] notification, which I like is a good

[2:45:55] idea because I I was not notified and I

[2:45:58] think I found out the hard way about the recommendation from DTAC to

[2:46:04] eliminate Park Street restrictions

[2:46:05] altogether. I think I I could have

[2:46:08] easily have missed that and could have

[2:46:10] gone to you and you said, "No

[2:46:11] objections. Let's pass it." And I would

[2:46:13] have been stuck with it. Um, the the

[2:46:15] last thing I would say is that people

[2:46:17] frequently park a foot or more over my

[2:46:20] end of my driveway. There's got to be a regulation on that. I don't, as far as

[2:46:25] I know, nobody's ever gotten a ticket.

[2:46:27] And I have plenty of pictures to prove

[2:46:29] that people have done so. A foot, 2

[2:46:32] feet, 3 feet. One time during a

[2:46:34] snowstorm, and granted it wasn't a a bad

[2:46:37] snowstorm. Two days somebody was right

[2:46:39] in the middle of my driveway. So, even

[2:46:41] if I cleared the driveway, I couldn't

[2:46:43] get out. And the last thing I'll say is

[2:46:46] that, you know, the street sweeper has

[2:46:47] an easy job on Park Street. It can't get

[2:46:49] to the curb. The the snow plow has an

[2:46:53] easier job on Park Street. It can't get

[2:46:55] to the curb. And when it does, it goes

[2:46:58] around cars as it would. It's not going

[2:46:59] to plow the car and it leaves a swale at

[2:47:02] the end of my driveway. So, that's more

[2:47:04] snow I have to shovel to get out of my

[2:47:06] own driveway. So there's seems to be an

[2:47:08] incentive um for to reward people who

[2:47:12] have insufficient parking or don't have

[2:47:14] any parking like the apartment building

[2:47:16] across from me as opposed to people who

[2:47:19] live in the neighborhood because if you

[2:47:21] live there and you can't park in front

[2:47:23] of your own house or or beside it, it's

[2:47:25] kind of an issue to me anyway. So thank

[2:47:28] you for your time.

[2:47:30] >> Thank you. Um

[2:47:33] any other questions, comments? All

[2:47:36] right.

[2:47:40] » All right. Good evening, select board.

[2:47:42] Um, my name is Mary and I live on Park

[2:47:44] Street. Surprise, surprise. Or I

[2:47:46] actually motion, I don't know if I'm

[2:47:47] allowed to do this, and rename it Park

[2:47:49] Street because they never move. I'm here

[2:47:52] as a mother of two school-aged children

[2:47:54] and a neighbor to ask for help. In fact,

[2:47:57] all of the abuing neighbors on Park

[2:47:59] Street between Alden and Barry are here

[2:48:01] and aligned on the same safety concern.

[2:48:04] We collectively total more than 130

[2:48:07] years of Danverse living across only

[2:48:10] four homes and I rounded down for

[2:48:12] people's age.

[2:48:15] We already live with the recommendation

[2:48:17] you're considering. The parking

[2:48:19] restrictions on this stretch stretch of

[2:48:21] Park Street between Alden and Barry have

[2:48:23] effectively been gone and uninforced for

[2:48:25] years. That decision was made without

[2:48:28] your vote or a conversation and we've

[2:48:30] been living the consequences ever since

[2:48:32] and that is not up for debate. In the

[2:48:34] last year, minus snowb, two tickets have

[2:48:37] been written. As Ken said, two. That's

[2:48:40] less than the number of accidents on the

[2:48:42] street and less than the number of

[2:48:43] vandalism reports, as Lieutenant

[2:48:45] Sullivan mentioned. So, this isn't

[2:48:47] hypothetical. We know what happens, and

[2:48:49] we're living it. Cars park right up to

[2:48:52] the corners, blocking visibility. You

[2:48:53] guys have more pictures than you can

[2:48:55] deal with right now. They park up to 4

[2:48:57] feet from the curb. Okay, that's also a

[2:49:00] serious number. and that was witnessed

[2:49:02] by one of the select board members. They

[2:49:05] park across the mouths of driveways so

[2:49:07] that they have to edge out blindly into

[2:49:08] the street. The pages of pictures prove

[2:49:11] this and there are certainly more that

[2:49:13] we can share and plenty of videos.

[2:49:15] [clears throat] Vehicles swerve to pass

[2:49:17] each other since they can't pass a line

[2:49:18] of parked cars and buses and large

[2:49:21] vehicles cause traffic to stop on either

[2:49:23] side. If the transcript from the DTAC

[2:49:26] meeting was available, you could hear

[2:49:27] the comment and acknowledgement from

[2:49:29] members that everyone knows this part of

[2:49:32] Park Street is quote unquote a disa

[2:49:34] disaster or quote unquote a mess and

[2:49:36] that the suggestion is that it doesn't

[2:49:38] sound like there should be parking at

[2:49:39] all. Put the signage aside. None of the

[2:49:42] other violations have been enforced in

[2:49:44] more than a year and we don't believe

[2:49:46] any level of enforcement would be

[2:49:48] meaningful at this point. This is a

[2:49:50] unique area and as you know needs unique

[2:49:53] consideration and they have not been

[2:49:55] fully considered. As you heard this was

[2:49:56] not a study. These considerations need

[2:49:59] to be the school, the park, the density,

[2:50:02] the street side, the speed, the

[2:50:04] cutthrough of the downtown and the

[2:50:06] vandalism all without a traffic study

[2:50:08] that we have asked for.

[2:50:11] The town clears the sidewalks in front

[2:50:13] of our homes for snow so that kids can

[2:50:14] attempt to walk to school safely. We are

[2:50:17] asking you to extend the same safety to

[2:50:19] the street. Streets that are full of

[2:50:21] bikes, parked cars, and speeding

[2:50:22] traffic. Please choose people's public

[2:50:25] safety over people's convenient parking.

[2:50:27] Berry Street, if this proceeds forward,

[2:50:29] is now available. A public lot is so

[2:50:32] close by, less than 100 ft, and the

[2:50:34] tenants have their own parking, they

[2:50:35] choose to daily violate the law because

[2:50:37] it's been allowed systemically. Please

[2:50:40] remove parking or heavily restrict

[2:50:42] during school hours and overnight. You

[2:50:43] got it.

[2:50:48] Thank you. Um any Sure.

[2:50:59] » Hi Wally Typbert 16 Alden Street. Um so

[2:51:02] thank you mayor. You covered most of the

[2:51:03] big points but our

[2:51:07] neighborhood has kind of ebbed and

[2:51:09] flowed with the I'm going to use the

[2:51:12] density word of downtown. And I know

[2:51:13] that's kind of where we're going um with

[2:51:18] changing all our parking restrictions

[2:51:20] and and their public streets. We love

[2:51:21] having everybody in. Um but not just our

[2:51:25] neighborhood, which is literally riddled

[2:51:27] with traffic. As soon as 128 backs up,

[2:51:29] everybody bails and everybody's been in our neighborhood.

[2:51:33] Um, but School Street, the other end of

[2:51:36] School Street, uh, if we allow parking

[2:51:38] there all the time, you can't get two

[2:51:40] cars up and down that street on a good

[2:51:42] day. So, if cars are parked for 72

[2:51:45] hours, which is the max, um, you you're

[2:51:48] never going to get up and down there.

[2:51:50] And if the hardware store project goes

[2:51:52] in and the density picks up there, that

[2:51:54] neighborhood will will be just like

[2:51:57] ours. I mean, it's a problem all around

[2:51:59] town. It's not just here. It just

[2:52:00] happens to be more of a safety issue

[2:52:02] right now in our neighborhood. If we

[2:52:05] lift the parking bans on the adjacent

[2:52:08] streets on Barry, on Alden, uh the ones

[2:52:11] over on Chase, then the problems that

[2:52:13] are on Park Street right now are just

[2:52:15] going to go to the adjacent streets.

[2:52:17] So really, it's got to be more of an

[2:52:19] effort to control our entire density of

[2:52:23] downtown as as we progress to build out

[2:52:25] more and more than it is, you know, try

[2:52:29] to solve this problem for today, which I

[2:52:31] understand that's what the DTAC was

[2:52:33] trying to do, but it's kind of has to go

[2:52:36] a little farther than that. You know, I appreciate everybody putting together

[2:52:42] a a select board meeting so that the all

[2:52:44] the rest of the residents, I mean, if we

[2:52:47] had not had the vandalism issue that

[2:52:49] came right now, all of this would have

[2:52:52] passed. DTAC already had it in motion.

[2:52:55] Um,

[2:52:57] it was already coming to you tonight

[2:52:58] whether we had this issue or not. And

[2:53:00] you would have voted on it not knowing

[2:53:02] that this happened.

[2:53:05] and we we wouldn't have had the

[2:53:07] opportunity to come here and tell you

[2:53:08] this is our density problem. This is our

[2:53:09] neighborhood problem, our school

[2:53:11] problem. Um I'm fortunate enough to

[2:53:14] watch our neighborhood roll for the

[2:53:16] third time in my life back to multiple

[2:53:18] families uh with small children, which

[2:53:21] in my neighborhood I love to see that.

[2:53:23] So they're all out in the yards, you

[2:53:24] know, they're they're coming in and out

[2:53:26] in the cars backing onto the streets

[2:53:27] that were literally

[2:53:30] I hate to say speeding, but heavily

[2:53:32] trafficked through, you know. So, so the

[2:53:34] density in our neighborhood, I guess

[2:53:36] what I'm saying, uh, is already

[2:53:38] existent. Um, but but it's our

[2:53:41] neighborhood, you know, and and I'm

[2:53:42] going to be selfish here for a minute

[2:53:43] and say I don't need the density any any

[2:53:46] higher, you know. I I need downtown to

[2:53:48] succeed. We all need that to happen. Um,

[2:53:51] but not at the cost of our neighborhood.

[2:53:53] And that's where it feels like we're

[2:53:55] going. You know, we don't have a choice.

[2:53:57] It's going to bleed out. We can control

[2:53:59] it or we cannot control it. eliminating

[2:54:00] all of the time parking uh will not help

[2:54:04] control it.

[2:54:05] >> Thank you.

[2:54:09] >> Any other comments?

[2:54:19] I'm Cindy Nelson. I live at 12 Berry

[2:54:22] Street, the corner of Park and Berry.

[2:54:24] Lived there couple months short of 30

[2:54:27] years. I've seen it all.

[2:54:31] I'll start by saying I would love to be

[2:54:33] able to play kickball,

[2:54:36] which I could do 30 years ago when I

[2:54:39] moved in. Now I have to look both ways

[2:54:42] before I cross my street to go to Mary's

[2:54:46] house. And that's not even Park Street,

[2:54:50] Side Street. I just want to get our

[2:54:53] safety back.

[2:54:55] I want that feeling

[2:54:58] of being safe.

[2:55:01] It doesn't feel the same.

[2:55:04] Attitudes have changed.

[2:55:07] People are entitled

[2:55:10] and we're not safe.

[2:55:13] I want my safety back. I want Mary's

[2:55:16] children be safe. I

[2:55:19] want a nice world. Thank you.

[2:55:27] [clears throat] Um, any other person

[2:55:32] hear? None. Okay. So, uh, going back to

[2:55:34] the board, uh, member twice, comments,

[2:55:38] questions?

[2:55:39] >> Sure.

[2:55:40] >> Um, I think that I I think that sending

[2:55:42] this back for more work is per is is a

[2:55:45] sound decision, but I I also have

[2:55:46] another concern.

[2:55:49] The solution

[2:55:53] was it was a confluence of several

[2:55:56] things. Safety concerns that people were

[2:55:58] bringing up. At the same time, people

[2:56:00] were talking about the enforcement

[2:56:02] issues. At the same time, people were

[2:56:03] talking about uh the economic changes

[2:56:06] and the changes in that may necessitate

[2:56:09] consistency in the in the parking. Um, I

[2:56:12] want to remind people that it's just not

[2:56:14] the economy of downtown or or the the structure of downtown businesses,

[2:56:18] which I would argue would demand tighter

[2:56:22] hours. I'm glad that the street, you

[2:56:24] know, Elm, uh, Maple, uh, High Street or

[2:56:27] one hours and some some of the

[2:56:28] surrounding communities because those

[2:56:30] businesses are service commodity

[2:56:32] businesses. They want turnover. They

[2:56:33] want people in, they want people out.

[2:56:35] Coffee shops expecting some, they want

[2:56:37] the turnover. They want people to be

[2:56:38] parked. We all hear there's not enough

[2:56:40] parking downtown. So 1 hour I you might

[2:56:44] even shorten it. I don't know. But

[2:56:46] that's one thing. The enforcement um is

[2:56:50] an issue too is the the consistency of

[2:56:52] enforcement is important. Um I I spent a

[2:56:55] lot of time with the neighbors in that

[2:56:56] neighborhood. They they they referred to

[2:56:57] me when they said I saw certain things

[2:56:59] and I did. I witnessed them myself. cars

[2:57:01] parked 15 20 inches away from the curb

[2:57:05] which then created a condition where car

[2:57:08] you couldn't have two-way traffic

[2:57:09] anymore uh if someone had to stop. I saw

[2:57:12] safety concerns and I want to talk about

[2:57:14] that in a second but we need to have the

[2:57:16] consistency and enforcement because when

[2:57:18] we don't as has happened it becomes a

[2:57:22] neighbor versus neighbor issue not a

[2:57:24] neighbor versus the town's parking

[2:57:27] rules. Um, it was unfortunate things

[2:57:30] have happened that pitted neighbor

[2:57:32] against neighbor and it shouldn't have.

[2:57:34] Um, but I'd like to speak to the to to

[2:57:36] the safety issue. That's a cut through.

[2:57:38] I cut through there all the time. If I

[2:57:41] have to get from Locust Street to High

[2:57:43] Street, I am going to go down by St.

[2:57:45] Mary's, cut straight across and then up

[2:57:48] Park because I'm going to avoid a couple

[2:57:50] of light cycles. Um, and I just know

[2:57:52] it'll back up. And I know that I do it

[2:57:54] responsibly, but I can't guarantee

[2:57:56] everybody does. It's a very uh very

[2:57:58] welltraveled by people other than the

[2:58:01] residents or the schools. Um

[2:58:04] we also have an issue. I love the way we

[2:58:07] redid the curbs, by the way. I love how

[2:58:10] we did the curb bumpouts. I love that it

[2:58:12] minimizes the amount of crossing time. I

[2:58:13] love the fact that we're getting all the

[2:58:14] paving done. Kudos to all the people who

[2:58:17] are involved in that. I think it's

[2:58:19] fantastic. But it does generate some new

[2:58:22] situations.

[2:58:23] For example, if you're coming out of

[2:58:26] Park Street onto High Street,

[2:58:29] I can guarantee you if you're waiting at

[2:58:31] that stop light, if you're waiting to

[2:58:33] progress, a fire truck could not make

[2:58:35] that corner to go onto Park Street at

[2:58:37] this point because they have to go

[2:58:39] further out to make that swing. Um, I'm

[2:58:42] going to suggest, yes, as you suggested

[2:58:45] also, this be turned back, but as we are

[2:58:48] traffic enforcement, I'm going to

[2:58:49] suggest I'm going to make a motion at

[2:58:52] the appropriate time that we as the

[2:58:55] traffic board can make and I think it's

[2:58:57] fine under even though because we said

[2:59:00] we were going to talk about traffic

[2:59:01] tonight, I'm going to move that we

[2:59:04] create a no parking zone from High

[2:59:06] Street to Berry Street, which will

[2:59:09] eliminate, I think, four or five parking

[2:59:11] spots. thoughts until a time that we can

[2:59:13] do a study because I would actually ask

[2:59:15] Lieutenant Sullivan who has sat and

[2:59:18] witnessed his impression of safety on

[2:59:20] that on that section of street. I think

[2:59:23] we need to error in the side of caution

[2:59:26] create new parking until we determine it

[2:59:28] if we determine it's safe and then put

[2:59:30] it back and do the appropriate

[2:59:32] enforcement and where we put it back.

[2:59:34] But I think setting the all the changes

[2:59:37] aside and I have many comments about

[2:59:38] those. I would motion that we as the

[2:59:41] traffic advisory committee, as the

[2:59:43] traffic enforcement or whatever our

[2:59:45] title is in this case, as the body that

[2:59:48] decides this, I would make a motion that

[2:59:51] we have a no parking zone on both sides

[2:59:53] of the street from High Street to Berry

[2:59:57] Street to the head of Berry Street.

[2:59:59] >> Okay. [clears throat] So it's it's

[3:00:02] I think we if my understanding was was

[3:00:05] that we needed to inform the residents

[3:00:10] and kind of have the workshop or talk

[3:00:12] about it.

[3:00:13] >> The all the residents that will be

[3:00:15] affected are in this room. Yeah,

[3:00:18] >> they were actually physically in this

[3:00:19] room and I have talked to all of them

[3:00:20] and they have say they have supportive I

[3:00:22] asked them they there were several

[3:00:24] options that we were that they were

[3:00:26] going to propose or I was going to

[3:00:28] propose on their behalf. This is one of

[3:00:30] them and they're all supportive of

[3:00:33] losing those four or five parking spots

[3:00:35] for the sake of safety. The issue is in

[3:00:38] front of the Fisher's house there are

[3:00:40] cars that park there all day long.

[3:00:42] That's the same side of the street that

[3:00:43] the school bus parks picks up their

[3:00:45] child going to the middle school. So,

[3:00:48] they have to walk between park cars in a

[3:00:50] in an unsafe condition to get them on

[3:00:52] the bus. So, just error on the side of

[3:00:55] safety right now. Look at it and decide

[3:00:57] if there's a safe way to have parking on

[3:01:00] one side or the other. Uh, I think we've

[3:01:03] added to the concerns by by the

[3:01:06] excellent road work we did, but I I

[3:01:09] think I I it to me they've demonstrated

[3:01:11] a clear safety issue and I would

[3:01:13] actually ask through you if Lieutenant

[3:01:16] Sulliv can can comment about the safety

[3:01:18] issues he's seen in that area.

[3:01:20] >> Okay. So, um, yeah, Lieutenant Go. I

[3:01:24] mean because my initial thought is

[3:01:29] eliminating parking without informing

[3:01:33] the I mean I understand some of the

[3:01:35] residents are here but

[3:01:38] there also other people within the town

[3:01:41] who

[3:01:43] may want to have a say. Uh but what say

[3:01:47] you uh I [clears throat] had the

[3:01:49] opportunity after our first meeting um I

[3:01:51] met with Mrs. fish after our two I think

[3:01:54] we were here for two hours and we got to

[3:01:56] sit on Park Street and watch what was

[3:01:58] going on. I happened to be in an

[3:01:59] unmarked cruiser. Um I was unfamiliar

[3:02:02] with some of the cars who were in in

[3:02:04] their neighborhood. Um and just while I

[3:02:06] was sitting there, you could see when

[3:02:08] the person discovers that it's a

[3:02:10] cruiser. Um they were about to go

[3:02:12] through the the stop sign. Um they they

[3:02:14] saw me. Um some people when they saw a

[3:02:16] cruiser, they started coming out to move

[3:02:18] their cars uh because they thought they

[3:02:20] were going to be tagged. Um, while we

[3:02:22] were there, there were uh lots of kids,

[3:02:25] as we know on bikes, we oddly enough did

[3:02:27] see a one child on a skateboard and not

[3:02:29] with the motor. He actually had to push

[3:02:31] himself.

[3:02:32] >> Uh, I didn't know they still made those.

[3:02:34] Um, but just the um, you know, but

[3:02:36] people are commenting on the use of the

[3:02:38] school. I do think a lot of

[3:02:40] my paragraph here was specific to a one or two hour parking regulation

[3:02:46] there. Um, I do think DTAC, the police

[3:02:49] department, and the select board could

[3:02:50] take a look at the entire Backbay

[3:02:52] neighborhood and see what could be done,

[3:02:54] what's happening, and what can be done

[3:02:56] to improve the safety for everyone using

[3:02:57] it. Um, I do think the the the most of

[3:03:02] the parking and traffic regulations we

[3:03:03] have now were from when the middle

[3:03:04] school wasn't the middle school. It was

[3:03:07] an alternative high school. Um, that was

[3:03:10] it was a much smaller school. So, now we

[3:03:13] have a fully functioning middle school

[3:03:15] there. once again. Um, and I don't think

[3:03:18] any of the regulations have changed

[3:03:19] other than the 25 mph thickly settled

[3:03:22] district. I think is the only change we

[3:03:24] made in the area. But I do think there's

[3:03:26] an opportunity going forward to talk to

[3:03:28] so we have a traffic engineer that works

[3:03:30] part of uh the the committee um

[3:03:33] engineering DPW police select board

[3:03:36] community members and see how we can

[3:03:38] make the the neighborhood safe which I

[3:03:41] think would be a longer term

[3:03:42] conversation aside from but also

[3:03:46] including parking regulations as to

[3:03:48] what's happening there and there there

[3:03:49] are lots of things you can do through uh through engineering projects

[3:03:53] uh as as You see, if I put a cruiser

[3:03:56] there, um they see me, they may or may

[3:03:58] not stop. Um I I shared with the um the

[3:04:03] residents, so some of the um some of the

[3:04:05] parents that pick up their students from

[3:04:07] the middle school. Um one mom was honest

[3:04:09] with me last year. She said, "I know how

[3:04:11] it works. Uh you come down for a couple

[3:04:14] of days and you move us along and then

[3:04:16] you come down a few more days later and

[3:04:18] we're still here, so you start writing

[3:04:19] tickets, but we know you're not going to

[3:04:21] keep coming. uh you can't come here

[3:04:23] every day. So, we just wait till you go

[3:04:24] away and we'll come back and we'll park

[3:04:26] here to pick up our kids. So, that's

[3:04:27] kind of what we're combating with the

[3:04:29] enforcement. We can't be everywhere at

[3:04:31] the same at the same time. So, some of

[3:04:32] these issues like speed, intersection

[3:04:34] crossings can be addressed through like

[3:04:36] engineering type projects.

[3:04:38] >> Okay. Thank you. Let me get a sense from

[3:04:41] other board member. Member Bennett.

[3:04:44] Well, I think we all agree we want to

[3:04:46] have a workshop to hear from the area so

[3:04:50] that everybody in the area of Backbay

[3:04:54] feels safe.

[3:04:57] What you're looking for Berry Street is

[3:05:00] looking for um immediate

[3:05:03] uh relief. Um I was not aware what was

[3:05:07] going on. I got an email today from Mr.

[3:05:10] Fish. I told him I'd walk the

[3:05:13] neighborhood. I did. I saw four cars

[3:05:16] parked on the street at 11:00.

[3:05:20] Obviously, school wasn't getting out. It

[3:05:23] I'm not sure that those four cars are

[3:05:25] the um repeat offenders. I don't go down

[3:05:30] there every day, but the road look

[3:05:32] clear. There's no parking one side. It's

[3:05:34] posted for the time limit on the other

[3:05:36] side. So, I mean, I really I I don't

[3:05:40] know. what we can do immediately

[3:05:43] tonight. Now, Garden has been more

[3:05:45] involved. Um, yes, cars have a habit of

[3:05:48] parking. Uh, not close enough to the

[3:05:51] curb. Uh, Page Street when they do that,

[3:05:54] we have less than 12 feet to get

[3:05:57] through. I don't know how much feet a

[3:06:00] fire truck needs, but I see trucks go

[3:06:03] very slowly to getting down there. And

[3:06:05] anybody that parks on Page Street

[3:06:07] doesn't pull their mirror in is asking

[3:06:09] for a problem. But that's a different

[3:06:11] story. Um, we need to do something. I'm

[3:06:15] not sure that a quick no parking is

[3:06:19] proper or not at this point.

[3:06:23] >> Member Bernard.

[3:06:24] >> Yeah. Um, with everybody too, I think,

[3:06:27] um, safety is number one. Um, that area

[3:06:31] is congested.

[3:06:33] Um, to hear what you said, Lieutenant

[3:06:35] Sullivan, thank you. that the parents

[3:06:37] have it figured out. You know, maybe we

[3:06:40] need to change it up and showing them we

[3:06:42] got to start ticketing them more and

[3:06:43] more to get them to stop. Um, you know,

[3:06:46] you've got sports, right? I mean, tons

[3:06:49] of kids. I mean, I bring my grandkids

[3:06:50] there. You know what I'm saying? Um, I'm

[3:06:53] concerned for the for the safety of the

[3:06:55] children and the neighbors. Um, I think

[3:06:58] a traffic study needs to be done, you

[3:07:00] know, in certain areas, high density

[3:07:02] area areas. Um I appreciate all the

[3:07:05] work, but I like what Gardner said

[3:07:07] about, you know, um the enforcement

[3:07:09] issues and uh the workshop, you know, um

[3:07:13] so the residents so we can hear it from

[3:07:15] everybody. And you know, like we talked

[3:07:17] about neighbors being

[3:07:19] um

[3:07:21] let let the neighbors know that. Get it

[3:07:23] out there so they do know to show up and

[3:07:26] show their concern so we can hear it. I

[3:07:28] don't I don't want to make any decisions

[3:07:30] tonight either. I'd like to table it and

[3:07:33] go along with my board members and uh

[3:07:38] get this safe for everything because

[3:07:39] I've driven down there. It is I'm with

[3:07:41] Gardner too. I'll cut through sometimes

[3:07:43] too and uh I'm very concerned you know

[3:07:46] we don't want anything bad to happen. So

[3:07:48] let's let's get ahead of it.

[3:07:51] >> Thank you.

[3:07:51] member Bean. And which I

[3:07:53] believe is also you're on the DTAG,

[3:07:55] right?

[3:07:56] >> Yes.

[3:07:56] >> Okay.

[3:07:57] >> Thank you very much. I appreciate you

[3:07:59] giving me this time. I'm kind of

[3:08:00] bursting at the seams here and I hate to

[3:08:02] be uh negative Nelly but um it comes

[3:08:06] back to the same thing I say at all the

[3:08:08] meetings which is uh work ethic and we

[3:08:11] have to get the people that are supposed

[3:08:13] to do their job getting out there doing

[3:08:14] it. I think that as selectable we should

[3:08:16] ask the police department to quadruple

[3:08:19] their traffic stop numbers. That's

[3:08:21] asking you to repeat the era that I

[3:08:24] worked there and nobody was breaking a

[3:08:26] sweat back then. And I don't want to

[3:08:29] talk like this, but

[3:08:32] uh enforcement has been said by four or

[3:08:34] five of the people that live on the

[3:08:36] street. And the traffic problem is

[3:08:38] everywhere. It's not just your street.

[3:08:40] It's everywhere. People don't know how

[3:08:42] to drive today. Kids don't know anything

[3:08:44] about what they're doing. Uh not that a

[3:08:47] lot. Well, I shouldn't just say kids,

[3:08:49] but you know, it's the traffic is awful.

[3:08:51] But the enforcement

[3:08:54] is the punishment for your poor driving

[3:08:57] behavior. And I don't think you guys

[3:09:00] have any more calls for service than

[3:09:02] when the era that I worked there. I

[3:09:03] think you have what 25 30,000 calls for

[3:09:06] service.

[3:09:06] >> Um, member Bean, I

[3:09:08] >> am Am I going off track?

[3:09:09] >> A little bit. So if you want to just

[3:09:11] stay

[3:09:11] >> I'm just saying that I think that

[3:09:13] >> the

[3:09:14] >> we need to ask them to do more

[3:09:17] enforcement to it does matter more

[3:09:21] tickets will stop this stuff from happen

[3:09:24] happening. That's just simple math. It

[3:09:27] will happen. There'll be less people

[3:09:29] speeding down the street. Random traffic

[3:09:32] situations. Mix it up. Don't make it,

[3:09:35] you know, common. But I don't want to

[3:09:36] tell you what to do. I'm just saying

[3:09:40] I think it can be dealt with and then

[3:09:42] all these other things and engineering

[3:09:44] and all that as well. But none of these

[3:09:46] rules mean anything without enforcement.

[3:09:48] So we can just it's just a waste of

[3:09:51] time.

[3:09:52] >> And I agree uh with Mr. Bean, but I do

[3:09:55] want to point out that one of one of the

[3:09:57] legs of this three-legged stool is

[3:09:59] parking enforcement. It's not just

[3:10:02] traffic enforcement. It's just speeding.

[3:10:04] It's the consistency of traffic

[3:10:05] enforcement. Because I can tell you in

[3:10:07] front of the Fisher's house, they have

[3:10:09] neighbors across the street in an

[3:10:10] apartment complex that consistently use

[3:10:12] those as their private parking spots.

[3:10:14] Even though they have other spots in

[3:10:16] their apartment complex, they find it

[3:10:18] easier to park across the street, see

[3:10:20] their car from their apartment, stay

[3:10:22] there all day or days. And I think that

[3:10:25] what we need to do is without changing

[3:10:28] anything I think we as a board should

[3:10:31] ask for more consistent enforcement even

[3:10:34] if it's a spotlight enforcement in that

[3:10:36] area just to alleviate that issue.

[3:10:38] That's one of the one of the conditions

[3:10:40] that are adding to this whole mix. So if you aren't gonna buy into the motion

[3:10:46] that we should have a safety zone um you

[3:10:48] know from High Street to the head of of

[3:10:52] Berry um and want to leave it the way it

[3:10:55] is, leave it the way it is, but make

[3:10:58] sure the enforcement they'll get the

[3:11:00] message. They'll they see that they see

[3:11:02] the patrol car. They see after 2 or 3

[3:11:04] days of of the uh parking enforcement

[3:11:07] person going down and ticketing them,

[3:11:08] they'll see that. And then it's then

[3:11:11] that those neighbors issues are with the

[3:11:14] town, not with the other surrounding

[3:11:16] neighbors. So I would minimally ask that

[3:11:19] we ask for heightened enforcement in in

[3:11:22] that area of Backbay.

[3:11:24] >> Okay. Thank you. So I I it seems to we

[3:11:28] seem to be building a consensus that

[3:11:31] we're going to table this issue.

[3:11:34] Uh but um recommend to the town manager

[3:11:39] to kind of see how we can increase

[3:11:42] enforcement activities in that area.

[3:11:46] >> Um

[3:11:47] >> if I may, Mr. Chairman, a just a couple

[3:11:49] of things. Um I appreciate everybody's

[3:11:51] comments and feedback tonight. Um a

[3:11:54] couple things that we can talk through

[3:11:55] for clarity either in um myself in the

[3:11:59] chair or you guys can talk through here

[3:12:01] understand table this um I'm hearing

[3:12:05] workshop a larger workshop on um on

[3:12:09] parking and traffic I agree that that

[3:12:11] you are the board who so our our team

[3:12:13] has spent several hours um and the

[3:12:16] fishes have been um participating in

[3:12:18] that talking about it so I think it's

[3:12:19] important that if the board hear it

[3:12:21] directly so I also recommend the

[3:12:24] workshop type um situation. Um so I I

[3:12:28] don't know if you guys want to talk that

[3:12:29] through or what that looks like now um

[3:12:33] or maybe later. I should probably put in

[3:12:34] perspective what your schedule looks

[3:12:36] like over the next um several months

[3:12:39] leading into special town meeting. Um

[3:12:41] the notification piece I'll need clarity

[3:12:43] on that as well too. notification, like

[3:12:46] I said at the start, is um is governed

[3:12:49] by Mass General law and when it comes to

[3:12:51] traffic changes, we're required to post

[3:12:53] it in a public newspaper after the

[3:12:55] decision is made, not my law. So, I'm

[3:12:58] not saying I support that, but that is

[3:12:59] what we are held accountable to. So, if

[3:13:02] the board wants something different than

[3:13:03] that, we need to better understand what

[3:13:05] that means. Um, I would recommend when

[3:13:07] you're talking about

[3:13:09] um a a notification this large, and I

[3:13:13] don't know if you guys have done this

[3:13:14] with some of your zoning, um, it's it's

[3:13:17] best to do a general notification um,

[3:13:19] because it's cost prohibitive and time

[3:13:20] prohibited to do every single resident

[3:13:22] and where do you cut off from, right?

[3:13:24] Like you might live on this street. Does

[3:13:26] the person in the back with their back

[3:13:28] to you also get it or not? So, it

[3:13:30] becomes complicated when you're covering

[3:13:31] a large space. So, we'll need clarity on

[3:13:34] that. Um, parking enforcement, uh, I

[3:13:39] agree, difficult to do. I've had

[3:13:41] concerns about parking enforcement since

[3:13:42] I started just because of the way we

[3:13:44] have it set up. We have one part-time

[3:13:47] parking enforcement officer. Um, there

[3:13:50] is no way the fishes are here in front

[3:13:52] of you and this neighborhood in front of

[3:13:53] you here today. But if the police

[3:13:56] brought in a log of all the parking

[3:13:57] enforcement calls they get and or we do

[3:13:59] at town hall, you would see that there's

[3:14:01] no way that one person, one part-time

[3:14:03] person can spotlight any one area. Um,

[3:14:06] so I think we need to clarify that. And

[3:14:09] I should uh also let you know that we've

[3:14:10] started already talking with the clerk

[3:14:12] and the chief on overhauling and looking

[3:14:15] at our parking enforcement in general.

[3:14:18] Um, I don't think we're set up for

[3:14:19] success in Danvers in parking

[3:14:21] enforcement. the um across the board. Um

[3:14:25] so I think there's a like I think if

[3:14:27] we're going to do this have that larger

[3:14:29] conversation, all of those pieces should

[3:14:31] be a part of it and there's some clarity

[3:14:32] that we will need going forward. Um, I

[3:14:36] will say also in order, and I believe

[3:14:39] Madame Clerk can clarify this and or

[3:14:41] Lieutenant Sullivan, if you want

[3:14:44] additional enforcement um on Park Street

[3:14:48] immediately, there is a correction that

[3:14:50] needs to be made in the book. If I

[3:14:52] understand this right, the signage in

[3:14:54] the book do not correspond. So, in order

[3:14:59] to So, if that's a result you guys want

[3:15:02] tonight, um there's something that we

[3:15:04] there is something that has to at least

[3:15:06] be clarified cuz I I think it's a side I

[3:15:08] think it's a I'm going to leave it to

[3:15:10] Lieutenant Sullivan and the clerk cuz

[3:15:13] they're the ones who are in the details

[3:15:14] of this. But if so, and I to get to the

[3:15:18] tickets only tickets have been written,

[3:15:19] but then they're appealed. They're

[3:15:21] appealed if there's an inconsistency

[3:15:22] between the signage and the what's in

[3:15:25] the traffic rules and ordinance. If

[3:15:27] there's if we are if it's and it's on

[3:15:29] the town, right? If we're not

[3:15:30] consistent, then we can't uphold if

[3:15:33] they'll they can appeal to take it

[3:15:34] beyond the clerk and then it'll just get

[3:15:36] thrown out, which is then the clerk has

[3:15:38] to go to cler court and this and that.

[3:15:39] So, if you want immediate

[3:15:42] um

[3:15:44] uh enforcement that will stick, I do

[3:15:47] believe there's a change that needs to

[3:15:48] be made tonight, which I don't think is

[3:15:50] what you're looking for in the big

[3:15:51] picture of changes, but I think it's justice even to enforce the 1 hour

[3:15:56] is what I'm getting at. even to enforce

[3:15:57] the 1 hour. I think there needs to be a

[3:15:59] change. But let's let Lieutenant

[3:16:00] Sullivan talk.

[3:16:01] >> So before Lieutenant Sullivan uh speaks,

[3:16:03] Madame Clerk, uh any idea about what

[3:16:06] those inconsistencies are about?

[3:16:08] >> Uh I believe on page uh 27 of the book.

[3:16:13] >> Mhm.

[3:16:14] >> Um the book indicates that it's the

[3:16:16] southside, not the north side, or the

[3:16:18] north side, not the south side. And then

[3:16:20] there's a a wording of 107 ft from High

[3:16:23] Street. That's confusing because if you

[3:16:26] depending on how you read it, it would

[3:16:28] appear that there's no parking from High

[3:16:32] Street to

[3:16:34] um that was that Alden. What street is

[3:16:37] that? The first one.

[3:16:40] >> Alden.

[3:16:41] >> So that it's confusing. So the the

[3:16:44] correction or the expected correction

[3:16:46] would have been to correct the direction

[3:16:50] and then 107 ft would be um struck from

[3:16:53] that side

[3:16:54] >> that would make the book consistent with

[3:16:57] what's on the ground and then I think

[3:16:58] there is some other signage Lieutenant

[3:17:01] Sullivan that may need to happen to to

[3:17:03] clarify that area as well.

[3:17:05] >> Correct. So the f the first block is um

[3:17:09] at least last time I drove down it was

[3:17:10] correctly signed. the second block which

[3:17:12] is Alden Terry has one random sign in

[3:17:15] the middle of the block. So that signage

[3:17:17] issue is easily fixable with one sign.

[3:17:20] [music]

[3:17:21] Um the the the regulation does say

[3:17:24] though Park Street 107 ft from High to

[3:17:27] Berry is 1 hour. That indicates 1 hour

[3:17:31] around the clock. Um except for Sundays

[3:17:34] and holidays. That's the language you

[3:17:35] were looking to add. Um 8:00 a.m. till

[3:17:38] 6:00 p.m. would apply to this table. So,

[3:17:41] all of these streets would be the 8:00

[3:17:43] a.m. till 6:00 p.m. for whatever these

[3:17:46] hours say. Um, so then we would need to

[3:17:48] whatever the board decides, we would

[3:17:51] then need to make sure that that one

[3:17:53] sign gets replaced, but also what's on

[3:17:55] the sign is accurate. Um, so if we get

[3:17:58] that done, education of the operator,

[3:18:01] enforcement against the operator, and

[3:18:03] then appeals would kind of be seamless,

[3:18:07] but as it's nothing matches right now.

[3:18:09] which doesn't match the sign which

[3:18:10] doesn't match anything else.

[3:18:12] >> Yeah.

[3:18:12] >> A technical question.

[3:18:14] >> A sign is posted for example. I know for

[3:18:16] a sign is posted in front of Ken's house

[3:18:18] says 1 hour parking. It has time on it

[3:18:22] except for Sundays in the other

[3:18:23] language.

[3:18:25] How long does that sign extend? Because

[3:18:28] the missing sign is in front of the

[3:18:30] fish's house which is less than 100 ft

[3:18:33] away. And then happens Alden.

[3:18:37] And then happens this block between

[3:18:39] Alden and Barry. So if is the one sign

[3:18:43] in front of Ken's house sufficient to

[3:18:46] cover the rest of the way to to Alden

[3:18:48] >> where you have a change halfway down the

[3:18:51] street. So after Berry Street, it turns

[3:18:53] into unrestricted.

[3:18:54] >> Right.

[3:18:54] >> So what we would like to see is

[3:18:57] essentially at the intersection of Berry

[3:18:59] Street is the sign that says

[3:19:01] >> parking these hours these days with an

[3:19:04] arrow facing back towards High Street.

[3:19:06] Okay.

[3:19:06] >> You don't need one. You don't need one

[3:19:08] in front of every house. You don't uh

[3:19:10] But it's Mr. Bradstreet always asks the

[3:19:13] question, where does no parking here

[3:19:16] mean? And I think most people you do see

[3:19:19] people parked right under that sign. So

[3:19:21] that's an easy answer. But if you're

[3:19:23] parked two houses down, did that sign

[3:19:25] actually mean going towards the middle

[3:19:27] school or did that sign mean going past

[3:19:30] back towards high?

[3:19:31] >> Okay.

[3:19:31] >> Only on block. You have some streets

[3:19:33] though that are no parking the entire

[3:19:34] length. So you don't need the arrows.

[3:19:36] It's just a couple of signs each block

[3:19:38] and you're fine. But where we change

[3:19:39] kind of mid street and then we alternate

[3:19:42] some sides mid street. We just need

[3:19:44] >> just for this specific section. Not

[3:19:45] dealing with all the other changes.

[3:19:48] Would the change be to change it from

[3:19:50] north to south? Change it from high

[3:19:52] street to Berry Street. Add the sign

[3:19:54] you're talking about in front of the

[3:19:55] Fisher's house and change the time to

[3:19:58] the time that we actually already

[3:20:00] approved the language that we approved

[3:20:02] earlier which is 8 to 6. I don't think

[3:20:04] we've approved that language. I think

[3:20:05] >> No, no, we did approve the general

[3:20:08] language in the section in the second

[3:20:10] bullet.

[3:20:11] >> We we did not.

[3:20:12] >> Oh, we

[3:20:13] >> that needed to be refined. Yes.

[3:20:18] If the issue of enforcement is lack of

[3:20:22] clarity, then I would recommend we put a

[3:20:24] sign back in front of the fish's house

[3:20:27] for whatever the current standards are,

[3:20:29] whatever they are now, pre-changing and

[3:20:32] ask for enforcement.

[3:20:34] >> I I just Mr. Chair threw you again. I

[3:20:37] think there's I think it's both. Um and

[3:20:40] correct me if I'm wrong. It's the book

[3:20:42] has one. in the book has, I believe, the

[3:20:43] wrong side of the street. North, south,

[3:20:45] something.

[3:20:46] >> One's east, west. That matters, but it's

[3:20:49] >> the street one's east, west. So, there's

[3:20:50] a north side and a south side, right? If

[3:20:52] it goes east and west, north is this

[3:20:54] way, south is that way.

[3:20:56] >> Um, west, east, north, south. Um,

[3:20:59] >> but that's why they say north side or

[3:21:01] south side, not end side. Um, so I think

[3:21:04] it's this. So, there's a correction that

[3:21:06] needs to be made in the book as well

[3:21:08] because it also says in the book

[3:21:09] currently 107 feet from High Street. So

[3:21:12] they're recommending it would say from

[3:21:14] High Street to Berry Street, not that

[3:21:17] 100 because of again no one's going out

[3:21:19] and saying, "Oh, 107 ft from here to

[3:21:22] there." And this is I should state like

[3:21:25] communities do this all the parking

[3:21:27] rules as you said before, they come up

[3:21:29] every time something comes up, somebody

[3:21:31] comes in with the best idea and we end

[3:21:33] up with this kind of stuff, right? And

[3:21:34] then it has to get cleaned up from time

[3:21:35] to time. So no dig on whoever wrote 107

[3:21:38] ft from High Street. that this stuff

[3:21:40] happens commonly um in municipal life.

[3:21:45] Um but that's why it's important to go

[3:21:46] back and look at it. I'm saying there

[3:21:48] would need to be it's not just the sign

[3:21:50] and I believe Lieutenant Sullivan is

[3:21:52] telling us the sign that is currently

[3:21:54] there is sufficient. It's that it

[3:21:56] doesn't reflect that the book does not

[3:21:58] match the sign.

[3:21:59] >> What does not the sign says 9:00 a.m.

[3:22:01] till 9:00 p.m. and it's midblock. It

[3:22:04] doesn't let you know if it's indicating

[3:22:06] this way or that way. So it sounds like

[3:22:08] a corrected sign and a corrected book

[3:22:10] would be needed for enforcement today.

[3:22:12] >> The 107 ft

[3:22:14] >> put a sign up.

[3:22:15] >> I'm sorry.

[3:22:16] >> The 107 ft is specifically to specific

[3:22:18] to the Masonic Temple basically that

[3:22:20] property and it ends roughly about the property line of Ken's house

[3:22:25] for which there is a sign. Then there is

[3:22:28] a sign that was present in front of the

[3:22:30] fish's house that is now missing.

[3:22:33] And that was a point of clarity about

[3:22:38] whether that was enforceable or not. So

[3:22:42] independent of us changing anything

[3:22:45] in the book, can we return it to the

[3:22:48] previous state which had a sign in front

[3:22:49] of the fishes and ask for enforcement?

[3:22:53] >> No, because the sign that was in front

[3:22:55] of the fishes is not consistent with the

[3:22:56] book. You have to change

[3:22:57] >> I can tell you they would much prefer to

[3:22:58] be on the other side of the street

[3:23:00] anyhow. Well, I'm saying if you want if

[3:23:02] you want that's that's up to you, right?

[3:23:04] That's the board's decision. You guys

[3:23:06] can do whatever you want. We can put we

[3:23:07] can put up a sign. This is what I

[3:23:09] started with the traffic commission.

[3:23:11] There are things that we can do

[3:23:12] operationally. So, we know if we're

[3:23:14] hearing it's not um enforced and the

[3:23:17] police are saying, "Oh, we can't enforce

[3:23:18] it because the sign isn't right." We,

[3:23:20] the town, can go and set up a sign. We,

[3:23:22] the town, cannot make a change in this

[3:23:24] book. So if you all want the so the sign

[3:23:27] that you're asking for if you want it to

[3:23:29] reflect what is currently in the book is

[3:23:33] different than the sign that was there

[3:23:34] before.

[3:23:35] >> Right. I feel like I'm talking in

[3:23:37] circles, but I think I'm getting

[3:23:38] through.

[3:23:38] >> Is it is it are we saying that?

[3:23:42] >> So, two things. Number one, given the

[3:23:45] fact that this was on our agenda as a

[3:23:49] topic of discussion today, changing this

[3:23:52] rule and regulations, we can change part

[3:23:55] of it. We don't have to change the whole

[3:23:56] thing.

[3:23:57] >> That is correct. I will say to be

[3:23:59] consistent with your earlier suggestions

[3:24:02] that people should know about it. If

[3:24:04] you're going again, if we're going to

[3:24:06] make changes,

[3:24:08] I mean, it's up to you guys. If if you

[3:24:10] want to be consistent with letting

[3:24:11] everybody in the neighborhood know um

[3:24:14] and doing a public workshop, that's one

[3:24:16] thing. If you want to answer a

[3:24:18] enforcement problem, that's another. I'm

[3:24:20] saying that we are not in a position

[3:24:21] that we can enforce this

[3:24:24] as the current book and sign are posted.

[3:24:28] >> Mr. Chairman,

[3:24:28] >> member member Bennett. Yes.

[3:24:30] >> If I if I may, if if the board is

[3:24:32] willing to the the bullet that uh

[3:24:35] [music] specified the hours

[3:24:37] um that didn't didn't have the language

[3:24:40] for, you know, shuffling parking spaces

[3:24:42] or when you can come back to the street.

[3:24:44] If the board would accept some version

[3:24:46] of that language that it is Monday

[3:24:48] through Saturday enforcement hours are 8

[3:24:50] to 6 um strike the rest of the language

[3:24:54] direct that we come back to you with

[3:24:56] better language for moving cars around

[3:24:58] and when you can come back to the street

[3:25:01] but allow that first section that would

[3:25:03] apply those hours to this entire

[3:25:05] schedule [music] unless otherwise noted

[3:25:08] in the schedule. that would then allow

[3:25:10] us to post High Street um from I'm

[3:25:14] sorry, Park Street from High to Berry as

[3:25:18] that time restriction. The book The book

[3:25:20] says 1 hour, Madam Clerk.

[3:25:21] >> Yes.

[3:25:22] >> One 1 hour um 1 hour from High to Berry,

[3:25:28] enforcable 8:00 a.m. till 6:00 p.m. We

[3:25:31] can then have those signs modified and

[3:25:34] correctly installed and start enforcing

[3:25:36] that. But will we still have to change

[3:25:38] the 1067 ft and changing north to south?

[3:25:44] >> Yes.

[3:25:45] >> Because that doesn't solve the problem.

[3:25:46] So

[3:25:47] >> So we will still So even if we put the

[3:25:50] hours,

[3:25:52] what we saying is that we will still

[3:25:53] have to partially change

[3:25:56] the the footage on the

[3:26:01] >> if you change it. Sorry. If you change

[3:26:02] it to the hours from the previous

[3:26:03] bullet, if you allow that section to be

[3:26:05] applied to this table and then change

[3:26:08] this table to say the correct side of

[3:26:10] the street as signed now from High

[3:26:12] Street to Berry, that will allow us to

[3:26:14] make no parking from High to Berry. Uh

[3:26:19] 1-hour parking during those hours or as

[3:26:22] uh Mr. Tras had asked that I I don't

[3:26:25] remember where their curb cuts are for

[3:26:26] the Masonic Temple. Um, but if you

[3:26:29] wanted parking to remain

[3:26:32] available there for some reason, you

[3:26:34] could.

[3:26:35] >> I I think for simplicity, Mr. Chairman,

[3:26:37] you've already confirmed that we have

[3:26:38] the opportunity tonight to change a

[3:26:40] single issue, a single line, whatever we

[3:26:42] want to do because we're the authority.

[3:26:44] So, I'm not hearing I'm hearing the

[3:26:46] consensus that you don't want to do a no

[3:26:49] parking zone. But I'm going to make a

[3:26:50] suggestion that on page 27,

[3:26:54] 1 2 3 4 5 6 line 7,

[3:26:58] Park Street should go south.

[3:27:02] Change from north to south. Strike 107

[3:27:05] ft from High Street and just keep it

[3:27:07] High Street to Berry Street. one hour

[3:27:10] parking 8 to six on weekdays

[3:27:15] or whatever the language is about

[3:27:16] Saturdays, Sundays and

[3:27:17] >> Monday to Saturday

[3:27:19] >> whatever the standard language is there

[3:27:22] >> 8 to6 the language in the previous

[3:27:24] bullet was 8 to 6 Monday through

[3:27:26] Saturday um Sundays and legal

[3:27:28] >> excluding Sundays and holidays

[3:27:32] >> I would make that motion just to we need

[3:27:33] to alleviate some pain now while the

[3:27:36] process works its way out and that is

[3:27:40] everybody on that street. Every is right

[3:27:42] there, right here in front of you.

[3:27:47] » Is that a motion?

[3:27:48] >> I'm making the motion that we modified.

[3:27:50] >> I I mean I I think it was more

[3:27:52] discussions. I don't think he was

[3:27:54] >> No, I'm I'm making a motion. Yeah, I I

[3:27:56] did make a motion about completely

[3:27:58] eliminating parking and no one bit. So,

[3:28:00] I'm making a motion now that we modify

[3:28:02] on page 27

[3:28:05] the seventh line down that it now says

[3:28:08] Park Street, South

[3:28:11] High Street, Berry Street, 1 hour 8 to

[3:28:15] 6, Monday through Saturday excluding

[3:28:18] Sundays and holidays.

[3:28:20] >> Okay. And and just to clarify before

[3:28:23] it's seconded

[3:28:25] >> and the the second bullet will be

[3:28:28] different like across town the 8 to6

[3:28:31] >> we'll deal with all that later and if we

[3:28:33] at that point if we modify this fine

[3:28:35] >> then it applies to this as well.

[3:28:37] >> Yep.

[3:28:37] >> Okay.

[3:28:38] >> Yep. Second.

[3:28:40] >> Governor Dan second.

[3:28:42] >> Yes. Um

[3:28:45] any further discussions?

[3:28:47] >> Yeah.

[3:28:47] >> Yes please. Um so this

[3:28:51] change

[3:28:53] helps

[3:28:54] >> the singular change helps with

[3:28:56] clarifying

[3:28:58] the law the regulation

[3:29:01] which allows enforcement to happen

[3:29:04] >> and and it helps the neighbors how

[3:29:07] >> because right now enforcement

[3:29:10] needs to be more consistent but even if

[3:29:12] it were enforced today

[3:29:14] >> it legitimately would they could contest

[3:29:16] it and they would win

[3:29:18] >> because It's going in the wrong

[3:29:19] direction because it's

[3:29:20] >> and the book's not

[3:29:21] >> because right the the the the signs do

[3:29:24] not match the book. Now we're going to

[3:29:26] make the book match the signs.

[3:29:27] >> Okay.

[3:29:28] >> As they exist today

[3:29:29] >> at least it's something

[3:29:30] >> right. So it's it's making the that side

[3:29:32] and we obviously within that

[3:29:35] mechanically we'll replace the sign in

[3:29:37] front of the fisher's house.

[3:29:38] >> Okay. All right. Got it.

[3:29:40] >> Ju just for clarity member TR. So

[3:29:42] there's also a park street south to

[3:29:44] Beacon Street. That's not including

[3:29:46] >> I'm not touching that. I'm I'm looking

[3:29:48] only at this that's a different that's a

[3:29:50] different discussion anyhow. There's

[3:29:52] some other issues there.

[3:29:53] >> Okay.

[3:29:54] >> I'm only looking for that one change to

[3:29:55] help that one section for safety

[3:29:57] purposes.

[3:29:58] >> Letin uh if we were to make that change

[3:30:01] in the books

[3:30:04] and taking out the 107 ft from and doing

[3:30:09] the south

[3:30:11] 8 to 6 Monday to Saturday. Will that

[3:30:14] allow the parking officer to in to

[3:30:18] enforce?

[3:30:20] >> Yes, it would. So, if you change the

[3:30:22] book, um I will have my colleagues at

[3:30:24] the street department get the new signs

[3:30:25] and install them and then the parking

[3:30:28] clerk can start enforcing them.

[3:30:30] >> Okay. Uh before we proceed with voting

[3:30:32] on that, madame town manager, is that

[3:30:35] something that will make it consistent

[3:30:38] between

[3:30:39] >> I believe I support Lieutenant Sullivan.

[3:30:41] trust that he's giving the right

[3:30:42] guidance and um seeing nods from madam

[3:30:44] clerk. I do also need to clarify that

[3:30:46] the traffic enforcement there is one

[3:30:49] part-time person for the entire town.

[3:30:51] So, I'm not saying she will be there 24

[3:30:52] hours a day, but now we have the ability

[3:30:55] to enforce. So, we have what we need. Um

[3:30:58] I'm not sure it'll give the relief that

[3:31:00] quite that you're looking for yet, but I

[3:31:02] think we are on a path to get there. Um

[3:31:04] and she has the ability to actually

[3:31:06] write the ticket and it sustain be

[3:31:07] sustained. So that's the most important

[3:31:09] part because we have not had that

[3:31:11] ability up until now.

[3:31:13] >> Okay.

[3:31:13] >> Can I ask one more clarifying question?

[3:31:15] >> Yes.

[3:31:15] >> So is this going to help the residents

[3:31:17] right now by doing this tonight? What

[3:31:19] gardener's proposing

[3:31:21] >> from what Lieutenant Go is saying? Yes.

[3:31:24] >> Can

[3:31:24] >> now we have a motion and we have it

[3:31:26] seconded.

[3:31:27] >> I had a question like Joe saying we have

[3:31:29] one track traffic advisory girl. I

[3:31:32] understand you know Kathy

[3:31:34] >> I mean that's a different issue. No, no, But with the enforcement, like we

[3:31:38] want to enforce it. Seeing police

[3:31:40] presence is always good.

[3:31:43] >> No, this this is different from the

[3:31:44] police. The parking enforcement is

[3:31:46] different from the police,

[3:31:47] >> but the police can't do that, too. And

[3:31:50] help.

[3:31:50] >> I mean, police in the neighborhood if

[3:31:51] they get called, I mean, there they are

[3:31:53] in this town, police are allowed to

[3:31:55] write parking tickets.

[3:31:56] >> Yes. Okay.

[3:31:57] >> We we do we do do that. We generally

[3:31:59] write them for if you find if you do get

[3:32:01] a call where somebody's in front of

[3:32:02] someone's driveway. If we can pull up

[3:32:04] and they're in a handicap uh disabled

[3:32:06] accessible parking space, we can write

[3:32:08] that ticket. Um it does become more

[3:32:10] difficult if we're looking at one, two,

[3:32:11] or three hours for for an officer to

[3:32:13] come back and see if that car is still

[3:32:16] there 3 hours later. That area car might

[3:32:18] be off doing something else. We would

[3:32:20] rely on the the parking clerk staff to

[3:32:23] enforce the most of the time limits.

[3:32:26] >> Okay.

[3:32:27] uh to uh just a quick clarification

[3:32:30] member Bennett or member Task now that

[3:32:33] we've had a motion we're discussing as a board could we seek more

[3:32:37] clarification from residents?

[3:32:40] >> Well,

[3:32:41] >> technically no

[3:32:42] >> for tonight.

[3:32:43] >> Yeah. About this motion?

[3:32:45] >> No, I think

[3:32:46] >> are they allowed to speak? That's what I

[3:32:48] mean.

[3:32:48] >> Oh, that's up to you.

[3:32:49] >> That's up to you. And the question's

[3:32:51] been asked by another board member. Does

[3:32:53] this help the residents? And we get some

[3:32:54] >> res if I may. We've been a half hour

[3:32:57] going around and around or something

[3:32:58] very simple. Change the language and

[3:33:01] then they can enforce. I don't know what

[3:33:03] other we need to know.

[3:33:05] >> Okay. Thank you. Yes.

[3:33:07] >> Hi. Um, sorry. When there's a sign,

[3:33:09] which there is in front of my house,

[3:33:11] whether it says 8 to 6 or 96 is not the

[3:33:14] issue. Please don't wait to enforce it

[3:33:17] until those signs are changed. Nobody in

[3:33:20] their right mind knows what the book

[3:33:22] says unless they want to challenge.

[3:33:25] So, most people don't know, but they can

[3:33:27] read a sign, but apparently they don't.

[3:33:30] I have a picture on my phone of somebody

[3:33:32] parking across the street from me. Oh,

[3:33:34] across the street is no parking. They

[3:33:36] parked at the no parking sign.

[3:33:39] That's how bold people have become

[3:33:42] because there's no enforcement. And

[3:33:44] after a while, enforcement is is a

[3:33:46] deterrent. There's no deterrent, then

[3:33:48] you can park clearly. and a and a $25

[3:33:52] fine. Would you rather pay your landlord

[3:33:54] a couple hundred dollars or more for

[3:33:57] parking or risk getting a fine once a

[3:33:59] year for $25? It's a pretty logical

[3:34:02] choice for me as a resident. It's an

[3:34:04] awful choice. I hate it.

[3:34:07] >> Thank you.

[3:34:08] >> Okay. Thank you.

[3:34:09] >> Is it okay?

[3:34:10] >> Yes.

[3:34:10] >> Okay. So, to the question of whether

[3:34:12] this solves it, [music] it marginally

[3:34:14] makes it better, which is we've had

[3:34:16] nothing. I think the actual answer is to

[3:34:18] move it to the south side of the street,

[3:34:19] which is where it's in the regulations

[3:34:21] right now. That's actually where we want

[3:34:23] it. The parking isn't because Ken and us are parking in front of a house.

[3:34:28] It's because it's being used by the

[3:34:30] apartment building across the street.

[3:34:32] And the original recommendation we made

[3:34:33] was well then they'd be happy to walk 2

[3:34:36] feet versus across the street and park

[3:34:38] there, right? So then it's only one

[3:34:41] change. put it on the southbound side of

[3:34:42] the street as the book says today and

[3:34:44] then put the parking enforcement over

[3:34:46] there and would it answer the question

[3:34:48] then? Yes.

[3:34:50] >> Okay.

[3:34:50] >> My son wouldn't be walking between

[3:34:52] parked cars. The bus would come down

[3:34:54] towards the middle school in a safe

[3:34:55] manner.

[3:34:57] >> Can I just clarify though that now

[3:34:59] currently the book says, and correct me

[3:35:00] if I'm wrong, I'm not the one on there,

[3:35:02] Lieutenant. That currently it says north

[3:35:05] side is signed on the south side. the

[3:35:09] recommend the what I'm saying is it

[3:35:10] either has to be consistent on the south

[3:35:13] or you have to change it all to the

[3:35:15] north and again I don't have a I don't

[3:35:17] have a horse in those race it just has

[3:35:18] to be consistent or we can't be

[3:35:21] effective so but what I think I'm

[3:35:23] hearing Mary say is that they don't want

[3:35:25] the motion that gardener made member

[3:35:28] Tras made excuse me I apologize no

[3:35:30] >> um that member Tras made changing it

[3:35:32] from north to south they want to keep

[3:35:35] the south and change the signage

[3:35:38] which would require a second table to be

[3:35:40] modified

[3:35:41] >> which requires another modification. So

[3:35:43] >> this is one hour allowing this is

[3:35:45] allowing one hour parking on a specific

[3:35:48] side of the street. There is another

[3:35:49] table that dictates the other side of

[3:35:51] the street is no parking. So you would

[3:35:53] have to reverse two tables which is

[3:35:56] >> this is this is why we spend so much

[3:35:57] time on parking. [laughter]

[3:35:59] >> I I I actually have no preference. I'm

[3:36:00] trying to get to a at least some

[3:36:03] salvageable solution tonight.

[3:36:04] >> Yeah. If if the board prefers, I'll

[3:36:09] resend that motion, ask for it to be on

[3:36:11] the south side, and make that other

[3:36:12] table change. I've got no problem with

[3:36:15] that. That actually is one of the one of

[3:36:17] >> you have to vote down for con process

[3:36:19] wise. You'd have to vote down this

[3:36:20] motion and make another one. But I don't

[3:36:21] care how you do it. Just

[3:36:23] >> I

[3:36:26] » again, and I would just say for cons

[3:36:28] consistency sake, remember you are

[3:36:30] impacting. I understand everyone who's

[3:36:32] here is here and I respect that. I was

[3:36:34] under the impression that if we change

[3:36:37] it from south take out 107 ft it's not

[3:36:42] solving the whole problem but it's

[3:36:44] giving

[3:36:46] a little bit of relief until we can

[3:36:48] address the bigger issue of no parking

[3:36:51] on that street at all for example

[3:36:53] >> or whatever other solution.

[3:36:55] >> There were multiple solutions that were

[3:36:57] proposed by the neighbors at the

[3:36:59] community meeting that was followed then

[3:37:02] by DTAC. Exactly.

[3:37:03] >> One of the solutions was put it on the

[3:37:05] other side. Now I'm seeing in this that

[3:37:08] it's supposed to be on the other side

[3:37:10] and and if you want to not change that,

[3:37:14] they're happy. We'll just make sure that

[3:37:16] other table is accurately reflects it on

[3:37:18] their side. It's no parking. They're

[3:37:21] happy with that.

[3:37:24] >> Or no no parking from high to to Berry.

[3:37:30] So, I am more than willing to either

[3:37:32] resend the first motion I had.

[3:37:34] >> Well, with second it you have to

[3:37:36] >> Okay, we'll vote it down and go to the route where put the signs where

[3:37:42] they are accurately identified in the

[3:37:44] book on the other side of the street and

[3:37:47] we'll just find that other table and

[3:37:48] modify it so that it says no parking on

[3:37:53] the north side.

[3:37:56] >> Okay. So,

[3:37:56] >> Oh, the south side. [laughter] I'm I'm

[3:37:59] sorry.

[3:38:01] >> I would.

[3:38:03] >> So to throw a little other idea, why not

[3:38:07] no parking both sides from High Street

[3:38:09] to Berry Street?

[3:38:10] >> I that that's that was my original

[3:38:12] motion, though.

[3:38:13] >> I think that was the original motion. I

[3:38:14] think [clears throat]

[3:38:15] concern was

[3:38:16] >> Well, I said we're going round and

[3:38:17] round.

[3:38:18] >> Yeah.

[3:38:19] >> So I didn't make a compelling argument

[3:38:20] initially like that.

[3:38:23] >> But what does it say in the

[3:38:25] >> No, no, you can we can change that. We

[3:38:28] can make a motion to make it no park.

[3:38:31] >> Rob, Lieutenant Svin, can we ask him no

[3:38:34] parking both sides street to Berry

[3:38:36] Street?

[3:38:37] >> Okay.

[3:38:38] >> Does that work for you and your offices?

[3:38:41] >> Can that be done

[3:38:41] >> if that's the rule? So any, as the town

[3:38:44] manager said, whatever the board

[3:38:45] decides, that's what we will sign and

[3:38:47] that's what we enforce.

[3:38:49] >> You originally made the motion. Go

[3:38:50] ahead.

[3:38:51] >> Well, first you have to have to vote

[3:38:53] down my current motion.

[3:38:55] >> We have to vote down this motion. But be

[3:38:56] before we and again um and I know this

[3:39:01] is a huge concerns for people but

[3:39:06] I'm still concerned that everybody that

[3:39:09] needs to be notified for a no parking

[3:39:11] completely is not notified. I I think giving some instant relief by

[3:39:22] allowing the town to enforce

[3:39:26] is the best shortterm solution. I I

[3:39:30] think to to to go all the way to no

[3:39:33] parking on either side of the street uh

[3:39:36] I I again I'm not I'll do a site visit

[3:39:39] myself. I didn't have a chance to. I got

[3:39:41] the presentation from uh I think it was

[3:39:44] last night. I look at it. I want to

[3:39:47] familiarize myself. You're probably more

[3:39:49] involved in this than I am. You've been at the site. You've seen it.

[3:39:54] I want to do the same and feel confident

[3:39:56] that I'm not making a a rush decision.

[3:39:59] Uh so whatever we can do to give the

[3:40:02] residents some immediate relief will be

[3:40:05] welcome. But to completely I mean I

[3:40:08] think that's that's a big move. We're

[3:40:10] speaking of eliminating four spots. I

[3:40:12] >> I understand. I understand. I I don't

[3:40:14] live near there, so it doesn't really

[3:40:16] affect me, but

[3:40:17] >> but by your same logic, no matter what

[3:40:20] we do, you would want public input,

[3:40:23] broader public input, no matter what you

[3:40:25] do. No, we can do some things like

[3:40:28] clarifying the books so that it can be

[3:40:31] enforced today

[3:40:33] >> because we do have in an earlier

[3:40:34] provision an early article that does

[3:40:36] speak to emergency issues and and and we have the authority to say this is

[3:40:42] a safety issue. We have the authority to

[3:40:44] say this is a concern of the board. If

[3:40:46] the police came to us and said we want

[3:40:48] to shut down or make the street one way

[3:40:50] for a certain reason, we have that

[3:40:51] authority. the police actually have that

[3:40:52] authority too. But to make it binding

[3:40:55] and long-term,

[3:40:57] it's on us to make that vote. Um, I'm

[3:41:01] suggesting my motion will be to make it

[3:41:05] no parking from High to Berry Street

[3:41:08] until such time as the traffic advisory

[3:41:10] committee has a workshop and comes back

[3:41:12] with a recommendation if they recommend

[3:41:14] to put it on the other side of the

[3:41:15] street or whatever it is with all of the

[3:41:17] due process you're looking for.

[3:41:20] >> If I may, Mr. Mr. Chairman to clarify

[3:41:21] that it will not be the traffic advisory

[3:41:23] commission having a workshop. It'll be

[3:41:24] the select board.

[3:41:25] >> Oh, you're correct. Thank you. The

[3:41:26] select board with their guidance.

[3:41:28] >> Then, Mr. Chair, with what God is saying

[3:41:30] too, which is good, then to have the

[3:41:33] workshop, the people that really, you

[3:41:36] know, are invested and want to hear

[3:41:37] about it will come to the workshop

[3:41:40] >> and if they're affected by no parking,

[3:41:41] then they're really going to come,

[3:41:43] >> you know. So, you are making it fair. I

[3:41:45] understand.

[3:41:45] >> But that would be after the fact, right?

[3:41:47] That would be after we've made the

[3:41:48] decision. For example, I think when I

[3:41:50] look from the presentation,

[3:41:53] uh, was it the berries? They live on

[3:41:57] that street, right?

[3:41:59] >> Who?

[3:42:00] >> Is it Barry? I think I wrote down the

[3:42:02] name.

[3:42:02] >> Well, I think it's the people who park

[3:42:04] on the people who live on Berry.

[3:42:07] >> Okay. Okay. The people on Berry because

[3:42:10] this is eliminating

[3:42:14] highend berry. Okay.

[3:42:16] When I use the word Berry, I'm saying

[3:42:18] the beginning of Berry. I'm saying from

[3:42:20] High Street up to Berry, not including

[3:42:23] Bry.

[3:42:24] >> Okay, I see.

[3:42:25] >> Up to the cross street of Berry on

[3:42:29] Park Street. From High Street to the

[3:42:31] head of Berry.

[3:42:32] >> Can I Can I recommend that you vote on

[3:42:34] the motion that's on the table because I

[3:42:35] think that far a foot from where we

[3:42:38] started. [laughter]

[3:42:38] >> The motion to clarify the books that you

[3:42:41] have done, Madam

[3:42:42] >> Cler.

[3:42:43] Godner made the motion um to correct

[3:42:46] line 7 on page 27

[3:42:49] to um 8 to 6 Monday through Saturday uh

[3:42:55] excluding Sundays and holidays and that

[3:42:58] would also um correct the north south

[3:43:01] item.

[3:43:02] >> So if I can if you don't mind Mr.

[3:43:04] Chairman the motion that he made was

[3:43:06] what is presented currently in the blue

[3:43:09] line version which is line seven that

[3:43:11] says Park Street. This is the motion

[3:43:12] that's on the table. I'm not changing

[3:43:14] anything. Um, deleting north, putting in

[3:43:16] south, deleting 107 feet from High

[3:43:19] Street,

[3:43:20] >> and adding 8 to 6 Monday through

[3:43:22] Saturday except Sundays and holidays.

[3:43:24] That's the motion that's on the table

[3:43:26] and seconded. So, I recommend taking

[3:43:28] action on that.

[3:43:29] >> So, for that motion, all those in favor

[3:43:32] say I.

[3:43:34] >> Oppose.

[3:43:35] >> No.

[3:43:37] >> Okay. So, now Mr.

[3:43:40] >> Right. So, it shot down. It's dead.

[3:43:43] [clears throat] So, at this time, I

[3:43:44] would like to make a motion that we

[3:43:46] designate no parking on Park Street

[3:43:51] from High Street

[3:43:54] to the cross intersection of Berry

[3:43:56] Street.

[3:43:59] >> Second

[3:43:59] >> on both sides. I should have said both

[3:44:01] sides.

[3:44:06] » So, I have a motion and I have a second.

[3:44:08] Okay. any further discussions

[3:44:13] now.

[3:44:15] Uh sorry for coming to you again. So is

[3:44:18] it my understanding that this will be

[3:44:20] four spots?

[3:44:23] >> Oh, I don't

[3:44:24] >> four or five.

[3:44:26] >> They aren't lined spots.

[3:44:28] >> So there's not they're not lined.

[3:44:31] >> But the the my observance has been there

[3:44:34] had been four or five in [clears throat]

[3:44:36] that area. Um, but they're not lined. I

[3:44:39] can't say the number of spots, but we

[3:44:43] the the other thing they'll be able to

[3:44:44] do is now feel Well, they they won't

[3:44:47] have parking, so never mind. Um, I can't

[3:44:49] I I use that based on observation, but

[3:44:52] if you had four Mini Coopers or five

[3:44:54] Mini Coopers, you could do that.

[3:44:59] It's It's eliminating all the spots,

[3:45:01] which is a small number.

[3:45:04] We're not talking about a large number.

[3:45:06] Yeah, but what does small number means?

[3:45:08] Are we talk about four or five or five?

[3:45:12] >> So, but today I observed four vehicles

[3:45:15] >> there actually. Yes, we all receive

[3:45:17] pictures in in the attachment.

[3:45:19] >> I don't need pictures.

[3:45:20] >> Really getting

[3:45:21] >> I'm not familiar with the

[3:45:22] >> We have a simple motion, Mr. Chairman.

[3:45:24] >> Yeah, I was say Mr. Chairman

[3:45:27] could wrap it up.

[3:45:30] >> Okay. Thank you. So, any further

[3:45:33] discussions? Hear none. You have the

[3:45:38] motion correctly, Madame Clair.

[3:45:40] >> No parking. Hide to bury both sides.

[3:45:43] >> On Park Street.

[3:45:48] >> It's getting late. We still have a lot

[3:45:50] more work to do.

[3:45:50] >> Okay. All those in favor of the motion

[3:45:53] say I.

[3:45:54] >> I. Oppose.

[3:45:56] >> Okay. That's 5.

[3:45:58] >> The Rob, is that the only change that

[3:46:00] would need to happen? Is there another

[3:46:02] table that cross references that

[3:46:04] somewhere?

[3:46:05] >> Uh, if it's acceptable, we'll whatever

[3:46:07] the motion was and pass, we will just

[3:46:09] make the book reflect that.

[3:46:10] >> Okay.

[3:46:12] >> And

[3:46:13] >> I think I'm sorry. I just want to make

[3:46:15] sure I understand what you're saying.

[3:46:16] So, I think that if the board intends to

[3:46:19] have any corrections that need to be

[3:46:21] made

[3:46:23] in the spirit of this, you should make

[3:46:24] another motion that says something about

[3:46:26] an all

[3:46:28] incillary corrections. Is that the right

[3:46:30] word?

[3:46:31] >> What that needs to be adjusted

[3:46:33] >> to um meet the case. Yeah.

[3:46:37] >> Pass vote.

[3:46:38] >> Okay.

[3:46:39] >> We don't want to end up back in that

[3:46:40] situation.

[3:46:41] >> Second motion.

[3:46:42] >> Second. Okay. Any other discussions?

[3:46:46] >> All those in favor say I.

[3:46:48] >> I.

[3:46:58] » Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Le.

[3:47:01] >> Oh, he's not done.

[3:47:02] >> Oh, he's not

[3:47:03] >> not even close. [laughter]

[3:47:06] I told you guys we had a lot of work to

[3:47:07] do tonight.

[3:47:10] >> I'm getting

[3:47:11] >> now the fun stuff. Actually, this is

[3:47:12] actually the hard stuff.

[3:47:13] >> We [laughter] all went way over.

[3:47:16] >> Okay, we went over, but I think it was

[3:47:19] important to

[3:47:20] >> No, no, no. We We were making a joke. We

[3:47:22] estimated what time we would get out of

[3:47:23] here. We all underestimated. [laughter]

[3:47:28] ready when you are, Mr. Chairman.

[3:47:31] >> Okay.

[3:47:37] » So, keep going.

[3:47:38] >> Yeah.

[3:47:38] >> We're going to discuss Dayton Street

[3:47:40] Speed.

[3:47:42] >> You're welcome.

[3:47:45] >> So, Madame Clerk, the next item on the

[3:47:47] agenda, please.

[3:47:48] >> I think it's the same item.

[3:47:50] >> Oh, it's the same item. Okay.

[3:47:51] >> Same. Second part.

[3:47:52] >> Oh, Linton and Rob. It's you again. I'm getting the feeling I will never be

[3:47:57] invited back to a select board.

[3:47:59] [laughter]

[3:48:00] >> Now you see why the creative detail.

[3:48:02] >> Yeah, I guess [laughter]

[3:48:04] >> bank robbery was not this difficult as

[3:48:07] parking is.

[3:48:09] >> Uh so uh Mr. Chair, um probably about

[3:48:12] two years ago.

[3:48:13] >> Sorry, Mr. Chair. Can we have quiet and

[3:48:15] >> I'm sorry. Uh order, please. Thank you.

[3:48:21] Uh about two years ago, maybe now, we

[3:48:23] started uh traffic uh committee. We

[3:48:26] started um a review of Dayton Street. Uh

[3:48:29] residents had reached out with

[3:48:30] complaints about high speed. Um we

[3:48:33] conducted speed studies and through our

[3:48:35] um radar data, we were able to determine

[3:48:37] that we have uh high traffic volumes at

[3:48:40] essentially all hours. Um we have high

[3:48:42] speeds um on the street opposed to most

[3:48:46] streets that we do a study we find less

[3:48:47] than 1% of cars are traveling at a speed

[3:48:49] that they would be stopped. Um these are

[3:48:52] very um high percentages of cars that

[3:48:54] would be stopped. Uh the residents um

[3:48:57] also there's no other street in town

[3:48:59] when we did the study that has the same

[3:49:01] number of vehicles that depart the

[3:49:03] roadway um striking people's bushes,

[3:49:05] their cars in their driveways, sometimes

[3:49:08] their houses and front porches. um those

[3:49:10] tend to be operators who are uh under

[3:49:12] the influence or some other sort of

[3:49:13] motor vehicle criminal violation. Uh so

[3:49:16] the residents on Dayton Street and I

[3:49:18] should also mention uh Dayton um for the

[3:49:21] majority of the street they do not have

[3:49:23] sidewalks. Uh and Dayton Street um for

[3:49:26] some odd reason only has mailboxes on

[3:49:28] one side of the street. So if you want

[3:49:30] to go out and walk with your family,

[3:49:31] with your pets, or even get your mail,

[3:49:32] you've got to walk in the street. Uh so

[3:49:34] they were asking us to provide some

[3:49:36] relief. uh Dayton Street. The speed

[3:49:39] limit is set by a special speed

[3:49:41] regulation that was uh enacted by the

[3:49:44] board in 1973,

[3:49:46] I believe.

[3:49:49] Let me get to the right map. [sighs]

[3:49:58] So, this map shows Dayton Street. This

[3:50:00] here, this area here is Armory uh Armory

[3:50:03] Road and up here is the Middleton line.

[3:50:05] Uh this red line is currently the

[3:50:07] section of the roadway that has a 30 mph

[3:50:10] speed limit. Um just after West Street,

[3:50:13] that speed limit is in both directions,

[3:50:15] inbound and outbound increased to 40. Um

[3:50:18] we do not have the ability to set

[3:50:20] whatever speed limits we would like on

[3:50:22] our on our roads. Um it's usually done

[3:50:24] with the traffic study and we were

[3:50:26] afraid that um if we went through the

[3:50:28] process it may end up instead of

[3:50:29] reducing the speeds uh raise the speeds.

[3:50:32] Um so the residents um kept the project

[3:50:35] moving forward. We were able to get some

[3:50:37] help from Representative Karn's office

[3:50:38] to get in front of Masdot

[3:50:40] representatives and we provided the

[3:50:42] traffic data and what they have allowed

[3:50:44] us to do is this 30 mph zone. They will

[3:50:48] allow us to increase that to the uh I

[3:50:52] believe it's number 190. Yes, number 190

[3:50:56] uh

[3:50:57] 190 Dayton. just before the uh the corn

[3:51:00] fields and the uh Hogan Regional Center

[3:51:02] property begins. Um we thought we they

[3:51:06] weren't going to allow us to change this

[3:51:08] segment of Dayton Street um because it

[3:51:10] is open fields. Open fields if you use

[3:51:12] the state statutory speed is 40. Um Mass

[3:51:15] DOT wanted to match this portion of the

[3:51:18] road along with I believe it's Gregory

[3:51:20] Road in Middleton uh which is set at 35.

[3:51:22] So, Mass DOT asked that we reduce the

[3:51:25] speed to 35 um which is another win uh

[3:51:28] another win for the residents and also

[3:51:30] I've met a couple of times with the

[3:51:31] facility director of Hogan Regional um

[3:51:34] who has expressed concern um their staff

[3:51:36] drive uh vans with residents and clients

[3:51:38] and trying to get out uh from these uh

[3:51:41] driveways here into traffic that's

[3:51:43] coming over a hill um at 40 is is

[3:51:46] dangerous. So, we'll we'll be able to

[3:51:48] lower the speeds um to 35 in that

[3:51:52] location. We currently have all of the

[3:51:54] materials we would need. Um

[3:51:57] uh when we started working on this

[3:51:59] project, um we acquired a few radar

[3:52:01] feedback signs as well as illuminated

[3:52:04] speed limit signs, advanced warning

[3:52:05] illuminated uh signs, which are deployed

[3:52:08] uh just before the 30 mph zone. we will

[3:52:11] just relocate them to the new uh new um

[3:52:16] 30 mph zone. Um that was the win. It

[3:52:19] came with it came with a catch. Uh

[3:52:21] [laughter] as always is something with

[3:52:23] mass DOT. This 1973 regulation dealt

[3:52:27] with and this is why it's taken so long.

[3:52:30] It covered uh 19 additional streets. So

[3:52:33] they wouldn't give us a change just on

[3:52:35] Dayton Street because this regulation

[3:52:37] covers 20 streets. modern-day special

[3:52:39] speed regulations have to have one

[3:52:42] regulation per street. So, we

[3:52:44] essentially had to review uh 19

[3:52:46] additional streets and determine what if

[3:52:49] any changes needed to be made uh what do

[3:52:51] we need for material signs and what are

[3:52:53] the current signs posted on the streets.

[3:52:56] So, that um got me to the chart. So, we

[3:53:00] are uh we are recommending that the um

[3:53:02] the board would allow the change on

[3:53:04] Dayton Street, which would extend the 30

[3:53:06] mph speed limit to number 190 and then

[3:53:09] set the the um the rest of the traffic

[3:53:11] on that road up to Gregory at 35 mph.

[3:53:16] Um as we go through each of the

[3:53:19] additional streets, most of them um were

[3:53:21] just some issues with signage that we

[3:53:23] need to change, but we did find a couple

[3:53:24] of the streets were problematic. um on

[3:53:28] Endicott Street. Um we found that

[3:53:33] >> I'm sorry to interrupt you, Lieutenant,

[3:53:34] but can you put the chart up for them so

[3:53:36] that people know what they're looking

[3:53:37] at?

[3:53:38] >> Thank you.

[3:53:43] If you have it, it was in your packets.

[3:53:45] >> I do. Let's see.

[3:53:47] >> Yeah.

[3:53:48] >> This one?

[3:53:50] >> Yep.

[3:53:51] >> Do you need it there? You can have mine.

[3:53:53] >> Yeah. I lost color.

[3:53:54] >> That's okay. You can have mine.

[3:53:55] >> I had it. The dog ate it.

[3:53:57] >> [laughter]

[3:54:00] » Thank you. I think we're good.

[3:54:04] » I think they have it now.

[3:54:05] >> Have it. Okay.

[3:54:07] >> Sorry to interrupt you.

[3:54:15] Uh so as we were looking at uh Endicott

[3:54:19] Street um we discovered that the um the

[3:54:23] speed limit uh as set by the special

[3:54:25] speed regulation is uh 35 mph for the

[3:54:29] majority of Endicott Street. Uh we found

[3:54:31] that most of the street is posted at 30.

[3:54:34] Um, we would be required to, uh, remove

[3:54:37] those 30 mph speed limit signs and

[3:54:39] replace them with 35 mph signs. Um, do

[3:54:44] you want me to go through each of these

[3:54:45] just as a group or should I stop it

[3:54:47] after every one?

[3:54:50] >> If I think we could we could vote it as

[3:54:53] a slate if the board is open to that

[3:54:56] >> unless there's a specific one that we

[3:54:59] want to remove. So, I'll recommend that

[3:55:02] we we hear them, we vote it as a slate.

[3:55:04] If there's one that someone is not

[3:55:08] comfortable or have questions, we can

[3:55:10] carve that out and and come back to it

[3:55:12] separately. So, I I'll go on.

[3:55:14] >> Okay. So, this would just require us to

[3:55:16] remove the 30 mph signs and replace them

[3:55:19] with the 35 that currently is reflected

[3:55:22] in the special speed regulation. So,

[3:55:24] what they're going to take the speed

[3:55:26] regulation that has all of the existing

[3:55:28] 19 streets, break them down into each

[3:55:30] individual road, and just ask that we

[3:55:33] sign it correctly. We're not given the

[3:55:35] option to say what speed do we want

[3:55:37] Endicott Street to be. Um, it's just we

[3:55:41] have to match our sign with what the

[3:55:43] regulation says. It will have a new

[3:55:44] stand. Endicott will be its own

[3:55:45] regulation. Uh, with no changes. We just

[3:55:47] have to sign it correctly. Uh for

[3:55:50] purchase street, purchase street we

[3:55:51] found that there are no um there are no

[3:55:55] changes needed to be made. It's

[3:55:56] correctly signed and the regulation is

[3:55:58] correct as to what's in the field. Uh so

[3:56:00] there will be no changes on purchase

[3:56:01] street for Ash Street. The only

[3:56:05] [clears throat] changes that have to be

[3:56:07] made are the installation. So this P so

[3:56:09] this is Ash Street. So, uh, by the

[3:56:12] intersection, uh, by Town Hall. And then

[3:56:14] if we come down to, uh, Purchase Street,

[3:56:18] this section of Ash in the yellow is 20

[3:56:21] m an hour. Um, we need to install, um, a

[3:56:24] couple of signs. And this section of ash

[3:56:27] is 25. There's a sign missing up here.

[3:56:30] We'll just install that sign. Um, on the

[3:56:32] map itself, it shows that this 20 mph

[3:56:35] zone ends at the entrance to the mall.

[3:56:39] it actually ends up here. So, we would

[3:56:41] just make sure the signs are correct and

[3:56:43] then update this map to show that's

[3:56:44] where the 20 mph zone uh ends. Uh could

[3:56:48] I just on ash because I've I've had an

[3:56:50] issue with ash in the past where it's

[3:56:51] got four or five sign changes in that

[3:56:55] relatively short stretch of road. Is

[3:56:58] this going to make the entire road

[3:56:59] consistent the same speed or are you

[3:57:01] still going to have several changes?

[3:57:03] >> You would have two different speeds in

[3:57:05] ash. Uh so the upper so the northern

[3:57:07] portion of ash would be 25 miles an hour

[3:57:09] and then the lower portion of ash would

[3:57:11] be

[3:57:11] >> okay. So one change aso right now

[3:57:14] there's two or three

[3:57:15] >> correct

[3:57:16] >> okay thank you

[3:57:19] [clears throat]

[3:57:20] >> uh for Adam Street we just have to um

[3:57:24] install signs. So the regulation is

[3:57:27] correct. Uh this is Adam Street going

[3:57:31] from Pine to Ash. Uh the

[3:57:36] um the regulation's correct, the map is

[3:57:38] correct. We just need to install a

[3:57:39] couple of signs there.

[3:57:42] Uh for Lawrence Street,

[3:57:48] uh same issue. Uh on Lauren Street, the

[3:57:50] signs in the field are correct. We just

[3:57:51] need to update the GIS uh mapping to

[3:57:54] show where this um the speed limit zone

[3:57:56] actually starts and ends.

[3:57:59] Uh, Center Street. It's not really, it's

[3:58:02] not really tricky, but it is one of the

[3:58:04] weird requests from Mass DOT.

[3:58:11] So, Center Street running from So, this

[3:58:13] is the uh National Guard Armory. Uh,

[3:58:16] Center Street going down to the

[3:58:17] intersection of Green Center, if you're

[3:58:20] not familiar with the area, takes a hard

[3:58:21] left and goes up to 114. Um, Mass DOT is

[3:58:25] recommending that. So this current speed

[3:58:28] limit here is 30 miles an hour and then

[3:58:30] it changes for about one house and then

[3:58:33] makes a hard left over to 114 at 20. Uh

[3:58:36] Mass doesn't want a onehouse change in

[3:58:39] speed regulations. Uh because then as

[3:58:41] you continue on green you have a

[3:58:43] different speed. Uh so Mass DOT is

[3:58:46] recommending that this section of center

[3:58:48] from 114 to the intersection of uh

[3:58:52] center in green remain at 20 but it's

[3:58:55] from end to end. and that this section

[3:58:57] of center be extended at 30 up to the

[3:58:59] intersection. So, we would just move

[3:59:01] some signs around, update this map. Um,

[3:59:04] in doing this, it's not covered by these

[3:59:06] changes, but I should mention because

[3:59:07] you'll probably get complaints as soon

[3:59:09] as we leave here that uh just after

[3:59:12] Patricia, so 20 is supposed to be in

[3:59:15] this stretch of roadway, the speed limit

[3:59:17] sign for 20 is up here, just after

[3:59:19] Patricia, giving people uh in the

[3:59:21] neighborhood the impression that uh

[3:59:23] Green Street. And then there's also one

[3:59:25] down by west giving them the impression

[3:59:28] that Green Street is 20 miles an hour.

[3:59:30] There is no special speed regulation

[3:59:32] supporting that. Um so those signs must

[3:59:34] be removed. Um because it's not governed

[3:59:36] by a special speed regulation. It

[3:59:38] defaults to the state statutory speed.

[3:59:40] So the speed limit on Green Street would

[3:59:42] be 30. Um so we will just make the signs

[3:59:44] reflect the uh appropriate um speed

[3:59:46] limit. Um but we would be required to

[3:59:48] remove those 20 mph signs because

[3:59:50] they're not supported by the the

[3:59:51] regulation.

[3:59:54] It's crazy.

[3:59:55] >> On Forest Street.

[4:00:00] So, Prince

[4:00:02] uh see

[4:00:04] >> Quick question. So, Green Street is not

[4:00:07] here.

[4:00:08] >> It is not.

[4:00:09] >> It's not covered by this, but in

[4:00:11] reviewing this, we discovered there were

[4:00:12] 20 mph speed limit signs that were

[4:00:15] incorrectly placed. They're supposed to

[4:00:17] go down Center Street, but they go down

[4:00:19] street.

[4:00:20] And as a reminder, we can move signs. We

[4:00:24] can't change the books. So, we have to

[4:00:27] go move the sign because we can't.

[4:00:29] >> So, why was he put there in the first

[4:00:30] place?

[4:00:31] >> I don't. [laughter]

[4:00:32] >> Very good question.

[4:00:35] >> And can I ask a question to you, Mr.

[4:00:37] Chair? Um,

[4:00:39] mass dot determines the speed limit

[4:00:42] you're saying on these streets, right?

[4:00:44] >> So, you have a couple different speed

[4:00:45] limits. So statutory speed limit are all

[4:00:47] the So all of the streets that you see

[4:00:50] in color here

[4:00:51] >> throughout the town.

[4:00:52] >> These streets are streets that have a

[4:00:54] special speed regulation. In 1973 you

[4:00:57] had more freedom to set speed limits. So

[4:00:59] in 1973 the board mass DOT and the

[4:01:02] registar signed off in that document

[4:01:04] saying we're going to set the speed on

[4:01:06] this road at this. Um they no longer

[4:01:09] allow us to do that. You have to do a

[4:01:11] speed study. Um, and they will look at

[4:01:13] essentially most communities are finding

[4:01:16] they they don't even ask them to do this

[4:01:19] because they'll set whatever the 85th

[4:01:20] percentile is. So whatever 85% of the

[4:01:22] traffic is traveling at um if the speed

[4:01:25] limit is 30 but 85% of the traffic is

[4:01:28] traveling at 40, Mass DOT will change

[4:01:31] the speed limit on that street to 40

[4:01:32] miles an hour.

[4:01:33] >> So my question to you Lieutenant is that

[4:01:36] this wasn't changed. This has been since

[4:01:38] 1973.

[4:01:40] >> Correct. We are now in 2026. Have they

[4:01:43] do they take a look at I mean, you know,

[4:01:46] developments, more houses in the area,

[4:01:49] more traffic. I mean, sometimes, I mean,

[4:01:51] I've got, you know, little kids. You saw

[4:01:53] my little Evie here. you know, I mean,

[4:01:55] 30 35, you know, in heavy, you know,

[4:01:59] populated areas is pretty fast for, you

[4:02:01] know,

[4:02:02] >> they've recently, it's I haven't seen

[4:02:04] the paperwork, but I was at a meeting

[4:02:05] with Mass DOT that they are, they allege

[4:02:08] they will be now considering a lower

[4:02:11] percentile. Um, but again, you'd have to

[4:02:13] do a speed study. and they're basing it

[4:02:16] on traffic engineers saying that most

[4:02:18] people travel on travel on a roadway at

[4:02:22] a a speed that they feel is safe and

[4:02:24] proper for that street. So, they look at

[4:02:26] what's the majority of the traffic

[4:02:28] doing, not the slowest car, but not the

[4:02:29] fastest car, and they would use that to

[4:02:32] set it. Um, that is outside of if you

[4:02:34] have a school zone, a school zone can be

[4:02:36] set differently at 25 miles an hour. Um,

[4:02:40] that would be a special speed

[4:02:42] regulation. We also have state

[4:02:44] statutory. So any of the roads in

[4:02:46] Danverse here that are not in color,

[4:02:47] that's the state statutory speed limit.

[4:02:50] So for most of Danverse, that'll be 30 m

[4:02:52] an hour would set all these roads. Um

[4:02:55] there are some that that has to do with

[4:02:58] how close the houses are together and

[4:03:00] for what distance. Um once you get into

[4:03:03] some of the open fields like the

[4:03:04] cornfields, that goes up to 40 and then

[4:03:07] some highways would default to default

[4:03:09] to 50. Um, there's another option beyond

[4:03:12] that that the town had looked at like

[4:03:14] the back bay area. There's a different

[4:03:16] version of thickly settled district

[4:03:18] which that sets any of the any of the

[4:03:20] streets. You can do it street by street

[4:03:22] or communitywide. Um, and that would set

[4:03:25] any of these streets that are not

[4:03:27] colored uh in different color schemes

[4:03:29] here. Um, would turn those into 25 mph

[4:03:32] speed zones. So, those are essentially

[4:03:34] the only three options. They do not let

[4:03:35] us go. We want this speed to be on this

[4:03:38] street for this for this reason. They

[4:03:40] would either a speed study state

[4:03:43] statutory or one of the two versions of

[4:03:45] thickly is all they give Excuse me for

[4:03:48] my I'm tired you know but um speed study

[4:03:51] like who does that or when does that get

[4:03:54] done or

[4:03:56] >> so it requires

[4:03:57] >> questions board members but just

[4:03:59] >> they

[4:04:01] from their own regular they they

[4:04:03] accepted the information that I gave

[4:04:04] them from um my so I have volume and um

[4:04:08] speed data for Dayton Street um if you followed their guidelines that

[4:04:14] did not meet their standard for a speed

[4:04:16] study you You have to have engineers

[4:04:17] that go out and like you have to live

[4:04:18] monitor traffic and count cars in

[4:04:21] addition to everything. There are a

[4:04:22] couple different things you have to do.

[4:04:23] They accepted our data for for Dayton

[4:04:26] Street. Um but that can be DTAC could

[4:04:30] put that together. We would work with

[4:04:31] the police engineers and mass DOT to get

[4:04:33] a speed study, but again they're

[4:04:35] hesitant to do it because most

[4:04:37] communities do find that if you're if

[4:04:40] the speed study comes back with the

[4:04:41] higher speed, they will increase the

[4:04:43] speed limit on that street.

[4:04:45] >> Oh, okay. So that's why you don't you

[4:04:48] will not find most communities going in

[4:04:49] that in that direction.

[4:04:51] >> Thank you. Thank you for the

[4:04:52] explanation.

[4:04:54] >> Thank you, Mr. Ch.

[4:04:55] >> Thank you. I think that's a crazy way to

[4:04:57] think.

[4:04:57] >> Crazy. Yeah.

[4:04:58] >> Yeah. Just go by whatever people are

[4:05:01] doing violating what's there and then

[4:05:04] just giving them more.

[4:05:06] Yeah. Anyway, sorry you you may proceed.

[4:05:10] >> And we are required. So there's there

[4:05:11] are lot we are required to follow mass

[4:05:14] DOT's engineering guidelines in setting

[4:05:17] speed limits. Um so we not only have to

[4:05:19] follow their engineering guidelines but

[4:05:21] also the signs we post the manual for

[4:05:22] uniform traffic control devices. They

[4:05:24] require what signs we can post where. Um

[4:05:27] thickly settled district the back bay

[4:05:29] area has always been yellow on black

[4:05:31] signs. They've just changed that. We got

[4:05:33] a grant to replace all of our signs to

[4:05:35] the typical black and white signs that

[4:05:36] most people recognize. Um, but it took

[4:05:38] years to get them to allow us to change

[4:05:41] the color of a speed limit sign.

[4:05:43] >> It's almost like, sorry, Mr. Chair, but

[4:05:45] it's almost like I can see Mass DOT like

[4:05:48] highways 114 95 major highways. It

[4:05:51] should be up to the chief of police and

[4:05:53] yourself to set the speed limits because

[4:05:56] you guys work

[4:05:57] >> exactly

[4:05:58] >> the town, right? You know, I mean, I'm

[4:06:00] going to say truthfully, even like 30,

[4:06:01] 35, some of them should be Jamie, like

[4:06:04] in our neighborhood, right? 20 25

[4:06:06] sometimes they should I mean wide

[4:06:08] streets people go fast you know but

[4:06:10] thank you sorry

[4:06:13] >> h so I think I left off so forest

[4:06:16] >> you were on forest

[4:06:18] >> forest street um we recommend that the

[4:06:21] um the speed uh special speed regulation

[4:06:23] is accepted um and we will install and

[4:06:26] update some signs in the GIS map so this

[4:06:28] essentially forest street has two

[4:06:29] different speed limits um the side by

[4:06:32] Hobart street is 30 the sign the side

[4:06:35] coming from uh Route 62 is 25. The map

[4:06:39] is a little bit off. It shows it just at

[4:06:41] St. Richard's. This house, everyone

[4:06:43] knows that it's the house with the

[4:06:44] chicken coop.

[4:06:44] >> Oh, yeah.

[4:06:45] >> The red house of the chicken coop. It

[4:06:47] actually ends just past it. So, we'll

[4:06:49] make sure the signs are appropriately

[4:06:51] placed and that this map is updated to

[4:06:52] show that's where the speed limits

[4:06:54] change.

[4:06:56] Uh Sherwood was one of the tricky ones.

[4:07:00] Um we were surprised to discover this.

[4:07:02] Uh, Sherwood in the field is posted end

[4:07:07] to end as 30 miles an hour. Um, the

[4:07:10] special speed regulation on Sherwood

[4:07:12] Street is 35 miles an hour. Um, so if we

[4:07:15] allow the speed if we if we keep the

[4:07:17] special speed regulation, we would be

[4:07:19] required to remove the 30s and put the

[4:07:21] 35s up. Um, I think the select board

[4:07:25] would be getting complaints from about a

[4:07:27] hundred or so residents here if they saw

[4:07:28] that happen. Um, so one of the

[4:07:31] workarounds is to resend this special

[4:07:33] speed regulation. That would default to

[4:07:35] the state statutory speed, which is 30.

[4:07:37] So essentially nothing would change on

[4:07:39] Sherwood. Um, I would just be required

[4:07:42] to the 30 mph signs. You have to get a

[4:07:44] little plaque that goes under them that

[4:07:47] notes which law we're referring to to

[4:07:50] make it which 30 we're referring to.

[4:07:53] Again, bank robbery was easier than

[4:07:56] speeding and parking. [laughter]

[4:07:58] Um

[4:07:58] >> I think the others are the same.

[4:08:00] >> Yeah. And also for us for it is

[4:08:01] problematic when we see you know we

[4:08:03] can't have officers

[4:08:05] if the the lawfully established speed

[4:08:07] limit is 35 and we're stopping but we

[4:08:10] think it's 30 or there's one street

[4:08:12] you'll see that it's it's posted at 30.

[4:08:14] It's really 40. That's if we stop those

[4:08:17] cars. It was an unlawful stop to begin

[4:08:19] with. Um if we arrest somebody and find

[4:08:22] evidence of crimes in their car that

[4:08:24] will be suppressed. um if we some

[4:08:27] traffic stops turn into um violent

[4:08:30] encounters with the police. If we get in

[4:08:31] a fight and that operator is hurt or one

[4:08:33] of our officers were hurt, it might

[4:08:35] later be found that the stop to begin

[4:08:38] with was unlawful. And I think those are

[4:08:40] the chief and I have had concerns over

[4:08:43] making sure these signs get updated to

[4:08:45] what they need to be if if we have to

[4:08:48] and then find some ways to lower the

[4:08:49] speeds where we can. But um so that was

[4:08:52] Sherwood. Old Burley is the one. And I

[4:08:54] know there's some dispute. Some people

[4:08:55] call it Old Burley, some people don't.

[4:08:58] Um, but Old Burley essentially has three

[4:09:00] different speed limits, which starts at

[4:09:02] 20 mph. Um, down by the airport, it goes

[4:09:05] up to 30 mph. And then this is where,

[4:09:09] um, just past Burley. Um, it is

[4:09:11] currently signed at 30. The special

[4:09:13] speed regulation from 1973 sets it at 40

[4:09:16] mph. [music]

[4:09:17] It's also posted at 30 when you come in

[4:09:20] from Winnham. So if we accept this

[4:09:22] special speed regulation, we would be

[4:09:23] required to post Oberly at 40. So again,

[4:09:27] a workaround for that is to resend this

[4:09:28] special speed regulation, it would then

[4:09:30] revote revert to the uh state statutory

[4:09:33] speed, which is 30. Um, so essentially

[4:09:36] nothing would change. I would just put a

[4:09:38] plaque below the speed limit sign, and

[4:09:40] nobody would have to know any different

[4:09:43] over

[4:09:44] what's going on there, and then we would

[4:09:46] change the map.

[4:09:48] Uh the same issue on Bradford. Bradford

[4:09:51] comes around the corner. Um it is again

[4:09:53] 20 here, 20 here, but then 30 here and

[4:09:56] 30 here. So if we rescend this special

[4:09:58] speed regulation, the entire the entire

[4:10:01] road from Winnham all the way straight

[4:10:03] down all the way down to Cabbat, that

[4:10:05] would all just be 30 m hour and you

[4:10:07] wouldn't have these little pockets of

[4:10:08] these random speed limits.

[4:10:13] Uh Dartmouth

[4:10:19] » [clears throat]

[4:10:22] » Dartmouth had a pocket at the end. So

[4:10:24] from number

[4:10:26] 17 to Colby drops down to 20 in one

[4:10:31] direction. Uh not really regulated in

[4:10:33] the opposite direction and then for the

[4:10:35] most the remainder of the street it is

[4:10:37] 30. So the recommendation was to make it

[4:10:39] simple. uh resend this special speed

[4:10:42] regulation in Dartmouth would be 30 end

[4:10:44] to end and I do believe that it's posted

[4:10:46] at 30. We wouldn't have to change

[4:10:48] anything.

[4:10:52] Princeton Street goes from

[4:10:56] the intersection of Trinity. It starts

[4:10:59] off at 20. It jumps up to 30. It goes to

[4:11:04] the intersection of Dartmouth. And then

[4:11:05] it drops back down to 20 again for one,

[4:11:08] two, three, four, five houses and then

[4:11:10] it goes back up to 30. Um, I have no

[4:11:14] idea how this came about. Mass DOT did

[4:11:18] not like the mid unless you have some

[4:11:21] there was a if we could argue there was

[4:11:23] a hospital there or something. We needed

[4:11:25] um they recommend having one speed limit

[4:11:28] for the the length of the street which

[4:11:31] would the easiest way to accomplish that

[4:11:33] is again resend this one. it would be

[4:11:35] state statutory thickly settled at 30.

[4:11:38] Um the street is currently posted at 30.

[4:11:40] So nothing would change. Um we would

[4:11:42] change the map and then put that special

[4:11:44] little plaque under it to note which

[4:11:45] lobby we're referring to.

[4:11:52] Appleton Broad and Rainbow.

[4:11:55] Oops. Oh, now I've done it.

[4:12:06] Um, Mass DOT noted and this this is

[4:12:08] probably true that at some point in

[4:12:10] history you could drive from these

[4:12:12] streets to Endicott Street. This is now

[4:12:14] closed off. You can no longer get to

[4:12:15] this location. So, they wanted to know

[4:12:17] why we have so many multiple different

[4:12:19] speed limits here. Um, portions of it

[4:12:21] are 20, portions of it are 25. Um, there

[4:12:25] are some signs. We thought the easiest

[4:12:27] way is just ask mass DOT to ensure the

[4:12:31] special speed regulation matches what

[4:12:32] this map says. We're not changing any

[4:12:34] speeds. Um and we will just make sure

[4:12:36] the correct signs are in the correct

[4:12:38] locations, but there'll be no

[4:12:40] essentially there'll be no changes for

[4:12:41] this neighborhood.

[4:12:46] Uh Brad Street A

[4:12:49] is another street. Uh

[4:12:53] the top of it in one direction is 25.

[4:12:55] The majority of Brad Street is 30 and

[4:12:58] then the bottom portion of one side of

[4:13:01] the street is 25. So again, the

[4:13:03] recommendation is to have a consistent

[4:13:05] speed limit for the length of the

[4:13:06] street. Uh resend this special speed

[4:13:08] regulation. The street would default to

[4:13:10] the state statutory 30 m hour. It is

[4:13:12] currently posted at 30 m hour. So

[4:13:14] nothing would change with that street.

[4:13:21] Prince and garden.

[4:13:28] You must be impressed that I can find

[4:13:29] these these quickly on this map. Right.

[4:13:31] So, Prince and Garden Mass DOT. So,

[4:13:34] currently um so Prince Street um at the

[4:13:37] intersection of Center is um 20 mph. Um

[4:13:42] it does not continue on Prince. It turns

[4:13:44] left at 20 onto Garden Street and then

[4:13:46] ends two houses down. Mass DOT asked

[4:13:49] what what was the reason for this? we

[4:13:50] don't really have a reason. So they

[4:13:52] simply asked that this street remain the

[4:13:55] same. So Prince from center to the

[4:13:57] intersection of garden would be 20 and

[4:13:59] end there and then uh garden street in

[4:14:02] its length would be 30. Um that is

[4:14:04] currently I believe how it's posted. So

[4:14:06] we would just update the map and make

[4:14:08] sure the signs had the correct plaques.

[4:14:10] This section here is the only part that

[4:14:12] would change.

[4:14:15] And then Beaver Park is done correctly.

[4:14:17] We don't need any signs, map or uh or

[4:14:19] language changes,

[4:14:21] >> Lieutenant.

[4:14:21] >> Okay.

[4:14:22] >> So, they did require in order to fix

[4:14:24] Dayton Street, we had to address the

[4:14:26] rest of these. The residents have been

[4:14:27] very patient with us, but this is why it

[4:14:30] took so long. Uh street department,

[4:14:32] engineering department, and the police

[4:14:33] department have worked on gathering all

[4:14:36] of this information for the past few

[4:14:38] months to put it together for you.

[4:14:39] >> Jeez.

[4:14:40] >> Thank you. Thank you. Uh so, board

[4:14:44] members, question. Yes. Remember Bean?

[4:14:46] >> Just a quick question. Do you think all

[4:14:47] these are you going to have a sale on 20

[4:14:49] mph sign first? [laughter] That's the

[4:14:51] first thing.

[4:14:51] >> I should have been in the flashing light

[4:14:53] and sign business. One sign on Dayton

[4:14:55] Street, one illuminated speed limit

[4:14:56] sign. It's just a speed limit sign that

[4:14:58] lights up. Radio Shack, it's $1,500.

[4:15:01] >> Wow.

[4:15:02] >> Do you think some of these uh sign the

[4:15:05] speed changes were made

[4:15:08] >> by neighbor complaints back back in the

[4:15:11] day? Do you think that the town was just

[4:15:14] >> I would assume there was a probably a

[4:15:16] point in time where somebody could just

[4:15:17] call somebody and say they're going too

[4:15:18] fast. Put up a sign.

[4:15:19] >> Yeah.

[4:15:20] >> Um and that's just what got done.

[4:15:22] >> Yeah.

[4:15:23] >> That's all. Thank you.

[4:15:24] >> Okay. Thank you. Member Trust.

[4:15:27] >> No, I I very thorough and I appreciate

[4:15:29] all the work that went into this to make

[4:15:31] Dayton people happy because I have some

[4:15:34] friends on Dayton Street and I've heard

[4:15:35] their concerns for quite a while. So,

[4:15:38] it's good. Thank you. Thank you.

[4:15:41] >> Member Bennett.

[4:15:42] >> Uh, Lieutenant Sullivan, we've been

[4:15:45] discussing these streets for years.

[4:15:47] Thank you for finally getting this done.

[4:15:51] » Member Bernard,

[4:15:52] >> good job. I just don't understand it.

[4:15:54] [laughter]

[4:15:55] >> No, I understand what you're saying, but

[4:15:56] I don't understand the difference in the

[4:15:58] speeds with the streets and 1973. Maybe

[4:16:02] we should change.

[4:16:04] >> No, maybe they should change like we've

[4:16:05] changed the town meeting directing it.

[4:16:07] [laughter] You know what I'm saying?

[4:16:08] since 1973. Does Mass DOT even come and

[4:16:11] drive these streets? Probably not.

[4:16:13] >> No, they go by your by whatever you

[4:16:16] >> Good job. You did a great presentation.

[4:16:18] >> So, um, are we open to taking this as a

[4:16:22] slate?

[4:16:23] >> Yes.

[4:16:23] >> Are we Do we want to carve anything out?

[4:16:26] I see a consensus here. Take it as a

[4:16:28] slate. Okay. I'll entertain a motion.

[4:16:31] >> Motion to approve the slate.

[4:16:34] >> You have words you want.

[4:16:36] >> Um, no. I mean I think

[4:16:39] >> no yeah

[4:16:40] >> um I don't think I have a

[4:16:42] >> as presented I think

[4:16:43] >> yeah just approved the slate as

[4:16:44] presented um

[4:16:46] >> be happy to say let's approve the slate

[4:16:49] as presented by Lieutenant Sullivan

[4:16:52] >> second

[4:16:52] >> still lieutenant right

[4:16:53] >> yes

[4:16:54] >> yeah any any further discussion

[4:16:56] >> motion right here

[4:16:59] >> none okay so I got a motion and a

[4:17:02] seconded all those in favor say I

[4:17:04] >> I

[4:17:06] AL.

[4:17:07] >> Thank you so much.

[4:17:08] >> Thank you, Lieutenant.

[4:17:09] >> Thank you,

[4:17:10] >> Mr. Chair. If I may, just I want to make

[4:17:11] sure I say this out loud for clarity.

[4:17:13] Um, we talked earlier about the notice

[4:17:16] requirements. So, the changes you made

[4:17:18] on local regulations is governed by Mass

[4:17:21] General Law, Chapter 40, Section 22

[4:17:24] that reads, uh, such rules and orders

[4:17:26] shall not take effect until they have

[4:17:28] been published at least once in a

[4:17:30] newspaper published in the city, town,

[4:17:33] or country. This section references

[4:17:35] chapter 90, section 18, which reiterates

[4:17:37] that a one-time newspaper notice is

[4:17:39] required to adopt or resend some speed

[4:17:42] limits, parking, all that kind of stuff.

[4:17:43] So, I just want to make it clear, we

[4:17:45] have to publish in the newspaper

[4:17:46] everything we did tonight, both um Park

[4:17:51] Street and these and then get to work on

[4:17:54] the posting.

[4:17:55] >> Okay. Thank you.

[4:18:01] » Okay. Was that the end of the agenda?

[4:18:03] >> Nope.

[4:18:05] >> [laughter]

[4:18:06] >> Nope.

[4:18:10] » Madame clerk,

[4:18:13] [laughter]

[4:18:15] » the town clerk will provide an update on

[4:18:18] the November 3rd, 2026 state election

[4:18:20] and request votes to set early voting

[4:18:22] location and confirm warrant details.

[4:18:25] >> Thank you. way.

[4:18:27] >> So, in I in your packet, I sent you, uh,

[4:18:30] a memo, and on that memo, I have some

[4:18:33] information. So, um, election day is

[4:18:36] Tuesday, November 3rd at Danvers High

[4:18:38] School from 7:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Uh,

[4:18:41] this is the state election. The ballot

[4:18:44] is two pages based and based on nine

[4:18:46] questions. So, I don't usually give you

[4:18:48] a copy of the the ballot, but I did in

[4:18:51] this case, just so we've never had a

[4:18:53] two-page ballot, as far as I know. Um,

[4:18:56] so I'm giving you a sample of the two

[4:18:58] pages. So, um, it is they're called

[4:19:02] cards. So, the first page of the ballot

[4:19:04] is card one. The second page is going to

[4:19:07] be called card two.

[4:19:09] Um, so when voters come in, when they

[4:19:13] get their ballot in the mail, it's two

[4:19:15] pages. So, when they come in to vote,

[4:19:18] whether it be early voting or at the

[4:19:20] polls on election day, they'll check in

[4:19:23] like they normally do, the pole worker

[4:19:25] will hand them two ballots, two separate

[4:19:28] pages, and they'll have to return those

[4:19:30] two separate pages at the checkout

[4:19:32] table. One of the things that we're

[4:19:34] envisioning is going to be a problem is

[4:19:37] the nine questions. And what we want to

[4:19:39] try to do is to get voters to be

[4:19:42] prepared before they get to the poll. um

[4:19:45] so that they're not tying up the voting

[4:19:48] booth.

[4:19:49] Um also in your packet, so tomorrow um I

[4:19:53] wanted to get through tonight first

[4:19:55] before we posted um a couple of things

[4:19:58] on social media. So um you've got the

[4:20:01] ballot and then uh my assistant over

[4:20:03] there, the town manager is holding up um

[4:20:06] >> Diana White. Yeah,

[4:20:07] >> Mary Beth uh Mary Beth Very did that uh

[4:20:11] flyer and that's going to be part of the

[4:20:13] social media and this this is our effort

[4:20:16] to um get it out there to the voters

[4:20:19] that it's important that you're taking

[4:20:20] the time to review the red book to know

[4:20:23] what your choices are going to be so

[4:20:25] that you're prepared when you go. So for

[4:20:28] early voting um we're going to have or

[4:20:31] we have in the lobby right now a sign

[4:20:33] like the one to the left of the door. Uh

[4:20:35] there's a table in the lobby with chairs

[4:20:38] and some red books. And then there's

[4:20:40] also a checklist sheet that's also

[4:20:43] included as the last page of that red

[4:20:46] book. So you have that in your red book,

[4:20:48] but then we're going to have some of

[4:20:49] these separate pages. Uh we're going to

[4:20:52] give people a space at early voting in

[4:20:55] person and on election day at the

[4:20:57] fieldhouse. There'll be some tables in

[4:20:59] the lobby of the fieldhouse. Uh, and

[4:21:02] we're going to encourage voters to

[4:21:03] either prepare at home or take the time

[4:21:06] to prepare in the lobby before you come

[4:21:10] into the the fieldhouse. Um, otherwise

[4:21:14] the it's going to get all backed up and

[4:21:16] you're going to have people standing in

[4:21:17] the booth for ever because what there's

[4:21:20] nine questions. Uh, so we want people to

[4:21:24] be prepared for that and we're doing the

[4:21:25] best we can to get that word out. We've

[4:21:27] got these um the red books, the

[4:21:29] checklists are in the clerk's office.

[4:21:31] We've got them in the lobby. Uh we're

[4:21:33] going to put social media um bursts

[4:21:35] tomorrow.

[4:21:38] Uh and then what else do I have here? Um

[4:21:42] >> talk about the dates.

[4:21:44] >> The dates Nove

[4:21:47] trying to get through the rest of this

[4:21:48] other stuff I have here too. Wait a

[4:21:50] minute. Let's see the voter guide. Um,

[4:21:52] we do, uh, voters are encouraged to

[4:21:54] check your voting status to make sure

[4:21:56] that you are registered to vote and you

[4:21:58] can do that on mass.gov and then you

[4:22:00] search election division. Um, there are

[4:22:03] still some inactive voters that did not

[4:22:06] return the census. So you if you are

[4:22:10] inactive, you would be asked to show

[4:22:12] proof of a residency, which could be a

[4:22:15] driver's license or something else. So

[4:22:17] you want to check that status before you

[4:22:19] get to the poll. Uh, and then if you've

[4:22:23] done vote by mail,

[4:22:25] um, we have, uh, mailed out as of today,

[4:22:29] 4,519

[4:22:31] ballots have gone out to voters. So,

[4:22:34] those are all the requests that came in

[4:22:36] through today.

[4:22:37] >> Uh, so if you have requested a ballot,

[4:22:39] it should be coming in the next couple

[4:22:41] of days. And you can check the status of

[4:22:44] your ballot on that election division

[4:22:46] site as well. So, it would say if you

[4:22:48] went on there and you clicked and you

[4:22:50] put your information, it would tell you

[4:22:52] that the ballot has been mailed. Uh, and

[4:22:54] then when you send the ballot back and

[4:22:55] we process it, it will say that the

[4:22:57] ballot has been received. So, that you

[4:22:59] would know you're all set. Uh, let's

[4:23:02] see. The last day to register to vote is

[4:23:05] the second Saturday of early voting,

[4:23:08] which is going to be Saturday, October

[4:23:09] 24th.

[4:23:11] Um, let's see. you can still return your

[4:23:14] vote by mail card and we're still

[4:23:16] processing out mailed ballots. Um, one

[4:23:19] of the I need a couple of motions

[4:23:21] tonight. So, early voting for this

[4:23:23] election is going to run for two weeks.

[4:23:25] So, it's going to start on Saturday,

[4:23:27] October 17th. And we're going to have

[4:23:30] two Saturdays, the 17th and the 24th

[4:23:33] from 10:00 a.m. to 4 pm. And then for

[4:23:36] those two weeks from the 17th of October

[4:23:39] through Friday, October 30th,

[4:23:42] it'll be during regular business hours

[4:23:44] in this room in the TUMI room. So voters

[4:23:47] can come um and vote in person during

[4:23:50] that time as well. So, I would like a

[4:23:53] motion, if I could, and I think I've got

[4:23:55] a potential motion on there to um

[4:23:58] approve the uh designate town hall as

[4:24:01] the early voting location at the hours.

[4:24:04] And I want to have that by roll call if

[4:24:05] I could.

[4:24:06] >> Sure.

[4:24:07] So, moved.

[4:24:09] >> Well, do you you want the words? You can

[4:24:11] just um if you the the proposed motion,

[4:24:14] you don't have to list all the different

[4:24:15] days, but if you just read

[4:24:16] >> I make a motion to designate Town Hall

[4:24:18] One Silven Street as the early voting

[4:24:20] location for the November 3rd, 2026

[4:24:23] state election from October 17th, 2026

[4:24:26] through October 30th, 2026 during

[4:24:29] regular business hours as well as

[4:24:31] Saturday, October 17th and Sunday,

[4:24:34] October 24th between

[4:24:35] >> and Saturday,

[4:24:36] >> I'm sorry, and Saturday, October 24th

[4:24:38] between 10:00 a.m. in 4 p.m. on these

[4:24:41] Saturdays as presented in the table as

[4:24:44] will be published.

[4:24:45] >> Thank you. [snorts]

[4:24:47] >> And second then

[4:24:49] >> second.

[4:24:49] >> Okay.

[4:24:50] And then

[4:24:52] >> any further discussions

[4:24:54] hear none. Okay. I'll do a roll call

[4:24:56] vote. Member Task.

[4:24:57] >> Yes.

[4:24:58] >> Member Bean.

[4:24:59] >> Yes.

[4:25:00] >> Member Bennett.

[4:25:00] >> Yes.

[4:25:01] >> Member Bernard.

[4:25:02] >> Yes.

[4:25:03] >> And I'm Yes.

[4:25:04] >> Thank you. And then the one other uh

[4:25:06] motion that I'd like tonight by roll

[4:25:08] call as well. Um I need to post the

[4:25:11] warrant. Uh if you designate me to do

[4:25:14] that, I will arrange and facilitate to

[4:25:16] post the warrant based on the state

[4:25:18] prepared ballot.

[4:25:22] >> Now I entertain a motion. I make a

[4:25:23] motion to designate the town clerk to

[4:25:26] prepare and facilitate the posting of

[4:25:28] the warrant for November 3rd, 2026 state

[4:25:32] election based on the state prepared

[4:25:34] ballot.

[4:25:35] >> Do I have a second?

[4:25:36] >> Second.

[4:25:38] >> Okay, I'll take another roll call vote.

[4:25:40] Member Bernard,

[4:25:41] >> yes.

[4:25:42] >> Member Bennett,

[4:25:43] >> yes.

[4:25:43] >> Member Bean,

[4:25:44] >> yes.

[4:25:45] >> Member Tra,

[4:25:46] >> yes.

[4:25:46] >> And I'm Yes.

[4:25:47] >> Thank you. Uh, and I don't know if

[4:25:49] anybody I know it's getting kind of

[4:25:51] late. If anybody has any questions about

[4:25:53] the election, I'm happy to answer.

[4:25:54] >> Questions, comments,

[4:25:58] » and I do have

[4:26:00] >> I do have um registar Wally Typer has

[4:26:03] sat here all night just to listen to the

[4:26:05] election piece.

[4:26:07] >> Member Bean,

[4:26:09] >> I think Wally should get up and tell us

[4:26:10] about the election rules.

[4:26:13] [laughter]

[4:26:14] >> Member to ask.

[4:26:16] >> Don't rush.

[4:26:17] >> Okay. Just keep running good elections.

[4:26:19] >> Thank you.

[4:26:20] I appreciate that. Are we

[4:26:23] ready?

[4:26:23] >> Yes.

[4:26:25] >> Um,

[4:26:26] >> next item on the agenda,

[4:26:29] >> the town manager will report to the

[4:26:30] board on various items of interest.

[4:26:33] >> Well, thank you. Um, I want to start by

[4:26:35] thanking Lieutenant Sullivan and all the

[4:26:37] members of the DTAC uh committee. they

[4:26:40] work very hard and um I as we look into

[4:26:44] parking enforcement and parking how we

[4:26:46] handle parking in general in the

[4:26:48] community also I think it is that it's

[4:26:50] important for us to take some time to

[4:26:51] think about um how we handle the the

[4:26:53] transportation advisory committee um how

[4:26:56] much staff time goes into each one of

[4:26:57] these issues so we will happily engage

[4:26:59] in that conversation with you and thank

[4:27:01] you Lieutenant Sullivan and and the team

[4:27:03] at DTAC um okay so I will try to go

[4:27:07] quickly so I'll start with a power

[4:27:09] supply rate. On September 25th, 2026,

[4:27:13] the municipal light board discussed the

[4:27:14] electric rates regarding the purchase

[4:27:16] power and fuel adjustment charge. The

[4:27:19] PPFA, as they call it, will require a

[4:27:22] rate increase of 0.016 per kilowatt hour

[4:27:25] effective October 6, that's today. The

[4:27:28] average residential electric bill based

[4:27:30] on average usage of 750 kW per month,

[4:27:33] will increase by approximately 9.8% 8%

[4:27:37] which equates to a monthly cost increase

[4:27:39] of approximately $11.95.

[4:27:42] Uh we have a lot to be grateful for also

[4:27:47] this week. So uh cultural council

[4:27:50] appointments. I want to big shout out to

[4:27:52] Phil Bulldock. He's been doing a ton of

[4:27:54] work to recruit for the cultural

[4:27:55] council. If you're not familiar with um

[4:27:57] our local cultural council, they bring

[4:27:59] in uh state grant funding and that then

[4:28:02] goes out to um small nonprofits or

[4:28:05] individuals who are bringing cultural

[4:28:06] activities into the community. He needed

[4:28:08] additional appointees. So, I recently

[4:28:11] met with and appointed um and I

[4:28:13] apologize if I mess up people's names,

[4:28:15] Steve Griezdorf, Liz Bernazani, did I

[4:28:20] get that one right? [snorts] And Lucy

[4:28:22] Desmond. Um, so all of those meetings, I

[4:28:25] meet these people obviously before um I

[4:28:26] appoint them. There's a lot of great

[4:28:28] energy around that and I think that um

[4:28:30] if you're not involved with the local

[4:28:32] cultural council, check it out because I

[4:28:34] think it's getting some great new

[4:28:35] energy. Um I want to congratulate uh

[4:28:39] Rodney Connley and his team in finance.

[4:28:41] The town has been awarded the Government

[4:28:43] Finance Officers Association's

[4:28:46] Distinguished Budget Presentation Award

[4:28:48] for the sixth consecutive year. The

[4:28:50] award signifies the town's continued

[4:28:52] commitment to having our budget serve as

[4:28:54] a policy document, financial plan, and a

[4:28:56] communications device. So, congrats to

[4:28:58] the to the budget team.

[4:29:01] Um, we have uh recently been notified of

[4:29:05] three grant awards, which um I'm pleased

[4:29:09] to announce. One, thank you to the

[4:29:11] police and your team. We have been

[4:29:13] awarded a road safety grant of $38,400.

[4:29:17] Um, I won't go into the details of what

[4:29:19] each of those, but it's road safety and

[4:29:21] everything we talked about here tonight.

[4:29:23] Um, we have received a Seapport Economic

[4:29:26] Council grant for $749,440

[4:29:29] for the um, sampling and permitting and

[4:29:33] um, continued kind of prep work for what

[4:29:35] may ultimately be a dredging project. Um

[4:29:38] and we also received um a community

[4:29:43] planning grant for $25,000 for the next

[4:29:46] stage next phase of the endocott street

[4:29:48] visioning um project that's going on. So

[4:29:52] lots of lots of good things going on um

[4:29:55] with the support of our partners at the

[4:29:56] state. I want to reference just to

[4:29:59] highlight for the board and for the

[4:30:00] public that the October permitting

[4:30:02] update is out. You can find it on the

[4:30:04] website on the planning page and I

[4:30:05] always share it with the board um that

[4:30:08] gives you updates on what's happening at

[4:30:10] uh the land use boards

[4:30:12] and uh some great events that are coming

[4:30:15] up. Uh on Thursday, the Danvers Fire

[4:30:19] Department has their open house. Um

[4:30:22] that's what I referred to earlier. They

[4:30:24] hope to have those shirts back in for

[4:30:26] sale. Um pizza, kids are welcome. Um

[4:30:29] they do the smoke trailer and things

[4:30:31] like that. So, it's a great event. If

[4:30:32] you haven't been, please visit the

[4:30:35] Danvers Fire Department. Um, the police

[4:30:38] department is uh also has a ton going on

[4:30:42] this week. So, October 7th is coffee

[4:30:44] with a cop from 3 to 7 at the Target at

[4:30:47] Liberty Tree Mall. Um October 11th at

[4:30:51] 10:50 10:15 officers will be present at

[4:30:53] St. Mary's for their morning mass

[4:30:55] followed by a coffee hour as part of

[4:30:57] their Faith and Blue weekend. The Faith

[4:30:59] and Blue initiative promotes

[4:31:00] partnerships between faith communities

[4:31:02] and law enforcement.

[4:31:04] And October 22nd uh at 4:00, the police

[4:31:09] have pumpkin painting with the police at

[4:31:11] the police station. Um so just Oh, and I

[4:31:14] want to thank Public Power, Danver's

[4:31:15] Electric, they just had their open house

[4:31:18] um to kick off public power week last

[4:31:20] week. Um also an incredible turnout.

[4:31:22] They think it was a a record turnout

[4:31:25] actually. in um when I went down to

[4:31:27] visit there, it basically was a parade

[4:31:28] of children behind me trying cuz they

[4:31:30] all wanted to get down cuz they could

[4:31:32] see the bucket truck going up and down.

[4:31:34] Um so just really exemplifies how

[4:31:36] accessible the team here in Danver is

[4:31:38] and I hope that all the residents take

[4:31:40] advantage to get to know um the people that work with you and for

[4:31:45] you in this town. And lastly, I have um

[4:31:49] started my precinct meetings. Two weeks

[4:31:51] ago, we did precincts seven and 8, and

[4:31:54] last week we did precincts three and

[4:31:55] five. The attendance has been great. Um,

[4:31:58] we're getting at least half of the town

[4:32:00] meeting members from each of those

[4:32:01] precincts. I'd love to see more. I see

[4:32:03] some of them who are here in the

[4:32:05] audience. Um,

[4:32:07] so I invite you this week, I'm going to

[4:32:09] get it wrong. This week we're at Smith

[4:32:11] School um from 6:30 to 8. Uh, there it's

[4:32:15] a great opportunity for town meeting

[4:32:17] members to come. We do a mapping

[4:32:19] exercise where you can really talk to us

[4:32:20] about your neighborhood, have these

[4:32:22] conversations about streets and and

[4:32:24] safety um and things like that as well

[4:32:27] as um provide a lot of tools to town

[4:32:30] meeting members to help them be prepared

[4:32:32] leading into special town meeting um in

[4:32:34] February. So, please join us the this

[4:32:37] Thursday at Smith School and then the

[4:32:39] following Thursday and we'll be done.

[4:32:41] >> Which precincts is that this week? It's

[4:32:43] four. I know it's four.

[4:32:44] >> Four and six.

[4:32:46] Like if we did three and five. Yes, that

[4:32:48] leaves one and two for the last one.

[4:32:50] >> Okay, [laughter]

[4:32:51] >> thank you. Uh any questions for the town

[4:32:53] manager?

[4:32:55] >> I had a question. What was how much was

[4:32:56] that community planning granted and

[4:32:59] vision?

[4:33:00] >> 25,000.

[4:33:01] >> Right. Thank you. That's it.

[4:33:04] >> Member Betty.

[4:33:05] >> No, I'm good.

[4:33:06] >> Member Bean,

[4:33:07] >> a quick question. Did you say there was

[4:33:09] a $750,000 grant for the river

[4:33:12] >> for Yes. Seore economic council? It's

[4:33:15] the um the um soil sampling and

[4:33:19] continuing to move through permitting

[4:33:22] if we move towards dredging of the grant

[4:33:24] which is a larger financial discussion.

[4:33:26] >> Wow. Thank you.

[4:33:27] >> Mhm.

[4:33:28] >> Member Task.

[4:33:29] >> No questions for the time manager.

[4:33:31] >> Perfect.

[4:33:31] >> Thank you.

[4:33:32] very much.

[4:33:33] >> Thank you.

[4:33:34] >> Madam Clerk,

[4:33:36] >> the board will consider consent calendar

[4:33:38] items as they appear below.

[4:33:40] >> Motion to approve. Second. Any

[4:33:43] discussions? All those in favor say I.

[4:33:47] >> I.

[4:33:48] >> Thank you.

[4:33:49] >> Correspondents, select board new

[4:33:51] business, previous new public business

[4:33:53] updates, and select board closing

[4:33:55] comments.

[4:33:56] >> Okay. Uh, member Bennett, and I'll come

[4:33:58] back to you at the end there.

[4:34:00] >> Um, I have nothing to offer this

[4:34:02] evening.

[4:34:03] >> Thank you, Member Bernard.

[4:34:06] >> Um, no, it was a great meeting. Um,

[4:34:09] we're down to a lot of business again, I

[4:34:11] think. Um, you know, uh, your wife

[4:34:13] getting up was unbelievable. You're a

[4:34:15] good husband, too. You know, she's lucky

[4:34:17] to have you. Good team. Um,

[4:34:19] >> I heard that.

[4:34:20] >> Yeah. [laughter] Um, she told me to say

[4:34:23] that. No, I'm kidding. Um, I just want

[4:34:25] to make people aware about, um, they've

[4:34:27] probably heard on the news about the d

[4:34:29] the governor declared the state of

[4:34:30] energy emergency, the executive order.

[4:34:33] So, there's I don't want to say um,

[4:34:35] reach out to uh, you know, www.mmass.gov

[4:34:39] gov to try to find if there's some money

[4:34:42] available for heat and electric bills,

[4:34:44] too. And maybe we could have Clint come

[4:34:46] in sometime and talk about, you know, um

[4:34:49] why the increase with the electric and

[4:34:52] how can people save and um because there

[4:34:55] was something on there about um lowering

[4:34:58] their heat and electric bills this

[4:34:59] winter. You know, as everybody know, um

[4:35:02] I mean, you go to the gas station,

[4:35:03] right? people are seeing the the impact

[4:35:05] of the war in Iran every time they fill

[4:35:07] up with their gas taking place. Um you

[4:35:10] know for the heat and oil and when you

[4:35:12] open up your electric bill as she just

[4:35:14] said it's go everything seems to be

[4:35:16] going up too. So every family deserves a

[4:35:19] warm safe home. There's Citizens Energy

[4:35:21] with Joe Kennedy. Um you know right now

[4:35:25] the statistics are saying 608 a gallon

[4:35:28] heat and oil versus $3.52 last year.

[4:35:31] That's a 73% increase. Um so and then 60

[4:35:36] there's all kinds of formulas. What it's

[4:35:38] trying to do from what I [cough]

[4:35:39] understand I just heard it late at night

[4:35:41] too is that um they're trying to help

[4:35:44] the middle class more now too where

[4:35:45] before it was more low income people but

[4:35:48] now it's um naturally it goes by income

[4:35:50] guidelines things like that.

[4:35:52] >> A question on that.

[4:35:52] >> Yeah,

[4:35:53] >> that sounds great. But is it just for

[4:35:55] oil heat?

[4:35:56] >> Oil and heat. So what I'm I'm sorry oil.

[4:35:59] It says oil and electric bills,

[4:36:00] >> right? Oil is about 24% of the people

[4:36:04] use it. 50 odd% use gas.

[4:36:06] >> Yeah, I know. But

[4:36:07] >> anything for gas people?

[4:36:08] >> I It didn't say gas.

[4:36:10] >> No, and then there said the the smart

[4:36:12] program on residential. Um she's trying

[4:36:14] to eliminate that smart program uh with

[4:36:17] the electric bills for three months. Um

[4:36:19] so that's something um you know just look at go to mass.govheating

[4:36:25] help you know for people for the

[4:36:27] residents out there. any anything we can

[4:36:29] do and you know I worry I work in Lynn I

[4:36:32] see a lot of you know families you know

[4:36:35] it's going to be mittens and gloves and

[4:36:37] coat drives food pantry Kowanas does a

[4:36:40] lot too um so anything we can do as a

[4:36:43] community to help you know our residents

[4:36:46] here too and the surrounding communities

[4:36:47] but that's it thank you

[4:36:49] >> thank you very much member Bean

[4:36:53] >> um I can't Moren used up all my minutes

[4:36:56] [laughter]

[4:36:56] >> sorry Wait, let me get the timer.

[4:36:58] >> I got a second.

[4:36:58] >> Let me start the timer.

[4:37:00] >> Uh, no. I actually do not have anything

[4:37:02] to say about that.

[4:37:02] >> Thank you. Member T.

[4:37:04] >> Uh, we I got the same correspondence

[4:37:07] everybody did, I'm sure. Um, um, but I,

[4:37:10] uh, as a member as the liaison to the,

[4:37:13] um, [clears throat] accessibility

[4:37:15] commission. Uh, I want to remind people

[4:37:18] that I don't know if it's before our

[4:37:20] next meeting or not, but the human

[4:37:22] library event is going to be happening

[4:37:23] on Saturday, October 17th from 10:00

[4:37:25] a.m. to 1:00 p.m. Um, this is an

[4:37:28] opportunity to meet with um live books,

[4:37:32] live people who are uh are there to

[4:37:34] discuss various topics that you may have

[4:37:37] interest in understanding, better

[4:37:38] understanding their life experience. So,

[4:37:41] I encourage you to look for the flyers,

[4:37:43] look for the poster boards, look for the

[4:37:45] um I know there's a Facebook events

[4:37:47] being posted about this uh and look to

[4:37:50] DECAT as well uh for more information.

[4:37:52] Um and I'm just I can't remember whether

[4:37:55] it's before or after our next meeting.

[4:37:56] So, I don't want to miss the course. I'm

[4:37:57] glad

[4:37:58] >> before. Okay. So, um it's a free event.

[4:38:01] uh people are uh welcome to go and uh

[4:38:04] there'll be a number of people talking

[4:38:05] about their life experiences to help for

[4:38:08] a for better understanding. Um so we

[4:38:11] welcome that. I did attend also uh the

[4:38:14] recent river committee. It was very

[4:38:15] interesting to get back on after so many

[4:38:18] years um and enjoyed it immensely. And

[4:38:22] um I think that's all I have to report

[4:38:23] from uh from that end. Thank you. Uh I

[4:38:26] do I'm sorry. I do have one other

[4:38:27] comment and I don't want to leave it to

[4:38:30] uh to Mr. Bennett to defend himself uh

[4:38:34] necessarily, but earlier there was a

[4:38:37] statement made by a member of the public

[4:38:38] that alluded to the fact that he may

[4:38:41] have been speaking as a select board

[4:38:42] member or offering a position to the

[4:38:45] board. He was not. I saw the show. He

[4:38:48] specifically and intently told us all

[4:38:51] that he was speaking as a citizen. So if

[4:38:54] there was any illusion to that, I wish

[4:38:57] it uh I want it to be dispelled. I

[4:39:00] understand new business, we take new

[4:39:01] business and not necessarily respond.

[4:39:04] I'm not responding to that person. That

[4:39:06] person's no longer here in the room, but

[4:39:08] I want the clarity to be there and not

[4:39:11] wait for the next two weeks.

[4:39:13] >> Okay. Thank you. And and just a quick

[4:39:16] point on that. I I mean

[4:39:18] I don't the reason why I didn't want to

[4:39:21] proceed number one because it was new

[4:39:22] business but number two because the

[4:39:25] video spoke for itself. Um people can

[4:39:29] make it what they may. Anyone can watch

[4:39:31] it. It was very clear what he said, how

[4:39:34] he said it, what he the intent was.

[4:39:37] People will have their own

[4:39:38] interpretation and you could say he

[4:39:40] wasn't he was I don't think it would

[4:39:42] change some people's mind. So there was

[4:39:44] no need to engage in public business

[4:39:46] about that given the fact that the video

[4:39:49] is there for everyone to see and clearly

[4:39:52] understand what he said. So the video

[4:39:54] spoke for itself. Thank you. Um now as

[4:40:00] far as the so that was the the next

[4:40:03] meeting do we I know there were couple

[4:40:06] of select board members that were not

[4:40:09] going to be

[4:40:11] >> had some scheduling conflict. Yeah,

[4:40:13] there is a scheduling conflict because

[4:40:15] there's an annual meeting for the real

[4:40:16] estate board. It's always been a

[4:40:18] Thursday. This year they picked a

[4:40:20] Tuesday. Um both uh fellow select board

[4:40:24] me myself have been invited. I told them

[4:40:28] I can't go because of select board

[4:40:30] meeting. However, if you could change it

[4:40:33] to Thursday,

[4:40:36] then we could attend. But Moren, that's

[4:40:38] up to her if she wants to. I mean that

[4:40:40] would be good to either you know I mean

[4:40:42] we've gone in the past you know

[4:40:45] naturally this is our priority but if we

[4:40:47] could move it that would help us.

[4:40:50] >> Yeah.

[4:40:50] >> You know

[4:40:51] >> so will I have no problem with attending

[4:40:54] the 22nd. It's the night of the

[4:40:55] accessibility commission meeting but I'm

[4:40:57] sure they'll understand.

[4:41:00] >> Yeah. I mean either on Monday the 19th

[4:41:03] >> Oh Monday the 19th is free for me. the

[4:41:05] 19th might even be better D if if that's

[4:41:08] better with everybody.

[4:41:09] >> Whatever you like.

[4:41:10] >> Yeah.

[4:41:11] >> Right.

[4:41:14] » But my only thought was um

[4:41:17] two things. Number one was I know staff

[4:41:21] usually have to obviously the town

[4:41:24] manager or staff will do Tuesday or

[4:41:26] Thursdays for most of our meetings. So

[4:41:30] that's why I was thinking more of a

[4:41:32] Tuesday or Thursday because we already

[4:41:34] changing the meeting for the elections

[4:41:36] from Tuesday. Most of the time when we

[4:41:38] can't meet on Tuesday, we meet on

[4:41:40] Thursday.

[4:41:41] >> So I felt that adding a different day

[4:41:44] like a Monday will just to throw

[4:41:46] everybody off. So we want to be Yeah.

[4:41:48] very confusing for the

[4:41:49] >> only thing is on that Thursday I could

[4:41:51] be late. Just so you know, a little

[4:41:53] late.

[4:41:53] >> That's fine.

[4:41:54] >> Okay. But

[4:41:55] >> now if how late

[4:41:58] >> I mean an hour.

[4:41:59] >> Okay. I think that's fine. Yeah,

[4:42:01] >> we can

[4:42:01] >> I don't know what's on the agenda.

[4:42:02] Hopefully it's not as long

[4:42:03] [clears throat] as this one.

[4:42:04] >> Uh it will not uh it will not. But I

[4:42:07] think I think having it Thursday the

[4:42:09] 22nd will make more sense so we stay

[4:42:12] consistent with

[4:42:13] >> p and

[4:42:16] um usually we meet Tuesday on Thursday.

[4:42:18] So Thursday the 22nd on the notes

[4:42:21] >> with the 6:30 start.

[4:42:25] I would say so.

[4:42:26] >> Yes, sure.

[4:42:27] >> Okay.

[4:42:27] >> I mean, you know, I've always been a 700

[4:42:29] p.m. person, but

[4:42:31] >> we will have um just so we know, we have

[4:42:33] early voting in this room, which won't

[4:42:35] be a problem. I don't believe there's

[4:42:36] any other meetings going on.

[4:42:39] >> Okay.

[4:42:39] >> But there might be just booths in the

[4:42:40] back of the room.

[4:42:41] >> That's fine. So,

[4:42:42] >> miscellaneous items.

[4:42:43] >> So, Thursday, uh the 22nd at 6:30.

[4:42:47] >> Yep.

[4:42:47] >> Instead of the 20th.

[4:42:49] >> Okay. Thank you.

[4:42:51] >> Perfect. And then Thursday, November

[4:42:53] 5th. So that kind of stay consistent

[4:42:56] because

[4:42:56] >> Oh, yeah. The next

[4:42:57] >> we having elections. We're having

[4:42:58] election on the 3rd.

[4:43:00] >> Yep.

[4:43:00] >> And Mr. Chairman, just so the board

[4:43:02] knows, I will not be here. Um I'm

[4:43:04] attending a conference that week, so I

[4:43:06] won't be here, but we are set with um

[4:43:08] Rodney Connley will be named interim

[4:43:10] town manager. He'll staff that meeting.

[4:43:12] The amend the agenda should we're

[4:43:14] working on keeping it pretty light. So

[4:43:17] um I have confirmed that staff is

[4:43:18] available for that day.

[4:43:19] >> Perfect. Thank you. 22nd.

[4:43:21] >> Yes, 22nd. Okay,

[4:43:23] >> perfect. So, on that note, I will ask to

[4:43:27] member Bennett to close us out.

[4:43:30] >> Thank you. Well, please when you see

[4:43:31] your vet, thank them for their service

[4:43:34] and let's keep uh current servicemen and

[4:43:37] women safe. Thank you.

[4:43:39] >> Thank you. Good night, Danz. Thank you.

Danvers Select Board Meeting- 10/6/26

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