[0:00] Uh all right, welcome. This is the Town of Darian Sewer Commission agenda, uh

[0:06] which starts with a public hearing on today, which is Tuesday, September 8th

[0:12] at 4:30 p.m. And although the agenda incorrectly notes September 9th, I will

[0:17] point out that the legal notice that was published and posted in the town clerk's

[0:22] office does in fact say September 8th. So, I am comfortable looking forward

[0:26] with the public hearing on those terms. Um, we are in room 206 at town hall

[0:32] calling the meeting to order at 4:30 p.m. And the first item on our agenda is

[0:37] a public hearing to discuss uh setting our sanitary sewer user fees for the

[0:43] next fiscal year. I will start this by reading the legal notice which uh notice

[0:49] of public hearing on proposed amendments to sanitary sewer regulations. Darian

[0:54] Town Hall, room 206, September 8th, 2026. The town of Darianne Sewer

[0:59] Commission will conduct public hearing at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th,

[1:02] 2026 in room 206 of Darian Town Hall to Ranchaw Road, Darian, Connecticut 6812

[1:07] for the purpose of affording property owners and residents within the town of

[1:10] Darian. An opportunity to be heard concerning proposed amendments to the

[1:12] Darian code of ordinance appendix C administrative regulations. Amend sewer

[1:16] user fees article 11 sanitary sewer regulations section 1000-6 service

[1:21] charges subsection amendments and relevant part are proposed up to the

[1:26] following rates um 6-2.1 effective October 1 2026 the standard charge shall

[1:32] be at a rate between $7.40 40 and $755 per 100 cubic feet of water. And section

[1:41] 6-3.1 effective October 1, 2026, the minimum service charge shall be $29143

[1:48] perom 0% change. Uh all members of the public are invited to participate and

[1:53] will be given opportunity to be heard regarding the proposed changes by order

[1:57] of the Darian Sewer Commission. Greg J. Clarity, chairman. Uh, with that I will

[2:02] ask if there is any public comment.

[2:08] Do we get anything in by email? >> Any anecdotal information or

[2:13] conversations? Okay. Any comment by the commission? If

[2:18] not, I'll ask for a uh well, I guess did we have a motion to open the hearing?

[2:24] » Make a motion we open the hearing. >> Second.

[2:27] » All those in favor of opening the hearing.

[2:29] » Okay. Does anybody want to talk to this matter? Nobody's in the room. Does

[2:32] anyone want to make a motion to close the hearing?

[2:35] » Do we have to set the rate? >> Uh, no. We do that in our regular.

[2:39] » I'll make a motion we close it. >> I'll second that.

[2:40] » All those in favor? All right. The public hearing on the sewer user fees

[2:44] has been held. We will decide uh the matter under our regular meeting agenda

[2:48] later this afternoon. Uh our second thing on the agenda is um

[2:57] where did I put my agenda? Uh is uh a public hearing number two

[3:03] uh related to sanitary sewer regulations and proposed amendments to the code of

[3:08] ordinances. Um I think having to do with uh making appeals um

[3:16] » 434 >> uh uh uh

[3:20] » conditional >> conditioned upon of appropriately up to

[3:24] date filled out some pump compliance. All right,

[3:26] » I'll move we open the public hearing. >> Okay, there we go.

[3:29] » I'll second. >> All those in favor of opening the public

[3:31] hearing. All right, the public hearing on amendments to the sanitary se

[3:34] regulations is open. I will read the legal notice that was published in the

[3:38] newspaper and posted in the town clerk's office. Uh town of Darian Sewer

[3:41] Commission will conduct a public hearing at 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th,

[3:45] 2026 in room 206 at Darian Town Hall to Ranchaw Road, Darian, Connecticut 0620

[3:51] for the purpose of affording property owners and residents within the town of

[3:53] Darian. An opportunity to be heard concerning proposed amendments to the

[3:56] Darian code of ordinance appendix C administrative regulations. Amend

[4:00] article 13 some pump removal regulations concerning the abatement of elicit

[4:04] discharge into public sewers section 1013-9

[4:08] violations and penalties semicolon enforcement and in that uh uh title uh

[4:17] add subsection C sewer user fee appeal. No sewer user shall be allowed to appeal

[4:23] their annual sewer user fee if colon one the town has not received a completed

[4:29] sump pump compliance statement for said property or two the property some pump

[4:33] discharge is connected to the sanitary sewer system and no substantial progress

[4:36] has been made to disconnect. All members of the public are invited to participate

[4:40] and will be given an opportunity to be heard regarding the proposed changes

[4:45] » by order of the Darian sewer commission chairman. All right. Uh, I have read the

[4:50] legal notice and now I will ask if there are any members of the public that would

[4:53] like to comment on this public hearing. >> Do we get any emails? Oh,

[4:59] » matter of fact. >> Oh, okay.

[5:02] » I haven't read it. >> Okay.

[5:04] » The first one or the second one? First. >> I will let the chairman read it to

[5:08] himself and >> Okay.

[5:09] » See if it's appropriate.

[5:22] Okay. Um, I think it is a public comment that is related to uh the public hearing

[5:28] that is currently open. Uh, and it was received before 400 p.m. today, which is

[5:33] our request. So, I'm going to read it into the record. Uh the email is from

[5:40] Alexisu uh dated this morning uh Tuesday, September 8th, 2026 at 9:56

[5:46] a.m. to the Darian Sewer Commission regarding the sewer fee appeal/pot

[5:51] potential ordinance change. Dear Sewer Commission, I saw the proposed ordinance

[5:55] change on your agenda for today. I'm guessing the idea behind linking the

[5:58] right to appeal a sewer user fee to some pump compliance is to give people an

[6:02] incentive to comply. But I question the choice of incentive. My understanding is

[6:07] that state law already gives someone who is agrieved by a sewer charge the right

[6:12] to appeal to superior court. Uh what is the town accomplishing by taking away

[6:17] the local appeal process other than potentially forcing a resident to go to

[6:21] court costing both the resident and the town time and money over something that

[6:25] might otherwise be resolved locally respectfully? Alexis Sweet uh 20 Beverly

[6:30] Place. Okay. Any other public comment? That was it. All right. Uh, any comments

[6:37] by the commissioners or else I'll take a motion to close the hearing.

[6:46] » I'll move we close close the hearing. >> Okay. Move to close. Second to close.

[6:50] All those in favor of closing. >> Okay. Public hearing is closed. We will

[6:54] now get on with the business we are getting on with today.

[6:59] Uh, okay. Let's start with uh the minutes

[7:04] from the meeting that I did not attend, but I did watch the videos through

[7:10] of uh Oh, do we have to do >> August 11th? Okay.

[7:36] Yeah, literally the only thing I saw was were Susan's letter is written

[7:43] read into the minutes. Uh I have reviewed and read your I have reviewed

[7:50] your numbers and vote to leave. Not votes to leave.

[7:56] Got it. Okay. But that's as >> pretty minor.

[7:59] » Minor as minor could be. >> Hold on. You out petered Peter.

[8:09] » Other than that, >> want to make a motion?

[8:13] » Yeah, go for it. >> Oh, I think Peter first, Reese second

[8:17] » to approve the minutes with the minor nit called out by Commissioner Hill. Uh,

[8:24] all those in favor of approving the minutes.

[8:26] » Okay, the minutes are adopted. They're going to ask me.

[8:29] » I also watched the meeting. >> Okay.

[8:31] » Because I wasn't. >> It's exciting to watch that.

[8:36] » Did it on my phone. >> Where was that?

[8:37] » Yeah. Could you help us out, please? >> Um, on page two of five

[8:43] » where it said, "Mr. Hill read the following email into the record by Susan

[8:46] Cameron. Hi, Ed. I have reviewed your numbers and vote to leave the race.

[8:53] » The S. >> Get rid of the S.

[8:55] » Vote. >> Got it.

[8:58] » Thank you. >> It's a big It's a big deal.

[9:00] » Big. >> No. No. I mean, we might as well. No,

[9:02] I'm not. So, I'm not saying anything bad, but you know,

[9:04] » if I catch if I catch a grammar error, >> we're going to cheer you. You get a gold

[9:10] star. >> It's very rare.

[9:13] » I hate gold stars. >> Not my forte.

[9:15] » Yeah. Should we have gold stars? Bring the gold stars back.

[9:20] » Let's get the dogs. >> Well, we're going to need a whole voting

[9:25] system for >> Oh, who gets to wear it too?

[9:27] » Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. >> Oh, yeah. That was edited. Okay, that's

[9:32] a good edit. Um, that was really it for the edit.

[9:37] » Um, all right. Next item on the agenda is uh

[9:42] setting of the sewer user fee uh pursuant to public hearing number one.

[9:47] Um I think uh we've all made our uh opinions uh clear on this um at the last

[9:54] meeting. Uh, you know, I'll just say, uh, I think, uh, uh, Ed is doing a great

[10:04] job with this department, uh, being a steward of not only our physical

[10:09] infrastructure, but our, uh, our sewer user fee dollars uh, um, have been uh,

[10:19] used um, thoughtfully uh, and well, um, and we are making

[10:27] necessary investments uh in our sewer system

[10:32] um to uh recover, maintain, improve its health

[10:38] and function uh in the long term. Um so uh I like

[10:45] where the numbers are headed. I like that uh we're projecting a slight well

[10:52] not a little more than a slight um surplus this coming year but we have a

[10:56] long list of things that uh uh we need to do uh to the system um

[11:03] and are looking forward to investing that money which hopefully is going to

[11:09] uh produce a return on investment um over time which is is what we're

[11:14] seeing in the numbers Um, anyone want to make a motion as to what we do with the

[11:20] sewer user fee for the coming fiscal year?

[11:22] » I'll make a motion that we keep the sewer user fee at $7.50

[11:28] per CCF, which is a 0% increase. >> And same motion for the minimum service

[11:36] charge. >> Yes.

[11:38] » No change. >> The the no change in the minimum service

[11:41] charge. >> Great.

[11:42] » I'll second that. or the well rate or the well rate.

[11:46] » All right, Bob first re second. Uh we have a motion on the table. Any further

[11:51] discussion on the motion? All those in favor of the motion. All

[11:55] right, motion passes. The rates will be unchanged in the next fiscal year.

[11:59] Hopefully, this is number two in a row.

[12:03] » Isn't it three? >> I I thought we had increase. Is it

[12:07] three? >> Just if I could just one small point.

[12:10] » Yeah. The well rate's actually going to be determined by the average of the

[12:15] usage from the year before >> in accordance with the regulations.

[12:18] » Yes. >> So it does not need to be revised. The

[12:21] the the method by which it is calculated does not need to be revised.

[12:24] » But the number will change. It may go up or down. That's all I'm saying.

[12:28] » Oh, a little bit. >> All right.

[12:29] » So, >> um but we're not

[12:31] » but the minimum won't. You're not changing the rate.

[12:33] » We're not changing that. >> Got it.

[12:35] » Okay. >> That's public water, private septic.

[12:38] Could be a well septic. >> Yes.

[12:42] » Or well Could be a whole bunch of things.

[12:46] » Yes, you're right. >> Private water.

[12:48] » Private water. Public sewer. >> Private water. Public sewer.

[12:52] » Yeah, you could have that. >> Because if it's septic, they're not

[12:55] paying us, >> right?

[12:56] » Um >> we hope

[12:59] we find we find ones every once in a while. All right, that's it for that

[13:03] one. Item number four, uh, sanitary sewer regulations, proposed amendments

[13:08] to Darian code of ordinance, public hearing number two.

[13:12] Um,

[13:16] and that is some more coming in the back here.

[13:25] Here we go. I think Greg, before you jump off, there were a few things I did

[13:30] add under that. >> Yeah. Yeah, let's take a look. I don't

[13:32] know if you want to discuss that or do the other piece. It's up to you. I

[13:36] didn't want you to skip over and that's all.

[13:38] » Yeah, go ahead. Uh under the item we're talking about now

[13:42] » or do you want to go over some of the numbers from our prior

[13:45] » a handout? >> Um no, the handout was to just

[13:49] supplement one page to update it. And I threw that graph in there so you could

[13:52] see the the uptick in not only the the revenue but our reserve

[13:57] » reserve balance. So now they coincide. >> Yeah.

[14:00] » I wanted you to see that. Yeah. >> Um, now the other piece was the graphs

[14:04] that you had put together at one time. You updated them. I put them in the

[14:07] packet. Yes. >> Didn't know if you wanted to talk about

[14:08] that now while you were on that topic. >> Yeah, I was. Yeah, that's fine. I was

[14:12] going to go superintendent report, but that's cool. You've got it under item 3.

[14:16] Uh, so we've seen these five graphs before. Uh, and I just put in data for

[14:22] uh the last 12 months up to June 30th. Uh, so item three, page 40 of 8. Uh you

[14:31] can see that the last 2 years the amount of water we've been sending to Stanford

[14:36] has been going down and these are the collection of meters on the discharges

[14:41] that end up going across ultimately the Nuroten River. Um

[14:47] uh into Stamford. Um so we're down the last two years. Um

[14:54] then

[14:58] page five of 8 uh is the data we get from Aquarian on how much water use

[15:05] there is in town. Now this is this is going to be I think we're seeing that

[15:12] little down tick between the with the month change right between 2025 and 2026

[15:18] » methodology measuring >> right so I think the method that

[15:22] methodology changed between 2025 and 2026

[15:25] » but it we most likely would have been more more level and flat.

[15:29] » Yeah. Yeah. But we're still trying to get irrigation water out of there. So

[15:32] that you know there may be a little bit of an apples to oranges comparison here

[15:35] because the methodology changed a bit from five months down to four or a

[15:38] different five months. I forget what we did. Okay.

[15:41] » Different five months. >> Different five months. Um

[15:46] chart three which is on page seven of eight is

[15:52] Darien's uh INI portion of flow to Stanford. So this is basically what are

[15:58] we sending to Stanford minus how much uh aquarium

[16:04] water use we have. Um this relates heavily to actually chart number five.

[16:09] I'll go back to chart number four in a second. Chart number five is on page 88

[16:13] which is um comparing the INI flow or estimated INI flow to rainfall. Rainfall

[16:21] is the red line going up and down as rainfall goes up and uh up and down each

[16:27] year. Did I get that right? No, I'm sorry. Wait, no. Wait. Yes. Rainfall

[16:32] rainfall is the red line. Rainfall red line. Yes. Rainfall is the red line.

[16:36] Thank you. I got to I keep trying to label those series and I have trouble.

[16:40] » They kind of correlate, don't they? >> Um you think they kind of correlate.

[16:46] » Except >> so we had another dry year. funny guy.

[16:49] » Uh we had another relatively dry year and therefore we had another relatively

[16:54] low year for I ini still high but relatively low.

[16:59] » Um >> but if it's a percentage of water use

[17:01] and you have a dry year and people over irrigate the irrigation system the

[17:05] measuring of natural sewage flow is inaccurate.

[17:09] » Well except >> best we can do

[17:11] » well I think we're doing >> I think we're doing it a lot better now

[17:14] than we were with the shift in the five months.

[17:17] » Yeah. Maybe, maybe, maybe it should be. >> Yeah.

[17:20] » It's more towards fair. >> Yeah. Um and it doesn't pick up

[17:23] commercial, which is, you know, whatever. Uh which could be irrigating

[17:26] 12 months a year because >> it's true.

[17:28] » Yep. Um we have some submeters on that that we take out. A whole story. Uh so

[17:35] it's good that I think uh you know, INI is going down. I I'm still waiting to

[17:42] see the wet year uh without INI going up as much as it

[17:48] has in other wet years. So that that really is the proof of

[17:52] » the one that we really >> Yeah. You look at 2019 or 2024

[17:56] uh you know when you get 60 inches of rain, you get a whole ton of eye and so

[18:02] that'll be my >> less water use in rainy years

[18:06] » aggregate because there's less irrigation. Uh,

[18:09] » could you put that chart in there, too? >> Probably not because people have

[18:13] irrigated systems that run when it's >> But they have the new systems are

[18:17] supposed to have rain sensors. So, maybe as time goes by, that's as time goes by

[18:22] skew the graphs even more. >> But this is okay. So, here's the rain

[18:26] going up and down. >> Yeah.

[18:27] » Here's our water use. So we're doing a pretty good what what

[18:32] that tells me is we're doing a pretty good job of getting irrigation out of

[18:35] dry years for example because we're only using you know whatever November March

[18:39] or December >> the last year there's two years there's

[18:42] a bit of a spike. >> Yes. There was well we had

[18:45] » November it was it was it was the decision we made because the November

[18:50] water bill captures October water use >> and they were late dry seasons

[18:56] » and so people were still irrigating in October which caused that little bump.

[18:59] Yep. >> That's that's that's really what led us

[19:02] to change our >> Yeah.

[19:04] » uh system. >> Yep.

[19:05] » Yeah. >> But it didn't happen in 2019.

[19:08] » Um but it didn't happen in 2019. Well, that was wet year. Um so it was less

[19:12] irrigation. Um you would have to pick out a dry like this 2023.

[19:15] » This wet year didn't see any decrease. >> So if you if it was a dry year, you

[19:18] would expect a pop in irrigation. It didn't really happen. So but again,

[19:23] we're we were we're still using the winter months primarily, right? So we're

[19:26] still doing a good job of keeping irrigation out. Maybe we're doing a

[19:28] little bit better job at >> that's the whole

[19:31] » Yeah. >> Um

[19:33] » and I guess the only one I didn't talk about is chart four which is just

[19:37] looking is just Stanford and and how much if you take Darian's flow out what

[19:43] is their trend line look like? And their trend line actually is going down

[19:47] slightly. Now last two years have been dry years. So if they have INI that's

[19:51] why their last two years are down too because it's been dry. So their INI is

[19:54] lower. Um, so again, you kind of got to wait for the response in a wet year to

[19:59] really see what's going on. >> What neighborhoods in Stanford are still

[20:04] older, less developed, prone to some pumps?

[20:09] » And how's the development creeping towards that? Because it does seem like

[20:13] the new buildings, even though they have more density, don't have the problems

[20:17] with some pumps and >> yeah,

[20:19] » issues that we've seen in the legacy houses here in the lowlying areas. Just

[20:23] on a per capita basis, it's a much tighter system. You know, much less

[20:26] mileage underground per capita. >> Yeah. And most of it's new.

[20:31] » Most of it's new. >> But they're all old areas. But it really

[20:36] has nothing to do with us unless >> the denominator.

[20:40] » What are they doing about INI? What are we? Because we're in a competitive race

[20:44] with them to get ours lower. >> Yeah, they faster.

[20:47] » They also have an INI abatement program. >> How are they working that? How are they

[20:51] doing it? No idea. >> No idea.

[20:54] » Well, it's very it's in my opinion looking at the numbers, it's very small

[20:58] in comparison to what we're doing. >> But they may have done a lot before Yes.

[21:03] » I got here or while I had just started. >> The big numbers we're looking at is when

[21:08] they're done finished building all those buildings, we should see their flow go

[21:11] up. >> Well, they

[21:13] » if all stays the same, >> a lot of those buildings are finished,

[21:16] right? like you know like you add another five to the 500 that are

[21:22] there you're only adding 1% right >> there's west broad broad street summer I

[21:27] mean just finished one on summer but two on broad the old Burlington

[21:31] » property the one by the Bell Street garage or not Bell Street garage

[21:34] downtown garage >> they're all just during construction

[21:37] right now but there are quite a few units going down

[21:40] » Clint I think >> it's it's not just units it's population

[21:43] and when you're building one and two-bedroom units you're not necessarily

[21:46] building to the same population, the single family homes.

[21:48] » Um, so, you know, we've they've done plenty of building over the last 20

[21:54] years and that graph hasn't really all changed that much.

[21:58] » Yeah. >> Um, so I don't

[22:01] » That's interesting. >> I mean, it can not at some level add to

[22:05] the denominator, but I I I'm not waiting for that. You know, I think it's easy to

[22:10] see the development, but I think you when you put it in context for like how

[22:14] many housing units are being added to the total, you know, it's like one or

[22:18] two%. You know, it's not a big deal. >> Um,

[22:24] if they're going up and we're going down, it's that percentage every year

[22:29] that I'm >> Yeah,

[22:30] » I'm shooting to see. >> That's the number I'm looking at.

[22:34] » We're doing pretty good. We got What do we got? 12 and a half this year.

[22:38] 1316. >> 1316. 1316. Okay,

[22:43] » let's just keep pushing. >> I'm going to get it to 12.

[22:47] » I mean, look, even even if all we did was get from 15 to 12, we saved a ton of

[22:52] money, you know, like that's huge.

[22:58] » Uh, okay. So item number four is this um

[23:03] regulation uh edit

[23:07] um

[23:18] oh there we go C there they are sewer user fee appeal

[23:24] uh no sewer user shall be allowed to appeal three if town's not received

[23:29] Okay. Or

[23:34] uh Okay. Any comments on the edit to the regulations?

[23:39] » No, I think the impact is clear. >> Shall we have a motion?

[23:43] » I'll make a motion. >> I'll second it.

[23:45] » What is your motion? >> Yeah, we accept the new language from

[23:47] the old language. Better. >> Okay. All right. We have a first and a

[23:51] second. Uh uh motion on the table to adopt the amendment to the regulations.

[23:57] Um, do we have any further discussion on the motion? All those in favor? Okay,

[24:03] motion passes. Amendments are updated. Regulations are amended.

[24:10] Um,

[24:16] and my paperwork is all out of order now, but I'll get it back in a second.

[24:22] » Well, I was okay till we got to those graphs and then threw everything.

[24:27] Oh yeah, sorry. I even gave you time to read that ahead

[24:31] of time, Bob. >> All would have broke loose otherwise.

[24:35] » That's right. I didn't have a choice. Wasn't like I was being nice.

[24:42] » Here we go. >> I mean, let's just hope

[24:44] » section snarky. >> It keeps trending in the same direction.

[24:50] » Trend is your friend. >> I lost my agenda. Do you have the

[24:54] agenda? >> Yeah, I hear you.

[24:55] » Yeah. Uh, now we're up to number five. Table,

[24:59] » right? >> We're up to this.

[25:00] » Here we go. This is what I needed. >> We're up to this.

[25:03] » Um, sanitary, uh, table of appeals. Oh, yeah. We're going to look at the table

[25:06] of appeals. Thank you. >> Oh, yeah.

[25:09] » Um,

[25:13] so >> I think leaks overtook irrigation this

[25:17] year. >> I have to agree with you.

[25:20] » Ed, just as a snapshot, what's your reaction? Are we being too lenient, not

[25:24] leaning enough? Just right? I mean, Goldilocks here. Where are we in terms

[25:28] of >> should we be a little tougher?

[25:31] » Um, >> three months.

[25:33] » I know. >> Yeah. What?

[25:34] » I'm pretty tough. So, that's probably not a question for me.

[25:39] » No, it is. Well, you just answered the question, didn't you?

[25:41] » But I uh you you folks have always been fair. Anyone asks me about an appeal, I

[25:46] said, "They are fair. Come and present your case."

[25:49] » Then he looks at me. >> Um, and there's there's five of you. If

[25:51] if you guys as a group did not agree on something, you will figure it out. Um

[25:56] that number looks big to me, but if you go case by case and the thought process

[26:04] that you used, discussion you had, the lengthy discussion on some of them, um

[26:09] uh you folks got to where you you felt comfortable. So I I'm comfortable with

[26:14] that. >> Let's hope we have fewer than 14

[26:17] irrigation appeals next season. That's the goal.

[26:22] » Yes. >> Get those out of here.

[26:23] » Well, there won't be any repeat performers,

[26:26] » but I don't think we're going to ever change uh the number of leaks or the

[26:33] number of uh other issues, right? So, getting to 30 appeals would be a would

[26:40] be a win. >> I mean, I I think our goal of being fair

[26:44] and equitable with the leaks, we are reasonably close. I don't think you can

[26:50] ever be perfect, but I think I think we're pretty good, if not better than

[26:56] that. >> And I also believe we put in the effort

[27:00] to do that. I think we have a good standard. I think the needle, and this

[27:06] is going to be me saying it, the needle is probably on the side of of of uh

[27:12] accommodating versus uh uh uh heavy-handed. And I think that's a fine

[27:19] place for the needle to be. >> That's fair.

[27:25] » Yeah. It's a nice time to be able to see all this and just step back and say,

[27:28] "All right, we did this all year." Yeah. What's the

[27:30] » We had a whole lot of people come in. >> Sort of a game recap.

[27:34] » Mhm. >> And there's 18 leaks. That's one and a

[27:37] half every month. >> Yeah. And we're and we're, you know,

[27:40] we're splitting the difference on the period of time. So, it's not a full

[27:43] » forgiveness in many situations. And and despite

[27:47] that, those two on the graph are going the

[27:53] right way. >> Yeah.

[27:55] » How are we year-over-year? We went back all the years. Are we about this number

[27:59] every year? >> Well,

[28:00] » this one jumped up. That's kind of why we did I think this is the second one I

[28:04] gave you. This had everything for the fiscal year so you could see it.

[28:08] » I think last year it was 45. >> Okay.

[28:10] » Or 40ish. And the year before that was 3132.

[28:14] » Yep. We had one here of 6,500 bucks. >> Yeah. Well, you get you get a leaking

[28:19] pipe that's, you know, in February and cranks for two weeks. It can it can pump

[28:24] out a lot of water >> and and skew the uh the overall build

[28:28] quite precipitously. >> Thank you so much to Joanne for keeping

[28:32] this. This is great. >> Helpful data.

[28:34] » Sure. >> Uh scorecard.

[28:36] » We good with uh item number five? We move item six.

[28:40] » Uh okay. Turns out >> item six on the agenda which is a phase

[28:45] 2 engineering presentation by Arcadus is going to be

[28:49] » tabled. >> Um and the question is do you guys want

[28:52] to hear this presentation at our meeting in October or do you want to set a

[28:56] special meeting to hear this presentation?

[28:58] » Um any idea how long it's going to be? I know in October we have appeals. So

[29:03] that's why >> uh we probably won't get any appeals.

[29:06] Oh, we don't. Yeah, that first bills go out for October 1st.

[29:11] » We don't have time to put together the information. We don't usually take

[29:14] appeals in October. >> All right.

[29:16] » We've asked her to keep it to 15 20 minutes, just enough to give you a

[29:20] flavor of what we're doing. Have an opportunity to ask questions if you

[29:23] like. So, October is a good month to get >> um if you feel the need to get the

[29:28] information sooner and have another meeting. Uh as long as the consensus is

[29:33] that we can wait till October. Yeah, I'm good with that. I'm good.

[29:38] » All right. Take until October. Thank you. Uh and uh you're going to tell us

[29:44] about the billing for 88 Parry Point Road.

[29:49] » Yes, I am. Um they subdivided that property. It used to be a school.

[29:54] » Yeah, that one went into a four lot subdivision.

[29:57] » Yep. >> At which time they issued partial

[30:01] number, lot numbers, whatever you'd like to call list numbers, if you will. Um

[30:05] they mistakenly give this gave this piece of property the wrong list number.

[30:09] » So there was water usage tied to it >> as you see in the graph.

[30:13] » Yeah. >> Um but there is a

[30:19] sewer lateral connection to our low pressure force main in front of the

[30:22] property which gives it a little which is why I'm

[30:26] here basically because I don't know the feeling about that piece of it. But

[30:31] other the other part of it is I don't give money back unless you folks tell me

[30:37] it's okay. >> So those are the two pieces I have right

[30:40] now. >> Using water and not discharging to the

[30:42] sewer. >> There's no use of water on this

[30:44] property. >> Oh,

[30:46] » that use was another puzzle in another part of town that had no business being

[30:51] on this list number. So it was a mistake.

[30:53] » But it just started and and then these bills have been paid.

[30:56] » So we sent out bills. The bills were paid but there was no water use. It was

[31:00] an error on our end for sending out the >> And we only go back three years.

[31:05] » Yeah. >> This we're only allowed We're only

[31:07] allowed to collect three years. We only go back three years.

[31:09] » Yeah. >> But

[31:10] » but it brought to our attention when they were selling the property.

[31:14] » Okay. Is the other is the the other property on the other side of the town

[31:20] up and correct? >> It's not even tied to the sewer from

[31:24] what I can find. We're we're looking into that right now to make sure. But as

[31:27] of right now, this is this is the one I have to clear up and then I have to go

[31:31] ahead and check that. Uh >> but from what I can find the location of

[31:35] the house and property, there's no sewer in the street. So it'd be difficult.

[31:39] » And I would make a motion whatever the last three years.

[31:43] » So just before we go there, so this property has been disconnected from the

[31:48] sewer >> or never was connected. When they put

[31:51] the low pressure force man in, they put a valve box or three of them valve boxes

[31:58] in front of the parcels that had the school had one big parcel. There was

[32:04] somebody that knew what they were doing. >> Darren does that all the time.

[32:07] » Put a couple connections out in front for them to use,

[32:11] » but >> okay.

[32:12] » Never been used. There's no water going to them.

[32:16] » So there's no need for a dis. There's a house in one of those lots now.

[32:20] » Well, yeah. They we we tied that one's being built.

[32:22] » We tied it into We tied it in with a uh a wet tap.

[32:25] » Yes. >> Two years ago.

[32:27] » Okay. So, this is for one of the vacant properties. Got it. Got it. Got it.

[32:31] » Okay. Just making sure there was no need for a disconnect permit, but there is

[32:35] not. >> There is not.

[32:36] » Okay. >> I'll make a motion whenever the last

[32:38] three years that you can possibly refund them. Go ahead.

[32:42] » It's right here. >> That's that graph that's in front of me.

[32:44] » $1,12462.

[32:47] Okay. You want to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion that we refund them

[32:51] for those three years um in the amount of $11,12462.

[32:56] » I'll second that. >> Who Who are we refunding?

[32:59] » Whoever that paid it, the owner selling it.

[33:02] » It be the what? Previous owner. >> Oh, right.

[33:05] » They just sold it. They just closed on it.

[33:07] » Oh, they closed it already. >> I would go with the previous owner.

[33:10] » So, >> we'll get the money in the right hand of

[33:13] the right people. I can tell you that. >> Uh we have a first and a second. We have

[33:16] a motion on the table. I have a question.

[33:19] » Uh, should they be at least charged the minimum charge because they have the

[33:23] ability to hook up to the sewer? >> That's up for you folks. That's why I

[33:28] asked. >> No.

[33:30] » No. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought people that had a sewer connection out in front of

[33:33] their house, but they don't even absolutely don't.

[33:35] » Oh, they don't. >> Just pay the assessment

[33:36] » because they're disconnected. >> They're not hooked up yet.

[33:39] » Yeah. That would be like you filed a in my opinion, it'd be like you filed a

[33:42] disconnect permit. So, it wouldn't it's not like The house is vacant. The lot is

[33:48] vacant. To me, it's a little different, but I think it's almost semantics.

[33:52] » Okay. Um, >> there's a really good qu. It made me

[33:55] think for a minute. >> All those all those in favor of Reese's

[33:58] motion. Susan's motion. >> All right.

[34:02] » I get excited. >> Bob, I

[34:04] » Yes, I'm sorry. >> Sorry.

[34:06] » Just want to make sure to make sure got you in the tent there.

[34:10] » Got I was trying to shove him out the door.

[34:15] Um, all right. Item number eight, sump pump

[34:18] removal policy. Uh, we have an update or we don't have an update.

[34:24] » Uh, we have an update. >> Quick update for you.

[34:26] » Okay. >> Um, as of right now, we have, uh, 3,450

[34:32] um, responses. >> Okay.

[34:35] Of the 5,432, it's about 64%. Okay.

[34:41] um 150 additional since the last meeting a month ago.

[34:44] » Okay. Um no some no sump some pumps are about 1,800 of those responding.

[34:52] » Mhm. >> Uh yes to sump pumps are 1645.

[35:00] Okay. Of the sump pump ones 112 have sanitary sewer connections.

[35:06] Okay. >> So we have 13

[35:12] Last month we went up 13. >> A lot of people were correcting it

[35:16] before they sent the thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[35:18] » Really good. >> Stealing my thunder here.

[35:22] » We will never know how many got removed because of this action.

[35:25] » Yes. >> Uh but that's okay.

[35:28] » Um but and those are that's the all the good news now. And this isn't bad news.

[35:33] This just means followup for us. >> Um there some of them that require

[35:37] photos. There's over a thousand that we didn't get any.

[35:40] » Okay. >> So, we're going to have to follow up

[35:41] with them. Um, and ones with no signatures, there's about 150ish.

[35:47] So, we can send them out. We're trying to figure out a way to do it where we

[35:50] send it to you, you sign it, and you just send it, you email it back to us

[35:54] where it's simple. We put it with your file and it's put away. Um, we're

[35:58] working on that. >> So, the last piece to reach

[36:00] » out, that's going to be the longtail followup is getting all these folks.

[36:04] » It is. It is. I think the other 2,000 might be a problem, too.

[36:08] » Well, yeah, >> just a bit.

[36:09] » So, so far we have almost 10 people that disconnected and were and told us they

[36:13] did before they sent in the form or who were about to or just I just got one

[36:17] today in the as an email and a picture and the sump pump with the water running

[36:21] outside onto the ground. >> Great.

[36:22] » So, this is and when I say running, it was like they turned a 2-in faucet on.

[36:27] It was coming out of that pipe. >> So, that's exciting.

[36:31] » This is There's some good stuff coming out of the

[36:33] » And it's just going right into the lawn now. Yeah, there.

[36:35] » What's that? >> It's just going straight out

[36:37] » onto the onto the pavement onto the lawn.

[36:39] » Wow. >> Keep your

[36:42] » weapon. >> Now, he may have filled it. He may have

[36:45] filled it up with water just to show me it was running.

[36:48] » I I doubt it. >> Okay, that's the update.

[36:52] » Are the ones that are connected coming from the same part of town?

[36:58] » Haven't identified that yet. >> Near a stream or river? But I can tell

[37:02] you there the ones where I expected um we did get uh a neighborhood let's say

[37:08] that I was and I won't talk about it right now because I need to look at a

[37:11] little bit better. >> Um the answers that I expected are the

[37:15] ones I'm getting. >> Okay.

[37:16] » So, >> and have any of them felt that they

[37:20] needed um help with in a new pipe in the street or something like that?

[37:24] » One of them did. Uh, one of the very first gentlemen that I met with before

[37:28] we even got it approved through the RTM came to me and we talked about I met him

[37:31] out on his on his property on the roadway. Um, and that's the one I looked

[37:36] at that has quite a few um, sump pumps. >> Can you share what street that is?

[37:41] » Uh, Pleasant Street. >> Pleasant Street. Okay.

[37:43] » I've heard of that. >> But I'd say a lot of them are already

[37:48] discharging to the the either the ground right behind the catch basin or, you

[37:52] know, it's making its way out. But there are a couple that okay

[37:55] » that were connected. >> Okay.

[37:59] » We want to help if we can. >> Yeah.

[38:01] » Uh all right. So now we have time on 8B to discuss revisions to the compliance

[38:10] statement. Uh which the compliance statement is

[38:15] this one. Got back down to a one page or we got down to one page.

[38:21] Um I thought uh after monitoring the discussion from the last meeting most of

[38:26] the changes to this were reasonably wellreceived.

[38:30] » Huh? >> No.

[38:32] » Huh? >> Okay.

[38:33] » To the affidavit to the statement itself.

[38:35] » Didn't you watch the meeting? >> I did. I thought the compliance

[38:38] statement was like, "Oh, yeah. It makes sense to have a date. Oh, it makes sense

[38:41] to tell people where the list number can be found by the list."

[38:44] » Oh, those kind of changed. Yeah, but I I just like the font and making it in one

[38:48] page and that >> and changing.

[38:51] » Let's put it this way. I will do this in a quick

[38:55] » one one sentence thing. Perfection is the enemy of progress.

[39:01] » Okay. that statement.

[39:05] » I am uh look I read documents all day long uh and they are constantly edited

[39:12] uh as an I have a contract document that we put on every proposal every year and

[39:18] once a year I read through that again and even though it's me reading it year

[39:23] after year I end up making changes to it. So, I I don't have any issue with

[39:29] anybody else saying, "Hey, what about this? What if you did that? Would it

[39:32] look better like this?" I receive all of those comments uh with an open mind. Uh

[39:37] and we can decide to accept them or not. So, that's my standpoint. Um and we're

[39:43] we're we're currently with our first draft. We're at a D,

[39:47] which is what 64% is. Um >> that No, no, no. That's

[39:51] » You think it's because of the documents that we've sent out? Correct. way would

[39:55] be reflected. Wait a minute.

[39:57] » They were talking about grades last time like oh we got a good

[40:00] » Are you relating that the forms to how many people

[40:02] » forms to how many people I was making >> data is good but when

[40:06] » that relation if you look at the video that relation was made last time and I

[40:10] was making a joke about it. >> Are you kidding me?

[40:12] » Well, >> okay.

[40:14] » You're too funny. >> Missed that one. I like the improvements

[40:19] to the to the SPOM compliance statement, especially if they help the people

[40:23] tracking the data. >> As far as the letter is concerned,

[40:27] » let's deal with this first. Deal. >> We'll do one thing at a time. Okay.

[40:29] » You like the statement? I don't really care either way. Somebody wants to knit

[40:32] or nat it. It's not a big deal to me. >> And and

[40:35] » I just think you need to get through the first, you know, out and in before you

[40:40] start changing it. You cannot mid. This is too much midstream and it's too much

[40:45] just trying to reinvent and perfect the wheel.

[40:49] » Does it mess you up at all? >> Uh I'm going to try to make some uh

[40:53] organization out of this so we can move forward, not just talk back and forth.

[40:58] Um of the commissioners here today and I'm talking just about the sump pump

[41:02] compliance statement. Raise your hand if you are willing to consider edits to the

[41:08] sump pump compliance statement. >> Yes.

[41:10] » Okay. So, four of us are willing to do so. Uh, okay. So, now let's consider the

[41:16] edits, each one, to the sun comp. >> First want to ask Ed, does it mess you

[41:21] up by changing the form?

[41:25] » I'm going to say it doesn't. >> Okay. Um, it would be easier to look at

[41:29] everything on the front page of, >> okay,

[41:32] » in one page for you, but I I know the numerous numerous iterations that we

[41:37] went through and Susan's help to to kind of reorganize it and add more pumps

[41:41] because we're finding out people had five. Um, that whole thing brought us to

[41:45] where we were. Um, getting it >> to fit on one page I thought was a

[41:50] » good >> herculean effort and it was done. Um

[41:54] that would I think it would make it easier for our folks just to have that

[41:57] one sheet in front of us. >> That's my first type of

[42:00] » and maybe you'll get more signatures that way too.

[42:03] » Uh who is uh thinks it's a good idea to put the date on the compliance

[42:08] statement. >> Wasn't it always on the compliance?

[42:11] » I don't know. It's highlighted. So that's why I'm asking that question

[42:14] » just just for me to I add I added it to it because it wasn't there. This is a

[42:19] version that I doctorred so that it met what we had previously got statement.

[42:25] » Okay. >> So it always had a date. I put the date

[42:28] on and highlighted it. That's my edit >> just to not lose it.

[42:30] » So are these yellow highlights your edits?

[42:33] » Yes. >> Oh, okay.

[42:34] » Yep. Or if I couldn't move it, I say move up to list number because I

[42:38] couldn't manipulate the document and I tried. But other than that, the the text

[42:44] in here is consistent with the text in the initial version.

[42:50] » The data that's asking for is consistent with the data that was asked for on the

[42:55] original statement. So, it's all there now. And the and the text is all there.

[42:58] Yes. >> Just not twice. Let's say there's a

[43:02] couple things that were repeated. Um,

[43:13] do folks have an opinion as to this being on one page or two?

[43:20] » All right. So, people got the one in May.

[43:24] » Yes. >> So, now you're going to be sending the

[43:26] people who haven't filled it out >> this one,

[43:30] » whatever version we decide to go with. >> Okay. I'm just the uh just speaking

[43:36] theoretically. So now you're going to send them this one.

[43:40] » Maybe they're not maybe >> they're not going to remember that.

[43:43] » Exactly. >> They're not going to remember the old

[43:45] one. >> No, cuz they didn't give a crap.

[43:47] » Yeah. I think I think the more jury those probably just got thrown out.

[43:50] Yeah. >> And the fact that we've improved it and

[43:52] made it one page >> should be commended.

[43:54] » Well, anyway, so I'm just saying like do we like one page or not? Because one

[43:58] page is a smaller font. One page is is is very tiny margins. Uh do we like one

[44:05] page or did we like two pages? Just >> didn't we already vote on that?

[44:09] » What did we just >> We sort of discuss

[44:12] » the the the straw poll that I the straw poll that I

[44:17] » Shall we talk about it? >> Oh my god. Okay. What are we going to

[44:20] talk about? >> I'm sorry. You want to do this

[44:22] differently? >> No. No. I'm just I'm confused. Okay.

[44:25] » I thought I thought we had voted that four of us thought that this one page

[44:28] was good. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I

[44:30] misunderstood your vote. >> My question was who is willing to

[44:34] consider >> Oh,

[44:36] » changes to >> because I was trying to decide if we had

[44:40] enough of a vote of people that were even willing to change it.

[44:42] » Okay. >> Um so that we could then discuss if

[44:44] there were any nits or nats or revisions or changes and that's what we're

[44:47] discussing now. >> Okay.

[44:49] » Okay. Uh so do people like the one page versus

[44:53] the two? Susan, >> I like the one page.

[44:57] » Reese Reese likes the ones page. Peter, >> I'm chief. I like one page.

[45:01] » I like one page. Okay. >> All right. Ed likes one page.

[45:04] » It was one page. >> I I assume he's a no matter what we do.

[45:07] So, >> you wanted one page.

[45:09] » I am against changing it. Yes. >> Plain and simple.

[45:13] » Yep. Understood. That's why I wanted to make that clear.

[45:15] » Is the enemy of progress >> before we started. Okay. So, then I'll

[45:19] ask a broader question because maybe we're already there. Um, if we're

[45:24] considering the one before us, uh, labeled 8 B plus C, three of three, does

[45:29] anyone have any changes to what's here to make?

[45:39] » How about something where I jump up a blind statement in red?

[45:45] » Um, I mean, what you know,

[45:48] » I'm teasing. I don't care. I really don't care. We do already have actions

[45:52] required on the letter in red. >> There's a lot of ink in doing it in red.

[45:55] » That is true. Um, >> if this is the way they're going to get

[46:01] printed, I think this is blurry.

[46:04] » Yep. >> And it should be more clear.

[46:07] » Why not flip it? Do the white flask and black white.

[46:10] » Yeah, something like that. Use less ink. Make sure the

[46:14] » the title of the form in the top right uh is bold and clear

[46:21] » and uh easy to read. >> Yeah.

[46:22] » I don't think it needs to be filled in. I think we could box it.

[46:25] » Yeah. And just do a bold letter or whatever.

[46:27] » Box it. Flip it. Yeah. >> Okay.

[46:31] » Uh is there anything else on the form that uh people might want to change in

[46:38] the next draft?

[46:46] Okay, with that, can I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion we accept this form

[46:50] to send out for the second round. >> Okay, we're going to get such better

[46:53] results. >> Second.

[46:57] » I'll second it. >> Okay. Uh, first and second on the table.

[47:01] Any further discussion on the changes to the form? All those in favor? All right.

[47:07] You have our authority. We we already know

[47:11] » all those votes, right? I do have to say that out loud. Thank you. One four to

[47:15] one. >> You could have stayed.

[47:16] » Um >> no, I'm gonna be consistent if nothing

[47:19] else. >> Uh okay.

[47:23] Um then with that, we're going to do the same kind of process with eight uh 8C,

[47:29] the res revised cover letter. first um uh just straw poll

[47:36] uh commission members that are willing to consider uh changes or edits to the

[47:40] cover letter. >> Okay.

[47:43] » I'll consider it. >> You'll consider it. Okay. But you're

[47:46] more a little more skeptical on this one. Um

[47:48] » you hear what I say. >> Okay.

[47:51] Uh and again, these we we basically got a

[47:58] cover letter Oh, wait. We got two versions. The uh

[48:06] that was the original that we sent out. >> The fir one of three is the original.

[48:10] » Yep. >> Okay.

[48:13] » No, one of three is the >> Oh, I'm sorry.

[48:16] » Second notice. >> Yeah.

[48:17] » Oh, okay. One of three is the proposed version

[48:22] and two of three was the original. >> Mhm.

[48:25] » Okay. um put on new header. That looks funny.

[48:31] But uh >> the second one added a sentence you

[48:33] haven't filled in. >> No. And neither of these can be the

[48:35] original. The font on the top is not correct.

[48:39] » Well, that was one of my my items >> that that just

[48:42] » Are we now changing our our logo to be an oval?

[48:46] » No. I think there's something wrong with the graphic that they put in this file.

[48:50] » Some somebody tried to fit it all on one page with it.

[48:54] » Yeah. um

[48:55] » and adding all the >> That would have been me. Okay. And I

[48:58] just squished it up to show you what how much room it was needed and it's showing

[49:03] it on there. But >> so the first thing we want to say is

[49:05] » I'll have that fixed. >> Let's make sure the header looks the way

[49:08] it's supposed to when it gets printed out.

[49:10] » Okay. >> Okay. Uh fix header. Okay. Uh

[49:16] » picking up on Bob's comment from the last meeting, I agree that sewer

[49:20] commission is in too small of a font. on the header and I think sewer

[49:27] commission should be enlarged.

[49:32] » Well, that's the new that's the new even though we're not using it yet on our on

[49:37] these things on our legal notices. Isn't that the new way of of town hall putting

[49:42] out their >> stationary?

[49:44] » Only if you say this this is your this is your letterhead.

[49:48] Don't we have to comply with what they're do we doing everything in the

[49:52] first election's office >> with regard to

[49:55] » I think everything is a recommendation >> but if we look at the way the some plump

[50:00] some pump compliance statement is if you look at it there it's all the same font

[50:06] top all the same size all the same font >> that's the way it should be this to me

[50:12] looks mishimoiled >> look again I think it's as easy as us

[50:16] saying we'd like it bigger We don't have to argue about it or

[50:20] question people's motivations and why they did it. If we want it bigger, we

[50:23] can say, "Let's make it bigger." >> Do people like the Do people want sewer

[50:29] commission bigger? >> Yes.

[50:30] » The same size as town. >> I wouldn't do that.

[50:34] » I would at least get it to the end of the T and the N.

[50:37] » Yeah. >> Uh I think that necessarily just going

[50:40] to stretch it sideways. >> Well, you just keep

[50:42] » No, I wouldn't stretch it sideways. I'd increase the font. I'd increased the

[50:45] font size until it got to the same space between T and N.

[50:50] » Uh, stretching is what got us into the problem here or with the oval.

[50:57] » Uh, okay. >> Gotta love graphics.

[50:59] » So, with that, uh, the one of the substantive changes is as of the date of

[51:06] this letter, the sewer department has yet to receive a response to the

[51:10] original request for information dated May 11, 2026. I I thought I heard Peter

[51:15] at the last meeting say uh yet to receive a response from you.

[51:22] » Yes. >> A little more pointed like please pay

[51:26] attention if you've read to the second sentence of the first paragraph. That's

[51:28] not bad. >> That's good.

[51:31] » Um

[51:35] uh all right. Does anybody else have any edits or other changes to this letter?

[51:43] our general comments. >> Sure. Yeah. How do you feel about the

[51:45] letter? >> I don't think it's going to matter

[51:49] » because the people who called the first election's office, which was what

[51:52] prompted this, either don't know how to read, they're idiots.

[51:58] » Wow. That's >> Or I'm sorry, Craig. Go back to any of

[52:00] the previous letters. Go back to the things we sent for 5 years. Where in

[52:04] those those documents did it say call the first selectman if you don't

[52:07] understand this? or else they're people who just want to

[52:12] complain. So, I don't think it matters what letter you sent. If you add more

[52:15] verbiage, I don't think they're going to read it.

[52:18] » The same people who didn't didn't read the one we sent and didn't read the one

[52:21] we sent for 5 years, they're not going to read this one.

[52:24] » They're smoking pot. Whatever. >> I'm not.

[52:26] » You can pick one of many different reasons as to

[52:29] » whoever is going to ignore or defer or choose not to respond or be offended by

[52:35] this letter is not going to change. >> Exactly. uh by the edits that we make.

[52:40] But if there's small things that we can do over time to make this letter that's

[52:45] going to get sent out probably a lot more than twice a little bit better each

[52:48] time, I'm all for it. >> Be more wordy for people who don't read.

[52:52] Okay. >> So, one sentence is more wordy.

[52:55] » Maybe we should make it two pages. Then we can give them two pages not to read.

[52:59] » One sentence is more wordy. >> No.

[53:02] » No. >> Oh, okay.

[53:02] » Who cares? >> Who cares? I think it's

[53:04] » I'm saying who cares. Okay,

[53:08] » who cares what it says? They're not going to read it. The summary compliance

[53:12] statement, which is stuff that they need to fill in, that's more important. The

[53:16] letter, whatever. >> One more time. And perfection is is the

[53:20] enemy of progress. >> Doesn't matter. Anyway, so so we can

[53:23] change it, we cannot change it. My feeling is that the people that are

[53:26] going to call the first selection's office

[53:29] are not reading it. >> You have no idea how many calls I get

[53:32] for stuff you wouldn't even believe. Yeah.

[53:34] » Well, you can we can Peter and I can make a list.

[53:38] » I was ask John, "What's your latest call?" It's just someone make you almost

[53:42] hit the ground. >> I know.

[53:43] » Amazing. >> So, anyway, that's my comment. Doesn't

[53:47] matter. >> Uh, okay. Does anybody else have any

[53:50] other changes that they would like to make to the letter?

[53:53] » Should we put Ed's cell phone number on it

[53:58] » in case it's a weekend? Somebody's got a concern.

[54:03] Well, you know, it is interesting. Now that I'm looking at this letter,

[54:08] » there's no phone number for >> There's no phone number for the sewer

[54:11] department. All right, that's a good ad. Good catch.

[54:16] » Did it get removed by where it's Oh, no. It's something. All right.

[54:19] » Do you want to put it right under sewer commission? Put the phone number.

[54:23] » Um, that's probably a good spot for it. Uh, top bottom. Yeah.

[54:28] » Oh, they won't read that. for the email that sewer commission email.

[54:33] » I think we we opted not to put it on I know I know I didn't want it on there.

[54:37] » Well, here's here's >> it's on the compliance statement.

[54:39] » Here's the email >> at the top.

[54:42] » It's at the top. >> We didn't put it in the letter.

[54:44] » Yeah, >> we I would have preferred to get it in

[54:46] writing your emails and your call. >> You like people sending emails because

[54:51] you've got a record of the conversation. >> That's one. Two, it's easier to track.

[54:54] It's not overwhelming. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[54:56] » Um easier to follow up and follow them through. Mhm.

[54:59] » And we've been storing and saving them too as we go through.

[55:01] » Okay. >> And if they get a call over there,

[55:03] they're going to send it over to you, right?

[55:05] » And they did. They did. It's just some of the comments that were being made um

[55:10] with regards to the letter and the compliance statements, you know,

[55:15] » seemed more of a misunderstanding on what they were reading or what they were

[55:17] looking at.

[55:21] » All right. Any further discussion on the letter?

[55:25] » Okay. Can I get a motion? >> I'll make a motion with your amendment.

[55:28] Make sewer commission fit town of Derenne T to N

[55:32] » T to N. >> Um and uh from you

[55:36] » at Peters from you >> from you

[55:37] » and then make sure the header displays properly.

[55:40] » Yep. >> This is great.

[55:42] » And telephone. >> We have I think we're going to leave

[55:44] that out. >> Sounded like we were

[55:46] » there are people who don't have email but they can call the first selection's

[55:50] office and the first selectman's office because they can apparently find their

[55:53] phone number whereas they can't find the sewer commission phone number. But, you

[55:57] know, I think that that in this day and age, there's plenty of ways to get in

[56:00] touch. >> Yes, I do agree with that.

[56:03] » Plenty of ways. >> All right. So, do we have a second on

[56:07] Reese's motion? >> All right. Mr. Van Winkle makes a

[56:11] second. Any further discussion on the motion? All those in favor? All right.

[56:17] Letter is edited. >> And opposed?

[56:19] » Oh, yeah. All those posted. Sorry. 41. >> It's fair. It's It's a worthy

[56:24] » No, no, no. I I just forget. Uh, so it's all good. Superintendent report.

[56:29] » Superintendent report. Very good.

[56:35] Just a little update on the rehab, phase three rehab. You know, the lining

[56:41] has been substantially completed. Um, there's one

[56:45] or two small sections that are left. Uh, service connection grouting has been

[56:50] ongoing. It's about 45% completed this time. They'll be here this week and I

[56:54] believe into next. Um lateral cleaning and CCTV work uh has three more days

[57:01] remaining on their list. Um some remaining uh lateral lining is to be

[57:07] scheduled. So we have to go back and do a couple um couple more of those.

[57:12] » So we're done with the pipes. We just have to go back and fix a couple

[57:15] laterals. >> Yep. And then the manholes making sure

[57:17] they're any >> Fantastic. But I always feel like the

[57:19] pipes >> epoxy lining

[57:20] » pipes is the big one. are the big ones. >> Um

[57:26] or what we're finding with some of the service laterals is uh

[57:31] um some pumps were blowing out some of our lateral lining. So we couple backups

[57:39] that we had to look at. We'll have more information on that at our next meeting

[57:42] with regards to damages, anything like that.

[57:45] » Oh, so we're trying to do a lateral lining and then there's flow coming in

[57:49] anyway. >> Yeah.

[57:50] » And people aren't flushing. >> Yeah. One was a um a washing machine

[57:55] that was after the time that they gave him the window they and the other one

[58:00] was a sump pump that was >> discharging.

[58:03] » Yes. >> Yes. And that's another one that we got

[58:06] disconnected. >> Okay.

[58:09] » All right. So that's uh phase three. phase two engineering

[58:14] is as you um they're just the reason that she wasn't here that there's some

[58:20] data that they want to go back and refine. It happened to do with the area

[58:23] down in Roen Bay um multiple meters down there. Um they're close together. Well,

[58:30] I think that what they were worried about was the turbulent flow giving them

[58:33] some some readings that that were giving them negative flows when they started

[58:38] doing the calculations. So, they're going to go back and do a little bit

[58:41] more research on that before they come to you and present to you.

[58:44] » Um, not something that occurs all the time, but it's happened before in those

[58:47] tight smaller areas. >> Save that special meter. Maybe Craig

[58:50] will need it on one of these jobs.

[58:55] » Uh, number C, I just wanted to bring you up to speed on

[59:00] um for Seagate Road. As you see, it's noticed it's never been

[59:06] built. Um, don't know why the house has been there for a while, but what I uh I

[59:13] give you the good news when we give money back. I give you the or the bad

[59:15] news. I give you the good news when we got collected. So, you know, there they

[59:19] are out there. Every once in a while, we do come across them, especially with

[59:21] house sales. Um, when they do find out that it's still on septic. Um, so we

[59:27] will be billing them that amount. >> Um,

[59:32] » when was that hooked up? Was that an older home?

[59:35] It's It's the one of the original houses.

[59:39] » So, it's always been on sewer. >> It's always been on sewer.

[59:42] » Someone got a deal. >> They did.

[59:44] » How did you discover it sold? >> Uh, a sale on the sale of the house.

[59:50] » So, we made him camera the line. Uh, developed an asbuilt from it, created a

[59:55] a lateral file and created a bill that goes back three years.

[1:00:01] » Wow. Did they have a stop?

[1:00:09] » It's a definite possibility. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a that's a question that

[1:00:14] we'll we'll find out as we get the reports back. Um, and the last item I

[1:00:19] just want to mention is that Joanne was provided me the the final numbers on the

[1:00:24] connection fees. Just so you folks know, it's uh for this past fiscal year um

[1:00:29] just over $290,000 of connection fees that we got and one one or two one large

[1:00:36] large development and a couple developments included in there. But uh

[1:00:41] just wanted to point that out to you. >> 10 years ago that would have been zero,

[1:00:44] right? Five years ago whenever >> five years ago we just started

[1:00:48] connection fees about five years ago. >> Cool.

[1:00:53] » Thanks. just mention it. That's that's all I have.

[1:00:56] » Darren, anything? >> No, sir.

[1:00:58] » Any questions for the superintendent?

[1:01:04] All right. Any new business?

[1:01:11] All right, Peter, you're up. >> I make a motion.

[1:01:17] » All those in favor? >> Second.

[1:01:19] » No second. >> I'll second.

[1:01:22] » Thank you, channel 79. We're all set.

Sewer Commission 9-8-26

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