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[18:53] welcome you to the Davidson County Board of Commissioners Thursday November the

[18:56] 7th meeting uh Miss Watford would you lead us with the U invocation and the

[19:02] Pledge of Allegiance yes sir thank you very much um someone sent me um Thomas

[19:08] Jefferson's prayer for the nation uh which was given on March the 4th

[19:14] 1801 but I think this prayer certainly fits today's times as well so if you'll

[19:20] bow and pray with me almighty God who has given us this good land for our

[19:26] heritage we humbly beseech thee that that we may always prove ourselves a

[19:30] people mindful of thy favor and glad to do thy will bless our land with

[19:35] honorable Ministry sound learning and pure manners save us from violence

[19:41] Discord and confusion from pride and arrogance and from every evil way defend

[19:47] our liberties and fashion into one United people the multitude brought

[19:51] hither out of many kindreds and tongues endow us with a spirit of wisdom who

[19:57] Those whom in the thy name we entrust the authority of government that there

[20:02] be Justice and peace at home and that through obedience to thy law we may show

[20:07] forth thy praise among the nations of the

[20:10] Earth in time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness and in the day

[20:14] of trouble suffer not our trust in thee to fail all of which we ask through

[20:19] Jesus Christ Our Lord amen amen amen I pledge aliance to to the flag of

[20:28] the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation

[20:34] under God indivisible with liberty and justice for

[20:39] all beautiful prayer that was thank you thank you uh can I get a motion to

[20:45] excuse uh commissioner mael please move second all in favor I I any opposed that

[20:53] motion carries um Mr Shores if you'll do the

[20:57] recognition of veterans please thank you Mr chairman do we have any veterans with

[21:01] us today if you would are a veteran would you please stand and be

[21:07] recognized no veterans Mr chairman all right register for public address

[21:11] anybody wanting to do so the clipboards right over here on the table and under

[21:17] the clerk adoption of the agenda uh Mr Smith has asked for a closed session for

[21:22] personnel be added to the agenda that DSS social work pay discussion be added

[21:28] to agenda item 7M are there any other changes to the

[21:32] agenda no sir seeing no other changes Mr chairman i' make a motion that we

[21:37] approve the agenda as amended all right we got a motion we have a second second

[21:42] all in favor I any opposed Deb do you want it on the computer or do you just

[21:47] fly through like this that's just mine okay um if we get some real

[21:53] controversial stuff we'll do it on on the iPad okay

[21:59] all right public address Mr Martins anybody on public address here no sir Mr

[22:03] chairman okay all right items uh

[22:08] 7A presentation of Williams Company Southeast Supply enhancement project Mr

[22:15] Smith thank you Mr chairman um I think we've got the folks from Williams here

[22:18] come on forward if you can um you guys know about you m are you you know it but

[22:23] you had heard it in a while about the big pipeline coming down from up North

[22:26] through right almost through the middle of the state here running right by our

[22:29] area and these folks want to want to update you on kind of the progress of

[22:32] the project so invite them here for Thursday morning meeting how are you

[22:35] good morning Podium right there please yep thank you good morning Commissioners

[22:40] thank you for your time um forward backward thank you so uh my name is Kyle

[22:45] Tarpley uh I'm a community and Outreach specialist with Williams um and I'm here

[22:50] to tell all of you today about our uh proposed project plans um for the

[22:55] southeast Supply uh enhancement project um it is a um this is sorry this is

[23:02] Williams footprint um I think you all are pretty familiar with the Transco

[23:05] pipeline that runs through the area um it has been um in service moving um

[23:12] volumes of gas um since the uh 1960s um this project um is meeting

[23:18] demand for affordable energy in Virginia and the Carolinas as well as um Georgia

[23:23] and Alabama um the proposed project is an expansion of our existing system

[23:29] uh the way we are moving this additional volume is through looping uh which is

[23:33] laying pipeline next to our existing uh pipeline Corridor so the impact to land

[23:39] owners and uh Land Resources is minimal um as well as in uh

[23:44] increasing uh compression at our existing compressor stations um along

[23:49] the line in Davidson we have one in Lexington um that's uh we refer to that

[23:54] as station 155 that's on Becky Hill Road um I got a question for you as we go is

[23:59] this refined gasoline is that what we're moving no it's natural gas natural gas

[24:03] yeah dry natural gas um the same that you might use to um to if you have a gas

[24:08] stove or um uh you know hot water heating um the expansion uh will provide

[24:14] reliable um and um cost efficient gas um to to the footprint um because we are an

[24:21] interstate pipeline um any changes to our system are regulated by the Federal

[24:25] Energy Regulatory Commission uh we just just last week um filed our what's

[24:31] called a 7c application um to um to uh continue on with the development of this

[24:37] project uh we work not only with Federal Regulators but um State as well so uh we

[24:44] would need to work with the ncdeq on um water quality and air permitting as well

[24:49] and I have a a slide on that um later on um this project will add approximately

[24:55] 1.6 million decms of gas um to our system we have uh a lot of customers in

[25:02] the Carolinas primarily Duke and uh pedmont who have come to us and said we

[25:07] we need more gas we need you to develop a project to bring it um to our service

[25:12] area so that's what this uh project is hoping to deliver

[25:16] on um this is the project map um throughout the its entire footprint um I

[25:22] have I think I have a map for Davidson I do um so as you can see it's quite um

[25:26] quite a large Geographic footprint um for our company but that the whole

[25:30] Blue Line you see is just a piece of our Transco pipeline that runs from South

[25:35] Texas up to New York so as I said earlier it's we've been here we've been

[25:39] operating here we we hope we are good neighbors and good stewards and we will

[25:43] continue to to to be so throughout the development and hopefully execution of

[25:47] this project um the North Carolina and then

[25:51] Davidson County specific scope of work um is um 28.4 miles of pipeline looping

[25:57] um in this County it would be about 10 miles of of pipeline going in again as I

[26:02] said it was next to our existing right of-way Corridor so we are you know we're

[26:07] not go it may be land that has not been touched but it is within our right of

[26:11] way so we're not you know clearing virgin land excuse me to um to to

[26:17] accomplish this um and then we are also um undertaking upgrades to existing

[26:22] compressor stations in Davidson and ell so um in Davidson um the up upgrades to

[26:28] the compressor station would be adding three new low emitting turbines gas

[26:33] fired turbines at the station there have been separate projects that we have

[26:37] undertaken at this station um to also um undertake significant emissions

[26:43] reductions so it is not a part of the southeast Supply enhancement but the

[26:47] company has undertaken work to um to um retire um Legacy reciprocating uh

[26:56] engines and replace them with um modern state-of-the-art uh turbin so what

[27:02] you'll be seeing at um at station 155 is the culmination of of two different

[27:08] projects it would be our emissions reductions uh program um which as I said

[27:14] retired those old uh engines and then if this project is approved we would be

[27:19] adding three new turbines um we do not need additional land um beyond our our

[27:25] fence line our property line uh with the except of probably temporary

[27:29] construction workspace but we don't need to acquire additional land to um

[27:35] accomplish the goals of this project um so a little bit about our

[27:38] project schedule and permits um we initiated our the pre-filing process

[27:43] with FK um in the beginning of this year that's an opportunity it's it's a it's

[27:48] an elective uh process um for the company to to get um to get feedback

[27:54] from local communities from land owners um from opposition um uh and it it

[28:01] allows us to have um an open dialogue with FK and participating agencies

[28:06] before we enter the 7c process so uh we undertook that for nine nine or 10

[28:12] months out of this year um I'm sure several of my colleagues have had um

[28:16] conversations I believe with the county manager um before this so the company

[28:21] believes strongly in ongoing dialogue and ongoing information exchange with

[28:26] our stakeholders and so you know we've we've touched you before I'm here today

[28:31] and I I want to you know um make a commitment that um this is an what I

[28:36] hope is an ongoing conversation throughout throughout um our schedule

[28:39] and permitting um Milestones um so as I mentioned we filed

[28:44] our application with FK uh just last week um and that will kick off a a very

[28:48] thorough um environmental review that that FK will undertake um they will

[28:53] examine uh the impacts of our project the cumulative impacts of other

[28:58] infrastructure projects in the area not just Federal but local as well um and

[29:03] they uh we expect that they will issue um their final environmental impact

[29:08] statement um so you know everything that the project might might bring to bear on

[29:13] on Water and Air resources um by the end of next year

[29:19] um due to a a regulatory uh rehearing process where um interested parties can

[29:26] challenge FKS um decision there is a little bit of a delay in between when um

[29:31] FK issues our order and when construction can begin so that's why

[29:35] there is a a gap in the in that in the quarters of 2026 um and then hopefully

[29:41] the project is placed into service by um the 4th quarter of

[29:45] 2027 in terms of mobilization and and construction impacts in the area you're

[29:50] not going to see anything until until that third quarter of

[29:54] 2026 um the major permits that we need to apply for um in in the state include

[29:59] um uh the section 401 uh Clean Water Act uh water quality certificate from ncdeq

[30:05] as well as um two air permits for station 155 and station 150 um we expect

[30:12] that those will be um there minor modifications uh according to ncdeq so

[30:17] it is a new source minor new source review uh I do not know if there are

[30:22] public comment periods associated with that but if there are we would be um we

[30:27] would um be happy to work work with you to let you know that we would be back in

[30:31] the area um around that um that comment and hearing

[30:36] time um just want to reiterate that um while we are expanding um and increas

[30:43] expanding the volume of gas and increasing the horsepower coming through

[30:46] that station uh because of the prior work that Erp emissions reductions

[30:50] program work that we undertook and this proposed work um the it's significant

[30:55] emissions reductions from um our what's called a a potential to emit um in terms

[31:01] of nox and uh CO2 um so while there is an increase in Horsepower uh we have

[31:08] taken steps to make sure that we are limiting our impacts on the air

[31:12] shed um I did want to just take a little bit of a um a you know moving away from

[31:17] just the project and talk more about um some of the economic uh impacts um

[31:22] especially in this County uh that yall can expect um this is just so this is a

[31:27] it's a 1 point I think it's a 1.5 billion investment from the company uh

[31:32] but in this County alone the total capitalized investment um is expected to

[31:36] be over $34 million um about 130 million of that comes from material and

[31:42] procurement expenses within the county and another 175 million comes from

[31:47] construction and development costs I got a quick question also said Casey this

[31:51] one's for you is this a taxable U uh item that she's talking about I'm not

[31:56] sure I'll need to check uh we have numbers I don't have them at hand but we

[32:00] have numbers that we can share with you it's um there there's also um later on

[32:05] there's uh there's one time local tax revenue benefit of that and that is I

[32:09] think that is that is from uh this uh capital investment David would this be

[32:15] something you guys can check on to see about property tax I think it might

[32:21] tax yeah okay all right excuse me I got to ask as we go Okay so it's a good

[32:28] question thank you well While We're stopped may I ask is this station 150

[32:33] and our you said 55 and 150 is 150 in our area no 150 is in ell ma'am okay

[32:40] yeah thank you uh well close by um so um the the economic impact um you know what

[32:48] kind of jobs y'all might expect to um you know have in the area we're assuming

[32:53] a 12month construction schedule um and so is estimated

[32:58] um that there would be 251 construction jobs uh with about 40% of that coming

[33:03] from the local Workforce um $2.7 million in wages and benefits and then an

[33:08] additional $9 million um in economic output so that is all of the the extra

[33:13] the ripple effect of um the construction um Workforce presence um in the county

[33:20] um and then um the the fiscal impact um what y'all can expect to you know take

[33:25] um is um uh again this is um this is anticipated um 3 million in a one-time

[33:32] local tax revenue and that's from those material and construction costs and um

[33:38] then an ongoing $1 million in annual

[33:43] revenue that is that is what I have question questions Mr chairman all right

[33:49] Mr shers has got a couple questions thank you ma'am for that presentation

[33:53] can you go back to your uh I think did one of those Maps uh did

[33:58] it go look at water or of that stuff I don't guess any of them did uh a couple

[34:04] of them maybe are you crossing water at any

[34:08] point here or um in Davidson um I I do not know the answer to that I can get I

[34:14] I can get you that answer we do have a few uh watersheds that we are going

[34:18] through do you know which ones they are um the banister which I believe is more

[34:23] in Rockingham County um and the Dan River

[34:27] up there

[34:33] too and those um those methods of Crossing um we usually uh we have to

[34:40] assess the geologic feasibility of it but we typically um under under Rivers

[34:45] do what's called horizontal directional drilling uh so you know we we like bore

[34:50] down underneath the riverbed far enough below for safety and then come back up

[34:55] the other side that is a very long process C it's a lot longer than just um

[35:00] trenching pipe in in uh in open ground um but we have um we have a history of

[35:06] doing it and doing it well um and we don't undertake that process without a

[35:10] lot of um feasibility and um evaluation on the front end okay and and my um my

[35:19] other question is you said you you were looping

[35:23] so I'm assuming what you're saying is for Layman you're putting in a bigger

[35:27] pipe that is uh uh upgraded and and better

[35:32] for the environment are you taking the old one down no so um you're going to

[35:37] have both of them running so we'll have in this area we what um we actually have

[35:41] three what we call Main lines we have three main lines right now and we would

[35:45] be laying a fourth one parallel to those three okay and you are right that is a

[35:49] larger diameter pipe but the other ones will stay in existence the other ones

[35:54] will stay in existence um you know as as I mentioned at at the the beginning um

[35:59] our our system our the Transco system is is at capacity um but we are an open

[36:05] system so if a a a customer like Duke comes to us and says you know we would

[36:09] like you to develop a project uh to move you know a x volume of gas for us we we

[36:15] have to we have to develop it and and and try to permit it for you know for

[36:19] that customer once we have agreements in place with them um so um that you know

[36:24] the these three lines are already moving all the gas they can and that's why we

[36:28] need the fourth okay so when you say looping does that mean that it's it's

[36:33] it's circling it's not circular no it's just um it's just circular I mean the

[36:38] the products moving continuously in in the lines well it it

[36:44] is it it will be it'll be constant flow of gas but it's it it could either flow

[36:50] north or south um part of not not in Davidson but part of the um our uh

[36:56] what's our projects scope in um in Alabama and Georgia is actually um to

[37:02] we're not putting in new pipe but we are um making modifications to change the

[37:07] way that those pipes can flow currently um they're flowing uh uh north um but

[37:13] because there's so much gas coming from the marcelis uh we have a need to be

[37:16] able to have uh some gas come south from you know West Virginia and Pennsylvania

[37:21] down to markets um in the Gulf Coast the gas here is is staying here we have

[37:26] customers all along on our footprint not just Duke we have municipalities in

[37:30] Georgia and Alabama who who are taking small deliveries of gas um so it the

[37:35] this really is this is not a um a Market expansion this is a a a local

[37:41] distribution um you know like like it is a local customer demand um Expansion

[37:47] Project but we do need to be able to have our pipe flow north and south I got

[37:52] you I just I'm going work but I'm good you got anything Mr

[37:57] yeah for not a question but I'd like to thank

[38:02] you uh energy Independence for all of our nation is number one on our priority

[38:07] and uh after the most recent election we know that there's going to be an uptick

[38:12] in production here so we support y'all 1,000% we hope that you're adding more

[38:16] lines to go through where we can be energy independent here in the United

[38:20] States of America thank you for what you're doing if it can drive down and

[38:25] provide gas to um I mean our countyy is growing heads over Tails so we're going

[38:30] to be needing more capacity too so thank you for what you're doing I think y'all

[38:34] have done a tremendous job thank you thank you for your time I got one other

[38:37] question these turbines that you say you upgrading to do you have a picture of

[38:41] those or can you give us I don't but I can I I can certainly find a model like

[38:45] there um because it's hard to read on this map here um but there we employ

[38:50] different models from different um companies um solar is one um so I'm sure

[38:55] I could I'm sure I could um ask our engineering team for you said this is a

[38:59] a wind turbine is that no no no gas fired well okay gas fired but there's no

[39:05] so is it set in the ground under the ground so um the the so the the turbines

[39:10] are uh will be like enclosed in a in a building um I actually I have renderings

[39:14] that I will I will leave um okay with you if I may please um and to show you

[39:19] what the existing site looks like and then what you can expect it to look like

[39:23] um when construction is complete um but these are you know these are these are

[39:27] large large engines that are housed in you know um steel sided buildings and

[39:34] then they are connected to um you know valving and piping underground I go you

[39:39] okay all right yeah if you don't mind sharing that chairman look something

[39:42] like that yeah like it yeah I'd like to see the size and

[39:48] that kind of thing they are not they are not small sir but um but I I I think

[39:52] you'll with I think the renderings will help and then um um you so you'll not

[39:56] you'll not see the turbin from the street you'll just see the the building

[39:59] and I guess they soundproof and not very they're sound attenuated um and the

[40:04] newer models that we are using um definitely have um uh better deciel

[40:10] levels than than than the old ones that we had to retire so it'll be quieter

[40:15] than the ones that's there now they they should be um also because we are

[40:19] federally regulated FK has a decel level um that that we are required to achieve

[40:26] from the nearest noise sensitive area and the way that that is Def a noise

[40:30] sensitive area is usually um measured from our fence line not from the not

[40:36] from the building but from our fence line to I don't know what the number of

[40:40] feet is I I can't recall but you know 500 feet 1,000 feet you know from that

[40:45] fence line we are determining what the the decibel level is we will be um we

[40:51] usually do I don't want to I'm fairly certain that we will undertake um pre

[40:56] and post post construction noise studies um if we are not doing that um I will I

[41:01] will let you know um but that's a that's a very typical practice that we

[41:04] undertake especially with with new um this isn't a new site but new um new

[41:10] infrastructure at an existing site um so that there should not be a perceptible

[41:16] difference in the noise coming from that station and you said that's a f decimal

[41:21] it's a it's a it's a firk um FK puts that uh that requirement on us and 55

[41:27] ibles is just a little bit louder than the hum of your refrigerator 55 is that

[41:31] the um that's the F that's the FK limit if you don't mind send that information

[41:35] to Debbie and Debbie pass that along to Jason because I got some other thought

[41:39] processes uh I think we're thinking in the same same direction

[41:43] yeah okay all right there no other questions uh thank you very much good

[41:48] presentation anything else you needed from from them I I seem to mention

[41:52] something about a letter of support for a resolution resolution or something of

[41:56] that nature well I mean if if if you're so moved um we have had um certain

[42:01] counties and other Footprints of this project um offer suppor of resolutions

[42:07] um uh about the project and about the benefits in in their County um and um

[42:12] they have been posted to the the FK docket which is like the the public

[42:16] record for the project um if if that is something um that you would even

[42:22] consider um we could we could Supply draft language for that if you don't

[42:26] mind is that something is that be good with me I don't you can we have a

[42:30] meeting next Tuesday night if you can get it to me in a template and I'll let

[42:33] out and take a look at it okay yes we can do that thank you all right thank

[42:37] you thank you very much U next item on the agenda 7B discussion installing

[42:43] microchip scanning stations for lost pets Mr chairman before I do that M Paul

[42:48] if I can just a real quick can I move ask that the board move 9h up for this

[42:52] discussion real quick Heather hedrick's here from day Martin I think she's got

[42:55] to leave it's not I think it'll be a terribly long item we can please okay

[43:00] we'll move that item up um and I think I can walk you guys through it um

[43:05] Partners has a remaining balance ofe money of $279,000 that didn't get draw

[43:11] down I guess over last year or the year before something of that nature anyway

[43:15] it's available to us to use for mental health services Trish and I got together

[43:19] with uh uh with them to get their kind of blessing for adding basically two

[43:24] more staff members to do crisis management helping an ass assisting in

[43:27] areas we know we got problems with you know uh permanency planning and child

[43:31] welfare so it's it' be a one- time use of the funds last for a year to use the

[43:36] 279 to add staff and the operating that goes along with it if you guys are okay

[43:40] it's not coming through your books it's money you've already give that they have

[43:44] on their side if that makes sense I would ask that the board entertain

[43:47] partners and daymart working together to amend their agreements to provide this

[43:51] service for okay what number was that case 9 78

[44:01] okay so this is um this is Partners money no it's you know you guys give

[44:06] them money every year so it's your money and that's why I'm asking you for

[44:09] permission your permission because I don't feel like you know you guys in

[44:13] charge of where it goes but remember it's for mental health services we gave

[44:16] it to them for that so I kind of got with them on the front end and said with

[44:20] this type of service be okay and they agreed and said yes it's fine so um I

[44:25] talked to them about opioids a little bit and that couldn't get kind of the

[44:28] opioid part covered with um tied unless it's all for mental health does that

[44:32] make sense so I'm okay with this cuz you guys know we kind of you know we need to

[44:37] beef up our our service area down there in permanency planning and child welfare

[44:40] anyways so is this something TR you want to explain maybe what

[44:46] um is this somebody that's going to be working through you and maybe we talked

[44:50] about this at the DSs meeting I don't

[44:54] know together so so um when when I've talked

[44:59] to the board both DSS and this board um you hear from me the uh case loads have

[45:06] increased the complexity of the cases the situations families find themselves

[45:11] in are often above um and Beyond the scope of what my staff can handle

[45:18] because of mental health drug use um and so in talking to Billy and Heather and

[45:24] the folks at Daymark um when this money became

[45:27] available through partners because it had not been spent um from the county

[45:32] mou we talked about adding staff who would be um DSS house but Daymark staff

[45:41] they would go out with DSS staff on initiating reports and when families are

[45:47] escalated when there's mental health they would be there to help and then

[45:52] after we leave um or even while we're still there they would visit the family

[45:57] and if dayar has Services they can provide they would sort of add those

[46:02] services to the family or help us connect the family to other services and

[46:06] we feel that this will help potentially keep some children out of foster care um

[46:12] and help our families move along and we've had some very very difficult cases

[46:16] so with the support of the clinical staff and and um Partners called it more

[46:22] of a community outreach sort of extension kind of program but it is a

[46:28] definite partnership and then if Daymark has um if the staff that's working with

[46:35] us doesn't have the capacity or the ability to fully serve then Daymark has

[46:40] other services that we can link to and we feel like that will be a really good

[46:45] benefit for our fam so is is this going to be money that you'll see that it

[46:50] draws down from and if they don't use it I mean it it's 279,000 for a year I here

[46:57] right all right Partners is adding the money to Daymar contract and we will

[47:04] together monitor it and if there are services that we could expend the money

[47:09] on that let's say we haven't expended all the money then Billy and Heather

[47:13] they're committed to to making sure that but they they could be credits too

[47:17] though if they don't use all the money right and it could roll over roll over

[47:21] so it can roll over Partners I I'm not sure if there will be any money left but

[47:26] I believe we talked about it did not have to be because we're almost through

[47:30] this year right so there may be some rollover um and partners was willing to

[47:35] do that um we've worked with Jackie Copeland when uh Casey and I met with uh

[47:40] the CEO they were very supportive of this and other lmes do similar things

[47:46] and so if it's successful we might be able to like have a program that

[47:50] partners then provides you know outside of what we already do right so this this

[47:56] starts this started in July well no it hadn't started yet but

[48:01] the money would have started in July is that what I'm well I'm not sure yeah I'm

[48:06] not sure how it came about they had money available it's it could have been

[48:09] from the past and it's it's multiple years worth of funds that somehow didn't

[48:12] get draw down if that makes sense I got you we thought it was tied to a bill and

[48:16] Trish went through all our bills and we we talked to them about it when they

[48:19] came and said are you sure there wasn't a bill that didn't get paid that you now

[48:22] we found no they went through their books and said no this is 279 is

[48:26] available and I said okay well then you guys are owed cuz you gave the money

[48:30] right to declare what you would like to put it to that's why we're here this

[48:33] morning so that's a that's a great question from the chairman does this

[48:36] money go until the calendar year or the fiscal year like he was talking about it

[48:41] would it would go until it runs out so if it stretches across the fiscal year

[48:45] it doesn't matter it's going to go till the 279 is gone we anticipate it being a

[48:49] 12-month process that makes sense I mean it may bleed into 15 months or something

[48:54] of that nature I mean do we know what the charge is for these folks here that

[48:57] you're wanting to so in your packet I believe you have a budget and so they

[49:02] they've laid out the salary they expect to pay that person Plus benefits and so

[49:07] um I don't have that budget in front of attached to the but um so there that is

[49:12] the charge plus they've um committed to Daymark has committed to some after hour

[49:18] support so you see that in so it's not quite two positions but it gives us

[49:23] almost 247 coverage and typically um when we were talking it could take up to

[49:30] four people to do this right because you're doing

[49:33] 24/7 but they're committing to using their existing programs to continue to

[49:38] support us so we're really getting a bargain um at

[49:42] 1.8 position so we feel really good about this and I know um when I talked

[49:48] to to Billy working through the process I think it's going to be good for the

[49:52] community as well okay

[49:57] so the 176 you're saying divide that into two

[50:01] so we're looking at 88,000 per person plus and that's the

[50:06] you know the benefits too well the employee benefit start is on the next

[50:08] line so yeah I guess it would be well I think that includes some supervision so

[50:13] it's probably 1.8 but those people need some supervision and if it so clinicians

[50:21] you've got staff cases so there's going to be some administrative so it may we

[50:26] actually may get more than 1.8 out of that salary am I saying that

[50:32] right you are right so I don't want to all these Physicians will have to be

[50:37] clinically supervised these folks will have to have a clinical supervisor on

[50:41] call 247 in case we need to respond with CPS

[50:45] to an after hours call and one of our staff members is going out if they have

[50:48] a clinical question they have to have a licensed person that they can be able to

[50:52] staff that case with to come up with a plan of action so because this is going

[50:56] to be a 247 service where we're going to make ourselves available to Trish and

[51:00] her team whenever they need so that they have a partner and somebody who can

[51:05] actually go out with CPS when you guys get these late night calls it is more

[51:12] um cost uh more cost because of the 247 coverage and the need to have the

[51:18] availability of a qualified license staff who can provide support to that

[51:21] staff we want to provide quality care and make sure that those clinical

[51:25] decisions are made timely quickly and by an appropriate staff

[51:29] person if I may Mr chairman I may be confused here and what

[51:34] I'm seeing but it says crisis it says admin on call

[51:41] 75,000 and then Crisis Care manager so both of these are the what I'm seeing

[51:47] and what I'm understanding is the two positions that you would be adding to

[51:51] Daymark would be two supervisors not staff people no there will be two staff

[51:57] people who will have to be supervised where I can see the licensed

[52:02] staff so we we call um the like um their case managers or care managers they're

[52:10] not really supervisors that's their title but they manage a case so that's

[52:16] why they're called managers is that what you're looking at

[52:20] yes where it says Crisis Care manager yeah so that is a crisis care social

[52:24] worker staff person but the title is care manager or care coordinator we have

[52:30] case managers it's just the term it's really

[52:34] not a supervisor or manager as we would think of it in like supervision would

[52:41] that be accurate J well a big part of that is overtime

[52:46] that's what you're see if you look to the right you see that's what Heather's

[52:48] talking about since you're getting 24hour coverage that the 176 is builing

[52:53] in overtime and that was my because we do

[52:57] so much um we have so much um emergent need after hours we're

[53:04] seeing very very difficult cases children with um you know brain brain

[53:11] damage I mean there's been a lot of physical and and there's just been a lot

[53:17] going on in our community so these positions will help staff and the

[53:21] families when we go out and see these crisis situations

[53:26] like everything else I just want to make sure we track it okay and make sure

[53:30] we're getting a good bang for a buck absolutely I mean if this person's only

[53:34] going out once every two months then well they would be house with us so the

[53:39] intent would be um they may not go out on every call if we get a h a call

[53:45] that's let's say a dirty house um we would not um probably partner with them

[53:51] but then we would maybe have them go with us on a pery planning cas where a

[53:57] foster child is having an issue or the foster parent is struggling with some

[54:01] behaviors of the foster child so they will support all of gel welfare um but

[54:07] we will ask them to go out on those really really difficult when we get a

[54:11] call and we're like oh my gosh we really need some support and that so it will be

[54:15] a multi factored um process they won't go out with every

[54:22] CPS you will track it for us then and let us yes we will make sure that we

[54:25] come up with um reporting or what sort of

[54:29] reporting or something so our staff do day sheets and we could do something

[54:34] like that so we know what what kind of usage because you saying this may be

[54:37] something that's needed in the future so we need to see if it's something that's

[54:42] uh for sure beneficial my concern is you know that just the math is technically

[54:49] not math and for me cuz when you take the the 176 and I know that includes the

[54:54] overtime but you know despite that it's like 88,000 I know you've got 75,000

[55:00] over here but then the benefits package that's almost

[55:04] 19,000 a little bit over a person um you're looking at over 100,000 per

[55:10] position we want to make sure that these positions are doing what they need to do

[55:13] uh we we push that to our employees that hey look at your total benefit P benefit

[55:19] package that's what you make a year so if these individuals are making over 100

[55:23] Grand a year then we want to make sure that they they're being used ad quately

[55:26] and we can track what they're needing to do um just that's just for me uh may I

[55:33] say something sir yeah go ahead okay okay I think I think what this is going

[55:38] to help knowing what our social workers do

[55:42] and and that's one of their complaints I think uh is that they have so many cases

[55:48] you know and having to do these cases overnight you know it gets to be a a

[55:55] very difficult job so this could be additional help for them as well would

[56:02] you wouldn't you agree so these folks would not be initiating reports because

[56:06] they're not DSS staff but they would be supporting and providing both I I think

[56:11] the support to the social worker because they have a buddy to go out with but

[56:15] also to the family which again alleviates some of the heavy burden on

[56:21] the social worker and when when we can't be there because our loads we're we're

[56:27] some cases we're required to be there once weekly but sometimes that's not

[56:32] enough when a family is in crisis and we've got somebody who's using drugs or

[56:38] having Mental Health crisis that once a week contact for an hour with their

[56:42] social worker is not enough so this position will provide that additional

[56:47] support to the families and again we hope that it will limit or help us avoid

[56:53] kid more kids coming in fost cuz we have almost 210 children in foster care we

[56:59] have increased tremendously since July so we are hoping that this will really

[57:04] help sort of manage some of those things so we don't have to jump immediately to

[57:08] filing a petition for coming into foster care yes with the amount of money that's

[57:14] been allocated that's been allocated how how

[57:18] long do you expect this to to last I think the budget is for a year so

[57:24] we're we're hoping it will last the full year year um and I think that will be up

[57:28] to um us Daymark and us to make sure that hey our overtime budget is more

[57:34] than we projected or those are things that we'll have to manage so we will

[57:39] keep um very close eyes on it and Heather and her team already track the

[57:45] case management work so they've got tracking systems so I feel really

[57:50] comfortable and we can add like a day sheet or something like that for us so

[57:55] that we can also see sort of daytoday what they're doing your opinion Trish do

[58:01] you see that the a program such as this could work against the foster care

[58:08] program that we have by uh someone there's a reason you take a child and

[58:14] put them in foster care but by looking at that child and saying we we'll let

[58:19] them stay in this right here and end up being a dangerous situation for the

[58:23] child no no so the we would never um if the if we go out I mean if the situation

[58:32] requires removal it requires removal and we would not say oh we're going to put a

[58:36] Band-Aid on it um but what we're hoping is that there are some situations that

[58:42] had we had a little more support we could have

[58:45] avoided taking custody it wasn't so severe that we had to do an immediate

[58:50] removal but it was severe enough that that family needed some services and had

[58:56] we been able to put those earlier on we may have saved a child from having to

[59:01] come into foster care sometimes it's parents not knowing how to manage the

[59:05] child's Behavior because it's so difficult traumatizing to the other

[59:10] siblings in the home or the parents they just don't have the capacity or they

[59:14] don't know how to access their Medicaid benefits or they don't know how to

[59:18] access the care coordination system and so this will help I think sort of take

[59:24] their hand and walk walk them through the process so I do think it's going to

[59:29] be a good thing I really do it's not something my staff have time to do with

[59:33] the volume of work I I got a quick question what what will these folks be

[59:37] able to do since they're not DSS employees so what what kind of um

[59:43] communication can they have with the families what what what would be the

[59:47] guidelines that that these folks would would be able to do from what I hear the

[59:51] family can get support from this person too correct yes okay okay so what would

[59:57] be the parameters of so I mean they can't initiate reports but they would be

[1:00:02] um with us when we do and they would be able to I'm not talking about when they

[1:00:08] with you I'm talking about when they're not with when they're not so they can so

[1:00:12] when we go out that let's say the family needs to link up with mental health

[1:00:16] services this person would exit us and then start working with the family even

[1:00:22] when we're not there they would help get them um service they would go out and

[1:00:27] talk to them maybe it's just somebody to talk to they would do some clinical work

[1:00:31] and Heather can speak more to that but they can do the full gamut of what

[1:00:35] dayart provides

[1:00:38] and some of what we do connecting them with other services and probably spend

[1:00:44] more time with families transporting there yeah I'm trying to think of all

[1:00:49] the things there's there's a lot there'll be a lot of opportunity for us

[1:00:53] to be flexible to meet the needs of the individual families and what their needs

[1:00:57] are but you can think of this as the glue so these folks will kind of be the

[1:01:01] glue to help make sure that they stick to the plan that DSS has outlined for

[1:01:07] them which because of the staffing issues is really hard for your staff to

[1:01:11] do right now so we will be the glue to make sure that this person does follow

[1:01:15] through and get that clinical assessment follows through with the recommendation

[1:01:19] to go to detox follows through with getting therapy in place making sure

[1:01:23] that they're using all of their Medicaid Ben benefits appropriately those are all

[1:01:27] things that we can do to ensure that again they're sticking to that plan so

[1:01:32] that those kiddos can remain outside of the foster care

[1:01:36] system okay any other questions I've got one

[1:01:40] more what happens when the funding Runs Out is that something that when when

[1:01:46] when the funding Runs Out are are we are we looking to fund this because I've got

[1:01:51] an issue and and it's nothing against that I love Daymark I absolutely love

[1:01:55] what y'all do but here's the deal our DSS program is taking on water

[1:02:03] and we're trying to save and help our employees that are overworked and

[1:02:07] overstaffed and I know we've got this money but this is a temporary fix to

[1:02:11] something that as the board we need to look at if we need these folks if we

[1:02:16] need those Services I'd rather be putting that money towards a service to

[1:02:20] where we can communicate like uh the chairman said wholeheartedly you know

[1:02:24] with these families and and not have to need the function of maybe another

[1:02:29] service just to keep us to where we can run adequately you know I I want that to

[1:02:34] where we can do it and support you internally so I'm concerned once the

[1:02:40] funding's out we're paying for all of this moving forward and if we're going

[1:02:45] to pay for all this moving forward then we need to look at it you know obviously

[1:02:50] if it's temporary and we can build a budget behind you and help you out

[1:02:54] that's one thing but I've got concerned with once the money runs out so we built

[1:03:00] this program as a pilot for us and um I think I I said other lmes via and some

[1:03:08] of the other lmes are doing some this but we already have a case manager

[1:03:13] embedded who's focused primarily on placement and ccas and there you know

[1:03:19] we've got the case manager who's helping the the jails the

[1:03:23] schools um there may some partnership there that once we're better staff that

[1:03:29] we could morph some of these into that existing position or is so successful

[1:03:34] that we can present to Partners that we'd like to continue it I do not

[1:03:38] foresee that we're I it will be up to daymart but I personally did not go into

[1:03:44] this to say this is another program that I'm going to ask the Board of

[1:03:47] Commissioners to to fund so we're we're trying to do it the with this and it's

[1:03:53] going to help us out now but it may build enough capacity that partner sees

[1:03:59] that it could be successful and and want to continue

[1:04:03] it in our County and other counties 104 that's all I have Mr chair okay well

[1:04:08] let's see how successful yall can make it and if you would I'd like to see a

[1:04:12] report in about 6 months to uh the manager and uh so we can kind of see how

[1:04:18] this pilot programs working so we can tease out those details the two of us

[1:04:23] and we got to get to hiring that's right okay okay thank you that's the problem

[1:04:27] you hire somebody for this and then you got to stop it then there's people

[1:04:31] without jobs you know we always find something for to do we always find

[1:04:35] something we can always use people absolutely no worries about that all

[1:04:40] right thank you'all for your time this morning thank you thank

[1:04:43] you you all are good with putting that on the agenda

[1:04:47] for this is more of a common consent now this won't be a negotiation for us this

[1:04:52] will be between Daymark and partners so if if you guys are okay with it I mean

[1:04:56] I'm glad to give Partners the green light to have that conversation with

[1:04:59] dayar there's nothing for the board to approve in terms of an agreement or a

[1:05:02] contract or unless we wanted the money back and then we' well and even then

[1:05:06] we'd have to turn around and uh well I'm not sure how that would work either you

[1:05:09] know mean we give it to them for mental health services so we try to bring

[1:05:13] commissioner Elliott's Point's valid in the sense that we will have to decide

[1:05:16] when this is over hence the reason why we look at the stats is this something

[1:05:19] we want to continue or not right now we just got this one time money again

[1:05:22] Partners I I want to give I want to do want to say this real quick remember

[1:05:26] this is in addition to the program that they absorbed up where the state was not

[1:05:29] going to supply for the jail management uh the schools and things like that so

[1:05:33] Partners albeit not right here in our face all the time remember they're in

[1:05:37] the background and they've done a good job of taking on these these issues and

[1:05:41] bringing them to us they came to me with this now granted it's our money I got it

[1:05:45] but they came to me and said hey we have this available what would you like to do

[1:05:51] soor Mr chairman are you aware we have an emergency situation at the courthouse

[1:05:56] with sewage and water today yes sir right now i' I've been told that they're

[1:06:02] looking at closing uh the courthouse very soon and getting Disaster Response

[1:06:07] Team there to clean it up you heard anything about that case I have not I'll

[1:06:11] find out probably need to yeah we need to get on Casey whoever's telling you

[1:06:19] okay we have somebody on the way right now toilets okay okay Surly they uh

[1:06:25] maybe few minutes but 104 thank you line problem yes but I know where it started

[1:06:32] in the L's bathroom the

[1:06:36] register all these ladies out no nobody laughed or

[1:06:41] anything the women's restroom all right I thought I could get

[1:06:46] a chuckle anyhow go on uh to microchip scanning stations Casey if you thank Mr

[1:06:51] chairman um Paula come on up with your folks there um Paula Barkley's

[1:06:57] affiliated with an organization you guys are familiar with that helps us with our

[1:07:00] span neuter you know you guys provide those matching funds to help do the spay

[1:07:04] and neuters and Paula came uh to me and I think the chairman as well and asked

[1:07:08] about doing these uh microchip stations them funding them paying for them Etc

[1:07:13] and putting them at locations in the county one perhaps at the sheriff's

[1:07:16] office building and one at the animal shelter whe the where the citizen does

[1:07:20] this themselves so I thought I'd bring them for you this afternoon or this

[1:07:23] morning let you talk let them talk to about what they want to do and then we

[1:07:26] can talk details after they're done

[1:07:32] yeah good morning I'm Paula barley co-founder of Davidson County animal

[1:07:36] Alliance we are here this morning to share with you a microchip scanning

[1:07:41] station the station is a collaboration between Davidson County

[1:07:46] animal Alliance every snout counts of the pedmont and Davidson County Animal

[1:07:52] Control we are requesting permission from you to locate one of the stations

[1:07:57] at the Davidson County Sheriff's Office joining me are Robin Lindsay founder of

[1:08:02] every snout counts officer Souls of Davidson County Animal Control Mindy

[1:08:08] Faircloth vice president of Davidson County animal Alliance and Miss tidley

[1:08:13] Winks who's going to be our chip scan model should you find a stray dog or cat

[1:08:20] in the county you would have access to a microchip scanning station seven days a

[1:08:25] week 24 hours a day the stations will be strategically located at facilities that

[1:08:31] are staffed Around the Clock like the sheriff's department or fire departments

[1:08:35] throughout the county the scan stations are fully equipped with a scanner and

[1:08:41] complete instructions the stations will help lost

[1:08:44] pets with microchips find their way back home quickly and safely without

[1:08:49] involving Animal Control veterinary offices or the animal shelter

[1:08:56] how do they work you ready kly Winks happy to demonstrate kly Winks will

[1:09:03] demonstrate all of you are welcome to come down and practice scanning if you

[1:09:08] would

[1:09:17] like okay your SC out get attached push the little power button in

[1:09:23] the center

[1:09:28] [Music]

[1:09:34] there it is it shows a number on the screen you would scan this code with

[1:09:40] your phone it takes you to a lookup Center where you would enter this code

[1:09:45] and it would give you the owner's information so that the eliminate them

[1:09:50] have to take the dog to the vent or to the animal shelter to be scaned it's

[1:09:54] eliminated would youall like to try

[1:09:58] [Music] it so this will be out there and anybody

[1:10:07] can walk up to it and I'm try it and uh and I I I see it's in there on a chain

[1:10:14] and whatnot but do they have the ability to it's the cop in but 30 some years of

[1:10:20] doing this somebody will figure out a way to cut this off and sell it for

[1:10:24] something others do they have that ability

[1:10:28] at locations where there staff 247 such as the Sheriff's Department police

[1:10:34] department um or fire departments that's why they would have to be located at

[1:10:38] those places to prevent vandalism

[1:10:42] or okay two of the places that you

[1:10:47] mentioned Paula was the animal shelter well we've already got scatters out

[1:10:52] there we' that vandalism issues or anything like

[1:11:00] that have we talked with the sheriff to see if he's successful it being placed

[1:11:04] in sherff dep okay okay have we also talked to like

[1:11:11] Denton police department and Lexington and Thomasville we have not done that

[1:11:15] yet but we will so this is the only one you're going to put in right now this is

[1:11:20] the only one we have right now the cost is right at $400 for this as you see it

[1:11:27] okay so we have to did you get SC so we have to ra funds to purchase the

[1:11:34] components and assemble so I got a real quick question

[1:11:38] I was just looking up on my phone do they make an app that you can scan uh

[1:11:43] microchips with from your iPhone I just read it says they do so I

[1:11:50] don't probably the Apple Air tag um and there I think there is app where you can

[1:11:57] get the microchip number and put the number in but you have to have something

[1:12:01] to scan the microchip you would still need this website you you still need a

[1:12:06] scanner right that's pretty cool could be like

[1:12:10] say I was just thinking that'd be a great idea for somebody to do an app

[1:12:13] need to invent an app for a phone yeah just as just as recently as two weeks

[1:12:20] ago my son's dog got loose and he was picked up and the people down down

[1:12:25] shelter called and said I got your dog we just scanned him got your dog and we

[1:12:29] do have scanners on our trucks now we're on the shift we do scan before putting

[1:12:34] them in the truck we've returned lot of dogs back home just in the last two

[1:12:38] months since we've gotten the microchip scanners um we're trying not to over

[1:12:42] populate our already overpopulated animal shelter right now so if it has a

[1:12:46] scanner or if it has a chip and we scan it and we get a hold of somebody and

[1:12:51] their home we take them home we don't even take them to the shelter anymore so

[1:12:54] y'all just recently got scanners I would have thought y would had scanners a long

[1:12:58] time ago that is pretty cool 400 400 a piece

[1:13:02] that what you said well that whole setup is $400 now the chip scanners we have in

[1:13:07] our vehicles were around $35 $40 um I do get calls all through the night um

[1:13:13] citizens have figured out who I am and somehow have gotten my Facebook or um

[1:13:19] tell cell phone numbers so I have people in calling also all hours of the night

[1:13:24] they'll bring a dog by my house house can you just scan this dog for me so I

[1:13:26] try to find the owner I can't take it home the shelter's not open I have a dog

[1:13:31] that's not going to get along with this dog I want to desperately find the owner

[1:13:34] um so I've had them as late as 1 and two in the morning come by my house I get up

[1:13:38] and I go scan them at my truck um I don't mind however I'd like to sleep um

[1:13:44] so this would provide that for the citizens they wouldn't have right now

[1:13:48] they can only go to the emergency clinic in Wiston Salem so if their way out in

[1:13:52] Denton they're taking them home well then You' got a dog by

[1:13:55] because to their their dog and this dog got to a fight trying to hold the dog

[1:13:59] until the shelter open tomorrow so now I'm doing a fight report and picking up

[1:14:03] the dog and now the dog's get someone um so hopefully would eliminate some of

[1:14:08] that um I know was speaking with Sheriff Simmons um the concern was somebody

[1:14:12] would dump the dog um that's another reason we were trying to put them

[1:14:16] somewhere we've got video camera or someone that you know could be around so

[1:14:20] if somebody does dump the dog um I feel like if they have this available the

[1:14:25] people that are picking up dogs right now are not going and then dumping them

[1:14:29] um they're trying to take them home but at least with this they could scan and

[1:14:34] hopefully that dog will going want to go back home that night and then maybe we

[1:14:37] prevent a dog fight if they go to trouble to seek out one of those with a

[1:14:41] dog they not certainly not going yeah I like it I agree Sheriff Simmons is going

[1:14:47] to tell you about do we have a place in the Southern and the county Todd we

[1:14:50] could put one in how B they are you know that'd be up to the

[1:14:57] um well we don't have anything as far as the county except the library and I'm

[1:15:01] not so sure you want to scan I like it is needed just about a week and

[1:15:08] a half ago had a a dog come up to our house and uh and we didn't know where it

[1:15:14] was at who it belonged to but we were able to scan it it does work we located

[1:15:19] the owner had it back to the owner in a couple of days so we kept the dog until

[1:15:23] we it till we figured out the scan I didn't know about it but it works so you

[1:15:29] say the scanners is only $35 that you use on your truck one weight order for

[1:15:33] our truck are um big the I tell you the biggest expense is probably all the

[1:15:40] hardare right now yeah I'm not talking about that one I'm talking about the one

[1:15:43] you having your truck $35 that's a very inexpensive piece of equipment you know

[1:15:48] ship shipping but I think it was maybe I'd have to get the receipt but I think

[1:15:52] they were like0 something dollars a piece I can't believe we hadn't been

[1:15:55] scanning pets for years I that would have saved us a lot of

[1:16:02] work I love AK scan of quity

[1:16:12] scann just a SC just sherff before you leave what was you planning on placing

[1:16:17] this at at the sheriff department hadn't really thought about

[1:16:21] it I was thinking about you know we hadn't got there there yet but somewhere

[1:16:26] in the parking lot there next to a camera mhm cuz we do have

[1:16:31] video cameras and everything you're good with it they're paying for it I don't

[1:16:35] see uh I don't have any issue at all as long

[1:16:41] [Music] as I'm all for that I am too I love

[1:16:46] because I think the returns would be would far out way the investment and I

[1:16:50] like the idea of the fire departments that are open 24 hours

[1:16:55] throughout the county we can't give them permissions

[1:16:58] for the fire department well no you have to go to the fire departments but most

[1:17:02] of them go for um maybe I don't why can't we open that up to adopt a

[1:17:07] microchip scanner and we can get a sign made in memory of or an honor of like

[1:17:12] they do the highway sign you know that would kind of be a fundraiser that's

[1:17:16] brilliant that is a great idea I would I would do that that is brilliant that

[1:17:21] whole thing and put it up somewhere that that right there is brilliant

[1:17:28] yeah I ain't ly I have a question about chips and dogs how how how how many

[1:17:34] people do you think actually have chips so right now um when we go out and we're

[1:17:39] picking up a dog and it gets returned off say we have to go there for to check

[1:17:44] to make sure they got already these vacine done always run that large um I'm

[1:17:49] telling them hey if you go pay the $25 to get your dog microchip if I pick this

[1:17:55] dog up I'm going to bring it home as long as your radies is current I'm going

[1:18:01] to bring it home if the rabies is not current we then get with Robin here who

[1:18:05] goes in the field with us every Thursday on her own dime wow does Ries vac seines

[1:18:11] for these people for $7 so then that gets us kind of in with

[1:18:16] them we get familiar with the dog we make sure they've got a RAB vaccine and

[1:18:21] if they're running around and we catch them we bring them home set sa in a

[1:18:24] little bit money and it sa the shelter space from having house for three or

[1:18:29] four days till trying to owner it's really just by word of mouth but it's we

[1:18:35] are telling them each microchip I bring home shelter does offer clins yeah two

[1:18:41] or three times a year microchip clinics for people can get them done for St if

[1:18:45] you adopt from the shelter they're microchipped right

[1:18:49] [Music]

[1:18:55] yes and I imagine with the once these were to start appearing that more people

[1:19:01] would have their dog microchip because nowaday think he's got to go to vet or

[1:19:06] he's got to go to the sh and Dr H we just spoke yesterday um he's even

[1:19:12] willing to let us um put one of these at his office out there on CL gr Church

[1:19:16] Road um he did say that he is getting ready to do a clinic um soon we've had

[1:19:22] recent um cargo outbreak in in the county in several houses um so he's

[1:19:28] getting ready to do it Clinic where he's going to try to suit like a microchip

[1:19:31] day with the Ries and car vaccine to try to get some of these people in there and

[1:19:36] do like a little small package where you know they're not make a whole lot of

[1:19:40] money but at least he's helping get the community vaccinated and then microchips

[1:19:45] and then obviously we're pushing it too when we pick those up or go for complain

[1:19:49] about their dog running around the neighborhood I'm starting to get some of

[1:19:52] the ones but sometimes I think on be like you again um but the ones that I

[1:19:57] don't know that have a microchip is definitely helpful for us and the

[1:20:00] shelter CU we don't have to CL them up does those record and tell you how many

[1:20:05] scans and that kind of thing no individual scan that's it

[1:20:11] yeah sounds like a good idea to me so that's great as far as I'm concerned uh

[1:20:16] was the sheriff's good with it Sheri's good with it yeah and his sheriff

[1:20:19] department and yeah seriously you will

[1:20:25] know you need to get that information out in the flyer so we can push it out

[1:20:29] seriously so people can can do that that's a great idea put it on your

[1:20:32] website that people know put on our website yeah that's tremendous tag in

[1:20:37] our website you thank you have a great day before they go um and I had already

[1:20:42] mentioned this to Paul and talked with about Adam it's small I know ardale

[1:20:46] County uses these and I called them and talked to them I don't think they've got

[1:20:49] anything I thought about you know I'm always thinking about the liability and

[1:20:52] things like that this located on our property obviously it's it's going to be

[1:20:54] on our property it's going to be our issue but you know is it worth having

[1:20:58] something in posterity like a small agreement that says you know if it

[1:21:02] breaks or it falls apart this organization is going to take care of it

[1:21:06] Etc we'll try our best to I guess is there way to Dem toy us as much as

[1:21:10] possible Cas like or something just something basic um so if the board's

[1:21:16] amenable to that I can get Adam to draft something up let you guys see it make

[1:21:19] sure it's okay with you we'll bring it forth on another another I think that

[1:21:22] needs to be done because we have other organization that may want to do

[1:21:25] something right and years from now something if it breaks and we're all not

[1:21:28] here and everybody goes how did they pay for this who's doing it nobody will

[1:21:32] remember the story and then we'll know at least what what happened will be

[1:21:37] responsible for installing it which diing the hole quit creating it making

[1:21:41] sure it's level keeping the batteries in it and all that stuff we'll be

[1:21:46] responsible for that Mr chairman to Casey's point when and I spoke with

[1:21:50] idell County as well they they didn't do any kind of an agreement and the reason

[1:21:54] why they didn't is cuz they actually purchased them so they put them at their

[1:21:58] sites uh in the county so the county owned them and and put them in there I

[1:22:02] think we just do a just a license agreement it's just just a license for

[1:22:06] them to place it there and then the license agreement would have everything

[1:22:10] have all the terms stated in it okay that's sounds good thank you all good

[1:22:15] job have a good day thank you thank you by T WIS have a good

[1:22:19] [Laughter] day all right uh Mr M EMS request to

[1:22:26] purchase new cardiac

[1:22:30] monitors how you want me to help you start this and off before you get you

[1:22:34] want me to help you before you get started that's that's up to you if you

[1:22:38] want to talk to i' had forgotten this until I brought it to my attention it's

[1:22:43] been six years now we bought uh cardiac monitors in bulk and they've gone up

[1:22:49] substantially in price well we're at the end of the six-year life cycle for the

[1:22:53] ones we have so all this kind of got brought up with the notion of what do

[1:22:58] the current monitors collect in terms of vital statistics for you know when

[1:23:01] they're out and um and 12 lead runs and all those kinds of things currently now

[1:23:06] they'll they'll store those in the cloud if I'm wrong correct me if I'm wrong 12

[1:23:10] leads will go to to the cloud um on Life Net and then at the end of the call the

[1:23:16] medic is required for lack of better word to push a button to push all the

[1:23:20] other data that goes to ESO now sometimes they lose their Wi-Fi

[1:23:25] connection so then they have to remember to come back and make sure it sends or

[1:23:30] they call kayin our uh QA Qi uh lady that does that stuff to make sure they

[1:23:35] get that data currently on the 15s the life pack 15s we have if that connection

[1:23:41] isn't made it has a total capacity of 360 minutes of memory so it doesn't have

[1:23:47] a whole lot whereas the new monitors the LIF pack 35s they have they will keep 50

[1:23:55] patient records in its memory and each record is up to 12 hours long so if

[1:24:00] there's a connection issue it'll hold it there

[1:24:03] also every time the new monitor is cut off it automatically sends all data to

[1:24:10] both wife net and to ESO um if the connection's lost they don't have to

[1:24:16] remember to go back and make sure they send it the next time it gets a

[1:24:21] connection and when they cut it off it'll automatically send that data

[1:24:25] without them having to remember to do that so it's got a lot of different

[1:24:28] capabilities as far as data um I do know that when I talked to my salesman Darren

[1:24:34] he said that Wake County was looking at the newer monitors because of the data

[1:24:39] collection and the data retention as well so but yes the the prices are

[1:24:45] considerably more these are up these are up for Renewal so the watch before you

[1:24:50] this morning is to ask you do you want to buy and bulk again rather than just

[1:24:53] keep trying to do them East Mill and I also had out and we had a conversation

[1:24:56] recently several of us about the uh the automated stretch power stretch where

[1:25:01] they can pick it up so I asked them to get the quote for that as well if we

[1:25:04] want to form those on every truck again we've been doing those kind of Peace

[1:25:07] mill on trucks here and there this would K it all and close it out so it's a big

[1:25:12] Bill but we were going to have to do the six-year Cycles up yeah anyways well

[1:25:19] as stretchers is going to help us on workman's comp

[1:25:22] in and Darren said he thought maybe we that Rockingham got a break on the

[1:25:28] warman's comp we did stuff when we when they put the powerload so we now have

[1:25:33] the automated stair chairs that will climb up and down and then we add the

[1:25:37] stretchers it's probably going to reduce our reoccurring workman's call workman's

[1:25:40] comp cost so is this $1.2 million is that what 1.5 if you throw in the

[1:25:45] stretchers I've got a little bit better of a break we got 1.2 but when we throw

[1:25:49] it into stretchers they actually reduced it to 1.1 on the monitor

[1:25:55] and if you include the stretchers the mounts the monitors and everything it's

[1:25:59] 1.5.37 the stretchers almost paid for themselves Mr chairman after the

[1:26:03] reduction in Insurance really MH that it will drastically reduce our workman's

[1:26:11] comp the stretch I you know used to when I years ago when I was in firing EMS and

[1:26:17] stuff you had guys that you know look like me out here you know picking up now

[1:26:23] you've got a smaller stat person a lot of lot of females and they

[1:26:26] just can't pick a 400 lb person up and put them in a when I started we picked

[1:26:31] them up and put them in the trucks yeah so and then they come out with the the

[1:26:36] power lifts where they actually lift up off the ground but you still had to hold

[1:26:41] the back of the stretcher and let the wheels come up and push it in so now

[1:26:45] there's the arms that comes out you just push the stretcher up to it and the arms

[1:26:49] hold it and you just push a button yeah and pick the legs up and then you just

[1:26:52] push it in with your hands I I I think I think personally seeing having seen them

[1:26:58] in in action and knowing what they do um I think it's a a huge asset to the

[1:27:04] county and it's going to saved us money all the way around money

[1:27:09] on it's going to save us money uh through our uh insurance and everything

[1:27:14] else so where do this money come from Casey

[1:27:18] that's you probably don't remember this but when we did the budget we put up

[1:27:22] some funds in contingency and I have to get with t I ain't staring at it right

[1:27:25] now remember it was it was the difference in what we thought we're

[1:27:29] always our debt service budget's always going down but we took what we think we

[1:27:33] going to have to do in a future renovation on the jail and started

[1:27:36] applying that different so we don't lose it does that make sense so you don't

[1:27:39] build a budget and then come up two or three years from now and go we we got to

[1:27:42] come up with all this money to build this that's in there you don't have this

[1:27:45] money budgeted no I I do I got it in contingency now that's one possible

[1:27:50] place I think I would look to take it from um just because you got in conting

[1:27:54] don't mean you got it built in your budget no it's in there it's already

[1:27:57] budgeted but I you know I don't want to have to use it this early in the game if

[1:28:00] I don't have to but this is so important and again I wouldn't be here before you

[1:28:04] if I wasn't already at the end of the six-year life cycle anyway so I'm I'm

[1:28:08] already at the end and I kind of like the automated 12 lead and vital stuff um

[1:28:13] a little bit more than pushing the button so while we're here anyway and

[1:28:16] replacing them might as well buy them a bulk get the discounts and then the

[1:28:19] stretchers came up cuz several of us were talking about this recently not

[1:28:23] long ago I I think a few few meetings ago and so instead of doing them peace

[1:28:28] Mill it's a good chance to go ahead and try to get some discount and do the

[1:28:32] discounts they've worked out is before December and then if we wait the next

[1:28:36] budget year you're looking at somewhere between 5 and 10% automatically a price

[1:28:41] increase on all of this so they're holding the prices to the next price

[1:28:45] increase which comes sometime at the latter part of the year and then then we

[1:28:50] don't if we if we budget them next year there'll be another price increase

[1:28:53] unfortunately out in the is there a reason and I'm

[1:28:57] sure you've looked at all of it but you look at zo is there I know Z are

[1:29:02] expensive but I also know they have some functions well we've already got you

[1:29:07] know we've got everything from Striker I mean we certainly could look at the

[1:29:10] other products if if if we need to I mean no I'm just asking D but we got

[1:29:15] maintenance contracts with Striker and everything so we've got maintenance

[1:29:19] contracts with our lucases they come from Striker our stretchers come from

[1:29:23] strier Striker and our monitor so it's it's all from one one service okay so

[1:29:29] what Casey you said a six-year lifespan where does that come from where does the

[1:29:33] six-year lifespan so they they said they're six to seven years is end the

[1:29:39] life on them we bought those in 2018 and so obviously you get new

[1:29:44] software you get new technology the the old life packs will only do 12 leads the

[1:29:49] new ones will actually do 15 leads the old ones would but you'd have to move

[1:29:52] the leads around so now you can look at even more angles of the heart on the 35

[1:29:56] you can look at 15 angles versus versus 12 so you can look some of the backside

[1:30:02] of the stuff and they've got some more benefits that that's more Diagnostics

[1:30:07] with them got an automatic reader on it too that yeah that's speak so the old

[1:30:12] ones don't have automatic reader as far as I don't know what you're saying about

[1:30:16] what do you mean by automatic commissioner sh Casey you and I were

[1:30:20] talking about the heart monitor on that at the ens you had manually Pro talking

[1:30:26] automatic dat data up automatically uploaded into the

[1:30:30] everything goes to two different places every time they don't have to worry

[1:30:34] about it they don't have to think about it if they lose connection when they

[1:30:37] come back and somebody cuts it on and off again it's going to send them if it

[1:30:40] loses connection and it has a whole lot more obviously a whole lot more memory

[1:30:46] in the monitor itself so that if it does lose that connection you can be assure

[1:30:50] that it's going to be there next time and how many years is that

[1:30:54] retained the clouds indefinitely for life that

[1:31:00] yeah I mean case if you got the money and you got it budgeted but sounds like

[1:31:04] that's a pretty good chunk of money to and it'll be but it'll if we get to the

[1:31:07] end of next year it'll be 15 20% more all right Fred's got a question you say

[1:31:13] it pays for itself how do we receive the money uh I think commissioner ell says

[1:31:19] paying for on the reduction in workman's comp on the stretchers yeah on the

[1:31:24] stretch yeah so it doesn't pay for it no no the monitors don't the stretchers

[1:31:29] will help us on the workman's comp renewal Pro whenever I hear that I

[1:31:33] always want to know where it comes from me and you both absolutely so so what's

[1:31:37] the lifespan on these stretchers and what's the lifespan on this equipment

[1:31:41] here uh the stretchers will they will probably last 8 to 10 years um and

[1:31:46] usually the lifespan of the truck um we usually rep replace the stretchers when

[1:31:51] we we buy new trucks but this will update all of them and some of these we

[1:31:56] can hold and put them in newer trucks and and push the lifespan out on them so

[1:32:01] that we don't have to replace them every time we buy a

[1:32:04] truck I'm you can roll them over can't you like a truck that's uh in a high

[1:32:10] call volume area using the same stretcher taking one that's in the less

[1:32:14] volume replace it in that truck to extend the life on it is that correct

[1:32:19] these are like power stretchers I mean they got yeah so they they've got a

[1:32:23] button that you push that'll lift them up and then they have the power load

[1:32:27] system so basically you push it up to the back of the the amulance and it has

[1:32:31] arms that holds it you push the button it picks the wheels up and then you just

[1:32:35] manually push it in slide it right in the truck whereas some of them now they

[1:32:39] have to pick the back end of the stretcher up and lift the wheels up and

[1:32:43] and you know burden all that weight on the back side of

[1:32:47] it just takes a lot of the work when you're talking about these monitors now

[1:32:51] I heard you say Well it go like 12 leads um is that right you got 12 different

[1:32:56] leads yeah so yeah what you get at the doctor's office or hospital when they're

[1:33:00] looking for a heart attack is they look at what they call a 12 lead it just all

[1:33:04] the different sides of the hearts um however you can look at more some of it

[1:33:09] on the back like a 15 lead they can do it with the monitors they got now but

[1:33:13] they got to pull the leads off and put them on the back and then run another

[1:33:17] one whereas this one you can put them all on there and get all that

[1:33:20] diagnostics at one time and you can monitor that continuously as well so

[1:33:24] that if you see someone actively having a heart attack you can see the changes

[1:33:29] in the EKG as you're transporting them to the C

[1:33:33] flap okay what's the board's U well we continue driving those oh 64

[1:33:41] forwards or we can keep moving along with the new

[1:33:44] technology and I think we're already having as questions for some of the old

[1:33:49] equipment that we've had that didn't do what this new equipment does so I think

[1:33:53] we we need to move forward with it all right Mr chairman my only question is

[1:33:58] what we do with the old equipment some they're being traded in mon get trade in

[1:34:02] value on those we'll keep a few of those that we can use for special events and

[1:34:07] stuff like that that you know that they get beat up a little bit it' be okay um

[1:34:11] but we we'll keep a few of them but we're going to trade them in and we're

[1:34:14] going to trade in some of the older stretcher equipment too that's worked

[1:34:17] into it good question he see it seems like this is uh definitely something

[1:34:22] that you don't need to pinpoint in budget because uh this is a pretty

[1:34:26] expensive yeah I had forgotten about we' done this six years ago in the bulk like

[1:34:30] this um so six seven eight years from now we'll roll it into the capital plans

[1:34:35] and have it on a rotation yeah this year like I said I got the con Tim just

[1:34:40] reminded me I've got about $2 million left in contingency so this is going to

[1:34:43] take all over a 500,000 I I don't never budget any more than 75 grand worth of

[1:34:48] contingency anyway in any given Year we're good I think and then stuff comes

[1:34:52] along in the year we've got to ability maneuver that's that's one of the

[1:34:55] reasons why we build that budget like that this stuff kind of comes up

[1:35:00] um this one here I wish I kind of known a little bit more about it I start

[1:35:04] planning for it several years ago I mean this is a big one I mean if I was going

[1:35:07] to spend a million and a half bucks every 10 years i' probably want to know

[1:35:11] budgeted to that especially with like EMS I don't that's a that's um

[1:35:18] Enterprise it's not an Enterprise but we don't we lose money on that already so

[1:35:22] it's not like it's paying for itself we not I wish we were you know I mean we

[1:35:28] can't go up on the rates anymore people can't hardly afford to pay for an

[1:35:32] ambulance ride now so yeah yeah what do our collection do we know what our

[1:35:37] collection rate is uh what number do you usually set every year the last one I

[1:35:42] saw was 82 I mean probably it's probably down now given you know the Staffing

[1:35:48] that had moved around you know you guys approved some additional Staffing so

[1:35:51] they're staying about 3 months behind it probably pulled them month out it was

[1:35:54] four when you guys approved it two months ago yeah they've made up a good

[1:35:59] probably picked up cuz they've actually hired some folks over there now we were

[1:36:02] at 87 at one point and then we went down to 82 we've gone down some we're

[1:36:07] probably in the 70s right now I'd say and um but as soon as he's now that you

[1:36:12] got full staff you'll start picking back up we I can tell you this we closed the

[1:36:16] books last year and I just looked at the prelim numbers we made more money than

[1:36:19] we did the year before so that's not and that's not even with full sta you can

[1:36:24] imagine if we had five people over there cooking on it all the time well I was

[1:36:28] actually talking more about the actual collection what we're collecting not

[1:36:31] what we're talking about the money figure I think he usually said it what

[1:36:34] 5.1 million or 5.2 no not that I'm talking about you know we have trouble

[1:36:38] collecting from medic Medicaid and or or some of that and at one time our

[1:36:44] collection rate was is this hard for us getting our money so I didn't know if

[1:36:49] that was improved that's that 70s what I'm talking about I mean we're probably

[1:36:54] aggregating around that number now cuz it fell because we had two people over

[1:36:57] there you know we lost people you guys approved some temp Staffing remember and

[1:37:01] then we did we actually found I go ahead I mean one of them is Alton's uh new

[1:37:07] daughter-in-law I mean and she's stepdaughter you know stepdaughter sorry

[1:37:09] you got you got folks over there now that actually cooking so now the

[1:37:13] collection rate's going to start to pick back up substantially um it's Stu picked

[1:37:18] up you just got better you just got more people and they they got good skill

[1:37:21] level the folks they've got over there now so I feel feel good about the future

[1:37:24] of that now we'll get back up in several months yeah go ahead

[1:37:29] for whenever they send the U ambulance bills if it's uh private pay they send

[1:37:37] to they send a bill to the individual rather than to the insurance company so

[1:37:42] the individual winds up paying part of it and then it's tough to get his money

[1:37:47] back on the other case as far as VA is concerned they will not build VA you

[1:37:53] have to do that yourself I didn't know whether there was a way that they could

[1:37:58] uh set the billing system up to where they would be able to to build the

[1:38:02] insurance company and to build VA that is that has been changed you guys

[1:38:07] approved to go directly to brw cross now so we wrote that private paycheck going

[1:38:11] to the person and having their discretion to give us our money piece

[1:38:14] out of the equation and that's one of the things that's going to pick up the

[1:38:18] total collection and they've got the software now they can actually search

[1:38:22] based on if they've got inform with everything they get they can search if

[1:38:26] they got they and they yeah so that's helped a lot with with collection but

[1:38:31] remember as part of signing that deal with Blue Cross you were on a time limit

[1:38:35] a little tighter time in other words you couldn't get behind and we F I think it

[1:38:38] was six-month limit that you couldn't build for in other words if they gave

[1:38:41] you access to those records you can't be searching for it for a year they cut it

[1:38:45] to like six months that's why we came before you guys and said we're at four

[1:38:48] now we're creeping into dangerous territory where we're going to lose

[1:38:51] money if we don't get going you the staff we're cutting it back down once we

[1:38:56] get back to level it's all gravy from there you're just billing on the regular

[1:39:01] site okay do we need to put this on the agenda for on the consent agenda for the

[1:39:06] 12th okay and and Debbie I'll get you the up

[1:39:11] updated quotes to put into the agenda okay well Burl I think I'm sorry Alton

[1:39:17] you you you look so much like Burl eyeses now

[1:39:23] I can't sing like him though I can promise you

[1:39:29] that all right um 7D Fire Marshal request to establish a countywide fire

[1:39:36] reporting database good morning Commissioners I

[1:39:40] want to introduce um Kevin Hooser Arcadia Fire Chief and Brandon Hutchins

[1:39:44] West lexon fire chief really quick want to thank them for coming they're going

[1:39:47] to do a little show and tail for you here in just a minute so all right but

[1:39:52] our office is currently using what we call epr system fireworks um so

[1:39:56] basically what we're asking for this morning is $929 to be move from rpb

[1:40:02] funds to build the system um it will take epr around three

[1:40:07] months to build it so what are what are the benefits of

[1:40:13] having a countywide system the system will allow our office and all the

[1:40:18] Departments to share incident inspections and prisent plan information

[1:40:22] which is very important when it comes to you know emergencies So the prent plan

[1:40:27] allows us to share information such as owner

[1:40:31] information um contact information construction type and any life safety

[1:40:36] issues that the property has which is important to these guys when they're

[1:40:39] responding to fires you know so really quick Brandon is going to pull up and

[1:40:45] just walk you through what the system looks

[1:40:48] like which is really what you want to see you you want to see what we're well

[1:40:53] we're sharing in the cat bird seat now didn't realize

[1:41:04] that waiting on the internet it is internet based so you do

[1:41:09] have to you do have to have good internet so where does this stay at

[1:41:13] where does this system stay at every fire department each fire department

[1:41:17] will have their own but our s their system will also link with ours okay so

[1:41:22] whenever we go in there and change it information it changes on theirs when

[1:41:24] they go in there and change information it changes on ours so everybody has the

[1:41:28] most upto-date current information that is put into that system will you have an

[1:41:33] acknowledgement that another entity has changed some in the system will you know

[1:41:37] that yeah okay so if Thomas will goes to a fire

[1:41:43] and handles a fire that report will be in there and Thomas just County Fire

[1:41:50] yeah okay um so uh West Lexington goes in and does a

[1:41:55] fire and Walberg goes goes and does a fire near the area or whatever they can

[1:42:02] go and look and see and all those reports are in there and together that's

[1:42:07] that's good yeah yeah our this first started um our our office had a software

[1:42:14] called streamline and we wasn't really happy with it at all so we started

[1:42:17] looking at um different softwares that would allow us to do different things

[1:42:22] and we went with this one we we found out that Midway was already on it um

[1:42:27] Arcadia was on it West was on it so we decided to go

[1:42:31] um and it just seemed to work out we got started moving talking ideas and and we

[1:42:38] felt it was a really good idea to combine all this and make one system so

[1:42:43] everybody's on the same page so is there a cost to each fire department as well

[1:42:47] yes yes how much does it cost the fire department it depends on what they

[1:42:51] decide they want to use um it's up to them I do actually have a spreadsheet

[1:42:55] and I can give you a little idea um okay usar systems likein probably tell you

[1:43:01] what his cost how many people us um for Arcadia we're right at six grand a year

[1:43:08] um when I took over as fire chief we were using a different program just for

[1:43:13] Staffing because we we're we try to keep three a day

[1:43:17] we're fixing to go to four a day just because of the growth and increase in

[1:43:20] call Value M um the calendar program we was using when they sent to Renewal it

[1:43:26] was almost four grand um I was like this is crazy and then I found out about

[1:43:33] epr uh fory County Davy County Gilford county they all use it

[1:43:39] exclusively uh there's different modules so you got your fire reports there's a

[1:43:44] training module there's a VI business intelligence model uh and a staffing

[1:43:50] module and the system that we were currently using what it was costing us

[1:43:55] when I took the cost of that plus the cost of my Staffing program and put it

[1:43:58] together it was only literally less than $1,000 difference but the reporting side

[1:44:04] of this and I'll get into that in a minute uh made it worth it for me now

[1:44:10] what Brandon's pulled up here Brandon if you want to talk about we call this a

[1:44:13] pre-entry survey so by us being able to link our accounts together so this is in

[1:44:20] West Lexing and Fire District if arcad responding to this

[1:44:25] District I've never seen this building but I can hit the response mode

[1:44:29] mton which is where Brandon sitting right now and I can see and I'll let

[1:44:34] Brandon explain all those little icons you see there right so um as he

[1:44:39] mentioned this is a test call that we had Communications you gave me a heart

[1:44:43] attack that's our senior services B I did that intentional using your

[1:44:49] building because I didn't want to show information since it's technically a

[1:44:52] public meeting um that could be somebody else's that's right um in this section

[1:44:58] this like he was saying this is what we would see when we're responding to the

[1:45:01] call not every department has access to the cad system uh due to some

[1:45:07] regulations that you have to go through working with the county and extra fees

[1:45:10] and some people don't want to do that but they all have to do fire reports so

[1:45:14] if we utilize this system um you get access to the same information that you

[1:45:19] get from CAD but it's it's based on what we put into it so in this one like I

[1:45:25] said this is you guys a building um you can see on the map that's pulled up all

[1:45:29] the icons on the building that show us where the alarm panel is uh Gas shut

[1:45:34] offs electric shut offs I love it towards the top of the screen and and

[1:45:38] like I say this is all based on what we put into it uh and what some of this

[1:45:43] information will come from GIS which is another neat feature that's tied into

[1:45:47] this software but like hydr locations at the top of the screen right where water

[1:45:52] shut off there's also fire hydrants there and currently you're looking at a

[1:45:56] Google map so we have all the features of a Google map if you want street view

[1:45:59] you slide the little man to the street and for Kevin who's never seen this

[1:46:03] building now he's looking at what he's pulling up to um we also can ED

[1:46:09] additional pictures if there's something very specific that we want to share with

[1:46:13] everybody maybe the location of a ox box or whatever fature it may be those can

[1:46:19] be there the icons across the top are going to allow us access different

[1:46:24] information um one of those is a simple measuring tool if we wanted to measure

[1:46:28] distance from hydrants um distance to other structures that we're concerned

[1:46:33] about being involved the circular icon is the same

[1:46:38] thing we can shade in areas if we want to if this was a very large incident and

[1:46:42] maybe we're creating staging areas or areas of uh you know safe zones for

[1:46:47] people to stage in uh following that you'll see an icon for WS so maybe uh

[1:46:52] you're responding to this area from Denton I don't know State Building and

[1:46:58] we need help and you have no idea where it's at you can utilize waves um or the

[1:47:03] following button which is the Google Maps button and it'll direct you to the

[1:47:07] scene so turn BYT turn directions the ezri button next to that is uh showing

[1:47:13] you a ezri layer um it's just a different map to be honest with you as

[1:47:17] far as the background it's not really anything significant the following icons

[1:47:21] though is where we start pulling data um from the cad system so if I click

[1:47:26] this one here and like I said this is a test call but even if you don't have

[1:47:30] direct access to CAD you can pull up who called it in if maybe it's an accident

[1:47:35] we're looking for we need a call back number and also any CAD notes so uh a

[1:47:40] lot of times in the cad notes we'll have specific information maybe a key code to

[1:47:44] get into a door um information about trap victims

[1:47:49] possible locations of victims how many people are there things of that nature

[1:47:53] so all that's accessible um following that you can start looking at times this

[1:47:58] really isn't important when you're on the way to a call but it may be more

[1:48:01] important to the fire chief or who's in command if they're looking at what time

[1:48:05] we actually get this a call um how long it took to dispatch it people in route

[1:48:11] Etc obviously those aren't complete cuz I didn't check in

[1:48:15] [Music] around um Chief while you're talking

[1:48:19] about this is this something that's on on the MDT and the trucks you guys can

[1:48:24] be looking at on your way there and so forth or is it only in the command

[1:48:28] Vehicles it is based on every Department going back to the cad access thing I was

[1:48:33] talking about at West Lexington every truck has a tablet and this is on every

[1:48:37] one of them which we have cat as well but um our CAD is in the same position

[1:48:42] they have computers and and have the same access unfortunately every

[1:48:46] Department doesn't have that but if you're riding by yourself it's it's hard

[1:48:50] to use it anyway sure unless your department the staff multiple people

[1:48:54] it's probably not quite as big a benefit so let me ask you this I mean you got

[1:48:59] buying from uh most of the fire departments volunteer fire departments

[1:49:03] and all is that so so when this started um we had four or five departments that

[1:49:08] was own it um already uh and we went to a Chief's meeting had the discussion

[1:49:14] showed them what we were doing not didn't didn't force anybody to do

[1:49:18] anything you know just look this is what we're doing we see it as a huge huge

[1:49:23] benefit um and since then we currently went from four to five to now

[1:49:28] we're at 12 or 13 departments that are already making the move okay so um but

[1:49:36] so it we've seen a really huge benefit but some departments are still currently

[1:49:40] tied down to um the the software that they're own because they have a contract

[1:49:46] and some departments just can't you know they can't pay for so but does most of

[1:49:48] them want to go to this product is that it seems it's moving that way but again

[1:49:52] we're not we don't want to force anybody to do anything they don't want to do so

[1:49:56] we went to the chief's meeting had the conversation and everybody was you know

[1:50:01] on board seems seem to be but it's it's a time thing you know but we we want to

[1:50:07] get get the process started and all it's going to cost us is $9,200 so uh as far

[1:50:12] as I'm concerned if the rest of the board is you're using it out of your PBB

[1:50:17] and so I'm okay with it with that yes sir okay good enough good job y'all

[1:50:23] thank you thank you gentlemen Tuesday night yeah thank you for giving me a

[1:50:26] heart attack you're welcome okay Casey here's

[1:50:30] the here's the big one um 7e update on HR onboarding and payroll system I want

[1:50:37] to thank the two chiefs they this this started with uh the idea that we would

[1:50:42] buy we're getting a bulk discount we buy it for everybody and then pay it back

[1:50:47] charge it back to them that was going to be a nightmare now the company can still

[1:50:50] give us the bulk discount but send their bills directly to them that makes sense

[1:50:53] so you're 9,000 just building that database to get ready much more music to

[1:50:57] my ears than me getting involved yeah we don't want to get into that some wanting

[1:51:02] it some not and some having preference all right let me Tony I'm going to start

[1:51:07] this off no please put my mouth you can jump

[1:51:16] in case if you don't mind I guess start off and I know you probably like doing

[1:51:21] it a different way start off that you got two different systems I guess right

[1:51:25] and the cost of each system yes sir and and kind of tell us the cost of each

[1:51:29] system and then we'll go back to the to the spreading through your paper

[1:51:34] here but I know you told me some cost and flip it if you want the cost flip

[1:51:40] over to page two and let me just walk you through all the there's a lot of

[1:51:43] numbers but I'm going get you oriented to it really quick page two the one

[1:51:46] that's upside down one all these numbers on it

[1:51:49] [Applause]

[1:51:53] tear them apart works better uh total down here at the bottom

[1:51:58] is that where you're at 1.2 you've got look up at the top first this is what we

[1:52:03] do currently so you're looking at one two three four five six seven eight

[1:52:08] different nine different systems that we use here and why we're here before you

[1:52:11] basically is because we got nine different let me back up 10 years ago

[1:52:15] when I got here we did a lot of onboarding p on paper and we Advanced

[1:52:19] several few years ago to um what was it Civic plus was the name of it you know

[1:52:23] which was a which was a Quantum Leap as far as you know you guys have heard the

[1:52:27] term Erp which is you put data in one place and it goes filters to all the

[1:52:31] other system places you need that's the way of the future so that's what's

[1:52:35] before you but let's I'm just want you to see how big of a leap you've made in

[1:52:38] just 10 years I've only been here 10 years and we went some of these

[1:52:41] processes were on paper so you've got these different systems up here that you

[1:52:44] spend as you can see with your eyes let's just call it $75,000 75 $80,000 we

[1:52:50] did look at actually three systems the there was a the cheapest one which

[1:52:54] you're going to see in a second the most expensive one I'll explain why the cost

[1:52:57] can you go and give us the cost that's what I want first okay well so the the

[1:53:01] most expensive one if you're spending $70,000 a year the most expensive one's

[1:53:06] got the implementation cost a 5year total you can see where they initially

[1:53:10] offered $3 million as of a second negotiation with staff were down to 2.3

[1:53:15] see I don't see that that's what I want to see on the second last flip over on

[1:53:20] the back side of page one it right here

[1:53:25] 2.3 and then the other still don't see it see on the third

[1:53:31] page mine don't show 2.3 I don't either I don't see it it's top and bottom like

[1:53:38] this right here 2.3 so one of them is 2.3 right Casey I want you to see it so

[1:53:44] if you don't have I see it I see it right here I see the

[1:53:47] 2.3 so how much is the other one the other one's 1.2 and then we'll we'll get

[1:53:52] into the specifics and all right so we're looking at about

[1:53:57] a million dollars more for one million dollar difference and here's the spread

[1:54:00] of that million dollars it's in two pieces we go you got one system the the

[1:54:05] the the system that probably HR would like to have is obviously this most

[1:54:09] expensive with the work day and I'm going I want you to see some reference

[1:54:11] list in just a second as well million dollar difference about half of that is

[1:54:15] due to the this system going online in 10 months the other one would go online

[1:54:19] in 36 months so obviously if you're going to get the benefit of using a

[1:54:22] system a over system B two years ahead of time it's going to cost more correct

[1:54:27] cuz it's subscription based the other five is this

[1:54:30] implementation and that's prob that's going to be due to what I feel be um

[1:54:35] let's just call it handholding a little bit more to get the system implemented

[1:54:39] you're going to have a little bit more boots on the ground presence with

[1:54:41] workday than the other system now that's not necessarily A Bad

[1:54:46] Thing I've put in systems where I was essentially on my own in other words the

[1:54:49] vendor got with me and shared with me some information and I was kind of in

[1:54:53] charge of implementing it I'm not sure we want to implement 10 pieces to an HR

[1:54:58] System and a payroll piece mind you without a little bit more help I did see

[1:55:02] in one of the reference uh dialogues that the other company uh they actually

[1:55:06] wish they they kind of quoted we wish we would have went back and kind of worked

[1:55:10] through a project manager to have because we you know it was a little

[1:55:13] tougher to implement than we thought it was going to be so that is the

[1:55:15] difference in the cost subscription wise once you get past that implementation

[1:55:20] you can see with your eyes both systems start off at about $300,000 a year

[1:55:24] that's the subscription piece you're paying 70 so the Delta is about 200 let

[1:55:30] just say $25,000 it obviously grows annually what you might the benefit of

[1:55:35] that is what we're trying to Fig I guess the question on the floor is those Pro

[1:55:40] with those will we pick up that difference in productivity not only with

[1:55:43] h our staff that they've estimated around 1500 man hours a year that they

[1:55:47] spend keying same data in multiple places but our in users and I'll give

[1:55:52] you an example Trish just run a job fair two weeks ago where a person had to put

[1:55:57] their application information in they wanted to apply for two different jobs

[1:56:00] they had to fill it out twice that's a Time waster for that

[1:56:05] person and for us the system here goes in one time that can apply use the same

[1:56:09] data for multiple jobs and then if we want to onboard them we want to hire

[1:56:13] them we can extrapolate and use some of that data for the onboarding process and

[1:56:16] stop having to key in again for a third time so this is a timesaver and a

[1:56:21] benefit as far as the end user on the other side of the portal looking at it

[1:56:25] and going wow you know I got this I got to fill this out twice I mean some

[1:56:29] people kind of get turned off by those things so I'd like to I'd like to just

[1:56:32] say one thing according to what you're saying one one thing that is beneficial

[1:56:37] to HR and whichever system we decide to pick is you look at the growth that our

[1:56:43] County departments has had and you look at that growth even to the 90s until

[1:56:48] today and the HR department still staffed the same way covering way more

[1:56:53] employees covering way more people coming in with the same amount of people

[1:56:58] doing the job so they're doing 10 times more than what they did in 1990 what

[1:57:03] they're doing in 2024 today so they need a system that can help them and and it's

[1:57:09] still not going to be enough they probably still need more Staffing an HR

[1:57:12] but um that that's one of the reasons their workload has exponentious grown

[1:57:18] now if you can I just want to show you this because I mean this I know it look

[1:57:22] pretty but this is hopefully on one piece of paper you're probably thinking

[1:57:25] what in the world does HR do what is it that they do you hear HR I

[1:57:30] mean you so look to the left here's all the job functions that we're talking

[1:57:34] about in those I'm just going to round up and say 10 different

[1:57:38] systems with the right hand side being the same job functions but now combined

[1:57:43] into the two now with workday you know you have the skill survey that uh I mean

[1:57:47] the skill safety thing where we do the fire training and that kind of stuff

[1:57:50] that program maybe cuz it was a module built into their system where we could

[1:57:54] you know we can put training stuff in there but we got to build it we might as

[1:57:57] well just stay with the safety skills and I cut that cost out of that's how

[1:58:00] you got down $700,000 I just went in and started trimming stuff out that we

[1:58:03] probably don't need let me ask you a question when's the last time we done

[1:58:07] some software update and I mean has this stuff just been added periodically as we

[1:58:12] it has periodically over time yeah periodically over time but the the Civic

[1:58:17] plus was probably the last one um and that I can't remember when that was well

[1:58:21] we just we just went from Civic HR which is Civic plus two criteria but when we

[1:58:26] put it in originally uh in 19 19 2019 Civic HR and Mr Elliot's got

[1:58:34] a point in the sense of um Mr chairman we like AA you know when I got here that

[1:58:41] that stuff wasn't as wasn't as monstrosity as it is now you know so

[1:58:44] staff over here spends a lot of time going through doing the reporting and

[1:58:48] the things like that it takes to get all the employees your information this

[1:58:51] stuff handles that it handles the payroll taxes so Finance has to spend

[1:58:56] time this got a time keeping component in for example we already got a Time

[1:58:59] system but this one here is bit I guess because it's newer and you know got a

[1:59:02] newer technology but they won't be counting hours down there manually every

[1:59:06] two weeks which they have to do now to kind of make sure the time sheets are

[1:59:09] right then be able to file stuff quarterly with the federal government on

[1:59:12] payroll taxes it all does it in one system now the one thing that's that the

[1:59:17] work day also offers a couple benefits to them I let me give you the pros and

[1:59:21] cons of what I saw I set through the demo and then you can ask these folks um

[1:59:25] of both systems the work day I like the reports the dashboard reports are

[1:59:30] excellent they have an ability for and we always talk about this here in this

[1:59:33] room what's your turnover what's your time to fill jobs around here sometimes

[1:59:38] these department heads don't know that answer they have to come up to these

[1:59:41] folks and get them to compile reports out of two or three places to know that

[1:59:45] by the time it's compiled it's old this stuff's on the screen so and I can

[1:59:50] deonate that based on the security information to anybody in the

[1:59:53] organization including y'all so you could even see it if you

[1:59:57] want to by the part Casey's the best manager in I'm just going to make up a

[2:00:01] department Trish uh in DSS at hiring people he can do it in I'm just making

[2:00:07] up a number 30 days uh Tony's the worst he can he can't do it but faster than 60

[2:00:12] days what is the problem with Tony why can he not do this faster you can't ask

[2:00:17] those questions if you don't have the data so there's more time to feel as

[2:00:22] money you know it's just more there's part of that 200,000 we talked about

[2:00:25] Delta difference once we get going we're starting to eat into that number now

[2:00:29] because we we got the ability then to see who's the problem and how to speed

[2:00:33] things up or there there could be a bottleneck in the process we don't know

[2:00:36] anything about I'll give you another one Trish I'm not trying to pick on you but

[2:00:39] you know we're having a good time up here um I've got a person downstairs

[2:00:43] that goes through every job application based on our system now can ask you

[2:00:48] leading questions commissioner Elliot applies for a job and it can say are you

[2:00:51] this this and this and it can basically say you know you're not qualified for

[2:00:55] the job the problem with our existing software is it won't automatically take

[2:00:58] you out of the stack you can answer the questions but you still show up in the

[2:01:01] stack so I've got a person downstairs have to go through that stack because

[2:01:05] they got State Standards to meet to hire for the job that takes time for that

[2:01:09] person these systems will take you out automatically so now Mr Elliott applies

[2:01:12] for the job he answers the questions he doesn't meet the job out but you have to

[2:01:17] tailor make these right but we would do that part of the implementation right

[2:01:21] get it right and then that way that person downstairs is having to do that

[2:01:24] just freed up a part of their lives they got to go through every time somebody

[2:01:28] applies for these jobs and it could be stacked and you can make it just for

[2:01:31] that department is that what you're saying by position you could Yeah by

[2:01:34] position position so we could say do you have a bachelor's degree in social work

[2:01:38] yes no if they say no takes them to another or do you have three years of

[2:01:43] experience in purchasing no they k k so that's going to take a little bit of

[2:01:48] time to implement that for all the different jobs

[2:01:53] pH cost that's one of the reasons the $500,000 right that's one of the reason

[2:01:57] why I'd like a little help because it's going to get complex or we can make it

[2:02:01] complex that makes sense we can implement it with the basics and but I

[2:02:04] know us we're going to before you put in the better results you get out we bought

[2:02:08] systems before and didn't do the proper stuff in the front end right and it's

[2:02:13] kicked us in a tail in the back end man I just text Tim this morning you guys

[2:02:17] have heard me say this and you're probably thinking when I said it what

[2:02:19] are you talking about in 25 years in govern I have never worked in a place

[2:02:23] where we had HR reports by position match the position count of the budget I

[2:02:28] have not worked somewhere until now thanks to the staff over here and Tim it

[2:02:33] matches now that what you know what that means good clean data will go into this

[2:02:38] new system not junk so you'll have good clean stuff

[2:02:43] that's good for reporting you get good dashboards you people to be able can see

[2:02:46] what they're doing the other system has dashboards too I just like the work they

[2:02:49] ones cuz they were they were nice they were actually I'm just make the word

[2:02:52] they were beautiful they looked user friendly they show up they they look

[2:02:56] like I I need visuals I want to see a graph I want to see some numbers um so I

[2:03:00] like that we found out yesterday and I'm kind of throwing this in as I go Tony

[2:03:04] they'll do the oan logs so all the paperwork that goes to the ocean logs

[2:03:09] get put in the system it will generate the report we send to the federal

[2:03:11] government so we got do that manually now we create the accident reports and

[2:03:16] things like that right now all that's done manually and by paper and then my

[2:03:20] staff has to take that put it onto the ocean log then submit it to the federal

[2:03:24] government the system workday will you you'll fill those accident

[2:03:30] reports or incident reports out on in the system the system then digests the

[2:03:36] information moves it over done to the oosha log and then it prints out put it

[2:03:40] on the portal or you still got to send it to we submit it to the federal

[2:03:43] government you finance is going to get a little bit of a benefit from these

[2:03:47] payroll taxes and these hours so even they've started to bleed into this 1500

[2:03:51] hours that I didn't calculate them getting some help out of this just

[2:03:54] beneficially one more quick so one quick thing about neoo that's a benefit they

[2:03:58] have a thing built into their software and we can buy this separately cuz we

[2:04:02] have done it an one time uh thing called government jobs.com it's kind of like

[2:04:06] their version of um what's the indeed or um zip recruiter or whatever so it just

[2:04:12] does government jobs that comes standard with the package if we want that I think

[2:04:16] it's about three grand we'll figure out a way to make that happen and we we

[2:04:19] could incorporate that I wasn't scared of that cuz it's not that it's not a

[2:04:22] deal breaker if that makes sense last thing I want you to see flip over to

[2:04:26] this the back page just flip it all the way to the end but Casey if we can get

[2:04:30] to the numbers right quick and then then we'll get back to that if you don't mind

[2:04:33] so I just got to understand in my head as I'm listening to all this so the 420

[2:04:37] now is what we pay a year right that's everything added up kind of what we pay

[2:04:42] a year now no we're paying about 75 80 grand a year for all of our systems

[2:04:47] added together I got you a total of uh right

[2:04:52] at the top until 2029 right Tim's Tim's extrapolated that

[2:04:57] out and used an inflator because these things move another benefit of the work

[2:05:01] day is they've agreed to lock these these inflators in for 10 years all we

[2:05:07] don't have to do a 10year deal but that was another benefit for them as part of

[2:05:10] negotiating with them in other words they've got a process in their contract

[2:05:13] where they have a percent like a think 2% move every year and then they add CPI

[2:05:18] to that you could be talking about 8 n% if we can do if we want to do a 10-year

[2:05:23] deal that's up to us we can erase the CPI piece there are no other upgrades

[2:05:29] built into these dollars in other words we won't get the year five and they go

[2:05:32] oops you got to spend another 300 Grand you got to go to version blah blah blah

[2:05:35] it comes in the numbers so if you go down to work day Mr

[2:05:39] chairman you can see I I've just showed you the initial offer because I wanted

[2:05:43] you to see where they started with their best and final proposal $3 million you

[2:05:48] can see the the row there to put it in the implementation cost 10 months staff

[2:05:53] training and that learning module I spoke of where you have content on there

[2:05:56] for like safety skills and things like that but you got to add the content I

[2:06:01] don't necessarily want to spend 40 grand for a shell thing that I got to add

[2:06:04] content right now so you can see in my version of second negotiation I cut that

[2:06:09] out so the biggest deal what I see right here you going to spend a million

[2:06:12] dollars up front 1.1 million where in the other one you're only spending

[2:06:17] 27,000 in 2025 me I usually look at money first

[2:06:22] and then we get down to specifics of basically right cuz I'm not going to get

[2:06:26] nothing implemented on on the second one for 36 months so it's really if you can

[2:06:31] see with your eyes actually the Neo gets to be more expensive as time goes on

[2:06:35] subscription wise see with your eyes it's 330,000 estimate in 2029 me uh work

[2:06:41] day in 2029 324 so so once we get past implementing

[2:06:45] and and so your first reaction you see the cost is 3 million versus one two wow

[2:06:49] just go with one two but it's because you're putting the one system in in less

[2:06:52] than a year and the other one in three years you know I'm looking at the

[2:06:56] ongoing cost each year you know I always like to buy the best if I can or what's

[2:07:01] going to work the best um but again it comes down to cost too so if you look on

[2:07:07] the back so really you're looking at a million dollars up front once you get

[2:07:10] past that then cost is as good or better with the option that that HR would like

[2:07:18] to have in you correct say that one more time it get gets cheaper after the

[2:07:23] initial cost it gets cheaper for the one staff would like to have correct

[2:07:29] two yeah 324 to 369 in 2029 if you look on the back you see

[2:07:36] who's using yeah I don't really care who's using and all that that's that's

[2:07:41] not really my thing it's it's it's the staff if if it's the best we bought some

[2:07:46] other software that other counties used that it's worked terrible for us you

[2:07:50] know so yeah um so again but option number two is

[2:07:55] what everybody wants correct so option one workday is the one everybody

[2:08:01] was yeah I guess that's okay y my ask

[2:08:09] question Tony have you uh have you brought the department heads in I know

[2:08:15] we've done a demo but have to to look at this to see if it's actually you know

[2:08:20] cuz if they also start looking at it and I know they probably have a small piece

[2:08:24] of this but yeah even when they do if they start looking at things and it's

[2:08:29] hard for them or they don't understand it we didn't bring all the department

[2:08:33] heads in we brought in it and finance cuz those are the ones that are directly

[2:08:37] impact they don't really work with the software yeah a lot of this will be back

[2:08:40] in that's going to benefit their lives and finance the enduser like an

[2:08:45] applicant I mean these things are slick built for people that you know like you

[2:08:49] roll up online and like our system is now you know it looks okay it's the

[2:08:53] backend piece that's that's kind of not as clunky that makes sense and other

[2:08:58] departments like sheriff's office or EMS they don't deal with the backend this

[2:09:02] yeah and they'll have access as they do now to Criterion to help us make sure we

[2:09:08] know what jobs they want posted in the application process and things like that

[2:09:13] that'll all be infinitely better than so we're still going to have multiple

[2:09:18] programs no no just one system but the cool thing really about workday is

[2:09:24] everybody will have a dashboard right so you'll log in and based on

[2:09:31] security criteria you'll have your dashboard and it'll have all of the

[2:09:36] stuff that you have access to so if you are a hiring manager you'll have access

[2:09:41] to the jobs that report to you you can go in you can start looking at how when

[2:09:47] an applicant applied when they interviewed when the job was offered how

[2:09:51] long it took for them to go through that process um all of that is Extreme is

[2:09:57] very well not used too overly words but descriptive but it is very intuitive

[2:10:03] very easy to use um there will be some training that we will need to do uh with

[2:10:09] managers and supervisors as well as employees part of that training will be

[2:10:13] people putting in things like not bringing their changes to that they need

[2:10:17] for HR to these folks to put in manually they'll be able to put them in their s

[2:10:21] changes and things like that you they got to come up here tell them they go

[2:10:25] put them in that stops they just go in and do it so that part's going to be

[2:10:28] trainable yeah all employees will be able to go into their dashboard see what

[2:10:33] they can access and do and so if they want to change an exemption for taxes or

[2:10:38] emergency contact or address all that is done right there on their dashboard um

[2:10:43] and there's a mobile app as well so they can do it uh on their phone or or iPad

[2:10:49] and then it is based on the process that we create in the implementation stage it

[2:10:55] goes through an approval process um ultimately coming through to one of my

[2:10:59] staff members for approval address change so Can employees get to their W2s

[2:11:05] and they can get to yes U their pay stubs and all that stuff CU I used to

[2:11:11] hate it when I'd go to buy a car or something they need you know three

[2:11:15] months of pay stubs you had to go beg for three months pay stubs from payroll

[2:11:19] yeah so you pull all that up on your it'll all be right there for them and

[2:11:22] they can get it when they need it past subbs

[2:11:25] W2s um any other information that we have or they need to have available to

[2:11:30] them and this is a One-Stop shop program yes everything's there so we can do away

[2:11:34] with all these other things that we're doing yes yes cuz I see emails all the

[2:11:38] time as 400's down nav Lin's down this is down that's down yeah well there's a

[2:11:43] couple department heads in here if you want to ask them about criteria and the

[2:11:46] problems they have with I know when I worked in Thomas we got emails daily

[2:11:50] about as4 400 was down I need to ask another question to Casey hang on one

[2:11:55] second now you said option one do we want option one or option two option one

[2:11:59] the work day that's option two this says Neil GES option one and workday sorry

[2:12:05] sorry say y'all got me really confused here so which one so we need to get to

[2:12:10] the basics of what we want first and then that's what I option two on Neo did

[2:12:17] y'all did y'all talk about the training aspect of that cuz I you was talking

[2:12:21] about a blank shell with work day but neoo has 6,000 different professional

[2:12:27] programs and everything different op they do that's the one we could we

[2:12:32] could probably keep the safety skills with if we went with them cuz he's got

[2:12:35] 1,700 training modules in there that's crazy but with the other one I'm not

[2:12:41] going to pay for the hold of it right now we we'll do we got the it doesn't

[2:12:45] cost that much to keep that content so we don't want the GU jobs part if we

[2:12:50] needed that subscription if we thought workday is a better system

[2:12:53] for three grand I'd rather have the system that everybody's I can go get it

[2:12:56] it's not I don't have to go through neoo to get their product cuz that's kind of

[2:13:00] sold separately as a license we bought it before we a couple years ago I

[2:13:04] purchased it uh um government jobs.com which is a proprietary product of neoo

[2:13:11] but they sell it separately and and I we purchased that's about 30 about $33,500

[2:13:17] I think if I remember correctly been a couple years ago so Chris you said look

[2:13:21] at this and look who's using it if you do that and compare them I mean how do

[2:13:24] you know who's good and who's not using it I mean all the counties are using the

[2:13:28] one we don't want and all these folks are using the ones we if you look at the

[2:13:33] government city of Charlotte High Point and who else is using for the government

[2:13:38] agencies on work dayses youve got three yeah but I'm saying foresight Guilford

[2:13:42] Rockingham Alamance ell cabar they're all using ne ne I you know are you going

[2:13:46] to say they're done the wrong thing I mean I I don't know use neoo every day

[2:13:52] of my life and uh I'm not sure I've never seen work days so I can't speak on

[2:13:58] or against I did but I know Neo does

[2:14:02] everything that y'all yeah I did talk to uh foresight Guilford and

[2:14:08] Rockingham they all only use the um ATS the applicant tracking system um which

[2:14:16] is governmentjobs.com and Rockingham does use the performance piece those are

[2:14:22] the only two pieces out of the entire package that they use really yeah and so

[2:14:28] my guess is if I were to call the rest of the counties that probably would be a

[2:14:33] similar story um that they don't use all of the all the components of neoa on the

[2:14:41] flip side I did talk to the city of Charlotte they uh started the

[2:14:47] implementation or they started the purchasing process in 20 they

[2:14:51] implemented the uh human the HR component uh a year ago they love it the

[2:14:58] reason they selected it is because it was really a true enterprise system

[2:15:03] versus the other systems they looked at um and meaning that they they can they

[2:15:11] are also then in the process of implementing the financial piece that

[2:15:16] has the financials on it and inventory controls um and they

[2:15:21] that well that's that's another benefit of the workday negotiations that's the

[2:15:25] kind of reason why I got involved with them they offer a grants management um

[2:15:28] and expense management which I assume is some kind of budget module you know we

[2:15:32] don't have a budget system you're staring at him so um we got the uh uh

[2:15:37] the finance piece The Ledger and so the newo go doesn't offer that so they're

[2:15:42] not the true Erp if that makes sense um work day will hold if we we don't have

[2:15:47] to buy right now this is not added in the finance p piece but you know for I

[2:15:52] think it's like 80 grand more a year for the finance piece there's a variety of

[2:15:56] other modules they will lock that price in for those if we want them in the next

[2:16:00] um I think it was 18 months or so work day will do that yeah workday will hold

[2:16:03] them modules for us as part of the contract negotiation so if we come back

[2:16:07] and say we want to roll with some of these other modules we don't even have

[2:16:10] to buy them all we just get the discount we can pick and choose from the menu and

[2:16:13] say we want this one we don't want this one so they do have that ability to take

[2:16:17] it all the way to Max I don't know that I'm still kind of working through my

[2:16:20] head on on The Ledger side what would be the benefit I see the benefit on the HR

[2:16:24] piece and obviously like I've told you guys the payroll system we got now even

[2:16:27] though it's as400 that's what a lot of people use I me it's 30 years old so

[2:16:32] that's what started a lot of this for me was like well we got probably got to

[2:16:35] move off that platform at some point in time but then as more I talk to these

[2:16:39] folks the more I realize man they are stewing over there wasting a lot of time

[2:16:43] keying I get all that I'm place over I'm trying to get to the money work day

[2:16:48] looks to me like I mean I know some of these folks that that owns workday and

[2:16:53] they do their research when it comes to to uh buying software you know so again

[2:17:00] I don't know how the rested board feels but some of it's local too right some

[2:17:03] local like I say I know I know I know there one and I know folks that work for

[2:17:07] this other but I know this guy uh pretty well and U so may I ask a couple

[2:17:12] questions so how how much money have we spent on

[2:17:18] anything new in the last I mean y'all working with someone that is literally

[2:17:23] 30 years old and you've had no improvements in those in that time

[2:17:28] periodic HR was the was the most recent okay new product uh time in attendance

[2:17:35] executive time was 7 208 or 17 time it's been that long ago and and the problem

[2:17:41] is they don't all talk to each other they're all separate systems right so I

[2:17:46] understand that so um all right at at so 20 2030 is 2030 going to be just another

[2:17:54] like 300 and some thousand it will if you go with either one it'll continue on

[2:18:00] the problem is I do kind of like that you know we don't normally lock into

[2:18:03] 10year deals around here right but I do like the fact that they work they was

[2:18:08] willing to tell me up front negotiate with me that if you want to do 10 I can

[2:18:12] kill off that CPI piece CU if not that's probably coming unless I work really

[2:18:17] hard to negotiate that I didn't spread this out five more years four years to

[2:18:20] see so you don't have that cost in but yes it's going to it's it going to be

[2:18:24] the 300,000 no matter what but you got to remember in their contract they're

[2:18:27] going to put inflators in there okay they're not going to give you zero right

[2:18:31] so but they have an 2% you know increase and then have in their standard

[2:18:36] contracts a thing that says they'll put CPI on top of that they're willing to

[2:18:40] kill the CPI piece if we want the 10year deal okay you know I'm going to

[2:18:45] recommend we spend the more money okay because I just think the probably the

[2:18:49] value is there and that's why been struggling with this trying to trying to

[2:18:53] figure out what we need to do or whatever but sometimes it's hard to say

[2:18:57] it cost it's a million dollars again where's the money coming from we Tim

[2:19:02] reminded me go back to outon just few minutes ago well we're going to go we

[2:19:06] either going to go to capital reserve for out and and remember you always got

[2:19:08] more additional sales tax and property tax that we've been storing up for

[2:19:11] Capital anyway we'll just take the menli off of that and siphon it off and use it

[2:19:15] for this cuz this is one time okay once we budget and get it in we're into the

[2:19:19] 300 Grand a year deal so we got that's where you're at anyhow

[2:19:23] yeah well we're 75 grand we're putting 200 in once we get to that place and and

[2:19:28] I don't want you to feel like man a million dollars why can't we go remember

[2:19:31] you get another one in 10 months get another one the one that's cheaper you

[2:19:34] would be three years so what's what's the price adding gov jobs if we're going

[2:19:38] to do it let's do it right it's only about three grand let us let us we can

[2:19:42] go straight to them once because you're talking commission you're talking to uh

[2:19:46] the back end of the 10 months before we let us get to that place and for Grand

[2:19:50] we find out we want it we can get it we can work it in the budget and we'll find

[2:19:53] out how to buy it one last question for me a GU job is on the ne ofg and we not

[2:19:57] getting that we getting work day will it transition into this yeah but that we

[2:20:01] can purchase the go job full work day okay sry you good go ahead the

[2:20:07] information that we have now it will transition into this flawlessly in the

[2:20:11] workday correct okay yep so you're not lose any data we will not lose any

[2:20:15] data flawlessly that's a big word there might be some

[2:20:21] I think little pain see always is always false don't get any it be a little more

[2:20:27] painful than that open go has whooped my tail so I'm going to ask all kinds of

[2:20:32] questions when it comes to we should not how's that we should not lose any

[2:20:39] data all right we good with that how do you want to handle that case on the cons

[2:20:44] can can I get permission to negotiate with uh work day a little bit more and

[2:20:48] make sure I got the details of the 10year what what's in what's out um you

[2:20:52] want a motion giving you if I can just get that I can just get consensus to

[2:20:56] negotiate I'll bring a contract forward it may not be Tuesday night but maybe

[2:20:59] the next meeting if you going to do that then just put it on the next Thursday

[2:21:03] meeting we got animal well we got the one where it's um the seating it'll be

[2:21:08] it's not it's like the meeting our next informational meeting is in January

[2:21:11] you're right you're right okay yeah that's fine just I might can make it get

[2:21:15] and share it with the board for us to look over and make sure and I'll just

[2:21:18] pass on something that workday said to me about Casey and he said he's like a

[2:21:23] pit bull when it comes to negotiation I paid him 10 bucks to do that yes indeed

[2:21:28] he knows he's going to catch it from up here if he's I think about this

[2:21:33] yesterday and my phrase was I will not go in there in front of them and this

[2:21:36] not be correct so you somebody better do something I know better I don't here I

[2:21:41] found out a long time ago the cheapest ain't always the best okay since we're

[2:21:45] spending money I would just say don't don't totally give up on the training

[2:21:50] aspect if we're going to invest in this in 10 years let's let's get him the

[2:21:54] pieces we have even if he has to build off of it let's let's get him what they

[2:21:58] need um well they got that they got that safety skills module yeah I just wish

[2:22:03] that I didn't have to pay for that in the work day to build I didn't want to

[2:22:06] build my own content that makes sense I don't I got it that's the only thing I

[2:22:10] didn't like but I'm in work day yeah work day I think you'd want to build

[2:22:14] your own content cuz they need tailor it to your to your they don't know what we

[2:22:18] we do I ain't sure let me work with them on that and see if I don't want to spend

[2:22:21] 40 grand for it just to sit there I just rather have but I'm seeing head shaking

[2:22:25] so they they want it yeah so yeah let's give them well that's what I'm saying

[2:22:30] let me negotiate with them and figure out I don't want to pay 40 G's and it

[2:22:33] sit there and I don't get no content if we ain't going to use anything we going

[2:22:35] to use it I I cut that out right we still have to use safety skills right

[2:22:39] but if I can figure out a way and it's seamless and easy if it can Implement

[2:22:43] what we have in that got remember I'm paying 13 now and they're going to

[2:22:46] charge me 40 for say so you see what I'm saying

[2:22:49] I'm spending them negotiation skills well I got it I so so is work day work

[2:22:54] day come in different modules or is it all pretty much no it's all in it's all

[2:22:58] inclusive yeah which really kind of they got they have some things internally

[2:23:02] within the system called work processes or what business processes or something

[2:23:07] that really write and we can write the script for the see and that's one thing

[2:23:11] I don't like about modules you got to buy this module you got to buy that one

[2:23:14] if you don't have it you know I mean I like somebody that gives me all

[2:23:19] everything they got and say technology seem to be just a step above I'm telling

[2:23:25] you with the folks on the back there the they U that uses their product they got

[2:23:29] to be stated the order those people's going to drop them and move on to

[2:23:32] somebody else well here's the deal they've got a uh cutting technology

[2:23:36] helps take a lot off of y'all which I've been studying since I've been up here so

[2:23:40] it's kind of won me over so yeah you two on the DSs board are y'all yall going to

[2:23:46] like those dashboards with the time to fi reports and turnarounds not just for

[2:23:49] the SS but for any Department I mean they're they're slick and they're very

[2:23:53] important get it right with your eyes and see it so if we do this when's it

[2:23:56] going to take place we're going to start in January star in January we get this

[2:24:00] thing in by the end of the year that's been our timeline as to start in January

[2:24:04] by the end of 2025 roughly yeah cuz it 10 months you start in January the end

[2:24:08] of end of 25 this time next year basically fingers crossed y basically

[2:24:13] we're just paying extra money to get it in now instead of w three get it in

[2:24:17] Faster you're going to use it faster than the other system so when you say

[2:24:20] the $500,000 for implementation is that people here or is that just online help

[2:24:27] I don't it's actually them doing some of the implementation work we will meet

[2:24:31] with them talk to them what we want they will go back and create the processes

[2:24:35] that we want so these applications is talking about they will do that yeah

[2:24:39] then then some of we're going to try to do some of it um as well remotely in the

[2:24:44] sense of video conferences and things like that and um we we tried as part of

[2:24:49] what in Casey's negotiation with them to try to limit the

[2:24:55] onsite um work and travel once I talked to him I didn't feel like I needed that

[2:24:59] as much they they're pretty slick about they put in a lot of systems online like

[2:25:03] that I just need somebody I I want that expertise of I got a problem here help

[2:25:07] me build that's how most of it's done now by the good companies they they do

[2:25:10] it and the other plus to workday is one of the people that we worked with as we

[2:25:15] talked through this lives in Davidson County doesn't live very far away from

[2:25:19] here so good so you can go put him in the car

[2:25:22] if you have to he's offered he's offered to help so yep okay sounds good thank

[2:25:27] you Tony thank you all right y'all have a great day okay thank you for coming

[2:25:32] yep hopefully this will make y'all's life

[2:25:37] better um permission uh side besides two side besides the sheriff's department

[2:25:44] uh whoever we finish this by 12:00 now we got to to a meeting he was

[2:25:50] here but you had to go to a meeting with the DA's office so you got my pretty

[2:25:53] face all right what uh I guess the question is what are yall use these for

[2:25:59] what are you replacing some well we've got the best I cuz I was not here when

[2:26:04] any of the current ones is bought but the best I've found

[2:26:09] out um we've got one that's a four-seater it's the only one it's a

[2:26:14] 2,000 I'm don't hold me to the exact year but best I've broke down is about a

[2:26:19] 2,000 your model it's piece of junk I'm sorry it is we had it fixed cuz we

[2:26:25] needed it for the barbecue festival so we did we got it fixed took it got it

[2:26:31] back took it to the barbecue festival wouldn't crank so it's still on

[2:26:37] the trailer I've got to get it back to sinks uh it's it's in the shop seems

[2:26:41] like more than it's sitting at our place what is it a kwasaki too it is a kwasaki

[2:26:47] mule it's an old mule that is really in 18 years as said things that

[2:26:55] evoled cross the curb but if you needed to go across a ditch you're not taking

[2:27:00] any of ours they're not made for that they're made for nice field work or

[2:27:06] something like that they're not made for search and rescue they're not made for

[2:27:10] going Offroad looking for a missing person they're not made you know for a

[2:27:15] wanted person that we've had to try to use them but we didn't we had three one

[2:27:20] broke down the other one's a ' 07 model it's a two-seater it's not made to go

[2:27:26] off-road it's made for field work flat ground uh the John Deere I'm not sure

[2:27:33] the model on it I'm assuming and some of y'all were here you may bought it when

[2:27:38] the range was built it stays at the range um it has our blue lights that we

[2:27:44] have to have mandated I know commissioner Shores understands that we

[2:27:49] have to have blue headlights when we do our qualification so it stays at the

[2:27:54] range so that puts us down to the one that we have right now um it's more of

[2:28:01] we need to upgrade get something that can get around a little bit better and

[2:28:07] is more reliable cuz every one of them is at least 18 years old they've been

[2:28:11] here since darald hagy day yes yeah it's here before my time yeah um what uh you

[2:28:17] going to keep the one down at the range then keep the one at the

[2:28:21] range um and we'll probably keep the kabot it's great for around the office

[2:28:26] when we we're using stuff around the H office hauling things from the storage

[2:28:30] building from the evidence building back up the kwasaki mill it needs to go so

[2:28:37] Dwayne can put it on go deals see what we can get out of it and you know if we

[2:28:42] have to we can get rid of the you know Kabota I don't have a problem with

[2:28:46] that it's just so you're asking for one or two

[2:28:50] too so we can we can turn into cabota too that's

[2:28:54] fine we just got to have something that is reliable that when we need it we can

[2:28:59] grab it and go um cuz the Farm Park we have to use one at the Farm park at

[2:29:05] least three times a year when we're working that the barbecue festival um

[2:29:11] there's another one I put it in whenever I sent the email and I don't even

[2:29:15] remember it now I can't remember are they six seaters or for well they six

[2:29:22] take five or six okay the front is usually a two and then the back you can

[2:29:26] put three three okay and it it does have a um tailgate the ones that we looked at

[2:29:33] if you needed to for whatever reason put a stretcher in the back of it you fold

[2:29:38] the back down and you can throw a full stretcher in the

[2:29:40] back cuz it would it has the convertible where you can turn the back seat into

[2:29:46] part of the bed okay I'd suggest if we're going to buy two new ones just go

[2:29:50] and sell the two old ones the Kabota and the other one and okay good with that

[2:29:54] use the newer ones you know um I agree so uh is this something y'all be willing

[2:30:00] to spend your drug forfeiture money or what I think we just spend it on the

[2:30:06] cameras you got you got more9

[2:30:10] some, uh the sheriff is not here I'd rather for the sheriff to make that

[2:30:15] determination that was not we were looking at trying to use lap SAR

[2:30:21] hard hard to use lap salary for that any that can be used I know um lap salary

[2:30:26] can be used yes I know it can be asked this morning did you at some point the

[2:30:33] federal government's going to be dropping quite a bit of money back for

[2:30:36] the hurricane duties that we've had to to work now that could be six months

[2:30:43] that could be a year we know how they work but uh it seems here lately they're

[2:30:49] they're a little bit quicker getting paperwork push I sure hate to you start

[2:30:52] getting into using lap salaries to buy equipment Casey I don't I mean this team

[2:30:56] we got 280 and drug for for your money so you got enough to do it major Craven

[2:31:01] I don't know you need to talk to sheriff about that though and see if he's

[2:31:04] willing to take 40 out of that 280 to do this I think so

[2:31:09] uh rather than do the lap hours for this I don't mind doing it but I would I'd

[2:31:14] like to see it come out of the drug forer cuz it it's going to open up a

[2:31:19] pandor box if we start letting people buy equipment with lap salaries so we've

[2:31:24] done it before we we have I mean I don't see why this is any

[2:31:29] different well I mean I'm just not crazy about using lap salaries I tell you that

[2:31:33] that's going down a bad road I don't care if it's been done we done it as

[2:31:36] this board before uh I don't know but any let me go

[2:31:40] back to this I'd be good with us buying one and y'all buying one if you want to

[2:31:44] okay you know I will goe for that and we take 40,000 I well be 40 be 20 yeah um I

[2:31:54] I'll go ahead and let the sheriff know and then let us know can I'm sure that's

[2:31:57] going to be good but I will I'll send I'll let Casey know by the end of the so

[2:32:02] that's us doing our part for for one and then y'all doing

[2:32:06] Y what look well I was I was going to tell him that I talked to CJ uh and

[2:32:12] again I'd like for y'all to do business here in this County you know that's one

[2:32:15] reason we went to CJ but also we needed to get two more so I went to some of the

[2:32:21] other ones I know one supplied them to the highway patrol so I went to them cuz

[2:32:25] that was a pretty good deal and then I went to another dealer that was Lo well

[2:32:29] not local but in the other County um because I got with him this morning just

[2:32:34] to see I mean you know these folks they employee people here and they pay taxes

[2:32:39] here and kind of a slap in the face when you go somewhere else and buy

[2:32:43] some if the prices are are somewhat comparable you know and he priced two of

[2:32:48] them out uh said he had both of them in stock for $1

[2:32:54] 19595 plus tax and that's with a windshield and a canopy and a wench well

[2:33:00] actually it's um with a wiench it's a Kawasaki Mule Pro fx1000 Le whatever

[2:33:07] that not the ranch law enforcement uh yeah yeah Ranch Edition okay right Ranch

[2:33:13] Edition with canaby and windshield okay and by looking at your prices and of

[2:33:17] course I didn't tell him what your prices were but looking at prices from

[2:33:21] down there and this looks comparable you know and it it is from what I remember

[2:33:26] yeah and I don't I don't with the winch I don't see a winch on that uh yeah one

[2:33:30] of them had winches on there they all should have had been with the winch

[2:33:35] because that model comes with the winch the ranch Edition comes with the winch

[2:33:40] yeah yeah I looked at that ranch Edition several years back and I bought a Canam

[2:33:44] instead of the ranch but uh that's a nice machine I like staying here because

[2:33:49] we can take it right down the road get it service get it worked on any

[2:33:51] maintenance right so I have this quote here if you'll share your sale number

[2:33:55] with me or something I'll forward it on to you I don't know all right I'll get

[2:33:59] it to Tim or whoever needs it Tim okay I'll get it to you they all have okay um

[2:34:06] and that way but this is a windshield and um whatever so yeah if you think

[2:34:11] y'all good and yall good with us buying one I'm I'm good with it and I I'm I'll

[2:34:16] touch base with the sheriff and confirm with him but I think that's a tradeoff

[2:34:20] you can't pass up all right man all right and those two like I said let's

[2:34:25] get those to go deal uh you might you may want to keep it's not bad if you if

[2:34:29] there's another agency in the county that wants to use one the cabota yes but

[2:34:33] I wouldn't take it Offroad it's great for field maintenance I'd say parts

[2:34:38] and parts and W there you go you want to you want to look at it Thomas and see if

[2:34:44] not let's get them on gov deals okay well i' like look at I know been talking

[2:34:48] to me about some I got

[2:34:52] one don't either he uses he gets the good

[2:34:58] out of them let's look and see if another department needs it before we

[2:35:01] put it on you know that cabota if you can move it to another department yeah

[2:35:07] right Vine for right but if CJ uh sink you said yall had it at sink to get it

[2:35:13] repaired and now it's not working again that's the mule right I would go ahead

[2:35:17] and get that back to him and see if they can get it fixed so we can get

[2:35:20] we don't want to sell something over here at deals it won't crank and so

[2:35:23] that's the plan is get it back to him sometime this week just time cuz they

[2:35:26] done fix it one time right it didn't work so and I'll I'll try to let him

[2:35:31] know that so okay all right thank you you all good with this going on consent

[2:35:34] for yeah and make sure he gets back with Cas or Tim or whoever he needs to with

[2:35:40] the yes sir make sure the sheriff's good thank you thank

[2:35:44] you all right mental health uh funding uh case is not here here but I guess uh

[2:35:51] uh no no no I'm sorry already did that one Mr chairman the next one yeah we did

[2:35:57] okay yeah go ahead with that one then tax amendment for the zoning ordinance

[2:36:01] Mr cook thank you Mr chairman I got all kind of marks down here good morning

[2:36:06] Madam uh commissioner fellow Commissioners um last month at the the

[2:36:11] uh the informational meeting we were talking about a text Amendment for an

[2:36:15] event center adding an event center to the zoning ordinance um we had IAL use

[2:36:20] permits and and and development standards and use by rights and all kind

[2:36:24] of different uh approval methods the consensus I took away from the board at

[2:36:28] that meeting was that you guys wanted something that's a little bit more uh

[2:36:33] property specific to be able to cater to the each individual property a little

[2:36:37] bit more specifically so I we Ste back from what we were looking at a little

[2:36:42] bit and talked with um Andrew how with um M Mr Jones's office and what we're

[2:36:49] propos proposing and what we forwarded to you is a new procedure a new approval

[2:36:54] procedure called CZ which would ask the applicant to

[2:36:59] basically request a conditional zoning uh rezoning application if they wanted

[2:37:05] to uh conduct this type of activity on their property and and if you'll the

[2:37:11] information that we sent to you we

[2:37:15] proposed having a CZ RC CZ CSC Z HC and Allowed by right in Li and hi so if you

[2:37:24] had a li or hi property you could have an event center in an old industrial

[2:37:27] building or something like that but if you were going to try to do this on any

[2:37:33] other property what the staff would probably recommend is you guys need to

[2:37:38] apply for a czrc out in a residential area the RC District does not play by

[2:37:44] the same rules specifically as your Cs and your HC you don't have to stick to

[2:37:49] the Land Development plan is closely you don't have to be at intersections those

[2:37:52] are have a lot more obtrusive uses so if if someone wanted to conduct an event

[2:37:57] center on a piece of property this kind of rule we'd ask them to apply for a

[2:38:01] czrc then that would give us the tools not dissimilar to the the recent

[2:38:06] Davidson Craven application that we kind of modified uh and and got very specific

[2:38:12] with the parcel this would give the commission and staff and the plan board

[2:38:16] tools to look at the individual property you know see the size set decel levels

[2:38:22] set screening requirements Set uh you know setbacks if if the board wanted to

[2:38:28] do that it would in staff's opinion offer a lot of flexibility for each

[2:38:32] individual

[2:38:36] parcel be happy to entertain any questions any questions yeah motion go

[2:38:44] ahead commissioner McClure no I don't have Oh I thought you said you did

[2:38:51] all right so what do we need to do well I I think we can maybe continue it and

[2:38:56] set it for a um you know the next available Commissioners meeting to you

[2:39:02] know vote on the uh Amendment maybe put it on for the 25th to give us a do you

[2:39:06] have what is your thoughts on on U if You' got a speaker who wants to allocate

[2:39:12] his time to another speaker I see that in here but he can have no more than 6

[2:39:17] minutes so what is that NE is that something that that

[2:39:22] you've seen in other meetings as necessary that's not

[2:39:26] that's I'm old school and I I I'm believe believe we in the process if

[2:39:32] we're off topic zoning ordinance request what I me yeah they had Event Center we

[2:39:36] on event we're we're on Event

[2:39:41] Center on a public

[2:39:45] hearing change I you're here I did have some interest in that top no that's fine

[2:39:50] I did have some interest in that topic yeah throw that away from no that's okay

[2:39:54] that's okay hey you fixing the answer that's pretty good I was going to try to

[2:39:58] come up with an answer they all talking the same thing I P up wrong I'm a

[2:40:04] Believer in the process and I think people should have the opportunity to be

[2:40:06] heard you know earlier they was talking about decimal points and on that's where

[2:40:10] I was going with Event Center is that where you was going with it or no I

[2:40:13] picked up on that yeah I'm talking to Jason you said you had a reason for the

[2:40:18] decimals too or cuz the 55 was that's pretty strict the

[2:40:23] 55 decel point is very strict that's really strict yeah yeah cuz we we've set

[2:40:30] 70 kind of at Morrison's Grove and and while it hadn't eliminated motor grass

[2:40:35] they violating that's right well with respect yeah with but we've set 70 at

[2:40:41] the property line for morison's Grove and that's greatly reduced the uh the

[2:40:46] amount of complaints that we we've got and there they said was 50 five five I

[2:40:50] think the property line that's pretty strict that's pretty

[2:40:55] strict but we could we can you know negotiate that the the drawback to the

[2:40:59] CZ is that the applicant has to agree to the condition but under the same premise

[2:41:07] you know it's a legislative action and the board has authority to deny the

[2:41:10] application if you're not comfortable with what's taking place but it was

[2:41:15] critical U Mr how said we needed to have location in the ordinance and in the

[2:41:20] county where it is allowed by right that's why we we left it in the Li and

[2:41:24] the hi um to to so if you've got those properties you you don't you just have

[2:41:29] to get technical permits upfi permits but most of these places are going to be

[2:41:34] you know out in the country in rural areas and we would we would kind of

[2:41:38] direct them to ask for a czrc on their property and and then we'd have all

[2:41:43] those tools available to negotiate for that specific site sounds okay thank you

[2:41:48] yes sir thank you Mr could we have a motion in a second to continue this to

[2:41:54] November 25th since it is technically a public hearing I have a motion motion

[2:41:58] have a second second all in favor any opposed thank you thank you all all

[2:42:05] right 7i discussion on changing public hearing

[2:42:10] procedures Mr

[2:42:16] chairman I know you had sent it to me here a while back about yes sir um I

[2:42:23] sent this and the reason being is I've witnessed and I have to be at a

[2:42:28] lot of the county commissioner meetings in Rockingham County and their procedure

[2:42:33] for public hearing seems to just seems from somebody as a commissioner serving

[2:42:38] in Davidson County and going there from the staff proposal it seems that it

[2:42:42] operates a whole lot cleaner when you have set limits of times to speak people

[2:42:48] don't reoccur what somebody else is saying in other words it's the

[2:42:52] redundancy is down to zero the community gets together they either focus with one

[2:42:59] person they can relinquish their minutes to speak if if Steve says what I feel

[2:43:05] and then I was going to say the exact same thing I can give my minutes to

[2:43:09] somebody else or I can give an additional minutes to Steve as he

[2:43:12] continues to speak or whatever so I I think you know having a clear set like

[2:43:18] that just tends to work out a little bit better I'm not trying to say that you

[2:43:23] know we're trying to limit U the citizens or anything like that but I do

[2:43:27] think it's this is not just um a benefit for for the the the people but what if

[2:43:35] you've got seven public hearings and the first public hearing wants to talk to 12

[2:43:40] at night is that fair to the other citizens that need their stuff heard so

[2:43:44] I I really think it's a benefit for us to just having in the Chairman's uh

[2:43:49] wheelhouse to say you know here's what we've got we've got a timer up once the

[2:43:54] timer's done you have been heard everybody gets a chance to be heard up

[2:43:58] into a percentage of time and the community gets to decide most of the

[2:44:03] times when these communities get in here like the one we just had they've got a

[2:44:06] spokesperson anyhow and um you know we want to hear what they've got to say but

[2:44:11] it gives them the Hest to say get together get your points out let us hear

[2:44:15] it but then we can operate our meeting in an efficient manner another thing

[2:44:20] another thing that uh is is different that I want I'm asking you Chris how

[2:44:26] works out is the fact they have to sign up they do and here we don't do that

[2:44:31] yeah they they sign up they have their stuff we we connect we get their

[2:44:36] information but um they sign up to speak and we kind of already know that these

[2:44:42] are going to be the time limits and then it helps the other people know who's on

[2:44:45] the list so if they need a copy to relinquish their time time to the next

[2:44:49] speaker or if they feel like anything's not going to be done they can kind of

[2:44:53] get together and do that I'm going to start off with Fred since he's done as

[2:44:57] many public hearings as anybody in here to see what his thoughts uh I

[2:45:02] I I don't uh necessarily agree with that because you you're going to cut people

[2:45:08] off that might want to speak and whether or not that person thinks that uh

[2:45:14] somebody in front of him has said the same thing is really not is really not a

[2:45:21] mood point if he wants to speak as public hearing he ought to be able to

[2:45:25] speak and I have said on these things with the animal

[2:45:31] folks that I go on and on and on but they have every effort every um

[2:45:39] opportunity to speak at a public hearing that's what the public hearing is for

[2:45:44] and if we say well we're only going to have five people speak or 10 people

[2:45:50] speak or it's only going to be 30 minutes then I I I think that we defeat

[2:45:55] the the use of the public hearing the whole idea of the public

[2:46:00] hearing is for the public to be able to speak right now uh I agree with

[2:46:10] Fred if you stop and think about I understand the need to be looking at

[2:46:15] stuff like this but if you stop and think about it we don't have that many

[2:46:19] and it's an occasion of what once in a year once every couple years we don't

[2:46:22] have that many and I agree that the public deserves their day in court if if

[2:46:27] you will you

[2:46:31] know I would just like to say because that's right I would just like

[2:46:36] to say because I know that um certain Commissioners in Rockingham County

[2:46:41] listen I would doubt that Kevin berer or Mark Richardson or any of these

[2:46:47] conservative Republican Commissioners would ever relinquish the time or duties

[2:46:54] of a citizen to to say that that the policy that they've got put in place is

[2:46:59] trying to limit a Citizens time to be able to speak their opinion I think is

[2:47:05] is just asinine to me I just think it's it's government efficiency now what it

[2:47:12] does is it sets in line the duty that the chairman of the Board of

[2:47:15] Commissioners already has it's written in stone that the chairman at any time

[2:47:19] can set a speaker one speaker on behalf of the community that's written in our

[2:47:24] state constitution it's written in our state constitution that we have every

[2:47:28] right to put a limit to to make sure that our our meetings go on as plan and

[2:47:36] it and it also limits the fact that if you did have a group of individuals who

[2:47:40] tried to make a mockery of this board and that meeting they could they could

[2:47:45] hold hostage this group and we could have an UNL limited amount of speakers

[2:47:50] for an unlimited turn of minutes which is not

[2:47:53] okay I'm just trying to bring that out there it's never been done but it could

[2:47:58] be done and if you look at the you know things that's going on in the community

[2:48:02] if they wanted to bring a 100 people and we don't have a set term or a guideline

[2:48:08] on how to operate these meetings it's not doing us any good and it's not doing

[2:48:12] anybody else that's on the agenda any good if they want to speak that's my

[2:48:15] only reason and gentlemen Mr and Madam yeah the only the only thing that I

[2:48:21] would say to that and it's not it's not a disagreement with You Chris yes sir is

[2:48:26] you you said yourself it's already written in stone is in the Constitution

[2:48:29] it's already written what chairman could do so why why would we what is the need

[2:48:34] to duplicate when the chairman already has that

[2:48:37] Authority I can add on that yeah we have in the past especially where we've had

[2:48:43] um a long public hearing we have asked the people that uh if they have had

[2:48:49] their piece covered that they would give it up and they they have been very good

[2:48:55] in doing that we've had people say well you know we don't want you know we call

[2:49:01] on somebody because they have the hand R you you say well we've already covered

[2:49:05] ours we don't need to go up and and we've done that and it's been very

[2:49:10] successful with the exception of the animal things and with the animal things

[2:49:16] that they they won't speak and I mean you know they come from I

[2:49:21] tried to limit to Davidson County you can't do

[2:49:25] that I just when I was talking to these commissioners before bringing it in

[2:49:31] front of the chairman and and the rest of my my board members uh here uh I was

[2:49:38] asking them pros and cons and the cons that they've had from having this policy

[2:49:45] in Rockingham County has been zero because every everybody knows up front

[2:49:49] what the public hearing policy is what the what the minutes are what's going to

[2:49:54] be stated and they haven't had anybody complain so I did not think it was going

[2:50:00] to be an intrusive policy but I thought it would be one that could be clearly

[2:50:05] stated legally backed and uh could could help all the citizens be heard in a

[2:50:12] timely manner in in instances where we have seven public hearings and um

[2:50:19] I just thought it would be beneficial to all the citizens Adam I got a question

[2:50:23] for you then I'm going to leave I'm gonna have you my fellow board members

[2:50:26] here in this conversation does the Constitution give the chairman the right

[2:50:31] to only limit one person in a public hearing

[2:50:35] well when I Casey asked me to look at this question about um you

[2:50:41] know Mr Elliott had had um you know had provided I guess it was Mr Elliott who

[2:50:46] had provided the the sample um so you know the board I mean under the state

[2:50:53] statute does have the ability to limit I mean to pass rules and that would limit

[2:51:01] um you know for example the ma time I get it do all that stuff um and then

[2:51:09] there's you know there's a lot of positive case law about you know the

[2:51:13] fact that you know not everybody has to be given an opportunity to get up

[2:51:19] speak um you know so I so what I think what it comes down to is you know what

[2:51:26] is this what is this board comfortable doing now me in terms of your I mean

[2:51:30] your specific question about um you know in terms of the the chair authori being

[2:51:38] able to just I mean you you can run I mean you do you know have the authority

[2:51:44] to run I mean you are running the meeting I mean um but but I would think

[2:51:49] not to disagree with Chris but I would think they would it would be hard to

[2:51:53] have any kind of law that would have one person like me as a chair uh as or

[2:51:59] whoever the chairman may be to only say one person could speak in a public

[2:52:03] hearing because then you're really not having a a public and I and I don't I

[2:52:08] yeah I I I think if you're going to have if you're going to set

[2:52:13] rules like that I think it's something that you would need to do in advance I

[2:52:17] mean I I you saying I think that those are rules that you would need to set I

[2:52:21] don't think that you could from the chair position I don't think you could

[2:52:26] just say I'm I'm limiting it to you know a single person just you

[2:52:32] know and I never would agree to that to me it needs to be a board decision but

[2:52:35] on the other hand it'd be hard for me to believe you could only allow one person

[2:52:38] to speak at a public hearing you know yeah my my position because again it's a

[2:52:43] public hearing you know if we're debating law we should have had the law

[2:52:47] ready and ail a before this meeting I'm not trying to statute but if we're if

[2:52:53] we're going to debate this and staff knows that this is going to be a

[2:52:55] contentious argument and I'm just saying I'm just saying just hold on a minute

[2:53:02] and we knew that we were going to have this information brought out and we

[2:53:05] should have had the exact law you know for North Carolina based on the Board of

[2:53:10] Commissioners what the commissioner's Authority is well I I I do have it it's

[2:53:14] I mean so the statute is is 153 A- 52 and um and it says that the board May

[2:53:22] adopt reasonable rules governing the conduct of public hearings including

[2:53:26] been unlimited to rules fixing the time the maximum time allowed to each

[2:53:32] speaker providing for the designation of spokespeople for groups of people who

[2:53:37] are spokes people for groups that's what not just saying one person can speak but

[2:53:42] spokes people for groups continue on um providing for the selection of delegates

[2:53:48] you know people who have the same position similar to what yeah and I've

[2:53:52] already went through this before in meetings prior have you been a part of

[2:53:56] it I know Fred is because we discussed this some time before I can go ahead and

[2:54:00] tell the consensus of the board's probably not to approve this and I I'm

[2:54:03] fine with no I'm not saying that I'm saying I want to know if the chairman

[2:54:07] has that Authority or not because that's the part I've never heard you do have

[2:54:11] that author I know what this board can do as a consensus we can come up with

[2:54:14] any kind of rules as a chairman you have that yes sir I would like for you to

[2:54:17] double check that because I will do that do some research because again to me

[2:54:22] that's giv one person The Authority it's kind of like we talking

[2:54:26] about before about attorneys back there sometimes I think I'm one Casey does and

[2:54:31] I'm far from that but it's it's hard for me to believe that one person would have

[2:54:36] that kind of authority in a public hearing because uh it's difficult when

[2:54:41] you get in situation because it during the public hearings you generally have

[2:54:47] people who think of a question that they would like to discuss that wasn't

[2:54:53] brought up by the other people and they would be that would eliminate them from

[2:54:59] being able to give their opinion see what I'm saying yeah but I I

[2:55:05] kind of it it happens especially where you have a lot of pros and cons from the

[2:55:10] board and from the speakers did you put up that policy Mr uh Casey for everybody

[2:55:17] to read that I sent you from Lance is it not attached to the item I didn't see it

[2:55:22] it is it's in our there it is for some reason I couldn't pull like I said the

[2:55:27] other night after that public hearing you have some that even come up with

[2:55:30] questions after the public hearing's closed you know so you always going to

[2:55:33] have that that's I thought that was spoken of in there in

[2:55:38] their additional matters what I don't really have a problem with and then

[2:55:42] we'll get to y'all well y'all go ahead first okay well let me let me go ahead

[2:55:47] the this one as written I think the problem

[2:55:51] is the 30 minute time limit okay you know I think that's if you give three

[2:55:56] minutes okay that's only 10 people you know that's that's that's only 10 people

[2:56:02] um if they don't want to give up their um time you know and you know some of

[2:56:08] these contentious but I think more than anything the way the way you've

[2:56:14] conducted Fred the ones of us that I've seen be chair when we I think it's a

[2:56:19] case by case basis is is what you kind of have to look at I've seen like

[2:56:25] commissioner um what's my name what's your name

[2:56:30] Todd obviously commissioner y obvious me ince y I'm good I do the same thing all

[2:56:37] time I'm getting tired terrible we've as we moved through

[2:56:42] the meeting we've changed things you know to make it run a little bit better

[2:56:48] like the other night with him saying again I would like for you to consider

[2:56:53] whether you've already what you're going to say has already been said and a lot

[2:56:57] of them all only just need to be reminded of that and they'll sit back in

[2:57:01] their chair and they will not get up and speak so I think it's a case by case uh

[2:57:07] as to the you know contentiousness of the situation and I like the way the

[2:57:13] chairman has the ability to do that you know and over time as we get older we do

[2:57:19] a better job you know of of being chair and conducting the meeting so I don't

[2:57:26] believe I would CH I don't I don't believe I would change it from what

[2:57:29] we're doing I just think the chair needs to

[2:57:33] be mindful of trying to get it to move along keep it going and I think I I

[2:57:40] think that's up to us Mr chairman if I can kind of add into this a little bit

[2:57:45] cuz I I would suspect and commissioner can correct me if I'm wrong working

[2:57:51] having worked in Alamance County this policy was probably written by the same

[2:57:54] attorney yeah that's it was similar thing in Alamance we had public hearings

[2:57:59] where like we do now here and it was implemented with uh some guidelines on

[2:58:05] time for speakers um I think commissioner Watford made a good point

[2:58:09] the 30 minute time limit kind of Narrows down if you got a room full of people

[2:58:12] that's 10 people that's right yeah it is but not having a time limit on an

[2:58:17] individual speaker allows an individual speaker to monopolize potentially the

[2:58:22] room I've never seen it happen here since I've been in Davidson County but I

[2:58:25] have seen in other places you city of Greensboro that's happened before

[2:58:29] happened in Alamance before it's possible you know that that so just kind

[2:58:34] of putting that out there as well but if that's the case

[2:58:40] Jason is it not the forgive me is it not the Chairman's

[2:58:45] purview to say to stop it Mr you for 30 minutes we've done that've

[2:58:52] done that I believe we've heard what you've got to say not legally Point

[2:58:56] become a disruption of the meeting and that's a different issue if you said

[2:59:00] it's the state constitution yeah you said it was in the Constitution has to

[2:59:05] be listed it has to be listed before can I you read the whole thing can I can I

[2:59:09] just just well we've done it anyway interject quickly on this I so we we do

[2:59:15] currently have a rule in our you know in in our rules of procedure for for this

[2:59:22] board um we do and it's it's rule 28 and it says that public hearings required by

[2:59:30] law um or deemed advisable by the board um you know at at the time that

[2:59:38] you set the hearing you can what this what this

[2:59:43] calls for is that you can set forth you know any rules regarding the length of

[2:59:48] time allotted um you know and designating

[2:59:52] Representatives right um and then it says at the pointed time the chair uh

[2:59:57] you know the chair will you know will have the you you'll have the ability to

[3:00:03] enforce that um so what the what the rules call for now is essentially it's a

[3:00:09] caseby casee situation so if you feel like you know an upcoming hearing is

[3:00:16] going to require something you know some kind of

[3:00:21] a time limit or you know definitive closing time you know per person or you

[3:00:29] know for the entire hearing you can set that at the time you set the public

[3:00:35] hearing so I think I think what Mr Elliott is is proposing would be to you

[3:00:40] know to to make it you know a more of a a

[3:00:45] uniform so so we can we can set each time at a uh at each individual meeting

[3:00:51] yes yes so you can but I but I do think that's something that should be set

[3:00:56] forth you know so when at the time that you set the public hearing you you would

[3:01:02] want to state in the hearing notice you know what the rules are going

[3:01:08] to be you know and here's something I'm going to say a little bit um I I don't

[3:01:13] think 30 minutes is long enough I don't either but I think maybe we should do an

[3:01:17] hour yeah I agree with an you know what I

[3:01:21] mean just like we had one public hearing go sorry to interrupt you but it it went

[3:01:26] to 2:00 in the morning yeah and you know so because again most of it we do hear

[3:01:31] it's the same thing even though you tell them not speak about the same thing it's

[3:01:35] the same thing but also puts the chairman in a bad position with the way

[3:01:39] the rules are now if he if he marks a public hearing and says now these

[3:01:44] individuals I'm only going to allow them speak but we don't have a policy that's

[3:01:47] broad now it looks like he's pointing them out so having a policy that at

[3:01:53] least is somewhat Broad and in fact covers the it it does not make the

[3:02:00] chairman look like he's trying to point a specific group out I I attended a a

[3:02:06] public hearing recently where well something not too long ago but we know

[3:02:12] what it was I think in the city the uh board gave an hour and a half for those

[3:02:19] who want to speak in favor and an hour and a half for those who want to speak

[3:02:25] in opposition to it it ended up calling the meeting and it's been postponed to

[3:02:29] later on because they got so far out of hand and so long that but they they they

[3:02:35] laid it out but they didn't adhar to it because the first speaker was uh spoke

[3:02:39] three hours well see I think I think the three minute limit is is a definite you

[3:02:44] got to have that so nobody can dictate disagree on the on our public

[3:02:49] comment we limit them to three minutes you're right on the public hearing we

[3:02:55] don't they get hearing they ought to be able um to express their

[3:03:00] opinion but I don't think Fred they should be able to talk three hours amen

[3:03:05] and I I think that what we're talking about here is something that doesn't

[3:03:08] particularly apply to this board because I hadn't heard anybody come here and

[3:03:13] want to speak an hour or even three hours or EX 30 minutes I go to this

[3:03:19] public hearing will take you with me but they could most of the most of the time

[3:03:24] it's done you know and it's over but but I'm just saying I don't know like an

[3:03:28] hour again most of the time and I and I'm forgiving everybody their right to

[3:03:32] speak everybody knows that um but you know in an hour you should have enough

[3:03:39] time should to know all the issues at hand how about this Mr chairman cuz I've

[3:03:45] had this done before how about the hour for the the total public hearing right

[3:03:51] and then each person gets five minutes to

[3:03:54] speak with the ability to speak twice and once I spoke once I've spoken twice

[3:04:00] on a subject that's my 10 minutes and I should be

[3:04:03] done that get pretty complicated to keep up with you know a little bit I mean I I

[3:04:09] don't have any problem with it with the women that that would

[3:04:13] cut the animal folks down to to an hour I don't have any problem with that when

[3:04:19] when I first was on the board they were doing the uh Planning and Zoning

[3:04:24] remember when they started doing that and they had to go down to the theater

[3:04:29] down there to have the hearing now that was a long hearing another one was when

[3:04:34] we when we tried to do the uh public hearing on the yetkin before when we

[3:04:41] went to several different places to to see what theirs was but we haven't had a

[3:04:46] situation in in my knowledge that that went that

[3:04:52] way the only ones that I've seen are the ones with kids and the ones with pets

[3:04:58] and those tend to go longer than yeah we we ain't had a whole lot of trouble with

[3:05:03] it but again and you there's no problem with announcing at the beginning

[3:05:08] especially if you if you have it that the announce that

[3:05:12] the item for such and such will be limited to an hour you I don't think you

[3:05:18] can have yeah but I think like you said we kind of need to set it up as a board

[3:05:22] yeah yeah and and I think it's you know I don't I I don't want to speak for

[3:05:28] Casey but I I think you know what what we're looking to you know the board you

[3:05:36] know at this meeting is to sort of determine is this something that you all

[3:05:41] are interested in pursuing further and if if that's the case you know sort of

[3:05:46] let us know what the General sort of what the general um you know premises

[3:05:52] are that you would want us to cover and then we could go back and kind of draft

[3:05:57] a policy you know that would be you know that would that would be geared towards

[3:06:03] ex you know how you want it to be um you know and it and I guess you know a big

[3:06:10] part of this is this deciding in advance or deciding you know whether you want to

[3:06:15] to do something more specific you know is you know are are you satisfied with

[3:06:21] the current rule where you know you could set you know you could set

[3:06:27] parameters on time you know and representation you know on a Case by

[3:06:33] case basis and and you really as Casey said I think you would need to do it in

[3:06:38] advance um you know and publish it in the hearing notice or do you want to you

[3:06:44] know adopt you know specific time limit that will apply across the board always

[3:06:51] you know for all hearings so I mean that's seems to be kind of the you know

[3:06:57] a big part of the pro thought process there I think that bring about that

[3:07:04] though is our public hearings are set at the same time that the planning board

[3:07:08] public hearings are set they don't even know whether it's contested at that

[3:07:11] point in time I mean we do have some that like David and Craven we knew it

[3:07:15] was going to be contested but they they had things that come up that they don't

[3:07:19] see being contested and their we've already scheduled a public hearing

[3:07:23] before they've had theirs and and I don't want to look I don't I don't want

[3:07:27] the board as a whole to look you know to look like we're aggressive

[3:07:34] towards any party we we just I I think it'd be beneficial just for the citizens

[3:07:41] of Davon County just to have a policy that was Broad and whatever we voted it

[3:07:45] would be beneficial for them too because people's got to sit out there and hear

[3:07:48] the same thing we got to hear over and over and over too you know I mean and

[3:07:52] again they talk about traffic well we don't have anything to do with traffic

[3:07:55] they don't understand that but if do gives them a permit then that's traffic

[3:07:59] is not really ours I get it they want us to hear it and I'm listening but again

[3:08:03] we don't have a whole lot to say about the traffic part of it but again we may

[3:08:07] be doing them a favor because they ain't got to sit here till midnight especially

[3:08:11] if you're the hearing behind that I think the hour limit is is something

[3:08:16] that we could and do and and limit it I don't see a problem with that I

[3:08:22] have a problem individually yeah we had to situation come up where we had the uh

[3:08:28] people down there at the lake I think or maybe maybe was at the lake where they

[3:08:32] had uh disables where the guys was having parties down there and he was

[3:08:37] doing it all nice long we we talked to those people two or three times and it

[3:08:42] was one of those things that we wanted to try to get the folks the staff to do

[3:08:47] do something about and look into and and that happens hey like I said you just

[3:08:52] tell them at the beginning of the meeting look we got an hour be mindful

[3:08:56] of other people's time say say what you want to say and be mindful that we only

[3:09:01] have a total of an hour but go ahead and once this policy if it's adopted I can

[3:09:05] see where it would be beneficial to get opposition organized you know you get

[3:09:11] your speakers you get your points and your ideas across but to be so

[3:09:16] restricted that you disenfranchise the citizen uh where they don't feel like

[3:09:22] they get there that's The Balancing Act and I I don't envy you sitting in that

[3:09:25] chair because that the the I'm I'm a Believer in the process I've been doing

[3:09:30] this 31 years I remember the pedmont chemical uh public hearing that last

[3:09:36] well past midnight so I I could see a benefit to to limiting the time frame

[3:09:42] and and you know up front you're going to have an hour you're going to have an

[3:09:46] hour and a half whatever that that number is that helps the opposition and

[3:09:50] the applicant get organized and get the points across where you're not just

[3:09:54] peace Mill here and the same things again so what is a good time an hour

[3:09:58] hour and a half what what's a good time it's it's got subjective based on the

[3:10:02] the content of the but I'm just saying what would your thoughts be an hour

[3:10:06] would be proba I think an hour would probably be adequate you you can shoot

[3:10:10] for that but if you have something like a pedmont chemical or or something where

[3:10:14] you're taking in a lot of technical information a larger project you you

[3:10:18] could maybe make an exception to the rule and say hour and a half for the

[3:10:21] entire public hearing and I'm on the chairman would have that right to add

[3:10:24] another 30 minutes at the time we would write that into the policy that that

[3:10:29] would be don't don't need to write it in you just do it do that yeah you have um

[3:10:34] then that pedm chemical thing we had more discussion amongst the board than

[3:10:40] we had from the citizens so the majority of the of the upon time we spent was

[3:10:46] back in forth with the cuz it was very contentious it was ultimately declined

[3:10:52] the reason why I continue to say right into a policy is because these are Quasi

[3:10:57] judicial these are public hearings this is a legislative deal and to hold up in

[3:11:03] court what I've been advised of by by councils and and even our councils that

[3:11:09] if we have a firm policy that we stand before of if if it if it's not been done

[3:11:16] before we give notice of the public hearing not the public hearing it has to

[3:11:21] be given the rules and procedures at the notice of the public hearing so at that

[3:11:25] point in time before meetings might be happening or whatever the chairman has

[3:11:29] to then name these things if we have a policy it's done we don't have to think

[3:11:34] about it and I think I know this board hears you know legislative public

[3:11:38] hearings and quasa judicial hearings I think you you'd have to be a lot more

[3:11:42] relaxed in theal setting because if an applicant doesn't feel like they have

[3:11:47] what time and Adam can maybe speak to this to get their points in because if

[3:11:51] it moves up Beyond this decision the judge bases the whole decision on the

[3:11:57] record and and that you know so the the for a quasi judicial hearing you'd have

[3:12:02] to be a little bit more relaxed you'd have to give about as much time as they

[3:12:06] pretty much as much time as they needed yeah or they felt like they needed and I

[3:12:10] don't think that it the the Board needs permission to extend time on anything no

[3:12:16] I I I don't think they do either um you have limit if the applicant understands

[3:12:22] you don't think everybody's heard you can extend it well if the applicant

[3:12:26] understands you got extra amount of time it's a gift to really get more time you

[3:12:31] do so I think that yeah all right if everybody's good

[3:12:35] with it I mean why don't we start off with an hour and let's just again if it

[3:12:39] don't work we can see I mean so will that be an hour for and an hour against

[3:12:43] or just hour total yeah

[3:12:47] yeah I mean if that was something that they could just include in their public

[3:12:50] hearing notice that the that the public hearings would be limited to an hour

[3:12:54] right right and maybe amend the rules of procedure well right so I I mean I guess

[3:12:59] the question is is do you want you want it to be I mean it it

[3:13:05] would appear it would appear in your your

[3:13:08] notices but I guess question is you know would you be do you think it would be

[3:13:14] satisfactory to just start putting that in the Public Notices as a as a matter

[3:13:20] of course and you know and if we and if we wouldn't that wouldn't even require a

[3:13:26] change in policy that would meet your Authority as the as the CH all I'm

[3:13:31] saying you know so just so that you so that each time it would just be in the

[3:13:36] template that says you know we're calling a hearing and you know you every

[3:13:42] time we send out one of those it would just have an hour but it would not then

[3:13:46] the knows and the clerk keeps up with the hour and that's the way and it

[3:13:49] wouldn't I but it wouldn't be a change to your rules or would you do you want

[3:13:54] to actually change your rules to add the hour I'm good for not changing the rules

[3:13:59] keep the rules the same but at least mention and and cover the requirement in

[3:14:04] the statute for the Chairman's Authority and I think we be I agree I agree with

[3:14:08] that I think put the hour in there to make sure you also put in that template

[3:14:12] yes that the chairman has the option by Constitution amen to to extend the time

[3:14:18] to extend the time or whatever necess I don't know I don't know that I'd put

[3:14:23] that in a public is not necessary I wouldn't put that in the public hearing

[3:14:27] I just say we're going to limit it to an hour of saying on all non quasa judicial

[3:14:34] that's the way I was talk be prepared to defend and this board seen enough public

[3:14:37] hearings to know which ones may push that hour limit so a lot of them are you

[3:14:42] know 5 10 15 minutes and we're done so thank goodness on the days we got five

[3:14:46] hearings yeah oh yeah but like saying the chairman remind them up front look

[3:14:50] this is an our public so oh yeah you know try try to keep the I'm good with

[3:14:55] that repetitive stuff okay CU if not yeah I mean sometime you knew we sat

[3:15:00] here for two and a half hours listening to the same thing yeah I mean and you

[3:15:05] can tell them a hundred times not to repeat the same stuff but they going to

[3:15:09] do it so thank you all right we got that one so we got some of it out sir some of

[3:15:13] that sir an hour yep an hour one hour all right

[3:15:17] discussion of Burlington home uh Consortium board of directors Mr I'm

[3:15:22] sorry solar panel itself I'm I'm ahead of myself um I keep looking at that qu

[3:15:27] clock and going it's lunchtime but it's only 11:00 1100 oh my good I have not

[3:15:33] changed the clock I've been thinking this I'm like man I got to go I got to

[3:15:37] go I got to go I was about to start SL I was

[3:15:41] wondering why I wasn't hungry yet but that's cool I

[3:15:45] know all right so Le we can do it on Thursday morning we got I be here at

[3:15:50] 12:00 oh Lord to set your own rules on that 7j

[3:15:56] okay so we talked about this briefly I'm just going to wait for these guys for a

[3:16:01] second here not sure okay um so we talked about this briefly at our our

[3:16:07] last meeting this this solar lease option um so and and we ended up

[3:16:14] continuing it because we I think there were only three members of the board who

[3:16:17] were who were here when we talked about it so I'm going to just quickly talk

[3:16:21] through it again um so you all probably recall when we bought this the property

[3:16:28] from the Franks at 350 acres for the park um that Debbie can you possibly

[3:16:35] bring up that agreement and scroll to the very end where there's that picture

[3:16:40] of the

[3:16:43] property okay yeah so you guys I I mean so when we bought the

[3:16:50] property you know it was it's subject to this um option agreement with the Solar

[3:16:56] Company to uh to put a to lease this property to

[3:17:02] for a solar farm um and so when we took the property we bought the property it's

[3:17:10] subject to that option agreement and um as part of the sale process we agreed

[3:17:19] with the solar developer that we would you know basically negotiate a lease

[3:17:25] agreement um you know negotiating good faith a you know a lease agreement um

[3:17:32] that you know that that would be that would be the long-term lease I mean

[3:17:37] So currently under the the lease option agreement they

[3:17:43] have they have until next um

[3:17:48] July to tell us you know whether they want to you know exercise that option

[3:17:55] and and and actually build that solar farm um so what they wanted to do is get

[3:18:02] more specific information I mean draft a lease that would lay out all of the

[3:18:09] details um you know in terms of what their rights are what our rights are you

[3:18:16] know and um you know what they can build you know and and so forth and so you

[3:18:23] know I went through and negotiated this full lease agreement

[3:18:29] with them and so basically what I've you know what has been presented to you

[3:18:37] is this you know this negotiated lease and so what this lease does is it you

[3:18:44] know it it sets up the you know all the terms and conditions that would apply

[3:18:49] you know and basically they they would have this 25y

[3:18:53] year lease and which could ultimately be extended out to 40

[3:18:58] years

[3:19:02] um but one key thing about this lease agreement is that it still keeps that

[3:19:09] July of 2025 time frame so it's essentially

[3:19:14] still giving the the solar company until next July

[3:19:21] to decide if they want to go longterm or if they just want to cancel

[3:19:28] the whole thing

[3:19:31] um does that does that make sense I I got a question since I guess I was part

[3:19:36] of this from up front I didn't know uh Casey when did all this come effect that

[3:19:42] I mean I knew there was a lease I knew these people had a lease with the

[3:19:45] original owner so did that lease just not carry over to

[3:19:49] us that that we had to honor that that agreement that lease option agreement

[3:19:55] Ian yeah until the terms of when it stops and there's yeah so the that's

[3:19:59] what he's talking about so I get that part but again

[3:20:05] when part no let me see how to phrase this

[3:20:09] why did they hold that hostage over our head when we bought this property that

[3:20:13] said y'all going to have to meet these requirements these renewal of the lease

[3:20:18] or or negotiate a lease agreement because the Franks hadn't done that

[3:20:23] again they just had a basic lease that said we might take y'all's property or

[3:20:27] we just inherited the lease and told them when that time comes when it's up

[3:20:30] we'll have a conversation with cuz I think that original lease made reference

[3:20:33] to the fact that we would in good faith have that conversation so so basically

[3:20:38] what you know so they the Franks that agreed about I don't know a year and a

[3:20:44] half before we bought the property two years whatever um they had signed

[3:20:50] this lease option agreement with this Solar Company and that lease option

[3:20:57] agreement goes with the property runs with the land so when we bought it you

[3:21:03] know we had to assume that obligation when we bought the property just

[3:21:08] probably a simple lease option agreement it is it's a lease option and and it has

[3:21:13] you know like a two or three page term sheet attached to the lease option

[3:21:19] rather than a full lease and so what what the Solar

[3:21:24] Company you know ask us to do as part of the when we assume the the

[3:21:31] lease um the lease I'm sorry when we assume the lease option agreement what

[3:21:37] they ask us to do is to negotiate a full lease with them just so that they ask us

[3:21:43] to do that but we have no legal obligation to do that at this point we

[3:21:47] declined as part of the purchase now I think that lease doesn't it say that we

[3:21:51] would in good faith have that conversation well it says yeah when so

[3:21:55] when we assumed the when we assumed the lease I mean we had to get part of the

[3:22:01] part of the deal that the Franks had was that the Solar Company had

[3:22:10] to um had to had to consent to to the sale right okay so we had so they so

[3:22:18] they had essentially leverage over us to an

[3:22:22] extent right and so what we said what we said was okay well we

[3:22:28] can't we're not going to guarantee anything but you know in order but we

[3:22:35] will agree with you that we will negotiate a lease in good faith and that

[3:22:40] that's that's what we that's what that's how we

[3:22:47] essentially got them to agree you know to you know to consent to the transfer

[3:22:54] so if you know so that I wasn't I would not have planned to negotiate a full

[3:23:01] lease if it had not been for that but they you know basically made that a

[3:23:06] condition of you know of giving their consent you

[3:23:11] know they said well we'll consent to the transfer if you agree to negotiate and

[3:23:16] go Faith a lease agre you know a full lease agreement

[3:23:20] so you know so after the property transaction closed I I went ahead

[3:23:28] negotiated this full lease agreement um which I think it's a you know I think

[3:23:34] it's a fair agreement you know and it's I think it's a good agreement that would

[3:23:39] um protect our interest going forward you know if they actually did decide to

[3:23:44] build the solar facility um you know and it does sort of preserve

[3:23:50] that option period that you know that they

[3:23:55] would have to make a decision by July of next year whether they're going to do it

[3:23:59] or not now there is I mean there is one um I think important factor that that

[3:24:08] you know that you should be aware of and this came up a little bit um in our

[3:24:14] discussion last time you know so if

[3:24:18] you you know they well first off you know even if we don't sign this lease

[3:24:26] now if they if they decide to exercise their

[3:24:31] option before July of next year you know we will be obligated to sign a lease

[3:24:39] with them so basically it would be agreeing to sign the lease now or or

[3:24:47] just waiting until July to sign to sign the lease agreement which I think we we

[3:24:53] could say well okay well we're just not going to sign the lease now but and

[3:24:58] we'll just punt it until next July I think that I don't

[3:25:02] think that would be bad faith to do that the SEC second point

[3:25:10] is um you know whether we sign a lease today

[3:25:16] or sign a lease next July the Solar Company is still going to

[3:25:23] have to go through you know the the zoning

[3:25:28] process um in order to build this solar facility um and the land is

[3:25:36] currently zoned I think it's what R RS and R2 R RS

[3:25:43] and ra2 I think the area where this is is

[3:25:48] ra2 and so what that so what that would mean is they would have to re in order

[3:25:54] to build a solar farm on this area they would have to request a special use

[3:26:00] permit and that special use special use permit for that

[3:26:05] area um for a solar farm would have to be granted by this

[3:26:12] board um quick question um again to me good faith effort whether we do it we

[3:26:18] knew when we bought the land we had a they had this option okay right so again

[3:26:23] to us what what I would be saying is in good faith if you come to me next July

[3:26:28] and want to do this then we'll go in good faith and and try to lease you to

[3:26:33] property sign that lease right at that point you know I mean or not sign it or

[3:26:37] not well no you'd have to sign we have to we have to negotiate is it written in

[3:26:43] that renewable well we just have I I mean if they

[3:26:49] exercise if they exercise the lease option then we are contractually

[3:26:57] obligated to sign a lease with them for for

[3:27:01] whatever what was that how much money uh I see something like a th000 bucks is it

[3:27:06] a th000 an acre I think it's $1,000 an acre per per year every year escalating

[3:27:12] at 10% every 5 years so 25,000 bucks so it's 25,000 a year

[3:27:20] um so you know the I mean the other option you know you can always I mean so

[3:27:27] you're contractually obligated to do it but on the other on the other hand you

[3:27:31] know I guess you could always breach the contract and say we're just we're just

[3:27:36] going to breach the contract and you can sue us for damages you know or you know

[3:27:42] sue us to try to force us to you know would this lease put us in any worse

[3:27:49] position than we in now I don't think it puts us in any

[3:27:54] worse position because we're still you know whether we sign this lease today or

[3:28:02] they exercise a lease you know we're going to have to

[3:28:06] negotiate a lease agreement unless we decide as I said unless we decide to

[3:28:12] just breach the agreement and say we're not going to you know we're not going to

[3:28:17] honor the agreement and I'm not I'm not sitting here telling you we should be

[3:28:20] breaching our our contracts but I'm saying that is that is a consideration

[3:28:25] in in any contract I and nobody saying contract is always an option nobody's

[3:28:30] saying we want to do that um but what I'm saying is if it don't put us in any

[3:28:34] worse position or if it don't put us any in any worse position to sign or or go

[3:28:40] into this lease agreement uh in July let's just wait till July when the guys

[3:28:46] can tell us whether they want the land or not you know and I get what you got

[3:28:50] you've been talking to these people and and you have comeing and so we got to

[3:28:54] lease okay but let's wait till July when you guys know whether y'all want to

[3:28:58] lease the land or not and if you do then we'll work in good faith effort to U

[3:29:03] right to lease you to land I mean we ain't talking but a few months down the

[3:29:06] road now you know I mean Christmas Is Almost Here so yeah I mean I think what

[3:29:11] their thought process is and I'm I'm not negotiating for them but I'm just I

[3:29:17] think what their thought process is is that they want to have a signed lease so

[3:29:23] that when they go to whatever bank or finance company to Grants to well to get

[3:29:31] you or or do Grant applications or whatever whoever they're planning to do

[3:29:36] their deals with I think they want to have you know assigned

[3:29:41] lease you know that they can take and you know and and present present to you

[3:29:47] know the bank or the finance company or the power company that they're planning

[3:29:52] to sell their power to and say hey here's this is the lease that would

[3:29:57] apply you know if we build this power you know if we build this power

[3:30:03] facility um so I mean one Middle Ground I mean one Middle Ground option here

[3:30:12] would be that instead of signing the lease today we

[3:30:19] could we could say that we will amend the option agreement to add the to add

[3:30:26] the negotiated lease as the attachment so that so that whenever they exercise

[3:30:32] the lease in July we do we we will agree that this is

[3:30:38] the contract we'll sign does that make sense so right so right now so in good

[3:30:43] faith we can ask way more than what they're willing to pay

[3:30:46] in good faith to to say this is our agreement if they deny what what our

[3:30:51] terms of the agreement is then we have disagreed Alto together but we've made a

[3:30:56] good faith to say okay if you want to do this then this is what we'll accept as a

[3:31:00] payment can we do that well so so right now what the what the lease option says

[3:31:08] is that you know there's like a there's like a three-page exhibit to this lease

[3:31:14] option and and that three-page exhibit tells us what the basic terms have to be

[3:31:20] including the price so what I what I'm suggesting is that got instead of the

[3:31:27] three-page you the three-page term sheet we just put we just delete the

[3:31:33] three-page term sheet and put the lease in as substitute the the draft lease

[3:31:39] agreement in as the exhibit to the contract and then you say well we're not

[3:31:46] signing the lease now but if you do decide to to exercise the option

[3:31:54] before July this is the this is the agreement that we will sign so you're

[3:32:00] basically giving them the certainty of knowing what they're

[3:32:06] getting ex you know so that they can kind of so they can have that

[3:32:11] certainty but we're not actually you know going so far as to sign the lease I

[3:32:17] mean I think that would be kind of a middle ground and that's I you know

[3:32:22] that's that's what I initially that's what I thought we I was doing with them

[3:32:28] when we started negotiating it I thought this was going to be a draft lease that

[3:32:33] would then be assign I mean that would then be attached to the option agreement

[3:32:38] and then you know but but then later you know they said well no

[3:32:45] that it's actually our intent to sign this lease immediately rather than

[3:32:50] attach it to the option agreement as an exhibit so I I don't you know I feel

[3:32:57] like it would be you know a decent Middle Ground to

[3:33:02] say well okay we'll you know we'll agree to amend

[3:33:08] the option agreement you know such that we all agree that we'll this is the form

[3:33:15] of the police that will sign if you exercise your

[3:33:19] option but again you know I that's not something you have to do I'm just

[3:33:24] suggesting that as a third as a what's what's your thought Casey we inherited a

[3:33:28] bad contract and it's got no way out and the only reason we didn't have to talk

[3:33:33] to him is because we had to give them first R refusal to buy the land so I

[3:33:38] think Adam's got him I mean he's right it's at a place where do you want to

[3:33:43] have his terms put in there as the exhibit for July

[3:33:46] given it I like the maybe the weight just then they may not want to maybe

[3:33:50] something changes between now and July I don't know where're I don't see

[3:33:55] we're giving a little more time would hurt anything at this

[3:33:58] point um giving who more time us more time to have that see if something H and

[3:34:04] them too I mean I don't know maybe there's something happens and they don't

[3:34:07] want to exercise it see they they got a whole lot of stuff to go through before

[3:34:10] they got to worry about going to the bank to get money or finance and you

[3:34:14] know first of all they got a a lot of lot of other stuff to go through so but

[3:34:18] I get it at that point U they want I don't say were more time sitting on this

[3:34:23] one would hurt at this point I mean that's what my thought process was a

[3:34:27] when was this when when did they do this agreement with the Franks what

[3:34:32] year well let's see so long time it would have been July of

[3:34:38] 2022 2022 runs through yeah so so it's a three-year

[3:34:44] threeyear option signed in July 2022 ending in July

[3:34:50] 2025 so they signed it you know I wish the Franks would have

[3:34:56] negotiate a little harder on this one you know they're taking it but I mean we

[3:35:00] took it knowing they're there right and we took it also knowing we make it get

[3:35:04] power from them in the future it's not like we didn't know going into this it's

[3:35:08] just it's not a I know how we are we don't like contracts where we're forced

[3:35:12] into positions that we really ain't got a whole lot of say over and and only

[3:35:15] thing I'm saying is you know to me now personally I'd be like when you know

[3:35:20] you're going to build it get with me and then we'll get to the Brass tax of the

[3:35:24] the lease you know when you know when you got your financing in place and that

[3:35:29] that's how I would work now again you may see this differently on this this

[3:35:34] item uh can I ask a question yeah go ahead do you this might be a silly

[3:35:41] question no silly questions in this room but um do you think it's

[3:35:46] it's about if we just give them what you're

[3:35:51] saying and not giving them all the details do you think they're wanting to

[3:35:55] see what the details are where we are and how much money we're they're going

[3:36:00] to have to pay us the money's already been a negotiator they already know that

[3:36:05] yeah so that that was already agreed on by the Frank it's not anything really

[3:36:09] new so that goes back to your point why why till next year

[3:36:16] yeah so the yeah so the basic business all the basic business terms are decided

[3:36:20] I mean okay we went through I mean it's decided in that term sheet what what we

[3:36:24] did was go through and make you know all the little day-to-day things that you

[3:36:31] need to have in a lease like how close can you build to the edge of the

[3:36:35] property well you know how you know what about you know coming across our

[3:36:40] property to get into their you know all those little details about you know

[3:36:46] um dayto day how's this lease going to work for 25 years you know so when when

[3:36:52] they sign this with the Franks they signed it and the and the Franks lease

[3:36:57] ends at 25 right well or they have an option to renew they have an option to R

[3:37:02] not to renew I guess they have an option to actually lease the property not renew

[3:37:06] the U so to extend I mean so so if they exercise so if we do enter into a lease

[3:37:11] with them they'll have I think it's 25 years I 25 or 30 but it's but longer

[3:37:18] than any of us are going to be here this is my question so the Franks have a way

[3:37:22] out of the lease we get in it and and we don't have a way out now we got a way

[3:37:28] out in 2025 if they don't exercise their option this is an option on the property

[3:37:33] so the fr the Frank never the Franks never had a way out so when so from the

[3:37:38] time that they signed that option agreement they were legally bound to

[3:37:45] sign a solar lease agreement with this company till 2025 till 2025 so they had

[3:37:51] a way out 2025 just wait them out that's that's the only that's the only way out

[3:37:55] so we don't have a way out either neither today and that's what I'm saying

[3:37:59] if we waited till 2025 and franks had that and they said nope and then we did

[3:38:04] that what would happen we wouldn't have a solar

[3:38:08] form they have a way out I think they've got the option to keep going from now to

[3:38:13] 2025 right I mean that's they according to them their plans is to build it out

[3:38:18] there soon what that means I don't I don't know but well right and I have no

[3:38:23] idea so they I mean so what they talked about is you know that that they've had

[3:38:28] actual interest from Energy United about buying the electricity from that from

[3:38:36] that solar facility even though 27 acres for a solar farm is

[3:38:41] pretty small I mean from what from what I've been

[3:38:45] hearing they want a lot bigger properties than that for solar Farms

[3:38:48] anymore but again I don't see why we can't wait till July if they decide they

[3:38:53] want they already know if you send them a copy of this and go look guys here's

[3:38:56] the copy this you know I ain't got it approved from the board yet but this is

[3:39:00] probably what I can get pushed through I guess that's why you wanting us to

[3:39:04] approve this so you can say my board approve this but right you could send it

[3:39:09] to them say here's all the things that I think we can do our managers looked it

[3:39:12] over the board don't want to deal with it till it's time to come yeah I don't

[3:39:15] even know we got to vote on it this or you guys got let's just do the common

[3:39:18] consent just let Adam have let them have it and we'll talk to them later on this

[3:39:22] summer and we've negotiate I mean this is this is fully negotiated I mean y'all

[3:39:27] seen it they've seen it they know what's in it right we've been back and forth

[3:39:30] and back and forth and back and forth and this is like this is what I would

[3:39:33] consider to be a final ready to sign lease right so you can send that to them

[3:39:38] say here's what the lease would look like more than likely I mean you know I

[3:39:41] think we can get this in front of the board when the time comes but they don't

[3:39:44] want to they don't want to do it now they don't want to do anything till the

[3:39:48] time comes to okay I agree with that right so you know again I

[3:39:55] guess is there room to have a conversation about if you want to now

[3:39:59] give up on something you got something okay

[3:40:02] [Music]

[3:40:08] um I mean I guess we can do

[3:40:12] that see what do a close s on property or something legal or something add a

[3:40:18] legal I mean I can just ask like like to talk what I just said back there a

[3:40:23] little bit we're going back there anyway for

[3:40:25] personnel I had a legal to close session attorney client

[3:40:31] the okay Mr chairman I make a motion that we had amend the agenda amend the

[3:40:36] agenda than all in favor any oppose okay do

[3:40:41] youall have anything or yall good no okay all right so enough on that

[3:40:48] umon home I'm looking here okay discussion of home uh yeah

[3:40:57] Consortium board of directors all remember we joined this um I think it's

[3:41:02] called the uh Eastern peont housing Consortium

[3:41:08] through through uh U ptrc last spring you know they came and talked to us

[3:41:13] about joining with Burlington being the head of the group all this item is

[3:41:16] essentially doing is as a five count region is asking for two members to join

[3:41:19] this board it can be a citizen it can be a county staff person a municipal person

[3:41:24] non-government members um Jason's been kind of the for right now they had a

[3:41:29] meeting recently with some of them and he kind of Def facto set in he and I

[3:41:33] don't mind doing it however you want to do it I just want to bring we need to se

[3:41:36] this with two people you getting any benefits from it Jason yeah the home

[3:41:40] Consortium what that is that's the home investment partnership program I think

[3:41:44] is what it's called the official term um that's monies that sent directly from

[3:41:49] HUD in the old days this was all run through the city of Greensboro um and

[3:41:54] Burlington in their population growth they've got into where they can actually

[3:41:59] start their own Consortium so everything runs through the city of Burlington this

[3:42:03] is for uh lowincome housing um um homeless things like that um they are

[3:42:12] doing when I worked with it before it was specifically individual homeowners

[3:42:18] now they're looking into bigger things like group housing uh things for

[3:42:22] homeless veterans that kind of stuff as well as um elderly disabled you know

[3:42:29] lowincome folks that are and what they defined by that is depending on your

[3:42:33] your metropolitan area uh which here would be Winston Salem it's 80% of that

[3:42:39] that household income so probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 45,000

[3:42:43] household income qualifies for it um it can be done a number of ways it

[3:42:48] can be set up as a grant they can be set up as a loan uh where that all runs

[3:42:54] through it would run through the city of Burlington's books so to speak um they

[3:42:58] would between partnering with ptrc they would have to record Deeds of trust in

[3:43:02] Davidson County that kind of thing but yeah I think there is benefit to it um

[3:43:07] and the purpose of the board of directors is to help identify potential

[3:43:12] projects in those areas I know the city of Thomasville was part of this

[3:43:17] Lexington did not get on board in time um they may end up being a partner in it

[3:43:23] at some point uh but there was a real tight window to get all this organized

[3:43:27] and they my understanding is they did not get on yet but I'm sure they're

[3:43:31] going to want to do that at some point CIA Thomasville is on it so they would

[3:43:35] have their my understanding from Michael Blair um they would have their own folks

[3:43:39] that are that that would be nominated on there by their city council um and then

[3:43:44] here like like Casey said it can be anybody

[3:43:48] you know it can be a commissioner it can be us um a lot of places will put their

[3:43:54] public housing authority people on it uh and things like that so or if you got a

[3:43:58] nonprofit to that you can appoint to it have we got money out of it or that I

[3:44:05] don't know the dollar amounts yet U that's part of what'll come in and I

[3:44:09] think it's I think it's going to be about $2 million now how they divvy that

[3:44:13] out between jur itions that's first project you got to have a

[3:44:18] project in your county and then they'll come to you and say we've identified

[3:44:21] this project the matches you work through because it you know the matches

[3:44:25] get covered sometimes other ways where the local jurisdiction don't have to put

[3:44:28] anything yeah there's no the we wouldn't have to put any we had that project

[3:44:31] identified yet um but yeah how they divvy the funds out um that's going to

[3:44:36] be part of that first rule first uh board of directors start to develop that

[3:44:41] how the the funds are going to be distributed so having every every body

[3:44:45] have equal voice on there is important I a having that

[3:44:51] um H folks on there' be a good person to put on there I don't know about the

[3:44:58] other but there it says in there that they're going to um head this thing up

[3:45:05] guide the Consortium so they somebody needs to know what they're doing in

[3:45:09] there I would think commiss mccl can you be a little more specific on who you

[3:45:13] talking about the are I don't know who those are I guess just some folks that

[3:45:18] works with the HUD over here on the board is that who

[3:45:21] you um and I I know him but I don't think he's worked as with us on the

[3:45:28] board okay he's somebody local yeah okay yeah he's been he been very active in in

[3:45:35] the home industry and trying to uh further that with the organization here

[3:45:40] L uh low heal that guy that me and you talked to out there at the um

[3:45:46] oh you know the the the younger guy the dark-headed guy we stood out there and

[3:45:51] talked to at the uh card I've got it at home County city day or whatever it was

[3:45:57] in Thomasville state of the County uh oh um gosh what was his name I remember who

[3:46:04] you're talking about cuz the three of us spoke we talked to him that day in the

[3:46:07] parking lot he would be good that yeah cuz he was tied in with

[3:46:12] veterans group too that would be a perfect person to put on

[3:46:15] so why don't y'all for now do your thing and go try to reach that person whatever

[3:46:21] his name is I I may have his card still at home somewhere Jason yeah I may still

[3:46:25] have it too I at home I'll look that's one Mr M commissioner MCL if you can let

[3:46:31] us you remember the gentleman's name I'll get it okay let us know that be

[3:46:35] first name Jeff I just can't pull his name out okay that'd be two right there

[3:46:39] I I'll get it okay well we can handle it till we get these two guys CU they may

[3:46:43] say we can't I can't do motion or just cons no just we'll call and find out

[3:46:48] Community Development this is stuff I'm very familiar with so I mean I'm more

[3:46:52] than happy to go and and and see what the deal is and then if it looks like

[3:46:56] it's something that ain't going to be it's kind of I hate to say it like the

[3:46:59] npos that some of us are a member of Davidson County hardly never gets

[3:47:03] nothing it's just nothing yeah the way and the way the old Consortium was with

[3:47:08] Greensboro the the way they divvied the funds up it caused a lot of heartburn

[3:47:12] with people um so if it get begins to be something like that we need to not waste

[3:47:16] our people's time and just roll on you know just off the surface of how he

[3:47:20] explained they're they're going to be doing this it makes a lot more sense so

[3:47:25] than the way greensbor did it all right so I'm hopeful all right uh approval of

[3:47:30] amendment to purchase and sell agreement with

[3:47:33] step lot five the PSA for lot five the gentleman one's out there at the

[3:47:38] business park we need to push that back they're just now getting the PSA signed

[3:47:41] and brought to us so you can see the new closing date would be um no later than

[3:47:46] the end of this month actually and I can update Casey on that too I we're looking

[3:47:51] at a closing date of next week okay most likely the gentleman is trying to get

[3:47:56] here uh into the country to be able to to do that I mean as far as I'm

[3:47:59] concerned do you need a motion for that one yeah I think just so that we can

[3:48:04] line that up I'd make a motion that we uh give them permission to do this

[3:48:09] purchase sale agreement till 1231 2024 second that's to the end of

[3:48:15] the year and that way the end of the year that way it ain't got to

[3:48:19] comeback all in favor any opposed we then can't we answer yeah nothing

[3:48:27] happens uh hopefully y'all have it I just all right uh DSS social work uh pay

[3:48:34] discussion yes sir um one more quick come on up Trish this is Trish even

[3:48:41] though I think this is very relatively clear what you see this is something I

[3:48:44] ask Casey to look into here me and Karen did just uh you know y'all know we've

[3:48:50] really struggling with employees with DSS

[3:48:58] and my stomach's going to gurgle in a minute uh oh 12 it's

[3:49:04] 12:35 you sit under that fake clock back

[3:49:12] there you hit the nail on the the head Mr chairman struggling with employees

[3:49:17] retention in child welfare and permanency planning so one of the

[3:49:20] reasons why you know we were talking about the partners deal earlier getting

[3:49:24] some help in those areas what you got here is those jobs to the left those

[3:49:28] types of jobs that are in those areas what we pay now on minimums um and to

[3:49:34] the right you can see your competitors Tim's colored in green every job in that

[3:49:39] column who's the best far as the mimo and you can see Rowan is as we've all

[3:49:44] known in this room for quite some time very aggressive on starting pays for

[3:49:48] these jobs if you would like to join our number to their number if you go down to

[3:49:54] the bottom it's essentially moving

[3:49:59] 8% and then the people in the jobs what you know you'd obviously need to move

[3:50:03] some of them too the live bodies Tim has two options for you if you'd like to

[3:50:06] move them five it cost 26 that counts reimbursement you got to remember these

[3:50:11] jobs are some of the I hate to say it this way I don't mean disrespect but

[3:50:15] cheaper jobs to do these types of things in the county because you get

[3:50:18] reimbursement from the government option two is if you want to keep that spread

[3:50:22] of the existing employees at the same percentage eight it UPS at to 269 so

[3:50:27] that's basically what you have before you here is the you can see your vacancy

[3:50:32] rates it has moved up another 10 points you see in 2022 Tim didn't get them

[3:50:36] refreshed because we brought this before you guys before you see with your eyes

[3:50:39] going across the bottom there a lot of people at 30% 40% Etc

[3:50:45] we were at 27 back in 2022 we've moved up another 10 points to 37 Mr chairman

[3:50:51] and Madame uh commissioner I'm going to agree with what y'all do y'all are on

[3:50:56] this board and I know y'all have dealt with a big bunch of problems right here

[3:51:00] so whatever y'all feel good with I agree with they're just not getting any better

[3:51:05] yeah they're just not getting any better so Trish it'll make it'll bring one

[3:51:10] we'll start at top 41365 it'll bring that one to 44

[3:51:15] 464 so actually about 5 600 bucks more than Rowan

[3:51:20] okay um so you've looked at these numbers I have Tim Tim and I looked at

[3:51:26] these numbers um I feel like this will be a good start I know though as soon as

[3:51:32] you do this I mean Rowan's already questioning us about our pay so it's a

[3:51:38] continual thing because we're all struggling you know I've said this

[3:51:41] before everybody's we're stealing from each other because the pool is small

[3:51:46] what I think this will do is allow us to get some experience because we're now

[3:51:52] paying at least what the really close ones are paying and we're struggling to

[3:52:00] get that experience and that's what's killing us because it's taking three and

[3:52:04] six months to get everybody through pre-service I just had a young lady that

[3:52:10] started she was ready to finish free service she broke her foot but and now

[3:52:15] we're looking at January you know something happens life happens and then

[3:52:20] it just delays so we're in a constant battle with that and then add the

[3:52:25] increased complexity of cases we need some folks with experience I think this

[3:52:29] will push us up there and be able to say hey we're a good paay and coming in the

[3:52:35] door that will help and then our existing staff to give them an extra

[3:52:38] boost because they've been here with us so we we think this is I don't know if

[3:52:44] it will the end all but we've done some other things like add some of the

[3:52:48] assistant positions this um uh daymart position that we're hopefully going to

[3:52:54] have rolled out I think when we start building all these things together we

[3:52:59] start building a package that will help well then you can't say anymore that

[3:53:03] everybody else is paying more money than we are cuz they're not that's right you

[3:53:07] know I mean I've heard I've heard that for a couple years well foresight's pay

[3:53:11] in and guilford's paying with mve up huh they just the other counties are just

[3:53:16] moov well that's true but I I don't know that they react that fast they may but

[3:53:21] you know and again I don't know that this is going to be a big drawing card

[3:53:24] other than keeping the employees we got happy you know yeah well I do think when

[3:53:29] you can post you know when if somebody's just looking at just raw numbers and

[3:53:34] they see the well it's not going to hurt yeah I I agree with that but again you

[3:53:40] know and it it keeps your employees that's here going well you know I can go

[3:53:44] over there make another four grand a year they don't understand it cost them

[3:53:48] that much probably to drive that far whatever but Mr chairman if I may we

[3:53:52] have sit here countless times and listen to tration and and I'm I'm I'm not being

[3:53:58] disrespectful we've heard and Hur this is a problem we're not going to be able

[3:54:03] to fix I don't think unless we do this and I would like to make a motion that

[3:54:06] we give with option two okay second that I have a motion and

[3:54:11] a second all in favor I any osed good luck Trish thank you so what he saying

[3:54:18] there Trish he don't want to see you back up here for that didn't Den nice

[3:54:22] that's not that's not what I said I'm not a liar so I'm not your promis that's

[3:54:26] not what I said you know me Trish that's not what I

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[4:43:31] to return in CL from Clos session motion we have a second second all in favor I

[4:43:36] any opposed Mr attorney could you please give us a brief update yes we had a um

[4:43:41] closed session and we discussed one Personnel issue and one real estate

[4:43:46] issue and staff were given instructions on um on both matters that's

[4:43:51] it close session

Davidson County Commissioners Meeting November 7, 2024

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