[0:04] all right let's call this meeting to order trustee heading will you lead us

[0:07] in the pledge yes thank you everyone can stand up

[0:15] the please states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation

[0:21] under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all

[0:31] thank you

[0:33] this evening we have three items under the fiscal officer and that one first

[0:38] one is the purchase orders and the amount of 59

[0:42] and 473 dollars

[0:45] with various departments the next one is the payment by

[0:50] resolution and that's resolution 2021-45

[0:55] and it is for one item out of various departments and the last one

[1:01] is for supplemental appropriations primarily around the cruise list

[1:08] largest one there is for the kingsmill area

[1:12] for the streets um

[1:15] there's any questions happy to take them i have not

[1:20] i haven't remember anyone

[1:22] is very emotion freely for disorders i'll make a motion to approve the

[1:26] purchase orders as presented second you got a much fun mr cisciano and second by

[1:31] miss heading to approve the purchase orders as presented

[1:35] yes yes

[1:37] yes and then is there a motion for

[1:40] resolution 2021-45 i will go ahead and make a motion to

[1:45] approve resolution 2021-45 second you got a motion system on a

[1:50] second line of statement number 2021

[2:05] and is there a motion for our next resolution

[2:21] the resolution improving supplemental appropriations for 2021 dispensing with

[2:26] the second reading candidate during the emergency room

[2:29] yes

[2:32] yes thank you board

[2:34] thank you are there any items to be removed from the cassette and don't know

[2:40] i have none do i have emotions

[2:43] i don't have a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented second good

[2:47] motion by mr ceciliano

[2:57] all right thank you and that brings us down to our

[3:02] public hearing that we have we continued hearing progress from last time so we're

[3:06] going to uh first i'll make a motion to

[3:10] reopen the public area in progress

[3:14] second we've got a motion blind

[3:20] [Music]

[3:27] yes okay and so how this is going to go is

[3:31] we're going to have a quick uh type is going to give us a summary of the

[3:35] powerpoint that she showed last time not the full thing but just the

[3:38] highlights since we were all here last time and

[3:42] then we're going to open it up for the public well

[3:46] the developer going to yeah so then you guys can speak and then we'll open up

[3:50] the public comment for everyone here who's born against the development if

[3:55] everyone who is going to speak tonight would be willing to stand up against

[3:58] sworn in now you can do that thanks

[4:02] and then i'll just swear everyone in and just a reminder for those that perhaps

[4:06] weren't here the last time when it does come your turn to speak if you would do

[4:09] so from the podium and then just provide your name give your address and confirm

[4:13] the fact that you've been sworn in my apologies in advance and inevitably

[4:16] someone forgets and i really interrupt you to get that but with that said go

[4:21] ahead do you solemnly swear affirm that the

[4:23] testimony you were about to give will be true and accurate to the best of your

[4:26] knowledge of belief i do and then one other point i'll also make

[4:30] is if you feel free to sit um it's like church where you forget to

[4:34] tell the people to sit down um we have all the

[4:38] sign-in sheets for everyone that submitted one um

[4:50] if you submitted one last time

[5:01] just a minute our batteries died

[5:31] as you guys all heard this is a continue in progress case that's public hearing

[5:36] from the trustees meeting that took place on august 3rd

[5:41] and this case in front of you tonight again

[5:46] case 2021-85

[5:49] and this case and staff report was presented in

[5:54] its entirety and all we serve and today just a summary to what was presented at

[6:00] that meeting and the applicant is silverman company

[6:04] and the property owner is charlie and bonnie lawson and total across is

[6:11] 17.581 and the property is located at 6810

[6:17] tylersville road and is currently zoned residential single family the

[6:21] application today is a request to result into neighborhood

[6:26] business plant unit development

[6:32] the applicant is proposing uh the 196th attacher

[6:38] detached the residential uh multi-family building

[6:43] and three commercial lot within with an intensity of 17

[6:50] dwelling unit per acre uh three commercial loft

[6:56] along uh tyler's delivered multi-family and commercial nine

[7:00] building for a two house hundred ninety six dwelling unit

[7:05] two-story apartment not to exceed 35 feet in height and it is mixed of one

[7:13] bedroom [Music]

[7:15] unit and two bedroom density is a proposed as a

[7:20] growth density as the applicant calculated

[7:25] growth as we stated it is the entire acreage of the land uh while

[7:31] uh different townships only resolution required net density which deducts 35

[7:37] percent for infrastructure roads and easement

[7:42] including 20 percent green open space

[7:48] uh the main access to the development is uh of tylersville road there will be

[7:54] stop to the property to the west and there is an emergency exit

[7:59] at the corner of sunderly and sunny drive

[8:05] sidewalk are proposed around the development and along the years below

[8:10] a deerfield township require two parking space per unit and it's provided with a

[8:15] total of 392

[8:19] parking spaces and it is uh distributed in garages and surface

[8:25] spaces tandem garage and 20 detached garage tool

[8:30] to the north

[8:35] let's keep on buffering 20

[8:39] green open space is required and um

[8:44] 38.5 is provided and the same 25 of the 20 supposedly to be active and

[8:52] they are providing 48 and for uh active open space

[8:58] landscape buffering a 70 foot landscape buffer is proposed along nano

[9:06] side about engrossment south residential single family with six foot privacy fans

[9:12] will be placed on the peak under of the

[9:17] amount the buffer with amount of

[9:22] six feet so it will totally will be nine foot uh

[9:27] above existing ground and this is a

[9:31] section of how would be demand with the fans

[9:36] and the distance from the residential first residence to resident to the

[9:43] north and that

[9:46] until it get to the first building will be over 104 feet

[9:54] the neighbor went with the development and requested a buffer along the

[9:59] building 9 and was provided to protect this residential single family that was

[10:05] recently built in in february

[10:09] there are two retention pounds proposed one to the northwest and one to the

[10:14] south east and

[10:17] the buffers stop here but there is a fence

[10:21] provided along this section of the pump to the nose and i stated the

[10:28] access on sunbury and sunny drive is for emergency use only

[10:36] the elevation two-story not to exceed 35 feet which is required for residential

[10:42] single family to keep the the character of the area as

[10:48] a residential farmhouse sky

[10:54] the board is to debate and discuss this uh

[10:58] proposed development in light of deerfield township comprehensive plan uh

[11:04] looking at adjacent land use in the surrounding

[11:09] if there is an any unique feature and correct

[11:12] characteristic of the land and the quality and character of the

[11:18] proposed open space from planning perspective this

[11:24] development was designed sensitively to meet

[11:27] requirement as stated in the pud requirement for the preliminary site

[11:32] plan in deerfield township zoning resolution

[11:38] and board action there are 18 conditions

[11:43] um as proposed in the staff report that was provided to you

[11:50] that's concluded the presentation sam hell is here and myself will try to

[11:55] answer any question you may have

[11:59] thank you questions that i do actually um so there

[12:04] was a little confusion the past couple of meetings about on the staff report

[12:08] page 14. might you have that my class yes

[12:19] on page 14 in the first paragraph where it says most of those uses are permitted

[12:25] either by right or by specific standards in the neighborhood business district

[12:29] except for the multi-family do you have the same page i have yes i

[12:35] do can you maybe expand on what that means

[12:38] i've seen a lot of confusion around that statement that's a legitimate confusion

[12:43] yes absolutely i have seen it's typo you think it's a type of absolutely okay

[12:50] assam do you agree

[12:56] multi-family multi-family is permitted

[13:00] with the condition that it's above

[13:03] commercial so that's why that statement is in there

[13:07] so it has to be under straight zoning it has to be

[13:12] above the first level of commercial so commercials on tylersville directly

[13:16] behind would be multi-family that's what you're saying

[13:21] no so if it was a straight neighborhood business zone it would have

[13:25] to be like a first level store second level three level the only way you can

[13:30] the only way residential is permitted with commercials would be

[13:36] you know stacking essentially yeah so a mixed-use building is what you would

[13:41] have to have under straight zone

[13:44] and there's a percentage that is capped for

[13:49] the residential component of any type of mixed use

[13:53] development based on

[13:56] the overall square footage of the buildings

[14:03] when the confusion comes that we went right to page 14 yes it's in confusion

[14:08] but if you go back to page 13 when it was it's explained that the current

[14:14] proposed use is for a horizontal um

[14:19] of mixed use horizontal which means not like what's required like the first

[14:25] floor commercial and multi-family on top or residential anchor

[14:30] okay

[14:34] yes sorry that's why i want to pay and the whole thing makes sense

[14:40] thank you

[14:44] okay and then do we have representatives from silverman

[14:48] yes thank you my name is ryan silverman vice president

[14:52] of silverman company and i have been sworn in

[15:09] so you can

[15:25] thank you good evening everybody uh before i get started i'd just like to

[15:29] take a few moments to

[15:33] uh introduce some other members of our team

[15:35] we have house silverman president of silverman company with us tonight tim

[15:39] burgoyne is our director of site acquisition and development we have

[15:43] michael den with market foresight michael's one of the

[15:46] country's premier experts in housing demand analysis

[15:51] demand forecasting for housing and feasibility

[15:54] you'll be hearing from michael a bit later in our presentation we also have

[15:58] john del verne and alex bash with fairbacker

[16:01] engineers and we'll be hearing from them a bit later as well

[16:08] we're excited to be before you this evening to present our preliminary

[16:11] development plan and request for stage one zoning map amendment to allow for

[16:15] new horizontally integrated mixed-use development in deerfield township

[16:20] proposed plan incorporates a mix of commercial residential uses

[16:25] into a cohesive plan that will feature

[16:28] pedestrian-friendly infrastructure and plentiful open space

[16:33] as we will demonstrate this evening the proposed site plan is consistent with

[16:37] several the development guidelines and goals stated in the deerfield township

[16:41] comprehensive plan vision for 2035. we'll make mention of these

[16:45] consistencies throughout our presentation

[16:48] deerfield township is currently in the process of updating its comprehensive

[16:51] plan via the becoming deerfield initiative

[16:54] the becoming deerfield initiative's proposed landing's designation for this

[16:57] particular site is area b2 which recommends a mix of uses that will

[17:01] provide for gradual transition from tylersville road to the residential

[17:06] subdivision to the north known as rosemont cell

[17:10] as illustrated on our site plan the proposed development as mixed use in

[17:14] nature provides for gradual step down and use intensity incorporates sound

[17:19] planning principles and demonstrates consistency with the

[17:22] current pattern of development that's occurred along this portion of the

[17:26] tylersville road corridor as you will see the commercial component

[17:31] of our site is located along tylersville road which is a major thoroughfare

[17:37] essentially connecting i-71 with i-75 so we're proposing three commercial

[17:43] buildings with a mix of uses that could consist of retail

[17:48] restaurant office space and some medical uses as

[17:52] well we also have the clubhouse building for

[17:55] the apartment community that will sit north of the commercial uses along

[17:59] tylersville road as well the clubhouse will feature

[18:03] a slew of amenities that we'll touch on later as well as leasing and management

[18:07] offices the primary point of access for this

[18:11] development will be via a signalized access point at tylersville

[18:16] road and fireside drive and then as haifa mentioned in her staff

[18:20] report the

[18:22] warren county engineer's office is requiring we provide a

[18:27] gated access point from this site to thornberry court a gated access will be

[18:32] for emergency services vehicles only

[18:38] as i mentioned the commercial uses as we head north will step down and

[18:43] transition and transition to two-story multi-family buildings in the middle of

[18:48] the site and then further transition to a very

[18:51] robust landscape buffer with mounting and a privacy fence

[18:56] near the northern border of the site a landscaped mount will be approximately

[19:00] 70 feet wide and approximately nine feet in height

[19:03] with a six foot high privacy fence being installed on top of the mount

[19:09] the proposed landscape mound is consistent with the transition section

[19:13] of the vision for 2035 comprehensive plan which states that landscape buffers

[19:18] fences and or walls should be used between

[19:20] adjacent developments of different land uses

[19:27] i mentioned earlier about the the

[19:31] vehicular accessibility i wanted to touch on the robust network of

[19:36] pedestrian infrastructure we're proposing to install throughout this

[19:39] development as you can see we have sidewalks

[19:44] throughout the entire development to promote

[19:46] pedestrian walkability from for the residents here

[19:53] and to access various uses throughout the

[19:57] residential component and also to be able to access the commercial buildings

[20:01] along tylersville and also get access to the sidewalk system that we will tie

[20:07] into that's already installed along portions of tylersville road

[20:12] the foregoing will promote walkability and is consistent with the circulations

[20:16] and connections guidelines within the vision for 2030

[20:19] 2035 comprehensive plan which says the vehicular pedestrian

[20:23] connectivity should be provided between existing and new developments to avoid

[20:27] creation of isolated islands of development

[20:30] initially um

[20:34] you know there were there was talk about connecting here uh the red that was a

[20:38] concern of the residents which we'll touch on later and the warren county

[20:42] engineer uh the warren county engineer's office

[20:45] simply said just that we can gate it off and make it

[20:48] emergency access only in terms of storm water management we'll

[20:52] have detention basins in both the southeast and northwest corners of the

[20:56] site here's a detention pond

[20:59] at the southeast corner of the site and another smaller one at the northwest

[21:03] corner of the site the detention basin at the southeast

[21:07] corner of the site will have a walking trail around it that will tie into the

[21:10] rest of our pedestrian sidewalk

[21:14] system we have provided for a very generous amount of open space on the

[21:19] site the deerfield township ped zoning

[21:22] regulations require 20 percent of open space with 25 percent of that open space

[21:27] being designated is active in terms of total open space on our

[21:31] proposed plan we're far exceeding what is required is

[21:34] we have provided total open space of approximately

[21:39] 6.76 acres which is equal to 38.5 percent uh total open space

[21:46] which which is significantly higher than the 20 percent requirement with 3.235

[21:51] acres of that uh being designated as

[21:54] active open space which is equal to 48 um

[21:59] of the total open space being designated as active which is significantly higher

[22:03] than the 25 percent requirement in the zoning

[22:07] code the mis the mixed use nature of the

[22:10] proposed development the overall site design and the plentiful open space

[22:14] provided are all consistent with goal numbers three and five contained within

[22:18] the vision for 2035 plan goal number three is identified as township identity

[22:23] and states promote mixed use plan development through community character

[22:27] and land-use guidelines and the zoning resolution to create neighborhoods with

[22:31] distinct identities goal number five is title parts and open

[22:35] space suggests suggests to promote the retention of

[22:39] open space which can be used for active and passive purposes and the private

[22:43] development process the site layout and as you will see next the architecture

[22:48] will both serve to create a unique sense of place with plentiful green space and

[22:52] walkability

[22:55] our vision for the multi-family component of the site

[22:59] is to create an architectural design that mimics high-end single-family homes

[23:03] currently seen in the region

[23:06] we're proposing what's known as a farmhouse style aesthetic that is that

[23:09] is inspired by current upscale single-family home designs

[23:13] examples of this style can be found throughout deerfield township including

[23:17] several examples from the kensington subdivision which hosted home in 2019.

[23:23] next you fought the the next few slides just showed some

[23:26] examples of farmhouse architecture within single-family home product that

[23:33] served as the inspiration

[23:36] for the design that we came up with for the multi-family buildings on our parcel

[23:40] so there's an actual

[23:43] elevation of what we're proposing for the

[23:47] multi-family component the high quality architecture is

[23:50] consistent with the guideline within the vision for 2035 comp plan that states

[23:55] development should re-analyze building materials and other similar features to

[23:58] ensure the projects function efficiently and effectively

[24:02] as you can see the buildings exhibit a far farmhouse style of architecture

[24:06] our two stories in haydn have pitched roots they were designed to mimic the

[24:10] look of a single family home we plan on incorporating two to three

[24:14] different color schemes in order to create an appropriate architectural

[24:17] rhythm throughout the site and there's

[24:20] a few slides that show some of the proposed color combinations

[24:27] the proposed architectural styling

[24:36] is consistent with the transitions guideline contained in the vision for

[24:39] 2035 comprehensive plan which states that infill new redevelopment projects

[24:44] should be compatible with existing or planned adjacent land uses in terms of

[24:49] size height scale materials and design elements

[24:53] the image currently on the screen is actually a photorealistic digital

[24:57] image that was

[25:01] super this

[25:03] the these are real wireframe models of our architectural drawings that were

[25:08] then superimposed on drone aerial photography

[25:12] so you could really get a sense for what this development is going to look like

[25:16] in in in the real world not just on a flat

[25:19] elevation drawing i think this rendering

[25:22] while it's a little bit outdated because this is from the original site plan that

[25:27] we submitted back in early in the year which shows 30 town

[25:32] homes along the northern property line which we'll talk about

[25:36] later we've actually eliminated those to create a larger buffer but i think if

[25:40] you look at the middle of the site and the commercial uses along

[25:45] tylersville they blend in very well with the existing uses

[25:49] the buildings are two stories in height have pitched roofs

[25:53] which are similar to the single-family homes

[25:56] located to the north and then the commercial buildings are very similar to

[26:00] the commercial uses that you see along tylersville road

[26:04] both east and west of this site

[26:09] uh as i mentioned we have made some changes to the site plan which we'll

[26:12] summarize later but i'd like to point out that while

[26:16] this image includes conceptual architectural renderings for the

[26:19] commercial portion of the site we would bring in actual

[26:25] commercial renderings um or actual renderings for the commercial uses at

[26:29] the stage two um at the stage two you know for for

[26:34] stage two's any commission approval while for multi-family we can develop

[26:39] elevations and we know exactly who our target market is with commercial uses

[26:43] it's it's different because often uh the design of a of a commercial

[26:49] building is user driven it's market driven so

[26:52] these are just conceptual what the buildings could look like but ultimately

[26:56] the users that would be attracted to the site will have some influence on on

[27:03] the architectural aesthetic of these buildings

[27:07] the nature of commercial development as i mentioned

[27:11] is user driven we're already seeing significant interest from commercial

[27:16] uses for this location and we're very confident that the commercial space

[27:20] we're proposing on tylersville road will fill very quickly given the site's

[27:24] visibility along tylersville convenient access and pedestrian-friendly mixed-use

[27:29] design that will

[27:32] that will allow for pedestrian access and the signalized

[27:37] access point on tylersville road will allow for very easy and convenient

[27:41] vehicular access

[27:44] the apartment homes you're proposing on the site will be designed to appeal to

[27:48] both working professionals and empty nesters who are renters by choice and

[27:52] demand a maintenance free lifestyle that apartment living provides

[28:00] our plans call for a mix of both one and two bedroom floor plans the one bedroom

[28:04] floor plans will generally range in size from 775 to 930 square feet with a rent

[28:10] range of twelve fifty to fourteen hundred dollars a month all the two

[28:13] bedroom floor plans which will all the two veteran floor plans also have two

[28:17] full bathrooms those generally would range in size from eleven hundred and

[28:21] thirty to twelve hundred fifty square feet with a rent range of a pro of

[28:25] approximately sixteen seventy five to eighteen

[28:28] fifty per month we've developed two other high-end apartment communities in

[28:32] deerfield township over the last few years we've found that empty nesters

[28:36] find our two-bedroom floor plans very attractive we expect similar demand

[28:39] levels from empty nesters at this community which is consistent with goal

[28:43] number seven of the vision for 2035 plan called housing quality and diversity

[28:48] goal number seven states that new development should promote

[28:52] housing types that are attractive for older adults and close proximity to

[28:56] groceries retail and healthcare facilities to increase mobility options

[29:00] outside of auto dependency the residential component of this

[29:04] development will provide an attractive housing alternative crafty nesters who

[29:08] are renters by choice and wish to downsize into a housing choice that is

[29:12] 100 percent maintenance-free the pedestrian infrastructure that we

[29:17] that will be provided within our development will connect to adjacent

[29:20] pedestrian infrastructure will provide walkability to retail restaurant and

[29:25] several healthcare uses including a pharmacy

[29:30] each apartment home will feature 9-foot ceilings throughout quartz or granite

[29:34] countertops in every kitchen and bathroom stainless steel appliances led

[29:38] lighting washers and dryers many many apartment communities only come

[29:44] equipped with the hookups but we actually provide a full size

[29:47] washer and dryer in every every home within our

[29:51] communities the apartment community will be fully

[29:54] amenitized and professionally managed with a clubhouse that will feature

[29:57] on-site leasing and management offices a resident lounge

[30:01] game room co-working space conference room

[30:04] state-of-the-art fitness center pet spa complimentary wi-fi and coffee bar

[30:11] some of the outdoor amenities that will be included throughout the site

[30:14] are the aforementioned a robust amount of

[30:17] green space a dog park resort style pool fire pit gaming lawn

[30:22] and outdoor gathering spaces

[30:27] it's one thing to tell you how nice the residential component of the proposed

[30:30] development will be but we'd like to show you some pictures from two other

[30:34] high-end apartment communities that we've developed in deerfield township

[30:36] over the past few years i'm confident these photos will

[30:40] effectively illustrate the high quality development we're proposing to build on

[30:44] this site in each case we took architectural cues

[30:47] from surrounding development to arrive at an appropriate architectural

[30:50] treatment so all the exterior architectural styling of these two

[30:54] communities is very different than what we're proposing on tylersville road the

[30:58] interior finishes floor plans and amenities at the proposed

[31:02] development will be very similar to those found at these other communities

[31:05] this first photo on the screen is one of our buildings at one deerfield

[31:10] you can see it's a different style what we're proposing at tylersville but this

[31:14] this blends in with some of the buildings located in close

[31:18] proximity some of the use is located in close proximity to one deerfield

[31:23] i'll flip through these quickly that's that's uh that's a photo of our

[31:27] leasing lounge and leasing lobby at one deerfield

[31:31] there's a photo of the resident lounge space game room

[31:36] that's our library which which we call our co-working space our library it's

[31:41] great space for residents to work and collaborate

[31:46] leveraging off of our high speed complementary wi-fi and powerful usb

[31:50] ports throughout that space there's a photo of the main lobby of the

[31:55] building here's a photo of some of our outdoor

[31:58] amenities that's our wine and beer garden at one deerfield

[32:02] this is our fitness center lounge so our fitness center actually has its own

[32:06] lounge where we provide complimentary bottles of water and juices for our

[32:11] residents there's our fitness center

[32:15] it's a very typical kitchen in one deerfield you can see the quartz

[32:20] countertops 42 inch wall cabinets high end led pendant lighting

[32:26] this is a typical master bedroom one of our two bedroom units all of our two

[32:30] bedroom units come with a double bowl master vanity which is a really nice

[32:35] feature all of our bedroom sizes are

[32:39] are generous and allow for

[32:42] king-sized beds it's not a very exciting photo but shows

[32:46] just the very generous amount of closet space that we

[32:50] provide in our bedrooms closet space is actually

[32:53] very very important although not not too

[32:56] exciting it's something that's very important to to

[33:00] our residents it's a photo of a laundry room these next slides that are that's

[33:05] an exterior photo of the grandstone grandstone once again is in a different

[33:10] part of the township we took cues from the surroundings to arrive at an

[33:15] appropriate architectural treatment this is much more traditional than what we're

[33:20] proposing at tylersville road there's a photo of our pool it's great

[33:24] great space that our residents love there's a photo of a dog park a resident

[33:29] lounge at the grandstone this is green space courtyard between

[33:35] two of the buildings at the grandstones it's a great space for residents to

[33:38] relax socialize hang out

[33:43] throughout this process we have

[33:48] listened to many concerns from neighbors

[33:52] um we reached out to the rosemont south

[33:57] homeowners association in march to schedule a

[34:00] really in a formal for unfortunately we couldn't do it in a

[34:03] face-to-face fashion was done via zoom on march 29th

[34:07] and we invited you know kind of uh gave a brief overview of what we're proposing

[34:12] and invited residents of rosemont south or any other

[34:16] nearby subdivisions to to ask us questions

[34:20] we also heard additional concerns from residents that were voiced during the

[34:26] three zoning commission meetings one of the

[34:30] first concerns we heard was traffic i'd like to point out that we've engaged

[34:33] bearer vector engineers to complete a traffic impact study a traffic impact

[34:37] study has been completed and submitted to the warren county

[34:42] engineer's office it's been reviewed and approved by the warren county engineers

[34:46] office and we as the applicant would be

[34:48] required to make any traffic improvements

[34:51] per warren county engineer's office requirements

[34:56] it's also important to note that apartments do generate less peak

[35:01] impact the retail restaurant or office space

[35:08] another neighbor concern that we heard initially with schools

[35:12] it's important to note that the proposed departments will be very similar

[35:16] although wrapped up in a different package they'll be very similar to what

[35:20] we've built at the grand student one deerfield

[35:23] both of those communities as well as this community are designed to appeal

[35:27] to ranchers by choice who are typically working professionals or empty nesters

[35:34] so we find that the impact of schools from the grand stone

[35:38] and one deerfield has been very minimal as further illustrated by this slide the

[35:43] urban land institute in conjunction with the national multi

[35:47] housing council and the sierra club along with the american institute of

[35:52] architects published a study called high density development myth in fact the

[35:57] study concluded that single-family homes averaged 64 children per 100 units while

[36:03] apartments averaged 21 children per 100 units apartments generate real estate

[36:08] tax revenue for local school districts while generating very little additional

[36:12] demand on schools this evidence is further supported by

[36:16] the fact that very few children live at the grandstand in one deerfield both

[36:19] communities have rates of children per 100 units that are significantly below

[36:24] the national averages reported so the grandstone

[36:28] uh at last check was was just under seven

[36:31] per 100 units and one deer field was only at approximately 2.91

[36:37] children per 100 units so these these two

[36:40] developments generate significant amount of tax

[36:43] revenue for local schools without without providing much in the way of any

[36:47] additional burden another neighbor concern we heard was

[36:51] property values there's another study that was

[36:54] commissioned by the national association of home builders that found

[36:57] the value of single-family homes within 300 feet of a multi-family community

[37:02] increased 2.9 percent per year compared with value single-family homes

[37:06] not near a multi-family community increasing at only 2.7 per year

[37:12] the study concluded the possible reasons for this

[37:15] are the new apartments are an indicator that an area's economy is vibrant and

[37:19] growing i think that's certainly the case in deerfield township

[37:22] multi-family housing may increase pool the pool of potential future home buyers

[37:26] creating more demand for homes we'll touch on that again in a moment a

[37:31] new multi-family especially as part of mixed use often makes an area more

[37:34] attractive than other communities that have fewer housing and retail choices i

[37:39] just want to touch for a moment that we we find

[37:41] um and have found at the grandstand of one deerfield that they they contribute

[37:45] very positively to what michael den and i call the

[37:50] circulation of housing so we've had many people move into the say the

[37:54] grandstone it's a little older than one deerfield it has a five and a half year

[37:58] almost six year operating history people that move in maybe they work for procter

[38:02] and gamble maybe they work for luxxotica maybe they work for cintas

[38:06] intelligated you name it any of the area employers

[38:09] and you know they might be single at the

[38:11] time they're working professionals and maybe maybe they find a significant

[38:15] other during their time living at the grandstone and then

[38:19] eventually they might they might have a child and they've then outgrown the

[38:21] apartment and when somebody moves out they have to

[38:25] provide a form to us called a notice of intent to move out and on that form they

[38:29] state their forwarding address so we can return their security deposit and we

[38:33] find that a significant percentage of the time

[38:37] those folks are buying a home with a mason ohio mailing address which

[38:42] means it could be deerfield township it could be mason

[38:45] but it's in in the area um and and many of those are in deerfield

[38:50] township some are mason but the point is these folks

[38:55] are are choosing for their first many of their first time

[38:59] living in this area to live in an apartment

[39:01] they love living here they see the great community the deerfield is and all the

[39:04] amenities and all the the community amenities but also the amenities in

[39:08] terms of shopping and retail and restaurants and

[39:11] park space like like hotel and then you know when they're ready to

[39:15] purchase they're they're keeping their roots in

[39:19] in the area so i think that's speaks volumes

[39:25] it's also important to note that the newest section of beacon hill which is

[39:29] the townhome condominium community along wilkins boulevard the last section of

[39:34] that is located at the intersection of parkway drive

[39:38] and wilkins boulevard and one deerfield

[39:42] commenced construction during the third quarter of 2018 and that's also when

[39:49] beacon hill was finishing their last phase i think it's important to note

[39:53] from this slide the number of sales of condominiums at

[39:56] beacon hill that occurred after one deerfield commenced construction i know

[40:01] these footnotes at the bottom are hard to read there were actually three

[40:04] three sales that actually sold

[40:08] while one deerfield was under construction and then sold subsequently

[40:12] when one deerfield was even further under construction and those three sales

[40:17] all sold for more after one deerfield started construction than they did prior

[40:20] to one deerfield starting construction so i think that also

[40:24] um speaks uh

[40:27] in a in a positive way about some of the concerns

[40:30] that we heard and the living near rental housing options does

[40:35] not have a negative impact on property values

[40:38] another concern we heard was safety i think it's once again it's important

[40:43] to note the operating history of the grand stone and also the the more

[40:48] the newer operating history of one deerfield but they're both very quiet

[40:52] and extremely well maintained communities and each has been a very

[40:55] positive addition to deerfield township both the grandstand and one deerfield

[41:00] are adjacent to owner-occupied homes it's important to note that all of our

[41:04] residents undergo stringent credit and criminal background screening

[41:08] and it's important to remember that our residents are making a lifestyle

[41:12] decision to not own for many reasons including busy careers

[41:15] and a desire for a maintenance-free living experience

[41:21] there have also been some studies done on

[41:26] studies that compare crime rates in single-family homes

[41:29] versus crime rates and apartments the particular the

[41:34] the most well-known study was conducted by the arizona multi-family housing

[41:38] association and concluded that the perception of

[41:41] more crime around apartment communities many times

[41:45] comes from the practice of reporting crime statistics by address for example

[41:50] apartment community with 100 units at the same address so it might be the

[41:54] same same street address but each unit has

[41:58] each apartment home within the community has its own unit number

[42:02] but they may be reported as is

[42:06] you know several incidences at the same address but it might just be that you've

[42:10] got 100 100 homes at one address the study concluded that when police

[42:15] data is analyzed on a per unit basis instead of a per address basis the rate

[42:19] of police activity in apartment communities is no worse than

[42:22] single-family subdivisions and in many cases is lower than single-family

[42:27] residential areas at this point i'd like to introduce

[42:31] michael den as i mentioned earlier michael

[42:35] is with market foresight and he's going to share a few of his conclusions

[42:38] regarding demand for the proposed development

[42:48] up here it is

[43:03] thank you

[43:08] good

[43:23] how am i getting over there

[43:34] that's not that

[43:59] yes

[44:11] is

[44:25] sam is not caught

[44:40] okay is this yours or this will happen

[44:47] this right here that's it

[44:53] there you go great thank you ladies and gentlemen i'm michael den i'm

[44:58] the principal of market foresight my address is 124 garrett street in

[45:01] covington kentucky 41011 and i've been previously sworn in

[45:06] good evening

[45:08] i've been serving your township for well over 10 years

[45:12] i've been an advisor to the other projects mentioned this evening the

[45:15] grand stone at one deerfield

[45:19] i've been serving teams and civic leadership like yours for 21 years

[45:24] now

[45:26] i'm currently looking at projects in mason lebanon

[45:30] blue ash in westchester i've served of late the cities of hamilton and

[45:34] middletown i just want to establish a level of

[45:38] trust and who i represent represent you your neighbors

[45:42] your future and as an expert by dealing data

[45:46] and experience

[45:51] the result of that is that our household has changed

[45:53] forced in part by the downturn in 2007 financial crisis 2008 through about 2010

[46:00] and that downturn revealed that we had uncovered a brand new household

[46:05] throughout our region an affluent upscale renter renter by

[46:09] choice we'll come back to that phrase a little bit

[46:12] then we had the 14-month pandemic to really put a punctuation point on that

[46:17] working from home being huddled in our home was our office it was our

[46:22] our place of worship it was our classroom

[46:32] i've got a few slides here probably too many for tonight

[46:38] i start this assessment like the hundreds of others that i've done

[46:41] and the blue pin you see is the site and i create for the township the

[46:46] surrounding neighborhoods uh some trade areas

[46:50] for your neighbors the right area you see is a nine minute drive in any

[46:53] direction from the site the green reading you see is an

[46:57] additional six minutes of area we can influence just kind of where i start

[47:01] looking at the profiles

[47:04] now i subscribe to all the demographics that

[47:08] you've all seen before and i have all these tables here and i start to learn

[47:11] the language but i don't rest on them very often

[47:15] it turns out that my value that i've learned over the years

[47:18] is to before i get into the housing stock and square footage and two

[47:22] bedrooms or granite countertops i want to take the time to learn who's

[47:27] behind the front door in your township

[47:32] not just by a census number not just by any camera age

[47:35] and there's a service i employ using market segmentation it's called

[47:40] tapestry by esri another license that i have

[47:44] and i've used this for many many years what i found is that when you can

[47:48] combine deep data not just census data

[47:52] but school records voting records credit card usage

[47:57] travel internet you can paint a picture anywhere in the

[48:01] country on in your neighborhood the kind of

[48:04] lifestyle who's behind that front door now this service provides 67 different

[48:09] segments they'll have goofy names like brightness professionalism but i use

[48:12] this because it helps me help you understand who's nearby what's

[48:17] happened since the pandemic perhaps what's

[48:19] happened since the downturn what's happened last

[48:23] 20 years within that

[48:26] magnet drive today

[48:30] our 30 000 households and 727 by measure

[48:35] rental households one out of four of the households in that red area

[48:39] are renters and they rent something they might rent a house they might rent

[48:43] your condo they might be in an old duplex they

[48:45] might live in a duplex and rent out the other side

[48:48] we'll get into housing's talking

[48:54] in that green ring a little further out of area influence are twice the number

[48:57] of renters almost fifteen thousand that just describes a depth of market

[49:03] and when i brief clients like the silva medic company

[49:06] they want to first understand what's the character and depth of the people we're

[49:11] going to serve before we think about land price

[49:14] and zoning and square footage and we did that for this one i was available for

[49:18] the grandstone and for

[49:21] one deerfield and when you start the language this way

[49:25] what happens is you begin to erase some of the old attitudes

[49:28] the old stigmas about renters

[49:33] the cries of low income of higher crime

[49:37] of lower values can quickly be

[49:41] countered by significant data that describes who

[49:43] these householders really are the reality is today that we have a very

[49:48] valued householder that chooses to rent it's not about income

[49:52] it's usually about a smaller family size in almost every case it's about mobility

[49:57] i'm going to be here for two years if i choose to stay as ryan very

[50:01] eloquently said that the probability of now then buying

[50:06] close by in your township because of the existing grids is very high

[50:12] we say renter by choice because in fact and i have details later if you wish

[50:18] the renters were talking about starting at 1200 1300 1400 a month can afford to

[50:23] buy the vast majority of houses here in deerfield township because also had the

[50:27] down payment of course but in terms of that

[50:31] they choose to be here as a renter not because of

[50:35] their income because their connection so i'm going to represent you i've got a

[50:40] few more slides to discuss represent your household your

[50:43] constituents and frankly i want to represent 196 households can't be here

[50:48] tonight because they don't get live here

[50:54] my job for the clients of you tonight is to measure this

[50:58] accurately some of the segments deal with people you understand one of

[51:02] the segments i looked at was called enterprising professionals they're

[51:05] throughout the township they look like the young couple there

[51:09] they like attached the housing actually looks like our applicant's housing

[51:13] and throughout the nation they're about a median age half above and half below

[51:17] 35 years old about 2.48 in household size they don't yet have

[51:22] children and

[51:25] they don't yet have a mouse that works there we go

[51:30] i found the adjacent households fit this profile

[51:33] by the inside about half of them choose to rent their home

[51:37] and i found these in great numbers around the side of the new township

[51:42] they're not found everywhere they're found in

[51:45] by docs there you can see the west coast over to new england down in atlanta

[51:50] columbus cincinnati

[51:54] this slide just shows in that same perimeter area that these two

[51:57] neighborhoods one just south of site the majority

[52:02] of all the householders in there are these enterprising professionals what i

[52:06] do with this in terms of metrics this is where

[52:09] numbers offer some clarity yes for all the

[52:12] segments i can find i do some math and i create a table that measures demand i

[52:18] look at their lifestyle i look at a threshold income of say

[52:21] twelve hundred dollars and i'll turn to my client or i'll turn

[52:24] to the board of trustees and say by conservative measure nearby

[52:30] we've found a few thousand by a lifestyle they're existing renters

[52:36] and they have the income to afford fourteen hundred dollars one month

[52:41] lenders and underwriters use this development teams even the architects

[52:45] use this on the supply side i mentioned who who

[52:49] who rents nearby 7 500 folks let me show you

[52:53] in an area by that blue shade which covers pretty much all of that core area

[52:57] of nine minutes be kind of hard to see but the vast

[53:00] majority of rental housing stock are scaled apartments older apartments over

[53:06] 200 units big vast all of the same there's a small share of rental homes

[53:11] and detached homes conducts and so on

[53:16] i can show you where they are what jumps out of me as i see this plot

[53:20] all the symbology you see are scaled multi-family the red dots are those that

[53:25] are coming they're in development right now

[53:27] is in the crossroads of your township in a connector between the two uh

[53:32] there's there's no no place to land it's in this corridor

[53:36] i'm not sure you can see my cursor corridor down to the south of my

[53:40] client's minutes over towards mesa a lot going on over here near union

[53:44] center over in butler county

[53:48] and a little bit further north by liberty all the players

[53:52] many of these developers are my clients

[54:01] i can also plot for you rental condominiums and pockets of condom

[54:04] projects where the absentee owner is now renting you their economy

[54:08] all this is meant to do on the supply side is trying balance if i find 7 500

[54:13] runners i want to find 7 500 occupied rental housing stock and see

[54:19] where the unmet demand is just for fun there all those red dots

[54:24] are rental detached homes in in and around the township

[54:30] may be hard to see and i that's hard for me to see

[54:33] but from there one of the key intersections i offer any development

[54:38] team any planning director

[54:41] politician or lender is the opportunity that lies ahead

[54:47] for a new development here for those that can afford over fourteen hundred

[54:52] dollars a month i found over five thousand target renters

[54:57] in the core market i found only about 2800

[55:00] scale departments at those rents or higher in fact if i count only new

[55:05] projects it's only about 1600 and they're going to ask me what are they

[55:08] running there's two answers one is

[55:13] they couldn't find the right apartment that's close to them so they'll run a

[55:16] house so they'll rent your old condo but by and large what mostly happens is

[55:20] these very deserving households that want to be in your township that

[55:23] probably have come from the township and create that rotation that ryan

[55:27] talked about because they settled they could afford 1400 a month easily

[55:32] but the best department they could find was 11.50 so that's what they're renting

[55:35] and when you think about it the risk horizon for those families and

[55:39] households is only 12 months

[55:43] upscale renters the most liquid residents and and fuel for property

[55:48] values and new development in our country

[55:52] and in terms of detail because i want to serve you an ongoing basis

[55:56] i provide a proprietary study to my client i'd be available with their

[56:01] consent to show you more detail about this

[56:04] especially as their designs evolve but we can zoom down to the driveway level

[56:08] the site is over here guys you can see the neighborhoods

[56:12] and the folks have been here notice that just

[56:15] just northeast of the site is a condominium community where there's a

[56:18] lot of absenteeism condos

[56:28] i always wanted to be an architect i served some time in the navy before

[56:34] and then got involved in this and but i was i just like architecture

[56:39] i get to sit in the room often with their designers and say that really fits

[56:42] the fabric and there's really a lot of appeal you can charge more for that they

[56:46] look here when you say that i find that this this approach the examples they

[56:51] used the the architecture and the message of the building to be

[56:56] cutting edge for all the developments that i got to serve

[57:02] what questions would you have with me

[57:16] myself available either throughout this hearing or later as allowed to speak for

[57:21] your market the competition and what has been

[57:25] clearly measured as an unmet demand for these kind of

[57:28] rental units in your township

[57:31] thank you very much

[57:50] how do we get ours back up would you go back to your

[57:54] powerpoint yeah

[58:08] yes

[58:11] [Music]

[58:23] yes

[58:47] thank you michael for that excellent information

[58:51] the site plan that's currently on the screen shows the original site plan that

[58:55] we submitted back in january or february

[59:00] as you can see this site plan included 30

[59:05] two-story three-bedroom two-and-a-half bath town

[59:08] homes near the northern near the northern property line

[59:12] and a smaller buffer zone behind it

[59:16] i'd like to talk about some of the changes and revisions that we made in

[59:20] the site plan as we've continued to

[59:25] listen to to feedback from our neighbors

[59:31] we we removed these 30 townhomes um along the northern property line

[59:38] and that resulted in a decrease from

[59:44] 216 homes to 196 homes and an overall bedroom crown a bedroom

[59:50] count decrease of 70. the other thing on the original site

[59:55] plan because it was a pud we were requesting

[1:00:01] a variance on parking so deerfield township zoning code for

[1:00:07] multi-family requires two parking spaces per

[1:00:12] residential unit irrespective of unit type so

[1:00:16] irrespective of it being a two bedroom or one bedroom the deerfield township

[1:00:20] zoning code requires two spaces per unit so when we did the

[1:00:24] grand stone or developed the grand stone that's 122 units and we have

[1:00:30] two two parking spaces per unit and we are

[1:00:34] way over parked there um we've done studies when we're at full occupancy

[1:00:39] and we're effectively parking at 1.35 to 1.4 spaces per unit

[1:00:46] same thing with one deerfield one deerfield we were granted a variance

[1:00:49] we're about 1.6 spaces per unit at one deerfield and we've done the same kind

[1:00:54] of study there and we're right in with a 1.35 to 1.4 spaces per unit which

[1:01:00] equates to less than one space per bedroom

[1:01:04] so when we came in with this original plan

[1:01:07] we were at about 1.8 1.85 spaces per unit is what we were requesting

[1:01:13] and we did hear concerns from neighbors that

[1:01:18] you know they were concerned that we didn't have

[1:01:22] enough parking we did we had plenty of parking but

[1:01:25] just belt and suspenders we decided to go back and revise the plan

[1:01:30] and and we were able to get rid of the townhomes in the back and do some

[1:01:36] other things and we now have two parking spaces per dwelling unit so

[1:01:41] we have plenty of parking

[1:01:44] that's just on the residential component of course for each commercial outlet

[1:01:49] when we bring those in for stage two depending on the uses

[1:01:54] that sort of show up to the dance so to speak we would have um

[1:01:58] the part you know we've got a couple restaurants on one outlet then

[1:02:03] we might need more parking if we've got a medical use

[1:02:06] on another one we might need less parking but those of course would be

[1:02:09] brought in and the parking for those would be

[1:02:12] the zoning commission would have a chance to scrutinize that during the

[1:02:15] stage 2 approval process as i mentioned earlier

[1:02:18] we spent a lot of time this evening talking about the multi-family component

[1:02:22] that's because we know exactly who our market is

[1:02:26] we have experience uh with this with this product type and we're able to

[1:02:31] knowing who our target market is design a unit mix and design an architectural

[1:02:36] aesthetic that we know is going to strike a very positive chord with our

[1:02:41] target market commercial we're every bit as excited about the commercial

[1:02:46] uses avalon tyler's mills we are the uh residential component but it's a

[1:02:53] different paradigm and commercial development and in retail in particular

[1:02:57] it's really user driven so we've already had some very positive conversations

[1:03:01] with with medical uses and restaurant uses and

[1:03:06] as this progresses we're very confident that

[1:03:10] this will be very high demand space as i mentioned earlier given the

[1:03:14] accessibility given the pedestrian walkability given its its prominence on

[1:03:19] tylersville road given the fact that retailers and restaurants love it when

[1:03:23] you've got a captive audience on site in this case 196 homes directly behind it

[1:03:28] that's a captive audience that can they can

[1:03:31] walk to you on a on a daily basis to support your business so

[1:03:36] one of the other site plan revisions that we

[1:03:40] made uh the when we we were showing the 30

[1:03:44] town homes we had a buffer zone that was about or 44 feet wide with a six foot

[1:03:50] high mound by eliminating these town homes which if

[1:03:54] you look at the current site plan that's before you this evening by

[1:03:58] eliminating those 30 town homes we're now able to increase

[1:04:02] the width of the buffer from 44 feet to 100 feet and

[1:04:07] increase the mound height from six feet to nine feet and as mentioned earlier

[1:04:12] we're proposing to install a

[1:04:15] six foot privacy fence on top of the mountain and of course

[1:04:19] we'd have plantings on the mound as well to provide a nice natural buffer

[1:04:25] with these changes

[1:04:29] let me get this on the screen okay with these changes we're now able to achieve

[1:04:34] the following distances so the distance from the back

[1:04:39] one thing i forgot to mention when when when we got rid of the 30 when

[1:04:43] we eliminated the 30 town homes increased the buffer and the buffer

[1:04:48] width and increased amount height we added 20 detached garage structures

[1:04:53] along uh near the northern property line but south of the buffer so you can see

[1:04:58] those proposed structures there we're proposing

[1:05:01] 20 of those and those you can see those on your site plan

[1:05:04] but now when you look at the distance from the back of the proposed attached

[1:05:08] garages to the property line

[1:05:11] where we're at 104 feet when you look at the distance from the

[1:05:15] back of the detached garages to the nearest house it's 177

[1:05:20] feet when you look at the distance from the nearest dwelling units

[1:05:25] to the nearest house it's approximately 259 feet

[1:05:30] and as mentioned earlier with these changes we've also significantly

[1:05:34] increased our

[1:05:38] open space acreage and our active open space acreage as

[1:05:41] well at one of the zoning commission meetings

[1:05:45] i believe it was a rosemont south subdivision

[1:05:49] resident referenced the typical distance between

[1:05:52] the houses right here on the east side of sunny drive

[1:05:56] so the distance between the back of these houses

[1:06:00] to the west side of the condominiums on clear water drive

[1:06:05] so as this can be seen from this side we took a representative measurement the

[1:06:09] distance from the homes on the east side of sunny drive the back of those homes

[1:06:13] to the multi-family units to the east is approximately 215

[1:06:18] feet so by eliminating the town homes

[1:06:22] we now have a distance from the north side

[1:06:25] of our multi-family dwelling units to the south side of the homes on glenstone

[1:06:31] way of approximately 259 feet

[1:06:35] which is 44 feet longer than this distance so

[1:06:40] we've we've exceeded

[1:06:43] the the comparable uh distance that is kind of on the ground today between the

[1:06:49] east the east side of the sunny drive home

[1:06:52] uh the the sunny drive homes and the west side of the

[1:06:56] of the multifamily along

[1:06:59] clear water drive

[1:07:06] as i mentioned a moment ago

[1:07:10] we've now increased the width of the buffer to 100 feet and now the mound

[1:07:15] that we're proposing is 70 feet wide once again six foot high privacy fence

[1:07:21] on top of the mount for a total peak height of 15 feet

[1:07:24] and we're proposing to plant evergreens on the

[1:07:28] north side of the mountain

[1:07:36] [Applause]

[1:07:40] we also heard safety concerns from residents

[1:07:45] relative to the detention pond located here at the north

[1:07:50] west corner of the site in response to those safety concerns

[1:07:55] we've proposed to install a

[1:07:58] privacy fence north of the pond and on this 45 degree angle

[1:08:03] heading southwest

[1:08:06] and then here

[1:08:08] on our property we're proposing to install

[1:08:11] a a four foot high black aluminum fence so upon to address safety concerns

[1:08:18] would be completely fenced

[1:08:22] in um the other concern that we heard and we

[1:08:27] didn't hear this one really until the um right before the last meeting

[1:08:32] was um

[1:08:34] residents expressed the concern that the mound here so the 70 foot wide mound

[1:08:41] didn't extend all the way

[1:08:44] to our western property line and the reason

[1:08:49] that

[1:08:52] it's difficult to do that is because this this this detention pond needs to

[1:08:57] be in this location uh we've had bear

[1:09:00] becker we've taken last couple weeks to have bear becker our civil engineer do

[1:09:04] some further study on the grades and the volumes required on that pond i'm

[1:09:09] actually going to invite john del verne who's a principal with bear becker

[1:09:14] to to come up and speak to you a little bit about about this pond about the size

[1:09:18] of it and some ideas we have to to provide a buffer between the north

[1:09:24] side of this pond and the resonance to the north so john

[1:09:34] the next three slides are really and then there's one more after that it

[1:09:39] shows you the cross section okay

[1:09:49] good evening again john delbert with fairbacker 6900 towersville road mason

[1:09:54] ohio four five zero four zero i have been sworn in

[1:09:59] yeah i'd like to try to mention i'd like to share some information about the

[1:10:03] stormwater management program for the for the project

[1:10:06] i have advanced some study of the of the grades and the

[1:10:11] stormwater analysis

[1:10:14] basically an effort to confirm that you know what we're shown on the conceptual

[1:10:17] pud plan is realistic so

[1:10:21] basically we'll start with the drainage area and it's a little hard to see the

[1:10:24] unfortunately see the existing topography on this

[1:10:26] on this site that's what i start with they're actually two distinct drainage

[1:10:30] areas that we that the project will drain to the

[1:10:34] the ridgeline high point of the site really

[1:10:37] kind of runs like this so everything

[1:10:41] south and east drains to tylersville road into the roadside ditch ends up in

[1:10:46] a culvert at these property line here and heads east

[1:10:50] everything north and west of this ridgeline

[1:10:54] heads north and ends up in a culvert in rosemont it's one two three four right

[1:11:00] here stashed in there it's hard for me to see from here but a 48 inch culvert

[1:11:04] pipe that extends into rosemont

[1:11:08] not only is it it's about seven acres here

[1:11:10] that drains that way and the other 10 and a half drains this

[1:11:14] way in addition to that 48 inch that tributary to that 48 inch culvert pipe

[1:11:19] is really a large part of this parcel remaining partial to the west it all

[1:11:23] drains north and runs along the rear property line and ends up in this 48

[1:11:26] inch culvert so

[1:11:30] logically we have our two drainage outlets one of our goals when we're

[1:11:34] designing sites is to maintain the pre-developed drainage sheds try to

[1:11:38] mimic those in the post developed as best as we can we don't always get it

[1:11:40] exact but we get pretty close so to do that we need to put a detention

[1:11:46] basin close to the outlet here can't be up here on the high ridge it's got to be

[1:11:50] here at the low spots we can capture as much

[1:11:52] of our development as possible so we can

[1:11:56] control that stormwater rate that we release to the downstream system

[1:12:01] same here we've got our outlet point here

[1:12:04] we've got the potential basin located primarily in the lowest spot of the site

[1:12:09] the stormwater basins are required by warren county and the ohio epa

[1:12:14] they're two separate requirements we usually address both of them in

[1:12:18] a detention or retention basin moore county stormwater regulations

[1:12:24] primarily focus on flood control so we're looking at larger storm events to

[1:12:28] control the release from those events usually one year storms to like 100 year

[1:12:33] storm event then the ohio epa focuses on water

[1:12:36] quality so we're talking about more frequent storm events

[1:12:40] and smaller storm events than the ones that we look at for flood control

[1:12:44] so we kind of could get said and accommodate both of those in the

[1:12:47] stormwater basins so this is really where

[1:12:52] these bases are necessary by regulation i think any

[1:12:56] development that would increase or add impervious area to the site would

[1:13:00] require storm water bases and they i would think even a different plan you

[1:13:04] would see a storm water basin in this location and a second one here and

[1:13:07] that's the way the right way to design the stormwater program for this site

[1:13:13] let's see if i can go to the next slide here these are just some blowups of the

[1:13:16] two basins this is the one in the northwest corner i just have some more

[1:13:20] detail on the one in the southeast corner

[1:13:24] both basins have about the same ponding depth

[1:13:29] between the normal pool they are white basins between the normal pool and it's

[1:13:32] not raining elevation and 100 year elevation about a

[1:13:36] little over five feet each of storm water depth

[1:13:41] the good news is my preliminary analysis really confirms the sizes in the

[1:13:48] footprints that are shown on the conceptual ped plant it's about the

[1:13:51] right size very similar in footprint they the

[1:13:54] footprint of the water shifts a little bit you have to

[1:13:57] accommodate grades to create a berm to create the impoundment so it may shift a

[1:14:01] little bit but it's really really very consistent with the

[1:14:06] conceptual pud site plan

[1:14:10] and as ryan mentioned there were some concerns about sidelines

[1:14:14] in the northwest corner where the large buffer mound here has to terminate

[1:14:20] so we can construct a detention space at this location

[1:14:24] so we decided to do a cross section there

[1:14:26] the cross section is plotted along this red line so that's what you see down

[1:14:30] below is a slice along the red line looking west

[1:14:34] so for example for reference this is our north property line for the project that

[1:14:39] property line is represented right here by this dashed line

[1:14:42] center line of that drive aisle right here ceremony on the drive aisle

[1:14:47] here in between this the center line and the

[1:14:50] north property line is our detention basin it's the low area it's a low area

[1:14:54] between these two lines right here represents our detention basin and then

[1:14:58] to the right of that is that our berm that we're using to create the

[1:15:01] impoundment the top of that berm is at an elevation of 874.3 based on

[1:15:06] preliminary analysis if you compare that with the elevation of the at the

[1:15:11] property line at 860 i think it was 868. it's about as little over 6 foot called

[1:15:17] 6.3 feet in height

[1:15:20] so to supplement that um screen at that location we proposed

[1:15:25] to put a uh a fence on top of the burner and that fence is shown you can see as

[1:15:30] it comes down the larger mound comes down to our detention base and we just

[1:15:33] run it right around here in that area right on top of the berm so

[1:15:38] i show an eight foot high fence on the berm on

[1:15:41] this particular graphic which will give you a little over a 14 foot screen from

[1:15:45] the elevation at the property lines at the top of the fence

[1:15:49] so with that those are basically my comments with regards to stormwater if

[1:15:52] you're happy to answer any questions excuse me john yes um it's been brought

[1:15:58] up that in 2014 the student health is in a different location for a prior

[1:16:02] development and

[1:16:05] i wonder if you know anything about that or if you could speak to maybe theirs

[1:16:08] was in the wrong place or the right place for that

[1:16:12] time or so it was more in the middle of this property well

[1:16:18] so so it was a prior concept plan that was

[1:16:21] did not move forward it wasn't ours okay you know um

[1:16:27] the the culvert pipe is right here so this is the inlet of it and where the

[1:16:33] storm sewer system runs downhill to the north and through the development i mean

[1:16:37] i could see potentially this pond moving east a little bit you know if i had it

[1:16:42] centered right on top of that culvert pipe that could be

[1:16:46] that could be one solution right but i don't see it moving

[1:16:51] south for example because now you're moving

[1:16:53] uphill and it really needs you know water needs

[1:16:55] to drain downhill to capture all of the water otherwise now you're

[1:16:59] bringing water uphill and then trying to take it back downhill and it gets very

[1:17:02] difficult i haven't said i haven't done it before but it gets

[1:17:05] very difficult very tricky and there's usually some sort of compromise

[1:17:09] in the design if if you have to do that so

[1:17:12] i can see it moving maybe a little bit east but i don't see it moving

[1:17:17] i don't see it moving south how does adding in the nine foot tall

[1:17:22] sperm of planting how does that affect the way

[1:17:25] the water's flowing because when that effect that would essentially change if

[1:17:28] we were to build that uh mound all the way across that

[1:17:32] would change where the low point of the high point of the land would be right

[1:17:36] right right well as far as the amount here um

[1:17:40] right now the water you know the high points down here somewhere the water

[1:17:44] just sheds this way nothing impedes it right it's all downhill

[1:17:48] from south to north when we put the mound in what's going to

[1:17:51] happen is the top of the mountain that water's going to shed off into the rear

[1:17:55] yards here but everything south of that mound is going to come

[1:17:59] back to our storm sewer system to be piped into the basin

[1:18:02] so we're actually it's actually going to help us collect and maintain keep water

[1:18:07] on on the site so we can treat it and store it in our detention

[1:18:11] basis

[1:18:15] but i think we're already moving dirt around right yeah we can create like a

[1:18:19] new low area just because i i'm concerned that

[1:18:24] first of all like where that is and and looking at your your drawing

[1:18:28] here i mean people's headlights are going to be coming in because it's

[1:18:31] uphill where the road is from where these

[1:18:34] people's houses are i feel like headlights are making them right they're

[1:18:36] back into their bedroom windows out of their backyard your headlights aren't

[1:18:40] usually focused up and out they're usually focused out

[1:18:43] and down a little bit but that's right across from where the entrance is so

[1:18:47] cars are going to be coming in all night yeah and they're down and so i imagine

[1:18:51] right here you see the road line you can see the road and that's the car it goes

[1:18:55] straight it looks like it goes straight across and through there so just from a

[1:18:59] grading perspective you know the ridgeline's down here

[1:19:02] somewhere right we're going to probably mimic that with our proposed grid so

[1:19:05] we're going to be in a downward trajectory as we

[1:19:08] this road will be falling down so it's not like they're coming up a

[1:19:13] hill and shining lights up they're going to be shining lights down

[1:19:16] typically screens screening requirements for all parking lots for headlights 30

[1:19:20] inches i would say you know we're going to have a fence

[1:19:24] that's going to be top of that it's going to be roughly 82

[1:19:29] 882 i believe we're at probably 75-ish that's an

[1:19:34] average grade might be even lower here might be closer to 74. so we're going to

[1:19:38] be five six feet you know easily seven feet

[1:19:42] easily below the top of our screen here so i just don't see that as a

[1:19:49] as an issue if anything i think we're helping the situation out here

[1:19:55] so if we come back to the

[1:19:59] detention pond um if we can kind of

[1:20:06] if you were to extend that berm all the way to the property line wouldn't that

[1:20:11] then funnel the water back down into the pond if you were to lower that

[1:20:17] um and then still be able to have that burn

[1:20:20] and then the you know the water to the north would go to

[1:20:24] the the drainage into the south it would funnel then

[1:20:27] into a pond if you were to move it say south

[1:20:31] a little bit in terms of that great

[1:20:34] because you'd have you know that high burn right

[1:20:37] would that funnel that down into in that area and then you wouldn't have

[1:20:40] to necessarily worry about where you know where it's going and

[1:20:44] trying to pump it back right i think the the problem with that

[1:20:48] is the footprint of that mound is is very large

[1:20:52] um and it would i looked at trying to get a

[1:20:55] basin in this location it just isn't possible it's just to you know without

[1:21:00] sacrificing a major portion of the plan it's it's just it's not feasible

[1:21:06] one thing the one of the previous

[1:21:11] sections that was shown earlier you know shows that mound pretty uniform well the

[1:21:16] problem is you know grades on this side are a few feet higher than they are here

[1:21:20] so at three to one slope you've got more more slope to get to the peak so you

[1:21:25] need more run on the north side to get to the peak so

[1:21:29] it pushes the pushes the um the mound you know further further south

[1:21:35] and maybe what that shows that simple section shows

[1:21:40] so just the footprint of it just the foot they've created the top of that

[1:21:44] mound where it's shown here the footprint of it it just totally wipes

[1:21:48] out my detention base and you can see if you can send these contours straight

[1:21:51] through and then come back down to the bottom i

[1:21:53] mean i might have a ditch here there just won't be any storage

[1:21:58] i mean i firmly believe this is the place the pond needs to go

[1:22:02] i think it'll it'll function very well at that location

[1:22:15] i'm just looking looking at the contours that i can see on that map i mean

[1:22:19] they're very they kind of go towards like the south

[1:22:24] east almost

[1:22:26] so i mean we have to lose some parking

[1:22:30] lot you know we already said we're over we

[1:22:33] have more parking spaces than we really need that can be something that we give

[1:22:38] up for the sake of being able to extend is not if you can

[1:22:41] move that south a little bit because then follow the contours

[1:22:44] into the kink where that parking lot is you see what i'm saying yeah i

[1:22:48] understand i understand what you're saying i think when you start to move

[1:22:53] this infrastructure south i mean you start to destroy the circulation i mean

[1:22:57] it'll really ripple through the project

[1:23:13] you know again let's not discount the fact that you know i think

[1:23:16] from the property line up to the top of that fence we're going to be at plus 14

[1:23:19] feet for a screen

[1:23:23] and i think that's pretty significant i think headlights will be definitely tall

[1:23:26] enough to block headlights definitely you know tall enough to block you

[1:23:30] especially from the first floor down um yes i think the important thing to

[1:23:35] note is that if you're if you're a resident and

[1:23:39] you're you're north of the mound okay so if you're standing

[1:23:55] if you're standing here and if you could just do a pretty good job of doing this

[1:24:00] for the mic so that everybody can hear it

[1:24:03] there you go if um

[1:24:05] if you're standing north of the mound here

[1:24:10] you're seeing basically a

[1:24:13] slope what john is three to one three three

[1:24:15] four three to one slope that's

[1:24:18] you know you've got a mound that's roughly

[1:24:20] nine feet high with a six foot fence that's a 15 15 feet of total buffer if

[1:24:25] you're standing here in front of what i'll call berm this

[1:24:30] berm that's you know it's like half of a mound right

[1:24:35] it's really an analogous condition in terms of what you're looking at because

[1:24:40] you've got a mound that's six feet high and we're talking about

[1:24:44] doing a bigger fence there an eight foot high fence so you've got roughly

[1:24:48] 14 feet i mean you're you're within a foot

[1:24:51] and i mean visually this would be a three to one slope roughly right three

[1:24:55] to one slow three to one slope plantings you know evergreens etc

[1:25:00] same thing here so i think visually um if you're looking from the north

[1:25:05] looking south i think the visual impact is

[1:25:10] very analogous i think it's i think it's very very similar

[1:25:14] almost the same what you don't get is is is the amount that's on our property

[1:25:20] because and i mean nobody here can see that

[1:25:24] here instead of having the mounds slope down three to one heading south

[1:25:28] that berm falls off into into the pond right here

[1:25:32] [Music]

[1:25:36] okay thank you do you have anything else to present or should we open up we're

[1:25:40] almost done just a couple of couple last points

[1:25:43] thank you john

[1:25:49] so just just continuing a few more points on some of the revisions that

[1:25:53] we've made to the plan throughout the process as mentioned earlier

[1:25:58] you know originally we had a full access point because

[1:26:03] warren county requested it and then they they took a look at the functionality of

[1:26:08] some of the other intersections in the area and said look we're okay with with

[1:26:12] it just being you can cut off the access point to thornberry court and just

[1:26:17] provide a gate that emergency services vehicles can use that was a big concern

[1:26:21] early on from neighboring residents was they didn't like the fact that we had a

[1:26:26] connection to thornbury court so that that

[1:26:30] that's been resolved the other comment that we got fairly

[1:26:34] recently was building nine which is kind of in the northwest excuse me northeast

[1:26:39] corner of the site um there's a home that doesn't show in this

[1:26:43] area but there's a home there now and some of the rosemont south residents

[1:26:47] request you know asked us a requested us to look at um beefing up a visual buffer

[1:26:53] here so we we kind of pushed the sidewalk south and

[1:26:57] this one sat further south and this one north and we've been able to create

[1:27:01] a mound here uh that's roughly four or

[1:27:05] four feet high and then we would provide plantings throughout that amount so

[1:27:09] that'll provide a very nice landscape buffer the one the last thing

[1:27:14] in terms of revision the zoning commission had a comment on

[1:27:18] building one which you have that on your site plan that's not on the screen

[1:27:23] building one the north face of building one was

[1:27:27] was further north than the north face of buildings um

[1:27:35] let me see if i can quickly get it back on the screen just so

[1:27:49] okay so here you can see building one the north face of that

[1:27:54] is is is beyond the north face of these two

[1:27:59] buildings so we had a comment from a zoning commission member said hey

[1:28:03] can you look at scooching this building down so that the

[1:28:07] north face of building one doesn't extend beyond the north face of these

[1:28:11] buildings and we were you know we were we were we looked at

[1:28:14] that and we were able to accommodate that request so if you look

[1:28:17] now on the site plan

[1:28:21] that you have in your packet i'll try to quickly scoop back there

[1:28:28] can see now that building one is the north face of building one does not

[1:28:31] extend beyond the north faces of these buildings

[1:28:35] so with that i would just say that

[1:28:39] in conclusion the proposed development is consistent with the historical

[1:28:43] pattern of development seen along this portion of tylersville road

[1:28:47] and incorporates a step down in use intensity

[1:28:51] moving south to north that exhibits sound planning and zoning principles

[1:28:58] the [Music]

[1:29:00] the the site is uh this plan is in a convenient easily accessible location

[1:29:06] and i think we've demonstrated the high quality developments that we've brought

[1:29:09] to deerfield township in the past with the grandstand one deerfield

[1:29:13] and the proposed development will be of the same high quality

[1:29:16] i also like to mention again that all the all the consistencies of this plan

[1:29:21] relative to the current deerfield township

[1:29:25] comprehensive plan as well as the proposed update

[1:29:29] i thank everybody for their time this evening and

[1:29:32] myself and all the members of our team will be available

[1:29:36] to answer any questions that you might have thank you thank you

[1:29:40] okay so now we're going to move on to uh public comment and if you filled out a

[1:29:45] sheet from our last meeting right here again we have it we're going to call you

[1:29:49] up uh if you're not here we'll set it off

[1:29:52] to the side in case that person shows up and then anyone else knew who killed

[1:29:58] that one today it's like you're bringing it up you can bring them up to mr yoder

[1:30:01] here we'll call you and then just to remind you when you come up state your

[1:30:05] name your address and whether you've been sworn in for the

[1:30:09] record and you have miss warnings and this reader will store you in

[1:30:13] and uh we're gonna do a five minute limit on everyone's comments you can get

[1:30:18] everyone in i'll find you

[1:30:26] um and i saw a fair number of people walking in too perhaps are there people

[1:30:30] that intend to speak that were sworn in already tonight is there a

[1:30:34] decent amount or not maybe

[1:30:37] well there's only one i could just handle that when we go there but i

[1:30:40] thought maybe there was a bunch we had a couple answers about this if there's

[1:30:44] anybody that hasn't been sworn in already tonight that things they might

[1:30:47] want to give a testimony go ahead

[1:30:51] all right perfect do you solemnly swear our

[1:30:54] affirmative testimony you'll give tonight will be true and accurate to the

[1:30:57] best of your knowledge and belief yeah great thanks you can be sued

[1:31:00] so with that we'll go ahead and get started

[1:31:03] first person is tim bradshaw

[1:31:14] [Music] first um so my name is tim radzick 6595

[1:31:19] glenstone way i have been sworn

[1:31:23] um so i probably won't well i certainly

[1:31:27] don't have any pretty pictures or the gravitas of some of the previous

[1:31:30] presenters i'm just the guy who plunked down

[1:31:33] several hundred thousand dollars for a home

[1:31:36] in deerfield because i love what i saw there and i love the community and i

[1:31:41] have some concerns and i don't think they've yet been

[1:31:44] addressed so that's why i'm speaking today

[1:31:48] according to the speakers i should be very happy that there's this development

[1:31:51] being built next to my house or it's down the road from my house

[1:31:57] apparently my property values are going to increase

[1:32:00] uh crime's going to go down everything's going to be better or at

[1:32:04] least the same of course that sort of excludes the fact

[1:32:07] that if something is the same or better then there's probably some that's going

[1:32:10] to be worse property values will increase within 300

[1:32:14] feet of the property apparently due to a study but maybe the

[1:32:19] homes that are right next to the development aren't going to increase

[1:32:22] that

[1:32:25] apparently i have misconceptions about renters

[1:32:29] i'll just state i've been in the air force for 23 years and i've lived

[1:32:33] everywhere i've lived in a metal shack in baghdad

[1:32:38] and i've lived in a same family home i lived in uh four bridges apartments

[1:32:44] owned several homes around the country um

[1:32:47] so i have a pretty good experience of what it's like to be a renter and a

[1:32:50] homeowner and

[1:32:53] i would say that i prefer being a homeowner and i know what it's like to

[1:32:56] live in an apartment with renters and as much as it's been told to me that i

[1:33:02] shouldn't be happy and i have misconceptions i don't feel i have them

[1:33:05] i've been one and i know what my neighbors were like and they were very

[1:33:09] nice people but it's a different environment and the home next to that is

[1:33:13] a different environment as well um

[1:33:16] i would say that most every homeowner here would not be happy if their home

[1:33:19] was torn down or the home next to them was torn down

[1:33:22] and an apartment community was built there

[1:33:25] so that on itself says something about the the data that

[1:33:29] says we should be happy with this development

[1:33:33] so um

[1:33:36] i guess my main concern is that this doesn't seem like a planned urban

[1:33:39] development to me talked about a little bit right at the

[1:33:42] beginning there's a little sidebar conversation about

[1:33:46] apartments above businesses or off to the side if you can draw a line

[1:33:51] through the development and everything commercials on one side

[1:33:55] and everything residential is on the other side i don't see how that's

[1:33:58] diversity of housing i don't see how it's intermingled or

[1:34:02] integrated i don't see how it's horizontally

[1:34:05] integrated there's a step so i think it's segregated

[1:34:11] and it doesn't really meet the sort of definition of a planned unit

[1:34:16] development as i see it simply saying something is a fact

[1:34:21] doesn't necessarily make it so a lot of things were said

[1:34:24] i actually think this could be an interesting development

[1:34:27] i think there are some tweaks that that should be made i think i think the

[1:34:31] property owners deserve to earn some money for their property

[1:34:35] and the city or the the township deserves to have a

[1:34:38] good development that meets the needs of the people

[1:34:41] but this is sort of being presented as a false dichotomy

[1:34:45] that almost like the people who are against

[1:34:48] it aren't for having businesses a long time

[1:34:51] as well but i would wager to say that almost everyone here

[1:34:55] is fine with having businesses along tylersville they just want their

[1:34:58] backyard i came to ohio and one of the neat

[1:35:02] things i saw different from california was that

[1:35:05] we have a backyard and it's the next people's backyard and it's also the next

[1:35:09] people's backyard and you can see all around and you can have your kids play

[1:35:13] with your neighbors they're taking the backyard away

[1:35:17] and maybe that doesn't show up in some of

[1:35:20] the data but it shows up in the fact that

[1:35:23] no one no one along glenn stone that i know

[1:35:27] is happy about this development

[1:35:31] i don't think the only option is a high density housing development which is

[1:35:35] what this is there's a high density housing development which could

[1:35:39] legitimately be zoned as such

[1:35:42] and a commercial development next to it that could legitimately be zoned as such

[1:35:47] and that isn't how a pud should be the density is odd

[1:35:52] 13.32 units per acre but is presented as 11 units per acre seems kind of like a

[1:35:58] dodge to me i don't know how you guys define that

[1:36:02] you're definitely the experts in that but that seems awful to me

[1:36:07] it was interesting that it was presented as

[1:36:11] our development is going to look like a modern farmhouse

[1:36:14] how about put a modern farmhouse that's the promise that was made

[1:36:24] [Music]

[1:36:29] for those people that choose to clap or be disorderly i will have you escort

[1:36:33] down people can speak but this is not going

[1:36:36] to be a popularity contest or against it so please don't test me

[1:36:40] we want to hear everyone but that's all we want to hear thank you

[1:36:44] so i know that zoning is exciting your five minutes are up also just you know

[1:36:47] is that when i write what they applauded is when the alarm went off so if you can

[1:36:51] just wrap up really quickly please okay i know that zoning isn't a promise it's

[1:36:54] not set in stone changes are made but i think it's important that all

[1:36:58] stakeholders are considered that

[1:37:01] especially those who are having harm done to them should maybe be considered

[1:37:04] a little bit more than those who are looking to gain something for it and

[1:37:07] again i'm i'm a conservative capitalist i totally understand the property

[1:37:11] developers needs but i feel like a promise was made that

[1:37:16] we were going to have at least some attention considered look at other

[1:37:20] options to what might

[1:37:22] go behind our homes rather than to have you know

[1:37:27] 13.32 units per acre

[1:37:31] so my parents always taught me before you tear a fence down how long it's

[1:37:34] longer because your time really is is several minutes before you tear a fence

[1:37:38] down you should know why the fence is put up in the first place i think

[1:37:41] there's a reason why this was zoned as uh residential

[1:37:44] in the way it was zoned and i think the change has been appropriate

[1:37:49] [Music]

[1:37:54] all right next person that's out there is raj up and drums

[1:38:07] my name is raj rupinram i live on here 65-15 glenn stoneway

[1:38:12] mason ohio i've been swallowing good evening everybody um

[1:38:16] you know this is the very first time uh we are presenting um

[1:38:20] from our rosemont south community to the trustees

[1:38:24] uh and i'm the rosemont south association president

[1:38:28] uh besides me with other um board of members in the rosemont

[1:38:32] association we have had several number of conversations with our um neighbors

[1:38:38] regarding many concerns about this proposal just to give a quick background

[1:38:42] because like i said this is the first time we're presenting to you um you know

[1:38:46] when we all bought our houses in like 10 years or 16 years ago we were all pro we

[1:38:51] were all promised that there's going to be single family houses right behind our

[1:38:55] neighbor like in our backyard but apparently that didn't happen in 2014

[1:39:01] since then a couple of developers came into picture and they proposed some

[1:39:04] weird uh you know and greedy proposals such as they're trying to build some big

[1:39:09] commercial complexes right behind our neighborhood you know um trying to make

[1:39:14] money um they're all trying to make money at the cost of our uh you know

[1:39:18] privacy and the cost of our quality of our life and compromising on the traffic

[1:39:22] and safety concerns and all that so since then um you know like i said

[1:39:26] couple of uh developers came into picture and they tried to present it to

[1:39:29] the the trustees and the zoning commissions and we all came here um

[1:39:34] hundreds of people all the neighbors came and raised our voices we were very

[1:39:38] clear and loud that we want to maintain our quality of our life in this single

[1:39:42] family homes because we paid so much of money into our home for many of us it's

[1:39:48] a it's our dream you know for some of the people some of the neighbors it's

[1:39:51] their kids education some of their neighbors it's a retirement amount so

[1:39:56] you know with keeping all those things um you know the the trustees and the

[1:40:01] past committees they listened to us they respected our opinion they respected our

[1:40:05] you know the concerns and all that and they rejected their proposals

[1:40:09] recently when uh the last time the very first time mr silverman company came and

[1:40:13] presented their proposal it was very similar to what the previous developers

[1:40:17] did that i mean it was they built the houses the proposal was very uh close to

[1:40:22] the commercial complexes very right behind our neighborhood no buffer

[1:40:25] nothing there is no um character no transition uh been uh followed through

[1:40:32] and we again raised our concern i mean this might be the eighth or tenth time

[1:40:37] we are coming to this room sometimes we feel like we are coming more than the

[1:40:40] deerfield officer enquiries here you know we've been so used to this and this

[1:40:44] has been going on since 2014. finally um i know every time whenever silverman

[1:40:50] presents his uh presentation those are very beautiful uh um you know um

[1:40:56] facilities that they're providing like beautiful lodges and all that but for us

[1:41:00] it doesn't really matter i mean whether they put the commerce with the golden

[1:41:03] gold plated commerce in their restrooms or whether they keep the juice water or

[1:41:08] water or you know whatever it's in the refrigerators we don't care i mean for

[1:41:11] us it no it's nothing for us that might be for the people who are renting it so

[1:41:15] every time i never come to this meeting sometimes i feel like i came to rent an

[1:41:18] apartment but most of the times i mean the the major concern that we raised

[1:41:23] last time too was uh you know these are all going to be rented out

[1:41:28] to you know for the rental people and they

[1:41:30] have no vested interest in developing the community values or relations there

[1:41:35] that that's just their pit stop they just stay here today and they're gone

[1:41:38] tomorrow so that's why we wanted a privacy we wanted you know traffic to be

[1:41:43] maintained as well as a security concerns we raised all that last meeting

[1:41:47] and you know the current proposal they came up with we kind of uh agreed to

[1:41:52] that because you know we know for sure that there is going to something is

[1:41:57] going to happen in the backyard you know and we're not crazy to stop everything

[1:42:01] we we're not asking a single family base uh single family homes all the way to

[1:42:05] the taylor's room now i know it's a fine land road we're not doing that

[1:42:09] but the way this is proposed is not consistent or you know the transition is

[1:42:13] not appropriate and one side it's 16 feet on the glenstone houses now it's

[1:42:18] only six feet or whatever that just explained what today tonight's my

[1:42:23] request from the homeowners association is very simple and straightforward we

[1:42:28] wanted to have the developer maintain the burn consistency across the

[1:42:33] development throughout the development moving the retention point all the way

[1:42:36] to the south side and we have a bill here tonight to speak about the

[1:42:41] retention field if if that retention field is moved to south side

[1:42:45] what are the technical challenges you know then as far as we know

[1:42:49] there are no technical challenge challenges involved in moving the

[1:42:52] retention pond from north to the south probably you

[1:42:56] know we will they'll be compromising on the building number one and you know if

[1:43:00] they maintain the same consistency and the thornberry code they'll be

[1:43:02] compromising on the building number nine and that i'm going to talk about the

[1:43:06] density as well the last time mr silverman companies presented the

[1:43:10] density numbers

[1:43:12] they were taking uh the density of 196 units for the whole entire 17.5 acres

[1:43:18] that is not correct that math is not correct

[1:43:21] 17 point out of 17.5 acres three end of acres is discard for the commercial side

[1:43:26] so they have to take into consideration only that 14 acres land 14 acres divided

[1:43:32] by 192 units that's the density that they need to look at so the density is

[1:43:37] really so high with 196 homes behind our neighborhood if they they can take out

[1:43:42] the building number one and building number nine so that they can move this

[1:43:45] retention part all the way to the south we know for sure the retention point is

[1:43:49] required in the previous meetings silverman companies presented that

[1:43:52] retention fund is required required they kept it kept saying 100 we all know that

[1:43:56] for sure that the retention point is very much required but all we're asking

[1:44:00] is move the retention point towards the south side and maintain the consistency

[1:44:04] across throughout the development that will be a nice transition and and there

[1:44:08] is another 16 acres parcel right next to this

[1:44:11] current proposal i'm sure that that is ready and it's going to be developed

[1:44:15] anytime within no time you know that's ready for that so once this burn height

[1:44:20] and everything is set appropriately consistently across this

[1:44:25] will be the precedence for the next parcel development as well and when we

[1:44:29] are here for the next partial development hearing the meeting will be

[1:44:32] done in 15 minutes and they maintain the same same consistency that's all we are

[1:44:36] asking tonight please maintain the same burn consistency across the development

[1:44:41] so that you know all the glenster neighbors will have the equal uh quality

[1:44:45] of life and equal uh privacy of their families that's the main request here

[1:44:50] tonight and also thinking about the density that density is so high so if

[1:44:55] they can compromise on the building number one and building number nine that

[1:44:58] takes care of the the entire issue so that's all i'm here

[1:45:02] for thank you so much for giving this opportunity

[1:45:06] and um before i leave um i just would like to um give this copies to the

[1:45:11] trustees um because of the covert situation not many people can attend

[1:45:15] this meeting today and of course the lord we have room limitations here as

[1:45:18] well so all the neighbors almost 120 neighbors

[1:45:21] to sign the petition uh um whatever that i just asked for and i would like to

[1:45:27] give this to you and there is a um i mean mr bills bill is our uh building

[1:45:32] inspection engineer he gave a certified copy of

[1:45:36] uh the saying that the retention pond can be moved without any technical

[1:45:40] challenges we have that certified letter here as well and he's been here he's

[1:45:44] been in this field for almost 30 years which is very well expert expert on that

[1:45:48] so i'm going to give this to you thank you so much

[1:45:55] all right next person up is chandra pangalan

[1:46:19] okay

[1:46:36] [Music]

[1:46:52] yes yeah

[1:47:11] is

[1:47:26] i live in 6539 glenn stoneway i've been sworn in earlier today

[1:47:32] thanks uh dear friend trustee signed previously all the board members giving

[1:47:36] us this opportunity are presented in the past but i'm going to present today

[1:47:41] i've heard mr silverman today and in the past so um

[1:47:46] i will i will basically start with the plan the majority of the issues that we

[1:47:50] have right now are because of the light pollution and

[1:47:53] the screening that we have with this road uh i think a

[1:47:58] lot of trustees you have asked us questions uh earlier but i just want to

[1:48:01] add on to your questions earlier from your their presentation

[1:48:06] so looking at this plan

[1:48:12] the looking at this plan the entrance to this is most of the entrance is this one

[1:48:16] so we have about 400 car spaces and then

[1:48:20] this is not clearly presented what's going to come here but i physically

[1:48:24] counted all these parking spaces they come out to be roughly

[1:48:27] 120 so

[1:48:30] for all of these the entrance is this one

[1:48:33] day and night 24 hours they use this space to enter this so what

[1:48:41] so

[1:48:45] so they're going to come using the same entrance to come into that so

[1:48:50] the mound earlier was presented that yeah they're

[1:48:53] going to add a 70 foot width with a nine four to a nine foot mount with a six

[1:48:58] foot uh fence fixed pixel fence on top of it with some more tree coverage which

[1:49:04] i don't know how long it's gonna take grow long power or what but it will take

[1:49:08] some time right so the main concern that we have is these this pond this pond is

[1:49:14] in a terribly worst location that it could be

[1:49:18] for most of the residents beyond that area

[1:49:22] uh i'm going to tell uh go to height

[1:49:25] difference here bring it down

[1:49:30] so so this is this is tylersville road

[1:49:33] sorry i put it in a different angle this is talusville road the future road

[1:49:37] expansion is going to come here so i think earlier one of the

[1:49:41] person has mentioned that the the majority of this is this is this is a

[1:49:45] peak of that land the water is going to come this side right so i measured this

[1:49:50] in a google earth that's about i got it here 266 meter height that which means

[1:49:56] it's that land that piece of land is about 260 feet 66 feet above sea level

[1:50:02] right and then this piece of land here is at

[1:50:06] 263 ps which is my backyard are several other people's back hairs

[1:50:12] 263 so that's about three feet which roughly calculates to 10 10 foot high so

[1:50:18] there is a 10 foot height difference car coming here

[1:50:23] so where is what where is the light gonna go

[1:50:27] right in here into my second floor

[1:50:30] i have a picture of that i'm gonna show that so

[1:50:34] so and then there is a water issue right and then before i go into the next slide

[1:50:39] i'm going to talk about it there is a sick 265 here there is a 265 here there

[1:50:45] is 265 there is not much difference in this entire line in how it is landscaped

[1:50:51] that is from the google earth data which we believe is mostly very one percent

[1:50:56] up to one percent it is accurate okay so the argument of that pod cannot be

[1:51:01] moved anywhere is not technical at all it is purely commercial how much

[1:51:07] building that they wanted to build that's the argument i'm trying to make

[1:51:11] here go to number three

[1:51:15] so so i i just so i had another slide here

[1:51:19] it's actually says 257 but it is that point is little bit but it's 200 i give

[1:51:24] a little bit more to developer this is 262

[1:51:29] right under the swale and the swale is a 20-foot swale which is in under our

[1:51:34] property the rosemont home owner south of station property and earlier the

[1:51:38] developer perspective they are actually down pour all the water into our soil

[1:51:42] which is already a big problem which i already mentioned with the several devil

[1:51:46] field stop department already

[1:51:50] so so

[1:51:53] so and look at

[1:51:55] look at and i just wanted to make up use this slide to talk about something

[1:51:59] else so talking about other neighbors if you look at

[1:52:03] all of these the this is a condominium complex next

[1:52:07] to us this that's the uh west border that's

[1:52:11] the that's the south border everywhere it is

[1:52:14] a 12 foot bomb a 13 foot burn okay and with a tree line

[1:52:21] just

[1:52:23] 12 foot there is nowhere there is a pond if the pond is placed it's right in the

[1:52:28] middle of their property line it's right in the middle of the property line this

[1:52:32] is right these are the homes but there is a street and no property

[1:52:37] line these are the condominiums this is a single family a big tree line with a

[1:52:41] burma but there is

[1:52:44] so the proposal of that pond is not gonna work for us

[1:52:47] okay please next slide number four

[1:52:52] so earlier one of these days i have taken a picture from a tallest wheel

[1:52:56] road driving on my travel spill road this is right on the tylersville road

[1:53:00] okay we know that is the highest spot and actually the highest spot is

[1:53:05] somewhere there but this is little bit one foot one meter down if you from a

[1:53:09] tallest wall it goes higher and then it goes down slowly from here if if i could

[1:53:15] sorry please keep it there keep it there that's fine

[1:53:19] uh from here i can see see the if if i'm standing here my vehicle facing north

[1:53:25] where those are the windows on the second floor you can see that

[1:53:29] because i couldn't go into there without trespassing their property so i took it

[1:53:33] from the street so the light is it's a lot of light pollution

[1:53:38] so the builder has no concern about it

[1:53:41] looks like he was talking about something something screening but

[1:53:45] it will not provide anything for those families it's a it's a 500 vehicle

[1:53:50] traffic not 400 vehicle traffic because of the future

[1:53:54] businesses that's going to come there

[1:53:59] yeah so i would like other opportunity to

[1:54:02] utilize here so this is the very very building the

[1:54:06] building we are sitting here okay so

[1:54:09] see this is where we are right now this is where we are

[1:54:14] this is the this is the i think this building was built later on

[1:54:17] after this this single family home this is that this is a mound of 12 feet

[1:54:24] or something look at the tree line

[1:54:27] yes tree line takes long time to build but

[1:54:30] they have used 70 foot plus another 20 foot or something 20 25 foot and it's a

[1:54:35] big tree line there is no pond nothing here if the pond were to build build

[1:54:40] somewhere else so this is the kind of view we like if there is a light

[1:54:44] it will never pass through this that is a screen that we will have

[1:54:56] so yeah earlier today earlier today

[1:55:00] that i think we were playing with my son was playing with it it's not to scale

[1:55:04] but this is this is our uh this is our backyard sitting on our deck

[1:55:10] see the light coming in that's the view we have

[1:55:14] would you want me to have that kind of a view 24 hours in a day the lights

[1:55:19] headlights coming in this is building one this is only six foot mount this

[1:55:23] tree will take up to 10 years 20 years to grow to block that

[1:55:28] so after 20 years i am going to face this light 24 hours a day

[1:55:32] that's not that's not fair that's not i signed in so i'm going back to my single

[1:55:37] family argument the single family we signed up this home after checking with

[1:55:41] haifa deerfield township and we purchased this land

[1:55:44] hoping that one day this something will come and that something will be single

[1:55:48] family home and they will have kids so all 360 side degrees of my home there

[1:55:52] will be single family families living kids living

[1:55:56] but here the developer is doing a a plan which is uh

[1:56:01] empty nesters and young families probably less kids according to this

[1:56:05] statistic they'll be only having 0.2 per home or something like

[1:56:10] 20 so we are already missing out something

[1:56:14] right so that is something that we are trying to give to the developer we

[1:56:17] worked with him he worked with us we met them we met him many times

[1:56:22] not me personally but our hr members and other people met them personally spoke

[1:56:26] about this very issue me and my wife spoke to mr silverman right in this bill

[1:56:31] in this room after the end of the previous meeting and we talked to talk

[1:56:35] to him about this issue so this is the issue i mean i you could physically see

[1:56:39] this what's what's the issue there right there

[1:56:43] so this is this plan as is it's not going to work

[1:56:48] the density had to be reduced the building had to go away that's what my

[1:56:51] request is so that everyone is it will work for everyone and uh

[1:56:57] yeah my my greatest hope is to get a feel family but something had to come

[1:57:02] there and after all this we are tired we cannot come like 20 times uh every year

[1:57:08] for these kind of meetings we don't have time we have families to raise so

[1:57:12] so we would like to work with them and then that is that is

[1:57:16] the option like actually this the light if you see it

[1:57:21] anywhere if the mound is to build the mound height of the entire plot this

[1:57:27] this is where it need to be higher like 12 feet 13 feet plus a six

[1:57:31] foot wall plus big trees this is where it is required more

[1:57:36] if you if you if you look at the statistics and the data that we i i just

[1:57:40] showed and the the issue the one more issue i

[1:57:44] would like to bring actually i've shown a video

[1:57:47] now we have heard from bayern i think from bayer and decker

[1:57:53] sorry if i get the wrong name wrong so the water the content of the water where

[1:57:57] it's gonna come it's gonna come into the soil that we made we're hardly trying to

[1:58:01] maintain this is this is a difficult job actually i would like to play that video

[1:58:05] if that is possible uh

[1:58:08] yeah so yeah that's an old video

[1:58:14] yeah let's put it

[1:58:27] yeah so that's the water that's one of those

[1:58:30] someday this this kind of a water is going and it's very hard for us to

[1:58:34] manage and i cannot imagine another 7 to 10 acres of water will come and join

[1:58:40] somewhere here and that i our homeowners all of us have to maintain this water

[1:58:46] there is lot of erosion happening there's a lot of um um

[1:58:51] and like insects and everything is growing

[1:58:53] because i i've actually personally paid money to repair it many times but

[1:58:59] nothing will uh stay because the force of the water is so heavy that

[1:59:04] i have given up now i'm i need help from county or deerfield township to take

[1:59:08] care of that issue because that's that's not possible

[1:59:12] and now adding another seven liters of water and it's going to come very fast

[1:59:17] that's that's not going that's the problem will be increased even more

[1:59:21] and i will give my wife to say uh add on to what you said thank you

[1:59:26] hey ma'am if you just give your name and confirm the fact that you've been sworn

[1:59:29] in

[1:59:39] yeah my name is malawi panyala 6539 glenstone way

[1:59:44] and everything that my husband has said and

[1:59:48] raj said and i think other homeowners are going to speak about that

[1:59:53] but this is like the full image that we see

[1:59:57] right expanding what my husband was trying in terms of light pollution but

[2:00:02] the variability of how that mound would look

[2:00:06] from our backyards right the light the the the building one

[2:00:11] apartment complex um you know we did we weren't we're not

[2:00:16] as technologically savvy

[2:00:19] to do all this cool imagery but a pond there right

[2:00:25] and then all of that variation that we have to see every single day

[2:00:30] and i want to show this our kids

[2:00:36] [Music]

[2:00:50] letters to the government to listen to them

[2:00:59] you're doing fine so

[2:01:02] you know outside of all the technical

[2:01:06] things that my husband and everybody here is talking about think about all

[2:01:11] our kids what they're losing with not having other kids to play with

[2:01:17] on the other side that they were hoping to have

[2:01:20] and you know there is this big huge construction over there you know however

[2:01:25] long that's going to take right uh we're being promised some kind of tree line

[2:01:30] which you know i have never seen like a 20

[2:01:34] foot tree planted anywhere as a new development those are typically three to

[2:01:38] five feet and i would like to ask like how many years should i wait to have

[2:01:43] some kind of privacy in my backyard that i have today that i'm gonna lose so

[2:01:48] these people can make more money off of this property

[2:01:52] so it makes it a very sad miserable place for us to live

[2:01:58] and that's all i want to say thank you so

[2:02:03] uh sorry for that i just want to add one more thing the rental property and

[2:02:06] everything was mentioned earlier by silverman and their

[2:02:10] supporters of this group are they from their group so i have another

[2:02:14] research done by university of colorado it says the rental within one five mile

[2:02:19] of sold home and negative have a negative impact on the price of the

[2:02:23] existing home however they said the value of the homes about one mile down

[2:02:29] will increase but we our property rosemont is within

[2:02:33] half mile or within one by fourth mile so that means it's directly

[2:02:38] reducing the value of our home where they are making money

[2:02:42] who's benefiting it so i would like to have you um providing

[2:02:46] this small accept that method from the internet thank you yeah

[2:02:51] and then if you look at the document like some pictures earlier um

[2:02:57] that

[2:02:59] it's actually

[2:03:04] so this one if you if we leave this uh

[2:03:09] without not much of the bomb we now we establish this this is very high right

[2:03:14] we we know a person here this is about a peak of a high height a person at the

[2:03:18] swimming pool person in this room person at a second floor standing on this

[2:03:22] balcony have a direct view of what's happening

[2:03:25] in my back here so there's no privacy everywhere they

[2:03:29] can see they can see people here people people from here can see it because

[2:03:33] there is no burn or anything there is no privacy

[2:03:36] so if

[2:03:39] and we don't know we don't know how they are mean they never interact with us

[2:03:42] they are not single family owners we all come from uh rental background many

[2:03:46] years we saved our money we purchased home

[2:03:49] uh in a nice neighborhood thinking this would be but that's not good that looks

[2:03:53] like that may or may not happen i don't know but it's all in your hand um

[2:03:59] respected trustees so so i want to mention that as well so

[2:04:04] this this prop this having this is definitely ruin privacy and the lighting

[2:04:09] and everything and our sleep in the night

[2:04:11] with the light with the lights yeah thank you thank you

[2:04:16] sorry there was one clarification to make my life

[2:04:29] my my son who is a high schooler he made those images dress and he had to

[2:04:35] do school homework but he's watching on the live stream and

[2:04:40] he wanted to correct something my husband said that the image was not the

[2:04:44] skill and there is a video to show how

[2:04:48] they measured it and that that six foot wall and the view that we see from our

[2:04:53] deck is absolutely too scale and he wanted me to tell that

[2:04:58] he just texted me to clarify that for all of you

[2:05:02] thank you and there is a video we can provide less how we measure it thank you

[2:05:07] thank you

[2:05:18] all right next up i've got um regender cinderella

[2:05:26] my preemptive apologies for any mispronunciation i know you got it

[2:05:41] i just like to let you guys know we've got the most advanced purifiers in the

[2:05:45] world in this room you see them on the walls so if you want to take your mask

[2:05:49] off and take a break or whatever this hair is purified to 99 percent something

[2:05:53] kills everything you couldn't get sick in here if you

[2:05:56] lift the ground don't lick the ground and we're not right i just wanted to

[2:06:09] glenn stoneway i've been sworn in

[2:06:12] i've been a resident of david township for the last 22 years

[2:06:16] i'm sorry that's all right thank you sir

[2:06:19] yeah i've been resident of deerfield township for the last 22 years

[2:06:23] i take pride in staying deerfield township

[2:06:26] and i agree with all my neighbors i mean

[2:06:30] this plan you cannot approve please don't put your names to this up

[2:06:34] this plan don't let's not leave this to this plan to our kids and grandkids

[2:06:40] you know if i have to give you an example of any zoning board

[2:06:43] modifications i don't have to give anything else our own deerfield township

[2:06:48] stood up to walmart and the team of lawyers

[2:06:51] they came up with every excuse when they were building the walmart but you guys

[2:06:56] stood that's why i'm so grateful for you guys

[2:06:59] you guys too stood against walmart and the lawyers now when we drive on wilkins

[2:07:04] boulevard thanks to your efforts the residents of long co

[2:07:08] don't see anything of walmart from this side there's a huge wall and the

[2:07:13] boundary was moved away from wilkins boulevard and whenever i drive there i

[2:07:18] say thanks to dear friends that's why time and time again when i came here i

[2:07:23] always thank you guys you have done it and again now if you approve this plan

[2:07:29] when anybody drives on rhinestone way this has like to look to think about it

[2:07:33] walmart you build whole wall this will be like half off

[2:07:38] half side of the residence will have privacy

[2:07:42] protection from light sound and all kinds of privacy issues

[2:07:46] either have will not think about it

[2:07:49] and this will stay forever and your name will be attached to this one please

[2:07:55] let's not do this let's not approve this i don't because and our neighbors have

[2:07:59] already spoken about all this i don't want to

[2:08:02] stress more and the on this one as shaker mentioned

[2:08:07] there's only one entrance to this development that is from tylersville and

[2:08:11] the lights are coming straight to these three buildings

[2:08:14] and the six-fit boundary will not fix it in fact if

[2:08:19] anybody will have more privacy that should be these buildings the mount

[2:08:23] should be higher on this side of the wall on this fire this side of the

[2:08:26] development not the other side and so therefore please do not approve

[2:08:31] this plan and that's all i have to say thank you

[2:08:34] very much

[2:08:37] next person's bill turner

[2:08:53] hello my name is bill turner i live at 675 park avenue

[2:08:58] i've been sworn in

[2:09:02] i am building inspection engineers i'm a licensed engineer in ohio and

[2:09:07] kentucky and my

[2:09:09] experience is building engineering

[2:09:13] i work on sites i work on buildings and the rosemont folks have asked me to

[2:09:18] come and look at their situation

[2:09:21] and see if maybe there are any options you've heard a lot of

[2:09:26] uh stories about how this is probably not

[2:09:30] going to work but let's look at how maybe it can work if we make some

[2:09:34] changes the folks from baron becker have talked

[2:09:39] about the ponds okay

[2:09:42] and because baron becker is involved this is an engineered pond

[2:09:46] okay this isn't somebody out in brown county getting a dozer out digging

[2:09:52] a hole in the backyard and calling it a pond

[2:09:56] this is an engineered pond it has a specific shape it has a specific size it

[2:10:01] has a specific depth

[2:10:04] right and because of that i want to walk up to the picture here a

[2:10:08] little bit

[2:10:22] i want to look at this area here

[2:10:25] okay and what's left thicker now

[2:10:35] oh thank you those things hit the red button okay

[2:10:40] okay

[2:10:46] there it is now this this pond right here

[2:10:50] okay is a third of an acre in size because there's probably some lots in

[2:10:55] deerfield township that aren't much bigger than that

[2:10:59] or even that size so what that is is a big body of water

[2:11:04] okay that could be moved to a safer place

[2:11:07] the concept of continuing this boundary all the way across

[2:11:14] is very important i think we heard mr silverman say a

[2:11:19] little earlier that the number of kids

[2:11:23] in the neighborhood is over three times what they are

[2:11:27] in an apartment complex all right

[2:11:31] so i want to kind of think about that a minute as i leave

[2:11:35] because all those neighborhoods don't have fences back

[2:11:39] there okay they have children that play out

[2:11:42] there right and now you're building this big

[2:11:46] pond right next to where everybody plays

[2:11:50] and i just want to think about what is the risk

[2:11:53] of one child

[2:12:04] next up is jeffrey wu

[2:12:11] oh jeffrey maybe i can call names again at the end

[2:12:15] or maybe it was here last time but not this but

[2:12:17] we'll go to the next name then so we've got

[2:12:20] daru barely

[2:12:29] [Music]

[2:12:41] hello everyone i am drew borelli i am a sixth grader at

[2:12:46] mi thank you for your time i

[2:12:51] really do not approve of this because me and my friends we play a lot in our

[2:12:56] backyards exactly where we play is where the pawn

[2:13:00] is going to be built now when we have the pawn it's going to

[2:13:03] be very unsafe for us to play so we won't i have anything to do and

[2:13:08] it's going to be extremely unsafe thank you

[2:13:12] mr verily were you sworn know in everything you just said true

[2:13:17] yes good enough

[2:13:21] thanks for coming uh we'll go to the next i have robbie

[2:13:25] toptop

[2:13:42] i'm ravi tata i already sworn in uh i live in 65 55 glenn stoneman mason

[2:13:49] ryo45040

[2:13:52] uh i strongly object because we have some serious concerns on

[2:13:58] the proposed plan uh as we are directly impacted one of

[2:14:01] the families directly impacted i stayed right besides that retention

[2:14:07] point so

[2:14:09] we are that impacted so i have

[2:14:13] to tell like two major concerns one is a retention pond

[2:14:19] because of health and safety reasons

[2:14:23] because retention pond obviously

[2:14:27] you'll have a lot of insects mosquitoes which comes along

[2:14:31] with that and which is which is there right at the edge of my backyard so that

[2:14:36] is one concern and other thing is like the privacy so as you see this road

[2:14:42] and building one and building three they have a direct view and there is no

[2:14:46] absolutely no screen uh towards our backyard

[2:14:50] so that is the another major concern i have

[2:14:56] i have two sons who plays soccer uh most of the times they practice at

[2:15:01] the backyard along with other neighboring kids having a retention pond

[2:15:06] their we have that safety concerns as i uh

[2:15:10] already mentioned uh and also

[2:15:14] uh the privacy like the building three and building one so

[2:15:18] even though there is a burn across the other side but where it is exactly

[2:15:21] needed right when you see this road the traffic coming there

[2:15:26] that is the way actually you need to have

[2:15:30] if you if you need to have any screening that's where it should be there

[2:15:34] but as you can see there is no springing there

[2:15:36] and that is the concern what i have

[2:15:39] so basically we are compromised on our privacy

[2:15:43] and health and safety issues because of retention pond

[2:15:47] so that's all the things i wanted to say and i agree with my neighbors

[2:15:51] that to keep it consistent the berm should be extended all the way across

[2:15:55] if not this plant should be rejected thank you

[2:16:01] all right i'm gonna struggle here i think it's penmanship issues though

[2:16:06] but um maybe [Music]

[2:16:10] palm trees yeah

[2:16:27] hello everyone my name

[2:16:30] five one five grand is at means foreign

[2:16:33] i've spoken several certain times before and the board of uh the previous coming

[2:16:39] to equal where they were they struck me off saying that traffic isn't their

[2:16:43] concern and i have to deal with butler and warren counties but that has that

[2:16:47] has been my concern all the way because i'm a working mom and in the mornings we

[2:16:51] already have four traffic lights in 0.9 months and we are introducing almost 290

[2:16:58] some apartments which will i think approximately

[2:17:01] increase the number of cars to at least 500 because every household is two cars

[2:17:06] at least um that's that has been my concern i know there have been some

[2:17:11] traffic studies that mr silverman has provided

[2:17:14] but they've been only looking at taylor's law

[2:17:17] with the roundabout we already have so much of traffic on glenstone bay and

[2:17:23] with covet i don't know how valid this traffic stories are honestly um and

[2:17:27] nobody is actually looking at um sunny drive and glenstone for any of the

[2:17:32] traffic studies so that's like the sad point

[2:17:34] um one other thing that i was really really worried about is definitely the

[2:17:39] pond there um i'm not hit but i want everybody to be

[2:17:46] the same way i am especially in one glenstone way where everybody is as safe

[2:17:51] because my kids do run with the pond um so

[2:17:54] please extend the bill all the way through that's all we are

[2:17:59] asking for and please try to reduce the density all working moms will definitely

[2:18:04] definitely correlate with me and they feel the pain in the morning i don't

[2:18:09] know more about the dads but moms do because it's it's a joke in the morning

[2:18:14] every day and 0.9 miles four traffic lights and i actually presented several

[2:18:19] studies as to how the burn to bumper-to-bumper traffic actually

[2:18:24] increases accidents and i actually propose i actually showed the studies

[2:18:29] where i think the accidents went up like at least

[2:18:33] 23 percent if not more in since 2016 since when people have

[2:18:39] started dwelling more and more into our communities

[2:18:44] so please consider both of them please think about the density and how many

[2:18:49] people you're introducing say that empty nesters um in fact when i

[2:18:54] when i said that there were at least 500 cars i was cut shot saying oh no they

[2:18:59] walk and i'm like seriously there's no

[2:19:03] companies in a vicinity of 0.6 months

[2:19:08] around that dwelling so you expect everybody to jog or walk to work in the

[2:19:12] mornings and they're not driving and so they're not increasing the traffic

[2:19:16] because that's the answer i got so please think about it and please

[2:19:20] please extend the boom thank you thank you

[2:19:24] the next person is kashore kalikiri

[2:19:47] mess in ohio

[2:19:50] it feels like the same thing we are saying over and over again um

[2:19:54] the reason we are doing that is because with the last meeting we had

[2:19:58] um they kind of got confused the builders that is that we were all over

[2:20:02] the place so

[2:20:04] we wanna i wanna say again that i reject this proposal without any

[2:20:09] modifications as is i won't reject um

[2:20:13] they have been really hell bent on um that

[2:20:18] the retention pond there and one of the main reasons is

[2:20:22] because of what the one of their own said

[2:20:25] without sacrificing the major portion of the plan

[2:20:29] we cannot move the retention point and that's the reason they don't want to

[2:20:33] admit it maybe it was slip of tongue that

[2:20:36] the the pawn specialist spoke that's in his own words all we are asking for is

[2:20:42] more modern detergent which means um at the cost of sacrificing building one

[2:20:47] which they don't want to and i think my friends have already said given

[2:20:51] enough examples and slides that i don't want to get into that

[2:20:54] um the other part is um in the last seven years um

[2:20:59] in western one investigation one in uh mason two toddlers have died

[2:21:05] in the neighborhood uh swimming pools or the ponds um not swimming pools actually

[2:21:10] i correct honestly uncorrected retention ponds two of them died one just a mile

[2:21:14] and a half during kobe time uh up on snyder road

[2:21:19] so that happened so i and i have a six year old

[2:21:22] right at that age prime and i've been friends with those panialas

[2:21:26] and the other people and that's where my son runs every every evening can i go

[2:21:30] there and play can i go there and play and i always drop him off and come back

[2:21:34] and pick him up i can't do that anymore my wife would kill me that means all of

[2:21:38] my evenings are sacrificed you know i myself am a part-time realtor and one of

[2:21:42] the other things they said oh my god i can't find the place

[2:21:46] kishore call me 513-666-1259 i will find a place for you

[2:21:50] and i will do a damn good job thank you sir were you sworn into yes i was thank

[2:21:56] you

[2:22:01] delete burelli

[2:22:18] my name is uh deliberately 6587 glenstone way mason ohio four five zero

[2:22:24] four zero and that makes one so um

[2:22:29] first you know it's been a long hearing and uh i thank you all for your patience

[2:22:33] particularly the staff and

[2:22:37] when i

[2:22:40] was i lived in philadelphia and i

[2:22:43] was looking to live where i could live in the country

[2:22:46] okay that's not like philadelphia i interviewed i'm i'm a physician

[2:22:52] uh god's grace i have the ability to find a job where i want

[2:22:57] i went out looking all across the country and then i said you know what

[2:23:01] i'm going to find columbia misery which is in

[2:23:06] a small town we lived there and then we thought maybe it's too small

[2:23:10] so it kind of like wanted us a field that's not

[2:23:14] like a city like a big city but something

[2:23:17] that where i can raise my kids

[2:23:21] driving on believe me we were literally driving all the way to

[2:23:26] florida to for to to look at a practice

[2:23:31] i stopped by here at the exit

[2:23:34] and then we researched the place looking then we found out we saw we have some

[2:23:38] friends here wow

[2:23:40] and then that made us extend the stay we liked the place after interviewing then

[2:23:45] i said you know what maybe this is the place

[2:23:48] when i chose to live in this area i did not have a

[2:23:52] job i did not have a job

[2:23:55] i thought you know what i'm going to find a job if not then i'm going to

[2:23:59] start a practice what attracted me

[2:24:03] was the community what attracted me is the kid-friendly

[2:24:08] nature what attracted me is when i was driving and it said mason the seventh

[2:24:13] best place to live and the reasons behind being

[2:24:17] the kids what comes around the kids i have two boys

[2:24:23] 10 and 14. this evening

[2:24:28] i've heard excellent data presented today

[2:24:32] selling apartment homes

[2:24:35] unfortunately there is no one here to speak for

[2:24:39] who wants single family homes we all live yes we live we start an

[2:24:45] apartment that is what we grow into but we come and live in single family homes

[2:24:50] that is where children you're looking at the data i'm seeing data being presented

[2:24:55] let's reduce the number of kids

[2:24:59] where are we heading what direction are we heading

[2:25:03] he has shown a data that clearly says that if you have single family homes you

[2:25:07] have more kids and then if you have homes like this you

[2:25:11] can have we are not here to reduce the number of kids in the community

[2:25:16] we have built up a great school system that this county has that this city has

[2:25:21] to make more children that ability to live here to become more productive in

[2:25:26] their life we want to be able to do that and that

[2:25:29] kind of like really really hurt me tonight that there is data being

[2:25:32] presented that let's not have more children

[2:25:38] it really hurts the basic roots of why we are

[2:25:42] trying to create communities it's not all about money

[2:25:47] and tonight last time i presented a slide he showed

[2:25:51] excellent data as to how this place could be a great multi-family

[2:25:57] neighborhood honestly you know what we don't need

[2:26:01] that data we can just walk through drive through the city most of the

[2:26:05] apartments are 80 90 full okay

[2:26:09] that data is enough to say that yes we need something

[2:26:14] but not to convert a single family home into

[2:26:17] something like this you

[2:26:22] for some reason somehow somewhere came up with this illusion saying that this

[2:26:26] land is not suitable for single family homes

[2:26:30] i presented why

[2:26:33] you drive east you drive west on tylersville there is homes there is

[2:26:37] single family homes that back onto tylersville there is people living on

[2:26:41] tylersville so find another reason as to why we should change the zoning

[2:26:46] not to say that this is not suitable for single family homes let's find another

[2:26:50] reason let's find another reason that makes it really worthwhile to consider

[2:26:55] but not that reason and if you drive either way on these

[2:26:59] homes the prices are no less

[2:27:02] the price of these homes are great they have not reduced in value they are

[2:27:08] not reduced it's not you know what something

[2:27:11] what does it what makes it unsafe one of the apartment communities that

[2:27:16] this developer built the grand stone i can i could take the picture from his

[2:27:22] own presentation the living room of that apartment is

[2:27:25] literally within 15 feet from the wilkins boulevard

[2:27:30] if if a car drives in rams into their into the apartment it will go straight

[2:27:37] into their living room so let's find another reason as to why

[2:27:42] this area is not suitable for single family i mean why why you why we want to

[2:27:47] change it and i looked at this the what what comes

[2:27:52] up what they wanted to do with this one and i mentioned the word greed

[2:27:58] and everyone has the right to enjoy their property

[2:28:02] what you get for the property comes with what that property can do

[2:28:08] so time to time we see people want to change you know i could have a land in

[2:28:13] the middle of nowhere or what but i wanted to get the most use possible so

[2:28:17] it gets the most economic value it doesn't necessarily mean that that is

[2:28:22] good for the community or it is good for the neighbors around and that is where

[2:28:28] you guys have the ability to judge

[2:28:31] trying to balance what this community what this development brings to the

[2:28:36] neighborhood

[2:28:39] townships are in existence for a reason and that is to create keep a character

[2:28:45] not just by changing the shape of the building i you know i call this like a

[2:28:50] farmhouse architecture farmhouse has a lot more you know we don't want farm

[2:28:54] house but at the same time we don't want apartments to look at look like farmers

[2:28:58] and say that this is hormones so let's go back to trying to address

[2:29:05] some of the very specific questions that come

[2:29:09] with regards to this particular development

[2:29:14] there's a lot of data that's been presented on the previous

[2:29:19] and the zoning committee that heard this obviously

[2:29:26] data is something that is i'm a physician i look at data every day

[2:29:32] when some company comes and says i want to sell this drug i tend to think

[2:29:37] critically as to what kind of like i don't just look at the conclusion i look

[2:29:42] into the data what kind of patients they chose how did they characterize the

[2:29:46] patients how did they differentiate the patients

[2:29:49] because conclusion is always what the company wants if i read the

[2:29:55] conclusion it biases me i look at the data and i start to criticize the data

[2:30:01] okay so

[2:30:03] people presented the data on how it will influence traffic and and how it can

[2:30:07] influence the uh the price values and exactly here's what is the data that you

[2:30:13] know he presented one of the paper was from 2005.

[2:30:18] you know how many things have happened in the world since 2005.

[2:30:22] one of the other papers that he presented on crime was from 1996

[2:30:26] you know how the demographics and everything have changed now i'm not

[2:30:30] saying i'm not saying the facts of but what i'm saying is you pick the paper

[2:30:34] you pick the data that you like and try to present and make conclusions out of

[2:30:38] it and it is clearly i think we need someone who will listen

[2:30:43] who will think to the depth of what we are thinking through

[2:30:48] and this is the time

[2:30:51] and if we go on

[2:30:54] back in 2015 they presented this

[2:31:00] of doing something over there it was a long hearing

[2:31:05] and if you look at that they said

[2:31:09] four things would make this not worth one

[2:31:13] the intensity of the development two they mentioned the retention pawn

[2:31:18] three they mentioned the easements three of those

[2:31:23] and then he came up with the plan originally i'm

[2:31:26] thinking what is this that someone is trying to buy this land and i looked at

[2:31:32] the price and it's like

[2:31:34] 4 million 4.2 million of course you know if if someone could pay me like 250 200

[2:31:41] dollars for an acre that's a great price but it comes with the cost it comes with

[2:31:45] changing something it comes with asking for something from the community okay

[2:31:49] and that's exactly what's happening here and that's exactly why

[2:31:52] this land has been deemed not suitable for single family because i'll tell you

[2:31:57] what if you can put single families on this one and they will sell in

[2:32:02] in a month there are developers who walked into this saying that they will

[2:32:06] build single family homes but you know what was it no one can

[2:32:10] build a single family home at 250 000 dollars an acre and make money on it so

[2:32:15] it's a it's a ridiculous price that you're asking but then you're trying to

[2:32:19] get that price by trying to find someone like him who will come up bully us

[2:32:23] everybody and try to get what they want you know

[2:32:27] why i call it bully because back in 15 for the very same reasons the board has

[2:32:33] rejected this plan meaning it's not apartments but they

[2:32:37] talked about intensity they talked about the easement on the back they talked

[2:32:40] about the pond and then they said anyone doing this should first try to

[2:32:45] involve the neighborhood community and try to

[2:32:48] come up with a plan and at some point

[2:32:52] in 2015 without involvement of the neighborhood

[2:32:56] plan this land was changed to mixed use

[2:33:02] what kind of democracy are we talking about

[2:33:05] if we didn't have an issue before that said

[2:33:08] please do this when the board of trustees have said this is a specific

[2:33:12] concern do this in spite of that that did not happen

[2:33:17] behind the doors in the closed doors they made a change

[2:33:20] to this neighborhood and called it this will be mixed use

[2:33:25] and here we are that there is a plan in our in front of

[2:33:29] us that's exactly the same with the same concerns like it was before

[2:33:36] i said when i met him once i told him you know what

[2:33:40] there are you know we really want to make this work

[2:33:43] there are some technical issues that we probably won't agree with but you know

[2:33:48] what we are just residents over there there are some concerns that i have as a

[2:33:53] citizen of the township and there are some concerns that i have as a

[2:33:56] neighborhood as a citizen

[2:33:59] i'm going to leave that to you i'm going to because you guys have i

[2:34:03] would trust that you have the best vision for the township

[2:34:07] i would trust that you would have the ability to think critically to

[2:34:12] balance between what the developer wants what the owner wants and what we can

[2:34:17] give them i'll leave that to you

[2:34:19] but my idea of a mixed unit development

[2:34:23] is something like this mixed unit developments came up with the

[2:34:28] idea most municipalities have started using mixed unit developments in the

[2:34:31] last 10 years and then if they came up with something

[2:34:35] like that as you all know to create some kind of like a flexibility in the plan

[2:34:39] that you could do that something comes up in the neighborhood that gives to the

[2:34:43] community that takes from the community it could be used to revitalize some

[2:34:48] communities where maybe something could be done better to

[2:34:53] improve the lives of people around it not just for people within that and that

[2:34:58] is the reason why mixed-use communities came up

[2:35:01] it also came up with the idea to let's improve more walkability to amenities

[2:35:08] including work where is a word here that someone can go

[2:35:13] to walk without a car do you feel one we agree you come on

[2:35:18] this side you walk you have so many restaurants there

[2:35:23] typically what you have and my our our

[2:35:26] neighborhood already walks there's a yogurt place there's a drug mod

[2:35:30] and that's it there's a couple restaurants

[2:35:33] that's not going to be a good reason to say that this is a mixed unit never good

[2:35:39] leave alone the fact that what does this give to the community around it i mean

[2:35:42] you better put we don't even know what's coming up there

[2:35:46] in those three or three commercial spaces

[2:35:48] so i'm going to leave that to your expertise to decide on all of that

[2:35:54] but i'm going to focus on the specifics that concern to me as a resident of that

[2:35:59] neighborhood okay

[2:36:03] that is density

[2:36:06] density and density that is the core problem of why they are

[2:36:12] not able to move that pawn why they are not able to increase that burn and it is

[2:36:16] all around density if this vent project went and said hey

[2:36:21] you know what i want this as a multi-family

[2:36:24] development or eight done we would all be fine eight units per acre done

[2:36:30] in the disguise of a pud they want to get more units out of it

[2:36:35] how is this how is this fair that in in right into your face they are trying to

[2:36:40] kind of like come in a disguise cheat and say that this is what it is

[2:36:45] please please don't let this happen okay and

[2:36:49] the numbers that are presented i've i've uh i let another speaker

[2:36:54] speak for that who's done extensive research on the

[2:36:58] number of units in each of these developments across the townfield town

[2:37:03] across the deerfield township and

[2:37:06] how this relates to that this is an extremely more dense and

[2:37:11] i mean i'm just curious as to the three most this will be the third most dense

[2:37:16] and all of those three will come from the same developer no other developer

[2:37:20] was able to get some such a density this is the same developer who will get the

[2:37:24] third most density

[2:37:29] why and how how is that possible

[2:37:32] okay and going to the specifics

[2:37:37] going to the specifics of the plan okay

[2:37:40] the pond is a concern the pond is a concern to

[2:37:44] say that we can't move the pawn and this is what i even this even the zoning mode

[2:37:49] mentioned has this so here's the conversation

[2:37:53] do we have to have a pawn okay gentleman came up to speak

[2:37:59] the pond is not a hole we know it's not a hole please give some respect

[2:38:04] we are talking if the pawn has to be there

[2:38:07] sight size shape surface and location has to be decided

[2:38:12] by the engineers it's not a retention pond is an

[2:38:16] engineered pond that means the engineer can drive it depending on where it ought

[2:38:20] to be placed i had a small piece of land that i went

[2:38:24] to mason city on three acres of kingsmill and i said

[2:38:28] you know what let's do this plan okay you know how many times we moved

[2:38:32] that pawn uh the retention point on that on that property

[2:38:38] ultimately duke energy came back and said no you can't put a pawn right next

[2:38:42] to my okay we moved it again it's the engineer's challenge it's not impossible

[2:38:47] it's a challenge there are people putting

[2:38:50] retention points under parking lots there's not so you have a will to do it

[2:38:55] you have a way to do it okay

[2:38:58] in this one in this particular we had two issues one is that burn there and

[2:39:04] then how that burn is not extending onto the building nine okay

[2:39:09] that gentleman that who bought that home he bought that home as part of this

[2:39:13] recently he had no idea what was coming there and you have like big apartments

[2:39:17] sitting there right in front sir i'm gonna respectfully cut you off

[2:39:22] i i just have one i just have one more minute okay please

[2:39:27] please this is this is the tenth time we are coming in here

[2:39:30] i understand please just take one more minute

[2:39:34] so the

[2:39:37] that's that's we can move that pawn anywhere so with all respect to john

[2:39:41] from bearbecker he is well respected he knows the truth and that's why he said

[2:39:46] yes and off note i want to mention i had a

[2:39:49] conversation with him and i begged him i told him

[2:39:54] this could be the major issue if you can please work on that one i think we are

[2:39:59] just willing to ignore and give up on anything else

[2:40:03] no sensitivity to the issue came back with the same proposal same plan

[2:40:10] okay so please i'm just trying to highlight all the

[2:40:14] discrepancies in this okay but that's mostly to for you to decide because i

[2:40:19] think there's no better judge than uh and then knowledge person with regards

[2:40:23] to this than you but that pond has to move out there is a way

[2:40:29] and we can do it if we want to come up with ideas we will give ideas but we can

[2:40:33] do it thank you very much thank you

[2:40:37] all right next up is cerini karen

[2:40:53] um

[2:41:04] i'm sorry other side

[2:41:28] uh i'll just pull this to the right or

[2:41:32] something

[2:42:01] good evening my name is srini karanam i live on 6578

[2:42:07] glamstone awareness and ohio i've been swan and

[2:42:11] but there are a couple of points that i want

[2:42:14] to highlight from the staff memo

[2:42:18] probably y'all have seen the types of staff my mom

[2:42:23] so if you turn to page nine there is a mention about the density

[2:42:30] and several speakers thought about the density

[2:42:33] but i want to just highlight a couple of things

[2:42:39] that doesn't look right the way the density was calculated

[2:42:44] um the total site area is 17.58 acres

[2:42:50] so out of 17.58 14.7

[2:42:55] is used for the residential of the multi family and the remaining 2.8 acres for

[2:43:00] the commercial

[2:43:03] and for the whole development is the

[2:43:06] developer is building 196 units so that way

[2:43:12] as a layman the way the density i look at it is

[2:43:15] take the number of units which is 196 and take the accuracy which is 14.7

[2:43:22] then 196 divided by 14.7

[2:43:27] that gives to 13.3

[2:43:31] but in his calculation i think all these calculations are occurred with the

[2:43:35] developer but for the developer he took the whole

[2:43:39] 17.5 acres for computing the density that's the reason he got 11.14

[2:43:47] because he totals 17 acres but if you take only 40 acres the

[2:43:53] density is 13.3

[2:43:57] so the intensity capital is completely wrong the way he presented

[2:44:01] is trying to bring down the number so that it looks good on the paper

[2:44:06] same thing with the net density so net densities basically take 14.7

[2:44:12] acres take out 30 percent of the land

[2:44:16] which is 9.56 acres and then take 196x divided by 9.56

[2:44:24] which comes to 20.5 and whereas this number is 17.15

[2:44:32] so if it's a twenty point one five twenty point five

[2:44:36] that should trigger automatic denial for the whole proposal

[2:44:41] because based on the comprehensive plan the maximum the developer can have is

[2:44:46] only 20 units per acre

[2:44:50] and it can vary from eight to twenty that's how it says

[2:44:53] but you'll take the highest number so it can be

[2:44:56] eight it could be twenty but even like you have been talked about even if you

[2:44:59] take 20 it still is more than 20 it's 20.5

[2:45:03] so as is the density is really really high

[2:45:12] there is another slide on page 11 and the staff member

[2:45:17] so here there is a comparison of all the

[2:45:21] developments done in the last 10 years

[2:45:25] they're not totally used if you look at these numbers

[2:45:30] so if you if we take the first half they were all done

[2:45:35] probably 70 maybe 10 years ago we look at the densities

[2:45:40] the first one hundreds it's a the grass is four and net is five

[2:45:45] point nine nine next one is six point eight seven for

[2:45:48] eleven point two seven if liquidus number they're really small they're all

[2:45:52] less than ten but if you look at the second half

[2:45:57] so and some of these are actually living so if you look at

[2:46:01] the americas with the density 31.89

[2:46:06] so comparing assistant living with the apartments is now is not

[2:46:11] like comparing apples with oranges it's not a true comparison

[2:46:15] because i still live in saddam if they're done like a hotel it's just like

[2:46:19] one room but there

[2:46:22] is said living with the multi-family document

[2:46:27] and if you look at the next one which is the grand stone

[2:46:31] he said it's a three-story building they said

[2:46:35] order is 32 but you should say three story run is surrounded by commercial

[2:46:40] they don't know how there are no single company homes about operating against

[2:46:44] the property there's nothing right next floor

[2:46:48] surround surrounded by commercial and the next one is the the latitude

[2:46:54] which is actually a four story

[2:46:58] and there are a bunch of registered living

[2:47:02] and for this proposed development is 11.14 and 17.15

[2:47:07] and it's a two-story so there are no other two-story

[2:47:12] developments within tirified mason area with this kind of density

[2:47:17] this will be if it is approved this will be the highest dense ever

[2:47:22] in the default ownership

[2:47:27] so please please reduce the density is too high

[2:47:33] and i just i want to point out some demographics

[2:47:36] uh we all live in mason some of them live in mexico and deerfield

[2:47:41] and uh it's a peaceful animation they're so

[2:47:44] intermingled so we don't even know whether you are

[2:47:47] amazing or different when you are driving down you aren't measuring your

[2:47:50] individual medicine but for us for most of the time it looks

[2:47:55] very similar masonry is very similar but if you look at closely

[2:47:59] they are not you look at the city of mason

[2:48:03] 17 square miles it has a population of 30 31

[2:48:08] 39 people and for the deer field it's a 16 square

[2:48:13] miles the population of 38

[2:48:17] 217. if you look at the density

[2:48:22] mason city has 1724

[2:48:26] people per square mile whereas

[2:48:30] built with township has 2388

[2:48:37] so deal field is 38.5 almost 40 percent more

[2:48:43] dense than medicine so when i looked at these numbers it

[2:48:47] didn't make sense to me because medicine is a city and israel is a township

[2:48:52] being in a township we need to preserve the small town

[2:49:02] is supposed to be like a countryside living

[2:49:06] more green spaces more bigger bigger package that's how it

[2:49:10] should be but the way

[2:49:13] we are moving we are moving in the wrong direction so

[2:49:17] why mason city why we are more than than medicine

[2:49:21] is because there are more i will show you there's

[2:49:25] another slide

[2:49:28] just by adding but generally if you take this kind of proposal

[2:49:32] so it's proposing 196 units and if you take two

[2:49:36] people uh two persons in an apartment so we're

[2:49:40] adding 392 people just with this development

[2:49:44] alone so that will make

[2:49:47] deerfield 39.97

[2:49:51] more dense the meson this this development just

[2:49:55] this alone will add 1.5 percent to the density

[2:50:01] so we need to cut down the density so if we cut down the density

[2:50:06] that will solve all the problems we can achieve the burn

[2:50:11] if you take out the buildings 109 that will take out 20

[2:50:16] for i think each one is 11 years it will be back at 20 minutes

[2:50:20] then that will bring down the density to decent levels like 11 i think 11 inch

[2:50:24] per acre if you do the math right so if you cut off the density if you

[2:50:29] take out building 109 then that will provide enough room

[2:50:34] to accept the bomb all the way and move the pawn

[2:50:39] to the south of the after the lot

[2:50:43] and also the same kind of burn uh along the town bearing

[2:50:49] that should take on all the problems if you if you can cut out the undead stream

[2:50:56] and the developer has been saying this about the developer has been saying that

[2:50:59] we cannot move upon technically it has to be there

[2:51:03] but look at the proposal back in 2014 there was another developer

[2:51:08] came up with a similar kind of proposal

[2:51:11] see we had a party it's not in the corner

[2:51:15] it's right in the middle so

[2:51:19] if it is not possible if the topography is such a way that it hasn't been the

[2:51:23] corner how can the other developer could do

[2:51:27] with the pond in the middle of the middle of that lot

[2:51:32] and even this feminist our engineer he generally said if the pond can be

[2:51:36] moved anywhere this engineered part is not a natural pond it's engineered

[2:51:40] you're going to dig it up while doing this development there's a

[2:51:43] lot of that moving around so you can just put it anywhere you want

[2:51:47] the only reason they don't want to move it

[2:51:49] just because they are going to lose the building

[2:51:52] it's just the economic reason that nothing's technical nothing engineering

[2:51:55] challenge is just they don't want to lose the

[2:51:58] building that's the bottom line

[2:52:03] so this is our request so please

[2:52:07] extend the bend continuous all the way across

[2:52:13] nine feet bent plus foot fence minimum

[2:52:17] and the second brings reduce the density by eliminating buildings one on nine

[2:52:24] so but those two are kind of regulated if you take a

[2:52:36] all right next person up is [Music]

[2:52:45] you got it okay

[2:53:04] yes

[2:53:28] hello um my name is patna khan city i'm arrested in downhill 6493 gladstone lake

[2:53:35] um

[2:53:38] i just moved maybe like three or four months ago from cherry group community

[2:53:43] which is one of the best communities to live in mason

[2:53:46] um and i choose to move towards one because i know it is a

[2:53:51] one of the best communities to raise my kids i am online strongly and this

[2:53:56] development is directly impacting my decision to move for my kids

[2:54:01] um there are a lot of things that were said

[2:54:04] um by my friends and you know all the people here but i really want to bring

[2:54:09] your attention to some of the deviations that this plan has that somehow has been

[2:54:14] overlooked um to approve this by the zoning committee

[2:54:18] um the first deviation is the mixed-use density there's so much density numbers

[2:54:24] that 17 density uh du uh per dwelling units per acre

[2:54:29] it's it's it's probably wrong with the changes that they made but it's still

[2:54:32] not eight volume units per acreage as for the um

[2:54:37] zoning resolution document if you see the b under mixed views uh if you see

[2:54:43] the section b the maximum residential density is eight volume units for april

[2:54:48] and that has been completely overlooked i would like you to seriously take into

[2:54:53] that uh consideration please uh the next one is as for the comprehensive plan

[2:54:59] page 41 existing context it clearly states that a mixed use characteristic

[2:55:05] of a mixed use is it has to incorporate landscape buffer between the commercial

[2:55:12] and multi-family residential if that's what the builder wants to do and it is

[2:55:17] in the writing and you know it is

[2:55:20] it is the existing context that is the context of the mixed mixed use

[2:55:24] development and that has been completely ignored there is no buffering

[2:55:29] within the bud like there is no buffering that is where it is supposed

[2:55:33] to be um between the apartments and the commercial as for the

[2:55:38] recommendation of the comprehensive plan that has been

[2:55:42] completely overlooked um

[2:55:46] i'll go straight to the commercial development when it comes to density you

[2:55:50] know although the planning you know

[2:55:54] even all the numbers they are taking into

[2:55:57] consideration the whole lot that includes the commercial area right

[2:56:02] but when it when we are talking about the parking and all of that you know

[2:56:07] they did address the residential because we did raise that question last time

[2:56:11] they were short and then they they did something and they changed the

[2:56:15] plan and they came to two parking lots as per the

[2:56:19] recommendation by um zoning resolution but the commercial development it is

[2:56:24] still not at risk i don't know why that that is not being even talked about but

[2:56:30] if you calculate if i do the math right this has been

[2:56:33] even presented in the uh other meetings but you should do the

[2:56:37] math um with the approved uh uh

[2:56:42] businesses that might come into those um even mr silverman said it could be a

[2:56:47] restaurant or a healthcare facility healthcare facility actually needs 300

[2:56:52] parking spaces okay and i was conservative and i took

[2:56:57] one parking space for 200 square feet of the commercial

[2:57:02] development they are at 85 provided right now and they are

[2:57:07] short of 35 i am not sure where they plan to do that and are we going to

[2:57:13] allow uh developments to come in with such a shortage of parking especially

[2:57:18] when you want people to come into those commercial facilities when you want

[2:57:23] everything to be wiped there's no parking where are the people going to go

[2:57:27] nowhere they are not going to come because they know that the the roads are

[2:57:31] jam-packed there's no parking anywhere around and i i really don't know why

[2:57:36] this has been just overlooked conveniently

[2:57:40] uh this is the this is the table that i used to kind of uh uh get the data uh

[2:57:46] for my um uh for the previous slide and as i said

[2:57:50] uh from the parking spaces that uh uh that are uh given in the uh document um

[2:57:58] the average comes out to be two one parking space for 200

[2:58:02] um square foot development and

[2:58:06] another one is um if i see the parking spaces okay this is

[2:58:13] again from um i believe the zooming resolution document

[2:58:17] 8.0.7 b landscaping screening and the landscaping eye links in between the

[2:58:23] parking spaces i don't know again this has been completely overlooked i don't

[2:58:27] see enough landscaping islands uh this is one of the thing that um dfir

[2:58:33] recommends to keep that um you know even landscaping and screening is intended to

[2:58:39] soften the appearance of large uh it's kind of parking areas you can read that

[2:58:43] but it it is recommending it it wants no

[2:58:47] more than 15 parking spaces shall be located continuously in a row but if you

[2:58:52] can closely look at the parking spaces that they design and they

[2:58:56] came up with that's that's completely overlooked as well um

[2:59:00] we we have a density crunch again you know my calculation is probably based on

[2:59:05] a previous proposal but it is not eight it is not a dwelling units for apric it

[2:59:11] is still a free this plan is not at eight dwelling units per acre still

[2:59:16] approved commercial parking we are short of 35 still approved landscape buffers

[2:59:21] within uh the pud completely ignored still approved no um enough

[2:59:29] landscaping in between the parking spaces still approved i really want you

[2:59:34] to take a closer look at all these that are actually there in the zoning

[2:59:39] resolution document that's there in the um comprehensive plan you know if if you

[2:59:45] want uh somebody to build something to the core values of deerfield they will

[2:59:51] have to follow all of these right that's that's the intent of the documentation

[2:59:55] that you guys work hard to prepare and uh

[2:59:58] you know again the data that they presented as my friend uh

[3:00:03] um delete mentioned and shrini mentioned um

[3:00:09] it is all based on the data that is you know 96

[3:00:13] 2005 copied last one and a half year it brought everything upside down right you

[3:00:19] know there's so much changes people want single family because they don't want to

[3:00:23] be in closed areas where they there may be more exposure people are dying to buy

[3:00:28] homes right now in mason single family homes there's a huge line for people who

[3:00:34] want to buy you know it's like everybody is working from home they need more

[3:00:38] space they have you know there is a chance that people kids might be doing

[3:00:42] remote again you know think about if people

[3:00:45] crammed in in 1200 or 1500 square foot area no people want space they there is

[3:00:51] a huge market for single family homes so i did not understand what is the need uh

[3:00:58] you know we cannot compare data from long back we have to compare what is

[3:01:02] there what is the requirement right now that's all i have to say i see i

[3:01:08] sincerely request um the trustee poor to give a serious contribution to the

[3:01:14] deviations that were allowed for this

[3:01:18] plan and it was somehow approved uh thank you

[3:01:22] very much next up is a non-condo

[3:01:46] do you want to map or anything up just just

[3:02:14] here

[3:02:19] um i live at six five zero england stoneway i think swarning

[3:02:23] i'm part of the hoa board for rosemont south and uh i know a lot of our

[3:02:28] neighbors and colleagues have spoken about different things you know they

[3:02:33] presented a lot of data but the core of uh

[3:02:38] the issue that we wanted to the hoa board wanted to present was two items

[3:02:44] one is reduced density you know from the existing

[3:02:48] net density of 17.1 to something closer to

[3:02:52] 11 or 10 and the second issue was

[3:02:56] to maintain the consistent uh barrier you know between the existing single

[3:03:01] family homes and uh the future development

[3:03:05] and these two items are interrelated you know when we say reduce the density it

[3:03:10] goes hand in hand you know why are we worried about density you know is

[3:03:14] because it ties up into our issue of the burn not being consistent

[3:03:19] okay as a hitchhike board member

[3:03:22] and representing all the 100 plus families you know that about

[3:03:26] the property we are very clear and consistent you

[3:03:29] know all we are asking for is two things reduce the density and

[3:03:35] have a consistent barrier between the single family homes existing single

[3:03:40] family homes and future development and mr silverman is a very good

[3:03:45] salesperson and we have seen this in the zoning board meeting where

[3:03:49] his acquisition manager you know twisted the things and you know when we were

[3:03:53] very clearly saying that please move the retention pond you know they were

[3:03:56] consistently saying prediction point is a must you know we need to have it same

[3:04:00] thing they were trying to do today you know they were saying i heard mr suman

[3:04:04] silverman say you know there's no difference between having a nine foot

[3:04:08] berm you know for most of the property and having a six feet five seconds on

[3:04:13] top of it compared to having a six feet uh berm and eight feet

[3:04:18] uh privacy fence on top of it right next to the retention pond so why don't we do

[3:04:24] the same thing you know why don't you put a 14 feet privacy fence

[3:04:28] why can't we do it it just doesn't make any sense

[3:04:31] and you know mr silverman say was showing that his development you know is

[3:04:36] having like 250 feet of buffer between the um

[3:04:42] concrete structure you know our buildings and their concrete structures

[3:04:45] and he was showing how lens was only 215 feet

[3:04:49] again they're twisting facts here you know there is no retention pawn between

[3:04:53] our our close bone south and villains and same thing again you know they uh

[3:04:58] said about the retention pond um [Music]

[3:05:01] yeah so those were the things that i wanted to mention and

[3:05:06] we understand that

[3:05:08] the trustees you know you have to make a decision keeping

[3:05:13] the greater good of uh the township in mind but we also want

[3:05:17] you to make sure that whatever decision you make should be in

[3:05:22] the best interest of our neighborhood that is advertising the property and

[3:05:28] please ensure that the nine feet berm and the six feet

[3:05:33] privacy fence on top of it goes all the way from

[3:05:37] north west of the property to the south west of uh

[3:05:43] north east to northwest uh you know the whole perimeter you know and

[3:05:48] like our other um neighbors have mentioned if you reduce the density all

[3:05:54] we have to do is get rid of building one and building nine and that will address

[3:05:59] they burn and like

[3:06:02] the speaker before me mentioned you know the future commercial not having enough

[3:06:06] parking spaces you know you cannot you cannot create land from thin air you

[3:06:10] know tomorrow when they come back to you and we raise the question of where is

[3:06:14] the parking for commercial where are we going to get it from

[3:06:17] we can address it today by reducing the density where he'll have

[3:06:21] more land you know to take care of future issues

[3:06:23] um with that i conclude thank you

[3:06:45] i have been sworn in my name is anne ball i live at 6863 tylersville road i

[3:06:52] am not in the community rosemont i have been a resident of deerfield

[3:06:58] township all my life my husband and i live in my on my

[3:07:03] family's farm what's left of it in a foreign house

[3:07:08] that has been there for nearly 200 years um

[3:07:13] i'm going to talk about this from a little different perspective

[3:07:18] obviously i've lived here all my life something's going to go on that piece of

[3:07:24] property it probably will be this

[3:07:28] development most of you probably know that mr lawson

[3:07:32] has passed away bonnie passed away a while ago

[3:07:37] so the next piece of property that belongs to them will be

[3:07:42] here soon i'm sure talking about something going there

[3:07:49] you have an opportunity to

[3:07:53] make tylersville something different than what it currently is

[3:07:58] and i know everybody thinks that tylersville is a major thoroughfare

[3:08:02] which it is i live on it i have to get in and out of

[3:08:07] it i have lived there all my life

[3:08:12] i was there in a two-lane road i didn't used to be able to see down to the

[3:08:18] intersection of snyder road or 42.

[3:08:23] with all the changes that have been happened have gone on

[3:08:28] we now have light that comes at our property and i have a two-story

[3:08:33] home and

[3:08:37] so i'm going to say to you when you put the new lights and that new

[3:08:43] load that that new

[3:08:47] the new development that's going to impact us

[3:08:52] again we live there we do have farm equipment that still comes in and out of

[3:08:56] our property and we are one voice to many others and and i'm not saying

[3:09:03] the other issues aren't an issue

[3:09:07] and what i'm going to say to you is not

[3:09:10] going to change it but i want you to think about this

[3:09:13] we have to get in and out of our property sometimes there's accidents and

[3:09:17] we can't get in and out of our driveway so

[3:09:22] there's going to be another light the timing of that light with the timing

[3:09:27] of the light that's at butler warren and tylersville and then the timing of the

[3:09:31] light that's down at snyder will impact us

[3:09:34] so i'm going to say make decision what you're going to do but realize that

[3:09:39] another 200 cars or whatever doesn't seem much because you don't live there

[3:09:45] and there could be more with with whatever but

[3:09:50] that timing does impact somebody that light impacts somebody the other

[3:09:56] thing is that commercial will impact us and it bothers me that it's a different

[3:10:02] paradigm then that's why you can't talk about what's going to be there and the

[3:10:07] decision after you okay this commercial is going to be in phase two i've lived a

[3:10:13] pod the pud across the road from us it was all supposed to be one-story

[3:10:18] buildings guess what after the pud was approved they put a

[3:10:23] two-story bank down at the corner yes that impacted us

[3:10:28] it changed the line of sight that we had that was free before and would have been

[3:10:35] still free and clear but they put a two story building down

[3:10:40] there that's going to possibly happen here

[3:10:44] depending on what the use is i'm sorry not having a plan with what's going that

[3:10:50] commercial is going to look like you have a better plan an idea what's

[3:10:56] going to be there if there's interest in it already there already has to be some

[3:11:01] ability to say what those buildings are going to be and what and i understand in

[3:11:07] previous meetings that they're going to be one

[3:11:10] story i don't feel comfortable that once you approve this that phase two

[3:11:15] something's not going to change it oh we want to put such and such there and it's

[3:11:19] going to be a two-story building and the lighting

[3:11:24] it does impact us it has changed i mean we can see

[3:11:31] the the the lighting for the signs that you know

[3:11:35] change it's not just a light with a you know a sign whatever down at snyder road

[3:11:41] we can see that at night so

[3:11:45] you have an opportunity with what you allow to be there and

[3:11:51] what's going to come next and i have to say the neighborhood

[3:11:57] the pd that's across from us the neighborhood that was behind them they

[3:12:02] fought it because there was going to be a 24 hour there was going to be a

[3:12:06] restaurant and a bar there that

[3:12:09] that residential community didn't want that because they didn't want 24

[3:12:14] you know our um you know in

[3:12:18] traffic and all of that luckily that's the one thing about that pud it's a type

[3:12:23] of

[3:12:26] offices that people are there like eight to five whatever

[3:12:31] who knows it's just more but you've got the opportunity to change the impact and

[3:12:36] make tylersville road look

[3:12:40] not like colerain avenue and i know that most people think it already does

[3:12:46] but you can change it you can change it and i understand all

[3:12:51] the things that the the rosemont residents are saying and i would be

[3:12:57] upset with that myself something will go there

[3:13:01] and when you own a piece of property you do have the right to sell it

[3:13:06] believe me i wish that i could say that my property will never be something else

[3:13:12] but progress is on toll is this what it's

[3:13:16] what it is i wish it was what it was 60 years ago when it was farm and my

[3:13:23] nearest neighbor was where the lawson's property was and that

[3:13:29] actually was my grandmother's family's property at one time but it's going to

[3:13:34] change and

[3:13:36] i appreciate your time and

[3:13:40] but just realize there is a resident on tylersville room

[3:13:45] and what you do on those properties impacts someone else too

[3:13:51] thank you so much miss paul one second i just one second if you could just walk

[3:13:55] back um i just wanted you to know we do have a new zone that we're introducing

[3:14:00] into our zoning code that protects property like yours for residents who

[3:14:04] feel the exact same way that you feel and they don't want their land turned

[3:14:07] into something down the road so i'll have somebody from the township reach

[3:14:11] out to you directly for some more information about that and that gives

[3:14:14] you a lot more freedom to protect your land

[3:14:18] thank you for a few bucks i'll take the land and the cows because i think your

[3:14:22] property is amazing but i'll have somebody from the township regionalities

[3:14:25] i i appreciate that and actually thank thank goodness there are things called

[3:14:30] ag districts of which we're a part of that also helps us and i'll put in a

[3:14:36] little plug that's another reason that we have to maintain cauv as well

[3:14:41] so that people can maintain their properties and have agriculture and

[3:14:47] green space is not agriculture green space is not is not what everybody

[3:14:53] claims that it is so but i do appreciate that thank you so

[3:14:57] much about that

[3:15:00] all right the last thing i have is just to recall jeffrey wu from earlier i'm

[3:15:04] not sure

[3:15:13] thank you everyone

[3:15:27] but i do want to thank you all for coming up and speaking i know

[3:15:30] it's not always easy and it's always

[3:15:36] groups you're spending your entire evening with us which is

[3:15:39] i'm sure there's things that would much rather have been doing on your tuesday

[3:15:42] nights or your monday nights that you spent coming with zoning commission

[3:15:44] meetings so i want to thank you very sincerely for that

[3:15:48] um if that said would you guys like

[3:15:52] the application you know and address some of the things okay would you mind

[3:15:59] thank you

[3:16:02] oh let me just

[3:16:06] what you could lift that mic up to you yeah

[3:16:10] everyone hear me okay so

[3:16:16] you know we we've embarked on this process

[3:16:19] january february is when we submit our original plan

[3:16:23] and um you know

[3:16:26] we as a developer sincerely put our best foot forward

[3:16:31] in everything that we do we have sincerely throughout these proceedings

[3:16:36] and a couple meetings

[3:16:40] with rosemont south hoa outside of formal governmental proceedings

[3:16:45] have listened to concerns

[3:16:48] and had made best efforts to address concerns

[3:16:52] and there's several things that i heard tonight

[3:16:55] that i need i absolutely need to readdress because as a developer

[3:17:01] we have to stand up here and make sure all of our eyes are dotted

[3:17:05] and all of our t's are crossed and there's just some things that i

[3:17:11] think really need to be reiterated and

[3:17:15] driven home there's a lot of conversation and dialogue tonight

[3:17:20] about the pond the pond at the northwest corner of the

[3:17:24] site this would be a pond there's two types

[3:17:27] of detention dry basins and wet basins

[3:17:31] most people prefer wet basins because it's an aesthetic amenity they look nice

[3:17:38] we typically aerate our ponds so um if you've ever noticed say for

[3:17:43] example the pond in front of mercy uh medical office building on mason

[3:17:47] montgomery road you know we we own that pond we put a big fountain there to keep

[3:17:51] the water flowing and to try to cut down on

[3:17:54] bugs and geese and everything else

[3:17:58] so long cove is a great example i mean

[3:18:03] long cove is a pretty flat piece of ground and

[3:18:07] a bunch of wet detention pond basins became a real amenity

[3:18:12] i think it's really important to point out i was looking at google earth

[3:18:16] on my phone before i just want to make sure you're all

[3:18:19] aware that there are wet detention ponds in the rosemont south subdivision

[3:18:24] um i don't i don't think i have access to

[3:18:27] google earth on this laptop or i'd show you but if you go to google earth and

[3:18:31] you look at the rosemont south subdivision there are detention ponds

[3:18:35] they are wet they appear to be wet basins so they're ponds and

[3:18:39] many homes back right up to these ponds early on

[3:18:44] first zoning commission meeting we heard concerns about safety we took those

[3:18:50] concerns very seriously so i just want to reiterate that

[3:18:55] we have proposed or committed to

[3:19:00] a a six-foot privacy fence behind north of the pond so to keep

[3:19:07] people out so people can't accidentally stumble into the pond

[3:19:11] and then and also it's it's a visual buffer between

[3:19:15] the neighbors to the north and this this development and then if you see here

[3:19:18] there's a 45 degree angle that that is in a uh northeasterly southwesterly

[3:19:26] direction that as well would be a six foot high

[3:19:29] privacy fence then when it gets down on our property so heading south along our

[3:19:34] western property line heading back east south of the pond and back up this way

[3:19:39] there we're proposing a a four foot high fence it's more of the type of safety

[3:19:44] fence that you would see around a swimming pool which

[3:19:46] you know i think that's the whole reason that swimming pools are fenced and we're

[3:19:50] proposing the same kind of fence there so

[3:19:52] in terms of safety of a detention basin

[3:19:57] i believe we've addressed that i don't believe that the ponds in rosemont south

[3:20:00] have safety fencing around them detention ponds i mean i've been

[3:20:06] doing this for quite a while now i i mean detention ponds are

[3:20:10] necessary the reason that we have ponds is so as

[3:20:14] john touched on earlier that the the rate of storm water leaving our

[3:20:20] site post development

[3:20:25] is equal roughly equal to the amount that's leaving the site

[3:20:29] pre-development the pond is here for

[3:20:34] folks that are downstream for their benefit

[3:20:37] i mean that that's why it's there we have to hold water in in meter

[3:20:42] you know the water leaving our site meter it in terms of just you know we

[3:20:46] have to let it let it leave our site at a certain rate i think that's i think

[3:20:50] that's an important point to make

[3:20:55] i'd like to explain the berm again that we're proposing

[3:20:59] behind the pond because i

[3:21:02] you know i've listened to people speak this evening

[3:21:06] and i'm not sure that there's and maybe maybe

[3:21:12] it's our fault for not explaining it well but

[3:21:16] the the visual impact and the

[3:21:21] buffering that the mound provides this berm north of the pond

[3:21:26] is going to provide the same

[3:21:29] visual buffer so here here's kind of a cross

[3:21:33] section of what we call the mouth this is the mound that traverses up most of

[3:21:39] the northern property line as mentioned earlier the mound is nine

[3:21:43] feet in height at the peak it's 70 feet wide

[3:21:48] and there's a six foot high privacy fence on top so a nine foot mound plus a

[3:21:53] six foot privacy fence that's 15 feet the top of the fence is 15 feet

[3:21:59] from roughly from the elevation and our northern property line

[3:22:03] there's a three to one slope here on the northern

[3:22:06] uh side of the mound we're proposing

[3:22:10] plantings just to visually provide some visual screening from the from the

[3:22:15] privacy fence so that's what we are calling the mount

[3:22:20] then if we flip forward a few slides

[3:22:24] um we can see

[3:22:27] what we're proposing north of the mount so i'm sorry north of

[3:22:31] the pond so the mound that i just showed you the cross section of is here

[3:22:34] and then it it it's it extends east west along most of the site but when you get

[3:22:39] to this last section of the property in the northwest corner

[3:22:45] we simply don't have room to do the full amount but

[3:22:49] we call it a berm it's essentially half of a mound and and if you're standing

[3:22:54] once again at our northern property line the visual impact is with is from with

[3:22:59] what we're proposing is with is within one foot

[3:23:03] one foot of what we're proposing for the mound so

[3:23:07] we've got a three to one slope looks very similar to

[3:23:11] the three to one slope here

[3:23:15] that mount height i believe is about six feet and then on top of that

[3:23:19] we have an eight foot high privacy fence to get to 14 feet

[3:23:23] it's within approximately one foot um and once again we're proposing to

[3:23:29] provide plantings on this northern face of this berm to provide the same kind of

[3:23:35] screening so people don't have to look at the privacy fence i think the concern

[3:23:41] about light spillage from the headlights i think

[3:23:45] i i mean i don't i think john del vernon didn't even bear becker and and i just

[3:23:50] want to say bear becker's been in business for 60 years this is a very

[3:23:54] reputable civil engineering firm

[3:23:58] they're very very good at what they do and they've provided engineering for

[3:24:03] you know developments of all different sizes all

[3:24:07] throughout greater cincinnati northern kentucky and

[3:24:10] indiana as well so but

[3:24:14] you know john gave the the elevations from kind

[3:24:18] of the intersection of fireside drive and and we don't believe that light

[3:24:22] spillage um is going to be any concern whatsoever

[3:24:26] for the residents north of here due to the graves due to this berm due to the

[3:24:31] fence on top of the berm um so i wanted to run through that again

[3:24:36] i also um i heard concerns about traffic tonight

[3:24:41] and i i sometimes feel like when we address

[3:24:44] one issue

[3:24:47] uh there's people that get up and stand up and go back

[3:24:52] to their original position in other words we heard a lot of feedback early

[3:24:55] on in the zenith commission meetings

[3:24:58] that that the rosemont south neighbors did not

[3:25:02] unequivocally did not want a connection point

[3:25:05] from this development to thornberry court

[3:25:08] here let me let me move back

[3:25:12] okay they did not want this connection point

[3:25:16] they thought it would

[3:25:19] cause traffic and in their subdivision which

[3:25:23] you know i think the only time somebody visiting uh

[3:25:28] a store here or living here would would drive there would be maybe if they had a

[3:25:32] friend or family member that lived there but but that was a real concern

[3:25:36] and so the warren county engineers office agreed to just allow this to be

[3:25:42] emergency access only gated access that a typical vehicle

[3:25:47] is not going to be able to get from this this side of the gate to thornbury court

[3:25:52] and then tonight we hear people concern

[3:25:55] that we only have one point of access but so

[3:25:59] we heard the concerns loud and clear about this and then tonight we hear well

[3:26:04] now we only have one point of access so i mean

[3:26:06] you know we're doing our best to solve issues but but but then

[3:26:11] you know i hear a lot of kind of changing

[3:26:16] people changing their positions the same thing applies to school there

[3:26:20] was a lot there was a lot of commentary

[3:26:24] from concerned neighbors about the impacts that this would have to the

[3:26:27] school district concerns about mason schools it's getting crowded so we

[3:26:32] provided facts that show the proof that our apartment communities

[3:26:37] in deerfield township are hardly adding any strain to the schools but but adding

[3:26:42] a significant amount of school of revenue for the schools so in

[3:26:47] increasing the buffer and eliminating the town homes which are three bedroom

[3:26:51] units those were the most likely to attract maybe school-age kids um you

[3:26:56] know we thought we were solving a couple issues one providing a

[3:27:00] much more robust buffer and two getting rid of 70 bedrooms and then

[3:27:05] tonight we hear a lot about

[3:27:08] well there's not going to be any kids living here but early on at the zenith

[3:27:11] commission meetings that's that's a big part of what we heard was oh there's

[3:27:15] going to be all these you're adding you know 196 units and there's going to be

[3:27:18] all these kids and mason schools requesting at the seams so i wanted to

[3:27:23] point that out um

[3:27:26] i also want to make it clear i think the board probably knows this but i just

[3:27:30] want to make it clear to everybody here tonight

[3:27:32] we were not the developer that proposed the plan back in 2014. i

[3:27:37] just want to make that unequivocally clear i don't even know who the

[3:27:40] developer was and i don't really think that plans at all germane to anything

[3:27:44] we're discussing tonight because in 2014 the vision for 2035 landings plan wasn't

[3:27:51] even adopted it wasn't adopted in 2014 so that

[3:27:55] developer i'm not sure if there's a landing's

[3:27:58] planned before that but that developer even either went in with without any

[3:28:02] kind of guide or went in with

[3:28:05] you know maybe with looking at the prior land use plan but

[3:28:10] the vision for for 2035 which is the current landings plan was not adopted

[3:28:15] until 2015. as a developer we have an appreciation for how much time effort

[3:28:20] money communities spent on their comprehensive

[3:28:23] plan on their landings plan for us that's our guide

[3:28:28] i mean staff takes it seriously developers take

[3:28:32] it seriously because that is our guide that is our roadmap

[3:28:36] to to uh guide us to make sure that we're presenting something that is

[3:28:41] consistent with the township's uh desires

[3:28:45] uh vis-a-vis our land use plan and

[3:28:49] there are this plan is absolutely consistent

[3:28:54] with the land use plan i think you have an excellent staff here

[3:28:58] i think the staff report laid out many of the consistencies we

[3:29:03] laid out many of the consistencies this evening this plant has received support

[3:29:07] from the warren county regional planning commission unanimous support from the

[3:29:11] deerfield township zoning commission and every step of the way

[3:29:15] every board that's reviewed this has felt

[3:29:18] strongly that this plan is in fact consistent with the land display

[3:29:23] um

[3:29:26] a couple other points i'd like to make somebody mentioned the

[3:29:31] showed a graphic or a site plan of the previous plan from 2014

[3:29:36] and showed the pond the pond

[3:29:39] was at the north right on the northern property line in the 2014 plan

[3:29:44] it was moved over a little bit but

[3:29:47] generally in the same vicinity i mean it was it was there it was maybe right here

[3:29:52] instead of right here but it was right on the northern property line it wasn't

[3:29:56] down here it was it was right up here

[3:30:00] so i want to make that point um

[3:30:05] you know i just i want to correct some factual error somebody made a comparison

[3:30:09] to the grandstand which was located on wilkins boulevard and said something to

[3:30:14] the effect that cars could just drive right into somebody's living room i mean

[3:30:20] the fact is there's a retaining wall along the entire east face of the

[3:30:25] grandstand of wilkins boulevard so i mean i i just you know we

[3:30:30] we always have to get up and state facts and be very careful of facts and i you

[3:30:34] know i i just i want to point that out because it's just factually untrue

[3:30:39] you know if you listen to that individual you think that the grandstone

[3:30:42] is on grade with wilkins boulevard people can just you know drive their car

[3:30:45] right in it's not it sits it sits above grade it sits

[3:30:49] enough above grade that there's a fairly significant retaining wall there so i

[3:30:53] just wanted to make that point um somebody mentioned that during covet

[3:30:58] there's no more demand for for apartments um

[3:31:05] we have found that uh the reality is

[3:31:09] diametrically opposite of that um the demand that we've seen at one deerfield

[3:31:14] which opened last year we are now 100 lease i mean

[3:31:18] the the amount of applications that we have seen at one deerfield over the last

[3:31:23] six months is astounding it's it's better than anything we've seen during

[3:31:28] the best leasing months of a non-pandemic

[3:31:30] year so while uh

[3:31:33] you know it simply wasn't a factual statement there there's a lot of demand

[3:31:37] for apartments we see companies in the deerfield

[3:31:41] township area hiring all the time we see people transferring in with with with

[3:31:45] jobs you know honeywell intelligrated png is doing a

[3:31:50] lot of hiring so it simply was was just not a true

[3:31:54] statement um

[3:31:58] i think uh the one last thing i want to point out is

[3:32:02] two last things the green space once again i just i want to reiterate we have

[3:32:06] almost 40 percent green space open space

[3:32:11] um would you

[3:32:13] choose your your terminology but

[3:32:16] i mean i'm sorry that's that's that's the old plan let me go flip back to the

[3:32:22] newer plan

[3:32:33] and one of the zoning commission members made the comment they didn't think

[3:32:36] they'd ever seen a plan come through deerfield township

[3:32:39] with 40 open space

[3:32:42] 40 and and

[3:32:45] which far exceeds the township requirement and then uh 48

[3:32:49] of that of that open space is active open space so we

[3:32:53] have these huge green areas these are not insignificant and these areas are

[3:32:58] you know 70 80 feet wide

[3:33:01] this buffer is very significant there is a lot of open space

[3:33:06] within this proposed plan and then lastly i just want to talk about

[3:33:11] the density because

[3:33:14] i think staff did a really good job with this this slide i don't think i can get

[3:33:18] it up here but basically

[3:33:22] the township used to uh calculate density on a gross density basis

[3:33:26] and and then something changed and now it's on a net

[3:33:30] density basis i mean basically when i mean as far as the impact it's exactly

[3:33:37] the same so take grantstone for example when grandstone went through the

[3:33:41] township was still looking at things on a gross density basis

[3:33:45] grandstone is 122 units on 5.4 acres that's 22.59 units per acre

[3:33:51] and but now if you look at it net density

[3:33:56] it's 33 units in acres so it's but but the impact of the

[3:34:00] grandstand didn't change on paper suddenly it went from 22 units an acre

[3:34:04] to 33 units an acre but nothing changed it's not generating more traffic now

[3:34:09] it's it's numbers on a piece of paper um

[3:34:12] and and you know

[3:34:15] this proposal is is half as dense in the grandstone and in it either way you look

[3:34:20] at it whether you want to look at it on a gross density or net density

[3:34:24] it's of a lower density than deerfield springs district of deerfield latitude

[3:34:29] grandstone and it's it's comparable to nantucket

[3:34:34] so i mean my contention is in our content is that it's really not it's not

[3:34:39] very dense and there's a lot of green space and there's a very robust buffer

[3:34:44] and um you know just

[3:34:47] when the township went from a gross density calculation to a net density

[3:34:52] everything in the township got more dense i mean

[3:34:55] every every every community every every development got more dance

[3:34:59] but that doesn't mean the impacts have

[3:35:02] have been enhanced or or are more severe now so

[3:35:07] um appreciate the additional time and um we're certainly here i don't know if

[3:35:12] anyone else from our team wants to get up and say anything but we're here to

[3:35:15] answer any questions that you might have can i have one

[3:35:20] 15 seconds to get you over we're done

[3:35:25] [Music]

[3:36:04] this will be my last warning to you

[3:36:11] thank you

[3:36:15] all right we need to make

[3:36:33] sister to close the public comment portion of this that's my hotel yeah

[3:36:38] yes mr sicily yes all right all right you know i may go ahead you

[3:36:44] guys are free to watch during this portion of the prototype portion of this

[3:36:47] is over the whole concept of due process is allowing everyone an opportunity to

[3:36:52] speak and then it also allows the opportunity for the applicant to get up

[3:36:57] and say anything in their butt anything that was said before that once that's

[3:37:01] done you're allowed to participate by watching but you're not allowed to

[3:37:04] participate by by talking so they'll deliberate

[3:37:08] publicly and then they'll come to a decision but this can't be a process

[3:37:12] where whatever they have to say you all want to say yes but this that'll be it i

[3:37:16] definitely get the propensity as a resident or an applicant

[3:37:20] for one to do that it was very important i'll be very

[3:37:23] um insistent on the fact the fact that this is now their job to do without

[3:37:29] additional input thank you

[3:37:35] thank you sure so

[3:37:41] you want to start

[3:37:45] well i think that clearly

[3:37:48] zone changes are the most important thing that we do this is a change

[3:37:55] so you have to be willing to look at that

[3:37:58] map and think that yes i need to change the zone on this and all of these

[3:38:02] reasons we're compelling enough to do it there's a lot of compelling reasons but

[3:38:07] is it enough it doesn't line up with

[3:38:11] changing the color on the map for the zone

[3:38:16] and that's really something we have to unpack because we have a lot of

[3:38:19] information here but the one thing that i keep coming

[3:38:23] back to is growth management growth management for

[3:38:28] advancement this is what we all ran on smart development

[3:38:34] so i've driven up and down tylersville a million times in the past decade

[3:38:38] i can't tell you how many times since this case has been coming before

[3:38:42] the only commission there's houses there's single family houses all up and

[3:38:45] down tylersville there's single family houses all up and down based on

[3:38:49] montgomery find a major road without single family

[3:38:52] on there and explain to me why this can't be single family

[3:38:56] i think the zone is i think the zone's correct

[3:39:01] i think the zone is correct this plan doesn't work for me for a lot

[3:39:06] of reasons this plan is very confused there's not transition here there's

[3:39:11] commercial here and then there's very high density apartment buildings and for

[3:39:14] me even knowing

[3:39:17] that silverman's products are amazing that my

[3:39:20] 10 year will run away from home right now to go live in his apartment they are

[3:39:24] classy they're they're brilliant this is not the right spot for this

[3:39:29] development in my opinion

[3:39:33] so i i'm gonna stand with the the zone is the right zone single family is

[3:39:39] absolutely the most impossible thing to get

[3:39:42] in our zip code if you build it they will come

[3:39:46] and that's not to take away from anything that

[3:39:50] mr silverman has done at his other locations

[3:39:54] nothing separate the two is this still in the right zone

[3:39:58] right now

[3:40:10] through all this time looking at

[3:40:13] all the the different versions and proposals and

[3:40:16] everything that was not something that i had

[3:40:20] considered

[3:40:26] my biggest concerns are

[3:40:32] it's it's like it's been mentioned several times before

[3:40:35] some things don't want to be there um

[3:40:40] what is the smartest thing for us to focus on

[3:40:46] um and

[3:40:48] the the thing that keeps coming back to me is is when

[3:40:52] when i'm taking notes and i hear um

[3:40:57] it seems like it's so close um that

[3:41:02] this this development can can be successful

[3:41:08] but there would like to be just there's there needs to be a little bit more

[3:41:13] movement and i know that there's been a great

[3:41:16] deal of compliments and and i

[3:41:20] i respect that and i appreciate that that that means a lot to me

[3:41:24] when i'm trying to think about some of these issues with

[3:41:29] you know compromise for the residents compromised from the developers and

[3:41:33] their plans and how this has changed several times um

[3:41:39] so when i looked at it my thinking wasn't from the standpoint

[3:41:44] of single family my view of this was

[3:41:50] what can we do to consider

[3:41:54] all of those houses at the top

[3:41:57] um and

[3:41:59] if that means that we need to consider

[3:42:04] extending that amount and

[3:42:07] sliding the retention on down the possibility of doing that i

[3:42:13] understand that that might impact um

[3:42:17] building more in in this case

[3:42:22] that has the possibility of lowering some of the density which is something

[3:42:26] that that some of the um the residents have mentioned it has an impact on

[3:42:34] any possibility of light pollution that can come in whether it's realized

[3:42:39] or not that has an opportunity to um to impact those specific houses behind

[3:42:46] their retention pond um and

[3:42:49] and then if we provide more of that um

[3:42:54] that sort of barrier between the families the residences in the north and

[3:43:01] um the retention pond and that can also

[3:43:04] alleviate some of the uh concerns in terms of

[3:43:08] safety and and and i appreciate that the the fencing that goes around i know that

[3:43:13] goes in one way um but

[3:43:17] you know being able to have that barrier as well um could alleviate that so it to

[3:43:22] me it seems like that if if we can evaluate just a little bit

[3:43:28] more of that it would um it would alleviate a lot of of the

[3:43:35] concerns from a number of of the residents and

[3:43:39] then another thing that i that was mentioned

[3:43:42] is this property

[3:43:44] next to it is is going to be developed as well um and if

[3:43:51] we can again include

[3:43:54] sort of that um that barrier up at the top that burn the top that provides some

[3:44:00] of the consistency into possible future development whether that's

[3:44:05] you know a single family or whether that's you know

[3:44:08] another resource density so when i look at

[3:44:12] this i i think that it could be a successful

[3:44:18] um development

[3:44:21] all around with a little bit of those a little bit

[3:44:25] of those tweaks so why do you think single family can't

[3:44:28] work for i'm not saying that it can't

[3:44:33] um i think some some of my concern is is as

[3:44:38] you have going

[3:44:42] east down tylersville um you've got doctors offices you've got you know some

[3:44:48] of some of that commercial um and then you've got

[3:44:53] the the agriculture area that will be developed in the future um

[3:45:01] i'm not developing her land yeah well as as we go as we go further down that's

[3:45:07] that's true um and and i i get that i understand that's that's the point that

[3:45:12] i'm trying to like i was not thinking from any

[3:45:15] um in any capacity of single family and being necessarily

[3:45:21] [Music] successful

[3:45:24] on

[3:45:35] how can we make this how do we make this work for everybody

[3:45:39] but this is the first go-around right

[3:45:42] and so i just want you to really understand that

[3:45:46] when you make this is your first zone case right your zoning

[3:45:51] case yeah yeah like when you change the color it's

[3:45:55] permanent and you know you need to really understand why you're doing that

[3:46:00] and an example would be the golf center there the first proposal was 200 and

[3:46:06] some multi-family homes back there we were told single family could never go

[3:46:09] back there could never work there's single-family homes back there

[3:46:14] right now they went like this with power lines through them and everything else

[3:46:18] so

[3:46:20] this is a first go around it doesn't mean it's even something you have to

[3:46:23] really work with

[3:46:27] but you have to be absolutely committed that if you're gonna say yeah we should

[3:46:30] change the zone so our job as trustees

[3:46:36] considering his own change is not to think of alternate solutions

[3:46:41] to evaluate is the zone king zone that's on it now

[3:46:45] the highest and best use in alignment with our comprehensive plan in alignment

[3:46:50] with what's around it in alignment with what's best for the entire township or

[3:46:56] is this new zone not is there another zone that could be

[3:46:59] better because that's not on the table right now

[3:47:02] so because it kind of sounds like you were

[3:47:05] venturing off into like a little bit of like uh

[3:47:09] and i don't know if that's what you were doing

[3:47:11] uh i don't know i'm just reading right now to be honest with you so okay no

[3:47:15] idea you give

[3:47:24] no i asked him is he comfortable changing the zone

[3:47:28] that's what i asked him are you comfortable doing that and that you

[3:47:31] don't have to figure out what the next step is you're deciding right now that's

[3:47:34] what i was trying to say you don't have to figure out what what comes next right

[3:47:37] yeah it's not working to do okay so

[3:47:41] um just to get some of my initial thoughts

[3:47:45] out

[3:47:49] the retention i mean i'm hearing that that we did strike the compromise if

[3:47:53] they extend the berm and the

[3:47:56] move the retention bond but then i'm also hearing that you

[3:48:02] know single family is really like what you

[3:48:05] guys want you're going to be compromising it's

[3:48:07] going to be kind of a

[3:48:11] letdown but just to get it that way which that's not what they want for

[3:48:16] anyone i'm uncomfortable with the

[3:48:19] commercial out front that we don't really know what it's going to be

[3:48:23] at this point um and i see like the common beer company which is right there

[3:48:27] which is closed and has been empty for a while

[3:48:31] and would be a great place for another

[3:48:34] restaurant to pop in and hasn't done so yet and so it makes me uncomfortable at

[3:48:38] this point especially hearing what you guys are saying

[3:48:41] um and when they said they didn't know

[3:48:43] exactly what that person was i'm not comfortable with with approving

[3:48:47] something if i'm not going to know what's going in there at this point i

[3:48:50] thought we had a better clearer kind of idea of what was going there

[3:48:56] so i i appreciate

[3:49:00] everything that everyone has done and everyone is across

[3:49:04] the table and talk about them i hear what you're saying about

[3:49:08] if

[3:49:11] but i also see what's in our comprehensive plan

[3:49:13] where we said that it should be a step down from

[3:49:19] business down to because that's alright already is a long

[3:49:23] highly skilled road [Music]

[3:49:26] so so this is tricky and i guess i'm not making much sense i'm not steering us in

[3:49:30] a direction either way here right now um i'm just kind of just part of the

[3:49:35] discussion to try and continue this session without

[3:49:38] you making a decision myself right now well the character is a recommendation

[3:49:42] it's not set in stone it's fluent it's a character area

[3:49:47] and it's saying no to this doesn't mean no always

[3:49:51] it means this isn't the right plan for the density for the retail aspect or

[3:49:57] the transition there's a lot of reasons that

[3:50:01] this isn't the right plan so you stick with where you're at and

[3:50:07] see what what comes back breathe forward maybe it's silver maybe

[3:50:11] somebody else but the character area is the recommendation the zone is permanent

[3:50:32] we have to agree

[3:50:40] but of course but i'm saying we don't have

[3:50:42] to do something right now just because of the character area recommendation and

[3:50:46] the first plan we have so little land to develop in

[3:50:49] deerfield township we have so little land left

[3:50:55] and we all ran on smart growth smart development

[3:51:00] we all did so if you do think this is the smartest thing then do it i don't

[3:51:05] think with his little land as we have left that this is the smartest use of

[3:51:08] that land it doesn't make sense there when i think

[3:51:13] of one's airfield and the grandstone you

[3:51:16] park there you walk everywhere you don't have to get your car out all weekend if

[3:51:21] you don't want to you walk to the gym you can walk in groceries you're in

[3:51:24] movies you can walk to the bar you can walk whatever that's not

[3:51:28] the place for this

[3:51:31] high-end apartment complex that has some retail

[3:51:34] in the front it just isn't

[3:51:38] in my opinion it just isn't when you want to park your car when you've had

[3:51:41] your apartment it is literally so you can walk anywhere and

[3:51:46] not have to get it in and out and in and out and now

[3:51:50] it's not anything against the apartment as well if there's your hand if you've

[3:51:53] never lived in an apartment right i mean

[3:51:57] so with as little land as we have and this plan is not a home run for

[3:52:02] anybody here

[3:52:06] and it's zoned for the way it's been zoned for years for a reason

[3:52:10] and the past has already turned down a different

[3:52:13] uh you know years ago a different use we haven't found the right thing yet the

[3:52:18] right thing has not come forward and this is going to set precedent for the

[3:52:21] iranian land that we have left which is so little

[3:52:29] so smart growth

[3:52:31] for me is to say this this is not a high dense apartment complex no matter

[3:52:38] how beautiful doesn't fit there it doesn't

[3:52:42] there's nobody going to park there and walk to

[3:52:45] the chiropractor on the corner

[3:52:52] or the insurance company with alterations that's what's over there and

[3:52:54] they've driven over there a million times but if you drive a little further

[3:52:57] down there's homes all the way against tylersville a beautiful firm

[3:53:02] like there is homes all up and down pilots though was the last time you were

[3:53:06] on tyler's lawyer it's on your opposite side of your

[3:53:11] town oh okay

[3:53:19] so if you wanted to move this along i'm a no on this

[3:53:23] and i know we'll see a better plan uh

[3:53:44] um

[3:54:04] and it is it is tough um you know because

[3:54:10] with a look at residents

[3:54:14] um who are

[3:54:17] you know

[3:54:20] have have different thoughts for foods that are have different

[3:54:24] different ideas

[3:54:28] and

[3:54:35] um

[3:54:43] best for for them

[3:54:54] this decision is it's more than

[3:54:58] those houses there but those houses are

[3:55:02] pretty important so that's why it's it's difficult for me

[3:55:06] to um

[3:55:11] be able to say this

[3:55:17] so trustee headings and now i will say that

[3:55:23] the only way i would vote yes on this is if we extended that verb i never

[3:55:27] so that would be a condition that we would add to the pov and that's the only

[3:55:31] way that i would say yes you still don't have your retail

[3:55:35] compliance

[3:55:39] [Music]

[3:55:54] the apartments you know getting that and

[3:55:57] then our trusted only commission we appoint

[3:56:00] them to approve

[3:56:03] the commercial and i trust them to make wise decisions there and that's

[3:56:07] their job to do have this other department

[3:56:12] so

[3:56:15] you already got to know so i'm talking to trustee siciliano here

[3:56:21] to let him know that if that's the way he wanted to go

[3:56:24] whichever way he wants to go on this but i would only do it by adding conditions

[3:56:28] that would send the berm all the way across to keep a consistent smooth

[3:56:31] retention pun at the expense of it we have to lose the

[3:56:35] building and we can figure the development

[3:56:41] and if that's too big of a change if we need to come back and redo this after

[3:56:45] those changes if that's too big because i don't know because that

[3:56:49] changes that picture completely

[3:57:04] and they have to move their attention on and then that causes them to have to say

[3:57:08] reconfigure how the buildings are set up

[3:57:12] does that do they have to come back through the process or is that something

[3:57:16] that comes through i would probably say that that's i mean

[3:57:20] we kind of went through this once before is would that be the equivalent of a

[3:57:23] major modification of the pvd if this were an existing beauty

[3:57:27] if you want to put on a condition that says

[3:57:30] um the mound's got to go the whole length

[3:57:32] of the most outside of the property and just put that there

[3:57:37] they're going to need to scramble to figure out can they make that work

[3:57:40] somehow presumably in doing that they'd have to look at changing

[3:57:45] different areas on the properties use areas which is one of the standards is

[3:57:50] defining the use of permitted with the pd the general location of such uses

[3:57:55] things of that nature so but if they had to basically rework their site pen

[3:58:00] presumably so to where maybe building one building

[3:58:04] three needs change whatever it would be then yeah i would think that that would

[3:58:08] regrettably unfortunately but probably be something that would be tantamount to

[3:58:12] the major beauty to which it would be the equivalent

[3:58:29] hold on there it's not a concern but let's just have it so i mean if it's

[3:58:33] listed as a condition to extend

[3:58:36] and move the pollen to the south they couldn't bring that vehicle back

[3:58:40] and if the density remains [Music]

[3:58:50] no they don't have to go all the way through but i do think that you would

[3:58:53] need to come back to this

[3:58:56] with public notice and we need the public to be able to provide i think we

[3:59:00] don't need to go back back through intelligence oh no sorry if that's how i

[3:59:05] spoke that's not what i mean but i do think the tantamount to they would just

[3:59:09] they would bring that robotic plan back to this board based on the additional

[3:59:13] conditions in which you would apply to the plan before you receive it you get

[3:59:17] to set the rules i mean if you want to send it back to zoning commission if you

[3:59:19] want a good rpc you can there's no rule for that but it would be the equivalent

[3:59:24] of a major ped modification to where at a minimum i'd certainly forgive process

[3:59:29] purposes but think that you want to send out those revised plans you want to

[3:59:33] allow the neighbors to provide input as well you can come back and do that

[3:59:37] before this board that's one

[3:59:45] i think to summarize there are currently 18 conditions any other conditions you

[3:59:48] put on they would have to bring back a division of showing those conditions

[3:59:55] to the extent that it modifies the use areas of the

[3:59:58] letter literally what you're spelling out tonight presumably if you say

[4:00:02] helper's got to be all there obviously the retention area is going to move that

[4:00:06] by itself would probably be grounds for it maybe not but if you're talking

[4:00:10] holistically of rearranging buildings things of that

[4:00:13] nature that's getting pretty close to wanting to do

[4:00:17] another

[4:00:30] if i can if i can throw out a couple concepts you're kind of doing two things

[4:00:33] here tonight not kind of literally you're doing a rezoning of the property

[4:00:37] and you're also to the extent you get past the resulting phase

[4:00:41] then you're choosing whether or not to put the preliminary

[4:00:44] plan it sounds like trustee petting is obviously saying no i think that

[4:00:49] it should be remain residential single family

[4:00:53] that might be a good thing for you to get through first in your mind's eye is

[4:00:57] do you agree with that or do you not if you can get past the concept of no i

[4:01:02] think it could be you know neighborhood mixed

[4:01:06] then maybe then you start getting into the preliminary pd plan components to

[4:01:09] that and then you start thinking of the concept of

[4:01:12] do we see if we can extend the buffer or not those different type things

[4:01:17] the further thing i will say is at least as of the commercial component

[4:01:21] is this is the preliminary pe plan and the zoning code lays out what's to

[4:01:26] be specified like it or not that's just kind of how

[4:01:29] the process works is and it's been that way all along deerfield

[4:01:33] center areas unfortunately you know they don't

[4:01:37] typically know what their commercial development is

[4:01:40] um at this time it's very user specific at the end um

[4:01:44] so i wouldn't i would be uncomfortable with you all

[4:01:47] turning in turning approval of their preliminary pd plan down

[4:01:53] if it were let's just say party and say exclusively

[4:01:56] on the basis of i don't know what that commercial will be because the code

[4:02:00] doesn't make them tell you now what that commercial would be but i just

[4:02:04] wanted to kind of get those out there but for framing it you should understand

[4:02:08] that think through step one would be

[4:02:11] are you comfortable with rezoning it if the answer to that is no

[4:02:16] then that kind of ends your game if you're conceptually willing

[4:02:20] to think about rezoning it then that's when you should start thinking about

[4:02:24] kind of the preliminary pd plan what additional conditions

[4:02:29] etc etc and that's then when you might get into the concept of how

[4:02:33] much are we re-engineering this to where we need to come back

[4:02:37] just some kind of guiding points for along the way

[4:02:41] so there's a lot of plants that can come back with single family with the

[4:02:44] character areas still on it that involves single family

[4:02:48] but there's so many ways that that property can go it can't be developed

[4:02:52] you don't have to be involved with the first ones and

[4:03:02] also a business component to it alongside this village i know he's

[4:03:06] saying we have single family and i've been looking at how the rest of tyler's

[4:03:09] bill is developed for the consistency

[4:03:14] and for what else is there i think it does

[4:03:16] make sense to have some kind of business yeah do you know um do you believe

[4:03:21] on montgomery road what is it called vintage club

[4:03:26] you have a vintage club there's a hospital like outpatient in

[4:03:31] the front there's a yoga studio or pilates or something in

[4:03:35] the front you drive down the driveway and you see their clubhouse they've got

[4:03:39] one apartment living here beautiful houses town homes there's

[4:03:42] transition there's diversity and housing they've got business in the front it's

[4:03:46] right off one of the busiest streets there

[4:03:49] there is there's there's uses for this land that can be

[4:03:54] higher to a higher purpose than the apartment

[4:03:58] complex with some retail in the front i just think we have to

[4:04:02] understand that that saying no to this doesn't mean

[4:04:06] saying no forever to anything that could come before us and it has to be straight

[4:04:10] single family that's not what i'm saying this plan right now is not the right

[4:04:14] plan for that property

[4:04:19] do you know that i'm talking about

[4:04:22] like if you go back if you go past harvard station

[4:04:26] and it's on your left there's a medical building there's about nearly

[4:04:32] a few years ago

[4:04:44] but it's still communities

[4:04:51] so there's a lot you can do with single

[4:04:54] families still if it stays single families once you're done

[4:05:14] you

[4:05:19] [Music]

[4:05:26] this property is going to eventually become something bigger

[4:05:32] whoever develops the next harsh portion so whatever you say now

[4:05:36] isn't going to accept them right there so anything

[4:05:40] i know i said that we can't it's not our job thing at all right he's not done

[4:05:44] this before i'm just trying to talk him through like okay

[4:05:53] okay

[4:05:56] to reduce the density you can do something for our step down that we've

[4:05:59] got in our comments you could do something like

[4:06:03] commercial down below state town homes down to single family homes well in the

[4:06:07] updated call plan you guys do remember has actual lines like that there's

[4:06:11] single family there's one family there's commercial it's just that we're behind

[4:06:15] on that because

[4:06:19] so they're not wrong hey here's the character area and here's

[4:06:23] this they don't change they won't change when it comes back out

[4:06:27] but it's very specific that

[4:06:30] there's single family of events and there's multiple

[4:06:51] and i think that kind of touched on the original

[4:06:55] draft of this that including the talent exists as more of that step down and

[4:07:01] that was one of one of the points that you know

[4:07:04] the residents didn't want was

[4:07:30] all right

[4:07:42] you don't have a lot of land

[4:07:49] part left it

[4:08:19] foreign

[4:08:33] okay

[4:08:58] but after our discussion tonight

[4:09:02] i think what i'm hearing everyone say what's that none of us are involved with

[4:09:07] um

[4:09:10] so therefore it's maybe not the highest and best and our job is figuring out

[4:09:16] what is the highest and best use and what is the best

[4:09:19] vision for this property

[4:09:23] we keep it as it is for now

[4:09:30] how do you feel about that and it could even be silverman comes

[4:09:35] back to us they come back with something else because i

[4:09:39] i love one deerfield it's fantastic

[4:09:52] yeah i mean like just technology

[4:10:01] um and i know that the residents um are not

[4:10:06] in love with this either which

[4:10:10] is it is important

[4:10:13] for me to hear that so yes at this point that i

[4:10:20] i i don't i agree with this specific

[4:10:25] i think that we would have to make

[4:10:29] some big changes to this

[4:10:33] and

[4:10:36] i i i'd be wondering if maybe you use it and see where

[4:10:41] she was i mean it did happen at the golf center

[4:10:44] trustee headings not wrong he turned it down and they came back and

[4:10:49] it was a better plan they said it couldn't be done it people it was done

[4:10:52] yeah and they sold out and yeah like that

[4:10:56] so um

[4:11:01] i think uh with that i will make the motion to deny

[4:11:07] the change a second

[4:11:10] we've got a question by ms malhotra and the second five is heading to deny the

[4:11:14] zone change in case number 2021-85

[4:11:32] is

[4:11:39] thank you very much

[4:11:44] [Music] yes

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Deerfield Township Board of Trustees Work Session - August 17th, 2021

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