[0:00] Larry, let's let's try that again. People on YouTube.

[0:03] » This conditional use permit was originally issued in 2015. This is going

[0:08] to be an amended conditional use permit. Actually, what's going to happen when we

[0:13] record this is we're going to resend the 2015 conditional use permit. And then

[0:18] this will be the controlling conditional use permit for that property.

[0:23] Basically, uh, right now the, uh, conditional use permit has a house, a

[0:27] two-story garage with living quarters, a maintenance building with two living

[0:32] quarters for on-site caretakers, and then the original one had a meeting and

[0:37] entertainment center with six bedrooms. The new amended conditional use permit

[0:41] will change number four to a twounit, 8-bedroom guest quarter structure.

[0:48] So that that will replace the meeting and entertainment center which was never

[0:51] built. >> So we're recommending approval of the

[0:55] revised conditional use permit subject to the following conditions.

[1:00] One, that the project be constructed generally as shown on the approved site

[1:04] plan. Two, that the owner obtain a land disturbance permit from the city prior

[1:08] to issuance of a building permit. Three, that the owner obtain a Pelican River

[1:13] watershed district permit prior to issuance of a building permit. and four,

[1:17] that the facilities are for personal use of the property owner and his guests and

[1:21] cannot be rented or leased at any time. And if you read through the application

[1:25] packet, they made that clear that that was their intention.

[1:29] And they provided a lot of detailed information in the application.

[1:36] All right. Uh at this time, I go ahead and open it up for a public comment if

[1:40] someone wants to any of you would like to address the commission.

[1:49] If you could state your name and address just for the record. Sure.

[1:52] » I'm Jesse Umall. My address is 30349 Wrigley Circle in Verus. I am the

[1:57] director of residential properties for the Thoraldsons. I've been on the

[2:00] property since 1998. So I've seen all of the transitions that we brought before

[2:05] you before. Um I was with on the last conditional use permit for Mr. Brandt.

[2:11] Um and thes feel that what Ace had put together um his meeting entertainment

[2:18] center didn't meet the needs of their family. Um so that's why we went and put

[2:23] together a new drawing um for this private residence um for them to meet

[2:29] their family's needs. The property was never

[2:33] developed for a family. It was more developed for entertainment for one

[2:37] person. >> So this family has seven children. We

[2:41] have 13 grandchildren, more on the way. So, the bedroom space doesn't even um

[2:46] exist for what we need to meet the family's need. Um this house is in a

[2:50] trust and their intention is that this gets passed on for generations. So, that

[2:54] is why we'd like to come forward and change the change the permit um to this

[3:00] new structure. um for the previous conditional use permit, we

[3:07] » upgraded our storm water plan to have this structure. So, our our building

[3:12] site is already ready for this structure. We just never were able to

[3:16] achieve it because Mr. Brandt had passed away.

[3:19] » And I'd be happy to answer any questions from the packet that we submitted um to

[3:23] you um about the project or the property itself.

[3:27] » Okay. We'll let you know if we have any questions.

[3:30] » Thank you. Any other public comments?

[3:35] All right, seeing none, we'll go ahead and uh close the public hearing and I'm

[3:39] going to open it up to the commission for a discussion

[3:43] or a motion.

[3:47] » Do do most conditional ones have Oh, fine.

[3:52] Do you have to have time limits on how long your conditional use permit is

[3:56] allowed? They have one year to utilize the

[4:01] permit. So they would have to get a building permit for this project prior

[4:04] to a oneyear elapse. >> Okay.

[4:08] » Okay. Any other questions or discussion?

[4:14] » I would make a motion to approve the conditional use permit with the um uh

[4:20] restrictions or the guidance from the um staff.

[4:24] » I'll second. >> All right. We have a motion and a second

[4:26] to approve the conditional use permit using staff recommendations. Any further

[4:33] discussion on the motion hearing? None. All those in favor say I.

[4:36] » I. Opposed. Same sign. Okay. So, where this will go from here? Uh, this will go

[4:42] to the community development committee coming up on Monday the

[4:48] » shoot. 9th. Thank you. I was I was thinking 10th, but I know that's the

[4:52] city council meeting. Uh so that'll be at 5:00 in that room back there. You

[4:57] don't have to be there. You're welcome to be there. Then that then the uh the

[5:00] community development committee will discuss and then that'll come to a vote

[5:04] at the city council at 5:00 p.m. in these chambers on Tuesday the 10th and

[5:08] that's where we'll actually take the action on it, the final action. But this

[5:12] recommendation uh will carry forward to the community development committee. All

[5:16] right. Any questions? All right. Thanks for being here.

[5:20] » Yeah, absolutely. Um, all right. I'm going to without objection, I'm going to

[5:24] go ahead and move item uh go to item 4B uh consideration to the final plat of

[5:30] Providence Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59. Larry,

[5:37] » this is for the 40 unit conditional use permit.

[5:39] » You have to abstain. >> Yes.

[5:41] » Well, then we can't take action. >> You can once you have a quorum.

[5:45] » Oh, >> it still stays intact even if somebody

[5:48] » Okay. >> Sweet.

[5:50] with that. I forgot about that. Thank you, Larry.

[5:53] » Yep. >> So, this is for common interest

[5:57] community number 113, Providence Lakes. It's a 40 unit town home development,

[6:03] and staff is recommending final plat approval subject to the following four

[6:08] conditions. One, that the owner obtain any required Pelican River Watershed

[6:12] District permit prior to issuance of a building permit. Two, that the owner

[6:17] obtain a land disturbance permit from the city prior to the issuance of any

[6:21] building permit. Three, that the owner provide a common interest community

[6:26] declaration that is acceptable to the city prior to the city signing the final

[6:30] plat. And that the owner provide a utility easement acceptable to the city

[6:34] prior to the city signing the final plat.

[6:38] There's been a lot of work going on with the city attorney on that regard and I

[6:42] think they've come very close to getting the declarations and the easements

[6:47] signed. So, we're we're close.

[6:52] » I don't think that's in our packet. >> No,

[6:54] » the the your recommendations I do not believe are in our packet.

[6:57] » I'm sorry. I didn't get the uh staff report ready, but I did get a resolution

[7:02] ready for the council. So, that's where those

[7:04] » Okay. >> conditions came from. Okay.

[7:08] Uh discussion or a motion from >> I just wanted to clarify

[7:16] that I mean this is the has this been changed from the original

[7:21] plan? >> The original the original conditional

[7:24] use permit and plant had 48 units. >> Right.

[7:27] » So they have paired it down to make everything fit. So,

[7:31] » and if I remember correctly, they were um

[7:35] like 24 buildings with two units in each building. So, is that changed correct?

[7:40] » That has changed. It's now 20 buildings with 40 units.

[7:44] » 20 buildings with >> 40 units.

[7:47] » Okay.

[7:53] » Did the MDOT stuff get figured out then? >> The access did get figured out. Yes.

[8:00] They ended up having to put a a bypass lane in, didn't they?

[8:03] » Yes, correct. >> There is going to be a bypass lane.

[8:06] » There will be a bypass lane.

[8:12] » So, basically everything that the city kind of wanted them to achieve has been

[8:16] achieved. >> They're doing they're doing everything

[8:18] that we've been asking them to do. >> Okay.

[8:22] I'd make a motion to approve per all the things on that paper that we

[8:28] don't have in our packet with their >> following the city's staff

[8:31] recommendations. >> Staff recommendations.

[8:34] » I'll second that. >> All right. We have a motion in a second

[8:37] to approve the final plat for Providence Lakes at 1141 US Highway 59 with the

[8:45] city's uh word I'm looking for now. It's been a

[8:51] long day with the city's uh uh conditions. Thank you.

[8:55] » Uh any further discussion on the motion? >> Hearing none. All in favor say I.

[9:00] » I. I. >> Post. Same sign. Motion carries. All

[9:03] right, Scott. Same same drill. We'll go through the CDC on the 9th and then city

[9:08] council on the 10th. >> Thank you.

[9:10] » All right. Thanks for being here. All right, let's go ahead and jump to 4A.

[9:14] Weber Ford revised site plan. >> That's not in the package. So Weber Ford

[9:19] has decided that instead of a one bay car wash, they're going to have two car

[9:23] wash bays. >> So their site plan has changed. And if

[9:26] you look at the north end of it, you can see the two car wash bays instead of

[9:30] one. And that's the only significant change on the whole site plan.

[9:35] » I'm sorry, Larry, I didn't hear you. >> Weber Ford is changing their site plan

[9:40] because they're adding a second car wash bay. So they need us to approve their

[9:44] revised site plan. And if you look at the north end of the building, you can

[9:49] see that there's two bays of car wash there instead of just one like the

[9:53] original plan head. >> H

[9:56] » doesn't expand the footprint much. >> I'm it does not just a very modest

[10:01] change. >> Uh I don't see any staff recommendations

[10:05] in our packet. Staff is recommending approval of the

[10:10] changed site plan for for Weber Ford >> with no different conditions.

[10:16] » No other conditions. This is just for the planning

[10:21] commission. This won't go to the council. The planning commission needs

[10:23] to approve the site plan. >> Gotcha.

[10:28] » All right. Any discussion or I'd entertain a motion?

[10:33] I'll make a motion to approve the revised site plan.

[10:37] » Second. >> All right. We have a motion in a second

[10:39] to approve the revised site plan for Weber Ford adding a second uh car wash

[10:44] bay. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none. All in favor say I.

[10:48] » I. Post. Same sign. Motion carries. Okay. Um does anybody have anything they

[10:54] would like to bring up for the variance or conditional use status report?

[11:02] Liz isn't here, so it sounds like we don't.

[11:04] » I know. >> And then Larry, was there anything else

[11:07] that you had? I >> am going to talk about planning

[11:10] commissioner training. If you haven't noticed, you should have an email from

[11:14] the League of Cities telling you about a planning commissioner training course

[11:18] called uh your role in land use decisionmaking. So,

[11:23] » who was that sent by? >> League of Minnesota cities.

[11:29] So, if you don't have that, you'll be getting that and you need to go and log

[11:32] in and take the course. It's a one-hour course and we will be discussing it at

[11:37] the March Planning Commission meeting.

[11:43] » I don't.

[11:48] » It should be in your city email either yesterday or the day before that.

[11:54] If you don't have it, let us know and we'll try and get you access to

[11:58] » just the uh came it looks like it came it's from seismic learning no reply at

[12:02] seismic.com. >> Okay.

[12:04] » And then it says you have on a new account on our learning platform and

[12:08] have been assigned land use regulation your role in land use decisionmaking.

[12:13] » And then it gives you the link to either

[12:18] should have come to our personal emails. your city.

[12:21] » Your city email. >> I don't have one of those.

[12:24] » I don't access that at all. >> I have one.

[12:27] » I did not know I had one. >> Okay. So, you have two tasks before the

[12:31] March meeting. One is to call IT support and get access to your city email and

[12:35] then >> I used to have an iPad, but I it was so

[12:38] complicated because it wasn't >> it wasn't an iPad. It was

[12:41] » Oh my gosh. No. >> I think they gave them out like last

[12:45] fall. >> They did. I I'll be upfront. I didn't

[12:47] really start using mine until I until I was on the city council. even though I

[12:50] had it and then I had a real reason but now Larry's giving us a real reason.

[12:55] » I just email is that good or bad >> to have the emails depends on your

[12:59] perspective >> change from the city email to personal

[13:02] email. >> Um the city prefers that they're in the

[13:05] city email so you can control what's coming in and going out of those emails.

[13:10] » It's probably wise that you segregate those things too.

[13:14] » I need to have a re a course on getting >> by all means Dylan. I was looking at

[13:18] you. >> What can they do? Can they come in?

[13:20] » So, you could either come in and meet with Dwayne Krauss. He's our IT guy. Or

[13:26] I can give you his phone number. >> Well, I mean, I know I had it, but when

[13:30] I turned in the iPad or the pad >> I stopped using it.

[13:34] » If you want to give him a call, I'll give you his phone number. It's

[13:37] 21846142.

[13:42] And that's his direct

[13:50] and he's a nice guy. >> He's a really nice guy.

[13:56] » He'll go out of his way to make sure that you've got what you need.

[13:59] » Blame. >> So, Dylan, would you mind giving us a

[14:03] quick overview on why we might want to use our city accounts instead of

[14:07] personal accounts for this business? >> Absolutely. So, uh just a kind of quick

[14:12] and dirty is there's a thing called the data practice act. Um if somebody makes

[14:16] a data practice act request um they are in that following a a litany

[14:23] of rules they are able to access um information that would be city related.

[14:29] If you keep city related material on your private email your private email

[14:35] becomes accessible which means that if you have things on your private email

[14:39] that maybe you don't want the world to see guess what it's now the world gets

[14:43] to see. Um, >> ask Hillary,

[14:47] » right? So, um, basically you want to keep your city stuff on a city email so

[14:53] that your city email is ac gets when it gets accessed um, they get to see that.

[15:00] Vice versa, you probably don't want your personal stuff on your city email

[15:03] because then your city email is accessible to the public and the public

[15:09] gets to see whatever personal stuff you have on your city email as well. Now, I

[15:13] will tell you, you can get the Outlook client right on your phone and it work

[15:18] functions just like Gmail or any of the others and use that for your city email

[15:22] and that's all stays on the server. >> Well, that's where it was Outlook, but I

[15:25] mean I never looked at it. >> Yeah, I just I have it on here and and

[15:29] that's how I check my city email on the fly is is using that Outlook client and

[15:33] it keeps it all on the server and through the city's stuff and that way

[15:36] I'm not dealing with my personal stuff. There's also they can if you have it on

[15:40] your phone, they can try to pull your phone into a court case too if it should

[15:45] go that way your if it's your personal phone. So

[15:49] » according to it, so just >> it's always a risk.

[15:53] » Yep. >> There's a there's a there's a a balance

[15:57] to be had there, right? >> What you're saying is best not to access

[16:00] it from your phone. >> What she's saying is it's best not to

[16:03] access it at all. Yeah, >> it it is best practice to keep doing

[16:09] that's what I've been doing. >> It's best practice to keep it as

[16:12] separate as as possible, but obviously you're not going to be able to separate

[16:17] it entirely, right? You have to access your city email from something. Um and

[16:24] uh you can theoretically, you know, an individual can theoretically try to make

[16:29] an argument that because you accessed it from your personal phone or from your

[16:32] personal laptop that the other material might be accessible, but your arguments

[16:38] get a lot better. Your arguments are pretty good if you keep them separate.

[16:43] » You know, which is why like that was one of the discussions that we had early on

[16:47] was using that Outlook client actually does keep everything on the server. So,

[16:51] it's it's a little harder to argue that I mean, it's not impossible, but it's a

[16:56] little harder to argue that there was stuff being stored locally.

[17:01] » Y,

[17:04] » that makes sense. >> Okay. Anything else from the staff?

[17:09] » Nothing else. >> Anything else from the lawyer?

[17:12] » No. >> Anything from any of the commissioners?

[17:17] » Sorry for being late. >> No worries. I'm happy you're here. You

[17:20] don't need to be sorry. All right. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and call this

[17:24] meeting adjourned. Thank you. >> Thank you,

[17:26] » Larry. I got a question for you.

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