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[0:05] » Call the September 8th meeting of the board of supervisors. Would you please

[0:08] rise and pledge the flag with us? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:15] United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

[0:20] under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:28] » Thank you. The board did meet prior to tonight's meeting to discuss personnel

[0:32] and litigation matters. Um,

[0:39] is there a motion to approve or amend the agenda?

[0:43] » Make a motion to approve the agenda. >> Second.

[0:48] All in favor signifi I. I.

[0:58] The board did meet also met for an advertised public intermunicipal meeting

[1:03] with the sewer authority in August 24th, 2026. Draft minutes were taken by the

[1:07] sewer authority and will be presented before their board for approval on

[1:11] September 28th and will be posted after the October Board of Supervisors

[1:15] meeting.

[1:21] Okay. Is there a motion to approve or amend the minutes of the August 11th,

[1:27] 2026 meeting? >> Make a motion to approve those minutes.

[1:32] I have it and under special requests

[1:38] word should be polls. >> Uh where's that at Dean?

[1:43] » Under special requests sentencing I believe in parentheses it

[1:48] says to drive. Oh, good catch. >> Okay.

[1:56] » So, it's your motion to include that correction.

[2:03] » I second that. >> Okay. You have a motion and second to

[2:06] amend the minutes of the August 11th meeting. All those in favor of the

[2:10] amendment say no. I I >> public comments at this time. Are there

[2:16] any? >> Yes, sir.

[2:23] 12:15

[2:27] » the other one

[2:35] being shut down right now the amount of traffic on extended is

[2:43] that's not a problem but the problem is is the speed allows you to be over the

[2:49] come around the corner down below there and they just hammer up the hill. I

[2:54] don't know how it is down real fast but what they fly

[3:08] doesn't really have to watch anymore.

[3:14] It's it's ridiculous. >> Yeah. when they get to the bottom corner

[3:18] slide out. >> We will bring it up closely.

[3:23] » Thank you. >> Any other comments?

[3:27] » Yes, sir. >> Question.

[3:29] » Yes.

[3:39] real

[3:52] as well, but I'm just going to bring a copy of this orbit for the

[4:03] feel of that's important.

[4:09] That is correct.

[4:22] » Uh that would be my fault, but it was at the front counter and the the law uh

[4:27] basically says that we have to have it at the front counter. That was an

[4:30] oversight on my part to put it on the website which is just a something that

[4:35] we do as a friendly community thing. Yes. Very. Yes.

[4:45] » Um we put in the past we we've put big ticket things uh on there like uh the

[4:52] data center stuff the overlay. >> Um but prior to that no we have not.

[4:59] Well, that's

[5:03] » Well, but I we wanted to do that going forward and since I wasn't used to doing

[5:08] it, I missed it. So, that is my fault. I should have put it up there.

[5:12] » So, there's one out there. >> Here, I'll give up mine right now.

[5:16] » I have one. >> Thank you.

[5:19] » No, it's a cop. It's It's a copy sitting and [clears throat] then we make a copy

[5:22] for people. >> Okay.

[5:23] » Yeah. >> Would you like one right now, sir?

[5:27] a copy of the

[5:34] » Thank you for your comment. Any other comments?

[5:37] » Okay, we'll move on with the agenda. Special request

[5:42] 5.1, the tax collector requests for an exoneration for 190 Manchester Street in

[5:49] the amount of $58.54 for the reason of the property split per

[5:54] your county tax assessment. I'd like to make a motion that we honor

[5:58] that exoneration for $58.54. >> I'll second that.

[6:03] » Okay, we have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? And as for 190

[6:07] Manchester Street, Manchester, PA for the vote. All in favor of the motion

[6:12] signify by saying I. I. >> Motion carries. Westshore Wildlife C

[6:17] Center is requesting the township to become a 27 municipal wildlife services

[6:21] partner through annual allocation of $1,741.

[6:26] Is there anyone here from the Westshore Wildlife Center?

[6:31] » It does say and I don't think there is, but it says in their letter that if we

[6:34] want somebody to come, they will. So, if you'd like to have someone come to a

[6:40] future meeting, I can reach out. Um, that's up to you. I did. This got

[6:45] brought up at the last manager meeting and it appears that only one

[6:51] municipality actually donated or you know did what

[6:55] they requested. Um everybody else was like uh we don't know what we're going

[7:00] to do yet. You know it seemed very up in the air. I am going to let you know that

[7:05] in 2024 we did donate to them because they're

[7:09] local. Well, they're not in our township, but they're the local uh

[7:14] wildlife uh center. They're in do. But you guys donated pretty much $350.

[7:23] Um and then you didn't do it in 25. Uh and I'm not sure why that was.

[7:30] » The the burning question I have is what can they do for us that we don't already

[7:34] provide with our animal control officer SPCA? Well, it appears this is for

[7:38] wildlife, whereas [clears throat] the animal control officer is for dogs and

[7:42] then the shelter in contract with the SPCI is also for dogs.

[7:47] » So then this would entail a skunk in your window well or a raccoon that's

[7:52] rabbit or something, >> right?

[7:55] » What's the board's wishes?

[8:02] » [clears throat] >> I'd be willing to contribute because it

[8:04] could help some of our residents given the rural nature part of the township. I

[8:09] don't have a problem with doing 350 like we did in 2024.

[8:15] Then we put in some line items for donations and contributions. I'm

[8:21] wondering if uh 350 would do it because they're asking for 1741.

[8:26] » Okay. and uh that's uh to be a partner through the annual allocation. So um

[8:34] » correct in that >> in so in that line item for

[8:38] contributions you have you all lot $6,500 for 2026.

[8:45] You usually give the Lions Club for the Halloween parade $5,000. You already

[8:51] distribute it uh 500 for the viron. So that'll leave you uh with just a

[8:58] thousand on what you want to do. And the only other things that's on that list is

[9:02] your county rail trail authority which you already said you weren't going to

[9:06] donate to this year. So um it's up to you guys. So you'll have $1,000 in that

[9:11] line item. understand what they ask for, but you

[9:17] know there is no obligation that some of our residents

[9:23] might need their service.

[9:28] If you wish to make a motion, >> I'll make a motion that we

[9:33] $350 towards the west.

[9:42] » So, my question would be how do they differ

[9:48] from the Pennsylvania game commission other than it's hard to get commission

[9:51] to come out and do some of these things?

[9:56] » That's really described in the letter start and uh have we have we

[10:02] needed those services in [clears throat] the past? I don't remember.

[10:06] » When someone calls us for things like this, um we give them like Mike Ellis's

[10:12] number. Um whatever we find on Google. Yeah. The state game commission

[10:16] sometimes. Um and and we really don't otherwise we don't get very many calls

[10:23] » for this. No. >> Okay.

[10:25] » More dead. >> Yeah. have more dead animals if

[10:28] anything. >> Okay,

[10:32] we'll move on. That takes us down to the emergency services report chief.

[10:42] [clears throat]

[10:47] » I don't think so.

[10:52] » And then you have to talk directly into it. Just so you know, you might have to

[10:56] rotate it if you want to face this one. >> There you go.

[10:59] » There you go, buddy.

[11:03] [laughter]

[11:06] » She was playing with [laughter]

[11:11] » Good evening. Uh, you should have the fire chief report in there for the month

[11:17] of July total. So, 42 calls

[11:23] total. 42 calls, 96. Um,

[11:29] we did one later

[11:33] from the ladder had a fire

[11:39] to the hospital. Uh, I don't have anything else to add

[11:44] other than the fire department into their fall season, which means we're

[11:50] busy fire prevention. our whole community.

[12:02] I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have.

[12:05] » No, your report I don't have any questions. Your report was very

[12:08] thorough. Uh just one you got a report from Eagle Fire Company.

[12:13] » I did. Well, uh it was sent out late last

[12:20] year.

[12:24] I have my reported usually around

[12:32] I know state that's kind of close for her. So

[12:38] » thank you. >> I do have one question. How do you like

[12:40] the new format of the system you're using?

[12:43] » Uh we're still getting used to a couple things. Still tweaking a couple things,

[12:47] but it's a lot. >> Yeah, pretty decent. very

[12:50] » I think the data that it's gonna be better.

[12:54] » Yeah. >> Um I just I just want to add um that I

[12:59] did write Eagle um today that I did forward their email um and report to you

[13:07] guys. I did that first thing this morning. I emailed it to you, but I did

[13:12] remind them when that due uh date and and time frame is um and to get it to

[13:18] Chief Stevens sooner because he combines all the emergency service reports. And

[13:23] then additionally, I reminded them that we never got their June report for

[13:28] August because they're what, two months, we give the fire departments two months

[13:33] leeway. Yeah. Um, so, uh, just so you're aware, we don't have June's reports

[13:40] still. >> Is there anyone here for you?

[13:43] Okay. >> I just wanted to highlight that, uh,

[13:47] beyond uh, in addition to fighting fires within the township and the burrows. Uh,

[13:53] his July report for adjusted meetings and inspections that he goes to is

[13:57] pretty impressive. Uh, the Knox box of checkers was inspected. reinspection of

[14:03] the automation department drive review plans for motor tech

[14:08] uh came to our meeting county fire chiefs associated meeting the photo

[14:11] conference for the gates at 1035 Memphis Point Road the joint fire board meeting

[14:17] safety inspection of leg up farms meeting the DHL safety committee walkth

[14:20] through for 84 signs road so chief thank you for your your service to our

[14:25] township it's you have a busy busy months

[14:29] » I I wouldn't be able to do it without the

[14:32] Yeah. Well, don't say it too loud because his head will get

[14:35] » I know.

[14:38] » Won't be able to fit the helmet. >> Thank you.

[14:42] » Thank you. >> Um, Deputy Chief Risha, I see you're

[14:48] here. Do you have any report for your county regional?

[14:52] I think you took a note about Canal Road.

[14:54] » I did. Write that down. Um, that report actually

[15:01] vacation.

[15:07] » Any questions from anyone in the audience?

[15:11] » They made a note of the speeding. >> I did.

[15:14] » Thank you.

[15:23] » Wasn't me, was it? >> Oh my gosh.

[15:28] » Wasn't me. You're not stopping. I came out and put

[15:34] it away so I could be here. And I come around the corner, I see a car coming.

[15:38] So I go out the street because he's going to stop. He didn't stop. So he

[15:43] does one of these around

[15:55] point. I mean the times I go through most of the folks seem to be stopping.

[16:02] » But then

[16:10] you're sitting there and watching and you can't do

[16:18] » Can you do anything with cameras? I mean they have stoplight cameras but I guess

[16:21] not stop sign cameras. >> Not allowed to do that. put a flock.

[16:26] » So you have to physically flocks for traffic. Um but I mean you

[16:32] physically have to see someone blow through the stop sign. You can't use

[16:37] » until someone changes the legislation. >> But you took them.

[16:41] » Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Chief

[16:44] » and they're coming just as fast. I'm on the other side. They're coming just as

[16:47] fast down that way, too. >> There's a nice corn field that you can

[16:51] park.

[17:02] on right there. >> It's a big barn there on the corner.

[17:15] » I seen you tonight standing there when I came over at 4:30, so I made sure I

[17:20] stopped. >> Okay. Uh Christie, anything in your

[17:23] county emergency management agency? [clears throat]

[17:26] » I did not get a report. Um but uh I know that Mike is working very hard um

[17:33] because he'll be here sometimes uh you know into the night and things working

[17:38] on our plans just to be ready for the tmi reopening. Um and he'll fill me in

[17:45] every once in a while. Uh but otherwise, yep, he's just working on that. um so

[17:49] that he can start doing tabletops and getting people together to start

[17:54] practicing. >> Okay,

[17:58] » any questions on the services? >> Okay, that moves us down to a reszoning

[18:07] request has been filed by Kinley Properties regarding 4390 board,

[18:12] Manchester Muscle Farm and uh representatives for those It's all

[18:19] yours.

[18:23] » Good evening. Stage here on Enterprises

[18:31] Enterprises as well as representatives from the

[18:36] family. Um, last time we saw you was probably [snorts] May.

[18:42] We've been formally submitted since that time. had the request reviewed by

[18:49] commission as well as the township planning commission and we're here this

[18:54] evening to ask the board to consider scheding public hearing on the request.

[19:00] So um what we have done obviously when we were meeting with the board I believe

[19:06] in April and May we discussed um looking at studying here that would retain a

[19:12] portion of the track for R1 res

[19:20] and a portion of the track for AO. So so that is what we've done with this

[19:25] submission. Um so generally what we have is we genally from that drainage ditch

[19:31] that enters through the property for that industrial zoning district

[19:36] boundary. There is a small portion of industrial

[19:42] zone that goes out to some view road that is not intended for any sort of

[19:47] access. As we've discussed all along, any industrial access would be internal

[19:52] through Bartlett Drive, not up to Z road. It's solely for purposes of being

[19:58] able to subdivide along future zoning district boundaries and to be able to

[20:04] have the required lot width and road age for that um future parcel of land. Then

[20:12] um the R1 zoning would um again match up with the R1 zoning that is on the north

[20:20] side of Science View Road as well as kind of being adjacent to the existing

[20:26] R2 lot. So you may recall that the monster farm property includes with a

[20:32] small 4 and a half acre lot of land that is zone R2. Um that is yeah right in

[20:40] that area there that is kind of uh adjacent to existing um single family

[20:47] detach along road that the zoning of that parcel is not changing and it would

[20:55] proposed um continued R1 zoning district and then we would take the um A1 zone

[21:05] that is exist sorry AO zone that is the church property extend that existing AO

[21:13] um zone into um church property. So I say church property enterprises has

[21:20] actually acquired that parcel of land. It is an L-shaped parcel of land that is

[21:27] um that purple extends up along this where you see the

[21:33] cursor there. So the piece that extends kind of

[21:37] East West is zone R1. The portion of it that extends north south is zone AO

[21:43] currently. So we would take the AO kind of into the site to mirror that existing

[21:50] AO and usually run along also the back of the church, but we would not run the

[21:55] AO behind where you had existing single family detached homes. So we repeat that

[22:01] R1 to match up the um proposed single family detached homes with those single

[22:08] family detach homes. And ultimately um what this results with is approximately

[22:16] 35 and a half acres industrial a little over 31 acres of AO and 22 acres of R1

[22:25] as well as um of course retaining the 4 and 12 acres of R2 that is already

[22:32] existing. Um, we felt this was an appropriate combination that gives you

[22:38] the make sure that we talked about the transition zone of AO up next to the

[22:44] industrial as well as that north water property which is directly to the south.

[22:49] Um, and the church property which is of course to the east continues the R1 zone

[22:55] to the south side road which is something we heard from the board if you

[22:59] would desire to succeed but also puts that industrial district up in the

[23:04] corner where you really are right in between those two existing industrial

[23:09] facilities. >> Um so I'll pause there I guess to see if

[23:14] there are comments um there from board or the board um has specific questions.

[23:21] » Did you solidify right away for to go into the industrial department?

[23:29] So the my understanding would actually be onto the south side there.

[23:36] » So that would be your only entrance egress into that.

[23:43] [clears throat] >> It would be like a shared access drive

[23:47] and Kinsley owns this property here. Okay.

[23:50] » Yep. >> So the main question is there will be

[23:52] zero trucks coming into Ford Road or to Mount S.

[23:58] That's correct. And um the um kind of the schematics, the sketches that I know

[24:06] Mike and his team have been playing with, there is absolutely no connection

[24:11] between the industrial development and the residential development,

[24:16] » right? But those trucks will still come up signs road once gets connected out

[24:21] the signs. >> Yeah, they'll come up and turn right

[24:25] into the industrial complex. And they still have the right to go

[24:29] straight forward and go to George Street, too.

[24:31] » Yeah. They'll be able to go out George because that's a truck route. They just

[24:36] can't use road. Okay.

[24:42] That will impact truck traffic on George Street somewhat.

[24:51] And is there any concern of the share access that industrial property

[25:01] » the share of the access

[25:05] to the south? >> Yes. Understand that it's properties on

[25:09] both sides. It's not a problem to >> we don't concern that. It would just be

[25:14] a waiver uh in the land development stage to you guys.

[25:19] » And from an emergency standpoint, Chief, any issues?

[25:23] » Honestly, Bo, go ahead, Chief. But I was thinking the

[25:31] this would be the emergency access. >> No, I understand. I mean,

[25:36] it's the only way in, but that's usually you only have one way into a place. The

[25:39] issue is whether you can get around the building, right?

[25:43] at least two access points and

[25:49] » but you can't get that because the only place you would have road treatment

[25:53] zones for emergency right because you can't that other

[25:58] property that goes up to Bart belongs to some other individual who would not give

[26:04] you >> that's the current you know that's the

[26:07] current situation obviously we're we're not the main development yet so that's

[26:12] whole process where we can continue to explore what might be needed from an

[26:17] emergency services standpoint. >> So you haven't approached the owner of

[26:21] that property. >> There has been a prior approach to the

[26:24] owner of that property, but you know that's a prior approach.

[26:29] » Okay.

[26:39] » Any staff questions? I don't have any questions

[26:46] » members

[26:49] commission approved this request. >> Our planning commission of York County

[26:57] [clears throat] that's one that I have trouble signing.

[27:01] » So if I if I can I can kind of maybe you through um the three points from your

[27:08] county planning commission that they had in their

[27:11] you obviously saw it, but um and then we did discuss those points. Obviously,

[27:17] please use the township planning commission when we were in front of them

[27:20] as well. Um so, county really had three points that they made in their letter.

[27:26] Um one is that this isn't fully consistent with your future land use

[27:30] map. I think we all know that. Um we did have discussions of that with the

[27:35] township planning commission. I think it was just an acknowledgement that um we

[27:40] has changed since that map was adopted and that this would be generally

[27:46] consistent with other um objectives in your comprehensive plan. Um they

[27:53] mentioned the fact that it's an security area. I mean I know that this board

[27:57] knows that doesn't stop a resial or development of the property. In fact the

[28:02] gross farm on the north side is design is also an area. So that was just

[28:08] something I think that your county mentioned just as a factor or something

[28:13] for awareness. And then your county planning commission was concerned that

[28:19] the reszoning follow identifiable parcel boundaries. And we talked with your

[28:25] planning commission about that as well that should the property be resoneed,

[28:30] the intention is to then subdivide along these partial boundaries so that you do

[28:36] end up with um so many districts that do paralle

[28:49] road is to provide um your zone or is necessary

[28:54] so that that can be subdivided into a separate parcel and now you have a

[28:59] parcel that's own industrial and that addresses that county planning

[29:04] commission comment. We can likewise subdivide

[29:09] excuse me so that you have you know basically your zoning district following

[29:14] separate parcels and that would happen and you know if the board were to

[29:18] approve the reszoning um that's something that then immediately would

[29:23] follow on that and that was one of I think the one of the conditions that

[29:29] recommendation for approval is that subdivision [clears throat]

[29:33] then would follow

[29:40] So with the industrial make sure I understand is you extended

[29:46] that one because it follows the natural boundary must come right

[29:51] » and then two it gives you enough road frontage where you could off that

[29:58] particular piece of property and access it from side to

[30:01] » no not access only your zoning ordinance requires for a parcel to be a standalone

[30:07] parcel, then you need to have lot and lot is defined as heavy.

[30:14] » So then it would be so [snorts] if you put two buildings in there, you have

[30:18] more shared drive down. >> Yeah, it's not large enough for I don't

[30:23] believe for two buildings, but yeah, the idea is just that

[30:28] » Oh, sorry. Now I get it. My apologies. You don't have to explain anymore. You

[30:33] can actually Sorry.

[30:42] » Is there any estimated numbers for how many apartments or how many individual

[30:48] homes would be put on that R1? >> I mean, I know it could be three, but

[30:53] could it be up to 50 or 100? >> The R1

[31:00] we're [clears throat] looking Um I don't know about how many like 40

[31:06] » 34 homes in the R1. The um AO is really limited. You have a 25% lot coverage in

[31:15] the AO. So we have it might build

[31:26] too many more because

[31:34] So the your hop zone has a number of factors that while it may seem like a

[31:40] lot of acreage because of the factors in your air will limit the density that you

[31:46] can have in that zoning district. So the buildings themselves of course are

[31:50] limited in resource and height and 125 ft in length. So you can't do any of

[31:56] those really super big long apartment buildings thing we talked about maybe

[32:01] planning commission talking about that with that for example that large engine

[32:06] co multifamily building that I think is a whole burrow you couldn't do something

[32:12] like that in your zoning district um the other factor the really big limiting

[32:18] factor is your coverage which is 25% so 25% coverage till you put buildings

[32:27] and parking and access drives um you're limiting what is available for actual

[32:35] vertical construction

[32:38] » and would the R1 tie in design view and board rate?

[32:43] » Yes. So the the R1 and the A1 would be um our expectation it would be

[32:48] interconnected. So there would be an access to size view and an access out to

[32:53] B road so that you could for the residential component you would have two

[32:58] points of interest and address for the residential um for the residents of the

[33:03] community for fire and emergency services.

[33:06] » Thank you. >> Sure.

[33:11] » Any other questions?

[33:15] » I do have a question. Um Stacey, did you investigate the impact on the school

[33:20] district taxes with the apartment office and R1?

[33:26] » So, um I would say we investigate the impact on taxes. I will say that um and

[33:31] I think I mentioned this in the application, we did take a look at just

[33:35] generally historical enrollment which has um seen some growth in your school

[33:40] district but not nearly as much as some of the other um school districts in the

[33:44] area. But additionally, um Kinsley has some similar apartment projects as to

[33:51] what they would be doing here and really looking at the apartment component of

[33:54] it. um similar projects with one to two bedrooms. They have about 8% of those

[33:59] units actually have school age children. So we we recognize that um yes we are

[34:06] looking at maybe about 35 single family homes. That's really where school age

[34:11] children are primar primarily going to reside very limited percentage of the

[34:16] apartments are anticipated they actually have school age children. Does the

[34:20] school district count those though in whatever equation they come up with? So

[34:25] regardless of that Okay. >> Yeah. So the school district does

[34:28] comprehensive planning every few years and they look at your um zoning and they

[34:35] have anticipated growth for the area that they um you know look into and

[34:41] consider in their longrange.

[34:47] I'm going >> the other thing and reading through you

[34:50] also mentioned about the amendment to the comprehensive plan and also about

[34:56] housing needs in York County from York County Planning Commission and I looked

[35:01] through that information and basically they're saying we need more affordable

[35:06] housing

[35:09] not necessarily we need more investments >> and and I would be I will say

[35:15] affordable. I I'm always cautious about using that term because right um I I

[35:22] would say attainable housing a lot of times. So attainable housing meaning

[35:27] housing that um young professionals or young people can afford or that

[35:34] sometimes older people can afford or maybe people who aren't living on um you

[35:41] know a a salary that can afford a 450 000,

[35:46] » right? Because the living wage in New York is close to 20 bucks an hour,

[35:51] » right? And then when you read about those things,

[35:55] it talks about like apartments being within walking distance of a lot of

[35:59] services. And while I could see how you probably tie that in to somewhat, you

[36:05] still got to cross George Street to get to things and get down the giant if you

[36:09] want to like that walking community type of deal. So I struggle with that a

[36:14] little bit too. Again, where I struggle with the most is

[36:21] really industrial space.

[36:29] » Well, definitely on the um walkability. I mean certainly um it puts any workers

[36:37] there in close proximity to a lot of jobs. Um but I I do understand, you

[36:43] know, trying to get there. Maybe that's something during the land development

[36:46] process we can look at um walking corridors,

[36:50] » walking corridors, bus routes and and things of that nature because I can

[36:55] certainly understand, you know, if you go back to what

[36:58] county needs, not that this township needs to solve that problem, you know,

[37:03] but you do point out that that's something to be factored in and that's

[37:06] what really jumped out through that, I guess. you know there spend a lot of my

[37:14] time used to anyway he's working up in New York City you know the one guy lived

[37:18] on Staten Island so for him when I say like oh in the car I got to go hear him

[37:23] yeah I do all that within walk distance of my house

[37:28] » obvious

[37:30] Well, again [clears throat] the best of all these different worlds

[37:38] here. It provides some of that affordable housing. It keeps some of

[37:42] your R1 across the street from the R1, but it also does bring in a small amount

[37:49] of additional industrial will offset any um maybe burden um taxes that might come

[37:57] about. from the resoning to um residential

[38:03] know that the invest will certainly shoot out some some bas

[38:14] it's that kind of balloon mentality push

[38:20] so we know that if you build a bunch of houses you know the factors were like

[38:24] 2.58 people in a household planning information. So that suggests

[38:30] at least one child. So the school when you look at that it said the school's

[38:35] enrollment over the past couple years is slightly declined. But you build you

[38:39] know that out one half acre lots. I think you said 40 homes and 30 acres if

[38:46] I got it right. So that would suggest, you know, probably maybe over 100 homes,

[38:52] which could mean the school might have to expand, but it depends on when they

[38:56] all show up. And then that additional infrastructure certainly on solar

[39:02] authority going off of memory, for some reason, I thought it had like 2500 EU

[39:08] left in it based on the report I was looking at. And so one EDU is a

[39:12] household, 250 gallons. So ultimately that puts some strain on the solar

[39:19] authority understanding of course the developer would be developing all that

[39:23] but tying into that system ultimately probably use up the majority use I think

[39:30] that's certainly a significant portion and so that plays into it

[39:37] just kind of thinking through all the issues

[39:43] I don't think I have

[39:48] Okay. Okay. I'm I'm I feel obligated to ask. I think I know the answer, but is

[39:54] the Musers okay with this type of plan? >> Sorry.

[39:58] » Um, are you guys okay with this type of plan?

[40:02] » Are we okay with this plan? Absolutely. >> Okay. I I knew that answer, but I I have

[40:07] to ask. It's what we believe meets the

[40:11] township's needs and the families the property will be sold.

[40:16] » So it's a matter of what can be done and we respect the Kinsey family enough to

[40:24] make those decisions as well. >> Okay. Thank you.

[40:29] I'd like to make a motion that we authorize NPL Law Firm to advertise for

[40:33] a hearing to adopt the reszoning request for the properties on 4390 Board Road,

[40:42] Manchester, PA. I'm going to read off the partial numbers for you.

[40:47] » You got them. Okay, >> the following partial numbers there uh

[40:51] for a hearing for the board of supervisors meeting on October 13th.

[40:56] » I'll second that motion. We have a motion and a second. Is there any

[41:00] further discussion? All those in favor signify by saying I.

[41:06] » Motion carries. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[41:14] » Andy, that takes us to your report.

[41:20] The first item on my report this evening is ordinance 2026-5.

[41:26] Uh this is an ordinance that will repeal the per capita tax in the township.

[41:32] This has been advertised for adoption and

[41:40] I said

[41:46] action. >> Okay. And that will go in effect on

[41:50] January. >> Yes, that's that's correct.

[41:53] » For the year.7 would be effective January 1.

[41:58] » Okay. I make a motion that we approved

[42:01] ordinance 2026-5. I'll second that. We have a motion to

[42:07] second discussion. All in favor signify saying I. I. Motion

[42:12] carries.

[42:16] Yes. >> Yes.

[42:19] I know you guys have decided to do this, but

[42:23] I don't understand why. >> I mean, it's nice to get a tax break,

[42:28] but this money coming in you tax.

[42:36] » I'll let our managers explain [clears throat] the reason.

[42:40] » Sure. Hold on. I'm just grabbing my notes here. I don't have to speak

[42:44] anything. Okay. So, I'm just going to recap some

[42:49] items. Um, and this was discussed in several meetings.

[42:55] » No, it's it's okay. Um, but uh pretty much in a nutshell, we had uh our tax

[43:02] collector Kathy uh put together statistics for us to

[43:08] assess uh the facts uh surrounding this per capita tax. And uh we also asked our

[43:17] attorney several questions. He gave us a lot of information. There's uh the local

[43:22] tax enabling act puts caps on several taxes including the income per capita

[43:29] and local services tax. And the statute then has a provision that says if two

[43:34] tax authorities levy the same tax, in this case it's the school district and

[43:39] the township, each levy $10 per capita, but you only you half it. So that's why

[43:46] we would get $5 and school district gets $5 per person. Um and and that's for as

[43:55] so long as both collect it. Uh Kathy did some research for us. It turns out of

[44:02] all the municipalities um that that are a part of Northeastern

[44:07] School District, only East Manchester Township until now uh and Manchester

[44:14] Burough were the only two left still assessing that tax uh on residents

[44:21] » uh the per capita tax. school districts were the ones that were only ones that

[44:26] were doing it, but it was this couple school districts.

[44:30] » Uh so what we found out was that um the northeastern school district did not

[44:37] take over. So according to that law, if one gets rid of their half, the school

[44:42] district in this case could say, "Well, we want the township's half from those

[44:47] residents now." And technically you wouldn't be getting a tax break. But we

[44:51] learned that if they do that, the board can reinstate that per capita tax so

[44:56] that we get the funds instead of the school district. But history shows that

[45:01] they actually have not taken other municipalities

[45:05] half uh the other municipalities that got rid of it. Um, so that would be

[45:10] Goldsboro Burough, York Haven Burough, Mount Wolf Burough, Konowago Township,

[45:14] and Newberry Township all eliminated their per capita tax and the school

[45:19] district did not take the half. >> So we're still going to get a $5 per

[45:23] capita tax for school >> for the school district. Yep.

[45:27] » Correct. Um, and so >> I don't see why you guys don't

[45:31] » Well, and that Well, it's not very much money. Um, so we actually were only

[45:36] collecting after, you know, delinquents and all the

[45:42] mailing and the chasing and all of that stuff. We were only getting about uh

[45:47] $25,000 uh from it when it's set said and done

[45:51] for something that's a very laborous collection between our tax collector and

[45:56] the delinquent tax company. >> And the difference there, right, is the

[45:59] school district includes with her other school taxes. So, it's not a separate

[46:03] bill that goes out. >> That very good point. That is correct.

[46:06] Um, ours is a separate bill and so it's harder to get people they assume that

[46:15] what they're already paying Kathy for the taxes is already roping in that per

[46:20] capita and it's not. It's separate. So, it gets ignored very often. So, our

[46:24] percentage rate for who doesn't pay it is high, pretty high. Um and

[46:30] » the economics made sense, >> right?

[46:32] » To to move forward, >> but but uh that that's why we could

[46:36] always we could always, you know, collect it again.

[46:46] » That's true. >> The other piece of [laughter]

[46:49] as you know, we did increase our taxes last year, which took effect this year.

[46:56] So that factored that small amount into the overall equation of it and so again

[47:01] the economics were really the driving decision. So

[47:06] » thank you. >> Yep.

[47:10] » And 8.2 resolution.

[47:17] Next then is uh resolution 2026-10

[47:25] which is the employee handbook updates and those were distributed to and that

[47:32] resolution is ready for

[47:38] any questions from the board or any concerns about the employee handbook

[47:44] revision. Okay.

[47:49] And I'll make a motion that we adopt resolution 2026-10.

[47:55] » I'll second that. >> We have a motion to second discussion.

[47:59] All in favor call by saying I. >> I.

[48:02] » Motion carries. Uh the the only thing I will add is that

[48:09] one there's one item in that handbook amendment as you already know um because

[48:15] it was uh employee matter uh discussion with our solicitor. Uh so I can't say

[48:22] very much but um that we received a anonymous letter um about an employee

[48:30] and after investigation it was found that that employee is in fact not in

[48:35] violation of any of our handbook uh policies nor are they in violation of uh

[48:42] the amendments to the policy which actually got stronger. Um but I just

[48:47] wanted to mention that >> I appreciate that.

[48:51] » Yep.

[48:55] » Okay. Uh moving on then. Uh next is approval of the way temporary

[49:03] construction easements. Uh these have been uh executed. So this is a

[49:10] ratification by the board. Uh that is necessary.

[49:16] perissor

[49:28] construction. >> Correct. To ratify. Yep.

[49:32] » I'll make a motion that we authorize the chairman sign temporary construction.

[49:41] » I'll second. Motion second. to discussion.

[49:46] All those vote in favor signify by saying I.

[49:48] » I.

[49:52] » And then along with that Christian, you had on

[49:57] the agenda the floor plan. >> Oh yes. Yes. Um

[50:04] that let me just get that up here for you

[50:08] guys. that came today uh for Shane to look at. Uh but basically it's espresso

[50:18] ways you as we all know we were the permitting

[50:23] uh municipality for with pendot to obtain uh uh work a work permit for

[50:31] improving espresso way but handover company is going to do the work and they

[50:37] also came up with the detour plan um and they gave us two plans And so for

[50:47] obvious reasons, you're going to see that we don't recommend one of them and

[50:52] it was an oversight from handover company. And then the other side is what

[50:58] we recommend you approving. Um, as soon as I get it here. Hold on one second.

[51:07] I have so many emails, guys. And then and Shane Shane if you could

[51:13] please take over that discussion.

[51:16] » Can you give it up? >> Yeah. Yeah.

[51:23] » Start the next one. >> Oh, okay. Sure.

[51:27] Yeah. This is the one for obvious reasons that

[51:30] » Yes. This one here. I know it's hard to see. Um, so they're going to be closing

[51:36] espresso away from the last driveway at Canal.

[51:40] That detour plan there includes Ford grade as a detour route and we can't do

[51:46] that. It's already going to be a no truck route right start

[51:50] » right [clears throat] >> and it can't be shorter and simpler

[51:54] which they did for the second. >> So we would reject that proposal

[52:00] » as soon as I get it here. There we go. >> Yeah, this one's very simple. It's just

[52:06] Willow Springs at Canal is >> pretty much your next best shot and

[52:12] that's what they do there. So Willow Springs department and

[52:18] » or or back out down Willow Springs to connect one way either way. So

[52:23] » they're not going to they're not going to take them up through Canal extended.

[52:30] No, it shouldn't need that at all to get just because they closed that one area.

[52:35] » Yeah. Yeah. The only thing we're detouring there is

[52:42] that little piece of closure. >> When did this construction take place?

[52:49] » This year from what we understand, >> uh, it appears so. Byron, do you know?

[52:56] My understanding is this year's hand.

[53:03] » Yeah. >> Resources.

[53:06] » I mean, we had our deadline hard to get. >> Yeah. He also explained to me today um

[53:15] had not they're not pushing for the the complete closure of it, but they would

[53:20] like that because let them work with unencumbered, right? And they should

[53:24] they should pass down in six weeks if they can.

[53:28] » And then on the heels of that >> I'm the six weeks.

[53:33] » Yeah. [laughter] Five count.

[53:37] » Um so on the heels of that then will will those springs become the culdeac we

[53:41] designed? >> I'm going to say not this year. We're

[53:44] beyond paving season by then. >> Plus now I miss not being on vacation.

[53:50] Um >> okay. I I want to speak with them about

[53:53] that to see when they do the canal road project

[53:57] if I can also tie our closure into that at the same time of the extension the

[54:03] betterment process the whole way out to the trail.

[54:06] » Yeah. So hopefully while they're working down there makes it easier on us to

[54:10] close out in the road while they're down there already working anyway. So

[54:13] » yeah because give them a place to park their equipment too close.

[54:17] » There you go. Yeah. Yep. Yep. to keep them out that bare road could be used

[54:22] for >> parking their stuff for a while.

[54:25] » Okay. >> Yeah. So, I'm hoping spring or

[54:29] » but bottom line is is expressway should get done this year

[54:34] » and then Willow Springs the following. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Uh if I could

[54:41] have a motion uh to reject the board road proposal and to accept the Willow

[54:48] Springs proposal. >> Make a motion to reject the

[54:53] detour that uses board road and to accept the detour

[54:59] that uses Florida and Willow Springs.

[55:06] I'll second a motion. Motion second. Further discussion.

[55:13] All in favor signif. >> I

[55:20] man. Next on my agenda is the deeds of

[55:25] dedication for manor. Uh and this is to complete some road in front of the set

[55:33] of town houses. their deeds of dedication uh in your materials for

[55:39] board for 4247

[55:49] George 4247

[55:53] road

[55:58] » and so is this to make more >> yeah this is I believe this is just for

[56:04] widening the supposed to be done as part of this house development in the first

[56:08] place over a decade ago.

[56:14] » Is that been there what 10 years?

[56:22] Is that the is that the

[56:26] pile of dirt still in front of us? >> That's that's actually what pressured

[56:30] them just to this. Yeah. Go ahead, Kate. Let them know what you what you did

[56:35] there. That's your >> received complaints about animals, I

[56:40] guess, hiding in this weed pile. Where's the dirt pile? So, I had to send them a

[56:45] uh violation letter for high grass and weeds. And that's kind of where it all

[56:49] started. It was just going after that. So I started fighting

[56:54] him and then >> he was asking what he needed to do and

[56:58] uh he trimmed it down and she explained to me why the dirt piles there

[57:04] » for future building of the top soil. >> Yeah,

[57:08] » but it's been there for 10 years, >> right? Um so we were giving him an

[57:13] ultimatum of either remove the top soil pile or start making progress on this

[57:21] » and that's what he's doing. Okay. So, all right. Somebody motion motion to

[57:27] approve the deeds of dedication.

[57:38] I'll make a motion that we authorize the chairman signed of dedication for

[57:43] department along.

[57:49] » I'll second that. Okay. Commission second. Any

[57:54] further discussion? Seeing none, all in favor of the motion

[57:57] sign say I. >> I.

[58:03] » And then Christy, when you when you have this signed, would you be able to

[58:08] circulate the PDFs of them back to you at

[58:16] » Who is it? >> Chris Schwab.

[58:19] » Oh, is he the one who took over the project from John? Yes,

[58:22] » Chris Schwab. >> Yes,

[58:27] » even if you just >> If I see an email from him, I'll put him

[58:32] in on it. But if not, then yeah, I'll have you do it.

[58:37] » Oh, okay. No problem. >> Sold these. I got to be notorious.

[58:41] [laughter] >> Correct.

[58:44] I have a lot of signatures that I need. The next item on my agenda then moving

[58:49] on is the sewer authority intergovernmental agreement.

[58:55] This is an agreement that has been hanging out there for several

[59:01] years for Manchester Bur

[59:06] Township uh to agree on some of the specific terms for the operation

[59:12] authority

[59:15] including districts and

[59:21] some other uh

[59:24] The sewer authority is asking for comments from each of municipalities

[59:30] agreement circulated 2120s

[59:35] that did not get executed but had most of the comments in to that point.

[59:44] So what I would ask for

[59:49] from the board at this time and from the comments that received back from the

[59:54] board, I believe the comments that the township would

[1:00:03] like to forward authority in addition to the changes

[1:00:08] that were in there before. uh would be to increase the board membership to

[1:00:15] membership potential four members in the board.

[1:00:20] And then also on the

[1:00:28] potential termination and dissolution of the authority that that be by a majority

[1:00:35] vote of the authority board as well as an affirmative

[1:00:40] vote of municipalities. So two of the municipalities.

[1:00:45] I think the next step would be to prepare those comments

[1:00:52] and agreement.

[1:01:05] The one other comment I do have is when I look back at this

[1:01:12] board membership byation of the authority so

[1:01:19] that agreement

[1:01:23] agreement

[1:01:27] change agreement

[1:01:32] the remain revisions from 2021

[1:01:40] back at that time. I proposed

[1:01:49] » I think what we would ask for we would prefer that Andy work

[1:01:55] through the solicitor of super to

[1:02:02] work between them getting our recommendation for

[1:02:07] » I would agree. Do you need a motion?

[1:02:11] » If you want me to if you want me to make the changes and bring them back to the

[1:02:16] board first, I can do that. If you want me to go ahead and send them now, I can

[1:02:20] do that.

[1:02:24] » Yeah. Now, I think this bottom line is if there's something else that comes up,

[1:02:29] this is a process, right? That's not what's

[1:02:32] » Yeah, there there will be another >> So you need a motion in order to trigger

[1:02:38] the release of >> Yeah.

[1:02:41] motion forward.

[1:02:45] » Um I make a motion that we authorize attorney Miller to release our comments

[1:02:51] to the inter municipal agreement to the store authority council.

[1:02:57] » I'll second that. Okay, we have a motion in a second for discussion. I'd like to

[1:03:03] let the audience know that we're basing this basically on edu.

[1:03:08] Um we feel that the township has a lot more customers than the two bureaus and

[1:03:14] uh we want to reflect that in the voting

[1:03:19] edus andor the actual revenue >> actual revenue

[1:03:24] » because commercial and industrial are charged different rates than what

[1:03:29] individuals. >> Yes.

[1:03:33] So we will have to if the two burers reject this to go back to the drawing

[1:03:39] board. >> Again it's a process.

[1:03:42] » Okay. >> So I'll call for the vote. All in favor

[1:03:45] of the motion signify say I >> motion carries.

[1:03:53] Next then is the fire company use ordinance. This will be an ordinance

[1:03:59] that would authorize and allow fire company to

[1:04:07] collect fees or calls that go in calls or false alarm calls.

[1:04:17] allow for a fee structure for that. I'm bringing this back. I believe

[1:04:24] Christy is working and chief is working on

[1:04:30] some of these fees yet putting that schedule together.

[1:04:35] » We do have it, Andy. I just forgot to send it to you. Um but the board did uh

[1:04:39] see it in their books. >> Okay.

[1:04:42] » Um I can forward that to you though. It's not in a It's not in our format.

[1:04:48] Um, it's raw. I just didn't have a chance. It still looks good though.

[1:04:52] Thank you. I love the colors. It makes it easier to read.

[1:04:57] » So, this is about getting >> the reinforcement.

[1:05:03] » Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. The ordinance is Yeah, the

[1:05:08] ordinance has not been uh advertised yet. So, that would the next step. Uh we

[1:05:16] did also I believe uh last month we had the question of

[1:05:22] whether we wanted to authorize emergency services to collect fees in excess of

[1:05:29] available insurance proceeds uh when there is a a claim that can be made. Uh

[1:05:35] and my understanding was the board did not want to do that but wanted the

[1:05:42] collections limited to available insurance proceed. So you did make that

[1:05:46] change at the top of page seven in section

[1:05:55] it does

[1:05:58] limit those

[1:06:04] questions.

[1:06:13] Yes. That was just

[1:06:19] information. >> Yes. And the fee schedule will be

[1:06:24] established by resolution. So we will put together a separate fee resolution

[1:06:29] for that to adopt that fee schedule. >> And I want to just add that um what

[1:06:37] chief came up with um for uh what did we call it like a re it's re I hate to call

[1:06:43] it a fee schedule. It's more like a reimbursement of service or

[1:06:47] » recovery >> recovery. That's it. Um but this is

[1:06:52] what other uh fire department or municipalities have adopted for their

[1:06:57] fire departments. Um so the the fee structure follows that closely. Uh

[1:07:03] correct? >> Yep.

[1:07:08] » Yeah. Yeah. He didn't pull these out of thin air, I think, is what I'm trying to

[1:07:11] say here. It came from >> correct we looked at

[1:07:23] » correct

[1:07:37] [clears throat]

[1:07:41] » Okay. different. >> So you need to advertise.

[1:07:47] » Yeah. If you want to move forward with a motion to advertise the ordinance and

[1:07:52] then a separate motion to authorize it.

[1:07:57] » I like I make a motion that

[1:08:05] » I'll second a motion. We have another. >> So we have a motion, a second. Is there

[1:08:12] any discussion? >> All in favor signify by saying I.

[1:08:16] » I. And then the next part is he needs a motion. I'll make this motion to draft

[1:08:23] the resolution with the fee schedule for the ordinance.

[1:08:32] » Yes. >> Okay. We have a motion to second

[1:08:34] discussion. You had to use red and green.

[1:08:38] All right. On your chart.

[1:08:42] » Couldn't you see it? >> No.

[1:08:43] » Hold [clears throat] Steve. >> On my computer. I can't say. Did you

[1:08:48] call it? >> No. All in favor signify by saying I

[1:08:52] » I couldn't leave because it's >> Are you color block?

[1:08:57] » Well, maybe. >> Okay. [laughter]

[1:09:00] » You should tell me. Then I won't use that color.

[1:09:04] What color would you like? >> Yeah. [clears throat] What would you

[1:09:06] like to see? >> Well, that's actually a good cue. If you

[1:09:09] wanted to sign something, do it in red and green.

[1:09:12] » My my predecessor could not see I think red and green.

[1:09:16] » He thought the green the grass looked like red, like it was on fire. He said

[1:09:21] » as long as they don't change the uh traffic lights.

[1:09:26] » Turn them upside down. >> The uh the last thing on my agenda then

[1:09:31] is just uh fire company and proposed fire

[1:09:38] to establish authority and responsibility for fire

[1:09:44] chief. My understanding is that previous

[1:10:04] Okay. >> I mean, that's me, but I'm one of three.

[1:10:07] So, I didn't go back and repeat again.

[1:10:14] » All right. Motion to table until that meeting.

[1:10:18] » I second favor.

[1:10:24] » And that's that's all I have. >> Any questions for Andy?

[1:10:31] » No. Okay, Byron.

[1:10:34] » Uh, first item on my list is Mo Street pipe work.

[1:10:38] Again, we haven't started pipe work in our area. I did talk with one of the

[1:10:44] contractors. U he is going to be starting hopefully next week the water

[1:10:50] man relocate. They have to water to relocate portion of the water man in

[1:10:55] that area. So, he's doing that and I actually at York excavated.

[1:11:01] So I worked I kind of worked with him just gave him some information regarding

[1:11:05] our sue that he never heard salt from pandot so that he's more comfortable

[1:11:10] where the he didn't know the gas and and the sewer line on top of one another and

[1:11:16] it's kind of how it's actually but um he didn't know they were touching so I just

[1:11:22] kind of shaping my head courtesy heads up

[1:11:25] » so they're supposed to start that portion

[1:11:28] » as far as the kind of red storms

[1:11:32] I think Chrissy was called a few times, but

[1:11:36] they're waiting for I guess the water first.

[1:11:40] Um, Will Springs called the sack. Shane gave

[1:11:45] me all his information. Uh I have the draft ready to go back

[1:11:52] change information.

[1:12:01] » Uh do we did we decide what kind of gate we want

[1:12:05] here? Senator

[1:12:13] come down late. Well, I think I think we wanted to go

[1:12:20] all our future gates beside activated and we can do an extended uh solar panel

[1:12:28] get it out of the shade and underground wire to the

[1:12:34] Yeah, we could probably pull I was thinking electric and that's where I

[1:12:37] knew you wanted. You know what I mean? But let me check on that.

[1:12:42] » Right. >> Yeah.

[1:12:46] just calls out. >> Yes.

[1:12:49] » So >> that's why

[1:12:51] » so we we have a little more flexibility. >> I just want to come back to the focus

[1:12:56] that we have or I guess the goal we have is if we're putting data center in one

[1:13:01] remote control. >> Yeah.

[1:13:05] » Right. >> Right.

[1:13:06] » And so if we can power them up with a solar panel that's going to provide

[1:13:11] enough power, great. If not, then they're going to be paying electric

[1:13:16] » and paying to install electric, too, right? But in the grand scheme of

[1:13:19] things, that's a small price to pay to get that kind of access, right?

[1:13:25] » Yeah. Yeah. Usually solar does not um unless you were having problem.

[1:13:31] » Okay. Down behind the willow there, unless we eliminate all trees, you know,

[1:13:35] I mean, right. That's the problem. >> Yeah. But would we remove any trees and

[1:13:41] whatnot to you? You could it would take a lot to get sun on it all day long,

[1:13:46] » but do you need sun all day? How many hours of sun do you need? And I guess

[1:13:50] those are questions just to >> kind of come back and they determine

[1:13:53] whether we need something else. >> We could we could put it on or something

[1:13:58] like that too. >> Yeah.

[1:13:59] » Yeah. >> Okay. Um, next item is the staff has

[1:14:07] been asking us to get together two grant applications which is the local share

[1:14:13] for grant which is due here again in September. Uh, first one steambo

[1:14:19] uh is to work machine mill 2 in off which gets rid of the old

[1:14:27] uh micro surfacing that we're having problems with. uh mil that put two

[1:14:32] inches back of 12.5 million pavement. Uh I did the estimate. I reached out to a

[1:14:39] couple contractors and find out what what the current rate is and came up

[1:14:43] with an estimate that worked grand amount was $400,400

[1:14:48] to do all that. That's almost what 3,000 3200 ft of road call.

[1:14:59] So what I'm looking for on that one, I have given a resolution.

[1:15:05] Uh that's part of the requirement. Uh so I'm looking for approval of the

[1:15:09] resolution >> and authorizing me to sign it as the

[1:15:14] secretary. >> Right.

[1:15:15] » Uh and it would be resolution 2026-11.

[1:15:22] » I'll make a motion that we authorize the manager to sign resolution 2026-11.

[1:15:28] I'll second that >> discussion.

[1:15:32] All in favor say I. >> And if I [cough]

[1:15:39] just need Christie to give me a letter that says that the township's going to

[1:15:43] it's basically one sentence the township own

[1:15:50] finish the application to speak. >> Yep. And that that is key in that grant

[1:15:57] um because the next one there I contacted them. I have a contact with

[1:16:03] the LSA grant and I was picking her brain about this Dolbertton storm sewer

[1:16:10] situation and what this chalks up to is that we do not own that Dolbertton storm

[1:16:17] sewer pipe. So we would not be awarded that grant.

[1:16:22] Um so

[1:16:26] and unless you guys want to own it then we can go through with the resolution

[1:16:30] but um that is not something that I believe attorney Miller and he can say

[1:16:35] it for himself but he does not advise us to do such a thing.

[1:16:39] » So if you do not advise us to take over that we have to when we do maintenance

[1:16:45] on them plates where do we send the bill?

[1:16:49] I think that's what that's the difficult decision for the board to make. Um,

[1:16:56] we sent the the burrow and the township sent

[1:17:02] letter to the HOA in 2015 or 2016 when they

[1:17:10] were there were rumors that it was going to try to disband.

[1:17:16] Both municipalities specifically others saying you can't do that and they did it

[1:17:22] anyway without the municipalities knowing [clears throat] and ordered the

[1:17:28] termination without coming to any of the municipalities for consent.

[1:17:33] So this was never supposed to be like this. The township was never supposed to

[1:17:40] be in this position. Uh but I think the difficult decision

[1:17:45] for the board is do you held those

[1:17:50] residents accountable. I don't even know if any of them knew that the HOA was

[1:17:54] doing that either or participated in it in any way, but likely a lot of the

[1:18:00] residents there have no inclination or understanding of what transpired.

[1:18:09] I [clears throat] think the, you know, the board has to make a decision. Do you

[1:18:14] do you try to to assess those property owners or or not?

[1:18:19] I think legally we can do that because even though the HLA was standing

[1:18:27] liability asked this question um would it be

[1:18:32] possible to send letters to all the folks in

[1:18:37] tell them that there's going to be a meeting specifically addressing them

[1:18:41] bring I know it's here now but I mean to

[1:18:46] really notify the folks and tell them here's your choices. You know, here's

[1:18:51] the history and here's the choice. You know, my my view is

[1:18:56] I don't want, you know, yes, I I get that you're

[1:19:01] probably right. Most of the folks have no clue. Some folks that bought a house,

[1:19:05] say, a month ago have no clue even a year ago, right? And and so it's going

[1:19:09] to be news to them. So I'd much rather have and encourage some open dialogue

[1:19:14] with those folks who impacted from a township standpoint.

[1:19:20] We shouldn't take on that problem,

[1:19:24] right? I and we could I think that's up to the board if you want to have that

[1:19:30] kind of meeting with them and see I I think it's going to be very

[1:19:38] difficult for them to come together and actually uh do

[1:19:44] anything. I think they're in a whoever did this from the prior HOA boards has

[1:19:51] left them in a very in a no-win situation because legally I'm not I'm

[1:19:57] not even sure how they reformulate an HOA at this. In other words, there's

[1:20:04] HOAs are formed when there's a single owner of the property. forming an HA

[1:20:10] when it's no longer in civil ownership is is very very difficult

[1:20:16] but at the same time that leaves all members with

[1:20:22] with assessments individual assessments and that's kind of they just want to be

[1:20:28] able to have that dialogue to say you know in my view it's this is where it's

[1:20:34] headed this is what's coming your way and this is the estimated cost and you

[1:20:38] know, whether your property sits right over top that plate or you're in that

[1:20:44] community, you benefit from it. Do I

[1:20:50] think what would be critical in having that meeting is number one, you know,

[1:20:55] some of that history of what happened with it, but then also the information

[1:21:00] about the pipes and the work that's going to need to be done, grant

[1:21:05] applications, etc. the lack of being able to apply for a

[1:21:09] grant. >> Well, for that one in particular, um I

[1:21:13] honestly in my opinion, um the original plan was to just try to look for grant

[1:21:19] money to offset those costs. I think that we should continue to do that so we

[1:21:25] have all of our ducks in a row and maybe some good news.

[1:21:29] » Sure. >> To offset some of that heartburn.

[1:21:33] » I mean, sorry to interrupt you, but I mean, while the the contact said it

[1:21:38] won't be approved. You can still at least submit it and get the formal

[1:21:41] rejection, right? You can still look for other

[1:21:45] grants, too. Doesn't cost us to submit anything.

[1:21:48] » It does cost a little bit, but not very much.

[1:21:50] » Yeah. >> So, that's $100 we would spend.

[1:21:53] » Yeah. So, I could also offer this is the local grant which is due here in

[1:21:59] September 30th. There's another grant the exact basically the exact same grant

[1:22:04] statewide is due on October 30. So that gives us another 30 days.

[1:22:09] » I would apply for for both just to try and kick those doors.

[1:22:13] » So what we would have is not have a letter saying that township owns and

[1:22:17] maintains. >> I would give him the history to say look

[1:22:20] there was an HOA the HOA disbanded and so the township can't provide a letter

[1:22:24] but we're submitting you know for this community's behalf to see if there's a

[1:22:28] chance.

[1:22:31] I think that would kill it. >> Maybe, but but at least then you get the

[1:22:35] formal, you know, you went through the process. It wasn't just, you know,

[1:22:39] Christy talking to some contact. Again, I appreciate you doing that, but at

[1:22:42] least this way does a formal submission and they formally have to reject it.

[1:22:48] » I think you probably could say that the township has the authority without

[1:22:53] saying

[1:23:00] that be great just at least try versus not being 100 bucks

[1:23:07] it's a reasonable cost to at least try >> um if you guys so move that resolution

[1:23:14] then um uh Andy can you just send me the language for what I should write is all

[1:23:20] thank you >> I just have one other question if I may

[1:23:22] and Shane it's for you regarding that how long can that continue to go in its

[1:23:28] current condition. >> Um, most of it's on the engine pipes,

[1:23:31] but we do have lawns that are sinking between sidewalks.

[1:23:35] » I mean, guest obviously depends on weather and whether you get a 100year

[1:23:39] flood, but >> that's the I'm hoping another year or

[1:23:43] two, you know. >> Okay. So,

[1:23:45] » yeah. >> So, so looking at the picture I to help

[1:23:48] keep the calls down, Shane did a lot. I told Shane what I he did the photos. We

[1:23:52] met on site. He did all the photos and just look from my opinion looking at the

[1:23:57] photos is the a lot of places the bottom of the pipe is completely gone. It is

[1:24:02] » okay. However, there's enough cinders and sediment in the bottom that it's

[1:24:06] kind of acting as the bottom of the pipe temporarily. So, so I think you're okay

[1:24:12] like Shane said for a year or two, but it's something you don't want to have

[1:24:17] since and understand this pipe run that we were looking for for the grant is

[1:24:21] only one run in the development that will take the worst

[1:24:27] » because it'll it means the other pipes eventually will come around.

[1:24:31] » I'm going to say we did inspect them um uh

[1:24:37] five years you may get more than that out of it. You know, I mean, there was

[1:24:41] set the stage of what happened. >> This one was past the point. Yeah.

[1:24:45] » Yeah. The other ones, >> uh, if I remember correctly, all the

[1:24:50] bombs are still intact. But the bottom line is is we haven't run into a

[1:24:54] situation like this before anyway. >> No, we have metal pipes like that. Just

[1:24:59] not No, but I mean without the HOA disbanding and correct things of that to

[1:25:03] where we have a single door to knock on versus all the rest of it.

[1:25:08] » Yes. Yeah. Okay.

[1:25:11] » So, we have time, but yeah, you know, we should get moving.

[1:25:14] » So, again, I'm looking for approval of the resolution so I can continue to

[1:25:19] » I'll make a a motion to approve the necessary resolution uh so that Byron

[1:25:26] can submit the LSA grant for Dolbertton >> authorizing me resolution 2026-12.

[1:25:34] » Yeah, very please. >> Thank you. [laughter]

[1:25:40] I'll second

[1:25:43] » you got motion.

[1:25:50] » So sorry

[1:25:56] that last >> uh authorizing

[1:26:01] Mr. contract to move forward with the res sorry move forward with the LSA

[1:26:07] grant for Dolbertton man

[1:26:14] storm soil >> and then this resolution 2026-

[1:26:20] » 12 >> 12

[1:26:23] » and then authorizing me to sign it >> and authorizing township manager.

[1:26:28] » Yep. >> Okay. Okay, I have a motion and second

[1:26:32] discussion second.

[1:26:39] » I'll call for vote. All in favor of the motion signify by saying I

[1:26:43] » motion carry.

[1:26:47] » Um the last thing I just want to mention in my report is that Shane and I had our

[1:26:52] BC MS4 audit um two weeks ago, two Thursdays ago. Um, as far as I'm

[1:27:00] concerned, it went well. The the staff did a wonderful job and Shane's guys did

[1:27:05] a wonderful job cleaning everything. Everything looked really good. Um,

[1:27:10] really didn't have we we were we were supposed to get a

[1:27:15] written report within two weeks, two to three weeks and said, uh, I I got

[1:27:21] nothing out of him that said that we have any violation.

[1:27:25] So, we took him out on the site. We looked at old buildings. We took him

[1:27:29] down on five sites and looked at out falls. We looked at some BM current

[1:27:36] BMPs. We didn't we don't have any current construction projects. I

[1:27:40] couldn't take him to a current construction project which is but we

[1:27:43] took him to the five locations that he wanted to go see. A young guy and a

[1:27:48] girl. Um, and again, the only thing the only thing I'd say

[1:27:56] that they kind of really pushed was public outreach, which is one of the

[1:28:01] requirements, which is how can we reach out to businesses and the residents to

[1:28:06] make them aware of NS4 and we let's wait till we hear back. I

[1:28:12] mean, we've had public meetings and nobody showed up. We've had, you know,

[1:28:17] we've labeled stuff. I mean, we do mailers. We do um we do when people pick

[1:28:23] up the permit, they they get referred to when it rains a dream brochure. I mean,

[1:28:28] I think we're doing a lot already, but that was, you know, I think one of the

[1:28:34] things we mentioned is we talked about the Halloween parade and the staff is in

[1:28:38] the Halloween parade. Is we put a sign on the side of the trucks about leak,

[1:28:42] the dates of the leaf pickup, put a second sign on one of the trucks that

[1:28:46] says, [clears throat] "Hey, ask us about MS4" or something like that.

[1:28:50] » And I think that's all good. Maybe another thing is, you know, next year as

[1:28:54] we put the budget together, you know, the website improvements maybe

[1:28:58] » MS4 is only website. >> No, no, but it's it might be easier to

[1:29:02] find with a reconstructed and and to be honest, you know, MS4 had no clue what

[1:29:09] that is, you know. So, part of that education of what does it mean things of

[1:29:14] that nature? >> So, okay. I just wanted to bring that up

[1:29:17] and mention that. >> No, I think it's that's good. They're

[1:29:20] going to give us some feedback then. >> They're going to give us some feedback.

[1:29:23] Yes.

[1:29:26] If I would say I would say yes and it's I mean it's possible. I'm not I

[1:29:33] I think Shane you agree with me. I'm not real worried about it. It just we g we

[1:29:38] we were perfectly honest. We had nothing to hide.

[1:29:41] » So here here it is. So they looked at our our annual they actually had us send

[1:29:46] them the annual reports in the past few years. I did all that. our storm water

[1:29:51] ordinance. They listed like 15 items that they gave. So again, I have nothing

[1:29:57] to hide. >> Thank you.

[1:30:00] » That's all I had. >> Any questions for Byron?

[1:30:04] » No. >> Thank you, Byron.

[1:30:07] Christie, manager report. Oh, I'm sorry. Public works department work.

[1:30:13] » Any questions on our report?

[1:30:17] » No. Still liking the deer. >> Still liking the deer. The giant deer

[1:30:23] tractor. >> Oh, it's still getting fixed. So, yeah.

[1:30:26] Yeah, it's a Yeah, it's a great piece of equipment.

[1:30:31] » Um, uh, if there's no questions and I'd just

[1:30:34] like to have a discussion and I'm assuming you guys see the signs on

[1:30:40] here for the for the snow for no parking. Um,

[1:30:46] Andy, can you explain a little bit what it would take to possibly do this? But

[1:30:52] before you do, can I mention something that,

[1:30:58] and I'm pretty sure all of these I could be wrong without looking at the plans,

[1:31:02] but most of these developments that we're having issues with started out

[1:31:07] originally as no parking developments.

[1:31:13] So, can this just take that place, Andy, but for only certain times of the year?

[1:31:20] Did that make sense? Or I mean, technically, if they started out that

[1:31:24] way, I can go back and post them all again as no parking

[1:31:28] forever. >> I think you guys I think you would have

[1:31:31] to change the ordinance to do that. Wouldn't you have to add them as no

[1:31:34] parking roads? Right now, it's not listed. They're not listed.

[1:31:40] That's that's correct. To be able to >> say,

[1:31:46] » they'd have to amend the ordinance to address whatever roads are considered no

[1:31:51] parking. And so, >> wouldn't we already have that on for

[1:31:54] Lake Sherman? >> It would have got changed back when they

[1:31:57] allowed they would have been those roads would have been removed when they

[1:32:01] allowed parking on the streets. >> I don't believe we did. I believe one

[1:32:06] day I was just told you sign. Well, we can we can look we can win

[1:32:11] » if there's an ordinance in place that hasn't been repealed that allows for the

[1:32:16] parking and I don't you know what year that was

[1:32:21] I check did it 15 years ago but if if there's if if the ordinance is

[1:32:31] still in place for no parking then yes you can reestablish the signs

[1:32:38] put them back in. >> Could I reestablish it as the snow signs

[1:32:46] and not worry the other six, eight months of the year?

[1:32:50] » Well, exactly. I mean, that isn't going to be

[1:32:57] that isn't going to be supported by the study that's in it. And I don't know

[1:33:04] that that uh I don't know that that's

[1:33:11] that's necessarily required [clears throat] to do it.

[1:33:18] I think and what I'm just going back to the the emails we exchanged about it.

[1:33:29] » They're not listed just so you know. There there's a section that says that

[1:33:34] » type of use. Well, it's a it's prohibited parking at any time at

[1:33:39] certain locations and and the developments that I know

[1:33:44] he's talking about like Sherman Oaks for instance there. It's not on here.

[1:33:51] » Um traffic study establish

[1:33:58] it be simple because it's a one lane race which is technically all equal. You

[1:34:03] can't fence two carts in these streets without one waiting a quarter mile down

[1:34:07] the road while the other one >> if I recall that cart you were 26 or 28

[1:34:12] » it's 20 26 >> 26 so that's with parking that

[1:34:16] » yeah park two cars you just took 16 ft away

[1:34:20] » would would you be proposing this in every development that has a 50 foot

[1:34:26] rightway? >> Yes. only for the 26 foot rental. Yeah.

[1:34:29] Not the 60, >> right?

[1:34:31] » Yeah. >> So then it would be up to you guys. I

[1:34:34] think in the past uh the previous board um didn't want to

[1:34:42] do that because there were a lot of people who park on the road because they

[1:34:47] have grown kids now and things like that. And I think I and maybe Dave you

[1:34:52] can recall but I think that's why I think it was because so many people park

[1:34:55] on the road and use it. It but from Shane's standpoint it's a huge issue

[1:35:00] when it comes to weather or storm removal uh snow and ice.

[1:35:05] » It's also a huge issue for Chief >> and and emers very big point emergency

[1:35:10] services truck down through Apple. has tremendous amount of problems.

[1:35:22] Yeah. >> Yeah. The whole back street.

[1:35:27] » Yeah. And that's where one of my file operators who thought he could fit,

[1:35:31] » right? >> He made it like three, four cars in and

[1:35:34] realized I ain't going to fit. Well, when he backed out, he realized, you

[1:35:37] know, we hit the first two cars and he met trying to get through that. But

[1:35:40] yeah, that one's really bad. So, problems.

[1:35:46] » Yeah. >> So, I have Sherman Oaks, Orchard View,

[1:35:50] Greenfield, Greenwood, Asbury. It isn't bad because they're not all

[1:35:56] together in Ashbury, but it's still a narrow street. Um, Smith Gardens and

[1:36:00] Dton is is our vision. >> One thing to consider would be park no

[1:36:06] parking on one side and beyond the narrow streets of the

[1:36:13] Yeah. >> straight in nowadays. Yeah,

[1:36:18] [clears throat]

[1:36:21] » he did uh he did many years discuss no parking on one side of the street going

[1:36:26] down through do uh Oaks and we can't we can't get together with the with the

[1:36:32] mail US mail

[1:36:37] because they allow mailboxes on either side both sides.

[1:36:42] So, we were trying to get the mailboxes on one side of the street that you can't

[1:36:46] park on. >> Yeah. I don't even see how when that was

[1:36:49] delivered.

[1:36:53] » It It was a poor It was a poor design of that development right from the get-go.

[1:36:57] » Correct. In our streets. >> Yeah.

[1:37:01] » So, you're suggesting no parking when snow removal conditions exist.

[1:37:07] » Correct. >> And

[1:37:09] » that that can mean just a salt job. It's still a snow removal condition. Correct

[1:37:14] me if I'm wrong here, >> you know.

[1:37:19] » Yeah. >> Okay. And the the snow storage areas

[1:37:22] down in cesacs. Yeah. Is very important. Yeah.

[1:37:25] » Yeah. Chief way like that sign snow storage area. So where we don't have the

[1:37:30] driveways, it's where parks is only five. Um has two hours has a date

[1:37:36] November 15th, April sometime. You know what I mean?

[1:37:39] So, how do we enforce it?

[1:37:43] » Does it take an ordinance? Who's going to enforce it? And I want it enforced.

[1:37:48] » So, so >> just so we're aware because I I did read

[1:37:53] the sample ordinance that uh Andy supplied us from T uh Hopewell Township.

[1:38:00] Um, we do not, the township does not enforce

[1:38:05] anything on the road that the police department does that. The reason for

[1:38:09] that is because my staff is not legally allowed to have I don't know what the

[1:38:17] system's called, but it's the system where you can run the VINs and stuff.

[1:38:20] We're not legally allowed to have that. >> Yeah. And because I tried when I was the

[1:38:26] zoning officer, they wouldn't give it to me. [laughter] So anyways, um, uh, so

[1:38:32] and and you know, you never know who actually owns that vehicle. Just because

[1:38:36] they're parked in front of a house doesn't mean that it belongs to that

[1:38:40] house. Okay? So it is very difficult for township staff to enforce it per a

[1:38:47] ticketing system. Um, so it it would rely heavily on the police department to

[1:38:54] do that task. Um,

[1:38:58] I don't I don't know what else to say about that.

[1:39:01] » And and that was one of the reasons we took the signs down originally was

[1:39:05] because at least I was told we don't have enough

[1:39:10] of them to enforce it. >> So, I mean, it's a never ending battle.

[1:39:15] » It's a catch 22, right? >> Yes. So the signs would, you know,

[1:39:20] certainly tell folks remind you to please move your vehicle when it's this.

[1:39:25] Okay. >> And I'm hoping to deter some people.

[1:39:31] » I don't need them all to deter some. So

[1:39:34] » 50% right. >> Yes. Give give me 50%. Because years ago

[1:39:37] we only had certain little sections. >> Now it's all roads. So So I think the

[1:39:43] one thing I keep coming back to is there's no one tool that solves it all.

[1:39:47] I think it's a couple of different things. So, I think putting signage out

[1:39:50] there would help. >> Two would be, you know, if that

[1:39:54] particular development or developments that are problematic, do they have a

[1:39:58] Facebook page where you could go on and be like, "Guys, I'll rate your project

[1:40:03] for sure." >> No, understand.

[1:40:05] » Y and but again, the people that post it are very angry because they do move

[1:40:11] their cars. >> Sure. I've had neighbors yell at me

[1:40:13] because their neighbors are parked in front of their house during the snow.

[1:40:17] They're not even the ones parked there. I understand.

[1:40:19] » But yeah, >> so that's why I'm saying no one's full

[1:40:22] solves at all. These signs aren't going to solve it all. Correct. And when you

[1:40:25] get to enforcement, there's not enough officers to go doing that. And the point

[1:40:29] is is okay, they could ticket every car. It's not going to move them out of the

[1:40:33] way. >> Right. Our ordinance does allow, Kate

[1:40:36] just pointed it out to me, so good looking out there, but it basically

[1:40:40] gives the road master and the police department the authority to tow the

[1:40:44] vehicles during a weather event. >> Good luck finding a tow truck.

[1:40:48] » Yes. >> Again, they did it last year.

[1:40:52] » Was it Officer George? >> No. What township towed 380 something in

[1:40:57] the middle of the night? >> But didn't you say they knew? You have

[1:41:01] to have a plan if you're gonna 380 some cars.

[1:41:04] » But yes, they do. These cars were never >> You could do that, but before you do

[1:41:08] that, it'd be a function of We told you, we told you, we told you, and we told

[1:41:11] you again. Okay. >> Um, and that's why I say, you know, our

[1:41:16] website, all the things you've already done to to to do that.

[1:41:21] um and certainly putting the signs out but at the end of the day unfortunately

[1:41:26] I'm just hoping the signs like you said will get through

[1:41:29] » some portion 40% you know what I mean like

[1:41:32] » and what the other thing I was thinking about given you know solar powered signs

[1:41:37] you know is there because that sign's out there rain snow right

[1:41:44] um sunshine but if there was a solar powered sign that you could trip a

[1:41:50] message like we're coming. You know, this is a snow condition, please. You

[1:41:55] know, >> I could try using the the reader boards

[1:41:58] for the police officers. >> We we do that every year

[1:42:01] » during the winter. You know what I mean? >> Or do it out here,

[1:42:05] » but I might actually put it at the entrance to death.

[1:42:08] » And and maybe maybe that's another thing too to consider. You know, those small

[1:42:12] reader boards that we have, what do they cost? Would it make sense for us to have

[1:42:16] a couple to put at those developments as well? Well, they have a few. I think now

[1:42:20] we're all together. >> No, but even renting some or whatnot.

[1:42:24] I'm saying the township rents them and you know, they're calling for snow. It's

[1:42:27] like go to those couple developments that are problematic at their entry and

[1:42:32] put them up and fire them up and hopefully you get a few more to your

[1:42:36] corn chain. >> Yeah.

[1:42:37] » Again, I don't think one thing solves it all, but

[1:42:39] » yeah, but can I post a sign is the question.

[1:42:44] the the no parking signs in certain conditions in the first place.

[1:42:49] » Yeah. >> I mean, you you can post the signs

[1:42:54] whether or not they're enforceable. I mean, we could put

[1:42:58] Well, first of all, you almost have to declare

[1:43:02] that a snow emergency route to to require them to move. Uh, and you can do

[1:43:08] that. We I mean we could put into the ordinance, you know, certain I think

[1:43:14] this is a discussion we had. If you put in two inches,

[1:43:18] » you know, you may have two inches on one street, you may have an inch on the next

[1:43:23] street. So, it's that's really hard to measure. Yeah.

[1:43:26] » But we can put that in the ordinance. >> Um, you know, how enforceable they

[1:43:32] ultimately are. If you if you have to go enforce them, you know, I think the

[1:43:38] board just Uh and you just have to expect maybe difficult right to

[1:43:45] » but we're looking for deterrent >> right

[1:43:47] » and that wouldn't even bother me as much but

[1:43:51] just trying to >> but in terms of putting the signs up I

[1:43:56] mean it's not you know where you putting up a speed control sign or something

[1:44:01] like that certainly more concerns correct but

[1:44:06] putting up a sign like that I think I think it's okay if you just understand,

[1:44:14] » right? Okay. So, maybe we're just give it a try and

[1:44:19] you know, pick one development. See see what it does for

[1:44:23] y. So, all right. Thanks.

[1:44:28] What's weather event takes us to Christy Norththeast New York County Stewart?

[1:44:37] Um I I read through their minutes. It there's nothing spectacular happening.

[1:44:42] Um it they are constantly, you know, finessing their internal repair systems

[1:44:51] and uh uh just trying to make sure everything is working properly, it

[1:44:56] appears. And then I have one here. It looks like I did a repeat um because

[1:45:01] Andy addressed it already under his report [clears throat] for the

[1:45:04] intermunicipal agreement. So we can breeze over that.

[1:45:07] » Okay. So that takes us to Kate zoning officers reports.

[1:45:12] » So we don't have no meeting for September's uh zoning hearing board.

[1:45:18] I should know tomorrow we have a planning commission meeting. Um that

[1:45:23] would be for trade center 83 for their final

[1:45:27] uh plan. Um waiting on Chris Pencil to get back to me on that one. Um other

[1:45:33] than that, do you have any questions on my report or

[1:45:37] » just plot your planning commission?

[1:45:41] » So that you're saying it hinges on Chris?

[1:45:44] » Yeah. Okay. FBI game until tomorrow,

[1:45:48] » but they don't go to it then be nothing on the agenda commission.

[1:45:53] » Any question with the code enforcements requirements?

[1:45:57] » Yeah. Recreation board Christie.

[1:46:01] » Uh they did meet recently uh last week and uh they made a

[1:46:08] brochure. Um, they're going to get that, print it,

[1:46:12] and they would like to hand it out. I They uh plan to go to Touch a Truck.

[1:46:18] They did go to National Night Out, which I already reported to you. They just

[1:46:23] want to appear a bit more professional and try to recruit people and also show

[1:46:28] people uh or the the residents, you know, what they do and what our township

[1:46:34] has to offer for recreation. Um

[1:46:39] and and they they continue to talk about future events.

[1:46:43] » Oh, it looks like I'm so sorry I I misspoke. It looks like they're not

[1:46:46] available to come to Touch a Truck, but they will still have the flyers to give

[1:46:52] to Shane for the event. That's what it is. Sorry about that.

[1:46:58] » Yeah, the flyer does look >> Yeah.

[1:47:00] » I'm sorry. I was I I planned on make making that meeting death in the family.

[1:47:05] So, I couldn't attend. But I want to go to one of their meetings because there

[1:47:10] is interest if any of the residents remember what they used to call

[1:47:15] stay-at-home celebration way back when when the JC's put it on and stuff that

[1:47:21] uh uh the school district, the police department

[1:47:26] all are are are Lions Club

[1:47:32] are showing interest in renewing that and bringing that back. So, between the

[1:47:38] school district and all those departments and our recreation board, I

[1:47:41] think we it's it's an initiative to bring back the stay-at-h home

[1:47:45] celebration, whether it's multi-days or it's a carnival or whatever. We need

[1:47:50] more of those community involvements in our in our community. So, I will get

[1:47:55] with the rec board and float that by them.

[1:48:00] Uh

[1:48:03] 11.4 4 2027 minimum municipal obligations Manchester Towns.

[1:48:11] So that obligation is $48,132. >> Correct.

[1:48:16] » In those sense, >> you need a motion for that.

[1:48:19] » We we do. And just to reiterate, like I do every year, we uh have uh gotten more

[1:48:28] state aid than what we had to pay in uh for the previous year. So, um,

[1:48:36] technically we end up getting it back. Um, and that it's been like that for a

[1:48:40] very long time. So, let's knock on some wood. Um, but just so you're aware.

[1:48:46] » So, yeah, I'll entertain a motion for an obligation.

[1:48:52] » Yeah, I'll make a motion that we heard the 2027 MMO for East Manchester

[1:48:57] County's pension plan. the amount of the obligation amount of $48,132.

[1:49:04] Second that >> we have a motion to second discussion.

[1:49:09] » All in favor signify by saying I. I. >> I. Motion carries.

[1:49:13] » Takes us down to docar. >> Uh okay. So

[1:49:19] our license well first let me just say we have a program called Docstar. It's

[1:49:24] our electronic scanning system. Um, it was in existence before I ever worked

[1:49:30] here and I started here in 2014. Um, it was being actively worked on. Uh,

[1:49:38] the township was paying at that time. Stratex uh is what the company's name is

[1:49:44] now. They used to be called Block. Block uh was actually taking our documents and

[1:49:50] scanning them and keywording them for us. Okay. And that was the back scan

[1:49:57] project until we were day forward with our scanning.

[1:50:02] And we did that for some time until about two years ago when we stopped

[1:50:08] putting documents into Docstar. Um because we have uh a cloud permit

[1:50:15] manager that houses all of the property files and it used to be on local server

[1:50:22] but now now we have cloud storage for it at no additional cost with uh for permit

[1:50:26] manager and um uh that that's working very well for us very well and no point

[1:50:35] to have documents in multiple different areas that we then have to check for

[1:50:42] permits and projects and right to knows and whatever else we would need to do

[1:50:46] that for. Um, and also it's very hard to find documents in it because uh many

[1:50:56] different people through the times including like I said block systems

[1:51:00] keyworded our stuff and nobody did it the same or they did it improperly. So

[1:51:04] there are some documents that we just can't find uh because of that reason and

[1:51:11] uh Stratex and I we were and Jason our IT

[1:51:15] guy we were working on uh coming up with a solution so that we

[1:51:21] could just get our documents uh and and be done with Docstar. Okay.

[1:51:28] They lost our license or dropped our license out of nowhere with no notice.

[1:51:34] um while we were getting pretty close to our options and um SR Business Systems

[1:51:40] took it over and now we have uh only this meeting to make this decision, but

[1:51:46] staff and Jason and SR Business Systems uh worked very diligently to try to uh

[1:51:53] get us to make the best decision possible in a short amount of time

[1:51:57] before we lose our licensing. We we need to make this decision tonight. Um, so

[1:52:03] we're currently paying uh a little over $7,100 a year. Uh, that's option one.

[1:52:10] Option one is to not change anything, go back into a three-year contract with

[1:52:15] them, and we wouldn't lose any of our user licenses, and uh we could have not

[1:52:22] to exceed 5% of an increase for years two and three.

[1:52:26] And then option two would be to decrease the number of users and a three-year

[1:52:32] contract at a little over $3,800. Same thing, the not to exceed 5%

[1:52:38] increase in years two and three. And then option three is to export documents

[1:52:43] out completely uh for a onetime fee of $9,600.

[1:52:49] And uh then lastly, if we did options one or two, uh we would need to pay for

[1:52:57] blocks of time because they would need to teach us how to adequately use the

[1:53:02] system since apparently Stratex was not a very good uh I don't know what it's

[1:53:09] called. They they basically sold the product, didn't know how to work it very

[1:53:13] well. Let's put it that way. Okay. And SR Business Group, that's what they

[1:53:17] specialize in. After picking lots of brains and and

[1:53:22] thoroughly discussing this, staff recommends highly recommends to go with

[1:53:27] option three and export export all the documents out. They will be named how

[1:53:34] they were named in the system. So if it's named wrong in the in uh docstar,

[1:53:40] it will also be named wrong in the export. But at least we have an

[1:53:45] opportunity to change it. I mean, we would have an opportunity either way.

[1:53:49] The reason for the export is to just eliminate steps if we decrease the user

[1:53:54] licenses to the three-year contract for the $3,800.

[1:53:58] Um, we would pretty much be, in my opinion, prolonging uh a contract with

[1:54:04] somebody, paying an additional blocks of hours for help, and then we'd be

[1:54:08] creating more steps to even get our documents out because ultimately that's

[1:54:12] the goal. The goal is to get out all the property files and put them into permit

[1:54:17] manager cloud and then the rest of the documents we already have housed on our

[1:54:22] share file uh which is very well organized. Um so uh that's what we

[1:54:29] recommend and I talked to each of you a little bit about this uh individually to

[1:54:35] give you some background on it. Do you have any questions for me right now?

[1:54:40] No, you said your staff and we recommend option three.

[1:54:45] » Correct. >> I make a motion that uh we

[1:54:51] approve option three to export documents out at one time fee of $9,600.

[1:54:58] » I'll second a motion. >> I ask a question.

[1:55:00] » Yeah. Discussion. >> Sorry. Um,

[1:55:04] so I want to make sure when these things get exported, they're in PDF, which then

[1:55:11] the PDF depending on how it's exported is searchable. That's the first question

[1:55:16] that needs to be. >> He told me that it when it exports, it

[1:55:21] will export out its native, >> right? Whatever

[1:55:24] » you put in Word, it's coming out Word. If it's PDF,

[1:55:26] » but I'm going to tell you everything was scan. None of it should be Word. And

[1:55:30] there in lies maybe the issue because if it was scanned with technology back then

[1:55:36] it's probably an image and it's not OCR. So you can't search for words in the

[1:55:42] document, >> right? No, it'll be whatever it was

[1:55:45] keyworded. It'll >> I understand

[1:55:47] » the name and the title. Yeah. >> So that's number one. And number two is

[1:55:53] » say you want everything in permanent manager. But something caused me some

[1:55:57] confusion when you said, "Well, we've got a shared folder," which suggests

[1:56:00] that's on the SharePoint site. So, is that where the document resides on our

[1:56:06] SharePoint site? >> No. No. Um, you're right. There is some

[1:56:10] confusion. What I'm talking about is all of our other stuff. Like, for instance,

[1:56:14] your minutes, that's not property related. So we have a lot of documents

[1:56:19] that were was scanned into uh Docstar that didn't have to be uh a

[1:56:26] property related document. I think that's what I was trying to explain.

[1:56:29] Yep. So the end result if you get all these things exported regardless of

[1:56:33] whether it's property related or minutes or some other document permit manager is

[1:56:39] for all the properties that reside within the township and all the

[1:56:42] information my house you know house that type of deal

[1:56:47] » correct >> the industrial buildings

[1:56:49] » right >> and so when you get all these extracts

[1:56:52] you're going to go in and pull up file number one oh this is the XYZ property

[1:56:56] let me go into permit manager and I'm now going going to load whether that's a

[1:57:00] PDF or a word file or whatever I'm going to load that in the permit manager. So

[1:57:05] when I go in the permit manager and ask about XYZ address everything

[1:57:09] » is there. >> Correct. That's correct.

[1:57:11] » So the worst thing that happens is you export all this stuff out and it's going

[1:57:16] to take >> staff time to ultimately push it in

[1:57:20] which could take a couple of months to go through

[1:57:23] » it. It'll take years to get through all that. It's over 27,000 documents.

[1:57:29] » Yeah. >> Unless you want to come in part time

[1:57:32] » or if you allow us to >> hire figure out.

[1:57:39] » Um, all right. That answers my question. >> Yep.

[1:57:44] Um, okay.

[1:57:46] » Do you have any other questions? >> Any further discussion?

[1:57:50] » I don't have any. >> I'll call for the vote. All in favor of

[1:57:53] the motion signify by saying I. I [snorts]

[1:57:59] » Okay. Correspondence. Do you have any? >> Uh, no correspondence.

[1:58:04] » Is there any public comments at this time?

[1:58:08] » Somewhere.

[1:58:20] » Yeah, that was done. >> We talked about it and it was go

[1:58:25] We knew it was not going to be good. >> Yeah,

[1:58:29] » it was develop >> I I remember that that it was I'm sure

[1:58:35] it was the oaks down there. Um >> and I think the the mailboxes came into

[1:58:42] play on that. But uh >> I I guess we could always always you

[1:58:48] know decide that hey the uh the north side of the street road parking or west

[1:58:54] side or whatever we could do that but u again it comes back to enforcement.

[1:59:02] So uh I I got to ask chief what do you do when you have a fire truck going down

[1:59:07] through there and you got to get to the fire. You just take off mirrors.

[1:59:11] » Push. >> Push. Yeah. Okay.

[1:59:21] » Okay.

[1:59:32] » Any other comments? I'll move on. I'll make a motion that we

[1:59:36] bill pay all bills. >> Second.

[1:59:40] » All in favor? >> I. Supervisor speak

[1:59:47] I was remiss at last month's meeting to thank all the hard work staff does when

[1:59:52] it comes to zoning enforcement and things of that nature.

[1:59:58] So I appreciate what you do every every day.

[2:00:04] And then just a reminder that budget season's coming up budget meeting O S O

[2:00:09] S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S O S 20

[2:00:14] » Okay, uh Pendot just came out with recently

[2:00:18] with our new 12year plan. I went through everything in your county. I didn't see

[2:00:23] anything. I don't think I missed it. I'm saying about Route 83, whether that

[2:00:26] would be under the 12ear plan or not. But there are two things that will

[2:00:31] affect East Manchester Township. One is the Cadoras Farnest Road over

[2:00:37] Cadoras Creek and East Manchester and Helen Township. Uh consist of bridge

[2:00:42] improvement, replacement, rehabilitation or preservation on Kador's Furnish Road,

[2:00:49] excuse [clears throat] me. >> [cough]

[2:00:51] » The second one is uh resurfacing of North George Street. It will be from

[2:00:59] Woodland View Road in Manchester Township to Sunset Drive in East

[2:01:05] Manchester Township, which is right near McDonald's there.

[2:01:09] These are under their 12-year plan. Who knows? And secondly, I was reviewing

[2:01:16] the uh the minutes of the burrows and saw in Burough their July

[2:01:24] 14th meeting, they received their report from fire company. That's fire company.

[2:01:34] » So in that 102 plan, what about the bridge that's going in?

[2:01:40] Shouldn't that be on? Oh, I think that's already

[2:01:43] » already. >> Yeah. Yeah. These are the future

[2:01:45] projects. >> Okay.

[2:01:46] » Yeah. >> So, no exit 26.

[2:01:50] » Nope. And then, yeah, I didn't see any. I mean, the only thing they're talking

[2:01:53] about on Church Road is the right hand turn lane when you get up the

[2:01:59] South Pl. But the whole crux of the problem is

[2:02:03] they only have two lanes crossing over 83.

[2:02:07] So, it's not going to help much when you get up there and still have to sit on

[2:02:11] the bridge until you can get up to the light to turn right or left.

[2:02:19] » The only comment I have a question for Shane. Uh, you're going through a lot of

[2:02:23] CDL training right now. Driving nuts. >> Yeah, it is. They uh they passed their I

[2:02:33] guess training course if you want to call it that and now we're just waiting

[2:02:36] to hear from the instructor when they fit in. So

[2:02:38] » Okay. So we will have plow operators for winter.

[2:02:42] » I hope so. They still got to pass. So >> Shane, you want to put a plug in for

[2:02:46] Touch a Truck this weekend? >> Yeah.

[2:02:48] » Uh yeah, this weekend uh Touch Truck the Minon is at the middle school up here.

[2:02:55] Um it's for childhood cancer. Um it's five $5 I believe for a child. Yeah. And

[2:03:02] adults are free. Uh if you have children, bring them up. It's all kinds

[2:03:05] of equipment. Send the chief's going to be there. We're have to back the kids

[2:03:10] playing on and skip over and all kinds of things. There's all kinds of stuff

[2:03:13] there. So 2 to 6 this Saturday the 12th. >> And I see you're accumulating a lot of

[2:03:20] giveaways for the kiddies. >> I did this year. Yep. Thanks to our

[2:03:24] rangers for that. So yeah, we have kids hats and everything like that building.

[2:03:28] So y >> do you want to maybe mention something

[2:03:30] about the night work on Willow Springs? >> Uh starting this Sunday, Willow Springs

[2:03:39] will be getting paid from Board Road down Willow Springs.

[2:03:44] It's going to be night work from 6:00 p. p.m. to 6:00 a.m. The road will not be

[2:03:50] closed. it will still be flagged for allowing traffic through. Um, but we

[2:03:56] might want to real

[2:04:07] » I put it on the website >> a truck on the website.

[2:04:11] » I did not get that on the website. As soon as he was saying about it,

[2:04:16] » forgot about that. I don't know. I think we need to start tracking.

[2:04:20] » Wow. I think I think someone needs an assistant. How about that?

[2:04:25] » So, Shane, uh the detour. If you're coming if you're coming north on Science

[2:04:30] View and you turn at the new light, go back towards my house, Canal Road. Okay.

[2:04:36] You're coming up there and it says detour

[2:04:39] route. And then there's a sign up on Canal Road. No detour. But the detour

[2:04:44] route send people up that cross the bridge up through here.

[2:04:50] » The detour route we just showed. >> No.

[2:04:53] » Oh, >> Locust Point up there

[2:04:59] and it >> Yeah. So, you're saying it's sending

[2:05:04] them back like past Unifi and down across the bridge is what you're saying.

[2:05:09] » Yeah. that that is a detour route because there are businesses there. So

[2:05:14] that is where that detour they would loop the whole way around. I know it

[2:05:19] seems weird because you're like why are they sending traffic that way? The roads

[2:05:22] [clears throat] closed. >> They're sending them the whole way

[2:05:24] around to get them to that business. >> Okay.

[2:05:26] » So it has to be posted that way. Am I correct in saying that, Byron?

[2:05:30] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep.

[2:05:33] » Okay. That clears that up. >> Uh Andy, do we need executive? All

[2:05:38] right. I don't need it for anything else.

[2:05:40] » Okay. >> I will make a motion we adjourn the

[2:05:43] meeting. >> Second.

[2:05:45] » All in favor? >> I.

September 8, 2026 BOS Reg Meeting

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