[0:04] hang around the audience first. >> That's you.

[0:12] Okay. I thought it was like a public comment section. Sorry. There you go. If

[0:16] you want to take one of those and pass it down.

[0:28] » Yeah. So, good evening. Uh, good to see you all. Jason Hoskinson with PJ

[0:32] Consultants and I wanted to give you just a couple of project updates and

[0:37] then old building is the Kansas Water Office is making a call for grant

[0:42] projects for well more design or construction of what we've been

[0:48] designing on your sanitarian projects. So, grant applications are due. I want

[0:52] to kind of visit with the council, maybe get some direction from the council to

[0:56] help with with work with Adam and Ryan on what we want to apply for as far as a

[1:03] next phase of grant funding project. A quick update on the sewer side of

[1:10] things. U call we're currently working finishing up the design

[1:16] rehab work uh for about half of your sewer system. Uh

[1:22] rellining people, preparing problem areas and things of that nature. And

[1:27] then also designing a new lift station for the east lift station and some

[1:32] control modifications for the southwest lift station. So, that's what's included

[1:36] in that project. We are I'll say like 98% through all services. We're putting

[1:42] the finishing touches on the plans, uh going through some quality checks and

[1:46] stuff like that. And within the next couple of weeks, should be wrapped up

[1:50] and submitting those to KDH for approval to build the project, permission to

[1:55] build the project. So, it's it's essentially

[1:59] done by just a few dotting eyes and crossing tees.

[2:03] Our current cost estimate for the whole project, the construction phase of the

[2:08] whole project, lining, lift stations, everything is a little over three

[2:13] billion. It's kind of down there at the bottom. 3.275 billion for the entire

[2:17] project. Come back to that here in just a minute.

[2:24] Jump to the other side. Uh well actually before I could get off the san any

[2:28] questions on the sanitary process or design

[2:35] » at the end of it will we be able to get maps of where the san?

[2:40] » Yes. Yeah. We will have plans and everything for you that show where the

[2:45] existing sewers at and what improvements u are included. Yeah. It'll we'll give

[2:52] you some fullsize sets and a digital copy as well. Also, if you needed to

[2:56] hold up on a tablet or something, do that.

[3:01] Uh, I'm going to jump to the back page here. Uh, the other project that's kind

[3:05] of been ongoing for some period of time now is

[3:09] the water well project at First and Edwards. So, if you recall,

[3:16] the city's acquired the acquired the property for it and we've gone through

[3:21] the design for the wells in place and ready to go. Uh, it's been sent to KDH.

[3:27] We've applied for that this last year for the Kansas Water Office funding and

[3:31] it did not get funded. But right now, an opinion of cost to

[3:36] implement that the construction phase to put in a new well is $435,000

[3:42] there on that site and tie it into the system. So, those are kind of the two

[3:47] big utility side projects that we've been working with the city on.

[3:52] Now that brings me to okay now the next the last okay

[3:58] applications for grant funding are due at the end of this month and it's the

[4:02] same basically the same rules the same everything is what we're doing right now

[4:07] but the the design the sanitary goes through the Kansas water office 100%

[4:12] grant funding you can you can match and try to sweeten the pot if if there's

[4:16] local money available to to try to throw some brownie points towards the grant

[4:21] application. They don't really have a scoring table

[4:25] as to how that plays in, but it certainly does. If they're

[4:31] looking at two projects at once, both of them are the same cost. This community

[4:35] is going to pitch in 25%, this community is not, it might sway their decision to

[4:42] go that route. It may not. Uh they seem to want to spread the money around a

[4:47] little bit. But my question I guess for council would be and I've laid out a few

[4:51] options here. Uh how do we want to apply for a project or

[4:57] what size of project do you want to look at applying for? You can put in more

[5:01] than one application. They'll ask you to prioritize it like

[5:06] which ones are we could give you half million dollar which one we'd like to

[5:10] have it for. We could do uh option one. We could we could submit for the

[5:14] construction for the water well project. Option two, you could submit for your

[5:20] entire sanitary project, the 3 almost 3 million

[5:24] or you could do a portion thereof and they did provide an option three for

[5:28] just the lift station upgrades because I know east lift station's been giving you

[5:33] giving you some havoc here. >> Well, the minimum we need that. Yeah.

[5:37] Yeah. >> I would say

[5:39] » I will say in the last round I look back at the 2025 recipients that made a note

[5:44] to that down here. Most of them were between 350 and $350,000 million. Most

[5:51] of the grants that uh there were a few that were just a

[5:55] touch over 1 million. But if I look at that and try to project

[6:00] that out, say what's the chances of getting 3.3 million in this next round,

[6:04] it's probably slim to none.

[6:10] » Uh unless you wanted to match it with some local money and try to loan or KDH

[6:15] or something like that and do a bigger project.

[6:20] » Can I ask you probably not going to be a brief question, but okay. Most of us

[6:24] were not on council whenever the original water the well

[6:29] » was. Can you just kind of go through like the importance of a new well or

[6:34] like >> Sure. Sure.

[6:35] » kind of where we are with that. >> Yeah. Um so kind

[6:40] » of gauge what need is >> Yeah.

[6:42] » I'm going to tell you right now the lift stations are much higher priority than

[6:45] the well. Like we've got a water tower that works and we're hooked up to rural

[6:49] water if something really goes bad. >> Yeah. So

[6:52] » we just spent a lot of money pumping out a lift station that failed.

[6:56] » Yeah. >> And was running raw sewage out again. So

[7:00] » right, >> I'm 100% agree. It's probably the best,

[7:04] but I don't know about the well thing. >> Yeah, the wells kind of

[7:06] » a history of just a real quick high level wells. So

[7:11] there's been maybe you know maybe seven or eight

[7:15] different wells through the history uh in time and then when we were starting

[7:20] when we got involved um with the water well project maybe like seven eight 10

[7:25] years ago uh I think we were down to either two or three wells at that time

[7:30] were producing water. One was producing just a little bit and the other one the

[7:36] production was going down. had some cleaning

[7:42] testing. The steel casing is corroding so it's not getting as much water have

[7:47] problems and so I think you're down to one waterfall pump right now. Are you

[7:51] still at two? Okay, you're at two. Um, so you can produce water in town, but

[7:57] there was some concerns during high high usage summertime that it maybe couldn't

[8:02] keep up. At that time we did work with the city. You've got the ruled water

[8:06] connection as an interconnect as a backup. So when the wells went down, you

[8:11] could still you didn't have to bring in bottled water.

[8:14] » You've got that scenario. But in the process of that, the council, prior

[8:19] councils had also pursued acquiring uh some property for a new well because all

[8:25] the existing wells don't meet the current regulations for clearances or

[8:29] wells for say sanitary lines and things like that. So,

[8:34] fire councils have gone through and done some test drilling in some different

[8:37] locations, found a site at first in Edwards that can produce some water and

[8:42] um that

[8:47] » so it's ready to be built. It's just a matter of pulling the trigger and

[8:52] building it. So, >> is that does that price change if we

[8:56] don't need to buy like I've got a well pump,

[8:59] » right? We got a brand new well pump that came out of five. Okay.

[9:02] » 25 collapsed. >> Okay.

[9:04] » So, does that change the price on that 12 project?

[9:07] » Uh, it could. >> Is that just construction?

[9:11] » No, that that would that Well, that includes a new

[9:13] » Okay. Because I got up in all the piping still.

[9:16] » Okay. So, yeah, there could be some some reduction in cost there.

[9:21] A lot of that cost is getting a contractor

[9:27] else.

[9:32] couldn't tell you exactly how >> well here's a question I have is okay if

[9:38] we do apply for these grants and we get one

[9:42] » are we limited to that grant over a period of how many years before we can

[9:45] apply for another in the same >> I I don't know that there is any

[9:49] limitation um it's only been this is the fourth round

[9:56] third round fourth round of five that have been funded

[10:00] great homes that have been funded. So there's not really a good pattern or

[10:04] history to see like have people gotten it multiple times in a row.

[10:09] I would like to think if you've been funded for design which you have that

[10:13] would help like hey we've succeeded in the first grant now we're ready to build

[10:17] at least a portion of it. Hopefully that would play to your benefit. There's also

[10:22] no guarantee that this money is going to be the funding is going to be around

[10:25] after next year. I think this is the fourth round.

[10:29] There's five rounds that have been fun. >> This is from the state of Kansas.

[10:33] » From the state of Kansas. Yeah. Now, there's a good chance that

[10:38] Topeka could re-up it again next year, get some kind of bill, but until that

[10:44] happens, it's not really set in stone.

[10:52] So yeah, you could look at fun or could look at applying for I know your left

[10:56] station's been causing problems. You could look at applying for option three

[11:02] and maybe option one as well if you wanted to, but put the priority on

[11:05] option three if that's where the council wants to focus.

[11:10] » I agree with Katie. We got to do something on that.

[11:13] » Oh yeah, >> those stations are clean. I guess my

[11:18] question is like what is the temporary financing and then down at the bottom is

[11:22] like assuming a loan is that >> okay

[11:25] » is that like where we need to increase like our water rates that much?

[11:29] » No. Okay. Yeah, I didn't I didn't explain this. Uh so temporary financing

[11:33] and I've got that as a question mark. So the water office loan or the water

[11:37] office grant is uh it's every three months, right? That they're reimbursing

[11:41] you. >> Yes. So the city would pay upfront and

[11:45] then after three months of payments you can request reimbursement.

[11:49] Um so if you do a lift station project however you're going to have to pay

[11:57] potentially almost the entire $750,000 out of the bank city's bank account uh

[12:03] before you can get reimbursed by the the Kansas Water Office with grant dollars.

[12:10] So, it can all happen in the same year, but it's kind of a cash flow thing. Is

[12:13] there enough cash in the city's bank to float $750,000 for payments? If not, we

[12:18] may >> No. Might want to look at some temporary

[12:21] financing just to help cover that because you get a contractor in here,

[12:25] they do a bunch of work and you don't pay their bill

[12:29] head out. So, and not finish the project. So, that's what the temporary

[12:33] financing comment would be for. And we can factor that in. It's not a long

[12:37] period of time, but it's There's some cost to that. It's 10,000

[12:42] bucks to deal with a a temporary note to float the project.

[12:49] The item down at the bottom that I say about local matching money. That's if

[12:54] you wanted to, let's say you wanted to apply for the $3.3 million project and

[12:58] ask for half of it in grant and then we're going to cover the other half in

[13:02] loan. Well, if you if you wanted to get a loan for $1.5 million or whatever,

[13:09] well, $1 million is what I show as a scenario here, that's what you would

[13:14] need to raise your utility rates by each month to cover the prepaid.

[13:21] » I'm sorry to laugh, but we are water billing our citizens out of town

[13:25] already. >> Like, that's not happening.

[13:29] » 0%. Yeah, >> like I like like you showing us that

[13:34] information though because that like >> makes it make sense for me I guess.

[13:37] » But at least we did that 1% sales tax so that should help cover some gaps

[13:43] » and it's just there for information. >> Although I appreciate that. I was like

[13:47] looking at this and my head is already pounding and now I'm looking at this

[13:51] going >> we already have people complaining. Our

[13:54] water bill is insanely high.

[13:59] that minimum hookup over $100 a month. >> Holy moly. And that doesn't even include

[14:06] trash. People complain in a their water bill goes 90 something dollars. They

[14:10] That is a That's a trash. >> That's a deal.

[14:14] » I mean, like, would your recommendation be like, "Do we our our option three

[14:19] would be our number one?" >> From what I'm hearing and what I know

[14:22] with the problems, yeah, I would say your option three would be your highest

[14:26] with the water side of things. You have backup. You have wells that are burning

[14:29] a sink. >> Maybe some concerns in the summer months

[14:33] if one of the wells goes down for a while, but you have you have some

[14:37] storage some fluctuation. The lift station goes out. You're pumping. You

[14:42] know that. >> We know that. You know that. But we know

[14:44] that. >> Yeah. And I don't even know that we

[14:51] » So, so when you start looking at ownership and maintenance costs, I think

[14:56] » I definitely Yes. >> Where you need toize.

[15:00] » Do you need a recommendation tonight for that?

[15:03] » Um I don't know, Adam, if you're looking for specific action or if it's just kind

[15:09] of council direction, like a consensus like, yeah, option three is what we go

[15:13] for. >> Uh just sort of consensus. Even if it's

[15:17] not reached, I I can always email you back and say this is what the council

[15:21] decided. The loan deadline is three weeks or the application.

[15:26] » The application's Yeah, the application's online. Uh it's due in

[15:30] three weeks. There's nothing that needs to be signed by the mayor or anything.

[15:35] Somebody at the city online application. That's what we've done in the past and

[15:39] that'll help provide some verbiage about >> Well, if we look at if you look at that

[15:44] $750,000 charge and let's say we go ahead and we

[15:49] actually do go in and want to do a grant look at the grant for that and there's a

[15:54] USDA RD

[15:58] development >> 40 years. Okay. At four four and a

[16:01] quarter we're talking costing us about $20,000 a year.

[16:08] So if we got it, we went in to go ahead and do it and we

[16:12] get the grant. And even if we get a grant from 3 375,000 with that,

[16:18] you know, half of it, then we're automatically going to be in a better

[16:22] spot than we're at right now. We'd love to get to $750,000 grant. We know that

[16:28] the likelihood of that's going to be >> I think you asked for the 750 and that's

[16:33] right in the sweet spot of what's been funded in the past,

[16:36] » right? But I'm just saying I'm throwing out the you know I'm being the devil's

[16:39] advocate here for a minute. >> Okay.

[16:41] » But is there is there a scenario that they would only do that

[16:44] » or do they just kind of approve it or not?

[16:46] » They probably let you know before they do that because they're not going to

[16:49] want to announce and then I know KO has done that where

[16:54] they ask for a million bucks or city asked for a million bucks and they're

[16:58] like hey we can only get you 600 on this project. Would you still be willing to

[17:02] take that in advance? So I would think we probably communications

[17:07] say we're only going to fund half of it. >> I mean, you know, it's a 40-year loan,

[17:13] granted, but if you get it, you know, we get a

[17:18] partial on it. >> Yeah,

[17:21] » it's better than what we got. >> I mean, I personally, we could kick the

[17:26] past councils in the rear end because of that, not them not putting that $23,000

[17:31] there. That would have been 6 over $600,000 if we could had didn't happen.

[17:35] But, you know, that's water on the bridge. But we got to find a way to fund

[17:40] it. And if even if we don't get the grant, we can I mean, I would say we go

[17:44] ahead and apply for that grant. Now, >> I'm not saying not apply for it. Like,

[17:47] yes, absolutely. >> But even if we don't get that grant, you

[17:51] know, then we can I mean, we've got an option here, you know. Yeah. It's 40

[17:57] years. That's a long time, but

[18:01] » that's only but that's only one part of it,

[18:03] » right? The whole thing with the 40 years is

[18:06] » that then you're taking out another loan to fix it because in 40 years this is

[18:09] going to need to be redone again. >> Well, on the last I get that like

[18:19] » I'm just going to shut my mouth right now because every comment that's going

[18:22] to come out after this is not appropriate and I'm going to blame it on

[18:25] sleep deprivation and a massive headache.

[18:28] » Well, I mean, one way or the other, we've got to get that lucation fixed.

[18:34] We don't have any options. So >> I think we're all aren't we all in

[18:36] agreement that that's our number one priority?

[18:38] » Number one, we apply for the grants. If we don't get the grant, then we look at

[18:42] the other option. >> Yeah.

[18:45] » Yeah.

[18:51] » You're right. That's three4s of our budget in one

[18:55] year.

[18:58] » No way you can do that. What are the thoughts of a second on

[19:03] option one?

[19:09] » I mean like the money. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just really interested in option

[19:15] three. >> Like if we get So I guess these are

[19:20] separate grants. Is that right? The water well is a separate grant than the

[19:25] sanitary system. >> It's all the same grant funding. same

[19:30] program, but they would be separate applications, the the three options

[19:34] here. But really, it'd be you could apply for sewer

[19:39] and or water. You would just need to tell them what

[19:44] your priority is because if they're looking at it and say, "Well,

[19:50] » I guess that like apply for both of them." And if they're like, "We can only

[19:53] give you money for one of them." Clearly, we all know what that one needs

[19:57] to be. Yeah. >> Yeah. Number

[20:00] one option or the number one priority is option three.

[20:05] » Second priority is option one.

[20:15] » I think it's silly to do option two to apply for.

[20:20] » Yeah. Right now we can't we got to get we got to get option three fixed.

[20:24] » Yeah. >> I mean it would be amazing.

[20:28] Not many grants received over like a few that have been a million or a little

[20:33] over. >> Well, and then okay, is the 750,000

[20:36] included in that 300 3.275 million? >> Yes. Yeah. So,

[20:40] » that knocks that down. >> If you do option three, the next sewer

[20:45] project you would be looking at would be maybe two and a half million or

[20:49] something like that.

[20:56] But at this time, option three is going to take care of your biggest problems

[20:58] opportunity. >> Is that what you're kind of thinking

[21:00] too? Is >> are we aligned to the

[21:04] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[21:07] » I'm good with it. >> I'm good.

[21:13] » That's all I really need unless there's any other questions. Like I said, we're

[21:17] within a week or so of wrapping up the design on the sanitary side that's KDH

[21:22] for permits. Um I'll work with that some information out in the grant

[21:29] application. Number three is option three is the

[21:32] priority. Option one with the water well project

[21:35] as a back. >> Yep.

[21:38] » The only other thing I'd say end of September applications last year it was

[21:43] like February before we found out the grants were funded. So there's going to

[21:48] be a period of time just gonna radio silence for us to say

[21:53] » if we have to start the project before they say it's approved. We can't

[21:58] do that, can we? >> Well, you

[22:01] probably not. It gets they say in the application anything is done ahead of

[22:07] announcement the grant or the agreement is in ineligible.

[22:11] » So it kind of gets into how how do we split by her part? What has been done?

[22:16] What hasn't? >> Yeah.

[22:17] I would recommend if you can as much as you can

[22:25] » and as part of that planning that the moving the list station too and how that

[22:30] is engineered when we have to move that that part of his plans.

[22:34] » Yes. >> Okay.

[22:35] » Yeah. >> Yeah. We've got it all taken care of.

[22:38] » Yeah. Already done. This finance deal. >> Yeah. I just wanted to make sure that

[22:49] » you think of anything. >> Yes. Thank you.

[22:53] » Thank you.

[23:11] » Hey

[23:17] We will now begin the hearing to exceed the revenue neutral rate.

[23:22] In your packet, you will find the notice of the proposed property tax increase

[23:30] for the different uh areas around the USB 377, Bitten

[23:37] Township, uh Aerson County, and Epicam provided that so you can kind of see

[23:44] where we're at with them. Um and then resolution 202504

[23:52] goes through just uh going to exceed the revenue neutral rate of 649.

[24:06] [Music]

[24:14] So basically from 2024 to 2025 it went up 3,000

[24:19] gives me 3,783,000

[24:24] right I looking at that right

[24:28] the amount of revenue from property

[24:38] 24 to 25 proposed 25 total proposed 3.783

[24:46] million

[24:50] » doesn't

[24:54] count. >> Yeah, that's the whole county. That's

[24:56] the total. >> Okay.

[25:09] That's 24 24.7%. Yeah,

[25:20] some chair's going down.

[25:43] for that sheet is the resolution.

[25:52] We just need to sign and show it. I I'll bring the other

[26:20] » and that's what they're saying to >> Oh, It went up a lot

[26:26] » for a vacant lot. >> Mhm.

[26:34] » What is it? >> Huh?

[26:36] » What is the lot?

[26:41] » It says vacant lot. It says >> that's got to be the website where we

[26:47] haven't built the

[26:58] Where do you see it? Right here. >> On the top.

[27:26] Oh, I know. Yeah.

[27:31] » So, what do you need? We need you guys. We need to make function.

[27:39] » I I don't know if we recite it on the record. There is nobody here at the

[27:42] public to make public comments. So there is a public but it's a required part of

[27:46] the act. So >> okay

[27:48] » that's what I was asking you I have to say this because there's nobody here to

[27:51] comment. >> You do

[27:55] » it's okay >> or at least note that

[27:58] » note that there's nobody in the public here to speak. Okay. Well nobody here

[28:03] nobody from the public is here to voice their opinion. So

[28:07] » we need to make the council vote >> I'll vote on exceed the rule right.

[28:14] resolution. >> Okay.

[28:17] » Okay. >> I thought we had already done that.

[28:20] » That's a roll call. >> But this is like we

[28:22] » you adopt this to give notice that

[28:32] council member has to make a motion to adopt the resolution.

[28:36] Oh, I make a motion to adopt the resolution 2025-04

[28:41] for the city of Effingham that shall levy a property tax rate exceeding the

[28:47] revenue neutral rate of 64.239 mills.

[28:52] » Hold on. >> Okay. We have to do a roll call.

[28:57] » Yes.

[29:02] » Yes. Cheryl is Jenna. >> Yes.

[29:06] » Andrew. >> Yep.

[29:07] » Jesse. >> Yes.

[30:04] Okay, we will now adjourn the hearing for exceeding the revenue neutral rate.

[30:12] And we will now open the budget hearing.

[30:17] The last piece of paper um

[30:23] is or the yes is the certificate. This is the budget exceeding the revenue

[30:30] rates. Um, this shows you where all of the

[30:35] different funds, what's going into the different funds.

[30:40] So, the general fund will have the 424,000.

[30:46] Um, when he was doing the budget, he took a little bit out of everything and

[30:52] put it into the general because we can transfer from the general to the other

[30:56] things. I told them that we would probably be

[31:01] doing uh some street projects as well as maybe some sewer projects. So those are

[31:07] a little bit higher this budget than last budget. And so that

[31:13] and you can see the total is 932,87.

[31:18] My question we have a copy of last year's budget. I

[31:23] can try to find Yeah, we I would like to have one.

[31:34] I if I recall correctly, last year's budget was like 1.2 million.

[31:40] If I'm thinking correctly, we're going down $300,000

[31:47] for this year.

[31:56] Yeah,

[32:04] » I looked for a copy and I started

[32:12] » and I mean we don't really know what is left in the budget for each of the

[32:17] different funds either.

[32:22] So, >> I mean,

[32:35] » I mean, I know this is going to be our budget, but I'm just bringing up the

[32:38] fact that huge cut. $300,000. It's a huge cut.

[32:46] And granted that maybe they overbudgeted it, but I guess my question is is

[32:53] this is something I guess we should have talked about earlier was from what I

[32:57] understood on budgeting is is that if you don't spend it, which I know this

[33:02] from being in the corporate world, you don't spend it, they're not going to

[33:05] give it to you again. So I don't know that had an impact on

[33:10] this. I don't know what portion. I mean, why would it get cut $300,000?

[33:18] That's what I'm That's the question I'm asking. Is that if 1.2 million is

[33:22] correct? I don't know. I just thought it was

[33:28] I may be off on that. It may have been one million,

[33:31] but that's one million here. Okay. But

[33:48] Last year in the streets it was 10 he had budgeted $10,000 for this year

[33:55] » 10 because last a year prior to that it was

[33:58] 110,000. >> Gotcha. And then it got budgeted for

[34:01] 10,000 because he said he put it back in general fund which I get that because

[34:04] you can transfer out the general fund and put it back into the street fund. I

[34:08] get that part but

[34:13] the general funds a lot less this year.

[34:23] » Pardon me.

[34:27] » Yeah. But what I'm saying is is if you And then I mean I don't know if the

[34:31] public is the same thing as corporate but in corporate if you don't spend it

[34:34] you don't get it next year. >> So if we didn't spend as much as

[34:41] we should have for the county you know to look at or whatever then that's

[34:45] probably why we didn't get as much this year.

[34:49] So I don't know. We also haven't spent any money on our streets yet, right?

[34:58] » Do you think that affects it since it hasn't been that kind of stuff?

[35:08] » December. >> It's January. Yeah,

[35:11] » it was 1.1. I direct 1.1. >> See, like the general fund last year was

[35:17] 605,000. This year it's 424,000.

[35:21] » There's your There's your decrease right there.

[35:23] » Well, he said he added more to that and it's less.

[35:28] » So, I can't remember how. And no debt service, but I don't know if that

[35:32] » debt service we don't need to worry about because that was that was

[35:35] something that's been in there forever and ever and ever and it was really

[35:37] never ever should have been in there. >> Okay. So, that's

[35:40] » we took that out and that got added back into should have been back added back

[35:44] into general. Our employee benefits have gone down and we have more employees,

[35:52] right? We have another full-time employee

[35:55] max. >> Yeah, it went down. We were looking

[35:58] $13,000 there.

[36:05] » The water utility or the water in the sewer stayed about the same.

[36:10] » Pool went up. Pool went down a lot. The pool went down by almost half.

[36:17] Why would employee benefits went down 13,000? Doesn't make any sense.

[36:24] » Insurance

[36:27] I mean that would be something too because I didn't take insurance.

[36:32] » So that could be >> that could be a portion.

[36:35] » That could be part of it. Yeah. >> You also that's also part of benefits is

[36:40] capers and >> stuff like that too.

[36:42] » You have to do that. I have to do. We have

[36:45] » Yeah, that's requirement. >> Yeah.

[36:47] » Yeah. >> Which is

[36:49] » But I I mean, and I probably It's probably too late to do anything about

[36:53] it right now, but I I'm just raising some concerns on that, but I should have

[36:58] raised them all. I can't remember what Roger said about

[37:04] um why it like 1.1 from last year to 9.3 or 9 130,000 the upcoming year. But he

[37:15] had a reason why. I think it was based on

[37:21] the amount we're using this year. So we're not close to that 1.1.

[37:26] » You're right. >> Yeah. If you don't spend it, you don't

[37:28] get it. That's that's just the way budgets are.

[37:32] Yeah. So I think that's the reason why you think you can't make that judgment.

[37:38] » But you if you're not operating on an FY that ends in October, how can you judge

[37:42] budget? >> Agreed.

[37:43] » September. >> Agreed. But what you want to do is

[37:48] » spent >> this is something that we need to figure

[37:50] out for next year because next year we need to do. You need to figure out the

[37:54] spin down. They call it a spin down. >> Yeah. That would be like we'd have to

[37:57] spend you'd have to operate like you're operating that flight that if October

[38:02] like the army, right? >> You spend everything that you got in

[38:07] July and August so that when this comes down

[38:10] » if you especially like right now if you want to be up for 1.1 again,

[38:14] » we'd have to overspend like a joke in August and in August.

[38:19] » Well, we're trying hard. >> I mean I mean that's just

[38:24] » right. You're right. You're right. That's how it works. It doesn't make

[38:27] sense, but that's how it works >> to get the money we need to survive next

[38:30] year, >> right? But our XY doesn't end until

[38:33] December. >> No. No. And I get that. But if the

[38:36] budgets if the budget's happening now, we have to And I mean, maybe maybe it's

[38:41] based off pattern of spending, too. Throughout the first eight months of the

[38:46] year, your pattern of spending has been X, Y, and Z. So this is what we're

[38:50] budgeting you for because this is what we foresee you spending next year

[38:54] » for the 12 months that I mean

[39:00] » well and you know I mean like I thought you know I thought maybe we would have

[39:03] those streets I mean that's no you know I know proof paving is busy and stuff I

[39:06] think that would maybe helped us a little bit because that was $100,000

[39:10] right there. >> No.

[39:11] » So that would have suck that would have sucked that down pretty good. And so

[39:15] then we may have and you know if that had happened we may have been back up to

[39:18] the 1.1. Who knows? We don't we don't know that. But that's what it's all

[39:24] about is is that you know and I know we want to save our money and I agree I

[39:28] agree with you wholeheartedly. I'm big on you know that part of it. But you

[39:31] also get to a point where you're shoot yourself in the foot for the next year.

[39:35] But how are you bending your budget too? Like how how's the budget fit before

[39:41] whoever does this piece of paper? Like I know I had to annually fit my

[39:47] budget for the month for a month basis, right? I say I'm going to spend I'd

[39:54] always over I'm going to spend $260,000 a month. That's what I'm spending parts

[40:00] everything. They project that out over the course of a year and I get close to

[40:05] that amount. If I don't have if I'm not close to spending that amount in July,

[40:09] they say you need to spend $90,000 today so that you're making

[40:15] » like if we're not if you're not making a bid on, hey, this is what we think we're

[40:20] going to be spending this year. Like how do they know how to judge those numbers,

[40:24] too? >> So,

[40:27] » yeah, that's a big part of it. Well, we definitely know we're going to need like

[40:32] as part of the budget the equipment, >> right? Like and that's what I was saying

[40:36] like how how are we coming up with these numbers if we're not saying I know I've

[40:40] got to spend this much this year. >> We need to project

[40:44] » on on on the equipment or the least. I know this is what we're spending. So

[40:48] that needs to be put in the budget. We want to do things to the blue building

[40:52] and do a city shop. We need to project that money into the budget. But that's

[40:56] not here. >> Okay. Okay. So, how do you

[41:00] » Yeah, that's something I mean we need to we need to work out some type of

[41:03] projection schedule like what you're saying in the fact that

[41:07] we're saying okay we got this project this project equipment we got this and

[41:11] this and this work out a projection schedule for by month I mean you're

[41:17] talking monthly and for the next year for next budget I mean it's too late

[41:21] this year but we can get into it for the 2027 budget and have that done by

[41:27] October or actually before then have it done by August.

[41:30] » Okay. >> And then submit that and saying here's

[41:33] what our projections are because I don't think this I don't think we've ever done

[41:37] anything like that here. >> Theoretically after your first after

[41:41] first quarter you should have a good pattern of spending project out the

[41:46] following three quarters >> and you include in that like a project

[41:50] like the sewer you know you include emergencies in there. How you come up

[41:54] with that number, I'm not sure, but we'd have to come go back and look.

[41:59] » Well, and we'd have a that's a good but that's a good basis for us to base it

[42:02] on. >> So, average.

[42:04] » Yeah. And so then next year when we go, we need to come up with some kind of a I

[42:09] know there's some kind of spreadsheet out there that you can do it on,

[42:13] » but come up with some kind of projected expenditure spreadsheet and say, "Here's

[42:17] what we're looking at. Here's for streets. Here's for sewer. Here's for

[42:20] water. Here's for the blue building. Here's for the pool. you know, cover

[42:24] everything that we can and get that so that we don't get shorted on our budget.

[42:31] So, >> obviously not this year problem, but

[42:35] something that >> yeah, next year

[42:37] » when we're talking about big projects that we do challenge, there's only one.

[42:47] » I mean, that's something that we'll have to do. I mean

[42:51] » I apologize. >> Why are you apologizing?

[42:54] » It's not my desk. He needs to clear >> but

[42:59] » well and part of it I mean part of it >> could work together. I mean

[43:02] » part of it is too we have to know monthly what our budget amount we have

[43:06] to know monthly what our budget amount was and then how much we spent out of

[43:10] that fund because without that information we're shooting in the dark,

[43:14] » right? But trying to do that off the last year of commerce is already going

[43:17] to be a problem because the system change that you guys went through.

[43:21] » So solidifying whatever system they're using finance right now that already

[43:26] breaks it down by fund. You have to start you can't do it off last year. You

[43:30] have to do it off of what you're doing now for the next six months. Right.

[43:35] » You got there's general ledger accounts and you can pull in general ledger

[43:38] accounts and they will tell you what you spent your money for.

[43:41] » Absolutely. And so then you could get a good estimate off of those general

[43:44] ledger accounts. >> Y

[43:46] » and you could know by fund what you're spending.

[43:49] » Yeah. >> If it's just applied. I mean, it's going

[43:52] to have to be some work done on it. And that's what's going to have to happen to

[43:55] say, hey, pull out and see how much did we spend on streets because we have

[43:59] that, you know, see how much we spent with approved paving, see how much we

[44:02] spent on coal patch, see how much we spent on this and this. Add those up. I

[44:06] mean, it's not hard. >> So, put it all together. So,

[44:11] I'm not I'm just

[44:16] So, but that Yeah, it's too late to do it this year, but next year we

[44:20] definitely need to do that. >> So, like this is this we can't

[44:25] » Yeah, it's that we have to have our budget in.

[44:29] » When do we have to have the budget? >> I have to have this budget in by October

[44:34] 1st. >> Yes.

[44:39] We'll just have to learn to go $200,000 less

[44:44] doing Scott.

[44:52] » We spend that much in repairs on the old. We can spend that much repairs on

[44:55] the old stuff. >> I already got stickers. They said you

[45:00] have something back.

[45:07] » But no, I mean I think that's part of, you know, I mean, let's face it, the

[45:11] city's a business and you got to run it like a business. And for us to be able

[45:16] to run it like a business, we have to know what we have in every fund. We have

[45:19] to know what's been spent out of every fund. We have to know, I mean,

[45:22] everything. Because if you don't, your budget's worthless. I'm sorry. You just

[45:27] are shooting blanks into the wind because it ain't nothing's gonna come

[45:31] out right.

[45:46] » I'm just glad we got a copy of last year's because I didn't have a copy of

[45:49] it. You never get a copy, did you?

[45:54] » I don't remember.

[45:58] Let's just say that copy is not easy without copy.

[46:02] » Okay, that probably sounds our sends our answer.

[46:06] » So,

[46:17] Okay. >> Well, so I mean I'm feeling so we can

[46:20] make a motion, but I feel like we're not going to adopt it. Like

[46:25] I think we have no choice. But >> we don't have no choice. We don't have a

[46:28] choice. You're going to have to

[46:32] because we can't, you know, like everybody's saying we don't know what we

[46:35] spent for us to pull all that information together. It's going to be

[46:39] taking longer than a month. So

[46:44] the 932 878 puts us at the 80.339 ms. If we want more money in here, we're

[46:54] going to have to go up to like the 90 mills,

[46:57] something above that. So if you look on that first page, I have this total at

[47:04] 80.138 under 2025 at 13615.

[47:11] We're going to have to increase that number to 80.138.

[47:22] » Does that make sense? >> So then you're saying if we wanted to

[47:26] increase it'd be closer to 90. >> Yeah.

[47:30] » Is it How much is it per every meal? How much dollars is for every meal?

[47:34] » I think it's $136.15.

[47:38] » Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Look at me at home.

[47:51] » I don't know. I mean, I >> What happens if we go over budget?

[47:58] » We're broke.

[48:04] If we spend more than 932 93

[48:10] » 932,00

[48:14] » I mean federal government just keeps printing. So

[48:18] » what >> we do that like hey we need some more

[48:23] money extra stacks of hundreds for us.

[48:27] » Here's another question. This does not include our money markets, right?

[48:32] » I don't believe it does. >> And those are for emergencies.

[48:38] » Yes. But if we exceed the budget, then that

[48:42] would probably be an emergency situation. So,

[48:46] » but here's the other I'm going to play double advocate. They're water and

[48:50] sewer. They've been designated as water and sewer. So, are they eligible to be

[48:54] spent on anything other than water and sewer? We we emergencies have been

[48:58] water. We're spending lots of money on water.

[49:01] » Well, I know. I mean, I know the emergency.

[49:05] » Yeah. >> Think with the new equipment because

[49:07] that'd be the only extra large expense, right? With the new equipment,

[49:12] » it should be it should be okay.

[49:18] I I'll make the motion pass it. I make the motion that I make the motion to

[49:23] adopt 20 2026 budget for the city of Effinghams as presented.

[49:30] » Second

[49:40] roll.

[49:45] » Yes. >> Yes. Andrew.

[49:49] » Yes. >> Jesse.

[49:57] We also have to say there was nobody here for this hearing too.

[50:15] Yeah, it's okay. >> Who knows? They may not approve the

[50:18] $932,000 at

[50:22] county right there going.

[50:28] » I hope they didn't. >> Probably they get off the shop and give

[50:33] it to us. >> Oh, no. I found out today that the shop

[50:37] loan is not coming for taxes. It's coming from the cell about senior

[50:40] citizen should sign

[50:59] the package. >> H

[51:00] » I got another packet for her.

[51:07] » I don't want the Okay.

[51:20] Everyone makes a

[51:25] See, it doesn't seem

[51:39] All right. Well, now you're the budget hearing.

[51:45] I will call the order to regular meeting.

[52:04] Thank you guys very much. >> Thank you.

[52:09] » I appreciate the detailed workflow.

[52:15] I'm just read

[52:26] provided all that. Here are the bills.

[52:38] A lot of the bills are Ryan. We didn't pay the first

[52:45] » Ryan just I didn't write everything down on there.

[52:52] » Text me calls. I'm like more money. >> I can't just

[53:01] » wait a second. Wait a second. You better 1.1 million.

[53:06] So, >> well, I feel like the majority of the

[53:09] spending's been done in the last, you know, five months or so.

[53:17] » I was trying to go back in time. >> Yeah.

[53:21] » You just say, you know, I'm working if I'm spending money.

[53:24] » That's right. When I stop spending money, you guys got a real problem.

[53:30] » I did make notes on the bills for what we have to spend the money on. So you

[53:35] guys know >> an alignment.

[53:37] » Yeah. >> Well, that

[53:39] » Yeah. And they tell me I need new tires, but because we don't go out of town

[53:44] often, I'm not too concerned.

[53:49] budget for next year. budget next year.

[53:54] » Next

[53:58] thing that battery was a trailer battery.

[54:24] a grease gun. >> What about $500?

[54:27] » That's a battery operated grease.

[54:34] » I have no idea what it is. So, I'm like literally just like pushing your buttons

[54:39] right now. >> It should come with one of those.

[54:42] » No, but we do get money for grease. So, when I said, "Hey, all we're responsible

[54:47] for is greasing the equipment." We're responsible to grease equipment, but

[54:51] they're going to start sending us money to pay for grease.

[54:57] » They won't send the grease. That's interesting.

[55:00] » It's easier for them to spend money than ship.

[55:04] » Well, they're here every week. >> They were at Austin,

[55:08] right?

[55:18] Yeah. >> Jesus for the pumpkin.

[55:21] » Oh my god. >> The pumpkin.

[55:24] » I love you detail. I like >> the pumpkin in the office.

[55:31] And then

[55:37] » it like why why do we use

[55:42] » Is this a is this a code word or something?

[55:51] » Well, she's while you guys looking over bills, I'm going to go print off the

[55:54] minutes from the previous meeting. Sorry guys, I was like super

[56:09] » Yeah, Ryan. >> Yep. What's up?

[56:14] » Here's a battery up on gun. >> That's awesome.

[56:19] » What size batteries does it >> the same ones we got? The Milwaukee

[56:23] batteries with >> big batteries. The return on $32

[56:30] » fuses for the pumpkin $10.95.

[56:35] » I don't really want to do this recording.

[56:42] Call it frivolous spending. >> Frivolous.

[56:47] » There's no frivolous spending. >> I promise you I don't spend money in

[56:52] something. >> I do appreciate the detail of it.

[56:57] I'm not out there. >> No, I do. I What is this?

[57:00] » So, that was when >> Oh, jet. Okay.

[57:03] » Because we had that one collection wasn't running any solids. So, we had to

[57:09] have the line in camera >> to make sure that there wasn't a

[57:15] I mean, our biggest concern was we had protrusion on it.

[57:21] B&G is also operating under the assumption that those lines are PVC and

[57:25] they're not >> had to break that news to say because

[57:29] apparently they redid those some years ago. Those two collection

[57:35] points and when we came they've been lined.

[57:40] Somebody came through and lined them but they are all still clay pipe. Um I don't

[57:44] know what that's going to do. Change it. I'll let Sam know.

[57:50] I don't know what that does to change anything for him, but

[58:39] biggest thing when you look at that people inv

[58:43] time out that's how much that costs I do not know what it's going to cost

[58:50] » that's what I say >> don't look like

[58:53] » well we had no other option >> we just at the time the only thing I

[58:56] knew was I know Austin can't pump it but he's a

[59:01] little bit closer Okay.

[59:05] » $264.

[59:10] » Yeah.

[59:19] » Yeah. do sunset1 every time I do a like we had to do dig

[59:25] safe for the sign every time I do one not much just enough to keep the website

[59:32] load I guess >> dig safe

[59:38] but if somebody else calls it they have to pay it

[59:40] » yeah we only pay for what we call and I've only called it twice

[59:49] weekend. >> That one is the officing

[1:00:12] the construction of the subdivision. >> Pretty much.

[1:00:17] » Was that too? student.

[1:00:21] » Oh, they're the same one. >> No, I have the 13th and the 28th.

[1:00:25] » Oh, okay. >> That one.

[1:00:32] » No, you were. You know, you were right. >> We should be a buffalo owners.

[1:00:41] » I don't know. >> Invoice for consulting services.

[1:00:47] I feel butter.

[1:00:50] » What do you think? >> Couldn't hear the whole discussion.

[1:00:56] » It's an invoice for

[1:01:02] certified construction observer for the Boff subdivision

[1:01:08] that came to from B&G consultants came to the city.

[1:01:14] We had discussion about this and you might call we had a bit of an argument

[1:01:19] with PG consultants about it. >> Okay.

[1:01:22] » But it was approved by by the commission because my part of the council my my

[1:01:27] concern was I didn't really think they were sticking

[1:01:31] with that. >> But I don't understand why the city's

[1:01:34] got to pay somebody to observe the construction.

[1:01:38] Like that seems frivolous.

[1:01:44] Then construction has to do with infrastructure.

[1:01:49] » That's what I can say. >> They're making sure that everything

[1:01:54] they're actually building >> and if something goes on look at he let

[1:02:00] us make sense otherwise me or Max have to sit down.

[1:02:07] You don't cost. >> I do not.

[1:02:13] » That makes sense. That makes sense.

[1:02:18] » Yeah. But I also feel like there's a plan and there's designs and there's

[1:02:24] » you need to make sure that they're following plans

[1:02:28] » because otherwise they >> because I know for when they when they

[1:02:31] tied into a sewer line I had to be there because it's tying in or city line.

[1:02:38] » I shouldn't have said it that way. It's not that they won't.

[1:02:41] » Right. No, no. There's nothing guaranteeing

[1:02:43] » if they don't the expense to the city to fix it is likely many times

[1:02:50] » that makes sense.

[1:03:14] I did notice on the August 28th meeting minutes I spelled the letter wrong and

[1:03:20] used an A instead of it. So it's a latter. Yeah.

[1:03:34] think I'm just

[1:03:44] » Oh, I think turn up the turn up the >> It's was set to 72. Thank goodness

[1:03:58] you guys.

[1:04:05] Sorry I didn't have these printed. I'm not on my game list.

[1:04:11] We will care. We all make mistakes.

[1:04:37] all the time. I know.

[1:04:56] I'm at the city.

[1:04:59] It's going to be

[1:05:08] » a question.

[1:05:14] That's

[1:05:17] » no because

[1:05:29] » building the library.

[1:05:36] » City library. Okay. $433.

[1:05:42] Feel

[1:05:50] like something is very not right here. >> What is it? The water the water.

[1:05:57] » So this says 420 mains daycare.

[1:06:02] » That doesn't make sense. >> Oh, we don't need to pay for that.

[1:06:06] » We don't. That's not all. >> Shouldn't our That's in our building.

[1:06:12] Do we buy it and we just don't know it? >> No, I don't know.

[1:06:18] I think it's useful. >> Yeah.

[1:06:31] » Well, has it been paid?

[1:06:40] Yeah, >> I want you guys to I don't really

[1:06:48] you don't have the bills from last time which doesn't

[1:06:55] help just the energy

[1:06:59] keep sending back they are

[1:07:16] I get a second on this one. How does the lift station use

[1:07:22] as much energy as this ability?

[1:07:30] » Well, it's constant.

[1:07:35] So you think

[1:07:40] » that'd be Edwards. That's a suburb station.

[1:07:43] » 308 First Street lift station. That's one.

[1:07:48] » No, the only one we first street is the corners.

[1:07:53] » Oh, >> that one runs all the time though,

[1:07:57] doesn't it? >> Yeah. I

[1:08:00] » that doesn't run all the time. But I'm wondering if that is the if if by

[1:08:05] station maybe if it's the pump house because the pump house is an AC unit in

[1:08:10] it that runs all the time. It's got pumps in it. It's got five breaker

[1:08:18] always run by. It's going to use some energy in there. And the generator kicks

[1:08:23] on. >> And the generator kicks on once a week.

[1:08:28] So

[1:08:32] We didn't have power this year. >> Yeah, we sure did.

[1:08:35] » What was I in the middle of? >> Not even here. It was is I got my house,

[1:08:40] too. So clear all my life. >> Usually if we lose power, you'll lose

[1:08:45] power. >> Do you Do we know what happened?

[1:08:47] » Right. Yeah, we're on the same 11.

[1:08:59] But this place

[1:09:04] switching things over to different names is

[1:09:08] » incredibly difficult and timeconuming. >> Could it just say like city?

[1:09:14] » Where did you see the um address on those

[1:09:17] » top rights under ever? It shows service location

[1:09:25] » street lights. Which one are we looking at?

[1:09:29] » 420. >> 420. Yeah, this city building.

[1:09:35] » And then under here it says city library.

[1:09:39] » I don't know why the library.

[1:09:46] » We paid it last week too. >> Last week.

[1:09:50] » Right. But how did we go from 1,400 in June to 2900 in July and 20?

[1:10:01] But 420 is not >> not our address.

[1:10:05] » No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But your total bill is that you're talking about

[1:10:08] » how much was the one in >> Are you talking about

[1:10:11] » in August it was 4422? >> Yeah. But last August it was

[1:10:15] » 1,600 >> and this August it was 28.

[1:10:20] » And I see what you're saying. >> No the usage.

[1:10:28] It says 420 maid, but then down here it says city library. The city library is

[1:10:33] not 420 m. >> No, but the usage could be attributed to

[1:10:36] how hot it was the AC. I mean the AC constantly. This it was hot this year.

[1:10:43] » Last year though was hot. >> It was for a couple.

[1:10:47] » I feel like it was hotter last year for a longer period.

[1:10:51] Last year was hotter because in May our kids were like dying playing ball and

[1:10:56] they were not this year.

[1:11:01] » Okay, I give up. >> You have a phone call to make tomorrow.

[1:11:03] I want to know what 420 main is and why we're getting charged for

[1:11:07] » that's not our service address. >> Sorry. Sorry to be like that, but wow.

[1:11:15] first thing in the morning. >> 7 a.m.

[1:11:18] » They're not going to be open till 8:30. >> 8:31

[1:11:23] I've done that. >> Anyway, that caught my attention. That's

[1:11:28] a heavy $400 and some bill. >> There's $400.

[1:11:33] » The library be separ It shouldn't be. It's the It's on It should be the same.

[1:11:38] There's only one meter on this building, right?

[1:11:40] » It's the same meter. >> No, it shouldn't be. So something is not

[1:11:44] ready. >> But we've been paying it for Yeah, but

[1:11:48] we've been paying it for a long time. >> At least we'll get a big

[1:11:54] » Yeah, just

[1:11:59] donation. >> I don't know. Is there even power on?

[1:12:02] » That's what I'm wondering. Why would the power even be on?

[1:12:11] Sorry guys, that was a long thing.

[1:12:17] » Does everybody have a chance to look at it?

[1:12:22] » Was there a second on Kathy's, [Music]

[1:12:34] » doesn't it? >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure there was

[1:12:37] » this one right here. One above it. Is that what you wrote on

[1:12:40] it? >> Yeah, it says dear.

[1:12:43] » Yes. Yes.

[1:12:52] I move that we approve the minutes with that amendation

[1:12:58] » amendment >> for August 14th for both August 28th and

[1:13:05] the August

[1:13:11] I'll second all in favor

[1:13:16] any oppos

[1:13:28] have a motion to approve

[1:13:34] all the energy's priority inflation. Ivon

[1:13:47] need a motion to move from all except for that energy energy bill which we

[1:13:50] discussed a while ago. >> If it's then do you

[1:13:55] » any corrections to be made then we'll pass it time.

[1:14:00] » I'll second that. If that was a motion the motion.

[1:14:05] » All in favor I any opposed?

[1:14:20] jumping basically if something's not right

[1:14:26] for this building.

[1:14:33] » Anyway, so back to the super

[1:14:42] Why would the library

[1:14:48] blue building

[1:14:54] if there were two meters? They share a necklace.

[1:14:56] » Yeah. >> One would be like a half or something

[1:14:59] » or sweet a or half or something. >> Yeah.

[1:15:03] » To distinguish the two.

[1:15:15] I just saw that.

[1:15:23] You just have the wrong address on there.

[1:15:26] There's a blue building on there. It says city. No, it says city building.

[1:15:35] blue building or it's here.

[1:15:41] This one says city blue building, but it doesn't have a service tax on this one.

[1:15:49] You got lots of money straight out.

[1:16:09] Well, it also makes me wonder

[1:16:14] just

[1:16:30] thank

[1:16:35] Oh, we got a new equipment. Uh, we're going to work graphs the shop area

[1:16:41] getting ready. I got a call from the insurance company about the lean tube.

[1:16:46] Uh, they are in contact with the adjuster that came out and did the

[1:16:52] adjustment of the shelter house and link to. So, I went to hear back from them.

[1:16:58] Um, I went over to LNL today, paid the deposit, dropped off the sign bid.

[1:17:04] They're going to load the roof tomorrow. Um, and depending on what time they come

[1:17:10] loaded, it shouldn't take long. I would I wouldn't think it's not that

[1:17:16] big. Um, and then included in the bit was the gutters. So, they're going to

[1:17:21] come out replacing gutters. So, was originally the color.

[1:17:26] Um, >> look nice.

[1:17:28] » Mhm. >> Yeah. And then everybody's going to look

[1:17:31] at the paint because the paint's starting to look like crap, too. So, me

[1:17:34] and Max get out. Yeah. Me and Max may get out and start painting those once

[1:17:40] the weather kind of levels out right now.

[1:17:48] » Yeah. Well, I mean for the next few days hopefully the humidity here days

[1:17:54] » right for Thursday, Friday and Saturday and then it looks like the temperature

[1:17:58] out next week which should be really nice. Uh we are cutting down to one bowl

[1:18:04] and going to go ahead and winterize this all the numbers that we got. Um, I mowed

[1:18:08] the entire town day and then he needed

[1:18:16] three days or whatever. Just whatever we could get out. So that way we got we can

[1:18:22] put somebody doing something else besides mowing and we just not have to

[1:18:28] worry about paying for basically the rest of the year.

[1:18:31] » And Kate's done, right? >> Yep.

[1:18:33] » Yeah. Um, >> you just have to have your weed eater

[1:18:36] with you and weed. >> I've been carrying the weed eater around

[1:18:41] in the truck. So, every time we go somewhere, if I'm like, "Oh, it needs

[1:18:44] weed," I just hop out. >> One of us will hop out and it just makes

[1:18:48] it go a lot faster. Um, we're going to fall spray

[1:18:54] um again um probably here in the next hopefully

[1:18:59] at the end month if everything go. I sprayed again all this week. Um sent Max

[1:19:04] out and sprayed all the streets again. Um

[1:19:11] I I think so you guys had to do a motion

[1:19:16] to sell the bucket truck and now that we have the new equipment, I think we need

[1:19:21] to move forward with less than the other stuff on purple wave.

[1:19:26] » Yeah. The mini excavator. >> You got the backhoe.

[1:19:30] to backho and >> tractor.

[1:19:33] » So I tractor is gonna work.

[1:19:38] » Tractor tractor and brush hog we're going to hang on to um into spring. I

[1:19:44] don't plan on using it. >> Until then really um everything looks

[1:19:50] good right now that we've been brush hoging. We'll probably brush hog the new

[1:19:53] well site probably one more time before everything goes normal. But besides

[1:19:58] that, we shouldn't need to use it much. Um, we've been using the box blade to

[1:20:03] spread gravel, but that's been about it. Um, so we will hang on to those things.

[1:20:10] Everything else though, >> we should get some big dollars out of

[1:20:13] the mini excavator because he hasn't been

[1:20:15] » I think many I think I have to find the paperwork, but I

[1:20:20] think it was like between 60 and 75,000 was what we paid for. But like 36 hours

[1:20:28] since it was on >> 36 hours

[1:20:32] brand new. >> Biggest thing is biggest thing is those

[1:20:35] 36 hours. >> We didn't buy it right here, did we?

[1:20:37] » Yeah, >> we did buy it.

[1:20:38] » Yeah. >> So the biggest thing is when it was

[1:20:41] bought, they roeded it a lot. So like the tracks aren't the best shape because

[1:20:45] they're not meant to be off all the time. So, I mean, we it's one of those

[1:20:50] things we're gonna >> we could probably get 40 40 to 45 out of

[1:20:56] » that cover some couple months payments on the

[1:20:59] » Were they still interested in some of the that valley at the bucket?

[1:21:03] » I haven't heard anything else from Wes. He came down, took pictures. Um, he took

[1:21:07] it to his city council meeting last week.

[1:21:10] » Maybe I just have Sorry.

[1:21:14] I just have her back thrown, but it's it's definitely a

[1:21:20] city of Valley Falls has better things to worry about right now than buying a

[1:21:23] bunch of trucks. >> They got a lot of internal problems.

[1:21:28] » They got things on too. They got they got stuff too. Um I did I texted Brian

[1:21:36] with B&G. I don't know. I don't know. I talked to Katie about it.

[1:21:43] Eggman when they put in the new water line they

[1:21:47] did it by tap right in a JJ. They flush that line twice.

[1:21:53] I was told they were going to flush line. I just wasn't told when they're

[1:21:56] going to flush line. We ended up having a resident that has brown water, but

[1:22:02] it's only her house um that has brown water. Uh I went to the house

[1:22:07] surrounding it. I went to the end. Nobody else has brown water. So, I'm

[1:22:12] assuming that it has to do with something in her house. It's not our

[1:22:17] piping at all, but I did tell them like next time we do something like that, you

[1:22:21] can even give the city a heads up so that we can let put it out on Facebook,

[1:22:25] do a redness or whatever, just let people know it's going to happen. If

[1:22:29] people did lose water pressure, >> basically Dollar General up to the

[1:22:34] school would lost because that's all that that line flushed out. So

[1:22:40] » they abs I I really feel like they should not be doing any of that during

[1:22:44] the day, >> you know,

[1:22:45] » because we can't lose water, >> right?

[1:22:48] » And uh >> again, I just I was kind of like I don't

[1:22:51] really feel like you should be messing with the water lines without somebody

[1:22:55] present. >> So to come full circle to that that FG

[1:22:59] salt spill, Brian wasn't there that day. He was the guy that he would have called

[1:23:05] me and let me know, hey, Egleman's gonna flush the lines at this time.

[1:23:10] » Well, we're paying them. >> There's another B&G consultant there

[1:23:14] that I've never met before. >> So B&G had a presence there. I just

[1:23:18] don't know who they >> keep,

[1:23:23] » right? He didn't let me know. >> Did you know why he didn't let you know?

[1:23:27] » I'm sure Brian may have passed off or he may not. Yeah,

[1:23:31] » I was I was more concerned with whether or not that was about issue whether or

[1:23:35] not I had, >> you know.

[1:23:37] » Yeah. >> We went searching, couldn't find

[1:23:39] anything. Then I saw the valve switch that had a valve key on her valve that

[1:23:44] goes over there. I was like, "Oh, I've got two flush lines." I walked out there

[1:23:48] lines. So that was probably the that was most likely the source of why.

[1:23:54] » When was that?

[1:23:57] » Oh, okay. No, it was Monday.

[1:24:02] » It was Monday because before >> because I was at work because I couldn't

[1:24:05] answer >> right after we got the equipment because

[1:24:07] I was ready to go out drive the new skid steer like we had to go up there.

[1:24:12] » Yes, because I couldn't take your call because I was at work. Sorry.

[1:24:16] » Um, so that's that. There's a class for lift

[1:24:21] stations and maintenance coming up in October.

[1:24:24] » Yeah. >> That I want to go to. It's like 350

[1:24:28] bucks. It's incend.

[1:24:32] So I probably have to stay the night down there.

[1:24:34] » Got your hotel. You got your cardia meal.

[1:24:37] » I just need you guys to so I can go do it.

[1:24:42] » Go for it. >> Slide me up.

[1:24:45] » And then Max will be here. >> Yep. Max will be here for that. Um

[1:24:51] trying to think. I'm sure I'm missing things. Uh

[1:24:57] we're gonna we got the we're starting we're basically trying to get everything

[1:25:01] wrapped up get ready for fall and winter is where I'm at right now. Um once the

[1:25:05] grass goes dormant we'll be able to start getting back on alleys. But alleys

[1:25:09] seems kind of a fighting battle right now because I'm fighting grass. So until

[1:25:14] the grass goes dormant. I really don't want to go out there and spend time

[1:25:17] doing something. We did have them dump the 20 tons of rock that they normally

[1:25:21] dump at the rock pile. We had to come out and dump at the city shop because we

[1:25:26] were we had like 4 in mud on the ground. So we went relay gravel. Max is going to

[1:25:32] finish that up tomorrow while I'm gone and then Friday we'll be loading up

[1:25:36] gravel taking excess gravel.

[1:25:41] That concludes my >> What about where are we standing on FA's

[1:25:45] yard? What's his name? Willie F. It's still

[1:25:54] that tall.

[1:25:57] » The backyard. >> Backyard. We talked about it last

[1:26:00] meeting. >> Is that one to six?

[1:26:04] » Mhm. >> That's one of the stuff out front of the

[1:26:07] house. >> Yeah.

[1:26:10] I don't think I have got that. I'll go and put

[1:26:14] » it's that's this tall. >> That's in the backyard. Yep.

[1:26:16] » Yeah. >> You can see it from front street. First

[1:26:19] street. >> Yeah. He mows the front or somebody mows

[1:26:22] the front of >> cuz it's got to be full of rodents and

[1:26:26] everything else back there.

[1:26:32] » Um just to know it's probably like more of

[1:26:36] a state thing, but like over here at the corner by the blue like when those big

[1:26:42] semis come and then they pop the curb into the

[1:26:46] » We filled that once since I've been here. Um,

[1:26:50] it gets worse when it obviously when it rains and pushes everything out.

[1:26:56] I don't know that there's an easier way for them to get and because it's

[1:27:00] obviously their GPS that sends them that way.

[1:27:03] » So, I don't know if there's if it's easier to go that way because they come

[1:27:06] in by Dollar General, they come up to Rick and they make that turn

[1:27:10] » and I don't know if they make that turn because up here at the wild Main Street

[1:27:14] it's just difficult. >> Yeah. I don't

[1:27:18] » I watched one the other day I was out around I knew I saw wide lift was coming

[1:27:23] it was an empty wide just a big trailer so my part my vehicle up there by the

[1:27:28] park you know by well actually by rac and they did not go in any of the yards

[1:27:34] they they stayed in the street >> but if you look on that body on the

[1:27:38] north side there you can see there's >> oh yeah there's a bunch of them too

[1:27:42] » there there's clear black marks everywhere on that curve just have the

[1:27:46] like extra drives or like when you walk right in front of like that extra

[1:27:52] » like it's almost like they need like another

[1:27:56] or something like >> Yeah, but that shouldn't be our

[1:27:59] » No, because state highway. >> Yeah, state highway.

[1:28:02] » Right. Right. And that's it's probably more we need to get with the state to

[1:28:05] see if they can wet that. >> I mean,

[1:28:07] » no. Like and maybe it's silly like maybe it's just a waste of but like there's a

[1:28:12] little tube or whatever. It's It's broke, you know, a little drainage type

[1:28:15] thing you can see, but I don't know. And then there's just rucks and I don't

[1:28:19] know. >> I can reach out. I can call Joe and

[1:28:23] figure out who I should talk to. I don't >> I don't know.

[1:28:29] » Yes, there is. >> Did you talk to Joe about the

[1:28:32] » speed limit signs down by front of Adams is down there

[1:28:39] first? The speed limit sign could be moved out to the city limit sign. The

[1:28:44] city limit sign. Yeah,

[1:28:47] » Adam Deol. >> I know Adam.

[1:28:52] » So there's a sign down there. >> Well, they should be down closer to the

[1:28:55] because they that city >> it just says like like when you get

[1:28:59] closer into town like by Jen's house, >> it has like a 30 like

[1:29:04] » like it tells you like to decrease your speed.

[1:29:06] » The speed limit first. >> First street.

[1:29:09] » Yeah. So, I mean, we talked about it last meeting, one of the last two

[1:29:12] meetings, moving those signs down when you were

[1:29:15] » Yeah, I've been out of it. Oh, >> like the the 30 mph speed limit

[1:29:20] » should start at Jim Pots. >> And if you just got moved to the south

[1:29:26] on the edge, like at the speed limit.

[1:29:29] » Yep. I'll go check >> also. Um, did we is there any way we can

[1:29:34] put coal patch in that pothole there at >> George?

[1:29:38] because I've had three people come to me.

[1:29:41] » I went and drove past it today on Friday.

[1:29:45] » Oh, any update is when they're going to ask about

[1:29:49] not heard anything. I sent an email and a call and I have not heard back. I'm

[1:29:54] sure I will. to just the season. >> Yeah.

[1:30:00] » Yeah.

[1:30:11] Next. We might think something else.

[1:30:19] The treasures report. Lisa was able to print a lot of stuff for you guys. The

[1:30:26] first two pages are the money markets, the sewer, and the water. See how much

[1:30:31] is in those as of August 31st.

[1:30:37] I don't know there's a monthly increase.

[1:30:43] Yeah, that's looking for those two. The next sheet you'll see looks terrible.

[1:30:49] the treasures report. >> Yep.

[1:30:52] » Um, we printed this off so you could see how wild the numbers look because all of

[1:30:59] this is wrong. >> So, this isn't correct numbers.

[1:31:03] » It's not correct at all.

[1:31:07] » This is one of the ones that we're trying to figure out.

[1:31:10] » Okay. Do we have corrected numbers? Do Do we know the correct numbers for

[1:31:16] » Not yet. So Christina identifies the ones that need correcting. Lisa goes in

[1:31:23] and tries to correct them. If not, then we get to G Works and she has three open

[1:31:28] tickets. >> Do we know what our balance is for the

[1:31:31] general fund at all? I assume it's not negative 70,000.

[1:31:36] » No, I assume the ending balance is not.

[1:31:41] » Yeah. So like

[1:31:46] » this one says general account and the balance on August 31st

[1:31:52] » 394,000 >> that's encompassing of all the accounts

[1:31:56] I believe >> I believe that this is just the bank

[1:31:59] account with all of the money. >> So this is all this together.

[1:32:06] » Yes. So that 394,000 includes sewer of what's in the water and sewer, right?

[1:32:11] » Uh rent minus what's in those money markets,

[1:32:14] » right?

[1:32:19] » But so Lisa has open tickets. She's working on correcting those with

[1:32:25] Christina. Um, but we wanted to print the report so

[1:32:31] you guys can see that we have access to the report. It's just

[1:32:36] it's wrong. Obviously, we don't have we didn't start this year with 70,000 in

[1:32:43] our general function.

[1:32:48] We're just working with G Works to try and correct it. But like yesterday, they

[1:32:53] closed the ticket. We had to reopen it. Well, I guess I'm confused then because

[1:32:58] she had Christina had a treasury report for the year ending in 2024, right?

[1:33:04] » That's correct. That you gave >> it was that's what you sent to the

[1:33:08] budget people, right? >> Yes.

[1:33:11] » So, if it was a the ending report was correct in 2024 that she sent that

[1:33:18] should be what the beginning balance is here.

[1:33:23] » You mean

[1:33:27] Yeah, I don't understand. So, the beginning balance here should be yes,

[1:33:31] 2024, >> but it's not.

[1:33:33] » But it's not because we're not able to fix it in G.

[1:33:40] » So, so this report is what it's out of G Works.

[1:33:44] » Yes. So, why

[1:33:49] I guess why can't we get a report that shows what it was at the end of

[1:33:55] 2024? Because if she had she had to have had a

[1:34:00] report at the end of 2024 to submit for the budget. Yes, Christina came up with

[1:34:05] those numbers through the numbers we gave her. So, that's Christina's

[1:34:11] own reports. Nothing to do with G Works. Except for like all the information was

[1:34:17] sent to Christina, >> right? I get that. I get that. Yeah.

[1:34:20] » But that's what we sent to have our budget based on.

[1:34:22] » Yes. >> So, what I'm saying is is that's what

[1:34:25] should be in the beginning balance on here.

[1:34:30] » Yes. >> So, you you should be there should be a

[1:34:32] way you could go in Excel and make a sheet. Yeah. You're going to pull this

[1:34:36] off of the G Works. I get that part. But you should be able to go into Excel, set

[1:34:40] you up a word spreadsheet, >> and it shows the correct beginning

[1:34:44] balance. >> Yeah, we could create the correct

[1:34:47] beginning balance using Christina's numbers, but the received, dis

[1:34:53] dispersed, and change in liabilities and ending balance. Those numbers we won't

[1:34:59] get through GW works either because those numbers are also wrong.

[1:35:03] » So nothing on here is correct. >> Exactly.

[1:35:07] That's what we're trying to fix.

[1:35:12] And it's been like that for over a year >> since they were since they made us go to

[1:35:17] the >> since October 23.

[1:35:20] » Yeah. >> 24.

[1:35:25] » It was before I was here. So >> October

[1:35:28] » September

[1:35:34] » November >> 24.

[1:35:38] I know he's done so much work.

[1:35:43] » So, yeah.

[1:35:46] » So, well, let me I'm just going to ask another question.

[1:35:51] » So, Christina is running she's actually coming up with a treasures report. Is

[1:35:55] she coming up with one per month or is she coming up with one per quarter?

[1:36:01] She came up with that one treasures report for the end of 24 based on the

[1:36:08] numbers we gave her just for the budget. So, a year.

[1:36:15] Do you think that like our next meeting that we can have Lisa here and have

[1:36:27] » sorry that was not very nice. boyfriend Christina, maybe even like a phone

[1:36:31] conference. I don't know. Like I It just like

[1:36:35] baffled me that like it is still so messed up and we are not making any

[1:36:40] progress. >> It baffles. I mean I'm beyond baffled.

[1:36:44] I'm just flat out frustrated with >> and I get it that it's GWorks. I get

[1:36:49] that part. But we were also paying Christina to pull numbers out of G

[1:36:54] Works. And I was I thought we were paying her

[1:36:58] more than like just once a year to do it because we have got to know we have to

[1:37:06] know what's in funds. >> Yes,

[1:37:08] » we have got to know that because we could be paying Ryan out of a fund and

[1:37:13] not have any money. >> Just just in

[1:37:18] » I just just an example. We could be paying him out of that and so then you

[1:37:23] know instead it should be it could be coming out of general. We don't know

[1:37:26] where it's coming from. >> I don't

[1:37:28] » I'm not hollering at you. I'm just >> I'm trying to understand as well. Does

[1:37:32] does Christina do a quarterly report based on funds? Is that something

[1:37:39] » that's I'm asking the question. That's what I'm asking.

[1:37:42] » Oh, I have no idea. I don't think that's it. I don't know if that's something the

[1:37:48] city has asked for to do. >> We should be having a church report once

[1:37:51] a month. >> Yeah.

[1:37:52] » So, like >> for a month,

[1:37:54] » we know that that's not going to happen. >> What questions

[1:37:59] do we like? Like when was when was the last month

[1:38:06] like reconcile or like reconciliation? reconciliation of the loans like in G

[1:38:13] Works or >> is it not in like

[1:38:16] » we know G Works isn't right. So like what are we doing? What are we using to

[1:38:20] make sure everything matches up >> that I don't know nothing that I can see

[1:38:29] » like like to make sure that this check was actually this check and not this

[1:38:33] check. >> Yeah.

[1:38:34] » Well that it was applied to the right funds.

[1:38:37] I mean with the general ledgers we tell you that

[1:38:40] » but from what I'm hearing this what I'm hearing is the general ledgers are so

[1:38:43] screwed up in G works that it's not functional

[1:38:46] » right so >> it was my thought that Christina was

[1:38:51] going in there and pulling this information and making it where we at

[1:38:54] least knew how much was coming out of this fund how much was coming out that

[1:38:57] fund d >> even maybe an email to Christina like

[1:39:03] » we are not understanding where

[1:39:08] where this process is at and how it's being fixed or

[1:39:15] how >> I don't I don't understand it.

[1:39:19] » I think the only way it'll get fixed is if we change our system.

[1:39:24] » Well, will it get fixed? But I mean, just

[1:39:29] hopefully. But the thing is is what Jenna is trying

[1:39:33] to say is like we're not seeing any any of that ever.

[1:39:39] » Nope. >> Just like what Kathy was saying like

[1:39:42] we're not there's you we should be getting something every month.

[1:39:46] » Yeah. >> Yeah. Even I mean this I

[1:39:49] » Well, even here, let me I'm going to back up a little before they made the

[1:39:53] change. I'm backing up. Let's say, okay, Deb left in March.

[1:39:58] I'm backing up till I'll give it April, starting in May. You know what we got

[1:40:03] for the treasures report? A print out off of G Works that said

[1:40:09] treasures report ending balance. That's all it said. Give you one number. It

[1:40:14] didn't break anything out by fund. It didn't break anything out by beginning

[1:40:18] balance. It didn't break anything out by expenses receipts

[1:40:22] » and ending balance which I know how that was done before it was done on Excel

[1:40:28] spreadsheet. Now Excel spreadsheet you know existed and it was it was trained

[1:40:32] on Lisa was trained on how to do that. This is before GWorks ever went online

[1:40:38] or got updated. So we didn't have one. Our last effective treasures report was

[1:40:44] March >> of this year.

[1:40:46] » No 23 23. No, 24. >> 24 of March. That's whenever the last

[1:40:52] one came whenever Deb left. >> And we have not had one since then.

[1:40:58] » We had Wait, I back up. We had one in September

[1:41:02] of 24, but it wasn't right. >> So, we haven't had one. I mean, and my

[1:41:09] thing is, so this has been happening even before the changeover took place.

[1:41:14] » Okay. So, and what you're saying is what they're saying is like everybody's

[1:41:19] saying I think is like every month even if G works is wrong, there should be

[1:41:24] something showing what what is going on with the money

[1:41:28] within the state and there that's not being that's not nobody's supplying that

[1:41:34] to us. >> No,

[1:41:35] » that's the problem. I think that's what we're wanting things to say. I don't

[1:41:39] » this this this and this that's happened within the last within the last

[1:41:44] » I don't know too many companies in this world whether corporate public private I

[1:41:48] don't know who I don't care that could operate on the fact that they don't know

[1:41:53] what they've got in their funds and they don't know and there for a while we

[1:41:57] didn't even know what we had in the bank >> and that's my concern

[1:42:01] » you don't I mean we know we don't know where the money I mean we have somebody

[1:42:06] money say Like you don't know. You literally have no idea.

[1:42:12] » We have no as a city. We have no idea. Like

[1:42:16] » I mean if we had to go through if we had to go through a government audit Yeah.

[1:42:20] » We would fail. We would fail horribly. >> We wouldn't have we are

[1:42:24] » No, no, no. I'm talking a government audit. If the state came in and audit

[1:42:27] us, we would fail miserably. >> Oh, I got you.

[1:42:30] » And maybe like do we need to have like specific questions for Lisa? I Yeah,

[1:42:35] because right now what it is is you guys kind of tell me what you want. So like

[1:42:41] in the meeting minutes I wrote down that you wanted the big fresh.

[1:42:43] » You're doing fine. >> And then I communicate that with Lisa

[1:42:46] and then I try to communicate with her other things you guys might be looking

[1:42:50] for. But >> there's a loss in translation. There's,

[1:42:56] » you know, >> well, it'd be helpful if she was here.

[1:42:59] I've never met her. That also comes down to how many hours

[1:43:04] she gets a week. So if she's doing the 16 like she was asked then but she

[1:43:11] hasn't been doing 16. >> She's been doing 20 24.

[1:43:16] So for >> my shut up

[1:43:25] » and I guess

[1:43:31] the asking for the treasur is not either that's something that's been asked for

[1:43:36] for a year. >> Yeah.

[1:43:37] » Over 18 months. >> And if we're plugging everything into G

[1:43:41] Works and G Works is still not right. What are we doing to know what we're see

[1:43:47] if this is I just know my system didn't work correctly. we any kind of job you

[1:43:54] would have a backup to be able to reconcile later on fix the issue like

[1:43:59] you would have a backup for the system that would that had the error like you

[1:44:05] would have a if we knew GWorks wasn't doing it

[1:44:09] correct we would be do I would be using like an Excel spreadsheet or whatever

[1:44:14] to balance everything I just know like

[1:44:19] that's how companies work on it if They knew there was a system issue.

[1:44:24] » You're right. >> So maybe we need like some specific

[1:44:27] questions

[1:44:32] like we can just

[1:44:36] submit them

[1:44:40] » and then you can compile.

[1:44:44] I I don't even know like >> Well, do we want to ask her to have a

[1:44:49] spreadsheet for a monthly treasures report for next

[1:44:54] time like on an Excel or something like that?

[1:44:57] » I feel like that's just going to take up how much more time?

[1:44:59] » That's what I was wondering. That's too much time.

[1:45:01] » How much more time is that going to take for trying to create it?

[1:45:03] » And just playing devil's advocate. She could put whatever number she wants to

[1:45:07] in this Excel spreadsheet. >> I mean, that's true. You're right.

[1:45:10] » I mean, you're right. You have to have the data to back it up. And right now we

[1:45:15] don't have a system that gives us the data.

[1:45:17] » Okay, here's what I can tell you is as soon as the 24 books are done, which I

[1:45:21] am under the impression they're going to be done shortly, it'll go in for audit.

[1:45:25] The 23 books are with Barney now. Sweet in audit. So,

[1:45:33] » and >> well, but my thing is, okay, I'm going

[1:45:36] back to if Christina can come up with numbers for the end of the year for

[1:45:40] 2024, why can't we have numbers monthly or at

[1:45:47] least quarterly? I maybe monthly is too much to ask for, but I'm saying at least

[1:45:51] quarterly. >> And maybe we were specific enough to

[1:45:54] » But I mean, here here's the flip side of that. Here's the flip side. We're gonna

[1:45:58] be paying Christina how many months? We've never seen a bill from Christina

[1:46:01] for the work that she's done so far already.

[1:46:04] » I don't know. I haven't seen one. Has anybody else in here seen one?

[1:46:06] » I think she sent one bill, but I can't remember when.

[1:46:10] » But I mean, that's my question is how much money are we spending out in It's a

[1:46:15] rabbit hole. >> I agree.

[1:46:19] » We're double paying. >> But why? But what are we getting out of

[1:46:22] it? >> Nothing.

[1:46:22] » But why? That's what I'm saying. >> Lisa is doing more than just what

[1:46:25] Christina is doing. She's doing She's paying the bills.

[1:46:28] » I get that part. I get that part. I don't have a problem with that part.

[1:46:32] » But I'm have my problem that I'm having is

[1:46:36] » if we don't have >> Yeah. But once

[1:46:42] but once that you told once that person was

[1:46:45] » Let's go. I make a motion we go into executive session for 10 minutes

[1:46:51] » to discuss non-elected personnel. >> How many?

[1:46:54] » 10 minutes.

[1:46:57] present. >> Pardon me.

[1:47:00] » Who do you want present? >> Council members

[1:47:06] » and mayor and mayor >> and lawyer. Excuse me. Council members

[1:47:11] present. Mayor and lawyer

[1:47:19] » in regular session. No motions were made during the executive session.

[1:47:25] Contin

[1:47:28] is the last sheet that you provided is the checking accounts

[1:47:33] with all of the and

[1:47:39] so you can see how much has gone in.

[1:48:02] All I have for the treasury report. >> Thank you, Adam.

[1:48:10] City clerk's report. Um, the very last page on everyone's name I have attached.

[1:48:18] It is the green one.

[1:48:29] So, uh, they contacted the city. It's like code red except for it's more in

[1:48:36] depth. Um, it looks like a great program. It would

[1:48:42] only cost the city $125 a month, but I don't think that we're there yet. I

[1:48:49] don't think that we've got enough people willing to sign up to do it. I think

[1:48:55] Code Red works. I think we have it. It doesn't cost us anything. It works.

[1:49:00] » Same with Coen. I'm not on it. >> You might um at some point

[1:49:05] » to the county. >> You might on some point put an you know,

[1:49:09] a thing out. We might have to put a thing out like a letter out or something

[1:49:13] if you want to be sign up for alerts sign up for on the county.

[1:49:18] » I feel like didn't that go out on that went out on a water bill.

[1:49:22] » It did. >> Oh, okay then.

[1:49:23] » Yeah. >> Well, that one lady said that she didn't

[1:49:26] know anything about it. So, I didn't know. I don't know.

[1:49:28] » After that that it went out like how to sign up.

[1:49:31] » They only >> I think way before

[1:49:35] we did the consumer confident report. They go with that one.

[1:49:40] » Yeah. >> Okay, that makes sense.

[1:49:42] » Yeah. Yeah. We x that one. >> So, it looks like a great idea. They

[1:49:47] have a map one where they can uh isolate areas of the city and send text to just

[1:49:55] those locations. Like if we have a boil order for it's not the entire city, but

[1:50:02] I think with the few people we have on code of bread, if we can't get people to

[1:50:07] sign up for that, there's no way we're get them to sign up for something.

[1:50:13] But I wanted to bring it up. So you guys then

[1:50:21] I have uh Pat, thank you. Was able to get the ordinance. This is the last one

[1:50:25] for the animals. It's the second to last year.

[1:50:29] This one was um increasing the dog tag amount from $5

[1:50:39] spayed and neutered to $10 and then $20 for dogs.

[1:50:54] classification because

[1:50:59] » this only goes. Yeah, actually the last one I had like

[1:51:03] males and then females spayed with females unspayed because I was like

[1:51:11] kind of disatory. >> I make a motion that we adopt ordinance

[1:51:15] number 2025-8 an ordinance amending section 2-105

[1:51:22] 2 of the code of ordinances of the city of Effingham, Kansas relating to dog

[1:51:28] license taxes. I'll second it.

[1:51:33] » All in favor? Any opposed?

[1:51:38] » Um, I'm working on the other pieces to get them on to the websites. They should

[1:51:44] be there hopefully by the end of the week if not next week. I'm working on

[1:51:49] those the publications and everything as well.

[1:51:54] I had a slow day Friday, so I started to go through and update the ordinance

[1:52:00] books. I got through chapter five. Chapter 5 is where it has that weird

[1:52:05] font. Turned out that >> same font.

[1:52:09] » Turned out that it wasn't the font that it's the issue. They messed with the

[1:52:13] settings of the paper itself. So, spacings,

[1:52:19] everything like that. I'm going through and

[1:52:22] creating new almost resetting to default and yeah uh a lot of them are weird. So

[1:52:31] in nuisances they don't have like 2-503 for each for different things. It's just

[1:52:38] one 2-503 and then 16 definition and stuff like that. So, it won't be perfect

[1:52:45] match, but it won't stab you in the eye when you look at it.

[1:52:52] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:52:53] » Yeah.

[1:52:57] » Other than that, I have the Towns and Hub grant that I'm working on finishing.

[1:53:03] It's due by the end of the month. I'll work with Jason on the grants.

[1:53:08] » What's the town? >> Sorry.

[1:53:12] Yeah. Um, >> how much is that for?

[1:53:16] » 500. It's the last 590 or 550 something.

[1:53:26] So, other than that,

[1:53:38] » janitor. >> Oh, yes. Um,

[1:53:43] she cleans the blue buildings on Tuesdays. She comes in every Friday thus

[1:53:48] far to check up to see if there's anything that she's missed, if uh, like,

[1:53:54] you know, what extra we have her do, stuff like that. So,

[1:54:00] » yeah, she >> open. Okay. Yep. So, she comes in and

[1:54:06] she checks in, which is really nice. Have you been with them?

[1:54:10] » I was there today looking

[1:54:18] » I was like is that >> it doesn't have air conditioning.

[1:54:21] » I have a quick question. This was asked of me today on the front desk when you

[1:54:25] go into it. It still lists like Janet Eert and all that kind of stuff. Is that

[1:54:29] because we can't get that changed? >> Yeah. I just want to make sure.

[1:54:33] » So the front desk is G Works. Uh when they when I log a ticket and they go all

[1:54:39] they still ask for GNA even though everything is under my name.

[1:54:43] » Okay. I just I was I told them I didn't think it was going to change because

[1:54:47] we're getting rid of that. So >> Okay.

[1:54:49] » I stopped fighting after month four. >> Yeah. I don't blame you.

[1:54:55] » Yeah.

[1:55:06] any committee. >> So I have a I remember I was gonna ask

[1:55:10] you is there anything with the pool? Has it all been winterized as well?

[1:55:13] » Yep. I'm just I actively pump it out. >> I know at one time we were going to

[1:55:20] repaint um and we were thinking about doing that at the end of the year as

[1:55:24] opposed to beginning of the year. >> No, I'll probably do that.

[1:55:28] » Okay. because I got to go through a bunch of cracks in it too.

[1:55:33] » Okay. >> There are spots that they went through

[1:55:37] and they placed the sealant on it, but they still seal and buckle concrete.

[1:55:45] So that'll be in the spring. That'll be probably

[1:55:50] rags reseal with the paint, the pool paint basically. for right now. I don't

[1:55:57] want to do that before about it. >> I think ours is like

[1:56:01] » be get I mean when we start dipping down in the below

[1:56:07] freezing if I've got water in it I've got to pump it every day. Right now it's

[1:56:11] like go and check it as long as it just blow up pumping we're fine and then I'll

[1:56:18] pump it out. Then I got to get all the leaves out and then

[1:56:22] it's basically a matter of just pumping it every time. I got liquid.

[1:56:26] » I think we were talking about painting the deck part, weren't we?

[1:56:29] » Yeah, >> that's what I was making.

[1:56:33] » The thermal paint >> or the thermo like where it's not hot.

[1:56:40] » That was before you. Yes. >> Yes.

[1:56:41] » Okay. >> They have paint that's like that you can

[1:56:44] walk on that's not as doesn't make it as hot, right?

[1:56:47] » Something like that. >> Yeah. I forget what it was called it,

[1:56:52] but it was um it was four pools. It like you can use it for patios, decks. It's

[1:56:58] just to keep it from getting so blasted hot

[1:57:01] » and maybe just like a path. It wasn't necessarily path circles or you know

[1:57:06] splash of water abilities.

[1:57:12] » I can do circles really.

[1:57:16] » No, like a water splash. You know, like the water splash

[1:57:22] could be best. >> Come on.

[1:57:25] » Paintbr. >> There you go.

[1:57:28] » But I'll look it. I thought you meant the pool.

[1:57:31] » All right. I realized that after you were started and I didn't have a hard

[1:57:35] time. >> Thank you.

[1:57:37] » You're very passionate about it. >> Okay. So,

[1:57:42] » we still got to fill it. >> Our bond says we have to fill it.

[1:57:47] » Okay. So, there's a drain in the bottom of the pool, right?

[1:57:49] » In fact, it's not. >> There's a knot. Okay.

[1:57:52] » Okay. So, >> there used to be.

[1:57:56] » Yeah. It's all on how you look at it. Yes. There are two pipes at the bottom

[1:58:00] of the pool. Those two pipes are filled with grout concrete

[1:58:06] because there is a leak somewhere in between

[1:58:11] the drain. You know, you know where the pump house is, right? You know that big

[1:58:16] round ated pipe that comes out. So in there there's a valve that you

[1:58:21] essentially you're supposed to be able to open it and it drains the pool out

[1:58:25] » the correct way >> into into our sewer.

[1:58:28] » Sure. >> Gets out or in however it gets out.

[1:58:32] » Sure. >> Problem is that there was a leak between

[1:58:36] that 6 in pipe and where it goes down to 2 in pipe drains

[1:58:43] instead of finding that leak. And I mean we're talking

[1:58:48] This is a 2008 reconstruction. When they filled this, instead of finding those

[1:58:53] leaks, they filled those. So now the only way to fill and drain the pool is

[1:59:00] through the 3-in pump to drain it and then

[1:59:04] uh I mean we open up the valve, fill it, not whatever, but

[1:59:08] » but you can't like open a valve and let the water So that's why you have to put

[1:59:11] the sub valve in. >> Yeah. Okay. And it's just a matter of

[1:59:16] going in there and draining it. So the water gets to start certain hide. Um

[1:59:22] in the fall it's going to become more of a nuisance because we got to keep it dry

[1:59:25] enough that the leaves stay dry so we can le blow it out and they don't start

[1:59:29] building nasty. >> And see that's how it's been for years

[1:59:33] since all winter. >> Yeah.

[1:59:34] » And then it's brown. >> Yeah. And I'm trying not to fight it.

[1:59:38] » Yes. >> Spring winter started. That's so much

[1:59:41] better. >> It's it's just upkeeping it,

[1:59:44] » you know, and with two of us fulltimeish, it's going to be no

[1:59:47] problem. Keep it just >> pay attention to have to do it. You

[1:59:51] know, it's a weekly thing in >> Okay. Sorry.

[1:59:58] » That was my committee >> here to answer questions.

[2:00:03] fix.

[2:00:09] » He had mentioned it last time thing and I was like, "Oh, I completely

[2:00:15] forgot." Tell me something. >> The only thing that I would have for

[2:00:20] like committee reports. So like our our sign, our new sign,

[2:00:25] how do we want to proceed? Do we want to

[2:00:32] » Yeah. Yeah, I say we just wait on it. Wait for funding the roof. It's going to

[2:00:36] cost us to completely else. >> I also wondered like if Lions Club would

[2:00:41] be interested in like helping with the project like that. Um I know Lions Club

[2:00:47] has talked about doing like the veteran banners on Main Street. Like maybe they

[2:00:50] would be interested in doing some banners. I think that it would if they

[2:00:56] did that and maybe the littleer signs for the edges of town like because

[2:01:01] » yeah sign on that would be included. >> So I would see maybe that I don't think

[2:01:07] we need another big sign right now. >> I want to throw something else on that

[2:01:12] too. I think in the future when we go to do any kind of a project like that we

[2:01:17] have to know total cost >> right

[2:01:19] » I mean and that total cost has to be at least estimated before we start any

[2:01:24] process design anything on it so that we have a clear concise picture of what

[2:01:29] it's going to cost us >> and that's on me or not like thinking

[2:01:33] about >> I'm just saying we need to put something

[2:01:35] in place where if you want to we want to do a project you have got to have the

[2:01:39] total cost design um installation, you know, building materials in all that

[2:01:46] kind of stuff. You need to have all that up front

[2:01:49] » so that we don't get blindsided. So, >> if we did find location, the entrances

[2:01:55] would be at all the same from every direction. All three.

[2:01:59] » Well, the east >> that's where it is now, right?

[2:02:06] is the other one you can see when you're coming from the south when you're going

[2:02:12] » mine will be we'll have another like start up for the year here in a couple

[2:02:16] weeks. So, I just thought like if it'll be okay like I can bring it up to them

[2:02:21] and see if they'd be interested at all. Might as well

[2:02:29] » and then I think we can also I don't know

[2:02:34] things out again maybe too even though they did it they might not be the team's

[2:02:38] person to do banners. I don't know. >> Yes. Yes. There's some

[2:02:54] an address any

[2:03:12] any finger

[2:03:19] openness

[2:03:26] two meetings a month. Did you guys want to have another meeting this month?

[2:03:31] And what day was that meeting?

[2:03:44] No one had it that uh this year. Last year we had a couple of people who were

[2:03:48] at every meeting. No one's made it this year. So I'm

[2:03:54] disappointed. >> I have so far.

[2:04:02] » I've missed one. We're hitting the end of our term

[2:04:05] right about the time. Are we looking at like the 24th? Wednesday the 24th.

[2:04:10] » I can't do 24th. >> I can't do the 24th. And so Mondays and

[2:04:15] Thursdays are going to be out. Thursdays will be out for him too.

[2:04:18] » I said Wednesday is about the best day. >> I can't do that. But if you can

[2:04:23] » I can't do the I can't be here. We can't do 24. What

[2:04:27] » What about um what about next Wednesday? Maybe we have

[2:04:32] got some feedback from Christina. We can move forward with that.

[2:04:36] 17th >> that's been

[2:04:40] » 17th I could do >> I've got to figure that out. It's

[2:04:43] nothing for I'm working in Kansas City all day for a conference

[2:04:47] » on that day on the 17th. I've got to figure out

[2:04:52] I got to talk to getting my kids to address after practice because we have

[2:04:57] Wednesday schools on Wednesday nights for confirmation classes.

[2:05:03] That's where my kids stop

[2:05:07] for game. I don't think it should work. >> Uh, just a second. Boys start soccer

[2:05:14] next week. Got to see if they play.

[2:05:30] While we're waiting on that, I wanted to bring everybody up to date on OKAM

[2:05:33] Regional Council. >> Um, I attended the last meeting

[2:05:38] as well as the bylaws committee that I got sub to. Um, we made changes on the

[2:05:45] bylaws that they're going to change their

[2:05:50] budget dates and so forth. But on the meeting that we actually had, um, to be

[2:05:57] real honest with you, nothing in Kansas is really important on that committee.

[2:06:03] It's mainly all Missouri. >> You're going to fight for Kansas.

[2:06:07] » Um, yeah, as much as I can. Um, but I just kind of get the feeling that I mean

[2:06:13] Aes was on there and Aes was telling you about some of the stuff, but as far as

[2:06:17] like grants and stuff, I mean a lot of the grants were in Missouri

[2:06:22] and you know I think we need to maybe look at one. They have a mural um grant

[2:06:28] that we might be able to get do the mural.

[2:06:32] Um, but I I don't I just get the feeling they

[2:06:38] were kind of secondary. >> Aren't they supposed to be coming at

[2:06:42] some point or have they >> doing the survey? They should have done

[2:06:45] the survey the 18th and 19th. >> Yeah, we had I had the meeting the end

[2:06:50] of August. >> Wouldn't when didn't use the time frame

[2:06:53] for like feedback on that one. Was that after they did their survey?

[2:07:00] No, they didn't really say they didn't say anything about survivor.

[2:07:03] » So, but I mean from what I get from the Missouri part of it is that they do

[2:07:08] grants for different things like parks and they do grants for trails and there

[2:07:13] was a lady on there from the state of Missouri um was talking about the grants

[2:07:17] that they do for parks and trails and all that kind of stuff and Kansas does

[2:07:22] not have that kind of grant program as of yet. they're looking into it, but

[2:07:27] that's what was really transpiring. So, um I'm not real impressed with them yet.

[2:07:33] I'm going to wait. I mean, I won't be at their next meeting. I'll be out of town,

[2:07:36] but I'm waiting to see what happens. And I'll wait to see what happens at the

[2:07:41] October meeting.

[2:07:44] I'm not real. >> Did you go to the town of country meet?

[2:07:49] » Town of country meeting. >> The project. I did not go to the project

[2:07:52] concern meeting because I did not find out about it until the night before the

[2:07:55] meeting and I already had plans that day. Um but I will tell you what I did

[2:07:58] get. I got a phone call from Casey Quinn um Monday.

[2:08:04] She called me and she wanted to talk about the budget for the project concern

[2:08:10] and she said basically that they had a survey county sent out a survey or you

[2:08:16] could do it online. I don't know. I didn't see the survey, didn't

[2:08:18] participate in it, but she said 72% of the people that did the survey said that

[2:08:23] the Ason County tax dollars should not be spent on anything other than

[2:08:27] statutory agencies, which is government agencies.

[2:08:32] And she called me to let me know that she was probably going to go with the

[2:08:38] survey results and therefore she was not going to be in favor of approving any

[2:08:43] money to go to Project Concern at all. She said she did not know about Eric C

[2:08:49] Eric Null or James Campbell what they were going to do, but she said, you

[2:08:52] know, we're looking I'm looking at it from a survey side of this.

[2:08:55] » How many people participated in the survey?

[2:08:58] » I do not know the answer. The only survey that I saw was concerning tax

[2:09:02] dollars and >> was tax dollars,

[2:09:04] » the increase of the taxes, but I don't remember them saying

[2:09:07] » there was supposedly Steve Kaplinger was at our meeting today or over there today

[2:09:10] and he said that he was he saw this survey and he actually answered it and

[2:09:14] he said the question on the agency thing was very

[2:09:19] mis misstated. >> That's what I'm saying. I didn't even

[2:09:22] know there was one on there. There was one on there that said, "Do you think

[2:09:25] that the something about do you think that the tax dollars should only be

[2:09:29] approved for state for um statuto agencies, you know, state a you know,

[2:09:35] government agencies? And if not, if you don't if your answer is no, then you

[2:09:39] need to explain which agencies, you know, you're talking about." And so he

[2:09:44] said, "What happens is on those kind of surveys, people just say yes." They

[2:09:47] don't want to check no and have to explain.

[2:09:49] » So that's up like that on purpose. Well, don't you think

[2:09:54] » I'm not saying that, but I'm just saying that's

[2:09:56] » I would think that that is a state program. It's all

[2:09:59] » I would think that's a state program. >> It's not a state program,

[2:10:03] » but that's what you know like >> Yeah, it's not a state program. Project

[2:10:06] Concern is a private corporation >> and they are not regulated by Comora or

[2:10:12] any of that because I've already talked to the attorney general. I turned them

[2:10:14] in and found that out. >> The attorney general came back to me and

[2:10:18] said they're not they're not subject to coma. They're not accepted to subject to

[2:10:21] Kora and they don't have to tell us anything. So when Casey Quinn was

[2:10:27] talking to me, I said, "So I find it ironic that you're giving money to a

[2:10:31] company and you're not even asking anything about what the money where it's

[2:10:35] being spent, what's being done, nothing." And she said, "Well, you know,

[2:10:38] we're in a really tight budget constraint right now." So she said, you

[2:10:41] know, I don't know what, like I said, I don't know what Eric Nolles and Jim

[2:10:44] Campbell is going to do on it, but also she they were very she was very upset

[2:10:49] that Project Concern came to the meeting to present their budget and they

[2:10:53] basically handed the county commissioners an ultimatum that they

[2:10:57] either got $125,000 in funding or they were going to close Effingham down.

[2:11:02] That's how exactly how it was put. if we do not get $125,000 in our budget from

[2:11:07] the county, we're closing Effingham down.

[2:11:11] So, um you know, I I let my I just told her I said, "You guys are basically

[2:11:17] telling anybody west of Ederson, you don't care about it,

[2:11:20] » you know, the seniors and stuff." I said, "Those seniors pay a lot of tax

[2:11:23] your tax dollars, but you're not going to give them any considerations."

[2:11:26] » Well, I think we just need to remember that with voting governor.

[2:11:29] » Yeah. And so she said, 'Well, she goes, "I'm just telling you what how I'm, you

[2:11:33] know, how I'm in view envisioning voting voting." And then she told me too, she

[2:11:38] said, 'Well, she says, 'You know, um, she said, we don't have money for

[2:11:41] everybody. I said, I get that. I really truly get that. But I said, this is a

[2:11:46] very vital part of our county and these people need socialization. They need

[2:11:51] somewhere to be. She said, "Well, you guys need to figure it out how to do it

[2:11:54] there in Effingham." And I was like, "What?" And she goes, "Well, you could

[2:11:58] get Martha to cook." I said, "Marth's in bad health anyhow. This is not Martha's

[2:12:02] problem. This is your problem. You know, this is your guys's problem. It's not up

[2:12:06] to Martha to save this." And I said, "I've gone to the council, city council,

[2:12:11] and asked if we could have bingo in the city council room once a week, once a

[2:12:14] week." And I said, you know, that was pretty much okay. I said, "But that's

[2:12:17] only one day a week." I said, "These people need this. It's a function that

[2:12:21] serves a very good purpose." >> Yeah. But, you know, I mean, just from

[2:12:26] what I'm hearing, Eric Null and James Campbell don't override her, it's going

[2:12:31] to be shut down. And it could also be shut down because if they said we don't

[2:12:34] get the full 225,000, we're shutting it down.

[2:12:38] » But they don't necessarily care about that, do you?

[2:12:41] » Oh, there's Well, and they she made a comment. There's two people on project

[2:12:44] concerns board that is making all these decision. That's Cat Kruzner and Jeff

[2:12:48] Sheetling. And she said she's had several members

[2:12:51] from both of those board from that board come to her and tell her it's only two

[2:12:55] people on that board that want that shut down. That's Jeff Bruce and I mean Jeff

[2:12:59] Sheily and Cat Bruce. So

[2:13:05] the people the seniors we told them about it because she called me she

[2:13:08] called Nancy Keats. She called Nancy and Harvey FY told them all the same.

[2:13:15] And I made the comment, Nancy said, she made the comment, well, if if they make

[2:13:19] if they make appropriations for Project Concern, but they don't make it to

[2:13:23] $125,000 and they shut this down, then the county should go in and pull all the

[2:13:27] money that they appropriated to

[2:13:36] » city of

[2:13:41] city. >> Yeah.

[2:13:42] » Yeah. So, >> there's a lot going on with that and I

[2:13:46] don't know where I don't know how it's going to fall out. I don't I don't

[2:13:50] personally I don't see it coming falling out very positively, but I'm hoping that

[2:13:55] Eric Nol and James Campbell kind of save it. I mean, I don't know.

[2:14:03] » That's where the status is on.

[2:14:12] So back to the month >> the 17th. Yes or no?

[2:14:17] » Yes. >> He says I guess

[2:14:22] » I can do 17

[2:14:28] » 100% no I don't have anything immediately that I can

[2:14:32] » tentively set up for the 17th. >> Make a motion we have a second meeting

[2:14:36] September 17th to assess city resolution issues.

[2:14:43] 530.

[2:14:49] » 5:30. >> All in favor?

[2:14:52] » I

[2:15:00] um the audit status 202 books that was um the letter

[2:15:07] of engagement. I signed that is Mr. Vney uh Christina uploaded whatever

[2:15:12] documentation they requested into whatever program they had. Um so that's

[2:15:16] there. They will also the 24 audits as soon as

[2:15:20] those are completed. >> So it's the status of that.

[2:15:24] » Thank you for reaching out to them. >> Yes. Thank you very much.

[2:15:28] » Back up.

[2:15:33] the land deed for debolts that uh sent these out today. It's the next two resol

[2:15:41] resolution number 12505 and the joints tenency quits a claim.

[2:15:51] » And I I understood that you wanted to transfer that's without consideration at

[2:15:55] least that aren't paying anything for the land. just getting rid of it so we

[2:16:00] don't have any more responsibility for the last. So

[2:16:06] » that's I think it was my understanding that's what should have happened.

[2:16:09] » Yeah. >> And before us

[2:16:13] » I I wasn't around when that was discussed. I don't know what the

[2:16:17] discussion was. I don't know whether I suppose you could have offered it for

[2:16:22] sealed bids to see if the other land owner wanted it. I'm not criticizing

[2:16:27] what she that decision at all. Um but that's what I understood was the

[2:16:32] decision. I so the the reason there are two documents prepared is the canvas

[2:16:38] title standards require that the fact that the de was approved by the council

[2:16:45] being available for somebody to review. And the easiest way to do that is to put

[2:16:50] it in a resolution. uh makes it makes it much easier to find than just having it

[2:16:56] in the minutes of your meeting. Also, I forgot to put a two-inch margin on the

[2:17:02] first page. So, if it is adopted, if you stick around 10 minutes after the

[2:17:08] meeting, so we can add a few huddle space to the front of the first page.

[2:17:13] » There's another correction on joint tendency. You say Adam J. Devolt and

[2:17:18] Haley MD husband. Oh, no. It says in your h has down here below it says

[2:17:23] husband as wife instead of and wife. >> Oh it does

[2:17:27] » second paragraph down. >> That's just kind of

[2:17:30] » I will need to make that that.

[2:17:36] » So we just need a motion to adopt this resolution

[2:17:41] and the joint teny. >> Yes.

[2:17:47] I make the motion we adopt the resolution of the city of Becky hands

[2:17:51] authorizing the conveyance of certain real estate to Adam Jolt and Haley and

[2:17:56] Bolt as well as the joint Tennessee Tennessee claim D.

[2:18:11] I'll in favor

[2:18:23] next one is I did more digging for QuickBooks

[2:18:30] and I got more answers. Um,

[2:18:35] so he was able to provide me with a quote

[2:18:39] with the discount. Once they renew the tax, then it'll be $34560

[2:18:46] per month. Per my bad. Yeah, per month. Which is

[2:18:54] 4,000.

[2:18:59] It's less than G Works per year >> and that gives you the both computers

[2:19:05] access the same documents. >> Yes, this is with the cloud hosting.

[2:19:10] » Okay. Okay. >> The only thing this one does not give us

[2:19:14] is it does not give us a a timekeeping. That one is strictly the diamond which

[2:19:22] is $5,364 a year.

[2:19:26] » So just a little bit more.

[2:19:30] more than

[2:19:34] » 4,000.

[2:19:38] » That's not what we're quoted. >> Oh, no, no, no. The diamond is more than

[2:19:41] So, >> no, that's not what we're quoted.

[2:19:43] » Yeah, what we're quoted is because that is the two users and the

[2:19:50] cloud access. So, does Diamond come up with cloud access in two years?

[2:19:56] » With with with just one person on a computer,

[2:20:01] Diamond is $5,364 a year.

[2:20:04] » So, you still have to add that extra stuff on.

[2:20:07] » Okay. >> So, um I looked into Redline

[2:20:15] and Thorough Red. I reached out to the different cities through the CCMF8

[2:20:22] group and the consensus was thorough red has terrible customer service.

[2:20:30] Like they will insult you over the phone.

[2:20:35] Yes. Um Redline is a $1,000 starting. So the first year

[2:20:45] I think is $1,000 and then every year after that is $600.

[2:20:53] So if we do quick books at the 4,600 you said

[2:20:59] » 4,100 345 * 12 is 41 >> $4391

[2:21:06] 64 >> 365.97

[2:21:09] » No no no we got the tax off >> 4150.

[2:21:15] So at the 4150 plus the $600 a year

[2:21:22] uh 4750 >> then

[2:21:26] it's less than G works with both of those

[2:21:30] » G works on a monthly basis pay by year I'm going to say 5,400 per

[2:21:36] year roughly around there 5,200 5,0004

[2:21:43] So we're less money. We still need to find a time clock.

[2:21:53] » So it does do payroll where we can type in time sheets, things like that. But to

[2:21:59] have a clock in clock out, that is just an idea.

[2:22:04] » Can we upgrade at any given time? Okay. If we wanted to start at platinum,

[2:22:09] but then we want to go to diamond to get the time keeping thing, can we upgrade?

[2:22:13] » Um, I didn't ask that, but

[2:22:18] I'm sure it'd be easier then just I don't know. Okay. So,

[2:22:26] it might be more money to pay for QuickBooks diamond, but to have

[2:22:31] everything in one program would be more efficient and effective in

[2:22:36] the long run to get flat access. >> It would be another purchase though.

[2:22:42] So, >> what do you get from is it just the

[2:22:45] clock that you get extra from diamond? So you get uh also advanced inventory,

[2:22:51] advanced pricing, bill workflow approvals, intercomp transactions.

[2:22:57] There's a lot of addons as well as time elite. I did ask if we could just add on

[2:23:05] time elites >> and he said no that these are like

[2:23:13] » how much was ADP? You remember Katie?

[2:23:19] You know what? I was just thinking if everything was in one system.

[2:23:23] » Well, I know I hear you. >> You know,

[2:23:26] how much money, how much more would it really be by the time you added another?

[2:23:31] » Well, what's the difference there between the two?

[2:23:34] » So, the difference between gold nothing is 2210.

[2:23:39] » 2210 and diamond nothing is 5364. enough for one user.

[2:23:46] » That's one user. >> So, we take the whatever we have minus

[2:23:50] the 2210. We need to figure that out. >> No cloud.

[2:23:57] » That would be a separate purchase. >> Yeah.

[2:24:02] » So, like 131 a month. Would that you think

[2:24:07] would be the same? >> I believe so. Yes. The 131

[2:24:47] It's about $2,000 you order to get the cloud. And is that what you

[2:24:53] guys already get? The extra user is an extra about

[2:25:00] $1,000. >> So the extra cloud

[2:25:02] » and the cloud is 131 20 per month.

[2:25:07] » What is the extra user?

[2:25:13] So >> like the what's what does it cost for an

[2:25:16] extra user? >> I

[2:25:19] I believe so just looking at what it costs per year and then adding a second

[2:25:25] user it looks like it adds about $1,000.

[2:25:31] » It looks like it's about >> How much How much is the yearly?

[2:25:37] » So the yearly is 2210. per month for two users is 260 minutes.

[2:26:00] I think it's going to be at least $2,000 more than what the diamond price is

[2:26:05] right there. So that 563 is probably going to be

[2:26:09] close to 7 and a half 7,500 is my estimation if everything stays the

[2:26:17] same. >> Yes.

[2:26:18] » So Adam, could you get uh a bid the same thing but in a diamond version

[2:26:26] » and then maybe next week we can >> we got to make a decision next time. Um,

[2:26:30] would it also be worth asking in your email group other little communities

[2:26:37] what they use for a time keeping option and then, you know, pick three of them

[2:26:43] and maybe get some cost some prices for us for next week?

[2:26:52] » Yep.

[2:27:06] Okay. >> Uh, do we have a start? Well, no, we

[2:27:10] don't have a start date because we don't Oh, another thing I was going to ask

[2:27:12] you. >> I noticed that on

[2:27:16] George Street there was like a building that was pulled in

[2:27:20] next to that house that had the >> Mr. D.

[2:27:22] » Yeah. Did they Is that illegal? What building

[2:27:28] » a mill like looks like a mill. You know where the rock the little rock area is

[2:27:34] right over here on this where they got where it got dug.

[2:27:37] » Yeah. Utility pages. >> Yeah. There's a little Yes.

[2:27:41] » And so I don't know if that's even a legal area because it looks like they

[2:27:44] just pulled it in the alley and I don't know if that's

[2:27:46] » I think it's in the driveway. >> But is it? I don't know.

[2:27:52] I think I mean >> because it's like they pull in here for

[2:27:54] the driveway and then it's over here. But maybe I'm looking at it,

[2:27:59] » but they also >> I don't know. But they also there also

[2:28:04] is a like they have to pay for a building

[2:28:08] » at the very least. >> I don't know if they challenge.

[2:28:14] » So I don't I don't know if it's even I don't even know if Buzz ever got a

[2:28:18] building permit for his tiny house. What's happening?

[2:28:23] » Just something that sitting

[2:28:27] there

[2:28:31] » another Buzz project that didn't get left.

[2:28:33] » Does he live? Does he live there? >> No.

[2:28:36] » He's still living in his house.

[2:28:42] » But was the plan for that for somebody to live

[2:28:44] » him and his wife?

[2:28:50] He was going to live there and he was going to sell his house out there in the

[2:28:52] country to us.

[2:29:04] » The next sheet I have for you guys are the taxes. So, last time we looked, it

[2:29:11] was just beginning. we were just beginning to see those

[2:29:17] taxes come back and uh everything like that. But here you can see like

[2:29:26] uh August

[2:29:30] grand total was $9,6114

[2:29:36] where last year August was 3,004

[2:29:44] $200 and some so it's doubled in August the amount of tax the received back

[2:29:58] » the third sheet. >> Oh, there's a third sheet.

[2:30:01] » Sorry, there was,600. >> Okay.

[2:30:04] » And then this sheet is for 25. So from 24 the August month. So 14143

[2:30:14] plus 3,74,000

[2:30:17] » and that's my one person sales tax increase.

[2:30:20] » So When we

[2:30:24] April >> April. Yes.

[2:30:25] » Of this year. >> Yes.

[2:30:28] » Awesome. >> Yeah.

[2:30:30] Awesome.

[2:30:34] » So, I haven't done the maths yet to see how much more it is from last year. I'm

[2:30:40] waiting till like October, December. I don't know.

[2:30:46] » Oh, thank you for that. I have to split. Is there anything?

[2:30:54] » Who's famous?

[2:30:58] » Um, famous. Oh, it's supposed to be famous goods. I missed

[2:31:04] » Sorry. Fun name. >> We have a fun name.

[2:31:10] » Is that this place? >> Yes, it is.

[2:31:13] » They uh turned in their CNB uh request for a license.

[2:31:20] So, now I I can't remember. Do we do it just

[2:31:27] till the end of the year or do we do it for a year?

[2:31:31] » I think it's till the end of year. >> The end of year

[2:31:33] » because it seems like they have to January they have a new one. That's what

[2:31:37] I thought.

[2:31:40] » Yes. >> How much would they be charges for it?

[2:31:45] We have to pay $25 to the states. We charge $50.

[2:31:53] » Like, do we rate that? >> Do you want to sell here or not?

[2:31:59] » I wouldn't. Do they want to sell here or not?

[2:32:01] » I wouldn't prorate it. >> So, the state's not going to rate it.

[2:32:05] So, >> nope.

[2:32:09] » It's going to tell you 25 to 25. >> Change.

[2:32:14] » Yeah. the top like

[2:32:23] » they still got the farmer's table. >> Yep. I think that was probably

[2:32:30] » Are the prices What are the prices? >> I believe they've got to be honest. I

[2:32:35] only go in there by shoe and the occasional pop.

[2:32:40] » I go to that expensive for

[2:32:44] Well, I don't buy that. >> It's up to you.

[2:32:46] » Go to Go to the casino. >> Go to Golden Eagle.

[2:32:51] » Go to Golden Eagle. My husband shoes. Golden Eagle is about $15

[2:32:58] roll. Cheaper than Ziggler. >> I don't know. I don't know if that pays

[2:33:01] for the gas compared to Dash. >> We'll get the gas every day.

[2:33:05] » Get the gas.

[2:33:08] » Get your gas up there cheaper than >> Are they going to have some fried food?

[2:33:13] They got food >> street.

[2:33:15] » Yeah, they reopen. They've got the s open

[2:33:22] order pizza and everything, >> but like there's a big fryer back there

[2:33:26] and I feel like they the maybe somebody said that they're going to have like

[2:33:30] fried chicken.

[2:33:34] » There's a big fryer. >> I don't know.

[2:33:38] » Are we ready to adjourn? Are we approving their liquor license

[2:33:44] serial malt beverage? >> I make approveds

[2:33:48] LLC serial malt beverage.

[2:33:53] » All in favor? Any

[2:33:56] » oppos? Make a motion we

[2:34:00] second. All in >> favor.

[2:34:20] Oh, thank you.

September 10, 2025 regular council meeting

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