[0:00] Two. Three. Four. Five.

[5:02] Good afternoon everyone. It's Tuesday,

[5:04] August 5th at 4:30 and we'll call this

[5:07] meeting over uh to the Pastor Robel City

[5:09] Council and we'll begin with roll call

[5:13] please.

[5:14] >> Council member Bosch

[5:15] » Council member Bosch

[5:15] >> here.

[5:16] » here.

[5:16] >> Council member Beal

[5:17] » Council member Beal

[5:17] >> here. Council member Gregory

[5:18] » here. Council member Gregory

[5:18] >> here.

[5:18] » here.

[5:18] >> Council member Strong

[5:19] » Council member Strong

[5:20] >> present.

[5:20] » present.

[5:20] >> Mayor Hammond

[5:21] » Mayor Hammond

[5:21] >> here.

[5:22] » here.

[5:22] and we have uh close session items to be

[5:26] uh discussed and reported. Um

[5:29] we'll let our legal counsel Elizabeth

[5:31] Hull do that for us.

[5:32] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going

[5:34] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going

[5:34] into close session on a couple of items

[5:36] this evening. The first is conference

[5:38] with legal counsel regarding existing

[5:40] litigation. That's pursuant to

[5:42] government code section 54956.9D1

[5:46] and the case is John Borst versus the

[5:48] city of El Paso de Robis. Um and then

[5:51] there is a second conference with legal

[5:53] counsel regarding existing litigation

[5:56] pursuant to the same government code

[5:58] section 549 56.9D1

[6:02] that is also John Borst versus the city

[6:04] of El Paso de Roles. They are two uh

[6:08] different complaints that have been

[6:09] filed. Um the third item is conference

[6:13] with legal counsel regarding existing

[6:16] litigation pursuant to the same section

[6:18] government code section 54956.91

[6:22] and the cases are the tribune versus the

[6:24] city of pasarobels and Chris Bosch Chris

[6:27] Bosch versus the city of pasarobels as a

[6:29] cross complaint and the city of

[6:30] pasarobels versus Chris Bow as a cross

[6:33] complaint.

[6:35] >> Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open

[6:37] » Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open

[6:37] up public comment to these uh items

[6:40] regarding uh close session items

[6:42] tonight. Anyone in the public? I see

[6:44] none. Anyone online?

[6:45] >> No, sir.

[6:46] » No, sir.

[6:46] >> Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to

[6:48] » Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to

[6:48] close session and we'll reconvene at 6

[6:50] Yeah.

[1:35:56] Good evening everyone for the pastor

[1:35:57] Robels City Council meeting for Tuesday

[1:35:59] August 5th. We are reconvening from

[1:36:01] close session. Uh we'll go ahead and

[1:36:03] begin our uh session here with the

[1:36:06] pledge of allegiance led by Councilman

[1:36:07] Strong and remain standing for the

[1:36:09] invocation for Pastor Sarah Kate Durren

[1:36:11] of the Revival Center. Red.

[1:36:14] >> As we renew our commitment to this great

[1:36:16] » As we renew our commitment to this great

[1:36:16] nation, please with me. I pledge

[1:36:19] allegiance to the flag of the United

[1:36:21] States of America and to the republic

[1:36:24] for which it stands, one nation under

[1:36:28] God, indivisible, with liberty and

[1:36:31] justice for all.

[1:36:33] >> Remain standing for prayer.

[1:36:35] » Remain standing for prayer.

[1:36:35] >> Heavenly Father, we come to you in the

[1:36:37] » Heavenly Father, we come to you in the

[1:36:37] mighty name of Jesus. Lord, we thank you

[1:36:39] for your grace and your mercy upon us.

[1:36:42] We don't deserve your attention, but

[1:36:44] we're so grateful that you hear our

[1:36:46] prayer. We come to you in faith.

[1:36:48] I thank you right now for our city of

[1:36:49] Pasroas. Thank you for the continued

[1:36:52] divine protection you have over our city

[1:36:54] and ask that you continue to have mercy

[1:36:56] over us and send us protection.

[1:36:59] Lord, may the words of our mouth and

[1:37:01] meditation of our hearts be acceptable

[1:37:02] in your sight tonight. May the leaders

[1:37:04] and the citizens of Pas

[1:37:07] have wise discussions, make good

[1:37:09] decisions to benefit everyone.

[1:37:13] Be glorified in this meeting. And we ask

[1:37:14] this in the name that's above every

[1:37:16] name, Jesus. Amen.

[1:37:18] >> Amen.

[1:37:18] » Amen.

[1:37:18] >> Amen.

[1:37:19] » Amen.

[1:37:19] >> Thank you, Pastor Durant.

[1:37:24] » Madame Clerk, would you call the roll

[1:37:26] call, please?

[1:37:28] >> Council member Bosch

[1:37:29] » Council member Bosch

[1:37:29] >> here.

[1:37:29] » here.

[1:37:29] >> Council member Beiel

[1:37:30] » Council member Beiel

[1:37:30] >> here. Council member Gregory

[1:37:32] » here. Council member Gregory

[1:37:32] >> here.

[1:37:32] » here.

[1:37:32] >> Council member Strong

[1:37:33] » Council member Strong

[1:37:33] >> here.

[1:37:34] » here.

[1:37:34] >> Mayor Hammond

[1:37:34] » Mayor Hammond

[1:37:34] >> here. Staff introductions begin on my

[1:37:37] » here. Staff introductions begin on my

[1:37:37] right.

[1:37:38] >> Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city

[1:37:40] » Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city

[1:37:40] clerk, joined by Mary Swanhaltz, deputy

[1:37:42] city clerk. and Karen Jackson, IT

[1:37:45] technician.

[1:37:47] >> Warren Fras, community development

[1:37:48] » Warren Fras, community development

[1:37:48] director.

[1:37:50] >> Leslie Frasier, city

[1:37:53] » Leslie Frasier, city

[1:37:53] >> Melissa Bailey, city liber

[1:38:09] administrative services director. David,

[1:38:12] police chief.

[1:38:26] Chris Huat, city manager.

[1:38:28] >> Elizabeth Hall, city attorney.

[1:38:29] » Elizabeth Hall, city attorney.

[1:38:29] >> All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U

[1:38:34] » All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U

[1:38:34] report out from close session. I'll let

[1:38:36] legal counsel Elizabeth Hall let

[1:38:38] everybody know what we've talked about.

[1:38:39] >> Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the

[1:38:41] » Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the

[1:38:41] council went into close session on a

[1:38:43] number of items. The first is conference

[1:38:45] with legal counsel regarding existing

[1:38:46] litigation pursuant to government code

[1:38:48] section 54956.91.

[1:38:51] Name of the case is John Borst versus

[1:38:53] the city. Uh the case number in that

[1:38:55] case is 23 CVP-0156.

[1:39:00] Uh and there was no reportable action.

[1:39:02] The second item is conference with legal

[1:39:04] council existing litigation pursuant to

[1:39:07] government code section 54956.9D1.

[1:39:10] Also um the name of that case is also

[1:39:13] John Boris versus City of Pasari Robels.

[1:39:15] The case number in that case is 25

[1:39:18] CVP0159

[1:39:20] and there's no reportable action. And

[1:39:22] then finally there was conference with

[1:39:24] legal counsel regarding existing

[1:39:26] litigation. Again pursuant to government

[1:39:29] code section 54956.91

[1:39:32] and the name of the case is the tribune

[1:39:34] versus the city of Pasarobels and Chris

[1:39:36] Bosch. Chris Bosch versus the city of

[1:39:38] Pasa Robels as a cross complaint and the

[1:39:40] city of Pasari Robels versus Chris Bosch

[1:39:42] as a cross complaint and there was no

[1:39:44] reportable action.

[1:39:45] >> Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh

[1:39:49] » Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh

[1:39:49] we have presentations. We have two

[1:39:50] tonight. The first one's going to be

[1:39:52] capital projects uh report by Adidas

[1:39:55] Esparonza.

[1:40:05] Good evening, mayor, members of the city

[1:40:07] council, and the audience that's present

[1:40:09] here tonight. This is our once a month

[1:40:12] uh public works capital projects update.

[1:40:15] We haven't had one for quite some time.

[1:40:17] So, and we've done a lot of projects.

[1:40:19] So, I'm going to u giving you uh just

[1:40:22] give you a catch up on all the things

[1:40:24] that we've done today.

[1:40:26] So to first of all is to let you know of

[1:40:29] the projects that are in progress.

[1:40:32] Here's a list of them and I'll try to

[1:40:35] give a a quick highlight on each of

[1:40:37] those.

[1:40:39] And here's some more.

[1:40:42] So the first one is the Sherwood

[1:40:44] Sherwood water manes. This is the

[1:40:46] Sherwood neighborhood just east of

[1:40:48] Preston and south of Niblick Road next

[1:40:51] to the south of the uh fire station out

[1:40:53] there. If you recall, the need for this

[1:40:56] project was to upgrade all the the

[1:40:58] deteriorated water manes and broken

[1:41:01] water services so that we can repair the

[1:41:04] roads in that neighborhood. So the the

[1:41:08] water line is almost complete. So we

[1:41:10] will follow the follow that up with the

[1:41:13] neighborhood road repairs again paid

[1:41:15] with measure E12.

[1:41:18] The Crestston Road Corridor phase one

[1:41:20] has been in construction since August of

[1:41:23] 2024. We're getting down to the end. The

[1:41:27] pavement, the first lift of pavement has

[1:41:29] been placed and the signal poles are

[1:41:31] currently in construction. The signal

[1:41:33] pole is at Walnut Bolan and

[1:41:37] Bolan and Crestston of course. And so

[1:41:39] the tempor striping there looks

[1:41:42] permanent. It is not permanent. It's

[1:41:44] temporary. uh instead of putting

[1:41:46] floppies, which is normally what the

[1:41:49] contractor would do prior to final

[1:41:51] paving, it became evident that because

[1:41:53] the road is so wide and so long, people

[1:41:55] would be confused as to where to drive.

[1:41:58] So, it was safer to put temporary

[1:42:00] striping in, but they just sort of put

[1:42:03] it in there and uh didn't really go

[1:42:05] through the whole design analysis, just

[1:42:07] they just figured we'll try to just keep

[1:42:10] it safe. So, let everybody know that is

[1:42:12] temporary. And as in fact the second

[1:42:14] level and final level of surface repair

[1:42:17] started last Friday and we will do uh

[1:42:20] the final repair in the next week or so.

[1:42:25] The um tower road sorry the training

[1:42:30] facility tower at fire station on Union

[1:42:33] Road is complete. the before picture

[1:42:35] with all the rebars getting ready and

[1:42:37] then the after picture with the concrete

[1:42:40] pad and the asphalt driveway next to it.

[1:42:43] We are in in progress in getting the

[1:42:46] equipment. It it's a Lego like structure

[1:42:49] that they will deliver on site and build

[1:42:52] it for the actual training tower

[1:42:55] and that is paid for by measure J20.

[1:43:00] Next that we have is the Sherwood Park

[1:43:03] upgrade which happens to include a

[1:43:05] pickle ball court. You can see that uh

[1:43:08] the grading at the we're grading the

[1:43:10] parking lot that will add parking spaces

[1:43:13] for Sherwood Park and the pickle ball

[1:43:16] courts are in progress. The asphalt has

[1:43:18] been placed. We're getting ready to put

[1:43:20] the fence and the lights for the actual

[1:43:23] court.

[1:43:27] We now and then this one is the Flamson

[1:43:29] pedestrian improvements in front of um

[1:43:34] well I think it's still called Flamson

[1:43:36] Flamson School or maybe it's not

[1:43:39] anymore. I I forget but anyway it's the

[1:43:42] junior high.

[1:43:44] So, here's north of 24th and here's the

[1:43:47] curb ramps at Oak Street in in progress.

[1:43:51] And included with the with curb ramp and

[1:43:54] sidewalk, we will be putting a

[1:43:55] pedestrian push button activated

[1:43:58] pedestrian activated push button to help

[1:44:01] kids cross the street safely. Again, a

[1:44:04] reminder, this was a slowcog safe route

[1:44:07] to school grant as well as a safe uh a

[1:44:10] slowcog community betterment grant.

[1:44:16] The 12th Street parking lot is under uh

[1:44:20] construction. This is on 12 and

[1:44:22] railroad. They're starting with a

[1:44:23] retaining wall along 12th Street. In in

[1:44:27] addition to the 12th Street parking lot,

[1:44:29] we're also doing the Marvs, the one next

[1:44:30] to Marv's Pizza. So that's going to come

[1:44:33] along after the 12th Street parking lot

[1:44:35] is completed. Uh funding for this

[1:44:38] project is from the toot um grant um

[1:44:43] sales tax stacks that we receive.

[1:44:47] We also have our annual street pavement

[1:44:50] pavement restriping program. Uh those

[1:44:53] are the list list of the streets that we

[1:44:55] accomplished this year. This is paid for

[1:44:57] by gas tax.

[1:45:01] We also have a whole um lot of

[1:45:04] neighborhood streets. We completed the

[1:45:06] Sleepy Hollow, Cathedral Canyon,

[1:45:08] Rosemary, Julie, and then in addition to

[1:45:11] that, we repaired a portion of the

[1:45:14] asphalt trail next to Charlay. And this

[1:45:17] is again was measure I24 funded.

[1:45:23] So now I'm going to take you to our

[1:45:25] upcoming projects.

[1:45:28] We have a list of them. uh they're all

[1:45:30] at various stages, but for now I'm going

[1:45:33] to just concentrate on my report for

[1:45:36] Crest Road phase 2. Now that phase one

[1:45:39] is complete, we were we are beginning we

[1:45:41] are going to begin the Chris Crest Road

[1:45:44] phase two. We're just about done with

[1:45:46] the project and um we want the community

[1:45:49] to rest a little bit and enjoy phase one

[1:45:52] before we start doing the phase two

[1:45:55] which is going to be quite challenging.

[1:45:58] I'd like to add because of the traffic

[1:46:01] control and what's going to happen

[1:46:03] there. Unlike the roundabout at Golden

[1:46:06] Hill and Union Road, we were able to

[1:46:08] close that intersection and really

[1:46:10] concentrate in getting it done. So

[1:46:13] essentially, it was one-stage

[1:46:15] construction. Once people got used to

[1:46:17] the closure, even though they didn't

[1:46:19] like it, once they got used to it, they

[1:46:22] figured out, okay, I can do it now

[1:46:24] until, of course, when we started

[1:46:25] paving. But it took about 9 months

[1:46:28] before we had to change the staging. But

[1:46:31] for them, it was like they got used to

[1:46:32] the closure. They got used to the detour

[1:46:35] and we were done. Unfortunately, that

[1:46:37] cannot happen with the rolling hills and

[1:46:40] um crest roundabout. You can see the

[1:46:43] black line. It's a little bit skewed,

[1:46:45] but there are numerous

[1:46:48] drain lines and pipelines that going to

[1:46:50] have to be going under that roundabout.

[1:46:53] We can't close the road obviously

[1:46:55] because we have to keep traffic moving.

[1:46:58] We have prepared a what's called a seven

[1:47:01] stage construction to do this project.

[1:47:05] So just about when the community is kind

[1:47:08] of used to stage one unfortunately once

[1:47:11] we're done we will have to switch to

[1:47:12] stage two and three and four and five

[1:47:15] and six and seven. So patience is

[1:47:19] something we would really appreciate

[1:47:21] when we go into construction.

[1:47:23] So to do that to facilitate and help out

[1:47:26] with the staging construction is we will

[1:47:29] be closing rolling hills and so people

[1:47:31] will not be able to use rolling hills

[1:47:34] coming from Golden Hill and but the main

[1:47:38] road of Crestston will remain open at

[1:47:40] all times albeit it'll be staged and at

[1:47:43] different times of construction they

[1:47:45] might be going this way or going this

[1:47:47] way but there'll be um places there the

[1:47:50] contractor will be uh directing people

[1:47:52] on how to go there. The other thing that

[1:47:55] I get a lot of questions on is why did

[1:47:57] we not do improvements in front of the

[1:48:00] Nick's barber shop. I show that on the

[1:48:02] left there. Um so we don't have rightway

[1:48:06] for those two properties next to Nick's

[1:48:09] Barberhop. During phase one design, we

[1:48:12] tried to get them to give us property,

[1:48:14] but it's very uh it's very steep. And

[1:48:18] yes, if if we did if we did install

[1:48:20] driveways for them, basically they would

[1:48:23] have to give us public rideway that

[1:48:24] pretty much goes right next to their

[1:48:26] buildings. And so, of course, they

[1:48:28] didn't want to offer that. And so, we

[1:48:31] did not do those consu uh sidewalks and

[1:48:34] to have to leave it alone. And for phase

[1:48:37] two, we're trying to see if we can still

[1:48:39] do it. Um I'm not getting much luck, so

[1:48:43] we don't know for sure if it's going to

[1:48:45] happen, but we're trying. But uh it it

[1:48:49] it may not happen. What we'll we'll see.

[1:48:52] That's it for my presentation. And

[1:48:55] finally, I have in the table over there,

[1:48:58] we do have an upcoming workshop next

[1:49:01] Wednesday for the Niblick Road corridor

[1:49:04] improvements. The we the city received a

[1:49:07] grant a grant to enhance Niblick Road.

[1:49:10] The grant is specific to providing a

[1:49:13] multi-purpose path for bike and

[1:49:15] pedestrian safety on the north side of

[1:49:18] Niplick. And then we're taking advantage

[1:49:20] of that and putting some other

[1:49:22] enhancements along the corridor to uh

[1:49:25] create a uh um a wow for Nivelick Road

[1:49:30] and to make pedestrians uh traffic safe.

[1:49:33] >> That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30

[1:49:37] » That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30

[1:49:37] here 5:30 to 8

[1:49:39] >> and it's an open house. We'll have

[1:49:41] » and it's an open house. We'll have

[1:49:41] drawings of the enhancements proposed

[1:49:43] and people can look at it and provide

[1:49:46] written comments

[1:49:48] >> or verbal as well. That concludes my

[1:49:51] » or verbal as well. That concludes my

[1:49:51] presentation and I'll be happy to answer

[1:49:53] any more questions.

[1:49:54] >> All right. Thank you. Questions?

[1:49:56] » All right. Thank you. Questions?

[1:49:56] >> Quick quick question. Thank you so much.

[1:49:58] » Quick quick question. Thank you so much.

[1:49:58] um if you know we get the the weekly

[1:50:01] updates on the projects and it's so

[1:50:03] helpful to know you know what's going on

[1:50:05] what's coming up and if somebody in the

[1:50:07] public wants to get those or find them

[1:50:10] how would they find them

[1:50:13] I think they're issued every week via

[1:50:15] the CMO update that are the city manager

[1:50:18] issues

[1:50:21] >> um the I know the individual project

[1:50:23] » um the I know the individual project

[1:50:23] reports go out to the media u we can

[1:50:26] look to get those up on the website as

[1:50:27] well Great. Thank you.

[1:50:30] >> Chris B

[1:50:33] » Chris B

[1:50:33] is um just the last couple uh days I've

[1:50:36] had the opportunity to drive eastbound

[1:50:38] on Crestston uh late in the afternoon

[1:50:43] and it's single lane striping that's

[1:50:45] going to be temporary permanent traffic

[1:50:48] is backed all the way up to um like

[1:50:51] Orchard. It's it's the the westbound

[1:50:54] traffic is is backed up. I'm not I'm I'm

[1:50:58] assuming you're aware of that, but just

[1:51:00] in case you're not, um, anything we can

[1:51:03] do to to mitigate that? I've never seen

[1:51:05] it.

[1:51:05] >> Um, I in previous

[1:51:08] » Um, I in previous

[1:51:08] staff uh council reports, I've shown you

[1:51:11] the cross-section,

[1:51:13] >> right,

[1:51:13] » right,

[1:51:13] >> that was approved by the city council.

[1:51:15] » that was approved by the city council.

[1:51:15] So, it will be striped for that

[1:51:18] cross-section.

[1:51:19] >> So, these single lanes are just

[1:51:20] » So, these single lanes are just

[1:51:20] temporary.

[1:51:21] >> There's the single lanes are just

[1:51:23] » There's the single lanes are just

[1:51:23] temporary.

[1:51:24] um

[1:51:25] >> till they put the final overlay of

[1:51:27] » till they put the final overlay of

[1:51:27] asphalt down and then stripe it

[1:51:29] correctly and put the crosswalks in.

[1:51:32] >> I hope it's not going to be I hope it's

[1:51:34] » I hope it's not going to be I hope it's

[1:51:34] not going to be a single lane from

[1:51:36] Orchard down to to River. That would be

[1:51:38] >> You mean single lanes both ways?

[1:51:40] » You mean single lanes both ways?

[1:51:40] >> Yes,

[1:51:41] » Yes,

[1:51:41] >> there are areas where there was room for

[1:51:43] » there are areas where there was room for

[1:51:43] two lanes, but I think there's also some

[1:51:46] areas that was going to be single lane.

[1:51:48] Again, it's the cross whatever the

[1:51:50] cross-section was that was adopted by

[1:51:52] the city council in February 2020.

[1:51:54] Right.

[1:51:55] >> That is what is being strike.

[1:51:57] » That is what is being strike.

[1:51:57] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:51:59] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:51:59] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:52:01] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:52:01] >> Mhm.

[1:52:02] » Mhm.

[1:52:02] >> Uh next presentation we have tonight on

[1:52:04] » Uh next presentation we have tonight on

[1:52:04] the agenda is the um

[1:52:09] where to go

[1:52:12] Central Coast Community Energy C3A

[1:52:14] annual report. Welcome. And you are

[1:52:17] Spencer.

[1:52:19] >> Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council

[1:52:20] » Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council

[1:52:20] members. My name is Spencer Brandt. I'm

[1:52:22] the community relations manager for

[1:52:24] Central Coast Community Energy for the

[1:52:26] southern portion of our region. Here to

[1:52:28] give an annual update.

[1:52:32] As some background, 3CE is a public

[1:52:34] agency and we source electricity for

[1:52:37] communities all along the central coast.

[1:52:39] We work in partnership with PG&E who

[1:52:42] continue to manage the transmission and

[1:52:44] distribution of that electricity. So

[1:52:46] while they continue to maintain the

[1:52:48] lines and the infrastructure, Central

[1:52:50] Coast Community Energy purchases

[1:52:52] electricity from generation projects

[1:52:54] like wind, solar, and geothermal.

[1:52:58] Uh this past January, the city of

[1:53:00] Atascadero along with the county of San

[1:53:02] Lucabispo became our newest member

[1:53:04] agencies.

[1:53:07] In 2024, we delivered 409 megawatts of

[1:53:10] renewable electricity. That's enough to

[1:53:13] power more than 350,000 homes entirely

[1:53:16] from clean energy. Doing so, we are

[1:53:19] avoiding 445,000 metric tons of carbon

[1:53:22] emissions, which is the equivalent to

[1:53:24] taking over 105,000 gas powered cars off

[1:53:27] the road for a full year.

[1:53:32] 3CE is on a path to deliver 100% clean

[1:53:35] and renewable energy 10 to 15 years

[1:53:38] ahead of the state's goals. By October

[1:53:41] of 2028, renewable energy is projected

[1:53:43] to make up at least 64% of our

[1:53:46] electricity mix.

[1:53:51] This year, we've gotten a lot of

[1:53:52] questions about energy storage, and so I

[1:53:55] wanted to take some time to talk a

[1:53:56] little bit about that. Energy storage is

[1:53:59] essential for California's transition to

[1:54:01] carbon-f free electricity, and it's also

[1:54:04] critically important for customer

[1:54:06] affordability.

[1:54:08] Battery energy storage stores renewable

[1:54:11] energy during the day and then releases

[1:54:13] it when it's needed most in the evening.

[1:54:15] So, at a utility scale, this reduces our

[1:54:18] reliance on gas PA plants during evening

[1:54:21] hours. And for customers, home batteries

[1:54:24] can be a critical tool for resilience

[1:54:28] and allow customers to take greater

[1:54:30] control over home energy usage.

[1:54:33] To illustrate this, I want to take a

[1:54:35] look at what California's electricity

[1:54:38] mix looked like in September of 2022.

[1:54:42] This was Labor Day weekend, and you may

[1:54:44] remember it because it was real hot.

[1:54:46] This was a heat wave all across

[1:54:48] California and it prompted a flex alert

[1:54:50] which was a statewide call to reduce

[1:54:53] energy usage to avoid rolling blackouts.

[1:54:56] You may remember it because everyone got

[1:54:58] a text on their phone asking you to

[1:55:00] reduce energy usage. And this graph

[1:55:02] shows the mix during the day. So red is

[1:55:05] fossil fuels, green is renewables, and

[1:55:09] orange you see at the very bottom that's

[1:55:12] batteries charging. Then you'll see at

[1:55:14] the very top as we go further into the

[1:55:16] evening during peak hour batteries are

[1:55:19] deployed onto the grid. You can see how

[1:55:22] they represent a very small portion. Now

[1:55:25] let's look ahead two years.

[1:55:28] This was a similar heat wave during July

[1:55:30] 4th of last year. You'll see a couple

[1:55:33] things that are difference. There's more

[1:55:34] green. That's more renewable energy

[1:55:36] online. And the orange battery bar has

[1:55:39] more than tripled charging in the

[1:55:41] morning as they go below the line. and

[1:55:43] then deploying in the evening. So, I

[1:55:46] hope that this kind of illustrates just

[1:55:48] how the electricity mix changes

[1:55:50] throughout the day and how usage

[1:55:51] patterns for our customers are different

[1:55:53] throughout the day.

[1:55:57] We've also received questions from

[1:55:58] community members about the safety of

[1:56:00] battery energy storage systems. So, I

[1:56:02] want to highlight a couple key facts.

[1:56:04] Central Coast Community Energy doesn't

[1:56:06] have any power purchase agreements with

[1:56:09] uh indoor battery facilities. All of our

[1:56:12] battery storage projects uh must use

[1:56:15] containerized systems that are equipped

[1:56:16] with individual fire suppression units

[1:56:20] and meet the latest fire and building

[1:56:22] code standards. The safety data that you

[1:56:24] can see on this slide is also

[1:56:26] encouraging. At the same time that

[1:56:28] there's been a more than 25,000%

[1:56:31] increase in battery deployment, there's

[1:56:33] been a 98% drop in battery failures. Um

[1:56:38] 3CE is not the land use authority. That

[1:56:41] is our member agencies and it's

[1:56:42] ultimately your call. But we get a lot

[1:56:44] of questions about the utility of

[1:56:46] batteries and about their safety. So I

[1:56:48] appreciate you indulging me to provide

[1:56:50] some of this information.

[1:56:54] I want to share a little about some

[1:56:56] investments that we've made. Um one uh

[1:57:00] project that's coming online soon. The

[1:57:01] Willow Rock Energy Storage Center will

[1:57:03] use compressed air as a battery to power

[1:57:06] turbines on demand. This will be the

[1:57:08] largest compressed air energy storage

[1:57:10] project in the world once it's complete,

[1:57:12] providing 200 megawatts to our

[1:57:14] customers. Artina Solar is another very

[1:57:17] large solar and storage project and

[1:57:19] Atlas solar is projected to come online

[1:57:21] next year. Last year, Victory Pass Solar

[1:57:24] and Storage started delivering energy to

[1:57:26] our customers. Uh that was in May. These

[1:57:29] three projects represent enough energy

[1:57:31] to power 250,000 homes and businesses.

[1:57:38] Delivering energy is only part of 3CE's

[1:57:41] mission, though, and connecting with our

[1:57:42] communities is a critical component. In

[1:57:45] 2024, our outreach team sponsored

[1:57:48] events, hosted webinars, conducted

[1:57:50] workshops about our energy programs.

[1:57:52] We've partnered with community- based

[1:57:54] organizations, trade groups, chambers of

[1:57:57] commerce to educate the public about our

[1:57:59] offerings. And we've also enhanced our

[1:58:01] customer experience or customer service

[1:58:04] experience with a new hotline capable of

[1:58:06] providing assistance in over 150

[1:58:09] languages.

[1:58:13] A little about our energy programs.

[1:58:14] These help provide customers with tools

[1:58:16] to accelerate electrification and

[1:58:20] enhance renewability while putting money

[1:58:22] back in our constituents pockets. Our

[1:58:24] flagship program is Electrify Your Ride

[1:58:27] and it provides up to $4,000 for the

[1:58:29] purchase of a qualifying new or used

[1:58:32] electric vehicle. Additional programs

[1:58:35] cover the cost of electrifying home

[1:58:36] appliances like water heaters and

[1:58:39] installing a home battery as well as

[1:58:42] targeted programs for our agricultural

[1:58:44] sector for their equipment needs.

[1:58:47] We also have programs specifically in

[1:58:49] place for public agencies to cover the

[1:58:52] cost of replacing fleet vehicles

[1:58:54] including everything from light duty

[1:58:56] pool cars to heavier duty equipment like

[1:58:58] street sweepers. Sister programs include

[1:59:01] plan your fleet and charge your fleet

[1:59:03] which helps supplement the planning and

[1:59:05] infrastructure costs of electrification.

[1:59:08] Our electric bus program is often

[1:59:11] utilized by school districts and transit

[1:59:13] agencies and our reach codes program

[1:59:15] provides technical assistance for city

[1:59:17] staff as they develop energy efficiency

[1:59:20] standards.

[1:59:23] Since 2018, nearly 7,000 customers on

[1:59:26] the Central Coast have received these

[1:59:28] rebates. over $11 million back in our

[1:59:31] customers pockets. We're really proud of

[1:59:33] that.

[1:59:35] And here is a snapshot of how 3CE has

[1:59:39] invested in Pasari Robels through our

[1:59:41] rebates and incentives. We've also

[1:59:43] included stats from a benchmark

[1:59:45] jurisdiction so you can get an idea of

[1:59:47] how you measure up. One project that I

[1:59:49] would like to highlight uh that I'm

[1:59:51] super excited about is 3CE paid out

[1:59:54] $22,500

[1:59:56] to Habitat for Humanity St. in Losabispo

[1:59:58] County through our new construction

[2:00:00] electrification program for nine

[2:00:03] all-electric affordable single family

[2:00:05] homes at the Vine Street Passels

[2:00:07] project. More good news is that up to

[2:00:11] $300,000 is available each year for the

[2:00:14] city to cover the cost of installing

[2:00:17] electric vehicle chargers, purchasing

[2:00:19] electric vehicles, both light and heavy

[2:00:21] duty. Uh we also find that more and more

[2:00:24] cities are using DC fast chargers as a

[2:00:28] really important economic development

[2:00:30] tool to drive traffic to downtown and

[2:00:32] commercial areas.

[2:00:36] And finally, before I close, I want to

[2:00:38] share a legislative update. We've gotten

[2:00:40] a lot of questions about recent federal

[2:00:43] legislation HR1, otherwise known as the

[2:00:46] big beautiful bill. And I want to tell

[2:00:48] you about the effects it'll have for

[2:00:50] energy customers. First, it eliminates

[2:00:53] the individual tax credits for new and

[2:00:55] used electric vehicles after December

[2:00:58] 30th of this year. So that means that if

[2:01:00] customers are considering purchasing

[2:01:02] electric vehicle and utilizing our

[2:01:04] rebates, if they'd like to stack those

[2:01:06] rebates with the federal tax credit,

[2:01:08] they've got until September 30th to make

[2:01:11] that purchase. Uh we also um just as

[2:01:15] consequential to all of our customers is

[2:01:18] the elimination of the investment tax

[2:01:21] credit and production tax credit which

[2:01:23] is utilized by utility scale solar and

[2:01:26] wind projects. This means that fewer and

[2:01:29] fewer of those projects are going to

[2:01:31] make it across the finish line and

[2:01:32] actually be developed. And uh we are

[2:01:36] forecasting that in the medium to long

[2:01:38] run this is going to mean higher prices

[2:01:40] for energy for customers across the

[2:01:42] United States. To deal with this 3CE

[2:01:46] through our trade association CalCa is

[2:01:49] sponsoring state legislation the

[2:01:50] pathways initiative to allow us to buy

[2:01:53] and sell electricity with markets across

[2:01:56] the western United States. This is

[2:01:58] projected to save California nearly $800

[2:02:01] million. We also have forthcoming

[2:02:04] legislation about resource adequacy

[2:02:06] slice of day which I won't get into. Uh

[2:02:08] but the um main takeaway is it's another

[2:02:11] thing that will help our customers save

[2:02:13] money if it were implemented.

[2:02:15] And that's all that I have for you

[2:02:17] today. Thank you very much council. I'm

[2:02:19] happy to answer questions.

[2:02:20] >> Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr.

[2:02:22] » Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr.

[2:02:22] Brown on the left. Anyone on the right?

[2:02:24] >> I'm good.

[2:02:25] » I'm good.

[2:02:25] >> Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you

[2:02:26] » Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you

[2:02:26] for coming. Spencer.

[2:02:30] All

[2:02:32] right, moving on to general public

[2:02:33] comments. Uh, this is the time that the

[2:02:35] public may address the council on items

[2:02:37] within its uh purview, but not scheduled

[2:02:40] on tonight's agenda. Council or staff

[2:02:43] may briefly respond to statements or

[2:02:45] questions posed by the public. Uh,

[2:02:47] please fill out a speaker card and hand

[2:02:48] it to our uh, city clerk when you come

[2:02:50] up. You'll have three minutes to speak.

[2:02:52] Those people wishing to speak on any

[2:02:54] item scheduled on tonight's agenda will

[2:02:56] be given the opportunity to speak at the

[2:02:58] time the item is being considered. So

[2:03:00] we'll open up public comment.

[2:03:07] » Welcome Greg.

[2:03:08] >> Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg

[2:03:09] » Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg

[2:03:09] Greywell. I live in Crest and I am the

[2:03:12] authority on my ranch. Uh in front of

[2:03:15] you there's eight years of annual

[2:03:17] reports. There's

[2:03:20] 15 years of your urban water management

[2:03:23] plans and there's the water code. Last

[2:03:26] time I was here, I had a bunch of

[2:03:28] bobbleheads up there telling me I didn't

[2:03:30] know what I was talking about. I know

[2:03:32] most of you have never seen those

[2:03:33] documents, never read those documents,

[2:03:36] don't know what's in those documents.

[2:03:40] 3CE sounds like the Nazi pipeline.

[2:03:43] You guys spend over $4 million a year.

[2:03:47] You've been doing it for 18 years now

[2:03:49] for Nazi water. That's just principle

[2:03:52] and interest on that pipeline. You've

[2:03:54] already spent $72 million and you don't

[2:03:56] use the water. You got another 15 more

[2:03:59] years to pay for it. You have a capacity

[2:04:01] loss of over 3,900 acre feet in that

[2:04:05] pipeline.

[2:04:07] And those are all temporary repairs.

[2:04:08] You've had over six or seven repairs.

[2:04:11] And that money I just said has nothing

[2:04:12] to do with operation and maintenance

[2:04:14] repairs or anything else.

[2:04:18] The other day, uh, you guys decided here

[2:04:22] a while back you wanted to be part of

[2:04:23] the JPA.

[2:04:27] Four people voted for it. You spent

[2:04:29] almost 80 grand to lose. I think those

[2:04:33] four people need to kick in 20 grand a

[2:04:36] piece. But the moral thing is you got

[2:04:38] one long arm to practice you on the back

[2:04:40] and one short arm that can't reach in

[2:04:42] your own pocket. and you wanted to go

[2:04:44] after the citizens that live around you

[2:04:48] and and uh

[2:04:51] try to make them pay for your problem.

[2:04:55] You dump all of your waste water in the

[2:04:57] river and it's exported.

[2:04:59] You have no recyclable water from rain.

[2:05:03] You have no storm water capper. You just

[2:05:05] spent $500,000

[2:05:08] in six months on this JPA joke

[2:05:12] after you already lost in 2016.

[2:05:18] In those reports, it says by a certain

[2:05:21] date you're going to use all of your

[2:05:22] Nazi water. I got it right here. It says

[2:05:26] in 2025, are we in 2025? I think we are.

[2:05:29] Says you're going to use 100%.

[2:05:32] You're using 1,000 acre feet. the rest

[2:05:35] of it's going to Monterey for free.

[2:05:38] When you make a false statement of

[2:05:40] material fact and you have the knowledge

[2:05:43] that that statement is untrue and you

[2:05:46] have the intent to deceive the people

[2:05:48] that live around here

[2:05:50] uh and the people have a reliance on

[2:05:52] your statements and you injure them,

[2:05:55] you've just committed fraud and you

[2:05:57] commit fraud every day with what you do.

[2:06:00] So, you need to look at this stuff. you

[2:06:02] need to study this stuff and if you want

[2:06:04] to put something on an agenda where you

[2:06:07] actually want to have a discussion about

[2:06:09] what needs to happen then we can have

[2:06:11] that discussion with somebody that knows

[2:06:13] and not your staff and if you want me to

[2:06:15] bring their testimony from the court

[2:06:17] trial we've already lost five times I

[2:06:19] can do that too thank you

[2:06:22] >> thank you

[2:06:26] » Linup welcome

[2:06:27] >> hello I did not eat my waties today so I

[2:06:32] » hello I did not eat my waties today so I

[2:06:32] I'm actually here to say that um for

[2:06:34] general public comment that um the the

[2:06:37] fair, the midstate fair that just

[2:06:39] happened, I had the pleasure of riding

[2:06:41] my bicycle up the 24th Street Bridge.

[2:06:43] So, one of the questions I have for Deus

[2:06:45] is when that bridge is rehabbed, is it

[2:06:47] going to be lowered? I think bike lanes

[2:06:50] are supposed to go into it. So, um I'm

[2:06:53] not an expert bike rider, but I think

[2:06:55] the most basic bike rider should be able

[2:06:57] to get up and over that bridge without

[2:06:58] being able to walk their bike. end with

[2:07:01] that. Um, I got a lot of good, positive

[2:07:03] feedback about the police department at

[2:07:05] the fair. They were very wellreceived.

[2:07:08] Um, some people said it was wonderful.

[2:07:10] There were no fights. I don't know if

[2:07:12] that's true, but there were no major

[2:07:13] fights out front. Um, we didn't have the

[2:07:16] food cart debacle that we had last year.

[2:07:18] So, I think it was overall a really

[2:07:20] great event. I spent um my my life

[2:07:24] savings there

[2:07:26] um with they have a lot of great vendors

[2:07:29] and it was a fun event. I've been there

[2:07:31] before but this year I took the time to

[2:07:32] go three times. So anyway, so I have

[2:07:35] that question and then I have something

[2:07:37] from last meeting. You guys were talking

[2:07:39] about the Olsen Ranch. I think it's

[2:07:41] project um all electric. I think

[2:07:44] somebody just said it right now. 3CE. I

[2:07:47] think it's a wonderful thing that we

[2:07:49] have a portion of the city that is going

[2:07:52] to go to people who want all electric

[2:07:54] homes green. I think that is what we are

[2:07:59] are inching towards are trying to with

[2:08:01] Newsome in his merry band of legislature

[2:08:04] at the state. So I think it's a good

[2:08:08] thing. Um, I think that if we package it

[2:08:11] right and it comes back and we say to

[2:08:13] the IT people, the tech people in the

[2:08:15] Bay Area where I'm from, hey, we got all

[2:08:18] electric, we have this, we have that,

[2:08:20] they will come. But right now, there's

[2:08:22] nothing for them. So, the other thing

[2:08:25] that I'm concerned about is um well,

[2:08:28] even with that ice scare, I thought that

[2:08:30] that was really inappropriate. Who I

[2:08:32] guess it was the Democrats who did that.

[2:08:34] I went to the hotel. I spoke with the

[2:08:36] soldiers myself. Do you know that the

[2:08:38] hotel staff and the soldiers were being

[2:08:40] harassed? So if anybody has a pipeline

[2:08:43] into whoever created that mess, it needs

[2:08:45] to stop because it is not okay for

[2:08:48] citizens to be harassing people who do

[2:08:50] their jobs. The hotel had a really big

[2:08:53] problem during that. So that's all I

[2:08:56] came to say for public comment. Um we

[2:08:58] are projected to be up to 44K in 10

[2:09:01] years and I think that was two years ago

[2:09:03] when you guys had that projection. So, I

[2:09:06] hope that eventually

[2:09:08] um we start getting the staff and

[2:09:10] everything we need to move with it. I

[2:09:12] think it's really important that we keep

[2:09:14] up with that growth. Thank you,

[2:09:19] >> Dale. Welcome.

[2:09:20] » Dale. Welcome.

[2:09:20] >> Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with

[2:09:25] » Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with

[2:09:25] three members of this council and

[2:09:28] myself, we're all proud members of the

[2:09:30] Pastor Rob Rotary. And this Saturday,

[2:09:32] we're having our biggest fundraiser,

[2:09:34] Wine Makers Cookoff. And it we gave

[2:09:38] $100,000 in scholarship this last June.

[2:09:41] And we're very proud of that. And I'm

[2:09:44] proud to say that uh you three of you

[2:09:47] members of this council are members of

[2:09:50] that Rotary group as I am. Now, as to

[2:09:54] what Mr. Greg Groal said, "I was here

[2:09:58] when you were originally going to design

[2:09:59] that damn pipeline to go through the

[2:10:01] middle of the city." And I said, "That's

[2:10:03] crazy. You don't have no common sense.

[2:10:06] It already drains down and goes north to

[2:10:10] uh keep a constant flow in the river for

[2:10:14] selenus

[2:10:16] uh so that they don't get

[2:10:18] saltwater intrusion." Well, so why not

[2:10:22] take the water and bend it and put in a

[2:10:25] pipeline and serve the city of Pasobos?

[2:10:30] Why isn't it serving the city of

[2:10:31] Pasarobos?

[2:10:33] All that money to build a pipeline and

[2:10:36] it's all going to help the farmers in

[2:10:39] Selenas.

[2:10:41] It doesn't make sense. And now you got a

[2:10:43] problem. Supposedly, a lot of us don't

[2:10:46] agree you have a overdraft problem, but

[2:10:49] somebody said we did. And you've got the

[2:10:52] solution. just put that water from the

[2:10:56] Selenus that you're not using for our

[2:10:58] citizens back into the aquafer and the

[2:11:03] uh main uh

[2:11:06] water tank which we call a a a

[2:11:12] largest

[2:11:13] I call it a reservoir.

[2:11:15] Anyway, it just makes sense that the

[2:11:20] city is the is the one of the biggest

[2:11:23] culprits of this problem cuz you're not

[2:11:26] doing anything to help cure the problem.

[2:11:29] And you, John Hammond, sit up there and

[2:11:31] say, "Oh, we're going to find another

[2:11:33] way to fund this organization that's

[2:11:35] doing nothing."

[2:11:36] Why? You have a plan in place. And part

[2:11:41] of that plan should be for pastor Robos

[2:11:44] to do their fair share and helping to

[2:11:46] overcome the problem if it's a problem.

[2:11:51] » Michael, welcome.

[2:11:53] >> Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh

[2:11:56] » Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh

[2:11:56] thanks for 3CE and their presentation.

[2:11:59] However, there's a problem.

[2:12:01] uh his presentation was great but there

[2:12:03] was no information related to how much

[2:12:07] the taxpayers

[2:12:09] have paid for that what the total cost

[2:12:13] and investment and I don't call an

[2:12:15] investment I call it there's pro there

[2:12:18] probably be other ways we have an ocean

[2:12:19] of natural gas off the coast and nobody

[2:12:22] seems to be caring a lick about that but

[2:12:25] that's another argument but the bottom

[2:12:27] line is his presentation said nothing

[2:12:30] about what the total cost of this

[2:12:33] renewable energy is costing the

[2:12:35] taxpayers and the as as it relates to

[2:12:39] reliability. There's some question as to

[2:12:42] what that now your job here is to

[2:12:44] protect and defend the interests of the

[2:12:46] people of this city. And by not asking

[2:12:49] the simple question of what is the total

[2:12:51] cost of this to the public

[2:12:54] as I think their election, you guys

[2:12:56] really need to start drilling down on

[2:12:58] this. So, if we could get that

[2:13:00] information, that'd be great. Uh, the

[2:13:02] other thing is, uh, Mayor Hammond, I'm

[2:13:04] so disappointed

[2:13:07] in your leadership. This whole thing

[2:13:09] with Chris Bosch and the amount of money

[2:13:12] that's be this money, this city spends

[2:13:15] so much money on things that are just

[2:13:18] ridiculous.

[2:13:21] This thing with Chris should have been

[2:13:23] put to bed. And I was brought into this

[2:13:26] thing because you indicated that there

[2:13:28] was a conspiracy

[2:13:30] and I would like to know where is the

[2:13:32] conspiracy. I haven't seen anything.

[2:13:35] Where's the followup on that? I was I

[2:13:38] was smeared during the election cycle

[2:13:43] by that statement that you made

[2:13:45] suggesting that somehow these people

[2:13:47] were involved in an infarious collusion

[2:13:50] pro thing which was ridiculous. and

[2:13:54] absurd.

[2:13:55] So sir, you could have stopped this by

[2:13:58] just simply saying we need to stop this

[2:14:01] and I misspoke. I was incorrect. There

[2:14:03] was no conspiracy. And for you to

[2:14:05] suggest that is an outrage and and

[2:14:08] really despicable. And

[2:14:11] for Mr. Greywall, he makes good points

[2:14:14] that the amount of money that's being

[2:14:16] wasted by this city in a variety of

[2:14:18] different ways with legal counsel, etc.

[2:14:22] should shock the people of this city.

[2:14:24] We're a small city. We have a lot of

[2:14:26] needs here. For God's sake, I spoke

[2:14:29] about the roads. For how long?

[2:14:32] And we're getting half Crestston done

[2:14:34] now. We're going to take God knows how

[2:14:35] long to get it done to to to food for

[2:14:38] less.

[2:14:40] I hope people's teeth stay in their

[2:14:42] head.

[2:14:45] This is ridiculous,

[2:14:47] John. And your leadership has has not

[2:14:50] been good. And it's and it's not good.

[2:14:53] And and and I'm sad because I want the

[2:14:56] best for this city and I know you do too

[2:14:58] actually.

[2:15:00] But I think your your your decision-m

[2:15:02] has been poor.

[2:15:04] And so as it relates to Chris Bos, Chris

[2:15:08] Bos just asked questions and I'll I'll

[2:15:10] finish right now. Okay. Chris Ba was

[2:15:12] simply asking questions and directing

[2:15:15] his questions directly as his is right

[2:15:18] as a representative of the people of

[2:15:20] this city and for him to be accused of

[2:15:23] something like what you accused him of

[2:15:26] is outrageous.

[2:15:28] >> Thank you.

[2:15:29] » Thank you.

[2:15:29] >> Anyone else? Murray

[2:15:53] Thank

[2:16:04] you.

[2:16:23] Go ahead, Murray. Okay. Murray Pal

[2:16:26] temple and resident uh property owner

[2:16:30] of property in the Paso bas. So I'm here

[2:16:36] today. am a little disappointed that on

[2:16:38] your agenda you don't have a agenda item

[2:16:42] for the paso base and GSA

[2:16:45] you guys are the GSA for the pastoral

[2:16:48] city

[2:16:50] and I haven't seen any GSA paso city

[2:16:55] meetings lately at your council meetings

[2:16:59] in the past you've uh done them and

[2:17:01] you've done them in the right way and I

[2:17:03] appreciate that. So anyway, what I've

[2:17:06] handed out today is a uh a document

[2:17:11] that's actually kind of a cost and

[2:17:15] income statement type situation for four

[2:17:18] or five months that was handed out on

[2:17:21] August 1st. And for all the folks here

[2:17:23] that don't know, uh there was a 218

[2:17:26] process a lot of you probably heard

[2:17:28] about. And on May 1st, I mean, I'm

[2:17:31] sorry, on August 1st, it was defeated.

[2:17:34] defeated.

[2:17:36] And there's four GSAs, this one and

[2:17:39] three others that are now part of this

[2:17:42] new uh uh authority, this GPA authority.

[2:17:47] And if you look at this uh document,

[2:17:50] you'll see that uh the four uh GSAs had

[2:17:54] uh uh contributed a while back uh

[2:17:59] $229,000

[2:18:01] out of their own funds, including uh the

[2:18:05] general fund of the Paso City uh to fund

[2:18:09] this uh 218 situation. And if you also

[2:18:13] look at the last column, you'll see a

[2:18:15] $250,000

[2:18:17] in September column uh that according to

[2:18:21] the treasurer of the GPA uh will be due

[2:18:26] uh from each of the GS GSAs. So your

[2:18:30] share between the the earlier one and

[2:18:34] this one is about 75,000.

[2:18:37] Not a big number, you know, in your

[2:18:39] budget. I know understand, but you just

[2:18:43] guys keep wasting money on these things

[2:18:45] and nothing's getting done. So, uh I

[2:18:49] would like you to uh uh your next

[2:18:53] meeting uh bring uh your GSA

[2:18:57] uh agenda up and explain to the county

[2:19:00] or to the people in this city what

[2:19:03] you're wasting the money on. So right

[2:19:06] now um

[2:19:10] let's see if there's anything else here.

[2:19:12] It's my yellow light.

[2:19:15] So uh you know the purpose of this uh

[2:19:19] authority is to implement the GSP

[2:19:23] that uh was approved by the DWR in 2020.

[2:19:28] And so far you haven't done anything.

[2:19:30] All you've done is spent money and you

[2:19:32] haven't saved one drop of water.

[2:19:34] >> All right. Thank you, Murray. We're

[2:19:36] » All right. Thank you, Murray. We're

[2:19:36] gonna actually have an item on our next

[2:19:39] agenda next two weeks. Friday's meeting,

[2:19:43] we couldn't get it agendaized because

[2:19:45] you have to post it ahead of time. So,

[2:19:47] we are talking about it next meeting.

[2:19:49] So, if you want to come at that point,

[2:19:50] >> that would be appreciated. I think a lot

[2:19:53] » that would be appreciated. I think a lot

[2:19:53] of people need to understand more what's

[2:19:55] going on and what you guys are doing

[2:19:57] about it.

[2:19:58] >> Thank you.

[2:20:00] » Thank you.

[2:20:00] Anyone else?

[2:20:03] Sharon.

[2:20:06] » Good evening. Uh, my name is Sharon

[2:20:08] Rhoden. I'm speaking as a private

[2:20:10] citizen. At the end of the last meeting

[2:20:12] during council's comments, Mr. Baos made

[2:20:15] a comment about how many records he has

[2:20:18] produced for the records request, some

[2:20:21] of which date prior to November of last

[2:20:23] year. He noted that the other council

[2:20:25] members combined had submitted less than

[2:20:27] 50 records. end quote in the absence of

[2:20:30] any emails turned in by former council

[2:20:32] member Sharon Rhoden end quote

[2:20:36] perhaps intimating that I had with

[2:20:39] forethought and purpose of evasion not

[2:20:42] produced emails in my possession or my

[2:20:44] devices

[2:20:46] to clarify I turned my city devices over

[2:20:49] to the city for evaluation I did so in a

[2:20:53] timely manner without the necessity of a

[2:20:55] lawsuit or a judge's order to do

[2:20:59] I signed an affidavit stating under

[2:21:01] penalty of perjury that I had produced

[2:21:04] all known records per the request. I

[2:21:08] signed this affidavit affidavit without

[2:21:10] the need for a judge to instruct me to

[2:21:13] do so. Mr. Rivera is correct. The city

[2:21:16] has wasted a lot of money. I would guess

[2:21:18] maybe a million dollars on one council

[2:21:21] member because this council member

[2:21:23] refused to abide by the laws in

[2:21:25] providing records in a timely manner.

[2:21:28] When I received an email about a couple

[2:21:31] of weeks ago requesting texts, I didn't

[2:21:35] wait for a formal request, a lawsuit, or

[2:21:38] judicial intervention.

[2:21:40] The only device that I use for texting

[2:21:43] is my personal phone. But I did not

[2:21:46] hesitate. I took my private devices to

[2:21:49] the city for their analysis. They

[2:21:52] determined there were two texts, both

[2:21:53] containing only public information.

[2:21:57] No discussion of replacing a council

[2:21:59] member, no city business discussed, and

[2:22:03] no use of derogatory names for council

[2:22:05] members or city staff. This is not how I

[2:22:08] conduct myself. In short, I produce my

[2:22:12] city devices for review. I produced my

[2:22:15] private devices for review. I signed an

[2:22:18] affidavit in a timely manner stating I

[2:22:21] had produced records requested.

[2:22:24] You, Mr. Bow, cannot make the same

[2:22:26] claim. Based upon these facts, Mr.

[2:22:29] Bosch, I would request that you clarify

[2:22:31] your statement so as not to give the

[2:22:33] impression that I had eluded any

[2:22:35] requests for records. Thank you.

[2:22:38] >> Thank you. Anyone else in the room for

[2:22:41] » Thank you. Anyone else in the room for

[2:22:42] public comment?

[2:22:44] Do we have anyone online?

[2:22:45] >> I do have one caller, Jan Alban.

[2:22:48] » I do have one caller, Jan Alban.

[2:22:48] >> Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead.

[2:22:51] » Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead.

[2:22:52] >> Yes. And can you hear me?

[2:22:54] » Yes. And can you hear me?

[2:22:54] >> Yes. Go ahead.

[2:22:56] » Yes. Go ahead.

[2:22:56] >> Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a

[2:22:59] » Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a

[2:22:59] resident of Coil Run Senior Community

[2:23:03] and I'd like to take this opportunity to

[2:23:05] thank the citizens of Pasarobos for

[2:23:08] standing up, protesting, and voting down

[2:23:12] the plan to tax well users for their own

[2:23:15] water. Water that by law belongs to

[2:23:18] them. Water this quasi authority had no

[2:23:23] legal right to tax or attempt to

[2:23:25] control. These are Bruce Gibson's

[2:23:28] minions, basically water pirates, acting

[2:23:32] under the guise of some legitimate

[2:23:34] authority. And I'm reminded of the movie

[2:23:36] Chinatown, where it's all about money,

[2:23:39] power, and control of the water. If you

[2:23:42] control the water, you control the

[2:23:44] world. Well, happily, the cities

[2:23:47] citizens voted this down and with any

[2:23:50] luck sent a message to the next hopeful

[2:23:53] group of pretenders that we're not

[2:23:55] having it. The days of to bully, the

[2:23:59] days of trying to bully and get over on

[2:24:01] the citizens has passed. Thank you.

[2:24:04] >> Thank you.

[2:24:06] » Thank you.

[2:24:06] >> Anyone else?

[2:24:08] » Anyone else?

[2:24:08] >> No, sir.

[2:24:11] » No, sir.

[2:24:11] >> Let's uh take care of that phone,

[2:24:13] » Let's uh take care of that phone,

[2:24:14] whoever that is.

[2:24:21] » Okay. Uh anyone else online?

[2:24:24] >> No, sir.

[2:24:25] » No, sir.

[2:24:25] >> Okay. We'll go ahead and close public

[2:24:26] » Okay. We'll go ahead and close public

[2:24:26] comment

[2:24:28] >> yes. Go ahead Mr. B

[2:24:31] » yes. Go ahead Mr. B

[2:24:31] >> to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning

[2:24:35] » to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning

[2:24:35] commissioner uh Sher speaking as a

[2:24:38] private citizen. Um

[2:24:42] Miss Rhoden was not under threat of a uh

[2:24:46] lawsuit from a city employee at the time

[2:24:50] the prior uh records requests were made.

[2:24:54] Uh she also was not uh um

[2:25:00] uh instructed by her attorney as I was

[2:25:03] to uh withhold any uh production of

[2:25:07] public records request until after the

[2:25:09] threat of the lawsuit had passed on

[2:25:11] March 16th, 2025.

[2:25:15] Uh the record is already abundantly

[2:25:18] clear that I provided my records prior

[2:25:21] to a judge ordering me to do so. I uh

[2:25:27] the record uh the judge uh provided an

[2:25:32] instruction to clarify who I was to

[2:25:35] deliver the records to. Um,

[2:25:39] the

[2:25:41] emails that I referred to in my comments

[2:25:44] were from private devices, not

[2:25:47] city-owned devices. The city devices and

[2:25:50] production of records from city devices

[2:25:52] has never been in question. Only the

[2:25:55] production of records from our private

[2:25:58] devices. So, I hopefully that clarifies

[2:26:01] the comment, Miss Rhoden, and hopefully

[2:26:03] that satisfies you this evening. Thank

[2:26:05] you.

[2:26:06] Yeah, thank you Chris.

[2:26:08] Moving on with the agenda. Next, we have

[2:26:11] agenda items to be deferred. Mr. Huat,

[2:26:12] do we have any? Uh,

[2:26:13] >> mayor, no items for deferral this

[2:26:15] » mayor, no items for deferral this

[2:26:15] evening.

[2:26:15] >> Very good. So, then we move on then to

[2:26:17] » Very good. So, then we move on then to

[2:26:17] the overview of items on consent

[2:26:19] calendar. And you have that item, Mr.

[2:26:20] Huah.

[2:26:21] >> Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine

[2:26:23] » Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine

[2:26:23] items on a consent calendar this

[2:26:25] evening. The first is the approval of

[2:26:27] the meeting minutes for the July 15th,

[2:26:29] 20 uh July 15, 2025 city council

[2:26:32] meeting. Item number two is the receipt

[2:26:34] of advisory body minutes for the youth

[2:26:37] commission meeting on May 7th, the parks

[2:26:40] and recreation advisory committee on May

[2:26:42] 12th, the senior citizens advisory

[2:26:44] committee on May 12th, and the community

[2:26:46] services advisory body special joint

[2:26:48] reorganization meeting on June 18th.

[2:26:51] Item number three, at the request of the

[2:26:53] city council, I believe your last

[2:26:55] meeting, uh this item is a cancellation

[2:26:58] of your September 4th, 2025 regular city

[2:27:01] council meeting. and uh directing city

[2:27:04] staff to schedule a special meeting in

[2:27:05] the month of September if necessary.

[2:27:08] Item number four is the receipt of the

[2:27:10] treasures report for May of 2025.

[2:27:14] Item number five is the receipt of the

[2:27:16] warrant register uh since our last

[2:27:19] report. Uh $6.7 million

[2:27:23] uh has been made in payments from the

[2:27:24] city to various vendors for various

[2:27:27] activities. I will cover those items

[2:27:29] that exceed $100,000 and there are

[2:27:31] several of them. So please bear with me.

[2:27:33] Uh the first is a payment to Best and

[2:27:35] Creger LLP for April 2025 attorneys

[2:27:39] fees. This comes from a variety of

[2:27:41] different funding sources including

[2:27:42] developer reimbursements in the amount

[2:27:44] of $271,4944.

[2:27:48] Second item is a payment to Page

[2:27:50] Construction for the construction

[2:27:52] contract for the Golden Hill Road

[2:27:54] repairs. This comes out of the capital

[2:27:56] improvement fund in the amount of

[2:27:57] $174,784.54.

[2:28:02] The next item is a payment to California

[2:28:04] Joint Power Insurance Agency. This is

[2:28:07] for the city's annual liability and

[2:28:08] workers comp programs uh in the amount

[2:28:11] of 2.2,671,75.

[2:28:16] The next item is a payment to California

[2:28:17] Joint Power Insurance Agency for the uh

[2:28:21] risk uh property insurance program in

[2:28:24] the amount of $336,289.

[2:28:28] Next item is a payment to First American

[2:28:30] Title Company. This is related to an

[2:28:33] easement acquisition uh per a previously

[2:28:36] approved agreement uh in the amount of

[2:28:38] $392,496.

[2:28:41] The next item is a payment to Best &ing

[2:28:43] Creger LLP for the May 2025 attorney's

[2:28:47] fees. Again, coming out of a variety of

[2:28:49] different funds in the amount of uh

[2:28:53] $242,71.83.

[2:28:57] Next item is a payment to Pacific Gas

[2:28:59] and Electric. This is for the June 2025

[2:29:03] uh utility costs coming out of the water

[2:29:05] fund in the amount of $162,491.

[2:29:10] Next item is a payment to grant a

[2:29:12] construction company. This is related to

[2:29:14] the constant road phase one project that

[2:29:17] Mrs. Esparange spoke about earlier.

[2:29:19] Comes out of the capital improvement

[2:29:20] fund in the amount of $228,43147.

[2:29:26] Uh next item is a payment to Cal

[2:29:28] Portland construction. Uh this is

[2:29:30] related to road repairs in the Serenade

[2:29:32] Brahma area. comes out of the capital

[2:29:34] improvement fund in the amount of

[2:29:35] $33,210.74.

[2:29:40] Next item is a pass through payment made

[2:29:42] to visit SlowCal. This is related to the

[2:29:45] tourism assessment district uh for the

[2:29:47] May 2025 and that pass through amount

[2:29:50] was $133,22843.

[2:29:54] Uh similarly, the last uh notable

[2:29:57] payment is to Travel Paso for the May

[2:30:00] 2025 tourism improvement district and

[2:30:04] that passed their amount as $176,881.

[2:30:09] Moving on, item six on the consent

[2:30:11] calendar this evening is a renewal uh of

[2:30:14] the Pasar Robels Library Study Center

[2:30:17] lease with the superintendent of

[2:30:18] schools. This is for uh the study center

[2:30:21] facility, I believe, at 3600 Oak Street.

[2:30:25] Uh item number seven is the approval of

[2:30:27] an application to the land and water

[2:30:29] conservation fund. Uh this would provide

[2:30:32] additional funding to move the Beachwood

[2:30:35] Park project forward. I believe the city

[2:30:38] is uh planning to apply for a little

[2:30:40] more than $3 million. Uh and this grant

[2:30:44] requires a resolution uh of the city

[2:30:47] council to apply. Item number eight is

[2:30:50] the award of a construction contract for

[2:30:52] the repair and re and rehabilitation of

[2:30:55] certain uh utility mains on 17th Street

[2:30:58] Capitol Hill Almond Court uh and a

[2:31:01] change order as it relates to those

[2:31:03] construction services. And then finally,

[2:31:05] item number nine tonight is a change

[2:31:07] order related to uh North Coast's

[2:31:10] engineering contract. And this is

[2:31:11] related to uh preparation work for the

[2:31:15] Crest and Road phase 2 project that Miss

[2:31:17] Espiranto spoke about earlier. Mayor,

[2:31:20] that concludes a summary of the consent

[2:31:21] calendar. We're happy to answer any

[2:31:22] questions.

[2:31:23] >> Very good, Chris. Um items on consent

[2:31:26] » Very good, Chris. Um items on consent

[2:31:26] calendar are considered routine, do not

[2:31:28] require separate discussion. However, if

[2:31:29] any member of the council or the public

[2:31:32] has any specific questions or

[2:31:33] clarification on a particular item on

[2:31:36] consent, we will address them now before

[2:31:38] a vote is taken. uh if a full discussion

[2:31:40] is desired by a member of the public or

[2:31:43] the council that will cause the item 10

[2:31:46] to be removed and uh added to the end of

[2:31:49] the discussion items for tonight. Well,

[2:31:51] I'll ask the council if they have any

[2:31:53] questions or would like to pull any

[2:31:55] items on the consent. I have a question

[2:31:58] for DAS on P8

[2:32:01] >> and that's for the uh contract on the

[2:32:04] » and that's for the uh contract on the

[2:32:04] water and sewer mains

[2:32:06] >> and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor

[2:32:08] » and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor

[2:32:08] that is the low bid but I'm curious if

[2:32:11] they're using any local subs or local

[2:32:13] laborers for that if you have that

[2:32:15] information.

[2:32:22] Yeah, there's only one sub on that

[2:32:24] project and it's to provide traffic

[2:32:26] control and they're from Santa Bria.

[2:32:31] » So yeah, Chris. Okay, on my right pro

[2:32:34] Gregory.

[2:32:34] >> Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question

[2:32:37] » Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question

[2:32:37] on 8 for you too. What is the location

[2:32:40] of the rehabilitation of the water and

[2:32:42] sewer mains on 17th?

[2:32:45] >> Actually, these are um fixing some old

[2:32:48] » Actually, these are um fixing some old

[2:32:48] water valves. So they're all at several

[2:32:50] intersections 18th, 19th, 21st is just

[2:32:54] to uh they're old and will break any

[2:32:57] minute and so we need to fix them

[2:32:59] because Riverside from 17th to 21st is

[2:33:02] on the list to repair for roads.

[2:33:05] >> Okay, thank you

[2:33:07] » Okay, thank you

[2:33:07] Chris.

[2:33:08] >> You okay? I'll open up the public.

[2:33:10] » You okay? I'll open up the public.

[2:33:10] Anybody having a question on any item on

[2:33:12] consent, please come forward.

[2:33:13] >> Hi, Linda George 126 Street number

[2:33:16] » Hi, Linda George 126 Street number

[2:33:16] three. Should I ask my question now?

[2:33:18] Yes.

[2:33:19] >> Okay. Well, that's what I was re

[2:33:21] » Okay. Well, that's what I was re

[2:33:21] referring actually to about the growth

[2:33:23] of the city and being 44,000. Um I think

[2:33:26] it was projected in the next 10 years,

[2:33:28] Chris. Um, I'm not sure if that's that

[2:33:30] was two years ago when that projection

[2:33:32] was made, but my concern about

[2:33:34] cancelling meetings and um, right now

[2:33:37] it's a part-time situation and as the

[2:33:40] city grows it, we're going to need

[2:33:42] obviously more staff, but we're going to

[2:33:44] need our council to spend more time and

[2:33:47] making decisions. So, I am absolutely

[2:33:50] adverse to you guys cancelling any

[2:33:52] meeting unless it's an emergency when

[2:33:54] you only have two a month. So, I urge

[2:33:57] you to reschedule the one you're going

[2:33:58] to cancel.

[2:34:00] >> Very good. Anyone else?

[2:34:03] » Very good. Anyone else?

[2:34:03] Anyone online?

[2:34:05] >> No, sir.

[2:34:06] » No, sir.

[2:34:06] >> Okay. We'll bring it back then to

[2:34:07] » Okay. We'll bring it back then to

[2:34:07] council for discussion and or direction.

[2:34:12] >> Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve

[2:34:15] » Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve

[2:34:15] items one through nine on the consent

[2:34:16] agenda as stated.

[2:34:18] >> Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second

[2:34:19] » Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second

[2:34:20] by Bosch uh for approval of one through

[2:34:23] nine on the consent calendar. Any uh

[2:34:25] discussion?

[2:34:27] >> Okay, we'll call for a question.

[2:34:28] » Okay, we'll call for a question.

[2:34:28] Melissa,

[2:34:29] >> Council Member Gregory,

[2:34:30] » Council Member Gregory,

[2:34:30] >> I.

[2:34:30] » I.

[2:34:30] >> Council member Bosch,

[2:34:31] » Council member Bosch,

[2:34:31] >> hi.

[2:34:32] » hi.

[2:34:32] >> Council member Beal,

[2:34:33] » Council member Beal,

[2:34:33] >> I.

[2:34:33] » I.

[2:34:34] >> Council member Strong.

[2:34:35] » Council member Strong.

[2:34:35] >> Hi,

[2:34:35] » Hi,

[2:34:35] >> Mayor Hammond.

[2:34:36] » Mayor Hammond.

[2:34:36] >> Hi.

[2:34:36] » Hi.

[2:34:36] >> Motion passes unanimously.

[2:34:38] » Motion passes unanimously.

[2:34:38] >> Thank you. Next, we have public

[2:34:40] » Thank you. Next, we have public

[2:34:40] hearings. We'll open up public hearings.

[2:34:42] And the first one is to consider a

[2:34:44] specific plan amendment for the project

[2:34:46] located at 258 Spring Street. And I

[2:34:49] think we have Katie Banister going to be

[2:34:51] doing that for me.

[2:34:56] Welcome, Katie.

[2:35:06] » Thank you, Mayor and City Council. So,

[2:35:08] yes, as you said, this is a specific

[2:35:09] plan amendment for a single property uh

[2:35:11] that's in the Uptown Town Center

[2:35:13] specific plan uh located at 258 Spring

[2:35:16] Street. So, the application includes a

[2:35:19] general plan amendment, a specific plan

[2:35:21] amendment, and those are both amendments

[2:35:22] to the maps. Um, and then a conditional

[2:35:25] use permit, and a site plan review as

[2:35:27] well.

[2:35:29] So, location 258 Spring Street is

[2:35:32] between 24th and 26th Street on um on

[2:35:35] Spring Street. Uh to the east is

[2:35:39] manufacturing areas. That's in the

[2:35:40] Riverside Corridor Zoning District. Uh

[2:35:42] to the north, there are a few

[2:35:44] residential uses. This is a a a

[2:35:46] residence. Of course, it is within that

[2:35:48] manufacturing area. So, this is uh

[2:35:50] sandwiched between commercial and and uh

[2:35:52] and manufacturing, but there is a

[2:35:54] residential use there. We do also uh I

[2:35:57] think this is an abandoned residence in

[2:35:58] the yellow here, but there is a house

[2:36:00] located there. And then there is some

[2:36:02] new residential proposed uh uh where the

[2:36:05] Moose Lodge used to be located there at

[2:36:07] the corner of 26 in Spring. There's also

[2:36:09] a hotel to the south uh um just behind

[2:36:12] Wraid. And then of course the the um the

[2:36:15] junior high school is just across the

[2:36:16] street.

[2:36:18] So looking at the general plan map um

[2:36:20] there are several general plan land use

[2:36:22] designations um in the in the vicinity.

[2:36:25] The property is currently in the

[2:36:26] mixeduse 12 uh land use designation and

[2:36:29] just to the south is the community

[2:36:31] commercial uh land use designation. So

[2:36:34] the both the general plan map and the

[2:36:36] zoning map change right at this property

[2:36:38] at its southern boundary. And so the

[2:36:40] applicant is requesting to move from the

[2:36:42] light purple area into the dark purple

[2:36:44] area. Um the mixeduse zone is the

[2:36:47] mixeduse 12 zone is more of a

[2:36:49] residential zone where limited

[2:36:51] commercial uses are allowed whereas the

[2:36:53] the CC the the community commercial

[2:36:56] general plan designation is more of a

[2:36:58] commercial area where residential is

[2:37:00] allowed. So, it's just kind of moving

[2:37:01] the balance between um kind of light

[2:37:04] light commercial uses to some um some

[2:37:06] more intensive commercial uses is what

[2:37:08] would largely be the change.

[2:37:11] Similarly, the zoning uh changes here as

[2:37:14] well. So, the property is currently in

[2:37:15] the T4F zoning district and would like

[2:37:18] to be in the TC2 zoning district. You

[2:37:21] can see the purposes of those two

[2:37:23] districts on the left uh for the T T4F

[2:37:26] and TC2. But similarly as I explained

[2:37:28] for the land use designations, T4F uh

[2:37:32] primarily residential with some uh

[2:37:34] limited commercial and the red TC2

[2:37:37] primarily commercial with some

[2:37:38] residential allowed.

[2:37:41] So there are um certain uses that are

[2:37:43] allowed in the TC2 that are not

[2:37:45] currently allowed in the T4F. So if the

[2:37:47] planning comm excuse me, if the city

[2:37:49] council were to change the zoning of

[2:37:51] this lot, um the uses in the red column

[2:37:54] will now be allowed on this site. Of

[2:37:56] course, these are uses that are allowed

[2:37:57] immediately to the south. Um, so this

[2:37:59] would just be expanding the area where

[2:38:01] there are some auto serving and alcohol

[2:38:03] serving um as well as um hotel and and

[2:38:07] some visitor serving uses would would be

[2:38:09] allowed um on this site as well.

[2:38:13] There are some development standards

[2:38:15] that would be changed. The T4F has um

[2:38:18] basically shorter buildings and larger

[2:38:20] setbacks. Uh the residential density

[2:38:22] would actually be the same. you can do

[2:38:24] 30 uh dwelling units per acre um both in

[2:38:27] the T4F and the TC2 but you'll see in

[2:38:30] the right hand column TC2 you could do

[2:38:32] taller buildings and then the buildings

[2:38:34] can be closer to the property lines.

[2:38:39] So the building the existing building um

[2:38:41] has been there for many years. It was uh

[2:38:43] Western Courts had its uh headquarters

[2:38:45] here. There was a dance studio here very

[2:38:47] recently um but it is currently vacant.

[2:38:50] So, the applicant is uh proposing to

[2:38:53] make some uh remodeling to the building.

[2:38:55] They would uh paint over existing

[2:38:56] materials um to give them a fresh new

[2:38:59] look, put some new sighting on the walls

[2:39:01] as well.

[2:39:04] And this is in order, this is the site

[2:39:06] plan. Um they would put new landscaping

[2:39:08] and some new decks at both the front and

[2:39:10] rear of the property and then along this

[2:39:12] side. Um they do continue to meet their

[2:39:14] parking requirement. Um and um some some

[2:39:17] nice improvements to the property.

[2:39:20] Uh here's some looks the this is the

[2:39:22] deck that's towards the middle. You can

[2:39:24] see there'd be signage on the walls and

[2:39:25] different uh windows going into the

[2:39:27] building.

[2:39:30] And here we're looking from the rear. Uh

[2:39:32] this is a deck that's at the rear of the

[2:39:33] that was proposed at the rear of the

[2:39:35] building.

[2:39:37] Um so these uh changes would be made in

[2:39:39] order to facilitate uh some new uses.

[2:39:42] There would be a retail or deli shop at

[2:39:44] the front of the building and then a

[2:39:46] series of kind of kiosks and little

[2:39:48] counter areas for different uh beer and

[2:39:50] wine, retail specialty uh food uh

[2:39:53] preparers, little spaces for different

[2:39:56] uh vendors to have businesses. And these

[2:39:59] retail and beer retail beer and wine

[2:40:01] spaces are really what has brought us to

[2:40:03] uh the city council today. Um the

[2:40:05] planning commission did not feel that

[2:40:07] they could make a they could not allow a

[2:40:10] project that had these wine tasting uses

[2:40:13] uh without changing the zoning and so

[2:40:14] they are recommending that the zoning be

[2:40:16] changing be changed in order to

[2:40:18] facilitate this business. You'll see

[2:40:20] there's also a meeting space a

[2:40:21] relatively modestsized meeting space at

[2:40:23] the rear of the building and that's why

[2:40:24] the prop the property excuse me project

[2:40:27] needs a conditional use permit.

[2:40:31] So, this project is exempt from SQA as a

[2:40:33] class one categorical exemption for

[2:40:35] existing structures. Um, you can see all

[2:40:37] the the fine uh print there at the

[2:40:39] bottom for what class one exemptions are

[2:40:40] for, but essentially it's taking

[2:40:42] existing buildings that don't have

[2:40:44] considerable uh expansion of use.

[2:40:48] The city council has options. The first

[2:40:50] would be to approve the project um uh by

[2:40:53] adopting this two resolutions for you

[2:40:55] this evening. The first would approve

[2:40:57] general plan amendment the general plan

[2:40:59] amendment to change the the general plan

[2:41:01] designation for the site uh as well as a

[2:41:03] specific plan amendment which would

[2:41:05] change the zoning for the site. The

[2:41:07] second resolution uh includes a

[2:41:09] conditional use permit uh for the

[2:41:11] private meeting facility and the site

[2:41:13] plan review for the physical changes to

[2:41:15] the site and building and the conditions

[2:41:17] of approval uh requiring um limited

[2:41:20] hours and some other um um conditions of

[2:41:22] approval are included in resolution B.

[2:41:25] The city council could amend and adopt

[2:41:27] those resolutions to approve the project

[2:41:28] with changes. If you feel you need more

[2:41:31] information, you could refer the project

[2:41:32] back to staff or the planning

[2:41:34] commission. And uh the fourth

[2:41:36] alternative would be to deny the project

[2:41:37] by making findings of denial. The

[2:41:40] planning commission is recommending that

[2:41:42] the city council approve the project. Um

[2:41:44] on July 8th, they reviewed and voted uh

[2:41:46] two votes to recommend the city council

[2:41:49] approve both resolutions to approve

[2:41:51] those general plan uh and uh specific

[2:41:54] plan map amendments as well as the

[2:41:56] conditional use permit and site plan

[2:41:58] review. Uh that concludes my report and

[2:42:00] I welcome your questions.

[2:42:01] >> Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my

[2:42:03] » Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my

[2:42:03] left. Anybody?

[2:42:04] >> Actually, I'd like to hear other

[2:42:06] » Actually, I'd like to hear other

[2:42:06] people's questions. I have a couple, but

[2:42:07] I want to listen.

[2:42:08] >> All right, I'll start on this side then.

[2:42:12] » All right, I'll start on this side then.

[2:42:12] >> Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um

[2:42:15] » Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um

[2:42:15] how did that portion of property get

[2:42:17] zoned

[2:42:19] uh multif family 12 when it was on a

[2:42:22] property with another um commercial

[2:42:24] development? Do you know how that

[2:42:26] happened?

[2:42:27] >> So the the uses that were there before

[2:42:29] » So the the uses that were there before

[2:42:29] were allowed in the T4F zone. So, by

[2:42:32] putting that zoning on it, it didn't

[2:42:33] make the, you know, the existing uses

[2:42:35] non-conforming. The TC2 uh is is kind of

[2:42:38] this the corner of 24th and Spring and

[2:42:41] south of that. So, I think, you know,

[2:42:42] you have to draw a line at some point

[2:42:44] and um you know, we wanted those use the

[2:42:46] more intensive uses to be at the corner

[2:42:48] and as we moved into the neighborhood,

[2:42:50] there would be less intensive uses.

[2:42:51] >> Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you,

[2:42:53] » Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you,

[2:42:53] >> Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if

[2:42:56] » Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if

[2:42:56] you can answer this. This might be a

[2:42:57] question for the developer. the um

[2:43:03] I I hate giving up the residential just

[2:43:05] because we need that and the multif

[2:43:06] family would be a good spot for this,

[2:43:09] but it doesn't look like there's enough

[2:43:11] space to allow for parking. Um would you

[2:43:15] agree with that or or would you offer

[2:43:17] some other opinion?

[2:43:19] >> The the changing the zoning will

[2:43:21] » The the changing the zoning will

[2:43:21] actually continue to allow the same

[2:43:22] number of residential units. The same

[2:43:24] owner actually took a project through

[2:43:26] the planning commission to do and I'm

[2:43:28] going to forget the number of units. I

[2:43:29] believe it was 20. They were going to

[2:43:31] reuse this building um and break it into

[2:43:33] four they called them quadplexes kind of

[2:43:35] four units and then there was going to

[2:43:36] be a new building in the rear but they

[2:43:38] have opted for this alternative for a

[2:43:41] commercial option.

[2:43:42] >> Okay. Thank you.

[2:43:44] » Okay. Thank you.

[2:43:44] >> So yeah, Katie, I had that same question

[2:43:46] » So yeah, Katie, I had that same question

[2:43:46] with parking. Is it adequately parked

[2:43:48] according to you know the code and and

[2:43:50] the use at this point? It is in the

[2:43:52] uptown town center specific plan for

[2:43:54] commercial uses. You need one parking

[2:43:56] space for every 400 square ft of

[2:43:58] commercial uh u tenant space and it does

[2:44:01] provide that number.

[2:44:02] >> Yeah, I noticed they have that outside

[2:44:04] » Yeah, I noticed they have that outside

[2:44:04] um covered area right there like in your

[2:44:06] photo and that they took out some

[2:44:08] parking. So, I wasn't sure if it changed

[2:44:09] that use and what was required at that

[2:44:12] point. So, we're okay with it then.

[2:44:13] Okay. Over here.

[2:44:15] >> Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was

[2:44:17] » Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was

[2:44:17] any consideration made and if so, what

[2:44:19] the comments were on having this much

[2:44:21] alcohol allowed in close proximity to

[2:44:24] middle school.

[2:44:28] » Um, the the applicant will have to go

[2:44:30] through the ABC process, the alcohol the

[2:44:32] the alcohol beverage control. Um, but it

[2:44:35] is certainly a concern, you know, that

[2:44:36] there are alcohol uses um that are would

[2:44:38] be allowed in the TC2. They are allowed

[2:44:40] immediately to the south. Um, but this

[2:44:42] would be an expansion of that area.

[2:44:44] Correct. Thank you.

[2:44:46] Okay, Miss Bill,

[2:44:47] >> in the staff report, you spoke about

[2:44:49] » in the staff report, you spoke about

[2:44:49] like outreach and you know, advertising

[2:44:51] the public hearing. Can you characterize

[2:44:53] some of the public comment you've had on

[2:44:55] this project?

[2:44:57] >> Um, we have not received much public

[2:44:59] » Um, we have not received much public

[2:44:59] comment. Um, as you noted, we all we've

[2:45:01] done is the standard noticing, which is

[2:45:02] sending postcards to uh property owners

[2:45:04] and residents within 300 ft of the site.

[2:45:07] There's a notice in the newspaper and we

[2:45:09] put a piece of we, you know, post the

[2:45:11] site as well to let folks know that

[2:45:13] there's a hearing coming. We have not

[2:45:14] had any public comments from the

[2:45:16] community.

[2:45:17] >> Thanks. And then so this has been

[2:45:18] » Thanks. And then so this has been

[2:45:18] through the DRC twice and to the

[2:45:20] planning commission for the planning

[2:45:23] commission hearing or meeting. Uh what

[2:45:25] was the staff recommendation at that

[2:45:27] time?

[2:45:28] >> At that time staff was recommending

[2:45:29] » At that time staff was recommending

[2:45:29] denial.

[2:45:31] >> Thank you.

[2:45:33] » Thank you.

[2:45:33] >> Okay. Questions? That's it.

[2:45:35] » Okay. Questions? That's it.

[2:45:35] >> All right. We'll open up then to the

[2:45:37] » All right. We'll open up then to the

[2:45:37] public for any discussion on this item

[2:45:39] or let's uh Linda, let's do the

[2:45:41] applicant. Uh we have Jamie. Oh,

[2:45:43] >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

[2:45:44] » yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

[2:45:44] >> Jamie wants to speak for the applicant.

[2:45:46] » Jamie wants to speak for the applicant.

[2:45:46] >> Thank you.

[2:45:48] » Thank you.

[2:45:48] You can go first if you want.

[2:45:52] I know. Me, too. Me, too.

[2:45:56] Let me make sure.

[2:46:00] Just making sure I understand how

[2:46:01] everything works. All right. Good

[2:46:03] evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the

[2:46:05] council. My name is Jamie Jones and I am

[2:46:08] representing uh the project this evening

[2:46:10] and I appreciate the time to walk

[2:46:12] through kind of the premise of the why

[2:46:14] behind the application and why we think

[2:46:16] this is a good um fit for the site and

[2:46:19] why the general plan amendment makes

[2:46:21] sense. So this property is about a half

[2:46:24] an acre in size. Um, important note and

[2:46:28] I don't I think it may have been in the

[2:46:30] staff report but not the presentation is

[2:46:33] that we sh this parcel shares access

[2:46:36] with the property immediately to the

[2:46:38] south. So the property line as you can

[2:46:40] see on this slide goes right against the

[2:46:42] back of the building. So whenever you're

[2:46:44] looking at orientation of this building

[2:46:47] it's oriented to the commercial uses in

[2:46:50] the commercial zoning in which we're

[2:46:52] requesting.

[2:46:54] And so what we're proposing um a number

[2:46:56] of requests, the general plan and the

[2:46:59] zoning amendment and that would change

[2:47:01] the zoning to the TC2 town center zoning

[2:47:05] which would allow and that's the uses

[2:47:07] that we're talking about is the the the

[2:47:09] small wine tasting and and beer kiosks

[2:47:13] and also a conditional use permit for a

[2:47:15] private meeting facility. There's some

[2:47:17] debate whether that's required because

[2:47:18] there's a conflict in the code if it's

[2:47:20] allowed or you know if it requires a cup

[2:47:23] or not but but we're here so let's go

[2:47:24] ahead and talk about it and ask ask for

[2:47:26] it. And then we also have a um the site

[2:47:28] plan that talks about site improvements

[2:47:30] and the renovation of this building that

[2:47:33] has been um standing as it is for quite

[2:47:36] some time and is in need of some

[2:47:38] upgrades.

[2:47:40] And so we um with this project it will

[2:47:43] support a mixeduse commercial project.

[2:47:45] It aligns with the surrounding

[2:47:47] commercial zoning that we orient to.

[2:47:49] We're um looking at this is a a needed

[2:47:52] space for providing affordable lease

[2:47:54] lease spaces for smaller startup

[2:47:57] wineries. And we see this is activating

[2:47:59] both daytime and evening businesses in

[2:48:02] this neighborhood.

[2:48:05] the the floor plan shows um we're

[2:48:08] looking at food service deli type use

[2:48:11] oriented along Spring Street and then um

[2:48:14] having some opportunity. We call it the

[2:48:16] specialty retail area. This is we we're

[2:48:19] talking about olive oil, other local

[2:48:21] food type producers or even crafts

[2:48:23] people that could come in and lease some

[2:48:26] spaces that are affordable. And then the

[2:48:28] um retail and beer wine kiosks. These

[2:48:31] are very small spaces and I think what

[2:48:34] works for this model that we're hearing

[2:48:36] is being able to have this combined

[2:48:38] space, combined restrooms and having

[2:48:41] storage space on site for the small

[2:48:44] producers. I do, you may know I do a lot

[2:48:47] of work in the county on much bigger

[2:48:49] wineries and it's really expensive and

[2:48:52] hard for our startup smaller wine makers

[2:48:55] to enter into our local market.

[2:49:00] The area that's subject to the cup is

[2:49:02] highlighted on this slide. This is the

[2:49:04] um called the east end of the building.

[2:49:07] And this a meeting hall. We see this

[2:49:10] meeting hall as being able to be open to

[2:49:12] community groups. Somebody wants to do a

[2:49:14] little a bridal shower. One of the

[2:49:17] wineries wants to have a wine club

[2:49:19] party. It's a it's both a community

[2:49:22] space and also a space for the tenants

[2:49:25] in the building.

[2:49:27] Um, here's a side-by-side comparison of

[2:49:29] the exterior changes. I think we can all

[2:49:32] agree that the changes proposed in this

[2:49:34] application is a pretty pretty

[2:49:35] significant upgrade and we think it will

[2:49:37] be a benefit to the neighborhood in this

[2:49:40] this um side of town.

[2:49:43] Um, as noted originally, it's um I know

[2:49:47] um Katie listed the different auto uses

[2:49:50] and different uses that could happen on

[2:49:52] the property. I could tell you that uses

[2:49:54] that that we're looking to target is

[2:49:57] specific to this amendment is the the

[2:50:00] wine tasting uses and to allow those

[2:50:02] small kiosks. They currently aren't

[2:50:04] allowed in the T4F, but they are allowed

[2:50:06] in the TC2 and they could be done in the

[2:50:09] building right next to it that we're

[2:50:11] orient to that we share our access with.

[2:50:14] This slide shows the existing zoning and

[2:50:18] this slide shows proposed zoning. Um, I

[2:50:21] did some street view, um, which I think

[2:50:24] is helpful, showing here existing

[2:50:26] zoning. The blue zoning, um, existing

[2:50:29] zoning goes to the back of the building.

[2:50:31] And I'm showing the shared access. So,

[2:50:33] there's a 20ft easement on the property

[2:50:35] to the south for reciprocal access and a

[2:50:38] 10-ft easement on our property. So, it's

[2:50:41] common access between the building to

[2:50:43] the south and our building.

[2:50:48] And again, this is showing um showing

[2:50:50] that we're moving and we're moving the

[2:50:54] zoning boundary 73 feet. And it's it's

[2:50:57] not a big change. I think if this was

[2:50:58] looked at when the specific plan was

[2:51:00] being done and it was understood that

[2:51:02] there was the shared access and the

[2:51:04] orientation of the building, I think the

[2:51:07] group would have put the line where

[2:51:09] we're proposing to show it today because

[2:51:11] it makes sense just from a general

[2:51:13] planning perspective of where the where

[2:51:16] the dividing line should be based on the

[2:51:18] the how parcels interrelate.

[2:51:23] So, with our proposed zoning change, we

[2:51:25] think that this property is more in

[2:51:27] alignment um with the TC2 zone and it

[2:51:30] and it would allow the adaptive reuse of

[2:51:32] this aging strip mall and transform it

[2:51:35] into what we hope to be a commercial

[2:51:37] hub. Um the reuse of the building aligns

[2:51:41] to for a vibrant mixeduse um project and

[2:51:44] we think it really promotes the vision

[2:51:46] that the TC2 was looking for.

[2:51:49] And the purpose, I talked about this a

[2:51:51] little bit, but you know, we're not

[2:51:53] looking to bring in large wine tasting

[2:51:56] rooms that are bringing in a lot of

[2:51:58] traffic. These are really the the

[2:51:59] smaller wine makers and um brew masters

[2:52:03] that can't they can't enter into

[2:52:05] downtown. Downtown's um pretty expensive

[2:52:07] and there aren't openings and even

[2:52:09] trying to get into Tin City, there just

[2:52:11] isn't a space for them to be. And I know

[2:52:14] just from people that call my office

[2:52:16] that want to look at doing a winery,

[2:52:19] some of them are tasting in their living

[2:52:20] rooms because or in their garages. I

[2:52:23] don't legal or not, but that's what

[2:52:25] they're doing because of the reality of

[2:52:26] the cost and they're they're trying to

[2:52:28] get in. So we think u you working with

[2:52:30] the owner, Mr. Becker, it's just there's

[2:52:32] a need out there and he thinks that this

[2:52:34] could be successful for everyone.

[2:52:38] And then um back to affordability, not

[2:52:41] just for the f future tenants, but we're

[2:52:44] looking that this is an opportunity for

[2:52:47] people living in in in this

[2:52:49] neighborhood. We're going to have food

[2:52:51] service. The um and also food sales. I

[2:52:55] know I heard some concern about all this

[2:52:57] alcohol in proximity to this school, and

[2:53:00] I understand it, but this isn't intended

[2:53:02] to be a, you know, a traditional bar

[2:53:04] space or something like that. um it's

[2:53:07] really not that that's not what we

[2:53:09] envision it being and also having the

[2:53:11] opportunity for community gathering

[2:53:13] through that the use of um hopefully you

[2:53:16] know an affordable meeting space that we

[2:53:18] we think is needed

[2:53:20] and with that we think the project

[2:53:22] concluding um I we think it aligns with

[2:53:26] the uptown area and reading through your

[2:53:28] five-year economic development strategy

[2:53:30] we think that this aligns with some of

[2:53:32] those strategies that supports the local

[2:53:34] needs for businesses and We think it'll

[2:53:36] be a really good addition to the

[2:53:38] neighborhood. And that concludes my

[2:53:41] comments. Um, we do request that you

[2:53:43] support the planning commission

[2:53:44] recommendation. I know we did go into

[2:53:46] planning commission with a

[2:53:47] recommendation of denial.

[2:53:50] The planning commission did support it

[2:53:52] unanimously. You and there was a lot a

[2:53:55] backstory that went on with that with a

[2:53:57] development review committee and the

[2:53:59] application process. It from the

[2:54:02] beginning the applicant was very clear.

[2:54:03] He wanted to have the wine these wine

[2:54:05] tasting kiosks and started out in the

[2:54:09] application with a I think it was a

[2:54:10] community market where we could have 60%

[2:54:13] of the use to food stuff and then we

[2:54:15] could have 40% to other things. So he

[2:54:19] tried to squeeze the wine tasting into

[2:54:21] that other 40%. And when we got to DRC

[2:54:25] DRC's like no you know that's not that

[2:54:28] doesn't work if that's what you want to

[2:54:30] do. you know, amend your project to

[2:54:32] something else or come back and let's um

[2:54:34] put it through the right process and

[2:54:36] give it the right zoning. And so that's

[2:54:38] why we've taken the extra steps doing a

[2:54:40] general plan amendment in um zone

[2:54:42] change. You know, that's it's not an

[2:54:44] easy task and we know it's not easy as a

[2:54:46] decision maker for for your council, but

[2:54:49] we really do think it makes sense in

[2:54:51] this instance. And so that concludes my

[2:54:53] comments. We do have the property owner

[2:54:55] here and the architect and members of

[2:54:57] the applicant team. Thank you. Jamie, do

[2:55:00] you want questions of yourself first?

[2:55:01] Uh, I had one, but does council have

[2:55:04] anything? Chris B, go ahead.

[2:55:07] >> Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this,

[2:55:09] » Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this,

[2:55:09] that's fine, too. But, um, I didn't see

[2:55:11] anything with with dimensions. Uh, when

[2:55:14] you said small, can you give me just a

[2:55:16] rough idea of what the what the retail

[2:55:18] spaces are and the what the meeting

[2:55:20] space is and are those going to be

[2:55:22] demise walls or what's going to happen

[2:55:25] with that?

[2:55:25] >> Let me see if I've got the dimensions

[2:55:27] » Let me see if I've got the dimensions

[2:55:27] here.

[2:55:29] I think I have the floor plan

[2:55:38] and I will let Larry, if you would like

[2:55:40] to, if he doesn't mind, walk through the

[2:55:43] floor plans, but we have four kiosks.

[2:55:45] We'll just look at the square footage on

[2:55:47] on the screen. We've got four wine beer

[2:55:50] tasting kiosks and that. So, they're

[2:55:51] around 500 square foot each.

[2:55:53] >> Okay.

[2:55:53] » Okay.

[2:55:53] >> Okay. And then um the meeting room is

[2:55:57] » Okay. And then um the meeting room is

[2:55:57] around 1,500 square feet.

[2:55:59] >> Okay. So it's larger than I thought.

[2:56:01] » Okay. So it's larger than I thought.

[2:56:01] Okay.

[2:56:01] >> Good.

[2:56:02] » Good.

[2:56:02] >> It's a 8,000 foot building, right?

[2:56:04] » It's a 8,000 foot building, right?

[2:56:04] >> So yeah, I mean there there's room.

[2:56:06] » So yeah, I mean there there's room.

[2:56:06] There is room, but these are um again

[2:56:08] smaller. We're putting the that putting

[2:56:10] the um the retail beer and wine towards

[2:56:12] the rear of the building.

[2:56:14] >> Jamie had a question on the common area,

[2:56:17] » Jamie had a question on the common area,

[2:56:17] the outside open area. Um the the

[2:56:20] coverage area. Is that for basically uh

[2:56:23] anyone who wants to like for instance

[2:56:24] buy something to eat, come over there

[2:56:25] and sit down and eat it. Is that what

[2:56:27] it's about basically?

[2:56:28] >> Yeah, I would I would characterize the

[2:56:30] » Yeah, I would I would characterize the

[2:56:30] the center deck as the common space

[2:56:32] where if you grab a sandwich, you want

[2:56:34] to come sit down and eat outside or you

[2:56:37] get some olive oil to get some bread. Um

[2:56:39] but then the back deck, I think we'd

[2:56:41] look at that as being me more oriented

[2:56:43] for the um event space.

[2:56:45] >> Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any

[2:56:48] » Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any

[2:56:48] questions for Jan?

[2:56:50] >> Okay.

[2:56:51] » Okay.

[2:56:51] >> Okay.

[2:56:51] » Okay.

[2:56:51] >> You're off the hook.

[2:56:52] » You're off the hook.

[2:56:52] >> Larry, you wanted to address

[2:56:54] » Larry, you wanted to address

[2:56:54] >> anything you want to say?

[2:56:57] » anything you want to say?

[2:56:57] >> Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel

[2:57:00] » Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel

[2:57:00] Architects.

[2:57:02] Um, quickly, I guess.

[2:57:08] » Uh, the wine tasting areas are are

[2:57:11] modest. They're about 30 ft deep and

[2:57:14] about 20 ft wide. So, modest spaces. Um,

[2:57:19] hopefully, you know, it's going to have

[2:57:21] some tasting area and a little bit of

[2:57:23] storage, but it's not going to have

[2:57:24] barrel storage. It's going to have just

[2:57:25] some case goods and some of those kind

[2:57:26] of things. So, just again, just uh

[2:57:29] modest tasting rooms. Um, I wanted to

[2:57:33] address the uh residential uh issue a

[2:57:36] little bit. Uh, we did design the

[2:57:38] project before with uh 20 units in it.

[2:57:41] We took this building, we divided it up

[2:57:43] and uh took slices out of it for for

[2:57:46] patios and put in small studio units.

[2:57:50] And then in the back we did a little

[2:57:51] three-story building. And um we got

[2:57:54] every square foot you could possibly get

[2:57:56] out of that little piece of property.

[2:57:58] And it was just really cutting up the

[2:58:01] building and it just didn't pencil when

[2:58:03] we got done. So this basically is

[2:58:05] keeping the building intact. We're uh

[2:58:07] renovating it completely indoors,

[2:58:09] outdoors. Um, and but beyond that, also

[2:58:13] on the residential, if this building

[2:58:15] came down, there's a 10-ft setback on

[2:58:18] the northand side. There's 12t of backup

[2:58:21] space that you're giving up on the

[2:58:23] driveway. So, it it it narrows it down

[2:58:26] to something of 40 ft wide uh of working

[2:58:29] space to put build a building and uh and

[2:58:32] parking. It just doesn't pencil at all.

[2:58:35] We've done some um conceptuals on the

[2:58:38] building on the property next door which

[2:58:39] is much much larther. We looked at that

[2:58:41] and getting up to 60 60 units and it

[2:58:44] still hasn't been sold out for anybody

[2:58:45] in the last four years that we've been

[2:58:47] working on it. So the commercial uh will

[2:58:49] give this thing some life. It's been

[2:58:51] sitting vacant for a while. It's uh been

[2:58:54] uh it's been a while since it's been

[2:58:56] updated and so we think we've got the uh

[2:58:58] the package here that that'll be

[2:59:00] successful. So I'm here if you have any

[2:59:02] more questions. Larry, I have one real

[2:59:04] quick on the uh retail beer and wine.

[2:59:07] Are there going to be some sort of a

[2:59:08] closure on each one of those kiosks?

[2:59:12] >> Well, we had it closed up in the back

[2:59:13] » Well, we had it closed up in the back

[2:59:14] for storage and just an empty uh counter

[2:59:16] in the front.

[2:59:17] >> Okay.

[2:59:18] » Okay.

[2:59:18] >> Depending as we've done wineries and

[2:59:19] » Depending as we've done wineries and

[2:59:20] things, you know, some people just want

[2:59:21] to put a couple barrels and a 4x12

[2:59:22] across it and call it a countertop.

[2:59:24] Others want to get very exotic. So, um

[2:59:28] we've just seen a variety. So, we kind

[2:59:30] of leave it open, but we'll have a back

[2:59:33] uh storage closed off area to keep the

[2:59:35] case out of the way.

[2:59:36] >> Yeah, because it's a common hallway

[2:59:37] » Yeah, because it's a common hallway

[2:59:38] essentially, isn't it? I mean, when

[2:59:39] they're

[2:59:39] >> common way, we anticipate to have some

[2:59:41] » common way, we anticipate to have some

[2:59:41] kiosk in there. It's basically um an

[2:59:44] indoor uh um farmers market, if you

[2:59:48] will. There's some small spaces for

[2:59:50] people to sell local goods and candles,

[2:59:52] wine, uh I mean u olive oil, nuts, those

[2:59:56] kinds of things on a indoor space.

[2:59:59] >> Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the

[3:00:01] » Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the

[3:00:01] security. In other words, we talked a

[3:00:03] little bit about the school across the

[3:00:04] street and this will probably be open

[3:00:06] during school hours and and security if

[3:00:08] they weren't open if a particular kiosk

[3:00:10] was not open at the time.

[3:00:12] >> No, it would be I see it would be lock

[3:00:15] » No, it would be I see it would be lock

[3:00:15] that part would be locked up for sure,

[3:00:16] >> right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

[3:00:18] » right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah.

[3:00:18] >> Yeah. No access no access to the storage

[3:00:21] » Yeah. No access no access to the storage

[3:00:21] storage goods. Yeah.

[3:00:22] >> Very good. All right. Anyone else on

[3:00:24] » Very good. All right. Anyone else on

[3:00:24] Right.

[3:00:25] >> Anyone else?

[3:00:27] » Anyone else?

[3:00:27] >> Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open

[3:00:29] » Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open

[3:00:29] up to public comment for on this item.

[3:00:30] Please come forward, Linda.

[3:00:32] >> Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126

[3:00:34] » Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126

[3:00:34] Spring Street. Okay, I don't know. I've

[3:00:37] I am under the the understanding that

[3:00:40] this city is now 61% Hispanic. Mayor,

[3:00:43] you asked me a question when I

[3:00:44] interviewed for district 1. What would I

[3:00:46] do with North County? Well, what I said

[3:00:49] was from 24th Street to 101, people

[3:00:52] refer to that as Little Mexico. Okay.

[3:00:55] And I would like to see the Hispanic

[3:00:58] community have their own area in this

[3:01:00] city. So I'm against this project for

[3:01:03] this one reason. And I do know, Miss

[3:01:06] Bill, I read the agenda, so I knew it

[3:01:09] was under denial status when they

[3:01:11] recommended to the planning commission.

[3:01:13] My curiosity is why did the staff

[3:01:16] decline it? You don't want alcohol

[3:01:18] there? primarily when Flamson lets out.

[3:01:22] Dollar Tree already has a problem with

[3:01:24] the kids playing ball.

[3:01:28] Literally playing ball. I was there.

[3:01:31] They are destroying that store.

[3:01:35] The staff are overwhelmed. You put in

[3:01:38] little kiosk highass retail that you

[3:01:41] find 73 feet over, it's gonna get

[3:01:45] demolished.

[3:01:47] Literally. Okay. So, my concern is that

[3:01:51] I would like to see from 24th Street

[3:01:54] after the bridge all the way to 101 be

[3:01:56] the Hispanic community. I want to know

[3:01:59] how much the city u Mr. Sloan has

[3:02:01] outreached to the larger Hispanic

[3:02:04] corporations, grocery stores, anything

[3:02:07] like that that could come on in and buy

[3:02:09] the buildings just like everybody else

[3:02:12] can. I think it's very important that

[3:02:14] the Hispanic community has their own

[3:02:17] area and we are there.

[3:02:20] If you sell I will say this to the the

[3:02:23] person who's sell or buying this. If you

[3:02:25] serve Modello takers

[3:02:32] you serve wine you're going to get a

[3:02:34] trashed building. I feel for Dollar Tree

[3:02:37] every time I go in there. They are

[3:02:39] throwing their items around. property

[3:02:42] destruction is the number one issue they

[3:02:43] have. And you guys know that about me.

[3:02:46] When I walk into a store, I talk to

[3:02:47] everybody and ask them how they're

[3:02:49] doing. Chief Nord already knows and he

[3:02:51] has sent the police to drive around

[3:02:52] there at 2:00. So, I promise you, as

[3:02:55] soon as the kids get out, they are going

[3:02:57] to destroy that. How are they going to

[3:02:59] handle 50 kids coming into their deli?

[3:03:02] How are they going to handle 60 kids all

[3:03:04] wanting to eat on their deck?

[3:03:07] It is a security risk to put alcohol

[3:03:10] there. That is why all the stores are on

[3:03:13] the other end. Okay? So, I really hope

[3:03:16] that you guys start respecting the

[3:03:18] Hispanic community that is here. We're

[3:03:20] not going nowhere and we're going to

[3:03:22] keep growing. So, give us our community.

[3:03:26] Thank you,

[3:03:28] >> Dale. Welcome.

[3:03:30] » Dale. Welcome.

[3:03:30] >> Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this

[3:03:33] » Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this

[3:03:33] project. Uh I don't know if they're

[3:03:36] going to be able to get ABC to give them

[3:03:39] a license for alcohol, but that's uh

[3:03:42] their problem. Uh but it certainly that

[3:03:46] property is a definite eyesore the way

[3:03:48] it is. And if they can do something

[3:03:52] that's not going to be an eyesore, I'm

[3:03:54] for it.

[3:03:55] >> Thank you,

[3:03:58] » Thank you,

[3:03:58] >> Francisco. Welcome,

[3:04:03] » Francisco Ramirez, mayor, city council

[3:04:05] members. Thank you. Um, I for one, I

[3:04:09] don't speak for those other Hispanic or

[3:04:11] Latinos that were just mentioned earlier

[3:04:13] earlier. Um, as you know, I grew up here

[3:04:16] in Paso Robles. I went to Marie Bower

[3:04:19] and and Flamson and Pas Robles High

[3:04:22] School. Um, and I I I don't agree that

[3:04:26] there is security risk. I mean, since I

[3:04:30] remember going there sixth, seventh, and

[3:04:32] eighth grade, uh, there have always been

[3:04:34] a gas station right across the street

[3:04:37] that sells beer, sells alcohol, sells

[3:04:40] cigarettes. There's another one, Kitty

[3:04:42] Corner, right across the street that

[3:04:44] also sells alcohol and cigarettes. And

[3:04:47] that's never been a problem before. I

[3:04:49] mean, I remember getting out of Flamson

[3:04:51] and then running there and getting, you

[3:04:53] know, getting my gum and getting my

[3:04:54] sodas or Gatorade before I get home cuz

[3:04:57] I was seriously I was tired of school

[3:04:59] already. Um, so I I do approve of this

[3:05:02] and I want to say uh with the planning

[3:05:04] commission that already, you know,

[3:05:05] approved of this. I would like for you

[3:05:07] guys to support that and also our staff

[3:05:10] saying for you guys to approve this, I I

[3:05:12] would agree on that. Um and then also um

[3:05:16] before there was writ

[3:05:20] because I used to walk it. Um and that

[3:05:23] grocery store also had alcohol, had

[3:05:26] cigarettes. Um so I don't believe in

[3:05:30] that being a a risk there or security

[3:05:32] issue. There's always been alcohol and

[3:05:35] uh cigarettes available in that corner

[3:05:38] right in front of Flamson. As a former

[3:05:41] student of Flamson, one of my teachers

[3:05:43] is here, too.

[3:05:47] She knows that I always attended school

[3:05:50] and I ran out soon as that bell rang. I

[3:05:53] was going across the street to give me a

[3:05:55] drink or give me snacks or gum. So, I do

[3:05:58] approve and I wish you guys listen to

[3:06:00] our staff and to also our planning

[3:06:02] commission. Thank you.

[3:06:03] >> All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone

[3:06:07] » All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone

[3:06:07] else?

[3:06:09] All right, we'll close public comment.

[3:06:10] Bring it back to

[3:06:12] >> Yeah, we got one more.

[3:06:14] » Yeah, we got one more.

[3:06:14] >> Come on in, John.

[3:06:15] » Come on in, John.

[3:06:15] >> Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at

[3:06:19] » Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at

[3:06:19] Flamson for quite a few years

[3:06:23] and um my only concern quite frankly

[3:06:27] right now

[3:06:29] beyond the alcohol situation because

[3:06:32] quite frankly I don't think it's going

[3:06:34] to go uh I don't think they'll approve

[3:06:37] uh the location that close to Flamson

[3:06:42] but there are other issues there that

[3:06:46] haven't really been uh aired that I'm

[3:06:50] concerned about.

[3:06:52] I live on Rosemary Drive right next to

[3:06:57] Almond Acres.

[3:06:59] We have uh 58 homes in that uh area and

[3:07:06] over a 100 cars of our own. And the

[3:07:10] things that unite us is trying to get

[3:07:13] out of that area.

[3:07:17] uh

[3:07:18] at 7:00 to about 8:30

[3:07:22] we can't get out to our own work. Uh

[3:07:26] coming home, same type of thing. And

[3:07:29] we're working on that and we'll continue

[3:07:33] to actively uh look at the safety uh

[3:07:38] situation.

[3:07:40] The thing that bothers me about this is

[3:07:44] the question of potential

[3:07:47] traffic problems, especially going on to

[3:07:51] uh

[3:07:52] Spring Street.

[3:07:54] If we go ahead and do this project, we

[3:07:59] have to have more ways of getting in and

[3:08:03] out besides one driveway.

[3:08:08] Okay. The second part that concerns me

[3:08:12] is what's going to happen when parents

[3:08:15] come and the buses come to drop off the

[3:08:19] students and then around 3:00 come to go

[3:08:23] ahead and pick them up. Now, if that

[3:08:28] problem can be solved,

[3:08:31] great. Let's do it. But until then,

[3:08:36] with my own experience on Rosemary

[3:08:39] Drive, uh, it becomes a real safety

[3:08:43] issue. Thank you.

[3:08:45] >> Thank you, Tim.

[3:08:47] » Thank you, Tim.

[3:08:47] Okay. Anyone else in the audience?

[3:08:50] Anyone online? Melissa?

[3:08:51] >> No, sir.

[3:08:52] » No, sir.

[3:08:52] >> Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it

[3:08:54] » Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it

[3:08:54] back to council for discussion and or

[3:08:57] action on this item.

[3:09:00] >> Go ahead, Chris.

[3:09:02] » Go ahead, Chris.

[3:09:02] You want to start?

[3:09:03] >> I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's

[3:09:06] » I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's

[3:09:06] comments and uh the presentation by

[3:09:09] Jamie. This is tricky because of sort of

[3:09:12] the boundary on those zoning areas. Um

[3:09:15] and the way, you know, I'm going to be

[3:09:17] approaching all of these land use

[3:09:21] decisions that we're making like what

[3:09:23] does the community need? And I think

[3:09:26] it's a it's a unique location with some

[3:09:29] unique needs.

[3:09:32] And uh like what was mentioned with uh

[3:09:35] some of my colleagues, you know, the the

[3:09:38] need for resident residential is very

[3:09:41] important. And I appreciate that maybe

[3:09:44] it didn't pencil out in the uh through

[3:09:46] the architecture process. Um but that

[3:09:49] does not negate the fact that the

[3:09:52] community needs housing. The community

[3:09:55] needs child care and especially the

[3:09:59] community needs lots of things and I'm

[3:10:01] not sure if this particular project it

[3:10:03] is beautiful. It is an improvement from

[3:10:07] an aesthetic standpoint but I'm not sure

[3:10:10] if it's what the Uptown uh center needs.

[3:10:14] >> Thank Chris Fred.

[3:10:17] » Thank Chris Fred.

[3:10:17] >> Yeah. Well, I have a little different

[3:10:19] » Yeah. Well, I have a little different

[3:10:19] point of view and

[3:10:22] I understand Linda's

[3:10:24] understanding about the Hispanic

[3:10:26] community, but I I'm not in favor of

[3:10:29] creating gilders and I'm more for

[3:10:31] integration, not segregation. And I

[3:10:34] appreciated Francisco saying as much too

[3:10:37] that the Hispanic they've worked very

[3:10:38] hard to try to integrate this Hispanic

[3:10:40] community with the white community, not

[3:10:43] segregated. And I think that's very

[3:10:45] important that we have to treat each

[3:10:47] other equally and and not create

[3:10:50] things situations like that.

[3:10:54] I respect the architect and his opinion

[3:10:57] about about residential. If it doesn't

[3:11:00] pencil, it doesn't pencil. And it's as

[3:11:03] simple as that. You can't make the

[3:11:06] property unusable.

[3:11:08] And it really looks like this is about

[3:11:10] the only practical use for that property

[3:11:13] as it currently exists. Now, if it was

[3:11:16] purchased by one of the neighboring

[3:11:17] properties and integrated into a

[3:11:18] neighbor neighboring property, that's a

[3:11:21] whole different story. But as long as it

[3:11:23] is a single property owner and stands

[3:11:25] alone, I think this may be the best use

[3:11:28] possible.

[3:11:30] >> Good. Prom Gregory.

[3:11:33] » Good. Prom Gregory.

[3:11:33] >> Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that.

[3:11:35] » Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that.

[3:11:36] I think one of the issues that's really

[3:11:37] important on this property that's

[3:11:39] unusual is the access, the ingress and

[3:11:42] the egress. It's a shared egress in um

[3:11:46] ingress. I've been visiting that

[3:11:48] property for years for my friends who

[3:11:50] owned Western Courts and if traffic is a

[3:11:54] concern, they has they had a dance

[3:11:56] school in the back with lots of traffic

[3:11:58] coming and going. And um I really think

[3:12:01] it's important to for a property to be

[3:12:04] developed to attract business. It's the

[3:12:08] dream of the owners to make something

[3:12:10] that's going to work. And a couple

[3:12:12] really nice benefits of this project,

[3:12:14] they've got the food specialty in the

[3:12:16] deli in the front, the wine and beer

[3:12:19] tasting in the back, and then they have

[3:12:21] this public meeting room where they

[3:12:22] might even let Linda George have a

[3:12:24] meeting if she asks. Anyway,

[3:12:27] but it's kind of a perfect use because

[3:12:30] the property right next door is heavily

[3:12:32] commercial where they used to

[3:12:33] manufacture all the lights and um I

[3:12:36] think it's a great project and I'm ready

[3:12:38] to make a motion if somebody else wants

[3:12:40] >> Chris.

[3:12:43] » Chris.

[3:12:43] Well, thank you for for waiting for just

[3:12:44] a moment. Um

[3:12:47] I've I've always been a private property

[3:12:50] rights person. Always. Um, I think it's

[3:12:54] up to the individual property owner to

[3:12:56] make a decision whether or not the the

[3:13:00] land

[3:13:02] uh the neighborhood city will support

[3:13:05] their vision uh and make a viable

[3:13:08] project. Uh I respect the property

[3:13:11] owners uh time and investment in uh

[3:13:15] acquiring the property in developing uh

[3:13:17] new plans for the property. uh those

[3:13:20] those have to be respected. I appreciate

[3:13:23] Mr. Gabriel taking the time to look at

[3:13:27] uh perhaps uh making a residential use

[3:13:30] out of it. Does not appear that that's

[3:13:32] uh viable. You have to respect that. Uh

[3:13:37] we cannot will not legislate property

[3:13:40] owners into what they have to do. And

[3:13:42] we're going to be taking up another

[3:13:43] project here or another topic later on

[3:13:46] this evening. um similar themes will

[3:13:48] come into play. I think we we have to go

[3:13:51] forward uh if this is within the current

[3:13:54] state um of of what our rules and

[3:13:58] regulations uh will will allow. I I

[3:14:01] think it's it's proper for us to

[3:14:03] consider this. Um to Miss George's

[3:14:06] point, if if you think you know the uh

[3:14:09] uptown or the project or plan should be

[3:14:13] amended, make that a project. Um, but I

[3:14:17] I don't think you can hope for that to

[3:14:19] happen in the future and make it

[3:14:21] retroactive to this project today. Um,

[3:14:24] so with with due respect for for your

[3:14:27] suggestion. Um, with that, I'll let Mr.

[3:14:29] Gregory.

[3:14:31] >> Well, I was going to weigh in too.

[3:14:32] » Well, I was going to weigh in too.

[3:14:32] Again, I I very supportive of the

[3:14:34] project. I mean, I believe I know the

[3:14:36] original owners of this building, too,

[3:14:38] and I think they're probably close to 70

[3:14:40] years old, if not 60 at least. uh and to

[3:14:43] see uh architect Gabriel come up with a

[3:14:47] design that really improved that whole

[3:14:48] property is amazing. I I really think

[3:14:50] it's going to be much improved uh to the

[3:14:53] the area with regard to, you know,

[3:14:56] having that TC2 just contiguous to that

[3:15:01] lot. We can have the same use there, but

[3:15:03] not uh on the north side of the of the

[3:15:06] line. It doesn't make sense to me. It's

[3:15:08] all in the same unit pretty much. not to

[3:15:10] means that you know they're going to

[3:15:11] have wine sales there but they could

[3:15:13] have sales there. So I think that uh

[3:15:16] it's an you know to me opportunity for

[3:15:20] small entrepreneurs to show their wares

[3:15:22] and if it's not wine it could be

[3:15:24] something else and um having a food uh

[3:15:27] place there too along with outside

[3:15:28] seating I think again it's a great use

[3:15:30] along with some meeting room space. So u

[3:15:33] very impressive Larry uh what you did

[3:15:35] there. So I'm uh I'm good and supportive

[3:15:38] with. So Councilman Gregory if you'd

[3:15:40] like to make a motion. Um,

[3:15:42] I just want to compliment um, Jamie Kirk

[3:15:44] and the owner of this project for

[3:15:46] design. It's really nicely done. It'll

[3:15:49] be a nice improvement. So, I'm going to

[3:15:51] move that we approve resolution 25XXA

[3:15:54] to approve the general plan amendment

[3:15:57] 25-01

[3:15:58] and a specific plan amendment 251.

[3:16:02] >> Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and

[3:16:05] » Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and

[3:16:05] second by Strong. I'm going to second

[3:16:08] that.

[3:16:08] >> Second by Strong. Okay.

[3:16:10] » Second by Strong. Okay.

[3:16:10] Now I will call for the motion on the

[3:16:12] first resolution.

[3:16:13] >> Council member Gregory I.

[3:16:15] » Council member Gregory I.

[3:16:15] >> Council member Strong I.

[3:16:16] » Council member Strong I.

[3:16:16] >> Council member Bosch.

[3:16:17] » Council member Bosch.

[3:16:17] >> Hi.

[3:16:18] » Hi.

[3:16:18] >> Council member Val.

[3:16:19] » Council member Val.

[3:16:19] >> No. Mayor Hammond.

[3:16:20] » No. Mayor Hammond.

[3:16:20] >> I.

[3:16:21] » I.

[3:16:21] >> Motion passes.

[3:16:22] » Motion passes.

[3:16:22] >> Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move

[3:16:26] » Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move

[3:16:26] that we approve the resolution 25XXX

[3:16:29] B to approve the conditional use permit

[3:16:32] 24-10

[3:16:34] for private meeting facility site plan

[3:16:36] review 2413 for the physical changes to

[3:16:39] the site and building.

[3:16:41] >> Second.

[3:16:42] » Second.

[3:16:42] >> Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by

[3:16:44] » Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by

[3:16:44] Bosch. Discussion.

[3:16:46] >> Okay. Call for the question on that.

[3:16:47] » Okay. Call for the question on that.

[3:16:47] >> Council member Gregory.

[3:16:49] » Council member Gregory.

[3:16:49] >> I.

[3:16:49] » I.

[3:16:49] >> Council member Bosch.

[3:16:50] » Council member Bosch.

[3:16:50] >> I.

[3:16:51] » I.

[3:16:51] >> Council member Beal.

[3:16:52] » Council member Beal.

[3:16:52] >> No. Council member Strong.

[3:16:53] » No. Council member Strong.

[3:16:53] >> I.

[3:16:54] » I.

[3:16:54] >> Mayor Hammond.

[3:16:55] » Mayor Hammond.

[3:16:55] >> Hi.

[3:16:55] » Hi.

[3:16:55] >> Motion passes.

[3:16:57] » Motion passes.

[3:16:57] >> Very good. Well, thank you.

[3:16:59] » Very good. Well, thank you.

[3:16:59] >> Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll

[3:17:01] » Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll

[3:17:01] take a recess.

[3:24:18] church.

[3:24:22] » Can everybody take their seats? We'll go

[3:24:24] ahead and get started again.

[3:24:30] [Music]

[3:24:48] Okay, we'll go ahead and reconvene the

[3:24:50] meeting if everybody take a quiet.

[3:24:54] We'll begin with discussion items uh

[3:24:57] tonight. Number one, it's going to be a

[3:24:59] legislative update and review regarding

[3:25:02] food truck regulations. So, who has

[3:25:04] that? Warren

[3:25:07] >> or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[3:25:10] » or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[3:25:10] Um, Warren Fre, community development

[3:25:12] director. I'm just going to do a brief

[3:25:13] introduction on this item. Um, we have

[3:25:16] two of our city planners here tonight,

[3:25:18] Katie Banister and Piper Smith. They've

[3:25:20] both been working really hard to get

[3:25:22] this item ready for um, discussion

[3:25:25] tonight. So Piper will be making the

[3:25:27] presentation, but both Piper and Katie

[3:25:30] are available to answer questions as

[3:25:31] they come up. So Piper, take it away.

[3:25:35] >> Good evening, mayor and council members

[3:25:37] » Good evening, mayor and council members

[3:25:37] and audience here with us today. Um, I'm

[3:25:39] here to discuss a the food truck

[3:25:41] regulations update and review.

[3:25:46] So what is a food truck?

[3:25:49] Here are some examples of what we would

[3:25:51] consider a food truck. Um, per our code,

[3:25:54] it is defined as a vending vehicle

[3:25:55] selling food and or beverages um in an

[3:25:58] operable motorized coach or trailer with

[3:26:00] a current DMV registration and a current

[3:26:02] food safety permit acceptable to the St.

[3:26:04] Louis Bispo County Health Service

[3:26:06] Division. Um, as you can tell, these

[3:26:09] photos reflect both trailers and trucks

[3:26:11] themselves. So, the trailers are often

[3:26:13] accompanied by personal vehicles.

[3:26:17] What is not considered a food truck by

[3:26:18] our code um are merchandise booths um

[3:26:23] carts booths popups caterers selling

[3:26:27] food. So these are non-motorized um

[3:26:29] these often tend to be in public right

[3:26:31] of way. Um therefore they do not fit

[3:26:34] into the definition of what we consider

[3:26:35] a food truck.

[3:26:39] So the current city permitting process

[3:26:41] step one is to obtain an approved mobile

[3:26:43] food facility permit through the county

[3:26:44] of St. less abyspo.

[3:26:47] Then mobile food facility operators take

[3:26:50] that county mobile food facility permit

[3:26:52] and apply for a city business license to

[3:26:54] operate within city limits.

[3:26:57] That business license is routed to

[3:26:58] industrial waste to acknowledge the fat,

[3:27:01] oil, and grease and discharge

[3:27:02] requirements. And it is routed to the

[3:27:04] planning department to acknowledge

[3:27:06] operational requirements and obtain the

[3:27:08] appropriate food truck permit.

[3:27:12] and renewal and inspection is required

[3:27:14] every year for both that mobile food

[3:27:16] facility permit and the business

[3:27:17] license.

[3:27:20] So to touch on the first step, the

[3:27:22] county of St. Louis Bispo public health

[3:27:24] department mobile food facility permits.

[3:27:26] I do want to emphasize that they

[3:27:28] regulate food preparation, health and

[3:27:30] safety and facility occupancy. They do

[3:27:32] not regulate where or when they can

[3:27:36] operate. That is to the discretion of

[3:27:38] the jurisdiction they are within. They

[3:27:40] are also required to submit a restroom

[3:27:42] use agreement annually if they're

[3:27:44] conducting business on a site for 1 hour

[3:27:47] or more. Um, and that restroom must be

[3:27:49] in 200 ft proximity to the vehicle um,

[3:27:52] and available for use for employees and

[3:27:55] contain um, appropriate hand sanit hand

[3:27:58] sanitizing facilities.

[3:28:00] In addition to that, a commissary use

[3:28:02] agreement is required to be submitted

[3:28:03] annually and this acknowledges the food

[3:28:06] truck storage, waste disposal and

[3:28:09] servicing and cleaning facility. So upon

[3:28:11] obtaining that mobile food facility

[3:28:13] permit, you are acknowledging that you

[3:28:14] are working in conjunction with a

[3:28:16] commissary use or you have an

[3:28:19] alternative approved commissary or food

[3:28:21] preparation facility in conjunction with

[3:28:23] your food truck. Here on the image of

[3:28:25] the right, you can see that every food

[3:28:28] truck that has received a health permit

[3:28:30] through the county of St. Louis Bispo is

[3:28:32] required to have a sticker similar to a

[3:28:35] DMV registration sticker with the

[3:28:37] expiration date, the date of permitting,

[3:28:39] and it's very clearly displayed on the

[3:28:41] truck during all hours of operation.

[3:28:46] So within title 21, the zoning code,

[3:28:49] food truck food trucks fit into four

[3:28:51] tiers. So there is the short-term which

[3:28:53] is a single vehicle operating on one

[3:28:55] location 7 days or less they are

[3:28:58] required to have that business tax

[3:29:00] certificate and um acknowledge the

[3:29:02] operational requirements for food trucks

[3:29:04] which we'll get into. Then moving to the

[3:29:06] second tier if a food truck is operating

[3:29:08] between 7 days but no more than a year

[3:29:11] they are required to obtain a temporary

[3:29:12] use permit through the planning

[3:29:14] department. It is approved through staff

[3:29:16] level review um as well as have that tax

[3:29:18] certificate and acknowledge those

[3:29:20] requirements. In the long term is a

[3:29:23] single vehicle operating one location

[3:29:25] one year or more. This requires a site

[3:29:27] plan approval through development review

[3:29:28] committee

[3:29:30] and require a tax certificate and those

[3:29:32] operational requirements.

[3:29:35] And lastly, we do have food truck courts

[3:29:37] which are two or more trucks operating

[3:29:38] on a single site. This does not

[3:29:40] acknowledge any specific time limit, but

[3:29:42] it is subject to a conditional use

[3:29:44] permit approval through planning

[3:29:45] commission in addition to having that

[3:29:47] tax certificate and meet those

[3:29:49] requirements outlined in the guidelines.

[3:29:53] I do want to note that there has not

[3:29:57] been an active site plan or conditional

[3:30:00] use permit since the code update. Um, so

[3:30:02] we have been mostly focusing on the

[3:30:04] short-term and the medium-term food

[3:30:06] truck operations.

[3:30:16] So the operational guidelines required

[3:30:19] for all food trucks operating within

[3:30:20] city limits are as followed. They must

[3:30:22] be located on private property. So they

[3:30:24] are not allowed to be in public

[3:30:25] rightways.

[3:30:27] They are required to get property owner

[3:30:28] written approval. So this is different

[3:30:31] from the business owner um approval that

[3:30:33] may be operating on site. They can be

[3:30:35] different in some cases. So we do

[3:30:37] require property owner written approval.

[3:30:40] They have to be accessory to a permanent

[3:30:42] commercial business. Um so if it is a

[3:30:44] vacant lot or if the business is going

[3:30:46] out of business um that would not be

[3:30:48] allowed. They have to be on paved

[3:30:50] surface parking. Um so they cannot be on

[3:30:54] um gravel. However, if it is an approved

[3:30:57] parking service that is allowed.

[3:31:00] They are required to remove all litter

[3:31:03] uh within a 25 perimeter and on

[3:31:06] property.

[3:31:08] They are not allowed to discharge any

[3:31:10] liquid on site during operation. That is

[3:31:12] part of the commissary use. Um staff did

[3:31:15] determine that no temporary shade

[3:31:17] structures are allowed. Um this is to

[3:31:20] kind of reduce the encroachment onto

[3:31:22] those parking surfaces and parking um

[3:31:25] existing commercial spaces as well as

[3:31:27] comply to the county of St. Fispo's

[3:31:30] requirement of no food preparation

[3:31:32] outside of the mobile food facility.

[3:31:35] Food trucks are also subject to the

[3:31:37] noise provision of the zoning code

[3:31:38] chapter 2182. Um something that has been

[3:31:41] brought to light during this discussion

[3:31:42] in internal review is at first it was

[3:31:45] staff made the determination that

[3:31:46] generators commonly used for food trucks

[3:31:48] do not meet those guidelines. Um

[3:31:50] typically so in the uptown and the

[3:31:52] commercial zone properties the evening

[3:31:55] decibel levels about 55

[3:31:58] um normal average generators

[3:32:01] output about 70 to 100 dB. There are

[3:32:04] inverters that are in that 50 to 70

[3:32:06] range. That is something I wanted to

[3:32:08] bring to the council's attention to

[3:32:09] discuss tonight.

[3:32:12] They are required to establish hours of

[3:32:14] operation. However, there is not a set

[3:32:16] maximum or minimum.

[3:32:19] They cannot impact circulation,

[3:32:23] nor can they block any points of ingress

[3:32:25] or egress.

[3:32:27] And no overnight equipment storage is

[3:32:29] allowed. So again, in conjunction with

[3:32:31] needing a commissary or equivalent

[3:32:32] approved by county of slow, um they

[3:32:35] cannot store equipment on that site

[3:32:36] they're operating on.

[3:32:40] So here we have a map of some of the

[3:32:42] common locations that food trucks have

[3:32:44] been noted around the city. Um there are

[3:32:46] currently 23 active food truck business

[3:32:49] tax certificates. Um in the past 3

[3:32:51] months, April to June, there were about

[3:32:53] 36 code compliance cases regarding

[3:32:55] mobile vendors. The map displays you can

[3:32:58] really see and they tend to be along

[3:33:00] major corridors. So you have Spring,

[3:33:01] Cresten, Niblick, Union. Um these are

[3:33:04] all areas where again they've just been

[3:33:05] kind of spotted out and about and have

[3:33:07] brought to attention to by our

[3:33:08] department.

[3:33:13] So some challenges that code compliance

[3:33:15] has faced um we adopted the food truck

[3:33:18] regulations in around October of 2024.

[3:33:21] Previously, they were under the umbrella

[3:33:23] of temporary food service. And although

[3:33:26] if they operated for over seven days,

[3:33:28] they were still required to abide by the

[3:33:30] temporary use permit requirements in

[3:33:32] terms of not having any adverse effect

[3:33:34] on the zoning or impacting public health

[3:33:36] and safety as well as any other

[3:33:38] conditions staff deemed appropriate for

[3:33:40] that temporary use permit. They did not

[3:33:42] have their own section in the code

[3:33:44] specifically for food trucks that we

[3:33:45] defined earlier.

[3:33:47] So, something that code compliance has

[3:33:49] brought to our attention um is they were

[3:33:51] having typic difficulty enforcing and

[3:33:53] regulating the 7-day time limit and what

[3:33:56] permit they needed. Um so, during

[3:33:58] internal discussion, they did deem that

[3:34:00] needing a temporary use permit or um

[3:34:03] those higher up site plans, condition

[3:34:05] use permit based on the specific request

[3:34:07] uh may be a good use for all food trucks

[3:34:10] in order to have those regulations on

[3:34:12] site. Make sure that the operator

[3:34:14] acknowledges those necessary

[3:34:17] operating requirements um and not have

[3:34:21] to continually keep track of a 7-day

[3:34:24] time frame and track where these

[3:34:25] specific companies and trucks are.

[3:34:31] So through discussion uh staff has taken

[3:34:34] some action

[3:34:36] preemptively to any sort of changes. Um

[3:34:39] we have created a web page dedicated

[3:34:42] specifically to food trucks. So this

[3:34:43] outlines the operational guidelines,

[3:34:45] what is and is not allowed, as well as

[3:34:48] the application and material for

[3:34:49] permits. We are also working on updating

[3:34:53] a dedicated food truck temporary use

[3:34:55] permit application so that operators can

[3:34:58] acknowledge those requirements before

[3:34:59] obtaining any permit um knowing kind of

[3:35:02] what to expect through that review

[3:35:03] process.

[3:35:05] Similarly, we are creating a permit that

[3:35:08] is to be kept on site during operation.

[3:35:10] So while code compliance goes out and

[3:35:12] communicates and facilitates discussion

[3:35:13] with these operators, they have a permit

[3:35:15] on site with them. They can go through

[3:35:17] and ensure that they're meeting all

[3:35:18] requirements.

[3:35:20] Internally, we are also creating shared

[3:35:22] databases and tracking to ensure that we

[3:35:25] are all on the same page of who's

[3:35:26] allowed to be where and what we have

[3:35:28] going on in the city. Um, as well as

[3:35:30] other ongoing process improvements and

[3:35:32] more to be made following this

[3:35:33] discussion tonight.

[3:35:38] So the option city council has tonight

[3:35:40] is to receive and file this report

[3:35:42] direct staff to return to city council

[3:35:43] with an amendment to pastor robel's

[3:35:45] municipal code section food trucks and

[3:35:47] food truck court requiring tup for all

[3:35:50] food trucks operating within pass robels

[3:35:52] to establish an ad hoc committee of the

[3:35:55] city council to facilitate a more

[3:35:56] focused review um gather additional

[3:35:58] input for food trucks or provide

[3:36:00] alternative feedback or direction to

[3:36:02] staff recommendation is option two to

[3:36:07] direct staff to return to city council

[3:36:09] with that amendment. Um to require a

[3:36:11] temporary use permit for all food trucks

[3:36:13] operating within pass robels and any

[3:36:15] other amendment city council may want to

[3:36:17] pursue. Again, this would require staff

[3:36:19] to come back to city council. So, no

[3:36:20] immediate changes would be made to the

[3:36:22] code. Or option three, establish an ad

[3:36:25] hoc committee of the city council to

[3:36:27] facilitate a more focused review and

[3:36:29] gather additional input.

[3:36:32] And any questions?

[3:36:33] >> All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up

[3:36:36] » All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up

[3:36:36] on my left. Anyone start?

[3:36:38] >> Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you

[3:36:40] » Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you

[3:36:40] so much for that presentation. It

[3:36:42] actually looks like some points are

[3:36:44] being clarified from some of the early

[3:36:47] iterations of the website. I have some

[3:36:50] process and content questions. Um,

[3:36:54] in and this might be a question for

[3:36:55] Katie or Warren, I don't know who, but

[3:36:57] in the development of this ordinance,

[3:37:00] did the consultant or staff

[3:37:03] or planning commission consult with any

[3:37:07] operators of a food truck just to kind

[3:37:10] of ground truth how this might work and

[3:37:14] if it might work.

[3:37:16] >> So, the temporary use permit standards

[3:37:17] » So, the temporary use permit standards

[3:37:17] were adopted with the grand overhaul of

[3:37:20] the zoning code. It was a very small

[3:37:21] chapter within a lot of what we were

[3:37:24] doing. Previous to that, previous to

[3:37:26] putting it in the code, we were we staff

[3:37:29] had made an interpretation that these

[3:37:31] were um uh um temporary food service and

[3:37:34] we were issuing temp uh temporary use

[3:37:36] permits and routinely using these

[3:37:39] requirement, you know, putting these

[3:37:40] requirements on food trucks. So, we put

[3:37:42] them into the zoning code so that

[3:37:44] council could say, "Yes, this is the

[3:37:45] appropriate these are the appropriate

[3:37:47] conditions for a food truck." And so,

[3:37:49] now they are in the code. They have been

[3:37:51] the practice the policy of the city for

[3:37:53] some time but um but they're now in the

[3:37:55] code right so this was adopted in

[3:37:58] October

[3:38:00] um did was any effort made to reach out

[3:38:03] to

[3:38:04] uh operators business owners around that

[3:38:07] time beginning of the year was there any

[3:38:09] effort to reach out to HBA to get

[3:38:12] information out or try to educate the

[3:38:14] people that are affected by this

[3:38:16] >> so even though the code is new the

[3:38:18] » so even though the code is new the

[3:38:18] standards have been the same so when

[3:38:19] someone comes in for a business license,

[3:38:21] we ask them if they intend to operate

[3:38:23] some somewhere for a period of time and

[3:38:25] we were routinely told no, they were not

[3:38:27] going to operate in one location. So, we

[3:38:29] were not issuing very many temporary use

[3:38:31] permits, but but folks when they came in

[3:38:33] for a business license were asked that

[3:38:35] information.

[3:38:37] >> Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the

[3:38:40] » Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the

[3:38:40] complaints that you'd gotten. So, April,

[3:38:43] May, it sounds like can you characterize

[3:38:47] in general what they looked like?

[3:38:49] Yeah. So PD um held most of the

[3:38:52] complaints that were received and a lot

[3:38:54] of those only via statistical data was

[3:38:56] passed all along as well as kind of um

[3:38:58] through the grapevine just general

[3:39:00] curiosity and understanding. Um so it

[3:39:03] was more we got involved in the

[3:39:05] conversation of the police department

[3:39:07] wanting to better communicate to um

[3:39:10] mobile vendors and food truck operators

[3:39:12] of those guidelines. So, a lot of um

[3:39:15] curiosity about what are these new

[3:39:18] guidelines, how do I comply, what

[3:39:20] department do I have to go to? In terms

[3:39:22] of specific complaints, um there are

[3:39:24] none that I necessarily had received.

[3:39:27] So, we had uh new new code in October,

[3:39:30] complaints, springish,

[3:39:33] enforcement

[3:39:35] happening actively in Julyish.

[3:39:39] And when did the website get get uh

[3:39:42] started?

[3:39:45] >> Um I we put it together a couple weeks

[3:39:47] » Um I we put it together a couple weeks

[3:39:47] ago and then we uh it went live maybe

[3:39:50] two weeks ago um in an effort to

[3:39:53] communicate.

[3:39:54] >> Right. So the website went live after

[3:39:56] » Right. So the website went live after

[3:39:56] the enforcement began

[3:39:57] >> after we started receiving complaints

[3:39:59] » after we started receiving complaints

[3:39:59] and it became an issue of concern.

[3:40:03] Was the website available when you

[3:40:04] started calling people to tell them that

[3:40:06] they had new new rules that they had to

[3:40:08] follow? No, we did have handouts that we

[3:40:09] gave people at the counter when they

[3:40:11] came in. We had them translated um both

[3:40:13] in English and Spanish. So when they

[3:40:14] came in for a business license, we would

[3:40:16] give that information, but we did not

[3:40:18] have a website. No.

[3:40:19] >> Okay. So I mean I have other sort of

[3:40:21] » Okay. So I mean I have other sort of

[3:40:21] details, but overall

[3:40:24] I just think that um

[3:40:28] I'll save my comments for later. So

[3:40:29] thank you,

[3:40:31] >> Councilman Strong.

[3:40:32] » Councilman Strong.

[3:40:32] >> Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that

[3:40:35] » Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that

[3:40:35] I'm only acquainted with one site very

[3:40:36] well. That's site number 12 on your map.

[3:40:39] Okay. And site number 12, we have two

[3:40:41] interesting situations. And I'm

[3:40:43] wondering about some of your

[3:40:44] regulations. So, one of one of these

[3:40:46] vehicles uh doesn't prepare any food at

[3:40:48] all. They are just selling snacks out

[3:40:51] out of a a permanent location. I mean,

[3:40:54] it's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a

[3:40:56] week, but it's not motorized and it's

[3:41:00] not hooked up to any vehicle. It's just

[3:41:02] sitting there. And it's only open in the

[3:41:04] afternoons, evenings. as like snacks for

[3:41:07] after after work things like that or

[3:41:10] people over in the mobile home park etc.

[3:41:12] The other one is only there a few days a

[3:41:14] week and only during basic basically

[3:41:17] lunch hour an extended lunch hour for a

[3:41:20] number of of businesses there that have

[3:41:23] manufacturing. They have large employee

[3:41:26] number of employees but no cafeterias no

[3:41:29] lunchroom no place for them to get food

[3:41:31] except something like this. So, uh, it

[3:41:35] is motorized, but the parking lot is

[3:41:40] either a travel way or parking spaces

[3:41:43] that's paved. They're on a a graveled or

[3:41:46] level area that isn't paved, but it's

[3:41:50] the only one that doesn't impact the

[3:41:52] parking or or travel ways. So, I'm

[3:41:54] wondering why would that be a problem?

[3:41:58] >> So, for the first scenario, um, the

[3:42:00] » So, for the first scenario, um, the

[3:42:00] county of St. Bispo would categorize

[3:42:03] permanent as a um unenclosed mobile food

[3:42:07] facility and those tend to be more um

[3:42:09] packaged foods like you were saying

[3:42:10] pre-prepared. Um they do have a little

[3:42:12] bit more guidelines. So as previously

[3:42:14] mentioned um these requirements are

[3:42:16] strictly for on private property

[3:42:18] motorized um enclosed mobile food

[3:42:20] facilities by using county of St. Louis

[3:42:22] Bispo's definition. Um therefore, if it

[3:42:25] were to fit into C the category of um uh

[3:42:30] sidewalk fending, then we may put it

[3:42:32] into another boxy. For your second um

[3:42:36] example, that is where the discussion

[3:42:37] with code compliance comes in of as long

[3:42:40] as they are able to acknowledge um the

[3:42:42] requirements and say we have a temporary

[3:42:45] use permit for all operators for

[3:42:47] understanding those guidelines. Um that

[3:42:49] tracking of who's where would be a

[3:42:51] little bit more efficient. um in terms

[3:42:53] of making recommendations on the

[3:42:55] operational guidelines and that is to

[3:42:57] the city council today to see if maybe

[3:43:00] um parking surface or material is

[3:43:01] something for consideration.

[3:43:03] >> Okay. And I'm wondering about this the

[3:43:05] » Okay. And I'm wondering about this the

[3:43:05] shade structure.

[3:43:07] It gets very hot in the middle of the

[3:43:08] summer here. Shade structure is

[3:43:11] something that protects people's health.

[3:43:14] >> Why would that not be allowed if it was

[3:43:16] » Why would that not be allowed if it was

[3:43:16] properly secured?

[3:43:19] >> Can you speak on that? Um so it was

[3:43:23] » Can you speak on that? Um so it was

[3:43:23] mostly in terms of similar to your

[3:43:25] previous point um encroaching on that

[3:43:27] parking spaces and some concern that

[3:43:29] we've been brought up about um competing

[3:43:33] with brick and mortar businesses not

[3:43:34] creating a restaurant-like environment

[3:43:36] in open spaces.

[3:43:37] >> What if it didn't encroach on any

[3:43:39] » What if it didn't encroach on any

[3:43:39] parking though

[3:43:41] >> for that one?

[3:43:42] » for that one?

[3:43:42] >> What if it didn't encroach on any

[3:43:44] » What if it didn't encroach on any

[3:43:44] parking?

[3:43:44] >> That would be yeah up to consideration

[3:43:47] » That would be yeah up to consideration

[3:43:47] again for city council recommendation.

[3:43:48] And so then if it would possibly be

[3:43:50] allowed.

[3:43:51] >> Yes.

[3:43:51] » Yes.

[3:43:51] >> Okay. Thank you very much.

[3:43:54] » Okay. Thank you very much.

[3:43:54] >> Okay. I'll start with Councilman Bosch.

[3:43:59] » So thank you for for the research and

[3:44:01] presenting. I have a question regarding

[3:44:04] um one of your suggestions for

[3:44:06] consideration and that's the ad hoc

[3:44:08] committee forming a two member ad hoc

[3:44:11] committee. Okay. Okay, so I get that for

[3:44:13] Brown Act violations, but why only or it

[3:44:16] says here solely of two city council

[3:44:18] members

[3:44:20] uh can site numerous examples of having

[3:44:23] members of the public be part of the ad

[3:44:24] hoc committee in the past? Um your

[3:44:28] what's the nexus of of just limiting it

[3:44:31] to city council?

[3:44:34] >> Council, you can can establish the ad

[3:44:36] » Council, you can can establish the ad

[3:44:36] hoc with whatever membership you would

[3:44:38] like to to have that. You know, this was

[3:44:40] one suggestion of how we might tackle

[3:44:41] the the issue.

[3:44:43] >> I if we go down that path, I just see

[3:44:45] » I if we go down that path, I just see

[3:44:45] lots of of of people on both sides of

[3:44:47] the question out here in the audience

[3:44:49] tonight that I would really like to

[3:44:52] value their input on an ad hoc

[3:44:54] committee.

[3:44:55] >> A benefit of an ad hoc committee would

[3:44:57] » A benefit of an ad hoc committee would

[3:44:57] allow for public input and participation

[3:44:59] in any meetings.

[3:45:00] >> Thank you.

[3:45:01] » Thank you.

[3:45:01] >> Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel

[3:45:04] » Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel

[3:45:04] members on a uh subcommittee, then it

[3:45:06] becomes a brown act committee and all

[3:45:07] meetings would have to be noticed.

[3:45:09] that that didn't seem to be a problem

[3:45:11] with the parking committee. So, yeah, I

[3:45:13] I'd acknowledge that. And

[3:45:14] >> and and I guess if I could, I would just

[3:45:16] » and and I guess if I could, I would just

[3:45:16] add to the thought process behind that

[3:45:18] was to just to create some clarity that

[3:45:20] the committee would be made up of the

[3:45:21] two council members, but that the public

[3:45:25] would be able to participate. It it was

[3:45:27] it was staff's intent though that the

[3:45:29] membership of the committee is just the

[3:45:30] two members. Just for clarity sake,

[3:45:32] who's on the committee? Who's off the

[3:45:34] committee? I'll tell you going through

[3:45:35] the the the parking ad hoc there I think

[3:45:38] was some confusion on who is technically

[3:45:41] a part of that committee and this was a

[3:45:43] way to just clarify that the two council

[3:45:45] members of the committee and that the

[3:45:46] public will be able to have full

[3:45:48] participation.

[3:45:49] >> Not not to put too fine a point on it

[3:45:50] » Not not to put too fine a point on it

[3:45:50] but I I'm just very sensitive to the to

[3:45:53] the appearance of of transparency in

[3:45:56] everything that that this council does.

[3:46:00] >> Agreed. And I think that's why we went

[3:46:01] » Agreed. And I think that's why we went

[3:46:01] down to the level of detailing what we

[3:46:03] thought would be the best recommendation

[3:46:05] for this this committee should it be

[3:46:06] formed.

[3:46:09] >> Prote.

[3:46:10] » Prote.

[3:46:10] >> Yes. Um thank you for your your work in

[3:46:12] » Yes. Um thank you for your your work in

[3:46:12] your report. Um, so I don't want to

[3:46:16] point out a food truck in particular,

[3:46:18] but there's something missing for one of

[3:46:21] our very I would call state-of-the-art

[3:46:23] food trucks, and that is somebody who

[3:46:26] goes and pulls up to the baseball fields

[3:46:28] and provides food for the kids and

[3:46:30] parents that play. And it's on a

[3:46:33] concrete. It's on an asphalt surface,

[3:46:35] but it's next to a field. There's no

[3:46:37] businesses around there. And it provides

[3:46:41] an incredible service. and benefit for

[3:46:44] the public. And so I think that's one of

[3:46:46] the things that we could address maybe

[3:46:48] as an ad hoc or something because and I

[3:46:50] don't know how you deal with that but

[3:46:51] maybe recreational events or something

[3:46:53] like that. So um I just wanted to make a

[3:46:56] question was that considered in your

[3:46:58] thoughts?

[3:46:59] >> Yes. So community events um are

[3:47:02] » Yes. So community events um are

[3:47:02] permitted through the parks and

[3:47:03] recreation department and so food trucks

[3:47:05] in conjunction to those events tend to

[3:47:07] be permitted through that department.

[3:47:09] Okay. We are currently working through a

[3:47:10] little bit of a gray area of what if

[3:47:12] it's not a community event but on city

[3:47:14] property and determining the best path

[3:47:16] to move forward with those very specific

[3:47:17] cases.

[3:47:18] >> Very good. That answers my question.

[3:47:20] » Very good. That answers my question.

[3:47:20] Thank you.

[3:47:21] >> Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a

[3:47:23] » Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a

[3:47:23] little bit about location and uh the way

[3:47:26] I believe this works is that the food

[3:47:28] truck has to have permission of the

[3:47:30] property owner that they're sitting on.

[3:47:32] Um and we call that as a city one

[3:47:36] location. In other words, um up to 7

[3:47:39] days they can be in that location, but

[3:47:41] if they move the truck slightly off of

[3:47:43] that location physically to the maybe

[3:47:46] the other end of the property, does that

[3:47:48] constitute a change in location or is it

[3:47:51] still as far as the city's concerning

[3:47:53] one location?

[3:47:55] >> In our eyes, it has just constituted as

[3:47:57] » In our eyes, it has just constituted as

[3:47:57] one location being within the premise.

[3:47:59] um say a food truck exceeds that 7-day

[3:48:01] limit and they do come in for a

[3:48:03] temporary use permit. They are required

[3:48:04] to provide a site plan showing the

[3:48:06] location of that um food truck mostly to

[3:48:09] comply with the no blocking egress or

[3:48:11] the circulation. Um however, that would

[3:48:13] be something to take into consideration,

[3:48:15] >> right? And then the other thing too is

[3:48:17] » right? And then the other thing too is

[3:48:17] you know if they park their

[3:48:20] vehicle right on the property line and

[3:48:21] then you have the sidewalk right there.

[3:48:24] Um that is there what kind of scenario

[3:48:27] does the city have to regulate something

[3:48:28] like that where the patrons of that

[3:48:31] service truck is going to obviously be

[3:48:34] uh people impacting walking on the

[3:48:36] sidewalk to get around the people that

[3:48:38] are waiting for you know food. How does

[3:48:40] that work in regard to

[3:48:43] >> that's definitely the the reason that we

[3:48:44] » that's definitely the the reason that we

[3:48:44] process these temporary use permits and

[3:48:46] get a site plan is so that we can make

[3:48:47] sure that as Piper said they're not

[3:48:49] blocking an emergency access and that

[3:48:51] they're not you know too close to the

[3:48:53] sidewalk, they're not too close to a gas

[3:48:55] dispensing

[3:48:58] you know the gas valve um those kinds of

[3:49:00] things. So that's what we're

[3:49:01] troubleshooting for by asking for a site

[3:49:03] plan. So, what it sounds to me is the

[3:49:06] staff is definitely looking to have some

[3:49:07] sort of a temporary uh tool, temporary

[3:49:10] use permit tool to regulate and to be

[3:49:13] able to handle this. And I imagine the

[3:49:14] 36 complaints that we've had are related

[3:49:17] to location and and being close to other

[3:49:21] things that they're impacting that. Is

[3:49:23] that the reason for bringing this up? I

[3:49:25] guess that staff would like to have more

[3:49:27] clarity.

[3:49:28] >> We we can assume so. I think the biggest

[3:49:30] » We we can assume so. I think the biggest

[3:49:30] point to consider is the um transparency

[3:49:32] and the communication between both the

[3:49:34] community development department, the

[3:49:36] police department and food truck

[3:49:37] operators and ensuring that um those

[3:49:40] operational requirements are being

[3:49:42] followed through on um and communicating

[3:49:44] effectively in terms of what permit do I

[3:49:46] need, how do I obtain this, what viable

[3:49:48] sites there are for to meeting those

[3:49:50] requirements and so forth.

[3:49:52] So it comes down to the question I guess

[3:49:54] uh you know we could go with an ad hoc

[3:49:58] uh or we can actually work it within

[3:50:00] council to give you direction on what to

[3:50:01] do to come back for future meeting.

[3:50:03] Those are basically the two things

[3:50:05] tonight.

[3:50:05] >> Yes. And one way to consider it is say

[3:50:08] » Yes. And one way to consider it is say

[3:50:08] you are prepared to make a determination

[3:50:09] on how you would like staff to be move

[3:50:11] forward and come back to council. Um

[3:50:13] that could be first recommendation of um

[3:50:17] approving the directing staff to make

[3:50:20] different motions and come back. Um and

[3:50:21] that ad hoc committee could be you want

[3:50:23] to stew on it. You want to discuss a

[3:50:25] little bit more. You want to get a

[3:50:26] little bit more public and staff input

[3:50:27] before then um giving staff direction.

[3:50:30] >> Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments.

[3:50:33] » Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments.

[3:50:34] We'll talk about that later. Um Chris B.

[3:50:38] Uh I have a question on um with the the

[3:50:42] permission of the property owner if if a

[3:50:44] property and this might be a better

[3:50:46] question for for council uh legal

[3:50:49] counsel. Um if a if a business has a

[3:50:53] triple net lease, we'll say and they

[3:50:56] control all facets of the property. Why

[3:50:58] do we require the property owners

[3:51:01] permission?

[3:51:02] We would definitely accept some sort of

[3:51:04] authorization if they showed us a lease

[3:51:06] that showed this that they had the right

[3:51:07] to to make those kinds of signatures. We

[3:51:09] would absolutely accept. Okay. Yeah.

[3:51:11] >> Thank you.

[3:51:13] » Thank you.

[3:51:13] >> Okay. Good.

[3:51:14] » Okay. Good.

[3:51:14] >> Anyone else?

[3:51:15] » Anyone else?

[3:51:15] >> Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll

[3:51:18] » Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll

[3:51:18] go ahead come up and we'll talk about

[3:51:20] this item. First up, Linda.

[3:51:22] >> Hi.

[3:51:23] » Hi.

[3:51:23] I'll be fast. Linda George, 3126 Spring

[3:51:26] Street. Um,

[3:51:30] food carts are not in this ordinance.

[3:51:34] I came tonight. I'm actually excited

[3:51:35] about this. I really believe in the food

[3:51:38] vendors and the food carts because, you

[3:51:40] know, I I don't want to tell anybody how

[3:51:42] to make their money and um, I know some

[3:51:44] of the food carts have been connected to

[3:51:47] the cartel in the larger cities. The

[3:51:49] benefit is is we don't have to redo

[3:51:51] this. If we get LA's ordinances,

[3:51:54] um, Oakland's ordinances, San

[3:51:56] Francisco's ordinance on their food

[3:51:58] vendors and their cards, then we can do

[3:52:00] a really good foundation so that this

[3:52:03] doesn't become like the short-term

[3:52:05] rentals where regulation becomes a

[3:52:07] problem later. So, I came simply tonight

[3:52:10] to say I recommend the ad hoc committee

[3:52:12] for no more than 6 months. I think 6

[3:52:15] months is enough for everybody in this

[3:52:18] room. and then to add food carts into

[3:52:20] this and and then everybody will feel

[3:52:23] that they've been heard. That's all.

[3:52:25] >> Thank you.

[3:52:28] » Thank you.

[3:52:28] >> Welcome.

[3:52:32] » Good evening, Mayor Hammond, members of

[3:52:34] the council. My name is Bill Sailor. I

[3:52:36] reside at 1824 Ponderosa Lane. My wife

[3:52:40] and I own and operate Yaba Dogs and

[3:52:43] Catering.

[3:52:44] Um, I wrote all these thoughts, but I I

[3:52:48] need to address some things here.

[3:52:51] I'm looking at

[3:52:53] what was in your packet, the staff

[3:52:56] report.

[3:52:58] It says temporary shade structures.

[3:53:01] Temporary shade structure shall be

[3:53:03] removed whenever the food truck is not

[3:53:05] in operation.

[3:53:08] That's not what that says up there. It

[3:53:11] says no. Period. So, what you have in

[3:53:15] your ordinances that were approved in

[3:53:17] October of 2024 or yeah, 24 is different

[3:53:22] than what we're all seeing up here right

[3:53:24] now,

[3:53:25] which is kind of confusing if you're the

[3:53:27] food truck owner operator. Secondly, we

[3:53:32] started our business in 1986.

[3:53:35] We've had a city of Paso's business

[3:53:37] license every year since. I have never

[3:53:42] had anybody approach me and say, "Where

[3:53:46] are you going to be located?

[3:53:48] How many days of a week are you going to

[3:53:50] be there?" The current ordinances that

[3:53:54] are in place are not even being

[3:53:57] enforced,

[3:54:00] which I have to question.

[3:54:02] I'm sorry, but I do. Um,

[3:54:09] in the report it also says that staff

[3:54:11] has taken steps to outreach to the

[3:54:14] community of food vendors.

[3:54:18] Well, the first thing I heard about food

[3:54:20] truck issues and that there was going to

[3:54:22] be a meeting. I received a postcard in

[3:54:25] the mail on Janu July 28th. That was

[3:54:30] last Monday. That was the first time I'd

[3:54:32] ever heard that this was even an issue.

[3:54:35] First time I heard that there was

[3:54:36] actually ordinances.

[3:54:39] I received a phone call on Thursday,

[3:54:42] July 28th from a member of the Pasro

[3:54:44] Police Department

[3:54:46] telling me that I was not in compliance

[3:54:49] and that I was going to have to apply

[3:54:51] for a TUP,

[3:54:54] temporary use permit.

[3:54:57] She asked me for my email address. I

[3:55:00] gave it to her. Today is August 5th. I

[3:55:03] haven't received anything yet.

[3:55:09] Um,

[3:55:11] in the third paragraph of the analysis

[3:55:14] and conclusion

[3:55:16] um

[3:55:18] portion of the

[3:55:22] Now I got to find it. Excuse me for just

[3:55:24] a second.

[3:55:30] in the third paragraph of the analysis

[3:55:32] and conusion uh conclusions.

[3:55:36] >> Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you

[3:55:37] » Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you

[3:55:37] would.

[3:55:38] >> Yeah, I just want to I want to point

[3:55:40] » Yeah, I just want to I want to point

[3:55:40] this out. Conversely, local restaurants

[3:55:42] have expressed concerns about food

[3:55:44] trucks undercutting their businesses

[3:55:46] with lower overhead cost.

[3:55:49] There's two business models here, brick

[3:55:51] and mortar and food trucks.

[3:55:55] You chose as a restaurant to open up

[3:55:58] brick and mortar. That was your choice.

[3:56:01] It was my choice to open up a food

[3:56:02] truck. I didn't open it up to undercut

[3:56:05] your business. I opened it up because I

[3:56:07] wanted to have my own business.

[3:56:10] That um I'll just let it go from there.

[3:56:14] I just I think that the city council

[3:56:16] needs to approve the uh going with the

[3:56:19] ad hoc.

[3:56:21] >> Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually

[3:56:23] » Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually

[3:56:23] have input from the business people.

[3:56:26] >> Very good. Thank you.

[3:56:28] » Very good. Thank you.

[3:56:28] >> Welcome.

[3:56:29] » Welcome.

[3:56:29] >> Hello everybody. My name is Jerry

[3:56:31] » Hello everybody. My name is Jerry

[3:56:31] Torres. I'm business owner on 1463

[3:56:34] Kristen Road

[3:56:37] this way. Uh my concerns as well is as

[3:56:39] everybody here is legally have done all

[3:56:41] the food parts properly. We've noticed

[3:56:43] that there's a lot that come from LA and

[3:56:45] different parts and taken up a lot of

[3:56:48] the business that we have. We just

[3:56:49] recently opened on Spring Street and

[3:56:51] down the road on 34th in Crestston as

[3:56:53] well as the park on 36. They keep

[3:56:56] posting up these mobile food, not

[3:56:58] trucks, but carts and they're doing

[3:57:01] everything. So, as the pictures that

[3:57:03] were showing up there, which one are the

[3:57:04] ones that are correct and the ones that

[3:57:06] are not? Those are the ones that are

[3:57:07] coming in and embarking a lot especially

[3:57:10] in the summer and taking up a lot of the

[3:57:12] business as well as where for them that

[3:57:14] are doing it right following the right

[3:57:16] protocols and going through the right

[3:57:18] processes makes it so difficult and hard

[3:57:21] for us and as well as brick and mortar

[3:57:23] like the gentleman was saying there's

[3:57:24] two options to do it but doing it the

[3:57:26] right way whereas unfortunately they're

[3:57:28] coming in and taking everything and you

[3:57:31] know making it difficult for all of us

[3:57:33] in regards to us going through the

[3:57:35] health department working with the

[3:57:37] police department. Unfortunately,

[3:57:38] they're only here until 4:00 and after

[3:57:41] that there's they gotten smart enough to

[3:57:42] show up in all these places and taking

[3:57:44] it up at Barney's at the park in 36 as

[3:57:47] well as 34th and so on. They did a great

[3:57:50] job with NibLick and everything on here

[3:57:52] with those um fruit stands, but they've

[3:57:55] realized that they're moving and what

[3:57:56] we've talked to the health department.

[3:57:58] They've started from Saliso going all

[3:58:00] the way up and looks like we're doing a

[3:58:02] great job, but it's getting to the edge.

[3:58:04] They're moving into San Miguel. Um, but

[3:58:06] that's what I wanted to say here. Thank

[3:58:08] you for your time.

[3:58:09] >> Thank you.

[3:58:12] » Welcome.

[3:58:16] » Uh, Edardoard Santiago, private citizen.

[3:58:20] Um, first of all, I would like to thank

[3:58:21] uh the council uh for giving us the

[3:58:23] opportunity uh to speak. Um, I would

[3:58:26] just like to uh urge uh staff to uh be

[3:58:29] transparent about what these fees for

[3:58:31] the permits will be used and also um

[3:58:34] inquire whether there would be an

[3:58:35] analysis of some sort of what um the

[3:58:38] impact uh food trucks have on brick and

[3:58:40] mortar and how that friction can be

[3:58:42] alleviated. Thank you.

[3:58:44] >> Thank you,

[3:58:48] » Maria. Welcome.

[3:58:50] >> Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the

[3:58:52] » Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the

[3:58:52] Hispanic Business Association.

[3:58:54] Um, one thing I just the first time we

[3:58:58] heard about this situation was um on

[3:59:02] Facebook and a lot of the food trucks

[3:59:04] calling us. Um, I don't feel that um the

[3:59:09] HBA was giving any heads up. I wish that

[3:59:12] we could have been included in the

[3:59:14] community outreach. Um we get a lot of

[3:59:17] um our members are calling us and asking

[3:59:20] us what's going on and um we didn't we

[3:59:24] just said come to the meeting tonight.

[3:59:26] We posted it on our website. We post it

[3:59:27] on our Facebook page and so we I would

[3:59:31] like to see an ad hoc committee so we

[3:59:32] can get some more of the input from from

[3:59:35] our members and from the food truck that

[3:59:37] are here tonight. Thank you for

[3:59:39] listening.

[3:59:40] >> Thank you.

[3:59:47] Welcome.

[3:59:48] >> Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just

[3:59:50] » Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just

[3:59:50] speaking in behalf of the food truck

[3:59:51] vendors. Again, some of us, you know, we

[3:59:54] try to again go by the rules, get our

[3:59:57] business licenses, be on the partner's

[3:59:59] property, and somehow like the other

[4:00:02] person were saying, we were removed from

[4:00:05] where we were because of certain

[4:00:07] circumstances. Like here I was on a

[4:00:09] singular location and somehow there's a

[4:00:11] gas station. There was something with a

[4:00:14] generator. So I talked to the owner

[4:00:15] about getting a plugin so there be no

[4:00:18] noise and still somehow the regulations

[4:00:21] are very hard for some of us. So being

[4:00:23] removed and there's a lot of vendors

[4:00:25] they're not following you know the

[4:00:27] guidelines like we are but somehow we

[4:00:29] were removed. We want to know if there's

[4:00:31] a way uh you guys can see more in

[4:00:34] consideration of all the food truck

[4:00:35] vendors trying to follow the guidelines

[4:00:37] and we can somehow get places we can be

[4:00:40] sitting at and you know uh be okay so

[4:00:43] the city council will follow up on this

[4:00:45] and give us more of an issue regarding

[4:00:49] to the food truck vendors that we're

[4:00:50] trying to get all the guidelines going

[4:00:52] around. Thank you.

[4:00:53] >> Thank you.

[4:00:56] » Welcome.

[4:00:58] >> Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna

[4:01:00] » Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna

[4:01:00] Rodriguez. I am the owner of a

[4:01:02] restaurant at 1214 Pine Street in Paso.

[4:01:05] Um, we have proudly been serving the

[4:01:08] community for 27 years myself for the

[4:01:11] past four years. So, I'm newer to the

[4:01:13] scene and to the existing competition

[4:01:16] between brick and mortar restaurants,

[4:01:18] um, park events, community events, the

[4:01:21] fair, being a rob, all of the movings

[4:01:25] and goings of the, um, of the community.

[4:01:27] Um but I am very watchful and open to

[4:01:32] all perspectives of um our

[4:01:34] relationships.

[4:01:35] Um I

[4:01:38] have been invested in creating a

[4:01:41] location that um invests into the heart

[4:01:43] of our city. Um it contributes jobs. It

[4:01:46] contributes um to the vibrancy and

[4:01:48] characters that draw locals and tourists

[4:01:50] alike to our downtown corridor. Um I

[4:01:54] really appreciate the initiation of this

[4:01:55] conversation. I think the transparency

[4:01:57] and the movement towards

[4:02:01] making success, whether it's small or

[4:02:04] large or medium, making success

[4:02:07] accessible to every person is incredibly

[4:02:10] important. Whether you have the ability

[4:02:13] to fill out all of these forms digitally

[4:02:16] or you're writing it down, um,

[4:02:18] accessibility is in very important. So,

[4:02:21] the addition of that website is great.

[4:02:24] I've been googling it and looking for

[4:02:25] the information for a long time and now

[4:02:27] it's there. So, thank you for that step.

[4:02:29] Um,

[4:02:31] the brick andmortar restaurants in the

[4:02:33] BIA do take on an additional substantial

[4:02:37] and ongoing 50%

[4:02:40] higher in um, business license fees. We

[4:02:44] are part of um the assessments that fund

[4:02:49] our city and infrastructure and vents.

[4:02:52] Even at a state level, we are incurring

[4:02:54] costs for tourism to California which

[4:02:57] are benefiting everyone. So I feel like

[4:03:00] it is important to have a clear um

[4:03:03] regulation and conversation about where

[4:03:07] food trucks can be um invited to sell. I

[4:03:10] go to them. I love them. They're part of

[4:03:13] me. But I also have to protect um my

[4:03:17] competitive spirit in this situation.

[4:03:19] Um, I highly encourage the council to

[4:03:22] create an ad hoc committee to include

[4:03:25] members of um, I mean, even as a

[4:03:28] football mom, you know, I wouldn't

[4:03:30] really want a burger truck outside of

[4:03:32] the um, hound hut. I'm grand, sorry. Um,

[4:03:37] out of the hound hut because we're going

[4:03:38] to be competing on um, our audience of

[4:03:41] who's going to be buying and supporting

[4:03:42] our hounds as well. Um, so this isn't a

[4:03:46] call to eliminate food trucks. I just

[4:03:48] want to um make sure that we have a

[4:03:49] thoughtful balance between us. Um you

[4:03:53] know, brick and mortar are really

[4:03:55] important downtown especially. I'm not

[4:03:57] saying this is a nimi thing, not in my

[4:03:58] backyard. I don't want them. But if we

[4:04:00] have an absence of those locations and

[4:04:02] open storefronts, that's a detriment to

[4:04:04] our economy and to our city as a whole.

[4:04:06] So, thank you for your time and I look

[4:04:08] forward to being involved in.

[4:04:10] >> Thank you,

[4:04:15] » Francisco.

[4:04:17] Thank you, uh, mayor and council

[4:04:19] members. Francisco Ramirez, resident of

[4:04:21] Paso Roles, also with the Hispanic

[4:04:24] Business Association.

[4:04:26] Um, so, um, like like Maria mentioned

[4:04:30] earlier. Um, look at this place right

[4:04:34] now. Look at the time it is right now.

[4:04:37] Um, I want to ask your permission, city

[4:04:39] council, if I can also translate

[4:04:42] something uh to to to them, to our

[4:04:45] people that's here, to our guests that

[4:04:47] are Spanish speaking with your

[4:04:48] permission. Um, cuz I know we all we all

[4:04:51] get 3 minutes, but in translation time

[4:04:54] goes by. Um, so if if it's allowed, I I

[4:04:58] will do so to everyone that's here so

[4:05:00] they can also understand uh what's going

[4:05:02] on right now. Also, if I may,

[4:05:06] >> if you prefer, go ahead, Francis.

[4:05:08] » if you prefer, go ahead, Francis.

[4:05:08] >> Okay.

[4:05:19] foreign.

[4:05:31] Soch.

[4:05:45] [Music]

[4:06:12] Um,

[4:06:44] Okay. Um, so I I mentioned that

[4:06:47] something that we all want because I

[4:06:49] spoken to them like Maria said, we've

[4:06:51] been getting phone calls um the last two

[4:06:54] weeks about this. Um, and something that

[4:06:57] they mentioned and has been brought up

[4:06:59] is they

[4:07:02] they want clarity.

[4:07:04] They want to know what permits are

[4:07:08] needed, where to go apply for the

[4:07:11] permits, what can be done, and what

[4:07:16] regulations are going to happen so that

[4:07:18] there's less confusion. Cuz like earlier

[4:07:21] they said, um, you guys started this in

[4:07:23] October 2012. Uh and then again in April

[4:07:26] and then enforcement started in July.

[4:07:28] Some of them came to me saying, "Hey, uh

[4:07:31] uh Francisco, I I got a fine that the

[4:07:34] the police department came by and they

[4:07:36] said I couldn't be at the parking lot.

[4:07:38] I've been there. I got permission from

[4:07:40] from from the owner, from the manager,

[4:07:43] and then they came back and said I

[4:07:45] couldn't be there doing business and

[4:07:47] I've been doing it, and I got all my

[4:07:49] other permits. I got my health permit. I

[4:07:51] got my business permit, but they're

[4:07:53] saying it's not." So they're they're

[4:07:55] they're asking they they all are here

[4:07:58] and they want clarity. They want to

[4:08:01] continue to do business and they want

[4:08:04] clarity from you guys saying where do I

[4:08:07] get the permit? How do I go about and

[4:08:09] what need what can we do to continue

[4:08:11] doing business? Um so that's that's what

[4:08:14] everybody's asking. Um some of the

[4:08:17] things the points I want to um bring up

[4:08:20] uh there was a issue I read um or or was

[4:08:24] reported by staff about the restrooms.

[4:08:26] Um restrooms uh because I I I help out

[4:08:30] some restaurants also that has to do

[4:08:32] with food prepping not at the location

[4:08:36] where the food is being. It's just being

[4:08:38] heated up and served. So that that part

[4:08:42] I disagree with. uh having to need

[4:08:44] restrooms at these locations where the

[4:08:47] food prepping is not being done. They

[4:08:49] already have a health permit to provide

[4:08:52] food for their food trucks and that's

[4:08:55] where it's done. It's at commissary

[4:08:57] location. Um so that does not go with

[4:09:00] with this uh generators. Well, uh food

[4:09:03] trucks, they need electricity. They

[4:09:06] can't function without electricity

[4:09:08] besides just the burners and the gas for

[4:09:10] the for the grills. They also need

[4:09:13] electricity to work in conjunction. So,

[4:09:16] um I really disagree with the part about

[4:09:19] generators not being able to have it

[4:09:20] because you need electricity to work a

[4:09:23] mobile unit. Um

[4:09:26] shade structure like like uh council uh

[4:09:29] Strong said um they need shade with this

[4:09:32] hot weather especially in Pasoles. It's

[4:09:35] hot all the time. We need that shade to

[4:09:38] be protected. Um,

[4:09:41] another note, yeah, I would like to be a

[4:09:44] part of the Anthog Cut uh committee uh

[4:09:48] as well as other stakeholders as as

[4:09:50] mentioned before. Um, you know, and find

[4:09:53] out about special events cuz we do uh

[4:09:55] diutos here at the Pasrobo City Park

[4:09:58] that the city gives us permission to do

[4:10:01] so to celebrate culture and bring in

[4:10:03] food and yaba dog has always been part

[4:10:06] of us there. Um, and I would like to be

[4:10:10] have that, you know, specified, you

[4:10:12] know, well, we got permits to bring in,

[4:10:14] uh, you know, food trucks to our events.

[4:10:17] Does that also go with this? Um, one

[4:10:20] more thing, can we also take into

[4:10:23] consideration an outreach from

[4:10:25] customers? Are you just getting

[4:10:27] complaints from uh, you know, certain

[4:10:30] restaurant owners or businesses? Well,

[4:10:32] are we getting any complaints from

[4:10:34] customers? Thank you, Francis Ramirez.

[4:10:36] Thank you.

[4:10:41] Welcome.

[4:10:43] >> Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco

[4:10:45] » Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco

[4:10:45] Maris Elgordo. I do have a question. We

[4:10:48] already have the permit. We're not

[4:10:50] against doing any type of permits that

[4:10:52] is required. But if the property owner

[4:10:55] is giving us a space where we can put

[4:10:57] tables and we can be there and set up

[4:10:59] and do whatever we need to do cuz

[4:11:01] they're charging rent from us. We're not

[4:11:04] just sitting there and not paying. We're

[4:11:06] paying rent. We're paying electricity.

[4:11:08] We're we we have to have the generators.

[4:11:11] Uh we also pay for the commercial

[4:11:13] kitchen that we rent in order to be uh

[4:11:17] having the health department and all the

[4:11:19] requirements. We don't mind doing all

[4:11:21] the permits that are u needed. The only

[4:11:26] thing is that what that has to do with

[4:11:28] us having a table there for our

[4:11:29] customers cuz they request they're like,

[4:11:31] "Oh, do you need a table so we can have

[4:11:33] a drink while we wait for the food? and

[4:11:36] they request for shade and like it's hot

[4:11:39] and uh that's the only thing that it

[4:11:42] comes to me like if we're paying the

[4:11:44] property owner they giving us a letter

[4:11:46] they give us certain space and like

[4:11:48] accommodations for us to be there why

[4:11:51] can't we use the space to in order to

[4:11:55] bring people to us to pay our rent cuz

[4:11:58] it's not cheap $1,500 a month and that's

[4:12:03] just to be there making food. We pay

[4:12:05] another eight to a,000 for the uh

[4:12:09] commercial kitchen. It's not cheap. And

[4:12:12] to right now to run business, it's not

[4:12:15] an easy like sometimes we go in park, we

[4:12:18] only make $100, $150.

[4:12:22] Not every day is uh productive and we

[4:12:25] still have to be paying rent in order to

[4:12:28] be there. That's that's my concern. And

[4:12:31] if we we could do the permits, we don't

[4:12:34] mind, but we need like accommodations

[4:12:37] for us to in order to make the money. We

[4:12:39] still pay sales tax. We still pay the

[4:12:42] city permit, health department permits,

[4:12:45] everything else that it comes to it. And

[4:12:47] it's not cheap. It adds up. Even if us

[4:12:50] having tables, canopies, and everything,

[4:12:53] everything costs money. and we try to

[4:12:56] accommodate people, but we need some

[4:12:58] sort of uh regulations, too. Thank you.

[4:13:02] >> Thank you, Karina.

[4:13:07] Anyone else?

[4:13:09] >> Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back

[4:13:11] » Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back

[4:13:11] to anyone online.

[4:13:12] >> I have several callers online. Uh first

[4:13:14] » I have several callers online. Uh first

[4:13:14] is Jeffrey Weisinger.

[4:13:17] Uh

[4:13:17] >> Jeffrey, can you hear us?

[4:13:20] » Jeffrey, can you hear us?

[4:13:20] >> Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

[4:13:22] » Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.

[4:13:22] >> Yes. Go ahead. Um,

[4:13:25] » Yes. Go ahead. Um,

[4:13:25] uh, yeah. Uh, thank you. I'm sorry I

[4:13:27] couldn't be there, uh, in person. I was,

[4:13:29] uh, at another event supporting other

[4:13:31] local businesses. And, uh, as you guys

[4:13:33] have, uh, been able to see, this is a

[4:13:36] important issue in our community. Uh, I

[4:13:39] want to start out by advocating for

[4:13:41] option three, the ad hoc committee. I

[4:13:44] think this is probably one of the

[4:13:45] easiest decisions that we need to make.

[4:13:48] uh we're dealing with uh so many

[4:13:50] people's lives, livelihoods in the

[4:13:52] community uh that there is a lot more to

[4:13:55] talk about than than we can even begin

[4:13:57] to address at this at this meeting. So,

[4:13:59] an opportunity to be able to put an ad

[4:14:02] hoc committee to uh get community

[4:14:04] members involved. Uh if I may speak, uh

[4:14:08] as the president of the Pastor Downtown

[4:14:10] Main Street Association board of

[4:14:12] directors, we didn't get a chance to

[4:14:15] have a discussion on this. Um, and I

[4:14:18] think it's really important that the

[4:14:20] main street association as a whole be

[4:14:22] able to have time to uh talk amongst

[4:14:24] ourselves, talk amongst our uh our

[4:14:27] business uh members and the community on

[4:14:30] uh how we can advocate for the main

[4:14:32] street association and find out from our

[4:14:34] members what their opinions and views

[4:14:36] are on the food truck ordinance. Uh now

[4:14:38] speaking and as a restaurant owner in in

[4:14:41] downtown Paso, uh I am a food service

[4:14:44] professional for over 35 years and had a

[4:14:47] brick and have had a brick and mortar in

[4:14:49] Paso, downtown Paso for eight years and

[4:14:52] had a food service uh catering business

[4:14:55] for 10 years leading up to that. So, uh,

[4:14:58] I'd like to think I'm pretty well

[4:15:00] verssed in the rules and regulations

[4:15:03] that our county provides for food

[4:15:06] service organiz uh, operations, but, uh,

[4:15:08] the fact that, uh, as some of the other

[4:15:10] folks have have spoken on, the current

[4:15:13] ordinance is really not being enforced,

[4:15:16] um, until apparently recently. But

[4:15:18] recently it's been uh I guess that's

[4:15:20] maybe why this came out. But uh this is

[4:15:23] a really important topic to a lot of

[4:15:25] people in in our community and I would

[4:15:28] strongly advocate for an opportunity to

[4:15:30] get an ad hoc committee together and

[4:15:32] reach out to the community while leaving

[4:15:35] the existing rules and regulations in

[4:15:38] place. Also I might advocate for uh

[4:15:41] continued enforcement. Uh the food

[4:15:44] safety is extremely important to me as a

[4:15:47] food service professional, as a

[4:15:49] restaurant tour. And uh unfortunately,

[4:15:51] we've we've heard some from from some

[4:15:53] folks that uh they're not quite savvy on

[4:15:56] what the rules and regulations are. And

[4:15:58] I think it's extremely important in the

[4:16:00] food service business to make sure that

[4:16:02] you are aware of every rule and

[4:16:04] regulation. And uh Pastor Robus as a

[4:16:08] city council can help us out a great

[4:16:10] deal by

[4:16:12] setting a solid ordinance getting

[4:16:14] community feedback and and moving

[4:16:16] forward with uh the opportunity to uh

[4:16:20] take this conversation to a deeper level

[4:16:22] and and try to solve the problem to the

[4:16:25] best of our abilities with more

[4:16:27] community input.

[4:16:28] >> All right. Thank you, Jeffrey.

[4:16:31] » All right. Thank you, Jeffrey.

[4:16:31] >> Thank you.

[4:16:31] » Thank you.

[4:16:31] >> Anyone else online?

[4:16:34] » Anyone else online?

[4:16:34] >> Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin.

[4:16:36] » Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin.

[4:16:36] >> Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you

[4:16:39] » Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you

[4:16:39] hear us? Go ahead.

[4:16:39] >> Hi, I can again. Thank you very much.

[4:16:43] » Hi, I can again. Thank you very much.

[4:16:43] Um, I have a couple of questions and a

[4:16:45] couple of concerns. Um, I don't have a

[4:16:48] problem with food trucks, us having food

[4:16:51] trucks, but I I want you to think back

[4:16:54] to the short-term rental situation where

[4:16:58] it was years before the city finally put

[4:17:02] some rules and regulations into place to

[4:17:05] limit them because the number of them

[4:17:08] and where they were located and how they

[4:17:10] were being run was simply out of

[4:17:13] control. And if you don't get something

[4:17:18] done pretty quickly about regulating

[4:17:21] food trucks, that that's exactly what's

[4:17:23] going to happen. We're going to have,

[4:17:25] you know, 300 food trucks in every

[4:17:29] vacant parking lot uh owned by someone.

[4:17:32] Um they're going to be everywhere. And

[4:17:35] the the part about that, not just the

[4:17:38] number of them, is who's going to

[4:17:40] monitor them? I've asked the question

[4:17:43] before when we know that there are

[4:17:46] illegal short-term rentals being run.

[4:17:49] The answer is always we don't have the

[4:17:52] staff to monitor that. Well, who's going

[4:17:55] to monitor the food trucks? Who's going

[4:17:58] to make sure that everybody's health

[4:18:00] certificate is up to date? We have one

[4:18:04] health inspector, as I understand it, in

[4:18:07] the county who and it's just not enough.

[4:18:10] So, I I absolutely advocate for an ad

[4:18:14] hoc committee, but that's one of the

[4:18:16] things that that ad hoc needs to be

[4:18:19] paying attention to is once you get the

[4:18:22] rules and regulations into place, how

[4:18:25] are you going to monitor it? Who's going

[4:18:27] to monitor it? When everything that

[4:18:30] happens in this town is complaintdriven,

[4:18:33] we are not proactive. We act on

[4:18:36] complaints.

[4:18:38] then you're putting the burden on people

[4:18:40] to complain and try to get something

[4:18:43] done. So, thank you very much.

[4:18:46] >> Thank you. Anyone else on the online?

[4:18:51] » Thank you. Anyone else on the online?

[4:18:51] [Music]

[4:18:54] >> I do have another caller, Terry Smith.

[4:18:58] » I do have another caller, Terry Smith.

[4:18:58] >> Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead.

[4:19:02] » Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead.

[4:19:02] >> Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um,

[4:19:05] » Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um,

[4:19:05] I agreed with the last caller, last two

[4:19:08] callers. Um, everybody loves their food

[4:19:11] trucks, but everybody needs to go on to

[4:19:15] the California Department of Public

[4:19:17] Health. All the regulations are there

[4:19:20] and

[4:19:22] it's changed over the last few years

[4:19:25] under Gavin Newsome. Um, pretty soon

[4:19:28] you're going to see not only food

[4:19:30] trucks, you're going to see push carts,

[4:19:31] you're going to see

[4:19:33] all different kinds of things coming in.

[4:19:37] And the regulations need to be strict.

[4:19:41] There is a reason for a a bathroom. It's

[4:19:44] not just for bathroom facilities. It's

[4:19:46] for handwashing facilities. You can't

[4:19:49] have a three compartment sink or a two

[4:19:51] compartment sink in a trailer, but not

[4:19:53] have a handwashing facility in there.

[4:19:57] It's very important to follow the rules

[4:20:00] and it's not going to get better, it's

[4:20:03] going to get worse. And where do you

[4:20:05] stop? We're going to stop at 30, 40, 60.

[4:20:09] There's a reason for the for the rules

[4:20:11] and everybody needs to follow them. And

[4:20:13] thank you KPRO for bringing this up.

[4:20:17] It's very important. Thank you.

[4:20:20] >> Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online?

[4:20:24] » Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online?

[4:20:24] >> No, sir.

[4:20:25] » No, sir.

[4:20:25] >> Okay. Now we'll open the public one more

[4:20:27] » Okay. Now we'll open the public one more

[4:20:28] time for in-house.

[4:20:29] >> Okay.

[4:20:30] » Okay.

[4:20:30] >> Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the

[4:20:31] » Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the

[4:20:32] Guacamole Mexican food. I just want to

[4:20:34] thank everybody who took the time to be

[4:20:36] in here because, you know, it's so hard

[4:20:38] right now with this time uh having a

[4:20:41] business. And then with all all of these

[4:20:43] regulations, we understand and then we

[4:20:45] agree. We want to do everything right.

[4:20:47] Um I have been going with the with the

[4:20:50] city department. I want to make sure

[4:20:51] that we're doing every single thing that

[4:20:53] we can. But you know what? Every day is

[4:20:56] different. There's a lot of

[4:20:57] contradictions. We just want to make

[4:20:58] sure that we're following the rules.

[4:21:01] Just let us know what we need because

[4:21:03] I'm pretty sure every single person

[4:21:06] here, we want to do right. We want to do

[4:21:09] everything right because each day is

[4:21:11] something different. We receive a phone

[4:21:13] call. Oh, now you need this. Now you

[4:21:15] need that. So I'm here uh speaking in

[4:21:18] behalf of my my u you know all of the

[4:21:22] food persons um because we want to be

[4:21:26] equal to to have the opportunities and

[4:21:29] then I also I'm just requesting

[4:21:33] have everything you know on paper you

[4:21:36] need this you need that and then also be

[4:21:38] fair you know as my my my people is

[4:21:41] telling we need seats for people that

[4:21:44] they want to just wait for their food

[4:21:46] and then outside is so hot. We just need

[4:21:48] like some tents or something just for

[4:21:50] for them to to not be on the heat

[4:21:52] because a lot of people they go just go

[4:21:54] walking. They they don't have a cars,

[4:21:56] you know. We just want to make sure that

[4:21:58] we want to do the best service for them.

[4:22:01] And then also

[4:22:03] um we don't want to steal anybody's

[4:22:05] business from the restaurants or

[4:22:06] nothing. Each one is has the different

[4:22:09] um um like services. If if I go to a

[4:22:12] restaurant, it's because I want to sit

[4:22:14] down and eat, have a good time, but

[4:22:16] there's a lot of people there in the go

[4:22:18] like really quick and they don't have

[4:22:19] time to be sitting down in a restaurant.

[4:22:22] So, we just want to be, you know, part

[4:22:24] of the a community and then like serve

[4:22:27] and then we don't want to steal nobody's

[4:22:29] nobody's job. We just want to here to um

[4:22:32] to support and then also we pay taxes.

[4:22:35] We pay every single thing as a

[4:22:37] restaurant. Um we just you know we need

[4:22:41] um we're serving different things and

[4:22:44] then as you know we just need um

[4:22:49] everything to be clear. We can follow

[4:22:50] the rules and then we can all be on the

[4:22:52] same page and then believe me we all pay

[4:22:55] rent. We all pay the every single thing

[4:22:58] as a restaurant do. So, if you can just

[4:23:01] please let us work, we can be, you know,

[4:23:05] all on the same page. And thank you so

[4:23:07] much for everything who came.

[4:23:08] >> Thank you.

[4:23:10] » Thank you.

[4:23:10] >> All right. Anyone else? One more time.

[4:23:13] » All right. Anyone else? One more time.

[4:23:14] Oh, please.

[4:23:22] Welcome.

[4:23:24] Hi, my name is Luis Diaz and I own the

[4:23:27] Mexican Futra Wenos and thank you for

[4:23:31] everybody here tonight. But we

[4:23:34] understand all the new roots coming up

[4:23:36] you guys want to put in. But we would

[4:23:39] like to see is anyway before

[4:23:43] start a new rules or whatever lets

[4:23:46] working with us uh with you know before

[4:23:48] you start putting list. So let us

[4:23:50] working right now the way it was before

[4:23:54] because they hurt our business and also

[4:23:58] if you guys put a new rules I would like

[4:24:00] to see uh to tell the police or anybody

[4:24:04] because after 5:00

[4:24:06] whatever you call the police and you

[4:24:08] tell hey I got this and this and they go

[4:24:10] and they don't know what they don't know

[4:24:12] any rules. So the only rules is the

[4:24:16] people work in the morning 8 to 4 and

[4:24:18] after 4:00 they don't know and they go

[4:24:20] home and well I don't know and they

[4:24:22] don't do anything. So and they want you

[4:24:24] guys going to do fair so do fair for

[4:24:26] everybody.

[4:24:28] >> Okay. Thank you.

[4:24:29] » Okay. Thank you.

[4:24:30] >> Thank you.

[4:24:32] » Thank you.

[4:24:32] >> All right.

[4:24:32] » All right.

[4:24:32] >> Mayor Hammond.

[4:24:33] » Mayor Hammond.

[4:24:33] >> Yes.

[4:24:33] » Yes.

[4:24:33] >> I have another caller.

[4:24:35] » I have another caller.

[4:24:35] >> Okay. One more.

[4:24:37] » Okay. One more.

[4:24:37] >> Anna Mendes.

[4:24:38] » Anna Mendes.

[4:24:38] >> Ann

[4:24:39] » Ann

[4:24:39] >> Anna.

[4:24:40] » Anna.

[4:24:40] >> Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on

[4:24:42] » Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on

[4:24:42] one second.

[4:24:45] There you go.

[4:24:47] >> Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of

[4:24:50] » Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of

[4:24:50] all the opportunity for us as a business

[4:24:53] owners uh to bring this topic up to us.

[4:24:56] But I think it's very necessary. First

[4:24:58] of all, um I heard in the beginning of

[4:25:00] the conversation there were being some

[4:25:02] complaints in regards of um how we

[4:25:05] operate around the city. But uh if you

[4:25:08] guys don't bring out those specific

[4:25:10] complaints, how we all going to be aware

[4:25:13] of that so we don't continue making

[4:25:15] those um mistakes

[4:25:18] for the future. Not just to bring it up

[4:25:21] directly to the vendor when it's, you

[4:25:24] know, the complaint it's for, but also

[4:25:26] to let everybody know.

[4:25:30] Um, in regards I heard u somebody saying

[4:25:33] too that restrooms are not specifically

[4:25:37] for um the

[4:25:41] gosh for the uh customers but it's

[4:25:45] always necessary too for employees. Um,

[4:25:47] I really highly recommend everybody to

[4:25:51] go back and look into the requirements

[4:25:53] for the food truck in order to be in

[4:25:56] compliance with all the requirements

[4:25:58] that the city has.

[4:26:03] » Okay. Is that your comment?

[4:26:07] >> Yes.

[4:26:08] » Yes.

[4:26:08] >> Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it.

[4:26:10] » Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it.

[4:26:10] >> Thank you. Okay.

[4:26:13] » Thank you. Okay.

[4:26:13] >> All right. Uh, any more? One more time,

[4:26:15] » All right. Uh, any more? One more time,

[4:26:15] Melissa, and we'll close it.

[4:26:17] No.

[4:26:18] >> Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back

[4:26:20] » Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back

[4:26:20] then to council then for discussion

[4:26:23] here. Um heard a lot of testimony. I

[4:26:27] think uh who would like to start off

[4:26:28] with? Councilman Gregory.

[4:26:31] >> First of all, I'd like to thank

[4:26:32] » First of all, I'd like to thank

[4:26:32] everybody for being here to help our uh

[4:26:35] job get a little easier by working

[4:26:37] together. So, um one of the things um I

[4:26:41] think the ad hoc's a really good idea,

[4:26:43] but I want to describe the ad hoc a

[4:26:45] little bit. I think it's okay to have a

[4:26:47] couple councilmen on it, but I think we

[4:26:49] should have brick and mortar like

[4:26:50] Jeffrey and Anna and several uh truck

[4:26:53] owners like Mr. Sailor and that

[4:26:56] gentleman right there. I don't know your

[4:26:58] name. Sorry, but and Francisco. But I

[4:27:00] think we need to get into a room with a

[4:27:03] couple of our staff helping us write

[4:27:04] things down where the issues are. And I

[4:27:07] think we get to a conclusion pretty

[4:27:09] easily. But I want to make sure whatever

[4:27:12] we do, we allow the people to operate

[4:27:14] that have permits currently so we don't

[4:27:17] stop their progress because you have,

[4:27:19] you know, we want to keep it going, but

[4:27:21] at the same time, we'll work on getting

[4:27:23] it better so everybody has clarity. And

[4:27:26] it's really important that we have that

[4:27:27] clarity because everybody can follow the

[4:27:29] rules if everybody knows the rules and

[4:27:31] it helps everybody from the city staff

[4:27:34] to us up here and to the people who are

[4:27:38] your customers. You know, everybody

[4:27:39] wants to know it's a good place to eat,

[4:27:41] it's safe place to eat. And um I like

[4:27:45] Anna said a very nice comment in that

[4:27:47] it's good for everybody. Let's just make

[4:27:50] it work. So the boundaries are protected

[4:27:52] for everybody, both the food trucks and

[4:27:54] the brick and mortar and everybody's

[4:27:56] communicating well together and figuring

[4:27:58] it out. This is our town and you're our

[4:28:02] friends and we're going to make it work

[4:28:03] and the best way to do it is through ad

[4:28:05] hoc. So,

[4:28:08] >> Chris B.

[4:28:09] » Chris B.

[4:28:10] >> Thank you. Well said, Council Member

[4:28:11] » Thank you. Well said, Council Member

[4:28:11] Gregory. Um, thank you for everybody who

[4:28:14] has been here um tonight, who's reached

[4:28:18] out to talk about this. Um, we

[4:28:20] appreciate your comments. We appreciate

[4:28:22] your thoughts. We appreciate um the

[4:28:24] difficulties that you go through,

[4:28:26] whether you're a brick and mortar

[4:28:27] business, whether you are a food truck,

[4:28:30] uh whatever kind. It's not easy to be in

[4:28:33] business in California or past robos. We

[4:28:36] get it. Um I heard something new

[4:28:40] tonight. Um I I knew we had two

[4:28:43] different business models that I

[4:28:44] appreciate. We have brick and mortar

[4:28:46] that I absolutely love to go to. Uh but

[4:28:49] I also enjoy our food trucks. Different

[4:28:52] occasions. They're they're not they

[4:28:55] serve two different needs that I have

[4:28:57] and I appreciate that. Sometimes I need

[4:29:00] to go sit down at a restaurant during

[4:29:03] lunch with a client. Sometimes I want to

[4:29:04] take my wife out to a nice dinner.

[4:29:06] Sometimes I just want to go to a ball

[4:29:08] game and and have a hot dog. Um those

[4:29:11] are all good events. um the interlopers

[4:29:16] that are coming in from out of town. And

[4:29:18] I think that speaks to the heart of of

[4:29:20] one of the critical issues that we we're

[4:29:22] we really need our uh ad hoc committee

[4:29:25] to to focus on and and that's the the

[4:29:28] enforcement. Um I don't think it's it's

[4:29:33] um it's it's fair or wise to put all the

[4:29:36] blame on one uh entity, our police

[4:29:39] department. uh we have uh need to

[4:29:43] reconcile some of the contradictions

[4:29:45] that are within our own code. I think

[4:29:47] staff is well aware of that. I think

[4:29:49] that is something the uh uh ad hoc

[4:29:53] committee can can help with. U I would

[4:29:56] hope that it would like council member

[4:29:58] Gregory suggested it be not just limited

[4:30:03] to city council but also from a

[4:30:05] cross-section across our community.

[4:30:08] um

[4:30:10] the the issues that need to come back.

[4:30:13] I'm not sure if ad hoc does this or if

[4:30:16] ad hoc recommends this to to staff, but

[4:30:20] bathrooms, shade structures, generators,

[4:30:23] um you know, where uh how how does a

[4:30:28] commissary come into play, especially

[4:30:30] for out of town people? Obviously, they

[4:30:32] don't have a commissary here locally.

[4:30:34] Where is their food being prepared? Why

[4:30:36] isn't the health department regulating

[4:30:38] those guys? Uh how do we work better

[4:30:40] with the county to make sure that this

[4:30:42] gets enforced? We need a a kind of a a

[4:30:45] cross-sectional team. It seems like

[4:30:47] going forth. Not going to happen

[4:30:49] overnight. Um I do think we need to

[4:30:52] support our local residents. Uh we need

[4:30:55] to figure out how best to do that. We

[4:30:58] need help doing that. and I look forward

[4:31:00] to working uh with each of you, whether

[4:31:02] you're brick or and mortar, whether

[4:31:04] you're a food truck, uh whether you're

[4:31:06] just a resident that likes to go out and

[4:31:08] eat and enjoy good food. So, thank you

[4:31:10] very much,

[4:31:11] >> Councilman Strong.

[4:31:12] » Councilman Strong.

[4:31:12] >> Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want

[4:31:14] » Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want

[4:31:14] us to be clear, we're talking about an

[4:31:16] ad hoc committee. Remember what our city

[4:31:18] manager and what our attorney has said,

[4:31:20] that is two members of the council.

[4:31:22] Period. If we include members of the

[4:31:24] public in that committee, it becomes a

[4:31:27] Brown Act standing committee and goes on

[4:31:29] forever. So, if we're going to do this,

[4:31:33] we can have it with two members of the

[4:31:34] council as the committee. We can still

[4:31:36] invite all of the people we've talked

[4:31:38] about to please be at that meeting that

[4:31:40] they hold and have their input so those

[4:31:43] two members can get all that input that

[4:31:45] you're looking for. And that would mean

[4:31:48] that as many people who are interested

[4:31:50] in that as possible and maybe you have

[4:31:52] to translate this to Spanish so they all

[4:31:54] understand make sure that we have the

[4:31:57] names and address of those who want to

[4:32:00] participate in that decision-m

[4:32:02] so that we can notify them of when the

[4:32:04] meeting is and have that and then have

[4:32:07] that happen and perhaps you want to

[4:32:09] translate to that to them. Please if you

[4:32:12] may allow that Mr.

[4:32:14] >> Mayor

[4:32:15] » Mayor

[4:32:15] >> let's finish our discussion. Um,

[4:32:18] » let's finish our discussion. Um,

[4:32:18] >> let us finish and then we'll have

[4:32:20] » let us finish and then we'll have

[4:32:20] >> Yeah, let let's hang on.

[4:32:21] » Yeah, let let's hang on.

[4:32:21] >> Well, we should still have the names and

[4:32:22] » Well, we should still have the names and

[4:32:22] addresses. Just some contact

[4:32:24] information.

[4:32:24] >> Well, we haven't made a decision yet.

[4:32:26] » Well, we haven't made a decision yet.

[4:32:26] >> Yeah. What we're doing on that yet,

[4:32:28] » Yeah. What we're doing on that yet,

[4:32:28] Fred, but

[4:32:28] >> All right.

[4:32:29] » All right.

[4:32:29] >> Yeah. Council member,

[4:32:31] » Yeah. Council member,

[4:32:31] >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I

[4:32:33] » thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I

[4:32:33] just want to thank everybody for coming

[4:32:35] tonight. I know for some of you, this is

[4:32:38] probably the first city council meeting

[4:32:40] that you've ever attended. And uh I know

[4:32:43] for me, I've been having a lot of these

[4:32:45] conversations, but even in this short

[4:32:46] amount of time, I learned quite a bit. I

[4:32:49] think other people learned a few things

[4:32:51] that we didn't know before. And I think

[4:32:53] that's informative how much better this

[4:32:56] process would have been if we had gotten

[4:32:59] h been able to have this conversation a

[4:33:01] few months ago. That would have informed

[4:33:02] how it rolled out, the information, any

[4:33:05] contradictions that we might have seen.

[4:33:08] Um,

[4:33:10] you know, Bill's comments at the

[4:33:12] beginning were very smart and actually

[4:33:14] consistent with what I had heard from

[4:33:16] other people. You know, we we paid our

[4:33:18] business license and then like a week

[4:33:20] later we got a phone call saying that we

[4:33:22] needed to a different kind of permit.

[4:33:25] You know, I I heard this over and over

[4:33:26] and over and kind of the the conflicting

[4:33:30] information between the website and the

[4:33:32] code. Um, which is not easy. I mean,

[4:33:35] what you heard are people that want to

[4:33:36] follow the rules. They want to do the

[4:33:38] right thing. They in good faith think

[4:33:41] they're doing all of the right thing

[4:33:43] only to get a call that says, "Uh, not

[4:33:45] quite." And I know this is a little

[4:33:48] hiccup. I know there was a lot going on

[4:33:49] with the co the code, you know, improve

[4:33:52] uh updates. I get that. But I also know

[4:33:56] that we can learn from this and we can

[4:33:58] do better, you know, better better

[4:34:00] governance in terms of how we would

[4:34:01] manage that. I think any business owner

[4:34:03] here would be upset if they thought they

[4:34:06] were doing the right thing and then the

[4:34:08] city came in and said, "Oh, well,

[4:34:11] functionally, you really can't do this

[4:34:13] for the next month. This is really going

[4:34:14] to knock out your July." Because this

[4:34:17] was so disruptive for people. It really

[4:34:19] knocked out people's July.

[4:34:23] Hardworking business owners. And um I'm

[4:34:28] happy that everybody wants to have the

[4:34:29] ad hoc. It's kind of a technicality that

[4:34:32] technically it's only two council

[4:34:34] people, but of of course we will bring

[4:34:37] people in to help inform what the next

[4:34:39] step is. I don't think it should take

[4:34:41] that long. Um calendaring it will be

[4:34:44] probably be the hardest thing, but uh

[4:34:47] again that we are this is your city. We

[4:34:50] are your representatives

[4:34:52] and this is an opportunity for us to

[4:34:55] learn. We really appreciate everybody

[4:34:56] coming tonight. I you know like was said

[4:34:59] in the earlier uh item you know we want

[4:35:03] to make opportunities for small

[4:35:05] entrepreneurs.

[4:35:08] » Well yay yay yay you.

[4:35:14] So thank you.

[4:35:16] >> Okay.

[4:35:20] Okay. So again, the reason we we brought

[4:35:22] this up was, you know, uh concern from

[4:35:24] staff regarding the municipal code and

[4:35:27] which creates challenges and ambiguity

[4:35:30] and vagness that they were not quite

[4:35:32] sure on how to handle and that's why

[4:35:33] we're here where we are now. I think

[4:35:35] it's it's clear that food trucks are are

[4:35:39] good that we should have them. Uh but

[4:35:42] there's so many nuances to the reg rules

[4:35:44] and regulations that we need to get

[4:35:45] clarified. So again, the folks know the

[4:35:48] rules and they can comply with the

[4:35:49] rules. Um I think what I've heard

[4:35:52] tonight is that basically an ad hoc is

[4:35:54] really what everybody's thinking about

[4:35:55] doing here as far as getting more input

[4:35:57] from the public. I think that's

[4:35:59] important. We need to have the

[4:36:01] stakeholders bring back what their

[4:36:03] requirements are to be able to operate

[4:36:05] properly but also fit within the code.

[4:36:08] uh there's clearly code already set for

[4:36:10] these kind of things with county and uh

[4:36:13] other services that you know we have to

[4:36:15] comply with as far as a city. So if if

[4:36:18] the intent is uh with the council to

[4:36:20] start that ad hoc I'd like to ask

[4:36:23] Elizabeth um then

[4:36:26] >> how we can do this given the amount of

[4:36:29] » how we can do this given the amount of

[4:36:29] interest you know with the city what are

[4:36:31] what's the framework for the ad hoc that

[4:36:33] we could consider. Uh so for an ad hoc

[4:36:36] committee I would recommend that you

[4:36:37] have two council members. So it's not a

[4:36:39] form of council um and have that be the

[4:36:42] committee and that'll be who would

[4:36:44] report report back

[4:36:45] >> to the whole board

[4:36:46] » to the whole board

[4:36:46] >> to the to the council. Um and then you

[4:36:49] » to the to the council. Um and then you

[4:36:49] can uh invite people to participate. You

[4:36:52] can bring people in as speakers but I

[4:36:54] would have the committee be just the two

[4:36:55] council members.

[4:36:56] >> Would it be like a workshop be in order

[4:36:59] » Would it be like a workshop be in order

[4:36:59] on something like that for a particular

[4:37:01] Saturday or something like that?

[4:37:02] >> Uh with the committee? Sure. You could

[4:37:04] » Uh with the committee? Sure. You could

[4:37:04] do that.

[4:37:05] >> That's how we've done in the past. I

[4:37:06] » That's how we've done in the past. I

[4:37:06] just want to make it clear that, you

[4:37:08] know, um, we can run a meeting like

[4:37:10] that.

[4:37:10] >> The ad hoc committee can meet whenever

[4:37:11] » The ad hoc committee can meet whenever

[4:37:11] they'd like and we just need to make

[4:37:13] sure we advertise it so that everybody's

[4:37:15] got the opportunity to participate.

[4:37:17] >> Okay. So again, we'll go back to

[4:37:18] » Okay. So again, we'll go back to

[4:37:18] council. Is that kind of what we want to

[4:37:20] try and do?

[4:37:21] >> Yep.

[4:37:21] » Yep.

[4:37:21] >> So the next step is who would like to

[4:37:23] » So the next step is who would like to

[4:37:24] serve?

[4:37:24] >> I would I will

[4:37:27] » I would I will

[4:37:27] see every

[4:37:29] >> John I'd like one one point.

[4:37:31] » John I'd like one one point.

[4:37:31] >> Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other

[4:37:33] » Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other

[4:37:33] things maybe even slightly ahead of the

[4:37:35] the um ad hoc committee I think we we've

[4:37:39] come to a consensus that there are some

[4:37:41] some contradictions within the existing

[4:37:43] structure. Uh I think staff can probably

[4:37:46] handle identifying what those

[4:37:49] contradictions are and bring those back

[4:37:52] to council sooner than later. Uh and try

[4:37:56] to eliminate. So we heard a lot of

[4:37:58] requests for clarity. Where do I go?

[4:38:00] Give me one stop. We have two places to

[4:38:02] go right now. Parks and wreck and

[4:38:04] planning. Can we clarify some of that

[4:38:07] and bring that back to council sooner

[4:38:09] than we do? I'm not saying don't do do

[4:38:12] an ad hoc, but the ad hoc might not come

[4:38:14] back for a while.

[4:38:14] >> Well, that that's going to be the next

[4:38:16] » Well, that that's going to be the next

[4:38:16] question. Um staff, how soon do you

[4:38:18] think we could probably get something

[4:38:20] going on an ad hoc to address the item?

[4:38:23] >> Yeah, I think it just comes down to to

[4:38:25] » Yeah, I think it just comes down to to

[4:38:25] schedules and the schedules of the the

[4:38:27] two that would sit on the ad hoc. to

[4:38:29] answer or try to answer council member

[4:38:30] voucher's question. Uh my recommendation

[4:38:33] would be that uh you know we we hear

[4:38:35] your feedback and understand that there

[4:38:37] is need for clarity and an interim

[4:38:40] period we would look to uh you as as

[4:38:44] complaints will likely come in still. Uh

[4:38:47] we can assess those but u recognize that

[4:38:51] until there's further clarity it's going

[4:38:52] to be uh probably in the best interest

[4:38:55] to wait to see what the outcome of the

[4:38:56] ad hoc is.

[4:38:57] >> Exactly. Um my recommendation would be

[4:38:59] » Exactly. Um my recommendation would be

[4:38:59] that that uh any of those clarity type

[4:39:03] of updates along with whatever else the

[4:39:05] ad hoc wants to talk about and make

[4:39:06] recommendations back to full council

[4:39:08] come back in one package just so overall

[4:39:11] there's a good perspective of what

[4:39:13] changes uh the the the committee is

[4:39:16] recommending and those are all

[4:39:18] implemented at one time or discussed at

[4:39:20] one time. That would be my

[4:39:21] recommendation. In the interim, we can

[4:39:23] work on a case-by case basis. If it's a

[4:39:26] significant public safety and health

[4:39:28] issue, then we're likely going to need

[4:39:29] to be addressing that complaint. If it's

[4:39:32] a nuanced kind of discussion on they're

[4:39:34] on gravel and not asphalt, I think

[4:39:36] that's something that we can we can work

[4:39:38] uh in the interim to while the the ad

[4:39:41] hoc committee is is deliberating.

[4:39:43] >> Okay. And I was going to recommend that

[4:39:45] » Okay. And I was going to recommend that

[4:39:45] that's why we suspend the current

[4:39:46] citations and not go any further with

[4:39:49] those until we've gotten more better

[4:39:50] clarity. because I think some of the

[4:39:52] citations of people were in working in

[4:39:55] in in faith, good faith, and didn't

[4:39:58] realize that we were going to stop all

[4:40:00] these new things in if it's a health

[4:40:02] department issuing a citation, that's a

[4:40:04] whole different thing. But I think our

[4:40:06] citations out out of briefly put on hold

[4:40:09] until we have clarity.

[4:40:10] >> I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So,

[4:40:13] » I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So,

[4:40:13] and maybe we can get some clarity from

[4:40:14] Chief Nord, but if people don't have the

[4:40:17] license to operate,

[4:40:19] >> that's a different scenario. So my my

[4:40:21] » that's a different scenario. So my my

[4:40:21] comment was you have these a lot of

[4:40:23] people acting within the the regulations

[4:40:26] we have. We let them continue to operate

[4:40:29] until we could filter out all the

[4:40:30] issues. Okay. And then one plug for me

[4:40:35] being on that I have 30 years in the

[4:40:37] restaurant business

[4:40:38] >> and I worked with the health department

[4:40:40] » and I worked with the health department

[4:40:40] a lot.

[4:40:41] >> Okay.

[4:40:43] » Okay.

[4:40:43] Yeah,

[4:40:43] >> I have about 15 years in in uh direct,

[4:40:47] » I have about 15 years in in uh direct,

[4:40:47] five years direct and about 10 years

[4:40:50] consulting.

[4:40:50] >> Okay. I don't have a problem actually.

[4:40:52] » Okay. I don't have a problem actually.

[4:40:52] These two I mean well like like a little

[4:40:57] dog. Go ahead. Go ahead. Let me do it.

[4:41:00] >> Yeah. I think at this point uh these two

[4:41:02] » Yeah. I think at this point uh these two

[4:41:02] have more interest and seems like they

[4:41:04] could certainly uh carry the water on

[4:41:05] it. But point is um you know getting

[4:41:08] your calendar set up and scheduled to

[4:41:10] get it in a timely manner. I think

[4:41:11] that's going to be important to bring it

[4:41:12] forward. Um I if again we don't have to

[4:41:16] have a a vote on this I don't believe

[4:41:18] just going to direct them to go ahead

[4:41:20] and form an ad hoc and calendar it with

[4:41:24] council boss and council Gregory as the

[4:41:27] ad hoc members.

[4:41:29] Is that good enough for good enough for

[4:41:31] staff?

[4:41:32] >> I'll agree.

[4:41:33] » I'll agree.

[4:41:33] >> Yeah. And then we'll be noticed

[4:41:34] » Yeah. And then we'll be noticed

[4:41:34] obviously um public will be noticed and

[4:41:36] informed when they're going to meet so

[4:41:39] you can have some input and find out

[4:41:41] when and where.

[4:41:42] >> Okay. Francisco

[4:41:45] » Okay. Francisco

[4:41:45] Spanish people don't speak.

[4:41:47] >> Francisco do you want to translate a

[4:41:48] » Francisco do you want to translate a

[4:41:48] little bit what we just said on as far

[4:41:49] as uh

[4:41:50] >> if I may but can I also give you one

[4:41:53] » if I may but can I also give you one

[4:41:53] more concern one more question that our

[4:41:55] public had that I want you guys to know

[4:41:57] before we finish.

[4:41:59] >> Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh

[4:42:01] » Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh

[4:42:01] question and and that everybody was

[4:42:03] asking that food truck uh operators was

[4:42:07] can they continue to do business until

[4:42:11] we and yourselves uh find out what the

[4:42:15] new rules are, the new regulations and

[4:42:17] what the permits that you guys want to

[4:42:20] happen. Can they continue to conduct

[4:42:22] business

[4:42:23] >> based on based on staff? Again, I don't

[4:42:25] » based on based on staff? Again, I don't

[4:42:25] think we've given any direction to

[4:42:27] curtail any activity at this point. So,

[4:42:30] I'm assuming they can still operate

[4:42:32] under the operations or unless they

[4:42:34] don't have a permit. Uh, Chief, would

[4:42:37] you weigh in?

[4:42:42] » Mayor, council,

[4:42:49] » trying to think of my words before I say

[4:42:52] them right now.

[4:42:52] >> Yeah,

[4:42:54] » Yeah,

[4:42:54] >> we are enforcing current law. No

[4:42:56] » we are enforcing current law. No

[4:42:56] citations were put out. We went out and

[4:42:58] educated. We contacted as many of the uh

[4:43:04] food truck owners as we could and

[4:43:06] between the two of us, we worked

[4:43:08] together to create that list and get

[4:43:10] that's why we were getting emails.

[4:43:11] That's why we were getting phone numbers

[4:43:12] so that we could communicate with

[4:43:13] everyone, pass out these flyers and get

[4:43:16] that information out there. That's what

[4:43:17] we that's what we did.

[4:43:20] If you tell us right now to not enforce

[4:43:22] some of these things, my fear is that

[4:43:26] you're it's

[4:43:28] You haven't begun to see what kind of

[4:43:30] out of control we can have with food

[4:43:31] carts and food trucks. We can't do that.

[4:43:34] >> No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was

[4:43:36] » No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was

[4:43:36] suggesting continue as usual like you

[4:43:39] are doing currently,

[4:43:40] >> right?

[4:43:41] » right?

[4:43:41] >> With

[4:43:41] » With

[4:43:41] >> I don't I don't know that that's what's

[4:43:43] » I don't I don't know that that's what's

[4:43:43] being asked

[4:43:44] >> if if people have their current permits,

[4:43:47] » if if people have their current permits,

[4:43:47] >> right?

[4:43:47] » right?

[4:43:47] >> Yes. I have no problems continuing with

[4:43:49] » Yes. I have no problems continuing with

[4:43:49] what we're currently doing,

[4:43:50] >> right?

[4:43:51] » right?

[4:43:51] >> With all of the all the um education

[4:43:53] » With all of the all the um education

[4:43:53] that we've done,

[4:43:54] >> right? And if we can continue to make

[4:43:55] » right? And if we can continue to make

[4:43:55] sure if you if you need your temporary

[4:43:57] use permit, if you have those things,

[4:43:59] then absolutely we will we don't have

[4:44:01] any problems with that. We will continue

[4:44:02] as normal

[4:44:02] >> until council has changed something. But

[4:44:04] » until council has changed something. But

[4:44:04] that's understood. That's the way we

[4:44:06] >> that's what we were looking for at this

[4:44:07] » that's what we were looking for at this

[4:44:07] point in time.

[4:44:07] >> So Francisco, you understand that?

[4:44:09] » So Francisco, you understand that?

[4:44:09] >> Yeah.

[4:44:10] » Yeah.

[4:44:10] >> Okay. Good.

[4:44:11] » Okay. Good.

[4:44:12] >> Thank you, Chief. Okay.

[4:44:27] [Music]

[4:44:42] warning.

[4:45:12] Department

[4:45:18] Okay.

[4:45:20] [Music]

[4:45:36] Tacos.

[4:46:11] So I just told him that you are going to

[4:46:14] um start ad hoc committee. It will be

[4:46:17] consistent that both of you guys two

[4:46:19] members of the city council and that

[4:46:21] everybody will be invited in the public

[4:46:23] to to to be there. Is that a correct?

[4:46:26] >> Yes, that's correct.

[4:46:26] » Yes, that's correct.

[4:46:26] >> Okay. So, that's why I told them it's

[4:46:28] » Okay. So, that's why I told them it's

[4:46:28] important that they also attend those

[4:46:30] meetings if there that's their interest

[4:46:32] and for the rest of the stakeholders so

[4:46:34] that they know and they get information

[4:46:37] there and they can also give your

[4:46:39] opinion as a food truck business owner

[4:46:42] to you guys. Is that correct?

[4:46:44] >> To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then

[4:46:46] » To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then

[4:46:46] make a recommendation back to full

[4:46:47] counsel. That's the way it work, right?

[4:47:12] Um,

[4:47:13] anything else?

[4:47:14] >> Yes.

[4:47:16] » Yes.

[4:47:16] >> That's good.

[4:47:18] » That's good.

[4:47:18] >> I don't know. We don't need to know

[4:47:19] » I don't know. We don't need to know

[4:47:19] right now, but uh that's time to meet

[4:47:40] in the afternoon around the same time

[4:47:44] late

[4:47:52] » during the week

[4:47:54] >> and and around this same time after 6.

[4:47:57] » and and around this same time after 6.

[4:47:57] >> Okay.

[4:47:57] » Okay.

[4:47:58] >> Anytime after 6.

[4:48:00] » Anytime after 6.

[4:48:00] >> Similar.

[4:48:01] » Similar.

[4:48:01] >> Does that work

[4:48:02] » Does that work

[4:48:02] >> actually? Okay.

[4:48:03] » actually? Okay.

[4:48:03] >> Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll

[4:48:06] » Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll

[4:48:06] notice it. We're going to try and fit

[4:48:07] into everybody's calendar and we'll try

[4:48:09] and get it as close possible to that

[4:48:11] that time frame. And it might be good

[4:48:13] that you uh be part of that uh group

[4:48:15] too, Francisco. Translate.

[4:48:18] >> I I graciously take your invitation and

[4:48:21] » I I graciously take your invitation and

[4:48:21] I will be there.

[4:48:22] >> Very good.

[4:48:38] um when you guys decide on a date uh you

[4:48:41] will let everybody know.

[4:48:43] >> Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it

[4:48:45] » Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it

[4:48:45] and also talk about it at probably our

[4:48:46] next council meeting.

[4:48:47] >> What location will you use? Will you use

[4:48:49] » What location will you use? Will you use

[4:48:49] the same room?

[4:48:50] >> Announce that. We don't want to

[4:48:52] » Announce that. We don't want to

[4:48:52] we have no night. Uh they're going to

[4:48:54] have to schedule this and so we have no

[4:48:56] idea when or where.

[4:48:58] >> So why don't we why don't we do this?

[4:48:59] » So why don't we why don't we do this?

[4:48:59] >> When you do that date, you'll give that

[4:49:01] » When you do that date, you'll give that

[4:49:01] information.

[4:49:01] >> We're going to be renovating city hall.

[4:49:03] » We're going to be renovating city hall.

[4:49:04] >> So Mr. Mayor,

[4:49:04] » So Mr. Mayor,

[4:49:04] >> we're going to move our meetings out to

[4:49:06] » we're going to move our meetings out to

[4:49:06] the east side of Centennial Park, too.

[4:49:08] >> Mr. We're getting a little out of

[4:49:10] » Mr. We're getting a little out of

[4:49:10] control here. So let's be clear. We are

[4:49:13] you can do it by motion or by consensus

[4:49:16] to create an ad hoc committee to address

[4:49:19] the food truck issue. So it's a limited

[4:49:21] scope. It's related to the food truck

[4:49:23] ordinance uh for a limited period of

[4:49:26] time. Come back within the next 6

[4:49:27] months,

[4:49:29] >> 90 days, whatever the appropriate time

[4:49:31] » 90 days, whatever the appropriate time

[4:49:31] frame is. Um

[4:49:33] and then designate who's going to be on

[4:49:36] it. And

[4:49:36] >> so move second.

[4:49:38] » so move second.

[4:49:38] >> We already have our two

[4:49:40] » We already have our two

[4:49:40] >> two people now. call for the question.

[4:49:42] » two people now. call for the question.

[4:49:42] >> No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish

[4:49:45] » No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish

[4:49:45] up.

[4:49:45] >> Okay. So, we just need to be clear for

[4:49:48] » Okay. So, we just need to be clear for

[4:49:48] purposes of the minutes that you could

[4:49:50] do it by motion or consensus. I don't

[4:49:51] care either way. We need the names of

[4:49:54] the people who are going to be on it,

[4:49:55] the period of time, and the limited

[4:49:57] scope. And then it's an ad hoc committee

[4:49:59] that is not subject to the Brown Act.

[4:50:01] >> So, what do we think staff as far as

[4:50:03] » So, what do we think staff as far as

[4:50:03] time calendar? I mean, how many months

[4:50:05] are you thinking here roughly?

[4:50:08] Any idea?

[4:50:10] three months.

[4:50:12] >> It's going to be three to six months.

[4:50:13] » It's going to be three to six months.

[4:50:13] >> Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to

[4:50:17] » Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to

[4:50:17] have drawn.

[4:50:18] >> So let's just

[4:50:19] » So let's just

[4:50:19] >> or we can just do by consensus, right?

[4:50:21] » or we can just do by consensus, right?

[4:50:21] >> Consensus.

[4:50:22] » Consensus.

[4:50:22] >> Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to

[4:50:24] » Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to

[4:50:24] have Councilman Bos Councilman.

[4:50:26] >> Nope.

[4:50:29] » Nope.

[4:50:29] >> There were two there were two different

[4:50:30] » There were two there were two different

[4:50:30] motions. So there was

[4:50:31] >> We have a motion. We have a motion on

[4:50:33] » We have a motion. We have a motion on

[4:50:33] the floored motion.

[4:50:35] >> Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I

[4:50:38] » Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I

[4:50:38] think what Elizabeth is trying to do is

[4:50:40] more concise uh information as to what

[4:50:44] we're doing.

[4:50:45] >> Can we have a council member that speaks

[4:50:47] » Can we have a council member that speaks

[4:50:47] Spanish in the in this meeting in this

[4:50:49] committee at hawk?

[4:50:51] >> We have you

[4:50:52] » We have you

[4:50:52] >> actually I think

[4:50:53] » actually I think

[4:50:53] >> she she could be in the audience.

[4:50:55] » she she could be in the audience.

[4:50:55] >> I know I can't be in the audience cuz of

[4:50:57] » I know I can't be in the audience cuz of

[4:50:57] Brown. So I know people were sort of

[4:51:00] joking with my exuberance but I I do

[4:51:03] think it makes sense to have me on the

[4:51:05] ad hoc. I think I bring a little

[4:51:07] different perspective than Mr. Gregory,

[4:51:09] a little different history, and I also

[4:51:11] have a connection with HBA and our our

[4:51:15] business owners. Mr.

[4:51:17] >> Spanish,

[4:51:18] » Spanish,

[4:51:18] >> can I speak Spanish?

[4:51:19] » can I speak Spanish?

[4:51:19] >> Okay. All right. I don't care really

[4:51:21] » Okay. All right. I don't care really

[4:51:21] personally, but I'm going to leave it up

[4:51:23] to you, too.

[4:51:29] » Yeah, I know. But, uh, it's all going to

[4:51:32] be just a consensus here anyway. I'm not

[4:51:34] calling for a motion. So, you guys still

[4:51:38] want to hold it? And

[4:51:39] >> I think I think we're still the best

[4:51:41] » I think I think we're still the best

[4:51:41] people for it, John.

[4:51:43] >> Okay.

[4:51:44] » Okay.

[4:51:44] >> All due respect, gentlemen.

[4:51:47] » All due respect, gentlemen.

[4:51:47] >> All right. Again, Francisco, you're

[4:51:48] » All right. Again, Francisco, you're

[4:51:48] going to be there anyway. Um, and it's

[4:51:50] all coming back.

[4:51:51] >> Peter, you're welcome to be there, too.

[4:51:54] » Peter, you're welcome to be there, too.

[4:51:54] >> Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us

[4:51:55] » Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us

[4:51:55] for final consent and, you know,

[4:51:58] approval.

[4:51:59] >> So, this is just investigated the way I

[4:52:01] » So, this is just investigated the way I

[4:52:01] see it. you guys are bringing back

[4:52:02] information for us to further discuss.

[4:52:04] So we want to have again Councilman Bos,

[4:52:07] Councilman Gregory for 3 to six month

[4:52:10] term of an ad hoc and we're going to be

[4:52:14] asking staff to provide information to

[4:52:16] that group and notice it to the public

[4:52:19] whenever we can get a meeting room and

[4:52:21] time to accommodate the number that

[4:52:24] might be appropriate. And then mayor, if

[4:52:27] I can add, uh, given the discussion

[4:52:29] tonight, we'll likely look into having,

[4:52:31] uh, city translation services available

[4:52:34] and do that, too. Okay.

[4:52:36] >> All right. So, is that good u consensus

[4:52:39] » All right. So, is that good u consensus

[4:52:39] enough or you were only call for a vote

[4:52:41] on on that motion? There was a motion by

[4:52:44] you, too.

[4:52:44] >> We have a motion on the floor.

[4:52:46] » We have a motion on the floor.

[4:52:46] >> Yeah.

[4:52:46] » Yeah.

[4:52:46] >> Which motion?

[4:52:47] » Which motion?

[4:52:47] >> So, we have a motion on the floor to

[4:52:49] » So, we have a motion on the floor to

[4:52:49] create an ad hoc committee

[4:52:51] regarding the food truck ordinance

[4:52:53] issues. can the ad hoc is Mr. Gregory

[4:52:56] and Mr. Bosch and they will report back

[4:52:59] within 6 months.

[4:53:00] >> 6 months max. Yeah.

[4:53:03] » 6 months max. Yeah.

[4:53:03] >> Okay.

[4:53:04] » Okay.

[4:53:04] >> Go ahead and call.

[4:53:05] » Go ahead and call.

[4:53:05] >> I need clarification on who made the

[4:53:06] » I need clarification on who made the

[4:53:06] motion and who seconded.

[4:53:08] >> Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was

[4:53:09] » Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was

[4:53:09] seconded by Mr. Gregory.

[4:53:11] >> Thank you.

[4:53:14] » Thank you.

[4:53:14] >> Council member Bosch.

[4:53:15] » Council member Bosch.

[4:53:15] >> I.

[4:53:15] » I.

[4:53:15] >> Council member Gregory.

[4:53:17] » Council member Gregory.

[4:53:17] >> I.

[4:53:17] » I.

[4:53:17] >> Council member Beiel.

[4:53:18] » Council member Beiel.

[4:53:18] >> No.

[4:53:19] » No.

[4:53:19] >> Council member Strong.

[4:53:20] » Council member Strong.

[4:53:20] >> Yes.

[4:53:21] » Yes.

[4:53:21] >> Mayor Hammond.

[4:53:22] » Mayor Hammond.

[4:53:22] >> I. Motion passes.

[4:53:24] » I. Motion passes.

[4:53:24] >> Okay. All right. So, you guys get going.

[4:53:27] » Okay. All right. So, you guys get going.

[4:53:27] >> Okay.

[4:53:28] » Okay.

[4:53:28] >> Report out. Okay.

[4:53:31] » Report out. Okay.

[4:53:31] >> All right. We're moving on to last item

[4:53:33] » All right. We're moving on to last item

[4:53:33] we have pretty much is u city manager

[4:53:36] report. Mr. Hua.

[4:53:37] >> Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's

[4:53:39] » Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's

[4:53:39] actually an update from a question we

[4:53:41] had earlier tonight. Um,

[4:53:44] >> thank you.

[4:53:47] » thank you.

[4:53:47] >> Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP

[4:53:50] » Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP

[4:53:50] project updates are actually already

[4:53:52] published on the city's website uh under

[4:53:54] the public works department web page,

[4:53:56] but we'll uh work on making those more

[4:53:58] front and center on the city website.

[4:54:00] Other than that, no other updates for

[4:54:02] you this evening. Thank you.

[4:54:04] >> Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave

[4:54:07] » Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave

[4:54:07] here.

[4:54:22] Okay, we're on then to council business

[4:54:25] and committee reports. Uh, council

[4:54:26] member,

[4:54:28] >> really, really quickly, uh, we went to

[4:54:30] » really, really quickly, uh, we went to

[4:54:30] the labor uh, presentation at the fair

[4:54:33] about apprenticeships and sort of the

[4:54:35] role of, uh, construction jobs as being

[4:54:38] head of household jobs. I thought that

[4:54:39] was really interesting. The big

[4:54:41] bookmobile is great. Thank you, Mr.

[4:54:44] Freys, for our e excellent community

[4:54:46] development tour. Um the the Royal Lake

[4:54:50] Meadows Park ribbon cutting was

[4:54:53] beautiful along with Riverwalk Terrace.

[4:54:56] I think it's really important to take a

[4:54:58] minute and really celebrate these great

[4:55:01] things that happen and, you know, thank

[4:55:03] my colleagues for helping get them to

[4:55:05] this place. Um, I went to the uh,

[4:55:08] housing services oversight council. I

[4:55:12] thought it was interesting that 73, you

[4:55:14] know, they're working on data and it's a

[4:55:16] little challenging, but one of the

[4:55:17] metrics is that 73% of the families

[4:55:19] going through coordinated entry ended up

[4:55:21] in permanent housing. So, that's a

[4:55:25] wonderful metric, but just remember that

[4:55:27] it's challenging because when people

[4:55:29] leave the area, it's hard to tra track

[4:55:32] track them. So, we don't always know the

[4:55:34] outcomes with some people. A lot of

[4:55:36] constituent services things. Um, I'm

[4:55:39] going to my newly elected uh academy in

[4:55:43] Oxnard next week. So, wish me luck. But

[4:55:46] uh I appreciate the opportunity to be of

[4:55:49] service and thank you to all the staff

[4:55:51] for everything that you do. Um that's it

[4:55:54] for me. Thank

[4:55:59] » Councilman Strong.

[4:56:02] >> Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the

[4:56:05] » Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the

[4:56:05] urban cutting over there for the new uh

[4:56:08] uh uh what is it? Oaks, not Oaks Park.

[4:56:13] >> Royal Oaks.

[4:56:14] » Royal Oaks.

[4:56:14] >> Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And

[4:56:17] » Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And

[4:56:17] a lot of little, it was a real toty.

[4:56:23] They made a great backdrop to the ribbon

[4:56:25] cutting even. And we put some down in

[4:56:27] front as well. So, that was that was

[4:56:29] kind of great. That was really neat. Uh

[4:56:31] my biggest meeting was meeting of uh uh

[4:56:37] that was uh well actually it wasn't low

[4:56:39] sand it was concerning low sand and we

[4:56:42] did have a low sand meeting and that's

[4:56:44] what this train is all about. U we are

[4:56:49] having the surf liner now to have

[4:56:52] special trains just for special events.

[4:56:54] This one is for Disneyland's 70th

[4:56:57] anniversary. And there will be special

[4:56:59] trains to Disneyland, but also they're

[4:57:02] going to have special drain trains for

[4:57:04] some of the other events such as the

[4:57:06] Olympics in uh LA and also at various

[4:57:12] racetracks when they're operating. We're

[4:57:14] working very diligently to have them

[4:57:16] have special trains for our midstate

[4:57:17] fair as well so that we can get some

[4:57:20] people up on those trains and that is

[4:57:23] under consideration. But right now the

[4:57:25] train service is interrupted and I was

[4:57:28] on the phone with one of the executives

[4:57:30] of Union Pacific because Union Pacific

[4:57:34] has shut down the train down at LMPoke

[4:57:38] because we are putting in a new bridge

[4:57:41] that is going to be a through bridge.

[4:57:43] Right now, our trains at that area, if a

[4:57:46] freight is coming through, they have to

[4:57:48] get off the track and back up onto a

[4:57:50] mile and a half long uh siding,

[4:57:54] and it doesn't have an exit. So, when

[4:57:56] the train goes past, then it has to back

[4:57:58] up a mile and a half to get back on the

[4:58:00] track and proceed forward. This bridge

[4:58:02] will complete that over a stretch of the

[4:58:04] ocean to get to the other side. And it's

[4:58:07] very delicate. So we had a big big uh uh

[4:58:11] disagreement with Vandenberg because for

[4:58:13] one month they have to suspend all

[4:58:15] rockets. So there will be no uh rocket

[4:58:18] launches for one month while that train

[4:58:21] while that bridge is under construction

[4:58:23] because we'll have workers walking on

[4:58:26] girders up there putting this together

[4:58:28] and the rocket launches cause the ver

[4:58:30] gers the girdters to vibrate which would

[4:58:33] then knock these people into the ocean

[4:58:34] could drown them. we can't have workers

[4:58:37] out there getting killed for doing their

[4:58:39] job. So, reluctantly, Vandenberg agreed

[4:58:43] and that is now underway. Um, they also

[4:58:47] had a request from Cal Pali to have

[4:58:48] their own private sighting at their

[4:58:51] campus. So, we had to talk about that

[4:58:54] and realize that they're meeting with

[4:58:56] them this week on Friday to say no, that

[4:59:00] doesn't make good sense because the only

[4:59:02] place the current track uh actually

[4:59:05] connects with the campus is out by CMC

[4:59:09] on its way up the grade.

[4:59:12] And to go up the grade, they'd have to

[4:59:14] go all the way to the Bay Area to turn

[4:59:16] around, which makes no sense when or

[4:59:20] else they're going to have to back up

[4:59:21] all the way back to the station. Well,

[4:59:23] the station is just as close to the main

[4:59:26] campus as that place 2 miles down across

[4:59:30] the campus in their A area. So the

[4:59:34] recommendation to Calpali is to get a

[4:59:37] bus, hire a bus driver, meet the trains

[4:59:39] at the station, and take the students

[4:59:41] where they have to go. And that's where

[4:59:44] we left that. And that's probably the

[4:59:46] end of my report right now.

[4:59:47] >> All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council

[4:59:49] » All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council

[4:59:50] Bel,

[4:59:53] » uh, like Council Member Beiel, um,

[4:59:56] attended the Midstate Fair, the trade

[4:59:58] presentation annual event. It's great

[5:00:00] event. uh uh great program uh to get

[5:00:03] young people involved in apprenticeship

[5:00:05] programs. Uh the Riverwalk Terrace,

[5:00:08] thank you for a great project that

[5:00:09] turned out very nice to our housing

[5:00:11] authority folks. Um the

[5:00:16] um attended the Pastor's Groundwater

[5:00:19] Authority meeting on the 23rd. Um

[5:00:21] attended the pancake breakfast on the

[5:00:24] 24th downtown park. Thank you to the

[5:00:26] fair. Thank you to Main Street. Thank

[5:00:28] you to ReMax for uh uh hosting us. I'm

[5:00:31] not sure I heard a final number on how

[5:00:32] many people they serve, but there were a

[5:00:34] lot of people in the park getting free

[5:00:35] pancakes. Um the on the 25th uh spent uh

[5:00:41] the day in legal deposition for the slow

[5:00:44] tribune uh court case, uh the youth

[5:00:48] sports council got uh rescheduled and

[5:00:50] finally um it was cancelled until next

[5:00:53] month. um 10 of the Royal Oaks Park

[5:00:56] ribbon cutting thanks to Venato for a

[5:00:58] great park. Um and uh the addition to uh

[5:01:02] the basketball court and uh football

[5:01:05] courts that will soon to be opened. Um

[5:01:10] I think I was going to ask for something

[5:01:12] to be agendaized, but I think we've

[5:01:14] already taken care of it. So that's my

[5:01:16] report.

[5:01:17] >> Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg.

[5:01:19] » Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg.

[5:01:20] >> Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to

[5:01:24] » Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to

[5:01:24] meet with um Mr. Hammond and John Bashon

[5:01:27] and our primary subject was about

[5:01:29] libraries and Helic I think you know

[5:01:32] what that's all about but uh he was uh I

[5:01:36] think John did a really good job on

[5:01:37] softening them up and see if we can fix

[5:01:39] that issue hopefully. Um and then also

[5:01:42] uh I chaired LAFCO um and uh we looked

[5:01:47] at a couple items for uh some

[5:01:50] annexations and it's pretty uneventful

[5:01:53] and um then uh the rest of the time I've

[5:01:56] been taking care of Auggie on the road

[5:01:59] in the water. So thank you and thank you

[5:02:02] for the fair board and what the fair

[5:02:04] does for our community and our staff

[5:02:06] tonight. Thank you for all your work.

[5:02:08] >> Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically

[5:02:13] » Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically

[5:02:13] that we've been a few weeks since we've

[5:02:15] met. Um of course the fair happened. I

[5:02:17] did several presentations on behalf of

[5:02:18] the city on several different events

[5:02:21] there and um it was a great fair. I

[5:02:23] think very well done by Kolam Boragus

[5:02:25] and the board. Um they also had two um

[5:02:30] pastorals groundwater authority meetings

[5:02:33] uh in the past uh time that we've met.

[5:02:36] Uh the last one was last Friday and uh

[5:02:40] we were asked why we didn't have an

[5:02:42] agenda item on it because again it was

[5:02:44] uh not able to be noticed on tonight's

[5:02:46] meeting because of the time frame. I do

[5:02:49] uh have Christopher preparing

[5:02:51] Christopher Lac our water utility

[5:02:53] manager. Um going to be doing a full

[5:02:55] presentation this next meeting on that.

[5:02:58] In short, basically the um uh protest

[5:03:02] did uh accomplish the uh number of

[5:03:05] votes. We had a threshold of about 642

[5:03:08] out of the,85

[5:03:10] that I think we were noticed. Um the

[5:03:13] minimous users were not noticed. It was

[5:03:15] only the commercial users and of those

[5:03:17] they uh had a majority protest of about

[5:03:20] 680 the last I saw. So they did uh

[5:03:24] achieve the goal that we were not able

[5:03:26] to take action on the rate study that we

[5:03:28] had planned for the U JPA. So we'll be

[5:03:33] talking about that and how that might

[5:03:34] work. We have another meeting set up uh

[5:03:37] I think on the 18th or 17th of Monday is

[5:03:40] our next one coming up for the JPA just

[5:03:43] before our next meeting here. So that'll

[5:03:46] be more information that uh staff will

[5:03:49] be giving us a full report. um also

[5:03:52] attended the Oak Park uh park ribbon

[5:03:54] cutting out there. That was very well

[5:03:56] done. That tot lot that we had done many

[5:03:58] many years ago was completely revamped.

[5:04:00] I think we saw Councilman Bouch was

[5:04:03] there too and uh and Councilman Strong

[5:04:06] uh and actually Yeah, Be was there too.

[5:04:09] Yeah, very good. So, at any rate, great

[5:04:12] little tot

[5:04:16] while we were trying to do the ribbon

[5:04:17] cutting. That was amazing. Yeah, it's

[5:04:18] very well done.

[5:04:20] Uh, and that's about all I had. Um, I

[5:04:22] did want to ask Jonathan, our fire

[5:04:24] chief, are we do we have any staff down

[5:04:26] there at the Gford fire at all right

[5:04:28] now?

[5:04:29] >> Six.

[5:04:29] » Six.

[5:04:30] >> Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like

[5:04:32] » Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like

[5:04:32] it's a pretty tough one off of uh 166 in

[5:04:36] San Louis County. So, want to make sure

[5:04:38] they're all safe and that we're

[5:04:40] definitely helping out with the effort.

[5:04:41] So, thank you.

[5:04:44] >> Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we

[5:04:47] » Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we

[5:04:47] have coming Pastor Robels Youth

[5:04:49] Commission Advisory Committee meeting

[5:04:50] August 6th, 5:00. Pass Robels Senior

[5:04:54] Citizen Advisory Committee meeting

[5:04:55] August 11th at 1:30. Development review

[5:04:59] committee is going to be August 11th uh

[5:05:01] at 3:30.

[5:05:03] Pass Robels Parks and Recreation

[5:05:05] Advisory Committee meeting August 11th

[5:05:07] at 4 p.m. The Pass Robles Planning

[5:05:10] Commission will be meeting uh here in

[5:05:11] this room on August 12th at 6:30. We

[5:05:15] also are going to have a Niblick Road

[5:05:17] pedestrian and bike improvement plan

[5:05:19] open house here at 5:30 uh August 13th.

[5:05:24] Next one is going to be the library

[5:05:26] board of trustees August 14th at 9:00

[5:05:29] a.m. Again, DRC development review

[5:05:32] committee is going to be August 18th at

[5:05:33] 3:30. And then our next meeting is going

[5:05:36] to be here on August 19th. This a

[5:05:38] pastoral city council meeting at 6:00

[5:05:40] pm.

[5:05:42] So I don't think I have anything else

[5:05:44] unless anybody else has anything

[5:05:46] further. Go ahead and look for a motion

[5:05:48] to adjurnn. Move

[5:05:48] >> to adjourn.

[5:05:49] » to adjourn.

[5:05:49] >> Second.

[5:05:50] » Second.

[5:05:50] >> Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to

[5:05:52] » Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to

[5:05:52] adjurnn. All in favor?

[5:05:54] >> I.

[5:05:55] » I.

[5:05:55] >> We stand adjourned. Go.

City Council

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