[0:06] yeah welcome to the town of

[0:09] emur town meeting for the evening of

[0:12] Monday November 4th

[0:14] 2024 at this time I'd ask you to please

[0:17] silence your cell phones of any rings

[0:21] beeps online gaming you name it if it's

[0:23] going to make a noise just put on

[0:24] vibrate thank you and then at this time

[0:27] I'd like to please invite you uh to

[0:29] stand for the Pledge of

[0:35] Allegiance United States of America to

[0:38] the Republic for which it stands one

[0:41] nation God indivisible liy and justice

[0:45] for

[0:49] all quick announcement before we get

[0:52] started uh commissioner Turnquist will

[0:54] not be with us tonight um and I not sure

[0:59] if Davis is on not yet okay if he if he said he was going to try to log in if

[1:06] he does just um yeah let us know all

[1:08] right thank you so future meetings

[1:12] include a workshop meeting on November

[1:14] 18th um at 6:30 here in the town office

[1:17] and on Zoom parks and recck committee

[1:19] meeting November 19th at 7:30 here in

[1:23] the town office we have the Christmas

[1:25] tree lighting in the front of the osburg

[1:28] community building at 6:15

[1:30] coming up on I don't have a date

[1:33] December 2nd December 2nd and then of

[1:36] course after that uh Carriage House has

[1:38] F festivities that you can go uh partake

[1:41] in after that we also have a Board of

[1:43] Commissioners meeting December 3rd 2024

[1:46] at se um 7M here in the town office and

[1:50] on Zoom all right are there any other

[1:54] meetings I believe there's going to be a

[1:56] Planning Commission meeting uh November

[1:58] 25th at 7

[2:00] p.m

[2:09] okay okay so Planning Commission meeting

[2:11] thank

[2:13] you all right any other meetings I'm

[2:18] need to be announced I think I think

[2:20] we're good all

[2:22] right so moving on to approving the um

[2:26] minutes for October 7th and October 22

[2:31] um commissioner Hagen I believe you had

[2:33] a a

[2:35] request yeah I just had for two

[2:37] Corrections if you go to page nine and

[2:41] down at the bottom for agenda item five

[2:44] that was a unanimous vote

[2:48] 5

[2:50] um and next on page 11 it had me

[2:55] bringing the motion and seconding my own

[2:58] motion

[3:02] that's all that I

[3:08] had uh what item I'm sorry it's right at

[3:11] the stop on page 11 it's the very first

[3:15] paragraph oh

[3:17] gotcha yeah I brought the motion and

[3:19] stck it into yes I see that you're you split yourself in half yes so the

[3:24] only thing that I would say commissioner

[3:25] Bowman poot is I actually asked Sabrina

[3:28] to go back and listen to agenda item

[3:29] number five on the vote and commissioner

[3:33] Hagen you did not vote okay so because I

[3:36] was surprised too and I had her go back

[3:38] and listen to it so that part's correct

[3:40] and then I didn't hear what you said on

[3:42] page 11 on page 11 the very first

[3:45] paragraph it has that I made the motion

[3:47] and then I seconded my own motion oh

[3:49] yeah that won't work so who who actually

[3:52] made the motion you did okay Hoover okay

[3:55] thank

[3:56] you

[3:58] um I did have a couple of um additions

[4:02] that I wanted to send to town staff for consideration to add

[4:07] into one on each set of the meeting

[4:10] minutes so I was going to ask if we

[4:12] could table these until next time until

[4:14] I can get those I can collaborate with

[4:16] Miss Willets um on adding that section

[4:21] uh Commissioners how do you feel about

[4:25] that fine with it I F okay is there a

[4:29] motion to table the meeting minutes

[4:32] until our next meeting so Mo thank you

[4:36] is there a second I second thank you any

[4:39] further discussion all in favor please

[4:41] say I motion carries with four eyes and uh

[4:49] commissioner turnquest is

[4:52] absent

[4:54] right um then we are moving on to our

[4:58] police report

[5:03] good evening um still myself and Deputy

[5:06] barow we used six holiday days of leave

[5:12] uh during the month of

[5:14] October um there's no Staffing CH

[5:16] changes myself and Deputy bartholo both

[5:19] had inservice

[5:21] training um we both had police one

[5:24] training

[5:26] online we had no issues with the

[5:28] Halloween that was a good night I also

[5:31] just wanted to note there I didn't have

[5:33] this down here but um we are made aware

[5:36] the crosswalks are really busy after

[5:39] school which we have been patrolling

[5:43] more um no Fleet issues with our cars we

[5:48] handled 129 calls for service we had two

[5:52] arrests 16 traffic

[5:55] stops uh there was a large fight on

[5:59] South SE Avenue at 133 South seatan

[6:03] that's being handled uh I'm pretty sure

[6:05] the people that live there are

[6:07] moving so that should be clearing up

[6:11] soon uh there was another assault this

[6:14] last Saturday and charges are being

[6:16] filed for first degrade

[6:18] assault that's separate from the one at

[6:21] 133 it is okay this this the other one

[6:24] was the same people but over in the park

[6:26] I see so okay um and that is all I have

[6:30] for you oh okay um couple questions um

[6:34] as far as the traffic stops do you see

[6:38] any pattern as as far as where

[6:41] your

[6:43] um most of our traffic stops are either

[6:45] going to be on Main Street or South Sean

[6:49] or North Sean okay and it's most likely

[6:52] for Speed uhhuh

[6:57] okay yeah okay do you it can range from

[7:00] all kinds of Lights Out I see all kind

[7:03] of different I'm sure like you're

[7:05] probably pretty busy um do a lot of

[7:07] speed enforcement though yeah and do you use radar um okay all right um

[7:13] thank you any further questions I just

[7:16] have one I'm sorry um I got email of um

[7:20] why I was at church

[7:22] on Sun Sunday at 10:30 my a bike was

[7:26] stol somebody wrote a bike to church and

[7:28] it was stol the church I didn't know if

[7:30] you got that or not I what what church

[7:33] is it St J's

[7:36] okay um oh Deputy Baro might have got it

[7:39] might have been it's award I just got

[7:40] the email tonight okay if you want to

[7:43] forward that to me okay make sure we get

[7:46] it yeah I had a couple parents reach out

[7:49] um about the students in the alleyway

[7:51] down here going to seat and and saying

[7:55] that people tend to be running the stop

[7:57] signs or speeding down there we were

[7:59] made aare of that we've been doing some

[8:01] CH stops

[8:03] okay thank you thank

[8:06] you okay moving on to the town manager

[8:11] report Miss Willets good evening this is

[8:13] the town manager report for September

[8:16] I'll just highlight some areas related

[8:18] to streets uh staff painted all the

[8:20] parking meter poles on East and West

[8:21] Main Street uh they also mow trimmed and

[8:24] weat killed along Irishtown Road uh the

[8:27] area of Way Cross Court to Brookfield

[8:29] Drive repaired two manhole Lids on

[8:31] Timber Mill Run and the contractor black

[8:34] topped a water leak patch on federal

[8:36] Avenue as well as a sewer line patch

[8:39] related to Parks staff trim tree limbs

[8:41] and shrubs around the walking trail

[8:43] bridge in Eugene Meers Park they also

[8:46] washed and cleaned the picnic tables in

[8:48] both uh Park Pavilions a staff worked

[8:51] with the contractor to install the new

[8:53] electronic locking doors on both Park

[8:55] restroom buildings um they are

[8:57] operational now uh related to Wastewater

[9:00] R treated an average of

[9:03] 64165 gallons per day and consumed

[9:06] roughly

[9:28] 283,000 rain um we at the time of this

[9:32] report had a precipitation surplus of

[9:35] only .94 in and I don't believe we've re

[9:39] we received much in October either uh

[9:42] Rainbow Lake uh at the time of the

[9:44] report was um two feet or two inches

[9:48] below the spillway level at 16.4 it's

[9:50] currently as of today at 16.3 FT uh

[9:54] you'll see the well

[9:57] depths on page 20 related to water

[10:00] production and

[10:02] consumption uh we produce an average

[10:08] 284,807

[10:11] 196 which meant the amount of backwashed

[10:14] water in the month of August was

[10:18] 8.22% with 70% coming from the wells and

[10:21] 30% coming from the lake uh trash pickup

[10:24] will remain on Mondays during the month

[10:25] of

[10:27] November you'll see some of the meetings

[10:29] I had attended in

[10:31] September um one thing staff work the

[10:33] yard was dumpstered twice in it should

[10:35] read September not November uh staff and

[10:38] contractor fixed a water leak on the 8

[10:40] inch Mainline on federal Avenue uh staff

[10:43] continues to meet with the Rainbow Lake

[10:44] Dam engineer to re review drawings and

[10:47] Tow drains uh I believe we have a

[10:49] meeting with them coming up in the near

[10:51] future to review their report and their

[10:53] findings of all their

[10:55] inspections uh staff assisted with a

[10:57] water leak at Daughters of Charity

[11:00] uh we completed the leadline service

[11:02] inventory for all the town-owned

[11:04] properties uh the town received heavy

[11:06] rain in the month of September however

[11:08] the capacity at the wastewater treatment

[11:10] plant is doing very well we did not have

[11:12] any overflows and temporary bypass at

[11:15] the pump station uh is performing well

[11:18] uh the town received nine additional SM

[11:20] smartman hole covers and our contractors

[11:24] is finishing the backwash project at the

[11:26] water plant and that's my report

[11:30] um thank

[11:31] you questions regarding the town manager

[11:37] report um just a a quick little tiny one

[11:41] with the locking doors that were

[11:42] installed and now are operational I know

[11:44] you mentioned this before at a previous

[11:47] meeting and I forgot do we know the

[11:49] times that it's open or what it's

[11:51] programmed to so right now it's program

[11:53] from 800 a to 9 is 8 8 8 to 8 okay um in

[12:01] the winter once we winterize all the

[12:03] bathrooms it'll go back to 8 to 7 PM the

[12:08] time change and then is that correct

[12:11] Jess yes okay and then in the summer

[12:13] they'll go to about 9:30 in the

[12:17] evening okay all right thank

[12:21] you that's

[12:23] exciting right any other questions

[12:26] comments no okay we are moving

[12:29] on um next is the grant ad administrator

[12:34] report M

[12:36] Shaw um good evening this is the grants

[12:39] administrator report as of October 29th

[12:42] on page 22 in the packet I currently

[12:46] have 16 active grants five grants

[12:48] waiting for an award or denial and then

[12:50] three Grant applications upcoming or

[12:52] that I'm waiting kind of to open um a

[12:55] few project highlights uh for the

[12:58] bathroom concession stand project the

[13:00] prefabricated bathroom building is

[13:01] scheduled to be delivered the week of

[13:03] November 18th the site is ready for the

[13:06] building aside from patomic Edison

[13:07] installing the Transformer the water

[13:10] clarifier project on the contractor cono

[13:12] is currently working clearing the site

[13:15] for the Rainbow Lake parking lot

[13:16] construction the site has been staked

[13:18] and we are waiting for the contractor to

[13:20] Begin work any day now when I spoke with

[13:22] the contractor last week they were

[13:23] waiting to do a preconstruction meeting

[13:25] with Frederick County to finalize the

[13:26] grading permit and then they're going to

[13:27] break ground hopefully this this week um

[13:30] for the replacement of the depal street

[13:32] water line an update will be provided

[13:34] during agenda item number one tonight

[13:36] for the welcome to Emmitsburg signs the

[13:39] contractor is waiting on State Highway

[13:41] to approve the sign design in issue a

[13:44] community Gateway sign permit that which

[13:47] was submitted last week the application

[13:48] was um once the permit is issued it will

[13:51] take approximately 10 weeks for

[13:53] fabrication

[13:54] installation for the crary road Pump

[13:56] Station the pre-fabricated building has

[13:58] been installed and the project is

[14:00] expected to be completed by February

[14:02] 14th and then the Red Trail rebuild in

[14:05] the Watershed the contractor has

[14:07] completed approximately 40% of the

[14:08] project and is planning to take a break

[14:10] during the rifle hunting season due to

[14:13] hunting be being allowed in the

[14:14] Watershed the contractor will resume

[14:17] after the holidays and construction will

[14:18] be completed by April 1st and then my

[14:21] meetings I attended in October listed

[14:24] are there any

[14:25] questions oh um I do have a question but

[14:29] I'd like to ask uh the other

[14:31] Commissioners first if you have any

[14:34] questions um I saw that the meeting

[14:37] about the electric vehicle Institute

[14:39] possibility of adding level three

[14:40] Chargers behind the town office I just

[14:42] wanted to know what that was sure um

[14:45] there was a grant due this week with

[14:47] sustainable Maryland and one of the

[14:49] possibilities we were looking at or one

[14:51] of the projects was putting level three

[14:53] fast charging stations um in town but

[14:56] with I had so I had like an initial

[14:59] consultation call with evi who installed

[15:01] what we currently have back there to see

[15:02] if it was possible how much it would

[15:04] cost things like that um and so that was

[15:07] that what that meeting was about so that

[15:09] would be in addition to what we already

[15:10] have it would but um after having my our

[15:14] meeting and talking with um Kathy and

[15:16] the mayor we decided not to pursue it

[15:18] because it's pretty expensive it' be we

[15:20] would it would be a huge shortfall on

[15:22] funding understood yeah thank you thank

[15:24] you very much I know that this is a lot

[15:26] of grants that you're juggling at one

[15:28] time and you're bringing a lot of money

[15:30] to the town so I want to thank you for

[15:31] all your hard work and time so it's

[15:34] always a pleasure to see

[15:37] you all right thank you

[15:41] thanks um uh moving on to town operation

[15:44] specialist

[15:46] report I have her report if anybody has

[15:49] any questions on it or wants me just to

[15:51] highlight real

[15:54] quick I um I'm sorry go ahead so she did

[15:57] the drawing today for the breast cancer

[15:59] awareness month I

[16:01] believe pretty much everybody came in

[16:03] and picked up uh their winnings from the

[16:05] Raffles she's still working on the tally

[16:08] to find out how much um the town

[16:10] actually raised uh the turkey trap

[16:12] registration is open uh We've shared

[16:16] some flyers all over the place and um

[16:19] former commissioner Donald has offered

[16:20] if we do some flyers he'll take them

[16:22] around to all the

[16:23] libraries um so that seems to be going

[16:26] very well the we are currently working

[16:30] on the emergency preparedness plan

[16:32] emergency action plan um it's just more

[16:36] updates and then the board will have to

[16:38] formally um it has to be approved or

[16:41] adopted by the board every five years so

[16:44] we're looking to bring that to the board

[16:45] after the first of the year after the

[16:46] holidays okay um she has a meeting with

[16:50] the mayor on November 13th for the

[16:52] churches and nonprofits to discuss

[16:54] weekly hot meals to go in a community

[16:56] events calendar uh she along with the

[17:00] town planner attended the mar Maryland

[17:02] Main Street conference on October

[17:05] 8th and she is working through some FEMA

[17:08] courses on emergency

[17:11] preparedness perfect thank you um I do

[17:16] know she's dressing up as a turkey for

[17:17] the turkey TR correct that is correct

[17:20] she dressed it up dressed up as a turkey

[17:21] for Halloween and here as well if anyone

[17:23] didn't see the pictures she's breaking

[17:25] in those feathers I know if there's any

[17:27] volunteer who wants to dress up as the

[17:29] pilgrim and chase her around she thinks

[17:31] that will add to the festive fund so

[17:34] just putting that out there all right

[17:36] the meeting on the 13th to 7

[17:40] o'clock yes or the non no 6 63030 6:30

[17:45] on November

[17:47] 13th thank you for clarification any

[17:50] other

[17:52] questions okay thank you moving

[17:55] on um

[18:00] looking for the town planners

[18:05] report good evening this is the town

[18:07] planners report um of during the month

[18:10] of

[18:11] September sorry it should be October

[18:15] um we processed eight um zoning permit

[18:20] applications uh related to development

[18:22] updates fedal Stone uh is under

[18:24] construction and has made significant

[18:26] progress their warehouse and um office

[18:31] building

[18:32] they're they've made significant

[18:35] progress on on those um I know they're

[18:38] awaiting some uh framing ceiling and

[18:40] building installation inspections and um

[18:43] we provided them information regarding

[18:45] their

[18:46] signage uh let's skip down to the Mount

[18:49] St Mary University um School of Health

[18:52] Professions there uh well the project is

[18:55] complete and we're awaiting as as buils

[18:58] light inspection

[18:59] were uh today it was actually this um

[19:02] today at 4:30 and um we should be

[19:06] getting that report

[19:07] soon um for emmittsburg Distillery we

[19:11] provided uh a bunch of more comments to

[19:14] the developer and the applicant has yet

[19:17] to finish addressing the County's

[19:20] comments um I'll skip on to EMT Ridge um

[19:25] the developer has been provided with the

[19:27] apfo application and that's and H

[19:30] information and that's something they're

[19:31] working on and they've also we had a

[19:35] short discussion regarding um the

[19:37] requirements uh for Irishtown Road and

[19:41] uh we did do some extensive research to

[19:44] see what was required by the town before

[19:47] as a condition condition of approval uh

[19:50] back in

[19:51] 1995 but that doesn't apply anymore yeah

[19:56] and then for uh North new Green Street

[19:59] project uh the plants have been uh

[20:02] they're still under review uh we got

[20:05] some comments back from the engineer and

[20:08] uh we actually presented the project at

[20:10] the hazard mitigation and climate adapt

[20:12] adaptation plan annual stakeholder

[20:15] meeting and um people seem to really

[20:18] like it some people also asked for

[20:20] copies of the concept

[20:22] plan um another one I want to mention is

[20:25] the solar panels on Daughters of Chari

[20:27] property the property is technically

[20:29] outside of town limits but the

[20:31] interconnection point is within Town

[20:33] limits so they do need a zoning permit

[20:36] and that was issued

[20:38] um last week or the week

[20:42] before um for how skip down to storm

[20:46] water management the ms4 annual report

[20:50] was submitted on October

[20:52] 29th and um another one I want to

[20:56] mention is that the storm order utility

[20:58] fee we have a formal process for those

[21:01] who think their fee should be adjusted

[21:05] so we received one one adjustment

[21:07] application and that's been processed um

[21:10] basically the fee doesn't apply to

[21:12] properties that are outside of town

[21:14] limits so we made that uh made that

[21:18] correction and so oh great thank you um

[21:23] Planning Commission I'll leave that for

[21:25] um commissioner Hoover and the

[21:27] comprehensive plan uh I'll be presenting

[21:30] that

[21:30] tonight and um for Grants at the iig

[21:35] adnr uh Grant the progress report was

[21:38] submitted last month along with another

[21:41] invoice and um we coordinated with glow

[21:46] fiber regarding their uh permitting

[21:48] requirements for street closure closure

[21:51] and I have a um listed the uh meetings

[21:57] that I've attended during the month of

[22:00] October thank you very much um questions

[22:04] commissioner Hagen I noticed in the

[22:06] meetings you met with range rain escapes

[22:09] any chance we can lure them out of

[22:10] Gettysburg to

[22:12] Emmitsburg we're we're working on that

[22:17] yeah any other

[22:20] questions I just have one quick one um

[22:24] regarding Village Liquor Plaza in is

[22:27] that still happening or I thought it

[22:31] wasn't happening and now yeah we thought

[22:34] it was happening but we since they

[22:37] renewed their grading

[22:39] permit I believe they have plans to do

[22:42] this in the future but they may not have

[22:45] the capital to move forward at this time

[22:47] understood okay thank you for the

[22:50] clarification any other

[22:52] questions okay we are moving on to um

[22:58] commissioner comments uh we'll start

[23:00] with commissioner Hagen um last Saturday

[23:03] I had the pleasure of attending the

[23:05] seeden center 55th anniversary gala

[23:08] event so they're switching over to lay

[23:11] management to the organization and

[23:13] they've laid out some pretty hopeful

[23:16] plans for the coming year such as

[23:18] daycare centers an additional food bank

[23:20] and they'll present more at the meeting

[23:22] on the 13th here but they have some PR

[23:25] broad goals that I think that will be

[23:27] helpful to the community

[23:29] and just wanted to remind tomorrow is

[23:31] election day if you have not voted get

[23:34] out and vote it doesn't matter who you

[23:36] support or if you're going to vote the

[23:38] entire ballot what's important is you

[23:40] get out there and

[23:42] vote thank you commissioner Sweeney I

[23:45] agree make sure you come out and vote

[23:47] tomorrow

[23:51] uh I'd like to thank everybody for

[23:54] Halloween the um everything went really

[23:56] well for the Halloween celebration we

[23:58] had on the town with all the with all

[24:00] the organizations helping the town the

[24:03] fire company the VFW the legion the

[24:06] Knights of Columbus the Lions Club the police department uh everyone worked

[24:13] together and we had a good event and it

[24:14] was really it was really busy this year

[24:17] it's our best year we've had for a while

[24:19] and the weather helped too so was nice

[24:23] so thanks for everybody for their help

[24:25] and and the next Community town

[24:29] party will be

[24:30] Christmas December the 14th Saturday

[24:33] from 10: to 1 at the activities building

[24:37] and at the um at the fire companies

[24:40] activities building on Queeny Road from

[24:42] 10: to one and that's a town Christmas

[24:45] party with s Mr Mrs Santa Claus and the

[24:50] food and activities for them to do he

[24:53] thank you thank you um commissioner

[24:56] Hoover

[24:58] uh we did have the uh plan and Zoning

[25:00] meeting on October 28th it was very

[25:03] brief short meeting but we did talk a

[25:05] little bit about the mun Municipal

[25:07] growth section for the future boundaries

[25:10] possibilities and transportation section

[25:12] um just more of a brief overview um very

[25:15] briefly never real um questions comments

[25:19] to were discussed there everybody seem

[25:22] to be happy with what we have going on

[25:23] what town planner has done she's doing a

[25:24] good job and um our meeting lasted about

[25:27] 17 minutes so not a whole lot to discuss

[25:29] of

[25:30] it but so and uh for the future meeting

[25:34] in December 3rd I think it is um I may not be in

[25:41] attendance that's it December 3D it's

[25:44] not a town meeting oh that's the Oh you

[25:47] mean the Board of Commissioners meeting

[25:49] yes

[25:50] okay yeah all right thank you um as far

[25:54] as my comments go I want to Echo what

[25:57] commissioner Sweeney said as far as

[25:59] thank you to all Town staff and all the

[26:01] different organizations that help make

[26:03] Halloween a success for our kids and

[26:05] adults and everyone who wanted to

[26:07] partake in the

[26:08] festivities um also actually I should

[26:11] have asked this it looks like we have a

[26:14] business urg mini mark That's now where

[26:17] the Valero used to be I didn't even I'm

[26:19] sorry I didn't ask about that um right

[26:22] um well it's outside of town limits oh

[26:24] that's yeah but there is yeah there

[26:27] iburg

[26:29] and they're open y yes um right there as

[26:32] you come into town thank you sorry about

[26:35] that um and then

[26:37] also um we I believe we have several

[26:42] vacancies for parks and recre and

[26:44] citizens advisory committee meetings so

[26:48] a lot of that depends on public support

[26:52] resident support volunteers who are

[26:55] hoping to make a difference and want

[26:57] their voices heard so if you are

[26:59] interested we do have we do have spots

[27:02] available um how would they uh go about

[27:05] doing that do they email the town

[27:08] directly they can email um Sabrina or

[27:11] anybody at the town and then we

[27:14] typically send that over to the mayor

[27:16] and whoever the committee liaison is and

[27:19] they should reach out and if it then

[27:21] it's a if it's a match then it'll come

[27:23] to the board for approval okay perfect

[27:26] and then um

[27:28] and just a a small reminder to uh all of

[27:32] us around town we do have people stop us

[27:35] along the way and tell us what they

[27:37] think and have opinions and concerns and

[27:39] we want you to bring your voices forth

[27:42] so please for not so much talking to

[27:45] people here in the seats but people out

[27:48] there if um please come to the town

[27:51] meetings speak at public comment email

[27:54] the Town Council we want to hear your

[27:57] feedback in way that

[28:00] is that we can use and collaborate here

[28:04] at not only up here for Town Council but

[28:06] also with our residents so um please

[28:09] spread the word and that's all I have um

[28:13] I believe we have mayor Davis on the

[28:15] line if he has any mayor

[28:19] comments hi good evening can you hear me

[28:22] yes okay um I really don't have anything

[28:25] it's just been a real busy uh busy month

[28:28] and uh you all have touched them on just

[28:31] about everything so uh that's all I got

[28:33] and we can keep on

[28:35] going thank

[28:39] you okay and with that we're moving on

[28:43] to administrative

[28:45] business uh for consideration free

[28:48] holiday metered parking with all

[28:49] proceeds being donated to the emsur food

[28:54] bank we don't have to vote on this

[28:56] correct it's administr we do public

[28:59] comment did I skip that oh my gosh I was

[29:03] so excited about free holiday parking

[29:05] I'm sorry I'll backtrack public comment

[29:08] we have two for public comment when your

[29:10] name is called you can come up to the

[29:12] microphone press the button so it turns

[29:14] red and you have four minutes to speak

[29:16] and you can watch the timer in front to

[29:19] see how much time you have left uh first

[29:22] up we have Mr Jack Weller

[29:32] hello um I don't know if anybody read

[29:35] the paper but I'm gonna stop you just

[29:36] for a minute can you state your name and

[29:38] whether you live in or outside Town

[29:40] limits I live my name's Jack Weller I

[29:42] live outside the town limits perfect I'm

[29:44] not I'm not a town resident um on the

[29:47] November 2024 uh toen Banner the the

[29:51] headline there on the one page was mburg

[29:54] goes dry and they were talking about 50

[29:55] years ago in 1974 when the lake

[29:58] was down evidently 5 feet which I

[30:02] thought wasn't that much further down

[30:05] than what it was last year which I'm

[30:06] pretty sure was three and a half feet

[30:09] and but anyway um I was just uh amazed

[30:12] at the D thing they had to pump water

[30:15] from another lake or another Reservoir

[30:18] into it to to get it up to Snuff and

[30:20] then of course the mount was asked to

[30:23] extend their uh Thanksgiving break so

[30:27] that they use less

[30:29] and but anyway I was just I just

[30:31] couldn't believe that the D thing was

[30:32] down that far that's all that was the

[30:34] first thing and the second thing was

[30:37] mayor Davis uh made a comment I think it

[30:39] was just last uh last meeting that he

[30:42] would there was a a town uh a building

[30:45] in town that he would like to condemn

[30:47] but he he said he couldn't do it and so

[30:50] I was wondering why he doesn't get any

[30:53] support for this uh that's all because

[30:56] that's what he said there's no there's

[30:58] no support for it and of course he's not

[31:02] here he hears you though oh yeah and my

[31:06] third thing and last was that I agree

[31:09] with the colum writer who uh also and I

[31:12] think that was in the other paper the uh

[31:14] urg osburg free paper about the apathy

[31:19] and the fact that uh if you talk to the people on the Town Council they

[31:23] listen to you I agree with that 100% And I and you're I just wanted to also

[31:29] make a mention that the guy the man's uh

[31:32] writing is pretty good I think and I do

[31:34] reading okay that's all thank you very

[31:39] much um next up we have Mr Eric

[31:51] Sloan Eric Sloan I live here in

[31:54] town uh this is in in references how

[31:59] much of a mess is the next increment for

[32:02] the water bill going to make because I

[32:04] hear from various people that it doesn't

[32:06] matter and I hear from other people that

[32:08] they you know they're running a ride

[32:09] being able to buy food pay their rent

[32:11] because the price of everything has gone

[32:13] up and it is just a a standard of

[32:16] business you know it costs more to get

[32:18] it out of the ground it costs more to

[32:20] get it to the people so the prices are

[32:22] going to go up and in the future you

[32:25] know one or two% increase

[32:28] every year would be a whole lot better

[32:29] than having the villagers with

[32:31] pitchforks and torches as the old movies

[32:33] that have

[32:34] it and as far as the looking forward

[32:38] into the next couple years for you know

[32:40] our Dream list of things to

[32:42] do uh a more serious view of what it's

[32:45] going to take to maintain the failing

[32:47] infrastructure of the

[32:49] town because it's you know the sewer

[32:52] line that runs

[32:55] from where I live down to the pump

[32:57] station was put in during the Civilian

[32:59] Conservation Corps it's 4 foot long clay

[33:02] and slip and it's not going to take a

[33:04] whole lot longer before it needs to be

[33:07] replaced and that's probably one of the

[33:08] newer

[33:10] sections uh you know it's it's we're

[33:14] going to end up looking like tny town

[33:15] did for a couple years with everything

[33:17] all dug the heck up and it's just going

[33:20] to be something to live with you you

[33:22] can't live in a town and not deal with

[33:25] it and the last bit is uh does the mount have

[33:32] any way to monitor their first year

[33:34] students that are living in town because

[33:38] there was a batch of them came down

[33:40] Lincoln down creary went over to the

[33:43] Dollar General left there sat down the

[33:46] ice cream shop when they left the ice

[33:48] cream shop they were throwing all kinds

[33:49] of stuff at my fence and screaming at my

[33:51] dogs and when I reminded to him that uh

[33:53] animal cruelty in the state is a fell in

[33:55] the offense with a bunch of f words and

[33:58] F bombs and they took off back wherever

[34:00] they came from

[34:02] now somebody needs to hold their hand

[34:05] because their parents can't do it

[34:06] anymore and if it ends up being the

[34:09] sheriff system for them throwing debris

[34:11] and stuff I don't think they're parents

[34:13] are gonna be all too fired having When

[34:15] Johnny Comes home because Mount threw

[34:18] him out because he's facing criminal

[34:19] charges for animal abuse so you know to

[34:23] get with the mount or whatever and say

[34:25] take care of this and keep it out of the whole juror system and keep it quiet

[34:30] and safe would be

[34:32] good that's all thank

[34:35] you um and I do think uh mayor Davis is working collaborative with

[34:41] collaboratively with Mount St Mary's to

[34:44] address some of those issues as well as

[34:47] um trying to create more of

[34:49] a positive relationship and um he's he's

[34:53] spent with them several times and we'll

[34:54] make sure to he probably hears us to uh

[34:58] pass that along thank

[35:01] you all right

[35:04] now that concludes public

[35:12] comments so now we can move on to

[35:14] administrative business for

[35:15] consideration free holiday metered

[35:18] parking with all proceeds being donated

[35:20] to the Emmitsburg Food

[35:23] Bank

[35:25] um so so is there a

[35:29] seconded thank you any further well

[35:32] there's no discussion administrative all

[35:34] in favor please say I I motion carries uh five or I'm sorry

[35:43] four with one

[35:45] absent all right moving on to consent

[35:48] agenda item number

[35:51] one for consideration approv approval of

[35:55] the Proclamation for MML municipal

[35:57] government works month

[36:01] so before

[36:03] we we approve that I will go ahead and

[36:06] read the

[36:07] proclamation which states Proclamation

[36:10] municipal government works month

[36:12] November 2024 the mayor and the Board of

[36:14] Commissioners of the town of Emmitsburg

[36:16] proclaimed November 2024 to be municipal

[36:19] government works month whereas the town

[36:22] was established in 1785 and whereas

[36:25] Maryland is home to 150 other

[36:28] municipalities and whereas municipal

[36:31] government represents the most

[36:32] responsive level of government allowing

[36:35] citizens to have direct access to

[36:37] elected officials and whereas in an

[36:40] effort to educate citizens about

[36:41] municipal government and the importance

[36:43] of their participation the town of emsur

[36:46] is proud to promote municipal government

[36:49] awareness and whereas municipalities

[36:52] have enhanced the quality of life for

[36:54] their respective residents maintaining

[36:56] natural and historic sites and

[36:58] structures and helping to make Maryland

[37:00] a great place to live work play and

[37:02] explore now therefore be it proclaimed

[37:05] that the mayor and the Board of

[37:07] Commissioners of the town of Emmitsburg

[37:09] Maryland here uh do hereby join the

[37:12] Maryland Municipal league in declaring

[37:14] November 2024 to be municipal government

[37:17] works month in emmittsburg which would

[37:20] be adopted today November 4th

[37:24] 2024 um all in favor please say oh I'm

[37:27] sorry is there a mo motion

[37:31] to accept the

[37:33] proclamation thank you is there a second

[37:36] I

[37:37] second um all in favor please say I I I motion carries with four to one

[37:47] abstain or one who is

[37:49] absent the next two for our consent

[37:52] agenda we can take together if that if

[37:56] that works for the Commissioners which

[37:58] is for consideration accept the

[38:01] resignation of Wayne Slaughter and Sandy

[38:03] Slaughter from the citizens advisory

[38:05] committee and for consideration appoint

[38:08] Wendy Hagen to the Parks and Recreation

[38:10] committee with a term of November 4th

[38:13] 20124 to November 4th

[38:18] 2026 um are are you okay with taking

[38:22] both of those together yes yes okay is

[38:26] there a motion you have to abstain

[38:28] commissioner hegen needs to abstain

[38:30] thank you so you need take so we'll have

[38:32] to take him separately all right

[38:34] so is there a motion to accept the

[38:37] resignation of Wayne Slaughter and Sandy

[38:39] Slaughter from the citizens advisory

[38:42] committee I'll make the motion thank you

[38:45] is there a second second thank you um

[38:49] all in favor please say I I motion carries for with one absent and

[38:57] the next one for consideration appoint

[38:59] Wendy Hagen to the Parks and Recreation

[39:01] committee with a term of November 4th

[39:04] 2024 to November 4th

[39:07] 2026 is

[39:09] there a motion move thank you is there a

[39:13] second second thank you all in favor

[39:16] please say I I motion carries with um three eyes one

[39:23] abstain and one absent

[39:29] all right moving

[39:31] on to the treasurers

[39:38] report do you

[39:40] um want to do a brief overie I can um so

[39:44] the cash activity report as of October

[39:46] 25th

[39:48] 2024 um you'll see the cash balance on

[39:51] the first was 8 mil about 8.6 million we

[39:54] had deposits uh a little over 00,000 and

[39:58] withdrawals um of roughly

[40:01] 800,000 uh the operating balance forward

[40:04] was 8.5 million uh you'll see the top 10

[40:09] checks that were issued in the month of

[40:12] October uh and then you'll have the fund

[40:15] breakdown for um as of 1025 of 24

[40:21] general fund with roughly two million

[40:24] capital projects roughly 600,000

[40:27] storm water management um and that's

[40:29] because we have not received any fees

[40:31] yet because the bills are still coming

[40:33] in is a netive

[40:34] 4,000 uh the water is at a negative

[40:37] 88,000 arpa has roughly 2.5 million and

[40:42] Sewer has roughly 3.3

[40:46] million okay any

[40:50] questions okay hearing none we are

[40:52] moving on thank you Miss

[40:55] Willets um

[40:59] I believe we've already hit the Planning

[41:01] Commission report with your comments so

[41:04] we can move on from

[41:07] that and uh moving on to agenda item

[41:10] number one Community Development block

[41:13] grant public hearing to provide

[41:14] information on the progress on the depal

[41:17] street waterline

[41:18] replacement project

[41:21] so

[41:24] um we need a motion to

[41:29] go into the hearing to go into the

[41:31] hearing I move is there a second second

[41:34] it thank you um any further discussion

[41:39] all in favor please say I I motion carries 4 to one

[41:48] absent okay so we have

[41:51] [Music]

[41:56] um uh a public hearing to discuss the

[41:58] town of

[41:59] Emmitsburg State fiscal year 2024

[42:02] Community Development block grant

[42:04] project and it is starting as of right

[42:07] now

[42:09] um I always start with has the hearing

[42:12] and properly

[42:14] advertised yes thank

[42:17] you um is there anyone who intends to

[42:22] provide testimony during this public

[42:25] hearing if if so

[42:28] are I mean would they normally sign up

[42:30] on public comment for that is there

[42:32] anybody here for public comment

[42:33] regarding the

[42:35] hearing okay was that a yes no okay all

[42:41] right so we don't have to have anybody

[42:43] do the

[42:44] oath all right so we're going to take it

[42:47] over to the staff to do a brief uh

[42:50] presentation all right thank

[42:53] you um and the map is on the screen of

[42:57] project location on depal street so the

[43:00] um this public hearing was advertised in

[43:03] English and Spanish as required by the

[43:05] Grant in the Frederick News Post on

[43:07] October 21st the hearing was also

[43:09] advertised on the town website channel

[43:12] 99 and the November email newsletter it

[43:15] was posted at the front window of the

[43:17] town office and it was posted on

[43:19] Facebook in in English and Spanish on

[43:21] October 18th um the Community

[43:23] Development block grant recipients are

[43:25] required to conduct two public hearings

[43:28] one before the application is submitted

[43:30] which be held on June 5th 2023 and one

[43:33] during the imple implementation of the

[43:35] grant which we are holding tonight we

[43:37] are required to provide the public

[43:38] information on the progress of Grant

[43:40] fund the grant funded project and also

[43:43] give the public an opportunity to

[43:44] provide

[43:45] comment the town was awarded a

[43:48] $552,500 $500 Community Development

[43:51] block grant to fund a portion of the

[43:53] depal street water line replacement

[43:55] project the total project cost is

[43:59] 1,243

[44:01] 1088 funding for the project is being

[44:04] provided by the Community Development

[44:05] block grant from the state a fiscal year

[44:08] 24 capital budget Grant from mde

[44:11] American Rescue plan moneys and then

[44:14] there's a $10,000 in kind Town

[44:16] contribution when the project is

[44:18] completed approximately

[44:20] 2,340 ft of 8 in ductile iron waterline

[44:23] will be replaced the town awarded the

[44:26] construction contract to huntsbury

[44:28] Brothers Inc on April 1st 2024 notice to

[44:32] proceed was issued July 22nd and

[44:33] construction began in on August 16th to

[44:37] date the contractor has completed the

[44:39] water wi replacement between North

[44:41] seedan Avenue to St Joseph's Lane on

[44:43] depal Street the contractor is currently

[44:46] working on the St Joseph's Lane to

[44:47] Federal Avenue portion

[44:50] $271,400 has been paid to the

[44:54] contractor to date no issues have

[44:56] occurred heard one complaint has been

[44:58] received and that was about parking for

[45:01] the project the project is within budget

[45:04] and the project is on schedule and

[45:05] expected to be completed by April 15

[45:08] 2025 any complaints and grievances

[45:11] related to this project may be submitted

[45:13] at any time to myself I can be contacted

[45:16] by phone at

[45:18] 24741 2137 or by email at

[45:23] MW Emmitsburg md.gov or you can also

[45:27] contact me by visiting the town office

[45:29] located here at 300a South ceden

[45:33] Avenue and that is the end of my

[45:37] presentation thank

[45:39] you okay um are there any questions for

[45:43] the staff from board members

[45:44] commissioner Hagen yeah I get had some

[45:47] questions from the residents when it the

[45:48] construction gets to the end of depal

[45:50] Street there were saying how are they

[45:52] going to get out and parking down there

[45:54] is there a plan for that or we don't

[45:56] know yet

[45:59] they've typically kept at least one lane

[46:01] open for for traffic um and if I recall

[46:04] correctly um there should be parking

[46:06] allowed on one side of the road uh but

[46:09] we certainly we have a progress meeting

[46:11] coming up in two weeks we can certainly

[46:15] ask that question and get more

[46:19] information okay commissioner Sweeny um

[46:22] they'll they'll be working through the

[46:25] winter no they're they're plan is to

[46:27] stop temporarily because of the

[46:29] temporary water line and concerns of

[46:31] freezing I know that when we we weren't

[46:33] allowed to have a p November 1st so I

[46:35] didn't because of

[46:39] freezing that's all I need

[46:41] okay you're good okay um I already asked

[46:46] but it seems like are there there's no

[46:49] public comment regarding this

[46:52] hearing all

[46:55] right if that that's the case if no one

[46:57] else has anything more to present public

[47:00] comment is now

[47:02] closed and that we can deliberate

[47:07] but are we good I'm

[47:10] good all right so

[47:16] then we need a motion to end the public

[47:20] do I mean yeah we'll just need a motion

[47:22] to end the public hearing I'll make a

[47:24] motion to end the public hearing thank

[47:25] you commissioner Hagen is there a second thank you commissioner Hoover all

[47:31] in favor please say I I I motion carries

[47:36] 4 to one

[47:39] absent thank

[47:41] you and moving on

[47:48] to uh so we do have number two that said

[47:51] consideration approval of bid for the

[47:53] town of imburg sewer line camera project

[47:55] which has been postponed just want to um

[47:59] make that announcement so we're moving

[48:00] on to presentation of the town of emur

[48:03] comprehensive

[48:18] plan

[48:20] start so this is the presentation on the

[48:23] current version of the 2025

[48:25] comprehensive plan which is a document

[48:27] to guide the community's um future

[48:31] development um so to give you some

[48:33] background um jurisdictions are required

[48:37] to adopt comprehensive plans under the

[48:39] Maryland land use article in the

[48:42] Maryland code of

[48:43] regulations in 2013 um if you could go

[48:47] to the next slide um the Maryland

[48:49] general assembly passed a bill to

[48:51] require a 10-year review cycle so

[48:54] basically every 10 years a town has to

[48:57] um assess what needs to be updated and

[49:00] adopt an updated plan It's usually the

[49:02] Planning Commission who's in charge of

[49:04] assessing what needs to be

[49:06] updated um and then

[49:09] it's um a resolution is um adopted by

[49:12] the Board of Commissioners but we can

[49:14] get into that later um so the

[49:16] requirement is to be six years but now

[49:18] it's 10 years um and the last

[49:21] comprehensive plan was adopted in

[49:23] November of 2015 so we're nearing the

[49:26] 10-e mark Mark since it's almost

[49:28] 2025 um so the purpose of this update is

[49:31] to ensure that plans align with current

[49:33] legislations and policies and Community

[49:37] needs obviously the population and

[49:39] demographics have um evolved since 2015

[49:43] so the updated plan will allow the town

[49:45] to respond to new housing infrastructure

[49:47] and community service

[49:49] needs um the economy has changed over

[49:52] the past decade as well environmental

[49:54] conditions have changed and so on so

[49:57] that's why the plan needs to be

[50:00] updated so I'll I'll jump right into the

[50:04] current draft uh which includes the oh

[50:07] next slide um updated information about

[50:10] the town so this involves various

[50:13] aspects of population housing economy

[50:16] environment natural resources land use

[50:19] and um transportation and Community

[50:22] facilities and it integrates the three

[50:25] pillars of syst stainability and we've

[50:28] been able to gather a lot of public

[50:30] input through workshops and

[50:32] surveys it incorporate smart growth

[50:36] elements to create vibrant communities

[50:38] preserve natural resources and reduce

[50:41] fra um the plan also introduces a new

[50:45] growth boundary and growth opportunity

[50:47] areas which I'll explain a bit

[50:50] later so um I know the next slide has um

[50:55] a list of different es between the old

[50:57] and the new plans but I can quickly

[51:00] summarize

[51:01] um all each one of them so the first

[51:05] main difference is that the older plan

[51:08] while it's

[51:10] um emphasizes structured land use

[51:13] Transportation environmental resource

[51:15] preservation but um Community engagement

[51:18] is a little less extensive the new plan

[51:21] intends to put more emphasis on

[51:23] community-driven goals public input has

[51:26] been uh gathered through multiple

[51:28] workshops and surveys that reflect the

[51:31] town's focus on economic development

[51:33] environmental sustainability and

[51:36] inclusivity which also informed the

[51:38] goals in each

[51:40] section so the older plan had goals to

[51:43] support local businesses and tourism and

[51:46] the new plan um we expand on that and

[51:50] add detailed strategies for addressing

[51:52] economic

[51:53] challenges from the community feedback

[51:56] we learned about um high demand for

[51:58] child care diverse retail Etc but there

[52:02] was also interest in research and

[52:04] development Labs distribution centers

[52:06] and Partnerships to create stable jobs

[52:08] and address economic

[52:11] issues the previous um plan was pretty

[52:14] focused

[52:15] on accommodating go growth through

[52:18] single family development single family

[52:21] uh housing developments but the new plan

[52:24] Builds on this and expands the housing

[52:27] needs by addressing affordable housing

[52:29] shortage and introduces mix use medium

[52:34] density housing

[52:35] options there's emphasis on housing

[52:38] needs of the asset limited income

[52:41] constrainted employed are also known as

[52:44] Alice households mainly since it

[52:47] represents a significant portion of the

[52:49] town's

[52:50] population the new plan also Builds on

[52:53] the older plan's goals of implementing

[52:55] sustainable practices at a community

[52:57] level involving stream and Wetland

[53:00] protection and flood pain

[53:02] management uh another big change is the

[53:04] growth boundary and the growth

[53:06] opportunity area grow opportunity area

[53:08] to control sprawl or manage um expansion

[53:12] in a balanced way so that the small town

[53:14] character is

[53:16] preserved there's support for mixed use

[53:18] zones and compact development and a

[53:20] detailed growth boundary to plan for

[53:23] annexation

[53:25] needs um the new plan also talks about

[53:27] infrastructure improvements based on

[53:30] community input including better parking

[53:32] and accessibility that can support the

[53:35] town's needs IT addresses um amenities

[53:39] like Child Care recreational facilities

[53:41] and programs for businesses and families

[53:44] and it talks about Partnerships with um

[53:47] various organizations including Mount St

[53:49] Marys for Community Resources and

[53:51] workplace

[53:54] development um so

[53:57] uh excuse me I'll go over each section

[54:01] that we have uh that we provided you um

[54:05] copies of uh tonight um so we named the

[54:09] document Envision Envision urg to

[54:13] encapsulate the idea of looking ahead to

[54:16] imagine a better mburg one that's

[54:18] prosperous connected sustainable and the

[54:21] name represents a strategic and

[54:24] inclusive approach to planning that refs

[54:26] the shared goals and values of residents

[54:29] aiming to guide the town's development

[54:31] in a way that balances economic

[54:33] Prosperity environmental stewardship and

[54:35] social

[54:37] well-being so um the first

[54:40] section um is the introductory chapter

[54:42] which will be finalized after completing

[54:45] all the other sections and um this

[54:48] approach will help write a complete

[54:50] overview and an accurate summary of the

[54:53] entire plan and to make sure that it

[54:56] sets the stage for um content of the

[54:59] plan uh that's why we're waiting until

[55:01] all the other uh chapters are

[55:05] completed and the this chapter will

[55:08] include the town's background and

[55:10] outline the organization of the

[55:12] plan um it'll also include the state's

[55:15] 12 Visions which was created by

[55:17] Maryland's planning Vision law planning

[55:19] Visions law in 2009 and uh how the plan

[55:23] relates to each

[55:24] Vision so that'll be the uh first

[55:27] chapter um the second chapter which you

[55:30] should have gotten a copy of is the

[55:32] community input and

[55:34] vision which discusses all public input

[55:37] through workshops and surveys as you may

[55:40] already know um there were three

[55:43] workshops and four surveys that were

[55:44] made accessible to the public three of

[55:48] those surveys focused on the three

[55:50] pillars of

[55:52] sustainability and the plan focuses on

[55:55] the three pillar of

[55:57] sustainability uh it provides a holistic

[55:59] framework for developing communities in

[56:02] a in a way that ensures long-term

[56:04] well-being and resilience so there's

[56:07] environmental sustainability um and then

[56:11] um Economic Development and Community

[56:16] Development um there are sections for

[56:18] each pillar and they they're all um they

[56:22] all discuss a participants views and

[56:25] preferences B based on personal

[56:28] experience um so for example under

[56:32] economic growth um or Economic

[56:34] Development there's job growth support

[56:36] for local businesses infrastructure

[56:38] improvements

[56:40] Etc and then under Community Development

[56:42] there's discussion regarding Community

[56:44] engagement and improving amenities also

[56:48] affordable housing and poverty

[56:51] alleviation um there's a section of um

[56:54] section for environmental sustainability

[56:56] that addresses preservation climate

[56:58] change and awareness and community-led

[57:01] initiatives so all these are put

[57:03] together to form the vision statements

[57:05] for each of the three pillars and these

[57:08] vision statements are um these broad

[57:11] forward-looking

[57:13] statements um to guide goals and

[57:16] strategies that are stated in subsequent

[57:21] chapters um then we have the population

[57:23] and housing uh chapter which focuses on

[57:27] the demographics and Trends and housing

[57:29] composition in

[57:30] Emmitsburg there's a section on

[57:33] population characteristics age gender

[57:36] distribution housing occupancy and it

[57:39] also focuses on LS households as a major

[57:42] demographic and their need for

[57:44] affordable housing close to job

[57:47] opportunities and like um there's a

[57:50] section with goals objectives and

[57:52] strategies and all the chapters um from

[57:57] will have except for the first two will

[57:59] have these goals objectives and

[58:00] strategies

[58:02] section um the goals involve in this

[58:05] chapter involves accommodating the

[58:08] population's needs by promoting diverse

[58:10] housing options that support um an um

[58:15] intergenerational Community catering to

[58:17] residents of all ages groups and income

[58:19] levels another goal is to develop a land

[58:22] use program to promote infill

[58:24] development and the third goal goal is

[58:26] to implement programs and policies to

[58:29] eliminate vacant and blighted buildings

[58:31] that can be transferred in transformed

[58:33] into safe livable housing

[58:36] units um in the um packet you will also

[58:41] see that the goals have objectives and

[58:43] strategies that correspond to each goal

[58:47] so for example under the first goal as I

[58:49] mentioned accommodating the population's

[58:51] needs by offering the other housing

[58:53] options that support the inter

[58:55] generation

[58:56] Community catering to residents of all

[58:59] ages and groups income levels the

[59:01] objective here is to increase the

[59:04] diversity of housing types by ensuring

[59:07] that um at least a certain percentage of

[59:09] new residential developments include mix

[59:12] of housing options such as single family

[59:14] homes duplexes um town homes and

[59:17] apartments and a strategy for that is to

[59:20] revise um zoning regulations to allow

[59:23] for greater housing diversity including

[59:26] higher density options and so that's

[59:30] um uh the chapter on uh population and

[59:34] housing and um there's a few more

[59:37] chapters that I'll go over um the next

[59:40] one we have economy and fiscal Health

[59:43] that talks about um the business comp

[59:45] composition and employment trends and

[59:47] fiscal challenges in town and uh IT

[59:50] addresses the fact that there's limited

[59:52] business base and that um most residents

[59:56] commute to work which often leads to um

[59:59] reduced local spending it also

[1:00:02] highlights areas of opportunities such

[1:00:04] as the fact that it's near a tourist

[1:00:06] attractions that the town can capitalize

[1:00:09] on and promote Economic

[1:00:11] Development um it highlights the

[1:00:13] financial status of the population

[1:00:15] through the median income uh poverty

[1:00:18] rate and um employment rate as well as

[1:00:21] the presence of um Al families as

[1:00:24] households it goes over the town's

[1:00:27] overall fiscal Health showing um the

[1:00:30] need for broadening the tax base based

[1:00:32] on R residential

[1:00:35] sectors and the chapter has suggested

[1:00:37] goals and to strengthen the town's local

[1:00:40] economy and business

[1:00:42] environment um I'll mention that one

[1:00:45] that talks about uh reducing economic

[1:00:47] leakage or reduced spending and

[1:00:50] encourage residents and visitors to

[1:00:52] spend locally which could be

[1:00:54] accomplished by implementing a Main

[1:00:56] Street Improvement program to revitalize

[1:00:59] the area to attract businesses and

[1:01:02] tourists the goal section also mentions

[1:01:04] partnering with Mount St Mary's

[1:01:07] University to offer vocational and

[1:01:09] professional development programs that

[1:01:12] meet the needs of key sectors um

[1:01:15] relevant to the town's needs and um one

[1:01:18] of those goals also calls for addressing

[1:01:21] the uh income inequality and support the

[1:01:24] needs of Alice um households through

[1:01:27] increasing access to Affordable and

[1:01:30] middle income housing units which can be

[1:01:33] achieved by a collaborating with

[1:01:35] developers who are looking to start

[1:01:37] residential development in

[1:01:40] town um next we have the environment and

[1:01:43] natural resources chapter which focuses

[1:01:46] on waterways vegetative buffers uh

[1:01:50] unique Landscapes talks about the

[1:01:52] geography and how it influences the

[1:01:54] town's development

[1:01:56] and touches upon groundwater resources

[1:01:59] uh Wetlands flood planes

[1:02:01] Etc uh it also mentions climate change

[1:02:04] and flood plane management and the

[1:02:05] town's efforts to um control storm

[1:02:09] water and talks about green

[1:02:11] infrastructure like rain Gardens and

[1:02:13] permeable

[1:02:14] Pavements um and then the goals include working to ensure and long-term

[1:02:21] ecological integrity and minimizing the

[1:02:23] environmental impact of development on

[1:02:27] systems and I have a couple more slides

[1:02:31] uh the next um chapter we have is the

[1:02:34] land use and Community design which

[1:02:36] talks about zoning patterns and land use

[1:02:38] patterns in town and you know it's like

[1:02:41] different zones residential commercial

[1:02:44] industrial institutional and breaks down

[1:02:46] how much of the town's area is

[1:02:48] designated for each each Zone um the

[1:02:51] most important part of this chapter is

[1:02:54] the growth boundary boundary area area

[1:02:57] and the growth opportunity area so the

[1:03:00] last growth boundary area was adopted in

[1:03:04] 2021 and um if you go to the next slide

[1:03:07] there's a map

[1:03:09] um

[1:03:10] the what you see here the the red line

[1:03:14] is the newly proposed growth boundary

[1:03:17] which includes properties located

[1:03:19] northwest of the town's borders um along

[1:03:22] Track Road and uh Route 14

[1:03:28] um so these are suggested to be included

[1:03:30] to address fragmented Water and Sewer

[1:03:32] Service issues some of these properties

[1:03:35] are already connected to Town's

[1:03:37] utilities while others are not since the

[1:03:40] town's code

[1:03:42] um prohibits establishing utility

[1:03:44] connections outside of its jurisdiction

[1:03:47] service cannot be extended unless these

[1:03:50] areas are annexed so to make um future

[1:03:53] annexation possible these properties

[1:03:55] must be included into the growth Town's

[1:03:58] growth boundary and provide that would

[1:04:00] provide them um opportunities for water

[1:04:03] and sewer

[1:04:05] connections and about the growth

[1:04:07] opportunity area which is in

[1:04:09] Gray um it's it's um a

[1:04:14] flexible way to um allow growth you know

[1:04:18] because growth isn't always um confined

[1:04:21] into like one town limit it happens

[1:04:23] outset of town limits as well but if

[1:04:26] there's unplanned growth that takes

[1:04:28] place and it can have um benefits for

[1:04:31] the town it could be like economic or

[1:04:34] residential development or any other

[1:04:35] infrastructure projects but has benefits

[1:04:38] for the town if they're Incorporated um

[1:04:41] then this is one way um the town can

[1:04:47] uh allow annexation of those areas

[1:04:51] without having to change the

[1:04:52] comprehensive plan over and over again

[1:04:55] um so and then the growth opportunities

[1:04:59] areas they're usually um they usually

[1:05:03] have constraints like physical

[1:05:05] constraints in topography or the C's um

[1:05:08] easements like agricultural

[1:05:10] easements so it like naturally um helps

[1:05:16] uh put like a

[1:05:19] boundary and then the the gray that you

[1:05:22] see it extends from like quarter of a

[1:05:26] mile to a third of a mile that's how

[1:05:29] further out it is from the growth

[1:05:32] boundary so

[1:05:35] um that's that's part of the land use

[1:05:38] chapter and

[1:05:40] um the remaining sections we have are um

[1:05:45] the transportation and Community

[1:05:47] facilities those are um in progress um

[1:05:51] and we're also working on the municipal

[1:05:54] growth um which will analyze of fature

[1:05:59] growth and alignment with long range

[1:06:01] vision and it will be based on

[1:06:03] population projections and the needs of

[1:06:05] needs for land and

[1:06:07] infrastructure and then there will be an

[1:06:09] Implement implementation section that

[1:06:12] will discuss the metrics to measure the

[1:06:14] progress towards the goals that are

[1:06:16] mentioned throughout this entire

[1:06:19] document um if you have any questions on

[1:06:22] the content um Commissioners any questions

[1:06:31] comments not not on the actual content

[1:06:34] but schedule-wise

[1:06:37] for I think you want to have another

[1:06:40] public meeting and then somewhere wrap

[1:06:42] up in the next three four five months or

[1:06:44] so that is right yeah um we're working

[1:06:47] on putting together a concrete um

[1:06:50] schedule I know the Planning Commission

[1:06:52] wanted to um have have go out to public

[1:06:56] comment by March so that is something we

[1:06:59] would like to

[1:07:04] do commissioner Hagen I just want to say

[1:07:06] for nil after working on this for the

[1:07:09] last year it's you've done an impressive

[1:07:11] job of working with the community and

[1:07:13] reaching out and with you know members

[1:07:16] to try to answer questions and Shepherd

[1:07:19] it all through so you've done a great

[1:07:21] job thank

[1:07:23] you I've only heard good things things

[1:07:25] too everybody who went to those

[1:07:27] workshops said um that you did a

[1:07:30] wonderful job so thank you for the hard

[1:07:32] work thank you um commissioner swey did

[1:07:34] you have any no no I don't see any

[1:07:37] problems she has done wonderful

[1:07:40] job thank you um I only know that um I

[1:07:45] have a copy of the orig the 2015 I don't

[1:07:48] know if anybody else

[1:07:49] does uh we can make sure that everyone

[1:07:53] else you do okay I don't did I get oh I

[1:07:56] have one I don't think I got did I get

[1:07:58] no okay I did not get one oh um yeah the

[1:08:02] Planning Commission members they all

[1:08:04] received one so that's proba why okay we

[1:08:07] can get you one we can talk later I

[1:08:10] don't want you to have to make another

[1:08:11] one if one doesn't exist so I might just

[1:08:14] borrow one if if need be um but please

[1:08:17] don't print anymore if it they're going

[1:08:19] to be outdated soon yeah J Bar mine any

[1:08:22] time want oh thank

[1:08:24] you um

[1:08:27] in the workshop are we looking as a town

[1:08:30] to become a Main Street

[1:08:32] Maryland um town to make it official

[1:08:37] movie sustainable commity is that what

[1:08:38] it is oh you know like um th Mountain

[1:08:41] has the Main Street program is that

[1:08:42] something we're are we have a goal to

[1:08:45] aim towards as well right so from the

[1:08:49] public workshops we gathered that people

[1:08:51] do want to attain that um designation

[1:08:55] and for economic development that would

[1:08:58] be one way to one step towards that sure

[1:09:02] yeah sure that yeah because um I like

[1:09:06] how there's definitely thoughts about

[1:09:08] you know targeting those vacant

[1:09:10] buildings or ones that have been left

[1:09:12] and um they're dilapidated so I know

[1:09:16] that's Thurmont received a lot of money

[1:09:19] towards those towards their vacant

[1:09:22] buildings to incentivize businesses to

[1:09:23] come so that would align nicely I think

[1:09:27] with targeting some of those buildings

[1:09:29] that could be turned into

[1:09:31] businesses um and then I saw here

[1:09:34] support student housing by incentivizing

[1:09:37] Property Owners to create safe livable

[1:09:39] residential units for Mount St Mary's is

[1:09:43] that targeting The Village zone or is

[1:09:47] that because I would imagine the HOAs

[1:09:50] would have jurisdiction over that within

[1:09:53] subdivisions so I was confused by that

[1:09:57] okay um that can be clarified um so once

[1:10:02] these are done they will be um posted so

[1:10:06] that people can comment on it so if it

[1:10:08] doesn't it should apply to like the

[1:10:10] village zone or outside of Village Zone

[1:10:12] that's

[1:10:13] something you know you as a board or the

[1:10:15] public they can all decide and I see

[1:10:18] just incorporate that yeah I

[1:10:21] see so all right so it's more this is

[1:10:25] just we're still in those like you're

[1:10:28] okay commissioner Hoover you're giving

[1:10:29] me this zoning would dictate that not

[1:10:32] necessary Village zone or or HOAs but

[1:10:35] zoning itself is multi is a multi-use or

[1:10:38] high density use okay all right thank

[1:10:41] you that's all I have any other

[1:10:45] questions this doesn't require a vote in

[1:10:48] any way does it this was just a

[1:10:50] presentation okay all right thank you

[1:10:52] very much I know that um your slideshow

[1:10:55] was a lot of work and you did a good job

[1:10:58] highlighting the differences in the

[1:10:59] updates and I appreciate it thank you

[1:11:02] thank

[1:11:03] you all

[1:11:06] right moving on to number four discuss

[1:11:10] discussion related to FY 25 water

[1:11:17] rates we do have some information in our

[1:11:20] packets that was requested water um sip

[1:11:24] breakdown the breakdown water

[1:11:27] Revenue that we have as far as the

[1:11:29] project

[1:11:30] schedule

[1:11:33] um I don't uh Commissioners don't know

[1:11:36] how you want to tackle this did you want

[1:11:39] us to go through the

[1:11:40] attached information or are we ready to

[1:11:44] jump right into

[1:11:51] discussion do notice on on page 44 on

[1:11:55] the water fund the

[1:11:57] CIP that in page 45 the the red didn't

[1:12:01] show up when it got copied so just to

[1:12:05] note on FY

[1:12:07] 26 where it says 159

[1:12:10] 790 and then all the way out to fy3

[1:12:13] that's all in the red that should have

[1:12:15] showed up

[1:12:16] red and then the same thing for the

[1:12:19] total revenue from FY 26 to

[1:12:23] 7779 out to year 30 that's all uh red as

[1:12:29] well wait where's the second one I'm

[1:12:31] sorry under total R toal Revenue gotcha

[1:12:34] thank you and

[1:12:39] then then under so page 44 page 44 if

[1:12:44] top top row cash reserves estimated

[1:12:47] where you see FY

[1:12:49] 26 159 790 yep that's actually in the

[1:12:53] red okay and then it stays in the red

[1:12:57] through 27 28 29 and

[1:13:00] 30 and then if you drop down to the last

[1:13:03] row in that section under total

[1:13:08] revenue it starts in the red at the

[1:13:13] 7779 and carries

[1:13:20] out and

[1:13:21] [Music]

[1:13:23] then if you drop down to Total cash

[1:13:27] available on the bottom of page

[1:13:32] 44 starting at

[1:13:35] 16905 and out is red as

[1:13:42] well

[1:13:47] 169 all the way down at the bottom in

[1:13:49] the book yes where it says total cash

[1:13:51] available on page 44 oh okay okay and

[1:13:56] then on page

[1:13:59] 45 I add

[1:14:03] here system

[1:14:08] upgrades in the end of FY

[1:14:11] 25 where it shows 159

[1:14:15] 790 red and that all the way out then

[1:14:18] should be red where it says Surplus deficit

[1:14:26] got it that's it that's I just want to

[1:14:28] point that out since it didn't show up

[1:14:29] in your

[1:14:31] packet okay thank

[1:14:39] you back

[1:14:43] on okay where would we like to be in the

[1:14:46] discussion commissioner Hoover sure so Kathy thanks for that clarification

[1:14:51] so I'm assuming then that they're in the

[1:14:53] red based on

[1:14:57] page 46 is

[1:15:00] projects being performed right so if you

[1:15:04] look let me just jump up to the top

[1:15:08] here so you start in the

[1:15:11] red at the top of page 44 the water fund

[1:15:15] FY 26 at the negative

[1:15:18] 9790 yes and that

[1:15:21] is because of all your um system

[1:15:26] projects it would be in FY 25 you'd have

[1:15:30] the clarifier completion the completion

[1:15:32] date for the clarifier is October of

[1:15:36] 25

[1:15:38] um the North seatan Avenue waterline

[1:15:41] project now that one's estimated because

[1:15:43] I don't know when it's actually going to

[1:15:46] start um and then the depal street 1

[1:15:50] that with that project being complete in

[1:15:53] April of 255 all the money should be

[1:15:55] spent on the depal street waterline by

[1:15:58] the close of

[1:16:00] fy2 um some of these other projects um

[1:16:05] the Rainbow Lake pump pouch Bridge

[1:16:07] placement that actually should be done

[1:16:09] by the end of the

[1:16:10] year um the Rainbow Lake Dam repairs or

[1:16:14] the Rainbow Lake repairs we don't know

[1:16:16] the cost associated with that yet until

[1:16:18] we receive the final report in a couple

[1:16:20] of weeks the initial report on the

[1:16:23] leadline service replacement is we are

[1:16:26] probably going to have to sample so we

[1:16:29] had approximately

[1:16:31] 500

[1:16:32] um

[1:16:34] non-responses and of those 500 we'll

[1:16:37] probably have to sample about a 100 and

[1:16:40] the estimated cost for each to sample is

[1:16:43] about

[1:16:44] $700 each so we're estimating about

[1:16:49] $70,000 to perform what need what mde

[1:16:53] requires to show what the Le what the

[1:16:55] lines are when you say sample do you

[1:16:58] mean going because they didn't respond

[1:17:01] via the survey so so the the

[1:17:04] verification is is

[1:17:06] twofold so a lot of people responded by

[1:17:09] the survey but didn't do the

[1:17:11] photograph um some of them we were able

[1:17:13] to verify based off the survey and plans

[1:17:16] and but there are some that no

[1:17:17] absolutely no response given and there's

[1:17:20] no second form of um verification so

[1:17:24] there's two options to verify you can

[1:17:27] excavate which means digging up yards

[1:17:30] digging up sidewalks digging up roads

[1:17:32] and then you have to restore that cost

[1:17:35] is estimated to be more than

[1:17:38] $700 um staff went and watched a demo

[1:17:43] where they can go in with a camera and

[1:17:45] camera will it can camera the line and

[1:17:47] you can basically kill two birds with

[1:17:49] Sunstone you can see the service line

[1:17:52] and our line so if you if you remember

[1:17:56] the your sewer line the town has a

[1:17:58] portion up the initial portion and then

[1:18:01] you have your service line anyway so

[1:18:03] it's estimated about $700 each and if we

[1:18:06] have to sample

[1:18:08] 100 you're at $70,000 on that and then

[1:18:13] there are requirements to replace so we

[1:18:16] know of two lead lines so far and

[1:18:19] approximately 13 is it non-galvanized or

[1:18:23] gavanized I can't remember

[1:18:25] galvaniz so a galvaniz has to be

[1:18:28] replaced as well and I believe as of

[1:18:30] right now there's 13 so that's at least

[1:18:32] 15 that are going to have to be replaced

[1:18:35] and we'll start looking for funding on

[1:18:37] that we have a meeting coming up anyway

[1:18:41] that's how you get to the negative

[1:18:42] commissioner Hoover is is taking all the

[1:18:44] revenue that we've received for the

[1:18:46] projects and then backing out the the

[1:18:49] cost of the projects the timing could be

[1:18:52] off a little bit with like with the

[1:18:53] North seatan uh waterline uh we have

[1:18:57] incurred some expense on the engineering

[1:18:59] side um nothing on the construction side

[1:19:03] yet that's hoping to go out to bid

[1:19:04] within the next C

[1:19:08] months um we are looking for funding

[1:19:11] right now for the West Main Street water

[1:19:14] line and the Waynesboro Pike

[1:19:16] waterline um that just went out to bid

[1:19:19] for engineering

[1:19:21] cost because there are we have fixed an

[1:19:24] enormous amount of leaks on West Main

[1:19:26] and

[1:19:28] Waynesboro the mayor would like us to

[1:19:30] look at a bond Initiative for that

[1:19:32] project through the state of

[1:19:35] Maryland for that

[1:19:40] one um going back to the lead line the

[1:19:43] requirement to replace that falls on the

[1:19:46] town uh we're still working through that

[1:19:48] anything that's

[1:19:49] Townline would be our

[1:19:52] responsibility um

[1:19:54] reached out to our consultant to give me

[1:19:57] if they were aware of any funding um

[1:20:01] options you know the cost to fix your

[1:20:04] line depending on how long your line is going to be a huge burden on our

[1:20:09] residents and hopefully the town can

[1:20:10] secure some funding to assist with that

[1:20:14] um but we're right in the beginning

[1:20:15] stages right now you do have until 20 30

[1:20:20] you have till 2030 to make all the the

[1:20:22] ne necessary replacements

[1:20:25] can I ask the question um the 500 that

[1:20:29] has not received were they all all over

[1:20:32] the town or just in the old part of the

[1:20:33] town all

[1:20:34] over all over because um when when you

[1:20:37] do uh North seatting you'll be able to

[1:20:39] see when they replace the line they'll

[1:20:42] be able to see if it's ganized or not

[1:20:44] correct yes and the the Paul Street you

[1:20:46] should be able to see now when they redo

[1:20:48] theirs right so they are they going to

[1:20:50] replace them as they go or to Copper so

[1:20:55] they're just replacing the main on the

[1:20:58] right now right but you'll know you can

[1:21:01] you'll mark down which ones are I

[1:21:03] believe they're doing that I believe

[1:21:06] they were looking at the service lines

[1:21:07] as they are going through right it's my

[1:21:10] understanding but I can find out for

[1:21:11] sure I know mine on North seatan was

[1:21:13] galvanized I had it replaced with copper

[1:21:15] completely out to the town's right curb

[1:21:18] stop it was galvanized 34 it was no

[1:21:21] bigger my pinky and you couldn't even

[1:21:23] see through so imagine the other old

[1:21:25] houses through

[1:21:27] there

[1:21:31] yeah so on the on page 44 Miss Willets

[1:21:34] where it says um cash reserves

[1:21:40] estimated um does this take into account

[1:21:43] our current water rate increase the way

[1:21:46] it stands now the cash reserves

[1:21:51] yes

[1:21:52] so even if we keep it 36% for 5 years

[1:21:57] potentially we're still in the

[1:21:59] red actually I need to ask that question

[1:22:02] because I'm not let me go back through

[1:22:05] my budget and make sure that that's

[1:22:07] correct because that I mean that's a

[1:22:09] important piece of information but

[1:22:12] also this also assumes we don't get

[1:22:15] funding correct on these projects like

[1:22:18] no this does include your funding for

[1:22:21] the

[1:22:22] clarifier the North seat and Avenue line

[1:22:27] project it does include any funding

[1:22:29] we've already received right but not

[1:22:30] future funding right right it does not

[1:22:32] include any funding for the West Main

[1:22:36] Street water line or the line down the

[1:22:37] mountain any future projects that we

[1:22:39] haven't submitted for no it does not

[1:22:42] right it only does I believe North

[1:22:44] seatan to Paul Street and our arpa

[1:22:52] projects yeah and you can see our tap

[1:22:55] fees on that second line how how

[1:22:58] important our tap fees play into

[1:23:02] our our reserves or cash

[1:23:04] reserves that's

[1:23:09] correct and that assumes that I mean the

[1:23:12] 41,000 each year those are just

[1:23:14] estimates based on what's coming down

[1:23:17] the pipe through potential

[1:23:18] annexation um yes so what we do is we we work with Theo on any development

[1:23:23] project she might have the pipeline and

[1:23:25] try to estimate what we will get in that

[1:23:27] fiscal year um so this fiscal year we

[1:23:30] estimated

[1:23:32] from um two development projects that we

[1:23:35] had that we knew of and that would have

[1:23:37] been Christ Community Church and

[1:23:39] possibly The

[1:23:46] Distillery so if tap

[1:23:52] fees I feel like that should be higher

[1:23:55] CU I don't our tap I mean how many

[1:23:58] households would that then incorporate

[1:24:01] into that estimate so 82,000 is is 10

[1:24:05] Taps right 10s we're assuming maybe five

[1:24:09] Taps between FY 27

[1:24:12] fy3 yeah so per year per year so each

[1:24:16] year we estimated that many just because

[1:24:20] we don't know right that we have nothing

[1:24:22] concrete outside of safe no right The

[1:24:25] Distillery

[1:24:27] and Christ Community Church right now

[1:24:31] right but if there is an annexation or

[1:24:36] the

[1:24:37] um fry farm development that's being

[1:24:40] looked at I saw it within the meetings

[1:24:43] that you're having um is that's for the

[1:24:46] part that's already annexed in or is

[1:24:48] that in addition to it's both both both

[1:24:51] the annexation or the the part that's

[1:24:53] already in town as well as a part that

[1:24:55] would be annexed you also have the

[1:24:57] potential of EMT Ridge I think that's

[1:24:59] probably your best and only potential

[1:25:02] within FY 35 time frame other than the

[1:25:05] two like you said the church and

[1:25:07] Distillery time you get

[1:25:10] fairly ready to start buying Taps I

[1:25:13] think You' be very close or beyond the

[1:25:15] fy3 okay you might have EMT Ridge I

[1:25:18] think you're definitely well yeah you

[1:25:19] should have if they move forward you

[1:25:22] would have EMT Ridge within that time frame but we just don't know so

[1:25:26] that's why it's not on there sure the

[1:25:28] final Fe at

[1:25:30] um Southgate and the final F Brookfield

[1:25:33] maybe we have 10 in Brookfield are we

[1:25:35] down to two in Southgate do we um I

[1:25:38] thought there was another one that sold

[1:25:40] I just don't know which one but but

[1:25:42] selling is not necessarily buying the T

[1:25:45] correct by the time they get their

[1:25:46] permits and this whatever you could be

[1:25:49] another year or show down the road for

[1:25:50] that correct and that's why I say frarly

[1:25:52] you're probably four or five years

[1:25:54] before they're anywhere close to a grant

[1:25:56] to a um building permit okay you think

[1:25:59] you

[1:26:00] agree so I think you're only one really

[1:26:02] is going to be your endit Ridge as far

[1:26:04] as new development in this in this time

[1:26:06] frame

[1:26:08] okay Wednesday Tuesday here may whatever

[1:26:11] but yeah understood and I think that's

[1:26:14] only 30 or 20 couple whatever in Rage 40

[1:26:20] 48 um the other thing that it doesn't

[1:26:24] under Debt

[1:26:27] Service we don't have The Debt Service

[1:26:30] listed of whatever will be

[1:26:32] incurred for the never mind I take that

[1:26:35] back there are no loans with the Paul

[1:26:37] Street so I take that back we don't know

[1:26:40] what the loans will be for North seatan

[1:26:45] project I guess I keep going back to if

[1:26:49] we're in the red as of FY

[1:26:52] 26 but we don't know if this

[1:26:54] incorporates our current 36% increase so

[1:26:57] your 36% increase affects your your

[1:27:01] water fund your operating fund and then

[1:27:04] any cash Reserve that would be left from

[1:27:09] fiscal from fiscal year end of fiscal

[1:27:12] year into the next one that would be

[1:27:15] added to your cash reserves so the

[1:27:17] initial

[1:27:19] 36% is in

[1:27:21] here for your um FY 24 and

[1:27:28] fy2 fy2 excuse me

[1:27:32] um but then the cash will accumulate if

[1:27:35] you have money left over at the end of

[1:27:37] your fiscal

[1:27:38] year so that's how it affects your cash

[1:27:41] reserves so which we don't really have

[1:27:44] cash reserves right now do we we kind of

[1:27:47] like transfer them all at the end we so

[1:27:51] for your water fund you do have cash

[1:27:52] reserves you have cash reserves in your

[1:27:55] water fund of roughly

[1:27:58] 26

[1:28:00] million and that's however remembering

[1:28:03] 2.5 of that is arpa money right that

[1:28:06] will be spent by the end of calendar

[1:28:09] year 25 right and what's that allocated

[1:28:11] for what project is that allocated so

[1:28:14] the majority of it goes to your water

[1:28:16] clarifier that was pull my chart up

[1:28:20] and computer's jumping on me okay

[1:28:24] hold on so the majority of your arper

[1:28:28] money goes to the

[1:28:30] clarifier um which is roughly uh 2.1

[1:28:34] million uh 412,000 to the depal street

[1:28:39] waterline 300,000 went to revenue

[1:28:42] replacement and FY 24 for water um

[1:28:45] operating

[1:28:46] expenses 160 replace the Rainbow Lake

[1:28:50] bridge 148,000 for the backwash project

[1:28:53] at the water treat plant and 73,000 for

[1:28:57] the Rainbow Lake uh Dam

[1:29:05] engineer I think that's why um I mean

[1:29:08] looking at this even if we keep 36%

[1:29:11] looks like we might as well just get

[1:29:13] absorbed into freder County I mean

[1:29:15] there's no way that the people in

[1:29:17] Emmitsburg are going to be able to foot

[1:29:19] this

[1:29:21] bill

[1:29:22] so and should they be expected to if

[1:29:25] it's an unattainable

[1:29:27] goal so so where I'm going with this is

[1:29:31] there are other things that I think we

[1:29:33] need to be looking at as well like

[1:29:35] historically we've as a town made a lot

[1:29:38] of concessions for businesses that came

[1:29:40] in

[1:29:42] including um maybe lowering tap fees not

[1:29:46] raising impact fees that in in general

[1:29:49] we need to go back and look at that

[1:29:52] um but while I understand and

[1:29:56] appreciate that we want to bring

[1:29:58] businesses and developments here I don't

[1:30:01] think we should be making concessions

[1:30:02] that are then going to hurt our bottom

[1:30:04] line and it's going to put the burden

[1:30:06] back on our

[1:30:07] residents

[1:30:09] um

[1:30:12] so

[1:30:13] um thoughts

[1:30:17] questions I would just agree with you

[1:30:19] it's like that loss we can't push it

[1:30:22] back we already have a lot of residents

[1:30:25] having problems with the increase we

[1:30:26] have now to increase it now push it over

[1:30:29] the

[1:30:30] edge

[1:30:35] right the bottom line the bottom line

[1:30:38] commissioner B is you need growth and

[1:30:40] you need your TAP fees and that's the

[1:30:42] only way it's going to continue to grow

[1:30:45] um you're right you can't raise the

[1:30:47] rates high enough to to do all the

[1:30:52] projects that need to be done for some

[1:30:54] of these infrastructure projects that just have to be done and or you can

[1:31:01] continue to waste money just continuing

[1:31:03] to put Band-Aids on it um and we

[1:31:06] continue to to continue to look for the

[1:31:09] funding for them you know through grants

[1:31:12] hopefully um but the bottom line is

[1:31:14] you're right you need you need growth

[1:31:17] and the tap fees whether you raise them

[1:31:21] or not are very important to your water

[1:31:23] fund

[1:31:24] because the cost I mean and as we all

[1:31:27] know the cost of everything is it's just

[1:31:29] it's skyrocketing right and you know

[1:31:32] looking at the numbers and talking it

[1:31:34] over with with mayor Davis who I think

[1:31:36] is still on the call

[1:31:40] um I honestly think you need you know we

[1:31:43] look we ran some numbers and you know

[1:31:45] honestly think if you keep it at the 36%

[1:31:48] through the rest of this fiscal year and

[1:31:49] then reduce it to something much more

[1:31:51] manageable for people I think you'll in

[1:31:54] a much better position and that will

[1:31:56] give time for hopefully some of these

[1:31:59] developments to at least get the ball

[1:32:02] rolling and come to fruition and that

[1:32:05] will help us plan a lot better um

[1:32:09] there's certain projects on the CIP that can be put on hold like the water

[1:32:13] meter upgrade project it would be

[1:32:15] fantastic for the town and I think it's

[1:32:16] a great project but in the long run it's

[1:32:20] a want it's a want it it will help us

[1:32:23] with water loss and managing leaks and

[1:32:26] people knowing when they have high

[1:32:29] usage but it is a want and it's it's a

[1:32:32] bells and whistles project that is

[1:32:34] probably further down the road um these

[1:32:38] and you've heard mayor Davis say these

[1:32:40] federal and state

[1:32:41] mandates are killing small towns you

[1:32:44] know the ms4 the leadline service

[1:32:46] inventory you

[1:32:48] know the dam inspection you know they're

[1:32:51] all unexpected costs that you can't

[1:32:52] really plan for

[1:32:54] and we keep waiting for what's

[1:32:56] next well I would agree with what you

[1:32:58] said a minute ago is that you know the

[1:33:00] 36% I I would actually agreed I had a

[1:33:02] little discussion that carrying the 36%

[1:33:06] we already have it this year leave it

[1:33:07] alone but I think you know then next

[1:33:09] year where we have it for a fiveyear

[1:33:11] plan I don't I can't I can't I can't I

[1:33:15] can't foresee us carrying that through

[1:33:17] um after this year I think we should

[1:33:19] stop it and then probably go more to the

[1:33:22] I think in the current ordinance is a a

[1:33:25] mandated 3% um my opinion that is I mean

[1:33:30] I don't know there should be a man I

[1:33:31] don't I don't agree there should be a

[1:33:32] mandated but I do think there should be

[1:33:33] a mandated annually review and verif

[1:33:36] kind of like with your taxes you know

[1:33:38] taxes are mandated every year that you

[1:33:39] review them and you and you make a

[1:33:41] determination I'm going to raise them

[1:33:42] I'm not going to raise them I'm going to

[1:33:44] reduce them or whatever it is may be and

[1:33:46] I think that should be a mandate

[1:33:47] annually that has done and I think the

[1:33:50] then the rate to be increased or not if

[1:33:53] Commission had to make a make a decision

[1:33:55] to raise it or not raise it and if they

[1:33:57] raise it to raise it to not exceed the

[1:34:00] CPI the CPI of that year um I sort of

[1:34:04] said that once before but I said you

[1:34:05] know we would try to cut back this year

[1:34:07] but I got the numbers that that staff

[1:34:09] provided me with and based on that you

[1:34:12] know in FY 23 before we done an increase

[1:34:16] we brought in $435,000 in change and

[1:34:20] then FY

[1:34:22] 24 we brought in

[1:34:24] a after the first

[1:34:27] increase brought in 628 th000 and we're

[1:34:31] on we're on target now assuming with 36%

[1:34:35] of that You' bring in 855 which is

[1:34:38] almost double prior to the tax and from

[1:34:42] an operating perspective I

[1:34:45] think for operating wise that should be

[1:34:49] surfaced now I think also additionally

[1:34:50] we need to look at come back and look at

[1:34:54] you see in the paper that we have in our

[1:34:55] last page page 48 page 48 of

[1:34:59] 49 appreciation 4849 yeah the

[1:35:03] depreciation cost in there which is just

[1:35:06] government paper money U that doesn't

[1:35:08] exist um that's that depreciation fund

[1:35:11] of 668,000 in FY 23 and 84,000 in

[1:35:16] FY uh

[1:35:18] 24 that's that's monies that's costing

[1:35:21] all these projects you know where

[1:35:23] everything's depreciated but that

[1:35:25] depreciation is not being funded and

[1:35:27] many many years ago we had we had a

[1:35:30] funding source for that and I think

[1:35:32] rather than doing the 36% increase I

[1:35:35] think we should be looking at do we need

[1:35:36] to establish a funding source or does

[1:35:39] the operating money with the new rates

[1:35:42] the current new rates is there

[1:35:44] sufficient there to to create a funding

[1:35:46] source for depreciation so when things

[1:35:48] do fail we have more money available and

[1:35:51] I realize there a depreciation fund may

[1:35:54] be another cost somewhere down the road

[1:35:56] this year next year the following year

[1:35:57] somewhere but I

[1:35:59] think the depreciation of the equipment

[1:36:02] in both sore and water but we're a

[1:36:04] talking about water right now should be

[1:36:07] what's looked at next and to find out

[1:36:10] where does that money come from and

[1:36:12] where how do we how do we get get ahead

[1:36:14] of it instead of like we are now behind

[1:36:17] it way behind it

[1:36:20] um but but I would agree that I think

[1:36:23] you know we follow out through this year

[1:36:25] do not do any more substantial increases

[1:36:27] of

[1:36:28] 36% and then come to a conclusion an

[1:36:31] ordinance

[1:36:33] to revamp that that remaining three

[1:36:36] years to be just CPI or something of

[1:36:40] that in my

[1:36:41] opinion that neighborhood and agree to

[1:36:45] establish a funding source for funding

[1:36:48] for um depreciation as I said and you

[1:36:51] could do it similar to what you do for

[1:36:53] your budgets how you have a set second

[1:36:56] meeting of May is always your budget

[1:36:58] meeting solely you could determine what

[1:37:02] month in every year that you want to

[1:37:05] hold a water rate only second meeting to

[1:37:09] set your rates it can be a public

[1:37:11] hearing and then you can set your rates

[1:37:13] and that way

[1:37:15] it's it's consistent you do it every

[1:37:18] probably February or March so that then

[1:37:21] we have the information for the budget

[1:37:22] going forward

[1:37:24] and you revisit it every year and then

[1:37:26] you stay on top of it and then we won't

[1:37:28] get into this position gigantic mess it

[1:37:32] won't be yes not blaming nobody I'm not no just to be

[1:37:37] clear I'm just it's not where we this is

[1:37:40] where we're at so we got we go to we got

[1:37:41] to do whatever we got to do to get out

[1:37:42] of it but um so and then but whatever we

[1:37:46] do we got to look at for what's it going

[1:37:47] to do for the next 20 30 50 years from

[1:37:49] now that we're not the next group of

[1:37:52] people sitting up here aren't up with

[1:37:53] the same

[1:37:54] nonsense right and I think there's other

[1:37:57] things that we can look at that may not

[1:37:58] be pertinent to the discussion tonight

[1:38:00] but like you said like looking at our um

[1:38:03] connection fees and be cognizant when

[1:38:07] businesses and developers come into town

[1:38:09] that we're

[1:38:11] not making such a

[1:38:15] wonderful deal to make it attractive for

[1:38:18] them that's going to put the burden back

[1:38:19] on our residents to pick up the slap

[1:38:21] because residents or businesses that are

[1:38:23] coming into town or buying into an

[1:38:26] existing water system that right now is

[1:38:30] only shared by not a lot of

[1:38:32] people and

[1:38:34] uh so I think I think we need to be

[1:38:37] cognizant of the town of the Town moving

[1:38:40] forward with that I like the idea of

[1:38:44] ride out the 36% or until the end of

[1:38:47] this year because we're already halfway

[1:38:49] through the I mean by the time we make

[1:38:51] it into by the time we get another

[1:38:52] ordinance it be January February way to

[1:38:54] get one past right to to to change it so

[1:38:57] I think you

[1:38:59] just the rate is set um the money there

[1:39:03] is money as that's needed but take the

[1:39:04] big burden we got the burden it's

[1:39:06] already

[1:39:07] here live with what we've done and

[1:39:10] accept it but not do any more

[1:39:14] substantial increases is

[1:39:17] my but like I say at the same time start

[1:39:19] looking for a depreciation funding

[1:39:21] source how do we make that happen

[1:39:24] okay um and what and what is

[1:39:25] depreciation what are we what are we

[1:39:27] funding with that okay make sure that's

[1:39:29] established as well

[1:39:31] that you know your operating money that

[1:39:33] we get with this money that we're

[1:39:35] talking about to me is operating so it's

[1:39:37] like your day-to-day stuff fixing a leak

[1:39:40] or repairing minor stuff or whatever but

[1:39:44] new water lines new new new new pumps

[1:39:46] and new new equipment even even new new

[1:39:50] vehicles and trucks so that's that's depreciation all that all

[1:39:55] that's got a depreciation funds

[1:39:59] right to keep it to 36 to the end of the

[1:40:02] year to the um can you say that louder

[1:40:05] in the microphone I yeah I want to keep

[1:40:06] it at

[1:40:08] 36% to the end of this year and then go

[1:40:11] and revisit every year after that yeah I

[1:40:15] think the idea that we make it you know

[1:40:17] scheduled every year to do that is ideal

[1:40:21] going forward um and the only other

[1:40:24] question I had you mentioned that there

[1:40:25] could be some grants or anything out

[1:40:27] there with us continuing to run and

[1:40:29] increasing the loss does that limit our

[1:40:32] ability to get grants or have an impact

[1:40:34] on

[1:40:35] it so USDA looks at USDA looks at your rates to see if they're competitive

[1:40:41] with or not competitive that one you're

[1:40:43] self- sustaining but two that similar

[1:40:47] systems have about the similar rate so

[1:40:49] they're not subsidizing somebody a

[1:40:51] municipality that's can't pay their own

[1:40:54] bills we've shown great effort to raise

[1:40:58] our rates and to

[1:40:59] make leaps in the right direction I

[1:41:02] don't foresee it being an issue with

[1:41:05] USDA we talked to them quite a bit about

[1:41:08] it um we're going to be testing the

[1:41:10] waters with them here fairly soon on on

[1:41:12] another project but I I don't think so I

[1:41:16] don't think it's going to be a problem

[1:41:18] as long as we're showing and this is

[1:41:19] what they told me a good faith effort

[1:41:21] that you are moving in the right

[1:41:23] direction that you're just not sitting

[1:41:24] there and doing

[1:41:25] nothing but but also let me understand

[1:41:28] correctly the deficits that we show here

[1:41:30] the projected

[1:41:33] deficits other than the grants that we

[1:41:35] already have that takes no it doesn't

[1:41:38] have anything that takes consideration

[1:41:40] that grants will be grants not loans but

[1:41:42] grants will be provided and the

[1:41:44] likelihood of that is pretty good odds

[1:41:46] that some or all them projects will get

[1:41:48] some sort of funding right so um like

[1:41:51] the depal street one because of arpa

[1:41:54] that is all solely Grant funded and arpa

[1:41:56] funded so that's when the Project's done

[1:41:58] we don't have any loans to pay back and

[1:42:01] arpa is now gone after this right arper

[1:42:03] is ARA now gone after this completely

[1:42:06] once we spend this whatever it was yes

[1:42:08] there's no future Ora money not that

[1:42:10] I've heard that's I wouldn't think so um

[1:42:15] so so why the deficits that we see or

[1:42:18] the or the projected

[1:42:21] deficits is the worst case scenario

[1:42:24] probably yeah um but so USDA and other folks won't see that

[1:42:32] much of a deficit most likely um some

[1:42:35] deficit maybe

[1:42:37] right

[1:42:39] but but also the likelihood of doing all

[1:42:43] these projects in this time frame was

[1:42:44] gonna be damn

[1:42:46] hard right going take a while to get

[1:42:48] them all lined up and scheduled and in

[1:42:50] place to get it between now and fy3 you

[1:42:53] know maybe between now and FY 33 34 35

[1:42:56] probably be more well unfortunately you

[1:42:59] look at the pump station start M and I

[1:43:01] started that in 2018 and here we are

[1:43:04] completion is not gonna be till 2025 now

[1:43:07] the Paul Street that one move fairly

[1:43:09] quickly but the other

[1:43:11] ones they they don't then that's why we

[1:43:13] keep planning for them because they do

[1:43:14] take a long time to come you know to

[1:43:16] actually happen yeah you know and th

[1:43:19] those those timelines they estimates on

[1:43:22] when things are going to be completed

[1:43:23] when the money is going to be spent we

[1:43:24] know it's going to be

[1:43:26] spent which timing that's a little what

[1:43:29] is a little

[1:43:31] different and one thing it was mentioned

[1:43:33] here before one thing just to remind

[1:43:35] everybody if we do any annexations

[1:43:37] There's an opportunity

[1:43:40] too it's going to cost you to come to

[1:43:42] down correct don't mean to put it

[1:43:44] bluntly but it's going to cost you to

[1:43:46] come to

[1:43:48] town well and I think it should cost to

[1:43:51] come to town because honestly

[1:43:52] everything's

[1:43:53] otherwise right so we can't we can't we

[1:43:55] can't bring somebody the town into the

[1:43:58] town and exacerbate the problem and and make this make the problem worse

[1:44:03] without making them a part of the

[1:44:05] solution not a bigger part of the

[1:44:07] problem

[1:44:09] correct

[1:44:11] right um additional

[1:44:16] comments do we want to give direction

[1:44:20] because this was just discussion as far

[1:44:21] as

[1:44:25] what we might want to see I think we did

[1:44:27] agree all of us 36% would stay I just

[1:44:30] want to clarify it because we kind of

[1:44:32] for this year throughout this year the

[1:44:34] FY through FY 25 yeah and then after

[1:44:39] that so do we want to bring

[1:44:44] back we're going to need an amended

[1:44:46] ordinance right but but but we're going

[1:44:49] to need that between now and

[1:44:50] about May so I so for Budget purposes we typically really start diving into

[1:44:56] the

[1:44:57] budget March

[1:44:59] one um so my recommendation would be any decision you want to make on water

[1:45:05] rates would need to be done no later

[1:45:07] than the end of

[1:45:09] March um so we have time to really work

[1:45:11] the

[1:45:12] numbers so we need to schedule second

[1:45:15] meeting for March already so you could

[1:45:16] do a second meeting in March or a second

[1:45:18] meeting in in we're gonna want to do it

[1:45:19] sooner that because we're going want to

[1:45:20] see a draft we're going to see a draft

[1:45:23] we say right we're short on time right

[1:45:26] so I and I also would want to think let

[1:45:27] me add something to it before I forget

[1:45:29] it um if we're going to review the rates

[1:45:32] I also think you know it's

[1:45:34] not raise everything or raise nothing I

[1:45:37] think we should you know allow to be

[1:45:39] we're raising just the consumption rate

[1:45:42] or just the meter rate or both and that be both in water and

[1:45:48] sewer right you could look at your basic

[1:45:50] rate your your um ready to serve rates

[1:45:55] yeah or and you can also look at your

[1:45:57] overage rates um right but but it's just

[1:46:01] that I don't want to make it to where

[1:46:02] it's one or the other All or Nothing

[1:46:05] yeah all or nothing you know we have

[1:46:06] flexibility we we we can adjust just the

[1:46:11] so if you're gonna look at all that I

[1:46:12] would I think you need to start in

[1:46:14] February so maybe we can bring

[1:46:18] um clar or um somebody inate I don't

[1:46:23] know have a discussion so they can come

[1:46:24] back with a draft ordinance or

[1:46:26] something so we don't have to give

[1:46:28] guidance as far as what we'd like to see

[1:46:31] yet until February I mean like we kind

[1:46:33] of hatched it out a rough draft but do

[1:46:36] we have to give direction and say to

[1:46:37] work on it in the meantime that's all

[1:46:39] I'm asking but I mean that that's the overall you could even start

[1:46:43] with your discussion in January you

[1:46:45] could you could have it a discussion

[1:46:47] give direction and then come back with

[1:46:50] something to really work on meat and

[1:46:52] potatoes and February um I think we

[1:46:56] should just have water done by itself

[1:46:59] not schedule other things with it get it

[1:47:01] all done take care of kind like you do

[1:47:03] for the budget yeah I mean because the second meeting

[1:47:08] should go quickly if we already have a

[1:47:09] rough draft but then I guess that's with

[1:47:12] Clark there you would need a public

[1:47:13] hearing then right before you actually

[1:47:15] adopt it right but not for the draft not draft and discussion

[1:47:20] no right right just just the

[1:47:23] final

[1:47:25] okay so then so then we want to just get

[1:47:28] direction then it says to to schedule

[1:47:30] for a mid-month workshop in January to

[1:47:34] discuss water rates based off the

[1:47:37] discussion we had tonight yes all

[1:47:48] right Tuesdays we Tuesdays

[1:47:53] what you Avid any day but Monday not the

[1:47:56] third Monday third Monday this we

[1:48:00] know all right Miss Willis did you have

[1:48:03] enough Direction based on that okay all

[1:48:06] right any further

[1:48:08] comments questions no all

[1:48:13] right

[1:48:15] then we we don't need to vote on that

[1:48:18] because we're just giving guidance and

[1:48:20] consensus so correct no

[1:48:23] we're good all

[1:48:28] right I lost my

[1:48:33] flow yeah but I took the there it

[1:48:37] is your December meeting is gonna be on

[1:48:39] Tuesday that correct correct yes I say I

[1:48:43] don't think I'm gonna be it's possible I

[1:48:45] make zoom in but reception where I'm

[1:48:47] going is not very good trust me so we're

[1:48:50] going to set the agenda for December you

[1:48:55] actually are you still going to have

[1:48:56] your November

[1:48:58] 18th workshop at

[1:49:00] 6:30 pm oh you weren't here

[1:49:07] yes that was the mayor's

[1:49:12] idea

[1:49:14] Bud

[1:49:20] um uh first item was discussion related to ordinance 2409 amending town

[1:49:25] code to allow and establish requirements

[1:49:28] for student

[1:49:29] housing and then number two was

[1:49:31] discussion related to ordinance

[1:49:33] 24-10 amending town code to establish a

[1:49:36] rental registration

[1:49:39] program right we just we had um we

[1:49:43] wanted to Workshop

[1:49:45] it and I believe your applicant and his

[1:49:48] attorney will be here again as well as

[1:49:51] Miss pal

[1:49:54] it's just

[1:49:56] discussion

[1:50:00] right

[1:50:01] okay and that is a

[1:50:04] Monday that is a Monday it's not the

[1:50:06] third Monday though right yeah that's

[1:50:07] fine I don't have anything oh that's

[1:50:09] right that's right you you were off that

[1:50:10] day remember he made us jump through

[1:50:12] hoops J yes and I was so scarred by not

[1:50:15] the third Monday the meeting gets cancel

[1:50:17] that helps me out too so yeah okay um

[1:50:21] yeah so that works and then December

[1:50:24] meeting do we have okay so then December

[1:50:27] 3D town meeting um administrative

[1:50:31] business will be an update on the

[1:50:33] leadline service inventory

[1:50:36] project um I will have final numbers and

[1:50:40] letters have to go out by November 15th

[1:50:43] and we'll have some more updates by then

[1:50:45] uh for consent agenda for consideration

[1:50:48] reappoint Jack poot to Parks and

[1:50:50] Recreation committee with term of

[1:50:53] December 2nd 2024 to December 2nd

[1:51:00] 2026 and then I have five agenda items

[1:51:04] number one would be review review and

[1:51:07] approval of design bid for the West Main

[1:51:10] Street and wesboro Pike waterline

[1:51:12] replacement project for

[1:51:15] consideration number two would be for

[1:51:17] consideration approve or reject the

[1:51:21] request from Mr Robert a Fritz Jr to

[1:51:24] acquire a RightWay from the town's

[1:51:26] property on Hampton Valley

[1:51:30] Road number three for consideration

[1:51:33] approval of resolution

[1:51:47] 2024-25

[1:51:50] r nonprofit payment plan plan for water

[1:51:53] and sewer connection

[1:51:56] fees and then number five U for

[1:51:59] consideration approval of bid for the

[1:52:02] town of emmittsburg sewer line camera

[1:52:06] project

[1:52:11] okay um and I know we discussed a

[1:52:16] workshop in

[1:52:17] December for the FY 24 audit

[1:52:20] presentation

[1:52:22] and the discussion related to Water and

[1:52:24] Sewer connection

[1:52:28] fees and speaking with the Auditors they

[1:52:30] would pref they are available on the 9th

[1:52:34] oh gosh that's week December between

[1:52:38] tree lighting a regular town meeting

[1:52:41] Monday oh my

[1:52:45] goodness that is completely up to you

[1:52:48] guys H it sounded like a good idea at

[1:52:51] the time but

[1:52:53] December's busy do we have to have this

[1:52:56] workshop for the Auditors I can push

[1:52:59] them till January it's typically when

[1:53:02] they come in January they typically they

[1:53:04] come in

[1:53:05] January commissioner Hoover I know you

[1:53:07] were out we were talking about that

[1:53:09] second meeting in December and it you

[1:53:12] said it was for presentation for the

[1:53:14] Auditors and then we were going to

[1:53:16] potentially look at Water and Sewer

[1:53:18] connection fees connection fees I'm

[1:53:20] thinking

[1:53:23] it sounded good at the time and now it

[1:53:25] doesn't sound so good because they can

[1:53:27] only meet on December 9th which would

[1:53:28] put like tree lighting regular town

[1:53:31] meeting and the workshop like in the

[1:53:33] span of seven

[1:53:34] [Music]

[1:53:36] days and it's a holiday month I would

[1:53:39] like to

[1:53:42] postpone

[1:53:47] thoughts we're going to meet at 4:30 now

[1:53:50] amm

[1:53:53] January's fine with me for the thank you

[1:53:56] commissioner

[1:53:57] higen yeah I'd go to

[1:53:59] January commissioner

[1:54:06] Hoover you want to push through December

[1:54:08] into December 9th I want to hear it from

[1:54:10] your lips is that what you

[1:54:11] want works for me I'm not gonna be here

[1:54:13] December 3D my God here we go let's

[1:54:16] postpone until January please works for

[1:54:18] me all

[1:54:20] right all right thank you um do we have

[1:54:25] to vote on to accept the agenda I think

[1:54:28] we already did once but do we vote again

[1:54:30] to accept the agenda for December 3r oh

[1:54:33] you haven't done December 3rd yet wait

[1:54:35] what did we just do or did you I don't

[1:54:38] think you approved the agenda did you

[1:54:40] December 3D no we didn't all okay no we

[1:54:42] did you did the workshop on the 18th

[1:54:44] though right yeah right so is there a

[1:54:46] motion to approve the agenda for

[1:54:48] December

[1:54:49] 3D uh thank you is there a second second

[1:54:53] any further discussion all in favor

[1:54:55] please say I I I motion carries uh four

[1:55:00] to one

[1:55:02] absent and with that we come to a close

[1:55:07] is there a motion to adjourn the

[1:55:10] meeting I moved thank you is there a

[1:55:13] second seconded thank you further

[1:55:15] discussion I can't imagine all right all

[1:55:18] in favor please say I motion car carries um 4 to one absent

[1:55:26] and the meeting is adjourned at

[1:55:31] 8:57

[1:55:33] p.m. thank you everyone

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