[0:07] Okay, thank you very much.

[0:11] We are going to open the SDK city council meeting. We're

[0:16] going to start with the uh pledge of allegiance, please.

[0:23] » To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it

[0:28] stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

[0:33] for all. [clears throat]

[0:38] » Thank you very much. Satie, can I get roll call, please?

[0:42] » Councelor Delerto >> here.

[0:44] » Councelor Dozal >> here.

[0:46] » Councelor Hill here. Councelor Mrighty >> here.

[0:49] » Councelor Metaf >> here.

[0:51] » Councelor Tenbush >> here.

[0:52] » Mayor Drinkwine >> here. Thank you very much. All right,

[0:58] sir. Sorry I'm late, guys. And when you get older, forget about that time

[1:03] change. Um, so you have the pledge of just have

[1:06] the roll call. Everything's good. We're at the uh first assistant group comment

[1:11] » and we do have one in front. All right.

[1:16] Well, Tom Thompson.

[1:27] Well, my name is Tom Thompson and today the city of Esticada here, they revoked

[1:33] my license on my business and they shut the water off and I am not sure exactly

[1:38] why being we stopped operations in our food cart selling to everyday purposes

[1:44] like we were on the 25th. Melanie had called and said that she was that I

[1:49] needed to submit my gaywater grease trap system.

[1:55] I am exempt from this system because I'm a food cart and I have a company that

[2:02] properly pumps my system out and takes it to where it needs to be properly

[2:05] disposed of and I pay for those services. I have sent her all of the

[2:10] paperwork on all of that along with Sir Miss Drinkwine code enforcement

[2:18] and Melanie. I've given four four of you different emails on this and I would

[2:22] like to know why.

[2:29] » Back to you all and get back to school. >> Okay.

[2:32] » Because we haven't done anything wrong and we have been 100% compliant. We've

[2:36] taken all the things down. Everything that you told us to move and do, we have

[2:40] done all those things. So I am curious why

[2:46] a followup. So, you can't give me the direct answer right now means you sent

[2:50] me the email today stating that my license was revoked and that sort of

[2:55] thing.

[2:58] » Pardon me? >> No.

[2:59] » No. I do believe this is my time. This is my three minutes to ask you that

[3:02] question. And >> three minutes, but not your three

[3:04] minutes to demand anything. Okay. >> Yeah. I I know I know, sir. Drink wine.

[3:08] I know what you said the last time that I was here. Did you follow through with

[3:11] me and get a meeting with me? Like I asked for you guys to meet up with me.

[3:14] No, you haven't bothered. You haven't bothered to call and set anything up.

[3:18] And then at the end of your meeting, I don't understand

[3:20] » a place to argue about this. This really isn't.

[3:22] » And you know what? When is it? >> Cuz you won't give me a call.

[3:28] » She don't have the answers. >> So, I would really like to know when.

[3:31] » You keep blowing me off and blowing me off.

[3:34] » Nobody's blowing you off. >> Yeah,

[3:36] » we're all right here. >> I've requested time, you know,

[3:39] » and and and and you're not the one we were wanting to speak with.

[3:41] » Okay. uh in the communication that I saw there was nothing saying I want directly

[3:47] to speak with the man. >> We stated that when we were here the

[3:49] last time that we wanted to speak with these two gentlemen right here

[3:51] » but further communication you know it looks

[3:54] » there was further communication Melanie was informed and she sent us over the

[3:58] information from him that they were going to get in contact that I sent over

[4:01] the mayor all your information so that he can get in contact with you and set

[4:05] up a meeting with you. That was the email that she had stated and sent to

[4:07] me. So that's the reason why I'm asking this question. Why did you not follow

[4:10] through? Hey, that's on me. >> I'm a business owner in this county and

[4:14] I don't understand why you treating me like this.

[4:16] » I'm not treating you anyway, you know, from the beginning.

[4:19] » So, the city is Yes, the city here to argue this point. Okay, we're not here

[4:24] to argue this point, >> but I'm going to entertain you here and

[4:27] and tell you I did not forget you. I didn't even see this email about meeting

[4:35] with you personally. I haven't seen it. But when I I I guarantee you I will look

[4:39] at my computer and say, >> "Oh, we don't even care now because we

[4:41] know how much you really care about your citizens sophisticated." So you don't or

[4:45] any of the small businesses and that's exactly how I feel.

[4:49] » Okay. Well, you've had your three minutes now. We

[4:51] » Yes, I have. >> Very good. See talking

[5:04] and sitting over there and laugh like that. Mr.

[5:07] is not >> who is laughing.

[5:11] » To be fair, to be fair, before they left uh the last meeting, they he did

[5:16] specifically ask both of you in person. >> He did to meet with us. But

[5:20] » so we didn't get a chance to talk and find out that, did we?

[5:24] » But to be fair, he did personally. >> That's not the argument.

[5:28] » That wasn't the argument, J. But thank you for your help on this.

[5:32] » I'll follow up on with that question. that wasn't a actually wasn't a concern

[5:36] with the operations anymore because they had settled that. But I'll follow up

[5:39] with them and copy all of you on it. >> I appreciate that. If we could just give

[5:44] them information at the very least or at least we could have the information more

[5:47] so so that we can educate the community in a proper way because I know that this

[5:51] is going to draw a lot of questions. Let's just make sure we're clear on it.

[5:55] Be my best thing. I don't think it's fair to attack any leadership in this

[5:59] room for that. I mean, this whole situation is emotionally charged. Yes,

[6:04] » but >> he did ask for that, Jerry. I I will

[6:07] acknowledge that he did. He did. I thought he pointed at

[6:11] » uh myself. I wasn't sure if it was you and me or council

[6:16] » Hill actually. I thought, >> but either way, I do have his email. I

[6:20] personally will follow up again. I did email them from my work email, but

[6:24] sometimes I have issues with that. So, thank

[6:27] » you.

[6:30] Okay.

[6:35] All right. So, do we have anybody else online? Anybody uh wishes to go out to

[6:39] the mayor today? That'd be a nice time right now when we get it all out since

[6:44] I'm such a horrible person. I appreciate all of you though. So, thank you for

[6:49] what you do. Um that said, we're going to move on to the consent agenda. You've

[6:54] all had a chance to read over the consent agenda. Are there any things

[6:58] that stand out that >> I'd like to pull out? Item C, the

[7:02] resolution uh city council uh authorizes city manager grant

[7:07] application acceptance authority. >> Okay. All right. We'll move that on to

[7:12] council business. Uh on the rest, is everything

[7:16] up to par? Everybody good with it? >> Okay. Can I get a motion on the floor?

[7:21] » I move to approve the consent agenda as modified.

[7:25] » Second. >> Okay. Got a first and second. All those

[7:28] in favor say I. >> I. All those opposed. Motion passes.

[7:32] Thank you very much for that. Council business. Um we're here to discuss two

[7:37] items now because we moved um C down to council business. So we'll start off

[7:42] with that one first if that's okay. Um and I will let you take it away on that

[7:47] one. >> Yeah. the um

[7:51] having just gone through all that code stuff and with just experience on the

[7:56] council so far, uh it's my experience that grants often are encumbered with

[8:01] some sort of strings attached. Uh be it uh oversight or requirements

[8:09] or or whatever it may be. And this um this language is a little too um

[8:18] uh broad. I wouldn't want I would want if like one of the things I read in the

[8:24] code thing was that we if we accepted money from this particular organization,

[8:28] we were granting the state 30 years of being in our business. Uh and that's

[8:34] just not something that that I would be interested in doing. And so um I'm not

[8:41] sure. and and it actually made me think, how often are we actually seeing grants

[8:46] come across our our desk um where we've got enough

[8:51] time to actually look and and see what those strings are. I would be very

[8:56] interested in when we're getting a a uh description of of what the item is that

[9:02] we're looking at of having a subsection showing what the requirements of that

[9:07] grant are with regards to incumbrances, be it requirements or or what have you.

[9:14] But in this instance, I just think it's too broad and and I would vote no on it

[9:18] in this form. >> Okay. Anybody else on this issue?

[9:27] Melissa, >> so I also was looking at that was one of

[9:29] the one items that I was curious about because I know that there's been

[9:34] conversation whether it's here or out in general public. Um, grants do sometimes

[9:39] have things attached to them as far as like scratch my back, I'll scratch

[9:43] yours, layman's terms. But, um, this one in particular, if I could get some

[9:47] clarity on, it was already in motion to sign up for because we were waiting on

[9:53] it to open because it was directly affecting the cost of the wastewater

[9:58] treatment plan, right? Is that what it was?

[10:03] » Yeah. I'm not sure which >> Well, I'm sorry. What was the question?

[10:06] Yeah, >> this particular grant that

[10:10] we're specifying it was on the wastewater treatment. We were waiting

[10:13] for Okay. So, that's just an example though. Waiting.

[10:17] » Yeah, this was for the water the one that needed to be signed before your

[10:20] next meeting before I knew this meeting was going to uh take place and we could

[10:24] get this handled um was for the water treatment plant for a million dollars.

[10:29] We were going to ask >> Okay. Yeah. I wanted to bring that up

[10:31] because I wouldn't I wasn't quite sure of the time stamp on that, but like the

[10:35] essence of uh jumping on the ball when they do come up for

[10:40] applying for and in this instance that would be an example of something that

[10:43] would like come forward. Do they just do that without us knowing that first

[10:49] because we already know that that's coming or is that Do you understand what

[10:53] I'm saying? Yeah, I mean I think Elena's been good with coming to us with some of

[10:56] these grant opportunities >> and giving us a little bit of a insight

[11:00] into some of them uh in the past. Um I think they're looking for a more

[11:05] convenient way to get these grants taken care of um than what we've had now. Uh

[11:12] I'm I'm not in agreement with this particular item for other reasons. I

[11:17] think you know the bottom part that was added there in emergency preparedness

[11:21] having Melanie be the sign off on that >> or whoever the city manager is at the

[11:27] time. >> Okay. Um I I had an issue with that part

[11:33] but I was going to discuss that but Mike go ahead.

[11:35] » I just want to clarify is this asking for you guys to have the authority to

[11:40] apply for grants but not finalize them. >> Correct. So, say there's a short window

[11:47] and you're wanting to apply for something, you apply for it. The

[11:49] contract still comes before the city council to look at the details of the

[11:55] contract, look at the responsibilities, the performance requirements, all of

[12:00] that stuff before we approve the we still have to approve the contract for

[12:05] the grants or is there a situation where you're going to be able to apply for a

[12:08] grant where it doesn't come in front of us first? Typically the contract would

[12:12] always come to you typically into the consent agenda. Um there might be

[12:18] there might be some grant actually there could be a grant at any time that's just

[12:23] a random grant that I could apply for. They're not asking for a signatory

[12:27] authority. Um and so I could apply for it and then I could receive it for

[12:32] whatever whatever area it might be helping on the project. this particular

[12:36] grant that just came out of the governor's office um was going to allow

[12:40] us to apply for up to a million dollars and so we were going to apply for that

[12:44] for the water treatment plant and it was a very short it would I think September

[12:48] 8th was the deadline you're not meeting till the 14th um and they wanted um

[12:52] certain proof of signature signature authority and so that's what where

[12:58] something like this a resolution like this would help saying yes I do have

[13:01] that typically we're not going to at least I'm not going to be applying for

[13:06] things that I would think that the council would not agree with. There is

[13:10] always strings attached with money. It's kind of a pain in the neck sometimes. I

[13:14] know that our finance director can say yes, it is um you know, we have to turn

[13:18] in extra things and we have to but is it a million dollars worth of extra

[13:22] strings? Probably not. Is it a couple hundred thousand dollars worth? It's

[13:26] probably not. So typically the grants and most of the grants we get are are um

[13:32] through like other government programs and partners. So um they can have

[13:36] strings attached. Yes. Typically it's worth it to get the money that would um

[13:41] then not have to come from our taxpayers or rateayers.

[13:45] I don't know if that that overspoke your question probably. So

[13:48] » I guess what I was trying to get at is is if there's an obligation from the

[13:52] city to fulfill in a grant, is there typically a contract associated with

[13:56] that >> rather than just signing some

[13:59] » Right. Correct. And they would list out what our responsibilities are and we

[14:02] that would have to come to the council. >> I guess if if we're not I mean the the

[14:08] way I feel about is that the the city council appoints it hires the city

[14:12] manager. we're choosing the leader of the city and

[14:17] I trust her with the authority to to to apply for grants. If there's some sort

[14:21] of contractual obligation of the city and that still comes before the city

[14:26] council to dissect and go through before we finalize it, then I think we would

[14:31] have the opportunity to object to something that we didn't like there. And

[14:34] if we're not going to give her the authority, then we need to come up with

[14:37] a solution for when there's an opportunity, a short window opportunity

[14:41] or everyone needs to just be willing to have like an emergency session and come

[14:45] in and have a meeting to give her the authority to do that so that we're not

[14:49] missing out on opportunities for funding on some of these large ticket item

[14:52] projects like the water treatment center, the wastewater treatment

[14:55] facility we're still trying to get more money for. And I know that some of these

[14:58] things can come up or you may get a call from Salem saying, "Hey, we haven't had

[15:02] any applications for this. you guys are perfect for this and then there's a four

[15:05] to six week window where we don't have a meeting that month. I just don't want us

[15:09] to miss out on the opportunity. So if we if we're going to not give her the

[15:13] authority to do it, then we need to come up with a solution I think to deal with

[15:17] those situations where we or the situation that they're in right now

[15:21] where they have to come up with something before the next meeting we had

[15:23] scheduled. So that's my thought on it. So, in my experience, what it seems is,

[15:30] you know, I've seen a list of all the grants that that Elena has done. And

[15:34] frankly, I don't remember any of those coming, you know, running by. they just

[15:39] go and and sign up for my understanding of the process is they sign up for these

[15:43] these grants or whatever they are and then and then they come by and I you

[15:49] know I have seen some that that need to be approved but but I've also seen them

[15:53] where we've got we've got to approve this tonight um because you know the

[15:58] deadline is is Monday or Tuesday or something like that so we're short time

[16:03] frame so I completely agree with what uh what you're saying both of you guys. Um,

[16:09] in terms of giving her the flexibility, um, to do something like that, I just

[16:13] don't know that that's not what's happening already. Um, and and so I

[16:19] would just want to make sure, which [clears throat] I'm seeing agreement

[16:22] with that, too, is that we're not um being obligated to do things that we

[16:28] haven't had a chance to talk about uh, in a timely manner instead of having the

[16:32] information dumped on us and we've got this meeting or this packet to figure it

[16:37] out. something like that. So, if we could um sort that timing aspect out um

[16:42] I'd be a more amenable. >> Yeah.

[16:47] » Yeah. I was [clears throat] I'm in agreement that we do trust you to

[16:52] be clear but and I know that we can't always just look online and be like the

[17:00] online criticism is what is truth but we can look online and say that there's an

[17:05] overwhelming sense of we don't have any idea what is going on at a from a

[17:11] control standpoint that is a very astounding

[17:17] generalization that we don't really have a say. We're not in the control in the

[17:22] mix. Now, I'm not saying that you don't make the right decisions. But what I'm

[17:26] saying is the community is not asking us to hand stuff over to the staff to make

[17:30] decisions. They're asking us to show them that we are making decisions to

[17:34] take control and to take the town in the direction that they want to see the town

[17:38] go into. And to me, that includes grants. And a way that I would be

[17:41] concerned is when we look to like state funded grants, and I won't speak to

[17:46] because I'm not educated enough on it to say that this is in totality how things

[17:52] are. But what I would say is like with Thrive community grants and things like

[17:55] that, it then signs you up for state authority or people like that. get to

[18:00] come in and then when they suggest things, suggestion becomes more of the

[18:05] mandate at some point or they shape their things very much on the state's

[18:10] guidance towards a rural vision versus a community's leadership's guidance of

[18:13] their identity in the way that they're trying to develop it. So from that

[18:18] standpoint, [clears throat] I like and I agree with you that I don't necessarily

[18:22] think that it's not happening already. I've not I've seen stuff come to us

[18:26] through the consent agenda. to Melany's point that we've agreed on. And I'm not

[18:31] saying that it's not happening, but I can't remember a time that we've

[18:34] discussed should we or should we not go for this. It's just something that's

[18:37] been put on or we're being told that we were awarded a grant that quite frankly

[18:42] is usually about funding to come up with a plan or a master plan funding of some

[18:48] sort is what it typically or helping us with the mills infrastructure layout or

[18:53] the soil samples or I'm not saying that that's the accurate thing but those type

[18:56] of descript those type of descriptive things. So my concern would be from the

[19:01] state side what obligations come with that once we introduced another agency

[19:05] into our decision- making or into our I guess advisory if you will and then the

[19:12] other part was it got into infrastructure and other things like

[19:16] that and then it talks about emergency management and I don't see how those are

[19:21] related right so to me when you're saying in the case of an emergency she

[19:26] should be able to make decision well absolutely she's the city manager

[19:30] she should be able to make decisions. But in case of emergency, isn't the

[19:35] infrastructure that they still haven't fixed from 15 years ago that's not

[19:39] related to me. So that's another I just don't like the way that this is laid out

[19:44] in the way that it's read. I'd entertain it rewritten

[19:48] with clarity to your point about maybe to what council Melroy is saying with

[19:53] clarity given saying that you can apply for whatever XYZ but when it comes down

[20:00] to us signing the final dot to accept it that we've all had time to make sure we

[20:05] look through the document or whatnot. And then for the solution based, you

[20:09] said if we don't give her the authority, I'm just thinking trying to answer you

[20:12] on that if we weren't to. I would be willing to say as a council maybe we

[20:18] come to some kind of a consensus or agreement that it's whoever Melanie

[20:22] could get quorum with first, the first four that she can get on the phone to

[20:26] agree to a meeting and set a meeting and then she can still reach out to

[20:30] everybody. But as soon as she has quorum, she's got authority to make a

[20:34] meeting and then that's what we're rolling. and we just have a consensus

[20:38] ruling that if we're out of town or if there's work or there's something going

[20:41] on as long as there's a quorum, we we have to trust each other and quite

[20:46] frankly, if we don't trust each other, the community does. So, yeah, I'm I I

[20:51] think you're on the right track and you're on the right track. A like Mike's

[20:54] version of us being uh able to make an emergency meeting if that's the case if

[21:00] we want to be in contact with this whole situation. I think yours of bringing

[21:05] four together at one time if you can't get everybody would be a good idea. So

[21:10] yeah, I think both those work. Uh Melanie.

[21:13] » Okay, just I have written down my point so I stay on track. Okay, so first of

[21:17] all, I want to say there have been a lot of um kind of accusatory comments going

[21:22] around on Facebook lately and if anybody has any questions about um any of those

[21:28] comments, you're always free to call me, email me. Um, if a question comes in

[21:33] from one counselor, not of course emailing the whole council, but if I get

[21:37] a question from one counselor that I think would benefit everybody, I will

[21:39] send it out to the whole council so that you're all aware. Um, and so I'm happy

[21:44] to do that. And I will say this is the most engaged council that we've had in

[21:49] the past, you know, few years, especially right now. I think everybody

[21:52] is completely engaged. You know what's going on. You're here at every meeting.

[21:56] You're reading your packets. Um, we discuss the packet ahead of time. And so

[22:00] I I don't know where the community would be coming from thinking that the council

[22:06] isn't leading this charge because um I see all very engaged and um providing

[22:12] direction to staff. Um secondly the um we have there's many grants

[22:19] opportunities that come up that we do pass on u because like for instance that

[22:23] TGM grant um comes around there's grants that come around every year from

[22:26] different agencies and I'll get email from somebody and it's like hey this is

[22:30] open again like yeah we don't have capacity to do it and I feel that the

[22:35] city manager and the our department heads will have a better grasp of how

[22:41] much capacity staff has than the council who is setting the values and vision for

[22:46] the community. And so I I want you to be confident that if I don't think we can

[22:50] handle it, we're not going to do it. Um but there are there are things that we

[22:55] have to follow up on and then we have to meet the audit, you know, and things

[22:58] like that. So um they we do pass on grants. So if I don't think we have

[23:03] capacity um and then there there's a couple of whereas statements in at the

[23:09] beginning of this it says it's referenced to infrastructure and parks

[23:13] projects for which funding assistance is needed and the second whereas is um the

[23:19] city of Esticada has authorized said projects through the budgetary master

[23:22] planning process. So these aren't just random um random opportunities that are

[23:27] coming up. They're already a direction that we're heading. But if you do want

[23:32] to um if the if the disaster management that does um if you want to strike that

[23:38] that's fine. If you don't pass this or some variation of it or at least a

[23:42] motion to say that the mayor or the city manager can sign this grant application

[23:47] we'll miss it. Um that would be up to you.

[23:53] » Okay. Um, I personally want to dismiss the emergency preparedness part of bas

[24:00] out of it totally. Now, on the grant part, [snorts]

[24:02] I'm in agreement with a couple of you on, like I said, on the way that plays

[24:06] out on on how we do that. Now, I don't know how much any of you would trust the

[24:13] mayor to be a part of that, but her comment about the mayor and the city

[24:16] manager being in on grants, I like that better. I like it better because

[24:23] you know one of us who's on this board is a part of that process.

[24:29] So you hope that that person that you've put your trust in has your best interest

[24:35] in mind. Um and that we're in enough agreement that we know each other around

[24:39] the table to know whether that's something that we could trust with

[24:43] either me or whoever was picked to be a part of that. um if we wanted to make it

[24:48] easier without bringing four people together. Now, the other option was the

[24:52] four people that Jonathan came up with I I think is a great idea. You know, if it

[24:56] had to be an emergency meeting, we couldn't get everybody there. I

[24:58] understand that, but four would be good. Um that also sounded good. So, I don't

[25:04] know where you're all at. Um you would kind of have to

[25:08] » I'd be first giving Melanie the authority, second if Melanie is not the

[25:12] authority. whatever the quickest way to get the grant application in the

[25:15] deadline, you or you or Melanie. And then third would be the the emergency

[25:20] meeting is kind of my order of what the way that

[25:24] » I'd just like to give the authority to Melanie and then uh you know the other

[25:28] two options are um fine with me. I'd like that the one on uh point two on

[25:36] notification um when they do submit the grant actually send us the information

[25:42] on what's uh you know the basics of the grant itself but also the incumbrances

[25:47] with it. >> I think that that uh

[25:50] » checks check box. Yes sir. >> Okay. All right.

[25:54] » Agree on that. And as far as the last part, the emergency preparedness art,

[26:00] where do we all stand on that? Strike or leave.

[26:04] » Yeah, we can we drop that. It's grants. >> Leave that. Okay. Drop. Leave.

[26:11] » Uh I I like drop it for now. I mean, I'm

[26:17] kind of unclear. What is the What are we coming to consensus? I understand what

[26:21] » that's on the bottom part of that. You know you the first.

[26:24] » No, I got that part. But the what are we agreeing though? I I understand what

[26:28] your point is. Are we agreeing on option one? What Mike and Jerry

[26:33] » are going with? I'm kind of leaning towards

[26:34] » I just want to kick like one one thing real quick, Jonathan, if if you don't

[26:37] mind. >> Is it just the way it reads on here is

[26:40] that after it gives her the authority, the signatory the city manager designate

[26:44] may submit and sign for competitive or discretionary grants granting agencies

[26:48] without mayor and city council approval if no city matching funds required.

[26:52] notification. She's going to notify us right away that she applied for it.

[26:56] Acceptance. The city manager or designate will present for approval the

[26:59] grant award prior to acceptance before we take anything that's going to take

[27:04] any burden. That's being presented to the council. Correct.

[27:07] » But it's already signed. >> It's it's been applied for and we've

[27:10] been awarded money and then we have to decide whether we want to accept the

[27:14] money. So, we're going to have the opportunity. That's why I'm a little bit

[27:17] lost on the like where the authority is being given away. She has the ability to

[27:24] it. It's projects that are in our master plan or in our you know it's something

[27:27] that we put in our budget. It's a large project that we're going for. They're

[27:32] applying for money. They get granted money. They have to come to us to accept

[27:35] the money. Is it I'm I'm lost on the >> I think the argument was what what are

[27:41] the hidden stipulations behind the grant?

[27:43] » Yeah. And and I understand as long as Yes. And it's is the weekend is the

[27:48] argument that the weekend's not long enough to read up on it

[27:52] » in in essence. Yeah. I mean, if you're getting the packet, so just enough time.

[27:56] And so if they're per No.2, if they're sending us the information the same time

[28:02] they're sending in the grant >> for Yeah. And because then we've gotten

[28:06] notice of it. We're we're aware of what it is, what it entails. We have time to

[28:10] digest it. We have to put in the work to read it before we get awarded it. But

[28:14] then if you've done their the homework on that, I I just don't see any issues.

[28:18] » It's not restricted by to a packet though.

[28:20] » Yeah. >> No. Yeah. I got you. If as long as

[28:22] there's the simultaneous notification when they apply for it,

[28:25] » it it reads like it's like it shouldn't be an issue at all.

[28:30] I I think maybe a even simpler fix too for just clarity purposes because I do

[28:36] hear what you're saying and I don't disagree with you presented like that

[28:39] especially but what if it was in an order of operations this is not

[28:44] something that goes into the consent agenda anymore. You just make that a

[28:48] council business item or whatever. make it an agenda item specifically so that

[28:54] the so that the excuse me the grant sorry is right there in front of us.

[29:00] It's a discussed thing. It's not something that accidentally gets lost in

[29:05] eight other things or four other things or however long the consent agenda is.

[29:09] Then it still allows the authority. We do trust her. That's not been the

[29:12] argument at all in this conversation. So I don't just to be clear I don't feel

[29:16] like that that is the problem here. But I think that gives it makes it clear

[29:22] where then nobody in this conversation can say we weren't aware or we didn't

[29:27] realize that we voted that through or so on so forth because it's easy to get

[29:30] stuff mixed up in the consent agenda with the caveat that if if we're getting

[29:36] the information in the packet at the same time that we're seeing it for the

[29:40] first time then I agree then bring it down. But if we've gotten the

[29:45] information before the before the even packet came out. So, we've had

[29:49] additional time to look through the consent agenda is handy. Um,

[29:54] » and so I can see >> I think we I think we always everyone

[29:59] would have the opportunity any counselor would have the opportunity to pull it

[30:02] out of the consent agenda every single time. They would have the opportunity

[30:06] to, but I think that leaving it in there would for the times when we don't, it

[30:10] would make things run faster. But and then if if somebody just decided they

[30:14] wanted to pull it out, they'd have the authority to be able to pull it out

[30:17] every single time. may just look at the consent agenda before they voted on it

[30:20] and say, "I want to pull that out and we can discuss it." But

[30:26] » last thought, I think the timeline here is like really condensed, too. So,

[30:30] sometimes there's a quick timeline to apply, but then it's going to have to go

[30:34] through like are we even going to get this grant? Um, so you'd be notified

[30:38] when we apply, but it it wouldn't be like we apply on Thursday and then

[30:42] Monday you have to prove the contract because we wouldn't even know probably

[30:45] right away that whether we're going to get it and then if we do then there's

[30:49] the contract time. So we'd be keeping you up to speed on on what's going. It

[30:53] wouldn't be an immediate typically it's not that you know within just a week or

[30:59] two that they would announce who gets awarded a grant.

[31:02] » It's usually months. It usually is, even if the application process turns out to

[31:08] be quick. >> Maybe we could even introduce just a

[31:11] quarterly grant update or something so we know where we're at in the process of

[31:15] what grants and so on so forth. That would bring clarity as well when things

[31:18] are coming up. We're not >> like a benchmark.

[31:22] » Yeah. You know, I mean, I would love to see because I mean, one thing we've

[31:25] asked in that line is more grants, especially parks, racks, different

[31:28] things. Bring more opportunities. So, I agree with you. the last thing we want

[31:31] to do is handcuff them from being able to do that because we are over involved.

[31:37] Right. I don't I don't disagree with your point on that. But I would I would

[31:41] like to know more on what's going on. Trying to file it myself. It's difficult

[31:46] sometimes. I will be honest. I'm sure I'm not alone. But I'll own it.

[31:51] » No, I think that ties right in with because I've really enjoyed the

[31:54] department head reports. Get so much information from that. And so I think

[31:58] that's in the same bank. That's a good idea.

[32:02] » Okay. >> So, I move to approve resolution

[32:05] 2026-018 grant signing authority as written.

[32:10] » Okay. And is that taking out or striking the

[32:13] » Well, he said as written. Do you want to do it as written or do you want

[32:17] » Okay.

[32:21] So, can I get a second on that?

[32:28] All right. Motion dies on the floor. Uh, next motion.

[32:33] » I move to approve resolution 2026-018

[32:38] uh, striking the last line in background. This also authorizes the

[32:43] city manager to apply for and sign grants related to a declared emergency

[32:46] or disaster. >> Okay, I have first and second. Can I get

[32:50] the second? >> Second.

[32:51] » Have first and second. All those in favor and let's do a roll call on that

[32:55] one. See [clears throat] >> councelor Delto? Yes.

[32:59] » Councelor Dozel. >> Yes.

[33:01] » Hill. >> Yes.

[33:03] » Councelor Mroy. >> Yes.

[33:04] » Councelor Metap. >> Yes.

[33:06] » Councelor Chenbush. >> Yes.

[33:08] » Mayor Drink. >> Yes.

[33:09] » Motion passes. >> All right. Thank you very much for that.

[33:12] Uh, now we move on to council business. Uh, we are at the ballot measure 3-638.

[33:21] And this is discussion. So, we need to figure out the wording. Uh, do you have

[33:25] something, Mike? Maybe that's already >> I did and I sent it out earlier and I

[33:30] completely misread the characters for words and so we have a lot more words to

[33:35] get in. We got I I got it down to 325 characters. It's very concise.

[33:39] » Uh but it's we have room for >> word count format must not I think that

[33:44] is I think you are right. Please handc count your statement to ensure your word

[33:48] count does not exceed 325. >> Word count word not character. That's

[33:53] how I read it, too. And then I started going,

[33:56] » okay, it's a word. Okay. >> Yeah.

[33:58] » Bullet points, man. Bullet points. >> Yes. [laughter] So, I wrote something uh

[34:02] but completely open to to whatever anyone thinks. And so, what I wrote is

[34:07] um vote yes on measure 3-638. After years of complaints, ongoing

[34:12] nuisance reports, and continuing lack of compliance, it is time to take back

[34:16] control of what's happening in our town. This measure does not affect retail

[34:20] companies. This measure does not impact recreational use. This measure does not

[34:25] impact medicinal use. This measure does not affect existing companies. What a v

[34:31] a yes vote does is stop new companies from contributing to a persistent

[34:36] nuisance affecting long-standing companies with the noxious output

[34:39] associated with this industry.

[34:46] » Can you read the last couple sentences one more time though? What a I'll start

[34:50] with what a yes vote does is stop new companies from contributing to a

[34:54] persistent nuisance affecting long-standing companies with the noxious

[34:58] output associated with this industry. And I'm totally open to suggestions for

[35:03] this. >> It's my understanding that the reason

[35:06] that we did that is I mean

[35:12] saturating an area with just one business. Correct. Does that make sense?

[35:17] So you're limited on spaces and as far as the industrial park and our

[35:21] industrial park also embodies CTE program for youth and it's like in my

[35:25] mind just goes straight to that environment and then yes the smell um

[35:30] but also with not saturating one area with multiple of the same that make

[35:37] sense is there any way that we can also

[35:42] incorporate that into that understanding I don't know if that makes sense But I

[35:48] just >> Yeah,

[35:49] » I feel like >> How many words is that done?

[35:52] » I didn't count. >> It's I I stopped counting at about 60ish

[35:58] when I was like halfway through, so I figured I was fine.

[36:01] » I just want I and I don't I didn't get the job.

[36:03] » Oh, no, no, no. It's fine. I I'm hoping I'm making myself clear on that one as

[36:08] far as making sure that the because what I've gotten from people is

[36:13] like, why wouldn't we want to have that come in? And there's a very misconceive

[36:17] misinformation on here in town versus industrial park.

[36:23] People aren't connecting the dots when it comes to us being over there and

[36:27] talking solely about that area and the whole city. That's something that's also

[36:32] they're like, "Well, why wouldn't you want that tax money to come in?" Well,

[36:35] that's not what this is about. Has nothing to do with that. And there's a

[36:38] lot of people that get very confused about that because as soon as you see

[36:41] the word marijuana or hemp, you think recreational use, yes. Sales, taxes,

[36:47] yes. And if we're saying no, they're like, well, why wouldn't you want that

[36:50] to come in? Well, this isn't about that. This is about a saturation of an

[36:54] environment that is very limited to bringing in and we already

[36:59] have four of those over there. Correct. >> Those types that I think.

[37:04] » Okay. So there with that said that's even more of a reason. I just want more

[37:09] clarity for the public to understand what it means not just a few topics and

[37:15] most of it and if we can get all of that in there that'd be great.

[37:20] » I just wanted maybe if we could capture if we have the words for it room is just

[37:24] capture that we want to create a more welcoming environment

[37:27] » for new businesses and industries to come into our industrial industrial park

[37:31] with good paying jobs. you know, capture that. You know, like if you are thinking

[37:35] about moving into our industrial park and you're going and looking at a

[37:38] property and all you just smell is weed everywhere when you're going out there.

[37:42] It's not and you run a professional business. It's not some of the

[37:46] complaints that we're hearing from uh the comp companies and some of our

[37:50] largest employers in in the city are making those complaints as well. They

[37:55] they don't like the environment. And I think that other professional companies

[37:58] that have large employee bases are going to feel the same way if they're coming

[38:03] and scoping out the industrial park for an opportunity to move a business into

[38:06] here that's going to have great paying jobs. And I and I think that if we could

[38:10] just mention that that we want to have a very, you know, a welcoming environment

[38:14] in our industrial park for new businesses to be to feel comfortable

[38:18] moving into our our city. um something along those lines I think would be that

[38:24] the that the the not riskreward but the word I'm thinking

[38:30] the the uh the cost outweigh the the benefits you know we I think Sadi was

[38:37] great at giving me the number so the out of all those businesses that are down

[38:41] there because I hear it all we we don't want to get the we want the tax revenue

[38:45] from want tax it's $19,000 I mean it's not even equal to one

[38:49] property. One goodsized company coming in and what they're going to pay in

[38:53] property taxes on a 5 acre parcel with a 100,000 foot building on it and 100

[38:58] employees is going to pay four times that in property taxes alone. So, it's

[39:02] not this huge benefit to the city. $19,000 in taxes compared to our budget

[39:07] is very minimal. Uh compared to the benefits of bringing a great company

[39:12] into the industrial park for our city that for to employ people that live in

[39:17] our community so they don't have to travel outside the city for work. I we

[39:20] can kind of capture that like that. >> So just to clarify too the the ordinance

[39:26] itself covers the city of Esticada. It's not limited to the industrial park. It's

[39:31] for the city. No, it's specific to the M1 zone in the industrial park as an

[39:36] allowed use. >> Now, I when I read it, I didn't read

[39:38] that. When I actually read the the ordinance in the

[39:44] Can you clarify that? >> I I believe it's the only zone where

[39:47] it's allowed to be commercially produced and wholesale is in the M1 zone. There's

[39:53] not another zone that allows for production and wholesale.

[39:56] » Okay. And all I did, I didn't know the code that well. All I did was read what

[39:59] the ordinance said and it didn't specify >> um the M1 zone. But what I added, but

[40:06] this can be cut and paste and and whatever is what I added is um uh

[40:12] persistent nuisance affecting long-standing companies with noxious

[40:15] output associated with this industry. The current situation is preventing new

[40:19] businesses with well-paying jobs from being welcomed into our industrial park.

[40:24] And then we could, like I said, cut and paste or

[40:27] » I'd be hesitant to say preventing because it makes an assumption

[40:31] » that I mean that's a statement of fact like there's a company that didn't move

[40:35] in, right? >> And just that it something along the

[40:38] lines is that it's not the most in inhibiting

[40:40] » is a barrier. >> Yeah. Is a barrier. I Yeah, I think

[40:44] that's fair. >> Yeah.

[40:51] » I like the rest of it. I think >> I'm happy to finetune it that kind of

[40:54] stuff with that. >> It's got the spirit of what what I want.

[40:57] » I just want, >> you know, because made a point of making

[41:01] emphatic statements. This measure does not affect retail companies. This

[41:04] measure does not impact recreational use. This measure does not impact

[41:09] medicinal use and this measure does not uh affect existing companies. And you

[41:13] can make those bullet points so that the people reading it can see it. Boom,

[41:17] boom, boom, boom. I I would change the language to does not impact existing

[41:21] companies to um allows existing companies to continue to operate because

[41:27] it is impacting them in a way as far as like their ability to um sell to a new

[41:32] company and get a license. So it is impacting them. So I I would say that

[41:37] where for the existing companies portion that um allow allow allows existing

[41:43] companies to continue to operate >> allows existing

[41:48] » companies to continue to operate under their Yeah. Without getting long worried

[41:52] about Does that sound good to you guys?

[41:57] » This allows existing companies to continue to operate.

[42:00] » Are you getting enough out of this to put something together? I cannot put

[42:03] anything to >> and Melanie just question though is so

[42:07] we come up with this we come up with a statement as a council that we agree

[42:11] with everyone agrees with then we pay for the we pay for it it's not the city

[42:16] right so we're doing so >> how does that go if we need him to

[42:19] polish if John's willing to and he polishes up the statement are we allowed

[42:24] to communicate about that statement outside of the meeting

[42:28] » no >> and we won't have another meeting in

[42:30] time to do it so we need to polish it up Yeah, take your time. Polish it up

[42:34] tonight. >> It won't be hard.

[42:36] » Um, >> and then decide who wants their names on

[42:39] it. You don't have to. Not everybody has to do this, but if you want to, you may.

[42:45] » Just remember bullet points, punctuation. It doesn't count in your

[42:48] word count. So, you're okay with that. >> So, um,

[42:54] so the first paragraph is vote yes on measure.

[42:58] » Slow down one quick. I'm gonna get Word open. I'm gonna type it out while you're

[43:01] while you're reading it. And I'm And I type fast.

[43:03] » You mean you can't read this? >> Well, I just mean then we can edit it

[43:07] quickly and >> I think it'll be the quickest way to to

[43:10] get to it. >> Okay. Go ahead.

[43:14] » Vote yes on measure 3-638. Period.

[43:17] » 36. Say it again. >> 3-638.

[43:22] Period. >> Got it.

[43:23] » After years of complaints, ongoing nuisance reports, comma,

[43:28] » a little after years of complaints. Look, my com

[43:32] » after years of complaints, ongoing nuisance reports,

[43:38] and continuing lack of compliance, it is time to take back control.

[43:44] » continuing and continuing lack of compliance

[43:46] » and continuing lack of compliance. It is time to take back control of

[43:52] what's happening in our town. And these are bullet points coming up.

[43:59] This measure does not affect >> town. Period.

[44:02] » Uh, period. >> Bullet point. Uh,

[44:06] » this measure does not affect retail companies.

[44:11] » Bullet point. >> Impact retail companies. Does not affect

[44:16] retail companies. >> E or A. Uh, E.

[44:22] » It's always a tough one. >> Okay. This measure impact better. Um,

[44:27] this measure does not impact recreational use.

[44:31] That's another bullet point. Another bullet point.

[44:35] This measure does not impact medicinal use.

[44:42] Another bullet point. This allows >> Sorry. Yep.

[44:48] Good. This allows existing companies to continue to operate.

[44:57] New paragraph. What a yes vote does is stop new companies from contributing to

[45:03] a persistent nuisance

[45:08] affecting a second. Yeah. contributing

[45:14] from contributing to uh new companies from contributing to a persistent

[45:20] nuisance

[45:25] affecting long-standing companies

[45:33] with the noxious

[45:38] output. You want output or order?

[45:42] » Uh output. >> Yeah. Uh associated with this industry.

[45:51] The current situation period period

[46:00] current situation is a barrier to new businesses

[46:06] with well-paying jobs.

[46:11] from being welcomed into our industrial park

[46:16] into a professional environment. >> Yeah.

[46:20] » Environment. >> What else do you want to add? Text that

[46:24] I've got. >> Okay.

[46:28] » So, it's uh 63-638 3- 36.

[46:34] Sorry. And I agree with you. I think it should

[46:39] be noxious odor output, not noxious output because then they you people

[46:44] could take that as being the the product that they're um

[46:48] » I guess I have some sort of effect on >> noxious odor output.

[46:54] Everyone go that

[46:58] » or the output of noxious odors. >> Noxious odor output.

[47:01] » Yeah. >> Associated with this. And I think that

[47:06] your second affecting should be eight. [clears throat]

[47:11] » Think that should be the >> I always get that one.

[47:14] » Yeah, me too. >> My affection.

[47:16] » Teacher bet.

[47:20] » Vote yes. Vote yes. Three. Vote yes on. >> Vote yes on measure three dash on

[47:29] measure 3-638.

[47:32] After years of complaints, ongoing nuisance reports, and continuing lack of

[47:36] compliance, it is time to take back control of what is happening in our

[47:40] town. This measure does not affect retail companies. This measure does not

[47:44] impact recreational use. This measure does not impact medicinal use. This

[47:49] allows existing companies to continue to operate

[47:52] or this measure >> Yeah.

[47:54] » allows.

[47:58] What a yes vote uh does is stop new companies from contributing to a

[48:02] persistent nuisance affecting long-standing companies with a noxious

[48:06] odor output associated with this industry. The current situation is a

[48:10] barrier to new businesses with well-paid jobs from being welcomed into a

[48:14] professional environment in our industrial park.

[48:17] » I think that the vote yes on measure should be its own separate bullet

[48:22] separate

[48:30] polish it.

[48:33] » Our first group paper, right,

[48:42] » school flashbacks.

[48:47] » There any other key points that we want to Let me see if there's a word work

[48:51] count on here.

[49:02] words. 112 words. We got room. >> That's it. What?

[49:11] » Still got to count all all of the names that are being attached.

[49:14] » Oh, that's right. >> Yeah.

[49:16] » Yeah. We got um

[49:22] do we want to do anything specific about like how it's doing that? Like this this

[49:27] measure will um remove

[49:33] marijuana production as an allowed use in our industrial park. Something that

[49:39] kind of cl because it just says what that doesn't do. It doesn't say what

[49:41] it's doing. I just want to make sure that the

[49:45] » all the ballot measure is pretty clear. >> Yeah, that's why I didn't do that. I

[49:49] mean, I thought about >> because when this issue first came up,

[49:53] the first thing I did is is looked at Denver um because I was one of the first

[49:57] states that legalized recreational marijuana them in Washington State

[50:01] because I wanted to look and see if it was an issue uh for them, you know, this

[50:06] particular topic. And it definitely is. they've got some hardcore rules

[50:11] um pertaining to noxious odors regarding this industry. So, this isn't just us

[50:18] coming up with this. This is an ongoing pro this is a a significant

[50:23] uh real problem seen in communities across across the country. Um

[50:29] you know, if you wanted to to specify Denver or if you wanted to I don't

[50:34] remember the Washington state ones I looked up, but it's it's legit. It's

[50:37] totally legit and and those communities really came down hard on it.

[50:44] » If you're going to specify it to this does,

[50:49] then I would move the uh allow existing to go underneath of that

[50:54] » as one of the higher points. >> That's logic

[50:57] » just in just in order of operation of that. So that it's very very clear in

[51:04] the positive column that it does allow existing businesses to get to.

[51:10] » Yeah. I don't think we need to be any more

[51:14] wordy than that than what it is because people just read it quickly and

[51:18] understand you say too much they might start

[51:22] questioning >> too much.

[51:29] One press

[51:32] I was going with what you just said there. Yeah, you're right.

[51:44] » Yes. Let's hear it again. >> And then I ran it through Google too for

[51:49] the AI mode. It's got a couple different, you know, versions.

[51:54] » Well, yes. on measure 3-638. After years of complaints, ongoing

[51:58] nuisance reports, and continuing lack of compliance, it is time to take back

[52:02] control if of what is happening in our town. This measure does not affect

[52:07] retail companies. This measure does not impact recreational use. This measure

[52:11] does not impact medicinal use. This measure allows existing companies to

[52:15] continue to operate. What a what a yes vote does is stop new companies from

[52:20] contributing to a persistent nuisance affecting long-standing companies with

[52:24] the noxious odor output associated with this industry. The current situation is

[52:29] a barrier to new businesses with well-paid jobs from being welcomed into

[52:32] a professional environment in our industrial park.

[52:37] And then that's that's our one. And then this one says, "Vote yes on measure

[52:42] 3-638 to protect our community and support responsible local business

[52:46] growth. After years of unadressed complaints, ongoing nuisance reports and

[52:50] a persistent lack of compliance, it is time for our town to regain control.

[52:55] Measure 3-638 establishes common sense limits to stop new facilities from

[52:59] expanding a persistent odor nuisance that negatively impacts long-standing

[53:03] local companies. Our current industrial park environment is a barrier to

[53:07] attracting new professional industries that offer well-paid jobs. By voting

[53:11] yes, we pave the way for a professional business environment everyone can be

[53:15] proud of. >> I like that.

[53:18] » Yeah, I like the fact that it takes out the complaint. I just seems

[53:22] » The thing I don't like about that, I mean, it's it sounds great. So,

[53:25] » keep going. Sorry. In part, >> what what I apologize. What measure

[53:29] 3-638 does not do, affect retail companies or current commercial

[53:33] storefronts, impact recreational use or personal consumer rights, impact

[53:38] medicinal use or access for patients, force closures as existing companies are

[53:43] permitted to continue operating. What a yes vote does. A yes vote simply

[53:47] prevents new facilities from adding to the existing odor issue, ensuring our

[53:51] town remains welcoming to diverse economic growth. Vote yes on measure

[53:55] 3-638. I would take out the >> the only thing I have uh with that one

[54:00] because it does sound good is uh out of they're out of compliance.

[54:05] » Is that industry over there out of compliance right now?

[54:08] » Some of them. So >> So okay, as long as we have a basis of

[54:12] that then I'm >> Yeah.

[54:13] » Yeah. With that said,

[54:18] » where it says >> existing companies, businesses continue

[54:22] to operate >> as existing.

[54:26] » Yes. So if in compliance if they remain within compliance because then it also

[54:32] gives the Yeah, like that. >> I like that one more better.

[54:37] » The polished one. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[54:38] » Okay. >> Let me get this. Um,

[54:43] it's got the bullets and everything on there. I don't know how to do this.

[54:48] » What is that word count on the >> um

[54:51] » Oh. Um, what is the word? No sign now but still

[54:56] it's option >> one

[55:11] copy it and then bring it into

[55:20] trying to do it with my without a mouse.

[55:26] Yes. >> Thank you.

[55:31] » You're always helping me, Jerry. >> I don't care what Jonathan says about

[55:34] you. You're probably [laughter] >> Oh, man.

[55:46] » Just getting started, too. I more months of this, guys. Oh.

[55:54] It doesn't scroll up. Maybe I'm a special way.

[56:01] » I'm sure. You want to help me here? Is there a

[56:05] reason it's not? >> Okay, I'm just going to copy it all and

[56:09] then delete out what I do. [clears throat]

[56:13] » I went TDDY up there a lot. Save that. So, we have the original

[56:20] and I was in 70° temperature. Trying to get an airplane airborne.

[56:26] » That's cold. >> That is cold.

[56:32] » It's up there working.

[56:45] They got those headbolt outlets. >> Yeah, but you can't trust the network.

[56:50] » I'm taking out the word diverse and just putting robot robust economic growth.

[56:54] » You guys want to hear it one more time? Are we finalized?

[57:10] 163 words. >> Wow.

[57:12] » Perfect. Plenty of room for signature. Space that

[57:16] out.

[57:21] » Little white space formatting here. >> Well, they have a particular layout too

[57:26] that they'll

[57:30] » show.

[57:36] Question is how long?

[57:41] We have the ability to print this. Do we have to sign this?

[57:45] » We don't sign it. >> No, we just have to submit it.

[57:48] » Yeah, it goes on a form. There's a particular form.

[57:51] » All right, I'm going to read it one last time and then I won't change and make

[57:54] any changes after that and then I'll just we'll add people's names to it.

[57:58] Anyone that wants to be on it. Vote yes on measure 3-638 to protect our

[58:03] community and support responsible local business growth. After years of

[58:07] unadressed complaints, ongoing nuisance reports, and a persistent lack of

[58:10] compliance, it is time for our town to regain control. Measure 3-638

[58:15] establishes common sense limits to stop new facilities from expanding a

[58:19] persistent odor nuisance that negatively impacts long-standing local companies.

[58:23] Our current industrial park environment is a barrier to attracting new

[58:27] professional industries that offer well-paid jobs. By voting yes, we pave

[58:31] the way for a professional business environment everyone can be proud of.

[58:34] What measure 3-638 does not do, affect retail companies or

[58:39] current commercial storefronts, impact recreational use or personal consumer

[58:44] rights, impact medicinal use [clears throat] or access for patients,

[58:47] force closures as existing companies are permitted to continue operating. What a

[58:52] yes vote does. A yes vote simply prevents new facilities from adding to

[58:57] the existing odor issue, ensuring our town remains welcoming to robust

[59:02] economic growth. Vote yes on measure 3-638.

[59:07] » It say

[59:18] I'm going to email this everyone real quick.

[59:22] group.

[59:37] Here is the agreed statement.

[59:42] We're are we okay to do that? Um >> I think you are since you're

[59:47] » all together. >> Yeah. Just don't nobody respond. Don't

[59:49] discuss it anymore. We're all you're discussing it here. Community can hear

[59:53] that. >> What you just read should be what they

[59:57] see when it comes out the

[1:00:12] » D. Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, you did a

[1:00:16] great job. Copy too.

[1:00:20] » Right. >> All right.

[1:00:24] » Moving along. We are at mayor and council reports and comments. I know I

[1:00:29] don't think any of you have had groups since we talked the other day, so I'm

[1:00:33] not going to ask you for a report on that. You want to make a couple comments

[1:00:36] uh before we go? Uh I guess the only comments I've got to say is I really uh

[1:00:43] am noticing that the city staff is doing a phenomenal job. Uh and they show that

[1:00:49] they can be trusted. Uh also uh I am just glad that we got this measure

[1:00:56] argument done and that uh we can proceed as as a city council together with this.

[1:01:03] So,

[1:01:06] » so I had one comment um and that is uh the last meeting we had the the code

[1:01:12] changes uh state laws and and all that stuff. We had that discussion. I think

[1:01:16] that was the last meeting and I had a question

[1:01:20] um for Melanie and Allen regarding the uh uh subdivision proposal that was up

[1:01:28] the hill on fourth and the original uh plans had been approved. Uh but then the

[1:01:35] the developer came back and wanted to increase the number of homes and so we

[1:01:39] had a very long discussion uh regarding um basically the safety uh from a slide

[1:01:46] standpoint and that sort of thing. Uh very long discussion, very robust

[1:01:51] discussion and I as I recall we did approve that uh with uh conditions

[1:01:57] meaning additional um test holes or something like that. Um, and so my

[1:02:02] question to Melanie and to Allan was, um, if that scenario came again, would

[1:02:08] we actually cease that or would it be approved by staff and had not come to

[1:02:14] um, and correct my wording if I'm I'm wording this wrong, but the answer is

[1:02:18] no. Um, we wouldn't see it with the way the code with the way the state law is

[1:02:23] now um, and the way the codes are now. uh that that scenario would not um

[1:02:30] likely um come back to us. Um, and I just thought because I distinctly

[1:02:36] remember the comment from the person in in the audience that mentioned one that

[1:02:42] he'd never seen a discussion like that before from the city council and two how

[1:02:47] a uh subdivision I think across the street or very close to that location

[1:02:53] that we were talking about had had a slide not long um after it had been

[1:02:58] approved. And so I think that's a uh uh an illustration of what you're missing

[1:03:05] uh when you uh exclude city council from from dealing with local matters. Um so

[1:03:12] that's my comment with that. Otherwise, thank you very much for um getting

[1:03:16] everything put together uh in such a quick manner. Uh thank you very much for

[1:03:21] the discussion um everyone's point of views and we uh we came to a an

[1:03:27] excellent consensus I think and um thank you all who whoever were watching um and

[1:03:35] that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:03:39] » Yeah, thank you again. Yes, thank you to city staff and um always being prompt

[1:03:44] with uh even over the weekend sometimes we come up with questions and answer

[1:03:49] them on your days off. Thank you. I appreciate that. That goes often

[1:03:53] not spoken about. Um and I appreciate that because timing is of the essence.

[1:03:58] And with that said, um I looked back on a handful of our committee's uh meetings

[1:04:05] this last week or so and I want to say thank you to chief um and the safety

[1:04:11] committee um and traffic committee. There was a lot of information that you

[1:04:15] had divulged and I want to ask people at home who are watching or Tom [laughter]

[1:04:23] here in the audience um it's worth watching. Um sometimes watching those

[1:04:26] videos makes it very um uh clear on what we might be missing and

[1:04:34] where we need to fill in the gaps as far as lifting each other up and being there

[1:04:38] for one another in um the committees outside of our right here. And that

[1:04:43] being said, I noticed that the economic and development team, I call them team

[1:04:47] because they are um they were discussing whether or not they should dismantle and

[1:04:52] I was like, "No, please don't do that." Because if anything, if you guys have

[1:04:58] noticed that the state itself didn't really even have that department put

[1:05:02] together until like this year, they decided that they were actually going to

[1:05:06] have that. And I thought that was very strange that we didn't have one for the

[1:05:10] state. and I found that out through the LOC. Um, but yeah, I would just like to

[1:05:15] reach out to them and say thank you. Keep it up. Don't don't we have a lot

[1:05:20] more development to go. So, I think having them is very vital. And I'd like

[1:05:24] to see that we have maybe some more joint sessions

[1:05:28] um more often, especially when they have a shift in how many people they have on

[1:05:34] their committee. So, but yeah,

[1:05:39] » I just want to thank everyone for being available on short notice um for coming

[1:05:43] in for the meeting. I think that was a good meeting. Um and I just wanted to,

[1:05:47] you know, I I too see hear about and see some of the stuff that's going online

[1:05:51] about people have a lot of input. It was really unfortunate that, you know, with

[1:05:56] all the people with there a lot of people with a lot of great ideas. I

[1:05:59] would like to have seen more people get involved in the city council elections

[1:06:04] as it is right now. We were lucky to fill the three spots that are that are

[1:06:09] up for um a vote. Um so I just wish that some of those people that have the

[1:06:14] solutions and ideas would be willing to invest the time to participate in the

[1:06:18] process rather than just complaining about it online. Take the time out of

[1:06:22] your day. Um make the sacrifice. make the sacrifice to have your name blasted

[1:06:28] on Facebook and and people talk bad about you all over town. Um, and then

[1:06:33] come and step up and and fill the role. Don't just spend all your time

[1:06:36] complaining online, but come up with some solutions and sacrifice a little

[1:06:40] bit of your time to uh be part of the solution that you want to see happen in

[1:06:43] the city. And if you're not willing to do that, then maybe spend a little less

[1:06:46] time criticizing people. >> Well said. Um it's pretty evident at

[1:06:54] this point that um I'm not running again for council. Um this

[1:07:00] it was a long decision a decision that took a long time to make. Um but I have

[1:07:05] to do what's best for me, my health, and my family. Um this is my eighth year on

[1:07:10] council and the last couple of years have been really good. So I appreciate

[1:07:15] that. Um I I always appreciate our city staff and the work that they put in. You

[1:07:19] guys are amazing. Um but yeah, um I'm I'm a little

[1:07:25] disappointed in the um the turnout of potential council people, you know, to

[1:07:32] be put in the to run for this office. I'm a little disappointed in the in the

[1:07:36] turnout, but I am glad that we at least have enough people to fill all the

[1:07:40] seats. Um and look forward to an exciting mayoral race.

[1:07:46] So, um, thank you all for your time and and everything. And I'm not going to be,

[1:07:52] uh, have short- timerrs disease. I'm going to be in it all the way through.

[1:07:56] And hopefully, you know, in a year, if you guys see my name on an application

[1:08:00] for a city committee or commission, you don't hold my time up here against me.

[1:08:06] But appreciate you all for your time.

[1:08:14] » I apologize for having to leave. I sneezed and it made my stomach cramp and

[1:08:17] it was bad. I wasn't sure what was going to happen with that. So, I apologize for

[1:08:21] walking out, but thanks for your work on that. I thought the ballot measure

[1:08:24] turned out really well and it was really cool to watch uh this team collaborate,

[1:08:28] I thought, too, and just go back and forth and see each of your guys'

[1:08:32] creative plays. It's easy to be somebody that's always got something to say or

[1:08:36] have an opinion, but it's really cool to see other people come to life and

[1:08:40] express their opinions and share their standpoint. So, I appreciate each of you

[1:08:43] guys for working through that uh as we try to get this right and be very

[1:08:48] specific in who we are impacting and what our desired intent with this

[1:08:52] measure is versus speculation. So, I thought that was cool. And then I'm

[1:08:58] going to harp on the example thing again. I'm going to stand on this. I'm

[1:09:01] not over the data that we got. I thought that was absolutely atrocious to hear

[1:09:05] that sixth graders are participating. And to me, I just look in the mirror.

[1:09:10] That's just where I start. And I think it's our example. It's what we're seeing

[1:09:13] at home. It's what we're doing when we're walking around, where our head is,

[1:09:17] what we're consuming and watching. It's all these little things adding up. So,

[1:09:21] I'm just going to encourage people now more than ever to live and be the change

[1:09:27] or the example that you want to see in the world. Like, sincerely,

[1:09:32] the data shows that they're watching. It matters. What you do matters for a

[1:09:37] career. Everything you do, your story, everything you are, it matters now more

[1:09:40] than everything. And I want that to be very important to this community,

[1:09:44] unrelated to any race. It's more important right now than ever that as an

[1:09:48] individual, you express your right to vote. You express your right to

[1:09:52] communicate what you dislike, what you do like, and just to be present, be

[1:09:57] active, be engaged, and take accountability for yourself and those

[1:10:01] around you and this community because it's worth fighting for. It really is.

[1:10:05] So are the people around you. So that's what I want to say about that. And then

[1:10:09] thank you to the staff for your hard work. And Chief Tenway, I want to say

[1:10:12] thank you to you. I heard multiple people I want to just say this. I heard

[1:10:17] multiple people tell me that they heard from you directly about this fire and

[1:10:21] this situation that you've been overly involved and super communicative.

[1:10:25] Keeping Melanie in the loop. Melanie, you responded with the fires. They got

[1:10:29] started really fast and notification. It's super important to me that we point

[1:10:34] out the things, especially my standpoint. I'm always harping on what's

[1:10:38] not happening. Thank you for addressing that and making sure that that was

[1:10:42] something that was communicated. I know that I got a text message. I'm sure all

[1:10:45] of you did as well. So, I like to see the improvements that this team has made

[1:10:50] and this has been under your leadership. Make no doubt about that. There's no

[1:10:54] mistake there. and my uh my campaign has not from a disrespectful place and I

[1:11:00] embrace you and say that I appreciate everything you've done for this

[1:11:02] community and that's my stance and you won't see anything else come from me on

[1:11:06] that front. >> Okay.

[1:11:09] Well, they've all said great things. Um these are good counselors. They've done

[1:11:14] great jobs. I'll miss you, Jerry. I don't have anybody to spar with now.

[1:11:18] You're gone. Um >> still got a few months with

[1:11:22] » That's right. That's right. But uh no, you you've all done great things. Staff

[1:11:27] has done wonderful things. Chief, you've been wonderful. I see you all over the

[1:11:31] place. And he's right. The community is, you know, reaching out in leaps and

[1:11:36] bounds to tell me how wonderful you are. That's a good sign. Um

[1:11:41] but that said, I'm also sorry for being late tonight. I forgot five o'clock

[1:11:45] instead of six o'clock. Um but I want to thank the press for stepping in and

[1:11:50] making it happen. Did a great job. And that said, I'm going to adjourn this

[1:11:54] meeting. Your adjourn

August 24, 2026 Estacada City Council Meeting

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