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>> Where's my agenda?
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» [snorts]
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» 1 minute. You ready? Okay.
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Okay, we'll call this meeting to order.
Faribault City Council meeting.
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Time is 6:30. Welcome to everyone in
attendance and those watching. I
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appreciate everyone being here.
It's summer time, so
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Um,
we will begin
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this meeting with an opening prayer by
David Jay and Katie Williams will lead
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us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
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» Our Father in heaven, as we assemble
here this evening in this City Council
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meeting, we give thee thanks for the
land we live in and the freedoms that
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allow us to to even meet this way and to
conduct the affairs of our city.
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As we do so, we ask thy blessing upon
us,
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upon our deliberations, and our council,
and our efforts, that all may lend
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itself
to good and positive outcomes,
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and that we may do what we do in harmony
with one another.
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In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
>> Amen.
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» Please rise and repeat after me.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
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» Okay, we
um
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uh well, as we start in this meeting, um
council member uh Tim Shoop has asked
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for just a few
a few seconds to address uh address us.
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So, Tim, I'll turn some time to you.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh
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2 weeks ago in our last meeting, I made
a comment with regards to
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the uh data that we have received in our
packet.
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And uh I just feel like I may have um
overstepped my bounds a little bit. I
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didn't mean to be derogatory.
I didn't mean to uh offend anyone, in
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particular the mayor or any of the city
staff. I think you guys do a great job,
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and I just did uh I wanted to apologize
if there was any offense taken.
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And uh I understand that uh a quick
phone call and I could have gotten the
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answers I needed. So,
again, I apologize for any discomfort I
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may have caused anyone.
Thank you.
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» Uh Tim, thank you. I
I had mentioned to him earlier he did
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not need to say anything. No offense was
taken.
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Um just trying to do our jobs and make
sure we have the right information, but
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uh thanks, Tim. Appreciate your
your your uh
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your comments there, and just know we
love you. Appreciate all you do.
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Um
on the agenda now is public comments.
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We'll now open the meeting for public
comments at this time. If there's any in
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the
uh with us who would like to step
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forward.
Comments? Public comments from anybody?
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Okay.
>> See none.
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» See none, we'll move forward on the
agenda to hear report hear a report from
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the planning commission from
uh Lou Best.
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» We held no regular planning commission
meeting. We had devoted our time to
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uh a joint work session as most of you
are aware with the city council.
[4:15]
In my view, I thought it was a very
productive work session in which we were
[4:18]
discussing the L Advantage development.
Um
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new proposal was presented to us uh that
added some additional insight from what
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we've seen in the past. It included an
elimination of townhouses
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and adding more patio homes.
Uh the number of units was reduced to
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386.
They also added a 2-acre city park
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nestled right in the middle of where the
the town home or patio homes will be.
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Uh we discussed several items. We
discussed traffic called calming
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measures and there was general good
consensus that a four-way stop on 1300
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North would be very appropriate. It
would help a great deal to to control
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the traffic.
Uh we also discussed adding a parking
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area for
the naturescape playground area just off
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1025 North. Seemed to be good agreement
on that.
[5:13]
Uh we wanted to make sure that the
configuration of the lots under the
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power line conformed with all
requirements by uh Rocky Mountain Power.
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Um we also discussed setback
requirements for lots of various sizes.
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And I think we can come up with a plan
where we can accommodate the smaller
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high-density lots as well as retain
setbacks are very similar to what we
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have right now in R-115.
By far the greatest concern and the most
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of the discussion focused on traffic
on 1300 North.
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Um
and what that would pop problem that
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would occur if we did not have a traffic
light on that street.
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The options ranged from everything from
don't allow the development until a
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traffic light is installed to
allow the traffic light allow the
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development to occur and hope and pray
that a traffic light will be installed.
[6:11]
And there were some intermediate
suggestions as well. Uh
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the mayor may comment on that, but we
left it at there's going to be
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additional dialogue with UDot to see if
we can come to some kind of a
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an arrangement or some
hint as to what we could anticipate in
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the future so that we can proceed with
our decision on this development.
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Um
>> Can I ask you something on that one?
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» Yes.
>> Um can we require to have them perform a
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traffic circulation study so we have an
accurate idea of what those counts will
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be?
>> That was brought up. Can somebody with a
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better memory than me talk comment on
where we ended up with that?
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» Yeah,
well you were there too. I can comment,
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but go ahead.
>> Well,
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they did say they would approach UDot
about this right from the onset
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uh and consider
the
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uh
density of this development
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also in concert with Legends
that those two are going to funnel into
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that same
uh
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roadway
and so the last I understand was
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he was going to make some
uh overtures to UDot
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and see at least initially you know put
a toe in the water and see what things
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feel like. There wasn't an exact
commitment to
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uh at this point traffic study because
there isn't any traffic.
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» But there
but there's not and then they can model
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and estimate what that traffic would
what that demand would be.
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» So, I'm not sure how far he was going
>> No, and I and I agree with you. I think
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where we left it is that we'll see if
UDot will do a traffic study. I don't
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believe we discussed the possibility of
us
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» Correct.
>> And I don't think I don't think UDot or
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us should do the traffic study. It
should be on the developer to provide
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that to us.
>> So,
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» And we can't I don't think in good faith
create a traffic problem from a
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development and then expect UDot to
solve it with a light.
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» And I think there was general consensus
that UDot is not going to be necessarily
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inclined to do that until they see some
level of urgency that doesn't exist.
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» Maybe I can mention the
um
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comments that were made by legal. Liam
was with us in that meeting.
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Uh becomes very hard to
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umbrella or prevent a developer from
coming in to develop property
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on
what UDot may or may not agree to do
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with their road. Even though we as a
city want it, we feel like it's needed,
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we feel like the developments of Legends
and and this new one is certainly going
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to feed into that.
Uh at the end of the day, UDot controls
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that
no matter what the developer requests or
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ask. And the developer said in that
meeting
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if this development is conditioned on
UDot's approval of a light at that
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intersection, they can't do that because
their financing will never approve it.
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» Well, that's why I think we I think that
the requirement of a traffic circulation
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study
should be
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it in the development agreement because
then right now we're just dealing in
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abstracts. We don't know. We don't know
where they're where it's going to push
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traffic to.
>> We don't know. Yeah.
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» And we don't know maybe it won't be an
issue, but it
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» Well, you got a fire station right
there, too, and that's going to be an
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issue.
>> And so I think I think
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if we could have a traffic study, that
would answer a lot of those
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» I would have to say this probably
consumed 50% of our meeting.
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» It did.
>> So I I I'm sorry.
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» And and they are getting ready to submit
the development agreement to come
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forward into the planning commission.
And these are good things to make sure
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that maybe we ask for.
>> And I really I missed it. So I I'm
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sorry.
>> thing that Liam did suggest, you know,
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in this range of possibilities
the developer wasn't excited about this
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one was that in the development
agreement we could allow them to begin
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development
and but only allow a certain amount of
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that development to occur before a
traffic light was put in.
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» So it becomes phase contained.
>> So and we've got that option. He
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I think his response was that that won't
fly with us, you know, we can't do that,
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but but we we could put that language,
protective language, in our development
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agreement if we choose.
>> I might want to mention
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the attitude I received
>> [clears throat]
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» myself from the developer was that he
was willing to do
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as much as he could
to encourage UDOT and
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um in obtaining proper
traffic flow and lights and whatever the
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case may be.
Um he wasn't objective to go on after
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that.
Uh he just was unsure about his
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financing if it became an ultimatum.
>> Yeah. So
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» I think I think there's some good
cooperation there.
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» No, and I agree with you. I I do think
we need to scrutinize very seriously the
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language in the development agreement
relative to this, though.
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Because that's our protection. I would
hate to see us open
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a monster Pandora's box traffic issue.
>> going to see it again before we do, so
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you know what to take back to the
planning commission regarding this.
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All right. You know what
>> We're all going to scrutinize that
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development agreement.
>> All right. You're going to see it first.
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» I would echo what Tim said though, this
this developer is for everyone that's
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wondering where this is at. This is the
Slater property. It's the one that is
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just to the south
west of Legends.
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Butts up next to the sewer plant in
Marion Slaterville. But this developer
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has been working with us what Lou for
about 9 months?
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» Seems like forever.
>> 6 months smart more more than 6 months.
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» And I will have to say he's been very
congenial, very cooperative.
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He's He's got a think about his bottom
line. That's his area. We've got to
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think about Far West City.
And
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» And it maybe it should be noted, I mean
all the requests that the work through
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the working sessions we've had, he's
gone from 528
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units to now 386.
Like Lou mentioned, he's removed all the
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town homes. I mean he's he's really done
a lot to do what we've asked him to do,
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so
>> Yeah, I think bottom line I'd just like
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to see us request them to provide us
with a traffic circulation study.
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» And include that as part of our
our requirement.
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» I like that. Yeah, it makes a lot of
sense.
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» That's good.
>> Okay, the only other thing we talked
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about ground color options in the
land naturescape playground area. And
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also the the installation of that that
parking area.
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I'll have to say my general observation
was that
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it was a very good productive meeting.
And I think that we reached general
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consensus on almost every issue we
could. We couldn't reach general
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consensus on the issue with the traffic
light because that's beyond our control
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right now.
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» Yeah.
>> Great summary Lou. Thank you.
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» I do have one thing for the planning
commission and for the city council.
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This came from Kevin Hall, sewer
district.
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In our development agreement, are we
going to put in
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uh
disclosure about the potential for
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noxious smells coming from the sewer
plant?
[13:45]
And before warn, do a due diligence. So,
I just want to put that back into
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people's minds cuz I took a phone call
from Kevin this week.
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» And and I think the developer was open
to that.
[13:55]
» Okay.
>> Yeah. But to your point though, let's
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put that language in the development
agreement.
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» Correct.
>> he's he's said all along that he'll do
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that. Let's make sure it's stated in the
development agreement.
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» And Kevin just has that concern.
>> Yeah.
[14:07]
» Saves us from complaints, resident
complaints down the road.
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» Or reduce the level.
>> Yeah.
[14:16]
» Any questions with that? Good for you?
Okay.
[14:18]
» Thank you, Lou. Appreciate it.
[14:24]
» Um okay.
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We are now Where are we? Consider
Consider approval of minutes dated June
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4th, 2026.
Um any questions with those?
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» I just let Brianna know I was really I
was reading through those and I really
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appreciated her level of detail.
>> She did a good job. I I noticed that as
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well.
Maybe we'll make a note and let her know
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that.
>> Send her an email but if everybody else
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is connected to that, it's really nice.
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» Thanks for pointing that out, Katie.
>> I'll move to approve minutes dated June
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4th, 2026.
>> I'll second.
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» Okay, motion by Jason and a second by
Katie. All in favor, say I.
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» I.
>> Okay, motion carries there.
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I will now entertain a motion to approve
the bills dated June 3rd, 2026.
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» 17th.
>> Oh, did I mess that up?
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June's
Yes, June 17th.
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» I did have a question
on one of the entries there.
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Uh
It was Where did it go?
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» Let me get my bills. I had them all
initialed
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somewhere.
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» It was
S W A V L L C.
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» Dang it, I left it on my desk.
>> Um
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This one right here, city office and rec
center 895.
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» Um
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When that That came up, Angie, do you
remember? I think that was something to
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do with the cleaning. They did something
to
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We can follow up on that. I That That's
not the paint one, right?
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» No, no, that's Brush Brothers.
>> Yeah, that's the where they repainted.
[16:24]
So, I'm not sure what that is.
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Do we want to
We can call that out and ask them.
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» Yeah, I'm sure it's
I mean, I'm not concerned about it. I
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just just I don't have a lot to go on by
the description.
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» I don't have my notes here, either.
[16:41]
Left the bills on my desk.
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You want me to go grab them? You want me
to go get them?
[16:49]
You want to go grab them? That It should
be right on my desk.
[16:54]
Want to come back to that item?
>> Yeah, we can come back to it.
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» Let's come back to the bills.
Um let's move forward so we're not
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holding up the meeting.
Consideration of a temporary business
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license from Blue Dragon Fireworks.
Um Jessica Lindhorf, is Jessica here?
[17:14]
You Are you Are you with them?
Read through your temporary business
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license for a fireworks stand.
Right?
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» Yeah, even more so it's one of your
local citizens that has a business that
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sells the the sheds and he just called
up and said, "Hey, if I supply the shed
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and the the manpower and everything,
would you supply me the fireworks?" So,
[17:36]
it's that but it's a little bit more cuz
some of your own people asked him to to
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do it, so.
Yeah, Olympus Fireworks was our original
[17:44]
name. Blue Dragon Fireworks is the
current name. You might know Olympus, I
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don't know. We've been around for a
while.
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» Have you been I'm just curious. Is there
Have you heard of any state restrictions
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or anything coming out? No?
>> I think I can kind of talk to that.
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» If you can.
Go ahead.
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» I attended the the Weber County
Emergency Manager's meeting last night
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and I asked that question specifically,
what about fireworks stands and
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fireworks sales? They said there will be
no restrictions on sales. It's up to the
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individuals that purchase to be prudent
individuals. So, there's nothing that's
[18:18]
going to hinder your license, nothing
that the
[18:21]
the governor has proclaimed thus far.
>> Yeah, I think with the 250-year birthday
[18:26]
of America, I think everybody's maybe a
little bit more patience. I'm hoping.
[18:31]
Uh I talked to Layton City and um
I think he attended the same meeting and
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he said that you know, we're just
cautious of the foothills and they have
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restrictions on the foothills and areas
and I I totally agree with that. So, I'm
[18:43]
» Well, they they expressed the caution
across our entire region but Chief
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Cooper said there will be no
restrictions for sale.
[18:50]
» Perfect.
>> Excellent.
[18:54]
» Now, I appreciate you getting your ducks
in a row and
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» Yeah, it's
>> coming in for the temporary license.
[18:58]
» It was a little I mean, we usually do
this sooner but that request by him came
[19:03]
like very last minute, so I said I will
do whatever I can and I appreciate you
[19:07]
as a council letting us come tonight and
have this meeting, so thank you.
[19:12]
» I move we approve the business license
for Blue Dragon Fireworks.
[19:17]
» I'll second.
>> Okay, motion by Jason, second by who was
[19:21]
the second?
>> I second it.
[19:23]
» Second by Tim. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[19:27]
» Okay.
>> I had a um question unrelated to your
[19:30]
fireworks stand, but I saw they were
setting up one on the corner where
[19:33]
Country Corner used to be.
>> Mhm.
[19:35]
» Where they had the
the guy with the figurines came in and
[19:39]
had the Have they reached out for a
temporary business license?
[19:42]
» I We have not, no.
>> It's on me.
[19:45]
» It's on me. We go shut them down?
>> I don't know. What do we do? I don't
[19:49]
know what the process is.
>> Being on that side sometimes, obviously,
[19:52]
I would love it as competition, but no,
I mean anything you do to be lenient to
[19:55]
it or it's it's crazy time of year and
we all are losing our minds.
[19:59]
» It's been on that corner every year, I
think.
[20:00]
» Yeah. I actually had that corner
originally and then I sold my business
[20:05]
to somebody local and they have been
running it for years, but I I was the
[20:10]
original person on that corner. And
maybe one day I'll be back. We'll see.
[20:14]
So.
Anything else?
[20:16]
» Nope, thank you.
>> Anytime. Thank you.
[20:18]
» Thanks for being in our city to do that.
[20:25]
» Okay.
>> Yep.
[20:27]
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for Thanks for being here.
[20:30]
» Don't burn us down.
[20:35]
» Um well, since that, maybe I'll take a
second.
[20:39]
We had a neighbor over a resident on Far
West Drive
[20:45]
that's is a little concerned with
um potential
[20:50]
fireworks being shot off by residents
in that area that could potentially
[20:57]
impact
or
[21:00]
catch hay on fire.
Um
[21:05]
I
I mean, I don't
[21:08]
There's nothing for I mean, short of the
city I mean, the city really doesn't
[21:12]
have the ability to come in and shut
that down legally.
[21:17]
So,
I just sympathized with the resident and
[21:21]
said, "I know, you know, well, we can
ask the we can ask the sheriff to patrol
[21:25]
to make sure no illegal fireworks are
being shot off, but then I looked at the
[21:30]
ordinance for what it legal is now in
Utah." And they're shooting 150 ft in
[21:34]
the air.
So, I don't know. Do Do we do anything
[21:37]
about Do we say anything? Is there
anything to do there?
[21:40]
» I think the only thing that
>> Use
[21:43]
the neighborhood as the enforcement and
just use
[21:48]
common sense. Tell them just be careful.
>> Be careful. Be attentive.
[21:50]
» Be attentive if something sparks up.
>> And what was kind of recommended was
[21:54]
have hoses and/or sprinklers available
if you're going to set them off so you
[21:58]
can put them out if something happens or
at least minimize the burn until the
[22:02]
fire department can arrive, but do not
fight fire.
[22:05]
» But, we don't have any permission to go
in and tell neighbors they can't light
[22:09]
off fireworks.
>> Fire The fire department doesn't either.
[22:12]
» Nor would
>> Not at this point.
[22:14]
» think we would want to do that.
>> No.
[22:16]
» Yeah, I'm looking at her. I don't think
we really have
[22:20]
um any regulations or code related to
fireworks either just that they can't
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discharge them in a park.
So,
[22:30]
I mean, as long I I I think the only
thing that would be enforceable would be
[22:33]
the the quiet, you know, the
noise ordinance if they're doing them at
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after hours.
>> That would be all, right? Okay.
[22:44]
» That wouldn't be
>> That's kind of what I figured.
[22:45]
» That wouldn't be a bad thing to remind
people of cuz I think that gets
[22:49]
especially as it gets later in the
evening.
[22:52]
» Yeah.
>> Uh but we also have those fire buckets
[22:54]
that were provided for us, which
>> Hey, good time to bring that up.
[22:58]
» That's going to be a slightly different
problem.
[23:00]
» Talk in louder and tell everybody about
the buckets.
[23:03]
Can can you hear me now?
We have the free buckets that were
[23:07]
provided was it by the fire department?
They brought in it's a 5-gallon bucket.
[23:12]
If nothing else, it's a free 5-gallon
bucket. But the idea is it's a place to
[23:16]
put your fireworks.
You fill it with water, put your used
[23:19]
fireworks in there to to cool them down
and drench them. So should help reduce
[23:25]
at least ground fire.
>> They don't go in trash cans.
[23:28]
» But
But there's those for free and then also
[23:31]
just you know, remember be respectful.
>> Good good reminder.
[23:36]
Let's go back up to the bills because I
don't or I'm going to forget that. So on
[23:42]
my sheet
the you're talking about Swab LLC for
[23:48]
895.
This is the monthly cost for our
[23:52]
janitors that provide our twice weekly
cleaning to the rec center and city
[23:57]
hall.
>> Great. Thank you so for doing that.
[23:59]
» Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion that we pay the
[24:02]
bills.
>> I'll second the motion.
[24:03]
» Okay, motion by Katie a second by Bob.
All All in favor say I.
[24:09]
» I.
>> Any opposed?
[24:12]
Okay, bills have been approved.
Next item there consideration of public
[24:17]
works facility
phase three that's currently ongoing.
[24:22]
You've probably noticed.
This is a change order. So
[24:26]
just so everyone
watching and and everyone that's here
[24:30]
knows public
our public works building contract a
[24:35]
change order came in
due to the need to install and upgrade a
[24:39]
new primary
power system that requires a 600 amp
[24:43]
service on site. This
This change order included the
[24:47]
enclosure, the installation and the
connection. We asked for two bids just
[24:52]
to ensure that we were in line. This was
the cheaper of the two.
[24:57]
This is regarding the email that was
sent out about a month ago to the
[25:01]
council.
Just so we didn't have to slow down any
[25:05]
work, we asked for approval to move
forward.
[25:08]
It was approved unanimously. So this is
just ratifying that approval.
[25:13]
For the record, the amount of the change
order was 28,500
[25:17]
dollars with the potential of
10 to 15,000 from Rocky Mountain Power
[25:23]
once they connect.
I get that right, Cody?
[25:29]
Okay. Any questions?
>> No.
[25:32]
I'll motion that
we ratify and approve the public works
[25:37]
facility phase three change order.
>> I'll second the motion.
[25:41]
» Okay, a motion by Bob and a second by
Dave. All in favor say I.
[25:47]
Any opposed?
Okay. Thank you.
[25:50]
» [clears throat]
[25:53]
» Okay.
[25:56]
Now, this is where Cody is earning his
paycheck this month.
[26:01]
We
will now discuss adjustments to the 2025
[26:06]
26 budget.
Concerning the adjustments for the new
[26:10]
fiscal year, and Cody will come up and
explain that to us. Thanks, Cody, for
[26:15]
being here.
>> Oh yeah, you bet. So just as you look at
[26:18]
the agendas, we'll do a presentation and
discussion, then you'll hold the public
[26:21]
hearing, and then you'll make a motion
on these next several items.
[26:25]
So this one is page five through seven
of the packet, and it's just some
[26:29]
cleanup journal entries that we cleanup
budget adjustments that we needed to
[26:33]
make. So you can see we're increasing
the budget for sales tax and grants.
[26:37]
Some of that grants is we're just coding
some of that storm water stuff currently
[26:41]
into
the street, and so we'll have to
[26:44]
reconcile that at the end of the year,
but I just want to make sure we had a
[26:47]
little bit of a budget there in case it
needed to stay there. And then we had
[26:51]
never formally adopted the
transportation utility fee
[26:54]
Um fund budget. So it's adopting that
budget. And then if you remember when we
[26:59]
purchased the plow truck, some of those
implements rolled over to this fiscal
[27:03]
year rather than being bought in last
fiscal year. And so it's just an a
[27:06]
$100,000 adjustment for that. So it's
just a few clean-up little areas.
[27:11]
I'm happy to answer any questions you
may have.
[27:15]
» Okay. Thank you, Cody. We'll now move to
enter into a public hearing
[27:21]
uh to discuss these adjustments to the
budget. Any We need a motion.
[27:26]
» I move we move I move we enter a public
hearing to discuss adjustments to the
[27:31]
2025-2026 budget.
>> Okay. Motion by Katie and a second by
[27:35]
Jason. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[27:38]
» Any opposed?
Motion carries. We're now enter into a
[27:41]
public hearing. So if you'd like to
provide any comments regarding these
[27:45]
adjustments to our current 25-26
uh budget year budget,
[27:53]
feel free to come up
entertain those.
[27:57]
Okay. Seeing no comments,
um I will entertain a motion now to
[28:00]
close the public hearing.
>> I move we close the public hearing.
[28:04]
» Second.
>> Okay. Motion by Jason and a second by
[28:07]
David. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[28:11]
» Okay.
Public hearing is now closed for that.
[28:15]
Um I will now entertain a motion to
approve the adjustments to the 2025-2026
[28:21]
budget.
>> So moved.
[28:24]
» I'll second.
>> Motion by Tim and a second by Katie to
[28:27]
approve. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[28:29]
» Any opposed?
>> Do we need a roll call for that button?
[28:33]
» Uh we probably should, huh, on money.
Okay. Roll call, Bob.
[28:37]
» I.
>> Dave.
[28:38]
» I.
>> Katie.
[28:39]
» I.
>> Jason.
[28:40]
» I.
>> And Tim.
[28:41]
» I.
>> Okay. Motion passes.
[28:45]
Approval Next item there is
consideration to approve an ordinance
[28:49]
enacting the compensation increases for
specific city officers.
[28:54]
Cody is here to explain the purpose of
this and why.
[29:00]
» Okay, thank you council and thank you
mayor. So, this is page
[29:04]
8 through 12 of the packet. So, if you
remember, I believe it was last year, it
[29:08]
might have been 2 years ago, there was a
new state law that we have to present
[29:11]
the path the schedule that's on page 11
for any
[29:15]
of the
municipal officers compensation
[29:18]
increases. So, that's the large part of
this. The other part of it we're
[29:21]
approving the pay scale and if you look
at the pay scale which is on page 12 of
[29:26]
the packet, the bottom two sections,
those are the new positions
[29:30]
that mayor wanted created.
And so, those are the new positions that
[29:35]
we're proposing with the budget and the
corresponding
[29:39]
increases will take place there. And
then one other thing in the ordinance
[29:45]
if you remember that includes like the
officers and things. We've also included
[29:50]
there as part of the
>> [clears throat]
[29:52]
» compensation policy of the city, it
gives you the option as the mayor and
[29:57]
council to take the average increase as
well. And if you remember we talked
[30:00]
about that with the tentative budget,
the average increase was that 5.77%.
[30:04]
So, that's included in there as well.
So, if you guys decided not to do that,
[30:08]
then William's not here but I assume
we'd just need to
[30:12]
change approve the ordinance with the
change that we just those compensation
[30:17]
amounts remain the same that are in part
two paragraph B.
[30:21]
» I have some questions. So, and this is
just kind of me being
[30:25]
uh
knowing that I'm not always on this. As
[30:29]
a taxpayer, I would love to have more
say
[30:34]
when when my elected officials are
giving themselves raises basically.
[30:38]
Um is there any kind of provision I
realize we're going off a very
[30:42]
reasonable schedule and increase and I I
I get the accounting side of it, but
[30:46]
also the taxpayer side of it is like
I want I want to be able to have a say
[30:50]
as to when when my elected officials get
a pay increase.
[30:55]
Um
is is there anything with the state
[30:57]
ordinance that takes in takes that into
account?
[31:01]
» No.
Um and so it's just city policy that we
[31:04]
give you guys the option to take it.
They haven't taken it as far as I
[31:08]
remember since I've worked here. So it's
been pretty stagnant for like the last
[31:11]
six or seven years.
>> Okay.
[31:13]
» Um so it's really up to you guys. You
know, like there's reasons to do it,
[31:17]
there's reasons not to do it. Some
people argue the higher it is that you
[31:21]
attract you know, like more people, more
capable people. I don't know that that's
[31:25]
always true. Um but it's really up to
you guys.
[31:28]
» time that came up was 2016-2017,
somewhere right in there.
[31:33]
» Yeah.
>> Uh
[31:35]
and that was a recommendation from the
planning commission at that time.
[31:38]
Uh
And there was a
[31:42]
» So while he's busy
>> [clears throat]
[31:44]
» is there a provision that if we approve
it um
[31:48]
it can be enforced or
in included increased but how do we
[31:55]
reject it personally?
>> I don't know that you really can reject
[31:59]
it personally. I don't know
>> in this for any money. I'm certainly not
[32:02]
getting
>> I think if you want to do that, then you
[32:05]
should probably just reject it.
>> And I would I want to be clear on this.
[32:08]
If you look at the raise amount,
>> 5.7%. It's the average It's the average
[32:14]
» in
>> of of the increases of all of our city
[32:17]
of
employees. That's how we come about that
[32:20]
that average. So it's a very minimal
amount. Um
[32:24]
it's I think to just so everyone knows,
this this also includes the raises to
[32:29]
all of our contracted employees as well,
that same ordinance for the attorneys,
[32:36]
uh the engineers, etc.
>> I don't think it does the engineers.
[32:39]
» It does It is in there or not. So, I
read through it.
[32:42]
» Okay. Well, that's kind of my point is I
don't want to hinder anybody else,
[32:46]
» But But you we can restrict ours from
there. We just have to be very clear.
[32:52]
» I I don't want to affect yours. I just
don't want I don't want any
[32:54]
» Well, I don't need it. It's It's like I
said, it's $57 It's It's 57 It's $50 $57
[33:00]
to me. And I think it's $20 to the
council. We're not asking for this,
[33:06]
Jason, because we think we want that
raise.
[33:08]
» No, I I get that. I I just again, it's
more for me it's more about the
[33:12]
principle of
>> Yeah.
[33:13]
» saying
>> I agree with that principle.
[33:15]
» I I will argue that
again, I don't I'm indifferent. I don't
[33:20]
need it. I don't care if we get it.
But I do see
[33:25]
the reason why Cody has built it in
>> Mhm.
[33:28]
» because if we continue to kick it away
and never take it,
[33:33]
at some point down the road,
there will be a point in time where the
[33:38]
council and mayor will need to adjust
their salaries. And at that point, it's
[33:43]
a lot harder conversation cuz you've
never been taking this.
[33:46]
» Well, it's a larger amount. You'll get
behind
[33:48]
» No, I I'm I'm comfortable moving forward
tonight with with this. I just I think
[33:53]
maybe we should have some further
discussion about, uh, finding a way to
[33:56]
put a little bit more, uh,
control in the hands of the voters.
[34:01]
Um, for making sure that it doesn't get
out of hand or but some sort of
[34:06]
limitation to it. Again,
>> Are you suggesting limitations on all of
[34:10]
our contracted employees as well?
>> No, for just
[34:14]
» Just elected officials.
>> Yeah.
[34:16]
» So, that's fine. We can And we can
strike the elected officials.
[34:20]
» I I don't think we need to hear anything
tonight. I'm saying
[34:25]
Hold on. Find a good wording for it.
>> I want to find the actual ordinance cuz
[34:28]
I
>> It's on page eight and nine. And it's
[34:31]
not that It's not the engineers, it's
just the attorneys. It's just the civil
[34:35]
attorney, the prosecuting attorney. The
judge is required by state law. And then
[34:41]
um the recorder is included in there cuz
they're an officer, but it's based upon
[34:45]
pay scale. And then mine's the same as
the judge. So.
[34:49]
» So up in that
>> And you can do whatever you want on
[34:52]
yours. That's just how the city's policy
is written. Um some cities I think Ogden
[34:57]
has it set up. I can't remember the
percentage. I want to say it's 4%. They
[35:00]
just have a percentage that it is every
year. And like it's capped kind of like
[35:05]
you're saying, Council Anderson, that
like it doesn't exceed that amount.
[35:10]
» So
Cody, can I just make a recommendation?
[35:14]
» Yep.
>> Hey, cuz I think it's clear no one up
[35:17]
here has asked for this.
>> Correct.
[35:19]
» Mayor, I haven't asked for it. Council
members haven't asked for this.
[35:23]
I I don't want this to become some big
story that we're asking for a 5% raise.
[35:29]
It's just built into the ordinance as
it's written. So if we want to strike
[35:34]
it, I believe we probably could
remove or approve the ordinance
[35:41]
approve the ordinance
with the exclusion of the
[35:48]
compensated adjustments to the elected
officials. Could we not?
[35:52]
» I think so. Or just leave those amounts
as they are rather than the proposed
[35:56]
increases that are stated.
>> Yeah. And
[36:00]
» However you want to do it.
>> And I I will support whatever the
[36:02]
council wants to do. I I think
just wanted to make it clear no one up
[36:06]
here has asked for that.
>> Right. And I wasn't trying to suggest
[36:09]
that cuz again, 5% on the
very volunteer based amount that we're
[36:14]
getting for this is not a a substantial
amount. Correct. For me it's really more
[36:18]
about the principle of elected officials
giving themselves raises. That's it.
[36:23]
» I personally think it's
it's a fair way of doing it based on
[36:28]
that percentage
and the average with the with all of the
[36:33]
other
uh city individuals getting that
[36:37]
rather than for us to arbitrarily say,
"Oh, we need a $50 a month or $100 a
[36:41]
month raise."
>> [clears throat]
[36:44]
» If we're going to do it at all, I think
it
[36:47]
the way it's based here in the ordinance
is probably the
[36:50]
the most fair way to do it.
>> Well, that way there's never
[36:54]
it's never followed up with a request
from somebody here.
[36:58]
» Right.
>> In other words, it negates any of that
[37:00]
appearance of being self-serving.
>> Self-serving.
[37:03]
» It's just the way the structure of the
ordinance is. It happens when it happens
[37:09]
and
uh doesn't kick up a lot of dust.
[37:13]
» For sure. The other nice thing about um
talking to taking it, too, is then like
[37:19]
it's kind of like everything else we're
trying to do in the city with the
[37:21]
utility fees and stuff. We're just
trying to incrementally increase them.
[37:25]
So, we avoid the point that it goes 20
years and then it's like all of a sudden
[37:29]
we've got to do uh a larger increase.
>> And I think that's why it's there,
[37:33]
right?
>> Right.
[37:34]
» That's why it's in the ordinance.
>> Right.
[37:36]
» It's just kind of trying to hold the
line a little bit.
[37:39]
So, it's totally up to you. Do you have
any other questions for me?
[37:44]
» No, thank you, Cody.
>> I think our next item is to open it up
[37:47]
to a public hearing. Maybe the public
has some
[37:51]
uh input for us on this issue.
>> I'll make a motion that we open the
[37:56]
public hearing uh related to
the ordinance um enacting compensation
[38:03]
increases for uh specific city officers.
>> I'll second the motion.
[38:07]
» And and city officials.
>> Oh, and city officials.
[38:12]
» Right.
>> Um
[38:14]
» I think yeah. A motion by Katie, second
by Bob. All in favor say I.
[38:18]
» I.
>> I.
[38:19]
» Okay. We're now on a public hearing.
Does anyone want to approach
[38:25]
and comment?
[38:29]
No?
No comment? Okay.
[38:33]
Uh
no comment. We will have a motion to
[38:36]
close the public hearing.
>> I move we close public hearing.
[38:39]
» Okay, motion to close by Jason.
>> Second.
[38:42]
» Second by Tim. All in favor say I.
>> I.
[38:46]
» Okay, public hearing is now closed.
We'll now consider approval of ordinance
[38:51]
2026-11
enacting compensation increases for
[38:56]
specific city officers. Katie was right,
that's how it is read. Um do we want to
[39:02]
approve this,
modify it?
[39:06]
I don't think we want to reject it or
deny it cuz that would impact the city
[39:10]
uh
city employees.
[39:13]
» Legally we have to adopt it if you want
the city employees to have an increase
[39:17]
and the judge.
>> Okay, so Cody says legally we have to
[39:21]
adopt it if we intend for the city for
the city employees and the judge
[39:27]
and the attorneys
to receive their uh compensation
[39:31]
increase.
>> So, I'm willing to bring my concerns to
[39:35]
a later
point uh
[39:38]
and see about making a more thoughtful
change behind my concern.
[39:43]
So, we don't keep uh
people who really matter
[39:47]
for the this raise getting it. So, I I'm
willing to table those concerns for
[39:52]
being dealt with later.
>> And maybe in the future we modify what
[39:55]
the ordinance is for elected officials.
>> Are we on a time constraint with this
[39:58]
regarding next year's budget, Cody?
>> Yes.
[40:01]
» Uh we needed to approve it tonight. The
other thing you could do, and I don't
[40:04]
know if you necessarily want to do this
tonight, you could cap that, but like
[40:08]
let's say the average increase was 10%
or something like that, that it never
[40:13]
went over 5% or whatever the case may
be.
[40:17]
» I'm glad you said that cuz I think I
looked at last year's average and it was
[40:20]
like 7.9%.
>> Yeah.
[40:23]
» So, it does fluctuate.
>> So, and if you remember that pay scale
[40:27]
comes from TechNet, we're surveying
those positions. That's where the raises
[40:31]
is coming from is the average of the
employees. So, if you're worried about
[40:34]
that, that might be the best way to
approach it is that we
[40:37]
» And we could
>> Could we cap
[40:39]
» in tonight?
>> I would assume that we could do that.
[40:42]
» Glenn said he gave instruction if
anything's changed, just modify it.
[40:46]
But, I think he he said the same thing.
We do have to make a decision on it
[40:50]
tonight.
>> Yep.
[40:51]
» Can I ask you though? Can you explain
just briefly what TechNet is so everyone
[40:55]
understands?
>> So, TechNet is basically like a database
[40:58]
provider for all the local governments
in the state of Utah if they want to
[41:02]
provide if they want to subscribe. So,
as part of it, we pay a fee to be part
[41:06]
of TechNet and then we have to share our
data with them just like we pull the
[41:11]
data. So, then any local government that
participates, they can upload there.
[41:15]
It's based upon job description. So,
ideally we're matching job descriptions
[41:20]
and then with that job description then
we put what we're paying and everybody
[41:24]
else puts what they're paying and then
we're able to go in there and survey a
[41:28]
position and see what other people are
paying so that we're consistent with
[41:32]
like what a recorder is getting
throughout the state.
[41:34]
» Are you happy with the way it's written
right now?
[41:37]
» I think it's great.
>> I I do too, but I I think Jason makes a
[41:41]
good point. Could we add verbage that
caps
[41:44]
that would cap
any compens- any adjusted increase for
[41:49]
elected officials at a certain percent
that we felt
[41:52]
» I'm sure we can. I just don't know if
this is the best place to do that or if
[41:56]
that's a question for me.
>> I have a question for you.
[41:58]
» to discuss that and change it later.
>> I think that's what too.
[42:02]
» I'll try to amend it tonight.
>> session would be good.
[42:05]
» Approve it now and then adjust the
ordinance.
[42:07]
» I like that. Yes.
>> Cuz again, 5% tonight It not like we're
[42:11]
going
on vacations and stuff
[42:14]
» No.
>> All right.
[42:15]
» But if we can take care of that in a
work session [clears throat] soon, I
[42:18]
think that would be sufficient.
>> Can we Is that okay?
[42:21]
» That's perfect.
>> And then we're trying to make sure
[42:22]
Liam's there just so we
>> And then we're still um
[42:26]
fulfilling our obligation per state law.
>> Yep.
[42:30]
» It's going to be the hardest earned $20
>> [laughter]
[42:33]
» All right. Katie's excited.
>> So I've been the one to make all the
[42:37]
noise here.
I'm going to move that we approve
[42:40]
ordinance number 2026-11 enacting
compensation increases for specific city
[42:44]
officers.
>> As it is written.
[42:47]
» As it is written.
>> I'll second.
[42:49]
» Motion Motion by Jason and a second by
Tim to approve any
[42:54]
» Roll call it.
>> Yes, it does say roll call here for me.
[42:57]
I put that note in there. Roll call uh
Tim.
[43:00]
» Aye.
>> Jason.
[43:02]
» Aye.
>> Katie.
[43:03]
» Aye.
>> David.
[43:04]
» Aye.
>> And Bob.
[43:06]
» Aye.
>> Okay. Motion carries.
[43:09]
Uh ordinance number 2026-11
is approved.
[43:16]
Okay. Consideration of approval of the
final 2026-2027
[43:22]
budget is our next item and Cody will
explain that.
[43:26]
» Okay. Thank you. Um so once again, this
is basically the essentially the same
[43:31]
budget that we went over in the work
session in the tentative budget. The
[43:35]
only thing we really changed is adjusted
it for the property tax rates that we
[43:38]
just got last week. Um so it's included
in the packet and on pages 31 through
[43:44]
13 through 31. On page 31 shows the
adjustment that I made for the um
[43:49]
property tax. If you remember, we always
estimate a little high
[43:53]
um and then adjust that down and adjust
that out with sales tax. So it's largely
[43:56]
what we talked about. As always, we made
several changes this year if you
[44:01]
remember and set up new departments,
reallocated things. So I would
[44:06]
anticipate that we probably will have a
few more budget amendments this year
[44:09]
than we usually do just trying to
massage that and get everything in just
[44:13]
the right place. But, I'm happy to
answer any questions you may have.
[44:17]
» I I just have a comment.
Um mainly cuz I'm
[44:21]
extremely proud of everyone's efforts
[44:27]
in the city.
Um
[44:31]
and the
the big push in the budget. We budgeted
[44:35]
20,000
in the come in from donations
[44:39]
for Freedom Festival,
which I was told is more than 10,000
[44:43]
more than we've ever brought in.
Um I will report as of tonight, we've
[44:49]
received over $24,000 in donations from
local businesses and interested
[44:56]
residents.
>> That's amazing.
[44:58]
» Um and that all and I that is and
Angie's here. That's Lindsey's efforts.
[45:04]
That's city staff. Um we've all made a
big push to reach out to those that we
[45:08]
know in the business community. So, I
publicly wanted to mention that that um
[45:14]
that goes a a really long way especially
this year where the state has asked
[45:19]
all of the cities to really make an
effort to celebrate America's 250th
[45:24]
birthday, which we're doing.
Have a long list of items there. So, I
[45:28]
just wanted to congratulate everyone on
that effort.
[45:33]
Any comments or questions about the
budget?
[45:37]
Okay. We do need to
open for public hearing.
[45:42]
» I move we open public hearing for
considering our uh
[45:47]
to receive and consider public comments.
>> I'll second.
[45:50]
» Okay. Motion by Jason and a second by
Katie. All in favor say I.
[45:55]
» I.
>> Okay. Motion carries. We're now in a
[45:58]
public hearing to discuss the 2026-27
um
[46:03]
fiscal year budget.
[46:07]
Any comments?
Anyone would like to come up and
[46:10]
comment?
No? Okay, seeing no comments,
[46:15]
um I will entertain a motion to close
the public hearing.
[46:18]
» So moved.
>> Jason has moved to close.
[46:21]
» Second.
>> Seconded by
[46:23]
Was that Tim?
Okay, all in favor say aye.
[46:27]
» Aye.
>> Okay, motion The public hearing is now
[46:30]
closed.
Um I will entertain a motion to approve
[46:33]
the final budget. Is there any final
comments or questions?
[46:37]
» Um I just I wanted to make sure we were
still working on that policy for the um
[46:43]
employee
awards.
[46:45]
» Yes.
>> As
[46:47]
» Well, it's in it's included in the
budget. Um
[46:51]
just so everyone knows, I I awarded one
last month out of my own pocket because
[46:58]
we didn't have budget money to use it.
But there is I think it's 10,000 How
[47:03]
much did we budget? 10
>> 10,000
[47:04]
» $10,000. What that is is for a mayor's
award, um
[47:09]
which is decided not just by me. I mean,
city city staff, city council.
[47:16]
Anyone observing someone going above and
beyond. So, it gives us an ability to
[47:20]
reward
extra efforts. And I can tell you we'll
[47:24]
be rewarding several of these after the
4th of July because there's been an
[47:28]
enormous amount of effort after hours by
the staff to put all this stuff on.
[47:34]
Um I think the only worry there from
maybe you, Katie, and someone on the
[47:39]
council, which was valid, um and it
helps protect It probably does help
[47:43]
protect that. What limitations do we put
on that 10,000 so that the mayor doesn't
[47:49]
have
maybe universal power or authority to do
[47:52]
whatever they wanted to do.
Um and I'm happy with I'm not looking to
[47:57]
anything like that. I just wanted to We
wanted to create a program where we
[48:00]
could reward behavior.
>> No, and I think it's a great I I think
[48:03]
it's a great idea and it's a really
inconsequential sum when you come to
[48:07]
think of it, but I would I think Liam
had talked about in our work session
[48:12]
developing just a policy for around that
with some like protections and I just
[48:18]
wanted to just keep that in make sure
that's still moving forward.
[48:25]
» Is there anything we want to adjust on
that right now before we approve the
[48:28]
budget?
>> I think we're okay. I think we can work
[48:32]
on a policy.
Um and
[48:34]
» Could we insert that into our policy and
procedures and make it in and make it a
[48:38]
part of that?
>> I think so or a personnel policy.
[48:41]
» Oh, yeah.
>> Our personnel policy is probably where
[48:43]
it fits better.
>> where Liam suggested.
[48:44]
» And that's a that's easy to insert and
we'd bring it up on a motion to approve
[48:49]
the
>> Yep.
[48:50]
» And we
>> What we could do is have like some cap
[48:52]
in there so an individual award can't
exceed a certain amount and like if you
[48:57]
want some approval and documentation
that goes with it. We need to make sure
[49:00]
it gets reported on their taxes and
things like that. So we could just have
[49:04]
all that stuff in there. It wouldn't
need to be a big deal and it would be
[49:07]
pretty straightforward.
>> So that's not a problem.
[49:09]
» I'll make a list and send Liam an email
what we
[49:13]
» In addition to the documentation, I mean
if we're giving [clears throat] these
[49:17]
out honestly, we should probably make
more of a big deal at least an email
[49:21]
that goes out says, "Hey, we've awarded
so-and-so because of this great
[49:25]
exceptional work." That also creates
while that's not the main purpose, but
[49:31]
it creates a bit of a paper trail there
as well.
[49:33]
» Yeah.
When I first brought this up, um
[49:36]
Cody I'm going to rat you out a little
bit.
[49:38]
» [laughter]
>> I I I was kind of I was going big and I
[49:43]
was like, "I want to I want to be able
to like let's give them a $500 or a
[49:47]
$1,000 bonus to their check and if they
do something really really awesome,
[49:53]
let's make it powerful and
Cody brought me to back down to earth a
[49:57]
little bit and said it doesn't need to
be that. It just needs to be
[50:00]
recognition. And I'm the reason I'm
calling you out is the one that I
[50:04]
awarded to Trev last month uh for all of
his efforts on the rodeo preparation and
[50:10]
helping us have our first rodeo event.
Um and he's Man, he spends a lot of time
[50:15]
at the arena grooming it and doing all
that. Um my little gift card was $25.
[50:21]
And you know what? That he was so
uh honored to receive that and it he it
[50:27]
meant so much to him. So, it really it
wasn't the dollar amount. It was the
[50:32]
recognition. And so, that 10,000 will go
That'll go a long ways all year.
[50:37]
» If the mayor keeps giving out his gift
cards, there's no tax, right?
[50:40]
» Right.
>> All right. You can't tax me on that one.
[50:43]
» [laughter]
>> Yeah, it's just a gift.
[50:46]
» But you're right, Jason. We can promote
that from within. We can send out some
[50:51]
staff emails. Make sure everyone's
recognized that way, for sure.
[50:55]
» And you could even include reporting if
you wanted that like the mayor reports
[50:58]
that back in city council meeting so
that they get recognition more publicly,
[51:02]
whatever you'd like. Like we can
>> write that in.
[51:05]
» facilitate
whatever.
[51:07]
» I like it being in the policy, though.
>> Yeah.
[51:10]
» Cuz then it's part of the
policy and procedure.
[51:13]
» I think it's just yeah.
Cover your butt.
[51:16]
» Yeah. I think it's a great idea.
>> Like it.
[51:19]
» Great. I think we need a roll call.
>> I don't think we've made a motion.
[51:23]
» Oh, we haven't. Nope, we haven't made a
motion.
[51:25]
» I'll make a motion that we approve the
final 2026-2027
[51:29]
budget.
>> Okay. Motion by Katie to approve the
[51:32]
budget, second by Jason. All in favor
No.
[51:36]
» One by one.
>> One by one. We'll do a roll call. Bob.
[51:39]
» I.
>> David.
[51:41]
» I.
>> Katie.
[51:42]
» I.
>> Jason.
[51:42]
» I.
>> And Tim.
[51:44]
» I.
>> Okay.
[51:45]
Based on that, the motion passes. We
have a new
[51:50]
fiscal year budget.
Good job. Good job, team.
[51:54]
» Cody, appreciate all the work you put
into it.
[51:56]
» Yes, thank you.
>> Should we give Cody a $25 gift card?
[51:59]
» No, he gets the 5.7%.
>> [laughter]
[52:04]
» Same 5.7.
[52:08]
I'm I'm going to publicly do the same
thing. Cody has spent
[52:13]
hours
upon hours
[52:17]
of extra time on this budget.
Making sure that
[52:23]
that we're not budgeting to zero, we're
carrying plenty of money over,
[52:28]
we're saving for a rainy day.
The one thing I will say this, too.
[52:34]
And you get a little heat for this.
Pushing back on things or you can't do
[52:39]
that or you we can't spend
I would much rather have that
[52:44]
than someone that would just let you
spend whatever you want. Cody, you do a
[52:47]
great job and you keep us in line and
make sure that we're
[52:51]
we're uh
able to report to the residents that
[52:54]
we're good stewards of of their money.
So, thank you.
[52:58]
» Yes.
>> I really appreciate your expertise.
[53:00]
[clears throat] I trust you and trust in
that, too.
[53:03]
» Very much.
Our next item is consideration for
[53:07]
approval of the certified tax rate for
the 26 year and Cody will present that.
[53:12]
» Okay, so on page 32 of the packet is the
new certified tax rate. Just for your
[53:17]
information, so it's 0.000322.
[53:21]
If you remember last year it was
0.000327.
[53:26]
Um and the certified budgeted revenues
is the 411457.
[53:31]
Last year it was 375588.
So, um the increase, the new growth
[53:37]
increase is $35,869.
So, that's new things that occurred in
[53:42]
Fairwest. And the rate dropped by point
five zeros and a five, which is about a
[53:48]
1.5% increase. So, what that means is
values went up about 1.5% and so then
[53:54]
the rate drops so that we get the same
amount of money before
[53:58]
the
new growth. So, if you have any
[54:00]
questions, I can answer it. Otherwise
>> Thank you. Can I do have a question?
[54:04]
Just so everyone's clear, there was not
a truth in taxation this year.
[54:09]
» Nope, we didn't
>> We didn't increase taxes.
[54:11]
» We just held the certified tax rate. So,
no truth in taxation or TNT requirements
[54:17]
were required.
>> And you guys
[54:19]
» And be proud be proud of that. I mean,
you know, I watch some of these cities
[54:23]
you know, the
I'll use Roy as the example cuz they're
[54:26]
in the news every day, but there's a lot
of cities that that's a hot button item.
[54:32]
» West Haven had increased this
>> Yeah. So, again, I say well done. That
[54:36]
was it's great. It's awesome.
>> I don't know if you seen the article
[54:39]
today about the new North Ogden Valley
City. So, they're suing the state tax
[54:43]
commission cuz they didn't get all their
stuff done by January 1st. So, they
[54:46]
don't have a legal right to assess a
property tax, but they're proposing I
[54:50]
can't remember now like 532%
tax increase.
[54:54]
» When you go from zero to
>> Well, they the county assessed a little
[54:59]
tiny bit it but it's just their out of
county or their out of city municipal
[55:03]
rate. And it's like 100 100 bucks per
household or something. And so, they're
[55:08]
going up significantly. So, they're
Besides Roy's like 50% increase, the
[55:12]
Ogden Valley one is shibongo, too.
>> Up to 50%.
[55:16]
» Yeah. Yeah, up to
>> It's not at 50%.
[55:18]
» Right, that's the max they can go.
So.
[55:21]
» I just want to also say thanks. You've
explained how all this works a number of
[55:24]
times and it's helped helped us be
prepared for this. So, appreciate that.
[55:28]
Thank you.
>> Yeah.
[55:29]
» Thanks.
>> Um
[55:32]
any other questions about the tax rate?
>> I move that we uh, the certified tax
[55:39]
rate for the 2026 tax year.
>> I'll second.
[55:42]
» Motion by
Tim to approve, a second by Bob. Do we
[55:47]
roll call this, you think?
>> You can. I mean, it wouldn't hurt.
[55:51]
» It wouldn't hurt.
>> it's it's money. It's I mean, it's
[55:53]
money. So, uh, Bob?
>> Aye.
[55:56]
» David?
>> Aye.
[55:58]
» Katie?
>> Aye.
[55:59]
» And Jason?
>> Aye. Tim?
[56:01]
» Aye.
>> The motion carries.
[56:04]
That is approved. Amendments, uh, to
consider
[56:10]
consideration for approval of our,
um, consolidated fee schedule.
[56:15]
Um, and Cody is again going to explain
that.
[56:19]
» Okay, so this is page 33 and 34 of the
packet. Um, we're just proposing that
[56:24]
the sewer rate goes up by the same rate
that Central Weber's increasing their
[56:29]
rate.
Um, same thing with the garbage cans,
[56:32]
the proposed increase there, we're
proposing same increase, and then we
[56:37]
kind of took the average of those to
increase the storm water utility fee.
[56:41]
And then the transportation utility fee
is remaining unchanged. It's staying at
[56:44]
the $7. So, it's just And these are
reflected in the budget, so this is just
[56:50]
kind of the back end so that we have the
legal ability to increase those fees.
[56:53]
So, if you have any questions, I can
answer them.
[56:55]
» Just Just a comment. The sewer fee
last year, the state rejected the sewer
[57:00]
district's input, so they got zero.
The sewer [clears throat] district
[57:05]
operated off of
rainy day funds and bonds, interest off
[57:10]
bonds. So, there was no increase, and
there will be no increase
[57:15]
uh, other than
the operating expenses. So, they're not
[57:18]
raising us because they failed to get
the approval from the state from last
[57:22]
year.
>> And you're talking property tax.
[57:24]
» Correct.
>> For this Central Weber.
[57:27]
» Yep.
>> I did have a question on the replacement
[57:30]
container. Looks like we've charged $25
for that since 2021.
[57:36]
Have we looked at the actual costs of
those replacement containers to make
[57:40]
sure that we're covering
>> 500 dollars. So I think that is just if
[57:45]
your can gets like broken.
If [clears throat] you want a new can, I
[57:50]
believe it's elsewhere in the policy and
it's like 125 bucks.
[57:55]
» Okay.
>> So like if I go and say I want a second
[57:57]
garbage can, I believe I have to pay
like 125 dollars.
[58:02]
» Cost of can plus 1265 a month. And then
okay.
[58:05]
» I think that's just if like your can
gets broken or you put fireworks in your
[58:09]
can and melt it.
I think that's what
[58:12]
» Knowing that it is though
125 dollars and we're only charging 25,
[58:18]
there's a pretty big delta there.
>> Would need to ask Robbie. I don't know
[58:22]
if some of those qualify. He's confirmed
165 a can.
[58:26]
» Yeah, I remember.
>> Is the cost. Yeah, and I don't know if
[58:29]
some of these like we get replaced under
warranty and the 25 is more just a
[58:32]
service fee. I'm not positive
>> They don't My trash can was destroyed by
[58:36]
the trash truck and I paid the full
replacement fee.
[58:39]
» Okay.
>> Wait, say that again. If they ruin it?
[58:42]
» My trash can was destroyed by the trash
truck and I ended up having to pay the
[58:46]
full replacement.
>> Not the 25?
[58:47]
» Not the 25.
>> That's interesting.
[58:50]
» I know.
I didn't argue.
[58:52]
» And that's something we should probably
look at.
[58:53]
» argue it. I just wanted my trash
collected.
[58:55]
» I bet he probably that's probably not I
mean maybe it is but That seems off to
[59:01]
me.
>> I just hope nobody else had to pay.
[59:02]
» Yeah, that should be in our contract
with them if it's not that they replace
[59:07]
any cans that are broken.
>> Split it right down the middle. If they
[59:11]
break it, it
should be their responsibility.
[59:15]
» Just something worth looking into.
>> We can look at that. I assume that's
[59:19]
just the replacement not a new.
>> We'll take that up.
[59:22]
» What are we looking at? So like what do
you mean?
[59:25]
» Uh this replacement can.
>> 25 dollars?
[59:28]
» Mhm.
[59:32]
» Yeah.
>> But if they if they have to
[59:35]
replace the container and the actual
cost of the garbage can is $165,
[59:41]
but we're only charging the resident
$25.
[59:43]
» Then we're eating the money.
>> We're eating a pretty good amount of
[59:46]
money.
>> Yeah, but I'm not sure that when they
[59:48]
replace it, they always replace it with
a new one.
[59:50]
» They do not.
>> I think that's true.
[59:52]
» There are some that they refurbish and
recondition uh, and cannibalize to have
[59:57]
some backup cans for this purpose.
>> I think you're right. And I think we get
[1:00:02]
some back on warranty once we buy new
ones and things. I think that's why the
[1:00:05]
$25 is less than the
>> So, just I'm
[1:00:09]
» They're serially controlled.
>> We have an awesome public works director
[1:00:13]
who watches all of these.
>> Right.
[1:00:15]
» And he's watching right now.
Um, we only charge $25 to recoup some
[1:00:20]
money.
Uh, his advice is we should change it
[1:00:24]
cuz we replace a ton of garbage cans.
So, to Katie's point, we are expensing
[1:00:28]
that.
>> It's still a lot of hole.
[1:00:30]
» Um
>> Robbie, what do you recommend?
[1:00:32]
» I would recommend that we don't do the
full 165 because at some point some of
[1:00:37]
this is built into the rate. That's kind
of part of doing the cost of business.
[1:00:42]
And I think it depends on how they
damage them. If they throw fireworks in
[1:00:46]
it and melt the can, then yeah, they
should probably pay the 165 bucks. But
[1:00:49]
if it just wears out cuz their can's 20
years old, I don't know that we should
[1:00:54]
necessarily have that on the resident. I
think that's why this rate is 25 bucks.
[1:00:58]
» And up until 20 up until 2021, we didn't
charge anything.
[1:01:02]
» Right.
>> This this $25
[1:01:05]
that just started as of 2021.
>> So, some of that cuz the garbage fund is
[1:01:11]
a little different than the other
enterprise funds. Like we really don't
[1:01:13]
need to make a lot of money because all
we need to do is pay for the trash
[1:01:17]
service. And we usually make a little
bit of money, so that would pay for some
[1:01:21]
of those damaged cans. So, if we have
lost cans that are old, maybe we need to
[1:01:24]
bump that up to like 30 bucks or 40, but
I don't think we need to go to the
[1:01:28]
» And I I will I will concede that in my
case, there were no replacement cans
[1:01:32]
available. They'd all been dispensed, so
I had to buy new ones.
[1:01:35]
From the vendor, but that's another
but on let's move on.
[1:01:39]
» Uh the advice of of Rob is $100 would be
he thinks that would be sufficient, so
[1:01:45]
maybe that's another discussion for
another day.
[1:01:47]
» Yeah, I think we ought to look into it a
little
[1:01:49]
» Or do can we change it right now?
>> You can change it right now. I just
[1:01:52]
don't I mean
think about it, your can gets broke,
[1:01:56]
like are you going to be mad that then
the city's like
[1:01:58]
» I don't know. Well, so
>> Well, it sounds like they're charging
[1:02:01]
» It happens a lot and and he did say
>> wrong. They shouldn't have done that. It
[1:02:05]
should have been the 25.
>> Most of the time it's not the truck's
[1:02:07]
fault.
The garbage cans just wear out over
[1:02:10]
time.
>> Exactly.
[1:02:11]
» That's normal wear and tear.
>> So, at some point I would say that's
[1:02:15]
already built into our rates cuz if we
were doing it for free, like we're
[1:02:18]
already covering that. So, it just
depends what you want to do.
[1:02:22]
I just So, you know, like
I just think from a public like a
[1:02:27]
customer service perspective, like
somebody would be mad if they're
[1:02:29]
» Do we go to a public hearing for this?
>> Not yet.
[1:02:33]
» Oh, but we will.
Cuz I want to hear what Lou thinks.
[1:02:38]
» [laughter]
[1:02:41]
» I'm So, we need a motion to enter a
public hearing.
[1:02:43]
» So moved to 50 bucks.
>> Okay, motion by Jason.
[1:02:49]
» Second.
>> Second by Tim. All in favor say I.
[1:02:52]
» I.
>> Motion carries. We're now in a public
[1:02:54]
hearing. And I've asked Lou to comment
as he is
[1:02:59]
he's been around a while.
And I I I trust him. What do you think
[1:03:04]
on this, Lou?
>> Well, let me just start with what I
[1:03:07]
intended on doing. I it disappointed me
that we got four public hearings and you
[1:03:11]
haven't had any comment from the public.
So, I'm representing the greater public
[1:03:15]
right now.
>> That's fair.
[1:03:17]
» But my my
here what is the increase in the monthly
[1:03:21]
garbage can fee? You mentioned it's
increased. I just think it'd be fair.
[1:03:25]
» It went from 1206
to 1265. It's minimal.
[1:03:30]
» Oh, it's trivial. 50 cents.
>> And then in
[1:03:34]
It's Oh, is it the same 5% that you're
getting?
[1:03:39]
» [laughter]
[1:03:42]
» Is it?
[1:03:46]
Oh.
That makes sense.
[1:03:51]
So, it is minimal.
>> To the point of garbage cans that wear
[1:03:56]
out over time,
I think there should be some element of
[1:03:59]
compassion on the citizens
to not give them a financial burden if
[1:04:05]
they've taken good care of their garbage
can and it's just simply old and it's
[1:04:09]
outgrown its utility.
So,
[1:04:13]
» So,
>> quite different from misuse or
[1:04:16]
overloading it or all of that.
>> I agree with that. Yeah, for sure. So,
[1:04:20]
if the $25 replacement fee is how old,
Katie?
[1:04:25]
» Since 2021.
>> 2021.
[1:04:27]
» And you're increasing it to
>> We're asking, should we increase it?
[1:04:31]
» Robbie recommended a hundred.
>> I'd say
[1:04:33]
» Our public
>> There's a lot of real estate between 25
[1:04:37]
and a hundred though.
>> The The Well, the cost of a new one is
[1:04:39]
165.
So, where do we Where do we fit?
[1:04:44]
» the issue is who bears the burden of the
garbage can wearing out over time but
[1:04:49]
used appropriately.
>> Yeah.
[1:04:53]
» That's That's your decision, not mine.
>> Public Works recommends a hundred. It's
[1:04:57]
25 now.
>> How often do we get requests to replace
[1:05:01]
a can?
>> Uh Public Works said it happens a lot. I
[1:05:05]
don't know what that number would
entail, but it it's a lot.
[1:05:07]
» I mean, I've I've been in since the
beginning and my I still have my two
[1:05:11]
original
and I think they're in perfect shape.
[1:05:14]
» I think part of the reason the original
and one of the four containers
[1:05:18]
but I think part of the reason that they
implemented the $25 is so that people
[1:05:22]
didn't just want to switch cans.
>> Yeah.
[1:05:24]
» And [laughter]
if you break a can, bring me a new one.
[1:05:27]
That's I believe why we implemented the
$25.
[1:05:30]
» So I'm going to 50.
Yeah.
[1:05:32]
» Cuz I can see 25 being an
inconsequential amount to stop somebody
[1:05:37]
» Five a week at least.
>> Five a week, really?
[1:05:40]
» Oh, that's that's heavy.
>> And you add that up over over time.
[1:05:44]
» what you're doing you've got two issues.
You've got sort of the legitimate it
[1:05:48]
wears out over time versus
almost abuse of that policy where I want
[1:05:53]
a brand new shiny can cuz my new my
current can stinks a little bit and it's
[1:05:58]
got a few scratches on it.
>> Agreed.
[1:06:01]
» I think we ought to increase it but I'm
not sure we need to go all the way to
[1:06:04]
100.
>> Cody, you mentioned that part of our
[1:06:06]
cost incorporates replacement which is
why you're saying if we do increase only
[1:06:11]
like 35, 40, not all the way up to 100.
Do we know anything about how much
[1:06:18]
or how much the we're we're
our fees are covering that increase?
[1:06:23]
Or sorry, the replacement
[clears throat] costs?
[1:06:27]
» Um explain more. I'm not quite following
you yet.
[1:06:30]
» You said that the
the service fees that we pay should at
[1:06:35]
least to some extent be covering the
cost of replacing can cans.
[1:06:40]
Yeah.
>> If the residents pay the city for the
[1:06:43]
shipping theory would have some built in
there.
[1:06:47]
» Okay.
>> You just don't know how much that is
[1:06:49]
right now.
>> It would vary, you know, like
[1:06:52]
we're
historically we just bought. I think
[1:06:55]
it's like 15 or $20,000 worth of cans
each year. So it would just be enough
[1:07:02]
like cover that much of the budget.
>> [snorts]
[1:07:06]
» Okay, so then the the 1265 a month we're
proposing moving to
[1:07:11]
should at least in some theory cover the
cost of replacing a can within a
[1:07:15]
reasonable amount of time, not every
year.
[1:07:18]
» Could Could I suggest at least a
>> That's not but hold on, 1265 is not a
[1:07:23]
replaced cost.
>> No, it's it's the the the cost for
[1:07:27]
residents to have the can, which should
cover include
[1:07:32]
a reasonable lifespan of the can
and then to be replaced. Isn't that what
[1:07:38]
the 1265 is?
>> Well, it's for It It It could require a
[1:07:42]
little bit of bookkeeping, but you could
have a policy
[1:07:46]
that relates to how soon you replace the
can after you got your most recent one.
[1:07:51]
» Mhm.
>> And you know, that would reflect, you
[1:07:55]
know, normal wear and tear, not abusive
wear and tear. And if somebody's asking
[1:07:59]
for a new can and they got a one 3 years
ago,
[1:08:03]
that's quite different than somebody
that's asking to replace a can they've
[1:08:06]
had for 20 years.
>> I think our attrition rate's going to
[1:08:09]
increase significantly and it's going to
put more burden on the
[1:08:12]
public works people.
>> Well, to to talk I'm sorry, Katie.
[1:08:16]
» Well, and then like
there's no enforcement mechanism for
[1:08:19]
like for somebody for us to say
[clears throat]
[1:08:23]
no, you had a can too recently, so you
can't get one.
[1:08:26]
» Don't you Don't you keep records of when
you sell them?
[1:08:28]
» Well, I'm saying we can keep records,
but we have no way of enforcing We have
[1:08:32]
no code with which to enforce that.
>> Right.
[1:08:35]
» Um maybe mention to lose point, the the
garbage cans have a 5-year warranty
[1:08:40]
currently.
So, that's a threshold to maybe keep in
[1:08:43]
mind.
The other thing when I think I heard Bob
[1:08:46]
say the burden on the staff or someone
so that um
[1:08:50]
the employees when they have to replace
these garbage cans, I mean that's that's
[1:08:55]
time, that's a truck, that's gas being
spent. We do need to account for some of
[1:09:00]
this, especially if it's happening
five-hour plus a week.
[1:09:03]
» Time away from
>> our rate. So, like we have accounted for
[1:09:07]
that's what I'm saying. I don't even
think we need to
[1:09:10]
build in a new rate for this. It's
already
[1:09:12]
» We've accounted for their time.
>> But I'm not talking about the rate. I'm
[1:09:15]
simply talking about the replacement
cost.
[1:09:17]
» Right. We've already been paying for
that in our rate. Our rate is
[1:09:21]
» Oh, I see.
>> So, we don't need to build it
[1:09:24]
like you The only reason we need this is
if we have people who are are generally
[1:09:30]
abusing
>> abusing it.
[1:09:31]
» But it sounds like that's happening and
so $25 isn't really cutting it.
[1:09:35]
» Right. But at some point like there's
probably some people that would pay $165
[1:09:40]
cuz they want a new can.
But I guess we have to look at it like
[1:09:44]
Lou too.
Like does Lou want to pay $150? They
[1:09:47]
want to pay $165 for a new can, but if
it's Handy's broke
[1:09:51]
does Lou want to pay $165 or do you want
to charge that? So, we can't punish
[1:09:55]
everybody for a handful of people that
want to
[1:09:58]
» And I don't think we should punish
anybody anyway.
[1:10:00]
» Can we consider an incremental increase?
>> But maybe
[1:10:03]
» Bring it up a little bit today and then
that's what I can consider later.
[1:10:06]
» I think I heard Tim say 50. I mean, I
heard a couple things.
[1:10:09]
» of the you know, the you you know, the
jump, the increment is pretty
[1:10:13]
substantial. How about easing it up
rather than jumping 50?
[1:10:16]
» I I think you're spot on, Lou.
>> Cody was recommending 35 or 40.
[1:10:24]
» That's really what I think is I don't
think even though we replace these,
[1:10:27]
that's just part of it. Another thing
you got to keep in mind is
[1:10:30]
» I think we did these in big chunks like
originally and so we probably And I
[1:10:34]
don't know from talking to Robbie, I'm
pretty sure I have a crappy garbage can
[1:10:37]
like the year they ordered those. Like
it's just not as built as heavy as some
[1:10:40]
of the other ones.
>> Did you got the one that the lid's
[1:10:42]
broke?
>> It hasn't Yeah, but
[1:10:45]
» Mine's been broke.
>> ticking time bomb.
[1:10:47]
» You consider a replacement one for $25?
>> I know. If I If we don't
[1:10:50]
If we don't If we don't change this
>> So, that's where like it We got to find
[1:10:54]
that balance in that cuz somebody has a
garbage can, they call in and we're
[1:10:57]
like, "Hey, it's a bucks." They're
probably going to be,
[1:11:00]
"My garbage can broken? You're charging
me 100 bucks?" So, we just need to find
[1:11:03]
the balance.
>> think 100's too steep to lose point.
[1:11:06]
But, maybe 50? I mean, that seems like a
good compromise. It's kind of It's not
[1:11:10]
even half. It's not even half of the
replacement cost.
[1:11:13]
We're still covering more than half of
that cost.
[1:11:16]
» It is twice what we're currently
charging, though.
[1:11:19]
» It's
>> It's a big increase when everything else
[1:11:22]
in price is going up.
>> Only if you're replacing a garbage can.
[1:11:27]
» Sure.
>> It's not bad.
[1:11:29]
Right? We're not charging that to get a
new one.
[1:11:32]
» Sure.
>> Right?
[1:11:33]
» I get that.
>> Right.
[1:11:35]
» So, it's a totally up to you guys.
>> So,
[1:11:38]
» And we're still in the
>> I would say we leave the actual cost of
[1:11:42]
the can alone
where it is and only modify the
[1:11:47]
replacement cost. That's it.
>> That's my feeling, too.
[1:11:51]
» Exactly.
>> Well, should we move into a public
[1:11:53]
hearing?
>> We we're in public now.
[1:11:55]
» Sorry, in the public hearing.
>> Do we have more public comments? Come
[1:11:58]
up.
Come up and say your Say your name so
[1:12:02]
Ange can record it.
>> You really want to know my name? You
[1:12:06]
know Want my real name or my just a
nickname?
[1:12:10]
Oh, jeez. Antoinette.
>> Antoinette?
[1:12:13]
» Yes.
Shaffer. S H A F F E R.
[1:12:18]
» Good.
>> Thank you for coming up.
[1:12:19]
» How do you spell it?
>> This needs to be mobile.
[1:12:21]
» You're awesome. Thanks for being here.
You can bend the You can bend the
[1:12:23]
microphone down.
>> What do you think about this?
[1:12:27]
» I agree with Bob.
If the garbage truck destroys your can,
[1:12:32]
you should not be responsible for it.
I'm sorry if I'm a little bit harsh on
[1:12:36]
that, but
if I were in your position, I'd be
[1:12:40]
saying, "No, I'm not going to pay for
that. That truck destroyed it."
[1:12:44]
But, if I'm replacing it by myself,
definitely, I'll replace it. Because,
[1:12:48]
hey, if I want a new one because the one
is like 25, 30, 50 years old or whatever
[1:12:52]
and doesn't want to work anymore, I'll
replace it. But if somebody else is
[1:12:56]
going to damage my
garbage can, absolutely not. Dorothy
[1:13:00]
took ours up in North Ogden.
They couldn't find it.
[1:13:04]
» I like that. I How do we
How do we police that, though?
[1:13:08]
» That's going to be very difficult
because if they overload it and the
[1:13:11]
axles bend or if it splits, cuz mine
split in half.
[1:13:15]
There was no damage to it until it came
down and it was
[1:13:19]
popped open.
Um how do you assess it? We don't have
[1:13:22]
an inspection team. You just have to go
off of good faith.
[1:13:26]
» I I mean, it's not you I agree with what
you're saying on principle. I'm just
[1:13:30]
wondering as a city or from the
>> can't Yeah.
[1:13:34]
» the company's perspective, how do we
know it wasn't just old, it had run its
[1:13:38]
life course?
>> I think a good suggestion, take pictures
[1:13:41]
with your phone, send it right straight
to your city office that day. This day,
[1:13:46]
it happened on this day when the garbage
truck came to pick it up my
[1:13:49]
» I think the burden of proof would be on
the resident to
[1:13:52]
like make a claim with the garbage truck
company.
[1:13:55]
» Right. Yeah.
>> Start off with that.
[1:13:58]
But if they say, "Oh, you'll need to
contact your city."
[1:14:03]
» I I will say this.
Uh
[1:14:08]
25 seems easy.
50, I think maybe will deter someone
[1:14:16]
from saying, "Well, mine stinks and I
don't want to I want a new one cuz mine
[1:14:20]
stinks."
>> My wheel is a little squeaky.
[1:14:22]
» Yeah.
>> If they see that
[1:14:24]
» I'm sorry.
>> yeah, there's a little
[1:14:25]
» And I think 100 is a dis- a disservice
to the city residents.
[1:14:30]
It's kind of how I feel, but
What do you think about Do you think a
[1:14:35]
replacement cost is okay?
>> If
[1:14:40]
If it's natural causes, you know, it's
old an old garbage can, but in
[1:14:45]
the regards to damage from someone else
the the garbage truck company
[1:14:51]
then
>> And you're saying that battle would have
[1:14:54]
to be fought between the resident and
that company?
[1:14:57]
» Or like what Cody said that in the
agreement there's some language that
[1:15:01]
speaks to
the the if the trash hauler is the one
[1:15:06]
that damages the can
there's some sort of you know
[1:15:10]
claim process.
>> you're able to do that.
[1:15:13]
» Okay. Cuz the problem's going to be
we need to have a contract with the
[1:15:17]
hauler. So like me as a resident if I
call them and say hey
[1:15:21]
» That's not where it goes.
[1:15:25]
» But
so I'm probably going to have to call
[1:15:27]
the city.
>> That's correct. If something happens to
[1:15:30]
your can, you've got to come to the city
to resolve the problem. I had to do
[1:15:35]
that. The lid tore off my can. One of
those those the old ones that just came
[1:15:40]
undone and
>> Were you mean? Were you mean?
[1:15:42]
» Oh, I was so No, I came in and said
I just came in and said my garbage can's
[1:15:47]
falling apart. And they
I paid the 25 bucks and the guys came
[1:15:52]
out with the truck
it's obviously been one that's been
[1:15:55]
refurbished. It's got some really funky
wheels on it. Okay. Uh but they replaced
[1:16:00]
it for me and it's fine. All I need is a
functional garbage can. This isn't some
[1:16:05]
piece of yard art.
Okay?
[1:16:08]
» Yeah.
>> [laughter]
[1:16:08]
» Right.
>> Just need a place to put my trash.
[1:16:11]
» So if someone
>> to come to the city to do it. You can't
[1:16:13]
go to the the provider. You can't go to
the hauler.
[1:16:16]
» Unless unless they come in and say the
truck did it then we would have to refer
[1:16:21]
you to the
>> No, city still has to handle it.
[1:16:24]
» No, I don't think so.
>> City property.
[1:16:29]
» Uh uh
>> City property. You got to deal with it.
[1:16:32]
» Oh, that is that is that how we're
>> See Bob, I tried to help.
[1:16:36]
» [laughter]
[1:16:39]
» For the majority of us that $100 or
whatever I paid
[1:16:42]
» Are you you sure they're city property?
>> Yeah.
[1:16:45]
» So then why did they make you pay the
full amount?
[1:16:49]
» I don't I
But hold on, the the resident buys the
[1:16:54]
can.
>> From the city.
[1:16:56]
» So the resident owns the can.
[1:17:01]
I know, but
[1:17:08]
I mean we might have to consult with
Liam on that part cuz I I think
[1:17:13]
from a legal perspective, if if a
resident owns the can, it's their
[1:17:17]
property.
>> They don't own it.
[1:17:28]
You don't own the can.
>> Well, that's interesting.
[1:17:31]
» If you move, you can't take the can with
you.
[1:17:33]
» Yeah, they
>> And but you're financially responsible
[1:17:36]
for it while you have
control over it.
[1:17:40]
» Kind of like a mailbox.
>> Yep.
[1:17:42]
» You buy it, but it doesn't isn't yours.
Post office.
[1:17:45]
» So what happens here?
>> That's interesting.
[1:17:47]
» with the provider,
but the relationship with the service is
[1:17:53]
between the resident and the city,
not between the resident and whoever's
[1:17:58]
driving the truck.
And when something goes wrong,
[1:18:02]
it's to this office that you come and
say, "The wheels fell off my can.
[1:18:08]
I load it so heavy I can't drag it to
the
[1:18:10]
Okay? And so I got to have a
replacement. And the city office will
[1:18:14]
take care of it with the public works
people. They'll take care of the can.
[1:18:18]
We've just got to decide what does that
expense entail. Is it $25 because I've
[1:18:24]
had a failure, or is it 50?
If I want a second can, I'm going to pay
[1:18:29]
full price for that.
>> Yes.
[1:18:32]
» Agreed.
>> Mhm.
[1:18:34]
» I still think it's personal property. I
think you can take that can with you.
[1:18:38]
» You can.
>> No, you can't. certainly
[1:18:42]
Wait, hold on. You can take the can with
you if you own the can.
[1:19:12]
» Okay, so there you go.
Did they ever pay you back?
[1:19:16]
» No, I didn't push it because it was
becoming economically unviable.
[1:19:22]
It was taking more money and my time.
>> Yeah, right.
[1:19:25]
» Well, that might I mean you say that's
in the contract, maybe that's worded
[1:19:29]
wrong.
[1:19:37]
I see.
Yeah, we are in the weeds a little bit
[1:19:40]
right now, but
Good comments. Anything else?
[1:19:44]
» That's it. Well, I have more in my mind,
but you'll be here all night.
[1:19:48]
» [laughter]
>> We're working on it.
[1:19:50]
» Okay, this is good con. I like this,
though. We don't have much public
[1:19:53]
comments usually.
[1:20:02]
If your can
and you need a replacement.
[1:20:10]
We can update our new website with maybe
that instruction.
[1:20:13]
» Yeah.
And but and it's a little difficult here
[1:20:17]
where Bonavista does our collections
because normally like
[1:20:21]
if they didn't do it then the residents
going to call us anyways.
[1:20:25]
But like it's really the city
contracting for the services. So, if it
[1:20:29]
gets broke, we the person bought the
can, it's on the city, and it's the
[1:20:34]
city's contractor. So, it's just if we
have the legal ability to go back to the
[1:20:37]
contractor and say, "Hey, you owe us for
a can."
[1:20:40]
» Yeah, Bonavista bills you for the
service, but if you need a replacement,
[1:20:43]
you come here to the city office, and
you pay
[1:20:46]
uh for whatever it is you've got to
>> Right. Cover.
[1:20:50]
» Cuz we pay Bonavista to do the billing
rather than doing it.
[1:20:53]
» Right. And Bonavista isn't going to bill
you the 25 bucks for the can. You're
[1:20:56]
going to pay that right here, whatever
that amount is.
[1:20:59]
» The replacement
>> Yeah.
[1:21:01]
» That's that's Are we done with the
public hearing, or are we still talking
[1:21:04]
about it?
>> We're We're still in
[1:21:04]
» I got one recommendation I want to throw
in.
[1:21:07]
Since we've got a lot of like in the
weeds kind of questions about this,
[1:21:10]
maybe we add this to the public hearing
we were talking about for the budget
[1:21:16]
other budget items.
And for now, we approve this as is.
[1:21:21]
And then if we need to if we feel like
during that public the work session that
[1:21:26]
we need to adjust things, then we can
uh either make that effective uh sooner,
[1:21:32]
or go into effect next year.
>> Can I ask a question?
[1:21:35]
» Sure.
>> Uh
[1:21:39]
a lot of the questions were concerning
who's responsible to pay or to replace
[1:21:45]
it, right? The the city versus the
resident versus the company.
[1:21:50]
I still think the replacement cost can
be adjusted here.
[1:21:54]
Right now.
To deter
[1:21:58]
just to deter a little bit the person
that just wants a new fresh smelling
[1:22:02]
can.
>> For 25 bucks.
[1:22:04]
» For 25 bucks. If that's all I have to
pay to get a new can,
[1:22:07]
» Yeah.
>> I'm I'm going to do that all day long. I
[1:22:10]
Why wouldn't you?
>> Well, it depends on the condition of the
[1:22:12]
can. And public works is going to assess
that when they look at it. They don't
[1:22:16]
just do it
uh carte blanche and say, "Okay, you can
[1:22:19]
just come out and have a new can." If
they go out and there's nothing wrong
[1:22:22]
with it.
>> Well, and I
[1:22:24]
» think so. So, think if they come in and
they pay for a replacement can,
[1:22:28]
» Public Works, we we've taken
>> it?
[1:22:29]
» Yeah.
>> Well, that's what our order says.
[1:22:32]
» Yeah.
>> And maybe we have some compassion on
[1:22:35]
the homeowner that has owned their can
for years.
[1:22:40]
I mean, I can't we use some
some subjectivity there?
[1:22:43]
» Not really cuz in the fee schedule,
that's what it says. And I don't think
[1:22:47]
we want to like we're kind of getting on
the weeds in this. I don't think we want
[1:22:50]
to make it so complicated that it's way
more work for Public Works. So, they've
[1:22:54]
got to look at it and be like, "Oh,
well, they replaced this can." I think
[1:22:57]
we just need that fee to be somewhat of
a deterrent so we don't have everybody
[1:23:02]
coming in. I was looking up what it cost
to get your garbage can cleaned. It
[1:23:05]
looks like it's like 20 bucks a month.
>> Well, yeah. So, why would you clean your
[1:23:09]
can if you get a new one for 25?
>> Well, and but like how many are we
[1:23:13]
really having an abuse? I guess that's
the question. We're replacing five a
[1:23:17]
week, but is it because they're just
dirty or is it because they're broken?
[1:23:21]
» See, that's I I mean, I don't
And that was in response to this
[1:23:25]
conversation. So, I don't think
>> What was?
[1:23:29]
» What Robbie said about the five cans a
week.
[1:23:31]
» Yeah, no. He's
He's listening. He's helping us on this
[1:23:34]
conversation.
>> like it's just like, "Oh, it's been it's
[1:23:38]
old and it's a replacement." It seems
like there has been some abuse of that.
[1:23:43]
» Honestly, if they nudge it to 50, I
think that's fair.
[1:23:46]
» I I'm I'm I'm in favor of that, too. And
then maybe to Jason's point, we have a
[1:23:51]
more lengthy conversation about it.
>> Really?
[1:23:54]
» It's up to you.
>> I think this has been long enough.
[1:23:57]
» [laughter]
>> Yeah, we've talked about trash enough. I
[1:23:58]
I make make a motion that we move out of
the public hearing.
[1:24:02]
» Katie has motioned to close the public
hearing.
[1:24:04]
» Second.
>> Second by Bob. All in favor say aye.
[1:24:08]
» Aye.
>> Aye. We're you're now Public Hearing is
[1:24:11]
now closed. I think everyone knows how
we all feel.
[1:24:14]
Um would we be able to entertain a
motion to approve ordinance 20 26-12
[1:24:22]
modifying the replacement container fee.
>> I will make it a an amended an amendment
[1:24:30]
to ordinance number 2026-12
um modifying the replacement container
[1:24:37]
fee from $25
each replacement [clears throat] to $50
[1:24:42]
each replacement
>> that.
[1:24:44]
» and recommend approval
with that amendment.
[1:24:49]
» I'll second that motion.
>> Okay. A motion by Katie
[1:24:53]
um and a second by
David
[1:25:00]
to approve 2026-12
with
[1:25:06]
the replacement container modified from
25 to $50. Is that correct?
[1:25:12]
» Yes.
>> Correct.
[1:25:13]
» A roll call vote, Bob.
>> Aye.
[1:25:15]
» David
>> Aye.
[1:25:16]
» Katie
>> Aye.
[1:25:17]
» Jason
>> Nay.
[1:25:19]
» No. And Tim
>> Aye.
[1:25:22]
» Okay.
Based on the roll call vote, motion
[1:25:25]
passes with four votes yes, one no.
[1:25:30]
Our next item for consideration
[1:25:34]
uh
[1:25:37]
Jason, thank you, by the way.
>> Yeah. Sure.
[1:25:40]
» Just being willing to stand on principle
and and why you feel that way.
[1:25:44]
» I'm not offended. I just Yeah. It's why
I ran to be up here to make these votes.
[1:25:50]
» Um our next item consideration is
approval of the city fraud and abuse
[1:25:54]
policy. There's a reason why we need to
insert this. Cody's going to explain
[1:25:57]
that real quick.
>> So, this policy So, this is really
[1:26:01]
Liam's policy. I'm just I'm helping
present it. So, um if you remember the
[1:26:06]
next agenda items are five fraud risk
assessments. We get points for the
[1:26:10]
different policies that we have. So,
this is one of them that we've been
[1:26:13]
lacking. So, Liam put this together. Um
I believe he said it was basically taken
[1:26:18]
from the state's template. So, this gets
us a few more points on the next thing.
[1:26:22]
So, we're just bringing this to you to
help strengthen some of the fraud and
[1:26:26]
abuse
and the reporting associated with it in
[1:26:31]
the city.
>> And I've read through it, too. I've read
[1:26:34]
through the complaints and whistleblower
protection.
[1:26:37]
Um the assessment this is I mean it's
it's good policy to have this in the
[1:26:42]
city.
Any discussion on this at all?
[1:26:46]
» No.
>> Looked pretty thorough to me.
[1:26:49]
» Okay. [clears throat]
Is there a motion?
[1:26:52]
» Yeah, I move that we approve
the
[1:26:55]
reporting fraud or abuse
um
[1:26:59]
» policy
>> policy
[1:27:00]
» policy
>> Second.
[1:27:02]
» A motion by Tim and a second by Jason.
All in favor say I.
[1:27:06]
» I.
>> Any opposed?
[1:27:09]
Okay.
Um
[1:27:11]
consider approval of the city fraud and
wait
[1:27:15]
This is an assessment.
>> Second one. This is not a policy.
[1:27:17]
» The fraud risk assessment, right? Is
that the one?
[1:27:20]
» Yep.
>> Um from the office of the state auditor.
[1:27:24]
» So, we're required annually to present
this to you. And as you can see, if you
[1:27:28]
remember what we scored last year, this
is just five points higher. I believe
[1:27:32]
Liam's going to continue working on some
of these other policies to help increase
[1:27:35]
our score. The only place this really
takes an impact is on our audit in our
[1:27:41]
state compliance report. If you look at
the top of page 39, depending upon it
[1:27:46]
says if we're very low, low, or
moderate. Some of this is pretty
[1:27:51]
arbitrary.
Like the point ranking and stuff is just
[1:27:55]
what the state auditor came up with
several years ago. Um and I'm sure Liam
[1:28:00]
will continue to work on some of the
other policies. But, if you have any
[1:28:02]
questions, I can answer them for you.
But, we're just required to present it
[1:28:06]
to you annually.
Um and that's
[1:28:08]
» question I have is to fulfill this, do
we have to take our annual fraud waste
[1:28:13]
and abuse training?
>> Yes.
[1:28:15]
» And get the certificate to validate.
>> I don't believe so.
[1:28:19]
» Haven't we already done that?
>> Um you might have.
[1:28:23]
» I had to do one.
>> Okay.
[1:28:24]
» Yeah, I had to
>> Do you mean your conflict of interest?
[1:28:27]
» why?
>> Yeah.
[1:28:28]
» Just new members have to do it?
>> I think so.
[1:28:30]
» Yeah.
>> Okay.
[1:28:31]
» Yeah.
And some of the other trainings are
[1:28:33]
required for other stuff like the open
and public meetings act training. Like
[1:28:36]
that's a totally different requirement.
This one's just about that assessment.
[1:28:41]
Okay, so
>> Now all that said, um
[1:28:44]
my day job we're very technology
focused. Uh we do these
[1:28:49]
assessments and audits and trainings
with all of our employees every single
[1:28:54]
year. So if we're not having to do that
every single year, that's a pretty low
[1:28:57]
burden on on all of us.
But it wouldn't be out of line to expect
[1:29:03]
everyone to do that training every year.
>> Mhm.
[1:29:06]
» [clears throat]
>> That's why I asked cuz
[1:29:08]
in order for people that I worked for in
the past to get credit
[1:29:12]
like from the state, we had to prove by
our certificate count how many people
[1:29:16]
complied.
>> Got it.
[1:29:19]
» I don't think [clears throat] with this
we have to do that.
[1:29:21]
» Okay. Well, if we do, you'll let us
know.
[1:29:24]
» Yeah.
Yeah.
[1:29:25]
» Here you go.
>> Okay. Thanks, Cody.
[1:29:27]
» That's all that is.
>> We What do we need here? Approval.
[1:29:32]
» the fraud wis fraud risk assessment from
the office of the state auditor.
[1:29:38]
» Second.
>> Motion by
[1:29:41]
uh Bob to approve, second by
Jason. All in favor say I.
[1:29:46]
» I.
>> I.
[1:29:48]
» Any opposed?
Okay, next item is I,
[1:29:53]
um
consideration to cancel
[1:29:57]
our city council meeting on July 2nd,
2026, mainly due to all of the 4th of
[1:30:03]
July Freedom Festival activities. We'll
be very busy that week.
[1:30:09]
» I make a motion we cancel our July 2nd
City Council meeting.
[1:30:13]
» Bob has
>> There's one one little small thing that
[1:30:16]
we have to just consider.
Um the business license that we deferred
[1:30:21]
today
was going to come up next week, so we'll
[1:30:24]
have to defer it another 2 weeks, which
I don't think
[1:30:26]
» Which one are you referencing?
>> The construction
[1:30:30]
the construction company.
>> That we That is not scheduled until we
[1:30:33]
first schedule in a meeting with Liam.
>> Okay.
[1:30:36]
» I thought Well, we I called him
>> with legal.
[1:30:39]
» I called him at your request and told
him we're deferring his
[1:30:43]
action from tonight for 2 weeks. That
would have been on the 2nd.
[1:30:47]
» Um
>> Do you want me to call him again?
[1:30:49]
» Maybe because I don't know what's going
to come from our discussion with legal
[1:30:52]
counsel on that.
>> Okay.
[1:30:54]
» And
Uh that And that's the night of our
[1:30:57]
rodeo. So, we won't be available.
>> And the talent show and several other
[1:31:01]
things.
>> I mean, we just won't have a council
[1:31:03]
available, so I don't know how we'd do
that anyway,
[1:31:05]
» I just wanted some guidance on how to
handle the Hagley Road issue.
[1:31:09]
» Any Any
>> I mean, I think I'd recommend I think
[1:31:11]
that was our marching orders was to have
an offline discussion with him and legal
[1:31:16]
counsel to determine a path forward to
recommend to you.
[1:31:19]
» Well, didn't you already do that?
>> We haven't met with legal and him. So,
[1:31:23]
just so everyone knows, this business
license came before the council 2 weeks
[1:31:28]
ago. There were several issues with what
was being presented,
[1:31:33]
which wasn't permitted in the code.
Uh we didn't have legal here to help us
[1:31:39]
on that night, so we tabled that
decision.
[1:31:42]
When we reached out with Liam, our legal
counsel there, he recommended we set a
[1:31:46]
meeting with this individual based on
his application because of
[1:31:52]
it because of how much isn't permitted
in the code. And he wanted to sit down
[1:31:58]
with them before we brought them back
before the council. That was per our
[1:32:02]
attorney.
So, I think we follow that
[1:32:06]
council before we schedule anything with
him. Is that okay?
[1:32:10]
» That's okay. We just He is anticipating
that he's coming back on the 2nd of July
[1:32:14]
after our last communication with him.
>> So, yeah, let him know that
[1:32:17]
» I'll just let him know. That's all I was
asking.
[1:32:19]
» And I don't even know if we let him know
when the next one will be in
[1:32:22]
» say it's open-ended.
>> Well, let's let's just tell him it'll be
[1:32:25]
based on the meeting
>> Okay.
[1:32:27]
» with legal counsel.
>> Okay.
[1:32:29]
» Is that okay? Does that sound right to
everybody?
[1:32:32]
» to know what to tell him.
>> Okay. I think that's the right move.
[1:32:35]
» I'd like to second Katie's motion.
>> Okay.
[1:32:38]
» Cancel.
>> We will
[1:32:41]
motion by Katie to
>> Cancel.
[1:32:45]
» Wait a minute. Just
>> Cancel the July 2nd City Council
[1:32:48]
meeting.
>> I got lost there for a minute. To cancel
[1:32:51]
the July 2nd City Council meeting and
who seconded that? Jason?
[1:32:56]
All in favor say I.
>> I.
[1:32:59]
» Any opposed?
Okay. That council meeting has been
[1:33:02]
canceled.
Now we are finally at our
[1:33:07]
follow-up remarks and those that
submitted have been reviewed.
[1:33:12]
Let's just go down cuz we have so much
going on. Tim, do you have anything to
[1:33:15]
report?
>> tonight.
[1:33:17]
» Jason?
>> No, I sent email with any any comments
[1:33:20]
ahead.
>> Okay. Katie?
[1:33:22]
» I did leave a couple of things off of my
report that I forgot in the interim.
[1:33:27]
» Yeah.
>> Um the RFP for the general plan
[1:33:32]
update is going out. We've looked at we
have kind of a short list of about seven
[1:33:38]
to eight seven or eight firms that we
that they that WFRC is going to ask to
[1:33:46]
propose on
on our general plan update. And then
[1:33:53]
once we get those RFPs back, we will
have kind of like an a
[1:33:57]
um an advisory committee to kind of go
through and score those proposals to
[1:34:02]
select a contractor to do the general
plan update.
[1:34:06]
So, we'll be asking a few people from
planning commission to help out with
[1:34:09]
that review of those
um proposals to select a contractor.
[1:34:14]
And then um
we are at our last parks committee
[1:34:19]
parks committee meeting we discussed um
you know, we had a lot a great
[1:34:24]
outcry of support for
community members um helping maintain
[1:34:30]
the pump track when we had our last
conversation about the pump track. Uh
[1:34:36]
the parks committee is going to host a
pump track maintenance
[1:34:41]
um organizing meeting
uh sometime in the next month and so all
[1:34:46]
of those that
want to be involved with maintaining the
[1:34:51]
pump track um we they're invited to come
to that meeting and we'll discuss
[1:34:56]
assignments and uh responsibilities and
get those people that uh were so
[1:35:02]
passionate about the pump track and
dedicating time to it put to work.
[1:35:07]
Um so, I'll let everybody know when that
meeting is. And then
[1:35:11]
just a follow up to my question about
the business license for the fireworks
[1:35:15]
stand on the corner
of 1800 and 2000.
[1:35:20]
» [clears throat]
>> What happens if they don't come in for a
[1:35:23]
temporary business license?
>> Um well, they're operating illegally in
[1:35:28]
our city as are
we know some
[1:35:32]
home businesses, same thing.
Um at that point
[1:35:37]
where it's temporary, by the time we get
our code enforcement officer out there,
[1:35:41]
they're probably gone.
>> Yeah.
[1:35:43]
» So, I don't know. I mean
>> We just try to make sure that they don't
[1:35:45]
have something already. They've been
there every year. I don't know if
[1:35:48]
there's any kind of
>> We don't have time to communicate. They
[1:35:51]
generally set up and start reselling to
people for come in
[1:35:55]
the state
celebrations.
[1:35:57]
» Do you know him? Does anyone know him?
I don't know him either. Maybe I could
[1:36:02]
pay a visit to him and just ask him
you know, you're willing to come in and
[1:36:06]
get a business license. It's simple.
It's easy to do.
[1:36:09]
» Except for we don't have the
time to approve it before the
[1:36:13]
» I don't think we have to approve it. I
think only certain business license
[1:36:19]
licenses raise to the threshold of
needing city council approval. There's a
[1:36:23]
lot that the office just approves when
they come in.
[1:36:26]
We're not approving every single
business license that comes to the
[1:36:29]
office.
>> They'll set this up now for the 4th,
[1:36:32]
close it down, open it again for the
24th for 3 or 4 days, and then they'll
[1:36:35]
go away.
Um
[1:36:38]
» So, could we prevent them from opening
back up if they
[1:36:40]
» Well, we could, but I think we got to
find out what the precedent for them
[1:36:44]
being here is. I don't know what that
is.
[1:36:48]
» I also wonder if there's a realistic
possibility that they think they got a
[1:36:51]
business license a year before, and so
they're
[1:36:54]
» And then it just grandfathers.
>> Well, if it's the same person, no.
[1:36:57]
» Or do they get a business license for
several Or is it grandfathered in a
[1:37:01]
separate
>> umbrella?
[1:37:02]
» I don't think anyone's
>> I don't know how you'd get that on a
[1:37:05]
temporary license.
>> Covers, I don't know.
[1:37:07]
Do you want me to pull a good gas on it,
too? Do you make them go to the fire
[1:37:10]
district and get their fire inspection
and registration with them, too?
[1:37:13]
» Well, the guy that came today
>> He didn't.
[1:37:16]
» Cuz I believe technically they're
supposed to. So, I'm just saying if
[1:37:18]
you're making them get a temporary here,
you probably ought to make them go
[1:37:21]
there, too.
Cuz that's as big a part as
[1:37:24]
» Yeah, that's that's just my biggest
concern. I'm like, we have this guy came
[1:37:27]
in and we're not enforcing it equally
across the board.
[1:37:31]
» That's a good
>> Well, we need to go over there and see.
[1:37:34]
There's nobody there.
>> Nobody there till they open up.
[1:37:36]
» you're ask I don't know, but I can
follow up with legal and find out, and
[1:37:41]
then we'll know what then we'll know
going forward what the steps will be.
[1:37:44]
» Can sheriff over
>> That's a good question, though.
[1:37:47]
» Yeah, it is.
>> 2%
[1:37:49]
» And you only get that because it's a
temporary license.
[1:37:52]
» Mhm.
>> And in this in this instance, it's a
[1:37:55]
three or four-week license. They're
done.
[1:37:59]
Okay. Anything else?
>> That's it.
[1:38:02]
» Great comments, Bob.
David?
[1:38:04]
» Nothing else.
>> Just I have a couple things just make
[1:38:07]
sure everyone's aware of. Um
First, there's been a lot of questions
[1:38:12]
being asked about cameras that are set
up throughout the city. You've probably
[1:38:15]
seen them as you've dropped driven
around. They're on top of the
[1:38:19]
uh lot most of them are on top of the
speed limit signs. That is we know about
[1:38:24]
that. Big Brother is not watching over
us. Uh that is for a Those are for
[1:38:29]
traffic studies being done that we've
contracted with um
[1:38:33]
to look for improvements for traffic
study for traffic for improvements on
[1:38:38]
our roads. Uh maybe future lights and
and roundabouts and stuff like that. So,
[1:38:44]
there's purpose behind that. That's why
they're there.
[1:38:47]
Um I wanted to reply report back on we
had I had
[1:38:52]
asked UDOT for some help on 2700
specific to the 2575 West intersection.
[1:39:01]
Um
This is
[1:39:03]
Jason, this is where you were famous on
the news.
[1:39:06]
» Oh, yeah.
>> Um
[1:39:08]
I I had asked and and
asked them about the condition of or
[1:39:14]
status of a traffic signal going in
there
[1:39:18]
asking if we could have a roundabout as
well.
[1:39:21]
Uh Council, I put you on that email. I
think you saw their response.
[1:39:26]
They
will be conducting another traffic study
[1:39:29]
this fall in that location
specifically after school set school is
[1:39:34]
back in session.
Following that traffic study will
[1:39:38]
determine what the the steps are,
whether they authorize a signal.
[1:39:43]
They basically did say they're not going
to put a roundabout there. They they
[1:39:47]
don't want to consider one there.
So, they will consider a traffic signal
[1:39:51]
there pending the traffic study.
So, again, a lot of that's out of our
[1:39:56]
our control. You know them very well.
>> No.
[1:39:59]
» [laughter]
>> So, when they do the traffic study,
[1:40:01]
everybody just drive that route.
>> I know. As soon as we know that they're
[1:40:04]
conducting it, we'll send out a memo. Go
Go drive.
[1:40:08]
» route. Yeah, that's good.
>> Don't get
[1:40:10]
» I'll never I didn't say that.
>> They'll get plenty of action just from
[1:40:12]
the local traffic though, from the
school.
[1:40:15]
Um the next thing from UDot there was
also the consideration to move the
[1:40:21]
school crossing where Hogel's Corner is,
to move it back by the canal.
[1:40:26]
Um and or combine the traffic or the the
the crossing at Walk West Junior High
[1:40:33]
to eliminate the multiple movement on
that road. They just simply won't do it.
[1:40:38]
They they They they They have their
reasons. They feel like that it's based
[1:40:43]
on their studies,
uh the intersection of Hogel's Corner
[1:40:46]
with where the signals already exist,
they feel are safer
[1:40:50]
for the kids to cross where cars are
already planning to stop from for the
[1:40:55]
lights.
Um
[1:40:57]
they have data to to to back that up and
support that decision. Again, these are
[1:41:02]
UDot roads. Those are that's their
decisions. We have asked them to
[1:41:06]
consider these changes. They've refused
at that point because for their for
[1:41:11]
valid reasons that they have data to
support.
[1:41:15]
Um then the question was asked, "What
about if we do our tunnel
[1:41:20]
project and trying to get
traffic or trying to get crossings off
[1:41:25]
that road
during heavy traffic areas?" They will
[1:41:29]
consider it at that point. So, if we can
as a as a city put that as a priority
[1:41:36]
and I think that is a priority by by us
to try to
[1:41:40]
figure out how to
budget for and receive grants for
[1:41:46]
what Utah what those
the students from Utah State came out
[1:41:50]
presented to us to install a tunnel
tunnel crossing near the canal.
[1:41:57]
At that point UDOT would consider maybe
allowing that crossing for the students
[1:42:02]
to move and consolidate to the tunnel.
So, there
[1:42:07]
Did any comments on that?
>> And I just also let you know so UDOT has
[1:42:14]
a uh
prioritization and programming schedule
[1:42:18]
for not just investments in highways,
but investments in active transportation
[1:42:25]
and pedestrian safety. And the 2700
North overpass
[1:42:33]
that
or underpass is on the ranked list for
[1:42:38]
the active transportation improvement
fund, so the A tip
[1:42:43]
which puts it in
which puts it in that um
[1:42:49]
constrained category that first phase
with so
[1:42:54]
um
with the ranking there. It's lower
[1:42:57]
ranked but we can do things to increase
the ranking and then once funding
[1:43:03]
becomes available, they fund projects
based off of them being on this list.
[1:43:09]
And so that underpass or overpass is on
this list for consideration for funding
[1:43:14]
from UDOT.
>> So, I question maybe you don't know
[1:43:18]
if we were to be able to budget for and
raise or raise funds for that project
[1:43:24]
through other means, would that help
them push that up on priority?
[1:43:29]
» Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:43:32]
And and I bring that up, you know, to go
back to the Advantage Development, one
[1:43:37]
of the things that we worked really hard
in that negotiation with them was to was
[1:43:43]
to
create a developer contribution to the
[1:43:46]
city,
which is in the in the
[1:43:49]
realm of about $4,000 per lot.
And on 336 lots, if you do the math,
[1:43:56]
it's about a $1.5 million chunk to the
city.
[1:44:01]
Um we now have some significant funds we
can start in a budget to maybe move this
[1:44:06]
forward make it a reality sooner sooner
than later.
[1:44:10]
» I think this is one thing that we
continue to lobby the region for in the
[1:44:13]
our meetings with them.
And that and you know, it's that is in
[1:44:18]
the same position as the 2700
>> Mhm.
[1:44:21]
» North interchanges. It's it's on the
list. Now, how the commission decides to
[1:44:26]
fund it is up to the commission and we
need to utilize our partners at the
[1:44:32]
region to
>> office.
[1:44:34]
» to help us
lot to help us
[1:44:38]
make the commission realize how
important those are to us.
[1:44:43]
» Make sense.
[1:44:45]
Great.
The last thing from UDot there was they
[1:44:49]
are conducting currently conducting a
traffic study on 2000
[1:44:54]
um near where the old where the public
works building facilities are across the
[1:44:59]
street from that church to install a
beacon signal
[1:45:04]
and a and a crossing walk. So, that
>> over on Harrisville Road.
[1:45:09]
» Yep. And they said and and I'll just let
everyone know the reason that was
[1:45:14]
increased on their priority list and
this is what um
[1:45:18]
What's her name?
>> Carrie?
[1:45:20]
» No.
>> Paige?
[1:45:22]
» Paige.
Paige said the reason that was bumped up
[1:45:25]
is cuz of all of the residents sending
in that
[1:45:29]
not complaint but the
issue you know you can submit an issue
[1:45:33]
to UDot. That's how that was bumped up.
So, kudos to the residents you and that
[1:45:37]
made a difference. And that And I think
all of us have told have a have helped
[1:45:42]
the residents understand how to do that.
>> And I think similarly for the underpass
[1:45:48]
and 1400 at 2700, that same kind of
community support
[1:45:53]
» So, what is it?
>> goes along with
[1:45:55]
» It It there's a there's a place on the
UDot website
[1:46:00]
re- region one where you can go into
It's like submitting a ticket.
[1:46:03]
» Okay.
>> And you can go in there and explain what
[1:46:06]
the issue is and where it's at.
They had a ton of residents supply that
[1:46:10]
for this location. So, to Katie's point,
the more that do that at 2700
[1:46:15]
for these two items, that that helps
voice our concern.
[1:46:19]
» This is a squeaky wheel issue.
>> It really is.
[1:46:21]
» region, reach out to the transportation
commission. They're public bodies just
[1:46:25]
like us and accept public comment.
>> Great. Um and then just lastly, everyone
[1:46:31]
knows our 4th of July Freedom Festival.
Uh you'll start to see a bunch of
[1:46:35]
banners and posters being hung. Lots of
announcements have gone out. Our kickoff
[1:46:40]
begins next Friday with uh Casey Elliott
from from Gentry
[1:46:45]
um and the Mountain Thunder um What
are they called? The shoot the
[1:46:51]
» Mountain Thunder shooting.
>> Yeah, Utah Mountain Thunder. That's
[1:46:54]
going to be awesome. But we're excited
to kick that off on Friday and then that
[1:46:58]
kind of that whole next the whole next
week is filled with events. So, uh check
[1:47:03]
out our new website farwestcity.gov.
That That has all of the events and
[1:47:08]
items uh listed there. If you want to be
notified in real time, um download our
[1:47:14]
city app by go by going to um
by searching for Penny, p e n y, and you
[1:47:21]
can download our new city app and and
we've had several residents reach out
[1:47:25]
and say, "Hey, this is cool. I'm getting
notified every time you make an make an
[1:47:30]
announcement or every time every time
there's a new
[1:47:34]
new event, you're getting a ping in your
phone letting you know." So, if you want
[1:47:37]
to be notified in real time, that's
where it happens is on the our new city
[1:47:41]
app. Uh that's all I have.
>> Did you say .net or .gov?
[1:47:45]
» .gov
>> Okay.
[1:47:47]
» Not I know what it is. I just want to
make sure that's what it was saying.
[1:47:50]
» I hope I said .gov. Far West City.gov
That is our new website and .net will be
[1:47:57]
decommissioning
Already? It's already forwarding to
[1:48:01]
.gov, so
It is up and running. We'll make a
[1:48:05]
formal announcement next week. We didn't
want to cloud with all the 4th of July
[1:48:09]
announcements, but
There's one last
[1:48:12]
thing there.
>> I'd like to move we adjourn.
[1:48:15]
» Motion by Jason to adjourn.
>> Second.
[1:48:18]
» Second by Tim and Katie.
All in favor say I.
[1:48:22]
» I.
>> I.
[1:48:23]
» I.
>> Motion
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Thanks, everyone.
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» I was going to
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» months
>> for any of this calendar year to be