[3:42] Look like meatless.

[3:50] Did you add any more seasoning or anything to it?

[4:01] Did you like it? Not bad.

[4:29] I'm going to go this

[12:16] Great. Okay, perfect.

[13:13] There you go.

[13:18] I know.

[13:41] » Can you guys hear me?

[13:50] Everybody come and council that go forward. We'd like

[13:56] to welcome you to thisformational session uh for what we have tonight for

[14:00] the um proposed data center. Um everything is just proposed and what

[14:05] you're going to hear is what we're looking to propose. Nothing has been

[14:09] decided. Nothing is nothing has been signed. Nothing has been done. Um we're

[14:12] just in conversation and this is here for you to collect information. There's

[14:17] a lot of information out there good and bad on data centers. Um so what you're

[14:21] going to hear is their project and not the projects that have been done 10

[14:24] years ago, five years ago, two years ago. It's the project that they're

[14:28] proposing. Um so first I'd like to give a little bit of background um for how

[14:33] this came about. Um I was approached u the town was approached and I was

[14:38] approached on April 282nd or April 23rd. Um and we had a meeting with uh the

[14:44] county officials uh which they had been approached um by the um developers and

[14:50] they were interested in looking at a study uh in Caroline County to be able

[14:54] to then facilitate a data center. Um shortly after that um I had a chat with

[15:00] council. I thought it was confidential. Apparently once it was released at the

[15:06] um legislative breakfast, uh Senator Johnny and Commissioner Porter um had

[15:12] talked about it at the legislative breakfast. Um after that on um May 12th,

[15:18] um we had a meeting out at the um at the site at the proposed site. Uh it was

[15:24] offered up to mayor and council um to meet with the site to take a look to see

[15:28] what they were looking to do. Um and I could make it because I work um and any

[15:34] other members of the council could not attend. So I I was the one that attended

[15:38] it. Um so I would like to um the process for any has been through any of this

[15:44] information before work. Um we went through this with Aquacon. There is a

[15:48] two-stage process. There is one that is legislation that makes something

[15:52] allowable and then there is two which is the project itself moving forward. Um

[16:00] not equal the other. So if we were to allow different regulations data

[16:06] [snorts] center, it doesn't mean that this would be the problem that is going

[16:10] separate us. Uh just keep that in mind. Um I'd like to um introduce um some

[16:17] speakers that we have tonight. Um we have um Kelly Schulz to the CEO of the

[16:23] Maryland Tech Council. And then we have David Reich and Sheldon

[16:32] Whoa. Okay. [snorts] Um, so Dave and Michelle are going to be

[16:36] the ones that will be presenting. Um, so we will go ahead and get started. I want

[16:42] to be here with Kelly. >> Perfect. Thank you so much. Um, it's

[16:47] great to be here in Federal in Carol County. So, just for the record, I don't

[16:53] have the projects. Um, I'm here just to talk about data centers, what they are

[16:58] and what they are not, and some of the facts that we've been able to accumulate

[17:02] over a period of time. The Maryland Tech Council, and I'm sorry, is

[17:11] ahead. That's right. Um, so the Maryland Tech Council last year,

[17:18] um, we had heard from this. Yeah.

[17:23] Um we decided that there was a lot of conversations happening around the role

[17:28] of data centers in the state of Maryland but also in several local jurisdictions.

[17:33] Um so a lot of people came to us policy makers, community members, industry

[17:38] representatives to work asking us to join to be able to create new um around

[17:44] people to educate communities and elected officials on this topic because

[17:49] there was so much misinformation out there. So, at the Maryland Tech Council

[17:53] last year, right on the sign last year, we created what's called the data center

[17:56] alliance and we're a nonprofit organization, we literally spend our

[18:02] time going around to different communities talking about this type of

[18:05] information so that you can ask the questions that you think need.

[18:10] So, I've given this presentation a lot.

[18:14] » I think maybe, but I'm not in control of that. is can anybody turn the lights on

[18:20] so that they can see the screen? I would need a different diploma in

[18:26] order to be able to manage that. Is that better?

[18:32] Is that good for everyone? Okay, good. All right. So, we're going

[18:37] to start out about uh why the data centers are in demand. I'm sure all of

[18:42] you know the answers to all these questions, but data centers are in

[18:45] demand because we're demanding them. We're demanding data. We're demanding an

[18:49] industry that is supportive of our social lifestyle. So, think of

[18:53] everything that you do. Think of your banking. Think of education. Thinking of

[18:58] shopping online. Everything that you do today with those really smartphones and

[19:03] the computers and the ATMs and wherever we go in the world today is collecting

[19:08] data. Right? In a long time ago, I remember this because I'm super old. A

[19:14] long time ago, we used to have these server rooms. So, if anybody could

[19:18] remember the server rooms in all the office buildings, that was their data

[19:22] center back in the day. Now, we've just kind of made them efficient. We've moved

[19:28] them into one big building. So, those offices really don't have those server

[19:32] rooms anymore into the office buildings carrying people's individual data.

[19:37] They're sending their data to the cloud. It's not up there. The cloud is actually

[19:44] the data center and what's happening with the collection of all that data and

[19:48] you can see with some of these charts and they're smart enough to read them

[19:52] but over the course of the next 10 years the workload of data science has been

[19:58] double and not just because of

[20:04] AI which everybody thinks that's the case but because of everything else that

[20:09] we do in our world in order to be able to accommodate the collection

[20:13] the distribution and the consumption of data.

[20:18] And this is kind of what anybody plays video games or word

[20:25] or scrabble on your phone, right? All of that is done through all of this. You

[20:29] share photos online. Somebody in the world in the AI world said, "Kelly, if

[20:34] you're watching Netflix on your laptop, please don't download it because if you

[20:38] download it, it's taking up space in the cloud in the media center. just watch

[20:42] that on my screen. So don't download the your Netflix.

[20:47] So a lot of what we've done with the data center alliance, the Maryland Tech

[20:51] Council is to be able to create some studies about what it looks like when

[20:56] economic impact in local communities and the state, but we're talking about an

[21:00] average size base, right? So this is an average size data

[21:05] center. Let's just say 800,000 square feet. And this is the total impact. on

[21:11] the average size aid center, the number of direct and indirect jobs, the

[21:16] economic activity, and the permanent jobs supported at one operation. Now,

[21:21] that's probably not going to mean much to you, but as we walk through this,

[21:24] you're going to know what that 800,000 square feet gate center could possibly

[21:29] look. So with that, let's just say 5,000 uh potential jobs that are created and

[21:36] then tax revenue that's created from that with the state tax revenues alone

[21:41] for that average 800,000 square foot data center. That amount of tax revenue

[21:47] could theoretically make for 171 police officers

[21:52] in the county. 194

[21:57] or 165 teachers. That's just how we break it down so

[22:02] people can conceptualize that. So what's happening right now? We're going to get

[22:07] back to this, but what is happening right now in the city as it uh compares

[22:12] to what wasn't happening in the city. We have some members here from your local

[22:18] IDW. Are they here? Can you raise your hand? The guys in the yellow shirts,

[22:24] they just got off the job site. They came here. They probably all live in

[22:27] suburban county. They're probably not working in the county right now. Am I

[22:31] correct, guys? Yeah. So right now there's one project that's happening.

[22:37] There is an it's on the ground shovels to the ground electricity lines and

[22:41] water lines going in and that project is in Frederick County. That's called the

[22:45] Quantum Frederick project. That's a larger project. I'm assuming that what

[22:49] David and Sheldon are going to be proposing here. That's a large it's

[22:53] taking over Brown and Frederick County and it's about 2100 acres that they're

[22:58] building multiple data centers on. So this information I'm going to give you

[23:01] is kind of that information of what's happening there right now just as a

[23:05] comparison as to what could have happened. We have three to 400 electric

[23:09] purpose. I bet I could update this slide from when it was last updated. There's

[23:12] probably more than three or 400 um prefabrication facilities that are hired

[23:18] right out of the county of Frederick apprentichip classes. Frederick now has

[23:23] its first apprentichip program that they've ever had because of the data

[23:27] center. And that means people are going to work in their county that they live

[23:31] in every single day. 240 apprentices. That's the most they've ever had, right?

[23:37] It's like the most ever apprenticeships this year. And they're one and they're

[23:41] all employed right now today. So, let's talk about that Frederick

[23:47] County project where we have people on site in GA. Once completed, that project

[23:53] for the county, not the state, will generate around $215 [snorts] million in

[24:00] county tax revenues every year.

[24:06] That's about a quarter of their current whole county budget at this moment in

[24:12] time.

[24:17] Let's talk about recreation taxes. I know this is like way over my head

[24:21] sometimes, but I've gotten used to this slide. Recreation taxes are what a

[24:25] jurisdiction, a county collects outside of the state tax revenue, outside of

[24:30] your ongoing property tax records. This is a one-time recreation tax for any

[24:35] real estate sale, whether it's commercial or residential.

[24:38] In one year at Frederick County, they collected over $50 million in one-time

[24:44] recreational taxes. Your county may collect them

[24:48] differently. I don't know. I can't can't say that. But in Frederick County, they

[24:53] have statutoily in their budget how much recreation taxes go to very specific

[24:58] programs. This in Frederick County is how I have it broken up as the funding

[25:03] that goes into each one of these programs. And I just want to point out

[25:06] one word and that's the 12.6 million in act preservation.

[25:13] In 2025, Frederick County was the only county in

[25:17] the state that was able to put any land in a preservation because the state cut

[25:25] off funding to a local community in St. because of state funding budget cuts.

[25:31] Frederick County was aiming for 12.6 $60 million

[25:35] of land and to add preservation because of these recreation tests.

[25:42] And before [clears throat] I go on to the water issue, I just want to say this

[25:46] is for anybody here that's a taxpayer that's looking at anything over the

[25:52] course of the next three years, the state budget according to state

[25:56] officials will be at about a$9 billion deficit.

[26:01] And that means if you're paying attention, which tender you all are,

[26:06] that they're going to give you less support going to local jurisdictions in

[26:10] those three years because they're going to have to conserve that money to the

[26:13] incorporate level. So what I tell every local jurisdiction

[26:18] that I go into, you have to be prepared at some level for even less funding to

[26:23] the local jurisdictions in the counties.

[26:27] You have to make up that revenue of that funding somehow.

[26:32] Doing it with commercial development is a whole lot easier on you as a taxpayer

[26:41] than them coming to the presidential tax with that. Okay. So, we're going to talk

[26:46] a little bit about um some of the issues that people talk about a lot when it

[26:50] comes to the data centers and it just kind of dispels the myths. This is about

[26:54] the water issue. There's been a lot of conversation about how much water this

[27:00] data center needs to be used. And I've talked to lots and lots of developers

[27:04] all along the east coast. And what I can tell you is all along the east coast,

[27:08] those developers really are not using any of your water. They're not using the

[27:13] aqua field. There's something in the case called the closed loop system. So

[27:19] the closed loop system works with local jurisdictions in order to take water by

[27:24] water from the wastewater treatment facility run it through the systems like

[27:29] your radiator right so it's cooling all the the pipes and the servers and then

[27:34] that water once it's done cooling cycle it goes back to the waste water

[27:37] treatment plant in order to be used so that's what they're using right now I'll

[27:42] have the project team talk about what their plans might be but that is typical

[27:46] for data centers on the east coast to the United States at this point. And

[27:51] divided by an average golf course, this is a fact, an average golf course uses

[27:57] 97% more water annually than a day.

[28:04] An almond farm, even more. And by the way, we're at Maryland

[28:10] Technical.com and all of these reports and the data and the facts are all cited

[28:15] on our website. So please visit the Maryland Tech Council website and look

[28:19] that citation is there for you to work on. So home races people also are

[28:24] concerned about the values of their homes. I would say the one study that we

[28:28] reference frequently is from Len County Virginia. Len county Virginia is the

[28:33] largest conglomeration of data centers on the planet. There is no other place

[28:39] on earth that has more data centers than their jurisdiction than countless. That

[28:44] goes back to the AOL times. that goes back to L started the internet but their

[28:49] loan prices in L county where all the data centers are are growing at a faster

[28:55] rate with the home prices than the rest of Virginia.

[29:01] So this is where the conversation starts with you and your local governments,

[29:06] right? So the county and the towns and the cities,

[29:12] they have all of these land tools at their fingertips. So they can go through

[29:17] what those dart rails should be based on the concerns of their local

[29:21] constituents. Right? So you can write in there anything that you need into

[29:26] whatever zoning text or additional statutory obligations that you might

[29:33] need that you might ask your county or your local officials to look into it.

[29:37] Some of these are examples of what certain need they don't have to be

[29:41] followed by anyone but they're examples of what local jurisdictions have already

[29:45] done to be able to satisfy the concerns of their constituents. One thing which I

[29:50] thought was great. They said that in Frederick County with all of the

[29:54] invested we have no more than 1% of all of our land in Frederick County

[30:01] will be able to be utilized as a data center.

[30:05] And so they created that statute that's part of law not.

[30:10] But they also said for every 1 acre of data center land,

[30:18] five acres of that will be paid by the developer to go into act preservation

[30:23] plan. That way for county can continue to be a

[30:28] rural town. You can also put things in there um for noise, right? So noise

[30:34] buffers, you can use tree plantings. There's lots of different things that

[30:37] you can do in order to control the future development of the industrial

[30:42] programs that are happening in your area.

[30:45] This is just an example of go through this right now, but um the the noise

[30:50] decibb as what it means as people think about how close data centers may or may

[30:56] not be to a populated area. You probably have less of a risk out here in Carolyn

[31:00] than you would in other more populated areas in the state. So energy is

[31:08] without a doubt energy is a big deal. The state of Maryland we are a net

[31:15] purchaser of energy. That means that we purchase more energy by a lot than what

[31:21] we actually need. So the cost of our energy is going to higher with other

[31:28] states that produce their own energy. So there's lots of conversations that are

[31:33] happening at the state level and in some local levels about how do you anticipate

[31:39] the energy usage of these new commercial industrial development sites. There's

[31:45] some legislation that says the living users have to bring their own energy.

[31:50] They're going to have to create an energy supply and energy resource in

[31:54] order for them to be able to supply that energy to where um they're going to be

[31:59] creating their energy. But in this year in 2026 here uh passed by the house to

[32:06] the senate signed by governor the utility relief act it is the intent of

[32:11] the general assembly that residential retail electrical customers in this

[32:15] state should not bear the financial risks associated with large consumers

[32:20] interconnecting to the electrical risk. So they are doing everything that they

[32:25] can so that all of the costs that are adjourned by the development of these

[32:30] high load users are borne by active commercial development and not by

[32:35] residential use. So there's actually several studies out

[32:42] there again if you go to our website you'll be able to see the actual full

[32:45] studies on them that show that data centers can actually help to reduce

[32:49] electricity versus every time I say that people want to build platform but I'm

[32:55] telling you it's the actual truth and there are many studies from other

[33:00] jurisdictions around the country because when you have a commercial base

[33:06] of utility costs. It reduces the price of the residential rate payment. That's

[33:14] how that works. And I'm happy to answer them in a Q&A if anybody wants to get

[33:17] into what that actually looks like. But we do have the studies from three

[33:21] different jurisdictions that talk about how they were able to reduce their

[33:26] residential costs. These are the three areas, Pacific

[33:30] Gardner. They cut their rates by 11%. saying that was because they had the

[33:36] data centers come in who pay a higher price already for energy. That's the

[33:40] law. They don't pay the same price for their energy usage as we do. They

[33:45] already pay a higher price. And now in areas like the state and other states,

[33:49] there's actually an additional terror that's added onto that in order to be

[33:53] able to supplement the use of not only the penalty, but the renewal of new

[33:59] transition lines, any updates to the system and

[34:07] I'm done with um I think it's really important um for

[34:12] us to have a dialogue. So again, I will thank the mayor. I will thank the county

[34:17] commissioners and the town and the county in and of themselves and all of

[34:21] you for being here to listen to this presentation because there's a lot of

[34:25] actual information that's out there and we just invite all of you to be educated

[34:30] residents and members of our community in order to be able to ask those

[34:34] questions that are going to need most of us for the future. So thank you very

[34:37] much.

[34:49] That is not important.

[35:09] ladies and gentlemen be the moderator tonight.

[35:13] First want to uh thank everyone for coming out the mayor councilber

[35:21] county council the state representatives that are official here.

[35:26] But before we get started at the time of the presentation,

[35:30] we're going to give some guidelines for afterwards.

[35:36] There's going to be a question and answer for section.

[35:40] Um the first ones that be to answer questions will be the mayor and town

[35:46] council. Um

[35:50] then the county council uh then it will be the town resident

[35:56] any state representatives or any other outside members outside of

[36:02] fellows are

[36:07] uh to ensure as many people's class participate

[36:11] in each commentary we will have a two-minut time limit

[36:17] the speakers in the middle call when the two-minute mark is reached.

[36:21] They may briefly finish their thoughts and you will be notified when the

[36:27] two-minute time. We ask that the speakers direct comments

[36:32] through meeting the moderator remain respectful and avoid interruptions while

[36:38] others are speaking. We also ask that participants try not to duplicate

[36:43] questions that have already been asked so that everyone has a fair opportunity

[36:48] to ask their own questions and raise their own concerns.

[36:54] Um there will be an additional followup question and answer session going

[36:59] forward. Details of this session will be announced at the next town meeting.

[37:05] At this time we will start with a presentation

[37:12] the first present I believe is going to be uh from

[37:17] council that

[37:26] okay so the first one's going to be MI qualities presentation by David Wright

[37:34] and after have the other presenters. Leave a hand circle.

[37:46] » All right. Well, thank you very much. First off, thanks for inviting us here.

[37:52] I mean, this is your community and we're guest.

[37:58] One of the things that my grandmother used to say to me, England as I was a

[38:02] little kid, she used to say it, people [clears throat] don't care

[38:06] about what you know until they know how much you care.

[38:14] So what we're doing here today, myself and and Sheldon Bloom is the owner of

[38:22] the property and the pro. The reason we're here today is because

[38:28] each one of you deserve to hear from us what we

[38:37] s

[38:40] 200 acres of it. But that's why we're that's why we're here.

[38:45] My background is I've spent 20 years in corporate real estate in tech

[38:51] finance. I' I've participated in the building of data centers and I can tell

[38:56] you some data centers that have been built in retrospect are all the things

[39:01] that you've got data center the bad things you hear about the rest

[39:06] what I'm here to share with you today is that best

[39:11] and we're going to we're going to talk to you about it. Now, there's some who

[39:15] are going to say, "You're a developer. I don't believe you. Therefore,

[39:21] um, you know, why are you talking about talking to each other? Developers

[39:27] lying when they're moving their lips, right?"

[39:32] Okay. I've heard it. So, let's just get together now. Okay. And let's have a

[39:38] little let's have a little conversation about what we really intend to to do

[39:42] here. We're going to answer each one of your questions. We're going to tell you

[39:46] what we're doing and we'll get into be transparent. This isn't the first time

[39:51] this one town hall. We'll have as many town halls as necessary so that you get

[39:58] comfortable with us and you can hear as much information as as um as you

[40:22] You can tell I'm not a performer. So feedback. All right. So let's go to

[40:31] the next next slide here.

[40:35] Would

[40:45] it be better if you just push the button?

[40:48] » I can. [laughter]

[40:53] I believe this

[41:16] scared.

[41:19] approved.

[41:38] Yes.

[42:05] David.

[43:35] Okay, I think we're

[43:48] All

[43:58] right. Thank you. Thank you.

[44:12] » All right. So

[44:18] our team here today is uh Marcel and

[44:24] I'm going to give an opportunity to introduce each.

[44:30] » Good evening everybody. Thank you all for joining us. Um together with my

[44:35] partner Sh over there we are very familiar with the shore. you've been uh

[44:40] now been working for about 10 years across Eastern Shore. We really

[44:45] appreciate working with the the employees that we work with and all the

[44:49] locals and uh when we picked this we felt like Father would be a great place

[44:56] to build together and uh looking forward to having your input and comments and

[45:04] we're here to answer all your questions. David

[45:15] But so we just do that. One of the things

[45:20] we'd like to do is we our purpose that we want to demonstrate our fellow.

[45:29] So we're here talking this evening.

[45:34] If anybody is going to come to the community, they should address you. No

[45:39] agenda, but to talk to you. You deserve to have

[45:44] the questions or ask questions and have them answer.

[45:50] Our commitment that we're making is that our project will be thought with your

[45:58] feedback. We will build [clears throat]

[46:01] responsibility and he's not reversible. I know what

[46:07] building responsibly looks like and what it doesn't look like. I've been in this

[46:12] industry for a long time now for the last years particularly

[46:19] and we've done some great things and we've done some things that we should be

[46:23] doing over but we're going to do a we'll talk about that.

[46:30] We will invest in design and we'll take into consideration

[46:36] environmental stewardship. We'll get into more specifics about

[46:40] that. We'll look to the construction

[46:46] on the community and most importantly we will earn your

[46:51] trust. If we don't have our trust, if we don't

[46:54] have what you think. Next slide, please.

[47:03] So, what is Phil is envisioned as a Michigan

[47:12] uh campus. there.

[47:16] But we also envisioned that there will be a controlled environment,

[47:22] job training, YouTube

[47:26] and onsite information. So they'll be one of the biggest centers

[47:32] on the campus and we will design complaints with community income service

[47:38] and account. Next slide. Thank you.

[47:44] So, initially when we had the slide,

[47:49] it was boxes and Shelley and I talked about it. And

[47:55] even though we don't have an official plan, we wanted to show you a pictorial

[48:01] reference of what that would look like. And the reason is because box is behind

[48:06] the fire. We wanted to show you what we're

[48:10] thinking about essentially. This is not improved design.

[48:15] This is far from there's a long road we haven't before we have design. But if

[48:21] you look at it up towards the top right onsite generation, I'll tell you about

[48:27] that in a moment. You have mixed, you have high tech

[48:34] up front. You have greenhouse control environmental

[48:39] and we've been consulting with food developers and innovators on agriculture

[48:45] and we want to partner with them. I'll tell you how we do that. In the middle

[48:52] is watering district. One of the things that we believe that we can do with the

[48:59] city and county is develop infrastructure that is meaningful.

[49:06] I read every post on Facebook multiple times and there were comments like they

[49:13] can't build that here. We don't have the infrastructure.

[49:17] you are we don't have instruction

[49:23] but we can help

[49:27] and I'll tell you how and then to the lower to the lower

[49:31] bottom is um job training center

[49:36] one that incur data center don't train jobs but we're not just doing data

[49:41] center we're doing energy center we're doing control the green houses

[49:48] we're doing that there be a lot of uses on there but

[49:54] be compared

[50:00] but here's what I am going to tell you it's not going to be your energy we will

[50:05] build an energy plant on site that is not connected and grid will not increase

[50:12] your rates will not period

[50:19] Um, yes. What's your name?

[50:24] » Oh my god.

[50:29] We're not going to use your name. Here's another thing. We're not going to

[50:34] take the water because you can design the data center to use almost zero water

[50:39] after the chart. You don't have to use water.

[50:44] We got to break it down. Show you like that. This is the snow.

[50:52] Shake it. I used to get these as a kid. The water in this bottle was placed

[50:58] there by somebody. If you got one of these at home that was

[51:03] probably a good one.

[51:07] A closed fluid cooling system works much the same way.

[51:12] You charge up the system underneath and it stays in there for a long time.

[51:17] Every once in a while you have to put a little bit more water in it,

[51:22] but it's almost negligible. This is what the board

[51:32] next.

[51:36] So in the energy ecosystem, you've heard you've heard every time I

[51:41] take a newspaper, every time I pick a newspaper like oh my god,

[51:46] we're going to do it ourselves. We will we will design, build, procure

[51:53] the systems.

[52:21] I'll tell you I'll tell you what the positives

[52:24] um I'll tell you what are you disagree with me and that's okay that's okay

[52:32] because we we disagree but again process process you'll have your opportunity to

[52:39] be your community and move online so and thank you for that okay so let's

[52:47] just zoom through zoom so your system

[52:58] water okay initially

[53:03] we'll We'll fix some water to charge system charge and afterwards we're using

[53:10] uh close systems that don't need to charge.

[53:14] Okay. And then for other toddlers,

[53:22] things of that nature as normal people uses. And then for the energy center, we

[53:27] will have we call a a dry cooling system that'll use minimal block.

[53:34] So that's what we're intending to build for this location.

[54:00] want to hear. We want to hear what everybody has to say. But I'm going to

[54:04] repeat it again just in case just so everybody hears this. We will bring our

[54:09] However, we will use closed loop systems that use

[54:15] navigable water. >> When it comes to the points, we will

[54:20] build first

[54:26] question, but it's a good question.

[54:32] As far as lighting, we use lighting technologies that aren't created by our

[54:37] community. And then as far as noise is concerned,

[54:42] there's already an order in place that says what the allowable noise level

[54:48] should be a problem and and we will adhere without

[54:57] and accomplish that to burns natural foliage bowels and other

[55:04] technologies. The other thing is some other technologies will be closed

[55:08] facilities. So that make any noise. So we're looking to do all the things that

[55:16] will result in the project that won't have some of the negative impact that

[55:20] you're talking about the data center on a regular basis.

[55:26] Next slide. So the question was what about benefits

[55:34] one jobs? >> One of the things the county said that

[55:39] was a moment ago said was that many of the people some of the people were here

[55:46] for more than an hour an hour and a half

[55:49] jobs. Our project will create jobs

[55:54] at least 100 permanent jobs in the dat center and another 60 jobs for the

[56:01] energy center. Those will be jobs right here in federal and these are good jobs.

[56:40] So back to construction. So permanent jobs

[56:46] up to 160 construction jobs during the construction period

[56:51] 400 to 600 phase over the over the time you apply ahead. Many of those will be

[56:57] going to be able to speak to other um

[57:04] businesses will be able to expand their businesses. Restaurants will be able to

[57:08] serve um an increase. So that I that

[57:14] is start out. One of the things that I've seen like in the study is that when

[57:22] the investment comes down at least three to four jobs get created by our

[57:28] ecosystem and so over time that can be a thousand jobs here in and around level

[57:34] third if not more. We talked about

[57:40] um tax I've been used to. So what I where I what I shame you is in

[57:48] rural times just like I shame billions of dollars flowing to

[57:54] the city in revenue. I've seen the county millions of dollars flowing to

[57:59] now. I've seen counties now that are reporting jobs in the thousands. Okay.

[58:06] And we're in the phase of supply doesn't inter all at once. It will phase over

[58:11] time and you'll see the grad grow. We'll invest in programs for balcony. We'll

[58:18] invest in STEM programs for schools for science, technology, engineering, and

[58:22] math. We'll invest in programs in the community college so that the best here

[58:30] doesn't have to go with it. does a good job.

[58:40] » Next slide.

[58:44] And this is our this is our plan. I understand that people are really

[58:49] charged up about what

[58:53] wherever they think will happen here in you should be. This is your battle

[59:01] county. We have no issue with you standing up

[59:05] and demanding that, you know, developers being accountable for for what we're

[59:12] going to what we're planning to build here. You're going to be involved in the

[59:15] process. Your leaders could be involved in the process. This is not going to

[59:20] happen. You come here first and talk to you.

[59:25] There's no end. There's nothing. You chose to come to class you first

[59:31] and it will go through a process and you will have every opportunity to be heard

[59:37] and we value your freedom. We value individually. You know, we're looking at

[59:42] this like a marriage, not like anything. This is like a mirror. Everyone

[59:47] is going to last. Quite frankly, that's in 1700. He started as a an out of

[59:54] trading. Then the railroad came became a regional industrial center.

[1:00:01] And then through agriculture to food manufacturing,

[1:00:07] you supported many important factors throughout the United States of America.

[1:00:13] What can we build someplace else?

[1:00:25] 50 50 billion devices and insurg

[1:00:37] is out there market

[1:00:41] I want to benefit from that and you can I understand the club

[1:00:49] but I'm here to tell you today and hopefully next week and not for now

[1:00:54] going continue on tour together that you will see a benefit of that.

[1:01:02] We're talking about millions of dollars of capital flowing on the federal

[1:01:05] authority that can help you with the things that are most important to you.

[1:01:11] Yes, there'll be some tradeoffs, but I guarantee you those trade-offs will give

[1:01:15] you something because we have talked about them ahead of time

[1:01:20] and we will work it out.

[1:01:29] I'm sorry.

[1:01:39] » Um, there's somebody else that question.

[1:01:47] » Oh, hold on. Hold on. Everybody get your opportunity. Everybody get your

[1:01:52] opportunity. between

[1:02:07] our presentation and I really appreciate that person

[1:02:11] that this is a charish topic and we're going to go to the Q&A and we'll answer

[1:02:17] any questions that uh that you want to ask and we'll do so let's Friday.

[1:02:24] So, I'm going to give the mic back to the facilitator and then we'll start the

[1:02:28] Q&A

[1:02:38] starts

[1:02:42] the mayor. So first

[1:02:47] you like to come up and make any comments or any questions.

[1:03:22] So, Carolina County 2025 planning commission staff report said that the

[1:03:28] industrial department where you're interested building this as utility,

[1:03:34] but it doesn't address what your slide shows. Can you tell us

[1:03:41] what the current available order and store capacity is for what

[1:03:46] you're

[1:03:53] apologize? Can you hear it now?

[1:04:02] Carolina County's 2020 park planning commission staff report says the

[1:04:08] industrial park has utilities in place but it does not address

[1:04:15] the capacity. Can you tell us what the current

[1:04:19] available electric water and sewer capacity is? cognit shift per project

[1:04:26] will require a phase one and full buildout and whether taxpayers or

[1:04:32] utility customers will bear any of the upgraded costs and I know you address

[1:04:37] some of that in your spill here but I know there's different phases of this as

[1:04:42] the project if the project is approved there's different phases

[1:04:54] So I'll ask question

[1:04:59] there will not be any customer or community related cost associated with

[1:05:05] sorting uh supporting product from a utility standpoint.

[1:05:11] The design is self-contained so that it it doesn't have an impact on

[1:05:17] you as far as the volume is concerned. Um, we don't have plans that have been

[1:05:23] engineered simply because we don't get to have a problem.

[1:05:30] But as we go through the process, we can make sure that everybody has an

[1:05:35] opportunity to understand the the project, the plan, and to be heard. But

[1:05:41] I want to say it again. We're not asking Fathersburg or County

[1:05:47] to support the project.

[1:06:01] I think it's about the All right.

[1:06:05] All right. Has an independent California impact

[1:06:10] assessment been completed for this type of project that evaluates potential

[1:06:16] effects of nearby residents from continuous equipment noise, backup

[1:06:22] generator emissions, diesel fuel storage, cooling systems, and

[1:06:27] construction activity? If so, will that assessment be made public? And if not,

[1:06:33] will the developer commit to finding one before any approvals or grans?

[1:06:42] » Thank you, council. Um, I will say on the upcoming there are no current

[1:06:47] studies um for anywhere around the country. I will say there has been a

[1:06:52] study that has been commissioned by the state of Virginia for Le County to do

[1:06:57] some studies there. And then the state of Maryland, the legislature passed a

[1:07:02] bill last year, a year and a half ago, that was passed

[1:07:08] by the legislature, vetoed by the governor, overridden, was this past

[1:07:12] legislative session by the legislature to do a study for the state of Maryland.

[1:07:18] that was scheduled to be um uh released on September 1st. But last I heard from

[1:07:25] the agencies, the state agencies that are doing the study um Senator, it's the

[1:07:30] University of Maryland, it is MT and it's MEA that are conducting the study.

[1:07:35] It should be later than October for what we hear, but there's no other health uh

[1:07:39] studies that have seen. And I just want to follow along with you

[1:07:44] because you keep referencing county Virginia and I just want to say that

[1:07:49] counselor is one of their leading policies of health disparities there. So

[1:07:54] just anything.

[1:08:07] » So I think one of the things that the question was asking for was whether

[1:08:10] there specific um studies that you're doing on site or related and so part of

[1:08:17] the process that we will go through will address that. any air missions um you

[1:08:23] know water use traffic that natur the process that will go through those

[1:08:31] and we made available publicity

[1:08:50] is uh We would submit the plans to the city to

[1:08:54] the county. They would review the plans and then there would be a public hearing

[1:08:59] regarding the plan. So there's nothing that would be passed without the public

[1:09:04] being notified and having the opportunity to come and ask questions

[1:09:09] and and provide feedback.

[1:09:20] If this project and it's whatever it's doing, whatever

[1:09:25] it's doing is delayed, downsized, sold, abandoned, or fails at any point from

[1:09:32] phase one through full buildout. What legally binding financial protections

[1:09:39] are in place to ensure that the town of Federalsburg and its residents are not

[1:09:44] responsible for unfinished infrastructure, utility upgrades,

[1:09:49] environmental cleanup, site restoration, or any other project related costs? And

[1:09:54] how will those protections be enforced?

[1:10:07] That's a big big question. All I have to say is this.

[1:10:14] I have yet to see a data center that is properly available here

[1:10:21] leaving the the town and the county to to clean up. There's processes for that

[1:10:27] as well. um that will be part of the negotiated agreement between the

[1:10:33] developer and the manager plus the city county and there's a process to work

[1:10:39] that out to ensure that equity is that's met with the builders the operators and

[1:10:48] the um county and the city

[1:10:56] » I don't think my question totally answer it there. Um, that was more so I wanted

[1:11:01] to know what was your plan if that was to happen. Um,

[1:11:06] type things were going to be in place for that. But my question all my last

[1:11:11] well my last question slash thinking is the type of tax breaks that you would

[1:11:17] get from bringing into the type of town that is

[1:11:23] you get all types of tax breaks for coming here and building

[1:11:28] here it's not a real big deal

[1:11:34] I want to say that um and as far as the There's a lot of temporary construction

[1:11:41] jobs that comes with building a data center permanent job. How many people

[1:11:47] around actually have jobs related to a data center truthfully and how many jobs

[1:11:54] will bring people work outside of here to actually work and are there housing

[1:11:59] opportunities here in to house those independent? Those are the type of

[1:12:04] questions that realistically I want to answer and not hypothetically or blow

[1:12:11] our heads up.

[1:12:23] » So let me answer this very straightforward.

[1:12:27] I've been building data center.

[1:12:32] I'm going to tell you what I've seen not hypothetically.

[1:12:35] What I've seen is is that on the data center built there yes about 6 to 800

[1:12:41] even more companies temporary jobs in the form of trades and what have you.

[1:12:47] Let me tell you what those jobs are. security,

[1:12:51] transportation, distribution, metal fabrication, type of electricians,

[1:12:57] experience and and those who are coming up from all

[1:13:01] kinds of I'm not electrician, law enforcement,

[1:13:08] road and transportation development, utility companies,

[1:13:15] um you name it. And there's all kinds of jobs. The one things I said I was very

[1:13:20] serious is we are going to invest in job training

[1:13:25] and know that job training I see the job training degree

[1:13:31] technical right on down for less position. So potentially jobs for every

[1:13:37] type of person that would like to find a job at site. Okay.

[1:13:44] And and that's the truth. That's the truth. I join with those young days what

[1:13:50] we call the country and I can tell you there's examples of Mississippi just go

[1:13:55] on Facebook and look at Mississippi and what they have to say about the data

[1:13:59] that are there Jackson County is saying my god this is breaking job training

[1:14:05] jobs new housing developments new growth um align it with the with the colleges

[1:14:13] here so that they have place to go once they graduate that real life story in

[1:14:19] Michigan with Google the same the same thing I've seen this

[1:14:24] done again and again and again I've seen the bill I've seen that in my own eyes

[1:14:28] and my own experience so but you can believe

[1:14:34] or you know you can question and you should question that but how are you

[1:14:38] doing that's what I observe I'm a legendary

[1:14:42] military profession Here's the other thing. I'm the father of a

[1:14:48] cancer survivor and also like a son lost wife of cancer.

[1:14:55] This is not something that I play with. Okay. If I thought that this was going

[1:15:00] to put on, it's not something that I would be investing my life in because

[1:15:05] this is something there's other dudes that I need to go do. So

[1:15:12] well okay all I can tell you all I can tell you is that

[1:15:17] when when I usually do my work is based on my experience

[1:15:22] based on as a professional as a father as a health

[1:15:29] just like you

[1:15:33] Are you looking at how much

[1:15:43] you want to follow any other town?

[1:15:53] I got five questions for you. First one you see this is supposed to consist of

[1:15:58] pl water there quite a few houses down well surrounding area that run well bel

[1:16:09] run dry how are the residents that are not compensated andor

[1:16:25] some way shape pool, right?

[1:16:30] You have a lot of little around here, a lot of

[1:16:34] If you come down and you say, "Hey, look, my

[1:16:53] I think it's a good question. I'll tell you that from I don't mind to

[1:17:01] tell you and I'll tell you

[1:17:05] there's there's a lot of reasons to go into hydraology and what have you. So I

[1:17:12] think if there's an issue like that, the first thing they're going to want to do

[1:17:16] is to study the issue and determine what the cause is

[1:17:22] because as proposed the assumption is that the data center is problem. You

[1:17:27] know, somebody's about to go to go, right? So the thing that we can promise

[1:17:34] is that if a situation like that arose you issue along with the city in the

[1:17:40] county understand what the issue is and then if there was causation and it could

[1:17:46] be applied to where to cause the the situation

[1:17:51] but it's I can't answer just to say if the dates was caused that because we

[1:17:56] would be working very hard

[1:18:04] So my next question is on you said

[1:18:10] I eat natural gas. You guys are going to be high natural

[1:18:15] gas. You guys are going to be consuming a lot of natural gas. Where are you

[1:18:19] going to get your natural gas from? How is that going to affect the price of

[1:18:22] natural gas for people that can use those people? I can go to the city. I

[1:18:26] can bump up the people without

[1:18:36] » So, so this is a this is a really

[1:18:41] interesting question. Why not make sure gas

[1:18:46] a lot of natural gas systems for commercial industrial operation industry

[1:18:51] um we've been cons

[1:19:12] And I mean I see some nodding heads, but I used to design utility rates for

[1:19:19] Pacific Gas and Light in California. And I know this true that as volume goes up,

[1:19:26] infrastructure costs will spread across more volume and the rates come down and

[1:19:30] that is how natural gas. So there'll be more natural gas lower cost than less

[1:19:36] natural gas.

[1:19:41] » [clears throat]

[1:19:44] » I love

[1:19:48] so are there going to be current structure

[1:19:52] or these mobile sites? I've seen lots of interesting things come up where they

[1:19:58] say these are temporary or bring flatbeds and next thing you know you got

[1:20:02] five or six more coming in that one.

[1:20:12] So we don't understand what they call generation.

[1:20:17] Um because there's there's you know there's well they're in construction

[1:20:24] generation during the per construction until you can get the plant up and

[1:20:29] running and that'll be for about 24 months or so. And so you have that on a

[1:20:36] temporary basis that's a permanent Electricity would come from efficient

[1:20:41] technologies like fuel cells. If you want to learn more about SH,

[1:20:46] but there are zero jobs, zero socks, low carbon. And so when you're employing

[1:20:52] kind of technology and then Brooklyn use what they call the cycle of turbines

[1:20:58] assistant

[1:21:01] generation and we're looking to take heat that comes off of the stack that's

[1:21:06] missions and we use that for cooling to use that for heating and cooling. Um,

[1:21:13] one of the things that we've looked at is I have a shingling district in

[1:21:17] concert of the city that provide tolling as well as feeding um within a certain

[1:21:22] radius of the site. And so those are kind of things that we're we're looking

[1:21:26] at. We're looking at every opportunity to um use low high efficient low

[1:21:32] emission technologies.

[1:21:39] You have two more. So the average data center increases the soil temperature

[1:21:44] between 5 and 10° such an increase in the industrial park already.

[1:21:50] This also flows to farmland and directly affect crops. How's this going to be

[1:21:54] mitated?

[1:22:01] So acknowledge that there are reports that say that data centers with service

[1:22:08] have um a huge impact on on so we're not we're not distributing that. So that's a

[1:22:16] that's a report from a reputable organization that

[1:22:21] one of the reason that is because of what he did on the air and so you know

[1:22:27] you can call you can call which whichever but that's what happens

[1:22:34] what we're looking to do is to recapture those emissions and use them in

[1:22:39] production processes I'll give you an example

[1:22:42] if you take the emissions from a generation source and you run it through

[1:22:47] a thermal energy system um using thermal energy storage. It'll

[1:22:53] it'll store at 1800° cent and you can actually direct that for merchant uses.

[1:23:00] You can use it for metal fabrication. You can use it in

[1:23:05] you can use it for other uses. You can heat you can heat a pool. You can do a

[1:23:09] lot of things with that heat to repurpose it. And as a result there's

[1:23:15] thus perm the mission to reduce the initial streams by by quite a bit as

[1:23:19] much as you know 70% through others and we would be working

[1:23:24] to use use those type of technologies

[1:23:31] » a lot. Um so is there

[1:23:37] a set level for noise solution in terms of decibels? What about subsonic

[1:23:42] infrasound? Um this has been shown to cause

[1:23:45] manuverable health impacts. How should you monitor and work the recourse if

[1:23:50] that's too high as well as the health impacts? How are you follow up with

[1:23:54] somebody who says I have headaches or I have whatever but it's caused by

[1:23:57] pursuit.

[1:24:07] So here's I was asked to look into things like um

[1:24:13] EMS right there and

[1:24:18] what the status found was that yes people certain areas were having they

[1:24:23] didn't find a causation between some of the things that were going on cancer.

[1:24:28] One of the studies came out that um the electromagnetic waves from your cell

[1:24:34] phone and your microwave that were more powerful than BMS that were being um

[1:24:40] exhibited from things like transmission towers. Now are there things in science

[1:24:45] that you know kind of fly on the radar? Absolutely. I mean um I I assume that

[1:24:51] that would be a church but but here's the [clears throat] thing.

[1:24:55] There are people out there who are studying like things like infrared and

[1:25:00] subsonic and things of that nature and as the technologies improve we'll become

[1:25:06] more aware of those things but today there isn't any studies that say if you

[1:25:10] do this subine or infrared will impact you in this way

[1:25:18] but if people do complain say look we're you should take those things seriously

[1:25:23] and always look into it the technology you have over

[1:25:33] terms of safely the site is secure other planes or do other sites currently use

[1:25:39] while cameras. So these cameras can monitor our vehicles personnel as well

[1:25:45] as their travel and coordinate where they are going against their

[1:25:50] constitutional rights.

[1:26:00] So privacy is a real concern and I will tell you this we have every

[1:26:08] right to be concerned about your engineers are our youth. I can tell you

[1:26:14] that or is not associated with, you know, trapping tracking. only cameras

[1:26:20] that only would be would be for secure areas and for the traffic that would

[1:26:27] actually be going within the technology centers themselves. And those are neatly

[1:26:32] pointed at cars as they're constructed between and exhale. Um there's no reason

[1:26:38] for the panelist externally to the community or what have

[1:26:42] you. It would be open to secure defense line in those coming into the data

[1:26:48] center or going out or other secure areas.

[1:26:56] » My last question, I'm a fan of Have you ever seen the movie

[1:27:02] There Willow?

[1:27:21] Um I know that you've already said

[1:27:26] are you prepared to mention any kind of environmental impact assessments

[1:27:31] specifically about the local ecosystem

[1:27:36] and if so um you I'm assuming that available

[1:27:49] » um environment studies are usually things associated with large diagnosis

[1:27:55] if you if you build a large material interface

[1:28:04] through the federal energy regulatory machine that includes a what they call

[1:28:10] study. It's essentially an UG study on impacts to the environment and there's

[1:28:17] one super deep and there's one that's not based upon initial findings and so

[1:28:21] those those phes required by the state those type of studies for our project

[1:28:27] because it's so localized our stud is called it's called EAS phase one and

[1:28:33] that stands for you know it's environmental um

[1:28:38] is an environmental report that covers things like um you know heritage. Are

[1:28:44] there any remains from you know native you know destinations? Um are there any

[1:28:50] animal effects? Is there any um impact on flora you know waterways

[1:28:56] that nature? um as part of that, you know, things like geotech and all those

[1:29:02] kind of things. And so, um the previous owner has done that, but you know, we

[1:29:08] could do that again for our specific project and make that available to the

[1:29:14] city for reviewing.

[1:29:21] Um, currently federal work is not police department and our law enforcement needs

[1:29:27] are being currently met by our county sheriff and the state police. Uh, we

[1:29:33] also rely on a volunteer fire department that is experiencing a declining

[1:29:38] membership. Given the real possibility of increased

[1:29:42] security risks and high emergency preparedness needs, what system

[1:29:47] commitments are you prepared to make regardless of security, physical

[1:29:52] security, coordination of local and county emergency response needs?

[1:30:01] » Sorry. So typically in a high-tech campus, you'll have your own security

[1:30:07] force that services the campus and they coordinated with local law enforcement.

[1:30:13] Now what you saying is that your local law enforcement is fairly slim. So as

[1:30:19] part of the training benefit agreement, that's one of the things that we talk

[1:30:23] about and say what makes sense in terms of how we collaborate and cooperate. I

[1:30:29] wonder if they talk about tax um the tax available to just the city of

[1:30:37] as well as the county the sheriff of the county police city. um that active could

[1:30:44] certainly be used you know in that capacity and that's subject to that's

[1:30:49] subject to discussions between you know the the city

[1:30:58] I can also tell you this and companies that I've worked

[1:31:06] with equipment and other types of issues so I think we need to register

[1:31:18] And obviously most likely council members questions some of them have been

[1:31:23] sort of touched on and I'm not going to [clears throat] keep

[1:31:27] questions out there. I think this is a question that everybody kind of listen.

[1:31:35] Yeah. Lots of different options on these Wi-Fi.

[1:31:39] » Yes. That's

[1:31:46] » so

[1:31:53] other than

[1:31:58] » I'll tell you why both qualitatively and quantitatively

[1:32:04] quantitatively because there's things for in terms of

[1:32:11] land zoning ordinance. Um who don't like to be next to or don't like to be next

[1:32:17] to um you know adjacent to rural not residential because of the impact that

[1:32:25] it potentially has on homes. And so we look for things like offers um and also

[1:32:31] things like you know rogues access and those kind of things trust you know um

[1:32:37] the data center themselves have a classification on where they actually to

[1:32:40] be. One of those is is there a is there a workforce that they can invest in and

[1:32:49] and build um is there you know can you get jobs through the college district

[1:32:56] and other things right and so quantif

[1:33:02] because of you know all the things that we look for exterior and industrial zone

[1:33:09] um piece of land we're of the partial eye is some today

[1:33:14] industrial tube and if you look at design in industrial tube the things

[1:33:19] that can be put there are pretty amazing [snorts]

[1:33:22] you put a plant area instead of you know um R&D chemical and you know different

[1:33:29] things of that nature and we're not looking to do anything of that nature um

[1:33:33] we're actually looking to use technologies that have minimal that have

[1:33:37] minimal impact Okay,

[1:33:42] » you know, just because a [snorts] city meets certain criteria

[1:33:46] doesn't mean that you're going to go investing a billion dollars there.

[1:33:51] The reason you invest in a billion dollars because you think it would be a

[1:33:54] good investment. Like somebody said earlier, well, what if what if you get

[1:33:59] left is your leftovers. Um I don't know on the planet somebody

[1:34:05] does10 billion dollars and grows a large campus project at the scale that is

[1:34:10] critical to a lot of things we do plus our national security and then just

[1:34:15] vacating um so

[1:34:21] um yeah so if you look at in 1700

[1:34:29] found came the railroads came in 1800s

[1:34:35] and it became a regional verdict. the world today is one of the way

[1:34:42] technology the the next evolution of the next

[1:34:46] evolution is to figure out how to integrate with technology even if you

[1:34:51] don't buy into data centers you still have to think about this and I think

[1:34:56] about this and and you know if I can just speak there from my personal

[1:34:59] experience you know when I think about my six days

[1:35:04] they're facing the world of technology and um and and you know that's the

[1:35:11] that's the reality and I want them to have a good job. I want them to be able

[1:35:16] to embrace their future line and to have options for their careers. And

[1:35:24] has that opportunity to do exactly to do exactly that

[1:35:41] much in terms of you know, complain about

[1:35:45] water. Um, I saw on Facebook that, you know, here it is that we want

[1:35:52] to come and offer a solution to partner with the city or county to build our

[1:35:56] infrastructure. Um, that is an opportunity through a community benefit

[1:36:00] agreement that is on the table. So, this is what I ask before everyone just says,

[1:36:06] "No, at least consider what is put on the paper and the commitments they're

[1:36:10] making and trust your leadership. to show up and like you did tonight and let

[1:36:16] your voice be heard and and let's get to something that is meaningful for

[1:36:20] everybody together.

[1:36:32] » Are you just or you ask questions? [laughter]

[1:36:39] council

[1:36:51] member and a resident. I have a lot of concerns.

[1:36:56] I have a lot of

[1:37:02] questions about the you

[1:37:09] environment that they affect the garden and how

[1:37:13] um the um electricity

[1:37:19] » um that was a goodation and everything and the setup

[1:37:26] Your presentation was wonderful, but benefit

[1:37:31] from coming into those. You're telling us all the good things that Pebblesburg

[1:37:36] will benefit but we can't can you guarantee us 100%

[1:37:43] that there will not be any environmental issues that there will not be any noise

[1:37:48] issues that there will not be any power outages that it will not be any gas

[1:37:54] problem that it will not affect us the community in the citizens and resident

[1:38:01] of

[1:38:13] Yes or no?

[1:38:21] » No.

[1:38:25] So the answer is is no. Can I can I say there be any problem? large develop

[1:38:34] I can say deliciously the city if there's any

[1:38:38] issues that would come up we do monitoring systems and things like that

[1:38:43] that in place so that way you are when they do have to address

[1:38:48] them straight away but at this point we don't even have so we have a community

[1:38:53] so we're just going to put things in place so that those things do not occur

[1:38:57] Any

[1:39:02] other

[1:39:07] committee?

[1:39:14] So, so the commitment, so the commit, so the commitment to develop is that we

[1:39:20] will follow guidelines set out by the city and the

[1:39:24] county and that we go that meets why you as a city council

[1:39:30] member

[1:39:34] and there

[1:39:40] would be to build to the standards badly Or it was just for

[1:39:48] anesthetic.

[1:39:53] And then

[1:40:05] the back

[1:40:17] or

[1:40:23] Are there any space here?

[1:40:33] » All right, we start first

[1:40:38] of the first one is Peggy P.

[1:40:48] Is there any budget?

[1:41:01] And everybody

[1:41:07] » based on everything I've heard and everything that I've done in research

[1:41:11] with regards to myself, I personally believe that the county should make a

[1:41:16] decision. Us as residents, the entire federal and county should vote on this.

[1:41:23] » Yes. on a ballot along with clockwise.

[1:42:02] And we pay our tax for the town. We should decide what we want in this town.

[1:42:06] We stand up. He has to blow away.

[1:42:21] question is from 20

[1:42:41] So I did a quick Google search on negative impact of data centers on

[1:42:49] communities in LA County. Does this work or what Dr. Google had to

[1:42:58] say? Data centers

[1:43:03] strain loudly infrastructure due to massive water consumption, noise

[1:43:09] pollution from cooling systems and backup generators and degraded air

[1:43:14] quality. Furthermore, they drive up residential electricity grades to fund

[1:43:21] required grid upgrades and push out other commercial developments.

[1:43:28] Key impacts among local communities, grid strain, and rising utility bills.

[1:43:34] Data centers in Northern Virginia consume vast amounts of electricity,

[1:43:39] leading to massive infrastructure upgrades that are leased directly to

[1:43:44] local gray conveyors. Dominion Energy projects, sorry, project significant

[1:43:51] increases in monthly residential bills to pay for these new transmission lines.

[1:43:56] Water consumption facilities place a heavy burden on municipal water systems

[1:44:01] for server cooling in LA data center water use has more than doubled in

[1:44:09] recent years straining regional drinking water supplies.

[1:44:14] noise and air pollution. Loud residents near us and areas like Sterling

[1:44:19] frequently import constant low frequency homes and high pitch wines from rooftop

[1:44:26] units. Additionally, the hundreds of onsite emergency diesel and gas

[1:44:31] generators emit harmful cos such as nitrogen oxides and

[1:44:38] particulate when running during outages. The man

[1:44:43] response event or contin.

[1:45:14] Hello everybody. Um, my name is I live in Northchester County, but I spend

[1:45:20] about half of my 18 hours a year. With all due respect, So you don't know

[1:45:26] the ones that we are actually working with with representatives. All the

[1:45:30] wonderful promises that you make, you're not the ones that are actually going to

[1:45:35] have to follow through on that.

[1:45:41] » I don't think that a data center is the solution to the monetary debt that we

[1:45:46] are in

[1:45:53] any temporary relief. which has resulted from potential

[1:45:57] mismanagement for crippling long-term and irreversible contamination and

[1:46:03] corruption of our natural rural community and culture

[1:46:07] non-stop and this noise light pollution. We all live out here. We have all homes

[1:46:13] out here because it's quiet. We can see the night sky. There will be an impact

[1:46:18] on them to some degree regardless of what you're trying to put in place.

[1:46:22] Again, we don't know that that's actually going to happen. The EPA has

[1:46:27] not always protected us from things like this. Um,

[1:46:40] Yeah, we need to heard about that. Um, the EPA is not going to always protect

[1:46:44] us and stuff like that. When these do happen, there's only so much that

[1:46:49] they're going to do quickly and by the time that all the studies are done, we

[1:46:54] talked about doing studies, they fail their loopholes to get out of

[1:46:58] them.

[1:47:05] A lot of invitation of abuse besides exaggerated

[1:47:10] monetary change. What do they actually have to offer us?

[1:47:48] background on the audience. Okay, this is

[1:47:53] and we're short. We don't like short hall.

[1:48:06] Everybody agree 100% public safety. We lost our police. So we don't have a lot

[1:48:12] of custo

[1:48:18] [clears throat]

[1:48:28] taxpayers we should have pretty good

[1:48:33] infrastructure going on but I >> so

[1:48:40] good luck >> [laughter]

[1:49:03] » So, I got two questions here. The first one was for you. You're saying that this

[1:49:07] is a um you're bringing your own power which um that can be okay and not at the

[1:49:14] same time because depending what you're burning up in the air is going to

[1:49:18] reflect all of you guys and I'm from southern Virginia. I've been here about

[1:49:23] three years now. So I can see the difference between western Maryland and

[1:49:27] eastern Maryland because it's the same as Virginia and West Virginia because

[1:49:31] they're two different states in case you guys did not know that. But the question

[1:49:36] pertain to you is are you how can we how can we ensure that they're not going to

[1:49:41] be polluted by the diesel fumes for the turbines that are going to be running on

[1:49:46] these data centers

[1:49:55] is so first let me tell you how to design it be um the first hour we're

[1:50:02] going to show cells it's a zero [clears throat] person

[1:50:06] and cargo. So right there, if you're from West Virginia, you're from West

[1:50:12] Virginia, you know, a lot of problems.

[1:50:18] » But it's a cold town >> and it's a company

[1:50:24] heavy natural gas. Yes.

[1:50:28] » So, so the point the point is that the system would be designed to

[1:50:36] um one minimize emissions to reuse those emissions for productive use and I know

[1:50:43] there's in the room but this is what I ask you to do. Even as you meet this

[1:50:50] meeting tonight, I'm going to ask you if you'll just go

[1:50:55] look at some of the technologies that are available and what that means. There

[1:50:59] are ways to communicate this. Now, the other question is you're asking how do

[1:51:03] we know that you're going to do that?

[1:51:09] » Is there testing? you guys have the same thing happens

[1:51:13] over and over again because whoever whoever's building it or the owners of

[1:51:18] the company to bring in their own testing. How can the public have their

[1:51:21] own third party testing? Yeah. >> So, so

[1:51:28] are subject to to study and it's a federal requirement that you have to

[1:51:34] consider studying you have to meet those emissions on a partly basis.

[1:51:41] Um, is there any plans for using the heat waves into any any

[1:51:47] questions? Um, and that's exactly what we're

[1:51:51] talking about is using the heat waste and using that for

[1:51:57] using that for um using that to generate clean air

[1:52:02] and using that potentially to have a utility utility which would not just be

[1:52:09] for the um for the project. will be for them to

[1:52:19] » that's not

[1:52:52] So, I do want to say that you were talking about your six kids and I just

[1:52:55] want to tell you that I have one and I want to leave my house and I want to

[1:52:59] leave him here to bring the water.

[1:53:04] The other one I mean I'm not you started at this meeting and you said that there

[1:53:08] were two steps to the process on what allowability. So I know that we go back

[1:53:14] to allowability. I'm actually going to agree with Tim and that we should be

[1:53:18] looking at is this allowable? Do we want this? And then setting up the things in

[1:53:22] place. This is the lady spoke about statutes and whatnot. If we're already

[1:53:26] to a place that a commitment has been made to have more conversation, I think

[1:53:31] we need to have more education to have that conversation and then that needs to

[1:53:35] be of those. it go because right now I don't think we have people that have

[1:53:41] this. So

[1:54:02] I went to this school. Um so I did a

[1:54:08] little Google tip for the lady who came up here earlier after Google. I did a

[1:54:11] little bit more depth than that. Um according to the environmental and

[1:54:15] energy study institute which is a bipartis

[1:54:20] um mediumiz data centers uh use 110 millions gallons of water each year. Um

[1:54:27] that's to a thousand households. I don't know if you know this word according to

[1:54:32] census reporter.org has 2,800 people in it. I don't think

[1:54:37] that's a thousand households. Um, larger data centers per year can use about 1.8

[1:54:43] billion gallons of water, which is equivalent to a town with 10 to 50,000

[1:54:48] people in it. So, I think it's a little overmatched there. Um, taking a look at

[1:54:54] just in terms of what happens with these water systems. These water systems use

[1:54:58] chemicals to prevent algae from growing in them. And those chemicals need to go

[1:55:03] somewhere eventually. Typically that goes back into nature and that can not

[1:55:08] only cause issues for local plant life and things like that. Um in addition um

[1:55:14] salt dust comes from these data centers. They use the salt in the data center

[1:55:19] that can increase the salinity of local water supplies and things like that

[1:55:23] killing animals and plants that live in these local water supplies. Um,

[1:55:27] according to Consumer Reports, uh, electricity in the last year, electric

[1:55:32] prices have jumped 7.1%, which is double the inflation rate in the United States.

[1:55:37] In some states, it's going up as high as 20%. Um, on average in federal Maryland,

[1:55:42] I know this according to energy savings.com, most people in federal

[1:55:46] work, Maryland per month spend about 200 $231 on electricity. Um just imagine

[1:55:52] that jumping by 20% jumping by more than that according to like a usage and

[1:55:57] things like that. Um according to a study by the University of Michigan um I

[1:56:02] know that the data centers have promised to create a lot of jobs and he even

[1:56:06] admitted that they are temporary most of those jobs which he mentions.

[1:56:13] You admitted that you said the temporary construction. I don't want you to argue

[1:56:16] with Jacob. I have my

[1:56:28] mistake. It sounds too good to be true. It probably is.

[1:56:42] It looks like Nathan.

[1:57:01] So, as much as they want to say it's not going to affect your property value,

[1:57:06] nobody wants a data center in your town. So,

[1:57:12] people move in this town and buy your house. Who's going to move to this town

[1:57:17] and buy a house next to you that's going to be vacant because people are moving

[1:57:21] out of here because of that, you know, and then we're going to end up

[1:57:25] with all kinds of slumps because of this place. You know, they want to sit here

[1:57:30] and talk. They're just people for this business. They're being kid.

[1:57:56] » Hi, my name is and I'm a 17-year-old junior in high

[1:58:00] school. But I believe I see for a vast majority of both people my age and

[1:58:06] adults don't want this thing in here. I believe that there be more bad for our

[1:58:11] society than good. The town is filled with beautiful families and loving

[1:58:15] children. This data will disrupt everyone's lives. The massive amount of

[1:58:19] noise pollution, the unclean water that's top of the earth drinking water

[1:58:23] eventually will be corrupted and our big day lives interrupted. We will not have

[1:58:27] peace in us all town anymore. We we are million dollars of debt. But

[1:58:35] instead of going to our home place and say whatever we decide to use it on

[1:58:44] a data center a single data center as much as

[1:58:50] we don't even have first of all a study problem

[1:58:58] data center to uh represent up to 12% of all electricity consumption by 2028. I

[1:59:05] don't understand how that will help anybody, but I don't I don't want to

[1:59:10] grow up in this town if it's going to be like this. I remember it being lovely. I

[1:59:14] remember it being beautiful. I remember it being a safe community for people to

[1:59:17] run around and have fun and laugh with their families, but how are we supposed

[1:59:21] to do that? And we can't even walk outside without breathing any nasty air

[1:59:25] freaking nasty uncle. Please

[1:59:48] My wife and I just bought our first home here.

[1:59:54] Um, this is a wonderful town my experience

[1:59:57] so far. However, the loss of the data center made me reconsider by my own.

[2:00:03] Eventually, we decided to do something here and I decided to use my voice as a

[2:00:07] member of this community out. The fact that we are allowing this to even be

[2:00:12] considered is our morals. These data centers destroy the local environment,

[2:00:16] raise energy consumption and rain's lives. These people here are pushing

[2:00:20] questions about every related and so I am not in any way like

[2:00:28] encourage to believe what you have to say when you don't answer our damn

[2:00:32] questions. [snorts]

[2:00:37] » I love this first date with my beautiful wife was over. How do I know that that's

[2:00:43] not only my life but the ship going on in the world?

[2:00:48] I have a testimonial.

[2:01:20] I think we all

[2:01:41] » right.

[2:01:47] Okay.

[2:02:09] So many permanent positions in [clears throat] a data center involve

[2:02:13] highly specialized occupations and according to the census data for county

[2:02:19] only 16 16.6% single% of adults hold a bath degree or higher and only about

[2:02:24] 3.9% of the county's workforce hold

[2:02:30] more specialized intern. So, can the developer demonstrate that

[2:02:35] Caroline County has a workforce even capable of filling specialized positions

[2:02:39] and also consider some of these positions take years and require the

[2:02:43] need to train and education.

[2:02:49] I want you to answer my question.

[2:03:10] The question was, is the is the developer

[2:03:17] can the developer demonstrate that car county has a workforce capable of

[2:03:20] filling these specialized positions?

[2:03:27] » I really want to answer question. Yes. Yes.

[2:03:30] Okay, I'm ask question I want I want to say

[2:03:37] my assumption is that everybody in this room is smart, intelligent and has job.

[2:03:44] They do great at their job their jobs and one thing

[2:03:49] [laughter] I need to say I think and my citizen my assumption is that order is

[2:03:57] taken. Okay, I talk about John Street and your sons, your daughters, you your

[2:04:04] your wife, your your husband, your grandparents. They're smart people.

[2:04:11] Bird is smart people.

[2:04:16] I've listened to a lot of

[2:04:21] background started as a

[2:04:30] And you know what? And and he built something here. You

[2:04:34] build a regional hub in the 1800s when you build a

[2:04:40] hub with aulture and 1950s was long for any school. So

[2:04:53] the question asked me because 16.2% of people that only have a bachelor's

[2:05:00] degree. In order for me to for me to answer that question, I have to see that

[2:05:05] the people are not editable. And I'm not going to do that. I think that every

[2:05:10] person in this room is capable of. And you know what?

[2:05:16] We bring you for technology. Every person here can get that out. So

[2:05:27] great job.

[2:06:02] Maybe where is this location?

[2:06:09] » So there's your idea of park.

[2:06:23] I don't know much about or if you even down the back road.

[2:06:31] So we are community always a community. You guys understand

[2:06:37] Maryland is Maryland. We're not we're the system.

[2:06:49] It goes over the baby. So with that being said, [clears throat]

[2:06:56] with all the water that's going to be used, what's it going to do to the crop?

[2:07:00] What's it going to do to the farmer when it's another 102 degree day and we're

[2:07:05] going to have 5:00 in the morning field and irrigation water? What's it going to

[2:07:13] do with the crop? What's it going to do? We have wild races deer. A lot of us

[2:07:21] like to hunt like the fish. We ride off. We're redneck.

[2:07:31] But what we do on the shore, we do not know. But you're

[2:07:36] a city. Go to the western.

[2:07:48] I like to sit home at night quiet mess with you. You can have a

[2:07:55] that's a lot to my house brother. I can hear

[2:08:02] stuff that happen in dark container. So, how is this going to happen

[2:08:08] when I get your dark container from the sand?

[2:08:26] » Put the technology in place that these were technologies. Um I'm trying

[2:08:32] to get the best of my knowledge which is there are ways to mitigate noise so that

[2:08:39] the residential so that you know closely here won't won't hear them. Um I've also

[2:08:46] heard many questions after I stated systems which are very technologies that

[2:08:54] were going to take the water. Um I've heard that we're going to

[2:09:00] connect the interest rates to raise when we're not even asking utility to do

[2:09:06] anything for us and will fuel our own power. So that

[2:09:15] don't increase. We'll use emission technologies that don't that will um

[2:09:21] lower emissions um and we'll do other things to do

[2:09:26] things like that. infrastructure and give the money the the city that she

[2:09:32] desires and we can do all of those things. But we fellow

[2:09:40] to give us an opportunity to do that and we will do that and provide the

[2:09:46] opportunity to do so.

[2:10:01] Thank you.

[2:10:05] Right here in town,

[2:10:09] but we do have concerns about water and electric and all the same things that I

[2:10:16] you know what I'm hearing from this gentleman is that they're create their

[2:10:20] own liquor. uh that they're not going to use your water that they're going to

[2:10:24] have recycling systems and there's other ways to do that. I guess I'm willing to

[2:10:29] hear that out, but there's a lot of other issues I'm concerned about. And

[2:10:32] the major concern I have, especially being an older gentleman, is what do I

[2:10:38] do with my own trigger

[2:10:43] at least knowledge that we have? If something

[2:10:47] happened, the systems you put in didn't work. had to do something different. But

[2:10:52] now we go to broader the only option we had.

[2:10:56] I can't go see you guys. You guys have corporate volume.

[2:11:03] I could spend five years $100,000 and still not get there. So my question is

[2:11:10] are you willing to put it on where he will you put an escal fund in place is

[2:11:18] handled by the city of feathers

[2:11:28] like myself

[2:11:32] that the problem was caused by this. Are you

[2:11:46] » someone else?

[2:11:51] You ask very question.

[2:11:56] Um I can't speak for the ultimate operator

[2:12:01] of the data center whether or not they're going to be able

[2:12:04] that's very serious people but I am telling you this is that we are not

[2:12:09] going to connect to water there very strong restrictions

[2:12:17] around water such as New York and we will not be in

[2:12:22] house or else going we won't be using from

[2:12:38] your man.

[2:12:49] » Hi, I'm in this uh town for a very long time. I chose to stay here. I chose to

[2:12:56] have my kids educated here and I still live there today. My problem is this.

[2:13:04] The infrastructure you're talking about, Billy is right behind my house. What

[2:13:10] guarantees are you going to give me that well?

[2:13:14] I am not going to get any kind of pollution over my house. You're talking

[2:13:21] about I know you all that he sp my house in

[2:13:26] the fall over that field. I have deer behind me just about every night. What

[2:13:33] guarantees are you going to give me that this isn't going to harm my family, my

[2:13:38] house, my water, my animals, and the animals that live in the forest and fly

[2:13:46] over me.

[2:13:54] I have a proposal and

[2:13:58] please this is the proposal

[2:14:03] Sheldon and I will bring any extra that you want on the topics here today

[2:14:14] and we'll sit down and we'll show you exactly send us to answer your questions

[2:14:21] and ask that so they understand how the system design what they do what have you

[2:14:30] so the questions you can ask it's like how do we know whether we can we can

[2:14:35] trust you the best really the best that I can do is is to show our we're the

[2:14:41] experts that well and we can sit there we can talk about

[2:14:47] this um that we could talk about the commands and we're going to go in depth

[2:14:52] with you so that you can feel comfortable that we're not using water,

[2:14:57] we're not using power, we have effective airation land, we're reducing reducing

[2:15:03] the emissions for good reasons, okay, that we're talking about what community

[2:15:09] benefit agreements look like, okay? And how can you be sure that those benefits

[2:15:14] are going to improve to you and your children and the people that you care

[2:15:19] about? You show [clears throat] up and you go answer those questions.

[2:15:25] Why topic? with experts, not us. People who are

[2:15:30] supposed to stand and you can ask question.

[2:15:51] All I'm saying, all I'm saying is that is okay.

[2:15:57] I just if if you thought if you thought for a

[2:16:02] second that I was a truthful then you know what I address

[2:16:24] » I'm not the I was ask

[2:16:31] any question we're going to do it. That's the best

[2:16:35] that we can offer and you know we're going to work together town halls

[2:16:39] working sessions whatever you know and we come and ask your ask your question

[2:16:44] here's the thing I don't want to have happen

[2:16:47] there is opportunity here for county and you know I understand there's

[2:16:54] a lot of data out there I'm just encouraging you deeply dive into

[2:16:58] [clears throat] your data understand the benefits are being awkward and and

[2:17:04] we're still very

[2:17:08] but

[2:17:30] Liberty Road. Thank you, hell, you bless your heart.

[2:17:36] Uh, currently, right now, there are 15 states that are considered abandoning or

[2:17:42] restricting data centers in the state of Maryland, Frederick County, Montgomery,

[2:17:48] Virginia have put six months on Prince George's County is considering a

[2:17:54] two-year pause. I want to know, is this why you are here?

[2:18:09] before we were um working on

[2:18:14] studying before for project

[2:18:26] one.

[2:18:39] They didn't come here all the remember

[2:18:46] great grand

[2:18:58] I stay backyard

[2:19:06] from data center

[2:19:10] to drive miles. The fish had to go nap.

[2:19:38] It don't come back out same way. And when you say

[2:19:52] today and you say it's not

[2:20:03] talking about that

[2:20:08] last thing I want to say when you guys to your community,

[2:20:15] you're bringing a problem. That's exactly what we bring.

[2:20:21] 8,000 data across this country right now. 8,000 and they're growing four.

[2:20:29] So you don't think that ain't going to program that they got on this computer.

[2:20:37] Yeah. What is it going to do? Today

[2:20:45] is going to be

[2:21:12] My name is Kane and I am 17 and I live in Puddlesburg and I am against the idea

[2:21:17] of a data center in Puddlesburg. Having a data center in Puddlesburg would

[2:21:21] create dead sentence for this town. data center tons of water and electricity

[2:21:24] every single day. By putting a data center in our town, water from our river

[2:21:29] that runs through Federalsburg will be used to help along the center whether

[2:21:32] that's now or later. This will impact the animals and the wildlife that live

[2:21:36] in and the Gulf of the river, but it will also impact the people and the

[2:21:39] memories that um people make the river every day. Not only will the data center

[2:21:44] impact the wildlife with this water usage, but it will impact the people

[2:21:48] living in Flesburg as well. According to Whitfield study from the University of

[2:21:51] Georgia, potential consequences of the data center include include reduced

[2:21:55] drinking water availability, lower water water

[2:22:00] reduce connection to ground water and this

[2:22:03] would directly impact people in Flesburg. Data centers also use a lot of

[2:22:07] electricity which would be would put a lot of pressure on that's already

[2:22:12] struggling even as you upgrade it. When data centers are not electricity that

[2:22:16] power their computers, they are gas that gas which releases into the air and can

[2:22:20] cause health issues on pollution. And it's not just gas that gets released

[2:22:23] into the air. Another field study from the University of Georgia that says that

[2:22:27] they are a combination of other correct chemicals that get released that are

[2:22:30] used to prevent erosion. And when our water rates off the systems and our

[2:22:35] water goes back,

[2:22:40] it will contain those forever. This would literally be poisoning us through

[2:22:44] our air and grow our water. This would not only affect the town federal, but it

[2:22:48] would impact the towns around us. And this is only a few of the many problems

[2:22:51] in data center. Even if these changes won't be noticed immediately, and there

[2:22:55] will be long-term consequences to building a data center. Think about it.

[2:22:59] The people wildlife in history, you would be impacted by building a data

[2:23:02] center in this town. Photos would not be able to recover from [laughter] the

[2:23:05] damage at data center. And the damage would not only impact photos, but it

[2:23:09] would impact town as well. I know there are a lot of people here today that also

[2:23:14] data center and I advise you to listen to the people of this town and do not

[2:23:17] build a data center. We do not want a data center or any part of the order. Do

[2:23:22] not sell us. Thank you.

[2:23:36] Susan

[2:23:40] ask.

[2:24:01] » I want to know that the data set that you can how close are communities to I

[2:24:08] will live directly across >> along with other

[2:24:15] and I'd like to know the owner of the land where you

[2:24:26] » I'm sorry and

[2:24:30] the status

[2:24:35] before

[2:24:52] my first question for you. I'm ask questions. Please write them answer.

[2:25:01] Uh, I get it that you're here to educate. Not once did I hear you say

[2:25:06] anything negative about that distribution.

[2:25:13] » You mentioned multiple times the 95.

[2:25:21] Uh, there's plenty of out. uh who are your strongers and who are

[2:25:27] your numbers is what I look like

[2:25:36] with your fairy tale over here that does not even exist and you're the numbers

[2:25:42] add up I understand very well the technology

[2:25:46] a little closer

[2:25:51] because they just poison the ground while I down the system.

[2:26:03] In fact, you never going to touch that. I can't believe you for one minute. So,

[2:26:08] you're going to water that not only affects this state, but Delaware all the

[2:26:14] way to the Ches Bay and Virginia. Uh, I get it. Ladies and gentlemen are

[2:26:21] probably not the ones we talking to you brothers

[2:26:29] did not love. I am the sixth generation. the seventh and eighth generation play.

[2:26:43] That's why

[2:26:48] the technology talk about technology where it doesn't exist and it's not

[2:26:58] Answer

[2:27:10] the question.

[2:27:14] » Next question.

[2:27:36] You were fools.

[2:27:42] » Technology repeating yourself again.

[2:27:51] what we've been federal since 1981. I think we've heard a lot about what can

[2:27:58] be done, but we haven't heard what they will do. Um,

[2:28:09] a lot of people touched on that consumption, the water usage and the

[2:28:14] noise, but there's also the eway, the frequent hardware upgrades upgrades and

[2:28:21] replacements generate significant volume of electronic waste

[2:28:26] um rotation risk flooding um natural disasters um and impact

[2:28:34] operations and impact local infrastructure. I've only ever heard how

[2:28:39] the fire department would ever be able to respond to a fire in a place like

[2:28:44] this. Would they have an fire department on on site?

[2:28:55] » That's very concerning. This is fine. Are we all going to be elapating to

[2:28:59] China?

[2:29:03] So one of the concern big concern about that one thing I was so concerned about

[2:29:09] what is the Maryland Tech Council and is it affiliating with the

[2:29:14] government the Maryland government? No. So is it a lobbying group?

[2:29:22] » Yes. >> So does it tell me if you're a lobbying

[2:29:25] group? It's just saying nonprofit.

[2:29:36] » Yeah, those are both of mine. So, the marijuana tech council is an

[2:29:39] organization that's been around for 41 years to advance the idea of innovation

[2:29:43] and technology in general, right? So we work with firms in order to be able to

[2:29:49] create an environment an ecosystem to am I allowed to answer this question

[2:29:55] without somebody pointing at me in the face and screaming at me.

[2:29:58] » Thank you because I'm going to we were born 21 years ago in order to be

[2:30:05] able to create an ecosystem of health and environments and technology by

[2:30:09] innovation to be able to help humans. a large part of our organization with bio

[2:30:13] health and life science biotech those organizations that are every single day

[2:30:18] doing research and development to save everybody in this room from sickness to

[2:30:23] be able to diagnose to be able to create therapies and to create pharmaceutical

[2:30:27] opportunities for the other half of my organization is technology oriented it's

[2:30:32] innovation like data centers like AI like cyber security like working with

[2:30:37] our federal government and national security issues like drone

[2:30:41] like the drones that I visited here in the agricultural community to help with

[2:30:45] the farming that's happening in agricultural communities all over the

[2:30:48] state and all over the country. That's what the Maryland Tech Council does. We

[2:30:52] have a 501c6. We do have a 501c3 umbrella underneath us. But we operate

[2:30:57] as 501c an educational opportunity to talk about technology and innovation so

[2:31:05] that Maryland can continue to be competitive

[2:31:09] because Maryland needs to be competitive. We need to be able to

[2:31:12] create your jobs. finish.

[2:31:25] » You're not allowed.

[2:31:29] » So,

[2:31:33] have you guys would you guys request that any um official sign a

[2:31:39] non-disclosure? >> No.

[2:32:03] I live in Liberty Road behind us and I travel every day. Um the company that

[2:32:11] was going to purchase the land for salmon farm, they do have it

[2:32:20] to mar.

[2:32:24] » Okay. Because my thing is if you need water from somewhere else, are you going

[2:32:30] to use that word? Because there's that search breeding ground.

[2:32:35] They're protected.

[2:32:49] The word

[2:32:53] am

[2:33:01] that's not how

[2:33:10] Where else are they?

[2:33:14] You guys don't live

[2:33:33] also. So,

[2:33:36] so the question is if we're going to spur

[2:33:41] I said no. The reason that we have a closed loop

[2:33:46] system is so that a larger property and it's reused and so that doesn't get out

[2:33:54] into the stream.

[2:34:08] » So we're not water. So it's not going to make it to the

[2:34:13] regular marsh this morning.

[2:34:20] No.

[2:34:24] No.

[2:34:28] Water and technology.

[2:34:54] First and foremost, I'm not a rich tour, but I moved here almost 18 years ago

[2:35:00] because this town made me feel like my hometown

[2:35:12] has changed I'm not I get to start. I know what it takes to run data center.

[2:35:20] I know what can happen. I've been there. We don't have we didn't have closing

[2:35:26] systems. We do now. Yes, there are benefits and there are pros and cons to

[2:35:31] it. What I will say if this gets approved with big ass what measures you

[2:35:38] have in place for federal laws and regulation that you will be inspecting

[2:35:43] and ordered on a yearly basis.

[2:35:50] So the um by law bylaw it's already going

[2:35:58] » the state of Maryland's

[2:36:18] there's which air

[2:36:21] and that is a federal standard and if you violate that standard they will

[2:36:35] from aation from a federal government perspective

[2:36:39] they get more right and there's elections a lot of those elections are

[2:36:44] done outside a separate agency a third party so Does it all made in the

[2:36:50] government first? Are they done using third party?

[2:36:56] » So there's lots of government third party training groups that have

[2:37:03] certifications and training and they do the regular

[2:37:07] inspection and then report to report to state

[2:37:13] inspection. So those two developed are there metrics

[2:37:18] that you guys are measuring against for me if I were to look at that. the

[2:37:24] way

[2:37:27] from an air standle there's every every county in the United States

[2:37:34] of America is is and they put out a registry measures a

[2:37:40] bunch of things 24-hour pollution

[2:37:45] and they measure and they part and if your county doesn't meet the

[2:37:51] requirements they

[2:37:55] um enter those

[2:38:02] if you're not entertainment then you won't receive the permanent you won't be

[2:38:07] able to

[2:38:13] deny that I'm not disregarding anybody just from where I come from a cyber

[2:38:20] security perspective If you have vulnerability and you don't

[2:38:25] protect that vulnerability and you don't do anything,

[2:38:28] they will shut off. That's what kind of sounds like

[2:38:44] Kathy Greg

[2:38:51] verse four.

[2:39:12] Hi

[2:39:20] my own virtual lived on radio for close to 50 years. Uh

[2:39:27] I live out at the end of it until 3 years ago and now I live in three towns

[2:39:34] away from being in town across the street from his town on the way out. I

[2:39:41] had water and I had a pound steel available to go to. So just about

[2:39:48] uh I can't even listen to what was said. Uh

[2:39:54] I'm not an engineer when I worked in the mechanical trade

[2:39:59] for over 50 years. of you talking about you're going to

[2:40:05] have gas plants and generate your electricity that's going to take a

[2:40:09] massive amount gau it is

[2:40:14] that is true also heating I understand you're going to use high efficiency low

[2:40:21] heating systems that can reach probably up to 96% efficiency

[2:40:27] and low demar and full demand they're going to be

[2:40:31] about 60% % efficiency and you left that part out but that is bad. So that would

[2:40:36] be polluting the air pretty heavily at that point. Check me I don't want to

[2:40:42] talk. Um we the

[2:40:48] um I was four years old when we did this podcast around here and when they did

[2:40:53] they ran a gas line it went down. It comes from the bridge comes right

[2:41:00] straight through Mard there from the garbage as well.

[2:41:05] It's a well line. It's been there since 1960. It goes to President where it

[2:41:12] ports and from that one branch goes down through V and East Cambridge. The other

[2:41:20] branch goes through Presley and East and St. Michael.

[2:41:27] That steel line in my front yard has been maxed out and over pressurized for

[2:41:33] a number of years. Again, it comes from bridging and gas

[2:41:38] coming a few years ago, but probably everybody here saw this new law down 13.

[2:41:45] The reason why they did that is because the state of Delaware

[2:41:49] decided to build thousands and thousands of new houses down around the beach and

[2:41:56] eastern southern SC and that new oversized gas man is taxed to the limit.

[2:42:05] So right now I'm not sure you can get your guests in Pennsylvania down here

[2:42:09] unless you're going to run from here all the way to Pennsylvania because I don't

[2:42:13] think they have a capacity there and I know

[2:42:18] here those are just facts. I don't know if you looked into that when you bought

[2:42:22] property or not but that's not me. Um, as far as the availability of that,

[2:42:30] that's something that you probably need to check into.

[2:42:33] Um, the the last thing that I want to talk about very quickly is the lady

[2:42:39] mentioned the sturgeon, those not familiar, but the Northland surgeon

[2:42:44] breeds in this body of Lord right across the street here. They have a thousand a

[2:42:50] year. I'd like to see if they thousands more. You savor a closed loop system

[2:42:55] that doesn't gain or lose any water theoretically, but I know that in times

[2:43:01] of an emergency or whatever, you would wind up pulling water into that system,

[2:43:07] even though it's closed loop. I'm familiar with that and you would wind up

[2:43:11] in charge or two, especially if your electric was down below

[2:43:16] because not enough gas.

[2:43:48] If I look correctly, you guys apply property. probably a few years ago

[2:43:51] already.

[2:43:59] » You guys have already

[2:44:05] knew that or not. >> All right. So, as a developer, you've

[2:44:09] already done you've already

[2:44:13] fact what they want. That's that's a problem.

[2:44:18] So, I'm just going to tell everybody go to the smoke.

[2:44:22] » All right. Do your homework. Look around.

[2:44:26] There's reason why a lot of people complain. It's because of this. All

[2:44:29] right. Y'all want something to hide. That's only

[2:44:54] You forgot maybe one train station

[2:45:06] with me know

[2:45:18] I remember back.

[2:45:25] We were told back

[2:45:36] in the structure problems.

[2:45:43] Yeah, I heard about that. You can talk about how many builds are going to be

[2:45:50] available for people. He said 100, right?

[2:45:54] » So 160 on site and then another thousand broader ecosystem. Oh, he says the data

[2:46:03] 247 did you shift 100 people

[2:46:09] to 40 jobs per 8 hours? That's how you figure that 80 hours. I don't see how

[2:46:18] we're a whole bunch having 80 people jobs for $800,000

[2:46:24] 800,000 of good built in. Yeah. Whatever.

[2:46:30] instead of saying

[2:46:36] » 160 jobs per day

[2:46:42] or something. How's that?

[2:46:50] » Yeah.

[2:47:09] Steve Thomas

[2:47:20] said

[2:47:24] he said they closed consistently wast,000

[2:47:30] gallons a day. County

[2:47:35] also have

[2:47:41] micro >> that's supposedly

[2:48:01] on site.

[2:48:08] So

[2:48:15] there you go. How big are you? Are you talking about windows?

[2:48:19] » Yeah. So the question was first off and completed design. the

[2:48:26] general came up here said they had everything to be redone otherwise

[2:48:30] wouldn't have shared the time um but that required approval from county and

[2:48:36] my friend we were not there right so we're in the design phase and as I was

[2:48:40] saying what can we to work with us on that as far as the

[2:48:46] onsite system um right now I'm looking at looking at fuel cell

[2:48:54] land for Green

[2:49:00] County.

[2:49:04] They're the third richest county in the state of America. We're the second

[2:49:07] horse.

[2:49:12] the range. You're comparing typically most area on

[2:49:19] the planet to a single latest in potentially fur. There's really not a

[2:49:28] great correlation because we're not planning to build, you know, um 600,

[2:49:34] [snorts] 400 data centers in, you know,

[2:49:42] I mean, but one take

[2:49:48] you houses in Baltimore City to put in Baltimore City

[2:50:01] Ron

[2:50:12] Gina.

[2:50:34] All right.

[2:50:37] Thank you.

[2:50:47] and wanted to understand what the project was about

[2:50:52] and most looking at

[2:50:59] um now I understand it's a very emotional topic

[2:51:09] uh and just

[2:51:14] I really encourage people and and I I respect everything that people have

[2:51:18] said, you know, about concerns for what happens, you know, because

[2:51:29] there could also be some manifest forget about those things to be

[2:51:36] contained or planned for. Um I know our heart country is

[2:51:43] struggling financially you know and

[2:51:53] you know with China and one of those would be

[2:51:57] able to keep up and then that gets into their military and defense.

[2:52:04] Um I guess my question would be would there be any potential for things

[2:52:12] to adv?

[2:52:24] Um so to answer your question is that um there would be no future phases if the

[2:52:31] first couple phases um didn't go well um every

[2:52:39] so there would be no future phases if the city determined that it wasn't

[2:52:45] so unless

[2:52:49] the city future phases but that's quite a round

[2:53:00] What kind of generator or backup

[2:53:06] would you guys have?

[2:53:11] So, so the question is what kind of they do. So there'll be a combination of

[2:53:17] thermal producer

[2:53:28] backup system you know um the way they prevent So

[2:53:37] come down

[2:53:40] there.

[2:53:55] So the question that she's asking is what kind of gas

[2:54:01] would there gas

[2:54:09] us? So you think about

[2:54:19] the last name

[2:54:30] also

[2:54:35] follow

[2:54:42] Jack, push your feet.

[2:54:56] » I'm sure spent 65 now 66 years here.

[2:55:04] little Susan I think this is the first she's

[2:55:10] a wonderful person she's done all these things

[2:55:13] um I'm gonna come over here by a couple of questions but I like to see

[2:55:19] are you going to be the owner operator of this facility

[2:55:24] nobody

[2:55:31] should do it nobody

[2:55:35] Do you think or believe that?

[2:55:41] » A data center before. >> Yes. Where is it located? Um I'm located

[2:55:47] around specific where

[2:55:51] I built >> I [snorts]

[2:55:56] built in Asia Pacific. I built in Australia.

[2:56:02] South America, United States, Europe and

[2:56:09] » what I would like you to do is get the addresses from those to the mayor and

[2:56:14] council so that we can research with people around us to see how things are

[2:56:19] going to

[2:56:29] people around. Do you have any engagement with people around those data

[2:56:34] centers?

[2:56:37] » Do you have any non-disclosure agreements with any of the people living

[2:56:41] around those centers?

[2:56:47] » Would you release people in those areas to be free to talk with people?

[2:57:01] So I know the importance of legacy the work that I've done is very good. I've

[2:57:07] also gone benefits during co

[2:57:12] I have hundreds of families through that time. So I'd like to talk about that as

[2:57:17] well.

[2:57:26] Okay. So let's sit and if you want to talk about the entire body

[2:57:36] for

[2:57:45] the part that you did in the beginning

[2:57:49] you talked about you talked about the noise group what you didn't mention is

[2:57:54] that that was just for the noise from a data center is 247

[2:58:00] and there's also different levels about measure sound

[2:58:05] » because what we hear is different than what we

[2:58:09] don't live or animal sense and they will be affected

[2:58:35] Hello, I am a lover. I turned 17 in two days. I am from but I grow in and around

[2:58:44] This tower means a lot to me. My family has been in this area for generations.

[2:58:49] Then the daily center's negative effects would also be our local businesses which

[2:58:54] could devastate a resident light. Is this to be accounted for? The Daily

[2:58:59] Center also devastating negative effects on local wildlife. Is there a plan to

[2:59:04] make sure that local wildlife is protected from these events effects? You

[2:59:09] cannot just tell you the permanent effects that this has had. And my

[2:59:13] generation is the one that is going after the Buddhist, not yours. Those

[2:59:18] second

[2:59:21] He do not want to say

[2:59:36] 216.

[2:59:50] So question what's your backup solution all

[2:59:56] what is your backup water solution all of a sudden if water systems fail what

[3:00:01] is your backup second what's your backup fuel system how is it good for the 36

[3:00:08] Now the temperatures can get up to 9,000 degrees.

[3:00:14] How is the fire going? What fire suppression systems do you

[3:00:19] have in realistic data you have?

[3:00:28] » So first of all the thousand plus system it's

[3:00:35] catch on fire. It's not hard to do. >> No, it doesn't. It's refractive. It's

[3:00:41] refractable. It's breaks and you just turn it off and it cools down. Some of

[3:00:48] that water system will be onite water storage. There's not a problem with

[3:00:54] onsite. Well,

[3:00:58] and onsite fuel storage um onsite fuel storage go on onsite fuel

[3:01:04] storage but I don't know how much and I don't know if we can there are

[3:01:09] technology that um different technology you use gas and quite frankly with data

[3:01:17] data center for cloud data centers you can

[3:01:21] turn.

[3:01:49] Everybody has a story. Okay. I think um uh this a great

[3:01:57] opportunity with Durant and I'm not into doing that. This is the decision I

[3:02:02] believe. I just wanted to ask you a quick question. So there's been a lot of

[3:02:06] discussion, a lot of questions. The uh the approval process for this that is

[3:02:12] through the county and the town. Is that accurate?

[3:02:17] Help me out. help me understand that because I've been the phone that it is

[3:02:22] up with the county and the town um and that there are preliminary discussions.

[3:02:28] I'm kind of taken back, you know, earlier because it sounded as if this

[3:02:32] project already go. I wanted to clarify that if you

[3:02:38] could just answer that quickly and then I've got one quick question for you.

[3:02:44] Um at this point there is not a project >> [clears throat]

[3:02:47] » We have not submitted anything. We have not gone through the process. This is

[3:02:52] this is the information

[3:03:03] » and the fire department was here earlier meeting.

[3:03:06] They had a question about responding to electrical wires. I'm not CT CP.

[3:03:17] » So the question from the fire company was what are the standards? What are the

[3:03:21] procedures? What are what's in place and what has been done to deal with fire

[3:03:26] suppression with data centers? We've had a lot of issues with uh looking at bad

[3:03:31] news. Uh we you know we feel like we've been

[3:03:35] getting a lot of complaints about lifting batteries. We've asked the fire

[3:03:39] marshal to update the fire code. We've been told the fire already updated an

[3:03:44] allboard problem in in for us looking back with the fire suppression.

[3:03:53] How was that addressed or can you just talk about that a little bit?

[3:04:00] So, so the bigger issue is that when we were when we were uh exploring

[3:04:07] um and just you know looking at regulations that it came up about

[3:04:12] and the issue was that fire department and that you know um

[3:04:21] safety is fair and we agree with that and so we're not we're not supposed to

[3:04:26] be in live in the world. We're proposing

[3:04:30] energy storage with breakfast and um so that ensures you know that

[3:04:36] doesn't cause a risk to volunteer firearm

[3:04:42] um there could be bad within the racks themselves just like a little system

[3:04:46] that you might have in themselves

[3:04:51] and those are in a computer that has a self suppression symptom and they have

[3:04:56] to be affected by um the fire your instances of your county they would have

[3:05:02] to like the fire suppression so there's no risk

[3:05:11] » yeah so the process very quick is it approved by county in the town is there

[3:05:18] an approval process and we'll elaborate on that just a little bit further here

[3:05:26] so just The project is in what it's expension of

[3:05:33] the industrial quality for the city or federal fur. So the city or federal fur

[3:05:38] would be the authority having jurisdiction that will

[3:05:44] the city doesn't have a city planning commission by other location. So it will

[3:05:50] most likely be a joint effort between the city and the county. However, that

[3:05:56] is struggling.

[3:06:06] I just want to get that on the record and uh you know we this is a local issue

[3:06:11] and we are state representatives but we do represent everyone in this room and

[3:06:15] there's a lot of folks for the SE and even though we're not part of those

[3:06:19] direct you know those direct discussions and things but county I know our

[3:06:24] delegation very interested in this and I know we may have a little recent

[3:06:28] decision local but we intend to be fully fully involved and uh I think a lot of

[3:06:34] said this is interesting for the town to come in and propose

[3:06:40] something like this. And there's been some really bold statements. I think

[3:06:44] that energy prices were going to go down. There's going to be no use of

[3:06:47] water. There are a number of mistakes that were made. And I just encourage you

[3:06:52] just to follow up with some proof and evidence of those statements because I

[3:06:57] think that's one of the things that you know when you say something that's said

[3:07:01] that was one thing but I think they're understanding and and knowing what's

[3:07:05] being said would be very helpful because this is a traumatic this is a very

[3:07:10] traumatic discussion and um even though the discussion has been tough I think

[3:07:14] that the participants at all their truest feelings were sent in so I will

[3:07:19] thank everyone. Thank you.

[3:07:29] » But I thank you all for coming tonight. They have like they were asking

[3:07:35] questions. >> So I want to thank you all for coming.

[3:07:40] We know topic. Just to clarify, we do have a planning and donating commission

[3:07:46] um that will also be reviewing this. they things to mayor and council. That's

[3:07:52] how that process does work. Um so thank you all for coming. Um and we will be

[3:07:57] posting your information as we move along. Thank you.

[3:08:38] This is Holiday.

Public Information Session - Data Center 7-13-2026

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