[0:00] March 2nd the question.

[0:02] more than a minute, but

[0:03] You need to approve the chain folder.

[0:05] We we

[0:06] is progress.

[0:08] [laughter] Just text me.

[0:09] [laughter]

[0:11] It was only going to take three weeks.

[0:13] I'll know where to vote.

[0:14] just caught on. It only took three weeks.

[0:17] I said, we're going to dredge,

[0:18] we're going to

[0:20] Our Army Corps of Engineers,

[0:25] We need to approve the chain for them.

[0:27] probably going to go

[0:32] I hope the only people who want to trust the damage.

[0:37] Right.

[0:39] Okay. Angela.

[0:40] She's running the beach.

[0:41] Hi.

[0:42] she's running.

[0:43] Yes.

[0:44] I didn't see you coming.

[0:45] Yes.

[0:46] because if he gets to

[0:49] this, this may be one of the this

[0:53] because I

[0:54] going to just this, this

[0:57] This.

[0:58] Oh, just

[0:59] let's go.

[1:04] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:06] It's a complicated figure.

[1:09] Yeah.

[1:10] You want to use a shovel or what happens?

[1:13] [laughter]

[1:14] It's not.

[1:16] Hi.

[1:18] You know why?

[1:19] It's going to take it out of

[1:21] Yeah, I the other.

[1:22] This one's good, this one's

[1:24] I didn't put it in here.

[1:27] Oh.

[1:29] I didn't you want to do it.

[1:31] I didn't really know.

[1:32] Just come on.

[1:33] And the sign along is

[1:35] signing along is

[1:38] Oh, my goodness.

[1:42] back, yeah.

[1:43] Yeah, back issues are bad. I understand.

[1:49] So, yeah, no, I understand.

[1:52] I got myself back once a month.

[1:57] I don't give a damn.

[1:58] I have to call it.

[2:00] I think so.

[2:00] you go for

[2:01] I go to

[2:02] I go to wonder.

[2:04] Okay.

[2:06] Right.

[2:10] here for that too.

[2:11] I go to

[2:12] across the street.

[2:14] You seen him? Arlington.

[2:16] I could not you see what I'm saying?

[2:22] I could, I have to.

[2:23] All right.

[2:25] Okay, it's 5:30.

[2:27] I'll need to order.

[2:28] We'll freeze down for the pledge of allegiance and a blessing by Pastor Jan.

[2:33] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

[2:38] And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[2:47] Gracious Lord, we again thank you

[2:50] for this wonderful community

[2:52] and for all those who work to make it this way.

[2:55] Those who organized such events as the Rodeo, the Mexican Fiesta,

[3:00] those who make choices, decisions, and those who work to make them

[3:03] enjoyable, safe, and successful.

[3:07] Lord, we ask that you protect all who work on our streets,

[3:10] in our cemeteries, in all other jobs from the effects of this heat.

[3:16] We ask that you guide us and lead us tonight.

[3:19] Amen.

[3:20] [chatter] All right, Justin.

[3:23] [chatter] you can go.

[3:25] Yeah.

[3:26] Council member Sparrow.

[3:28] Here.

[3:29] Duly.

[3:30] Here.

[3:31] Jaeger.

[3:32] Here.

[3:33] Emmet.

[3:34] Here.

[3:36] All right, the first item on the agenda is a proclamation

[3:39] for National Assisted Living Week,

[3:41] which is September the 13th to the 18th.

[3:44] So, whereas National Assisted Living Week is observed

[3:47] each year to celebrate the individuals who call

[3:50] assisted living communities home,

[3:52] and to honor the dedicated professionals who serve them

[3:55] with compassion, respect, and unwavering commitment.

[3:58] And whereas, assisted living communities throughout Fort Madison

[4:01] provide welcoming homes where residents can receive quality care,

[4:05] build meaningful relationships and continue to participate in

[4:09] and contribute to our community.

[4:12] And whereas, the residents of assisted living communities

[4:16] enrich Fort Madison with a lifetime of wisdom, experiences,

[4:19] stories, and contributions,

[4:22] and deserve to be recognized and celebrated for

[4:24] the important role they continue to play in our community.

[4:27] And whereas, caregivers, staff, administrators

[4:30] and volunteers in assisted living communities

[4:34] demonstrate every day their commitment to providing support,

[4:38] companionship, dignity, and compassionate care to those they serve.

[4:43] And whereas, the 2026 National Assisted Living Week theme,

[4:46] Shining through the years, celebrates the enduring light,

[4:50] strength, and wisdom of assisted living residents and recognizes

[4:54] the caring professionals who support them each day.

[4:58] And where.

[5:00] as National Assisted Living Week

[5:02] provides an opportunity for our community to express appreciation

[5:06] for the residents, families,

[5:09] caregivers, staff, and volunteers who make assisted living communities

[5:14] places of connection, compassion and home.

[5:18] Now, therefore, be it proclaimed

[5:20] that I, Melinda Blind, mayor of the city of Fort Madison, Iowa,

[5:25] do hereby proclaim September the 13th through the 19th, 2026,

[5:29] as National Assisted Living Week in Fort Madison.

[5:32] and encourage all residents to join in recognizing and celebrating

[5:36] the residents, families, caregivers, staff, and volunteers of our local assisted living communities

[5:43] for the important role they play in our community.

[5:47] We have a representative fromwood Village here

[5:51] to receive a proclamation.

[5:57] So, I'm going to go ahead and say thank you for all you do. My mother was assisted living for seven years,

[6:02] so I know what you guys do.

[6:05] There's the and do you have two for cheering?

[6:06] I choose. Yes.

[6:08] All right.

[6:09] okay? And introduce yourself.

[6:11] Do you want to get a photo, Melinda?

[6:13] Oh, yeah, that'd be good. I kinda forgot.

[6:14] We have photographers over here.

[6:17] True. I didn't think about it.

[6:18] I was trying to get this to Okay.

[6:19] I will admit it. Okay. Okay.

[6:22] doesn't take pictures unless asked to have a change of order.

[6:26] justified.

[6:27] Thank you.

[6:28] Okay.

[6:29] Thank you.

[6:30] Okay. Okay.

[6:33] Well, good evening.

[6:34] My name is Brenda Graham. I serve as the director of assisted living and memory care at Burwood Village.

[6:40] So, thank you for taking the time to let me address the crowd a little bit.

[6:45] Um, I'm here not to only introduce Burwood Village,

[6:49] but part of our celebration of the upcoming National Assisted Living Week.

[6:54] Uh, Burwood Village is actually unique in our community that we offer a full continuum of care,

[6:59] that includes independent living, assisted living, memory care,

[7:03] skilled nursing, long-term care, and ventilator care.

[7:08] So, everything we do is guided by one simple mission,

[7:11] providing personalized care while fostering lasting relationships.

[7:16] This mission is carried out every single day by the nearly

[7:19] 150 employees who work on our campus.

[7:23] I think that's something that most people are not aware of in our community,

[7:26] how large and what a big employer we are.

[7:30] Um, that includes caregivers, nurses, respiratory therapists,

[7:34] dietary and housekeeping staff, activities coordinators, and administrative team members

[7:40] who show up for our residents and their families.

[7:44] We're excited to celebrate our assisted living community in particular during National Assisted Living Week

[7:49] from September 13th through the 19th.

[7:52] It's a week set aside to recognize our residents, to celebrate their stories

[7:57] and to honor the caregivers and staff who support them with skill and compassion every day.

[8:03] At Burwood Village, we in particular, besides our normal routine of activities

[8:08] have two special events planned to mark the week.

[8:11] On Monday, September 14th, we're hosting a rise and shine breakfast

[8:14] for our residents and their families and special guests.

[8:18] And on Thursday, September 17th, we're holding our assisted living

[8:21] shining star staff appreciation party.

[8:25] our chance to say thank you to the team members

[8:28] who make Burwood Village so special.

[8:31] And I do want to recognize that Burwood Village is not alone in this work.

[8:36] Fort Madison is fortunate to have two other assisted living communities

[8:40] caring for seniors as well.

[8:43] National Assisted Living Week is a moment for all of us in this field across our whole community

[8:49] to shine a light on the value of of quality senior care.

[8:54] Thank you again for your time and for your continued support

[8:57] of senior care in Fort Madison.

[9:01] Thank you very much.

[9:03] All right. So now we're going to get back on track with the schedule a little bit

[9:06] and we are going to do visitors and appearance requests.

[9:08] Is there anyone in the audience who wishes to address the council

[9:12] on an item that is not on the agenda?

[9:15] Yes.

[9:16] All right, sir. If you'll come up and identify yourself.

[9:18] Give your name and address, please.

[9:19] Yes, my name is Randy Strebach.

[9:21] I live at 3036 Avenue E, Fort Madison, Iowa.

[9:24] Um, I'm here tonight.

[9:25] I got a uh certified

[9:26] letter in the mail by having a boat poked to my

[9:28] poked to my yard, my front yard, which is fine.

[9:31] I understand it's against City Code.

[9:34] But is what it happened on August 19th. I got the letter.

[9:37] And mayor, nice to meet you. I've never met you.

[9:40] I live next to you for 30 years.

[9:43] Never met you. I I remember I remember I remember you when you were much younger.

[9:45] [laughter]

[9:46] Yeah. A lot younger. About 30 years younger.

[9:48] Mhm.

[9:49] And that that situation's been addressed.

[9:52] But now is it just one neighbor

[9:55] or is it city code violation for all neighbors.

[9:58] Because

[10:00] I have a city code violation here.

[10:01] That's another one in your name.

[10:03] Okay.

[10:04] That I think's your friend.

[10:06] That's been the same, that the issue's been there since I got my certified letter.

[10:13] But his isn't addressed yet. I can guess, can I pass these out?

[10:16] Um, yes, you can pass it out. We, we can address anything.

[10:22] That's fine.

[10:23] Um, I would suggest that you contact, have, have you talked to Officer Judd?

[10:28] I talked to him, yes.

[10:30] Okay.

[10:31] Not about this issue.

[10:32] Okay.

[10:33] I'm talking about the bow dish.

[10:35] Okay.

[10:36] Which I got to get changed. I'm going to try to get that issue changed.

[10:38] Okay.

[10:39] But what it goes that far or not.

[10:41] Okay.

[10:42] But so I got to talk to him first about this issue?

[10:46] He or um, Chief, can you can you assist this gentleman um after the meeting?

[10:53] Absolutely.

[10:54] What time is your meeting over, usually?

[10:56] Oh, when he gets over.

[10:57] No, I get that. I get that.

[10:59] I'll step outside.

[11:00] Okay.

[11:01] Thank you, Cody, I appreciate that.

[11:02] Thank you. All right, sir. Thank you.

[11:06] [squeaking]

[11:08] Hey, is there anyone else who has anything that they wish to talk about?

[11:13] Okay.

[11:15] So now we are going to move on to the consent agenda. Um, looking for a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda.

[11:22] Eger moves.

[11:23] Emmet 2.

[11:26] Okay, under the uh consent agenda are the minutes of August the 18th.

[11:30] alcohol license amendment for Holy Trinity Catholic Schools,

[11:35] uh, August the 26th claims, library claims

[11:38] and payroll of August the 23rd, 2026.

[11:42] Any questions?

[11:44] Okay. Justina.

[11:47] Council member Telly.

[11:48] Yes.

[11:49] Jager?

[11:50] Yes.

[11:51] Roller?

[11:52] Yes.

[11:53] Emmet?

[11:53] Yes.

[11:54] Spiro?

[11:55] Yes.

[11:58] Okay, we have enough people here right now, so we are going to,

[12:03] we were a little worried that we may need to move item number two further on down the line. Um, but sorry.

[12:08] We got we got Angela here.

[12:09] Okay, we're good.

[12:10] So, we're good.

[12:12] and your ordinances and resolutions,

[12:15] item number two, looking for a motion and a second to approve the third and final reading

[12:19] of an ordinance repealing and replacing title three, chapter five, housing code

[12:23] of the Fort Madison City Code.

[12:27] Earl moves.

[12:28] Yager 2.

[12:30] Okay, um, since the last meeting, um, Matt Emmet had a

[12:39] we didn't talk about it the last meeting because you had just received it.

[12:42] Sure.

[12:43] And so now everybody has looked at it.

[12:46] So I guess I'm going to kind of turn in

[12:49] I'm going to officially make a motion to amend with that. I hope everybody

[12:53] had a chance to read it. I think Pat talked about that it doesn't

[12:57] remove the um, you know, the city side is in uh in compliance

[13:02] with what we're trying to do.

[13:07] I I just think that it's uh it's a little bit less threatening

[13:10] than just the the normal language and and goes to, you know, demonstrate

[13:14] that we are attempting to protect people's privacy.

[13:19] Um, I think everybody's read it. I don't know if I have to read it in here if uh how that works.

[13:25] Um, I I mean, I will just uh, I I mean, I'll be honest that

[13:30] you know, uh

[13:33] I I'm not going to make a big, but uh, you know, Pat did state that while he doesn't think it's necessary,

[13:38] and you know, my opinion's different on it, but uh,

[13:41] his comments were expressly recognizes a tenant's right to refuse the warrantless entries.

[13:47] protects privacy interest without penalizing.

[13:51] Uh, retains judicial oversight before entry occurs, avoids creating a class

[13:55] of units that um are not receiving regular inspections and remains

[13:59] consistent with the ordinance stated proposals. So,

[14:04] it's no risk to the proposal

[14:06] but gives a a a little bit of guidance to a renter what their their rights are.

[14:10] and I think that's important. So, that's that's all I have to say.

[14:14] So, I have a question, Council member Emmett.

[14:17] Are you wanting to amend section 3-58, Section A, I mean, paragraph A?

[14:22] Yeah, I think the 8 and then the amendment to 3511.

[14:26] I believe that's what Pat intended when providing the language for this.

[14:30] I don't want to speak for him. I I'm sure he's he's here but

[14:34] it was my understanding that that was the language that he provided for me if I wanted to.

[14:39] Sure. So,

[14:40] this evening we actually have um Dan Morgan filling in for Pat. Pat took a vacation,

[14:47] which is good for Pat.

[14:48] And so Dan is filling in um tonight as a part of our meeting, especially this portion.

[14:55] Um, Dan, is there anything you wanted to add? I know Pat will do you in on this.

[15:00] No, I think

[15:02] I think Councilman Emmett has summed up pretty well.

[15:05] that was the email that Pat shared with the changes to the

[15:09] proposed changes to sections 3-5-8 A8 and then section

[15:15] 3-5-11, uh, were to have kind of a middle ground, I think with

[15:22] the councilman's uh concerns, as as the councilman indicated,

[15:26] I don't necessarily uh to to necessarily outline what is

[15:31] already provided for by the Constitution or the code of

[15:35] However, uh, if that is something the council wants to consider at

[15:39] least kind of putting writers, I suppose, on notice of those rights

[15:44] to a certain extent. Uh, that is what Pat was proposing for those

[15:48] changes to uh A8 and then C. Okay, uh, is there any discussion

[15:55] by any council members or do you just want to vote on the amendment?

[16:00] I'd answer any question anybody has. If not, I prefer a vote.

[16:04] motion in second.

[16:06] Oh, there was no second to that?

[16:07] No second. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.

[16:10] Oh, oh, you have a comment.

[16:12] just public it, has the amendment been read into the record or is the

[16:18] public have access to the amendment. Why don't we read the amendment?

[16:20] Do you want to read the amendment? read the amendment into the record?

[16:25] Uh, suggested amendment um 3-5-8A. A consent to inspection,

[16:30] the owner or occupant may refuse consent to routine inspection.

[16:36] Refusal of consent shall not constitute a violation of this

[16:41] chapter and shall not by itself result in penalties against the

[16:44] owner or the occupant. In cases where consent is withheld, the city

[16:53] may seek an administrative inspection warrant or other lawful process

[16:59] authorized by law. Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to

[17:03] exempt any rental housing unit from the city's rental inspection

[17:06] program or from the inspection pursuant to any lawful issued warrant.

[17:09] Uh 2A. I'm sorry for that. Uh, suggested amendment 3-5-11. Uh,

[17:16] Occupant privacy protections, no occupant shall be required to

[17:20] consent to a warrantless inspection. Refusal of consent shall not be

[17:25] considered evidence of code violation. Um, these were numbered one, two,

[17:31] three and four on this last one. Uh, so number three, when access is

[17:34] denied, the city shall pursue inspection through a lawful

[17:42] administrative warrant procedures when inspection remains necessary.

[17:44] Number four, nothing in this section shall be interpreted to

[17:47] remove a rental housing unit from the city's program or routine rental

[17:51] inspections. All right then. Thank you, check. I appreciate that. Um,

[17:57] we need a second or not. Uh, I guess once it's said owner in there,

[18:01] I don't know, but I can second it. I wouldn't want to not, but uh,

[18:05] I'll second the amendment. Motion for the amendment. Okay, so we have

[18:07] a motion and a second.

[18:09] So, are we ready to vote?

[18:11] Okay. Justina.

[18:12] Council member Jaeger. No.

[18:15] Roller? No.

[18:16] Emmet? Yes.

[18:18] Sparrow? No.

[18:20] Tealey. Abstain.

[18:26] Now, we are back to the original reading of the ordinance.

[18:31] Is there anyone, is there any further discussion on that? Is there anyone

[18:36] in the audience who would like to say anything? All right. In that case,

[18:46] are we ready to vote? something there. I was going to ask, Matt, do you want

[18:53] to wait until we have the additional council members before we move forward

[19:03] on this? Okay, Justina. Council member Tealey. Abstain due to this

[19:05] regulates my business. Jaeger? Yes.

[19:08] Roller? Yes.

[19:09] Emmet? No.

[19:10] Sparrow? Yes.

[19:18] So, the motion failed.

[19:24] unless do we have Rusty on the line?

[19:30] Who's Who's iPhone?

[19:33] might be rusty.

[19:36] Okay. I see I hear you, Rusty.

[19:38] Okay. And then your kids.

[19:42] The the vote has already been made, the motion failed.

[19:46] So the rules would continue the same as they were for the previous year.

[19:53] If you can just hear only that.

[19:55] We see that just it.

[19:58] The only other thing that could happen.

[20:00] And is um if

[20:03] Well ask our attorney.

[20:04] Yeah loves

[20:06] I mean we could someone if they wanted to bring it back up at the next meeting,

[20:09] they could let you know that you can do a motion to reconsider.

[20:14] Um well

[20:16] it would have to be somebody from the opposing side who wanted to

[20:19] bring it back up.

[20:22] And somebody from the side who was yep, yep.

[20:27] your your you're good to you're good to let it go.

[20:29] They're still good. good to Yeah.

[20:32] Okay.

[20:32] Okay. Well the motion to reconsider wouldn't take place

[20:35] until the next meeting but

[20:38] Okay. In that case that motion failed.

[20:42] All right then. We are moving on to item number three.

[20:46] Which is a motion in a second to approve the second reading of an ordinance

[20:49] amending title nine traffic by adding chapter 16 electric micro mobility

[20:53] devices to the Fort Madison City Code.

[20:59] Further moves.

[21:01] Here too.

[21:05] Okay.

[21:07] Uh, any conversation regarding this one?

[21:09] Um, I have not had anything, I don't believe.

[21:13] Chief has, the police chief's office is not either.

[21:16] Okay. Is there anyone in the audience who would like to talk about the

[21:19] micro mobility devices?

[21:25] What is it? Oh. Okay.

[21:27] [laughter]

[21:28] Laura, would you like to do a

[21:30] Sure. I can give a quick. I can give a brief.

[21:33] a camera? Is that what it is?

[21:34] No.

[21:35] No, no, no, no, no.

[21:36] So what it is um the micro um what we're talking about

[21:40] e-mobility.

[21:41] Those are the scooters. The um electric bikes.

[21:44] Um that we've seen a unicycle that's electric.

[21:48] Um all of those type of um vehicles, I guess you could say between a bicycle

[21:54] and a and a motorized, you know, scooter type characteristic is what that is.

[22:03] what's the agenda

[22:06] Is it taxes or you need a license on it?

[22:08] No.

[22:09] No, it is actually regulating where, where they can be at.

[22:14] If they are a certain speed, they're considered as if they're a vehicle.

[22:18] If they um are under certain speed, they can be on the trail.

[22:23] Um, you know, just we're just trying to regulate.

[22:26] This is really comes from our insurance company.

[22:30] And other insurance companies because accidents that involve them, the first

[22:34] thing we get asked is what is the city's code on these.

[22:39] And one of the things about them is there are several different types

[22:42] of them.

[22:42] There is one that is considered to be a class three.

[22:45] Correct?

[22:47] And that one has ability to go 25 miles an hour or higher.

[22:52] And those are the ones that are being um restricted from the city's trail

[22:58] system, if I understand correctly.

[23:03] Um so

[23:05] and it just it just it just sets out some rules and regulations.

[23:07] We are not doing permitting, the state is very restrictive in what can and

[23:12] cannot be done regarding these.

[23:14] micro mobility devices.

[23:16] I never heard that phrase before. considered a bicycle and scooter.

[23:21] Okay. No, I understand that because I did not I had never heard that term

[23:25] until this either. So.

[23:27] Okay, so we

[23:29] [throat clearing]

[23:30] I would like to. And maybe this is more for our final reading, but

[23:38] I feel like whether we put it on the city website, maybe posted on

[23:43] Facebook, but I I feel like I see a lot of

[23:46] there's been some chatter about

[23:49] bicycles being on sidewalks and who's responsibility it is to yield

[23:54] that kind of thing.

[23:56] Yes.

[23:56] And I feel like maybe in a condensed form that maybe there should be some

[24:03] tips about who who needs to get off the sidewalk, the bicyclist.

[24:08] And the pedestrian, the person on the sidewalk has the right away.

[24:13] And I feel like maybe that would maybe clear up some confusion.

[24:18] Sure.

[24:19] Um, and maybe hopefully it feels like it's maybe more children that there's

[24:28] some issues with.

[24:30] Mhm.

[24:31] Um, and maybe parents see this and have conversations conversations with

[24:35] their children about what their expectation is if they're riding their

[24:39] bicycles and their scooters on the sidewalk.

[24:43] The chief has

[24:45] Right, right, right.

[24:46] So, the reason that we use that term um is because as things, new things

[24:51] pop up, um we have to figure out a term in order to be able to place on it.

[24:54] If I say e-bike ordinance, well then that doesn't apply to scooters.

[24:57] get

[24:58] like

[25:00] not a uni.

[25:01] That's exactly.

[25:03] And now, now, now there's a unicycle that goes up towards the 70 miles an hour.

[25:06] So it just, it's, it's one of those things.

[25:09] Right. Yes.

[25:10] 100%. Cause I didn't want to rewrite it twice.

[25:12] That that's understandable.

[25:13] Um, that being said as far as the diagram, I think that is a wise idea.

[25:15] I'll probably get with Justina once this passes.

[25:19] Um, but really first we need to pass the ordinance and then once we pass the ordnance, then we just need to establish a resolution for fines.

[25:25] Um, for those that do violate them.

[25:27] I think the biggest thing here is this is not uh for the purpose of, hey, we got people, you know, you're riding on the sidewalk, we gotcha.

[25:35] Here's your ticket. The purpose is education.

[25:37] Um, and this is to keep kids safe, this is to keep kids safe, this is to keep people safe in the community.

[25:41] Um, we're not out to write tickets, we're not out to write tickets, we're out to just keep the community safe.

[25:44] We're here to serve the community.

[25:45] So.

[25:47] And um

[25:47] in regards to that,

[25:49] I know the police department and we have shared this in the past, I know several times a year, we do push out some safety rules about bikes in the community, regular bicycles.

[25:59] Because that's an issue too.

[26:00] Absolutely.

[26:01] and making sure that [inaudible]

[26:03] [clatter]

[26:04] That answers your question?

[26:05] Anybody else got any more while I'm up here?

[26:07] I kind of like it over here so.

[26:09] [laughter]

[26:10] Uh

[26:11] Double.

[26:11] you just remember that.

[26:14] No, thank you.

[26:16] [clatter]

[26:17] All right then.

[26:18] Um, any further questions from anybody or are we ready to vote?

[26:22] you guys are ready to vote, not me.

[26:26] Okay, Justina.

[26:28] Council member Roller? Yes.

[26:29] Emmet? Yes.

[26:30] Sparrow? Yes.

[26:31] Steely? Yes.

[26:32] Yeager? Yes.

[26:35] Okay, item number four.

[26:36] Looking for a motion and a second to approve the first reading of an ordinance

[26:40] providing the general property taxes levied and collected each year

[26:44] on certain property located within the Innsbruck Residential

[26:47] Urban Renewal Area

[26:50] in the City of Fort Madison, County of Lee, State of Iowa,

[26:52] by and for the benefit of the State of the State of Iowa, City of Fort Madison, County of Lee,

[26:58] Fort Madison Community School District and other taxing districts,

[27:02] be paid to a special fund for payment of principal and interest on loans,

[27:06] monies advanced to and indebtedness,

[27:10] including bonds issued or to be issued,

[27:13] incurred by the city in connection with the Innsbruck Residential Urban Renewal Area,

[27:18] which is the Project Number Two Area.

[27:23] Do you want to repeat that? You lost me at first reading.

[27:26] Thank you, Brick.

[27:27] [laughter]

[27:29] Do you want me to summarize that?

[27:30] No.

[27:32] K. your move, Sis.

[27:33] Roller second.

[27:36] Okay, Laura.

[27:37] Would you like me to take that on?

[27:38] Yes, um, so Council,

[27:39] this this evening, if you remember back about a year ago, we did two development agreements.

[27:44] Um, we're free guarding public infrastructure pieces.

[27:48] Innsbruck is a Green Oak area, and it was actually

[27:52] put together back in 2014. There was a Project One and a Project Two.

[27:59] The time for Project One was completed, Project Two was not.

[28:03] It was still within the time frame for the development agreement to have an amendment to it.

[28:09] We amended the development agreement last fall.

[28:12] We did not do the approval of the ordnance for this one,

[28:16] because we were waiting to see if, you know, the progress of the developer.

[28:21] Um, the developer has met the criteria for the public improvements.

[28:26] as stated in the development agreement and the structures that needed to be built

[28:30] for it to initiate the development agreement.

[28:34] Um, which did include part of the infrastructure cost up front.

[28:40] Um, when he did all the items that finalized up the development agreement,

[28:43] and then the rest of it would be paid back, um, for the public infrastructure through

[28:49] what we call TIF, the tax increment finance payment off of the

[28:53] new taxes created from the properties.

[28:56] Um, so this is now just formalizing it into our ordinances

[29:00] like we've done other development agreement TIFs

[29:03] in our urban renewal plans.

[29:07] Okay, any questions on that?

[29:10] Yeah, I I remember setting this up and voting on it and everything.

[29:13] Did it include interest at the time that we set it up?

[29:18] That's true.

[29:19] To be paid back, like interest from the time it was set up to now?

[29:22] Did this is saying that we're reimbursing interest costs

[29:25] as well as actual costs of things put in.

[29:29] I don't know.

[29:30] So.

[29:31] So what will be is

[29:34] I have received what the true cost of the public infrastructure is.

[29:40] And then we have in the development agreement that we would not exceed

[29:43] a certain amount.

[29:47] Okay.

[29:48] So, with that being said,

[29:49] So that you have interest that they use it on whatever

[29:52] Yeah, whatever

[29:53] the so we are going to pay the

[29:55] half of whatever the public infrastructure cost was, which I think

[30:00] whatever's left in that program from the first phase of 14,

[30:06] came up to like 480 some thousand dollars. And then,

[30:11] so a portion of that will be paid now, and then the city

[30:15] will be reimbursed back our portion of that through the

[30:18] TIFF payment, and the developer will receive the other portion.

[30:23] Um, there's been some changes in this with the state law. So actually, the low to moderate

[30:29] income piece, because this is a true economic development, is actually allowed to be paid

[30:33] back to the city directly, so we can help pay our payment back quicker because we did not

[30:40] designate a project for those funds. So, whatever, you know, that amount, I like I said,

[30:47] 480,000. That is the amount of money that is in the urban renewal. Yes.

[30:55] Okay, any further questions?

[31:01] Justina. Council member Roller? Yes.

[31:03] Emmet? Yes.

[31:04] Sparrow? Yes.

[31:06] DeLee? Yes.

[31:07] Jaeger? Yes.

[31:09] Okay, item number five.

[31:13] Looking for a motion and a second to adopt a resolution approving the mayor's signature on change

[31:19] order number one, for public improvement project 2024-01,

[31:23] 10th Street combined sewer separation project,

[31:27] increasing the contract amount by $38,035.

[31:33] DeLee moved, Sparrow seconds.

[31:37] Okay.

[31:38] Mark, it's a change order.

[31:41] [laughter]

[31:43] I'm not going to pick on you like the last mayor.

[31:45] Appreciate that.

[31:47] Um, so change order number one, like you said, Melinda, this $38,035.

[31:52] Um, this is for the extension of the water main.

[31:55] We have a water main that runs up 10th Street from Avenue F. It stops mid-block.

[32:00] Um, we have to abandon and relocate a section of the water main in the intersection of

[32:07] 10th and F to move it around some structures.

[32:09] In doing that, we're going to cut off service to three properties.

[32:13] Um, so what we're going to do is reconnect the water main from Avenue E down to where it stops

[32:20] mid-block to loop the system, but this is caused due to the need of providing service

[32:25] during the project, and we relocate the existing main in F and 10th.

[32:30] So, uh, we have communicated with the SRF.

[32:33] It sounds like it will be covered by the SRF.

[32:36] We do have contingency in the project.

[32:38] Um, the reason I say it sounds like it's covered is because it's it's clean water, uh, not

[32:45] the not the sewer funds, but this is a direct relation to being in the way of the intakes

[32:51] and having to be relocated as far as that project goes.

[32:54] So, we should be good.

[32:55] If not, the water fund has some money.

[32:59] And in as Mark mentioned, this this project is needed for what we're doing,

[33:05] because once you rip open a street, sometimes your blind surprises.

[33:08] But in the long run, it will be very beneficial for the city and those residents in that

[33:13] block. And the project is continuing on schedule at the moment.

[33:18] It hasn't been going very long, but we're still on schedule even with all the rain.

[33:21] Yeah, it's going good.

[33:23] [laughter] Okay. Free day. I drive to work, and I drive down Avenue E, and I'm like,

[33:28] Wait, you can't do that.

[33:29] You got to remember before you get too far into the best method of it.

[33:35] It's it's habit.

[33:37] It's just habit.

[33:38] We're driving in all new directions and see a new parts of town that we come to work.

[33:42] Yes.

[33:43] They're just narrow streets with a big work truck.

[33:46] [laughter] There you go.

[33:49] I mean, I get it. I get it. But.

[33:52] So, are there any questions or comments on this?

[33:55] Okay.

[33:57] Change order's actually good.

[34:00] All right then, Justina.

[34:01] Council member Emmett? Yes.

[34:03] Sparrow? Yes.

[34:04] DeLee? Yes.

[34:05] Jaeger? Yes.

[34:07] Roller? Yes.

[34:09] All right, item number six.

[34:10] Looking for a motion and a second to adopt a resolution approving a contract

[34:14] with Banner Fire Equipment Incorporated of Roxana, Illinois,

[34:19] for the refurbishment of fire apparatus 9442

[34:23] in an amount not to exceed $238,120.

[34:29] Jaeger moves.

[34:31] Too.

[34:32] All right, Chad.

[34:36] One sheet paper.

[34:38] One sheet of paper?

[34:39] One-sided?

[34:40] No, I got a little bit on the other side.

[34:41] That's why I thought.

[34:42] Both sides.

[34:43] Both sides are fine.

[34:44] I'm sorry. Okay.

[34:46] Big enough.

[34:47] [laughter]

[34:49] Uh, so let's see here. What I'm asking for tonight is,

[34:51] uh, the, uh, this is the 20-year, uh, refurb of our aerial apparatus. It's 9442 is

[34:58] what its designation is.

[35:01] This was a planned refurbishment the

[35:05] going back to 2021, I believe, 2022.

[35:11] Um, the uh, major things that originally there was uh,

[35:16] a lot of different items included in it because of the substantial cost.

[35:22] Uh, I have knocked it completely back to only things that have to do with safety.

[35:28] So, mainly with the uh, the the latter portion of it.

[35:32] Um, the uh, the truck is is 20 years old, it was placed into service in 2006.

[35:39] We uh, received that truck through a uh, AFG grant.

[35:45] Uh, kind of give you an idea how much uh, things have gone up since then.

[35:48] What is an AFG grant?

[35:50] Assistance to Firefighters Grant.

[35:51] Thanks.

[35:52] Sorry about that.

[35:53] [laughter] It's all right.

[35:54] Um, at that time that truck was 700,000,

[35:59] uh, the city paid 70,000 for it.

[36:02] Uh, so, for that amount of money it served the community for 20 years.

[36:09] And the same truck now, now today would be about 2.3 to 2.5 million.

[36:15] So, at uh, some point, uh, I better start writing grants again. [laughter]

[36:21] So,

[36:22] uh, for that amount of money.

[36:23] Those grants are great.

[36:24] So, like I said, the uh, the the truck is in a good shape.

[36:29] We do have a couple of minor things that we have held off on

[36:33] in anticipation of this refurbishment. Uh, they would take care of it at the same time.

[36:39] But uh, I just wanted to uh, give a little bit of a shout out to our maintenance guys.

[36:45] We have a tremendous maintenance program that's headed up by uh,

[36:50] for the biggest part of the last 20 years it was Neil Gathers.

[36:54] He has turned the reins over to Alex Myrody, but uh,

[36:58] those two along with our city mechanic,

[37:02] uh, they take very good care of our trucks.

[37:05] They are expensive, but we keep them a long time.

[37:09] Uh, for example, right now, uh, our front line engine that we're running is a 1997.

[37:16] Uh, our mini pumper is a 2013.

[37:19] Uh, this truck is a 2005 that was placed into service in 06.

[37:25] So,

[37:25] our newest engine,

[37:28] no fault of our of our own uh, maintenance program it had some brackets break on the

[37:35] pump module body.

[37:37] Uh, that was by design from the manufacturer.

[37:40] So it's in the shop right now getting worked on.

[37:42] But uh, otherwise, so.

[37:45] Um, what I'm asking is we

[37:49] we've had this in the works for quite some time, but we never did have a contract signed

[37:55] in order to order the equipment now. We have to they want us to sign a contract, of course.

[38:01] There's a major piece that's uh, that needs to be replaced is it's on the turntable.

[38:08] Once they order that, it takes three to four months for them to get it.

[38:12] So, this truck is going to be down anywhere from six to potentially 10 months.

[38:19] So.

[38:20] Curiosity question.

[38:22] So, we spend the

[38:24] 238,000.

[38:27] How much more life does that give the truck?

[38:31] So, uh, NFPA gives uh, uh, recommendations just like I said,

[38:36] it's up to a 10-year refurb.

[38:40] What it says is it's supposed to give you another 10 to 15 years.

[38:44] Um,

[38:46] my uh, being being real, uh, the way we we take care of the trucks,

[38:52] it could be 20.

[38:53] Wow.

[38:54] So.

[38:55] So with the 238,000.

[38:58] I I I believe it is.

[38:59] Very much so.

[39:00] And and like I said, the

[39:01] How much would it be about 1.2?

[39:03] Yeah.

[39:04] Like I said, it was more of a curiosity question as opposed to a

[39:07] We talked in depth about this. Um, council. This is one thing that's been talked about.

[39:11] We talked about before I even got here, uh, in my role two and a half years ago.

[39:16] We talked about it when it was discussed, I think when they purchased

[39:22] the new one that was going to finally arrive.

[39:26] Yeah.

[39:27] This all.

[39:28] Yeah, yeah.

[39:29] And so that's where we're at. At this point, it was talked about, I think,

[39:32] I think it was talked several years before that in the middle of.

[39:37] Dustin just asked me, didn't we already plan this? Didn't we already? I go,

[39:41] We talked about it.

[39:42] It's been a long time coming.

[39:45] But to be formalized, I feel like this needed to come in front of council.

[39:49] Yeah, we we I I believe we have absolutely discussed it.

[39:53] Um, bringing it back before you because we have not signed a contract.

[39:59] I felt like when, uh, when we got that, there was a contract

[40:01] that needed to be signed. I brought it to Laura.

[40:04] Oh, no. We come to you because to be fair and upfront about that.

[40:09] So, um, Chief, thank you.

[40:11] I've uh, no doubt that we need to do this, that's kind of a

[40:13] no-brainer to extend the life of it.

[40:16] um, I I do have some questions though just because um, it it

[40:20] talks about us using the sale of the fire station that hasn't

[40:24] sold to offset it.

[40:25] So, how much is in the 2027-28 budget for this?

[40:29] How much is an unfunded liability?

[40:32] And why didn't we plan for it if we knew it was coming in 20 years?

[40:36] And that's probably a question to all of us, not just Chief.

[40:39] So, it was a 20-year maintenance that we knew it was coming.

[40:44] Yeah. Right.

[40:45] Now it's an unfunded liability money on there.

[40:47] It's coming. I just want you to know.

[40:50] and I want to say that this is how things happen in cities but this

[40:53] happens at times where we know we're gonna do this and a lot of times

[40:56] cities will go, well, you know, we just know we're going to get a new

[40:59] truck. And I think, I think the fire department's trying to be physically

[41:02] responsible if it can be refurbished and kept longer, which is a good thing.

[41:05] Um, the original plan,

[41:08] and I'll I'll give you back a little history on this

[41:11] because when I came on board, the original plan was

[41:13] when it got closer to when the truck was going to be done.

[41:18] They were going to bond for the new fire truck and include this

[41:20] in the bond.

[41:22] We didn't bond for the fire truck because we had to utilize

[41:27] some ARPA funds, which during Covid, um, we received

[41:31] close to, it was like $1.8 million in um funds from the Federal

[41:36] Government.

[41:38] And we in December of '24 had to have items that were already

[41:42] contracted.

[41:45] The fire truck, the new fire truck was contracted at that time,

[41:49] so we utilized ARPA funds to pay for that.

[41:53] This was not in that, the contract signed before Dec '24.

[41:58] So this is where we're at now at this time.

[42:03] Yeah. What is the unfunded piece?

[42:05] What was in the 2027-28 budget? Do we know?

[42:08] The '27-8, '28 budget?

[42:09] 27 or 26, 26-27?

[42:12] We didn't even, we did not put it in this budget yet because we're

[42:15] waiting on the new fire truck to get done because we can't

[42:18] move this fire truck.

[42:19] It just said some of it was in there. Some of it wasn't.

[42:22] Oh. So to give you a little bit more history on this one.

[42:27] It is in. It's in the thing. I mean, that's my question.

[42:31] The '27-28, we haven't done the '27-28 budget yet.

[42:33] It says that it's in there. It's going to be in there.

[42:36] but we're also looking at, you're also selling a building that has

[42:40] potential of a $200,000. $200.

[42:43] You don't know. We have we need to

[42:46] set these funds aside now to sign this contract.

[42:48] Where is it? Like, what fund did it come from right now?

[42:52] If it were to come today, you're because this is a general fund issue.

[42:55] This would be a general fund issue.

[42:58] So with that being in the plans,

[43:01] you are looking at you know that you're going to be selling your

[43:03] previous fire station.

[43:06] We know there is an interest of that. We haven't put it on the market yet

[43:09] because we still need that fire station until we're ready.

[43:13] So you're basically going to be selling a building that's going

[43:17] to pay for your fire truck.

[43:20] And if there is any differential, we will have to plan for that in

[43:23] the budget as we prepare the budget coming up.

[43:30] To be clear, it's a 200K unplanned expenditure on a budget that only

[43:34] had 200K before it goes negative on a year.

[43:38] Yeah. Well, now I understand. I understand.

[43:42] However, the plan that was set out how many years ago did not plan out.

[43:46] Yeah. So. I mean, I'm supportive. I just

[43:52] That's a good question.

[43:53] and I understand that you're concerned.

[43:57] But, you know, you are again going to be selling,

[43:59] you are going to be selling your building.

[44:01] Can we do anything to mandate that the sale of the fire department

[44:04] comes back to this cost? Is that a thing?

[44:09] Well, when we go to put it on the market, if you want to pass

[44:11] a resolution that says that, you can.

[44:16] I mean, to me that building sold should go back into the Fire Department.

[44:22] and how it's utilized.

[44:23] It's all part of the Fire Department General Fund anyway. So.

[44:26] Yeah. It's going to go in the general fund and it would go towards this.

[44:32] And to answer your question, uh,

[44:34] I'll I'll have one square on me that uh, the the part of this

[44:38] we had a transition from

[44:40] my predecessor to me.

[44:44] Uh, it it just, yeah, it's it's on me.

[44:49] Oh, it's on all of us.

[44:51] It's uh, it's a no-brainer. It's just that budget.

[44:54] Well, again. Go ahead.

[44:57] was it say we originally bought a new fire truck.

[45:00] So it's not it's not that we haven't planned

[45:02] No, it's not that you didn't plan.

[45:03] It's just we had the ARPA funds that were originally going to go to the

[45:08] 20th to 30th Street Avenue L project.

[45:11] That project had not had a contract yet.

[45:14] And so we couldn't use that project,

[45:16] so we had things in line that were

[45:20] already under contract that fit the needs.

[45:24] And so we shifted everything that was under contract.

[45:27] That included some of the bridge um engineering for the bridge projects that Mark has.

[45:33] It included the new fire truck.

[45:36] It also included the purchases of the property that we needed to purchase to build where the fire station is now, the new one.

[45:42] So we had some purchase orders, things under agreement to meet the needs of the of the federal code.

[45:48] got enough support. We didn't have.

[45:50] [rustling]

[45:52] Was anyone else's question?

[45:54] Any other questions from anybody?

[45:57] Uh, once the contract's signed, how long before it goes in for the retrofit?

[46:01] Well, right now, uh

[46:04] since since we're in our uh our old firehouse,

[46:07] uh we're we have the uh the new fire truck that was

[46:09] ordered back in 2023.

[46:12] Uh it was supposed to be coming in September.

[46:15] Uh they have since pushed it back to

[46:17] sometime in October.

[46:19] So when that truck arrives, Ariel is going to go.

[46:24] Okay, that answered my question.

[46:25] Yeah.

[46:26] Otherwise you could be down one truck.

[46:28] Yeah. So

[46:29] This the new this aerial truck it has a higher reach capability, right?

[46:33] 104 foot, yeah.

[46:34] So is there are we reaching out to like Kiakuck in the absence of our truck in case we need some support? Absolutely.

[46:41] And we're uh I've uh worked on relationships with uh Burlington Fire,

[46:46] uh so we absolutely will have their assistance during that time,

[46:50] both of them.

[46:51] as well as Mount Pleasant.

[46:54] [rustling]

[46:58] [rustling]

[46:59] Just out of curiosity, um which of do these

[47:05] departments all surrounding departments uh to Mount Pleasant

[47:09] and Kiakuck have an aerial that is same height as ours?

[47:12] Yes, they do.

[47:15] Yeah.

[47:17] All right then, thank you very much.

[47:19] At at one time back in history when the uh Tama building was on fire,

[47:24] uh all of them were around that building, ours as well.

[47:29] Any further questions?

[47:32] All right, then thank you very much, Chad. Justina. Council member Sparrow?

[47:36] Yes. Teley?

[47:38] Yes. Jagger?

[47:39] Yes. Roller?

[47:40] Yes. Emmett? Yes.

[47:43] Okay, item number seven.

[47:44] Looking for a motion in a second to adopt a resolution approving the following applications

[47:50] for a three-year urban revitalization tax exemption.

[47:53] For at 1734 and a half Avenue L.

[47:58] Teley so moved.

[48:00] Jagger two.

[48:02] Okay, I don't know if anybody's noticed that building and the changes that have occurred down there.

[48:07] While they've been working on it, but it's quite a change down there.

[48:13] Um anybody have any questions?

[48:16] All right.

[48:17] We always appreciate it when citizens uh work on these old buildings.

[48:24] Cuz I think Jan will tell me that's a really old building down there.

[48:28] Okay.

[48:29] And Andy, keep forgetting Andy's in the back row back there.

[48:32] Tertio.

[48:35] Oh, was it? Okay. Thank you.

[48:38] All right, if there's no questions,

[48:39] Um then Justina.

[48:41] Council member Teley? Yes.

[48:43] Yager? Yes.

[48:44] Roller? Yes.

[48:46] Emmett? Yes.

[48:47] Sparrow? Yes.

[48:50] Okay. Now we're moving on to the update, and I'm sure this is what people are really interested in.

[48:56] Um this is regarding the Planning and Zoning Commission

[48:59] and high infrastructure impact developments

[49:02] in extraterritorial two-mile zoning.

[49:07] So, item number eight.

[49:09] Looking for a motion in a second to direct staff to continue working

[49:13] with the Planning and Zoning Commission on the proposed zoning regulations

[49:18] addressing high infrastructure impact developments.

[49:21] Emmett so moved.

[49:23] Sparrow seconds on that.

[49:26] All right, uh, Mr. Krugmeyer, are you doing the report on this one?

[49:30] So, as Doug's coming up here, I just would like to bring a few

[49:35] few items to this as we explained in the council report.

[49:38] Past is no planning and zoning commission, they are working on both of these ordinances.

[49:44] And at our last meeting,

[49:46] in all of our discussions, we wanted to bring this this evening.

[49:50] We normally don't do this, come back and ask,

[49:53] counselor, are you comfortable with

[49:56] us are you good in our direction, but

[49:58] due to both of these types of ordinances,

[50:02] Planning and Zoning Commission and staff felt it was important to get some

[50:07] feedback at this point and to make sure we're going in the right direction.

[50:10] So with that, I will turn it over to Doug.

[50:13] Exactly. So these are major code adjustments, major code additions.

[50:18] Um,

[50:19] We'll get to the two-mile

[50:20] in a minute, but that is a council decision.

[50:22] That's a citywide decision that we need to decide if we want to make.

[50:26] So, when we are discussing it at staff level,

[50:30] and we understand what we're what we're feeling.

[50:32] Council is explaining to us what the direction we should probably go to

[50:35] try and continue to protect our citizens and neighboring citizens.

[50:40] Um,

[50:41] start writing code, give it to P&Z, and P&Z wants to pause and wants

[50:46] to hear what council really thinks about these things before we continue.

[50:49] So,

[50:50] here we are.

[50:50] Um, the

[50:52] one that we have been working on a little bit longer than the two-mile,

[50:55] two-miles kind of straight forward as an adopted ordinance.

[50:58] It's how we choose to zone that two-mile

[51:03] that you can change.

[51:05] Uh, this one is the high infrastructure impact developments.

[51:09] Um, a wide variety of developments can go into that.

[51:11] Some of the stuff we already have out there,

[51:14] need such infrastructure that they would end up going through this

[51:16] process too if we had a similar type use go in.

[51:20] But I wanted to get this to you just so that we can understand.

[51:25] [paper rustling]

[51:27] Apparently I'm too far away.

[51:29] Oh. you can.

[51:36] Are you going?

[51:40] Uh, what it really is. Um,

[51:43] It's it's infrastructure based. That's how I decided that we decided to

[51:46] kind of write this code.

[51:49] It's not based on the use itself.

[51:51] I don't care if it's a technology facility or you know, a

[51:55] rendering plant or whatever the case may be.

[51:58] It's based on how much infrastructure they need, how much use they need,

[52:02] water consumption, that kind of thing.

[52:05] So, based on how much they're going to need will it'll it'll scale what

[52:09] kind of review we want to do for that.

[52:13] Um,

[52:14] that review will take engineering studies that we want to see documented,

[52:19] and then if we have questions about it, we will outsource our own

[52:23] independent engineering to validate what they sent us.

[52:27] So they don't just send us, you know, a bread box and say,

[52:29] here you go, it looks good.

[52:32] Um,

[52:34] And then from there we can we can really understand what it truly needs.

[52:39] We think we've honed in on that number.

[52:41] Now we can classify it and and see how that's going to affect.

[52:47] Can we handle the utility needs or or the road needs or a wide variety of

[52:51] things?

[52:53] So, go to the next slide for me.

[52:54] [paper rustling]

[52:59] We're going to break this down into three categories.

[53:02] Uh, the first category is not much infrastructure needs, smaller

[53:05] facilities, we may already have water sewer in the area, and it's just

[53:08] connecting to the system.

[53:11] Some may need, you know, some upgrades in the system in the area to make it

[53:15] work.

[53:17] And some may need a new well put in because they're they need that much

[53:21] water or or new substations for electrical or that kind of thing.

[53:26] So, based on the classification, that's going to help us define what

[53:31] list of studies we want to see to understand how that's really going

[53:35] to affect the community.

[53:38] Smaller ones shouldn't affect much.

[53:39] We won't probably ask as many studies of that, you know, that's that's the

[53:42] kind of thing we're looking for.

[53:44] It's not so much use-based, it's it's infrastructure based.

[53:49] And then obviously, we get noise studies and that kind of stuff

[53:52] depending on what type of facility it is and and that kind of thing.

[53:58] Those are just some of the examples we're looking at for the types of

[54:01] studies.

[54:02] Water capacity, waste water capacity, electrical, roads, traffic.

[54:06] Some some places they they do a number on the roads getting developed

[54:10] but don't have a lot of traffic.

[54:12] So, it might be, you know, road warranties or road replacements when

[54:17] completed, and then, but you don't need to expand lanes or anything, it's

[54:21] it's all based on what the study is and what their proposal is

[54:23] because of that.

[54:30] So, we're really talking about two different things.

[54:32] Um,

[54:33] the HID code and then the extra territorial, I'm going to call it ET

[54:36] because I think it's fun.

[54:40] Um,

[54:42] I am looking at doing that district, that two miles, as a standalone

[54:46] zoning district.

[54:48] You can extend all of our individual districts out, residential out, ag out,

[54:54] commercial out, you know, up the roads and stuff like that.

[54:57] I don't see that we want to do that.

[54:59] I don't want to try to regulate building permits in this area.

[55:02] I don't want to regulate setbacks in this area.

[55:05] We're not worried about that.

[55:06] We're just worried about the types of facilities

[55:09] like HID, but not only that one.

[55:11] You know, it could be rendering plants and and major other facilities

[55:14] that we just want to know aren't going to bother the neighbors,

[55:17] bother the neighborhood and potentially bother the city also.

[55:21] So, uh it's really going to stay pretty high level.

[55:25] Um but if they can show us that they're not going to get beyond their property lines

[55:30] in in anyway, then uh it's a special use permit

[55:34] and everything looks good, they'll they'll they'll still be able to develop and then we won't try to regulate the development, you know, show.

[55:40] We may ask for through special use, you can ask for conditions like

[55:45] like guarantees and extra studies, extra studies, extra testing once they're up and running

[55:50] that our concerns have been met and complied with and that kind of thing.

[55:53] But um we're not trying to do standard zoning. It's just going to stay high level.

[56:02] The goal is to protect the property owner, uh prevent incompatibility, that kind of thing.

[56:08] Um

[56:10] Go to the next one.

[56:13] And then there's just kind of a list of a list of what what things we are going to do on the left.

[56:17] Or they only the kinds of facilities that might get checked

[56:21] and the key is we're not going to look at the list on the right.

[56:24] We don't care about the farms or the houses or the small businesses.

[56:27] The stuff that's already out there, the stuff that can come and go all the time because they're just on the edge of town.

[56:32] You know, if it's not bothering, if it's not bothering, if it's not big enough to bother the region,

[56:37] the area, the neighborhood, then it's going to go through

[56:40] and not even need review from the city.

[56:43] Is the is the goal. We're just worried about the big ones.

[56:49] So, the questions are for council,

[56:53] one, do you have any major questions, any major questions, any anything on these two types of codes?

[56:57] Are we going in the right direction? Are we going in the right direction? Are we completely off base and you want to focus on one type of use specifically

[57:04] or or just write something individually?

[57:06] Do we want to not do two a mile because you've heard feedback?

[57:11] After this meeting, you're probably going to hear some feedback.

[57:14] So, I wanted to get an understanding to get an understanding to you that what what kind of level we're really looking at.

[57:19] We're not looking at full-blown zoning, we're just looking at the major uses and how that might affect the neighborhoods.

[57:25] The property owners as a whole, we won't they they won't even see us.

[57:30] I think it's a a good start and in the right direction.

[57:33] I feel like if you guys are going to put the work in to doing this, that it should cover more than just

[57:42] one specific and whatever business, whatever the situation might be.

[57:49] But so I feel like this is a good start.

[57:53] So, we're not trying to play catchup.

[57:56] Right, those new types of uses always pop up and and they haven't even been defined yet.

[58:00] So, this would still help cover those kinds of things.

[58:02] And I'd love to give Barb a chance. Barb's our planning and zoning director.

[58:05] [laughter] and has sat in these meetings and I'm sure would have questions for you specifically.

[58:10] So, Barb, if you want to say, go for it.

[58:12] Real real quick, Barb, before you jump up, I'll fill in some of the things that I think are

[58:17] our P&Z has been getting absolutely punished online

[58:21] uh with all sorts of false information.

[58:24] They're they're on the take. This is a a new law to put data centers in.

[58:29] So, it's um it's really important that right messaging comes out here that

[58:34] right now, we don't have any tools to deal with this.

[58:37] If somebody goes into the uh uh yeah, I too, there's nothing we can do about it.

[58:43] If somebody goes two miles out, there's absolutely nothing we can do about it.

[58:47] So, that's what they're asking us to do is as the elected officials

[58:52] to to really be on record that we're asking them to go and and do this work

[58:58] and that we get the message out there that we get the message out there that this isn't a vote for a hit property,

[59:04] it's a vote to have uh tools in place

[59:08] so that it's not just an automatic yes or an automatic no

[59:12] and that they have to go through this evaluation criteria.

[59:14] So, Barb, I think that covered the ones that I need to cover. Come on up.

[59:19] [laughter]

[59:22] I didn't want to start talking and too hot.

[59:25] Um Barb AC, chairperson, planning and zoning.

[59:29] Um these are big conversations, these are big conversations, these are big concerns, these are a big deal.

[59:34] And so that's why the commission wanted to bring it back to the elected officials.

[59:40] We are volunteers. Yes, we signed up for this, but it's feeling a little brutal lately.

[59:45] And so, um we want input.

[59:48] Um I think that some of the concerns especially with the extraterritorial

[59:52] doning. That's a big deal, you guys.

[59:56] Um, and I think that needs to be a collaboration with the county.

[59:59] I mean, the people that live in the county live there for a reason.

[1:00:03] Um, we need to be very respectful

[1:00:06] and um, you know, and and about their choices and where they live.

[1:00:11] I mean, we're retroactively ask, you know, um, enacting something.

[1:00:15] You know, like this didn't exist when they bought this property.

[1:00:18] We're coming in after the fact.

[1:00:19] Is it necessary?

[1:00:21] Possibly.

[1:00:22] But we need direction from you guys

[1:00:24] because if there's no intention of passing something like this, there's no point

[1:00:28] talking about it.

[1:00:28] So, um, in the interest of being efficient and doing it correct,

[1:00:32] uh, we want input from you and your constituents and um,

[1:00:37] make sure that we're going in the right direction.

[1:00:38] I don't think there's any like Doug said, there's no interest in like

[1:00:41] micromanaging this two-mile radius.

[1:00:44] Um, but maybe there's no interest in doing it at all.

[1:00:47] And maybe with,

[1:00:49] you know, if the county, from my understanding, is starting to, they

[1:00:52] put the moratorium in on the data centers.

[1:00:54] They're starting to engage counsel on how to regulate some things in the county,

[1:00:59] which might make this a moot point.

[1:01:01] You know, if the county's going to step in and regulate county,

[1:01:05] then we don't have as many concerns.

[1:01:07] So, there's some overlap there, how do we handle it? What do we do?

[1:01:09] Let's not waste time.

[1:01:11] Let's do what people want to do.

[1:01:13] Um, what do you guys want to do?

[1:01:15] And then for the high impact development,

[1:01:18] um, my personal concern is

[1:01:22] uh, you know, we're trying to not be too specific because,

[1:01:25] you know, as we're learning with all sorts of things from e-scooters to

[1:01:28] data centers, like things are constantly developing and if you label things

[1:01:31] too specifically, you might mess something that could potentially come in that

[1:01:34] was unintended.

[1:01:37] But is there a concern that by trying to be too broad, we're accidentally

[1:01:40] labeling something and maybe hindering a business that shouldn't be, um,

[1:01:45] for example, and so,

[1:01:50] You guys know I'm not a politician. I just, you know, talk, but I

[1:01:55] I think my instincts are correct.

[1:01:56] I don't have, you know, suave language to explain this.

[1:01:59] But I just, you know, if we're going to have a business, just because they

[1:02:02] need a lot of water doesn't mean it's that we don't want them in our in our

[1:02:05] community.

[1:02:06] But like there's certain businesses that we're going to want to encourage and

[1:02:09] we we want them here.

[1:02:12] There's others that we don't.

[1:02:13] So maybe maybe this is multiple things. Maybe there are specific things and broad

[1:02:16] things.

[1:02:17] And maybe this is a very layered approach that we need to take.

[1:02:21] But without some feedback from the people that are actually going to be voting on

[1:02:24] this, I mean, we need some direction.

[1:02:27] Because this is a lot to put on the shoulders of just four people.

[1:02:32] Four people.

[1:02:34] with no formal training.

[1:02:36] Who didn't get voted for me.

[1:02:38] Who don't get paid and don't get breath.

[1:02:40] But you do a wonderful job.

[1:02:41] We appreciate it. And our good people.

[1:02:43] It's so

[1:02:44] I and I think it's unfortunate and maybe you guys can explain it.

[1:02:47] And that planning is doing us some really cool things.

[1:02:49] We talk about all sorts of things and we we're very, I think the group that

[1:02:54] we have right now is a very good commission

[1:02:55] and we try very hard to be open-minded and we want to encourage development and

[1:02:59] we want to make things more transparent, easier processes. We're not trying to

[1:03:04] make things difficult.

[1:03:06] But, you know, then things like this come up, um, and we we kind of get a bad rap,

[1:03:10] but

[1:03:11] we we are, we did bring this back to you because we do think people should

[1:03:14] have input.

[1:03:15] Not because we never cared or why do we never cared or why do we care now? It's no, because we always cared.

[1:03:20] We're we're going through the process just like we all need to do.

[1:03:23] This is the process.

[1:03:24] It's your turn.

[1:03:26] We need input.

[1:03:27] So,

[1:03:28] do you have any questions for me?

[1:03:29] I I think the main concern that I've always had along and it it seems like

[1:03:33] it's been cleared up that

[1:03:34] I didn't want to see uh encroaching into that two-mile and essentially,

[1:03:38] I mean, like you said, people live in the county for a reason.

[1:03:41] They don't want to deal with some of the issues that people that live in

[1:03:44] town are willing to deal with.

[1:03:46] Well, and

[1:03:47] [inaudible]

[1:03:49] I might

[1:03:51] I can be wrong with this,

[1:03:52] but I think possibly some of the people that were maybe the loudest talkers about,

[1:03:56] hey, the two-mile people, you know, like, hey, we have two miles, we have two miles

[1:04:00] that we can regulate, that kind of thought process probably came from people that

[1:04:04] live in town and not the people that live out in that two-mile area.

[1:04:11] No, they're they're out there too.

[1:04:13] They're very concerned.

[1:04:14] People are concerned and this is a big, this is not should not be taken lightly.

[1:04:17] This is a big deal.

[1:04:18] Well, I mean, like us coming in and saying,

[1:04:20] hey,

[1:04:21] Oh, sure. in the city like,

[1:04:23] hey, this is two miles in and yeah.

[1:04:26] Well,

[1:04:27] I think that is kind of what I was saying. It's easy for me to say,

[1:04:29] hey, yeah, it's two miles and I don't live outside.

[1:04:33] Oh, it is, but I think it's the same question that we get, you guys have to

[1:04:36] consider all the time as people come to you and say, don't tell me to mow my lawn

[1:04:40] but make sure my neighbor does.

[1:04:41] You know, it's the same thing.

[1:04:43] that we always but it doesn't make it an invalid question and it doesn't mean

[1:04:47] that the conversations are pointless. I mean, these they need to happen.

[1:04:50] People are concerned, people that live

[1:04:52] within the two mile.

[1:04:53] They they don't want to be regulated

[1:04:55] and you could tell them all day long. We're looking at high level regulation.

[1:04:58] Okay, that needs to be very defined because otherwise

[1:05:01] I mean, who's going to believe us? Right.

[1:05:05] Well, I mean, it has to be very specific.

[1:05:07] Well, and also you have that that slippery slope argument, you know,

[1:05:10] once you let that door crack open,

[1:05:12] it'll slowly creep open wider and wider because

[1:05:16] the next uproar that comes to the the the territory.

[1:05:20] Yeah. They are. I mean, you guys all know.

[1:05:22] I I'm extremely concerned that people have rights, people have property rights.

[1:05:25] If you're and they need to be respected.

[1:05:27] Um, I think I think that is that is a huge thing.

[1:05:31] I mean, I'm not saying one is more important than the other, but

[1:05:34] The two mile radius is a big deal.

[1:05:35] But also it's affecting people that live in the county and

[1:05:39] if we do that, too though, um, I don't know if Doug or Laura, if it's in your notes,

[1:05:42] I didn't check, but

[1:05:43] um, if we do enact that, we also have to increase our planning and zoning board

[1:05:46] by two members.

[1:05:48] And those two members come from the county.

[1:05:51] They're not they don't they're full voting members on everything that planning and

[1:05:54] zoning does for our city, but they don't live in the city.

[1:05:57] And so not that that's good or bad, it's just information.

[1:06:00] So those we have to um increase the board of adjustments

[1:06:05] uh by one person.

[1:06:07] Yeah, two people.

[1:06:08] I mean, two people, too on that?

[1:06:10] So, I mean, it it it does affect a lot of different things.

[1:06:13] And then I think everyone needs to be really well educated on what we're doing.

[1:06:16] And the commission needs to trust, we need to be able to trust that we're

[1:06:21] we're acting in good faith to here.

[1:06:24] And we we have to be able to rely on the people that are giving us the information.

[1:06:29] And so, I mean, there's a lot going on here.

[1:06:32] Would those increases of two members of each of those boards,

[1:06:35] is that just for the extra because of the extra territorial or is it

[1:06:38] for the high impact?

[1:06:39] No, no. It's extraterritorial. ET.

[1:06:42] So whenever a city does a two-mile radius zoning, which is very common.

[1:06:47] It is very common for cities that are incorporated for Madison to have

[1:06:52] a two-mile zoning around their city,

[1:06:56] especially if the county does not have a zoning ordinance.

[1:07:00] I know the county is starting those discussions, it's going to be a while

[1:07:04] for that two-mile radius to be covered in the county zoning.

[1:07:08] So something that, you know, the city could do, and then as the county develops their

[1:07:12] planning and zoning, we can decide, hey, you know what, this works well,

[1:07:16] it takes care of it, we don't need it.

[1:07:21] Or or we compliment our two-mile zoning to work with the county, um,

[1:07:25] ordinance.

[1:07:28] But those members on those boards would be voted by and I mean, they would be

[1:07:32] appointed by the county, we ask the county to appoint them to our commission

[1:07:35] to represent the county portion of that.

[1:07:39] Um, with that.

[1:07:40] But it is very common, um, planning and zoning uh codes came into the state

[1:07:43] in late 60s, many cities adopted that two-mile radius at that time.

[1:07:50] Yeah, and I think this is where it goes from the the board to discussion on us up here and

[1:07:55] you know, I'm uh we already have the uh two-mile for subdivisions.

[1:08:01] A lot of people don't know that and that and that did cause some confusion during this whole

[1:08:05] the because we had the subdivisions.

[1:08:08] Um, you know, I think the list that did we publish goes a long way of um,

[1:08:12] hopefully, it it won't, there will be a lot of people out here.

[1:08:16] But then as the city council, I think we have to look at the other side of it.

[1:08:20] There is a reason that an industry comes half a mile outside of town.

[1:08:25] And that is to take the resources of the resources of the town without having to contribute to the town.

[1:08:30] And and I think as the city council, that's what we have to look at here.

[1:08:34] You know, it's uh it gets all the all the stuff that we put in.

[1:08:40] But none of the uh franchise tax, doesn't have to pay the, you know,

[1:08:44] it's that's what we're trying to prove.

[1:08:48] But the opposite end of that coin is is is three miles same thing if we was to do that. Yeah.

[1:08:54] I mean, it's not going to change the amount of electricity used, it's all comes

[1:08:57] from the same grid, the natural gas, same grid, the natural gas, same thing, it comes from the same pipelines

[1:09:00] through the same company.

[1:09:03] So, yes, I I don't disagree with whether we need to do this or that we need

[1:09:07] to do this something along these lines.

[1:09:11] But I just want everyone to realize that two miles and three miles isn't

[1:09:15] really that far apart.

[1:09:17] If you're talking utilities, yeah.

[1:09:19] I'm talking mainly utility.

[1:09:21] I mean, that's that's one of the biggest concerns a lot of people have on this is that

[1:09:25] yes, there's the noise and and I'm not diminishing that, but a lot of the

[1:09:29] concerns is how much is my electric bill going to go up because we don't have

[1:09:33] enough electricity or natural gas in this area as it is.

[1:09:36] Well, make sure not to confuse the two though.

[1:09:37] So the H I I D is an ordinance that would apply to city limits.

[1:09:42] Like, Yes.

[1:09:44] And the extraterritorial is just that there they're two separate things.

[1:09:49] Yeah. But but

[1:09:50] you couldn't with the two mile uh extra territorial,

[1:09:54] then then that HID would also be a part of that two mile.

[1:09:59] It would. It can if you want that.

[1:10:00] It can. It doesn't have to.

[1:10:01] And that's so part of the two mile too though?

[1:10:04] Yeah, we haven't uh the commission has not

[1:10:07] we have a working draft,

[1:10:09] but we haven't, we've been focusing on the other one.

[1:10:11] Really, yeah.

[1:10:12] It's keeps getting table cause we run out of time,

[1:10:14] but the two mile zoning um,

[1:10:16] we haven't even gone through a list of um,

[1:10:19] you know, what would be allowed or not allowed. um.

[1:10:22] So, I mean it can be a specific or as broad as we're

[1:10:26] instructed to do.

[1:10:28] A lot of cities what they will do with us is

[1:10:31] they will in that two mile radius, they will zone

[1:10:35] areas as if they were zoning it within their city.

[1:10:40] I'm not even sure where like even to that point of that,

[1:10:44] I think our biggest concern is

[1:10:46] it allows for us to make sure

[1:10:51] again, the whole purpose of this two-mile zoning is,

[1:10:54] those are going to be those areas that you may annex

[1:10:56] in in the future.

[1:10:58] And so that's why if it's if it's an ag, it should be in

[1:11:01] it should be an ag,

[1:11:02] if it's residential, it's residential.

[1:11:03] If it's industrial, it should be industrial.

[1:11:06] And so when we have some control in a two-mile radius,

[1:11:10] we can control exactly the pro you know,

[1:11:13] is it need to have a special use request

[1:11:15] through board of adjustment.

[1:11:17] It allows for a board of adjustment to take a look at it

[1:11:20] a little more in depth.

[1:11:22] as to, okay, does this fit this area?

[1:11:25] Because sometimes people think things fit in an area,

[1:11:28] it doesn't always fit in the area,

[1:11:30] but there might be an area somewhere else that fits much

[1:11:32] better for that situation.

[1:11:34] It just allows for us to have a little more control within our

[1:11:37] boundaries around the city.

[1:11:41] We're not looking as Doug mentioned,

[1:11:43] Barb's hit on this a little bit.

[1:11:45] We understand, and coming from a staff standpoint, um,

[1:11:49] we understand people live out in the county for reasons.

[1:11:53] We do not have enough staff to handle every building permit

[1:11:56] that goes on in the county.

[1:11:58] That's not our goal.

[1:12:00] This is not a goal to oh, every house,

[1:12:03] every fence, every whatever.

[1:12:05] That is not it. That's not what we're looking at.

[1:12:07] We're not looking at it implementing, no,

[1:12:09] you know, what they do, what we do in the city out

[1:12:12] in those areas.

[1:12:14] We're just making sure that what develops around us is the right

[1:12:17] fit for the future of Fort Madison and the protection

[1:12:21] of our two mile radius.

[1:12:25] So, you know, it is a again, something that's been put

[1:12:28] in place for numerous years, used in other locations.

[1:12:32] We're not there to regulate, you know,

[1:12:35] how many dogs they have in their yard or whatever the case may be.

[1:12:39] You know, I think that that is some concerns.

[1:12:42] Well, one thing hasn't been discussed.

[1:12:43] Like I at the commission hasn't gotten into it.

[1:12:46] You haven't gotten a lot of in-depth. We haven't had time.

[1:12:48] No, we it keeps getting table.

[1:12:49] That that particular discussion keeps getting table.

[1:12:51] So, it but that's why it kind of came up though too is because

[1:12:54] if it's gonna be an uphill battle the whole way and you

[1:12:57] have no intentions of pursuing something like this,

[1:12:59] or you feel a collaboration with the county would be more

[1:13:02] effective and you want to pursue that for a while,

[1:13:04] then we're not going to even put it on the agenda.

[1:13:06] We're going to focus on other things.

[1:13:09] So I think that's where the commission would like input

[1:13:12] and feedback of what you want from us to be working on,

[1:13:16] and if so, then we will work on that, but

[1:13:19] I it's a like it's a big deal. I mean,

[1:13:23] Have we talked very much?

[1:13:25] Okay. Well, actually, uh yes, Mayor.

[1:13:29] And then I'll respond to your question.

[1:13:31] And as far as the other one, I think the the biggest thing is,

[1:13:33] are we on the right track, are we on the right direction?

[1:13:36] Are we too broad? Are we not should we be more specific?

[1:13:39] If you've got one specific concern and you just want us to

[1:13:42] write an ordinance for data centers, then we'll do, you know,

[1:13:44] We'll work on what we need to work on.

[1:13:46] We don't want to be wasting time cause this a this is a lot.

[1:13:49] This is a lot and there's a lot of pieces and my concern frankly

[1:13:52] is being too broad and not hitting our intended target.

[1:13:58] If the target is in fact to regulate more like

[1:14:01] electronic businesses, then let's do that.

[1:14:04] I just there is a concern.

[1:14:07] Okay, so I think as it concerns the high

[1:14:10] infrastructure impact developments, one of the things

[1:14:13] that I note when I look at the count or the city zoning

[1:14:18] we have I2 in which uh one of these can be built

[1:14:23] as it is right now that starts in the vicinity of 12 to 13

[1:14:26] Street and runs all the way along Fort Madison's Riverfront,

[1:14:31] even all the way up to Avenue O in some locations.

[1:14:35] and then you've clear out to 50th Street I believe

[1:14:38] or Throe Road.

[1:14:40] So, we need something

[1:14:42] we need this HID as soon as possible, in my

[1:14:49] opinion.

[1:14:50] We need something in there.

[1:14:51] We need something regarding this.

[1:14:53] because we can have something walk in tomorrow and want to go here,

[1:14:58] and that could be located

[1:15:00] 100 feet away from somebody's residential property.

[1:15:03] Because there are residential that borders that, um,

[1:15:06] I2.

[1:15:08] So

[1:15:11] let's just focus right now on the high impact.

[1:15:14] I think we can safely take a vote. I think we're all on the same

[1:15:17] consensus.

[1:15:19] Well,

[1:15:19] can I just say though, I understand that it is a

[1:15:21] concern and we're trying the the commission is trying to put

[1:15:24] use the word tools I like that.

[1:15:25] We're not we need the tools, right?

[1:15:27] We need the tools in order to do it right.

[1:15:29] But we need to do be smart and we need to do this right

[1:15:31] the first time, you know,

[1:15:33] like we didn't we can't go out there with a dull saw blade people.

[1:15:36] Like this isn't going to work.

[1:15:38] Like we need to be smart.

[1:15:40] Um, so you want this tomorrow, but we're not just going to

[1:15:42] I'm not saying tomorrow.

[1:15:43] You want us to work effectively, we need information.

[1:15:46] We need quality information. We need direction.

[1:15:49] We need experts and if you want us to do it, then we need it now.

[1:15:52] because otherwise we're just spending our wheels.

[1:15:54] Okay.

[1:15:55] so

[1:15:56] Barb.

[1:15:57] We have gone we've spent a lot of time on the HID one.

[1:16:01] Yeah.

[1:16:02] And and we haven't spent as much time on the Tumba because

[1:16:04] we've we've really in-depth HID.

[1:16:06] And I think we've developed a pretty good in-depth that

[1:16:10] allows for us to go in and look at

[1:16:14] when a facility comes to us and we have the classes

[1:16:18] what does that look like

[1:16:19] and we're also we're just not allowing someone to come in

[1:16:23] and pick

[1:16:24] a location

[1:16:26] and not tell us what are all the impacts of the infrastructure

[1:16:28] and what it would do for the community.

[1:16:32] So I think those are very key things in there.

[1:16:36] And I think Council from from the vibe I'm getting, I think

[1:16:39] Council is happy,

[1:16:41] if you're not, speak up.

[1:16:43] This is where Barb's wanting that info.

[1:16:45] feedback is, are you happy with us saying,

[1:16:48] you're going to need, you know, an industry comes in.

[1:16:50] We want to know the impact of air quality, noise,

[1:16:54] what are we going to need for water?

[1:16:56] What is it going to be on sewer?

[1:16:57] What is it going to be on electricity?

[1:16:58] What is that impact going to be to the community?

[1:17:02] And it's really the responsibility when someone

[1:17:05] really wants to develop to bring that to the table.

[1:17:07] Mhm.

[1:17:09] I think the ordinance looks good.

[1:17:13] I recognize that we are dealing with legal counsel on this.

[1:17:15] They are reviewing it.

[1:17:18] They are

[1:17:19] Yes, they've done one.

[1:17:21] They've done one review.

[1:17:21] working with us to help format it.

[1:17:25] Um, and I think Fort Madison is also kind of on the cutting

[1:17:28] edge of doing this.

[1:17:30] It's just the type of the way we're writing it,

[1:17:34] different.

[1:17:35] most.

[1:17:36] You know, I'm trying to focus on infrastructure.

[1:17:39] Mhm.

[1:17:41] Other cities are being more specific in their drafts

[1:17:44] about the types of businesses and ours is much more broad.

[1:17:51] I'm not sure that I it's one way to do it.

[1:17:54] Is it the right way? Is it the best way?

[1:17:56] I don't know.

[1:17:57] But it's what that's the direction we're going though unless we

[1:18:00] pivot.

[1:18:01] I think maybe it's too late now. It's fair to say that is a

[1:18:03] concern that they had at the last meeting.

[1:18:06] Mhm.

[1:18:07] Uh, does the council want them to focus on one thing that

[1:18:11] we keep hearing about in the news,

[1:18:13] or do we want to focus on Hid

[1:18:16] that may catch other businesses in the net?

[1:18:20] is the the concern that the the board have?

[1:18:23] I think because of where our location is for the I2.

[1:18:28] In our town, it's not like we have all I2,

[1:18:30] it's out here in the industrial area.

[1:18:33] Our I2 runs south of the railroad tracks,

[1:18:36] starting like I said about 12th Street,

[1:18:38] and then it just keeps going all the way out to 50th Street,

[1:18:41] and then we have more I2 out there where climax and Siemens

[1:18:43] and that are.

[1:18:45] But we have a lot of residential there.

[1:18:47] So there's we're unusual for some communities

[1:18:51] because their I2 may be generally located in, you know,

[1:18:53] an industrial area.

[1:18:55] Ours is running along our entire community.

[1:18:59] So I like the idea of pulling everything in.

[1:19:04] So, Angela, did you?

[1:19:05] I think that's kind of where my question would be,

[1:19:08] are you is the concern about pulling everything in that

[1:19:11] we might exclude a business

[1:19:13] that possibly we would want or no?

[1:19:17] Potentially.

[1:19:18] Yeah, so you know, sometimes I and in the adverse consequence

[1:19:20] of, you know, trying to make something a catch all

[1:19:24] and I like the idea and we're going to have to put this

[1:19:26] through its paces and like try, like if we have a matrix,

[1:19:28] like all right, let's put this on the matrix, this hypothetical

[1:19:30] business, and let's see how it works out.

[1:19:32] It needs to work from the beginning.

[1:19:33] Um, and we'll make sure it does if that's the direction we go.

[1:19:37] But there's always a concern, right? Is like when you

[1:19:39] try to be too broad do do the outliers

[1:19:42] get that when we're actually concerned about the outliers,

[1:19:45] but we're trying to be in the middle. Do we actually

[1:19:50] accidentally, totally missed the mark and not get what we want.

[1:19:52] If what we want is out here, then let's just do that.

[1:19:54] Or or do you like being in the middle? Do you want the middle?

[1:19:57] Well, I guess my thought is is

[1:19:59] or both.

[1:20:00] You know, the maybe the and maybe I'm thinking this wrong,

[1:20:02] but if the concern is is that we might exclude a business

[1:20:06] that maybe we would potentially want.

[1:20:09] Or is already here.

[1:20:12] I mean, that fits on this.

[1:20:15] Do we want that?

[1:20:16] I mean, are they doing stuff that wouldn't fit into our

[1:20:19] into a community or a neighborhood anyway.

[1:20:22] Well, if you're going that makes sense.

[1:20:23] If you're going by the utilities, though,

[1:20:25] I mean, what about a business that's already existing

[1:20:28] that's a major employer of our community, but

[1:20:30] they want to do an expansion?

[1:20:32] Then all of a sudden, you know, you're going to have

[1:20:34] bigger utility needs for that business.

[1:20:38] And this as it's written and I think to your concern is

[1:20:41] or as we're currently doing it.

[1:20:44] Um, there are substantial costs.

[1:20:47] You know, that could be whether a business comes or doesn't come.

[1:20:50] We're requiring engineering studies and input

[1:20:53] from the lion and input from, you know, all of that.

[1:20:58] That that's the that's the concern.

[1:21:00] Well, we already have these processes in place.

[1:21:02] We already, you know, court these businesses and work with them already.

[1:21:05] I mean, so there's already processes in place.

[1:21:07] I mean, it's just it sounds like I'm arguing against the

[1:21:09] very thing I'm working on And that's not

[1:21:11] [laughter] a little bit.

[1:21:12] It does.

[1:21:15] It does, but devil's advocate.

[1:21:17] I mean, that's it.

[1:21:18] It does.

[1:21:19] I hear myself, but

[1:21:20] you have to understand that this is this

[1:21:23] it's it sounds that way because I take it very seriously.

[1:21:28] And it is a big deal and it affects a lot of people.

[1:21:30] And people that live here, I live here, I work here.

[1:21:32] I've got kids here.

[1:21:33] I mean, this is a big deal.

[1:21:35] And I don't we need to do it right.

[1:21:37] And and

[1:21:38] it's a lot to comprehend and it's a lot to understand.

[1:21:42] And

[1:21:45] I mean, we're just doing the best we can.

[1:21:47] So,

[1:21:48] Well, the flip side of it is if you want to narrow the scope,

[1:21:53] then you know, narrow the scope and say we're going to be strictly limited to this,

[1:21:59] then something else pops up.

[1:22:00] Yeah.

[1:22:01] And you're like, oh no, this is not, this is not going to work.

[1:22:06] then we're

[1:22:08] So we might be looking at a broad one with an overlay

[1:22:11] that is more like specific to a particular industry.

[1:22:13] This might be this is probably a multi-tiered approach.

[1:22:17] Yeah, so there's a special use to this too, correct, Doug?

[1:22:23] Like like they request a special use.

[1:22:26] The so a business would show up and say, hey, we want to do this.

[1:22:29] Right? What are we going to do?

[1:22:30] Mm.

[1:22:32] And that would trigger this ordinance, we'd change how that gets triggered.

[1:22:36] Right?

[1:22:37] Depending on the team.

[1:22:38] Right now and I do, it's going to go through staff level

[1:22:40] across the board. In fact, every department.

[1:22:43] Yeah.

[1:22:44] And we do it in house.

[1:22:45] And there's not a lot of check and balance.

[1:22:47] Mark says, I can't get you that much water unless we do something.

[1:22:51] This is going to define what they need to prove to us

[1:22:54] so that we can quantify review of that.

[1:22:59] That's the key.

[1:23:00] It doesn't mean that they won't come in and proceed.

[1:23:03] It's we need all that information anyway, we're just

[1:23:06] scratching the surface trying to get it.

[1:23:09] And we're saying, I need to see this information now.

[1:23:12] I don't think that's unreasonable for them

[1:23:15] trying to develop a $20 million facility.

[1:23:19] The studies.

[1:23:20] They're going to give them all that information anyway.

[1:23:22] Yeah.

[1:23:23] Yeah.

[1:23:24] And if they're willing to pay to mitigate those things,

[1:23:26] it doesn't matter what industry they necessarily are.

[1:23:29] They're still going to get their their permits to

[1:23:32] run their business or factory.

[1:23:34] And that's where the D comes into development agreements,

[1:23:35] it might be a development agreement with the city

[1:23:38] because they're bringing jobs.

[1:23:39] Yeah.

[1:23:40] Mhm.

[1:23:41] They might be a development agreement because

[1:23:43] they're not bringing jobs that they benefit the city

[1:23:44] in some other way.

[1:23:46] Yeah.

[1:23:47] Or at least not harm the city.

[1:23:48] Exactly.

[1:23:49] Yeah.

[1:23:50] That's what I know we've been working on.

[1:23:51] So

[1:23:53] a lot of work.

[1:23:53] Yeah.

[1:23:55] A lot of work you've been doing. What I've seen you

[1:23:57] guys have been doing good work.

[1:23:58] I understand why you're standing in front of us today.

[1:24:01] So what do you need from us?

[1:24:02] To go forward.

[1:24:03] Like if we all say, hey, we like what you're doing right here.

[1:24:08] What do you need from us today?

[1:24:09] Today.

[1:24:10] To go forward.

[1:24:13] anybody that has questions

[1:24:15] and go through them more,

[1:24:17] give us your input.

[1:24:18] Talk to the public.

[1:24:19] I mean, you guys the public can reach out to you.

[1:24:22] Do we want them to go forward on Hid?

[1:24:25] Do we want them to go forward on something less broad?

[1:24:28] Well, we do have a motion on the table to move forward with the hid.

[1:24:33] So if if staff all not staff, sorry, council comfortable

[1:24:37] with the direction they're going.

[1:24:41] I'm hit, I am, yes.

[1:24:42] Okay.

[1:24:43] Okay.

[1:24:44] All right.

[1:24:45] Everybody down here for me?

[1:24:46] Okay.

[1:24:47] So I'm going to is there anybody in the audience

[1:24:50] who wants to say anything?

[1:24:52] Are y'all good?

[1:24:54] Okay.

[1:24:56] So, I'm going to ask Justina to call the roll.

[1:24:58] Council member Tily. Yes.

[1:25:01] Yager. Yes. Roller. Yes.

[1:25:03] Emmet. Yes. Pharaoh. Yes.

[1:25:07] Okay. So now item number nine is a motion and a second to direct staff

[1:25:11] to continue working with the planning and zoning commission on the

[1:25:14] proposed zoning ordinance for the city's two-mile

[1:25:17] extraterritorial zoning area.

[1:25:21] Yager moves. Emmit two.

[1:25:25] Okay. So, Doug's already talked to us about this.

[1:25:30] And we got Barb here for questions.

[1:25:33] Um, I had a couple conversations with people

[1:25:39] and the idea, the concerns that I was hearing are from people

[1:25:43] who think that we're going to go out there and, hey,

[1:25:47] we're going to treat that two-mile area like it's the city.

[1:25:51] And I've told him that is not what the plan is.

[1:25:56] It is it's not what you think it is,

[1:26:01] it's going to be so much easier than that.

[1:26:03] You know, we're not going to restrict ag operations,

[1:26:06] we're not going to restrict things.

[1:26:09] for residential.

[1:26:11] So, I'll just say it.

[1:26:15] Mhm.

[1:26:16] Similar to this, we had a lot of conversation last month

[1:26:20] regarding the property on the hill and

[1:26:24] the city could stop this.

[1:26:26] No, we can't because we don't have a two-mile radius.

[1:26:29] We cannot permit it. We can't do anything

[1:26:31] unless it was in the city limits.

[1:26:34] And it's not except for the few parcels that it is.

[1:26:38] So, that's where and we have feedback and I got

[1:26:41] a lot of feedback saying,

[1:26:43] Well, I don't want this, but I don't want you to control this.

[1:26:46] And I think we can create this two-mile zoning in a in

[1:26:49] the best world that

[1:26:52] allows for us to at least know what's going in and if it

[1:26:57] fits a certain criteria in the zoning process,

[1:27:01] there's a much more bigger review to it to put some teeth to it

[1:27:04] versus us saying we can't do anything.

[1:27:07] Because no one liked it when we said we couldn't do anything.

[1:27:12] And Doug, you're there, so do you want to add to that?

[1:27:15] You're spot on.

[1:27:16] Okay, does anybody have any comments, questions?

[1:27:19] Uh, I mean, my main concerns is is like I had mentioned earlier,

[1:27:23] a bit of a slippery slope idea.

[1:27:25] 15 years from now, none of us are going to be

[1:27:28] sitting in these chairs.

[1:27:29] And what happens then with the decisions that are made by

[1:27:32] the people that take our places.

[1:27:34] This is a big change.

[1:27:35] Yes. That's.

[1:27:36] And then every time we adjust that, that's another council that

[1:27:40] would still have to adjust our zoning code to make those changes?

[1:27:43] But

[1:27:44] One thing to highlight here is we haven't stuck,

[1:27:48] you haven't started working on it, but the board has not.

[1:27:52] No.

[1:27:52] So like if somebody, some questions that came up today,

[1:27:56] do we want to hear from the county and find out if there's anything

[1:28:00] they want to work on together.

[1:28:01] We can table this, you know, that's [inaudible].

[1:28:02] Well, I can give you an update.

[1:28:04] I'll give you an update on a staff point.

[1:28:06] Would that be good, Melinda?

[1:28:07] Yeah, it would be good.

[1:28:08] Let me tell you this and then you can go from there.

[1:28:10] So, since we worked on sending you out the ordinance last week

[1:28:13] and prepped the council packet, um,

[1:28:16] actually Doug,

[1:28:17] um, and myself had the opportunity to sit down and talk a little bit

[1:28:22] more with the county on and chat about this whole

[1:28:26] process.

[1:28:29] And what they're looking at doing with the two-mile zoning with the

[1:28:33] whole um, piece with their, what are they looking at?

[1:28:38] Does are they going to do, you know, a high density, high impact

[1:28:42] or are they going to be strictly data centers, or they going to be

[1:28:45] strictly nuclear? What are they looking at?

[1:28:48] So, as I mentioned earlier, planning and zoning at the

[1:28:51] county level is going to take some time.

[1:28:53] They have to form a commission. They're going to have to have a

[1:28:56] staff person. They're going to it's going to take time.

[1:28:59] And when if they put that in place, then the next layer would come

[1:29:02] back if we do the two-mile,

[1:29:05] does the city's two-mile override theirs,

[1:29:08] or does it complement and that's what would have to be developed

[1:29:12] as they develop theirs.

[1:29:15] So, that's kind of where we're at at this point.

[1:29:17] So are you saying that maybe we should kind of slow walk that?

[1:29:23] Um, I would not advise that.

[1:29:24] No.

[1:29:25] Uh,

[1:29:26] I was also present at that meeting and um, I think it is it is a good

[1:29:30] move for us to continue doing what we're doing

[1:29:34] for now.

[1:29:37] Okay.

[1:29:38] Yes.

[1:29:39] Just reminder also though that

[1:29:41] Uh,

[1:29:42] Sorry, that two-mile moves.

[1:29:45] We NAC said that two-mile goes further out than it is today.

[1:29:49] I mean, just throwing that out there.

[1:29:51] Someone might not think much about it.

[1:29:54] Oh, we're on two miles out.

[1:29:55] city limits,

[1:29:56] but we have a new industry that comes in, that's in the county, right on there and they want to come and and

[1:30:01] just like the KCs at the edge of town want to become part of the city.

[1:30:05] that two mile moves into a neighborhood where I might not have ever I never thought that that was going to be a problem for them.

[1:30:12] Well, I believe nine times out of 10,

[1:30:15] it's it's not going to be a problem for any residential or farm operation.

[1:30:21] Right. We're not worried about that.

[1:30:22] Yes. And I I don't disagree with that.

[1:30:23] I don't disagree with that.

[1:30:25] I like you said, that might I agree it's always been.

[1:30:27] Well, let's go 99 out of a hundred times.

[1:30:29] The argument's always been the the slippery slope idea of

[1:30:31] when all the pieces are off the chessboard, there's new pieces on the board.

[1:30:36] Then where are the rules then?

[1:30:41] So my, I guess closing statement would be,

[1:30:44] uh, we've seen a lot of concern from the public.

[1:30:47] Mhm.

[1:30:48] And we reviewed our code and it needs adjustment.

[1:30:53] And we understand that we can't do anything outside two miles,

[1:30:55] outside city limits.

[1:30:58] virtually at all.

[1:31:00] And we have the ability to change that.

[1:31:03] in a reasonable time frame, so at least there's some upfront control,

[1:31:07] some checks and balances.

[1:31:10] Mhm.

[1:31:11] The county's working on theirs, that's a whole new department for them,

[1:31:13] that's gonna take them some time.

[1:31:16] When they get there's done, it'll be a discussion between the city and the

[1:31:18] county, how we want to mesh those

[1:31:21] or do we rescind ours because they are now doing zoning and they're

[1:31:25] checking that for themselves and

[1:31:27] in theory, watching our boundary for us.

[1:31:30] But for the time being, I think it's wise to protect ourselves.

[1:31:36] as a city.

[1:31:37] Yeah.

[1:31:38] And I think we were elected by the citizens of Fort Madison and the

[1:31:42] citizens of Fort Madison are wanting the city protected from some things

[1:31:46] and this is part of that.

[1:31:49] And the real key is, what do we actually looking at?

[1:31:52] The things that the people in the two mile are concerned about also.

[1:31:55] That's what we're looking at.

[1:31:56] We're not looking at their lot and whether they build a new

[1:31:58] poll barn or not.

[1:31:59] I don't care.

[1:32:00] And just one more piece, if you look at our history on the two mile

[1:32:04] subdivisions, we've been very reasonable across how many years.

[1:32:08] We we have a body of evidence to show that we are being responsible and

[1:32:11] reasonable in maintaining the two mile ordinance.

[1:32:15] Right.

[1:32:16] Right.

[1:32:16] And and I've been mentally playing devil's advocate here. I'm not saying

[1:32:19] that this this should not happen.

[1:32:22] I just I came from the county for a lot of years and, you know,

[1:32:27] out in the county people don't tolerate certain things like they're

[1:32:30] willing to hear in the city.

[1:32:33] And I just want to make sure that what happens stops at I don't want to

[1:32:36] see complete planning and zoning outside of the city.

[1:32:40] Absolutely.

[1:32:41] I don't want to sound like that.

[1:32:42] I like that. Well, I'll be honest,

[1:32:45] following the things that have been going on, it would have surprised me

[1:32:48] if every incorporated community in the county wanted to do a two-mile ordinance

[1:32:54] in order to protect their cities.

[1:32:57] I believe West Point was having this same discussion.

[1:33:00] You think you're ready to vote?

[1:33:01] with carbon pipeline.

[1:33:02] [inaudible]

[1:33:03] All right.

[1:33:04] Um

[1:33:06] Council members, unless you have anything else to say, anybody in the audience?

[1:33:10] Are y'all good?

[1:33:11] Okay.

[1:33:12] Um,

[1:33:13] then it sounds like council is ready to vote because you are basically going

[1:33:17] to tell the Planning and Zoning Commission that you're in favor of them continuing

[1:33:21] Absolutely.

[1:33:22] with their with the plan to do the ET.

[1:33:29] Dug's terms.

[1:33:32] Okay?

[1:33:33] Justina.

[1:33:35] Council member Yager.

[1:33:36] Yes.

[1:33:37] Roller?

[1:33:37] Yes.

[1:33:38] Emmit?

[1:33:39] Yes.

[1:33:40] Sparrow?

[1:33:41] Yes.

[1:33:42] Tili?

[1:33:43] Yes.

[1:33:44] All right, Lara.

[1:33:47] Okay. Well, Council, thank you tonight for a lot of good discussion.

[1:33:51] Um, I think it's important. I think it means a lot to planning and zoning to have these discussions to kind of

[1:33:55] get them in a direction of where to go.

[1:33:59] And we'll continue, um, modifying and working on this and working in

[1:34:03] between with legal to make sure we're getting the direction that we want to go.

[1:34:07] So just a few things. Monday next week is Labor Day. We will be closed and

[1:34:10] um for the holiday.

[1:34:13] Um, we have a something unusual we're doing. We never shut down being able to do our transactions online or our

[1:34:17] finance department taking, um, permit fun, you know, payments for permit,

[1:34:22] payment for water bill.

[1:34:26] But we are doing a software upgrade, we're going cloud-based with our

[1:34:30] accounting software. This has been a big deal that we've been kind of working on for a while.

[1:34:34] And with that, from 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, September 8th, we will not be

[1:34:38] able to do any online transactions, and we will not also take any cash

[1:34:42] transactions or check transactions, any transactions inside City Hall.

[1:34:48] We're just going to say all day on September 9th.

[1:34:52] The drop-off box is available in the alleyway if someone wants to make a payment.

[1:34:56] But we'll be open, we'll be doing business.

[1:34:58] we're just not operating the

[1:35:01] finance section of taking cash for the day.

[1:35:02] Or credit cards or anything.

[1:35:04] Um, with that, um, then we'll

[1:35:06] get to uh September 11th, uh

[1:35:08] which will be the 25th anniversary of 9/11.

[1:35:11] Um, the fire department, police department and city

[1:35:14] is working together with

[1:35:16] altogether to put together a ceremony

[1:35:19] at 7:35 AM on

[1:35:21] uh Friday, September 11th

[1:35:25] at the current fire station.

[1:35:27] So we invite the public to come for that.

[1:35:29] We'll have promotions out here

[1:35:31] within the next day for that.

[1:35:33] um ceremony in honor of the 25 um anniversary of that

[1:35:36] event.

[1:35:38] Um, I do want to give a kudos out to our staff and

[1:35:41] many staff that are not here but that are

[1:35:44] and a lot of them have been

[1:35:46] working towards our Rodeo that's coming up.

[1:35:49] in a week.

[1:35:50] And there's a lot of prep work.

[1:35:52] Um, we start probably close to a month ahead of time.

[1:35:55] and then during the event,

[1:35:57] we have a lot of emergency management

[1:35:59] involved. I know our police department works lots of hours.

[1:36:02] I know we have fire there.

[1:36:04] And we also have our staff picking up trash

[1:36:06] in the campground and everywhere else

[1:36:07] to make this work.

[1:36:08] And so this is a big, big deal in our community, and

[1:36:11] the city contributes a lot of manpower to that event.

[1:36:16] So I kudos them all for making sure for Madison

[1:36:18] looks good during that time.

[1:36:21] Um, that is all I have this evening.

[1:36:24] All right.

[1:36:25] speak up.

[1:36:26] Yeah. Oh my goodness.

[1:36:27] You all have a really long night,

[1:36:29] so I'm going to give you guys a nice story.

[1:36:31] Oh my gosh.

[1:36:32] Uh, two, two really exciting things.

[1:36:34] One, I'd like to actually give a shout out to Sean.

[1:36:37] Um, had a great opportunity to work with him on a grant.

[1:36:41] Um, him and I put in a lot of work.

[1:36:44] He did most of the writing. He did a really good job

[1:36:46] and we ended up getting, I believe it was $42,000

[1:36:48] for the county

[1:36:51] on a criminal interdiction grant

[1:36:53] for stolen items, burglaries.

[1:36:55] So, uh, pretty excited.

[1:36:57] Uh, that starts here relatively soon, so,

[1:36:58] uh, I wanted to tell him thank you formally because he put

[1:37:01] a lot of work into it, so I'm really excited.

[1:37:03] Uh, and it's always nice when we collaborate

[1:37:05] with other agencies.

[1:37:06] Yes.

[1:37:07] Um, one last one. Uh, one of my officers who couldn't

[1:37:09] be here because he's working a lot of overtime,

[1:37:12] we are short staffed.

[1:37:15] Uh, did something pretty awesome this week

[1:37:16] and I got to get of a letter of accommodation

[1:37:18] for him.

[1:37:20] Um, there was an elderly lady who her house was egged

[1:37:22] by some juveniles.

[1:37:24] Uh, the officer had taken the report and then

[1:37:26] on his day off,

[1:37:28] took his own personal power washer and washed

[1:37:30] her house.

[1:37:32] Um, and that is everything that I look for as a leader

[1:37:35] is that we're making impact in the community and

[1:37:38] my people are willing to sacrifice their own personal

[1:37:40] time for those that are in this community.

[1:37:42] So.

[1:37:43] Pretty proud of him.

[1:37:44] Yes.

[1:37:45] Well, thank you for sharing and no, I did not get

[1:37:47] a chance to ask you if you had anything.

[1:37:48] I should ask staff, was there anything else this evening?

[1:37:53] You okay, Chad? You okay?

[1:37:54] Okay.

[1:37:56] I'll see you for next time.

[1:37:57] Okay. Do we have any change orders you're going to talk

[1:37:59] about before they get on the agenda?

[1:38:01] No.

[1:38:02] Very briefly in light of the earlier proclamation,

[1:38:04] the library does have rotating collections at both

[1:38:06] uh, Gury Valley Place and Burwood.

[1:38:10] Oh, okay.

[1:38:11] Sarah, since since I did ask is there anything,

[1:38:13] do you want to talk about find your Fort Madison?

[1:38:18] Sure.

[1:38:19] You you might as well.

[1:38:20] You go so we can hear you

[1:38:22] and if we have viewers at home.

[1:38:26] So we're starting a program next week at the library

[1:38:29] called Find Your Fort Madison,

[1:38:30] where we're going to highlight local uh businesses, events,

[1:38:33] uh groups that are people in the community may not know of.

[1:38:37] We're starting off with Hinterland Dairy next to

[1:38:39] uh, yes, next Tuesday.

[1:38:41] Um, and then we're going to have Swed coffee in October.

[1:38:45] I'm going to try and get um, the Shafer Museum

[1:38:47] in November and kind of, I've got a list

[1:38:49] I'm working my way through

[1:38:51] for the upcoming year.

[1:38:53] Um, so if you know of a business or group that would

[1:38:56] enjoy being featured, have them reach out to me.

[1:38:58] I'm I'm wide open to bring people in and uh see

[1:39:00] what we can do to

[1:39:03] just kind of get people to know what's going on

[1:39:05] and it starts at 6.

[1:39:07] Yes.

[1:39:08] Yep.

[1:39:09] Awesome.

[1:39:10] Is it like a presentation of those businesses?

[1:39:12] Yes.

[1:39:13] Yeah.

[1:39:14] And in the case of places that deal in food, we're trying

[1:39:16] to bring in samples. So,

[1:39:17] So, and I may see if

[1:39:19] may we may do like if I can get sha

[1:39:21] and we may work with

[1:39:22] them to maybe do a door prize for a shaver pin,

[1:39:24] that sort of thing.

[1:39:27] So, we're going to try to have little fun little giveaways.

[1:39:30] Thank you. You appreciate that.

[1:39:31] for adult program.

[1:39:33] Okay, I think staff is good this evening.

[1:39:35] Um, our legal Dan is um, already off to go finish

[1:39:38] seeing the rest of his son's little football game.

[1:39:43] Mhm. And hats all catching some big fish, so.

[1:39:46] Oh, no problem.

[1:39:48] So now we move on to the council communications and

[1:39:50] mayor announcements.

[1:39:51] So Jerry, we're going to start with you down there.

[1:39:53] Hey guys, tell you.

[1:39:55] Right now.

[1:39:56] Vested.

[1:39:57] No.

[1:39:58] It's waiting enough.

[1:39:59] Angela.

[1:40:00] can't

[1:40:02] [laughter] Okay, I'm gonna follow suit

[1:40:04] and nothing here either.

[1:40:06] So, 7078 PM, the meeting is journed.

[1:40:09] [laughter]

[1:40:13] on and on and on

[1:40:14] because you

[1:40:15] You said A.A.

[1:40:16] [laughter]

[1:40:17] I'm so sorry.

[1:40:18] You should have just You should just on and on

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