[1:04] Now I think we do a quorum.

[1:06] 1, 2, 3. Yes, we do. Okay, so we have a quorum.

[1:10] So I am going to call this meeting to order.

[1:15] Can everybody hear me? Yes. Okay, thank you.

[1:20] So, just a couple things.

[1:21] First of all, we are doing a fully virtual meeting tonight,

[1:24] so I just wanna s scramble that a little bit.

[1:28] I'm decided to try it out for a multitude of reasons.

[1:31] First of all is I think the meetings have folly,

[1:34] despite the best efforts

[1:35] of everybody have not been the smoothest

[1:37] that's been both in terms of production of the meeting,

[1:40] but also the speaking and presenting has been a little

[1:42] challenging just to be able to see everything clearly

[1:45] and, and that type of thing.

[1:47] And even meeting there since the outset,

[1:49] we've never had everybody in the committee in the room at

[1:51] once or really even close.

[1:53] And we've had virtually no public in the room

[1:56] since our reception.

[1:58] But, so perhaps this will be easier,

[2:00] but certainly just as easy.

[2:04] So when we discussed this a little bit in one

[2:06] of our working sessions, there is some merit to the,

[2:08] maybe following presentations will be a little bit

[2:10] easier on the screen.

[2:13] Again, back the follow was either looking

[2:16] a long way across the room

[2:18] or on your screen there.

[2:21] So, and these in our meetings, as everyone knows, are

[2:26] pretty heavily screened dependent.

[2:28] So we'll see how it goes.

[2:29] I'm, I admit, I'm not usually overall a big fan

[2:33] of a virtual meeting Back in 2020

[2:37] and 21 when I was chairman of the city council,

[2:39] that's all we had from almost the

[2:40] entire time I was chairman.

[2:41] So it kind of brings back a little bit of bad memories, but,

[2:46] but I, I think it was worth it.

[2:48] Try it. So we're gonna do that tonight,

[2:50] probably do it for a while.

[2:52] And this wasn't a reason for it, but it is a truism.

[2:54] I think it is a little bit more convenient

[2:56] for our consultants who have

[2:57] to travel the frame medium far and wide.

[2:59] So if we can make it a little bit easier

[3:01] for them, that's fine too.

[3:03] And I'll certainly welcome Amy's feedback

[3:05] as we try it a couple times

[3:06] and see whether we think it works

[3:08] or whether we don't think it works.

[3:09] But that was the, that's the rationale from behind it.

[3:12] So I guess the easiest way as we go through this will be

[3:17] to raise your virtual hands if you could,

[3:20] when you wanna be recognized, we'll have

[3:23] to do roll call votes as always,

[3:24] but that's always the case anyways.

[3:27] So with that, I would accept any public comment.

[3:32] If anybody, I don't see anybody unless see one person

[3:36] and not see their hand up.

[3:37] So for that reason, I would assume

[3:40] we have no public participation.

[3:43] So the next item would be to review the meeting minutes

[3:46] and take a motion

[3:48] to approve the May 4th, 2026 meeting minutes.

[3:53] So moved. Okay,

[3:56] Second. Seconded.

[3:58] Okay, so move and seconded.

[4:00] So unfortunately I take a roll call vote on all of these.

[4:03] I'm gonna just read it across my screen as it appears.

[4:06] But as you know, the screen sometimes jumps around, so if

[4:10] you don't get called at the end

[4:11] of a roll call, just let me know.

[4:12] So just the way I see it, I'll go back

[4:14] and forth different directions, but anyways.

[4:17] So I'll start with myself. Yes. Adam?

[4:20] Yes. Brent? Yes. Brittany? Yes.

[4:24] David? Yes. Rachel? Yes. Mikayla.

[4:31] Sorry. Jess? Yes. Scott?

[4:36] Yes. And did I miss anybody?

[4:41] Mateo was a yes. Okay. Thank you all. Mr.

[4:45] Chair, we have our newest member Ria

[4:47] here for our first meeting.

[4:49] We do Sheria. Thank you. We have spoken previously.

[4:51] I, I'm trying to differentiate everybody's wish we in a way

[4:55] of differentiating the committee and the consultants,

[4:57] but I will get through it anyways then my screen just moved.

[5:02] I'll start sharing this. So Sherry, thank you.

[5:05] She was appointed by the mayor

[5:07] and is joined the committee for the first time tonight.

[5:11] Next will be a motion to approve the invoices for the April

[5:15] the month ending April of 2026.

[5:22] Someone like to make a motion.

[5:26] So moved. Okay. I heard Mr. Waler move it.

[5:29] I'll give a second to Mr. Freberg and I'll take a vote.

[5:35] Sheray, do you wanna vote tonight?

[5:40] I cannot hear you for some reason. Anyone else hear her?

[5:45] It shows you it's off mute, but I can't hear you.

[5:48] How's that? That's good. Yep.

[5:51] All right. Sorry about that. I was gonna abstain.

[5:54] Okay, that's fine. I just, that's fine. Mateo? Yes.

[6:00] Scott? Yes. Rachel? Yes. Jess?

[6:06] Yes. David? Yes. Brittany? Yes. Brent?

[6:12] Yes. Adam? Yes. And me? Yes. Okay.

[6:18] So the invoices are approved.

[6:21] Next is our, we're gonna discuss

[6:25] and rank the ranking evaluation criteria.

[6:29] So who is going to handle that? Which, which Chris?

[6:32] I, I can handle that. Mr. Chair.

[6:35] So just to quickly touch on the schedule,

[6:38] because I think it's important to understand as it relates

[6:40] to both the rankings that we're eventually gonna do

[6:43] and what's coming up on the project, we are about halfway

[6:47] between our first phase here.

[6:52] We are looking at a July completion for PDP.

[6:54] So we're a little more than halfway through.

[6:57] And in discussions with the working group, we're proposing

[7:00] July 8th as the public forum.

[7:03] This relates to the evaluation

[7:04] because currently we have tonight's meeting

[7:07] and another meeting scheduled at the end of June.

[7:10] Those two meetings are

[7:11] where we're really gonna look at the options

[7:14] that are being presented by TAP A

[7:16] and choosing July 8th gives us a chance

[7:19] after this committee has seen all the options to

[7:23] consider rankings, both in terms of how you plan to rank,

[7:28] but also understand what the options are

[7:30] before you rank by meeting with the public on July 8th.

[7:34] It'll give us a chance to share all the things

[7:36] that have been shared with all of you, as well

[7:37] as your comments with the public as a whole in advance of

[7:41] what we expect to be a ranking meeting on

[7:43] or around the 13th of July.

[7:46] We do understand the comments that have been raised

[7:50] by some members about this forum occurring later.

[7:55] But in discussion with the working group, we felt

[7:57] that having that forum as part of at the appropriate time

[8:02] for where the work was, was more important than trying

[8:05] to fit it in before folks leave at the end

[8:08] of the school vacation time for the summer.

[8:12] Next slide please. So

[8:17] we'd like to discuss evaluation criteria on these projects

[8:20] because I think process is an important part

[8:22] of an any MSBA job.

[8:24] At the end of the day, the phase

[8:25] that we're in the preliminary design program

[8:27] or PDP is about choosing the options that are advancing

[8:31] to the next stage.

[8:33] We're really trying to figure out which

[8:35] of the options presented from a test fit basis

[8:38] best represent the type of project that you would like

[8:41] to see more out of.

[8:42] And you're selecting those options on the basis

[8:44] that those options will be developed in the next phase.

[8:47] So this is not a determination

[8:49] of whether we're choosing the Hemenway site

[8:52] or whether we're choosing the Bethany site.

[8:54] It's a determination of what are the best options

[8:56] to move forward in terms of new construction options,

[9:00] add Reno options

[9:01] and a base repair option that is required by the MSBA.

[9:05] We're gonna look at a number of those options today.

[9:07] But before we did that, we wanted

[9:09] to just have a first touch base with the committee about

[9:12] what you felt are the appropriate evaluation criteria

[9:15] for evaluating those options against themselves.

[9:19] So if you are looking at two hemenway options,

[9:22] which one rises to the top?

[9:23] What are the important things, objective criteria

[9:26] that you can select that will point you in the right

[9:29] direction to choose what is most advantageous

[9:32] or least advantageous to move on to the next stage?

[9:35] During the PSR stage

[9:37] or preferred schematic report stage,

[9:39] we're gonna have a much more in-depth discussion about the

[9:41] appropriateness of the various options that do move forward.

[9:44] Tap A is gonna continue to develop those options,

[9:47] so we'll have a lot more detail

[9:48] and we'll really get into the thick of it.

[9:51] We sent these criteria to the committee in advance

[9:54] and we thought it made sense to sort them into

[9:59] or parse them out really from

[10:01] what is really about choosing the right site

[10:03] and the right location and what is really about,

[10:07] what is really applicable to all of the sites

[10:11] and can be useful in differentiating

[10:13] between the various options.

[10:15] So with that, I'm gonna turn it over to Anisa

[10:17] and she's gonna walk you through a, a little trick

[10:19] that we picked up from our visioning expert, David, Steven,

[10:22] so that we can rank some of these criteria

[10:24] that we feel are appropriate

[10:26] and so that we can ask you if there's any criteria

[10:28] that you feel should be added.

[10:32] Thanks Chris. So I put in the chat a link to

[10:36] my mentee meter presentation

[10:40] and if you gimme a second I'll pull it up

[10:42] and start sharing that as well.

[10:46] So basically if you, if you click the link, you can

[10:50] use your phone or use your computer

[10:51] and you can live rank all the

[10:54] different criteria that we have.

[10:56] So ahead of this meeting, I will say, Chris

[10:58] and I, I could only put 12 on the list.

[11:01] So we kind of took a few off some that maybe didn't relate

[11:04] as much to the site

[11:06] and we can add them back in when we get to the PSR stage.

[11:10] So if you, if you wanna go ahead

[11:12] and do that now, if you have any questions

[11:13] or you didn't get the link or it's not working,

[11:15] please let me know and I will share my screen

[11:18] and we should be able to see live the ranking start

[11:22] to take shape of what you think is most important.

[11:25] I see a couple questions, Scott, I'll start with you.

[11:28] Yeah, thank you. Actually you are

[11:30] so hold on for, hold on for a second.

[11:31] Hold on for a second. So I'm gonna ask that we do go

[11:34] through the chairman Okay.

[11:36] Just on these meetings to see how we just,

[11:38] Sorry.

[11:39] That's all right. And so Scott,

[11:41] maybe you, why don't you go ahead.

[11:43] Sorry. I'll show my video here. I apologize.

[11:46] All right, Scott, what, what's your is is she alright.

[11:49] Thank you Mr. Chairman. So Mr. Thank you. First

[11:53] Off, you, you answered the question I had about

[11:56] why there was 17 options in the deck

[11:58] and only 12 in the Mentimeter.

[12:01] Yeah, having said that, one of the ones

[12:04] that I don't see is the whole idea of phasing

[12:08] and swing space,

[12:09] which I think is gonna end up being a significant

[12:13] consideration depending upon

[12:16] which option we evaluate.

[12:20] So I do have some concerns that that's not one of the 12

[12:23] that we can prioritize.

[12:25] And then I also just wanted to

[12:28] clarify the one about impact to neighbors and neighborhood

[12:32] because we're looking at two potential sites.

[12:38] When I think about impact to neighbors

[12:40] and neighborhood, it's either a positive and

[12:43] or negative to both neighborhoods, right?

[12:46] So doing it at Hemingway is gonna have a certain impact on

[12:50] the Hemingway neighborhood.

[12:52] It's also gonna have an impact on the Bethany neighborhood

[12:54] because we're not doing it at Bethany and vice versa.

[12:58] So I just wanted to clarify,

[13:00] am I thinking about that in the right way?

[13:04] Yeah, I think that makes sense.

[13:05] I think we could potentially look at breaking that down

[13:10] as to impact.

[13:12] I guess we, I don't know Chris, what's your thought?

[13:14] I think we could probably do an impact to Bethany

[13:16] and then impact to he and her separately. Part of

[13:19] Part of the process that we used

[13:21] for breaking these down is

[13:22] to understand these evaluation criteria

[13:25] don't necessarily need to be a comparison between

[13:27] what we do at Bethany and what we do at hemenway.

[13:31] Now we will have an involved discussion of that

[13:34] through the PSR, but we would recommend

[13:37] that at this time we choose one ad Reno at hemenway,

[13:40] one new construction at Hemenway, one, Bethany

[13:46] Road, new construction, and that all of those advance

[13:50] and if the committee feels it's necessary,

[13:52] others could advance as well.

[13:53] So we would have more options

[13:55] and that would factor into the evaluation that we do.

[13:58] Now, what we don't recommend at this time is

[14:03] to be weighing Bethany options against Hemingway

[14:07] options because each of the options really either work

[14:11] or don't in terms of how they're presented on the screen.

[14:15] The other thing that I'll say is

[14:16] that while we could only list 12 in our initial ranking

[14:19] here, the second slide that we'll get

[14:22] to in a minute is a word cloud.

[14:24] So if there was something that the committee felt was not

[14:29] represented in these 12 options that we proposed

[14:32] to be ranked, we can have you add those in

[14:37] and then we'll analyze those between now

[14:39] and the next meeting and bring back the top ranked

[14:45] criteria as well as the items that come from the word cloud

[14:48] that are consistently recommended by folks on the committee.

[14:53] Yeah. So to that end, I think I'll, I'll recognize Brent,

[14:56] but then I think we should go through this

[14:58] and then if we find something missing

[15:00] or something that wasn't, you know, as inclusive

[15:02] or involved, then we can maybe talk about it then.

[15:05] But instead of like trying to anticipate it ahead of time,

[15:08] I just fear we're gonna make a,

[15:09] a relatively long presentation longer.

[15:12] So Brent, then I have one technical issue,

[15:13] then we'll start. So go ahead.

[15:15] My only question, and I'm not an expert by any means,

[15:17] but are anonymous surveys allowed via open meeting law?

[15:22] I would defer to someone else with greater knowledge.

[15:24] Right? Well, I mean anonymous or votes or not, but I mean

[15:31] I, I've seen this same

[15:33] system used in other school building committees.

[15:37] Yeah, I, I, I, I, I agree.

[15:38] I think that's an interesting question to be honest

[15:41] with you from a strictly legal point of view.

[15:43] But I think I'm gonna take our chances

[15:45] and do it and see what happens.

[15:46] Okay, so the only technical question I would have,

[15:50] and maybe it's me, but if I press

[15:53] and get that up on the screen, then I lose the zoom

[15:58] screen on my screen.

[15:59] Is that just me or is everybody challenging with this?

[16:03] I guess what I'm saying is how do I get

[16:04] that link on a different device?

[16:08] You can copy and paste.

[16:09] It would probably be the easiest way it, are you able

[16:13] to grab the QR code so that someone

[16:16] with a phone could scan it? Anissa? Yeah.

[16:18] Gimme one second. I think I have to get out of this.

[16:21] All right, because I Let, let me stop sharing

[16:24] for a second and then I'll pop it back

[16:25] up. Just gimme one sec.

[16:27] Thanks. What we were trying

[16:29] to do is avoid opening this up

[16:30] to everyone from the community viewing to also weigh in.

[16:34] We wanted to solicit the opinions of the panelists,

[16:38] Right.

[16:42] Let me see if I can drop that in the chat.

[16:53] Okay. I sent the QR code.

[16:57] You might have to download it to, to view it

[17:01] Should just, I'll work.

[17:02] It was just me. I'll work something out here.

[17:03] And this, I'm trying to keep an eye on the meeting

[17:05] and also the screen and also the questions.

[17:08] So, all right, so let's, let's move forward.

[17:12] Okay. Sorry, let me start this again

[17:14] and I will share my screen.

[17:17] Gimme one sec.

[17:23] Can everyone see the ranking there?

[17:29] Yes. Okay.

[17:31] Yes. Yep.

[17:36] I,

[17:53] We, what are we doing?

[17:56] So has everybody had a chance to enter their rankings

[17:59] or does anybody need a Another minute?

[18:02] You need another minute? Feel free

[18:03] to raise your hand in the zoom.

[18:12] All right, so why don't we move on to the next one, Anissa.

[18:14] Okay.

[18:17] Where do we put the rankings?

[18:19] So if you go to the chat, there's a link you can click

[18:24] and it will give you the opportunity to rank the items

[18:27] that are on the screen in terms of the criteria

[18:30] that we are selecting to evaluate the options

[18:33] that come in at the end of this phase, it's to

[18:37] evaluate the options on the sites.

[18:38] They are not to compare between the various sites.

[18:45] Okay. So I'm going to move on to the next one.

[18:51] Let me see. And

[18:56] so this one should use the same link

[18:59] and you should be able to

[19:01] type in any criteria that you think is missing.

[19:04] And it's, it's live.

[19:05] So as you do it, it should pop up on the screen.

[19:22] So in the interest of time, if you've finished typing,

[19:26] anything that you'd like to add,

[19:27] if you could just put your hand up, that way we know

[19:29] that we're not cutting anybody short.

[20:07] I know this is getting confusing,

[20:09] but I'd rather use real hands for responding to them

[20:12] because virtual hands I think you wanna speak.

[20:15] Okay. So if you wanna speak, leave your virtual hand up.

[20:18] Otherwise let's just use real hands.

[20:20] But yes, I know it's a pain, but it's just a way to,

[20:26] And, and I do wanna say we are saving this

[20:28] and we can distribute it to everybody afterwards as well.

[20:33] 'cause I don't, we're kind of moving a little quickly here,

[20:35] but I just wanted to let you

[20:36] know that we can share it after.

[20:40] Okay. Why don't we move, move on

[20:43] unless someone objects to the next. So

[20:46] We'll, we'll summarize this

[20:47] and we'll report back on all of it

[20:50] for discussion at the next meeting.

[20:53] Okay, Thank you. I appreciate it.

[20:56] All right, let me, if I do

[20:57] this, we are back.

[21:01] Can everyone see the presentation again?

[21:05] Should be sharing that.

[21:06] We can go on to

[21:12] the tappe presentation.

[21:15] Okay, so ready? So that's it for that

[21:17] and we're ready for the next agenda item.

[21:19] Yep. Okay. Okay, go ahead.

[21:24] Are you ready Mr. Chair?

[21:25] Yes I am. Go ahead Chris. Okay,

[21:27] Great.

[21:28] All right. So we're gonna run through the options here

[21:30] that we've started with and these are preliminary

[21:33] and sort of beginning to put rails around the strategies

[21:37] that we had presented earlier

[21:39] to remind you a little bit here are the Framingham site

[21:43] constraints, sorry, him

[21:44] and way site constraints

[21:48] of the existing building and site.

[21:50] And so there's really two major access points.

[21:52] Those are the red arrows on the

[21:53] front, the building in yellow.

[21:56] And then the big solid black line is the buildable area.

[21:59] Inside of that is what is the buildable area.

[22:02] And then you can start to decipher some of the setbacks

[22:04] with the different dotted lines and dash lines

[22:07] and things like that along with flood zones

[22:10] and steep slopes.

[22:12] And so not, not the easiest site to deal with.

[22:16] You can go to the next slide. And so we talked

[22:20] to you about the strategies in each of these options so far.

[22:23] You're gonna see on the right upper right hand corner is the

[22:27] strategy that the option's related to.

[22:30] And so this one was the option

[22:33] or strategy where we had an addition

[22:34] up in the top left corner.

[22:36] Another reminder is that there's

[22:38] essentially three building separation,

[22:41] separation lines in the building.

[22:42] And so it's not super important for right now,

[22:47] but that's where we kind of broke the building

[22:49] apart in different ways.

[22:50] So this option is a three story renovation edition

[22:54] option at the Hemingway.

[22:55] It's called AR one.

[22:57] It has a major addition in the back of the building,

[23:01] which is about a two story spot,

[23:04] but it's big spaces like the gym

[23:06] and the, yeah, mostly the gym.

[23:09] And then the three story addition on the front,

[23:12] there's a portion of this building.

[23:13] You can see on the right hand sort of right middle,

[23:17] there's a key and then there's a floor plan.

[23:20] These, you know, what we hope you will do is take these

[23:24] after the meeting, they were in your packet too,

[23:27] and you can start to evaluate and,

[23:30] and review those a little bit more in depth.

[23:33] But these are at PDP level, really supposed to be sort

[23:35] of at a glance at this at this point.

[23:38] We'll get more detail as we get going further.

[23:41] But this one has that little arm

[23:43] that sticks out over the parking lot.

[23:44] This manages to keep drop off and pickup and circulation

[23:48] because it's tight already.

[23:50] And then create more space above that.

[23:52] And so that's AR one three story edition renovation.

[23:56] You can go to the next slide. So

[24:01] AR two is a two story addition renovation.

[24:04] Again, similar strategy with the addition in the back,

[24:07] which adds space for gym and cafeteria.

[24:11] And then as you can see in the top right hand corner,

[24:13] the blue area that says addition, that's the part

[24:15] of the building that we would take down and rebuild.

[24:18] And so that allows us to get a two story building

[24:20] because we're getting more space to build new and,

[24:25] and actually make right sized

[24:28] and right program for the building.

[24:29] And so the big differentiator between AR one

[24:32] and AR two at this point would be the two story addition

[24:36] renovation option.

[24:37] And that's what you see. See here,

[24:39] no big arm cantilevering out over the site.

[24:45] And so yeah, so this is a two story addition renovation

[24:48] with addition in the back and the front, right?

[24:51] And go to the next slide. And

[24:55] so AR three was looking at taking,

[24:56] basically replacing the entire front part of the building,

[25:01] maintaining some of the courtyard that's there now,

[25:05] but building a three story option, a three story portion

[25:08] of the building that's in this plan on the top.

[25:11] And then a smaller portion on the

[25:14] lower portion on the lower bit of the plan in the plan view.

[25:18] And another sort of, all these have a similar strategy

[25:22] where we're trying to put big space at the back end

[25:25] of the building, which is the, you know,

[25:28] in this instance it's an expanded cafeteria.

[25:31] And then the reason for the three story addition is

[25:34] 'cause part of it is a two story gym.

[25:36] So, so another option here, this would have a similar appeal

[25:41] or similar look as the existing school, just a bit taller.

[25:45] You can go to AR four.

[25:49] And then AR four is looking at an option

[25:51] that replaces the entire back part of the building.

[25:53] So that right now houses the gym and music

[25:56] and some portable buildings.

[25:59] And so what we're doing here is trying

[26:01] to academically rebuild all the classroom space,

[26:04] three story addition on the back and then create

[26:07] and renovate all the space on the front side of the building

[26:11] and create a new gym.

[26:13] One comment that was just made in your criteria evaluations

[26:16] from one of the members was about phasing in logistics and,

[26:22] and planning for especially the Hemingway options,

[26:26] which is going to require us to find alternative space

[26:29] or put modulars on the site.

[26:31] And so that's the next layer of information.

[26:33] We're gonna start putting on all of these so

[26:35] that you can understand that impact.

[26:37] But right now we're just looking at initial strategies

[26:41] and options that come from strategies.

[26:43] And so you can look at the next slide please.

[26:49] And so now we're going to pivot into a few new options

[26:52] on the Hemingway site.

[26:53] This is part of what the MSBA requires us to do.

[26:56] We have to show that we looked at completely

[26:58] new builds on the same site.

[27:00] And so that means just tearing the whole thing down.

[27:03] And so we've got a couple of ideas here on strategy.

[27:06] The one here, this first one is a more

[27:10] typical school that you would find in more kind

[27:13] of rural context or or semi-rural suburban communities.

[27:18] And it's got the wings

[27:20] and the differentiated learning communities,

[27:23] but it's only two stories.

[27:25] And so that allows us to get space on windows on all sides.

[27:30] It's solar oriented.

[27:31] So if you actually rotate this around for, for North,

[27:34] we're able to re position the long axes of the building

[27:37] where there's students all day long so that they have a good

[27:42] southern and northern exposure instead

[27:43] of the east west side.

[27:45] And so that's beneficial to the sustainability side,

[27:49] which is you'd have

[27:50] to do other things on the other options we've shown so far.

[27:53] So we've got, we're looking at here two story option

[27:55] as a new new building on the site.

[27:59] There's gonna be other layers of circulation

[28:01] and things like that coming with all of these sites as well

[28:04] where we'll start talking about bus loops and cars

[28:06] and pedestrians and drop offs and stuff like that.

[28:10] But for now it's just these initial test fits.

[28:13] You can go to the next slide. And

[28:16] so we looked at another version of that,

[28:17] which is a three story building, which allows us

[28:19] to pull back from the street.

[28:21] You can see that strategy is basically taking the one wing

[28:24] and stacking it on top of the other,

[28:27] but a similar back backside footprint.

[28:30] But this allows us to get a little bit more off the street,

[28:32] which is gonna be a little bit more pages for the amount

[28:34] of students on the site and how we can do circulation.

[28:39] Hang on, my lights just went off.

[28:44] Sorry about that. And it allows us

[28:46] to get a little bit more circulation on the site,

[28:48] which again, we'll start diagramming for the next pass.

[28:52] Yep, you can go to the next slide.

[28:55] And then the sort of final Hemingway option, new option

[29:00] that we looked at is a more urban type school

[29:03] where it's just a big block, like kind

[29:05] of a big solid block in the middle of the site.

[29:08] This allows us to get very dense on the programming and,

[29:13] and start to really pack things into a floor plate

[29:16] that isn't long or wing driven, but it's more central

[29:22] and sort of neighborhood driven on the floor plate itself.

[29:25] And so we'll talk more about that in future presentations.

[29:29] But Kristin Vertex actually really wanted us to study

[29:34] the urban school option on this site just to see what,

[29:38] how the committee feels about that as a new option.

[29:40] And so I agree and we should be showing this

[29:43] and hopefully we can get some traction on on

[29:47] that being what it needs to be for 900.

[29:50] And again, remember there's 985 students in all

[29:53] of these options K through 12

[29:55] or K through five, sorry, you can go to the next option.

[29:58] Next slide. All right, so shifting

[30:02] to the Bethany Road site, we wanted to kind

[30:06] of highlight some of the site constraints here.

[30:09] Again, I think we've shown a slide like this before,

[30:12] but the buildable area again is inside that sort

[30:15] of solid dash line.

[30:16] And then we have some steeper slopes in the sort of

[30:20] salmon color and the,

[30:25] the mid grade slopes are in purple.

[30:28] And then the sort of flat areas are in the green lime color.

[30:33] And so the middle of the site, right

[30:35] where it says buildable areas, actually the low part

[30:38] of the sites we're kind of in a valley like a,

[30:41] like a U-shape, almost like a glacial push valley here

[30:46] of, of land.

[30:48] And that's where the best usable site is

[30:51] and it's the most accessible

[30:52] and it's actually the, the elevation

[30:54] that the site main site road enters in right now.

[30:57] And so we just kind of wanted to bring that attention,

[31:00] the dashed lines on the right

[31:02] and the dashed line on the left are sort of the ridge lines

[31:05] of the two sort of top parts of the, of the hills.

[31:09] And so we have that going through,

[31:12] we have that valley in the middle.

[31:13] So that's, that'll orient you on how these

[31:16] next few options shake up.

[31:18] So you can go to the next slide.

[31:23] Okay, so we have here a two story option

[31:27] on this site, which is a two story and,

[31:30] and actually three story to the left could be both

[31:34] in some degree.

[31:36] And so we're trying to show that here

[31:40] where we can, this is similar

[31:42] to our interview site scheme too, where we have this,

[31:47] this floor plate that you enter into on the first floor,

[31:49] the second floor stacks above that.

[31:50] And then the third floor has the last grade of classrooms

[31:54] and then the mid, the middle

[31:55] of the building actually has all the core elements like gym

[31:58] and media and all of that stuff.

[31:59] And so, so this one would sit down at the, in the,

[32:04] in the bottom of the valley

[32:06] and then kind of nestle itself up against the hill

[32:08] where we can do some transition and landscape and drop off

[32:11] and maybe even make the second floor an entry

[32:14] on that on that side.

[32:15] But we still need to study how all that works,

[32:19] which we're doing right now.

[32:22] You can go to the next slide. And another sort of option

[32:27] and shape for the building is the, this is kind of the,

[32:31] I don't know, you wanna call that a hockey stick

[32:33] or whatever you wanna say it for the, for the shape.

[32:35] But this, this one gets us to a little bit more

[32:39] of a concentric core where the, the, the core

[32:44] spots come more public.

[32:46] So you can see those elements.

[32:47] They're sort of in the first floor plan.

[32:49] The gym and the media

[32:52] and the cafeteria service are all on the left hand side,

[32:54] but those are front facing.

[32:55] And so if you have community events, folks don't have to go

[32:58] through the building, which the other option would've had

[33:01] people go through the building to the, the more back part

[33:04] of the site or the building.

[33:05] And then, so this one kind of flips that

[33:08] and it gives us the ability to wrap.

[33:10] I don't know that it'll take this final form at the end

[33:12] of the day, but the idea is that it kind of wraps around

[33:14] that hill in some form or shape and puts the public spots

[33:19] or the, the big program spots that can be used after hours

[33:22] and for public use more towards the front of the building

[33:25] and then you can really get a sectioning off of the building

[33:28] and keep them compartmentalized for evening use.

[33:32] And go to the next slide.

[33:39] And then we did this, this, this option, which is

[33:43] what we're calling the dual school option.

[33:45] So this is, we'll talk more about this

[33:48] as we go further into the pro the the process here.

[33:52] But this, this option is looking at what if it became viable

[33:56] or feasible for us to do

[34:00] the dual school exactly what it says.

[34:02] And that's that we put, we just renovate Hemingway,

[34:06] we prove out that the building is okay for school

[34:11] now and it needs to be renovated for sure,

[34:14] but for a school of about 493 students it works

[34:19] and we can make that doable on site with pre-K.

[34:24] And then on Bethany Road we have a school

[34:27] of about an equal amount of students with pre-K

[34:32] out there on that site.

[34:33] And so you're splitting the required population from the

[34:37] MSBA into basically two schools.

[34:39] One gets a pretty decent renovation to it with systems

[34:42] and everything that needs to be upgraded.

[34:44] And the other is a new building.

[34:47] And the idea here is that if we run into the need

[34:50] to have schools in both locations

[34:53] or we find out that a 985 student,

[34:56] which will be the largest elementary school in Framingham at

[35:00] this point, if that becomes unwieldy

[35:03] or anything like that, this is an option

[35:05] that we would definitely have to get more in depth

[35:07] with the MSBA on in terms of their acceptance of it

[35:11] or even us being able to continue to pitch it to them.

[35:16] But for the sake of turning over stones

[35:18] and making sure we looked at all of the things available

[35:20] to us, we started to study this one as well.

[35:24] And so, and then can go to the next slide

[35:30] and then the renovation only

[35:35] here is the option that

[35:38] that MSBA also requires us to do.

[35:42] That's not this one, but this is the, the D one.

[35:45] So this is the rental option,

[35:46] the school part of the dual school option.

[35:48] So it doesn't,

[35:50] the renovation only option looks just like this actually.

[35:53] So it doesn't do much to the,

[35:55] to school's population doesn't expand, it doesn't grow.

[36:00] The nature of building the second school allows some pre-K

[36:03] to come into the building because you're

[36:04] generating capacity shift.

[36:06] And so that's why we can put pre-K in it as a,

[36:10] as a dual school option,

[36:11] but as a renovation only, we would be hard pressed to get

[36:16] much else into the building.

[36:17] So you can go to the next slide. And then the floor plan

[36:22] for the new smaller school again is able to get all of the

[36:28] large programs up to the front of the building

[36:31] and you'll see these common threads where we're trying

[36:34] to get the learning communities by grade differentiated

[36:38] and programmed out so

[36:40] that we can get the learning communities sorted that way.

[36:44] And so this is where that option is right now,

[36:47] looking at the two dual school plans themselves,

[36:51] you can go the next slide.

[36:55] And so those, that's the quick run through of options.

[36:58] Again, you should have these in your, in your packet

[37:01] and be able to sort of sit with them a little bit more and,

[37:04] and analyze and kind of think through them.

[37:08] The, I think the goal for tonight,

[37:10] and I'll hand it over to the chair

[37:12] after I say this, is to for you guys to,

[37:16] if you have questions about thought process behind any

[37:19] of these and more specifically

[37:23] and more urgently to the processes,

[37:25] we wanna know if there's any major options that need

[37:28] to be added to this

[37:29] that someone is thinking about we didn't

[37:31] already investigate.

[37:34] And that's, that's really what we need to kind of get

[37:37] to understanding is if we've kind

[37:39] of captured all the option ideas,

[37:42] even though they could evolve

[37:43] and permeate along the way changes.

[37:47] If you have anything to say about those,

[37:49] we can take them now too.

[37:51] But really we're kind of looking for did we kind

[37:53] of capture the breadth of options available

[37:55] and then we can start to hone in

[37:57] and use the selection criteria to kind of make some go away

[38:01] or continue studying other aspects.

[38:03] So Mr. Chair, I'll let you take the book.

[38:06] Okay, thank you. So who has questions that they would like

[38:09] to or comments to follow up on

[38:14] Mr.

[38:15] Chair? I do if I could. Thank you.

[38:18] So just some feedback for Chris.

[38:21] I know we have another presentation of these, excuse me,

[38:25] of these options in two weeks

[38:28] and you had mentioned a couple times us taking some time

[38:31] to sort of sit with these, thinking about that.

[38:35] I think there's a couple challenges with the way

[38:38] this is presented now.

[38:41] One is these little floor thumbnails

[38:45] are totally unreadable

[38:47] and so I don't know if there's, if it's possible to get sort

[38:52] of larger visualizations of

[38:54] what the floor plates would look like for,

[38:56] for each of these options.

[38:58] I'm guessing they started out big

[39:00] and we shrunk 'em down to fit 'em on a slide.

[39:03] And then the other thing

[39:04] that I'm thinking is gonna be a challenge as we start

[39:07] to assess these options,

[39:08] and you alluded it, you alluded to this on a couple of them,

[39:12] is what does the rest of the site look like?

[39:16] I know we're still early stage,

[39:17] but you mentioned like what part is at the front

[39:21] of the school, what part is at the back of the school,

[39:24] what does circulation look like?

[39:26] Do we have enough parking?

[39:27] You know, is there room for parking and bus loops

[39:30] and all that stuff.

[39:32] I'm not suggesting that we go deeper than we need

[39:36] to from a design perspective,

[39:37] but I'm finding it challenging to assess

[39:42] these based upon what I'm seeing so far.

[39:49] Yeah, thank you. I think I was trying

[39:52] to mention earlier these, these first passes aren't meant to

[39:56] get into the weeds of in depth of assessment.

[40:00] We were hoping to present these as a first pass

[40:02] to say this is the lay of the land is sort

[40:04] of like you're looking at them at 30,000 feet.

[40:07] And then we can start to layer in more details of like,

[40:09] okay, now I understand,

[40:12] you know the the general shape and the strategy.

[40:15] Now I can layer in the traffic response

[40:17] and we can get into more details about the plans

[40:22] at this phase you're not really taking one off the,

[40:25] like you're not taking plans off the table

[40:30] because of program or plan layout necessarily

[40:35] because like they're all totally shiftable.

[40:37] It's really just like how we're trying to fit these on site

[40:41] and that kind of thing.

[40:42] But point noted

[40:44] and we'll try to get you some larger plans

[40:46] to look at in more detail as we go forward.

[40:48] Sure, yeah, Right. Thank you.

[40:53] I had a couple of thoughts or comments.

[40:56] One was that it's kind of difficult, difficult to

[41:00] know if we need any more options

[41:02] or if what we have is sufficient in that.

[41:05] I think there is a little bit of a disconnect

[41:07] between the overall footprint diagram on the left

[41:11] and then some of the articulated floor plans

[41:14] that you're showing on the right.

[41:16] It's hard to make that jump

[41:18] between scales if you know what I mean.

[41:20] And I think it might help if you did

[41:23] a drawing in between that.

[41:24] Just explain big picture why some of the large scale moves

[41:29] that you're trying to express in the floor plans

[41:32] because it's kind of hard to follow, you know,

[41:35] as Scott said, where the entrance is,

[41:37] how you might circulate

[41:39] and weigh that against the floor plans.

[41:41] Because for example, if you go to maybe option,

[41:45] let's say NC one, there's just

[41:49] so much articulation in the design

[41:51] that it almost feels like it's already designed

[41:59] rather than it feeling a little bit more like a diagram.

[42:02] Does that make sense?

[42:05] Yeah, sure. Yeah.

[42:07] I mean we're baking ideas into these like how, how to, yeah,

[42:11] I think, so the layer

[42:14] that's not in depth here is that we

[42:18] are putting into these, like we're already trying to

[42:22] engulf like, I don't know, ingest things

[42:26] that were talked about in the ED program

[42:28] and ed envisioning sessions.

[42:29] And so that's a whole layer of information that

[42:33] this committee has reviewed and looked at.

[42:35] And so we're, we're putting those in,

[42:36] but it would be for us to go

[42:38] and diagram every single one of these.

[42:40] Like we would be, we would be like, it would be hours

[42:47] and to kind of talk through that again floor plan basis.

[42:50] And so we can definitely layer in

[42:55] and talk through a little bit more of it.

[42:56] But it's, I mean the big, the big move is you're trying

[43:00] to get a 985 student school to feel smaller

[43:04] by doing schools within schools

[43:06] and community like neighborhood clusters.

[43:09] And so that's, that's why you'll see these divisions,

[43:12] like particularly in this plan, there's a cluster

[43:14] and then it bends a little bit

[43:15] and then there's another cluster and then there's a core

[43:17] and then there's another cluster.

[43:18] And so that's kind of the strategy of like how do you do

[43:21] that on a site

[43:24] And, but I guess I, the only thing that we have a list of

[43:29] evaluation criteria,

[43:32] but then it's kind of difficult to see

[43:34] that criteria being met in the plans. So just

[43:39] So like I said before, yeah, would be helpful.

[43:41] Like I said before, these are the first pass, right?

[43:44] We're trying to show you at a glance, first pass like, like

[43:50] the first attempt to show detail on an option is not at

[43:54] quarter inch scale zoomed in so far

[43:56] that you can't understand how it goes.

[43:58] And so what we're trying to say is, okay, I,

[44:00] I can understand the part TI just wanna know more like

[44:03] you're saying you're, you're curious about the next level.

[44:05] So the next time you see these we zoom in a little bit

[44:08] further and we start to diagram out different things related

[44:13] to the floor plan layout

[44:14] or the, you know, the school how we want it to, you know,

[44:19] teaching and learning and things like that.

[44:21] And so the idea

[44:22] with this first pass is generally speaking at PDP,

[44:27] we're doing a very high level lay of the land sort of thing.

[44:32] This is how it's oriented.

[44:33] These like basic things like that,

[44:35] like this is south oriented, you know, it follows the path

[44:38] of the sun and things like that.

[44:39] And so yeah, so we'll,

[44:43] we'll continue to add more.

[44:45] I think you're asking for more detail.

[44:46] You want to know how the school I'm so I'm so,

[44:50] So do you have another question? She,

[44:53] I was just saying actually ask, asking

[44:54] for less detail if that makes sense.

[44:57] I think just like knowing what the big picture

[45:00] site strategies are would be helpful, that's all.

[45:04] Okay. Okay. Thank you Brittany.

[45:11] Thank you. I think

[45:14] my comment does touch on what Reya is mentioning.

[45:19] One thought I had is, is it possible to add

[45:23] maybe like a couple of bullet points on each slide

[45:28] for each of these like proposals

[45:32] just laying out like the pros

[45:33] and cons of each of these designs.

[45:36] Because what I heard,

[45:38] I heard like some really great voiceover as you were going

[45:42] through each slide, but pretty much lost it

[45:45] immediately, if that makes sense.

[45:47] So if there were a few bullet points on each slide just

[45:51] really highlighting why you think

[45:54] this is a good option versus a bad

[45:55] option, I think that would be helpful.

[46:00] We can do that for sure. Especially

[46:04] with the current Hemingway site as we were looking

[46:07] through options, parking was just something

[46:09] that kept coming up in my mind as we figure out how

[46:11] to provide parking for this many staff.

[46:14] Are we allowed to consider parking garages

[46:16] or structures that would expand parking access?

[46:20] You are, they're not funded by the MSPA

[46:22] so it'd be completely ineligible.

[46:25] Gotcha. The other question I had was given

[46:31] the different options, especially, what am I looking at?

[46:35] The one currently on our screen will do elevator shafts

[46:39] and the number of elevator booths that would be needed to

[46:42] have the space be accessible,

[46:43] especially considering the student

[46:45] population we're looking to serve.

[46:48] Yeah, I think we would plan

[46:49] for one elevator in a building like this.

[46:52] I wouldn't, I mean yeah

[46:56] I wouldn't put two in

[46:58] unless there was a specific like driver for that,

[47:03] but building the size we could definitely do one

[47:08] Other questions.

[47:12] Okay, so Chris, what, what, what's the next step

[47:14] with this in two weeks or what?

[47:18] Well the next schedule I think Chris, I dunno if that was

[47:21] for Eberly or blessing.

[47:23] No, that was first.

[47:24] I mean what your next step is to

[47:26] how you gonna move from here?

[47:28] So my next, next step in in tap a's next step designing

[47:31] wise is that we add all that detail

[47:33] that we just talked about that the building committee is

[47:35] asking for and less detail in the sense

[47:38] that we wanna show you the sort of key site drivers and,

[47:41] and how we're responding to that.

[47:43] I think. So we've noted those comments, we'll

[47:48] figure out a way to graphically show these

[47:49] and get you guys more into, you know,

[47:54] pros and cons and drivers and things like that on these.

[47:59] We'll start to layer in all the information on the site

[48:01] and the flow and the parking

[48:03] and all of those kinds of things that pros

[48:04] and cons like that's coming.

[48:07] The one thing that I think Everly is gonna talk

[48:10] to you about in a second is whether

[48:12] or not we need a meeting on June,

[48:15] June 15th I think is the proposed date, correct.

[48:19] And if, if not, then we can continue to develop these

[48:24] and go to June 29th

[48:27] and we'll start to get more pricing level numbers

[48:31] and stuff like that coming through the beginning of July.

[48:36] But the, the big question is,

[48:40] you know, if there's, if there's no options that seem like,

[48:46] you know, if we hadn't done the dual school option,

[48:48] someone might say on this committee,

[48:49] Hey I think there's a dual school option you haven't

[48:51] done, can you do that?

[48:53] And so right now we're sort of trying to shake

[48:55] that out like is there some permutation someone could say,

[48:59] have you looked at a five story school on him and waste?

[49:02] I like I don't, I, there's a lot of reasons why I

[49:06] or four story school I don't know.

[49:07] But like if someone has a very specific thing you've been

[49:10] thinking about that doesn't seem in some form

[49:13] or fashion covered by the options that we've

[49:16] provided, then I think we would want to know that

[49:19] and we can add that to the list

[49:21] and meet on the 15th to discuss it

[49:23] or we can just continue to put all this options to detail

[49:28] and explanation and try to help bring clarity.

[49:31] And that would be probably on the 29th.

[49:35] So I think that's Mr.

[49:37] Chair, that's for you and your committee to decide.

[49:41] Okay. So Chris Everly,

[49:43] do you wanna say anything about this?

[49:45] Yeah, so in discussion with the working group

[49:48] as Chris alluded to, one of the questions

[49:51] that came up is the level of detail

[49:54] that the committee would like to see

[49:55] and I think tonight's comments have been helpful

[49:57] in illustrating the level of detail that you're looking for.

[50:01] One of the questions that was raised in

[50:02] that discussion was whether it made sense to have a meeting

[50:05] on the 15th so that we had more opportunities

[50:09] to see development prior to getting to the final evaluation

[50:13] as the schedule sets up.

[50:15] Now if you take that bold meeting off of the list, the

[50:19] 29th would be our next get together,

[50:21] which would have a month of development

[50:23] for TAP A headed into that meeting.

[50:26] During that time we would forward all options that we had.

[50:29] So that would be more of a reporting with minor changes

[50:33] on the 29th with

[50:35] and those minor changes would be

[50:37] forwarded to the estimators.

[50:38] The estimators costs are likely to come in around the ninth.

[50:42] And so around the time that we have the public forum,

[50:47] the public forum would report on the work

[50:49] that has been reviewed at this meeting

[50:52] and on the 29th with the development

[50:54] and then this committee would come back together on the

[50:56] 13th of July where you would evaluate based on criteria

[51:00] that we all agree on the question

[51:02] or the open question, the committee that we wanted

[51:05] to raise tonight is based on what you've seen,

[51:08] does it make sense to add an additional meeting in the

[51:11] middle of June so that you would have more opportunity

[51:14] to comment on development

[51:16] and shape the direction that this goes.

[51:22] Okay. Scott, do you have another question or what?

[51:25] What should hear that for though?

[51:29] You're muted Scott. Thanks.

[51:34] I do that at least once a day. Sorry Mr. Chair.

[51:38] So I was actually going back to the question that I think

[51:45] Chris from Tappe raised about, are there options that

[51:49] we're not seeing here?

[51:52] And this ties back to that dual dual school option.

[51:57] We've talked about the importance

[52:00] of keeping the Hemenway property as an active part

[52:04] of the school district fabric,

[52:08] but I don't know personally that splitting

[52:14] the enrollment

[52:15] between those two schools is really gonna bias us anything.

[52:19] I mean the, the greater shortage is seats on the south side

[52:24] so keeping half of them in the existing site

[52:28] unless, sorry, keeping half of them in the existing site,

[52:32] I don't think actually buys us anything.

[52:35] What I would love to see,

[52:37] and I don't know if it actually fits with

[52:39] the MSBA ground rules

[52:41] or something, I would love to see an option where

[52:45] Hammond way stays as a pre-K

[52:48] or as a pre-K K not as a pre-K five

[52:52] and we actually continue with the idea

[52:56] of shifting that population to the Bethany site.

[52:59] I don't know if that makes sense.

[53:00] I feel like I'm kind of rambling

[53:02] but that's one option that I don't see here.

[53:06] Again, I don't know if

[53:07] that's a viable option from an MSVA perspective,

[53:10] but we've talked about it multiple times.

[53:13] The importance of keeping Hemingway in the picture.

[53:16] Well I see a couple other hands up so I just,

[53:19] but my first reaction to that Scott would be that's really,

[53:23] you know, something that whether we are gonna have have a

[53:25] pre-K site like that is really more

[53:27] of a school committee decision than a

[53:29] school building committee decision.

[53:31] But anyways, just

[53:36] I think I saw Adam's hand up before mine.

[53:38] This is up still. I'm happy to

[53:40] Next.

[53:41] Go ahead. You got, you got recognized you only hand up.

[53:44] So thanks Scott for bringing that point.

[53:45] I think you make an important point.

[53:47] My point was, I have two points.

[53:49] One was just going back to the packet materials

[53:52] of the the site.

[53:56] So for example, we're not seeing on these plans

[54:00] for the Bethany location, any of the similar

[54:05] structure as we're seeing on the Hemingway site.

[54:08] And that's based on the scale of the Bethany site.

[54:12] Is that correct? So for example, we don't see option AR one

[54:17] sketched out on the hem on the Bethany Pro

[54:19] project for that purpose.

[54:20] Right?

[54:22] Well anything that's labeled AR is a specific building

[54:27] that is tied to the keeping

[54:30] of a like renovating that building, right?

[54:32] So you wouldn't have anything in the AR categories would not

[54:37] exist in that form or shape or anything on Bethany

[54:40] because you don't have an existing building

[54:43] to renovate or add to.

[54:45] But I'm thinking of like a similar footprint

[54:48] and it would be probably site dependent for that adjustment

[54:51] to be made to put a similar footprint on Bethany.

[54:56] Okay. Like A courtyard organization, would

[54:59] that be a better way to describe it?

[55:01] I think so. Okay. And

[55:04] The three, so okay, that was just,

[55:06] that answers my, that part of my question.

[55:08] And then the second thing I just wanted to note is

[55:11] regarding the additional meeting in bold,

[55:14] I think I would lean toward having an additional meeting

[55:18] just to be able to work out some of these

[55:20] and get some more questions

[55:21] and I think Brittany made a good point also about having the

[55:23] bullet points and then to re's point

[55:26] of like the actual like zoom out of like where,

[55:29] where are people coming from, where are the parking

[55:30] and the dropoffs situation's going to be positioned.

[55:35] So that's all. Thanks.

[55:38] Thank you Mr. Chair.

[55:40] Building on some of the prior comments, when you are able

[55:42] to hopefully add some bullet points

[55:44] or descriptions for each item,

[55:46] whether it's directly on the slides or

[55:47] or both with the corresponding document.

[55:50] I think adding the favorable outcomes for

[55:51] what each design gets us when it comes to all

[55:54] of the different goals that the district has

[55:56] and the city has with this project.

[55:58] That's one piece. I also like what Mr.

[56:01] Wildland said about kind of multiple options.

[56:04] I, if I was my choice, I would keep your two school option

[56:08] as well as a Hemingway pre-K K or pre-K two

[56:12] and see how that changes in shifts if

[56:14] that's not too much workload.

[56:17] And the reason I say that is if there's any hope

[56:19] of getting MSBA funding for that, I believe we do,

[56:22] we do owe it to do that review as well

[56:25] as the mayor's executive order creating this committee did

[56:27] put that in our scope both for pre-K expansion, wherever

[56:31] that may be across the entire city.

[56:32] So it is something that I think should be considered.

[56:36] And then whether or not we have another meeting I I lean,

[56:39] I lean towards yes.

[56:40] But I'm also curious if someone could help me understand a

[56:43] little bit more about when the pricing will come in, how,

[56:46] how that works and,

[56:48] and remember some of the, the pricing challenges of,

[56:51] of a prior project just from, you know, changes over years

[56:54] and escalation and just wanna make sure

[56:55] that there's a great deal

[56:57] of thought in the appropriate disclaimers

[56:58] before any of those prices come out.

[57:01] Thank you.

[57:04] Yeah, so we would get pricing back in early July

[57:09] and in early July we would

[57:14] tap a, and Vertex would go through a process

[57:16] where we add in the,

[57:18] the estimates themselves actually come back

[57:20] with escalation on them and then Vertex

[57:24] and Tap A will have a conversation around the soft cost

[57:27] and additional contingencies that we think should be added.

[57:31] For example, the soft cost

[57:34] for an addition renovation on Hemingway are gonna be higher

[57:36] than a new building on Bethany

[57:39] because you don't have some of the additional adders like

[57:44] phasing, temporary school,

[57:46] temporary conditions, stuff like that.

[57:48] And so the soft costs are gonna be different

[57:50] for the two sites and the two each option too.

[57:54] And so we'll go through a process of giving you all of that,

[57:58] showing you very clearly

[58:00] how it's generated and how it works.

[58:02] And, and then I think that

[58:06] as we get further down the, the road you'll have,

[58:09] you'll start to get all the clarity that comes with this.

[58:13] And, and I just wanna put a reminder out there that,

[58:17] you know, you don't, you're not

[58:20] selecting the option at the end of PDP.

[58:22] And so really your job at this point, you can take

[58:25] as many options as you want into PSR

[58:27] although it's, it's probably advisable to call some

[58:31] of them out if you can like the big, the big ones that

[58:35] are gonna survive or don't have merit,

[58:37] we can take those off the table

[58:39] and spend our energy going through other options in the PSR

[58:43] that are more in line with district goals and milestones

[58:47] or not milestones objectives.

[58:49] And so I think that the PSR is when you really,

[58:53] really get down to like business on like really

[58:56] understanding them.

[58:57] PDP is kind of more, we're throwing a bunch

[59:01] of stuff out there and we're doing it fairly quickly

[59:04] and getting order magnitude numbers related to them.

[59:08] And so that's really the process that we're in right now

[59:10] and what's gonna happen over the next

[59:13] two months, really June and July. So yeah,

[59:15] I, I can clarify those two points a little bit more,

[59:18] Chris, in terms of the pricing.

[59:20] Pricing at PDP is about looking at your typical MSBA school

[59:25] and trying to apply the same metric to

[59:28] how the different options appear on the page.

[59:31] So it's about figuring out if we do this, is this one going

[59:36] to be more costly than the next?

[59:38] It's not necessarily dialing into the specific

[59:42] detailed cost analysis that you'll get at PSR,

[59:45] it's really about if the average

[59:48] Massachusetts school is somewhere between 950

[59:51] to a thousand dollars a square foot

[59:53] and that's not a, I'm just pulling that outta the air,

[59:58] the fact that this one has more foundation

[1:00:01] or this one has more floors or this one has more fields

[1:00:05] or this one has more parking, how does

[1:00:08] that create relative cost differences from scheme to scheme

[1:00:11] to scheme so that you can look at that

[1:00:13] and say, well these ones are more costly.

[1:00:16] Do the other elements of those schemes warrant

[1:00:19] that continuing despite the fact

[1:00:21] that we think they're more costly versus these are the

[1:00:24] cheapest schemes but they don't check all the

[1:00:28] boxes for the other reasons.

[1:00:30] And so it's about making that assessment also to the point

[1:00:33] of the, the sort of pre-K k.

[1:00:37] One of the things that tap A

[1:00:38] and Vertex have discussed is that some of the other work

[1:00:42] that's being done with demography

[1:00:44] with the existing school study is to establish an approach

[1:00:49] to pre-K that is not yet fully developed.

[1:00:52] And that's why it doesn't appear in a lot

[1:00:54] of the, the schemes.

[1:00:56] All of these schemes could have a certain degree

[1:00:58] of pre-K added to them.

[1:01:00] So one of the things that TAP A is working

[1:01:02] to better understand is the right way to make some

[1:01:05] of those assessments about pre-K

[1:01:07] and that ties into an item

[1:01:08] that we didn't include in tonight's presentation,

[1:01:10] which is the MSBA space summary.

[1:01:13] That's really a product that comes out of

[1:01:17] the educational plan

[1:01:18] that's gonna be voted on at school committee on Wednesday.

[1:01:22] And so we really wanna understand once that's confirmed

[1:01:26] by school committee the details of that space summary,

[1:01:29] which gets into the details of the size of your school

[1:01:33] and also how much pre-K we choose to put in,

[1:01:36] is there enough space vacated at other schools

[1:01:38] that can fit into some of that pre-K so

[1:01:41] that we can advance that conversation.

[1:01:42] But Chris is right, all of these discussions, at the end

[1:01:46] of the day, it's about choosing

[1:01:47] how many options we really want develop to a high level.

[1:01:52] And when we get to the discussion of those options,

[1:01:55] that's when we're really gonna be looking at the different

[1:01:57] options in comparison to each other in terms

[1:02:00] of do we really want new construction, do we want

[1:02:02] to consider an ad reno

[1:02:04] and where do we wanna cite the school?

[1:02:06] Those are really questions

[1:02:07] for the next year when we're gonna have much more detailed

[1:02:11] pricing, much more detailed analysis

[1:02:13] and much more time to work through all those details.

[1:02:16] Thank you. One quick follow up Mr.

[1:02:17] Chair, if I may, just on the pricing. Yes, thank you both.

[1:02:21] That was a very helpful answer.

[1:02:22] And so the way I'm thinking for the next meeting

[1:02:24] or two is, is more of a, it'd be helpful

[1:02:27] to know like the ranking of, of expense from, you know, low

[1:02:30] to high, high to low based on all,

[1:02:32] all this without maybe having the exact numbers if,

[1:02:35] 'cause it's, I think it's so early in

[1:02:37] that I'm also wondering, this is my LA my last point.

[1:02:40] When do you give us the, what is eligible for MSBA

[1:02:44] reimbursement and what is ineligible breakdown?

[1:02:46] Is that part of this next month

[1:02:48] or is that something that would be in, you know,

[1:02:50] months away in the, in the future post PDP?

[1:02:52] Thank you.

[1:02:55] From a cost perspective, I would say

[1:02:57] that it's probably gonna be the 13th.

[1:02:59] By the time we get to the, some of those rankings,

[1:03:01] there's a lot of little details.

[1:03:03] That's, that's why I always say

[1:03:05] that PDP is about establishing relationships

[1:03:07] and figuring out what you wanna put in your building

[1:03:10] because at the end of the day, if you have 12

[1:03:12] different schemes, you have 12 different ways to look at it,

[1:03:16] you'll get 12 different costs

[1:03:17] and you might decide that three of them move forward.

[1:03:20] And so cost really isn't the sole driver in all of this.

[1:03:24] And in terms of determining eligibility,

[1:03:27] there's an initial pass

[1:03:29] that occurs once the space summary is developed

[1:03:31] and submitted to the MSBA.

[1:03:33] So after we get past the that PDP milestone,

[1:03:37] we'll get the first comments about what is eligible

[1:03:39] and ineligible from the MSS BA And

[1:03:42] that really takes more shape in the PS R phase

[1:03:45] as we analyze the Ms B's comments, as the space summary

[1:03:49] as it develops related

[1:03:50] to the building itself becomes clearer.

[1:03:54] And as we understand in better terms

[1:03:58] the pre-K option that moves forward,

[1:04:00] that's gonna factor into what's eligible

[1:04:02] and ineligible as well.

[1:04:04] So it really becomes a PSR discussion.

[1:04:06] Thank you. So right now the decision really comes down

[1:04:10] to whether we wanna schedule a meeting in two

[1:04:12] weeks or four weeks.

[1:04:15] And I guess Chris

[1:04:17] or Chris do either you guys have a strong preference on that

[1:04:19] or a suggestion on that?

[1:04:25] Umm, more time is more detail on on. So why don't, that's,

[1:04:30] Why don't we do this?

[1:04:31] Why don't we plan for the 29th

[1:04:33] and if something comes up that we,

[1:04:34] you feel would be particularly helpful

[1:04:36] to have a full meeting we can put on the 15th.

[1:04:39] Does that make sense to people

[1:04:40] or what I, we could also,

[1:04:45] I just don't wanna come back to that meeting without

[1:04:46] a whole lot of new information.

[1:04:49] We can also, I just, you know,

[1:04:53] spitballing ideas is we can work

[1:04:55] and start to add layers of information

[1:04:57] and then when the 15th comes we can send an an update packet

[1:05:01] that isn't up for discussion,

[1:05:02] but just updates the committee on where we are on the 15th

[1:05:05] and then we come to the 29th with more information than that

[1:05:09] and we discuss it all so that you kind of see

[1:05:11] where we're at on the 15th and then the 29th we meet

[1:05:13] and have all the discussions we need to have. So

[1:05:17] Yeah, I think that might make some sense. Mr. Wildland.

[1:05:21] Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think that might make sense.

[1:05:24] I, my concern is not so much about meeting,

[1:05:28] but about being sort of unplugged from the work

[1:05:32] that's going on for the next month and then coming back

[1:05:35] and having the next opportunity for feedback be in a month.

[1:05:39] You know, I think we've talked about a couple things

[1:05:42] that the committee would like to see in terms of

[1:05:46] larger visualizations of the floor plates

[1:05:48] and some, some, some pros and cons

[1:05:52] and like, I don't wanna wait until the 29th

[1:05:55] to get that information.

[1:05:57] So if we can commit to having just sort of an updated

[1:06:02] asynchronous packet for the 15th, I'd also like

[1:06:05] to see the outcome of the mentee

[1:06:07] meter stuff that we just did.

[1:06:08] You know, I I, I don't want the next readout

[1:06:11] to be a month from now, I guess is what I'm saying.

[1:06:14] And I'm fine not having a meeting so long as we continue to

[1:06:19] be plugged into the work that's going on.

[1:06:23] Alright. So why don't we go with that plan

[1:06:25] unless any, as I said a moment ago, unless anyone objects

[1:06:28] and feels strongly otherwise.

[1:06:32] Okay. And that's okay with you Chris? Yeah,

[1:06:36] It's whatever the committee would like to do.

[1:06:39] We wanna make sure that you all feel

[1:06:40] that you have the relevant information

[1:06:42] you need to make a decision.

[1:06:44] Let's try that and see, and see how we do. Okay.

[1:06:48] Unless there's anything else on that.

[1:06:51] On The next item is a community outreach

[1:06:53] subcommittee status.

[1:06:55] I haven't really got received any feedback from any band

[1:06:57] app, so Scott, if you're still here you are

[1:07:02] if you wanna say anything else about it.

[1:07:04] But otherwise I would just ask you maybe would like

[1:07:06] to serve on the community outreach subcommittee, let me know

[1:07:09] and I'll put one together.

[1:07:13] Yeah. Only 'cause you asked for my thoughts, Mr. Chair.

[1:07:18] I, my understanding coming out of the last meeting,

[1:07:22] and I may have misunderstood, I thought

[1:07:23] that you were gonna send something

[1:07:25] to the committee calling for volunteers.

[1:07:28] I know of several folks who would like

[1:07:31] to serve, myself included.

[1:07:34] I'm actually concerned that we may have more people

[1:07:37] who are interested than you.

[1:07:39] 'cause we had said three to four people on the committee.

[1:07:42] So I just wanna share with the other members if I could,

[1:07:45] that if we end up having more people

[1:07:49] than we can put on the subcommittee,

[1:07:52] that's not a bad problem.

[1:07:54] At the end of the day, every single one

[1:07:56] of us is gonna be engaged in outreach.

[1:07:58] To some extent. I think the primary goal

[1:08:01] of the subcommittee is working with Vertex and Tappe

[1:08:04] and the district on communication strategy,

[1:08:07] not necessarily the execution.

[1:08:09] I think we're all gonna be involved in the execution.

[1:08:12] So I guess what I'm hearing based upon your comment, Mr.

[1:08:15] Chair, is that individuals should,

[1:08:18] should let you know if they are interested in serving

[1:08:21] on the subcommittee and then you'll take it from there.

[1:08:24] Yes. That's the best way to, yep. Jess. Okay.

[1:08:28] Yeah. Thank you Mr. Chair.

[1:08:29] So I reached out about two weeks ago asking,

[1:08:31] and I never heard back if you had any plans to,

[1:08:34] if I had missed a communication

[1:08:36] or if you were planning on this.

[1:08:37] So can you just walk us through the next steps you want us

[1:08:40] to email you or are you taking volunteers now

[1:08:42] or what are the next steps? Well,

[1:08:44] Well I guess I'll, yeah, I may be

[1:08:47] some must have got missed somewhere here.

[1:08:48] So I will have somebody send out,

[1:08:52] I will send out or someone send out.

[1:08:55] Can someone from Vertex just send out an email tomorrow

[1:08:57] to asking and then having anybody who would like,

[1:09:01] that way anybody who's not here is also covered.

[1:09:03] And have anybody respond to me by, say,

[1:09:06] Friday if they wanted be involved on the subcommittee.

[1:09:09] So my question was if you could just

[1:09:10] walk us through the next steps.

[1:09:12] So it's gonna be, vertex is gonna send out an email

[1:09:14] and then within the end of the week you're going to,

[1:09:17] And we'll see what we few we have

[1:09:20] and then we'll figure it out from there.

[1:09:22] Thank you Mr. Chair for recognizing me.

[1:09:25] No, thank you for asking. All right.

[1:09:29] If there's nothing else, I would take a motion to adjourn.

[1:09:37] So move, move. Second. Moved by Mr. Seconded. By Mr.

[1:09:41] Do. Okay. So I vote myself? Yes. Adam? Yes.

[1:09:46] Print Yes. Brittany? Yes. Jessica?

[1:09:51] Yes. David? Yes. Rachel? Yes.

[1:09:56] Sheria? Yes. Scott? Yes.

[1:10:00] And did I miss anybody?

[1:10:02] Yep. Me. Okay. Just

[1:10:05] Through Alexander? Yes. Okay.

[1:10:06] Okay. No. Yes. I Mateo, you still with us?

[1:10:11] Yes and yes. Okay, great. Thanks everybody.

[1:10:15] And so we're all done for tonight. Thank you very much.

[1:10:20] Thank you. Excellent. Thank you.

[1:10:22] Thank you.

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