[0:00] order the regular meeting of the historic district commission uh for

[0:04] September 2nd uh 2026. Um can I have your names for roll call please?

[0:11] Starting with Mr. Vinickum Finnick here.

[0:16] » Angie Nagel >> Alec Kokoska

[0:18] » Laura Witty >> Alexen

[0:21] » Jennifer Cook Rian thank you. Uh so the next item tonight

[0:27] is the adoption of the agenda. Uh does anyone have comments about that?

[0:33] » We're going to I guess proposal will modify A to C and then the slide B and C

[0:39] up. So move the uh front under new business.

[0:44] » Okay. Uh anyone have a motion? >> I'll motion. I think

[0:48] uh moving talk about A as the last of new business. We'll talk about AT&T.

[0:54] We'll talk about 32310. And then talk about the facade

[0:58] » in reverse order. >> Uh

[1:01] » just going BCA >> BCA.

[1:05] » Okay. Uh so I'll make a motion that we approve a modified agenda for Wednesday,

[1:11] September 2nd, 2026. Uh with new business going in BCA order. Um, uh,

[1:18] AT&T 32310 and then then 32716. >> Okay. Is there a is there a second?

[1:26] » I'll second that. >> All in favor?

[1:28] » I >> I

[1:30] » Okay. Motion passes. Uh, all right. Let's look at the the minutes from the

[1:35] last meeting. And I spotted a typo in there. Um but those of you who had

[1:43] motions, can you um

[1:48] tell me if you um have any objection to uh the minutes?

[2:01] » All right. So I on page three um I noted that for the Wing Lake

[2:09] property property that we um considered the demolition permit for on the second

[2:15] bullet point it says it was noted that the current home was built in 1954 and

[2:19] that it does contribute to the character of the village which I believe uh is a

[2:23] typo should say does not contribute to the character of the village

[2:29] » and that was your motion. So, um,

[2:35] and Angie support >> I think it's the other one.

[2:37] » Do you want me to go ahead and motion the minutes?

[2:39] » Yeah. Um, I'm going to go ahead and motion the minutes uh as presented

[2:45] Wednesday, August 5th, 2026 with the um correction of Wing Lake Road uh

[2:54] stated by Witty that the 1954 does not contribute to the character of the

[3:00] village. >> Second your motion.

[3:03] » All in favor? >> I I Great motion motion passes.

[3:09] All right. Now we move on to

[3:14] public comments. Is there anyone here who wants to

[3:18] address the HTC for any reason who isn't already on agenda tonight?

[3:26] » Did you say to address the >> No. Any public public comments? Yeah.

[3:32] Who who aren't otherwise on the agenda?

[3:36] » All right. Um hearing hearing no public comments or requests for public comment

[3:41] uh we will move on to new business tonight. So uh given the earlier motion

[3:48] we are going to move forward with the AT&T proposal to install a replacement

[3:53] pole and install small cell [clears throat]

[3:55] wireless facilities at the AT&T site 16687859.

[4:01] Is the applicant here? Please step up to the podium.

[4:08] Good evening everybody. Wally Haley from the Haley Law Firm representing AT&T

[4:12] tonight. Uh >> thank you.

[4:14] » I go into a big speech, but you've got guys have been down this road before

[4:18] with the uh the antennas in the historic district on the on the utility polls. Uh

[4:22] fairly simple. Uh McKenna recommends its approval. Uh and so I'd rather answer

[4:29] any questions you folks may have specific this. Uh other than that, I I

[4:34] won't waste your time. you can get on to B and C and thank you for moving us up

[4:37] to A. >> Sure. Um, so I just I have one question

[4:40] then maybe a comment. Um, on the paperwork it indicates that uh it

[4:45] appears that the color brown has been chosen for the the shrouding material

[4:50] and the antenna and and that stuff. Um, and I was just speaking with um Mr. Den

[4:56] about the color of the pole, which I think is a treated [clears throat] is

[4:59] that a treated lumber of some kind? >> Treated wood. Yeah. Um it's currently a

[5:04] greenish color, but he advises it will turn to a grayish color over time

[5:10] and >> tish grayish. Yeah.

[5:12] » Topish grayish. >> So with

[5:16] bearing in mind that we like I guess mechanical, electrical, etc. Um

[5:22] um infrastructure to remain as unobtrusive as possible, especially in

[5:26] the historic district. Is it possible to have a color on that pole that would

[5:32] blend better with the pole or not be as obtrusive as a dark brown on a gray

[5:38] pole? >> Um,

[5:40] » it's a standard gray is a standard color. I noted from your materials.

[5:44] » Yeah, I'm I'm going to say yes. Um, with the caveat that that um it's brown

[5:51] across the street and then there's a gray over here. So

[5:55] » Oh, I see. Okay. Uh but you know I let me put it this way. If you condition

[6:00] upon that I will I will take that condition back and I don't see a problem

[6:04] this route being made gray. >> Worst worst case they painted it.

[6:08] » Okay. Um so we have a brown and and a gray. Is

[6:12] that what you're saying? And I didn't I confess I did not look at all the polls

[6:16] » there. There's a lot of them. I Yeah, they [clears throat]

[6:19] actually run various shades of depending on the age, you know, the shrouds and

[6:24] things. It's it's they're they're various. Let's leave it at that. Um but

[6:29] um the I I will say this about some of the aging of the poles. You drive down

[6:36] Franklin, some of the poles look brown, some of the poles age to gray. Some of

[6:41] the poles the treated wood, you know, like like Bill said, it looks more gray.

[6:46] » So six of one halfus is another. I don't

[6:49] think given the location where it's at, you know, next to the cemetery on an

[6:55] existing pole, it's it's going to matter that much. I think the easy thing answer

[7:00] is to leave it brown as they propose. >> Okay.

[7:02] » Because I don't think it's really going to matter in the scheme of things along

[7:06] along Franklin. >> So, the gray one you're talking about is

[7:09] right at the corner of Wellington and Franklin Road. Is that the one you're

[7:13] referencing or is there a different one? >> Um, I think it's the gray the gray one's

[7:16] literally right as you come out of the driveway here, isn't it? I think

[7:18] » I was just looking on Sorry, I just looking online.

[7:21] » We could walk. No, we could walk outside and look, but

[7:23] » No, we got enough stuff going on, I think.

[7:25] » Yeah, >> just want to at least understand your

[7:27] reference. >> Okay. Does anyone have anyone else have

[7:31] comments about proposed color >> or preference for brown or or gray

[7:39] » being like a utility? And and it's I don't even want to call that an

[7:43] architectural element. I I don't feel like that that color call out is even

[7:48] part of any of of that business. Um they get poles and they put poles in the

[7:54] ground and I think that's where I I don't think we have like an option to

[7:58] put decorative requests on it. >> Sure.

[8:02] » Sure. >> But that's all that's my opinion.

[8:04] » Okay. >> Is there is this a choice of color for

[8:06] the equipment or the pole? >> Equipment.

[8:09] » Okay. So within the materials there's um it shows different options for color for

[8:17] the shrouding of the the equipment that goes on the pole. It's not the pole

[8:22] itself. >> The uh

[8:25] » the choices are gray, brown or white.

[8:29] » In the village we are we gray >> there. He says there's both.

[8:35] » There's believe there's both on Franklin. Yeah. driving with Google

[8:39] Maps. I would agree. >> You know, it's it's either way it's not

[8:43] going to be that big of a deal. If if if the commission's preferences to go gray

[8:50] condition upon changing the color to gray on the plans

[8:53] » and if if there's some reason that you physically can't do that, I'll see you

[8:58] next month. I I

[9:02] » I see. >> It's it's your preference.

[9:05] » So, it's a it is a choice. >> It's a choice. So, I just wanted to make

[9:09] sure everyone here was aware of that. And um but if we have both colors in the

[9:14] village, then you know I >> I guess they're both okay.

[9:19] » The the the site plan submitted show a brown truck.

[9:24] If you want to change that, I don't think that is a big deal. But I

[9:32] do believe that there are both on in the in the village.

[9:39] » [clears throat] >> I didn't

[9:42] have any concerns.

[9:47] » All right. Any further comment? >> There's no color picture here.

[9:51] » Yeah. >> No, it's just Well,

[9:56] » oh, no. It's a drawing. It just And in the uh in the small print next to it

[10:00] says brown shroud. Yeah, >> I mean the color is it's this little

[10:04] tune, right? I don't even know what this is,

[10:08] but I believe the gray

[10:13] uh disappears into the background with sky and everything else.

[10:17] » Okay. >> More greatly than brown.

[10:23] » You're going to match I assume you're going to match the antenna to the

[10:26] shroud. >> Yeah. All the the equipment would just

[10:29] be >> just gray. Yeah, I mean that would be my

[10:32] that would be my recommendation.

[10:38] » Anyone else? >> No, I agree. I think that's a good

[10:41] thing. >> Yeah, I think gray makes sense.

[10:42] » Makes sense with this guy. >> Seems consistent.

[10:45] » Yeah. >> All right. Do we have a motion on gray

[10:48] or on approval with with gray if if possible? I'll make a uh a motion to

[10:55] approve the uh AT&T proposal. Install install a replacement pole and install

[11:00] small small cell wireless facilities at AT&T site 16687859

[11:06] with the application as received. Is this right? April 28th, 2026. Maybe it

[11:11] was August. um with a uh a notation that the preference if possible would be to

[11:20] make the shroud um gray to and the other um metal boxes gray to to tie in with

[11:28] the color of the pole. >> Okay. Is there a second on that?

[11:31] » I'll second. >> Okay. All in favor? I

[11:34] » I >> All right. Thank you. Thank you very

[11:37] much. >> Have a great one. Thanks. You too. Two.

[11:49] Okay, let's get our papers in order.

[11:53] » All right. Uh, next on the agenda is new business at 32310

[12:01] Franklin Road, siding replacement. The applicants here.

[12:06] » All right. >> Hi.

[12:07] » Hi. >> You live across the street, a little red

[12:09] schoolhouse. >> Yeah.

[12:10] » Okay. Um, what's your name? >> Alexis Middle.

[12:13] » Alexis Middle. Okay. >> Um, and the it's wood at the moment, but

[12:19] it's seriously deteriorated. Um, so we wanted to replace it with hardy siding.

[12:24] I think we included um a photo of, you know, what it could look like. Joe here

[12:30] can show you some other images and explain the benefits of hardy siding as

[12:35] opposed to wood if you find that helpful.

[12:38] Uh, that's Joe. >> That's Joe.

[12:41] » Uh, Joe, come on up. >> I'm with Shane Roing.

[12:45] » Sorry, this is not working properly, but where should I start off as far as the

[12:49] pictures? >> Um,

[12:51] » we all have that. >> We got it. So, it looks very similar to

[12:54] what you guys have. So, the difference is this is the Hardy. It's just

[13:00] different images all around the house. So, as far as the color with the James

[13:04] Hardy, any of you guys familiar with James

[13:07] Hardy concrete fiber board that looks like wood. We've done it multiple times

[13:12] in historic areas. This is the red that we're looking at and it's got grain

[13:17] texture as well. >> Okay.

[13:22] » And we're going to keep the um details in the windows and the gutter shapes.

[13:28] Um, >> that's our builder's license there.

[13:32] » Some documentation about Hardy for Hardy preferred as well and then what we're

[13:37] doing for the project.

[13:41] » Okay. So, I I have a a couple of questions just um

[13:46] what is the width of the boards on your home right now?

[13:50] » They're a little bit more narrower. If you look at this photo,

[13:56] » they're narrower, but >> I don't think that that was an option.

[14:02] » So, with the James Hardy, the reveal will be seven seven in

[14:06] » seven in. >> Do you know what it is?

[14:09] » It's it's close to the what we're doing with the party.

[14:12] » Close to seven. >> Very close to the seven inches. Yep.

[14:16] » Yeah. It's just this photo. It looks a lot different from this photo from in

[14:20] terms of width. Why the question's coming up.

[14:22] » Yep.

[14:25] Um, and so you did you look at like price I

[14:30] I know that Hardy board is um for longevity purposes probably and

[14:37] maintenance purposes uh probably superior to wood in general. Um but did

[14:43] you look at I mean is all the wood on your house if you want to take a look it

[14:48] is abs >> it is deteriorated. deteriorated and

[14:51] it's full of holes and there's 17 layers of paint on it. It's in really bad

[14:55] condition.

[14:58] » Was there a prior approval about a year ago for color?

[15:01] » I was going to do it a different color, paint it gray and white. That was me. Um

[15:04] and then um obviously I didn't I couldn't get anyone to paint it. I could

[15:08] not get any painter to commit to painting it. And then um I decided

[15:12] siding was multiple people had told me that siding was the better option. And

[15:16] then with AI images, I decided I like the red the best. Um, it keeps the

[15:22] historic feel of the old schoolhouse. Um, and I thought you guys would like

[15:26] that better if we went red instead of switching it to gray and white.

[15:30] » Yeah. I think part of my concern was the red on there is a very different color

[15:33] from what's on there now, but the gray on there is closer to what you had

[15:37] approved a year ago. >> The red on here is different, but that's

[15:43] the red that we could find. It's still called Country Red. I think it still

[15:46] fits in with the theme of an old schoolhouse.

[15:52] Um, okay. So, I'm I'm just looking on your proposed your proposal page. Um,

[15:59] you you've said that you want to preserve all the existing architectural

[16:04] um details >> details including the trim,

[16:07] cornerboards. It says other car other character defining elements. It says

[16:11] will be preserved wherever possible. Well, that

[16:14] » so that to me is a concerning statement. >> That was someone else,

[16:18] » not Joe. Joe can who helped me write that? I was talking to a different um

[16:24] contractor. Um he's much more confident that they can preserve everything. Is

[16:28] that right? >> Absolutely.

[16:30] » Okay. And are the original elements going to be preserved or you are you

[16:36] planning on replacing? >> They're rotten. Like if you if you look

[16:40] at the window trim, it's rotten. It needs to be redone, but it will look

[16:43] identical. >> Okay. So, you've been able to source

[16:47] wood elements for that or >> So, what she's going to do is she's

[16:50] going to keep the original windows in the house. So, we're not touching any of

[16:53] the windows. That's all staying as it is. Staying with the muttons with the

[16:57] exterior muttons. So, it's still keeping that traditional look. The only uh doors

[17:01] that we're changing, the front door, the back door, and the garage door, side

[17:05] door, we're changing because they're rotted. The frame is completely exposed.

[17:10] And uh also for the siding of the house, we are changing not only the siding, but

[17:16] there's areas that have no sheathing underneath.

[17:19] » Okay. >> Um and completely exposed right now. So

[17:21] she's getting uh >> rodents

[17:24] » rodents and so forth going in. >> So it's completely exposed.

[17:28] » Okay. So the the scope of what you just described is a little bit broader than

[17:31] what's in front of us today in terms of doors.

[17:34] » Again, I don't know what's in front of you. I I didn't write any of that.

[17:37] » Sure. So what we have in front of us today is just the siding is is just the

[17:41] siding. >> Yeah.

[17:43] » And so I would consider trim work to be a separate issue.

[17:49] Especially Especially if you're not sure what's going to be replaced yet.

[17:55] » It's all going to be replaced. All of the trim is going to be replaced.

[17:58] » It's all rotten. It just is. >> Is it going to be white?

[18:03] » Yes. >> Okay. And have you identified

[18:09] equal replacement pieces if you want to, you know, because I know sometimes older

[18:14] elements don't come in those sizes anymore or that that width or those

[18:18] » I think they have to, >> you know, so you can get everything in

[18:21] every size. >> You can get everything in every size and

[18:24] whatever you replace, which sounds like everything will be identical to what's

[18:29] there right now. minus that I can't guarantee the siding profile, the reveal

[18:34] on the siding, >> which you were asking about earlier. I

[18:37] don't want to put my foot in my mouth, so I don't know the exact reveal. I'm

[18:41] telling you what what we can do with the Hardy, and that is a 7in reveal that is

[18:45] exposed with the grain texture. They also have

[18:48] the smooth texture, but obviously to kind of keep the integrity of the look

[18:52] of the house, I think the grain one looks nicer.

[18:56] » Okay. Um,

[19:00] so and then obviously the doors we don't have examples in front of us. So we we

[19:05] » put the doors that I could do that as a separate proposal if you want and said

[19:09] » it would have to be. >> That's fine. I when I submitted

[19:11] [clears throat] this I wasn't thinking about the doors. I just discussed it

[19:14] with him on Monday. Um so I could submit doors separately

[19:18] » and windows. >> Right. Well, I've asked a lot of

[19:20] questions. Um Mr. Finom, do you want to >> ask some questions? Um,

[19:25] » yeah. I guess >> since you're the architect.

[19:27] » Well, >> I don't think so.

[19:29] » First of all, I know that Hardy blank comes in 4 in exposure. You represent

[19:35] that it's [clears throat] 7 in as standard. It comes in 4 in which would

[19:39] be in by my eye a lot closer to what's existing than what you have.

[19:45] » More expensive. >> So again, they do have different reveals

[19:48] of thickness or the width they can do. But I can run across the street and take

[19:53] a quick measure if you want to know the exact measurement of the reveal.

[19:57] » Well, I'd like to know that and I'd like to know um then that you can get close

[20:03] to it with 4 inch exposure because I know Hardy blank comes that way. I have

[20:09] another question and that is the texture. I'm wondering why you've chosen

[20:14] the rough uh wood grain texture with the simulates

[20:21] siding that is checked, split, um weathered and needs repainting when

[20:30] you want it to look rejuvenated and originally that siding was smooth.

[20:37] Oh, well, I thought I don't I mean, I thought you wanted it to I thought that

[20:42] historically speaking, you would want it to look like wood.

[20:45] » Well, I'm not sure that I would want to see it weathered and checked and split.

[20:50] » Well, no, it's not going to look I guess I don't understand.

[20:52] » To me, that's >> that's how that heavy texture on the

[20:57] Hardy blank looks. That's just my opinion.

[21:01] » Is there another texture? So there's a smooth

[21:04] » smooth >> there's smooth and but this texture that

[21:06] you're seeing here is to make it look like real wood

[21:09] » with the grain. >> It looks

[21:11] » again everyone's you know everyone sees it differently.

[21:13] » So explain I don't understand what you're saying. I'm curious though. So

[21:17] what are you saying? You're saying that >> this texture you don't think is as nice

[21:20] as the >> I think if you're trying to rejuvenate

[21:22] it, you would want to rejuvenate it >> with a smooth

[21:26] and newer and fresher to re renew it to what it was when it was original. Okay.

[21:32] I thought would have wanted >> not looked like it is now when it's

[21:36] rotten. That's just >> so is the other.

[21:40] » Do you guys kind of understand what he's saying?

[21:42] » No, I understand exactly what he's saying. And I would make a point that

[21:45] one of the one of the things that we are not allowed to do as a historic district

[21:49] commission is to make things look historic. I mean to replace with things

[21:53] that create a false sense of history. We're not supposed We're I mean those

[21:57] are one of that's one of our guidelines is to not approve materials that are

[22:02] like simulated old if that makes sense to you.

[22:06] » Yeah. So and that's I don't remember what guideline that is but it is one of

[22:10] it is one of the guidelines. >> It is called that.

[22:12] » So you're saying you would you would well at least you would prefer

[22:16] » it's number three. >> Number three. Okay.

[22:18] » Am I correct in understanding that? Yes. >> Changes that uh create a false sense of

[22:22] historic development. >> Okay. Number three kind of

[22:27] » you have to do smooth texture as well. >> It's the same material.

[22:30] » Same exact material. >> You install it ex with the rough side

[22:33] out or the smooth side up. >> Okay.

[22:35] » Do you have a sample or >> I don't have a sample of the smooth, but

[22:38] we can definitely do it either way. There's no cost difference for us or the

[22:42] homeowner. >> That's so if you guys prefer smooth, I'm

[22:45] happy to do smooth. I went with the wood because I thought that's what you would

[22:49] prefer. It's kind of re even difficult to tell what's there right now in the

[22:53] house because there are >> many layers of uh paint.

[22:58] » I'm sure even uh layers of lead paint into it over the years. Uh

[23:02] » yeah, >> sure. That's

[23:04] » and it's peeled, repainted, peeled, repainted, and it hasn't been sanded

[23:08] down. So, it's kind of even difficult to tell what the texture is in the first

[23:11] place. But yeah, we we can do it either way. Not a problem.

[23:16] So, do you have any uh comments on the the trimmings on the house?

[23:21] » Well, I think your question was good. It's in terms of finding the right

[23:27] sizes. Not just the size, but the thickness

[23:30] » also. Um, >> so they do make the same trim, by the

[23:34] way, with the grain or the smooth. So, if you're going to go smooth on the

[23:37] siding, they make the trim to match it to complement the smooth texture. So, we

[23:41] can do that, too. >> Well, you said that the trim was going

[23:44] to be wood. No, it's still all the siding material

[23:48] of the Hardy everywhere that we're doing.

[23:50] » The trim is also going to be Hardy, >> correct?

[23:54] » Hardy has to lay against Hardy. Hardy can't lay against wood or you lose the

[23:58] warranty. >> Who said that?

[24:01] » A Hardy salesperson. [clears throat] >> I don't know. Is that not right?

[24:05] » I didn't [laughter] say that. I didn't say that.

[24:08] » But normally when I'm doing hardy, I do >> a hearty salesperson.

[24:12] » Yeah. When I do Hardy, I do Hardy [clears throat] trim. So,

[24:15] » but it's not true. Um, what are the thicknesses of the Hardy

[24:20] Trim? >> There's again different thicknesses in

[24:22] the width and also the thickness of protruding outward as well. So, if we're

[24:27] trying to match it 100%. We're going to try to match it 100% to what they make

[24:33] and what's there currently. >> So, I think we're trying to match it

[24:35] 100%. >> Yeah, we're 2026. So if it's if it's

[24:41] five quarter then it should be five and a quarter. You know the siding shouldn't

[24:48] protrude beyond the the trim. Whereas sometimes when the trim gets too skinny

[24:54] the siding protrudes. >> Understandable.

[24:56] » So the the trim needs to be whatever it is now

[25:01] in order to avoid that. Okay. Okay. >> What about the detail of the trim over

[25:08] the windows? Can you duplicate that?

[25:11] » So again, that's what we're going to definitely try to do all the way around

[25:15] on all the windows >> with the same profile.

[25:21] » So I I mean I have concern that when you say try, you know, it's hard for us to

[25:25] approve try as opposed to we are going to

[25:28] » if you understand where we're coming from on that.

[25:31] » Madam Chair. >> Yes. As a point of interest, I wonder if

[25:35] we shouldn't just require them to bring back the trim in the doors with samples

[25:40] to show us what it is they want to do. >> I think that would be most appropriate

[25:44] to assure that we're getting what we believe we are getting.

[25:48] » That you can get that. But I will tell you if it's either that or it stays as

[25:53] it is, right? Like if we can't do it, if we I cannot He's like the fifth or sixth

[26:00] person I've talked to. Mhm. >> He has come the closest to being able to

[26:03] replicate the trim. [clears throat] So if you can't accept that, then we

[26:07] just have to keep it the rotted wood there, right? Like it's like either

[26:11] » come as close as you can or don't. >> And we have done that before, by the

[26:15] way. So certain historic areas where they didn't allow either the windows to

[26:19] be changed or some of the trim to be changed. We've left that. We've done all

[26:22] the siding up to it. So the original stays obviously

[26:28] » some of it's almost impossible to to to bring it back to life.

[26:32] » I and I appreciate that and I appreciate your comment that you know if you can't

[26:36] replicate exactly you may end up with >> maybe a few of your elements having to

[26:41] be repaired carefully and puttied or you know whatever

[26:44] » be I mean if you look at it it is beyond repair.

[26:47] » Can you repair the elements? I do know that above uh the windows at the top

[26:51] that that if you look at that thick white line that is just like

[26:56] » um it's like a big caul and it's just that you know that's probably the only

[27:02] thing that's keeping the water out right there. But it it is it's aged and it's

[27:06] going to be tough to like >> holes especially in the upstairs dormer

[27:09] on the far right. There's holes. >> I mean it is beyond repair. But that but

[27:14] that that layer of pock I mean it it can be removed. I just don't know what's

[27:18] going to happen when once you do that right because it it's been a glued up on

[27:23] there for a while. But I've looked at that window before just walking down the

[27:26] sidewalk and noting that. >> Can you tell us um when you're

[27:30] contemplating doing the project and what kind of timeline and how does you do the

[27:35] siding first and then you work on the the trim elements after that? I

[27:38] » think we do it all at once all together. It'll be done by the end of the year

[27:41] because as soon as you approve it, we'll order it in the red takes a couple what?

[27:45] » It's 14 to 16 weeks. >> So, be done by the end

[27:49] » for ordering all the material and then of course schedule time.

[27:51] » Is it possible to order the red the red siding and then

[27:58] see see what the situation is with the trim.

[28:02] » I don't want to spend a fortune on siding if I can't do the trim. If I have

[28:07] to keep the rotten windows, I'm not going to bother to do the siding.

[28:11] » You mean the trim elements of the windows? Is you're you're keeping your

[28:14] windows, right? >> I'm keeping the windows, but the trim is

[28:16] rotten, so why would I spend tens of thousands of dollars on siding and keep

[28:20] rotten trim?

[28:25] » Um, Bill, do you have any additional

[28:28] comments about that? >> It's appropriate to have the samples in

[28:32] front of us. So you want samples of >> the siding I mean of no the trim the

[28:38] different sides of the trim but also there should be details. The

[28:44] application asks for details of

[28:48] uh special specialty things like the rake

[28:52] um the eaves um

[28:56] » yeah I didn't have a contract I spoke to the clerk I think I didn't have a

[29:00] contractor when I was completing the application so it's like layman's

[29:02] knowledge I don't have I didn't have all that information

[29:05] » I notice here that the the rake seems to protrude farther than your

[29:11] computer render the existing windows.

[29:14] » What's the rake? I don't even

[29:18] » This part of the roof is protruding farther now than it looks like on the

[29:24] other drawing. >> Oh, well, this

[29:26] » the other one is a threestep piece of trim. This is a wide

[29:31] or something >> rake board and are you looking at this?

[29:34] This was just I just This was just an AI image of the of my current house with

[29:39] the new painting on it with Again, lot lot of those

[29:43] » permission to do certain things that we have to have it documented what it is

[29:48] those things are. So if we can't look at this as documentation, then you should

[29:54] provide details that show exactly what you're going to

[29:59] be doing with a with a sample. So when you say a sample, I just want to

[30:04] understand what you want me to bring you because he brought this the they're not

[30:08] going to be able to make the trim. You want the sample of the material and the

[30:13] size. >> Yes.

[30:15] » Can you do that? >> And I would like

[30:16] » for every single size piece on top of the house.

[30:18] » I don't understand. >> Wouldn't say every single one. I would

[30:20] say um

[30:23] » because even the pictures that you're com commenting on there, those are just

[30:26] rendering images. >> So why so why don't present this then?

[30:29] because you do show you show this window AI generated caul. It's a it's a

[30:34] straight line now and but that's that's rotting caul on top of that window. So

[30:37] this is this is not >> when I did the that wasn't him. That was

[30:40] me. When I did the AI generated window, I just said put the old windows so they

[30:45] know that I'm keeping the design. That's why I put the old windows in.

[30:50] » Oh. Uh they went down there. What we're trying to avoid though is

[30:54] having trim like this with the window going like we're just

[30:57] » if all these details are gone like and it doesn't look

[31:01] » I'm trying to work through that process. Right.

[31:03] » All the details to be Listen, I want it to we bought the house, right? We love

[31:07] the house. I don't want all the details to be gone as much as you want all the

[31:10] details to be gone. I'm not trying to make this over. That's why we're not

[31:13] doing it gray and white anymore. I want it to look as original. And I know you

[31:17] said I can't use new sub. I didn't know that, but I understand and I'm with you

[31:22] and I agree 1,000% for >> Oh, your whole booklet.

[31:28] » Where's the one that he just gave me with the party book?

[31:31] » Oh, sorry. Is it this? >> And mine is not stapled. So, it's loose

[31:34] pictures. >> It's pictures that were in there.

[31:36] » Go in here. >> I'm so sorry.

[31:38] » Yeah, there they are. Sorry. >> So, again, even these were

[31:41] » AI. >> It's not AI, it's software,

[31:44] » but again, it overlays it on top of the existing house. So, how much of it is it

[31:49] actually you can't see in the images? Yeah, you can't even see some of that

[31:52] that's above the windows, >> right?

[31:54] » And I'm sorry, I can't I can't do it any other way. There is no software that

[31:57] allows you to kind of put this material on there. So,

[32:01] » and >> and if you want the pieces, I got

[32:04] actually bring you different size pieces of trim. That's all I can do. What I

[32:08] would like to know is if this existing trim is 3/4 or 5/4 or four quarter or

[32:15] whatever and how wide is it. I'd like you to have

[32:20] a sample that shows that you can get >> correct

[32:22] » to that. You know, it doesn't have to be every piece. It has to be the major

[32:27] components like >> the corners, the fascia,

[32:30] » the corners, fascia, and then the window, the casing. Because part of the

[32:35] look and feel of this house is that wide >> trim, the wide frame around the house.

[32:41] And if we end up with this tiny little, it's all the way off. It's not 100%

[32:45] going to look at all reflective of what that house

[32:47] » and Hardy does make different trim pieces and different widths. So I can I

[32:51] can get different sizes. >> So it's just really

[32:54] » So what we do is normally when we help a client like this, um uh I set up a

[32:59] project manager to come out. So he does a pre-walk of the property. He takes a

[33:02] look at what's there. He's making basically making his order list of the

[33:06] materials he needs to order. So that case he's looking okay that's five and a

[33:10] quarter inch. I'm ordering five and a quarter inch for this specific area. I

[33:13] need this 200 ft of it for this area for the freeze. Same thing. So he's just

[33:18] making a list and he's ordering the materials as needed as far as what's

[33:21] there. If I tell him I'm replicating what's there.

[33:25] » Yeah. >> Right. Okay.

[33:26] » Obviously, if we, you know, we're not going to vinyl or some, you know,

[33:30] » it's almost like as if we had that list that we could then approve off of to

[33:34] say, "Yes, you're putting in five and a quarter, which matches five and a

[33:37] quarter. You're doing 7 in reveal at this. You're doing this." Right now, all

[33:41] we have is an insurance document, a write up, and an AI drawing.

[33:45] Unfortunately, it doesn't like the detail part is what we're really looking

[33:47] for because that's what we prove off >> because this the beauty of this house is

[33:50] in the details. I get it. Yeah. So, let's going I can't see your name and I

[33:54] forgot what it was already. >> Laura.

[33:56] » Laura. >> Laura.

[33:56] » I'm Laura. >> Laura. So, your suggestion if you guys

[34:01] » if you were able to approve the red, we could order the red because that what

[34:06] takes the time. And then your next meeting is in October. Is that correct?

[34:09] Correct. We could come back in October with the sample. You understand what

[34:13] they want? Because I don't understand what you want. But if he understands, we

[34:16] come back in October with the samples of the trim and that could be a separate

[34:20] the trim and the doors. >> Bill Finham raised the point that he

[34:23] wants to see what the uh the reveal the reveal is on the on the trim. Right. So

[34:29] » I I don't feel comfortable with the seven inch when I believe that currently

[34:35] it's closer to four. It might even be three and a half.

[34:40] So the standard 4 inch exposure is what I would be looking for. That's what I

[34:46] would >> What's the lead time on on the ordering?

[34:49] » 14 to 16. >> 14 to 16 weeks.

[34:51] » So it takes 14 to 16 weeks for it to come in

[34:53] » for materials and schedule time. >> Okay. So with specific color like red,

[34:58] it takes longer because they have to produce.

[34:59] » All right. What I would suggest is if he if he can get a photo right this second

[35:04] and go measure it, would that satisfy you? So we can at least get them.

[35:07] » I like to know what it is. But is there a reason

[35:10] » that you chose seven inch? >> The 4 inch is a lot more expensive. It's

[35:16] like twice the price. >> That's the reason.

[35:19] » They have even actually smaller than 4 in as well. And it shoots up even

[35:23] higher. >> And the reason for the expense

[35:29] » you'd have to ask Mr. J. >> I was told it was the labor because it's

[35:32] labor and also material itself. >> I imagine it's labor. just

[35:36] » and I'm just telling you >> two pieces instead of one going in place

[35:39] but >> if you get double the price u seems

[35:44] excessive >> wrong

[35:46] » it's it's up there it's close to double the price on the the smaller ones

[35:51] » well >> it literally even with my wobbly ankle I

[35:54] could walk across the street and look at the reveal real quick and measure it if

[35:57] you guys like >> will you do that

[35:59] » do you guys mind >> I I don't mind um you should see if it's

[36:04] closer to 7 But we we if there's a photograph and

[36:08] then if you have a if there's a way for you to measure it.

[36:10] » Yeah. Have a tape measure >> with with in the photograph that would

[36:13] be fantastic. >> Yeah.

[36:16] » All due respect. I have a wobbly an angle, but I'll

[36:25] » answer a lot of your questions. That's why I brought him with me, but I'll try.

[36:28] It is. >> Is the roof being done?

[36:30] » The roof does not need to be done. The roof is The roof [clears throat] I've

[36:34] had someone look at. He looked at it. >> Um, a couple other The roof is fine.

[36:39] » Yeah, it's >> Madam Chair.

[36:42] » Um, due to the intermission, I wonder if you should table this till the end and

[36:46] take the next person who may be ready to >> administer. You know, I didn't ask

[36:51] Amanda and I would like Amanda to make a comment on this as well.

[36:56] » Okay. >> So, um,

[36:57] » you want to do that >> because I know she'll have some

[36:59] opinions. >> All right, that would be good. I'm just

[37:02] trying to keep things moving. >> Absolutely. So, we can we can take your

[37:06] comments right now, I think, to Yeah, sure. If he can make it back in the next

[37:09] couple minutes, then then we won't have to table it.

[37:12] » My comments and concerns are very similar um to Bill Fom's.

[37:17] » Um I think that the uh size of the wood

[37:24] boards that are on here is definitely not seven in. So, I'm very interested to

[37:28] see what that is going to be. Um, I'm noticing in your drawing and

[37:35] » since you said this is not exactly how it's going to look, maybe this is going

[37:40] to be different, but the gutter >> in your original drawing is

[37:47] » um an older style gutter. We're getting we're getting um similar

[37:55] » to the older I told them that they had to keep the gutters.

[37:57] » It's like a half round. >> Yeah, but I think that they were going

[37:59] to maybe paint them white that it looks more

[38:01] » Are they being replaced or are they being kept?

[38:03] » I don't think that I've been told that they can't put the same gutters back up

[38:08] once they take them down. >> Okay. And I know you can get half half

[38:11] round white. We have them on our house. >> He can get the same ones. I mean, he can

[38:14] get the half round. I told him that. I mean, I am trying to keep this as

[38:19] authentic as possible. You look at the if you ever come in my house, you'll see

[38:23] that not a lot has changed since the 1800s. So, I it's not in my best

[38:28] interest, and I appreciate you wanting to preserve it. It's not in my best I

[38:32] don't want to make it modern. Um, but I do need to fix the siding.

[38:38] So yeah, my the the remainder of my comment is just that I have the exact

[38:43] same concerns as Bill with the trim pieces, the fascia, the roof line,

[38:50] um the um window trim, making sure all of that keeps its character

[38:58] um and just isn't turned into flat. Um we don't want to do that. I promise you.

[39:06] Um, but one question I have and this is just

[39:10] a question. I'm curious as to why you prefer the 4 in to the 7 in. Is it just

[39:15] because it's >> what it's is there a historical

[39:19] significance to that? >> Absolutely.

[39:21] » I think it goes to the scale of the structure scales of the structure is

[39:26] small. So to have these big >> Okay.

[39:30] wide boards. Uh me doesn't. >> And if you look, you can't really tell

[39:35] from this photo, but maybe you can a little bit. If you look at the bottom of

[39:40] the house, a lot of this is painted concrete

[39:43] » in the front. >> Oh, yeah.

[39:45] » It's not even boards. >> Up to the wind. Yeah. Up to almost the

[39:49] top of the window. [clears throat]

[39:51] » Here he comes. [laughter] >> Pretty fast.

[39:57] » Start here. Start here and see. So they're going to go over that with

[40:01] siding.

[40:06] » It's hard to tell. >> So there's it looks like it's been

[40:09] changed in certain areas. So certain parts of the house are 5 and 1/2 in.

[40:13] » Certain parts of the house are 4 and 12 in.

[40:16] » And some have overlap, some are just completely flat.

[40:21] » So if you look at this area here, >> looks like there's bondo behind it. I

[40:25] don't know what was going on. >> Concrete block. What's that?

[40:29] » She said the same

[40:32] » in the bottom of the front. Some of it looks like it was just

[40:35] » at the very bottom. But here you see the side material.

[40:40] » Yep. That's right here somewhere. I took the picture

[40:42] » and then right above the window that's where it goes like 4 and 12 is

[40:46] » on the right on the left side of the house. 4 and 12 in about there.

[40:50] » It's 4 and 12 in block down here. Just ask.

[40:54] » What is this? >> Is that artifact?

[40:58] » This is flush almost. >> It's just flush.

[41:02] [clears throat] >> Yeah.

[41:06] » I think I would call it four [laughter] and a half, but I would

[41:08] » return. That's what I would

[41:14] » deciding. Sounds pretty good. You can get any

[41:16] » 4 and 12 in. We'll have William pay the difference to go from [laughter]

[41:21] 12 in. >> I'm joking.

[41:25] » It's funny. >> Um,

[41:29] » well,

[41:32] have you seen the red color in real in real life?

[41:35] » Yeah, he has it here. >> Okay.

[41:39] All right. Let's take a look at that.

[41:52] If it's not the color that you that you guys are approving, this does come in

[41:55] primerred as well. >> Then you have to paint the entire house

[41:59] afterwards. >> Yeah,

[42:01] » it's so hard to tell if that little sample looks brown [laughter]

[42:04] » to me. I'm struggling with country lane red, but it is not the vibrant red

[42:10] that's obviously

[42:19] So, >> it won't be a red house.

[42:24] » It's going to be a brown house. >> Be gray like we approved before gray,

[42:29] » but that was paint be changed. >> Okay.

[42:33] » So, the permanent color of this house will be basically a brown red color.

[42:37] » Whatever that color is, >> the country red

[42:40] » brown red. Any comments on that? >> I mean, I wish it was more vibrant

[42:46] personally, but I don't know like [snorts]

[42:51] um comments. >> I like the gray that we proved before.

[42:56] » You like the gray, but isn't that take away from the little red schoolhouse?

[42:59] » This takes away from the little red schoolhouse. This is a brown red. It's

[43:02] not the bright vibrant red that was there.

[43:04] » So, you would prefer the gray? Personally, considering I have a gray

[43:07] house, considering I already have a gray house, so I'm biased.

[43:11] » Well, is your house a historic house? >> It's right down the street. Yeah.

[43:15] » Okay. Because there's a lot of houses that are gray and the red is most She

[43:19] makes a valid point. >> Most of this panel is is gray house in

[43:22] the village. So, >> there's a lot of gray houses. So, we're

[43:26] trying to keep >> I understand that. Um, you have comments

[43:30] on the color? Sorry. Yeah, it's it's it's a little red schoolhouse and it's

[43:36] not a red schoolhouse >> with that siding on it with that color.

[43:41] » Does Hardy make other reds? >> That's the only red

[43:44] » is the only red option >> in the smooth option.

[43:48] » Is there a red option in smooth primer and then painted paint?

[43:52] » Can hard can hardy be painted. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[43:55] » But then do I have to >> That was the second option. You can get

[43:58] it in primer. [clears throat] And do I have to keep paying?

[44:00] » This is primary 10ear warranty.

[44:04] » Yeah, they reduce the warranty. >> I thought there was two.

[44:07] » Anyone else have comments on the color while we're while that's on the table?

[44:12] Party with a whole bunch of different colors. And there's another red.

[44:14] » Oh, no. It doesn't

[44:20] change. >> But then you paint

[44:24] it at this point. >> I know. I know. But like I

[44:27] » cuz this would be a permanent >> to me. This is such a landmark.

[44:30] » But it's a color

[44:35] change. >> It's a color change.

[44:38] » We typically don't >> we don't we don't um

[44:44] » we don't but it's it's the permanence of the it's the permanence of the color

[44:47] that allows us to not really have an opinion on that.

[44:51] » Right. The last changeability. I know that someone told me that there

[44:56] was like basic party >> so they could Okay.

[45:05] » Tell tell me about >> I understand the whole cost factor of

[45:10] this. This is an extremely expensive project and one that you hope lasts

[45:15] » maybe forever while you're in your house and I I appreciate that.

[45:19] » Um >> I really appreciate that. What kind of

[45:24] additional expense would there be if you are painting

[45:28] the Hardy board with with a similar color as opposed to picking a brown red?

[45:34] » How much more expensive would that be? >> Again, we don't normally get into

[45:38] painting ourselves, but I can definitely look into it.

[45:40] » Okay. >> I can also look into it and see if Hardy

[45:43] does a customization color. >> Okay.

[45:45] » That they can preaint it at the factory ahead of time. So,

[45:49] » let alone the what William was saying that four and a half inch reveal.

[45:53] » Yeah. >> Um, so the real reveal is four and a

[45:56] half inch much wider.

[45:59] » If it's going to be that much more expensive, I'm not going to I'll just do

[46:01] the gray. I'm not going to spend twice the I can't

[46:05] It's either keep it as it is or do it gray and white, which you approved last

[46:11] year. it. I I from my own personal experience,

[46:16] it was cheaper to get it from the factory because they have to touch it up

[46:20] when they install things anyway and they have to prime the seams of anything they

[46:23] cut and they still are having to go through and touch up all the paint

[46:27] because yes, it comes from the factory, but then it gets dinged. So there's

[46:30] still painting involved, right? Even if you install it versus getting the exact

[46:34] color that if the color there you really like and want to preserve and it's from

[46:38] it's less money to get the material from the factory because all they're going

[46:41] through is doing prime and not doing the painting step afterwards and then you

[46:44] have a company that whoever can paint it because there's a lot of painting

[46:47] companies. >> So you are going to get the material a

[46:50] little less cost. So you are going to save some there because it's not going

[46:53] to be prepainted, >> right?

[46:54] » And so then now you have to have a painter come and paint the house, right?

[46:57] Yeah. So

[47:01] you can understand like we're we have we have concerns about the color. Um and I

[47:06] think if there's a reasonable solution >> to get a color as close as possible to

[47:11] this >> it only because this house

[47:14] » is is sort of a landmark in this town and it's right at the doorstep of

[47:18] Franklin. >> You guys approved the gray and white.

[47:21] Why would you not approve this country red? The gray and white wasn't

[47:25] preserving anything. So there with paint color when you paint existing siding it

[47:32] can be changed again. With Hardy board that's a permanent color.

[47:39] » So it's a little bit different than approve the gray. He Well

[47:43] » he likes gray. >> He likes gray. I like gray.

[47:45] » He likes gray. >> But I'm not speaking for the entire

[47:47] council up here. Right. >> No. I understand that.

[47:48] » I don't like the I don't like the red. >> He likes the gray cardboard

[47:53] » of my least worst options. Like red for me personally is here. Gray is above

[47:58] that. Primed and you're painting it with the red color that matches is my first

[48:03] choice. I'm just trying to find >> an avenue to help you out to get what

[48:06] you want. Right. >> Right.

[48:09] » If you go if she does gray, it's going to be seven.

[48:14] » No, I think we still want four. >> Or it's still going to be four.

[48:16] » Yeah. >> Okay. That's why I making sure

[48:20] » we preced the gray color already. What it is? That's why you just

[48:25] went a year ago because it wasn't hardy. >> It wasn't hard,

[48:29] » right? >> It was what? And I don't remember being

[48:32] at that meeting, but I don't remember that one either.

[48:34] » I read about it later. >> Okay. Um,

[48:37] » so this is this is sort of the consensus that I I feel like is evolving up here,

[48:42] which is the the Hardy board siding should be the 4 in 4 and 1/2 in size um

[48:51] to closely match what's on the house. Now, the smaller

[48:55] um structure. Um our preference would be that the house

[49:03] color be as close to what it is right now. Um this school, you know,

[49:08] schoolhouse red. Um if you can order that product in a custom color, that

[49:16] makes sense. Um, and that's

[49:21] I feel like we could approve that tonight if you can get those elements

[49:25] together and that's acceptable to you in terms of

[49:28] » So if I get those together, I don't have to come back to October for that piece.

[49:34] » Trim, >> I think so.

[49:35] » Trim, >> not the trim. No, no, no. Just so if he

[49:40] says to me, I can get the 4 and 1/2 in board in schoolhouse red. Yes.

[49:46] » And it's going to cost X more. And I say, okay, he can go ahead and order

[49:50] that. >> Yes.

[49:51] » Okay. And then we still need to come back in October.

[49:55] » I'm just taking notes. >> Yes.

[49:57] » Um with >> you understand what they want with the

[50:01] trim with the trim list and examples of the trim list. Now, when you say trim

[50:05] list and doors, what do you what do you want for the doors? You want pictures of

[50:08] the doors or >> Yes. pictures of the doors.

[50:13] » What you want? Okay. >> Uh, will they be painted white as well?

[50:16] » Yes. >> Cut sheets.

[50:18] » Cut sheets. Is that what you call them? >> That's what he said.

[50:21] » I got a spec sheet of all that. >> So, real quick question. So, I didn't

[50:25] put a lot of that other stuff together where Alexis gave you some of the

[50:28] information. I think it was a pre uh previous contractor, correct? Yeah, it

[50:33] was kind of >> I will I will have more details of spec

[50:35] sheet of what exactly we're doing. >> Um, why is this changing by the way? Do

[50:39] you gutters, we got windows, we got window trim, doors, siding.

[50:45] » I did this spec sheet my I did this myself. Yep.

[50:48] » He wasn't involved. >> No, it's just more what else is being

[50:50] modified. >> No windows.

[50:51] » Yeah. Yeah. But gutters are being modified or replaced.

[50:55] » Removed and replaced. >> So, and you're proposing a half round

[50:58] white gutter. >> This? Now I'm doing five five inch

[51:02] gutter with 2x3 down spouts >> just even like the neighbor's house next

[51:07] door and a couple other ones. >> Does that match what's on the house now?

[51:11] » That does not match. >> Oh, I thought we were doing the same

[51:14] gutter. So, um

[51:21] » we don't have a proposal, right? >> No.

[51:24] » Yeah. Nothing

[51:27] taken down preserved. >> Yeah.

[51:30] » Anything can be preserved. Now becomes an issue if it leaks afterwards. Not to

[51:36] for it because I put it back on and removed it and put it back on.

[51:39] » So even when we do any houses, even if I do a brand new house and if I remove

[51:43] existing gutters and put it back, if it leaks, I take full accountability now

[51:46] cuz I fixed it. >> But we know that

[51:49] » right, >> majority companies are not going to take

[51:51] liability for that. and somebody wants to sign off on it and you got an issue

[51:56] about the week and I don't want to deal with that.

[51:58] » All these other things we can't approve the campaign,

[52:00] » right? Okay. So, I mean the application Yeah. Go ahead,

[52:04] » please. >> No, what I was going to say is, you

[52:07] know, what's in front of us today is replace existing wood siding with James

[52:12] Hardy fiber cement siding that closely replicates the appearance, profile,

[52:17] scale, and character. This that's what's technically in front of us today. So,

[52:21] just to make your life easier, when you come back here, which you're going to

[52:25] have to come back here for all of the trim work,

[52:28] » okay? >> Um, you need to you need to have the cut

[52:31] sheets. Is that what they're called? >> Cut sheets.

[52:34] » And if you have examples, bring those, too. Okay. If you have

[52:39] examples of the the pieces that are going to go on on the home, bring those,

[52:43] too. Okay. If if they're available, and I think you said some of them might be

[52:47] available. Okay. Bring what's available >> and gutters.

[52:51] » The gutters. >> Bring a plan for the gutters. Um there

[52:55] are half round gutters on the home right now. They're white

[52:59] » and >> No. Well, right now they're not white.

[53:01] » Okay. They're galvanized metal. >> They're just

[53:04] » they're silver. Okay. >> Um then if you want to keep that color,

[53:10] I guess that's that's fine. >> But we would paint them white. You would

[53:12] paint white. Okay. So, you want you would do would you agree to do the half

[53:16] round style of gutter? Yes. I mean, if we can get it

[53:22] » requesting that we'll have to do >> I think to replace um in kind is is

[53:27] generally what we >> Yeah.

[53:29] » Okay. >> Okay.

[53:31] » On the front on the front door, the back door and the garage door, side door.

[53:35] » Do you need to see the back door and the garage side door? That's just a

[53:37] question. That's fine. >> So, that garage door has been changed.

[53:40] It's a steel door. >> Yeah, we need a chunk out of it.

[53:43] » So, someone's already replaced it. Whether approved or not approved,

[53:46] someone's already changed it from way back. Bring the bring the examples of

[53:48] the bring photos of the doors and the the manufacturer,

[53:53] » the color, >> cut sheets,

[53:55] » the cut sheets, and this will make this process go so much faster than kind of

[54:01] talking about what we're going to try to do, what we may may do, etc. um because

[54:06] we just we just we're we're in a sort of a bad position here where we we're

[54:11] trying to envision what you're putting out there and we just don't have

[54:14] examples in front of us and we're we're trying to be

[54:18] » we try to be efficient with your time and you know get you on going on your

[54:22] project. So um so if you can get the 4in Hardy plane

[54:31] with no grooves. Oh, plane. Is that what he The smooth

[54:36] » smooth. >> Can we do a motion or

[54:38] » we Yeah. >> So, you think, and I'm asking your

[54:40] opinion. You think the smooth You're an architect. You think the smooth is going

[54:43] to be prettier than the wood grain? >> That's my I'm just Then I would do the

[54:49] smooth. I don't have a problem doing the >> pictures of it smooth.

[54:52] » Okay. >> I don't think I've ever done otherwise.

[54:56] » Okay. >> There's a lot of examples right in the

[54:58] historic district >> where it's smooth.

[55:01] » Okay. So, in my professional opinion, I'm not

[55:05] trying to disagree with you, but just using my eyes,

[55:10] the existing siding bear is not smooth. But if you want smooth, we'll do smooth.

[55:15] » Are you replacing that sighting >> for a reason?

[55:19] » The reason being that it's rotted. >> Yeah.

[55:23] that it's it's um peeling, it's blistering,

[55:28] » and you want to replace it with something that replicates that.

[55:32] » That's my question. >> I wouldn't want it I wouldn't want to

[55:37] replicate something that I find inferior that I'm trying to get rid of.

[55:41] » I like smooth, >> right? [laughter] Smooth is good. Smooth

[55:42] is good. Smooth >> should be less costly, too.

[55:44] » Four. Four. It comes in four inch side width. There's different sizes, but I'll

[55:48] definitely check to see. Our whole thing with the wood is that it's like a faux

[55:52] wood. It's like replicated to look old. And like Laura Laura was saying, that's

[55:57] what we try to >> veer away from are materials that are

[56:00] trying to look historic. >> So is the smooth going to look more

[56:04] modern in your eyes. >> It's going to look like wood.

[56:08] » Clean. >> Okay. [clears throat]

[56:10] » It should it should look like wood like wood.

[56:13] » Okay. >> Exciting. Well,

[56:14] » yeah. The wood that was there with new wood,

[56:18] it would be smooth. >> It would be smooth.

[56:20] » Okay. I'm fine with that. >> Like any

[56:23] » So, we need to make a motion >> to approve what we've approved for you

[56:27] tonight. Okay. >> So, don't leave yet.

[56:30] » Okay. >> Um, who's going to tackle this one?

[56:33] » Well, it's just a silent, right? >> I'll

[56:36] Okay. You want to tackle it? >> I'll try to help to approve the motion

[56:39] of what they're requesting. >> Uh,

[56:42] » start with the address. Just the address.

[56:44] » He wasn't in the roll call. So, does he need to state that he's here before he

[56:47] » Oh, you have to state that you're here because you weren't here for roll call.

[56:50] » Okay. >> My name's Rand.

[56:53] » I wrote you in. >> He is here for the minute. [laughter]

[56:59] Uh, >> guess I better pull it

[57:10] » for 32310 Franklin Road. uh James Hardy sighting

[57:16] uh to approve the James Hardy sighting to be firehouse schoolhouse red in color

[57:24] to replicate the existing uh scale at uh approximately 4 in sighting.

[57:31] Uh the trim and window the trim and doors are not included as approval.

[57:43] » Um you should specify that it's a smooth James Hardy.

[57:46] » It's a smooth smooth James Hardy sighting.

[57:49] » Mhm. >> Uh

[57:51] to be either provided in in the schoolhouse red color or to be provided

[57:56] in prime to be painted. Anything else?

[58:01] » Um, just that it um should be you said this to the scale, but the you said it

[58:07] comes in a 4 inch. >> They have different reveals. Yes.

[58:10] » Okay. >> So, I'll try to find out if they have

[58:12] the four and a half. I know they have the three. I know they have the two.

[58:15] » Okay. >> So, I have to double check if they have.

[58:17] » So, if they don't have a four and a half, would you be fine with four or

[58:19] three and a half? >> Or I should let you I should come back

[58:22] to the next meeting and let you know. >> Well, some of that I just took a

[58:25] picture. Some of it's four and a half and some of it's five and a half. So,

[58:30] I I think if it's between four and five that's probably okay.

[58:36] » Four or five. >> I think the standard is four.

[58:38] » Standard is four according to Mr. Finick. So

[58:41] » you should probably be able to find a 4 in

[58:44] » reveal board. Color call schoolhouse red. I just want to make sure that we

[58:47] don't do >> I'm just going to take I'm going to

[58:49] break off a piece. >> Try to color match it.

[58:53] » Right. >> Okay.

[58:54] » Okay. So I think we have the motion. Secretary of Interior standard

[58:57] » second >> and you have to say what secretary of

[59:00] the interior standard that most closely it's probably number nine.

[59:07] Um look on

[59:14] » exterior alterations >> that that these um approvals are

[59:20] consistent with >> these approvals are consistent with

[59:23] » the secretary of the interior standard number

[59:25] » standard number nine. >> Okay.

[59:28] » Painting and colors. >> Okay.

[59:30] » I'll second. >> Everyone in favor.

[59:33] » I Okay. >> Oh, that was

[59:35] » Thank you. Who second it? Hi. >> This is their seconded it.

[59:41] » All right. Thank you. These are yours. >> We appreciate your time today and

[59:47] » your willingness to work with us. >> Appreciate it.

[1:00:03] » All right. Um All right.

[1:00:06] Next on the agenda for new business, thank you for waiting tonight

[1:00:11] 32716 to 32744 Franklin Road facade

[1:00:16] renovations. The applicants are here. The applicant is here. Um, can you

[1:00:21] please come up and discuss your project, please?

[1:00:28] » Is this not working? >> I have no idea.

[1:00:31] » Okay. >> Last time it came off of that computer.

[1:00:36] Yeah, Evan is the one who usually kind of harder to manages that. I don't know

[1:00:42] everything about it. >> You're being heaven tonight. What's

[1:00:45] going on? >> I send everything electronically. So,

[1:00:47] » yeah, it's okay. >> It heaven.

[1:00:57] » So, I mean, we've all met before. >> We have. Welcome back.

[1:01:01] » We're very excited about your project. >> I know.

[1:01:03] » I I hope so. I'm a little >> Yes.

[1:01:06] We're excited about your feedback. [laughter]

[1:01:10] » Don't say that. Yeah. [laughter]

[1:01:15] » With the fact that I thought we incorporated a lot of what you told us

[1:01:18] last time again with, you know, revealing comments to keep the original

[1:01:23] materials where you can, you know, all the historical significance. I mean, the

[1:01:28] we made some changes. We truly did listen to what we said. We made some,

[1:01:31] you know, incorporate them. The biggest things that we're doing right is we are

[1:01:35] going to replace the roof as essentially last time to the original bridge with

[1:01:40] the black shingles. The great news for us is we only actually have to replace

[1:01:44] half of the roof. So um that original piece which is the north side of the

[1:01:50] roof can stay. It's not we took we put everything down on the inside. It's not

[1:01:55] uh rotting as bad as the other side. So that part can stay. Um it actually makes

[1:02:00] it more complicated for us. We're trying to put the things together. We've been

[1:02:03] working with the structural engineer and architect for the last six weeks to try

[1:02:07] and get it straight. So we'll be replacing um just the south side of the

[1:02:12] roof. This the south half of it. Again, same pitch in the front, improve

[1:02:18] shingles, same look and feel. Um the second, you know, biggest element is

[1:02:22] that we intend to just restore um the brick on the outside now. We just want

[1:02:27] to kind of restore it to historical beauty if possible. Um we will replace

[1:02:33] the windows and doors, you know, as closely as possible wood, but again, you

[1:02:37] know, things are rotting, they need to be replaced. Um and then the other big

[1:02:41] change is that we just want to replace kind of the back repaint the

[1:02:46] back half of the building right now, which is cinder block. Um we just want

[1:02:49] to paint it, our intention is to paint it sort of the navy blue.

[1:02:53] So brick in the front, navy blue in the back. That said, again, I know you've

[1:02:57] looked at what's there and so I think we're sort of just ready to field

[1:03:02] » you have some questions >> questions in the comments.

[1:03:05] » Fire away. >> Okay. So, for me, the easy part for me

[1:03:09] on this project is the paint colors. I think they're great.

[1:03:12] » I think they're appropriate. I think they make sense with the with the

[1:03:15] project. So, um for me, that's the easiest part. I know that there there

[1:03:21] are a few exterior changes that um many of the commissioners here have uh

[1:03:28] comments and concerns about and Amanda um our liaison, our historical liaison

[1:03:34] uh consultant has also has some concerns about some of

[1:03:39] the proposed changes on the outside and um she consults with us about

[1:03:44] compliance with you know the secretary of interior rules that we have to comply

[1:03:48] by. Oh, comply with sorry. So, I don't know who wants to get the ball rolling

[1:03:54] um on any of the structural or window changes or other changes that are here

[1:04:01] uh in terms of asking some questions, but we can Mr. Pinum, do you want to

[1:04:07] start or Amanda, do you want to put some of your concerns out there first?

[1:04:11] » Honestly, I think you guys should start. Okay. Yeah. And then if like if I have

[1:04:17] anything to add on I mostly sent you this because there were so many things

[1:04:21] different things they wanted to do that I wanted to break everyone out so that

[1:04:26] you knew that there were this many >> right different things to approve

[1:04:32] » like each one of those needs to be approved. So, let's talk about the paint

[1:04:38] colors first, just because I think that's probably the easiest part of this

[1:04:43] » of this project. I don't know people have thoughts on that.

[1:04:46] » I think they're great. >> I think they're great.

[1:04:48] » Okay. Yeah. Anyone? No. Good. Okay. I think we're we're in agreement on your

[1:04:52] paint color. So, >> thank you.

[1:04:54] » Hooray. Um unless >> we're out of here.

[1:04:57] » Stripping. Okay. [laughter] Uh >> oh. Okay.

[1:04:59] » Well, we'll go with stripping the brick and then

[1:05:02] » how to protect it and seal it. >> We haven't talked about that one yet.

[1:05:05] We're just talking about the paint on the on the wood part, right?

[1:05:09] » Yeah. And the block and the block part. Oh, the block part. Yeah.

[1:05:13] » I have some basic background questions. Forgive me. I'm new, so maybe everybody

[1:05:21] else was here the last time you came. I take it you're Andrew.

[1:05:26] » I am Andrew. >> Steve Car. I'm her partner.

[1:05:30] » Steve. Okay. Um. >> Yeah.

[1:05:37] I see that the entire southern half of the roof is being replaced.

[1:05:41] » Yes. >> Is there the reason for that?

[1:05:44] » It's rotting. >> It's a rotted

[1:05:46] » and it's not decode. I mean, it's literally a part.

[1:05:48] » So, it's not the entire southern uh we've had a structural engineer come in.

[1:05:55] We've gutted the inside. We've been able to take a look at what we need to. So,

[1:06:00] you're right that the southern half, but it's not it's not going all the way to

[1:06:03] the back. It's just to uh >> of the restaurant portion

[1:06:08] » of the restaurant portion, but not the entire restaurant portion. The uh

[1:06:15] » it's being made higher. >> Sorry.

[1:06:18] » It's being made higher. >> It is inside.

[1:06:22] » So the roof the roof I we talked about last time and

[1:06:25] » actually it's like >> we had a right

[1:06:28] » and then back but not the flat piece. >> This table remain the same. In the back

[1:06:33] we have to raise a little bit. >> We approved that last time, right?

[1:06:39] » Okay. >> We did approve it last time.

[1:06:42] » Did you approve it last time? >> Yeah, we approved. We approved it.

[1:06:44] » We could move forward with the roof as long as we didn't change the front

[1:06:48] facade. Right. >> So really, this is about the facade

[1:06:51] » is approved. >> Yes.

[1:06:53] » We didn't approve anything at that meeting. We didn't make a motion. There

[1:06:57] was no application. We just we just fielded their they got they got comments

[1:07:02] from us as they went before >> it was a drop in

[1:07:07] » that it was those two sheets of drop in that came in last time that got added

[1:07:11] without applications. Was that um >> the change order?

[1:07:14] » You didn't make a motion. >> No, that's right.

[1:07:18] » Cuz that was last meeting, right? So, we were instructed to bring an application

[1:07:24] and my understanding with the conversation I had with Bill was that we

[1:07:29] could move forward with that roof replacement

[1:07:34] » as long as the E did not change >> as long as we didn't change the the look

[1:07:38] of >> Yep.

[1:07:40] » I which work has not been started yet because we've had to go through a

[1:07:45] process. >> So, as long as you're repairing it that

[1:07:48] that was We always knew we can't repair it. So, we came here saying we needed to

[1:07:52] replace it. >> We knew it's I I don't want to replace

[1:07:55] it. Believe me, I'm very very sure you don't have to code. It's Alex, you

[1:08:00] walked in there. >> I was inside. Yeah.

[1:08:03] » I don't want to replace. >> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. Okay.

[1:08:07] » So, what were we going to say? >> Yeah. What were you going to say?

[1:08:10] » Well, I just needed the background and I Is there anything else that I missed?

[1:08:15] Well, I went and reviewed it after the meeting. They have opened up the inside.

[1:08:22] The It's quite a building. It's been added

[1:08:27] to I can't tell you how many times cuz some parts of it have steel beams, wood

[1:08:32] beams. There's probably 10 different roof pitches to places that I don't

[1:08:39] understand why they ever built it that way. [clears throat] But the part that

[1:08:43] Steve and I went over was that portion that was discussed the last meeting and

[1:08:49] that part was rotted. I mean to the point where

[1:08:54] » it was structural >> safe.

[1:08:56] » I questioned it structural integrity at this point.

[1:08:59] » Yeah. So I did tell them they need to get started on that part of it, the

[1:09:04] structural part with the understanding nothing's being touched on the front

[1:09:10] side, street side, and that any minimal change in the pitch to get that water to

[1:09:17] run off of that roof was really necessary pursuant to their architect's

[1:09:23] recommendation. It it had roofs that went to each other

[1:09:26] and there was nothing but a big puddle up there. Well, flat roof, you know,

[1:09:30] Bill, it leaks like a sib when that happens. And it's been leaking in there

[1:09:34] for years. >> I mean, I can't tell you how gross the

[1:09:39] color of that wood looked that I was looking at. It was It was bad.

[1:09:43] » It is bad. >> So, um, yes, they did start in that area

[1:09:48] that I understood from the previous discussion,

[1:09:53] albeit they didn't have application. We haven't we haven't proceeded. We haven't

[1:09:59] proceeded from that point. We we just wanted to make sure in that last time

[1:10:02] that we were here >> that you guys would allow us to. We're

[1:10:06] not changing the facade. But in the meantime, for 2 months, we've had

[1:10:10] structural engineers and architects. We're going about it the right way and

[1:10:13] trying to make sure that any changes and and in that discovery, we don't have to

[1:10:18] replace the entire roof, just half of it. Um so we're continuing to to find

[1:10:23] out. Um I and we are to the point uh where our architect is finalizing how

[1:10:32] we're going to make that roof as as structural, you know, in the final

[1:10:36] steps, but we've already thought that we were to the point where our contractor

[1:10:40] is going to be able to to start proceeding with that. They're really

[1:10:45] thinking the concentration of this was the facade.

[1:10:48] » Mhm. Well,

[1:10:53] that roof since it's almost not visible is barely within

[1:10:59] our purview, but right >> it's the

[1:11:03] the parapit that is concealing it. >> Correct.

[1:11:07] » So, we have to decide if we accept the premise that it has to have a new roof

[1:11:12] and if so, then it has to have a higher parapit.

[1:11:16] » Correct. >> Or par sidewall and parap.

[1:11:19] » Mhm. And I can accept those. I can accept

[1:11:24] both premises. I I would think

[1:11:30] that, you know, you're eliminating some of the character from the existing

[1:11:35] profile of the parap. Now, it comes up and down. You know,

[1:11:40] » we can mimic the character if we go higher.

[1:11:43] » It's been very, >> it's been simplified.

[1:11:47] And it might be that it You could add

[1:11:52] another step or so in the front. >> Let me get that picture out that shows

[1:11:58] this. >> And it's this one.

[1:11:59] » It's this one right here. >> This one right here where they lose one

[1:12:04] step. So that So what you're saying is either it goes this way like that

[1:12:13] » or we're eliminating two drop downs. >> Yeah.

[1:12:17] » Yeah. These just looks now. >> Um

[1:12:20] » I don't know if you can get all the way down

[1:12:22] » these two. >> Yeah.

[1:12:23] » To that front one or not, but if you could get

[1:12:26] » to there. >> I wish we I wish we had this blown up

[1:12:31] » so everyone with that yellow line.

[1:12:34] » Yeah. >> So anything above that yellow line, we

[1:12:37] can drop it down to that yellow line. It's just that roof is going to come

[1:12:41] come at an angle and we just want to protect how it looks from from the side.

[1:12:46] That's what apparently it is. >> Does your new roof have to go to the

[1:12:51] peak of the manard? >> Well, in order for us to maintain the

[1:12:56] appearance from the road, >> then we want to keep this peak so it

[1:13:01] doesn't change the street side. >> But it can be lower, right? You could

[1:13:07] » still want to keep a pitch so when it meets up with this second this other

[1:13:10] roof, >> then then it's able to drain the water

[1:13:13] off, >> right? So maybe the more pitch that I

[1:13:17] can have to to >> allow that that access that

[1:13:23] » I understand. I'm thinking if you could pick up

[1:13:26] » 8 in or one step in this brick, but that and that's the other question I have. Is

[1:13:32] this the structural clay tile that you say has been painted and you're going to

[1:13:37] uh expose? >> Is that what this orange stuff is or is

[1:13:42] that correct? >> Red brick.

[1:13:43] » That's brick. That's >> that's the red brick. Everything that's

[1:13:46] indicated as red brick is what is red brick. Now we just want to peel like 15

[1:13:51] layers of paint. >> A lot of

[1:13:54] » Okay. Well, there is a mention of some kind of tile

[1:13:58] » or some kind of a

[1:14:04] interpreted tile when it was actually brick.

[1:14:06] » It was brick. The front I hit the write up said brick. I think it's

[1:14:10] » it's going to be [sighs] >> it's going to be cleaned off.

[1:14:14] » Yeah, it's burnt. >> And have you brick and center while

[1:14:16] you're cleaning that off?

[1:14:20] » It says burnt clay. Brick

[1:14:24] » I thought structural clay. >> Yep.

[1:14:26] » And then cinder block. >> Yeah.

[1:14:30] » Have you said how you're going to clean it?

[1:14:34] » We haven't determined exactly how yet. Um I think that my contractor had talked

[1:14:42] about soft sand blasting. My concern is because the brick is so brittle that

[1:14:47] it'll deteriorate it. Right. >> So my suggestion is chemically.

[1:14:53] » Yeah. there. Um, I'd say sand blasting is not an option because it takes away

[1:14:59] the quarter of an inch of the surface and makes it totally porous and then the

[1:15:04] rest of >> I think as old as that bird would take

[1:15:06] off more than >> um Okay. Um,

[1:15:13] I think you should um for your own benefit

[1:15:20] indication how to do that properly. or it'll be a bigger problem.

[1:15:26] But um that would be my recommendation on the

[1:15:29] » what deterioration occurs through the exposure will be replaced with

[1:15:35] uh red brick with comparable red brick. >> Can I ask a question? What do you guys

[1:15:41] need approved out of this massive amount of stuff tonight

[1:15:45] » versus that parapit wall that he addressed first because we need to move

[1:15:50] forward with the roof. So, if we gave if we were able to give you approval or we

[1:15:54] talk through the parapit roof and figure out if it's going up to get an extra

[1:15:58] step or we're modifying the front of it in the paint color, that's at least two

[1:16:02] things off your like 30 item list. I'll tell you what,

[1:16:08] » if we could get the parapit wall and be able to proceed with the roof and then

[1:16:13] more helpful suggestions so we don't come in here blind.

[1:16:16] » We're we're just coming in and showing you what we'd like to do. We bought we

[1:16:20] bought a we bought a the worst building you have in in the village. [laughter]

[1:16:24] » I'm sure there's worse. >> I can I can commute with you in mine.

[1:16:27] » Come on down. Bill's been there. Come on down.

[1:16:29] » Mine was pretty bad. So >> you're you're gray and hard to make

[1:16:32] something. >> No, we're here to help you through this.

[1:16:36] » And we don't want to waste, like I said before, we don't want to waste your time

[1:16:39] and we want to make this as efficient as possible, but and we don't want to delay

[1:16:42] your project either. So maybe breaking this up into more manageable chunks and

[1:16:47] we can discuss the paraped and the roof tonight and just

[1:16:51] » but you also know that when you do a project

[1:16:53] » but when you say as many multiple as the multiple issues I mean we're

[1:16:59] talking about four walls and we're only changing one.

[1:17:03] » The roof the window is taking out a window taking out like closing that off

[1:17:08] is an item. What windows are you guys using? What kind of doors are you guys

[1:17:11] using? the brick, even like clean off the brick. There's going to be more

[1:17:15] things as we go through it. I'm just trying to figure out what you guys need

[1:17:17] since it's already 8:17 on a Wednesday. >> I appreciate that cuz our time's

[1:17:23] valuable, too. But we we were the first on the docket and we kicked down.

[1:17:27] » We thought you guys were getting a longer one. So,

[1:17:30] » we'd like to be because we do have a lot of stuff. I mean, this is a big project

[1:17:34] » and we appreciate and we want to >> You guys are I mean, we can try and

[1:17:38] hammer in all this stuff tonight. The windows that we're proposing to take out

[1:17:41] are metal framed uh metal framed windows that we'd like to replace with wood

[1:17:47] frame that that coincides with what your standards are. The the the building

[1:17:52] entirely, I don't know how it's gotten as many aspects of it through this

[1:17:57] process, but we're genuinely trying to uh not make it historic, but but make it

[1:18:04] what you want it to be. Um, there are AC units that are just randomly stuck in

[1:18:13] the walls. When you go inside, now that everything's exposed, there are door

[1:18:18] exterior doorways that are just boarded up that were inside the wall. if if you

[1:18:25] were to take if you were to see what what it is and what we're trying to do.

[1:18:30] Um there there is a lot more to it. But um

[1:18:36] some the wall some of the walls that like that parapit wall that we're like

[1:18:40] we'll probably want to replace the entire wall uh and then fac and then you

[1:18:47] know fix the facade to match what we're talking about. But we're still talking

[1:18:53] with structural engineers to that are letting us know there are four different

[1:18:57] types of of block that that wall in that you know it's been built on and built

[1:19:03] on. There is a doorway that's been sealed up and two AC units, you know,

[1:19:08] and the window is so randomly placed, >> you know, it's we're we're trying to

[1:19:14] coincide with with what you guys want, but we're also trying to make it as

[1:19:17] appealing in a building uh as we possibly can that that suits uh what

[1:19:23] we're trying to to do as a business. Can I just ask a question real quick of

[1:19:28] Amanda? for that front pair that this this and the front with that top it

[1:19:34] seems like even what Bill brought up there's two options for it either you ra

[1:19:38] so because right now it's two steps two steps and it was going to go to two

[1:19:42] steps one step but the options are you go to one step and one step and and

[1:19:47] raise the front brick work up or you raise the overall structure up to go to

[1:19:51] two steps and two steps is there a preferred like I don't I I don't know of

[1:19:56] any when this place was built what it looked like we really have anything to

[1:20:00] even go back to what was there, right? >> Original photos unless Bill Lamont has

[1:20:05] something buried over there somewhere. But I

[1:20:09] » my my understanding is it was the original firehouse for the villa. Like

[1:20:14] » I have zero information related to that. Like no,

[1:20:18] » we don't either. And we've tried we've tried to figure out [laughter]

[1:20:21] » but you can I'm I'm telling you you could stand in you go that was that's a

[1:20:25] different building than this. You know, it's it's

[1:20:29] some kind of shock like a and then the other side was a auto repair, right? The

[1:20:34] first part I feel like the original piece

[1:20:36] » it and then it went over and then back back.

[1:20:39] » It's Yeah, speculation but similar to [clears throat] the tin shop that was

[1:20:45] across the street here that was added on to and is now a residence. It was

[1:20:49] probably something similar to that where it was like a a shop like you're talking

[1:20:54] like they they fixed things they did they they

[1:20:58] » tinker >> shopped. Yeah. [laughter] And then they

[1:21:01] just like expanded and added and then added some other businesses that

[1:21:05] complemented. That's speculating of what the development of that bu building

[1:21:10] probably was. Um, >> I would gladly go as high as you want

[1:21:15] with as many steps as you want on the parapit, but I'll probably have to

[1:21:19] rebuild that wall. And if I if I have to rebuild that wall, I in replacing the

[1:21:26] windows, I I I feel like situating the window in

[1:21:30] a in a better place that complements the building as the walls down. It's not

[1:21:36] going to I I don't know how that changes the historic value of that wall. We did

[1:21:42] some of that with the Franklin where we moved a couple windows around and we

[1:21:45] took a window out and we put a window in just because of where where the one of

[1:21:49] the windows was is where the back of the back of the freezer

[1:21:52] » or it was in the wrong spot >> and where you situate something inside

[1:21:56] like a you really don't want a window >> right there.

[1:22:01] We're not We We We've sat and looked at this building for

[1:22:07] hours and hours trying trying to figure out the best way and and trust me, the

[1:22:14] first drawings that we wanted to hand you months ago was was wildly different.

[1:22:18] And we just knew uh that we we knew that it wasn't what you guys would recognize,

[1:22:25] but also wasn't the best thing for the building. We're trying to make those

[1:22:29] decisions the right way. We're not trying to drastically change things.

[1:22:33] We're just trying to hide the roof with a parapit. You know, if the wall's gone

[1:22:38] and and we're going to put in a a new window, why not put the window where it

[1:22:43] should be to in complimenting if and and we have to take the window

[1:22:49] out anyway because it's metal, you know, it's metal framed and you want a wood,

[1:22:53] you know, wood pane window or wood frame window.

[1:22:55] » Question on the brick real quick. is are we think it's going to look like the

[1:22:59] like Lisa's place by the time we're said and done

[1:23:02] » that's Can I >> say something about the windows. So if

[1:23:07] the original window was metal then that's the historic window. We don't

[1:23:14] want to replace that with wood. >> The original tote.

[1:23:18] » So when I replace the window because because they're paper thin like they're

[1:23:23] not energy efficient windows. I have to replace them the, you know, so when a a

[1:23:30] guest is sitting next to the window, I it's it's comfortable.

[1:23:35] So I I have to replace it for energy efficient reasons. Do I replace it now

[1:23:41] with a wood or with a metal because I don't know if it's original or when it

[1:23:45] would at what point in construction or remodeling it was installed. So,

[1:23:51] » if you have a if every window window that you want to replace is a different

[1:23:57] window, you need to bring us pictures and show us what is there and what

[1:24:03] you're going to replace it with. Because if you have original metal

[1:24:07] casement windows in there, those are historic windows. Those can't that's

[1:24:12] that's not something that we want to have moved. I I'm the consultant.

[1:24:19] » No, I understand. I'm only going off of >> I'm only going off of the guidelines

[1:24:24] that I've read >> deep and then that says I have to have

[1:24:27] wood, you know. >> So,

[1:24:29] » this is great information. This is this is learning for me.

[1:24:33] » If if it's wood originally, you want to replace you and you want to replace it,

[1:24:37] you have to replace it with wood, right? >> So, when you say originally, it's just

[1:24:41] what's there now. >> Um well, that's what we we why we need

[1:24:46] to see what is there now. If every window that you want to replace is

[1:24:51] different. >> Are they all metal?

[1:24:52] » Regardless, no one. >> So regardless of consistency through the

[1:24:57] building, it's what's there now in this section stays and then what's there now

[1:25:02] in this section is different but stays and then like there there are

[1:25:06] » possibly >> it would depend on what's there. See,

[1:25:11] we're not, you know, when we have a homeowner here, all their windows are

[1:25:18] are probably the same. >> The house was built at the same time.

[1:25:22] » Your building, >> like we've been talking about has been

[1:25:26] pieced together. So to for for the HC to be able to determine what materials that

[1:25:35] you have are historic materials and should be um restored rather than

[1:25:43] replaced if possible. Then they would have to see what is there. So if if the

[1:25:49] windows that you want to replace are all the same then [clears throat] show us

[1:25:53] one. >> Sure. My question is is again just

[1:25:56] consistency and in restoring it historically to what era,

[1:26:03] » right? >> I mean

[1:26:06] almost

[1:26:12] » we've done >> the air conditioner doesn't work.

[1:26:15] » It might make it easier. >> It's pretty welcome to be

[1:26:19] » you proposing to move. >> It would be useful though. take out and

[1:26:25] brick over a bunch of windows and to move doors, to add doors, um doors,

[1:26:34] windows, openings, fenestration, egress,

[1:26:38] exit, entry, those are huge things for the secretary of interior when it comes

[1:26:44] to historic buildings. where your openings are. It It says something about

[1:26:53] the building. And so it sounds like your building has had lots of openings

[1:27:02] [laughter] over the years. And what ever has been

[1:27:07] done before this group of people was here to

[1:27:15] see experience? No, it has not been documented well enough for us to be able

[1:27:23] to keep a trail of what historic changes are.

[1:27:27] But you also have the you also have the power to allow us to bring it to a

[1:27:31] consistent I mean >> right the metal there's a metal door

[1:27:35] that's a hollow core aluminum door that you can get at Lowe's right you know uh

[1:27:41] » that's not his >> right what without knowing what is there

[1:27:46] we can't make a good decision about whether or not that should be replaced

[1:27:50] » what do people usually do in these meetings like you do you usually go on

[1:27:53] site like how what's the usual process you submit pictures.

[1:27:57] » Okay. You want a picture? >> We need a picture of what you want to

[1:28:02] take out. If you want to remove an element, you need to show us what you

[1:28:05] want to remove. >> I'm I We really thought we were

[1:28:08] following that. >> No, this is a really good It's a really

[1:28:11] good stab at it. >> But for the Franklin, we had each

[1:28:14] individual window came before us with a page. Here's what the window is. Here's

[1:28:18] what we're doing. Anyway, actually I think when we went through and did that

[1:28:21] motion, we actually listed off every single window and door and change in the

[1:28:26] motion and the changes like that we made were already had been were like

[1:28:31] reverting back in many ways. Yes, we moved some windows, but it was to revert

[1:28:35] back and it fit their overall plan. So, it wasn't changing overly changing

[1:28:38] character that way. >> I have been in the building.

[1:28:42] » Yeah. >> Lucky for quite a while. Mhm.

[1:28:45] » Steve and I went through it and I think whoever suggested that you go through

[1:28:51] the building was an awesome suggestion because sitting here

[1:28:56] » you just can't get in your mind. Even if I had photos,

[1:29:02] » we'd like a field trip of what he's trying to study. [laughter]

[1:29:05] » I think what so for your timeline like what's crucial is the roofit.

[1:29:10] » What's crucial is the roof and then >> the brick is I mean would you guys want

[1:29:16] do you guys want to start removing the paint on the brick? It's right side

[1:29:20] windows, >> right?

[1:29:21] » Windows you guys want to move on >> also with the brick. We would love for

[1:29:25] the brick to look like across the street.

[1:29:28] » Yeah. >> If it can't Well, we can

[1:29:30] » we'll paint we'll paint it. >> We'll paint it. We should the same

[1:29:33] colors we need more information about the brick

[1:29:38] and the process that you're going to use.

[1:29:42] » And and you mentioned a sealant. So, like we we would not you guys would not

[1:29:47] be able to approve anything being done to the brick without them coming forth

[1:29:51] with telling you what the process to remove the paint is and what that

[1:29:55] sealant is going to be. >> We do too. Yeah,

[1:29:58] » we but we have to submit this weeks ago and our discovery since submitting this

[1:30:04] a lot has changed >> and so we're we're we're continually

[1:30:07] learning about this turd that uh >> anyone in the market [laughter]

[1:30:14] » and as we as we do as we do >> as we do we adapt and I've met with Bill

[1:30:20] multiple times and and we've adapted from those meetings and and the

[1:30:24] discovery points out new directions. So Yeah,

[1:30:28] » another suggest >> we didn't look.

[1:30:29] » Yeah, >> rather than waiting a whole another

[1:30:31] month, can we get something on the calendar to like go do a site visit with

[1:30:35] them? >> I would love to do that.

[1:30:37] » I think that's a great idea. >> Not part of the meeting. Um

[1:30:41] » because I don't want to get too far into where the weather is starting to change.

[1:30:45] » That is so helpful for us to at least know that there are certain things that

[1:30:49] are like a hard metal, right? >> Certain things. And then we can all do a

[1:30:52] walkthrough together and you guys can point to us and one person can be

[1:30:56] designated to take photos. >> Yep.

[1:30:58] » I'd be happily would do it, you know, and then we can go through and document

[1:31:02] everything together. >> It'd have to be a special meeting,

[1:31:06] right? Because >> you have to do as a special meeting to

[1:31:10] make sure that we're compliant. >> I would suggest that or appoint a

[1:31:15] subcommittee to go do that. >> Okay.

[1:31:18] » Okay. There's a possibility. But the other thing is if you have a

[1:31:23] subcommittee, they have to report back to each one of you and or all of you

[1:31:27] have to be there at the same time because you can't have uh different

[1:31:32] information being presented at different times.

[1:31:34] » Well, how many people on the panel have to be present?

[1:31:38] » How what's the sub what's the definition of a subcommittee?

[1:31:40] » Less than yeah, it's less than three people. Three people normally is a good

[1:31:45] sub. That's what I was wondering. >> We will bring really good coffee.

[1:31:49] [laughter]

[1:31:51] snacks. >> What about the wine tasting though?

[1:31:56] » Andrea, come on. All right. >> How about this?

[1:32:01] » So, we need we need three three of us to go to the location.

[1:32:09] » Yeah. >> Soon. And I vote that Mr. Finham is one

[1:32:15] of those people because >> he's got um

[1:32:18] » Thank you. >> He he has that level of expertise. The

[1:32:21] the rest of us do not. Um >> Angie has volunteered to take

[1:32:26] photographs and do some documentation. >> Thank you.

[1:32:29] » And then um there's one additional you. >> No, I've already been in so

[1:32:36] » I would I wouldn't want to go back either.

[1:32:38] » Is there another volunteer? >> Do you want to go?

[1:32:40] » I I can go. >> Okay.

[1:32:42] » All right. Since you're in charge. >> Since I'm in charge. [laughter]

[1:32:46] » I don't feel like I'm in charge, but like I'm in I'm in charge. Okay. So,

[1:32:49] » I know that you guys are limiting it to a subcommittee, but is the more of you

[1:32:53] that could come and >> this is the official time.

[1:32:57] » You can only take less than a quorum. A quorum start meeting again. There's

[1:33:03] there's regulations on why you can't. >> Well, we How about another suggestion is

[1:33:06] we could divide it up into two different groups of three since Alex has already

[1:33:10] gone. And >> just shoot me a shoot me a text. I'll

[1:33:12] meet you there. >> We can have informal visitors, can we

[1:33:17] not? We can have three there committee. >> Your back to who gets what information

[1:33:22] it's true. >> Okay.

[1:33:23] » So, we all got to come together at one time,

[1:33:25] » right? So, >> as long as everybody that goes promises

[1:33:29] not to talk to these people at all, they just walk in and look.

[1:33:34] » [laughter]

[1:33:37] » But conversations between the applicant and individual members

[1:33:42] » is typically not allowed when you have a public meeting uh arrangement such as

[1:33:48] this meeting. >> All right. So we need to have a

[1:33:51] subcommittee visit >> preferably by Is everyone available on

[1:33:56] the 9th? >> Yeah.

[1:33:58] » Tuesday. >> Next Wednesday's birthday.

[1:34:00] » Okay. Um, we don't have to have it on a Wednesday. [snorts]

[1:34:04] Uh, the 10th, 9th or 10th or 10th of September. Are

[1:34:09] you available? >> 100%. I

[1:34:14] » cancel that trip to Europe. >> Oh jeez.

[1:34:17] » I'm just kidding. You're >> kidding. Okay.

[1:34:18] » I live 8 minutes away. You text me and I'm

[1:34:20] » want to play with

[1:34:25] pictures. >> All right. We can send the pictures

[1:34:27] ahead of time. T. Uh, we have a substitution.

[1:34:33] » Congratulations. >> What? What time?

[1:34:36] » What can we do? Do you have soccer? >> Could it be this week?

[1:34:40] » Could it be this week? >> Next week.

[1:34:42] » It does not have to be next week. >> Um,

[1:34:46] there's only two days left this week. >> Are you done?

[1:34:49] » I'm leaving. I'm not I mean, it's Labor Day weekend, right? So,

[1:34:52] » Oh, you're right. >> What about tomorrow?

[1:34:54] » Perfect. >> I'm available tomorrow. Tomorrow, too.

[1:34:57] Who's available tomorrow? >> What time?

[1:34:59] » Uh after work or early morning. >> I can go in early morning. I can go

[1:35:07] early morning. >> Okay. Early morning.

[1:35:11] [laughter] >> Is that Is that before?

[1:35:13] » I could do the morning too. >> Not before 10.

[1:35:17] » Not before 10. >> Well,

[1:35:19] » 10 it is. >> 10 it is.

[1:35:21] » Who's going? >> Uh we I can do it. How early?

[1:35:24] » We can do it at >> 10. 10. 10 is 10. Is 10 okay?

[1:35:28] » 10. Okay. Yeah, 10's great. >> 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

[1:35:31] » I can do 10 tomorrow. I can do that. >> She's back in. Okay. Perfect.

[1:35:35] » So, sub commmittee members, Angie, Laura, Bill.

[1:35:39] » I only have until 11:30. Is that going to be okay?

[1:35:41] » Yeah, that'll be >> You won't want to be there an hour and a

[1:35:43] half. >> 10:00. [laughter]

[1:35:44] » You won't be in there very long. I'm going to tell I'll just

[1:35:47] » we will so that is a subcommittee for this project and then we need to have

[1:35:54] » another meeting about this before the next scheduled meeting or

[1:35:58] » um no I think whatever you get there to each one of your members at that

[1:36:05] point. >> Okay.

[1:36:07] » Um before the meeting but >> but we need to at least do a motion

[1:36:12] tonight for the parapit roof. >> Yes.

[1:36:15] that >> I mean if that's what you want to do

[1:36:18] then yes whatever whatever you're approving tonight has to come in the

[1:36:21] form of a motion >> understand that um

[1:36:23] » but I I think you should also make a motion to have this subcommittee meeting

[1:36:28] and get the board to say yeah okay we all agree with that

[1:36:31] » it's just appropriate >> a motion for the subcommittee a motion

[1:36:34] for the parapet >> correct

[1:36:35] » but the parapet doesn't want to move a window

[1:36:37] » he that's the problem with the parapet they want to move windows

[1:36:42] » so that we we have not that's a whole bag of something.

[1:36:47] » Can we start Can we um can we do recline without do the parapit without approving

[1:36:52] the window change >> and so so they can start their engine?

[1:36:55] » Yes, he wants to put in a he wants to put in a window if he has to rebuild the

[1:36:59] wall which he's contemplates he may have to do. Is that right?

[1:37:03] » Can you approve the parade under the presumption that we don't move the wall

[1:37:08] and then if we do have to move the wall that

[1:37:12] we can do that >> and Bill, I think your preference is to

[1:37:16] have more steps in it.

[1:37:21] Bill, >> your preference is more steps in the

[1:37:24] parapit. >> That's my

[1:37:29] question about that. >> If I may,

[1:37:31] » the wall that we're talking about putting windows in, there is one

[1:37:36] offplaced window. Uh, but that wall is not being replaced. So, that's an

[1:37:41] actually a CMU wall. it that has brick on the outside, a brick facade. Uh but

[1:37:49] that's not one. Uh if you go further towards the back, those are the walls

[1:37:54] that are structurally not sound. >> So all we need really need to prove

[1:37:58] tonight is the steps in the front for how high that if we're going to go up

[1:38:02] » just the parapit to cover the roof >> roof line. So you guys can finish off

[1:38:05] the roof line without it being shown from the front facade

[1:38:07] » and that. So >> so Bill has a suggestion for that.

[1:38:12] My suggestion is I I don't think it should be higher because it is what it

[1:38:18] is now. It steps and it ends. I think that you might introduce a step

[1:38:25] or two farther back as the roof is going down.

[1:38:30] Introduce a step before you get to the old part of the the old wall.

[1:38:37] Um maybe after the the two windows,

[1:38:43] » assuming you >> end up with the window.

[1:38:46] » Yeah. So the drawing that you're looking at with the yellow line

[1:38:49] » Yeah. >> that yellow line can be adjusted in any

[1:38:52] any way because as long as that diagonal line that is just below it, which is the

[1:38:58] new roof line, >> right?

[1:39:00] » That's all we're trying to disguise. We're not trying to change the

[1:39:02] aesthetic. you really however many steps that we

[1:39:06] want to put in that co that >> that looks the same. We just want to

[1:39:10] cover that roof that diagonal roof line. >> So Mr. Finikum something like where it

[1:39:17] has a step up step up and then over a step down and then halfway back put

[1:39:22] another step down. >> Yeah, exactly like that.

[1:39:24] » And then you just run it all the way back across.

[1:39:25] » Keep going. >> So you have the two steps in front and

[1:39:28] then you're delaying the second step in the back part. the middle step or the

[1:39:33] Wait. >> So,

[1:39:35] » so you leave the two steps over here. >> Yeah. Oh, two.

[1:39:38] » I I drew on it, but you leave the two steps here,

[1:39:41] » but then you put your second down over there. Yeah.

[1:39:45] Down here and carry this straight all that

[1:39:51] up here when when the roof is too high. >> That is weird that you didn't

[1:39:56] » farther back out.

[1:40:00] It's fine. wasn't brain. >> Oh, that is weird. Oh, that is where

[1:40:05] [laughter] >> Sorry.

[1:40:08] » Like, yeah, it's not exist. >> I had to reorder it, but yeah.

[1:40:11] » I mean, I don't blame >> basically.

[1:40:14] This is the existing. >> If they don't bring it up, you can

[1:40:20] almost >> Yeah. Then you can cover

[1:40:23] this building's been added on to so many.

[1:40:25] » Can I take a picture of what you >> when you get inside? It's almost

[1:40:28] continuous. It's you're going to raise this up, but it's almost this part right

[1:40:32] here stays lower. So, you come all the way back this way and then where this

[1:40:37] drops down now, >> you almost you raise your roof all the

[1:40:41] way across, but you're mimicking almost what you already have.

[1:40:44] » You're just making that a little bit taller. You're bringing that up.

[1:40:47] [laughter]

[1:40:55] » But it's almost like you're mimicking what's already there.

[1:40:58] So yeah, however you do that.

[1:41:02] » How do we That's what they're going to do.

[1:41:05] » We need to keep the original >> but raise it by

[1:41:13] does that accurately represent what

[1:41:18] you should

[1:41:21] [laughter] a little bit of like taking away the

[1:41:32] that we had to put like

[1:41:45] » I just want to point out this is what it looks like right now where it does the

[1:41:48] double step then it steps that steps and then you continue. So they're raising

[1:41:51] all this up >> if they continue with some

[1:41:55] » they continue with the steps that are there somewhat similar look in there.

[1:42:00] » You're you're [clears throat] doing >> you're just carrying the two all the way

[1:42:03] back.

[1:42:08] » Yeah. Yeah. It's going to come up no matter. Okay.

[1:42:10] » But there [clears throat] will be took the wall down.

[1:42:14] » What his recommendation put it on the record. What was the

[1:42:21] » picture? So, they're still popping up right there.

[1:42:23] » The previous the previous owner had >> years ago there was a drive.

[1:42:31] » All right. So, >> this is a state.

[1:42:34] » All right. >> Let's talk about let's talk let's talk

[1:42:38] about the motion we're going to make today. And the motion should be to

[1:42:42] establish a subcommittee to go visit the site and uh look at u the elements that

[1:42:49] are under concern consistent with the plan that's been

[1:42:53] submitted so far so we can all sort of get on the same page with respect to all

[1:42:58] of the work that you want to happen there. Um so that'll be number one.

[1:43:02] Number two will be to approve

[1:43:07] the raising of the roof consistent with the drawing submitted

[1:43:15] in addition but in addition to the the parapet as Mr. Finikum has uh sketched

[1:43:23] it on his um >> we'll put his piece of paper in your

[1:43:27] piece of paper >> I'll take your piece of paper out there

[1:43:29] and date it. >> Okay. Uh, so I'm not making the motion,

[1:43:32] but someone should make >> two motions.

[1:43:34] » It's It's one mo It's one motion. >> Is it one or two? Is it is it one

[1:43:38] motion? >> Should it be two motion?

[1:43:39] » Should be two. >> Two motions.

[1:43:41] » Thanks, Bill. I'll make a motion that we create a subcommittee of three

[1:43:45] individuals uh trustees Witty Nagel and Finickham to go to the um 32716 through

[1:43:54] 32744 uh to review the interior to gain a

[1:43:59] better understanding for the entire historic district committee to meet in

[1:44:03] the foreseeable meet in the future at some point or multiple times.

[1:44:07] » Okay. Do we have a second to that motion?

[1:44:09] » Second. >> Okay. All in favor?

[1:44:11] » I. [clears throat] >> Okay. Next motion.

[1:44:14] » Uh for I'll do this one, too. For the property at uh 32716 through 32744

[1:44:22] Franklin Road facade renovations uh undated in here. um that we are going

[1:44:29] to approve the raising of the parapet or uh in the front the brick work in front

[1:44:37] uh to match the drawings as submitted with the application

[1:44:41] except for a modification as amended and proposed by Mr. finum um on it

[1:44:49] » on the south wall uh to add in where there's two steps in front and one step

[1:44:55] uh behind adding an additional second step halfway along um the drawing parade

[1:45:02] picture that was taken during the meeting and his booklet

[1:45:08] that we're going to preserve. But along the line to preserve some of the the two

[1:45:13] steps as it goes towards the back and preserve some of the the current

[1:45:17] structural >> Okay. Um accepted from that approval are

[1:45:20] any um window

[1:45:24] or door changes. Okay. Um everyone in favor

[1:45:28] » sorry. Is there a second? Sorry. Second. >> I second.

[1:45:31] » Everyone in favor? >> I I

[1:45:34] » thank you. >> Okay. Thank you for your patience. May I

[1:45:37] make a comment about front doors that we need

[1:45:42] » the um >> canopies

[1:45:46] » the I have this feeling in deja vu that

[1:45:52] there I used to be on the six allowance

[1:45:57] for 16 years but 20 years ago. Um, and I think that that came in front of us and

[1:46:03] it was they were arched awnings that were taken off and that those things put

[1:46:07] off. So I think it's that particular element is

[1:46:13] getting put back into place or what used to be there.

[1:46:16] » I I looked at those today on the way over here and I can they definitely look

[1:46:20] very much later um additions to that they're much to that front.

[1:46:25] » And was was one missing? Has they always just been

[1:46:28] » there? Whatever's there is there. Um, when you look at it, they're on top of

[1:46:32] that brick work that is detailed that you can tell that that was not the

[1:46:35] original. >> So, that's interesting. If there's

[1:46:37] anyone who can find >> an older photo of this building, that

[1:46:43] would be >> really helpful um to all of our

[1:46:47] understanding. And um maybe Bill Lamont has one.

[1:46:53] » Yeah, >> I'll look in my old Franklin book. Maybe

[1:46:56] there's a picture in there. There's parade pictures throughout the years.

[1:47:00] » Can I Can I ask that if you do find those, we'd love to have them as well?

[1:47:04] » Sure. >> Historical society.

[1:47:06] » The historical historical museum and society is a great wealth of

[1:47:09] » information for the village. >> So, a good call.

[1:47:12] » All right. So, thank you for your patience tonight. I

[1:47:17] know we moved you to the >> um to the bottom. So, uh, I appreciate

[1:47:23] that and we're trying to get you rolling on your project as quickly as we can. We

[1:47:27] know you have a lot of money and time and feelings wrapped up in this whole

[1:47:32] thing, even though you've got a real challenge on your hands. So, um, thank

[1:47:36] you for working with us and >> No, thank you. I mean, as much help as

[1:47:40] we can get for you. We look at you guys as advisors as much as

[1:47:44] » critique. So, uh, >> great.

[1:47:46] » Yeah. Thank Thank you. >> Mhm. We'll see you guys at 10 tomorrow.

[1:47:54] Oh, shoot. >> Oh, we did not adjourn yet. Um,

[1:47:57] actually, and we do have a motion to add some some old business onto next the

[1:48:04] next meeting's agenda. >> Um, that

[1:48:08] hasn't come up. So, >> so we want to do a motion to add an old

[1:48:12] business section for a Van Avery update, uh, the Carol Street windows update, and

[1:48:19] then any feedback on the historical study committee stuff from council and

[1:48:23] whether we and we have to start talking about uh, three the three targeted items

[1:48:28] that we need to publish, right? >> And maybe we need to make a subcommittee

[1:48:33] for that as well. So, >> okay. Uh is there is there a second

[1:48:38] » to that motion? Everyone in favor? I >> I I Okay. Uh special meeting for these

[1:48:45] people prior to the >> Are we

[1:48:49] do we need to have a special meeting for these individuals

[1:48:53] before? Okay. No, >> that's not all right.

[1:48:57] » No new business. We're done with our business. I move that we adjourn the

[1:49:00] meeting. It is about >> 8:49.

[1:49:03] » Yes. Sorry. Is there any update on the um what do we call it schooling

[1:49:11] our tutorial? >> Oh, right. That is a good point. Um

[1:49:15] she's not been in touch with me. I mean that can be added as

[1:49:19] » item D. >> Item D. Um bring up uh education from

[1:49:25] the historic preser. Is it historic? No, it's shipped

[1:49:28] » historic district commissioner training from the

[1:49:33] » Okay. I'd like to bring that up again and see if we can get that scheduled.

[1:49:38] But maybe we should so we don't forget about it. Put it on as old business

[1:49:41] because we did talk about it >> sort of off the record before. So maybe

[1:49:45] it's not old business. >> Is it a modification of the motion?

[1:49:48] We're never getting

[1:49:53] » um should it be an item or should we just make that happen? You just make

[1:49:56] » We're just going to make that happen. Okay.

[1:49:58] » Say I can always email Evan and say, "Hey, can you add an item for me to have

[1:50:04] some discussion items?" And that could be one of my discussion items.

[1:50:07] » Perfect. [laughter] Okay, that's good. All right. Did we Did we approve the

[1:50:10] motion? Yes. Okay. So, uh, no new business. We're going to adjourn. It is

[1:50:15] 8:50 p.m. Do I have a second on that? >> I don't need that. Okay.

[1:50:21] » Yeah, >> they were ajourned.

[1:50:23] » You need a gamble is what you need. Where did that happen?

[1:50:25] » All right.

Village of Franklin Historic District Commission Meeting on September 2, 2026

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