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[3:17] >> mayor: good morning,

[3:25] everyone.

[3:25] welcome to the gainesville cit

[3:27] y

[3:28] commission.

[3:28] as we speak, there are three

[3:30] americans and a canadian on

[3:32] their way to the moon from

[3:36] florida.

[3:36] from right here in the sunshine

[3:38]

[3:38] state.

[3:38] one of those americans is a

[3:41] black man piloting the ship.

[3:43] one is a woman for the first

[3:46] time, it's the first time a

[3:48] black man or a woman have gone

[3:50]

[3:50] to the moon.

[3:50] we should take note of this, and

[3:52]

[3:52] it gives me hope that if we as

[3:55] a

[3:56] nation and a world are able to

[3:58]

[3:59] send people to the moon --

[4:00] again, from the sunshine state,

[4:01]

[4:02] not anywhere else, that we can

[4:04]

[4:04] do some great things for our

[4:07] folks right here in this room

[4:08]

[4:08] today.

[4:08] madam clerk?

[4:10] >> mr. Mayor, we have the

[4:12] invocation, given by reverend

[4:22]

[4:22] katherine dearlove.

[4:23] >> thank you.

[4:24] I invite you to pray or reflect

[4:28]

[4:28] with me.

[4:28] let's pause for a moment of

[4:30] reflection.

[4:30] grounding ourselves in the

[4:37] shared reason that brings us

[4:39] today.

[4:39] we come from many shared

[4:43] experiences, some of us name t

[4:44] he

[4:44] sacred as god, the spirit,

[4:46] creator or source of life.

[4:47] some of us find meaning in hum

[4:50] an

[4:50] connection and justice and

[4:52] compassion.

[4:52] or in the quiet wisdom of

[4:55] conscience.

[4:55] whatever our path, we are united

[4:58]

[4:58] in the responsibility serving

[4:59]

[4:59] the common good.

[4:59] may this gathering be guided b

[5:05] y

[5:06] wisdom.

[5:06] the wisdom to weigh decisions

[5:10]

[5:10] carefully, and seek

[5:11] understanding even in

[5:12] disagreement.

[5:12] may we be guided by courage, t

[5:18] he

[5:18] courage to act with integrity.

[5:20]

[5:20] to stand for what is right and

[5:22]

[5:22] just.

[5:22] and to make decisions that ser

[5:24] ve

[5:24] not only the present but the

[5:25] future.

[5:25] may we be guided by compassion

[5:34] ,

[5:35] that every policy, every

[5:36] discussion, every vote touches

[5:38]

[5:38] the lives of the real people I

[5:40] n

[5:40] our community.

[5:40] especially those whose voices

[5:43]

[5:43] are too often unheard.

[5:44] and may we be guided by

[5:47] humility, recognizing that non

[5:48] e

[5:48] of us holds all the answers, b

[5:56] ut

[5:56] together we can move through a

[5:58]

[5:58] more just and inclusive and

[6:00] thriving community.

[6:01] in this spirit, let the work

[6:04] begin today with open minds,

[6:07] steady hearts and a dedication

[6:09]

[6:09] to the well being of all.

[6:10] amen.

[6:10] >> mayor: thank you, pastor.

[6:19] >> we are on to the agenda, we

[6:23]

[6:23] have the update list on the

[6:24] screen.

[6:24] >> mayor: commissioner willit

[6:33] s?

[6:33] >> I'd like to pull 2026-024 -

[6:46] -

[6:46] >> what number?

[6:47] >> number ten on the consent.

[6:50] >> let's move that to item one

[6:52]

[6:52] on the morning.

[6:53] >> that sounds good.

[6:54] >> s

[6:55] changes.

[6:55] >> mayor: before we move on.

[7:04] is there public comment?

[7:05] >> there is no public comment.

[7:07]

[7:07] >> I would point out to you tha

[7:09] t

[7:09] on the consent agenda, are a

[7:15] multiplicity of items that the

[7:17]

[7:18] audit committee considered and

[7:21]

[7:22] passed on to us, if anyone has

[7:23]

[7:23] any questions about those, our

[7:24]

[7:25] city auditor is here, and I

[7:26] would encourage you to make tim

[7:28] e

[7:28] to speak with him offline.

[7:29] about that, they all received

[7:37]

[7:37] unanimous vote, all two of us,

[7:38]

[7:40] from the audit committee.

[7:40] I don't want those to go

[7:43] unnoticed.

[7:43] but I'm glad we can keep them

[7:45] the consent agenda to receive.

[7:49]

[7:49] that said, madam clerk, all in

[7:51]

[7:52] favor?

[7:52] >> aye.

[7:53] >> mayor: any opposed?

[7:54] that passes unanimously.

[7:55] >> mr. Mayor, 2026-234, oak par

[8:03] k

[8:03] public housing development

[8:11] disposition letter of support.

[8:11]

[8:11] for rehabilitation of oak park

[8:22]

[8:22] development in gainesville,

[8:22] florida.

[8:22] >> mayor: commissioner willits,

[8:26]

[8:26] you had the question?

[8:27] >> mr. Harris remind us abo

[8:31] what support we've provided to

[8:33]

[8:33] this project in particular,

[8:33] through gainesville housing.

[8:41] >> mayor: certainly.

[8:41] mr. Manager?

[8:42] >> good morning, mr. Mayor, to

[8:44]

[8:45] the commission.

[8:45] our support has been related t

[8:49] o

[8:49] our connect free funds as a par

[8:52] t

[8:52] of the sale applications.

[8:53] so it's a grant for 37,500, so

[8:57]

[8:57] they can apply for the sale

[8:59] program.

[8:59] >> okay, and this is a park

[9:02] which is going to be -- these

[9:04]

[9:04] are all single units.

[9:06] my understanding of, it's not

[9:08]

[9:08] our project, it's the

[9:11] gainesville housing authority'

[9:12] s

[9:15] product.

[9:15] >> if you don't mind, the

[9:18] developer is here, gha is here

[9:20] .

[9:20] I'm going to allow him to talk

[9:22]

[9:23] about the project.

[9:23] >> that was who I was looking

[9:26]

[9:26] for real quick.

[9:26] if you can give us the 30 second

[9:30]

[9:30] reminder.

[9:30] >> malcolm kynes.

[9:39] oak park is a six story

[9:43] development, off main street a

[9:47] nd

[9:47] 8th avenue.

[9:48] we have 1 two bedroom, 60

[9:53] studios and 401 bedroom units.

[9:56]

[9:56] this is a total redevelopment o

[9:58] f

[9:58] the oak park building.

[9:59] it needs a lot of love.

[10:01] it was -- I think it opened in

[10:03]

[10:03] 1968 or '69.

[10:05] and so you can imagine how many

[10:07]

[10:07] individuals and families that

[10:10]

[10:10] building has serviced over it'

[10:12] s

[10:13] 56 or so year life.

[10:15] total development costs are in

[10:16]

[10:16] the range, I don't want to

[10:19] misspeak, in the range of 38 t

[10:22] o

[10:22] $39 million of this developmen

[10:23] t.

[10:23] we have hired a relocation

[10:26] specialist, similar to our

[10:28] woodland park project, which

[10:29] will help enable those

[10:31] individuals to relocate.

[10:31] they will walk them through it

[10:33] ,

[10:34] they have certain rights

[10:35] assigned by the federal

[10:36] government, we ensure those

[10:38] folks are taken care of.

[10:39] once the building has been

[10:41] totally redeveloped.

[10:42] this letter is basically a

[10:45] letter saying that the city of

[10:47]

[10:48] gainesville supports us in

[10:49] redeveloping the property, and

[10:51]

[10:51] it's provided to hud, it's a

[10:53] form letter we sent over to th

[10:54] e

[10:54] manager's office.

[10:54] >> thanks.

[10:55] a few comments on this before w

[11:00] e

[11:00] move forward.

[11:00] we support gainesville housing

[11:02]

[11:03] authority in different ways,

[11:04] sometimes big chunks, sometimes

[11:06]

[11:06] small chunks.

[11:07] this is something that app

[11:08] for our larger chunk, affordabl

[11:12] e

[11:12] development housing funds that

[11:14]

[11:14] were leftover from arpa and to

[11:17]

[11:17] general fund.

[11:18] did not receive, but we did hav

[11:19] e

[11:19] at least the small amount.

[11:22] our community has a lot of

[11:24] expectations on how we spend o

[11:26] ur

[11:26] affordable housing dollars,

[11:28] there's currently some concerns

[11:29] ,

[11:29] I know that commissioner dunca

[11:31] n

[11:32] walker, speak of the devil --

[11:36]

[11:36] speak of the commissioner,

[11:37] excuse me.

[11:38] some on going concerns, maybe

[11:44]

[11:44] this is out of frustration,

[11:46] general housing crisis or at

[11:48] least tightness in the market,

[11:50]

[11:50] where below 100% of ami, we

[11:53] really need more units, more

[11:55] affordability, so that -- I

[11:57] think it's part of our --

[12:00] tension we're feeling, we're

[12:02] looking at all of our partners

[12:03]

[12:03] to achieve at their highest and

[12:05]

[12:06] best.

[12:06] but that also means not just

[12:08] the -- I'm a big fan of new

[12:11] units, existing units about the

[12:12]

[12:12] quality of them, and how peopl

[12:14] e

[12:14] live in those -- how our

[12:16] neighbors live in those homes,

[12:17] I

[12:17] want to bring it up as a conce

[12:20] rn

[12:20] of mine.

[12:21] and when we put our stamp of

[12:24] approval on the letter and cas

[12:25] h

[12:26] funds, the auditor, I spoke to

[12:29]

[12:29] the auditor recently about, how

[12:30]

[12:30] on some of our grant funding, w

[12:32] e

[12:32] don't have a strict policy abo

[12:34] ut

[12:34] the ability to audit, at least

[12:36]

[12:36] the funds we give of our

[12:38] nonprofit partners, that is

[12:40] something suggested by the

[12:41] auditors, something we need in

[12:43]

[12:44] every time we give money.

[12:47] because we are responsible for

[12:48]

[12:49] the money we give.

[12:49] to our taxpayers, to our

[12:52] residents, to our neighbors, I

[12:53]

[12:53] bring this up as a concern I'm

[12:55]

[12:55] hearing in the community about

[12:57]

[12:57] the long term relationship

[12:58] between the city and gainesvil

[13:00] le

[13:00] housing authority and that it

[13:02]

[13:02] goes forward.

[13:02] again, I say some of this to m

[13:05] y

[13:05] colleagues is about the tension

[13:06]

[13:06] we feel, the angst we feel,

[13:10] we're trying to figure out eve

[13:11] ry

[13:11] last thing we do, limited

[13:13] budget, but how we spend it wit

[13:15] h

[13:15] whom, which partners, we have

[13:17]

[13:17] several partners, some of them

[13:22]

[13:22] are private developers who we

[13:26]

[13:26] provide a substitute and it's a

[13:31]

[13:33] subsidy per door that brings t

[13:34] he

[13:34] prices down, even up to 120% of

[13:36]

[13:36] ami.

[13:36] mr. Kiner thank you for being

[13:41]

[13:41] here.

[13:41] it's a comment to my fellow

[13:44] commissioners how we spend our

[13:44]

[13:45] money.

[13:45] there's some concerns about the

[13:51]

[13:51] balance between having to keep

[13:53]

[13:53] enough money in all of our

[13:56] partners pockets so they can

[13:57] build new housing or do

[14:00] renovations, what happens in th

[14:01] e

[14:01] meantime between now and then.

[14:02]

[14:02] how our neighbors have to live

[14:04]

[14:04] w they're being serviced by who

[14:10] by whohey pay thr rent to.

[14:10] that's all I got.

[14:11] [ inaudible ]

[14:17] >> our board has challenged us

[14:19] ,

[14:19] we just completed a new

[14:21] strategic plan that will take u

[14:23] s

[14:23] from 2025 to 2030.

[14:25] has challenged us to bring bac

[14:27] k

[14:27] on line 600 housing

[14:30] opportunities.

[14:30] and an additional 100 through

[14:33]

[14:33] our instrumentality.

[14:34] that's our goal, we're

[14:35] aggressive pursuing that,

[14:36] through things like the choice

[14:38]

[14:38] program, and also through rfa'

[14:40] s

[14:42] at the state level

[14:46] >> mayor: very good.

[14:47] we have multiple lights,

[14:50] commissioner chestnut.

[14:50] >> this facility is in my

[14:55] neighborhood, and as I recall,

[14:56]

[14:56] the only thing that's been

[14:58] renovated there has been the

[14:59] parking lot.

[14:59] but it is in very dire need of

[15:05]

[15:05] renovation, and I think that t

[15:07] he

[15:07] residents totally welcome this

[15:11] .

[15:11] and it's the facility that has

[15:13] a

[15:13] mixture of residents, and I

[15:15] think that's what's very good

[15:16]

[15:16] about it as well.

[15:16] >> mayor: thank you,

[15:23] commissioner chestnut.

[15:25] >> how many units?

[15:26] >> it's 101 units.

[15:32] it's a 60/40 split between one

[15:35]

[15:35] bedrooms and studios.

[15:36] >> thank you.

[15:38] I missed your initial comments

[15:40] ,

[15:41] but I can certainly prern what

[15:43] I'

[15:43] I've heard thus far from my

[15:44] colleagues, I would like to ask

[15:47]

[15:47] this.

[15:47] when was the last time that we

[15:49]

[15:49] had a meeting with gha?

[15:52] was it about two years ago,

[15:55] three?

[15:55] >> spring of '23?

[15:58] >> it was april 4, 2023.

[16:02] >> april 4 of 2023.

[16:04] >> that was the date the

[16:06] decision came out for the

[16:07] choice.

[16:07] >> I would like to see us meet

[16:09] a

[16:09] little more frequently.

[16:10] >> no problem.

[16:11] >> I think there is -- clearly

[16:13]

[16:13] we field a lot of questions tha

[16:15] t

[16:15] we can't or shouldn't even

[16:17] attempt to answer, but also, I

[16:18] n

[16:18] light of our partnership, how I

[16:21] t

[16:21] may be expanding or what your

[16:23]

[16:23] desires are, I feel the need t

[16:25] o

[16:26] expand our opportunities to

[16:26] speak with you, so I am curious

[16:29]

[16:30] about my colleagues and what

[16:31] your thoughts are on maybe

[16:35] literally slid fig an annual

[16:37] meeting at least.

[16:37] maybe something in -- with roo

[16:40] m

[16:40] to do something every six month

[16:41] s

[16:41] or quarterly, if you want to.

[16:43] but I certainly would like to

[16:45]

[16:45] touch bases with gha on an

[16:49] annual basis.

[16:51] >> beginning as soon as

[16:53] possible?

[16:53] >> absolutely.

[16:53] and that will be a motion.

[16:55] >> mayor: would you like to

[16:56] include that with a motion for

[16:58]

[16:58] staff recommendation or --

[16:59] >> sure, let me refresh my

[17:02] memory on that.

[17:02] and as you see I'm just sittin

[17:05] g.

[17:05] thank you.

[17:06] so I move that the city

[17:15] commission authorize the mayor

[17:16]

[17:17] to send a letter supporting the

[17:18]

[17:19] gainesville housing authority'

[17:20] s

[17:20] application to the u.s.

[17:21] department of housing and urban

[17:23]

[17:23] development for the dispositio

[17:24] n

[17:25] and rehabilitation of the oak

[17:30]

[17:30] park development, and arrange

[17:32]

[17:32] for a meeting to take place at

[17:34]

[17:34] least annually with the gha to

[17:37]

[17:37] check in.

[17:38] >> second.

[17:38] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[17:40] a

[17:40] second.

[17:40] we have one more light, then

[17:43] we'll go to public comment.

[17:44] >> I support the development.

[17:47] clearly for oak park, it's in

[17:51]

[17:51] dire need as you said, mr.

[17:53] manager, I don't know who

[17:55] executes the letter, but the

[17:57] letter itself, very minor, it

[17:59]

[17:59] doesn't have language, it

[18:00] doesn't bring the full city

[18:02] commission behind it, just the

[18:03]

[18:03] mayor at this point.

[18:04] so whoever executes the letter

[18:06] ,

[18:06] make sure that will benefit gh

[18:09] a

[18:10] for an amendment to the

[18:12] template.

[18:12] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[18:13] >> thank you, commissioner book.

[18:15]

[18:15] >> I did too want to be specific

[18:18]

[18:18] in my comments about this

[18:20] particular development, thank

[18:21]

[18:21] you for your attention to it.

[18:22] I believe, and I said this

[18:27] before from the dais, that it

[18:28] is

[18:28] a beautiful facility.

[18:28] that needs some shining up, the

[18:34]

[18:34] atrium at the bottom is such a

[18:36] n

[18:36] asset.

[18:36] I can't wait to see what you a

[18:38] ll

[18:38] do with the greenery down ther

[18:40] e.

[18:40] I have obviously been through,

[18:43]

[18:44] and I've seen the severe need

[18:46]

[18:46] for the renovation, so I'm

[18:48] looking forward to that.

[18:49] mr. Kiner, can you speak to wha

[18:52] t

[18:52] we should expect.

[18:53] can you speak to what we should

[18:56]

[18:56] expect in terms of the overall

[18:57]

[18:58] renovation?

[18:58] >> we're taking down to the

[18:59] studs.

[18:59] >> okay, thank you.

[19:00] >> oak park needs love, it needs a lot

[19:08] a lot of love.

[19:08] we've dealt with a lot of

[19:09] systems issues.

[19:10] and it's hoard to keep up on

[19:14] sustaining maintenance on a

[19:15] property like that.

[19:15] we redid the parking lot, we p

[19:18] ut

[19:18] a new roof on it about 10 years

[19:20]

[19:21] ago, some exterior coating, but

[19:23]

[19:23] down to the studs, new elevator,

[19:26]

[19:26] every apartment, every community

[19:28]

[19:28] amenity will be redone.

[19:30] somewhere in the area of --

[19:32] between 39 and $40 so million o

[19:35] f

[19:35] redevelopment on oak park.

[19:37] new building, but good bones.

[19:39] just like you love the building,

[19:41]

[19:41] lovitz design, it just needs

[19:45] some love.

[19:46] >> every unit?

[19:47] >> every unit.

[19:48] >> I will say that you probabl

[19:51] y

[19:51] faced an issue with some water

[19:53]

[19:54] intrusion in there.

[19:55] >> we face many issues.

[19:56] >> I'm glad to hear we're going

[20:01]

[20:02] down to the studs.

[20:02] >> total redevelopment.

[20:03] >> thank you.

[20:05] >> mayor: commissioner eastman

[20:08] .

[20:08] >> it's in district 4, it's a

[20:12]

[20:12] great society era, '50s, '60s

[20:17]

[20:17] era.

[20:17] >> whatever, mid modern.

[20:20] >> '68 I believe it was built.

[20:22]

[20:22] >> it definitely needs some

[20:24] love.

[20:24] I'm glad to see you guys put

[20:28] some work into that.

[20:29] can we get a reread of what the

[20:31]

[20:31] motion was?

[20:32] I'm always happy to have joint

[20:33]

[20:35] conversations with other

[20:36] governmental bodies, I want to

[20:39]

[20:39] know what we're committing to.

[20:40]

[20:40] >> I can reread it, approve --

[20:44]

[20:45] as recommended and set a joint

[20:46]

[20:47] meeting for both boards to recu

[20:48] r

[20:48] annually.

[20:48] >> I am happy to have a joint

[20:55]

[20:55] meeting.

[20:55] I am more receipt sent to set u

[20:59] s

[20:59] up for something that we're now

[21:00]

[21:01] structuring for an annual

[21:03] amount, if there's something

[21:06] that's more ad-hoc if we have

[21:08]

[21:08] something to discuss.

[21:09] I don't think we really --

[21:11] setting this up for an annual

[21:13]

[21:13] meeting, I think might be a bit

[21:15]

[21:16] much at this particular time, a

[21:17] s

[21:17] opposed to scheduling a meeting

[21:21]

[21:21] in the future, is my only

[21:24] reticence about it.

[21:24] >> mayor: thank you.

[21:28] >> the gainesville housing

[21:31] authority has a number of

[21:34] facilities within its portfolio,

[21:36]

[21:36] and I think we would have a lot

[21:38]

[21:38] to talk about.

[21:38] they have a lot of new projects

[21:40]

[21:41] they're bringing online, I thi

[21:42] nk

[21:42] there's always one meeting per

[21:44]

[21:44] year.

[21:44] I don't think we'll struggle

[21:48] with an agenda.

[21:48] thank you.

[21:48] >> mayor: thank you.

[21:51] mr. Duncan walker?

[21:53] are there any public comment?

[21:56] >> no public comment.

[21:56] >> mayor: all in favor?

[21:59] >> aye.

[22:02] ma

[22:02] >> mayor: that passed

[22:04] unanimously.

[22:04] we will get that letter

[22:05] procsed as quily as

[22:06] possible.

[22:06] >> mr. Mayor, I did neglect to

[22:15]

[22:15] call for early public comment,

[22:17]

[22:18] but there is none, so we're mov

[22:21] e

[22:21] on to f1, 2026-164 discuss cit

[22:24] y

[22:26] manager recruitment time line.

[22:28]

[22:28] >> mayor: let me preface real

[22:30]

[22:30] quick.

[22:30] I appreciate you bringing this

[22:31]

[22:31] forward and look forward to my

[22:33]

[22:34] colleagues comments.

[22:34] I will say, as I have said

[22:40] before, it's going to cost us

[22:43]

[22:43] between 50,000 and $100,000 to

[22:45]

[22:46] do a search.

[22:49] and given the free state of

[22:58] florida, given lots and lots o

[23:03] f

[23:03] things, have a hard time

[23:06] believing we're going to spend

[23:07]

[23:07] $100,000 and come out with a

[23:09] different product than what we

[23:11]

[23:11] have in front of us right now.

[23:12]

[23:12] I do not believe this process I

[23:16] s

[23:16] necessary.

[23:16] I think we should stick with

[23:18] what we have, frankly.

[23:19] that's my thought, I wanted to

[23:22]

[23:22] preface that.

[23:22] >> good morning, laura gretz,

[23:27]

[23:27] human resources director of

[23:29] gainesville.

[23:29] happy to be before you today, a

[23:33] s

[23:33] you'll recall.

[23:34] sorry, let me grab this real

[23:36] quick.

[23:36] just a bit of background on

[23:38] october 20, 2025, mr. Andrew

[23:42] persons was named as the interim

[23:43]

[23:43] city manager by the commission

[23:45] .

[23:45] we met on october 23 of 2025 t

[23:50] o

[23:50] discuss what a recruitment

[23:53] search would like like if the

[23:54]

[23:54] commission opted to go in that

[23:56]

[23:57] direction.

[23:57] and during that meeting, we

[23:59] agreed to come back.

[23:59] it was in march, but we shifted

[24:03]

[24:03] it to this meeting, here we ar

[24:06] e

[24:06] april 2nd to discuss it.

[24:07] just a brief refresher on how w

[24:09] e

[24:09] got here.

[24:10] this is a reiteration of some o

[24:12] f

[24:12] the talking points that we

[24:14] discussed back in october.

[24:15] some of which -- some of the

[24:20] uncertainties may be a bit

[24:22] clearer is my best way to say

[24:23] that, but at the time, we had

[24:28]

[24:28] not received from the state of

[24:31]

[24:31] florida --

[24:32] [ inaudible ]

[24:32] and have some more insight fro

[24:34] m

[24:34] what their findings were.

[24:35] there was a gru referendum tha

[24:38] t

[24:38] was currently in litigation, I

[24:40] t

[24:40] remains in litigation, in

[24:41] addition to what we discussed I

[24:43] n

[24:43] october, as we're all well

[24:44] aware, there was some actual

[24:49] state legislation that has bee

[24:49] n

[24:50] passed by house and senate, but

[24:51]

[24:52] remains at the desk of the

[24:53] governor currently.

[24:54] we talked about the need for

[24:57] momentum and stability.

[24:57] and I think I heard a series o

[25:00] f

[25:01] meetings since mr. Persons too

[25:02] k

[25:02] on this role that that is

[25:04] something we've been able to s

[25:05] ee

[25:05] materialize.

[25:05] and as a reminder, and the may

[25:08] or

[25:08] just discussed that, there is a

[25:10]

[25:10] cost associated if you chose t

[25:12] o

[25:12] move forward with the

[25:14] recruitment, and could range

[25:15] anywhere from 22 to just shy o

[25:17] f

[25:17] $100,000.

[25:17] as a reminder, the process tak

[25:21] es

[25:21] 16 to 20 months.

[25:22] and when we had met back in

[25:25] october, we talked about

[25:29] consideration the budget

[25:29] preparation we do here at the

[25:31]

[25:31] city as well as upcoming

[25:33] commission elections in august

[25:34] .

[25:34] so I did not share this

[25:37] information at the last meetin

[25:38] g.

[25:38] and it's just a reminder to kin

[25:40] d

[25:40] of walk you through the

[25:43] different steps in the process,

[25:44]

[25:44] I think it will help in our nex

[25:46] t

[25:46] slide of discussion.

[25:47] the key point to remember is,

[25:52]

[25:52] it's about in the 3rd or 4th

[25:56] month when the commission would

[25:57]

[25:57] select candidates to bring

[25:59] forward and interview those

[26:01] candidates.

[26:01] I think that's relevant as we

[26:05]

[26:05] talk about the options.

[26:06] so in october.

[26:07] I just brought one visual for

[26:10]

[26:10] you all to consider.

[26:11] based on the discussions and

[26:13] comments from the commission

[26:14] october, I brought forth

[26:17] two options based on the

[26:19] feedback we were hearing when w

[26:21] e

[26:21] last met.

[26:22] option one looks at starting t

[26:25] he

[26:25] search in august.

[26:26] you can see our fiscal year for

[26:28]

[26:28] october, for fiscal year 27

[26:31] begins in october.

[26:32] and if there were runoff

[26:35] elections that would be needed

[26:36]

[26:36] that occur in november, it giv

[26:40] es

[26:40] a smidge of time for any

[26:45] commissioners to be part of th

[26:46] at

[26:46] final selection process.

[26:47] the second option is below,

[26:50] where commission elections occ

[26:54] ur

[26:54] in august.

[26:54] at that point if the comment

[26:57] commissioners are re-elected a

[26:59] nd

[26:59] there's no runoff needed we kno

[27:02] w

[27:02] who they are, and they can be

[27:04]

[27:04] part of the process from the

[27:06] beginning, if there are runoff

[27:07] s,

[27:07] they're able to be candidates a

[27:11] s

[27:11] part of the selection.

[27:12] so I will leave it to you all

[27:14] to

[27:14] discuss at this time.

[27:15] >> mayor: very good.

[27:17] thank you.

[27:17] commission eastman?

[27:19] >> thank you.

[27:20] mr. Mayor.

[27:22] so the -- so it -- the last cit

[27:31] y

[27:31] manager, we did a public search

[27:34]

[27:34] around 2020 --

[27:36] >> I believe it was for the

[27:37] acting city manager.

[27:38] >> yes, I'm just a little bit -

[27:41] -

[27:41] >> for the -- so cynthia curry

[27:46]

[27:46] came in, she had come in, I

[27:48] think we selected her, there w

[27:49] as

[27:49] not an active search for that,

[27:51]

[27:51] correct?

[27:51] >> yes, mayor and commissioner,

[27:54] I wasn't in this role at the

[27:56] time, I recall there was a

[27:58] search, I believe it was for t

[27:59] he

[27:59] acting position, and then miss

[28:02]

[28:02] curry was selected as the actin

[28:04] g

[28:04] city manager and was

[28:06] subsequently appointed after a

[28:07]

[28:07] period of time.

[28:07] >> okay, and then prior to that

[28:10] ,

[28:10] we did, we had an acting, but

[28:14]

[28:14] then we had a public search, I

[28:22] s

[28:22] that correct?

[28:22] >> I believe that's correct,

[28:23] yes.

[28:23] >> we ask all of our employees,

[28:26]

[28:26] I guess we have hr here.

[28:28] generally speaking for our

[28:30] employees, we do panels, public

[28:31]

[28:32] services, I'm sure there are

[28:33] instances where you may select

[28:34]

[28:34] someone to come into the city

[28:36]

[28:36] that is not through that

[28:37] process, that's generally the

[28:40]

[28:40] process, correct?

[28:40] >> correct.

[28:41] our employee process says

[28:43] generally, we will conduct a

[28:45] search for our positions.

[28:46] there are circ umstances in whi

[28:50] ch

[28:50] we elect direct hires, it's

[28:54] usually based on the can dwi

[28:56] date's specific experiences.

[28:56] what the needs are of the

[28:58] organization at the time, if I

[28:59] t

[28:59] seems to be a good match,

[29:01] sometimes a decision is made t

[29:02] o

[29:03] conduct a direct hire.

[29:03] >> I think our system of

[29:07] government is a funny one, the

[29:09] re

[29:09] are seven of us here, we're the

[29:12]

[29:13] legislative branch, we don't

[29:15] communicate with one another.

[29:16] so the city manager ends up

[29:19] being a strong mayor type role

[29:20] ,

[29:21] but working for the seven of u

[29:23] s

[29:24] as it goes forward.

[29:24] it is far and away the most

[29:27] important decision we make as a

[29:28]

[29:28] city.

[29:28] it -- I would say our city is

[29:32]

[29:32] more defined even by which cit

[29:33] y

[29:34] managers we had at various tim

[29:36] es

[29:36] and who we have sitting in the

[29:38] se

[29:38] seats.

[29:38] I think having a public search

[29:41]

[29:42] for something as important as

[29:43]

[29:43] this makes a lot of sense for

[29:45]

[29:45] our employees otherwise, I lik

[29:48] e

[29:50] the idea of looking around

[29:52] the -- and I think it ends up

[29:54]

[29:54] coming into that role, whether

[29:55]

[29:55] it be our acting or not our

[29:57] acting, however it goes.

[29:58] it gives legitimacy that they

[30:01]

[30:01] went through the same process

[30:03]

[30:03] every other city did.

[30:04] they've been selected by the

[30:06] city commission, and meeting t

[30:08] he

[30:08] community, introducing

[30:09] themselves, I think that's a

[30:11] good process, I don't -- I thi

[30:14] nk

[30:14] when cynthia curry was coming I

[30:16] n

[30:16] before us acting.

[30:17] we're going through a period

[30:19] where we needed someone to com

[30:20] e

[30:21] in, step into the role, we are

[30:23]

[30:23] now in a place where -- there's

[30:26]

[30:26] always uncertainties, this

[30:28] question as to what the future

[30:29]

[30:30] holds.

[30:30] where we stand now, I don't see

[30:32]

[30:32] this getting any better.

[30:33] I think the process is what the

[30:35]

[30:35] process is, and we should

[30:37] probably go forward with our

[30:37] standard process.

[30:38] >> thank you, commissioner

[30:41] eastman.

[30:41] commissioner chestnut?

[30:43] >> and I think we owe it to the

[30:46]

[30:46] public to do a search, a

[30:50] thorough search.

[30:51] so that they can see the

[30:55] competition, whose available o

[30:56] ut

[30:56] there, but a public search is

[31:00]

[31:00] something that I totally

[31:01] support.

[31:01] and I would look at option one

[31:04]

[31:04] in terms of time.

[31:07] time line.

[31:08] I just don't see delaying the

[31:10]

[31:10] beginning of the process to

[31:12] october.

[31:12] I'll be happy to place that as

[31:23] a

[31:23] motion later on if others wish

[31:25]

[31:25] to comment.

[31:26] >> mayor: thank you.

[31:28] commissioner willits?

[31:28] >> there's always uncertainty,

[31:30]

[31:35] and I was looking at option 2.

[31:37]

[31:37] if the legislature passes a

[31:43] constitutional amendment on

[31:44] taxes, people who have applied

[31:45]

[31:46] may be like, no, that's not a

[31:48]

[31:48] battle I want to fight, about

[31:50]

[31:50] how you completely refigure

[31:52] local government while everyon

[31:53] e

[31:53] in the state is also doing it.

[31:58]

[31:58] we have a little more recent

[32:04] knowledge of communities not

[32:07] having to make these decisions

[32:08]

[32:09] recently.

[32:09] I think elections should have

[32:13]

[32:13] consequences.

[32:13] that like voters should be abl

[32:14] e

[32:15] to vote for things, and every

[32:19]

[32:19] decision a city makes should n

[32:20] ot

[32:20] be shielded from democracy, in

[32:22] a

[32:23] way that's like, we're going t

[32:25] o

[32:25] make all these decisions right

[32:26]

[32:26] before an election, as opposed

[32:28]

[32:28] to, okay, since we're already in

[32:30]

[32:30] this range, where it's like, o

[32:31] h,

[32:31] maybe it could be done after,

[32:33]

[32:33] decisions could be made

[32:34] afterwards, so if this is a big

[32:36]

[32:37] issue, then elections can

[32:39] matter -- you know, people

[32:41] that -- our voters can talk

[32:42] about like, this is what we wan

[32:44] t

[32:44] in a city manager or city staf

[32:46] f,

[32:46] city charters in general.

[32:49] we ran two elections here, whe

[32:51] re

[32:51] we wanted the elections to

[32:53] matter, where the voters wante

[32:55] d

[32:55] to bring gru back under us.

[32:57] someone's changing the rules a

[32:59] nd

[32:59] making it this impenetrable,

[33:02] nothing can happen.

[33:03] doesn't matter how you vote, w

[33:06] ho

[33:06] you elect, nothing can happen.

[33:07]

[33:07] I like option 2 just for the

[33:09] sake of, if this is something

[33:12]

[33:12] that is so important or off,

[33:13] that people need an election, t

[33:16] o

[33:16] say, no, no, we really want mor

[33:18] e

[33:18] candidates, x candidate or just

[33:21]

[33:22] generally, we want a city

[33:24] manager, the whole process, I

[33:27]

[33:27] lean toward option 2.

[33:27] I like this idea of having thi

[33:30]

[33:30] public search, I'll remind us

[33:32]

[33:32] the budget is $466 million

[33:35] total.

[33:35] the idea of spending 22 or

[33:37] 99,000 on a search for -- as

[33:40] eastman said, it's our most

[33:42] consequential decision.

[33:45] and sometimes we make it quick

[33:48]

[33:48] and fill in the gap of what we

[33:50]

[33:50] need immediately, and sometimes

[33:52]

[33:52] we can make it looking forward

[33:53]

[33:56] into the unknown.

[33:57] I like option 2 particularly

[34:01] because of the opportunity to -

[34:02] -

[34:02] if the voters, the legislature

[34:04]

[34:04] and the voters pass a ballot

[34:08] measure or to a very large

[34:09] degree.

[34:09] I would hate to be in option o

[34:14] ne

[34:14] and then all our candidates dro

[34:16] p

[34:16] out right at the end, as oppos

[34:18] ed

[34:18] to, they may drop out in

[34:20] november, and then we know a

[34:21] little more of where we're at.

[34:23]

[34:23] I lean toward option 2.

[34:26] and also to commissioner

[34:29] chestnut's point, we owe it to

[34:31]

[34:31] the public, it may very well be

[34:33] ,

[34:33] I you is suspect if the

[34:36] candidates say, their current

[34:39]

[34:39] interim is about taking names,

[34:40]

[34:40] they themselves probably won't

[34:41]

[34:42] apply.

[34:42] why am I going to apply for

[34:45] something where it looks like

[34:46]

[34:46] it's going well.

[34:47] they will be able to see the

[34:54] names we can't see.

[34:54] other city managers mand

[34:56] say, no, no, no this is

[34:58] something I offer, that --

[35:00] >> I support option 2.

[35:01] because of both elections, and

[35:03]

[35:03] then also the consequence of

[35:05] knowing a little bit about

[35:08] whether there's going to be a

[35:09] measure.

[35:09] I suspect there may be a ballo

[35:12] t

[35:13] measure of some sort, which one

[35:14]

[35:14] it is.

[35:15] in a month or two.

[35:16] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[35:17] >> thank you, commissioner

[35:21] willits, commissioner ingle?

[35:24] >> I would say, in general the

[35:26]

[35:26] idea of doing a search -- I

[35:31] think the last time we did a

[35:34] public search for a city

[35:36] manager, the city was in prett

[35:39] y

[35:39] rough shape, we've been cycling

[35:41]

[35:41] through a lot of people, we we

[35:42] re

[35:42] looking for someone who could

[35:44]

[35:44] change the direction things wer

[35:45] e

[35:45] going.

[35:45] and it worked pretty well. We

[35:48] we found someone that did an

[35:50] amazing job.

[35:51] I don't think we're in that sam

[35:53] e

[35:53] situation.

[35:53] right now, things have been

[35:55] steady, I think we kind of bui

[35:58] lt

[35:58] on that stability.

[35:59] so I feel like we're in a

[36:02] different situation, and I'm n

[36:03] ot

[36:03] entirely sure we need to do a

[36:06]

[36:06] search, if we have a qualified

[36:08]

[36:08] person that's already doing tha

[36:09] t

[36:09] job.

[36:09] I'm not 100% on that one way o

[36:12] r

[36:12] another.

[36:12] I could see the advantage of

[36:14] putting that out there, and

[36:16] looking at, that's not a hill

[36:18] I'm going to die on.

[36:19] I can see both sides of it.

[36:22] I would say, I am a bigger fan

[36:25]

[36:25] of option number two.

[36:27] mostly because as we said, thi

[36:30] s

[36:30] is going to be a very

[36:37] consequential decision.

[36:38] starting the first part of

[36:39] january, we're going to have a

[36:41] t

[36:41] least one new commissioner and

[36:43]

[36:43] potentially four new

[36:44] commissioners.

[36:44] so I would think if we're

[36:46] looking at a long term --

[36:50] something that's going to have

[36:51]

[36:51] that big of an impact, I think

[36:53]

[36:55] it makes sense to wait until

[36:58] we've got the new commission

[37:00] seated and those people that are

[37:01] goin

[37:01] goin to be dealing with this

[37:03] new city manager potentially n

[37:04] ew

[37:04] city manager.

[37:05] have the ability to weigh-in o

[37:13] n

[37:13] that.

[37:13] regardless of whether there's a

[37:15]

[37:15] runoff or not, those new

[37:17] commissioners will not be part

[37:19]

[37:19] of this board until january.

[37:20] so that option 2 makes a lot o

[37:23] f

[37:23] sense to me, and I think

[37:25] commissioner willits makes a

[37:27] good point, a whole lot of

[37:28] things change in november,

[37:30] depending on what goes on on t

[37:32] he

[37:32] state level.

[37:33] I'm sorry, I said that option 2

[37:34]

[37:35] makes more sense, plus, we're

[37:39]

[37:39] pushed past budget season.

[37:41] that's where I am.

[37:42] >> thank you, commissioner

[37:44] ingle.

[37:44] commissioner book?

[37:45] >> thank you.

[37:46] hr manager, I'm in agreement

[37:49] with several of my colleagues,

[37:50]

[37:51] as it relates to legitimacy and

[37:53]

[37:53] trust, you follow process, and

[37:54]

[37:54] you've had to do that for many

[37:56]

[37:56] other employees across all

[37:59] ranges in an organization,

[38:00] that's how you instill to them

[38:01]

[38:02] we follow the same rules at the

[38:03]

[38:03] same time for the same group, I

[38:05]

[38:05] think that's really important.

[38:06]

[38:06] this is notwithstanding the fac

[38:08] t

[38:08] that the interim city manager I

[38:11] s

[38:11] doing an excellent job.

[38:12] that's a fact.

[38:12] I think that's not arguable

[38:15] but that's different from when

[38:18]

[38:18] we follow process.

[38:19] miss manager, if you were to

[38:23] pursue a process in hire, do yo

[38:25] u

[38:25] have a preference for one of

[38:29] these options?

[38:29] >> mayor and commissioner, we

[38:31]

[38:31] could make either of those work

[38:33] .

[38:33] because we're in april right

[38:34] now, we have ample time to

[38:37] prepare for that, we should be

[38:38]

[38:39] fine.

[38:39] I appreciate the consideration.

[38:41]

[38:41] >> well, I was thinking about

[38:43]

[38:43] that, and also the last two

[38:45] processes we did for charter

[38:46] officers, our city leaders, we

[38:49]

[38:49] did go through the process.

[38:49] we followed process, and we had

[38:53]

[38:54] internal candidate, and here's

[38:55]

[38:55] the internal candidate.

[38:57] and we had an external

[38:59] candidate, and there he is

[39:01] sitting at the back.

[39:02] we had tremendous skill and

[39:05] continuity, as commissioner

[39:07] engle was talking about very

[39:09] different than we were in 2022

[39:10] ,

[39:11] and I like what you said,

[39:13] commissioner eastman.

[39:14] you want to make sure that

[39:15] employees feel that we're doing

[39:16]

[39:18] the same thing.

[39:20] so I do favor a process, I thi

[39:22] nk

[39:22] it's probably the best way to

[39:26]

[39:26] instill the legitimacy and

[39:27] trust, and I hope the candidates

[39:29]

[39:29] rise to the top, that's what you

[39:31]

[39:31] want.

[39:31] internal or external.

[39:34] I don't have a preference for

[39:37]

[39:37] option, but doi o support the

[39:39]

[39:39] external process.

[39:40] >> mayor: thank you,

[39:42] commissioner book.

[39:42] is there any public comment?

[39:45] >> yes, ron rawles.

[39:48] >> mayor: welcome, pastor

[39:51] rawles.

[39:51] >> I think we should definitel

[39:55] y

[39:56] have a search.

[39:57] I think communication is

[40:00] extremely important from our

[40:01] side when we're dealing with th

[40:02] e

[40:02] city, and so sometimes what you

[40:06]

[40:06] feel you have, the relationshi

[40:08] ps

[40:08] you feel you have, you may not

[40:10]

[40:11] find you have those

[40:12] relationships until you need

[40:13] something.

[40:13] and so recently, we tried to

[40:16] assist one of our senior

[40:19] citizens.

[40:19] I had a horrible experience

[40:23] trying to deal with a person I

[40:25] n

[40:26] permitting, and so I walked it

[40:28]

[40:28] up the ladder, didn't get

[40:32] response from the director ove

[40:33] r

[40:33] in permitting, tried to walk it

[40:36]

[40:36] up the ladder, couldn't get a

[40:38]

[40:38] response from the city manager'

[40:40] s

[40:40] office.

[40:40] and so we need more than a

[40:45] smile.

[40:45] I need to know if we need to communic

[40:49] communicate with you to get som

[40:50] e

[40:50] clarification that we have tha

[40:53] t

[40:54] ability.

[40:54] not your previous city manager,

[40:56]

[40:56] but the one before that that w

[40:58] as

[40:58] a horrible experience. Th

[41:00] the previous manager was a goo

[41:07] d

[41:07] experience.

[41:07] you could communicate, walk it

[41:09]

[41:09] up the ladder and follow the

[41:10] process.

[41:10] as citizens, we need to have a

[41:15] n

[41:16] input to see who it is that

[41:22] applies, the credentials and

[41:25] have a feel that we're heard

[41:27] from our side.

[41:28] this is no complaint against mr.

[41:30]

[41:30] persons, but I do feel that we

[41:31]

[41:33] need to have a -- for our

[41:35] comfort and our ease, to make

[41:40]

[41:40] sure that it's nothing you get

[41:41]

[41:42] from entitlement or a few peopl

[41:44] e

[41:44] like you.

[41:44] it's because the community

[41:46] trusts the leadership that we'

[41:47] re

[41:47] about to spend $55,000 on a

[41:53] private company to make sure

[41:55] that they can be sustained.

[42:02] we're about to give away $55,000

[42:04]

[42:04] to a private entity that's for

[42:07]

[42:08] profit, definitely we could

[42:10] spend $100,000 to make sure we

[42:12]

[42:13] have a great leader.

[42:13] >> mayor: thank you, pastor

[42:18] rawles.

[42:18] >> that was our last speaker.

[42:22] >> mayor: commissioner duncan

[42:26]

[42:26] walker?

[42:26] >> my comments are brief.

[42:28] I support the public process fo

[42:30] r

[42:30] most of the reasons most of us

[42:31]

[42:31] have stated up here today.

[42:32] I have had the opportunity to

[42:35]

[42:35] watch the community really

[42:36] enjoy, and not just get

[42:38] something out of, but be able t

[42:40] o

[42:40] provide what I consider valuable

[42:41]

[42:41] input to us, when they've had

[42:43]

[42:43] the opportunity to interact wit

[42:45] h

[42:45] those individuals who were

[42:47] applying for this position in

[42:48]

[42:48] the meet and greets and in the

[42:55]

[42:56] varying ways they can when the

[42:58]

[42:58] process is public.

[42:58] it's accessibility, it's

[43:04] transparency, and it's the kin

[43:05] d

[43:06] of trust we need to continue t

[43:07] o

[43:07] build with the public, so

[43:11] certainly I support that.

[43:11] I'm on the fence about the tim

[43:13] e

[43:14] frames, because while part of m

[43:16] e

[43:16] would like to jump into it.

[43:19] another part of me thinks from

[43:20]

[43:20] the perspective of where we may

[43:22]

[43:23] be down the line, and that lev

[43:26] el

[43:26] of just not knowing who will b

[43:27] e

[43:27] here, and I remember some

[43:30] comments by some of my

[43:31] colleagues who are here with u

[43:32] s

[43:32] now about wishing they had had

[43:34]

[43:34] the desire to be a part of the

[43:37]

[43:38] process n making a selection

[43:40] that occurred just before they

[43:41]

[43:41] got here.

[43:42] I'm sensitive to throws types o

[43:44] f

[43:44] things, if I put myself in that

[43:46]

[43:46] situation, where I had just

[43:48] missed that opportunity and

[43:49] literally the individuals who

[43:50]

[43:50] were a port of that process,

[43:52] were no longer at the dais, tha

[43:53] t

[43:53] would really be something.

[43:56] I'd like to get down to

[43:58] business, absolutely, but I als

[44:00] o

[44:00] am sensitive to the fact that

[44:03]

[44:03] whoever is sitting at this dai

[44:05] s

[44:05] should be a part of making tha

[44:10] t

[44:10] decision in who they will have

[44:11]

[44:12] the opportunity to work with,

[44:13]

[44:13] when they're seated here.

[44:14] I'll conclude my comments with

[44:16]

[44:17] that but the public being

[44:18] involved in this process is

[44:20] really my most important piece

[44:21] .

[44:21] >> thank you, commissioner

[44:25] duncan walker.

[44:26] commissioner eastman?

[44:27] >> thank you.

[44:27] before I spoke on doing the

[44:29] public process, before I do

[44:30] that, I want to say, mr. Mayor

[44:33]

[44:33] in the last process that we ha

[44:35] d,

[44:35] where we were deciding about -

[44:37] -

[44:38] when you first came into office

[44:39] ,

[44:39] there was a slew of -- everyon

[44:41] e

[44:42] was interim at that point.

[44:43] one permanent.

[44:45] you made the recommendation to

[44:47] ma

[44:47] make all of those -- to move

[44:48] from interim to the permanent

[44:53]

[44:53] positions.

[44:53] that was brand new in the role.

[44:54]

[44:54] I would say you were 100% right

[44:57] abou

[44:57] about that. We

[44:57] we had no idea what we were

[44:59] about to go through.

[45:00] there's no way we could have

[45:02] told the future, I was thankful

[45:04]

[45:04] for you for taking that kind o

[45:05] f

[45:05] a stance, and in this instance

[45:07] ,

[45:08] I -- I still feel now as I do

[45:10]

[45:10] then, that this is an important

[45:12]

[45:13] process to go through.

[45:15] but just to give some credence

[45:17]

[45:17] to what your point was at the

[45:24]

[45:24] time.

[45:24] I am in favor, but I didn't get

[45:27]

[45:27] into option one or option two,

[45:29] I

[45:30] support commissioner chestnut's,

[45:32] what you said about option one,

[45:33]

[45:34] I think there's always going t

[45:35] o be

[45:35] be more questions, more thought

[45:36] s

[45:36] as to where we -- you know, that

[45:39]

[45:39] we could hold this off for

[45:41] longer, I think it's important

[45:42]

[45:42] to get someone in that is

[45:44] permanent and get this done as

[45:45]

[45:46] opposed to have this holdout for

[45:47]

[45:47] a while.

[45:47] regardless of what we do, I'll

[45:49]

[45:50] point out this ends.

[45:51] if you look at the time line, we

[45:54]

[45:54] are interviewing folks, and this

[45:55]

[45:55] comes to a decision point in

[45:59] december.

[45:59] we do the final employment

[46:03] agreement in week 16, we selec

[46:04] t

[46:05] the charter officer week 14 and

[46:08]

[46:08] 15.

[46:08] there's ample opportunity for

[46:10]

[46:10] whoever runs and wins, which m

[46:12] ay

[46:12] end in august, aas opposed to

[46:15]

[46:15] november and december.

[46:16] even if there is a runoff for

[46:19]

[46:19] that person to come in and hav

[46:20] e

[46:20] a say in that.

[46:20] I would rather just have this.

[46:22]

[46:22] I would rather get this done,

[46:24]

[46:24] have this off the table and be

[46:26]

[46:26] able to move through to other

[46:28]

[46:28] priorities.

[46:28] I would support option one.

[46:30] thank you.

[46:30] >> mayor: thank you,

[46:33] commissioner eastman,

[46:34] commissioner willits?

[46:38] >> thank you, mayor.

[46:39] new commissioners may have a

[46:41] say, which I like input, but a

[46:43]

[46:43] say is a vote, you know, and t

[46:45] he

[46:45] thing is, we go with option 1,

[46:47]

[46:47] you can literally have a

[46:50] majority of this commission

[46:51] that's not going to work with

[46:52]

[46:52] this new manager.

[46:54] not people who lose an electio

[46:56] n

[46:56] are going to say -- oh, I'm

[46:58] going to stick you with the dud

[47:00]

[47:00] or something, but they won't

[47:02] have to face the consequences of

[47:04]

[47:04] working with the next manager.

[47:06]

[47:06] and I have a lot of trust in m

[47:08] y

[47:09] colleagues, we try to do what'

[47:10] s

[47:11] right, kind of for the long

[47:13] term, not necessarily what an

[47:14]

[47:14] individual needs or wants, wha

[47:16] t

[47:16] the community needs or wants.

[47:18] that's why I lean toward optio

[47:20] n

[47:20] two, I get a -- I don't always

[47:22]

[47:22] think that we should have to

[47:24] like -- there's always going t

[47:25] o

[47:25] be an election, an issue, if w

[47:29] e

[47:29] were doing this last fall, wou

[47:30] ld

[47:30] I have said yeah, let's get it

[47:32]

[47:32] done right there.

[47:33] in my mind, we're close enough

[47:35] ,

[47:36] looking out that, okay, make

[47:37] this that process, and the new

[47:39]

[47:40] commissioners would be able to

[47:41]

[47:42] in january -- even in october,

[47:43]

[47:44] they will know who applicants

[47:48]

[47:48] are.

[47:48] by december, know who the

[47:51] finalists are, there's a

[47:52] process, and they can hit the

[47:54]

[47:54] ground in january, having

[47:58] conversations and be able to

[48:00] vote, that's what I lean toward

[48:01]

[48:01] too.

[48:01] thanks.

[48:01] >> mayor: thank you,

[48:06] commissioner chestnut?

[48:08] >> yes, I just want to add,

[48:10] commissioner eastman was elected

[48:12]

[48:12] in august and could not be

[48:16] seated until january.

[48:17] we involved him in each -- he

[48:19]

[48:19] was invited to sit at the table

[48:21]

[48:22] in each discussion, so that he

[48:23]

[48:23] was involved in the process.

[48:25] while he did not have a vote, h

[48:29] e

[48:29] had a voice.

[48:29] and we heard his voice.

[48:32] so that's why I was going with

[48:34]

[48:34] option one, because I think --

[48:38] I

[48:38] suspect all of you will be

[48:41] re-elected in august, except f

[48:45] or

[48:45] one --

[48:47] [ inaudible ]

[48:48] and you'll be at the table unt

[48:49] il

[48:49] we begin that process in

[48:51] january.

[48:51] thank you.

[48:51] >> mayor: thank you.

[48:54] commissioner chestnut, I

[48:56] appreciate your optimism, but I

[49:00]

[49:00] do want us to be mindful that

[49:04]

[49:04] because of what we've said, thi

[49:06] s

[49:06] is likely -- or at least

[49:08] potentially to become a campaig

[49:10] n

[49:10] issue if we do it with option

[49:14]

[49:14] one.

[49:14] I don't think you want to chose

[49:20]

[49:20] a city manager by ballot, that'

[49:25] s

[49:25] not our system.

[49:26] I'm not saying it's a bad

[49:28] system, but that's not what our

[49:29]

[49:30] system is supposed to be.

[49:34] I for that reason would be more

[49:37]

[49:37] comfortable with making it

[49:38] option two.

[49:39] if there are four new people

[49:41] here, I want to make sure they

[49:42]

[49:42] get a vote.

[49:43] the one we know is going to be

[49:45]

[49:45] different, gets a vote on who

[49:50]

[49:50] they're going to be working wit

[49:51] h

[49:51] as city manager.

[49:52] I'm generally open to the other

[49:54]

[49:55] one, but the politicization of

[49:58]

[49:58] it leads me to option 2.

[50:01] and I want to say, also,

[50:05] commissioner willits, I hear

[50:06] what you're saying about the

[50:08] property tax vote and that sor

[50:09] t

[50:10] of thing, anyone who might app

[50:14] ly

[50:14] who is anyone we want to hire

[50:16] is

[50:16] already watching that they're

[50:17]

[50:17] already on it.

[50:18] and if they're not again,

[50:20] they're probably not someone w

[50:23] e

[50:25] want to hire.

[50:27] everything that we take for

[50:30] granted because we're in the

[50:31] middle of it, people from the

[50:32]

[50:32] outside are saying, is that

[50:35] something I want?

[50:37] but I would just caution us wit

[50:40] h

[50:40] that.

[50:40] and again, that probably seeks

[50:42]

[50:43] better to option two.

[50:44] I'm open to option 2.

[50:51] >> I'll try not to say the sam

[50:54] e

[50:54] thing twice.

[50:55] I would like to throw another

[51:00]

[51:00] reason on why I'm in favor of

[51:02]

[51:02] option 2.

[51:04] is that, just the other things

[51:06]

[51:06] going on at the time.

[51:07] in august you were looking at

[51:09]

[51:09] elections that I think a lot o

[51:10] f

[51:11] us would be focused on, and the

[51:13] n

[51:13] september you were going to be

[51:14]

[51:14] looking at the middle of budge

[51:16] t

[51:16] season, which is probably one o

[51:19] f

[51:19] the most intense things we do.

[51:21]

[51:21] and it seems like a lot of

[51:23] overlap to start this process I

[51:26] n

[51:26] the middle of.

[51:27] if this is going to be a long

[51:30]

[51:30] process, I just assume it be t

[51:31] he

[51:31] focus of what we're doing, I

[51:34] think option two puts the bulk

[51:35] of

[51:35] of that work into a time that w

[51:37] e

[51:37] usually got the ability to foc

[51:39] us

[51:39] on that issue, instead of

[51:42] looking at the budget, looking

[51:44]

[51:44] at all these other things that

[51:46]

[51:46] are going on.

[51:46] I'm an option 2 fan, but that'

[51:48] s

[51:48] where I stand on that.

[51:48] >> mayor: thank you,

[51:52] commissioner ingle.

[51:53] commissioner book.

[51:53] >> just hearing so many comment

[51:56] s

[51:56] makes me lean toward the first

[51:58]

[51:58] option.

[51:58] and the reason for that, I

[52:00] always like to depoliticize

[52:08] anything we're doing.

[52:09] I know people will know we're

[52:13]

[52:13] looking at decisions, whether I

[52:15] t

[52:15] benefits us or doesn't benefit

[52:16]

[52:16] us.

[52:16] the least political decision w

[52:22] e

[52:22] can make, we always have

[52:24] tremendous amounts of other big

[52:25]

[52:25] things going on.

[52:26] I think the fact that anybody,

[52:28]

[52:28] even if I'm not rerunning, for

[52:31]

[52:31] example, you -- I feel like I

[52:33]

[52:33] will have a voice regardless.

[52:34] I'm going to support either

[52:36] option, I think the process is

[52:38]

[52:38] much more important than any o

[52:40] ne

[52:40] of us.

[52:41] but I think taking any of the,

[52:43]

[52:43] who's going to be elected and

[52:45]

[52:45] who's going to be sitting up

[52:46] here out of the equation is

[52:49] possible, even though people

[52:50] will give, they will think tha

[52:52] t

[52:53] we may have explanations that

[52:54]

[52:54] lean toward one or the other I

[52:57] s

[52:58] important.

[52:58] that's just me.

[53:00] >> mayor: thank you,

[53:00] commissioner book.

[53:01] does someone want to make a

[53:07] motion, commissioner chestnut?

[53:08]

[53:08] >> it looks like we would have

[53:13]

[53:13] support, total support for

[53:14] option two, so I will move tha

[53:17] t

[53:18] we begin the search process and

[53:21]

[53:22] start that process beginning I

[53:26] n

[53:26] october.

[53:26] hopefully to conclude in

[53:28] february.

[53:28] >> second.

[53:29] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[53:30] a

[53:31] second.

[53:31] all in favor?

[53:32] >> aye.

[53:33] >> mayor: any opposed?

[53:34] that passes unanimously.

[53:34] thank you all for the excellent

[53:38]

[53:39] conversation on that.

[53:42] and miss gretz you have your

[53:46] work ahead of you.

[53:47] >> we're on to 2026-225 public

[53:55]

[53:56] works department update.

[53:58] >> mayor: welcome.

[53:59] >> good morning mr. Mayor,

[54:02] commissioners.

[54:02] this is our very first public

[54:06]

[54:06] works departmentwide update.

[54:06] and I know there are a lot of

[54:08]

[54:08] slides -- it will be a longer

[54:10]

[54:10] presentation than what we'll d

[54:11] o

[54:11] in the future, but we'll try to

[54:13]

[54:13] keep it rolling through.

[54:14] I want to talk about the

[54:24] origination of public works,

[54:26] started in 1933, with the new

[54:29]

[54:29] deal and the public works

[54:31] administration, and the civil

[54:35]

[54:35] conservation core.

[54:36] streets, highways, bridges,

[54:41] hospitals, even though the pwa

[54:42]

[54:42] was short lived it shut down in

[54:44]

[54:44] 1944, it created a lot of

[54:46] infrastructure, including the

[54:49]

[54:49] hoover dam, which I think I hav

[54:50] e

[54:50] the right pointer.

[54:51] >> mayor: I was going to ask you

[54:53]

[54:53] what district that was in.

[54:53] >> and the reason why I -- the

[54:59]

[54:59] hoover dam started in 1931, so

[55:01]

[55:02] before the public works

[55:03] administration, it was finished

[55:04]

[55:05] with the help of pwa.

[55:08] I chose to use that photo,

[55:17] because it was named after

[55:20] herbert hoover.

[55:21] we also have some gainesville

[55:24]

[55:24] area, early public works, and

[55:27]

[55:27] that includes the bullwart

[55:32] springs, it started in 1891, a

[55:34] nd

[55:34] it was part of the city's first

[55:36]

[55:37] municipal water utility, until

[55:40]

[55:40] 1913, and then it later

[55:43] functioned as an auxiliary wat

[55:45] er

[55:45] source.

[55:45] now it's an historic place.

[55:47] I included in a smaller level,

[55:50] the apwa acronym, so we

[55:57] are --

[55:58] [ inaudible ]

[55:58] it was founded originally in

[56:00] 1937, and we've been a long

[56:02] accredited member, what does

[56:04] that mean in short terms?

[56:05] it means we follow a certain

[56:07] standard of policies and

[56:08] procedures, and we implement a

[56:11]

[56:11] best management, standard

[56:13] practice of work that meets the

[56:16]

[56:16] pwa standards.

[56:18] we go through an accreditation

[56:22]

[56:22] process for years.

[56:23] we're one of 172 agencies in

[56:28] north america and canada that

[56:29]

[56:29] are credited.

[56:30] and 27 in florida.

[56:32] we're currently going through

[56:34]

[56:34] the reaccreditation process no

[56:38] w.

[56:38] just real quick on our public

[56:41]

[56:41] works mission, it's to basically

[56:43]

[56:43] enhance the quality life for

[56:46] gainesville community by

[56:48] maintaining and managing our

[56:52] infrastructure and solid waste

[56:54]

[56:55] services.

[56:55] we do have a lot of assets tha

[56:58] t

[56:58] we manage, that includes 401

[57:02] center line miles of road.

[57:04] sidewalks, 205 miles, we hav

[57:08] some significant assets out

[57:09] there.

[57:09] traffic infrastructure, we hav

[57:13] e

[57:14] 251 interconnected traffic

[57:16] signals, we maintain the entire

[57:18]

[57:18] traffic signals for the county

[57:19] ,

[57:19] that includes ourselves, dot,

[57:22]

[57:22] alachua county, and what we cal

[57:23] l

[57:23] the seven cities.

[57:24] if I can remember them all,

[57:27] archer, alatch way, high

[57:30] springs, micanopy, waldo, and I

[57:33]

[57:33] think I hit them all, newberry.

[57:34]

[57:34] and that's a large revenue

[57:43] source for us too.

[57:43] over a million dollars, I think

[57:45]

[57:45] it's over 1.3 or $4 million tha

[57:49] t

[57:49] we get from seven cities, from

[57:53]

[57:53] the dot in alachua county.

[57:55] we are a city of creeks, some

[57:57] of

[57:57] our major creeks being hog tow

[58:00] n

[58:01] possum creek, sweetwater branch

[58:02] ,

[58:02] and we have other little creek

[58:05] s

[58:06] that are tributaries to the

[58:07] larger creeks.

[58:08] so a lot of water quality

[58:10] concerns and issues, a lot of

[58:12]

[58:12] water quality and flood plain

[58:16]

[58:16] type concerns and issues.

[58:17] we manage all of this on a $57

[58:19]

[58:19] million budget, and this is kin

[58:21] d

[58:21] of a breakdown of the budget,

[58:24]

[58:24] solid waste being our largest

[58:27]

[58:27] component.

[58:27] but then general fund, storm

[58:30] water fund and we go down from

[58:35]

[58:35] there.

[58:35] public works does come in lots

[58:39]

[58:39] of sizes, right?

[58:41] some public works might only

[58:44] have an operation section.

[58:44] some might have an engineering

[58:46]

[58:47] section, some might have

[58:49] utilities, we are five

[58:50] divisions, we have our

[58:53] operations team led by mr. Jar

[58:54] ed

[58:54] lloyd, we have our engineering

[58:56]

[58:57] team led by dr. Chase knight, w

[58:59] e

[58:59] have facilities management, led

[59:03]

[59:03] by mr. Derry kaufmann.

[59:04] our administrative team is led

[59:09]

[59:09] by miss anissa booth who was

[59:13] unable to be here today.

[59:14] and our technology team is led

[59:18]

[59:18] by steve rossi.

[59:19] I wanted to include slides on

[59:21]

[59:21] overall performance for us.

[59:21] we have -- these are some raw

[59:29]

[59:29] overall scores -- raw overall

[59:32]

[59:32] numbers for the entire

[59:35] department that represent

[59:35] service requests that come in,

[59:37]

[59:37] service requests that are close

[59:41] d

[59:41] and work order centers that ar

[59:43] e

[59:43] open, work orders that are

[59:45] closed.

[59:45] one of the things that I want t

[59:47] o

[59:47] make sure I note, the reason why

[59:49]

[59:49] the service request here in th

[59:50] e

[59:51] blue and the orange seem low I

[59:54] s

[59:54] because there was a period of

[59:55]

[59:55] time where solid waste was onl

[59:57] y

[59:57] going into gru's utility

[1:00:02] software, then they changed int

[1:00:03] o

[1:00:03] a different platform.

[1:00:04] we don't have those numbers

[1:00:06] available to us right now.

[1:00:06] you'll see that we have a sudde

[1:00:10] n

[1:00:10] increase in the service reques

[1:00:12] t,

[1:00:12] but that just reflects what

[1:00:15] we're doing in city works, whi

[1:00:16] ch

[1:00:16] is where we track everything.

[1:00:18] and the overall trend for us,

[1:00:24]

[1:00:24] for service request is up, we

[1:00:27]

[1:00:27] basically averaged in fiscal

[1:00:29] '24, an average of 53 service

[1:00:32]

[1:00:32] requests a day, we're currently

[1:00:33]

[1:00:34] up to 76 a day.

[1:00:35] those are basically every singl

[1:00:37] e

[1:00:37] day we get approximately that

[1:00:40]

[1:00:40] many service request calls.

[1:00:41] that's basically called -- it

[1:00:43]

[1:00:43] doesn't mean we do any work

[1:00:45] associated with it, that's

[1:00:46] different than the work orders

[1:00:47]

[1:00:48] which is the green and lighter

[1:00:49]

[1:00:49] blue on the top.

[1:00:50] in general, with those, those

[1:00:51]

[1:00:51] are accurate for all of the

[1:00:53] departments, all the groups,

[1:00:57] from fiscal '21, we started wit

[1:00:59] h

[1:00:59] 42.6 work orders a day, and now

[1:01:02]

[1:01:03] we're at 51, we've gotten as

[1:01:05] high as 58 per day.

[1:01:08] so a lot of work going through

[1:01:11]

[1:01:12] the department.

[1:01:12] these ended up a little smaller

[1:01:14]

[1:01:14] than I anticipated, but I wante

[1:01:16] d

[1:01:16] to kind of also reflect the

[1:01:18] total cost of the work orders.

[1:01:19]

[1:01:19] you'll see we have a steady

[1:01:22] trend up, that's something to d

[1:01:24] o

[1:01:24] with -- we also have increasing

[1:01:26]

[1:01:26] number of work orders, it also

[1:01:28]

[1:01:28] has to do with the cost of

[1:01:30] things going up, asphalt,

[1:01:32] concrete, supplies, thing wez

[1:01:33]

[1:01:33] need to do the actual work.

[1:01:34] and then the last slide really

[1:01:42]

[1:01:42] just speaks to more of the

[1:01:43] service request and work order

[1:01:44] s

[1:01:45] and where we are in terms of

[1:01:46] efficiency, what I call

[1:01:48] efficiency, how many are we

[1:01:50] closing through the fiscal year

[1:01:53] .

[1:01:53] so we're going from -- the blu

[1:01:56] e

[1:01:56] line is service requests, and

[1:01:58]

[1:01:58] how many we're closing, but you

[1:01:59]

[1:01:59] can see, if you remember, the

[1:02:01]

[1:02:01] numbers were going up a lot for

[1:02:02]

[1:02:02] service requests, we were

[1:02:04] averaging 76 per day right now,

[1:02:05]

[1:02:06] you can see our efficiency is

[1:02:08]

[1:02:08] kind of decreased a little bit.

[1:02:09]

[1:02:09] because our staff is the same

[1:02:11]

[1:02:11] number, so it's harder to get to ever

[1:02:12] everybody.

[1:02:12] as quickly.

[1:02:13] as we go through, as the

[1:02:26] division manager goes through,

[1:02:27]

[1:02:27] there are individual groups and

[1:02:28]

[1:02:29] teams and what they're doing,

[1:02:31]

[1:02:31] they'll be touching on the

[1:02:32] strategic goals as we go along

[1:02:34]

[1:02:34] through there.

[1:02:34] and I'm going to turn it over,

[1:02:37]

[1:02:38] first to garrett kaufmann our

[1:02:41]

[1:02:41] facilities manager.

[1:02:41] >> mayor: welcome.

[1:02:46] >> good morning.

[1:02:47] I'm gary kaufmann, the

[1:02:50] facilities manager, and

[1:02:52] facilities division of public

[1:02:53]

[1:02:53] works, I'm here to give you a

[1:02:55]

[1:02:55] brief overview of what we're

[1:02:56] doing in the facilities

[1:02:57] division.

[1:02:57] first of all, I want to give y

[1:03:01] ou

[1:03:01] guys a rundown of what our

[1:03:04] department looks like, we have

[1:03:06]

[1:03:06] 24 1/2 fte in our department,

[1:03:08]

[1:03:08] including myself.

[1:03:09] I am the manager, we have an

[1:03:11] assistant manager, we have two

[1:03:13]

[1:03:14] supervisors, we have seven

[1:03:16] mechanical staff covers,

[1:03:18] mechanical electrical plumbing,

[1:03:19]

[1:03:20] which is hvac and firearms, we

[1:03:26]

[1:03:26] have three structural personnel.

[1:03:28]

[1:03:28] it's a very lean subdivision o

[1:03:30] f

[1:03:31] our department.

[1:03:31] we have two carpenters and one

[1:03:34]

[1:03:34] painter.

[1:03:34] we have nine custodial staff I

[1:03:37] n

[1:03:37] our department, and one capital

[1:03:39]

[1:03:39] projects manager, and then the

[1:03:42]

[1:03:42] second part time -- temporary

[1:03:44]

[1:03:44] part time capital projects

[1:03:44] manager.

[1:03:44] our department is broken down

[1:03:55]

[1:03:55] into several different

[1:03:56] categories, operations and

[1:03:58] maintenance, which basically

[1:04:00] covers a wide variety of

[1:04:02] maintenance on roofs and walls,

[1:04:06]

[1:04:07] operations, that's for

[1:04:10] structural, and we do

[1:04:14] mechanical, we do a lot with

[1:04:15] firearms.

[1:04:15] operations and maintenance and

[1:04:18]

[1:04:18] custodial, we do custodial wor

[1:04:20] k

[1:04:21] for a few of the buildings in

[1:04:22]

[1:04:22] the city's portfolio, we do not

[1:04:24]

[1:04:24] take all of them, we take care

[1:04:26]

[1:04:26] of all the major ones, I think

[1:04:28] I

[1:04:29] shared this with you guys

[1:04:33] previously.

[1:04:33] the police department, the fir

[1:04:35] e

[1:04:35] department, parks takes care o

[1:04:37] f

[1:04:37] most of themselves.

[1:04:40] operations and maintenance

[1:04:43] administration, we take care,

[1:04:44]

[1:04:44] make sure that we watch after

[1:04:47]

[1:04:47] our budget and prepare for

[1:04:50] purchase orders, do a lot of

[1:04:52] administrative work that way.

[1:04:53] capital preservation, do a lot

[1:04:56]

[1:04:56] of small projects for

[1:04:58] replacement of structural

[1:05:00] components.

[1:05:00] replacing doors, rollout doors,

[1:05:03]

[1:05:04] fire departments.

[1:05:04] hvac systems, we go a lot of

[1:05:07] replacements, fire alarms, fir

[1:05:09] e

[1:05:09] alarm panels, different things

[1:05:11]

[1:05:11] like that.

[1:05:11] I'll say we do facilities

[1:05:15] restoration and expansion.

[1:05:15] we do some remodeling work.

[1:05:19] we did the lobby out here with

[1:05:21]

[1:05:21] the security improvements, stu

[1:05:23] ff

[1:05:23] like that.

[1:05:24] we do large projects, involve in

[1:05:27]

[1:05:27] the new construction of fire

[1:05:30] station number three, number 9

[1:05:32]

[1:05:32] and the eoc, all the projects

[1:05:34]

[1:05:34] that falls on our department t

[1:05:35] o

[1:05:35] take care of those things.

[1:05:35] >> as far as our portfolio of

[1:05:46]

[1:05:46] buildings, we eliminated some

[1:05:48]

[1:05:48] buildings, touch on that you I

[1:05:50] n

[1:05:50] a minute.

[1:05:51] we have greater than 135

[1:06:04] buildings, we have over 200,00

[1:06:05] 0

[1:06:06] square feet of buildings that

[1:06:07]

[1:06:07] are older than 50 years old, w

[1:06:09] e

[1:06:10] have a lot of very old

[1:06:12] buildings, and a lot of old

[1:06:13] equipment.

[1:06:13] so our staff stays quite busy

[1:06:16]

[1:06:16] trying to keep up with it.

[1:06:18] this is the list of buildings.

[1:06:30]

[1:06:30] we reduced it last year, we hav

[1:06:33] e

[1:06:33] taken away the boltin building

[1:06:36]

[1:06:36] in the northeast complex.

[1:06:41] that should help our department

[1:06:43]

[1:06:43] get a little more efficient.

[1:06:45] we have quite a bit to do with

[1:06:48]

[1:06:48] these buildings, keeping up wi

[1:06:51] th

[1:06:51] the maintenance on them.

[1:06:51] facilities capital projects, o

[1:06:55] n

[1:06:56] the left we have 21 projects

[1:06:58] that our staff is currently

[1:07:00] working on, and I'll break tho

[1:07:02] se

[1:07:02] down a little more in a minute

[1:07:04] .

[1:07:04] those are small projects, but

[1:07:06]

[1:07:06] are very important, they inclu

[1:07:07] de

[1:07:07] things like hvac systems, fire

[1:07:10]

[1:07:10] alarm replacements.

[1:07:12] this building specifically is

[1:07:15]

[1:07:15] getting two new chillers.

[1:07:16] we're also working in the next

[1:07:18]

[1:07:18] couple weeks to start replacing

[1:07:20]

[1:07:20] the fire alarm, so we're reall

[1:07:22] y

[1:07:22] excited about that.

[1:07:23] >> that will be fun.

[1:07:25] >> let's hope not, let's hope

[1:07:28] we

[1:07:28] can keep that uneventful.

[1:07:29] >> on the right, we have the

[1:07:32] large projects shown again, the

[1:07:34]

[1:07:34] gpd property and evidence

[1:07:38] building, public works,

[1:07:40] safety -- southwest safety

[1:07:43] annex, and hurricane hardening

[1:07:45]

[1:07:46] for the hurricane works comple

[1:07:48] x.

[1:07:48] of the capital preservation

[1:07:50] projects that were on the bigge

[1:07:51] r

[1:07:51] list on the page prior.

[1:07:52] six of those currently are

[1:07:54] completed.

[1:07:54] 300 in construction, we have 1

[1:07:58] 0

[1:07:58] with equipment, including the

[1:08:00]

[1:08:00] chillers, we're hoping to get

[1:08:01]

[1:08:01] those shipped to us late april,

[1:08:03]

[1:08:03] so we should be starting work o

[1:08:05] n

[1:08:05] that, hopefully may, june, we'

[1:08:07] ll

[1:08:07] have those completed.

[1:08:08] once we get the equipment in,

[1:08:10]

[1:08:10] that stuff should move really

[1:08:11]

[1:08:11] fast.

[1:08:11] we were finalizing, the time w

[1:08:14] e

[1:08:15] create the slide, we were

[1:08:17] finalizing procurement on the

[1:08:19]

[1:08:19] project.

[1:08:19] one of them is a phased project

[1:08:21]

[1:08:21] where we're doing some further

[1:08:22]

[1:08:22] stud byes, we're waiting on

[1:08:25] finalizing the report on that,

[1:08:26]

[1:08:26] so we can continue on with that

[1:08:27]

[1:08:27] process.

[1:08:27] not included in that last slid

[1:08:31] e,

[1:08:31] we're also working on four

[1:08:33] different roof projects, one o

[1:08:34] f

[1:08:35] them is completed, one of them

[1:08:36]

[1:08:37] is completed today.

[1:08:40] we were doing the flat roof

[1:08:44] portion of that.

[1:08:44] this week we're supposed to

[1:08:46] start the td mcpherson roof.

[1:08:48] we're waiting for the insulatio

[1:08:51] n

[1:08:51] to come n that's being torn off

[1:08:54]

[1:08:54] and getting ready to get

[1:08:57] started.

[1:08:57] .

[1:08:57] that was not on the list, but I

[1:09:01]

[1:09:01] just want to point that out, w

[1:09:02] e

[1:09:02] have quite a bit going on.

[1:09:03] street stations --

[1:09:09] >> mayor: commissioner chestnut

[1:09:10] ?

[1:09:10] >> yes.

[1:09:11] in replacing the roof, are we

[1:09:14]

[1:09:14] using our own team or are you

[1:09:15]

[1:09:15] contracting that out?

[1:09:16] >> we're contracting it out,

[1:09:18] these are relatively small

[1:09:23] roofs, you probably haven't see

[1:09:25] n

[1:09:25] these, they fall within our

[1:09:27] purchasing guidelines.

[1:09:28] they're small roofs.

[1:09:32] they fall under our agreement t

[1:09:35] o

[1:09:35] make things happen quickly.

[1:09:36] street stations and strong

[1:09:38] foundations, the gpd property

[1:09:40] business building, we should s

[1:09:43] ee

[1:09:43] the walls of the old building

[1:09:45]

[1:09:45] start falling down.

[1:09:47] construction should start

[1:09:49] beginning -- it should be in

[1:09:51] may, actually, for the gfr

[1:09:55] administration, the eoc parking

[1:09:57]

[1:09:58] lot, the fire station number 9,

[1:10:01]

[1:10:01] number 3, we should start site

[1:10:03]

[1:10:04] work on that early in may.

[1:10:05] public works hardening, we have

[1:10:08]

[1:10:08] design completed, and that

[1:10:09] project is pretty much on hold

[1:10:11]

[1:10:11] at the moment, but we are

[1:10:14] anxious to get that one going

[1:10:16]

[1:10:16] to.

[1:10:16] kpi's, primarily on kpi's, we

[1:10:20]

[1:10:20] are looking at how many work

[1:10:22] orders we received, and how fas

[1:10:23] t

[1:10:23] we can get them done, our

[1:10:26] efficiency in getting them done

[1:10:27] .

[1:10:27] you see in 25, we had almost

[1:10:30] 5600.

[1:10:30] and we set a goal for 55 00 thi

[1:10:33] s

[1:10:33] year, for a total number of wor

[1:10:35] k

[1:10:35] orders, right now at the end o

[1:10:37] f

[1:10:39] fiscal year 56 quarter one,

[1:10:41] we're at 11 00, we're on track

[1:10:43]

[1:10:43] with what our goals are, and a

[1:10:44] s

[1:10:45] far as the actual numbers

[1:10:48] completed, we're probably just

[1:10:49] a

[1:10:49] little bit behind on that our

[1:10:52]

[1:10:52] completion rates, you see on

[1:10:54] this slide are at 89.5% at the

[1:10:58]

[1:10:59] end of our first quarter, and

[1:11:01]

[1:11:01] our goal was 95% at the end of

[1:11:03]

[1:11:03] the year.

[1:11:04] we should be a little better off

[1:11:06]

[1:11:06] on that, a lot of the

[1:11:08] incompletion rates have to do

[1:11:12]

[1:11:12] with things like that.

[1:11:17] average days of getting work

[1:11:20] orders done.

[1:11:20] this is something we're trying

[1:11:21]

[1:11:22] to speed up in getting work

[1:11:23] orders addressed, and get them

[1:11:25]

[1:11:25] completedagain.

[1:11:25] this has to do a lot with

[1:11:28] waiting on parts and materials,

[1:11:29]

[1:11:29] that kind of thing holds us up.

[1:11:31]

[1:11:31] I think we've done a pretty goo

[1:11:37] d

[1:11:37] job of improving this, and you

[1:11:39]

[1:11:39] can see that our goal was for

[1:11:41]

[1:11:41] ten days and we're at about 18

[1:11:47]

[1:11:47] for the first quarter.

[1:11:48] and we're moving in the right

[1:11:51]

[1:11:51] direction, we're much better

[1:11:53] than what our actuals were

[1:11:54] showing last year, but we have

[1:11:55] a

[1:11:55] little bit of work to do on

[1:11:58] that.

[1:11:58] that completes everything that

[1:12:00] I

[1:12:00] have to share with you guys, I

[1:12:02]

[1:12:02] want to hand this over to jared

[1:12:04]

[1:12:04] lloyd, the operations manager

[1:12:05]

[1:12:05] for public works.

[1:12:06] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:12:07] welcome.

[1:12:07] >> thank you.

[1:12:08] good morning mr. Mayor,

[1:12:12] commissioners, jared lloyd,

[1:12:13] operations manager.

[1:12:13] with the operations division,

[1:12:18]

[1:12:18] there's 7 of us on the

[1:12:21] administrative team that runs

[1:12:24]

[1:12:24] operations.

[1:12:24] two of which are currently

[1:12:26] vacant working on fixing that.

[1:12:27]

[1:12:27] I would love to have a full tea

[1:12:29] m

[1:12:29] to assist.

[1:12:34] in the operations team, there's

[1:12:35]

[1:12:36] 129fte's, we're currently

[1:12:39] sitting at roughly 20 1/2%

[1:12:42] vacancy, but in operations, I

[1:12:43]

[1:12:43] know I've been up here a lot

[1:12:45] about solid waste, but I also

[1:12:48]

[1:12:48] oversee construction, drainage,

[1:12:50]

[1:12:50] right-of-way,ing urban forestry

[1:12:53] ,

[1:12:53] mosquito control as well as

[1:12:56] solid waste, and a small engine

[1:12:57]

[1:12:58] mechanic that we have at our

[1:12:58] warehouse.

[1:12:58] >> mayor: apology there, in

[1:13:04] your -- maybe you'll address

[1:13:05] this going-forward, of that

[1:13:08] 20.5%, is there a particular

[1:13:11] department that's heavier with

[1:13:12]

[1:13:12] vacancies than others.

[1:13:13] >> no, not necessarily, it's a

[1:13:17]

[1:13:17] lot of your workforce, grounds

[1:13:22]

[1:13:23] workers, it's a high turnover

[1:13:25]

[1:13:25] position, we're constantly

[1:13:27] restocking employees in those

[1:13:29]

[1:13:29] positions.

[1:13:29] >> mayor: okay, thank you.

[1:13:29] >> we'll start with our

[1:13:34] construction section.

[1:13:35] my slides are going to be a

[1:13:37] little different than the

[1:13:38] previous ones you've seen, on

[1:13:39]

[1:13:39] the left, you're going to see

[1:13:41]

[1:13:41] numbers, they're strictly for

[1:13:43]

[1:13:43] quarter one of this year.

[1:13:43] and then I'm providing a pictu

[1:13:48] re

[1:13:48] that I feel like best describes

[1:13:51]

[1:13:52] the section I'm discussing.

[1:13:53] and then I'm really not going t

[1:13:54] o

[1:13:54] speak to the numbers, I'm going

[1:13:56]

[1:13:56] to talk about the sections

[1:13:58] themselves.

[1:13:58] and then this picture, this is

[1:14:00]

[1:14:01] really a great representation o

[1:14:04] f

[1:14:04] the construction team.

[1:14:04] you have your sidewalks, you

[1:14:07] have your curb inlets, your

[1:14:08] curbs themselves, your roadways

[1:14:11] ,

[1:14:11] your signs, your markings, all

[1:14:13]

[1:14:13] of this is done by our

[1:14:17] construction team.

[1:14:18] so asphalt is one of the

[1:14:21] subsections of construction,

[1:14:22] it's a 12 person crew, they ar

[1:14:23] e

[1:14:23] in charge of all the potholes,

[1:14:26]

[1:14:26] all of the full reconstruction

[1:14:27]

[1:14:28] of roadways, that essentially

[1:14:32]

[1:14:32] saves us money from contracting

[1:14:33]

[1:14:33] it out, we do it in house.

[1:14:39] and we've got our concrete

[1:14:44] subsection which are responsible

[1:14:44]

[1:14:44] for all the pedestrians

[1:14:48] pathways, ada compliance for

[1:14:51] ramps, sidewalks and curbs

[1:14:52] themselves on the roadways.

[1:14:53] the pavement preservation

[1:15:00] program is done at the

[1:15:03] administrative level, but we've

[1:15:04]

[1:15:04] just recently introduced the d

[1:15:07] ot

[1:15:07] software, which uses the new sb

[1:15:09] I

[1:15:09] indexes to weight in and

[1:15:12] prioritize the roadways with t

[1:15:18] he

[1:15:18] sbi in mind.

[1:15:20] this is a picture putting down

[1:15:28] a

[1:15:28] binder on the roadway.

[1:15:30] it's getting rolled in, two,

[1:15:40] three weeks after this, they'll

[1:15:42]

[1:15:42] top it with a micro surface, I

[1:15:44] t

[1:15:45] gives you a much loaninger lif

[1:15:47] e

[1:15:47] out of your roadways.

[1:15:49] pavement preservation is

[1:15:50] important to maintain our good

[1:15:51]

[1:15:52] roadways so that we don't fail

[1:15:55]

[1:15:56] and get to a point where we're

[1:15:57]

[1:15:58] spending a bunch of money.

[1:15:59] a lot cheaper to do it this wa

[1:16:04] y.

[1:16:04] our drainage section, we have a

[1:16:06] n

[1:16:06] open water course and closed

[1:16:09] water course subsection.

[1:16:10] the open water course is simpl

[1:16:12] y

[1:16:13] ditches, retention ponds,

[1:16:14] anything that's open to the ai

[1:16:15] r,

[1:16:15] closed water course is going t

[1:16:17] o

[1:16:17] be all of your pipes, boxes,

[1:16:20] stuff that's buried that you

[1:16:25] ca't see.

[1:16:25] so this is our open water

[1:16:29] course, crew correcting a bridg

[1:16:32] e

[1:16:32] deficiency that was found by t

[1:16:35] he

[1:16:35] contractor that inspects our

[1:16:37] bridges.

[1:16:37] so we have to go in, divert

[1:16:40] water, and come in and fix the defi

[1:16:44] deficiency so we can pass

[1:16:51] inspection.

[1:16:51] and then this is a great pictu

[1:16:53] re

[1:16:53] showing what the closed water

[1:16:55]

[1:16:55] course team does, this is a

[1:16:56] project, this is when we put I

[1:16:59] n

[1:17:00] the new northeast 9th avenue

[1:17:03] roadway.

[1:17:03] this pipe system was placed,

[1:17:07] that's 8th avenue, so we built

[1:17:09]

[1:17:09] 9th just behind this, this is

[1:17:11]

[1:17:11] exactly what they do, this is a

[1:17:13]

[1:17:13] smaller team of about 5.

[1:17:14] and they just come in, and

[1:17:18] really have a ton of pipes.

[1:17:20] miles and miles in pipes to

[1:17:23] maintain, they do a great job.

[1:17:24]

[1:17:24] very good at their jobs.

[1:17:25] so we'll move on to our

[1:17:31] right-of-way section, the

[1:17:32] picture on the right, you see

[1:17:36]

[1:17:36] this is the mad vac mini-that w

[1:17:39] e

[1:17:39] had to buy when we started

[1:17:42] putting in the one way pavers,

[1:17:44]

[1:17:45] it's been a phenomenal machine.

[1:17:46]

[1:17:46] and then we've got our full

[1:17:50] sized street sweepers that run

[1:17:53]

[1:17:53] just curbed roadways.

[1:17:55] so the only roadways that will

[1:17:57]

[1:17:58] get swept are curbed.

[1:17:59] a lot of people think the street

[1:18:01]

[1:18:01] sweeper is here to clean the

[1:18:03] roadways, and they do that.

[1:18:05] the main purpose is to pull the

[1:18:07]

[1:18:07] debris out of the roadway, so I

[1:18:09] t

[1:18:09] doesn't get flushed down into

[1:18:10]

[1:18:10] the pipes and waterways, so it'

[1:18:13] s

[1:18:13] actually a water quality thing

[1:18:15]

[1:18:15] more than it is a street

[1:18:19] cleaning thing.

[1:18:20] >> I'll pause you there and pas

[1:18:21] s

[1:18:21] on something that we heard in a

[1:18:23]

[1:18:23] presentation many years ago,

[1:18:24] that was an eye opener for me.

[1:18:26]

[1:18:26] that if you -- if your street I

[1:18:29] s

[1:18:29] a curb and gutter street, that

[1:18:31]

[1:18:31] is -- if you have a curb, that'

[1:18:33] s

[1:18:33] part of our storm water

[1:18:36] management system.

[1:18:36] not every street is part of our

[1:18:38]

[1:18:38] storm water management system,

[1:18:39]

[1:18:39] if you have curb and gutter,

[1:18:40] that's part of it.

[1:18:41] >> it's very important.

[1:18:48] and then the maintenance and

[1:18:52] mowing section of our

[1:18:53] right-of-way team is extremely

[1:18:54]

[1:18:56] important, they handle the

[1:18:57] medians, keeping the medians

[1:18:59] nice and clean.

[1:18:59] they make sure our sidewalks a

[1:19:01] re

[1:19:01] edged, cut back to keep our

[1:19:04] clearances for the pedestrians

[1:19:05]

[1:19:05] walking the sidewalks.

[1:19:06] make sure we got our 7 foot

[1:19:09] height on everything, so peopl

[1:19:11] e

[1:19:11] aren't bumping heads walking

[1:19:12] down sidewalks.

[1:19:16] this is the downtown detail

[1:19:21] crew, we have the mad vac in t

[1:19:23] he

[1:19:23] streeterry area, they spend 10

[1:19:25] 0%

[1:19:25] of their time in core downtown

[1:19:27] ,

[1:19:28] really cleaning, making sure

[1:19:29] they're keeping up with

[1:19:31] graffiti, and garbage, any

[1:19:33] spills, they're fully dedicated

[1:19:36]

[1:19:36] to downtown, they do a great

[1:19:37] job.

[1:19:37] we'll move into solid waste.

[1:19:45] I want to touch on a couple of

[1:19:47]

[1:19:47] the key strategic goals before

[1:19:49] I

[1:19:49] get into it.

[1:19:50] we're currently in the final

[1:19:53] phases of our I.t. Negotiations

[1:19:58] .

[1:19:58] and we're in the scoring phase

[1:20:01]

[1:20:01] for the food waste rfp.

[1:20:02] I can't get too much into it,

[1:20:05]

[1:20:05] just wanted to give you an

[1:20:08] update on where we're at with

[1:20:09]

[1:20:09] it.

[1:20:09] we'll go ahead and start with

[1:20:11]

[1:20:11] solid waste, as you can see,

[1:20:12] this is an issue here with mov

[1:20:18] e

[1:20:18] n someone didn't plan for the

[1:20:19]

[1:20:19] boxes.

[1:20:19] our inspector team is a team o

[1:20:22] f

[1:20:22] four.

[1:20:22] their entire job is to go out

[1:20:27]

[1:20:27] and enforce our ordinances.

[1:20:29] and they do a phenomenal job.

[1:20:32] this one will I point at the

[1:20:35] numbers.

[1:20:35] this is impressive.

[1:20:36] just in the first quarter of

[1:20:38] this year, they've made contact

[1:20:40]

[1:20:40] with 2700 residential and

[1:20:44] commercial properties.

[1:20:44] out of all of those only 4 wou

[1:20:48] nd

[1:20:48] up with a civil citation, it

[1:20:51] means they're doing a very goo

[1:20:53] d

[1:20:53] job educating people on the

[1:20:56] ordinance, what's required and

[1:20:57]

[1:20:57] the residential and commercial

[1:20:58]

[1:20:58] properties are following them.

[1:21:02]

[1:21:02] our litter crew are up and dow

[1:21:04] n

[1:21:04] the sides of the roadways,

[1:21:07] cleaning up encampments that

[1:21:09] have been abandoned, they're

[1:21:11] constantly out running, picking

[1:21:14]

[1:21:14] garbage cans up, a very

[1:21:16] important part to keeping all of

[1:21:18]

[1:21:18] the city of gainesville clean

[1:21:22]

[1:21:22] our surplus department, this, I

[1:21:24]

[1:21:24] know this -- anyone who's a

[1:21:26] fleet freak, this picture may

[1:21:28]

[1:21:28] freak you out, but essentially

[1:21:29]

[1:21:30] this is the storage building f

[1:21:33] or

[1:21:33] all of the city's no longer

[1:21:36] needed items.

[1:21:36] so what we do, we turn the

[1:21:41] city's trash into treasure with

[1:21:45]

[1:21:46] surplus.

[1:21:46] they made, I believe, right at

[1:21:49] a

[1:21:50] quarter million dollars last

[1:21:52] year out of disposed items and

[1:21:54]

[1:21:54] kept them out of the land year

[1:21:55] .

[1:21:55] quarter one, they turned $57,0

[1:21:58] 00

[1:21:58] out of unwanted city items.

[1:22:01] they're very good at what they

[1:22:02]

[1:22:03] do, very passionate.

[1:22:03] a lot of times my construction

[1:22:05]

[1:22:06] crews will take a bent form fro

[1:22:09] m

[1:22:09] a concrete team, throw it in th

[1:22:11] e

[1:22:11] dumpster, recover it and sell,

[1:22:13]

[1:22:13] and very good at what they do.

[1:22:14]

[1:22:14] zero waste team, we're in a

[1:22:19] rebuilding phase on the zero

[1:22:20] waste team, we had some

[1:22:22] turnover, we just -- we're in

[1:22:23]

[1:22:23] the process of getting our

[1:22:28] second and final zero waste

[1:22:32] specialist, this team is very

[1:22:34]

[1:22:34] important when it comes to

[1:22:36] presenting to the community,

[1:22:37] getting out to the community a

[1:22:52] nd

[1:22:52] let them know what is expected

[1:22:54]

[1:22:54] from our ordinances.

[1:22:54] >> how do organizations and

[1:22:59] nonprofits and citizens access

[1:23:02]

[1:23:02] that and purchase things?

[1:23:03] can you tell us things about

[1:23:05] that?

[1:23:05] >> how dony purchase --

[1:23:07] >> our surplus goods.

[1:23:08] >> oh, okay.

[1:23:08] our surplus team will post the

[1:23:13]

[1:23:14] goods.

[1:23:14] they first will put it back out

[1:23:16]

[1:23:16] to city blo employees and say,

[1:23:21] is

[1:23:21] there anything here you're

[1:23:23] interested in?

[1:23:24] and when people come and get

[1:23:25] what they want, they'll turn

[1:23:27] around, take pictures of it,

[1:23:29] they inventory everything, and

[1:23:30]

[1:23:30] put it on a go deals website,

[1:23:35]

[1:23:35] either as a batch, if they hav

[1:23:36] e

[1:23:36] a bunch of matching chairs or

[1:23:38]

[1:23:38] they have something special, a

[1:23:39]

[1:23:40] computer unit, they'll put it o

[1:23:41] n

[1:23:41] there, people will bid on, and

[1:23:42]

[1:23:42] buy it.

[1:23:42] >> very good, thank you.

[1:23:48] >> so then we have urban

[1:23:57] forestry.

[1:23:57] our tree crew, very important

[1:24:01]

[1:24:01] crew, they're actually -- their

[1:24:05]

[1:24:05] actual title is tree surgeons,

[1:24:07] I

[1:24:08] thought that was funny until I

[1:24:09]

[1:24:09] saw them with a chain saw and

[1:24:13]

[1:24:13] realized they are true

[1:24:14] craftsman.

[1:24:14] they can take a tree like this

[1:24:16] ,

[1:24:16] I wouldn't know what to do, the

[1:24:18] y

[1:24:18] have it cut, pushed, out of

[1:24:20] there, before you know it.

[1:24:21] they're phenomenal, very

[1:24:23] important to keeping the city o

[1:24:25] f

[1:24:25] gainesville roadways open and

[1:24:26]

[1:24:26] running.

[1:24:26] our horticulturalist team loves

[1:24:32]

[1:24:32] to plant trees.

[1:24:33] on the right, that's our edibl

[1:24:35] e

[1:24:36] grove that's in smokey bear

[1:24:38] park.

[1:24:38] off in the distance, you can't

[1:24:40]

[1:24:40] see, there's one of our

[1:24:41] neighbors who picked some fruit

[1:24:42]

[1:24:43] an was eating on the way out.

[1:24:44] this team's very passionate,

[1:24:47] they would plant a tree where

[1:24:49]

[1:24:49] I'm standing if you would let

[1:24:50]

[1:24:50] them.

[1:24:50] they're amazing.

[1:24:52] we have the program coordinator

[1:24:54]

[1:24:56] who is the lead liaison to our

[1:24:59]

[1:24:59] tree advisory board, also deals

[1:25:01]

[1:25:03] directly with the public,

[1:25:04] sponsoring trees and really is

[1:25:07]

[1:25:07] the -- kind of the outreach

[1:25:09] voice for urban forestry.

[1:25:13] and then we have mosquito

[1:25:17] control, so mosquito control

[1:25:19] kind of holds a special place I

[1:25:20] n

[1:25:20] my heart, this is where I

[1:25:23] started my journey with the

[1:25:29] city.

[1:25:29] so you may or may not know,

[1:25:32] mosquitos are the deadliest

[1:25:34] animal on the planet, they kil

[1:25:38] l

[1:25:38] 700,000 to a million people

[1:25:42] every year.

[1:25:43] in my opinion, mosquito control

[1:25:45]

[1:25:46] is one of the best bangs for

[1:25:48] your puck that the city has.

[1:25:49] in 2016, we had some zeka cases

[1:25:53]

[1:25:53] that came in with transient

[1:25:55] students.

[1:25:55] and the mosquito control team

[1:25:58]

[1:25:58] had to go out and actually

[1:26:01] spray, treat and really make

[1:26:02] sure that we didn't take

[1:26:04] imported cases and make them

[1:26:05] locally acquired cases.

[1:26:08] very important part of the cit

[1:26:11] y

[1:26:11] of gainesville.

[1:26:12] the city of gainesville has a

[1:26:16]

[1:26:16] very, very good integrated pes

[1:26:19] t

[1:26:19] management program, part of tha

[1:26:20] t

[1:26:20] is biological control, so thes

[1:26:26] e

[1:26:27] six ponds are on the public

[1:26:29] works compound.

[1:26:33] we raise fish that are native

[1:26:37]

[1:26:37] species, they're ferocious

[1:26:39] eaters.

[1:26:39] any time a pond fills up, or w

[1:26:42] e

[1:26:42] have a new wet area that fills

[1:26:44]

[1:26:44] after the rain, these fish go t

[1:26:47] o

[1:26:47] work, and they keep the

[1:26:50] population down.

[1:26:50] proactive treatment is done with

[1:26:53]

[1:26:53] the vectomax, a dual active

[1:26:58] bacteria, that focuses on

[1:27:00] mosquito larvae, and when they

[1:27:02]

[1:27:02] eat, they are unable to turn

[1:27:03] into adults.

[1:27:04] this is kind of a really short

[1:27:12]

[1:27:12] sweet breakdown of a really goo

[1:27:14] d

[1:27:14] integrated pest management

[1:27:16] program.

[1:27:16] you have your surveillance whe

[1:27:18] re

[1:27:18] you're really going out there

[1:27:21]

[1:27:21] and looking at what mosquitos

[1:27:23]

[1:27:23] are popping off.

[1:27:23] you identify that mosquito, you

[1:27:25]

[1:27:26] say, that's a swamp mosquito, a

[1:27:28]

[1:27:29] container brieeder.

[1:27:32] our guys are doing that

[1:27:34] continuously, they're removing

[1:27:36]

[1:27:37] tires, buckets they find on the

[1:27:38]

[1:27:39] side of the road or a swamp,

[1:27:40] they're picking that stuff up

[1:27:43]

[1:27:43] and physically removing the

[1:27:45] environment.

[1:27:45] they're treating proactively

[1:27:47] with the vectamax granules I w

[1:27:52] as

[1:27:52] previously speaking of.

[1:27:54] on the cattails you see, there's

[1:27:56]

[1:27:56] two different types of mosquitos

[1:27:58]

[1:27:58] that don't have to comment to

[1:28:00]

[1:28:00] the surface for air.

[1:28:02] they tap into the roots of

[1:28:05] cattails so you can get what

[1:28:13] they're eating.

[1:28:13] with that, I will turn it over

[1:28:15]

[1:28:16] to dr. Chase knight.

[1:28:17] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:28:18] I would recommend anyone who h

[1:28:20] as

[1:28:20] not spent any time with the

[1:28:23] mosquito control team, I would

[1:28:24]

[1:28:25] strongly recommend that, we do

[1:28:26]

[1:28:26] some really cool work with tha

[1:28:28] t

[1:28:30] and it was -- I haven't been o

[1:28:31] ut

[1:28:31] in a few years, I have to go

[1:28:34] back out and take a look.

[1:28:35] it's a high-tech use to this,

[1:28:39]

[1:28:39] it's functional.

[1:28:39] spend a little time in our

[1:28:41] neighbors and one further out I

[1:28:42] n

[1:28:42] the county, you'll see a

[1:28:43] difference.

[1:28:43] >> good morning, I'm chase

[1:28:46] knight, the city engineer, I

[1:28:48] have the honor of leading the

[1:28:51]

[1:28:51] engineering division with the

[1:28:52]

[1:28:52] public works department.

[1:28:52] as with everybody else, I start

[1:28:55]

[1:28:55] by reviewing the team.

[1:28:59] and I want to pause and make

[1:29:01] sure that I recognize the heart

[1:29:02] s

[1:29:02] and brains of the engineering

[1:29:05]

[1:29:05] division.

[1:29:05] our greatest asset, our people

[1:29:08] .

[1:29:08] because without them, none of

[1:29:10]

[1:29:10] the work or numbers that I'm

[1:29:11] about to go through will be

[1:29:13] possible.

[1:29:13] so the team here consists of

[1:29:18] 40.5fte's, we're divided into 5

[1:29:23]

[1:29:23] sub teams, it's the capital

[1:29:25] projects and development review

[1:29:26] ,

[1:29:26] right-of-way permitting and

[1:29:28] inspections, storm water

[1:29:30] engineering, survey and traffi

[1:29:31] c

[1:29:31] management.

[1:29:31] so in terms of the high level

[1:29:37]

[1:29:37] overview of some of the more

[1:29:39] important kpi's that we have,

[1:29:43]

[1:29:43] and starting with the number o

[1:29:46] f

[1:29:46] design projects completed for

[1:29:48]

[1:29:48] both roadway and storm water

[1:29:49] projects, we're right on track

[1:29:52]

[1:29:52] through quarter one for fy '26,

[1:29:54]

[1:29:54] and one thing I wanted to

[1:29:55] highlight here is, the majority

[1:29:59]

[1:29:59] of projects that we're designing

[1:30:01]

[1:30:01] are in house, that's been a key

[1:30:03]

[1:30:03] focus for us, just to be able t

[1:30:05] o

[1:30:05] build up that expertise in

[1:30:06] house, so we can begin to

[1:30:09] balance our dependency.

[1:30:13] in terms of construction

[1:30:15] projects completed, we're on

[1:30:18] track with our goal for this

[1:30:22] fiscal year through quarter 1,

[1:30:23]

[1:30:24] and just there are two examples

[1:30:25]

[1:30:25] of projects that were completed

[1:30:28] during that

[1:30:29] during that quarter.

[1:30:30] and moving on to review tasks for

[1:30:39] for developments, this is really a

[1:30:40] a cross function of kpi's, so w

[1:30:42] e

[1:30:42] have multiple team members tha

[1:30:45] t

[1:30:47] review plans for development a

[1:30:48] nd

[1:30:48] building permits, along with

[1:30:50] other city departments in

[1:30:52] conjunction with the city

[1:30:53] departments.

[1:30:53] so again, for this one, we are

[1:30:56]

[1:30:56] on track looking at our quarter

[1:30:58]

[1:30:58] one numbers to meet our

[1:31:01] expectations for this fiscal

[1:31:05] year.

[1:31:05] and switching to traffic

[1:31:08] operations, again, we are on

[1:31:11] track for this particular kpi

[1:31:13]

[1:31:13] looking at the number of traffic

[1:31:16]

[1:31:16] engineers and related service

[1:31:19]

[1:31:19] requests.

[1:31:19] our goal for this year is 100

[1:31:24]

[1:31:24] through quarter one.

[1:31:25] we're just about on track to

[1:31:28] meet that expectation.

[1:31:29] we are slightly off our goal o

[1:31:32] f

[1:31:32] having 100% response time, les

[1:31:39] s

[1:31:39] than 40 hours, and that

[1:31:41] certainly is something that

[1:31:42] we'll continue to focus on

[1:31:43] improving.

[1:31:43] and then just to take a break

[1:31:47]

[1:31:47] from the numbers for a little

[1:31:50]

[1:31:50] bit, I do want to highlight som

[1:31:54] e

[1:31:54] general collaborations and key

[1:31:55]

[1:31:57] initiatives that we've been

[1:32:00] working with other departments

[1:32:00]

[1:32:00] and agencies, with the traffic

[1:32:03]

[1:32:05] engineering side.

[1:32:06] so we've continued collaborati

[1:32:07] on

[1:32:07] with law enforcement partners,

[1:32:09]

[1:32:10] on cctv integration, so we can

[1:32:13]

[1:32:13] get realtime feeds, also,

[1:32:15] working with the sheriff's

[1:32:17] office as they explore buildin

[1:32:18] g

[1:32:18] a realtime intelligence center

[1:32:21] .

[1:32:21] and then we just continue with

[1:32:25]

[1:32:25] preventative maintenance on all

[1:32:27]

[1:32:28] 251 traffic signals.

[1:32:29] and the number is growing, tha

[1:32:31] t

[1:32:31] are maintained by the city.

[1:32:32] so that helps us to reduce

[1:32:36] calls, which saves time and

[1:32:39] money.

[1:32:39] moving to some numbers for a

[1:32:44] survey team.

[1:32:44] number of surveys completed.

[1:32:46] we're on track here for goal

[1:32:51] this fiscal year.

[1:32:52] number of right-of-way

[1:32:54] determinations, in support of

[1:32:55] reactive services for

[1:32:59] operations, gpd, code

[1:33:02] enforcement.

[1:33:02] also on track to meet our

[1:33:07] expectation for this year.

[1:33:09] likewise on track 4, the numbe

[1:33:12] r

[1:33:12] of legal descriptions complete

[1:33:14] d.

[1:33:14] one thing to highlight here tha

[1:33:17] t

[1:33:17] I show on the slide, basically,

[1:33:19]

[1:33:20] it's not eligible, the picture

[1:33:23] s

[1:33:23] is an expert from the 42 page

[1:33:26]

[1:33:26] legal description of the city

[1:33:27]

[1:33:27] that our surveyor completed.

[1:33:27] I find it hard sometimes to kee

[1:33:33] p

[1:33:33] up with a half page legal

[1:33:36] description, not to mention one

[1:33:37]

[1:33:38] that's 42 pages long.

[1:33:39] that's impressive.

[1:33:39] moving on to our right-of-way

[1:33:44]

[1:33:44] permitting and inspections

[1:33:46] group, so looking at the numbe

[1:33:47] r

[1:33:47] of permits that I've been

[1:33:51] issued, for work in the

[1:33:52] right-of-way.

[1:33:52] again, right there on track for

[1:33:56]

[1:33:57] what we expect this year.

[1:33:59] and then finally, looking at t

[1:34:02] he

[1:34:02] number of inspections that tha

[1:34:06] t

[1:34:06] team has completed per month,

[1:34:07]

[1:34:07] and I do want to apologize,

[1:34:10] there's an update for this

[1:34:13] slide.

[1:34:13] so for the quarter one, the fy

[1:34:16]

[1:34:17] '26 quarter one numbers, it is

[1:34:19] a

[1:34:19] total of 538 on average for

[1:34:22] those first three months of the

[1:34:23]

[1:34:24] year.

[1:34:24] and that broke down to 173 for

[1:34:28]

[1:34:29] building inspections, building

[1:34:30]

[1:34:30] related inspections and building

[1:34:32]

[1:34:32] permit related inspections.

[1:34:35] and 365 right-of-way permit

[1:34:41] inspections.

[1:34:41] and that concludes what I have

[1:34:46]

[1:34:47] >> mayor: very good, thank I.

[1:34:48] I'll pass it on to mr. Rossi.

[1:34:50] >> mayor: welcome.

[1:34:51] >> steve rossi, computer syste

[1:34:55] ms

[1:34:55] analyst for public works.

[1:34:57] we're one of the smaller

[1:34:59] divisions of public works with

[1:34:59]

[1:35:00] only two full time employees,

[1:35:01]

[1:35:01] one of which is standing before

[1:35:03]

[1:35:04] you.

[1:35:04] as such, we wear many, many

[1:35:05] different hats.

[1:35:06] anything from helping staff

[1:35:11] provide reportreports, procurem

[1:35:15] ent,

[1:35:15] how tos, training, anything that

[1:35:17]

[1:35:17] happens to involve technology.

[1:35:20]

[1:35:20] or as we like to think of it,

[1:35:21]

[1:35:21] anything that plugs into the

[1:35:22] wall.

[1:35:22] the bulk of our workforce in

[1:35:26] public works is mobile.

[1:35:27] they're in the field all day

[1:35:30] long.

[1:35:30] they need mobile devices and

[1:35:32] communications.

[1:35:32] we keep track of almost 300

[1:35:34] devices for our staff.

[1:35:35] we also manage systems for the

[1:35:46]

[1:35:47] gis system, some are shared by

[1:35:49]

[1:35:50] public works and parks.

[1:35:51] and we also maintain our own

[1:35:54] cloud environment, where we run

[1:35:56]

[1:35:56] and host these applications,

[1:35:57] most of the stuff that our

[1:35:58] department is using, we're

[1:36:00] providing the front line suppo

[1:36:01] rt

[1:36:01] and the back end infrastructure

[1:36:03]

[1:36:03] support of it.

[1:36:03] our goals with having that man

[1:36:08] y

[1:36:08] mobile devices is to try to

[1:36:11] replace them every four years.

[1:36:12]

[1:36:12] this helps ensure that we have

[1:36:13]

[1:36:14] the latest technology in front

[1:36:15]

[1:36:15] of them, and they also have the

[1:36:18]

[1:36:18] most recent can communications

[1:36:19]

[1:36:19] and good battery life, since

[1:36:20] they're going to be in the fie

[1:36:22] ld

[1:36:22] all day.

[1:36:22] we try to make the most use of

[1:36:24]

[1:36:24] our technology assets, we

[1:36:26] promote the use of technology,

[1:36:27]

[1:36:28] try to find efficiencies,

[1:36:30] anything to help the departmen

[1:36:31] t

[1:36:32] reach their goals, and we

[1:36:33] provide the front line support

[1:36:36]

[1:36:36] for all of our staff, anything

[1:36:37]

[1:36:37] that doesn't get covered by

[1:36:39] gru I.t. Is what falls back to

[1:36:42]

[1:36:42] us, most of that is department

[1:36:46]

[1:36:46] specific things are specialized

[1:36:48]

[1:36:48] that only public works would be

[1:36:49]

[1:36:49] utilizing.

[1:36:49] and our performance indicators

[1:36:54] ,

[1:36:54] we try to keep our systems

[1:36:57] available.

[1:36:57] 99.9% up time.

[1:36:59] that leads to less than 45

[1:37:02] minutes of downtown every month

[1:37:05]

[1:37:05] for these systems.

[1:37:06] as we refresh the mobile phone

[1:37:08] s

[1:37:08] with the volume we have,s 25% o

[1:37:10] f

[1:37:10] them each year, that equates t

[1:37:12] o

[1:37:12] about 6 devices every month tha

[1:37:14] t

[1:37:14] we swap out.

[1:37:15] and we try to pride ourselves o

[1:37:18] n

[1:37:18] resolving all of these issues

[1:37:20]

[1:37:20] the first time that staff

[1:37:21] reaches out to us, we want to

[1:37:22]

[1:37:22] make sure that they can complete

[1:37:25]

[1:37:25] whatever task they needed, and

[1:37:26]

[1:37:27] not have to defer it or circle

[1:37:31]

[1:37:31] back around.

[1:37:32] our success in trying to make

[1:37:34]

[1:37:34] sure that our staff can do the

[1:37:36] ir

[1:37:36] duties is what helps lead to th

[1:37:38] e

[1:37:38] kpi's for the rest of the

[1:37:42] department.

[1:37:42] and that is all I have.

[1:37:44] >> mayor: very good.

[1:37:47] hold on a second.

[1:37:47] commissioner willits?

[1:37:49] >> a question about how your

[1:37:51] team interacts or fitz into the

[1:37:55]

[1:37:59] burgeoning department under

[1:38:00] director nagy.

[1:38:01] I know lots of different

[1:38:04] departments operate technology.

[1:38:05]

[1:38:05] a little insight on how that's

[1:38:07]

[1:38:07] been working or what our plans

[1:38:08]

[1:38:08] for the future?

[1:38:09] >> we've been sharing some of

[1:38:11]

[1:38:11] the efforts that we do within

[1:38:13]

[1:38:13] the department, a couple things

[1:38:15]

[1:38:15] like the enterprise wide

[1:38:18] software before the department

[1:38:18]

[1:38:19] existed.

[1:38:19] there wasn't anyone else to

[1:38:21] maintain and carry it forward.

[1:38:22]

[1:38:22] we've been holding the torch f

[1:38:24] or

[1:38:24] a couple of the enterprise

[1:38:26] contracts.

[1:38:26] hoping to eventually be able t

[1:38:28] o

[1:38:28] turn them over to them, once

[1:38:30] they start picking up on that we

[1:38:34]

[1:38:34] don't overlap with what gru I.

[1:38:39] t.

[1:38:39] does, it may not be on the

[1:38:42] horizon for that group yet,

[1:38:43] until they take over all of

[1:38:45] those duties.

[1:38:45] >> that is kind of where I was

[1:38:47]

[1:38:47] getting at.

[1:38:48] the gru things, very clearly w

[1:38:51] e

[1:38:51] think a plan or it's the scope

[1:38:54]

[1:38:54] of director nagy, the nongri, I

[1:38:58]

[1:38:58] was a little less aware of wha

[1:39:00] t

[1:39:00] our plans are for the non-gru

[1:39:03]

[1:39:03] items, you've been holding dow

[1:39:04] n

[1:39:05] our other departments where

[1:39:06] there's some opportunities,

[1:39:07] perhaps where it's easier or

[1:39:08] more efficient to house them

[1:39:10] under the I. Dd. Department, a

[1:39:13] n

[1:39:14] enterprise software that needs

[1:39:15]

[1:39:15] to be maintained there, because

[1:39:16]

[1:39:16] he this can be the expert on

[1:39:19] maintaining, we can do the work

[1:39:19]

[1:39:19] we need to do.

[1:39:20] >> thank you.

[1:39:23] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:39:26] welcome back.

[1:39:26] >> thank you, we're on to the

[1:39:28]

[1:39:28] last division of our team, the

[1:39:31]

[1:39:31] administrative team division.

[1:39:33] I think of steve's team and the

[1:39:35]

[1:39:36] demonstrative team as being the

[1:39:40]

[1:39:40] glue that holds us all together.

[1:39:41]

[1:39:41] the administrative team is led

[1:39:43]

[1:39:44] by abeesag walken booth.

[1:39:45] she has 18 fte's, they're

[1:39:50] helping us with budget prep for

[1:39:53] the

[1:40:00] grant coordinator coming in

[1:40:01] soon, I hope, crossing our

[1:40:05] fingers.

[1:40:05] grants can be challenging to

[1:40:07] make sure you check all the --

[1:40:09] all the -- cross all the

[1:40:11] t's, so -- and then they help

[1:40:15]

[1:40:15] out with the supply chain.

[1:40:16] they oversee one of the

[1:40:19] warehouse staff helps us with

[1:40:21]

[1:40:21] that, and then solid waste

[1:40:23] customer service, which gets a

[1:40:24]

[1:40:24] huge amount of calls.

[1:40:24] their key performance

[1:40:32] indicator -- I should have take

[1:40:33] n

[1:40:33] a drink of water before I came

[1:40:34]

[1:40:34] back up.

[1:40:35] for them, largely, we're looking

[1:40:37]

[1:40:37] at a large number of

[1:40:38] acquisitions that get processe

[1:40:40] d,

[1:40:40] purchase orders, around 600 per

[1:40:42]

[1:40:43] year.

[1:40:43] last year was a little low, but

[1:40:45]

[1:40:46] we're already up for the

[1:40:46] quarter, you can see we're

[1:40:48] around 300 for both requisition

[1:40:51] s

[1:40:51] requested, and the purchase

[1:40:53] orders generated.

[1:40:55] they do a variety of finance

[1:40:57] reports for us, and then proce

[1:40:59] ss

[1:40:59] thousands of invoices every

[1:41:04] year.

[1:41:04] and then jared and I are going

[1:41:06]

[1:41:06] to move on to -- just some of

[1:41:08]

[1:41:08] our emergency response

[1:41:10] activities, I'll let jared --

[1:41:12]

[1:41:12] he's going to start first.

[1:41:15] >> thank you.

[1:41:16] hello again, I want to

[1:41:18] apologize, I forgot to mention

[1:41:20]

[1:41:20] one of our key strategic goals

[1:41:22]

[1:41:22] for the land ranking.

[1:41:23] we're working on.

[1:41:24] we've been in collaboration wit

[1:41:26] h

[1:41:26] prca.

[1:41:26] we come to what we feel is a

[1:41:32] good place for ranking land for

[1:41:33]

[1:41:33] purchase.

[1:41:33] and we will be bringing that t

[1:41:36] o

[1:41:36] you for discussion and hopefull

[1:41:37] y

[1:41:37] approval.

[1:41:37] >> mayor: very good.

[1:41:39] >> on may 7th.

[1:41:41] police, fire and public works

[1:41:48]

[1:41:48] are all first responders.

[1:41:53] so what kind of kicks off the

[1:41:58]

[1:41:58] operations -- kind of kicks off

[1:42:00]

[1:42:00] the operations, emergency

[1:42:02] response here, in the may time

[1:42:03]

[1:42:03] frame, will start doing

[1:42:05] preparations where we test out

[1:42:07]

[1:42:07] our equipment by making 10,000

[1:42:09]

[1:42:09] sandbags, and we make 10,000

[1:42:12] sandbags, we store them so tha

[1:42:14] t

[1:42:14] if we do get a declaration of a

[1:42:16] n

[1:42:16] emergency, we're not starting

[1:42:18]

[1:42:18] from 0, because when those car

[1:42:20] s

[1:42:20] start lining up, if you're

[1:42:22] starting from 0, you're never

[1:42:24]

[1:42:24] ever ever going to give

[1:42:25] everybody a sandbag.

[1:42:26] that's what you see here on the

[1:42:27]

[1:42:29] left, early preparations on th

[1:42:32] e

[1:42:32] far right.

[1:42:32] those cars are coming through,

[1:42:34]

[1:42:34] we're able to go ahead and sta

[1:42:35] rt

[1:42:35] handing out those bags.

[1:42:37] this is also the handsout phas

[1:42:39] e,

[1:42:39] but with the addition of the ml

[1:42:43] k

[1:42:43] property where we have the

[1:42:46] self-serve and we have our ski

[1:42:48] d

[1:42:48] steer on site, make bags as

[1:42:49] well.

[1:42:49] so people, if they don't feel

[1:42:51]

[1:42:51] like waiting, they can go ahead

[1:42:53]

[1:42:53] and fill their sandbags and we

[1:42:55]

[1:42:55] have folks on site to assist.

[1:42:56] storm rolls through, winds die

[1:43:05]

[1:43:05] down, this is the norm.

[1:43:05] you have a roadblock with the

[1:43:08]

[1:43:08] tree in the middle of it, what

[1:43:09]

[1:43:09] you can't see, there's power

[1:43:11] lines all through that.

[1:43:12] we have to wait for gru to giv

[1:43:14] e

[1:43:15] us the all clear, and our tree

[1:43:17]

[1:43:17] crew strike teams will move n

[1:43:19]

[1:43:19] take that out of the roadway, s

[1:43:21] o

[1:43:21] people can traverse the featur

[1:43:25] e.

[1:43:25] the top right picture is one

[1:43:27] that took out a light pole.

[1:43:29] >> we had to wait under the

[1:43:42] daytime comes n we have to wai

[1:43:44] t

[1:43:45] for gru to clear it.

[1:43:47] our nighttime crews will go out

[1:43:49]

[1:43:49] to a tree downcall.

[1:43:54] if there's no wires in it, the

[1:43:55] y

[1:43:55] will cut it, push it out of th

[1:43:57] e

[1:43:57] roadway and leave.

[1:43:58] they have to get to another

[1:44:01] call.

[1:44:01] our alpha team or daytime team

[1:44:03]

[1:44:04] will come in and collect the

[1:44:05] tree debris they left on the

[1:44:08] side of the road, and move on t

[1:44:11] o

[1:44:11] the next location.

[1:44:15] this is one where a tree fell o

[1:44:16] n

[1:44:16] to a car.

[1:44:17] we had to get the tree off the

[1:44:19]

[1:44:20] car and out of the roadway, so

[1:44:22]

[1:44:22] traffic could continue to flow

[1:44:23]

[1:44:23] on that road.

[1:44:23] >> another part of our emergency

[1:44:31]

[1:44:31] response investigation is the

[1:44:35]

[1:44:35] flood investigation team.

[1:44:36] as I mentioned earlier, we hav

[1:44:38] e

[1:44:38] several creeks in the city, what

[1:44:39]

[1:44:39] we do, as they rise, we will

[1:44:42] send teams out to do what we

[1:44:44] call measure downs.

[1:44:47] we can later use that data to

[1:44:54] terpret what storm did we

[1:44:55] have.

[1:44:55] is there something different w

[1:44:57] e

[1:44:57] should be looking at in terms o

[1:44:59] f

[1:44:59] storm water measures.

[1:45:01] so very big effort from that

[1:45:05] team.

[1:45:05] I want to mention to the

[1:45:09] administration efforts, as wit

[1:45:10] h

[1:45:10] any storm event there's a lot o

[1:45:12] f

[1:45:12] paperwork so we can be

[1:45:14] reimbursed by fema.

[1:45:16] it's a huge effort to track all

[1:45:22]

[1:45:24] the 211s that we make during th

[1:45:26] e

[1:45:26] event.

[1:45:26] it's a big administrative

[1:45:28] effort, and they do a great job

[1:45:31]

[1:45:31] with that.

[1:45:31] the last thing we wanted to

[1:45:34] mention, our special events, w

[1:45:36] e

[1:45:36] have a lot of special events we

[1:45:38]

[1:45:38] part in.

[1:45:40] we're currently working on

[1:45:45] something with uaa and uaf for

[1:45:48]

[1:45:48] live event assistance.

[1:45:49] that may be coming through

[1:45:54] pretty soon.

[1:45:55] the parade efforts are very coo

[1:46:02] l

[1:46:02] to see.

[1:46:03] and motifs, I can't forget the

[1:46:05]

[1:46:05] guys that set it up at the

[1:46:06] beginning.

[1:46:06] it's really interesting to lea

[1:46:11] rn

[1:46:11] about some of the groups or the

[1:46:15]

[1:46:16] people that get named for the

[1:46:18]

[1:46:18] street naming.

[1:46:18] that's been a super fun part o

[1:46:23] f

[1:46:23] the experience of public works.

[1:46:24]

[1:46:24] and that is the end.

[1:46:26] I would like to give a special

[1:46:28]

[1:46:28] thank you for the leadership

[1:46:30] team that support me, they are

[1:46:32] a

[1:46:32] fabulous group as you just

[1:46:34] heard.

[1:46:34] there's a lot going onon any

[1:46:37] given day withteam,

[1:46:40] they're always up for the

[1:46:40] challenge, looking to make

[1:46:41] things better in the city.

[1:46:41] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:46:42] >> I have several slides, the

[1:46:53]

[1:46:53] budget for tree mitigation,

[1:46:54] that's something, that's just

[1:46:55]

[1:46:55] the full amount of the fund, a

[1:46:57] nd

[1:46:57] every year we roll it over as w

[1:47:00] e

[1:47:00] don't spend, correct?

[1:47:02] or is that what we're spending

[1:47:06]

[1:47:06] in fy '26?

[1:47:10] >> I'm not sure how to get to I

[1:47:13] t

[1:47:13] quickly.

[1:47:13] >> a budget number of 16

[1:47:17] million?

[1:47:17] >> 6.3 is what it said under

[1:47:20] premitigation.

[1:47:20] it said fund at the top, so I

[1:47:24]

[1:47:24] imagine it's the whole fund.

[1:47:25] >> I pulled that straight off

[1:47:32]

[1:47:32] the adopted budget number

[1:47:37] current fund total is higher

[1:47:38] than the -- what is that current

[1:47:40]

[1:47:40] total, 15, 16?

[1:47:44] >> it's going to be, I would

[1:47:45] have to double check, it would

[1:47:46]

[1:47:46] have to be over 12 at this

[1:47:48] point, I would have to double

[1:47:51]

[1:47:51] check.

[1:47:51] >> is that what we're planning

[1:47:53]

[1:47:55] to --

[1:47:56] >> budget expenditure for this

[1:47:58]

[1:47:58] fiscal year, I believe fund

[1:48:00] balance at the end of last

[1:48:03] fiscal year was in the 15 dolla

[1:48:06] r

[1:48:06] range.

[1:48:06] >> it's a big number, I was

[1:48:09] remembering a bigger number, I

[1:48:10]

[1:48:10] was trying to remember if

[1:48:11] that -- if we don't close on a

[1:48:13]

[1:48:13] property, we didn't manage it,

[1:48:15]

[1:48:16] rollover to the next year,

[1:48:17] hopefully, that's just one

[1:48:19] where -- I just wanted to have

[1:48:21]

[1:48:21] the understanding.

[1:48:21] thank you.

[1:48:22] and then a deeper question abo

[1:48:26] ut

[1:48:26] under facilities manager, they

[1:48:27]

[1:48:28] talked about custodial, we had

[1:48:29]

[1:48:30] the conversation last week,

[1:48:32] about who cleans what

[1:48:33] facilities, and because the --

[1:48:34]

[1:48:35] one of the potential bills for

[1:48:37]

[1:48:38] property tax amendment propose

[1:48:41] d

[1:48:44] wouldn't let us -- first

[1:48:47] responders or police -- is that

[1:48:48]

[1:48:49] something where even custodial

[1:48:50]

[1:48:50] service should come back under

[1:48:52]

[1:48:52] public works?

[1:48:54] because then we have more

[1:48:57] flexibility -- if it's at all

[1:48:59]

[1:48:59] being paid for under fire.

[1:49:01] an amendment says you can't

[1:49:03] touch fire's budget, well, you

[1:49:05]

[1:49:05] know, and I don't know what the

[1:49:07]

[1:49:08] full amendment will envision,

[1:49:09]

[1:49:09] but just that kind of looking

[1:49:13]

[1:49:13] ahead like do we need to plan

[1:49:15]

[1:49:15] now to have flexibility, becau

[1:49:17] se

[1:49:17] the voters may pass something

[1:49:18]

[1:49:18] that is quite restrictive in o

[1:49:22] ur

[1:49:22] ability to build the budget.>>

[1:49:25] we're still reviewing the

[1:49:26] bills, the way I read them,

[1:49:30] there's --

[1:49:30] [ inaudible ]

[1:49:31] firefighter in accordance with

[1:49:32]

[1:49:32] the definition of state statut

[1:49:34] e.

[1:49:34] emt in coordination with the

[1:49:37] state statute.

[1:49:38] my initial read of it is, no,

[1:49:40]

[1:49:40] these employees would not fall

[1:49:41]

[1:49:41] under those definitions.

[1:49:41] >> thank you.

[1:49:42] >> good job on in house for

[1:49:48] roadway, and storm water

[1:49:50] projects engineering, it's goo

[1:49:51] d

[1:49:51] to have capacity within the

[1:49:53] city, that's great to hear.

[1:49:55] and then technology.

[1:49:56] and then on page 68 there's som

[1:49:59] e

[1:49:59] budget numbers for, I think, fy

[1:50:02]

[1:50:02] '24 that ended in 0, numbers

[1:50:05] that end in 0 aren't real.

[1:50:06] I will follow up on that

[1:50:09] privately.

[1:50:09] >> mayor: thank you so much.

[1:50:11] commissioner chestnut?

[1:50:14] >> I want to compliment you and

[1:50:16]

[1:50:16] your staff on the excellent and

[1:50:17]

[1:50:18] efficient job you do, in

[1:50:18] delivering service.

[1:50:20] you are a very good face for t

[1:50:22] he

[1:50:22] city, very friendly face, your

[1:50:26]

[1:50:26] sidewalk people, your streets

[1:50:27]

[1:50:27] people are out there, and peopl

[1:50:29] e

[1:50:29] really appreciate the work tha

[1:50:30] t

[1:50:30] is done.

[1:50:30] and I can't believe 76 request

[1:50:35] s

[1:50:37] per day.

[1:50:37] that's a lot.

[1:50:37] so thank you.

[1:50:38] thank you for your service.

[1:50:39] >> thank you.

[1:50:39] >> mayor: commissioner chestnut,

[1:50:43]

[1:50:43] commissioner duncan walker?

[1:50:45] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:50:46] and thank you, miss mowry and

[1:50:49]

[1:50:49] staff for really good and

[1:50:50] informative presentation.

[1:50:52] I want to start off with a

[1:50:57] compliment.

[1:50:57] a group from public works was

[1:51:01]

[1:51:01] traveling down a particular roa

[1:51:06] d

[1:51:06] where my mother engaged with

[1:51:07] them.

[1:51:07] she shared this with me.

[1:51:10] she had a wonderful experience

[1:51:12]

[1:51:16] with the tree crew I want to

[1:51:17] shout them out and say what a

[1:51:19]

[1:51:19] great service they provided.

[1:51:20] tree limbs were over into a

[1:51:22] particular yard.

[1:51:25] and that's not what they were

[1:51:27]

[1:51:27] out there to do.

[1:51:27] but they responded in the mom

[1:51:30] to the neighbors, and took car

[1:51:34] e

[1:51:34] of some tree limbs and some

[1:51:36] debris that had fallen into

[1:51:37] neighboring yards, thank you

[1:51:39] very much for a responsive,

[1:51:41] professional and kind team.

[1:51:42] thank you.

[1:51:42] I have maybe two questions, I

[1:51:44]

[1:51:44] believe.

[1:51:44] back to page 7 where your slide

[1:51:53]

[1:51:53] is with regards to the budget.

[1:51:57]

[1:51:57] I believe there was a number o

[1:52:00] f

[1:52:00] $2 million that's allotted for

[1:52:02]

[1:52:03] resurfacing.

[1:52:03] and my question is just this, I

[1:52:05]

[1:52:06] know we do the resurfacing out

[1:52:08]

[1:52:08] at the gas tax as well.

[1:52:09] that number is different from

[1:52:11]

[1:52:11] this.

[1:52:11] these are two separate pots of

[1:52:15]

[1:52:15] money we chose, where we do our

[1:52:16]

[1:52:17] resurfacing from?

[1:52:17] >> yes, we have a pavement

[1:52:21] preservation program, every

[1:52:22] year, the plan is for us to --

[1:52:24]

[1:52:24] on newer roads.

[1:52:24] we'll use rejuvenator product.

[1:52:31]

[1:52:31] that helps extend the life of

[1:52:35]

[1:52:35] that newer section of road.

[1:52:35] we'll look at other roads,

[1:52:37] that's where he mentioned the

[1:52:39]

[1:52:39] dot software, which we're now

[1:52:42]

[1:52:42] using, it will predict out wha

[1:52:44] t

[1:52:44] we need to do in terms of road

[1:52:48]

[1:52:48] maintenance.

[1:52:48] which roads do we need to look

[1:52:52]

[1:52:53] at --

[1:52:53] [ inaudible ]

[1:52:53] and we set aside a certain

[1:52:56] amount of money for that, which

[1:52:57]

[1:52:58] will involve some sort of

[1:52:59] repaving, and we also have par

[1:53:01] t

[1:53:01] of that 2 million, we'll have

[1:53:04]

[1:53:04] associated concrete work,

[1:53:05] whether it's curb or ada ramp

[1:53:06]

[1:53:06] maybe.

[1:53:06] >> yes, that's correct, exactly

[1:53:16]

[1:53:16] what we were saying.

[1:53:16] the $2 million here for roadway

[1:53:19]

[1:53:19] resurfacing, is a transfer fro

[1:53:21] m

[1:53:21] solid waste for damage done by

[1:53:26]

[1:53:26] the trash trucks.

[1:53:26] this comes from the solid waste

[1:53:28]

[1:53:28] and transfers to the roadways.

[1:53:32]

[1:53:32] >> thank you very much for that

[1:53:35] .

[1:53:35] this software that we have, am

[1:53:36] I

[1:53:36] hearing that the software is

[1:53:38] doing the prioritization of th

[1:53:40] e

[1:53:41] streets?

[1:53:41] or how are we prioritizing?

[1:53:43] >> yes, so we -- basically, the

[1:53:46]

[1:53:46] first cut at it, our pavement

[1:53:49]

[1:53:49] condition index.

[1:53:49] the pci, what's the rating of

[1:53:52]

[1:53:52] the road.

[1:53:52] we also have the sbi, the socia

[1:53:57] l

[1:53:57] vulnerability index is also put

[1:53:59]

[1:54:00] into that scenario, so it's a -

[1:54:03] -

[1:54:03] in the end, it's 80% functional

[1:54:06]

[1:54:06] class, and pci is factored int

[1:54:09] o

[1:54:09] that and 20% sbi to determine

[1:54:12]

[1:54:12] what we call the krit kalety

[1:54:14] score.

[1:54:14] and then what the team will do

[1:54:17]

[1:54:17] from there.

[1:54:18] we look at it on a map, and loo

[1:54:20] k

[1:54:20] at it in the field to assess,

[1:54:22]

[1:54:22] and make sure that what's being

[1:54:24]

[1:54:25] predicted by the program is wha

[1:54:26] t

[1:54:26] we should be doing, and so

[1:54:29] generally speaking, as we use

[1:54:31]

[1:54:31] this program multiple years in

[1:54:33] a

[1:54:33] row, it will become more

[1:54:36] predictable, we will be able to

[1:54:37]

[1:54:37] better set or just, where we s

[1:54:39] ee

[1:54:39] there may be an error in the

[1:54:42] program.

[1:54:42] it's brand program for us, and

[1:54:43]

[1:54:44] we're still working out some o

[1:54:45] f

[1:54:45] the bugs.

[1:54:45] that is the plan.

[1:54:48] >> is it safe for me or this

[1:54:50] commission to assume that -- I

[1:54:51]

[1:54:51] mean, obviously, your

[1:54:53] professional expertise will

[1:54:55] override any glitches that you

[1:54:56]

[1:54:56] see in the system.

[1:54:57] because I mean, I -- software I

[1:54:59] s

[1:54:59] wonderful and it's helpful, but

[1:55:01]

[1:55:01] there is nothing in my mind tha

[1:55:05] t

[1:55:05] can substitute for a human eye

[1:55:08]

[1:55:08] on a lot of these situations

[1:55:12] that hear from community et

[1:55:13] cetera.

[1:55:13] you all will be making final

[1:55:15] decisions, and especially since

[1:55:16]

[1:55:16] this is new, we will be relying

[1:55:19]

[1:55:19] on you now?

[1:55:19] >> what will be relying on me

[1:55:22]

[1:55:22] now?

[1:55:22] >> in other words, you're not

[1:55:23]

[1:55:23] solely relying on the software

[1:55:25] .

[1:55:25] you're going to be making these

[1:55:26]

[1:55:26] egs doeses as human beings

[1:55:28] first?

[1:55:28] >> that is correct.

[1:55:29] we will definitely be taking

[1:55:32] what the software gives us, and

[1:55:33]

[1:55:33] then, does that make sense, and

[1:55:35]

[1:55:36] ground truth.

[1:55:36] and also look at mapping?

[1:55:39] where are the numbers hitting,

[1:55:40]

[1:55:41] and trying to make sure we stay

[1:55:43]

[1:55:43] distributed.

[1:55:43] but also, incorporating in the

[1:55:46]

[1:55:46] sbi.

[1:55:46] >> thank you.

[1:55:47] >> you're welcome.

[1:55:50] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:55:53] commissioner duncan walker.

[1:55:53] madam clerk, do we have any

[1:55:56] public commeon this?

[1:55:59] >> no public comment on this.

[1:56:00] >> mayor: thank you all for wha

[1:56:01] t

[1:56:01] you do.

[1:56:02] we appreciate you spending the

[1:56:03]

[1:56:03] time with us today.

[1:56:03] >> thank you.

[1:56:07] >> mayor: madam clerk.

[1:56:08] >> we're on to our next item,

[1:56:13]

[1:56:13] 2026-235 request to amend budge

[1:56:19] t

[1:56:19] for office of city auditor, to

[1:56:23]

[1:56:24] authorize the office of

[1:56:25] management and budget to amend

[1:56:26]

[1:56:27] the city auditor's office

[1:56:28] budget.

[1:56:28] >> mayor: welcome mr. Auditor.

[1:56:31]

[1:56:31] >> good morning, mr. Mayor,

[1:56:35] members of the city commission

[1:56:36] .

[1:56:36] I'm the city auditor.

[1:56:38] I do not have any presentation

[1:56:40]

[1:56:41] slides, I don't intend for thi

[1:56:44] s

[1:56:44] to be long.

[1:56:45] and also, prior to this meeting,

[1:56:46]

[1:56:46] I have held one on one decisio

[1:56:49] ns

[1:56:49] with each and every member of

[1:56:51]

[1:56:51] the city commission and each a

[1:56:53] nd

[1:56:53] every member of the city

[1:56:55] commission knows my request.

[1:56:57] the office of the city is

[1:57:01] helping us better carry out the

[1:57:02]

[1:57:03] office.

[1:57:03] we're asking for an amount of

[1:57:08]

[1:57:08] $45,000 to do two things.

[1:57:10] we would like to be able to use

[1:57:11]

[1:57:12] the services of private internal

[1:57:14]

[1:57:14] audit consulting firms.

[1:57:15] in this process, we go out to

[1:57:20]

[1:57:20] ask external auditors to come I

[1:57:23] n

[1:57:23] and work with us on projects n

[1:57:26]

[1:57:26] an approach we call cost

[1:57:33] servicing.

[1:57:33] this helps us to move along in

[1:57:36]

[1:57:37] our -- in the incorporation of

[1:57:38]

[1:57:38] the audit plan.

[1:57:39] the other thing we'd like to be

[1:57:41]

[1:57:41] able to do with this amendment

[1:57:43]

[1:57:44] is to promote a member in our

[1:57:47]

[1:57:47] office who is now a staff

[1:57:48] auditor to the position of

[1:57:51] senior internal auditor.

[1:57:53] let me pull this up for you to

[1:57:56]

[1:57:56] see.

[1:57:56] this is the organizational cha

[1:58:03] rt

[1:58:03] of the city office.

[1:58:07] the red that you see is the

[1:58:09] senior auditor position, at thi

[1:58:11] s

[1:58:11] time it is not funded.

[1:58:13] we have it, but it's frozen.

[1:58:15] on this side -- what I'm tryin

[1:58:17] g

[1:58:17] to do is to move the staff

[1:58:21] auditor from being staff audit

[1:58:22] or

[1:58:22] from the position to the

[1:58:24] position of senior auditor.

[1:58:25] he's been with us for close to

[1:58:27]

[1:58:27] four years now.

[1:58:32] he's a good auditor.

[1:58:34] during the time he's been with

[1:58:36]

[1:58:36] us, he's been able to get his

[1:58:39]

[1:58:39] auditor qualification.

[1:58:40] he's a cia internal auditor.

[1:58:42] the qualification is an

[1:58:46] international qualification.

[1:58:48] international credential.

[1:58:49] that means, wherever he goes,

[1:58:52]

[1:58:52] he's recognized as a competent

[1:58:53]

[1:58:54] auditor.

[1:58:54] I would like to ask you to

[1:58:58] unfreeze the senior auditor

[1:59:00] position, to enable me to move

[1:59:05]

[1:59:06] the stuff into that, I would a

[1:59:10] sk

[1:59:10] you to freeze the staff auditor

[1:59:13]

[1:59:13] position that we continue to

[1:59:15] have.

[1:59:15] one that is not funded but

[1:59:17] available to us at any time.

[1:59:18] I would like to mention, again,

[1:59:25]

[1:59:25] I mention that we're asking for

[1:59:27]

[1:59:29] $45,000.

[1:59:29] this year, fiscal fy '26, my

[1:59:36] office absorbed a 6% reduction

[1:59:39]

[1:59:39] in its budget.

[1:59:40] if you approve this request I'm

[1:59:44]

[1:59:45] making now, my office will sti

[1:59:49] ll

[1:59:49] have absorbed 11.6% in the

[1:59:54] reduction of budget from last

[1:59:56]

[1:59:56] year, so we are still in

[2:00:01] difficult budgetary times.

[2:00:02] but still, 45,000 does does not

[2:00:06]

[2:00:06] mean all of a sudden, we're not

[2:00:08]

[2:00:12] contributing to trying to

[2:00:13] ameliorate the problems we're

[2:00:14]

[2:00:14] having in our city budgets.

[2:00:16] that is the position we am be,

[2:00:17]

[2:00:18] if you approve this

[2:00:23] recommendation.

[2:00:23] in the document o taking that I

[2:00:24]

[2:00:24] have, you will find all of this

[2:00:26] ,

[2:00:26] you will find a little bit of

[2:00:31]

[2:00:31] some numbers that we have

[2:00:35] alongside our budget office, t

[2:00:36] o

[2:00:37] show you how much will go towar

[2:00:39] d

[2:00:39] funding the senior auditor

[2:00:41] position if it happens.

[2:00:42] you will also find that I

[2:00:46] provided some descriptions of

[2:00:48]

[2:00:48] the jobs of senior auditor.

[2:00:52] staff auditor.

[2:00:53] you have it with you, other tha

[2:01:01] n

[2:01:01] that.

[2:01:01] unless you have any questions,

[2:01:03] I

[2:01:04] would like to ask for you to

[2:01:06] approve my request.

[2:01:07] >> mayor okay, any questions o

[2:01:08] r

[2:01:08] a motion or anything?

[2:01:13] commissioner eastman?

[2:01:14] >> yes, thank you.

[2:01:16] it seems to me like we -- that

[2:01:20]

[2:01:20] this is -- as you said, you've

[2:01:22]

[2:01:22] split this up into two, right?

[2:01:23]

[2:01:23] one of which is about fte's and

[2:01:26]

[2:01:26] how you would like to structure

[2:01:28]

[2:01:28] your fte's internally, which I

[2:01:30]

[2:01:31] think is a conversation that -

[2:01:33] -

[2:01:34] we froze about 30 positions las

[2:01:35] t

[2:01:35] time.

[2:01:35] do we want to continue to have

[2:01:38]

[2:01:38] those frozen, do we eliminate

[2:01:40]

[2:01:40] these positions, how do we rig

[2:01:43] ht

[2:01:43] size departments.

[2:01:43] having a stock of frozen

[2:01:45] positions that are held year

[2:01:46] over year, doesn't make a lot o

[2:01:48] f

[2:01:48] sense, and it would make sense

[2:01:49]

[2:01:50] in the budget cycle to look at

[2:01:52] ,

[2:01:52] what positions do we want

[2:01:55] going-forward.

[2:01:55] because we're looking at a

[2:01:58] budget gap, does it make sense.

[2:01:59]

[2:01:59] setting that to the side, the

[2:02:01]

[2:02:01] other one is the expansion of

[2:02:04]

[2:02:04] the auditor's ability to do mor

[2:02:06] e

[2:02:06] of the audits, I'll say that -

[2:02:08] -

[2:02:09] you have a very aggressive aud

[2:02:11] it

[2:02:11] plan that you guys were looking

[2:02:13]

[2:02:13] at in increasing the

[2:02:14] >> that is correct.

[2:02:19] we have 10 audit topics on the

[2:02:20]

[2:02:20] awed it the plan.

[2:02:21] this time the mayor already

[2:02:23] mentioned the fact that we have

[2:02:24]

[2:02:24] some items on the consent

[2:02:26] agenda.

[2:02:26] two of these items are audits

[2:02:28]

[2:02:28] that we completed.

[2:02:28] >> right.

[2:02:29]

[2:02:29] >> we are currently working on

[2:02:34]

[2:02:34] two audits that we hope to

[2:02:36] complete by june in the next

[2:02:38] audit committee meeting.

[2:02:38] we would like to do more.

[2:02:40] we have an internal performance

[2:02:42]

[2:02:43] metric of 85% completion of our

[2:02:45]

[2:02:47] audit plan.

[2:02:47] that is very aggressive.

[2:02:50] we might not be able to hit

[2:02:52] that, but we want to be able to

[2:02:54]

[2:02:54] move towards it.

[2:02:54] there are certain performance

[2:03:00]

[2:03:00] levels that cause people to

[2:03:03] wonder what's going on.

[2:03:04] I'll just put it that way.

[2:03:08] if you, say, complete only 50%

[2:03:10]

[2:03:11] of your audit plan, this is jus

[2:03:13] t

[2:03:13] a number I'm just throwing,

[2:03:16] compared to, say, 80% of the

[2:03:19] audit plan, people might begin

[2:03:20]

[2:03:20] to think -- and by people, I

[2:03:22] mean industry experts, people

[2:03:24]

[2:03:24] might think, there has to be

[2:03:25] some reason why this is the

[2:03:26] case.

[2:03:26] when they do that and whethey

[2:03:30]

[2:03:30] have those thoughts, when tito

[2:03:30] be audited like

[2:03:32] we are here, late last year, w

[2:03:35] e

[2:03:35] begin to look into that to fin

[2:03:37] d

[2:03:37] out exactly why that is the

[2:03:38] case.

[2:03:38] and we don't want that to

[2:03:40] happen.

[2:03:40] that is why we want to move as

[2:03:42]

[2:03:43] aggressively as we can, as muc

[2:03:43] h

[2:03:44] as we can.

[2:03:44] >> why does a gap between what

[2:03:46]

[2:03:46] we had our audit plan versus

[2:03:49] what we were able to accomplis

[2:03:50] h

[2:03:50] in the audit plan?

[2:03:51] is that what you are saying?

[2:03:52] >> that is right.

[2:03:53] when auditors come, one of the

[2:03:54]

[2:03:54] things they look at is they loo

[2:03:55] k

[2:03:55] at the audit plan, and they loo

[2:03:57] k

[2:03:57] at what you have accomplished.

[2:03:58]

[2:03:58] they want to know if you are t

[2:04:02] oo

[2:04:02] far away from completing your

[2:04:04]

[2:04:04] audit plan, they don't expect

[2:04:06]

[2:04:06] that you complete it.

[2:04:07] it's not easy, but they expect

[2:04:10]

[2:04:10] that you heed a benchmark is

[2:04:12] 85%.

[2:04:12] so if you are far from that 85%,

[2:04:17]

[2:04:17] you might begin to wonder, why

[2:04:19]

[2:04:19] is that the case?

[2:04:20] and then we don't want to be I

[2:04:22] n

[2:04:22] such position.

[2:04:22] >> right, right.

[2:04:24] and so I'll just say, I mean -

[2:04:26] -

[2:04:27] so we had a reduction overall I

[2:04:30] n

[2:04:30] the administrative oversight o

[2:04:31] f

[2:04:32] multiple departments within the

[2:04:32]

[2:04:33] city, right?

[2:04:34] because gainesville utilities

[2:04:36]

[2:04:36] moved out from under there.

[2:04:36] so a number of departments wer

[2:04:39] e

[2:04:39] reduced at that time.

[2:04:40] we now, I would say that gener

[2:04:43] al

[2:04:43] government is probably being

[2:04:45] audited more so than it had in

[2:04:46]

[2:04:46] the past because it is about 1

[2:04:47] /3

[2:04:47] of your overall auditing was a

[2:04:50] t

[2:04:50] the g.r.u. Side.

[2:04:51] and then there was a reduction

[2:04:52]

[2:04:53] in overall, but there's still,

[2:04:54]

[2:04:54] you know, a significant amount

[2:04:55]

[2:04:55] of resources going over the

[2:04:57] general government.

[2:04:57] I guess my point is, as of

[2:04:59] yesterday we were six months

[2:05:00] into our overall budget.

[2:05:01] october 1 was when the budget

[2:05:03]

[2:05:03] started.

[2:05:03] april 1 is our six-month time.

[2:05:07]

[2:05:07] and I could consider freezing

[2:05:12]

[2:05:12] the one position, unfreezing

[2:05:14] that position, which would put

[2:05:15]

[2:05:16] -- it's 11,000 for the rest of

[2:05:17]

[2:05:17] the year.

[2:05:17] it's 22,000 going forward, plus

[2:05:20] ,

[2:05:20] I'd imagine, some amount of

[2:05:23] increase that would come from

[2:05:24]

[2:05:24] cost of living.

[2:05:25] but I think all of our

[2:05:27] departments across the board w

[2:05:28] e

[2:05:28] have froze a number of

[2:05:29] departments and eliminated --

[2:05:30]

[2:05:30] frozen a lot of positions.

[2:05:31] I think everyone, we need to

[2:05:33] really hold the line on trying

[2:05:34]

[2:05:34] to say the level of service and

[2:05:35]

[2:05:35] what we have agreed to is what

[2:05:37]

[2:05:37] we're going to accomplish withi

[2:05:38] n

[2:05:38] the budget is what we're

[2:05:40] agreeing to, and roll the rest

[2:05:41]

[2:05:41] of that over into the next

[2:05:42] budget year.

[2:05:43] and so those are my thoughts,

[2:05:45]

[2:05:45] mr. Mayor.

[2:05:46] >> mayor: thank you.

[2:05:46] commissioner eastman.

[2:05:47] and commissioner book.

[2:05:48] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:05:50] just a few questions.

[2:05:52] do you know, what was the

[2:05:54] position levelling that we have

[2:05:56]

[2:05:56] this in some previous documents

[2:05:57]

[2:05:57] of the auditor's office pre-gr

[2:05:59] u

[2:06:00] split?

[2:06:00] how many positions was that?

[2:06:02] >> so it would be 2022 and back

[2:06:05] .

[2:06:05] >> I believe it was seven.

[2:06:08] I might be wrong.

[2:06:08] maybe six.

[2:06:10] but it was maybe an intention t

[2:06:12] o

[2:06:12] have a seventh.

[2:06:12] >> I see.

[2:06:15] I see.

[2:06:16] I see your staff nodding their

[2:06:17]

[2:06:17] head.

[2:06:17] that is really important becau

[2:06:19] se

[2:06:19] what commissioner eastman is

[2:06:20] talking about is when you move

[2:06:21]

[2:06:21] different pieces away from a

[2:06:23] city, we should have appropria

[2:06:23] te

[2:06:23] reductions to deal with the --

[2:06:27]

[2:06:27] but that was already done in th

[2:06:28] e

[2:06:28] auditor's office.

[2:06:28] and as it relates to the total

[2:06:30]

[2:06:31] figure, we're talking about

[2:06:33] $45,000 across these two

[2:06:34] different aspects.

[2:06:35] one is for services and one is

[2:06:37] a

[2:06:38] percentage of a year for a

[2:06:40] position upgrade is what I loo

[2:06:42] k

[2:06:43] at.

[2:06:43] is that -- has that, the piece

[2:06:45]

[2:06:45] related to the position, been

[2:06:47]

[2:06:47] run through h.r.?

[2:06:47] because you have already kind o

[2:06:48] f

[2:06:48] focused on a specific process

[2:06:50]

[2:06:50] and upgrading a position.

[2:06:52] just want to make sure, as

[2:06:54] always, are we following the

[2:06:55] process there?

[2:06:55] and what is h.r.'s thoughts

[2:06:58] about that?

[2:06:58] >> yeah, and before we can sta

[2:07:01] rt

[2:07:01] with all this, I consulted wit

[2:07:03] h

[2:07:03] the h.r. Director.

[2:07:04] I also consulted with the budge

[2:07:06] t

[2:07:06] office, and we made sure that w

[2:07:08] e

[2:07:08] followed the proper process.

[2:07:11] and the process we are following

[2:07:13]

[2:07:13] is within policy.

[2:07:15] >> and so if this were to move

[2:07:18]

[2:07:18] forward, there would be no iss

[2:07:20] ue

[2:07:20] with pre-identifying a person

[2:07:22]

[2:07:22] who was in a position that bas

[2:07:23] ed

[2:07:23] on their skills and abilities

[2:07:26]

[2:07:26] and probably the job

[2:07:27] description, where the job aud

[2:07:28] it

[2:07:28] itself, and they would, in fact

[2:07:30] ,

[2:07:30] be able to ascend to that

[2:07:32] position and creates no problem

[2:07:33]

[2:07:33] in the process.

[2:07:33] >> absolutely.

[2:07:36] >> okay.

[2:07:36] well, I just -- mr. Manager, I

[2:07:40]

[2:07:40] don't know if you want to weigh

[2:07:40]

[2:07:41] in or should weigh in, but fro

[2:07:42] m

[2:07:42] a standpoint of the 45,000 rig

[2:07:44] ht

[2:07:44] now at the middle of the budge

[2:07:46] t

[2:07:46] year, and any thoughts about

[2:07:49] where that would come from?

[2:07:50] or what that means for us moving

[2:07:54]

[2:07:54] on our potential finances

[2:07:56] through the fiscal year?

[2:07:57] >> mr. Mayor, I don't have

[2:08:01] anything, I guess, specific in

[2:08:03]

[2:08:03] terms of weighing in.

[2:08:06] I do -- as the auditor

[2:08:11] indicated, he has been meeting

[2:08:12]

[2:08:12] about the budget.

[2:08:13] I haven't received anything fro

[2:08:14] m

[2:08:14] the budget office in terms of

[2:08:18]

[2:08:18] concern about the $45,000, and

[2:08:18] I

[2:08:19] think that's largely in part d

[2:08:20] ue

[2:08:20] to the auditor's willingness t

[2:08:23] o

[2:08:23] swap essentially one position

[2:08:24]

[2:08:24] for the other in terms of

[2:08:26] frozen.

[2:08:26] >> just the fact we have over

[2:08:29]

[2:08:29] 1,200 employees and we've been

[2:08:31]

[2:08:32] scrutinizing them basically

[2:08:32] position by position is a reall

[2:08:35] y

[2:08:35] good thing in different, you

[2:08:37] know, in difficult financal

[2:08:38] times, that is what we've done

[2:08:40] .

[2:08:40] that is what has led us to

[2:08:41] freeze essentially 30 positions

[2:08:42]

[2:08:42] through the fiscal year that

[2:08:44] will probably come up in other

[2:08:45]

[2:08:46] agenda items, but just would

[2:08:48] like when equal opportunity cam

[2:08:50] e

[2:08:50] to forest to mrak slight

[2:08:52] adjustment, and we supported it

[2:08:56] .

[2:08:56] I'm always -- I'm hesitant to

[2:08:58]

[2:08:58] increase things through the

[2:09:00] budget year during the budget

[2:09:03]

[2:09:03] year.

[2:09:03] on the other hand, our city

[2:09:04] leaders should have the ability

[2:09:05]

[2:09:06] to make small and incremental

[2:09:08]

[2:09:08] additions, subtractions that

[2:09:10] allow them to be efficient and

[2:09:10]

[2:09:11] tell us what they need, and I

[2:09:12]

[2:09:12] think this is one of those

[2:09:15] cases.

[2:09:15] as the money comes through

[2:09:18] general revenue, I would suppo

[2:09:20] rt

[2:09:20] it.

[2:09:20] but again, we have to be looki

[2:09:21] ng

[2:09:21] across all positions and across

[2:09:24]

[2:09:25] all charters actually when the

[2:09:26] y

[2:09:27] come before us.

[2:09:28] so thank you for that

[2:09:29] information.

[2:09:29] >> thank you, commissioner book

[2:09:32] .

[2:09:32] commissioner duncan-walker.

[2:09:34] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:09:36] thank you for being very, very

[2:09:37]

[2:09:38] thorough and making sure you

[2:09:39] covered many, if not all, of th

[2:09:41] e

[2:09:41] bases in regards to speaking

[2:09:42] with h.r., speaking to budgeting

[2:09:43]

[2:09:43] so that you could come to us

[2:09:45] with something that was not hal

[2:09:46] f

[2:09:46] baked but very well thought ou

[2:09:48] t.

[2:09:48] I do remember our conversation

[2:09:53] ,

[2:09:54] and I could appreciate your

[2:09:54] level of thoroughness then jus

[2:09:56] t

[2:09:56] as I appreciate it today.

[2:09:57] I think this is a reasonable

[2:10:00] request.

[2:10:00] and I think the ability of you

[2:10:02]

[2:10:02] to be having to trade off a

[2:10:04] position is something that I

[2:10:06] consider very, very important.

[2:10:08]

[2:10:08] I think that the request is

[2:10:10] small.

[2:10:11] it's reasonable considering what

[2:10:12]

[2:10:12] it is that your office has to

[2:10:13]

[2:10:13] do, and I support it.

[2:10:15] thank you.

[2:10:15] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:10:17] commissioner duncan-walker.

[2:10:17] commissioner chestnut.

[2:10:19] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:10:24] I support the $11,000 towards

[2:10:27]

[2:10:27] your staff, your senior staff

[2:10:30]

[2:10:30] auditor.

[2:10:30] where I have the concern is wit

[2:10:32] h

[2:10:32] the, I guess the overall $33,00

[2:10:38] 0

[2:10:38] increase.

[2:10:38] now, prior to this year, this

[2:10:46]

[2:10:46] year I'll say, for average

[2:10:48] number of audits was at six?

[2:10:50] >> I would say we moved from

[2:10:53] five, six, sometimes four.

[2:10:54] >> but it wasn't 10.

[2:10:55] it wasn't 10.

[2:10:56] >> I don't remember it ever

[2:10:58] being 10.

[2:10:58] >> no.

[2:10:59] it was not 10.

[2:11:01] I think we had a reduction whe

[2:11:04] n

[2:11:05] we moved from having g.r.u. Plu

[2:11:07] s

[2:11:07] general government, and then I

[2:11:09]

[2:11:09] think you went up from six to

[2:11:13]

[2:11:13] 10.

[2:11:13] while that's very ambitious and

[2:11:17]

[2:11:18] I appreciate that, I think tha

[2:11:20] t

[2:11:20] that's what's causing the

[2:11:23] increase here.

[2:11:24] so I would support the 11,000.

[2:11:30]

[2:11:30] I can't support 44,000.

[2:11:32] >> thank you, commissioner

[2:11:35] willits.

[2:11:35] >> mayor: thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:11:38]

[2:11:38] I think the fte kind of swap I

[2:11:42] s

[2:11:42] great.

[2:11:42] I think it makes sense partial

[2:11:45] ly

[2:11:45] because through some budgeting

[2:11:47]

[2:11:48] cuts, we were -- I think as I

[2:11:50]

[2:11:50] remember, some of the practice

[2:11:52]

[2:11:53] was that sometimes an open

[2:11:55] position is what we kept froze

[2:11:58]

[2:11:58] or it was cut.

[2:11:59] as opposed to firing someone

[2:12:02] from a lower position and then

[2:12:04]

[2:12:05] having to go through a process

[2:12:06]

[2:12:06] of hiring an open position.

[2:12:09] and so this just seems like, yo

[2:12:13] u

[2:12:13] know -- this makes a lot of

[2:12:16] sense to me.

[2:12:16] to structure your office and

[2:12:19] because we just have to do it

[2:12:20]

[2:12:20] through the fte budget process,

[2:12:24]

[2:12:24] that makes sense.

[2:12:24] partially because you've got t

[2:12:26] o

[2:12:26] keep your people.

[2:12:27] and sometimes you really have t

[2:12:29] o

[2:12:29] -- as they progress in their

[2:12:31] career, it makes a lot of sens

[2:12:32] e.

[2:12:32] that makes sense.

[2:12:33] the other issue, I can

[2:12:35] understand the concerns, but I

[2:12:36]

[2:12:36] do encourage my colleagues to g

[2:12:38] o

[2:12:38] back and if you didn't read

[2:12:40] consent agenda item 7 and 8, t

[2:12:42] he

[2:12:42] reports from audit, and

[2:12:45] particularly some of them are

[2:12:46]

[2:12:46] confidential because they

[2:12:47] contain security issues.

[2:12:48] I was very impressed by just t

[2:12:51] he

[2:12:51] past, those two, and one

[2:12:53] previously this spring.

[2:12:54] the ones I've seen this spring

[2:12:56]

[2:12:56] and maybe it was a culminati

[2:13:00] of a lot of work and the

[2:13:03] findings about where managemen

[2:13:05] t

[2:13:05] and the office has worked with

[2:13:06]

[2:13:06] you and identified several

[2:13:07] concerns to make sure that we

[2:13:09]

[2:13:09] can prevent future fraud or any

[2:13:14]

[2:13:15] kind of security threat.

[2:13:15] and so I just -- it reminded m

[2:13:18] e

[2:13:19] why you have to do these becau

[2:13:22] se

[2:13:22] all of our departments are bus

[2:13:23] y

[2:13:24] getting all their work done and

[2:13:26]

[2:13:26] maybe that level of reflection

[2:13:28]

[2:13:29] of process is not the first

[2:13:30] thing they do, but our auditor,

[2:13:32]

[2:13:32] that is the first thing you do

[2:13:33] .

[2:13:33] that's your first concern.

[2:13:35] and so I want to pose a questio

[2:13:37] n to m

[2:13:37] to m colleagues is, was the

[2:13:39] level of general government

[2:13:42] audit appropriate before 2024?

[2:13:43]

[2:13:43] we can reference the past, but

[2:13:45]

[2:13:45] were we getting enough done?

[2:13:48] and we know before fy24 going

[2:13:52]

[2:13:52] back a few years before that,

[2:13:54]

[2:13:54] there were issues with certain

[2:13:55]

[2:13:55] parts of our government that l

[2:13:57] ed

[2:13:57] to staff transition.

[2:13:58] that led to us devolving part o

[2:14:01] f

[2:14:01] your government away and I'm

[2:14:03] talkin

[2:14:05] tal

[2:14:05] talking about riker house, lik

[2:14:11] e

[2:14:12] real concerns.

[2:14:12] and more of our contracts when

[2:14:14]

[2:14:14] we give money to a nonprofit

[2:14:16] partner, that we have some

[2:14:17] ability to audit a portion of

[2:14:18]

[2:14:18] what we give to bee to kind

[2:14:20] of peel back the onion and loo

[2:14:21] k

[2:14:21] a little bit.

[2:14:22] so that is if -- if we want to

[2:14:24]

[2:14:24] do that, but we don't want to

[2:14:26]

[2:14:26] have a little more budget wiggl

[2:14:27] e

[2:14:27] room so that the auditor can

[2:14:29] hire outside, we need to know

[2:14:32]

[2:14:32] that before we even propose or

[2:14:34]

[2:14:36] put that policy in because we

[2:14:38]

[2:14:38] can't give them more work

[2:14:39] without some more resources.

[2:14:40] because we have an item coming

[2:14:44]

[2:14:44] up in the afternoon, similar

[2:14:45] dollar amount coming out of

[2:14:47] proposed to be spent out of

[2:14:49] excess fund balance where we

[2:14:50] will talk about the ability to

[2:14:52]

[2:14:52] audit the money we give them.

[2:14:55] so I will -- it will be hard t

[2:14:58] o

[2:14:58] understand someone voting yes

[2:15:00]

[2:15:00] and we want oversight over the

[2:15:01]

[2:15:03]

[2:15:03] $55,000 for heartwood, but not

[2:15:10]

[2:15:10] the money to go track and the

[2:15:13]

[2:15:13] person potentially being part o

[2:15:13] f

[2:15:13] that audit process.

[2:15:14] I don't know where we're going

[2:15:15]

[2:15:15] to land on both of those, but I

[2:15:17]

[2:15:17] just wanted to bring that up.

[2:15:18] I have similar concerns about

[2:15:20]

[2:15:20] understanding, commissioner

[2:15:22] eastman, about is this

[2:15:23] necessary?

[2:15:23] is the volume?

[2:15:24] but I will say it is hard for m

[2:15:26] e

[2:15:26] to make that decision right now

[2:15:28]

[2:15:28] without using part of the trust

[2:15:30]

[2:15:30] of the auditor to say this is

[2:15:32]

[2:15:32] what we've been working on.

[2:15:33] this is how much gamed out.

[2:15:35] this is how many hours of help

[2:15:37] I

[2:15:37] need as opposed to I need an

[2:15:41] extra position mid year.

[2:15:42] thank you, colleagues.

[2:15:43] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:15:45] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:15:47] commissioner willits.

[2:15:47] commissioner ingle.

[2:15:49] >> looking at your overall

[2:15:50] chart, it looked like a pretty

[2:15:54]

[2:15:54] tight organization.

[2:15:55] so I'm assuming the work of a

[2:15:58]

[2:15:58] senior auditor is being done

[2:16:01] now.

[2:16:01] it's being done by an auditor w

[2:16:03] e

[2:16:03] are not calling a senior

[2:16:05] auditor, is that correct?

[2:16:05] >> you could say that pretty

[2:16:07] much.

[2:16:07] our staff auditor has been

[2:16:09] working very hard under the

[2:16:10] supervision of our senior

[2:16:13] auditor and yourself and our

[2:16:14] I.t. Audit monitor.

[2:16:15] we do cooperate on every audit

[2:16:18]

[2:16:18] and we do provide that kind of

[2:16:20]

[2:16:21] supervision.

[2:16:21] when somebody becomes a senior

[2:16:23]

[2:16:23] auditor moving from staff

[2:16:25] auditor position, they need --

[2:16:26]

[2:16:26] they will require less

[2:16:28] supervision, thereby kind of

[2:16:29] allowing the other auditors to

[2:16:32]

[2:16:32] regulate more time to other

[2:16:34] projects.

[2:16:34] >> that makes a lot of sense t

[2:16:38] o

[2:16:38] me.

[2:16:38] if that will free up the other

[2:16:42]

[2:16:42] time because this person issed

[2:16:42] a

[2:16:43] vanced enough in their -- is

[2:16:45] advanced enough in their caree

[2:16:46] r

[2:16:47] they don't have to have that

[2:16:48] constant oversight, then I thi

[2:16:50] nk

[2:16:50] if everybody was given that type

[2:16:51]

[2:16:51] of responsibility, they would b

[2:16:53] e

[2:16:53] given the pay commensurate wit

[2:16:54] h

[2:16:54] that.

[2:16:54] otherwise, we are just saving

[2:16:56]

[2:16:56] money off the back of one

[2:16:57] worker, and I am in no way in

[2:16:59]

[2:16:59] favor of that.

[2:17:00] I'm okay with this.

[2:17:04] I think it's a relatively small

[2:17:06]

[2:17:06] about of money and the charter

[2:17:07]

[2:17:08] office coming and telling me

[2:17:10] this small amount of money is

[2:17:11]

[2:17:11] what it will take to correctly

[2:17:12]

[2:17:12] do it, I am all right with thi

[2:17:13] s

[2:17:13] for myself.

[2:17:14] thanks.

[2:17:14] >> mayor: all right.

[2:17:16] thank you, commissioner ingle.

[2:17:17]

[2:17:17] is there any public comment,

[2:17:19] madam clerk?

[2:17:19] >> mr. Mayor, there is no publi

[2:17:21] c

[2:17:21] comment.

[2:17:21] >> mayor: anyone else?

[2:17:23] commissioner eastman?

[2:17:24] >> I'm make a motion and if

[2:17:26] someone wants to make a motion

[2:17:27]

[2:17:27] about the seconart.

[2:17:28] as I mention, I support th firspart

[2:17:32] firspart that the city

[2:17:33] commission authorize the [audio

[2:17:34]

[2:17:37] disruption]

[2:17:37] and authorize to amend the cit

[2:17:38] y

[2:17:39] auditor's budget in the amount

[2:17:42]

[2:17:42] of $11,488.

[2:17:42] >> mayor: motion and a second.

[2:17:44]

[2:17:44] all in favor say aye.

[2:17:46] any opposed?

[2:17:46] all right.

[2:17:47] that passes unanimously.

[2:17:48] anyone want to approach the

[2:17:51] other issue?

[2:17:51] commissioner duncan-walker.

[2:17:55] >> I vote that we apply the

[2:18:01] $33,600 towards the co-sourcin

[2:18:03] g

[2:18:03] of a selected audit project wit

[2:18:06] h

[2:18:06] qualified external audit

[2:18:09] consulting firms.

[2:18:10] >> second.

[2:18:10] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[2:18:11] a

[2:18:12] second.

[2:18:12] any discussion?

[2:18:13] commissioner eastman?

[2:18:13] >> I think that any kind of

[2:18:16] change in budgeting that would

[2:18:17]

[2:18:17] change the oversaul scope, I

[2:18:19] mean, I'm not a blanket opposed

[2:18:21]

[2:18:21] to it.

[2:18:21] obviously we did it in the las

[2:18:23] t

[2:18:23] one, but I think that is the

[2:18:25] purpose of the budget process

[2:18:26]

[2:18:26] that we do starting -- that

[2:18:28] we've already started and goes

[2:18:30]

[2:18:30] through the end of october

[2:18:31] figuring out where our

[2:18:32] priorities are, how that

[2:18:34] balances out with other

[2:18:35] positions we have frozen or not

[2:18:37]

[2:18:37] kept frozen.

[2:18:38] I am not opposed, commissioner

[2:18:40]

[2:18:41] willits, what overall level of

[2:18:42]

[2:18:43] service we want from our

[2:18:45] administrative departments

[2:18:46] versus public works, versus

[2:18:49] parks, and that is what that

[2:18:51] overall budget process would be

[2:18:52] .

[2:18:52] I am comfortable looking at the

[2:18:54]

[2:18:54] overall scope of the audit

[2:18:57] department just like I am

[2:18:58] looking at everyone else durin

[2:18:59] g

[2:18:59] that process, not necessarily

[2:19:00]

[2:19:00] during this one.

[2:19:01] so I'll vote no on it.

[2:19:02] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:19:04] commissioner eastman.

[2:19:05] any other comments?

[2:19:07] commissioner book?

[2:19:09] >> yeah, I'm similarly situated,

[2:19:11]

[2:19:11] mr. Mayor, commissioner eastma

[2:19:14] n,

[2:19:14] that I think we can address tha

[2:19:15] t

[2:19:15] and I think that would be

[2:19:16] appropriate to put that in the

[2:19:17]

[2:19:17] middle of the fiscal year in th

[2:19:20] e

[2:19:20] budget process.

[2:19:20] I think it would be supported.

[2:19:21]

[2:19:21] it's reasonable.

[2:19:23] it's incremental.

[2:19:24] I think probably merely because

[2:19:25]

[2:19:25] we're six months in and we nee

[2:19:27] d

[2:19:27] a little more clarity, we

[2:19:29] probably shouldn't do that at

[2:19:30]

[2:19:30] this point.

[2:19:30] I think we have another -- jus

[2:19:31] t

[2:19:31] the fact I look ahead as we all

[2:19:33]

[2:19:33] do and look at the other budge

[2:19:36] t

[2:19:36] requests that are coming, and w

[2:19:37] e

[2:19:37] kind of have to weigh them all

[2:19:39]

[2:19:39] collectively and kind of at a

[2:19:41]

[2:19:41] 30,000-foot level from what's

[2:19:43]

[2:19:43] best.

[2:19:43] so I support it.

[2:19:44] I just don't support it today.

[2:19:46]

[2:19:46] and that's because we need to

[2:19:47]

[2:19:47] see what our total financial

[2:19:49] picture is.

[2:19:49] thank you.

[2:19:50] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:19:52] commissioner book. M

[2:19:53] m sorry.

[2:19:53] commissioner willits.

[2:19:55] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:19:56] so I have similar concerns abo

[2:19:58] ut

[2:19:58] the full, how we build out

[2:20:00] budget and the level of servic

[2:20:02] e,

[2:20:02] but I just want to remind folk

[2:20:04] s,

[2:20:04] when we talk about the core

[2:20:06] functions of the city.

[2:20:07] this is in our charter.

[2:20:09] public safety is in a lot of

[2:20:11] different places throughout the

[2:20:13]

[2:20:13] state charter, ordinances, but

[2:20:15]

[2:20:15] the office of auditor and the

[2:20:17]

[2:20:17] job to be done is a core servic

[2:20:19] e

[2:20:19] of the city.

[2:20:21] it is a service to ourselves o

[2:20:23] n

[2:20:23] behalf of our residents.

[2:20:24] and so it is -- it is tough

[2:20:28] because, you know, there's a

[2:20:29] charter office for a reason.

[2:20:30] the voters put it there.

[2:20:33] and so yeah, it is tough.

[2:20:36] I know it's an amount of money

[2:20:38]

[2:20:38] that doesn't seem like it is t

[2:20:39] he

[2:20:39] toughest decision in the world,

[2:20:40]

[2:20:40] but I fully understand the

[2:20:43] weight of the decision about

[2:20:45] this.

[2:20:45] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:20:46] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:20:49] commissioner willits.

[2:20:50] madam clerk, since this is goi

[2:20:51] ng

[2:20:51] to be a close vote, call the

[2:20:54] roll please so I don't miss t I

[2:20:55] .

[2:20:55] >> yes, mr. Mayor.

[2:20:57] commissioner book.

[2:20:57] >> nay.

[2:20:58] >> a commissioner chestnut

[2:20:59] >> no.

[2:21:00] >> commissioner duncan-walker.

[2:21:02]

[2:21:02] >> aye.

[2:21:03] >> commissioner eastman.

[2:21:04] >> nay.

[2:21:05] >> commissioner ingle.

[2:21:06] >> aye.

[2:21:09] >> mayor pro tem willits.

[2:21:11] >> aye.

[2:21:13] >> mayor ward.

[2:21:13] >> aye.

[2:21:14] >> that passes 4-3 with book,

[2:21:18]

[2:21:18] eastman and chestnut in dissent.

[2:21:20]

[2:21:20] madam clerk?

[2:21:23] >> all right.

[2:21:24] mr. Mayor, we're on to our

[2:21:29] 2026-235 request to amend budge

[2:21:31] t

[2:21:31] for office of the city auditor

[2:21:33]

[2:21:34] with recommendation the city

[2:21:35] commission authorize human

[2:21:37] resources to unfreeze --

[2:21:38] >> mayor: no.

[2:21:38] >> an I apologize.

[2:21:40] sorry.

[2:21:40] I'll get there.

[2:21:42] hold on one minute.

[2:21:43] >> mayor: we're going to

[2:21:45] reconsider the whole thing?

[2:21:46] >> no.

[2:21:47] we are moving on.

[2:21:48] sorry.

[2:21:48] 2025-170, contract for red lig

[2:21:53] ht

[2:21:53] detection camera enforcement

[2:21:55] system between redspeed florida

[2:21:56]

[2:21:56] llc and the city of gainesvill

[2:21:59] e.

[2:21:59] the recommendation the city

[2:22:00] commission approve the contrac

[2:22:01] t

[2:22:02] with redspeed florida llc and

[2:22:04]

[2:22:04] authorize the city manager or

[2:22:07]

[2:22:07] designee to take up the redspee

[2:22:08] d

[2:22:08] florida contract and execute a

[2:22:09] ll

[2:22:09] documents and contracts related

[2:22:11]

[2:22:11] subject to approval of the cit

[2:22:13] y

[2:22:13] attorney as to form and

[2:22:14] legality.

[2:22:14] >> mayor: welcome.

[2:22:16] >> good afternoon, mayor, city

[2:22:18]

[2:22:18] commissioners, mr. Manager.

[2:22:19] thank you for having me today.

[2:22:22]

[2:22:22] this is part of our florida

[2:22:25] state statute requirement, whi

[2:22:27] ch

[2:22:27] mandates that we bring this

[2:22:29] contract back to you.

[2:22:30] allow it to not go on a consent

[2:22:32]

[2:22:32] agenda so if the public had a

[2:22:35]

[2:22:35] comment about it that they could

[2:22:35]

[2:22:35] make a comment about it.

[2:22:36] we did on may 15 adopt the

[2:22:40] ordinance 2025-170, and it's

[2:22:43] related to, of course, the

[2:22:45] contract for the red light

[2:22:47] cameras.

[2:22:47] this is the contract.

[2:22:48] this is the backup items of th

[2:22:49] e

[2:22:50] scope of services and how we

[2:22:52] will move forward, and so we

[2:22:56] have been in contact both with

[2:22:58]

[2:22:58] the vendor and lee libby has

[2:23:00] helped us all the way through

[2:23:02]

[2:23:02] this because it is new for us a

[2:23:03] t

[2:23:03] the gainesville police

[2:23:04] department.

[2:23:04] I'm here for any questions or

[2:23:06]

[2:23:06] any of that, and to allow for

[2:23:09]

[2:23:09] public comment.

[2:23:09] >> mayor: very good.

[2:23:10] thank you.

[2:23:10] >> and I would remind everyone,

[2:23:12]

[2:23:12] this is about the red light

[2:23:14] cameras, not about school zone

[2:23:16]

[2:23:16] cameras to be specific.

[2:23:17] I know that is easy to conflate

[2:23:18]

[2:23:19] the two.

[2:23:20] we're not on school zones

[2:23:22] contract just yet.

[2:23:23] is there any public comment?

[2:23:25] >> there is no public comment.

[2:23:27]

[2:23:27] >> mayor: okay.

[2:23:28] all right.

[2:23:28] commissioner book.

[2:23:29] >> I remain fully in support.

[2:23:32] we have taken several votes for

[2:23:33]

[2:23:33] both of these forms of

[2:23:35] technology.

[2:23:35] it is all about public safety,

[2:23:36]

[2:23:37] and it's definitely not about

[2:23:38]

[2:23:38] revenue.

[2:23:38] if anything, it appears that o

[2:23:40] ur

[2:23:40] analysis shows that it will be

[2:23:42]

[2:23:42] revenue neutral.

[2:23:43] I suspect it will probably be

[2:23:46]

[2:23:46] revenue negative for plan

[2:23:47] implementation, at least for a

[2:23:48]

[2:23:48] while.

[2:23:48] definitely has nothing to do

[2:23:51] with fees and definitely has

[2:23:52] nothing to do with leveraging

[2:23:54]

[2:23:54] safety and the fact that we

[2:23:56] identified some of our most

[2:23:57] dangerous areas to pilot it

[2:23:59] means that maybe a year down t

[2:24:01] he

[2:24:01] road if we've not done it well

[2:24:02] ,

[2:24:02] it is not implemented in a way

[2:24:03]

[2:24:04] that gives trust to the

[2:24:05] community, then the commission

[2:24:07]

[2:24:07] has the ability to ramp it back

[2:24:08] .

[2:24:08] that is the whole point of the

[2:24:10]

[2:24:10] pilot.

[2:24:10] I say this just as another

[2:24:14] bureaucratic step in support,

[2:24:16]

[2:24:16] and so with that, I recommend

[2:24:18]

[2:24:18] approval of 2025-170, approve

[2:24:20]

[2:24:20] the contract with redspeed,

[2:24:22] authorize the city manage

[2:24:25] areer and

[2:24:26] designee to accept the contrac

[2:24:27] t,

[2:24:27] execute the documents and

[2:24:29] contracts subject to the

[2:24:30] approval of the city attorney.

[2:24:31]

[2:24:31] >> second.

[2:24:32] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:24:34] commissioner book.

[2:24:34] commissioner willits?

[2:24:35] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:24:36] my understanding it is a

[2:24:38] three-year contract with two

[2:24:39] potential extensions of a year

[2:24:41] .

[2:24:41] but it can be terminated early?

[2:24:44]

[2:24:44] pursuant to the contract.

[2:24:46] how -- what are the terms for

[2:24:49]

[2:24:49] terminating early?

[2:24:49] if we only -- if we got a year

[2:24:51]

[2:24:52] into it and we don't like it o

[2:24:53] r

[2:24:53] a future commission doesn't like

[2:24:54]

[2:24:54] it.

[2:24:54] >> so if for some reason we --

[2:24:59]

[2:24:59] if legality in the state level

[2:25:00]

[2:25:01] like the statute went away that

[2:25:02]

[2:25:02] allows us to have them, at any

[2:25:04]

[2:25:04] time we wanted to be able to

[2:25:06] negate that contract.

[2:25:07] we also put a stipulation in

[2:25:10] there.

[2:25:10] I think it's 30 days.

[2:25:11] letting each other know if for

[2:25:13]

[2:25:13] some reason, maybe the camera I

[2:25:15] s

[2:25:15] not functional.

[2:25:16] maybe we are not getting enoug

[2:25:19] h

[2:25:19] -- the decision has changed and

[2:25:20]

[2:25:21] is not supported by the

[2:25:23] legislative body at that time,

[2:25:26]

[2:25:26] we could ask --

[2:25:27] yes.

[2:25:27] >> with a simple majority vote

[2:25:30]

[2:25:30] of the commission, this contract

[2:25:32]

[2:25:32] can be and -- and sorry I did

[2:25:34]

[2:25:34] not go look through for

[2:25:35] penalties.

[2:25:35] just so that I understand, you

[2:25:40]

[2:25:40] know, cancellation, terminatio

[2:25:40] n,

[2:25:40] for cause, without cause, loss

[2:25:44]

[2:25:44] of funding.

[2:25:45] so I just want and maybe this

[2:25:47] is

[2:25:47] deeper, so it's an attorney

[2:25:49] question.

[2:25:49] I just want to fully understand

[2:25:51] .

[2:25:51] if we end up just hating it f

[2:25:54]

[2:25:54] the public hates it, everybody

[2:25:56]

[2:25:57] hates it, whatever, can we jus

[2:26:00] t

[2:26:01] make a -- for no cause, besides

[2:26:03]

[2:26:03] it is unpopular decision to

[2:26:06] terminate what kind of -- I use

[2:26:07]

[2:26:07] the term penalty because I don

[2:26:09] 't

[2:26:09] know any better word.

[2:26:10] can we get out of it at some

[2:26:11] point before the three years?

[2:26:12] >> so all of our contracts with

[2:26:15]

[2:26:15] the city say the vast majority

[2:26:18]

[2:26:18] have a termination for

[2:26:20] conveyance.

[2:26:20] this one says after ayear.

[2:26:22] with 30 days notice, we can

[2:26:24] cancel the agreement.

[2:26:25] >> a year.

[2:26:26] >> and give it a year.

[2:26:27] and then if it's just, like,

[2:26:31] outside -- now, obviously, les

[2:26:32] s

[2:26:33] than a year for cause, there's

[2:26:35]

[2:26:35] some listed in the contract.

[2:26:36] that makes sense.

[2:26:37] if it's really not working and

[2:26:38]

[2:26:39] they really failed and if

[2:26:40] there's cause that we can prov

[2:26:41] e.

[2:26:41] but I'm thinking of the no

[2:26:43] cause, merely convenience, giv

[2:26:44] e

[2:26:44] it a year, and then 30 day,

[2:26:47] which makes me feel a little

[2:26:49] more comfortable with it so try

[2:26:51]

[2:26:53] it out on just two.

[2:26:54] does this contract allow

[2:26:56] expansion of the two to more

[2:26:58] than two should we want within

[2:26:59]

[2:27:00] this three-year period?

[2:27:03] >> it is my understanding from

[2:27:05]

[2:27:06] lee that we would have to enter

[2:27:08]

[2:27:08] into an addendum to the contract

[2:27:09]

[2:27:09] if we were going to do that.

[2:27:11] it does allow for some leeway

[2:27:14]

[2:27:14] for that.

[2:27:14] >> it would involve the same

[2:27:16] steps of, you know, it's got t

[2:27:17] o

[2:27:18] come before it.

[2:27:18] it can't be on continue sent I

[2:27:21] f

[2:27:21] we do an addendum.

[2:27:22] >> I apologize.

[2:27:24] that is a legal question I don

[2:27:25] 't

[2:27:25] have the answer to.

[2:27:27] >> mr. City attorney?

[2:27:28] >> mr. Mayor, this contract, I

[2:27:30]

[2:27:30] think, is for the two

[2:27:32] intersections that were

[2:27:34] identified.

[2:27:34] and I'm not aware of any reaso

[2:27:37] n

[2:27:38] why they wouldn't be willing t

[2:27:39] o

[2:27:39] expand fit it if we wanted to

[2:27:44]

[2:27:44] add --

[2:27:44] >> my question is, would this

[2:27:47]

[2:27:47] return to us in a similar

[2:27:50] fashion?

[2:27:50] would it go through the same

[2:27:52] process?

[2:27:52] >> if you add additional

[2:27:54] intersections, it would come

[2:27:55] back before you.

[2:27:56] >> a yes, statute requires all

[2:27:58]

[2:27:58] approvals from the governing

[2:28:00] body to be done on a regular

[2:28:02] agenda item for all these

[2:28:03] automated enforcement efforts.

[2:28:05]

[2:28:05] the ordinance you adopted liste

[2:28:07] d

[2:28:07] additional intersections as an

[2:28:09]

[2:28:10] authorization, but the

[2:28:11] contracts, yes, would have to

[2:28:12]

[2:28:12] come back and that is for schoo

[2:28:13] l

[2:28:13] zones and for the red lights.

[2:28:14] >> perfect.

[2:28:15] I do remember a list.

[2:28:17] and the contract comes back.

[2:28:18] that's wonderful.

[2:28:19] I would just say, I think I'm

[2:28:21]

[2:28:21] going to support this, and

[2:28:23] because we are down the road.

[2:28:23] we're getting down on this.

[2:28:25] but I do like the idea, and my

[2:28:27]

[2:28:28] colleagues agree, that I want a

[2:28:30]

[2:28:30] real one-year deadline that we

[2:28:31]

[2:28:31] bring back and look at it so

[2:28:33] that we know and if it's

[2:28:34] something we don't like, that w

[2:28:36] e

[2:28:36] look at data, hear community

[2:28:38] feedback, you know, that kind o

[2:28:40] f

[2:28:40] set in stone that ewith're goi

[2:28:41] ng

[2:28:41] to do in a year.

[2:28:42] >> statute actually requires a

[2:28:44] n

[2:28:45] annual report with a regular

[2:28:46] agenda item on the regular

[2:28:47] meeting, not on consent as well

[2:28:49] .

[2:28:49] >> not everything we do is

[2:28:52] mandated by the state

[2:28:52] government, but in this case, I

[2:28:54]

[2:28:54] think --

[2:28:54] it shows that there is an

[2:28:56] interest.

[2:28:56] and so I think I can support

[2:28:58] this.

[2:28:58] thank you.

[2:28:58] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:29:00] commissioner willits.

[2:29:01] xhing commissionerening I I

[2:29:04] think?

[2:29:04] >> this is an issue I really

[2:29:08] have beencommissioner ingle?

[2:29:21] >> this is an issue I really is

[2:29:22] sue

[2:29:23] of folks who don't get mail and

[2:29:25]

[2:29:26] move a lot and missing something

[2:29:27]

[2:29:27] like this and turning from a

[2:29:28] fine they didn't know they had

[2:29:29]

[2:29:30] into a suspended license and a

[2:29:32]

[2:29:32] bench warrant and all the thing

[2:29:33] s

[2:29:33] that go along with that.

[2:29:34] I really wrestled back and for

[2:29:36] th

[2:29:36] with those things.

[2:29:38] in addition to that, there was

[2:29:41]

[2:29:41] recently a case in south flori

[2:29:42] da

[2:29:42] where these cameras were

[2:29:46] declared unconstitutional.

[2:29:47] between those two things, I

[2:29:54] would be more comfortable

[2:29:56] waiting on actually executing

[2:29:57]

[2:29:57] this contract until we had som

[2:30:00] e

[2:30:00] word back from the appeal that'

[2:30:01] s

[2:30:01] going on to that as to whether

[2:30:03]

[2:30:03] or not these are going to

[2:30:05] continue to be legal.

[2:30:05] I don't want to go into putting

[2:30:07]

[2:30:07] in the expense of getting

[2:30:09] special magistrate, getting the

[2:30:11]

[2:30:11] equipment to, or hiring someon

[2:30:12] e

[2:30:12] to review all the tickets, doi

[2:30:14] ng

[2:30:14] all the things that we would

[2:30:15] have to do to make this

[2:30:17] functional, only to find out a

[2:30:19]

[2:30:19] few months from now that it's

[2:30:21]

[2:30:21] not considered constitutional I

[2:30:24] n

[2:30:24] florida anymore.

[2:30:25] I'm also a little, not

[2:30:30] concerned, but curious, as to

[2:30:32]

[2:30:32] whether or not the traffic

[2:30:33] patterns that we used to make

[2:30:34]

[2:30:34] this decision would hold up if

[2:30:37]

[2:30:37] now that they're talking about

[2:30:39]

[2:30:39] closing stephen foster and one

[2:30:43]

[2:30:43] of the intersections we have

[2:30:43] been looking at was the corner

[2:30:45]

[2:30:45] of 6th and 23rd.

[2:30:47] I would imagine a good deal of

[2:30:50]

[2:30:50] that traffic was some school

[2:30:51] traffic for that.

[2:30:51] so I'm a no on this today.

[2:30:53] and I would say I would be jus

[2:30:55] t

[2:30:55] as happy pushing this off until

[2:30:56]

[2:30:57] we've got some real answer as t

[2:30:59] o

[2:30:59] whether or not this is going t

[2:31:02] o

[2:31:02] continue to be found

[2:31:04] unconstitutional and not barri

[2:31:07] ng

[2:31:07] the appeal in south florida.

[2:31:08] that's where I am on it.

[2:31:09] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:31:11] commissioner ingle.

[2:31:12] I will continue to be a yes on

[2:31:16]

[2:31:16] this.

[2:31:16] I have been through.

[2:31:17] I understand the concerns.

[2:31:18] the thing that we have not

[2:31:22] talked about is the tremendous

[2:31:23]

[2:31:23] danger, and I would almost -- I

[2:31:25]

[2:31:25] won't call it an epidemic, but

[2:31:28]

[2:31:28] close to that, of people runni

[2:31:29] ng

[2:31:29] red lights.

[2:31:30] I watched three of them

[2:31:32] yesterday in the space of half

[2:31:34]

[2:31:35] an hour.

[2:31:35] they weren't at these two

[2:31:37] intersections.

[2:31:37] these two intersections are the

[2:31:39]

[2:31:39] ones that the data show us hav

[2:31:43] e

[2:31:43] the most trouble.

[2:31:45] and some weren't even in the t

[2:31:47] op

[2:31:47] two.

[2:31:47] public safety is a thing we ar

[2:31:50] e

[2:31:50] 100%, as you mentioned earlier,

[2:31:51]

[2:31:54] responsible for.

[2:31:55] no question about that.

[2:31:55] if we are committed to vision

[2:31:58]

[2:31:58] zero, we've got to do something

[2:32:00]

[2:32:00] to lower the number of people

[2:32:04]

[2:32:04] running red lights.

[2:32:05] if somebody's got a better idea

[2:32:06] ,

[2:32:06] I'm all ears.

[2:32:07] but until a better idea comes

[2:32:09]

[2:32:09] along, I'm a yes on this.

[2:32:11] is there any public comment,

[2:32:14] madam clerk?

[2:32:15] >> no public comment.

[2:32:16] >> mayor: we have a motion on

[2:32:18]

[2:32:18] the floor.

[2:32:19] all in favor vote aye.

[2:32:21] opposed nay.

[2:32:22] that passes 6-1 with

[2:32:24] commissioner ingle in dissent.

[2:32:25]

[2:32:25] madam clerk?

[2:32:26] >> mr. Mayor, that is our

[2:32:30] morning agenda.

[2:32:30] >> mayor: thank you.

[2:32:31] commissioner duncan-walker?

[2:32:32] >> mr. Mayor, I do have a quick

[2:32:34]

[2:32:34] question with regards to the

[2:32:36] previous agenda item.

[2:32:37] thank you, commissioner ingle,

[2:32:39]

[2:32:40] for your concerns.

[2:32:41] the police advisory council tha

[2:32:44] t

[2:32:44] is seated.

[2:32:45] is it possible to utilize them

[2:32:46]

[2:32:46] in review of some of these cas

[2:32:48] es

[2:32:48] as they come through?

[2:32:51] because what commissioner ingl

[2:32:53] e

[2:32:53] was stating is certainly not

[2:32:55] anything that's lost on me.

[2:32:56] and I wonder if there is a way

[2:33:00]

[2:33:00] for us in an ongoing way as

[2:33:02] opposed to at this year point

[2:33:03]

[2:33:03] where we will have to review

[2:33:05] this, that if we could kind of

[2:33:07]

[2:33:08] have probably a more consistent

[2:33:09]

[2:33:09] review and/or analysis of the

[2:33:12]

[2:33:12] data that we're collecting, so

[2:33:14] e can be more apprised of

[2:33:16] what's actually happening.

[2:33:16] is that a way it could be used

[2:33:20] ?

[2:33:20] >> commission, sergeant lynn

[2:33:24] valdez, traffic unit.

[2:33:26] with the statutory requirement,

[2:33:28]

[2:33:29] part of it is they would like

[2:33:29]

[2:33:29] the public forum, but the vendo

[2:33:31] r

[2:33:31] actually produces reports and

[2:33:34]

[2:33:34] statistical analysis that is

[2:33:35] easily available to everybody.

[2:33:36]

[2:33:36] so we could also present to the

[2:33:39]

[2:33:39] police advisory commission.

[2:33:40] but part of the formality is, I

[2:33:41]

[2:33:41] believe, they want it in this

[2:33:44]

[2:33:44] public setting on record to be

[2:33:47]

[2:33:47] able to comment about what has

[2:33:48]

[2:33:48] gone on in the previous year.

[2:33:50] >> so that happens once per yea

[2:33:52] r

[2:33:52] is what you are talking about.

[2:33:53]

[2:33:53] >> yes, ma'am.

[2:33:54] >> what I am talking about is

[2:33:56]

[2:33:56] the police advisory council tha

[2:33:58] t

[2:33:58] meets how often?

[2:33:59] >> good morning, commissioner.

[2:34:00]

[2:34:00] good morning, mr. City manager,

[2:34:02]

[2:34:03] mr. Mayor.

[2:34:03] absolutely. That council is th

[2:34:08] ere for

[2:34:08] several reasons, one of which I

[2:34:10] s

[2:34:10] to give us advice.

[2:34:11] to have some degree of oversigh

[2:34:12] t

[2:34:12] to our processes.

[2:34:14] I see this as just that.

[2:34:17] so if the commission wanted to

[2:34:19]

[2:34:19] give direction to that council,

[2:34:20]

[2:34:21] certainly that would be within

[2:34:22]

[2:34:22] the purview.

[2:34:23] and we would make whatever

[2:34:27] reported timeline, so on a

[2:34:29] monthly, ongoing, status repor

[2:34:30] t

[2:34:31] because we meet with council

[2:34:32] every month, then that is what

[2:34:33]

[2:34:34] we would do.

[2:34:34] despite the annual reported

[2:34:37] mandate statutorily.

[2:34:38] >> I would be interested in

[2:34:39] that.

[2:34:39] I wonder if it's the appetite

[2:34:42] of

[2:34:42] my colleagues, but I will make

[2:34:44]

[2:34:44] that motion because I think to

[2:34:47]

[2:34:47] put us at ease, to put the

[2:34:49] community at ease, and to make

[2:34:50]

[2:34:50] sure we are staying on top of

[2:34:52]

[2:34:52] what's happening with our

[2:34:53] neighbors, I definitely,

[2:34:54] especially if it's going to not

[2:34:55]

[2:34:55] be that much of an impact, we d

[2:34:57] o

[2:34:57] have a board that sits there for

[2:34:59]

[2:34:59] this particular reason, and I

[2:35:01]

[2:35:01] think that a lot of them might

[2:35:03]

[2:35:03] be interested in this as well.

[2:35:06]

[2:35:06] but I move that we enlist the

[2:35:09]

[2:35:09] police advisory council to

[2:35:12] provide a monthly, ongoing --

[2:35:15]

[2:35:15] commissioner?

[2:35:15] >> sorry.

[2:35:16] the only thing that is still

[2:35:17] unknown to us.

[2:35:17] >> yes.

[2:35:18] >> is the impact on how we're

[2:35:20]

[2:35:20] going to capture the data,

[2:35:22] right?

[2:35:22] the instrument to capture data

[2:35:24]

[2:35:25] is yet unknown.

[2:35:26] so a lot of this will be all

[2:35:29] hands on deck using our

[2:35:30] analysts, using our traffic

[2:35:32] personnel, so I don't have a

[2:35:33] clear picture yet as to how eas

[2:35:35] y

[2:35:35] it is going to be.

[2:35:36] >> right.

[2:35:36] >> so maybe we can have further

[2:35:38]

[2:35:38] dialogue whether it's monthly,

[2:35:39]

[2:35:40] whether it's quarterly, not

[2:35:41] sure.

[2:35:41] but whatever the commission

[2:35:43] arrives at at a reasonable

[2:35:44] timeline, I think we can deliver

[2:35:45]

[2:35:45] that.

[2:35:45] >> okay.

[2:35:47] so let me take the monthly out

[2:35:50]

[2:35:50] now.

[2:35:50] I'll take the monthly out.

[2:35:53] let me just say it like this.

[2:35:57] in response to community need,

[2:36:02]

[2:36:02] in response to a level of

[2:36:07] transparency, I'm interested I

[2:36:09] n

[2:36:09] us being able to provide

[2:36:11] additional information.

[2:36:11] I'm interested in additional

[2:36:15] analysis, okay, that can

[2:36:17] apparently be done through our

[2:36:18]

[2:36:18] police advisory council.

[2:36:19] now, if that's not done on a

[2:36:21] monthly basis, maybe that's

[2:36:23] fine.

[2:36:23] but maybe a quarterly basis.

[2:36:26] because I hear you.

[2:36:27] ther are still a number of

[2:36:30] unknowns here.

[2:36:30] >> commissioner, we can always

[2:36:34]

[2:36:34] as we go along adjust that.

[2:36:36] >> yeah, that's what I'm

[2:36:38] thinking.

[2:36:38] right now let's do quarterly

[2:36:41] because maybe that's the lowes

[2:36:42] t

[2:36:42] burden.

[2:36:42] and it allows you a chance to

[2:36:47]

[2:36:47] figure things out.

[2:36:48] give your advisory council a

[2:36:49] chance to figure things out an

[2:36:51] d

[2:36:51] you all speaking with them and

[2:36:53]

[2:36:53] as developments arise in terms

[2:36:55]

[2:36:55] of how the data will be

[2:36:57] captured, all of that can come

[2:36:58]

[2:36:58] in.

[2:36:58] you hear my concern.

[2:36:59] I'm trying to cobble this

[2:37:02] together on the fly here.

[2:37:04] but the motion is essentially t

[2:37:07] o

[2:37:07] involve the police advisory

[2:37:09] council in an ongoing way to b

[2:37:12] e

[2:37:14] able to analyze this -- the dat

[2:37:15] a

[2:37:15] that has been captured from the

[2:37:17]

[2:37:18] red light cameras.

[2:37:19] >> got it.

[2:37:21] >> mayor: is there a second?

[2:37:22] we have a motion and a second.

[2:37:24]

[2:37:24] commissioner ingle?

[2:37:27] >> I will get it after this

[2:37:29] motion.

[2:37:29] >> mayor: gotcha.

[2:37:30] okay.

[2:37:30] mr. Manager?

[2:37:32] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:37:33] I was going to point out, too,

[2:37:35]

[2:37:35] we can certainly include this

[2:37:36]

[2:37:36] information as we collect it I

[2:37:37] n

[2:37:37] the quarterly reports and

[2:37:39] presentations that g.d.p. Gives

[2:37:40]

[2:37:40] you all, too.

[2:37:41] >> excellent.

[2:37:42] >> mayor: very good.

[2:37:43] commissioner book?

[2:37:44] >> yeah, commissioner

[2:37:46] duncan-walker, more community

[2:37:47]

[2:37:47] sentiment and evaluation does

[2:37:49]

[2:37:49] not hurt is us in any way.

[2:37:51] it is a good thing, and I think

[2:37:52]

[2:37:52] the mayor pro tem was eluding t

[2:37:54] o

[2:37:54] that, too.

[2:37:55] any way we get that and as

[2:37:57] things go on, I think is a goo

[2:37:58] d

[2:37:58] idea.

[2:37:58] thank you.

[2:37:59] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:38:00] commissioner book.

[2:38:01] all in favor please say aye.

[2:38:02] any opposed?

[2:38:03] all right.

[2:38:03] that passes unanimously.

[2:38:04] commissioner ingle, did you hav

[2:38:06] e

[2:38:06] something to add?

[2:38:06] >> yeah, just to throw onto

[2:38:09] that.

[2:38:09] I think we have talked about I

[2:38:11] t

[2:38:11] every time this has come up, a

[2:38:12] n

[2:38:13] issue and the concerns as part

[2:38:14]

[2:38:14] of the report and as part of the

[2:38:16]

[2:38:16] feedback and everything else, I

[2:38:17]

[2:38:18] really want to get some answer

[2:38:20]

[2:38:20] on how many of those red light

[2:38:21]

[2:38:23] tickets are rolling over into

[2:38:25]

[2:38:25] traffic tickets and not just a

[2:38:27]

[2:38:27] civil violation, but actually

[2:38:28]

[2:38:28] rolled over to that.

[2:38:29] and I know you said there was

[2:38:32]

[2:38:32] complications in figuring out

[2:38:33]

[2:38:33] where that information was hel

[2:38:34] d

[2:38:34] and all that, but I want to mak

[2:38:35] e

[2:38:35] sure as part of the report we

[2:38:36] are getting an update of how

[2:38:38] many of these civil violations

[2:38:40]

[2:38:40] end up rolling over into the

[2:38:43] standard traffic violations.

[2:38:44] thank you.

[2:38:45] >> mayor: all right.

[2:38:46] thank you, commissioner ingle.

[2:38:47]

[2:38:47] all right.

[2:38:48] I see no no further lights.

[2:38:51] we will reconvene at 1:00.

[0:00] .

[23:48:52] >> mayor: good afternoon,

[3:42] everyone.

[3:42] welcome to the afternoon

[3:43] association of this april 2nd,

[3:47]

[3:47] 2026, city commission meeting.

[3:47]

[3:47] the afternoon will be just as

[3:49] packed as the morning was.

[3:51] madam clerk.

[3:52] >> mr. Mayor, we have the

[3:57] gainesville history moment to b

[3:58] e

[3:58] presented by ms. Donna waller.

[4:00]

[4:00] >> mayor: welcome.

[4:04] good to see you.

[4:06] >> always nice to see you

[4:09] folks.

[4:09] today some of you may remember

[4:15]

[4:15] that I was, that last time I was

[4:17]

[4:17] here, I talked about essential

[4:22] ly

[4:22] the african american background

[4:26]

[4:26] of gainesville and own one of

[4:30] the things I pointed out was t

[4:31] he

[4:31] pleasant striet plez --

[4:34] pleasant

[4:34] street neighborhood wasn't jus

[4:36] t

[4:36] gainesville's first african

[4:36] american neighborhood but it wa

[4:37] s

[4:37] really gainesville's first real

[4:42]

[4:42] neighborhood, and so today wha

[4:45] t

[4:45] I want to talk about is what w

[4:49] as

[4:49] actually the first real white

[4:54] neighborhood in gainesville.

[4:56] and I want to start and ask you

[5:00]

[5:00] to sort of consider this fact,

[5:04]

[5:04] which plays off something else

[5:06] I

[5:06] said last month.

[5:08] which is that in 1860, which I

[5:12] s

[5:12] the year when the civil war

[5:14] broke out, gainesville had 223

[5:21]

[5:21] white residents according to th

[5:25] e

[5:25] 1860 census.

[5:26] so when you think about the

[5:29] development of gainesville, yo

[5:32] u

[5:32] want to recognize that at, sor

[5:39] t

[5:39] of the moment of chartering in

[5:41]

[5:41] many ways, gainesville really

[5:45] only had what we would think o

[5:48] f

[5:48] as a block of permanent white

[5:53] residents.

[5:53] and just like pleasant street

[5:58] and the african american

[6:00] population grew because of the

[6:04]

[6:04] war and the railroads, so did

[6:08] the white population, and you

[6:10] might recall that I said that

[6:14] african americans and people o

[6:16] f

[6:16] color were majority of this

[6:18] county.

[6:18] up through the 1880s.

[6:24] and it was, it was the railroads

[6:27]

[6:27] that changed all that.

[6:30] gainesville was very lucky tha

[6:32] t

[6:32] the union armies did not pull u

[6:34] p

[6:34] the railroad tracks during the

[6:37]

[6:37] war.

[6:37] and by the 1880s, the

[6:39] railroads had expanded greatly

[6:43]

[6:43] in florida, but I'm always

[6:46] learning new stuff, and this I

[6:49] s

[6:49] the new one for this time.

[6:51] I did not properly understand

[6:53] until last week that gainesvil

[6:57] le

[6:57] was essentially the last

[7:00] railroad stop in central flori

[7:05] da

[7:05] until after 1900.

[7:10] if you wanted to come to florida

[7:12]

[7:12] and go further south, you had t

[7:16] o

[7:16] take a wagon train or some oth

[7:19] er

[7:19] kind of vehicle.

[7:23] so when you think about why we

[7:25]

[7:25] have that train on our seal up

[7:29]

[7:29] above the mayor's head, it's

[7:32] because this town was really

[7:34] made by the railroads in a ver

[7:37] y

[7:37] real sense.

[7:39] and by the 1880s, what, what

[7:43] that railroad had done was to

[7:45] make this area the single

[7:49] largest producer of sea island

[7:54]

[7:54] cotton in the entire state of

[7:56] florida.

[7:56] and two-thirds of the state's

[8:02] agricultural products were

[8:04] shipped out of gainesville.

[8:09] and so what you kind of have t

[8:16] o

[8:16] understand is that after the w

[8:20] ar

[8:20] and by the 1880s, people were

[8:22] moving into the area and movin

[8:24] g

[8:24] into gainesville for economic

[8:28] reasons.

[8:28] it was really boom time here.

[8:31] there hadn't been a lot of

[8:34] damage during the war, and it

[8:37] was all about cotton and

[8:40] oranges, and then in the

[8:42] 1890s, there were series of

[8:46] big freezes that simply wiped

[8:50] out agriculture, but lucky for

[8:53]

[8:53] us, by the time that occurred,

[8:59]

[8:59] florida had begun to be a

[9:02] tourist attraction.

[9:04] and again, the railroads broug

[9:09] ht

[9:09] the tourists down here.

[9:12] and what happened around 1900

[9:17] was the first of the florida

[9:21] great real estate booms, and

[9:24] gainesville really benefited

[9:28] from that, and the specific

[9:34] neighborhood I want to talk

[9:35] about today is actually the duc

[9:39] k

[9:39] pond.

[9:39] if you think about the growth o

[9:44] f

[9:44] gainesville and those 223

[9:49] people, most of them lived on

[9:50] warlz or plantation houses.

[9:52] if you look at that little hou

[9:54] se

[9:54] over on the math eosin propert

[9:57] y,

[9:57] that was the original farm

[9:59] house, and it was up on a hill,

[10:02]

[10:02] and there was nothing around I

[10:04] t

[10:04] until the math matheson's b

[10:11] uilt

[10:11] the better house where the muse

[10:12]

[10:12] ement is and that did not happe

[10:13] n

[10:13] until the 1890s.

[10:16] so beginning in the early

[10:19] 1900s, there was a real estate

[10:23]

[10:23] boom, and one of the developer

[10:25] s

[10:25] is a name that you've heard a

[10:27] lot from me, mr. William ruben

[10:33]

[10:33] thomas of the thomas center.

[10:36] and you'll recall that someone

[10:39]

[10:39] else started his house, which

[10:41] was called sun kissed villa, a

[10:45] nd

[10:45] he took it over and finished I

[10:47] t

[10:47] in 1910 and while that was goi

[10:51] ng

[10:51] on, he started developing an

[10:55] adjacent area to his house,

[10:58] which is now the thomas center,

[11:01]

[11:01] and it was called sun sunkist

[11:07]

[11:07] like the sun kissed villa, and

[11:09] a

[11:09] number of the houses in the duc

[11:11] k

[11:11] pond that are built in the

[11:14] 1890s are part of the original

[11:19]

[11:19] sun kissed development which w

[11:24] as

[11:24] around thomas' house, but the

[11:26] real story of the duck pond is

[11:29]

[11:29] one of his neighbors.

[11:32] in 1910a man named james

[11:36] videl -- vidal moved into a

[11:40] house pretty close to where

[11:43] thomas lived about a block awa

[11:46] y

[11:46] from the thomas estate.

[11:50] and in 1922, he talked william

[11:56]

[11:56] ruben thomas into selling him a

[12:00]

[12:00] lot of the acreage around the

[12:03] thomas center, and it was to

[12:07] become a development that came

[12:09]

[12:09] to be called the highlands

[12:14] neighborhood.

[12:14] and in 1926, vidal who was

[12:20] actually a kind of a sybil

[12:22] engineer and a city planner

[12:27] dammed a part of sweetwater

[12:29] creek and created what was

[12:34] maybe, there's a contending,

[12:38] another contender here, but in

[12:42]

[12:42] 1926 what vidal did was to

[12:46] create the first public park I

[12:50] n

[12:50] gainesville.

[12:50] inside the city of gainesville.

[12:52]

[12:52] and that was the duck pond.

[12:56] and if you walk around the duc

[12:59] k

[12:59] pond area, you'll see that man

[13:04] y

[13:04] of the houses are from the

[13:07] 1920s in the northeast

[13:10] historic area.

[13:11] some of them date from the fir

[13:14] st

[13:14] wave, the sun kissed

[13:16] development, but a lot of the

[13:19] houses in the duck pond were

[13:20] built in the 1920s as part of

[13:23] the highland neighborhood.

[13:27] and it really was in many ways

[13:32]

[13:32] the first downtown white

[13:36] neighborhood in gainesville

[13:39] starting in the -- around 1900

[13:42]

[13:42] and then with a big growth spu

[13:46] rt

[13:46] in the 1920s.

[13:48] and that was when the duck pon

[13:50] d

[13:50] appeared, and in 1980, the

[13:56] entire northeast historic

[14:00] district was put on the nationa

[14:03] l

[14:03] register of historic places, a

[14:07] nd

[14:07] if you walk around the duck

[14:09] pond, you see a huge range of

[14:12] architectural styles in these

[14:15] houses that were essentially

[14:17] built from 1900 through about

[14:23] 1927 or so.

[14:25] >> mayor: thank you so much.

[14:26] appreciate it.

[14:28] all right.

[14:28] madam clerk.

[14:30] >> mr. Mayor, we have early

[14:32] public comment, but we don't

[14:33] have anyone signed up there.

[14:35] we currently have six speakers

[14:36]

[14:36] for general public comment.

[14:39] I'm going to say the person

[14:40] speaking and then a couple of

[14:42] after so people know who's

[14:43] coming up next.

[14:45] margaret delisle followed by

[14:46] billy rohan and then ryan

[14:49] bornet.

[14:49] >> mayor: okay, so before anyon

[14:51] e

[14:51] starts let me just give a quick

[14:53]

[14:53] primer because I know there are

[14:54]

[14:54] some folks here who are going t

[14:56] o

[14:56] want to speak who have not bee

[14:57] n

[14:57] regulars here so just as a

[14:58] reminder, when we call you up t

[15:03] o

[15:03] lectern, first of all, let me

[15:06] say we've had am some folks

[15:08] soo-- had some folks sign up f

[15:10] or

[15:10] general public comment and

[15:11] that's great.

[15:11] if you're here to speak to an

[15:12] item that's on the agenda later

[15:14]

[15:14] on, we'll call you for that ite

[15:16] m

[15:16] as well just please make sure

[15:17] you fill a form out so the

[15:18] clerk's office can do that

[15:20] effectively.

[15:20] when you come up, there is thr

[15:23] ee

[15:23] little lights on the lectern a

[15:25] nd

[15:25] a light is green, you have the

[15:28] ,

[15:28] you'll start off with three ful

[15:29] l

[15:29] minutes to talk and I'm not

[15:30] going to court cut you off

[15:35] midsentence but if the light I

[15:36] s

[15:36] green, you've got plenty of

[15:37] time.

[15:37] light turns yellow you want to

[15:39]

[15:39] start winding down.

[15:40] when the light turn reds when

[15:41] you get to the end of a thought

[15:42]

[15:42] I'm going to ask you to please

[15:43]

[15:43] wrap up so that's just the

[15:44] general way of how we do it.

[15:47] so.

[15:47] >> so our first speaker is

[15:48] margaret delisle, also to let

[15:51] you know room 16 has been opene

[15:53] d

[15:53] because we are packed full in

[15:55] here so we may need to have som

[15:56] e

[15:56] time to get people from there.

[15:59]

[15:59] followed by billy rohan and the

[16:01] n

[16:01] prien ryan burnette are on

[16:04]

[16:04] deck.

[16:04] >> mayor: all right,

[16:06] ms. Delisle.

[16:08] hello, I'm margaret.

[16:10] I have cept many e-mails of

[16:13] various topics, but today I cam

[16:15] e

[16:15] to talk about the traffic

[16:17] lights.

[16:17] I didn't know the first session

[16:18]

[16:18] was going to be about traffic

[16:21] lights, so it's a fun

[16:22] coincidence but as I've driven

[16:25]

[16:25] around this town and I came her

[16:27] e

[16:27] from atlanta and so I've drive

[16:28] n

[16:28] through atlanta, I've noticed

[16:30] how much an impact improperly

[16:33] timed lights have on pretty muc

[16:34] h

[16:34] every aspect of our day to day

[16:37]

[16:37] lives.

[16:37] and how strange it is that we'

[16:40] re

[16:40] still relying on such as stati

[16:44] c

[16:44] way of viewing traffic, which I

[16:45] s

[16:45] inherently adaptable and ever

[16:47] shifting according to condition

[16:50] s

[16:50] that include both just how you

[16:53] r

[16:53] populous is doing mentally, the

[16:54]

[16:54] weather, the things that happe

[16:57] n

[16:57] on I-75, and so I really came

[17:00] down here just today to bring u

[17:03] p

[17:03] the topic of finding new ways t

[17:06] o

[17:06] direct traffic that have more t

[17:09] o

[17:09] do with how life actually works

[17:11]

[17:11] and how we want liev to be

[17:14] because I understand you know,

[17:16]

[17:16] the routines that we have

[17:17] throughout the day are what

[17:19] causes congestion in the morni

[17:21] ng

[17:21] and the evening, but when I was

[17:23]

[17:23] driving here, today even, I was

[17:26]

[17:26] stopped at a stoplight on main

[17:29]

[17:29] street, next to southwest 16

[17:32] ave., and there were no cars

[17:34] coming from the other direction

[17:35] s

[17:35] but we just sat there for like

[17:36]

[17:36] about a minute, maybe two, and

[17:40]

[17:40] that's just not the way that y

[17:43] ou

[17:43] most efficiently direct people.

[17:45]

[17:45] so you asked the question of

[17:47] what can you do to make people

[17:49]

[17:49] stop for stoplights, for publi

[17:51] c

[17:51] safety, and one of those thing

[17:53] s

[17:53] is that you need to build up

[17:55] that trust between the

[17:57] individual driving and the

[17:59] infrastructure itself because a

[18:00] s

[18:00] it currently is, I've lost tru

[18:03] st

[18:03] in it.

[18:04] I'm willing to respect the

[18:05] government because I enjoy thi

[18:07] s

[18:07] town.

[18:07] I enjoy the commissioners.

[18:09] I love that they have put up

[18:11] with, you know, some of my

[18:12] shenanigans, but just because I

[18:16]

[18:16] have that trust does not mean

[18:17] that everyone else in the

[18:19] community is going to maintain

[18:20]

[18:20] that trust.

[18:21] whether we're constantly being

[18:23]

[18:23] left to sit on university and

[18:28] 441 and just not be able to mov

[18:31] e

[18:31] when there is nobody on the

[18:32] way.

[18:32] so if you really, really truly

[18:34]

[18:34] do want to address the issue

[18:36] with the red lights, then we

[18:38] need to find a better solution

[18:40]

[18:40] instead of tying every single

[18:42] aspectf our infrastructure to

[18:44] three badly timed lights light

[18:46] s

[18:46] on 441.

[18:47] thank you.

[18:48] >> mayor: thank you.

[18:49] >> billy rohan followed by rya

[18:51] n

[18:51] bornet and annie rochelle.

[18:55] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Rohan.

[18:56] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[18:58] [off mic]

[19:01] greetings and good afternoon,

[19:04] mayor ward, commissioners

[19:05] eastman, commissioner ingle,

[19:09] commissioner desmon walker and

[19:11]

[19:11] commissioner books and

[19:12] commissioner willits.

[19:14] thank you for your time.

[19:16] my name is billy rohan.

[19:17] for years I have stood at this

[19:19]

[19:19] podium in the city hall to

[19:21] ensure the voices of district 3

[19:24]

[19:24] are heard.

[19:25] now I am asking for the

[19:27] opportunity to bring that same

[19:28]

[19:28] dedication to the dais.

[19:30] our neighbors in southwest

[19:32] gainesville deserve a

[19:33] representative who prioritizes

[19:35]

[19:35] fiscal accountability and commo

[19:37] n

[19:37] sense solutions.

[19:39] citizens' concerns about

[19:40] addressing utility

[19:42] accountability, addressing the

[19:46]

[19:46] $1.7 billion gru debt, and

[19:48] stabilizing rates for residents

[19:49]

[19:49] of gainesville.

[19:51] a smart infrastructure, by

[19:53] fixing traffic, the bottlenecks

[19:55]

[19:55] along the archer road corridor,

[19:57]

[19:57] and ensuring pedestrian safety

[20:00]

[20:00] near haile plantation and tower

[20:03]

[20:03] road, and finally, through

[20:04] community investment, protecting

[20:07] the public spaces and parks

[20:11] deaght life here in gainesville

[20:12] ,

[20:12] florida, that we all enjoy.

[20:14] and gainesville in general.

[20:17] thank you for your time.

[20:18] I look forward to serving the

[20:20] community of gainesville.

[20:23] thanks for giving me so much

[20:25] this city has in the last 45

[20:27] years growing up here from goin

[20:29] g

[20:29] to school at duval elementary

[20:31] school to gainesville high

[20:33] school to new pathways and

[20:35] horizons, everything that the

[20:37] city has offered me, I really

[20:39] appreciate it.

[20:40] I hope y'all have a great rest

[20:41]

[20:41] of your day, and a wonderful a

[20:43] nd

[20:43] happy easter.

[20:44] thank you for your time agod

[20:45] bless you.

[20:50] >> mayor: thank you.

[20:50] >> we have ryan bornet followed

[20:51]

[20:51] by -- and jim konish.

[20:52] to.

[20:52] >> mayor: very good.

[20:53] welcome.

[20:53] >> hi.

[20:55] mr. Mayor and commissione

[20:56] appreciate your time and

[20:59] attention.

[20:59] -- on behalf of multiple

[21:02] stakeholders when it comes to

[21:03] the business community, and I

[21:04] wanted to readdress something,

[21:06] a

[21:06] change that took place in

[21:09] december and in january with

[21:11] one-way pairs.

[21:13] I speak on behalf of bagels

[21:15] company gator beverage which I

[21:17] s

[21:17] my business, it's been our

[21:18] family business in town for 35

[21:20]

[21:20] years, the sweetwater coffee

[21:22] company, jungle boys and then

[21:25] smokeville.

[21:25] since this change has taken

[21:29] place, we've seen a significant

[21:32]

[21:32] impact financially to all of o

[21:34] ur

[21:34] businesses in a very negative

[21:36] way, and it, it certainly has

[21:39] been a struggle to keep up

[21:41] with.

[21:41] access for businesses is very

[21:44] important.

[21:44] when I grew up I grew up in a

[21:46] divorced household.

[21:47] my mother and father both ran

[21:48] their own businesses, and they

[21:51]

[21:51] instilled a philosophy in me

[21:53] that I carry and credit a lot o

[21:55] f

[21:55] our success in the business

[21:58] scope, which is competition

[22:00] makes you better.

[22:02] if it's bad, you turn it into

[22:04] a

[22:04] good.

[22:04] and the reason I'm standing up

[22:06]

[22:06] here today is I'm struggling

[22:08] deeply along with everyone in

[22:11] the business community I

[22:12] mentioned, with finding the

[22:14] positive with the changes that

[22:15]

[22:15] have taken place.

[22:17] what we've experienced is worse

[22:19]

[22:19] traffic.

[22:19] we've experienced the financial

[22:21]

[22:21] impact, our roadways are now

[22:24] worse than they were previousl

[22:25] y

[22:25] as far as the condition of the

[22:28]

[22:28] roads.

[22:28] the neighborhood is suffering.

[22:30]

[22:30] back in the december 4th

[22:31] meeting that the community spo

[22:34] ke

[22:34] in in a prominent business

[22:35] leader spoke, everyone spoke I

[22:38] n

[22:38] opposition of the changes, and

[22:40]

[22:40] becauseof this arpa money, it

[22:42] really came off after the fact

[22:45]

[22:45] that this was a railroad

[22:46] project.

[22:46] this was just shoved down our

[22:50] throats, and I would love to

[22:53] find the optimistic side of

[22:54] these changes.

[22:54] I watch public safety as a maj

[22:57] or

[22:57] issue.

[22:57] I had a police officer running

[22:59]

[22:59] down the one way -- wrong way

[23:00] two days ago because there was

[23:02] a

[23:02] criminal on the loose.

[23:04] and what does that tell me?

[23:05] that tells me that access to

[23:06] emergency response is worse.

[23:08] I'm a bicyclist.

[23:10] I am the definition of vision

[23:13] zero, I ride my bike four days

[23:15] a

[23:16] week 30 minutes both ways to

[23:17] work.

[23:17] and not one time when we had t

[23:21] he

[23:21] bike boulevard before the

[23:22] changes did I ever think that I

[23:23]

[23:23] needed more bike lanes.

[23:24] or mike changes to the

[23:27] infrastructure.

[23:27] this is a transient community.

[23:29]

[23:29] we train everyone on the one

[23:30] ways, wait until august.

[23:32] we have to train everyone all

[23:33] over again.

[23:34] it's -- everyone goes the wrong

[23:36]

[23:36] way on the one ways.

[23:37] it's dangerouses, and no one's

[23:40] ,

[23:40] we're not slowing down drivers

[23:41] .

[23:41] we're not changing drivers.

[23:42] and frankly I think it's very

[23:44] biased towards all the people

[23:46] that deserve the right to

[23:47] drive.

[23:47] I talk to neighborhood people

[23:50] all the time and now they're

[23:51] more inconvenienced than ever.

[23:52]

[23:52] they can't ride a bike.

[23:54] they have to drive.

[23:55] and now they're circling back

[23:58] five different ways to

[23:59] accomplish something.

[23:59] I know I've spoken withyou

[24:00] individually.

[24:00] and we've talked about --

[24:04] obviously that's something tha

[24:05] t

[24:05] I would like to continue to mov

[24:07] e

[24:07] towards with the commission, but

[24:09]

[24:09] I just want to be on the recor

[24:11] d

[24:11] and open that the two-way was a

[24:17]

[24:17] successful model and this chang

[24:18] e

[24:18] has been very, very harmful to

[24:19]

[24:19] the businesses in the community

[24:22] ,

[24:22] and you know at the commission

[24:23]

[24:23] meeting that you voted against

[24:25]

[24:25] everyone in the community, tha

[24:26] t

[24:26] was also said and now the

[24:29] businesses are here trying to

[24:30] also acknowledge that.

[24:31] thank you.

[24:32] >> mayor: thank you.

[24:34] so I will ask that we, we

[24:36] generally try not to clap or

[24:38] cheer or jeer because the side

[24:41]

[24:41] you're on right now might not b

[24:42] e

[24:42] the side that you're on next

[24:43] time it happens so please try t

[24:44] o

[24:44] keep that from doing that.

[24:48] >> annie rochelle followed by

[24:49] jim konish and justin smith.

[24:52] >> mayor: welcome.

[24:53] >> thank you all.

[24:56] unfortunately but fortunately

[24:57] I'll sorry I have to be here

[24:58] with this but fortunately I'm

[25:01] glad I can bring it to you guy

[25:03] s'

[25:03] attention.

[25:03] on 3/9 I was concerned with my

[25:12]

[25:12] electric bill being so high, s

[25:14] o

[25:14] I with gan to research over

[25:15] maybe -- began to research ove

[25:17]

[25:17] maybe what could cause it to go

[25:19]

[25:19] to that level and I realized

[25:19] that my, the container garbage

[25:25]

[25:25] container fee on there was not

[25:27]

[25:27] what I thought it should be.

[25:30] that I was supposed to be payin

[25:32] g

[25:32] for.

[25:32] so I rirched my bill for march

[25:37]

[25:37] it was consistent of this year.

[25:40]

[25:40] for '25 I had four different

[25:43] fees for that.

[25:45] 20.56, 31.80, 33.50, 41.52.

[25:50] so I called.

[25:53] I said that can't be.

[25:55] and I've had that problem

[25:57] before, so I called, and I

[25:59] talked with the young lady.

[26:01] she said yes, ms. Rochelle.

[26:03] inconsistency.

[26:03] let me get back, let me get bac

[26:07] k

[26:07] with you so she put me on hold

[26:12]

[26:12] and said so she said well, som

[26:13] e

[26:13] of the prices changed.

[26:15] something, I could have maybe

[26:19] overlooked.

[26:19] so we go on that was on a

[26:21] monday.

[26:21] so I said well, I don't need a

[26:24]

[26:24] bigger container.

[26:25] I want what I initially started

[26:27]

[26:27] with.

[26:27] I moved there 2020.

[26:32] and so therefore it wasn't the

[26:36]

[26:36] price that for that retainer.

[26:39] and -- container.

[26:40] and so therefore, I said no,

[26:42] this is not right.

[26:43] this is just not good.

[26:44] and so she said okay well I'll

[26:47]

[26:47] forward it forward.

[26:49] that was that monday.

[26:51] tuesday, wednesday, they came

[26:52] and changed out the garbage can

[26:55]

[26:55] to what I really wanted.

[26:58] and so thursday go by, friday

[27:01] come, I never heard anything

[27:03] back.

[27:03] I pick up the phone, I called

[27:05] them.

[27:05] and I asked them.

[27:08] I said hey, what was the deal o

[27:10] n

[27:10] this?

[27:10] what what happened?

[27:12] they said well ms. Rochelle, I

[27:15] 'm

[27:15] sorry, there is nothing we can

[27:16]

[27:16] do because you called before.

[27:17] I said I did.

[27:19] and they say, I said yes, about

[27:21]

[27:21] my, about the rates not being

[27:23] the same before, consistent

[27:24] before.

[27:24] she said no, that was gru

[27:28] fault.

[27:28] and so therefore they say I sa

[27:31] id

[27:31] well that was warranted then.

[27:34] and so, and so she said no, you

[27:38]

[27:38] call before, and I said yeah, I

[27:42]

[27:42] said I did.

[27:43] I called back about debris bei

[27:45] ng

[27:45] put in my yard, by the city

[27:47] workers.

[27:47] and so she said yes, that is

[27:49] what I'm talking about.

[27:52] I said, she said because of that

[27:55]

[27:55] and you did not bring that to

[27:56] our attention then, we can't

[27:58] help you now basically.

[28:01] and I said but that was then a

[28:04] nd

[28:04] that was about something else

[28:05] and this is now.

[28:07] when I did that, that was in '

[28:10] 23

[28:10] and '24, october --

[28:14] >> mayor: I'm going to ask you

[28:16]

[28:16] to wrap up if you will.

[28:17] -- manager's office --

[28:18] >> okay.

[28:19] well nevertheless, I was told

[28:21] that there was nothing -- I

[28:22] don't feel that I should or

[28:23] anybody else should be

[28:25] retaliated against for making a

[28:26]

[28:26] complaint.

[28:26] I pay my taxes.

[28:28] I pay my utility fees.

[28:30] I pay my state taxes.

[28:32] I do what I'm supposed to, and

[28:34] I

[28:34] have a right I did not know that

[28:36]

[28:36] the city had a limit on the

[28:40] complaints or a timeline.

[28:42] >> mayor: so there is clearly a

[28:43]

[28:43] misunderstanding.

[28:43] we'll have someone from the

[28:45] manager's office talk with you

[28:46] ,

[28:46] okay?

[28:46] all right.

[28:47] thank you.

[28:48] >> thank you.

[28:49] thank you all.

[28:50] no that was for them to see.

[28:51] [laughter]

[28:51] >> we have jim konish followed

[28:55]

[28:55] by justin smith and kali

[28:58] blount.

[28:58] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Konish.

[29:00]

[29:00] >> mr. Mayor, jim konish, good

[29:01]

[29:01] afternoon.

[29:01] like the overhead, please.

[29:04] in 1997, alachua county rolled

[29:09]

[29:09] out a, what was called a

[29:10] privilege fee.

[29:12] and everyone that was anyone I

[29:16] n

[29:16] intervened, and the honorable

[29:20] frederick smith an iconic judge

[29:22]

[29:22] concluded that this was an

[29:29] unconstitutional tax and that'

[29:30] s

[29:30] because when you let a utility

[29:31]

[29:31] into your right-of-way for fre

[29:33] e

[29:33] for 100 years, and they get

[29:36] comfortable in there, you can't

[29:38]

[29:38] like have second thoughts about

[29:41]

[29:41] it and sap a franchise fee

[29:43] because a franchise fee has to

[29:45]

[29:45] be negotiated in a contract.

[29:48] so the city of gainesville and

[29:51]

[29:51] alachua county commission let

[29:53] gru enter their rights-of-way

[29:55] without any kind of contract a

[29:58] nd

[29:58] they're going to stay there

[30:00] forever without any kind of

[30:01] contract and your franchise fee

[30:02]

[30:02] that you're discussing is

[30:03] illegal, sir.

[30:05] it's a tax, and mr.-- knows

[30:09] this.

[30:09] in terms of you meeting your

[30:11] budget, the first thing you

[30:12] should do is stop paying for t

[30:13] he

[30:13] county street lights.

[30:15] they're not entitled to any

[30:17] compensation for gru's use of

[30:21] their right-of-way and in fact

[30:22]

[30:22] they have to get on their knees

[30:23]

[30:23] and beg to save a few live oak

[30:25]

[30:25] trees because they cannot even

[30:27]

[30:27] regulate the use of right-of-wa

[30:28] y

[30:28] and I want to remind you you'v

[30:30] e

[30:30] passed an ordinance purporting

[30:32]

[30:32] to require gru permits in your

[30:34]

[30:34] right-of-ways, and they have

[30:35] ignored it because it's

[30:36] illegal.

[30:36] not that they can't impose

[30:41] franchise fees.

[30:41] you can't impose conditions on

[30:44]

[30:44] their occupancy of

[30:45] rights-of-way, sir, and I'm

[30:47] abhaized like you're eving --

[30:49] amazed you're even talking abo

[30:50] ut

[30:50] this.

[30:50] it's settled law, that's just

[30:52] the way it is.

[30:53] but the ult of gru to -- abili

[30:56] ty

[30:56] of gru to pay you any money is

[30:58]

[30:58] limited by the legacy costs of

[31:02]

[31:02] this commission's mismanagement

[31:04]

[31:04] of gru.

[31:06] gru loses $46 million a year o

[31:09] n

[31:09] european style solar feeder

[31:12] tariff enjoyed by a former may

[31:14] or

[31:14] and her cronies.

[31:15] four to $6 million a year we're

[31:17]

[31:17] in year 17 of a 20-year

[31:19] agreement, sir: gru pays

[31:26] $1.2 million to -- pollution a

[31:28] t

[31:28] depot park, sir, after spending

[31:30]

[31:30] tens of millions.

[31:32] gru provides the county with

[31:33] free fire hydrants.

[31:35] costs them about a million a

[31:36] year.

[31:36] no justification for thithere

[31:40] is no recognition of it

[31:40] either.

[31:40] group -- $2 million a year

[31:43] because the services they

[31:45] provide to the city, the county,

[31:46]

[31:46] and school board do not cover

[31:47] the costs so you're freeloading

[31:50]

[31:50] on that level.

[31:53] private developer got gru to

[31:55] install a package plant in cro

[31:58] ss

[31:58] creek 16 miles from gru -- lin

[32:02] es

[32:02] it's failed gru is trucking the

[32:03]

[32:03] sewage out of there.

[32:05] weekly at a loss of a third of

[32:07] a

[32:08] million dollars and I could go

[32:09]

[32:09] but I'm out of time.

[32:10] thank you, sir.

[32:11] >> mayor: thank you,

[32:12] mr. Konish.

[32:12] I would remind everyone that t

[32:14] he

[32:14] city commission doesn't run

[32:15] gru.

[32:15] >> mr. Mayor, we're onto justin

[32:18]

[32:18] smith, followed by kali blount

[32:21]

[32:21] and andrew miles.

[32:22] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Smith.

[32:28] >> good afternoon, mr. Chair.

[32:30] I'm here today on behalf of th

[32:32] e

[32:32] community of individuals who

[32:33] live here downtown.

[32:35] they have many struggles.

[32:37] many suffer varying degrees of

[32:39]

[32:39] mental health challenges, many

[32:41]

[32:41] are victims of severe trauma a

[32:43] nd

[32:43] abuse, sometimes as children,

[32:46] sometimes in service of our

[32:48] country.

[32:48] sometimes both.

[32:51] often these friends of mine are

[32:52]

[32:52] struggling to overcome

[32:53] addictions.

[32:53] many of them have spent

[32:56] significant time in prison.

[32:59] for a host of reasons, most hav

[33:01] e

[33:01] no support from family or

[33:04] friends, and now they are

[33:06] trapped and living a life on th

[33:08] e

[33:08] street.

[33:08] they are commonly lonely,

[33:11] afraid, anxious, angry,

[33:15] depressed, cold.

[33:17] and hungry.

[33:20] but there is one message that

[33:22] nearly all of these folks are

[33:24] given day in and day out; one

[33:27] lie that these image bearers o

[33:28] f

[33:28] god are constantly told.

[33:32] they are told that they are

[33:33] worthless.

[33:33] that tay don't matter.

[33:37] that it is the same lie that

[33:39] many of them have been told for

[33:40]

[33:40] so long that they've come to

[33:44] believe it.

[33:44] mr. Chair, I don't think you

[33:46] believe this lie anymore than I

[33:47]

[33:47] do.

[33:47] and I would like to thank you

[33:50] and our city for the many

[33:52] efforts made to support this

[33:53] vulnerable portion of our

[33:55] population.

[33:55] however.

[33:55] as you are aware, our community

[34:00]

[34:00] has recently suffered an

[34:01] incredible loss in services due

[34:04]

[34:04] to the closure of st. Francis

[34:06] house.

[34:06] it is impossible to overstate

[34:09] the importance of providing

[34:12] daily hot meals and a shower t

[34:15] o

[34:15] people in need.

[34:18] therefore, I encourage you to

[34:21] look for and doggedly pursue

[34:23] future partnerships to help fil

[34:25] l

[34:25] this gap as opportunities

[34:29] arise.

[34:29] please continue the work of

[34:31] serving these members of our

[34:33] community.

[34:33] my friends on the street.

[34:36] thank you for your time.

[34:38] >> mayor: thank you.

[34:40] >> mr. Mayor, we have kali

[34:43] blount and then mr. Andrew

[34:44] miles.

[34:44] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Blount.

[34:49]

[34:49] >> thank you.

[34:50] I attended an event about net

[34:53] zero the other day at the bloun

[34:56] t

[34:56] center, and as is too ovthe cas

[35:00] e

[35:00] in -- often the case in the cit

[35:03] y

[35:03] outreach events we the public

[35:04] got to sit and hear

[35:05] presentations from staffs of

[35:07] several departments and the we

[35:10]

[35:10] the public did not get to give

[35:12]

[35:12] our questions and statements to

[35:14]

[35:14] the whole room to all staff and

[35:17]

[35:17] public present.

[35:17] that is, we were told well vis

[35:20] it

[35:20] each table and but that's not

[35:22] speaking to the room and to

[35:24] everybody.

[35:24] so about these, about net zero.

[35:28]

[35:28] I'm going to rattle off as lis

[35:30] t

[35:30] as quick as I can in this time

[35:31]

[35:31] frame.

[35:31] all offender ignition interlock

[35:35]

[35:35] laws, has to do with d.u.I.,

[35:38] .05% blood alcohol content and

[35:40]

[35:40] strict penalty laws as far as

[35:41] revocation for repeat

[35:42] offenders.

[35:42] primary front seat belt laws.

[35:45] primary rear seat belt laws.

[35:50] speed cameras.

[35:50] reduced speed limits where

[35:52] appropriate.

[35:52] all driver handheld devices

[35:55] banned.

[35:55] graduated driver licensing for

[36:00]

[36:00] teens including younger permit

[36:01]

[36:01] age.

[36:01] not younger license but a longer

[36:05]

[36:05] supervised learning period.

[36:06] mandatory supervised hours fra

[36:10] t

[36:10] learning.

[36:10] nighttime driving restrictions,

[36:12]

[36:12] passenger restrictions, this I

[36:13] s

[36:13] again with young people.

[36:14] intermediate license age.

[36:17] other safety laws.

[36:19] rear facing carseat law for

[36:21] small children.

[36:21] booster seat law.

[36:24] motorcycle helmet laws.

[36:25] that one stands out to me havin

[36:27] g

[36:27] seen many scrambled

[36:28] motorcyclistsbrains in the e.r

[36:31] .

[36:31] all driver alcohol open

[36:33] container law.

[36:34] slow down move over laws.

[36:36] this list of laws is done in

[36:40] those states that have the

[36:41] lowest traffic accident deaths.

[36:45]

[36:45] so I favor your net zero effor

[36:49] ts

[36:49] here but your problem is in

[36:51] tallahassee.

[36:51] florida has three of these 17

[36:55] laws.

[36:55] and if they care about the

[36:58] public, in tallahassee, they

[37:00] ought to be passing these laws.

[37:04]

[37:04] instead of listening to private

[37:07]

[37:07] interests that want to limit

[37:10] these laws.

[37:10] for instance, motorcycle helme

[37:13] ts

[37:13] used to be the law.

[37:15] and some people put on a

[37:17] powerful lobbying effort to get

[37:19]

[37:19] rid of that and in fact the lea

[37:22] d

[37:22] lobbyist died of head injuries

[37:23]

[37:23] in a motorcycle crash.

[37:27] so these laws are needed to

[37:28] really reach your goal.

[37:31] >> mayor: I don't think anybody

[37:32]

[37:32] here disagrees with you,

[37:32] mr. Blount.

[37:34] >> andrew miles.

[37:36] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Miles.

[37:37] >> our last speaker.

[37:42] >> good afternoon, y'all.

[37:45] I'm here at this particular

[37:46] point to talk to y'all about

[37:48] property boundaries on the

[37:50] northeast side of town.

[37:52] the properties on the west,

[37:54] east, south and north side of

[37:57] all the properties in east

[37:59] gainesville, it's all by about

[38:02]

[38:02] five feet.

[38:06] and on all the sides now, it's

[38:09]

[38:09] started to affect the residents

[38:12]

[38:12] because we got lot of new homes

[38:13]

[38:13] that are being built on the eas

[38:15] t

[38:15] side now.

[38:17] all before when people rur

[38:18] building their most of it was

[38:21] residents that was living there

[38:23]

[38:23] before, and so they didn't arg

[38:24] ue

[38:24] with each other and they kind o

[38:26] f

[38:26] let people kept their fences up

[38:28]

[38:28] and stuff like that.

[38:29] but now there's a lot of new

[38:31] properties that have been built

[38:32]

[38:32] by homeowners and they're

[38:36] measuring the property, and

[38:38] they're finding that it's five

[38:39]

[38:39] feet off on all sides all the

[38:41] way around in fact my property

[38:43]

[38:43] my front yard goes five feet

[38:46] into a roadway so half of the

[38:49] roadway is part of my property.

[38:51]

[38:51] and I found out that in my

[38:53] backyard where I had got a

[38:55] permit to build a garage stora

[38:59] ge

[38:59] unit back there, that four fee

[39:03] tf

[39:03] that property does not belong t

[39:03] o

[39:03] me.

[39:03] and so it's some problems that

[39:07]

[39:07] are occurring right now and the

[39:09] n

[39:09] find out that property on the

[39:11] other side of me is right up to

[39:13]

[39:13] the sliding door glass of a

[39:16] homeowner and their porch and

[39:18] all is actually on my property.

[39:22]

[39:22] so that really needs to be

[39:23] looked at and see how we can

[39:26] work some of this out because

[39:26] it's going to be lot more

[39:28] problems very soon about this

[39:31] because in the pas

[39:33] built the home in '82 after

[39:36] realizing -- say something abo

[39:37] ut

[39:37] it, I came a couple years ago

[39:40] about it and say something to

[39:41] the commission.

[39:41] I talked to the property

[39:42] appraiser office a couple times

[39:43]

[39:43] and reported it and ask them

[39:46] could they look at it.

[39:48] they came out and did

[39:49] measurements and now recently

[39:50] they are doing lot of

[39:51] measurements but it really nee

[39:53] ds

[39:53] to be looked into because it's

[39:54]

[39:54] going to be a lot of fights and

[39:56]

[39:56] pushes about who owns what

[39:59] property and I don't know if

[40:01] you've been taking care of tha

[40:02] t

[40:02] property for 40, 50 years if

[40:03] that going to give you the right

[40:04]

[40:04] to still keep that property or

[40:06]

[40:06] not, but I know this is about t

[40:09] o

[40:09] come up real soon because like

[40:12] I

[40:12] said four feet of my backyard

[40:13] has been pointed out to me tha

[40:15] t

[40:15] it don't belong to me.

[40:17] and according to when they com

[40:18] e

[40:18] out and shoot the property line

[40:20]

[40:20] now, it's pretty much actual

[40:23] what they're saying.

[40:24] but when they shot it before,

[40:26] when we got the permit, to bui

[40:28] ld

[40:28] a shed there they said

[40:30] everything was aligned.

[40:31] so it's going talqestamab a lot

[40:32]

[40:32] of confusion.

[40:33] I hope that y'all try to get

[40:35] this addressed real soon instead

[40:36]

[40:36] of later because a lot of new

[40:38] homes been built out on the eas

[40:40] t

[40:40] side right now at this present

[40:41]

[40:41] time.

[40:41] new that was our last speaker,

[40:50]

[40:50] mr. Mayor.

[40:52] >> mayor: very good.

[40:52] >> we are onto our discussion

[40:53] items for the afternoon.

[40:54] 2026-92.

[40:54] heartwood soundstage funding

[40:57] with the recommendation the cit

[40:58] y

[40:58] commission approve allocating

[41:01] $55,000 from excess fund balance

[41:03]

[41:03] in the general fund for

[41:04] heartwood sound' stage funding

[41:05]

[41:05] request and provide direction o

[41:07] npreferred option for

[41:09] disbursement.

[41:09] >> mayor: all right,

[41:10] mr. Manager, did you want to --

[41:10]

[41:10] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[41:13] the march 5th meeting you all

[41:14] asked for us to come back with

[41:16]

[41:16] options for y'all to consider

[41:18] about how to accommodate the

[41:23] heartwood soundstage's request

[41:27] .

[41:27] we are recommending that if the

[41:28]

[41:28] commission did decide to move

[41:30] forward with, with funding, it

[41:33]

[41:33] would come from excess fund

[41:35] balance.

[41:35] we provided three options for

[41:37] your consideration, a loan

[41:42] format, importantly we don't

[41:45] have terms to discuss and that

[41:49]

[41:49] may be something that y'all

[41:51] could discuss if that was a

[41:53] desired option.

[41:55] in advance the grant with

[41:56] required backup documentation

[41:59] for expended funds and city

[42:01] audit right to, audit right

[42:04] languageige there.

[42:05] that would be a similar to wha

[42:08] t

[42:08] the city commission did for the

[42:11]

[42:11] hippodrome, and then a

[42:13] reimbursable grant with required

[42:15]

[42:15] backup documentation right to

[42:16] audit requirements.

[42:19] I think importantly, there are

[42:24]

[42:24] the soundstage I think during

[42:27] the last presentation gave you

[42:28]

[42:28] some, some items by which I

[42:31] think they have some outstanding

[42:33]

[42:33] debt, some operational

[42:34] expenses,.

[42:34] I think for purposes of the

[42:40] commission's decision we would

[42:45]

[42:45] want to at least put it on the

[42:47]

[42:47] record that we would need to v

[42:50] et

[42:50] any potential expenditures wit

[42:54] h

[42:54] in conjunction with financial

[42:57] services and the attorney's

[42:57] office to make sure that any

[43:00] expenses were sort of public

[43:04] interest meaning if, if there

[43:07] was old debt as a private

[43:09] institution or a private

[43:10] company, those things would nee

[43:12] d

[43:12] to be vetted to make sure that

[43:13]

[43:13] we could actually expend publi

[43:15] c

[43:15] dollars on it versus ongoing

[43:17] operational expenses, which

[43:18] would be certainly I think a

[43:21] more allowable use than paying

[43:23]

[43:23] for old private debt if that

[43:25] makes sense.

[43:27] >> mayor: okay, thank you,

[43:28] mr. Manager.

[43:30] did anyone from heartwood want

[43:32]

[43:32] to make any further

[43:34] presentation?

[43:34] or did we want to go straight t

[43:37] o

[43:37] discussion?

[43:37] you don't have to.

[43:38] I mean, we were all here last

[43:39] time?

[43:39] okay.

[43:39] very good.

[43:42] all right.

[43:42] any thoughts from the

[43:43] commission?

[43:43] commissioner willits.

[43:52] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[43:53] I agree that if, that future

[43:57] facing needs under the current

[43:59]

[43:59] structure of the 501(c)3 that

[44:01] is heartwood now makes the most

[44:03]

[44:03] sense if that's what it is, it'

[44:05] s

[44:05] about what they need now to

[44:06] continue being, you know,

[44:09] successful.

[44:09] but I also understand that the

[44:13] ir

[44:13] business model is their rapidly

[44:15]

[44:15] switching from their for profi

[44:17] t

[44:17] to nonprofit structure and

[44:20] rebuilding kind of rebuilding

[44:22] the airplane as it's flying to

[44:24]

[44:24] go off into the future

[44:25] successful as possible as a, a

[44:27] n

[44:27] arts presenting institution in

[44:30]

[44:30] downtown.

[44:30] so some of this is a little

[44:33] confusing to me just about lik

[44:36] e

[44:36] because I know the sport is --

[44:37]

[44:37] it's kind of a general support

[44:39]

[44:39] kind of a bridge to get to the

[44:41]

[44:41] future, but at the same time I

[44:43]

[44:43] do see that we have some

[44:44] instances of, you know, some

[44:46] transparency about, you know,

[44:49] the expenses they have.

[44:51] I don't feel good about retiring

[44:53]

[44:53] debt.

[44:53] I feel much better about,

[44:55] know, basically paying people'

[44:59] s

[44:59] salaries who have been -- and

[45:01] I'm still a little not sure tha

[45:03] t

[45:03] I will support this because of

[45:05]

[45:05] this midyear, I don't know, it'

[45:08] s

[45:08] tough because it is a really

[45:10] good chunk of entertainment

[45:12] downtown, and it does make a l

[45:13] ot

[45:13] of sense I would prefer it be

[45:15] normal budget process with

[45:17] changes to our other program

[45:21] eligibility.

[45:21] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[45:22] >> mayor: thank you,

[45:23] commissioner willits.

[45:23] to be clear, this is a

[45:25] nonprofit, and as they provide

[45:31]

[45:31] a, an opportunity for a variety

[45:35]

[45:35] of arts for the community, som

[45:40] e

[45:40] of it open to the community,

[45:42] some of it ticketed talso is a

[45:45] n

[45:45] economic development issue, and

[45:47]

[45:47] that's the way I look at this

[45:49] 100%.

[45:49] there are businesses surrounding

[45:52]

[45:52] it that are there because

[45:54] heartwood is there.

[45:56] and that is an important

[46:00] consideration as we move forwa

[46:01] rd

[46:01] with this thought.

[46:02] but commissioner book.

[46:04] >> yeah, thank you, mr. Mayor.

[46:05]

[46:05] so when we kind of spoke about

[46:07]

[46:07] this at length on march 5th

[46:09] almost a month ago, we were

[46:11] talking -- what's the current

[46:12] financial picture?

[46:14] maybe -- this is a unique one.

[46:17]

[46:17] I don't think in the time that

[46:18]

[46:18] I've been on the commission tha

[46:19] t

[46:19] we've had a situation for a for

[46:22]

[46:22] profit converted to a nonprofit

[46:24]

[46:24] and then we provided them money

[46:25]

[46:25] to get up and running.

[46:27] if there is, I'm unfamiliar wit

[46:29] h

[46:29] it and so it's really difficult

[46:31]

[46:31] to consider but I thought what'

[46:33] s

[46:33] the current financial picture

[46:34] for heartwood?

[46:35] we've had about a month to get

[46:37]

[46:37] that.

[46:37] I wonder if any of the heartwo

[46:39] od

[46:39] staff would be willing to

[46:40] provide some updates.

[46:47] >> thank you, my name is chels

[46:48] y

[46:48] karns I'm the executive directo

[46:50] r

[46:50] of heartwood sound stage.

[46:52] so financial picture, I give t

[47:00] he

[47:00] full spiel last time but minor

[47:02]

[47:02] updates since then.

[47:03] just to repeat for the folks I

[47:05] n

[47:05] the audience who weren't here

[47:05] last time, some of those

[47:06] numbers, you know, we brought I

[47:10] n

[47:10] 23,0 concert goers last year,

[47:11] across 160 events, generated

[47:15] $864,000 in ticket revenue.

[47:16] there's a lot of studies that

[47:18] show that performing arts

[47:20] centers like ours, the amount o

[47:22] f

[47:22] economic activity that happens

[47:23]

[47:23] around those events that's

[47:25] people eating downtown, getting

[47:26]

[47:26] hotel rooms, even the bands who

[47:28]

[47:28] come in I shop their writers

[47:30] which are often $1,000 writers

[47:32]

[47:32] where I'm going to local, you

[47:33] know, I just put in a $200 orde

[47:35] r

[47:35] at paper bag last week for

[47:37] sandwiches for our, for a big

[47:39] band that was touring through.

[47:40] you

[47:40] you know, so the economic

[47:42] activity that happens around

[47:42] these events is like five times

[47:44]

[47:44] what we're generating internally

[47:46]

[47:46] not to mention we're providing

[47:48]

[47:48] jobs for 40-plus local

[47:51] individuals who work in the art

[47:53] s

[47:53] that's steam jobs like sound

[47:54] engineering and audio teching,

[47:58]

[47:58] light design, and also

[48:00] hospitality and event managemen

[48:02] t

[48:02] positions.

[48:02] we have close relationships

[48:04] with, I don't know how far to g

[48:05] o

[48:05] into the spiel but we have clo

[48:07] se

[48:07] relationships with uf, santa f

[48:10] e

[48:10] college, there is a university

[48:10]

[48:10] of florida class base a

[48:13] videoraphy class based on our

[48:15] campuses, teaching viddography

[48:20] .

[48:20] they can go on to do live event

[48:23]

[48:23] photography and videography, a

[48:25] nd

[48:25] you know financially one thing

[48:27] I

[48:28] said last time that I was here

[48:28]

[48:28] and that I'll reiterate is tha

[48:32] t

[48:32] this isn't a story of a busines

[48:33] s

[48:33] that failed or a project that

[48:35] you know failed to meet goals.

[48:36]

[48:36] it's actually the opposite.

[48:38] we've been incredibly

[48:39] successful.

[48:39] the people who founded this

[48:41] institution four years ago nev

[48:43] er

[48:43] imagined that it would grow into

[48:45]

[48:45] this thing that it is today.

[48:47] it was a small listening room

[48:48] for videography and for 100

[48:50] people to sit and quietly liste

[48:51] n

[48:51] to sconsert and now it's a

[48:52] festival and event space a

[48:53] performing arts center, a campu

[48:56] s for

[48:56] for learning, and a place that

[48:58]

[48:58] employs again over 40 local

[49:01] professionals.

[49:01] so you know, with that growth

[49:07] comes a need for you know,

[49:10] better supplies, better

[49:12] equipment, we're also hitting

[49:14] our 10-year anniversary so a l

[49:15] ot

[49:15] of things were purchased 10

[49:16] years ago and we need -- we put

[49:18]

[49:18] $4,000 into lights.

[49:19] we needed new lights on the top

[49:20]

[49:20] of our stage so this request

[49:22] comes from a place of we're

[49:23] really growing we're really

[49:25] expanding we're doing our part

[49:27]

[49:27] to bring people downtown to

[49:28] support arts and community,

[49:30] community resilience through t

[49:31] he

[49:31] arts, and downtown gainesville

[49:32] .

[49:32] making it a place for people's

[49:35]

[49:35] to feel safe and comfortable a

[49:36] nd

[49:36] bring their families.

[49:38] and supporting the local

[49:39] businesses around us with our

[49:42] activities.

[49:42] so this request is, you know, t

[49:44] o

[49:44] so we can continue doing that.

[49:47]

[49:47] those are kind of a lot but I

[49:49] don't know specifically if you

[49:50]

[49:50] want a certain number let me

[49:51] know.

[49:51] >> yeah, I think we had -- than

[49:53] k

[49:53] you very much for that

[49:54] synopsis.

[49:54] I think that probably my thoug

[49:56] ht

[49:56] about optimism for

[49:57] heartwoodicize an economic

[49:59] driver clearly it is that,

[50:00] mr. Mayor is that you have

[50:03] somebody who's come in and the

[50:04]

[50:04] executive director who has

[50:06] extensive knowledge about how t

[50:08] o

[50:08] manage things just like this.

[50:09] so that's why I feel good about

[50:11]

[50:11] heartwood going forward.

[50:13] what have we raised as a

[50:14] nonprofit?

[50:14] we've been a nonprofit for about

[50:16]

[50:16] seven months?

[50:18] >> yes, so let me pull those

[50:20] numbers for you.

[50:31] so yeah, we've raised over

[50:35] $5,416 in friends of heartwood

[50:37] s

[50:37] donations that's our membershi

[50:38] p

[50:38] program since becoming a

[50:40] nonprofit.

[50:40] we've raised over 5,000 -- we

[50:44] have over $5,000 incoming just

[50:47]

[50:47] in the past few weeks of peopl

[50:48] e

[50:48] supporting us, supporting our

[50:50] upcoming events, mostly like

[50:51] sponsorship corporate

[50:53] sponsorship type donations.

[50:55] from our online giving platform

[50:56]

[50:56] that we launched when we became

[50:58]

[50:58] a nonprofit in september we've

[51:00]

[51:00] raised $3,815 that's just from

[51:03] a

[51:03] donate now button on our web

[51:06] site.

[51:06] from event sponsors, this is a

[51:08]

[51:08] lot of this came from our at th

[51:10] e

[51:10] end of the year tom petty

[51:11] weekend last year, we had 25,785

[51:15]

[51:15] corporate sponsors that was the

[51:17]

[51:17] very tail end of last year for

[51:18]

[51:18] tom petty, one of our signature

[51:20]

[51:20] events.

[51:20] we received over $4,000 actual

[51:26] ly

[51:26] $6,000 total in ira disbursemen

[51:28] t

[51:28] since becoming a nonprofit so

[51:29] that's where you can use your

[51:31] retirement funds there's a way

[51:32]

[51:32] to kind of reduce your taxes o

[51:34] n

[51:34] your retirement plan by doing a

[51:36] n

[51:36] ira disbursement, so yeah,

[51:39] $6,000 from that.

[51:41] and then from a single donor, w

[51:43] e

[51:43] received $58,000 at the end of

[51:47]

[51:47] last year, and this kind of ti

[51:50] es

[51:50] into you know that donor was o

[51:51] ne

[51:51] of the founders of heartwood.

[51:53] that was kind of where we were

[51:54]

[51:54] at with this one donor pitching

[51:56]

[51:56] in heavenally to pick up the -

[51:57] -

[51:57] heavily to pick up on slack whe

[51:59] n

[51:59] we fell low on things.

[52:02] this is since september when w

[52:04] e

[52:04] became a nonprofit.

[52:05] that adds up in total to

[52:07] $94,016.

[52:07] so we're doing quite well with

[52:10]

[52:10] sponsorships.

[52:10] this is another reason that I

[52:12] say I don't expect to be back here n

[52:17] here next year asking for this

[52:17]

[52:17] kind of money, so -- really wel

[52:18] l

[52:18] it's just I've inherited some

[52:20] problems, you know, some debt.

[52:23]

[52:23] and to address the conversatio

[52:24] n

[52:24] about whether it should go

[52:26] towards debt or future expenses,

[52:27]

[52:27] either one would do the trick.

[52:30]

[52:30] it's, I'm we're amenable to, y

[52:33] ou

[52:33] know, aplooiing the money where

[52:36]

[52:36] it's, where it feels best

[52:38] applies by the commission.

[52:41] >> thank you.

[52:42] the figures that you just

[52:43] provided for what's being raise

[52:45] d

[52:45] is another source of optimism

[52:47] going forward.

[52:48] that for me, where I struggle I

[52:51] s

[52:51] just this morning we stopped

[52:53] providing money internally at

[52:55] the city for our own staff

[52:57] because we said we're in the

[52:58] middle of a budget process, and

[53:00]

[53:00] you know, where we can't provi

[53:02] de

[53:02] money internally, I really

[53:04] struggle even though the fundi

[53:06] ng

[53:06] sources are different, to

[53:07] provide those monies

[53:08] externally.

[53:08] we have 30 frozen positions at

[53:11]

[53:11] the city.

[53:11] these are 30 people that we're

[53:12]

[53:12] not hiring across various

[53:15] divisions because we ourselves

[53:18]

[53:18] are holding the line on some

[53:19] fiscal restraint, and then I,

[53:22] what worries me is we just got

[53:23]

[53:23] another email this week from

[53:25] another nonprofit that wants t

[53:27] o

[53:27] increase their funding.

[53:29] they may be within one of our

[53:30] existing processes, but they

[53:32] want between 50 -- instead of

[53:34] what they got is $65,000 they

[53:35] want double that at least

[53:36] they're hoping that we'll

[53:37] provide double.

[53:38] and it's another worthwhile

[53:40] nonprofit organization.

[53:41] so these are the things I

[53:43] struggle with which is funding

[53:45]

[53:45] internally that we have versus

[53:46]

[53:46] funding externally even though

[53:48]

[53:48] again I know the funding strea

[53:50] ms

[53:50] are different.

[53:51] so thank you, mr. Mayor.

[53:54] >> mayor: thank you,.

[53:57] commissioner chestnut.

[53:59] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[54:00] if you could just very

[54:01] succinctly tell us again what

[54:05] the 55, what the 55,000 would b

[54:08] e

[54:08] used for.

[54:10] is it your retired debt or

[54:12] exactly what?

[54:13] >> sure.

[54:13] so initially I thought the bes

[54:15] t

[54:15] thing to use it for -- well

[54:17] first I'll say where the numbe

[54:19] r

[54:19] 55,000 came from.

[54:19] so the past two years in a row

[54:22] ,

[54:22] bate end of the budget year,

[54:24] we've been $250,000 -- we've

[54:26] needed $250,000 from our

[54:28] founder'spitched in to keep the

[54:31]

[54:31] thing going so I have no reason

[54:32]

[54:32] to suspect that number is going

[54:34]

[54:34] to be any different this year.

[54:35]

[54:35] that number will be different

[54:38] from this year moving forward

[54:39] because we have reduced expensed

[54:42]

[54:42] by $100,000.

[54:44] I got the nature and culture

[54:46] enhancement grantwhich I

[54:47] believe we will get a grant

[54:48] every year through the county's

[54:50]

[54:50] ed tax so not local taxpayers

[54:51] paying that money.

[54:52] it's for events and services

[54:54] like ours that bring in tourist

[54:56] s

[54:56] and fill hotel beds.

[54:58] so we got $100,000 from that s

[55:01] o

[55:01] between the cost that I've

[55:03] reduced about $100,000 and the

[55:05]

[55:05] grant that we received of

[55:08] 100,000 that leaves me with the

[55:09]

[55:09] 55,000 that where suspect we're

[55:10]

[55:10] going to be short this year tha

[55:12] t

[55:12] we're tracking to be short on s

[55:13] o

[55:13] before we get to the part of

[55:14] like closing doors or laying

[55:15] people off or reducing services,

[55:18]

[55:18] I came to you all to say can y

[55:19] ou

[55:19] help me with this 55,000.

[55:21] and as far as what it will be

[55:23] spent on?

[55:24] I thought it made the most sen

[55:27] se

[55:27] to spend it on past debts eso

[55:29] then our monthly expenses payin

[55:30] g

[55:30] off of those debts are reduced

[55:32]

[55:32] and that sets us up month to

[55:34] month to be saving money on the

[55:35] z

[55:36] those debts and interest but I

[55:37]

[55:37] mean we have single shows comin

[55:39] g

[55:39] up where the artist fees are

[55:40] about $50,000.

[55:41] so like one, I could use this t

[55:43] o

[55:43] pay one artist fee and it would

[55:44]

[55:44] save us $50,000 that I could u

[55:46] se

[55:46] to address other issues.

[55:48] that's the kind of how the

[55:50] business works, there's major

[55:52] expenses, so so whether the

[55:55] 55,000 is spent on past

[55:56] expenses, whether we applied

[55:58] donor fees to past expenses and

[55:59]

[55:59] applied this to labor for the

[56:01] next calendar year, apply it t

[56:03] o

[56:03] artist fees or apply it to we

[56:05] have some major -- I'll name a

[56:08]

[56:08] few things I'd love to apply I

[56:09] t

[56:09] to.

[56:09] I mentioned production upgrade

[56:11] s

[56:11] so 10 years old with most of o

[56:13] ur

[56:13] production equipment and you

[56:14] know we need computer upgrades

[56:15]

[56:15] software upgrades, systems

[56:18] upgrades, we've already begun

[56:19] that.

[56:19] like replacing the lights like

[56:21]

[56:21] we did last week but you know

[56:22] lighting, seating, electrical

[56:24] upgrades, our outdoor sound

[56:28] system, and maintenance to our

[56:29]

[56:29] current production equipment.

[56:32] >> so it could be considered a

[56:33]

[56:33] windfall.

[56:33] >> a wind -- I'm not sure what

[56:36]

[56:36] that means.

[56:41] >> I don't know how to explain

[56:41]

[56:41] it.

[56:41] >> mayor: okay.

[56:47] anything else?

[56:48] okay.

[56:48] anyone else?

[56:49] all right.

[56:50] is there any public comment on

[56:51]

[56:51] this, madam clerk?

[56:52] >> I do not have public comment

[56:53]

[56:53] on this item.

[56:56] >> mayor: okay.

[56:57] would anyone like to make any

[56:57] sort of recommendation?

[56:59] commissioner duncan-walker.

[57:01] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[57:02] I just have some questions and

[57:03]

[57:03] then I want to make the comments

[57:06]

[57:06] because clearly I think so men

[57:08] a

[57:08] of us are appreciative of the

[57:09] work that is done out of

[57:10] heartwood and I know that when

[57:11]

[57:11] we spoke, I had a subsequent

[57:14] conversation with our arts

[57:17] grants programs, prca.

[57:21] and of course the question was

[57:23]

[57:23] you know what is existing there

[57:25]

[57:25] and what we found was

[57:27] unfortunately that heartwood d

[57:29] id

[57:29] not fit into the neat boxes tha

[57:31] t

[57:31] we currently have prescribed a

[57:34] s

[57:34] arts presenters and for me tha

[57:35] t

[57:35] was a bit of a challenge.

[57:36] so what I want to say to my

[57:38] colleagues here is we have I

[57:40] think a case where we have an

[57:42] arts presenter that is not

[57:44] fitting within our definition o

[57:45] f

[57:45] arts presenter, and I'm

[57:48] interested as a board to figur

[57:50] e

[57:50] out a way how we might be able

[57:52]

[57:52] to reconcile that.

[57:53] now I clearly understand that

[57:55] those arts organizations that

[57:57] we're currently funding out of

[57:58]

[57:58] those buckets of monies fit

[58:00] within a particular description

[58:01]

[58:01] but I think that we have to be

[58:03]

[58:03] mindful and we have to be

[58:07] responsive when we know that

[58:08] there are organizations that a

[58:09] re

[58:09] doing that thing that we just

[58:10] haven't considered how we, we

[58:12] are able to address that, okay

[58:15]

[58:15] in terms of money so what we

[58:19] hear is an organization that

[58:23] needs some help.

[58:25] and there are a lot of

[58:27] organizations that need help.

[58:31] so I'm struggling now with

[58:33] making sure that there is a fai

[58:36] r

[58:36] way as we move forward that

[58:43] we'll be able to do this in the

[58:44]

[58:44] future because we're already

[58:45] getting e-mails.

[58:46] should we do this, there will

[58:47] be

[58:47] more and there will be the

[58:48] question of well, the city

[58:50] funded heartwood why won't you

[58:52]

[58:52] fund us.

[58:53] and nobody's going to be

[58:54] concerned.

[58:54] nobody's concerned with our

[59:00] budget or bottom line is,

[59:02] they're just going to say you

[59:03] funded heartwood.

[59:04] so for me it's a matter of

[59:05] making sure our processes can

[59:06] accommodate what the needs are

[59:08]

[59:08] artistically here, and I want t

[59:09] o

[59:09] have another conversation and

[59:11] intertain and she's not in her

[59:12] e

[59:12] so I don't want to do it right

[59:14]

[59:14] now, but I think that I'm

[59:16] interested in coming back to t

[59:18] he

[59:18] table with parks, rec and

[59:21] cultural affairs or the cultura

[59:23] l

[59:23] affairs board, whichever entit

[59:25] y

[59:25] it is, it's our cultural affai

[59:27] rs

[59:27] department is who it is, to ha

[59:29] ve

[59:29] a conversation around what we

[59:35] would need to do to address the

[59:37]

[59:37] organization's like heartwood.

[59:39]

[59:39] heartwood is not the only one

[59:40] but it's the one that's in

[59:41] downtown that's doing a large

[59:43] volime of business -- volume o

[59:46] f

[59:46] business that is feeding into

[59:47] the economic development piece

[59:48]

[59:48] that is important and vital to

[59:50]

[59:50] the city.

[59:52] it's just a shame that we da wa

[59:57] y to fund it right now

[59:57] through the city.

[59:58] and flow have to look -- now

[1:00:00] have to look at doing this an

[1:00:02] alternate way that will be a b

[1:00:04] it

[1:00:04] controversial.

[1:00:04] so I want to say before I make

[1:00:06]

[1:00:06] any comment about the current

[1:00:07] request that I'd like for us t

[1:00:09] o

[1:00:09] look internally at our process

[1:00:11]

[1:00:11] and ask the cultural affairs

[1:00:15] council what they would need I

[1:00:16] n

[1:00:16] order to move this forward, a

[1:00:19] definition or grant program that

[1:00:25]

[1:00:25] would include organizations li

[1:00:29] ke

[1:00:29] what are the financial needs.

[1:00:32] who do we need to reach out to?

[1:00:33]

[1:00:33] I did want to ask you this.

[1:00:38] have you in any way engaged wit

[1:00:39] h

[1:00:39] the gainesville community

[1:00:40] foundation?

[1:00:40] >> gainesville community

[1:00:43] foundation?

[1:00:43] >> yes.

[1:00:44] >> is that the center for

[1:00:45] nonprofit excellence?

[1:00:48] >> they're a part of that.

[1:00:49] >> okay.

[1:00:50] >> the center for nonprofit

[1:00:51] excellence is a part.

[1:00:52] >> we have been in touch with

[1:00:53] the center for nonprofit

[1:00:54] excellence.

[1:00:54] I don't know specifically about

[1:00:56]

[1:00:56] the foundation that you speak o

[1:00:57] f

[1:00:57] though.

[1:00:57] >> mm-hmm.

[1:00:58] so what was the outcome of tha

[1:01:00] t

[1:01:00] interaction?

[1:01:00] >> they've been supportive and

[1:01:03]

[1:01:03] you know, they reached out

[1:01:07] actually one of the leaders of

[1:01:08]

[1:01:08] our organization reached out

[1:01:09] right when we became a nonprof

[1:01:10] it

[1:01:10] and said hey, you know, we're

[1:01:12] here if you need resources and

[1:01:13]

[1:01:13] we reached out back to her to

[1:01:14] connect her with our developme

[1:01:15] nt

[1:01:15] director when we hired him, so

[1:01:17]

[1:01:17] we've been in contact but there

[1:01:18]

[1:01:18] has been no discussion of here'

[1:01:20] s

[1:01:20] some money we have for you or

[1:01:21] anything like that.

[1:01:23] >> mayor: so to be clear they'

[1:01:24] re

[1:01:24] no longer with the north centr

[1:01:28] al

[1:01:28] florida community foundation?

[1:01:29] >> okay.

[1:01:30] >> mayor: and their missionis

[1:01:31] to help train nonprofits be goo

[1:01:34] d

[1:01:34] nonprofits --

[1:01:37] >> correct I'm definitely

[1:01:37] familiar with what the nonprof

[1:01:39] it

[1:01:39] center for nonprofit excellence

[1:01:42]

[1:01:42] does but I also know that the

[1:01:43] gainesville community foundation

[1:01:45]

[1:01:45] has been a grant making

[1:01:46] organization so I was wondering

[1:01:47]

[1:01:47] if there was any conversation o

[1:01:49] r

[1:01:49] any movement in that way.

[1:01:51] >> I'll write it down.

[1:01:52] I'll definitely reach out.

[1:01:55] >> I'll conclude for now.

[1:01:58] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:01:59] commissioner ingle.

[1:02:02] >> so I was not present for the

[1:02:04]

[1:02:04] previous discussion on this, b

[1:02:09] ut

[1:02:09] I was I can certainly see the

[1:02:10] concerns about we strike a che

[1:02:17] ck

[1:02:17] when the first nonprofit comes

[1:02:18]

[1:02:18] and asks us for money.

[1:02:20] there are certainly going to be

[1:02:20]

[1:02:20] a lot of people asking for mon

[1:02:21] ey

[1:02:21] like this.

[1:02:22] I will say heartwood to me, I

[1:02:25] greatly enjoy the place.

[1:02:26] it's -- but more than that, if

[1:02:31]

[1:02:31] you remember the baird center

[1:02:33] prior to heartwood, there was

[1:02:36] nothing there.

[1:02:37] I mean, there was a one bla

[1:02:39] box theater and the old

[1:02:42] crosstown was there.

[1:02:43] but I'll say it was pretty muc

[1:02:45] h

[1:02:45] a derelict building so I reall

[1:02:47] y

[1:02:47] do think that this is an ancho

[1:02:50] r

[1:02:50] business that is keeping I mea

[1:02:54] n

[1:02:54] just another half dozen

[1:02:56] businesses going and then just

[1:02:57]

[1:02:57] in general adding an awful lot

[1:03:02]

[1:03:02] to the economy of kind of south

[1:03:05]

[1:03:05] main and it's been a kind of a

[1:03:06] n

[1:03:06] anchor that I feel has drawn l

[1:03:08] ot

[1:03:08] of things down that way.

[1:03:10] it's kind of dove tailed very

[1:03:12] nicely with depot park and

[1:03:14] really turning that into a muc

[1:03:17] h

[1:03:17] different economic area than it

[1:03:18]

[1:03:18] was prior to heartwood being

[1:03:20] there.

[1:03:20] I don't know the best way of

[1:03:25] going about supporting them but

[1:03:27]

[1:03:27] I know we've done plenty of

[1:03:28] grants for other organizations

[1:03:30]

[1:03:30] that were everything from

[1:03:32] picking an area of town that we

[1:03:34]

[1:03:34] want to put some money into mak

[1:03:35] e

[1:03:35] sure that their, there's options

[1:03:38]

[1:03:38] there for businesses to get --

[1:03:39]

[1:03:39] built up and facades of

[1:03:42] buildings to get cleaned to

[1:03:44] those types of things to helping

[1:03:45]

[1:03:45] out the hippodrome.

[1:03:46] so I would really like to find

[1:03:48]

[1:03:48] some way to move forward with

[1:03:49] this.

[1:03:49] I think it's, it's important n

[1:03:51] ot

[1:03:51] only to heartwood but also to

[1:03:53] a

[1:03:53] lot of other businesses around

[1:03:54]

[1:03:54] there and generally the economi

[1:03:55] c

[1:03:55] health of the area but whether

[1:03:56]

[1:03:56] that looks like, like a low or

[1:04:01]

[1:04:01] no interest loan, whether that

[1:04:02]

[1:04:02] looks like a grant, whether tha

[1:04:03] t

[1:04:03] looks like whatever, I think

[1:04:05] it's a very important driver f

[1:04:07] or

[1:04:07] the area that I think it would

[1:04:11]

[1:04:11] be very detrimental if we let

[1:04:12] fail.

[1:04:12] more than that, like I also

[1:04:16] think it is very unique in the

[1:04:19]

[1:04:19] arts community in town that it's

[1:04:21]

[1:04:21] one of the few kind of regiona

[1:04:24] l

[1:04:24] draws for music in the area.

[1:04:27] you know it's not national act

[1:04:28] s

[1:04:28] but it's larger than local act

[1:04:31] s,

[1:04:31] and it really does pull in, it'

[1:04:35] s

[1:04:35] kind of well known I don't kno

[1:04:39] w

[1:04:39] what you would call it, second

[1:04:40]

[1:04:40] tier stars or whatever, there

[1:04:41] aren't quite national touring

[1:04:43] acts but are that kind of level

[1:04:44]

[1:04:44] that pulls a lot of people int

[1:04:45] o

[1:04:45] gainesville.

[1:04:45] like I know a lot of people tha

[1:04:47] t

[1:04:47] are familiar with gainesville

[1:04:49] because of heartwood.

[1:04:50] they came here to see shows

[1:04:51] there.

[1:04:51] and that's why they're coming t

[1:04:54] o

[1:04:54] town.

[1:04:54] so I don't know the best way t

[1:04:58] o

[1:04:58] move forward with it but I thi

[1:04:59] nk

[1:04:59] it's important we find some way

[1:05:00]

[1:05:00] to move forward with it.

[1:05:01] >> mayor: all right.

[1:05:02] thank you, commissioner ingle.

[1:05:04]

[1:05:04] commissional willits.

[1:05:05] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:05:07] you know, it's not lost on me

[1:05:08] that about a block away we're

[1:05:09] trying to sell a property, an

[1:05:12] old fire station location.

[1:05:13] $55,000 could be the

[1:05:15] difference -- I mean a good

[1:05:17] functioning business community

[1:05:18]

[1:05:18] on south main street versus one

[1:05:20]

[1:05:20] with a you know a big hole in

[1:05:22] it, could be the difference in

[1:05:24]

[1:05:24] how -- how much we sell that

[1:05:25] property for.

[1:05:26] you know?

[1:05:27] so that's, to me it's economic

[1:05:30]

[1:05:30] development and arts.

[1:05:32] these are the two things kind o

[1:05:33] f

[1:05:33] combined.

[1:05:33] and so the fact that the count

[1:05:36] y

[1:05:36] tourism bed tax is being

[1:05:37] supported that leads me more

[1:05:38] towards hey this is the county

[1:05:40]

[1:05:40] has done their part, can we do

[1:05:43]

[1:05:43] part, and ms. Karns can you

[1:05:45] remind me did the full county

[1:05:47] commission have to vote on tha

[1:05:48] t

[1:05:48] grant?

[1:05:48] does it go through them or is

[1:05:50] it

[1:05:50] part of a committee or an

[1:05:52] administrative decision?

[1:05:54] >> the alachua county arts

[1:05:55] council I want to say decides on

[1:05:58]

[1:05:58] the grant, and then they send

[1:06:00] that to the county commissione

[1:06:01] rs

[1:06:01] to approve.

[1:06:02] >> okay.

[1:06:03] so in the end it is --

[1:06:04] >> it was vetted both by the

[1:06:05] council and by the commission.

[1:06:06]

[1:06:06] >> okay.

[1:06:08] county commission's kind of done

[1:06:09]

[1:06:09] part of their part.

[1:06:10] this leads me more towards --

[1:06:12] I'm very in the middle.

[1:06:13] I don't know.

[1:06:14] because it is, it's so importa

[1:06:16] nt

[1:06:16] to the business development.

[1:06:17] if this was ngcra in a different

[1:06:21]

[1:06:21] way or in our arts programs mor

[1:06:25] e

[1:06:25] aligned out I would feel more

[1:06:26] comfortable but I'm looking at

[1:06:27]

[1:06:27] your calendar just through jul

[1:06:29] y

[1:06:29] and there's all kinds of stuff

[1:06:30]

[1:06:30] on here.

[1:06:31] all kinds of great stuff.

[1:06:33] ani defranko and juvenile are

[1:06:36] definitely national acts.

[1:06:37] and rightly so some of the act

[1:06:38] s

[1:06:38] on here that I'm sure the

[1:06:39] florida legislature does about

[1:06:40]

[1:06:40] want to talk about.

[1:06:42] blues society presents women I

[1:06:43] n

[1:06:43] blues showcase if we're allowed

[1:06:45]

[1:06:45] to showcase women in music.

[1:06:47] or black -- there is just whole

[1:06:50]

[1:06:50] list.

[1:06:50] I do it for my city festival I

[1:06:53] n

[1:06:53] master class these are things

[1:06:54] people in the state legislature

[1:06:55]

[1:06:55] probably don't want us to

[1:06:56] participate, but we're free to

[1:06:58]

[1:06:58] do it for now.

[1:07:01] so I'm leaning more towards

[1:07:03] let's find this 55,000 but in

[1:07:05] the best I don't have a

[1:07:07] preference on the format or

[1:07:09] version.

[1:07:09] a zero interest loan is where I

[1:07:12]

[1:07:12] lean towards if we're capable o

[1:07:15] f

[1:07:15] doing that.

[1:07:15] a zero interest loan.

[1:07:16] that way they figure out what

[1:07:19] they need to do, whether it's

[1:07:20] pay off debt or whatever, and

[1:07:22] they have less in their monthly

[1:07:25]

[1:07:25] you know costs and they can pay

[1:07:26]

[1:07:26] us back over a period of time.

[1:07:28]

[1:07:28] city manager, I would need a

[1:07:30] little more guidance on -- I

[1:07:33] know loans are not impossible.

[1:07:34]

[1:07:34] we do it in certain formats, b

[1:07:37] ut

[1:07:37] this is one where it's a littl

[1:07:38] e

[1:07:38] out of my -- I was not prepped

[1:07:39]

[1:07:39] for that portion of this today

[1:07:42] ,

[1:07:42] so can you answer a little bit

[1:07:43]

[1:07:43] about loans or somebody?

[1:07:47] >> to be honest, this is kind o

[1:07:48] f

[1:07:48] new territory for the city wit

[1:07:52] h

[1:07:52] respect to this, the examples o

[1:07:56] f

[1:07:56] loans that I can give you that

[1:07:57]

[1:07:57] we do do are the connect three

[1:08:01]

[1:08:01] funds are typically structured

[1:08:03]

[1:08:03] as a very low interest loan.

[1:08:09] we have certain aspects of our

[1:08:11]

[1:08:11] housing programs.

[1:08:15] we are technically a forgivabl

[1:08:17] e

[1:08:17] loan with a sort of soft side

[1:08:19] mortgage that gets forgiven yea

[1:08:21] r

[1:08:21] after year in a prorated sense

[1:08:25] .

[1:08:25] I think as I mentioned like we

[1:08:26]

[1:08:26] don't have terms if for this f

[1:08:28] or

[1:08:28] the, for the loan.

[1:08:30] we would look for the commissio

[1:08:31] n

[1:08:31] if they wanted to be forgivabl

[1:08:34] e

[1:08:34] or zero interest.

[1:08:35] like we could work with them a

[1:08:36] nd

[1:08:36] then come up with terms.

[1:08:39] >> okay.

[1:08:39] I mean, by all means, if we giv

[1:08:42] e

[1:08:42] $55,000 loan with zero interes

[1:08:43] t

[1:08:43] and forgivable and they're ali

[1:08:44] ve

[1:08:44] and kicking in three or four

[1:08:46] years, great.

[1:08:47] we've achieved, you know, the

[1:08:49] goal.

[1:08:49] so that's, I just ask that but

[1:08:50]

[1:08:50] I'm leaning more towards let's

[1:08:52]

[1:08:52] figure this out and find it as

[1:08:54]

[1:08:54] an economic development piece

[1:08:55] with the county already having

[1:08:56]

[1:08:56] put in their portion and then

[1:08:59] you know an opportunity.

[1:09:00] it is out on the edge of what

[1:09:01] I'm comfortable with.

[1:09:02] it's a bit of leap of faith not

[1:09:05]

[1:09:05] in you ms. Karns or the

[1:09:07] soundstage but a leap of faith

[1:09:09]

[1:09:09] of what the community does and

[1:09:10]

[1:09:10] doesn't support as an entire

[1:09:13] whole.

[1:09:13] I think that's all I got for

[1:09:15] now.

[1:09:15] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:09:17] commissioner willits and let m

[1:09:17] e

[1:09:17] throw an idea out there and the

[1:09:18] n

[1:09:18] we'll go back around to the res

[1:09:20] t

[1:09:20] of the lights.

[1:09:21] what if we thought of this and

[1:09:24] I

[1:09:25] am, I don't have a proposal

[1:09:26] ready I'm just putting this ide

[1:09:29] a

[1:09:29] out there.

[1:09:30] what if we went in the direction

[1:09:31]

[1:09:31] of a loan very low interest loa

[1:09:34] n

[1:09:34] that we could then turn into a

[1:09:41]

[1:09:41] revolving loan opportunity for

[1:09:44]

[1:09:44] arts presenting organizations?

[1:09:45]

[1:09:45] so as that is paid back, we the

[1:09:48] n

[1:09:48] make that available to other

[1:09:50] arts presenting organizations on

[1:09:53] same sort of basis.

[1:09:56] just that's a thought.

[1:09:57] that's a way for us to honestl

[1:09:59] y

[1:09:59] put our money where our mouth is

[1:10:01]

[1:10:01] when we talk about supporting

[1:10:02] the arts for arts presenting

[1:10:03] organizations and see if maybe

[1:10:06]

[1:10:06] there's an opportunity to use

[1:10:09] that as seed money for other

[1:10:11] arts presenting organizations.

[1:10:14]

[1:10:14] then we could do that

[1:10:15] geographically.

[1:10:15] we could -- there are any numbe

[1:10:17] r

[1:10:17] of ways that we could think

[1:10:19] about that.

[1:10:20] consider that as we do this.

[1:10:22] it would be good to have you

[1:10:24] know, options a, b, and c for u

[1:10:28] s

[1:10:28] to choose from up here rather

[1:10:29] than us trying to create a loa

[1:10:33] n

[1:10:33] package as we go.

[1:10:34] but I would like to have that a

[1:10:37] s

[1:10:37] a, an option.

[1:10:39] I would also like us to consider

[1:10:42]

[1:10:42] that there are a bit of a

[1:10:43] timeline.

[1:10:43] I mean they know there is a

[1:10:45] money crunch coming down the

[1:10:46] road in summer.

[1:10:47] I mean they indicated to us

[1:10:48] whether they were here last

[1:10:49] time.

[1:10:49] -- when they were here last time

[1:10:51]

[1:10:51] so we need to keep that in min

[1:10:52] d

[1:10:52] as well.

[1:10:53] all right, commissioner

[1:10:54] duncan-walker.

[1:10:54] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.to ask

[1:10:57] the city

[1:10:57] manager, did the city provide,

[1:11:02]

[1:11:02] was what we did with the reggae

[1:11:05]

[1:11:05] shack, was that a loan through

[1:11:07]

[1:11:07] gcra?

[1:11:07] >> the related to the -- are y

[1:11:16] ou

[1:11:16] talking --

[1:11:17] >> I know it particular

[1:11:17] owner and there were ways the

[1:11:20] city interfaced and worked wit

[1:11:22] h

[1:11:22] this person on I believe a few

[1:11:23]

[1:11:23] different projects.

[1:11:24] I don't recall whether it was,

[1:11:26] I

[1:11:26] do believe it was southern char

[1:11:28] m

[1:11:28] but I thought it was also regga

[1:11:30] e

[1:11:30] shack and another one of the

[1:11:32] restaurants that they were

[1:11:33] trying to do.

[1:11:35] the twisted peacock I believe

[1:11:37] >> that would've been outside o

[1:11:39] f

[1:11:39] cra area.

[1:11:40] the twisted peacock.I believe w

[1:11:44] ithout you know

[1:11:45] without having to do some

[1:11:46] research, I believe reggae sha

[1:11:49] ck

[1:11:49] receive received a facade g

[1:11:52] rant

[1:11:52] for the front of the building

[1:11:54] and then the southern charm was

[1:11:56]

[1:11:56] a, you know, was a complete yo

[1:11:58] u

[1:11:58] know we built a restaurant

[1:12:01] essentially for that.

[1:12:02] but I don't think that it's an

[1:12:03]

[1:12:03] equivalent in this case.

[1:12:05] >> not a loan that the city

[1:12:07] created for that.

[1:12:09] >> correct.

[1:12:10] I would, I just want -- the

[1:12:12] opportunity.

[1:12:12] I would suggest that the

[1:12:16] commission separate creation o

[1:12:17] f

[1:12:17] a new loan program from this

[1:12:22] discussion like because I think

[1:12:24]

[1:12:24] if you all give direction that

[1:12:26]

[1:12:26] that's something you want to d

[1:12:27] o

[1:12:27] then we would work that into t

[1:12:30] he

[1:12:30] budget but I think for all the

[1:12:31]

[1:12:31] reasons that you know that have

[1:12:32]

[1:12:32] been listed both in terms of

[1:12:35] the, the timing for heartwood,

[1:12:37]

[1:12:37] and then not coming up with

[1:12:39] something on a daises separatin

[1:12:41] g

[1:12:41] the two -- dais, separating the

[1:12:43]

[1:12:43] two, they may both have the

[1:12:45] reasons would probably be the

[1:12:48] best course in this case.

[1:12:51] >> mm-hmm.

[1:12:53] andrew, can I ask you this.

[1:12:54] you see no reason it can't be

[1:12:56] arts specific though, the

[1:12:57] discussion you come back with,

[1:13:00]

[1:13:00] correct?

[1:13:00] >> from a loan program?

[1:13:01] yeah, of course.

[1:13:01] I think that would be the focus

[1:13:07]

[1:13:07] based on y'all discussion.

[1:13:09] >> okay.

[1:13:09] thank you.

[1:13:10] I conclude for now, mr. Mayor.

[1:13:12]

[1:13:12] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:13:13] commissioner.

[1:13:13] so for all of you wondering why

[1:13:15]

[1:13:15] didn't they just talk about thi

[1:13:16] s

[1:13:16] beforehand.

[1:13:16] because we can't.

[1:13:18] the sunshine law says if we're

[1:13:21]

[1:13:21] going to talk about things tha

[1:13:22] t

[1:13:22] we're going to vote on, this is

[1:13:23]

[1:13:23] the way that we do that.

[1:13:25] and it is, it is uncomfortable

[1:13:28]

[1:13:28] watching the sausage get made I

[1:13:30] n

[1:13:30] public but this is how it

[1:13:31] works.

[1:13:31] so commissioner eastman.

[1:13:35] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:13:36] I agree with everything that

[1:13:37] commissioner ingle said from

[1:13:38] before.

[1:13:38] I think that losing heartwood

[1:13:40] sound stage would be, I mean,

[1:13:43] devastating for south main which

[1:13:44]

[1:13:44] we have invested lot of money I

[1:13:46] n

[1:13:46] over time to we're seeing the

[1:13:48] fruits of that and it is truly

[1:13:50]

[1:13:50] an anchor business that is dow

[1:13:52] n

[1:13:52] there.

[1:13:52] it would be a loss to our music

[1:13:55]

[1:13:55] community which has lost a lot

[1:13:57]

[1:13:57] of its medium sized venue over

[1:13:59]

[1:13:59] the last couple of years.

[1:14:00] there are very, very few place

[1:14:01] s

[1:14:01] that medium sized band or group

[1:14:03]

[1:14:03] would be able to play in here

[1:14:06] just in our entire city and

[1:14:07] heartwood really serves that

[1:14:09] purpose and it's why --

[1:14:11] potentially the only one that

[1:14:12] serves that purpose right now

[1:14:14] within the city of gainesville

[1:14:16] .

[1:14:16] but I also I mean I agree

[1:14:17] withition comer willits and som

[1:14:18] e

[1:14:18] of the other folks that have

[1:14:18] spoken that said, you know, you

[1:14:20]

[1:14:20] also -- because I spent the rest of t

[1:14:22] of this time up here on the

[1:14:22] commission today arguing about

[1:14:24]

[1:14:24] following processes and that

[1:14:27] making one -- when you start

[1:14:28] making one off decisions here,

[1:14:30]

[1:14:30] that ends up bek-78ing bec

[1:14:32] oming

[1:14:32] the process in and of itself.

[1:14:34] if people come and ask you mon

[1:14:36] ey

[1:14:36] and you make an exception,

[1:14:37] eventually there is not a rule,

[1:14:38]

[1:14:38] right?

[1:14:38] you're now the exception to the

[1:14:41]

[1:14:41] rule.

[1:14:41] and so yeah I've struggled wit

[1:14:43] h

[1:14:43] it in exactly the same way.

[1:14:46] so we're now talking about the

[1:14:48]

[1:14:48] needs of heartwood that have

[1:14:51] been up until this point kind o

[1:14:52] f

[1:14:52] spoken about as a, some way tha

[1:14:56] t

[1:14:56] funding would go straight to

[1:14:57] heartwood that would then, tha

[1:14:59] t

[1:14:59] would work in some way.

[1:15:00] and I said at the last meeting

[1:15:02]

[1:15:02] I'll say it this one that

[1:15:03] anything like this I think it

[1:15:04] has to be focused on what the

[1:15:05] community gets from it, what t

[1:15:07] he

[1:15:07] benefits are, that would to me

[1:15:08]

[1:15:08] mean open community events,

[1:15:11] community gatherings that, tha

[1:15:13] t

[1:15:13] you guys are either doing

[1:15:14] currently or that you would be

[1:15:16]

[1:15:16] putting into place that, that

[1:15:18] I

[1:15:18] mean that is what our taxpayers

[1:15:19]

[1:15:19] expect.

[1:15:19] is they expect that our funding

[1:15:21]

[1:15:21] is going to supporting overall

[1:15:23]

[1:15:23] something that benefits the

[1:15:24] community, but as someone had

[1:15:26] mentioned a, just a regular, n

[1:15:30] o

[1:15:30] interest loan.

[1:15:31] I don't know if that,and you

[1:15:33] mentioned, I mean you had a

[1:15:33] couple of -- trying to fill a

[1:15:35] gap, right, but then too, you'r

[1:15:37] e

[1:15:37] trying to pay off old debts, a

[1:15:39] nd

[1:15:39] get rid of the, the interest

[1:15:42] that's on that.

[1:15:42] I mean, what -- I know just cam

[1:15:45] e

[1:15:45] up here today, but what are you

[1:15:47] r

[1:15:47] thoughts overall about it?

[1:15:48] a no interest loan for that

[1:15:49] amount?

[1:15:49] >> I think any of those three

[1:15:51] you said the loan, the advanced

[1:15:53]

[1:15:53] grant, or the reimbursable

[1:15:54] grant, we could work within the

[1:15:57]

[1:15:57] measures of any of those three

[1:15:58] ,

[1:15:58] and I would want as much as yo

[1:16:00] u

[1:16:00] all for it to be completely

[1:16:01] transparent completely reported

[1:16:03]

[1:16:03] on like I want no, you know, I

[1:16:05] 'm

[1:16:05] not interested in negative press

[1:16:06]

[1:16:06] for heartwood.

[1:16:07] I want to be completely

[1:16:08] transparent in everything we're

[1:16:09]

[1:16:09] is happy to provide whatever

[1:16:13] receipts are needed and you kno

[1:16:15] w

[1:16:15] to make sure that it's all don

[1:16:16] e

[1:16:16] above board and nothing's

[1:16:18] seedy.

[1:16:18] >> right but there is -- one's

[1:16:20] a

[1:16:20] forgivable loan which would be

[1:16:22] I

[1:16:22] mean similar to a grant in tha

[1:16:23] t

[1:16:23] we would give you the up front

[1:16:24]

[1:16:24] money and then over time when

[1:16:26] it

[1:16:26] could be certain provisions are

[1:16:28]

[1:16:28] met then that is, that gets

[1:16:30] taken off of the total amount o

[1:16:32] r

[1:16:32] it could be just a grant that'

[1:16:33] s

[1:16:33] on the front end or I guess a

[1:16:35] rerebimersable grant doesn't f

[1:16:38] ix

[1:16:38] the cash crunch in the

[1:16:39] short-term because as you said

[1:16:40]

[1:16:40] at the last one, the summer is

[1:16:43]

[1:16:43] where the cash crunch is comin

[1:16:44] g

[1:16:44] in but the other one would be a

[1:16:45]

[1:16:45] no interest lane loan.

[1:16:48] cash eventually that would be

[1:16:50] paid back over a point of time

[1:16:52]

[1:16:52] so it's really a loan at that

[1:16:53] point.

[1:16:53] it's not a grant or some amoun

[1:16:54] t

[1:16:54] that is spent.

[1:16:56] >> that's, less helpful than t

[1:16:59] he

[1:16:59] other options maybe a band aid

[1:17:01]

[1:17:01] but then we owe you a money in

[1:17:03]

[1:17:03] the year or two so it's just a

[1:17:04] s

[1:17:04] we're kind of breaking even and

[1:17:07]

[1:17:07] so yeah not -- I would favor t

[1:17:09] he

[1:17:09] options of a forgivable loan o

[1:17:13] r

[1:17:13] an advanced grant.

[1:17:17] >> I mean, that is what I walke

[1:17:18] d

[1:17:18] into this discussion with the

[1:17:19] idea of the with a forgivable

[1:17:21] loan of some amount that would

[1:17:24]

[1:17:24] be forgiven upon the contingen

[1:17:28] t

[1:17:28] upon having publicly accessible

[1:17:30]

[1:17:30] community events throughout th

[1:17:31] e

[1:17:31] year at some number that would

[1:17:33]

[1:17:33] be, the over three-year period

[1:17:36]

[1:17:36] is what I had written down her

[1:17:36] e

[1:17:36] that would just to ensure that

[1:17:39]

[1:17:39] which I think is the best thing

[1:17:41]

[1:17:41] that solves the cash crunch on

[1:17:43]

[1:17:43] the front end and then ensures

[1:17:44]

[1:17:44] that there is some community

[1:17:45] benefit to this on the back

[1:17:46] end.

[1:17:46] but does not solve the overall

[1:17:50]

[1:17:50] question of, of how do you

[1:17:52] ensure that this is done

[1:17:53] fairly.

[1:17:53] we just don't I mean if we're,

[1:17:56]

[1:17:56] if we believe, if we believe

[1:17:58] that this is something that

[1:17:59] needs to happen immediately,

[1:18:00] this has to happen before the

[1:18:03] summer, then we don't have

[1:18:04] time -- to the mayor's point I

[1:18:06]

[1:18:06] like the idea of having

[1:18:06] revolving loans, mr. Mayor,

[1:18:08] making sure that we have that I

[1:18:10] n

[1:18:10] place, you know, to city

[1:18:12] manager's point we just don't

[1:18:13] have the time for that at the

[1:18:14] moment.

[1:18:14] but I do think that there is

[1:18:16] some kind of a solution we cou

[1:18:18] ld

[1:18:18] find here.

[1:18:18] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:18:19] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:18:20] commissioner eastman.

[1:18:20] I do want to point out that

[1:18:22] speaking of process, speaking to

[1:18:23]

[1:18:23] process, we have off the top o

[1:18:26] f

[1:18:26] my head I can name three times

[1:18:28]

[1:18:28] in the last few years when we'

[1:18:29] ve

[1:18:29] done almost exactly the same

[1:18:30] thing for more money. And

[1:18:33] and that is got a $75,000 grant

[1:18:41] ,

[1:18:41] came and made a proposal, we

[1:18:43] said okay, here is your money.

[1:18:44]

[1:18:44] the hippodrome didn't even make

[1:18:46]

[1:18:46] a proposal just walked up and

[1:18:49] said we need $250,000.

[1:18:51] we said how about 150 I think

[1:18:53] was the number.

[1:18:54] and by the way, I voted for

[1:18:55] every one of these and I'm

[1:18:56] pretty sure that they were all

[1:18:58]

[1:18:58] unanimous so I'm not casting a

[1:19:00] ny

[1:19:00] apirations -- aspersions here.

[1:19:03]

[1:19:03] and last year we gave bread of

[1:19:05]

[1:19:05] the m$100,000.

[1:19:06] now that waserary specifically

[1:19:08]

[1:19:08] to go feed -- not saying that

[1:19:11] they're all the same.

[1:19:11] they're not.

[1:19:13] but I am saying that this is n

[1:19:16] ot

[1:19:16] out of the ordinary in the

[1:19:18] greater scheme of things, and I

[1:19:23]

[1:19:23] think the lesson is that we nee

[1:19:24] d

[1:19:24] to find a way to make it less

[1:19:25] out of the ordinary and find a

[1:19:26]

[1:19:26] way to create actual process s

[1:19:30] o

[1:19:30] that when people come say hey,

[1:19:32]

[1:19:32] we need money, we say well

[1:19:34] there's a process for that ther

[1:19:36] e

[1:19:36] are right now processes that a

[1:19:41] re

[1:19:41] very much boxes that are built

[1:19:43]

[1:19:43] and if you don't fit one -- if

[1:19:45]

[1:19:45] you fit one of the boxes you

[1:19:47] probably don't need the money I

[1:19:48] n

[1:19:48] the first place.

[1:19:48] but if you don't, then there I

[1:19:49] s

[1:19:49] really nowhere where we can say

[1:19:51]

[1:19:51] here, go there and do this and

[1:19:53]

[1:19:53] we'll work through it with you

[1:19:56] .

[1:19:56] so but it is not out of the

[1:19:57] ordinary for this to happen a

[1:19:59] thing that we are asked of and

[1:20:01]

[1:20:01] that we respond affirmatively

[1:20:03] to.

[1:20:03] commissioner ingle.

[1:20:10] >> I want to say I like the ide

[1:20:12] a

[1:20:12] that commissioner eastman

[1:20:13] floated about having some actua

[1:20:14] l

[1:20:14] deliverables for the community

[1:20:17]

[1:20:17] that this would be going towar

[1:20:18] ds

[1:20:18] so there was some accountable

[1:20:20] for what that money was --

[1:20:22] accountability for what that

[1:20:22] money was for.

[1:20:23] but then also I would really

[1:20:24] like to take a look at what we

[1:20:27]

[1:20:27] could do to establish a kind o

[1:20:30] f

[1:20:30] long-term program on making som

[1:20:30] e

[1:20:30] of these loans available both

[1:20:32] for economic development and

[1:20:36] arts programs and that, it's a

[1:20:41]

[1:20:41] little bit of a cost on the up

[1:20:43]

[1:20:43] front but it should be coming

[1:20:45] back and about break even, the

[1:20:47]

[1:20:47] type of thing I talked to a lot

[1:20:48]

[1:20:48] of businesses and developers

[1:20:49] that are like well I would rea

[1:20:50] l

[1:20:50] ay like to be able to do x but

[1:20:53]

[1:20:53] money is 6.5% right now so it'

[1:20:55] s

[1:20:55] not even necessarily need, not

[1:20:57]

[1:20:57] necessarily that everybody jus

[1:21:00] t

[1:21:00] needs a check but like the

[1:21:01] ability to get some pay backabl

[1:21:04] e

[1:21:04] money at a reasonable price tha

[1:21:05] t

[1:21:05] could keep economic development

[1:21:07]

[1:21:07] going in the town if interest

[1:21:11] rates continue to explode and

[1:21:13] the economy in general slows

[1:21:14] down.

[1:21:14] so I think it might be a timely

[1:21:16]

[1:21:16] thing for us to take a look at

[1:21:18]

[1:21:18] in general.

[1:21:20] like I said as manager mentioned

[1:21:22]

[1:21:22] I don't think you're going to

[1:21:23] be

[1:21:23] able to put that together to

[1:21:25] address this, but I think those

[1:21:27]

[1:21:27] two things in tandem are

[1:21:29] something I can probably get

[1:21:30] behind.

[1:21:30] >> mayor: okay.

[1:21:31] thank you, commissioner ingle.

[1:21:33]

[1:21:33] commissioner chestnut.

[1:21:35] >> okay.

[1:21:36] my question was going to be on

[1:21:39]

[1:21:39] process.

[1:21:39] last year for the hippodrome.

[1:21:42] the hippodrome was in dire

[1:21:44] straits.

[1:21:44] they couldn't meet their

[1:21:45] payroll.

[1:21:45] and we stepped in to help them.

[1:21:50]

[1:21:50] bread of the mighty -- food

[1:21:56] stamps.

[1:21:56] we had to meet that need

[1:21:57] immediately for our community.

[1:22:01]

[1:22:01] trying to think of the other

[1:22:02] one.

[1:22:02] so that's the one thought.

[1:22:07] then I do not like reimbursabl

[1:22:10] e

[1:22:10] loans or payments because that

[1:22:12]

[1:22:12] really doesn't help the

[1:22:14] organization you're trying to.

[1:22:15]

[1:22:15] if they have to put up the money

[1:22:17]

[1:22:17] first, then submit papers to y

[1:22:20] ou

[1:22:20] to be reimbursed it really

[1:22:24] doesn't serve their purpose.

[1:22:30] I don't think we can create the

[1:22:31]

[1:22:31] program sitting up here today,

[1:22:33]

[1:22:33] but just -- I'm just thinking

[1:22:35] that of course we have the

[1:22:37] tourist development council, and

[1:22:39]

[1:22:39] I think that's probably where

[1:22:39] you got the money from from the

[1:22:41]

[1:22:41] county was the tourist

[1:22:42] development council.

[1:22:44] then we have the north central

[1:22:47]

[1:22:47] florida -- community

[1:22:52] foundation.

[1:22:52] I'm trying to think if there I

[1:22:54] s

[1:22:54] some kind of program we could

[1:22:56] create with them where we could

[1:22:57]

[1:22:57] deposit funds and then let the

[1:23:01] m

[1:23:01] be the distributor.

[1:23:08] I don't know I'm just having,

[1:23:09] I'm just having a problem with

[1:23:10]

[1:23:10] this one right here today.

[1:23:11] I'm having a -- I'm having a

[1:23:13] real problem with it.

[1:23:15] maybe something we need to sen

[1:23:17] d

[1:23:17] back to the manager.

[1:23:18] I thought we would -- with som

[1:23:20] e

[1:23:20] more direction, with some more

[1:23:22]

[1:23:22] direction.

[1:23:22] but in the end they really may

[1:23:27]

[1:23:27] generate the $50,000 they need

[1:23:29]

[1:23:29] anyway by summer.

[1:23:32] she's gotten part of it.

[1:23:36] so I'm just having a problem

[1:23:38] with signing off on it today.

[1:23:41] I did not support giving money

[1:23:44]

[1:23:44] for an auditor this morning.

[1:23:47] for our city program so I reall

[1:23:49] y

[1:23:49] have a problem trying to fund

[1:23:51] this now.

[1:23:52] so I probably would not vote t

[1:23:54] o

[1:23:54] fund it.

[1:23:58] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:23:58] commissioner chestnut.

[1:23:59] commissioner book.

[1:24:02] >> yes, mr. Mayor.

[1:24:02] so I'm in a similar place,

[1:24:03] right?

[1:24:03] I want to stay consistent with

[1:24:06]

[1:24:06] the way that we fund

[1:24:07] organizations even those that

[1:24:09] have great potential and are

[1:24:10] greatly worthwhile, which is

[1:24:12] this one.

[1:24:13] but it's been a nonprofit for

[1:24:14] seven months, and it ran a

[1:24:16] deficit for several years, and

[1:24:17]

[1:24:17] the only way I know that is

[1:24:19] because their own staff and the

[1:24:20]

[1:24:20] folks who've funded it told us

[1:24:22]

[1:24:22] that.

[1:24:22] that it run at deficit for

[1:24:24] several years, and it's only

[1:24:26] because they've moved to a

[1:24:27] nonprofit model and you have

[1:24:29] really proactive aggressive

[1:24:31] staff that they're in a positio

[1:24:32] n

[1:24:32] that they're far more

[1:24:34] financially solvent now.

[1:24:36] so that's a testament to the

[1:24:37] folks who are working there, a

[1:24:40] nd

[1:24:40] the director.

[1:24:41] kind of on the back end,

[1:24:43] commissioner duncan-walker was

[1:24:44]

[1:24:44] talking about a process that's

[1:24:45]

[1:24:45] more inclusive for arts and

[1:24:47] cultural affairs.

[1:24:48] I support that.

[1:24:49] that might be on the back end

[1:24:50] something that comes out.

[1:24:51] I think you have a little more

[1:24:52]

[1:24:52] knowledge than I do in that.

[1:24:53] that we should in fact move

[1:24:55] forward a process to research

[1:24:57] that.

[1:24:57] because I think is it mayor pr

[1:25:01] o

[1:25:01] tem is the papi grant that is

[1:25:07] the one that is very narrowly

[1:25:08] tayered taylered.

[1:25:11] well it probably shouldn't be s

[1:25:12] o

[1:25:12] narrowly tailored at this point

[1:25:14]

[1:25:14] with the, with the plethora of

[1:25:16]

[1:25:16] organizations.

[1:25:16] >> you may eat those words.

[1:25:19] [laughter]

[1:25:19] >> I don't think so.

[1:25:21] I won't.

[1:25:23] I just think there should be a

[1:25:25]

[1:25:25] second motion that comes out

[1:25:26] that deals with allowing the

[1:25:29] city to determine better ways

[1:25:31] for potentially -- and it may

[1:25:34] not even be that grant.

[1:25:35] I'm pretty broad thinking in

[1:25:37] this regard.

[1:25:37] but I do think we need mike sur

[1:25:39] e

[1:25:39] that we're looking and -- make

[1:25:41]

[1:25:41] sure that we're looking up and

[1:25:42]

[1:25:42] staying up with times and

[1:25:43] friends for the way the --

[1:25:46] trends for the way those

[1:25:46] organizations provide those

[1:25:47] types of events and cultural

[1:25:48] development to the city.

[1:25:49] so that's second.

[1:25:51] as it relates to this money

[1:25:53] again I voted against providing

[1:25:54]

[1:25:54] money to our own city this

[1:25:56] morning.

[1:25:56] and I know it's a different

[1:25:57] funding source.

[1:25:59] but there's no mechanism that

[1:26:01] after seven months as a

[1:26:02] nonprofit I could say that

[1:26:03] that's enough runway to see tha

[1:26:05] t

[1:26:05] we've done everything, and the

[1:26:06] re

[1:26:06] are some other options to look

[1:26:09]

[1:26:09] at.

[1:26:09] it sounds to me like you

[1:26:10] director have actually you're

[1:26:13] uncovering quite a few options

[1:26:14]

[1:26:14] and pursuing all those.

[1:26:15] couple others have been

[1:26:16] mentioned here.

[1:26:18] surplus equipment, and I think

[1:26:20]

[1:26:20] we should see what happens in

[1:26:21] the coming months, and perhaps

[1:26:23]

[1:26:23] after a year as a nonprofit tha

[1:26:27] t

[1:26:27] puts us on equal footing with

[1:26:29] other nonprofits asking us for

[1:26:31]

[1:26:31] money and other existing fundi

[1:26:32] ng

[1:26:32] sources and then there are, and

[1:26:33]

[1:26:33] then we're considering them

[1:26:35] amongst the other competition

[1:26:36] for such good work.

[1:26:37] so it is, this is merely about

[1:26:40]

[1:26:40] the same process we are talkin

[1:26:41] g

[1:26:41] about this morning for me.

[1:26:42] thank you.

[1:26:44] >> mayor: all right, thank you

[1:26:45]

[1:26:45] commissioner book.

[1:26:46] commissioner duncan-walker.

[1:26:47] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:26:49] just a really quick question t

[1:26:50] o

[1:26:50] staff.

[1:26:50] mr. Manager, how quickly, I know

[1:26:53]

[1:26:53] we have a gpc coming up next

[1:26:55] week, but how quickly probably

[1:26:57]

[1:26:57] not at that one do you think

[1:26:59] staff might be able to come bac

[1:27:00] k

[1:27:00] with some options for a process

[1:27:03]

[1:27:03] to the commission based on wha

[1:27:04] t

[1:27:04] you've heard here today?

[1:27:09] >> can you be more specific?

[1:27:10] like what kind of process?

[1:27:11] >> so you've heard us today tal

[1:27:14] k

[1:27:14] about the, you've heard us talk

[1:27:15]

[1:27:15] about a few things.

[1:27:16] you've heard us talk about

[1:27:17] grants but you've also heard u

[1:27:18] s

[1:27:18] talk about loans.

[1:27:20] you've heard us talk about pap

[1:27:21] I

[1:27:21] and I would personally be

[1:27:23] interested in entertaining all

[1:27:24]

[1:27:24] of the options.

[1:27:25] now what I do understand about

[1:27:26]

[1:27:26] papi is there was a little bit

[1:27:30]

[1:27:30] of 3ugsback -- pushback by sta

[1:27:34] ff

[1:27:34] of altering that because there

[1:27:35]

[1:27:35] are already major institutions

[1:27:37]

[1:27:37] getting money out of the pot

[1:27:38] that max out with that grant

[1:27:39] which is why we -- none of us

[1:27:41] are the professionals up here

[1:27:43] that understand of the financing

[1:27:45]

[1:27:45] behind that, et cetera,

[1:27:46] et cetera, so I'm curious if

[1:27:48] based on everything you've heard

[1:27:50]

[1:27:50] us say here today from loans t

[1:27:53] o

[1:27:53] grants and to specifically the

[1:27:55] p

[1:27:57] api grant so we can be reminded

[1:27:59]

[1:27:59] or informed about what the

[1:28:00] restrictions are or what our

[1:28:03] options are if we did decide we

[1:28:05]

[1:28:05] wanted tosee staff kind of

[1:28:08] revisit and reformat that.

[1:28:09] those options and anymore that

[1:28:11]

[1:28:11] staff could come back with, how

[1:28:14]

[1:28:14] quickly do you think we could

[1:28:15] have that conversation or an

[1:28:16] agenda item?

[1:28:17] >> so I guess couple things.

[1:28:21] for the papi grants, those are

[1:28:26]

[1:28:26] grants but they're essentially

[1:28:27]

[1:28:27] sort of more baked into your

[1:28:28] budget.

[1:28:28] there is less of a competitive

[1:28:31]

[1:28:31] process that goes into it.

[1:28:34] and my understanding is the

[1:28:38] issue that we discussed last

[1:28:40] time was that there are for art

[1:28:44] s

[1:28:44] producing organizations not art

[1:28:46] s

[1:28:46] presenting.

[1:28:46] so there is, so in one sense

[1:28:51] it's very easy because we can

[1:28:53] just change that to include art

[1:28:55] s

[1:28:55] presenting organizations as

[1:28:57] eligible as well, but then the

[1:28:59] re

[1:28:59] is the money piece and the

[1:29:01] existing organizations that are

[1:29:03]

[1:29:03] already funded, and I think we

[1:29:05]

[1:29:05] would, what we had talked about

[1:29:06]

[1:29:06] last time was potentially if

[1:29:07] that was direction from the

[1:29:08] commission, we would bring tha

[1:29:10] t

[1:29:10] any recommendations back throu

[1:29:13] gh

[1:29:13] your budget process this year.

[1:29:15]

[1:29:15] there is also the outside agenc

[1:29:18] y

[1:29:18] grant which is more competitive

[1:29:20] ,

[1:29:20] and it has like a larger

[1:29:21] diversity of nonprofits that

[1:29:25] apply.

[1:29:25] of which I believe heartwood I

[1:29:27] s

[1:29:27] eligible for but that's a

[1:29:28] smaller pot of money than papi.

[1:29:31]

[1:29:31] similarly, I think that would b

[1:29:39] e

[1:29:39] something less of a programmati

[1:29:42] c

[1:29:42] change and more of a discussio

[1:29:43] n

[1:29:43] that you would all probably wan

[1:29:45] t

[1:29:45] to have around the actual total

[1:29:50]

[1:29:50] amount.

[1:29:50] I think commissioner willits y

[1:29:52] ou

[1:29:52] brought up last time that both

[1:29:53]

[1:29:53] of those funding sources have

[1:29:54] not been increased in a long

[1:29:55] time, so I'm not sure it's

[1:29:59] like -- we can come back for

[1:30:02] options for programmatic chang

[1:30:04] es

[1:30:04] that are relatively short but I

[1:30:05]

[1:30:05] don't think that gets to the

[1:30:06] commission's point about if yo

[1:30:07] u

[1:30:07] all want to make room for a

[1:30:09] fourth organization to fund,

[1:30:12] that's going to be a budget

[1:30:13] discussion through your budget

[1:30:14]

[1:30:14] process.

[1:30:14] I'm not worried about staff

[1:30:19] being able to come up with

[1:30:22] something in that sense, but I

[1:30:24]

[1:30:24] don't want it to be a situation

[1:30:25]

[1:30:25] where we rush staff forward and

[1:30:27]

[1:30:27] we're still in the middle of

[1:30:28] this existing budget, in the

[1:30:29] middle of your budget process.

[1:30:30]

[1:30:30] I would want to wrap that up

[1:30:32] with the discussion of

[1:30:33] everything else that we're going

[1:30:34]

[1:30:34] to talk about with budget

[1:30:36] process this year.

[1:30:37] but we can certainly I think

[1:30:40] come back with some programmati

[1:30:43] c

[1:30:43] recommendations through that

[1:30:46] budget process and make sure

[1:30:47] that that, if that's the

[1:30:49] direction of the commission,

[1:30:50] that could be something that w

[1:30:52] e

[1:30:52] discuss during when parks comes

[1:30:53]

[1:30:53] and presents the budget or I

[1:30:54] think those are maybe a

[1:30:56] nondepartmental right now so w

[1:30:57] e

[1:30:57] can have

[1:30:57] >> thank you.

[1:31:06] >> thank you.

[1:31:07] >> mayor: that leaves us at

[1:31:08] zero.

[1:31:08] I don't make motions as chair.

[1:31:12]

[1:31:12] I would think what we would --

[1:31:21] I

[1:31:21] think what we would probably

[1:31:26] like is for the manager's offic

[1:31:27] e

[1:31:27] to come back to us with an ide

[1:31:30] a

[1:31:30] of what a loan might look like

[1:31:33]

[1:31:33] and what a grant might look

[1:31:34] like, and how that would be

[1:31:41] possible and if nobody wants t

[1:31:42] o

[1:31:43] make that motion, that means we

[1:31:44]

[1:31:44] don't want to do this, and

[1:31:45] that's okay as well.

[1:31:46] commissioner willits?

[1:31:48] >> I think I'm getting closer t

[1:31:50] o

[1:31:50] a motion.

[1:31:50] I know delay is not great, but

[1:31:57]

[1:32:00] we do have -- the potential

[1:32:08] option to advance was for city

[1:32:10]

[1:32:10] funds and audit rights.

[1:32:11] that's where I'm leaning right

[1:32:14]

[1:32:14] now with 55,000.

[1:32:15] with some sort of option for -

[1:32:17] -

[1:32:18] I'm sure you'll open to lots o

[1:32:20] f

[1:32:20] public things when a nonprofit

[1:32:21]

[1:32:21] is hosting this, that or the

[1:32:22] other.

[1:32:22] some sort of build in about

[1:32:29] public access.

[1:32:30] the grant suggests the public

[1:32:32]

[1:32:32] has to be involved somehow,

[1:32:34] there has to be an option.

[1:32:34] some sort of -- I don't know

[1:32:43] what city staff would envision

[1:32:44] ,s

[1:32:44] maybe between now and next week

[1:32:46] ,

[1:32:46] come up with -- yeah, we do hav

[1:32:50] e

[1:32:50] a need for a location.

[1:32:53] we're going to record somethin

[1:32:55] g.

[1:32:55] commissioner eastman plays

[1:32:59] guitar?

[1:32:59] banjo, maybe he's going to hav

[1:33:02] e

[1:33:03] a city commission band who wan

[1:33:05] ts

[1:33:05] to.

[1:33:05] I say that as a joke, but if

[1:33:07] there's something we could be

[1:33:09]

[1:33:09] useful for us, it could be

[1:33:11] slotted in, public access,

[1:33:12] benefiting the city directly o

[1:33:15] r

[1:33:15] just the public.

[1:33:16] I'm leaning toward that secon

[1:33:18] option to bring it back next

[1:33:21] week.

[1:33:21] which I know is a further dela

[1:33:23] y, none wants thear.

[1:33:24] none wants thear.

[1:33:24] my motion is that we look at t

[1:33:30] he

[1:33:30] next gpc, staff brings back the

[1:33:32]

[1:33:33] option of an advanced grant wit

[1:33:35] h

[1:33:35] required backup documentation,

[1:33:38]

[1:33:38] with specific funds and

[1:33:43] public -- some sort of

[1:33:45] expectation of public access

[1:33:47] events for a time period or in

[1:33:49] a

[1:33:49] time period for the full

[1:33:51] $55,000.

[1:33:51] >> mayor: how about the 23rd

[1:33:57] instead of next week.

[1:33:58] >> let's do the 23rd.

[1:34:05] >> second.

[1:34:12] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:34:13] >> I did want to hear.

[1:34:16] I was going to -- I thought we

[1:34:18]

[1:34:18] needed to make a call on it, I

[1:34:20]

[1:34:20] would be curious what the city

[1:34:22]

[1:34:22] manager had to say.

[1:34:23] from my understanding of this

[1:34:25]

[1:34:25] conversation, I don't think

[1:34:26] staff thought this was a

[1:34:28] complicated thing that it neede

[1:34:30] d

[1:34:30] to be written, prewritten, we

[1:34:33]

[1:34:33] could have that direction here

[1:34:35]

[1:34:35] today.

[1:34:35] you have your light on, is that

[1:34:36]

[1:34:36] right?

[1:34:36] >> yeah.

[1:34:38] >> I think commissioner willits

[1:34:47]

[1:34:47] motion is clear.

[1:34:48] we can take that, what I would

[1:34:50]

[1:34:50] say in terms of the public

[1:35:01] facing, if it's open to the

[1:35:03] public, that's something that

[1:35:05]

[1:35:05] hartwood is amenable to.

[1:35:07] that gives us action, we make

[1:35:12]

[1:35:12] that session here today.

[1:35:12] I don't think we need to bring

[1:35:14]

[1:35:14] it back, the only complicated

[1:35:16]

[1:35:16] factor would be if there was -

[1:35:19] -

[1:35:20] if there was a desire to walk

[1:35:23]

[1:35:23] down the loan front.

[1:35:24] then we would need to come up

[1:35:27]

[1:35:27] with repayment terms, et cetera

[1:35:28] ,

[1:35:28] et cetera.

[1:35:29] if the commission wants to do

[1:35:32]

[1:35:32] the advance grant with those

[1:35:35] stipulations, and the discussio

[1:35:36] n

[1:35:36] that we had about making sure

[1:35:40]

[1:35:40] that it is for eligible

[1:35:42] expenses, on going eligible

[1:35:46] expenses, not past debt, I thi

[1:35:48] nk

[1:35:48] it's -- our preference would

[1:35:51] probably be, as miss carnes

[1:35:53] indicated, some of the equipment

[1:35:55]

[1:35:55] costs because those are long

[1:35:57] term capital investment that I

[1:35:59]

[1:36:00] think would have benefit beyon

[1:36:03] d

[1:36:04] just necessarily paying for

[1:36:06] staffing or salaries or things

[1:36:08]

[1:36:08] like that, that would be our

[1:36:18]

[1:36:18] if that's the will of the

[1:36:21] commission, we could decide tha

[1:36:23] t

[1:36:23] today and give staff enough to

[1:36:24]

[1:36:24] move forward.

[1:36:25] >> to me, it's important that I

[1:36:28] t

[1:36:28] have -- it doesn't feel right

[1:36:33]

[1:36:33] paying for equipment.

[1:36:33] it's for a multiprivate

[1:36:36] organization.

[1:36:36] I think structuring -- whether

[1:36:38]

[1:36:38] it's a grant or forgivable loan

[1:36:41]

[1:36:41] that is based on a certain

[1:36:43] number of events that get done

[1:36:45]

[1:36:45] over the course of time.

[1:36:45] 15 years seems like a bit.

[1:36:50] a three-year forgivable loan

[1:36:53] that were open to the public,

[1:36:54]

[1:36:54] which I think are pretty much I

[1:36:55] n

[1:36:55] there, I'm happy to defer that

[1:36:57]

[1:36:58] to staff to kick that over, wha

[1:36:59] t

[1:36:59] the community expects and what

[1:37:01]

[1:37:01] the city already does, we have

[1:37:02]

[1:37:03] events that are open to the

[1:37:04] public that people can come to

[1:37:06] .

[1:37:06] we -- that is a part of what w

[1:37:08] e

[1:37:08] do as a community.

[1:37:09] this is an extension of that t

[1:37:12] o

[1:37:12] an organization that does that

[1:37:14]

[1:37:14] very well.

[1:37:15] I guess I'm comfortable with

[1:37:17] what you have.

[1:37:18] I think that gets in the same

[1:37:19]

[1:37:19] direction.

[1:37:19] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:37:23] commissioner eastman.

[1:37:23] I like the idea of a three-year

[1:37:25]

[1:37:28] forgivable loan.

[1:37:29] as opposed to straight out.

[1:37:29] >> my original.

[1:37:32] >> mayor: commissioner duncan

[1:37:35]

[1:37:35] walker?

[1:37:35] >> I was going to ask if the

[1:37:38] maker of the motion would be

[1:37:39] willing to add that to the

[1:37:41] motion?

[1:37:41] >> my preference is, it is

[1:37:44] forgivable.

[1:37:44] we give the money now.

[1:37:45] >> to have staff to bring back

[1:37:48]

[1:37:48] loan options so we can see.

[1:37:49] >> I side more with commissione

[1:37:52] r

[1:37:52] eastman, let's get this done

[1:37:54] right now.

[1:37:55] if it didn't need to come back

[1:37:57] ,

[1:37:57] the motion was clear enough, I

[1:37:58]

[1:37:59] would prefer today.

[1:38:00] in my heart of hearts, I like

[1:38:02]

[1:38:02] the had idea of a forgivable

[1:38:04] loan.

[1:38:04] we get some documentation at

[1:38:06] some point and we see some -- I

[1:38:08] f

[1:38:08] it's four events a year, you

[1:38:12] know, then they say yeah, we d

[1:38:13] id

[1:38:13] this, it was great, it was fun,

[1:38:16]

[1:38:16] at the end, it's a forgivable

[1:38:19]

[1:38:19] loan.

[1:38:19] a forgivable loan is less of ou

[1:38:22] r

[1:38:22] knowledge base, that's why I

[1:38:24] lean more toward getting

[1:38:26] something done today.

[1:38:26] just to be clear, you know what,

[1:38:29]

[1:38:29] I withdraw my motion and we wi

[1:38:31] ll

[1:38:31] start a new motion.

[1:38:32] this is literally how the

[1:38:34] sausage is made.

[1:38:35] >> that is why I said that, I

[1:38:43]

[1:38:43] like something the mayor

[1:38:44] brought up, it would take us I

[1:38:46] n

[1:38:46] a different direction in terms

[1:38:47]

[1:38:47] of giving us the ability to be

[1:38:49]

[1:38:49] able to regenerate the pot of

[1:38:53]

[1:38:53] money.

[1:38:53] so a loan, whatever the options

[1:38:56] are

[1:38:56] are from all of us.

[1:39:02] we're still able to provide a

[1:39:04]

[1:39:04] service, now we don't have the

[1:39:06]

[1:39:06] responsibility of, here we hav

[1:39:07] e

[1:39:07] to carve this out in the budget

[1:39:09] .

[1:39:09] I think that's very important

[1:39:10]

[1:39:10] for us, it's part of our

[1:39:14] responsibility for the people

[1:39:16]

[1:39:16] who expect us to be able to

[1:39:19] support the arts, but also in

[1:39:21]

[1:39:21] these lean times, do it as

[1:39:24] fiscally responsible as we can

[1:39:25] .

[1:39:25] >> we can make the motion.

[1:39:28] >> I can definitely make the

[1:39:31] motion.

[1:39:31] let's see.

[1:39:33] I move that staff come back wit

[1:39:41] h

[1:39:41] options for a loan program tha

[1:39:44] t

[1:39:44] will support arts organization

[1:39:46] s,

[1:39:46] not currently served.

[1:39:49] and I guess I could put the

[1:39:52] period there.

[1:39:52] does that cover what we need?

[1:39:53] >> second.

[1:39:53] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[1:39:57] a

[1:39:57] second.

[1:39:57] anything snels.

[1:39:58] >> no, I think that's it.

[1:40:00] >> mayor: commissioner eastman?

[1:40:01]

[1:40:01] >> that's fine, we can move on

[1:40:03]

[1:40:03] the current motion.

[1:40:06] >> mayor: okay.

[1:40:07] we need to ask for public

[1:40:08] comment.

[1:40:08] we don't have any.

[1:40:10] >> I would like to see what the

[1:40:12]

[1:40:12] motion is that we're voting on.

[1:40:13]

[1:40:13] there have been several.

[1:40:15] >> mayor: it will take us a

[1:40:18] moment to get it on screen.

[1:40:19] >> broadcast, I have it up.

[1:40:22] there we go.

[1:40:24] >> mayor: do you want to put a

[1:40:33] n

[1:40:33] amount on there?

[1:40:34] >> no, I don't want to put an

[1:40:37]

[1:40:37] amount on there.

[1:40:37] I want staff to.

[1:40:43] >> mayor: do you want to put a

[1:40:44]

[1:40:45] date on there?

[1:40:45] >> can you bring it back to gp

[1:40:47] c

[1:40:48] on the 23rd?

[1:40:49] I'm trying to take a little

[1:40:51] pressure off from you.

[1:40:52] >> that's the second gpc of th

[1:40:58] e

[1:41:00] month.

[1:41:00] we can, yes.

[1:41:01] is this to serve heartwood or?

[1:41:12]

[1:41:12] I'm confused.

[1:41:16] does this need to be done for

[1:41:18]

[1:41:18] her to apply?

[1:41:18] >> well, this is great for the

[1:41:20]

[1:41:21] community, it's not actually

[1:41:22] what hartwood was requesting.

[1:41:22] we were requesting money we won

[1:41:26]

[1:41:27] the owe you to kind of -- I'm

[1:41:29]

[1:41:29] trying to avoid being back her

[1:41:31] e

[1:41:32] next year asking again.

[1:41:33] so a loan we would have to pay

[1:41:40]

[1:41:40] off doesn't fix that need.

[1:41:42] it won't be ready for us in tim

[1:41:44] e

[1:41:44] for summer.

[1:41:45] >> understood.

[1:41:45] >> I think it's a great motion

[1:41:50] .

[1:41:50] >> I think if this is the

[1:41:54] direction that the commission

[1:41:55]

[1:41:55] wants to do from a programmati

[1:41:58] c

[1:41:58] standpoint, then I think that'

[1:42:00] s

[1:42:00] a separate motion than dealing

[1:42:03]

[1:42:03] with heart wood.

[1:42:04] we can do this, we don't need

[1:42:08]

[1:42:08] necessarily, if you all want I

[1:42:09] t

[1:42:09] on the 23rd for initial

[1:42:11] discussion.

[1:42:11] I think part of the budget

[1:42:14] process, we wouldn't need to

[1:42:15] actually put some money in to

[1:42:17]

[1:42:17] the initial loan amount.

[1:42:18] and my recommendation would

[1:42:20] again be let's do that as part

[1:42:23]

[1:42:23] of the budget process.

[1:42:24] but I think if the commission

[1:42:26]

[1:42:26] wants to deal with hartwood,

[1:42:34] they're two separate things.

[1:42:35] does that make sense?

[1:42:38] >> it does.

[1:42:38] >> and again n a competitive

[1:42:45] way.

[1:42:45] >> in a competitive process,

[1:42:47] where the city is able to recou

[1:42:49] p

[1:42:49] their funds.

[1:42:50] I have no problem with that

[1:42:52] being a part of the budgetary

[1:42:54]

[1:42:54] solution.

[1:42:54] we have this one on the table.

[1:42:56]

[1:42:56] but it's not applied to

[1:43:00] heart wood.

[1:43:01] we need another one going to

[1:43:04] heart wood.

[1:43:07] >> am I taking the 23rd off?

[1:43:07] >> yes.

[1:43:08] >> thank you.

[1:43:19] >> okay. That is something

[1:43:21] that is something we can handl

[1:43:22] e

[1:43:23] during the -- should we vote

[1:43:25] affirmatively on this, that's

[1:43:26]

[1:43:26] something we can do during the

[1:43:27]

[1:43:28] budget process.

[1:43:28] we still have the question to

[1:43:31]

[1:43:31] deal with, but is there any

[1:43:32] other question about this

[1:43:36] particular motion?

[1:43:36] all in favor?

[1:43:39] any opposed?

[1:43:40] that passes unanimously, as par

[1:43:43] t

[1:43:43] of the on going process.

[1:43:45] at some number.

[1:43:45] now, that's not a definite

[1:43:48] number, and we can work that o

[1:43:49] ut

[1:43:49] as we go.

[1:43:50] I do think that has tremendous

[1:43:54]

[1:43:54] long term potential, even at a

[1:43:55]

[1:43:56] low number.

[1:43:56] I think it gets a lot of

[1:43:58] organizations over a hump,

[1:44:00] without having to put it on

[1:44:02] someone's credit card.

[1:44:02] the truth,that's what arts

[1:44:07] organizations get funded with,

[1:44:08]

[1:44:09] someone's high interest credit

[1:44:11]

[1:44:11] card.

[1:44:11] it's rarely a situation with

[1:44:14] nonprofits and particularly art

[1:44:16] s

[1:44:16] nonprofits and for profit, to

[1:44:18]

[1:44:18] make a profit.

[1:44:19] and it's harder to be stable

[1:44:22] without the community's suppor

[1:44:24] t.

[1:44:24] that still leaves us with the

[1:44:26]

[1:44:26] question we have on the agenda

[1:44:28]

[1:44:29] today.

[1:44:29] commissioner eastman?

[1:44:31] >> for the point of this, I'm

[1:44:33]

[1:44:33] happy to review it, I think

[1:44:35] there's a lot that need -- how

[1:44:37]

[1:44:37] we're going to make up our

[1:44:40] budget gap that we have, I

[1:44:41] consider this part of the

[1:44:42] overall policy process, and I'l

[1:44:44] l

[1:44:44] be curious what staff comes bac

[1:44:46] k

[1:44:46] with.

[1:44:46] I hope just to be on the up

[1:44:49] front about it, in the same vie

[1:44:52] w

[1:44:52] as the hippo drome came out for

[1:44:55]

[1:44:56] $250,000 initially?

[1:44:57] >> mayor: that's what think

[1:44:59] asked, I don't think we gave

[1:45:01] them 250.

[1:45:02] >> I think in that same spirit

[1:45:04] ,

[1:45:04] I hear what you're saying about

[1:45:06]

[1:45:06] the 55,000.

[1:45:06] I move to approve $45,000 to b

[1:45:10] e

[1:45:11] taken out of excess fund balan

[1:45:13] ce

[1:45:13] to be forgiven over three year

[1:45:15] s,

[1:45:15] contingent on continued

[1:45:17] operations, and hosting at lea

[1:45:19] st

[1:45:19] four free community accessible

[1:45:23]

[1:45:23] events per year.

[1:45:24] >> second.

[1:45:24] >> mayor: okay.

[1:45:28] we have a motion and a second.

[1:45:32]

[1:45:32] is there any conversation or

[1:45:34] misunderstanding about that.

[1:45:35] >> what we're doing right now,

[1:45:36]

[1:45:37] events downtown, about $5,000

[1:45:39]

[1:45:39] per.

[1:45:39] so events over a three-year

[1:45:42] period, it would be $60,000 for

[1:45:44]

[1:45:44] what we're currently putting o

[1:45:45] ut

[1:45:45] there.

[1:45:45] >> this is less than that.

[1:45:47] >> yeah, this is less than that

[1:45:49] .

[1:45:49] >> mayor: any questions about

[1:45:55]

[1:45:55] the current motion?

[1:45:55] all in favor, please say aye.

[1:45:56] >> aye.

[1:45:59] >> mayor: any opposed?

[1:46:00] >> nay.

[1:46:03] >> 45,000?

[1:46:05] >> yes.

[1:46:06] so you were --

[1:46:12] >> yes, I just want to make sur

[1:46:14] e

[1:46:14] we're talking about 45 instead

[1:46:15]

[1:46:16] of 55.

[1:46:16] >> yes.

[1:46:17] >> and commissioner duncan

[1:46:20] walker you were nay?

[1:46:21] >> nay.

[1:46:23] >> mayor: I'm yea.

[1:46:27] that passes 4-3, with book,

[1:46:30] chestnut and duncan walker in

[1:46:32]

[1:46:32] dissent.

[1:46:32] is that accurate?

[1:46:33] >> correct.

[1:46:33] >> mayor: all right.

[1:46:37] there you go.

[1:46:38] >> I want to thank you all for

[1:46:41]

[1:46:41] taking the time to discuss thi

[1:46:43] s

[1:46:43] in multiple meetings.

[1:46:45] we're thankful for your su

[1:46:48] heart wood and the arts.

[1:46:51] mr. Manager and mr. Attorneys

[1:47:00]

[1:47:00] [ inaudible ]

[1:47:00] >> mayor: madam clerk.

[1:47:03] >> madam mayor, 2026-226,

[1:47:07] northeast 8th avenue corridor

[1:47:08]

[1:47:08] improvements.

[1:47:08] the city commission authorize

[1:47:12]

[1:47:12] the city manager to proceed wit

[1:47:14] h

[1:47:14] the redesign of northeast 8th

[1:47:17]

[1:47:17] avenue from waldo road to loft

[1:47:22] en

[1:47:22] high school.

[1:47:24] return to the city commission

[1:47:26]

[1:47:26] with a construction agreement

[1:47:28]

[1:47:28] with the northeast 8th avenue.

[1:47:36]

[1:47:36] >> mayor: welcome back.

[1:47:36] >> we have a presentation today

[1:47:38]

[1:47:39] to show you some proposed

[1:47:42] concept you'll concepts of the

[1:47:43]

[1:47:44] northeast 8th avenue corridor

[1:47:47]

[1:47:47] improvements.

[1:47:47] this presentation is going to

[1:47:49]

[1:47:49] provide some options, and then

[1:47:50]

[1:47:50] what our recommendations are

[1:47:54] currently.

[1:47:54] the portion of the road -- I'm

[1:47:59]

[1:47:59] sorry, there's two parts.

[1:48:07] dr. Chase and I will be

[1:48:10] presenting on the portion of th

[1:48:11] e

[1:48:11] road that we are designing.

[1:48:13] ultimately, we're just looking

[1:48:15]

[1:48:15] for some recommendations for

[1:48:17] approval to move forward with

[1:48:18]

[1:48:18] some recommendations that we

[1:48:22] have.

[1:48:22] >> mayor: good.

[1:48:28] >> good afternoon, mona konach

[1:48:32] et

[1:48:32] with nb5.

[1:48:35] I'm going to go through what

[1:48:41] informed our options and design

[1:48:42]

[1:48:43] decisions.

[1:48:43] for the corridor.

[1:48:44] we'll talk about public

[1:48:46] involvement, how we got citizen

[1:48:47] s

[1:48:47] involveds in neighborhood

[1:48:50] residents.

[1:48:50] I'll go through a general

[1:48:52] project overview, where we are,

[1:48:53]

[1:48:53] what we're doing, go through t

[1:48:54] he

[1:48:54] existing conditions.

[1:48:56] some data, traffic and

[1:48:58] transportation data.

[1:48:58] the options we came up with, a

[1:49:00] nd

[1:49:00] then our recommendations.

[1:49:06] so that's the title.

[1:49:08] last year on the 29th of may.

[1:49:11] we held a public workshop.

[1:49:14] this was an opportunity for us

[1:49:16]

[1:49:16] to present not only the citizens

[1:49:19]

[1:49:19] field revitalization plan for

[1:49:21]

[1:49:21] the site, but as well as our

[1:49:23] street scapes plan.

[1:49:24] we had about 60 attendees, and

[1:49:27]

[1:49:28] we set up stations so that

[1:49:29] residents could come and speak

[1:49:30]

[1:49:30] with us, ask us questions and

[1:49:32]

[1:49:32] tell us their concerns or thing

[1:49:33] s

[1:49:33] they want to see in their

[1:49:37] neighborhood.

[1:49:37] some feedback we got on that,

[1:49:40]

[1:49:40] definitely speed was an issue

[1:49:41]

[1:49:41] through some segments of eight

[1:49:43] h

[1:49:44] avenue.

[1:49:44] they wanted bike lanes with the

[1:49:47]

[1:49:47] green pavement markings, some

[1:49:50]

[1:49:50] enhanced pedestrians crossings,

[1:49:51]

[1:49:52] whether that's the raised

[1:49:54] intersections and spied humps o

[1:49:56] r

[1:49:56] flashing beacons and fluorescent

[1:49:59]

[1:49:59] signage.

[1:49:59] some landscape medians,

[1:50:02] especially west of waldo.

[1:50:04] some had concerns with the

[1:50:06] median openings along eighth

[1:50:08] avenue.

[1:50:08] and we also requested -- spoke

[1:50:11]

[1:50:11] about a pedestrians bridge ove

[1:50:14] r

[1:50:16] waldo road.

[1:50:16] >> good afternoon, chase knigh

[1:50:18] t

[1:50:19] city engineer, based on their

[1:50:22]

[1:50:22] review and analysis of the

[1:50:24] corridor, like lana said, and

[1:50:27]

[1:50:27] incorporating some of the

[1:50:29] feedback they just spoke about,

[1:50:30]

[1:50:30] they came up with options and

[1:50:33]

[1:50:33] recommendations, staff

[1:50:35] subsequently took those

[1:50:37] recommended options to provide

[1:50:39]

[1:50:44] information and feedback to the

[1:50:46]

[1:50:46] community.

[1:50:46] I do apologize, there's a typo

[1:50:48]

[1:50:49] on the date for the last one, I

[1:50:51] s

[1:50:51] 2026.

[1:50:51] so I'll circle back later on I

[1:50:55] n

[1:50:55] the presentation, after you've

[1:50:56]

[1:50:56] had a chance to see those

[1:50:58] recommendations and summarize

[1:50:59]

[1:50:59] what the feedback was at these

[1:51:00]

[1:51:00] events.

[1:51:00] >> so project overview, where w

[1:51:08] e

[1:51:08] are, what we're doing.

[1:51:11] so part of our citizens field

[1:51:14]

[1:51:14] site plan, we were tasked with

[1:51:15]

[1:51:17] reviewing the street scapes

[1:51:18] along eighth avenue and waldo

[1:51:20]

[1:51:20] road.

[1:51:20] our approach to this was using

[1:51:22]

[1:51:23] something called complete

[1:51:24] streets and a multimodal

[1:51:26] approach.

[1:51:26] that's a mouthful.

[1:51:27] this approach focuses on makin

[1:51:30] g

[1:51:30] drive ways -- driving and

[1:51:33] roadways safe for not only

[1:51:35] drivers, but pedestrians,

[1:51:38] cyclists, motorcyclists, and

[1:51:41] even people using public

[1:51:43] transit.

[1:51:43] some examples of street scapes,

[1:51:45]

[1:51:46] you'll see those zippers, green

[1:51:48]

[1:51:48] bike line markings, adding bik

[1:51:51] e

[1:51:51] lanes, planting trees on

[1:51:53] sidewalks for protection.

[1:51:53] and shade.

[1:51:56] you'll see flashing pedestrians

[1:51:59]

[1:52:00] signs.

[1:52:00] updating bus stops with those

[1:52:03]

[1:52:03] shelters, so people are more

[1:52:05] comfortable while they're

[1:52:06] waiting.

[1:52:06] we broke up the corridor.

[1:52:09] our focus was really eighth

[1:52:12] avenue.

[1:52:12] that will be west of waldo and

[1:52:15]

[1:52:15] east of waldo.

[1:52:16] so west of waldo, we went from

[1:52:19]

[1:52:19] the round about on 9th to waldo

[1:52:22]

[1:52:23] road.

[1:52:23] we shifted gears east of waldo,

[1:52:25]

[1:52:26] we have from waldo road to

[1:52:29] northeast 22nd street, that's

[1:52:30]

[1:52:30] where our limits stopped.

[1:52:32] and then city of gainesville

[1:52:34] staff picked up on northeast

[1:52:37] 22nd all the way to lofton hig

[1:52:39] h

[1:52:40] school.

[1:52:40] some existing conditions, what'

[1:52:42] s

[1:52:42] out there now.

[1:52:43] west of waldo, you got a curb

[1:52:47]

[1:52:47] and gutter section, have you

[1:52:49] landscape medians throughout,

[1:52:51]

[1:52:51] with nice planted trees and lef

[1:52:53] t

[1:52:53] turn lane openings, there's a 3

[1:52:55] 5

[1:52:55] mile per hour speed limit, the

[1:52:57]

[1:52:58] sidewalks are five feet on bot

[1:52:59] h

[1:52:59] sides, there are no bike lanes.

[1:53:03]

[1:53:03] east of waldo, so for a segment

[1:53:06]

[1:53:06] of it, waldo road to 22nd, hav

[1:53:09] e

[1:53:10] you a 30 mile per hour design

[1:53:11]

[1:53:11] speed, it's a little lower, you

[1:53:14]

[1:53:15] have five foot sidewalks as

[1:53:16] well, no bike lanes, you have

[1:53:19]

[1:53:19] really wide travel lanes, so

[1:53:21] it's about 34 feet of total

[1:53:23] pavement width, so 17 -- 16 1/2

[1:53:27]

[1:53:27] foot travel lanes.

[1:53:28] and then the segment that city

[1:53:30]

[1:53:31] of gainesville staff worked on

[1:53:32] ,

[1:53:32] that was northeast 22nd to

[1:53:37] lofton high school.

[1:53:38] the pavement varies, you have

[1:53:40]

[1:53:40] curb and gutter for the first

[1:53:43]

[1:53:43] segment, from 22nd street to

[1:53:45] 22nd terrace, and then you hav

[1:53:48] e

[1:53:48] those 34 feet of pavement.

[1:53:49] from 22nd terrace to 25th

[1:53:52] street, it narrows down to abo

[1:53:54] ut

[1:53:54] 23 feet of pavement.

[1:53:55] and then from 25th to lofton I

[1:53:57] t

[1:53:58] kind of widens a little bit, to

[1:53:59]

[1:53:59] a foot.

[1:53:59] also through here, 30 miles per

[1:54:03]

[1:54:03] hour, with your five foot

[1:54:06] sidewalk.

[1:54:06] I'm an engineer, I like data t

[1:54:09] o

[1:54:10] inform my design decisions.

[1:54:11] we pulled # some traffic data,

[1:54:13]

[1:54:14] looked at how many cars were o

[1:54:14] ut

[1:54:14] there.

[1:54:14] we had counts west of waldo,

[1:54:20] east of waldo, we also had som

[1:54:22] e

[1:54:23] estimated geospatial data that

[1:54:25]

[1:54:26] we worked with the traffic gro

[1:54:27] up

[1:54:27] to get those numbers, as you can

[1:54:29]

[1:54:29] see for a local road that is

[1:54:31] really truly a neighborhood.

[1:54:32] there is a lot of traffic out

[1:54:34]

[1:54:34] there, especially around

[1:54:36] citizens field which was our

[1:54:38] focus area.

[1:54:39] you've got cyclists, so again

[1:54:41]

[1:54:41] our focus area was around

[1:54:43] citizens field, you have block

[1:54:44] s

[1:54:45] right there on eighth avenue

[1:54:47] west of waldo, a lot of bikes,

[1:54:49] a

[1:54:49] lot of pedestrians going throu

[1:54:53] gh

[1:54:53] there.

[1:54:53] like I mentioned, 35 miles per

[1:54:55]

[1:54:56] hour west of waldo, 35 miles p

[1:54:59] er

[1:54:59] hour east of waldo.

[1:55:00] you can see west of waldo,

[1:55:03] people pretty go at 32.5 miles

[1:55:07]

[1:55:07] an hour, they're following the

[1:55:08]

[1:55:08] speed limit.

[1:55:08] east of waldo is where we

[1:55:11] noticed -- we start to see an

[1:55:14]

[1:55:14] uptick in speed, they're going

[1:55:15]

[1:55:15] about 38 miles per hour.

[1:55:16] and then the city of gainesvil

[1:55:19] le

[1:55:19] segment, which is 22nd to

[1:55:26] loften, it drops to 26, what

[1:55:28] people are driving out there

[1:55:29] where it narrows.

[1:55:29] my least favorite part of the

[1:55:36]

[1:55:36] data is the crash history, so w

[1:55:37] e

[1:55:37] did a five-year crash analysis.

[1:55:40]

[1:55:40] this is from january 2020 to

[1:55:44] december 24.

[1:55:45] 75 crashes, which may not seem

[1:55:48]

[1:55:48] like a lot in five years, but I

[1:55:50] t

[1:55:50] is.

[1:55:50] you're going through a local

[1:55:52] road, a neighborhood.

[1:55:53] that's about one crash a month.

[1:55:56]

[1:55:56] there were no fatalities which

[1:55:59]

[1:55:59] was great, but there were four

[1:56:00]

[1:56:00] that resulted in a serious

[1:56:02] injury, and six that included

[1:56:05]

[1:56:05] bicyclists, pedestrians or

[1:56:07] motorcycles.

[1:56:07] ultimately our goal is to make

[1:56:09]

[1:56:09] the streets safe, especially f

[1:56:11] or

[1:56:11] vulnerable users like

[1:56:13] pedestrians and cyclists.

[1:56:14] so using this data, we came up

[1:56:17]

[1:56:17] with some options.

[1:56:18] our first option here, this is

[1:56:25]

[1:56:25] going to be west of waldo road.

[1:56:27]

[1:56:27] the curb and gutter position

[1:56:30] with the medians.

[1:56:31] we're proposing maintaining the

[1:56:34]

[1:56:35] existing curbline, maybe

[1:56:36] enhancing them a little bit.

[1:56:37] but we'd like to say let's add

[1:56:41] a

[1:56:41] 10-foot shared use path on the

[1:56:44]

[1:56:44] north side of the road, and kee

[1:56:45] p

[1:56:45] the existing sidewalk on the

[1:56:47] other.

[1:56:47] this gives an option for maybe

[1:56:52]

[1:56:53] cyclists like maybe families o

[1:56:54] n

[1:56:55] bikes that don't necessarily

[1:56:56] feel comfortable riding on the

[1:56:58]

[1:56:58] road.

[1:56:58] this makes room for two-way

[1:57:01] traffic on bikes, and it reall

[1:57:02] y

[1:57:03] makes it a gateway to citizens

[1:57:05]

[1:57:05] field.

[1:57:05] total estimated cost for just

[1:57:07]

[1:57:07] the resurfacing, and restriping

[1:57:09] ,

[1:57:09] no path, came out to about

[1:57:12] $900,000.

[1:57:12] and to add the path on the nor

[1:57:14] th

[1:57:14] was an additional 800,000.

[1:57:18] option 2 for west of waldo, thi

[1:57:22] s

[1:57:22] is complete redesign of the

[1:57:24] typical section, you have your

[1:57:26]

[1:57:26] curb and gutter section, you'r

[1:57:27] e

[1:57:28] taking out those land scape

[1:57:29] medians and putting in bike

[1:57:32] lanes.

[1:57:32] you would have to reconstruct

[1:57:34]

[1:57:34] the road under the medians, you

[1:57:36]

[1:57:36] would add striping.

[1:57:37] we do like the idea of the

[1:57:39] protected bike lanes, whether

[1:57:41]

[1:57:41] that's with zippers or striping,

[1:57:42]

[1:57:42] and particularly using that

[1:57:45] green pavement marking.

[1:57:46] that bike lane would be 4 1/2

[1:57:49]

[1:57:49] feet.

[1:57:49] and we would propose that share

[1:57:52] d

[1:57:52] use path.

[1:57:53] total cost without the path

[1:57:55] would be 1.6 million.

[1:57:58] with the path with be an

[1:58:00] additional 100,000.

[1:58:01] now we're shifting gears, we're

[1:58:03]

[1:58:03] on the other side of waldo roa

[1:58:07] d

[1:58:08] now.

[1:58:08] still a curb and gutter section

[1:58:13]

[1:58:13] with the stripings.

[1:58:14] we're going to restripe it to

[1:58:17]

[1:58:17] add the protected bike lanes

[1:58:19] with the zippers and potential

[1:58:20] ly

[1:58:20] add a shared use path on the

[1:58:23] north or south side of the road

[1:58:25] .

[1:58:25] currently there's no shared use

[1:58:27]

[1:58:27] path, it's just sidewalks.

[1:58:29] so some challenges with that.

[1:58:31] right now on this portion of

[1:58:34] eighth, we have really mature,

[1:58:37]

[1:58:37] beautiful large trees on the

[1:58:38] north side of the road.

[1:58:39] and on the south side of the

[1:58:41] road, you have a lot of overhe

[1:58:43] ad

[1:58:43] utilities, so if you were to

[1:58:48] just do the path -- if you were

[1:58:49]

[1:58:49] just to do the road, resurface

[1:58:51]

[1:58:51] the road, restripe it and add

[1:58:54]

[1:58:54] the bike lanes, that would be

[1:58:56]

[1:58:56] 1.9 million.

[1:58:57] for the traffic calming, you

[1:58:59] have your raised intersections

[1:59:00]

[1:59:00] and enhanced crosswalks, that

[1:59:02]

[1:59:02] would be an additional 1.7

[1:59:04] million.

[1:59:04] if you were to take out those

[1:59:07]

[1:59:07] trees which add a lot of

[1:59:08] character to the neighborhood.

[1:59:09]

[1:59:09] add shading and protection to

[1:59:11]

[1:59:11] the sidewalk, that's going to

[1:59:12] be

[1:59:12] an additional 1.3 million.

[1:59:15] on the other side, in order to

[1:59:17]

[1:59:17] underground the utilities, add

[1:59:19]

[1:59:19] lighting and add other

[1:59:21] utilities, that would be an

[1:59:22] additional $3 million.

[1:59:23] some of these, you start to --

[1:59:25] I

[1:59:25] tried to make it modular, so w

[1:59:27] e

[1:59:27] could look at it in sections.

[1:59:31] here's option two.

[1:59:34] we would still maintain the

[1:59:37] existing curbline.

[1:59:37] we don't want to widen the road

[1:59:39] ,

[1:59:39] there's not a lot of room out

[1:59:41]

[1:59:41] there.

[1:59:41] we don't want to reconstruct

[1:59:43] things.

[1:59:43] we're trying to use what we

[1:59:46] have.

[1:59:46] here we're proposing two new

[1:59:48] landscape medians, there's onl

[1:59:50] y

[1:59:50] two locations along the projec

[1:59:51] t.

[1:59:51] I have a slide later so becan

[1:59:54]

[1:59:54] talk about the openings.

[1:59:55] there's only two locations whe

[1:59:56] re

[1:59:56] we can add some landscape

[1:59:59] medians and a center turn lane

[2:00:00] .

[2:00:00] we can add a shared use path o

[2:00:02] n

[2:00:03] the north, south or no path at

[2:00:04]

[2:00:05] all.

[2:00:05] that breakdown kind of

[2:00:07] discussing those mature trees,

[2:00:08]

[2:00:09] the utilities and how that's

[2:00:11] broken down with the additional

[2:00:11]

[2:00:11] cost

[2:00:11] so northeast 22nd.

[2:00:19] waldo to northeast 22nd, we hav

[2:00:22] e

[2:00:22] our proposed option 3.

[2:00:23] this is everything.

[2:00:24] how do we go through and add

[2:00:27] everything we can.

[2:00:28] we started with maintaining the

[2:00:32]

[2:00:33] existing sidewalks.

[2:00:33] providing two more narrow

[2:00:37] medians, it wouldn't necessarily

[2:00:39]

[2:00:39] meet that turn lane width, it

[2:00:41]

[2:00:41] would be a little more narrow.

[2:00:42]

[2:00:42] and then you have -- you would

[2:00:44]

[2:00:44] utilize the curb and gutter to

[2:00:46]

[2:00:46] get a five foot bike lane, and

[2:00:48]

[2:00:48] the travel lanes would be more

[2:00:50]

[2:00:51] narrow, 10 feet instead of 11

[2:00:52]

[2:00:52] feet, like on the other side o

[2:00:54] f

[2:00:55] waldo road.

[2:00:55] same thing here, we broke it

[2:01:00] down.

[2:01:00] without the path, that would b

[2:01:01] e

[2:01:02] 2.1 million, to add in those

[2:01:04] landscape medians, add in those

[2:01:07]

[2:01:07] raised intersections, and

[2:01:08] whether we put the path on the

[2:01:09]

[2:01:09] north or south, or whether we

[2:01:11]

[2:01:11] don't at all.

[2:01:11] so this was that breakdown I w

[2:01:14] as

[2:01:14] talking about earlier with the

[2:01:17]

[2:01:18] median openings, so when we

[2:01:20] looked at the -- all the drive

[2:01:22]

[2:01:22] way entrances and side street

[2:01:24]

[2:01:24] entrances, you can see there's

[2:01:25] a

[2:01:26] ton along that road.

[2:01:27] it's a lot of -- there's not a

[2:01:30]

[2:01:30] lot of opportunity to put in n

[2:01:32] ew

[2:01:32] medians without blocking

[2:01:35] someone's access, and our goal

[2:01:37]

[2:01:37] was to not impact any access for

[2:01:39]

[2:01:39] homes, churches, businesses,

[2:01:41] anything along this road.

[2:01:49] >> it looks like we may have a

[2:01:51]

[2:01:52] little formatting issue here.

[2:01:53] I apologize for that.

[2:01:55] these next three slides really

[2:01:59]

[2:01:59] represent one overall option

[2:02:02] broken into three mini-segment

[2:02:03] s.

[2:02:03] overall, we're looking at

[2:02:06] northeast 22nd street to the

[2:02:08] school property line or the end

[2:02:09]

[2:02:09] of the road, as I call it.

[2:02:11] so that total estimated cost I

[2:02:14] s

[2:02:14] $2.1 million, so that

[2:02:17] encompasses all three here, not

[2:02:18]

[2:02:18] each slide that we're looking

[2:02:20]

[2:02:20] at.

[2:02:20] the first portion here continu

[2:02:23] es

[2:02:23] from northeast 22nd street to

[2:02:27]

[2:02:27] 22nd terrace, where there is t

[2:02:30] he

[2:02:30] section that continues from tha

[2:02:32] t

[2:02:32] previous section.

[2:02:34] really, this one would just be

[2:02:36]

[2:02:37] matching the proposed option

[2:02:39] one, and continuing the

[2:02:41] protected bike lanes, through

[2:02:43]

[2:02:43] the end of the curb section at

[2:02:44]

[2:02:44] 22nd terrace.

[2:02:45] once we get past 22nd terrace,

[2:02:50]

[2:02:51] we move into a narrower, overal

[2:02:53] l

[2:02:53] narrower pavement with no curb

[2:02:55]

[2:02:55] and gutter.

[2:02:56] and the proposal here is to kee

[2:03:01]

[2:03:01] that pavement and add a multiu

[2:03:03] se

[2:03:03] path on the north side of the

[2:03:09]

[2:03:09] road.

[2:03:09] as we move past northeast 25th

[2:03:11]

[2:03:12] street, going toward the end o

[2:03:13] f

[2:03:13] the road, similarly, the

[2:03:18] pavement would remain in

[2:03:20] existence, and be resurfaced.

[2:03:22] and then the ten foot multiuse

[2:03:27]

[2:03:27] path would switch over to the

[2:03:29]

[2:03:29] south side of the road due to

[2:03:33]

[2:03:33] the alignment of the ditch which

[2:03:36]

[2:03:36] is part of the creek system on

[2:03:38]

[2:03:38] the north side of the roadway.

[2:03:38]

[2:03:38] >> based on all that, we have

[2:03:48]

[2:03:48] our proposed recommendations, s

[2:03:53] o

[2:03:53] we propose option 1 for west o

[2:03:55] f

[2:03:56] waldo, so this would be

[2:03:58] maintaining that existing

[2:03:59] curbline in the landscape

[2:04:01] medians, and adding a 10-foot

[2:04:04]

[2:04:04] shared use path on the north

[2:04:05] side of the road and keep the

[2:04:08]

[2:04:08] existing sidewalk on the other.

[2:04:08]

[2:04:08] this will be a total existing

[2:04:12]

[2:04:12] cost of 1.7 million.

[2:04:15] for waldo road to 27th street,

[2:04:19]

[2:04:19] we recommend maintaining

[2:04:24] existing curbline and we do not

[2:04:26]

[2:04:27] propose put youing in a shared

[2:04:29]

[2:04:29] use path because of those trees

[2:04:31]

[2:04:31] and overhead utilities.

[2:04:32] that would come to an estimated

[2:04:35]

[2:04:35] cost of 3.6 million.

[2:04:36] >> going back to the section

[2:04:40] east of 22nd street to the

[2:04:42] school to losten school, the

[2:04:45] property line, that is the sam

[2:04:48] e

[2:04:48] recommended option broken into

[2:04:50]

[2:04:50] the three sections at a total

[2:04:52]

[2:04:52] cost of 2.1 million.

[2:04:56] >> some other recommendations

[2:04:58]

[2:04:58] are some pedestrians

[2:05:00] improvements, especially at som

[2:05:02] e

[2:05:02] mid block crossings.

[2:05:04] >> mayor: commissioner duncan

[2:05:06]

[2:05:06] walker, did you want to ask now

[2:05:07]

[2:05:07] or later?

[2:05:08] >> no.

[2:05:09] >> mayor: go ahead.

[2:05:09] >> some examples of that are

[2:05:13] going to be your rectangular

[2:05:16] flashing beacons.

[2:05:18] your fluorescent crosswalksign

[2:05:20] s

[2:05:20] with flashing beacons.

[2:05:26] they flash, people stop, you can

[2:05:27]

[2:05:27] cross.

[2:05:27] we're suggesting raised median

[2:05:35] s.

[2:05:35] it provides extra safety for

[2:05:38] pedestrians, and traffic calmi

[2:05:40] ng

[2:05:40] for those people that are

[2:05:41] speeding.

[2:05:41] >> there are two designs alrea

[2:05:47] dy

[2:05:47] in progress, at northeast 11th

[2:05:49]

[2:05:51] terrace, and in between 13th a

[2:05:53] nd

[2:05:53] 14th which is right around

[2:05:56] citizens field and the fire

[2:06:00] station location.

[2:06:00] east of waldo road, we have a

[2:06:04]

[2:06:04] couple mid block crossings,

[2:06:05] which will be your rapid

[2:06:07] flashing beacons, and we have a

[2:06:08]

[2:06:09] couple raised intersections.

[2:06:10] this would be at 15th, 17th

[2:06:16] street, 19th terrace, which wil

[2:06:18] l

[2:06:18] be a raised intersection.

[2:06:19] and 22nd street, which be a

[2:06:21] raised intersection.

[2:06:21] and then two mid block

[2:06:26] crossings, which already exist

[2:06:27]

[2:06:28] would be your rapid beacons.

[2:06:31] we also coordinated with rts t

[2:06:34] o

[2:06:34] see if they were doing any

[2:06:36] improvements through here based

[2:06:37]

[2:06:37] on ridership.

[2:06:38] they are planning ada

[2:06:41] improvements at six bus stops o

[2:06:44] n

[2:06:44] eighth avenue, these costs wer

[2:06:45] e

[2:06:46] not included add part of our

[2:06:47] scope.

[2:06:47] they are also doing an

[2:06:51] improvement to the mid block

[2:06:51] crossing at waldo road.

[2:06:52] >> so we've looked at the

[2:06:59] recommended options and what

[2:07:01] this slide does is total those

[2:07:05]

[2:07:06] recommendations for the portion

[2:07:08]

[2:07:08] between waldo road and loften

[2:07:13]

[2:07:13] school.

[2:07:13] that estimate is $5.7 million,

[2:07:15]

[2:07:15] that would be the resurfacing

[2:07:17]

[2:07:17] project, plus the recommended

[2:07:20]

[2:07:20] improvements that we are

[2:07:22] proposing to move forward with

[2:07:23] .

[2:07:23] and as promised, I wanted to g

[2:07:26] o

[2:07:26] back to this slide while I

[2:07:28] discuss some of the feedback

[2:07:30] that we got on the recommended

[2:07:31]

[2:07:34] options.

[2:07:34] so first was discussion on

[2:07:36] speeding.

[2:07:36] there were neighbors present a

[2:07:38] t

[2:07:39] the meetings that didn't

[2:07:41] necessarily feel that speeding

[2:07:42]

[2:07:42] was a concern.

[2:07:42] we did reiterate the data that

[2:07:45]

[2:07:45] we have, that shows that there

[2:07:49]

[2:07:49] is an increase speed along tha

[2:07:51] t

[2:07:51] section of the roadway.

[2:07:53] there was also concern about t

[2:07:55] he

[2:07:55] installation of the raised

[2:07:59] intersection, traffic calming

[2:08:01]

[2:08:01] measures, and we did provide t

[2:08:02] he

[2:08:02] examples of -- and provide the

[2:08:05]

[2:08:06] clarification that these aren'

[2:08:07] t

[2:08:07] the speed humps, but they're

[2:08:09] raised intersections, which are

[2:08:11]

[2:08:13] more gentle than what you

[2:08:15] experienced driving over a spe

[2:08:16] ed

[2:08:16] bump or a speed hump.

[2:08:18] the second discussion was

[2:08:23] surrounding the bike lanes.

[2:08:24] there were neighbors concerned

[2:08:25]

[2:08:25] about the installation of

[2:08:28] zippers, and staff did express

[2:08:31]

[2:08:32] that during the design phase.

[2:08:33] if we do more forward with the

[2:08:36]

[2:08:36] zippers, the placement of the

[2:08:40]

[2:08:40] zippers would be thoroughly

[2:08:43] thought out in consideration o

[2:08:44] f

[2:08:44] drive ways and access points.

[2:08:45] and turning radius.

[2:08:49] third there was a discussion o

[2:08:55] n

[2:08:55] trees.

[2:08:55] there were neighbors concerned

[2:08:58]

[2:08:59] about trees causing damage to

[2:09:00]

[2:09:00] the roadway, and falling

[2:09:03] branches, and we did express

[2:09:04] that would be a consideration

[2:09:07]

[2:09:07] during the design phase.

[2:09:08] we could evaluate trees and see

[2:09:10]

[2:09:10] if any of that would need to be

[2:09:12]

[2:09:13] removed, and potentially

[2:09:13] replanted.

[2:09:13] and then there were drainage

[2:09:18] concerns in some specific area

[2:09:19] s,

[2:09:19] and again those are items that

[2:09:21]

[2:09:21] we would definitely be able to

[2:09:23]

[2:09:24] review during the design phase

[2:09:25]

[2:09:25] and look at ways to mitigate

[2:09:27] those concerns.

[2:09:27] >> I just want to add a few mor

[2:09:40] e

[2:09:40] things.

[2:09:40] there were some concerns about

[2:09:42]

[2:09:43] the usage of the road through

[2:09:46]

[2:09:46] the corridor and in are a lot o

[2:09:48] f

[2:09:48] churches along that stretch of

[2:09:49]

[2:09:49] road, that utilize the roadway

[2:09:51]

[2:09:51] for funerals, church events,

[2:09:54] things like that, that was one

[2:09:55]

[2:09:56] of the asks from the community.

[2:09:57]

[2:09:57] I know we're going to set up a

[2:09:59]

[2:09:59] second meeting with a couple o

[2:10:01] f

[2:10:01] the different pastors to talk

[2:10:03]

[2:10:03] about how they generally have

[2:10:05]

[2:10:05] events, and where people park,

[2:10:06]

[2:10:07] because with cycle lanes, you

[2:10:09]

[2:10:09] know, obviously there may be

[2:10:11] somewhat of a, do we need to

[2:10:14] move people off on to a path o

[2:10:18] r

[2:10:18] sidewalk.

[2:10:18] we're going to be paying

[2:10:20] particular attention to and

[2:10:22] visiting some of the usages of

[2:10:23]

[2:10:23] the road.

[2:10:24] we do have some more meetings

[2:10:27]

[2:10:27] that we have promised to set u

[2:10:30] p

[2:10:30] to get with folks about what

[2:10:34] they see, because as chase

[2:10:35] mentioned, there's a differenc

[2:10:37] e

[2:10:37] of opinion on speeding.

[2:10:38] there were some drainage

[2:10:41] concerns that we can address,

[2:10:42]

[2:10:42] based on what I saw with my

[2:10:44] initial assessment.

[2:10:46] and just overall usages, bike

[2:10:49]

[2:10:49] pass.

[2:10:49] the general consensus on the

[2:10:52] bike pass.

[2:10:52] a lot of folks weren't sure if

[2:10:55]

[2:10:55] folks would use a cycle lane, I

[2:10:57] f

[2:10:57] you don't have one, there's not

[2:10:59]

[2:10:59] an opportunity for that, there

[2:11:00] 's

[2:11:00] only the sidewalk, the zippers

[2:11:02]

[2:11:02] were the big concern.

[2:11:03] that was a big note for them.

[2:11:06] a big note for a lot of folks.

[2:11:08]

[2:11:08] I think there's -- there's no

[2:11:12]

[2:11:12] design that's been done.

[2:11:13] there's no survey, we just nee

[2:11:16] d

[2:11:16] the general direction of, we're

[2:11:17]

[2:11:18] resurfacing the road with the

[2:11:19]

[2:11:19] comp plan and edcm engineering

[2:11:23]

[2:11:23] design and construction manual

[2:11:25] ,

[2:11:25] we are required to consider

[2:11:27] multimodal facilities, that's

[2:11:29]

[2:11:29] prt of our overall requirement,

[2:11:30]

[2:11:30] which is one of the reasons why

[2:11:31]

[2:11:31] you're seeing the bike lanes

[2:11:32] proposed.

[2:11:32] the last thing I wanteto

[2:11:42] mention was, there are medians

[2:11:42]

[2:11:42] on the west side of waldo, and

[2:11:43]

[2:11:43] that was at that community's

[2:11:47] request.

[2:11:47] I think I may have covered all

[2:11:49]

[2:11:49] that.

[2:11:49] and you guys can move on to th

[2:11:50] e

[2:11:50] next slide.

[2:11:51] >> so the recommendation at han

[2:12:03] d

[2:12:03] is the city commission

[2:12:05] authorized the city manager to

[2:12:07]

[2:12:07] proceed with the design and

[2:12:09] permitting of the northeast

[2:12:11] eighth avenue project from wal

[2:12:13] do

[2:12:13] road to the western property

[2:12:16] line of loften high school, and

[2:12:18]

[2:12:19] return to the city commission

[2:12:20]

[2:12:20] with a construction agreement

[2:12:21]

[2:12:21] for the northeast eighth avenu

[2:12:26] e

[2:12:26] construction project to the

[2:12:27] property line of the loften hig

[2:12:28] h

[2:12:28] school.

[2:12:28] >> mayor: okay.

[2:12:30] thank you.

[2:12:31] commissioner duncan walker.

[2:12:34] >> thank you, mr. Mayor, and

[2:12:36] thank you, staff for that

[2:12:37] presentation.

[2:12:37] I have a couple questions to

[2:12:42] begin with.

[2:12:42] I'll be very forthcoming in

[2:12:45] saying I'm interested in hearing

[2:12:46]

[2:12:46] what the community members who

[2:12:47]

[2:12:48] have shown up here today have t

[2:12:50] o

[2:12:50] say.

[2:12:50] because what has become clear

[2:12:52]

[2:12:52] is, they have not had an

[2:12:54] opportunity to weigh-in on his.

[2:12:55]

[2:12:55] my first question is, what types

[2:12:57]

[2:12:57] of notices did you all send ou

[2:12:59] t

[2:12:59] to the community?

[2:12:59] >> for the public workshop?

[2:13:07] >> any types of notices that

[2:13:09] would have let anyone who's

[2:13:11] impacted by this project know

[2:13:13]

[2:13:13] what you're proposing.

[2:13:13] >> I can't speak for the may

[2:13:18] 2025 one, but in terms of the

[2:13:20]

[2:13:20] most recent event, so we first

[2:13:23]

[2:13:23] heard about some concerns with

[2:13:25]

[2:13:25] northeast eighth back in

[2:13:26] december at one of our greater

[2:13:28]

[2:13:28] duvall meetings, public works

[2:13:30]

[2:13:30] does participate in a monthly

[2:13:33]

[2:13:33] meeting on the second monday o

[2:13:34] f

[2:13:35] every month from 12:00 to 1:00

[2:13:37] ,

[2:13:37] it's just a free come and go,

[2:13:39]

[2:13:39] and we chat with whoever's

[2:13:41] there, and find out what their

[2:13:42]

[2:13:43] concerns are.

[2:13:43] there's also a greater duvall

[2:13:46]

[2:13:46] neighborhood association meeti

[2:13:47] ng

[2:13:47] on the 3rd monday night of eve

[2:13:49] ry

[2:13:49] month and we participate in

[2:13:53] that.

[2:13:53] we had been talking with all

[2:13:54] those folks who attended.

[2:13:56] we were going to have a

[2:13:57] particular meeting, and that w

[2:14:01] as

[2:14:01] three mondays ago -- maybe thr

[2:14:04] ee

[2:14:04] mondays ago.

[2:14:04] we went ahead -- and had a

[2:14:10] meeting on march 25th.

[2:14:11] we did not send out flyers or

[2:14:14]

[2:14:14] anything like that we sent out

[2:14:15]

[2:14:16] emails tough the greater

[2:14:20] duvall exchange.

[2:14:20] we have more work to do with

[2:14:23] communication and meeting with

[2:14:23]

[2:14:23] people, and a lot of it has bee

[2:14:25] n

[2:14:25] word of mouth.

[2:14:26] >> so let me -- in the interest

[2:14:28]

[2:14:28] of saving a little bit of time

[2:14:31]

[2:14:31] and being very forthright.

[2:14:33] I did share this with you, tha

[2:14:35] t

[2:14:36] is a hot button issue and a

[2:14:38] problem for me.

[2:14:39] right now, one of the reasons

[2:14:41]

[2:14:41] that this room is full of peopl

[2:14:43] e

[2:14:43] from east gainesville, and I

[2:14:46] believe a few are also

[2:14:47] downstairs, is because they

[2:14:49] received no notification.

[2:14:50] I'm looking at at least four

[2:14:53] people that live directly on

[2:14:55] northeast 8th avenue west of

[2:14:56] waldo road, who received no

[2:14:59] notification.

[2:14:59] I know the duncans received no

[2:15:02]

[2:15:03] notification, I know my next

[2:15:05] door neighbor received no

[2:15:06] notification.

[2:15:06] you hear from this commission

[2:15:09]

[2:15:09] just about every commission

[2:15:10] meeting now, when we have these

[2:15:12]

[2:15:12] major projects, that

[2:15:14] notification is something that

[2:15:17] the communi

[2:15:18] the community expects, and

[2:15:19] something that we expect.

[2:15:20] I'm not prepared to make any

[2:15:24] kind of decision today on those

[2:15:25]

[2:15:25] grounds alone.

[2:15:26] at the end of the day, we've n

[2:15:29] ot

[2:15:29] had the opportunity to engage

[2:15:32]

[2:15:32] with the people in the way tha

[2:15:33] t

[2:15:34] we have said we are going to.

[2:15:37] and frankly, we can take a loo

[2:15:39] k

[2:15:39] at what a lot of people have

[2:15:41] serious issues with on northwest

[2:15:45]

[2:15:45] eighth avenue, and see why the

[2:15:46] re

[2:15:46] are a lot of concerns.

[2:15:47] I call it the 3c's, what

[2:15:51] happened with northwest 8th

[2:15:53] avenue, that's brought about

[2:15:54] contention, confusion and

[2:15:58] congestion.

[2:15:58] and the individuals on the

[2:16:02] eastside of waldo road and

[2:16:03] probably a little bit before

[2:16:04] that, but certainly, I've had a

[2:16:06]

[2:16:06] chance to hear from the

[2:16:08] individuals on the eastside of

[2:16:09]

[2:16:10] waldo road who do not want to

[2:16:11]

[2:16:11] see that happen, but you have

[2:16:13]

[2:16:13] not engaged with them.

[2:16:14] so you cannot properly provide

[2:16:17]

[2:16:17] this commission with any type o

[2:16:19] f

[2:16:19] information regarding that.

[2:16:19] I understand there were some

[2:16:21] meetings that were convened, I

[2:16:23] 'm

[2:16:23] glad you went to them.

[2:16:24] but a lot of the people in thi

[2:16:27] s

[2:16:27] room, don't go to those

[2:16:28] meetings.

[2:16:28] there are people in this room

[2:16:30]

[2:16:30] who didn't receive the emails.

[2:16:33]

[2:16:33] so I am suggesting that until a

[2:16:35]

[2:16:36] much more robust community

[2:16:40] engagement experience is had,

[2:16:41] this commission is not in

[2:16:43] anyway prepared to have this

[2:16:47] discussion.

[2:16:47] I have engaged with a number o

[2:16:50] f

[2:16:50] people who are using multimodal

[2:16:52]

[2:16:53] transport.

[2:16:53] some of them want bike lanes,

[2:16:56]

[2:16:56] and some of them don't for a

[2:16:57] number of reasons.

[2:16:58] but you won't know that unless

[2:17:02]

[2:17:03] the table is prepared for them

[2:17:04]

[2:17:04] to come sit with us, and have

[2:17:05]

[2:17:05] that conversation.

[2:17:05] I'm going to conclude for now,

[2:17:13]

[2:17:14] because I'm very interested in

[2:17:15]

[2:17:15] hearing what the people who cam

[2:17:16] e

[2:17:16] to speak to this issue have to

[2:17:18]

[2:17:18] say.

[2:17:18] I want to hear what my

[2:17:21] colleagues have to say.

[2:17:22] but I'm a little more intereste

[2:17:24] d

[2:17:24] in hearing from them today,

[2:17:26] because they've been cheated o

[2:17:29] ut

[2:17:29] of an opportunity to speak.

[2:17:31] I'm not interests in a decision,

[2:17:34]

[2:17:34] I'm interested in a conversatio

[2:17:36] n

[2:17:36] today that will lead to the

[2:17:40] broader discussion that is rea

[2:17:42] l

[2:17:42] community engagement, and

[2:17:45] frankly that I'll probably put

[2:17:47]

[2:17:47] out there, it will probably be

[2:17:49] a

[2:17:49] meeting that I'll convene.

[2:17:50] I'm going to stop talking, mr.

[2:17:52]

[2:17:53] mayor, for now.

[2:17:54] I'm happy to hear from my

[2:17:56] colleagues, and I'm certainly

[2:17:58]

[2:17:58] happy to hear from the

[2:18:00] community.

[2:18:00] I'm sorry this has been the

[2:18:01] experience.

[2:18:01] this is is what we said we would

[2:18:04]

[2:18:04] not do, and I do have this

[2:18:06] question, before I release wit

[2:18:11] h

[2:18:11] my comments.

[2:18:11] did we in anyway engage with the

[2:18:14]

[2:18:14] office of governmental

[2:18:16] affairs -- government relations

[2:18:17]

[2:18:17] and community affairs, I believe

[2:18:18]

[2:18:18] it is, aren't they now a part o

[2:18:21] f

[2:18:21] our process?

[2:18:22] did we engage with them?

[2:18:24] >> they were at the same

[2:18:25] meetings as us, yes.

[2:18:26] >> no, did we engage with them

[2:18:29]

[2:18:30] to ask them --

[2:18:30] >> not to coordinate any

[2:18:33] additional meetings.

[2:18:33] >> correct.

[2:18:35] andrew, let me ask you this

[2:18:38] question.

[2:18:38] help me understand what our

[2:18:42] community engagement process I

[2:18:43] s

[2:18:43] now with that office?

[2:18:44] >> yes, to your point, we are

[2:18:48]

[2:18:48] working on a community

[2:18:50] engagement guide going-forward,

[2:18:51]

[2:18:52] that's still in draft form, we

[2:18:53]

[2:18:53] will be finalizing it,ing and

[2:18:55]

[2:18:55] sending it on to the commission

[2:18:57] .

[2:18:57] it talks about how the

[2:18:59] departments do engagement with

[2:19:04]

[2:19:05] my office through the governmen

[2:19:06] t

[2:19:06] affairs community relations

[2:19:08] team.

[2:19:08] I do want to -- I think gail m

[2:19:10] ay

[2:19:10] have touched on this, but I

[2:19:13] do -- miss mowry may have

[2:19:14] touched on this, this was

[2:19:18] originally part of that -- the

[2:19:19]

[2:19:19] overall 8th and waldo process.

[2:19:21]

[2:19:21] the overall engagement.

[2:19:25] during that process, there had

[2:19:28]

[2:19:28] been, I think programmed an

[2:19:32] engagement workshop just about

[2:19:34]

[2:19:34] the street scapes.

[2:19:35] but because of all the changes

[2:19:37]

[2:19:37] that we went through with the

[2:19:40]

[2:19:40] scope and changing the design,

[2:19:45]

[2:19:45] the streetscape portion got

[2:19:48] broken out as a separate

[2:19:51] project, and it didn't have a

[2:19:52]

[2:19:52] specific engage thamt was part

[2:19:54]

[2:19:54] of the original scope with the

[2:19:56]

[2:19:56] eighth and waldo overall

[2:19:59] project.

[2:19:59] I do want to mention a couple

[2:20:02]

[2:20:02] things that I think are -- wou

[2:20:04] ld

[2:20:04] probably be relevant now.

[2:20:06] this is still very early on.

[2:20:09] so I think the -- to your poin

[2:20:14] t,

[2:20:14] if there's -- I know staff has

[2:20:20]

[2:20:20] already had additional engage a

[2:20:22] m

[2:20:22] coming up with community.

[2:20:23] certainly, if the commission

[2:20:30] provides that direction and

[2:20:31] decides to delay any sort of

[2:20:34] design vote, that's certainly

[2:20:36]

[2:20:36] the commission's prerogative,

[2:20:39]

[2:20:39] and we would understand that.

[2:20:40] importantly too, I do not

[2:20:42] believe we actually have

[2:20:44] construction funding lined up

[2:20:45]

[2:20:45] for any of this.

[2:20:46] right now, all we're talking

[2:20:48] about is the $500,000 roughly

[2:20:50]

[2:20:50] for design.

[2:20:50] so we would need to identify h

[2:20:53] ow

[2:20:53] to actually fund construction.

[2:20:54]

[2:20:54] so I do want to make sure,

[2:20:58] because we've had a couple roa

[2:20:59] d

[2:21:00] projects that have been designe

[2:21:01] d

[2:21:01] a long time ago, and then

[2:21:04] finally funded.

[2:21:04] I don't want the commission to

[2:21:06]

[2:21:06] think this is one of those

[2:21:10] processes where the community

[2:21:11]

[2:21:11] that construction is imminent.

[2:21:13]

[2:21:13] you can make a vote, two months

[2:21:15]

[2:21:15] from now we're going to be out

[2:21:16]

[2:21:16] there doing the work, that's n

[2:21:17] ot

[2:21:17] the case, we don't have the

[2:21:19] funding lined up for it yet.

[2:21:21] I do think there's still time t

[2:21:24] o

[2:21:24] have additional dialogue, and I

[2:21:26] f

[2:21:26] that's the will of the

[2:21:28] commission, in terms of design

[2:21:29]

[2:21:30] on any of the segments and the

[2:21:31]

[2:21:31] options presented today.

[2:21:32] >> I'm glad to hear that.

[2:21:34] I do not believe that staff

[2:21:36] should ever make any

[2:21:37] recommendations that have not

[2:21:39]

[2:21:39] been fully vetted through a

[2:21:41] process with the community.

[2:21:42] somehow that was circumvented,

[2:21:45]

[2:21:46] we missed it.

[2:21:47] and we shouldn't be making any

[2:21:49]

[2:21:50] recommendations today at all.

[2:21:50] I'll conclude for now.

[2:21:51] >> thank you, commissioner

[2:21:56] duncan walker, commissioner

[2:21:57] chestnut?

[2:21:57] >> thank you, I think the

[2:22:01] community is still reeling fro

[2:22:02] m

[2:22:03] the changes that were made on

[2:22:05]

[2:22:05] northwest eighth avenue from

[2:22:06] main street to sixth street, t

[2:22:08] he

[2:22:08] community has not gotten over

[2:22:10]

[2:22:10] that, they don't like it, and I

[2:22:11]

[2:22:12] don't think they want to see

[2:22:17] this extended any further.

[2:22:18] now, how many bike lanes are

[2:22:21] from waldo road to mt. Carmel

[2:22:27]

[2:22:27] church.

[2:22:27] we have bike lanes on both sid

[2:22:29] es

[2:22:29] now currently?

[2:22:30] >> no, there's just sidewalks.

[2:22:32]

[2:22:32] >> just two sidewalks.

[2:22:32] all right.

[2:22:36] that's one.

[2:22:37] how many bikers do you have fro

[2:22:41]

[2:22:41] waldo road to mt. Carmel church

[2:22:45] ?

[2:22:45] what do you --

[2:22:48] >> there was data past a certa

[2:22:51] in

[2:22:51] road point for bike traffic.

[2:22:53] that there's no count.

[2:22:54] I'm not sure what the

[2:22:56] intersection was.

[2:22:56] >> well, I don't think people

[2:23:00]

[2:23:00] want to see eighth avenue

[2:23:05] enter -- how many?

[2:23:06] >> no data east of waldo, and

[2:23:09]

[2:23:09] that was a question from many o

[2:23:10] f

[2:23:10] the folks we talked, to they

[2:23:12] weren't sure the bike lanes

[2:23:13] would be utilized. >>

[2:23:13] >> had now, there are lots of

[2:23:18]

[2:23:18] churches on that stretch.

[2:23:19] there are lots of -- I guess y

[2:23:22] ou

[2:23:22] would call them curb cuts, but

[2:23:24]

[2:23:24] there are lots of drive ways

[2:23:26] turning into people's street.

[2:23:27] turning into the streets, which

[2:23:30]

[2:23:30] this would just really disrupt.

[2:23:36]

[2:23:36] and just the thought of taking

[2:23:39]

[2:23:39] out trees, as much as

[2:23:42] gainesville talks about trees,

[2:23:43]

[2:23:43] you would have to remove trees

[2:23:46]

[2:23:46] here at some point.

[2:23:46] the raised intersections, are

[2:23:52]

[2:23:52] you talking about raised

[2:23:54] intersection similar to what y

[2:23:55] ou

[2:23:55] have over on university avenue

[2:23:57] ,

[2:23:58] as you go into target copy?

[2:24:01] what would the raised

[2:24:03] intersection look like?

[2:24:03] >> a couple good use of them,

[2:24:09]

[2:24:09] there's one on northwest 5th a

[2:24:11] nd

[2:24:11] 22nd.

[2:24:11] >> okay.

[2:24:13] I got it.

[2:24:14] I know.

[2:24:15] >> so it's a --

[2:24:17] >> okay.

[2:24:19] >> so the intersection is

[2:24:21] elevated.

[2:24:21] it's not the increase you get

[2:24:28]

[2:24:28] with a speed bump, it's the

[2:24:29] whole thing.

[2:24:29] >> I am interested in hearing

[2:24:32]

[2:24:32] from the community.

[2:24:33] particularly since what we've

[2:24:34]

[2:24:34] gone through with northwest

[2:24:36] eighth avenue to sixth street,

[2:24:39]

[2:24:40] the community has not gotten

[2:24:41] over that.

[2:24:41] we did not have any input in

[2:24:45] that.

[2:24:45] and the next thing we knew, our

[2:24:48]

[2:24:48] street was being torn up, bike

[2:24:50]

[2:24:51] lanes were being put in, zippe

[2:24:52] rs

[2:24:52] were being put in, we had no

[2:24:54] input.

[2:24:54] now, what we were told is that

[2:24:57]

[2:24:57] the input was several years ag

[2:24:58] o,

[2:24:58] we did not have input on that.

[2:25:01]

[2:25:01] just as I think these people a

[2:25:04] re

[2:25:04] here today to tell you they've

[2:25:04]

[2:25:05] had no input.

[2:25:06] I would not want to see what

[2:25:09] happened to us on northwest

[2:25:13] eighth avenue, when we're told

[2:25:15]

[2:25:15] that the public engagement was

[2:25:17]

[2:25:17] held years before, but we did

[2:25:19]

[2:25:19] not have an opportunity to

[2:25:21] participate there.

[2:25:23] so I have some concerns about

[2:25:25]

[2:25:25] this.

[2:25:25] concerns of how this would

[2:25:29] disrupt our community.

[2:25:29] I have concerns about putting I

[2:25:31] n

[2:25:31] these bike lanes, and people

[2:25:33] have not requested those.

[2:25:35] and taking out trees.

[2:25:39] so I'll wait to hear what the

[2:25:41]

[2:25:41] community has to say, thank yo

[2:25:42] u.

[2:25:42] >> thank you, commissioner

[2:25:45] chestnut.

[2:25:45] commissioner eastman.

[2:25:46] >> taking a step back here, what

[2:25:48]

[2:25:48] we're talking about now is,

[2:25:50] we -- this road is due for

[2:25:52] resurfacing, correct?

[2:25:53] >> what we're talking about

[2:25:55] doing, is taking a road, and

[2:25:57] I'll say, I've tried to ride m

[2:25:59] y

[2:26:00] bike on every street in the cit

[2:26:01] y

[2:26:01] of ga

[2:26:02] this needs help, I will hear

[2:26:07] from the community, but the --

[2:26:09]

[2:26:09] [ inaudible ]

[2:26:09] this is a road that has cracks

[2:26:11]

[2:26:11] in it, it is clearly has not

[2:26:14] gotten the love that it

[2:26:16] deserves.

[2:26:16] and that's true with -- just t

[2:26:19] o

[2:26:19] be candid, a lot of east

[2:26:22] gainesville infrastructure, whe

[2:26:23] n

[2:26:23] we're going through that

[2:26:24] process, naturally what happen

[2:26:25] s,

[2:26:25] how should this be designed in

[2:26:27]

[2:26:27] the future, whether it was has

[2:26:31] ty

[2:26:31] to come out with recommendatio

[2:26:33] ns

[2:26:33] or -- this is the process of h

[2:26:35] ow

[2:26:35] we decide what wire going to d

[2:26:38] o

[2:26:39] when we're making large

[2:26:40] investments, I think it's great

[2:26:41]

[2:26:42] we're making large investments.

[2:26:43]

[2:26:43] this road clearly needs it, you

[2:26:45]

[2:26:45] guys are asking for right now,

[2:26:47]

[2:26:47] I'm hearing -- I know that roa

[2:26:48] ds

[2:26:48] are the sort of funny thing, y

[2:26:51] ou

[2:26:51] make plans in the beginning, y

[2:26:52] ou

[2:26:52] go to the state for grants and

[2:26:54]

[2:26:55] you try to get gas tax out of,

[2:26:57]

[2:26:59] or whatever the pop of funding

[2:27:00]

[2:27:01] is.

[2:27:01] you mentioned briefly, what are

[2:27:02]

[2:27:03] you guys looking for?

[2:27:04] you wouldn't be coming and

[2:27:07] asking us if you didn't want

[2:27:08] some sort of direction to move

[2:27:10]

[2:27:10] forward to this investment.

[2:27:12] what kind of direction are you

[2:27:13]

[2:27:13] looking for, aside from the --

[2:27:15]

[2:27:16] just overall design you

[2:27:17] mentioned, can you repeat that

[2:27:18]

[2:27:18] again?

[2:27:18] >> I think in general, the

[2:27:21] recommendations are to look at

[2:27:23]

[2:27:24] speed control and do we need t

[2:27:25] o

[2:27:25] have raised intersections.

[2:27:26] I know the graphic proposes

[2:27:29] three.

[2:27:29] it may not be three, we may not

[2:27:33]

[2:27:34] need three when we start looki

[2:27:35] ng

[2:27:35] at design.

[2:27:35] I don't think anyone had issue

[2:27:38] s

[2:27:38] with the rfp's or pedestrians

[2:27:42]

[2:27:42] crossings.

[2:27:42] bike lanes are tricky, not

[2:27:45] everyone thinks those will be

[2:27:46]

[2:27:46] used, do we look at trying to

[2:27:49]

[2:27:49] offer a wider sidewalk you for

[2:27:50]

[2:27:51] certain stretches so folks can

[2:27:52]

[2:27:52] stay on a multiuse trail of som

[2:27:54] e

[2:27:54] sort.

[2:27:54] we do have a multiuse trail fro

[2:27:58] m

[2:27:58] the end, like 25th terrace on,

[2:28:00]

[2:28:01] there's multiuse trails.

[2:28:02] we're looking for simple

[2:28:04] guidance in terms of --

[2:28:06] obviously, everybody's on board

[2:28:07]

[2:28:07] with the road paving, what do

[2:28:09]

[2:28:09] the bike lanes look like, and d

[2:28:12] o

[2:28:12] we offer bike lanes or do we

[2:28:14] more focus on a sidewalk or

[2:28:16] multiuse situation.

[2:28:17] I don't know if we have enough

[2:28:19]

[2:28:20] right-of-way to do that.

[2:28:23] generally speaking that's what

[2:28:25]

[2:28:26] we're looking for, comp plan

[2:28:29] indicates we're looking for

[2:28:31] those multimodal opportunities.

[2:28:31]

[2:28:31] when it comes to trees, it

[2:28:40] depends if it's a healthy tree

[2:28:41]

[2:28:41] or not.

[2:28:42] some of the oaks may be dying

[2:28:44]

[2:28:44] inside, and they were dropping

[2:28:45]

[2:28:45] logs every time it rained.

[2:28:46] that was one of the reasons the

[2:28:48]

[2:28:48] trees came up.

[2:28:49] we would look at that.

[2:28:52] we want long term safety, the

[2:28:54]

[2:28:54] trees are providing shade,

[2:28:56] they're dropping limbs, is that

[2:28:58]

[2:28:58] a problem?

[2:28:58] >> right.

[2:28:59] >> to that point, when we tal

[2:29:03] about tearing down the trees a

[2:29:06] nd

[2:29:06] the bike lanes.

[2:29:06] in most of these, we had bike

[2:29:09]

[2:29:09] lanes.

[2:29:09] what are you referring to.

[2:29:13] those there, that is a question

[2:29:15]

[2:29:15] that is there, whether or not w

[2:29:16] e

[2:29:16] want to extend that one side,

[2:29:20]

[2:29:20] which for folks that walk, wha

[2:29:21] t

[2:29:21] we're talking about is a large

[2:29:23] r

[2:29:23] sidewalk in a lot of ways, of

[2:29:30]

[2:29:30] course it's nice.

[2:29:31] yeah, I mean, so when you were

[2:29:33]

[2:29:33] telling us about the time line

[2:29:36] ,

[2:29:36] you said you wanted some kind o

[2:29:38] f

[2:29:38] direction related to -- I mean

[2:29:40] ,

[2:29:41] kind of the broad swaths,

[2:29:43] specifically east of waldo, the

[2:29:45]

[2:29:45] 9th to waldo, I don't see as

[2:29:47] part of the motion in here.

[2:29:48] >> no, we're specifically

[2:29:51] looking for more east.

[2:29:51] I don't know -- it was a median

[2:29:55] ,

[2:29:55] 10 foot wide on --

[2:29:58] >> it was conceptual

[2:29:59] recommendation for what we wou

[2:30:00] ld

[2:30:00] say, this is what we would

[2:30:02] propose to put out here, if

[2:30:05] we're going to do west waldo.

[2:30:06] that would be resurfacing and

[2:30:08]

[2:30:08] restriping.

[2:30:08] adding a 10 foot top.

[2:30:11] >> that's not in the

[2:30:13] recommendation I saw in the

[2:30:14] back?

[2:30:14] >> 00, the last part, no.

[2:30:16] >> yeah, for the direction,

[2:30:18] which I think would be nice to

[2:30:19]

[2:30:20] gear us in on which portion of

[2:30:22]

[2:30:22] the direction.

[2:30:23] that western portion is my

[2:30:25] district, be and it's also whe

[2:30:28] re

[2:30:28] we're about to build citizens

[2:30:30]

[2:30:30] field, and there's a lot of

[2:30:31] questions within there.

[2:30:32] yeah, I mean, I do think -- you

[2:30:33]

[2:30:34] know, you have duvall, which I

[2:30:37] s

[2:30:37] now going to remain open it

[2:30:38] seems, so this is a place where

[2:30:40]

[2:30:40] kids are riding their bikes fro

[2:30:42] m

[2:30:42] the surroundi ing neighborhoods

[2:30:46] to

[2:30:47] [laughter]

[2:30:47] >> I think there is lot of

[2:30:52] benefit to having these

[2:30:52] discussions about this, figurin

[2:30:53] g

[2:30:53] out what makes sense here and

[2:30:54] where that makes sense, and so

[2:30:55]

[2:30:55] yeah, I'm interested in seeing

[2:30:57]

[2:30:57] how we can move forward this.

[2:30:58] all right.

[2:30:58] thank you.

[2:30:59] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:31:00] commissioner eastman.

[2:31:00] commissioner willits.

[2:31:03] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:31:05] so just remind me, so our comp

[2:31:07]

[2:31:07] plan says when we go to

[2:31:08] resurface, this type of, you

[2:31:11] know, road, we have to

[2:31:13] consider.

[2:31:13] that's why we're here today,

[2:31:14] right?

[2:31:14] because our comp plan says, hey

[2:31:16] ,

[2:31:16] if you're going to spend a but

[2:31:17] ch

[2:31:17] of money on asphalt, is it tim

[2:31:19] e

[2:31:19] for something that we didn't

[2:31:21] envision 30 years ago or 20

[2:31:22] years ago or 15 when we last, s

[2:31:24] o

[2:31:24] this process is not because

[2:31:26] someone on staff said hey this

[2:31:27]

[2:31:27] is a good idea or anyone on the

[2:31:29]

[2:31:29] commission.

[2:31:29] it's just is that our process

[2:31:31] from the comp plan which is, y

[2:31:32] ou

[2:31:32] know, like the plan for the cit

[2:31:35] y

[2:31:35] just, it says hey you're about

[2:31:37]

[2:31:37] to resurface, go look at some

[2:31:39] other options.

[2:31:40] >> yes, our comp plan says tha

[2:31:42] t

[2:31:42] also our edcm, our engineering

[2:31:44]

[2:31:44] design and construction manual.

[2:31:46]

[2:31:46] the same as you would also

[2:31:48] provide ada ramps you know, if

[2:31:49]

[2:31:49] we're doing work like that we

[2:31:51] would also upgrade the ramps

[2:31:53] along the roadway.

[2:31:54] >> right, okay, so I just want

[2:31:55]

[2:31:55] to make sure I understand

[2:31:57] because it's been asphalt, are

[2:31:58]

[2:31:58] there safety improvements that

[2:32:00]

[2:32:00] can be done, safety, ada

[2:32:01] accessibility, issues.

[2:32:03] while we're there.

[2:32:05] while we're laying asphalts.

[2:32:08] while that makes sense to look

[2:32:09]

[2:32:09] at it.

[2:32:09] questions and part of this is

[2:32:11] because 8th avenue is this

[2:32:13] weer beast because it's got all

[2:32:15]

[2:32:15] these different sections.

[2:32:16] just what we're talking about I

[2:32:18] s

[2:32:18] three different sections.

[2:32:19] every section is a little bit

[2:32:20] different and it's been cobbled

[2:32:21]

[2:32:21] together over decades, some of

[2:32:23]

[2:32:23] it's disjointed about biking

[2:32:25]

[2:32:25] biking and walking and where

[2:32:26] it's easy for buses and where

[2:32:28] it's easy for cars and we're

[2:32:29] going to continue to struggle

[2:32:30] with this because city road and

[2:32:34]

[2:32:34] state road in some sections,

[2:32:36] unfortunately.

[2:32:36] the thing that stuck out to me

[2:32:41]

[2:32:41] was the traffic data on the

[2:32:42] speed.

[2:32:42] northeast 9th to waldo so the

[2:32:45] western portion, posted at

[2:32:48] 35 miles an hour, and 8th

[2:32:50] percentile is less than that.

[2:32:55] yet from waldo to 22nd, posted

[2:32:57]

[2:32:57] 35 miles per hour, 38.3 miles

[2:32:59] per hour.

[2:33:00] that tells me the story of

[2:33:01] engineering absolutely matters

[2:33:03]

[2:33:03] because there is -- little

[2:33:05] fundamental difference between

[2:33:06]

[2:33:06] the people who are driving eas

[2:33:07] t

[2:33:07] and west to waldo.

[2:33:09] they're people, they're

[2:33:11] neighbors.

[2:33:11] some of them are going the who

[2:33:13] le

[2:33:13] route, some of them are turning

[2:33:15]

[2:33:15] at some point.

[2:33:15] that tells me the engineering,

[2:33:17]

[2:33:17] and why the people on the the

[2:33:20] west side get the benefit of a

[2:33:21]

[2:33:21] slower road.

[2:33:22] you can say it's only 6 miles

[2:33:23] per hour.

[2:33:24] averaged out, that 85th

[2:33:25] percentile, there are plenty o

[2:33:28] f

[2:33:28] people flying down the road,

[2:33:29] particularly the section, you

[2:33:31] know, between wawltdo and -- so

[2:33:33]

[2:33:33] I think there is some sort of

[2:33:35] infrastructure that needs to

[2:33:35] happen that slows that down and

[2:33:37]

[2:33:37] makes it safer.

[2:33:37] what exactly?

[2:33:38] we're going to have lot -- lots

[2:33:39]

[2:33:39] of opinion in the community is

[2:33:40]

[2:33:40] going to give us some.

[2:33:42] but it's, you see 34 feet wide?

[2:33:45]

[2:33:45] between wawltdo and 22nd?

[2:33:47] waldo and 22nd?

[2:33:49] like basically 17-foot travel

[2:33:50] lanes.

[2:33:50] >> there are segments where it'

[2:33:52] s

[2:33:52] 35 even wider.

[2:33:53] >> what did we just agree to

[2:33:55] northeast 9th and mr.--

[2:33:59] northeast, is it 9th where we

[2:34:02] had, we're doing work on that,

[2:34:03]

[2:34:03] 9th street, and there was an

[2:34:05] argument whether it was 11 1/2

[2:34:07]

[2:34:07] foot lanes versus, do we end u

[2:34:09] p

[2:34:09] on 11 1/2?

[2:34:10] >> 10 1/2 foot lanes.

[2:34:13] >> did we end up on 10 10 1/

[2:34:15] 2?

[2:34:15] I thought we ended up on

[2:34:17] 11 1/2.

[2:34:17] so just for some example like I

[2:34:21]

[2:34:21] think those lanes need to be

[2:34:23] narrowed some way.

[2:34:24] the quick quick easy is you

[2:34:27] put

[2:34:29] a lane of parking in on the

[2:34:30] south side so it's still

[2:34:32] available for parking, church,

[2:34:33]

[2:34:33] you know, events, something

[2:34:36] needs to happen on that

[2:34:37] section.

[2:34:37] and and the crash data seem to

[2:34:40]

[2:34:40] suggest that.

[2:34:41] what exactly, the idea of a

[2:34:43] 10-foot path from 22nd and

[2:34:46] that street not terrace, right

[2:34:48] ?

[2:34:48] northwest 22nd street.

[2:34:50] >> yes.

[2:34:51] >> 26th street, yes.

[2:34:53] >> there are two houses on that

[2:34:53]

[2:34:53] corner right there on the corne

[2:34:54] r

[2:34:54] that are, that abut the

[2:34:56] sidewalk.

[2:34:56] I mean, I don't know, their

[2:34:59] stoop is two feet from the

[2:35:01] sidewalk, and then there's you

[2:35:02]

[2:35:02] know there's a grass strip

[2:35:05] between the sidewalk and the

[2:35:05] street but a 10-foot path there

[2:35:07]

[2:35:07] eats up from their front door

[2:35:10] it's nothing but sidewalk.

[2:35:11] plus 34th feet of or however

[2:35:14] many feet of section of asphalt

[2:35:18]

[2:35:18] on the other side so that

[2:35:18] doesn't sound pleasant.

[2:35:19] so, and what -- so there's no

[2:35:24] discussion of maybe we just,

[2:35:27] what if you had a two-way cycle

[2:35:31]

[2:35:31] lane on the north side of the

[2:35:32] road where you took out the

[2:35:33] medians from northeast 9th to

[2:35:35] waldo, so that you don't have t

[2:35:37] o

[2:35:37] create a 10-foot path on the

[2:35:38] north side.

[2:35:39] I'm trying to think of lots of

[2:35:40]

[2:35:40] different ways, things that we

[2:35:42]

[2:35:42] find in the nack nacto

[2:35:49] standards.

[2:35:49] that's not a question.

[2:35:50] I'm going to keep on moving on

[2:35:51]

[2:35:51] with maybe some more comments

[2:35:52] about is there any way that we

[2:35:55]

[2:35:55] could do more envisioning where

[2:35:58]

[2:35:58] we you know go out and put the

[2:36:00]

[2:36:00] cones and show what it would

[2:36:02] look like, particularly in wal

[2:36:03] do

[2:36:03] to 22nd, so what a potential

[2:36:06] could look at.

[2:36:07] you put out the cones and you

[2:36:08] tell the neighborhood, hey, we

[2:36:10]

[2:36:10] just seeing what it would look

[2:36:11]

[2:36:11] like and then people go, oh, I

[2:36:12]

[2:36:12] would like the lane to be

[2:36:14] narrower or whatever.

[2:36:18] so it's just a thought.

[2:36:19] I know this is early in the

[2:36:21] process.

[2:36:21] when I saw the work of the, the

[2:36:25]

[2:36:25] outreach, I even thought this I

[2:36:27] s

[2:36:27] rushed.

[2:36:27] normally we get outreach and

[2:36:29] couple months later, you know,

[2:36:31]

[2:36:31] things have trickled up to us

[2:36:34] and we hear some and we go oh

[2:36:37] yeah, we're going to drive and

[2:36:39]

[2:36:39] see what people were talking

[2:36:41] about.

[2:36:41] this feels a little fast.

[2:36:43] I don't understand why it's so

[2:36:44]

[2:36:44] compressed getting back to us

[2:36:45] after that amount of feedback.

[2:36:47]

[2:36:47] let me see if there is anything

[2:36:48]

[2:36:48] else like a specific.

[2:36:51] where they said, you said there

[2:36:52]

[2:36:52] was a lot of trees on one of th

[2:36:53] e

[2:36:53] sides.

[2:36:53] I think they said north side

[2:36:55] with the 10-foot path is that

[2:36:56] the eastern portion or the

[2:36:57] western portion?

[2:36:58] >> eastern portion.

[2:37:00] >> eastern, oi got that

[2:37:03] confused.

[2:37:03] thanks for -- and --

[2:37:05] >> [off mic]

[2:37:07] bullet we would go out there

[2:37:08] with an arborist to make sure

[2:37:09] they're healthy and not --

[2:37:11] >> thank you and the concern

[2:37:11] over median opens, again, was

[2:37:13] that the section west of waldo

[2:37:16] ?

[2:37:16] so potential median.

[2:37:19] okay it was concerns.

[2:37:20] it wasn't over existing --

[2:37:24] sorry, we are talking about lot

[2:37:26] s

[2:37:26] of different sections.

[2:37:27] >> mm-hmm.

[2:37:27] it's a lot.

[2:37:28] so each of those little diamond

[2:37:32]

[2:37:32] stick points, that's a driveway

[2:37:33]

[2:37:33] access.

[2:37:33] >> right.

[2:37:36] >> so nose are all the

[2:37:37] openings -- those are all the

[2:37:38] openings.

[2:37:38] so the medians, those would be

[2:37:40]

[2:37:40] the two options.

[2:37:41] in terms of the concerns with

[2:37:44] median openings, is that what

[2:37:46] you're asking?

[2:37:46] >> yeah, I thought -- I that

[2:37:47] thought was coming from I think

[2:37:49]

[2:37:49] the neighbors.

[2:37:50] >> west waldo.

[2:37:50] I'm sorry.

[2:37:51] I misunderstood.

[2:37:51] >> yeah, so that was the west o

[2:37:52] f

[2:37:52] waldo section.

[2:37:53] is that there weren't enough?

[2:37:54] or there -- too many -- I don't

[2:37:57] ,

[2:37:57] what was the concern.

[2:37:57] >> some of the median, like the

[2:37:59]

[2:37:59] actual turn lane lengths they

[2:38:00] felt were short.

[2:38:01] when we did look at the crash

[2:38:03] data nothing stuck out to

[2:38:05] indicate that they were a

[2:38:06] problem.

[2:38:06] but I guess as, when I was

[2:38:10] driving through there doing sit

[2:38:11] e

[2:38:11] visits taking pictures, things

[2:38:13]

[2:38:13] like that even just driving

[2:38:14] along I could see where someone

[2:38:15]

[2:38:15] would be up comfortable with the

[2:38:16]

[2:38:16] rush to get into a shorter tur

[2:38:19] n

[2:38:19] lane.

[2:38:19] >> well if they were going 38

[2:38:20] instead of 32 I can imagine it

[2:38:22]

[2:38:22] felt --

[2:38:22] [laughter]

[2:38:22] >> so.

[2:38:24] >> okay, that helps me

[2:38:25] understand a little bit about

[2:38:26] that concern because just the

[2:38:28] fact that it's so much slower,

[2:38:29]

[2:38:29] six miles an hour on average

[2:38:31] slower, on a street that is

[2:38:34] signaled higher you know or yit

[2:38:36] tells me we did maybe

[2:38:39] some -- on that section -- the

[2:38:41]

[2:38:41] other section needs something.

[2:38:45]

[2:38:45] I think that's, I think that's

[2:38:46]

[2:38:46] all I got for -- oh, and just,

[2:38:48]

[2:38:48] oh, just the idea is also like,

[2:38:50]

[2:38:50] is there any opportunity for

[2:38:51] quick build things where we,

[2:38:52] where we don't spend 3 or

[2:38:55] $5 million where we do put in

[2:38:56] things that are much more quick

[2:38:59] ,

[2:38:59] temporary, try for six months,

[2:39:02] I

[2:39:03] just had that, and then, sorry

[2:39:05] ,

[2:39:05] that's -- maybe this is just

[2:39:07] conversation for my colleagues

[2:39:08]

[2:39:08] to hear.

[2:39:09] and then can you, this is one

[2:39:12] you may be able to answer.

[2:39:13] why is there hashing on the

[2:39:15] eastern portion in front of the

[2:39:17]

[2:39:17] slab basically at 17th.

[2:39:19] there is some hashing s. That t

[2:39:20] o

[2:39:20] keep people from parking there

[2:39:21]

[2:39:21] on the north side?

[2:39:23] it's kind of marked off.

[2:39:24] it's not parking, but it -- lik

[2:39:25] e

[2:39:25] I said it's got a hash mark.

[2:39:26] is that to keep people from

[2:39:28] parking there.

[2:39:29] >> because the lane is 17-foot

[2:39:30]

[2:39:30] wide?

[2:39:30] >> it's right there by steven

[2:39:34] kelly.

[2:39:34] >> that was part of an

[2:39:35] initiative a few years back to

[2:39:36]

[2:39:36] prevent people from parking

[2:39:38] there.

[2:39:38] there are no parking signs and

[2:39:39]

[2:39:39] the hatching is just to enforce

[2:39:43]

[2:39:43] that.

[2:39:43] >> I think that's my example o

[2:39:44] f

[2:39:44] that kind of quick build to see

[2:39:45]

[2:39:45] how it goes, does it help, not

[2:39:47]

[2:39:47] the millions of dollars where -

[2:39:49] -

[2:39:49] where there is -- because that

[2:39:51]

[2:39:51] came I believe from community

[2:39:52] feedback originally, right?

[2:39:53] >> it came from the community

[2:39:54] and gpd it was a request that

[2:39:56] was facilitated from them to

[2:39:58] public works to facilitate.

[2:39:59] >> okay.

[2:40:00] I just, I bring that out as an

[2:40:02]

[2:40:02] example where we did a small

[2:40:04] intervention to see if it

[2:40:05] helped, and I don't know about

[2:40:07]

[2:40:07] the feedback since then, but

[2:40:10] because it's 17-foot wide lane

[2:40:12]

[2:40:12] you could do that.

[2:40:13] those lanes are way too wide.

[2:40:14] one-way or another they need to

[2:40:19]

[2:40:19] be narrowed pee people street I

[2:40:20] t

[2:40:20] like the -- so that people

[2:40:22] street it treat it like the

[2:40:25] neighborhood street it is.

[2:40:26] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:40:27] >> mayor: I would encourage

[2:40:28] everybody let's not try to

[2:40:29] design the road today because

[2:40:30] that's not where we are in the

[2:40:31]

[2:40:31] process at all.

[2:40:33] there is.

[2:40:42] we have three lights and we ar

[2:40:43] e

[2:40:43] trying to hear from the public,

[2:40:45]

[2:40:45] but we are not in that phase.

[2:40:46] >> yes, mayor, I'm not in the

[2:40:48] design phase, either, so thank

[2:40:49]

[2:40:49] you to staff and thank you to

[2:40:50] nv5 for providing some

[2:40:52] conceptual plans and ideas.

[2:40:56] it's a great start.

[2:40:57] commissioner dunker walker sai

[2:40:59] d

[2:40:59] that -- duncan-walker.

[2:41:03] 2700 block of northeast 8th

[2:41:05] avenue wants to do all the way

[2:41:07]

[2:41:07] to 9th street, the 900 block,

[2:41:09] and so the designs are great.

[2:41:12] but there is a number of

[2:41:14] faith-based and community and

[2:41:15] resident leaders here, and, and

[2:41:18]

[2:41:18] they'll be great opportunity t

[2:41:20] o

[2:41:20] reach out through those

[2:41:21] networks, especially the

[2:41:22] churches because there's five

[2:41:23] churches right there on the

[2:41:25] northeast 8th avenue --

[2:41:26] >> northeast 8th avenue.

[2:41:31] >> 808.

[2:41:32] >> what she said.

[2:41:33] 8.

[2:41:33] so, I was thinking from

[2:41:36] northeast from 15th street to

[2:41:38] 25th street there were five

[2:41:39] right there.

[2:41:40] did I miss -- there are three

[2:41:41] more?

[2:41:41] okay.

[2:41:41] so to those other three churche

[2:41:44] s

[2:41:44] sorry because I know there are

[2:41:48]

[2:41:48] five at least.

[2:41:48] at least that many.

[2:41:48] but -- to get information so I'm

[2:41:51]

[2:41:51] very interested in hearing wha

[2:41:53] t

[2:41:53] the people who are here have t

[2:41:54] o

[2:41:54] say about the designs, what the

[2:41:57] y

[2:41:57] may be interested in and the

[2:41:58] mechanisms that we're going to

[2:41:59]

[2:41:59] do to find out more.

[2:42:00] at one question for you,

[2:42:01] mr. Manager, before we hear fro

[2:42:03] m

[2:42:03] I hope we go right to public.

[2:42:05] they've been waiting for a lon

[2:42:07] g

[2:42:07] time.

[2:42:07] is if all we did today, I felt

[2:42:10]

[2:42:10] no pressure to make a decision

[2:42:11]

[2:42:11] today, none at all, especially

[2:42:13]

[2:42:13] the folks showing up,

[2:42:15] if all w did was say okay,

[2:42:16] let's get some more robust

[2:42:19] information, that would not

[2:42:20] require a motion because that'

[2:42:21] s

[2:42:21] something you would do on in th

[2:42:23] e

[2:42:23] diseme of things or would you b

[2:42:24] e

[2:42:24] looking for something from

[2:42:25] someone on the dais?

[2:42:27] >> I think a motion would be

[2:42:28] appropriate.

[2:42:28] >> okay.

[2:42:30] all right.

[2:42:30] well that's something to

[2:42:31] consider.

[2:42:31] I'd love to hear from all the

[2:42:34] people who've probably been

[2:42:36] waiting for a while, mr. Mayor.

[2:42:37]

[2:42:37] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:42:38] commissioner book.

[2:42:38] commissioner ingle.

[2:42:41] >> just kind of short and sweet

[2:42:42]

[2:42:42] on this.

[2:42:42] it certainly sounds like the

[2:42:44] community doesn't feel like it'

[2:42:45] s

[2:42:45] been heard.

[2:42:47] look forward to hearing public

[2:42:48]

[2:42:48] comment on this, but in general

[2:42:50]

[2:42:50] my first kind of reaction is

[2:42:53] just the inclination to table

[2:42:54] this until we've got some bette

[2:42:56] r

[2:42:56] community feedback.

[2:42:58] we don't have construction fun

[2:42:59] ds

[2:42:59] for it.

[2:43:00] there is nothing pressing.

[2:43:01] there is no thing going on so

[2:43:03] as

[2:43:03] far as I can see there is no

[2:43:04] downside to tabling this and

[2:43:08] getting some better community

[2:43:09] feedback on that.

[2:43:11] that being said, I'm sure there

[2:43:13]

[2:43:13] are a lot of people here to tal

[2:43:13] k

[2:43:13] so I will be happy to hear fro

[2:43:17] m

[2:43:17] them now.

[2:43:18] >> mayor: commissioner duncan

[2:43:18] and then I've gut a brief

[2:43:20] comment and then we will go to

[2:43:21]

[2:43:21] the public.

[2:43:21] >> thank you, mr. Mayor, and I

[2:43:22]

[2:43:22] know I said y wasn't going to

[2:43:23] say anything until after the

[2:43:25] public.

[2:43:25] I lied.

[2:43:27] but only to say this.

[2:43:29] it is important to consider the

[2:43:30]

[2:43:30] functionality of this street.

[2:43:33] not just the street where peopl

[2:43:35] e

[2:43:35] just drive past.

[2:43:36] there are a number of activitie

[2:43:38] s

[2:43:38] that take place on this street,

[2:43:39]

[2:43:39] and what I would've been

[2:43:40] interested in hearing in today

[2:43:43] 's

[2:43:43] conversation since your

[2:43:44] recommendation is to get us to

[2:43:46]

[2:43:46] do something today that I'm not

[2:43:49]

[2:43:49] interested in doing, I would'v

[2:43:50] e

[2:43:50] been interested in you telling

[2:43:52]

[2:43:52] us how much on-street parking

[2:43:53] there currently is.

[2:43:55] because many of the eight

[2:43:56] churches that I just told you

[2:43:58] there were on northeast 8th

[2:44:00] avenue take advantage of that

[2:44:01] onstreit parking.

[2:44:02] not just for sunday services o

[2:44:04] r

[2:44:04] saturday services at the 7th

[2:44:05] day adventant church but for t

[2:44:07] he

[2:44:07] mere yatd of services that --

[2:44:09] myriad of services they

[2:44:10] provide.

[2:44:10] many of the residents in that

[2:44:11] community utilize thrking -- p

[2:44:18] ark

[2:44:18] there -- there was a slide in

[2:44:25] the public works presentation a

[2:44:26]

[2:44:26] little bit earlier today, and I

[2:44:28]

[2:44:28] don't -- you don't have to pul

[2:44:29] l

[2:44:29] it up right now, but it was on

[2:44:31]

[2:44:31] page 53.

[2:44:32] I wrote it down during your

[2:44:33] presentation bots because I

[2:44:36] thought about asking the

[2:44:37] question then, but I said no

[2:44:38] we're going to have this

[2:44:39] conversation a little bit later

[2:44:39]

[2:44:39] on today and perhaps I'll be

[2:44:41] able to get that information

[2:44:43] then.

[2:44:43] don't find it now but just kno

[2:44:45] w

[2:44:45] on page 53 of the previous

[2:44:47] public works conversation you

[2:44:49] told us about the northwest

[2:44:51] 1st avenue resurfacing, and

[2:44:55] I'm very curious to know how y

[2:44:56] ou

[2:44:56] incorporated or how you're

[2:44:58] looking at a completed so how

[2:45:00] did you incorporate multimodal

[2:45:02]

[2:45:02] there.

[2:45:02] because don't tell me right

[2:45:04] now.

[2:45:04] don't tell me right now.

[2:45:07] but I want you to show me.

[2:45:09] don't tell me.

[2:45:10] show me.

[2:45:13] northwest 1st avenue is a

[2:45:14] tiny street.

[2:45:16] northeast 8th avenue east of

[2:45:19] waldo road is strange.

[2:45:22] and the reason that it expands

[2:45:24]

[2:45:24] is to accommodate traffic -- I

[2:45:25]

[2:45:25] think the engineering there

[2:45:27] waserary wise, and I think it

[2:45:28] should remain exactly how it is

[2:45:29]

[2:45:29] right now.

[2:45:30] because it helps to facilitate

[2:45:34]

[2:45:34] everything that goes on in tha

[2:45:35] t

[2:45:35] community.

[2:45:35] where there is church activity,

[2:45:37]

[2:45:37] the road expands, and where

[2:45:39] there are buses, the road

[2:45:40] expands to allow for on-street

[2:45:41]

[2:45:41] parking.

[2:45:41] and the traffic can continue t

[2:45:44] o

[2:45:44] move through without

[2:45:45] congestion.

[2:45:45] and without problems.

[2:45:48] keeping safety in mind.

[2:45:49] it then narrows again after

[2:45:51] duval and I'm glad that it was

[2:45:53]

[2:45:53] noted that yes, duval is still

[2:45:55]

[2:45:55] in play.

[2:45:56] it is not closing.

[2:45:58] and I don't believe a

[2:45:59] conversation with the school

[2:46:00] board has been had to learn wha

[2:46:02] t

[2:46:02] their plans are.

[2:46:04] and how we need to incorporate

[2:46:05]

[2:46:05] what those plans are in our

[2:46:07] transportation plans for the

[2:46:09] street.

[2:46:09] I'm going to close my mouth

[2:46:11] now.

[2:46:11] I have a lot mthat I could

[2:46:13] say, but I felt the need to

[2:46:15] bring those things before my

[2:46:17] constituents had the opportuni

[2:46:18] ty

[2:46:18] to speak and anybody else who

[2:46:18] wants to speak on this because

[2:46:23]

[2:46:23] this is a major issue.

[2:46:28] nobody needs to talk about 8th

[2:46:30]

[2:46:30] avenue needing to be

[2:46:31] resurfaced.

[2:46:31] I think I asked you in our

[2:46:33] meeting the other day how long

[2:46:35]

[2:46:35] it's been.

[2:46:37] 20 years?

[2:46:39] it's been a very, very long tim

[2:46:41] e

[2:46:41] since that road has been

[2:46:41] addressed.

[2:46:41] if I had a dime for every time

[2:46:46]

[2:46:46] am faal family asked me abo

[2:46:50] ut

[2:46:50] when that road was going to be

[2:46:51]

[2:46:51] resurfaced, I would be rich.

[2:46:55] I'm glad we're going to do

[2:46:56] that.

[2:46:56] I think that's a given.

[2:46:59] that's the no-brainer part.

[2:47:00] it's everything else that

[2:47:02] everyone else has questions

[2:47:03] about.

[2:47:03] everyone else even has

[2:47:05] questions -- there are a numbe

[2:47:06] r

[2:47:06] of people who don't want to se

[2:47:07] e

[2:47:07] the street narrowed.

[2:47:08] and we need to hear that.

[2:47:11] I understand that there is a

[2:47:12] belief that narrowing a road

[2:47:14] would control speed.

[2:47:15] maybe, maybe not.

[2:47:17] but those are the conversations

[2:47:18]

[2:47:18] that you need to have the

[2:47:20] opportunity to have with the

[2:47:21] people.

[2:47:21] I'll conclude for now and then

[2:47:23]

[2:47:23] I'll come back afterwards.

[2:47:25] thank you, commissioner

[2:47:25] duncan-walker.

[2:47:25] so I just have a couple of

[2:47:27] comments and then we'll hear

[2:47:28] from you all.

[2:47:34] so the two things that are dea

[2:47:35] l

[2:47:35] breakers for me when we finally

[2:47:36]

[2:47:36] get around to voting on

[2:47:38] something about actual design,

[2:47:40]

[2:47:40] which is not today, it's a goo

[2:47:41] d

[2:47:41] way ways off, the two things

[2:47:44] that are deal breakers for me

[2:47:45] are number one, safety, it has

[2:47:48]

[2:47:48] to be a safer street.

[2:47:49] fewer people have to git

[2:47:50] has to be the sort of thing th

[2:47:53] at

[2:47:53] people are less likely to get

[2:47:54] hurt on.

[2:47:55] I don't have data to corroborate

[2:47:59]

[2:47:59] this but I would bet 41 injurie

[2:48:01] s

[2:48:01] is more than we would normally

[2:48:02]

[2:48:02] expect on a two-lane street.

[2:48:04] over a five-year period.

[2:48:06] I want a safer street.

[2:48:11] safe dozen always feel like

[2:48:12] what -- safe doesn't always fee

[2:48:15] l

[2:48:15] like what the data tell us, tha

[2:48:16] t

[2:48:16] safe doesn't always feel like

[2:48:18] what we want it to feel like.

[2:48:19] slower is safer.

[2:48:20] there's no way to argue with th

[2:48:22] e

[2:48:22] physics of that.

[2:48:23] slower is safer.

[2:48:25] and talking about a relatively

[2:48:27]

[2:48:27] short road, if it's, if it tak

[2:48:30] es

[2:48:30] you, takes anybody a shorter a

[2:48:33]

[2:48:33] little bit longer to get where

[2:48:34]

[2:48:34] we're going, a minute or so

[2:48:35] longer to get where we're going

[2:48:36] ,

[2:48:36] and people don't die as a

[2:48:38] result, twel that's a good

[2:48:39] thing.

[2:48:39] safer is the number one thing.

[2:48:43]

[2:48:43] I also want to make sure that

[2:48:45] whatever gets done adds to the

[2:48:48]

[2:48:48] value of the neighborhoods.

[2:48:50] that it does not detract from

[2:48:52] the value of the neighborhoods

[2:48:53] .

[2:48:53] that means we need to save as

[2:48:54] many trees as possible because

[2:48:57] I

[2:48:57] know we have a few realtors in

[2:48:59]

[2:48:59] the room, there is no realtor

[2:49:01] that will tell you fewer trees

[2:49:03]

[2:49:03] makes property more valuable.

[2:49:05] mature trees add to the value o

[2:49:08] f

[2:49:08] property so we don't want to

[2:49:09] reduce the value of anybody's

[2:49:11] property.

[2:49:11] we want to increase it, but

[2:49:13] mostly we want to be sure that

[2:49:16]

[2:49:16] people don't get hurt on the

[2:49:18] road if we can possibly avoid

[2:49:19] it.

[2:49:19] those are the two deal breaker

[2:49:22] s

[2:49:22] for me when we finally get

[2:49:23] around to voting for something.

[2:49:27]

[2:49:27] that's a long way off.

[2:49:28] we need to hear from the

[2:49:32] public.

[2:49:32] we do have years of data and o

[2:49:38] f,

[2:49:38] you know, ability to check wit

[2:49:40] h

[2:49:40] other cities because we're not

[2:49:43]

[2:49:43] all that special.

[2:49:44] there are other cities just lik

[2:49:45] e

[2:49:45] us.

[2:49:45] and we can tell what works in

[2:49:47] other cities to make them safe.

[2:49:49]

[2:49:49] and what keeps people alive,

[2:49:51] what keeps people not hurt on

[2:49:53] our streets.

[2:49:54] we have plenty of time for all

[2:49:55]

[2:49:55] of that, and I want to make sure

[2:49:59]

[2:49:59] that we include all of that wit

[2:50:01] h

[2:50:01] also the idea that the longer w

[2:50:04] e

[2:50:04] take to make it a safer street

[2:50:06]

[2:50:06] the more people get hurt on tha

[2:50:08] t

[2:50:08] street.

[2:50:08] and is it is a street that has

[2:50:11]

[2:50:11] lots of kids on it.

[2:50:14] I mean there are just lots of

[2:50:18] kids.

[2:50:18] we want lots of kids on the

[2:50:19] street.

[2:50:19] I'm very familiar with 8th

[2:50:21] avenue.

[2:50:21] and no, they're not all riding

[2:50:24]

[2:50:24] their bike to duval.

[2:50:25] we all understand that.

[2:50:26] but there are a lot of kids in

[2:50:29]

[2:50:29] the neighborhood, a lot of kid

[2:50:29] s

[2:50:29] on the street, and we want the

[2:50:32] m

[2:50:32] to grow up to be adults who can

[2:50:33]

[2:50:33] come to a city commission

[2:50:34] meeting.

[2:50:34] so those are the things that a

[2:50:38] re

[2:50:38] foremost in my mind as we move

[2:50:40]

[2:50:40] forward.

[2:50:40] so I'm asking you all to step

[2:50:43] out of the way and let's hear

[2:50:44] from the public.

[2:50:44] >> yes, mr. Mayor, and y us

[2:50:47] I

[2:50:47] just wanted to let every bn

[2:50:49]

[2:50:49] everyone know that everyone who

[2:50:50]

[2:50:50] was down in room 16 has been

[2:50:52] able to come up and find seats.

[2:50:54]

[2:50:54] room 16 is empty.

[2:50:59] I'm going to say a few names -

[2:51:00] -

[2:51:00] people who signed up on deck t

[2:51:00] o

[2:51:00] come up to the podium.

[2:51:02] pamela anderson followed by

[2:51:04] carolyn eason and then juanita

[2:51:11]

[2:51:11] miles hamilton.

[2:51:13] is pamela here?

[2:51:19] >> mayor: welcome.

[2:51:22] >> afternoon, commissioners.

[2:51:24] my respect to all of you.

[2:51:27] whether when I first heard a

[2:51:30] bout

[2:51:30] the plan for the improvements o

[2:51:32] f

[2:51:32] 8th avenue, I just happened to

[2:51:34]

[2:51:34] be there at the time that they

[2:51:37]

[2:51:37] were at the, when the city com

[2:51:39] es

[2:51:39] out on the second monday at the

[2:51:41]

[2:51:41] clarence kelly center.

[2:51:43] I said well, why don't you com

[2:51:44] e

[2:51:44] to the seniors on the move at

[2:51:46] clarence kelly center and

[2:51:48] present that to them because

[2:51:50] there are so many people that

[2:51:51] don't know about this.

[2:51:53] so from there we had those two

[2:51:55]

[2:51:55] meetings, and with them, and I

[2:51:57]

[2:51:57] saw some improvements over wha

[2:52:00] t

[2:52:00] was presented back then as

[2:52:03] well.

[2:52:03] I was against it, and still am

[2:52:05]

[2:52:05] against the zippers, and the

[2:52:10] bike lanes on this eastern

[2:52:14] portion of 8th avenue because

[2:52:16] seeing it every day and

[2:52:19] traveling that corridor and

[2:52:21] seeing how it was done over by

[2:52:26]

[2:52:26] chestnut as far as the zippers

[2:52:28]

[2:52:28] and the turn lane, the bike

[2:52:30] lanes rather, and I'm going to

[2:52:33] c

[2:52:33] church twice a week over there

[2:52:33]

[2:52:33] and seeing how dangerous this I

[2:52:35] s

[2:52:35] so I thought, we can't just --

[2:52:37]

[2:52:37] we got to find out what's going

[2:52:38]

[2:52:38] on and why and we just wile

[2:52:41] we're just hearing about this

[2:52:42] plan.

[2:52:42] I understand safety and the

[2:52:49] children, I'm all for children

[2:52:50]

[2:52:50] and everybody being safe

[2:52:51] certainly, but I don't think

[2:52:53] that when it comes down to thi

[2:52:55] s

[2:52:55] portion of 8th avenue, I have

[2:52:59] my sayings about the other

[2:53:01] portion as well that I wouldn'

[2:53:03] t

[2:53:03] care to be talking about right

[2:53:05]

[2:53:05] now but going threw thet

[2:53:06] roundabout at -- through that

[2:53:08] roundabout at night, but I'm

[2:53:10] just saying as far as the east

[2:53:12]

[2:53:12] 8th avenue corridor, and it is

[2:53:14]

[2:53:14] special and yes, there are a l

[2:53:16] ot

[2:53:16] of things that happen down the

[2:53:18] re

[2:53:18] on that street that people

[2:53:20] didn't take into consideration

[2:53:21]

[2:53:21] and maybe they've looked into I

[2:53:23] t

[2:53:23] now.

[2:53:23] I didn't see that data before

[2:53:25] about the accidents and not tha

[2:53:27] t

[2:53:27] I've heard about that many

[2:53:30] accidents on that part of 8th

[2:53:31] avenue.

[2:53:31] safety is a goal, and it's my

[2:53:34] goal.

[2:53:34] and there'll be other comments.

[2:53:36]

[2:53:36] I don't want to be redundant b

[2:53:38] ut

[2:53:38] I was opposed to the bike lanes

[2:53:43] , .

[2:53:45] the traffic calming what they

[2:53:46] talked about, those tables,

[2:53:48] first when I saw the first pla

[2:53:49] n

[2:53:49] it was three of them.

[2:53:50] I see it's been cut down to two

[2:53:53]

[2:53:53] proposed median locations.

[2:53:55] I am for the flashing lights.

[2:53:56] the beacons for crossing the

[2:53:59] roadway, put as many as you can

[2:54:02]

[2:54:02] down there.

[2:54:02] I am all for that.

[2:54:04] but there's those few other

[2:54:06] things that pertains to as far

[2:54:09]

[2:54:09] as the traffic flow, that's a

[2:54:12] different thing.

[2:54:13] as far as those are my, what I

[2:54:16]

[2:54:16] see after 50 years of living

[2:54:18] down there in cedar grove, whi

[2:54:20] ch

[2:54:20] they say duval, my neighborhood

[2:54:23]

[2:54:23] is cedar grove part 1, but wha

[2:54:26] t

[2:54:26] I see for 50 years of going bac

[2:54:29] k

[2:54:29] and forth, I've not heard of

[2:54:31] that many people getting reall

[2:54:32] y

[2:54:32] hurt.

[2:54:32] that, on that portion of 8th

[2:54:36] avenue.

[2:54:36] thank you.

[2:54:37] >> mayor: thank you.

[2:54:39] >> carolyn eason followed by

[2:54:43] juanita miles -- I apologize.

[2:54:47] juanita miles hamilton.

[2:54:49] thank you for the correction.

[2:54:50] >> mayor: welcome.

[2:54:51] >> and kali blount.

[2:54:53] >> thank you, juanita miles

[2:54:54] hamilton.

[2:54:54] and I'm standing today in

[2:55:01] support, I hope it was a motio

[2:55:04] n,

[2:55:04] that there was not proper

[2:55:06] community input from the staff

[2:55:08]

[2:55:08] regarding this issue.

[2:55:12] transparency, accountability,

[2:55:14] and public involvement are

[2:55:16] critical in decision making

[2:55:19] processes.

[2:55:19] gentrification at best, at

[2:55:25] best.

[2:55:25] I'm standing because of the fac

[2:55:30] t

[2:55:30] that the northwest 8th avenue

[2:55:33] just yesterday I was traveling

[2:55:35] a

[2:55:35] sloppy.

[2:55:35] and it creates a problem I've

[2:55:41] sat and monitored the traffic

[2:55:42] for several hours several times

[2:55:45]

[2:55:45] a day different times of day

[2:55:47] morning, noon, and evening and

[2:55:50]

[2:55:50] pretty much I have yet to see a

[2:55:52]

[2:55:52] bicycle on the bike lane.

[2:55:57] and but yet it imposes a

[2:55:59] problem.

[2:55:59] just yesterday I was coming fro

[2:56:02] m

[2:56:02] therapy, and the traffic was

[2:56:06] flowing good.

[2:56:06] it was right at 5:00.

[2:56:08] a lot of traffic.

[2:56:09] and I was stuck headeeast on

[2:56:14] 8th avenue at northwest -- the

[2:56:17]

[2:56:17] traffic suddenly stopped bec folk were cr

[2:56:21] folk were crossing the lane --

[2:56:22]

[2:56:22] down the street.

[2:56:23] stopped abruptly.

[2:56:25] several other cars and myself

[2:56:27] had to hit the bike lane to

[2:56:30] get -- to stop from getting hit

[2:56:33]

[2:56:33] with cars headed north on 6th

[2:56:35] street.

[2:56:35] the police department.

[2:56:39] we were stuck out if the I

[2:56:42] n the

[2:56:42] lane.

[2:56:42] the traffic light changed on u

[2:56:44] s

[2:56:44] because the traffic had abruptly

[2:56:45]

[2:56:45] stopped.

[2:56:45] it's a problem.

[2:56:47] it is a problem.

[2:56:49] I think that we need to revisit

[2:56:51]

[2:56:51] our comp plan because in that

[2:56:53] comp plan it clearly states tha

[2:56:56] t

[2:56:56] you need to make other changes

[2:56:59]

[2:56:59] to roads when you resurface a

[2:57:02] street or do the sidewalks.

[2:57:04] we don't, I ride.

[2:57:06] I see the children walking,

[2:57:08] parents walking, we don't walk

[2:57:09]

[2:57:09] in the streets.

[2:57:11] we don't ride our bikes in the

[2:57:12]

[2:57:12] street.

[2:57:12] we ride on the sidewalk.

[2:57:15] because we were taught not to

[2:57:19] be

[2:57:19] in the streets and compete wit

[2:57:21] h

[2:57:21] a car or truck.

[2:57:21] this is a community, a

[2:57:23] neighborhood.

[2:57:23] a neighborhood.

[2:57:25] and bike lanes doesn't apply to

[2:57:29]

[2:57:29] the concept that we we will

[2:57:33] build it now and they will

[2:57:34] come.

[2:57:34] this is an existing community

[2:57:37] and we need to respect it as

[2:57:39] such: there are several projects

[2:57:42]

[2:57:42] if you are looking for project

[2:57:43] s

[2:57:43] that can be beneficial to us.

[2:57:47] one is getting rid of that

[2:57:50] recycling plant right on waldo

[2:57:52]

[2:57:52] and 8th avenue that provides

[2:57:56] dust to residents of us living

[2:57:59]

[2:57:59] in the community creating healt

[2:58:01] h

[2:58:01] issues.

[2:58:01] folk can't open their windows

[2:58:04] boss of because of the noi

[2:58:06] se and

[2:58:06] air pollution.

[2:58:07] that you can relocate that

[2:58:12] convenience store on 8th

[2:58:15] avenue that you gave permissio

[2:58:17] n

[2:58:17] to sell beer and wine or

[2:58:19] whatever else out of it, and

[2:58:21] plaster the signs all over the

[2:58:24]

[2:58:24] window right in front of a

[2:58:26] recreation center and a

[2:58:28] nursery.

[2:58:28] >> mayor: I am a going to ask

[2:58:31] you to wrap up.

[2:58:34] that's not how we do it.

[2:58:36] you know that.

[2:58:37] >> and the same thing happens o

[2:58:39] n

[2:58:39] southeast 4th avenue.

[2:58:41] this is, this is not good for

[2:58:42] our community.

[2:58:46] it creates all kind of problem

[2:58:47] s

[2:58:47] for our children at they young

[2:58:50]

[2:58:50] age and now you have come in

[2:58:52] talking about bicycles putting

[2:58:53]

[2:58:53] them in the streets.

[2:58:54] trying to kill them.

[2:58:56] >> mayor: ms. Miles hamilton I'm

[2:58:57]

[2:58:57] going to ask you to wrap up.

[2:58:58] you're at four minutes.

[2:58:59] >> okay, I will, thank you,

[2:59:00] sir.

[2:59:00] and another thing we can do is

[2:59:05]

[2:59:05] to provide avenues for economic

[2:59:08]

[2:59:08] development, provide

[2:59:09] recreational after-school

[2:59:11] programs for our kids so that

[2:59:14] they can continue to do -- the

[2:59:15]

[2:59:15] city used to do that.

[2:59:17] >> mayor: I'm going to ask you

[2:59:18]

[2:59:18] to wrap up, please.

[2:59:19] >> we appreciate it and I would

[2:59:20]

[2:59:20] like to say that if you continue

[2:59:22]

[2:59:22] to ignore our safety, our

[2:59:25] children, our peace, and our

[2:59:26] survival, we will target your

[2:59:28] seats.

[2:59:28] >> amen.

[2:59:33] >> mayor: ms. Miles hamilton, I

[2:59:34]

[2:59:34] would love to schedule a meeti

[2:59:35] ng

[2:59:35] with you.

[2:59:35] please.

[2:59:35] >> okay.

[2:59:36] thank you.

[2:59:37] >> we have kali blount followed

[2:59:40]

[2:59:40] by andrew miles and dejohn

[2:59:42] dijon

[2:59:48] cane.

[2:59:48] >> they brought up removing

[2:59:50] trees.

[2:59:50] it should be part of the study.

[2:59:53]

[2:59:53] trees really are removable,

[2:59:54] which ones are alien.

[2:59:56] if you remove the only more

[2:59:57] a3w-7bdant abundant trees

[3:00:00] will

[3:00:00] that clear a path on either sid

[3:00:02] e

[3:00:02] of the street.

[3:00:02] we don't want to expand heat

[3:00:03] islands, so you should be

[3:00:05] preserving the trees.

[3:00:10] and with these street changes

[3:00:12] and you're talking later about

[3:00:13]

[3:00:13] utility changes, even if you

[3:00:17] weren't putting utilities under

[3:00:18]

[3:00:18] ground, you're dealing with the

[3:00:21]

[3:00:21] surface water drainage, which,

[3:00:25]

[3:00:25] and there's a couple areas whe

[3:00:26] re

[3:00:26] you have swales on the

[3:00:27] roadside.

[3:00:27] it would be great to turn that

[3:00:29]

[3:00:29] into level ground over pipe and

[3:00:30]

[3:00:30] no longer have swales.

[3:00:32] but that's going to involve the

[3:00:34]

[3:00:34] utilities cooperation.

[3:00:37] and since you and gru are now

[3:00:39] frien-emies, you need to know

[3:00:41] well ahead of time what are the

[3:00:43] y

[3:00:43] going to participate, what wil

[3:00:44] l

[3:00:44] be their participation.

[3:00:46] and I mentioned earlier when I

[3:00:49]

[3:00:49] talked about the zero project --

[3:00:52]

[3:00:52] the project zero event the oth

[3:00:53] er

[3:00:53] day, what I think of the quali

[3:00:55] ty

[3:00:55] of outreach.

[3:00:57] too often the outreach is bring

[3:00:59]

[3:00:59] a citizens in, let them hear a

[3:01:01]

[3:01:01] presentations, and they don't

[3:01:03] get to speak back to the room

[3:01:05] and each other and the staff.

[3:01:07] or they just get to take two

[3:01:09] cookies and go home or they're

[3:01:11]

[3:01:11] told write your question on an

[3:01:12]

[3:01:12] index card.

[3:01:13] that's not good enough.

[3:01:16] and that feeds into one giant

[3:01:20] apprehension for this

[3:01:21] neighborhood.

[3:01:21] they've seen what happened in

[3:01:23] 5th avenue and pleasant street

[3:01:26]

[3:01:26] and porters.

[3:01:27] is this a prequell to

[3:01:30] gentrification?

[3:01:30] they need some reassurance.

[3:01:33] and for $500,000, do we get

[3:01:38] anywhere into the kinetic part

[3:01:39]

[3:01:39] of this work?

[3:01:41] you know, since I've been in

[3:01:42] town in '87 I'm sure there's

[3:01:44] been 6 or $7 million spent on

[3:01:46] consultants and studies that

[3:01:47] have given you lots of paper t

[3:01:49] o

[3:01:49] protect your shelves from d

[3:01:53] ust,

[3:01:53] but we want to see it become

[3:01:54] actual action so does this get

[3:01:56]

[3:01:56] us into -- even if it's just a

[3:01:58]

[3:01:58] coordination with d.o.t., I

[3:02:01] think the park west of waldo

[3:02:02] might be d.o.t. Concern, or

[3:02:05] required testing, maybe a test

[3:02:09]

[3:02:09] soil on where you're going to

[3:02:10] pay new, put new pavement make

[3:02:13]

[3:02:13] sure it's good.

[3:02:15] so for $500,000, I hope we're

[3:02:17] getting into some part of the

[3:02:20] kinetic part of this work.

[3:02:22] a shovel in the dirt, somewhere

[3:02:24]

[3:02:24] for that $500,000 and not just

[3:02:26] a

[3:02:27] new pile of paper.

[3:02:29] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:02:30] mr. Blount.

[3:02:32] >> andrew miles followed by

[3:02:35] dijon cane and pastor earnestee

[3:02:43] n

[3:02:43] butler.

[3:02:43] >> welcome, how are you doing

[3:02:45] again.

[3:02:45] I'm coming to talk to you about

[3:02:48]

[3:02:48] the road construction as well.

[3:02:50]

[3:02:50] and I want to go straight to th

[3:02:51] e

[3:02:51] crash data because the crash

[3:02:53] data that they're talking is

[3:02:54] about for the safety and so

[3:02:56] forth, is somewhat inconclusiv

[3:02:59] e

[3:02:59] andit don't really related to

[3:03:01] speed or to any particular thi

[3:03:04] ng

[3:03:04] that's why they have all the

[3:03:05] incidents.

[3:03:05] so we can't exactly say that al

[3:03:10] l

[3:03:10] of those incidents is because o

[3:03:11] f

[3:03:11] speed.

[3:03:11] first of all.

[3:03:13] so that's kind of screwed a

[3:03:14] little bit.

[3:03:17] the speed tables and the zippe

[3:03:22] rs

[3:03:22] along for the bike path and so

[3:03:23]

[3:03:23] forth is by biggest objection.

[3:03:26]

[3:03:26] 8th avenue definitely,

[3:03:27] definitely need to have some

[3:03:29] renovation done to so forth but

[3:03:31]

[3:03:31] the speed tables I think is an

[3:03:34]

[3:03:34] unnecessary, little bit

[3:03:35] overkill, and we don't have

[3:03:37] enough data that directly

[3:03:40] relates it to speeding, and so

[3:03:43]

[3:03:43] forth because as far as we know,

[3:03:45]

[3:03:45] it could be from people texting,

[3:03:47]

[3:03:47] it could be from folks talking

[3:03:49]

[3:03:49] on the phone or just not payin

[3:03:51] g attent

[3:03:51] attentn. So

[3:03:51] soforth so a lot of that is the

[3:03:53]

[3:03:53] reason why we have lot of

[3:03:55] accidents in the first place

[3:03:56] more so than speeding.

[3:03:59] the other thing is that some of

[3:04:05]

[3:04:05] the causes that you do have

[3:04:06] superspeeding is somewhat could

[3:04:08]

[3:04:08] be related to that on the west

[3:04:11]

[3:04:11] side of 8th avenue before you

[3:04:13] cross waldo, the speed limit I

[3:04:15] s

[3:04:15] 35 miles an hour.

[3:04:16] so coming across waldo road it'

[3:04:20] s

[3:04:20] kind of hard transitioning

[3:04:21] there.

[3:04:21] I drive that way quite a bit a

[3:04:22] nd

[3:04:22] so forth myself coming back and

[3:04:27]

[3:04:27] forth every day.

[3:04:27] a little speed transition coming

[3:04:28]

[3:04:28] through there, but having the

[3:04:30] speed tables up on 8th avenue

[3:04:31] is going to slow down traffic,

[3:04:34]

[3:04:34] it's going to slow down traffic

[3:04:35]

[3:04:35] so much until I think it's

[3:04:36] possibly even make it dangerous

[3:04:38]

[3:04:38] for us that are living there

[3:04:40] because we have a lot of traff

[3:04:41] ic

[3:04:41] that's flowing through that

[3:04:44] little -- there and we and

[3:04:48] so

[3:04:48] forth.

[3:04:48] we do want the road to be fixed

[3:04:52]

[3:04:52] and so forth, and some other

[3:04:54] ated stuff, and some bike paths

[3:04:57]

[3:04:57] could be some additional stuff

[3:04:58]

[3:04:58] that could be help it a little

[3:05:00]

[3:05:00] bit, but like I said, the

[3:05:01] zipper's going to impede a who

[3:05:02] le

[3:05:02] lot.

[3:05:02] even widening the sidwould

[3:05:04] make it a little bit better.

[3:05:07] some folks don't want -- but I

[3:05:08]

[3:05:08] don't know who if the world

[3:05:10] in

[3:05:11] the world decided to put large

[3:05:12]

[3:05:12] oak trees in the middle of a

[3:05:13] sidewalk that's going to grow

[3:05:15] this big around as this table,

[3:05:17]

[3:05:17] and it's going to tear up the

[3:05:18] roads, it's going to tear up t

[3:05:20] he

[3:05:20] sidewalk as soon as you fix the

[3:05:21]

[3:05:21] roads, five, six years from now

[3:05:23] ,

[3:05:23] we have to resurface the road

[3:05:24] again because of all of the

[3:05:25] roots.

[3:05:25] I don't care how you trim the

[3:05:28] trees, it's going -- some

[3:05:31] consideration or replacing tho

[3:05:32] se

[3:05:32] oaks with some more manageable

[3:05:35]

[3:05:35] trees, possibly would be

[3:05:37] better.

[3:05:37] but again, my biggest objection

[3:05:42]

[3:05:42] is the speed tables and zipper

[3:05:46]

[3:05:46] ties, but having a path for

[3:05:48] bikes, that would be okay

[3:05:50] because I ride a bike quite a

[3:05:52] bit but I don't have any probl

[3:05:54] em

[3:05:54] riding bikes over on the east

[3:05:56] side of town and so forth and I

[3:05:58]

[3:05:58] have been riding for over 67

[3:05:59] years.

[3:05:59] over there haven't had any

[3:06:02] problems and as I said the

[3:06:04] speeding and so forth the data

[3:06:05]

[3:06:05] is too inconclusive and not too

[3:06:09]

[3:06:09] much to say it's directly

[3:06:10] related to a speed problem and

[3:06:13]

[3:06:13] so forth.

[3:06:13] but I hope you consider making

[3:06:16]

[3:06:16] the changes but some of the

[3:06:18] stuff which is zippers and the

[3:06:22]

[3:06:22] speed humps like I said that's

[3:06:23]

[3:06:23] my biggest complaint and so

[3:06:25] forth because if an emergency

[3:06:26] happened on the east side of

[3:06:27] town, it's going to be a probl

[3:06:30] em

[3:06:30] with all those people trying t

[3:06:31] o

[3:06:31] get out because it's only so

[3:06:34] many exits coming from the eas

[3:06:36] t

[3:06:36] side of town.

[3:06:37] 8th avenue, university avenue,

[3:06:40]

[3:06:40] 12th avenue.

[3:06:41] we used to have 10th avenue

[3:06:42] but it was closed off when the

[3:06:43] y

[3:06:43] put that little place down

[3:06:44] there.

[3:06:44] so a lot of people coming out o

[3:06:49] f

[3:06:49] east side of town -- not reall

[3:06:51] y

[3:06:51] going to benefit --

[3:06:52] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:06:52] >> we have dijon cane followed

[3:06:54]

[3:06:54] by pastor earnesteen butler and

[3:06:56]

[3:06:56] then corey brunson.

[3:06:58] >> mayor: welcome.

[3:06:58] >> all right, good afternoon,

[3:06:59] commission.

[3:06:59] I grew up on the east side.

[3:07:02] I'm running for commission in

[3:07:03] district 3, which is all of

[3:07:04] southwest.

[3:07:04] and I preach this all the time

[3:07:06]

[3:07:06] when you're from gainesville y

[3:07:08] ou

[3:07:08] know gainesville.

[3:07:09] and when I heard about this,I

[3:07:10] looked it up I was like wow

[3:07:12] that's crazy.

[3:07:12] I thought about the fune rlt

[3:07:15] best thing about -- funerals.

[3:07:17] let's think about how those

[3:07:18] funerals go -- you're going it

[3:07:21]

[3:07:21] take going to take tha

[3:07:24] t away.

[3:07:25] they ain't going to have

[3:07:27] anywhere to do the funerals an

[3:07:28] d

[3:07:28] the cars will not know where t

[3:07:29] o

[3:07:29] park.

[3:07:29] the other thing is the amount o

[3:07:31] f

[3:07:31] money you want to spend on this

[3:07:31]

[3:07:31] when we really don't need it,

[3:07:33] you could just do the

[3:07:34] reconstruction, we need a

[3:07:36] grocery store.

[3:07:37] we need better development.

[3:07:40] we need better things for the

[3:07:41] kids.we have programs called the

[3:07:43]

[3:07:43] outlet.

[3:07:43] all that stuff, the city did

[3:07:45] post-917 gainesville police

[3:07:49] explorers, other programs in

[3:07:50] this community, that's what we

[3:07:50]

[3:07:50] need.

[3:07:50] but if we going -- it amaze me

[3:07:53]

[3:07:53] that -- amazes me nat we that w

[3:07:57] e

[3:07:57] spend this kind of money hon

[3:07:59] this but we can't get a growsy

[3:08:00]

[3:08:00] store.

[3:08:00] that's a problem.

[3:08:03] many of you are like wow.

[3:08:04] no, it's the truth.

[3:08:05] when we say we want economic

[3:08:06] development, what do you reall

[3:08:07] y

[3:08:07] want?

[3:08:07] why are you really here?

[3:08:09] I know one commissioner can't d

[3:08:11] o

[3:08:11] it.

[3:08:11] because that's her district.

[3:08:12] but we got to work together to

[3:08:14]

[3:08:14] do it.

[3:08:15] because I'm going to tell you,

[3:08:16]

[3:08:16] this is a mess.

[3:08:17] but it's funny to me how we wan

[3:08:18] t

[3:08:18] to put this infrastructure in

[3:08:20] right now when we didn't care

[3:08:21] about it 20 years ago.

[3:08:25] time comes about change.

[3:08:26] but we got to be careful when

[3:08:28] we're spending this kind of

[3:08:29] money on this.

[3:08:31] when we need so much more in

[3:08:34] that community.

[3:08:35] and it's lacking because guess

[3:08:37]

[3:08:37] what?

[3:08:37] we have not made the investmen

[3:08:39] ts

[3:08:39] over the years.

[3:08:40] it ain't just this commission.

[3:08:42] blame you.

[3:08:44] it's past commissions, past

[3:08:46] problems.

[3:08:46] it is piled on top of each oth

[3:08:49] er

[3:08:49] and on top of each other and

[3:08:51] people are tired.

[3:08:52] these folks are tired.

[3:08:54] when is things going to change?

[3:08:56]

[3:08:56] when is it going to get better?

[3:08:58]

[3:08:58] I remember being, you know, in

[3:09:01] a

[3:09:01] black on black crime task force

[3:09:02]

[3:09:02] at 14, and we had this plan eas

[3:09:05] t

[3:09:05] gainesville they lied.

[3:09:06] we keep lying.

[3:09:07] when are we going to do what we

[3:09:09]

[3:09:09] need to do?

[3:09:09] when are we going to hear the

[3:09:10] need?

[3:09:10] when are we going to spark the

[3:09:13]

[3:09:13] change, and whether are we

[3:09:14] really -- when are we really

[3:09:16] going to serve the people and

[3:09:17] I'm going to tell you it is a

[3:09:19] big problem we haven't heard

[3:09:20] from the community.

[3:09:21] that won't happen on any other

[3:09:23]

[3:09:23] side of the town, so why is it

[3:09:24]

[3:09:24] happening with us?

[3:09:25] and I think that every

[3:09:26] commissioner up there should

[3:09:27] listen to what I'm saying.

[3:09:28] it don't happen on no other sid

[3:09:30] e

[3:09:30] of town.

[3:09:32] why is it happening on the

[3:09:34] east?

[3:09:34] so if you're really wanting to

[3:09:35]

[3:09:35] do your job, for the people and

[3:09:37]

[3:09:37] serve the people, vote this dow

[3:09:39] n

[3:09:39] today.

[3:09:39] and when they do the right job

[3:09:43]

[3:09:43] then we can come back and have a

[3:09:45]

[3:09:45] conversation.

[3:09:45] we're here for the people.

[3:09:46] you're not getting paid to get

[3:09:47]

[3:09:47] paid.

[3:09:47] you're working for the people.

[3:09:48]

[3:09:48] let's do it.

[3:09:49] it's not hard.

[3:09:50] so thank you very much.

[3:09:52] I look forward to you hearing

[3:09:53] the needs, serving the people,

[3:09:55]

[3:09:55] and sparking the change.

[3:09:56] something we're missing in thu

[3:09:57] s

[3:09:57] community.

[3:09:57] thank you very much.

[3:10:00] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:10:00] I do want to before anybody els

[3:10:01] e

[3:10:01] comes up I want to point out

[3:10:03] that it is right now a

[3:10:04] $2 million grant out to help

[3:10:06] folks who live in the community

[3:10:07] ,

[3:10:07] invest in that community.

[3:10:08] >> yes, mr. Mayor, I tote sale

[3:10:10]

[3:10:10] understand that and respect

[3:10:10] that.

[3:10:10] my only thing with that is gue

[3:10:13] ss

[3:10:13] what?

[3:10:13] it's a little late.

[3:10:14] we need more, I get you --

[3:10:15] >> mayor: if not now, when?

[3:10:18] >> I been asking you that

[3:10:19] question since I have 14 years

[3:10:20]

[3:10:20] old.

[3:10:20] >> if not now, when.

[3:10:22] >> mr. Mayor, with all due

[3:10:24] respect I have been asking tha

[3:10:25] t

[3:10:25] since I was 14, and --

[3:10:27] >> mayor: we're trying, for

[3:10:28] goodness sake.

[3:10:29] that's what we're doing.

[3:10:29] >> let's work together,

[3:10:30] mr. Mayor.

[3:10:31] >> mayor: come on.

[3:10:32] let's get some more folks

[3:10:33] talking.

[3:10:33] >> all right, we have pastor

[3:10:35] ernesteen butler followed by

[3:10:37] corey brunson and then mr. Kip

[3:10:39]

[3:10:39] hayes senior.

[3:10:40] >> mayor: welcome, pastor.

[3:10:41] >> hello.

[3:10:44] I've been sitting there for

[3:10:45] awhile little stiff.

[3:10:49] but the things that they're

[3:10:52] asking and talking about on

[3:10:54] 8th avenue as far as I too can

[3:10:58]

[3:10:58] talk about lots more that we

[3:11:01] need on 8th avenue.

[3:11:02] but right now I will focus on

[3:11:08] the transportation, the streets,

[3:11:09]

[3:11:09] the things that are happening

[3:11:11] right now.

[3:11:13] and right now one of the thing

[3:11:15] s

[3:11:15] that I'm seriously against is

[3:11:18] the bicycle lane.

[3:11:20] yes, we ride our bicycle.

[3:11:23] I have a tricycle, and y ride I

[3:11:26] t

[3:11:26] on the -- I ride it on the

[3:11:27] sidewalk.

[3:11:27] so yes, that's what we do.

[3:11:32] I did sit no one else have any

[3:11:36]

[3:11:36] data on how many bicycles that

[3:11:38]

[3:11:38] go from 8th avenue down.

[3:11:40] well guess what?

[3:11:41] I was sitting there and every

[3:11:45] night then at antioch where

[3:11:46] they're talking about, I sat

[3:11:48] there and every now and then I

[3:11:50]

[3:11:50] would say there is a bicycle.

[3:11:51] there is a bicycle.

[3:11:54] I think I counted about two,

[3:11:58] ipabout a in about a wee

[3:12:03] k's time

[3:12:03] of people riding their bicycle

[3:12:07] s

[3:12:07] out there.

[3:12:08] other than that, there was n

[3:12:09] and as far as the trees are

[3:12:11] concerned -- I love trees.

[3:12:14] I garden.

[3:12:15] I love trees.

[3:12:17] but a water oak is different.

[3:12:23] the leaves are slippery when

[3:12:25] wet.

[3:12:25] how many times I've almost

[3:12:29] slipped down just walking acros

[3:12:32] s

[3:12:32] the street because of the leave

[3:12:34] s

[3:12:34] and no, we don't have them

[3:12:36] coming cleaning as often.

[3:12:39] so those oak trees, now they're

[3:12:43]

[3:12:43] water oaks, plant something

[3:12:46] else.

[3:12:46] some other kind of trees like

[3:12:49] they have on the other side on

[3:12:52]

[3:12:52] west side.

[3:12:53] they have different types of

[3:12:53] trees.

[3:12:53] they don't have water oaks.

[3:12:56] we do.

[3:12:58] and yes, I was sitting there,

[3:13:00] and all of a sudden this limb

[3:13:03] big limb green fell.

[3:13:07] it was like, why?

[3:13:11] limb was still green but it

[3:13:13] fell.

[3:13:13] big limb.

[3:13:15] I'm not talking about a little

[3:13:16]

[3:13:16] twig.

[3:13:16] so therefore, yeah, there is a

[3:13:20]

[3:13:20] lot of things that are

[3:13:22] happening.

[3:13:22] no one here would disagree tha

[3:13:27] t

[3:13:27] it need to be paved or

[3:13:29] surfaced.

[3:13:29] no one because I'm trying to

[3:13:35] dodge potholes as I drive along

[3:13:38] ,

[3:13:38] and to come and just patch one

[3:13:40]

[3:13:40] here and patch one there is a

[3:13:43] mess.

[3:13:43] and since I am a pastor and I d

[3:13:45] o

[3:13:45] go to church not that -- is not

[3:13:48]

[3:13:48] my church, but I've had to do

[3:13:50] funerals there, can you imagine

[3:13:53]

[3:13:53] if we had to bring the body

[3:13:56] around the back because of tho

[3:13:57] se

[3:13:57] big ugly zippers?

[3:14:00] parked out front of the church,

[3:14:03]

[3:14:03] and by the way, I was born and

[3:14:06]

[3:14:06] raised on off of 5th avenue.

[3:14:09] I literally got lost the other

[3:14:12]

[3:14:12] day, and I was riding in a

[3:14:14] bicycle lane, didn't, it was

[3:14:18] like my god, then I had to go

[3:14:22] down the wrong road, turn, and

[3:14:24] I

[3:14:25] literally didn't know how to g

[3:14:27] et

[3:14:27] back to the new restaurant

[3:14:28] that's down 5th avenue.

[3:14:31] I didn't know how to get back.

[3:14:33]

[3:14:33] it was like it's too many littl

[3:14:36] e

[3:14:36] one-way little things, and I w

[3:14:38] as

[3:14:38] like, but I was born and raise

[3:14:40] d

[3:14:40] here.

[3:14:40] no one told me, no one did

[3:14:45] anything, and yes we're still

[3:14:46] going through that shock of

[3:14:51] having the street redone from

[3:14:56] west of main street.

[3:14:58] >> mayor: I'm going to ask you

[3:15:00]

[3:15:00] to wrap up, please.

[3:15:01] >> west of main street.

[3:15:02] so no, I disagree with them

[3:15:04] changing things on east --

[3:15:10] >> mayor: so again, I'm going to

[3:15:11]

[3:15:11] be clear that we're not voting

[3:15:13]

[3:15:13] to -- there won't be a vote

[3:15:14] today to do anything.

[3:15:20] >> [off mic]

[3:15:21] we don't like it.

[3:15:23] >> mayor: yes, ma'am, that's

[3:15:24] what we're here to hear, not t

[3:15:27] o

[3:15:27] decide how to vote on it because there's

[3:15:29] there's no vote today on pavin

[3:15:30] g

[3:15:30] it or on adding speed bumps or

[3:15:33]

[3:15:33] anything else.

[3:15:33] who's next.

[3:15:34] >> we have corey brunson

[3:15:36] followed by kip hayes and ryan

[3:15:38]

[3:15:38] undine who is the last one on

[3:15:40] the list.

[3:15:41] >> mayor: welcome.

[3:15:42] >> hi.

[3:15:43] corey brunson, and just speaking

[3:15:44]

[3:15:44] for myself, I also was confused

[3:15:51]

[3:15:51] when reading the item on the

[3:15:53] agenda a couple of days ago or

[3:15:55] a

[3:15:55] few days ago in that it looked

[3:15:57]

[3:15:57] like something was about to be

[3:15:58]

[3:15:58] decided that I had not been

[3:15:59] aware of for quite sometime, a

[3:16:01] nd

[3:16:01] sent a kind of frantic email

[3:16:02] suggesting this needs to be

[3:16:04] considered alongside the options

[3:16:06]

[3:16:06] that are proposed in this

[3:16:08] report.

[3:16:08] and so I want to apologize for

[3:16:11]

[3:16:11] acting like I was trying to mak

[3:16:12] e

[3:16:12] a recommendation to do this

[3:16:14] instead of that.

[3:16:15] I am glad that this is an

[3:16:17] ongoing conversation.

[3:16:19] and so I want to emphasize tha

[3:16:22] t

[3:16:22] I think what I'm going to speak

[3:16:23] ,

[3:16:23] what I'm going to say is more

[3:16:25] towards the procedural than

[3:16:27] towards the infrastructural.

[3:16:30] the community needs to exert the

[3:16:32]

[3:16:32] greatest influence on how this

[3:16:33]

[3:16:33] resurfacing is done.

[3:16:35] but the -- but the procedure

[3:16:37] sets a precedent that the whole

[3:16:39]

[3:16:39] city is eventually going to fee

[3:16:41] l

[3:16:41] the impact of.

[3:16:43] one thing to be aware of is tha

[3:16:46] t

[3:16:46] narrowing car lanes from 11 to

[3:16:48]

[3:16:48] 10 feet, from 10 to 9 feet,

[3:16:50] reduces speeds, which prevents

[3:16:53]

[3:16:53] injury, reduces injury, even if

[3:16:55]

[3:16:55] it doesn't reduce number of

[3:16:56] crashes.

[3:16:56] motorists can be spect expecte

[3:17:01] d

[3:17:01] to drive the streets facilitat

[3:17:04] ed

[3:17:04] by the street and road design,

[3:17:05]

[3:17:05] more lively than the posted

[3:17:06] speed limits.

[3:17:07] we've seen evidence of that.

[3:17:08] and I would say the city stree

[3:17:10] ts

[3:17:10] nee to be appropriately narrowed

[3:17:13]

[3:17:13] if they are wider than necessa

[3:17:15] ry

[3:17:15] in general regardless of the

[3:17:17] impacts of pedestrian -- on

[3:17:18] pedestrians and cyclists.

[3:17:21] speaking as a cyclist, bicycli

[3:17:23] ng

[3:17:23] may not be may not expand at a

[3:17:28]

[3:17:28] appreciable rate unless or unt

[3:17:31] il

[3:17:31] the infrastructure is improved.

[3:17:34]

[3:17:34] but e-cycling, microtransits,

[3:17:37] are going to expand regardless

[3:17:39]

[3:17:39] because they are convenient for

[3:17:41]

[3:17:41] people who can't or won't put

[3:17:42] themselves in traffic at a

[3:17:44] relatively low speed bicycle.

[3:17:47] and so infrastructure

[3:17:49] redevelopment needs to

[3:17:50] accommodate at least these thr

[3:17:54] ee

[3:17:54] tiers.

[3:17:54] when you separate at the very

[3:17:56] least we need to separate

[3:17:57] pedestrians from e-bikes.

[3:17:59] and that can't be safely done b

[3:18:01] y

[3:18:01] forcing e-bikes and cyclists

[3:18:03] into the same lanes as traffic

[3:18:04] .

[3:18:04] as car traffic.

[3:18:08] my suggestions were just to

[3:18:10] narrow the lanes by a foot or

[3:18:11] two in each direction, which

[3:18:13] would admit plenty of buffers

[3:18:15] separating a two-way bike path

[3:18:19]

[3:18:19] which would then reduce the

[3:18:20] number of zippers by about hal

[3:18:22] f,

[3:18:22] the number of -- and cyclists b

[3:18:29] y

[3:18:29] half by putting all the bike

[3:18:30] infrastructure on one side of

[3:18:32] the road.

[3:18:35] and make it more inviting to

[3:18:37] people riding together.

[3:18:40] ideally incre use.

[3:18:46] >> mayor: ask you to wrap up,

[3:18:46] please.

[3:18:46] >> that'll be fine.

[3:18:48] I'll wrap up there.

[3:18:49] thank you.

[3:18:49] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:18:51] >> mr. Kip hayes senior,

[3:18:53] followed by ryan undine.

[3:18:55] >> mayor: welcome, mr. Hayes.

[3:18:56] >> thank you.

[3:18:58] thank you for having me.

[3:19:01] make this brief.

[3:19:02] I'm a property owner of

[3:19:05] property, I have property on the

[3:19:07]

[3:19:07] corridor of east gainesville

[3:19:09] duval area.

[3:19:10] and I own what's called the

[3:19:12] slab.

[3:19:12] I own the two-story building

[3:19:15] that used to be russell henry's

[3:19:17]

[3:19:17] barber shop.

[3:19:18] I own the property between the

[3:19:21]

[3:19:21] me and the church of unity.

[3:19:23] we split the lot.

[3:19:23] I own 10 other slots behind the

[3:19:26]

[3:19:26] slab and behind the other

[3:19:27] building itself.

[3:19:31] I just got my permits to build

[3:19:34] ,

[3:19:34] to build out the russell henry

[3:19:37]

[3:19:37] building to a restaurant to a

[3:19:40] food downstairs.

[3:19:43] also applying for the grant to

[3:19:46]

[3:19:46] redo the slab and some of the

[3:19:48] parcels behind the slap to put

[3:19:51] a

[3:19:51] small convenient grocery store

[3:19:53]

[3:19:53] there.

[3:19:53] right?

[3:19:53] with a pharmacy because we got

[3:19:56] a

[3:19:56] lot of people in duval, you

[3:19:58] know, that need to get to a

[3:20:00] pharmacy that's not I think it'

[3:20:01] s

[3:20:01] either wal-mart or cvs.

[3:20:03] so we also need to do something

[3:20:05]

[3:20:05] about the store that's next do

[3:20:07] or

[3:20:07] to the slab, it's on that

[3:20:10] corridor as well.

[3:20:12] and I figure if we put a bette

[3:20:16] r

[3:20:16] product on 8th avenue, better

[3:20:20] services, better sort of a

[3:20:23] better convenience store but a

[3:20:24]

[3:20:24] small grocery store, it will

[3:20:27] eliminate a lot of the things

[3:20:28] going on at that store.

[3:20:29] I'm saying all that because the

[3:20:30]

[3:20:30] bike lanes even in the future

[3:20:34] with the traffic that this

[3:20:35] particular project that I'm

[3:20:36] working on is, that I'm

[3:20:37] developing, there would be no

[3:20:40] need, there would be no room for

[3:20:42]

[3:20:42] a bike lane with the traffic

[3:20:43] that's going to increase with

[3:20:45] the businesses that I'm trying

[3:20:46]

[3:20:46] to set up there.

[3:20:48] right?

[3:20:48] I agree with the resurfacing.

[3:20:52] and I agree with that

[3:20:53] wholeheartedly.

[3:20:53] we been needing that.

[3:20:55] but as far as adding bike lanes

[3:20:59] ,

[3:20:59] now or in the future, to what I

[3:21:01]

[3:21:01] plan on doing, over there as fa

[3:21:04] r

[3:21:04] as enhancing that community,

[3:21:06] putting a better product out

[3:21:07] there, having a better service

[3:21:10]

[3:21:10] for the community itself, I

[3:21:14] don't see how that's going to

[3:21:15] work.

[3:21:15] I'm from that area.

[3:21:17] I grew up in that area.

[3:21:18] I grew up in duval.

[3:21:20] my mom still lives over there.

[3:21:21]

[3:21:21] I'm -- the people in the --

[3:21:23] sitting behind me they see me

[3:21:24] over there every day cleaning u

[3:21:26] p

[3:21:26] that property.

[3:21:26] cleared those lots, those, the

[3:21:29]

[3:21:29] trees, the bushes, overbrush,

[3:21:32] all that stuff.

[3:21:32] I did all that with my own dim

[3:21:33] e,

[3:21:33] I bought this property with my

[3:21:34]

[3:21:34] own money.

[3:21:35] so I invested my own money int

[3:21:37] o

[3:21:37] this area because this is my

[3:21:39] area.

[3:21:39] this is my property.

[3:21:41] I hate to see what's going on

[3:21:42] over there, but I'm one man.

[3:21:45] if the city really wants to

[3:21:46] help, help me put a grocery

[3:21:47] store on my property.

[3:21:48] help me develop it.

[3:21:49] help me hire -- you know,

[3:21:51] whatever you want to do, as fa

[3:21:53] r

[3:21:53] as developing that area, getti

[3:21:54] ng

[3:21:54] rid of the slab, and running

[3:21:56] that convenience store out of

[3:21:57] business because I don't think

[3:21:58]

[3:21:58] they can be bought out, so let

[3:22:01] 's

[3:22:01] do that.

[3:22:02] thank you.

[3:22:04] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:22:05] >> brian undine.

[3:22:08] >> question for him.

[3:22:09] >> mayor: hold on.

[3:22:09] just a minute, mr. Hayes.

[3:22:10] come back up.

[3:22:11] we have a question for you.

[3:22:14] commissioner chestnut.

[3:22:14] >> thank you.

[3:22:15] thank you, mr. Hayes.

[3:22:16] it sounds like you are taking

[3:22:17] advantage of the grant that the

[3:22:20]

[3:22:20] city --

[3:22:20] >> yes, ma'am, I have a --

[3:22:22] >> made available --

[3:22:23] >> yes, ma'am, I have a grant

[3:22:24] writer on it right now.

[3:22:24] we're going to submit it in the

[3:22:25]

[3:22:25] next couple of days hopefully t

[3:22:27] o

[3:22:27] help with the slab part and some

[3:22:31]

[3:22:31] facade work on the russell hen

[3:22:32] ry

[3:22:32] building as well.

[3:22:34] I just was permitted, thanks t

[3:22:37] o

[3:22:37] the andrew persons in the offic

[3:22:38] e

[3:22:38] really helping me get my permi

[3:22:40] ts

[3:22:40] and stuff going through and

[3:22:42] commissioner desmon.

[3:22:43] they really helped me because

[3:22:45] this permit with the building

[3:22:47] department took a year.

[3:22:50] and then gun violence helped m

[3:22:51] e

[3:22:51] up a year on the wastewater --

[3:22:53]

[3:22:53] gru helped help held me up

[3:22:55] a

[3:22:55] year on the wastewater.

[3:22:56] when I got them involved, when

[3:22:58] I

[3:22:58] got mr. Persons involved and

[3:23:06] commissioner duncan-walker

[3:23:07] involved, I got my permits.

[3:23:09] I got my permits last month and

[3:23:11]

[3:23:11] now they comup with the grant,

[3:23:13]

[3:23:13] so I slowed down on what I was

[3:23:15]

[3:23:15] doing because I'm spending my

[3:23:16] own money like I say to apply

[3:23:17] for some of that money as well

[3:23:19]

[3:23:19] because I believe if we put a

[3:23:20] pharmacy over there with a nic

[3:23:22] e

[3:23:22] little grocery store, it doesn

[3:23:24] 't

[3:23:24] have to be really big.

[3:23:25] it just has to be what the

[3:23:26] community needs and a pharmacy

[3:23:27]

[3:23:27] in that put it over there, man

[3:23:29] ,

[3:23:29] and I think we'll do real well.

[3:23:30]

[3:23:30] I think that it'll change the

[3:23:32] way it looks.

[3:23:33] and the way it feels walking

[3:23:35] down the street of east

[3:23:36] gainesville.

[3:23:36] it doesn't feel good, doesn't

[3:23:39] feel safe.

[3:23:39] you know, I'm over there all t

[3:23:41] he

[3:23:41] time and I'm like it's just

[3:23:43] don't feel right, don't feel

[3:23:44] like home and it's supposed to

[3:23:47]

[3:23:47] be my home, you know?

[3:23:48] >> well, I want to thank you f

[3:23:50] or

[3:23:50] your due diligence and being

[3:23:53] steady and applying for the

[3:23:54] grant.

[3:23:54] >> thank you.

[3:23:55] >> so thank you.

[3:23:55] >> thank you too.

[3:23:56] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:23:57] commissioner chestnut, and the

[3:23:59] n

[3:23:59] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:24:01] >> mr. Mayor, mine is just

[3:24:02] simply a comment.

[3:24:03] I wanted to also thank you,

[3:24:05] mr. Hayes.

[3:24:06] we've had numerous conversatio

[3:24:08] ns

[3:24:08] over quite sometime now with

[3:24:10] regards to the type of

[3:24:12] innovation that you want to

[3:24:13] bring to that area that is, tha

[3:24:16] t

[3:24:16] is different, and I think

[3:24:18] colleagues expect to hear from

[3:24:20]

[3:24:20] him based on a much more recen

[3:24:23] t

[3:24:23] conversation and a more formal

[3:24:25]

[3:24:25] way in terms of a different typ

[3:24:25] e

[3:24:25] of proposal that will also

[3:24:28] impact that area, and so that'

[3:24:29] s

[3:24:29] why this conversation is so

[3:24:30] important.

[3:24:30] I'll conclude right here but

[3:24:33] just to be on the look out for

[3:24:34]

[3:24:34] something that I believe is

[3:24:35] coming forward.

[3:24:37] I think andrew I mentioned it t

[3:24:38] o

[3:24:38] you as well, so thank you once

[3:24:41]

[3:24:41] again, mr. Hayes, for trying to

[3:24:44]

[3:24:44] be a part of the solution with

[3:24:46]

[3:24:46] regards toic economic

[3:24:49] development on 8th avenue.you.

[3:24:50]

[3:24:50] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:24:51] commissioner duncan-walker --

[3:24:55] >> I d't have a lot to say.

[3:24:56] so thank you for resurfacing

[3:24:59] that road that is fan fastic,

[3:25:01] well needed, fixing the

[3:25:02] sidewalk, that will be great.

[3:25:04] I would like to point out that

[3:25:05]

[3:25:05] you're seeing differences in

[3:25:06] speeding from west of waldo,

[3:25:09] they're totally different.

[3:25:10] totally different neighbors and

[3:25:11]

[3:25:11] smrkt east of waldo is totally

[3:25:13]

[3:25:13] different than any other secti

[3:25:15] on

[3:25:15] of 8th avenue because it's a

[3:25:17] neighborhood.

[3:25:17] that's a neighborhood street.

[3:25:19] the reason you're seeing those

[3:25:21]

[3:25:21] speeds is because people are

[3:25:22] coming down waldo road and

[3:25:23] trying to dodge that

[3:25:25] intersection and they come dow

[3:25:26] n,

[3:25:26] they turn right, and they fly

[3:25:27] down that road.

[3:25:29] I live on the corner, I own my

[3:25:31]

[3:25:31] home on the corner of 23rd

[3:25:33] street and 8th avenue.

[3:25:34] that's where I live.

[3:25:35] we don't have a sidewalk there

[3:25:37] .

[3:25:37] don't care.

[3:25:37] it can come in and not come in,

[3:25:40]

[3:25:40] I don't care.

[3:25:40] the crosswalks is a great idea,

[3:25:42]

[3:25:42] as long as you're not ticketing

[3:25:43]

[3:25:43] people that don't use them

[3:25:44] because it's a neighborhood

[3:25:45] street.

[3:25:45] people are going to want to go

[3:25:47]

[3:25:47] back and forth, right?

[3:25:48] it is a neighborhood.

[3:25:49] having no intralines telling u

[3:25:52] s

[3:25:52] how -- extra lines telling us

[3:25:55] how we have to use the road is

[3:25:56]

[3:25:56] okay with us.

[3:25:57] if you want to cut down the

[3:25:59] speed, you have to deter peopl

[3:26:01] e

[3:26:01] from trying to use that as a c

[3:26:03] ut

[3:26:03] through.

[3:26:03] as far as those trees go, those

[3:26:05]

[3:26:05] trees can be beautiful healthy

[3:26:06]

[3:26:06] trees water oak or not.

[3:26:08] they are designed to get heavy

[3:26:09]

[3:26:09] with acorns, load up and break

[3:26:11] ,

[3:26:11] and fall down.

[3:26:13] that's how they're evolved and

[3:26:15]

[3:26:15] if we're cutting these close t

[3:26:18] o

[3:26:18] the trunk they are going to hav

[3:26:18] e

[3:26:18] rot problems.

[3:26:19] and that's the problem we have

[3:26:21] .

[3:26:21] you send in city crews and

[3:26:23] they're destroying the trees.

[3:26:24] they get unhealthy and are goi

[3:26:25] ng

[3:26:25] to fall.

[3:26:27] I think I said everything.

[3:26:29] oh it food store, yeah.

[3:26:32] if we have accidents on the

[3:26:33] street people getting hit and

[3:26:35] killed that's because they're

[3:26:36] coming from across the street

[3:26:37] of

[3:26:37] the food store stumbling to th

[3:26:38] e

[3:26:38] clarence thomas center and sit

[3:26:41]

[3:26:41] down and do whatever.

[3:26:42] I can't even go to that park no

[3:26:43]

[3:26:43] more, right wmy daughter.

[3:26:44] I have a 6-year-old daughter.

[3:26:46] that's another thing.

[3:26:46] kids on the street, that's whe

[3:26:48] re

[3:26:48] I taught her to ride her bike.

[3:26:50]

[3:26:50] not on that street.

[3:26:50] we don't go on 8th avenue to

[3:26:52] go on that street, all right?

[3:26:53] if we start putting lines on

[3:26:55] there, we got extra laws and

[3:26:56] extra enforcement and we alrea

[3:26:57] dy

[3:26:57] have predatory police trying t

[3:26:59] o

[3:26:59] fill quotas watching for

[3:27:01] teenagers driving slow.

[3:27:02] so please, like we don't need a

[3:27:03]

[3:27:03] bunch of extra lines.

[3:27:04] it's just a neighborhood.

[3:27:06] do you want extra lines on the

[3:27:07]

[3:27:07] road outside of your house?

[3:27:09] probably not.

[3:27:10] probably not.

[3:27:11] so I hope y'all have a great

[3:27:12] day.

[3:27:12] god bless.

[3:27:13] thank you.

[3:27:14] for fixing it and next time I

[3:27:15] see you I'll probably be angry

[3:27:16] ,

[3:27:16] who knows, I'm crazy, right?

[3:27:18] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:27:18] >> we did have another sign up,

[3:27:21]

[3:27:21] arb armando grundy gomez.

[3:27:24] >> welcome, mr. Gundy.

[3:27:25] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:27:26] armando grundy gomez.

[3:27:27] I guess I want to do a contrac

[3:27:29] ts

[3:27:29] when it comes -- contrast when

[3:27:31]

[3:27:31] it comes to public works

[3:27:32] projects of this nature when I

[3:27:33] t

[3:27:33] comes to quote, unquote,

[3:27:35] complete streets.

[3:27:35] I remember the last time a few

[3:27:37]

[3:27:37] iterations ago a few years ago

[3:27:38]

[3:27:38] when we talk about complete

[3:27:39] streets, we talk about

[3:27:40] university avenue which also

[3:27:42] goes also into our community a

[3:27:43] nd

[3:27:43] district 1.

[3:27:44] and in that during that

[3:27:46] conversation and that time, the

[3:27:48]

[3:27:48] only real section of university

[3:27:49]

[3:27:49] avenue that's really a complete

[3:27:51]

[3:27:51] street is in and around and by

[3:27:53]

[3:27:53] the definition of a complete

[3:27:54] street, I'm talking about for

[3:27:55] the department of transportatio

[3:27:56] n

[3:27:56] and what civil engineers will

[3:27:58] recognize as you having a mu

[3:27:59] multimodal pedestrian friendly

[3:28:02]

[3:28:02] slowing down of traffic,

[3:28:03] et cetera, you have that in and

[3:28:05]

[3:28:05] around the university but if yo

[3:28:06] u

[3:28:06] have it down in district 1, pas

[3:28:09] t

[3:28:09] waldo road you don't pretty muc

[3:28:10] h

[3:28:10] you don't see that too much.

[3:28:12] you don't see it slowing down.

[3:28:14]

[3:28:14] of course we have traffic death

[3:28:15] s

[3:28:15] but we also have traffic deaths

[3:28:17]

[3:28:17] in district 1 too.

[3:28:18] so I just find it interesting

[3:28:19] that we're having the tale of

[3:28:22] two streets.

[3:28:24] so it I guess I want to

[3:28:26] understand where all this energ

[3:28:27]

[3:28:27] is coming from to want to have

[3:28:32]

[3:28:32] this -- one person would say

[3:28:34] we're resurfacing it.

[3:28:35] is that really the reiteration

[3:28:37]

[3:28:37] of why we're doing this?

[3:28:39] of course we want to have bike

[3:28:40]

[3:28:40] lanes and they're good, but if

[3:28:41]

[3:28:41] that was the case why didn't w

[3:28:44] e

[3:28:44] complete university avenue all

[3:28:45]

[3:28:45] the way down too and make it a

[3:28:47]

[3:28:47] real complete street?

[3:28:47] because it is the same

[3:28:48] university avenue if I turn off

[3:28:49]

[3:28:49] of williston road and turn lef

[3:28:51] t,

[3:28:51] and go toward university of

[3:28:53] florida, it's not a complete

[3:28:54] street when you come off

[3:28:58] williston road.

[3:29:01] oh urmy, my my god it slo

[3:29:04] ws down

[3:29:05] and is beautiful and wonderful

[3:29:06]

[3:29:06] and gorgeous.

[3:29:07] so that would be my question why

[3:29:09]

[3:29:09] now.

[3:29:09] where is all this and it's not

[3:29:10]

[3:29:10] simply because we're resurfacing

[3:29:13]

[3:29:13] it.

[3:29:13] make it make sense.

[3:29:19] and what's the total cost of

[3:29:21] this?

[3:29:21] so but what we would be great I

[3:29:24] s

[3:29:24] when we're having the

[3:29:25] conversation about the 8th and

[3:29:27]

[3:29:27] waldo road project is why is

[3:29:28] waldo road looking the same as

[3:29:29]

[3:29:29] it has for 40 years, why are w

[3:29:31] e

[3:29:31] not having real economic

[3:29:33] investment in economic in that

[3:29:35]

[3:29:35] corridor, real economic

[3:29:36] investment.

[3:29:36] I'm not talking about parts and

[3:29:38]

[3:29:38] piece3450e8ing we're doing

[3:29:40] street cafes with gcra money.

[3:29:44] I want to have real

[3:29:45] conversations about what we ca

[3:29:46] n

[3:29:46] do to have meaningful impact in

[3:29:49]

[3:29:49] the community that sees

[3:29:51] disinvestment from you and not

[3:29:52]

[3:29:52] real investment.

[3:29:52] thank you so much.

[3:29:53] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:29:54] mr. Grundy.

[3:29:55] I do want to point out we have

[3:29:56]

[3:29:56] been trying to get the funds

[3:29:58] released to do the similar wor

[3:30:00] k

[3:30:00] on the east end of university

[3:30:03] avenue that fdot released to d

[3:30:06] o

[3:30:06] in front of the university of

[3:30:07] florida for a number of years,

[3:30:09]

[3:30:09] some of those times while you

[3:30:10] were sitting in the room,

[3:30:11] mr. Grundy.

[3:30:13] but I would love to be able to

[3:30:15]

[3:30:15] get a safer east university

[3:30:17] avenue as I'm on the record

[3:30:19] voting for a number of times.

[3:30:20] so thank you for that.

[3:30:22] anyone else?

[3:30:23] >> [off mic]

[3:30:25] >> mayor: okay.

[3:30:26] as we move forward, I want to

[3:30:28] let everybody know that unless

[3:30:31]

[3:30:31] there is a objection we're goi

[3:30:34] ng

[3:30:34] to move the two land use -- th

[3:30:36] e

[3:30:36] land use and zoning item forwa

[3:30:38] rd

[3:30:38] to the end of the agenda becau

[3:30:39] se

[3:30:39] we clearly don't have time for

[3:30:40]

[3:30:40] them this afternoon.

[3:30:44] and again, what we're talking

[3:30:45] about here is where do we go

[3:30:49] forward as far as more, more

[3:30:51] engagement and more planning, w

[3:30:54] e

[3:30:54] have not had the opportunity t

[3:30:57] o

[3:30:57] have funding available to do

[3:31:00] anything yet as we've said fro

[3:31:01] m

[3:31:01] the beginning of this item.

[3:31:03] so I don't want anybody to thin

[3:31:05] k

[3:31:05] once again that we are in the

[3:31:06] process of rolling out

[3:31:10] crosswalks and all that sort o

[3:31:11] f

[3:31:11] thing right now because it's n

[3:31:13] ot

[3:31:13] funded at this point.

[3:31:16] many, many lights.

[3:31:17] before we move on from this

[3:31:19] item, so commissioner ingle.

[3:31:23] >> I would like to make a motio

[3:31:24] n

[3:31:24] his item until there

[3:31:26] has been community input.

[3:31:29] >> second.

[3:31:30] >> mayor: would

[3:31:31] >> would the maker of the

[3:31:33] motion -- well, let me just say

[3:31:35]

[3:31:35] this.

[3:31:35] I'm speaking out of turn.

[3:31:36] >> mayor: go ahead, it's all

[3:31:37] right.

[3:31:37] >> in the interest of clarity

[3:31:40] I'm going to convene a meeting

[3:31:44]

[3:31:44] as the district 1 commissioner.

[3:31:45]

[3:31:45] I I am going to convene a

[3:31:47] meeting.

[3:31:47] it is something that I've

[3:31:49] already mentioned to staff.

[3:31:52] because there is a certain way

[3:31:53]

[3:31:53] that I know that I can convene

[3:31:55] a

[3:31:55] meeting.

[3:31:55] there are certain things that

[3:31:56] are important to me about the

[3:31:57] way that these meetings should

[3:31:58]

[3:31:58] go but also it's important to m

[3:32:02] e

[3:32:02] that I can convene this.

[3:32:04] understand that when I say I'm

[3:32:05]

[3:32:05] going to convene the meeting t

[3:32:06] he

[3:32:06] meeting that I'm talking about

[3:32:07]

[3:32:07] is going to be very similar to

[3:32:10]

[3:32:10] what we did over at cone park a

[3:32:12]

[3:32:12] couple of weeks ago and it will

[3:32:13]

[3:32:13] be a robust experience, not jus

[3:32:16] t

[3:32:16] where you're being provided

[3:32:18] information, but where you wil

[3:32:20] l

[3:32:20] have the opportunity to speak

[3:32:21] because that's the whole point

[3:32:23] .

[3:32:23] so I'm sorry I was going to ask

[3:32:26]

[3:32:26] you to add something to that a

[3:32:28] nd

[3:32:28] I don't think I need to in lig

[3:32:29] ht

[3:32:29] of that.

[3:32:29] >> all right.

[3:32:30] >> mayor: all right.

[3:32:31] you good, commissioner

[3:32:32] duncan-walker?

[3:32:32] >> I think so.

[3:32:33] >> mayor: all right.

[3:32:34] commissioner willits.

[3:32:37] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:32:37] can staff just read from our

[3:32:39] comp plan why it is that we're

[3:32:40]

[3:32:40] doing this?

[3:32:43] can it be read just so it's

[3:32:44] clear?

[3:32:44] I can't find it searching comp

[3:32:46]

[3:32:46] plan.

[3:32:46] or comp plan specifically says

[3:32:48]

[3:32:48] when we resurface, I'm trying t

[3:32:51] o

[3:32:51] remember the type of road, but

[3:32:53]

[3:32:53] there's a specific type of roa

[3:32:54] d

[3:32:54] that when we go to resurface I

[3:32:56] t,

[3:32:56] we must begin this process of

[3:32:59] considering, correct?

[3:33:02] bike lanes, safety improvement

[3:33:03]

[3:33:03] whether that's I think it's the

[3:33:08]

[3:33:08] whole that's why it's here

[3:33:10] because if we weren't

[3:33:11] resurfacing this would never

[3:33:12] come up, right?

[3:33:15] so--

[3:33:15] >> chase -- city engineer.

[3:33:18] I apologize I don't have the

[3:33:19] specific comp plan right here.

[3:33:20]

[3:33:20] I do have the engineering desig

[3:33:22] n

[3:33:22] and construction manual.

[3:33:25] >> forget -- I typically say

[3:33:26] comp plan because comp plan

[3:33:27] references a, does it not

[3:33:29] reference the design and

[3:33:31] construction manual, the edm?

[3:33:35] roughly that's how I

[3:33:36] understand -- I said comp plan

[3:33:37]

[3:33:37] so it references.

[3:33:38] somewhere there is written

[3:33:39] policy that says when we go

[3:33:41] forward before we go spending a

[3:33:44]

[3:33:44] bunch of money on paving let's

[3:33:45]

[3:33:45] look and see if the thing we

[3:33:47] missed 20 years ago needs to be

[3:33:48]

[3:33:48] done today.

[3:33:51] >> yes, in general so

[3:33:53] transportation element

[3:33:55] underneath the comprehensive

[3:33:55] plan, and then the bicycle

[3:33:57] facilities underneath our edcm

[3:33:59]

[3:33:59] references pretty close to the

[3:34:01]

[3:34:01] same language but it's bicycle

[3:34:03]

[3:34:03] facilities shall be provided o

[3:34:04] n

[3:34:04] resurfacing projects if

[3:34:05] sufficient right-of-way and/or

[3:34:07]

[3:34:07] pavement with width exists a

[3:34:10] nd

[3:34:10] on all new roadways and then I

[3:34:12] t

[3:34:12] references nacto or bike way

[3:34:16] standards, et cetera,

[3:34:17] et cetera.

[3:34:18] and it goes into a little bit

[3:34:20] more detail from there.

[3:34:22] >> thank you.

[3:34:22] I wanted to clarify that's why

[3:34:23]

[3:34:23] we're here.

[3:34:24] I agree there is way more

[3:34:25] conversation.

[3:34:25] I'm still a little confused by

[3:34:26]

[3:34:26] the motion often because it's

[3:34:29] sometimes we're doing contracts,

[3:34:30]

[3:34:30] sometimes we're doing, whateve

[3:34:33] r,

[3:34:33] 90% plans.

[3:34:34] what does proceed with the

[3:34:35] design and permitting of

[3:34:36] northeast 8th avenue

[3:34:37] resurfacing project from waldo

[3:34:39]

[3:34:39] to the western property line o

[3:34:41] f

[3:34:41] loftin high school with the

[3:34:42] scope as recommended mean?

[3:34:44] >> mayor: we're not doing it

[3:34:46] anyway.

[3:34:46] it's not a motion --

[3:34:49] >> okay, because I want to know

[3:34:50]

[3:34:50] the original motion.

[3:34:51] that's right.

[3:34:53] >> only one motion.

[3:34:54] >> you're right.

[3:34:55] forgive me.

[3:34:57] and so the last thing I will s

[3:34:58] ay

[3:34:58] is like, just in the future lik

[3:35:01] e

[3:35:01] I said the easy cheap option I

[3:35:04] s

[3:35:04] literally a line of parking

[3:35:05] either on the north or the sou

[3:35:06] th

[3:35:06] side of 8th from waldo out

[3:35:09] however far.

[3:35:10] which does allow churches to d

[3:35:13] o

[3:35:13] what they need to do with more

[3:35:14]

[3:35:14] flexible street and would allow

[3:35:15]

[3:35:15] potential businesses.

[3:35:17] I always envision that corner

[3:35:18] anywhere between 15, 17th,

[3:35:20] 18th as being an idea of our

[3:35:22] grant program was it's mixed u

[3:35:24] se

[3:35:24] sort of commercial maybe theywa

[3:35:27] nt, maybe they could use

[3:35:28] on-street parking on side

[3:35:30] streets so they can actually

[3:35:31] have commercial activity becau

[3:35:33] se

[3:35:33] you need a couple parks spaces.

[3:35:35]

[3:35:35] so the quick and easy cheap is

[3:35:36]

[3:35:36] resurface, repaint your normal

[3:35:37]

[3:35:37] lines, put in a row of parking

[3:35:39] ,

[3:35:39] that gets you now lanes that a

[3:35:41] re

[3:35:41] somewhere less than 17 feet

[3:35:44] wide.

[3:35:44] but I want to make sure I'm

[3:35:47] adamant that the reason why

[3:35:48] people speed there is not

[3:35:50] because of magic cut through.

[3:35:51] it's because it is a 17-foot

[3:35:54] wide lane cut through because

[3:35:56] 8th on the other side is just

[3:35:58] as much of a cut through, but

[3:35:59] those lanes are much narrower

[3:36:00] with a median, you know curves

[3:36:03]

[3:36:03] that were done however many

[3:36:04] years ago.

[3:36:07] I just, the people, the east

[3:36:08] side deserves frankly they

[3:36:11] deserve 32 miles an hour avera

[3:36:13] ge

[3:36:13] or not average but 85th

[3:36:14] percentile instead of 38.

[3:36:16] I think they deserve the same

[3:36:18] speeds running through their

[3:36:19] neighborhood because it is a

[3:36:20] neighborhood.

[3:36:20] it's a mixed use, you know, old

[3:36:23]

[3:36:23] kind of older school tradition

[3:36:25] al

[3:36:25] neighborhood format, and it doe

[3:36:26] s

[3:36:26] not deserve 38 miles an hour a

[3:36:29] t

[3:36:29] the 85th percentile.

[3:36:30] I want to to figure out how w

[3:36:33] e

[3:36:33] can get it down to 32.

[3:36:35] thank you.

[3:36:35] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:36:36] commissioner willits.

[3:36:37] thank .

[3:36:38] commissioner chestnut.

[3:36:40] >> commissioner willits, I think

[3:36:41]

[3:36:41] the key word you keep saying

[3:36:43] regarding the comp plan is

[3:36:44] consideration.

[3:36:44] consideration. Not

[3:36:49] not a mandate to do anything. It

[3:36:50] it's just to consider it.

[3:36:53] and that is the key word.

[3:36:54] thank you.

[3:36:56] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:36:56] commissioner.

[3:36:56] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:37:02] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:37:04] what I wanted to say has alrea

[3:37:05] dy

[3:37:05] been said.

[3:37:05] hopefully this motion will

[3:37:06] carry, and hopefully we are

[3:37:07] sending the message to the

[3:37:09] people that we won't miss these

[3:37:11]

[3:37:11] critical steps to pull them in

[3:37:12] to

[3:37:12] the process in a meaningful way

[3:37:14]

[3:37:14] on something that is so critical

[3:37:15]

[3:37:15] in the future.

[3:37:17] thank you.

[3:37:17] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:37:18] commissioner dunk

[3:37:20] duncan-walker.

[3:37:20] mr. Manager.

[3:37:21] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:37:22] I do have the comp plan policie

[3:37:24] s

[3:37:24] if you all want to hear them.

[3:37:28] so is that a yes or --

[3:37:29] [laughter]

[3:37:29] I'm getting mixed like faces. Al

[3:37:35] all right.

[3:37:35] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:37:37] commissioner chestnut?

[3:37:37] >> yeah, again, I just want to

[3:37:39]

[3:37:39] be sure that the key word in the

[3:37:41]

[3:37:41] comp plan is consider.

[3:37:46] >> it is not.

[3:37:47] >> it is not?

[3:37:48] what is it then?

[3:37:49] >> yeah, there's three policies

[3:37:52]

[3:37:52] in your transportation element

[3:37:55] .

[3:37:55] the first is policy 3.1.5 which

[3:38:00]

[3:38:00] says essentially street

[3:38:02] modifications including

[3:38:05] restriping or resurfacing shall

[3:38:06]

[3:38:06] not increase the difficulty of

[3:38:08]

[3:38:08] bike transit or pedestrian

[3:38:10] travel such changes shall

[3:38:12] include safety features for

[3:38:13] bicycle, transit and pedestrians

[3:38:15]

[3:38:15] to offset any negative impact

[3:38:17] and modification might otherwise

[3:38:20]

[3:38:20] create then policy 4.1.7 says

[3:38:22] new cluks, reconstruction,

[3:38:24] and -- construction,

[3:38:25] reconstruction, and resurfacing

[3:38:26]

[3:38:26] of arterials and collectors

[3:38:27] shall be designed using complet

[3:38:29] e

[3:38:29] streets and context sensitive

[3:38:30] street design principles.

[3:38:33] and then policy 6.1.4 says the

[3:38:35]

[3:38:35] city shall use street

[3:38:37] resurfacing projects as an

[3:38:39] opportunity to install or

[3:38:40] enhance sidewalks, bike lanes,

[3:38:43]

[3:38:43] raised medians, brick or brick

[3:38:45]

[3:38:45] and printed paver or painted

[3:38:46] croswalks where feasible if not

[3:38:48]

[3:38:48] a city project the city shall

[3:38:50] recommend to the state or county

[3:38:53]

[3:38:53] make such enhancements.

[3:38:55] >> mayor: all right.

[3:38:55] thank you, mr. Manager.

[3:38:58] commissioner book.

[3:39:01] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:39:02] coincidentally when we did the

[3:39:03]

[3:39:03] comp plan and we needed to get

[3:39:04]

[3:39:04] out information, we had a

[3:39:05] flier.

[3:39:05] we had a qr code.

[3:39:07] we had a couple of forums that

[3:39:09]

[3:39:09] were hosted by two of the

[3:39:10] commissioners on the dais here.

[3:39:12]

[3:39:12] and we got tremendous amounts o

[3:39:14] f

[3:39:14] feedback so it's easy to do and

[3:39:16]

[3:39:16] in this northeast 8th avenue

[3:39:18] corridor no matter what segment,

[3:39:19]

[3:39:19] you're talking about, eight

[3:39:21] churches, was we said, I learn

[3:39:23] ed

[3:39:23] it was even more than I thought

[3:39:24] ,

[3:39:24] but you got the school board.

[3:39:26] we asked them to come for us f

[3:39:28] or

[3:39:28] listen we sent out information

[3:39:29]

[3:39:29] to the school board and say it'

[3:39:30] s

[3:39:30] going to impact them, you got a

[3:39:32]

[3:39:32] number of residents on that

[3:39:34] thing.

[3:39:34] you have a number of

[3:39:35] businesses.

[3:39:35] you have the high aff right

[3:39:37] there.

[3:39:37] so there is plenty of

[3:39:40] opportunity for people to come

[3:39:41]

[3:39:41] to any forum hosted by anyone

[3:39:43] here through the city manager's

[3:39:46]

[3:39:46] office and when we -- and we a

[3:39:48]

[3:39:48] large multifamily housing

[3:39:50] complex right there in northea

[3:39:51] st

[3:39:51] 8th avenue and 17th street.

[3:39:53] so I think we're going to get

[3:39:54] plenty of feedback, and we'll

[3:39:55] all be better for it.

[3:39:57] whatever comes, if out, if it

[3:40:00] 's

[3:40:00] merely resurfacing down the

[3:40:01] road, that's fine, or if it's

[3:40:03] resurfacing plus enhancements,

[3:40:05]

[3:40:05] well we'll know that we have

[3:40:06] community backing to do it.

[3:40:07] so thank you.

[3:40:09] I appreciate the fact that

[3:40:09] you're going to host a forum,

[3:40:11] and if it comes time to go and

[3:40:13]

[3:40:13] maybe walk or distribute some

[3:40:15] information, I'd be happy to

[3:40:16] assist in a public way.

[3:40:18] thank you.

[3:40:19] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:40:19] commissioner book.

[3:40:20] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:40:22] >> thank you, mr. Book.

[3:40:22] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:40:23] I did want to just mention tha

[3:40:25] t

[3:40:25] as a part of this discussion,

[3:40:27] the comp plan will be

[3:40:29] discussed.

[3:40:29] because we're still within the

[3:40:31]

[3:40:31] time frame where any necessary

[3:40:33]

[3:40:33] tweaks can be made.

[3:40:35] thank you.

[3:40:36] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:40:36] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:40:38] so the short answer to the thi

[3:40:40] ng

[3:40:40] that I heard several people ask

[3:40:42]

[3:40:42] as to why now is because we're

[3:40:46]

[3:40:46] at a point where we need to

[3:40:48] spend money on that road.

[3:40:49] on that stretch of road.

[3:40:50] so if we're going to spend it

[3:40:51] money, let's have a conversatio

[3:40:53] n

[3:40:53] about exactly what it ought to

[3:40:54]

[3:40:54] be.

[3:40:54] a place we need to get to as a

[3:41:00]

[3:41:00] city is when we say, hey, what

[3:41:03]

[3:41:03] should we do, is not have folks

[3:41:07]

[3:41:07] understand -- it's a catch-22.

[3:41:10]

[3:41:10] if folks understand it as we

[3:41:12] need to do a thing, here's wha

[3:41:14] t

[3:41:14] we're going to do out front,

[3:41:16] then of course people push back

[3:41:18]

[3:41:18] on that.

[3:41:19] but usually what it is is when

[3:41:22]

[3:41:22] we put something out, is here'

[3:41:23] s

[3:41:23] a discussion item.

[3:41:25] here's something to get a

[3:41:26] conversation started.

[3:41:27] because if we just have a, a

[3:41:30] meeting and say what should we

[3:41:31]

[3:41:31] do, there will be every from

[3:41:34] well, we ought to put an

[3:41:37] interstate there to we shouldn

[3:41:41] 't

[3:41:41] do anything.

[3:41:41] so the idea is you got to put

[3:41:43] something on the table to have

[3:41:44] a

[3:41:44] discussion about.

[3:41:44] if you don't, experience in thi

[3:41:47] s

[3:41:47] building has taught me you don

[3:41:49] 't

[3:41:49] get anywhere at all and then y

[3:41:50] ou

[3:41:50] get ten years down the road and

[3:41:52]

[3:41:52] somebody says how come you nev

[3:41:53] er

[3:41:53] spent any money on this.

[3:41:55] we can't be there either.

[3:41:57] so when we get to this point,

[3:41:59] this is the opportunity to

[3:42:03] figure out what it is that oug

[3:42:04] ht

[3:42:04] to be done, and that vote is n

[3:42:07] ot

[3:42:07] today.

[3:42:07] it never was supposed to be par

[3:42:10] t

[3:42:10] of today.

[3:42:11] we need to have more opportunity

[3:42:13]

[3:42:13] for everybody to weigh in that

[3:42:15]

[3:42:15] uses the road or that lives on

[3:42:17]

[3:42:17] the road for what it ought to

[3:42:19] be.

[3:42:19] that's where we are.

[3:42:21] and that's why now.

[3:42:23] that's the answer to why now.

[3:42:26] yeah, and I know we're a coupl

[3:42:29] e

[3:42:29] folks are going with it.

[3:42:30] it's always election year.

[3:42:32] it's always election year so I

[3:42:34] t

[3:42:34] ain't that.

[3:42:37] this is the opportunity to

[3:42:38] figure out what's, what we do

[3:42:40] because we're going to spend

[3:42:42] some money.

[3:42:42] we're fought going to come back

[3:42:43] d spend the money again

[3:42:44] later.

[3:42:44] we need to figure out what the

[3:42:47]

[3:42:47] right way to do it now is.

[3:42:48] that's why now.

[3:42:50] all right.

[3:42:50] so we have a motion on the

[3:42:51] table, all in favor, please say

[3:42:53]

[3:42:53] aye.

[3:42:53] any opposed?

[3:42:55] all right that passes

[3:42:56] unanimously.

[3:42:56] madam clerk.

[3:42:59] >> mr. Mayor, pause just a

[3:43:02] moment.

[3:43:02] we have 2026-171, appointments

[3:43:13]

[3:43:13] to the city plan board and the

[3:43:14]

[3:43:14] gainesville human rights board

[3:43:15]

[3:43:15] with recommendation the city

[3:43:17] commission review and discuss

[3:43:18] the applications received for

[3:43:20] the appointments to the city

[3:43:21] plan board and gainesville hum

[3:43:23] an

[3:43:23] rights board and take action

[3:43:24] deemed necessary.

[3:43:28] and mr. Mayor I did want to let

[3:43:30]

[3:43:30] you know one of the application

[3:43:35] s

[3:43:35] for the city plan board has bee

[3:43:36] n

[3:43:36] updated and printed and you wil

[3:43:37] l

[3:43:37] find it in the file folders in

[3:43:39]

[3:43:39] front of you.

[3:43:40] essentially there was a questio

[3:43:41] n

[3:43:41] about a financial disclosure,

[3:43:43] and that answer was changed fro

[3:43:45] m

[3:43:45] no to yes.

[3:43:48] >> mayor: very good, thank you

[3:43:49] ,

[3:43:49] and before we move any farther

[3:43:50]

[3:43:50] forward I want to remind

[3:43:52] everyone here for the land use

[3:43:52]

[3:43:52] and zoning items that we've

[3:43:54] pushed those forward to the end

[3:43:55]

[3:43:55] of the meeting.

[3:43:57] so we're not going to do that

[3:43:59] before dinner.

[3:44:01] okay.

[3:44:01] all right.

[3:44:10] so we have two folks here for

[3:44:11] the city plan board

[3:44:12] appointment.

[3:44:12] would y'all like to speak?

[3:44:14] all right.

[3:44:14] so I'm going to ask -- to go

[3:44:16] first because we'll do the

[3:44:18] alphabetically.

[3:44:18] welcome.

[3:44:18] >> thank you.

[3:44:25] and thank you, mr. Mayor and

[3:44:27] commissioners.

[3:44:27] my name is jayne moras ki.

[3:44:38] prior to my time in gainesville

[3:44:39]

[3:44:39] I complete admasters in urban

[3:44:40] and regional planning where I

[3:44:42] did comp plan review for iowa

[3:44:44] city another university town.

[3:44:45] dollar I was a commercial --

[3:44:47] there was a commercial real

[3:44:48] estate appraiser, actually the

[3:44:49]

[3:44:49] only commercial real estate

[3:44:50] appraiser that was a woman in

[3:44:52] the state of iowa for men a

[3:44:52] years.

[3:44:52] >> mayor: in the whole state?

[3:44:54] >> in the whole state, yeah.

[3:44:55] at the time.

[3:44:56] it's changed since then.

[3:44:58] but my specialty was low-income

[3:45:00]

[3:45:00] housing tax credits.

[3:45:02] since then moving here, I know

[3:45:04]

[3:45:04] many of you in my work as the

[3:45:07] director of the homeless shelt

[3:45:08] er

[3:45:08] called family promise of

[3:45:10] gainesville.

[3:45:10] I've worked in nonprofits for

[3:45:16] the last two decades here.

[3:45:17] my specialty was housing and n

[3:45:20] ow

[3:45:20] it's education as well.

[3:45:21] it took a -- gainesville is my

[3:45:25]

[3:45:25] home.

[3:45:25] my children grew up here.

[3:45:26] went to gainesville high

[3:45:29] school.

[3:45:29] went to glen springs

[3:45:30] elementary.

[3:45:30] and I want to be part of the

[3:45:35] planning board because one, a

[3:45:36] friend asked me to do this

[3:45:37] because they knew of my

[3:45:38] experience in it, but because

[3:45:40] this is my home.

[3:45:41] it will continue to be my home

[3:45:45]

[3:45:45] and it's where my family has

[3:45:48] chosen to be.

[3:45:49] I'm happy to answer any

[3:45:49] questions you have about my

[3:45:50] background or experience.

[3:45:52] and I believe that the sum tot

[3:45:55] al

[3:45:55] of that experience would make m

[3:45:58] e

[3:45:58] a good part of the planning

[3:45:59] board.

[3:45:59] thank you.

[3:46:00] >> mayor: very good.

[3:46:00] thank you.

[3:46:03] mr. Willis.

[3:46:11] >> good afternoon, it's a

[3:46:11] pleasure to be here today.

[3:46:13] little bit about me is I'm

[3:46:15] currently civil engineering

[3:46:17] student at university of

[3:46:18] florida.

[3:46:18] I'm a senior.

[3:46:20] I currently have a year left,

[3:46:22] and I really discovered a

[3:46:24] passion for sustainable

[3:46:25] development which is why I

[3:46:26] applied to be on the city

[3:46:27] planning board after the lovel

[3:46:30] y

[3:46:30] city clerk came to our class a

[3:46:32] nd

[3:46:32] made me aware that it was an

[3:46:33] opportunity.

[3:46:33] and which I believe mayor ward

[3:46:36]

[3:46:36] you will be speaking at in a

[3:46:37] couple weeks.

[3:46:38] so I'm excited for that.

[3:46:40] but yes, I want to serve my

[3:46:43] community.

[3:46:43] I've only been in gainesville

[3:46:44] since august, but I really gro

[3:46:48] wn

[3:46:48] to love it.

[3:46:48] been a lifelong gator fan so I

[3:46:50]

[3:46:50] hope to stay here for a long

[3:46:51] period of time, and I hope wit

[3:46:54] h

[3:46:54] this opportunity I can initiat

[3:46:57] e

[3:46:57] some resilience and

[3:46:58] sustainable -- sustainability I

[3:47:01] n

[3:47:01] this community, and serve as a

[3:47:03]

[3:47:03] lifelong commitment to the

[3:47:05] people.

[3:47:05] and as we've seen today, it is

[3:47:08]

[3:47:08] important to listen to the

[3:47:09] people, so I hope to bring tha

[3:47:11] t

[3:47:11] along too.

[3:47:11] thank you.

[3:47:12] >> mayor: very good.

[3:47:13] thank you.

[3:47:14] all right.

[3:47:16] commissioner willits.

[3:47:17] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:47:18] a quick question.

[3:47:19] so for, for the clerk first.

[3:47:22] for ms. Moraski application I

[3:47:25] don't see the, the address has

[3:47:27]

[3:47:27] been blacked out.

[3:47:28] I know there are lots of

[3:47:29] potential reasons why, but I

[3:47:30] just want to really confirm tha

[3:47:32] t

[3:47:32] ms. Moraski lives inside the

[3:47:35] incorporated gainesville city

[3:47:37] limits.

[3:47:37] >> yes.

[3:47:37] I have the map if you would like

[3:47:38]

[3:47:38] to see.

[3:47:40] >> I'm a map person.

[3:47:41] you already knew where I was

[3:47:42] going.

[3:47:42] thank you.

[3:47:43] and then so then just outside

[3:47:45] this I would make a pitch if n

[3:47:47] ot

[3:47:47] in this vote but into the futur

[3:47:49] e

[3:47:49] for all of our boards but

[3:47:50] particularly even this one

[3:47:51] board, we are a community of 6

[3:47:53] 0%

[3:47:53] renters.

[3:47:53] I don't know that we have any

[3:47:55] renters on the city plan board

[3:47:56]

[3:47:56] right now.

[3:47:58] I would have to double check.

[3:48:02] but mr. Willis lives in my

[3:48:03] district and I'm a little

[3:48:05] partial to my district because

[3:48:06]

[3:48:06] my district is 90% multifamily

[3:48:07] ,

[3:48:07] and we're, and in a city that'

[3:48:11] s

[3:48:11] 60% renters, renters and

[3:48:12] multifamily are part of whatwe

[3:48:14]

[3:48:14] have to plan for, what we were

[3:48:15]

[3:48:15] gifted from the county in the

[3:48:16] case of southwest gainesville,

[3:48:17]

[3:48:17] moving forward so I actually

[3:48:18] want to make a pitch that we

[3:48:20] need more diversity on some of

[3:48:21]

[3:48:21] our boards, and that includes

[3:48:23] income, age, where you live in

[3:48:25]

[3:48:25] this city, and whether you are

[3:48:27]

[3:48:27] an incumbent property owner, you

[3:48:31]

[3:48:31] know or you're a renter so I

[3:48:32] just want to make that pitch

[3:48:35] because, because we have a

[3:48:37] community that is 60% renters

[3:48:39] and when all of our policymaker

[3:48:41] s

[3:48:41] are homeowners and when everyon

[3:48:42] e

[3:48:42] on our boards are homeowners, o

[3:48:44] r

[3:48:44] live in a, a family -- a home

[3:48:47] owned by their family, where y

[3:48:49] ou

[3:48:49] don't pay rent, because that's

[3:48:50]

[3:48:50] how homeownership is typically

[3:48:52]

[3:48:52] measured, if you're not paying

[3:48:54]

[3:48:54] rent, you live in a owned home,

[3:48:56]

[3:48:56] a family owned home of some

[3:48:58] sort.

[3:48:58] anies with just want to make

[3:49:00] that pitch out there.

[3:49:01] but also understand that

[3:49:02] ms. Moraski is pretty well

[3:49:05] qualified both with the

[3:49:06] knowledge of our community but

[3:49:07]

[3:49:07] also the basics of urban

[3:49:09] planning.

[3:49:09] though I will say some people

[3:49:10] think that we have plenty of

[3:49:13] urban planner in the city.

[3:49:14] they're called staff.

[3:49:15] they're everywhere.

[3:49:17] and they guide us a lot so to

[3:49:20] some degree that plan board is

[3:49:21]

[3:49:21] still just our neighbors'

[3:49:23] knowledge, not necessarily.

[3:49:25] we can hire, even more city

[3:49:26] planners we could just have a comm

[3:49:28] commtee of city planners that

[3:49:29] we hire.

[3:49:29] so just putting that out there

[3:49:31]

[3:49:31] as conversation.

[3:49:32] we've had interesting, deep

[3:49:34] conversations today so I just

[3:49:34] wanted to throw it out there.

[3:49:36] and just to be clear we have a

[3:49:38] n

[3:49:38] urban planner as our interim

[3:49:39] city manager as well, so thank

[3:49:42]

[3:49:42] you, madam clerk, for answering

[3:49:44]

[3:49:44] that question.

[3:49:45] thank you.

[3:49:46] >> mayor: thank you.

[3:49:48] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:49:49] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[3:49:50] I have a question and it's kin

[3:49:51] d

[3:49:51] of to your point, commissioner

[3:49:53]

[3:49:53] willits in terms of the

[3:49:55] composition but do we currently

[3:49:57]

[3:49:57] have -- we don't have a student

[3:49:59]

[3:49:59] seat on this board, do we?

[3:50:02] I don't see one indicated here?

[3:50:03]

[3:50:03] >> we -- the staff liaison

[3:50:04] hasn't requested for us to fil

[3:50:06] l

[3:50:06] it but I do believe that this

[3:50:07] is

[3:50:07] one of our boards that does ha

[3:50:09] ve

[3:50:09] a student seat.

[3:50:10] we typically don't advertise f

[3:50:12] or

[3:50:12] those until september or octob

[3:50:13] er

[3:50:13] when students are back in

[3:50:16] session because everyone sort o

[3:50:19] f

[3:50:19] gearing now towards finals and

[3:50:21]

[3:50:21] graduation and all of those

[3:50:22] types of things, so we typically

[3:50:25]

[3:50:25] don't advertise for student

[3:50:27] seats until usually it's aroun

[3:50:32] d

[3:50:32] the homecoming time frame gives

[3:50:34]

[3:50:34] them a chance to get their foo

[3:50:35] t

[3:50:35] in the door, for the semester,

[3:50:37]

[3:50:37] get their head on their

[3:50:39] shoulders about what they want

[3:50:40]

[3:50:40] to do for professional, you

[3:50:42] know, experience, and we send

[3:50:45] that out to the schools and our

[3:50:48]

[3:50:48] different contacts to get

[3:50:51] student applications, and as y

[3:50:53] ou

[3:50:53] heard, I do speak to college

[3:50:56] classes, and wave the flag for

[3:51:00]

[3:51:00] our advisory boards.

[3:51:02] >> that's good.

[3:51:03] that's good.

[3:51:05] because I appreciate

[3:51:07] mr. Brantley coming to us today

[3:51:09] ,

[3:51:09] and he clearly is making all

[3:51:11] sorts of efforts to educate

[3:51:13] himself in this way, and what

[3:51:15] I

[3:51:15] would say based on how I'm

[3:51:17] probably going to vote today, I

[3:51:19] s

[3:51:19] mr. Willis, I hope you will com

[3:51:20] e

[3:51:20] back around the time that we

[3:51:22] open that application for the

[3:51:23] student seat because what when

[3:51:27] I

[3:51:27] take a look at the experience

[3:51:31] that ms. Jayne moraski brings t

[3:51:35] o

[3:51:35] the board, I have to lean in

[3:51:35] that direction.

[3:51:36] and you'll get there.

[3:51:38] you will get there.

[3:51:40] >> [off mic]

[3:51:41] [laughter]

[3:51:41] good.

[3:51:41] and I mean, for me, it is the

[3:51:51] diverse wealth of experience

[3:51:52] that she brings to this.

[3:51:54] and how that can just make tha

[3:51:59] t

[3:51:59] board so much more robust.

[3:52:00] commissioner willits, I am

[3:52:01] certainly willing to entertain

[3:52:02] a

[3:52:02] conversation about the ways tha

[3:52:04] t

[3:52:04] we can continue to diversify t

[3:52:06] he

[3:52:06] board.

[3:52:06] but I certainly, mr. Willis,

[3:52:10] please come back in september or

[3:52:11]

[3:52:11] whenever it is that that we

[3:52:13] advertise this again because I

[3:52:14]

[3:52:14] certainly appreciate your

[3:52:16] application as well.

[3:52:18] >> mayor: thank you,

[3:52:18] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:52:19] so madam clerk, I have a concern

[3:52:21]

[3:52:21] that if we're waiting until

[3:52:24] october or sod to aert adverti

[3:52:28] se

[3:52:28] for a student position, that

[3:52:29] means they don't really start

[3:52:30] until january, and we may end u

[3:52:34] p

[3:52:34] putting somebody on the board

[3:52:36] that's only here for one

[3:52:37] semester.

[3:52:37] >> mr. Mayor, it's a point wel

[3:52:39] l

[3:52:39] taken.

[3:52:39] most of the student seats we d

[3:52:41] o

[3:52:41] with you all in camera in your

[3:52:43]

[3:52:43] chambers, and so we get them o

[3:52:49] n

[3:52:49] the appointment and on the

[3:52:50] consent agenda much more

[3:52:51] quickly.

[3:52:51] we usually have them on there

[3:52:55] with by the end of october ear

[3:52:58] ly

[3:52:58] november.

[3:52:58] it does eat into -- it's just

[3:53:01] our experience when we've done

[3:53:03]

[3:53:03] applications for students we

[3:53:06] don't get the pool that you all

[3:53:07]

[3:53:07] want to see.

[3:53:09] >> mayor: okay.

[3:53:09] all right.

[3:53:10] thank you.

[3:53:11] commissioner ingle.

[3:53:13] >> make a motion to appoint

[3:53:15] jayne moraski to the city plan

[3:53:18]

[3:53:18] board -- [off mic]

[3:53:25] >> sentiments that we you jus

[3:53:29] t

[3:53:29] stay involved.

[3:53:29] more opportunities for you.

[3:53:31] >> second.

[3:53:33] >> mayor: all right we have a

[3:53:34] second.

[3:53:34] we did not sahave the giv

[3:53:37] e the

[3:53:37] other folks an opportunity.

[3:53:38] >> oh, whoops, sorry.

[3:53:40] >> mayor: that's okay.

[3:53:40] I can do that before we vote.

[3:53:41] >> neither of those folks

[3:53:43] indicate -- they let us know

[3:53:45] they weren't going to be able t

[3:53:46] o

[3:53:46] attend.

[3:53:46] >> mayor: all right, well that

[3:53:47]

[3:53:47] makes it easier, doesn't it.

[3:53:48] all right.

[3:53:49] commissioner eastman, did you

[3:53:49] have anything else?

[3:53:50] >> I was going do do exactly

[3:53:51] what commissioner ingle did.

[3:53:57] >> there is no public comment.

[3:53:58]

[3:53:58] >> mayor: all in favor, I rirya

[3:53:59] n

[3:54:00] aye.

[3:54:00] any opposed?

[3:54:02] congratulations ms. Moraski.

[3:54:05] thank you for being willing.

[3:54:06] and mr. Willis, please do stay

[3:54:08]

[3:54:08] involved.

[3:54:08] there are many other boards out

[3:54:09]

[3:54:09] there.

[3:54:09] okay, madam clerk.

[3:54:11] >> mr. Mayor, 2026-203,

[3:54:13] application to the audit

[3:54:14] committee with recommendation

[3:54:15] the city commission review the

[3:54:17]

[3:54:17] application received for

[3:54:18] appointment to the audit

[3:54:19] committee and take action deeme

[3:54:21] d

[3:54:21] necessary.

[3:54:21] we did have only one applicant

[3:54:24] ,

[3:54:24] who is here with us today, and

[3:54:27]

[3:54:27] he did also attend the audit

[3:54:30] committee meeting.

[3:54:31] >> mayor: all right, would you

[3:54:33]

[3:54:33] like to speak?

[3:54:35] >> just want to say happy frida

[3:54:43] y

[3:54:43] eve.

[3:54:43] I used to travel a lot when I

[3:54:45] was down in the rider systems

[3:54:46] always rider trucks always

[3:54:48] traveled sunday night hated

[3:54:49] being away from my family so I

[3:54:51]

[3:54:51] always counted down to fried s

[3:54:52] o

[3:54:52] I do want to -- friday.

[3:54:53] so I do want to appreciate you

[3:54:54]

[3:54:54] all as far as inviting me here

[3:54:55]

[3:54:55] today.

[3:54:55] just give you a background of

[3:54:57] myself.

[3:54:57] my name is mark modus.

[3:54:59] I have my cpa license I have a

[3:55:01]

[3:55:01] masters in taxation I'm a

[3:55:02] professor over at santa fe

[3:55:05] college teach as far as --

[3:55:08] courses over there and also

[3:55:09] created and put together the

[3:55:11] advanced government accounting

[3:55:12]

[3:55:12] course.

[3:55:12] prior to coming up here, I was

[3:55:14]

[3:55:14] the head of a accounting -- for

[3:55:18]

[3:55:18] broward county school board, s

[3:55:19] o

[3:55:19] we were the sixth largest schoo

[3:55:21] l

[3:55:21] system in the nation, and prior

[3:55:23]

[3:55:23] to that I was over at rider

[3:55:28] systems.

[3:55:28] my wife asked me why are you

[3:55:29] interested in doing this?

[3:55:31] because as far as you know

[3:55:32] volunteering, and I would say

[3:55:34] well two things.

[3:55:35] I said as far as being head ove

[3:55:37] r

[3:55:37] broward county for financial

[3:55:39] reporting, was I was conductin

[3:55:43] g

[3:55:43] meetings with the audit

[3:55:43] committee.

[3:55:43] conducting meetings with the

[3:55:46] board.

[3:55:46] every month and with rider

[3:55:50] systems it was pretty much the

[3:55:51]

[3:55:51] same thing.

[3:55:52] you know what?

[3:55:53] this gives me the opportunity t

[3:55:54] o

[3:55:54] see how it's done on the other

[3:55:55]

[3:55:56] on the other side.

[3:55:57] on the flip being professor ove

[3:55:59] r

[3:55:59] santa fe college, I'm also on

[3:56:03] the community connect and

[3:56:04] community connect board what

[3:56:04] we're doing is reaching inside

[3:56:07]

[3:56:07] alachua county, outside the

[3:56:08] county as well, and looking for,

[3:56:10]

[3:56:10] to get that connection,

[3:56:13] opportunities for business,

[3:56:13] opportunities for governments.

[3:56:15]

[3:56:15] not only for to extend santa f

[3:56:18] e

[3:56:18] college out more, but also to

[3:56:20] help our students as far as we

[3:56:21]

[3:56:21] got a lot of different

[3:56:23] apprenticeships that are going

[3:56:24]

[3:56:24] on, and I figured you know

[3:56:26] what?

[3:56:26] what's a better way to learn

[3:56:28] about such a good size city as

[3:56:30]

[3:56:30] gainesville, what the

[3:56:31] opportunities are there, and

[3:56:35] just -- as you can tell, as I

[3:56:37] tell my students and my class, I

[3:56:39]

[3:56:39] talk and never shut up, so the

[3:56:40] re

[3:56:40] we go.

[3:56:41] appreciate the time.

[3:56:42] >> mayor: all right, thank you.

[3:56:44]

[3:56:44] commissioner book?

[3:56:47] >> this is so easy.

[3:56:49] mr. Mayor, so professor modus

[3:56:51] has the knowledge, the skills,

[3:56:52]

[3:56:52] the abilities, he's a current

[3:56:54] educator so he is going to be u

[3:56:56] p

[3:56:56] on trends related to auditing

[3:56:59] in

[3:56:59] the field so under 2026-203 I

[3:57:01] recommend approval of professor

[3:57:02]

[3:57:02] mark modus to the audit

[3:57:03] committee.

[3:57:03] >> second.

[3:57:07] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[3:57:08] a

[3:57:08] second.

[3:57:08] commissioner duncan-walker.

[3:57:10] >> I was going to simply

[3:57:13] support.

[3:57:13] that's it.

[3:57:15] >> mayor: all right.

[3:57:15] commissioner eastman?

[3:57:21] >> I called around to some

[3:57:21] friends in the city of newberr

[3:57:23] y

[3:57:23] who -- mr. Modus here has a

[3:57:25] great reputation.

[3:57:25] you're very involved within you

[3:57:27] r

[3:57:27] community from what I've heard

[3:57:30] .

[3:57:30] yob ryan undine been helpful I

[3:57:31] n

[3:57:31] the -- you've been helpful in

[3:57:32] the city of newberry in trying

[3:57:34]

[3:57:34] to work through the of the

[3:57:35] financials there so I think

[3:57:37] you'll be a great addition to

[3:57:38] our audit committee and this I

[3:57:39] s

[3:57:39] great for your record, we how

[3:57:41] long was our last board member

[3:57:44]

[3:57:44] there?

[3:57:44] >> several years.

[3:57:45] >> several years.

[3:57:48] I'm looking forward have to

[3:57:51] having you in there, have a

[3:57:52] fresh pair of eyes on

[3:57:54] everything.

[3:57:54] >> appreciate you.

[3:57:56] >> I think he's already attended

[3:57:57]

[3:57:57] a meeting.

[3:57:57] >> yeah, last week, yes, ma'am.

[3:57:59]

[3:57:59] >> yes, yes.

[3:57:59] >> yes, ma'am.

[3:58:00] >> mayor: very good.

[3:58:00] all right.

[3:58:01] thank you, commissioner

[3:58:01] eastman.

[3:58:01] seeing no further lights, is

[3:58:03] there any public comment?

[3:58:06] >> there is no public comment.

[3:58:07]

[3:58:07] >> mayor: all right, all in

[3:58:07] favor, please say aye.

[3:58:09] any opposed?

[3:58:10] all righty, that passes

[3:58:10] unanimously.

[3:58:10] madam clerk.

[3:58:12] >> mr. Mayor, we're onto

[3:58:14] commission comment.

[3:58:15] >> mayor: all right.

[3:58:16] I have multiple commission

[3:58:17] comments, but I'll save those

[3:58:18] for, for the end of the

[3:58:20] meeting.

[3:58:20] anyone else?

[3:58:22] anyone else?

[3:58:22] we will be back here at 5:45 o

[3:58:25] r

[3:58:25] yeah, 5:45.

[3:58:37]

[0:00]

[23:49:32] >> mayor: good evening,

[3:07] everyone.

[3:07] welcome to the evening session

[3:08]

[3:08] for this thursday april 2nd

[3:11] meeting of the gainesville city

[3:13]

[3:13] commission.

[3:13] we are lucky to have with us a

[3:16]

[3:16] great group of cub scouts and

[3:18] I'm going to invite you all to

[3:20]

[3:20] come forward and lead us in the

[3:22]

[3:22] pledge please.

[3:24] come on up.

[3:25] good marching.

[3:33] so we're going to follow your

[3:39] lead.

[3:39] >> start it off.

[3:41] >> group: I pledge allegiance to

[3:47]

[3:47] the flag of the united states of

[3:47]

[3:47] america and to the republic for

[3:49]

[3:49] which it stands one nation und

[3:49] er

[3:49] god indivisible with liberty a

[3:51] nd

[3:51] justice for all.

[3:55] >> mayor: very, very good.

[3:57] y'all turn around and let's get

[3:59]

[3:59] some photos.

[4:01] >> you want to take a picture?

[4:03]

[4:03] >> get in here.

[4:06] [indistinct conversation]

[4:22] >> mayor: between that and the

[4:24]

[4:24] rocket launch last night, I'm

[4:26] feeling all kinds of patriotic

[4:28] .

[4:28] good work.

[4:29] [applause]

[4:29] madam clerk.

[4:36] >> mr. Mayor, oh, my goodness.

[4:38]

[4:38] it's a hard act to follow.

[4:39] >> mayor: yes.

[4:43] >> oh, my gosh.

[4:45] [indistinct conversation]

[4:45] >> give them a minute.

[4:52] >> they may need just a sec.

[4:57] mr. Mayor, we have 2026-251,

[5:07] national public safety

[5:08] telecommunications week.

[5:27] >> mayor: whereas the professio

[5:38] n

[5:38] of public safety

[5:39] telecommunicator in alachua

[5:40] county plays a crucial role in

[5:42]

[5:42] the protection of life, propert

[5:43] y

[5:43] and delivery of public safety

[5:44] services.

[5:44] and whereas, each day hundreds

[5:47]

[5:47] of neighbors dial 911 for help

[5:50]

[5:50] in emergencies and the

[5:51] telecommunicators who answer

[5:53] these calls gather essential

[5:55] information and dispatch the

[5:56] appropriate assistance which c

[5:58] an

[5:58] often make the difference

[5:59] between life and death for

[6:00] persons in need.

[6:01] and whereas, these well trained

[6:04] ,

[6:04] highly dedicated and deeply

[6:05] motivated individuals proudly

[6:07] and selflessly serve the

[6:08] neighbors of gainesville 24

[6:10] hours a day, seven days a week

[6:12] ,

[6:12] and sometimes during extreme

[6:14] situations such as hurricanes,

[6:16]

[6:16] making them unable to be with

[6:17] their own families or protect

[6:19] their personal homes and

[6:20] property.

[6:20] and whereas, telecommunicators

[6:23]

[6:23] who are the original first

[6:24] responders are honored to

[6:26] receive recognition by the

[6:27] neighbors and agencies who

[6:28] depend on them and benefit fro

[6:30] m

[6:30] their services.

[6:31] and whereas, the congress of t

[6:33] he

[6:33] united states has proclaimed I

[6:35] n

[6:35] support and recognition to the

[6:37] se

[6:37] employees and their profession

[6:38]

[6:38] and the city commission wishes

[6:39]

[6:39] to publicly recognize the local

[6:42]

[6:42] telecommunicators who serve the

[6:43]

[6:43] neighbors of gainesville in suc

[6:46] hmanner.

[6:46] now, therefore, I harvey l. Ward

[6:50]

[6:50] jr. By the authority vested in

[6:51]

[6:51] me by the city of gainesville d

[6:52] o

[6:52] hereby proclaim april 12 throu

[6:57] gh

[6:57] 18, 2026 as national

[7:00] telecommunicators week and

[7:02] invite our neighbors to

[7:04] recognize our heroes in witness

[7:05]

[7:05] whereof, I have caused to be

[7:09] affixed the official seal of t

[7:12] he

[7:12] city of gainesville, florida

[7:13] this 31st day of march, 2026.

[7:15] thank you, all.

[7:17] [applause]

[7:17] and I want to tell you, this o

[7:21] ne

[7:21] is special to me.

[7:22] when I was a kid, my dad was a

[7:24]

[7:24] radio operator/early

[7:28] telecommunicator at gpd.

[7:30] and so I grew up when we had a

[7:34] n

[7:34] emergency, my dad was -- it was

[7:36]

[7:36] a hurricane or whatever, dad w

[7:37] as

[7:37] at gpd.

[7:38] and so I respect what youall do

[7:44]

[7:44] very much and what your families

[7:45]

[7:45] offer as well.

[7:45] >> hello, my name is kristoffer

[7:51]

[7:51] orwig, I'm at the alachua count

[7:55] y

[7:55] training center.

[7:56] on behalf of my co-workers, I'd

[7:58]

[7:58] like to thank the chair and

[8:00] citizens of alachua county for

[8:01]

[8:01] taking the time to recognize

[8:05] telecommunicators safety week

[8:06] 2026.

[8:06] thank you.

[8:07] [applause]

[8:23] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-197,

[8:38]

[8:38] child abuse prevention month.

[8:42] >> mayor: all right.

[8:42] who is receiving this?

[8:43] there we go.

[8:45] whereas, prevention is possible.

[8:51]

[8:51] every family and child are

[8:52] filled with tremendous promise.

[8:54]

[8:54] we all have a collective

[8:56] responsibility to prevent

[8:58] adverse childhood experiences,

[9:00]

[9:00] foster the potential of every

[9:02] child and promote positive

[9:03] childhood experiences.

[9:04] and whereas, families who

[9:05] receive the support they need

[9:08] before a crisis occurs are

[9:09] better equipped to provide saf

[9:11] e,

[9:11] healthy and nurturing

[9:13] environments leading to children

[9:14]

[9:14] who are safer, healthier and

[9:16] more hopeful about their

[9:17] futures.

[9:17] whereas childhood trauma

[9:19] including abuse and neglect can

[9:22]

[9:22] have long-term psychological,

[9:23] emotional and physical effects

[9:26]

[9:26] throughout an individual's

[9:27] lifetime and impact future

[9:28] generations.

[9:28] and whereas, we acknowledge that

[9:31]

[9:31] we must work together as a

[9:33] community to increase awareness

[9:35]

[9:35] about child abuse and contribut

[9:37] e

[9:37] to promoting the social and

[9:38] emotional well-being of children

[9:40]

[9:40] and families in a safe, stable

[9:43]

[9:43] and nurturing environment.

[9:45] and whereas, investments in

[9:47] prevention initiatives are

[9:48] essential to building safer and

[9:49]

[9:49] healthier communities for all.

[9:52]

[9:52] therefore, I harvey l. Ward jr.

[9:55]

[9:55] as the mayor of the city of

[9:57] gainesville harborby proclaim

[9:58] april 2026 as child abuse

[10:00] prevention month in the city of

[10:02]

[10:02] gainesville and invite all our

[10:03]

[10:03] neighbors to join me in

[10:04] recognizing this month by

[10:05] dedicating ourselves to the tas

[10:07] k

[10:07] of improving the quality of life

[10:08]

[10:08] for all children and families.

[10:10]

[10:10] in witness whereof, I have

[10:12] hereunto set my hand and cause

[10:14] d

[10:14] to be affixed the official sea

[10:15] l

[10:15] of the city of gainesville,

[10:17] florida this 11th day of

[10:17] march, 2026.

[10:20] harvey ward jr. Mayor.

[10:21] congratulations.

[10:21] [applause]

[10:21] >> thank you, thank you.

[10:27] on behalf of the alachua count

[10:29] y

[10:29] child abuse prevention task

[10:31] force in partnership for stron

[10:33] g

[10:33] families, I want to thank you s

[10:35] o

[10:35] much for standing with us in

[10:36] recognizing april as child abu

[10:38] se

[10:38] prevention month.

[10:39] child abuse prevention needs t

[10:40] o

[10:40] happen all year long, but we'd

[10:42]

[10:42] like to set aside this month t

[10:44] o

[10:44] especially recognize it.

[10:45] and with that, I'm going to han

[10:48] d

[10:48] it over to sherry kitchens with

[10:50]

[10:50] the child advocacy center.

[10:52] >> good afternoon.

[10:54] mayor, thank you so much for

[10:55] this acknowledgment.

[10:57] city commissioners, thank you

[10:58] for all you do for children

[10:59] throughout the year.

[11:00] my name is sherry kitchens,the

[11:03]

[11:03] director of the child advocacy

[11:04]

[11:04] center and the chair of the

[11:06] alachua county child abuse

[11:07] prevention task force.

[11:07] you may have noticed if you hav

[11:09] e

[11:09] been by u.f. Health children's

[11:12]

[11:12] hospital since yesterday, there

[11:13]

[11:13] is a beautiful display of

[11:15] pinwheels out front.

[11:16] that is due to the support and

[11:19]

[11:19] effort of the children's trust

[11:21]

[11:21] of alachua county and 12

[11:23] organizations that make up the

[11:26] abuse prevention task

[11:30] force, got out there yesterday

[11:31] .

[11:31] there were over 50 of us

[11:31] planting those pinwheels, over

[11:34]

[11:34] 200 pinwheels.

[11:35] you'll also see them throughou

[11:36] t

[11:36] the community.

[11:37] everywhere where prevention is

[11:39]

[11:39] happening in the community wit

[11:40] h

[11:40] our agencies.

[11:41] so we really appreciate this

[11:43] acknowledgment and your focus

[11:46] and support in taking care of

[11:47] chinch in our community.

[11:49] >> and I'm emily mccauley with

[11:53]

[11:53] the children's trust of alachua

[11:55]

[11:55] county.

[11:55] I will echo what has been said

[11:57]

[11:57] here in that we are proud to

[11:58] fund and support efforts all

[12:00] around our community to make

[12:02] alachua county safer for

[12:03] children and families.

[12:05] the pinwheels are a visual

[12:06] reminder of that role that we

[12:08] all collectively play.

[12:09] I'll give a shout-out to the

[12:11] students at the u.f. Center for

[12:13]

[12:13] autism and related disabilitie

[12:14] s

[12:14] who helped us assemble about 600

[12:16]

[12:16] of those pinwheels in our offic

[12:18] e

[12:18] last week.

[12:19] and we have 10 different ctac

[12:21] funded partners who will also b

[12:23] e

[12:23] planting pinwheels and it reall

[12:25] y

[12:25] is a community wide collective

[12:27]

[12:27] effort because we all play a

[12:29] role, wis providing a

[12:35] sa and supportive

[12:35] out-of-school time provider to

[12:37]

[12:37] an individual and the children'

[12:39] s

[12:39] trust of alachua county in

[12:40] supporting our children and

[12:41] families absolute the county.

[12:58] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-198,

[13:19]

[13:19] pray then play day.

[13:27] >> mayor: okay.

[13:28] mr. Sweger, do you have this

[13:30] one?

[13:30] I'm sorry.

[13:33] all right.

[13:34] whereas, individuals and

[13:35] families thrive when think com

[13:36] e

[13:36] together in unity, community a

[13:38] nd

[13:38] harmony to engage in wholesome

[13:41]

[13:41] fellowship.

[13:41] whereas the strength of a city

[13:43]

[13:43] lies in how well the residents

[13:45]

[13:45] collaborate and share positive

[13:46]

[13:46] interactions, commonalities and

[13:48]

[13:48] bonds.

[13:48] whereas, pray, then play day I

[13:51] s

[13:51] a significant occasion dedicated

[13:52]

[13:52] to encouraging godly reflectio

[13:54] n

[13:54] followed by joyful community

[13:56] engagement.

[13:56] whereas, this event promotes

[13:58] peace, togetherness and holistic

[14:00]

[14:00] well-being through

[14:01] christ-centered prayer and

[14:02] recreational activities to bring

[14:03]

[14:03] different people of all races,

[14:05]

[14:05] genders and socioeconomic

[14:08] statuses to one accord.

[14:09] whereas the observance of pray

[14:11]

[14:11] then play day serves as a

[14:12] purposeful opportunity for

[14:14] individual families to connect

[14:16]

[14:16] and celebrate their shared

[14:17] values, beliefs and ideologies.

[14:20]

[14:20] I harvey l. Ward jr. By the

[14:22] authority vested in me as the

[14:25] mayor of city of gainesville,

[14:28] florida as pray then play day

[14:29] and invite all our neighbors t

[14:31] o

[14:31] join me in recognizing this

[14:34] special day.

[14:34] I have where unto set my hand

[14:36] and cause to be affixed this t

[14:40] he

[14:40] official seal of the city of

[14:43] gainesville, florida, the 11th

[14:44]

[14:44] day of march, 2026.

[14:45] set that aside.

[14:49] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-200.

[14:52]

[14:52] spring migration season.

[14:54] >> mayor: all right.

[14:55] who's got this one?

[14:56] come on up.

[15:09] whereas each spring, millions o

[15:16] f

[15:16] migratory birds travel thousan

[15:18] ds

[15:18] of miles publish flashes of

[15:20] color and song through

[15:21] gainesville as they journey

[15:23] between wintering and breeding

[15:24]

[15:24] grounds.

[15:24] whereas gainesville's birding

[15:27] community and parks, forests a

[15:29] nd

[15:29] wetlands make palm point,

[15:32] sweetwater park and l loblolly

[15:35]

[15:35] among some of the best birding

[15:37]

[15:37] locations in florida.

[15:38] whereas, an observant may catch

[15:41]

[15:41] the yellow of a prothontory, t

[15:50] he

[15:50] inindigo bunting or standigger

[15:56] as

[15:56] they because in trees and

[15:58] wetlands.

[15:58] students and nature lovers

[16:00] throughout gainesville celebrate

[16:01]

[16:01] the fleeting season stepping

[16:04] outdoors to listen for bird

[16:05] association arn watch the tree

[16:07]

[16:07] tops for passing migrants.

[16:08] whereas, as a city known for

[16:12] welcoming new neighbors around

[16:14]

[16:14] the world, gainesville also

[16:15] welcomes the arrival of these

[16:16] seasonal migrants who briefly

[16:18] call our parks, wetlands and

[16:19] forests home each spring.

[16:21] therefore, I harvey l. Ward jr.

[16:23] y the authority vested in me a

[16:24] s

[16:24] mayor of the city of gainesville

[16:26]

[16:26] hereby appoint march 15 through

[16:29]

[16:29] april 15, 2026 as spring

[16:31] migration season in the city of

[16:32]

[16:32] gainesville and invite all our

[16:33]

[16:33] neighbors to inveto me in

[16:36] stepping outside and watching

[16:37] for the flashes of red, yellow,

[16:39]

[16:39] blue and black that mark this

[16:41] remarkable season of migration.

[16:43]

[16:43] I have hereunto set my hand and

[16:44]

[16:44] cause to be affixed the officia

[16:49] l

[16:49] seal of the city of gainesville

[16:52] ,

[16:52] florida.

[16:52] if you want to say a few words

[16:54] .

[16:54] >> thank you,mayor,

[16:55] commissioner, for recognizing

[16:55] birds and nature and

[16:57] conservation here in alachua g

[17:01] ainesville.

[17:01] we are so lucky to have so man

[17:04] y

[17:04] preserves, so many parks

[17:05] throughout the area.

[17:07] and it's really drawn attention

[17:09]

[17:09] to the value that we place in

[17:10] nature here in this community.

[17:12]

[17:12] I want to give a shout-out to

[17:14] sweetwater wetlands park and t

[17:17] he

[17:17] wonderful habitat that it

[17:18] provides to wildlife, but also

[17:21] a

[17:21] great venue for environmental

[17:25] education and passive

[17:27] recreation.

[17:27] and your may be surprised to

[17:29] know that sweetwater just in I

[17:32] ts

[17:32] short 10 years being open to t

[17:34] he

[17:34] public has risen to the very t

[17:36] op

[17:36] in popularity of birding hot

[17:39] spots in the state of florida.

[17:41]

[17:41] out of over 5,000 it's in the

[17:44] top 10 now which is phenomenal.

[17:46]

[17:46] something even more phenomenal

[17:47]

[17:47] about sweetwater, last year the

[17:50]

[17:50] bird conservancy just added

[17:52] sweetwater to its list of the

[17:53] top 15 most recommended birding

[17:55]

[17:55] places to go in the entire

[17:58] united states.

[17:59] so that's amazing.

[18:00] and so what that translates int

[18:02] o

[18:02] is it shows that gainesville,

[18:04] alachua county is a place where

[18:06]

[18:06] we value our nature, where we

[18:08] value conservation and wildlif

[18:09] e

[18:09] and it also translates into an

[18:12]

[18:12] untold amount of ecotourism

[18:14] dollars for the things that we

[18:16]

[18:16] value.

[18:16] so thank you very much for thi

[18:18] s.

[18:18] >> mayor: thank you.

[18:33] >> mr. Mayor, we are on to

[18:50] 2026-201, national public heal

[18:53] th

[18:53] week --

[19:03] [inaudible]

[19:03] >> mayor: all right.

[19:06] this is national public health

[19:08]

[19:08] week.

[19:08] pwhereas the week of april 6th

[19:27] ,

[19:27] 2026 is national public health

[19:28]

[19:28] week and the theme is ready,

[19:30] set, action.

[19:31] highlighting that public health

[19:32]

[19:32] actions occurring through

[19:34] scientific conferees,

[19:35] legislation and community

[19:37] initiatives have significantly

[19:39]

[19:39] improved the health of all

[19:40] americans since its inception I

[19:43] n

[19:43] 1994.

[19:43] and whereas, racial and ethnic

[19:46]

[19:46] minority populations of the

[19:47] united states continue to

[19:48] experience disparities in the

[19:50] burden of illness and deaths a

[19:51] s

[19:51] compared with the entire

[19:52] population of the united states

[19:54] .

[19:54] and whereas, a person's health

[19:56]

[19:56] status can differ drastically b

[19:58] y

[19:58] zip code due to differences in

[20:00]

[20:00] environment quality, community

[20:02]

[20:02] context, access to healthy foo

[20:04] d,

[20:04] access to education, and acces

[20:05] s

[20:05] to healthcare.

[20:07] and whereas, efforts to

[20:08] adequately support public

[20:10] health, the prevention of

[20:10] disease and the injury continue

[20:13]

[20:13] to transform a health system

[20:15] focused on treating illness and

[20:17]

[20:17] to a health system focused on

[20:19] preventing disease, injury and

[20:21]

[20:21] promoting wellness.

[20:23] therefore, I harvey l. Ward jr.

[20:25]

[20:25] as mayor of the city of

[20:26] gainesville proclaim april 6th

[20:28]

[20:28] through 12th at national

[20:29] public health week in the city

[20:31]

[20:31] of gainesville and invite all

[20:31] our neighbors to join me in

[20:33] observing this week by helping

[20:34]

[20:34] our families, friends, neighbo

[20:36] rs

[20:36] and co-workers and leaders to

[20:39] recognize the contribution of

[20:42] scientists, loyal city and

[20:44] community activists including

[20:45] the public health workers as t

[20:46] he

[20:46] theme states ready, set, actio

[20:48] n.

[20:48] in witness whereafter I have

[20:51] here unto caused to be affixed

[20:54]

[20:54] the official seal of the city

[20:57] of

[20:57] gainesville, florida.

[21:00] >> on behalf of the beta for

[21:11] recognizing public health and

[21:13] what it has on our communities

[21:16] .

[21:16] and thank you for proclaiming

[21:19] national public health week.

[21:20] thank you.

[21:34] >> mr. Mayor, we have 2026-204.

[21:42]

[21:42] s landscape architecture

[21:44] month.

[21:44] >> mayor: all right.

[21:46] who's got this wurp?

[21:52] whereas landscape architecture

[21:54]

[21:54] encompasses the analysis,

[21:56] planning, design and stewardship

[21:58]

[21:58] of the natural and built

[21:59] environment, translating visio

[22:01] n

[22:01] into action to shape places that

[22:03]

[22:03] are healthy, safe and resilient

[22:05] .

[22:05] landscape architecture is a

[22:06] regulated profession in all 50

[22:08]

[22:08] states and the department of

[22:09] business and professional

[22:10] regulation ensures the highest

[22:11]

[22:11] standards of professional

[22:14] competence through education,

[22:16] experience and examination

[22:17] requirements.

[22:17] whereas, during april, landsca

[22:20] pe

[22:20] architecture month is celebrated

[22:21]

[22:21] under the theme landscape

[22:23] architecture in action, where w

[22:25] e

[22:25] recognize the tangible impact

[22:27] this has on parks, streetscape

[22:30] s,

[22:30] campuses across urban, suburba

[22:32] n

[22:32] and rural communities.

[22:33] and whereas, the license to

[22:35] practice landscape architecture

[22:37]

[22:37] is a critical safeguard for

[22:39] public health, safety and

[22:40] welfare ensuring outdoor

[22:44] environments are designed with

[22:48]

[22:48] technical rigor and ethical

[22:50] responsibility.

[22:50] whereas landscape architects a

[22:53] re

[22:53] nuniquely qualified through

[22:57] resilient green infrastructure

[22:58]

[22:58] design strategies that restore

[23:00]

[23:00] ecosystems and mitigate

[23:02] environmental hazards and

[23:03] decrease the long-term disaste

[23:05] r

[23:05] recovery on state and local

[23:06] governments.

[23:06] whereas the economy of the city

[23:08]

[23:08] of gainesville is strengthened

[23:10]

[23:10] by the work of these landscape

[23:11]

[23:11] architects and the accredited a

[23:14] t

[23:14] florida international universit

[23:16] y

[23:16] and the university of florida

[23:17] who together foster tourism,

[23:18] economic development and

[23:19] environmental protection.

[23:20] I harvey l. Ward jr. As

[23:23] authority of the mayor of

[23:30] gainesville, florida and invite

[23:30]

[23:30] all our neighbors to join me I

[23:32] n

[23:32] celebrating landscape

[23:33] architecture in action and the

[23:35]

[23:35] essential role landscape architects

[23:39] architects play in the shaping

[23:39]

[23:39] of resilient, safe environment

[23:41] s.

[23:41] I have hereunto set my hand and

[23:42]

[23:42] caused to be affixed the

[23:44] official seal of gainesville,

[23:46] florida this 26th day of

[23:47] march, 2026, harvey ward jr.,

[23:50] mayor.

[23:50] welcome.

[23:50] >> you're all set.

[23:54] if you want to hand those to

[23:56] francisco.

[23:56] >> mayor: I'll do that.

[24:01] >> we'll make sure those get

[24:03] where they need to go.

[24:11] next mr. Mayor is the early

[24:14] public comment.

[24:14] and I don't believe -- no, we

[24:15] do

[24:15] not have anyone signed up for

[24:17] early public comment.

[24:19] so we are going to go on to our

[24:21]

[24:21] first discussion item -- I'm

[24:23] sorry, not discussion item, the

[24:25]

[24:25] ordinance for the evening.

[24:28] we have ordinance number

[24:30] 2025-998, an ordinance of the

[24:33] city of gainesville, florida

[24:33] amending the future land use m

[24:35] ap

[24:35] of the comprehensive plan by

[24:36] changing the land use category

[24:37]

[24:37] of approximately .64 acres of

[24:40] property generally located at

[24:42] the 800 block of east universit

[24:45] y

[24:45] avenue as more specifically

[24:46] described in this ordinance fro

[24:48] m

[24:48] planned use district and mixed

[24:50]

[24:50] use low intensity to mixed use

[24:53]

[24:53] office residential, providing

[24:54] directions to the city manager,

[24:56]

[24:56] providing severability clause,

[24:58]

[24:58] providing repealing clause and

[24:59]

[24:59] providing an effective date.

[25:02] >> mayor: very good.

[25:03] thank you for your patience.

[25:06] >> good evening, mr. Mayor and

[25:07]

[25:07] commission.

[25:07] my name is ari rabbinvich, thi

[25:14] s

[25:14] is the 800 block east universit

[25:16] y

[25:16] project item ld25-000143.

[25:22] so the parcel seen here located

[25:30] n the 800 block of east

[25:33] university avenue, the current

[25:35]

[25:35] land use designation is planned

[25:37]

[25:37] use district and mixed use low

[25:39]

[25:39] intensity with a proposed

[25:41] designation of mixed use offic

[25:43] e

[25:43] residential.

[25:43] the planned use district land

[25:45] use designation corresponded t

[25:49] o

[25:49] planned ordinance which existed

[25:51]

[25:51] to enable the restoration and

[25:52] rehabilitation of the former b

[25:54] ed

[25:54] and breakfast use that was at

[25:55] the property and allowed for

[25:57] uses that were consistent with

[25:58]

[25:58] those enabled by the former 02

[26:02]

[26:02] general office zoning

[26:03] designation.

[26:03] the requested designation ofmor

[26:08] e of mor

[26:10] would establish a range of

[26:11] allowable uses and development

[26:14]

[26:14] consistent with the surrounding

[26:15]

[26:15] area which is a mix of uses

[26:17] including offices, residences,

[26:19]

[26:19] retail, commercial and civic

[26:20] uses.

[26:20] so here's a map just showing t

[26:25] he

[26:25] current land uses for the

[26:27] subject parcel as compared to

[26:28] the surrounding area.

[26:30] you see largely mor.

[26:36] versus the proposed land use a

[26:38] s

[26:38] requested under the application

[26:40] .

[26:40] so looking at the surrounding

[26:43] uses and land use designations

[26:46]

[26:46] for the parcels nearby, you can

[26:48]

[26:48] see that the majority of the --

[26:51]

[26:51] or all of the abutting parcels

[26:53]

[26:53] are designated mixed use offic

[26:56] e

[26:56] residential with existing uses

[26:58]

[26:58] that are primarily residential

[26:59]

[26:59] and multi-family and

[27:00] single-family.

[27:00] and so here is an image that

[27:08] illustrates what the area looks

[27:11]

[27:11] like.

[27:11] it's a total of approximately 73

[27:14] acres of land designated mor

[27:16] in this area before you hit

[27:19] waldo road to the east.

[27:24] so this is a property that is

[27:28] within an historic district.

[27:30] the designation pud existed to

[27:33]

[27:33] restore a former bed &

[27:39] breakfast.

[27:39] today it lies in the southeast

[27:42]

[27:42] district and has one

[27:44] contributing historic

[27:45] distributing which is the

[27:46] mccreary house.

[27:47] the allowable uses per the pd

[27:48] were those that were consistent

[27:50]

[27:50] with the former 02 general

[27:54] designation with factors like

[27:55] setbacks and parking determine

[27:56] d

[27:56] by the requirements of that

[27:58] former use category.

[28:04] so regarding historic

[28:07] preservation, the historic

[28:09] preservation officer has

[28:09] provided some comments on this

[28:10]

[28:10] project.

[28:10] she left the comment that land

[28:13]

[28:13] uses which would allow for

[28:14] additional infill that adds to

[28:15]

[28:15] the character of the district I

[28:17] s

[28:17] appropriate.

[28:17] additionally, any new

[28:19] development that would occur

[28:21] within any historic district

[28:23] would be subject to review for

[28:24]

[28:24] certificates of appropriateness

[28:26]

[28:26] per land development code

[28:28] section 30-4.28 which regulate

[28:34]

[28:34] design and the subject

[28:35] properties in the surrounding

[28:37] area.

[28:37] this is a land use change which

[28:39]

[28:39] is subject to review against

[28:41] the set of criteria defined by

[28:43]

[28:43] the land development code.

[28:44] we have conducted this review

[28:45] and conclude that the criteria

[28:46]

[28:46] of the code are met including

[28:48] consistency with comprehensive

[28:50]

[28:50] plan goals, policies and

[28:51] objectives surrounding the

[28:52] diversity of housing, retail a

[28:55] nd

[28:55] workplace choices encouraging a

[28:57]

[28:57] mix of uses and discouraging

[28:59] sprawl towards the periphery o

[29:01] f

[29:01] the city and compatibility with

[29:02]

[29:02] scrownding land uses.

[29:04] this would encourage a diverse

[29:05]

[29:05] range ever uses consistent wit

[29:07] h

[29:07] what exists in the area today

[29:08] and impacts on affordable

[29:10] housing.

[29:10] this project would enable

[29:12] residential uses at the site

[29:13] which is currently prohibited

[29:15] under the planned development

[29:17] and pud designation today.

[29:18] so there may be impacts to

[29:20] affordable housing in that thi

[29:21] s

[29:21] change would allow housing at

[29:22] that site.

[29:23] so with that, staff recommends

[29:26]

[29:26] approval of ld25-000143.

[29:33] we have a rezoning to follow I

[29:35] f

[29:35] you have any questions.

[29:35] I don't know if the applicant I

[29:36] s

[29:36] here to speak on this item.

[29:39] you can if you'd like to.

[29:41] >> mayor: ocome on up,

[29:46] mr. Sweger.

[29:48] welcome.

[29:48] >> good afternoon or evening,

[29:49] mr. Mayor and commissioners.

[29:51] I'm clay sweger.

[29:52] glad to be here tonight.

[29:53] this is a relative

[29:55] administrative type of

[29:56] consideration for you all

[29:57] tonight.

[29:57] the owners of this property

[30:00] which includes the mccreary

[30:02] house, one of the old victorian

[30:04]

[30:04] homes on east university heavy

[30:06]

[30:06] has purchased the property and

[30:08]

[30:08] is putting significant into

[30:11] revitalizing and bringing it

[30:13] back to a bread of the mighty

[30:14] which is very exciting.

[30:15] but in the weeds on the planning

[30:16]

[30:16] side it's an expired from the

[30:21] 1980s, that era of pds

[30:23] doesn't have a reverter clause

[30:26]

[30:26] so the pd expired and it doesn

[30:29] 't

[30:29] go back to the office zoning

[30:30] that it was before.

[30:31] the action before you is to

[30:33] address that issue on the land

[30:34]

[30:34] use map to go to mor in the

[30:36] zoning to u-4 which would allow

[30:39]

[30:39] that bed & breakfast use.

[30:41] but, of course, the analysis by

[30:42]

[30:42] your staff was to consider all

[30:44]

[30:44] uses in that area.

[30:46] properties in essentially every

[30:48]

[30:48] direction are u-4 for a block o

[30:49] r

[30:49] two, so it's very consistent

[30:51] with the pattern.

[30:52] this would allow that

[30:54] revitalization of the historic

[30:56]

[30:56] structure, which happy to say

[30:57] that your historic preservatio

[30:58] n

[30:58] planner has been involved and

[31:00] she's integral in the design a

[31:02] nd

[31:02] permitting of the improvements.

[31:04]

[31:04] as you drive by there, you can

[31:06]

[31:06] see them happening.

[31:07] so thank you for consideration

[31:08]

[31:08] on this.

[31:09] if you have any questions for m

[31:10] e

[31:10] tonight, please let me know.

[31:11] thank

[31:11] >> mayor: very good.

[31:13] thank you.

[31:15] commissioner ingle.

[31:18] >> so looking quickly at the

[31:20] map, there's two old victorian

[31:23]

[31:23] houses there, the mccreary

[31:24] house and another one right

[31:25] beside it.

[31:26] >> yes, sir.

[31:27] >> is this considering both of

[31:28]

[31:28] those?

[31:28] >> no, mr. Mayor.

[31:30] it's just the one to the east.

[31:32]

[31:32] >> okay.

[31:34] >> the owner of the property to

[31:35]

[31:35] the west, the other home was n

[31:36] ot

[31:36] interested in participating in

[31:38]

[31:38] the application.

[31:41] >> mayor: very good.

[31:44] commissioner willits.

[31:44] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[31:46] staff, we heard this back in

[31:47] october.

[31:47] is there a reason why there's

[31:49] such a long period between fir

[31:51] st

[31:51] and second reading?

[31:55] >> which item did you hear bac

[31:56] k

[31:56] in october?

[31:58] >> it said we heard the petitio

[31:59] n

[31:59] in october.

[32:00] is that accurate?

[32:03] >> is this not first reading f

[32:04] or

[32:04] this item?

[32:07] >> this is on for first reading

[32:08] .

[32:08] >> mayor: this is first reading.

[32:10]

[32:10] >> why did I just see a chart

[32:11] that said we had already heard

[32:12]

[32:12] it?

[32:12] >> that may be for the sheriff's

[32:15]

[32:15] office rezoning that's later.

[32:17] >> mayor: maybe.

[32:18] >> I'm looking at the wrong one

[32:19] .

[32:19] no, no.

[32:27] maybe there's a chart

[32:28] accidentally on the historic

[32:32] preservation one.

[32:33] if you tell me it's not, but o

[32:35] n

[32:35] one of those slides it says

[32:37] 10/ 16/25.

[32:41] >> that was an error.

[32:42] >> in our backup, perfect.

[32:44] we are looking at different

[32:46] documents.

[32:46] >> sorry about that.

[32:48] >> I didn't think I was --

[32:50] that's why I was wondering.

[32:51] but I remember we heard

[32:52] somewhere in the back of my

[32:53] brain, we heard something about

[32:54]

[32:54] this.

[32:54] but maybe there was conversatio

[32:57] n

[32:57] about what's going on and then

[32:58] I

[32:58] think staff said something is

[32:59] coming down the pike.

[33:00] >> that sounds like it could be

[33:01]

[33:01] it, yeah.

[33:02] >> perfect.

[33:03] so is there -- but all three o

[33:06] f

[33:06] the -- well, not parcels, but

[33:07] lots.

[33:07] it's basically three lots in a

[33:09]

[33:09] row.

[33:09] but it's the middle and eastern

[33:12]

[33:12] one.

[33:12] >> right.

[33:14] >> are we splitting up the pud

[33:16]

[33:16] then?

[33:16] are we leaving a remnant?

[33:19] for the land use, that pud, is

[33:21]

[33:21] it one pud originally that we

[33:24] are then splitting and leaving?

[33:25]

[33:25] >> so the pud that you're

[33:29] referencing, I think I have som

[33:31] e

[33:31] images here.

[33:32] I believe it counts for both o

[33:35] f

[33:35] these properties.

[33:36] but this proposal is just to

[33:38] apply to the lot, like you sai

[33:43] d,

[33:43] east of the other historic sit

[33:48] e.

[33:48] so the pud would still be in

[33:50] effect for that.

[33:51] >> that's the land use.

[33:52] >> right.

[33:53] >> that's a land use and then

[33:55] even later on the zoning.

[33:57] >> the pud would also still

[33:58] apply to that other piece of

[34:00] property.

[34:00] >> even though it is kind of an

[34:02]

[34:02] old --

[34:02] >> even still, yeah.

[34:03] >> all right.

[34:04] it feels a little weird, but I

[34:05] t

[34:05] does make sense.

[34:06] if everything else is mor aarou

[34:08] nd it, this is just

[34:12] returning potential [inaudible]

[34:16] .

[34:16] airbnbs have probably taken a

[34:18] lot of wind out of the sail of

[34:21]

[34:21] actual b&bs, there could be

[34:25] somebody living on the site to

[34:27]

[34:27] help the east side and downtown

[34:28]

[34:28] have more people living there to

[34:30]

[34:30] do everything that we want to d

[34:32] o

[34:32] in getting more people to live

[34:34]

[34:34] downtown or close to downtown.

[34:35]

[34:35] so I just want to be in support

[34:39]

[34:39] and I'll make the motion.

[34:41] >> mayor: thank you.

[34:42] commissioner eastman.

[34:43] >> yeah, thank you.

[34:44] I mean this seems like a

[34:45] no-brainer.

[34:45] there's mixed use office

[34:48] residential all around it.

[34:52] you know, for years, the

[34:53] community has been asking what'

[34:54] s

[34:54] going to happen with this house

[34:56] .

[34:56] it is a very stark house.

[34:58] I believe it is on bo diddley

[35:00] plaza.

[35:00] it was originally in downtown,

[35:02]

[35:02] correct?

[35:02] it was originally on bo diddley

[35:05]

[35:05] plaza.

[35:05] the city had a bit of history,

[35:09]

[35:09] eminent domain this entire

[35:11] section of our downtown to

[35:13] create city hall, bo diddley

[35:14] plaza and what should have bee

[35:16] n

[35:16] a civic center from there.

[35:19] it was high historic

[35:22] preservation and moved it to

[35:24] university avenue.

[35:24] and people have been curious

[35:25] what is going to happen to it.

[35:27]

[35:27] it is a beautiful stately house

[35:28]

[35:28] that now looks sort of ghostly

[35:30]

[35:30] and wasn't entirely clear.

[35:32] I'm glad someone wanted to ste

[35:35] p

[35:35] up and do something good with

[35:36] it.

[35:36] I'm very happy they came forwa

[35:38] rd

[35:38] with it.

[35:38] it's a really good reminder to

[35:40]

[35:40] everyone why we should be tryin

[35:41] g

[35:41] not to approve pds.

[35:43] I understand there's reverters

[35:45]

[35:45] nowadays.

[35:45] we have learned some thingover

[35:48]

[35:48] time.

[35:48] what happens with planned

[35:52] developments which are these

[35:52] kind of costly parcels, they

[35:54] just linger there.

[35:56] and then the whole code changes

[35:57]

[35:57] all around it.

[35:58] and then eventually somebody is

[36:00]

[36:00] just trying to already put in

[36:02] enough time and effort to make

[36:03]

[36:03] the house look nice and hires

[36:04] eda to come and go for the pla

[36:07] n

[36:07] board and I think I saw july

[36:09] when this first came forward.

[36:10] just a lot of work for people to

[36:12]

[36:12] go through.

[36:12] so it's nice for it to just be

[36:14]

[36:14] part of the rest of the process

[36:15]

[36:15] as the code changes.

[36:17] so I'm very happy to support I

[36:19] t.

[36:19] with that, I'd like to approve

[36:20]

[36:20] ordinance number 2025-998.

[36:23] >> second.

[36:24] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[36:25] a

[36:25] second.

[36:25] madam clerk, is there any public

[36:27]

[36:27] comment?

[36:27] >> there's no public comment.

[36:30] >> mayor: anything either staff

[36:31]

[36:31] or the applicant want to add t

[36:33] o

[36:33] the land use?

[36:34] all right.

[36:35] seeing no further lights, madam

[36:36]

[36:36] clerk, please call the roll.

[36:38] >> commissioner ingle.

[36:39] >> aye.

[36:39] >> commissioner chestnut.

[36:40] >> aye.

[36:41] >> commissioner duncan-walker.

[36:41]

[36:41] >> aye.

[36:41] >> commissioner book.

[36:42] >> aye.

[36:43] >> commissioner willits.

[36:43] >> aye.

[36:44] >> commissioner eastman.

[36:44] >> aye.

[36:45] >> mayor ward.

[36:45] >> mayor: aye.

[36:46] that passes unanimously.

[36:47] madam clerk.

[36:50] >> mr. Mayor, ordinance number

[36:52]

[36:52] 2025-997, an ordinance of the

[36:55] city of gainesville, florida

[36:56] amending the zoning map atlas b

[36:58] y

[36:58] rezoning approximately .64 acr

[37:00] es

[37:00] of property generally located a

[37:02] t

[37:02] the 800 block of east universi

[37:04] ty

[37:04] avenue as more specifically

[37:05] described in this ordinance fro

[37:07] m

[37:07] planned development to urban 4

[37:08] ,

[37:08] providing directions to the city

[37:09]

[37:09] manager, providing severabilit

[37:11] y

[37:11] clause, prov providing repeali

[37:13] ng

[37:13] clause and providing effective

[37:16]

[37:16] date.

[37:16] >> ari rabinovich, this is the

[37:26]

[37:26] 800 block of east university

[37:28] avenue.

[37:28] so the requested zoning

[37:32] designation is urban zoned 4

[37:34] which is transect.

[37:36] this is a zoning designation

[37:38] that would establish a range o

[37:40] f

[37:40] allowable uses and allowable

[37:45] development which is a mix of

[37:46] uses including offices,

[37:47] residences, retail, commercial

[37:49]

[37:49] and civic uses.

[37:53] so a map of the current zoning

[37:55]

[37:55] designations which are both pd.

[37:58]

[37:58] and the requested u4.

[38:03] same set of surrounding active

[38:06]

[38:06] uses, surrounding zoning

[38:08] designations are both u4 and u

[38:13] 3.

[38:13] and rooking at that same clust

[38:16] er

[38:16] of land it's about 73 acres

[38:19] that are zoned either u3 or u4

[38:21]

[38:21] in this area.

[38:25] same historic considerations.

[38:28] and same set of review criteri

[38:33] a

[38:33] that historic preservation wou

[38:37] ld

[38:37] conduct.

[38:37] and just real quick synopsis o

[38:42] f

[38:42] the transect zone.

[38:45] this is being -- u4 falls withi

[38:49] n

[38:49] the designation that consists

[38:50] of

[38:50] a wide range of residential

[38:51] building types with the higher

[38:53]

[38:53] numbered zones providing for t

[38:55] he

[38:55] integration of offices and

[38:57] neighborhood services within a

[38:58] n

[38:58] increasingly urban fabric,

[39:01] setbacks that vary and streets

[39:03]

[39:03] with curbs and sidewalks that

[39:05] define medium-sized blocks.

[39:07] and the intent of the transect

[39:08]

[39:08] zoning is to establish

[39:09] development standards that

[39:10] encourage a more efficient and

[39:12]

[39:12] sustainable forum by allowing a

[39:13]

[39:13] range of housing, employment,

[39:15] shopping and recreation choices

[39:17]

[39:17] within a compact and

[39:19] pedestrian-friendly environmen

[39:23] t.

[39:23] comparing the u4 designation

[39:25] against what was basically

[39:27] applied within the pd which was

[39:29]

[39:29] o2 back then, we see that

[39:31] there's some outdated standards

[39:33]

[39:33] for things like setbacks where

[39:37]

[39:37] the o2 require setbacks relative

[39:41]

[39:41] to the angle of light

[39:42] obstruction.

[39:42] o2 disallowed residential uses

[39:46]

[39:46] so this request would introduce

[39:48]

[39:48] residential uses and modernize

[39:49]

[39:49] code requirements to meet the

[39:50] design and development standards

[39:51]

[39:51] that are set by our transect

[39:53] code relating to density,

[39:55] height, setback, sidewalks.

[40:00] so staff are required by code t

[40:03] o

[40:03] review rezoning against a set o

[40:04] f

[40:04] criteria and have found that

[40:05] this request does meet the

[40:07] requirements of the land

[40:09] development code.

[40:10] this involves compatibility wit

[40:12] h

[40:12] the surrounding development, a

[40:13] ny

[40:13] changes to the character of the

[40:15]

[40:15] area that warrant the requested

[40:16]

[40:16] change and the goals, policies

[40:19]

[40:19] and objectives of the

[40:20] comprehensive plan, specificall

[40:20] y

[40:20] foes surrounding the

[40:22] encouragement of diverse

[40:23] housing, office, retail and

[40:25] workplace choices as well as the

[40:26]

[40:26] discouraging of sprawl through

[40:28]

[40:28] infill development.

[40:28] so with that, staff does

[40:30] recommend approval of

[40:31] ld25-000141.

[40:31] thank you very much for your

[40:35] time and I'm here for any

[40:37] further questions.

[40:38] >> mayor: very good.

[40:38] thank you.

[40:39] I see no questions.

[40:43] mr. Sweger, did you want to

[40:44] offer anything?

[40:45] all right.

[40:46] very good.

[40:48] commissioner willits.

[40:49] >> mr. Mayor, seeing as the

[40:51] property is immediately across

[40:53]

[40:53] the street and then to the two

[40:54]

[40:54] blocks towards downtown are all

[40:55]

[40:55] that u4, on that kind of half

[41:00] block abutting the university.

[41:01]

[41:01] it seems to make sense.

[41:02] it's a little bit of corridor o

[41:05] f

[41:05] u4 that makes sense.

[41:07] I move the city commission ado

[41:08]

[41:08] the proposed ordinance 2025-995

[41:14]

[41:14] quasi-judicial the 800 block

[41:16] east university rezoning.

[41:17] >> second.

[41:19] >> mayor: is there any public

[41:19] comment on this, madam clerk?

[41:20] >> no public comment.

[41:22] >> mayor: would you call the

[41:22] roll, please.

[41:23] >> commissioner chestnut.

[41:24] >> aye.

[41:25] >> commissioner duncan-walker.

[41:25]

[41:25] >> aye.

[41:26] >> commissioner book.

[41:27] >> aye.

[41:27] >> commissioner willits.

[41:28] >> aye.

[41:28] >> commissioner eastman.

[41:29] >> aye.

[41:29] >> commissioner ingle.

[41:30] >> aye.

[41:31] >> mayor ward.

[41:31] >> mayor: aye.

[41:32] that passes unanimously.

[41:34] nice work.

[41:35] >> mr. Mayor, ordinance number

[41:36]

[41:36] 2025-992, an ordinance of the

[41:38] city of gainesville, florida

[41:39] amending the future land use m

[41:40] ap

[41:40] of the comprehensive plan by

[41:41] changing the land use category

[41:43]

[41:43] of approximately 25.55 acres o

[41:45] f

[41:45] property generally located wes

[41:47] t

[41:47] of southwest 13th street,

[41:48] south of southwest archer road,

[41:51]

[41:51] east of southwest 16th street

[41:53] and north of southwest 16th

[41:54] avenue as more specifically

[41:56] described in this ordinance fro

[41:58] m

[41:58] urban mixed use high intensity

[42:01]

[42:01] to office, providing directions

[42:03]

[42:03] to the city manager, providing

[42:05]

[42:05] severability clause, providing

[42:06]

[42:06] repealing clause and providing

[42:08]

[42:08] an effective date.

[42:09] >> mayor: very good.

[42:09] welcome.

[42:09] >> hello, good evening, mayor

[42:11] and commissioners.

[42:11] thank you for having me this

[42:12] evening.

[42:12] my name is allison payinger.

[42:16] I'm a in the department of

[42:20] sustainable development.

[42:21] u.f. South campus will consist

[42:24]

[42:24] of two applications, one for t

[42:26] he

[42:26] land use that is legislative a

[42:28] nd

[42:28] one for the map change which I

[42:30] s

[42:30] quasi-judicial.

[42:30] this presentation is

[42:31] specifically for the land use

[42:32] amendment identified by petitio

[42:34] n

[42:34] number.

[42:34] the applicant is in attendance

[42:40]

[42:40] and will have a presentation

[42:42] after the conclusion of staff's

[42:44]

[42:44] presentation.

[42:44] this petition is for three

[42:50] subject parcels equaling in

[42:52] total approximately 25.55 acres

[42:55] .

[42:55] for the record identified as

[42:56] parcels 1548200000145490000 and

[43:09]

[43:09] 154-60-0000.

[43:09] the three parcels are south of

[43:11]

[43:11] the university of florida xuts

[43:12]

[43:12] and bounded by archer road,

[43:15] southwest 16th ave.

[43:17] southwest 13th street and

[43:18] southwest 16th street.

[43:19] the current land use category I

[43:23] s

[43:23] umuh urban mixed use high

[43:24] intensity.

[43:24] the proposed change is for

[43:27] office.

[43:27] the subject parcels are

[43:28] currently developed.

[43:30] this area is referred to as u.f

[43:32] .

[43:32] healthsouth campus.

[43:34] please note that the three

[43:35] parcels are not within the u.f

[43:37] .

[43:37] campus development agreement

[43:38] this.

[43:38] however it is part of the u.f.

[43:40]

[43:40] master plan and largely part o

[43:42] f

[43:42] the u.f. Health shands complex.

[43:44]

[43:44] the parcels are currently home

[43:46]

[43:46] to u.f. Health heart and

[43:50] vascular hospital and u.f.

[43:52] health shands, and trauma

[43:54] center.

[43:54] the purpose of the request is I

[43:57] n

[43:57] two parts.

[43:58] to have the property be

[43:59] consistent in land use and

[44:00] zoning designation with other

[44:01] hospital complexes throughout

[44:03] the city.

[44:04] and to bring the existing

[44:05] hospital facility structures

[44:07] into conformance and provide

[44:08] land use and zoning that is

[44:10] needed for any future

[44:12] redevelopment and site

[44:13] improvements as needed.

[44:15] for additional context, this

[44:18] area of the city was part of t

[44:20] he

[44:20] form-based city initiated land

[44:22]

[44:22] use change and rezoning efforts

[44:24]

[44:24] in 2017 with transect zoning.

[44:29] in this case, it was near the

[44:31] u.f. Campus in the periphery o

[44:32] f

[44:32] downtown.

[44:32] and the next few slides are jus

[44:35] t

[44:35] going to provide some context to

[44:36]

[44:36] the area before we get into the

[44:37]

[44:37] criteria of the land use chang

[44:39] e.

[44:39] so this is an overhead imagery

[44:42]

[44:42] showing the area and the

[44:43] structures.

[44:43] hihere is showing the u.f. Cam

[44:51] pus

[44:51] master plan agreement.

[44:51] so it's outside of it, but it I

[44:53] s

[44:53] directly north of the parcels.

[44:57]

[44:57] here is just a quick location

[44:58] map for reference.

[45:00] so north of the subject area I

[45:02] s

[45:02] archer road and then the main

[45:05] u.f. Health shands facilities.

[45:07]

[45:07] south is southwest 16th ave

[45:10] and kind of a mixture of

[45:12] apartments and restaurants,

[45:14] office uses.

[45:15] east is southwest 13th street

[45:17] and then some multi-family and

[45:18]

[45:18] restaurant uses.

[45:19] and west of the subject area I

[45:23] s

[45:23] southwest 16th street and then

[45:24]

[45:24] additional medical facilities

[45:26] and the v.a. Hospital.

[45:28] this is just a summary of those,

[45:30]

[45:30] of what was just described.

[45:33] and just to kind of give a

[45:36] visual, so this would be if you we

[45:38] were on archer road where it

[45:40] intersects with southwest 16th

[45:42]

[45:42] street looking towards southwest

[45:45]

[45:45] 13th.

[45:45] so like the grass and trees

[45:46] area, that's like the v.a. Are

[45:48] a.

[45:48] and then you're staring directly

[45:50]

[45:50] at the emergency room building.

[45:51]

[45:51] just to kind of show how large

[45:53]

[45:53] this area is.

[45:55] this is at the intersection of

[45:56]

[45:56] southwest 16th ave and

[45:58] southwest 13th street looking

[46:01] at northwest at the u.f.

[46:03] healthsouth campus and seeing

[46:05] the majority of the structures.

[46:06]

[46:06] and lastly, if you are on

[46:08] southwest 13th street looking

[46:10] towards archer road which is

[46:11] past the dna bridge, the trees

[46:15]

[46:15] on the left are the smaller

[46:17] parcels that are part of this.

[46:20]

[46:20] and then just a quick recap of

[46:23]

[46:23] the petition timeline, so there

[46:25]

[46:25] was a pre-application meeting,

[46:26] a

[46:26] neighborhood workshop, the cit

[46:28] y

[46:28] staff review and then it went

[46:30] before the plan board on

[46:31] september 18th.

[46:33] now it's before you today for

[46:33] the first reading.

[46:34] and this is just a quick recap

[46:36]

[46:36] of all the public notice for

[46:37] those meetings being held

[46:40] including the neighborhood

[46:41] workshop.

[46:41] the plan board meeting and the

[46:44]

[46:44] city commission meeting

[46:45] including property signs,

[46:47] postcards and the newspaper ads

[46:51] .

[46:51] so this petition was reviewed

[46:53] using the criteria outlined in

[46:55]

[46:55] section 30-3.13 of the land

[46:58] development code and

[46:59] corresponding sections of the

[47:00] comp plan for the city of

[47:01] gainesville.

[47:01] the criteria shown on this sli

[47:03] de

[47:03] are explored in more detail in

[47:04]

[47:04] the backup and staff report.

[47:06] I just have a few quick points

[47:08] I

[47:08] wanted to expand on.

[47:09] just to recap, the proposed

[47:11] changes to go from umuh to o f

[47:15] or

[47:15] office, to hit on redevelopment,

[47:18]

[47:18] the site is already developed

[47:20] and has established

[47:22] streetscapes, multimodal forms

[47:24]

[47:24] of transportation, vehicular a

[47:26] nd

[47:26] pedestrian circulation and

[47:27] building frontage.

[47:28] any future development would

[47:29] retain the pattern per the

[47:31] submittal by the applicant but

[47:33]

[47:33] would still be held to office

[47:36] and the proposed md zoning if

[47:39] approved in the companion

[47:40] application.

[47:40] for compatibility, on this map,

[47:45] w

[47:45] we can see directly to the wes

[47:48] t

[47:48] where the v.a. Hospital is, tha

[47:50] t

[47:50] has the office land use.

[47:52] so this would let it extend on

[47:57]

[47:57] to the u.f. Health south campu

[48:00] s.

[48:00] on that compatibility, here is

[48:02] a

[48:02] table showing other hospital

[48:05] complex properties in the city

[48:06]

[48:06] just to kind of show how those

[48:08]

[48:08] have similar land use and zonin

[48:10] g

[48:10] districts of what the purpose o

[48:12] f

[48:12] this application is for to have

[48:14]

[48:14] consistency in that.

[48:16] so a couple are listed here,

[48:18] including like north florida,

[48:19] the v.a. Hospital, hca archer,

[48:23]

[48:23] showing they also have that

[48:24] office land use designation.

[48:25] and with the companion rezoning

[48:28]

[48:28] application, the medical

[48:29] services.

[48:29] and then to touch on conformance

[48:38]

[48:38] with the land use categories,

[48:40] this is just a brief summary o

[48:42] f

[48:42] some of the differences between

[48:43]

[48:43] the current land use category

[48:45] and the proposed one.

[48:46] this is taken from the future

[48:47] land use element of the

[48:48] comprehensive plan.

[48:49] policy.

[48:55] so when comparing them with

[48:57] highlight, umuh which is the

[48:58] current one has a six-story

[49:00] maximum, eight stories with

[49:03] bonus.

[49:03] office has a five-story maximum

[49:05]

[49:05] and then it also has the

[49:07] addition of specifically for

[49:09] large scale medical facilities

[49:11]

[49:11] that are located in medical

[49:13] services zoning, they can go u

[49:17] p

[49:17] to 14 stories but they have to

[49:17]

[49:17] have a special use permit whic

[49:19] h

[49:19] is a special review process.

[49:21] those also go before the city

[49:23] plan board.

[49:24] just something to keep in m

[49:25] with that.

[49:28] and in addition, this petition

[49:31]

[49:31] specifically is just for the

[49:32] land use but I did want to

[49:34] provide context that the next

[49:36] petition will be for the zonin

[49:38] g.

[49:38] per our land development code

[49:39] and comprehensive plan, the onl

[49:41] y

[49:41] future land use category that

[49:42] allows for the proposed medical

[49:45]

[49:45] services zoning is the office

[49:46] land use.

[49:47] so just important to keep in

[49:48] mind for compatibility purpose

[49:52] s.

[49:52] and my last point on this is t

[49:53] he

[49:53] office land use in our

[49:55] comprehensive plan does

[49:56] highlight that it is for like

[50:00] hospital uses, as one of the

[50:02] parts that it's for.

[50:04] in addition to that, the

[50:05] specific use of hospital is onl

[50:08] y

[50:08] permitted in that medical

[50:10] services zoning which is only

[50:11] allowed in the office land use

[50:13] .

[50:13] so just to connect all the dot

[50:14] s

[50:14] on that.

[50:18] this was just a broader map to

[50:20]

[50:20] use if needed.

[50:22] and that brings us to the end,

[50:24]

[50:24] so based on the review of this

[50:25]

[50:25] criteria, staff recommends

[50:26] approval of this petition.

[50:28] and the city plan board on

[50:30] december 18th, 2025 voted 6-0

[50:33] to recommend approval of

[50:35] petition ld 25-000104 as well.

[50:39]

[50:39] we are available for any

[50:40] questions.

[50:40] and the applicant also has a

[50:42] presentation.

[50:42] >> mayor: okay.

[50:44] >> thank you.

[50:45] >> mayor: thank you.

[50:46] the applicant want to come up

[50:48] and walk us through it?

[50:53] >> good evening, mr. Mayor,

[50:54] commissioners.

[50:54] ryan thompson, mv5, the agency

[51:00]

[51:00] agent for the applicant.

[51:03] essentially we're here to allow

[51:06]

[51:06] this property to develop like

[51:07] all of their hospital campuses

[51:09]

[51:09] in the city of gainesville.

[51:10] when the city went through the

[51:15]

[51:15] transect zone it was the u9.

[51:23] the previous zoning district

[51:25] standards, there's a concern

[51:26] that there may be some

[51:32] conformance challenges with th

[51:35] e

[51:35] property.

[51:35] and we just want to make sure

[51:37] that none of that is the case.

[51:38]

[51:38] then we also want to maximize

[51:41] the opportunities on this site

[51:45]

[51:45] for u.f. Health and our

[51:47] community.

[51:47] the first application is -- and

[51:54]

[51:54] by the way, I do have a combine

[51:56] d

[51:56] presentation if that's okay wit

[51:57] h

[51:57] this commission.

[51:58] okay.

[51:58] the first application is for

[52:03] comprehensive plan amendment

[52:04] from umuh to office.

[52:07] and a rezoning from u9 to

[52:09] medical services.

[52:10] and again, we're just looking

[52:13] for what all other hospital

[52:14] campuses have within the city o

[52:18] f

[52:18] gainesville.

[52:18] we did properly notice the

[52:21] public for our neighborhood

[52:22] workshop.

[52:22] we had four attendees,

[52:25] discussions about the zoning

[52:27] change and what is most

[52:29] appropriate for this site given

[52:31]

[52:31] the context of development

[52:32] that's already occurred.

[52:34] we have followed the city's

[52:36] process for small scale

[52:39] comprehensive plan amendment a

[52:40] nd

[52:40] rezoning applications.

[52:45] the justification for the

[52:47] request, there's multiple point

[52:48] s

[52:48] here that should be made.

[52:50] one that's not on here is the

[52:52] demand for hospital beds is

[52:54] going up as our population age

[52:57] s.

[52:57] and they desire -- and industry

[53:00]

[53:00] trends that are going towards

[53:02] single occupancy rooms.

[53:03] so the amount of square footag

[53:04] e

[53:04] in the facilities that u.f.

[53:06] health has currently will reduc

[53:08] e

[53:08] the number of people that they

[53:11]

[53:11] will be able to treat, switching

[53:14]

[53:14] from multiple occupant rooms t

[53:16] o

[53:16] single occupant rooms.

[53:21] and they are obviously

[53:22] constrained in their capacity

[53:24] with their existing facilities.

[53:26]

[53:26] the south campus is

[53:28] substantially built and site

[53:29] constrained.

[53:29] redevelopment on this site nee

[53:32] ds

[53:32] to occur vertically.

[53:35] and on site hospitals were

[53:37] permitted under umu2 standards

[53:40]

[53:40] as I mentioned before.

[53:42] and this is the only hospita

[53:43] campus in the city of

[53:47] gainesville that does not have

[53:47]

[53:47] the offic land use designation

[53:50]

[53:50] of medical services district.

[53:53] and the md zoning district was

[53:55]

[53:55] specifically intended for these

[53:56]

[53:56] types of facilities.

[54:02] this is a context map of the

[54:03] site.

[54:03] I will work through these

[54:06] quickly due to staff's thorough

[54:08]

[54:08] presentation.

[54:08] we're bound to the north by

[54:12] archer road and to the east by

[54:14]

[54:14] 13th street.

[54:16] and immediately south of the

[54:19] university of florida main

[54:21] campus.

[54:21] it's effectively an extension o

[54:24] f

[54:24] u.f. Health facilities there.

[54:27] this is a close-up of the site.

[54:29]

[54:29] again, the adjacent roadways.

[54:31] u.f. Health shands to the north

[54:35] ,

[54:35] the v.a. Hospital which has the

[54:37]

[54:37] office land use and medical

[54:39] services zoning to the west.

[54:41] and typically, apartments or

[54:46] auto-oriented retail type uses

[54:48]

[54:48] to the east and to the south.

[54:52] we did a little bit of site

[54:54] assessment on the property.

[54:55] there are two primary areas tha

[54:57] t

[54:57] would develop on this site.

[54:58] there's a surface parking lot

[55:00] along 16th to the west and

[55:02] then a surface parking lot and

[55:04]

[55:04] one story building along 13th

[55:08] street.

[55:08] you can see that this site is

[55:11] substantially developed.

[55:13] it's already established.

[55:16] the frontage and streetscape

[55:17] along archer road and 13th

[55:19] street and redevelopment on the

[55:20]

[55:20] site would continue in that

[55:21] pattern.

[55:21] there is substantial pedestria

[55:25] n

[55:25] facilities enter into the site

[55:29]

[55:29] with wide sidewalks, some of

[55:30] which are even covered and

[55:32] amenities around the stormwate

[55:34] r

[55:34] ponds as well.

[55:37] u.f. Health has done a

[55:39] conceptual master plan as

[55:41] identified these two areas for

[55:42]

[55:42] development.

[55:42] this is the existing land use of

[55:50]

[55:50] the property.

[55:51] it's umuh high as described in

[55:55]

[55:55] the comprehensive plan.

[55:56] it's aligned with multi-family

[55:57]

[55:57] and commercial uses which

[56:00] typically abut the university of

[56:02]

[56:02] florida except in this case.

[56:05] and the proposed is office whi

[56:08] ch

[56:08] is specifically allows hospita

[56:13] ls

[56:13] and medical uses.

[56:14] the existing zoning is u9 which

[56:17]

[56:17] is characterized in the land

[56:19] development code for high

[56:20] density residential and

[56:21] commercial uses.

[56:23] and the proposed md zoning

[56:24] district is the only zoning

[56:26] district specific for hospitals

[56:30] .

[56:30] and it's consistent with all

[56:31] others in the city.

[56:34] this is a step back from that

[56:37] zoning map.

[56:37] you can see that there are

[56:40] medical facilities including t

[56:41] he

[56:41] v.a. Hospital that are along

[56:43] this segment of archer road tha

[56:45] t

[56:45] share our requested land use a

[56:47] nd

[56:47] zoning.

[56:47] and then looking at the other

[56:50] facilities, we have north

[56:53] florida to the north.

[56:55] we have the v.a. Hospital to o

[56:56] ur

[56:56] west.

[56:56] and we have the new hca facilit

[57:01] y

[57:01] on archer road and I-75 all

[57:03] sharing the office land use and

[57:05]

[57:05] md zoning.

[57:07] staff has reviewed the

[57:09] applications and found them

[57:10] consistent with the

[57:11] comprehensive plan.

[57:15] this, in fact, would discourag

[57:17] e

[57:17] urban sprawl being that bewould

[57:21]

[57:21] redevelop an infill and focus o

[57:23] n

[57:23] maximizing this campus.

[57:26] and staff has also found the

[57:29] code compliant -- or the

[57:30] application compliant with the

[57:32]

[57:32] land development code.

[57:35] staff has recommended approval

[57:36]

[57:36] for both the small scale

[57:37] comprehensive plan amendment a

[57:39] nd

[57:39] rezoning applications.

[57:41] and the city plan board

[57:42] unanimously recommended approva

[57:43] l

[57:43] in december.

[57:45] so with that, I'm happy to

[57:46] answer any questions.

[57:47] I hope I didn't belabor it too

[57:48]

[57:48] much.

[57:48] I know staff's presentation was

[57:51]

[57:51] very thorough.

[57:52] thank you very much.

[57:53] >> mayor: thank you.

[57:55] all right.

[57:57] commissioner willits.

[57:58] >> some quick questions for

[57:59] staff.

[57:59] would changing this land use -

[58:03] -

[58:03] and I guess potentially the

[58:06] zoning.

[58:06] I have a couple of specific --

[58:09]

[58:09] >> mayor: hold on a second.

[58:12] >> broadcast, we have a screen

[58:13]

[58:13] that shows we are in recess.

[58:18] >> the broadcast light is still

[58:21]

[58:21] on.

[58:21] >> mayor: yes.

[58:25] we just need confirmation that

[58:26]

[58:26] we are definitely broadcasting.

[58:28]

[58:28] >> there's a thumb's up back

[58:34] there.

[58:34] >> I saw the light on.

[58:36] >> mayor: all right.

[58:36] if we're comfortable that we

[58:37] have a thumb's up, go ahead.

[58:39] >> sorry.

[58:40] so the changing this to the

[58:43] office, potential redevelopment

[58:45] ,

[58:45] would this require -- the answe

[58:47] r

[58:47] is probably both the current a

[58:49] nd

[58:49] the proposed.

[58:51] putting an additional sidewalk

[58:53]

[58:53] on southwest 14th street on

[58:54] the east side of that?

[58:56] because right now there's one o

[58:57] n

[58:57] the west side closer to hotel

[58:59] ellio.

[58:59] but in the undeveloped one,

[59:03] single story building and

[59:05] parking lot, there's not a

[59:06] sidewalk on that side.

[59:07] I would assume both of these

[59:09] zonings if redeveloped, they

[59:11] would have to build a sidewalk

[59:13]

[59:13] internal to the whole project

[59:14] but along 14th street.

[59:16] >> yeah, potentially.

[59:18] it would come down to the land

[59:21]

[59:21] development review and the sta

[59:22] ff

[59:22] analysis of that.

[59:23] we'd work with transportation

[59:25] and evaluate the code

[59:26] requirements to verify like wh

[59:30] at

[59:30] is needed based on the scale a

[59:32] nd

[59:32] intensity of what is proposed

[59:34] for redevelopment.

[59:35] >> everything that was already

[59:37]

[59:37] there under the current, you

[59:41] know, development, there's a

[59:41] sidewalk on every street

[59:43] fronting face I believe

[59:45] almost -- besides a little pie

[59:48] ce

[59:48] of 14th ave does not have a

[59:50] sidewalk next to it.

[59:51] so I just wondered what will

[59:53] force -- will that force chang

[59:55] es

[59:55] on the opposite side.

[59:56] so this -- why did we move it t

[1:00:00] o

[1:00:00] this?

[1:00:00] well, we moved to transect

[1:00:04] zones.

[1:00:04] why that parcel?

[1:00:05] how did it kind of get there

[1:00:07] instead of being -- I know

[1:00:10] decades ago or not that long

[1:00:12] ago, there was an old hotel on

[1:00:13]

[1:00:13] the site, which is much more a

[1:00:17] n

[1:00:17] ofurban use than office.

[1:00:20] >> yes.

[1:00:21] from my understanding from the

[1:00:22]

[1:00:22] research for this staff report,

[1:00:23]

[1:00:23] we looked back so prior to 2017

[1:00:27]

[1:00:27] it was the umu-2.

[1:00:29] and in 2017 when the transect

[1:00:33] zoning and associated land use

[1:00:34]

[1:00:34] categories were implemented,

[1:00:37] with the comprehensive plan, t

[1:00:40] he

[1:00:40] umuh written in that category I

[1:00:42] s

[1:00:42] to use it for research and

[1:00:45] development along the periphery

[1:00:47]

[1:00:47] of u.f. Campus along the east

[1:00:48] and west.

[1:00:48] and I think that's where it ki

[1:00:50] nd

[1:00:50] of fell looking that way in

[1:00:52] terms of the analysis of where

[1:00:55]

[1:00:55] the campus was.

[1:00:56] so I think that's why it was

[1:00:58] rezoned that way.

[1:01:02] that's what we found in the

[1:01:03] analysis.

[1:01:03] >> mayor: that rezoning, did I

[1:01:05] t

[1:01:05] happen in between the building

[1:01:08]

[1:01:08] of the cancer center and the

[1:01:10] heart and vascular hvn?

[1:01:13] I'm trying to remember the

[1:01:14] order.

[1:01:14] I'm trying to remember when th

[1:01:18] at

[1:01:18] was done?

[1:01:19] are they eight story hospitals

[1:01:20]

[1:01:20] and this opens up to a 14 story

[1:01:29] ?

[1:01:29] >> I'm dial trying to remember.

[1:01:31]

[1:01:31] the built environment is

[1:01:33] determined by the rules.

[1:01:34] >> certainly, mr. Mayor, thank

[1:01:35]

[1:01:35] you.

[1:01:35] so the cancer hospital and the

[1:01:43]

[1:01:43] 13th garage were in 2009.

[1:01:45] the hvn hospital was --

[1:01:51] >> it was before that.

[1:01:53] >> they were both under the umu

[1:01:56]

[1:01:56] 2 standards.

[1:01:56] >> and now looking to the next.

[1:01:58]

[1:01:58] >> mr. Mayor, if I may opine o

[1:01:59] n

[1:01:59] your previous question.

[1:02:01] certainly, they would put

[1:02:03] sidewalks there when that

[1:02:04] portion of the site is

[1:02:04] redeveloped regardless of what

[1:02:09]

[1:02:09] the uldc or land development

[1:02:12] code requires.

[1:02:13] >> I was wondering because

[1:02:15] southwest 14th ave swimming

[1:02:16] pools to 14th street doesn't

[1:02:18] have sidewalks.

[1:02:19] as someone who has walked that

[1:02:21]

[1:02:21] site many, many times as it's

[1:02:23] between work and home, it is

[1:02:24] frustrating there is not a

[1:02:26] sidewalk on southwest 14th.

[1:02:27] I understand maybe that's not

[1:02:28] where you want people to walk

[1:02:29] because that's where the

[1:02:30] ambulances are coming in and

[1:02:31] out.

[1:02:31] but the truth is, you know --

[1:02:33] >> I understand.

[1:02:34] >> people would prefer to walk

[1:02:35]

[1:02:35] through the middle of a

[1:02:36] beautiful campus than down on

[1:02:37] some of the arterial roads.

[1:02:39] >> certainly.

[1:02:40] >> that's why I asked about the

[1:02:41]

[1:02:41] internal because I know I use I

[1:02:45] t

[1:02:45] to cut through.

[1:02:47] it's very pleasant.

[1:02:48] fountains and ponds and ducks o

[1:02:51] r

[1:02:51] whatever.

[1:02:51] >> certainly.

[1:02:52] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:02:53] >> and then so I think that's

[1:02:54] it.

[1:02:54] this could potentially be a muc

[1:02:57] h

[1:02:57] larger tower on that southeast

[1:02:58]

[1:02:58] corner.

[1:02:58] like it could be a 14 story

[1:03:00] hospital or support office for

[1:03:05] a

[1:03:05] hospital in the future.

[1:03:08] >> yes.

[1:03:08] and just as confirmation, with

[1:03:12]

[1:03:12] the office land use if approve

[1:03:14] d,

[1:03:14] they would have to apply for a

[1:03:16]

[1:03:16] special use permit.

[1:03:18] that would have to go through

[1:03:19] staff review.

[1:03:20] there would be public engagemen

[1:03:22] t

[1:03:22] associated with that, a

[1:03:24] neighborhood workshop.

[1:03:25] and it would go before the cit

[1:03:27] y

[1:03:27] plan board.

[1:03:27] >> but not before the city

[1:03:29] commission because special use

[1:03:30]

[1:03:30] permits are only done --

[1:03:32] >> correct, yeah.

[1:03:33] >> through the plan board.

[1:03:34] well, this all makes sense.

[1:03:35] I did see when the sign got

[1:03:37] stakeholder and asked city sta

[1:03:38] ff

[1:03:38] so I got a little head's up

[1:03:40] about some of this internal.

[1:03:41] I'm glad some members of the

[1:03:45] public went to the meeting at

[1:03:46] least through zoom or teams.

[1:03:49] it is a little weird, but it

[1:03:50] does make sense that if office

[1:03:52]

[1:03:52] is more appropriate, like the

[1:03:53] other ones.

[1:03:57] do you know this personally in

[1:03:58]

[1:03:58] your district?

[1:03:58] >> uh-huh.

[1:04:00] >> that very little corner.

[1:04:01] I don't think they are going t

[1:04:02] o

[1:04:02] build anything on it.

[1:04:03] on my corner, they might.

[1:04:05] with that, I would like to mov

[1:04:10] e

[1:04:10] adoption of 2025-992, u.f.

[1:04:13] health south campus land use

[1:04:15] change.

[1:04:15] >> second.

[1:04:17] >> mayor: motion and second.

[1:04:18] commissioner -- excuse me,

[1:04:19] mr. Manager.

[1:04:23] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:04:24] mr. Thompson answered the

[1:04:27] question.

[1:04:27] I think I wrote the staff repor

[1:04:29] t

[1:04:29] back in the day but mr. Thompso

[1:04:31] n

[1:04:31] answered it.

[1:04:32] >> mayor: commissioner eastman.

[1:04:32]

[1:04:32] >> you answered a lot of my

[1:04:33] questions.

[1:04:33] I was confused similarly why we

[1:04:36]

[1:04:36] would be going down in intense

[1:04:41]

[1:04:41] to medical.

[1:04:42] first it says here in permitted

[1:04:44]

[1:04:44] use, hospital not listed.

[1:04:46] health services permitted.

[1:04:47] I was looking through our code.

[1:04:49]

[1:04:49] is a hospital considered health

[1:04:51]

[1:04:51] services because it's two

[1:04:52] different sections of our code.

[1:04:53]

[1:04:53] >> yeah.

[1:04:54] that's a great question that w

[1:04:55] e

[1:04:55] looked into as well.

[1:04:58] so for context, urban 9, the

[1:05:00] current zoning district allows

[1:05:02]

[1:05:02] for health services.

[1:05:03] health services in our land

[1:05:04] development code is defined as

[1:05:06]

[1:05:06] establishments primarily engag

[1:05:08] ed

[1:05:08] in furnishing medical, surgical

[1:05:10]

[1:05:10] and other health services to

[1:05:12] persons and pets.

[1:05:14] hospitals specifically does no

[1:05:15] t

[1:05:15] have a definition in our

[1:05:17] definition section.

[1:05:18] medical services is the only

[1:05:21] zoning district that allows by

[1:05:23]

[1:05:23] right the hospital use.

[1:05:27] we differentiate the two uses

[1:05:29] when it comes down to intensity

[1:05:31]

[1:05:31] mostly.

[1:05:31] so we consider like hospitals t

[1:05:34] o

[1:05:34] have a higher intensity in ter

[1:05:37] ms

[1:05:37] of use, size, types of health

[1:05:38] services that they are offering.

[1:05:40]

[1:05:40] especially when we start

[1:05:41] considering like number of bed

[1:05:43] s

[1:05:43] and patient/outpatient hours o

[1:05:46] f

[1:05:46] service.

[1:05:46] so we mainly scale it down to

[1:05:49] intensity for what that

[1:05:51] difference is.

[1:05:52] >> okay.

[1:05:53] because I mean one of the

[1:05:54] benefits of u9 is when you hav

[1:05:57] e

[1:05:57] that flexibility of uses, you d

[1:05:59] o

[1:05:59] things like you can build a

[1:06:01] hotel.

[1:06:01] if you are in that zoning

[1:06:02] district, hotel ellio, would

[1:06:05] that be considered conforming

[1:06:06] under the new zoning district?

[1:06:13]

[1:06:13] >> yes.

[1:06:14] hotel is also permitted in the

[1:06:15]

[1:06:15] md zoning district.

[1:06:17] >> then I guess md is more

[1:06:19] flexibility than the title may

[1:06:21]

[1:06:21] suggest.

[1:06:21] I'm comfortable with it.

[1:06:22] it makes sense.

[1:06:23] yeah, those are my questions.

[1:06:25] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:06:26] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:06:27] madam clerk, there any public

[1:06:28] comment on this?

[1:06:29] >> there is no public comment,

[1:06:30]

[1:06:30] mr. Mayor.

[1:06:31] >> mayor: I so he no further

[1:06:31] lights, let's call the roll.

[1:06:37] >> commissioner duncan-walker.

[1:06:38]

[1:06:38] >> aye.

[1:06:38] >> commissioner book.

[1:06:39] >> aye.

[1:06:39] >> commissioner willits.

[1:06:39] >> aye.

[1:06:40] >> commissioner eastman.

[1:06:40] >> aye.

[1:06:41] >> commissioner ingle.

[1:06:42] >> aye.

[1:06:42] >> commissioner chestnut.

[1:06:43] >> aye.

[1:06:44] >> mayor ward.

[1:06:44] >> mayor: aye.

[1:06:44] that passes unanimously.

[1:06:46] madam clerk, before we go on, I

[1:06:47]

[1:06:47] don't want to let this pass

[1:06:49] without mentions this when you

[1:06:53]

[1:06:53] look at the map of the 10 bloc

[1:06:55] ks

[1:06:55] between basically southwest

[1:06:57] 23rd street to southwest

[1:06:59] 13th street along archer road

[1:07:01] and southwest 16th avenue, it

[1:07:05] repeating that this is

[1:07:08] among the most, ifot the most

[1:07:10] dense employment area.

[1:07:12] it probably in florida, maybe

[1:07:14] throughout the southeast

[1:07:15] consistently because it is

[1:07:16] almost all 24/7 employment.

[1:07:19] and it includes everything fro

[1:07:22] m,

[1:07:22] you know, world-class medical

[1:07:25] college to to the associated

[1:07:32] hospitals with that and all the

[1:07:33]

[1:07:33] offices that support u.f. Healt

[1:07:35] h

[1:07:35] throughout and the largest v.a

[1:07:42] .

[1:07:42] hospital headquarters.

[1:07:50] all that is something you don't

[1:07:52]

[1:07:52] encounter in most communities.

[1:07:53]

[1:07:53] we take it for granted but

[1:07:54] should not take it for granted

[1:07:56] ,

[1:07:56] not only for the jobs, the ver

[1:07:58] y

[1:07:58] good jobs that it provides

[1:07:59] throughout that sector, but the

[1:08:02]

[1:08:02] opportunity for people to come

[1:08:03]

[1:08:03] and be healed in our community

[1:08:06]

[1:08:06] in a way that other communities

[1:08:07]

[1:08:07] are envious of.

[1:08:09] it's important when we have any

[1:08:11]

[1:08:11] opportunity to repeat all that,

[1:08:13]

[1:08:13] so that we don't ever forget I

[1:08:15] t.

[1:08:15] it's something we should walk

[1:08:16] out of here feeling pretty dar

[1:08:18] n

[1:08:18] good about.

[1:08:19] madam clerk.

[1:08:25] [inaudible]

[1:08:25] >> mayor: that's the theory.

[1:08:27] [laughter]

[1:08:27] >> mr. Mayor.

[1:08:30] >> mayor: yes, we are very

[1:08:31] grateful for that. >>

[1:08:32] >> we are very grateful.

[1:08:32] mr. Mayor, we are on to

[1:08:34] ordinance number 2025-993, an

[1:08:36] ordinance of the city of

[1:08:38] gainesville, florida amending

[1:08:40] the zoning map atlas by rezoning

[1:08:41]

[1:08:41] approximately 25.55 acres of

[1:08:44] property generally located wes

[1:08:45] t

[1:08:45] of southwest 13th street,

[1:08:47] south of southwest archer road,

[1:08:48]

[1:08:48] east of southwest 16th street

[1:08:51] and north of southwest 16th

[1:08:53] avenue as more specifically

[1:08:53] described in this ordinance fro

[1:08:56] m

[1:08:56] urban 9 to medical services

[1:08:59] providing directions, providing

[1:09:02]

[1:09:02] severability clause, providing

[1:09:04]

[1:09:04] repealing clause and providing

[1:09:06]

[1:09:06] an effective date.

[1:09:07] >> mayor: welcome back.

[1:09:08] >> thank you.

[1:09:09] good evening again.

[1:09:12] allison pedder, to preface in

[1:09:16] this presentation will be

[1:09:17] identical to the previous item

[1:09:18]

[1:09:18] so I'll skip past those and

[1:09:20] briefly summarize them.

[1:09:22] feel free to stop me if you'd

[1:09:23] like me to go more in-depth.

[1:09:25] so for the record, this is the

[1:09:27]

[1:09:27] presentation before you now for

[1:09:28]

[1:09:28] the zoning map change which is

[1:09:30]

[1:09:30] quasi-judicial for petition

[1:09:32] number ld 25-000106 for u.f.

[1:09:37] health south campus.

[1:09:39] for this request, the current

[1:09:40] zoning designation is urban 9

[1:09:42] and the proposed change

[1:09:43] requested is for medical

[1:09:44] services md.

[1:09:56] but nothing has changed in the

[1:10:01] m.

[1:10:01] this petition was reviewed usi

[1:10:02] ng

[1:10:02] the criteria outlined in secti

[1:10:05] on

[1:10:05] 30-3.14 of the land development

[1:10:07]

[1:10:07] code and the corresponding

[1:10:09] sections of the comprehensive

[1:10:10] plan for the city of

[1:10:12] gainesville.

[1:10:12] the criteria shown on this sli

[1:10:13] de

[1:10:13] are explored in the backup and

[1:10:15]

[1:10:15] staff report.

[1:10:16] I have a couple of quick point

[1:10:17] s

[1:10:17] I wanted to expand in more

[1:10:19] detail.

[1:10:19] so this proposal is to change

[1:10:22] from urban 9 which is a transec

[1:10:23] t

[1:10:23] zone to medical services which

[1:10:25]

[1:10:25] is one of the special zoning

[1:10:26] districts.

[1:10:26] and then as a quick reminder a

[1:10:30] nd

[1:10:30] recap with the last item being

[1:10:31]

[1:10:31] approved for the change in lan

[1:10:33] d

[1:10:33] use to office, our land

[1:10:36] development code and

[1:10:37] comprehensive plan do state tha

[1:10:38] t

[1:10:38] the only future land use

[1:10:39] category that allows for the m

[1:10:42] d

[1:10:42] zoning is office.

[1:10:45] and some other things to keep I

[1:10:47] n

[1:10:47] mind in terms of permitted use

[1:10:49] s,

[1:10:49] the use of hospitals only

[1:10:50] permitted in medical services

[1:10:52] md.

[1:10:52] this is a reminder of the

[1:10:59] compatibility element of this t

[1:11:00] o

[1:11:00] bring it into consistency with

[1:11:02]

[1:11:02] the other hospital campuses see

[1:11:04] n

[1:11:04] around the city that also have

[1:11:06]

[1:11:06] that md zoning.

[1:11:09] and this is just a quick

[1:11:10] comparison table of the two

[1:11:11] zoning districts.

[1:11:13] so u9 which is a transect zone

[1:11:15]

[1:11:15] and medical services which is a

[1:11:17]

[1:11:17] special district, a lot of the

[1:11:19] se

[1:11:19] have already been kind of talked ab

[1:11:21] about but the main ones being

[1:11:23] the permitted uses, the height.

[1:11:25]

[1:11:25] just a quick glance over that

[1:11:28] with the special district

[1:11:29] medical services, it's five

[1:11:32] stories by right, 14 with a

[1:11:34] special use permit for those

[1:11:38] larger medical facilities.

[1:11:39] other than that, medical

[1:11:40] services is a special district

[1:11:42]

[1:11:42] hathat has its own section.

[1:11:48] and this is just a broader map

[1:11:50]

[1:11:50] showing the zoning of the area.

[1:11:54]

[1:11:54] and lastly, based on the revie

[1:11:56] w

[1:11:56] of this criteria, staff

[1:11:57] recommends approval of petition

[1:11:59]

[1:11:59] ld 25-000106 and the city plan

[1:12:02]

[1:12:02] board on december 18th of 2025

[1:12:05]

[1:12:05] voted 6-0 to recommend approva

[1:12:06] l

[1:12:06] of the petition as well.

[1:12:10] we are available for questions

[1:12:15]

[1:12:15] and mv5 is also here.

[1:12:16] >> mayor: would the applicant

[1:12:17] like to add anything to this?

[1:12:21] >> not other than having my

[1:12:23] presentation from the previous

[1:12:24]

[1:12:24] item reflected in the record.

[1:12:26] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:12:27] >> mayor: absolutely, yes.

[1:12:29] thank you.

[1:12:30] commissioner ingle.

[1:12:31] >> move staff recommendation o

[1:12:34] f

[1:12:34] 2025-993.

[1:12:34] >> second.

[1:12:36] >> mayor: motion and second.

[1:12:37] and commissioner book.

[1:12:39] >> yeah, thank you.

[1:12:39] this is precisely the type of

[1:12:41] presentation that helps us be

[1:12:43] prepared to make something lik

[1:12:44] e

[1:12:44] this. The

[1:12:44] the nuances of something like a

[1:12:47]

[1:12:47] health use versus a hospital an

[1:12:49] d

[1:12:49] the fact that it has different

[1:12:50]

[1:12:50] densities in the same area and

[1:12:52]

[1:12:52] really doesn't change the

[1:12:54] overall character of the area I

[1:12:55] s

[1:12:55] very helpful for this.

[1:12:57] so this is very, very good

[1:12:59] preparation by staff.

[1:13:00] and this was a really -- I

[1:13:02] didn't even know why this was

[1:13:03] coming before us.

[1:13:04] seemed like I would have thoug

[1:13:06] ht

[1:13:06] that this was a use that could

[1:13:07]

[1:13:07] have been done in that area, b

[1:13:09] ut

[1:13:09] for the fact that we have very,

[1:13:11]

[1:13:11] very precise land use and zonin

[1:13:13] g

[1:13:13] standards.

[1:13:13] I appreciate staff in this

[1:13:19] particular case and support the

[1:13:20]

[1:13:20] motion.

[1:13:20] >> mayor: commissioner willits

[1:13:22] .

[1:13:22] >> thank you, mr. Mayor. Yo

[1:13:24] you know, it's like -- it feels

[1:13:26]

[1:13:26] like a small change but in

[1:13:27] essence it is also saying

[1:13:28] there's less land.

[1:13:30] we have just dezoned a chunk of

[1:13:37]

[1:13:37] land that could be --

[1:13:43] [inaudible] if u.f. Said let's

[1:13:47]

[1:13:47] build a dorm for nursing

[1:13:48] students and now 20 per acre, w

[1:13:50] e

[1:13:50] do remove some -- the changes

[1:13:53] aren't completely minimal.

[1:13:54] it does change with the future.

[1:13:56]

[1:13:56] but I think this is more in line

[1:13:58]

[1:13:58] with what u.f. Health is looki

[1:14:00] ng

[1:14:00] at.

[1:14:00] people can't say we never do

[1:14:02] anything for u.f. Health.

[1:14:03] like this is, you know, a help

[1:14:05]

[1:14:05] for them to build that.

[1:14:06] and I just want to also give

[1:14:08] thanks to ms. Pager.

[1:14:20] I'm glad you're the person here

[1:14:22]

[1:14:22] to do all the research to answe

[1:14:24]

[1:14:24] my questions.

[1:14:25] thank you.

[1:14:26] >> happy to help.

[1:14:27] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:14:28] commissioner willits.

[1:14:28] commissioner eastman.

[1:14:30] >> thank you.

[1:14:31] since I got on my soapbox last

[1:14:33]

[1:14:33] time about pds when making the

[1:14:35]

[1:14:35] change, another thing that is on

[1:14:37]

[1:14:37] that staff looking at that

[1:14:39] spreadsheet of all the work th

[1:14:40] at

[1:14:40] you guys are doing is to look a

[1:14:41] t

[1:14:41] our allowed use tables.

[1:14:43] I have not asked this directly

[1:14:45]

[1:14:45] but I'm guessing the differenc

[1:14:46] e

[1:14:46] between medical services and

[1:14:47] hospitals is the main purpose o

[1:14:48] f

[1:14:48] this changeover. And

[1:14:51] and well, regardless, I think it

[1:14:53]

[1:14:53] is important that we have that,

[1:14:55]

[1:14:55] you know, if there are

[1:14:57] allowances that make sense

[1:14:58] within certain zoning districts

[1:14:59]

[1:14:59] that we simply make those

[1:15:01] updates, we might not have tak

[1:15:07] en

[1:15:07] a different look since we made

[1:15:09]

[1:15:09] transects.

[1:15:09] now we have lots of time and

[1:15:11] experience under our belt as t

[1:15:12] o

[1:15:12] what makes sense where and wha

[1:15:14] t

[1:15:14] applicants are coming and askin

[1:15:16] g

[1:15:16] us for.

[1:15:16] I'm looking forward to getting

[1:15:18]

[1:15:18] that back whenever the plan

[1:15:19] board gets done with that.

[1:15:21] I think it's well overdue to

[1:15:24] take a second set of eyes.

[1:15:26] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:15:27] commissioner eastman.

[1:15:28] is there any public comment,

[1:15:29] madam clerk?

[1:15:31] >> no public comment.

[1:15:32] >> mayor: let's call the roll.

[1:15:32]

[1:15:32] >> commissioner book.

[1:15:33] >> aye.

[1:15:33] >> commissioner willits.

[1:15:34] >> aye.

[1:15:34] >> commissioner eastman.

[1:15:35] >> aye.

[1:15:36] >> commissioner ingle.

[1:15:36] >> aye.

[1:15:37] >> commissioner chestnut.

[1:15:37] >> aye.

[1:15:38] >> commissioner duncan-walker.

[1:15:38]

[1:15:38] >> aye.

[1:15:40] >> mayor ward.

[1:15:40] >> mayor: aye. That

[1:15:41] that passes unanimously.

[1:15:42] madam clerk.

[1:15:42] >> mr. Mayor, we are on to

[1:15:44] ordinance number 2025-994, an

[1:15:49] ordinance of the city of

[1:15:50] gainesville, florida amending

[1:15:51] the future land use map of the

[1:15:53]

[1:15:53] comprehensive plan by changing

[1:15:54]

[1:15:54] the land use category of

[1:15:56] approximately 1.38 acres of

[1:15:58] property generally located at

[1:15:59] the 1200 block of northeast

[1:16:01] 8th avenue as more

[1:16:04] specifically described in this

[1:16:05]

[1:16:05] ordinance from mixed use

[1:16:07] office/residential to urban

[1:16:09] mixed use.

[1:16:09] providing directions to the cit

[1:16:11] y

[1:16:11] manager, providing a

[1:16:12] severability clause, providing

[1:16:13] a

[1:16:13] repealing clause and providing

[1:16:15]

[1:16:15] an effective date.

[1:16:16] >> mayor: very good.

[1:16:19] commissioner chestnut.

[1:16:20] >> thank you.

[1:16:22] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:16:23] I will be abstaining on this

[1:16:26] vote on ordinance number

[1:16:29] 2025-994 as well as ordinance

[1:16:32] number 2025-995.

[1:16:34] I have a conflict of interest,

[1:16:37]

[1:16:37] both forms have been filed wit

[1:16:38] h

[1:16:38] the clerk's office.

[1:16:40] >> mayor: very good.

[1:16:40] thank you, commissioner

[1:16:41] chestnut.

[1:16:41] mr. Chen.

[1:16:43] >> thank you.

[1:16:43] good evening, mayor and

[1:16:44] commissioners.

[1:16:44] nathan iel chen.

[1:16:53] this is the chestnut northeast

[1:16:54]

[1:16:54] 8th avenue land use change.

[1:16:59] so this is the 1200 block of

[1:17:02] northeast 8th avenue with

[1:17:04] those four parcels listed.

[1:17:06] the existing land use and zonin

[1:17:08] g

[1:17:08] district allow for mixed use

[1:17:10] development.

[1:17:10] so it is currently mixed use

[1:17:13] office residential or mor and

[1:17:16] currently urban 4 or u4 zoning.

[1:17:19]

[1:17:19] as I said, it allows

[1:17:20] it is bounded on four sides by

[1:17:26]

[1:17:26] streets, so northeast 8th avenu

[1:17:30] e

[1:17:30] to the north.

[1:17:31] northeast 12th street, northea

[1:17:35] st

[1:17:35] place to the south, and

[1:17:37] northeast to the east.

[1:17:38] as I said, it's the 1200 block

[1:17:42]

[1:17:42] of northeast 8th avenue.

[1:17:44] approximately 1.38 acres, and

[1:17:46] the proposed land use and zonin

[1:17:49] g

[1:17:49] is mixed use and urban 6.

[1:17:53] the site is currently vacant.

[1:17:55] here's the subject property on

[1:17:58]

[1:17:58] northeast 8th avenue.

[1:17:59] as I said, charles chestnut iii

[1:18:03]

[1:18:03] avenue.

[1:18:03] the subject property is in

[1:18:04] orange, and the surrounding

[1:18:06] developments are called out in

[1:18:08]

[1:18:08] blue.

[1:18:08] mainly of course the 8th and

[1:18:11] waldo road, located within

[1:18:15] walking distance of the subject

[1:18:17]

[1:18:17] property.

[1:18:17] and that of course proposes

[1:18:20] reutilization of the site,

[1:18:22] including improved facilities

[1:18:24] and other improvements, and also

[1:18:27]

[1:18:27] note I wanted to point out tha

[1:18:29] t

[1:18:29] the city-approved rezoning

[1:18:32] petitions of this office complex

[1:18:35]

[1:18:35] on the southwest corner of wal

[1:18:37] do

[1:18:37] and northeast 8th avenue.

[1:18:39] that was removing old pud and

[1:18:42] going to mixed use, which is

[1:18:44] proposed on this site as well.

[1:18:45]

[1:18:45] mixed use office residential f

[1:18:56] or

[1:18:56] the blue and outlined in orang

[1:18:58] e.

[1:18:58] the mixed use exists o to the

[1:19:00] east of the site.

[1:19:00] to the north is of course

[1:19:02] citizen's field, and the army

[1:19:05] reserve parcel that has public

[1:19:06]

[1:19:06] facilities, pf future land use

[1:19:09] ,

[1:19:09] and to the west is more mixed

[1:19:13] use residential use.

[1:19:16] and the proposed future use is

[1:19:19]

[1:19:19] urban mixed use.

[1:19:21] just comparing a little bit

[1:19:23] between the descriptions in the

[1:19:26]

[1:19:26] comprehensive plan for urban

[1:19:27] mixed use and the mixed use

[1:19:30] office residential category.

[1:19:32] here is the mixed use office

[1:19:36] residential description.

[1:19:38] allowing for more development.

[1:19:55]

[1:19:55] you'll see in the re-zoning

[1:20:00] petition, the u6 zoning allows

[1:20:02]

[1:20:02] up to 50 units per acre, which

[1:20:05]

[1:20:05] is requested for the rezoning.

[1:20:07]

[1:20:07] for height, mixed use is limit

[1:20:09] ed

[1:20:09] to three stories max yum, and

[1:20:11] urban mixed use allows four

[1:20:13] stories by rate, and five if

[1:20:16] granted with a high bonus for

[1:20:18] affordable housing or other

[1:20:20] bonuses.

[1:20:20] here's the description for urb

[1:20:22] an

[1:20:22] mixed use.

[1:20:22] as I said, up to 60 units per

[1:20:24] acre.

[1:20:24] allows for residential office

[1:20:28] retail, essentially more

[1:20:30] commercial uses at the site wit

[1:20:32] h

[1:20:32] urban mixed use.

[1:20:45] mor compatibility buffers or

[1:20:54] land-use buffers, that identify

[1:20:57]

[1:20:57] minimum requirements for the

[1:21:00] separation of land uses, so the

[1:21:01]

[1:21:01] table is read with the a-- or

[1:21:04] the subject property on the lef

[1:21:05] t

[1:21:05] x then the abutting property o

[1:21:07] n

[1:21:07] the top, so, you'll see that

[1:21:10] with the subject property, if I

[1:21:12] t

[1:21:12] were to be changed to urban

[1:21:14] mixed use and the abutting

[1:21:17] property having mixed-use

[1:21:19] residential, a type-a buffer

[1:21:22] would be applied to the

[1:21:24] remaining portion.

[1:21:25] currently, of course, no come

[1:21:27] bability buffers are required

[1:21:29] because the whole block is mix

[1:21:31] ed

[1:21:31] use residential, but with this

[1:21:34]

[1:21:34] change a type a buffer would b

[1:21:35] e

[1:21:35] applied, and I'm showing some o

[1:21:37] f

[1:21:37] the detailed language for what

[1:21:39]

[1:21:39] the buffer would entail, which

[1:21:41]

[1:21:41] includes landscaping, shade

[1:21:43] trees and an additional

[1:21:44] distance, if you will.

[1:21:50] staff reviewed and pound it

[1:21:52] meets the criteria for future

[1:21:56] land use change outlined in the

[1:21:59]

[1:21:59] comprehensive plan, and of the

[1:22:05]

[1:22:05] land development code.

[1:22:06] it allows a mix of uses and

[1:22:08] supports infill and

[1:22:10] redevelopment of the vacant

[1:22:11] site.

[1:22:11] it is a site that's well

[1:22:13] connected to existing facilitie

[1:22:15] s

[1:22:15] and services, including

[1:22:17] sidewalks on both sides o

[1:22:18] northeast 8th avenue, and land uses --

[1:22:26]

[1:22:26] mixed use and mixed use office

[1:22:26]

[1:22:26] residential.

[1:22:26] [indistinct] there are no

[1:22:28] significant environmental

[1:22:30] resources or wetlands on the

[1:22:32] property as well.

[1:22:34] more details on the petition

[1:22:36] meeting review criteria found I

[1:22:38] n

[1:22:38] the staff report.

[1:22:39] staff recommends based on the

[1:22:42] analysis that we recommend

[1:22:44] approval of the petition

[1:22:46] ld25-000124, the chestnut ne 8t

[1:22:53] h land use change, and at

[1:22:55] the city plan board meeting, t

[1:22:56] he

[1:22:56] plan board recommended approval

[1:22:57]

[1:22:57] of the petition.

[1:23:00] the applicant is here and has a

[1:23:02]

[1:23:02] presentation if you'd like, but

[1:23:03]

[1:23:03] I'm here to answer any

[1:23:04] questions.

[1:23:04] >> mayor: very good, thank

[1:23:08] you.

[1:23:08] would the applicant want to giv

[1:23:11] e

[1:23:11] us a presentation?

[1:23:12] >> good evening, mr. Mayor, and

[1:23:19]

[1:23:19] commissioners.

[1:23:19] I'm clay swayinger representin

[1:23:24] g

[1:23:24] the property tonight.

[1:23:25] I'd like to make com comments a

[1:23:29] bout

[1:23:29] the land use and zoning, and

[1:23:30] answer questions you may have.

[1:23:32]

[1:23:32] this is obviously an area of a

[1:23:35]

[1:23:35] lot of interest.

[1:23:35] I was with you in the other room

[1:23:38]

[1:23:38] this afternoon, but it's an

[1:23:39] exciting area, and it's an are

[1:23:41] a

[1:23:41] where revitalization and

[1:23:43] investment is a city priority.

[1:23:46]

[1:23:46] see the chestnut family's owned

[1:23:48]

[1:23:48] this property for quite some

[1:23:49] time, and we have been engaged

[1:23:52]

[1:23:52] to bring to the city a land-use

[1:23:54] map change from mor to umu, and

[1:23:58]

[1:23:58] the change from zoning from u4

[1:24:01]

[1:24:01] to u6.

[1:24:02] it's sort of a step up on the

[1:24:05] ladder.

[1:24:05] this is very consistent with t

[1:24:07] he

[1:24:07] approval by the commission for

[1:24:09]

[1:24:09] the, what's commonly known as

[1:24:11] the former jones edmonds

[1:24:15] property.

[1:24:15] I'm not sure if the guys in the

[1:24:18]

[1:24:18] back could put this overhead o

[1:24:19] n.

[1:24:19] I think this helps describe the

[1:24:22]

[1:24:22] area a little bit better.

[1:24:22] it's about 1.4 acres in size

[1:24:30] outlined in red, so in this are

[1:24:32] a

[1:24:32] you have jones edmonds property,

[1:24:35]

[1:24:35] changed to umu and u6.

[1:24:39] you have city properties to the

[1:24:40]

[1:24:40] north.

[1:24:40] the armory, east end eatery, t

[1:24:45] he

[1:24:45] firefighter union, baptist

[1:24:49] church west, and a mix of

[1:24:52] residential use to the south.

[1:24:53] you have a lot of different

[1:24:55] mixed uses.

[1:24:56] the properties to the north mul

[1:24:59] ,

[1:24:59] that's one of the older

[1:25:00] designations and the zoning tha

[1:25:02] t

[1:25:02] is mu1, and so obviously back I

[1:25:06] n

[1:25:06] 2017 the city approved the

[1:25:08] zonings for properties around

[1:25:11] town.

[1:25:11] u4 was placed on the property

[1:25:17] with the land use designation.

[1:25:19]

[1:25:19] this used to be an mu1 property

[1:25:23]

[1:25:23] and mul property.

[1:25:26] some of the older ant ain't ant

[1:25:35] iquated

[1:25:35] designations.

[1:25:35] the owner held back on that

[1:25:37] idea.

[1:25:37] that was a permitted use for

[1:25:39] decades on this property.

[1:25:41] the u4 and mor does not allow

[1:25:44] that permitted use.

[1:25:45] that's something that the

[1:25:46] property owner is considering,

[1:25:48]

[1:25:48] just wanted to mention sort of

[1:25:50] a

[1:25:50] little history and why we're here.

[1:25:51] here.

[1:25:51] there's a reason why someone's

[1:25:53]

[1:25:53] here before you.

[1:25:54] all this area has been chartered

[1:26:08]

[1:26:08] out for a mix of uses for highe

[1:26:10] r

[1:26:10] density, so we feel like this

[1:26:12] increase and change would be

[1:26:13] appropriate with the land use

[1:26:14] map that you have on the books

[1:26:18] ,

[1:26:18] along with its location along

[1:26:20] collector city treat.

[1:26:22] so I feel it's very compatible

[1:26:25]

[1:26:25] with that pattern.

[1:26:27] as far as building height, lan

[1:26:28] d

[1:26:28] use and zoning would allow

[1:26:30] three-story buildings.

[1:26:32] this would allow four-story

[1:26:35] buildings by right.

[1:26:36] we did hold a neighborhood

[1:26:38] workshop in the fall.

[1:26:39] we had one community attendee,

[1:26:41] and they did not have any

[1:26:43] objection to the application.

[1:26:46] we sent out notification to the

[1:26:48]

[1:26:48] nearby property owners and the

[1:26:50]

[1:26:50] notification radius, along wit

[1:26:52] h

[1:26:52] registered neighborhood

[1:26:54] associations.

[1:26:54] you're plan back in december

[1:27:00] recommended approval unanimously

[1:27:02]

[1:27:02] of the change, and your staff I

[1:27:04] s

[1:27:04] recommending approval.

[1:27:05] I preernght that.

[1:27:06] I -- I appreciate that.

[1:27:08] we've got something put together

[1:27:10]

[1:27:10] that will benefit the community,

[1:27:12]

[1:27:12] benefit the property, and

[1:27:13] hopefully bring something

[1:27:14] positive to area and continue t

[1:27:15] o

[1:27:15] build on that momentum.

[1:27:17] so, I think with that, I'll

[1:27:20] conclude and answer any

[1:27:22] questions y'all have tonight.

[1:27:23] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:27:24] all right!

[1:27:25] any questions?

[1:27:27] any comments?

[1:27:29] is there any public comment?

[1:27:32] >> yes, mr. Mayor.

[1:27:33] first, we have petria davis.

[1:27:36]

[1:27:36] >> mayor: welcome.

[1:27:39] >> good afternoon, mayor, and

[1:27:50] commissioners.

[1:27:50] I live 30 feet from the parcel

[1:27:53]

[1:27:53] being considered for the futur

[1:27:54] e

[1:27:54] land use changed from 4 unit p

[1:27:57] er

[1:27:57] acre to 6 unit per acre.

[1:28:00] I am here today to respectfull

[1:28:02] y

[1:28:02] oppose this change.

[1:28:03] increasing the k density open t

[1:28:11] he

[1:28:11] development far more intense

[1:28:12] than currently exists in our

[1:28:14] neighborhood.

[1:28:14] although the request is tied t

[1:28:17] o

[1:28:17] a funeral home, this could wou

[1:28:19] ld

[1:28:19] allow much larger structure,

[1:28:21] including the possibility of a

[1:28:23]

[1:28:23] multi-story building extremely

[1:28:26]

[1:28:26] close to my home that would

[1:28:28] significantly affect my privacy

[1:28:30] ,

[1:28:30] sunlight, and overall quality of

[1:28:31]

[1:28:31] life.

[1:28:31] this area is a family-oriented

[1:28:34]

[1:28:34] neighborhood.

[1:28:34] we have children under the age

[1:28:37]

[1:28:37] of 10 who regularly play

[1:28:40] outside, riding bicycle, playi

[1:28:42] ng

[1:28:42] basketball, and kicking soccer

[1:28:43]

[1:28:43] balls in the yard.

[1:28:45] introducing a commercial-scale

[1:28:48]

[1:28:48] facility with increased traffic

[1:28:51]

[1:28:51] and frequent visitation would

[1:28:53] create safety risks for these

[1:28:55] children who use the street and

[1:28:57]

[1:28:57] surrounding area daily.

[1:28:58] a funeral home will also be

[1:29:01] additional vehicle trips,

[1:29:03] deliveries of peak time

[1:29:07] congestion within a short time

[1:29:14]

[1:29:14] conflict of our home.

[1:29:15] beyond safety, placing a

[1:29:17] commercial building so close t

[1:29:18] o

[1:29:18] my property would negatively

[1:29:21] impact my home expral primarily

[1:29:23]

[1:29:23] change the character of the

[1:29:25] neighborhood.

[1:29:25] for these reasons I respectfull

[1:29:27] y

[1:29:27] ask you not to approve the land

[1:29:31]

[1:29:31] use change from 4 units to 6

[1:29:33] units.

[1:29:33] thank you for your time and

[1:29:34] consideration.

[1:29:34] >> thank you.

[1:29:35] >> sharon bower.

[1:29:41] >> I have a graphic I'd like t

[1:29:45] o

[1:29:45] project.

[1:29:45] this shows not the zoning, but

[1:29:56]

[1:29:56] the actual land use.

[1:29:57] here are the chestnut propertie

[1:30:00] s

[1:30:00] here.

[1:30:00] [indistinct] it's surrounded b

[1:30:07] y

[1:30:07] all sides by residential, singl

[1:30:10] e

[1:30:10] family and duplexes.

[1:30:12] most of them, or many of them

[1:30:15] like 40 feet away.

[1:30:16] after december 18th plan board

[1:30:18]

[1:30:18] meeting, our neighborhood

[1:30:20] association northeast neighbors

[1:30:21]

[1:30:21] asked why the chestnut familie

[1:30:24] s

[1:30:24] needed to use 6 zoning instead

[1:30:28]

[1:30:28] of the current 3, and 50 acres

[1:30:30]

[1:30:30] instead of 20 for their

[1:30:33] northeast avenue property.

[1:30:33] what they were planning that

[1:30:35] they couldn't do under the

[1:30:36] current zoning.

[1:30:37] we got no answer.

[1:30:38] then we saw the table of

[1:30:41] permitted uses in the code of

[1:30:43] ordinances and saw that a

[1:30:48] funeral home, which a sign on

[1:30:52] the site had announced isn't

[1:30:56] allowed in the u4, even with a

[1:30:58]

[1:30:58] special-use permit.

[1:31:00] it would be allowed by right I

[1:31:02] n

[1:31:02] the proposed u6.

[1:31:04] now that the land use is being

[1:31:07]

[1:31:07] used to 20 units per acre to

[1:31:09] urban mixed use, 50 units with

[1:31:11] a

[1:31:11] possible 50% density bonus for

[1:31:14]

[1:31:14] things like tree preservation

[1:31:17] and an extra two stories for

[1:31:19] landscaping and pedestrian

[1:31:21] access.

[1:31:21] instead of the two units and

[1:31:23] three stories allowed, there

[1:31:25] would be 90 units -- there cou

[1:31:27] ld

[1:31:27] be 90 units and seven stories.

[1:31:30]

[1:31:30] the chestnut property's next a

[1:31:34]

[1:31:34] church on northeast 8th avenue,

[1:31:36]

[1:31:36] and it's surrounded on three

[1:31:38] side by residences, 14

[1:31:40] single-family homes, and three

[1:31:42]

[1:31:42] duplexes.

[1:31:42] the people most likely to suffe

[1:31:47] r

[1:31:47] the most negative impact on

[1:31:50] their property values, if a

[1:31:51] funeral home or a seven-story,

[1:31:54]

[1:31:54] 90-unit apartment building is

[1:31:57] built, or the owners of the

[1:32:00] single-family homes that were

[1:32:05] built in 200 #9 by the housing

[1:32:09]

[1:32:09] and neighborhood corporation.

[1:32:10] the only one that has changed

[1:32:12] hands was sold in 2024.

[1:32:14] I'm sure that you if you lived

[1:32:17]

[1:32:17] in a residential neighborhood,

[1:32:19]

[1:32:19] just single family and d duple

[1:32:23] xes,

[1:32:23] would you not be happy having a

[1:32:27]

[1:32:27] funeral home there.

[1:32:28] that is why we are requesting

[1:32:30] that you delay action on this

[1:32:32] and hold a neighborhood

[1:32:34] workshop.

[1:32:34] there's been some confusion.

[1:32:37] people didn't understand the

[1:32:38] implications and the postcard

[1:32:40] they got about today said it

[1:32:43] would be voted on as early as

[1:32:45] 10:00 a.m., so people thought

[1:32:47] they were supposed to come thi

[1:32:48] s

[1:32:48] morning and they couldn't,

[1:32:49] because they're working, so

[1:32:51] please, please listen to the

[1:32:52] people in this neighborhood

[1:32:53] because this is going -- you

[1:32:55] would not want this across the

[1:32:56]

[1:32:56] street from you.

[1:32:57] >> that was our last speaker,

[1:33:04] mr. Mayor.

[1:33:06] >> mayor: commissioner book.

[1:33:07] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:33:09] such an interesting avenue

[1:33:12] because we have so many

[1:33:13] components going on, we

[1:33:14] discussed it today.

[1:33:16] we talking about mlk and the

[1:33:19] citizen's field.

[1:33:20] the way we develop the roadway

[1:33:22]

[1:33:22] and the resurfacing, and land

[1:33:25] use and zoning right in there.

[1:33:27]

[1:33:27] I wish sometimes we were able t

[1:33:29] o

[1:33:29] consider them all together, and

[1:33:32]

[1:33:32] it's very difficult to do that

[1:33:33]

[1:33:33] because one piece holds up

[1:33:35] another piece, and there's a lot

[1:33:36]

[1:33:36] of dominoes in that regard.

[1:33:38] I had a couple questions.

[1:33:39] this is probably for city staff

[1:33:43] ,

[1:33:43] but in driving down the

[1:33:45] ne 8th avenue and looking at t

[1:33:47] he

[1:33:47] map there are two large parcels,

[1:33:49]

[1:33:49] and it does not affect the

[1:33:50] second parcel, and they're

[1:33:54] identical.

[1:33:54] this is one parcel that's about

[1:33:57]

[1:33:57] 1.5 acres plus.

[1:33:58] is that right?

[1:34:00] >> that's right.

[1:34:06] so, there's four parcels in

[1:34:09] consideration for the future

[1:34:11] land use change in the rezoning.

[1:34:14]

[1:34:14] I'll go back to the map that

[1:34:18] shows the parcels, but

[1:34:22] generally, it's considered --

[1:34:23] there's three parcels actually,

[1:34:25]

[1:34:25] sort of fronting northeast

[1:34:29] 8th avenue.

[1:34:29] >> so the land use clang in this

[1:34:32]

[1:34:32] particular case, as it's

[1:34:33] currently situated, could not

[1:34:35] have a funeral home and has to

[1:34:36]

[1:34:36] change if that was a potential

[1:34:38]

[1:34:38] use that the applicant was

[1:34:40] interested in.

[1:34:41] >> that's correct.

[1:34:41] so with the current urban 4

[1:34:46] district does not allow funeral

[1:34:47]

[1:34:47] homes by right.

[1:34:48] it's not a permitted use in u4.

[1:34:51] the u6 zoning district does I

[1:34:54] law for funeral homes.

[1:34:55] >> my last question is more jus

[1:34:57] t

[1:34:57] a comment.

[1:34:57] we talked about engagement.

[1:34:59] there's always a big differenc

[1:35:01] e

[1:35:01] between engagement in the

[1:35:05] business area because there's

[1:35:07] not a lot of homes around there

[1:35:08] .

[1:35:08] so the people we get more

[1:35:10] feedback in are more intereste

[1:35:13] d

[1:35:13] in the commercial enterprise,

[1:35:15] but the northeast 8th avenue h

[1:35:17] as

[1:35:17] residents all the way down fro

[1:35:19] m

[1:35:19] really from here all the way t

[1:35:23] o

[1:35:23] horizon and to our school there

[1:35:24] .

[1:35:24] so always want to make sure we

[1:35:26]

[1:35:26] have a really good feedback fro

[1:35:29] m

[1:35:29] the folks who are most impacte

[1:35:33] d.

[1:35:33] we had one person attend the

[1:35:34] feedback.

[1:35:34] we talked about having

[1:35:37] engagement related to the

[1:35:39] roadway.

[1:35:39] I don't want to complicate

[1:35:42] things.

[1:35:42] it's always good to have that

[1:35:44] type of engagement, as far as

[1:35:46] people impacted, and this abuts

[1:35:48]

[1:35:48] business and single family.

[1:35:50] that's just my comment.

[1:35:51] thank you for the work.

[1:35:52] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:35:54] >> mayor: thank you.

[1:35:55] commission willis?

[1:35:56] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:35:57] so this is -- I'm a little

[1:36:01] shocked that a funeral home is

[1:36:03]

[1:36:03] not allowed in u4 but allowed I

[1:36:06] n

[1:36:06] u6.

[1:36:06] I would imagine funeral home I

[1:36:09] s

[1:36:09] almost a very suburban-ish in

[1:36:14]

[1:36:14] nature.

[1:36:14] it is not really urban use, in

[1:36:19]

[1:36:19] my mind.

[1:36:20] so why is it -- can you chart a

[1:36:23]

[1:36:23] little bit more -- that's later

[1:36:24] .

[1:36:24] I'll wait for my zoning until

[1:36:27] the actual zoning.

[1:36:28]

[1:36:28] so I know that there was

[1:36:30] reference that we did change t

[1:36:33] he

[1:36:33] land use of some of the parcels

[1:36:34]

[1:36:34] or I think a couple of the

[1:36:36] parcels in the very far

[1:36:38] northeast of this intersection

[1:36:39]

[1:36:39] with waldo and 8th very

[1:36:43] recently, but this does feel a

[1:36:46]

[1:36:46] little bit like putting the

[1:36:47] carpet before the horse.

[1:36:48] everything next door is zoned,

[1:36:50]

[1:36:50] but it's also a big, huge,

[1:36:52] mostly vacant parcels, right, t

[1:36:55] o

[1:36:55] the east right now.

[1:36:57] largely vacant?

[1:36:58] >> to the east, I believe -- I

[1:37:02]

[1:37:02] can't speak to the current

[1:37:03] status of whether they're --

[1:37:07] whether they're in use actively

[1:37:11]

[1:37:11] or not, but you're correct tha

[1:37:12] t

[1:37:12] the land use and zoning did

[1:37:15] change from a pud over to the

[1:37:19] zones on that corner.

[1:37:20] >> I'm sure if the future, to

[1:37:22] commissioner book's point, whe

[1:37:24] n

[1:37:24] we're looking at 8th avenue,

[1:37:26] we're looking at some traffic

[1:37:28] numbers.

[1:37:28] it's not nearly as much as one

[1:37:30]

[1:37:30] of the other sections, but all

[1:37:33]

[1:37:33] of that corner, outside of wha

[1:37:34] t

[1:37:34] we're talking about today.

[1:37:34] if all that developed in a way

[1:37:36]

[1:37:36] that would perhaps have more

[1:37:37] housing or commerce or mix, muc

[1:37:40] h

[1:37:40] more intense, that would chang

[1:37:41] e some of

[1:37:41] some of the traffic on 8th.

[1:37:42] so, I understand this is right

[1:37:46]

[1:37:46] next to it, which that's kind o

[1:37:50] f

[1:37:50] that sequential.

[1:37:51] we did one of these up on

[1:37:54] northwest 16th, I believe,

[1:37:56] behind the cvs, just one small

[1:37:59]

[1:37:59] parcel, and we barely increased

[1:38:01] the

[1:38:01] the intensity, and that was

[1:38:03] quite a conversation.

[1:38:05] that was right next to something

[1:38:07]

[1:38:07] that had been zoned for decades

[1:38:09] ,

[1:38:09] at least two decades, and just

[1:38:12]

[1:38:12] the one next parcel, about hal

[1:38:15] f

[1:38:15] an acre.

[1:38:16] so, seems -- it makes sense if

[1:38:19]

[1:38:19] you're talking about developing

[1:38:20]

[1:38:20] the whole corner, but, I

[1:38:24] appreciate that the larger map

[1:38:25]

[1:38:25] that mr. Swageer shows, where I

[1:38:31] t

[1:38:31] transitions to -- if we could

[1:38:33] show that, broadcast that

[1:38:36] overhead.

[1:38:36] we are the oldest single famil

[1:38:39] y

[1:38:39] is on the farther west and sou

[1:38:40] th

[1:38:40] side.

[1:38:40] the section, the middle that I

[1:38:43] s

[1:38:43] mixed office resident -- mor I

[1:38:47] s

[1:38:47] not -- mixed use office

[1:38:50] residential.

[1:38:50] that's where it lies.

[1:38:52] this helps give me a little mor

[1:38:54] e

[1:38:54] context for it.

[1:38:55]

[1:38:55] seems like it's a little -- I

[1:39:04] would wait until the other

[1:39:05] properties got developed to see

[1:39:07]

[1:39:07] what the demand is in the area

[1:39:10]

[1:39:10] for land use because that mixed

[1:39:12]

[1:39:12] op is clearly we're allowed to

[1:39:14]

[1:39:14] have single family in the mixed

[1:39:17]

[1:39:17] use office residential?

[1:39:19] >> in urban 4 and urban 6 do

[1:39:24] allow dominate.

[1:39:25] >> in the mixed use office,

[1:39:28] that's why we have some of the

[1:39:30]

[1:39:30] homes in southeast 12th street

[1:39:34] .

[1:39:34] that's all I got for now.

[1:39:35] thank you.

[1:39:36] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:39:37] commissioner willis.

[1:39:38] would anyone like to make a

[1:39:40] motion?

[1:39:40]

[1:39:40] commissioner book.

[1:39:45] >> I'd like to ask one more

[1:39:47] question.

[1:39:47] this is really for the city

[1:39:48] manager.

[1:39:48] I hate to complicate things.

[1:39:52] is there any benefit in us not

[1:39:54]

[1:39:54] kicking the can down the road,

[1:39:56]

[1:39:56] but getting the same feedback

[1:39:58] we're about to get from probabl

[1:40:00] y

[1:40:00] a lot of people for that

[1:40:01] corridor because this is the

[1:40:02] exact same stretch of road we're

[1:40:05]

[1:40:05] about to get feedback on befor

[1:40:07] e

[1:40:07] or from your perspective,

[1:40:09] mr. Manager -- [indistinct] two

[1:40:13]

[1:40:13] very different situations, but

[1:40:14]

[1:40:14] they're in the same geography.

[1:40:18]

[1:40:18] >> mr. Mayor, I would say that

[1:40:20]

[1:40:20] really kind of separate, two

[1:40:22] separate issues.

[1:40:23] I did also kind of want to

[1:40:27] clarify one, somewhat wonky

[1:40:30] aspect, of the discussion about

[1:40:32]

[1:40:32] the allowance for a funeral

[1:40:35] home.

[1:40:35] urban 4 zoning in the list of

[1:40:38] permitted uses allows for

[1:40:40] personal services, which that

[1:40:42] definition includes funeral

[1:40:44] homes, so actually that urban 4

[1:40:47]

[1:40:47] does allow funeral homes, just

[1:40:52] not specific called-out use.

[1:40:53] it's a little bit in the weeds

[1:41:04] .

[1:41:04] not something that jumps out

[1:41:05] unless you're reading through

[1:41:07] definition.

[1:41:07] >> so why do we need the land

[1:41:09] use change?

[1:41:10] >> -- [indistinct] #

[1:41:29]

[1:41:29] >> mayor: ms. Bower -- you had

[1:41:34]

[1:41:34] your opportunities.

[1:41:35] >> the question was important

[1:41:39] since you brought it up.

[1:41:40] why do we need the land use

[1:41:42] change?

[1:41:42]

[1:41:42] >> I'll take a swipe at it.

[1:41:50] >> the manager's correct in tha

[1:41:52] t

[1:41:52] embedded in the definition

[1:41:54] personal services, but then

[1:41:55] there's the use table that

[1:41:57] doesn't have funeral home as a

[1:42:00]

[1:42:00] permitted use in u4, so there's

[1:42:03]

[1:42:03] conflicted information.

[1:42:04] so, I'll let the city planning

[1:42:07]

[1:42:07] director say more, but that was

[1:42:09]

[1:42:09] the response I wanted to give t

[1:42:10] o

[1:42:10] you all.

[1:42:12] >> good evening.

[1:42:12] thank you all.

[1:42:13] director of sustainable

[1:42:14] development.

[1:42:14] the u6 designation also include

[1:42:19] s

[1:42:19] crematory, which is an important

[1:42:21]

[1:42:21] adoition that funeral home and

[1:42:23]

[1:42:23] the personal services definitio

[1:42:25] n

[1:42:25] there.

[1:42:25] >> so really largely that u6 I

[1:42:31] s

[1:42:31] again additional options or

[1:42:32] opportunities for those

[1:42:34] commercial practices.

[1:42:35] >> very good.

[1:42:38] >> mayor: commissioner book.

[1:42:40] >> I know this merely because w

[1:42:43] e

[1:42:43] have someone on the dais --

[1:42:46] makes us feel a little bit

[1:42:48] awkward, but we apply the same

[1:42:51]

[1:42:51] standards regardless of who's

[1:42:52] involved, and those standards

[1:42:53] are related to the comprehensi

[1:42:55] ve

[1:42:55] plan.

[1:42:55] and if it's substantially in

[1:42:58] compliance with the conference

[1:42:59]

[1:42:59] of plan, then by law, not even

[1:43:01]

[1:43:01] by opinion, by law we have to

[1:43:05] move forward at least one of

[1:43:07] these.

[1:43:07] so, with that, I move approval

[1:43:10]

[1:43:10] of 202-5994 and adopt the

[1:43:13] proposed land use change.

[1:43:14] >> second.

[1:43:16] >> mayor: motion and a second.

[1:43:17]

[1:43:17] commissioner willis.

[1:43:18] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[1:43:21] I know we're getting to zoning

[1:43:23]

[1:43:23] in a minute, but some of this I

[1:43:25] s

[1:43:25] helping us understand what is

[1:43:26] allowed in different land uses.

[1:43:28]

[1:43:28] I will say I think it's crazy

[1:43:30] that a crematory's allowed in u

[1:43:33] 6

[1:43:33] and not u4 because higher up t

[1:43:36] he

[1:43:36] sect is more urban in nature.

[1:43:38] does not make a lot of sense to

[1:43:39]

[1:43:39] me, but thank you between the

[1:43:41] manager and mr. [indistinct]

[1:43:45] clarifying it.

[1:43:46] same way talking about hospita

[1:43:47] ls

[1:43:47] and medical services.

[1:43:48] sometimes it's -- the details

[1:43:50] are lost in there somewhere wha

[1:43:52] t

[1:43:52] allowed and what isn't allowed.

[1:43:54]

[1:43:54] thank you for clarifying that.

[1:43:56]

[1:43:56] so, yeah, that is -- I'm still

[1:44:00] a

[1:44:00] little shocked that we allow I

[1:44:04] t,

[1:44:04] that our zoning code crematory

[1:44:08]

[1:44:08] in u6 when I was hearing in a

[1:44:11] different county, union county,

[1:44:13]

[1:44:13] the conversation was in a rural

[1:44:15]

[1:44:15] area, people thought it was too

[1:44:17]

[1:44:17] close to homes, let alone close

[1:44:19]

[1:44:19] to what -- the rest of u6 is

[1:44:21] zoned up to 60 verses or 50

[1:44:25] units per acre plus with

[1:44:27] potential bonuses, putting a

[1:44:30] crematory that close to even

[1:44:31] more people.

[1:44:32] I'm having a hard time

[1:44:33] understanding how this got int

[1:44:35] o

[1:44:35] that portion of our comp plan,

[1:44:39]

[1:44:39] unless it was completely

[1:44:40] ignored.

[1:44:40] I would think crematories and

[1:44:43] stuff in general should be in

[1:44:44] the more rural area you can

[1:44:45] make, or industrial areas, chi

[1:44:48] which

[1:44:49] I know that's common.

[1:44:50] thank you.

[1:44:51] that's all I have.

[1:44:52] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:44:54] commissioner will is.

[1:44:57] please call the roll.

[1:44:58]

[1:45:12] >> mayor: that passes

[1:45:20] unanimously with commissioner

[1:45:21] chestnut abstaining.

[1:45:23] good, commissioner book.

[1:45:26] >> I want a statement released.

[1:45:28]

[1:45:28] this first half is since we wi

[1:45:30] ll

[1:45:30] be doing some community

[1:45:31] engagement, we already have the

[1:45:33]

[1:45:33] week we've done extensive types

[1:45:35]

[1:45:35] of engagement related to the

[1:45:38] northeast 8th avenue, the mlk

[1:45:40] center, citizen's field.

[1:45:42] when we end up sending out mor

[1:45:44] e

[1:45:44] information about the northeast

[1:45:46]

[1:45:46] avenue corridor.

[1:45:50] certainly not complicating the

[1:45:52]

[1:45:52] matter, providing additional

[1:45:54] information about all the

[1:45:55] components going on so all the

[1:45:58]

[1:45:58] people want to weigh in.

[1:45:59] would that be problematic?

[1:46:01] >> I guess, can you clarify wha

[1:46:05] t

[1:46:05] you're asking that we would

[1:46:06] notify about?

[1:46:06] >> sure, for the last two years

[1:46:13] ,

[1:46:13] we've been talking about

[1:46:14] citizen's field, and we've got

[1:46:16]

[1:46:16] information out many, many times

[1:46:17]

[1:46:17] in many different ways.

[1:46:18] earlier today we had the

[1:46:19] northeast 8th avenue, the

[1:46:21] roadway, and everything we're

[1:46:22] doing, and clearly we're going

[1:46:24]

[1:46:24] to focus on what neighbors and

[1:46:26]

[1:46:26] businesses feel like around

[1:46:27] there and our faith-based

[1:46:29] community, and here we have a

[1:46:31] third component right there in

[1:46:32]

[1:46:32] the same area, and it seem to m

[1:46:35] e

[1:46:35] it would be to our benefit, eve

[1:46:36] n

[1:46:36] if we're not asking for input t

[1:46:38] o

[1:46:38] provide as much information

[1:46:39] about all the things we know

[1:46:40] that are going on in an area.

[1:46:57] does that clarify a little bit?

[1:47:01]

[1:47:01] >> yes, I believe so.

[1:47:02]

[1:47:02] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:47:05] commissioner book.

[1:47:09] >> mr. Mayor, we're on to

[1:47:13] ordinance 2025-995, ordinance o

[1:47:16] f

[1:47:16] the city of gainesville,

[1:47:17] florida, amending the zoning

[1:47:19] atlas by rezoning 1.3 acres of

[1:47:22]

[1:47:22] property generally located at

[1:47:24] the 1200 block of northeast

[1:47:27] 8th avenue.

[1:47:38] >> this is the rezoning of the

[1:47:49]

[1:47:49] chestnut petition.

[1:47:53] so this is the same area we wer

[1:47:55] e

[1:47:55] just discussing.

[1:47:57] the portion that we're

[1:47:58] discussing now is the urban 6

[1:48:03] area going from u4 to u6, and

[1:48:05] same area we are discussing.

[1:48:07] here you can see -- I'll pause

[1:48:10]

[1:48:10] for a second to talk about the

[1:48:12]

[1:48:12] zoning districts, so as you can

[1:48:14]

[1:48:14] see in the blue urban 4 being

[1:48:17] the subject property and u6

[1:48:20] existing on the east side, so

[1:48:25] east of the subject properties

[1:48:26]

[1:48:26] to the south, there's more urb

[1:48:28] an

[1:48:28] 4 zoning and to the west is

[1:48:30] urban 3 zoning.

[1:48:33] to the north with citizen's

[1:48:36] field being public service, and

[1:48:40]

[1:48:40] mu1 being to the north as well.

[1:48:41]

[1:48:41] and urban 6 is the proposed

[1:48:45] zoning district for this, and

[1:48:47] I'll get a little bit into the

[1:48:49]

[1:48:49] table with the permitted uses t

[1:48:53] o

[1:48:53] explain a little bit more

[1:48:54] between u4 and u6, so, for thi

[1:48:58] s

[1:48:58] table you can see the uses

[1:49:00] listed on the left.

[1:49:01] those are uses just directly

[1:49:03] from the land development code

[1:49:04]

[1:49:04] of what is permitted, not

[1:49:07] permitted, or allowed by

[1:49:08] accessory, or allowed with a

[1:49:10] special-use permit.

[1:49:12] you can see the columns with u

[1:49:13]

[1:49:13] u4 -- what's allowed is p with

[1:49:16] a

[1:49:17] permitted, allowed by accessory

[1:49:20]

[1:49:20] a, and also the column for u6.

[1:49:23]

[1:49:23] so I'll click through some of

[1:49:24] these.

[1:49:24] I've also highlighted in blue

[1:49:28] where with the rezoning going

[1:49:30] from u4 to u6.

[1:49:32] if it's blue that means it is

[1:49:35] now permitted in u6.

[1:49:36] if they're rezoning carries

[1:49:39] forward.

[1:49:39] in the orange it would no longer

[1:49:42]

[1:49:42] be permitted in u6.

[1:49:44] you'll see there's all blues a

[1:49:46] s

[1:49:46] far as the change from u4 to u

[1:49:49] 6

[1:49:49] is considered.

[1:49:49] so there would be no, I guess,

[1:49:53]

[1:49:53] loss of a permitted use if you

[1:49:55]

[1:49:55] will, and this just captures t

[1:49:56] he

[1:49:56] non-residential uses.

[1:49:58] I have another table going ove

[1:50:01] r

[1:50:01] density in the residential

[1:50:02] component.

[1:50:02] just clicking through.

[1:50:05] as I explained previously, u6

[1:50:07] zoning allows for more

[1:50:09] non-residential uses, including

[1:50:11]

[1:50:11] commercial and retail uses by

[1:50:13] right.

[1:50:13] so you can see as I click

[1:50:14] through things like restaurant

[1:50:16]

[1:50:16] and retail sales would be al

[1:50:17] allowed by right with the p?

[1:50:22] in

[1:50:25] u6 zoning.

[1:50:25]

[1:50:40] going from u4 to u6, that would

[1:50:45]

[1:50:45] be changing from 20 to 50 units

[1:50:47]

[1:50:47] per acre.

[1:50:47] just to note that the subject

[1:50:50] area that is being considered

[1:50:51] for rezoning is 1.38 acres, so,

[1:50:54]

[1:50:54] at 50 units per acre, that's 69

[1:50:57]

[1:50:57] units maximum.

[1:50:59] we've discussed the maximum

[1:51:02] stories going from u4 allows

[1:51:05] three stories by right.

[1:51:06] u6 allows four stories by right

[1:51:11] ,

[1:51:11] and five with a bonus for tree

[1:51:14]

[1:51:14] preservation or things like

[1:51:16] affordable housing.

[1:51:17] maximum height is listed there

[1:51:19]

[1:51:19] as well, and there would be an

[1:51:22]

[1:51:22] increased in required glazing.

[1:51:24]

[1:51:24] changing from u4 to u6 dependi

[1:51:27] ng

[1:51:27] on the type of project that's

[1:51:28] proposed, additional treatments

[1:51:29]

[1:51:29] to the urban forum, like

[1:51:33] sidewalk improvements or

[1:51:36] material improvements, dependi

[1:51:38] ng

[1:51:38] on the project, may also be

[1:51:39] imposed with different uses

[1:51:42] being allowed at the site.

[1:51:43] but generally, setbacks,

[1:51:47] building placement and buildin

[1:51:49] g

[1:51:49] frontage, all would remain the

[1:51:51]

[1:51:51] same between u4 and u6, and tha

[1:51:54] t

[1:51:54] should remain the same.

[1:51:55] I can also talk about urban fiv

[1:51:58] e

[1:51:58] should you have any questions,

[1:52:00]

[1:52:00] have some notes for that, if y

[1:52:02] ou

[1:52:02] are interested.

[1:52:02] so, with the proposed zoning

[1:52:06] staff reviewed the petition

[1:52:11] based on the criteria in the

[1:52:14] land development code.

[1:52:15] the u6 zoning district is

[1:52:18] compatible with the sownding

[1:52:19] uses, and allowed intensity and

[1:52:21]

[1:52:21] density.

[1:52:21] u6 zoning exists to the east o

[1:52:23] f

[1:52:23] the subject property and many o

[1:52:25] f

[1:52:25] the u6 permitted uses are

[1:52:27] similar to those in the u4

[1:52:29] zoning district, with some of

[1:52:31] those additional non-residenti

[1:52:33] al

[1:52:33] allowances I mentioned.

[1:52:34] the proposed rezoning also

[1:52:36] conformed to an additional set

[1:52:38]

[1:52:38] of criteria, the transect zone

[1:52:43]

[1:52:43] criteria.

[1:52:43] it establishes a logical

[1:52:48] extension of the existing u6 t

[1:52:49] o

[1:52:49] the exist.

[1:52:50] a more urban transect zone is

[1:52:54] appropriate considering the

[1:52:55] interest in development in thi

[1:52:57] s

[1:52:57] area, and the improvements the

[1:52:58]

[1:52:58] city's making to the corridor.

[1:53:01]

[1:53:01] if development at the property

[1:53:05]

[1:53:05] occurs the urban transect zone

[1:53:08]

[1:53:08] standards would require

[1:53:09] additional glazing, and

[1:53:10] depending on the type of proje

[1:53:14] ct

[1:53:14] more material standards or oth

[1:53:15] er

[1:53:15] things may also be applied.

[1:53:17] I also wanted to mention the u

[1:53:23] 6

[1:53:23] zoning district would come int

[1:53:25] o

[1:53:25] play with the inclusionary

[1:53:28] zoning requirement, so going

[1:53:29] from u4 to u6.

[1:53:31] u6 is one of the zoning distric

[1:53:34] t

[1:53:34] that is would require

[1:53:35] inclusionary zoning if the

[1:53:37] property were developed with

[1:53:38] over 50 units.

[1:53:40] and I think that is all that I

[1:53:41]

[1:53:41] have to say.

[1:53:42] staff recommends approval of

[1:53:45] ld25- 000125, and the plan boa

[1:53:53] rd

[1:53:53] recommended approval of the

[1:53:54] petition.

[1:53:54] here for any questions you hav

[1:53:56] e.

[1:53:56] >> mayor: very good.

[1:53:57] thank you.

[1:53:58] applicant have anything to add

[1:53:59] ?

[1:54:10] if you have questions for me, I'

[1:54:13] I'm glad to answer them.

[1:54:13] with the umu land use, you nee

[1:54:16] d

[1:54:16] to consider a new zoning, and u

[1:54:18] 6

[1:54:18] is one of the lower tier,

[1:54:20] less-intense zoning options tha

[1:54:23] t

[1:54:23] you have.

[1:54:23] I did want to mention too, in

[1:54:28] the back to our previous

[1:54:29] conversation a few minutes ago

[1:54:31]

[1:54:31] at our neighborhood workshop, w

[1:54:33] e

[1:54:33] did make an extra effort to lay

[1:54:35]

[1:54:35] out the table to show what use

[1:54:37] s

[1:54:37] are allowed, what's not allowed,

[1:54:40]

[1:54:40] what are the changes.

[1:54:42] we were clear and announced tha

[1:54:44] t

[1:54:44] the funeral home is a

[1:54:47] possibility.

[1:54:47] we're trying to be transparent

[1:54:49]

[1:54:49] about this, but, of course, you

[1:54:50]

[1:54:50] all have to consider all the

[1:54:51] uses that are allowed in u6, a

[1:54:53] nd

[1:54:53] we really think it's compatibl

[1:54:55] e

[1:54:55] with that overall map pattern w

[1:54:58] e

[1:54:58] had discussed a few minutes ago

[1:54:59] .

[1:54:59] if you have any questions for

[1:55:00] me, I would be glad to answer

[1:55:03] --

[1:55:03] one last thing too.

[1:55:04] I think the neighbor who was

[1:55:07] here and left, if a project

[1:55:10] comes sphward they'll have to

[1:55:11] --

[1:55:11] forward, stl they'll have to d

[1:55:15] o a

[1:55:16] site plan review, and most

[1:55:17] likely neighborhood workshop.

[1:55:18] I'm sure this project would tak

[1:55:20] e

[1:55:20] into consideration local stree

[1:55:21] ts

[1:55:21] and neighbors and zoning code

[1:55:24] allows -- I'm sorry, it require

[1:55:26] s

[1:55:26] buildings to be fronting the

[1:55:28] primary street, addressing the

[1:55:29]

[1:55:29] street, which is 8th avenue, a

[1:55:32] nd

[1:55:32] so the concentration of any

[1:55:34] development on this property I

[1:55:35] s

[1:55:35] going to be towards the more

[1:55:37] primary street and away from t

[1:55:39] he

[1:55:39] residential area to the south.

[1:55:42]

[1:55:42] certainly aware of that issue.

[1:55:43]

[1:55:43] thank you.

[1:55:44] >> mayor: thank you,

[1:55:45] mr. Swager.

[1:55:47] I would point out also that ha

[1:55:51] s

[1:55:51] been alluded, it's our decision

[1:55:58]

[1:55:58] tonight to allow a particular

[1:55:59] use.

[1:55:59] whether to allow the different

[1:56:01]

[1:56:01] zoning.

[1:56:01] not what will go in that, on

[1:56:06] these lots.

[1:56:07] that is for a future question.

[1:56:10]

[1:56:10] tonight's question is, will we

[1:56:12]

[1:56:12] allow the zoning to move forwa

[1:56:14] rd

[1:56:14] as requested?

[1:56:15] commissioner willits.

[1:56:20] >> questions about u5 instead o

[1:56:24] f

[1:56:24] u6.

[1:56:24] u5 is allow inside thi

[1:56:28] >> it's actually not.

[1:56:32] skipping to 6, what about 5. D

[1:56:41] on't have my laptop.

[1:56:41] it's at it, but I have my

[1:56:44] phone -- the better question.

[1:56:46] what are the other zonings

[1:56:47] allowed?

[1:56:47] that's kind of what I was

[1:56:50] looking at.

[1:56:51] in the urban mixed use zoning

[1:56:55] district -- sorry, future land

[1:56:57]

[1:56:57] use category, there are three

[1:56:59] sort of allowable zoning

[1:57:01] districts to choose from that

[1:57:03] would be permitted in that

[1:57:05] category.

[1:57:05] it would be u6, u7, or u8.

[1:57:09] the u5 zoning district is only

[1:57:11]

[1:57:11] allowed in the mixed-use

[1:57:14] residential future land use

[1:57:16] category, which is primarily

[1:57:18] areas like sorority row

[1:57:24] surrounding the university tha

[1:57:26] t

[1:57:26] have a unique set of

[1:57:27] circumstances that have

[1:57:28] descriptions of the u5 zoning

[1:57:30] district if you're curious, but

[1:57:32]

[1:57:32] that is not something that cou

[1:57:33] ld

[1:57:33] be placed in the urban mixed u

[1:57:35] se

[1:57:35] future land category.

[1:57:36] >> I want to remind -- which

[1:57:38] runs are available?

[1:57:40] so then, can you tell me the

[1:57:42] difference between u6.

[1:57:44] typically as you go up, more a

[1:57:46] nd

[1:57:46] more things are allowed and

[1:57:48] permitted, but I wanted to

[1:57:49] double check on a few things.

[1:57:51] drive-through facility is

[1:57:55] allowed and permitted in u6.

[1:57:57] is it permitted in u7 and u8?

[1:58:00] >> I can check that.

[1:58:02]

[1:58:02] table is limited in its

[1:58:06] research.

[1:58:06] >> it's one that wasn't allowed

[1:58:12]

[1:58:12] in u4, but it is permitted in

[1:58:14] u6.

[1:58:14] so I'm trying -- in general, I

[1:58:18]

[1:58:18] know that usually as you go up

[1:58:20]

[1:58:20] more and more things are

[1:58:21] permitted, but I think some

[1:58:24] things drop out as you get

[1:58:25] closer to u9.

[1:58:27] >> that's correct.

[1:58:28] some uses do drop off as you g

[1:58:29] et

[1:58:29] to the more intensive united d

[1:58:34] t

[1:58:34] zoning districts, but

[1:58:35] drive-through facilities are

[1:58:37] allowed in u6 and through u8.

[1:58:39] >> this is where I get to -- t

[1:58:41] he

[1:58:41] idea of permitting, and I know

[1:58:45]

[1:58:45] we, on the legislative, somewha

[1:58:47] t

[1:58:47] optional side land use, we

[1:58:49] already at least one time

[1:58:50] around, made that decision, but

[1:58:53]

[1:58:53] zoning it for that one in

[1:58:55] particular in this specific are

[1:59:01] a

[1:59:01] seems a little crazy that you'd

[1:59:03]

[1:59:03] have a drive-through facility

[1:59:05] there, and like a lot of these

[1:59:06]

[1:59:06] other ones, things that don't

[1:59:09] make a lot of sense right there

[1:59:14] .

[1:59:14] so anyways, that's the one tha

[1:59:16] t

[1:59:16] stuck out to me on the list of

[1:59:20]

[1:59:20] just because it is still jamme

[1:59:24] d

[1:59:24] in next to not very far away

[1:59:26] single-family homes, out of the

[1:59:29]

[1:59:29] quiet corner.

[1:59:30] up on 8th avenue it's a little

[1:59:31]

[1:59:31] bit a little more busy and

[1:59:34] denser.

[1:59:34] makessense.

[1:59:34] if you want to build 30 units a

[1:59:38] n

[1:59:38] acre.

[1:59:38] that makes sense to me, put

[1:59:41] people close to what's going t

[1:59:43] o

[1:59:43] be a great park, you know.

[1:59:44] anyways, that's just -- that

[1:59:46] stuck o out to me.

[1:59:47] thank you, mr. Chan.

[1:59:53] >> mayor: any public comment?

[1:59:55] >> yes, ms. Sharon bower.

[1:59:57] >> mayor: welcome, ms. Bower.

[2:00:00] >> I know I'm wasting my breat

[2:00:02] h,

[2:00:02] but I do want to point out tha

[2:00:06] t

[2:00:06] irrespective of how you have

[2:00:08] changed the land use, there is

[2:00:10]

[2:00:10] this parcel where john phlegmi

[2:00:13] ng

[2:00:13] has put together 7 acres

[2:00:17] fronting a highway to put a

[2:00:19] development there.

[2:00:19] other than the sunny food m

[2:00:22] the east end eatery, and the

[2:00:25] union hall [indistinct] on the

[2:00:27]

[2:00:27] highway, there is no commercia

[2:00:30] l

[2:00:30] from here all the way to main

[2:00:32] street.

[2:00:32] none.

[2:00:32] so, the use is residential.

[2:00:36] it's all single family and

[2:00:40] duplexes, except for -- santos.

[2:00:44]

[2:00:44] he had a duplex and built a

[2:00:46] single family.

[2:00:46] that's the highest-density

[2:00:48] thing, other than the housing

[2:00:50] authority down by main street.

[2:00:51]

[2:00:51] you're destroying neighborhoods

[2:00:55] .

[2:00:55] these are established

[2:00:56] neighborhoods.

[2:00:56] these are duck pond area.

[2:00:59] the appraiser's office calls o

[2:01:03] ur

[2:01:03] neighborhood duck pond area or

[2:01:05]

[2:01:05] east of duck pond.

[2:01:06] so, I just don't understand why

[2:01:11]

[2:01:11] iowa would allow -- you would

[2:01:13] allow t

[2:01:13] why you would allow these poor

[2:01:17]

[2:01:17] people who dreamed of buying a

[2:01:18]

[2:01:18] home and bought the homes from

[2:01:20]

[2:01:20] the national -- I mean, from t

[2:01:22] he

[2:01:22] neighborhood housing development

[2:01:23]

[2:01:23] corporation.

[2:01:23] these five beautiful homes

[2:01:25] there, and single family all

[2:01:28] there, and I don't know, a

[2:01:30] funeral home.

[2:01:30] the table s says you four no, u

[2:01:38] 6

[2:01:38] yes for a funeral home or

[2:01:41] crematorium.

[2:01:41] you don't care about these

[2:01:43] single-family homes.

[2:01:44] they're going to have this

[2:01:46] 40 feet away from them.

[2:01:47] it baffles me.

[2:01:48] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:01:55] ms. Bower.

[2:01:56] commissioner eastman.

[2:01:58] >> whenever these things come

[2:02:09] up, people look at the most

[2:02:10] intensive uses one step above.

[2:02:12]

[2:02:12] I think about that as we're

[2:02:13] trying to potentially increase

[2:02:15]

[2:02:15] uses.

[2:02:15] this allows an alcoholic

[2:02:20] beverage establishment.

[2:02:22] the highest use.

[2:02:24] we have u4 4 across the street

[2:02:27]

[2:02:27] from my house.

[2:02:28] I have u6 in the neighborhoods

[2:02:29]

[2:02:29] north of mine right behind the

[2:02:31] se

[2:02:31] houses.

[2:02:31] these more-intensive zoning

[2:02:36] districts exist in the very old

[2:02:38]

[2:02:38] neighborhoods, and this is one

[2:02:39]

[2:02:39] of those.

[2:02:39] like I said, u6 right next doo

[2:02:42] r

[2:02:42] to it, which is why I feel

[2:02:44] fairly comfortable with where w

[2:02:46] e

[2:02:46] are with it.

[2:02:46] it's a -- there's shops

[2:02:49] nearby, and there's no single --

[2:02:54]

[2:02:54] [indistinct] single family ove

[2:02:57] r

[2:02:57] to where this would be.

[2:02:58] so there's a bit of a buffer

[2:02:59] there.

[2:02:59] and so I feel very comfortable

[2:03:03]

[2:03:03] making a motion for ordinance

[2:03:05] no. 2025-995.

[2:03:08] >> mayor: madam clerk, please

[2:03:15] call the role.

[2:03:16] >> commissioner eastman.

[2:03:18] commissioner ingle.

[2:03:22] commissioner duncan-walker.

[2:03:24] mayor ward.

[2:03:26] >> mayor: that passes

[2:03:27] unanimously with commissioner

[2:03:29] chestnut abstaining.

[2:03:30] madam clerk.

[2:03:31]

[2:03:31] >> mr. Mayor, we're going back

[2:03:39]

[2:03:39] to ordinances for second

[2:03:41] reading, ordinance no. 2025-60.

[2:03:49]

[2:04:00] providing directions to the cit

[2:04:06] y

[2:04:06] manager, providing severabilit

[2:04:08] y

[2:04:08] clause, providing a repealing

[2:04:10] clause, and providing an

[2:04:11] effective date.

[2:04:11] >> mayor: thank you, madam

[2:04:13] clerk.

[2:04:13] commissioner willits.

[2:04:17] >> no further questions from m

[2:04:21] y

[2:04:21] colleagues.

[2:04:21] I move adoption on second

[2:04:22] reading 2025-760.

[2:04:26] >> aye.

[2:04:27] >> second.

[2:04:27] >> mayor: motion and a second.

[2:04:28]

[2:04:28] any public comment?

[2:04:29] >> no public comment.

[2:04:31] >> mayor: no for the lights.

[2:04:33] let's call the role and give

[2:04:34] commissioner walker another shot

[2:04:35]

[2:04:35] here.

[2:04:48] >> mayor: that passes

[2:04:51] unanimously.

[2:04:51] madam clerk.

[2:04:53] >> mr. Mayor, we are on to

[2:04:57] ordinance 2025-873, ordinance o

[2:05:00] f

[2:05:00] the city of gainesville,

[2:05:01] florida, annexing approximately

[2:05:07]

[2:05:07] 26.897 acres, privately-owned

[2:05:09] property generally located sou

[2:05:11] th

[2:05:11] of state road 24, archer road,

[2:05:14]

[2:05:14] west of sw 51st drive, north o

[2:05:18] f

[2:05:18] oaks, preserved, phase ii, eas

[2:05:22] t

[2:05:22] of county road sw 24c, as more

[2:05:27]

[2:05:27] specifically describing in thi

[2:05:28] s

[2:05:28] ordinance as petitioned for by

[2:05:30]

[2:05:30] the property owners pursuant to

[2:05:32]

[2:05:32] chapter 171.

[2:05:34] providing for persons engaged I

[2:05:36] n

[2:05:36] any occupation, business, trade

[2:05:39] ,

[2:05:39] or profession, providing

[2:05:40] directions to the city clerk,

[2:05:42] providing severability clause,

[2:05:43]

[2:05:43] providing a repealing clause,

[2:05:45] and providing an immediate

[2:05:46] effective date.

[2:05:47] >> mayor: thank you, madam

[2:05:48] clerk.

[2:05:48] before we roll into this, I wan

[2:05:52] t

[2:05:52] to apologize for folks who wer

[2:05:57] e

[2:05:57] here for the entire afternoon

[2:05:57] and had to wait for this.

[2:05:58] we obviously have a lot going

[2:06:00] on, and I appreciate your

[2:06:01] patience.

[2:06:01] so thank you.

[2:06:04] >> thank you, good evening,

[2:06:08] mayor, and commissioners.

[2:06:09] the item before you is a request

[2:06:12]

[2:06:12] for voluntary annexation

[2:06:15] submitted by dogwood acquisiti

[2:06:19] on

[2:06:19] llc.

[2:06:19]

[2:06:19] >> so this annexation request is

[2:06:26]

[2:06:26] for a total of eight contiguou

[2:06:29] s

[2:06:29] tax parcels totaling

[2:06:36] 26.25 acres, and due sw of

[2:06:38] butler plaza and I-75.

[2:06:42] currently under alachua county,

[2:06:46]

[2:06:46] zoned single family residential

[2:06:48] ,

[2:06:48] and residential estate re1.

[2:06:51] staff prepared an urban services

[2:06:55]

[2:06:55] report as attached to the

[2:06:57] backup, which detail the city

[2:06:59] services provided following

[2:07:01] annexation, so the parcels wou

[2:07:03] ld

[2:07:03] fall under city commission

[2:07:05] district 3, with the closest

[2:07:06] fire station being station 9,

[2:07:09] and would fall under the

[2:07:10] gainesville police department

[2:07:12] zone papa.

[2:07:12] rts route 75 would service the

[2:07:15] se

[2:07:15] parcels and gru would provide

[2:07:18] utility services like electric,

[2:07:21]

[2:07:21] wastewater and gas, and

[2:07:22] additionally, public works wou

[2:07:26] ld

[2:07:26] provide solid waste services, a

[2:07:28] s

[2:07:28] well as basic maintenance and

[2:07:32] repair any building streets.

[2:07:33] however, there are no current

[2:07:37] street city streets that would

[2:07:38]

[2:07:38] be involved in this annexation

[2:07:40]

[2:07:40] upon approval.

[2:07:41] the details of all of the

[2:07:43] services that are available in

[2:07:44]

[2:07:44] that urban services report wer

[2:07:46] e

[2:07:46] provided or were created with

[2:07:48] feedback that were provided by

[2:07:50]

[2:07:50] each relevant department as we

[2:07:51] ll

[2:07:51] as some additional maps that

[2:07:53] highlight the locations of

[2:07:55] utilities and emergency response

[2:07:56]

[2:07:56] facilities.

[2:07:56] according to florida stawlt

[2:08:04] chapter 171 -- statute chapter

[2:08:07]

[2:08:07] 171, required to meet certain

[2:08:09] criteria.

[2:08:09] so the parcels must be

[2:08:12] contiguous with existing city

[2:08:14] boundaries.

[2:08:14] they must be reasonably compact

[2:08:17]

[2:08:17] and close together, and must n

[2:08:18] ot

[2:08:18] create any enclaves or a

[2:08:21] non-city parcel would be bound

[2:08:22]

[2:08:22] on all sides by city boundarie

[2:08:25] s.

[2:08:25] illustrated by this map,

[2:08:27] provided by the applicant, the

[2:08:31] se

[2:08:31] criteria are met allowing the

[2:08:32] city to move forward toward

[2:08:34] adopting the ordinance.

[2:08:36] with that, staff does recommend

[2:08:37]

[2:08:37] approval of agenda item

[2:08:41] 2025-873.

[2:08:41] if you approve today, we would

[2:08:44]

[2:08:44] aim to have the second reading

[2:08:46]

[2:08:46] before you by april 16th, which

[2:08:48]

[2:08:48] would be the effective date of

[2:08:49]

[2:08:49] the annexation.

[2:08:50] I am near you have further

[2:08:52] questions.

[2:08:52] the applicant is also here.

[2:08:54] >> mayor: very good.

[2:08:55] would the applicant like to mak

[2:08:58] e

[2:08:58] any presentation?

[2:08:58]

[2:08:58] >> hi, good evening, mayor,

[2:09:02] commission.

[2:09:02] I don't have much to add.

[2:09:03] staff did a great job

[2:09:05] illustrating everything.

[2:09:06] I wanted to say thank you for

[2:09:10] your time.

[2:09:10] I'm here with -- to answer any

[2:09:13]

[2:09:13] questions you might have.

[2:09:14] >> mayor: thank you so much.

[2:09:15] I appreciate it.

[2:09:16] commissioners, anything?

[2:09:18] commissioner willits?

[2:09:23] >> a question for staff about I

[2:09:25] f -- when we bring in, this is

[2:09:27]

[2:09:27] one of the bigger chunks, I

[2:09:30] think, it's one of the bigger

[2:09:31] chunks we've done recently, tha

[2:09:33] t

[2:09:33] does not have an existing road

[2:09:35]

[2:09:35] network like through it

[2:09:36] necessarily, I don't think.

[2:09:38] what's the difference between -

[2:09:41] -

[2:09:41] if this was developed in the

[2:09:43] future but still under the

[2:09:45] county, would they -- is there

[2:09:47]

[2:09:47] an agreement with the county

[2:09:48] that they would have to design

[2:09:50]

[2:09:50] the roads for the existing roa

[2:09:54] d

[2:09:54] network, any connections to the

[2:09:56]

[2:09:56] part that's already in the cit

[2:09:58] y

[2:09:58] that's being developed?

[2:09:59] I cannot remember if that oak

[2:10:02] whatever neighborhood has a stu

[2:10:04] b

[2:10:04] anticipating out there, but if

[2:10:07]

[2:10:07] it remains in the county do the

[2:10:10] y

[2:10:10] have to connect that stub or

[2:10:11] only by coming into the city a

[2:10:14] nd

[2:10:14] then they would have the connect

[2:10:16]

[2:10:16] a stub according to our comp

[2:10:17] plan?

[2:10:17] >> so I don't think I can speak

[2:10:20]

[2:10:20] to if there are any county

[2:10:22] requirements that they build o

[2:10:25] ut

[2:10:25] those roads prior to annexation.

[2:10:27]

[2:10:27] we --

[2:10:29] >> no prior.

[2:10:29] if it stays in the county and w

[2:10:36] e

[2:10:36] don't approve annexation, and

[2:10:38] someone wants to build and hav

[2:10:39] e

[2:10:39] a small street networks.

[2:10:41] because it's in the county, is

[2:10:43]

[2:10:43] there any agreement with the

[2:10:44] county -- will you please

[2:10:46] connect to, across the border

[2:10:47] line, if wehave a stub on the

[2:10:50] city side, will these connect?

[2:10:52]

[2:10:52] have more of -- a comp plan

[2:10:54] envisions a grid with a lot of

[2:10:56]

[2:10:56] connectivity?

[2:10:56] >> after annexation they would

[2:10:59]

[2:10:59] be required to build out that

[2:11:00] road network to meet the lot

[2:11:03] requirements for development I

[2:11:05] n

[2:11:05] the city of gainesville.

[2:11:07] if you're asking whether count

[2:11:09] y

[2:11:09] parcels are required to connect

[2:11:12]

[2:11:12] to city roads.

[2:11:13] that I'm not entirely sure of.

[2:11:15]

[2:11:15] >> mr. Singleton.

[2:11:19] >> I do want to answer this.

[2:11:20] so I can fully understand.

[2:11:23] >> chief operating officer, I

[2:11:28] used to be employed by the

[2:11:30] county --

[2:11:31] >> hold that against you.

[2:11:32] >> review these type of

[2:11:34] applications, networks, county

[2:11:36]

[2:11:36] has a very similar land

[2:11:38] development regulations and com

[2:11:40] p

[2:11:40] plan reg regulations similar to

[2:11:43] the

[2:11:43] city.

[2:11:43] they would connect to the

[2:11:46] existing s stubs.

[2:11:48] looking at the plat, I don't s

[2:11:51] ee

[2:11:51] that stub to these parcels, but

[2:11:53]

[2:11:53] we do collaboraten and sure we

[2:11:57]

[2:11:57] have -- and ensure we have

[2:11:58] interconnected roadway network.

[2:11:59]

[2:11:59] >> I bring it up partially as

[2:12:01] part of the conversation on the

[2:12:02]

[2:12:02] outside edge of the city when w

[2:12:04] e

[2:12:04] potentially annex, particularl

[2:12:06] y

[2:12:06] right next to a new development

[2:12:08] ,

[2:12:08] how they interact, the current,

[2:12:12]

[2:12:12] new development, and potential

[2:12:13] ly

[2:12:13] new annexation.

[2:12:15] mr. Singleton, I appreciate

[2:12:18] that.

[2:12:18] I've had some skepticism in the

[2:12:23]

[2:12:23] southwest largely because of

[2:12:26] annexations and changing of

[2:12:27] densities because of the amoun

[2:12:28] t

[2:12:28] of park services in southwest.

[2:12:31]

[2:12:31] I would say we almost bought, w

[2:12:33] e

[2:12:33] haven't -- I don't know if we

[2:12:34] signed the contract yet, rough

[2:12:37] ly

[2:12:37] 14 acres in southwest

[2:12:38] gainesville for future park and

[2:12:40]

[2:12:40] reservation land.

[2:12:41] that makes me a little more

[2:12:42] confident in the future we'll b

[2:12:43] e

[2:12:43] able to ride that, but that lan

[2:12:47] d

[2:12:47] is -- of 75, and past 75 there's

[2:12:51]

[2:12:51] continued conversation.

[2:12:52] firefighter infrastructure's

[2:12:53] gointo go in, great, but in

[2:12:55] the end the city or the county

[2:12:56]

[2:12:56] or us combined we need to build

[2:12:59]

[2:12:59] another -- we need to be looki

[2:13:02] ng

[2:13:02] at longer, 10-15-year plan

[2:13:05] larger park, south that is

[2:13:08] serves that chunk -- in the end

[2:13:10]

[2:13:10] it's going to serve county and

[2:13:14]

[2:13:14] city.

[2:13:14] that's another conversation wit

[2:13:16] h

[2:13:16] the county: so with that, I'v

[2:13:19] e

[2:13:19] been skeptical, but I'm very

[2:13:21] happy.

[2:13:21] I will be supporting this

[2:13:22] voluntary annexation.

[2:13:24] thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:13:25] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:13:27] mr. Willits.

[2:13:30] >> if there are no further

[2:13:31] questions, I move ordinance

[2:13:34] 2025-873.

[2:13:34] >> second.

[2:13:35] >> mayor: we have a motion and

[2:13:36]

[2:13:36] a second.

[2:13:36] any public comment?

[2:13:37] >> there's no public comment.

[2:13:40] >> mayor: okay!

[2:13:42] >> I'm here.

[2:13:45] our firm worked on the oaks

[2:13:47] preserve project with the city,

[2:13:49]

[2:13:49] and I can tell you there is a

[2:13:52] stub out to this property.

[2:13:53] I had to look at it too.

[2:13:54] it's in a future phase, but,

[2:13:56] yeah, just kind of the very

[2:13:58] bottom corner makes a 90-degree

[2:14:01]

[2:14:01] turn.

[2:14:01] if this property's built in the

[2:14:04]

[2:14:04] city, lit connect to that

[2:14:06] neighborhood.

[2:14:06] >> mayor: thank you.

[2:14:07] I remembered that discussion.

[2:14:10] that was the whole point of

[2:14:11] discussion about that issue was

[2:14:16]

[2:14:16] whether or not people came to

[2:14:16] talk to us about whether or not

[2:14:19]

[2:14:19] there was going to be

[2:14:19] [indistinct] there.

[2:14:21] I remember that.

[2:14:21] all right!

[2:14:22] madam clerk, let's call the

[2:14:24] roll.

[2:14:24]

[2:14:24] [roll call]

[2:14:28]

[2:14:28] >> mayor: all right, that

[2:14:37] passes unanimously.

[2:14:39] yes.

[2:14:39] madam clerk.

[2:14:41] commissioner willits.

[2:14:49] >> I'm not going to go into the

[2:14:51]

[2:14:51] full because it's been a long

[2:14:52] day.

[2:14:52] I wanted to poke at the

[2:14:56] on-street neighborhood parking

[2:14:58]

[2:14:58] permit and some of the zonings

[2:15:00]

[2:15:00] around campus.

[2:15:00] we currently charge people hav

[2:15:04] e

[2:15:04] the privilege of owning a home

[2:15:06]

[2:15:06] far less than we do for people

[2:15:08]

[2:15:08] paying rent.

[2:15:10] it looks like we charge $119.25

[2:15:14]

[2:15:14] to homesteaders, people who hav

[2:15:16] e

[2:15:16] a homesteaded property, verses

[2:15:18]

[2:15:18] looks like $238 for

[2:15:20] non-homestead.

[2:15:20] I know there's not a lot of

[2:15:23] properties that necessarily

[2:15:25] applies to.

[2:15:25] some of the larger complexes y

[2:15:27] ou

[2:15:27] may think of around campus are

[2:15:29]

[2:15:29] not eligible for

[2:15:32] neighborhood-zoned parking

[2:15:34] because those were developed a

[2:15:36] s

[2:15:36] a denser parking on site and/o

[2:15:39] r

[2:15:39] it is envisioned not every

[2:15:42] person brings their car for some

[2:15:43]

[2:15:43] of the on-street parking on

[2:15:45] campus there's always going to

[2:15:47]

[2:15:47] be tension.

[2:15:47] the fact we charge renters mor

[2:15:49] e

[2:15:49] than people who own their home.

[2:15:51]

[2:15:51] I'm sure there's going to be a

[2:15:53]

[2:15:53] lot of arguments why that is t

[2:15:55] o

[2:15:55] protect homeowners, giving the

[2:15:57] m

[2:15:57] a space, but a person who rents

[2:15:59]

[2:15:59] that close to there may also --

[2:16:02]

[2:16:02] I feel like they should probably

[2:16:04]

[2:16:04] be more similar, that they

[2:16:06] should pay the same amount to

[2:16:09] park on the street whether the

[2:16:10] y

[2:16:10] own the home there or whether

[2:16:14] they are renting.

[2:16:15] so that's something I'm going t

[2:16:16] o

[2:16:16] bring in forward in the future

[2:16:18] as

[2:16:19] fairness to the renters in our

[2:16:20]

[2:16:20] community.

[2:16:20] it's only in a couple

[2:16:22] neighborhoods that it applies.

[2:16:23]

[2:16:23] I'm going to be asking staff I

[2:16:25] f

[2:16:25] I can get a -- peer into the

[2:16:27] data on the number of people w

[2:16:29] ho

[2:16:29] have those permits, but at lea

[2:16:31] st

[2:16:31] digging to understand the cost

[2:16:32]

[2:16:32] of the permits.

[2:16:33] that's something I'll bring up

[2:16:38]

[2:16:38] later.

[2:16:38] >> mayor: thank you.

[2:16:39] commissioner ingle.

[2:16:42] >> so there's a zoning issue I

[2:16:47]

[2:16:47] wanted to bring up, actually

[2:16:51]

[2:16:51] some drive-through businesses

[2:16:53] have caused some real traffic

[2:16:56] snarls in town.

[2:16:57] starbucks on 13th street, reall

[2:17:00] y

[2:17:00] kind of backs some stuff up, a

[2:17:02] nd

[2:17:02] I know it's the new coffee sho

[2:17:04] p

[2:17:04] down on 16th, I forget the nam

[2:17:09] e

[2:17:09] of it, 7 brew, also caused a l

[2:17:13] ot

[2:17:13] of snarls around there and

[2:17:14] people trying to get in a

[2:17:16] drive-through line, backing all

[2:17:17]

[2:17:17] the way out into traffic.

[2:17:19] I would really like to see wha

[2:17:21] t

[2:17:21] options we've got on tweaking

[2:17:23] our zoning to either prohibit

[2:17:29] drive-through things on major

[2:17:31] thoroughfares like that or wha

[2:17:33] t

[2:17:33] options we've got to kind of

[2:17:35] regulate some of that to make

[2:17:37] those more compatible to those

[2:17:39]

[2:17:39] areas.

[2:17:39] just plopping them down I've

[2:17:43] seen them cause real traffic

[2:17:45] problems with just a line of

[2:17:47] people out in the street waiti

[2:17:48] ng

[2:17:48] to get into a business.

[2:17:49] and I think there's got to be

[2:17:51] some way we can avoid doing tha

[2:17:53] t

[2:17:53] in the future.

[2:17:55] so talked a little bit to the

[2:17:56] city manager, but I'd really

[2:17:58] like to have some options

[2:17:59] brought back on what it is we

[2:18:02] can do in those areas.

[2:18:04] >> it looks like the director I

[2:18:06] s

[2:18:06] chomping at the bit to come talk

[2:18:08]

[2:18:08] about this.

[2:18:08] [laughter]

[2:18:08] >> thank you, mr. Mayor,

[2:18:10] commissioners, halfway there.

[2:18:12] I realized I had a little bit o

[2:18:14] f

[2:18:14] regret that maybe I should

[2:18:15] probably not start walking, but

[2:18:19]

[2:18:19] anyhow, certainly any time it's

[2:18:21]

[2:18:21] a use in the way that a use is

[2:18:23]

[2:18:23] really playing out is something

[2:18:24]

[2:18:24] that we can look at through

[2:18:27] zoning code.

[2:18:27] what we had done to date for

[2:18:29] those uses.

[2:18:30] the starbucks on 13th has

[2:18:32] been -- has had issues for qui

[2:18:37] te

[2:18:37] some time.

[2:18:37] the 7 brew you're speaking of,

[2:18:39]

[2:18:39] but we've had them in a couple

[2:18:41]

[2:18:41] other locations that are drive

[2:18:43]

[2:18:43] throughs.

[2:18:43] the zaxby's, popeyes when they

[2:18:51]

[2:18:51] had their fried chicken

[2:18:52] sandwich, that was an issue, a

[2:18:54] s

[2:18:54] you might understand, but what

[2:18:55]

[2:18:55] we've done for the code

[2:18:57] enforcement side of sit gone o

[2:18:59] ut

[2:18:59] and worked directly with the

[2:19:00] businesses to adjust their

[2:19:01] business model to make sure the

[2:19:03] y

[2:19:03] can or if they could actually

[2:19:06] fit these uses on their

[2:19:07] property, which is required by

[2:19:09]

[2:19:09] code.

[2:19:09] we've worked with them to be

[2:19:10] able to do that.

[2:19:11] some of you may have seen at t

[2:19:13] he

[2:19:13] starbucks or the chick-fil-a

[2:19:14] where some of the staff started

[2:19:16]

[2:19:16] getting tablets and walk to you

[2:19:17] r

[2:19:17] car and order.

[2:19:18] and they direct you through tha

[2:19:22] t

[2:19:22] area.

[2:19:22] that allowed them to both have

[2:19:24]

[2:19:24] more users on site, but process

[2:19:26]

[2:19:26] them quickly and really we

[2:19:28] helped them with their own

[2:19:29] businessodel.

[2:19:29] now, of course if that -- in

[2:19:32] some cases, continues to spill

[2:19:34]

[2:19:34] out in the roadway, then we've

[2:19:37]

[2:19:37] started to go down the code

[2:19:38] enforcement path.

[2:19:40] gpd is engaged in some of these

[2:19:42]

[2:19:42] businesses.

[2:19:42] I cannot speak in detail for

[2:19:45] what gpd has doan done, but

[2:19:48] they've been involved in the

[2:19:49] conversation and working with

[2:19:50] the businesses.

[2:19:51] in several cases we've seen vas

[2:19:52] t

[2:19:52] improvements just by working

[2:19:54] with the practices

[2:19:55]

[2:19:55] >> I appreciate that, and I

[2:19:58] think it's a good way to addre

[2:20:00] ss

[2:20:00] the issue in places that alrea

[2:20:02] dy

[2:20:02] exist, but I don't want to

[2:20:03] continue making more work for

[2:20:08] code enforcement and gpd,

[2:20:10] clearly we're setting ourselves

[2:20:12]

[2:20:12] up for a problem and trying to

[2:20:14]

[2:20:14] fix it instead of seeing if we

[2:20:16]

[2:20:16] can't find ways to eliminate t

[2:20:18] he

[2:20:18] problems.

[2:20:18] it's frustrated me.

[2:20:20] I talked to a lot of people who

[2:20:21]

[2:20:21] get frustrated with it,

[2:20:23] especially on major

[2:20:25] thoroughfares.

[2:20:25] when we look at major

[2:20:33] thoroughfares through places,

[2:20:35] I'm very concerned about

[2:20:36] continuing to set up the type o

[2:20:37] f

[2:20:37] businesses that are going to

[2:20:40] limit themselves to have code

[2:20:42] enforcement involved or have

[2:20:43] work around to make them

[2:20:45] function well as neighbors.

[2:20:46] >> add to what -- was saying o

[2:20:53] ur

[2:20:53] code requirements.

[2:20:53] during the process as we're

[2:20:55] seeing the newer drive through

[2:20:56] s

[2:20:56] come in, we request a queuing

[2:21:00] analysis from the applicant.

[2:21:02] we do look at that.

[2:21:03] I would say the 7 brew was a

[2:21:04] surprise to all of us.

[2:21:06] we didn't expect that to queue

[2:21:08]

[2:21:08] up and backup that far.

[2:21:10] I'm not aware of that trying t

[2:21:12] o

[2:21:12] do that, but I'm not down in

[2:21:14] that area regularly, so -- so

[2:21:18] codes has been monitoring it.

[2:21:20] but the drive throughs that hav

[2:21:24] e

[2:21:24] gone in recently, we've not bee

[2:21:26] n

[2:21:26] seeing on that anymore, like

[2:21:29] what the exception of 7 brew

[2:21:31] first opened, but we are

[2:21:32] actively working with developers

[2:21:34]

[2:21:34] and doing a queuing analysis a

[2:21:36] s

[2:21:36] the drive throughs come through,

[2:21:39]

[2:21:39] as required by code.

[2:21:40] >> mayor: anything else?

[2:21:46] very good.

[2:21:48] mr. Manager, was that toward

[2:21:51] this?

[2:21:51] >> it was towards this?

[2:21:55] >> we would want a motion and

[2:21:56] add it to the list and send you

[2:21:58]

[2:21:58] a new list of code pieces.

[2:22:03] >> I'd like to make a motion w

[2:22:04] e

[2:22:04] add to that the list.

[2:22:05] >> second.

[2:22:06] >> adding it to the list.

[2:22:08] >> mayor: all right.

[2:22:09] is there any public comment on

[2:22:11]

[2:22:11] that?

[2:22:11]

[2:22:11] >> mr. Mayor, is there like a -

[2:22:15] -

[2:22:15] [indistinct]

[2:22:15] [laughter]

[2:22:15] emotion added to the list?

[2:22:20] >> mayor: definitely.

[2:22:23] >> I'll get with the city

[2:22:24] manager and find out the

[2:22:25] specific terms.

[2:22:27] >> mayor: very good.

[2:22:29] all in favor please say aye.

[2:22:32] any opposed.

[2:22:33] that passes unanimously.

[2:22:34] mr. Manager.

[2:22:35] >> thank you, mr. Mayor.

[2:22:37] this is unrelated to drive

[2:22:39] throughs or zoning for that

[2:22:40] matter.

[2:22:40] I did want to give you all an

[2:22:42] update.

[2:22:42] we had an individual come at

[2:22:46] public comment and talk a litt

[2:22:47] le

[2:22:47] bit about the st. Francis

[2:22:53] closure.

[2:22:53] I did get an update this

[2:22:55] afternoon from mr. Mann who's

[2:22:57] the city's liaison and coc.

[2:23:02] to date, th there three remaining

[2:23:05]

[2:23:05] families in sherlt at

[2:23:06] st. Francis that we have not

[2:23:09] connected.

[2:23:09] we, being the city, the cnd the

[2:23:14] coc, connected with

[2:23:14] housing.

[2:23:14] believe will be connected with

[2:23:19]

[2:23:19] housing as early as tomorrow,

[2:23:20] leaving two remaining families

[2:23:22]

[2:23:22] and one individual.

[2:23:23] those are the only remaining

[2:23:25] folks that were in shelter tha

[2:23:27] t

[2:23:27] have not been able to find new

[2:23:31]

[2:23:31] housing.

[2:23:31] so, we're continuing to work o

[2:23:36] n

[2:23:36] the list and be able to

[2:23:38] successfully place everybody I

[2:23:39] n

[2:23:39] shelter that was in shelter

[2:23:41] before the closure of

[2:23:44] st. Francis hospital.

[2:23:45] >> mayor: excellent.

[2:23:46] I appreciate that.

[2:23:47] I don't see any other lights,

[2:23:49] but I have a few items try to g

[2:23:51] o

[2:23:51] through as quickly as possible

[2:23:52]

[2:23:52] here.

[2:23:52] first of all, on a somber note,

[2:23:56]

[2:23:56] yesterday's news we learned tha

[2:24:00] t

[2:24:00] coral springs commissioner and

[2:24:02]

[2:24:02] vice mayor, nancy bowen, was

[2:24:07] murdered, and what appears to

[2:24:08] have been a domestic violence

[2:24:13] attack.

[2:24:13] I mentioned that not only

[2:24:17] because she is one of our own,

[2:24:19]

[2:24:19] but to remind everyone that

[2:24:24] the -- we don't know what's

[2:24:26] happening in somebody else's

[2:24:27] house.

[2:24:27] we don't know, and domestic

[2:24:30] violence can happen anywhere I

[2:24:36] n

[2:24:36] any home, and I have talked

[2:24:38] about this a couple of times

[2:24:40] this year.

[2:24:41] it is something that I want us

[2:24:43]

[2:24:43] to, as a city, as an entity,

[2:24:47] find ways that we can be more

[2:24:48] supportive of organizations

[2:24:51] fighting domestic violence.

[2:24:52] and sometimes that is as simpl

[2:24:55] e

[2:24:55] as talking about it.

[2:24:59] that's why I wanted to bring I

[2:25:01] t

[2:25:01] up.

[2:25:01] not for action, but I want to

[2:25:02] think about how we might

[2:25:04] approach the issue differently,

[2:25:08] d

[2:25:08] d nigd we can all -- anything

[2:25:10] we can all do is talk about

[2:25:12] domestic violence more

[2:25:13] frequently and let folks know

[2:25:19] who we may not realize are in a

[2:25:21]

[2:25:21] difficult situation, that we a

[2:25:22] re

[2:25:22] here for them.

[2:25:23] the city is here for them.

[2:25:24] we as individuals are here for

[2:25:29]

[2:25:29] them.

[2:25:29] and all we can do for this

[2:25:31] commissioner and vice mayor is

[2:25:32]

[2:25:32] offer prayers and thoughts,

[2:25:34] which is a hollow thing right

[2:25:35] now, but it was important to

[2:25:38] mention that.

[2:25:39] try to get less somber as I go

[2:25:41]

[2:25:41] down the list here.

[2:25:42] I have heard recently that there

[2:25:47]

[2:25:47] is potential of the northwest

[2:25:48] boy's club, the existing

[2:25:50] northwest boy's and girl's clu

[2:25:54] b.

[2:25:54] that property being up for sal

[2:25:57] e

[2:25:57] and all sorts of things there.

[2:25:59]

[2:25:59] it is in the county.

[2:26:00] it's not in the city, but it I

[2:26:03] s

[2:26:03] important to me, and I think t

[2:26:05] o

[2:26:05] this community, that that

[2:26:08] remain, if it can't be boy's and

[2:26:10]

[2:26:10] girl's club, then at least

[2:26:12] remain athletic fields for tho

[2:26:13] se

[2:26:13] purposes

[2:26:13]

[2:26:13] that matters a lot to this

[2:26:16] community, I think.

[2:26:22] not only from historical

[2:26:23] perspective, but that kind of

[2:26:25] use is dwindling.

[2:26:26] I am normally 100%, 150% for m

[2:26:31] u new

[2:26:32] places to live, but that is a

[2:26:35] place that's dwindling rapidly

[2:26:36]

[2:26:36] when it is not a school use, a

[2:26:38] nd

[2:26:38] that one is not.

[2:26:39] I would like to put that messa

[2:26:40] ge

[2:26:40] out there.

[2:26:40] it is in the county.

[2:26:41] were it to be in the city, I

[2:26:42] don't think my mind would change

[2:26:45]

[2:26:45] own that.

[2:26:45] just put that out there.

[2:26:46] a thing that I would like us to

[2:26:51]

[2:26:51] be thinking about, we don't nee

[2:26:54] d

[2:26:54] to take action on it tonight,

[2:26:55] but if you would think about

[2:26:57] this.

[2:26:57] I am interested in us getting

[2:27:00] into the community and out of

[2:27:01] the building more as a body.

[2:27:06] I was talking with city clerk

[2:27:09] yesterday about the idea of

[2:27:12] doing one gpc meeting a quarter

[2:27:15]

[2:27:15] off site somewhere, in an ada

[2:27:18] accessible city facility,

[2:27:20] wherever possible, certainly a

[2:27:21] n

[2:27:21] ada-accessible facility

[2:27:23] regardless, whether it's city o

[2:27:25] r

[2:27:25] not, and get into each district

[2:27:27]

[2:27:27] once a year.

[2:27:28] there's -- I'm sure there's

[2:27:32] reasons to be uncomfortable with

[2:27:34]

[2:27:34] that, but I think it's good for

[2:27:36]

[2:27:36] the community and the city as a

[2:27:37] n

[2:27:37] organization and us as a

[2:27:39] commission to be out of the

[2:27:41] building when we can.

[2:27:42] I fully respect the idea we've

[2:27:47]

[2:27:47] got to be not only personally

[2:27:49] accessible with ada compliance,

[2:27:53]

[2:27:53] but also available for people to

[2:27:55]

[2:27:55] be able to watch and hear the

[2:27:58] meetings, and that is something

[2:28:00]

[2:28:00] that matters that we will

[2:28:02] follow, but I would like to us

[2:28:04]

[2:28:04] think about that as we move

[2:28:05] forward, please.

[2:28:06] last thing, I want to thank you

[2:28:10]

[2:28:10] all for your wisdom and patienc

[2:28:12] e

[2:28:12] and good humor over the course

[2:28:14]

[2:28:14] of this very long day, and I

[2:28:16] hope to see many of you at the

[2:28:18]

[2:28:18] mlk prayer breakfast tomorrow

[2:28:22] morning, bright and early.

[2:28:23] commissioner ingle.

[2:28:24] >> I just wanted to throw some

[2:28:26]

[2:28:26] support behind that idea of

[2:28:27] maybe having meetings off site,

[2:28:29]

[2:28:29] not only because it might be

[2:28:31] interesting to be in all the

[2:28:33] areas of the city, but the ide

[2:28:36] a

[2:28:36] of gpc is a little easier to

[2:28:38] hash out.

[2:28:38] I don't think this is the

[2:28:40] easiest format to have

[2:28:41] conversations about things.

[2:28:42] so, being able to get around a

[2:28:46]

[2:28:46] table somewhere or a little bit

[2:28:48]

[2:28:48] different format where -- I like

[2:28:51]

[2:28:51] to have a look at somebody whe

[2:28:55] n

[2:28:55] I'm talking to them.

[2:28:57] a round table may be conducive

[2:29:00]

[2:29:00] to have better conversations a

[2:29:02] nd

[2:29:02] see if we can't get those type

[2:29:03]

[2:29:03] of topics on the agenda for whe

[2:29:07] n

[2:29:07] we might be in a format more

[2:29:09] conducive to the conversations

[2:29:10] .

[2:29:10] >> I noticed there's a workshop

[2:29:13] .

[2:29:13] >> mayor: thank you,

[2:29:15] commissioner ingle.

[2:29:16] no further lights.

[2:29:18] we are adjourned.

[2:29:18]

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