[0:00] and all kinds of crap that she had there we had P it come and pick up all that

[0:04] scrap like take it off scrap but we can't see out of our driveway because

[0:09] how like the road dips and there's that vent you know like it comes around we

[0:13] can't see pulling out of our driveway and ask at the meeting if it's Township

[0:21] like like where that line

[0:26] draws no that's I had to go take a chainsaw to all of it

[0:30] but I was like I'll find out because I don't remember it being as

[0:35] bad

[0:42] so got a couple seconds

[0:46] [Music] left ially that's

[0:54] what and when we're there we'll cut other right you'll trim it in a little

[0:58] bit

[1:03] [Music]

[1:23] some typ practice somebody signed a couple of these in blue and then

[1:26] switched

[1:28] to D you Kevin okay I have 7 o' so I'm going to

[1:34] go ahead and call this meeting to order please rise for the

[1:40] pledge I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[1:45] republ for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and

[1:51] justice for

[1:54] all next we'll move on to roll call whenever you're ready Sharon Thon here

[1:59] Chris Jeremy sell here Charles stall here

[2:03] Kevin Miller Sharon long Kevin Miller here Sharon long here Tim

[2:09] Miller Ted long here s RPD here okay we'll move on to agenda

[2:15] amendments is anyone have any agenda minut okay if not move on to visitors

[2:20] written requests I have received none so we will move on to the minutes everyone

[2:25] has the minutes from August 20th in front of them here once you had a chance

[2:29] to review I'll motion to approve

[2:56] minutes make a motion to approve the minutes

[3:00] motion by Jeremy do I have a second I'll second seconded by Tina any questions or

[3:06] comments all those in favor I opposed motion carries next we move on to the

[3:12] financial report whenever you're ready Sharon in the capital reserve fund

[3:16] starting balance is

[3:19] $123,456 total receipts of $395 72 leaving an ending balance of

[3:28] $123,800 7 in the general fund starting balance is

[3:37] $227,800 [Music]

[3:41] 47660 total dispersements of $ 32,4

[3:46] 6628 leaving an ending balance of

[3:52] $285,100 starting balance is zero total receipts of

[3:57] $1,866 127 little dispersements of

[4:02] $1,866 127 leaving an ending balance of zero in the non-uniform pension fund

[4:08] starting balance is zero total receipts of

[4:11] $2,450 120 total dispersements of $2,450 120 leaving an ending balance of

[4:19] zero in the road bond fund the starting and ending balance is the same of

[4:25] 9,326 in the state fund the starting balance is 168,00

[4:31] 21021 total receipts of $535 187 total dispersements of

[4:38] $3,216 122 leaving an ending balance of $165,500

[5:00] next we will move on to the bills to be paid everyone's got a copy the bills

[5:03] list here in front of them once you have had a motion or once you had a chance to

[5:08] review I'll need a motion to pay the bills I'll make a motion to pay the

[5:12] bills motion by Tina to pay the bills seconded by Kevin any questions or

[5:18] comments all those in favor I I opposed motion carries next we move on to

[5:25] Executive session um I do have a needed for executive session to update on

[5:29] litigation however we will not need that there will be nothing to come out of it

[5:33] so I shouldn't need it till the end does anyone have anything that we need to

[5:37] take action on following Tim do you have any need nothing tonight no okay we'll

[5:42] save what I have for the end then so we'll move on to the solicitors report

[5:46] whenever you're ready

[5:48] [Applause]

[5:53] timory were finalized I Charlie and filed those on Friday so the demolition

[5:59] can be on that front um I talked to J again

[6:08] about issueing

[6:12] meile know I guess at this point if I don't

[6:16] have anything by October I'm just to start working on this myself the only

[6:20] reason I want this file is I think it'll save considerable amount of time but I

[6:24] also don't want this dragging on forever and ever um and iiz just a bit under the

[6:30] weather a little bit of stomach bug so participating remotely apologize and I'm

[6:34] not there um I looked into some things regarding the sarpd pension issues I

[6:43] want to talk to I have an attorney friend I know who handles some of this

[6:47] and also reach out to SAR ping councel on that as well and then I'll get back

[6:53] to to the to the board in in October on it one last thing going to be on

[7:00] vacation from October 25th through I think November 4th won't miss any dates

[7:07] or anything any meetings with with Gil but I'm gonna be on a cruise so I

[7:13] probably won't be terribly accessible so I'm GNA have internet but it's not going

[7:18] to be like a full phone internet package it's whatever they offer on the grp so

[7:22] just kind of a heads up on that if anybody has anything I'm going to make

[7:27] my paralal um EX access during that time and if there's a massive emergency

[7:32] she'll figure out a way to get a hold of go there that's about it

[7:37] tonight any questions from anybody have any questions for Tim not

[7:42] me um I think you addressed it the only thing I really have is just the pension

[7:48] um and you mentioned that you're you're going to get with the sarpd pension

[7:51] attorney and get to that about know weally have seven voters in place for

[7:59] for um transferring the funds but we're still 4% short of the 75% threshold

[8:07] so and see what we can do there's any other ways around this and whatnot but

[8:14] I'll let you know here coming days from this okay and I believe Bob

[8:18] has a question for you too I didn't hear what he had to say

[8:22] about the park he's just waiting on some files from Jim pero Jim still hasn't

[8:26] found the files um

[8:34] he closed the file from 2002 years ago and he still has it somewhere but cannot

[8:39] do locate it yet so

[8:45] what's and all summer long he didn't want to go up there because it was you

[8:48] know 95 degrees for half the summer but I've beening him about it so um I'm

[8:56] hoping by next month like I said if we don't have any is going to begin doing

[9:01] this on my own much as I would like to avoid that I just don't want this so

[9:06] dragging on any longer okay yeah okay thank you thanks Tim problem anyone else

[9:11] have any other questions for Tim okay then I will need a motion to approve the

[9:16] solicitor's report motion to approve the solicitor's

[9:20] report motion by Jeremy do I have a second second second it by Tina any

[9:23] other questions or comments all those in favor I I opposed motion carries under

[9:29] old business we have discussion on qualification um I don't really have

[9:33] anything to report on that the proposals still sitting there on the table I don't

[9:37] know if anyone's had a chance to stop in and review it uh it's more something I

[9:41] want to keep in mind as we go into budget season I would like to see if we

[9:45] could look at it for next year but obviously it's something we'd want to BU

[9:48] it for so that's the only reason I brought it up now I'm not looking to

[9:50] take any immediate action on it so I will make a motion that we table

[9:56] the discussion on clarification till future meetings

[10:00] second that seconded by Jeremy any questions or comments all those in favor

[10:05] I I opposed motion Carri do we have any other old

[10:10] business I don't

[10:14] Oklahoma vote to hire a company to handle all their

[10:19] codification I'm not sure the same company or not but we'd like get there

[10:24] pass it along yeah yeah I mean I I have a feeling there's there's a few big

[10:28] players gener code American legal publishing that's who it waser American

[10:33] legal yeah they're one of the big players in it them in general are

[10:35] actually sister companies so you can only go with one or the other for a

[10:38] proposal as I learned in Ford City um but good to know I I would assume

[10:44] they're doing the same process of just getting all their ordinances in order

[10:46] and getting them online yeah really scatter over Place

[10:51] what're no that's okay so that is tabled and no one had any other old business

[10:56] we'll move on to new business we have a letter from Sharon long attention

[11:00] administrator followed by our MMO

[11:05] worksheet so that being said Sharon is there anything you would like to address

[11:09] with

[11:12] this no I guess anyone have any questions for me so just for

[11:19] clarification our estimated MMO for next year our minimum Municipal obligation is

[11:26] $24,200 of the pension fund that is before state aid nonuniform Pion sorry

[11:31] non-uniform pension fund to be exact um that is before state aid so I believe I

[11:37] don't remember the last time we actually paid money into it and then the pension

[11:42] fund is 3,680 so it's the two combined is what we're going to be paying out in

[11:47] 2025 yes so the regular pension fund is the police pension

[11:53] fund so 207

[11:57] 28,000 but for the most part I would assume that will end up covered by state

[12:03] aid it has usually but again that's nothing we

[12:08] won't know that until September of next year so I will need a motion to accept

[12:13] the letter on the pensions from Sharon long pension

[12:28] administrator for

[12:59] so the two together

[13:02] 274 I'm asking I mean that's what I add up yeah saying yeah if you're adding up

[13:07] the 2,254 and the

[13:11] 3,680 that's our total minimum Municipal obligation for next

[13:16] year for end of 2025

[13:30] motion by Kevin to accept it have a second second seconded by Tina any

[13:36] questions or comments on it all those in favor I opposed motion

[13:43] carries next we have trickortreat trunk Retreat

[13:47] um I believe we were looking what date were we preliminarily looking at Shar

[13:52] oob 26 what's CL last Saturday

[14:00] um so October 26 is the last Saturday of the month um I did speak with someone

[14:07] from the park and there was nothing going on in the park that day um Chris

[14:11] isn't here but um Chris had mentioned he's like well do we want to do November

[14:15] 2nd I said you had mentioned that I said but it's

[14:18] like to me remembering back when I was a mom and my kids were younger like after

[14:22] Halloween was over I was kind of done with everything Halloween and the

[14:24] thought of dressing my kids back up again and doing something didn't really

[14:29] excite me but that's not my decision to make what day you guys pick so so the

[14:33] only other thing to keep in mind is the 26th I reach out to leeburg and see what

[14:37] events they have going on is their Trail thing they are doing their pumpkin Trail

[14:41] however that is in the morning Sharon I told you the times I don't remember 10

[14:45] to 10 to one I think it was or I think in noon and then like we were thinking

[14:50] we did trunp Retreat start back right off the end of that kind that's what we

[14:54] did last year and there was quite a few people when they came up to get the

[14:57] dinners they were saying oh they just got numed on the trail then they came

[15:00] right up there that's our best play cuz you know if we wait from the every

[15:04] second I'm with you I think it's I think it's like parents are

[15:08] done get out a bunch of places yeah they're tired of even better getting to

[15:11] knock it out all one day go straight from the trail up the Trump Retreat I

[15:15] think we just keep it to 26 I think that's good what time were we thinking

[15:20] um we were talking possibly one right Chris trunp

[15:25] Retreat whatever whatever the end of the trail thing is trail ends at noon

[15:31] so I don't know what you said that was the reason I

[15:38] was the date we said that you know Saturday is the the trail uh the

[15:43] business Trail in town in leeburg and we thought the best thing to do would just

[15:47] be the piggy back it off that so that's like one of our bigger fundraisers for

[15:53] dog as well the unit so a time that we can do so that we can

[16:00] generate some people for

[16:04] the we we piggy backed off that years past right did it work well yeah let's

[16:09] just do that I mean how much of a gap do we want to leave between their event and

[16:12] ours really is the question my initial thought was one to

[16:16] four I don't know if anyone onate 12 I think so is Le something that you stay a

[16:23] whole time for could people beginning and come and go yeah you're going from

[16:28] business to business getting your card stamped so yeah they walk like basically

[16:33] the perimeter of the town hit the businesses and then get like a hot dog

[16:36] in the fire

[16:39] station you probably could start it at noon or even you could overlap a slight

[16:44] amount if you wanted yeah because if I go home I'm not coming back out also

[16:48] another good parent point I agree with you once I get that once we get home in

[16:52] s want over so you said the pumpkin do we have are you so it's 10 to 12 is the

[17:01] pumpkin Trail that's confirmed the time I I was to

[17:06] say just so we don't look like we're stepping up if we start at 11:30 we look

[17:11] like we're stepping on their toes of starting our event so let's just start

[17:14] at noon so that we're even flow straight from the trail not getting in their

[17:19] way not stepping on toes to whatever so yeah to three I think that's three hours

[17:29] I think that's about what we normally do all right there it is three three you

[17:33] said four are we three I did because talking about food

[17:42] wise I'm fine with

[17:47] before that thing

[17:56] that's indeed you got two meals in that one Chris all right I know last year

[18:01] there was a lot of cars that ran out of candies and then they kind of like

[18:04] packed up and yeah left now don't know for this year to have more c gask yeah

[18:09] so that being said October 26 noon to 4 at the park de do I have a motion to set

[18:15] that as the date time and location of our trunk Retreat make a motion that we

[18:19] set trunk retreat at the leeberg dilin park for October 26

[18:24] 2024 Jeremy do I have a second second by Kevin any other

[18:30] questions or comments I'm sorry no to four did it right that's a

[18:35] that's a strike strikes are back out guys all those in favor I I oppose

[18:42] motion carries okay next one move on to budget meeting date and time everyone's

[18:46] favorite time it's budget season um so we need to get our first budget work

[18:50] shop scheduled either towards the end of this month beginning of next beginning

[18:54] of next is better for me personally but um we would like to do depending on how

[19:00] many of us you want here Chris K is effectively gone that first until the

[19:05] second week of October second week of October like through October 2nd 5th

[19:09] something like that he shared with us we'll be yes let me find that he

[19:16] said last week of September and first week of October he's gone and I'm Gone

[19:20] the entire last week of September too so sounds like we don't want to do anything

[19:25] until the second second week of October week October

[19:29] 7th there's another meeting here at 6 o' but it could always be after that we

[19:34] have our industrial development committee meeting here first Monday of

[19:37] the month or not Mondays that's right you have other stuff going on Mondays

[19:42] Wednesdays I know Chris said Wednesdays are typically best for him too when

[19:46] schedul and stuff Wednesday good yeah the night is f

[19:51] Wednesday the night times looks good for everyone how long

[19:56] do you think we'll need for the first meeting if you don't start until 7

[19:59] o'clock and it's going for two hours it's past my bedtime so we got I want to

[20:02] believe it won't I want to think our first pass should be a quick one um

[20:06] about six six okay with everyone six is good okay night six o' October night six

[20:12] o'clock good with everyone Bud Workshop so I need a motion to set our first

[20:18] budget workshop for octob Budget Workshop general purpose meeting for

[20:22] October 9th at 6 o'clock motion by Kevin do I have a

[20:27] second second second by Tina any other questions or

[20:30] comments all those in favor I opposed motion carries next we have LSA Grant

[20:38] applications so first they were supposed to announce last year's LSA grants today

[20:43] they didn't um so they most likely will not be announcing them until October or

[20:46] November or if it's anything like the last round January um but that being

[20:52] said the next round has opened and is opened from September 1st to November

[20:56] 30th so probably in our best interest to try to

[21:01] pick out a project for this next round of

[21:04] applications um out sanding we have I think three Road

[21:08] applications a application for a new Mower and an application for an addition

[21:14] on this building that's outstanding that may or may not be awarded in this round

[21:18] of

[21:21] LSA so but if we would apply before we know we could be

[21:27] applying for something that already could get awarded that's yeah that's why

[21:30] I hate that they overlap this um but that being said we could always Maul

[21:36] this over until next month we have until November 30 at two o'clock so we have we

[21:41] have plenty of time yeah we've got time to figure out project I mean if we're

[21:45] going to apply for one of the same projects that's easy copy and paste from

[21:49] last year change dates or whatever might be changed

[21:52] timelines even if we don't I've I've got it down I've got a pretty good boiler

[21:56] plate set up for gilin just to plug in the blanks

[22:02] um so just think it over I'm not saying we have to take any action on this

[22:05] tonight but I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention this is a grant

[22:08] available between I believe minimum 100,000 Max up to a million if I

[22:15] remember correctly um so mul it over think of some projects non-matching no

[22:20] match money required for this one well we all know my stance on free money we

[22:24] should go for all the free money but I feel like we should probably wait until

[22:27] the next meeting to see if we by chance know what was approved so that we don't

[22:30] duplicate processes yep I would agree and everyone can think over if there's

[22:33] other projects they want to go for that maybe we haven't applied for keep that

[22:38] in mind too so that being said we'll just leave

[22:41] that on the table I mean a motion to table the LSA

[22:47] Grant application projects make a motion to table the LSA Grant

[22:52] application okay second motion been seconded any other questions or comments

[22:57] all those in favor iOS motion carries do we have any other

[23:01] new business just have a couple questions not really like new business

[23:05] but just as far as the paving projects as we go forwards when do we start like

[23:10] dialing in on the roads for the next Paving season again and like saying

[23:15] these are the roads we're going to do I know that's not like it's probably

[23:18] something that Kevin's talking to Ted about and but when do we start picking

[23:22] those out I think we in the past we have officially picked them

[23:27] in a

[23:30] March April March April the board has voted on what roads we want to submit

[23:35] for Ping last correct I'm wrong the last couple that we have done have been lay

[23:41] from the time before time before yeah we do keep kicking kicking stuff down the

[23:47] road had a list at yeah that I mean like aadd was it

[23:55] would it was something that we were we had like texting a while back I have I

[23:59] have it if you could just be curious as to like what the pecking order is

[24:03] because you know obviously we all hear from our residents about what they want

[24:07] PID wor just trying to see you know give them provide them some answers and also

[24:11] be involved in the discussion when we get to that point mean but I mean you

[24:15] got to keep in mind too that even with this grant um Le

[24:20] highs veterans is you know you got to pay for that up front sure and then you

[24:25] get what a 60 60% reimbursed

[24:30] about that other question um and maybe this as far as like who we contract for

[24:37] our Towing I was talking the reason I asked I was talking to STS and you know

[24:41] they got set up to like put a fence up did all this stuff according to so they

[24:46] could probably handle Towing I was wondering that was kind of their main

[24:49] Drive behind it apparently Deans doesn't want it there's no interest from beans

[24:54] as we use terries now is that correct this is more this goes to the police

[24:58] force is I think but yeah the police for agreement with okay so then this is

[25:02] something I can talk about with you guys and I talked to okay so you're so you're

[25:06] aware too that that's something that they would like to be considered for yep

[25:10] I'm the one that have him put up that fence say he say he he set up and I was

[25:14] in there the other day and he just asked if I could you know get the ball rolling

[25:18] on it if possible so so we can talk what we um my thought process was is fill the

[25:26] void before what Deans it de all the during the day okay um and then just

[25:32] it we have go back to the yeah that's something we talk about in a different

[25:37] meeting for sure just those are the only two things ahead back to the paving real

[25:41] quick what I'll do Jeremy I'll get out the list kind of that I prepared of and

[25:46] it's not really I wouldn't call it a Township list it's just I I every year

[25:50] send Ted my priorities from what I hear that's just me sending Ted what I what I

[25:54] hear around the township um but I'll send out what I'm what I've kind of

[25:58] worked out I also put together an Exel Excel spreadsheet last year the kind of

[26:01] rated roads from best to worst um just based on riding around gravel potholes

[26:07] Etc obviously that needs updated yeah I just I just I just like to see if we

[26:12] have a pecking order what the pecking order is and you know and just be

[26:16] involved when we start making decisions on you know as to what roads are we're

[26:20] going to pay that's all well I'll get that list out I'll get that Excel

[26:24] spreadsheet out kind of that I put together take some any feedback that you

[26:28] guys want to give on I'll send it out an email um and we can kind of take it from

[26:32] there perfect but yeah I think typically April we we make those final calls out

[26:38] put the bid packages together you have when James comes and figured out

[26:44] and you get an estimate as what his projected cost is and then then you fit

[26:48] that into the budget because a couple years

[26:51] ago do like four different things and um it just kind of made it you know like I

[26:58] knew some of them weren't even going to be Clos to a budget so it just kind of

[27:02] more of a mess than just kind of another general question we keep saying like

[27:06] stuff get kick back so we're not spending the

[27:09] money on the paving if the projects are being pushed back and pushed back and

[27:13] pushed back well no it's just whatever you kind of have like top one and top

[27:18] two but then something comes up and then number three gets bumped up so it's not

[27:21] it's not a it's not it's not we have money and don't have Labor problem we're

[27:25] we're we're getting the labor we're spending the money yeah we're do what I

[27:29] was just say if we had if we had a labor problem then we would need to look

[27:32] differently at it that's all we would maybe need to like figure out how it

[27:37] meant that specific I thought I thought we weren't able to like get the work we

[27:41] had the money we we hired the people and they weren't showing up and doing the

[27:45] work it was something something got in front of

[27:50] it I mean I get that okay like well last year two years for example the quote I

[27:56] think it was two years ago now the quote God for heill came in way over what we

[27:59] have budgeted sure and things like that then you make an adjustment on what's

[28:03] going to go that year any other new

[28:08] business okay move on to report zoning report when your egg Jaren I didn't put

[28:13] one in your packet but this report covers August 21st through September

[28:17] 17th there were three permits issued one sign one garage one carport for a total

[28:22] of $83 okay do I have a motion to approve

[28:25] the zoning report I'll make Mo to approve the Zing report Mo by Tina

[28:31] second by Kevin any questions or comments all those in favor I opposed

[28:38] motion carries next we will move on to the road report whenever you're

[28:42] ready road report for Tuesday September 17 2024 we CLE the trough drain on Le

[28:49] High Drive we did prep work on the lad sh roads for the paving which included

[28:54] tree trim we did pipe replacement some annual patching the payment was

[28:59] completed uh we did do some shoulder backup on those two roads where it was

[29:03] needed I'm going to have to go back and do more I just kind of did right down

[29:07] the spots where it was kind of sketchy on the Ed where you had like a 6 in you

[29:11] know just deeper one spots the road kind of narrower so I took care of those now

[29:16] but I will have to go back and do more down there um we did help with the water

[29:21] authority with a water leak one day uh went to the DC and North class uh we've

[29:26] been hauling uh way to our dirt roads try Hill wonders Shipman Jack ra met

[29:33] roads Towers I have cleaned out some portions of the ditches as needed

[29:38] basically we're fixing the worst areas on those road right now to try to get

[29:42] you know to help them mainly because I've been getting of you guys and from

[29:47] you know some residents have called so trying to get that done before we get

[29:52] into the second round like that um we did uh fix the shed out here a little

[29:58] bit it was like kind of Twisted the doors were jamming up and they weren't

[30:01] latching so we worked on that uh Mory finished painting the curbs and the

[30:06] lines of the office parking lot uh mowed grass at the office and garages we

[30:11] removed some down trees uh did some equipment maintenance AB Building

[30:15] Maintenance I did some administrative work and I have um met with

[30:20] Gillette um and we've had had to make calls and Sharon made calls about the

[30:24] utilities on that Evergreen Road House um he is going to be working on demoing

[30:30] that Raymond Rally House this week and so whenever the power line and all that

[30:36] is removed from the evergreen house then he'll come

[30:39] that so that should be did you hear that I already

[30:46] talked down I wanted to give people the warning

[30:51] that SAR down there mainly him and and the trons I got a hold of I had to call

[30:57] her um and just let them know you know they're going to be down just it's you

[31:02] know there could be some

[31:07] inconveniences you said we work on the we work on the shed we worked on the

[31:11] shed

[31:21] we okay got anything else for your report that's it okay I think I got

[31:26] everything okay having heard the road report do I have motion to

[31:31] approve motion by Kevin do I have a second second seconded by Jeremy any

[31:36] questions or comments all those in favor I I oppos

[31:42] motion carries next we'll move on to

[31:45] Communications we have the minutes Municipal Authority um this is for their

[31:50] August meeting which I believe I attended this

[31:53] one yep um and going to the hydrant maintenance there no hydrant

[32:02] mten they did have they did recess that meeting then reconvene on the 20th and

[32:06] they had a workshop Phil was to talk to me but never

[32:11] did um and then

[32:16] they adjourned that meeting uh we do have a letter here from FEMA under

[32:21] Communications this is just informing us that our updated flood plane ordinance

[32:26] that removed all the restrictions that were in the old one um is compliant with

[32:31] FEMA's requirements under the national flood plane or national flood insurance

[32:36] program and it was just them Thanking us for making sure it was in

[32:41] compliance any other Communications we still meeting with

[32:45] them October 2nd yes yes yes yes so I'll say that under

[32:50] calendar editions still good yes okay um do I have any visitor

[32:56] comment py name and address for the records yeah Chester A 116 Pine Hill

[33:01] Drive um did you just accept them two partials down in

[33:06] Georgetown that lady wanted to give you the property yes okay now do you pay tax

[33:12] on that no they're tax exempt right now okay now you're going to tear that house

[33:16] down next to them you think you can make a bundle and sell that to somebody

[33:21] that'll be paying taxes on it because I can't see a playground or anything going

[33:25] my personal personal intention not speaking for everyone yes I would say we

[33:30] try to fundle it because they're all three in a row there yeah I would say

[33:33] try to get back the TA next to it even better see if we can stipulate some type

[33:38] of building on it yeah that allows devel maybe a small attack of baitman for the

[33:44] first five years you know yeah we actually offer 10 well budy of M bought

[33:48] a building up in Ford City school and he got a 10year tax abatement on it we

[33:53] offer the 10year alerta abatement so that is that is an option for impr

[33:59] and the other thing I know you just don't give a police report anymore but

[34:03] it would be nice to know what crime is going on in guil and Township I give you

[34:07] we never hear we get the police report at our commission meetings I can start

[34:10] bringing those me yeah yeah AB know who [Music]

[34:16] neighbors okay any other visitor comment yeah on the Raymond Road property

[34:23] one23 on that property going to start on tomorrow I believe is that so what next

[34:30] we you going to put it up for bid uh so I I was doing some research into the

[34:34] second class Township codes the codes allow for two things one if we can get

[34:39] an appraisal on it and show that appraises for under $6,000 we can sell

[34:43] it out right um if it appraises over $6,000 we have to put it out for bid and

[34:48] accept sealed bids yeah so that that's that's the next step after we tear it

[34:53] okay so well when will I find out um it's hard to say I mean they got

[34:58] to tear it down so at least next month we'll probably take further action on

[35:02] what we're going to do with that property as far as getting an appraise

[35:06] for just trying to like the number one interest

[35:11] understandable you have the most vested number one party of Interest should show

[35:15] up next month is what I think say Jeremy you've got more insight into

[35:21] this to me that little parcel you think it would be a cze under 6,000 I would

[35:25] feel pretty certain you would basically I would

[35:28] it's just be a bank there that being

[35:34] said if we don't if it's under if it's under 6,000 we can sell it out right we

[35:39] have to just vote to sell it and and Tim correct me if I'm wrong that's how I

[35:43] read the second class toship

[35:47] codes yes we do have to get it appraise but we don't have to we have to have an

[35:52] appraisal showing under 6,000 and under the second class Township Code real

[35:56] property under 6,000 value can be sold out right um so have

[36:01] to advertise it or what if we have an interested part we would we would call

[36:05] an appraisal an appraiser have them appraise it as long as it comes in under

[36:08] 6,000 we have to vote at our meeting to sell it to the interested individual um

[36:13] I'm just I'm just trying to help interested individual that's kind of

[36:17] where I'm at to for that small Hillside having to go through the steps of

[36:21] putting it out to bid and accepting sealed bids and I'd rather us should be

[36:24] able to just sell it up right so with Jeremy's opinion would say I mean feel

[36:31] because it is spending money and it's not on the agenda tonight we can't vote

[36:33] to do the appraisal but I would say next month we vote to do the appraisal and

[36:37] everything to follow and we'll have that on the agenda next month so it would be

[36:40] two months before interested parties could potentially purchase the property

[36:44] most likely yeah two two two months about what we're looking at so the next

[36:48] meeting you'll vote on something that's that's vote we'll vote to spend the

[36:53] money to get the appraisal to verify the property is valued under 6,000 then at

[36:57] the next meeting which would be November's meeting we vote to sell we

[37:02] would vote to sell it to interested parties that might send a letter to say

[37:05] that

[37:08] they well that's the law unfortunately I mean had we we're faster than

[37:20] statee great point oh hold on we're moving faster we we picked up speed so

[37:26] Jeremy makes awesome point at our next budget meeting it's also a general

[37:30] purpose meeting we can have an agenda that lays out the option to advertise

[37:34] for an appraisal so that will move us through I would say a month right so

[37:38] then by our next regular monthly meeting we could sell we're back to selling it

[37:42] in October make sure you're not on vacation

[37:47] smart Jeremy estate I don't I don't like to

[37:52] buy it I don't like to sell it I don't want nothing to do with it okay okay any

[37:55] other visitor com yes name and address for the record

[38:02] please neighor 14 and um he has a vacant lot on Ritter

[38:10] Lane and he's considering selling it he asked me before he put it up for General

[38:15] sale if I might be interested I contacted Sharon and told her my

[38:20] interest last month was I would be interested in the property if I could

[38:24] build a garage on the setback and not have to build a primary dwelling on it

[38:29] first it's not contiguous with my property she said I would be best coming

[38:33] to this meeting and address the matter in front of the board because it was I

[38:38] guess it's not normal Z Tim did you catch all that no I really couldn't

[38:43] that's okay so this gentleman there's a parcel nearby his home that is for sale

[38:50] he would be interested in purchasing it to build a garage however it is it does

[38:53] not have a primary dwelling and is not connected to his his primary dwellings

[38:59] parcel um so he was just under I believe under the current zoning it it says that

[39:04] it has there has to be a principle parcel or principal structure on the

[39:09] parcel and I think that's that's what he's asking I mean what what are his

[39:12] steps moving forward a variance Maybe orive

[39:34] [Music] it does not touch it doesn't touch his

[39:39] existing parcel that's the pro it's it's about oh I don't know 200 yards

[39:50] away so he's he is not giving legal advice but recommending the route to go

[39:56] would be a huge variant to ask for the variance to use the

[40:01] purchase the parcel ask for the variance to be able to put a garage on it and

[40:04] that comes out of our hands and goes to our Z

[40:20] hearing attorney on it I know people try do these on their own a lot and they're

[40:27] there's a lot getting done so Tim Tim is there a way we can simplify this on our

[40:33] end as a Township to make it not so difficult for our residents to be able

[40:37] to do

[40:43] this so it's the zoning that's prohibiting this from happening again

[40:48] we're back to that I said it's the zoning it's the

[40:52] zoning that's prohibiting what the building of a of a garage instead of

[40:57] house on on a piece of property that somebody owns or wants to

[41:13] buy that zoning like the back of your hand what is there any piece of that

[41:18] that allows for this like why do we have to have a primary not that I could find

[41:23] um that was something that carried over from our old zoning was that a parcel

[41:28] to build on a parcel that an accessory use which is a garage is considered an

[41:32] accessory use you must have a primary principal use on the proper so how hard

[41:38] is it to make an amendment to that so we're looking if I had to guess about a

[41:46] two to three month process at least so we have to I believe the way and I would

[41:50] have to read the zoning to be certain we propose it to the Planning Commission uh

[41:55] so there's there's two options there's a land owner Curative Amendment which is

[41:59] where the land owner submits to the board asking for this amendment but then

[42:02] he still has to pay for a hearing and go through the hearing process or the board

[42:06] can propose an amendment to the Planning Commission and

[42:10] ask the Planning Commission to prepare an amendment for adoption we have to go

[42:14] through um and notify because this would be a change in

[42:19] uses I believe it's just a general ad notification similar to most like

[42:26] ordinance amendments um I don't believe because it's not a map change we don't

[42:30] have to notify everyone's surrounding it's more just a general but you still

[42:37] have yeah we would have to have a public hearing but this is something the board

[42:41] can do and it would honestly go about as

[42:45] fast as a variance process in my opinion if not maybe faster because for variance

[42:50] you also have to gather the zoning hearing board which is a separate board

[42:52] from us and get them all three together and get that moving so variance puts a

[42:57] lot of work on our residents but this is something that yes an amendment we can

[43:02] propose to the Planning Commission and ask

[43:04] them we don't and he doesn't have to pay for it we can cover we we eat the cost

[43:09] of if if it is a board proposed amendment and again I I have to read to

[43:13] get exact but it's off my best recollection and a board approved

[43:17] Amendment the entire cost is eaten by us or a board proposed amendment can I ask

[43:22] followup absolutely yes does the current owner of the property need to file for

[43:26] the Amendment or does the future owner well this is something we would do on

[43:31] our end to basically change the regulations that would permit anybody to

[43:35] be able to do that not just case specific for you okay and then once that

[43:39] was in place then I it would BR the property up to build you know a chicken

[43:43] coupon it or a garage or you know whatever you preferred on your own

[43:48] property yeah that a little more complicated than I was no there's yeah

[43:53] looks like there's two Avenues here yeah thank you we could put a garage or

[43:59] apartment above

[44:02] it all a toilet in a bedroom you can live there always a

[44:09] loophole that's not legal advice I'll give I'll give you a

[44:14] builder um this tagging off of that because we've had some other issues come

[44:21] up with some of the zoning things is it each amendment is its own set of costs

[44:27] we can do multiple multiple amendments in one and that would be my

[44:31] recommendation is let's come through for some other issues because I I I would

[44:36] think that would be the most cost effective route for the taxpayer that we

[44:39] find as many to do at once and not be one there one here one there so the

[44:46] answer is we can get this fixed but not as fast as you want Tim has something to

[44:50] say for this too keep in mind what

[44:55] Tim that's the biggest EXP

[45:08] [Music] [Applause]

[45:14] okay so whoever wants to I mean I I'll I'll look for the the

[45:19] sections and I'll talk with Tim and see about what wording needs to change yeah

[45:25] everybody needs to look as a group we should yeah look look through I'm I'm

[45:28] speaking specific to what the section I know um but yeah as a group look through

[45:33] find some things I mean bound to be some things we carried

[45:38] a lot over from the old ordinance um so there're bound to be some more things

[45:42] that maybe would want change that didn't get done in the year and a half process

[45:45] for doing it but um so yeah come through find what you can and we'll talk with

[45:51] Tim and see what next steps are so well I just I just prepared for

[45:58] a we and AO ex I'm that I'll everybody there's

[46:05] some saved money

[46:08] already perfect thank you Tim because we had a couple things that we wanted to

[46:12] look at that kind of works well together yep

[46:16] okay so we will do some research on our end

[46:20] and I I I don't want to guarantee you that it is something that will move

[46:24] through I can't make that guarantee but it's something we're going to look at

[46:28] and attempt to resolve that you'd be able to put a

[46:32] garage on it without a house would be the first property just a garage correct

[46:37] yeah but it would be a change to our new zoning that changed well that specific

[46:42] regulation I'm not sure if it changed or not I have to check

[46:45] but okay any other visitor comment just one followup on that would

[46:51] I have to present some sort of a plan of what it is I'm planning to put there

[46:56] right now right now there is no obligation on your end this is fully a

[47:00] board proposed amendment the board will do what it needs to do now when your

[47:06] time to build comes depending on the size and everything you have your

[47:08] building permits all that but yeah okay any other visitor

[47:14] comment okay no mo want to calendar reminders additions just a reminder to

[47:18] the board October what I say October 2nd October 2nd

[47:24] at 6 pm board will be meeting with the municipal Authority board here at the

[47:30] municipal building um in an executive session to have some discussion on their

[47:35] Futures and what they're trying to work out right now any other calendar

[47:42] editions okay any need well now is my time for an executive session however I

[47:47] would ask for a motion to go into executive session followed by

[47:51] adjournment with litigation so I would ask for that

[47:59] second immediately followed by wej the meeting then go okay yes yes

[48:06] yeah okay I'm just that's my yes the motion to adjourn the meeting then move

[48:13] to okay all those in favor I oppose motion carries motion by Kevin to

[48:21] adjourn the meeting do I have second second second up by Jerry Jeremy that's

[48:26] not Jer Al in favor I oos we're adjourned at

[48:39] 7:47 Yeah Tim will get to work on that we talked about that last month Tim and

[48:43] I talked about that

Gilpin Township Board of Supervisors Regular Monthly Meeting 9/17/24

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