[0:11] Good evening everyone. The time is 7:04. I'd like to call this meeting to order.

[0:17] Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson, could you do the invocation, please?

[0:21] » Yes. Good evening, everyone. Father God, we just give you glory and honor. We

[0:25] just thank you for greatness, your faithfulness. And we thank you for your

[0:28] love and your compassion that you have towards us. We thank you, Lord Jesus,

[0:31] for how you sustain the city of Leard and and and meet our needs. And Father

[0:36] God, I just ask that you will bless everyone that is participating in this

[0:40] meeting today. Father God, that you would grace us with wisdom and and

[0:44] knowledge and peace, Father, as we um go and do the business of the city. Father

[0:48] God, we just ask these things in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen.

[0:53] » Amen. Thank you, Madam Cler. Could you do the roll call, please?

[1:02] » Sure. Good evening, everyone. Councilwoman Cross

[1:08] » here. Councilman Harrison,

[1:18] Councilman Herring,

[1:23] » Councilwoman Jones >> here,

[1:27] » Councilman Williams,

[1:33] » Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson >> here.

[1:39] Mayor Curtis >> here.

[1:44] » Councilman Williams.

[1:49] I think I just saw him pop on.

[1:55] Councilman Williams.

[1:59] » Yes. >> Uh we don't roll call.

[2:03] » Yes, I'm here. >> Thank you.

[2:05] » Thank you.

[2:09] Uh, we have a quorum. Thank you.

[2:13] Is there a motion to adopt the agenda?

[2:20] » So move. >> Is there a second?

[2:24] » Second. >> Any discussion?

[2:27] » I have a question. >> Yes.

[2:30] » Councilwoman Jones. I'm looking at the agenda and I don't see uh where there

[2:36] has been indicated for reports and I have a question not to discuss reports

[2:42] because we normally don't do that until later on but I have a question

[2:45] concerning reports and it's not on the agenda. So I would like to have that

[2:49] added please. >> Uh a question on uh on reports or a

[2:56] particular report >> on all of the not all of the reports but

[3:00] a couple of the reports. Yes. >> Okay.

[3:04] » It's not a a question. It's just um

[3:11] » Go ahead. Just report. >> Yeah, we we had we removed the reports

[3:15] because typically we go over them on in a regular session and we have a a hefty

[3:19] agenda tonight. Um so that was the rationale for not having the reports on

[3:25] the agenda. >> Okay. So this is my question.

[3:29] Uh we did receive some reports from the uh

[3:33] miss the uh email that you sent out concerning the reports. I don't see a a

[3:37] report for the city manager and I do not see a report for the chief of police uh

[3:43] not necessarily that the council would have to have those reports, but I'd like

[3:46] to see those reports uh uh before the regular meeting because of the fact and

[3:52] there for citizens also, especially when it comes down to the police department.

[3:57] Uh I need to I need to still know the number of service calls uh due to the

[4:03] fact that uh from what I'm understanding I've asked been asked twice before this

[4:09] day came that um I am against the police department and I have a petition going

[4:13] around to get rid of the police department which is far from the truth.

[4:17] Very far from the truth. That is not true. So, um

[4:22] » I'd like to uh have that make sure that those reports are sent to me or sent to

[4:26] the council before the regular session so that uh the citizens will have a

[4:31] chance to view them and I will have the chance to view them myself.

[4:35] » It's nothing that it's nothing that has to be inepth to the citizens or to the

[4:39] but at least a report to let them know what's going on in the city. And like I

[4:43] said, for the police department, I need the uh uh calls for service from Prince

[4:49] George's County to be able to justify why we do need a police department.

[4:54] » Okay. Uh well, I'll I'll just add it to the topics of discussion your request

[4:58] for reports. >> Um any other discussion?

[5:04] » Yes, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes, sir. Councilman Williams.

[5:08] » Um I'm looking in the package. I don't in the written package. I don't have an

[5:13] agenda. So I don't and I don't see the legislation about the stop sign of Lon

[5:18] Parkway that is it we don't need to go through that or just need to be a public

[5:24] hearing for next week. >> Um

[5:28] go through a public hearing already. We just

[5:30] » It didn't go through a public hearing. >> Okay. We can make sure it's on a public

[5:34] hearing, but it did go through um >> we discussed it and everything. I just

[5:38] don't I just want to make sure it's on the public hearing for next. Thank you.

[5:42] » Thank you for the reminder. We'll look um into that and make sure it's at the

[5:47] public hearing uh so it can go to the public hearing and then move forward

[5:51] with the vote since we've already have it had it at a work session.

[5:57] Uh

[6:01] all right. Uh any other discussion? I have one Miss Tena Felder is here and

[6:09] she's here to um answer any questions that we have and make a small

[6:16] presentation and we can do that in the beginning.

[6:21] All right. So the amended agenda is to include a

[6:27] [clears throat] topic discussion for reports uh and Miss Tena Felder for

[6:31] presentation and questions and answers. Um,

[6:36] any other items?

[6:40] Any opposition to adopting the amended agenda?

[6:47] Hearing none, by consent, the agenda is hereby adopted. Uh, Councilman Williams,

[6:53] um, that you you can get to the agenda

[6:57] online, uh, if you go to the city website or if if, uh, Council Cler,

[7:04] could you just email him? >> Yes, I'll get right to it now.

[7:07] » Yeah. Thank you.

[7:11] All right.

[7:16] Moving on to the agenda. First item on agenda is the

[7:23] resolution to extend contract with GCI residential.

[7:32] Scroll to it. >> Point of order.

[7:35] » Mayor, >> I'm sorry. Thank you. Yes.

[7:38] » You said he's going to talk to a guest. I'm sorry, Miss

[7:41] » Yes. That's the same thing I was going to

[7:43] say, sir. Thank you. >> You are correct. Thank you. I was

[7:46] following the agenda and forgot my notes that we amended the agenda. So, first

[7:50] item up is Miss Felder. I saw her. Oh, there she is in my corner. Uh, Miss

[7:56] Felder, you have the floor. >> Okay. Good evening everyone. Um I am uh

[8:04] giving just an update on the status of the elevator project um and also the

[8:10] nutrition center council chamber project as well. Um so for the elevator project

[8:16] um all of the drawings um are 100% complete and they're with the uh Prince

[8:21] George's County for a permit review and um we are awaiting some fees that need

[8:27] to be paid so that the permit review process can continue. Um, I'm

[8:32] anticipating that once the um the fees are paid and everything has been um

[8:38] assigned to the different reviewers that we should hopefully be able to get the

[8:42] permit within a 45day period. So, um I'm I'll be working closely with the

[8:48] reviewers to try to get, you know, everything approved and any comments

[8:53] that they may have to get those uh responded to as as quickly as possible

[8:57] so that we can finally get uh all of the permitting completed for the elevator

[9:03] project.

[9:06] So, that's that's where we are with with that with the status of that. Um the

[9:11] other project is with the council chambers and nutrition center. I believe

[9:17] the last time I met with um the council here um we were just awaiting final

[9:23] direction on the um layout the proposed layout that we had presented. There were

[9:30] some um back and forth about, you know, what was going to happen with the

[9:35] nutrition center, what we were going to put, you know, like the equipment inside

[9:39] of the nutrition center kitchen. Um the council chambers and things always

[9:44] remained a as we had it originally designed along with the the restrooms

[9:50] that are redesigned towards the rear of of the space as well. But we were still

[9:55] awaiting direction as to what we were going to do with the nutrition center.

[9:59] And I'm just gonna share my screen. Just give me one second here.

[10:04] » Let me make sure you can share it.

[10:15] » I'm going to send a request to you. >> Yes. Gray. Can you unlock the um

[10:23] screen share, please? >> You got it.

[10:31] » Okay, great.

[10:36] » And just let me see where my screen is visible.

[10:42] » We can see it. >> Okay. So, um I'm just going to zoom into

[10:46] the the various portions here. So, this is um the new the council chambers

[10:52] again. Um it's going to be exactly like what we had um discussed with you and

[10:58] and everybody approved. And if you can see, can you see this 3D

[11:02] threedimensional? Okay. So, this was a um just a rendering that was done just

[11:08] to show what the new council chambers will look like once it's renovated. And

[11:12] basically what we're going to be doing is redoing the the platform. Um adding

[11:17] the the handicap compliant ramp uh to get up to the platform. We're adding the

[11:22] the wood panels um around the the entire perimeter of the of the council

[11:29] chambers. Um redoing the seal that's on the wall in the back. Um and then on the

[11:34] wall where um this is where the mechanical room is and this is actually

[11:39] the door that leads out to the exterior of the the stairwell which leads out to

[11:44] the exterior of the building. So for the remaining walls we'll be doing

[11:48] acoustical panels on the wall to help with reverberation purposes um and the

[11:53] acoustical quality within the space and then also a large um flat panel screen

[11:58] that we would have here for presentations and things like that. um

[12:03] towards the the back of the space. This is the wall that's shared with the

[12:07] nutrition center. So again, we're going to maintain the a large opening between

[12:13] the council chambers and the nutrition center that can act as overflow, but uh

[12:17] so we're we're instead of doing the accordion petitions that you have there

[12:21] now, we're going to be um replace that with um like a sliding glass system. And

[12:27] these can be opaque glass, um you frosted glass, whatever that we want to

[12:32] do here. Um that will be able to separate the council chambers from the

[12:37] nutrition center so that when the council chambers isn't in use, if you

[12:40] want to close it off to the public, then it can be closed off to the public. And

[12:44] then the the remaining walls on the side of those um uh that sliding glass panel

[12:49] system will be the acoustical panels um as well. the nutrition center. Um I just

[12:55] left that as a as a blank space for now. Basically, what we were going to do is

[12:59] just um refresh all of the finishes that are inside and also redo the nutrition

[13:06] center kitchen as well. Just kind of um you know adding some equipment and

[13:11] things. I'll get into that in a second. But also what we were going to do was

[13:14] replace all the windows um along the the nutrition center as well because those

[13:20] those are old. I think those are sing single pane windows, aluminum windows

[13:24] that you have there now. So those were all going to get replaced and the

[13:27] existing through the wall units that you have there were going to be taken out

[13:31] and um the mechanical system, you know, would would be adjusted as needed uh for

[13:37] that area. So, with the kitchen, the nutrition

[13:41] center kitchen, um what we were proposing was to um not we um I I

[13:48] believe there was not going to be any cooking or anything done there. So, uh

[13:52] back in the day, I believe you had like a range there that was taken out. So,

[13:56] basically all this is is just like a warming kitchen in in essence. So, we

[14:00] have a three compartment sink, uh things that comply with the health department,

[14:04] um some shelving. These are stainless steel tables for prep tables. Uh we'll

[14:09] have a microwave um that's available, a a column refrigerator and freezer, which

[14:15] is commercial grade. And also this is a food warmer um that's here in the corner

[14:21] where um if you have food brought in then they can use the warmer to just

[14:25] keep the food warm. And then we would have a hand sink as well which also

[14:29] complies with um um health department standards.

[14:34] And also in the rear um the back area where the two toilets, the men's and

[14:38] women's toilets are, those will be um completely reconfigured um so that they

[14:44] can be truly ADA compliant. Right now I I know back in the past back in I

[14:49] believe when we first started working with you all was back in 2008 I believe

[14:54] and the first um scope part of the scope of work was to add like some ADA

[14:59] compliant things to the restrooms. So, these restrooms are going to actually be

[15:03] completely demoed out and and redone and um reconfigured. Um taking some space

[15:09] from the adjacent storage and that that closet that's in the middle that would

[15:13] be taken out as well. That janitor's closet would be relocated so that we can

[15:18] um create full ADA compliant handicap stalls. Um and then have the the ADA

[15:23] accessibility that we need in both restrooms.

[15:28] And that is the that's pretty much what the layout is. Um so we were just

[15:33] awaiting direction from the council. Um because I think if once we get direction

[15:38] from you, if you say this is okay, proceed uh with the final construction

[15:43] documents, um we we've already about maybe I would say about 65% complete

[15:49] with the drawings for this as this is laid out right now. So if you give the

[15:53] go ahead, we would only need about uh 30 days to be able to complete those

[15:57] drawings. And then those can also be submitted for permitting as well. And I

[16:02] know that um one of the things that we had discussed um uh previously in other

[16:07] meetings was um you know since you were going to be doing the elevator and it

[16:12] was going to require some downtown down time in that area um where the council

[16:19] chambers is that it would be nice to also go ahead and have the council

[16:22] chambers in that area done at the same time um to minimize mobilization costs

[16:27] with the construction company but also so that you know when everything is

[16:31] finished then that whole area can be can be reopened.

[16:38] So that that concludes um the the updates that I have at this time.

[16:44] » Okay. Thank you. Uh any questions from council councilwoman cross?

[16:54] » Thank you Miss Felder for that uh update. I do have one question. You

[16:58] mentioned the year group which I am floored by 2008.

[17:04] That means you've been working this project for 18 years. Um I don't know

[17:11] how you feel about that number but it seems like we could have built a whole

[17:14] new municipal center in 18 years. So, can you talk to us about what have been

[17:19] our budgetary obligations over these 18 years and how

[17:24] much are we in for on these projects and uh one elevator to uh now the added

[17:32] council chambers and I presume that's the only two things that you're doing

[17:37] for us >> over the correct

[17:39] » 18 years. Can you give me a financial rundown of what we look like

[17:46] we invested thus far from the city's tax dollars? Thank you.

[17:50] » Sure. Um I I don't have all of those figures in front of me. I didn't know

[17:53] that was going to be a question. I can certainly provide uh what has been on

[17:57] the architectural side. Um but it's all been done in phases. So when we were

[18:02] first um hired uh with the city of Glennard, the first phase was to do some

[18:07] ADA retrofit um items. So that included what I was talking about certain things

[18:12] like adding push buttons to doors, adding grab bars to the restrooms and

[18:17] also the parking lot um um construction where the ADA um compliant spaces were

[18:24] provided and also the walkway on the lower level, not on the upper level,

[18:28] just on the lower level. Um and so that was phase one. Then fa while we were

[18:33] working on that, phase two came along where it was the elevator idea. I

[18:38] believe we started working on the elevator I want to say 2010 I could be

[18:42] wrong plus or minus a year um with the elevator and we had actually completed

[18:48] um the full construction documents and everything at that time it was a design

[18:52] build so uh we there was a contractor on board and the contractor was working

[18:57] directly with with the city um in in terms of you know the pricing everything

[19:03] um and then I I don't know exactly what happened but all I know is that the the

[19:06] project was hauled Ed um from the city um and so it's been kind of like a start

[19:12] stop start stop start stop stop stop

[19:13] stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop

[19:13] stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop

[19:13] stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop um from that

[19:15] point on so I don't have what the financial

[19:19] um the total financial picture I can give what the architectural fees have

[19:24] been up to that point um but I I don't have that information with me but I can

[19:28] certainly provide that >> thank you for that is uh the treasurer

[19:33] on Mr. Stewart, do you have a financial picture of how much the city has

[19:38] invested thus far in this project, elevator project as well as the uh

[19:44] council chambers?

[19:48] » Thanks, Councilwoman Ross. Um I will have to do the same by looking into the

[19:54] information to see how much we could have and I'll get back to the council on

[19:59] um what has been incurred over that period of time.

[20:04] Thank you.

[20:07] » Thank you, Mr. Stewart. Is that all? Councilwoman Cross.

[20:13] » Yes, that's all. I would like to have those numbers um one from the city, but

[20:18] also Miss Felder, I would like to have your numbers as well uh sent to the

[20:23] council team so that it can also be made available to the citizens so that they

[20:28] have an appreciation for the investment thus far. Thank you. will do.

[20:33] » Councilwoman Jones.

[20:38] » Thank you, Mayor Cross. Um, thank you, Miss Felder, for the followup. As a uh

[20:42] follow up on what Councilwoman Cross has presented, my question is uh the last

[20:47] time we met with you concerning this. We saw this all of this uh presentation

[20:53] that you brought tonight. I'm can't understand what the between I think it

[20:58] was almost two years ago that we met with you. What was the what

[21:03] where where what was the the fallout between the last meeting we had

[21:08] downstairs in the council chambers with you and these drawings and today

[21:13] » with with regards to the council chambers themselves or the elevator

[21:18] project >> all of it.

[21:20] » Okay. Um so with I'm going to start with the with the council chambers. So when

[21:26] um we when I had presented these drawings before um we received um

[21:32] direction that uh the council was possibly looking at instead of um having

[21:37] the nutrition center as the nutrition center to actually allocate some of that

[21:43] as part of the police department. And I actually um had done like a a schematic

[21:49] of if we had divided up the space um where we just used a portion of it for

[21:55] the nutrition center and then added some of the space allocated some of that

[22:00] space for the um for the police department. So, I know that that was at

[22:05] at that point that's when we kind of stopped everything because there was

[22:09] talk about if there was going to be a new police department somewhere or if

[22:13] the some of the space was going to be taken and added to the police

[22:16] department. Um, so that that's where the that part project stopped. And so that's

[22:22] why we were waiting on direction or as to should we continue forward to

[22:27] complete this or were there other plans for for that space. So, that's what

[22:32] that's what happened with the nutrition center in the council chambers. Um, in

[22:37] terms of the elevator project, um, we ran into a a few little hiccups um with

[22:42] with my my engineers, but we got everything worked out and um and so

[22:48] that's why we're we're trying to get everything completed with the with the

[22:52] county in terms of the permit review. >> Okay. So at this juncture um for this

[22:59] project to move forward the three of those projects the elevator the

[23:04] nutrition center and the council chambers

[23:08] to move forward we at this juncture you're saying that we have to make a a

[23:13] payment to the permit or the permits has an invoice or anything's been submitted

[23:18] to the administration with a figure that we owe for the permits

[23:23] » yes Mr. gardener has the invoice from the county with the permit fees and a

[23:26] breakdown of the fees. >> I don't see a resolution on the um

[23:31] docket for that, but I guess we'll have to discuss that uh with the um

[23:39] city manager. >> I I can chime in very briefly. Thank you

[23:43] for the question. Um the contract that we have with the architect uh indicates

[23:50] that the the payment of fees uh to the county for permits is on the city. Um

[23:57] and the the county has provided a breakdown of the fees. There are

[24:04] actually two payments. Uh the first payment is uh for u between9 and $10,000

[24:12] which is due prior to the uh the county starting their review. And then the

[24:19] second payment is at the end of the process and it is also for about um 9 or

[24:26] $10,000. Um, so if um if council prefers to to do

[24:32] a motion or resolution to approve those fees, we can do that. Um, I I wasn't

[24:37] sure whether uh since it was in the contract that we would be responsible,

[24:42] whether that would be um considered approved per the contract, but either

[24:47] way is fine.

[24:51] Well, I mean, if we're going to move forward with these projects, we're going

[24:55] to have to stay on top of them. And whatever we need the next step is when

[24:59] the balls in our court, we need to move forward. Uh if it's not in our court, we

[25:04] need to f figure out whose court is in and get them to move move the uh project

[25:09] forward. I mean, we just can't sit on this. We've been sitting on this like uh

[25:12] Councilwoman Cross has said uh as the elevator especially for 18 years. And I

[25:18] know for at least two years that we last met with Miss Felder, we've been sitting

[25:22] on this project. Thank you, Mayor Curtis. Thank you, Miss

[25:26] Felder. >> Thank you,

[25:31] Councilman Williams.

[25:41] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. There there's an elephant in the room that I

[25:46] think needs to be addressed. Last because I came in the back end in

[25:51] this and the last meeting I was in with Miss Felder.

[25:58] I recall, and maybe I'm wrong, but council

[26:03] members, I do recall we asked the status of where we was with the elevator and we

[26:09] were told that we were impermitted. So, we asked how many more days it going

[26:15] to be and we was given some days. So,

[26:21] now today meeting and she said we just figuring stuff out.

[26:27] But I do recall and we can bring up the tape if there is tape that you told us

[26:35] that we asked where we were the elevator and you told us they were in permitting.

[26:40] You submitted it for review and permitting and that's the last we heard.

[26:46] So please help me understand the difference.

[26:49] » Yeah. So at that >> Sure. At that time I was working with um

[26:54] park and planning um to see any requirements that I needed in terms of

[26:59] the um a woodland conservation exemption or uh um natural resource inventory

[27:06] exemption. So at that time I was working with um with park and planning um you

[27:12] know trying to get that done. Um, and then we had finished up all of the

[27:17] drawings. Um, but there were a few things that we needed to add uh to the

[27:21] drawings. Um, some life safety things um sheets that we added to the the per the

[27:26] permit set. Um, so we got all of that resolved and then um the initial

[27:31] application that I had submitted um had timed out in the system and so um I had

[27:37] to resubmit a new application and and that's where we are today.

[27:45] So, what you're telling us today is, and I don't know how many months ago that

[27:50] was, that you submitted an application, it wasn't

[27:56] complete, and it timed out

[28:00] » and you then had to submit some more

[28:05] information to get it to where it is now.

[28:08] » Correct. And are you telling me it's is ready for

[28:14] permitting now? >> Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I I

[28:17] » All right. So, when you said it was in permitting before,

[28:20] uh, did we pay fees? >> No, you didn't pay any fees. You didn't

[28:24] pay I I didn't invoice and you didn't pay any fees.

[28:28] » Why not? >> Because I was working with park and

[28:31] planning at the time and and the fees were not required at that time.

[28:35] » But they required now, >> right? because this is dealing with the

[28:38] the building permit for the entire project.

[28:42] » Okay. I it it something still don't sound right to me. Uh Mr. there. And

[28:50] I just think that we get somebody dedicated because I I can't remember how

[28:56] many months ago, but this has been too long working with this vendor and for us

[29:04] not to come back now to tell us it was timed out. That should have been told to

[29:09] us back when it was timed out. What was going on? I apologize for any

[29:17] any um delays and things that I that may have caused on my end. Um I again as I

[29:24] mentioned I have been involved with the city since 2008 and so this project is a

[29:30] project where I I I view it as in lack of a better terms like my baby because

[29:37] we've been again we've been involved with this for that that entire period of

[29:41] time and so it it I am dedicated to making sure that we do what we need to

[29:47] do to to see this come to fruition just because we've been involved with it for

[29:52] so long and and and we do we do have everything

[29:56] that's needed um so that we can get everything done as quickly as possible.

[30:02] » But I would I used to be a CPS child protective service worker and if this is

[30:08] your baby, we would have you for neglect.

[30:11] So I will hope from this point on I I accept your apology because that's what

[30:16] I was waiting to hear because we was told one thing and it what didn't

[30:20] happen. you sending us now. So, I'm just asking the administration, the mayor to

[30:25] sign somebody. I don't care if it's a council member or staff. We need

[30:30] consistency to make sure this things go through as councilwoman Jones has said.

[30:36] Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, for my time.

[30:48] » Thank you, Councilman Williams. Uh, Mayor Proton Ferguson.

[30:52] » Thank you, Mayor. Um, I want to address the issue about the um the cost of the

[30:59] um permitting. I think it I'm thinking roughly might be like 18,000, but um I

[31:05] think it was a figure of 91 um down payment, which I was made aware

[31:11] of. I mean, a week ago or so, and I had a conversation with um Mr. Gardner um

[31:16] and we went back and forth with that. as a matter of fact, spent some time on it

[31:20] because he originally wanted to uh present it to to the um council

[31:26] to to get it done just by motion. And so we went back and you know, you know, let

[31:31] them know that, you know, what the charter says as far as anything $2,000

[31:36] up to 6,000, but less than 6,000, we could um let us

[31:42] know 3 days ahead of time. But anything 6,000 or more, we had to do a

[31:48] resolution. And I mean, you know, I guess um maybe what he's familiar with

[31:53] from other municipalities, whatever. But the bottom line is we came to the

[31:58] conclusion that um a resolution had to be done and I did tell him um well

[32:04] mentioned to him you know you know you're going to have to do a resolution

[32:08] for the monies. So the fact that it is not in this package I have a problem

[32:13] with that also um as councilwoman Jones did because these are the type of things

[32:17] that that um that you know set us back. I mean, this was mentioned. I mean, he

[32:23] still can he still can be put in this package um for the public hearing, but

[32:27] the fact of the matter, it just should have been done last week um when we

[32:30] talked about it. And so, um my I have a problem with with the fact that it

[32:34] wasn't I was looking for it and I have a problem that it's not in here because

[32:37] these are the little small things that that um you know uh stagnate the um the

[32:44] projects. So, um I would like to um give a directive to have that resolution done

[32:51] up and it needs to be in this packet so that we can vote on it or whether we I

[32:55] don't know what we're going to do whether we're going to go through the

[32:58] the regular um stage you know with the public hearing and then they um you know

[33:03] I mean you know we need to get it voted on this month. So again like I said it

[33:09] should have been done. Thank you mayor.

[33:14] Thank you,

[33:17] Councilwoman Cross.

[33:22] » Thank you so much. Yes. Uh so I did a quick pull on our resolutions and

[33:29] different things and uh we right now have $1,891

[33:36] um set aside for the FY26 capital budget which has been identified for the two

[33:42] project lines. That's the elevator project at $1,313

[33:49] $1,000. $1,313,000 and then $578,000

[33:56] for the nutrition center/chambers for the city council upgrade. Now, that

[34:02] combines again to 1,891,000.

[34:08] So now the discussion that I go back to um takes us back to just 2022. So you

[34:16] say you've been with this since 2008. We definitely need to get an update um to

[34:22] update these budgetary numbers. But that was the councilmatic decision on these

[34:28] chambers. And of course during that time we all are familiar with the fact that

[34:33] we were under co monies and all of that was part of the discussion plan for the

[34:39] center the bathrooms uh recognizing the expenditures and the approvals. Now

[34:45] there was no amount identified or cited at that time but then the ARPA financing

[34:51] source was identified at $300,000 and that was partitioned for fiscal year

[34:58] 23 um and and to 24 and see that was part of the capital planning. So for me,

[35:06] I mean, just right now, there seems to be a lot of money that's just been

[35:11] chunked at this project for nothing really to have come out of it. And

[35:15] that's just 2022. And then if we go into 2024,

[35:21] uh you know, we had a city manager project report and of course we've

[35:25] switched through about four city managers now. So the chambers and

[35:30] nutrition center renovation was discussed and that was back in March. So

[35:35] the ARPA funding was a project activity that was a that was provided to support

[35:42] this project. And then we had another procurement initiative that happened um

[35:50] shortly after that dealing with the elevator construction the RFP and that

[35:54] appeared in legislation and then it was approved. So that was late 24 to 25 and

[36:02] that was resolution 12 2025. So Miss Felder, I'm just I I am equally

[36:09] as concerned as everyone else that has spoken uh you know and I kick this off

[36:14] by saying 18 years is a long time you know to be waiting for something to be

[36:19] delivered. Uh particularly when we look at you know at least three or four

[36:24] different contractors that have shifted off this job. Now, I don't know what

[36:28] role you would play into, you know, seeking uh refunds from these

[36:33] contractors that didn't complete the task action, but we've had separate

[36:39] capital lines for the elevator project, the nutrition center, and the chamber

[36:43] upgrades um at least since 2022, May 17th of

[36:48] 2022. So I I

[36:53] every time that we ask about what's going on, how much longer, uh it

[37:00] shouldn't be, uh, you know, the round robin because we're keeping record and

[37:04] we're keeping track of the conversation and we can't just wash, rinse, and

[37:08] repeat. So, it seems to me that with 1,313,000

[37:16] programmed for these projects that that should be part of the permitting and

[37:21] everything included, not another almost $20,000

[37:25] and a new resolution because that's part of the proposed budgetary plan for these

[37:31] projects. So, is there a reason why the proposed budgetary plan uh at least like

[37:38] I said, I'm just tracking back 2022 cannot be utilized to complete this. Why

[37:44] do we keep getting nickeled and dimed is my question relative to this project?

[37:51] And um I would appreciate some response on that because again u I'm looking at

[37:56] just at almost um $2.5 million. That's a lot of money that's

[38:04] been allocated to these projects and we're just refoundationing the council

[38:10] chambers, you know, with a few upgrades. Thank you.

[38:19] » Thank you. Is that is that >> that's for Miss Felder? I need some

[38:24] clarity. Uh Miss Felder, are you the project manager on this project?

[38:28] » Yes. So So let me let me make sure it's it's understood. When I say we started

[38:33] working back in 2008, we started working back with specific scopes of work. The

[38:38] elevator project came up, but it was stopped not because of us, but because

[38:42] of the city. The city stopped the work. And then we weren't contacted again

[38:46] about it until I want to say um Miss Beverly when the city manager Beverly I

[38:54] I can't remember her last name. Do you guys know who I'm talking about?

[38:57] » Yes. >> Habatada. Miss Beverly Habata. I what

[39:01] that's when I that's when it came up again on you all's end and she contacted

[39:06] me because we were the architects who had worked with the city previously and

[39:10] the work stopped not because of us but because of whatever was going on with

[39:14] the city which I wasn't privy to. I don't know what happened. All I know is

[39:18] that the the projects just stopped. Okay. And then years later, Miss Habata

[39:23] contacted us um 2022, whatever it was, 2023, and said, "Hey, um the city is

[39:29] interested in revitalizing the the um elevator project." And then the the

[39:35] nutrition center and council chambers wasn't even part of it. That didn't come

[39:39] until later. So So it's not this hasn't been like an 18 year where I've been

[39:44] involved and haven't produced and money's been spent on this project and

[39:48] things like that. No, not at all. We, like I said, we started the project um

[39:52] under a contract that was given with the city of Glennard under design build. So,

[39:57] our we were the architects that were selected. The the I believe the contract

[40:01] was directly with whatever the contractor was, whoever the contractor

[40:05] was at the time and then the city stopped the project and then came back

[40:09] to us years later and said we wanted to revitalize the project and that's where

[40:13] we came in again. So, I hope I hope that brings brings a

[40:18] little clarity to the timeline and the time frame.

[40:22] » That was with Corin Construction. >> I I I was actually um yeah, Corick was

[40:28] not involved in way back in the day when we first started. That was another

[40:32] contractor. I can't remember the name of the contractor, but that was another

[40:36] contractor who was involved back then. coordinate came in when the elevator

[40:40] project was definitive within what the last year two years ago

[40:45] » 24 >> right that's when they were introduced

[40:48] to the project >> and then before that was red leaf

[40:51] architects >> redlift group that's that's us that's me

[40:54] redlift group architects is me >> okay so we've had red lift red leaf

[41:00] architects proposals associated since 24 along with uh

[41:06] » Cornic >> and and um you've been with us and then

[41:10] coordinate construction presented a new design buildout proposal for the senior

[41:15] center and the council chambers May 4th of 2026 during a council work session.

[41:23] And so now from that position when they presented uh Carneck was directed to

[41:30] forward the design bill to the treasurer. Has that happened?

[41:39] Not not that I'm aware of. >> Okay. That was council medicic direction

[41:43] and that was given May 4th of 2026. That's this year. Cornic was directed to

[41:49] forward the design build contract documents to the treasurer and the

[41:54] council also discussed the storage for the council room. So this is where we I

[42:01] think as I know I am speaking for myself. It is very concerning when you

[42:07] say oh the city reached out to me the city reached out to me. You are a hired

[42:14] support to manage this project. Manage it. And the city is like the parent.

[42:21] Okay. And and you say hey mom dad we need X. Mom Dad here's what's happening.

[42:28] This is now falling off the B. This contractor walked off the job. But there

[42:33] the each time it's been the city had to reach out and beg and ask what's going

[42:38] on with our project. No more of that. I I would ask that that's not where we're

[42:42] at in the future because we definitely gave direction on May 4th. That hasn't

[42:48] been taken care of and we're sitting in um my heavens, this is, you know,

[42:54] September. I I wasn't included on the May 4th direction.

[42:59] » Corin was. So maybe we follow up with uh the teammates that came for Corin's work

[43:05] session May 4th because that was the direction forwarded to build design

[43:10] contract to our treasurer so that we can have an appreciation of what this looks

[43:15] like. Uh and again [clears throat] we put a budgetary allotment of one now

[43:22] it's 1.891 891. So 1,891,000

[43:29] against this is set to be in the FY uh well FY26 approved budget. Okay. So um I

[43:38] just would like to see the finances tighten up on this project. I would like

[43:42] to see the project management, project direction tighten up on this project and

[43:47] don't yield to the city who is buying a project to manage the project. We need a

[43:54] manager that, you know, works with our city manager to get it done.

[44:00] All right. We appreciate your time, ma'am.

[44:05] » All right. Thank you, Mr. Gardner. Did you have a comment?

[44:09] » Um, just a quick a quick comment. Um, I um have been in touch with uh the

[44:17] construction firm that was mentioned. Um, I believe council um authorized that

[44:25] firm to provide a proposal uh to the city. Um, I I checked with the city

[44:32] attorney. the city attorney had not reviewed the proposal and at that time

[44:39] um there hadn't been communications with red left for some time and so I reached

[44:46] out to red to see what the status was uh of the elevator project. The um proposal

[44:56] from the other firm would have involved um completely

[45:03] doing doing new designs. Uh and it was a design build proposal.

[45:09] Um I think uh the best way forward for the city since Redl

[45:18] is uh has has submitted for permit. I think

[45:23] the fastest way for the city to move the project forward is to uh have the county

[45:31] review ultimately approve the design that REDLE has prepared. Um, with those

[45:39] uh permitted plans, the city can go out to bid and it can be a competitive bid

[45:45] to identify the the best uh construction firm that uh you want to see for this

[45:53] project. Uh the city would also at that time decide whether or not it needed its

[45:59] own construction manager or whether red left could do the construction

[46:04] management. um and kind of move forward from there.

[46:08] The the city has budgeted uh significant funds for the project. Uh

[46:14] but um the vast majority of those funds have not been spent. [snorts] I know the

[46:20] the the current contract with REDLE is I think for less than $30,000

[46:26] that involves the submission of the um drawings for permit approval. But we

[46:34] will get you the total amount spent um probably just in a in a day or two.

[46:45] » I do have a question. [clears throat] Um so with the drawings being sent for

[46:51] permitting, who owns the drawings? Does the city own the drawings or does

[46:55] Retliff own the drawings? Miss Felder? Well, technically Rhett owns the the

[46:59] copyright of the drawings because I I am the architect of record on the project.

[47:04] So, I am the one who stamps the drawings. Uh so, they they come under my

[47:08] my my purview um for that. And so, then, you know, that's why when we submit

[47:14] everything, then they come back with comments, we do what we have to do to

[47:18] address whatever comments we have so that we can get the the approvals from

[47:22] from the from the um the county. >> Okay. Okay. So, any back and forth is

[47:26] handled by your company. >> Correct.

[47:29] » Okay. All right.

[47:34] » And and just um I'm sorry, I didn't mean to. May I say anything? Yeah. One more

[47:37] thing. Um and what I did was I made sure that Mr. Gardner has access to the

[47:43] permit portal as well. So, he'll be able to see the progress of the permit review

[47:49] as we go along. >> Okay.

[47:55] All right. Thank you.

[48:02] Is there any uh further questions for Miss Felder before we move on?

[48:10] So, as we sum it up, what's Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, Councilwoman Cross.

[48:16] » Hi. Yes. Thank you so much. I I would just like to have those plans um once

[48:23] again made available uh for you know a releaseable version for the city for the

[48:29] people so they can understand what the new design bill proposal looks like and

[48:35] that way we have a formal record of it being sent and an acceptance email if

[48:40] you will from the treasur uh on the proposed document uh because I'm not

[48:46] aware of the treasur measure of sending us anything that gives us, you know, a

[48:51] solid appreciation of what this project is going to cost. I don't want any

[48:55] project overruns and we don't want any more uh scope creep on this project.

[49:00] Thank you,

[49:08] » Councilman Williams. Question. Uh, I've heard a statement

[49:13] that Red Leaf, whatever the company is, Red something owns owns the plans. My

[49:20] question, at what point do we own the plan? Have we paid to

[49:26] do the work? What at what point do we own the plans?

[49:32] » I'm sorry, I was muted. Um, once uh the the final fees are paid to me per my

[49:38] contract, then you own the plans. And then also you you you are the applicant.

[49:44] Um I'm just acting as your agent, but for the permit, you are named the city

[49:49] is named as the applicant on the on the actual permit. So So it'll say to the

[49:54] city of Glennard um on the on the permits.

[49:58] » I understand that. But if that's the case, then at that point when

[50:04] you submit or you said you already submitted it,

[50:08] » correct? >> Don't we own the plans? Because if it's

[50:10] our project and we our permit and we submitting the plan, is it our

[50:14] ownership? Wouldn't it be our ownership? >> Yeah. Once once the the final fees are

[50:19] paid on on the contract to Rutniff Group,

[50:23] » you didn't ask my question. I asked you a direct question. You submitted permit

[50:28] with our name under our name. >> Correct.

[50:32] » So, are you saying that we don't own the plans with a permit that's already

[50:37] submitted with our name on? Well, when I I I think that the it's getting confused

[50:41] what it means owns the plan. When you say owns the plans, what what are you

[50:45] what exactly are you referring to? Just so I can make sure we're we're talking

[50:48] about the same thing. >> What do you what do you the issue is

[50:51] with you? One usually think you own own the pan, you have control of the plans.

[50:56] » So So as right so as the architect of record, I am responsible for the plans.

[51:01] I'm I am taking ownership of the information and the details and things

[51:06] that are within those plans. So, so that's why another architect couldn't

[51:12] come and just take my plans and and and you know claim them as their own because

[51:18] we have copyright um laws that are with when architects produce drawings and

[51:23] they stamp drawings. So as the city

[51:27] » but if they change if they change if they change your

[51:31] drawing then you it's like any copyright is change is another is is so I get okay

[51:37] I I got what I want. Thank you very much Mr. Mayor.

[51:43] » Thank you. All right. Are there any other questions

[51:48] for Miss Felter?

[51:53] So summing everything up, the balls in our court as relates to the permanent

[52:02] process for the elevator and the um council chambers and nutrition

[52:08] center. Correct. >> That's correct. So with the elevator,

[52:13] the ball is in your court in terms of the fees. All I need to know for the

[52:17] nutrition center, like I said, the drawings are like 60 65% complete. All I

[52:23] need to know is the if the way that we have it laid out is acceptable to the

[52:28] city and then that way we can just finish up the final details for that so

[52:32] that that can get submitted as well. >> Okay. So that's not impermanent. Only

[52:37] the elevator projects impermanent. >> Correct.

[52:40] » Okay. All right. And Mr. Garner, the total for

[52:46] that permitting is what? >> Uh the total is just under uh $20,000

[52:53] for the elevator permitting. The first payment is just under 10.

[53:02] » To be exact, it's $9,998 and87.

[53:07] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[53:08] » All right, >> Mr. Mayor. I'm sorry. One one quick

[53:12] thing to just for clarification. I believe, Miss Felder, the current

[53:17] contract the city has uh does not include your providing the

[53:23] construction drawings for the council chambers and the nutrition center. Is

[53:28] that correct? >> No, it does.

[53:30] » It does include Okay. Okay. My my mistake. So, um,

[53:37] you need a green light on whether to proceed with that and, uh, we need to

[53:42] pay the fees so that the, uh, elevator project can be reviewed.

[53:47] » That's correct. >> And, and how much is owed on the

[53:50] contract with Red Lift? >> Um, I don't. Do you do you have that

[53:55] with you, Mr. I don't have it in front of me. I'm sorry. I

[53:58] » I do not. I just remember that the the the total cost of your most recent

[54:03] contract, I believe, was less than $30,000.

[54:09] » Okay. >> I I I can have that information over

[54:11] tomorrow to Mr. Gardner. >> All right. Thank you. Uh final comment

[54:18] to Councilwoman Cross and then we can move on.

[54:21] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And also for the Cornick uh design um budget documents,

[54:27] we need that as well, please. Um because I I don't recall the treasur ever

[54:33] sending those out to us. The Cornick was supposed to send us the design bill

[54:38] contract documents as well so that we can understand how that's being priced

[54:44] out for each of those designs. Can you send us that as well?

[54:49] I I will touch base with Cornick on that. Yes. Well,

[54:53] » um and I'm sorry I can um add to that. Uh we we do have the proposal from

[54:58] Cornick that was uh for a full uh design build uh based on conceptual drawings,

[55:06] not on approved uh permitted plans. And I I say that to emphasize that it's

[55:15] hard to get a hard number from uh conceptual plans, but I believe the

[55:22] documents that they provided to me were documents that they had provided to the

[55:26] council, but I I will make sure you get those.

[55:30] » Uh thank you, Mr. Garner. I appreciate that. Uh I am I appreciate and I'm also

[55:34] concerned by the statement because we're paying a permit on conceptional plans.

[55:39] stand. >> No, no, I'm I'm sorry.

[55:43] Very two separate two separate proposals, two separate tracks. Um,

[55:51] Miss Miss Felder and her firm are finishing up uh construction drawings

[55:58] that will be permitted. Uh and once they are stamped and permitted by the county

[56:05] uh the city can uh ask for construct construction companies to bid on

[56:11] building that project. The proposal from uh Cornick was to do a design build and

[56:20] they would do their own elevator design and then they would be the contractor to

[56:27] build that project. Um, so, um, the the

[56:35] the quickest way I think to get to a competitive bid for a new elevator

[56:42] would be to um get the plans approved by

[56:50] uh, Redliff. The other option would be to to stop

[56:57] that process and go with another firm whether it's Cornic or somebody else but

[57:04] that firm would have to essentially start the design from the beginning.

[57:11] » I I understand that Mr. Gardner uh Redlev had communicated earlier that

[57:16] there was a proposal submitted and it termed out. So we are we are submitting

[57:23] the same old proposal. Uh there was some new additions to the proposal because

[57:29] it's the same building and the same [music]

[57:33] need. So um I'm I again uh we'll discuss offline but I I am going to say I'm

[57:42] concerned about that proposal now being submitted. We already had it submitted

[57:48] once it timed out. Is it the same proposal that we're bringing back for

[57:53] another permit? And what happened to the old permit

[57:58] money? I mean, we sought a permit, it timed out. Do you just lose it? The

[58:03] county keeps your money. >> That that um I I think it's it's a

[58:07] little um confusion there. That first one was there was no permit fee paid

[58:12] because that wasn't um the county's review. That was park and planning was

[58:17] reviewing. There was no fees associated with that at that time. So, this is the

[58:21] first time that I'm asking um the for fees for the actual permit from the

[58:26] county. >> Thank you, ma'am.

[58:28] » Okay.

[58:34] » Okay. Thank you, Miss Felder. >> Thank you very much, everyone.

[58:42] [clears throat] >> All right. Next item on the agenda

[58:47] is the resolution to extend the contract with GCI residential. Um Mr. Gardner,

[58:54] it's my understanding that you also wanted to discuss this in close session

[58:59] as relates to this contract. >> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Um there couple

[59:06] things that I want to make sure council is aware of. Um the current contract

[59:13] with uh GCI uh ends at September 27th and we need to come to an agreement with

[59:21] them uh prior to that. And so I'd ask that um you introduce a resolution

[59:29] tonight. We can have a close session discussion. There will be a public

[59:33] hearing and council can uh make amendments. um as they desire uh before

[59:42] the final vote, but we would want it to be approved on the 21st.

[59:48] And um I apologize. I thought that the two options that they had provided

[59:55] um were included in the packet and and they were not and I I emailed them to

[1:00:01] you separately uh just a couple hours ago, a few hours ago.

[1:00:06] Um essentially,

[1:00:09] um GCI has proposed uh one option which is a one-year

[1:00:17] agreement and the rate would go from $31.75

[1:00:23] per household to uh $349 per household per month

[1:00:32] or a two-year extension. where the price would go from 3175

[1:00:41] to 3317 and then the second year there be a 4%

[1:00:49] increase. Now, there are some questions that I've

[1:00:52] asked uh the company to respond to regarding other fees related to uh the

[1:01:00] county tipping fee cost and um a possible increase for fuel search charge

[1:01:08] that I haven't gotten response to yet, but we can still um get a dis we can

[1:01:15] still discuss in close session if you wish um and get direction on how you

[1:01:21] want to proceed, but I I wouldn't want you to approve or

[1:01:27] I'm sorry, I would want you to introduce a resolution tonight.

[1:01:31] » Okay. Thank you, Councilman Williams.

[1:01:41] I just want to make a recommendation that we come back and discuss

[1:01:47] Miss Felders um and and moving forward.

[1:01:53] I I don't feel comfortable with her. I don't tr I don't trust her. That's just

[1:01:59] me and I want to get feedback from the council. So, we can do it today or

[1:02:03] another meeting, but I I I would like to have a

[1:02:08] conversation, followup conversation with the council members of what she said and

[1:02:13] uh what she said she did. >> Thank you.

[1:02:18] » Is that a a topic that we could discuss in tonight's close session or does it

[1:02:23] have to be open? >> I can't hear you.

[1:02:30] It's a open it's it's open. Um there's nothing closed about it that

[1:02:38] I would think it could be closed about. So it would be topic of such a

[1:02:42] discussion follow up her her um interview or her presentation.

[1:02:50] » Okay.

[1:02:57] » All right. Um so R-04-2027

[1:03:04] resolution to extend contract with GCI is still introduced tonight. Uh council

[1:03:10] will discuss the terms and the close session. Um and then it will go to

[1:03:16] public hearing next week.

[1:03:24] Okay. any Okay, we'll just move on.

[1:03:30] Um, so this

[1:03:34] slight error we this a resolution R-05-2027

[1:03:39] resolution to hire a new police chief. That resolution was already introduced,

[1:03:44] so we don't need a new number for it. It was introduced uh in 2026. We just need

[1:03:48] to vote on it. Um, so we'll find that resolution. Um, it's already been to a

[1:03:54] public hearing. We just need to the chiefest has been hired uh but as a

[1:04:00] formality we just need to pass the resolution.

[1:04:04] Uh next is the resolution for removal and replacement of heat pump uh

[1:04:11] R-06-2027

[1:04:14] um and the related

[1:04:21] well Mr. Are these two different things

[1:04:24] removal and replacement of the heat pump and replacement

[1:04:29] of motor for heat pump? Why are these in two separate resolutions?

[1:04:34] » Yeah, there they're sort of two options for council to consider. Um the um we I

[1:04:41] had indicated to council earlier that uh a motor was going to cost uh $4,000 when

[1:04:49] the contractor expected it to be less than two and there was questions as to

[1:04:55] whether we could find a less expensive motor. Uh we were not able to find a

[1:05:00] less expensive motor. Um his recommendation is to replace the entire

[1:05:07] unit. Um the cost to replace the entire unit uh which includes a piece on the

[1:05:14] roof and includes controls in the building um would be $20,000 58.

[1:05:24] Um the unit uh is obsolete. the freon in it is not the freon that is permitted at

[1:05:32] this time. Um, we did have a proposal for the same replacement with a

[1:05:42] different brand unit uh in February and that was for about $24,000.

[1:05:50] Um, I reached out to the firm to see if that price was still good and they were

[1:05:55] going to send me confirmation and I have not received it yet.

[1:06:01] But council could either um just replace the motor for $6,200 and some dollars or

[1:06:14] uh replace the entire unit which would be a little over $20,000.

[1:06:21] Okay. Thank you. Uh, Councilwoman Jones.

[1:06:26] » Thank you, Mayor Curtis. I'm due to going through this same process with my

[1:06:31] residential home. My air conditioner went out August the 11th, and I'm going

[1:06:34] through this same thing. I would like to see a proposal or invoice or work order

[1:06:40] telling us uh exactly what we're getting for $20,000. How many? You said this is

[1:06:45] a uh 4 ton, but what's the uh energy rate on it? What's the sear that we're

[1:06:51] getting? And if the old unit, if you want to replace the motor and it's

[1:06:57] obsolete, which nowadays, if the if it doesn't meet the freon that used to be

[1:07:02] back in the day, it they're not going to support it's not going to be supported.

[1:07:06] So why would we get a motor when um there's going to be no support for if we

[1:07:12] need Freon? They can't replace the Freon because they don't have that that uh

[1:07:17] Freon available anymore. So I would like to see a complete invoice with the uh

[1:07:23] scope of work and a a proposal that they're giving us and a picture of the

[1:07:28] unit. I mean, all of this should have come, you know. Um, so what you're

[1:07:33] saying is you sent us uh uh these two resolutions, six and seven. One is for a

[1:07:40] motor and one is for a new unit because you didn't you didn't think we would

[1:07:45] know which one we wanted. Is am I am I correct?

[1:07:50] Um I I thought it was a decision for for the council to make and um there there

[1:07:57] is a proposal attached to uh each resolution. Um it does not include the

[1:08:05] sear or the efficiency rating for the unit, but I can I'll happy to get that

[1:08:10] information. Uh but it is for a Goodman brand heat pump. It it uh it does come

[1:08:17] with a 10-year parts warranty and one-year labor warranty.

[1:08:23] » The resolutions that I have 06 has nothing attached to it. Uh and 07 has a

[1:08:29] resolutions from all seasons mechanical and it's very to me uh

[1:08:37] vague and in scope of work and proposal, but that was for the motor. $6,000 for a

[1:08:44] motor. So, I'd like to see the proposal for the new unit and and why to the

[1:08:50] council, to the city manager, why invest in a motor that you may not be able to

[1:08:57] service uh like I said, if the Freon is not

[1:09:00] available, right? the um the proposal for the uh

[1:09:06] $20,000 unit replacement should be in the packet immediately

[1:09:12] following uh the end of the uh resolution

[1:09:17] um R06.

[1:09:21] Um and uh I I agree. I I I think that um you're better off replacing the the full

[1:09:31] unit. Uh but um I had heard that um the option

[1:09:39] had been provided uh previously and uh at that time council wasn't interested

[1:09:45] in uh investing that money. Um, so, uh, I it's it's council's call.

[1:09:54] » So, this unit, is it for the entire city hall or just for the downstairs, the

[1:09:58] lower level area? >> It's just for for part of the lower

[1:10:02] level. >> Part of the lower level area. And then

[1:10:05] we're considering uh doing renovations to the lower level. How would this

[1:10:10] spending that money, how would it affect uh Okay, we got a new unit. I guess

[1:10:17] they'll just probably have to work around the new unit with the during the

[1:10:22] re renovations. Okay, I I see that. But like I said, um because we didn't

[1:10:28] receive our uh I didn't receive a packet. I had to piece together what I

[1:10:31] have. I do not have a uh scope of work proposal or invoice for this $20,000

[1:10:38] unit. Thank you, Mayor Curtis. >> Thank you. Uh as as I recall um former

[1:10:49] director of public works recommended that we get the system replaced. Um

[1:10:56] I think I Mr. Nicholls um had it

[1:11:02] looked at and presented something to the council. I think Mr. Garner said we the

[1:11:08] council decided not to go with it. Uh, I would hate to throw

[1:11:13] money at a, you know, at a lost cost. I I will say that the building is, you

[1:11:21] know, relatively old and so I would like to see an assessment of all the HVAC

[1:11:27] systems. Are they working? Are they not? Um, you know,

[1:11:34] as Mr. Councilwoman Jones just said I would not put a motor in the old system

[1:11:39] that I couldn't even get serviced. Um so uh if you can provide all the

[1:11:46] information that council was asking for that'll be great. Um and

[1:11:52] uh additionally get the other systems in the building

[1:11:56] checked out so we can have an idea of what that will look like as well.

[1:12:01] Councilman Jones. >> Thank you. Mayor Curtis, uh, Mr. Gardner

[1:12:05] also presented us in one of his emails saying that the build, the entire

[1:12:08] building needed a uh, uh, like an evaluation.

[1:12:12] » Uh, and I think that needs to be done because it is an older building. Um it

[1:12:18] there's a lot of things that need to be addressed, you know, um and I'm sure a

[1:12:23] lot of things that will be found once we do this elevator and the renovations of

[1:12:28] the other areas that we're discussing, but and the electrical work that should

[1:12:32] have been done in the gold room three or four years ago when it was first bought

[1:12:35] up that has not been done yet. There's just, you know, a lot of uh issues in

[1:12:40] the building that that are not being addressed. I mean, I look at the the the

[1:12:44] city hall Like I look at my home, I there are certain maintenance issues

[1:12:50] that I have to do every year. And because maintenance issues have not been

[1:12:53] done in city hall on a regular basis, now they're getting to the point where

[1:12:58] you you either going to uh swim or sink. So uh I I think that uh uh him

[1:13:06] presenting the information about getting the the whole build an evaluation for

[1:13:09] the entire building to find out where we are, it would be uh feasible at this

[1:13:14] time. And then because it's and then with the air conditioner because it's

[1:13:18] getting um cooler now outside. I I know I wouldn't want to have you know the

[1:13:23] citizens or anybody uh the employees in the building burning up. But if it's

[1:13:28] something that we can you know at this juncture kind of slow down on because it

[1:13:32] is getting cooler and we may not need the air conditioning um that we can move

[1:13:37] forward and you know uh get this addressed properly you know. Thank you.

[1:13:48] Mr. Garner, >> I'm sorry. Just quickly, um, this this

[1:13:52] heat pump um does provide both uh cooling and heating and apparently there

[1:13:58] were times last year in the space when the space was was very very cold because

[1:14:04] it couldn't heat the space properly. >> Okay.

[1:14:10] Thank you. All right. on to R-8-2027

[1:14:15] resolution for snow and ice removal service.

[1:14:20] Councilwoman Jones, I got this resolution and when I pulled

[1:14:26] it up, it gave me a RZZ 2026. It looks like an old resolution from maybe when

[1:14:34] we I don't know cuz it's got 2026 27 uh dates on it. But when it's if like I

[1:14:41] said it has an RZZ 2026 at the ref of the resolution number.

[1:14:49] So, but I'm looking at the rest of the resolution and it does have 2026 dates

[1:14:53] on it. So, hopefully the information that that was given um concerning the

[1:14:59] contract is uh what it's supposed to be. But that

[1:15:05] resolution number is when I pulled up RO8, you know, just went to and clicked

[1:15:10] on and and it came printed out. It printed out RZZ 2026. So I don't know

[1:15:16] what that is. >> Yeah. On uh as I pull it up, I can show

[1:15:21] you. Hold on a second. >> And then the contract is not attached to

[1:15:25] it.

[1:15:30] » You are correct. The contract is not attached to it. Let me bring it up real

[1:15:34] quick so you can everyone can see what we're talking about.

[1:15:45] You are correct. The the um contract is not attached. This is

[1:15:52] authorizing it should it should have been attached. Um this is authorizing an

[1:15:58] extension of the existing contract but not a new one. Um,

[1:16:05] and there we go. Let me make it bigger.

[1:16:12] Uh, at the at a new rate of of 125. What's the current rate, Mr. Garner?

[1:16:20] » Uh, the rate that was charged last year was 115.

[1:16:28] And so this is to to in this current contract, we have an extension uh but we

[1:16:34] can extend for an additional $10 per hour

[1:16:39] for a snow truck.

[1:16:47] But council clerk, if you could get this, well, if you could email this to

[1:16:52] council members, I know this is online, but if you could just directly email it

[1:16:56] to the council, that would be great. And uh

[1:17:00] » if we could also get the original contract and forward it as well in the

[1:17:05] same email, that would be great. >> Okay.

[1:17:11] Okay.

[1:17:15] Where's my cursor? Thank you.

[1:17:24] All right.

[1:17:30] Last uh legislation is R-9-2027 resolution sustainable Maryland.

[1:17:39] Are there any questions or comments related to that resolution?

[1:17:53] Mr. Garner, do you have any comments as relates to um [clears throat] this

[1:17:58] resolution? >> Very briefly, uh Sustainable Maryland

[1:18:02] has been around for I don't know, I think 20 20 years plus or minus. Um

[1:18:09] all other Prince George's County municipalities at this point uh have

[1:18:14] been um participants and they would love to get the city of Glennon Arden to join

[1:18:21] and uh it seems like we if we join we would be perhaps the 100th municipality

[1:18:29] to join and they have an event scheduled in October where they said that they

[1:18:35] would uh recognize us if we went ahead uh signed or passed the resolution.

[1:18:45] » Okay. Any questions? Councilwoman Jones.

[1:18:53] » Thank you. Uh yeah, the uh city of Glenn Arden was uh a member of Sustainable

[1:18:59] Maryland uh Councilwoman Een uh years ago. Well, not years ago, it wasn't that

[1:19:04] long ago, uh had written up all the documentation and everything for us to

[1:19:07] be uh part of sustainable Maryland. Thank you,

[1:19:16] » Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson. >> I basically was going to say say the

[1:19:20] same thing because I think I co-sponsored with um Councilwoman E.

[1:19:25] um as we can go back and look and see if we can see

[1:19:29] the resolution, but we were um in that program. Thank you, Maya.

[1:19:36] » Okay. Do you know approximately what year that

[1:19:40] might have been? I would like to look it up.

[1:19:42] » Um it had to be between um 17 20 2017 and 20 21.

[1:19:51] » Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Council on Jones.

[1:19:57] » And I may still have the paperwork, so if I have it, I'll uh uh it's

[1:20:01] [clears throat] a lot, so I'll just drop it off to you.

[1:20:04] » Thank you. >> Okay.

[1:20:08] Uh oh, sorry, Councilwoman Cross. >> And um I'm looking at the resolution and

[1:20:15] I'm not seeing like what's your proposal? Uh sustainable Maryland is

[1:20:20] about sustaining something either, you know, um the monach butterfly or, you

[1:20:28] know, the honeybee or something. What is it that we're sustaining? Uh there are

[1:20:34] cities that, you know, have sheep roaming because uh the drops help, you

[1:20:41] know, certain grass that grows in their area. So, what is it that this proposal

[1:20:47] seeks to provide? And and and that's the thing. Um not just that we want to have

[1:20:54] something on the books, but that we have a plan. You know, the resolutions have

[1:20:59] to have a a a real plan relative to how are we sustaining Maryland's precious

[1:21:07] resources. Um do we have we thought about that? I I haven't been inquired as

[1:21:13] to what we would like to see as a sustainable plan or even maybe this is

[1:21:17] something where our citizens need to have a you know to speak up about what

[1:21:22] it means to be sustainable. Th this is one of the concerns that I have with

[1:21:26] this legislation. We don't just do things so that we can get our names

[1:21:30] written in some record book. We do it because it matters for the

[1:21:33] sustainability of something that's either in extinction or almost going

[1:21:38] into extinction. And so we are partnering with the state to preserve

[1:21:43] those particulars things a certain grass a certain

[1:21:47] butterfly for example that are pollinators. Have we thought about it

[1:21:50] that way Mr. Gardner?

[1:21:54] » Sure. Thank you. Uh this resolution is only to have the city be registered with

[1:22:02] sustainable Maryland and um in terms of the requirements, it just requires the

[1:22:08] council pass a resolution. Uh the next step if council so desires would be to

[1:22:16] get certified and put together a plan and that plan would include some of the

[1:22:21] actions and commitments that you were referencing.

[1:22:25] So, um that uh could be the direction that council chooses to go,

[1:22:34] but that's not this particular step. this would um put us in a network of

[1:22:40] other communities uh give us an opportunity to see what they're doing uh

[1:22:46] get some ideas uh possibly um make us eligible for some uh grant

[1:22:52] money and and then we could consider if the city would like to move forward with

[1:22:59] certification as a similar process and program. Uh the

[1:23:06] city also needs to decide if it wishes to become part of

[1:23:13] the sustainable communities designation which is a department of housing and

[1:23:19] community development program. Unfortunately our designation

[1:23:24] lapsed some some years ago and we have to go through the process if we choose

[1:23:30] to to meet those requirements again. and it's kind of a similar plan to the uh

[1:23:38] certification program. So, there's an opportunity for us to

[1:23:44] kind of work on both if council wishes. >> Okay.

[1:23:50] Thank you, Councilman Williams.

[1:24:00] I would say that

[1:24:03] we have a plan. Mayor Pro Tim

[1:24:09] Ferguson and Councilwoman

[1:24:13] Jones just articulated that former council member Een worked on a

[1:24:21] plan and we uh voted on a plan somewhere between 17 and 21. So a plan is out

[1:24:29] there. Our commitment to it is already out there.

[1:24:34] So this may not be necessary to vote on this because

[1:24:40] or it may be something to just formality because we already committed to having a

[1:24:46] sustainable plan. Thank you.

[1:24:50] » Thanks. Can we find that and we could just motion that at our next meeting? Uh

[1:24:55] if we are able to find it, send it out to council members and then we just the

[1:25:01] motion to continue [clears throat] with

[1:25:06] » Yes, I'll look forward. >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:25:13] All right. Uh we're on to our topics of discussion. Uh the first topic we're

[1:25:19] going to do I so I don't forget about it. Councilwoman Jones, you said you

[1:25:24] want to make a request regarding reports.

[1:25:28] » Yeah. Um, like I said in our packet this time, what I was able to piece together

[1:25:33] from what you sent, we only got the, um, code enforcement report, um,

[1:25:40] media communications, HR's report. Uh, but the other reports, I didn't see, um,

[1:25:48] the police chief report. I didn't see the public uh the um city manager report

[1:25:53] and like I said those reports are not necessarily

[1:25:56] uh for us but for for the citizens to also see have an idea of what goes on in

[1:26:02] the community. Uh like I said with the police report I've had citizens come up

[1:26:07] to me and talking about some petition that I had going around to uh get rid of

[1:26:11] the police department which is so far from the truth. I don't know who would I

[1:26:15] mean I the first time I heard it I just let it go. But then when I heard it

[1:26:18] again the same time two weeks later, um um I I I just we need a police report.

[1:26:26] We need a police department. Uh I am not against having a police department. I am

[1:26:32] a proponent of making sure that we have one because we've had one for so many

[1:26:36] years that the community policing uh the police chiefs that we've had prior have

[1:26:41] been exemplary. Uh and I expect this to continue in the city of Glenn Arden. So

[1:26:47] if anybody comes to your door and says that this is a petition that

[1:26:52] Councilwoman Jones is behind to get rid of the police department, that is so far

[1:26:57] from the truth. It it's an outright lie to the citizens of the city of Glenn

[1:27:01] Arden. Uh I would like to see a police report. Uh like I said, I want to see

[1:27:06] the county's uh report that they send every that we can get every month about

[1:27:13] calls for service. I know in the past we've had calls for service between 600

[1:27:17] to 400 calls for service a month. So I want to continue to see that and

[1:27:22] continue that the citizens see that so that they will know that we definitely

[1:27:26] need a police department in our community. Uh thank you uh Manager Green

[1:27:33] and code enforcement for your impeccable report that you send every month that

[1:27:37] has all of the information needed to understand what your department does and

[1:27:41] what they are doing. uh Mr. Green's report is an example for the rest of uh

[1:27:47] the managers in the city of Glenard to be an example of uh as giving us

[1:27:54] information concerning what's going on in that particular department. Thank

[1:27:58] you, Mayor Curtis. >> Thank you. Uh and just as we,

[1:28:04] you know, are opening up this uh new sess legislative session,

[1:28:09] um you know, tuning some things up as we move forward, making sure, Mr. Gardner,

[1:28:16] that all of the um administrative reports are to you at

[1:28:21] a certain time so they can come to the council at a certain time. [snorts] So,

[1:28:25] uh we fully expect the the reports to be done by the it should be done by the

[1:28:33] 20th um uh to to come to us as a council um for so example for example on

[1:28:44] se I mean it's late but September 20th we should be able to have

[1:28:50] um the prior months reports so that we can discuss them at

[1:28:55] the next work session. Uh but whatever timing it

[1:29:00] needs to come to you. Um I don't know what all goes in there cuz 20th is being

[1:29:05] very generous. Uh I don't think it should take that long, but uh it should

[1:29:10] come to you first and come to to us. Uh Councilman [clears throat]

[1:29:14] Jones, >> it is Thank you. It is definitely

[1:29:17] outlined in the council rules as to when those reports should get to the council

[1:29:23] clerk in order to distribute them to the council for the work session. Thank you.

[1:29:29] » Yep. Sure is. And I think it's it's somewhere around there, but you can

[1:29:33] check. Uh Mayor Proton Ferguson.

[1:29:37] » Yeah, I was basically going to say that thank you, Mayor. Uh the same thing that

[1:29:41] um Councilwoman Jones said, but I think it's it's sooner than that. um because

[1:29:46] they should be um having enough time so that um the clerk can do whatever they

[1:29:52] needs to do do to do and even um I think we just need to get the the rules out.

[1:29:59] Uh maybe we need to go over them again, but um I think in some cases um

[1:30:04] documentations and um different things are given to the clerk um

[1:30:11] too late. um you just can't give like a not necessarily this particular um

[1:30:20] incident but you can't just give a a legislation on you know Thursday or

[1:30:25] Friday you know evening and and and think it's you know it's supposed to be

[1:30:31] in the in the uh the next working day Monday. So there there are some rules

[1:30:37] and regulations. So we need to make sure that we get into administrations. Um and

[1:30:41] we also need to decide of course whether we want to um for the most part it's

[1:30:45] going to be the same but I think we may need to go over how we um

[1:30:51] um because I don't think we have done that and I think since

[1:30:56] um I think when u former counselor was so

[1:31:00] that was last administration. Thank you mayor.

[1:31:04] Thank you.

[1:31:08] All right, moving [clears throat] on. First item is

[1:31:13] the GCI extension which we will punt to the close session. Um the official

[1:31:20] swearing in. Next item is the official swearing in of Chief Henderson which if

[1:31:25] it's okay with Chief Henderson. Um, I don't know if you guys want to do

[1:31:33] that as a separate ceremony or you want to do it as a part of the regular

[1:31:36] session this month.

[1:31:40] Um, Council Cross, >> um, usually that's a separate

[1:31:49] ceremony for Chief Henderson, but also, uh, we just received a bid proposal from

[1:31:54] council clerk on the snow and ice control services. I don't know if you

[1:31:58] need to update the date here, but it originally says issued in 25 with a term

[1:32:02] contract one year to begin January 26. So, I believe that needs to be updated.

[1:32:08] Madam, you just sent it to us an email just for

[1:32:13] » Yes, ma'am. >> Okay.

[1:32:18] Um, Chief Peterson, if you can is he on?

[1:32:24] Yeah. think of sometimes I know that your your

[1:32:27] family want to be a part of it. Um I don't know what we

[1:32:35] » Yeah, it's a separate ceremony and there's you know the citizens are

[1:32:38] invited to come out. Uh the family is there uh sworn in. We do have some light

[1:32:46] uh orders. Um you know it's it's usually done that way.

[1:32:51] » Yeah. So if if you want to connect with me uh

[1:32:57] Chief Henderson offline, we can uh sync schedules and send that invite out um so

[1:33:04] that we can move forward with that and invite you know your guest list uh as

[1:33:10] well as anyone any others who would like to attend.

[1:33:15] » Absolutely. May >> Okay.

[1:33:21] Um, Mr. Gardner, I think we've already we

[1:33:25] touched on the HVAC system, so there's no need to go back on it. We touched on

[1:33:30] the extension of snow removal contract. Uh, the sustainable community

[1:33:34] certification is that's the same one that we've already discussed as well, or

[1:33:39] is that something separate? >> Okay.

[1:33:41] » Um, I'm I'm sorry. That's that is actually

[1:33:45] the state program. Um that um that is one that um will take uh a large larger

[1:33:56] commitment from the city to go through the certification process. Um it does uh

[1:34:04] make the city eligible for certain uh grants or other kinds of benefits.

[1:34:11] Uh, we should probably um take some additional time or I can

[1:34:18] send the mayor the council information about what that would involve. But th

[1:34:23] this is the state program that um unfortunately the certification is I

[1:34:30] think it's good for three years maybe five years and it and it lapsed.

[1:34:36] » Okay. Any [gasps] discussion on on this council?

[1:34:47] » So, you're looking for us just to renew it, correct, Mr. Gardner?

[1:34:51] » Um, I guess at this point you can give give us the green light to pull together

[1:34:57] the requirements for council to consider to renew it and um we can uh present

[1:35:04] that at a future council meeting. and and see if if you're interested in

[1:35:09] going down that path. >> Well, given everything that's on your

[1:35:14] plate is um what's the level of effort behind this and is it a priority right

[1:35:20] now? We have a lot of things that we're trying to do.

[1:35:24] » Um it's it's it can't be done kind of

[1:35:30] immediately. it it to me it's a fairly significant um community commitment.

[1:35:36] Um and you're right, we do have a lot of

[1:35:40] other things that we we need to to push forward. Um, I I'd maybe like to

[1:35:47] consider circling back in uh a month or so and just see if we're at a point

[1:35:53] where the council can get the space to look into all the requirements and

[1:36:01] determine if it's interested and then if so, we'll put together a plan to do it.

[1:36:09] » Okay. We'll we'll discuss as we're putting together uh future work sessions

[1:36:15] um whether it should go back on the agenda um and continue to focus on the

[1:36:21] items that we do have that are immediate that that we need to get taken care of.

[1:36:26] Council Lacrosse, >> I just have a topic on the Pimrose

[1:36:31] project when we are ready to have that discussion

[1:36:35] and it's dealing with the bio trench um number G13. I just want to make sure

[1:36:41] that that slope uh does not degrade the residents that are there and the church

[1:36:48] that it's you know it's a little sliver of land that's part of Glenn Arden that

[1:36:54] um you know butts up against Pimro's development structure.

[1:37:00] » We're about two bullet points away from Pimro.

[1:37:04] » All right. Thank >> All right. Next up is the update and

[1:37:10] next step for elevator project which would be a perfect place for Councilman

[1:37:15] Williams. You want to discuss um

[1:37:20] you know the architect red lift

[1:37:30] Councilman Williams.

[1:37:35] Okay. Councilwoman Cross, >> I'm here. I'm sorry.

[1:37:40] » Okay, one second. >> I'm trying to navigate this. Okay. Um,

[1:37:47] I do building

[1:37:52] and I did not like what I heard from her.

[1:38:00] And towards the end

[1:38:06] we I'm going say we we we did get an apology from her.

[1:38:15] However, if you are a vendor of ours and working

[1:38:20] for us,

[1:38:25] it is my expectation that you as the vendor will follow up with us if things

[1:38:33] go wrong, get delayed, put back

[1:38:40] because she claims

[1:38:44] When she told us whenever that meeting was, I was here, you most of y'all was

[1:38:49] here. She said that it is pro permitting it'll take about 30 days.

[1:38:56] When that 30 days didn't come back to me, it should have been on her to come

[1:39:00] back and tell us why. Now she said she submitted to Park and Pounding now, but

[1:39:06] now this time she ain't submitted to Park and P. She directly deep for

[1:39:11] permitting. First, it didn't require any money and

[1:39:16] you dropped the ball. You a timeout. Now, even it's already past that, which

[1:39:23] she didn't clear to me because when Miss Councilwoman Cross

[1:39:29] uh questioner on it, she said that it's time for permitting now and that's

[1:39:37] why we need the money. [snorts]

[1:39:42] And if we decide to if we decide to go with

[1:39:47] a desired bill, which the city manager said I think we

[1:39:54] were leaning to record it, they ain't going to want to use her

[1:39:59] plans anyway. They want to do their own.

[1:40:04] So that's why I said we need to have a

[1:40:08] conversation because if we moving forward

[1:40:14] with her and her plans,

[1:40:19] which I'm not against, but I'm I just somebody got to watch her like a hawk a

[1:40:23] good hour. We will then won't be into a design

[1:40:29] bill. We will be into here's our design. Let's find somebody to build who the

[1:40:35] specs that we have.

[1:40:39] Again, that may be good, too, depending on who's out there willing to do it,

[1:40:49] but based on her performance

[1:40:55] and she made that illusion about this was her baby.

[1:41:00] That's why I had to say she set her up for failure. Mean, if that was her baby,

[1:41:05] then I would be having it'd be child child neglect

[1:41:09] because she did not do what she should have done for us. if it was her baby

[1:41:13] looking out after us. She keeps all kept on saying this when the city contacted

[1:41:19] us. When the city contacted me, didn't she have a duty responsibility to

[1:41:25] reach out to the city if it was some time?

[1:41:29] Just asking, just asking. So that's why I just want

[1:41:34] to bring it up to my colleagues. See, y'all had any

[1:41:41] issues with what she said? How she explained it? It didn't meet muster with

[1:41:47] me. That's all I got to say. I'm not here to

[1:41:51] debate. I just wanted to give you my opinion. Thank you.

[1:41:55] » Thank you, sir. >> Council Cross.

[1:42:02] » Thank you. I did send out those questions to Mr. Gardner. So when um

[1:42:08] Miss Felder, if you can ensure that she uh has a copy, then that way she can

[1:42:15] provide us, you know, exactly what we're needing. The council needs to

[1:42:19] appreciate, you know, the procurement trail on all of the projects, the

[1:42:25] elevator project, the um nutrition center project, and the

[1:42:31] construction of the council chambers. And I I appreciate that she is the

[1:42:36] architect, but I would like to see a project manager on this project. Um, you

[1:42:42] know, the contract itself has been somewhat executed.

[1:42:49] um the amounts and the vendors we have councilically, you know, across at least

[1:42:56] since 2022 been, you know,

[1:43:01] appropriating funding to support this project. [snorts] Um

[1:43:07] we need to follow up and see what happened with the Nickels contracting

[1:43:12] amount. uh whether or not any reward was actually rescended because they were not

[1:43:17] completing the job and if it was ever superseded or even if even portions of

[1:43:23] that contract was executed. We need clarity on each one of these contracts.

[1:43:29] What has Redlift Architects design fees and amendments and additional service

[1:43:34] fees cost us? What has Nicholls contracting their amount their status?

[1:43:40] that was under resolution 332025 if it was rescended superseded or if it

[1:43:46] was never executed the coronet contract the construction amount that's under

[1:43:52] resolution 452025 and then of course the design bill

[1:43:57] proposal which I ask about which was not provided to this council team as I am

[1:44:02] aware and if we were provided please resurface it so that we can appreciate

[1:44:08] what we're dealing with when it comes down on the cornet contracting but all

[1:44:12] the invoices and the actual payments charged against the elevator the

[1:44:17] nutrition center and senior center and the council chambers we need to have

[1:44:22] clear understanding those projects I agree with councilman Williams it wasn't

[1:44:27] a familiar place to hear someone who's been running as the project manager on

[1:44:32] this project say I wasn't prepared for the financial question you're always

[1:44:37] prepared for the financial question because we need to know how much is left

[1:44:41] in the pot. If you don't know what's in the pot, then you're always asking for

[1:44:46] money. And we are we're not an infinite tree, you know, that just keeps shaking

[1:44:51] leaves of money. [clears throat] So, the remaining balance to be funded on these

[1:44:55] sources needs to be clearly articulated by this contract. And also any reserves

[1:45:02] needs to be articulated by our treasurer, Mr. Stewart and any remaining

[1:45:07] grants and any uh ARPA money that was, you know, appropriated for this project.

[1:45:14] We need a clear understanding of what's happening on those three lines of

[1:45:17] operation because as of right now, I'm I'm not ready or even include in enough

[1:45:23] to tell you that we need to put 1.8 million against it. we need to

[1:45:27] appreciate it, understand it or before we move into an additional, you know,

[1:45:33] amounts of money 1.3 already spent, we need to make sure we understand we're

[1:45:38] dealing with these projects. So hopefully that came across clear. If it

[1:45:42] didn't, sir, I did send this all in an email for the council team as well. Mr.

[1:45:48] Gardner, yourself, please share.

[1:45:55] » Thank you. Councilwoman Jones. >> Thank you, Mayor Curtis. At this point,

[1:46:01] um, thinking back, we did have an issue with

[1:46:06] Miss Felder, and I thought that, uh, at that time the city manager was, uh, Mr.

[1:46:11] Simpson, and, and I thought we were as a council, uh, and the city was going to,

[1:46:18] um, not deal with her anymore, and we were trying to figure out how to do that

[1:46:24] with Mr. Kapensky. And I don't know what happened with that because at one point,

[1:46:29] Miss Felder was working on the project. Like I said, I remember her being here

[1:46:33] two years, at least two years ago. We were all downstairs in the council

[1:46:37] chambers looking at the with the presentation that she bought today. And

[1:46:41] I thought we had come to a conclusion about all of the stuff that was going to

[1:46:45] be in that uh area for the refrigerator and the freezer and the warmers. All

[1:46:50] that was taken care of. it had been concluded that this is what we were

[1:46:54] going to put in there. So, I'm not sure why she came back and said that she

[1:46:58] wasn't clear on, you know, uh what we decided because the decision had been

[1:47:03] made. So, um my issue with all of this is if we if we go get another architect,

[1:47:10] that means we're going to have to start from scratch. We've been I mean

[1:47:16] like I like people have said the elevator project has been going on since

[1:47:20] you know after Moses uh parted the Red Sea and everybody came over and we

[1:47:25] started the elevator project and um we're still working on an elevator

[1:47:29] project if we have to start all over again. I

[1:47:34] mean is this one of the issues uh if we get a new architect? I know we

[1:47:41] uh had uh I I thought we had commissioned Cororic to come in and do

[1:47:46] this design whatever but now uh I thought their contract was going to Mr.

[1:47:52] Capinsky to be uh uh you know addressed and then given back to the council as so

[1:47:57] that we could move forward. So, I mean, I really don't want to start all over

[1:48:01] again if we have to. But maybe we could just take our design and

[1:48:07] then get the builder to enhance whatever needs to be enhanced from his

[1:48:11] perspective if that is a process in having something built like this. And I

[1:48:18] don't want the same issues to go on with the police department, with the police

[1:48:22] building. I want us to move forward. These things could have been up and

[1:48:27] built and over with, but we're still dragging our feet. Here it is. Like I

[1:48:32] said, after Moses opened the Red Sea, the elevator project was proposed for

[1:48:37] the city of Glenn Arden, and it's still not built today. Thank you, Mayor Cross.

[1:48:46] » Thank you, Councilwoman Jones. Um

[1:48:57] well my two cents on this topic is um I do remember

[1:49:06] um Miss Felder ghosting us for quite some time. Um you know we were asked for

[1:49:14] updates. I do remember Mr. Simpson um relaying that he tried several times

[1:49:21] to reach out and he couldn't get a response. Um

[1:49:28] I agreed that this could have been done the project could have been done a you

[1:49:32] know at least started on a long time ago. Construction could have started. Um

[1:49:38] I would hate to start it over all over again as well. Um

[1:49:44] I I don't know if we just you know

[1:49:50] from the information I re you know the the answers that she gave the designs

[1:49:55] will be ours after we pay for the uh permitting. Um and so if we can take

[1:50:02] those designs and maybe go somewhere else and just move on. Um, I also have,

[1:50:10] which I don't know how much of a wrench this will throw on things,

[1:50:14] just taking just a a step back and just looking at the entire picture. Um,

[1:50:22] if we're I think Councilwoman Cross said something in the range of 1.8 million uh

[1:50:30] that we are about to spend on this 1.89 8 n

[1:50:35] million that we're going to spend on this.

[1:50:39] Um, you know, I don't know if I'm willing to

[1:50:44] spend all that money on such a um ancient building. Um, I this is a Hail

[1:50:51] Mary. I don't know if this is doable or not, but

[1:50:55] um since we are spending money to build a police station, why don't we just add

[1:51:01] on to that um in a brand new building, brand new space, the police station

[1:51:08] still gets built, have whatever they're going to do, but if we're going to spend

[1:51:11] $2 million uh on just three aspects of the current

[1:51:17] municipal center, which is the elevator project, the nutrition center,

[1:51:21] in the council chambers. Why do we just put that money if if it's going to cost

[1:51:27] us just put that money into adding an additional piece to the police station

[1:51:33] and just moving our headquarters and our council chambers and everything over

[1:51:37] there and just building it all at once. uh as opposed to uh spending $2 million

[1:51:43] where I know once we open up those ceilings and the walls that they're

[1:51:48] going to be some issues, some problems that we're going to have to deal with.

[1:51:51] Um that's going to slow down that project. Um, I I I honestly believe that

[1:51:58] we seriously entertain at least seeing what

[1:52:02] that will cost us uh to have a add-on to the to the new building. Uh, and then

[1:52:09] repurposing the um James Cousin Municipal Center. Um, maybe not putting

[1:52:15] that much money into those whole designs. Uh, but putting money just to

[1:52:20] update the electrical. And I mean, we can even expand the bottom if we wanted

[1:52:25] to or expand the not expand the space. Not expand the bottom. Let me retract my

[1:52:31] statements, but just refurbish that space. So now we can have um uh

[1:52:38] designated areas for senior outreach or youth outreach. Um if we just did the

[1:52:45] you know not the bare minimum upgrades but you

[1:52:50] know electrical HVAC uh maybe carpeting and just uh refurbishing uh some things

[1:52:57] or the space so that we'll have now two designated spaces and then we can offer

[1:53:02] our citizens even more um and having two designated spaces. So,

[1:53:10] that's my thought on it. Um, now, where does Miss Felder lie in that idea? I I I

[1:53:18] don't think she's um that much involved. Um, especially if we could uh move

[1:53:24] forward. I think we're going to talk about in a close session the um the bids

[1:53:28] we received for the police station. if we can, you know, if you see something

[1:53:34] good in there and and just go back to them, ask, hey, if you can add on this,

[1:53:39] you know, will it throw a wrench into our plans? Um,

[1:53:43] honestly think that's the way to go. So, [gasps]

[1:53:48] um, I'm going go to Councilman Williams first and then you, Mr. Gardner.

[1:53:54] Councilman Williams, >> I'm glad you said that, Mr. man. Cuz I

[1:54:00] totally agree with you. Totally agree with you

[1:54:06] that you can add a floor on top of PlayStation

[1:54:11] and do the same business with the I agree with you. So got my vote.

[1:54:19] Okay.

[1:54:24] Um Mr. Gardner, I'm sorry. Yeah,

[1:54:29] » sure. And uh just to follow up on that, I I I think that um considering a new

[1:54:35] police station that at least has the capacity to be added on um at a at a

[1:54:41] future date or something makes a lot of sense for the uh the future city

[1:54:45] municipal building. Uh I wanted to be really clear that the city has not spent

[1:54:53] um 1.3 million on the elevator thus far. >> Yep. Um, and I I I I think um that might

[1:55:02] have been conveyed by other comments, but it has not um the the remaining

[1:55:08] funds to get the permits for the elevator

[1:55:12] um are probably in the $10,000

[1:55:17] range, I think. Um once those plans are permitted, the

[1:55:22] city can put them out to bid, the responses could come back and you

[1:55:30] could say, "Nope, not worth the money or yes, worth the money. No, no commitment

[1:55:36] required." And you can do it kind of whenever you want. You have plans that

[1:55:41] are that are approved. So, um I I think it makes sense to try to get

[1:55:48] those plans in hand approved and then that's a lowcost

[1:55:55] project completed and whether you decide to

[1:56:00] » uh to do it is another decision. >> Yeah.

[1:56:05] Yeah. No, I I I agree. Um, so, uh, it still sticks within and like

[1:56:14] you said, if council decided not to go with the idea, we'll still at least have

[1:56:19] those, um, permits in hand or plans in hand. Counciloman Cross,

[1:56:26] » thank you. And I do have concerns with that last comment because what Miss

[1:56:31] Felder said is you will never own her plans. So you will utilize her services

[1:56:38] no matter what contractor you get to build this project. So if you're going

[1:56:43] to do anything with it thus far, um I mean there's

[1:56:50] no issue with figuring out what it would cost us to

[1:56:56] look at what has already been proposed. And I think we've said this on many

[1:57:01] occasions. The newest thing on the ground shouldn't just be a police

[1:57:05] department. And we're sitting here, you know, refoundationing a building that

[1:57:09] we've just said had severe brownouts and needs electrical work. So, uh, at the

[1:57:15] end of the day, um, you're going to find some other things. Okay, these are

[1:57:20] aluminum windows, as she stated. You're going to possibly find some things that,

[1:57:25] you know, we don't want to say on this line right now. not want to jinx it, but

[1:57:30] scope creep scope creep is a real thing in refoundationing a building that's as

[1:57:38] seasoned as the city of Glennard Municipal Center is. So, it won't just

[1:57:44] be $10,000 in the permitting process. You're also going to have inspections.

[1:57:50] When those inspections are done, can anybody tell me the last time we had a

[1:57:54] complete inspection done on this building? We just talked about the air

[1:57:58] condition unit not even being worth being replaced or or or the the motor

[1:58:04] being replaced. So, this is where I'm saying it's not just $10,000. So, I

[1:58:10] don't want anybody out there in, you know, TV land to think, oh, this is just

[1:58:14] a low cost. No, there's an inspection process. This is a complex project and

[1:58:20] it's going to depend again on any type of renovation work that's required prior

[1:58:25] to any building codes that need to be updated, new zoning rules which we don't

[1:58:31] have an outline from Miss Felder on and any safety standards that are currently

[1:58:36] not in place based on the seasonness of this building. So all that's part of the

[1:58:43] permitting process from the county. It's not just, hey, we got some plans.

[1:58:48] Approve these. I wish it was that simple. I don't believe it is. Thank

[1:58:52] you. >> Okay.

[1:58:59] Uh, next up is the request for with pinrolls.

[1:59:09] » Yeah, >> council cross. Yep.

[1:59:11] » Thank you. So, I was looking at the design plan from Pimrose, and there is a

[1:59:16] slope that I believe flows dangerously towards the um church that's over there

[1:59:23] uh opposite um the Pimro's uh current uh building structures. So, as we're

[1:59:31] looking at the flow of water changing, uh we know that the water uh sealing for

[1:59:37] Glenn Arden has traditionally been a problem, particularly in those zones.

[1:59:41] Um, we just want to make sure that we're not going to cause those residents that

[1:59:46] are there additional problems. So, I would like to see Pimrose not just do an

[1:59:53] assessment of the land that they own, but a surrounding area assessment, uh,

[1:59:59] at least a structural assessment to make sure that their rerouting and their

[2:00:05] sloping does not cause issues to the current existing residents of Glenn

[2:00:11] Arden. So, if that's something that can be incorporated into the Pinrose plan,

[2:00:17] that would be greatly appreciated because that's a large um

[2:00:23] ditch back there. And when you start rerouting water, it's got to go

[2:00:27] somewhere. And what we don't want is more basement being flooded uh like

[2:00:32] Frost Community has had to deal with for well over, you know, 20 plus years.

[2:00:38] Thank you. Any

[2:00:47] other comments,

[2:00:51] questions

[2:00:56] or response? Bill, Mr. Gardner, >> fine. Um, Council Jones, do you want to

[2:01:03] get that question in first and then I can try to respond?

[2:01:07] Um, do you have a direct response to Council McCross first? I don't want

[2:01:12] » I I I not maybe not a direct response, but um

[2:01:18] I can speak to them about the plans that they proposed. Um, we may need to get

[2:01:24] them to present, but generally speaking, in redevelopment,

[2:01:30] the the storm has to be treated on site. And so, um, I can't

[2:01:39] I I don't think that the county would approve,

[2:01:44] uh, storm water plans that would allow the water from this development to

[2:01:51] negatively impact, uh, property off the development,

[2:01:58] but I think that might be better addressed by an engineer or I can I can

[2:02:02] get that answer. Yeah, thank you for getting the answer.

[2:02:08] Uh because if we didn't have the Frost community that's had to suffer for 20

[2:02:12] years already with this project that they've had to now come up with a PVC

[2:02:18] pipe workound because the county refused to rectify what was unfortunately caused

[2:02:24] by a sloping issue. And then so uh again um we may need to look at uh aqua

[2:02:34] planning when it comes down to our developments. You know to give the water

[2:02:38] somewhere to go. You need an aqua plan and um you know just saying that we're

[2:02:44] going to have a certain grade and a certain sloping. I just looked at it you

[2:02:47] know briefly and maybe it's time for us to take a walk around to see it. uh we

[2:02:54] cannot impact those citizens that are already over there in that church that's

[2:02:58] been there well over the years before they were even developing. So yes, I get

[2:03:03] it. You own the land, you do what you want [clears throat] because it's

[2:03:07] county, but we do have a good neighbor

[2:03:11] requirement to ensure that development does not cause issues for the

[2:03:16] pre-existing residents. Thank you. >> Thank you, Councilwoman Jones.

[2:03:25] I'm confused here. Uh theou that this uh that Pinrose is asking for now. This is

[2:03:30] for the new development that's coming up on the side of Eva. Is that E? Not Eva.

[2:03:35] What street is that? That's Evart. Right next to Bright Seat Liquor. This is on

[2:03:40] the Bright Seat Liquor side. Am I correct?

[2:03:43] » That's correct. Okay. >> And I think the church that Councilwoman

[2:03:46] Cross is talking about is over on the Hamlin Street side.

[2:03:50] » Am I correct? So, they've already developed that side.

[2:03:58] The Hamlin Street side has already been developed.

[2:04:02] So, uh I don't know. I'm not sure how that because of the Evart Street being

[2:04:08] developed, I'm not sure how that would impact the Hamlet Street side.

[2:04:18] » Thank you for that, Councilwoman Jones. I just want to make sure that the

[2:04:22] sloping and the grading does not cause issues for um anyone that is affiliated.

[2:04:30] And again, just because it's on that side, that is u again another side that

[2:04:37] consistently um you know, kind of gets dumped on, you

[2:04:41] know, the data center is going to impact that side. Um, so I just want us to be a

[2:04:46] good neighbor. Uh, because that is going to be in Glenn Arden's property. Uh,

[2:04:51] just want to make sure that we're a good neighbor no matter what side, but make

[2:04:55] sure particularly that we're not impacting folks that have had an

[2:04:59] existence prior to our development. That's all my question is. I've just

[2:05:04] never heard citizens have any complaints about water on that side of uh Hamlet

[2:05:09] Street, even after their town houses came, after Pinrose developed on that

[2:05:14] side there. I've never heard of any complaints. I'm not sure if city hall

[2:05:19] may have registered some complaints from citizens uh having any water issues uh

[2:05:25] [clears throat] during that development. And now that

[2:05:27] we're developing the EART side, um that's a whole different um area.

[2:05:37] Thank you.

[2:05:43] » Thank you, >> Mr. Gardner.

[2:05:47] » Uh yes. Would council uh want the developer to attend either the um

[2:05:54] meeting on the 21st or uh perhaps the public hearing to respond to questions

[2:06:00] and present information about this this phase of the project.

[2:06:11] » I would like a public hearing attendance if they are able to.

[2:06:20] Okay. >> I'll I'll reach out and and see if they

[2:06:23] can attend. [clears throat] >> All right.

[2:06:31] » Point of order. Uh Mayor Curtis. >> Yes, ma'am. Councilwoman Jones.

[2:06:35] » Um Mr. Gardner, wasn't thisou supposed to be uh done?

[2:06:43] How I mean what is the time timeline on thisou because we've we've discussed

[2:06:47] this before. I think we had to come to a decision. It went to the attorney. When

[2:06:52] are they looking for this time this uhou to be uh presented back to them?

[2:06:59] » They would like theou done um as soon as possible. They would love for it to be

[2:07:06] done in September. They um

[2:07:11] I I met with them um I I guess a few weeks ago and

[2:07:18] um I don't believe council has discussed this particular

[2:07:24] uhou but I I don't I don't know may maybe you have but I did send what they

[2:07:31] had drafted to our attorneys uh they did a lot of uh redline changes

[2:07:37] um sent it back to the develop ment team. I I haven't heard back from them.

[2:07:42] Um I did speak to the county and um the county staff who work with storm water

[2:07:49] management said that the type of structure that is being proposed is not

[2:07:55] particularly unique. uh they have no concerns about it uh working as designed

[2:08:02] and the purpose of the or the the requirement for theou is because it's

[2:08:07] within the city's right of way and the purpose of theou

[2:08:12] is to make it crystal clear that uh the responsibility for maintenance of the

[2:08:20] structure as well as the sidewalk is the responsibility of the HOA and not the

[2:08:27] And if they don't maintain it properly and the city has to, there's a process

[2:08:32] that the city can charge them for the work that the city's required to do.

[2:08:38] » Thank you. Then I would suggest that they come to the public hearing also.

[2:08:42] But yes, this has been presented to the council early on. I think Mr. C uh city

[2:08:49] manager Simpson was working on it at what time.

[2:08:53] » Okay. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Cross.

[2:08:59] » It's Curtis, but thank you.

[2:09:03] Um,

[2:09:08] uh, last one before we turn to close

[2:09:13] session. Oh, well, no, two more. Sorry. This is the CPJ

[2:09:20] appraisals and extension of agreement. Mr. Garter, could you uh explain that a

[2:09:27] little bit more, please? >> Uh yes. Uh the city has kind of a master

[2:09:32] agreement with CPJ that um allows the city to use it for a

[2:09:39] pretty wide range of of engineering, building construction, appraisal,

[2:09:45] uh types of of work. And uh that agreement was a three-year agreement I

[2:09:54] believe and it expired at the end of June and they are interested in um

[2:10:01] extending the agreement for you know one or more years. Um, so that's what part

[2:10:08] of that is about and and I would I would say that um

[2:10:14] they do have the capacity to do a building assessment. Uh they recently

[2:10:20] completed a building assessment of the Green Belt Community Center. I' I've

[2:10:25] reached out to Green Belt staff to get information about how that process went

[2:10:29] for them. Uh but that is also a kind of a a building that um uh has aged and

[2:10:37] needed um a lot of work and CPJ I believe um did the assessment and then

[2:10:45] uh solicited bids from the trades that were necessary and was the project

[2:10:50] manager to make sure the work was done as it was designed to be done. So that's

[2:10:56] part of that item. The other part is the appraisals that council approved for CPJ

[2:11:03] to do. Um I'm I was told that uh those appraisals should be ready for council

[2:11:11] review midepptember. So hopefully prior to your meeting on

[2:11:15] the 21st. Um, and I I did meet with um the resident who's interested in

[2:11:22] acquiring um a couple of the city parcels that are

[2:11:27] adjacent to property that he owns and uh indicated that the the appraisals

[2:11:34] hopefully will be ready for council review in midepptember

[2:11:38] and that of course you would see them first and then we decide what to do.

[2:11:48] Okay. All right.

[2:11:57] » Yeah. Um the city's been dealing with CBJ CPJ for

[2:12:02] quite a while and um they're just now coming with

[2:12:07] those appraisals. Uh we asked for those I think last year.

[2:12:13] It's they're expensive and they they charge a lot. That's that's my thought,

[2:12:19] you know. Um

[2:12:25] just a very quick response. Um they um they didn't start on this project as

[2:12:33] soon as uh council may have expected because uh we did not uh execute the

[2:12:40] contract. um that I think got kind of dropped

[2:12:44] between transitions. Um and um the contract was executed

[2:12:52] probably in um mid mid to late June. >> So clarity,

[2:13:00] » pardon, >> clarity.

[2:13:02] Everything we ask them to do requires a contract. There's no like blanket

[2:13:07] contract that says, "Okay, we need this is what we've contracted you to do." Is

[2:13:12] that what they're trying to put together now?

[2:13:16] » Um, no. No, ma'am. They um they had, let's see, the city had

[2:13:22] approved a resolution authorizing them to do the work. Um, then a contract

[2:13:30] was developed. Uh it went past the city attorney for the city attorney's

[2:13:36] approval. Um the proposal was was modified slightly um and the price was

[2:13:45] lowered and

[2:13:48] then the contract was executed for the appraisal of

[2:13:55] uh properties in two sites, >> right? property the city owns on MLK and

[2:14:01] the property the city owns um

[2:14:05] I'm forgetting the street >> Mlan.

[2:14:08] » Okay. And there are other uh sites that the city may wish to have an appraisal

[2:14:13] done but that wasn't part of this particular contract.

[2:14:17] » Right. So, okay. So, now I get it. It's kind of like they we do them the with

[2:14:21] this peace meal work. They do this piece and then they do that piece, then they

[2:14:25] do this piece and then they do that. Okay. But I still think that they're

[2:14:28] kind of expensive and slow. But that's my opinion. Thank you, Mayor Mayor

[2:14:33] Curtis.

[2:14:36] » Thank you, Councilwoman Jones. Any other comments on this topic?

[2:14:43] » Okay, final one before we adjourn to close session is the approval of gold

[2:14:48] room promotions for fall. Um,

[2:14:54] council hopefully had those documents. Uh, are there any questions or or

[2:15:00] comments as relates to the pro promotional

[2:15:05] um that

[2:15:10] Mrs. Bun wants to do for the gold room to attract more business for the fall.

[2:15:19] Councilwoman Cross. >> Yeah, thank you. I saw the 10% discount

[2:15:24] for things uh forgive me contract secured through September. Is it just

[2:15:29] through September? Are we going to run that um through, you know, say up to

[2:15:34] November sometime? September is halfway gone. [laughter]

[2:15:40] there's barely going to be enough knowledge, you know, in the community to

[2:15:43] get people to come in and maybe give us some time to advertise that and maybe

[2:15:48] extend that to say mid October uh would be the final to try and pull the

[2:15:54] business. But I do like the number out there for the repass so people

[2:15:58] appreciate um and I think that is a solid opportunity particularly for uh

[2:16:03] folks that are going through a traumatic time to make that proposal. Thank you.

[2:16:08] » Okay. Um, Mr. Gardner, do did you know the the timetable that Councilwoman

[2:16:14] Cross was discussing? You on mute.

[2:16:23] » Thank you. Sorry. Um, Miss Bun is interested in in getting authorization

[2:16:30] to have uh a series of quarterly promotions. So, um the the the fire was

[2:16:37] kind of an example, but she would would like uh council to authorize her to uh

[2:16:45] do similar kinds of promotions um based on uh either different uh

[2:16:52] seasons or different offerings that she wouldn't have to come back uh

[2:16:59] you know, four times a year for council approval. Um,

[2:17:05] did that answer the the question? >> So, she wants a blanket approval and

[2:17:12] this was just a sample to say what could what the possibilities could be.

[2:17:18] » Yes. And and a blanket approval that um I I would approve as well um and would

[2:17:25] be in line with the kinds of specials that she's offered here. So um it it

[2:17:31] would be a program um it would be administered as a program

[2:17:38] would not be individual ad hoc

[2:17:47] and we would just update in um the monthly reporting from the gold room and

[2:17:55] um matched with the city manager's report as well prior too.

[2:18:00] » Yes, you would be informed of of these incentive programs for sure.

[2:18:10] » All right, Council Jones. >> Thank you, Mayor Cross. I mean, Mayor

[2:18:15] Curtis. Um, I'm looking at this last uh uh sentence in the what what she's

[2:18:22] proposed and it says, "In addition to these promotions, I request that the

[2:18:26] council approve offering team members the same discount rate as Glenn Arden

[2:18:31] residents." Team members meaning the entire employee staff for the city of

[2:18:36] Glenn Arden or just the team members of her staff? No, I I believe that would be

[2:18:42] uh city staff, city employees. >> Okay. So, uh and and then with the other

[2:18:48] programs, as long as they fall under the guidelines that the go room has been has

[2:18:52] already been established, uh they would fall under those.

[2:19:00] » Uh yes, in terms of >> the established guidelines of the goal.

[2:19:05] » That's correct. >> All right. Thank you for that

[2:19:08] clarification.

[2:19:11] Thank you. Uh, Councilman Williams, >> I would just move that this is something

[2:19:18] that the city manager should be handling and he could come back to us, tell us

[2:19:24] what he want to do and we just, you know, not micromanage and just say,

[2:19:30] "Hey, you know, it's we want to make money." So they don't have a free hand

[2:19:36] of doing it and if we wind up losing money then we come and address it. Uh

[2:19:42] but that's my opinion about this. So of course I would say my approval of this.

[2:19:48] Thank you. >> So are you making a motion or that we do

[2:19:54] that? Could I say >> I don't know if this a proper venue

[2:19:58] » to do it? >> Yep. You're right.

[2:20:01] » Yeah. We can do it at the meeting, but

[2:20:07] » it don't have to be a resolution, but as a public meeting, we can do it.

[2:20:11] » Yep. Yep. Okay. Well, on at the regular session, I agree. So, you'll have my

[2:20:17] second uh Councilwoman

[2:20:21] Cross. Thank you. Uh so no, I'm not in

[2:20:25] agreement with that uh last statement uh that Councilwoman Jones highlighted was

[2:20:30] a part of the proposal that the city employees which uh Mr.

[2:20:38] Gardner, what's the number now? The total number

[2:20:42] » I I believe we are authorized between 40 and 43 staff. Mhm. So, not that

[2:20:50] everybody will have a party on the same day, but the the compliments of the city

[2:20:56] of Glennard residents having a discount is not the same as people getting paid

[2:21:02] to work here. Uh the discount is because the events and the programs that happen

[2:21:10] here are you know one impede the citizens two it is a benefit for those

[2:21:19] who pay taxes here and who live here so that we will have a place. So I disagree

[2:21:28] with that part. Um this isn't a free-for-all. This is a economic

[2:21:35] business but because the business is impeding the residents and it is a nice

[2:21:42] for the residents to have an opportunity for them to do birthday parties and

[2:21:47] different types of things. That's why they are afforded that discount because

[2:21:51] they pay taxes in the city of Glenn Arten. Uh many of our employees out of

[2:21:56] the 40 including yourself, Mr. Gardner, you don't live here. So you're getting

[2:22:01] benefits from people who are paying tax money to live here. That's why they get

[2:22:10] the discount. Um, so I just want to make sure we clarify that because I am not in

[2:22:16] agreement with that as a resident of Glenn Arden that someone who doesn't pay

[2:22:20] taxes here doesn't even really have to shop here because they live in a new

[2:22:24] area puts nothing back into the grounds but they take from it. Thank you.

[2:22:37] » Thank you, Councilman Cross. Um that's I think an interesting debate. Um

[2:22:44] I understand where Council Cross is coming from. Uh I would

[2:22:50] offer uh contrary opinion

[2:22:55] that I I agree that staff do not pay taxes here. However, staff is intricral

[2:23:03] part in how the city operates. Um, and if it wasn't for staff, then citizens

[2:23:10] couldn't have some of the things that we have now. Um, uh, that's not to say that

[2:23:15] I agree or disagree with with Councilwoman Cross. uh just offering

[2:23:23] uh a different perspective in a sense that um

[2:23:29] I do value what the the uh staff brings to the city uh and in in my opinion view

[2:23:38] them as extension of the city uh whether they live here or not. Um that the work

[2:23:43] that they do uh benefits us greatly. Uh, and so

[2:23:50] as a level of appreciation, I may be inclined to include them as part of the

[2:23:56] family. Um, so um,

[2:24:02] you know, that is separate from what Councilman Williams was offering, uh,

[2:24:08] and what I plan on seconding. Uh, but that, you know, is an interesting

[2:24:13] discussion. Um, all right. Uh oh, Councilman Cross,

[2:24:19] I gave you the last comment before we move on.

[2:24:22] » No, thank you for that. And and again, I I value the staff as well, but I do note

[2:24:28] that they get um a nice paycheck that has now been put on the proper pay scale

[2:24:35] and is competitive as well as you know, annual bonuses. Um you know, that

[2:24:42] appropriately accommodate them uh to show our appreciation for them. Um and

[2:24:48] also now with a you know a retirement plan in place you know we are taking a

[2:24:55] lot out of the budget already and making sure that we show our love and

[2:25:01] appreciation. that go room is our business and our enterprise. And um by

[2:25:07] nature of you being employed here does not then warrant you to have equal

[2:25:13] standing with people who are living here who have chosen Glenn Art as their home

[2:25:19] of residence. >> That already come

[2:25:26] apologies. All right.

[2:25:34] With that, I believe that is the final

[2:25:41] topic for our open session uh in our close session. Uh we plan on having uh

[2:25:47] we will be discussing the uh contract extension with GCI uh which is allowable

[2:25:54] an allowable topic in a close session uh and the um

[2:26:01] new police station project as it relates to the closed u bids that were received.

[2:26:07] Uh that is another allowable topic that we can discuss in close session. So with

[2:26:14] that, um again, the council reserves the right to go into close session anytime

[2:26:18] during a public meeting. Uh I just announced why we will go into close

[2:26:23] session to discuss those two topics and ask for uh and motion that we go into

[2:26:29] close session. Is there a second? >> So move and second.

[2:26:35] » Okay. Any discussion?

[2:26:39] Okay. Council clerk, could you do the vote for a journey to close session,

[2:26:44] please?

[2:26:48] » I'm sorry.

[2:26:53] » You'll just do a roll call of >> I'm sorry. [laughter] My apologies.

[2:26:58] » No worries. >> Council Councilwoman Cross.

[2:27:00] » Yes.

[2:27:05] » Councilwoman Jones. >> Yes.

[2:27:10] Councilman Williams.

[2:27:19] Councilman Williams.

[2:27:23] He >> I said yes.

[2:27:25] » Oh, okay. You were on mute. >> Mayor Pro Tim Ferguson.

[2:27:30] » Yes. >> Mayor Curtis.

[2:27:33] » And I'm a yes. >> Okay.

[2:27:36] » All right. Thank you. So, citizens, we are adjourning to close session. We do

[2:27:41] not plan to return to open session. Our next meeting will be a public hearing

[2:27:47] that'll be held on >> September 15th.

[2:27:53] » Oh, thank you. I'm looking at the wrong month. September 15th at 700 p.m. Um,

[2:28:01] the open portion of this meeting is now closed.

City of Glenarden 8 September 2026 Work Session

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