[0:00] Call to order the meeting of September 9th, Board of Public Safety meeting. We

[0:04] have a quorum. And uh the first item is public comment.

[0:09] I did invite um Fred, who is over here, to come and and

[0:14] and touch base with you. Some of you may know that we started the LEAD program in

[0:19] Plattsburgh, the Law Enforcement Assisted Diversion program. We've gotten

[0:24] a grant from Warren County. Um Plattsburgh CSD also got a grant. Are

[0:30] you familiar with what I'm talking about, Fred?

[0:33] All right. A little bit, not really.

[0:35] » Very little. >> Okay.

[0:36] All right. So, um I'll let Fred tell you some more too,

[0:41] but just to give you a a little background. So,

[0:44] um this was something the city had been looking into actually for a number of

[0:47] years. As a councilperson, I had been in meetings with then Mayor Hall about it.

[0:53] Um but we finally kind of brought it forward last year. And what it is is for

[0:59] people who are um in

[1:02] kind of repeat contact um with police, but they're not dangerous. So, they

[1:08] their problems are more, you know, um poverty, substance, um

[1:14] mental health, things like that. It's an opportunity to uh link them with a case

[1:20] manager who will help them along that path rather than put them further into

[1:24] the uh criminal system. So, we sought funding from Warren County. We received

[1:30] a grant um and Plattsburgh CSD also received a grant to do the case

[1:35] management. And we've been working in the last few months to get that program

[1:39] up and running. And Fred is our coordinator. So, I invited him to just

[1:43] tell you a little bit about how it's going to go. Do you want to come up

[1:47] and go to the podium?

[1:50] » Good morning, sir. It's a front desk of the public service

[1:54] assistant.

[2:00] » Well, I'm Fred Battle. I'm the support manager at the Desert Coverage Center on

[2:04] 370 Church. And I'm also

[2:08] program manager. My previous career, I did diversion

[2:14] with Medicare as a problem shooting specialist. We do

[2:19] see unnecessary utilization with EDs. And I did that

[2:24] for 15 years in three states. I make no coalitions, work with hospitals, nursing

[2:31] homes, home health and other providers to do

[2:36] essentially what we're trying to do here, which is reduce utilization that's

[2:40] not needed. In this case, it would be utilization of law enforcement

[2:46] that's being utilized for individuals in the community with 12 level businesses

[2:51] that have needs as a mayor stated.

[2:55] Uh social determinant health needs, poverty,

[3:00] literacy, mental health, and substance use. And as

[3:05] a result of their situation, law enforcement has interactions with

[3:10] them.

[3:13] More likely than you know, social services and other

[3:17] departments that could that are being served doing that.

[3:20] And we is all over the country.

[3:26] Um they have a sister agency, but I shouldn't say

[3:31] sister. The Albany team has been very successful for I think 10 years.

[3:36] And Schenectady's trying to do the same

[3:39] thing. And

[3:41] in the past 6 months, we've gotten quite a few referrals.

[3:45] We're throwing them over to the uh police department. So, we work with

[3:49] them. And then the remainder of them justice

[3:52] related um that could be the uh probation

[3:56] treatment court, um the misdemeanor court, and we've

[4:00] notified them of the program, and that they're both in the Glens Falls area for

[4:04] anybody that has a connection to the Glens Falls area that's in trouble with

[4:09] justice related issues, and that could benefit from extensive case management.

[4:15] So, right now we're in the process of we have um interim policies developed in an

[4:21] operational workgroup, but now we're going to go through more formalized

[4:25] policies with policy workgroup, um which consists of various departments

[4:30] throughout the county, the DA, um police chief, um

[4:35] mayor, and um with that we're going to have um

[4:40] and then we're going to address the quick referrals, and the referrals are

[4:44] social referrals, um community referrals, and um law

[4:49] enforcement referrals. And at this point, we're just focusing

[4:54] on social and community referrals, and we still have to work out the

[4:59] differences with the DA uh and the community on what's best for

[5:03] the law enforcement referrals. And uh a lot of these individuals

[5:09] are homeless, um semi-homeless, substance use, mental health, um and

[5:15] they're cycling a lot with the interactions with law enforcement and

[5:19] the emergency department, and they could benefit from additional hands

[5:24] trying to help them out. And that's what this program's all about.

[5:29] » Yes, sir. Does anyone have any questions?

[5:34] » I think it's a great program for the this community and the community at

[5:39] large in Glens Falls, um because what we see is um a handful of high utilizers um

[5:47] that are cycling in and out of the system. And we want to change that. So,

[5:53] this intervention will help and make your life safer. And this is the safer

[5:59] and uh the people that want to get back to

[6:02] being the participants. And that's why I think it's a great program. If you have

[6:06] any questions, you can let me know. And >> How How's it going to be in for the

[6:09] program? Will you refer them or will you go in?

[6:11] » Mhm. Right now, um, police officers sir, are

[6:15] the uh police social worker is informed by a police officer of a individual um,

[6:21] that could benefit from this. And then she contacts us and case management and

[6:26] then we send out a referral law. Um, we would like to expand that.

[6:31] I expanded that to um

[6:35] probation, uh drug court, treatment court. And if

[6:38] they can identify that is low-level crimes, repeat offenders, um that is

[6:45] connected with the low-level community somehow, uh that would be uh

[6:49] interesting. And I think

[6:53] almost 40% or more of the uh offense, like the low-level

[6:59] misdemeanors, is um repeat offenders. They are doing

[7:04] everything over and over again. That's about an estimate, but close to

[7:09] half or some of them have uh arrests on a calendar year.

[7:13] So, these individuals, thankfully, have other issues that need to be addressed.

[7:19] And you know, they're homeless or they're living in a hotel or large.

[7:23] Maybe they don't have a place to go and they're just on the street. So,

[7:28] this program, I think, is going to be great. And

[7:30] once the policy group gets together, we can formalize some of the referral

[7:35] processes and then just roll with it from there.

[7:41] » Do you have any questions for me? >> No, thank you. I just wanted to hear a

[7:43] little more about everything. Thank you for coming.

[7:46] » And then thank you. I can leave my business card if you have

[7:49] any further questions. And then you got >> Thank you. Thank you.

[7:53] » Thank you. >> I would appreciate that.

[7:57] » Okay. >> Okay.

[8:01] Is Is there any other public comment? Anyone else from the public?

[8:04] » Yes, we have something for the schools. I'm the school liaison.

[8:14] Hello. Hi everyone.

[8:18] Okay. Uh so my name is Boris Schwartz. I am the here representing the West Falls

[8:23] City School District. I am the head of security for the school district and was

[8:27] asked to come by Dr. Engelwood to talk about crosswalks or more specifically

[8:32] the lack thereof, specifically in front of the middle school on

[8:36] Quail Street. Um I started uh working for the middle

[8:41] school last uh toward the end of the last years and was asked uh up front to

[8:48] take a look at how the kids, the students, and the faculty and staff get

[8:52] in the building and make sure that that's the safest way to get in possible

[8:56] and immediately identified that there are no crosswalks in front of the middle

[9:00] school and the process for drop-off in the morning is a little chaotic. It's a

[9:05] walking district, so most of our children are delivered by their parents

[9:09] at the middle. And the cars drop-off on both the east and west side of Quail

[9:14] Street and the kids jump across the street anywhere they cuz

[9:18] right now there is no designated area for them to actually go to.

[9:22] On high school side, uh there are two on Quail, one on Sherwood.

[9:28] Um so there's easily identifiable passage for the students, but nothing on

[9:33] the middle school side. So we were looking at um

[9:36] the pictures that Dr. Engelwood took, um specifically looking for I'm sorry,

[9:40] I'm on a conference call right now. Um

[9:43] at least one crosswalk by our We so we have a teacher's parking lot on the

[9:49] north side of the building. Uh teachers all park there. There's one

[9:53] way in, one way out. Um specifically we're looking for a

[9:56] crosswalk by that exit to cross the way street. Uh which is really close to our

[10:02] front entrance of the building. And then maybe another one down by

[10:05] Shippy Street. There's also already one on Shippy

[10:09] uh south of Conklin. But if we had another one

[10:13] north of Shippy on Conklin, that would be directly into our secondary entrance

[10:18] location. Um so uh we believe we should start here

[10:23] with what both city can make a presentation to talk to the normal

[10:26] Outback and uh You have any cross streets I can use?

[10:31] I I spend every morning in the road with another security guard

[10:36] helping me get the kids get across the street.

[10:39] Helping uh teachers get into that parking lot, trying to put them

[10:43] some even road. Uh getting into an accident. So, I've

[10:46] got a lot of experience in the last 3 months and I've started with smile cuz

[10:50] she gives you a little bit of a hard time to steal the building. But you

[10:53] know, I just think a couple of crosswalks would go a long way along

[10:57] with the proper signage, communication with parents, communication with the

[11:00] kids. It'd go a long way and it'd make it a much safer

[11:04] environment for these kids to cross the street.

[11:06] » Okay. I think you should tell me >> Tell me

[11:09] » that that was the main recommendation but the side to where we said go in here

[11:15] and get separated into third side. Um The other side

[11:18] » If I may jump in, recommendation wise, there are there are site complications

[11:23] but I agree wholeheartedly that crosswalks are warranted there.

[11:28] » Right. >> Where to put them becomes a different

[11:31] question in your opinion. Exactly. We've got to

[11:35] new infrastructure on the east side of the road. We've got brand new curbs.

[11:39] You've got a sidewalk that getting ADA accessible ramp up to the sidewalk very

[11:45] challenging. We have new street trees. Something is going to be disturbed no

[11:50] matter what the specific location is chosen. Again, that's not going to get a

[11:54] lot of support where the classes really

[11:58] warranted where the city has received the federal grant to improve the two

[12:03] crosswalks that we've got. I mean they go from Chippewa to Notre Dame High

[12:07] School. We recognize that

[12:11] those are important. But again, where exactly that should land unfortunately

[12:16] becomes an engineering decision more than they just put some stripes on the

[12:20] road. They said, "Hey, I'll let you do all that work in that. We're going to

[12:24] put some section. I mean, what do they

[12:27] What are they blind? I'm getting a little frustrated.

[12:34] What Some things are so obvious and you can't take care of.

[12:39] School opens tomorrow. Well,

[12:42] we have to deal with this situation after it was so The process is just uh

[12:47] There was a study done about the traffic patterns at the school

[12:52] and and and all of that. So,

[12:55] I'm not sure why this particular part of it was not evaluated before when the

[12:59] study was done, but um if you all think that it's a valid

[13:04] request, then I guess should we be speaking with Jeremy

[13:08] engineer and hopefully Well, so we can have a conversation have

[13:12] the conversation and continue on with this.

[13:14] Since I joined the department, uh Jeremy's a leader of this team.

[13:19] construction as well. >> And you do you have

[13:21] » I don't think. >> Do you have anybody

[13:23] » I'll see if we can do that. I'm going to look back at him.

[13:26] » I don't think so. I I can ask him to follow up. Do you want to try to

[13:30] coordinate with him and see what he learns? I don't know. I know you were

[13:33] involved. >> I did and I spoke with him about the

[13:35] situation. >> Okay.

[13:36] Oh, and what did you learn? >> Uh

[13:39] very similar to what I just shared. >> Okay.

[13:42] » Unfortunately not as much as I'd like to say but I can't

[13:45] get to say uh but again

[13:48] no lack of support from the council. >> Okay.

[13:51] All right, so let us do a little bit of research.

[13:53] » And we have no illusion that there's a lot of that goes into cuz we took a look

[13:57] at it and um we knew

[13:59] » Yeah. >> that there was going to be a problem

[14:01] because of the brand new school. >> Right.

[14:03] » We bring it to their attention but one of the counties permits you can't you

[14:06] just face it there was a chance that you can't get a permit for it.

[14:09] » Right. Thank you so much for letting me just cuz I've dealt with that

[14:12] area and I've seen it many times. Have they considered at least for the

[14:17] mornings trying to I know it would be a nightmare but

[14:20] trying to make that all one line cuz if I mean I think that you can paint 100

[14:24] crosswalks those kids are going to get out wherever their parents stop and

[14:27] they're going to go across the street. >> If I'm not mistaken that was a thought.

[14:31] When we talked it I mean that

[14:33] » I don't mean like permanently but I mean more of those at least drop-off. I mean

[14:37] pick-up's probably different but at least at drop-off cuz

[14:40] there's again from what I've seen you can paint every crosswalk you want

[14:44] they're going to get out wherever their parents want to get out like and they're

[14:46] going to cross right in front of the doctors. I mean you can paint the whole

[14:49] road. I just I don't I just I've seen it many over the last 3 years I mean

[14:53] probably too often but I've seen it. >> I don't know. I I I don't I honestly

[14:57] don't know. >> know what I mean I just mean if there's

[14:58] any way that we could do that. >> Well we we wouldn't we wouldn't be able

[15:01] to do that in all that traffic that would be something the city would have

[15:04] to No it was a city recommendation. >> I don't know. Do I study

[15:09] Yeah. I mean that would make >> I saw the study.

[15:11] » I mean that >> Mixed results on that for sure but not

[15:16] not overwhelmingly against the concept but we decided to

[15:21] The school district decided to try and nibble away at some of the smaller

[15:25] capital ideas and see if that helped before jumping into that concept.

[15:29] » Are you in a position where you can initiate this investigation through the

[15:34] council and city? >> Um

[15:37] The city engineer is still working on the layout of the fire station thing.

[15:40] It'll probably be better >> I'll talk to Jay about it. Hopefully.

[15:46] Thank you for being proactive. Thank you.

[15:47] » Thanks very much. >> Nice to meet you.

[15:50] » I did the same to you both.

[15:54] » Are there any other public comments?

[15:58] All right. Seeing none, we will move on to our consent agenda.

[16:03] Are there any items that you would like us to pull for discussion?

[16:08] » You have 211, please. And 213.

[16:12] On the South Street fire station. >> Okay.

[16:14] » And then you can submit them to the building and fire street

[16:19] department. And the issue here

[16:30] is the final plan being accepted.

[16:38] » Okay. Um

[16:43] Steve, I think you were working with them on on this site.

[16:46] » Yeah, I did. >> Or Amy?

[16:48] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[16:50] » She submitted what she thought was the correct uh building and fire street

[16:55] plan. Uh this is for the new building on the corner of South Street.

[16:59] Uh so it is uh

[17:02] It did mean the city and the building. Uh is that what we could tell them about

[17:07] when we were doing the inspection?

[17:11] I'm sorry. The inspection you said >> Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were asking

[17:16] a question, but it wasn't a quick question.

[17:19] » It wasn't. >> Oh,

[17:21] I was just wondering if the reason you're objecting to it is because they

[17:26] didn't name the city as a disjoined insurer.

[17:30] » They did not. >> Yeah, so she's a brand new business

[17:33] owner, and that was her insurance company's advice was to

[17:38] to you know, do the figure out the insurance. So, we will correct that, but

[17:44] you know, she's listening to her insurance agent.

[17:47] That insures it. So, this is the first time I've dealt with

[17:51] her. She's having an event on South Street closing a road,

[17:56] and she is very familiar with the process, but obviously

[18:01] she needs to educate her insurance provider as well.

[18:06] » Okay, so what's the date of the event? 10/17?

[18:11] » 14th. >> Is this information

[18:15] » 14th is the next meeting. Yes. >> Okay.

[18:19] » I would like to say something. >> You can call

[18:22] » I'll >> I'll call the insurance agency.

[18:25] Do this. >> So, you can correct it.

[18:27] » I will I'll put it on the agenda for the 15th.

[18:32] » What's your question, Henry? >> Sorry. I have

[18:35] two I have two in my hand that are different.

[18:39] I I have one that's for the same event.

[18:43] It's for the same day. And I have like one that does have a

[18:48] certificate of liability insurance. >> Right.

[18:52] But it doesn't name our organization insured.

[18:54] » And she took a picture of both of them. Um

[18:58] » And so, and so somebody gets hurt there, if you see it. And and we have no

[19:03] protection from their insurance if they get run over by you.

[19:07] » Right.

[19:10] » It's also on this form. I had pointed this out offline speedy. I mean you have

[19:15] a diagram showing a closure going to Elm Street.

[19:20] » The the resolution >> resolution change.

[19:23] » It's going to Lexington.

[19:26] » Okay.

[19:37] » The resolution brief is closing at 3:00 p.m.

[19:40] » 5 minutes. Obviously, only closing at 3:00 p.m. on Saturday.

[19:43] » Should I ask the city for Elm Street? >> South Street between South Street

[19:47] between the lane and parking is on the 6th. So, you guys should be

[19:51] » Elm Street. >> It should be fine.

[19:53] » Please don't. >> Elm Street and we have only and online

[19:56] this Friday and Monday. >> It says

[20:00] South Street between Elm and South Lane on

[20:04] » Yeah. >> Right now, we're

[20:07] » We can amend the resolution. So, is your preference to

[20:12] uh approve the condition on the condition on the change but you're

[20:16] saying it's going to be 4 Okay. All right.

[20:19] » It's for all services. >> Yeah.

[20:20] » It's not all services in English. >> We've got one more meeting for the next

[20:24] Saturday.

[20:28] » Okay. >> So, the

[20:30] the mechanics would be to call real world needs to change speak of the way

[20:33] the resolution speak of the way the resolution you guys

[20:37] can get this right so you can >> I think so. So, when was it approved on

[20:41] this? Uh the event is not allowed alcohol

[20:47] » You hear me? >> This event, is it allowed alcohol?

[20:50] » Uh open container. >> Right. So, this has to go in front of

[20:53] council. So, this goes to the October meeting. That's when you can work on the

[20:57] brackets. So, when should we say? Okay. Well, it sounds like we're willing

[21:01] to um like make a motion to approve the meeting.

[21:06] » I just sent uh the uh business owner an email to to um

[21:12] make sure that she understands the process.

[21:14] » Okay. So, we'll make a motion. Someone needs to make a motion to approve this

[21:18] event uh with the amended language between South Street South between Palm

[21:24] and School upon the condition of the city's annual

[21:28] designation. >> I'll move it.

[21:31] » Okay. Second. All in favor?

[21:33] » Aye. >> Any opposed?

[21:36] Okay. That motion carries. Is there anything

[21:38] else anyone would like to pull for discussion?

[21:45] If not, would someone like to make a motion to approve the rest of the

[21:49] consent agenda? >> I'll move

[21:51] » Second. >> All in favor?

[21:54] » Aye. >> Any opposed?

[21:56] Okay. That is approved.

[22:00] Um Okay. On the regular agenda, there's one

[22:05] resolution um and this was something that uh Commissioner Quincy requested.

[22:11] Do you want to speak to this? >> Yes.

[22:13] » Okay. >> I had the opportunity to tour the police

[22:16] department the other day and then followed with the fire department and

[22:21] looked at the um Facebook page today and I

[22:25] do anything to keep that Um I think we need a resolution for this

[22:29] study. Honestly, I think so feasibility study and that's what this resolution is

[22:34] about. Um we are overseeing the police department

[22:38] and the fire department. Um the conditions are

[22:43] falling physically. I was thinking after decades.

[22:48] Uh so, I'm fully in support of feasibility study and that's why I

[22:51] proposed this resolution.

[22:55] » Any questions or discussion on this? So, there is a feasibility study already

[23:02] being done, right?

[23:03] » Yes, sir. Is this just in support of that? It's in

[23:07] support of that. >> He was authorized to make it 4-way but

[23:11] the board supports these efforts. >> Yes, and the attorney also will

[23:14] understand that we have been informed that we are supporting it.

[23:18] Do I hear a second? Okay. >> All right, so would you like to move

[23:22] that resolution? >> I move the resolution.

[23:24] » Okay. >> I'll second it.

[23:27] » All in favor? Any opposed?

[23:30] Okay, motion is carried. All right, let's see. We'll go to old

[23:36] business. Looks like we have some board member

[23:40] reports. >> Yeah, we I just asked a few people to

[23:46] speak on it and the ideal is the board of supervisors and peace love and peace

[23:51] love and peace love and peace.

[23:58] Um last meeting we had discussed um

[24:03] a few things. There was speed limit signs on South Street, which

[24:10] are already up. I put one on each end. So, where you come out of 9th Street

[24:15] there's a 30 mph sign there and then there's one just after Murray Street

[24:19] going out in that way. The 20 mph sign that you asked for on

[24:23] Bush Street, um I've ordered it. So, as soon as it comes in

[24:28] I'll I'll get that up. Um the crosswalk that I already put up

[24:31] I already painted it. Um the stop sign, I don't know if you

[24:35] want me to put that up but I do have the stop sign for it. I contacted one

[24:39] county, they don't do that.

[24:43] And there was also somebody that mentioned something about crosswalks on

[24:48] Hudson Avenue by the hospital.

[24:52] I have locations down. So, if you want me to put up signs, I have spots all set

[24:58] up. That's all I have to do is put a sign up.

[25:00] Okay. You guys want them?

[25:02] » Besides being pedestrian crossing here >> So, at the intersection of school and

[25:09] Hudson Avenue, I'm going to put one before the crosswalk on both sides with

[25:14] the arrows pointing down and one facing the other side coming into the city.

[25:19] So, that's all set to go. So, if you guys want me to do that, I'll be glad

[25:22] to. I'll start putting up signs.

[25:25] » Okay. >> What are those signs?

[25:27] » Okay. >> That's all I have. Thank you.

[25:29] » Thank you. I appreciate it. >> You're welcome. I appreciate it.

[25:32] » Stop signs >> The board really appreciates it.

[25:35] » The neighbors The neighbors are very excited to see that.

[25:38] » Yeah, as soon as you let me know, I'll put that stop sign up at the entrance to

[25:42] the park. Is that

[25:44] » It works. >> We're waiting to see what the

[25:46] » Okay. >> what the professional recommendations

[25:48] are for that crosswalk. >> Okay.

[25:50] » Thanks. >> Yep.

[25:53] » Thank you. Lawrence and Ridge Street intersection.

[25:57] » Yeah, this is me. Um So,

[26:01] » your city engineer Jeremy Stahle has taken some time to make contact with a

[26:04] couple of professional transportation operations engineers and get some

[26:08] recommendations on what could happen with the signal that is controlled by

[26:13] the fire department. >> I heard it was

[26:16] » I saw a range of opinions and options, and obviously we don't want to sink a

[26:21] tremendous amount of resources into a signal that may not be necessary should

[26:25] the emergency center come to be. >> Uh

[26:28] » but the short answer is yes, you can put no turn on red signs to complement those

[26:34] signals. There's nothing in the manual of uniform traffic control devices that

[26:38] would prohibit that. There's a recognition that they may not be super

[26:43] effective in that, you know, I experienced this the other day on

[26:46] Lexington and Ridge. I got behind a car that was making a right turn from

[26:50] Lexington and Ridge, but there's a no on red sign and flashing red signal and

[26:55] that person was paralyzed. >> But I guess not moving through the

[26:58] intersection is better than breaching the intent of traffic control. So again,

[27:04] the request I believe from Captain Orbech

[27:07] » Yeah. >> there's nothing to review it.

[27:11] » Okay. >> You can do it.

[27:12] » Okay. >> And that light actually is a full three

[27:15] light traffic light it's not just a a single

[27:18] light. >> Right, which is a problem in and of

[27:20] itself. Apparently it's non-compliant was the phrase that I recall being

[27:25] as you're not supposed to have a flashing

[27:29] single signal in the one direction and the three color in the other direction.

[27:33] It should be one or the other if all on all approaches but probably not worth

[27:38] being >> And realistically and realistically even

[27:40] if the public safety center goes through that

[27:44] that will still be needed at that intersection for

[27:47] » Yeah, one of the concept one of the concepts we saw suggested

[27:53] doing away with the traffic control on Lawrence and May and if the signal was

[27:57] ideally placed which was adjacent to the corner where the firehouse is now.

[28:02] That actually theoretically works better but again

[28:05] traffic signals are costly and we probably don't want to get into that. So

[28:09] the short-term solution of no turn on red probably is supported.

[28:13] » Okay. >> Um I have something else. Not not

[28:17] regarding the light but this intersection Lawrence and May Street we

[28:21] had spoken about it before. Um that is a nightmare. Um before I I could not leave

[28:28] town south on the issue and um approach the red light at Washington but the cars

[28:36] that are accumulating to go straight on May

[28:40] if there's somebody who is lingering to turn left on C Lawrence

[28:46] cars frequently pass them driving in there

[28:51] and there's a crosswalk there. And this is

[28:56] that I feel and it is the safest before an accident will even happen in the

[29:00] conflict and it's pretty obvious that it's not happening, but it's a very

[29:04] dangerous place right now. >> I can't see.

[29:07] » dangerous crosswalk I've seen a while. I was called there and

[29:12] obviously that's there because right here was there. So right there might be

[29:16] something that we got in the future. >> But I what my concern is are the people

[29:20] going south? The people going south going over into that right hand lane. So

[29:26] they they just off to time will come right up and then they want to

[29:31] into you. The other lane to go straight. They

[29:35] think that they'd be close you're behind this car turning the wrong way to turn,

[29:40] but we're not. You know that that guy in front of me he's now going to turn left.

[29:44] I'm still going straight. And this person comes up passing on the

[29:48] right and I'm still talking over the people in the lane.

[29:51] And we had asked before about having um like the the lines the diagonal lines

[29:58] that so people would know don't be coming up like that and that and then

[30:03] when you get to where it's two lanes after the crosswalk.

[30:08] Secondly I would that's a very dangerous area

[30:13] in this city. And I I I just

[30:17] I mean you should you know people say oh we'll address it we'll address

[30:20] it it is a dangerous place. >> What was the result of your previous

[30:24] discussions on this? Or was there a request?

[30:28] » I believe there was a request to have a study. What they would have talked about

[30:32] that and us you know the crossing things and traffic people. Hopefully not just

[30:37] getting that through through a campaign. It's not going to be

[30:41] easy. >> I understand.

[30:45] » From a traffic perspective, do you have thoughts on this?

[30:47] » So, I I understand what you're saying. The way

[30:52] complex as she says, we all see it. I don't know what the specific solution

[30:58] is. It's never been addressed far enough to reach any because

[31:03] for my office and resources. So, >> Well, when you were told it would be

[31:06] studied for a year and nothing was studied yet.

[31:08] I mean It's a good point.

[31:11] But how long ago was this?

[31:14] Yes.

[31:17] » A few years ago. >> Okay.

[31:20] » A few years ago. That was >> I was just trying to figure out

[31:23] Is there even a common system? Trying to figure out the minutes.

[31:27] I did a ton of work to even discuss it with you before that.

[31:31] You were right. I don't remember if anything ever did.

[31:33] » That was a long time ago. It was probably even 2 years ago. Okay.

[31:38] » It's just got to be done. You would need to follow up with the

[31:41] right people and get it done. >> Well, I mean

[31:45] I mean I I would like to have something done, but

[31:48] at this point in time

[31:51] I don't want to say it can't happen anymore because we're hoping for a

[31:54] decent everybody study and board. This I don't know what they're putting

[32:00] I mean our safety building and everything to be

[32:05] on the weather there. If that's going to change then I really

[32:08] have no idea. But it it should be addressed now. This I

[32:14] really feel too and if it has to be changed

[32:18] it would >> It would be good.

[32:20] » Is there um

[32:22] a simple solution that's not expensive that we could do in the short term to

[32:26] make it safer while we consider what path we're taking otherwise

[32:31] that anyone would recommend? >> It would seem most though

[32:37] probably to structuralize markings, make up some

[32:41] pre-dressing ads. I mean, that's a very easy answer to

[32:45] say, "Oh, just paint it and chase it." It's not cheap either, but

[32:49] » Are you talking about where you go through the light and you're heading

[32:53] towards Lawrence and it splits into two lanes?

[32:56] » No. No, the other way. >> Other way.

[32:58] » The other way. >> Okay.

[32:59] » Yeah, we're coming down We're coming down into the city.

[33:03] » Because I planned on putting arrows at that spot this year.

[33:07] Because that right side should be a turn onto Lawrence Street only, and then the

[33:12] other side should have a straight on straight.

[33:15] » No, she >> She's talking about You're talking about

[33:17] the other side. >> On this side.

[33:18] » Which I believe there is already painting there.

[33:25] In the turn lane? >> It's past the crosswalk that she's

[33:27] talking about before. I'm talking >> It's straight on over there.

[33:30] » I'm talking May Street from May Street going south.

[33:34] » Okay. >> To that light that's but uh from May

[33:37] Street going to the opposite side of the right hand driveway.

[33:42] » That's yeah. >> Old May

[33:43] » Right in there. It's not two lanes until after that crosswalk.

[33:49] And um people just fly through there. If after that there's somebody on the

[33:54] crosswalk or this person turns and this part of the

[33:58] plate will be having them to go straight right now. This guy's trying to get over

[34:01] in front of you. If

[34:05] And could you go look at the area >> Yeah, I I will take a look at it.

[34:09] » You want us to go and see that? I mean, I see it as an accident waiting to

[34:12] happen. >> I mean, I know.

[34:14] » So, I will go and take a look at it and come up with some suggestions.

[34:17] » thought those lines could show that it's not

[34:23] Are you hearing that suggestion?

[34:27] » That the cars have to be where they're not supposed to be.

[34:31] » Oh, okay. It's not a two lane highway again.

[34:34] » Okay. >> Okay. And then back to the

[34:38] initial reason we started talking about this was about the light sign by the

[34:42] firehouse. >> Mhm.

[34:44] » Um and you So, you're you were saying it would not

[34:48] be a bad idea or

[34:51] » It's not prohibited. >> It's not prohibited.

[34:52] » It may be limited in its effectiveness. I mean, you know the environment,

[34:56] there's all sorts of uncontrolled accesses to the the right-hand side and

[35:00] the the Google Earth side where you can just go basically skirt the traffic

[35:05] control point. But, yeah, I mean, the basic request at the last meeting was

[35:09] can we have a no turn on red sign? And I said to them, "Well, I'm not sure if

[35:13] that works, but it's not prohibited." >> I think some of these issues are going

[35:17] to be figured out when we know whether it's going to be a main retail or even

[35:21] once the project started and then and >> Mhm.

[35:24] » if it's starting to change things probably so.

[35:28] » How difficult would it be to put a no turn on red sign?

[35:31] » I have them. >> Oh, you have them?

[35:33] » It's a local issue. >> It has to be a local law. That's

[35:36] something that has to be a local law. >> That's the Oh, okay.

[35:38] » It's a local law. Which we can do. I just Yeah, just that it's just a little

[35:41] bit of a process. >> There's a lot of other consideration. Um

[35:44] the recent guidance on no turn on reds state that it has to be adjacent to the

[35:50] signal. So, it wants to be on the on the span.

[35:54] » On the span? >> Not on the pole.

[35:57] If if possible, I believe is the phraseology.

[36:00] » Uh I will have to talk to someone about that.

[36:02] » Right. Right. Those things have weight limits and things.

[36:05] » Correct. >> Yeah.

[36:06] » Right. >> Okay.

[36:08] » And I think it's on just a wire, so I don't think it's on an actual pole. All

[36:11] right. So, I'll have to do a little investigating on strapping it to it.

[36:15] » I'll uh I'll follow up with you and make sure

[36:17] » Okay. Yep, you have my >> determine whether or not it has to be

[36:20] there or should be there. >> Okay.

[36:22] » Is this May and Lawrence or were you just talking about May?

[36:25] » Um >> But, I know May it also brought up, so I

[36:28] just want to make sure >> Well, the the concern with May is it's

[36:34] It could be the last time my life >> No, I'm not. Yeah, no, I'm

[36:37] » You can do both. >> Yeah, I can.

[36:39] » Yep, you can do both. Uh one observation that the folks had was that you're

[36:44] supposed to have a fixed stop sign in conjunction with the flashing red on the

[36:50] approach. You have that on May. You do not have

[36:54] that on Lawrence. So, there's a stop sign on Lawrence. So, those are supposed

[36:58] to be coupled. So, on board. >> Okay, again to do again as possible as

[37:03] we can. The recommendation was to complement that with the stop sign as

[37:07] well on the Lawrence Street approach. >> Do we have stop signs?

[37:11] » Yes. >> Okay. So, it sounds like

[37:15] other than making sure we know where to put the sign,

[37:19] but you're saying it shouldn't be on the pole, it should be hanging.

[37:22] » It's supposed to be next to the light, so you can see it.

[37:25] » Okay. And you're going to have to see structurally if we have that on

[37:28] Lawrence. Does this board want to make a

[37:31] recommendation to the common council to move forward with this? As Emily is

[37:35] saying, it would be a local law, so it's through a public hearing and all of

[37:38] that. And two weeks

[37:41] I think both Lawrence and May. >> Both

[37:44] » Yeah. >> Yes.

[37:47] » Okay. So, who made the motion? >> I.

[37:49] » I did. >> Okay.

[37:51] » I did. >> Okay.

[37:52] » I second. >> Okay. All in favor?

[37:54] » I. >> Any opposed? Okay.

[37:57] And then Ed and Aaron, you can just make sure you're clear on the

[38:02] location of the sign. Okay. >> We'll do this.

[38:04] » The next common council meeting is September 22nd, so if you can get that

[38:07] information before then, that would be helpful.

[38:12] » Do you mind if I jump in on that? It should be stopped. I

[38:15] I do need you jump in. >> Oh.

[38:18] » No, that's fine. And then, um you'll go and look at the concern that

[38:22] Sam raised and let us know. Okay. Sounds good. And then the third item was

[38:29] the reporting to us about how the field

[38:32] exercise went on Zig Wan Avenue. >> At the last uh board meeting we had a

[38:38] public comment about um,

[38:41] in first of all in parking in the land of the

[38:44] uh, there was some discussion about street parking right there and so forth,

[38:48] so we did a field exercise.

[38:50] Uh, we took a fire truck, a rescue vehicle,

[38:54] an SUV, and we drove it down the street and we

[38:57] had to park on the side as far as possible.

[39:00] And therefore we went through the states uh,

[39:03] no parking. Also we looked into the garbage truck going the wrong way like

[39:08] it happens. That's because the mechanical arm is on the right hand

[39:11] side. It's the only way you can collect the

[39:13] garbage. And then the new situation that

[39:17] that's that's why it's happening that way.

[39:19] Uh, there's also a parking lot on that street where you can get permit parking.

[39:25] Um, so if someone really needed they could do that. They also looked at

[39:28] driveways. Every house had at least one drive driveway for at least one car.

[39:32] Some had two. So we literally couldn't really have a

[39:37] dramatic as we proposed. >> Okay.

[39:40] So you're basically recommending no change.

[39:44] » No change. >> So there's no action needed. Okay.

[39:48] Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah,

[39:50] circle that and edit it. >> Oh.

[39:52] » It might be down there. >> Oh, great.

[39:55] » It wasn't my note. It's in the minutes of

[39:57] This is the language. No turn on red sign shall be placed adjacent shall is a

[40:03] bad word shall be placed adjacent to the appropriate signal face

[40:07] wherever possible. So if in fact it's determined that the

[40:11] span wire can't support any additional weight somewhere else is acceptable.

[40:17] » If you want me to put the stop sign there, I'll make sure it's high enough

[40:20] and I can put it right where the stop sign so it's on the one post.

[40:25] » Okay. Yeah, yeah. That's That seems like a reasonable compromise

[40:28] to me. >> Okay.

[40:30] » Great. >> Yeah.

[40:32] » Problem solved. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you.

[40:38] All right. Does anyone else have any other business you'd like to discuss?

[40:43] » Your old business has still pulled in the third of the month so they're going

[40:46] to be repaying us three dollars and then we're going to be speaking of I'm going

[40:50] to be using the money to each officer in the department.

[40:53] » Okay. Um

[40:55] do you have any information on that? >> Not really. I did see something today

[40:59] about the payment and and you have any idea

[41:05] Uh I I don't know. I mean, the short answer is no.

[41:08] » Let me make sure that I give you the correct answer. They're bouncing back

[41:12] and forth with the stuff and I don't want to say the wrong thing. So, I'll

[41:14] get you the correct answer and then we'll discuss.

[41:16] » We can share it with the board. >> Okay.

[41:19] Anyone else? Okay.

[41:22] So, now we'll go to our safety reports. First on the agenda is Long Beach Police

[41:27] safety report.

[41:31] » Our attachment to the academy because he's coming in this fall and then

[41:38] Good afternoon. Uh Police Officer John just graduated

[41:41] his old police academy. Officer is continuing with his field training.

[41:45] We're estimating he'll be complete sometime in the middle of October and

[41:48] then he'll be signing up with the whole shift.

[41:50] Those He'll walk up at that point.

[41:53] » Right. >> Civil Service just closed the exam

[41:55] applications for the Patrol and Technical Services spot. Um so, they're

[41:59] also reached out to the eligible candidates for the Patrol and Technical

[42:03] Services spot and requested in the cover letters and designations from that. And

[42:08] once I get those, I will reach out to you guys to schedule a meeting so you

[42:11] can interview them and then I'll apply. public position.

[42:16] Um we also hired just three new recruits last week. Uh we're able to complete the

[42:21] psychological exams uh over the weekend. We have sent those

[42:25] out to the psychologist and we're looking to depending on the opening in

[42:28] the academy and the safety confirms to serve the 20 something applicants.

[42:32] » That is the plan. >> Very good.

[42:34] Excellent. >> Any questions?

[42:36] » Sure, we're all accepting. >> Um at this point I haven't heard of

[42:41] anything else the psychologist still has to do the interviews and stuff like

[42:43] that, but they're moving forward with it.

[42:46] » Yep. >> I have a quick question. That's um

[42:49] would be between me and Matthew but I don't know how important it is, but

[42:52] civil service we heard rumors that we're no longer

[42:57] going to be um used.

[43:00] Would would Well, they um with that

[43:05] Okay, they they place things like that. I just I've been told that they're not

[43:09] going to be doing same service as you and me.

[43:12] Would that be something that the fire patrol used to have it?

[43:16] And we would be exempt from that if they made a ruling like that. No.

[43:21] » I haven't seen any rule like that so far. I don't know the exact total now. I

[43:25] do know that instead of the exam being given yearly they're going to have it

[43:28] every 6 months. They no longer would have a column if you can do a psych exam

[43:30] so the list is changing and they add people to the list. But I believe you're

[43:33] trying to talk about the fire department adding you guys to that style of testing

[43:37] that we're doing. Um

[43:39] that's the last I heard of it. It's almost like it's a state position

[43:41] specific. >> Yeah.

[43:43] » Is it >> Yeah.

[43:44] » Yeah, I think so. >> Yes, to pursue my thing.

[43:48] » Public jobs that no longer require that, but it was probably

[43:54] » I'm a health nut. >> Okay.

[43:55] » I was hearing some of that. Thank you.

[43:59] » Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you.

[44:00] » Well, she except the chiefs. I I'll make her her smile. I mean both

[44:06] of you take after your 40 exam.

[44:10] All. Now the fire department walked through.

[44:15] » So, we do have one opening. Um but again, due to the

[44:22] issue of the fire having a problem um Unfortunately, our civil service list is

[44:28] exhausted at this point. There are two people that are trying to get their ENT

[44:33] cards, which are very low. We'll bring them to the old hall or we'll have to

[44:37] find somebody again, but um we We do have two other members that

[44:40] I'm going to two other candidates that I'm going to reach out to to to see if

[44:45] there's a chance that because they had said they weren't interested in doing

[44:49] that. And there still on the list.

[44:53] Um

[44:55] Other than that, we um any questions on our monthly report or anything?

[45:02] Um thank you for taking care of this stuff. I mean, anything that was going

[45:06] on, I I think it's important.

[45:09] You guys totally understand that stuff that partly partly but

[45:14] you can Your role is to make sure things are safe. And that's what you're

[45:17] following, so >> They They want the houses.

[45:20] » Yeah. Yeah. Um

[45:24] Other than that, um sure we'll see you all at work, but um

[45:27] we kind of thought of all past away after any final words and early onset

[45:32] dementia, Alzheimer's. And his wake is Friday from 4:00 to 7:00

[45:39] at Saugus Funeral Home. And

[45:43] service and the funeral services are True suicide. One The one in between

[45:48] 1:00 and 2:00 here at the point 7:00. That's 2:00 Saturday and then there's

[45:55] going to be a celebration of life being done at Common Roots.

[45:58] After that following the next day. >> I think that's it. Thank you.

[46:03] » All right.

[46:07] This is all I have right now, I guess. Thanks.

[46:28] Thank you. I appreciate everything you've done.

[46:44] » And anything else before we adjourn? >> I put the yellow grand opening in the

[46:49] session. If you give me advice on the stop sign that you were talking about, I

[46:52] now realize you're talking about the requested stop sign coming from the park

[46:57] out on the road crosswalk. >> Right.

[46:59] » I'm not something that I'm really all that interested in.

[47:02] The data collection out there is done. The cameras have been removed and it was

[47:06] fairly successful. So, anything you feel needs to be done in that

[47:11] will affect the observations that are going to be the basis for the

[47:14] recommendation. So, if it's strongly felt that that stop sign on the pole

[47:19] telling bicyclists that they're approaching an intersection is

[47:22] worthwhile, I would ask that you will not put that to not influence the

[47:26] behavior that was under observation, but that data collection stop. So, if you do

[47:31] want to do that, >> I'm glad to do that. I Is Is that a good

[47:35] place? >> No, I already have the stop sign and

[47:38] everything. >> Is it a smaller

[47:39] » Yes, it's it's it's the same size that they use on the

[47:42] bike path. >> Okay.

[47:44] » That was >> I agree that there are a lot of

[47:48] people and kids and everybody that just kind of fly through, so it'd be good to

[47:52] Okay, put a warning there. Does anyone else have any thoughts on

[47:56] that? If they're coming back, no? Okay. All right. With that, I will accept the

[48:01] motion to return. >> Moved.

[48:04] » Second. >> All in favor?

[48:05] » All right. >> All right.

[48:07] » Wait, we are adjourned. >> Thank you.

2026 09 09 Board of Public Safety BOPS meeting

Transcript