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[8:04] Welcome to the Goodyear City Council meeting. We're excited to have you be a

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[10:03] » Like to call the regular meeting to order for September 14th, 2026. Uh can I

[10:08] get a motion and a second to excuse council member Beckles?

[10:12] Second.

[10:16] » I have a motion by Council Member Campbell and a second by Council Member

[10:18] Gillis. >> Okay. All in favor?

[10:21] » I. >> Unanimous.

[10:25] All right. Great to go. Now, please join me in the pledge of allegiance and

[10:29] invocation.

[10:33] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[10:38] republic for which it stands, >> one nation under God, indivisible, with

[10:43] liberty and justice for all. >> Almighty Father, I ask that you provide

[10:48] wisdom to all of those this council so we may make wise decisions for our

[10:53] community. I also ask that you help heal this nation which suffers from a lack of

[10:58] civility so that we can come together as a nation and work towards a more civil

[11:02] society for the betterment of all. Please protect our men and women in

[11:06] uniform here and overseas from injury and provide those in the meeting safe

[11:10] passage home in your name. Amen. >> Amen.

[11:22] Now is the time for the members of the public who wish to address the city

[11:25] council on any non-aggenda items the jurisdiction of Goodyear city council.

[11:29] We have any speaker cards? >> Yes, mayor. I have one speaker.

[11:32] » Come on up. >> Chris Mclofflin.

[11:37] » Sir, before you start, the council will listen to comments and and take any of

[11:40] the following actions. Respond to criticism. requested the staff

[11:44] investigate and report on the matter. Request that the matter be scheduled on

[11:47] a future agenda. Uh each speaker is limited to three minutes. There'll be a

[11:51] I guess a light somewhere over You got it. All right. When you get to 30

[11:55] seconds, sir, you're on. Just tell us uh whether you're a Goodyear res. You have

[11:59] to give an address. >> Hi, my name is uh Goodyear evening mayor

[12:02] and council. My name is Chris McLaclin and I am a Goodyear resident.

[12:05] » Okay. >> I'm here to address Goodyear's use of

[12:08] automated license plate readers um and flaw cameras. I have recently had a I

[12:14] recently had a very cordial conversation with our police chief. I appreciate him

[12:18] taking the time and to hear my concerns and explain the department's position. I

[12:23] respect that conversation, but fundamentally we still disagree.

[12:27] I previously asked that flock cameras be placed on council agenda for public

[12:31] discussion. That has not happened. I asked that it be put on agend agenda.

[12:36] I went back through city records. I found that funding of light of license

[12:40] plate readers in city budget goes back to 2019. What I have not found is a

[12:44] dedicated public discussion where residents were asked whether whether we

[12:48] wanted the surveillance system or where's privacy and constitutional

[12:52] implications were openly debated. Approving funding within a much larger

[12:57] city budget is not the same as public debating government surveillance.

[13:02] My object my objection go also goes beyond privacy that this raises a

[13:07] fundamental fourth amendment question. Should the government be able to build

[13:10] and search a history of our movements without a warrant? A license plate being

[13:14] visible to the public is not the same thing as government continuously

[13:18] collecting those those observations. Storing them in a database and making

[13:23] our movements searchable. That distinction matters.

[13:28] In Carpenter, the Supreme Court recognized that technology can transform

[13:31] individual pieces of public information into an extraordinary detailed record of

[13:36] a person's movement and that the Fourth Amendment cannot simply ignore that

[13:40] technological reality. Flock and other ALPR systems give

[13:44] government capability that once we would have required officers to physically

[13:48] follow someone, now it can be done automatically at an enormous scale and

[13:53] potentially searched after the fact. The fourth amendment exists to place limits

[13:57] on government surveillance. Technology should not become a loophole around a

[14:01] warrant requirement and the potential for misuse is real. Policies may

[14:06] restrict how these systems are used, but they cannot eliminate their capacity for

[14:10] abuse. I understand why law enforcement finds these cameras useful, but

[14:15] usefulness of law enforcement is not the standard by which we measure

[14:19] constitutional rights. There has to be a line for me. creating a searchable

[14:25] history of movements of people who are not suspected of a crime and allowing

[14:29] government access to that history without first going through a judge for

[14:32] a warrant crosses that line. So, I'm asking the council to cancel contracts

[14:37] and end Goodyear's use of flot cameras. If the city surveillance of this scope

[14:42] is necessary, make that case publicly, put it on the agenda, let residents

[14:45] speak, debate the constitutional implications in the open. That

[14:49] discussion should have been should have happened before these cameras were

[14:52] deployed. cancel the contracts. >> Thank you. Um, city attorney, city

[14:57] manager, I know you've already had the discussion with the chief. Can you give

[15:00] him back and you mentioned some legal issues in there? I know we have talked

[15:03] about this before. Can you draft something and and make sure that

[15:06] gentleman gets it a response? Okay, we're good.

[15:12] » All right. Thank you. Anything else? >> No, mayor.

[15:16] » Okay. Thank you. All right. Will the city clerk please read the consent

[15:19] agenda items one through five by title only?

[15:24] Yes, mayor. Item one, approval of series 12 restaurant liquor license for Fogo de

[15:28] Chau Chudoscaria. Item two, approval of budget amendments and related

[15:32] expenditure authority. Item three, approval of intergovernmental agreements

[15:35] with city of Aendell West Valley sex trafficking task force. Item four,

[15:39] approval of the Drug Enforcement Agency equitable sharing agreement and annual

[15:42] certification affidavit. In item five, adopt resolution number 2026 2539

[15:49] authorizing the city manager and/or their designate to execute a license

[15:52] agreement with the Vicental LLC, a Florida limited liability company, and

[15:57] to enter into separate agreements for inind exchanges which may include fiber

[16:00] andor conduit. >> Thank you. Any speaker cards?

[16:03] » No, mayor. >> Okay. Thank you. Anybody in the audience

[16:05] like to speak on the issue? Anybody want to take anything off the agenda?

[16:11] Can I get a motion? Remember what you got to say uh visually here now since we

[16:15] don't have the thing in front. We got a motion.

[16:17] » Second. >> Did you get that? We got the motion in

[16:20] the second. >> I have a motion by council member Kano

[16:22] and a second by council member Campbell. >> Correct. Thank you. All in favor?

[16:27] » I. Any opposed? Eyes have it. Thank you.

[16:33] All right. Let's see. Um we have two Oops. We haven't got to the work session

[16:37] yet.

[16:44] That's it, right? Going right to the work session. All right. For the

[16:48] discussion only, no action can be taken. We have two work session items tonight.

[16:52] I would like to remind council that staff will be pausing every so often to

[16:56] answer any questions. First item is the update on the fire resource management

[17:00] building. Uh could you go ahead and please uh introduce yourself for the

[17:04] audience? >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Paul

[17:08] Louise, Fire Chief, and with me tonight is uh Tim Wayne, Deputy Fire Chief. So,

[17:13] tonight we'll be taking you through um an overview of the Fire Resource

[17:17] Management Building. We'll also talk about the design of the new building,

[17:23] plans for construction, and then we'll both be available for any questions

[17:27] afterwards. Currently staff operate out of fire old

[17:33] fire station 181 which is located at West Yuma Road in Lichfield Road just

[17:40] west of that intersection and noted here on the map.

[17:45] Since 1982, Fire Resource Management has operated out of that small section of

[17:50] that fire station. In 2016, firefighters were actually moved out of that station

[17:54] and they colllocated with fire station 184 crew after we discovered some

[18:00] environmental concerns within the building.

[18:03] And then since 2017, resource management has expanded into the entire old 181

[18:09] building. Those environmental concerns have been rectified and the building has

[18:15] been deemed safe since that time. In May of 2021,

[18:20] we actually opened new fire station 181 at 143rd A in Vanurren Street. And then

[18:28] 2023, a geo bond uh which included a resource management building was issued

[18:34] um by the voters. Here's some pictures that we'll take you

[18:38] through. Um so this is the old fire station 181. Uh, as noted on the map,

[18:44] this has four apparatus bays, which is very nice from a storing equipment

[18:50] standpoint. But as you see, uh, this building is is old. Um, we are

[18:56] maximizing our storage and maximizing our space, any place that we can find a

[19:02] spot to store equipment, we are doing that currently. In the apparatus bays,

[19:07] it is very tight. apparatus is bumperto-bumper

[19:11] and uh the rear apparatus are right up against the garage doors. So, not a lot

[19:16] of space there. Um we are using as I stated earlier

[19:21] every interior space that we can find. This is some of our emergency medical

[19:26] service equipment uh storage throughout the building. It has to be in an air

[19:31] cooled or airond conditioned environment. Um, so these are actually

[19:36] the old dorm rooms and you can see from the lockers there uh that used to be for

[19:41] the personnel. That's where equipment is now stored.

[19:46] Uh, further interior storage. This is uh some of the personal protective

[19:50] equipment and the storage there on the bins and the racks. You can see that

[19:54] there. And then we also have our air management room which is a clean room.

[19:59] Staff does a great job of keeping contaminants out of that room. But as

[20:03] you can see, uh all of these rooms have been modified uh for their current day

[20:08] use. Uh the new building that we are

[20:13] proposing, uh you can see the map here. Um and that would be located uh just

[20:20] west of the future solid or hazardous waste uh building that public works is

[20:27] uh considering. So now I'll turn that presentation over to Chief Wayne.

[20:34] Good [clears throat] evening, Mayor Council. Tim Wayne, w Chief.

[20:39] Um, as you could see, this project, the CIP 315, sits directly right next to the

[20:45] public works facility. Um, this is going to be MC85 just south. Uh, and then what

[20:52] you see is Broadway. On the south side of the the structure, we'll see SR30 run

[20:57] through there. So, just give me an idea where that sits within the city.

[21:00] [snorts]

[21:04] Uh so in 2023 the voters approved through a general obligation bond a

[21:09] resource management as part of that uh that bond went along with the training

[21:13] center. Um that was the current project is sits at 31,140,000.

[21:20] Um it's to note the design is currently in design and we're working through that

[21:26] process. the construction phase has been moved out of the 5-year CIP.

[21:31] So, we have allotted uh 1.76 approved in FY26 for design and the construction

[21:38] aspect of that would be 26 million. Um furniture, fixtures and equipment sits

[21:44] at around 3.36 with 965,000 be FFNE and the balance of that would go to IT cost

[21:52] at $2.4 million. Currently, we're at 60% design. Uh we've

[21:59] received comments back from development services and working through those the

[22:03] comments uh with our planning team. Of note, the uh solid weight solid waste

[22:10] facility just to the east that you saw previous slide um is a is going to

[22:15] benefit from this project and the off-site improvements. approximately

[22:18] $1.73 million of off-site improvements will benefit the public waist solid

[22:24] waste facility. Um because they're ahead of us, we're going to transfer some of

[22:28] that money and uh so that piece of the infrastructure can be completed.

[22:34] Uh we are anticipating design to be complete in 2027 in January.

[22:41] So, the overall product description or project description, we're three 30,000

[22:46] square feet working facility sitting on 10.1 acres. Um, this [snorts] is going

[22:53] to combine a lot of things throughout the fire department so we can all come

[22:57] under one roof. Um, that'll include office space, a 40 seat classroom, PPE,

[23:03] storage, and all the other things that we're struggling with currently. Um, we

[23:07] did tour multiple partner sites to learn how best to approach this project. We

[23:11] got some great information from our partners in Surprise and Glendale and uh

[23:15] even traveled out to Gilbert to see their facility as well.

[23:19] [snorts] Well, this is just not another warehouse. This combines a lot of

[23:22] services under one roof and promotes uh a lot of efficiencies and uh will

[23:28] address a lot of department needs. So, kind of zooming out a little bit of

[23:33] what that structure looks like. This is the overall footprint. I'm going to walk

[23:36] you through um in a little greater detail so you have a better idea of some

[23:40] of the aspects and the components that we're planning to provide to the

[23:45] structure. [snorts]

[23:47] So, we're super excited about this. Um as you come in through the front door

[23:51] lobby, you uh mainly go into a 40 seat classroom that has a little kitchenet

[23:57] next to it. Um, this this classroom is set up to be somewhat of a dirty

[24:01] classroom, meaning that uh we can do airpack training in there and all other

[24:06] st sorts of training. So, um it gives us the ability to do quick clean and solid

[24:11] services. So, we can turn that over and make it safe again. But has some

[24:15] flexibility. Um it's central location throughout the city I think is a benefit

[24:19] to the city um as a resource. um further as you move through the the building um

[24:24] [snorts] you see fitness center and then we've also included kind of what's a new

[24:29] concept and that's that recharge room uh slashreovery room where it's a sauna red

[24:34] light therapy and cold plunge together those things are proven to be really

[24:38] beneficial for for improvement of sleep and then rest and recovery.

[24:45] So, as we moved through the building a little bit in this in the center, we

[24:48] have two air conditioned bays. Um, imagine it's 120 degrees and you need to

[24:53] swap out into a new truck. Typically, that happens either in the bays or in a

[24:57] parking lot somewhere, a fleet. Um, now with this facility, we can drive those

[25:02] uh apparatus going out of service for maintenance or repair and swap out into

[25:07] a a new apparatus in an air conditioned setting. In addition to that, so as as

[25:13] big the units will roll through there, you have access to uh airfill, you have

[25:18] access to decontamination. And the cool part is when when we put install new

[25:22] equipment onto these vehicles um like we're going to do in the coming months

[25:26] with new air packs, all the trucks can roll through here, we can pull the old

[25:31] equipment out, insert the new equipment on, and then they're back in service.

[25:35] So, it really in increases efficiency and uh an opportunity to keep our

[25:41] firefighters out of the elements. Sorry, can you go back real quick?

[25:49] » So, during design, because of these drive-through apparatus days, uh the

[25:54] group thought it'd be important that we included a uh ability to host a mechanic

[25:58] in this building. Um, while there's not one funded currently, we we have in

[26:03] design a uh a mechanic station, if you will, office supplies, so that

[26:09] individual could do maintenance and light light um repairs.

[26:17] Uh going to the right of that, there's 13 stalls currently. You saw in in the

[26:21] previous slides, all that equipment is jammed into the apparatus bay currently.

[26:26] And then there's quite a bit of equipment that sits outside. So 13 is a

[26:30] hefty number. It's not only meets our needs currently, but it will for

[26:34] considerable amount of time. Um before you move off, it's important to note

[26:39] that um we thought about scalability in the future and ensuring that this

[26:45] building is capable of expanding if necessary at the time where where the

[26:48] need arises.

[26:52] So a little review of where we're at, where we came from. Core Construction

[26:56] was selected as the Seymar um designed to be completed in 27. Uh we'll do

[27:01] permits, submit permits and get approvals. That takes a couple months or

[27:05] so. Um by spring of 27, we would like to begin construction in

[27:10] July of 27. That construction duration is approximately 13 months with 12 of it

[27:16] being construction and then one month for FFN and move in.

[27:22] So tonight we're asking

[27:32] process.

[27:43] » Okay, thank you. Any questions? Go ahead, Vicki.

[27:48] » So completion date completion date would be about 13

[27:52] months. Uh so July of 2027. So figure July or August of 28.

[27:58] » 28. >> Yeah.

[28:00] » Okay. >> Anybody else? Oh, go ahead. Laura,

[28:06] » so at the beginning you said that this was outside of the five-year CIP. So it

[28:11] it's not on the plan. >> And so what you're asking for

[28:14] essentially is will we fund it >> through the normal budget process? the

[28:18] budget process. >> Yes.

[28:20] » Okay. >> All right. Thank you.

[28:23] » Anything else? Go ahead, Vice Mayor. >> Go back here.

[28:27] » I guess piggyback on her question. So, you want to move it up from the fiveyear

[28:31] to Sorry, back to the dates here to now. So, right now, right,

[28:38] » it would be in fiscal year 28. So, it would come through the normal budget

[28:41] cycle process. So, we'd start collecting that information November internally and

[28:47] then um be internally reviewed by the city manager's office and then presented

[28:51] to you guys typically in April uh during the normal budget process.

[28:55] » And you're saying we can move it up because of that bond that we have.

[28:59] That's where that >> So, we're asking for the funding to be

[29:02] used. Yes. Because it was identified in the in the bond.

[29:04] » Okay. That's why we're able to to bring it up because that bond approved got

[29:07] approved. Okay. And then I just had some questions here now as well. Um so all

[29:14] the stuff that's going to go in there is all sitting in that one station now.

[29:19] » Yeah. And as Chief Wayne stated, um it allows for expansion for we're thinking

[29:25] 30 to 40 maybe 50 years from now. Um the other piece is a lot of our equipment is

[29:32] still outside. So uh things that we cannot fit inside have to go outside.

[29:37] This allows everything to go under one roof as Chief Wayne stated.

[29:40] » Okay. And it's all air the whole everything both sides everything's air

[29:43] conditioned. >> Correct.

[29:44] » The storage of everything. Apparatus. >> The apparatus bay would be the only one

[29:47] that that wouldn't the where they park the drive bays where Yeah. would be.

[29:52] » So it's a covered parking. >> It's covered. Yes. Inside.

[29:55] » Okay. And then what happens to the old building?

[30:00] » Good question. I think that's something that uh certainly a city manager's

[30:04] office CIP would consider uh for future use.

[30:08] » Okay. So it goes back to maybe for fire maybe further use.

[30:12] » It is city owned. >> Yeah.

[30:14] » Y okay. >> Um and then I'm sure you guys are

[30:19] already all over this. So all it has storage there right now and

[30:24] I'm sure does does our warehousing does it be do we store anything over there

[30:28] right now? Is there room over there right now? We don't

[30:30] » is the fire keeps their own storage. >> Correct.

[30:33] » Okay. And then is there any I know I'm glad we

[30:36] have the mechanic. I think that's smart. Is there any way while we're doing this?

[30:40] Seems it's pretty comprehensive, but if there anything that we can get while

[30:43] we're building that that we can also build. I don't know. I'm thinking like

[30:46] the last time we had that area. I'm thinking the hazardous waste lay down

[30:50] area. some other little things that maybe we can if we can add on there

[30:53] while we're building something for economy to scale potentially or

[30:58] something that the the fleet needs. I don't know. I'm trying to think of other

[31:02] ways to maximize what we already have going on there. So, we get a twofer out

[31:06] of it. I think that'd be that'd be great. But, I like the mechanic being

[31:09] there. I think that's smart. Um especially they can do some work and

[31:13] they because the 303 is going to be right. You're going to go can we pass

[31:16] underneath that 303 in the future? the 30.

[31:20] » SR 30. SR30. I apologize. SR30. >> Yeah. Good. Well, yeah, it's going to be

[31:27] uh right next to that location. It'll be coming through uh next to the resource

[31:31] center and the solid waste facility. Right. Right adjacent to it.

[31:35] » Okay. And then >> what how many other fire fire

[31:39] departments have a cold plunge and a red light therapy? It's becoming certainly

[31:43] more popular and I think um some are retrofitting into their current

[31:48] locations, but others I think taking opportunities like we are with new

[31:53] construction to try to implement those programs.

[31:57] » Okay. And that's just for uh not just for maybe it needs some kind of therapy

[32:02] like >> it's typically for recovery. So uh post

[32:05] shift not uh there's not a lot of research or science that supports on

[32:09] shift for that. So it's mostly post shift recovery.

[32:13] » Okay. So it' be on their on their time. Is that what you're saying? Is that

[32:18] you're what you're trying to get at? >> Yes. Okay.

[32:20] » Okay. Yeah. There's it's unique. That's I feel like it's unique. I'm not a

[32:24] expert in fire fire uh new fire buildings, but I'm just curious. And

[32:30] then but no, I think it definitely needs to be done. I think this the training

[32:33] will be really great for you guys, too. Um how many people can fit in there? You

[32:37] said 40 people. 40. We would have 40 seats. Yeah. Which is amazing for us

[32:42] because we don't have a location like that

[32:44] » to fit that many personnel. And as Chief Wayne stated, if you're going to do

[32:49] dirty training, you know, with air packs, radios, other types of new

[32:54] equipment that we're trying to implement,

[32:56] » um this would be kind of a perfect location for them. And then it would be

[33:00] easily deconed, uh so that it could still remain clean afterwards. Yes.

[33:06] Because you used to do training in that where where you store everything now,

[33:10] right? Correct. I remember when I did my Citizens Academy, whatever it was called

[33:14] at that point that >> Yeah. Very small room.

[33:15] » Yeah. I remember touring it at that when it was operational.

[33:18] » Yeah. >> Yep.

[33:19] » And it was older back then. >> Yeah.

[33:21] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[33:22] » With the 911 call center and everything else. So Okay. Okay. No, I think it'll

[33:27] definitely I mean obviously it'll help out. So I'm glad we can I'm glad it's

[33:31] funded appropriately and I think it'll get a lot out of it. But like I said, if

[33:35] we can I know you've already done a lot 60% of the design, but if there's

[33:38] anything else we can add, attach things like that that'll help other city

[33:42] functions or I know you're building out for long term 40 50 years, but if

[33:45] there's a another section we can add on there while we're building it that can

[33:50] help us in other pinch of department that we have going on that might be

[33:54] helpful helpful, whatever that looks like. So, all right. Well, thank you. I

[33:58] appreciate it. >> Did you have something?

[34:02] » Yeah. Uh >> well,

[34:05] » so kind of piggybacking off of Councilwoman

[34:10] Kano, this not quite fully funded through the

[34:15] budget process yet. This is something that is

[34:20] finishing up in the planning phase and we should expect to be seen brought

[34:25] forward when we begin those budget uh discussions. I don't know if it's coming

[34:29] up at our retreat next month or over the coming months. This is just something to

[34:35] that may be added to our five-year CIP. Is that correct?

[34:40] » Yes, sir. That's what we would propose to do. And I think there's as the design

[34:44] has progressed, the timing of when the facility was going to be ready to move

[34:47] to construction was something we weren't sure about and I think that's why it

[34:50] wasn't included in the CIP. So, as those details have been finalized, that's what

[34:54] we're proposing is that we bring it forward to you in this in the retreat

[34:57] and then the spring in the budget process to be included in the 28 budget.

[35:01] » Okay. Design makes sense to me. I look forward to the budget discussions.

[35:08] » Chief, wait a minute. Oh, sorry. Chief, we've

[35:13] talked about this for over 15 years. I had had this conversation when I was on

[35:18] the public safety committee when we recommended that we try to bring police

[35:22] and fire under one roof for each department when we had people scattered

[35:28] all over Goodyear and we also had the recommendation for the ambulances and

[35:33] several things that we're just now seeing come to pass. I know that um this

[35:38] building has been a problem for us for many many years. I remember it flooding

[35:43] in the kitchen. I remember the mold. I remember the smell. And I know uh I was

[35:49] so grateful when we were able to move your crews out of that building, but we

[35:53] knew we still had the building and we were going to use it as best we could.

[35:57] So, I'm glad to know you've mitigated a lot of the issues that we had. And I

[36:02] think it's a wonderful um time for Goodyear to put everything together for

[36:07] fire. And I I don't necessarily want more departments put in that building

[36:13] because fire is kind of exclusive to themselves and I don't mean it any other

[36:19] way than they keep track of everything and they have everything right there and

[36:24] um it's just really important and it saves time, it saves money and it really

[36:30] saves lives because you're training, you're doing all of the stuff. Um, I do

[36:34] want to know, are you planning on shade structure, either the sailcloth or

[36:40] something over where those truck the bay where the trucks are because even

[36:43] backing them in there and letting them sit there, they're just going to bake.

[36:47] » We are so that that piece I didn't show the overall footprint on the back side

[36:52] of the the facility there is covered parking um probably 12 spots or so.

[36:57] » Good. Now, do you have an office in that building? Is are we going to have

[37:00] actually fire staff on duty there? No fire staff will be on duty. This this

[37:04] will all be uh support personnel. So >> that's what I meant. I'm sorry.

[37:08] » The office space has uh seating up to eight spots. So

[37:12] » Okay. Well, I'm excited. I can't wait to see it. I'll come back and see it when

[37:16] it's done because y'all certainly deserve it. It's it's just going to be a

[37:20] wonderful thing for our fire department.

[37:25] » Um I'm kind of piggybacking on Brandon's question. I have a couple of questions

[37:28] actually. The red light therapy and the cold plunge. Does this hap does this

[37:33] help at all? Especially the cold plunge. You're talking about them doing this

[37:36] after they've been on shift, been at a fire, done whatever because I'm big on

[37:40] the cancer issues with firefighters. Does this help at all eliminate some of

[37:45] that or help with some of that, you know, or do we not know the findings of

[37:50] that at this point? >> I don't I think the research is still

[37:53] pretty new. Um from a cool down perspective on shift uh what the science

[37:59] does show is some type of immersion just of their forearms actually to cool them

[38:05] down but this uh is more inclusive of their total body wellness. Okay.

[38:12] » Not specifically after one or a certain disease process. So

[38:16] » So no chemicals. We have not caught gotten to that point where we know that

[38:20] it helps take care of that. No, we we've seen some uh evidence with the saunas

[38:25] that that can be very very beneficial. Open up and clean the pores out. Um but

[38:30] that that I think still is being tested. >> And there are saunas in here as well.

[38:34] » Yes. >> Okay. Um the that's part of the red

[38:37] light therapy. Okay. All right. Um, and so what does what does this cost for

[38:44] that particular that the that particular red light therapy sauna that you know

[38:50] that whole thing? What does that cost for that room? Do you know?

[38:54] » Yeah. >> Yeah. I Yeah, good point. I think

[38:59] anywhere probably between 20 25,000 for just for the equipment.

[39:05] » Can I Can I finish? So, so what we're saying is is that we're talking $20,000

[39:12] in for the people that are listening to this in how much does a fire station

[39:16] cost now? $18 million roughly. >> Roughly.

[39:18] » Roughly. >> It's amazing we're up to that amount,

[39:21] but that's understandable. So, $20,000 really isn't a lot when we're talking

[39:26] about how much the final cost of the fire station is going to be to have the

[39:29] welfare of the firefighters. Correct. Correct. That's what we're talking. Yep.

[39:32] » That's what I wanted people to hear out I think it's a wonderful idea and I

[39:35] think this is going to be a great station station. Thank you very much.

[39:40] » Well, I also wanted to piggyback on uh comments that coun or vice mayor Hampton

[39:45] made um regarding the construction and then going on expanding into public

[39:51] works. I mean the bond is for public safety. I don't think we have any bond

[39:55] for the public works facility do we? >> Okay. And if we are if we are

[40:02] contemplating that as an option, we would discuss that at the budget

[40:06] hearing. >> That's right. Yes. I I think uh for the

[40:10] solid waste facility, I think there is some enterprise funding for that, but I

[40:14] do need to check on those and we'll be able to bring that back to you as part

[40:16] of the budget process. >> All right. Because I thinking funding

[40:20] sources are separate. >> Yeah, it wouldn't be a a geo bond like

[40:23] we're talking about for the fire station. It' be a different funding

[40:25] stream. >> All right. Thank you.

[40:27] » Do you have something to add? just piggy back in on that then. Yeah, that's why I

[40:31] brought it up is just if if there is an option opportunity that we can help out

[40:36] another department while we're there, then while we are recycled up, ready to

[40:39] go with this construction company that there might be a benefit, but thank you.

[40:43] » Right. To look at them together as one project potentially of how you can try

[40:47] to maximize the space. >> We can certainly look at that.

[40:50] » Great discussion. You know, when you bring that back, we have a five-year um

[40:53] CIP already funded. So, when you come back to us, um either we're gonna have

[40:58] some extra cash that we can throw into that five-year CIP or we got to move

[41:02] some things around inside that I mean that's the mechanics when it comes to

[41:06] budget time to get this funded. But I think if you got the design out there

[41:09] that doesn't make any sense to let it sit around and not build a thing. So, we

[41:12] need to find the way to make that at least in my humble opinion make that

[41:16] happen. So, okay. Thank Thank you. All right. Next up, let's see. uh receive a

[41:22] strategic plan update on efforts to increase the use of nonportable water

[41:28] sources for park irrigation. If you would please introduce yourselves

[41:35] for the public that's watching. >> Well, good evening mayor and council.

[41:39] I'm Rachel Garcia, deputy city manager. Today, we're going to be receiving an

[41:43] update on the city's strategic plan action item related to increasing the

[41:48] use of non-pottable water for park irrigation. And I'm pleased to welcome

[41:53] David Lopez, our new parks and recreation director, who be who will be

[41:58] presenting today with Barb Chapel, our water services director. David and Barb

[42:03] are going to walk us through the current non-potable water uses, potential

[42:08] opportunities for expansion, and the key considerations involved, including water

[42:12] availability, infrastructure needs, and costs. There is no immediate fiscal

[42:17] impact or funding request associated with today's discussion. Today is an

[42:22] opportunity for council to receive information and provide direction to

[42:25] staff on opportunities that warrant further evaluation. As those

[42:30] opportunities are evaluated, the staff will develop more detailed information

[42:34] on potential project costs and funding needs. And then the hope is that this

[42:39] information may be brought forward through the normal budget process and

[42:43] capital improvement program process as specific projects are considered. Um so

[42:48] we hope to come back through that budget process with more information after

[42:52] today. Um with that, I will turn it over to David and Barb. Thank you.

[42:59] Good evening, mayor and members of council. David Lopez, director of parks

[43:02] and recreation. A quick overview of tonight's agenda. We're going to go

[43:06] through this item as a strategic plan goal of safe and vibrant community.

[43:11] We're also going to look at how parks and recreation currently utilizes

[43:14] alternative water sources within our parks and trail system. We're going to

[43:18] look at expanding into some future opportunities to make our system more

[43:21] sustainable. Uh we're going to also be fully transparent about some challenges

[43:26] and how we can overcome those. We'll also be comparing costs between the

[43:30] various water providers as well as getting your feedback on a sustainable

[43:34] path forward. So, uh you can suffer me. I'm going to

[43:39] read verbatim our strategic plan update uh of increasing city non-pottable water

[43:44] uses. develop strategies to transition parks and recreation department's water

[43:48] usage to non-pottable sources where possible. Um there's a ton that goes

[43:54] into unpacking this and we've learned a ton of lessons for what we've already

[43:57] observed in utilizing it within our current system. But I am going to pass

[44:01] the uh mic and keyboard over to my colleague who can also who will be

[44:06] laying the foundation for tonight's presentation in terms of uh some

[44:10] definitions that we'll be using. Thank you. I'm Barb Chapel, water

[44:17] services director. >> Is it not on?

[44:19] » Is it on? >> Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you.

[44:22] » So, um, just kind of for reference as we're speaking this evening and David's

[44:28] going to do the most uh majority of this presentation, I wanted to go over some

[44:32] terms that we use and we talk about um portable water. I just want to make that

[44:38] clear. that is our drinking water that's within the distribution system that's

[44:43] protected and that portable water could be from the city as the service

[44:47] provider. We have um EPCOR, we have Liberty services. It's all portable when

[44:53] it's in the distribution system. That is the drinking water supply. There are

[44:57] non-potable um supplies. Those are ones that were not man for

[45:02] human consumption, but they're perfectly safe for things like irrigation and

[45:08] other uses. And in that nonpotable kind of bucket, we have a few options. We

[45:14] have reclaimed water. That is water that was once waste water collected from our

[45:20] has been used. It's been collected and treated through a water reclamation

[45:26] facility and is safe for the environment. So that that is um a type

[45:31] of non-potable that is at our disposal. We also have um irrigation districts

[45:36] within our limits where we sit on some historical

[45:42] irrigation uh lands that were once agriculture and there's resources tied

[45:48] to those lands. Um, we have remediated water. And I just for clarification, the

[45:55] difference between remediated and reclaimed water is remediated water is

[46:00] groundwater that had a contaminant like one of the super fund sites. So, we have

[46:05] a PGA North and PGA South are two of our Phoenix Goodyear airport super fund

[46:11] sites. So, they remove water and treat it for the contaminant of concern and it

[46:17] can be reused. So, so that's when we say remediated water or we talk about the

[46:23] super fund um providers, we're talking about that supply, not not reclaimed

[46:29] water that was once wastewater. Just wanted to make that distinction. Um

[46:34] and so, um again, as I mentioned, we have several providers. The city of

[46:38] Goodyear primarily south of I10. We have the Phoenix Goodyear airport south super

[46:44] fun site. Those are our partners with Goodyear Tire and Rubber. Um we have the

[46:50] Aendale School District owns and operates an irrigation well that is at

[46:55] our dis that we we have some agreements with them. We have um our partners in

[47:00] Estraa. They have the reclaimed system that runs

[47:05] the southern part of the city and so they are a provider for those areas. In

[47:11] the south, we have the Roosevelt Irrigation District, which is one of our

[47:16] um districts that we're we have lands in. And um Liberty Utilities, I crossed

[47:22] over that one. Sorry. But Liberty Utilities is another one of our

[47:24] providers. And they have both um reclaimed and portable supplies just

[47:29] like the city of Goodyear does. Um and I don't think you have any parks in EPCO

[47:34] yet. Maybe never. I don't know if they're in the plans, but

[47:40] Thank you, Barb. >> Okay, so um we want to talk about what

[47:45] success could look like in this plan's implementation. So, we're going to

[47:49] triage those opportunities for non-pottable sources within our system.

[47:54] We'll also need to coordinate with those respective water providers to ensure

[47:57] that uh it's feasible with their infrastructure. And then we're going to

[48:01] look at cost uh and the reliability, the availability of each source. and then

[48:08] get some of your feedback on phase implementation to include in future pro

[48:11] park projects u that'll be coming in the next few months as well as some

[48:16] operational opportunities to be considered within the annual budget

[48:20] process. So here's a quick snapshot of our park

[48:24] system with our four community parks. As a reminder, community parks are those

[48:27] that are 30 plus acres. Uh they're packed with amenities such as ball

[48:31] fields and maybe splash pads and playgrounds. Your neighborhood parks are

[48:35] smaller. We've got 11 of those within our system, but there's a lot of water

[48:38] demands for some of those green spaces. Specialty parks such as uh the GSQ Plaza

[48:45] and even the dog parks, we've got six of those. And linear parks like Bullard

[48:49] Wash and the extension project that's underway now.

[48:53] So when we talk about uh our current water resources, we just wanted to

[48:58] provide some framework of what we're already using and also we want to uh use

[49:03] these as case studies for how we can sustainably move forward. We've got a

[49:07] lot of data so we can make some informed decisions. So here are the existing

[49:12] alternative water locations and we'll go into detail for each of these sites

[49:16] momentarily but we have Foothills Community Park, Lomolinda Rio, the Reds

[49:20] and Guardians development complexes as well as Bullard Wash Park 2.

[49:26] So for Foothills Community Park, we're looking at about a 20 acre park that is

[49:30] rich with athletic fields. It's got a playground, but uh we have a heavy

[49:34] reliance upon water for for this park's health and safety. And that water

[49:39] provider is Estraa non-pottable.

[49:44] Next we have Lind Linda Park which is located in historic Goodyear. It's about

[49:47] 5 acres. It's one of those neighborhood parks that I had mentioned previously.

[49:50] Again, ton of green space and this one relies on uh Aendale School District

[49:55] wellwater. Rio Po Park is about 14 acres. This park

[50:01] does have a water feature as well as an irrigation pond that we use to uh boost

[50:06] into and then uh pump out into the irrigation distribution. This is on

[50:11] utilities uh for this utility source is uh Liberty non-pottable

[50:18] for the Reds and Guardians development complexes. uh this is a part of the

[50:22] overall uh ballpark footprint and this uses a portfolio of three sources of

[50:28] water namely PGA south remediated water city of goodyear potable as well as

[50:32] reclaimed I would say 90 to 95% of this is on the remediated water supply but we

[50:37] have to have uh the other two sources as a contingency

[50:43] for Bullard Wash Park phase 2 it's about 31 acres it's mostly used as a linear

[50:49] park system for for trails hiking bike, but there's a ton of green space within

[50:53] the system that has to be uh kept healthy and alive. This one is on

[50:58] Liberty Utilities non-potable. So, right now with our existing acreage,

[51:03] uh our non-pottable uh irrigation acreage is about 27%. As our system

[51:09] expands and grows and we consider some opportunities, we think we can get it

[51:13] reasonably up to about 75% of of our uh irrigated acreage on a non-pottable or

[51:19] alternative water source. Some current challenges that we're

[51:24] working through are reliability, availability, and cost. And I'll go into

[51:28] definition of each of these, but these are important to consider as we look at

[51:31] these opportunities. So for reliability we have to look at uh

[51:37] with some of our existing sources disruptions due to inability inability

[51:41] to meet quality requirements especially when it comes to the reclaimed water and

[51:46] uh treating that those saline levels being high have adverse effects on our

[51:50] uh turf and soil and also in the event that they're not able to meet our water

[51:56] quality standards. There's disruption in service and and that they can't uh

[52:00] distribute water to us. And so we have to find alternative we we got to have

[52:05] the alternative sources available and on hand should that occur.

[52:12] Also availability. So when we look at um you know our complete park system we

[52:17] have to look at those adjacent water sources where they're distributing to as

[52:23] well as some infrastructure and containment. So when it comes to

[52:28] irrigation water for instance, we have to have some containment whether it be

[52:33] groundwater storage, elevated storage or a pond system because you're boosting

[52:37] out of the reservoir into the holding tank and then you've got to have enough

[52:41] PSI to distribute this water effectively through your irrigation system.

[52:48] And with cost, we have to look at the ongoing cost of potable water. We know

[52:52] this is probably our most expensive source and also we want to ensure we

[52:55] divert it back to the residents for human consumption but also there's a

[52:59] associated cost uh increase or at least onetime increase for some of these

[53:03] alternative sources because you have to build that infrastructure with each of

[53:07] these projects. So some future opportunities that we've

[53:12] identified uh working with the RIID uh water providers for some adjacent sites.

[53:18] Again, I'll go into more details momentarily, but we also see some uh

[53:22] upside and opportunity with increasing our our capacity and our production for

[53:28] Goodyear non-pottable water in the future and also extending what we're

[53:32] currently using for the PJ South remediated water.

[53:37] So again, here's a quick snapshot of our park system and uh those parks that are

[53:42] on those alternative sources that we see this opportunity

[53:47] and some a bit of details about each of these. So with Goodyear Community Park,

[53:51] it's occuring on Liberty Pottable Water. Uh I apologize for discrepancy that may

[53:55] be in your packets. We had this marked earlier as Goodyear water supply, but

[53:59] this is actually on Liberty Pottable. [clears throat]

[54:01] And um there's with the cost of Liberty potable um or even non-pottable versus

[54:08] RIID, there's not a huge savings, but there is some savings to be realized.

[54:11] So, we would probably technically need to to check the uh lower operational

[54:15] costs on this one. There's a one-time cost for um for the pipelines for

[54:19] distribution, but we think those ongoing costs will be will be cheaper for uh

[54:24] Goodyear recreation campus phases one and two. phase one. We would love to

[54:28] retrofit and we're looking for opportunities to build a sustainable

[54:32] path forward for water usage at the at phase two which is actually coming

[54:37] before you all for an update uh next month and we'll be able to dive into

[54:42] more of those details in terms of costs and opportunities

[54:47] with Rio Po Park. It's on Liberty Utilities non-pottable. We see this

[54:52] although it's non-pottable there is a somewhat of an issue when it comes to

[54:56] the reliability of that water for instance if it's not ready if we don't

[55:00] have the quantities that we need for distribution because it doesn't meet the

[55:03] quality standards um then it's just out of service and you know ultimately the

[55:08] park system could suffer because of that limitation that could be short up again

[55:13] on a case-byase basis we want to consider all options before us so

[55:17] Bullard Wash park uh two is currently on Liberty Utilities non-p potable RID is

[55:24] an adjacent water source and we see this as a sustainable sustainable path

[55:28] forward as well. Uh although same thing with the cost considerations on that

[55:32] because it is really cheap source with Liberty non-pottable even versus the RI

[55:38] with Rosco Dog Park. Uh this is a site that we have earmarked as a possible

[55:42] customer for Goodyear non-pottable water system. As that systems expands it's

[55:46] it's really close to the existing facility. And last but not least,

[55:50] Goodyear ballpark. Uh we would love to expand our utilization of remediated

[55:56] water to also provide service to the ballpark

[56:01] and this would be substantially cheaper. So with cost comparisons by supplier, we

[56:07] have a quick illustration and I I've touched on these already a bit earlier,

[56:11] but uh I'll just give you all time to sort of compare some of these costs. I

[56:16] won't go through each one of them, but uh you can see that ultimately potable

[56:20] water is substantially more expensive than some of these alter all of these

[56:24] alternative sources.

[56:28] » Okay. So for next steps, we want again we want to prioritize those

[56:32] opportunities as they come up in the uh those uh that five-year CIP uh park

[56:39] project update. We've got one coming up next month with GRC phase two. Again, we

[56:44] if we identify the opportunity, the next step is to to coordinate with our water

[56:47] partner to ensure that all of our uh systems are aligned and the timing is

[56:52] right for uh for their benefit as well. Uh we see, you know, potentially good

[56:58] partnerships. We've been in discussion with some of these groups such as

[57:00] Roosevelt and, you know, both parks and and the irrigation district being in the

[57:04] forever business. They're losing their a partners. We're expanding our park

[57:08] system and so we see a ton of upside and opportunity there. And then with

[57:11] implementation, again, that'll be on a case-by case basis that we'll bring back

[57:14] for your consideration, whether it be in the CIP update process or the annual

[57:18] budget process. And at this time, uh, Barb and I are

[57:22] available to take any questions that you all may have.

[57:25] » Okay, who's up? >> No, I'll just go around this way. How's

[57:31] that? Go ahead. >> Sounds good. Thank you, mayor. Um, I I

[57:36] definitely support the direction and look forward to the discussions going

[57:40] ahead. Um, I guess

[57:46] one of the things I want to make sure we're

[57:49] concerned about when moving to non-p portable water will be probably the

[57:54] salinity in it. Um, you know, we do have some nice parks

[58:00] expanding. We want to build nice parks. We want our communities to have nice

[58:04] parks. My concern with, you know, heavy volume of salt and there is potentially

[58:11] you water the grass, you still kill the grass. You water the tree, you just you

[58:15] still kill the trees. Is making sure that we don't just

[58:20] do it for the sake of saving every penny that we possibly can,

[58:26] but at the same time, moving in that direction is a good thing. So I I just

[58:30] kind of wanted to register that as we like the previous

[58:36] discussion head towards the budget phase. I just

[58:40] kind of wanted to throw that out there. It's not really a question. It's a

[58:44] concern that I have. That's all >> ready.

[58:50] » Um where would this pond be that we're talking about for

[58:55] overflow or whatever? Where would that be held? Or would that water be held?

[59:00] » This be for GRC phase 2 or >> the pond you were talking about,

[59:04] whatever it was you were talking about just a few minutes ago about where water

[59:07] would be held. >> Oh, that would be if we had a if we had

[59:10] opportunity to use uh irrigation district water, we would need a

[59:14] containment pond. So, that would vary by site and some opportunities. It's, you

[59:17] know, retrofitting may not be feasible for some of the existing parks, but for

[59:21] the construction of a new site, that would be, you know, something identified

[59:24] in the schematic phase. And so, for instance, next week with GRC phase 2, we

[59:29] will show some a couple of concepts that would demonstrate that.

[59:32] » Would there be more than one of those around the city or just would be there

[59:36] reason would there be a reason to be more than one? There could potentially

[59:39] on on a case-by case basis there is one existing with Rio Park and um that it's

[59:45] it's seen as a water feature but really it's an irrigation holding pond.

[59:48] » Okay. Do they have any trouble with mosquitoes or anything with that kind of

[59:52] » the actual water feature uh is going to uh basically airate the water and so

[59:57] » that we don't have that. Okay. And it's really nice to hear you finally come

[1:00:00] before us and say something. >> I'm really glad. Thank you,

[1:00:04] » Wally. I just want the

[1:00:10] the golf courses and any of the public uh grassy area just use the non-per. It

[1:00:15] just makes sense and we we know that we have certain areas that we have to put

[1:00:20] in a water fountain and that's good water, but it just makes sense to do

[1:00:24] that. And because we're in the desert, as much water features as we can do that

[1:00:30] will enhance what we have. I would like to see that just because every, you

[1:00:36] know, the for the extension of our um Goodyear recreation campus, they

[1:00:45] wanted to do a fishing pond and I under I can get that because Leville Park has

[1:00:49] a nice fishing pond and the kids go over there and fish a couple times a year and

[1:00:53] that's maybe not feasible to us, but maybe we can put a little water feature

[1:00:58] in there or something just something unique. So, thank you for bringing it

[1:01:03] forward. Barb's on on it right on the top. I'll tell you,

[1:01:07] » Laura, anything. >> Go ahead.

[1:01:12] » And now I'll come.

[1:01:16] » Thank you. [laughter]

[1:01:20] » All right, let's go to slide four. Uh, if you don't mind, we've got um the

[1:01:24] potable and non-pottable water. And then uh I didn't realize those three columns

[1:01:29] below are actually a definition when when I got my packet. Uh but I um

[1:01:37] here the potable water is obviously the most

[1:01:40] expensive one and you put that on another slide. You didn't necessarily

[1:01:44] put a a cost for the non-pottable water. But one of the things I wanted to um

[1:01:49] share with anybody interested in the public and surprisingly people are

[1:01:53] interested in water um discussions is the fact that um there is a value to

[1:01:59] non-pottable water. So uh besides for uh using it for irrigation, it gives us

[1:02:06] opportunities to put it back in the ground and get credits for it. So it's

[1:02:10] it's not something that um doesn't have a value. It does have a value. So um

[1:02:16] considering when we are looking at irrigation

[1:02:20] uh if we're putting it on turf then we're not getting credits for it to put

[1:02:23] it. So it need that needs to be um a conscious decision and the this has been

[1:02:30] talked about before from the dis. I mean, the water department is the

[1:02:33] largest water water user in the city of Goodyear, obviously. Um, and you know,

[1:02:39] that is taxpayer money that pays the water bills, but uh certainly quality of

[1:02:45] life, uh, sports, just amenities, people want and need parks and recreation. And

[1:02:52] that is when we look at that, we want to budget our water also. I mean, not

[1:02:58] everything can have all the water and and so we have to uh kind of pick and

[1:03:04] choose. So, I just want to clarify that um the non-pottable water um does have a

[1:03:11] a monetary value or a I guess maybe a statutory value as well.

[1:03:18] Um but it is we're very fortunate that we also have these other uh sources such

[1:03:24] as the Roosevelt irrigation district and um although we're not thrilled that we

[1:03:29] have the remediated water the reason for it but the fact that we can actually use

[1:03:34] that and for for a large um water users is really important. So if we look at

[1:03:41] slide

[1:03:44] um 12, until today I thought that this was an

[1:03:51] HOA park. I had no idea it was a city park.

[1:03:56] Um, in the time that I've been on council, I know that there was one time

[1:04:01] that I I went there on city business and it was precoid and we were going to

[1:04:07] different neighborhood associations or HOAs. they were doing, I don't know,

[1:04:11] like a good neighbor day and we stopped there and

[1:04:17] that's the only time I've been there. I thought it was a HOA park and um and uh

[1:04:23] so it was kind of a surprise to find out that it's a city park because we don't

[1:04:27] program it as far as I can tell. I don't know that we've ever actually done

[1:04:32] anything there. I know parking is limited to neighborhood parking, but

[1:04:36] it's a, you know, 14 14 acres. I mean, it's it's definitely a different size,

[1:04:41] but um I appreciated meeting with Keany and Rachel today to go over this that

[1:04:48] that was really helpful because yeah, the question was, does this this water

[1:04:52] fulfill a purpose? Can you elaborate on what this water does?

[1:05:00] » Yeah, this is actually used to irrigate the park. So, it's

[1:05:03] » which park? >> Uh Rio Pose. So all the green space

[1:05:06] there is is what it's used for. It's it's pumped out of there and distributed

[1:05:10] through the irrigation system. >> Okay. I know it it's a is the is the

[1:05:16] park itself more than 14 acres or does the 14 acres include the water? I it's

[1:05:22] not clear. >> Yeah, I'm not sure.

[1:05:24] » It's a pretty big water feature. >> My assumption is it includes the

[1:05:28] footprint for the water containment area as well within this, you know, the

[1:05:31] overall space. >> Okay.

[1:05:33] Um,

[1:05:37] okay. I I'll get back to that one. Um, the next one is slide uh 14 and this is

[1:05:45] the Bullard Wash Park, too. Um, this is sort of a tucked away hidden thing. It's

[1:05:50] listed as an amenity for walking and biking. Certainly, it's amenity for the

[1:05:55] multifamily that has gone up there. They have a view of water. But can you tell

[1:06:01] me what that water is used for? >> That's also used to irrigate the uh the

[1:06:07] boardwash >> the whole entire space. Okay. So that

[1:06:11] that itself is 31 acres of water that also evaporates and uh the Rio Po water

[1:06:22] evaporates al also. Okay. Um, I had no idea that we had this much open water. I

[1:06:30] knew we had at the ballpark. I know we were discussing at GRC. So, it was a a

[1:06:35] little bit of a a revelation to find out that we we had this much. Um,

[1:06:45] that's it's great presentation by the way. It's just a lot to scroll through.

[1:06:51] Um so if I'm now at slide 24 um

[1:06:58] I think that anything that is a Goodyear amenity that is on potable water

[1:07:04] definitely support looking at alternatives for that because the cost

[1:07:08] of that is the highest and um as we've been talking about it would be great to

[1:07:15] get uh GRC um ballpark off of our water portfoli IO

[1:07:20] that gives allows us to use water for other things. Um and then um even if we

[1:07:30] found other sources then we I mean it looks like really the only

[1:07:35] thing we might in this batch the uh use our Goodyear non-pottable water for

[1:07:41] would be the dog park. uh which mean we wouldn't be using it for other things

[1:07:46] and we can put it back into the ground or maybe in the future for advanced

[1:07:49] water purification but for now back in the ground and get our our muchneeded

[1:07:54] storage credit. So I I am really supportive of a plan to get us off the

[1:07:59] non-pottable I mean off the potable water and granted the cost of the

[1:08:04] infrastructure is going to have to be factored in but um certainly the RIID is

[1:08:10] runs by the community park it runs by PO and it runs by this Bullard Wash park.

[1:08:18] So hopefully that would be something that would be um become cost-effective.

[1:08:25] Um on slide 26 when you have the water source comparison maybe when you come

[1:08:30] back you can put what the cost is for the the reclaimed effulent water costs

[1:08:34] because that that is missing from that equation. Um our water is quite

[1:08:41] expensive. Um but yet it's less than potable potable water portable water. So

[1:08:46] I mean that that is different definite use. Um and and I guess my only um thing

[1:08:54] is as we evaluate that we have certain maybe parks or water features that we've

[1:09:00] had for a long time and as the cost of water is going up substantially. We're

[1:09:05] going to have to determine what the return on our investment is going to be.

[1:09:10] And as uh looking at a uh for for example, Rio Po um we have this large

[1:09:18] amenity uh for that that neighborhood which looks like a a neighborhood. I

[1:09:25] mean a like an HOA park, but it turns out it's a city park. We don't again we

[1:09:29] don't program. I mean there as the cost of water goes up and things we may have

[1:09:33] to determine how we're going to best allocate. And I I just don't want us to

[1:09:38] be in the mindset, well, we've always done this and so we'll just keep funding

[1:09:42] it forever. I mean, at some point the the water becomes expensive for the

[1:09:49] taxpayers too and and you have to balance it with what is the usage uh

[1:09:55] what what are the residents getting from it when we spend that that water money.

[1:09:59] So, um that's my um my only cont, you know, if things sort of look like maybe

[1:10:07] they're just a passive thing. Um whether or not that makes sense, but

[1:10:12] it's it's interesting as we're talking about maybe putting more things on RID,

[1:10:16] it looks like we'll have more ponds. And I I think that that

[1:10:22] that's an important thing to note because again then we continue to deal

[1:10:25] with the um evaporation and maybe uh becoming sort of an attractive nuisance

[1:10:31] for others and and things like that. But anyway, I I applaud the effort to look

[1:10:37] at our system objectively be coste effective. I mean you're going to have

[1:10:42] to balance the cost of the infrastructure versus the benefit, but

[1:10:45] then for how many years? And so there's definitely a lot of things to it, but I

[1:10:50] think this is a conversation that we've needed to have and I really appreciate

[1:10:53] that today. Thank you. >> You're up.

[1:10:58] » All right. Yeah. Thank you, Barb and T and David. Welcome. Welcome to Goodyear

[1:11:02] again. So, thank you for coming out. Yeah. Thank you for your both

[1:11:06] creativity. I think all these little tiny changes and upgrades over I mean

[1:11:10] with all the portfolio that we have, but I mean this is one part of that

[1:11:14] portfolio. So, thank you for being continue to be creative and proactive

[1:11:17] and trying to look for ways to save money, save water, and be more efficient

[1:11:20] with our water. Um, I had a quick question, a couple questions here. Um,

[1:11:25] does do we still use the purple pipe and would this be purple pipe? And which

[1:11:28] water is purple pipe water? >> Reclaimed water is the purple pipe

[1:11:33] water. So, that is the treated waste water. So, the Liberty non-potable um

[1:11:41] parks that are served by Liberty non-potable are purple pipe parks.

[1:11:45] » Okay. Okay. Thank you. I thought we still I thought we still used it. I

[1:11:49] thought we still used it when I I mean, >> so I just curious about that.

[1:11:53] » And then I know we have these ponds and I know council member Kano was talking

[1:11:58] about the ponds. Um, I know we're not going to build any more new recreational

[1:12:02] ponds, but is there a opportunity to if we're going to have a pond, large ponds,

[1:12:07] to put fish in there for recreation? >> Typically, fish are used in a a water

[1:12:14] storage supply more for maintenance of the of the lake or the pond or the

[1:12:20] storage facility, whatever you want to call it. They're they're really

[1:12:24] containment to store the water so that it's on demand when the park needs it

[1:12:29] for its irrigation. And in order to maintain that, the most cost effective

[1:12:35] way is to stock it with fish that will eat algae or other um grasses,

[1:12:42] » clean the, you know, stuff off the bottoms. So, there's usually fish in

[1:12:46] there. None of our um storage facilities are fishing. They don't there's no

[1:12:51] fishing allowed in any of our parks. That's not what they're for.

[1:12:54] » Yeah. I just if there's a two two things we can do while we're doing the one

[1:12:58] thing and it's also comes an amenity for recreation as well. Obviously, you're

[1:13:02] not eating those kind of fish because you wouldn't want to eat that water. So,

[1:13:07] » in my experience, if you get into the fishing arena, then you get into game

[1:13:11] and fish and they they'll manage your they have to manage that lake.

[1:13:15] » I'm just looking up to opportunities. If we already have a large body of water

[1:13:18] that we're going to have anyway, might as well if we can make a couple of

[1:13:21] opportunities out of it potentially, that'd be great great benefit for the

[1:13:26] residents a couple different ways. So, and then

[1:13:30] do the HOAs use the same water? Have we had conversations with them? If we're

[1:13:34] expanding and I'm sure they want to save water as well, they way for them to be a

[1:13:39] user of that water to create, I'm sure, more demand. I know you said there a

[1:13:43] supply issue potentially. maybe we don't have the place to do that, but I'm sure

[1:13:48] they would love to be part of the system if possible. So, I was curious to have

[1:13:52] those conversations. >> We do have um uh some HOA conservation

[1:13:57] um programs that our staff will go out and and work with them on. And we've

[1:14:02] been working with some of the the new schools that have been locating on

[1:14:07] irrigation prop, you know, on the project lands. So, in RID service area,

[1:14:13] we've had a couple new schools. We've been trying to kind of persuade them to

[1:14:18] use that irrigation supply. I'm not going to force them to. Yeah.

[1:14:22] » But certainly once they start getting those portable water bills, I think it

[1:14:26] starts looking more attractive to them too. So yes, we do

[1:14:30] » as a conservation and just as our staff reviews plans if we have a potential if

[1:14:36] there's an alternate supply close by, we usually try to suggest it.

[1:14:40] » Yeah, I think it'd be a great opportunity. I mean, the less bottled

[1:14:43] water they're using, the better we can use it for residents. And yeah, I think

[1:14:47] it Yeah, just to make sure that we're not we're advertising it, but that or at

[1:14:50] least that they're aware of it if we're expanding these lines and letting people

[1:14:55] know that they that might be a potential for those large irrigation users that

[1:14:59] are like it's like a park like the schools. Some schools have pretty large

[1:15:04] areas that are watered very frequently as well. So, but yeah, no, like I said,

[1:15:09] I really appreciate you bringing bringing this to us. Continue to I'm

[1:15:13] very supportive. So, continue to bring um any new ideas, things like that that

[1:15:18] we can help save water, make it more efficient, and have more cost savings.

[1:15:21] So, thank you very much. >> You know, great discussion with council.

[1:15:25] The only thing I want to add is that um you know, drop saved is one we don't

[1:15:29] have to pump. So, when you're putting plants or anything around out the parks,

[1:15:33] look for the ones that use less water. uh you know that still keep it green but

[1:15:37] use less water and the type of shrubs that maybe don't grow as fast so you

[1:15:40] don't have to spend as much money trimming them. So that's kind of where

[1:15:43] my sign is as far from cost standpoint when it comes to comes to the park. So

[1:15:47] with that uh thank you and with I'm going to go to any comments from the

[1:15:52] council

[1:15:55] » Barbara. Have we had any discussion or any thought that we would drill our own

[1:15:59] wells? Do we have the ability to do that? I know we're we've got the other

[1:16:04] wells that were in the super fund those wells but there do we do we do that can

[1:16:12] we do that >> I mean we have uh we have several wells

[1:16:16] in our system that's where we get a good part of our portable supply is from

[1:16:21] wells so yeah we do have some >> some options for some irrigation wells

[1:16:27] and >> okay

[1:16:28] » that could be a potential >> okay for Rio Po uh the council may not

[1:16:33] be aware that when we have the floods, it floods right through Pebble Creek. It

[1:16:38] goes right into Rayo Po. So, it just it's, you know, it's it's a lot

[1:16:44] of water. So, that's why you don't have picnic areas and ball fields over there

[1:16:48] because it'll wash away, but it's a it drains all the way down because we're

[1:16:52] part of the Bullard Wash literally. and and uh we do water the Bullard wash area

[1:16:58] to keep it green, but we are using the non-pottable water. So,

[1:17:05] » that's it. Thank you. >> Anything from council? Any comments?

[1:17:10] We all good? How about the manager? >> No, sir. We appreciate your time this

[1:17:14] evening. Thank you so much. >> All right. Oh, I like that final remarks

[1:17:18] there. Those are perfect. With that, meeting ajourned. [laughter]

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