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[1:17] I have three o'clock a call to order the uh the special call

[1:23] meeting which is a request

[1:28] of three board members

[1:33] um today Thursday December the 1st

[1:38] okay for the purpose of discussion of real

[1:43] estate tax trash days

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[1:49] Mr Smith would you like to leave us a notification okay

[1:57] thank you

[2:01] stating that they serve to our citizens of Grayson County Branch should be worth

[2:06] it today in this special colony thank you

[2:12] pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[2:17] Republic for which he stands one nation for under God indivisible with liberty

[2:32] and it's uh we'll go to the approval agenda and consent agenda

[2:39] contrary entertain a motion to accept the gymnastics

[2:43] okay on the players

[2:55] to discuss for deferring penalties and interest for non-payment of real estate

[3:01] taxes and trash fees

[3:10] yes uh Mr chairman a uh emergency ordinance has been prepared

[3:19] the direction of our Academy attorney and the board members has that for

[3:25] reviews and generation and so

[3:30] it's like that

[3:35] on the item and then the importance of it it would need to be ready

[3:41] that way at this time of consideration thank you okay

[3:48] an ordinance to establish a different accrual date for penalty and interest on

[3:52] the 2022 real estate real property taxes and it's always ways to be due on

[3:58] December the 5th 2022 whereas the Board of Supervisors of Grayson County

[4:04] Virginia and board recognizes the hardships imposed on the citizens of the

[4:10] county as a result of the lingering effects of covid-19

[4:15] pandemic supply chain disruptions and high level of inflation and wishes to

[4:21] provide relief to citizens who may have been negatively impacted by the current

[4:26] economic climate pan whereas the board wishes to provide relief to Citizens by

[4:32] providing an ordinance with the authority provided under the Virginia

[4:37] code 51

[4:41] 58.1-3916 penalty and interest will not begin to accrue on any unpaid real

[4:47] property taxes for the tax year 2022 unless such taxes are unpaid as of

[4:54] February 1 2023 and whereas the board recognizes that relate from penalty and

[5:02] interest in the current extraordinary circumstances should not function to

[5:07] reward delinquencies from private year to Prior years and therefore intends

[5:12] that can delayed accrual a penalty and interest provided by this ordinance will

[5:17] only be effective for tax year 2022 and whereas the Board of Supervisors desires

[5:24] to provide additional relief to the public by extending the employee make

[5:29] profanity and renters for late payment of the County's solid waste collection

[5:34] and Disposal fee which is collected along with one of the taxes

[5:39] whereas the board wishes to adopt this measure as an emergency ordinance to

[5:49] 15.2-41427 F of the code of Virginia 1950 as amended in order to put the

[5:58] contemplated relief into effect prior to the previously established tax due date

[6:06] ordained by the Board of Supervisors of Grayson County Virginia

[6:11] penalty and interest for real property taxes for tax year 2022 as such funds

[6:18] and rates are otherwise established by the ordinance or other measures here too

[6:23] for adopted shall accrue for the tax year 2022 only on amounts remaining

[6:30] unpaid as of February 1 20 23. any real property taxes paid for tax year 2022

[6:40] prior to February 1 2023 which I'll incur no penalty and interest and be a

[6:48] further ordained at the penalty penalty and interest for the county solid waste

[6:53] collection and Disposal fees as such fee is established by the ordinance here 2-4

[6:59] adopted shall accrue for the year 2022 only

[7:04] on the mounts remaining unpaid hours off February 1 20 23. any solid waste

[7:13] collection and Disposal fees due on December the 5th 2022 but paid but I

[7:19] think we were in the first 2023 shout incur no penalty and interest

[7:25] we have further ordained that your relief provided herein shall apply only

[7:30] to real property taxes and the solid waste collection disposal fees for the

[7:35] year 2022. and no relief provided here under shall

[7:40] apply to the unpaid amounts from priorities

[7:44] coins of tax years and delinquent amounts for any other

[7:49] year shall continue to accrue penalty and interest without abatement of any

[7:55] kind and be it further ordained that this ordinance is adopted as an

[8:00] emergency measure this first day of December 2022 pursuant to

[8:09] 15.2-1427f as the code of Virginia 1950 has amended and shall be affected for a

[8:15] period of 60 days Hereafter unless repeal amended or re-adopted and conform

[8:21] doing what the provisions of such section his ordinance shall be I think

[8:27] immediately adopted by the fallen and recorded folks this first day of

[8:32] December 2022.

[8:36] but

[8:42] um

[8:44] [Music] passing ordinance has read

[8:53] a motion in a second and opens the board for discussion

[8:58] do you want to wish to speak and just find like this thank you guys for

[9:03] chilling up and listening and now I'm running your phones after that we've

[9:07] exchanged emails and I truly appreciate the efforts you guys have put in and the

[9:13] time you took out to hear the folks and listen to me dick or any event so I do

[9:20] appreciate it

[9:22] stupid

[9:27] um initially

[9:31] I did not think that we need to know

[9:36] all right so you got I've had zero phone calls and just one two three y'all

[9:46] well what the reason I

[9:52] really end the resolution fact that some people that didn't get

[9:56] the tax tickets could Tuesday and I don't really have it

[10:03] to me this makes sense just from the timing of

[10:07] your tax tickets everybody knows they're taxing to do I think

[10:11] we did a lot of stuff back in July to help ease the tax burden as much as we

[10:17] could

[10:20] for me it's common with that stick okay

[10:25] yeah I guess probably that coach would supervisor Riley said you know we

[10:31] there's two issues to play I think any time we talk about taxes and that's

[10:35] that's great the third tax rate is what we pay tax

[10:39] burden is can we pay and the tax rate you know we adjusted

[10:45] that I think uh pretty effectively for based on ultimately Services you know

[10:52] the services that

[10:57] provide

[11:01] and in this particular case you know the real estate assessment was adjusted

[11:06] based on the changes in real estate and also because of the personal

[11:12] property challenges specifically with the used cars in that particular case

[11:18] you know we uh the used cars that don't don't up in value which was pretty

[11:24] unprecedented at St John the state

[11:27] legislature passed in ordinance that or less reason that we had really taken

[11:33] into consideration so I think we do that some of the effects of that though is

[11:38] the deferment of delay of payment of the personal property

[11:43] potentially impacted unintentionally or unknowingly

[11:48] uh the ability for people to pay this time

[11:52] and so uh that to me kind of played into it

[11:58] but at the end of the day I wasn't in favor of moving the day or even in

[12:04] deferring anything initially because it begins to then push it into

[12:10] the personal property payment again in June and so we just got a you know

[12:16] predictability brings a little bit of

[12:22] stress relief and and good governance you know and being and being a taxes

[12:27] have been doing Grayson County probably forever in December so that was kind of

[12:32] where I was at but after speaking with uh supervisor

[12:37] Anderson several times and also the supervisor Isaac I mean we've all spoke

[12:41] I think where it came down to me and again personal example is we got our

[12:46] family got our tax tickets Friday last Friday

[12:50] and uh and then I got a call the first call

[12:53] that I've gotten on this issue uh was today's waiting for this Boardman

[12:59] meeting that the person who moved uh they submitted the change of address

[13:07] that didn't take in the system and their tax didn't get ticketed up to

[13:14] him late and then they sent a certified check or

[13:18] certified letter with the check in it he got returned so

[13:22] when I came came to realize is that the issues that we had with it back in

[13:28] October which affected more than just the Commission of Revenue and the

[13:32] treasury also affected our registrar's office and the judge everybody

[13:38] that probably had as big of affect if anything on tax tickets getting out and

[13:43] being available for folks to be able to and plan ahead and so with that

[13:50] recognition similar to what supervisor ivy

[13:54] it just kind of made sense at this point if there was

[14:00] to no fault of any citizens whether it was

[14:05] uh statutorily on time

[14:10] if if there was something that the county

[14:13] had something happen that no fault necessarily anybody per se but it just

[14:17] things just didn't happen that delayed the arrival of those tax tickets and it

[14:22] kind of made sense in this particular case

[14:25] so that's kind of why I came around to the idea of deferring interest in and uh

[14:31] and penalties until the end of January thanks Mr chair

[14:37] s all this was first brought up we worked

[14:41] on like 90 days which we're putting back up into personal property February first

[14:46] is not a big deal I don't think uh you can help somebody

[14:51] I just didn't want to enable people to let things build up because

[14:58] that's common nature and let things build up and then it would be

[15:03] subject for another disaster we did that Through the Fire Company

[15:08] north and wind up with great big deals in Bayonne and guess what I got the fire

[15:15] cut off his films I don't want to enable people for disaster uh February 1st I'm

[15:22] fine with I would like to talk about sometime

[15:26] maybe and I talked to Mr long about it is

[15:30] getting the tax tickets out say in October

[15:34] so they got plenty of time everybody knows it's coming

[15:39] maybe if I got the bills in my hand in October and then I have the December the

[15:44] 5th and don't put the burden on the treasurer's office

[15:48] work together make this thing work the thing that we don't care about the

[15:53] citizens that's what we're in here to do um

[15:57] some people say that ain't what we're doing but we are

[16:01] uh I'm agreeable with February first I don't think another month is gonna

[16:08] miraculous uh hopefully everybody worked together like the same world

[16:15] of I'm probably not a self speaker

[16:21] fellow board members so I had right now and I I want to talk so I wanted to

[16:26] to get out I was elected to the board to represent

[16:31] the citizens of the Providence District that's what I want to do

[16:36] I'm always interested in ensuring that I support good services and programs for

[16:41] our citizens while trying to be a good Steward I'm

[16:46] there in my own tax dollars most of all treating everyone fairly

[16:53] whatever station of Life they're in and these harder hard Economic Times

[17:00] that we're all enduring so I want to speak to this issue

[17:06] but first lifelong resident of Grayson County

[17:10] as far as I can remember taxes have been due on December the 5th

[17:16] real estate Landings were set in June which were lowered published in the

[17:22] papers tax tickets were mailed out according to

[17:26] Virginia code at least 14 days in advance actually 18 days according to

[17:32] staff

[17:34] May certain in a workshop meeting we as a board approved the commissioner of

[17:40] revenues 30 votes recommendations to provide

[17:44] further relief to our Elder and disabled citizens of 65

[17:48] and older by increasing the eligibility levels for

[17:53] someone with income less than thirty thousand dollars

[17:56] and net worth of less than a hundred thousand dollars giving them a 300 tax

[18:02] credit relief

[18:05] uh we returned or cut personal property by

[18:11] 28 on average to our citizens and move dates back to September

[18:18] but today today's December the 1st Monday is a deadline December the 5th

[18:26] a quick check with the treasurer's office just yesterday they took in

[18:31] around a million dollars in tax revenues

[18:35] and about half the citizens have paid my question

[18:40] what about them what can we do for them at this point

[18:46] it's sincere from the heart question why

[18:54] uh what if they struggled and make the difficult choice to pay taxes and forego

[19:00] another need such as ball powers on vehicle medication or power pay the

[19:07] power bills if this was an issue that should have

[19:11] been addressed why Monday a week ago why not two months ago why not a month

[19:17] ago could have supported it

[19:22] I have not received first call from my district regarding a request for that

[19:27] tax relief in fact I received a call from a citizen to state

[19:33] that is not needed and this is a blue collar worker every day

[19:38] citizen I did receive one message text uh

[19:43] messenger text on Facebook wanted to know if I supported this for

[19:48] the elderly which we did in May I made trips to the usual gathering

[19:54] places in my district last few days not one person has pushed for support

[20:00] for mentioned it

[20:04] so I don't know the urgency on it

[20:09] my point is we

[20:13] are denying at least half our citizenry this privilege

[20:20] okay and you say well they probably had the

[20:24] money and because that's why they pay you taxes

[20:27] I've paid my taxes because before work

[20:32] because I knew it was due and I had to get it done and so I went ahead and

[20:35] spent the money and I think that's a mindset of a lot of people

[20:40] okay our county has proven to be very lenient on delinquent taxes

[20:45] it takes three years before action is taken

[20:50] and one it's the process it started it can extend for months if not years

[20:58] now going back to getting calls from citizens

[21:02] I think I've got a call about a half hour before I left come up here

[21:08] and uh it was from a young man who has a young

[21:13] family in my district and he's trying to run a business

[21:18] and he's trying to be a cattle farmer and he said he's not going to be able to

[21:24] make the deadlines so I know there is people they do have

[21:28] issues but I asked my fellow board members

[21:33] what can we do for these people that you've already already paid your taxes

[21:37] and didn't uh diligent in doing this and is it fair I put that question to you

[21:44] and uh

[21:49] I have to say any other discussion before we take a

[21:54] real combo just to answer you a question about fairness I don't think this was a

[22:00] fairness issue I think this was an issue to to help folks who may be in need

[22:07] and understanding that a lot of the taxes have been collected and there's

[22:12] going to be probably by December 5th a lot more

[22:16] collected so we may be talking about 45 of the taxpayers or 15 of their

[22:24] taxpayers but if those are citizens in need and they are taxpayers and they're

[22:29] hard-working taxpayers I've not met one individual in the

[22:34] county that's already paid their taxes that has an issue with someone else

[22:38] getting some help or an extension as far as the dependencies and interests times

[22:45] that would be my response to that we do a lot of things we spend a lot of money

[22:51] in here that doesn't always cover

[22:57] every citizen of every area of the county

[23:02] um so the issue of fairness because I know

[23:06] that that that was the initial pushback that that I got when I raised this issue

[23:12] and you know we just approved from what I understand

[23:17] sixty thousand dollars for an x-ray machine

[23:20] for freeze um to my knowledge the Grant Community

[23:25] don't have an x-ray machine exactly

[23:28] so there's a lot of you know the fairness debate I don't think is what

[23:33] this is about I think it's about helping folks times are tough and that's what

[23:38] this is about as far as the 90 days which I was pushing originally my

[23:45] thoughts on that were I did get feedback and even from people in your District

[23:49] that said if you give them 90 days that takes them to getting back income tax

[23:55] returns for a lot of people and that might lighten the load so that was the

[24:01] initial push I think 60 days is is a good good marker and I you know agree

[24:06] with agreed with that I will agree with that

[24:09] and uh that's that's where I am with it and I do appreciate everybody coming out

[24:14] having the discussion and and addressing the issue okay that's all

[24:19] I have understood and I might speak to unless someone else has something I

[24:23] might just picked up a couple of points so I didn't put the X-ray machine was

[24:27] approved I wasn't aware of that and that is good news for my district but it's

[24:32] easy okay

[24:36] okay and and to another point

[24:41] you know not everybody benefits by certain programs and uh

[24:47] services that came out but there is one common denominator among all those

[24:52] citizens they pay taxes all right

[24:58] so uh can you further discussion okay picosis is a resolution there will

[25:05] be a road call vote

[25:09] uh

[25:14] yes Mr fan yes Mr Ivy yes the church thanks

[25:31] any further business uh

[25:41] five or six five percent

[25:45] oh [Music]

[25:50] you know

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