[0:00] Perfect.

[0:04] » Okay. Like to call to order the Burough Tree Council workshop meeting for

[0:08] Monday, August 10th, 2026. Uh can we stand for the pledge of

[0:12] allegiance, please?

[0:16] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[0:21] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:27] justice for all. May we have a roll call, please?

[0:31] » Mr. Allen >> here.

[0:33] » Miss Casy >> here.

[0:35] » Miss Gdovic. >> Miss Marterella.

[0:39] » Mr. Panza >> here.

[0:41] » Miss Schwarz >> here.

[0:45] » Mr. Ray >> here.

[0:46] » Mayor Shank >> present.

[0:48] » Okay. Before we get into the discussion of the Aken and baseball field in Green

[0:52] Street Park, I'll open it up for custom comments. Anything like

[1:02] We have no public comment. So, Mr. Panza, I will hand it off to you for the

[1:06] discussion of the balls. Uh, thank you and thank you for everyone

[1:12] attending this workshop meeting. The purpose of this meeting is to come to a

[1:17] resolution of what we should do with our two baseball fields, Headlock One and

[1:24] Headlock Two. For years and years, volunteers have

[1:29] been maintaining those fields. of course with the help of public works and it is

[1:37] getting harder and harder to maintain the fields and the scheduling of the

[1:42] games is so intense that finally we need to come to a solution to make the fields

[1:50] better for all of us so that our kids can enjoy continuing playing baseball.

[1:57] We have spent we have been very meticulous in maintaining and paving our

[2:03] roads where our roads are in such great shape. So why not treat our baseball

[2:10] fields the same? It is about time that we take our time and come up with a plan

[2:16] so by next year hopefully our kids are playing on a turf field where they're

[2:26] not worrying about getting there an hour before a game and working to maintain

[2:31] it. So how can we do this? Let's figure it out and get this accomplished

[2:36] tonight. >> Okay. So because this is a workshop

[2:41] meeting we can have open discussion. So uh members of the audience if you want

[2:46] to uh have a discussion let the writer note that Miss Gdobic here

[2:53] um we don't have the actually we should probably go up to the podium

[2:58] and >> yeah [clears throat]

[3:01] for the record. >> Okay.

[3:04] » Mr. Manza, do you have any uh supporting evidence or data that you want to share

[3:09] with us to help frame the conversation? >> Yes. Yes. There there was there was

[3:17] originally there are three options. Option number one would be to have come

[3:24] in regrade the field, add additional dirt and make the fields

[3:32] well again with the dirt using uh the same method that we have used in the

[3:38] past. The cost for both fields would be $60,000.

[3:45] However, we've tried this several times and we it may work for about six months

[3:52] and we're back to the same situation of problems with drainage, the fields not

[4:00] in good shape. So, option number two would be to replace both fields entirely

[4:10] with turf. That would cost $1.2 $2 million,

[4:17] which I mean I wish we had an extra couple

[4:21] million dollars laying around, but that Well, wait, no, come to think of it, we

[4:26] do have millions of dollars laying around in that bond issue, but but

[4:30] that's beside the point. Um, option three would be to just replace both

[4:38] infields for about $20ome,000.

[4:43] I talked with the GAA. They thought this was the best plan. I would love to hear

[4:49] if they have any additional comments. However, if we replace both infields

[4:56] with turf, that should be good for years to come.

[5:01] It's it's like an investment in our infrastructure.

[5:06] And as I said before, we have no qualms about paving a road for $200,000.

[5:13] You know, we could this one year take maybe one less road, get our fields in

[5:20] great shape and it would be for the betterment of

[5:25] the entire community. >> Yeah. I don't know if we have to give up

[5:28] paving roads to the ball field. We can certainly look at ways to budget for

[5:34] both. Um, you said one I just want to confirm. You said 1.2 million to replace

[5:39] both fields entirely. So that means the outfield and the infield.

[5:45] » Yes. And then >> and this also includes like like

[5:49] improvements to the this also is a price for the drainage and everything. Unlike

[5:57] when we've had discussions with Point Park where they're you know they're were

[6:01] separate like they were talking about turfing and drainics

[6:06] this is an entire package you know 1.2 two or 200,000.

[6:13] » So you said two

[6:21] » 200 252,000 was the um

[6:27] lowest bid for so far. I mean >> I don't think we put it out the video,

[6:34] have we? >> No. Estim.

[6:37] » Estimates. Do you mean estimates, not random?

[6:43] » And how many

[6:47] » how many bids did we did? How many estimates did we get for uh replacing

[6:52] both deals? >> Uh we've had two estimates so far

[6:57] » from each.

[7:01] Um, we we've had we've had estimates from Astro Turf and I think it's real

[7:07] turf and the lowest the lowest estimates were the um were replacing both fields

[7:16] for approximately $240,000,000.

[7:22] I don't have them in front of me. I would would ask

[7:27] if she does have the actual bids in front of her.

[7:30] » Okay. They're just handed to me. Uh

[7:36] they're estimating

[7:42] please.

[7:48] So the estimates from after turf were for the infield only that was 252,000

[7:57] up to 280,000 depending on the thickness of the turf and that was for both

[8:02] infields. The other estimate for turf for the infield was roughly about 212

[8:08] each, which then included the drainage and all of the other extra items. I do

[8:14] not believe that covers the fencing for the backstock. Those would both still

[8:19] have to be removed and the fences along the dugouts would still have to be

[8:23] replaced as well. Um the uh dura edge estimate is basically the

[8:31] MLB product of rock, red brick and the modern dirt fields that are being used.

[8:39] The issue that you know Mr. Payne's already expressed is that we've seen our

[8:44] local um burrows do this. Um Dormmont basically spent $18,000 on this dirt.

[8:51] They came in, they fielded it, they put it out there, their oil in field, it was

[8:56] gone in 60 days because they didn't address the drainage issues. Then they

[9:00] had to basically buy the dirt again and put it back on top of everything and

[9:05] another five tons. So, um, you know, there's three different there, but the

[9:11] two turf ones are again 250 to 270 for both infields, and then the other

[9:18] one was 22 each for the infields. The Astro Turf company is the company

[9:26] that Point Park is using for their estimates as well. Did you say each or

[9:32] 212 each is the one >> if they do the drainage

[9:35] » infield with the drainage? Astro turf's estimate was 280 for both

[9:42] » and it I believe there's going to be some type of drainage issue. all of

[9:49] these modern products that when people were doing this now, you basically grade

[9:55] the field to lean into the outfield. So the water naturally drains away from

[10:03] home like it is now and it goes into the grass areas so that it actually, you

[10:08] know, is leveled so that like you know one inch drop and it goes into the grass

[10:13] areas and that would be for all three products. All three companies do that

[10:18] same. That's like modern. Just drainage goes into the outfield now where the

[10:22] grass is. And it's that's kind of how you do it. With a turf, you would use

[10:27] maybe some rollers and like you just roll it off. But the dirt stuff, it's

[10:32] designed to roll into the outfit. A couple questions. Do you think that we

[10:38] would need independent testing before the turf people come in? Even though the

[10:43] terrainage

[10:50] I'm not I'm not an engineer. I don't know. I can't

[10:53] » just how much more maybe >> the thing is right now once they would

[10:58] do that the with the grading you don't have to worry about drainage. It's

[11:05] naturally going to be graded into the outfield. So you're talking about where

[11:10] the water instead of taking all the dirt and removing it and creating the

[11:15] undulation so to speak at like certain areas on the field that water naturally

[11:21] would just go into the outfield anyway where the grass is and it's going to

[11:24] soak it up. >> Yeah. I mean could be could that

[11:26] outfield become a swamp?

[11:30] » Well, not not at Hemlock 2 because we addressed those.

[11:33] » Yeah, I was going to say I already thought about that. That's hemlock 2 is

[11:36] no problem there. Headmlock one. I mean, obviously I think that you're going to

[11:40] get a little bit of a mud spot behind the infield. Um, but those aren't

[11:45] natural areas to where a lot of foot traffic happens as far as specifically

[11:50] to softball, baseball, and then that wouldn't necessarily become an issue

[11:55] moving forward. Next, next question. This was

[12:02] » regarding drainage. I did have a discussion with uh the engineers.

[12:07] The amount of excuse [clears throat] me underground installation that has to go

[12:13] for turf um basically any sign synthetic field is

[12:19] significantly more than obviously you would do for a regularly um plain dirt

[12:24] skinned infield. Um there still will need to be some drainage improvement no

[12:32] matter what you do. Um whether you maintain the type of fields

[12:38] we have now or whether you even do improvements with turf. The thing with

[12:43] turf we'll have to excavate down farther. that has both a like a positive

[12:49] impact on some of the drainage issues in that part

[12:54] of that is developed to retain more water and let it dissipate over

[12:59] time. Um, which is good for us because that slows kind of the roll down to the

[13:08] retainage that was put in for heal. Um, the other is if it does create runoff

[13:16] into the other part of the field, you probably want to address some of that to

[13:20] get some of that runoff going somewhere so it didn't turn into um kind of a a

[13:26] deluge in some areas of the field. So, it does have to be that. You probably

[13:31] would not need to do any like uh borings because you're not going to excavate

[13:36] that far. But you definitely would want the entire field to really be viewed

[13:40] from where is the water going and where are we going to put it regardless of

[13:45] whether you're going to keep the kind that you have or go with turf. It's just

[13:49] turf may be a little more intense um as to what will need to be done depending

[13:54] on the actual environment that's there. I I know they gave estimates and they

[13:58] are estimates um because they don't know what's under the ground there either

[14:02] that has to be done and so that's where the engineers would be able to step in

[14:07] and design plans that would be something people could bid on with confidence

[14:13] against each other to know X Y and Z we believe definitely has to be done.

[14:18] » Is that going to be my next question? How much can the turf company do do as

[14:24] compared to somebody else do in regard to the drainage? Can turf company do all

[14:29] the needed drainage? >> It depends on what they were capable of

[14:33] bidding and accomplishing themselves or sub in out as part of their bid process.

[14:38] » But it' all be one bid. They might need subcontractors depending upon the

[14:43] » criteria. But council could choose to do it all as one and enable subcontracting

[14:48] to take place. Yes. to be to two more points to develop yield the floor. Uh

[14:55] most likely realistically it's going to cost up to 200 my guess is 250,000 a

[15:00] piece. So I think we should just ditch that 250,000 total. I think it's going

[15:06] to take and I'm I'm for it. I think it's going to take this leaves 212 but once

[15:12] we get into this drainage I think we're going to be likely for 250 a mill. So I

[15:16] think we have to get our mind set for 500,000 or more. The second thing would

[15:22] be once we do the infield we turf the infield say three years from now or five

[15:28] years could we decide the turf the outfields

[15:32] would that be a problem? Could you blend in the infield with turf in the outfield

[15:36] at a later date? I >> I think we we've seen globally is that

[15:42] all little leagues that are doing this now no one's doing that. No one wants

[15:46] anything to do with turfing the outfields.

[15:48] » South Fyet just put in two brand new fields, brand new turf, brand new

[15:52] fences, all that stuff. You know what they screwed up? They forgot to water

[15:56] and see the outfield. They can't use their fields now for the next couple

[16:01] months. They actually literally have to grow the grass now and they didn't do it

[16:04] properly. We were just there. Um the other uh fields that we've seen in

[16:11] McKe's Rocks, they that was a Pirates Charities and um they just did the

[16:17] infields only. It's it's it's pretty much a dominant source unless you're one

[16:21] of these places that host tournaments year round. Um I just drove past Cedar

[16:26] Points complex and Sanduski and a lot of the travel teams go up there. They have

[16:31] full turf fields, but they only have like one or two out of eight. And then

[16:36] the rest are infield only grass outfield morning track rock.

[16:41] » So we're not cutting any corners. The council won't be cutting any corners by

[16:45] just doing that's >> it's actually a more responsible way to

[16:50] go in doing it. And it's pretty much the standard from what I've seen from our

[16:55] locals. Collier's in the process of putting in four or five fields near

[16:59] their burrow building up by Nike site. Um they're doing I think infield only. I

[17:06] don't believe that's the the case. And like I said, I just saw South Bay has

[17:09] two brand new ones. Turf only infield, grass outfield, and morning track.

[17:15] » And um Mal does have one as well. Um they line their field with the red rock

[17:23] around the turf. So that's where the drainage comes into play. So it's not

[17:28] necessarily like the turf covers everything, but it covers well with the

[17:31] playing surface and then the outlier around it is then to your point with the

[17:36] engineering the drainage system in place because there's a lot new I guess rock

[17:43] clay red brick material that they use that soaks up water or I guess what's

[17:50] the word permeable without creating a water table. So in that sense that's the

[17:56] again the new modern way to look at it. >> Thank you.

[18:02] » So we have two members of the planning commission here. Is the planning

[18:05] commission reviewed this plan yet? >> Okay.

[18:11] » All I know is based on what happens with Point Park if the athletics of RIA are

[18:18] able to access that. There was the start of a discussion of do we have too many

[18:23] baseball fields at R tree park? Are we going to convert one of those fields

[18:27] into something else someday? Basketball court, pickle ball court, whatever. But

[18:32] that is, you know, a 10year time scale, not an immediate what are we doing about

[18:37] maintenance fields or things. >> And and to that point as well, that

[18:42] would be something to look into. Obviously, if we do move forward with

[18:46] Point Park, and I know I've been asked and I've given my information about this

[18:51] in regards to our high school team playing there with, you know, respect to

[18:55] them doing fields and stuff like that, but we could look into whatever company

[18:59] they're doing. That obviously might give us a discount moving forward if they

[19:03] have their if they're going to do the whole turf field there and we can use

[19:08] the same company to do the same things as our fields. There may be a process or

[19:13] opportunity to get a discount as far as doing all three at the same time. It

[19:17] seems logical, but it could be expensive as well. Thanks, CJ. J, just let the

[19:22] record reflect Jesse Robinson evidence planning commission said that planning

[19:26] commission has reviewed this yet consideration. Also, uh, Mr. hands up.

[19:32] So, uh, this viralist

[19:37] gave me the the quotes that we received and I think I'm trying to make sense of

[19:41] them here. I think we have to correct the record.

[19:46] Mr. P said real turf. I think the name of the company is Sports Turf.

[19:51] Um, and the other company is AstroTurf that gave us the estimates.

[19:56] And so we have four estimates from Forester.

[20:03] One for 662,000, the other for 667,000. I believe those

[20:08] would be for the entire field. That's where we're getting the 1.2 millionish.

[20:13] And I also believe Mr. P said that uh to replace both fields, it would be

[20:18] 252,000, but it's it looks like based on the

[20:22] estimates, it's about 212 per field. Is that right?

[20:28] » No. The the the one the the the one company it's like 212 per field but the

[20:36] other company I spoke with the person who gave the estimate he told me that is

[20:42] the complete price for both fields. >> So Astro Turf is 262,000.

[20:49] Their estimate says soccer field for 17.

[20:53] » True. True. But but he I I clarified that that would be for both the entire

[21:00] infields, the entire price. >> Well, and then it also said annual

[21:05] maintenance program includes one maintenance visit per year for eight

[21:08] years for all three fields. So f

[21:14] it was a little goofy. That's why Ron when I first gave him that, we both

[21:18] identified all those like kind of quirks to that point. The quote came from Dan

[21:24] and I. And Dan Visser is the head of the soccer. He's our soccer commissioner. So

[21:29] when he put that in there, it was like I think he just confused the thought

[21:35] process. We had both little league fields measured and surveyed via height

[21:41] and fall off. They came and actually used, you know, survey machines and went

[21:46] out six feet, did all that stuff. So that astroturf is Yes. We actually

[21:51] double confirmed that that was both infields for hemlock one and hemlock 2

[21:56] and that's infields only. And yes, it's 260 280. It depends on the thickness of

[22:02] the turf you use. And that being said, that's the company that did Pit

[22:08] University's full turf field. They did West Virginia University's full turf

[22:13] field. I believe they're on the hook or was asked about quoting for the point

[22:18] far project and they're the ones doing the caller fields as well.

[22:22] » Okay. So, I was I didn't just call some random company. I kind of did some

[22:26] research to make sure like, hey, they've done some work. I can look at what the

[22:30] work they have done and go that route. But yes, there are some quirks in there.

[22:34] And then we did verbally via a phone call confirm all of that information.

[22:39] » Okay. And so the th So you you're referring to the thickness of the

[22:43] material that could touch the price. >> The 262 can go up to 280.

[22:48] » Okay. >> It's like 18 more to go from like a 42

[22:51] mm or 42 something to a >> 42

[22:54] » 50. Yeah. You see that? I just don't know the

[22:59] for the uh force tur is it the same? Yeah. Two inches.

[23:04] » Yeah. Okay. So we're talking apples and at here

[23:08] pretty much >> and um

[23:14] did they give any indication how long? Yeah, the astro said one month the full

[23:19] month and it's um ready to go. It's not like a waiting period. Um that month

[23:26] included construction, the access ability to get you know them there. Um,

[23:33] again that was Marvel. The guy that I spoke with is, you know, the regional

[23:37] sales director, you know what I mean? Like he's given out quotes to everyone

[23:40] and all that stuff. Like I said, you know, caller and um I don't know who did

[23:44] South Fields. Um, that was actually going to be my next research project to

[23:48] find out who actually did their fields and see if we could get the cost

[23:53] associated with what they did just for the infields only and what product they

[23:56] used as well because that's the only other place that I know they're doing

[24:00] new. Going to Mount Lemon, they have that full turf field that it's just all

[24:06] turf. It's, you know what I mean? It's they actually have a turf outfield with

[24:10] a dirt infield, which I don't get, but that that was that's what they do. So I

[24:14] couldn't use that to compare or do any like correlation or you know get any

[24:19] prices off that. >> Do you know if we have to buy any

[24:21] additional equipment maintain turf field?

[24:24] » I think you just got to get the rollers for the turf when it rains super like

[24:28] saturated and you just rolls off. But for a new product like that it's

[24:32] designed to take on all these thunderstorms and be playable within

[24:39] I mean I'm saying minutes rather than hours.

[24:42] » Yeah. I mean like the ongoing long-term maintenance.

[24:46] » There's not like it's not like that rubber pallet stuff you have to keep

[24:49] buying. That's what's in there. That's their warranty and that what's goes and

[24:53] they do the follow-ups. That was actually in there.

[24:56] » Yeah. >> Um anything else besides that? No. Um

[25:01] you're going back to like bases. You might have to buy some bases annually.

[25:06] Um besides that, no. It's like a zero

[25:09] maintenance issue. That's kind of the whole thing. If you buy it with them,

[25:13] they give you the warranty. You may want to extend the warranty with them and

[25:18] they will come annually on that aspect. But like that was that's their deal for

[25:22] the first I think it was eight or yeah, something like that. So again, I don't

[25:27] have you got all the information I got. And to just point out when me and Ron

[25:33] were confirming all those like little quirks, that was just the other things

[25:36] that we had to identify. I know I embed six weeks. So that that's prevent

[25:43] before you leave. Life expectancy from your knowledge

[25:49] his words for 20 to 30 depending on how much you play on it. Being that we only

[25:56] use it for um

[26:00] if you're talking about using both fields, you know, you understand you're

[26:03] dividing it up. If we only did one, then the heavy clay would be dominated on

[26:08] that one field because then the other dirt field would then it takes week it

[26:12] takes days to get these fields right. With these turf fields, you're talking,

[26:16] like I said, half hour to an hour. Like you'll have a thunderstorm at 8 a.m.

[26:20] I've seen tournaments at the Keys Rocks basically start their games at night.

[26:24] Like, hey, we're good to go. Roll it off, get it going. And it's not a injury

[26:28] hazard to set players as well. But the timeline I believe is like 20 to 30

[26:33] years based on how much you're playing on. If we're on it every day all day,

[26:38] you're in the lower time frame. If you're spacing that out and you're not

[26:42] we're not going to use them during the winter when the snows come over top of

[26:45] it, stuff like that, you know. Oh, that would might be the other piece of

[26:48] product that you would have to buy. If you want to use it during the winter,

[26:51] you have to get the shovels that have like like the ice shovels like to clean

[26:55] the ice and stuff like that, those big flat ones. But that's the only other

[26:58] aspect that came up. Excuse me, CJ.

[27:03] » Yeah. >> Um I'm coming remote. Um I know we

[27:07] talked about this before we were discussing Point Park. Um in planning

[27:11] commission, we talked about fields. As far as the pitching mounds, I know there

[27:14] are different distances, softball, baseball. Is this going to be movable?

[27:18] Um what is the >> They're portable. So you basically go to

[27:22] a straight portable product. And that's the other benefit of this. the 10U and

[27:28] 12U girls, 15U girls, they pitch fast pitch and because I'm a uh hemlock one

[27:36] is a dirt mound, they don't have the it inhibits them to use that field

[27:43] properly. They have to use hemlock 2 more often than not because of there's a

[27:47] flat mound. This year we did just actually

[27:52] get rid of the dirt mound at Aken 2 and that was in uh working with Keystone Oak

[27:59] School District. They bought a portable mound that is now being housed in our

[28:03] shed down at a 2. It comes on a trolley so to speak. They come in two, three

[28:08] pieces and yes that's an additional cost but you're talking like two grand, three

[28:15] grand and that's pretty much it. Awesome.

[28:19] Thank you. >> Yeah. So, basically anyone could choose

[28:22] it up to that point and that that mount would just be easily moved by it maybe

[28:28] take one or two people. I've seen one person do the mount. It's a pain in the

[28:31] butt. It typically is a twoerson job just grabbing the two pieces and um

[28:36] putting in the proper areas. >> Quick question. What month would be

[28:40] ideal for this car to be done?

[28:45] » So, we have 19. So, we have a spring season and we have a fall season. And

[28:49] our all-star tournament is Oh, that's not right.

[28:53] Um, Keystone School District is going to be replacing that shed in the parking

[29:00] lot next to Aken. I was just talking about this during football reference um

[29:04] with the superintendent Joe Piac. So, this is something that's on the board

[29:08] for all of us. They're going to be doing that uh I don't know what it's called.

[29:12] It's a shed. That house that's down there. It looks like it's still

[29:15] lapitated. It's just going to leave with gases or something, right? That's coming

[29:20] up. >> They're fixing that next year. It's on

[29:23] the books and they don't want to mess with our allstar. So, back to your

[29:26] question. Spring baseball and softball start. I mean, we don't like letting

[29:32] people So, this is the weird part. We don't like letting people on the dirt

[29:35] field until April 1. You want to let it thaw out. You don't want to tear it up

[29:39] in the mud. You make them stick to the outfield and stuff like that. That

[29:42] season goes from April 1st roughly to the first second week of June if teams

[29:47] make the playoffs. Playoffs is usually the first two weeks of June. Our

[29:51] all-star tournament is one week long. It's the second week of July typically

[29:55] and then fall ball starts roughly September 1st and goes to October 31st.

[30:01] So you're basically talking about late July, August would be

[30:06] as far as even when you get the estimates, if they

[30:10] want to do it during the winter, it's cheaper. Guess what? Let them. But if

[30:15] that you're talking about not interfering and doing it during the

[30:17] summer, you're looking at late July, August, and then if we even have to move

[30:22] our games to be away in early September. It gives us the opportunity ahead of

[30:27] time to actually make those adjustments and just fix the schedule according.

[30:32] » I guess we'll just have to figure out what their schedule looks like.

[30:36] » How late in the fall did you say? I didn't get that.

[30:38] » I mean, if someone's playing football games after Halloween, they're

[30:42] obnoxious. Okay. >> I'm just going to call them out for

[30:44] that. My in my notes, it's October 15th and I'm done because like that's even

[30:49] when peewee football stops. I'm like if football's not playing, we shouldn't be

[30:53] playing baseball and softball. And you know, it's honestly if you get a hot

[30:57] October, great. You get a couple late days in October, awesome. But the fall

[31:01] season should be roughly October 15th, October 21st.

[31:05] » There's no playoffs or anything in fall. Just there you go. But there's not

[31:08] there's no way to we don't extend it. There's four.

[31:11] » It's more like a moving up period. It's a developmental time for kids to um move

[31:16] up to the next level. So going from coach pitch to kid pitch, going from

[31:22] learning the rules to the new areas like going from little league to pony and

[31:27] then using I'm not going to lie, Wilson. So difference

[31:32] » I think Mr. Garrison wants >> Yeah, I was just going to say we would

[31:36] if one of these plans uh Pete Garson by the one trainer if one of these plans

[31:42] were to be considered it'll be feasible. We would certainly sacrifice a fall

[31:47] season. Not for the kids. We would find other fields to use. We would go to

[31:51] other communities for those games, but certainly if the the community and the

[31:55] council was going to, you know, move forward with something like this, the

[31:59] fall would be ideal. you know, you get through that spring season where

[32:03] registration numbers are high, the community's out and about, uh, get

[32:06] through the all-star tournament, which is always a success, and then we would

[32:11] be happy to make whatever plays we need to make to have the fields worked on

[32:16] through the whole fall, but, you know, the fall is a, you know, it's an extra

[32:21] season and the other will be more than happy to help us out, give us we have a

[32:28] that we practice on things like So, you know, that would never be something I

[32:32] think that would inhibit the progress of a project like this.

[32:36] » Hey, [clears throat] while we haven't been up there, thanks for that. What

[32:38] about Wilson Field? What's the condition of that? And what kind of use is

[32:42] supposed to get as a base? >> I think Wilson I mean it doesn't get

[32:45] much at all. Uh we do use it ball a little bit. Uh it's not in awful

[32:51] conditions, but it's like any of our open fields, you know, after the the

[32:55] rain depending on, you know, who was up there, kids riding their bikes or

[32:59] whatever. But uh if that was a field that we were to to shift to like a

[33:04] priority, we would we have equipment up there, we would start doing the same

[33:09] work that we do for him one and two up there and make it more useful.

[33:13] » I'm wondering this has come up in the past. Should we burn into soccer? Just

[33:18] make the grass turf the grass in >> it's highly dependent on the park

[33:25] project. Bacon 2 was awful as far as the dirt goes. Working with Wilson right

[33:30] now, the Pony team just starting to use it. I'm basically I to start using it

[33:35] next spring for the Pony team and that is only one team. However, two is very

[33:43] hard to work on compared to where Wilson is easier and volunteer that does the

[33:49] time and the hours and the effort. I know how to get all those correct. I

[33:53] literally just run up and painted all the lines. We have the We have nine

[33:57] bases up there, 65, 80, and 90. We got the mound is still fine. It works fine.

[34:03] Just need a little bit of like half hour of TLC. The drainage there is excellent

[34:07] since that new drain got put in along the third base line. It literally it's

[34:12] it's just an unused resource whereas we should actually start doing it. But to

[34:18] your point, if we got the Point Park project done that it's a turf field,

[34:23] Pony Cole High School were going on that field and then that becomes a yes, this

[34:28] is just sitting here not being used. >> Well, I thought the reason why we did

[34:32] stop using Wilson as baseball field too because ball is going

[34:35] » and with the trip west bats now like they're just jacking home runs left and

[34:39] right. >> That season doesn't interfere with the

[34:41] pulling. That season would be over before the knowing

[34:45] you're talking about Morris. It's over. Like they're done already.

[34:50] » You're talking high school season. >> Yeah. The whole high school and pony

[34:53] pony goes into June a little bit, but you're talking Yes. Like and then Well,

[34:58] the trees grew now. I mean, someone would have to hit up. That's a bomb for

[35:02] a 13 or 14 year old. Like they ain't doing that.

[35:05] » People put you up with 15, 16, 17 year olds on there like the high school team.

[35:10] Then that becomes a reality. But no 14, 15 year olds ball. I've strengthened it

[35:14] up.

[35:17] Thanks. >> We appreciate the opportunity to even

[35:20] explore this. >> Well, we appreciate all the time you

[35:22] guys put us out this passion about it. Thank you. I'm just wondering if this is

[35:27] something that should short that should go to the planning commission for

[35:30] review. Not sure falls into their perview or not. This something that you

[35:34] might want to take under consideration just to make sure.

[35:39] » Yeah. I mean we when we had this initial discussions regarding the point park

[35:43] field these fields came up the the reconfiguration thoughts of you know

[35:48] depending on what happens with the point park field and even with these fields

[35:52] there's a lot of space that we don't utilize in the best way sometimes we

[35:57] have a lot of fields that aren't as used as much as the two that we're talking

[36:01] about and it's something Fanny commission has said is there a different

[36:04] way to utilize that center space of that park um to be more beneficial So yeah, I

[36:10] mean I think planning commission should take a look at this. I think knowing

[36:15] exactly what we want to do will help them then look at the youth versus the

[36:21] youth purpose. Do you know what I'm saying?

[36:22] » Yes. >> I think we have to be a little further

[36:24] along in the process before they can >> start to do other things,

[36:31] » right? Not to not to delay it too long though,

[36:35] right? I mean, >> no, I think it'd be great like I think

[36:38] we need to to get to a point. I mean, hopefully we'll we'll have some

[36:41] understanding with Point Park soon. Um, because I think that is definitely one

[36:45] of the things we talked about was really to make any plans so we know what's

[36:49] happening with that space because that being used by the pony league and the

[36:54] high school and things like that, it changes a lot of the needs. And so,

[36:59] until we have that piece of the puzzle, it's kind of hard to put the rest

[37:02] together. >> Yeah. I don't I don't think the uh Point

[37:06] Park potential project is related to hemlock

[37:12] films. I think they're independent uh projects. I mean park could be related

[37:18] to Aken somewhat but I think hemlock would proceed with that no matter where

[37:24] the point park stands. >> I agree. This is

[37:27] » I think it's more the use of the other fields.

[37:30] » What would have anything to do with Papa? Our community exclusively uses

[37:34] Hanlock one and hemlock two and I think that should be a higher priority right

[37:37] now for this council to consider while we wait for point but I don't think one

[37:40] should be dependent on the other as we are in need of repair infrastructure of

[37:44] these fields as soon as possible. >> Agreed.

[37:51] » Jesse Robinson 24 on the road also with planning commission. My only comments on

[37:57] all this was I'm not sure I'm not as involved. I don't know which fields Aken

[38:02] wanted to and Hadlock. I don't know where those fields are. I haven't seen a

[38:05] map or constructor drawings of any of this. I was just advocating for not

[38:10] putting turf in if that was something that we were imminently considering

[38:16] doing something else with contingent on point bark. If hemlock

[38:22] is off to the side of that then yeah >> hemlock one and two are the front

[38:27] fields. So close to the parking lot. >> We're closer to the street. So um when

[38:34] you're going down road one go behind that next to the right two.

[38:40] » Okay. >> One and two are down

[38:42] » closer in between point. Okay. So yeah I mean the planning commission is doing

[38:46] anything. It's hey if we could put a new sport thing here what would the

[38:52] community want? So a year from now or two years from now, we've asked people

[38:57] what they want. They answered. We can build ball or basketball or whatever.

[39:01] People, you know, planning commission. If you guys want to repair these fields,

[39:05] you guys do not need planning commission's input on that.

[39:08] » Okay. All right. >> It's baseball field now. It's going to

[39:11] be a baseball field later. Like that's >> I just wanted to make sure that we

[39:15] weren't leaving planning commission. U So is this something that would um be

[39:20] Mr. Wilson, would this be in this year's budget or would it be in next year's

[39:23] budget? >> It would at this point have to be in

[39:26] next year's budget. Um, but the planning for it could definitely start now uh for

[39:32] what you wanted to do moving forward. I do think at this point um you know for

[39:38] the as Mr. Kansas had three different options that there are available um to

[39:44] take the estimates that we have here um which are really useful to create a

[39:50] budget but [clears throat] not useful if we want people to figure

[39:55] out how much you just put in as an estimate when we go to bid. So those

[40:00] individuals have now kind of shown their hands as to what they would charge. So

[40:06] if you were a competitor, you now know that these different

[40:10] companies. >> So what you're saying is they probably

[40:12] should have read this. >> Not the first time they've been stated

[40:15] publicly. It's not >> science.

[40:20] » But we really want to have an understanding that you know turf wise

[40:24] that's what we're into it for. Get some more information from the engineers when

[40:28] it looks at um the other improvements that need to do with underneath the

[40:33] turf. Um, so we have a kind of ballpark figure, budget figure for how much for

[40:39] the two fields improvements would cost so that during the budget season you can

[40:43] make that determination. But that doesn't mean that you can't start

[40:46] planning that right now. Just have to come up with the budget. Where are you

[40:50] going to put that money in allocation? >> But if it's not budgeted till next year,

[40:56] I mean would get done be until 2028. Maybe this is not a good way to budget.

[41:03] But uh >> but what would get done in the fall of

[41:06] 27? Great.

[41:09] » Oh, if it's not in this year's budget, >> it's not in 26 budget.

[41:14] » Yeah, that means we can't do it in 27. You don't budget the money.

[41:18] » No, you can do it in 27 if you budget them. In the fall, you'll do the 27

[41:23] budget. >> Yeah. So if you adopt the 27 budget in

[41:27] the fall and have the money to do this as part of that budget, then it would

[41:31] take place at 27. >> Anything budgeted for 27 could happen in

[41:38] don't we get a budget in November? >> She'll do November 26

[41:45] 27. >> So we'll be okay.

[41:50] » You're getting confused. We're in 2026, right? Okay. So, you did the 26 budget

[41:56] last fall. >> We're spending that money now.

[42:00] » Okay. >> So, when you do the 27 budget, we'll

[42:03] spend it in 27. >> So, if we can put it in Okay,

[42:08] » we can put in 27. >> This year's budget is 2027 because

[42:12] that's when we pass it. That's why I'm getting confused.

[42:16] » Budget. So, could uh CJ, could we potentially do

[42:22] it or could we do it in the spring of 27?

[42:27] » I guess this way we're doing it. We're doing it.

[42:30] We can adjust. >> Absolutely.

[42:32] » Our seasons we could use like so if you're messing with one and two, we have

[42:37] a one, we have a two, we have Wilson. We're good.

[42:41] » We just have to adjust. And then it might be weird with our gaming schedule

[42:45] for that season where we're going to play all away games. And then guess

[42:49] what? We got this brand new field and have all these home games late season.

[42:52] » Yeah. Okay. >> Like that's that's not

[42:54] » But ideally, if we could get it for you in the spring, you could start your you

[42:59] could have your whole 2027 season on the brand new

[43:05] supposed to be a mild winter. As the administrator, I just want to

[43:09] caution everyone because it was said earlier this evening was

[43:13] maintenancefree. That probably is true >> for the volunteers who regularly do

[43:18] maintenance, but um >> is there a specialized piece of

[43:22] equipment to remove beads off of it? I would imagine those are not going out

[43:26] and so there are going to be pieces of equipment that are going to be a cause

[43:30] to the municipality that we don't own now. techniques we may

[43:34] have to learn. Obviously, you don't mow it. Um, that's what that's what we're

[43:39] used to doing. So, there are things that have to be done that are going to

[43:44] require specialized equipment in the role.

[43:46] » Yeah, for sure. And the athletic association is in a position that we

[43:50] would certainly financially support, you know, those types of things. You know,

[43:55] » we just don't know what they cost yet, but we want to build them into the

[43:58] budget. >> Yeah. Uh and you know we're also in

[44:01] support of like you know there's grant opportunities or things like that we you

[44:05] know we're willing to help however we can but if there's equipment or things

[44:09] that are needed to maintain those fields like we certainly would come up with fun

[44:13] stuff. >> If you were pursuing grand opportunities

[44:18] then you are talking like 28 not 27. 27 would have to purely be like

[44:24] tax dollars that are left over. um anything that you wanted to do and

[44:31] pursue a grant, that's going to take a full year just of somebody digesting it.

[44:36] Yeah. >> And sometimes it takes another year

[44:38] after you get awarded before they even give you the money. So,

[44:42] » you know, if you want it quickly, there is the tax revenue to get to that. If

[44:47] you want it eventually, then the grant revenue would be the stream to pursue

[44:52] and you could even phase it. >> Yeah. As far as the equipment, for sure

[44:56] we'd be in a position that we would financially support that there was equip

[45:01] equipment that was needed to help maintain.

[45:04] » Well, I think Mr. Manzer, your committee should uh do a deeper analysis this and

[45:10] come to council with a recommendation proceeding through the budgeting process

[45:14] and further planning. >> Yes. Yes. That's what now if we can get

[45:22] consensus of council that we would like to go with option number two and finding

[45:29] a way >> hold on your option number two was to

[45:32] replace fields in its entirety. So I think you meant option number three.

[45:37] » Option number three. >> Yeah.

[45:39] » Yes. Um I'm sorry. Anyways, I and and you know like I was assured by some of

[45:47] the reps that they were very good at braiding and like they they it would be

[45:55] the complete package. So let's let's in deep spell now if we have consensus and

[46:02] council then we can move forward and finalize the plans. I'll meet with the

[46:10] GAA and we'll go we'll work together and and

[46:15] get official. I mean, Mr. Wilson, if you want and I

[46:20] mean, if we ask for another estimate, they're only going to give us another

[46:24] estimate. I mean, I don't know how to get the price like I'm not sure what

[46:31] other than putting it out to bid. I don't know. like

[46:35] » well that is legally what we do have to do.

[46:38] » Yeah. is I mean it's a multi00,000 project that has to be put out to bid

[46:44] but to have the engineers build an estimate for the total budget all in um

[46:49] I can take the estimates that you have already um received and have those

[46:56] worked on to kind of give a an average cost let's say um for the budget along

[47:02] with any additionals like excavation things like that engineering that may

[47:07] have to take place and come up with an all budget and present that as a written

[47:13] thing like document for your subcommittee uh for your next meeting.

[47:17] Well, >> yeah,

[47:20] » well that >> her next meeting is August 17th, but

[47:26] » we could we could as long as we get the ball rolling and all the council is in

[47:32] agreement, we are going to try to get this done next year. I think everyone

[47:37] will be happy and I think we can now go to these companies and get even more

[47:44] clarification to make sure the bid's going to include

[47:50] everything like you know drainage fence we we'll get exact figures on and

[47:59] exactly what these bids will include

[48:05] budgeting No, >> see if they actually hold on a second.

[48:13] » You just you can just let the administration handle putting the specs

[48:17] together. U but you don't need to go to any of the vendors. Um because we want

[48:22] to keep the process real pure. >> Yes,

[48:26] » we do. We need to get go through the whole public bidding process and

[48:30] formally put out a bid package that people can uh produce submissions to

[48:34] that are then opened at the designated date time and we award to the lowest

[48:39] responsible bid. Uh so yeah, we we don't need to go back and forth with

[48:44] individual companies seeking bids at this point.

[48:48] I think you already

[48:52] Let's do it then, >> Mr. Wilson.

[48:58] » I think you already answered my question. Mr. Wilson, [clears throat] I

[49:01] think I got this straight now. For the 2027 budget,

[49:07] to get this in the 2027 budget, you can put the specs together without having an

[49:13] accepted bid. >> Correct.

[49:16] » Thank you. Yeah. So, it wasn't about that plans.

[49:21] » I'm I'm just going to say a crazy number, but that way if we know if it's

[49:24] a million dollars, which it's not going to be, and you need to budget a million

[49:28] dollars in 2027, we can put that in there, and then we'll all figure out

[49:32] together how you're going to get a million dollars, but fortunately, it

[49:36] isn't a million dollars. What's prudent at this point is that we develop the

[49:40] specs, the scope of what we exactly need so that we can put together a bid

[49:44] package that reflects adequately what we want and then that way we'll also be

[49:49] able to build out a budget accord as well.

[49:51] » Mr. Wilson, how quickly do you think our engineering team could do the specs,

[49:55] look at the fields and get that to us? >> I cannot answer that question on their

[49:59] behalf, but I'm happy to ask question. Um question for GA about how many um how

[50:07] many participants do you have in baseball?

[50:14] » South baseball and softball. Yes.

[50:22] » Well, fall is usually lower, right? Yeah, but I'm just

[50:27] with 75

[50:32] and then 12 you have 17.

[50:40] So almost 100 baseball in the fall.

[50:44] » In the fall and that's in the fall >> is probably

[50:52] about in the spring. Close to 200. >> 200. Yeah. Okay.

[50:56] » Great. >> Good. Any other discussion on uh hemlock

[51:02] one and two? >> Good.

[51:06] » Go ahead. >> I wanted to throw one idea out. Um and I

[51:09] don't even know Ron and even Mr. Wilson this even feasible. You mentioned grants

[51:14] would have to be further out. Would there be the possibility that we could

[51:18] still put it in the budget for 2027 um and have that option but maybe start

[51:24] the process for applying for grants and see if there's or just researching and

[51:28] seeing if there are grants out there that could make it a lot cheaper

[51:33] » is there do do them in do it in the spring of 2018 so we would skip next

[51:38] year but we'd have the money sitting there so that we could do it early in 28

[51:42] if there was grant funding then we maybe have to spend as much it was just an

[51:46] idea that came into my head. I don't know if that's still not enough time for

[51:49] grants. Maybe >> that's you'd still have to think of

[51:52] phasing it. >> Yeah.

[51:54] » So, you'd have to do one field one year. The other field you wouldn't be able to

[51:58] begin anything with it until after the not only bid was awarded but depending

[52:04] sorry after the grant was awarded but depending on the grant until it was

[52:09] actually released. >> Yeah.

[52:10] » So, it depends on the type of grant. So again, if you get awarded let's say this

[52:16] year and it doesn't get released till November of next year, you can't even

[52:19] get anything till after that sometimes that you need.

[52:23] » Yeah. >> And I understand the timely and

[52:24] favorable response. Yes. You would be held limbo for a year and a half only to

[52:29] get response or less money than you.

[52:38] » Any more? >> Okay. Republic state monarch to East

[52:43] Mill Avenue. Um, first off, Mr. Mayor, your discussion

[52:49] about like, you know, apples and oranges between Pemlock and Point Park. Point

[52:55] Park seems to be getting held up to some extent with their plans. I see it as

[53:01] that could be a learning curve. Let them go through with their plans or see what

[53:07] we need to do. On a different note, it seems like you

[53:12] guys already have your mind made up that this is going to be done. But the the

[53:15] biggest problem with those fields over there is drain. It's never been

[53:19] addressed and it's it's not all that complicated. If you look after rain, the

[53:26] patterns of the water across the fields, there's no gutters between

[53:31] the the arc drains that they have at him too

[53:36] or above the elevation of the asphalt and there is no curve. So you're getting

[53:41] the water run off. It's coming down past the bleachers going straight through

[53:45] first base through the pitcher's mind to third base. the other fields understand

[53:51] CJ there's few of the coaches over here do

[53:54] a lot of work

[53:58] this almost seems like it's too old it's less work there I could go off on things

[54:03] that aren't done over there and and I've offered my time prior to the season

[54:10] starting going and addressing all the coaches when they were over there to

[54:13] give tips on how to do certain some of the things not dragging the miles done a

[54:18] great get them to not do that. But there is a

[54:24] lot of work created over there that uh could be handled after games. A

[54:30] lot of the rake and things like that. When I was spent 15 years over there

[54:33] coaching, we had a rake and then we moved up to hand drags. We didn't have

[54:39] carts and all this other stuff. You can't chicken scratch. You have to fill

[54:43] a hole in. I don't know if this is going to be a

[54:46] crush for people to lean on if it's a wise investment. I'm not saying I mean

[54:50] it's it's great. It'd be great. that um saying about giving up roads

[55:00] that's I I don't know that the public has a whole lot of information on this

[55:06] father for the tax dollars to go but there are simple simpler answers

[55:14] that could address some of the concerns water erosion so that

[55:19] aren't taken care of I do believe we're in a different situation now where

[55:24] things can move up. Never got couldn't get dirt

[55:29] to put on eight and two previously. Doesn't matter. There's 3T of fall.

[55:34] Whatever you put on there is going to wash down the sewer. You own that

[55:37] tension block. There's drainage issues with that field.

[55:43] Um for your for your playoffs, then those

[55:47] fields look pretty good. We address some of the stuff.

[55:52] I'm over there a lot doing it. you know that CJ

[55:56] um I don't know I don't know if we need to

[56:01] park there's other issues be addressed thank you

[56:13] public comment doesn't have to be related to the ball fields

[56:18] okay right

[56:22] hands I I have nothing further on the ball

[56:27] fields. Um I I believe it do we have to make an amendment to the agenda to vote

[56:35] on Mr. Wilson had asked for an amendment to this agenda

[56:41] to vote on um the young topic. Uh

[56:49] » yeah, I don't think we do the agenda. I think that's more of an administrative

[56:53] director of the council. >> Okay.

[56:57] Do you want to do a sentence? >> Yes. The Char West Council of

[57:01] Governments was requested by Burough Greenree to apply for grant

[57:09] uh the county CD53.11.8

[57:13] 8 um in order to um

[57:18] administer and facilitate the demolition of 358 Mansfield Road. And the uh CO did

[57:27] put that out for bid and received two bids. The low bidder was $12,85

[57:35] which is a company called JR Mor uh Contracting Incorporated Mor I would

[57:40] say. And so, um, what I'm requesting is consent from councel to send a letter,

[57:48] um, to COG letting them know that, uh, the bureau has found that the bid is,

[57:55] u acceptable and to request that COG initiate contract to execution

[58:02] um, as soon as feasible so that property can be.

[58:07] I believe in your email we said the came lower than expected

[58:13] of this project. That is correct. Okay. So beyond below definitely

[58:25] so with consent >> which I'm sure I'm sure our fields will

[58:29] come in much lower than expected all so we can put them on

[58:35] » they'll be just shy of the minimus but

[58:41] » all right do I have a motion >> it would just be a direct that council

[58:47] would authorize uh the manager to report.

[58:53] » It would be a kind of um >> recommendation.

[58:58] » Yeah. Direct. >> Yeah. So the president and council would

[59:03] say unless there's an objective that should go ahead and do that. So

[59:08] basically we're agreeing and if someone said no.

[59:13] Yeah. I can't understand. >> So what Mr. What specifically do I need

[59:20] to say? You just authorize Mr. We do make a motion. So M I

[59:27] authorize you to move forward with reaching out to and moving forward with

[59:33] I shall do so. Great.

[59:37] » Okay. Mr. Panza. >> Yes. Would

[59:44] you like to make a motion to adjurnn? That's you have done over the past 20

[59:48] some years. >> Yes. I I would like to make a motion we

[59:52] adjourn this meeting.

August 10, 2026 Borough of Green Tree Council Workshop Meeting

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