[0:00] here, it's much shorter than that.

[0:04] » Commissioner Kramer. >> Here.

[0:06] » Commissioner Gamboa. >> Here.

[0:08] » Commissioner Kozar Ziki. >> Commissioner Truszkowski.

[0:12] » Here. >> Commissioner Ouellette.

[0:14] » Here. >> Uh,

[0:16] President Szabrowski. >> Here.

[0:17] » Thank you. Uh, looking for approval of minutes of Plan Commission meeting of

[0:20] July 8th, 2026. >> So moved.

[0:24] » Seconded. >> Okay. Any discussion at all?

[0:28] That's good to me. Uh, let's do a roll call on that.

[0:30] » Commissioner Ouellette. >> Aye.

[0:32] » Commissioner Gamboa. >> Aye.

[0:34] » Commissioner Truszkowski. >> Aye.

[0:36] » Commissioner Kozar Ziki. >> Aye.

[0:38] » Commissioner Kramer. >> Aye.

[0:39] » President Szabrowski. >> Aye.

[0:40] » Thank you. All right. New business item A, PC

[0:44] 2026-24. Discussion and necessary action on

[0:47] application for a site plan, landscape plan, and light plan review submitted by

[0:53] Cartman for Roosevelt Racquet Club located at 6190 West Loomis Road,

[0:57] Greendale. Tax key number 6-630-468-002.

[1:03] » I will take that one. >> Can I give you just a very brief

[1:06] introduction on this? So, this is This is a modification to a new building

[1:11] in a B3 zoning district. So, one of the requirements from a purely from a zoning

[1:15] standpoint for modification in the B3 zoning district is it has to go through

[1:19] site plan, lighting plan, and landscaping plan.

[1:23] The This is Plan Commission, so the purpose of this of this committee is to

[1:28] recommend approval or denial, and then ultimately the plan will be either

[1:33] approved or denied by the Board of Trustees. So, at the end of this we'll

[1:37] either recommend approval or denial, and then this has to go through the Board of

[1:40] Trustees for final approval or denial. Um, and then this is This is zoning

[1:45] consideration. So, we have not received a building permit application or

[1:49] building plans yet. This is just the site plan lights uh, lighting plan,

[1:52] landscaping plan review. Please.

[1:56] » Thanks, Bob. >> [snorts]

[1:57] » Um, all right, so just uh brief summary, the village received

[2:01] an application from Advance Building Corporation on behalf of Roosevelt

[2:05] Racquet Club regarding the property located at 6190 West Loomis Road. The

[2:09] applicant is requesting to construct a [clears throat] new parking lot and

[2:12] commercial recreation facility offering indoor racquet courts for reservations,

[2:16] lessons, clinics, and league play together with supporting retail, club

[2:21] management, and second floor business office space for SlabStox business

[2:24] operations, a sports trading card information and analysis company.

[2:29] The subject property is zoned B3 general business, and the proposed uses are

[2:33] listed as permitted in the Greendale zoning code. The property is located

[2:37] directly north of Sendik's Fresh 2 Go, and also borders a flood plain near the

[2:42] north and west property lines. The village engineer and village attorney

[2:46] should review the proposed development for compliance with flood plain

[2:49] regulations and any relevant Wisconsin state statutes.

[2:52] After [snorts] review of the site plan and submitted drawings, the proposed

[2:55] building footprint does meet the FAR and yard requirements. The building

[3:00] elevation drawings show three separate proposed exterior signs, and per section

[3:05] 17.21 of the code, signs, awnings, and marquees are permitted. However, the

[3:09] applicant must obtain a sign permit and confirm that all regulations and village

[3:14] ordinances are met prior to installation of the proposed signage.

[3:19] Per section 17.382, the proposed structures should be

[3:22] located to allow for ease of access and entry. So, any any proposed structures

[3:28] should be located to allow for ease of access and entry for occupants and

[3:32] pedestrians. The proposed bike racks, when loaded, will obstruct the 5-ft

[3:37] proposed sidewalk. Graef recommends relocation or reconfiguration of these

[3:41] bike racks to prevent sidewalk obstruction. So, not required, but

[3:45] recommended. Um compliance of off-street parking and

[3:49] loading has also been considered and was discussed previously by the plan

[3:52] commission but like a couple months ago.

[3:56] Since recreation is the primary use of the subject property, staff feels the

[4:00] recreation uses and employee parking requirements are the appropriate

[4:04] standards to follow to regulate parking. The applicant has provided a project

[4:08] summary including a parking and operations overview that states the two

[4:12] uses are complementary with different peak periods allowing the on-site

[4:17] parking supply to serve the property efficiently throughout the day.

[4:21] The proposed parking area will supply 32 stalls which will serve a maximum of

[4:26] nine employees during daytime hours and during evening hours will serve 18

[4:30] players, two employees, and a limited number of transitioning patrons.

[4:35] The plan commission should confirm whether the spaces provided are

[4:39] sufficient. Per section 17.383

[4:43] for a commercial use on a parcel of land greater than 30,000 square feet which

[4:48] this is, a market analysis prepared and signed by an independent market analyst

[4:53] acceptable to the plan commission may be required. The plan commission shall

[4:58] determine whether this requirement is deemed necessary.

[5:04] Pending further discussion, staff has reviewed the submitted materials and is

[5:08] recommending that the application be approved subject to the following

[5:12] conditions and additional recommendations.

[5:15] One, the plan commission shall determine whether the proposed parking spaces are

[5:19] sufficient. Two, the plan commission shall determine whether a market

[5:23] analysis for the proposed development shall be required. Three, the applicant

[5:28] must obtain a sign permit from the director of inspection services prior to

[5:31] the installation of any new signage and four, review and approval of the site

[5:36] plan by the village engineer, village attorney, and director of inspection

[5:39] services. Thank you.

[5:42] Let me know if you have any questions. That's a lot.

[5:47] » Questions?

[5:52] » I I just with the lighting in the back, is there a way to have like a

[5:57] a shield on the back end of the whole so that the neighbors don't get a bright

[6:01] light in the back or

[6:10] So I'm just wondering if for there is one neighbor that's rather

[6:15] close to this. So I was just wondering how long the how late the lights will be

[6:19] on or you know, how bright is it going to be?

[6:22] And sometimes I know when the street lights are too bright, they can put a

[6:25] dark shade on one side to keep from flooding somebody's house.

[6:30] Just curious. >> I don't remember offhand how like the

[6:34] timing of the lighting, but it does meet the

[6:37] requirements >> Right. For lighting just to be there on

[6:40] that.

[6:43] » I mean hours of operation right now publicly that we're saying is 8:00 a.m.

[6:48] to 9:00 p.m. with possibility of opening earlier based off of what we're planning

[6:51] for work, which is likely what we'll do depending on staffing.

[6:56] But 9:00 p.m. would be like the latest that we'd be open until with you know,

[7:00] closing down and employees leaving. So I'd assume with the 30 minute kind of

[7:03] close down maybe period 9:30 I wouldn't expect any bright lights to be on past

[7:09] that. And from the lighting perspective you

[7:11] wouldn't have an issue. So

[7:30] » Would the lights be on all night or just when you're open?

[7:33] » I assume it's when we're open. I think that we might have some sort of

[7:36] light on the building like small just you know, as a lot of buildings do.

[7:41] Nothing crazy though. >> Security?

[7:43] » Yeah, security measure lighting, typical thing around the perimeter but nothing

[7:46] like that will should shine into your neighbor's yards and stuff.

[7:51] » Okay, just curious. Thank you.

[7:57] » Anything else? >> I guess

[8:00] To what extent is there architectural commentary? Just cuz I I have some

[8:06] definitely comments on just overall design and aesthetics.

[8:10] Um Is that

[8:12] » Well We'll be talking

[8:13] » something we have to discuss? >> I mean I think that you could you could

[8:16] certainly bring it up, but whether whether the the board could compel the

[8:20] applicant to make a change, I think it's a different topic.

[8:23] » Okay. So that wouldn't be for this meeting.

[8:26] » Well, I think I think you could certainly if you had like if you had

[8:28] suggestions [clears throat] or something, I think that the nature of

[8:30] the suggestions would have to be compared to the authority that we have

[8:33] in chapter 17 for zoning to see whether we could compel the applicant to make

[8:38] the changes, but I think it's certainly appropriate to to bring it up and talk

[8:41] about them if you'd like. >> You know, and that's always the concern.

[8:43] Anytime you have something where you need clear span, I understand that

[8:46] limits your building type, right? You're not just building it with stick built

[8:49] normal construction, and usually that means two things, either span you know,

[8:52] like precast concrete, which it probably wouldn't fit here, right? Or basically

[8:56] like a pole barn, which kind of this is a nicer pole barn really to to word it

[9:00] nicely, but and I [snorts] I do like that they do are doing like the entry

[9:04] area where the office is and stuff. I think that looks really nice. I guess my

[9:07] only commentary or question would be on the east facing, so the part that faces

[9:11] Loomis, it's just like a really high percentage of metal and

[9:15] normally most communities don't look at vertical metal panel, which is like

[9:18] something you find on a farm farm building as high quality material.

[9:22] I would just think is there a way to incorporate some other material that

[9:25] maybe especially being right next to Sandys corporate center, maybe some more

[9:27] masonry, some functional windows, maybe some full windows, fake windows, you

[9:32] know, things that look like, you know, spandrel glass where it just how do we

[9:35] give it a little more soften the look rather than looking like we have a you

[9:38] know a 30 ft 20 ft steel wall along Loomis Road. I mean the

[9:43] building's fairly close in perspective. It's not like it's 100 ft setback or

[9:47] something. I just I don't know is there anything

[9:49] aesthetically that can be done? I'm obviously not worried about the back.

[9:53] I'm not worried about the part that's recessed on the south like behind the

[9:57] entry in the office area but especially I think on the

[9:59] east elevation that would be commentary I don't want to provide is what can be

[10:03] done to give it more character and let's not smell like I said metal buildings I

[10:06] usually think of industrial buildings and this isn't that.

[10:09] » Correct. >> Especially with the given proximity to

[10:11] Sandings. >> Mhm.

[10:12] The metal walls are those the same walls

[10:16] that are on the inside? Like so is the steel panel also on the inside?

[10:22] » So it is a it is a so it's a it's a high quality metal building. And I think from

[10:26] a just a real response to kind of what your point was.

[10:30] Um I think the the goal of this design is it is pre-engineered building. So

[10:35] there are some limitations I think from a pre-engineered metal building we've

[10:38] used more brick than normally so we were really trying to be

[10:42] uh cognizant of uh from day one the owners here really

[10:47] wanted this to look and feel like a community.

[10:50] And so the brick was really important because even some of the colors we

[10:54] looked at had some of this uh examples down

[10:57] down this street right here and down Main Street to try to have this to be a

[11:00] green and healthy look. Uh they're they they understand their

[11:04] customers and the community of customers that come to the YMCA also they want to

[11:08] And so we did do a fair amount to kind of break down the scale along Loomis.

[11:13] That wall is really only 20 ft. I think it was 22 ft but it's certainly not a 40

[11:17] ft wall and the piers that are the brick piers

[11:20] that create a rhythm in these things are a nice way to kind of break that up. It

[11:25] is a field house. It is a lot of athletic performance Uh,

[11:30] and putting windows there uh on the east side doesn't really make

[11:34] there to be glare issues. There's glare issues for, uh, the the

[11:39] facility that would not be conducive to competitive,

[11:43] uh, performances there. Uh, but I think that the way that

[11:46] treatment of the, uh, metal panel is kind of gives a hint that there's a

[11:49] window there. It has It has a To me it has a very

[11:52] field house look and feel to it. Uh,

[11:55] and so I think that to me it adds to the,

[11:57] uh, the success in terms of how it looks.

[12:00] This this uh uh uh uh, meets that criteria.

[12:04] » Yeah, I'll provide a couple more things. Uh, you brought up the windows. Like we

[12:07] intentionally put a window on the north facing side of the lane because the

[12:10] problem is with tennis, like especially in your facility, we don't want glare,

[12:14] we don't want sun coming on the court. Like the worst you can have is partial

[12:17] sun and shade somewhere in the court while people are playing. Uh, it just

[12:21] ruins the experience for people, in all honesty. And then on the If you can see

[12:25] on the east side, though, a lot above the the R logo right there, there's a

[12:30] window up there. That goes into the office space that

[12:33] Slab City will operate out of, so that has no impact on like sun coming into

[12:37] there. So trying to add an additional window onto this property that like help

[12:40] with what you're saying. All things you guys said we agree with, too. Like we

[12:43] went through five iterations from metal building to this to try to get it to the

[12:47] look and feel like Grind Down here, Village Hall, down at the high school,

[12:50] going around to get to where we are. We want to feel like we're part of this

[12:54] area, and you can't put a building like this on Broad Street, but I wouldn't be

[12:57] making it feel like Broad Street on this.

[13:00] And at the end of the day, too, like part of

[13:03] the thing that we're running into is budget constraints. Like we're already

[13:06] pushing up to basically like the maximum amount of money that can be spent

[13:08] through SBA loans to even do this project. So adding more and more and

[13:11] more like things to aesthetically build it up is fantastic, but we don't We have

[13:16] capital so far. Like we just kind of We're trying to take things, put more

[13:20] money into the space, which is actually what we did. We put the windows on the

[13:23] front, too. If you drive down the miss going towards the freeway, like we put a

[13:27] huge glass window that'll shine in up into the lobby area upstairs where the

[13:31] actual club members will be able to access and non-members, too, to watch

[13:34] down into the pickleball matches as they're being played. It comes in

[13:37] through the front where the pro shop area is, more club space, stuff like

[13:41] that. So, and I definitely hear what you guys are

[13:44] saying at the same time, but like with a building this big, it's just from a

[13:47] financial perspective, like all brick is wouldn't be possible for us to even pull

[13:51] off. So, we're I mean open to any suggestions that you all would have in

[13:55] terms of maybe making some of these things that help out with what you guys

[13:58] are saying, depending on what the village board of trustees say, too, but

[14:02] I will say like from the start, like we sat down with Dan the architect and

[14:05] Michelle the builder and said, "Hey, we got to take this from metal building to

[14:08] feeling like it's, you know, an athletic facility that fits the Greendale kind of

[14:12] like, you know, tradition." And that's what we do. We want this building to be

[14:14] here for as long as I live in longer, hopefully, and uh like that's why we we

[14:20] went at how we did.

[14:23] » I I I get that. I understand that. >> I just I don't know. It's

[14:26] » It's a big metal wall. I I'll I'll leave it at what it is. It's a big metal wall.

[14:30] And like I said, I would think with Sendik's literally sharing a drive with

[14:33] Sendik's, you're going to see these two buildings

[14:34] » Right. >> Yeah. You know, however many feet away

[14:37] from each other. I'm not saying it should all be masonry, don't get me

[14:39] wrong. I think that would that would be too much, but you know, even the band

[14:42] that's on the bottom was an awesome effort, but you know, probably want

[14:46] landscaping around the base of that building. I know there's a little bit

[14:48] shown, but not a lot, but you know, you know, it's just it because it does

[14:53] project high in the air, you know, I don't know. And I I totally can respect

[14:56] the glare issue. I would agree. I didn't think of that.

[15:00] But that that being said, I worked on a lot of projects where people use

[15:02] spandrel glass, glass that's strictly cosmetic to the outside, you know, once

[15:05] again, it just gives it some kind of character. Um I'm just thinking, how can

[15:09] you tie it to the Sendik's building cuz you're going to see them side by side.

[15:12] » Mhm. >> They're close. Just that that reality is

[15:15] they're close. And what could be done to just I'm not

[15:18] worried about metal on the back. I'm not worried about metal on even on the

[15:20] sides. It's just can there be any more ornamentation or something that breaks

[15:24] up big sheets of metal.

[15:26] » think a a brick outline on this would look on the front.

[15:30] » I I think that could go a long way, but the question is how high and what's that

[15:33] cost? I get that, but yeah, I mean

[15:37] That's like when this came to the plan

[15:39] commission a couple times ago, right? That was the first thing that popped

[15:42] into my head is uh-oh.

[15:44] » So, you're still rebuilding. You need to I mean you need a lot of clear space. An

[15:47] athletic field house. >> Let's be real. This one looks better

[15:50] than a lot of other field houses. I think most field houses don't look

[15:52] great. They mostly look really bad in fact. This one definitely looks much

[15:55] better than a lot of others, but I just think being, you know,

[15:59] so close to Sandex and so close to the road is there just some other

[16:03] ornamentation or something that isn't steel panel that could be maybe added

[16:06] within those? And I don't just mean signage. I think signage helps a little

[16:09] bit, but I'm sure there's a limit to signage, right? You can't just put

[16:12] signage everywhere. I just I don't know. Is like I said, is there like a full

[16:15] window or fake window or something where it doesn't cause a glare, but you still

[16:18] get a cosmetic that's maybe put in some of those recesses or something? I'm just

[16:22] throwing out ideas. >> Thank you.

[16:24] » We did consider like a spandrel panel window and and ultimately, I mean this

[16:28] might be a difference of opinion. Whenever I see spandrel panel window, it

[16:31] looks like there's something uh so it's not

[16:35] » There's always this kind of this notion of uh covering up of a window that some

[16:39] you don't know what's going on inside and so it just looks fake and it looks

[16:43] like they're trying to cover up what's going on inside. So, we didn't think

[16:46] that I said I don't think that gave the right impression.

[16:50] Uh and and I think there you know, I do think there's we broke up the facade in

[16:54] a manner uh with the this the banding of the

[16:58] metal panel in a manner. That just it does create a little more pedestrian

[17:01] feel. Uh the building itself is about 2 ft

[17:04] lower than Loomis. So, just for taking advantage of the natural grading of the

[17:09] site. Again, all of this is contributing to a much more

[17:13] uh you know, human scaled of facade I think than

[17:16] than what perhaps you're portraying it as.

[17:18] » Question for you. The brick on the north side, and then even

[17:24] northwest, I guess. There it looks like there's a little bit of a brick line on

[17:28] there, like a foot-ish or two. Is that correct?

[17:33] And if so, does that also carry all the way across the southwest?

[17:38] » There's some more graphics than just this one of those. It's not in this

[17:42] There's three different >> Do you see what I'm seeing, Adam? It

[17:45] looks like there's a little bit of brick on the bottom.

[17:47] » And in this corner? >> No, no, no, no. If you go to Yep, yep,

[17:50] right there on the bottom. >> Yeah.

[17:51] » brick on the bottom? >> It looks like

[17:53] » Yeah. >> Are you talking about this

[17:55] » Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, on here. >> around the office here.

[17:59] » That does go all the way around. >> Well, okay, I shouldn't say on the back

[18:02] side, but around like what faces of this is that all

[18:04] » It's in the bottom one. >> So, like right here. You can't see that.

[18:10] » How tall is that?

[18:14] » Yeah, I think >> I think he's talking about like here.

[18:19] » You know, um

[18:21] I thought it was great. I mean, I don't I don't

[18:23] » Yeah. >> I I'm I looked at the the thought that

[18:26] went into putting the bricks in there, having the different textures to the

[18:29] facade, the different colors to the side, the white on top kind of mimics a

[18:33] window. I thought great care was taken to try to soften this building. And for

[18:40] And for the kind of building it is, I appreciate it. I don't want you to think

[18:43] I mean, we're we're a group, so we all have different opinions.

[18:46] » Yeah. >> We we don't all have the same opinion,

[18:48] so I I think you did a good job.

[18:51] » agree with you, but I agree on >> [laughter]

[18:54] » And I I I despise faux faux windows. I I think that it it does like

[19:01] it it um gives it gives it a cheesy kind of look.

[19:05] Um I I like the white the white on top gives it a I feel like it is a transom.

[19:11] Uh and I like the brick uh down.

[19:15] I I think from where we started, like when they were talking about how we're

[19:18] we're going to fit all this parking and make it work next door, I think you guys

[19:22] did a great job on figuring that out uh on there. I like I like the glass in the

[19:27] front entrance, so I um

[19:31] I I commend you guys for for the work that you guys did on it. Um, you know,

[19:37] things could always be better. I've been critical of other projects over here on

[19:41] use of materials and and stuff, and I think the materials are appropriate. Uh,

[19:47] I like the colors. Really like the green and the white and the brick. Um,

[19:51] so and uh for a commercial building you want something that's nice but doesn't

[19:57] is not crazy for maintenance, so that it can always look clean

[20:01] and doesn't you know doesn't take you know uh and then

[20:05] uh constant uh work to make it look good, so

[20:09] I'm very I'm very pleased with what we have here.

[20:14] » Thank you. You asked a question on the brick

[20:17] height. >> Yes.

[20:18] » Okay. Uh 2 by 4 is probably where it's

[20:29] » What What also What also helps, and I didn't

[20:32] see in the lighting plan, is um

[20:35] any up-lighting that you have on the on the wall in the evening would be would

[20:39] be great. So, like you had a spotlight on that R logo uh would be fantastic.

[20:46] » want to have some sort of lighting on the logo. I know the other gentleman

[20:48] pointed out the logo on the side that faces Lewis. We're not set on that being

[20:52] a logo. I know we have to submit the signage to the you know, get it approved

[20:54] and stuff. We're also talking about putting the Roosevelt Rapid Club logo on

[20:58] one of my shirts on that side, so people driving by don't have to try to pick up

[21:02] our what is this logo what is this place. This was just We were throwing on

[21:05] many iterations of logos around the outside We got this in submitted for the

[21:09] time for this meeting, but that's not like a finalized logo.

[21:13] » Uplighting on the wall with the logo, I think would be a a great touch.

[21:17] » I do like the logo. >> You do like the logo?

[21:19] » I like the logo, too.

[21:24] » Yeah, you do get a sense that this is a some sort of like with the ball like,

[21:29] you know, it that it does you're getting racquetball out of that.

[21:33] A racket sport here.

[21:37] » Well, we do have stickers. They're quite >> [laughter]

[21:41] » So, this is a secondary logo that says Roosevelt Racquet Club for those that

[21:45] may not be from Greendale. Like, we'll have multiple variations, but this just

[21:49] helps people understand if you're looking at it, it's got the R and you

[21:52] see Greendale, Wisconsin, you have no idea what type of business this is. So,

[21:55] we have two variations of that logo. Obviously, the other one's on my shirt

[21:59] also and that's on the building for now. But, they're interchangeable.

[22:02] » It looked like a handle on it, so it looked like a racket.

[22:05] » One question I have for the design designer. Um with the RTUs on the back,

[22:11] are you confident like obviously know you're not

[22:14] going to be able to see these from the north because of the tree line that's

[22:16] there in the creek and you're not going to see them from back because the back

[22:19] has trees. Is there any possible belief just given

[22:23] the height of the structure that you think you may even slightly see those

[22:26] from like over Sendik's cuz I mean let's be real, this is going to tower over

[22:29] Sendik's. I just think that's one thing that you build, you know, a very nice

[22:32] building. Like I said, I agree that it's a very beautiful building. Nothing

[22:35] wrecks a beautiful building more than seeing RTUs on a roof. Has there been

[22:38] any thought of putting them on the ground or has there been any thought on

[22:40] screening because like you said, I would just hate to have this beautiful

[22:43] building and then you're putting this big metal box on the back that cuz let's

[22:46] be real, they don't they don't blend in with the roof usually. They're usually

[22:49] silver and shiny and not the best looking.

[22:53] » So, yeah, that's a >> That's a good question. Um you know,

[22:56] again, the site, you know, we we've been eking every square foot out out of the

[23:00] site for parking and for storm water and for all the other requirements. So, we

[23:04] would love Trust me, we would love to put those on the on the ground, but

[23:07] there's just not enough room. Uh so, we have to we have to put them in the air.

[23:12] We all these renderings are have those uh

[23:16] uh are to use uh modeled. Uh in other words, none of them show

[23:20] that. So, and we can continue What we didn't I admittedly we did not do a uh

[23:25] uh a view study uh from kind of behind self of St. X. And we certainly

[23:32] could do that. Um but we're there you know, it

[23:36] you get far away enough away from anything uh the perspective will either

[23:41] let you see it or it's too far away so you can't see it. So, um we should We're

[23:44] happy to to take that as those views and let you see them if you're if that'd be

[23:48] helpful. But we're pretty confident they won't be uh

[23:51] uh obstructive or uh very

[23:54] uh uh

[23:56] unesthetic from from standard. >> What color are they?

[24:02] » The the you you are we they are whatever comes off the

[24:04] manufacturer You can't paint those things. Uh they're

[24:07] I guess that's I will tell you. So, we do have some samples not that you not of

[24:12] the our uh rooftop units, but uh some metal

[24:15] panels and some bricks. Uh ultimately the roof we probably didn't bring The

[24:20] roof is going to be like a a French gray uh uh color. And the rooftop probably

[24:25] not the rooftop units typically are in that that range.

[24:29] » I've worked on projects where and and I I've never gone this route so

[24:33] I don't know how well it works where they wrap like you wrap a vehicle to get

[24:37] cuz I know painting is a little different if there is a aesthetic

[24:40] concern. I just cuz like I said, if it don't match the roof, it's not a big

[24:43] deal, right? But we know a lot of sheet metal cuz there's usually sheet metal

[24:46] involved in these is shiny, glossy, and you know, stands out

[24:50] like a sore thumb sometimes. So, I just I don't know. Something to be

[24:53] aware of and so. Maybe you don't see it. Like I said,

[24:56] it's hard to tell without a view. >> So, it's not the same.

[24:58] » We'll take a deeper dive into it. >> No,

[25:00] it's just like that. >> Uh but would you I would like to mention

[25:03] that uh just offhand, I know we're just looking at this from a zoning

[25:07] standpoint, but from a building code standpoint, I believe with the slope of

[25:09] the roof, that these rooftop units would need some access platform. So, there

[25:12] will be some kind of access platform out there that will then affect the the

[25:16] cosmetics and how that would look.

[25:20] » They need to have access. They need to either have a fall protection of some

[25:24] sort, I guess. It could be a railing, could be a

[25:26] davit into the roof. So, we we do we understand we have to figure that out.

[25:31] » Is there ability >> It's just like a

[25:33] a fence of some type that just blocks it then.

[25:36] » No. >> I mean

[25:37] » When was it? >> I mean, there's those they make the

[25:40] systems that hang off the units for that purpose, but it's something Yeah, I

[25:43] don't know. I That would be my worry is it now I I'm not thinking about that. If

[25:46] you have to have a platform or a rail, my worry is those often become yellow.

[25:51] Um you know, is there a way to not allow them to be yellow? You know, where any

[25:54] of these things have to, you know, match a building color, roof color?

[25:57] » The one thing I'll say is I'm not an engineer or anything close to it, but

[26:01] when you're standing anywhere on the sidewalk that goes down to Luna's, it's

[26:04] the same thing. If it's on like the far side of the building, it's on the close

[26:08] side towards the west. And with how big the front facade is and where it's

[26:12] positioned with the slope of the roof, and I feel like I wouldn't be able to

[26:17] see it. I'm also just a dude that walks on the street and says first thing.

[26:19] » Like that one you do obviously. >> But so, I I just Like just if you look

[26:24] at the renderings and how it would be set and like I feel like you would

[26:27] literally have to be as far in the back corner of Sundix to like even try to see

[26:32] it. So, it's >> Sure.

[26:33] » Just like passing day I I get what you're saying. Like I agree like let's

[26:36] try not to ruin a beautiful building with a giant shiny box. So,

[26:40] » Yeah. >> I think we'll do everything we can to

[26:42] make sure that it looks like it fits with the

[26:44] » I think as long as there's thought put into it, that goes a long way.

[26:47] » Yeah. I think that >> Sure.

[26:49] » I don't know. You could >> You can't make every building look

[26:50] exactly the same. >> Yeah.

[26:52] » Well, one last thing. I mean, you guys nailed it. So,

[26:55] » I mean, this you know, branding is a big part of

[26:58] it. So, I think this is pretty cool. This is quality. Meaning that, you know,

[27:01] people drive by and be like, it's a cool I mean, you get all kinds of you know,

[27:03] marketing is a big deal. So, you get all kinds of cheesy logos out there.

[27:06] » Well, we're starting at the Green Apple Market this Saturday, so I'll let you

[27:10] see us if you guys want to talk to us more there.

[27:12] » Exactly, but you know what I mean? >> We'll have a little bit of tan, we'll

[27:14] have backdrops, we'll have actually the building renderings if you guys like it

[27:17] tonight, we're going to bring out there if you guys like it.

[27:20] Um, yeah. >> So, yeah, logos, color scheme, all that

[27:23] stuff is really kind of cool. You guys you guys nailed it.

[27:25] » Thank you. >> Um, but we're not talking money. Just

[27:28] one thing I'm going to throw out there cuz I I was just going to hand this off

[27:31] to Paul later on anyway, but uh, you have stair the the uh, courts are lower?

[27:35] » Yeah. >> So, make sure you got access to those.

[27:37] » Yeah, there's also there that goes up there.

[27:39] » So, that's a two-stop? That elevator goes it goes down to the court level as

[27:43] well? >> Yeah.

[27:45] » Then you got it. Okay. >> staircase and elevator and it goes to

[27:48] the lower the foundation of the >> Yeah. Excellent. Cuz I was looking at

[27:51] that, I was like, I didn't see any doors on the back side of the elevator. I was

[27:53] like, oh man, I hope they didn't do that. Then you're good.

[27:56] » Mhm. This is purely a recommendation, but

[28:00] with these colors I'd highly recommend a black roof and that gray and the grays

[28:03] can get really kind of weird. So, it's purely a recommendation.

[28:07] And that's me from roofing for like 30 years, so.

[28:12] » I just put a black roof on my house and it looks really sharp.

[28:15] » [laughter] >> I If you want to come look at my house,

[28:17] you can. >> GREEN SIDING

[28:20] » AND A BLACK [laughter] ROOF. SO, the green looks really close to that color.

[28:23] » I'm with you on that one. >> [laughter]

[28:25] » Green and black roof. And red brick.

[28:30] All right. >> [laughter]

[28:34] » Where we at? Good?

[28:36] » Yeah. >> Yeah, so before before we would go

[28:38] through and do a roll call and vote, I just want to make sure that we're

[28:41] addressing all the things that Kristen put specifically in her report. Um, like

[28:45] the bike racks they talked about um, minor modifications to the bike racks. I

[28:49] assume that's okay with with the applicant. Uh, the sign permitting, I

[28:53] received your okay with that also. Um, the number of parking spaces, I just

[28:57] wanted to to formally bring that up. Planning Commission saw the number of

[29:00] parking spaces and was like, "Okay with that."

[29:02] Um, the storm water management plan will be reviewed by our village engineer as

[29:06] was noted on there, um, including the proximity of the flood

[29:10] plain. Uh, I think the other the other big

[29:12] thing was the market analysis. So, Kristen had brought that up in her her

[29:15] review. It is the Planning Commission's option to require a market analysis. Uh,

[29:21] but if Planning Commission decides to waive it, it doesn't have to be done.

[29:24] » What's what's that? >> What would be the purpose for us to see

[29:27] it? >> What's that?

[29:29] » The it's a, you know, a market study to show what?

[29:33] » Just to show, I mean, would this business fit in the community? Do you

[29:36] think feel it would be successful? Like a market analysis is going to kind of

[29:40] tell you, um, the answers to those questions.

[29:42] » feel like with being such a, you know, niche business, but in a good way,

[29:45] right? And obviously they wouldn't spend, you know, what, upwards of $4

[29:48] million to spend a building if they didn't think there was a market for it,

[29:51] right? So, I don't think that'd be needed.

[29:54] » Oh. >> I don't think we should be the ones to

[29:57] tell you that. It's something you wanted to do.

[29:59] » And that's between you you and your lender.

[30:02] » [laughter]

[30:05] » Yeah, that's coming from a lender. >> [laughter]

[30:09] [snorts] >> Okay.

[30:12] » I can support that. So, I'll make the motion.

[30:14] » Okay. Make a motion to approve basically

[30:18] everything with what she has. >> Exactly.

[30:20] » I'll second that. Um, any other discussion?

[30:23] I ask for a roll call, please. >> Commissioner Allet?

[30:27] » Aye. >> Commissioner Gamboa?

[30:29] » Aye. >> Uh, Commissioner Trzebiatowski?

[30:32] » Aye. >> Commissioner Kozerski?

[30:34] » Aye. >> Commissioner Kramer?

[30:35] » Aye. >> President Sprosky?

[30:37] » Aye.

[30:40] » All right. >> Thank you, guys.

[30:42] » Um, so so with that being approved, we'll work to have that on the board

[30:46] trustee meeting, which will be 13 days from today.

[30:51] » You're so excited. This is not a carwash.

[30:54] » Yes, it is. Uh

[30:58] that's a good question. Let me pull out my cheat sheet.

[31:09] public hearing needed. >> No. No public hearing.

[31:17] » No, there's there's no public hearing needed, but there will there's going to

[31:19] be time for our citizen comments. But there's not going to be a formal

[31:23] public hearing in public. Uh so like there we're not going to notice it and

[31:26] so on, but there will have the opportunity for citizen comment.

[31:29] » It'll be like a meeting in this room, though, right?

[31:31] » Correct.

[31:37] » And the neighbors behind you are thrilled that you're not a carwash.

[31:42] And you're actually going to block the noise from Loomis Road for a lot of the

[31:44] neighbors. Yeah.

[31:48] Mhm. >> Okay.

[31:50] » [clears throat] >> All right. I'm going to make a motion to

[31:52] adjourn. >> Second.

[31:54] » All right.

[31:56] » I. >> I.

[31:57] » I. >> Commissioner Rowlette.

[32:01] » I. >> Commissioner Gamboa.

[32:02] » I. >> Uh Commissioner Szepanski.

[32:04] » I. >> Commissioner Kozarizky.

[32:06] » I. >> Commissioner Kramer.

[32:07] » I. >> President Szepanski.

[32:10] All right. Thank you, guys. >> Yeah, thank you.

[32:12] » See you in uh 15 days. >> [laughter]

[32:25] » The park committee we just don't say anything.

[32:27] » Good. I like stuff like that.

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