[1:48]

[2:06] Thank you.

[2:07] There are a couple of members who were off this trial

[2:10] traveling.

[2:11] So there are a few people who may be joining us remotely

[2:19] Councilmember johnston, would you please lead

[2:20] us in the pledge of Allegiance?

[2:23] OK.

[2:24] Good bye out of the United States of America

[2:27] and to the Republic for which it stands, One nation under God

[2:32] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[2:36] Thank you The first part of business is approval

[2:41] of the minutes Are there any corrections to the August

[2:43] 3rd 20 26 minutes ?

[2:48] Council member stall may have a motion to approve the minutes.

[2:52] Mr. Mayor, I'm having trouble pulling up the script.

[2:57] Could somebody else do that for me instead?

[3:00] Please?

[3:00] Certainly.

[3:01] I move to approve the August 3rd,

[3:03] 2026, regular meeting minutes as submitted We have a second.

[3:08] Thank you, Madam deputy City Clerk.

[3:12] Please call the vote I'm sorry.

[3:18] Who is the second on that?

[3:19] Nelson Thank you Council member Johnston.

[3:24] Yes.

[3:25] Council Member Nelson Yes.

[3:27] Council Member.

[3:28] Doyle.

[3:28] Yes.

[3:29] Council Member.

[3:30] Stall Yes Council Member.

[3:33] Wisner Yeah.

[3:35] Council member.

[3:36] Metzger Council Member.

[3:41] Schneiderman Yes.

[3:43] And Council member Nicole is not logged in at this time.

[3:46] The member Barnicle is right here.

[3:48] Yes, she's present.

[3:49] Can you hear?

[3:50] Yes, Thank you.

[3:51] The motion passes Thank you Public comment is limited

[3:57] to a discussion of items that are not on the council

[3:59] agenda for a total of 15 minutes and set forth in the printed

[4:02] agenda which also provides that anyone wish to speak

[4:05] will be limited to three minutes per person.

[4:07] I will call on those who signed the public comment sheet first

[4:15] We have one person signed up Hilary Chen would

[4:19] you please come forward and give us your name

[4:21] and address for the record Oh, it's my first time doing

[4:27] this mine to One of my name is Hilary ching C g

[4:34] And I'm here on behalf of my parents, who are at 43,

[4:38] 98, South Alton Street Is that what you need it?

[4:41] Whoever it was asking you may proceed.

[4:44] OK Well, I am actually here to discuss the measure

[4:49] on the green with the village greens

[4:51] park parking lot expansion for triggering high school I'm just.

[4:55] I know that I'm probably late to the game,

[4:57] but I would just like to speak my piece.

[5:01] I'm here As a Cherry Creek alumni,

[5:04] I'm here and against the village green park expansion.

[5:07] And I wanted to talk about three small but mighty things

[5:11] Oh oh, okay First, I wanted to talk about inconvenience

[5:16] because I do feel like we have forgotten the value of being

[5:20] inconvenienced We live in a culture that treats friction

[5:24] as a problem to be engineered away with same day delivery Door

[5:28] to door.

[5:28] Everything And we've gotten so good at removing

[5:31] small inconveniences that we've started to treat any convenience

[5:35] as an immediate emergency requiring correction

[5:39] So when we're asked to permanent remove a park

[5:42] or remove a park for ten years past, most of your ten years,

[5:46] I think to save 190 students and inconvenience of parking It's

[5:52] a big ask.

[5:53] It's okay for students to ride the school

[5:55] bus to carpool to bike ride or to walk to school.

[6:00] So I'd ask this board to consider if this is actually

[6:03] a parking problem or we can't tolerate

[6:06] a small intervening problem because only one of these

[6:10] requires us to bulldoze a space I'd also ask if we could

[6:14] publicly make known the safety studies that were involved

[6:18] for this parking measure.

[6:20] We're asking 198 new teens to come

[6:24] in and out of a really small nook in our community in a.

[6:27] That was never built for that type of volume.

[6:30] 16 and 17 year olds have, without a doubt,

[6:32] the highest crash rate of any age group in this nation.

[6:35] So I would like that to be considered

[6:37] for the safety of our community And lastly, I

[6:41] would like to know if there were environmental impact studies

[6:44] done for this parking measure We're asking in the middle

[6:47] of a drought in the.

[6:49] You know, we're we're under 20% water restriction

[6:51] zones to rip out grass and trees natural resources

[6:55] for our beautiful community, things that are cooling our air

[6:59] and recharging groundwater This isn't just about a park.

[7:03] It's a health measure and a public safety consideration

[7:07] If you look at any city in this country that is thriving,

[7:10] that people want to live in, you will not find them tearing out

[7:13] a park to build a parking lot Look at any strong school

[7:17] district a school district.

[7:18] Our kids would be proud to attend that are

[7:21] doing just the opposite.

[7:23] They're creating adding parks, protecting green spaces

[7:26] because we know it's an asset that once we build over it,

[7:29] we will not get back.

[7:31] Greenwood Village, as progressive as we say we are,

[7:34] should be moving in that direction as well.

[7:36] Thank you Thank you very much Normally,

[7:40] there's no comments, bye.

[7:42] Would just like to let you know that that park is not owned

[7:47] by the city It is owned by this is due by the Cherry Creek

[7:51] School District And so the Cherry Creek School District

[7:54] is the proprietor and made the decision

[7:57] that they were going to change it

[7:58] from Parkland to a parking lot.

[8:01] Current we are publicly funded school as well.

[8:05] So i would think that we have some supporters

[8:09] in unfortunately not.

[8:11] You know it Is there anyone here who would like also like

[8:18] to speak that did not sign up and moving on council will now

[8:26] conduct a quasi judicial hearing regarding

[8:29] cases number of dash 20 6-00017 and P.S. dash 20 6-000 26.

[8:38] For a special use permit and site development plan

[8:40] for Grace chapel to repurpose an existing building and parking

[8:44] lot for a place of worship and Event Center at 8500

[8:48] East Orchard Road Copies of the public hearing procedure

[8:52] are on the table outside the entrance of the room.

[8:54] The council will hear and consider any testimony

[8:57] or evidence presented.

[8:58] Those desiring to speak should have

[9:00] sign their names on the sign in sheet, which i now have.

[9:04] I remind everyone that they will be sworn in before testifying

[9:07] Will the City Attorney please address

[9:09] the question of the Council's jurisdiction

[9:11] and to conduct this hearing?

[9:13] Thank you, Mayor I have before me

[9:16] an affidavit labeled as exhibit A, which indicates

[9:22] that a notice of the date, time, place

[9:24] and purpose of this hearing, as published on the city's website,

[9:26] at least 15 days preceding this hearing

[9:29] as required by the Greenwood village Municipal Code and i.

[9:33] Offer into evidence that affidavit

[9:35] as proof of such publication publication of such notice.

[9:39] Secondly I have before me an affidavit indicating that notice

[9:43] of this hearing was also posted on the property for a period

[9:46] of at least 15 continuous days prior to this hearing

[9:50] and offer that affidavit it into evidence as Exhibit B Third.

[9:54] I have before me an affidavit of mailing indicating that notice

[9:58] of the date, time, place, and purpose of this hearing

[10:01] was also sent by mail to property owners

[10:03] as outlined in the municipal code of the city Per This type

[10:06] of application and at least 15 days prior to this hearing

[10:10] And offer into evidence that affidavit as Exhibit

[10:13] C from my examination of the file and the documents

[10:17] mentioned just now, it's my opinion

[10:19] that the Council has jurisdiction to proceed

[10:21] with this public hearing.

[10:23] Thank you.

[10:23] Mr. City Attorney.

[10:24] Exhibits A, B, and c are accepting that evidence

[10:27] and are made a part of the record of this hearing

[10:29] And I asked the city's representative

[10:31] to describe the request location of the property

[10:34] and provide any other pertinent information before the applicant

[10:37] presents their case I request that the city council hold

[10:41] any questions until after the applicant completes

[10:45] their presentation Would you please introduce yourself

[10:50] and give us your address?

[10:51] Grady Timmerman 66 South Quebec Street,

[10:54] Greenwood village, Colorado.

[10:55] 80111.

[10:57] Which can only Do you swear to tell the truth,

[10:58] the whole truth I do.

[10:59] Thank you.

[11:00] Please proceed.

[11:02] Thank you.

[11:02] Honorable Mayor and members of City Council.

[11:04] I'm grady Timmerman, planner to.

[11:06] And tonight I will be presenting case number 26 dash 17 and 26.

[11:10] DoorDash 26.

[11:11] Especially use permit and site own plan at 8500 East Orchard

[11:15] Road, the applicant is Doug Spiller with Back architecture,

[11:21] the applicant is requesting a special use permit and site

[11:24] development plan to allow Grace Chapel to establish

[11:26] a place of worship use with an auditorium sized to allow up

[11:30] to a thousand seats in the existing building 8500 East

[11:36] Orchard Road is the old chapter's building

[11:38] and current booth farm The zoning in their properties

[11:40] mixed commercial and is located in their state

[11:42] corner planning area.

[11:43] The Comprehensive Plan adjacent properties to the north

[11:46] south and east are also zoned.

[11:48] AMC adjacent uses include I-25 right away.

[11:51] Office and Research and Development

[11:57] Here are some site photos.

[11:58] And so the existing conditions of the property both photos are

[12:01] of the boot barn with the photo on the left

[12:03] is taken while looking south, while the photo on the right

[12:06] was taken.

[12:06] We're looking east The existing building

[12:11] is proposed to be repurposed with the following

[12:13] modifications.

[12:14] The building will be repaired and repainted A new storefront

[12:18] will an entry will be installed and new rooftop screening will

[12:22] be constructed to screen roof top equipment The Color Material

[12:26] Board identifies terracotta tiles, corrugated steel, roof

[12:29] decking, painted finishes and storefront

[12:31] glazing The proposed landscaping includes adding 21 new trees

[12:38] across five species to the existing 44 trees

[12:41] that will be retained More than 305 gallon shrubs.

[12:45] An evergreen shrub plantings are proposed to soften the exterior

[12:48] of the new trash enclosure Open space

[12:51] is proposed to nearly double with an increase

[12:52] from 10.9% to 20%.

[12:58] Moving on to lighting the Photometric plan in the Esdp

[13:00] meets all the requirements of the MDP and lBC with respect

[13:03] to height color, temperature, and brightness Next,

[13:10] we have access and parking The subject property is access from

[13:14] the existing drive accesses along south Wabash Way per

[13:22] section 16 dash 21 5:30 places of worship require one parking

[13:26] space per for seats in the sanctuary The proposal includes

[13:30] 250 standard spaces win 250 is required by the LDC and they are

[13:35] proposing five accessible spaces regarding traffic impacts That

[13:41] is not anticipating any significant impacts to traffic

[13:45] due to offset peak travel times Public

[13:48] works staff completed a review of the traffic impact study.

[13:50] And concurs with the methodology assumptions and conclusions

[13:53] presented.

[13:55] Staff finds that the proposed development can be accommodated

[13:57] by the existing and planned transportation network

[14:00] and does not require transportation mitigation

[14:02] beyond improvements already identified

[14:04] as a part of the city's long range transportation planning

[14:07] efforts Regarding the aCP review criteria for the development

[14:13] of the site, as was outlined in the staff report staff

[14:16] finds all four of the criteria in the affirmative Staff

[14:19] finds that places of worship are a use permitted in the mixed

[14:21] commercial zone district in accordance with the special use

[14:24] permit and staff finds that the proposal provides improved

[14:27] landscaping and open space parking that meets l

[14:30] d C's ratio for the proposed seating

[14:32] capacity with the required number of accessible spaces.

[14:36] Buildings setbacks, far exceeding minimums and all sides

[14:39] and renovated building elevate elevations with screened rooftop

[14:43] equipment consistent with the siting design standards

[14:45] of the ALDC regarding the steep review criteria

[14:51] as was outlined in the staff report staff on all five

[14:54] of the criteria in the affirmative Staff

[14:56] finds that the request to repurpose the existing building

[14:58] for a place of worship is consistent with the interstate

[15:01] planning area's vision of a mix of low to mid density office,

[15:05] institutional and civic uses.

[15:08] This would be classified as an institutional use Next step

[15:11] finds the development to be compatible with surrounding

[15:13] commercial the surrounding, commercial and office contacts

[15:17] with active activity occurring outside

[15:20] of the employment districts.

[15:21] Business hours Staff also finds that the development mitigates

[15:26] its impacts to those as there is no change

[15:29] to building height or massing.

[15:31] So view corridors are in affected

[15:33] and property value should be positively impacted

[15:35] by the renovation of the building

[15:37] with the substantial improvement to site

[15:39] landscaping and open space.

[15:42] Lastly, staff finds that the development

[15:43] is in conformance with the standards set forth

[15:45] in the MGP and the general development objectives set forth

[15:48] in the site and design standards of building

[15:50] C based on the review criteria.

[15:56] Findings staff recommends that City Council

[15:58] approve the ACP in step per section 16 dash

[16:01] to 70 F. City council.

[16:05] So determine whether the ACP sale be transferable to other

[16:08] owners and shall make such determination on a condition

[16:11] of approval and august 4th, 2026,

[16:15] the planning zoning Commission recommended approval for both

[16:17] the ACP and a steep Thank you for your time,

[16:22] and I will now turn it over to Doug

[16:24] Spiller for his presentation.

[16:25] Staff will remain available for questions Thank

[16:29] you Would you please give us your name

[16:33] and address for the record?

[16:36] Yes, my name is Doug Spieler Excuse me.

[16:40] A tenant on 17th Street, Suite P L Hundreds in Denver.

[16:46] 80202 Coy Williams Address is 6200.

[16:52] South Syracuse way Suite 308 Greenwood

[16:55] village 80111 East Where to tell the truth All truth.

[17:00] Yes, sir Please proceed We did do Josh to Can we swear in One

[17:08] more member of our project team who certainly can do that now

[17:11] or later, if he gets Good evening Good to see you again,

[17:17] Council mayor.

[17:18] And in Joshua island, 1199 91 to run court and luxury

[17:22] Colorado to swear to tell the truth.

[17:24] The whole truth.

[17:25] I swear to tell the truth Thank you.

[17:26] Please proceed.

[17:27] Proceed Gentlemen Thank you, Will.

[17:30] Good evening.

[17:31] Distinguished members of this city council, as mentioned

[17:35] my name is Doug Spieler, representing back But

[17:37] more importantly is the applicant on behalf of Grace

[17:39] Chapel tonight, along with my consulting partner, Coy Williams

[17:43] and Kimberly Horn, we promise to provide a brief

[17:46] and I'll emphasize brief overview of the project.

[17:48] And really are very prepared to answer questions.

[17:52] We first wish to thank the Greenwood village staff as we

[17:55] began this journey together over 13 months ago

[17:58] throughout the entire process, they have been.

[18:01] Simply wonderful to work with.

[18:02] And we greatly appreciate their efforts,

[18:04] most namely grady Timmerman, Derek sturtz and Derek Holcomb

[18:09] at this time.

[18:10] Again, we'd like to reintroduce Pastor Josh Weidman

[18:12] senior pastor of Grace Chapel, who

[18:14] provided good of an overview.

[18:15] Before we get into our present please.

[18:18] It's great to be with you, and I'm excited to talk

[18:20] to you about this project.

[18:21] I grew up in South Denver.

[18:23] I was born in Air Force Academy base as a baby in Abilene, Texas

[18:28] But Denver is what I know and i love South Denver.

[18:31] And I remember as a child driving on the highway

[18:34] looking at the shuffler sign and remembering this building

[18:37] with my brother in the back of our old Dodge minivan,

[18:40] thinking, what's it like in there?

[18:41] That's where the Cowboys go.

[18:43] And especially that simpler sign that

[18:45] is still iconic to this day.

[18:47] I never thought I'd be standing here

[18:49] tonight before a city council thinking that we'd be doing

[18:51] something in that building.

[18:52] But I'm excited for what we plan to do in that building,

[18:55] and I'm hopeful that you'll support us

[18:56] in this venture I want to tell you a little bit

[18:59] about who we are as a church.

[19:00] I want to tell you what we're about

[19:02] And I want I want to explain to you why we believe

[19:04] that this building is the best building

[19:06] for our future ministry.

[19:09] Great job.

[19:09] It was founded in 1979, in south Denver.

[19:12] We were started in the mortuary and then soon

[19:15] bought our building in 1985.

[19:18] Outgrew that After building the second story,

[19:20] moved back into a school and through one

[19:23] of the purchase of a property.

[19:24] And finally ended up at our property.

[19:26] We've been there since 1995.

[19:28] Located at 8505 South Valley Highway just off the highway

[19:32] across from Park Meadows on the other the east side of I-25 We

[19:37] understand what it's like to be on the highway We also

[19:40] understand what it's like to rehabilitate an old building We

[19:44] bought an old car dealership, almost

[19:46] the same square footage Our current property is 85,000ft².

[19:51] And it was the low paying property as a car dealership

[19:54] far before Park Meadows broke ground.

[19:56] We actually moved in the year that they broke ground.

[20:00] We have been there for over 30 years.

[20:02] And we have a design here to serve South

[20:05] Denver That's why we exist.

[20:07] We're almost 50 years old as a church or non-denominational

[20:11] or a Bible teaching church.

[20:12] And our mission is simple.

[20:14] It's to lead people to find and follow Jesus That's why we exist

[20:18] But we don't want to just focus inward

[20:20] We don't just focus on our people

[20:22] But we know the Bible commands us to love our neighbors

[20:25] and we take that command very seriously

[20:27] And we would love to join Greenwood Village

[20:29] and love on this city and love on the people that are here.

[20:32] What does it look like for us to love our neighbors?

[20:34] Well, for 45 years we've been doing

[20:36] that with quite a bit of practice

[20:38] We've partnered with Douglas County, the Maine county

[20:40] that we've been in for almost the whole of our existence,

[20:43] especially on our current property.

[20:45] We serve those in need.

[20:46] We've provided space for their police departments and fire

[20:50] departments to do drills and have meetings Six years ago,

[20:55] I was able to found a ANU Counseling

[20:57] center, a free counseling center,

[20:59] to help those with mental health issues at no cost to anyone

[21:02] in the community Anyone can apply for free counseling

[21:05] at our counseling center for our apartment neighbors.

[21:08] We've held taco truck nights, free community nights for them,

[21:12] welcome gifts for residents who are moving into the apartments

[21:15] and for the public.

[21:16] We've continued to do festivals and events that

[21:18] love on the public and make this a place where people

[21:20] like to come and feel welcomed.

[21:22] I also think you should know that over 20%

[21:24] of our budget, everything that comes in

[21:27] goes right back out our doors.

[21:29] We spend it on the community or we spend it on efforts

[21:32] worldwide to impact people We've loved doing that

[21:35] for Douglas County but I would love to do

[21:38] that for Greenwood Village.

[21:39] We would love to be here and to love on your people

[21:42] I love to take an old landmark and give it new life,

[21:47] and that's been an important building building.

[21:49] I remember, like I said, since i was a child.

[21:51] So it was has history has been a part of this community.

[21:54] And we would love to bring something to that space

[21:58] for the next generation.

[21:59] Think of it like taking a sports historic space

[22:02] and giving it some kind of holy purpose.

[22:05] Our vision is not just a Sunday space for gathering.

[22:08] We want to build a place where Greenwood Village would

[22:11] be served Seven days a week.

[22:12] We want to have a public coffee shop that's open for people

[22:15] to come in to work in for co-working space,

[22:18] for other business people, residents,

[22:20] commuters, professionals.

[22:22] We want to still offer a free counseling center continuing

[22:25] to do the work that we've been doing,

[22:27] counseling people for free, helping people in crisis.

[22:30] So that's our heart.

[22:31] And then we want to still have community events and service

[22:34] projects, things that we love on local businesses

[22:37] and the local residents.

[22:39] Again, we've been visible on i-25 for 30 years.

[22:41] We know what it's like to be kind of the face of a community

[22:45] on the highway across from a prominent shopping mall

[22:48] and we believe that we can do that even better

[22:50] We're located on the highway in Greenwood Village

[22:53] and represent this city.

[22:55] Well.

[22:55] I've taken time to study your core values.

[22:57] I see your core values of quality

[22:59] of life and economic vitality, thoughtful development

[23:02] And we believe that we can contribute

[23:04] to all Three of these things.

[23:06] Our coffee shop.

[23:07] And our counseling center will provide

[23:09] practical support to people.

[23:12] Obviously But then people that will come

[23:14] will support the local businesses.

[23:16] We believe that our events will enhance

[23:19] not detract from the neighborhood

[23:22] We want it to enhance it.

[23:23] Again, we bring 30 years of being of experience,

[23:27] of being in a highly visible location,

[23:28] and we want to take all that we've learned

[23:30] and use it here in this place Also,

[23:34] this community has been a village, has been a launching

[23:37] pad to worldwide business containing headquarters

[23:40] for major major companies.

[23:42] Think about empower or Red Robin or you have some

[23:46] of these other big companies that have launched from here,

[23:49] we want to be a launching place, a headquarters of sorts We're

[23:52] not here to build a megachurch I've

[23:54] worked for a large megachurch in Chicago.

[23:56] I don't want to host that I don't

[23:58] want to be the pastor of that.

[23:59] But i'd rather be as headquartered the plants

[24:01] churches all over the world, perhaps at least nationally

[24:07] And we think that we can do that with this being kind

[24:10] of our headquarters and a ministry that reaches

[24:12] other people One more thing that I want to mention

[24:14] is the Grace Chapel has been debt free.

[24:16] When I took the pastorate in 2015, we did have that.

[24:20] I made it my goal to make us debt

[24:21] free within the first two years, we did it less than that.

[24:24] And we plan to stay.

[24:25] Debt free the best we can.

[24:27] Just like greenwood Village, I know that we're not a tax

[24:30] income revenue source for you.

[24:32] I understand that.

[24:33] But I believe that what we will bring

[24:34] will be better than any tax revenue You're

[24:37] a wealthy county wealthy city.

[24:39] You've been able to live like us that free

[24:42] and have money in the bank.

[24:44] I think what we will bring to you will

[24:45] be far greater than anything the tax revenue could bring

[24:48] at this location I promise you we

[24:50] won't be a burden We want to be a blessing

[24:53] and i know that change can feel uncertain for the church

[24:55] on the highway as a face of your city could feel uncertain.

[24:59] But i want you to know this.

[25:00] We're not here to disrupt community.

[25:02] We're here to enhance it We're here to serve you.

[25:05] And I hope as the senior leader of this church, that we will i

[25:09] will say we will do everything we can to make sure

[25:12] that Greenwood village is an even better place to live

[25:15] with better quality of life, not just on Sundays,

[25:17] but every single day.

[25:19] Because Grace Chapel calls it our home.

[25:21] So thank You.

[25:22] And we'd love the chance to be in your city.

[25:25] Thank you thank you, Pastor Weidman.

[25:29] I also have a very brief anecdote

[25:31] and just wanted to share personally

[25:33] that in 1980, my family and I moved here to Colorado from New

[25:37] Jersey Yes, New Jersey Hey, as an 11 year old,

[25:42] I remember vividly getting my very first cowboy hat.

[25:46] We got it from shoppers.

[25:48] 46 years later, as an architect, what an honor

[25:52] it is to be in front of you all this evening.

[25:54] And this fine community to help breathe new life

[25:57] into this old landmark again.

[26:02] We promised that we would remain brief.

[26:05] This evening We did want to begin to to at least address

[26:11] this revitalization project, which we believe

[26:13] meets the intent of the comprehensive plan

[26:16] goals for Greenwood Village.

[26:18] In summation, number one, to promote and maintain

[26:21] safety and security.

[26:23] This project will enhance community safety

[26:26] by putting more eyes on the street

[26:28] As Pastor Josh mentioned through the coffee shop and counseling

[26:31] center in particular.

[26:33] Number two, to promote well-maintained built

[26:36] natural environments, this project

[26:37] will renovate the built environment

[26:40] and increase the natural environment.

[26:43] Number three, to promote high quality

[26:45] aesthetic this project will enhance

[26:47] the aesthetic quality by building and adding

[26:51] glazing to the front facade.

[26:53] The West facade and essentially opening the building up

[26:56] to the community.

[26:58] Fourthly, to present promote learning opportunities

[27:02] This project will provide Dale key learning opportunities

[27:05] in a variety of programming.

[27:07] Really as a community resource Fifth, to promote

[27:11] and accessible village.

[27:13] This project will enhance the accessibility both of the site.

[27:16] And of the existing building.

[27:18] And then lastly, to promote responsive stewardship.

[27:23] This project will display stewardship and sustainability

[27:27] by its nature as an adaptive reuse building

[27:30] the most green building that we can build

[27:32] is the one that we renovate.

[27:34] And again, we're proposing this renovation not only of

[27:37] the building and parking lot for church use,

[27:40] but again, in the spirit of this church

[27:44] being deeply community, facing nearly every part

[27:47] of this proposed project would be used to serve the growth,

[27:50] the broader public, not just for religious gatherings but also

[27:54] for practical include some purposes throughout the week

[28:04] and ducted did a great job of outlining,

[28:07] but wanted to highlight some of the site

[28:08] development plan and special use permit criteria.

[28:11] So as we look at the site development plan criteria

[28:13] for the code 16 to 50, whether the development is

[28:17] in conformance with the comprehensive plan,

[28:20] as mentioned previously, we do believe that it will foster

[28:23] community for residents As an owner and operator

[28:26] the Church does take great pride in the landscape and the upkeep

[28:29] of their building.

[28:30] They are not Alessi or tenant operator,

[28:33] so they do take great pride in the upkeep of it.

[28:35] They have a great ground crew staff that that does a great job

[28:39] And then lastly, to promote leisure and learning

[28:41] opportunities by welcoming people into the building

[28:43] through a coffee shop.

[28:45] I personally work in the village and we utilize a coffee

[28:47] shop that's that is in the St Thomas

[28:49] More building almost daily.

[28:52] So it is a huge amenity for folks that work in the village,

[28:55] something that residents.

[28:56] I think would really resonate with.

[29:00] Second, whether the development is compatible

[29:01] with the surrounding land uses.

[29:03] SF mentioned the surrounding land uses are primarily

[29:05] office buildings high density residential

[29:08] and we believe that this fits in really well with that

[29:11] welcoming in the community Third,

[29:13] whether the development adequately mitigates,

[29:16] mitigates any adverse impact.

[29:17] It causes including without limitation, adverse impacts

[29:20] on traffic view corridors noise, property values

[29:23] and the provision of public services as stone,

[29:26] as shown in the traffic study prepared by Kimberly Horn.

[29:28] The traffic impacts do not trigger any proposed

[29:31] improvements on the roadway Network

[29:33] and the surrounding roadway Network maintains

[29:35] acceptable levels of service.

[29:38] One access point on the northwest corner of the property

[29:41] was deemed unsafe during the review

[29:43] and is actually being removed as part of the project due to site

[29:46] visibility triangles Fourth, whether the development is

[29:50] in conformance with the development criteria

[29:52] restrictions and standards set forth in the MDP,

[29:55] the restrictions by the Dtcc have been met

[29:58] and we have been granted a landscape variance

[30:00] by them from 30 down to 20%.

[30:03] We are more than doubling the landscape percentage

[30:05] though on the property.

[30:07] Fifth, whether the development is

[30:09] in conformance with the general development objectives

[30:12] objections, objectives, and six 2120

[30:15] are met with no requests or modifications.

[30:18] Disruption to the existing terrain.

[30:20] As Doug mentioned is minimized.

[30:21] We have reduced the disturbed area to less than one

[30:24] acre outside of the building and we are keeping the existing

[30:27] building pedestrian pedestrian circulation is improved

[30:30] within the site by improving ADA accessibility sidewalks exterior

[30:35] landscaping is upgraded and the building is significant Enhanced

[30:38] with the revised architecture.

[30:41] Sixth, in cases involve parcels with 1 or 2

[30:44] where either the parks trails and Recreation Commission

[30:46] has reviewed the proposal.

[30:48] The property is not zoned o 1 or 2,

[30:50] so it is not applicable next to the special use permit.

[30:54] Appreciate it.

[30:54] Is generally very similar criteria but number one

[30:58] is expressly allowed is a special use district.

[31:00] A place of worship is expressly allowed as a special use

[31:03] district in the AMC zone District Second

[31:06] is compatible with the surrounding land uses.

[31:08] As we mentioned, it is high density residential primarily

[31:10] with office and we believe that we do fit in very well

[31:13] with the surrounding land uses.

[31:16] Third, adequately mitigates adverse impact to its causes,

[31:19] including without limitation and adverse impacts on traffic view

[31:22] corridors, noise, property values and the provision

[31:24] of public services as previously mentioned,

[31:27] the traffic study does not show any proposed improvements

[31:30] required The Roadway Network maintains

[31:32] acceptable levels of service.

[31:33] And we are closing the one access

[31:35] point due to safety concerns.

[31:37] And fourth is properly designed with regard to landscaping,

[31:40] open space, parking setbacks and building

[31:42] elevations and objectives.

[31:44] In 16 2120 are met with no requests for modifications,

[31:48] disruption of the existing terrain

[31:49] is minimized Landscaping has almost

[31:52] been doubled across the entire property with

[31:55] enhanced landscaping across.

[31:56] While we are also trying to maintain the existing tree

[31:59] canopy where possible for the trees that are in good health

[32:03] And lastly, the building design to significantly enhance

[32:06] with revised architecture.

[32:07] I will turn it back over to Doug for site conditions Again,

[32:15] our emphasis tonight is, to be brief.

[32:17] Will spend the next couple of minutes

[32:20] just talking a little bit about the specifics of the project

[32:22] here First of all, just looking here at the existing conditions

[32:28] sites are obviously bounded on I-25 to the west Wabash

[32:31] to the north and willow to the east.

[32:33] It's approximately 4.8 acres, about 210,000ft².

[32:38] And again, as Corey mentioned, we believe that the current

[32:40] access points and general site circulation flow are very

[32:44] conducive to this new proposed use As mentioned,

[32:47] we are intending to close the north West access point finally,

[32:53] as a survey also indicates, the site contains one single

[32:56] building of approximately 59,000ft² and three and three

[33:01] parking stalls There goes from a landscape planning standpoint we

[33:11] propose to increase the landscape areas and and the open

[33:15] space and essentially reduce the parking count to 250 stalls.

[33:20] We believe that this count does adequately meet the city parking

[33:23] requirements of one space for every four seats

[33:26] in the sanctuary.

[33:27] And again, right now, church is targeting a 1000 seat capacity.

[33:32] So the 250 stalls do meet the city code

[33:36] And then, of note is the large green space to the northeast

[33:40] A new notable playground right really

[33:43] at the front door of the building from an open space

[33:49] planning standpoint, as we mentioned,

[33:51] the additional landscape areas to be added, which we believe

[33:56] are again, going to slightly exceed the 20% open space

[33:59] requirements.

[34:01] And again, we will actually be more

[34:02] than doubling the current open space just under ten, 10.9%.

[34:08] Currently, additional Lee We are well below the parking max

[34:12] coverage of 40% as we are just barely at 22

[34:21] As we move into the floor plan diagram

[34:24] terms as you'll well be aware, the site

[34:27] falls from west to east.

[34:29] And it does provide a very nice grid

[34:32] condition here on the east side of the project.

[34:34] Looking at the lower level, we do intend to remove the existing

[34:38] dark That existing dock was never

[34:41] part of the original construction

[34:43] and does not fit aesthetically in ten.

[34:45] Instead, we intend to replace it with a staff entrance

[34:49] and you'll see in our elevations is a nice addition of glazing

[34:53] in its place The main floor of the building

[35:01] is really the reactivation of the of this main floor

[35:04] to both enhance security and community We're locating

[35:09] the sanctuary right in the heart of the floor plate

[35:13] allowing classrooms along the east side

[35:16] to the administrative space and counseling space in the read up

[35:21] along the north and west.

[35:23] And again the coffee shop in the lower left which

[35:27] would be that southwest corner as the roof plan indicates,

[35:36] we do intend to maintain the existing building.

[35:39] The roof plan is showing new and replaced mechanical screens

[35:43] around all existing equipment as part of our commitment

[35:50] to high quality, aesthetic we propose new windows

[35:54] along the north facade and a substantial amount

[35:58] of glazing storefront glazing So wide open stretches of glass

[36:02] along that western facade And again, to allow the building

[36:06] to just be more approachable and more outward

[36:09] facing as we move around to the south facade

[36:14] again, much like we were doing on the north,

[36:16] we proposed to refinish the existing

[36:18] herringbone wood accent, which wraps around the east facade

[36:22] as well,

[36:23] and the lower image shows the east facade with new windows

[36:27] and that new storefront added for the staff entrance

[36:33] for a materials standpoint, we work very closely with staff as

[36:37] well as the Dtcc See HCC to propose and maintain

[36:41] the existing terracotta roof elements

[36:43] and essentially repaint much of the remaining existing exterior

[36:48] We do plan to bring all signage in to conform

[36:51] since with the current code and look forward to working

[36:54] with staff and the Dtsc SEC to finalize exterior

[36:58] signage Finally, as these renderings show, we do intend

[37:06] to breathe new life into this old landmark repositioning it

[37:11] as a vibrant community resource We're really pleased to present

[37:15] this project,

[37:16] which we believe meets the intent of the comprehensive plan

[37:19] for Greenwood Village And finally, we

[37:21] want to emphasize that we are requesting zero

[37:24] variances and zero exceptions.

[37:28] We do look forward to working very closely with Greenwood

[37:30] Village to help revitalize this very

[37:33] special place within the city.

[37:36] And again, we thank you.

[37:38] And thank staff and we would love to answer questions

[37:45] as any member of Mr. Wiesner Yes, I email staff and copies

[37:54] city Council on some questions.

[37:56] I have.

[37:58] And of course i've got some more of that.

[38:01] Appreciate it.

[38:02] So reflecting back on one of the other suppers

[38:04] that we had to approve that was in the neighborhood zoning

[38:08] and it was a church.

[38:09] And then we put a school in there and our commercial retail

[38:13] to a church and I want to understand in that context

[38:18] a couple of things.

[38:19] One is on the ACP that we approve for the school,

[38:23] we are very descriptive in things

[38:26] that could and could not be done such as hours of operation.

[38:31] And when the lights had to go off externals sound

[38:35] whether they could rent the facility or not

[38:39] I don't know if those items need to be on this shop

[38:45] or because it's in a different zoning district.

[38:48] They don't need to be on.

[38:50] It's My first question Please state your name

[38:56] and my name is Derek steward.

[38:59] So for planning manager 6060 South Quebec Street,

[39:02] Greenwood Village 0111.

[39:04] Thanks for there to tell the truth, I do.

[39:06] I do I swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

[39:09] Thank you for the question, Councilmember Wiesner City

[39:14] Council can put conditions on unless you

[39:17] p that would be a condition that you would put on this plan.

[39:21] That would be recorded.

[39:22] I think there's a nuance here about the s u p

[39:27] that you mentioned before in this one.

[39:29] It's context within a neighborhood versus the context

[39:32] here where it's in more of a commercial corridor

[39:37] There was concerns on that prior case where there was

[39:41] operational hours That was a concern of the neighborhood

[39:44] the concern of council, and that was

[39:46] put as a condition on the use council

[39:50] does have the authority to condition approval

[39:54] and that would be put on the plans

[39:57] for the it's an SDB and s u p if council deems

[40:02] those necessary that are sure discretion

[40:05] If we don't put them on there it would just

[40:09] go under the guidelines of what the zoning is

[40:13] for that area versus, let's say again,

[40:16] going back to the other ACP,

[40:18] you're in a residence neighborhood.

[40:19] So in terms of lighting, noise and all that,

[40:22] it's a lot stricter.

[40:23] So does that So the reason we put those on that issue

[40:28] is because we needed to be stricter because

[40:30] of the residential zoning So do you see that as an issue

[40:34] with this ACP We do not OK.

[40:39] And that's because the commercial zoning

[40:41] is a more I guess, open to active

[40:47] cities that have more traffic hours or sound lighting,

[40:52] etc. that a fair enough.

[40:55] That's completely fair.

[40:56] Councilmember that I think Mr. Holcombe has something

[41:00] he wanted to add to that.

[41:02] Mr. Holcombe, would you introduce yourself, please?

[41:04] Sure, Derek.

[41:05] I'll come.

[41:05] Community development Director.

[41:07] I agree.

[41:07] Is there an address, please?

[41:10] And Sure.

[41:11] Never done this 60 60 South Quebec Street.

[41:13] I do for him to tell the truth, the whole truth,

[41:15] and nothing but the truth.

[41:16] Thank you.

[41:16] You.

[41:17] Well, make sure you remember the address Yes, sir

[41:20] And as your director of community development,

[41:22] I would not recommend placing conditions on this plan

[41:25] because I don't think it's necessary.

[41:27] I think it would be onerous to enforce.

[41:29] And given the context, I don't believe that it's

[41:33] going to add any value.

[41:34] We do have standards in our code for lighting noise, access,

[41:38] traffic They've all been reviewed as part

[41:40] of this proposal It's a lot different context than Aspen

[41:43] Academy where I think it was appropriate

[41:46] but I just don't foresee it, adding

[41:49] any protections to the city.

[41:51] We don't already have in the municipal code.

[41:53] So I would not suggest it from a resource standpoint

[41:56] to have staff out there counting cars and hours of operation

[42:00] and then I'm I'm not done yet.

[42:02] And so then on other activity is right.

[42:09] So you know, we understand the whole church point,

[42:12] but we're going to have a coffee shop

[42:15] maybe some religious classes, other classes I heard

[42:19] maybe some shared workspace.

[42:20] Is that all allowed under the current zoning

[42:24] and would be allowed under this aCP?

[42:27] Yes What you're describing in the coffee

[42:30] shop and other activities are allowed per the zoning.

[42:34] And so they could go ahead and do that, okay?

[42:37] Yes, sir.

[42:38] So in other words, just because you have an S u

[42:41] P doesn't mean you still can't follow

[42:43] all of the other allowable activities

[42:46] under the zoning Correct?

[42:49] OK.

[42:50] I mean, look one more time, make sure I got everything.

[42:55] And i bought my First cowboy stuff at shop last.

[43:00] But the One condition.

[43:01] I would put on aCP would be to rip down the shepherd sign.

[43:06] I'm assuming that's something we can put on as a condition You

[43:10] condition that I would defer to the applicant on their intent

[43:14] for the sign I want it.

[43:17] So do I. You can his or Oakland.

[43:21] I'll recognize you if you I'm fine.

[43:23] I'm done.

[43:24] OK Ms..

[43:28] Nelson I wonder if statement and two quick questions.

[43:32] It's my understand knowing that there are zero waivers needed.

[43:36] And there's zero exceptions asked for.

[43:40] So it falls within the ACP permissions

[43:46] for that particular zoning district.

[43:48] Correct ?

[43:50] 100% correct.

[43:51] OK I would like to clarify the issue.

[43:55] P is for the use Sorry, where all the exceptions are.

[43:58] But otherwise, that's a fair description.

[44:01] OK So they didn't they weren't they were just coming to tell

[44:04] us what they're going to do.

[44:06] They haven't asked us to make an exception or a variance Okay.

[44:10] Then i noted you're putting a playground in front.

[44:16] Would that be something The neighborhood kids,

[44:19] your apartment, kids could use?

[44:21] Because like, when we put a basement academy that playground

[44:24] for security reasons was cordoned off with this

[44:28] be accessible to people walking right

[44:31] now it is not intended to be okay for same security reasons.

[44:35] Okay.

[44:36] And then what is we've had some issues with businesses running

[44:43] counseling services or the people that are offering

[44:46] counseling Is it a one on one religious counseling

[44:52] Is it mental health counselor bullying?

[44:55] Is it what type of what do you see

[44:58] is Yeah, it's biblical counseling Okay.

[45:00] Counselors are certified as biblical counselors

[45:03] by the Association of Certified Okay.

[45:06] And we're insured for all of that.

[45:08] And have all the proper people.

[45:09] Okay.

[45:10] I was just you know, I didn't know what type you know,

[45:12] drug counts.

[45:13] You never know what form counseling is going to take

[45:16] And that's permitted with this as you paid.

[45:18] Correct.

[45:19] OK.

[45:19] That's all I have.

[45:21] Ms. Johnston, You have parking and traffic.

[45:25] Just some clarification.

[45:27] So I guess in our code we allow one spot for parishioners

[45:32] or and that's like our church code

[45:35] or is it something more standard than that Yeah, that's

[45:41] what our code requires is one one

[45:44] parking space per four seats at worship for religious uses Okay.

[45:48] And then on certain holidays, I know that some churches get

[45:53] overflow So I wondered if that had been accounted

[45:57] for in your place and i think some of those roads

[46:01] could be worked on, but I'm not sure

[46:03] So it's an open ended question for anyone

[46:05] to answer My advice we would defer to the applicant

[46:10] on their intent and plans.

[46:12] I think you have some other.

[46:13] Yes, we've been doing holidays, you

[46:15] know, Easter and Christmas specific week

[46:17] for a very long time.

[46:18] We usually run multiple extra services because of that.

[46:23] So we're not just having usually our only our regular services

[46:28] for Christmas Eve.

[46:28] We may run three for five different services to ensure

[46:32] that people can get a seat and that

[46:33] there is a parking spot if Mr..

[46:40] Doyle Yeah.

[46:41] Thank you.

[46:42] I have several questions and I'd like to mostly follow up

[46:48] on the signage question So the Scheffler sign

[46:53] is by quite historic, but it's also quite large

[46:58] Is the plan to keep it as it is, or is there a plan for the sign

[47:07] Can I speak to that?

[47:08] Of course our desire would be to keep it

[47:11] but as it is, we realize that we would not be able to make it

[47:14] Grace Chapel or something We think there's a historic value

[47:18] It's been there since 1977.

[47:20] It's notable People know it.

[47:22] People love it We like to keep we like to maintain it.

[47:26] We'd like to upkeep it.

[47:27] We'd like to kind of revitalize it, if you will.

[47:30] We've even talked about some kind of historic plaque

[47:32] that would be at the bottom of it that says this was

[47:34] established when the first Templars was placed

[47:38] in this property in 1977, something like that That

[47:41] would be our preference.

[47:43] It's not something that we must have.

[47:45] Right.

[47:45] It doesn't have our name on it.

[47:47] So we're doing it for the sake of keeping

[47:49] something that we think is a landmark in green village.

[47:53] Okay.

[47:55] With the sign itself, if it were been part of this proposal

[47:59] to be built and grow it village, would it

[48:02] be acceptable under our codes today Technically,

[48:07] it's considered legally nonconforming at the moment.

[48:10] And because as it has not been actively or continuously used

[48:14] for a period of over Six years or six months,

[48:17] it we could consider it abandoned and maintenance would

[48:20] not be kind of they would not have a right

[48:23] to maintain it after that.

[48:24] Six months of abandonment.

[48:27] So if if I make sure it's legally nonconforming,

[48:33] I'm sorry, it's not per code.

[48:36] does that mean.

[48:37] It will have to come down?

[48:40] Unless unless unless we want to keep it

[48:43] there are there if the council wants to keep the sign,

[48:46] I would say just let us know.

[48:48] You want to keep the sign and we'll put a condition on that.

[48:51] The sign stays and that it be maintained I would not recommend

[48:54] you keep it and let it just continue to deteriorate It would

[48:57] be condition that it be maintained

[48:58] in its current condition or better Right?

[49:01] Okay I notice that the public neighborhood meeting,

[49:06] there was some question about the sign

[49:10] didn't it wasn't specific.

[49:12] They didn't say whether they wanted or didn't

[49:14] want to just ask the question.

[49:16] But i'm questioning anybody was there was there

[49:19] a view against or for the sign?

[49:21] You know I can't remember if it was for guess how about

[49:30] signage on the building itself?

[49:32] I noticed the facade of the building

[49:34] really doesn't have any signage So right now it's Scheffler

[49:38] and that's all there is You know,

[49:41] that's kind of what that space is is labeled.

[49:44] How would how is that going to be addressed.

[49:46] Signage while we begin to prepare very preliminary signage

[49:53] at this point we'd like to work with staff

[49:56] and eventually with the DTC, see to finalize signage

[50:01] But outside of this particular process

[50:02] this evening, sir and I can speak to the city's process,

[50:07] the city's process and signs goes through the planning

[50:10] and zoning commission so they could ask for a sign package

[50:14] that would go to planning and zoning

[50:16] It would be their authority to approve it or deny it.

[50:21] Generally speaking staff and applicants

[50:24] like to work together in making sure that there's development,

[50:28] and then there's signage so that, for instance, a quality

[50:32] development doesn't get denied because someone doesn't like

[50:35] the color blue on the sign.

[50:37] So that would be a forthcoming package

[50:40] that would be processed through the city once applied

[50:43] for through planning and zoning.

[50:45] OK Well, I think there's obviously different opinions

[50:49] on council about the Scheffler sign I,

[50:56] I know people that find it very objectionable

[50:58] because it's so large and, you know, whatnot

[51:01] and others that feel it's historic

[51:03] and it's a bi has value in that historic context

[51:09] But the but the reality is it's not it's not pertinent.

[51:13] It.

[51:14] Doesn't it doesn't describe the place.

[51:19] It's it's confusing So I think council should

[51:24] weigh on the sign in my opinion and whether we should keep it

[51:29] or not.

[51:31] I, for one, would not.

[51:33] But I'm not saying there's not value

[51:35] in the historic aspect of it.

[51:37] It's just that I find it to be not appropriate

[51:42] given the use of last question.

[51:46] I was a little confused on the open space requirement.

[51:49] It is the open space requirement 20% or 30%.

[51:53] It is 20%.

[51:54] This 20%.

[51:55] OK.

[51:56] And then I would like to add to if they bring a sign

[51:59] package that can meet code, it wouldn't require

[52:02] a need for a signed variance So they always

[52:05] have the option to propose signage that can just

[52:07] be code Yeah, I understand.

[52:09] For the for other signage other than the Scheffler.

[52:12] Sorry.

[52:12] Yeah, I understand Thank you, George Which two?

[52:17] Welcome to you.

[52:19] Signs go to the planning and zoning Commission

[52:22] and do not come to council Correct

[52:25] clarification on that, Mary.

[52:27] They can choose to meet the standard sign

[52:29] code at which point it would be administrative.

[52:30] It's only if they choose to deviate

[52:32] above and beyond the sign code, they

[52:33] would have to go to the planning and zoning commission.

[52:36] Our goal is always to work to get them to just

[52:37] follow the sign code, correct?

[52:40] Mr. Schneiderman forms just one thing

[52:43] I follow up on that So if nothing is done,

[52:49] regards the Scheffler sign it will

[52:51] have to come down because it will be nonconforming.

[52:55] Is that correct?

[52:57] Yes The grace chapel could come before our planning and zoning

[53:05] with a proposal to keep the scheffler sign

[53:08] and planning and zoning would approve that or not.

[53:12] And that wouldn't come to council Yeah.

[53:18] Councilmember or I think if you make it a condition

[53:20] that the sign must remain will confer with city attorney

[53:23] on whether planning and zoning also needs to weigh in

[53:25] or if that's sufficient to leave the sign in place I think Mr.

[53:30] Doyle's asking the reverse of that I'm asking is,

[53:34] do we if we don't do anything, do

[53:36] we lose control over whether that's the sign is there or not?

[53:39] We are we abdicating that responsibility if we don't act

[53:46] if you don't act once the building changes hands

[53:49] and it's no longer applicable as Scheffler Blue Barn per the code

[53:54] after a period of six months of abandonment,

[53:56] it would have to be removed clarify this six

[54:00] months of abandonment please.

[54:05] I think right now you can make a loose interpretation.

[54:07] It's being used for directional purposes for Boot Barn.

[54:10] They're in the Scheffler building

[54:12] Once it's no longer these owners building,

[54:14] it's no longer applicable to the site.

[54:16] And for the code it would be no longer allowed.

[54:19] After six months, after six months, Mr. Jackson, John

[54:25] Jackson, city manager 6060 South back

[54:28] We did this and invoked this same exact policy with

[54:32] the theater sign on Arapahoe.

[54:33] Appreciate it.

[54:34] Was considered abandoned.

[54:36] And we made the owner, property owner take it down.

[54:38] We could do the exact same thing here

[54:40] I think this really boils down to what

[54:43] you would like to see happen more than what we can do.

[54:47] The let's take the other example the Penders true sign.

[54:51] That was a sign that I'm talking to It was

[54:53] right there There were to sign.

[54:57] Okay Mr. Snyderman, thank you.

[55:03] Thank you, Mayor Just a couple of questions.

[55:05] I think directed towards the pastor Just out of curiosity,

[55:09] your congregation and from what parts of the metro area

[55:13] do they typically hail That's a great question.

[55:17] Councilmember.

[55:17] We have mostly all South Denver.

[55:20] We have a few that are just in Green Village and north,

[55:24] but not much north of here Most is south

[55:27] and I would say evenly spread east to west.

[55:30] So we were founded in West in Littleton

[55:34] and then we have people that now live in Parker

[55:38] out East or Aurora.

[55:40] So we're pretty spread on either side of the 25 corridor.

[55:44] But South kind of here, maybe even all

[55:47] the way towards Castle Rock.

[55:48] Okay, great.

[55:49] Another question for you.

[55:51] What type of secure city do you typically have?

[55:54] Both on a typical Sunday during the holidays,

[55:57] you have your own security team.

[55:58] Do you hire out Yeah, it's a wonderful question

[56:02] and very important to us.

[56:02] We have a world class security team.

[56:05] They've been trained by ministry and an outfitter

[56:10] called Able Shepherd.

[56:11] Everyone goes through that.

[56:12] We have them broken into four different teams.

[56:14] But there are assigned.

[56:15] We have assigned posts we have security

[56:18] cameras all over the campus.

[56:19] And our security team at any given time

[56:22] is watching every single door every place,

[56:25] every suspicious activity.

[56:26] We also pay for Douglas County to be present on campus

[56:30] with a car and an armed police officer.

[56:34] We would plan to do the same thing.

[56:35] Obviously with Greenwood Village.

[56:37] OK, wonderful And then just a final question.

[56:39] I think this is directed more towards staff

[56:42] And I'll preface this by saying that I'm in favor of the church.

[56:46] I'm just curious if we have a dollar figure of loss of tax

[56:50] revenue for the boot barn leaving this becoming basically

[56:54] counselor my recommendation is that that staff not answer

[56:58] that question as it's not pertinent to the criteria for

[57:01] the applications before you.

[57:02] Thank you.

[57:03] Thanks.

[57:05] Miss Johnston I just want to say I the sign is historical

[57:09] and so i would hope that council would allow them to keep it

[57:14] And I would vote in favor of that if they don't abide by it

[57:21] or or, you know maybe something else

[57:25] could be done so that it's not standing in the middle of I-25,

[57:30] but maybe lower with a marker or something.

[57:32] But we can't lose that Yeah.

[57:34] Thank you.

[57:35] I'm not sure it's allowed in your zoning district

[57:37] for your house inside mission Also,

[57:43] I personally don't think the sign should set should stay,

[57:47] but I would propose like a citywide wide auction.

[57:51] I mean that's a serious right.

[57:55] And you could put that money towards funding all sorts

[57:59] of other parish ministries I mean,

[58:02] you're going to have a line out the door

[58:03] starting with Donna and Libby.

[58:06] You know to put bids on that side.

[58:08] I think it doesn't suit what you're

[58:11] trying to do with the site and in fact, might

[58:15] cause some confusion agenda.

[58:18] People that are trying to locate you or whatever.

[58:21] But what a great Welcome to the community.

[58:24] Common options on the side.

[58:26] You could break it down into several.

[58:27] I was just looking Add it.

[58:29] You got the big shuttlers thing.

[58:31] And then you got the little these with the bullhorns on it

[58:34] You could break that apart and make billions of dollars

[58:37] off pay for your rented.

[58:40] So I'm just saying i don't think that preserve HOA would

[58:43] allow I do have a serious question

[58:46] for you concerning the parking.

[58:48] Could you help me understand that maybe it's

[58:51] staff Two is your thousand parishioners plus staff

[58:56] and for per unit, which c per person or would seem

[59:03] i don't know whether you get an average

[59:05] of four people plus driving together

[59:08] to attend to your services.

[59:10] It's a fair question.

[59:12] Obviously we would make sure that we make

[59:14] arrangements for staff parking.

[59:15] We've already done that in some of the plans

[59:17] on the back sides of the building,

[59:19] giving them premier spots to those who visit.

[59:21] We do have a lot of families in my family.

[59:24] I have six kids, so there's a lot of kids in our car

[59:27] So you have to think of it that way as well.

[59:30] How families come to church together

[59:33] We would work towards a parking agreement

[59:36] with both of the businesses to the north and to the south.

[59:39] We know that those businesses are not used on the weekends,

[59:43] and so we like to have some kind of parking agreement.

[59:45] There is a stair kind of forced stair way

[59:49] that goes to the building your health

[59:52] or even health to the south.

[59:55] And so we'd love to make use of that stairway

[59:57] and work with them first for parking on Sundays.

[1:00:00] Good at that.

[1:00:01] We don't need more parking there.

[1:00:03] There's no doubt.

[1:00:04] But that would be great if you could do that,

[1:00:06] because I can see you needing if you have

[1:00:10] a full house, if you would say, yeah, you

[1:00:13] could need additional parking.

[1:00:14] Absolutely.

[1:00:14] And we would to that point, we would work very hard to make

[1:00:18] sure there's no street parking.

[1:00:19] There would.

[1:00:20] But we're going to stop that neighborhood Thank you.

[1:00:24] Any other questions from council Oh Mr. Doyle, I just

[1:00:30] have a procedural question.

[1:00:32] George, I If we wanted to pass a resolution or whatever it is

[1:00:39] on the sign, do we do that before we act on the application

[1:00:44] or after or when Mr..

[1:00:50] Come here.

[1:00:55] I would, yeah.

[1:00:55] I've conferred with the city attorney in our huddle room

[1:00:57] back here and I would say I would take action on the sub

[1:01:01] first to authorize the use.

[1:01:03] Then when you take a vote on the site development plan,

[1:01:05] you would take a motion on the condition in our motion

[1:01:09] for approval on the condition that the existing sign be

[1:01:13] maintained at current or better condition

[1:01:18] for purposes of historic significance.

[1:01:21] Because the code does not technically define abandonment

[1:01:23] So if you give it a purpose for historical significance, that

[1:01:26] would be a way around the abandonment

[1:01:28] clause in the same code And we've confirmed,

[1:01:31] we believe that would be sufficient without having to go

[1:01:32] back through planning and Zoning commission for a variance

[1:01:35] and would run with the land Okay May I speak to other sign?

[1:01:43] Would that be Certainly I just I'll give one case, you know,

[1:01:47] as an almost native born on an Air Force base.

[1:01:49] But I've been here my whole life.

[1:01:50] My wife also a native, it's the number One question we've

[1:01:54] had over the last 13 months as we pursue this property,

[1:01:57] will the signs stay even old in a multi person meeting

[1:02:00] in our church about this property

[1:02:03] The overwhelming majority are saying, Please keep the sign.

[1:02:07] I I understand it says shiftless settlers went out of business.

[1:02:12] I believe in in 1999.

[1:02:14] Appreciate it.

[1:02:14] Hasn't been in business.

[1:02:16] Now you could make a case that viewpoint is closely related

[1:02:19] to what settlers was, but who really

[1:02:21] knows where settlers was ? except

[1:02:23] there's a ball on the sign.

[1:02:25] Those that are going to boot barn today

[1:02:27] may not even understand what settlers was

[1:02:29] It's not in business anymore.

[1:02:31] It's a historic cattle company.

[1:02:32] They bought that building put it there and put that sign up.

[1:02:35] I think it is significant.

[1:02:37] People do use it as a landmark for orientation

[1:02:40] around Greenwood Village And yes, well, we're not

[1:02:42] selling boots and cowboy hats.

[1:02:44] We'd be the shirt, the church that meets at the shelter site.

[1:02:47] I do think it'd be a point of orientation

[1:02:49] for us People know it even as people have been hearing

[1:02:53] about our new pursuit of a building

[1:02:55] They said, Well, so where is it.

[1:02:56] Is in Greenwood Village.

[1:02:57] Do you know where the super sign is Yeah, it's right there.

[1:02:59] It's that Alamo looking thing that we're going to make better,

[1:03:02] right I tell them that.

[1:03:04] But they know where the sign is.

[1:03:05] If you were to make a condition, I

[1:03:07] guess my request would be to allow us to keep the sign,

[1:03:09] to maintain the sign to upkeep.

[1:03:11] The sign has had no love It needs reworking,

[1:03:13] and needs repaint We take it back to its historic condition.

[1:03:17] Give us a period of time to maintain it and and allow

[1:03:21] that to go on for a while.

[1:03:22] And if it doesn't meet your standards,

[1:03:24] I'm not going down the hill for the sign

[1:03:26] I'm more care about people.

[1:03:27] I don't care about a sign.

[1:03:28] But I think the sign is important to the people.

[1:03:31] And that's why I want to make the case to keep the sign Thank

[1:03:34] you for that feedback The there are no further questions

[1:03:40] and i will now call on all those who have indicated their desire

[1:03:44] to be heard concerning the matter remind each individual

[1:03:47] that they must first give their name

[1:03:49] and address and be sworn in before testifying We've heard

[1:03:54] from most people on this list is there are people out who are

[1:04:01] in the audience who wish to come and testify

[1:04:10] I don't see anyone in Is there a motion

[1:04:14] to close the public hearing?

[1:04:16] So moved I'll second.

[1:04:19] All those in favor Please say I. I those opposed

[1:04:23] nay The motion passes the public hearing is now closed.

[1:04:28] I will now entertain a motion for case

[1:04:30] number Z days 26 days 00017.

[1:04:35] The special use permit for 8500 East Orchard Road.

[1:04:38] So that we may begin deliberations on this matter

[1:04:45] Mr. Schneiderman may I ask you.

[1:04:47] Yes.

[1:04:48] Mr. Mayor, I moved.

[1:04:49] I'm sorry.

[1:04:49] I'm having trouble navigating between my phone

[1:04:52] and my I'm sorry.

[1:04:54] I'm barely able to switch between teams.

[1:04:56] So if Mr. Schneiderman could do it.

[1:04:58] I'm so sorry No problem.

[1:05:01] I move to approve case number z.

[1:05:03] DoorDash 20 6-00017.

[1:05:06] Special use permit 8500 East Orchard Road.

[1:05:08] Grace Chapel, as outlined in the staff report Is there a second?

[1:05:12] Second John?

[1:05:13] Second vertical.

[1:05:15] Thank you Ms. Johnston Any discussion And Deputy city

[1:05:24] Clerk, would you please call the vote Councilmember Schneiderman.

[1:05:30] Yes.

[1:05:30] Councilmember Johnston Yes.

[1:05:32] Mayor Pro Tem.

[1:05:33] Barnicle yes.

[1:05:36] Councilmember.

[1:05:37] Mr. Councilmember for Wisner.

[1:05:42] Yes.

[1:05:43] Councilmember Stall Yes.

[1:05:47] Councilman Dale.

[1:05:48] Yes.

[1:05:49] Councilmember Nelson.

[1:05:50] Yes The motion passes with a majority vote

[1:05:53] Thank you very much Council.

[1:05:57] Now, consider case number three, DoorDash 20 6-000 26.

[1:06:01] The site Development Plan for 8500 each.

[1:06:04] Orchard Road.

[1:06:05] May I have a motion.

[1:06:06] So we can begin deliberation?

[1:06:08] Ms..

[1:06:09] Johnston yes, with a question.

[1:06:12] Is this where I could have a condition

[1:06:15] or do you do that later?

[1:06:18] Do I do that later?

[1:06:19] And I believe staff has a recommendation

[1:06:21] for that language.

[1:06:22] When you get to that point.

[1:06:24] Okay So I move to approve comes Okay I move to approve case

[1:06:33] number 26 00026 site development plan 8500 East Orchard Road

[1:06:40] Grace chapel with a condition that the existing shoppers

[1:06:45] freestanding sign be maintained in the current location

[1:06:49] and kept in as good or better condition

[1:06:51] as it exists today Yeah.

[1:06:54] Second barnacle exclamation point.

[1:06:57] Thank you.

[1:06:58] You.

[1:07:00] Discuss ocean that's Nelson be okay with the site plan

[1:07:06] as is without the condition I don't I I don't feel

[1:07:13] a need to keep the side mr. Wizner saying I

[1:07:21] think I should sell it.

[1:07:23] And once that sign's gone no one is going to care.

[1:07:26] Six months from now No, not it's an eyesore It does not fit in

[1:07:31] with the city I wouldn't get rid of it,

[1:07:33] so I would go with the super submitted.

[1:07:39] Have you number three are nostalgia, Mr. Barnacle,

[1:07:43] let me call on you.

[1:07:44] Please Go ahead I just did have, you know,

[1:07:49] Mercier Del Jim, Mr. Wiesner mean growing up here in District

[1:07:54] three, this is important I think the applicant applicant actually

[1:07:57] made a very moving suggestion.

[1:08:00] Keep the sign It's not directional It is nostalgic

[1:08:04] and it's part of the heart of District three.

[1:08:06] So I'm in support of the conditional amendment

[1:08:11] as proposed by councilmember Johnston and Mr. Schneiderman I,

[1:08:21] I have to say I've also lived here.

[1:08:23] Basically, my entire life I love the sign.

[1:08:28] I'd like to keep it.

[1:08:29] I'm happy with the with the amendment to the to the SUV Mr..

[1:08:37] Mr..

[1:08:37] Doyle yeah.

[1:08:39] I've made my position known and i, absolutely.

[1:08:42] I think I agree with what's been said about not keeping the sign.

[1:08:47] I realize that there's a value, but I think it will have.

[1:08:52] I think it served its purpose.

[1:08:54] So the question is that the the motion is to add that conditions

[1:09:02] So if we don't want the sign, we vote

[1:09:04] no for the approval of the ACP.

[1:09:08] That's correct And we can have a Second as a second.

[1:09:14] That would take it out of So in other words,

[1:09:18] if we don't approve this with the sign included, then Ms..

[1:09:25] Johnston or someone else could vote for approval

[1:09:29] and without the sign being there as Tom

[1:09:34] said on the line, Yes Mr. Stall, do you have an a an opinion

[1:09:44] You know, I completely want.

[1:09:49] I could go either way on it.

[1:09:51] I you know, I first came to Denver and in the 70s.

[1:09:57] And I remember the sign being there, it's nostalgic,

[1:10:01] but I could also see it being removed

[1:10:04] But I at the end of the day, it's not in my district

[1:10:09] and i would side with the council

[1:10:15] people in District three.

[1:10:17] All right So by my count, that means

[1:10:20] there are four people in favor of keeping the sign

[1:10:25] and three people who are would just

[1:10:27] soon see the sign removed So are there is there any other.

[1:10:36] I'm sorry, Mr. Stall.

[1:10:37] You wish to add something?

[1:10:39] Yeah.

[1:10:40] OK.

[1:10:41] Katrina online.

[1:10:42] Has she weighed in or is she able to speak?

[1:10:46] She's not online.

[1:10:48] She's online Oh, right.

[1:10:49] OK.

[1:10:50] I'm sorry.

[1:10:51] I'm sorry Ms..

[1:10:53] Metzger.

[1:10:53] I'm sorry.

[1:10:54] I didn't realize you joined us I'm not showing her as muted I.

[1:11:18] I don't believe she's available So with that in mind,

[1:11:24] we have 4, 2, three in favor of keeping

[1:11:30] this sign With that in mind, of would you please call the vote?

[1:11:38] And this So the vote is clear.

[1:11:41] Voting in favor votes for votes for the passing

[1:11:49] and keeping the sign a vote against means,

[1:11:54] you know, not keeping not approving anything.

[1:11:57] Basically is what a no vote means.

[1:11:59] Right.

[1:12:00] So that those are the conditions And I

[1:12:04] it seems to me that in general, people are in favor of this.

[1:12:08] And the sign is the question.

[1:12:10] So Mr. Mayor.

[1:12:12] Yes.

[1:12:13] Yes.

[1:12:13] Clarify what you just said So you're

[1:12:15] saying that if people vote no, they're

[1:12:17] also voting no to the Super?

[1:12:19] That is correct.

[1:12:20] They the clarification that Mr. Mayor, that just

[1:12:24] means that the motion fails and a new motion

[1:12:26] would have to be made.

[1:12:27] That's exactly right Yes.

[1:12:30] Without the sign.

[1:12:32] Well, you're also voting down the.

[1:12:34] Yes, you pay no, you're voting that.

[1:12:37] You there could be you would you would be voting down.

[1:12:41] Scuse me, Mayor, you would be voting

[1:12:42] down this particular motion.

[1:12:43] If you voted no.

[1:12:45] And that vote carried no you would say,

[1:12:47] okay, the motion to approve this permit with the condition fails.

[1:12:52] However, the floor would still be

[1:12:54] open for a motion to approve it without the condition

[1:12:57] pertaining to the sign.

[1:12:58] And that, I believe, is what staff would recommend that you

[1:13:01] follow per their recommendation and the staff report

[1:13:05] to make sure that the permit is not an address at all.

[1:13:09] I Mr. Mayor, then why did we add a condition?

[1:13:13] I thought we were going to negotiate that separately I'm

[1:13:16] just confused.

[1:13:17] The condition is a proposal to vote on But if it votes down,

[1:13:22] you may still vote too on the actual underly permit

[1:13:27] without the condition.

[1:13:28] And you say to close the application before you.

[1:13:32] Yes, thank you It's a clear as mud It's clear.

[1:13:39] So, Madam Clerk, would you please call the vote?

[1:13:44] Councilmember johnston.

[1:13:45] Yes Mayor Pro Tem Barnicle Yes Councilmember Schneiderman Yes.

[1:13:54] Councilmember Metzger Councilmember Wiesner.

[1:14:00] Oh Councilmember stall.

[1:14:06] Yes Councilmember Doyle No.

[1:14:11] Councilmember Nelson.

[1:14:12] Oh, no The motion passes with four.

[1:14:16] Affirmative votes.

[1:14:17] I'd you have Now that approval.

[1:14:21] I don't think any of the council members

[1:14:23] are anything but excited about having you here.

[1:14:27] The signage, the what was in question I understand.

[1:14:30] I understand Thank you very well.

[1:14:35] If you would, please tell us about the timing

[1:14:38] that you anticipate.

[1:14:39] Yes Congressman, we look forward to joining

[1:14:42] your city, hopefully in 2028.

[1:14:46] So group on is leasing that building until June 30th of next

[1:14:50] year And then should all of the permitting and process

[1:14:54] go well on the next steps?

[1:14:55] We would love to start construction after they are out,

[1:14:58] which is June 30th of 2027.

[1:15:00] And then it will take us about a year to 14 months

[1:15:03] to be able to make this all that we've promised it would be.

[1:15:07] So for, let's say, loosely fall of 2028,

[1:15:11] Chapel will call Greenwood Village

[1:15:12] home Well, thank you very much.

[1:15:15] Appreciate it.

[1:15:15] And welcome to the community.

[1:15:17] Thank you.

[1:15:17] You.

[1:15:17] Congratulations.

[1:15:18] Thank you.

[1:15:19] Thank you.

[1:15:20] Thank you.

[1:15:21] Council Moving on to reports of officers, boards and committees,

[1:15:28] are there any reports to be shared

[1:15:32] when to come visit That's what.

[1:15:36] Thank you, sir.

[1:15:37] Appreciate it.

[1:15:38] Thank you, Mr. And good luck to you

[1:15:47] 30 reports that people would like to share Mr. Jackson,

[1:15:56] do you have none tonight, sir Then may

[1:16:02] I have a motion to adjourn So move.

[1:16:05] Second.

[1:16:05] Desertion Thank you.

[1:16:07] All those in favor please say.

[1:16:09] Please say I Those opposed.

[1:16:11] Nay.

[1:16:13] The motion passes.

[1:16:14] We will move to the community room for the study

[1:16:16] session Mr. Mayor.

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